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Key Points from "S.O.S."

Season 2, Episode 19
Episode Air Date: 04/12/06

Point 1
Rose

Bernard
Let me get this out of the way right up front: I like these character-based episodes. I think they're incredibly important to the overall structure and flow of a series. Without them, we'd be stuck with a bunch of mini-climaxes and, ultimately, the big payoffs we all love wouldn't be so big because we'd be numb to the effects ("24" suffers from this numbing problem: I love the show, but after months of nuclear explosions and bio-weapons and sneering Eurobaddie terrorists with complicated agendas, I simply don't care about the season finale).

Now that I've bored you with my pontificating, let's turn to more interesting topics ...

This episode will hereafter be known as "the one about Rose and Bernard." Up until this point, these two characters have been relegated to the background, popping up whenever sage advice was required (Rose) or whenever someone needed to be dangled from a tree (Bernard). The previous apex of the Rose-Bernard relationship came earlier this season ("Collision") when the Tailies merged with the other survivors and Rose and Bernard shared a heartwarming reunion (seriously, if a tear didn't come to your eye when these two reunited, you definitely need a Restasis prescription).

For most of this season we've been working under the assumption that all is right in the world of Rose and Bernard. After all, they both miraculously survived a horrific plane crash and were later reunited in dramatic fashion -- how could their lives be anything but joy and happiness?

We should know better ...

Like everyone on this friggin' island, Rose and Bernard are not what they appear to be. The seeds of marital discontent become readily apparent at the beginning of this episode. Bernard is twitchy; he sees a bunch of complacent castaways doing laundry and catching fish and forming their own little society, but what he doesn't see is anyone doing a damn thing to get them off the island. He's got a point. After last season's failed raft excursion, the castaways have turned their focus toward hatches and captured Others and crazy French chicks and freaky smoke monsters.

Bernard is particularly amazed that no one -- not one person -- is even remotely curious as to how -- or why -- a big pile of Dharma food recently appeared in the jungle. The food had to come from a plane or a balloon or a blimp, yet none of the castaways have expressed any interest in flagging down one of those planes or balloons or blimps. Bernard -- who at this point is starting to look and sound like Howard Beale -- decides he's mad as hell about all this rescue reticence, and dammit, he's not going to take it anymore.

And so Bernard formulates a plan: He's going to build an enormous S.O.S. sign -- a sign that can be seen by planes and balloons and blimps ... a sign so big, satellites and Cylons will eyeball it.

Of course, Bernie doesn't realize he's building a sign on an island that's hundreds of miles from the nearest flightpaths. But whatever. We'll let Bernie have his project.

But here's the weird part about all this S.O.S. business: Rose is completely, totally, vehemently opposed to her husband's plan. She hates the idea. In fact, she goes out of her way to undermine Bernard's attempts at gathering a workforce. Why would she do such a thing?

CUE BACKSTORY SWOOSH!

Like all good "Lost" backstories, the Rose and Bernard fairy tale is filled with emotional land mines, and one very interesting connection. In this episode's backstory segments we see/learn/experience:

  • Rose and Bernard meet in a cutesy Tom Hanks-Meg Ryan way. It's winter and Rose has gotten her car stuck on a snowy city road (it's unclear which city they're in). Bernard, ever helpful, stops to help. Rose insists she knows how to drive in the snow (despite the evidence), but Bernard insists she needs to rock the car (that's not the only thing he wants to rock!). They bicker like strangers who will soon fall in love and rush off to Niagara Falls and get engaged and ... well, I'm getting ahead of myself. Bernard gets behind the car and pushes and heaves until the car launches out of the slush. As the car springs forward, Bernard loses his footing and falls face-first onto the snowy pavement. Love -- and a massive dry cleaning bill -- are born.

  • Five months later, Rose and Bernard sit in a restaurant overlooking Niagara Falls. Rose is enamored with the scenery but Bernard could care less -- he's busy trying to attract the attention of an unseen person (or persons). Just as Rose is ready to stuff a dinner role in Bernard's inattentive pie hole, two musicians stride up and begin to play a swooning romantic tune. Bernard drops to his knees and asks Rose to marry him. He tells Rose that he's been a bachelor for 56 years (ever hear of Match.com, Bernie?), and he long ago gave up hope of meeting anyone, but then Rose came into his life and BLAM! Heartstrings were pulled. Love was realized. AARP boot-knockin' ensued. All in all, it's a touching moment ... but there's a twist ... there's always a twist ...

    "I'm sick," Rose says gravely.

    Come again?

    Rose, you see, is dying, and now that Bernard is looking to up the emotional ante with an engagement ring, she feels that now is the time to lay the bad news on him. She tells Bernard that her undisclosed illness (cancer?) recently returned and her doctor gives her a year to live -- maybe a little more.

    Bernard is crestfallen. The musicians are crestfallen (we don't see them, but you know that's gotta be a bummer). Rose looks straight into Bernard's eyes and asks "Do you really want to do this?"

    And Bernard, God bless him, whips out the perfect response.

    "You didn't answer my question," he says.

    Rose, realizing she's got a keeper on her hands, immediately accepts Bernard's marriage proposal.

  • The backstory cuts to Rose and Bernard's Australian honeymoon. The lovebirds rent a four-wheel-drive vehicle and travel deep into the Outback. At first, Rose thinks Bernard is weaving indiscriminately through brush and rocks and kangaroos, but Bernard soon pulls into a ramshackle town and announces their arrival.

    Ahhh, this is no mere Honeymoon side-trip. Bernard has gone out of his way to arrange an appointment with a world-renowned faith healer named Isaac of Uluru (I'm not making this up; Isaac has his own brochure and everything).

    If you think about it, it's the ultimate honeymoon gift: "Rose, I've given you ... life!" But Rose isn't impressed (maybe she wanted a Lexus). She's downright pissed that Bernard would drag her to the Outback so a loon can sell her crystals and herbs and Eternal Life Immortality Devices. Bernard pleads with her to keep the appointment with Isaac and, since she's got nothing else to do and nowhere else to go, she agrees.

  • Rose walks into Isaac's office and sees that the walls are lined with discarded crutches and walkers (Isaac makes a killing reselling that stuff on eBay). A bulletin board is overflowing with thank you notes and pictures from Isaac's previous patients. If you look carefully, you can see the outline of six structures all pointing toward a center question mark ... (joke!).

    Isaac walks in. He looks like the Australian Patrick Stewart, which I have to admit wasn't what I was expecting (me = cultural idiot). Isaac takes a seat and tells Rose that certain places on Earth emit different types of energy. His job is to "harvest" that energy and try to give it to his patients. With that, Isaac closes his eyes and moves his hands close to Rose's temples. He doesn't touch her, but his face twitches a bit and you can tell he's trying really hard.

    But it's for naught. Isaac's eyes snap open and he retracts his hands. His face turns dour. "I'm sorry," Isaac says. "I can't do anything for you, Rose. It's not that you can't be healed. Like I said, there's different energies. This is not the right place for you."

    "Where is the right place?" Rose asks softly.

    "I wish I knew," Isaac says.

    Poor Rose ... if only she could find a tropical island that emits healing electromagnetic waves ...

  • Rose decides to lie to Bernard. She tells him that Isaac's voodoo worked and now she's super healthy. She does this so Bernard will stop wasting their precious and ever-dwindling time dragging her to faith healers on far-off continents.
Back in the present day, Bernard's S.O.S. sign is coming along very, very slowly. At first, Bernard is able to round up 15 helpers, but as the day progresses and Bernard's hard-line management techniques rub castaways the wrong way, the numbers dwindle to four (15 ... 4 ... hmm).

As Bernard's plan falls to pieces, Rose wanders along the shoreline and sees Locke sitting in her favorite seaside contemplation spot. Locke is in a funk (more on that in a bit) and, in an unguarded moment, he tells Rose that he's "done with the hatch." Rose huffs.

"Oh, you're just frustrated," she says. "You'll be out of that splint [Locke is on crutches] and running around the island again in no time."

"Hmm," Locke grunts. "And yet Jack said it would be at least four weeks."

Rose cocks her head and lifts her brow. "But honey, you and I both know it's not gonna take that long ..."

Rose holds Locke's gaze for a long, long time. Locke's face softens and a spark slowly returns to his eyes. He looks out at the water and straightens his back. At this precise moment, you can actually see the burden lifting from his shoulders.

What the hell just happened? Does Rose know something we don't know? Does she have a previous connection to Locke?

Of course she does!

CUE BACKSTORY SWOOSH!

  • We see Rose and Bernard sitting in the Sydney airport, clutching Oceanic tickets and waiting for Oceanic 815 to start boarding. As the scene unfolds, we hear Rose talking to Bernard in a voiceover that's set in the present day (Confused? Rose is speaking with Bernard on the island while this final backstory segment plays out.)

    Rose tells Bernard she lied about her healing session with Isaac. Despite bearing an uncanny resemblance to Captain Picard, Isaac wasn't able to help her (damn you Borg!). Bernard is flabbergasted. If she wasn't healed, how could she possibly be as healthy as she is?

    "When you're sick, and you've got something inside you that doesn't belong there, you can feel it," Rose explains in the voiceover. "And after the crash I couldn't feel it anymore. At first I thought it was just shock, but it wasn't ... It's this place."

  • Wait a minute, that sounds an awful lot like Locke ...
  • In the backstory scene, Rose fumbles through her purse and drops a bottle of pills on the floor of the airport waiting area. The bottle rolls off and settles into a man's hand. The camera pans up the man's arm ... revealing a wheelchair and ... HOLY CRAP IT'S LOCKE. Locke hands the bottle to Rose and she thanks him.

    And suddenly it becomes clear: Rose is the only person who knows that the island cured Locke's paralysis. She saw him in his wheelchair. All that "honey, you know it's not gonna take that long" business stemmed from Rose's knowledge of Locke's previous condition!

