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Season 2, Episode 12 Episode Air Date: 01/25/06 |
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Charlie ... poor, poor Charlie. Our once-famous rocker is clinging to his
sanity with all his might, but forces of evil are swirling and doom seems imminent.
In case you hadn't guessed, Charlie had a rough week. The majority of this episode details Charlie's descent into madness. Yes. Madness. We don't actually see him drop straight into the abyss, but he's certainly on his way down. More importantly, the baby steps we witness in this episode ("baby" being the operative word), are, without a doubt, a precursor to something major. I don't know what it is. I don't know when it will happen. But Charlie just pulled an Anakin ... and we all know how that turned out. But enough with my gloomy predictions. Let's get to it. As this episode begins, Charlie is suffering from nightmares/delusions/freaky-ass visions. We open with Charlie as a young boy (no, this isn't a backstory segment -- we'll get to that in a minute). It's Christmas morning and Charlie -- who appears to be eight or nine years old and bears a resemblance to Ralphie -- trods down the stairs of his boyhood home, delirious with Christmas morning excitement. His older brother, Liam, is already pawing through his gifts (he scored a Voltron, which was just about the coolest gift you could get back in 1984). Charlie, bewildered, notices there are no gifts for him. But fret not, young Chuckie! Charlie's Mum guides Charlie's gaze toward the corner of the room. A giant package is covered in blankets and paper. Mum and Charlie excitedly strip away the material and there, hidden below, lies a piano. Charlie is ecstatic and his Mum is too ... But Mum's excitement seems odd. She repeatedly tells Charlie that he's going to "save the family" with his musical genius. No pressure or anything, Chuckie. But then the scene grows ominous. A grown man's voice joins the chorus of "save the family, save the family." Little Charlie wheels around and sees his brother Liam, all grown up, all drugged out, and, most disturbingly, sitting in his underwear twiddling his Voltron (I'm not making this up). Clearly, strange things are afoot at the Circle K. From there, this "scene" grows even weirder, and it's apparent we're witnessing a dream. Charlie's father appears in the living room (we never really see his face), but he doesn't just show up in the dream -- oh no, he's hacking away at a butcher's table, slicing through meat and dolls (i'm telling you, this thing gets weird) and telling Charlie that he needs to forget about music and learn a trade. Suddenly, the scene switches to the present day. Charlie is now sitting at the piano ... and the piano is sitting in the island's surf. Charlie hears the muffled cries of baby Aaron. He looks left. He looks right. He looks confused. He suddenly realizes that Aaron is in the piano. Charlie tries to pry the case open, but he's momentarily distracted by whispering from the treeline (damm you island whispers!). In a flash, the piano is pulled into the surf and Aaron's cries fade away. Charlie snaps awake and quickly takes stock of his surroundings. Still on the island? Check. Still surrounded by monsters and crazy Others? Check. Absolutely sure that Aaron did not just float to a watery grave in a piano? Hmm ... Charlie darts down the beach toward Claire's tent. He sees that Aaron is missing, but he looks toward the beach and that's where he sees ... Claire cradling Aaron by the water, smiling and cavorting with her wee one. Locke appears at Claire's side and he too cavorts with the baby. Cavorting is all around and no pianos are in sight. It would appear that all is right with the world. Shortly thereafter, Charlie wanders toward Claire to check in and see if she wants to make out or something (what else are you going to do on the island?). Claire continues to have a wicked case of Cold Shoulder (remember: her icy demeanor stems from the lies Charlie told back in "The 23rd Psalm"). Charlie apologies -- again -- and tells Claire that he wishes things would return to how they were. Uh, Charlie? You do remember where you are, right? Perhaps you don't recall that near-death experience ... maybe that incident with the crazy French lady and the black smoke and the kidnapped baby has slipped your mind? Claire snaps Charlie from his reverie with a cold-hearted reminder: "... we were strangers on a plane who became friends." Charlie's elfin face turns sinister. "Now Locke's your friend, huh?" Then, just as quickly, Charlie returns to his friendly ways and the tension passes. Claire asks Charlie to give her space "for now" (what a tease). Charlie acquiesces and quietly leaves. Later that day, Charlie seeks solace in his guitar. He gently strums his instrument (that's not a euphemism) by the water ... but his interlude is interrupted, once again, but that friggin baby. With his piano escape thwarted earlier in the episode, Aaron has returned for another high seas adventure. This time, the young sailor is floating toward the Pacific shipping lanes in his all-purpose cradle (Locke built that thing with sailing in mind -- it floats like a cork). Charlie sees Aaron bobbing about and he calls out for help. No one answers. Charlie calls out again. No one answers. With Aaron rapidly moving out of sight, Charlie strips down and dives in. He successfully guides the child back to shore and proudly lifts Aaron from the S.S. Cradle. He beams in anticipation, expecting a rousing chorus of applause and cheers from the castaways who witnessed his heroic deed. But that's not exactly how it plays out ... At this point, I need you to take a breath and settle in. I honestly have no idea how I'm going to explain this next bit. I'll begin with a disclaimer: What happens next is, by far, the weirdest scene in "Lost" history. I'm not exaggerating. So Charlie lifts Aaron and he looks up the beach and that's when he sees ... his Mum and Claire ... dressed as angels ... wearing halos ... and flowing robes ... Uhhhh. The sky surrounding Mum and Claire is a golden hue -- the same sort of hue you see in religious paintings. Mum and Claire begin to yammer: "He's in danger ... you have to save him ... you have to save the baby ... you have to save him ... the baby's in danger ..." As this freakish cacophony continues, a bright light bursts from the background and out of it flies a white dove. The dove carves down from the sky and flies past Charlie and out to sea. Then, from beyond the treeline, Hurley appears. He's decked out in robes (lots and lots of robes). "Charlie?" Hurley asks. "What are you doing?" BLAM! Charlie blinks and the sky goes dark. Hurley is standing in front of him, but the robes are gone. Mum and Claire are gone, too. But Aaron is there ... and that's not a good thing. Charlie looks around and sees that it's the middle of the night and he's standing in the surf, clutching baby Aaron to his chest. Hurley is looking at him incredulously. Moments later, a scream pierces the night -- Claire has discovered that Aaron is missing (again). Hurley answers her cries for help. Claire, and every other castaway within 500 miles, comes running down the beach. Claire reaches Charlie (who is really confused at this point), grabs Aaron and then unloads a huge SMACK across Charlie's jaw. The castaways get real high and mighty at this point. There's lots of huffing and indignance and back-turning. Charlie is left alone, pondering his plight while the waves wrap around his ankles. When you're weary and suffering from highly realistic delusions with strong religious overtones, there's really only one person to turn to: Locke. And that's exactly what Charlie does. The next day Charlie meets up with Locke in the woods, but Locke is not his usual "c'mon down and let me help you" self. Locke, you see, is protective of Claire (a little too protective, if you ask me) and he's not at all pleased with Charlie's midnight baby-snatching activities. Charlie unwisely asks Locke if he can put a good word in for him with Claire. Locke gets that Sam the Eagle look -- narrowed eyes, unflinching stare -- and asks Charlie: "Are you using? Heroin? Are you using again?" Now, Charlie's response deserves some credit. He doesn't actually answer the question, but he does note: "Kate sees a horse! Nothing. Pretty much everyone has seen Walt wandering around the jungle, but when it's Charlie it must be the bloody drugs, right?" Sidenote: Did that offhand comment about Walt catch anyone else by surprise? I'm sure Charlie was exaggerating, but from what I can recall the only people who have seen Walt are Sayid and Shannon. Has Walt been popping up in other people's tents, soaking wet and mumbling backwards? So anyway, at this point Charlie realizes he needs to pull out all the stops with Locke, so he tells our bald-headed sage that he and Eko torched the Beechcraft plane and all of the Virgin Mary heroin statues. "All of them?" Locke asks. "All of them," Charlie replies, lying like a bandit. Locke's face softens and he transforms back into Obi-Wan. He tells Charlie that the best thing he can do is to leave Claire and Aaron alone -- it's going to take time for the trust between Claire and Charlie to re-form. Now, if Charlie had suffered from religious delusions last season, his support group would have been limited to only one eerily-wise island leader (Locke). But now we have two! So Charlie tromps back to the beach and seeks out Eko. He finds the stick-wielding priest engaged in a weird activity -- Eko is surveying trees and marking specific ones with a black "X." Charlie asks Eko why he's marking trees and Eko, enigmatic as ever, softly responds: "Because these are the ones I like." How awesome is this guy? Of course, Charlie is all about Charlie so he doesn't pursue the tree-marking matter. Rather, he asks Eko if Eko told Locke about the Virgin Mary statue he gave Charlie just before they burned the plane (remember, Charlie has a stash of Virgin Mary statues hidden in the woods). Eko, of course, didn't say a word (why would a guy this charismatic go around squealing about Virgin Mary statues?). Satisfied, Charlie then turns the conversation toward his dreams, telling Eko that he recently dreamt of a white dove and angels. A flash of recognition passes over Eko's face. "Have you ever considered that these dreams mean something?" Eko asks. Charlie, intrigued, takes a step forward. "Like what?" "What if you do need to save the baby?" Next thing you know, Charlie is tearing ass down the beach. He makes a beeline for Claire's tent, but his path is blocked (momentarily) by Kate. She tries to push Charlie back, but Charlie, empowered by Eko's "revelation," charges forward and tells Claire that he has to save the baby ... he has to have Aaron baptized. WHAT?! Eko concluded that Charlie's dreams were heaven sent and, as such, the visions of doves and angels were all signs that Aaron needed to be formally baptized. Now, I'm going to give Eko a pass on this one because he doesn't know Charlie very well and he couldn't anticipate that he'd go batty and badger Claire about the baptism. Nor could he anticipate what happens later that night ... But I'm getting ahead of myself. After Charlie's baptism incident -- an event that ended with Kate pushing Charlie down the beach as Locke looked on vengefully -- Charlie retreats to his sneaky Virgin Mary statue burial ground. He pulls a single statue from the stash and slams it down, exposing two small plastic bags of heroin. He plucks the bags from the wreckage and moves them lovingly around his palm. "I'm disappointed in you, Charlie," Locke says as he walks from the trees. Charlie, startled, tries to tell Locke that things aren't as they seem. Locke is having none of it. He's caught Charlie in a bold-faced lie and, being a man of action, he steps forward and stacks the remaining Virgin Mary statues in his backpack. "There was a time when I let you choose whether or not you were going to do this to yourself," Locke says, referring to last season's intervention. "Now I'm making that choice for you." Charlie