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Key Points from "Everybody Hates Hugo"

Season 2, Episode 4
Episode Air Date: 10/12/05

Point 1


After three weeks of fast and furious hatch revelations, "Lost" downshifted this week into a far more reasonable gear. Don't get me wrong, I love the big developments as much as anyone, but there's no way the series could have continued at that break-neck pace (nor could I have continued -- deconstructing that Dharma movie nearly killed me last week).

The downshifting brings a return to characters, and there's no better representation of character than the island's Character In Chief: Hurley.

Much of this episode focuses on our hefty friend, who is uncharacteristically flustered by all this hatch business. See, Jack has given Hurley an important task -- Hurley must inventory the hatch's pantry -- and Hurley is none-to-pleased with the job. It's not that Hurley doesn't like being around food (clearly, he does), rather, it's the responsibility attached to the food that gives Hurley the shakes.

He's nervous and anxious and he's sweating more than usual. The hatch pantry has even invaded his subconscious. The episode begins with a "Twin-Peaks-esque" dream sequence wherein Hurley imagines himself devouring the hatch's food supply (in his dream the hatch is full of candy and milk and fully-cooked steak dinners, and he eats them all). But in the dream, his edible reverie is interrupted by the appearance of Jin, who now mysteriously speaks English (putting to rest all that Jin-is-faking-it conjecture that popped up in the wake of last week's teaser). But hold on just a minute there! Jin, in perfect English, tells Hurley that he's not speaking English. Oh no! Hurley is speaking Korean. And it's at this exact moment that a man in a chicken suit suddenly appears next to Jin (really). "Everything is going to change," Jin says. "Have a cluckity cluck cluck day, Hugo." And with that, Hurley is startled awake by the dual sounds of Kate calling his name and the hatch alarm counting down (the countdown has crossed the four-minute mark). Hurley groggily pulls his head up and proceeds to type the all-important code (4 8 15 16 23 42) into the Hatch computer.

Have a cluckity cluck cluck day indeed.

Sidenote: If you watch this dream sequence carefully, you'll see that Walt's face appears below a "missing" notice on the side of Hurley's milk carton. Very crafty.

Now, you're going to have to stick with me here because I'm changing the format a bit this week. In the past I've broken up island events and flashbacks for the sake of clarity (and because it's a hell of a lot easier to organize). But I can't get away with that in this episode because the flashbacks and the present events are closely entwined -- even more so than usual.

And so we flash back to Hurley's previous life ...

This first backstory sequence begins in the living room of Hurley's mother's house. Hurley, clad in his Mr. Cluck's fast-food uniform, clutches a lottery ticket as he watches the lotto numbers flash on the television (4, 8, 15, 16 ... do I really need to finish?). This is the same scene that unfolded in the vital first-season episode "Numbers." The winning numbers appear ... Hurley passes out ... a great tremble is felt across the western hemisphere ... you remember. But unlike the "Numbers" scene, this segment continues with Hurley's mother pestering/berating her copious son as he slowly comes to on her carpet. Hurley seems oddly distant considering what's just happened (remember, he just won the lottery). He neglects to inform his mother of his newfound wealth. It's too bad, because he could have saved himself from an onslaught of maternal abuse. You see, Senora Reyes has clearly had enough of her lazy son's Life of Leisurely Limbo. "You have to change your life Hugo," she says. "You think someone else will change it for you? Maybe if you pray every day Jesus Christ will come down from Heaven, take 200 pounds and bring you a decent woman ... and a new car."

Oh, he'll have a new car soon enough Mrs. Reyes ... just you wait. It'll be a shiny yellow Hummer and you'll have a bitch of a time getting in and out of it.

Back to the present day ...

Hurley has a brief run-in with Charlie on the beach. Charlie wants to know what's in the hatch (as yet, only a select few have entered the metal bunker), but Hurley is evasive, dodging Charlie's questions with half-assed answers and darting looks. Charlie gets all high and mighty and accuses Hurley of lying to him again (in "Numbers," Hurley revealed his $156 million fortune to Charlie, but Charlie didn't believe it -- apparently, he still doesn't). Charlie huffs off and Hurley is left to wallow in his rising misery.

Moving down the beach, Hurley encounters a character we haven't seen in a loooong time: Rose. Remember her? She's the deeply spiritual woman who told Jack early on that her husband, Bernard, survived the plane crash. It's a lovely sentiment, but as yet, Bernard is no where to be found, and there's a reason for that -- he was in the back of the plane when Oceanic 815 snapped into bits at 30,000 feet. Nonetheless, Rose was -- and is -- completely positive that her beloved Bernard is alive.

And so Hurley runs into Rose, which is a stunningly prescient development since Rose is the perfect person to turn to during times of intense self doubt (she helped Charlie through his post-traumatic Evil Ethan disorder in "Whatever the Case May Be"). It's also very convenient that Rose reappears in this episode since another group of Oceanic survivors will soon be found on the ... well, I'm getting ahead of myself.