On the island, the final Rose-Bernard scene is a masterful tearjerker. Bernard, presented with Rose's revelation about the island's healing powers, realizes that the place he's so intent on leaving is the one place in the world that can keep his beloved wife alive.

"If you can't leave, neither can I," Bernard says as he tenderly grasps the sides of Rose's face. "We won't ever leave, Rose."

Is it dusty in here? I think I've got something in my eye ...

Point 2
Jack

Kate
For the sake of all involved, I hope Sawyer's Beachside Gun Emporium & Pharmacy has a full supply of birth control. Jack and Kate are gonna need it.

They haven't sealed the deal just yet, but the Jack-Kate relationship train is definitely scheduling a stop in Nooky Town. In this episode, the writers conveniently reignited the duo's smoldering fire of desire by sending the pair on a "mission" into Other territory.

It all begins with Jack (doesn't it always?). He's been pondering Henry Gale's comments from "The Whole Truth" in which Henry described a theoretical scenario involving a prisoner swap between the Others and the Oceanic survivors. Henry's comment was nothing more than a mind-game manuever, but now that Henry's "Otherness" has been revealed, Jack believes it's time to make Henry's swap scenario a reality.

So Jack prepares for a jungle redezvous with the Others at the previously defined "Invisible Line of Violent Demarcation." Before he leaves, Ana hands Jack the pistol she took from Sayid in last week's episode (that Ana ... so sneering, yet so considerate).

Jack has one more pit-stop to make before his adventure begins. He visits the beach and finds Kate sitting with Sawyer (I'm not entirely sure what they're doing -- clamming maybe?). He asks Kate if she'll join him and she is, of course, super eager to gear up and head out. Sawyer is visibly disappointed because:

  1. Jack didn't ask him to go.

  2. Jack didn't need a gun.

  3. Jack still has all his medicine and his fruit.
Jack and Kate tromp into the brush and within five minutes, Kate manages to get them both snared in a rope trap. It's a rookie move: Kate spots a toy doll sitting in the middle of the jungle and like a dumbass she leans in to pick the doll up. Jack runs toward her shouting "trap!," but just as he's about to tackle her (and, presumably, rip her clothes off), Kate lifts the doll and activates the trap. Two seconds later, Jack and Kate are dangling 10 feet off the ground, bound together in a tight rope net.

Jack and Kate's trapped proximity would allow for kissing and maybe second base, but since anything more amorous would lead to deep rope lacerations, the flirters turn their focus to an escape plan. Kate, looking over the ropes, notes that the trap isn't sophisticated enough to be an Other contraption (when did Kate become an expert in Other trapping devices?). She concludes that it must be one of Rousseau's traps. This observation might pique Jack's curiosity under normal circumstances, but his attention is diverted when Kate reaches around and pulls the pistol from Jack's pants (that may be the dirtiest non-dirty sentence I've ever written). Kate takes aim at a nearby support rope, pauses a moment to remind Jack of her expert marksmanship, then fires off a horrible shot that completely misses the target. Jack, still smarting over the golf ass-whuppin' Kate put on him back in "Collision," seizes the opportunity for competitive payback. He takes the pistol and unloads a stunning shot that slices the rope and sends them plummeting to the ground. They take a moment to enjoy their convenient positioning, then extricate themselves from the net.

Sometime later, Jack finally gets around to asking Kate about her rope-trap observation: how did she know it wasn't an Other production? And this is when we discover just how bad Jack and Kate's relationship truly is. Kate tells Jack that a week ago -- A WEEK AGO -- she and Claire discovered a medical hatch. The hatch was cleared out, save for a few lockers full of ratty clothing, theatrical make-up and a fake beard. Jack's expression is priceless -- I haven't seen Matthew Fox's eyes bulge like that since Bailey's intervention on "Party of Five."

"When were you gonna tell me this?" Jack asks.

"When you decided you were gonna let me back in the club," Kate says, twirling a pigtail and slurping an ice cream cone. "You can keep one of them locked up in the hatch for like a week and say nothing, but when I ..."

Thankfully -- no really, THANKFULLY -- the pissing match abruptly ends when Jack and Kate suddenly arrive at the "Invisible Line of Violent Demarcation."

It's been a while since we encountered this "line" thing, so let's pause a moment for some context. Back in "The Hunting Party," Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Locke ran headlong into the Others. During a tense exchange, the bearded Other Commander said to Jack: "Right here [points down] there's a line. You cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to ... something else."

Now, it's entirely possible Jack misinterpreted this comment -- perhaps the bearded Other was being metaphorical, or maybe he was referring to the Mason-Dixon Line, or the Greenwich Mean Time Line, or that funny line you get at the bridge of your nose when you're thinking too hard -- but in Jack's mind, the "Invisible Line of Violent Demarcation" was clearly drawn at a specific point in the jungle. And so now Jack and Kate are standing at that specific point, rain pelting down, waiting for the Others to show up at an invisible line. Right. Good plan.

And of course the Others don't show up. Jack decides that violent screaming is the best solution. "Hey I'm back!" Jack shouts. "We've got your man!" The camera spins around dramtically. "If you want him back you're gonna have to come out here! I'll be right here till you talk to me! And, uh, I brought beer! And the game's on! So c'mon out!"

Cut to: six hours later ...

Night has fallen and Kate and Jack are sitting in front of a fire, still waiting for the Others to show themselves. Kate asks Jack how long he's going to maintain his post at the invisible line and Jack, ever the Alpha Male, says he's waiting for his voice to come back so he can start screaming again (that's not a joke, he actually says this).

Kate decides to change the subject. "I'm sorry I kissed you," Kate says, referring to that completely random lip-lock back in "What Kate Did."

Jack looks at her. "I'm not," he says.

Kate looks up. Jack leans in ...

FOOTSTEPS! FOOTSTEPS IN THE WOODS!

The make-out session is thwarted by a quickly approaching figure who's huffing and puffing and carrying a torch. Jack draws his pistol. The figure darts through the brush, then collapses to the ground, wheezing and whimpering. Kate and Jack rush up and turn the person over ... the light from the fire carves across the visitor's face ...

IT'S MICHAEL! And he looks like ass!

And that's when it ends ...

Point 3
Locke

Ana-Lucia

Henry Gale

Locke has been mired in a deep funk for the last five or six episodes. His daily to-do list is tedious and soul-sucking: wake up, press the button, argue with Jack, press the button, get stuck under a two-ton blast door with a mysterious map scrawled on it, press the button, get brain-molested by the conniving Henry Gale, press the button ...

You get the idea.

As this episode opens, Locke is trying to re-draw the mysterious map he briefly saw in "Lockdown." It's a frustrating exercise; he can't remember if the lower-right quadrant is where the polar bear experiments take place or if that's where the Dharma Intranet is housed ... it's all very confusing.

With his frustration bubbling over, Locke asks Ana-Lucia (who's sitting nearby, repairing an ... engine?) to let him into the armory so he can speak with Henry Gale. Ana rejects the request; Jack has the gun and they can't risk an unarmed Gale encounter (at what point did Locke start asking Ana for permission to do anything?). Locke is ripshit, but there's little he can do. He lurches toward the armory on his crutches and calls out to Henry. There's no response. Locke bangs on the door. "Henry!" No answer.

And this is when we see how evil Henry Gale really is (not just evil, but "eeevill, like the fru-its of the deviiil").

"Henry, did you enter the numbers?" Locke asks/shouts/pleads. "Did you push the button or not?! Henry! [BANG BANG] I need to know! I want you to answer me!"

The scene shifts inside the armory. The camera slowly pans up. Henry is sitting in the far corner of the room, his hands and feet bound with thick ropes. He hasn't eaten or spoken in more than two days (we learn this earlier in the episode). The shot moves up ... and up ... the music grows sinister ... Locke pounds on the door ... and then, ever so slowly, a small smile etches across Henry's nasty Other face! He's just so pleased with himself.

This is Locke's nadir. For the first time in days, he leaves the hatch and retreats to the beach ... and that's when he has his soul-lifting conversation with Rose (see above). You see, the smirking Henry Gale didn't count on Rose. Oh no. He thought he could push Locke and push him and push him until Locke snapped and bludgeoned everyone with his crutches. But Locke, at just the right moment, ran into Rose and Rose gave Locke something he's been missing for weeks: hope.

And just like that, Locke's entire mindset changes. He returns to the hatch calm and emotionally renewed.

"I pushed your button," Ana says as Locke enters the computer room.

"It's not my button," Locke says happily.

This is a complete departure. Three weeks ago Locke referred to the entire structure as "my hatch," but now he's severing ties with both the button and the hatch. What's next? "It's not my monster?" "It's not my kidney-stealing daddy?" "It's not my tragic backstory?"

Locke takes a seat at the computer. He's got his Obi-Wan mojo working again. You know the look: chin up, eyes gleaming, self-confidence oozing from every pore. He grabs a pen and starts drawing the hidden map. His memory kicks in -- lines and boxes snap into place -- and Locke smiles.

It's nice to have you back, John.

Point 4
Island I'll close with a few island observations:
  • Charlie confirms that he and Eko are building a church.

  • Bernard claims they've been on the island for two months, but I think he might be a little off. If we assume that the Tailies merged with the other tribe about two weeks ago, then the total time is around 62 days ("The Other 48 Days" + 14). I think that's right, but I'm notoriously bad at math so feel free to correct my feeble attempt at addition.

  • Dharma loves its food puns. In this episode, Rose is shown holding a box of "Dharmalars."

  • Add another name to the list of unseen extra castaways: Neil "The Frogurt Guy." Bernard mentions him at one point and I couldn't help but feel bad for the guy. Here he is, marooned on a wacky island with deeply flawed people and, to make matters worse, he's been assigned a horrendous nickname that's based on his previous life as a "frozen yogurt guy." If I were him, I'd let the monster eat me.