grasps for excuses and explanations. He tries to appeal to Locke's mystical side, telling him that the statues are a test from the island. No dice. He follows up with a last-ditch "save the baby" excuse, but Locke responds with a deep, angry look. Desperate, Charlie weakly concludes with, "You have to believe me!" Locke looks him dead in the eye. He's got a verbal dagger all lined up ... "You've given up the right to be believed, Charlie," Locke says, plunging his word knife straight into Charlie's aorta. Charlie stands slack jawed in the jungle. Later that night, Charlie does something very, very bad. As the castaways start to settle into their tents, Charlie slides his hood over his head and scampers around, gathering dry sticks and grass. He piles the material off the beach and strikes a match. The kindling immediately blazes to life. Charlie darts back toward the beach. The fire soon attracts the attention of the castaways. Sayid, Locke and Sawyer assemble a makeshift fire brigade and begin battling the blaze. Claire watches from the beach, her back turned toward Aaron. Charlie uses the diversion to creep forward unnoticed. He slinks his hands around Aaron's body, lifting the boy from his cradle. He turns toward the beach, but Aaron whimpers and Claire spins around. She sees Charlie as he darts toward the shoreline. She screams bloody murder. At this point, the flames have been tempered and so Claire's screams immediately garner attention. Claire corners Charlie on the beach. Locke rushes in and extends his hands, telling Charlie to give him the boy. Charlie resists, claiming that Eko told him he had to do this. Oh, helllllll no. Eko, dumbfounded, assures the group he had no part in this wacked out scheme. Locke extends his arms farther as his anger rises (all that anger management training is starting to dissipate -- Old Testament Locke is about to make an appearance). Charlie chooses this moment to let forth the dumbest speech he could possibly deliver: "Who the hell are you, John? Aaron's not your responsibility! Where were you when he was born? [He was opening the hatch]. Where were you when he was taken? [He was retrieving the dynamite required to open the hatch]. You're not his father! You're not his family!" "Neither are you, Charlie," Locke responds. Charlie, realizing he's causing quite a scene, relents. Locke gingerly takes Aaron and hands him to Claire. Charlie, wide-eyed and distraught, looks on. He moves toward Claire, but Locke blocks his path with a swift backhand blow. Charlie reels backwards. Locke grabs him mid-fall, pulls him up and pummels his face with two Rocky-esque right hooks. A deep gash opens in Charlie's cheek as he sprawls into the surf. The assembled castaways do their indignant thing again -- huffing and puffing and turning away in disgust. The next morning, Charlie pouts alone on the beach (he must have picked that up from Ana "I'm an Outcast" Lucia). Jack walks up and surveys the gash in Charlie's cheek. As Jack prepares to sew stitches into the side of Charlie's face, Charlie uses this moment to admit that he set the fire (Jack's response: No shit). Jack asks for Charlie's assurance that nothing like this will ever happen again. Charlie responds by saying that he knows everyone thinks he's been using heroin again, but he didn't; he wanted to, but he didn't. "That's not what I asked, Charlie" Jack says. "It's not going to happen again," Charlie says. "Especially if Claire puts out." (Joke!) For the moment, equilibrium has returned to the island ... for the moment. In the final moments -- during, of course, a closing montage -- the threads of this episode are tied neatly together. Claire finds Eko and asks him to baptize both Aaron and herself (she wasn't baptized as a baby). Eko agrees and so Aaron and Claire are saved ... sort of. At the same time, Locke returns to the hatch and once again reconfigures the lock on the armory door. Inside, he stacks the remaining Virgin Mary statues on a high shelf and then softly shuts the heavy metal door. And finally, in the closing shot, Charlie sits alone by a fire. He grasps the sides of his hood and methodically draws it over his head. A slow, angry burn is gaining strength in his eyes ... Lord Vader ... RIIIIIIIIIIIIISE. |
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This episode was sprinkled with Charlie backstory segments, but we
really didn't learn all that much. Nonetheless, here are the high
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The relationship between Locke and Claire is getting creepy. We
haven't seen anything overt, but there was a moment in this episode that set off my "That's Nasty" alarm.
The scene in question occurs toward the end of the episode. Claire is a little wigged out by Charlie's constant warnings about Aaron's safety (can't blame her -- she's got a disturbing history on this island), so she asks Locke if she and Aaron can sleep in the hatch's bedroom for the next few nights. Locke notes that an alarm blaring every 108 minutes doesn't really jive with an infant's sleeping patterns, so that might not be such a good idea. But! -- and this is where it gets creepy -- Locke offers to bring his stuff to the beach camp and "set up right next to your tent." There's something about that phrase -- "set up right next to your tent" -- that just seems wrong. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I don't like tents. Or maybe ... Locke has dastardly designs on dirty deeds!
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Speaking of dirty ...
War preparation has brought Jack and Ana-Lucia closer together. You'll recall that last week's episode ended on a whopper: Jack asked Ana-Lucia what it would take to train an army. This week, we don't learn any additional details about this army business, but we do see Ana and Jack engaged in a chummy/flirty relationship. The high point of this chummy flirty stuff comes when Ana probes Jack (verbally, mind you) for details about his recent Other encounter. Jack told Ana about the conversation with the bearded Other, but he failed to explain why he, Locke, Sawyer and Kate came back with their tails between their legs. "He had a gun at Kate's head," Jack says tersely. [PAUSE ... INNUENDO POURS INTO ANA'S MIND ...] "You hittin' that?" Ana says with a smirk. Jack's snaps around. "What?" Ana gleefully continues: "Plane crash ... you both survive ... nice beach ... she's hot ... you're hot ... it's what people do!" Jack smiles sheepishly. "I'm not hittin' that." He's gonna be hittin' something in about three episodes. Plane crash ... you both survive .. nice beach ... she's a cop ... he's a doctor ... they're building an army .. it's what people do! |
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And in a stunning turn of events, the dirtiness continues!
The last three episodes have hinted at a burgeoning romance between Hurley and Libby. In this episode, the two finally spend a little time together. For some odd reason, Hurley has decided to share his love thoughts with Sawyer. Sawyer absolutely relishes the opportunity to pepper Hurley with a variety of insults (he calls him "Jabba") and innuendo (he teases him incessantly). Case in point: Hurley and Sawyer are playing cards when Sawyer sees Libby emerge nearby carrying a load of laundry. She trips a bit and drops her basket, which prompts Sawyer to whip out this classic line: "Well well, look who's off to the laundry mat ... Well go on! I'm sure you got a load you need to drop in, doncha Jethro?" Oh my. "Loads" and "hittin'" in the same episode. You know the writers were high-fiving when they slipped those doozies past the censors. But back to the matter at hand ... Hurley takes advantage of the laundry opportunity and goes with Libby to the hatch for a sudsy rendezvous. Libby makes eyes at Hurley and Hurley does all he can to remain conscious (he's beyond smitten at this point). But here's where things get interesting:
That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture. |
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Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.. Bat Boy photo © American Media, Inc. |
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Posted by Mac on January 26, 2006 10:56 AM | Email This
I actually think this episode did a lot to answer people's whining in the forums. "Why dont they ever talk about how Walt appears randomly." "Why the heck is there a brand new washer in a decades old bunker?"
For that second question, though, remember the response. Hurley said something to the effect of "All I know is that it works." And Libby follows with "My kind of man; someone who keeps it simple" or something like that. I think that actually could be a message from the writers to the fans saying "Chill the fck out. It's just a damn washing machine." Though it'd be infinitely cooler if it actually had meaning...
→ 2. Posted by: JRaw at January 26, 2006 11:18 AMShould also say, that this is by far and away the best Lost site. I find meself utterly compelled to watch the website and then come immerse myself in the topnotch reviews and wacky readings of the episodes.
Keep fighting the good fight youse lot.
→ 3. Posted by: Alex at January 26, 2006 11:20 AMWith you on that one JRaw
→ 4. Posted by: Alex at January 26, 2006 11:21 AMLike Simon in "Lord of the Flies", in last night's episode, Charlie appears to have been set up as a Christ-figure. Jesus sacrificed himself for the good of humanity, taking on our sins (and suffering great pain during his crucifixion). Charlie sacrifices himself for his brother. He gives up his piano so his brother can clean himself up, then he slips into heavy heroin use (taking on his brother's addiction - this is seen in last year's episode where Charlie visits his brother in Australia).
Mac, it's funny that you should make a comparisson between Charlie and Anakin Skywalker. If memory serves us correctly, in "The Phantom Menace", Anakin was touted as a potential "savior", just like Charlie was supposed to be the savior of his family, of his band, and of Claire and Aaron.
And like Anakin, Charlie appears to be getting sick (decenet to the darkside???). The imagery in the final frame suggests that Charlie is going to have to make a decision regarding his FATE (which is what he had written on the tape covering his knuckles in one of his dream sequences).
Will charlie be a savior, or like Lord Vader, the demise of the republic?
→ 5. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys (and girl) at January 26, 2006 11:28 AMWith regards to the washer, I can't believe in a show full of such intricate details and planning that they simply "goofed" and used an obviously very modern W&D in a facility that has a lot of deliberately aged accents.
It could be something as simple as the W&D washing up in a container that fell off a ship, or perhaps a replacement / resupply provided by Hanso... but more than likely it'll come to have some meaning or be evidence of something in the future.
I took Libby's comment about "a man who keeps it simple" to be more indicative of something in the future - related to her past, or possibly, related to whatever she's up to... I didn't really get the distraction vibe last night (maybe I was being distracted by her actions, heh) but in retrospect I can definitely see it. I'll be curious to see next week's rerun (haven't seen it yet)...
BH
→ 6. Posted by: Biohazard at January 26, 2006 11:45 AMHaha
is it just my opinion or is locke turning a little evil there?
the shot of locke watching charlie get pushed away from the baby and claire and the look on his face kinda hints at that.
go figure. and eko seems to be someone who used to be like locke...only saner.
i dont think that charlie is going to turn bad. i hope not anyways....
-K
I did not care for this episode at all. Too depressing! However, a couple lines that were left out of the review that I feel are important are when Claire asks Locke about baptism and why Charlie thinks so adamantly that she should do it to Aaron, Locke responds with something along the lines of: "Charlie wants to save the baby because he knows he can't save himself."
