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Key Points from "The Long Con"

Season 2, Episode 13
Episode Air Date: 02/08/06

Point 1
Sawyer Before I get into this week's recap, I want everyone who's reading this to pause a moment and let this episode -- and this show -- sink in. It's rare to see something -- anything -- firing on all cylinders, yet that's what we're witnessing. "Lost" is hitting its stride. It's getting complex, it's getting intriguing and, best of all, it's getting unpredictable. We're watching a show come into its own, and that's a very special thing.

So anyway, I thought this episode sucked.

Heh heh. Just kidding. We had ourselves a fine feast this week; a Sawyer-centric slice of goodness that sets the stage for monumental things to come. So let's get to it.

Season Two has been relatively inactive for Sawyer, which makes sense since he was banging on Death's Door for a while. But things are different now. Sawyer's juices are running wild (must be the antibiotics) and he's aiming to rustle a few feathers.

That urge to rustle turns into a full-blown desire early in this episode. In the opening moments, we see Sawyer emerge from the surf in his boxers (this is a Sweeps episode, after all). He spots Charlie on the beach. You'll recall that our dejected rocker had himself a tough time a few weeks ago -- stealing a baby and trying to "baptize" it tends to push folks to the margins of Island Society. Sawyer -- a true proponent of tough love -- picks at Charlie's fresh emotional scab. First, he takes aim at Charlie's lady-love, Claire: "Just like a woman," Sawyer smirks. "She keeps the house, you get the cheap-ass apartment." Next up is Charlie's ruined relationship with his drug detox guru, Locke: "You even made Locke take a swing atcha!" Sawyer exclaims. "Hell, that's like getting Ghandi to beat his kids."

But Charlie has a nice little retort to Sawyer's abuse.

"Shouldn't you be more worried about Jack ransacking your tent right now?"

Sawyer's eyes dart down the beach. And that's when he sees Jack engaged in the exact activity Charlie described -- he's tossing clothes and little bottles of liquor and dog-eared copies of "Watership Down" around Sawyer's tent. Clearly, Jack is looking for something.

Sawyer darts toward the tent and barks at Jack (which seems appropriate since Jack is showing little regard for Sawyer's personal belongings). Just then, Jack finds what he was looking for: A bottle of painkillers. He snares the bottle and takes a step toward the tent's exit -- but Sawyer is blocking his path. Jack, in full-on righteous doctor mode, accuses Sawyer of stealing the pills. Sawyer fires back and accuses Jack of stealing the pills from him. Oddly enough, Sawyer has a point. The pills were originally part of Sawyer's Secret Stash (he spent much of Season One hunting, gathering and hoarding a plethora of pills, papers and paraphernalia). At this point, Jack's righteousness reaches an unprecedented height: he tells Sawyer the pills "belong to all of us." With that, Jack takes a step outside the tent. Sawyer angrily shoves his hand against Jack's chest.

"Seriously, Doc, you don't want to do this," Sawyer growls. "Just give me the pills, we'll forget it ever happened."

"Are you threatening me?" Jack asks with a smirk.

"Last chance, Doc," Sawyer snarls.

Jack shakes the bottle, then walks off.

Now, you may be thinking to yourself: Why would anyone go through the time and trouble of transcribing a seemingly insignificant display of Alpha Male machismo?

Excellent question. We'll come back to it in a little while.

Right now we need to take a diversion into Backstory Land. This episode provided us with another glimpse into Sawyer's seedy history. In previous Sawyer-centric episodes like "Outlaws" and "Confidence Man" we discovered the genesis of Sawyer's career and his name (remember, his real name is James Ford; "Sawyer" is an alias) and we learned that Sawyer's speciality was theft through seduction. We also learned that Sawyer is racked by guilt and has a weird need to be hated. This week, we drop in on Sawyer mid-con (and mid-guilt). Got all that?

So, without further exposition or description, here are the Key Points from this episode's backstory segments:

  • It's unclear when this backstory occurs, but it appears to be relatively recent (Sawyer is sporting the same haircut -- I really don't know why I equate "haircut" with "recent," so take this conclusion with a grain of salt).

    Anywho, the backstory focuses on the relationship between Sawyer and a woman named Cassie (another hair-related sidenote: Cassie has a femullet. I found this infinitely amusing).

    The pair met in an unusual way: Sawyer tried to con Cassie, but Cassie turned the tables by calling Sawyer's bluff. Cassie -- who deserves credit for catching on so quickly -- caught wind of Sawyer's game when Sawyer tried the old "spill a briefcase full of money" trick. It's a time-honored con: Woo a rich lady with intense lovin', then mistakenly "reveal" your dire financial status so she can give you copious amounts of her hard-earned cash. When the check clears, leave the longing lady penniless and heartbroken.

    But Cassie caught on and, more importantly, she caught the Con Bug. She asks Sawyer to teach her the ways of a Jedi Con-Man and Sawyer, ever the sucker for criminal women (see "Austen, Kate"), takes her under his wing.

  • And so Sawyer and Cassie become a modern-dan Bonnie and Clyde (minus the bullet-ridden finale). They travel across the country working small-time scams and accumulating fair, but not substantial, piles of cash.

  • At the six-month mark, Cassie yearns for something bigger: She wants Sawyer to show her how to pull off a "long con." For those of you who don't spend your weekends grifting easy marks, a "long con" is the big kahuna of cons. It's equal parts criminal thievery and psychological deception. Basically, the idea is to get the con-ee to convince the con-er to do something the con-er was going to do anyway. In this way, the con-ee thinks he/she is the Idea Person and, therefore, is less apt to pay attention when the con-er pulls a double-cross and robs the con-ee blind. So anyway, Cassie wants to pull a long con and Sawyer tells her that, as much as he would love to soak in the glory of an intricate scheme, it's impossible to execute a long con without significant funds.

    Interestingly, this is when Cassie makes a confession. She had previously told Sawyer that she didn't have much money (she divorced a rich guy and claimed not to have gotten anything in the split), but now that the sweet aroma of a long con is wafting in her nostrils, she reveals that she did, in fact, secure a nice chunk of change in the divorce: $600,000. Well isn't that interesting ... it's almost as though Cassie came up with the idea for the long con, and then Sawyer tried to convince her otherwise, and then she swept in at the last moment and made the long con happen. I wonder if this exchange will prove relevant later on. Hmm... I wonder.

  • Well how about that! That exchange does become relevant! It turns out that Sawyer knew about the $600,000 all along. You see, the long con that Cassie was so keen to attempt had actually be in-progress for the last six months. Cassie is, was, and always had been, the long-con mark.

  • Toward the end of the episode, Sawyer meets up with his con partner, Gordie (we saw him back in "Confidence Man"), and the two discuss their in-progress long con. As noted, Sawyer and Gordie have known about the $600,000 since Day 1. But now there's a problem: Sawyer is smitten. He's fallen for Cassie and he doesn't have the stomach -- or the heart -- to swipe her cash. He tries to bag out of the scheme, but Gordie makes a convincing counter-argument: If Sawyer doesn't finish the con, Gordie is gonna pop him and Cassie full of bullets.

  • So Sawyer rushes off to Cassie's house to spill the beans and plead his case and, most importantly, try to save Cassie's life. He busts in to find Cassie standing over a briefcase filled with cash. She's prepping for their long con. What she doesn't realize is that the long con is about to conclude. Sawyer pulls back a curtain and points toward a dark sedan parked across from her house. He tells Cassie that his partner, Gordie, is in that car and if Sawyer doesn't emerge from the house carrying the briefcase, Gordie is going to use their heads for target practice. Cassie, as you can imagine, is a little confused. Sawyer clears things up with one pointed sentence: "Cass," he says with guilt in his soul, "you were the long con." Cassie takes a few swipes at Sawyer, but he wisely notes that their imminent deaths can be diverted if she stops hitting him and instead moves her butt out of the house. Sawyer hurriedly transfers the cash from the briefcase to a duffle bag, then shoves the bag into Cassie's arms and moves her through the home's back door. Outside, Sawyer looks deeply into Cassie's eyes (or maybe he was looking at that glorious femullet; hard to say). This is their Big Moment -- it's all crashing down and their trust has been shaken, but Sawyer has one last thing to say:

    "I love you."

    Now hold on just a second ...

    Back in "Outlaws," Sawyer and Kate swapped stories and secrets during a booze-fueled game of "I Never." At the time, Sawyer claimed to have never been in love. Sooo, this means he either lied to Kate or he lied to Cassie.

  • My money is on Cassie, and I'll tell you why. During the very last backstory segment, after Cassie has scampered into the hills with her duffle bag full of money, Sawyer walks back into Cassie's now-empty house and grabs the briefcase. He goes out the front door and then slides into the passenger seat of the dark sedan. Slowly, he turns his head toward the driver. The camera pans over ... and there's no one there. In a hushed, methodical tone, Sawyer counts: "One Mississippi ... two Mississippi ... three Mississippi ..."

    After five Mississippi's, Sawyer goes back into the house and walks toward the kitchen table. He slides a chair out and there, nestled on the seat, is a duffle bag filled with cash. The con is still on and Sawyer is about to follow through. He grabs the bag and moves toward the exit, but before he leaves he pauses by a collection of framed photographs in the kitchen. He picks a photo up and stares. The camera shifts and we see a photo of Sawyer and Cassie during happier times. Sawyer huffs, then places the photo face-down on a table. He walks into the sunset with his big bag 'o cash and a fresh supply of guilt and self-loathing.

    Related Conundrum: I rewatched this duffle-bag/double-cross segment three times and I now feel completely stupid -- I have no idea how Sawyer switched the bags (or even if he switched him). If you understand the nuances of Sawyer's money-switching trick, please post it in the comments area at the end of the review. I'll still feel stupid, but at least I'll know how he did it.

So that's that with the backstory stuff. Now we need to loop back around to current events -- and boy do we have some juicy developments on the island front.

We'll begin the island recap with ...

Point 2
Sun

Sawyer

Kate

Jack

Locke

Ana-Lucia

... a kidnapping attempt! At the very beginning of the episode, Sun is tending to her garden. She's as happy as she can be -- turning over roots and herbs and high-grade marijuana, content to be alive and reconciled with her husband.

But her happiness comes crashing to the earth when she hears a rustling in the woods. She peers over, frightened by the horror lurking nearby. The rustling gets louder. The horror comes closer ... feet trample the ground ... the brush parts as a panting creature pounces into view!

And that's when Vincent bounds into Sun's garden. Sun heaves a sigh of relieve and pats Vincent on the head. He turns and bounds off (for a second there, I thought Vincent had designs on dropping a fertilizer bomb on Sun's tomatoes, but it doesn't come to pass). Sun shrugs off the vestiges of fright and returns to her gardening.

At this exact moment, the sky grows dark and a torrential downpour pounds from the heavens. Uh oh.

Suddenly, a dark hood snaps over Sun's head! An unseen attacker grabs Sun's hands and binds them, then violently drags her into the brush.

Down on the beach, Sawyer and Kate hear Sun's screams. They race into the foliage in pursuit. In a nearby clearing, they spot Sun's lifeless form. Sawyer rolls her over and Kate checks her breathing; blood is running from a nasty cut on Sun's forehead. Sun is still breathing, but that head wound doesn't look encouraging. Sawyer tells Kate to find Jack, so Kate (who apparently doesn't mind taking orders from Sawyer), runs off. Sawyer lifts Sun and rushes back to the tents on the beach.

Jack and Kate appear moments later. They push through the assembled crowd (word gets around fast on this island) and Jack tends to Sun. Jack asks Kate and Sawyer what happened. "I heard her scream," Sawyer rambles. "I found her in the jungle about a half click from here ..."

Kate cuts Sawyer off: "She was out cold and her hands were tied."