  • We had a Claire sighting and a Vincent sighting this week. Can backwards-talking Walt be far behind?

  • And finally, the best line in the episode came when Eko rebuffed Bernard's request to help build the S.O.S. sign. "I think I liked you better when you just hit people with your stick," Bernard says.
That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.
Next Episode:
"Two for the Road" -- Michael returns with super-secret Other information. Airs: Wednesday, May 3, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on April 13, 2006 6:25 AM |




Love the review. Kate and Jack BELONG together!

#1. Posted by: ELLIE at April 13, 2006 6:41 AM

Well done, as usual...now who is on the list of people that the island has 'healed'?

We for sure can name Locke and Rose. Jin is a high probability for getting his baby-making on finally...

I guess it's possible that the answer to this question lies in what your definition of 'healed' is...because people like Eko and Charlie, like Eko said, seem to have been saved in a different way.

Thanks for the recap, and for having it up so early!

#2. Posted by: Adam at April 13, 2006 7:29 AM

I think your math is right. But, last time I checked, most months are 30 or 31 days, so 62 days is just a shade over two months . . . meaning Bernard is right on.

Is it just me, or did it seem like Vincent the dog looked different--more like a large puppy than a full grown dog?

Thanks for the review; do you stay up all night on Wednesday nights to write it?

#3. Posted by: Jack at April 13, 2006 7:33 AM

thanks for the recap,wasnt expecting it up so early, late for everything now but who cares its great being a lost fanatic!!

#4. Posted by: liam at April 13, 2006 7:54 AM

Mac,

Great review. I'll tell ya, the best part of my week (aside from a new LOST ep.) is to read your recaps. Hilarious ! ! ! And both you and Bernie are right, 64 days = 2 months (a month averages 30 - 31 days). Anywho - Love the recaps - keep em coming. As for Island theories how's this one: The others were originally terminally ill test subjects brought to the island to test the healing properties, then at some point there was a disaster or incident that gave them the advantage over their captors (they might not have been willing test subjects). They then take over the island, continue their own sick little version of "It takes a village to raise a child" and know that they can never leave. They find all these cool gadgets, and gizmos and are happy to live out their lives alone on the island. That is until a plane crash brings a new group into the mix and the Others realize that their island paradise is threatened. Seems a little out there, but there it is. Looking forward to your next recap. Great job as always MAC ! ! !

#5. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 8:03 AM

thanks for the recap, mac, you crack me up!

#6. Posted by: JT at April 13, 2006 8:06 AM

Did the attempted "SOS" end up looking like a "frowny face?"

#7. Posted by: hooked at April 13, 2006 8:12 AM

Do you think they wanted Claire's baby for stem cell research? This episode leads me to believe that the Others want/need the children for some sort of "healing property." Is this what makes them "good?" My theories change daily- I'll never figure this show out.

#8. Posted by: hooked at April 13, 2006 8:16 AM

Mac,

A little more one my theory - The leader of the "Others" may be either one of the subjects or one of the original scientists gone mad, he develops a messiah complex and believes that he is responsible for curing these people. Part of his psychosis is that only "good" people are healed and "bad" people are not. This goes back to the whole "he wasn't a good person" comment by Goodwin and the "I'm not a bad person" comment by Henry. The children are taken because all children are inherently good (innocent). He sends people from his group to infiltrate the survivors and determine who is "good" and worth saving, and who is "bad". Whew, I'm tired. Like I said it's just a theory. Anyone want to comment?

#9. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 8:18 AM

Also the reason some people are healed and others die regardless of the islands healing properties is that it's "not the right place" for them, as Isaac had mentioned to Rose about his place not being the right place for her to be healed.

#10. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 8:20 AM

I agree with the poster earlier. It's obvious now that the reason for the pregnancy on the island is because of the strange powers coming from the island that also healed Rose & Locke. Also I noticed that the healer back in Australia said that certain places have "forces" or "powers". The word "Magnetic" or "magneticism" have been used alot lately. Any ideas anybody??

#11. Posted by: Scott at April 13, 2006 8:45 AM

Mac, a few notes:

It’s “hereafter”, not “heretofore”. Trust a lawyer on this word useage. ;-)

I like how they addressed the idea of people having become seemingly indifferent to the idea of rescue and return home. I’ve said before that the ultimate effect of the island experience on every single one of our characters has been to focus them inward. This is the first time that I’ve detected the “Lost” creative team pushing that idea so overtly, and it wasn’t just Bernard/Rose who we saw being so inner-directed in this episode, either. The whole point of the closing musical montage, it seemed to me, was to reinforce the theme that *everyone* has an agenda with something other than ‘rescue’ at the top of it.

The term for Bernard/Rose’s snowy encounter is ‘meet-cute’. A rare slip into hackneyed convention for the “Lost” writers.

The Rose/Locke moment was awesome. Putting her knowledge of his miraculous recovery between the lines instead of in the form of stilted exposition is the kind of respect for the audience that keeps me coming back. OTOH . . .

The moment of reconciliation between Rose and Bernard didn’t work. She went from revealing a massive lie about, literally, life and death, to asking him to have faith in her intuition and honesty in the space of about a minute—and Bernard acquiesced without a thought or a doubt. That didn’t work at all.

#12. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 13, 2006 8:55 AM

hey, great review as always,
just a thought but isnt this the second time some kind of faith healer has flipped out on one of the losties, didnt this happen when claire went to some dude about her baby?! just a thought x

#13. Posted by: eye of sauron at April 13, 2006 9:00 AM

Mac, you're messing with my Thursday schedule!! The review is supposed to be posted at around 11AM, at which point I grab my lunch and close my office door to shut out the rest of the world! LOL

#14. Posted by: KG at April 13, 2006 9:02 AM

The snowy city was Minnesota. Rose = Rose Gale.

#15. Posted by: Matt at April 13, 2006 9:03 AM

Hi Sauron, The guy that messed with Claire was a psychic, not a faith healer.

#16. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 9:03 AM

Minnesota=Minneapolis. Ha.

#17. Posted by: Matt at April 13, 2006 9:03 AM

Hmm... is it just me or is this show losing its way? I think this was another weak episode, and there have been quite a few recently. Who really cares about Rose and Bernard? Big deal - we already knew that the island had healing powers.
Mac, I think your reviews are excellent, but aren't we all deep down feeling a bit disappointed by series 2?

#18. Posted by: Bubbles at April 13, 2006 9:21 AM

Great job Mac.
I was comepletely depressed that this was a horrible episode, but after reading your review, it make me think that it wasn't so bad after all.

Yes, good to have Locke back to his old Guru looking self.
The preview showed Micheal saying that the Others are barely armed, and that the Losties could take them.
Now, why would the Others be barely armed if they, at one time at least, had a hatch full of guns?
Maybe that was their only stash, and now that the Losties have them, they are scared?
Time will tell I guess.

#19. Posted by: Zeppo at April 13, 2006 9:22 AM

Anyone notice the license plate on Rose's car? I think it was Minnesota.

#20. Posted by: Keith at April 13, 2006 9:26 AM

Lovely review, thank you. :) I love your humor.

One thing, you misspelled "sophisticated". I think you just omitted a 't'.

Thanks again, and keep it up, please !

#21. Posted by: lost_me at April 13, 2006 9:28 AM

Sorry Keith, that License Plate for Rose was from was New York. I checked lost-media for the screen caps.

#22. Posted by: Shannon at April 13, 2006 9:43 AM

I think Rose is the person writing the "diary" that's on ABC-TV's Lost website. And that the "real" Henry Gale (the one Sayid found buried) is her brother. I agree with Matt. Her name was Rose Gale before she married Bernard.

On another note, does anyone else think that John Locke might have been going to Australia to meet that same faith healer? I remember from long ago that he said was going there for a "walkabout," but maybe he was going to meet Isaac of Uluru. He ranted at the travel agent that it was "his destiny."

LOVED the part about the Frogurt guy, and also Bernard's line to Eko about the stick. Also, I lol when Kate and Jack get scooped up the in net, and you hear Kate say, "Sorry." Hilarious!

And where did that baby doll come from? (I know, Danielle, but was it Alex's doll, or did Danielle find it somewhere else? Like from other children on the island? I immediately thought it might have come from Emma (the girl from the Tailies).)

When Michael came running out of the jungle, my husband and I both thought it was Desmond. Darn it! It's only Michael.

#23. Posted by: ASoisson at April 13, 2006 9:45 AM

LOVE your reference to "So I Married an Axe Murderer"..."Harriet, sweet Harriet..." but I digress...

Oh my god, what an episode....thank goodness my old Locke is back....my hopes for him were fading fast, but that scene with him and Rose was classic...

I believe someone called me racist two weeks ago when I innocently suggested that Rose might be related to the real henry Gale and last night, lo and behold, they just both happen to be from Minnesota....interesting....

Ok, some things I have to add:

-Sawyer was getting oysters with Kate (he fed one to Vincent at the end of the episode...). I think it is rather clever on the writers behalf that they should be lookin for oysters together but she wind up cheek to cheek with Jack in this episode...
-If Vincent looked younger, maybe if we see Walt again that will somehow connect to the fact that he is much older now?
-I noticed that in the scene with Jack yelling there were mulitple black rocks in the background...big ones. Maybe this has something to do with Rousseau's black rock?
-Is the psyhcic and the faith healer the same person? Anyone got pictures to compare?
-D19FFT731 is the code on all Dharma food
-I found Mr. Fake-HG's "They'll never give you Walt" line not only VERY sinister, but also another clue to the fact that he does indeed know Walt and all the Others...

#24. Posted by: Vikki at April 13, 2006 9:58 AM

Ok, so they are not both from Minnesota....maybe they are still connected though...

