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Key Points from "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

Season 2, Episode 1
Episode Air Date: 09/21/05

Point 1

Holy ... crap.

Ladies and gentlemen, the rabbit hole just got deeper. Season two of "Lost" kicked off hard: The hatch is open, the castaways are scared out of their minds, and we found out just how important those backstories really are.

So let's get to it.

We begin where season one ended: the hatch. As you'll recall, the first season finale, "Exodus, Part 2," concluded with Locke and Jack peering deep into the freshly-cracked hatch. The camera went down and down and down and revealed ... absolutely nothing.

But revelations are afoot in season two. The episode begins with a shot of an eyeball (sound familiar? It should, the "Pilot" opened with the same shot). It's an unknown eyeball, one that doesn't belong to any of the characters we've met thus far. But we don't immediately see much beyond this eyeball, for the man it belongs to remains unidentified for the majority of this opening sequence. However, we do learn that the man with the eyeball has the following things:

  1. An almost mullet
  2. A strong physique (he's shown riding on a circa-1970 exercise bike and doing old-school pull-ups).

  3. A swingin' bachelor's pad outfitted with late-'60s, early-'70s decor, including a lava lamp and a record player.

  4. A strict morning regime that involves keying in commands on an antiquated monochrome computer (geek!) and feasting on blended breakfast concoctions chock full of fruit and fiber.
  5. An ample supply of some sort of liquid medicine, which the man injects into his bicep with a needle gun (Jason Giambi? What are you doing here?). Sounds like a lame opening backstory sequence, right?

    Nope. Not at all. And there's a reason: It's not a backstory.

    As the man plods through his morning, a deep rumble shakes the foundation of his home. The man springs to action, jumping into a jumpsuit (which seems appropriate), strapping on hiking boots and fiddling with a variety of switches and knobs. The lights go out and the man races into a nearby hallway where he fiddles with an intricate optical device. Whizzing and whirring are heard all around as a series of mirrors move into automatic positions. The man (whose face still remains unseen), perches behind a telescopic doo-dad. The camera shot then bounces from mirror to mirror, flitting down a long, dark, industrial-looking hallway. The lights gets dimmer, the walls get grimier and suddenly, a final mirror comes into view. The camera pans back and up ... and up ... and up ... and there, looking down into a deep dark hole are the inquisitive faces of Locke and Jack.

    This sequence reveals one amazing, undeniable thing: Someone is living in the hatch.

    Of course, the castaways don't know about the hatch resident just yet, but file this little tidbit away while we cover other developments. It's going to be stunningly important.

Point 2
Jack Jack's backstory takes up a few segments of this episode, with the majority of the scenes showing a younger Jack (sporting a wig that won't win any costuming Emmy's) as he saves his future wife-to-be, Sara.

We first learned about Sara, and the unusual way she and Jack met, in "Do No Harm." Now we see first-hand how it all came to be. Early in the episode, Sara is wheeled into Jack's hospital following a car accident. Jack has to make an immediate decision between the accident's two victims: save the young pretty girl from "Happy Gilmore" or save the tubby 50-something guy. Yeah, tough call.

Jack stabilizes Sara, but her recovery is in serious doubt because her spine has been smashed into bits. Fortunately, Jack is a Genius Spinal Surgeon! Even better, he's about to have a life-changing realization!

See, at this point in his life, Jack is struggling with the whole "doctor" thing. He's technically proficient, but his bedside manner leaves something to be desired (in an early meeting with Sara he basically tells her there's no chance in hell she'll ever walk again). Jack's Daddy -- the same guy who later botches an operation and dies during a drinking binge in Sydney -- gives Jack some advice: You've got to give people hope, even if you lie.

And so Jack uses his Daddy's advice and tells Sara, moments before he's about to operate on her, that he's going to "fix" her.

But try as he might, Jack can't put Sara back together again. So he goes for a run. Yes, you read that correctly. Following the surgery, Jack tries to kill his angst by running his ass off on the stairs at a nearby stadium. It's late at night and Jack huffs and puffs his way through the seats. A fellow runner suddenly (and oddly) appears nearby and Jack, ever the alpha male, starts to sprint against his rival. But Jack takes a bad step and twists his ankle. The other runner sees Jack fall, so he zips over to check on the felled doctor.

This "other" guy reveals/displays the following:

  • He has what appears to be an Irish accent. He's particularly fond of the word "brother" -- as in "You all right, brother?"

