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Key Points from "The Other 48 Days"

Season 2, Episode 7
Episode Air Date: 11/16/05

Point 1
Ana-Lucia

Eko

Libby

Bernard

Cindy

Nathan

Goodwin

Just when I thought I had a nice little system going, the "Lost" producers decide to throw a curve ball. Honestly, I have no idea how I'm going to recap this episode. Normally I break plotlines down by key characters, but since "The Other 48 Days" focuses on characters we don't know all that well, the usual system just won't work.

And so I'm gonna wing it. What follows are notable moments and observations from this cast-flipping episode. If I miss something, please, please post it in the comments area below.

So let's get to it ...

The success of the first season of "Lost" must have loosened up the budget because the opening scene of this episode shows how the Tailies landed on the island ... literally. This CG-driven scene opens with a beatific show of a sun-splashed tropical beach. Waves lap the shore as wind rustles palm trees ... but wait? What's that noise? In the distance, a high-pitched whistle grows louder ... and louder ... debris begins to rain from the sky ... is that a chair? And what's that big thing falling from the heavens? HOLY CRAP! THAT'S THE TAIL OF AN AIRPLANE!

Suddenly, the rear section of Oceanic 815 hits the water with tremendous force. AAAAAAAH - SPLASH! But the survivors are in luck: the tail turns ever-so-slightly seconds before impact, which causes it to land flush with the water. The landing, as violent as it is, allows a few souls to survive.

What ensues is very similar to the first scene of the Pilot episode -- key cast members (in this case, Ana-Lucia and Eko) turn into lifesavers, plucking fellow passengers from the water and dragging them to the safety of a nearby beach. Particular attention is given to Eko's rescue of two children -- a brother and a sister. The boy, fully conscious and clutching a teddy bear (the same bear seen in "... And Found"), appears to be fine, but the girl doesn't look too good. Ana-Lucia rushes in and administers CPR as Eko walks the boy down the beach, calmly talking to the little guy in hopes of shielding him from his sister's inevitable death.

But wait just a minute there ... Ana-Lucia, in a display of Jack-like dedication, breathes into the little girl's mouth and pounds on her chest. All that was missing was a "Breathe, dammit, breathe!" exclamation. The girl spouts water and sputters to life.

"Where's my mom?" the girl asks Ana-Lucia. "She's meeting us in Los Angeles."

"We're not there yet," Ana-Lucia replies. "I promise, we're gonna get you home soon, okay?"

Oh Ana, don't make promises you can't keep.

Eventually, the chaos dissipates as healthy passengers tend to the puncture wounds and assorted triage of the not-so-fortunate. But that chaos comes roaring back to life when a tall, scruffy looking man emerges from the jungle calling for help. Ana-Lucia is the only one to respond -- she darts up a sand dune and accompanies the scruffy man back into the trees.

And this is when witness the exciting beginning of Bernard's Island Experience. Bernard (the husband of Rose, an original survivor) certainly knows how to make an entrance. He's sitting in the remains of an airline seat, precariously perched 30 feet up in a shaky tree. One wrong move and the heart wrenching reunion between Bernard and Rose (coming soon!) won't be taking place. The scruffy man moves to climb the tree, but Ana-Lucia stops him, instead telling Bernard to slowly unbuckle his seat belt and grab the tree branch next to him. But there's two problems with this solution: 1. Bernard is scared out of his mind, which means his movements are a little spastic and 2. There's a dead guy sitting in the seat next to him. The tree branches creak under the chair's weight, so Bernard pushes through his fear and unbuckles his seat belt ... and that's when the chair drops faster than Oceanic 815. Ana-Lucia gasps, then looks up ... and there's Bernard, clinging to the tree trunk and wondering where he put his heart medication. Welcome to the island, Bernie!

Later, as dusk settles over the beach, the scruffy man tries to coax fire out of a dry stick. Ana-Lucia walks over and the two strike up a brief conversation. The man's name is Goodwin and he says he's in the Peace Corps. He appears to be particularly adept at surviving in rugged locales -- he's the only person around who's considered the benefits of building a fire. "It's going to be dark soon," Goodwin says. "I'm going to get a signal fire started so they can find us." Good thinking Goodwin! Fires are a great way to signal all sorts of things: cruise ships, airplanes ... crazy-ass Others.

That's right! Later that night, the Tailies receive a warm Island welcome from the Others. The survivors are startled awake by muffled grunts and the sounds of a struggle. Goodwin grabs a stick from the fire and he and Ana-Lucia run toward the grunts. They emerge into a clearing and that's where they find ... Eko, crouched on the beach and covered in blood. Two dead bodies are scattered nearby. As Ana-Lucia and Goodwin look on incredulously, Eko rises and reveals a blood-stained rock in his hand. The Others picked the wrong guy to mess with.

Alas, the Others were slightly more successful elsewhere on the beach. The next morning, the Tailies take stock and realize that three survivors are missing. Ana-Lucia, who by this point has elected herself Tailie Dictator, decrees that they will move the camp off the beach. A protest is raised by Nathan, an athletic-looking guy who has Alpha Male written all over him. He notes that the group needs to keep a signal fire burning to summon help. Goodwin agrees with Nathan, which sets off a chain reaction of mild descent across the group. Ana-Lucia's motion is denied, and so the Tailies opt to stay on the beach.

All is well for the next 10 days, but when Day No. 12 rolls around, the Others launch a second wave of attacks. Again, they strike at night, but this time they're far more strategic. In a flash, they grab nine Tailies, including the two kids. Ana-Lucia leaps to her feet and runs in pursuit, but a female Other blocks her path. With little effort, Ana-Lucia rolls the Other over and cracks her skull with a rock. The screams of the children dissipate, so Ana-Lucia grabs her captured Other and tries to shake information out of her. One problem: that's a dead Other she's got there. Shake as she might, Ana-Lucia isn't gonna get squat out of that one.

Frustrated, Ana-Lucia rifles through the dead Other's pockets and finds two things: A hunting knife and a folded sheet of lined yellow paper (apparently, the Others have a business account at Staples). Ana-Lucia unfolds the sheet and what to her wondering eyes should appear, but a list of nine names, complete with detailed physical descriptions. The Others have been watching ... a lot.

