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Key Points from "What Kate Did"

Season 2, Episode 9
Episode Air Date: 11/30/05

Point 1
Kate

Jack

Sawyer

I can't believe we won't have another episode until January.

Not now. Not with the excitement at a fever pitch. Screw the holidays! Screw the cheer! Take me to the doldrums of January now!

But wait we must. Fortunately, this episode was so chock full of hints and revelations, we'll have plenty to discuss in the long weeks ahead.

So let's get to it.

Now, it's well known that I don't like Kate. I've always thought her backstory was boring and I never really understood the point behind her character. Is she a love interest? A leader? A love-interest-leader?

But something changed. Perhaps its Ana-Lucia's constant sneer. Or maybe it's season two's hatch-Dharma-Tailies excitement. Whatever the reason, Kate isn't bothering me nearly as much this year. In fact, I'm willing to recant some of my previous criticism.

Some.

But enough with my Kate introspection ...

As you undoubtedly ascertained from the literal episode title, this episode is all about "What Kate Did." And what's that? In a nutshell: She killed her stepdad. Or was it her dad? Or was it her real dad, and then her stepdad came in when she was little and she thought that guy was her real dad, but then her stepdad left and her real dad became her stepdad? Right. That's it. But we'll get to that in a bit.

Anyway, the backstory segments in this episode reveal the beginning of Kate's life of crime. It all starts when she blows up her stepdad ... literally. Her no-good, smacking-her-mommy-around stepdad (his name is Wayne) comes home drunk one night and Kate, oddly, sits outside the home Wayne and her mom share, flicking a Zippo lighter open and shut. Wayne spills out of his pick-up truck and Kate helps him inside. She tosses him on the bed, then deftly avoids his leering glances and "compliments" ("You're so beautiful," he slurs repeatedly). Wayne passes out, Kate exits the house, hops on her motorcycle (yes, she's a biker), then putters off.

The camera shot lingers on the house. And lingers. Something is definitely going to happen to this house ... KABOOOM! The structure explodes in a fireball as the sound of Kate's motorcycle fades into the distance. Ohhhh. So that's what Kate did.

Now, a lot happened in this episode so I'm going to bolt through the backstory segments so we can get to the good stuff. Here's what we saw/learned:

  • Kate is an excellent tracker and a fine golfer (as witnessed last week), but she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Her "plan" to dispose of Wayne is perhaps the worst criminal caper in the history of crime. Consider these facts:

    1. Kate took out an insurance policy, in her mother's name, for the house she just blew up. As we all know, insurance fraud never happens, so I'm sure the feds would fail to make the connection.

    2. Wayne has been smacking Kate's mom around for years. This smacking has been documented through medical records (we know this because we see Kate's mom wearing a wrist brace in one of the backstory scenes). If Wayne suddenly dies in an unexplained explosion, vengeful family members become prime suspects. Good thinkin' Kate!

    3. After she blows Wayne and the house to Kingdom Come, Kate immediately putters her motorcycle over to the diner where her mom is working the late shift. There are a number of customers in the diner, which means that not only is this a public place, but this is a public place with witnesses in it. And what does Kate do? She hands the insurance policy to her mom, then proceeds to cause a scene by alluding to Wayne's death. Her mom, as you'd expect, isn't pleased with all this ambiguity, so she says, "Katherine, what did you do?" When she doesn't receive a response, mommy asks her question louder. And then she asks it louder still when Kate rushes out the door. Yeah. No one is gonna notice that.

    4. Kate leaves town. She took out an insurance policy and blew up the house and caused a scene in a public place, but then, and this is the kicker, she enhances her innocence by LEAVING TOWN. Oh Katie.

  • Despite all of her careful planning, Kate is soon apprehended. And who catches her? Why, the same U.S. Marshall we've seen in all of Kate's backstories! Remember, this Marshal is the guy who traveled all the way to Australia to nab Kate. He's also the guy who got clocked with a big metal briefcase during the plane crash, then suffered a nasty puncture wound, and then got shot by Sawyer during a botched mercy killing. Eventually, Jack put the Marshal out of his misery.

    So, the Marshal catches up to Kate shortly after she skips town (we know this because she's wearing the same Janis Joplin t-shirt she wore the night of the murder). The Marshal, accompanied by a number of other law enforcement types, grabs Kate in a bus station.

    "I didn't do anything," she protests.

    "Oh yeah you did. Your mama gave you up, Kate," the Marshal says gleefully.

    So Kate is handcuffed and seated in the front seat of the Marshal's sedan, which works out wonderfully because it allows the Marshal to outline everything that's ever happened to Kate and, more importantly, it gives Kate an excellent opportunity for escape. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

    And so night falls and rain pelts down as the Marshal makes the long trip back to Iowa (I have no idea where Kate was caught, but it must have been a long way from her home state). The Marshal asks Kate why she chose this time to kill Wayne -- after all, that no-good loser-drunk stepdad had been smacking her mom around for years. So why now? Kate doesn't want to admit guilt, so she keeps her mouth shut (thus marking the first "smart" criminal thing she's done). "He ever come knockin' on your door late at night?" the Marshal asks, an unlit cigarette dangling from his mouth. "He never touched me," Kate sneers (maybe she learned that from Ana?). Kate stares at the Marshal. The Marshal stares at the Kate. No one is staring at the road ...

    And that presents a problem because there's a big horse in the middle of the highway. Kate looks up and screams "look out!" The Marshal veers off the road, sending the car bouncing over deep pot holes. The car careens forward and smacks into a low pole. The airbags deploy. Kate looks up and sees the Marshal's head is still buried in the bag, so she leans over and grabs his keys. He comes to and tries to grab Kate, but she pops him across the jaw and kicks him from the car. She slides into the driver's seat, slaps the car into reverse and prepares to take off ... but before she embarks on her Felonious Life of Adventure, she takes a look out the window and sees a black horse standing a few yards off. The horse whinnies (on cue) then runs away.

  • Later in the episode, On-the-Run Kate drops by an Army recruiting office to visit her dad. He's one of those tough-but-loving military types, and he's both happy and horrified that his criminal daughter has just walked into his place of employment. That horror intensifies when Kate drops this little bombshell: She knows he's not her real father.

    Come again? It turns out that a birthday gift Kate was working on for her dad -- a scrapbook -- unearthed her family's dirty little secret. She obtained pictures of her dad's days serving in Korea and she noted that the dates on the back went all the way up until four months before her birth. Now, considering that the human gestation period is nine months, you can see where a slight discrepancy would arise. If Kate's dad wasn't around, yet Kate was born, Kate's dad isn't her dad.

    So who is?

    Well, that would be Wayne.

    That's right! Kate discovered that the man she thought was her stepdad was, in fact, her biological father. Her stepfather -- the man she grew up believing was her real dad -- had stepped into the dad role, but his marriage to Kate's mom dissolved when Katie was five. Got all that?

    At the conclusion of this scene, Kate asks: "Why didn't you tell me that Wayne was my father?"

    "I didn't tell you because I knew you'd kill him," her father/stepfather responds.

    But Kate isn't done. "So why didn't you kill him?" she asks.

    And stepdad/dad responds with this Dr. Phil moment: "Because I don't have murder in my heart."

    Ohhhh. That's gonna take a lot of therapy.

Alright, so that's the backstory stuff. Let's get back to island events.

Last week we watched as Kate and Jack took turns caring for Sawyer. The duo is doing the same thing this week, but they've staggered their shifts. Early on, Kate takes a respite from Sawyer's bedside to round up food for the fallen redneck. She heads out into the jungle to gather fruit, but her apple-picking excursion is cut short when she looks up and sees ...

... a big black horse standing in the middle of the jungle.

The appearance of the horse, an equine symbol from her tumultuous past, sends Kate into a tailspin for the rest of the episode. She doesn't know if she's insane or tired or a little bit of both.

Now, Sawyer doesn't exactly help with Kate's pursuit of sanity. But before I get to that, I need to fill in a little gap.

Very early in the episode, Jack is alone with Sawyer. As Jack tends to Sawyer's bullet wound, Sawyer groggily mumbles a few things: "Where is she ... Where is she? ... Love her ... I love her ..." Jack, who hears all of this, believes Sawyer is talking about Kate.

So, with this in mind, we fast-forward to a later scene. Jack, Locke and the rest of Team Hatch have all left to attend Shannon's funeral (more on that later), so Kate sits alone with Sawyer and Sawyer does his mumbling thing again. Kate leans in close. "Good for nothing ..." Sawyer mumbles. Kate leans in closer. Sawyer's eyes snap open and he grabs Kate's throat. "You killed me! Why did you kill me?" he screams. I guess those antibiotics kicked in ...

Later, Jack and Locke return to the hatch to find three things:

  1. Kate is gone.
  2. Sawyer is sprawled, unconscious, next to his bed.
  3. The hatch countdown is quickly approaching zero.
Jack runs to check on Sawyer while Locke darts toward the computer. The alarm sounds as Locke types in the numbers: 4 8 15 16 -- the clock hits 22 -- 22, crap, 23, 42, EXECUTE!

Locke beats the clock with a second to spare. Lickity split.

Later, with Sawyer back in bed and the hatch countdown properly reset, Jack goes searching for Kate. He finally finds her sitting alone in the jungle. "What the hell are you doing out here?" he asks.

Kate does her usual pouty non-answer thing. "I'm sorry," she says as she gets up to leave. "Are you?" Jack counters. She turns away and Jack snares her arm. She struggles, but Jack pulls her into an embrace. Kate's anger fades and, for the first time, Kate acknowledges the ridiculousness of this wacked out island. "This place is crazy," she weeps. "It's driving me nuts." Jack calms her down. The two stare into each other's eyes ... they keep staring ... you know where this is going, right? Kate grabs Jack's face and plants her lips on his. For a few seconds, the pair swap spit and 50 days of bad breath, then Kate breaks off, takes a step back and rushes away. Jack stands alone in the jungle, bewildered.

Now here's where things get really weird. Later, Kate returns to the hatch and approaches Sawyer's bedside. Sun had been watching over him, but when Kate appears, Sun quickly relinquishes Sawyer duty and scampers off. So Kate is alone with the guy who, just recently, clenched her throat and accused her of killing him. And what does Kate do? She gets right up in his face. You see, little Katie's got a theory. She believes that Sawyer has been inhabited by Wayne. No, really. She's concluded that Wayne was the one who made Sawyer grab her throat and Wayne was the one accusing her of murder. Ooookay.

So, now that she's got a captive audience with "Wayne," Kate decides to stage a Cathartic Moment. She sits over Sawyer (he's unconscious ... again) and starts speaking to her dead father.

"Wayne?" Kate says softly. "I'm probably crazy. And this doesn't matter. But maybe you're in there. Somehow you asked me a question. You asked me why I did it ... It wasn't 'cause you drove my father away, or the way you looked at me, or because you beat her. It was 'cause I hated that you were a part of me. That I would never be good. That I would never have anything good. And every time that I look at Sawyer, every time I feel something for him, I see you Wayne! It makes me sick!"

And this is when we're treated to one of the best lines in series history ...

"That's about the sweetest thing I've ever heard," Sawyer says as he slowly opens his eyes. "Who the hell is Wayne?"

And with that, Sawyer steps out of the metaphorical woods.

Sometime later, Kate helps Sawyer up from his bed. He's shocked by his surroundings -- remember, he's never actually seen the hatch -- and at first he believes they've been rescued. But Kate brings him outside and Sawyer's rescue reverie is quickly extinguished. Kate seats Sawyer on a log and the two engage in a little you-were-almost-dead-but-now-you're-not flirting. Suddenly, Sawyer gets a puzzled expression as he looks beyond Kate's shoulder. Kate turns and sees ... the big black horse standing in the jungle. She walks up to the beast and it bows its head to greet her. Sawyer takes note of Kate's horse whisperer abilities.

"You know that horse, Freckles?" Sawyer asks.

"Yeah, I do," Kate answers. "You see, I saw this very same horse after I was first arrested. It was standing in the middle of the road and the Marshal -- you remember, the guy you shot -- well, he didn't see it fast enough so he zoomed off the road and we crashed into this pole and then I kicked him in the chest and he fell out of the car. So I stole the car and drove off and then I somehow ended up cleaning barns in Australia, but the Marshal found me and he was bringing me back to Los Angeles aboard Oceanic 815 but then we crashed and now we're here. So, yeah, I guess you could say I know this horse."