Jack looks up. "What do you mean her hands were tied?"

And then, from the back of the crowd, Ana-Lucia sneers with glee: "They're back."

I know some of you are dropping in on Key Points for the first time, so I'd like to take a moment to provide a little context to this "they're back" comment. The "they" Ana is referring to is The Others and the "back" is in reference to the terror Ana and her Tailie compatriots endured during their first 48 days on the island.

More recently, Jack, Locke, and Sawyer had an Other run-in of their own. During that exchange, the Other leader (a bearded guy who likes to quote Dharma poo-ba Alvar Hanso) warned Jack and his cohorts: "Right here [points down] there's a line. You cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to ... something else." He emphasized his line-crossing point by bringing out Kate -- whom The Others had kidnapped, hooded and bound -- and shoving a gun in Kate's neck.

All of this tedious context leads to one Key Point: The survivors haven't messed with the Others. If we follow the Bearded Other's logic (not sure why we would do that, but let's continue nonetheless), the castaways would have to invite an attack by "crossing the line." That hasn't happened -- so why did The Others try to kidnap Sun?

Hmm....

The plot thickens later in the episode when Kate and Sawyer return to the scene of the crime. Sawyer is suspicious from the get-go: He doesn't understand how Sun -- little petite Sun -- could have escaped. Sawyer's suspicions rise when he spots a dark cloth hood caught on nearby branches. It's the same hood that was used on Sun.

"It's a hood," Kate says (revealing the obvious), "just like the one they put over my head."

Sawyer analyzes the garment.

"No it's not," he says. "This one's black ... different weave. [DRAMATIC CON-MAN PAUSE]. It's all in the details ... and they're wrong."

Kate twitches her lip. "Well, if it wasn't them, then who?"

Sawyer looks at Kate knowingly.

"What are you saying?" she asks. "One of us did it? Who the hell would want to go after Sun?"

Sawyer looks at the hood.

"Not much upside in scaring the crap out of 46 people," he says ...

... WAIT FOR IT ...

"... Unless you're trying to con 'em into joining an army."

EXCUSE ME?!

With this single conclusion, Sawyer single-handedly raises the stakes for Season Two. Previous to this moment, the castaways were relatively unified in their struggle to survive. But Sawyer just sprinkled derision and complication into the ranks, and now the castaways need to worry about two forms of adversaries: external and internal.

Kate, clearly disturbed by Sawyer's conclusion, opts to take matters into her own hands. Back at the beach camp, she sidles up to Jack and asks him, pointedly, how well he knows Ana-Lucia. Jack catches on quickly: Kate thinks Ana kidnapped and hog-tied Sun in an effort to boost enlistment in the fledgling -- and heretofore, unsuccessful -- Island Army. Jack doesn't respond to Kate's question; he walks off, annoyed at the suggestion.

But he's not annoyed enough to reject that suggestion! Kate has clearly touched a nerve -- and it happens to be a nerve that was first exposed earlier in the episode. During a brief exchange in the opening moments, Ana tells Jack that the group isn't "scared enough ... Everyone around here actually thinks they're safe." It seemed innocuous at the time, but now that Sun appears to have been nabbed by an Oceanic survivor, and, coupled with Ana's unfortunate history of killing female castaways, it's understandable why Jack would have doubts about Ana's actions. He acts on those doubts later in the episode: he asks Ana, straight out, where she was during Sun's abduction. Ana responds with a sneer and a question of her own: "You think I had something to do with Sun getting grabbed? Now where would you get an idea like that?"

The question goes unanswered. At that very moment (a very convenient moment), Claire rushes up to Jack and announces that Sun is awake. This is Claire's sole moment in the episode. She has one line. One short, easy line. And with that one line, Emilie de Ravin earned more money than I'll make in 3 years. Now that's a job.

So Jack zips back to the beach camp and quizzes Sun about her abduction. She reveals very little -- Vincent appeared, the rain fell, someone shoved a hood over her head, then she fought and kicked and worked her way free. She ran as fast as she could, then fell and hit her head.

Jin, who has been tending to Sun throughout this ordeal, rises to his feet, looks at Jack and utters one very clear, very direct, very English word: "Gun."

Nearby, Sawyer watches this exchange with mild interest. Kate sits down beside him and Sawyer, feeding off the bad vibes swirling about, offers a prediction: a group of castaways is going to raid Locke's gun closet and set off into Other territory for revenge. Kate looks at the group, her gaze locks onto Ana. Ana catches her glance, holds it, then looks down. And in that moment, Kate realizes what's going on.

"The guns," Kate says. "This is all her play to get her hands on the guns."

Oh Katie, you're such a smart freckled fugitive!

Kate's incredible conclusion spurs her to action. She asks/orders Sawyer to go warn Locke that a group of castaways has designs on his gun collection. Sawyer is reticent to get involved, but Kate gives him that "If you do this I'll eventually become embroiled in a messy relationship with you" look and Sawyer acquiesces.

So Sawyer heads off to the Hatch to warn Locke about the new gun club.

At this point, we need to backtrack a bit because this "warning Locke" business doesn't make sense without context.

At the beginning of this episode, Jack and Locke have one of their "man of science/man of faith moments" in the Hatch armory. The two have opted to consolidate all of the available weapons in one location (this includes the metal briefcase that houses the six pistols used in the second half of Season One). While inside the armory, Jack asks Locke for the combination to the armory's door. Locke is apprehensive to reveal the combination (he reset it recently), but you can clearly see the wheels turning in his Obi-Wan brain.

"I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're asking me because you're worried that I might fall off a cliff or something," Locke says, a gleam in his eye. "That it would be irresponsible for just one of us to have access to this room rather than this being an issue of trust."

Jack doesn't flinch. "Well, there are a lot of cliffs on this island, John."

"All right," Locke says, "but I think we should agree, Jack, that if either of us needs to open this door, we'll consult each other first."

"Absolutely," Jack says, lying through his doctor teeth.

And for those of you who appreciate "Lost" minutia, the combination is: Right 7, Left 33, Right 18. Now, don't ask me how I know this, but if you add 7 + 33 + 18, then multiply the sum by 4,815,162,342 and then divide that answer by 108, you'll have Hurley's phone number.

So, Jack and Locke have agreed to consult each other before either accesses the armory -- remember, they agreed on this earlier in the day. But now, later that afternoon, with Jin barking "Gun" and Sun's head dripping with blood, Jack has managed to completely forget about the agreement (or -- GASP -- he intends to violate the agreement). Sawyer and Kate can see that Jack is going to get into that armory regardless of Locke's wishes. And this is why Kate asks Sawyer to warn Locke about the gun raid.

Now that we've got that out of the way ...

Sawyer visits the Hatch and finds Locke engaged in a somewhat bizarre activity: He's leafing through the Hatch's book collection and reorganizing the collection alphabetically (uh, cabin fever?). Sawyer tells Locke about all this gun business, and Locke gets a Very Concerned Look. He asks for Sawyer's help in moving the guns, but there's one little hitch to this request: Locke doesn't want Sawyer to know where he's going to put the guns. To get around this, Locke asks Sawyer to monitor the Hatch -- and press the button -- while he transports the guns to a Super Secret Gun Spot.

The plan works. Jack and Jin arrive sometime later and crack open the armory, but when they get inside they discover that the cupboards are bare (Locke even took the Virgin Mary heroin statues he stashed in the armory at the end of "Fire + Water"). At this point, Jack and Sawyer have another Macho Showdown, but all it amounts to is a bunch of chest thumping and icy glares. The machismo passes ... for now.

Later that night, Jack confronts Locke on the beach. Jack demands that Locke give him two guns. Locke refuses, noting that he made a mistake teaching Michael how to shoot and now Michael has disappeared (he's got a point). Jack and Locke start to shout:

"I want the guns!"

"Jack, you can't have the guns! I hid them and they're mine and I used to be a paraplegic!"

"Dammit, John, give me a gun! I want Kate to love me! I want my DADDY to love me!"

"You can take your friggin guns and your Kate Love and your Daddy Issues and you can cram them right up your ..."

Suddenly, automatic weapon fire rips through the sky!

THIK ... THIK .. THIK ... THIK!

The castaways cower and look toward the treeline.

A tall man with long hair and a bad attitude strides into camp holding a rifle ... it's SAWYER.

The con man has just conned the entire group, and now he's striding into town just as pleased as he can be.

Jack and Locke look on in surprise as Sawyer takes a spot in front of the group. Sayid approaches, but he, too, is stunned at what he's seeing. The only person who doesn't appear shocked is Charlie, but that's probably due to his recent ostracism ... right?

But enough with my irrelevant conjecture -- let's get back to Sawyer's Big Moment:

"So how 'bout you listen up, 'cause I'm only gonna say this once," Sawyer says to the wide-eyed castaways. "You took my stuff. While I was off tryin' to get us help, get us rescued, you found my stash, and you took it. Divvied it up. My shaving cream ... my batteries ... even my beer. And then something else happened. You decided these two boys [Jack and Locke] here were going to tell you what to do, and when to do it. Well I'm done taking orders. And I don't want my stuff back. The shaving cream don't matter. The batteries don't matter. Only thing that matters now ... are guns ... and if you want one, you have to come to me to get it! ... There's a new sheriff in town boys! Ya'll best get used to it."

Oh ... My.

So let's recap what just happened:

  • Sun's abduction presented Sawyer with an unusual opportunity to exploit the trust issues in the group. He took full advantage of this opportunity by convincing Kate that the Others were not behind the kidnapping. All that "hood/weave/details" stuff convinced Kate it was an inside job.

  • Kate, already jealous and wary of Ana-Lucia, immediately pointed the finger at her nemesis. This led her to ask Sawyer to warn Locke -- and this was something Sawyer had anticipated. He knew Kate would think Ana had designs on raiding the armory, and he knew she'd ask Sawyer to warn Locke (I honestly have no idea how he would know this).

  • So Sawyer worked with Locke and somehow -- in some unseen way -- he managed to follow Locke, find the gun stash, then move the guns to a new location only known by Sawyer. Guns = Power, and so Sawyer is the new Big Man in Charge.

It's all very cunning, but there are still two questions that need to be answered:

  1. Was Sawyer involved in Sun's abduction?

  2. How did Sawyer manage to track Locke through the jungle, then still make it back to the Hatch in time to press the button and exchange macho barbs with Jack?
And that leads us to ...
Point 3
Sawyer

Charlie
... the very last scene.

We watch as Sawyer -- fresh from his victory -- walks through a dark patch of jungle. He pauses as someone approaches. From the darkness emerges a figure ... a short, Hobbit-like fella with a predisposition toward hooded sweatshirts and heroin.

It's Charlie!

Suddenly, answers to those two remaining questions snap into place:

  1. Q: Was Sawyer involved in Sun's abduction? A: Yes, but CHARLIE was the one who performed the kidnapping. (WHAT?!)

  2. Q: How did Sawyer manage to track Locke through the jungle, then still make it back to the Hatch in time to press the button and exchange macho barbs with Jack? A: He didn't. Charlie followed Locke, then came back and told Sawyer where to find the guns.
But this raises a separate question: Why would Charlie do this?

The answer lies in the recent past. In the last episode ("Fire + Water"), Charlie was beaten, humiliated and shamed, and Locke was behind much of this emotional turmoil.

"I wanted him [Locke] to look like a fool," Charlie tells Sawyer. "To feel like a fool."

Mission accomplished, Chuckie!

Point 4
Hurley

Sayid
Two separate Hurley-Sayid scenes book-end this episode. In the early moments, Hurley shows Sayid the short-wave radio the Tailies procured from the other Dharma hatch (it's the same radio Bernard used to answer Boone's S.O.S. call in "Deus Ex Machina"). Hurley's intention is to give the radio to Sayid in the hope he can rewire the device to receive and send stronger signals. The big man has a secondary intention as well: To get Sayid out of his post-Shannon funk.