Hurley, overwhelmed by Rose's exceptional goodness, brings her to the hatch. That's right. A marginal character who hasn't been seen for months has been granted exclusive access to the mysterious hatch. It just doesn't seem right. But that's what happens and Rose soaks it all in with wide-eyed wonder. Alas, the aura of mystery comes to an abrupt halt when Hurley puts Rose to work as his pantry inventory assistant.

As Rose and Hurley count cans of tuna and sort through piles of chocolate Apollo Bars, Hurley's nervousness increases. He tells Rose that everyone on the island will soon hate him. Rose tosses this comment aside, noting that Hurley is the only person everyone loves. Just then, Kate waltzes into the pantry looking for shampoo. Rose points the way to a bottle, but Hurley puts up a half-hearted fight, telling Kate she can't use the supplies. Disregarding Hurley's protest, Kate grabs the bottle, flashes her "I get everything I want because I'm pretty" smile and walks out with a big ol' bottle of suds. Hurley's face drops lower.

The remainder of the episode draws a correlation between Hurley's current nervousness and the immediate days before his lottery win was revealed to his friends and family. Flashbacks show him leaving his job at Mr. Cluck's after being caught with his hands in the merchandise (a security video catches him gnawing on a contraband Mr. Cluck drumstick), then joyriding with his best friend (played by DJ Qualls from "Road Trip"), then getting the courage to ask out a cute record store clerk named Starla, and finally, achieving chicken retribution by using a platoon of stolen garden gnomes to spell out "Cluck You" on his former boss' front lawn. The flashbacks trace the last "normal" moments of Hurley's life. Throughout each scene he clutches the winning lottery ticket, never revealing his winnings to anyone around him, nor showing any real signs that he'll cash it in. But, at the same time, he has an air of inevitability about him -- it's as though the numbers themselves will eventually come to light, and their curse will soon descend upon Hurley's curly-haired head.

And so it comes to be. In a final flashback segment, Hurley's friend notices a news crew perched outside a local convenience store. The friend wheels his van into the parking lot for a closer look, and that's when it becomes clear that the crew has descended on the store because this particular outlet sold the winning lottery ticket in a massive payout. Hurley watches from afar, shrouded in shadows. But the store clerk (he's also the guy wearing the chicken suit in Hurley's dream) spots him and points wildly toward the van, recognizing Hurley as the winner. And with that, reporters and camera crews rush forward. Hurley's face is dour. He looks at his friend and is met with a stare of disbelief and betrayal -- his friend clearly can't comprehend why Hurley wouldn't have told him about the lotto win. The curse has officially begun.

Back in the present day, Hurley is haunted by the fall-out from his lottery success. That look of betrayal on his old friend's face, and the ensuing catastrophes that followed (his Series of Unfortunate Events is well chronicled in "Numbers") convince Hurley to be proactive about the current hatch situation. He believes that his position as Keeper of the Pantry will lead to the same disappointment -- eventually, all of the castaways hate him. And so Hurley decides to blow the pantry up.

Come again?

That's right! Hurley is going to blow up the pantry. Even better, he has the means to do it! In the season one finale ("Exodus, Part 2") there's a brief and seemingly offhand moment where Hurley is ordered to stash the remaining sticks of volatile Black Rock dynamite in a safe location. Soon thereafter, the hatch was finally cracked open and everyone forgot about those last few sticks of TNT ... everyone except Hurley, that is. And so Hurley retrieves the sticks from a hollowed out tree and brings them back to the pantry.

Fortunately, he runs into Rose (what are the chances?!). She uses her eerily calm demeanor to talk Hurley back from the ledge. Her exact words aren't revealed (their conversation happens off-screen), but whatever she said did the trick because the next scene shows Hurley on the beach with Jack. "Dude, there's enough food in there to feed one guy three meals a day for another three months," Hurley announces (more on this in a bit). "We have 40 people. It's just not gonna work!" Jack pauses, looks at Hurley and says "Okay."

And in that moment, all of Hurley's nervousness melts away. The hatred he was so concerned about will not come to pass because the limited supply of food isn't worth rationing. In fact, it's high time these famished castaways got their hands on some treats! So Hurley loads up and in the closing sequence he joyfully distributes potato chips, cookies, peanut butter (to Charlie) and a slew of goodies to the survivors ... and they all love him for it.

Now, that's the end of the Hurley story, but there's one point that bears repeating. Hurley tells Jack that the pantry only held a three-month supply of food for one person. Three months? Previous episodes suggested that Desmond had been holed up in that hatch for a very, very long time, but perhaps that's not the case at all. It's certainly possible that Desmond was nearing the end of his supplies, or perhaps Desmond had a secondary food source ("Man of Science, Man of Faith" did show Desmond adding fresh fruit to a blended smoothie concoction), but I think it's far more likely that Hurley's off-hand comment will lead to a bigger revelation as the season progresses. Or maybe I'm getting waaaay too into this show.