Also, the one line in the whole show that pierced my little heart was at the end, when Charlie's holding Aaron on the beach and all the castaways are gathered around, watching in horror, Charlie cries, "I wasn't gonna hurt him!" and Claire jabs back with, "You're hurting ME, Charlie!" Ouch.
About Eko's tree-hugging adventure, he seemed to be checking the trees for something before marking them. He stomped on the base or something, then marked it. Was he checking for stability? Or hollowness? Did he lose a baby robin's nest? Either way, it looks like Charlie's fire pretty much destroyed them all, though.
Lastly, about Libby: I read that she IS a compulsive liar. At first, when she said she's a clinical psychologist, I figured Hurley knew her from the psych ward as one of the shrinks. Now, I believe he knew her there as a PATIENT! Perhaps he has a chance after all....:) That was pretty funny though when she made him turn around so she could try on a shirt she found in the abandoned luggage. (Looks like something Shannon would wear, don't it?)
Mac, excellent review as always. I'm always amazed by how many small details I forget until I read your reviews (maybe it's the bottles of Burgundy that I open for each episode). Anyway, great review. My reactions:
1) When you say "After Charlie's baptism incident -- an event that ended with Kate pushing Charlie down the beach as Locke looked on vengefully", I feel like I need to point out how poignant this moment was -- and I don't think vengeance is what made it poignant. The amount of strength and protection emitted from the 5-second close up of Locke's face was just amazing. What an actor, what a scene. But I think that (at this point, anyway) vengeance is not what's on Locke's mind (that line will be crossed later in the episode, though.) What I took from the scene is that protecting Claire and that baby has become Locke's mission.
2) The Claire/Mum dream sequence is precisely the kind of scene that makes this show unlike anything on television. I had a sh*t-eating grin on my face during this scene.
3) I'd be interested to hear other folks' reaction to Locke's offer to camp out by Claire's tent. I didn't find this in the least bit creepy, I simply thought he was kindly offering his protection. Maybe that's just because I don't want to believe that Locke is capable of sinking to that level.
4) I'm glad the writers aren't assuming that viewers aren't intelligent enough to decide for themselves who they should like and who they shouldn't like. Charlie is a perfect example of a character that you WANT to like and trust, but you also have to take into account his drug addiction and his nasty penchant for lying straight to people's faces. I hate presenting characters in extreme black & white terms (in fact, that's one of my problems with Ana Lucia's character for the majority of this season, although her portrayal is improving), and this show has very little of that.
5) Speaking of LOST's writers, during this episode, I think it was Hurley who mentioned the "tailies." Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only people I've ever heard use that term is, um, us. I took this to be a sly shout-out indicating that the writers read what we write. Maybe I'm delusional, but that was my take.
OK, that's enough. Excellent episode, thanks for the review, Mac.
→ 9. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 12:13 PMOK, I may be out of the loop here, but I'm not familiar with the expression "hittin' that." Did she mean hitting on her? Or hittin' like, "You tappin' that keg?" I thought it made her sound very stupid though. Talk about being in Jr. High! (Oh yeah, I thought that one shot of Kate watching Jack and AnaL with jealousy in her eyes was interesting!)
→ 10. Posted by: Trinity at January 26, 2006 12:19 PMOK, Alex, I too found this episode hard to watch!! I hate that Charlie has become an out cast now, and I truly hope we're not seeing an Anakin scenario taking place! If he does go to the Dark Side, Locke pushed him with both hands. Man, he was dark in this episode! All of that "Who are we to tell anyone what to do" philosophy went out the window! He turned into Jack!
And It really bugs me that everyone on the beach would be so indignant. Like they've never done anything insane on this island! Give me a break! I was very pleased that Charlie at least had the presence to bring up Kates Horse and Walt, but come on! Sawyer chases a boar all over the island, Jack chases his dead Father...
and everyone looks at Charlie like he's the only one off his rocker! I guess the writers are just demonstrating how easy it is to be judgemental.
As far as Eko goes, I think he's picking out trees to cut down to build some kind of makeshift church. That was the first thing that popped into my mind. And I don't know, but was the area that burned where he had picked out his trees? I'll have to go back and look at the tape.
Did anyone else catch the slip up that Libby made when talking to Hurley? She said "...the flane" and then Hurley repeats it. Was that just her being flustered and trying to throw him off track so he wouldn't remember where he knows her from? Probably, but I just thought his raction to it was odd. And I agree with you, she IS up to something! I can't wait to see her back story so we can find out what their connection is. Either he will know some terrible secret on her, or she knows he's loaded and is looking for a nice meal ticket when they get rescued! She's too overtly flirty with him to be on the up-and-up.
Mac, you cracked me up again as usual! I loved the transition Locke made from "Sam the eagle" to "Obi Wan"! Very fitting! All other recaps pale in comparison to your witty analysis! Write on!!!
→ 11. Posted by: karen at January 26, 2006 12:19 PMRE: Eko and the trees. The monster has a habit of sucking trees right out of the ground. I immediately thought there was a connection there when Eko said "these are the ones that I like." Kind of like Eko was marking his territory. I think more will become of this.
→ 12. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 12:29 PMI found this episode rather frustrating, especially since we get caught up in soap operas and learn nothing new about the island. But alas, such things are expected in order to build to the ultimate climax which should live up to our expectations. Fortunately, we have this truly kick-ass Blog that at times (such as now) can be more entertaining than the actual show. Great job, BH!
Locke is getting creepy, but then again so is Jack. I get the sense that he's turning into Ana "everybody hates me" Lucia every minute. Maybe he's just pissed that Sawyer has completely stolen his thunder.
I'd like to see how Eko and Sayid interact. To me, they're the too coolest characters of Sayid must feel he's getting totally gipped. In the first season, he was Mister Handyman, Mister Radar, Mister LoveMaker. Now, he's dissipating into the background. What gives?
Keep up the good work.
→ 13. Posted by: FMdoc at January 26, 2006 12:34 PMIf you listen to the Official Lost Podcast, Damon Lindoff says something about a famous building in the London skyline that reveals something about the upcoming plot. I tried in vain (even with Tivo) to find this "building" but the closest I could get was the brief (1-3 seconds) glimpse of the skyline as Charlie and the director walk out the director's trailer. Did anyone else pick up something in that scene?
→ 14. Posted by: Jason at January 26, 2006 12:38 PMLost boys, on your comparison between Charlie and Jesus; one of the differences there is that Jesus WILLINGLY sacrificed himself for mankind to save us from our sins. Charlie wasn't given that choice. He didn't WILLINGLY give up his piano for his brothers well being. He had it taken from him without his consent, just like his band and his family. When his brother moves to Aus. with the money from the piano, he loses everything importatnt in his life in one fell swoop: his sentimental instrument which he's supposed to save his family with, any chance for the band to have a come back, and ultimately his ties with his brother- his family. And then in this episode, he's lost his "family" (in Claire and Aaron) all over again. We saw what happened to him after he hit bottom when he lost everything before, what will become of him now that he doesn't have the heroin to fall back on?
→ 15. Posted by: karen at January 26, 2006 12:38 PMThe Star Wars references cracked me up! Lord Vader Riiiiise! I was laughing to hard and I was reading this at work! Way to go.
As for the next episode, the cliff notes version of the preview is:
A. Sun getting snatched from her garden by somebody (an Other presumably, but could be evil Charlie who knows.)
B. Jack wanting to organize a Serach and Rescue, but demanding from Locke to know where he put the guns, and it looks as if Locke refuses. (It seems that Locke has hidden the guns and the statues in another part of the hatch)
C. Ana-Lucila declaring the Lost Aways aren't scarred enough.
→ 16. Posted by: Theoldred at January 26, 2006 12:41 PMInteresting...seems this episode has divided viewers into two groups: those who still believe in Locke, and those who are starting to doubt him. Personally, what some folks took as being his "dark side" I simply saw as his "hard-ass side." Putting your foot down to a drug addict who has endangered the life of a baby doesn't make you dark. I still believe in Mr. Clean!
→ 17. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 12:42 PMI thought "tailies" might be a shout-out, too, KG! I was excited to hear that in the dialouge!
→ 18. Posted by: karen at January 26, 2006 12:45 PMIf the writers do read these blogs, here's my suggestion....
As a mom of an 8 month old, the whole baby in a piano made me sick to my stomach...literally! It was brilliant, scary, twisted and creepy, but sick nonetheless. For the sake of all the mom's that watch the show, please don't do that anymore!!! I had to get out of bed and check my baby several times last night!
:)
→ 19. Posted by: Kimberly at January 26, 2006 12:48 PMI went back over the episode last night using Tivo. The scene with Charlie seeing the two "angels" has hidden faces in it. I didn't have time to go over it carefully but it looks like maybe Walt, Ecko, Ecko's brother, Michael, Charlie's brother maybe. Not sure. Then there is another face that just looks evil.
Hittin' that is a slang term you hear from teens and young adults. This term would be known to this character who worked the streets as a police officer. I thought it was in very good character for her to say something like that.
Oh yeah...one more thing...
MORE SAYID PLEASE! I agree with FMdoc? what gives????
SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID SAYID
→ 21. Posted by: Kimberly at January 26, 2006 12:53 PMJRaw, I agree with you on the comment from Libby, but I think it might be because either the people who post thier opinions on this sight are getting too close to what is going on or maybe having an influence on the writers. Who knows?
I think Locke is going to defect. He has always believed that he was on the island for a purpose and that it was a part of some grand design and who better than Zeke and his crew to give him the answers he seeks. I also think that this is why Aaron is in danger and there is conflict building between Locke and Charlie. I think that in return for answers to his questions, Locke will be required to hand over Aaron, succeeding where Ethan failed. I think Locke has also been using the computer to communicate to the Others. We haven't seen a whole lot of him lately and he's usually got his nose up in everybody's bidness, so to speak.
The best way to Aaron is by building a relationship of trust with Claire, getting her to let her guard down. By sleeping next to her and Aaron by the beach, Locke has a better chance of getting away with Aaron without anyone noticing for a longer time than if She was in the bunker. At best, he'd have 104? minutes before the alarm started blaring, waking up Claire and presumedly the baby. When she doesn't hear the baby cry, a search will ensue. At the beach, it could be hours before anyone noticed, giving Locke a better chance of delivering Aaron to the Others.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Idon't think Locke would hand Aaron over to the Others because he becomes evil. Just because he thinks it is necessary, like opening the hatch or drugging Boone to help him get over Shannon. The man's methods are not exactly Orthodox.