And so that's it with the Kate stuff. One sidenote worth mentioning: Kate's horse whisperer thing is somewhat similar to Sawyer's boar-hunting epiphany. Way back in "Outlaws," Sawyer spent the majority of the episode hunting a boar that he swore was chasing him. In the end, Sawyer had the chance to kill the boar, but he held back because he saw "something" in that boar's eyes. The backstory in that episode chronicled Sawyer's search for the man who destroyed his family, so, like Kate, he has both a messy family history and a weird connection to island beasts. Coincidence?

Point 2
Locke

Eko

Michael

This week, Locke and Eko watch a movie. Wait. Check that. They watch the movie. You'll recall that earlier this season ("Orientation"), Locke and Jack received a quick-and-dirty education on the Dharma Initiative courtesy of a spliced Dharma instructional film. In this episode, Michael starts asking Locke questions about the hatch and Dharma and all this other hoo-ha. Locke, realizing that a full explanation would take hours, invites Michael to watch the movie.

"I would like to see it too," Eko says as he suddenly appears nearby. "If you don't mind."

And so the threesome sit down to watch "The Dharma Story." We see the same bits we saw before: the one-armed narrator, Dr. Marvin Candle, talks about the Initiative and the hatch and the "incident." At the end, Michael expresses confusion and doubt. He notes that the film doesn't explain why they have to push the button every 108 minutes. Moreover, he says there seemed to be a lot of splices. As Michael and Locke talk, the camera slowly closes in on Eko as he stares intently at the blank movie screen. The camera comes closer and closer and Eko's stare intensifies. Clearly, something very, very big is about to happen.

"So what do you think?" Locke asks Eko.

Eko, without a word, rises, stares at Locke, then silently walks into an adjacent room.

Sometime later, Locke walks into the hatch's kitchen/dining area and sees Eko patiently sitting at the table. A package wrapped in cloth is in front of him.

"I have something I think you should see," Eko says.

And oh my, does this ever get good ...

Eko calmly begins to tell Locke a story. He "begins at the beginning" and says that this tale is about Josiah, an ancient king who ruled Judah. The people of Judah had been worshipping at a ruined temple, which led them to look toward "false gods." The kingdom was in disarray and Josiah told his secretary that they must rebuild the temple. The secretary was instructed to take the gold from the treasury and give it to the workers so the temple would be reconstructed. But the secretary returned without any gold.

"And when Josiah asked why this was, the secretary replied ... ," Eko stops, looks down at the package before him, the looks back up at Locke, "... 'we found a book.'"

That book, Eko says, was the Book of Law.

"You may know it as the Old Testament," Eko continues. "And it was with that ancient book, not with the gold, that Josiah rebuilt the temple."

Eko begins to slowly unwrap the package. He tells Locke that the Tailies found another hatch on the other side of the island, and in that hatch "we found a book."

He slides the unwrapped package toward Locke. There, lying before them, is the same Bible Eko found in "The Other 48 Days."

"I believe what's inside there will be of great value to you," Eko says.

Locke, thinking Eko is trying to convert him, casually leafs through the first few pages. But then he discovers that Eko was being literal -- when he meant "inside" he meant "inside." The center section of the book is carved out and there, nestled within a hole is a small role of movie film.

Locke unspools a strand, then holds it up to the light. There, looking back at him in all his Dharma glory, is the face of Dr. Marvin Candle! It's the Dharma film! And this one is intact!

Locke enlists Eko's help in splicing the new film with the original (I'm not sure why they didn't just watch the undamaged film). During their editing session, Locke marvels at this situation: Someone originally made the film, someone else cut a section out, and now, two survivors from two halves of the same plane come together with the missing link. "What are the odds?" Locke asks.

"Don't mistake coincidence for fate," Eko says.

Locke looks at Eko adoringly. Ahh, fate.

With the film re-edited, Locke and Eko return to the screening room to premiere "The Dharma Story: The Director's Cut." The film plays out normally, but toward the end Locke perks up as the newly inserted footage begins to work its way through the projector.

"Do not attempt to use the computer for anything else other than the entering of the code," warns Dr. Candle. "This is its only function. The isolation that attends the duties associated with Station 3 may tempt you to try and utilize the computer for communication with the outside world. This is strictly forbidden. Attempting to use the computer in this manner will compromise the integrity of the project and, worse, could lead to another incident. I repeat. Do not use the computer for anything other than entering the code."

Locke switches off the projector. He looks at Eko. Eko looks at him. And this segues to ...

Point 3
Michael

computer

... the next room.

The scene shifts to the hatch control room where Michael is intently studying the various wires and hook-ups surrounding the computer. As he fiddles with a bundle of cables, a soft tone rings out (it sounds like the "ding!" in those Southwest Airlines commercials). Michael looks around. The tone sounds a second time ... and a third. Michael walks toward the computer screen. The tone rings. He looks down at the monochrome display and sees:

Hello?

>:

Uh. oh.

Having not seen the new Dharma footage, Michael takes a seat and types:

>: Hello?

And that leads to this whopper ...

Who is this?

>: This is Michael. Who is this?

Wait for it ...

Dad?
Whoa!

Point 4
Sayid

Shannon
Shannon is still dead. Being such, the castaways bury her this week. Sayid tries to lead a funeral service, but he's only able to croak out a few words -- the most important being "I loved her."

In a later scene between Charlie and Kate, Charlie notes that Ana-Lucia did not attend the funeral. "A few of them came, the new people," he says. "Not her. The one who killed Shannon. That would have been a bit awkward."

Well put, Charlie.

Point 5
Jin

Sun
The joyous reunion of Jin and Sun seen in "Collision" carried over to this episode. In fact, these two are about as happy as two people can be. The episode opens with Jin and Sun emerging from the same tent, both sporting grins. Hurley spots the pair and gives them the thumbs up.

This episode also includes an important sartorial development for Jin; he's no longer burdened by that handcuff accessory (that was so Season One). Locke, using tools in the hatch, cuts him free. As Jin moves to leave the hatch, he flashes the handcuff at Michael. "Yeah man, looks good," Michael chuckles. (Remember, Michael slapped the handcuff on Jin following their fight in "House of the Rising Sun").

Point 6
Jack

Ana-Lucia
If life was like television we'd never have to worry about awkward pauses or weird transitions. We'd simply cut the scene then move on.

Take, for example, the conclusion to last week's episode. Jack and Ana-Lucia had just come face to face for the first time since the airport bar. He looked at her. She looked at him. The both looked concerned ... then BOOM! end of episode.

Somewhere between that moment and this episode the duo broke off their staring match. Maybe they said something ("Hey? What's up?" "Nuthin'." You?" "Nuthin'. Kinda sucks you shot Shannon." "Yeah. My bad."). Maybe they walked back together. Maybe they made out. We just don't know.

Nonetheless, in this episode we see that Jack and Ana still have eyes for each other. Ana-Lucia sits alone on the beach, whittling a big stick into a big pointy stick. She's intentionally keeping her distance from the group, which seems wise since she just killed one of the regulars. Jack strolls toward her with four mini-bottles of tequila in his hands. "Tequila and tonic, that's your drink, right?" he asks with aplomb.

"Where's the tonic?" Ana-Lucia retorts.

"We're running a little low on mixers," he says.

Jack takes a seat and suddenly the sneer disappears from Ana's face. She asks if he's going to try to convince her that she's not hated by the entire group. Jack, who just kissed Kate then watched her run away, has the perfect response: "Only if you're gonna try to convince me that every woman in the world's not crazy."

Ana smiles and takes a bottle.

Point 7
Island

We'll close with a few island observations:
  • Locke tells Michael that the computer in the hatch does not accept any data until the alarm goes off at the four-minute mark. This precludes the castaways from entering the numbers in advance then hitting the Execute button when the alarm sounds. Apparently, Dharma didn't believe in planning ahead.

  • Sayid confirms to Kate that he saw Walt just before Shannon was shot.

  • The island cemetery now has three graves: Boone, Shannon and the unseen castaway Evil Ethan killed in "Homecoming."
That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.
Next Episode:
"Everybody Hates Hugo" (repeat) -- Settle in. We're stuck with repeats until January. Airs: Wednesday, Dec. 7, 9 p.m., ABC.


Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on December 1, 2005 10:31 AM |




If you see the second hourse scene in te jungle you can see a hand of someone trying to get the horses attention.

:)

First post! :P

#1. Posted by: dinopio at December 1, 2005 10:52 AM

The horse that ran out in front of the car was white not black. The one that was looking at her and was on the island was black (thank you tivo).

Obviously a play on the black and white theme.

Another great review, thanks!

#2. Posted by: Eric at December 1, 2005 10:57 AM

There are more than three graves... The Marshall was buried as well, maybe not with the other three, but he is in a grave.
I also wondered why Eko and Locke didn't just watch the intact film, why bother splicing it with the old one?
Does anyone else think the DeGroots and other Dharma people are the "Others", maybe working from some other bunker elsewhere on the Island?

#3. Posted by: sarah at December 1, 2005 10:58 AM

Excellent synopsis, as usual, Mac. I missed the first half hour, so I needed this.

I have a quibble. I don't think Locke looked at Eko "adoringly", or in any other positive fashion, when he said "Don't mistake coincidence for fate". I saw challenge flash in Locke's eyes, and a suppressed urge to fire a retort, which faded away in the face of Eko's unflinching gaze.

It would seem the Eko character is there to challenge Locke's Alpha Island Mystic status. Between the writers and the casting director, a situation with real deep dramatic potential has been set up here. I'm dying for Eko's backstory at this point.

#4. Posted by: Deep Cover at December 1, 2005 11:00 AM

Do you think the third grave is Ethan? I think its scott/steve.

The Kate story was incoherant.

I want to warm up to Ana, but i cant.

Eko, however, is the MAN! My heart leapt when he started speaking of the righteous King Josiah, whose rediscovery of the Torah is one of my favorite stories in the Hebrew scriptures.(2Kings22) . The writers got it wrong of course, it was not the old testament Josiah found...it was the books of Moses,(the Torah)Josiah was king circa 640-609 B.C. and the old testament would not take its present form for centuries.(Yea, I am a pedantic nitpicker for biblical accuracy)

Glad to see Sawyer up again, ready for him to take center stage again,. Hopefully we will NOT get a kinder,gentler Sawyer.

Love your blog!

#5. Posted by: debbie at December 1, 2005 11:06 AM

I could use a little help on the body count/grave sites. Here's what I've got thus far:

The first batch of bodies was burned on the beach early in Season 1.

By the beach we've got Boone, Shannon and Scott/Steve

Up on the hill (near the golf course?), we've got Ethan.

Where's the Marshal?

Goodwin is still stuck on a stick on the other side of the island.

Nathan's body has not been found.

Anyone else? Do I have these wrong?

Wow, what a morbid post ;)

#6. Posted by: mac at December 1, 2005 11:11 AM

Forgot to say the best part of the show was the teaser for next episode(not til jan)...looks like an Eko show. Looks like he is the one who breaks the Mary statue.....so he knows what is in it. There has been speculation Eko was on the island before, and perhaps was in the beechcraft. Maybe he is a legitimate priest who was unknowingly used by drug runners...who knows..

#7. Posted by: debbie at December 1, 2005 11:16 AM

Again, good review. I especially liked Hugo's comment to Jack while he was cutting wood. The comment of Bernard being white, Did not see that coming. But also he refers again to his time in the Sych ward. The numbers that he received from one of the inmates. You would think the survivors would piece together that the person that gave him the numbers in the ward was more a part of the Dharma project then lead to believe. He said that the individual was with another person during that time and when he went looking for him he was dead. It has been awhile since I have seen that episode, so I could be wrong. Maybe I am reaching, but nothing in this show would surprise me anymore. I really like the interaction between Locke and Eko. Now all we have t do is some more waiting AGAIN to see what else happens.

#8. Posted by: Jon at December 1, 2005 11:25 AM

Where is Desmond?

#9. Posted by: Miller at December 1, 2005 11:25 AM

Also, what about Michael pointing out that there are blast walls? Seems like a strong incentive to continue entering the number?

#10. Posted by: Miller at December 1, 2005 11:30 AM

i think they spliced together the films because the one eko had was not the entire film, but the part that was cut out of the first film, and intentionally put on the other side of the island.
hence the discussion of coincidence vs fate.

man, i love this show.