This latest Other attack sends stress levels to unprecedented levels ... and with stress comes suspicion! Ladies and Gentlemen, it's time to play, Guess the Other!

Cue Chuck Woolery ...

"This week, Ana-Lucia and her cohorts will try to uncover a spy within their group before they're all violently scooped into the jungle! Our first contestant is Nathan, a mid-level executive from Canada who resembles D.B. Sweeney in his 'Cutting Edge' days! Welcome, Nathan! [Applause] Now Nathan, you disappeared for two hours earlier today and when you returned you offered a half-assed excuse of 'going to the bathroom.' No one believes you, which means you're today's Big Winner! Congratulations! You've won a four-day, three-night stay in a deep, dark pit!"

Yup. They throw Nate in a pit. Ana-Lucia digs the thing herself and when Nate isn't looking, she kicks him square in the jaw and then tosses him in the dirt pit. For the next four days she asks him where the survivors were taken and for four straight days Nathan offers no answers.

At the end of the fourth day, Goodwin gets Ana-Lucia alone and expresses his concern about Ana's tactics. Ana explains her motivation, telling Goodwin that she "promised that little girl that I would get her back home to her mom." As such, she's decided to lock up Nathan until he talks. Goodwin, realizing this line of inquiry is a dead end, lets the matter drop.

Or does he?

Later that night, Goodwin sneaks over to the pit and lowers a rope down to Nathan. Nathan scampers up and Goodwin tells him that Ana-Lucia has very bad plans for Nate. Goodwin hands him a pack of supplies and points him toward the beach. But as Nate moves to run off, Goodwin snares him from behind and quickly snaps his neck! Wha? Oh, no ... Ana-Lucia had the wrong guy!

The next morning, the Tailies notice that Nate isn't in the pit (they're very observant, those Tailies). But Nate's body isn't around either, so the group concludes that he escaped. Ana-Lucia gets twitchy and tells the group they need to leave camp immediately.

For three days the Tailies trudge through the brush, searching for a safe haven. They find that haven when they stumble upon a heavy door in the middle of the jungle. Eko cracks the bugger open and the Tailies push into a dark bunker (you see where this is going, right?). The light from Eko's torch reveals a long-abandoned storage facility. The Tailies see a Dharma logo on a wall (it's a different logo than the one we've previously seen -- this version has an arrow rather than a swan). Moving deeper inside, Ana-Lucia spots a fuse box and manages to light a single electric light. Nearby, the group sees a heavy metal chest. They pry the lid and discover the following:

  • Blankets.
  • A Bible (Eko is particularly interested in this find).
  • A radio transmitter.
  • A glass eye (really, I'm not making this up).
Under normal circumstances the group's attention would remain on the glass eye, but the radio is a big find, so they rush outside to give it a whirl. And of course it doesn't work because they're down at sea level, surrounded by mountainous terrain. Goodwin notes that they'll need to go to higher ground to get it to work and he all-too-eagerly volunteers to make the hike. Ana-Lucia says she'll accompany him. When Goodwin offers a mild protest, she shoots him down.

And so Ana-Lucia and Goodwin head into the hills for some Transmission Time. This is where things get interesting. As the pair are walking, Ana-Lucia asks, "Why do you think they're doing this? Don't you ever wonder why they attack us?" Goodwin is non-committal in his answer. "Maybe they're not attacking us," he responds. Ana-Lucia continues, asking Goodwin why the Others only took some of them. Goodwin points out that the Others tried to eliminate the strongest people first, particularly Eko. "They didn't take you," Ana notes.

The pair decides to rest for a moment. Goodwin asks Ana-Lucia if he can borrow the knife. At first, Ana is apprehensive, but she sees that Goodwin is holding a piece of fruit, so she slowly hands the knife over. Goodwin methodically cuts the fruit. Ana choses this moment to point out that the knife Goodwin is holding is a U.S. Army knife. She asks him to hand it over so she can show him the proof. He pauses, then offers the handle to her. She calmly takes the weapon, then turns it over to reveal a "U.S. Army" stamp. "This knife's probably 20 years old," she says. "You don't see these anymore."

Oh Ana, you're a smart one with your Army knife knowledge ... but the truth is, you don't care about that knife at all!

With the blade safely back in her possession, Ana switches to the real topic. She asks/tells Goodwin that on the day of the crash, he ran from the jungle and he wasn't wet at all. Moreover, how could he have possibly heard Bernard's cries for help from the beach? No one else heard him. Resignation settles over Goodwin's face. Now that she's got him on the ropes, Ana-Lucia asks about Nathan's fate.

And Goodwin responds ...

"Nathan was not a good person," Goodwin says. "That's why he wasn't on the list."

WHOA!

"What about the kids? Did you kill them too?" Ana asks.

"The children are fine," Goodwin says. "They're better off now."

And with that, Ana is done talking. She lunges at Goodwin, but he blocks her blow and the two tumble to the ground. Goodwin grabs a pointy walking stick and takes a stab at Ana, but she hits the stick and sends it flying, then she rolls down a nearby embankment. Goodwin turns and pounces, but as he takes flight, Ana grabs the nearby stick and aims it pointy-end-up. The wood punctures Goodwin's chest cavity and Goodwin's face erupts in surprise. Whoopsie.

Ana rolls Goodwin's lifeless body to the side and leaves him with the big stick rising from his chest. So that's what happened to Goodwin ... remember, Ana ambiguously alluded to Goodwin's downfall in "Abandoned".

Sidenote: It's widely acknowledged that the name of the original Other infiltrator, Ethan Rom, was an anagram for "Other Man." If you're interested, here's a list of Goodwin anagrams. My favorite: "Dong I Ow." Runner up: "Doing Ow."

With Goodwin out of the picture, Ana returns to the Tailies' hatch camp and tells the group (which now only has five members) that they're safe. Sure Ana, whatever you say.

From this point on, the episode accelerates toward the eventual collision of the Tailies and the original survivors. We see the following:

  • Bernard uses the radio to make contact with "someone" from Oceanic 815. That someone is Boone (this is the culmination of the "we're the survivors/there were no survivors" debate). Ana-Lucia tosses off this development, believing it's a ploy by the Others to draw them out.