→ 22. Posted by: Curtis at January 26, 2006 1:12 PMInteresting theory Curtis. Locke definitely has something up his sleeve.
KG, you're still hoping Locke is good and is just exhibiting tough love with Charlie. But why hide the Virgin Mary statues? Why not destroy them, burn them, whatever?
Locke is one of my favorite charcters, but his evil side exhibited last night freaked me out and got me thinking about his first backstory episode where he tried to talk "Hellen" into going on the walk about. It was obvious that this Helen was a phone sex chick. This guy has not had a good life (foster child, evil father) maybe he is just inherintly evil. We don't know what happenned to the Helen (Married with Children actress) who seemed to have a positive relationship with Locke, how did that end? I bet now well.
→ 23. Posted by: Theoldred at January 26, 2006 1:22 PMA couple things I just noticed.
1)The painting on the stairway as young Charlie comes down for Christmas morning, is a depiction of John the Baptist baptising Jesus. There are two angels in the bottom left of the picture that are in the same pose as Claire and his Mom when he dreams of them on the beach.
2)When the dove in that dream appears in a flash of light, you hear a weird sound, almost like a prop plane engine, and as the dove descends, it casts a black, unnatural shadow on the foliage behind it. Very weird!
I couldn't see any faces, though, with my VHS recording. Anyone see anything else weird?
→ 24. Posted by: karen at January 26, 2006 1:22 PMInteresting Curtis! Don't forget Locke has enough heroin to make everyone sleepy while he walks off with the baby. He could also be slipping it to CHarlie to get him phsically adicted again, to manipulate him, or drive a further wedge between him and claire.
Watching this episode and the preview for the next, I couldn't help but thinking Locke has decided to become a or possibly THE leader. Perhaps he sees how incompetent Jack really is as a leader, and the danger his confrontational approach to the Others will bring. Perhaps he has had some other epiphany or self realization. Whatever it is, he is now making decisions for others. Telling Claire not to move to the hatch, taking the drugs from Charlie, the guns from everyone and especially Jack etc.
Lookout Jack, there is a new sherif in town and I am not talking about follow my scowl or I'll shoot Ana. This one is wiser, more calculating and has some serious resources to work with.
→ 25. Posted by: mf416 at January 26, 2006 1:32 PMMy take on Locke stashing the statues away was this: maybe he thought it was possible that Charlie was right about the heroin - that it was a test from the island. And if so, then who is Locke to go so far as to destroy them. So, just in case, he stashed them away.
Is anybody else as surprised as I am that a character as beloved and revered as Locke became so polarized in the viewers' eyes in the span of a single episode? And here I was thinking that Charlie took the brunt of this episode. In any case, if it turns out that Locke really is a Sith Lord, then kudos to you for picking up on this before me. But even though I agree that he's a little more convinced than other folks that Fate is the main force at work on this island, I don't see him putting Aaron in danger for the sake of finding out what the big puff of black smoke means.
→ 26. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 1:33 PMMac....as always, great review. One you think you forgot, but I think will definately be important given everyone's fascination with the man, is at the end, Ecko was walking through the trees he marked, he was walking through the same area that Charlie burnt.
→ 27. Posted by: Sam at January 26, 2006 1:37 PMThat crafty sumbit Locke knew that Charlie was lying about the statues being destroyed, and that's when he 'hatched' his plan to take the heroin for himself!
How do I know this? Simple. Locke is the ONLY ONE who knows about the heroin besides Charlie, and look where our little Hobbit friend is now.
Look back at the evidence in this episode:
- Locke staring at half-crazed Charlie blabbering about baptism while Kate fends him off? That's when Locke figures out how to oust Charlie, by giving him just enough rope to hang himself. Locke is smart enough to figure out that Charlie will take Aaron to try and baptize him, but he doesn't warn Claire.
- Locke practically PROTECTING the heroin by taking it away from Charlie instead of DESTROYING it on the spot like Charlie asked him to.
- Locke telling Claire that Charlie can't protect himself, even though Locke knows that Charlie isn't using again.
- Locke beating the crap out of Charlie to make him go away and not tell anyone else about the heroin!
- Locke hiding the statues in the vault where nobody else knows the combination OR how to break in!
Remember, Locke likes GAMES. He probably likes GAMES more than he likes PEOPLE. Whatever GAME he's playing now will be very interesting to watch unfold. (just like the laundry that comes out of the very new clothes dryer :)
Hey Alex in Scotland:
Supposedly ou can download the preview trailer for "The Long Con"-the next episode bby going to: http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Downloads
&d_op=viewdownload&cid=8&min=10&orderby=titleA&
show=10
•
Click on "The Long Con Promo"
Good luck, hope it works!
Alex: Tazbee again...sorry about that last url posting. Just use the part between the http and the 10. The • part was an error!
→ 30. Posted by: Tazbee at January 26, 2006 2:10 PMI think most people like the idea of Locke as "zen master", rather than "Punch-your-lights out-tough-love-guy". We just don't like to see our favorite charachters show any of those uglier human traits. It's painful when Charlie lies right to someones face, or when Jack goes totally stupid and can't seem to come up with any rational questions to ask the Others. It's painful to see Locke beat someone down, when you're used to seeing him in calm-and-controlled mode.
Of course, that's part of the beatuy of the show. We get to see ALL sides of these characters: the good, the bad, and the very ugly. But as veiwers, some of us enjoy the fantasy of seeing only good in a character. When some of the "darker" side is shown, it's unsettling. We want that delusional world that Charlie wants; you know the one where he, Claire and Aaron are one happy little family on a beautiful deserted island. Never mind the menacing smoke beast, or the kid snatchers, or the weird visions people have there! He wants things to go back to the way they were! We want Charlie to be a good guy without tendancies to lie and take heroin, and we want Locke to be a good guy and continually strive to help the Lostaways find their ultimate redemption on this island.
I don't speak for everyone, of course, but we do as humans want our "happily ever after". The thing that makes watching someone slip into "darkness" bearable, is the hope that they will find a way to conquer that darkness and get to the "happily ever after". And of course, riding that roller coaster makes it all the more gratifying if they do make it in the end. And if they don't, then that just blows!!! But maybe that's just me?
→ 31. Posted by: karen at January 26, 2006 2:14 PMI thought Locke's offer to camp out with Claire was motivated by an effort to keep her out of the hatch. And by Claire asking Locke, does that imply that the survivors are viewing it as Locke's hatch? I found it creepy that he told her 'no' - it seemed to me that it was more of a 'no' than a suggestion that the alarm would bother the baby...
→ 32. Posted by: Marr at January 26, 2006 2:16 PMOK, I'm just playing Locke's Advocate here since everybody else is writing him off as the next Hitler. If he did indeed want to keep Claire/Aaron away from the hatch, it wouldn't necessarily be for evil reasons. Think about it: the hatch is where the guns are, where the Earth-saving Commodore 64 is, where Desmond could show up at any moment -- in other words, it's not a safe and stable place. I can see why he wouldn't want a baby being housed there. I will be keeping a close eye on his future actions and motivations, but for the time being I'm still firmly in his corner.
→ 33. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 2:32 PMInteresting episode, I think this discussion, however, has a ways to go before figuring out all the key elements, so keep up the brainstorming. I have a couple of thoughts that haven't been mentioned.
1) Is Charlie's descent into craziness the "sickness" of the island that has been mentioned? He certainly is becoming obsessed with babies, similar to the Others.
2) I think we are bout to go "Lord of the Flies" with Locke and Jack in opposing camps.
3)Is Charlies "failure" to master his addiction the cause of his insanity? This episode is obviously leading us somewhere in regard to Charlie, but where?
→ 34. Posted by: texasrobster at January 26, 2006 2:35 PMI think we're on to something about Locke. I like Jon's theory and the other one about Locke wanting to take the baby to the others. He is devising a plan, revolving around the hatch. How many cuts have we seen with him fooling with the locks? Why not let Claire sleep in the hatch (the alarm argument was weak)? What about him hiding the guns? the heroin? There were too many unsettling hints in this episode to keep Locke clean.
→ 35. Posted by: texasrobster at January 26, 2006 2:43 PMAs far as Libby goes, I have a suspiciaon that she is going to be a TV or movie star who is trying to be incognito and looks different enough without makeup on to be unrecognizable. Hurley has a faint recoginition and cannot place her... she comes up with a spur-of-the-moment plane story to throw him off track, she wants to remain anonymous. She is certainly hiding something, whether this is it and why, I don't know.
→ 36. Posted by: Sarah at January 26, 2006 2:51 PMIf you listen during the angel dream sequence you can hear a prop plane that sounds like it is having engine troubles and then you hear an explosion and the screen appears to become more golden and then the dove appears from the sky. I watched this particular scene again in slow motion and noticed that there is a prop plane that flies by in the upper left part of the screen at the tree line. This may change what the dream means. How does the dove fit in now after this info. Any thoughts on this?
→ 37. Posted by: Jason at January 26, 2006 2:59 PMI agree w/ the theory that Locke is planning a defection to the "other" side. Staying on the island gives him every opportunity he was deprived of before the crash, and everyone else wants to be rescued. He can walk now, when he was paralyzed before. On the island, everyone respects his physical & spiritual leadership and before he was basically a joke. He is on a constant adventure here, where before he wasnt even allowed on the Walkabout b/c of his condition.
I cant remember, but did he vocalize any major objections when they set off in the raft last season?
I can totally see him trying to get close to claire so she lets her guard down enough for him to steal Aaron & bring him to the others in return for permanent residence on the island.
Love Mac's reviews & everyone's comments...keep up the good work!
→ 38. Posted by: matt at January 26, 2006 3:09 PMa couple of things that i've noticed that haven't yet been brought up (although not really any clue as to what they mean)....
1. the past two episodes have very prominently shown jack wearing the key around his neck. what's the key to? the federal marshall's safe that has guns in it.
2. when charlie takes aaron in the middle of the night they have charlie's "heroin junkie" makeup on... red, sunken eyes and whited-out lips. maybe charlie, during his sleepwalking episodes, has been unknowlingly using? dunno.