#11. Posted by: anu at December 1, 2005 11:35 AM

Why do folks think that Eko's Bible contained a complete, intact orientation film? I thought it was just a splice taken from the original. You wouldn't watch just the splice, because it would start and end mid-sentence.

My guess is that there are more splices from the film scattered all around the island. But why? And where is the orientation film for the Arrow bunker?

God, I love this show.

#12. Posted by: Jeremy at December 1, 2005 11:37 AM

I assumed that the extra footage in the Bible was only a missing piece, not the entire Orientation video. There are several other abrubt changes in the video, so there may be more missing pieces scattered about the island (maybe in other undiscovered hatches?).

#13. Posted by: Mark at December 1, 2005 11:38 AM

The reason they didn't just watch the second film is because the second one wasn't intact, either--it was the piece that was spliced out of the first film. That's why they had to splice them back together, and why Locke was so entranced by the coincidence that the two pieces of the same film would be reunited from different sides of the island.

#14. Posted by: Sweth at December 1, 2005 11:40 AM

It seems that the whole Dharma Initiative video is available for viewing at the hansofoundation site. It reveals A LOT. I'm sort of bummed that I watched it. Watch with caution.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

#15. Posted by: mamazinnia at December 1, 2005 11:50 AM

One addition to those deceased island survivors. Joanna, the diver who got swept away in the current and drowned.

#16. Posted by: Sean at December 1, 2005 12:00 PM

Last season, many of the back stories were about fathers (who are powerful and/or corrupt -- Locke's, Sun's, Jack's), but lately there seems to be a shift to mothers (who betray their child -- Locke's, Kate's, Shannon's).

Many of the castaways struggle with parental issues as a result: Kate, Locke, and Jack; but also Jin (being a bad son), Sawyer (avenging his parents), Hurley (mama is mean), Michael (not abandoning his son), Claire (being a good mother), Rousseau (protecting her child) and Ana-Lucia (the loss of her child).

On a different theme, there's the increasing number of castaways who have committed murder (or allowed death): Sawyer, Kate, Ana-Lucia, Charlie, Eko, Jack, Sayid and Bree (oops, sorry, wrong show).

#17. Posted by: Chad at December 1, 2005 12:43 PM

Eko told to Locke about Josiah and fixing the temple...considering the content of this story (and the fact that some sort of salvation is found "in" the Bible...even for Lost, a little hokey), I think it was also done to convey the idea that these people are not going to need some extravagant way to get rescued or get off the island...that the answers are there in front of them...I dunno?

At the very end...with who appears to be Walt writing back to Michael on the computer...the clock stopped at 51...which is one of the three digits in flight 815...but that is a stretch...


Eko said "don't confuse coincidence with fate"...interesting statement from someone who appears to be devoutly religious...a character written as an allegory to Moses...


It was, indeed, a white horse that ran in front of the car with Kate and the marshall...I thought I was crazy last night b/c I don't have TIVO to check, but, now I see, like Kate, I am not crazy after all... :)

BTW...Kate's last name is Austen...a possible reference to Jane Austen (sp?) the writer...another radical, just like Kate....that might also be soooooo season one, but I just put the two together...

#18. Posted by: vikki at December 1, 2005 12:44 PM

Mamazinnia--The film on the Hanso Foundation website is the same one they originally showed (without this week's slicing and dicing by Locke). Did I go to the wrong place?

#19. Posted by: Jen at December 1, 2005 12:46 PM

mac a great review as always.
i too am loving LOVING the locke/eko relationship. eko may prove to be my favorite character on the show (ok i'm always going to lust after sawyer cause well...look at him!).
i can't understand the jack analucia realtionship. there has to be more then we don't know, i mean seriously how could anyone be attracted to a sneering, crazy big toothed woman even on that island?
kate bugs me, why did she make out with jack? i'm a girl and i don't even understand that. perhaps it was just the moment and that he was trying to comfort her...i dunno i still don't get her. speaking of kate forgive me, but she killed her stepdad/real dad soooooo where did the exboyfriend and the plane happen? i'm lost (ha ha).
L~

#20. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at December 1, 2005 12:48 PM

What is still bothering me is they have been on the Island for almost 50 days and still Hurley has not lost any weight, and is it me or is Kate starting to work out a little to much because her physic has changed so much from the day we saw her half naked on the beach last season. And for the record Michelle Rodriguez is a HOTTIE. Her character is just misunderstood right now and she has allot of healing from the shooting bother before the flight and now after.

#21. Posted by: Jon at December 1, 2005 1:17 PM

A follow up on the many people on the island have commited murder thing.
Didn't Goodwin say Nathan wasn't a good person, and that's why they weren't taken by the others? Maybe the people not taken by the others have commited a crime (such as murder) or maybe even a crime against the bible/commandments (but that would be really weird).
About the previews for the next episode, i smell an Eko-centric episode.
Thanks for the hilarious summaries!

#22. Posted by: Kate at December 1, 2005 1:39 PM

Other boards are mentioning that Sayid was on the TV in the background when Kate is visiting her Army dad/stepdad in the recruiting office. Anyone notice it? Screen caps are at lost-media.com

#23. Posted by: lostinsandwich at December 1, 2005 1:42 PM

Was that Sayid or was it Desmond? I couldn't tell from the screen cap.

#24. Posted by: mac at December 1, 2005 1:44 PM

Just wanted to say that you missed in the part where Kate was bringing her dad into the house, he stated to her that something smelled awful, but she brushed it off as his breath or something like that. We know now that it was gas fumes. Not any big storybuster, but it kind of led up to the final realization of the explosion.

#25. Posted by: Brian at December 1, 2005 1:46 PM

The horse in this episode was never white. It appears white as it runs in front of the car, but it is because of the reflection of the headlights on his shiny black coat. (Thank you Tivo, if watch it in slo-motion you can see it).

I love reading these reviews and comments after watching the episodes.

#26. Posted by: Jason at December 1, 2005 1:54 PM

I don't know if anyone caught it. But when Kate went to visit her father (step-dad) at the Recruiter's Office, there was a television showing news about the First Gulf War that showed Sayid being captured and escorted by military personel. Thought it was interesting and showed a weak-character backstory previously met or seen each other back story.

#27. Posted by: Sam at December 1, 2005 1:56 PM

I totally believe there are other spliced portions of the film scattered around the island. Remember there are 6 bunkers and we've only seen 2 so far. Also, I swear (along with Jason) the horse is black, or at least very dark brown.

Here's a new speculation: Anybody notice the license plate on the Marshal's car was a New York plate? Also, it looks suspiciously like the one that hit Michael in season one (same color, same make/model perhaps). And, the accident happened in New York. Now, I can't recall exactly how long ago Kate's original crime occured, but Michael was hit 9 or so years ago (Walt is ten, accident occured when he was around a year old). See where I'm heading with this?
KATE HIT MICHAEL!!!! She was driving the stolen car and I'm pretty sure looking where she was going was not one of her main concerns!

#28. Posted by: Trinity at December 1, 2005 2:21 PM

I thought the three graves were Shannon, Boone and the lady that drowned. Then I was thinking and the Marshal, did he get a grave or was he burned. I didn't think that Ethan had a grave, but now I sort of remember them digging one. If so, what happened to the drowned ladies body and the Marshal.

#29. Posted by: Angie at December 1, 2005 4:02 PM

The spliced section specifically refers to Station 3 ("The isolation that attends the duties associated with Station 3 may tempt you to try and utilize the computer for communication with the outside world."). I think an interesting question in the coming epsiodes will be why has someone cut up the film, and placed in different stations? Did someone want whoever was at the computer to use it for communications?

#30. Posted by: Lostie at December 1, 2005 4:27 PM

Great review again. Love the site. You know what would be a great addition to the Lost Blog? A section devoted completely to the backstories of the characters so if you wanted to find everything that related to Jack, you could click on him and read all the bits of his backstory combined into one coherent narrative. Just an idea. Also a section devoted to what we know about hanso would be good too. Including what other pieces are missing from the film.

Anyway, just a thought. I know that would be very time consuming but I think it would be great resource. My apologies if this already exists on this site or elsewwhere.

#31. Posted by: Jrealistic at December 1, 2005 6:03 PM

Just wanted to say I love your reviews. Everything I wanted to say (including the horse being black :-)) has been said already.

I watch Locke and Eko and I keep getting this big toothy grin on my face. I just love the charisma of these two. And put them in a room together and they're even better. Where do they find these guys?

Nice to see a different expression on Ana's face. Was it because of something that transpired after the end of the last episode? DID they make out? :-D

#32. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 1, 2005 6:09 PM

If you are looking for the burial place for the marshall he is buried on the edge of the forest or something in the forest b/c in an episode in season 1 when Kate and Jack are looking for the key to the haliburton case, they have to dig up the marshall's body(man that was gross!). you see that he is buried in the forest. i wish i had tivo! then i could look up all this stuff! o well, i'll just take ur word for it. i love kate and jack together! they r soo cute! but i hope she doesnt start likeing Sawyer b/c he's not Jack! o well!

#33. Posted by: Emily at December 1, 2005 6:31 PM

The third grave is the front-section member that Ethan killed, although I cannot recall his name. Obviously they couldn't recover the body of the woman who drowned and the marshall is buried someplace else. So the denizens who reside in the makeshift grave site are Boone, Shannon, and the guy who Ethan killed.

In reference to the film, it was indeed two parts of the same strip for Station 3 and there appear to be other parts missing (most noticably at the end of the new spliced section [Dr. Marvin's face/expressions change completely]). Further, perhaps the Bible was either Kelvin's (Desmond's partner who is described as dead but might not be) or Kelvin's partner (who was absent by the time Desmond got there). I'm sure they'll find more sections of the film strips or a complete film as the series goes on.

Also, a little gripe, I hope they only play the "timer counting down and numbers entered in right before 0" shtick. There is only so many times they do it "just-in-time" before it becomes some sort of hokey action movie where the character has a clip a wire on a bomb before the timer reaches zero.

#34. Posted by: acecman at December 1, 2005 6:50 PM

I do have something to say! I rewatched the whole section of the show in slow motion/frame by frame where Kate walks into the Recruiter's office to see her "Dad" to tell him that she knows he's not her real Dad. There may be a radio on but there is no TV with either Sayid's face or Desmond's. There is another recruiter who has a jarhead haircut but he looks more like Jack than Sayid or Desmond (But it's not Jack)in the background speaking to someone who is not facing the door and there is a young man in the waiting area. There is no picture on the wall of Sayid or Desmond. So that's not NOT a connection between Kate and Sayid in the past.

Also, I thought it was interesting when Sawyer woke up he said, "Are we saved?" It was like a Christian Religious momment for me. "Are we (Sawyer and Kate) saved like from "our sins!"

This is my favorite site. I love everyone's prespective on the show. Keep up the good work, Mac! Enjoy some other good TV while we have to wait for LOST! (Does anyone know of any other good TV shows?)

#35. Posted by: mommyloveslost at December 1, 2005 7:07 PM

There definately is a television behind Kate's father and Sayid is definately on it. I've seen it every time I've watched the episode. Also, here it is up close for you. Here's a wensite that shows it. http://lost.cubit.net/pics/sayidArmyOffice.jpg?
PHPSESSID=256608afadab5cccb3226e58684a9403

#36. Posted by: Sam at December 1, 2005 7:20 PM

How weird would it be if (stick with me here) Kate and Sawyer were related? When she was talking to Wayne through Sawyer she says that she sees Wayne in Sawyer...what if it's because Sawyer is Wayne's son???

#37. Posted by: UNCAngel08 at December 1, 2005 7:59 PM

You're right about the TV. I was looking behind her Dad's desk. Also, my TV isn't wide screen so I can see about 1/4 of the TV while your picture shows the whole screen. Thanks for pointing this out to me and my sincere apologies...

#38. Posted by: mommyloveslost at December 1, 2005 8:53 PM

Leslie Nielson is Alvar Hanso !

...Ok, on a serious note- after visiting the Hanso Foudation website and seeing the life expansion interest, anyone ever hear of the INTEGRATRON ? ... in the desert of Landers, California ???? holy cow !

furyroad

#39. Posted by: furyroad at December 1, 2005 10:09 PM

"The Integratron is a machine, a high-voltage electrostatic generator that would supply a broad range of frequencies to recharge the cell structure."

www.Integratron.com

Dedicated to research in life expansion...