-Another black/white connection as opposing forces...Literally Rose and Bernard....one has hope, one talks about false hope...it made sense in the end, but, nevertheless, I noticed this theme throughout the episode...Also, the shot of Locke walking to the door to talk to Fake HG showed his black shoe and his white sock....ok, that's a little nit-picky, I know...

-I liked Hurley's "Dude, we're gonna need a lot more rocks" line....Reminded me of all you posters that write "We're gonna need a bigger boat"...

-I am hoping someone might be able to procure a picture and maybe make it more focused of the wall in the healer's office (is it an office?) because I am wondering if we will recognize any of the people he has healed...Jin, anyone?

#25. Posted by: Vikki at April 13, 2006 10:04 AM

The psychic Claire visited and Isaac of Uluru are not the same person.

#26. Posted by: ASoisson at April 13, 2006 10:04 AM

Oh, and I think we already know that the fake Henry DOES know the Others and Walt. That seemed clear to me.

I liked in the episode how John knocks on the door to talk to "Henry," and he pauses at first because he's not sure what name to call him. You can tell he's thinking, "His name is not really Henry, but what else can I call him?" Shows what a good actor he is.

And I love that the "old" Locke has resurfaced. My husband and I both commented on how he was losing his mojo the last few weeks, but now he's "back."

#27. Posted by: Amanda at April 13, 2006 10:10 AM

ASoisson, I'll have to watch the ep again to confirm this, but I'm 99.99% sure that there was a picture of Locke on the wall of the healer's office along with the pictures of the rest of his patients. So yes, I think Locke went to this healer (and obviously was not immediately healed until arriving on the island, much like Rose).

#28. Posted by: KG at April 13, 2006 10:13 AM

Regarding scenes for the next new episode: Michael comes back, says the Others aren't armed and that our Losties could "take them". Does anyone else think that this is totally odd and seemingly unlikely? What are the chances that Mike was able to somehow spy on the others and get this info on them without getting caught? I'm betting it's another story- Michael was caught and brainwashed by the others. He's been instructed to bring the losties to the Others, the losties being under the impression that they will go there to 'take them', but the Others will be prepared and take the "good" losties and kill or dispense of the rest.
I just don't see, after all this, the Others being so vulnerable. And didn't Mr. Friendly say, specifically, that Michael wouldn't find them (during the Hunting Party)? I think Michael is now going to be a pawn of the others, a Henry, but one with a familiar face so the losties are less likely to torture him.
Any thoughts? Am I way off base, or does this seem possible?

#29. Posted by: Sarah at April 13, 2006 10:23 AM

How is it that Jack suddenly is such an expert marksman that he can hit a small rope with one shot while swinging in a net ? Not to mention identifying hidden traps such as the one that he and Kate ultimately got snared in. Skills we haven't seen before. I don't think they teach those sorts of things in medical school. Perhaps these's more to Jack than meets the eye, too.

#30. Posted by: maries at April 13, 2006 10:23 AM

MAC- Thanks for having the review up so soon...I was very pleasantly surprised! And it was mega-entertaining as ususal...loved the ebay line!! You hit the nail on the head with the 24 comparison. I thought it was a violin duo, not trio- but oh well, a minor point.

My favorite line was Charlie's response to Bernard's Eko line. Charlie said to Eko, "I like you just the way you are." The way he said it was just perfect.

I loved the part where Sawyer asks Jack where he got the gun...Sawyer was genuinely pissed and confused and I think it really was a setup for the confrontation in the next episode we saw previews for.

I totally disagree that Lost has lost it's way. I really enjoyed the episode and as Mac said, we need episodes like this to help lead up to more climactic ones. It was full of lots of subtle humor and answered a ton of questions head on that we've been wondering for a while:

- Why haven't Kate/Claire told anyone about the medical hatch? (Waiting to be 'invited back into the club'.)
- Where is Michael? (He shows up!)
- Why isn't anyone actively doing anything to get off the island? (Thanks Bernard!)
- Why isn't anyone else using the hatch? (Bernard clearly said to the 'unimportant' Lost characters something like "...you're using the hatch to take showers...")
- What are Eko & Charlie building? (A church!)

Bernard doesn't have the greatest teeth for being a dentist. Just an observation.

#31. Posted by: JoePike at April 13, 2006 10:30 AM

I like how Rose said to Locke about it not taking 4 weeks to recover from Locke's injury despite what Jack said.

I like it, because it puts "healing" into perspective with many from the island. Including Sawyer -- maybe the island is the reason why he healed so quickly from his gun shot wound?

#32. Posted by: schiano at April 13, 2006 10:33 AM

Island Theory: Ok so i have been putting together what we learn each episode and i have this; the Others were the 'sick' people that were brought to the island to be experimented on. The island 'cured' them and they began to overrule the dharma employees on the island. They now continue to live on the islnad unknown to the dhrama in the 'real world'.

Does any of that make sense??

#33. Posted by: Vicki at April 13, 2006 10:44 AM

How about the preview where Michael comes back with intel on the Others. Do you think he's setting up the Losties possibly b/c the Others have promised to give him Walt, or let him live with them and Walt, if he delivers the Losties to the Others?

#34. Posted by: CA66 at April 13, 2006 10:45 AM

That's funny about the faith healer looking like Patrick Stewart! We thought the same thing when we first saw him. I was like "It's Captain Picard!" Anybody else think the black rocks have something to do with the healing power of the island. Benard and company were using them, the ship is named the Black Rock, and when Jack and Kate were at the "line in the jungle" you could see a rather large black rock behind them. Just coincidence? I don't think so.

#35. Posted by: john at April 13, 2006 10:46 AM

I aggree Vicki, See my post near the beginning. I think we're on the same wavelength.

#36. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 10:47 AM

Mr. Grimm and Vicky I think your comments fall in line with a point I was trying to make last week which was that it seems odd that the Dharma folks would still be dropping food at the hatch - Unless they don't know it has been taken over by the Losties. I thinmk the Others are trying to keep this fact a secret from the Dharma "management."

#37. Posted by: john at April 13, 2006 11:02 AM

I think the reason there are black rocks everywhere is because IT'S A VOLCANIC ISLAND.

I don't think Michael has been brainwashed or is a spy. He doesn't need to "deliver the Losties to the Others." The Others know where the Losties are, know how to get to them, and clearly can get to them whenever they want (witness all the kidnappings). I think Michael found their hideout, and genuinely thinks he can get Walt back. Perhpas the Others are feeling "safe," because they told the Losties to stay on their side of the island and they seem to be obeying.

#38. Posted by: Amanda at April 13, 2006 11:06 AM

We enjoyed the episode. The "Henry" scene at the end creeped me out. And I'm very curious to hear what Michael has to say.

#39. Posted by: Chris Meisenzahl at April 13, 2006 11:09 AM

Re: Jack's marksmanship.

I think we're being set up to discover Jack was in the armed forces. His character arc is all about leadership issues. The other little clues scattered around--his marksmanship, the tattoos, the poker, the not-really answered question of how he became so deeply alienated from his patrician parents. My bet is that the big alienation issue between Jack and Dad (before he ratted him out for an OR DUI) was Jack's decision to join the armed forces.

Which service? His Far East tattoo and affinity for poker suggest a Navy man, or a Marine. Poker is definately a Navy/Marine thing. But what we can be certain of is this: if I'm right, at some point, Jack served with Kate's dad.

#40. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 13, 2006 11:16 AM

Hooked, I think you're on to something. This whole thing about being a good person might not be in a typical "good/evil" sense. Maybe a good person is someone who is a good specimen. Someone who is either easy to manipulate or someone who has strong mental and physical potential. The others want good people to harness the island's energy like the faith healer could harness energy. Most of the losties have some kind of mental or physical weakness. That's why they are not good people. Just a thought.

I don't think Michael is a spy, but I do believe that the others let him "think" he saw something that he didn't. I don't believe he could get so close to see everything and not get caught.

#41. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 11:18 AM

isnt it "demarcation?"

#42. Posted by: jraw at April 13, 2006 11:22 AM

All of a sudden everyone's an english major. Mac, just do you (lol).

#43. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 11:34 AM

Nowone mentioned the preniews for next episode when HG pins Anna L.up on the wall.

#44. Posted by: Cam at April 13, 2006 11:36 AM

I think that Jack was in the CIA/ONI and not a regular type line officer. Hence the connection to Syaeed/etc.

#45. Posted by: lostatwork at April 13, 2006 11:40 AM

Cam,

That scene just makes me think even more that HG is "him". He's just too crafty to be a simple foot soldier. The losties got the drop on Ethan and Goodwin pretty easily, but HG has been one tough nut to crack. It seems like he knew about A-L's past too. If he's not him, he's defininately not a scout.

#46. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 11:47 AM

yeah, when henry says "you're the killer on this island" to Anna L

very interesting

#47. Posted by: Scott at April 13, 2006 11:48 AM

I kind of disagree. I still thing Faux Henry is just an Other 'foot soldier', who happens to be a really good liar/coniver. He definitely has an agenda, and a mission for being there. But I think he is expendible as far as the Others are concerned. 'He' (The Other Big Cheese) wouldn't put himself directly in danger. Some of the Lostaways can be pretty unstable afterall.

I think FH will be killed by whoever rescues AL when she's being choked.

#48. Posted by: JoePike at April 13, 2006 11:52 AM

Black Rock thoughts generated from a Bible Study:

"Torment" is the Greek "basanos". It is a word the meaning of which seems to have developed, or evolved, over time: (a) first of all, it was the BLACK ROCK an assayer would use to test whether gold or silver coins were real or forgeries (he did this by rubbing the coin against the stone, and then checking the color); (b) second, by implication, it came to mean checking any calculation in a financial transaction; and from thence to (c) any type of testing; and finally (d) testing by means of torture. With basanos and related words the general concept would seem to be that of judgment, with perhaps the accompaniment of pain.