  • Ana-Lucia finally breaks down and cries. Eko is the only person who sees her. It's a good thing because she looks like a sad hyena when she weeps.

  • Eko does not speak for most of this episode, but in the final scenes he begins to talk again. He remained silent for the 40 days after he killed the two Others.

  • Libby and Cindy find Jin washed up on the beach (this follows the Raftaways' run-in with the Others). Jin is blindfolded and tied up, but most of the group doesn't perceive him as a threat since he appears to only speak Korean. Ana doesn't buy it, noting that their captor has half of a handcuff attached to his wrist (Jin has been wearing that thing since he attacked Michael way back in "House of the Rising Sun"). Ana's point is moot because Jin manages to rip himself free and run back toward the beach.

  • We see the same scene of Jin running toward Michael and Sawyer on the beach, then warning them of "Others ... Others!"

  • From there, the episode turns to a montage -- the Raftaways are tossed in the pit, they're brought up from the pit, the whole group sets off to find the other survivors, etc.

  • Finally, in the closing moments, events catch up to the present. We see the final segment from last week's episode -- the Tailies hear whispers in the jungle ... Ana-Lucia points her pistol indiscriminantly ...

  • But then we see something new: A figure moves through the brush. Ana spins and fires. The figure is hit in the stomach, the camera pans up and we see Shannon's stunned expression. Shannon turns away and disappears. Seconds later, the Tailies move forward and find Sayid cradling Shannon's body. Sayid's eyes come up ... his anguish turns to vengeance as he sees Ana-Lucia. The camera switches back to Ana as rain pelts her face and the full weight of her trigger-happy decision begins to set in.
And that's where it ends!
Point 2
Ana-Lucia

We don't learn much about the personal lives of the Tailies, but since new characters are about to merge with the established tribe, it's worth cataloguing the few morsels of information we've received. And so I present the first installment of "Tailie Clues."

Ana-Lucia Clues

  • Early in the episode, Libby sees Ana-Lucia giving mouth-to-mouth rescucitation to the little girl on the beach. Libby later asks Ana-Lucia if she's a doctor. "No," is Ana's only response. She doesn't reveal anything about who she is or what she does.

  • As we've seen previously, Ana certainly knows how to throw down. Back in "Orientation" she knocked out Sawyer, and in this episode she hits, kicks and kills with ease.

  • She appears to know a thing or two about U.S. Army surplus. As previously noted, she tells Goodwin that the knife she took off an Other is 20 years old and not used by the Army anymore. Of course, this tidbit was revealed amidst a cat-and-mouse conversation with Goodwin, so her knowledge could have been a ruse. Then again, she might be a super soldier ... or a long-time clerk at an Army-Navy store.
Point 3
Eko Eko Clues
  • Eko appears to be very religious. He's the only Tailie who gives a damn about the deceased (he drags the bodies out of the water), and he tells Bernard that he will pray for Bernard's missing wife and he'll pray for rescue planes. He will not, however, pray for the two Others who will try to kill him. No. No praying for them.

  • Continuing with the religious theme, Eko seems relieved when he finds a Bible in the hatch. His 40 days of silence following his run-in (and dispatch) of the two Others appears to be a form of atonement, as well.

  • Locke is gonna love this guy.
Point 4
Libby Libby Clues
  • Libby tells Ana-Lucia that she went to med school for one year before dropping out.

  • Libby reveals that she's a clinical psychologist.
Point 5
Bernard Bernard Clues
  • Not much to report on the Bernard front. We know he loves his wife and he doesn't like being stuck in trees with dead guys.
Point 6
Cindy Cindy Clues
  • I'm not sure I should even bother with Cindy information since she disappeared at the end of "Abandoned" and we may never see her again. Nonetheless, the two things we learn about Cindy are: She was a flight attendant on Oceanic 815 and she claims to be good at remembering faces.

  • Her "faces" claim doesn't hold much water since she incorrectly used this skill to determine that Nathan was not on the plane. So much for that.
Point 7
Island And finally, we close with a few Island Observations:
  • Cindy tells the Tailies that the Oceanic 815 pilot had completely lost all forms of communication and that they had turned back toward Sydney. "We were flying for two hours in the wrong direction," she says.

  • The island has chickens. Well, let me rephrase that: The island had at least one chicken. An early scene in this episode shows the Tailies catching, killing and eating a chicken. Is this important? Probably not, but I have a keen ability to notice worthless stuff and so I share it here with you.
That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.
Next Episode:
"Collision" -- The Tailies meet the other survivors. Hilarity does not ensue. Airs: Wednesday, Nov. 23, 9 p.m., ABC.


Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on November 17, 2005 9:43 AM |




ok guys, you MUST read this interview. this will tell everyone what to expect and what not to expect. it is great.

#1. Posted by: Steven Crellin at November 17, 2005 9:46 AM

What interview?

#2. Posted by: Marty at November 17, 2005 10:01 AM

here is the interview, and it was noted that we should all pay attention to Mr. eko's stick. he was carving on it and we never got to see what he carved. oh well
http://www.tvguide.com/news/askausiello/

#3. Posted by: Steven Crellin at November 17, 2005 10:10 AM

Who wants to bet that Libby's "one-year of med school" has some connection to Jack?

#4. Posted by: Pedro at November 17, 2005 10:19 AM

Heres something else I was thinking. Ana Lucia was telling Goodwin how she was going to cut Nathan's finger off if he didn't start talking. I think Nathan was also an Other and that Goodwin was scared that if he was tortured, he may reveal things about the group. So he killed him. Don't forget, just like Ethan Rom, Nathan said he was from Canada and no one recognized him from the plane. Sounds fishy. muhuhaha I love this show.

#5. Posted by: mike v at November 17, 2005 11:07 AM

I like the Nathan was an Other idea, but I think the scene between Nathan and Goodwin might work against that -- wouldn't the two know each other? And why would Nathan need to know where the beach was?

I could be wrong. Perhaps there are warring factions of Others?