→ 39. Posted by: barb at January 26, 2006 3:33 PMgreat review once again mac. i have to say that at first i didn't think last night's epi was that great but after reading the review and the comments i have changed my mind.
it was very interesting how Locke suddenly changed from the cool dude to the hard-ass. i for one loved it when he punched the daylights out of charlie. that was just an awesome scene...totally unexpected!! don't get me wrong, i don't hate charlie but he was getting really annoying. and since the epi when they showed his hidden stash of drugs i don't really trust him. anyone else think that evil look he gets on his face is really freaky?
i also don't agree that Locke offering to protect claire and her baby is gross. he just doesn't seem that kind of a person but then who knows right!!! i just thought that was Locke being Locke...always willing to help others. why though does he save those statues?? can't wait to find out.
i too think that libby has something to hide. and i also think that hurley has her figured out coz at first he was really into trying to get her but when she actually flirts with him he seems a little wary of her. the mental institution is somehow going to link them i believe. yeah whats with the new washer's comment? i bet there is something behind that.
it was really interesting to see kate's reaction to sawyer's comments about jack and AnaL. they better get this love square sorted out soon coz i can't wait to see who ends up with who. oh yeah, loved anaL's lingo when asking jack about kate...still can't stand her though!!
anyone with any theories about who takes sun and why her???
have a nice break guys!!
→ 40. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 26, 2006 3:39 PMWell, katPlusSun=Fun, there are a few reasons why The Others (for example) may be interested in snatching Sun. 1) She has botanical medicinal skills. 2) Her abduction could turn Jin into a raving wacko just as Walt's abduction turned Michael into a raving wacko. 3) She's totally smokin' hot. Well, maybe not that third one. Also, don't forget about her close relationship with Michael, who may or may not be in the custody of The Others. That could come into play.
→ 41. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 3:51 PMhey KG, i am with you on the Locke thing. I don't agree with any of the explanations about him becoming an other and wanting to steal Aaron. First, do we even know for sure that the others want aaron? from the epi where they are coming for the kid(according to Rousseou) they weren't coming for Aaron but for Walt as we now know. and it was Rousseou who wanted Aaron only because she thought the others wanted him just like everyone else did. and from claire remembering scratching Rousseou's arm i don't believe it was the others that tried to take claire but rather Rousseau and her partner Ethan???
i thought the explanation about the alarm in the hatch was pretty reasonable too. from what we have heard so far it is pretty loud and it really wouldn't be in Aaron's best interest to be disturbed every 3 hours.
anyway, like KG said, if you guys are right and Locke is turning OTHERS! on us then kudos to you all. I still believe in him though!
yes please, more of Sayyid!!! what was he building and with who when he asks charlie for help right after charlie sets the fire?
→ 42. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 26, 2006 3:57 PMkatePlusSun=Fun,
In regard to the Others wanting the baby, I think we shouldn't write off this so easily for the following reasons:
1. Dreams about the baby "not being safe" by Charlie
2. Claire was kidnapped, remember?
3. The Others have taken other children besides Walt (Alex)
I guess we'll have to let it play out, but this episode was very intentional about Locke and Charlie. I think the writers are trying to give us clues into both these characters and how they will play a part in things to come.
→ 43. Posted by: texasrobster at January 26, 2006 4:26 PMMan oh man, I love this site...
Ok...
Lostboys+girl - I too see a profound connection between LOTF's Simon and Charlie in this episode. Especially the connection between Simon in the story feeding the Littluns fruit from the trees as they reached up to him as the sun shone rays of light down upon them....as the light shone down on Claire and his mum in his vision. However, William Golding purposely made Simon with flaws (aside from Piggy, Simon was the only other boy who suffered from a physical weakness...his fainting spells...he was eventually killed because of this...) just as Charlie suffers from his own flaws, his personal demons. What does this say about salvation? I am not sure...
KG - I hope they are talking about us with their "taillies" references!
Jason - you mentioned something about the London skyline...I noticed yesterday in the last flashback scene that the camera focused on the underground sign for Brixton for what seemed longer than it should have...I know nothing about London at all, but could this be some sort of clue?
Karen - I saw the dove's black shadow too...I thought at first that it was two birds...one black and one white...going back to all the black/white references in this show...piano keys, Charlie's FATE letters, Charlie's shirt...etc..
Jason - I didn't even notice the prop plane in the vision scene...but didn't Locke once dream about a prop plane too (that eventually wound up being the Beechcraft they found...)???....why do prop planes keep recurring in dreams???
texasrobster et al regarding Locke - I was really troubled watching the episode and Locke's role in it last night too....he was my long standing fave until the entrance of Eko, and I too felt something a bit amiss about good ol John last night...starting with the pan to his evil gaze while watching Charlie trying to warn Claire....something is not right there and I can not figure out whether Locke is going evil or he possesses some sort of knowledge of what's to come and maybe his actions last night are in preparation for this (the hiding of the statues, the oddball answers to questions, the coming attractions where he keeps the guns from Jack)...I have always believed that Locke is the only person on the plane who benefitted from the plane making contact with the ground upon impact..yes, at this point in the series many other characters have either redeemed themselves or fought and won their own personal battles as a result of having spent some time on the island, but Locke is the only one who came out better for having actually made contact with the earth when crashing, i.e. he could suddenly walk again. Maybe he senses what is about to happen with the survivors and the others (all out battle), and fears if there is some sort of war or balance is thrown off at their camp, that he may lose the ability to walk again. Maybe he knows, somehow, that this is not what the island "wants". Maybe he is just listening to the island and preparing...wow, that's pretty out there, but I am just throwing that idea into the ringer...
Regarding Jack and Locke splitting up into two camps a la Lord of the Flies...I always saw the correlation between the show and the book (how could you not?) and believed Jack (on the island) to be the Raplh character from the book(the rational one who symbolizes order and authority) but never really quite picked out the Jack character from the book (the savage who symbolized basic human instinct and irrationality or reflex)....maybe, after all this, it is Locke....interesting theory....
One last thing....why doesn't Eko ever change his shirt? Everyone else seems to be making do with what was found in suitcases (I mean, hey, they can even do laundry) and changing clothes regularly, but not Eko...always the same raggedy, torn, white shirt....
→ 44. Posted by: Vikki at January 26, 2006 5:02 PMHey Karen. Ya, Charlie does not 'willingly' allow Liam to take his piano, but Charlie could have at least fought back. However, Charlie ALLOWS Liam to continue (really, Charlie could have/should have kicked the crap out of Liam)knowing that his own sacrifice will be better for Liam, his wife, and Megan. It was prophesized that the piano would save the family. This sacrifice for Liam ends Charlie's life. Not physically, but psychologically as Charlie begins the slow, agonizing, trek into addiction. Now, on the island, Charlie has been reborn, however, the other survivors do not believe in Charlie's new life, and do not see how Charlie's "rebirth" could put Charlie as a savior.
→ 45. Posted by: The "LOST" boys and girl at January 26, 2006 5:17 PMVikki, I think that Ecko doesn't change his shirt because he looks, to borrow a phrase, "Dead Sexy" in that raggety shirt! :)
→ 46. Posted by: Theoldred at January 26, 2006 5:26 PMok texasrobster, i agree that we can't write it off but the dreams could also have just meant that aaron needed to be baptised(MAYBE??). as i mentioned we don't know for sure if it was the others who kidnapped claire. i mean from what we have seen of them so far they do not give up easy and why would they give up on claire so easily? i still have my doubts about who kidnapped claire especially with the scratch marks on rousseau and claire remembering doing it and rousseau finally taking aaron.
but then again, i could be wrong!! keep the comments coming. i love this site!
→ 47. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 26, 2006 5:32 PMClearly, strange things are afoot at the Circle K.
Mac, is that a quote from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?
→ 48. Posted by: SnakeJake at January 26, 2006 5:53 PMI just wanted to comment on the scenes for the next episode. When they show Sun being dragged away with a hood over her head, making you think she will be captured by the "others", I think it will actually be Jack and Ana Lucia who are "kidnapping" her. Ana Lucia makes a comment about how everyone thinks they are safe. In order to get people to join their army, Jack and Ana Lucia are going to have to show them just how unsafe they are. By putting a bag over Sun's head and dragging her through the forest they will be showing Sun what an easy target she really is. Sun will be their first recruit with her husband signing up right behind her.
Very interesting idea, M.E.! I would not have expected that if it happened.
Trinity, I like the idea of Libby being a pathological lier and a mental patient rather than clinician. I'm interested to see where the writers are going with that.
→ 50. Posted by: karen at January 26, 2006 6:25 PMHey fellow Lost addicts,
One quick point I thought I'd bring up. Nobody has mentioned the huge part about the babtism and heaven. I feel this was the cental motif of this particular episode. Borrowing from a past theory about all the castaways being in Purgatory or Hell this would be a huge plot development.
Maybe Charlie is having these dreams that Aaron must be babtised in order for him to escape from "hell" or "the island" and go to heaven i.e. the real world.
Every episode is becoming more and more littered with biblical references and stories. I belive these will play a central role in the comming weeks and months to come. Does anybody agree?
→ 51. Posted by: dr.no at January 26, 2006 6:40 PMSnakeJake -- You got it! I love that movie.
→ 52. Posted by: mac at January 26, 2006 6:53 PMGreat review once again!
One thing I took away from this episode is that Eko knows a heck(o) more about what's really going on than is shown on the surface. Remember he's seen into the eye of the 'beast', as it were, during his spectacularly bizarre staring competition.
This week we see him at the start of the episode marking trees he 'likes' At the end of the episode we see him surveying the burnt trees. The look of realisation on Eko's face when hearing about Charlie's 'dreams' suggested to me that he may have had premonitions of his own.
Maybe he just saw fragments... Burning trees, for example.. but the dove ties his dreams with Charlie's. I think Eko was marking trees he recognised from his visions - the ones he thought 'likely' to burn.
One thing is for sure, once Locke had his stand-off with the (then unseen) LostZilla, he certainly had more of an understanding for the bigger picture. He interpreted this his way... the Hatch has the answers. Eko would interpret it his own more spiritual way.
Just some thoughts. Let me know what you think!
→ 53. Posted by: MagicalTrevor at January 26, 2006 7:14 PMI agree with you MagicalTrevor. I think both Locke and Eko after having seen the eye of the monster "know" more than the other people on the island. But what they "know" definetly remains a mystery.
→ 54. Posted by: dr.no at January 26, 2006 7:19 PMInteresting review, mac.