#49. Posted by: Don Schneider at April 13, 2006 11:58 AM

I think the theme of this week's ep was not that the island has healing powers, but the fact that alot of Losties, if not everyone on the island has a reason for wanting to stay there. They are better off since they got to the island, not only the "healed" ones (Locke, Rose) but also Kate's not on the run anymore, Hurleys got a girlfriend, Jin and Sun are happy with a baby coming and away from her father, Eko found his calling, Claire has her baby, etc etc...
Another theory that came to me when Isaac was telling Rose about special places that have healing powers, I thought of ley lines, which are lines that connect places of power on the earth and are said to have electro-magnetic forces. Any ideas?

Mac, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time, thank you so much for your reviews!! You know, a great sense of humor in a man is important to many women...if you're not taken already, you are going to make someone very lucky someday!

#50. Posted by: Christina at April 13, 2006 11:59 AM

Rose and Bernard were in Minnesota when they met - Rose's car had a Minnesota license plate on it. It would make sense if she was Henry Gale's previous wife.

#51. Posted by: Jodi at April 13, 2006 12:08 PM

I'm also starting to wonder if the ultimate point of the series is that EVERYONE at the end will have the opportunity to leave through some sort of rescue, but ultimately no one will choose to. It's true that it does seem that everyone (aside from Michael and Walt) are finding themselves better off now in a lot of ways. If you think about it, it doesn't sound too bad - especially since most of these people had some really bad issues in their lives at home before the crash. Hmm - Live on the beach, don't have to work, have food brought to you, have the ability to shower, medicine, a doctor. Hey, know of any more flights Oceanic might be willing to book? LOL

#52. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2006 12:15 PM

Jodi, it was clearly a New York plate on both HER and BERNARD's car - besides, we already know Rose is from the Bronx.

#53. Posted by: Shannon at April 13, 2006 12:15 PM

Mac, thanks a lot for bringing in the Cylons and the damn Borg :)

A couple of observations:
- maybe I was wrong and Faux Henry is indeed HIM, a.k.a. the devil. Why did he never reveal his REAL name after being exposed as an Other?
- Somehow I think Michael WAS the exchange. Instead of Walt the Others gave them Michael back. (btw, the Others left their hobo clothes and Zeke's fake beard in the other hatch, so they couldn't show up in person at the "line" this time...)
- There was so much harmony in this episode. I thing it's the silence before the storm, which will leed to the cliffhanger at the end of this season...
- The island seems to heal some people, but some people also get sick! Until now, noone of the plane crash survivors got sick (I suppose because they were "selected"...)... do only good people get sick? Is the medicine/injection only for good people?
- Bernard seems to be some kind of different and perhaps he doesn't belong on this island (is he a "good" person?). Could this mean he will die soon? I don't believe he and Rose will happily live together on this island "forever"... say goodbye, Bernard...

In order to say something positive about ABC -- I think it's a good thing to make Lost available for download on the Internet!

#54. Posted by: Margot at April 13, 2006 12:22 PM

I think you're onto something with the whole "inmates taking over the prison" theory.

We can suppose that the Others were either voluntary or involuntary lab rats in Dharmas experiments. It seems that these Others cannot leave the island, at least for any length of time, for the same reason that Rose cannot, they will lose the islands healing powers.

But they feel the need to kidnap the young Losties, perhaps becuase they've most likely not contracted any disabilities or diseases in their short lives that would demand healing, in turn children are not captive to the island. And the Others feel that the key to ever leaving the island lies in studying the children (or forcing Dharma employees to study for them!)

A comment relating to Henry Gale's statement that, "God can't see this place any better than anyone else". Perhaps the island has gained some sort of invisible properties through electromagnetism or what have you. Perhaps the Others themselves can't even find it, thats why they light the fire on the beach to find their way back after leaving the island for a cruise.

Or, God can't see the island in the sense that no one ever ages in the proper "human" way. The linear birth -> death scenario that we understand as "God's plan" is not followed.

Just a couple thoughts.

#55. Posted by: Paul at April 13, 2006 12:24 PM

it is available for VIEWING, not download!

#56. Posted by: DonnaD at April 13, 2006 12:26 PM

I'm putting my money on Rousseau killing Henry as he runs out of the hatch. It seems that everyone is watching the Losties!

#57. Posted by: Piecesof Arzt at April 13, 2006 12:41 PM

Mac, as always - great review.

Jodi - Rose's car had a New York license plate. I'm certain of it.

The writers did answer a lot of questions for us: healing power of the island; the hatch that Kate found; why isn't anybody trying to get rescued?

I agree with Deep Cover. I think there's a lot to Jack's backstory that we don't know, and that it will be tied in to an military/intelligence type of situation.

The moment between Rose & Locke on the beach was one of my all-time favorites so far. Great writing, great acting.

Faux Henry Gale just might be the best character on the show - I really hope they don't kill him off.

#58. Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2006 12:41 PM

On the ultra-violet map we read, "the cure is worse than the sickness". The sickness being whatever ail's you, the cure being never leaving the island.

#59. Posted by: Paul at April 13, 2006 12:43 PM

Mike: I totally agree about the faux HG. He is one of the best characters right now, and he needs to stay for a while. The actor who plays him is amazing.

And I want more of Eko!

Speaking of Eko, it's interesting how Charlie has this weird good/bad thing going on right now. He helped Sawyer steal the guns, yet he's helping to build a church?! Strange.

And speaking of Sawyer, I like how they addressed the question of why Jack has a gun. Sawyer truly looked shocked. But why didn't Jack question that AL had a gun?! Do you think Sawyer is going to bring a s***storm down on Charlie for giving up a gun?

#60. Posted by: Amanda at April 13, 2006 12:46 PM

ok another thing too tie in with the losties being linked..... how about if jacks military experience, came with working with kates step dad or dad, whichever it was, cant really remember who we saw at the recruiting office?! just bit o a thought

#61. Posted by: eye of sauron at April 13, 2006 12:48 PM

Paul - great comment on the whole "cure is worse than the disease". I agree and it makes sense, what good is a cure if you can never leave the island.

#62. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 12:50 PM

please, please do not confuse camera angles and special effects with 'good acting' !

#63. Posted by: DonnaD at April 13, 2006 12:53 PM

Paul - stroke of brilliance! Nicely done!

#64. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2006 12:58 PM

Hey guys -- Thanks for the copy editing! (I'm serious). My whole schedule got thrown off last night and I just couldn't sleep, so I opted to edit and post the review at a VERY VERY early hour. Hence the typos (or so I like to believe -- maybe I just do shoddy work).

One thing, though: It's "Invisible Line of Violent Dharmacation." That's where the Others get together and stage Dharmalars wars.

heh heh -- Mac

#65. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 1:02 PM

I'm sold on the whole "healing" capability of the island, to a certain extent. Rose, Locke, Jin, possibly Charlie.

But what about Boone & Shannon? Didn't exactly work out for them!

There's got to be something more to it.

Somebody else mentioned it above - but I too was hoping that it wasn't Michael but Desmond running out of the woods at the end of the episode.

Bring Desmond back - that's one hell of a character, too.

#66. Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2006 1:14 PM

Random gripe (that my husband is sick of hearing from me every time we watch Lost):

WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I ask is Ana Lucia going to change out of that stupid black tank top and blue jeans? She's been wearing them now for 2 months! (And Eko needs a new shirt, too.) Everyone else manages to change clothes. What is up with that?!

#67. Posted by: Amanda at April 13, 2006 1:16 PM

FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE. THE FAITH HEALER WAS WAYNE PYGRAM. HE PLAYED SCORPIUS ON FARSCAPE

#68. Posted by: MATHEW SHANEN at April 13, 2006 1:21 PM

just because rose is from new york and henry is from minnesota doesn't mean they can't be related... just a thought.

#69. Posted by: Erin at April 13, 2006 1:22 PM

Amanda, yes there are black rocks everywhere because it is a volcanic island. However I think Vikki is probably on to something. There is one scene in particular where Jack is offset from the center of the shot and over his left shoulder is a large black rock. This cannot be a coincidence.

#70. Posted by: caj at April 13, 2006 1:26 PM

Am I the only one who noticed that Isaac was played, not by Patrick Stewart, but by Wayne Pygram (aka Scorpy from "Farscape"?) Hmmm....Delenn has competition.

#71. Posted by: Nimdok at April 13, 2006 1:31 PM

Sometimes, a black rock is just a black rock.

#72. Posted by: Amanda at April 13, 2006 1:34 PM

one could expect a limited wardrobe on a 'deserted island', therefore, repeated attire fits with the theme OR they are not comfortable wearing someone else's clothes OR they simply like the grunge look!

#73. Posted by: DonnaD at April 13, 2006 1:41 PM

A few thoughts...

1) Jin = healed. We don't *know* that his fertility issues have been resolved, given the look on Sun's face during their embrace, it seems like her back story might yet reveal a tryst with her english teacher... although their backstory has been featured very heavily already, so maybe not.

2) Rose - real HG connection. I dig it. I could see it happening, maybe the real HG is her son or younger brother?

3) Michael - I tend to think he's coming back to lure the Losties into some sort of trap, thinking he will get Walt in exchange... The Others said Michael would never find them, so it's hard to imagine he's clandestinely learned anything.

4) Random tangent, but the whole "vaccination" of Claire's baby in the medical hatch... they couldn't possibly be vaccinating a baby in utero, as the adaptive immune system hasn't matured. They could be "treating" an infection or something, but not vaccinating.

5) D19FFT731 - the code on all the food, definitely worth consideration in terms of it's significance.

6) The Others & Children, Good vs. Bad people, etc. I still think this all ties into BF Skinner, the psychologist inspiration to Dharma's founders... Skinner had a "it takes a village" sort of approach to child rearing and a lot of ideas about teaching, positive/negative reinforcement, etc. I don't know enough about Skinner or any of the "Walden II" collectives that his followers founded to speak to their ideas about good & bad people, but it probably ties in...