  • He was "almost a doctor once."

  • He claims to be training for "a race around the world."

  • He displays an uncanny ability to read Jack's mind. For example, he correctly ascertains that Jack has somehow hurt/screwed up a relationship with a girl. Jack reveals that he told Sara he could fix her, but he failed.

  • Despite Jack's conclusion, the man asks: "What if you did fix her?" Jack guffaws and says Sara's recovery would be a miracle. "And you don't believe in miracles?" the man asks.

  • Before leaving, the man introduces himself as "Desmond." His closing words: "Good luck brother. See you in another life."

  • Hopefully you've guessed that all of this biographical information on a seemingly inconsequential character will later become Very Important Indeed.
After his completely random and not at all staged meeting with Desmond, Jack returns to the hospital, where he discovers that miracles really do happen. Sara has full feeling in her feet and legs. Jack, without knowing how or why, kept his promise; he fixed her. Sara cries. Jack cries. It's a lovely moment, and it's understandable how that moment eventually turned into misguided wedding vows.
Point 3




Let's backtrack a bit. When we left the castaways at the end of season one, Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley had successfully blown the lid off the hatch. The whole reason for the explosion (and the long and arduous journey preceding the explosion) was to find a safe hiding spot for the castaways. An impending attack by The Others had been predicted by Crazy Danielle Rousseau, so everyone got real jittery and felt the need to concoct a harebrained scheme involving ancient dynamite and a mysterious metal hatch.

Got all that? Good, because it's still relevant.

Opening sequence aside, the beginning of this episode shows that Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley haven't made much progress with Operation: Get in the Hatch. Sure, they opened the thing, but that's the extent of it (unless you count peering into the hatch as progress -- they've done a whole lot of that). Finally, Jack makes an executive decision and orders everyone back to camp. He's determined that the hatch, in its current state, is not a viable hiding solution. Locke disagrees, which is understandable since Locke spent most of season one digging the damn hatch out and trying to crack it open with Medieval weaponry. Locke voices his dissent, but Jack gets that "I'm a doctor" look and Locke wisely curbs his argument. But just as Jack turns to leave, Locke drops this conversation cluster bomb: "Why don't you want to go down there, Jack?"

The scene cuts without an answer. When we return to the hatch party, Jack is scurrying around the blast site, gathering gear for a return to the cave camps. Locke still isn't in a hurry to leave, which means tension is quickly ratcheting up. Jack chooses this moment to bring up the "science vs. faith" debate that first appeared in "Exodus, Part 2." In that episode, Jack and Locke had a brief conversation in which Locke labeled Jack a man of science while he described himself as a man of faith (hence the title of this episode). Locke traced the occasional disagreements between the two to these diametrically opposed outlooks ... and now those clever "Lost" writers are deftly carrying the same motif into season two! Stay tuned.

Fortunately, a full-blown philosophical argument is nipped in the bud by a revelation. Kate takes a gander at the underside of the hatch door and discovers an unfortunate word written in big block letters: "QUARANTINE." Yeah, that can't be good.

With that, the hatch expedition packs their bags and zips back to camp.

The camp is abuzz with anxiety as all assembled wait for the hatch expedition to return (or wait for The Others to rip them all to wee bits). Charlie is trying to convince anyone who will listen that this Others business is a crock of hooey, and he's got a point. In the season one finale, Charlie and Sayid successfully rescued Claire's baby boy (Aaron) from Rousseau by following a thick plume of black smoke wafting from the other side of the island. Initially, Rousseau claimed the smoke was a signal from The Others, but Charlie and Sayid later learned that the crazy french lady was the firestarter. Returning to the present, as Charlie babbles on, Sayid shoots him a disapproving look, suggesting that Charlie might be a little premature with his "all-clear" conclusion.

Alas, the Charlie-Sayid throw-down never comes to pass because the hatch party returns. Jack takes a position in front of the group and tells the quivering masses that the hatch solution is a non-starter. But! He soothes the castaways' nerves by promising that everything will be all right. Seriously. He says "I promise." Odder still, this promise seems to calm everyone down, which really doesn't make sense since the guy making the promise was largely responsible for the failed hatch initiative. That "promise of the hatch" didn't exactly come to pass, now did it?