At first, it doesn't appear to work. Sayid snaps at Hurley and tells him the radio isn't worth wiring. Hurley tromps off, but he slyly leaves the radio behind.

Toward the end of the episode, Hurley sits by a fire reading a book manuscript he found in one of the suitcases (the manuscript is titled "Bad Twin," and that just happens to be the title of a "Lost" book currently on sale at Amazon for $14.93 -- now that's marketing!). Sayid walks toward Hurley, clutching the radio and a makeshift antenna. More importantly, he's got that "I love building dumb electronic devices" gleam in his eye again.

Sayid plants himself next to Hurley and twiddles the radio's dials. At first, all they hear is static and Rousseau's looping distress message ("blah blah blah ... they're all dead ... wah wah ... I'm the only one left ... woe is me ..."). But then, from the static emerges a voice. Sayid twiddles with the knobs and the signal grows stronger. He locks onto the frequency and, clear as day, the sounds of the Glenn Miller Orchestra playing "Moonlight Serenade" begin to flow from the radio. Hurley is shocked. The signal is so clear, he assumes it must be close.

Sayid throws cold water on Hurley's conclusion. "Radio waves at this frequency bounce off the ionosphere," Sayid says. "They can travel thousands of miles. It could be coming from anywhere."

[LONG PAUSE INSERTED BY THE WRITERS SO THEY CAN PREPARE ALL THE DIE-HARD FANS FOR THE CHEEKY COMMENT TO COME ...]

"Or any time," Hurley says.

[ANOTHER LONG PAUSE, THIS ONE MEANT TO GET ALL THOSE RIFT-IN-TIME THEORISTS REAL HOT AND BOTHERED]

"Just kidding dude," Hurley laughs.

Point 5
Island And finally, a few Island Observations:
  • Who, the hell, is taking care of Vincent? Shannon is dead. Walt is soaking wet and mumbling backwards. Michael is drinking beer and eating burgers at an Other barbeque. As far as I can tell, Vincent is running free. Besides Locke, he may be the happiest Oceanic survivor.

  • Hurley informs us that Bernard is a dentist.

  • Just so we're clear: Steve is alive. Scott is dead.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"One of Them" -- Rousseau reappears ... and she's got a big 'ol Other surprise for Sayid. Airs: Wednesday, Feb. 15, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on February 9, 2006 11:02 AM |




I didn't think Hurley's comment was to get the time-travel theorists hot and bothered. I just thought it was a joking nod to them. And it was great!

#1. Posted by: Steve at February 9, 2006 11:05 AM

Did you all see that it was KATE'S MOM that served Sawyer and Gordy in the restaurant?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

#2. Posted by: vikki at February 9, 2006 11:19 AM

Yet another Lost backstory connection.

#3. Posted by: Steve at February 9, 2006 11:38 AM

"And for those of you who appreciate "Lost" minutia, the combination is: Right 7, Left 33, Right 18. Now, don't ask me how I know this, but if you add 7 + 33 + 18, then multiply the sum by 4,815,162,342 and then divide that answer by 108, you'll have Hurley's phone number."

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm there, Mac, directed at all of us number enthusiasts????

#4. Posted by: vikki at February 9, 2006 11:39 AM

"Guns = power"

Just like in Lord of the Flies when Jack divides the island's boys into two clear groups...and lures them to his "tribe" because he has the fruit and he has the roasted meat...

#5. Posted by: vikki at February 9, 2006 11:40 AM

I loved Jack's comment about how there are lots of cliffs on the island. It was a nice little FU to Locke about Boone.

#6. Posted by: Steve at February 9, 2006 11:46 AM

Mac....great review as always. Before I start my comment I want to give you props. Down here in Ft. Lauderdale, FL a local news station did a story about all the website dedicated to the show Lost. You website made the story and there's a link from the new stations website to yours. The news station is www.local10.com.

The only thing you missed is while Sawyer was at the diner with his con partner, their waitress was Kate's mother. Also, Cindee is the same girl in the photo Desmond took from the hatch when he took off.

Thought those were points of interest.

L8r,
Sam

#7. Posted by: Sam at February 9, 2006 11:48 AM

So, I'm pretty sure the waitress in the restaurant was Debbie Harry. Did she really play Kate's mom too? I can't recall! IMDB is of no help either. :(

#8. Posted by: shannon at February 9, 2006 11:49 AM

Since the inception of LOST, I have always been one of those people who wanted to rush through the backstory scenes and get to the island action, which I thought was the strength of the show. But we are now being rewarded in a BIG way for sitting through all of that character development. It's fascinating to sort through all of the interpersonal dynamics of the survivors now that they are beginning to be pitted against each other, trying to figure out who is trustworthy, who may betray who, etc.

Also, I agree with Mac, this show is REALLY gaining in strength, in large part due to an ability to move forward now that we have such a strong understanding of each character's past. Excellent episode, and I can't wait till next week!

#9. Posted by: KG at February 9, 2006 11:52 AM

Was I the only one who noticed that Locke wasn't really just organizing the books in the hatch? It was pretty obvious that he was going through each book looking for more film clips. He probably figured that if Echo found one in the bible (the sole book in the other hatch), why wouldn't there be more hidden in a more complete library?

#10. Posted by: Kalico at February 9, 2006 12:00 PM

I also wonder if there is any significance to the fact that the one title we saw was "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" by Ambrose Bierce.

#11. Posted by: Steve at February 9, 2006 12:08 PM

Sam~
I thought the photo that desmond took when he left the hatch was Helen, Locke's former girlfriend?

#12. Posted by: Lil at February 9, 2006 12:13 PM

The girl in the photo wasn't Cassie - go to www.lostdesmond.com and click on "Girl in Photo"

#13. Posted by: YaYo at February 9, 2006 12:19 PM

The name of the book Locke had in his hand first was _The Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge_ (which I thought was a short story)...anyway, if my memory serves me correctly, the tale is about a man on the run from the law throughout the course of the story, but at the end you learn that what you just read is really a description of the split second before a man is hanged for his crime....however, again if I remember correctly, the reader is left to decide which of the two stories is reality or if, perhaps, the story is really describing purgatory...

#14. Posted by: vikki at February 9, 2006 12:19 PM

Oh yeah...I noticed that Sawyer refered to Cassies as "Dimples" at the beginning of his back story...and he calls Kate "Freckles"...just an interesting little connection....

#15. Posted by: vikki at February 9, 2006 12:21 PM

So when Sawyer was out with his infection and mumbled "I love her" are we now to suppose that he was referring to Cassie instead of Kate?

#16. Posted by: Lordfoul7272 at February 9, 2006 12:36 PM

Great recap!

One more thing I noticed was that Kate (during the rain storm/magazine article on senstive men) said she likes chicken salad with no celery and thats exactly what Gordie (Sawyers partner in the backstory) orders from Kates mother/waitress in the restaurant. Probably nothing, but then again...everything means something on this show. Every detail of the script seems to tie back to something later on. Just an observation...

#17. Posted by: Lynda at February 9, 2006 12:45 PM

Here's what we took from "The Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge." WARNING: SPOILER for those who want to read the story first (which is found online with a quick Google search).

At the end of "Owl Bridge" we see the man running back to his wife, and just before he can embrace her...WHAM...he is dragged back to reality, which is him hanging from a bridge, experiencing his final "life flashing before the eyes" moment. To us, this epitomizes the classic "appearance vs. reality" teme that permiates literature.

Sawyer was about to "run home" to Cassie, to give up his life as a con man and 'embrace' a new beginning, when...WHAM...he was dragged back to reality. Like he said, "a tiger don't change its stripes."

This story does have a purgatory feel to it, and that's a theory the three of us have been pitching around since the show began. Like the producers say in their podcasts, when they zoom in on items like this book title (or the cover of an album, etc.), it's usually because the item has significance.

Purgatory? Maybe. We wouldn't bank on that secret being revealed anytime soon.

#18. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 9, 2006 12:52 PM

The girl in Desmond's photo is Cassidy. Take a look right here....

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x13/cassidy.jpg

#19. Posted by: Sam at February 9, 2006 12:54 PM

Um, no. It's not. The most obvious difference is in the eye brows and bridge of the nose. Those aren't the same person.

#20. Posted by: JRaw at February 9, 2006 12:56 PM

I am 95% sure that was Kate's mom. Otherwise why would they have lingered on her with the camera.

Also "Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge" is a very "Lost" like story. I thought that was a nice touch.

Sawyers speach at the end didn't ring true for me. I don't think he was really upset about his stuff being taken. After all were they supposed to think he was coming back from the raft trip? This is all about something else. He probably just wants to controll the way he gets back at "Zeke" "He's not done with him", Remember?

#21. Posted by: D SHAW at February 9, 2006 1:04 PM

Clever...Glen Miller was killed in a plane crash - and his body never recovered!

#22. Posted by: JT at February 9, 2006 1:15 PM

Thanks, JT...was wondering why that song and artist....knew it wasn't coincidence...didn't Rousseau once say that there was a radio tower on the island somewhere? Near the Black Rock or something???

#23. Posted by: vikki at February 9, 2006 1:33 PM

Sawyer probably stuffed fake money in the dufflebag just like he did with his usual con.

It would make sense if you think about it. Since she was in duress about getting out of the house and Sawyer's whole "i love you" thing.... she'd never think to even look at the money to see if it's real. Could make it pretty easy to stash the money elsewhere.

#24. Posted by: J at February 9, 2006 1:43 PM

Did anyone catch that Gary Troup, the author of The Bad Twin, spells purgatory?

#25. Posted by: ML at February 9, 2006 1:53 PM

Glen Miller? Who is that? I must have missed something!

#26. Posted by: Marr at February 9, 2006 1:54 PM

> Did anyone catch that Gary Troup,
> the author of The Bad Twin, spells purgatory?

Great catch ML. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the writing sessions of Lost. I'm sure they love planting small details like that just to get us going with theories.

> Glen Miller? Who is that? I must
> have missed something!

Marr, if you don't know who Glenn Miller is, then you need to put up one of his music CDs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Miller

#27. Posted by: Marty at February 9, 2006 2:19 PM

Glenn Miller was a famouse American jazz musician and band leader in the Swing era...original founder of the Glenn Miller Orchestra. After a successful career and many recordings he mysteriously disappeared during WWII. Now, when Sayid is adjusting the dials of his 'enhanced' radio, the first clear broadcast heard by he and Hurley is the sounds of the Glenn Miller Orchestra playing "Moonlight Serenade".

#28. Posted by: JT at February 9, 2006 2:21 PM

As always, great review, mac.

I think you're wrong with one thing. When Sawyer said "I love you" in his fever dreams after being shot he definitely meant Cassie. It all makes sense - I think he didn't lie to Kate when he said that he never loved somebody, either (this was a conscious statement). His love to Cassie is some kind of subconscious and it's part of the reason WHY he wants/needs to be hated by everybody - because he's loaded with guilt and, therefore, hates himself. I'm also pretty sure he knows (but also feels?!) that Kate loves him, but he HAS to manipulate and hurt her - these are clearly symptoms of a psychopath and the fact that he's suffering himself is part of his symtoms.

btw, what clues does the fact that Kate's mom was serving them in the restaurant give us about the time frame?

My speculations for this week:
- Vincent is already barking backwards.
- Now, Jack and Locke are more united than they were ever before. Who had thought of this before this episode...
- Zeke will have a hard time soon.
- Sun will soon learn about Darth Charlie.
- Then, Jin will probably get in trouble with Darth Charlie.
- Darth Charlie will spoil the water with heroine to make them all look like fools - actually junkie fools.
- Dark lord Sawyer now has the power to save people from death (including himself). It probably has something to do with the pills - that's why he doesn't need a doctor anymore...