#6. Posted by: mac at November 17, 2005 11:36 AM

...to add to that. Nathan is also the strong, athletic type which were some of the attributes Goodwin was listing as reasons for their kidnap in the first place.

#7. Posted by: mike v at November 17, 2005 11:37 AM

Good point Mac. I thought about that as well, but attributed his swift departure to him wanting to get the hell away from Ana Lucia. And as far as needing to know where the beach was. Ana Lucia kicked him in the face and carried him to a random location while he was unconscious. So he wouldn't know exactly where he was brought and would need quick direction. However, I guess my theory won't matter all that much since Nathan is ..well...dead. Keep posting people. I love everyone's theories and the recaps are always fun to read. Great Site!

#8. Posted by: mike v at November 17, 2005 11:44 AM

Mike -- You're right! I totally forgot about the kick-and-move technique. His question about the beach would definitely make sense!

#9. Posted by: mac at November 17, 2005 12:00 PM

I found a link that I think came from this website

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php

that had information on a human cloning project on the island that had been abandonded before the Dharma project started up in the same location. Someone posted that perhaps the Others are the products of this cloning experiment. That would explain why they are so interested in children and those with the best DNA. Now I can't find the link again! AARRRRRGGG!! Anybody know any more about this?

#10. Posted by: kcleahrose at November 17, 2005 12:01 PM

The second Other theory is a good one, but everybody is looking at the wrong person. I suspect Cindy is the second other.

Every character that is given a name is somehow significant to moving the central plot along; she hasn't done that yet, so I'm confident that we'll see her again.

The assumption that she isn't so good with faces could be a red herring. If she is an other, she jumps on the opportunity to cast Nate as the suspicious one, to defend Goodwin.

When she disappears in the middle of the jungle, it happens without a struggle. All other survivor/other confrontations have been loud and violent, so maybe there wasn't a confrontation at all. Maybe, just maybe, she waited til nobody was looking and then slipped away.

Playing off the Goodwin was close and waiting for a plane crash theme, and the assumption that Cindy is an Other, one begins to wonder if this isn't an inside job?

#11. Posted by: kidomaha at November 17, 2005 12:08 PM

Hey all:

Something that struck me about the comment of Nathan being an "Other" as well (okay, my girlfriend pointed it out to me), was that Nathan and Ethan are very similar names; intentional misdirection by the writers based on Goodwin actually being an Other?

#12. Posted by: RRPatLaw at November 17, 2005 1:03 PM

Mr. Eko's walking stick -- It seems that his carvings are a calendar or history of events.

That would correspond with the biblical connection - Old testament patriachs would carve their geneology on their Staff, which was also used as protection

#13. Posted by: grandma at November 17, 2005 1:04 PM

extended episode my ass.

#14. Posted by: bg at November 17, 2005 1:51 PM

I can't remember the name but didn't Desmond ask the Fronties "Have you seen Nathan" when they were in the hatch before Desmond ran out on his walkabout?

Desmond specifically mentioned a name of the person that had been in the hatch with him, and I thought it was Nathan but I could be wrong.

Anyone remember the name?

#15. Posted by: ashman at November 17, 2005 2:31 PM

Sorry, Desmond's friend was Kelvin, not Nathan.
:)

#16. Posted by: ashman at November 17, 2005 2:33 PM

I'm on board with the dual-Other theory. After all, we never did find out for sure who tossed Nathan that banana. It may have been Goodwin, protecting his wing man. I also found the similarities between Ethan and Nathan to be either a deliberate distraction by the writers or...well, something more. Let's assume for the moment that Ethan and Nathan are related, thus having the same last name. Is it possible that Nathan Rom= Anoth'r Man? (If he spelled it Naethan or some other way with an extra E it would be Another Man). But, I could be reaching here.
Also, according to Spoilerfix, Ana-Lucia is a former cop.

#17. Posted by: Trinity at November 17, 2005 2:45 PM

I don't know if Cindy is an "OTHER" but it's a good theory. Cindy is seen sitting in the water just after the crash, soaking wet.

#18. Posted by: lostjunkie at November 17, 2005 2:49 PM

If Nathan was an "other", why wouldnt Goodwin let him run away rather than kill him?

#19. Posted by: no at November 17, 2005 3:20 PM

I loved this episode. Why couldn't they have done season 1 as one short episode? (Would have ruined the fun is why!!)

Anyhow...

1. I seem to recall that just before Ana-Lucia shot Shannon, that there was some sort of ethereal light or shape in front of her that dissolved and disappeared after she was shot. Or was it my eyes?
2. I think Cindy might be another Other. I also think that Nathan may be another Other. But why are the Tailies being plagued by Others and not the Fronties? Might there be more spies in the Fronties camp?
3. I like the "human clones need fresh DNA" theory.

#20. Posted by: sam at November 17, 2005 3:48 PM

IF Nathan was also an other, Goodwin might have killed him instead of letting him run away because his faulty clone-DNA doesn't know right from wrong??

#21. Posted by: sam at November 17, 2005 3:57 PM

I noticed that it looked like the radio was on when Ana Lucia and Goodwin were in the jungle trying to get a signal. As Goodwin sits down, he removes the radio from the bag and sets it on the ground next to him, they show a quick 2 second closeup of the radio, and it looks like it was turned on. Probably means nothing, but you never know with this show....

#22. Posted by: Heather at November 17, 2005 4:50 PM

Anyone else think that Eko might have been held as a hostage or captive at some point? Would explain his reaction after Ana threw Nathan in the pit...

#23. Posted by: Peter Lawson at November 17, 2005 5:21 PM

My question about this episode is about Bernard: why is he strapped into a seat when he was supposedly in the bathroom when the plane went down? Perhaps he just sat there b/c it became turbulent, but seems to be a bit of an inconsistency...

#24. Posted by: Jo-Anna at November 17, 2005 6:04 PM

Nathan wasn't an Other. Goodwin killed him and made it look like he escaped so the survivors would decide Nathan was definitely the Other, thereby keeping suspicion off himself.

I assume Goodwin compiled the name list and also decided who was "good" (to be taken). He said that Nathan wasn't a good person, but good in what way? As a physical specimen? Morally good?