Nonetheless, Jack's promise sticks, but Locke and Kate don't. During Jack's non-stirring speech, Locke gathers a load of cable and tells everyone he's going back to the hatch. It's a big-ol FU to Jack and everyone sees it. Some time later, away from the crowd, Kate sidles up to Jack and strokes his ego by telling him how important he is to the group and how much he's done for everyone. Just as Jack is feeling pretty good about himself, Kate drops her face into a pout and informs Jack that she's going back to the hatch.

And so Kate and Locke return to the Mystical Breadmaker in the Jungle. Locke, using his Obi-Wan powers ("this is the hatch you're looking for"), convinces Kate to go down first. So she seats herself in Locke's makeshift harness and Locke begins to slowly drop her into the hatch hole. It's a nice controlled drop, but everyone knows that controlled drops make for horrendous television, so a nearby tree starts to bend and the rope/cable suddenly springs loose. Kate screams as gravity takes hold, but Locke quickly grabs the cable and secures the harness before Kate becomes a hatch splot. The descent continues and Kate begins to see that light from below is revealing a rectangular shape at the bottom of the hatch ... and that shape looks an awful lot like a mirror. Just as she's about to make a solid identification, a metal sound rings out and the light cuts. "Stop!" Kate screams. "John! I think there's something down ..." Her voice is cut off as a blazing blast of light shoots out of the hatch hole (it's an awesome visual). Locke peers in and calls out to Kate. The cable shoots out of his hands as something sucks the rope (and, presumably, Kate) deeper into the hatch. Locke falls backwards and the hatch light snaps off.

Around this time, Jack decides that his "staying at the camp" plan is pretty dumb, so he packs a bag and runs back to the hatch. Upon arriving, neither Locke nor Kate is to be found, but a cable is dangling deep into the hole. Jack wraps his hands in cloth, settles into the hatch opening, then drops into the gaping chasm. What ensues is a classic "X-Files" moment. With a flashlight in one hand and a gun in the other, Jack makes his way down an attached hallway. He sees an assortment of industrial pipes and machinery (it looks like Dr. Evil's lair as envisioned by the "Aliens" set designer). A mechanical whirr sounds from a boarded up wall, and as Jack approaches, the key he wears around his neck (it opens the metal gun case) floats up -- something behind that wall is creating a magnetic pull. Wisely, Jack steps back, and that's when the whirring mirrors settle into position. Jack approaches and suddenly music blares from speakers as huge bright lights snap on. Jack ducks back and finds himself in an underground control room. Settled beneath an arching hexagonal structure, Jack sees banks of old computer equipment: reel-to-reel machines, blinking lights, sound monitors and, in the middle of the room, a monochrome computer with a single green cursor blinking in the corner of the screen. It's the same computer (or same "type" of computer) seen in the opening sequence. Jack holds out a finger to press a key on the keyboard, but then the music scratches off and a voice warns "I wouldn't do that." Jack looks up to see Locke standing at the room's entrance. Jack raises his gun and demands to know where Kate is, but before Locke can answer, a second gun appears next to Locke's head. An unseen captor, standing behind a nearby wall, has Locke's bald head nestled on the business end of his weapon.

"Put it down!" the man commands in an accented voice. Jack keeps the gun trained on Locke. "Is this what you were talking about, Locke?" Jack asks. "Is this your destiny?"

Now stick with me here, because this is where it gets really good.

Locke's eyes widen but he remains silent to Jack's questions. "All roads lead here," Jack says, repeating Locke's words from "Exodus, Part 2."

The captor springs out and takes position behind Locke. "Lower your gun," the accented man warns, "or I'll blow his damned head off, brother."


Jack's face drops. The captor shifts to the right, revealing his face.

"You?!" Jack exclaims.

That "You" is Desmond! The stair-running guy from Jack's backstory! And he's IN THE HATCH!

And that, of course, is where the episode ends.

Point 4


The raftaways (Sawyer, Michael, Jin and Walt) don't make a full-fledged appearance in this episode, but Shannon receive an unusual "message" from Walt.

Back at the cave camps, Shannon loses Vincent (can't anyone keep an eye on this dog? He's been lost at least three times now). She heads off into the woods to find him, and Sayid follows. Nearby, Vincent barks and Sayid and Shannon opt to circle around him from different directions so as to cut off his running lanes. Sayid momentarily disappears from view as Shannon nears Vincent. Vincent runs off and Shannon pursues, but she trips and falls amidst dense foliage. And that's when she hears the whispers swirling around her. She swings her head left and right, trying to make out the words. But then her eyes snap forward and she sees ... WALT! He's sopping wet and standing ram-rod straight. He tries to speak, but all that comes out are whispers. Sayid comes running in. Shannon turns as he approaches. She turns back. Walt is suddenly gone.