#29. Posted by: Margot at February 9, 2006 2:25 PM

OK am I the only one who is a little bummed that Sawyer is back to his mean old ways?

#30. Posted by: El at February 9, 2006 2:30 PM

He was some musician a couple of decades back, I think. He went to a private plane and took off with it, then disappeared. His body was never recovered.

#31. Posted by: Remus Lupin at February 9, 2006 2:30 PM

Glen Miller of the Glen Miller band - It's a big band type music from the 30's and 40's. Remember Zeke was carrying a Luger pistol and pointing it to Kate's head?. It too is from the same period (30's and 40's).
I wonder if they have a radio tower on the other side of the island.

#32. Posted by: Ken at February 9, 2006 2:35 PM

El:
"OK am I the only one who is a little bummed that Sawyer is back to his mean old ways?"

I think Sawyer was the dark lord all the time, but we just didn't see it. Maybe he even used some heroine on Charlie in order to turn him. Sorry, but the more I think about the Star Wars analogy, the more I like it :) Perhaps Sawyer needs the weapons for his secret clone army in order to fight Zeke...

I think that's why this episode is called "the long con". Sawyer was deliberately gaining trust and was planning this for a long time - it had little to do with the "pills event" at the tent.

#33. Posted by: Margot at February 9, 2006 2:47 PM

The first thing I thought of as to how Sawyer pulled off the money switch:
The money Cassie was looking at in the briefcase was the fake money (remember when he "accidentally" dropped all the money out of the briefcase at the beginning, and she saw it was fake?) and the real money was in the duffel bag under the table all along.

#34. Posted by: christina at February 9, 2006 2:57 PM

Did you catch that LOST spelled backwards is TSOL - the famous punk band of the 80's? TSOL has a song called, "We're all living in purgatory", and the lead singer of the band is JACK SAWYER? Crazy!!!

Actually, I just made all that up. But I like the site. Nice job.

#35. Posted by: Jamie at February 9, 2006 3:18 PM

Did anyone hear the DJ mention the call letters WUSO before "Moonlight Serenade" played?

#36. Posted by: mansarhs at February 9, 2006 4:13 PM

Isn't Sawyer turning into Dr. Phil? He 'counsels' Hurley and Charlie on women and lives by the 'the only who can you is you' philosophy. Next up a guest spot on Oprah.

#37. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 9, 2006 4:47 PM

Great review once again Mac. Although I thought you missed out on some important details like Kate and Sawyer's flirting scene before Sun's attempted kidnapping and in the end when Kate confronts Sawyer about the con he had just pulled off. I think those were important to analyze their relationship a little more. Anybody have any ideas?

This was sure a great episode. Sawyer is my favorite character and it was great to see him back in action. He definitely is a bad ass and really good at it too.

Are we sure that it was Kate's mum who served them the salad? And I don't remember Kate talking about chicken salad??? But if she really did then its gotta be Kate's mum since she said thats how they serve the chicken salad there(no celery etc). Wonder if that will ever come up again.

Who would have thought Charlie would have the guts to try and kidnap sun...wow, that was a bloody smasher!!!

Locke was definitely looking for something in those books. I agree with whoever said that he was searching for more film.

Are we getting another rerun next week? Mac's next episode comment doesn't sound like what they showed in the preview for next week after the show!

Hell of an episode!!!! I LOVE THIS SHOW!!

#38. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at February 9, 2006 5:06 PM

what a great episode, lost back on top form.

clearly theres gonna be major problems ahead with this infighting, but i think hurly's time travel comment is not one to be dismissed easily

#39. Posted by: adam at February 9, 2006 5:32 PM

Others may know this and talked about it earlier but i am new and would like to commen. i beleive that the island has three ditinct hatchs. #3 is the one found by our friends and was conducting expirements on magnetics of the island(which is also why i think locke can walk here and why his legs failed when him and boone found the plane). Hatch #2 was a biomedical research that went wrong and made those perople crazy and a different group of others. And Hatch #1 the others lead by Zeke where we are not sure what was going on there. If anybody has any ideas on this theory please comment back. Thank for this site and your analysis Mac

#40. Posted by: Don at February 9, 2006 5:47 PM

I am new to here but enjoy the discussion going on. I have some questions to ponder about. This should keep the conversation fun.

If Glen Miller is an American who makes American music, does this mean that they are near America? If they were at an island near Australia, it just does not make sense to hear tunes dating back to the 30s-40s that is American.

Now, so far, I can remember three different signs the writers are pointing back to the 30s. First was the knife that Ana Lucia pointed out, was only used in WWII era. Second, was the style of gun that the Bearded Other used. Third, is now the music tune picked up by the radio transmitter.

Also, why is the film featuring Marvin Candle, in black in white. Does this imply that it is extremely vintage? Maybe dating back towards that time era?

Where was Libby in this episode? Did they show her at all?

Sawyer says, "A Tiger doesnt change his stripes." This is a better way to explain the objective of being on this island, which is to "change ones own stripes." They all have flaws that need some changing.

Didnt Locke look extraordinary paranoid when learning news that Jack and Jin was storming in? Usually Locke is calm and collected and so handles everything with the best most rational solution. This was not a very Locke-like reaction. Does he have something to hide especially from Jack? Does Sawyer and Charlie now know what he is trying to hide now that he has access to most of the items? Would Charlie use those items against his nemesis Locke as blackmail?


#41. Posted by: kent at February 9, 2006 6:37 PM

Great recap! I like the humor...makes reading the recaps more fun!

A bit of an oversight by the writers...I think...is the fact that they played up Sawyer's missing glasses, making him rely on Kate to read the magazine for him. However, he seems to be okay at sitting at a computer screen and typing numbers..?! Wouldn't you think he'd need glasses for that? Or...maybe he was conning everyone with his need for glasses...?

#42. Posted by: tropichunt.com guy™ at February 9, 2006 7:37 PM

adam:"hurly's time travel comment is not one to be dismissed easily"

time travel is impossible.

#43. Posted by: T'Pol at February 9, 2006 7:50 PM

The money in the gym bag that Sawyer gave to Cassie was like the money he had in his briefcase in the first flashback scene, cut paper with bills on the outside. He did the old switcherroo!

#44. Posted by: betty at February 9, 2006 9:18 PM

First comment, T'pol time travel is not impossible and in fact it happens all the time. We move forward in time with little or no effort, the trick is moving back in time. The faster an object goes the more time slows down. I.E. if you leave the earth into space at a high rate of speed and travell at that speed for a long time when you return you will not have as as much as others here on earth. Plus many physisists believe that there are ways to travel through worm holes or even black holes that could allow for time travel. Just a thought.
Second, what is the most important thing that we learned this episode? That Sawyer is a BAD ASS!!! I think that we had an idea of this all along, but the set up and delivery this episode was amasing. He is like the ultimate puppet master, playing everyone and most of all Jack and Locke. Harking back to the star wars references, that was one hell of a Jedi Mind Trick getting everyone to do just what he wanted them to do.
Just a tip, I do not think that this island neccessarily involves time travel but it does seem like Hanso has had a presence on the island since WWII.
Anyway, that is all for now.

#45. Posted by: hubguy at February 9, 2006 9:21 PM

In the episode back where sawyer was unconscious, and he said he looked her I thought it was because he was being possed by Kates father

#46. Posted by: al at February 9, 2006 9:43 PM

Props to Charlie for not taking the heroin offered him by Sawyer at the end. Of course, Sawyer may have had no idea how many statues there were and Charlie, hoping this to be so, took one and hid it somewhere else, then pretended he didn't want the one Sawyer offered him to throw off suspicion.

WUSO? Isn't the USO the organization responsible for providing troops in wartime with entertainment? It seems like alot of movies that are set during WWII always have a scene with a USO dance, right before troops are shipped off to battle zones and Glenn Miller, particularly that song (gave soldiers a chance to slow dance with a pretty young thang before having his head blown off), is always played.

Also, it seemed to me, that when Sun was attacked, Vincent would have been close enough to bark at anyone close by without a familiar scent. Made me think it had to be Ana Lucia, because I remembered at the end of one of the episodes, Vincent snuggling up to her. The connection is a long shot, but, oh well. I've been wrong plenty of times before.

I think Locke was so concerned about Jack and Jin coming for the guns because Sawyer was last person he expected the help from and he was suspicious of Sawyer's intentions. He even asked Sawyer why he was giving him the warning. I think it threw Locke off guard.

#47. Posted by: curtis at February 9, 2006 10:18 PM

T'Pol is a character from the TV series Enterprise, a Volcan who kept telling Captain Archer that "time travel is impossible" despite evidence to the contrary.

#48. Posted by: Ardie at February 9, 2006 10:33 PM

One comment in this ep that nobody has discussed yet is when Locke tells Jack that he should lock the medicine in with the guns. Jack's reply: "Why would I need to do that?"

So...why would he need to do that?

#49. Posted by: KG at February 9, 2006 10:46 PM

Just answered my own question. Seems Locke knew Sawyer had swiped the pills, and Jack's search of Sawyer's tent is the result of Locke spilling the beans. Locke certainly does seem to be staking out a great deal of control over the hatch, including medical inventory and searching every inch (included inside of books) for information. However, I'm still crossing my fingers that sweet old John won't cross over to the dark side!

#50. Posted by: KG at February 9, 2006 10:53 PM

Maybe the "Occurance at the Owl Creek Bridge" is more than just a one-episode-cute-little-theme-tie-in. Is it possible that the entire "Lost" is one big "Occurance"? I don't know how exactly that would work out or whose vision of his/her last seconds before crashing down to earth it belongs to, but... just an intriguing thought.

#51. Posted by: MikeDee at February 9, 2006 11:52 PM

whoops I meant [loved her]

#52. Posted by: al at February 9, 2006 11:57 PM

i hope not mikedee that would ruin everything about the show.

#53. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at February 10, 2006 12:04 AM

WUSO is a college radio station in Springfield Ohio on 89.1 (that would be FM folks, not AM, or shortwave). BUT, the intersting part is that the logo of the radio station (or maybe the college) is..... A fricken SWAN!! Is that an oddball connection. See for yourself:

http://www4.wittenberg.edu/student_organizations/wuso/

Matt

#54. Posted by: Matt at February 10, 2006 2:06 AM

The duffel bag trick is relatively easy for a slight of hand guy. There were simply two duffel bags on that chair, that's why he put it down behind the table, out of Cassie's sight. She saw him putting it in the duffel bag he gave her, but he was really putting it in one to leave under the table, handing her the ringer he'd previously stuffed. Heheh, sorry, as a writer I'm a student of the art of a con. They never cease to impress me.

#55. Posted by: Dave at February 10, 2006 3:15 AM

I've not seen a swan look like that...Thats more like a crane. But its close enough! a bird is a bird. Nice find! I wonder what they're programming is like? Big band?

But to dispell time travel theory, this IS the make-believe world of TV...anything is possible! Polar bears, smokey lightningballs that uproot trees and drag people into underground holes, and dont forget, mystery paraplegic healings??However, certain transmissions can bounce and travel very long distances, so location is irrelivent. Hell, it even could be transmitting from another island transmitter. (We've got a little golf course, complete with an underground clubhouse...why not a local radio station? Maybe thats what all the extra equipment in the hatch is for!)

And I'm now convinced that Desmond and Sawyer's girl is the same woman, but I'm also convinced that it won't add anything more than just that to the story. How do you guys find this stuff out?!? Detail bloodhounds!! (Casting for Dummies: Steps to recycle cast members)

#56. Posted by: YenSaltRed at February 10, 2006 3:32 AM

Lol@Sawyer's little speech. It made me want to vomit.