I was also thinking about an analogy to Star Wars - it was during the last episode (Eko was talking about how many Nigerian children could be saved by vaccinating them using the money they would gather by selling the drugs to another country - I think the line between good and evil was totally blurred here. It reminds me somehow of darth plagues the "wise" who could create life and save people from death by using the darkside... - it was all about the conflict between power and intention. Eko's brother, being a priest, simply couldn't achieve the same goal (vaccinating the children), because he didn't have the necessary power by just doing "good" things...). One commonality is that both stories are far too complex to simply think in black and white.
Why does everyone think Locke is a "good" guy? Just a reminder - he already sacrificed Boone to the Island! Maybe he soon will sacrifice Aaron and/or Charlie and/or Claire to the Island (or to the Others if there's a difference).
btw, was anyone else irritated by Locke saying to Claire: "Hi, how is OUR boy?"
My wild speculations of the week: somehow I think the plane crash survivors are really just dreaming and held in an experiment. This episode seemed to me like a bad dream from Charlie's perspective (are they constantly feeding drugs into his brain...?) and these whispers - perhaps it has to do with the experiment. Perhaps we hear whispers every time when something in the experiment has gotten out of control and must be corrected. Perhaps "sickness" is just another word for it from another perspective. Perhaps somebody will soon die because we (again) saw a plane crash in a dream sequence (like we saw a crash just before Boone died...).
→ 55. Posted by: Margot at January 26, 2006 8:52 PMI guess we can put to rest from last weeks episode where Sawyer called the leader of the Others "Zeke" the theory that Sawyer knew him. Did anyone catch all of the nicknames that Sawyer called Hurley in this weeks episode? Three that I counted. The first one "Donivan", 2nd - "Jethro", then 3rd - "Hoss". I think he makes these nicknames up on the fly. They just come right out of his mouth.
→ 56. Posted by: Todd G at January 26, 2006 9:09 PMI think Eko doesn't change his shirt because he is so big he can't find another one that fits him. And does anyone else wonder what they are using for diapers for the baby?
I tend to agree that Charlie is using heroin unknowingly--he looked like someone who had been using with the red rimmed eyes and white lips. And he has been sleepwalking, so it's possible.
This is really picky, but it bothered me that Jack sewed up Charlie's face the next day. A doctor would know that it isn't accepted practice to suture facial wounds after so many hours had passed--it would have been better for him to use a butterfly bandage.
Love the review and the interesting comments.
Two things...
#1 - Heroin can be used as medicine. Maybe Locke stashed the dope for future medicinal purposes (or to get people all bent out out shape when he needs to sacrifice them to the island).
#2 - Another Sawyer nickname for Hurley that was not mentioned..."Jabba."
→ 58. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at January 26, 2006 9:44 PMThanks, guys, for all the feedback on my theory about Locke. But remember, I don't think he's evil. Most everyone believes that of anyone, Locke is their best hope of getting off the island, right? I think that Locke has a plan but being as unorthodox as he is, his plan would not be widely accepted, especially by Claire, whose child it would be that was brought to the proverbial sacrificial altar. I don't believe that he will become an Other, but he will use them if he believes it will help him discover and fulfill his purpose on the island that he so devoutly believes in.
While I believe Locke will use Aaron, I also believe that he has a contingency plan that will rescue him. Aaron is a tool Locke may use to achieve his plan, but he has no intention of endangering Aaron or leaving him with the Others.
Of course, we've seen that Locke doesn't mind stepping on toes to achieve his purposes, a trait obviously inherited by his father. I think he saved the heroin because he may find a use for it later on. Perhaps, slipping it to the Others and escaping with Aaron after he gets what he wants from them. Maybe also rescuing Walt and Michael.
I also found it odd that Charlie looked like he did when he was going through withdrawals from heroin during the 'white rabbit' episode. I don't think he was using, but maybe it was a visual effect to show the viewers that Claire and Aaron are his new addictions.
→ 59. Posted by: Curtis at January 26, 2006 10:07 PM
I had the unfortunate experience recently of seeng the movie 'Dukes of Hazard'. I believe Zeke and Roscoe are the same rube.
→ 60. Posted by: Curtis at January 26, 2006 10:13 PMA scene that nobody has mentioned yet is the short scene just before Sawyer sets Jabba up with Libby. Sawyer and Hurley are playing cards, and when Sawyer declines another hit, Hurley questions him. Sawyer's response: "...You gotta assume that I'm going to bust." Then Hurley incredulously says...."Why?"
Surely this has something to do with Hurley and his relationship with numbers (anybody notice what next Wednesday's episode is? You guessed it...Numbers).
→ 61. Posted by: KG at January 26, 2006 10:18 PMGood observations, Kathy. I thought it was dumb that Jack sewed up Charlie, too. Not only was it late, but ... well, it just didn't look that deep.
In addition to your question about diapers for the baby, I'd like to know where they came up with all the extra tarps for shelters, lol...
→ 62. Posted by: silkyway at January 26, 2006 10:49 PMLong time reader -- First time blogger (Seriously!) I've always taken these black / white references lightly but Charlie's T-shirt stood right out to me. In all of the Lost posters and ad campaigns the buffalo was black on a white background. On last nights episode, it was totally opposite. Come to the darkside, Luke!
Mac, by far the best reviews I've been exposed too. Have tried to convert the wife over but she refuses. She's still hung up on another site.
If you watch the second hallucination slowly, right before the dove flies out of the jungle, a prop plane disappears into the trees in the upper left corner. It's clearly yellow, and I'm fairly certain this is the same plane that contained the statues and all.
Also, my girlfriend has felt this way for awhile but I've only just now started to agree. Recall Russeau talking about her shipmates getting "sick"? I think Locke might be "sick" as well. Him punching out Charlie like that seemed entirely uncharacteristic. I think something big is going to go down with him.
-BKred
→ 64. Posted by: Ben at January 26, 2006 11:13 PMI just realized that there was a correlation between Charlie doing the "Butties" commercial and Charlie making cloth "nappies" (or what I would call cloth diapers) for Aaron. Kinda funny.
I would also like to point out how unrealistic this show has been in regard to Aaron. I mean, seriously, there are how many women on the beach, and some of them have their own children back home, so wouldn't they be giving Claire advice and offering to babysit or just hold Aaron for a while?
It just doesn't seem right that old, bald John Locke who has no kids of his own would be the first person to teach Claire how to swaddle a baby, does it? In my experience with only one baby boy, practically every woman that sees the baby wants to interact with him somehow or give advice on how to take care of him. Once a mother, always a mother.
So while it's a nice plot device to have only the "main" characters involved with Aaron, the writers haven't really come up with any good reason why Claire doesn't yet have a few girlfriends that are willing to take care of Aaron at a moment's notice.
Hi all,
Great review. I know this isn't on par with what you guys have been talking about recently but am i right in thinking that the plane that crashed with them in (pilot Episode) is a prop plane?
If so don't you think that getting a flight from Aus to LA should really be a jet aircraft and not a prop? I mean Jack is a top flight doctor, Hurley is a lottery millionaire,
and shannon and boone seem wealthy. When sat in there seat didn't it occur to them that this was not right (must of looked out of the window).
We know the Darma sign is on one of wings after the crash.
I think Eko is marking the trees as he knew that Charlie boy was going set them alight (Some kind of preminission), he marked either to influence charlie because he knew he would come to him for advice instead of locke or if it was a preminission he was doing it to prove him self right.
Did anyone notice the polar bears in the crib when the band was doing the nappy commercial?
Does any one have a pic of these faces in the trees?
Soooooo many questions NEED MORE LOST.
Dave...I thought Eko was marking the trees for the same reason as well...then noticed it was him walking through the ashes after the fact...I am wondering why Charlie would go ahead and burn those particular trees down in that particular patch of beach/jungle, especially after receiving such divine advice from someone he obviously respects....I think there might be more of a story there....
→ 67. Posted by: vikki at January 27, 2006 7:41 AMFor those that haven't seen it nor have HD, here is a screen capture of the plane crash in Charlie's dream/vision/drug-trip.
→ 68. Posted by: Marty at January 27, 2006 7:46 AMFor those that haven't seen it nor have HD, here is a screen capture of the plane crash in Charlie's dream/vision/drug-trip:
http://community.livejournal.com/lostdiscussion/30267.html
(it helps if I include the link).
Marty.
→ 69. Posted by: Marty at January 27, 2006 7:47 AMIf you click the little FF button on the site Marty listed above, you get to see the pic of the London skyline that eluded some of us as we watched in real time. It's a pic of an unused power plant. The same power plant used on the cover of Pink Floyds "Animals" album. What it means? Not a clue!!!
→ 70. Posted by: karen at January 27, 2006 8:29 AMHi,
Marty cheers for that. I think thats the losties plane!
If you go to the oceanic-air website and goto the travellers section at the bottom, Then click find, then click on the 'numbers' according to the seats. Once thats done click on Edward Mars (27G)Then click on kates when it appears, Then finally roll your mouse over the side view of the plane and VOLLA the plane in the top right of the picture crashing. Its thier own plane crashing.
Am i Right or Am i right?
Tell me I'm right? Please
→ 71. Posted by: Dave at January 27, 2006 8:29 AMThe power Plant is a famous land mark in England its now dissused its called Battesea power station, its considered a piece of modern industrial art. Now it houses some very famous art exhibitions and very popular.
→ 72. Posted by: Dave at January 27, 2006 8:32 AMThanks for the extra info Dave! And thanks for the providing the link, Marty!!
→ 73. Posted by: karen at January 27, 2006 8:58 AMI distinctly remember that the hands that started the fire and I don't think they were Charlie's. There was no tape on his fingers that said "fate". The hands also had a distinct ring that I dont remember Charlie wearing. Anyone else have anything to add to this observation?
Thanks Mac for the great reviews!
Eric
For the people who want (and need) more Sayid... episode 14 will be completely Sayid-centered.
→ 75. Posted by: SnakeJake at January 27, 2006 9:28 AMCurtis,
I don't agree at all that Locke is their best hope at getting off the island. If they ever get the chance to leave, I woulnd't be suprised if Locke is the only one that stays. John, that is very interesting about Claire and not having any girlfriends. Not really important, but a slip by the writers most likely. Maybe the writers are mostly male?
RE: Hurley and Libby: Anybody else think it was odd the way Hurley said "the flight" after Libby said "You mean other than the flight" when Hurley asks if they know each other? As if he was bordering on a moment of recollection. Libby seemed to want to put a quick end to that, didn't she? Nothing like stripping naked and donning a slinky dress to get a guy's mind off track.