Point 5
Island Stuff

A couple of notable island/character things went down in this episode:
  • Hurley tells Jack an abridged history of the numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), and reveals that he's both a former psych ward patient and a lottery winner. The psych ward part is the only thing that catches Jack's attention.

  • Locke refers to the monster as a "column of black smoke" (it appeared very briefly in "Exodus, Part 2"). Kate tells Locke she also saw the smoke creature.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Adrift" -- The rafters fight to stay afloat as a new ocean adversary appears. Airs: Wednesday, Sept. 28, 9 p.m., ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on September 22, 2005 9:41 AM |

I'm impressed! The episode is barely 12 hours old and already you've recanted it in full! I thought it was a great start to the season as well. I have a theory, though, about the "tubby old man" that died in the E.R. (time of death 8:15 am, by the way!) His last name was Rutherford and he was 57 years old. Shannon's last name was also Rutherford. Now, we don't know how far back this flashback takes place. Some think about 10 years, based on the dated equiptment in the hatch, which would place Shannon at 10 years old. However, one can assume that Jack didn't date Sara for 10 years before marrying her, and that would make him much, much older now than he looks. So, I would place this flashback between 2 and 5 years tops. Now, remember Boone saying that Shannon "was" married in the episode "Heart and Minds." He also told Sayid (I think in the same ep) that Shannon "latches on to older guys." Well, so many people have hypothesized that the Dead Dude was Shannon's father, but I guess I'm inclined to think it was her husband! I think the husband theory is way too obvious for these writers. They throw as many loops as possible, remember? Oh, and how do we know he and Shannon were even related at all? Because nothing on this show is random! I think we figured that when Desmond turned out to be Hatch Guy. And, also remember, everything that happens on that island happens for a reason! Thanks for readin'!:)

#1. Posted by: Trinity at September 22, 2005 10:57 AM

Anyone else notice the numbers on the lable of the liquid medicine fron the first scene? They are somehow VERY familiar!

#2. Posted by: Tony Johnson at September 22, 2005 11:05 AM

Walt may be whispering, but he's talking backwards! he says something like: "press the button, no button's bad"
check out this audio clip:

#3. Posted by: Andre at September 22, 2005 11:07 AM

Here is the label on the injection bottle:

And here is the wrist watch from the doctor who pronounces the time of death:

I guess the costuming dept/digital editing didn't care to adjust the time for accuracy to plot line.

#4. Posted by: EverybodyHatesHugo at September 22, 2005 11:22 AM

One thing wrong with the summary. Jack had a stick torch and a gun when he went back to the hatch. He dropped the stick torch down to the bottom of the hatch so he could see. When he finally got to the bottom, he found the flashlight that Kate had dropped. If Locke followed Kate down the hatch, why wouldn't he have picked up the flashlight?

Also, the girl in the boat who threw the bomb onto the raft at the end of the season one finale was Rousseau's daughter Alex. I think.

#5. Posted by: WrecksWright at September 22, 2005 11:56 AM

Also if anyone noticed...

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108

There was graffiti on a wall as Jack went down the hallway...

I noticed it.. tee hee...


#6. Posted by: David Kahnt at September 22, 2005 1:19 PM

Does anyone find the news about Hurley being admitted into a mental instituation kind of wierd, that is the first time they ever mentioned that. During his backstory, they made it seem like he was visiting someone at the institution. I wonder what significance that will have this season...

#7. Posted by: Lost Fan at September 22, 2005 1:56 PM

Here is a screencap composite of the MURAL:

#8. Posted by: Everybodyhateshugo at September 22, 2005 2:30 PM

Has anyone heard of the Rousseau theory? Rousseau was a philosopher in the 1700's that supposedly had a theory about everyone having a twin and meeting your twin, etc. And the Frenchwomans name is Rousseau.

#9. Posted by: Fran at September 22, 2005 2:39 PM

Thanks for this summary. We had a big storm where I live and the power was knocked out so I missed the premiere. For once, Ill be glad for reruns!

#10. Posted by: debbie at September 22, 2005 4:07 PM

Desmond is SCOTTISH!!

great to see a fellow scotsman taking a role in LOST.