Too bad Ana-Lucia didn't keep him talking longer. He basically said the Others weren't actually attacking so much as taking the abductees to a better life. It's all very utopian.

It would really be nuts if the Others had the name list before the plane crashed...

#25. Posted by: triplight at November 17, 2005 6:13 PM

Jo-Anna--I thought it was odd at first too, but thinking about it, its very common during turbulence to sit in an empty seat in the back while waiting for the bathroom...

#26. Posted by: mike v at November 17, 2005 6:14 PM

Has anybody tried an anagram for "Kelvin Goodwin" I mean we never heard Kelvin's last name mentioned and we never heard what Goodwin's first name was. Just an idea.

#27. Posted by: Josh Sturgill at November 17, 2005 6:20 PM

I went to this website, as listed above:

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php

Clicked on the radar in the bottom left corner and found a letter from the "FAA" regarding the investigation into flight 815...this may be old news to everyone, but I thought it was pretty cool...

Some people think glass eyes can be used as an amulet to ward off the "evil eye"...

#28. Posted by: vikki at November 17, 2005 6:28 PM

the two others theory is a good one because it doesnt seem like he was on the plane, but why would goodwin kill Nathan, that just blows the theory for me.

Also goodwin said that only bad people were not on the list, aka only good people were taken. this explains why most of the other lot (jack/sawyer etc) were never taken, its because from the flashbacks many of them are not good according to the others.
children are always innocent so thats why the others always take them, next episode will be interesting.

#29. Posted by: ismail at November 17, 2005 6:32 PM

This probably means nothing, but did anyone find it odd that Bernard was found in a tree, not only seated, but with his lap belt securely fastened? Wasn't he supposed to be in the john when the crash happoned?

#30. Posted by: flinn at November 17, 2005 8:33 PM

Cindy can't be one of the Others. She had an Australian accent and she was also the one who informed the other Tailies that the plane had turned around because they lost radio contact and were way off course.

#31. Posted by: curtis at November 17, 2005 9:13 PM

Kidomaha, Cindy was a flight attendant on the plane and said she WAS good with faces and did not remember ever seeing him on board. She flirted with Jack. So that theory is probably out. But I do like the Kelvin Goodwin theory though. That seems like it could be feasible. And I'm still wondering where Desmond ran off to.

#32. Posted by: gotspeed13 at November 17, 2005 10:30 PM

Flinn, read a few posts up. Your question has been answered.

#33. Posted by: Unicorn at November 17, 2005 10:31 PM

Wasn't Cindy the flight attendant that was flirting with Jack while he was getting on the plane in one of the flash backs?

Also... The two different tribes of "Others" may not be a bad idea. What if the government genetic or cloning experiments were for making "super-soldiers"... maybe there were 2 tribes of them on seperate sides of the island so that they could conduct wargame type experiments. Maybe that explains why one Dharma symbol has a bird and the other symbol at the other bunker has an arrow. Two factions?


#34. Posted by: Patrick at November 17, 2005 10:43 PM

It's not a matter of multiple factions because we already knew from the other Dharma bunker that there were other bunkers scattered around the island, and if The Swan is Station 3, then obviously it's at least not just a matter of two factions. But I think it's pretty obvious that the Dharma symbols are different for each bunker to distinguish them from each other.

Based on what Goodwin has said and what we know of the Dharma Initiative, I'm willing to bet that the others are simply members of this Dharma Initiative trying to create some kind of warped utopian society, which explains why they're only taking survivors they feel are "good people", why they don't feel they're "attacking" the survivors, and it especially explains their fixation with children. And before anyone points out that the majority of the others that we've seen don't seem like scientists, no one ever said the members of the Dharma Initiative were all scientists anymore. Maybe it's become like a cult.

#35. Posted by: Pen at November 18, 2005 2:55 AM

I always wondered which side Eko would be in the faith vs science thing. He offers to pray, buries bodies, 40 day silence and bible happy. I think Eko was a priest.

Libby could be Jack's medical assistant at the main camp.

Mac's right, Locke is going to love Eko and Jack is not. hehe

#36. Posted by: Priya at November 18, 2005 3:07 AM

The Arrow, Swan, and number of Dharma Stations question has been discussed on the message board. We can't be sure until we know a lot more, but signs point to the Apollo (candy) Bars being the clue. If you look at the wrapper, stars are the predominant motif. There are six items associated with Apollo in mythology, and those six items are also small constellations associated with the Apollo constellation. The Swan and The Arrow are two of those items. Others are The Snake Handler, The Goblet/Crater, The Hunter (Orion) and The Raven. This has been independently noted on other message boards as well.

Pedro said, Who wants to bet that Libby's "one-year of med school" has some connection to Jack?

I say, What about a possible connection to Desmond, who was "almost a doctor once" - just like Libby?

#37. Posted by: miranda at November 18, 2005 4:11 AM

ugh

#38. Posted by: name at November 18, 2005 7:05 AM

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet: the others were obviously waiting for the arrivals!

"10 minutes after the crash Goodwin ran out of the jungle and wasn't wet".

#39. Posted by: Tom at November 18, 2005 7:50 AM

Regarding the six objects connected to Apollo....the snake handler....Eko and his stick...Moses and his staff...Moses' staff turned into a snake at one point...correct?

#40. Posted by: vikki at November 18, 2005 8:51 AM

Why was it SO easy to kill an Other with a hit on the head by a big rock??? They're fast, but easily killed with one blow?

#41. Posted by: Heather at November 18, 2005 9:45 AM

"I say, What about a possible connection to Desmond, who was "almost a doctor once" - just like Libby?" - miranda

Wasn't there a picture in the Hatch of Desmond with another woman? Is there a likeness?

#42. Posted by: Chris at November 18, 2005 10:08 AM

sorry for the double post, but what of the Army Knife? Does that mean there was an army presence on the Island? US Base?

The teddy bear the boy has looks similar to the one seen being dragged by the others through the woods in "...And Found"

#43. Posted by: Chris at November 18, 2005 10:12 AM

I found it interesting that there was a long pause after Ana Lucia was asked if she had children. She eventually said 'no' but I think there is something she is hiding.