How come everybody went silent all of a sudden? Nobody cared to cut him off and yell "hey like wtf do you think you are doing here sawyer?" "Is this just one of your pathetic attention whoric ways?" "Give us the gun back NOW!" "We have more important stuff to deal with here like getting Micheal and his kid back and going after the others so we can find out what the hell is going on in this island! etc etc"

Instead everyone just lets him go. No one talks back or asks him any questions. I know he has a gun and stuff but AS IF he is going to kill the very people who cared for him like Jack and Kate. I don't get why people let him go like that.

And how does Sawyer expect to hold on to the gun when he knows he has to sleep at some point. Ecko should crack Sawyer over the head with his big stick when he's asleep.

I don't know why people are going crazy over this episode. I personally miss the mystery and the suspense from Season 1. Now it's like a soap opera. This episode didn't answer ANY questions and it made the last episode about Jack wanted to form an army quite a waste.

Why would Sawyer do something like that though? He was being so immature! waaa you took my stuff waaa now I'll get you back by taking the only means of protection we have waaaa
I mean the whole point is to go after the others to find micheal and his kid but things took a sharp turn now because Sawyer wont give back the guns. He HAS to give it up at some point.

I bet this happened just so the writers could come up with more stuff just so they could delay the show. Three or four backstories later and a few episodes later they will fianlly get the guns and go after the others to shoot their heads off.

Jack was going to put together an army but that ship has been derailed because that move would have captured the others and made them surrender. What a way to bring our hopes up. Again....What a dumb reason for Sawyer to take all the guns. Lost is quickly turning into a soap opera.
Pretty risky move by Charlie. What if he got caught? They would probabely hang him.

*stops rant*

Sorry but I just HAD to get that out of my system.

Now...My guess is that they are purposely not showing Charlie take the heroin, so they can later validate his visions as true, and show he wasn't a junkie after all.

#57. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at February 10, 2006 3:48 AM

I agree lostfan22.

That was very lame. Charlie's kidnapping and beating of Sun couldn't have put him in a good light if he got caught. That was a very gutsy move. It shows you that he really wanted to get back at Locke no matter what the circumstances. I still think that it was very unlike Charlie for him to do something like that. Way to go lost writers. That was totally beleivable.

#58. Posted by: slackjaw at February 10, 2006 4:08 AM

Well a junkie's gotta get access to his drugs. A junkie will do anything lame or despicable. Sawyer used him as a tool by tempting Charlie the idea that he can get his heroin back if he kidnapped Sun.

#59. Posted by: kent at February 10, 2006 7:55 AM

In regards to MikeDee's comment, "Is it possible that the entire "Lost" is one big "Occurance"?, we would like to suggest the following...what if in the series finale, we discover that all of this has been one giant, paranoid delusion, dreamed up by Hurley who is still in the Psych Ward? Imagine if all this is a "Dallas"-style, Bobby Ewing dream, and that each character on the island is actually a person in the Psych Ward (i.e. Jack is the doctor, Libby is the nurse...hence Hurley's "Don't I know you?" statement, etc.)

#60. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 10, 2006 8:28 AM

Ok, has anyone actually gone back to verify that the actress who played the waitress is the same actress that played Kates mom?

Too bad there's not a way to verify that Cassie was the same actress as in Desmonds picture.

Oh, and you're right. It IS a soap opra. has been from episode one. And D*MN Adam for getting me hooked on this... grin.

Nice job Mac - and thanks to all you detail mongers.

#61. Posted by: RD at February 10, 2006 9:02 AM

Ugh...I would hate that, Lost Boys and Girl....Isn't that how St. Elsewhere ended long ago and it let down an entire slew of fans????

#62. Posted by: vikki at February 10, 2006 9:04 AM

A question for everybody:
Does anyone have an idea as to why the numbers are printed on the outside of the hatch?
The only reasonal explanation I can think of is that they are simply some serial/manufactoring number and have no meening at all in the computer.
anyone??

#63. Posted by: Mithrandir75 at February 10, 2006 9:09 AM

It's possible the numbers are completely meaningless, but that's a highly unlikely possibility considering the people involved in the show spend the time to find intricate ways putting them in episodes every week. And judging by the previews for next week's episode, we're going to see what happens when the numbers aren't punched in to the computer in the hatch.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

#64. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 10, 2006 9:15 AM

'Diane' was played by Beth Broderick
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0110803/

And yes it was the same person in 'What Kate Did'

-ddt-

#65. Posted by: ddt at February 10, 2006 9:25 AM

One thing I truly believe...the conclusion of this series won't be some lame dream or 'occurrence' or group purgatory. The writers are too good for that and they know they would be lynched for having it all turn out to be something that would be so disappointing.

Hurley's time comment was hilarious and doesn't have any hidden significance. Just a quick poke by the writers at those who come up with these wild theories. The dramatic pauses were intentional and the payoff of 'Just kidding dude!' put to rest anything to do with that subject for me.

I think Sawyer's long con on the group will have one positive outcome- it should unite the rest of the group and hopefully make people like Jack and Locke realize that fighting or bickering with each other is pointless.

Sawyer's back story was one of the first that didn't really reveal anything significant that would move the show forward in our minds. It just served to show that he was great at the long con and tied in nicely to what he was doing on the island.

I agree that Locke was looking for more film strip fragments in the books.

Looks like next week we may actually get to see what happens if the numbers go down to zero...unless it's a dream sequence or something like that!

Looks like Steve will show up in a future episode...they wouldn't have brought him up otherwise.

Claire's one line and that 1/2 second shot of Eko before Sawyer's speech reminded me how difficult it is for all the characters to be worked into an episode effectively. But I hope the writers do a better job of it soon.

#66. Posted by: JoePike at February 10, 2006 10:08 AM

Who is Steve?

#67. Posted by: Lil at February 10, 2006 10:45 AM

I remember, Steve is confused with Scott, whom Ethon Rom killed.

#68. Posted by: lil at February 10, 2006 11:06 AM

Wasn't Kate's mom the other aunt on Sabrina the Teenage Witch?
February is sweeps month so there will be no repeats.
MAC, how about a new pic of Hurley? Maybe one with a smile on his face and not the hair blowing in it?
Finally, why can't Sawyer make new glasses with the reverse lenses from the two sets he already used? Sure they wouldn't hook on his ears but it's better than nothing.

#69. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 10, 2006 11:17 AM

I believe that there were many points made in this episode that people are completely over looking.

1. How do we know that Cassie is still alive? We don’t. Did anyone ever stop to think about what happened to Sawyer’s partner? Did Sawyer kill him and keep all of the money or is he still alive and they split the money as planned? If he is still alive, it could explain the 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi counting by Sawyer in the car. He sent Cassie to another street to get into a car. Maybe that car had the partner waiting for her. He killed her and left Sawyer his share of the money on that chair. The county was almost like he was waiting for a gun shot maybe? Just a thought.
2. This episode is important because now we know just how ruthless Sawyer really is. It wasn’t about his stash. Kate was right. Sawyer is living with guilt form all of his past mistakes and doesn’t see how he would ever be forgiven. So, he continues down his path of self destruction. He wants people to hate him. And for the record, he would die before giving up where those guns are located.
3. I have listened to the show 3 times and I absolutely do not believe the radio announcer says USO! Neither do 4 of my co-workers. If you have it on TiVo, go and listen.
4. Now about Charlie. I can’t believe no one has pointed this out. Charlie has been the “good” guy his whole life. We saw that in his back story. He helped “save” the family. He tried to do everything he could for his brother. He got off of the drugs. He played nurse maid to Claire and the baby. Always trying to do the right thing. In the end, he always got dumped on by people. Well, this episode says to everyone…GUESS WHAT?! Now you get to see how it is when a nice guy says I am sick of being a door mat. I am tired of being the “good” guy all of the time. He is pissed. Now we are going to see the lengths Charlie will go to make him happy. I think we have seen the end of a guy who helps everyone else out for awhile. He is going to only participate in things that help HIM out.
5. Finally, this episode was great! As Sawyer said… “There is a new sheriff in town.”

#70. Posted by: Marie at February 10, 2006 11:43 AM

--Who is Steve?--

I was wondering the same thing, but we do know that he is alive.

#71. Posted by: sharkkiller69 at February 10, 2006 11:51 AM

A couple points to hopefully aid the discussion.

1) These last two episodes seemed a little "conjured" by the writers and gave me the feeling that they are taking a new direction with the plot. A direction that wasn't with the original script. It was almost like, "we need to slow down the Dharma/others plot-line, lets shake up the castaways instead. We need some "bad" apples (i.e., charlie and sawyer)"

2) No one has really discusses WHY Charlie and Sawyer are suddenly going in the bad direction. It just doesn't make sense to me. Is the island playing a role or are they truly evil people?

#72. Posted by: texasrobster at February 10, 2006 12:11 PM

Is it me, or does Vincent only seem to appear as some form of warning now? He appears before anyone has a vision of Walt. Shannon followed him into the jungle towards Walt before getting shot. He appeared before Sun in the garden before she was kidnapped....what does it mean???

#73. Posted by: Vikki at February 10, 2006 12:15 PM

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Sawyer was screwing both Cassie and Gordie. In other words, he was going to keep the money all for himself and ditch both of them.

It's getting pretty contrived how it always rains when something bad is going to happen. I didn't think it was appropriate in this episode since it was something bad brought on by a Lostaway instead of an Island source.

#74. Posted by: JoePike at February 10, 2006 12:20 PM

In regards to texasrobster's comment, "We need some 'bad' apples", we would just like to remind everybody of something Locke said to Walt during the second episode of Season 1.

When explaining the concept of backgammon to Walt, Locke says that it is "a game of two sides...one light, and one dark." As far as we are concerned, that set the tone for the entire series. This will be a 'game' between two sides. If we go back to the purgatory theory for a second, pehaps that's what has to be done on this island in order to move on...you need to atone for your sins, do good deeds, so you can move on and 'win the game.'

#75. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 10, 2006 1:16 PM

I think locke changed the code on the safe and then hid the guns when he thought Jack was going to hand them out to keep Charlie from obtaining one of those guns. If you remember Locke witnessed charlie smoke Ethen ganster style because of the whole Claire incident. Locke was worried the same was going to happen to him. I think Locke would do anything to keep a gun out of Charlie's hands even if there was all out war with the Others. I saw it in his eyes. "If Charlie gets a gun my ass is toast".

#76. Posted by: bcooklti at February 10, 2006 1:49 PM

The "Lost" Boys and Girl ---- I agree

#77. Posted by: Marie at February 10, 2006 2:15 PM

Thanks for the write up. I missed all of the show but the last 15 min. I was "lost" lol. I will be sure to read this in the future.

#78. Posted by: Silke at February 10, 2006 2:51 PM

"Well a junkie's gotta get access to his drugs. A junkie will do anything lame or despicable. Sawyer used him as a tool by tempting Charlie the idea that he can get his heroin back if he kidnapped Sun."

Saywer offered Charlie drugs but he declined it. So I guess you are wrong on that one.

#79. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at February 10, 2006 2:55 PM

Does anyone else feel cheated and confused that the whole army deal didn't go through and now we are stuck contemplating when they are going to go after the others?

#80. Posted by: Jack1 at February 10, 2006 2:57 PM

I noticed the book Locke had...dream sequence or what!!! Now let's have a little bit more of Sayid in the coming episodes please. He's hot.

#81. Posted by: anita at February 10, 2006 3:05 PM

I am confused why more people aren't mad at Sawyer for doing what he did.

#82. Posted by: sherie at February 10, 2006 3:06 PM

I don't think the writers actually want them to 'go after' the Others...from what we've seen so far that would be suicide for the Losties.

And now from out of left field...