Also, Charlie is asked TWICE during "Fire & Water" to answer questions that he didn't initially directly answer. He answers directly ONCE (when Jack asks if Charlie will endanger Aaron/Claire again). The other time (when Locke asks if he's using again), he answers indirectly. Perhaps an indication that he's using, whether he realizes it or not?
→ 77. Posted by: KG at January 27, 2006 10:21 AMSomething is definitely up with Libby....I don't trust her either...Has Hurley even checked the manifest yet for all the taillies????
→ 78. Posted by: vikki at January 27, 2006 10:59 AMI have no answers to the following question, but I thought I'd throw it out again as it hasn't been mentioned in a while and I haven't seen any answers. Why did so many tailies get abducted while the fronties remained relatively intact? And why are the Others now trying to make some sort of truce with the castaways? Why did Ethan try to abduct Claire alone, while clearly the Others have been acting as a team in all other encounters? Maybe there is less organization/cohesiveness between the Others than we think. It there anarchy on the island or is it truly a "utopian" society?
Eric - about Charlie being the one who set the fire... I wondered the same thing at first, but I re-watched it, and he is wearing that same ring earlier in the episode when you see him down at the beach. Also, didn't he long ago lose the FATE bandages on his fingers? Isn't that what he used to leave a trail for Locke to find him when Ethan had him? Interesting though... He had them on his fingers during his piano playing delusion on the beach, and I think also when he was playing piano as adult Charlie on Christmas morning. Hmmm.
Also, just how many of the main characters have now been referred to as "special". Help me count. Charlie, Jack, Walt, Aaron, Locke, etc.
→ 80. Posted by: hookedonlost at January 27, 2006 11:21 AMIs it possible that Libby was Hurley's psychiatrist when Hurley was in the mental hospital? I agree with everyone, there is more to Libby that meets the eye.
→ 81. Posted by: Sam at January 27, 2006 11:28 AMI just realized something, didn't Libby say that Hurley stepped on her foot. Well, I think we just caught her in a verifiable lie. It's circumstantial but given:
- Hurley was the last on the plane
- Hurley was a "Middie"
- Libby was a "Tallie"
Hurely's seat should have been in a row before Libby's, thus making it impossible for him to "step on her foot" as he boarded the plane.
→ 82. Posted by: Theoldred at January 27, 2006 1:00 PMOK, here I go:
- I saw Evangeline Lilly on the 'Ellen' show earlier this season, and she said 'Tailies' was the actual word used in the scripts when referring to Ana Lucia and Co. (Way before we/anyone started using the term.) Sorry to burst some bubbles, but our influence on the writers is non-existent.
- Kate and Charlie don't have many scenes together, but it always distracts me when watching a show to know what's going on with the characters in real life...i.e., Evangeline and Dominic are engaged. Never ever would've pictured those 2 together. (Sorry Mac, that'll be the extent of my gossip!) But I loved how Kate was able to keep Charlie away from Claire/Aaron in that scene. Only a strong (or strong willed) woman like her would have been able to do that.
- I always thought it was strange that Claire wasn't hanging out/sleeping in the hatch. I think most new moms in her situation would be more inclined to keep their newborns out of the elements and in this (relatively) safer place. Plus, it would allow for more privacy when nursing. (Which we have to assume she's doing- not any baby bottles or formula or milk on the island...coconut milk wouldn't be too great for a newborn either!) Locke's argument about the alarm noise was very weak to me. Most newborns will sleep through loud noises like that surprisingly well.
- I think Locke did go overboard with Charlie in this episode...I would've liked to have seen him try to reason with or help Charlie, not just knock him down and leave. But as far as him joining or working with the Others? No way. He definitely has an agenda or something up his sleeve (I too was surprised when he locked up the statues instead of destroying them), but I think ultimately he believes he is doing what is best for his fellow Losties. And I don't think he has any agenda with Claire/Aaron other than simple protection. But then again, I don't believe the writers had him say 'our' boy for no reason. That was the one thing that did creep me out concerning Locke in this episode. Hopefully he just meant it in a grandfatherly sort of way.
- When I saw Charlie's mum and Claire in the dream sequence, I didn't think they were angels, I thought they were Charlie's personification of the Virgin Mary statues. Someone had a good catch about the pic on the stairs wall though.
- The Drive Shaft diapers commercial had to be the funniest scene I've seen so far. Big kudos to the writers on that one.
- I can't wait to see how the Libby thing plays out...I also vote Hurley knows her from the mental hospital. I forsee a good episode or two coming up concerning them.
- The fact that Desmond is still MIA really bothers me. They've got to address that issue soon.
- Jin & Sun are 2 characters who's back stories and current situation seem to have come full circle. There's been major resolution/reconciliation between them- everything from their past seems neatly tied up and all forgiven now. I could be wrong, but we probably won't see much more back story on them unless it directly relates to another Lostie.
- Someone mentioned last week they think Jack's wife left him for someone we know. I don't think they would've played it that way if that wasn't true, as everything on the show gets connected in some way. Can't wait to see who it was!
- I thought it was outrageously stupid of Charlie to snatch up Aaron that second time for 3 reasons. #1- He saw how poorly everyone reacted when he did it the first time (and that time it wasn't even on purpose). Did he think they'd react any better this time? #2- He desperately wants to patch things up with Claire. That second 'abduction' pretty much ruined that for good. #3- Charlie couldn't baptize Aaron himself anyway. He's not a priest, so the baby wouldn't be 'saved' through his actions. I couldn't believe he was running toward the water like he was going to do the baptizing himself. Doesn't make sense.
→ 83. Posted by: JoePike at January 27, 2006 1:04 PMI didn't read that much into Locke's comment to Claire. I think Locke referring to Aaron as OUR baby was just sweet. She's scared, young, and a new mom. He just wanted her to feel as if she wasn't alone, and that she has a support system there on the island - even if an unconventional one. Who knows - but that's what I thought.
→ 84. Posted by: hookedonlost at January 27, 2006 1:21 PMI've been thinking about the preview and Sun's abduction... we know Michael is still MIA after going searching for Walt, and Walt is with the Others... Zeke said Michael would never find them, but he's obviously found / been found by someone or something. I think it's not outside the realm of possibility that Michael will come back and kidnap Sun as part of a plot or ploy to get Walt back or, if he is with the others, to help care for Walt.
That, or the Others are kidnapping her at Walt's request or to help them out with Walt. Michael left Walt in her care early in Season 1, and she did behave somewhat motherly towards him.
Locke's up to something. Not sure what. I do think that it's likely he won't want to ever leave the island, and the Others obviously aren't leaving or haven't been able to leave - and consider the island their home. If there is a 'sickness' I wonder if it's associated with spending a lot of time in the Hatch (quarantined for a reason?) ... Michael was spending a lot of time in there chatting with "Walt" and Locke has spent quite a bit of time in there as well. Desmond had lived there for quite some time and seemed a bit off, as well.
As far as Christ allusions, given the symbolism of the dove and the story of John the Baptist and Christ, it would seem that Aaron would represent the Christ child, and Eko would be John the Baptist. Just a thought...
BH
→ 85. Posted by: Biohazard at January 27, 2006 2:11 PMJust a random idea that Im throwing out there, but is it possible that the Losties only have visions/delusions after coming in close contact with the Monster?
→ 86. Posted by: JRaw at January 27, 2006 3:26 PMJoePike, Charlie acting so radically crazy does support the idea that there is something really wrong with him, i.e. the "sickness", using in his sleep, Hanso produced hallucinations... Whatever it may be, he's deffinately off his rocker a bit to take Aaron into the water twice and burn up Eko's trees as a diversion! (I think that the fact that they were Eko's trees was unintentional on Charlies part?) I'm anxious to see what the reason is for him becoming crazed!
But, let's not forget that anytime it's your week to have a flashback, your gonna get stupid!!
→ 87. Posted by: karen at January 27, 2006 5:02 PMI HATE LOCKE SOOOOOOOOO MUCH NOW ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY!
→ 88. Posted by: murphdogg at January 27, 2006 7:15 PMare we even sure that the trees that charlie burnt down were the same trees that ecko was marking? i didn't seem to think so but i could be wrong. somebody have any proof of that? i don't think that just because ecko was walking through them in the end meant they were the same trees. i thought he was just trying to figure out why charlie took that approach.
→ 89. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 27, 2006 9:05 PMMy first thought when seeing Sun abducted was that it was Anna Lucia trying to make them more afraid of the Others so that raising an army will be easier.
I'm of the opinion that Locke is just taking on the role of protector of Claire and Aaron and doesn't have any alterior motives. His attack on Charlie was just in the job of protecting them. And using the term "our Aaron" is as innocent as a doctor saying "how are we doing today?".
As for Rousseau getting scratched by Claire, my initial thought was that Rousseau was helping Claire to escape from Ethan but Claire was "out of it" so unaware of what was taking place.
→ 90. Posted by: Ardie at January 27, 2006 11:06 PMi don't think this has been asked but is eko REALLY a priest? i mean really? if he isn't then its like me or you babtising jr. that leads into a whole new relm of questions
→ 91. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at January 28, 2006 1:24 AMSo, I'd like to think that Charlies dream means that he needs to clean up loose ends so he can prepare to become a protector. With Claire and Mum in halos, it signifies the Virgin Mary statues. The prop plane is how the little statues got on the island in the first place, which is the same plane we see crashing in Charlie's dream. Eko should be a little responsible the drugs in the statues, and getting the statues on the island. Eko's character seems to have no guilt in leading Charlie to think he needed to save Aaron. I'm fine with that, but I'd think he would have a little more guilt knowing that Charlie was labeled a user, since it was Eko's drugs in the first place, AND knowing that it was Eko's idea for baptising Aaron. Eko unconsiously set Charlie up for this "test". Not to bash on Eko too much, I love the guy, but I find it strange he hasn't stepped up a little. (He just stood there all shaggy style, "it wasn't me") Poor Charlie, he's getting no support, not even from Locke. And what of Locke? I think his weakness is just that he's feeling like a provider for the first time in his life. Locke's character has almost no ego, until now...I think it feeds him to know that he can provide for someone who is in need of a stable male in her life. Also, I would think Locke fancies himself as a good father-type. Remember his friendship with Walt? hmmm... how did that turn out. I hate to think of a Locke-Other conspiricy, but I can't rule that one out.
Back to Eko's plane...it has really created a mess. It killed Eko's crime buddies, as well as his brother. It showed itself to Locke, only to distract him away from the hatch. It took out Boone, and recently, it gave Charlie a big test in the form of temptation...I hope he passes!