#40. Posted by: fury road at December 1, 2005 10:33 PM

Sorry if this is old news, but is the link from the Alvar Hanso photo new?

#41. Posted by: costa blue at December 1, 2005 11:52 PM

Two things. The first is that the section of film that Eko gave to Locke was respliced to the original film because it was most likely too short to just run through the projector alone. It's been awhile, but I can remember loading films onto a projector like that and it took alot of film just to feed it through from the full reel, through the projector and then to the empty reel on the back. Also, because of the need to feed the film through the projector, they would not have been able to see the first few seconds of the splice which could contain important info.

The second thing is I also remember my father buying a radio shack trs80 computer back in '79 or '80. If I'm not mistaken, this is the same computer in the bunker that is used to enter the code and reset the countdown. I don't remember being able to use it to comminicate with other computers like it was instant messaging on aol. Granted, it could have been modified with a modem and whatever else it would need in order to do that, but it sure doesn't look like it. And, I'll admit, I'm not computer literate at all, and I could be mistaken, but I think that the only upgrade to a trs80 that would allow email and instant message-like capabilities would require getting rid of the trs80 and replacing it. Plus, I didn't see any phone lines running through the trees in the jungle. Of course they could be buried and connected to the transmitter that the French broad was talking about, but if that were the case, I'm sure AOL would find out and file suit(ha ha?).

I love the recaps and can't wait to read other fan's ideas about what is going on with the show. Thanks, Mac, and everybody else who shares their thoughts and insights.

#42. Posted by: curtis at December 2, 2005 1:24 AM

Did anyone notice that the new section of the orientation film seems to have been filmed at a later date than the rest of the film?

I think that the "missing" sections of the film were originally supposed to have been simply worn out from being watched too many times over the years. But then the writer of this episode decided that discovering new footage would be a dramatic development and a neat way to begin the interaction between Locke & Ekcol, which it was, but I'm disappointed in the half-assed effort they put into matching the new footage with the old.

#43. Posted by: greg_degroot at December 2, 2005 1:53 AM

Marvin Candle was the voice of Quick Kick from G.I. Joe. Cool.

#44. Posted by: gijoe at December 2, 2005 2:07 AM

Whoops! I totally forgot about the cable Sayid found and followed to the French woman.

#45. Posted by: curtis at December 2, 2005 3:47 AM

I missed this episode, so thanks, as always, for the great summary and posts.

Can anyone tell me if Mr. Eko has ever been called by name by any of the other characters? I know he is named on the ABC website, etc., but it always seemed weird to me that he never introduced himself as, "Hi, my name is Mr. Eko".

Since I missed this episode, it was probably the one where he does that.

#46. Posted by: jerson at December 2, 2005 7:13 AM

I agree with greg d; the new splice doesn't look the same as the rest of the orientation film. Was that intentional, maybe another part of the B.F. Skinner social experiment to get people to push the button?

#47. Posted by: vigor at December 2, 2005 8:55 AM

It's not particularly relevant what kind/brand of computer is sitting on that desk. It is quite obviously connected to the large mainframe units behind it. Mainframes like that were designed to be interfaced with through dead terminals, and supply all of their own programming. Mainframes like that can, and did, have email and instant communication/chatlike programs written for them decades ago. I know, because my dad did exactly that for a living.

There's no particular reason to believe Candle when he says that entering the numbers is the computer's only function. He contradicts himself in the very next instant when he says that using it for communication could cause another 'incident'. The computer certainly does have other functions. He just doesn't want his button-pushers using them.

With the surviviors finding a large technical complex, solving riddles and finding scraps of video clues, "Lost" is reminding me more of "Myst" every week.

#48. Posted by: Deep Cover at December 2, 2005 9:12 AM

Acecman's complaint about the "entering the number right before it zero" made me think of something. Is it possible that they didn't enter the number in time? Could that be the reason why the computer said hello instead of Michael touching the wires? The comunication with "Walt" was during countdown following the time they almost missed (or maybe not) entering the number.

#49. Posted by: Miller at December 2, 2005 9:48 AM

Instead of what Kate Did..., look what Ana and Libby did... check out this site. DUI's! http://apnews.myway.com//article/20051202/D8E865I0D.html

#50. Posted by: Dusten at December 2, 2005 10:52 AM

Did anyone else notice that the countdown timer seemed to stop when Walt began messaging Michael? It appeared to be stuck on 51.

#51. Posted by: Trinity at December 2, 2005 11:53 AM

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html has a new teaser! click on alvaro's pic

#52. Posted by: dinopio at December 2, 2005 2:00 PM

The real question here is:
Why isn't there an explanatory video for the "Arrow" Station? I hope they find that one too.

I really thought there would be one inside the Bible, but i was pretty surprised when Locke and Eko were tryng to put the films together, showing us it was the same ol' video.

Nice episode, but it's a pity we'll have to wait til January. I'm also a believer that there's an Eko episode upcoming, next episode is 'for now' titled as "The 23rd Psalm", so there's a hint.

#53. Posted by: Charlie at December 2, 2005 8:50 PM

I also caught that Kate's last name is Austen (did we know that from last season?). The detective says "Kate Austen, you're under arrest for murder". And also the name plate on her father's desk at the recruiting station was "SGT. SAM AUSTEN".

But I don't get why her father said he didn't tell her that her biological father was Wayne because she'd kill him. Is that normal to want to kill your real father when you find out it's not who you thought (even though your mother remarried to him)? And why would she even consider that Sam would think of killing him? That just doesn't make sense.

#54. Posted by: Ardie at December 2, 2005 11:19 PM

Thanks for the clarification, Deep Cover. I had no idea computers were capable of those thing that long ago. Interesting. Do you know any specifics about how it worked? Could you communicate with other mainframes or just computers connected to the same mainframe? I'm honestly curious and it might also give us a clue to wether or not Walt is in another bunker somewhere on another part of the island or somewhere else like a neighboring island.
Thanks again for the heads up.

#55. Posted by: curtis at December 2, 2005 11:30 PM

Life extension mission statement was opened up:

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html

interesting. maybe this is why Hurley hasn't lost weight.

#56. Posted by: asa at December 3, 2005 7:36 AM

I love this show and have not missed one episode but I am starting to notice mistakes. Did anyone else notice that at one point, Jack looks at a sleeping Sawyer and his head is bare, then when Kate sits next to him, he magically has a cloth on his head?
It seems like this season is much more fast paced but I hope they don't give up quality.

#57. Posted by: El at December 3, 2005 3:48 PM

Oh and one more thing, who thinks that when Sawyer was mumbling that he loved her, that it was Sawyer about Kate or that it was Wayne inside Sawyer talking about Kate?

#58. Posted by: El at December 3, 2005 4:11 PM

DID ANYBODY SEE THE (I ASSUME) HORSE TAMERS HAND??

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3932/lololost5ur.jpg

you can see it moving when kate sees the horse for the 2nd time on the island! first i thought it was something sneaky like the others! but nope! haha

#59. Posted by: bville at December 3, 2005 4:22 PM

jerson asked about Eko's name. Shortly after the raft-aways are let out of that pit there was a scene where Sawyer asked Eko what his name was and he tells him. I don't remember exactly, but it was something like "Masteko" and Sawyer not being one who likes to use people's real names (eg. Freckles, Chewey, etc.) started calling him Mister Eko (or Mister Echo). That episode will probably be one of the re-runs this month so I'll hope to see that scene again with my TV in "Closed Caption mode".

Also, Sawyer and Kate can't be brother and sister as Kate killed her father and Sawyer's father killed himself when Sawyer was a child and was hiding under the bed at the time.

#60. Posted by: Ardie at December 3, 2005 4:54 PM

It would be kind of cool that Wayne Kate used to be a conman name Sawyer.

Eko and Locke, thats chemistry. If this was HBO those two would so be all over each other.

I wonder if Kate is the one who ran over poor Mike, of course even if she was it would be one of those threads that they will never pick up again.

Walt, deciding that people didnt listen to him when he showed up decided to go the other route. He is now the Neo.

#61. Posted by: Sirus at December 3, 2005 5:52 PM

Curtis...regarding whether or not it is actually Walt communicating with Michael on the computer...I am thinking no for a few reasons:


1. The video said specifically not to use the computer for any other function than to enter the numbers (who knows about the legitimacy of this video, but, hey, it's still a warning) so maybe it is another way of messing with the survivor's heads.
2. When Shannon had her first vision of "Walt", remember he said (backwards) "don't touch the buttons....buttons are bad," perhaps sending a warning through Shannon about the computer. Unfortunately, Shannon never got a chance to tell anyone what "Walt" said.
3. Recently, on the hansofaoundation.org site, I clicked on an icon and opened up what appeared to be a similar screen to the computer in the hatch. It looked like what was typed on the episode: "Hello?" "Hello." "Who is this?" "This is Michael. Who is this?" but on the website the response, instead of "Dad?", was "Mole." Someone else should try this and see if they get the same thing.


Also, I always thought someone else shot Sawyer's father (isn't that why he traveled to Sydney? To avenge his father's death? or was it his mother's death?) while he hid under the bed. I never thought that we had other info on his parents, at least not enough to rule out the possibility that Kate could be his sister. I love that theory because it makes the idea of the spirit of Wayne speaking through Sawyer a little more plausible. I agree with whoever suggested earlier about creating a page that outlines each character's back story as I am finding harder and harder to keep track as the new season continues and all these connections are being discovered between the characters' lives before they boarded the plane....

#62. Posted by: Vikki at December 3, 2005 8:28 PM

I just checked the hansofoundation.org site again and found the "screen"...


You have to click on "Alvar Hanso" from the menu bar and then when that page loads, it looks like an image doesn't load in the top right corner, but if you click on the little "x," the "screen" pops up...

#63. Posted by: vikki at December 3, 2005 8:41 PM

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3932/lololost5ur.jpg

YOU'll BE SHOCKED!

#64. Posted by: bville at December 3, 2005 9:06 PM

That's an Other hand ;)

#65. Posted by: mac at December 3, 2005 9:12 PM

I recall Sawyer's backstory as his parents were swindled by a man named Sawyer. This man in addition to getting a large amount of money from them probably also had an affair with the mother. When the father came home, she had their little son (our Sawyer) hide under the bed and goes into the other room to meet him. He kills her and then comes into the bedroom, sits on the bed, and shoots himself. Sawyer blames it all on the swindler, takes on his name, becomes a swindler himself, and did go to Australia to kill the guy he was told was the real Sawyer (but in reality was not).

#66. Posted by: Ardie at December 3, 2005 11:11 PM

Vikki et all,

There is a page that tracks and timelines everyone's backstory. The website I'm about to give you, along with this website, are excellent resources to helping unlock the mystery of Lost. The websites address is: http://lost.cubit.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=7eedd01827e3b924a47b168abc08d1cf

#67. Posted by: Sam at December 4, 2005 12:45 AM

In response to trinity's post: I don't think Kate was the one who hit Michael.The accident took place nine years ago and kate has been on the run for the past three years( marshal said he has been chasing her for three yrs. in "exodus-2").

I definitely saw sayid on t.v in kate's backstory.
Also..I think jack met sara two yrs ago. shannon's dad died when she was 18 (she said so to boone at her father's funeral) This was when jack met sara. And according to last season's Hurley census shannon is, sorry,was 20 yrs old.So jack met,married and seperated from his wife all in a span 2 yrs...that's quick for a guy who can't let go!!

#68. Posted by: nikki at December 4, 2005 12:50 AM

hey.. someone said something about forgetting about the cable sayd found ...im new at this forum so...where or why did the cable lead?? i mean...sayd went to the jungle but...the cable lead to the ocean too...whats up with that??...
hey..it will be very cool if you add me to your msn... tc_q@hotmail.com thankz

#69. Posted by: Toño at December 4, 2005 5:05 AM

Ardie....thanks for clearing that up...did we ever know Sawyer's real name??? What if his last name is really Austen??? Interesting...


Sam...thanks for the website...I am going to check it out now

#70. Posted by: Vikki at December 4, 2005 8:40 AM

Vikki- Sawyer's real name is James Ford.

Nikki- good point about Kate being on the run for 3 years. I couldn't remember if the marshal had ever mentioned how long he'd been tracking her. But, at Jack and Sara's wedding she said she'd met him 4 years ago, so it seems the writers need to re-think their continuity a bit.:)

#71. Posted by: Trinity at December 4, 2005 10:59 AM

Thanks, Trinity....That name still seems a little suspect to me..."James Ford?" Sounds like an alias....what is the proof that is his real name? Hurley's mainifest?