7) Final points - I don't think the plane actually crashed on the island, hence the total absence of crew members from the Lostaways, and the "eating" of one Co-pilot by an unseen monster. Possibly just removed in dramatic fashion back to Other-ville... would be interesting to see him pop back up later.

8) Final final points - I think Charlie is on a road to salvaging his image and returning to his church going roots via helping Ecko build his church... Locke has his groove back. Interesting things are afoot.

That's all for now,
BH

#74. Posted by: Biohazard at April 13, 2006 1:50 PM

I expect to see faux HG's smug mug shot on tee shirts around the nation. What a classic, he should win an award for that, perhaps a weekend in Hawaii (ha ha)

#75. Posted by: Butch at April 13, 2006 1:52 PM

Recaps are awesome, I got everyone in my office reading them. First, this episode was great, ya can't have every episode hvaing huge revelations, it just goes to show why this series is so great, its character driven as well as action/mystery driven. Second, Jack tells fake HG they are going to get Walt back, then HG says you'll never get Walt back, did he know about Walt, or only say the name after Jack did. Third, in the preview, doesn't HG tell AL that "your NOT they only killer here", crazyness. Last, the problem with all the theories is, they don't connect in anyway, how does a failed experierment healing people connect with a huge monster, or a polar bear, or the numbers???

#76. Posted by: AJ at April 13, 2006 1:52 PM

Yes, Charlie will salvage his image...until Sawyer reveals to the group that Charlie was the one behind Sun's attempted abduction!

#77. Posted by: JoePike at April 13, 2006 1:53 PM

Let's not forget that we see the tail end of the plane hit the water during the taillies story. Kind of hard to revive someone from suspended animation in the water.

#78. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 1:54 PM

I think HG said "You're the only killer on this island." Not sure though.

#79. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 1:57 PM

POINT 1 -- I just want to make everyone clear on this, as Amanda pointed out earlier. There are black rocks everywhere because they film in Hawaii, which is a chain of volcanic islands. That's like pointing out that there are tall buildings in the background whenever shows are taped in New York City.

POINT 2 -- I think it's absurd to think the Others captured Michael and sent him back to the Losties (I hate that term too, but it seems to have stuck) to lead them into a trap. If you were the Others, and wanted to attack the Losties, would you

(A) attack their camp (or the hatch) with the element of surprise; or

(B) "trick" them into marching into your territory fully armed and ready for battle?

I think Michael is still operating under free will, and he is doing what he thinks will give him the best chance of rescuing Walt.

#80. Posted by: BJ at April 13, 2006 1:59 PM

JUST REALIZED SOMETHING!... I'm reading up on everyone's responses, but saw what vikki wrote about kate and sawyer with the oysters... (that's when I scrolled down and started writing) well anyone remember I think it was like 2 or 3 episodes ago when bernie asked jin about pearls?
bernie was out looking for pearls to make rose a necklace for her birthday or their anniversory or someothing... well Jin said (well motioned) that there aren't any oysters right? or did he just say/motion that those oysters don't produce pearls? God I confused myself.... you guys get what i'm talking about right?? ok I'm going to read the rest of vikki's post, then I'll prob have more to say...


OK, PLEASE GO RENT 'THE ISLAND'.. it's a horrible movie, but is a lot like lost, in the sence of medical research on an island.. blah blah blah.

ok somewhat funny, actually stupid thing I said last night while watching lost... we've all noticed and noted that the island "heals" people... well Rose no longer has cancer, lock could walk, sawyer healed mega fast from the gun shot... does that mean that everyone that died on the island is going to come to life? like all dawn of the dead like (ps who here's seen the 2004 dawn of the dead? didn't bernard look like the perfect person to cast as a zombie last night?) ok hahahaha people coming back to life, everyone point and laugh (it is lost, things could happen), I've noticed everyone saying that rose and lock and sawyer have been healed (i think i already said that, bear with me i'm at work) anyone notice that H.G isn't healing from sayid's beating? then again in 'lost' time it's prob been only like a day and a half.

as for everyone's comments on the dog... i hate to break this to you, but that's not the same dog from the other episodes... on average a show uses the same animal for a year or so, unless it's a major role, like mr Ed (who in reality was a zebra) or Eddie on Fraiser (who eventually was replaced by his son after his death).
so... yes the dog looks younger, most likely because it is not the original one. and not to knock the show at all, but if they're going to bring a dog on and off a show, at least make it look like it's on an island, that dog last night not only looked younger, but looked clean, like it just got home from the groomer... a dog like that would be full of mud and insects and yucky stuff, not bright golden yellow. *side note, everyone seems to think that heaven/hell/god/devil is the reason for the show... well maybe the dog is god... dog spelt backwards is G-O-D... (sorry- i'm being obnoxious).

and finally ... any news on Libby? the only thing they showed was her with hurley all cuddly in his tent.
1- WHY WAS SHE IN THE LOONEY BIN!? (I still think she's not a psycologist, but a person pretending to be one)
2- Why hasn't anyone commented on libby and hurleys relationship, other then sawyers "you're too fat" comments
3- anyone notice that that "group" from the other side isn't all that tight knit?
I mean ...
AL- hangs in the hatch because she feels like everyone hates her for killing shannon, well the people from her group didn't even know shannon...
Mr. Eko- doesn't talk to ANYONE, on occasion he'll talk to charlie, (they have to be tied over the drugs)
Bernard- Talks to Rose, (when she's being nice to him- he tries hard) sometimes he'll float around, but not really.
Libby- like I said, talks to Hurley, sometimes Kate and Claire (who by the way no one made a big deal that she's back)
Did I miss anyone??

Ok, I'm shutting up now.

#81. Posted by: Megan at April 13, 2006 1:59 PM

Couple of quick thoughts that struck me:

1. Did anyone notice the way faux Henry sat up when they opened the hatch door? It was creepy as hell, almost insect-like, as he rose to sitting.

2. Considering a scene in the preview: Ana-Lucia is a trained cop. For faux Henry to so effectively pin her, this implies a higher level of strength, perhaps similar to what Ethan showed?

3. Also, faux Henry calling AL a murderer is no surprise, remember, she did kill that other other (grin, I can't remember his name) as well as shooting Shannon. I don't think they know about her rapist, but anything is possible on this show.

4. When Jack wanted the combination, he was willing to "let the button go", but now he bugs Locke "are you gonna get that?" Interesting change in his point of view, don't you think?

5. That gun makes it around. Charlie took it from Sawyer (sort of), then gave it to Sayid, who then yielded it to Ana-Lucia (who cleaned it) and then it goes to Jack. The odds that Sawyer could track this are slim. Remember Jack's line, "when I need the guns, I'll get the guns" after poker? No doubt, that is part of what irritated Sawyer, that this was done so easily and without him too.

6. Eko had one of the great lines too: "There are other ways to be saved Bernard." The whole Bernard/Eko/Charlie exchange was the funniest thing I've seen in weeks. Also Hurley: "Well, we sent a raft... but it blew up." Priceless.

#82. Posted by: The Duf at April 13, 2006 2:06 PM

The healing powers of the island could be from what Tom Bethell refers to as hormesis. This is the scientific principle in which things that are toxic at high levels are beneficial at low levels, including radition. Could the island be a long ago test site for atomic bombs? This would explain why air and sea traffic avoid it. Or it could be natural radon radiation that comes from the earth's core. The Greeks discovered the healing powers of mineral springs that had low levels of radiation. Just a thought.

#83. Posted by: Scott at April 13, 2006 2:11 PM

Jin only said there are no oysters here, which I took to mean that particular spot. That doesn't neccessarily mean there aren't any oysters anywhere on the island, but I've been wrong before.

#84. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 2:16 PM

Duff, excellent point, I forgot that she did kill one of the others as well as Shannon. I didn't even think about that. I would assume that he is talking about Shannon though, trying to screw her mind like he did Locke.

#85. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 2:18 PM

Why is Charlie tho sooooo attatched to Eko now? When did that connection start? Does Charlie now have an addiction to .... dark chocolate?

#86. Posted by: Phil Zoop at April 13, 2006 2:25 PM

Mac, I was thinking - the next new episode isn't for another 3 weeks. Are you just not going to blog during that time?

I think you should still run something like a gimmick column - oh, I don't know: Top 5 characters on Lost. Or, some wild theory that's been running thru your head. Just a thought.

#87. Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2006 2:31 PM

Dark Chocolate....what's that supposed to mean?

#88. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 2:35 PM

LOL, great comments about G-O-D and the addict/dealer relationship between Charlie and Eko, Megan.

#89. Posted by: Margot at April 13, 2006 2:35 PM

I still don't understand why they haven't mentioned anything about the lack of wildlife...

and something just dawned on me... people have proposed the idea that this island is out in space or something, more or less, not on earth... then where did the fish come from?

and I have a question that I forgot to ask earlier... that I'd really like to have answered.
The plane that crashed that had Mr. Eko's brother (the priest) on it... where was it flying to? I know it was leaving Africa.

And does anyone know the reasons that the cast were in Australia?
so far i've gathered the following (please note I've missed a lot)

Bernard and Rose- Honeymoon
Jack- Picking up his fathers body
Lock- possibly visiting the/a healer
Jin/Sun- Vacation or work (something like that)

I rememebr being told why hurley was there, but don't remember why.

#90. Posted by: Megan at April 13, 2006 2:36 PM

The faith healer Rose visited was, I think, the guy Claire visitied in her first flashback. Just a thought but Claire was in Australia, so was that Isaac guy.

#91. Posted by: murphdogg at April 13, 2006 2:40 PM

I really don't think anyone is actually "healed" from what they had or have. I think the island just has some sort of affect on everyone.

Nothing is clear on Lost. Good, bad, healed? HG talks about being good -- what his meaning of good? A good person, a good specimen?