Point 2




The second season hasn't been kind to the Raftaways. A group of crazy "Others" nabbed Walt and blew up their raft. Then, Michael and Sawyer floated amidst debris and Dharma sharks. Then they finally made it to shore, only to be met by a tribe of stick-carrying angry folk who pummeled the Raftaways and chucked them into a pit. Good times!

And the good times continue in this episode. Early on, the hulking man with big stick (seen in "Orientation") tosses a rope into the pit and Ana-Lucia -- who's revealing a heretofore unseen anger management problem -- orders Jin and Michael to shimmy up the twine. She makes her point by threatening to pop them all full of bullets. Sawyer, because he can't keep his damn mouth shut, is left in the pit, which is probably for the best since the bullet wound in his shoulder is starting to fester and he could really use the rest.

Sometime later, the hulking man returns and tosses the rope down to Sawyer. Sawyer says he won't be going anywhere until he knows his friends are okay. This comment is duly noted by Michael, who suddenly appears above and says "So we're friends now, huh?" (I'm rushing/paraphrasing, but it does seem to be an important relationship moment). With that, Sawyer is hauled to the surface where he's promptly met by Ana-Lucia's fist. Once again, his sass mouth gets him in trouble. Fortunately, Michael and Jin have -- off-screen -- convinced their captors that they are, in fact, Oceanic 815 survivors. Now that the Raftaways' credentials have been proven, their captors have morphed into uneasy allies, and this newly formed Tribe of Oceanic Passengers marches off to rejoin additional tail-section castaways.

During the journey, Michael strikes up a conversation with a blonde woman named Libby who tells him that 23 people in her group survived. That's "survived." Keep that in mind ...

Ana-Lucia leads the group through the jungle, all the while reminding Sawyer to keep his trap shut while reinforcing her status as the group leader (her penchant for violence has rocketed her straight to the top of this group's food chain). Eventually, Ana-Lucia stops near a nondescript area of dense foliage. She pushes aside thick vines and leaves ... and right before her appears a thick metal door with a round wheel -- it's the same type of door seen on the back entrance of the other hatch. Ana-Lucia raps a coded knock on the door and from within the wheel turns. A harried and worm man in his late-50s/early-60s cracks the door open.

The Raftaways are led inside this second hatch, which appears to be in far worse shape than the hatch we've come to know and love. The walls bear the Dharma insignia, but the rooms are bare -- no outdated electronic equipment, no power source, certainly no computer that needs a code inputted every 108 minutes. Whoever lived in this hatch hasn't been around in a very long time.

The group moves deeper inside, then stops in what appears to be a final room. Something doesn't sit right. There are only five or six survivors in this group, which is significantly less than the 23 Libby mentioned. "I thought you said there were 23 of you," Michael says to Libby. "There were," Libby says with apprehension.

Uh. Oh.

Unfortunately, The Case of the Missing Castaways is temporarily put on hold so the writers can orchestrate a super-emotional scene (I'll admit it, I got a little misty). Later that night, the middle-aged man who first cracked open the hatch door approaches Michael, Jin and Sawyer. He stammers a question: "Back where you guys came from ... is there a woman named Rose there?"

Excuse me?

And suddenly it all becomes clear ... Bernard lives!

Michael reveals the good news -- Rose is just fine -- and Bernard, God love him, is absolutely overwhelmed with relief. He grips Michael's hand. "Oh, thank you!" he exclaims.

Point 3


Sayid's metamorphosis into The Professor is nearly complete. In this episode, he attempts to break through one of the hatch's thick concrete walls. And why would he do that? So he can get to the electromagnetic power source, of course! It makes perfect sense. You're stuck on an island in the middle of nowhere. Monsters and wacky French chicks and wigged out Scots are all about. Seems like a perfect time to unearth a potentially harmful power source!

But Sayid's excavation doesn't get very far. In fact, the entire process is little more than a set-up for a Jack-Kate moment. All you Jack-Kate shippers are gonna love this one ...

So Jack and Sayid manage to pop open a grate on the hatch's floor. They start crawling through a duct/underground foundation system, hoping to find an entrance or a less-fortified structure surrounding the power source. As they're weaving through, they hear a rushing noise. Jack moves toward the sound, emerging into an entry way. He sees light coming from beneath a door, so he turns the knob and finds ...

Kate wearing nothing but a towel. Jack has inadvertently walked in on Kate as she finishes up a shower (thus explaining why she needed shampoo). She's completely covered, but she fumbles to pick up her clothing. Jack isn't in any hurry -- he doesn't close the door, nor does he move out of the doorway. Kate doesn't seem to mind his presence. She tells him he could use a shower (their flirting is so overt it hurts). He says "maybe later." She moves through the doorway and he very, very clearly checks her out as she walks away.

Meanwhile, Sayid is still hunched in a crawlspace, wondering why that getting-busy-with-Shannon storyline petered out so quickly ....

Point 4


Speaking of Shannon ... she plays virtually no role in this episode. In fact, she's played virtually no role this season, save for that Walt-talking-in-reverse vision (watch your back Shannon -- irrelevance is the first sign of eradication!).