#11. Posted by: IZI at September 22, 2005 5:36 PM

I thought that Desmond said "I'll blow his damned head off proper"... I've seen the episode twice (saw the world premiere at Waikiki beach) and I could swear both times I heard 'proper' instead of brother.

#12. Posted by: sara at September 22, 2005 7:12 PM

The guys from the stadium is the guy inside the hatch or if the roussou theory is true is twin :P

#13. Posted by: mar-10 at September 22, 2005 7:35 PM

So, could this island be purgatory? Also, I so hope that it doesn't end like X-files with so many strings untied. My wife and I are wondering how many seasons they can string this on for.

#14. Posted by: Tony at September 23, 2005 2:35 AM

the guys from the stadium who is inside the hatch. told jack he was prepering for a a big world trip. He is a sort of doc he told jack. I think they met years ago. because, the way jack act with the paralized girl.

the guy inside the hatch is experimenttating hisself (but why quarentine and now way up)! (he got everything he need including guns) Rx-1 is a farmasutical drug but i dont know what is does. CR 4-815156- 23 48 is a number i cannot place. My sisters works in a Bio Lab so i could ask her what the numbers could mean. (project number, experimental code)But why was the code spread in a signal years ago (they guy in australia killed himself after 4 years). that roussau changed to here signal which is for 16 years on the island. The magnet field that jack finds could be a hudge generator! but why the cement! Iam gonna find out what he is typing op his keyboard that u see from the side! i think that could be possible. We have 2 weeks untill we know more :P

#15. Posted by: mar-10 at September 23, 2005 3:31 AM

I don't know if you all noticed, but in the first scene when you see him typing on the keyboard. He is typing out the numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42). I had the theory and had to go home and check it out on TiVO.

Just thought you all might like to know...

#16. Posted by: Cedarbrock at September 23, 2005 9:58 AM

Okay, so my husband said, when you look at word quarantine in appears on inside of hatch door. Where do we put that word? Where we can see it and not open. That means island would be quarantined not hatch!!!

#17. Posted by: Mattmegsters at September 23, 2005 1:05 PM

yep nothing more nothing less

typing is
"4 8 15 16 23 48 execute" spatial between numbers!

#18. Posted by: mar-10 at September 23, 2005 1:16 PM

More stuff to think about:

Safe code ends with 23 - 48 :P

we have a LOGO/PATCH:


numbers 108(total of hurleys numbers) 16 and 42

other info! Scared white face angry black face
people at a beach with very high waves. the word SICK! (roussau's team? Quaritne on the hatch is for the island?!)some houses. hope this will help to get some more Questions :D

#19. Posted by: Mar-10 at September 23, 2005 2:10 PM

uploaded more pictures at

#20. Posted by: mar-10 at September 23, 2005 2:21 PM

I'm beginning to worry about where Lost is headed. Do the writers have this all figured out and are working their way towards an explanation or are they just messing with the viewers and will leave us in a confused mess like Twin Peaks (and, yes, X Files) did?
In the season premier, the guy at the stadium seemed to be an example of the concept that Lost is about a spiritual journey and paranormal happenings. Afterall, he appeard mysteriously; he did seem to read Jack's mind; he "predicted" the miracle that was about to occur. I assumed he was some type of angel or messenger. But then the same guy appears in the hatch in a setting that seems to lend itself more to some type of sci-fi government/conspiracy/experiment type scenario. An "angel" would certainly have no need for injections!
I could be wrong, but can you really have it both ways? I just found the existence of a computerized subterranean hermit hovel on the island to be a bit out of place with the whole visions of dead people, miraculous healing, "everything happens for a reason" aspects of the show.
I really don't want to get sucked into a show that leaves me hanging the way the aforementioned Twin Peaks did. (Although all the male eye candy on the show mitigates my feelings that I might ultimately be wasting my time.)

#21. Posted by: litgirl at September 23, 2005 3:17 PM

I'm kind of thinking it might have something to do with the Philosopher Rousseau that someone mentioned somewhere.

Rousseau had a theory about meeting your "twin" or something and had some ideas on human good/evil (ie. man in nature is good, society corrupts). The french woman is named Rousseau. Also, Rousseau continue the work of another philsopher named John Locke (ring a bell)?

I don't know if this has anything to do with the show, but the fact that Desmond kept calling Jack "brother" and the theories on Rousseau seem to make me think they could be related.