#72. Posted by: Vikki at December 4, 2005 4:03 PM

Something is not right. How could Kate be on the run for only 3 years when she went to visit her father (step-dad) at the recruiter's office there was a television with news report of the First Gulf War. (We know it was the first Gulf War, because as I pointed out in my earlier posts, Sayid was in the television and through Sayid's backstory we know he was caught by the allied forces during that war.) The First Gulf War happened in 1990-91, therefore Kate has obviously been on the run much longer. It also makes it plausible for Kate to be the one who hit Michael with the car.

#73. Posted by: Sam at December 4, 2005 4:04 PM

Anyone else check out the site Sam listed for backkstories? (Thanks, Sam!) Well, at the bottom right of the page, there is a bliking yellow light. I clicked on it and a wacked out picture of some sort or mutant rate popped up...looks like a stamp from Cambodia maybe? Anyone else see this? And can anyone else explain this? What type of writing is that? Help!

#74. Posted by: Vikki at December 4, 2005 4:20 PM

Sorry...that should read "mutant rat" above...

#75. Posted by: Vikki at December 4, 2005 4:21 PM

Hey guys,
This may be from " The Other 48 days" but did anyone notice how nice and stocked station 3 was, and then the other bunker ( the one with the arrow) was so blah, there was nothing in it! So, how did desmond get the stuff in it like the spotlight and, furniture. Now, If you saw the coming Attractons, i think that eko trys to shoot the monster thats invisible, also i think that michael trys to find walt, but is walking straight into a trap, cause dr marvin said that you cant use it for anything besides entering the code, maybe the others want michael too.......

#76. Posted by: John at December 4, 2005 4:57 PM

Am I mistaken or was the bunker under the hatch that Locke blew up referred to as the 'isolation bunker' in the last episode? Maybe the other five bunkers cleared out, the experiment is over, and no one told whoever was in the 'isolation bunker'. I don't really think so, but that would be one hell of a cruel joke.

The cable Sayid found did come out of the water, but it has never been explored what that end of it is attached to. I don't think. I thought that the french woman told Sayid that the other end was connected to the transmission tower. I would have to watch the episode again to be sure.

As for the differing timelines concerning Kate's back story and the Gulf War? The only reason I can think of is poetic license. Sometimes, to make the story more interesting without changing the plot or major story lines, you gotta cheat a little. This particular inconsistancy didn't change the storyline, but it sure got everyone's attention, didn't it?

Also, remember the letter that Sawyer wrote as a kid to the confidence man that had the affair with his mom and caused his dad to go postal? It was written in '76 or '77. Kate pointed out the bicentennial seal on the envelope, indicating that was how she knew Sawyer wrote the letter himself as a kid of 8 or 9. Sawyer wrote the letter after his dad killed his mom. Assuming that timelines are correct, which is a pretty big if, Sawyer's dad killed his mom in '75 or '76. Now, if kate was 23(?) when she blew up Wayne, and has been on the lam for 3 years, that would put her birth in '79. Sawyer's parents were at least three years dead by then, so Kate and Sawyer couldn't be brother and sister. Of course, I'm assuming that timelines are accurate, but we already know that isn't always the case. Sayid on tv at the recruiting office being the perfect example.

But, they could be cousins...

#77. Posted by: curtis at December 4, 2005 10:10 PM

Vikki,

All the time I've been going to that site, I never noticed that blinking yellow button (good catch!). That "mutated rat" seems to be an inside joke by the web designers. If you ever seen the movie "The Princess Bride" one of the more famous scenes is where Wesley (the hero in the movie) saves his beloved by fighting rodents of unusual sizes. The mutated rat you saw there is the exact same picture of the rodents of unusual sizes from "The Princess Bride" movie.

#78. Posted by: Sam at December 4, 2005 11:05 PM

I just watched the film of Candle on the hansofoundation website and he stated that it was originally a lab that studied electromagnetics until an incident occurred. The incident led to following the protocol of entering the code every 108 minutes and gives the impression that this is now the bunker's primary function and not that of a lab.

So, I believe that the countdown was not a part of the original project but became necessary as a result of the incident.

Supposedly, if the countdown reaches zero or in other words, stops, some really bad stuff goes down.

When Michael used the computer to communicate with person who typed in 'hello' it caused the countdown to stop the same as if time had run out. Either way, the outcome is the same. No more countdown. And if the countdown was created to avoid another incident, the warning given by Candle not to use the computer for communication was given because he knew it would interrupt the countdown, causing another incident.

And, if the person who typed 'hello' from the other computer had this knowledge, his obvious intentions were to bait someone into using the computer, creating another incident.

Did you notice that it wasn't until Michael identified himself that we were given the impression that Walt was the one on the other computer. I don't think it was. I think it was someone with a knowledge of every one of the survivors and it could have been anyone who responded, not just Michael, and the response would have been specifically taylored to that person.
Pretty paranoid, huh?

Personally, I think some really bad crap is on the way. I just wish there were some kind of clues as to what the original incident was. Then we might know better what direction the next few episodes are going to take.

Vikki, let me know what you think. Maybe you agree and have added insights or maybe you think it's b.s. Either way, it would be interesting to know. No matter, it's still fun to speculate and find out what other people think will happen.

#79. Posted by: curtis at December 5, 2005 12:52 AM

When Eko opens the Bible it says on the top right: '2 Chronicles 6:18.'

I've looked it up and it says: 'But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.'

Also quite interesting. God on earth (Jesus) and the house he has built.

#80. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 5, 2005 4:18 AM

The new footage from the Bible wasn't the entire Dharma footage, just a missing segment. Thats why they had to splice it in and then rewatch it, instead of just watching a whole movie.

#81. Posted by: Meg at December 5, 2005 5:37 AM

I think that's an ant-eater. Not a giant rat.

#82. Posted by: gotspeed13 at December 5, 2005 8:34 AM

Curtis:

One could build international mainframe networks with messaging and email that spanned the globe back in the 70s, if one wished. I remember my dad having to get up and go to work at 2:00am to fix problems for the Hong Kong office (from his desk in Illinois).

#83. Posted by: Deep Cover at December 5, 2005 9:30 AM

Rodents of unusual size! Of course I remember! I was thinking that stamp may have been a clue in regard to the island location...or maybe that the text on the stamp could be translated into another clue...

As for the mysterious messenger...I agree that it has to be someone playing with the minds of the survivors...I do think that someone is watching all of their moves day and night...this is how who ever is writing to Michael knew it was him...well, that and the fact that he had just written his name on the screen...perhaps if it was Kate who was writing, maybe the other person would have claimed to be "Wayne"...hee hee

Also, one of the current projects on the Hanso foundation site is something to do with "juxtapositional projection" (I can't get on to the site right now, or I would have quoted it correctly), and since I saw that, I thought maybe the visions of Walt had something to do with this type of project...

#84. Posted by: Vikki at December 5, 2005 10:43 AM

Regarding the "mutant rat" stamp that I found on the link Sam referred us to....a little online investigating led me to this:

http://www.pibburns.com/cryptost/mapingua.htm

Any thoughts?

#85. Posted by: Vikki at December 5, 2005 11:24 AM

As far as the timeline goes, I have read (on several occasions now) that the writers/producers have said that "people assume the plan crashes in 2004 (when the pilot aired). This is not the case."
Kate is 24 when she blows Wayne up. She then has goes on the run and we know she goes back home to see her dying mother (enough time has to go by for her mom to go from healthy (as she was int his episode) to dying). This is when Tom dies as well. Then more time has to go by for Kate to go to New Mexico and hatch the bank robbery plan to get Tom's plane back. And then still, more time has to go by when she heads to Australia and works for teh farmer. I find it hard to believe all that happened in 2 or 3 years, but I guess it's not impossible.

#86. Posted by: sarah at December 5, 2005 2:44 PM

Thanks Vikki. Once again, I must refer to my "Rodents of Unusual Size" comment....lol

#87. Posted by: Sam at December 5, 2005 7:32 PM

I hate Kate. Every time there is an episode on her it sucks. I cant stand Anna Lucia because there is a sort of realness to her character even though she is edgy.

Kate on the other hand just comes off as total bitch that is built up on a purely fictional and an unbeleavable character.

Why did she kiss Jack and then go back and tend to Sawyer. She didnt even give a shit about Shanon's death because she was having a great time keeping Sawyer company.

I cant stand that pretty little whore. She is so fake it makes her laughable. Out of all the characters I wish she was never in LOST. They should show more of Charlie, he is much more entertaining than that killer/fugitive/devious/who fucken cares lame story behind her... Katie.

People bag on Anna Lucia but she got almost killed in the line of duty and she was pregnant. What is Kate's excuse for killing another humanbeing just because "he is a part of her"? Is that the answer to everything nowadays? There is always some bullshit drama behind her which makes the episode boring.

Sorry for the rant but this episode sucked because of Kate.

Anyone agree?

BTW thanks for the awesome review once again!


#88. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at December 5, 2005 10:27 PM

At the beginning I meant that I CAN stand Anna Lucia but not Kate.

#89. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at December 5, 2005 10:28 PM

"If you see the second hourse scene in te jungle you can see a hand of someone trying to get the horses attention.

:)

First post! :P"

LOL I noticed it too. They screwed up the horse must have been too wild.

#90. Posted by: LOST FAN22 at December 5, 2005 10:59 PM

About the "Rodents of Unusual Size" comments...I read on http://kraftkost.com/pages/1/index.htm that one of the projects that Dharma was working on was a cloning project on extinct species. Maybe that has something to do with the webpage that Vikki posted above concerning the "extinct" Giant Ground Sloth...

#91. Posted by: UNCAngel08 at December 5, 2005 11:40 PM

Don't look too much into the "Rodent of Unusual Size" It has nothing to do with the show Lost. It was something placed on another fan website. The only reason I go to it is for the timeline on each character. The picture was put on that website for by the moderators of that website. The website has no affliation to ABC or the show lost, other than the fact that it's a really good fan sight.

#92. Posted by: Sam at December 5, 2005 11:55 PM

Thanks for the web site you gave us, Sam. It's great! It has a timeline of known events, a body count of all survivors and deaths, and profiles on each character. I don't think it's been updated since Shannon was shot, though.

It does say that Kate was married briefly and her married name is Kate Dodd.

And as for Sawyer's name being James Ford, I think that came from when he was arrested in Australia (and deported) as that's what the officer there said who must have had his passport.

BTW, at that web site, it isn't necessary to register to get a username with password unless you plan on posting messages there.

#93. Posted by: Ardie at December 6, 2005 1:40 AM

did anyone else notice that the hanso foundation website has been set up by disney, the company that publish or fund (whatever they do on the dvd the disney logo appears)LOST. click on the terms of use. i think this website is a complete fake.

#94. Posted by: Johnny8585 at December 6, 2005 7:52 AM

I think it is a legit website b/c Disney owns ABC, so I would think any website dedicated to an aspect of the show affiliated with ABC is probably one to trust. That may be why such important clues appear on the Hanso site...

#95. Posted by: Vikki at December 6, 2005 9:53 AM

@LOST FAN22:

Sorry, I hate to disagree, but KATE > ANA LUCIA!

Kate has more natural charme and charisma in her little pinky finger than Ana Lucia has in her entire single expression face and body.

@Johnny8585:

I think the only legitimate LOST sites are the ones owned by Disney. If there is no 'terms of use' that links to Disney, it's not an official LOST site.

#96. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 6, 2005 1:01 PM

By federal law, Disney must put out a claim on anything that can be construed as a product of the Disney Corporation. Since ABC Network is a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney (i.e Disney owns ABC) and the rights of the show Lost are owned by ABC and thusly Disney. As a result, Disney, by law, must associate itself with any "official" Lost websites. With that said, anything that takes you a Disney claim when clicking on the terms of uses, is an official web site.

#97. Posted by: Sam at December 6, 2005 5:15 PM

do you think that the "mutated rat" (giant ground sloth) could be the "monster"? because on the bottom of the page it shows a picture of the giant ground sloth in a jungle an that gave me the idea that the "monster" could be a giant ground sloth that mabey had something to do with the dharma project making it bigger,meaner, make wierd noises,and be able to turn into a bunch of black smoke.but... its just an idea.