Nonetheless, Shannon appears briefly in a scene that sets up a future episode. To backtrack a bit, at the beginning of this episode, Claire goes for a walk by herself down the beach (Charlie is watching Aaron/Turniphead). She spots a bottle floating in the surf, so she wades out and plucks it from the water. Her expression drops. The bottle is the same one the castaways filled with notes before the raft departed at the end of last season. The bottle's reappearance -- sans Raftaways and sans raft -- doesn't bode well.

Later, Claire and Shannon approach Sun, who continues to tend to her Magic Garden of Herbs. Claire has previously revealed the bottle to Shannon (Why? When? It's not clear), and the two decided that Sun should be the one to determine the bottle's fate since her husband -- sorry, estranged husband -- was on the raft. When Sun first sees the bottle, she's heartbroken.

At the very end of the episode, while Hurley prances around camp distributing food like a Supermarket Santa Claus, Sun sits away from the group. She digs a semi-deep hole in the sand and places the bottle at the bottom. As she hurriedly fills in the hole, she's overcome with sadness. I feel a Sun episode coming on ...

Point 5

The Charlie-Claire "thing" picked up a bit of steam this week, and it's all because of peanut butter.

Back in "Confidence Man," Charlie calmed Claire's nerves by sharing a delicious jar of imaginary peanut butter. This moment -- as quirky as it sounds -- cracked open the relationship possibilities for these two. Now, in this episode, Charlie is able to take it a step further with the introduction of real peanut butter, which was taken from the hatch. When Charlie presents the jar, Claire's face lights up.

Hopefully she'll remember this moment when Charlie falls off the wagon ...

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"... And Found" -- Michael goes off on a solo Walt-finding expedition. Meanwhile, the second group of survivors demands to see the main camp. Airs: Wednesday, Oct. 19, 9 p.m., ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on October 13, 2005 10:15 AM |

I was right it seems. They were all survivors. The black man was Bernard too, and I was right in thinking that the three research stations are ALL on the island. Perhaps Desmond got left behind because Kelvin was dead and they knew somehow, but not about Desmond?

#1. Posted by: Born_Acorn at October 13, 2005 11:08 AM

The way I saw it, Benard was the white guy. He played the principal on Growing Pains.

#2. Posted by: dOR at October 13, 2005 11:15 AM

Yeah, Bernard is definitely the middle-aged white fella:

Here's a pic (he's on the left):

And here's his IMDb listing:

#3. Posted by: mac at October 13, 2005 11:19 AM

Somebody help me out here. Is the guy that plays Hurley's boss at the chicken place not the same guy that plays Locke's asshole boss in his first episode?

#4. Posted by: jon at October 13, 2005 12:54 PM

Hurley's and John's boss/ co-worker are the same guy. And the preview of next week made it pretty clear that the other's were responisble for killing the second camp of plane survivors.

#5. Posted by: gorilla at October 13, 2005 2:24 PM

hi folks. i am from India. i am an ardent fan of lost. i try to keep up the pace with the west by reading this site and dowloading episodes of lost through p2p. i have a feeling mr ethan or should i say the other man was kelvin. its just a hunch. desmond never said how he died. another fact that bothers me is "how come kelvin was alone before desmond arrived". imagine if there is food enough for one man for 3 months. then people maybe on their way to releive the swan station. cause if there where two people then it would last for 1 1/2 mths. so i guess they will have to sweat it out. and i didnt understand clearly what happened to the 23 other survivors that u wrote about. are they missing? and doesnt the no. 23 seem two obvious here. well its 42 of then and 23 of these people. there must be other survivor groups of 16 and 15 and 8 and 4. just messing around. i found out another neat thing
so 540 days is 18 months roughly. which is 777600 min, which inturn requires the inhabitants to put in the code 7200 times, and thereby 3600 times each for 2 inhabitants. i dunno if there is any correlation, but thats what it is.well thats all from me for now. keep it coming mac. u doing a good job, sorry great job.

#6. Posted by: roshan at October 13, 2005 2:27 PM

Roshan -- what does the 3600 entries per person correllate to?

#7. Posted by: Carl at October 13, 2005 2:55 PM

all i know is they have to lift their behind and get to that sorry excuse of a pc that many times each to put in those no. it could have some link witht the no. of strikes on the wall

#8. Posted by: roshan at October 13, 2005 3:11 PM

Born_Acorn: Bernard was white, not black!

jon: Yes, I believe they were the same guy

Roshan: good post, I also got that theory in my head...

Does it only occur to me that the other survivors seems to have a sort of "dictator-ship" under Ana-Lucia. Even if Jack is a sort of "unoffical" leader, this chic seems to push everyone around. Jack doesn't point guns on people if they don't do what he tells them...