Anyway, I think the writers have a definite path since most scenes in the show are too well setup with the #s appearing everywhere and everything seemingly connected somehow).

Kinda like how Jack is a spinal surgeon and Locke was a para-palegic who is now cured (maybe).

Unless the writers have some lame idea like this is someone's dream (maybe Hurley is dreaming this and is still in the mental institution), the show is great.

#22. Posted by: ashman at September 23, 2005 6:26 PM

no one has mentioned the lyrics to the song played in the hatch:
make your own kind of music
sing your own special song
make your own kind of music
even if nobody else sings along
(the mamas and the papas sing it)

#23. Posted by: sun girl at September 24, 2005 1:39 PM

Interesting to note that Desmond, down in the hatch burrow, is on a different time schedule than what is going on topside--he wakes up and begins his morning routine when it is dead of night on the Island. Part of the vertigo induced by the opening sequence of this episode has to do with what appears to be intense, daylight like illumination coming into his room and then the realization that it is the middle of the night for his visitors who have just blown his door open and that the light is artificial.

#24. Posted by: DNA Molecule at September 25, 2005 8:33 AM

Hopefully the writers of lost are going to follow in the footsteps of ricky gervais and keep it to two seasons only, i dont think i can bare it if it drags out too long.

i was thinking that the syrum that desmond is using some how repairs spinal injuries,
he had enougth info to be able to administer it to sarah in hospital, and maybe that would explain why lock has to do what the "island tells him" or as it seemed in that episode he will loose his ablity to use his legs.

#25. Posted by: JC at September 25, 2005 9:39 AM

Actually, the Rousseau twin theory isn't real at all. Doing a google search on it, you only find it in connection with "Lost" in some way. Either it is a very well-thought-out theory posted by a fan, or else it's one of the writers/producers dropping hints (or red herrings?) for the viewers and fans.

#26. Posted by: jackelope at September 26, 2005 1:58 PM

Does it not bother anyone else that the "connection" with Jack and the hatch was created in the same episode where it aired? What I liked about Lost last season was that backstories were created and used in later episodes. It definitely felt like the writers "cheated" because they all of a sudden realized that they needed someone in the hatch to shake Jack.

Plus, I agree that the flashback events only take place like 5 or 7 years before, but why is all the equipment from the 60s and 70s? It does look like he was put there, not escaping there. If he was put there, why wasn't anything updated?

And my final point: This hatch thing plus the season finale have shown us two really important things. There is electricity on the island and a boat! Wouldn't that make life a little easier on the island?

And I concur with the other commenters, I fear this will end up with a lot of loose ends. More questions keep getting added without questions being answered. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a model for this show (the character-driven idea, rather than plot), but yet they seemed to miss one huge cue: Wrap up the major plot line at the end of the season. Buffy did this every year and managed to stayed on the air for 7 years.

Instead I'm left quite frustrated because there are NO answers.

#27. Posted by: Leila at September 26, 2005 3:28 PM

same is with the old mulder en scully X files.

each season u know more! but als more awnsers. Wenn the movie cam a lot has been revield but more and more questions after that! I dont think lost will have enough room to be that lardge!

On the other hand wenn walt, jin, maikel and sawjer left on the raft tha saw how big the island was! so there could be much more!

I think that u look to much at the 60/70 style! I see it like the Space station that is for years in space build with equipment for that time but new astronauts living in it with out updating the looks. If the hatch works like a space station and desmound is now operating the hatch. Then there was somebody else on the island inside the hatch wenn roussau stranded there. So the time that jack met desmound can be a couple of years. In stead of the 16 years that roussau is there. There is also a logo on desmunds suit, medical amaire and walls.

So I dont think he is locked up there! Guns/Computers and Quarentine is on the inside! There are even 2 beds! The hatch is not an entrance but more like a emergecy exit! (short ladder) no handle on the outside.

If we look at the code: 4 8 15 16 23 48
medical bottles have the code
computer uses the code
safe combinatie is the code
hatch number has got the code
and the old signal roussau changed was broadcasting the code.

Rember Walt saying do not open the hatch to Lock. Saying Press button no buttons bad. if the buttons in inside the hatch are ment. why saying to lock not to enter/open the hatch.

I think Micheal and sawjer discover more! (back of the plain?)