#92. Posted by: schiano at April 13, 2006 2:44 PM

Mike -- I only post when there are new episodes (unless there's "Lost" news, but those posts tend to be more newsy and less, uh, sarcastic). I love doing the "Lost" stuff, but it takes a LOT of time, so I need to make sure I balance it with all my other responsibilities.

If you're remotely interested, the Lost Blog is just one part of my overall business (plug! www.foddernetwork.com).

-- Mac

#93. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 2:46 PM

Oh, and for all the people claiming Jack has some sort of military experience in his backstory --

Why then did he ask AL about how many people would be needed to build an army?

#94. Posted by: schiano at April 13, 2006 2:47 PM

Two comments:

1) Interesting the amount of extras they have had on the last two episodes. I kind of liked it better when they didn't show them, but people on the blogs kept complaining and now they mention them all the time and we see them frequently. I couldn't help staring at them during Bernie's speech. They we all nodding like bobble heads--so annoying!
2) Loved the "Bernie you're just a dentist and Jack's a doctor" comment. How many dentists across the country were pissed at that!!

#95. Posted by: texasrobster at April 13, 2006 2:50 PM

I think it's possible (maybe even likely) that Locke went to visit the same "healer" that Rose did. But even so, Locke wasn't "healed" there - only when he reached the Island was he able to walk. And what about the whole Walkabout backstory of his? Isn't that why he was in Australia?

Schiano makes a good point about the Jack-in-the-Army thing. I hadn't thought about his question to AL.

I still think that, by seasons' end, there is going to be a huge shocker about one of these characters, and my money is on Jack.

#96. Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2006 2:56 PM

I read about half of the comments and i dont know if anyone brought this up but i think it was bernard that said they had a water trough, this could've solved their water from the caves hike problem.(i notice people are correcting posts on this board and i know this is a run on sentence please be gentle) I dont think this was mentioned before

#97. Posted by: daniel at April 13, 2006 3:08 PM

I want to respond to BioHazard: I think it's safe to say that Jin was healed by the Island, the reason Sun has that expression on her face is because she doesn't know about the Island's healing ability and she assumes that she is pregnant by her teacher. But if you look at the timeline carefully she would be about 4 months pregnant and probably showing if it was the Teacher's. AJ - If you think about the "Healing Island" theory it makes sense, the island was used for various experiments, but the only one that bore any real results was the healing. One of the other experiments may have had a catastrophic failure that wiped almost everyone out, except for those that can be healed by the island. Someone said "What about Boone and Shannon, why weren't they healed?" it goes back to what Isaac said to Rose about his place in Australia not being the right place for her to be healed. It's possible that those that die on the island aren't able to be healed by the island because it's not the right place for them. I have no idea if this theory is correct, I only came up with it last night, and I'm sure lots of others have probably been saying the same thing for weeks but it seems to make sense.

#98. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 3:14 PM

BJ, I hear what you are saying about the obvious connection between black rocks and Hawaii. However, I don't think it was just an obvious way for the writers to have Rousseau make such a big deal about "THE" black rock (not black rocks in general) and the fact that they shoot in Hawaii. I am not sure if this is making any sense, but what I am trying to say is that I think "THE" black rock Danielle speaks about is a specific one, albeit a pretty convenient way to connect the natural setting of Hawaii and the plot line of the show....I just think that we never, if I recall correctly, get confirmation from Danielle that the ship called the "Black Rock" and "THE" black rock she mentioned are one in the same. Therefore, the rock in the background of the shot of Jack yelling (and the black rock that Ethan takes Claire to in the flashback scene during the medical hatch episode for that matter....and the black rocks Bernard uses for his SOS sign...and any of the multitude of black rocks that appear in this show...) might be "THE" black rock....that's just a point I thought about....who the heck knows, right?

Also, all you pros that know how to "efurl" things, let's get crackin with the pictures of Claire's psychic and the Isaac Uluru, the pictures in the background of the healer's office, and pictures of the license plates please :)

#99. Posted by: Vikki at April 13, 2006 3:16 PM

Some thoughts on magnetic therapy. You can find more on: http://skepdic.com/magnetic.html

"Iron atoms in a magnet are crammed together in a solid state about one atom apart from one another. In your blood only four iron atoms are allocated to each hemoglobin molecule, and they are separated by distances too great to form a magnet. This is easily tested by pricking your finger and placing a drop of your blood next to a magnet. " --Michael Shermer*

Magnet therapy is a type of "alternative" medicine which claims that magnetic fields have healing powers. Some claim that magnets can help broken bones heal faster, but most of the advocacy comes from those who claim that magnets relieve pain. Most of the support for these notions is in the form of testimonials and anecdotes, and can be attributed to "placebo effects and other effects accompanying their use" (Livingston 1998). There is almost no scientific evidence supporting magnet therapy. One highly publicized exception is a double-blind study done at Baylor College of Medicine which compared the effects of magnets and sham magnets on the knee pain of 50 post-polio patients. The experimental group reported a significantly greater reduction in pain than the control group. No replication of the study has yet been done. (See James Livingston's comments on this study.)

#100. Posted by: Lisa at April 13, 2006 3:17 PM

The electromagnetism/healing connection can't be correct. The Losties (at least Locke and Rose) were healed IMMEDIATELY after crashing.

This all looks much more like "live after death", pre-purgatory, coma, a dream, collective therapy (perhaps they all WANTED to be on this "island" -- similar to the movie vanilla sky), ... these theories are not very popular, but real-world explanations for all happenings on Lost just aren't possible anymore (at least in my opinion, why is actually worth nothing ;).

Please proof me wrong! :)

#101. Posted by: Margot at April 13, 2006 3:21 PM

I know there are ALWAYS new questions to ponder on after each EP. But some things that STILL have me scratching my head is:
1. The Polar Bear.
2. What ever ripped the Pilot out of the plane.
3. What ever it is that makes the trees shake when moving throught the jungle.
4. The smoke cloud thing that flashes visions.

These are things that no MAN can do and it seems the losties never seem to talk about it. That would bother the hell out of me if I saw a man ripped through the window of a plan and then hanging dead in a tree.

#102. Posted by: Scott at April 13, 2006 3:28 PM

I don't understand why people think Locke went to this same faith healer that Rose did. He was in Australia for the Walkabout, got kicked out, then got on the doomed plane. The old Locke doesn't seem like the type to go to a guy like 'Picard'. I think he transformed on the island and got his 'faith' once he could walk again. Before that he probably wouldn't have considered going to a guy like the faith healer.

And remember, there's no way Locke could have afforded the $10,000 fee! (I'm assuming he didn't keep the $200,000 from his dad, since later in life he was working in the lowly box company job.)

#103. Posted by: JoePike at April 13, 2006 3:32 PM

I think the thing that ripped the pilot out of the cockpit, the thing that shakes the trees, and the smoke cloud thing are all one in the same. It's the island's 'defense mechanism' as Crazy Danielle put it.

#104. Posted by: JoePike at April 13, 2006 3:35 PM

Here's what I have so far about why each character was in Australia.

Correct me if I am wrong:
Bernard and Rose- Honeymoon
Jack- Picking up his fathers body
Locke - Trying to go on a Walkabout.
Jin/Sun- Jin delivering watches.
Hurley - Trying to track down Leonard's friend who discovered the Numbers.
Kate - On the run.
Claire - Lives there.
Sayid - Looking for his old girlfriend.
Walt/Micheal - Going back to USA after Walt's mother died.
Charlie - Looking for his brother.
Sawyer - Looking for "Sawyer".
Eko -
AL -
Libby -

#105. Posted by: Zeppo at April 13, 2006 3:35 PM

Ok, totally off topic... i recently asked if i could get a list of characters and why they were on the plane.. well i found this website (most of you prob know it) http://losthatch.com/characters.aspx

well going down the list I noticed that this guy 'Randy' played 2 characters... both Locks Superior and he worked with Hurley at the fast food place...

#106. Posted by: Megan at April 13, 2006 3:36 PM


What's this about a show named Reckoning coming on in 2 weeks?
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

Also, the healer Bernie and Rose visit is NOT the same as the psychic Claire visited.

#107. Posted by: Zeppo at April 13, 2006 3:40 PM

To answer Megan's question about why everyone was in Australia:
Claire was in Australia because that's where she's from. She was flying to Los Angeles to give up her baby for adoption.

Hurley was in Australia to find the guy who could explain the "curse" of the numbers to him, but he was only able to find his wife because the guy he was looking for had committed suicide.

Charlie had gone to see visit his brother and try to get their band back together (I think).

Kate was on the run from the law.

Those are all I can think of right now.

#108. Posted by: Amanda at April 13, 2006 3:42 PM

Zeppo: your list is pretty spot on.

#109. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 3:43 PM

Someone mentioned awhile back that they saw a picture of Locke on the wall of Isaac's office. Can someone post a link to a screencap of that if possible?? Thanks!!

#110. Posted by: Christina at April 13, 2006 3:44 PM


I just had a look at www.foddernetwork.com. I didn't know the whole blog network is run by you, mac. I'm really impressed.

Keep up the good work!

#111. Posted by: Margot at April 13, 2006 3:47 PM

more from that http://losthatch.com/character_facts.aspx
website...


BIO:
First Name: Henry
Last Name: Gale
Sex: Male
Citizenship: United States
Address1: 815 Walnut Ridge Road
City: Wayzata
State/Province: Minnesota
Zip Code: 55391
Henry's wife Jennifers maiden name was/is Murphy


BIO:
First Name: Rose
Sex: Female
Citizenship: United States
City: Bronx
State/Province: New York
Type: 815 Passenger
First Episode: S1E1 - Pilot - Part One
Seat Number: 23D

I was hoping maybe to get her address or something linking them together. oh well.