Maybe there is a political message to show that dictator-ship only brings death ;)

#9. Posted by: PeeMaN at October 13, 2005 3:39 PM

found the webpage:
The whole page is an animated GIF. Saved it and opened in imageready. Found this:
in "the chicken" the code is printed in green... "mixed" in with the code is as following:
"Jack will di"
"Polar bear"
"Hurley".....Also the "due to recent natural disaster" announcement changes to "Don't press the button. The button is bad!". Can this mean that Jack will "di"+e? or will he ju "di"+ne with hurley? ;)

#10. Posted by: PeeMaN at October 13, 2005 5:51 PM

Hello, Im a 14 year old LOST junkie. My family and I are avid watchers. What I noticed last week is that Desmond wasn't seen. This is an odd concept, but maybe he is one of the others. Roshan had the idea that Kelvin may have been Ethan (ahh those days with Ethan, how we have grown) and maybe Desmond is one of the others and the hatch is is hobbitthole-like home.

#11. Posted by: Brady Roberts at October 13, 2005 6:11 PM

Hi !
Sorry if these pieces of information are already known (they are probably) but I have to go to bed (I'm from Europe :)
By following "MrClunks", thanks to PeeMan, I follow this :
And this :

So, are they pages made by the creators or made by "fans" ?

#12. Posted by: Gmooron at October 13, 2005 8:48 PM

i'm sorry guys but i think i got it this time.
look over this image. not the smooching but the bench and the logo on the floor

#13. Posted by: mozart at October 13, 2005 8:49 PM

I have checked with to have extra info on
And I got this :
We Love McCall, INC.
123 Main St
New York, NY 20001


Administrative Contact:
One, Mystery Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
123 Main St
New York, NY 20001

Technical Contact:
One, Mystery Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
123 Main St
New York, NY 20001

Record expires on 10-06-2006
Record created on 10-06-2005

So it was created in october (or June, I don't know if it is american date or not)
Anyway, it is BEFORE the episode has been broadcasted, no ?
Could we see MrClucks before the last episode ?

Moreover, if you want to have extra info on the different websites like kraftkost and darmaindustries, you can use the website above ...
For instance you can find some names, I don't know the show enough to know if those names are related...
Moreover, it's quite late in Europe, and I have to go to bed.


PS: If I'm completely wrong, please tell me
PS2: I'm still trying to generate the login and password by software computing ...

#14. Posted by: Gmooron at October 13, 2005 9:01 PM

You're right, Mrs. Howell -- I mean Shannon -- sure doesn't have much to do this season. Maybe she is the castmember who is leaving?

#15. Posted by: Mike at October 13, 2005 9:23 PM

These tricky websites all over the internet with the secret messages on them are tripping me up! Does anyone have a list of all of them that have been found so far? Much apreciated!

#16. Posted by: Jeannine at October 13, 2005 10:50 PM

Also, I noticed one more thing while rewatching the episode. Apollo Candy bars are pretty prevelant, boone eats one in an earlier episode and hurley eats them in the dream sequence, and rose and hurley talk about them while they are surveying the food. If you google search "apollo bar" its not candy, its a type of magnification device...Apollo's high power magnifiers are great for up-close viewing of stock listings, newspapers, maps, computer printouts, photographs, drawings and all fine prints. Manufactured with shatterproof, scratch resistant, optical-grade acrylic lenses. Designed to provide years of reliable, distortion-free performance. 8" 2X magnification lens with 5X bifocal insert and easy grip handle.

#17. Posted by: Jeannine at October 13, 2005 11:05 PM

> In 1943, the Procurement Division of the Army inquired about the possibility
> of obtaining a heat resistant chocolate confectionery bar with an improved
> flavor. After a short period of experimentation, Hershey's Tropical Chocolate
> Bar in both one and two ounce sizes was added to the list of war production
> items. This bar was destined to exceed all other items in the tonnage produced
> and along with the Field Ration 'D' bar, became part of Hershey Foods'
> history. In July of 1971, Hershey's Tropical Chocolate Bar went to the moon
> with Apollo 15 astronauts.

BTW, my Lost quiz is found at

An earlier version is found at:

#18. Posted by: David Buckna at October 14, 2005 3:04 AM

THis weeks tv guide says a prominent female cast member will die. How about if it is Claire...then her baby will have to be raised by Charlie and the other castaways..... giving the opportunity to fulfill her psychics dire warning that her baby cant be raised by anyone but her.
I dont want Claire to die, or Sun. I could care less about Kate, but shes the female lead, or Shannon, but it is unlikely that the first 2 deaths would be from the same family.

#19. Posted by: debbie at October 14, 2005 1:46 PM

there is something to do with the candy bars, cause why else would they show the name apollo on them. the writers love messing around. they know that we arent going to give head to the candy bar. so if u guys find out anything bout it , post it. hmmm prominent cast female member dies. could be roussoue ( or whatever the spelling is) anyways she is one quirky chic. no ones going to miss her much. but we are getting way ahead of ourselves. i guess the tower where the radio transmission is being sent is another lab site. and thats where the others are probably. and a small doubt, what kind of incedent can be reset by just inserting some no's. and why did they make it 108, why not a billion or something, then atleast desmond could get some sleep. haha. namaste, kal phir milunga. it means bye i will meet you tom (hindi).