#28. Posted by: mar-10 at September 27, 2005 3:51 AM

There seem to be a lot of time inconsistencies. Desmond appears to have aged much more than Jack has aged since they first met in the stadium. He's living with late 1970's technology (computers, phonograph, haircut), so it would seem that he's been inside the hatch for 35 years, give or take, but he doesn't look that old (55 if he was 20 when he and Jack first met in the stadium). Jack looks about 40, so he couldn't have been a doctor for more than 10 years which would mean they met in the stadium not more than 10 years prior. Also, where did Desmond get fresh fruit and fresh eggs if he's been in the hatch for so long?

#29. Posted by: Jerry at September 27, 2005 2:27 PM

I wanted to add that on another board, someone recalled Sarah mentioning her accident took place four years ago (that is, four years prior to their wedding). Now, we don't know how long ago the wedding took place, but it couldn't have been more than a couple years before the crash. So, I seriously doubt it's been 20 years since Jack and Desmond met.
Also, according to the director's commentary on the DVD, they know exactly where it's headed and none of this is random stuff inserted in there just for shits n' giggles. :)

#30. Posted by: Trinity at September 27, 2005 2:48 PM

I think that you forgot that there was Ethan on the Island.
Where was he living? Why does he want the baby, because we know that the Others wanted Walt? Rousseau never talk about Ethan!

Moreover, I think the Island is in quarantine (otherwise, why "Quarantine" was written inside the Hatch).
In addition, where is the end of the scale? We don't see it. Was it cut?

And, finally, who make the Black Smoke which called the Others? Because I mean Desmond didn't make it (he was sleeping)

#31. Posted by: French Monty at September 27, 2005 4:22 PM

hello =D i did not see the first episode as i was away but you've given me soo much info i dont even need to watch it but of course i will have to how can i miss an episode =D it is shocking =O im curious in how that desmond has got in that hatch and how it has been made and about walt =O strange kid :P its getting really weird i wont carry on saying what i think ill be going on forever :p haha!!! ill just say well done and thank you for such a detailed in sight into episode 1 so much info v.detailed -D

#32. Posted by: gillian w!! at September 27, 2005 4:51 PM


The jack's clock have 6:13 when he enter in the emergency room.
and after clock's have 12:40

the man are right jack's have 11:15.

and the casio watch have 11:14..


and i'm not sure about numbers typing in the computer...

Saludos desde Mexico city..

#33. Posted by: Rodrigo at September 28, 2005 3:30 AM

And.... Sorry... is not a 48 ...

is 42...


#34. Posted by: Rodrigo at September 28, 2005 3:35 AM

And when he puts the Lp.. the lamp of lav.. is left of the machine player...

and after the explosion is right of the machine.

and when he lights off.. the lamp again is in the left side.

hoooo.. whi all is soo confuse?

#35. Posted by: RoderiK at September 28, 2005 3:50 AM

hey when are you posting info on episode 2 ??

#36. Posted by: :) at September 28, 2005 1:41 PM

Walt wisper giberish but if you play it backwards he says dont push the button the buttons bad. Jack at the end of the episod was about to hit the abort button when lock says i wouldnt do that.

#37. Posted by: molly at September 28, 2005 5:13 PM

Was it my tv, or were the EGG YOLKS in the blender cherry RED?

#38. Posted by: tharsaile at September 28, 2005 8:37 PM

I was looking at the patch that mar-10 posted a pic of ( ) above, and the lines look like i ching (yi jing) trigrams, don't they?

#39. Posted by: lostisland at September 28, 2005 11:27 PM

that shark..or whatever.....had that simbol on it too

#40. Posted by: patrick at September 29, 2005 12:51 AM

OMG . look at the cells all numbers are there!
so the logo is a made of tri-grams which stand for the numbers. and the numbers mean,

4 = water - mountain
8 = earth - water
15 = mountain - earth
16 = earth - thunder
23 = earth - mountain
42 = thunder - wind

#41. Posted by: mar-10 at September 29, 2005 5:13 AM

there are 8 symbols and the logo has them all
||| = Ch'ien Heaven
|:: = Chên Thunder
:|: = K'an Water
::| = Kên Mountain
::: = K'un Earth
:|| = Sun Wind
|:| = Li Flame
||: = Tui Swamp

#42. Posted by: mar-10 at September 29, 2005 5:18 AM

If Locke was seen in his wheelchair in the ER (as has been reported) in Jack's FB, then the whole SUV accident couldn't have been more than 4 years ago, because in Locke's FB he said to the man in Australia that he has been in "this condition" for 4 years. I am assuming "this condition" means in a wheelchair. That is why he could not go on the walkabout. right?!?!