Claire's psychic could see that she was resolute about giving her child up for adoption. He knew from his 'visions' that Claire had to be the one to raise the baby or there would be dire results. I believe he sent Claire on the plane because he knew it was going to crash and thought she would be killed, hence, the problem (and the 'evil baby' if not under Claire's care) goes away. I really don't think he knew Claire would survive the crash (how often does ANYONE survive a jumbo jet crash?). I believe he thought he was getting rid of the problem.
But so many people have posted that they think he knew she would survive on an island and be 'forced' to raise the baby on her own. This means he probably knows a heck of a lot more about the island. I just don't think that's right, but hopefully someday we'll find out for sure.

I'm surprised that we'll see what happens when the countdown goes to zero so soon. This leads me to believe that:

1. Whatever happens won't really be a big deal.

2. Whatever happens won't have immediate results, but will culminate towards the end of the season.

3. It's part of a dream sequence and won't really happen.

We'll see!

#83. Posted by: JoePike at February 10, 2006 3:10 PM

Just an aside-- I am very intrigued by the visions in this show and how they play out. I was hoping this vision would tie in more to Charlie's vision, but it did not so much... Here are the visions I recall so far:

1) Jack's vision of his dad resulted in: finding the oasis of water which led to a bit of a division between the beach-ers and the oasis-ers

2) Locke's vision of the crashed airplane resulted in:
Boone's death; a temporary return of Locke's paralysis; a brief radio encounter w/ the Tailies; drugs being found that tied to Eko & are still playing an ongoing role in Charlie's struggle (question: anyone think Sawyer could end up being a user now that he is in possession of the statues?)

3) Shannon's vision of sopping wet Walt resulted in: her death; Sayid's sorrow; Ana Lucia being more on the outs than she would be otherwise

4) Charlie's vision of the dove and the saints on the beach resulted in: Charlie's strange behavior and subsequent ostricism from the others which drove him to hurting Sun; the baptism of Claire's baby... anything else relevant?

I know I have got to be missing one or two... any more ideas... I did not include the horse, because it seemed very real and then I would have to include the polar bear, smoke monster, etc.

#84. Posted by: JL815 at February 10, 2006 3:15 PM

Does anyone else feel cheated and confused that the whole army deal didn't go through and now we are stuck contemplating when they are going to go after the others?

-- Posted by: Jack1 at February 10, 2006 02:57 PM

Yeah, if the army dies because people fail to sign up (which we never even saw) and now because there are no guns, it will go down as one of the lamest ideas and biggest letdowns of the show.

Hopefully, it will develop in the next few episodes, but Im doubting it.

#85. Posted by: JRaw at February 10, 2006 3:54 PM

*Does anyone else feel cheated...

Not particularly. If the army had been formed it was bound to be defeated, simply because it was so rashly conceived. The only thing I could imagine would be if the army training were a sub-plot for the rest of the season (much like the life raft of last season) and the cliff hanger (ala the hatch being opened) was the confrontation of the 815-ers and the Others... I suppose that could have been quite satisfying.

Oh-- And I loved this week's episode! I thought it was the best yet of this season.

#86. Posted by: JL815 at February 10, 2006 4:42 PM

Regarding the comments on the computer counting down to zero, I think it will happen, and it won't be a dream sequence. (Could be, but what a letdown if so) The Big Question, of course, is what will happen? Well, if we follow the Hanso film, we are likely to have another "incident" occur. Ok, so what is an incident? Let's see, this is a lab dealing with magnetic experiments... Sayid hasn't seen anything like the big laydown of concrete "since Chernobyl", I believe he said... so it seems to be a station of some power, perhaps... and then it hit me! When an "incident" occurs, there are wild magnetic fluctuations from this station, and they PULL PLANES IN. Opinions? Even if this is not the case, I think it's a pretty neat idea, it might also explain how portions of these planes "soft land" too, they ride the magnetic currents down to the island. Love this site and the posts!

#87. Posted by: The Duf at February 10, 2006 6:55 PM

I like that theory...its clean and logical. Now if you can figure out the tree-smashing people-eating smoke monster, thats what I would want to know about!

#88. Posted by: YenSaltRed at February 10, 2006 11:14 PM

Well, despite some naysayings to the idea, I think it is some form of nanocloud, basically a composite (magnetic?) of tiny machine bits that can reform into any given task at hand. It has exhibited properties that seem to exclude much else, and surely the "brain scan" we saw it perform on Eko speaks to it's tech side. It has been referred to as the 'security system' more than once, which is an interesting phrase, when you think about it. What exactly is it 'securing'? It only seems to manifest in the jungle areas, but also was ready to drag Locke to "the underground" of the island... so I admit I'm still a bit puzzled as to all the little quirks of The Monster. But it sure is damn cool.

#89. Posted by: The Duf at February 11, 2006 1:10 AM

Great review Mac! But I gotta disagree with you on one point. Cassie didn't have a femullet.

#90. Posted by: lostinmanhattan at February 11, 2006 4:56 AM

Did anyone catch Hurley's slip up, referring to the Nigerian plane as Norwegian? I thought it was a nice, subtle point-out to the Hanso Foundation again, who I thought was from Norway.

Also, I wonder that if Hurley's random comments throughout the show have any greater significance than the face value we dismiss them for. No one on the island seems to take what he says seriously, but he turns out to be right nearly all of the time. He is, after all, the character most closely tied with the numbers, so perhaps he's saying more than we realize?

#91. Posted by: jerson at February 11, 2006 5:30 AM

Sticking with our purgatory theory, what if the monster wasn't scanning Ecko's brain, but his soul? What if this 'security system' is securing their place in purgatory, by determining whether or not they are ready to move on? Maybe that's why it was pulling Locke underground because at the time, it might have thought Locke had paid for his sins and was ready to move on.

#92. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 11, 2006 6:52 AM

Good point about Hurley, Jerson. And it probably wouldn't bother him too much that no one takes him seriously since he has always doubted himself thanks to the numbers being cursed and all...

Regarding the black smoke and Eko's images....it seems like we have all assumed that what we saw in the smoke was from the smoke's perspective, meaning that it read Eko's mind/soul/thoughts/whatever. But what if the images in the smoke were what Eko saw in it, from his perspective? How do we know this is not the case? Would that change anyone's theory?

And I am not so sure we can trust this whole Sawyer issue yet either....after all it is a LONG CON, right?...what if this "new-sheriff-tough-guy" routine is what he wants the survivors to think, yet is somehow part of an even bigger scheme to con the island and the others? We know better than to take anything about this show at face value....

#93. Posted by: Vikki at February 11, 2006 8:20 AM

I just have this curiosity, where do the fresh water in the hatch came from? Because I think they didn't go to the cave like it used to, and took water from within the hatch instead.

Great posts Mac, altough I always have to open my dictionary of English Idioms to understand your beautiful play with words, since I don't speak English :)

#94. Posted by: vazirani at February 11, 2006 11:56 AM

At the beginning of the radio cast you hear: "that was duke ellington and his orchestra featuring Cootie.." Duke Ellington wrote a song with Cootie Wiliams called "Conceto for Cootie"in 1944, the same year that Glen Miller was in his fatal plane crash.

#95. Posted by: jon at February 11, 2006 3:01 PM

Vikki...even if what Ecko saw in the cloud was from his perspective, that doesn't change our theory of purgatory (yet). Maybe the cloud is showing him what needs to be done. Remember, Locke said something to Charlie once about the island giving you what you need if you just ask.

And we love your idea about not taking the Sawyer thing at face value (yet). He is a con, and he did tell Zeke that they had some unfinished business (perhaps Sawyer will set up an arms trade with the Others, only to reneg and go Rambo on all their asses).

#96. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 11, 2006 3:01 PM

Why did Sawyer pick Charlie to help with his diabolical schemes? He sensed soemthing in Charlie that everyone else has missed.

Remember the Moth episode where Jack and Charlie are caught up in a rock slide? Moments before the slide Charlie yells out "I am a ROCK GOD" or something similar.

Sawyer has enlisted the very "GOD of ROCK" to assist him. very clever. I don't think even Charlie knows how powerful he is.

#97. Posted by: Kate Walter at February 11, 2006 5:33 PM

RE: Vikki and Lost Boys and girl, I'm glad someone finally said there is more to Sawyer's con than meets the eye!! I think he will redeem himself yet! It may take a good amount of time, and more back stories than some are willing to wade through, but I could see him going after Michael and Walt in some convoluted, scheming way. After all, he "had his reasons" for going after Michael with Jack and Locke. And there's the "Me and you aint finished, Zeke." comment. I also thought that his last statement of the episode was pretty foreboding. "I'm not a good person, Charlie. I've never done a good deed in my life." I know that it might have seemed just like his self affirmation of "not changing his stripes", but that statement felt more loaded to me.

And just a point of clarification, Charlie didn't beat Sun when he grabbed her. She says she got away, ran and fell down, hitting her head.

#98. Posted by: karen at February 11, 2006 6:35 PM

I have a theory as well.

I dont think there actually is an island. They are all part of an expiriment by the Hanso Foundation. If is a psychological experiment. The flight was taken by the Hanso Foundation, and the passengers are all hooked up to some type of machines. The machines read their thoughts and probe their minds, and create a world much like the Matrix, only on a much smaller scale. The others are the doctors, who enter the matrix to interact with the "patients". The "monster" is the perception of some type of probe that is designed to read the memories of the patients. They will eventualy be shown at the end of the show in a lab laying on hospital beds.

#99. Posted by: sharkkiller69 at February 11, 2006 8:49 PM

I think the writers of the show are much more creative than that sharkkiller69!!!

thanks karen for clarifying the point that it wasn't charlie who beat sun up but that she fell. where did anyone get the idea that charlie beat her???

love the smoke monster theories.keep 'em coming!!

#100. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at February 11, 2006 9:05 PM

Shannon - Debbie Harry? Get real. As another poster did for you, it is very easy to find cast members on the internet.

I replayed the scene at the end where Sawyer zips up the bag of cash--and I think you hear a gunshot at that moment, and maybe some sort of shriek. I haven't seen anyone else post this. Can someone go back and check? There seem to be different theories as to who was working with whom and who is conning who. I thought that it was simple: Sawyer carried out the long con on Cassie w/ the partner out of the vicinity. But if that is an audible gunshot, it might change how you interpret it.

As for the time travel posts, technically time travel is not possible. The whole twins paradox is not actual time travel, but rather a relative effect stemming from the nature of space-time. The real "time travel" that I think most people think of and are refering to, is travel backwards in time. Some have stated that physicists have stated time travel may be possible through wormholes or black holes. That is a misrepresentation. It is not possible for a human being or an airplane or any object to travel through either because of the gravitational forces which tear matter apart atom by atom in a process referred to as spaghettification, requiring that anything traveling through them to be infinitely small. That's an over-simplification, but, hell, this ain't "Nova," its "Lost." In any event, if you want to have some scientific basis to a theory of what's happening on the island, it can't be time travel. Otherwise, this is fantasy island.

To everyone who is disappointed in the direction the development of an army is supposedly headed, I say, I think you got a little too caught up in that one. Several weeks ago, a lot of people were saying--why would Jack do that; why wouldn't he talk to Sayid? Now some of you are like, "Why won't we get our army?" I think it is clear, that the whole army comment and ensuing plotline was really just the set-up by the writers in the show for the Sawyer-centric long con.

Kent - Someone else may know better, but I thought the Hanso Foundation and therefore the film dated back no earlier than the 60's or 70's. Therefore, there may be some connection to the island w/ WWII, but I think its independent (notice I didn't say unrelated) of the Hanso Foundation.

LOSTFAN22 & Others - As for your soap opera comments and your comments on the motivations of characters. People don't always behave rationally or logically. While I expect the plot to be logical, I accept that human beings act and react based on their own motivations. Some people when placed in a group situation absolutely must be the center of attention, or assert their dominance, etc. It happens all the time, whether or not there is "something better they should be doing." And if you don't see mystery and suspense in this show anymore, then I suggest you stop watching altogether and switch over to American Idol, because you just don't get it.