#20. Posted by: roshan at October 14, 2005 2:22 PM

Hey PeeMan, I cracked the code on Mr. Cluck's website. It was easy and stupid. All it says is "Jack will dip his toes in the ocean." The writers/webmasters are just "clucking" with us!

#21. Posted by: Trinity at October 14, 2005 3:30 PM

mozart I looked over the picture carefully. Im stumped, what does it mean and what is that logo on the floor

#22. Posted by: Brady Roberts at October 14, 2005 7:49 PM

maybe claire's death sends charley into a heroin binge? the issue of his new stash hasn't really been addressed yet.

#23. Posted by: fofoyofo at October 14, 2005 9:14 PM

"She and Jack giggled and flirted over a couple of drinks and Ana-Lucia went out of her way to tell Jack the following:

She was on his flight (Oceanic 815).

She was in Seat 42F (back of the plane)."

Ok, my observation is this: according to the seating chart on ... THERE IS NOT, I REPEAT IS NOT A SEAT NUMBERED 42F!!!
The chart does list Ana's seat in the 42nd row, but it's in the center aisle, row F is on the side and doesn't go to 42!!!
WTH does THAT mean???

#24. Posted by: H§Fexile at October 14, 2005 9:44 PM

HSFExile, look closer. The lettering system is different for rows 6+.

#25. Posted by: The Armoire at October 14, 2005 10:36 PM

Just thought I'd point out these lines of text behind the "Important Announcement: ALL FLIGHTS CANCELLED" box on the main page of

"If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...


I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents."

I'm assuming Sally is a castaway and these are letters that were put into the bottle sent with the raft? Eh, it's "Lost", who knows?

#26. Posted by: Sublimit at October 14, 2005 11:58 PM

Roshan: I don't think Ethan Rom was Kelvin, I think Ethan Rom (the 'other man') was Kelvin's original partner and he got out. They didn't say what happened to Kelvin's original partner...that 'Other Man'. [just in case anyone missed it, Ethan Rom anagrams to 'Other Man']

I don't think it has anything to do with space or space travel but they've been throwing out space references the last few episodes;
1) Apollo bar
2) In the last episode Saywer asks Ana-Lucia; 'what are you gonna do, beam us up?'
3) 108 minutes isn't just the total of the numbers sequence, it's also the length of Yuri Gagarin's mission, the first time man entered space. (Google "108 Minutes")

They never mentioned how long ago Kelvin died. If it was right before the survivors broke in, relief is 45 days away but if it was 90 days ago, the expected relief team's arrival would be imminent because there would be an extra 90 days worth of food there. So that could mean the survivors ARE the expected relief team and Kelvins's 540 days are up.

Just realized, if Ethan Rom was the Other Man and he bailed out early, there would be even more extra food in there, so Desmond may have been WAY overdue for the relief team... Ethan Rom was in season one, but we don't know how long he may have been roaming the island prior to their arrival...

This show is twisting my brain...

#27. Posted by: Joe at October 15, 2005 4:26 PM

Ok, they got me. I rented all the first season and got hooked. Now, of course I'm watching the second season and just this week started reading this blog and forum. Very cool by the way. Anyway, somebody check my work on something. I'ts probably just the lost folk playing with us again, but...
if you go to the Mrclucks website already mentioned, and then click on the small j there it takes you to a list of favorite links. I'll let you check each out, but one of them (Experiment) leads to a page with an image of some kind of rodent. Anyway, the title for this is a bunch of morse code symbols. I tried to work them out and when you do it almost( and this is the wierd part) spells the word Dash. Ok that would just be a funny joke, but the fact is it doesn't spell Dash it spells (unless I'm doing this wrong somehow) DA dot6H SH. In other words there are five letters the first two and last two work to spell Dash but themiddle is simply dot6H. Am I doing this wrong? It is just nonsense? Someone who is interested in checking that I did this right would be appreciated. Then again if you Have a life and don't want to, I get that too. Thanks. Anyway, thank for all the fun guys!

#28. Posted by: Pastormac at October 15, 2005 6:42 PM

I looked at the HTML source. The entire morse / title thing reads: -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. .- ... .... / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / ... .-.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / ... .-.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / ... .-.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. .- ... .... / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / ... .-.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. .- ... .... / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. .- ... .... / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- -

Now we replace all the dashes, dots and slashes with -, . and /. And we get: -.. .- ... .... / -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. --- - -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - / -.. .- ... .... -.. --- - -.. .- ... ....

Run that trough the converter again and you get:
dash dotdotdotdot dotdot dashdot dashdotdash

Which translates to: think

#29. Posted by: Christoffer at October 15, 2005 8:26 PM

Seems like i fulbled away the middle part of my post. Anyway, I ran the title trough the morse to text converter at

It translates to something like: "dotdotdash dottdott" etc. I then replaced dot with . and so forth. Then i repeated the whole thing. Hope that was clearer.