#43. Posted by: lucilou5 at September 29, 2005 3:52 PM

Could somebody PLEASE send me the link for the lost diary...Ican only open day one and day 36 from the link I found recently.

#44. Posted by: caron at October 3, 2005 5:52 PM

I am curious to know what happened to the older black lady that was on the island , we don't see her anymore? Can someone share some light on that query?
Remember when she told Jack that she does not believe her husband is dead and is he is still on the island, can it be the rest of the airline passengers are on the other side of the island with the OTHERS

#45. Posted by: Dani at October 5, 2005 2:18 PM

Rose will be making an appearance in next week's episode. They haven't been able to use her for a while because she's been busy with another show, but her character is still alive and well and believes her husband is, too.

#46. Posted by: Trinity at October 6, 2005 9:54 AM


#47. Posted by: Aaron and Ropey at November 1, 2005 11:24 AM

i know that there is a site to go to, to see what walt says but i cannot remember the site. could you emial me and tell me.

#48. Posted by: Joey Gilewicz at November 10, 2005 12:11 PM

Some of the unaccounted "Tailies" might have died thro' some form of mysterious illness, remember one of Desmond's questions about how many of you were sick?

#49. Posted by: Endolin at November 12, 2005 8:52 PM

I would like to respond to what Leila posted on sept 26,05.Desmond was not part of the original group from the 60's & 7o's. Remember,when they were first getting information from Desmond, he stated that his plane crashed here also. He was on his way to run a race around the world.When he crashed he was found by one of the last original Dharma Inititive people. His partner had died some time back.The surviving scientist trainded Desmond and he too died and left Desmond all alone to carry out the mission

#50. Posted by: keith at November 16, 2005 6:07 PM

Id just like to say a huge thanks to every1 who has posted there theory's etc because i live in England and im still in season 1 and Boone has just died and i couldnt wait to see further we wont be seeing season 2 till this time next year so huge thanks e mail me and keep me updated please thanks I LOVE LOST

#51. Posted by: ian lawton at December 8, 2005 7:30 AM

LOST HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST DRAMA SERIES EVER! i love the cliff hanging endings of each episode. keep up the good work!!! :-D

#52. Posted by: kelly at December 22, 2005 5:48 AM

hey im a lost fan in the u.k, i was abit disapointed wiv the season1 finale, opfully, season 2 will be a bit bttr.... lost rules m8...

#53. Posted by: at January 12, 2006 7:12 PM

What happened to Desmond after he ran out of the hatch? Where is he now? (Please email with reply)

#54. Posted by: Ron Little at February 2, 2006 2:21 AM

Ok guys, i'm not sure of theories but these are just facts:

4+8+15+16+23+42=108 ok everyone knows it but 108 (minutes) is the amount time they have to enter the code. 108 is also written on the graffiti on a wall in the hatch.

I listened the 5 of 6 Orientation video and the doctor said that they had to stay in the station for 540 (simple fact: 108x5=540).

This is also a thing, at the end of the second season, fake Henry Gale says to Michael to follow 325 (simple fact: 325=108x3+1 so something might happen).

#55. Posted by: Lost at July 10, 2006 8:50 AM

Rx-1 written on the thing desmond injects himself with is a type of harmless pneomonia that is taken as a vaccine type thing

#56. Posted by: hobbitdude at August 20, 2006 3:02 PM


#57. Posted by: Craig Andrade at November 1, 2006 4:21 AM

Pop trio Atomic Kitten will reform to play a concert in support of jailed Liverpool football fan Michael Shields...

#58. Posted by: Cristopher Guyton at November 22, 2006 4:37 PM

Rereading through the reviews: mac, I have to disagree that we know Rousseau set the signal fire on the other side of the island. She WENT there hoping to trade Aaron for her Alexandra. If she was the one who set the fire, she had no reason to expect the Others to be there.

Rousseau was clearly distraught to have arrived there and find no others. All which points to the others as having set up the signal. There to coordinate widely separate parties so they could act at the same time? Perhaps, but we learn later that they have walkie talkies. As a navigational aide to the small boat? Perhaps. Warning/signal to someone (else?) who doesn't have a radio? Perhaps. Additional question. How did it burn all day unattended? (Or was it?)

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