→ 92. Posted by: YenSaltRed at January 28, 2006 2:43 AMTo my knowledge, again, the hatch is not quarantined. The inside of the hatch door, that they blew up, had "Quarantined" on it. The other door, at the other hatch, also had "Quarantined" on the inside of it.
It's the Island that is Quarantined, not the hatch.
→ 93. Posted by: schiano at January 28, 2006 3:08 AMEvidence that Eko is REALLY a priest:
- He is, quite literally, an ordained priest.
- He seemed to actually find redemption in being mistaken for a genuine priest, because it saved his life
- He wears his brother's cross (formerly his cross)
- He repented for killing (in self defense) by not speaking for 40 days & nights.
- He is familiar with both Old & New Testament, and he seems to try and share this knowledge when relevant.
- He seemed to claim ownership of The Bible from the Arrow bunker before he knew it contained anything other than scripture.
- He appears to try and live by his religion rather than only preaching. Just a few examples:
- He doesn't seem to use violence for his own gain or out of anger
- He seems to try to help people in need when he can
- He comforts people who are afraid or unsure or sad
- He doesn't seem to fear anything other than not living by his principles
Remember that Eko turned to a life of crime by killing a priest. But he saved his brother, and his brother became a priest. It seems to me that Ecko was able to justify the crimes that he committed because his brother, who he seemed to protect, was doing good. But when Eko's brother saved him and sacrificed himself, it seems that Eko felt a responsibility to take his brother's place.
Ultimately, Eko seems to have a strong sense of right and wrong, and he was able to justify being wrong to great extent for most of his life, but not any longer.
I don't believe that Charlie burned the same trees that Eko burned later in the episode. Eko's trees were near the shoreline because you could easily see the ocean; whereas, Charlie burned trees further inland.
Marty.
→ 95. Posted by: Marty at January 28, 2006 9:49 AMBack to Locke...unless I am mistaken (and usually, I am...), I don't remeber Locke ever using violence toward another character...granted, he has used some scare tactics when dealing with other characters to make a point, but I do not recall him ever physically harming another character. When he hit Cahrlie, not to mention that one punch would have not only been enough, but also would have gotten the point across, I found it to be really out of character for him....and really scary...
Jon: You have very convincing and strong arguments to support Eko being a priest, and I agree for the most part, but I also think the qualities you have listed there are ones any spiritual and compassionate person could possess to live a life of peace and purity, priest or not. Maybe this is the point of Eko's character, to make us all ponder that possibility. I think what we all need is the missing chunk of time between when Eko was approached by the police on the runway at the airport and how exactly he wound up in Australia boarding flight 815...That will provide the answers as to whether or not he actually trained (formally or informally) to become a man of the cloth.
→ 96. Posted by: Vikki at January 28, 2006 10:19 AMthats what i mean, don't you have to take some classes and be ordained or something. my friend who is a cathloic priest had to do that, i'm not sure how other sections of christianity work. anyone else know? only that gap will tell us i suppose....
→ 97. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at January 28, 2006 11:43 AMright, Laura....to become a Catholic priest requires pretty intense schooling; akin to a bachelors degree, and possibly a masters.
→ 98. Posted by: silkyway at January 28, 2006 12:18 PMi just hate how everyone makes charlie an outcast,he is my favorite character! Everyone automatically assumes that charlie is just using again and that is why he is having all of these crazy dreams. but what i think is that charlie is having these visions for a reason. I think that the others are going to take little aaron, and everyone will blame charlie again like they always do. I think the Others just want the castaways to fight each other and get their mind off of fighting them. im not sure but i think the Ohters have something to do with charlies wierd dreams. somthing wierd is going to happen to aaron in the next episode or two i just know it.
well if something like that does happen remember who said it first
*Sammy*
We can't say yet whether or not Eko is a real priest. He is one on paper because his brother signed those papers but his brother also said that he would never be a real priest. But does he do the schooling (seminary) between then and now? He does know the Bible stories, but he got the baptism of Jesus wrong because he said that the white dove was a sign that this man (Jesus) had his sins forgiven and was changed. But Jesus is God incarnate (in the flesh) and never had any sins. He was baptized as an example for all true believers to follow. The dove was the Holy Spirit descending on him, not to mention the voice from heaven saying "This is my Son, whom I love and with whom I am well pleased."
Speaking of the dove, in the picture at Charlie's home of the baptism of Christ, the white dove is in the center top, and on the left side is a blackbird in flight (more black/white symbolism) and its reflected in Charlie's dream as there is a black shadow or something near the dove when it flies along the tree line. Also in that dream scene, Claire says "You're the only one who can save him (Aaron), Charlie"; so I think there's more to come on that.
Also, someone earlier said that he thought Oceanic Flight 815 was a prop plane. No. Remember in the crash scene the big turbo engine still whirling on the beach and one guy staggers by too close in front of it and is sucked in and blown up?
→ 100. Posted by: Ardie at January 28, 2006 2:49 PMHi! No one has mentioned the possible (if any) correlations or hidden meanings behind the title of this weeks ep, "Fire & Water". It refers, of course, to Christian baptism, there being two different kinds of baptism, one with water, the other with "fire", or the Holy Spirit. If you read this info on the site below, you will see that John the Baptist was referring to another coming who will baptise with fire, meaning Jesus Christ. Could it possibly mean that Locke's spiritual leadership will be given over to Eko now?
http://www.layhands.com/WhatIsTheBaptismOfFire.htm
Wow, Christina, that is a really good point! I was born and raised and baptized in the church, but the significance of the fire baptism never even occured to me! I thought perhaps the Fire + Water was astrological in nature, i.e. a fire sign vs. a water sign. (Anyone know when anyone's birthday is on the island?) But I think you're right on track with the water baptism and fire baptism. Good call!
→ 102. Posted by: Trinity at January 28, 2006 8:59 PMThanks, Trinity...I always try to find the correlation between the title and the theme of the show, and was wondering why no one discussed it.
Alot of people made really good, thought-provoking points, though, and Mac, I would like to thank you again for this blog, I really enjoy it, so much so that I have even stopped reading other forums. Keep it up!!
Has anyone considered that the stash of Heroin put into the newly keyed armory could be used like a weapon when the time comes to battle with the others? He's keeping it safe for a reason.
→ 104. Posted by: mommyloveslost at January 28, 2006 11:24 PMAny of you guys recall Libby saying she worked at a pshyche ward? Well, when Hurley was talking to her in the laundry room, he asked, "Have I Seen you somewhere before?". Did Hurley not go to a pscyhe ward at one point? So, maybe Libby worked a the same psyche ward as Hurley. any thoughts on this?
→ 105. Posted by: murphdogg at January 29, 2006 1:06 AMOH MY LORD GOD! guys this is REALLY wierd i mean liek creepy. i just finished watching the 23rd psalm. i paused it at the part when Eko is staring at the black smoke. And if im mistaken, im PRETTY DAMN sure i saw WALT in the black smoke. yes WALT. i was staring at the screen mouth open and everything. u have to look REALLY close though. really friggin' creepy.
→ 106. Posted by: murphdogg at January 29, 2006 1:21 AMdidnt make it through all the posts, but I was thinking after the Charlie episode .... and forgive me ..i'm sure I have forgotten something from the Claire backstory, but could Charlie's brother be the baby's father?
Somebody remember who Claire's boyfriend was?
→ 107. Posted by: Debi at January 29, 2006 10:27 AMIt's not him. It's the gay artist brother in the movie Wedding Crashers
→ 108. Posted by: gotspeed13 at January 29, 2006 10:45 AMisn't it peculiar that they're showing an episode from season 1 next week, namely Hurley's episode? I wonder if we'll briefly see Libby in the background of Hurley's backstory like we have with so many of the other castaways.
→ 109. Posted by: jerson at January 29, 2006 12:00 PMI was just thinking about the same point...I wonder just how many of the taillies were in back stories from last season and we didn't even notice! I mean if Jack can go running by Shannon and her step mother in Shannon's back story when her father died for a split second, yet that split second would wind up telling us so much, then who knows who else was in back stories unbeknownst to us. I betcha Libby is in the "Numbers" episode somewhere....
→ 110. Posted by: Vikki at January 29, 2006 2:18 PMWe know Ana Lucia flirted with Jack at the airport, but was Libby ever seen in any backstory or plane scenes in season one? I don't remember. I don't think the writers were thinking far enough in advance to have put Libby in the background of Hurley's backstory. But if they did, then it'll most likely be when he's in the psyche ward talking to that guy about the numbers or when he's running to catch the plane in the airport. Libby didn't specify where Hurley stepped on her foot, so maybe it was in the airport somewhere and not in the aisle on the plane. We'll see I guess. Maybe someone who has it on tape could check it out before then?
→ 111. Posted by: JoePike at January 29, 2006 3:33 PMSomeone made a good point about Hurley stepping on Libby's foot...it couldn't have been on the plane if she was in the tail section, and he was
Did anyone else this episode just a little hard to watch? Poor old Charlie.....
Can't help thinking that Locke has joined the dark side. Why the hell did he stash the heroin in with the guns unless its to hold it over Charlie at some point?
Bit confused about Eko/Adebisi (just can't forget Oz no matter how hard I try) marking crosses on the trees - 'These are the ones I like.' Ok, Mr Eko if you say so, but I can't imagine that Eko does things like that without reason.
Charlie's total alienation from the other survivors and Locke's taking of the statues leave him with absolutely nothing so I think we aren't going to see the last of Stoopid Charlie. Off to join the Others? Doubt it , but whatever, I think more misery is in the post for our favourite hobbit (the singing in that episode made me cringe almost as much as in LoTR) unless he stages some last ditch baby/Walt rescue.
Mac, don't think you mentioned the whispering when Charlie had his first vision/hallucination. Could be that its just an harbinger of doom in his doomladen mindwanderings, but along with visitations of wet and timereversed Walts and horsies it must be more likely that Mr Hanso and his dodgy science projects are involved somewhere.
And one more point... I wouldn't trust Libby as far as I could throw her, she's up to something - Hurley did recognise her and then she throws in the 'Oh yeah you stood on my foot, remember' line. Mental hospital worker/patient or compulsive liar?
→ 1. Posted by: Alex at January 26, 2006 11:18 AMBy the way I am forced to watch Lost on download (shush) cos I'm in Scotland, and we're still on the first series. Was there a preview of the next episode and if so what happened?