#30. Posted by: Christoffer at October 15, 2005 8:33 PM

You can tell if its an official site if it links to this somewhere:

Like as in in Terms of Use.

#31. Posted by: Mofo at October 15, 2005 8:33 PM

Ah. Thanks Christopher. I see now.

#32. Posted by: Pastormac at October 15, 2005 8:57 PM

Just something i noticed on this weeks episode, and maybe it is just a fluke, but who knows, on this show, nothing is...

In the flashback of Hugo at the record store, he picks up a CD and on the back of it you see a DS or an SD I believe.

This seems to be the same logo that is on "the guy that asks for the penut butter"'s ring in a shot shortly there after. Other than the fact that I think he dumps on the band, this may be nothing. or everything... lol

#33. Posted by: tehrob at October 16, 2005 3:12 AM

I really have a feeling KATE is going to be the one who dies.

... if you look at flashbacks on the plane, all other survivors interacted or crossed (in background) with someone on the plane or in the airport.

KATE has no connection other than the dead fbi agent.

this either means she is a key to the mystery, or she would be the easiest to die.

#34. Posted by: eROC at October 16, 2005 6:56 AM

I really have a feeling KATE is going to be the one who dies.

... if you look at flashbacks on the plane, all other survivors interacted or crossed (in background) with someone on the plane or in the airport.

KATE has no connection other than the dead fbi agent.

this either means she is a key to the mystery, or she would be the easiest to die.

#35. Posted by: eROC at October 16, 2005 7:01 AM

"Don't press the button, the button's bad..." - Walt said this to Shannon a few episodes ago (backwards). As this was obviously a warning, Shannon could be the one who dies in the next episode.

#36. Posted by: Margot at October 16, 2005 11:03 AM

I just can't see it being Kate for a few reasons. I believe Ana-Lucia was brought in to create a new love triangle with Jack and Kate. We are still missing alot from Kate's past in her back stories. I think Sun is the one that is going to die as she doesn't have many questions around her as far as her backstories go, just as Boone had little questions about him.

#37. Posted by: Stumpy at October 16, 2005 12:52 PM

i read in the tv guide that the producers of the show (who absolutly ROCK, btw!) said that Walt's cryptic message translates to "Press the button. Don't press the button. Bad."

i love this blog! :)

#38. Posted by: kairi-chan at October 16, 2005 2:11 PM

also, i heard (from tv guide again) that the female character will die before the holidays. at least we won't have to wait very long!

#39. Posted by: kairi-chan at October 16, 2005 2:13 PM

YIPPEE!!!! ON the scenes from the next episode, the machete thrown that is seen narrowly missing mike has the same insignia as the shark and the lab coat

#40. Posted by: Brady Roberts at October 16, 2005 7:10 PM

Wait nevermind, sorry, bloody Tv......also i believe Rose will die because with this past episode, Rose is very influencial to Hurley and the rafters just found her husband, things are going to good for her...

#41. Posted by: Brady Roberts at October 16, 2005 7:16 PM

"This seems to be the same logo that is on "the guy that asks for the penut butter"'s ring in a shot shortly there after. Other than the fact that I think he dumps on the band, this may be nothing. or everything... lol"

DS = Drive Shaft

#42. Posted by: Mofo at October 17, 2005 12:12 AM


#43. Posted by: Travis at October 17, 2005 6:43 AM

In case you missed it:
IMDB confirms that the bearded man on the boat who kidnapped Walt is in fact Kelvin, so the Kelvin=Ethan theory is not right.

#44. Posted by: Tommy at October 17, 2005 11:48 AM

Just because a female character is going to die doesn't me a MAIN female character is going to die. It could quite easily be one of those "This appears to be really important, but it's just a ruse" things again (like Shannon's "death in the first season, Jin's ability to speak English last week, etc.) It very well could be one of those other survivors.

#45. Posted by: Leila at October 17, 2005 12:35 PM

translates to "We enter the circle after dark and are consumed by fire." Check here for some insight into that. By the way, that latin phrase was found on

#46. Posted by: scott at October 17, 2005 11:29 PM

here is the rest of that link...sorry!

#47. Posted by: scott at October 17, 2005 11:31 PM

Dharma is related to the numbers if you assign a letter to each number based on alphabetical sequence. When you get to 27, your start over.

4: D is the 4th letter;
8: H is the 8th letter;
15: 4+8+15=27 which wraps back to A;
16: (4+8+15=27) plus (4+8+15+16=43) so (27+43=70) which translates to R;
23: 16+23=39 which is M;
42: (4+8+15+16+23=66) and (23+42=65) (65+66=131) which is an A;

So.. thats Dharma. Any thoughts?