#98. Posted by: lostfan108 at December 6, 2005 5:29 PM

Wow - you guys have got this story thing soooo wrong!!! I know what will happen at the end of LOST - i know what the ending is!!! My friend has downloaded all of the episodes (every single one of them) and she has told me what happens at the end. WARNING: The following contain spoiler. Do not read on if you do not want to find out what the LOST ending is.

*Spoiler*

All of the 'survivors' actually died in the plane crash. They are all ghosts. (Like the Sixth Sense!). The whole island is a ghost island. It is not real!!!

*Spoiler*

OK - it is now save to read again if you did not want to know the LOST ending. I hope that this helps any puzzled and intreagued LOST fans, :D

#99. Posted by: Vicki at December 7, 2005 12:58 PM

Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but the way the episode played out on my t.v., the film that Eko handed Locke was the missing footage from the cut-up version the Lostie's (Fronties, Originals, Whatever, I can't keep up with the cute nicknames) watched. Which is why they had to splice it together. I think the real mystery is why one hatch would have part of the film and the other hatch doesn't. (Again, I'm pretty certain that they made reference to the fact that this was missing footage and not simply a complete copy of the film.) But weirdly enough, you make reference to this fact right after you ask "Why bother splicing it together?"

Anyhow, that's nit-picking at it's finest. Otherwise, great review. Wouldn't it be nice, however, if you wrote one review without any of the sarcastic tongue in cheek tone that we've all grown to love and simply reported the facts without making fun of the show. Clearly it's t.v. and we all are smart enough to know that it's not real life. So, we don't need to have it pointed out that maybe Jack & Kate's breath smells bad. If it was meant to smell bad, they would have written that in. If this show was actually real, half of these people would be dead now from sun-stroke, dehydration or other. Plus, if it was real life, would these people really not try to exploit the hatch to it's fullest potential immediately? I mean, these are the inconsistencies you should be pointing out. Not if Kate's breath smells bad.

#100. Posted by: mr. pants at December 7, 2005 1:05 PM

This is HUGE check out http://www.dharmainitiative.com/ Click just under the logo and highlight down...you will find hidden text...

#101. Posted by: UNCAngel08 at December 7, 2005 4:49 PM

Wow, I want some of what Vicki is on.

The producers have already said that the people on the island did not die.
If they are dead, why do they need to hunt and eat?
You never saw the guy in Sixth Sense eat, did you?

I have all the episodes downloaded on my PC also, big deal.

#102. Posted by: Tracey at December 7, 2005 7:32 PM

>>>> RE: Eric's comment above from December 1, 2005 at 10:57 -- I just rewatched that scene in slow mo... the horse is definitely black that runs out in front of the car... the car's headlights do shine on the horse a bit, which makes it seem white... but it is black... you also see that after Kate dumps the guy out of the car... so both horses are black... check it out... cheers

#103. Posted by: Mattmak54 at December 7, 2005 9:54 PM

UNCAngel08--- That is huge... I don't know if that if legitimate though. But if it is that's very cool/wierd... What could it lead to?

#104. Posted by: Fish at December 7, 2005 10:10 PM

re: post by UNCAngel08-clicking under the logo opens Skype and attempts to call Alvar Hanso...but call fails. Interesting integration of current fads...but relevant?

#105. Posted by: addictedtolost at December 7, 2005 10:11 PM

@UNCAngel08:

It's not a legitimate Disney site, so it probably means very little.

But the theory is AWESOME, and very plausible. Also quite mindboggling.
Especially this last bit...

The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan.

#106. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 8, 2005 5:24 AM

The cable leads into the ground just before the ravine that Hugo and Charlie crossed. No mention since that of what's beneath the ground.

#107. Posted by: Bob at December 8, 2005 5:25 AM

Ok...check this out:

http://thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

When you run your mouse over the picture of Alvar Hanso, what looks like a letter appears on the right side of the picture, hidden until you run your mouse over it. However, when you click on it, the "mole" screen pops up.

I tried to copy and paste the picture/letter into another document and then enlarge it, but I can't make out the text of the letter....

Can anyone else see this? If so, can anyone else make out what the letter says???

#108. Posted by: Vikki at December 8, 2005 1:29 PM

Vikki: Load the Alvar Hanso page and just sit there for about 30 seconds don't click on the picture. All of a sudden it loads the letter you see in the picture. Big enough to read it. Something about a discreet donation made to the defense fund of the Global Health Organization. Apparently the GHO interfered with something the Hanso Foundation had going in Zanzibar. So theres also an apology. The letter is an RE: The Hanso Life Extension Project and the guy who signed it is french (connection to Rousseau?) Also, who was it that Michaels ex-wife was going to work for in Europe? Wouldn't be suprised if it was the Chief Legal Counsel that the letters written to. The address for the GHO happens to be the REAL address of the World Health Organization in Switzerland.

#109. Posted by: Trie at December 8, 2005 3:11 PM

Thank you Trie! I will try it again now...

#110. Posted by: Vikki at December 8, 2005 4:43 PM

Another thing on the "Sledgeweb's Lost" site, on the Census page, was a link to a site for survivor Janelle Granger's diary entries. She is one of the "background" people and hasn't been seen on the show. But she keeps a daily diary that refers to the events we know but from a distance. It's interesting reading. Here's the site address:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html

just click on the little left and right arrows at the bottom of each page to go forwards and backwards through the entries.

#111. Posted by: Ardie at December 8, 2005 10:47 PM

hi i have gone to this site
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html
the words is very difficult to read i can only see a few letters all the rest intelligible. i cannot do a translation online. is there a typed one to read?

#112. Posted by: name at December 9, 2005 10:30 PM

I'm really sorry i'm bugging all of you with my timeline theories but i just can't get it out of my head. So, the marshal is the one who found out that kate killed her dad, right? In "Exodus-1" he told the airport official that he has been chasing Kate for 3 yrs.( 'www.twiztv.com' has transcripts) But, if Kate killed her dad 9 yrs ago why has he been chasing her for only 3 yrs? That just doesn't make sense! Also, The gulf war took place in 1990-91,right?Walt was 1 then. That should make him atleast 13 now( assuming the plane crashed in 2004) But he is 10.I dunno, I think the writers goofed up somewhere

#113. Posted by: nikki at December 11, 2005 12:33 AM

To nikki:

The writers have said the plane did not crash in 2004, as one would assume. (I can't recall where I read this.) So your numbers suggest the crash would have occurred a few years earlier, around 2001.

#114. Posted by: James at December 11, 2005 7:01 AM

Re: Mrpants.comment about your reviews.

hey don't give up the tongue in cheek sarcasm. it makes your reviews as entertaining as the tv show. Just putting in my two cents that I appreciate the humour. Thanks!

#115. Posted by: pastormac at December 11, 2005 10:28 PM

re:timeline

All the confusion seems resolved if we consider two things, one already mentioned.
1) the plane probably did crash in 2001, but that leads to the interesting question of why this is relevant. Is 2001 important?
2) Why do we trust the Marshal so implicitly. Perhaps he rounded his numbers, got it wrong, or outright lied for some reason we don't know.

Love watching you guys discuss. enjoy the reviews!

#116. Posted by: pastormac at December 11, 2005 10:31 PM

Oh Mr. Pants, you flatter me so ;)

#117. Posted by: mac at December 11, 2005 10:40 PM

try this - on the hanso website, click on the LEP, at the bottom of the letter is a hidden link to click......

#118. Posted by: drew at December 12, 2005 2:01 PM

hey mr. pants, i like the tongue in cheek comments....they make me laugh, and keep light that which should not be taken too seriously. ;)

#119. Posted by: silkyway at December 12, 2005 3:49 PM

Outside of her own claim, do we really know Kate's age? Her backstory includes her childhood playmate/boyfriend who turned out to become a doctor. Since he drove a BMW in that episode, we should assume that he was older than a 28 yr old resident making $35k/yr. We should also assume that he was roughly Kate's age considering they were childhood friends.

Unless he is Doogie Howser, that would have probably put him in his early 30's during the backstory episode, which would make her older than she claims. So perhaps she could have hit Michael with the car in NYC afterall.

Hey...it wouldn't be the first time Kate has hidden the truth from us. But why her age???

#120. Posted by: BC at December 12, 2005 4:36 PM

I clicked on the bottom of the letter on the hidden link. You get to see some scrambled letters. ACCESS DENIED and stuff. You can type something and press submit.

Supposedly you can put in some kind of password in there.

If you select all the text and copy it to notepad you can see a list of numbers at the bottom.

110,101,103,97,104,110,101,112,111,67 |102, 105,103,46,111,104,103,95,114,116,108, 47,115,101,103,97,109,105

You can also see this when you look at the source code for this page.

And you can see this line above the enter password bit:


Did someone hack this page or was this some joke by the creators?

#121. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 12, 2005 5:25 PM

Apparently you can't see the text when you put it in brackets. Sorry. Here is the text:

!-- LOL H4x0r3d!!1 --

#122. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 12, 2005 5:27 PM

H4x0r3d!!1 is slang for "hacked"

#123. Posted by: mac at December 13, 2005 12:00 PM

Here's a thought: How many of the survivors or castaways or whatever they are called would really want to leave the island should they be rescued? I am a little fuzzy on some of the back stories as I haven't been watching from the beginning.

Would Locke? He can walk now, couldn't before, and might not again.

Would Kate? She is definately a fugitive. What would she want to go back for? Jail?

How about Ana-L? We don't know what happened after she murdered the chap who shot her, but it is a good bet someone suspects she did it. We don't know what she was in Australia for and why she was going back.

How about Sayid? well maybe now that Shannon is dead. But Shannon might not have wanted to either.

Can anyone find a reason for not wanting to leave the island for each character?

#124. Posted by: Donna at December 13, 2005 1:15 PM

as far as not wanting to leave the island, i'd say Jin and Sun....they finally got away from her father, and rediscovered each other in the process. but Hurley.....dude....he's a multi-millionaire in the real world, lol....

#125. Posted by: silkyway at December 13, 2005 2:05 PM

Hurley seems to have lost his bad luck streak on the island though....poses a good question: a life of infinite wealth with unlucky consequences or a simple life of obscurity where (besides the plane crash) people do not meet unfortunate demises/events from just seeming to know you?

#126. Posted by: Vikki at December 13, 2005 9:22 PM

@mac: H4x0r3d!!1 is slang for "hacked"
DUDE, I knew that. :-)

As for characters that would like to stay on the island...

Charlie -
He seems to be recovering from his heroine addiction quite well. And he has his new 'father' role with Claire's baby. Maybe he doesn't want to leave because he is happy this way.

#127. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 14, 2005 7:46 AM

i guess you''re right Vikki....money can't buy happiness. i'd sure like to test the theory, tho

#128. Posted by: silkyway at December 14, 2005 8:46 AM

how come Sawyer and Sayid look as though they're been on a deserted island for 2 months (i.e., hair growth, facial hair), yet Jack still looks like he's visiting the barber? i'd like to see Jack sporting the Charlie Salinger look...yum...

#129. Posted by: silkyway at December 14, 2005 8:53 AM

Is tonight another re-run? No more new episodes til Jan.???? Is this true??? what shall I doo.
kat

#130. Posted by: kat at December 14, 2005 5:52 PM

Regarding the timeline problem: This is from SpoilerFix:
"It's important to note," Lindelof says, "that we've never said when the plane crashed. I think the assumption is that it happened in 2004 when the show premiered, but we've never said that."

They also say that Eko's stick is an ongoing clue. Anyone have any ideas as to what this clue is?
Thanks!

#131. Posted by: Christina at December 14, 2005 11:22 PM

hi i have gone to this site
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html
the words is very difficult to read i can only see a few letters all the rest intelligible. i cannot do a translation online. is there a typed one to read?

ANWSERS?? I'VE STLL BEEN TRYING, I'VE EVEN GOT MY FAMILY TO HELP ME MAKE OUT THOSE WORDS AND THEY CAN'T EITHER!!!

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#132. Posted by: name at December 15, 2005 7:34 AM

I just checked out that diary website and can read the words pretty clearly, at least through the first few days....are you looking for a particular entry?

#133. Posted by: vikki at December 15, 2005 7:43 AM

Great episode :o)) And great serial :))) I love it !!