#44. Posted by: Bill at November 18, 2005 12:53 PM

After watching the previews for next weeks episode I started wondering...When Anna Lucia said "I killed the woman he loved." when talking about Sayid. What if she wasn't talking about Shannon but what if she was referring to the woman who's picture Sayid carried around with him, the one he was supposed to kill but he let go because he was in love with her. What if she is the one Anna Lucia was talking about and they are connected that way...Just something to think about.

#45. Posted by: UNCAngel08 at November 18, 2005 3:04 PM

I doubt that Ana-Lucila killed Nadia (but who knows anything is possible with this show). What I find hard to believe is that Sayid has been trapsing about the world in search of his lady love, set up his friend in order to save her and have a chance to be with her, then falls in love in 48 days with the cute blonde on an island they were ship-wrecked on. He tells Shannon that he "Loves Her". How easy he forgets about Nadia! I could see that happenning if they were on the island for more than say a couple of years with no hope of rescue in sight, but the time frame does not seem to fit his personality.

#46. Posted by: Theoldred at November 18, 2005 4:05 PM

gotspeed13

It is clear Cindy was on the plane as a flight attendent. My point is that her behavior doesn't fit well with Nate being just another passenger.

One possibility is that Nate has significance, but that didn't play out in the episode; he was the red herring.Another possibility is that Cindy, while being from the plane knows others on the island.

Yes this is a leap, but, for the reason I mention in the original post, her abduction/disappearance is different from others we have seen and so there is probably importance hidden in those clues.

Remember that people associated with the show have indicated that we will find why they came to be on the island. I'm suggesting the easiest path to that point is that people on the plane we involved... i.e. Cindy

#47. Posted by: kidomaha at November 18, 2005 5:40 PM

Here was my speculation, do you guys remember in the first season when Sayed walks to the summit to work the radio transmission, but the radio is ruined because somebody knocks him unconscious. My boyfriend thinks he remembers that Locke admitted to doing it, but I don't think he did. When he was up there, could it have been the same time as when Ana Lucia and Goodwin went up there? Or am I off on the time frame?

#48. Posted by: Judester at November 18, 2005 7:14 PM

?She asks/tells Goodwin that on the day of the crash, he ran from the jungle and he wasn't wet at all. Moreover, how could he have possibly heard Bernard's cries for help from the beach??

I was reading your explanation with particular attention to this, because I wanted some clarification on what happened, and what you said doesn?t seem quite right to me. I think you are a little backwards and that causes some problems. Ana first asked Goodwin how he knew Bernard was there, and he said he heard him from the beach. Only then did she point out that he wasn?t wet. It?s no big deal if he ran from the jungle and wasn?t wet, because he could have just landed there (instead of in the water) like Bernard. Goodwin said he was on the beach first and then went to the jungle. That he was on the beach first was the reason he should have been wet. I hope this makes sense, but it probably doesn?t really matter though, because hey, no more Goodwin.

#49. Posted by: Pohlmeier at November 18, 2005 11:22 PM

Goodwin said “the others” only take good people and left the rest to die, and he also said that they weren’t attacking them, right?
I mean they had a spy on each group, and that spy decided who deserved to live and who deserved to die.
Wouldn’t be possible that the others are taking the “good people” for protection and let the rest of the survivors to die from the disease that affected Rousseau’s group.
Maybe if the button is not reactivated and the countdown goes to 0, somehow the disease will spread on the island and only the people that are “safe” with the others are the only ones who can survive, the “good” people.

#50. Posted by: Sheyla Ann at November 19, 2005 2:48 AM

Sun and Jun are a part of the Others infiltrating the Fronties!Either that or other People.!!

#51. Posted by: Dusten at November 19, 2005 3:56 PM

Has anyone played silent hill 2. the music on both the game and the show are the same. also the game happens to be as weir as the show; things happen with no source of explanation.

#52. Posted by: Omar at November 19, 2005 5:35 PM

Libby said she was a clinical psychologist, but
that doesn't mean she was telling the truth. Goodwin breaking Nathan's neck is interesting. Breaking someone's neck seems like the sort of thing
that a only a trained person would attempt.

#53. Posted by: Bill at November 19, 2005 9:43 PM

It is obvious to me that Goodwin was part of the same group of others that kidnapped the tailies. What I don't understand is why he (and Ethan Rom for that matter) were not dressed like them. If Goodwin, as well as Ethan, had just been forraging around for food when the plane crashed, wouldn't he be dressed in the same type of dirty, ratty old clothes as the kidnappers? I'm not sure how, but it obvious that the survivors of 815 were expected by the others, Goodwin waiting for the tailies, Ethan waiting for the fronties. Are Walt's kidnappers from the same group of others? Possibly. The fact that they knew Walt was on the raft when they went to kidnap him, and not on the beach with the rest of the survivors, is interesting. And how did they know there was a raft to begin with? Someone is keeping tabs on our group of survivors. One more thought -- it is apparent that whatever Shannon was seing in the jungle, it wasn't actually Walt. Maybe he was communicating wth her somehow from wherever he is, but if it were really him, and he led her right to the tailies, wouldn't they have seen him, especially Michael, since Walt is the only thing on his mind right now? Walt bacwards-speak "they're coming and they're close..." obviously refers to the tailies imminent arrival, as well as the return of the raftaways.

The next episode WILL be interesting. Not only do more survivors show up, that the original group has not yet met, but also the return of the raftways (without Walt!!), whom most of the group think are sailing the ocean searching for rescue (with the exception of those who know of the bottle of course -- Sun, Claire, Kate and Shannon -- all of the original women survivors that have been given any characterization so far. Sayid, as we all now know, is the FIRST to learn of their actual return to the island. And did he REALLY see Walt?? I think he did -- and was so stunned by it that he didn't react right away when Shannon took off after Walt, thus leading to Shannon's getting shot by Ana-Lucia).

#54. Posted by: Stocky at November 20, 2005 9:32 AM

I think the magnet in the hatch (that attracted Jack's necklace when he first entered the hatch) is the reason the plane went off course. I think it was an electromagnet that was made by those in the hatch to lure a plane full of people there. The Others, I think, are people that were originally 'stuck' in the hatch for the Darma project, and now that they've gotten a plane to crash on the island, they are getting the youngest and most able of the survivors to take their place in the hatch so they can get off the island.