As for whether or not we will see the countdown go to zero, I have a couple comments: (1) It better not be a dream sequence, because they played that trick on us already, when Jin spoke English in the previews and then the following week that was a Hurley dream. They better not do it twice. (2) What is more likely to happen IMHO, is next week's show will end on the countdown at zero, and we will have to wait another week for some kind of reveal. Otherwise, I'm intrigued by the tease and can't wait to see what happens.

The whole purgatory and "Occurence" debate is interesting, but I can't believe the writers would reveal the "answer" to the show with some a-little-bit-too-cutesy anagrams and literary references. Consider this, a hit show usually runs (and for that matter stays good) for 5-7 years. If the whole point of the show was they were in purgatory, would you make it so obvious in the middle of season two as to have a book written by a character named Gary Troup? But its a good red herring to what's really going on. In fact, a good mystery has to have multiple possibilities and potential suspects, and a few red herrings thrown in, doesn't it? I think the writers are doing a good job of keeping us guessing. Besides, if it was really all in one person's mind (the "occurence" theory), then how does that one person have knowledge of everyone else, and their lives from before in Australia? And who is that one person? And if it really is Purgatory, and they are atoning for past sins before moving on, what did Boone and Shannon do to earn their ticket off the island? Or anyone else who died?

Besides, how many times have we seen the "Sixth Sense" gimmick in films and tv now? Or the "it was just a dream" payoff? It really would be a rip-off if that's where the writers took us. But then again, I can see the business side of it. I mean, if you could come up with a concept for a show that had a totally lame explanation, but you could keep the masses entralled wondering what the secret was for years and earn tons of money, from a studio executive's perspective--who cares if it ends with a lame explanation. Its made you rich in the process. Talk about a long con!

#101. Posted by: Tom at February 11, 2006 10:36 PM

One more thought.

You know how the Sixth Sense was so great that you went back and watched all the hints and were so amazed that it was all right there in front of you the whole time and you didn't know it? And it made perfect sense?

I think, no I hope, that "Lost" can pull that part of the "Sixth Sense" off, or I think that it needs to, to end up satisfying. That's a tall order for a multi-season tv show compared to a 2-hour movie. But, wow, if they can pull it off.

To me, the whole trick IS to have all the clues there, have all the information you need to figure it out in the show, but not realize until the end what's going on, and then to be able to look back and piece it together and have it all make sense. If they're in Purgatory, I'd look back and say, "Damn, that's stupid. That's what people thought from the very beginning. Hell, they even had a character named Gary Troup. Stupid!"

#102. Posted by: Tom at February 11, 2006 10:50 PM

I just remembered a conversation between Michael and Sawyer in Season 1, Episode 25 (Exodus - Part 3) that went as follows:

Sawyer: My daddy never got a chance to beat me. He shot himself when I was 8.
Michael: Is that why you want to die, man?
Sawyer: What?
Michael: Since the day you told me you wanted on this raft, I couldn't figure it out. Why does a guy who only cares about himself want to risk his life to save everyone else? The way I see it, there's only 2 choices you're either a hero or you want to die.
Sawyer: Well, I ain't no hero, Mike.

So here we surmise that Sawyer wants to die and in this last episode Kate says at the end that his con was not about his stash or guns but that he needs for everyone to hate him.

Just trying to get some more insight into Sawyer's motives.

#103. Posted by: Ardie at February 12, 2006 3:08 AM

Tom as for your last comment...that's a lot like the movie The Usual Suspects too...good point

#104. Posted by: Vikki at February 12, 2006 8:05 AM

We would like to reflect on Tom's "time travel is impossible...planes can't travel through a wormhole because of gravitational pull" comment with the following words from Shakespere (taken from his greatest work, "Hamlet"):

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio [Tom], than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

#105. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys and Girl at February 12, 2006 9:18 AM

@KateWalter

Why did Sawyer pick Charlie?
1) He's on the outs with the tribe
2) As the one everyone else thinks is on heroin, if Charlie gives him up he can just say "Charlie must be high", his con skills are always looking for an edge
3) With the beatdown Locke gave him, he became a natural enemy to want to get back at Locke
4) He probably promised Charlie a chance to get back with Claire (or more peanut butter)

#106. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 12, 2006 9:58 AM

I have to agree with LOSTFAN22 that last week?s episode was pretty lame. Actually the last three have not been up to the superb standard set during the first season and in the first few episodes of this season. I guess that is what happens when you need to stretch 48 episodes into 108 - creative writing must suffer.

The obvious let down began with Jack and principally Locke?s uncharacteristic and totally disappointing meltdown during their encounter with the Others - and has continued with Sawyer?s soap opera-ish contrived coup d'é´¡t. Sun just happened to regain consciousness at the right time. Jack just happened to wait the necessary time for Locke to remove the guns. And wasn?t it convenient that Locke ? the expert tracker ? had no idea that Charlie ? of all people ? was following him. And why take the guns when all you have to do is hide the bullets. I could go on and on.

The creators of Lost set a precedent during the first season with the superb quality of the writing, production, and cast. The cast has increased to the point of overkill and the writing has taken a detour during the last three episodes. Come on guys ? it has been over 50 days and still our ?survivors? have not explored the island. Shame on you! Let?s pick it up to the level we have grown to love and expect. Please continue to feed our addiction and justify our obsession with imaginative television. Lost is one of the best television programs ever. Let?s continue to keep it that way.

#107. Posted by: PAG at February 12, 2006 2:02 PM

I think they don't explore more because there have been too many encounters in the jungle with the Monster/Security System/Cloud/You-Guess. But on the other hand, I see the power cable as a literal line in the sand too, since Sayid was the first to follow it, and then Hurley as well, but nobody has gone PAST it, right? As far as the countdown, even my own theories are based on the idea that something happens THEN, but what if it is more subtle? It may countdown and we all wait and there's... nothing. Surely the station is not going to explode, although the blast doors Michael noticed, and his comment that "the computer isn't what you think it is" both remain interesting points. Remember those long hallways they walked down, from the hatch to the station? Why do you suppose those are there? And I've also always been curious about the bright light that seemed to make Kate vanish suddenly too, she didn't even get to cry out, but no explanation of this was ever offered. I think there are plenty of mysteries about this little station, the countdown being an important one, but there will be others revealed as well.

#108. Posted by: The Duf at February 12, 2006 3:42 PM

Thank you all for the insightful comments and theories. You've helped increase my love of the show. My theory? My theory is that the WRITERS of the show are one or two steps ahead of us AND they undoubtedly read everything out there -- all the blogs, all the reviews, all the theories. They may have been travelling toward a "purgatory" angle in the past, but I'll bet that the storyline will morph and meld and shift and juke, over and over again for the next 5 to 7 years. WE WON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF IT ALL UNTIL THE WRITERS DO. They're on the ride with us, and they won't dare go for the easy answers. A guarantee: we will all be blown away when the series finale hits out tv screens sometime in May of 2010. Until then -- enjoy the ride.

#109. Posted by: ANDRU at February 13, 2006 12:18 AM

I already have an end of the series in mind. Picture this...

They decide to let the countdown run to zero, because that'll be their ticket home. (click your heels Dorothy) And then... when the countdown hits zero. POOF! Screen goes blank.

THE END.

(You know the writers will screw us in the end. They could never come up with an ending that's good enough for the fans)

#110. Posted by: SnakeJake at February 13, 2006 4:02 AM

klick on the picture to make it bigger, it sure dont look like Charlie to me...?

http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=13&pos=19

peace

#111. Posted by: Ace at February 13, 2006 8:22 AM

I don't remember seeing that angle in the actual show (correct me if I'm wrong please) ...so since they didn't plan on showing the attacker from the front (or at least not for more than 1/2 a second in the pouring rain), there was no reason for the actor who plays Charlie to actually do it- just someone strong enough to make it look good on camera. No matter what that picture shows, as far as the Lost story is concerned Charlie did it. There'd be no reason for a trick by the writers on that one. It was clearly and without a doubt confirmed by Sawyer and Charlie's conversation.

I agree that there's going to be more to the long con than we've seen yet. Sawyer has done at least one good deed I can think of. He told Jack the story about meeting his doctor dad in the Australian bar and he didn't have to do that. I truly believe that some major redemption is going to come Sawyer's way at some point. I don't believe he alienated himself from the group (and especially Kate) if he didn't have more of the 'plan' still to come. If someone happened to find the guns, his 'power' is gone. If someone bartered with him for a gun, all someone else would have to do is follow Sawyer to the guns and his power is gone. It'll be interesting to see the group dynamic now as far as Sawyer is concerned.

I also find it hard to believe that Locked didn't know Charlie was following him. I think Locke would've been especially aware of that since he felt it was so important to hide the guns.

The island is HUGE for people who have to travel on foot. They have 'explored' a large portion of it just from their dealings with the Others and from trying to find missing people. But with the monster and the Others (who know the island VERY well) running around, I'm not surprised that they aren't motivated to explore every inch of the island.

I think the writers have a very broad outline/answer to the Lost story. So broad that they can make most of it up as they go along. They may not have it all figured out yet, and may still be fighting to tie a lot of the pieces of the story together. So though the story may have started out one way, because of the show's success and apparent longevity, the writers may have changed (several times even) the 'answers'. I agree they are maxed out on characters now. Even if one or two more croak, they don't need to replace them...they just need to bring each remaining character into each episode more. Guest appearances are OK, but please no more regular cast members!

#112. Posted by: JoePike at February 13, 2006 9:04 AM

Ace, no it's not Charlie, but if you look closely, this guy has a protective mouthpiece in his mouth, which leads me to think he's just a stunt guy? We never see the entire body of the person who drags Sun off in the actual episode. I'm not familiar with these screen caps, but it seems to me that we were never meant to see "Charlie-the-stunt-guy". We never saw some of those other shots of Sun running away either. I think we're looking at edited pics.

#113. Posted by: karen at February 13, 2006 9:04 AM

Great comments. I have a few to add and I'll be short.

1) The writers have clearly stated that nothing is supernatural on the island, hence, I think the purgatory theory is off the list of explanations. Sure you don't have to believe them, but why would they come out and say that? Besides, thats a weak theory that I think everyone thought of by the first episode.

2) Equally weak theories are the "matrix" and "occurence/idenity" theories. I think we are seeing more sci-fi than pure rip-off. The "polar reversal" theory is on my list of most plausible, with a lot of Hanso complexity thrown in.

3) I think those who are criticizing the writing are ignoring the complex psychology of the island. Thats what makes this show much richer than say...Star Terk.

4) I think we are going to see Sawyer as the hero in the end and not Jack.

#114. Posted by: texasrobster at February 13, 2006 9:38 AM

http://www.thetailsection.com/

Yes that, in fact, is not charlie kidnapping Sun. It is, however Dom's stand in. In the promo shots you are often seeing things that the primary camera is not capturing. Add this one to the various mic shots, Evie's Ipod, the artificial campfire, and various other promo shot bloopers.

Do your homework folks. You can find answers to things like the use of "stand ins" very easy with a little research!

#115. Posted by: Marie at February 13, 2006 10:58 AM

lostinmanhattan.

Are you in femullet denial? Cassie had the definition of a femullet, anyone else disagree? One other comment about Locke not sensing Charlie's presence when he was carrying the guns. Lets give the writers some lee-way on this. Locke was carrying a bunch of guns, they were knocking together/making noise, and he was hurrying. Lets not make Locke out to be some super-hero or something, hes human and can screw up too you know.