#134. Posted by: Soviet at December 15, 2005 3:03 PM

I've been solidly downloading new episodes whenever possible and some of the things people think they see and know on this site are frustratingly annoying occasionly for instance this whole sawyer kate related thing is crap dunno were it came from, it's alot more plausable to link sawyers family destroyer to loche's "father" "everybody gets conned",

i had my suspiscions b4 and now im positive about the kids and other members of the tail section becoming the others (teddy bears n all that) those others and those in the water may have no connection for all we know they could be enemies senial underwater scientists studying pychic abilities similar to desmonds situation but them having been there from the beginning of the experiments desmonds glass not even half full with information and both of these groups having weapons where as the others on the island choose to use traps and motherearth suggesting maybe they are what are considered to be infectee's of the sickness giving an explanation to the kid's smooth integration into there barefoot society of "good people" (in the words of goodwin haha *good win) anyway its really late this is all i can think of in my state so i bid u adue and apologise for my spelling and people please looks at other ppl's posts before posting i saw that stupid horse hand thing 10 times it was a mistake get over it :)
and they're not all dead! how can u have every episode on ur computer if they havent been made yet idiot

#135. Posted by: superlostfreak at December 15, 2005 9:05 PM

vikki, i dont know what to looking for. no one can read the words i don't even know what is on there. how if im looking for a particular entry when i can't read a thing. i don't know how you can say clear, you just can recognise english better. and no one in my family and i also ask my friends who know english and they can not make it out either, some say that isn't even english. it isn't at all clear as the letters on the keyboard or on this site. can't read!! i can't translate them online.

#136. Posted by: name at December 17, 2005 12:54 AM

I loved the episode " What Kate did", but it´s really sad, that I have to wait to Januray before I can se the next one. You see I live in Norway, and me and my friends just LOVE lost! We think it´s like the best show! And we hope that kate soon can pick Sawyer or Jack, ´cos we think she "love" The both..

Love, Fan of the "Outlaws"

#137. Posted by: Serine at December 17, 2005 5:11 AM

In this episode, and all the others, you can se thats it´s fences wherev they play golf.. Where is this from?

#138. Posted by: Serine at December 17, 2005 5:14 AM

Jus a cuple of things 2 say. Firstly when that diver drowned out at sea, who jack couldnt get to...how come when the tide changed and all the suitcases got swept ashore, that the diver did not get washed up?? And also on the hansofoundation wesbite, i dont think it reveals all the dharma insciative video, because the bit we see in this episode "what kate did" is missing on the video on the website. Also when sawyer wakes up from his state and they go outside, in one clip of the horse, we see a hand to the right of the screen, which is thought to be the trainers hand! Also go on www.oceanic-air.com!! Finally, we know mr. eko is a man who believes in fate, and i believe the next episode "23rd psalm" is totally based around eko and will show his fate and what believes, episode to see i thik!! l8ers

#139. Posted by: Lost-rulez at December 17, 2005 12:46 PM

Hi, i have been searching on internet sites for what feels like 5,000 years, but i have finally come across something that has come to relevance. I found this on site with an interview with a guy on it. I am not sure if it is true but i will post it anyway because it is very interesting:

(the following is from the site)


Here's the interview:

LOST COMPLETELY SPOILED

Q: Okay, so... What is Lost all about?
A: Forget all the nanorobots, telekinesis, multi-dimension crap. It is: King James' Bible, meets The Matrix, meets The Village, meets Survivor, meets Saw, meets Lord of the Flies, meets The Suspects, meets 2001... But there's NOTHING supernatural about it.

Q: Who are the "Others"?
A: Other generations of people who were taken to the island, exactly like the castaways we know. Except that they spent so much time in that crazy place under weird circunstances that they went berzerk. Remember the movie "The Others?" The twist at the end is [SPOILERS AHEAD] that Nicole's party, in fact, are the ghosts. The Others seem to have powers, but our castaways, the Losties are also the other's "Others" in a sense. Remember the Black Rock? Its passengers were not on board voluntarily. Dharma sent them there as castaways. They have done that many times throughout history.

Q: What are the computer thing, the shark with the logo ,the polar bears, jack's dad
and...?
A: Nothing important. All of those are just puzzles that are put in the show as red
herrings, only to take our attention away from the "The Village-esque" move they will pull o in the end.

Q: How did the castaways end up in the Island?
A: They were sent there.

Q: What do you mean?
A: Remember that the hotel owned by Sun's father was called The Swan and had a very similar logo as The Dharma Initiative? EVERBODY who is in that island had someone (friend, relative, love, friend, etc) who was part of a secret society known as Dharma. Sun's father, Hurley's best friend, Boone and Shannon's father, etc, etc.

Q: But why did these people send them to the Island?
A: They didn't know the accident was going to happen. They were all trying to help the
castaways. For instance: Charlie's band was trying to get him off his addiction, the
psychic was trying to give Claire a new life, and so on.

Q: I'm not sure I got it. Why...?
A: They were all members of this secret society know as Dharma. In Budhism, Dharma is something like the opposite of Karma... Some kind of "mental heaven" or paradise to the soul. Ssorry, don't know much about that. Anyways, it's something good that people "earn" when they get rid of their sins. The castaway's helpers were trying to make them reach this condition. By sending them to a place where they could overcome the obstacles in their lives. Something like... The Game, the movie that damonl@abc.com loved to mention, hahahahaha

Q: But... Didn't they think about the accident? The castaways could have died!
A: They didn't know nothing about that. And they didn't know the world was going to end either. All they ever knew is that their loved ones would get some help to become better people, by the Dharma religion, Dharma organization.

Q: WHAT!?
A: You see, they thought they were sending their loved ones to some sort of "spiritual
summer camp". Truth is, they were sending them to a place that was more than that. A place that meant to survive after the world ended... Through the hands of the most important guy, the spiritual leader of this new Masonry, which is the Dharma foundation. JOHN LOCKE. They think they are the survivors of a plane crash but on reality they are survivors of the end of the world.

Q: WHAT!?!?
A: John Locke believes that the island has all brought them there, every one of them for a reason. Actualy... He doesn't believe that, he knows that. Like I said, Locke is the most important man in the secret society, alright? One day he got very dissatisfied with the state of things in the world, and decided to gather a bunch of people who, in his opinion, would be the perfect basis for the "new world" he was planning to build. "Jack would be the doctor, he would be the hunter." heheh. (pause) Locke is this non-fundamentalist terrorist who brought civilization as we know it, to an end. How? I have no idea. I guess that's not been decided yet. Probably will be something like the third world war, or a nuclear war between the US and some country, can't tell. The thing is: Locke did it, hehe.

Q: But why?
A: So he could re-start civilization. So he could make things perfect again, like they
were in the ancient ages that Dharma got its inspiration from, don't know for sure.
Anyway, in order to do that, he needed people who would be perfect for that job. I mean, a drug addict who would preach against drugs... A bank robber who would say love is the most important thing... A millionaire who only cared about his friends... The player who got played.... A doctor who believed in miracles, instead of a "technician of medicine" like we have these days. For this new Earth he needed people who felt guilty like him... And didn't want to feel guilty no more. Folks who wanted a fresh start, who wanted to make the wrong right. Exactly like him. Sawyer's book was a hint.... The lord of the flies thing was another one... Also... Desmond's shock when that character is first introduced. He asks Jack: "Is the world still there?", right?

Q: Whoa!
A: C'mon, all the clues are there... The monster is coming, yet Locke keeps Boone tied, tells him "You can cut yourself free and make your way back to camp... With the proper motivation". Charlie begs him to throw the drugs away, but he says: "that would take away his choice, the only thing that separates us from the animals." He shows Charlie a cocoon, where this I-don't-know struggles. Explains that he could help it out, but it would be too weak to survive.... The struggle is nature's way of strengthening it and all that stuff... That's EXACTLY what Locke thinks.... About the losties and this new civilizations he's trying to build. The island will give them a great deal…if they're are willing to give it something in return... heheh...

Q: So the island is...
A: Some kind of Noah's Ark, part 2. Religion mixed with misticism, mitology and terrorism. It's all a man's attempt at recreating civilization. But this time, doing everything right.

Q: So he knew that the castaways would survive the crash?
A: No, he didn't. I mean, those who died would be as valuable to his new world as the ones who ended up living. I mean, of course the castaways were chosen to be on the island. But in a sense, the island also played its part. The island, in fact, was the one that did select those who lived and those who died among all the "potentials".

Q: Oh, and why do all children vanish, are taken away?
A: Because the new world can only be founded by the "right" people. The potentials, the chosen ones. Again: a drug addict who would preach against drugs... A bank robber who would say love is the most important thing... A doctor who believed in miracles... Those who wouldn't be hell-bent on making "the new civilization" be a true Dharma, I mean, this heaven on Earth, couldn't be a part of it.

Q: What do the numbers mean?
A: There are 108 obstacles between men and perfection. 108 are the doors that lead to Heaven, according to this Bodysatva fella or something like that... Have no idea who he is, I'm just trying to recall what I read in the... Anyway... The 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 are no more than the numbers who brought Hurley his money. Except that Locke has spreaded them, in various forms, at the island, so he could use them as devices... to... that would make the Losties, and the audience, his puppets. The whole issue.... The reseting of the computer is an example of that. Throught the hourly reset, John can fool the castaways into believing that there's "something" out there, in the island... He can fool them into thinking that their lives have some greater meaning or something. Remember the line "You make your on luck, Mr. whatever, you're looking for an excuse that doesn't exist."...? However... The number 108 also representes all of existence, in ancient religions... Or ancient mathematics, I'm not sure right now. And that's what John's trying to do. Re-create existence.

Q: Will there be questions without answers?
A: Yep. For instance, remember when Charlie looks up to see his guitar, hanging in a tree, in the exact moment this would shock the audience the most? There are a huge number of coincidences in the show that won't be explained. They are there to cluck up with our minds.

Q: What is the Monster?
A: Okay, you gotta stop with these "what is this, what is that" questions. The monster, the institutional video... All of those are red herrings. Practical jokes of Locke, in a sense. Because... You know, in order to build his perfect society, he needs some sort of "Satan"... Some sort of undefeatable enemy... Which is the monster. He needs enemies... I'm talking about the "Others" here. He needs a God that will require faith and prayers... The computer that needs hourly prayers, that come through the form of the hourly and pointless reset. He needs quests, that will bring a sense of danger and... a sense of purpose to the losties... But in the end, all of them are mere tools to keep the losties busy, active, faithful, organized, thinking.... Anyway, the point is... To get the audience thinking that... when the castaways ask themselves "why are we here on the island?' that would really represent mankind... We asking ourselves ' why are we on this earth?'.

#140. Posted by: Vicki at December 18, 2005 8:47 AM

Also, i came across another site with another interview with the guy who plays Mr. Eko. It shows that he was already on the island before the plane crashed. Again, i don't know how reliable this is, but it is interesting if it were true!

(The following is from the site)

Living in London, Adewale missed the first year of "Lost." He was skeptical when the show's producers tried to explain it to him. "People crash-land on an island," Adewale says. "It just rang out with all the cliches."
Then he learned that "Lost" stomps all cliches. Adewale plays Mr. Eko, a Nigerian native who was already on the island before the plane crash. He linked with survivors from the back of the plane, and they battled the island's mysterious "others." They then captured survivors of the failed raft mission (Michael, Sawyer and Jin).

#141. Posted by: Vicki at December 18, 2005 9:06 AM

Thinking about it now, Eko could have been on that plane that was carrying all of the drugs!!!

#142. Posted by: Vicki at December 18, 2005 9:14 AM

I am sorry that i keep on posting stuff, but i have found something else aswell. Check out (don't click on here as its not a link) www.oceanicworldair.com/PAC01IA023GM.gif
It shows that there were 2 planes.

#143. Posted by: Vicki at December 18, 2005 9:35 AM

Vicki,
The Oceanic link is about a plane with no passengers, and 4 crew. So this is in addition to Oceanic 815?

#144. Posted by: Christina at December 18, 2005 6:59 PM

@Vicki:
Do you have a link to that interview?
And who is this guy that seems to know everything. Is it his own theory? Or does he work for ABC?

#145. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 19, 2005 6:00 AM

Re the Q&A, it's all very interesting analysis, but if it's really true, i'm going to be pissed off because of its ridiculousness

#146. Posted by: silkyway at December 19, 2005 2:09 PM

Getting back to Kate's timeline. At that Sledgweb site Sam gave us (lost.cubit.net) you can get a list of pictures by adding a "/pics/" to the above address. There is a picture labeled katemugshot which is a faxed copy of her picture when she was first arrested in Harrison Valley, PA. I think this was shown in the episode where she was being processed after be arrested again in Australia. The marshal must have had this faxed to them in Australia and the time stamp at the top is 07-16-04 which is evidence that the plane crash is on or just after July 16, 2004.