#55. Posted by: Mike B at November 20, 2005 10:27 AM

anna is a high level cia or fbi agent, or military ops. you tell by her weapons training,
hand to hand combat skills,verbal intervention skills, (when she is instructing bernard out of the trees you tell by her voice tone, very clear and controlled) anna disarms sawyer and knocks him out in the pit while michael and jinn watch
3 against one. she digs a holding cell (pit) by herself. she was able to dertermine that there was an other among them. she knows cpr. she has alot of trained skills.

#56. Posted by: powersauce at November 20, 2005 12:45 PM

you fools are stupid

1.when bernard went to the rest room a flight atendant told him to sit down.

2.goodwin is the only other nathan was not an other, neither is any one else except for the others and none of the fronties are others either!

#57. Posted by: kirt creason at November 20, 2005 1:25 PM

what happened to the beast thingy from the first season?>

#58. Posted by: kirt creason at November 20, 2005 1:27 PM

Kirt -- thanks for your astute commentary.

#59. Posted by: mac at November 20, 2005 1:51 PM

Did anyone else notice the white spot moving in the background in the scene wheen Anna Lucia is talking to Goodwin. The lost show with Anna on the right and Goodwin on the left, there is a white spot moving through the background between them. It starts moving when she says "they don't even wear shoes" and is only in a couple of frames.

Ideas?

#60. Posted by: Jason at November 20, 2005 10:12 PM

Jared, its a care driving in the background. I have a hard time believing that its supposed to be a part of the plot, probably just a mistake.

#61. Posted by: bg at November 20, 2005 11:06 PM

I think that the connection between the people on the island is far more complex then what we see...perhaps fronties/tallies even met the Others without even knowing in their daily lives before the crash.

Oh yes..to all the people jitting on shanons role in lost...remember Boone said in the beginning that Shannon was special..and the she knew stuff...(well maybe she won't die but play a more important role later...Anyways i dont care because she's candy)

Ciao

#62. Posted by: samir at November 21, 2005 6:58 AM

Too bad they had to kill Nathan on the first episode. I liked him when he was in the serie 'Ed'. Anyone remember that?

But maybe he'll return as a zombie. Who knows. I'm willing to believe anything now.

#63. Posted by: SnakeJake at November 21, 2005 10:50 AM

Hey what if Ecko was on that small plane that boone and locke found the radio in. Maybe he is a priest and thought that the virgin mary statues were real, not used for heroin smuggling.

#64. Posted by: boonedocks at November 21, 2005 11:23 AM

I live in england, and i own part 1 of season 1 on DVD, the episode being screened now is 'numbers'where we flashback to when hurley won the lottery)and i have been trying sooo hard not to look at the episode sumaries (i own the lost chronicles too and it has episode sumaries) but i can't help reading the sumaries of series 2Iknow everything about series 2 (almost) and i have seen episode clips.

Ethan and the others obviously have a obsession to kids, (they wanted claire, presumeably 4 the baby?, they wanted walt, they wanted the 2 kids from the tailies.) I am tryin to work out- why kids? I am one, (11 years) but i still think they are quite usless (walt ain't so that might not prove my point).

But what I'm saying is that adults are more usefull. So a few post's up someone said that dharma could be a dna research facility, well it's very possible!!!

#65. Posted by: Shaughna at November 21, 2005 12:06 PM

as i said, a few post's up

#66. Posted by: Shaughna at November 21, 2005 12:07 PM

as i said, a few posts up someone said that a kid's DNA is better formed. so they may want kids for that. a possibility!

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#69. Posted by: Shaughna at November 21, 2005 12:14 PM

Hmm. Didn't somebody say somewhere that in this season we find out the plane crash was, in fact intentional? But still, how would Ethan/Goowin know the exact locations in which the plane came down.

What of the front section of the plane? We know the Co-pilot survived (long enough to be eaten), because the door was jammed. But what if there were survivors in the front part of the plane taken by others from the start?

Im still pondering how a US army knife came to be on that other. Maybe its linked to the Munitions Magnate, Alvasar Hanso?

#70. Posted by: Chris at November 21, 2005 1:30 PM

Did anybody notice the "flying shadow" in front of the airplane tail just a few moments before it crashes down ?

#71. Posted by: Tim at November 21, 2005 1:46 PM

Here's one to add confusion. In the first episode of season one, just before plane breaks apart, Charlie runs past Jack to the front of the plane quickly followed by Cindy the stewardess (sorry, flight attendant) so how on earth does she end up with the Taillies????

#72. Posted by: Schmoking D at November 21, 2005 3:03 PM

If I remember correctly, she flies out of the back of the plane doesn't she? I'm just shooting from the hip here


#73. Posted by: Fish at November 21, 2005 3:26 PM

Yes, If I remember correctly, Cindy was trying to get Charlie out of the toilet when the plane broke up.Maybe the "jolt" before the breakup caused her to go back to her flight attendant seat?

#74. Posted by: Chris at November 21, 2005 3:38 PM

Yeah that seems more reasonable than her getting thrown off the plane and landing safely...

#75. Posted by: Fish at November 21, 2005 7:15 PM

Would make sense I suppose. Come to think of it I do vaguely remember a scene with her returning to a seat and buckling up but can't remember which episode it was - And I've just trawled through all of Charlie's episodes from the first season (I need to get out more!!!)

#76. Posted by: Schmoking D at November 21, 2005 7:56 PM

Ok, I've got one more question for you eagle eyed viewers. When Jin runs out of the jungle towards Michael and Sawyer you see the sillouettes of the Taillies, From right to left, Libby with Ana behind her, then Mr Ecko with his stick and Cindy behind him. But who is that on the far right with the vicious looking club? It sure ain't Bernard! Have we not been introduced to all the taillies? And if not where are they? All we ever see are Ana and co. Even in the bunker. At least with the middies(?) you see are other survivors in the background.

#77. Posted by: Schmoking D at November 21, 2005 8:38 PM

The "flying shadow" Tim asked about is a piece of the wreckage of the plane crashing into the water, just before the tail section. You actually see numerous pieces flying into the water.