#116. Posted by: texasrobster at February 13, 2006 12:30 PM

I had an interesting thought. If there is a website that already does this, then please let me know. What if the moderators made a link to a page that listed all the "mysteries" of Lost and then posted the answers as we recieve them. I think it would be helpful. For instance, Q:the significance of 108/the numbers. Or, Q:what happens when the timer goes to zero. Or Q:the significance of the "bad Twin." Under each topic, the best theories can be summarized and when the show reveals the "true" answer then it can be labelled as "explained." Anyways, probably too much work, but it would be a great way to consolidate information and it would be fun to read.

#117. Posted by: texasrobster at February 13, 2006 2:01 PM

I will throw this out there as an explanation for entering the numbers in the computer console every 108 minutes.

Picture a reverse of the monolith from 2001. In 2001, when the monolith was uncovered on the Moon it signaled that Man had evolved to a certain technological point.

On the day that the numbers are not entered into the console within 108 minutes, the researchers back at the lab will figure that their contrived society has finally broken down...

Just taking a shot in the dark here...

#118. Posted by: Aztecdoug at February 13, 2006 4:03 PM

texasrobster wrote:
I think those who are criticizing the writing are ignoring the complex psychology of the island. Thats what makes this show much richer than say...Star Trek.

Agreed. I rewatched the latest episode again last night. Over all a very well-crafted episode with lots of cross-over info between Sawyer's flashback sequences and the island storyline. All the characters on this show are 3dimensional characters with flaws - even Jack, even Locke. The island's mysteries are complex and inventive. What I do agree with the "Negis" out there is that it will be difficult to have a desired pay-off that fits the build-up of tension and mystery.

#119. Posted by: JL815 at February 13, 2006 6:20 PM

Random thoughts:

- there are plenty of characters in this show (I would be fine if they did not introduce anymore)
- does Charlie know where the guns are? will Sawyer have to use the 'Sun kidnapping' as blackmail to keep him quiet?
- Sawyer definitely wants a piece of "Zeke" so why didn't he want to join the militia - especially if he has a death wish?
- Jack did not go to Sayid about building an army because he was still in grieving and Anna Lucia has actually killed one of them (the Others)
- the deceased Gary Troup's (i.e. purgatory) "Bad Twin" book which is being published is just plan weird; will it have anything to do with the plot of the show?
- the "New Sheriff in Town" speech by Sawyer, may not have fit the Sawyer character perfectly (or maybe it does) but it was a great zapper - I sure didn't see it coming, and I especially didn't suspect Charlie's involvement (Anna L. made a great red herring)

#120. Posted by: JL815 at February 13, 2006 6:54 PM

Still looking for answers to these questions.

Why is no one looking for the Other's boat? If I'm on an island and I want to get off I'm going to be looking for that boat.

If there was only 3 months supply of food in the bunker pantry where was Desmond going to get more food?

Why isn't Locke interested in exploring the hole he was almost dragged down into? Seems like a lot of questions might be answered form a little looking and Locke seems like the explorer to do it.

#121. Posted by: Little Dougie at February 13, 2006 8:16 PM

Below is a write up for "Bad Twin" on amazon.com. Regardless of if you think this "book" is merely a money plan associated with the show, I thought maybe there were some clues within the summary. Maybe someone on the island writes under the pseudonym "Gary Troup," and maybe someone on the island has a twin....say Sawyer and his twin sister KATE???

From amazon.com:

Book Description
Sometimes evil has a familiar face . . .
Paul Artisan, P.I. is a new version of an old breed -- a righter of wrongs, someone driven to get to the bottom of things. Too bad his usual cases are of the boring malpractice and fraud variety. Until now.

His new gig turns on the disappearance of one of a pair of twins, adult scions of a rich but tragedy-prone family. The missing twin -- a charismatic poster-boy for irresponsibility -- has spent his life daring people to hate him, punishing himself endlessly for his screw-ups and misdeeds. The other twin -- Artisan's client -- is dutiful and resentful in equal measure, bewildered that his "other half" could have turned out so badly, and wracked by guilt at his inability to reform him. He has a more practical reason, as well, for wanting his brother found: their crazy father, in failing health and with guilty secrets of his own, will not divide the family fortune until both siblings are accounted for.

But it isn't just a fortune that's at stake here. Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. The P.I. may have his long-awaited chance to put his courage and ideals to the test, but if he doesn't get to the bottom of this case soon, it could very well cost him his life.

Troup's long-awaited Bad Twin is a suspenseful novel that touches on many powerful themes, including the consequence of vengeance, the power of redemption, and where to turn when all seems lost.

About the Author
Bad Twin is the highly-anticipated new novel by acclaimed mystery writer Gary Troup. Bad Twin was delivered to Hyperion just days before Troup boarded Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004. He remains missing and is presumed dead.

#122. Posted by: Vikki at February 13, 2006 8:50 PM

Hey, has anyone considered that Locke may have known all along Sawyers plan. What if Charlie went to Locke when Sawyer approached him to try & get back in the good books & Locke has a whole other plan on the cards. Just a thought.

#123. Posted by: Kirk at February 14, 2006 12:15 AM

i'm not sure who asked/mentioned but i thought that sawyer had the lil' statue cause charlie told him about his little hiding spot and perhaps thats where sawyer picked to hide the guns.

#124. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at February 14, 2006 2:01 AM

Just read an online story, Evangeline Lilly is pregnant and Dominic Monaghan is the father!

http://www.tmz.com/features/rumors

#125. Posted by: blarry at February 14, 2006 10:05 AM

One thought about Charlie: Maybe has has given up herion for real, for good. In past episodes he kept saying he wasn't using (granted he lied about other things, so could be lying). However when Sawyer offered him one statue he said he didn't do it for that reason. He did it to make Locke look and feel the fool.

However here's a point. Sawyer guessed wrong about Charlie. I would imagine a con artist prides himself on being able to anticpate what motivates people (hence the abiltity to con). He blew it with Charlie. Not only that, he now doesn't have control over Charlie - something else I would assume a con likes to have.

You can't con someone if you can't manipulate them. Charlie just proved Sawyer doesn't can't con everyone.

#126. Posted by: Anna at February 14, 2006 1:02 PM

Good points Anna, but as someone else pointed out, Sawyer still has complete control over Charlie because of the Sun ordeal. Granted it would be tough for Sawyer to prove, but Charlie emphasizing to Sawyer that Sun could never ever find out that he was the one who did it gave Sawyer an enormous amount of control over Charlie, in my humble opinion.

#127. Posted by: JoePike at February 14, 2006 1:55 PM

Sawyer does not have "control" over Charlie. Why? Well, when Sawyer "tells on" Charlie about Charlie kidnapping Sun, all Charlie has to do is explain it was Sawyer's idea.

No? Am I wrong?

Then it's all down to who does the crew trust more? A con man? A heroin addict?

#128. Posted by: schiano at February 14, 2006 5:48 PM

on spoilerfix.com it says that in the upcoming episode 'maternity leave' 'zeke' will be reappearing as well as well as ethan rom

#129. Posted by: thomas elliott at February 15, 2006 3:32 AM

The twin theory isn't actually that far fetched..remember the YING - YANG colors that came up alot in season one..Black-white...the eyes of Locke in someone's nightmare...

#130. Posted by: Samir at February 15, 2006 6:39 AM

I still think Sawyer has a bit of control over Charlie...he doesn't care if anyone knows Sun's attempted abduction was his idea. He's already alienated himself from the group through his con, so why should he care if he makes them hate him even more? (Except that he would feel the wrath of Jin...either he or Charlie or both will experience that eventually!)

#131. Posted by: JoePike at February 15, 2006 9:45 AM

If I was Charlie and for some reason or other Sawyer told everyone I did it, I would just deny it.
Really, why would they believe anything from Sawyer?

#132. Posted by: Zeppo at February 15, 2006 11:34 AM

Everyone's assuming Sawyer approached Charlie... is the proof of that idea? What if Charlie approached Sawyer and Sawyer just came up with the plan?

Also, I could have sworn that the radio broadcast at the end of the episode said that the call letters for the radio station began with a "K" indicating it was a US West Coast radio station. Somebody... Anybody... please go back to your TiVo and verify.

Thanks!!!!

#133. Posted by: GeekyGal at February 15, 2006 12:50 PM

Seems I have answered my own question... after a whole lot of researching on the web, I found a LOST site that has a searchable transcript feature. The radio station is WXO according to the transcript.

NOW... after further research, WXA to WZZ were reserved for Army radio stations. All of this was established circa 1922.

So the question is why would an Army radio station be playing music from the 1930's/1940's?

#134. Posted by: GeekyGal at February 15, 2006 2:25 PM

Lots of things on the island are WWII millitary surplus. Perhaps an army surplus radio station complete with old vinyl collection is hidden somewhere on the island. Or for the time travel theorists, maybe the transmission is from a Pacific war mobile station nearby. Or it could have been the big band/swing hour show since people still listen to those and other non top 40 recordings.

#135. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 15, 2006 3:36 PM

It's seems to be quite possible that one day on the island doesn't correspond to one day in the "real" world.

After reading the forum comments and thinking about a couple of events (old radio transmissions, old military equipment, the black rock, ...) and statements from the characters on Lost (i.e. from Zeke, asking "how long" they have been on the island, Hurley joking about time, ...) during this season, I can't get rid of the feeling that the electromagnetic field from the hatch causes some kind of time distortion field around the island.

If this hypothesis is correct, there could be two (or three) totally different scenarios from a real world standpoint:
1) the losties have just arrived on the island and rescue probably hasn't even begun...
2) time in the real world passes much faster than on the island and mankind is possibly already extinct.
3) T'Pol is wrong and they even did travel backwards in time (of course the Volcans have mathematically proved that this is impossible...).

#136. Posted by: Margot at February 15, 2006 6:39 PM

Wow....what an episode (this weeks). Some points i found breathtakingly arousing are as follows:
- I am now undeniabely certain that Locke has something to do with Dharma. It seems as if Locke was so scared of what would happen when the clock struck 0:00 that he: raced back to the computer, nervously typed in wrong numbers, saw that the numbers had gotten to zero, SAW the mysterious figures pop up instead of the numbers and then TYPES IN AN UNKNOWN CODE to reset the timer after it already counted down! Did anyone notice that?! This is insane!!! Maybe he doesn't want the losties to know what will happen, or maybe it was too early for the clock to strike zero. Can anyone expand on this and add their opinion?
- Does anyone think that the general/officer/whatever - whom we see Sayid talking to numerous times throughout the episode - is the man we know as Zeke. He has that noticeable, grizzly voice and the white facial hair Zeke is known for. Also he promised Sayid would use his torturing skills again after Sayid said he would not. Anyone else agree on this comment?

I'll copy this into next episode's blog, I had to get this off my chest. This episode was just so mind-blowing!

#137. Posted by: RM at February 16, 2006 1:14 AM

I think Locke just finished typing in the normal numbers and the clock reset. The question is did something bad happen during the few seconds the clock was wound down, or is there just the POSSIBILITY that there will be another incident when ever the clock winds down?

The CIA agent did not look like the same actor as "zeke" to me. I could be wrong.

Who does Jack think he is interfering with an old school asswhoopin' AND deciding on his own to let the clock run down? Jack needs to die a horribly painful death so Fox can have time for cheesey big screen roles. Maybe he will free the captured Other and see his misplaced kindness repaid with a Goodwin style chiropractic neck adjustment.

#138. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 16, 2006 10:21 AM

I've managed to save up roughly $34668 in my bank account, but I'm not sure if I should buy a house or not. Do you think the market is stable or do you think that home prices will decrease by a lot?

#139. Posted by: Courtney Gidts at May 9, 2006 1:20 AM

Wrong chatroom Courtney

Keep up the great work Mac

#140. Posted by: 4 8 15 16 23 42 at May 18, 2006 5:43 AM

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