Also, in this picture, Kate is has a sign with her arrest number "961136" and to the right of that is "94" with the 9 a little higher than the 4 which probably means she was first arrested in 1994. That would fit more with the TV at her father's recruiting office showing the Gulf War (1991) and Said being captured. Then after her escape thanks to the horse in the road, she disappears for several years and then visits her mother in the hospital who had been in good health back when Kate killed her real father. So when the marshall says he was chasing her for 3 years, he may have meant since she resurfaced at the hospital and that's when her childhood friend was killed and he used that toy airplane as bait in his trap at the bank in New Mexico.

#147. Posted by: Ardie at December 19, 2005 10:47 PM

Amen to what you said, Silkyway. None of the Q&A makes any sense. It seems to put too much significance on Locke and his role, and no significance at all on other things that obviously have importance to the story line, such as the movie,the survivors in the tail section, not to mention the fact that Walt isn't mentioned even once during the whole interview. Plus, how could Locke have been behind the whole shebang when he didn't even know he would be on flight 815. If memory serves, Locke was planning to be a day or two into his walkabout in the Australian Outback, not a passenger on flight 815, courtesy of the business (I can't remember it's name) that refused to let him go because of his handicap.

#148. Posted by: curtis at December 19, 2005 11:08 PM

Maybe that was another one of those red herrings?! :-D

#149. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 20, 2005 6:02 AM

Yea, it certainly seemed far-fetched to me, Curtis. I agree that Locke is just as much a victim of circumstance as the other lostaways and not the grand schemer the interviewee makes him out to be. I think there's so many unanswered questions and he answers everything too pat.

Regarding Walt, I read somewhere that Walt won't be in the storyline too much going forward. I guess his purpose is served....helping Michael become selfless...

#150. Posted by: silkyway at December 20, 2005 9:59 AM

Have any one noticed that Locke spelled backwards is...Ekcol

#151. Posted by: lostsham at December 20, 2005 11:08 AM

Name:

Didn't realize that your page was not in English. Just trying to help...

#152. Posted by: vikki at December 20, 2005 2:24 PM

I dont know if this was mentioned before but I just remembered that Hurly currently owns a box type company (aka Lockes company) Just came into my head while reading didnt know where else to post it.

#153. Posted by: Matt at December 20, 2005 8:16 PM

i asked everybody everywhere to whelp us read that and no one is helping. i don't know why. it is just rude tonot help. could someone even tell me what this is even writing about? the only reply i get is just read it. no one i know can even make out the words and we need help somewhere else!!

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html

#154. Posted by: name at December 21, 2005 12:31 AM

I made a screendump of the first page of the diary. I enlarged it to 200%. Can you read it now?

I wonder why you can't seem to read it. Everyone else seems to be doing just fine.

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/
1818/afbeelding57av.jpg

#155. Posted by: SnakeJake at December 21, 2005 7:53 AM

name:

If you read carefully, you will see a number of people are trying to help you. Just because the pages appear different where we are and where you are does not make anyone in this forum rude.

The pages I see are set up as different diary entries, which would be way too much to translate and post here considering there are over 50 entries. Perhaps seeking the answer you are looking for elsewhere is the way to go at this point.

#156. Posted by: vikki at December 21, 2005 1:01 PM

off topic, but if u look at the scene where jin goes into that guy's house to tell him that the boss is dissapointed,... if u look really carefully in the tv in the background, hurley is on it and the show is about how he won the lottery

#157. Posted by: brandoncunje at December 21, 2005 4:38 PM

name-

i believe the problem is that the diary is in cursive script and not printed.. The words are english jst written in a different way. Not really sure how to help you read cursive script

#158. Posted by: rymac at December 21, 2005 7:00 PM

well the translator we use can't read cursive so how am i going to read it? can someone just recap the important bits? it is not just me that can't read. no one in my family that knows english can read either. and that is like 10 something people. yes, i got that many to help, they can't make out either and just ask me to ask for help on internet like here. also i don't know what this thing is suppose to be anyway. what is it? what is it about? does it talk about whatever is going on the island, the people, what is it even? is it worth to read or what? the way you like to help is not working and it seems that it is not worth to read because you dont want to help the way needed

#159. Posted by: name at December 22, 2005 6:56 AM

Name...

What language so you normally read/speak?

#160. Posted by: Sam at December 22, 2005 9:21 AM

Name: The diary really isn't THAT important. It's basically a recap of the first season, probably for people who missed an episode or two. It's told through a young woman and she describes all the events of the first 44 days up until the raft sets sail. I don't know if she's even a character we've seen on the island or just someone they made up so that a diary could exist. Either way, don't stress about it. If you've seen all of season 1, you'll already be aware of everything written in it.

#161. Posted by: Trinity at December 22, 2005 2:07 PM

Another great site to visit is losthatch.com which has all kinds of facts and search engines. You can even see the entire transcripts of all past episodes and search for words and phrases said by a any or all characters.

#162. Posted by: Ardie at December 22, 2005 10:38 PM

oh so it's a recap only i thought it had stuff about the new season and what might happen, etc. i have seen the whole first season already. sorry for asking so much. but i dont need to read it after all. why does it really matter what language i normally speak. i normally speak chinese. all the lost i watch has chinese subtitles and i rely a lot there.

#163. Posted by: name at December 23, 2005 2:09 AM

Hi name, you're not the only one having trouble with reading that diary. I did too and English IS my first language. I gave up reading in the middle of the first page and said forget it! Don't worry too much.

#164. Posted by: Peaches at December 24, 2005 1:22 AM

After a bit of dissection on the link hidden in the LEP letter...

On the wierd 'ACCESS DENIED" page type, there's a password you can type into the box, to view a further letter. A bit of reverse-engineering the Javascript is required to discover what the password is, but I won't spoil the fun by posting the password right away!

The next letter is from 20 September 2005, pre-dating the other GHO letter of 4th October. It does provide a disturbing insight into the Zanzibar incident...

#165. Posted by: Rich at December 24, 2005 10:22 AM

I love What kate did! but can anybody tell me why this site is not looking at the Pilot episode?

#166. Posted by: Schelm at December 27, 2005 1:52 PM

Okay, watching the repeat, I noticed something important that I don't believe has been mentioned yet.

Great review by the way. I think one thing was missed however.

Sawyer tells Jack, "I love her". I think Sawyer knew full well what he was saying and who he was saying it to at this point.

Later he asks Kate, "Why did you kill me?" or so we think! I think what he was actually saying, was.... "Why didn't you kill me?" We then assume, he thinks he was talking to Kate, but I believe that comment was meant for Jack all along.

To summarize:

- Sawyer tells jack, (trying to egg him on, seeing if he will let him die) "I love her". Knowing full well Jack has feelings for her too.

- Sawyer then tells Kate, thinking she is Jack, "Why didn't you kill me?" He assumes Kate is Jack, and wants to know why he didn't let him die.


This is my conclusion. Anyone else agree? We've seen Sawyer pull something similar to this in earlier episodes. It's the only sense I can make of the two comments, and then Sawyers cluelessness to the whole debacle at the end.


Cheers,
Cid

#167. Posted by: Cid at December 28, 2005 11:16 PM

There are somethings that I found on the internet a while ago that I would like to share. First is from the Hanso Foundation websight. One of the areas of study covered was Eugenics. In searching for eugenics on the web (egenics by the way is sort of the study of the prolonging of life and the quest for the perfect human) I found that eugenics were greatly studied in Nazi Germany and funded by many Americans including Rockefeller, and in fact after the war Rockefeller set up a Danish Eugenics Research center which is one of the largerst eugenic research facilites in the world and it just happens that Hanso is Danish and was involved in WWII. Also on the hanso sight it has a quote from hanso to the UN security council in 1967. If you search UN security council for 1967 there was a major meeting concerning Jews and war. Is this a concidence? Maybe not.
Also, more on the topic of life extention, there is a real organization known as lifeship (www.lifeship.org) that greatly resempbles the Dharma Initiative. They are kind of a modern noah's arc. They want to extend life, and build a storehouse of gentic information in a building that has its own source elctricty that will not run out (maybe nuclear like has been eluded to in the show) and can survive flooding (like the Black Rock being so far inland) anyway it is a cool sight if you want to check it out.
Again, more rambling, this time about the numbers. I don't know if there is any significance to the fact that they were origionally supposed to be in the station for 540 days and push the button every 108 minutes. If you work that out it is pushing the button exactly 7,200 times to the minute, and since there were 2 that would be 3600 times a piece. Also the numbers when added up equal 108. I don't know what that means but it is interesting. Anyway, I know that it has nothing to do with this episode but I wanted to post it anyway

#168. Posted by: hubguy at December 29, 2005 1:46 AM

While watching the re-runs last night, I noticed that some scenes were changed or cut out completely. It seemed weird because cutting scenes due to time constrictions is understandable but when a scene is actually different than before, isn't that odd?

#169. Posted by: El at December 29, 2005 11:57 AM

EL -- I noticed the exact same thing. That great scene between Locke and Eko with the book was absolutely bastardized by the editing.

#170. Posted by: mac at December 29, 2005 12:17 PM

Yeah, not to mention Sawyer saying 'son of a bitch' when he finds out for real that they haven't been rescued. Truly a funny scene. It was probably edited out to make room for another commercial.

#171. Posted by: curtis at December 29, 2005 8:37 PM

On the Hanso Foundation website, The password to the 'restricted' projects site is Copenhagen....it actually explains a lot about the "incident" . Enjoy!

#172. Posted by: Maureen at December 30, 2005 4:36 PM

Oh ya, here is the link to the password page.
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/khr.html

#173. Posted by: Maureen at December 30, 2005 4:39 PM

Cid - on Sawyer. I checked this episode's transcript for everything said (or whispered) by Sawyer at LOSTHatch.com and he definitely says "Why did you kill me?" (twice).

Another possibility is that he was going over in his mind the incident when he killed that guy in Australia thinking the guy was the real Sawyer but then realizing afterwards he was not.

#174. Posted by: Ardie at January 3, 2006 2:23 PM

Ok, I am new to posting things on any site. I just recently rewatched all of season one in a marathon type mode. I think that when Rousseau took Claire's baby to trade for her daughter the others had no intention of getting Claire's child at that point because they would need Claire as well, she is breast feeding. Rousseau said she heard them saying they were coming for "him". What if they were after Walt all the time that is why they were on the boat not at the black smoke. They knew that the raft was sailing that day so they sent up there signal to go and get him. I think that they know Walt is special he can make things happen as his step-father told Michael. So in therory if Walt is special then he would be very bennifical to the others right? And if Walt was abducated do you really think that his captors would just let him run around the jungle? No. He is projecting his image or something using his powers. The Dharma people took him to research him, study him, and use him for their own means. Walt keeps apearing trying to warn people about attacks he always shows up when they do. For instance he tells Shannon to be quiet when all the wispering is going on. Also with the computer thing if it is Walt then and he does have these powers then couldn't he manipulate the computer?

Just interested in what other people think of my theory.

#175. Posted by: April at January 5, 2006 12:19 AM

has anyone noticed that all the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 equal 108 minutes on the computer some co-incident eh.

#176. Posted by: samslost at January 12, 2006 3:00 AM

^ we all knew that already long ago samslost

#177. Posted by: eh at January 12, 2006 3:57 AM

refresh...refresh...refresh...refresh...refresh...refresh...refresh...

#178. Posted by: X at January 12, 2006 9:53 AM

There is some shoddy work in the episode where Micheal is on the beach and sees Walt's dog. He obviously got some dog treats somewhere on the island or had them in his pocket when they crashed. That is why the dog runs towards him. He is trying to hide the dog treats so no can see him feed them to the dog. I'm not sure if that was in this episode, but I thought it was humorous.

#179. Posted by: ben at January 20, 2006 4:26 PM

Did anyone else catch the episode when Locke and Jack first found Desmond, right after Desmond runs out Locke says "What do I do now. It wasn't supposed to go this way"....Locke has more to do with this whole lost thing than we all suspect.

#180. Posted by: Pat at February 28, 2006 9:23 AM

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4369/kateps1ix.jpg

did sayid met kate her "dad"??

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