Oh, since someone also mentioned Charlie -- I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before or not, but for the hell of it, I wanted to look up the exact definition of a "drive shaft." Well, here is what I found on websters.com:

drive shaft also drive·shaft (drvshft)
n.
A rotating shaft that transmits mechanical power from a motor or an engine to a point or region of application.

I am sure that the name of the his band is of some signifigance to come. "You All Everybody," the title of the song they were playing in the bar in Charlie's 2nd flashback episode (where he gets the job selling copiers) is a clue as well. If, as some people have theorized, the show turns out to have a finale something along the lines of the movie "Identity," where all of the characters on the show turn out to be different manifestations of a single person, "You All Everybody" might make some sense as having been an early clue...

As for Mr. Eko and the "drug plane," I also thought there might be some connection, that maybe he is a priest, and aside from the drugs, Mr. Eko may find some solace in the Virgin Mary statues that are in the plane. Now I am also wondering, how does a plane that small get to an uncharted (as far as we know) island in the middle of the South Pacific?? I would guess it must have come from somewhere that is very nearby...

#78. Posted by: Stocky at November 21, 2005 10:22 PM

I know this is backtracking a bit, but I was reading the summaries of previous episodes and it seems to me that Desmond, when he ran off,knew exactly where he was going. A possible way off the island? It doesn't make sense that he was running away from whateverit was that quarantined the island because he obviously stayed in the bunker to avoid it. Wouldn't he have stayed where he thought it was safe from whatever the illness was? Plus, I think that whatever he was injecting himself with was an antibody or serum protecting him from the illness and that the writing on the wall saying, I am sick, was from someone that was there before him because if he was sick, he didn't show any concern that he would pass it on to Jack or Locke.
Another note - the only confirmed Others that we have seen appear to be in their mid forties which,in keeping with the time frame set by the movie, music, and trs-80 computer, would put the Others possibly between the ages of 18 and 21 when the whole dharma project started, suggesting that they were either enlisted military or college students.

#79. Posted by: curtis at November 22, 2005 1:47 AM

A minor point here... points brought up in past episodes... Locke worked for a box company in Tustin, CA and Sayid's Iraqi girlfriend lives in Irvine, CA... These two towns are next to each other in Orange County just South of LA... perhaps it is just convenient since the plane was going to LAX?

Also, I like the idea that the magnet drew the plane to the island. The Others were waiting for the plane, the plane was 1,000 miles off-course, in this day and age? The plane was brought down intentionally, but by forces external to the plane... it seems straightforward to me...

#80. Posted by: Doug at November 22, 2005 4:15 PM

Am I reaching too far with this?

At the end of the 1st day, Bernard asks Mr. Eko if he has pulled out any African-American women. Eko says no, but if you look at the beginning of the scene, the first person Eko saves is a woman who looks to be perhaps African-American? Does this character have anything to do with Eko's cryptic remark to Jin about being married?

#81. Posted by: Jerson at November 23, 2005 2:16 AM

Ah, very good point Jerson. Remind me, what was Eko's cryptic remark to Jin?

#82. Posted by: Schmoking D at November 23, 2005 5:02 AM

Hey wont Ana Lucia feel bad when she discovers the list of the passengers the fronties have and that indeed Nathan was on the plane...

Maybe she will daught about her capacity as a leader.

#83. Posted by: samir at November 23, 2005 7:08 AM

http://www.tvsquad.com/images/2005/10/dharma_on_plane.png

here a picture of the dharmalogo on the plane!!!!

#84. Posted by: samir at November 23, 2005 8:18 AM

Jerson, when Jin asks Eko if he's married, Eko answers "worse." My conclusion was that he'd divorced (i.e. worse than being married because of alimony and whatnot). But, perhaps he is widowed. Or, perhaps he is a priest and is forbidden to get married, which he feels is a worse fate.

#85. Posted by: Trinity at November 23, 2005 12:31 PM

Samir, I have mentioned this before, but if you look closely at that symbol, it is not the Dharma logo. Sure, it is octagonal in shape, but the symbol on the plane mere consists of three octagonal figures, one inside the other. The Dharma logo is actually made up of Yin and Yang symbols from I Ching, each trigram symbol represents an element, such as wood, earth, fire, wind, etc. The broken-solid line pattern is clearly NOT present on the symbol on the plane....

#86. Posted by: Stocky at November 23, 2005 6:20 PM

Between 20 and 16 years ago, Sam Toomey and Leonard Simms were stationed on an island listening post with the US Navy in the Pacific.

There is a Radio Tower on the Island.

An Army Knife found on A bunch of 'others' wearing brown/khaki clothing.

I think its all linked somehow.

#87. Posted by: Chris at November 23, 2005 6:57 PM

kelvins last name is KENDELL NOT GOODWIN. thats wat desmond said

#88. Posted by: greg at November 26, 2005 10:48 AM

you guys should check out www.dharmasecrets.com
got some interesting findings that the ppl there found too!

#89. Posted by: shag at November 27, 2005 9:20 AM

I love Lost

#90. Posted by: Buzz at December 19, 2005 10:03 AM

WELL I THINK Ana-Lucia IS SO HOT WHAT DO U THINK.

#91. Posted by: MARIO at December 29, 2005 2:05 AM

Ok after i read some of your comments I realised i had to write this. Nathan IS NOT one of The Others. Goodwin says that he isn't when he and AL are on top of the mountain. When AL asks him if he killed Nathan, Goodwin says 'I had to kill him. If you'd cut off his finger that might have convinced you that he was on the plane. Thats why he had to die' (something along those lines). So please stop with the 'Nathan is one of the Others'...' GENIUS'. He isn't.

#92. Posted by: - Adrian - at January 30, 2006 5:40 PM

I don't like it that anna has died i realy like anna and she is a good character i do not like it that libby has died or shannon or boon i want them to come back alive again in lost but i still love lost.

#93. Posted by: bethany at May 17, 2006 1:36 PM

@mac: "He notes that the group needs to keep a signal fire burning to summon help. Goodwin agrees with Nathan, which sets off a chain reaction of mild descent across the group."

I think you mean "mild *dissent*".

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