#48. Posted by: Jason Queen at October 18, 2005 9:46 PM

Way way way back in the comments someone mentioned the fact that Ana-Lucia rules by fear and domination, which results in violence and death. In contrast, Jack rules by a peaceful agreeance (almost democratic, though no one necessarily voted him "in") with his fellow survivors, which results in trust (for the most part) and cooperation. Now, I am new to this blog and have never checked the season one forums in any way, so please forgive me if you have mulled this over with a fine tooth comb already....I have always thought that the premise for this show's existence is based on William Golding's _Lord of the Flies_....To compare Ana-Lucia's way of leading to Jack's on the island perfectly mimics the leadership of Jack (the savages) and Ralph's (civility) in the book, which has always presented the reader with the question, "Are humans born civil and learn evil, or are humans born savage and learn civility?" Clearly, both ways to lead are symbolic, and using each of these leader characters from Lost to answer that question leads to very different outcomes. Seems like the two groups of survivors can be compared to Jack's savages and Ralph's followers from the story....

Again, if you all have talked and talked and talked about this already, I apologize. All this Dharma industries stuff from season two can't really be connected to Golding's story, but I found so many connections last season that I found it interesting to keep seeing them in season two...

Thanks for providing the forum to at least put this out there to a group of people who actually are interested!

#49. Posted by: VikkiFromNY at October 18, 2005 9:55 PM

Roshan said something earlier that stuck with me:

"i found out another neat thing
so 540 days is 18 months roughly. which is 777600 min, which inturn requires the inhabitants to put in the code 7200 times, and thereby 3600 times each for 2 inhabitants."

Does 777600 sound familiar to anyone? It sounds like a plane model to me. The Ocanic Airlines website lists flight 815 as a 777 class airplane. Now, i don't know about 777s. But I know that there are 747-400s and 747-600s. Does anyone know if a 777-600 airplane craft exists?

#50. Posted by: Jason Queen at October 18, 2005 10:05 PM

Notice in the page

flight 572 you can read

Giveus THE BOY

#51. Posted by: th3.cut3 at October 19, 2005 1:09 AM

SPOILER I have confirmed sources on two we sites that have a track for being right, that (shannon) is the one who will die.

from what i've read she will be killed by another major female cast member.

... perhaps kate, whom we already know cannot be trusted.

... perhaps sun, who we know both her and shannon share the secret of the hidden message bottle.

I do hope it is not ana. that would be too predictable without a more in depth understanding of her character.

but shannon sounds like a valid canidate. she just starred in the movie THE FOG and is listed on film schedules to shoot another film.

let's hope the writers do a good job on this storyline. cause I still think it would have been a bigger suprise to kill off kate. as pretty as she is, and as big of exposure she's getting. what a great suprise it would be.


#52. Posted by: bBURN at October 19, 2005 11:58 AM

Shannon is not the one who dies, naveen andrews (sayid) was on the ellen show and was not forthcoming with any details but did say that we get to see their (sayid and shannon's) relationship "come to fruition" dont think thats possible if she is dead, i also think it will be one of the "expendable" survivors we ahve not gotten personal with

#53. Posted by: tripleb at October 19, 2005 12:36 PM

There is a 777 class airplane I believe Boeing makes it. There's not a 600 but there is a 200

#54. Posted by: les at October 19, 2005 10:49 PM

Just looked into the aircraft 777-600. Quite interesting results cant seem to work out if it was a real aircraft or not (which may add to the mystery).
Some key words which came up was that this '777' aircraft was rubbish and one of the websites said 'Another french aircraft nearly crashes', Insinuating that this was a poorly built aircraft, And it was french. Also i found something that said this plane was supposed to have the perfect interior. I know that if this aircraft does really exist that there are very few around, may even be in concept stage (i.e. that new supersize airbus).
So that may lead to this DHARMA having set up this plane like the logo on the side points to.
This is my first comment on this site, and may i just say that it is very nice to read what you guys have to say about lost, some very intelligent people around obviously. (dont want to sound too up your bums) keep it going people enjoying your work. I am a season behind cos i live in the uk. But i do enjoy winding my mates because i always say 'oooooh that means something', 'WHAT' they reply, 'Oh cant tell you'
(evil laugh follows...... little fing on lip.

#55. Posted by: hightower at October 20, 2005 8:46 AM

Dont know if this is useful but check it

#56. Posted by: hightower at October 20, 2005 8:58 AM

I think that Kate was in Australia trying to give the toy airplane back to her friend's son. When Sawyer was arrested, he broke a policeman's cup. The cup was of a woman and a boy, around 4 years old. I believe that this boy is Kate's dead friends son and wife, now living in Australia.......

#57. Posted by: Shawn at October 29, 2005 8:38 AM

After going back and examining the "Dharma" logo on the plane wreckage, I don't think that it really is the Dharma logo. If you look closely, you'll see that while it does appear to be octagonal in shape, the "I Ching" trigrams (the symbols with the various combinations of three broken (yin) and unbroken (yang) lines) are clearly not present on the symbol on the plane. They are clearly present on the Dharma symbols we've seen so far -- on Desmond's coat, in both hatches, the food in the Swan hatch, on the shark's tail -- but they clearly are not present in the symbol on the plane...

#58. Posted by: stocky at November 1, 2005 8:16 PM

Can you get a new picture of Clair please? The cut on her chin irritates me more than you could believe.

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