#112. Posted by: Megan at April 13, 2006 3:48 PM

Christina,

I DVR'd the show and I rewound that scene a half dozen times hoping to see one of the Lostaways on there, but none of the faces looked familiar. Besides, I think that was Isaac's wall of fame, you know, folks that he had healed. I don't think he would have a picture of Locke up there cause Locke was still paralyzed when he got on the plane.

#113. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 3:49 PM

This all looks much more like "live after death", pre-purgatory, coma, a dream, collective therapy (perhaps they all WANTED to be on this "island" -- similar to the movie vanilla sky), ... these theories are not very popular, but real-world explanations for all happenings on Lost just aren't possible anymore (at least in my opinion, why is actually worth nothing ;).

Please proof me wrong! :)


Your grammar, or lack there of, is all the proof that is necessary.

#114. Posted by: Stater of the Facts at April 13, 2006 3:50 PM

C'Mon be nice. Let's comment on the comments, not the grammar etc...

#115. Posted by: JoePike at April 13, 2006 3:52 PM

Ok, according to http://lostlinks.net/ the new episode in two weeks called Reckoning is just another recap episode.
Almost got my hopes up there for a second that maybe ABC is going to reward their loyal fans with a "bonus" episode this season.

#116. Posted by: Zeppo at April 13, 2006 3:54 PM

For the person who was inquiring into the Black Rock. Rousseau took them to a ship whose name was "Black Rock". It was a very specific reference when she said those words.

#117. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2006 3:54 PM

Maybe when Locke went to see the faith healer, he told Locke the same thing he told Rose.

#118. Posted by: El at April 13, 2006 3:55 PM

Margot -- Glad you like the Network! It certainly keeps me busy.

And in show news ...

My two cents on Isaac's Wall of Thanks: We may not recognize those faces and names now, but I bet they'll come into play later on. They pulled the same manuever with Eko's monster experience: We saw snippets of images that made sense given what we already knew about him, but there were a few images in there that are precursors for future developments.

#119. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 3:57 PM

To: Schiano

What Jack asked AL, IIRC, was how *long* did she think it would take to train an army. Like so much else on “Lost”, there is enough ambiguity in both the question and the way he asked it that one can interpret it completely differently, depending on what one knows (or assumes) about his background. Remember her surprise at the question? She’s a cop, and virtually obsessed with the element of island danger in a way no one else was before her, but the idea of organizing an *army* was so far removed from her thinking that it shocked her at first. So what is it about Dr. Jack that his mental choo-choo went chugging down that track? Hmmmmm.

I would cite the point that Jack asked this question as a point in support of the idea that Jack has a military background. OTOH, I would cite the fact that Jack got his butt kicked in hand-to-hand fighting by Ethan Rom as a definite point against, LOL.

But I know this much: the “Lost” writers are trying to set *something* up by dropping all of these recent little character tidbits about Jack on us in such a short space of time. Redirecting our attention to his tattoo, telling us he got it in the Far East, expert poker player, expert marksman, the casual competence with which he handled that gun (pay attention to the way he automatically checks the mag, chamber and safety when he receives the weapon from AL—that’s someone who’s familiar with proper gun safety rules); all of these little heretofore (hah, Mac!) unrevealed facts about Dr. Jack are leading up to something or my name isn’t Deep Cover. ;-)

#120. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 13, 2006 4:00 PM

Touche, DC. ;) You'll notice I changed it, too.

#121. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 4:02 PM

Why has no one yet mentioned the paper Locke was using to recreate the map on? At first it was blank, but after he'd "stretched his legs" he resumed his work on it and it was on a book page all in French. I speak French but haven't had the time to go back and study the page a little more. Any other Francophones out there recognize it? Perhaps a passage from a work by the French philosopher Rousseau???

#122. Posted by: Trinity at April 13, 2006 4:02 PM

That was deep - Deep Cover. LOL ;-P

#123. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 13, 2006 4:02 PM

Zeppo -- Nice job with the list. I think you nailed it.

I'll be VERY interested to see how Eko, Ana and Libby ended up in Australia.

#124. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 4:04 PM

Trinity, go to www.lost.com and check out the tail section......that will give you your answer....and please don't post on here anymore thanks

#125. Posted by: All Knowing All the time at April 13, 2006 4:09 PM

Libby could have been in Australia because she knew Hurley was there investigating the numbers. And by chance(????) they ended up on the same flight home. Eko maybe was doing some kind of missionary work or soul cleansing, Anna Lucia might have been on a manditory leave from duty, or she could be on the run too for murdering the man who killed her unborn child. I'm probably way of, but just some random thoughts.

#126. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 4:12 PM

I will post anywhere I want to. It's a free country. I've probably been on here longer than you have anyway. Forgive me for actually having real work to do and not being able to check out EVERY SINGLE "Lost" link on the planet. How about you take your attitude elsewhere? It's not needed here. Thanks.

#127. Posted by: Trinity at April 13, 2006 4:15 PM

Righty-o then....there goes my big theory about black rocks....I totally forgot she showed them...I thought she just told them about it and then they stumbled upon a boat that just happened to have the same name....oh well! Sometimes we are just as good at disproving theories as we are providing them...thanks, hookedonlost...

Mac, we will definitely see more faces from Uluru's "wall of fame"...I am not entirely convinced that if we looked close enough, we wouldn't recognize some of them already....some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

#128. Posted by: Vikki at April 13, 2006 4:15 PM

By the by, Uluru is the aboriginal name for Ayers Rock, an iconic natural landmark in the Aussie Outback, which is a large magnetic mound. Here's a link to more info:

http://www.crystalinks.com/ayersrock.html

Just another interesting "magnetic" connection.

#129. Posted by: lj at April 13, 2006 4:16 PM

Nice review as usual Mac.

OK they were deffinately in NY probably Rochester or Albany, (Short drive to Niagra Falls) maybe even Buffalo)
I thought Kate and Claire not telling anyone about the other hatch was preposterous.
Also there is no way Michael is a spy, I think we all fall into the trap of thinking more "Island Time" elapses between shows. He hasn't been gone that long. I also thought that was Desmond stumbling out of the woods, Didn't he have a back pack too? Over

#130. Posted by: Dshaw at April 13, 2006 4:24 PM

Why, thank-you Mr. Grimm. :-D Don't you have a fairy tale to write? ;-p

Aside: though 'tis poor nettiquette to harp on someone's grammar, I have the 'old friend' exception under which to needle Mac. Besides, he knows that if he tries to stop me, I'll derail the whole comment thread into a discussion of beer. Heheheheheheh.

:evil Henry Gale-style grin:

#131. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 13, 2006 4:26 PM

Mmmmmmmm, beer. lol.

#132. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 13, 2006 4:28 PM

In LostLand a black rock is never "just a black rock".
In regards to the island 'healing' some people and not others; maybe it just wasn't the 'right energy' for them.
I really wonder if the situation on the island isn't a case of the inmates taking over the asylum! The initiative having been some neo-utopian, ley-line loving group of experimenting hippy scientists gone terribly, terribly wrong.

#133. Posted by: JOS at April 13, 2006 4:32 PM

LOL Vikki - I hope someday you will join us, and the world will live as one!

#134. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2006 4:35 PM

All Knowing All the time - Be nice. Trinity's question was very reasonable.

Trinity - You're always welcome here.

DC: You'll always have old-school street cred! (Anyone who lived through the T@p yellow days will always rank high on my list.)

And finally ...

I welcome *everyone* to point out my grammatical errors, my factual errors and my errors as a human being (but be nice with that last one). I don't mind at all.

#135. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 4:40 PM

wow, it has taken me a while to get through all these comments and i totally forgot what i had to say...boy, did i have a lot to say!

i too agree that this was a great episode and it answered a lot of questions. i for one enjoyed it coz i could actually predict some of the things that happened before they happened!!!

thanks whoever came up with the list of why each character was in australia. are we certain that jin and sun were there to deliver the watch?(i thought california was where they were supposed to deliver it). did we ever really learn why they were in australia?

did anyone else think it odd that at the end when they showed all the different characters doing their own thing(with the background music), sayid was nowhere to be seen...where was he?!!

i was also wondering about jack being such a pro with guns and hiking and leadership and control issues...i can't wait to find out how a spinal surgeon had the time to learn all that he knows.

mac, once again, great review. have you written any books that are available on the market? i for one would definitely read 'em. keep up the great work!

#136. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at April 13, 2006 4:51 PM

katePlusSun=Fun: Nope, no books (yet), but I'm mulling an idea that may turn into something. Glad to know I'll have at least one reader!

#137. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 4:52 PM

I think Libby was on the plane because she was stalking Hurley?!?

#138. Posted by: -Burk at April 13, 2006 5:01 PM

Locke was not healed because he never made it to see the healer. The tour guide would not let him on the bus.

#139. Posted by: DB IN BC at April 13, 2006 5:09 PM

i too at first thought the healer would have a connection with locke, but locke was in australia for a walkabout and not to be healed. i don't think there is any connection between the two....but don't take my word for it!!!

i loved the scene where jack was asking kate to join him on his "others" excursion and smartass sawyer thought jack was talking to him...i love the tension between these two guys.

someone at the top mentioned something about being annoyed with the other losties(not the main characters) showing up a lot this season...i think its really cool that we actually get to see them and realize that there are other survivors and somebody else could be writing the diary...not necessarily rose. i have to admit that i too thought it was minnesota when i saw the snow(live here and you would associate anything to do with snow with minnesota). too bad otherwise we would have gotten to see some lost characters around the MOA!

hey mac, i am sure everyone on this blog would flock to the bookstores for your book!

#140. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at April 13, 2006 5:17 PM

I guess I've been reading this blog faithfully, because the moment I saw the good old Locke back, I thought (word to word): "Locke's Obi Wan mojo is back!" Locke's one of my favourite characters so this is great.

#141. Posted by: Antti at April 13, 2006 5:29 PM

KatePlusSun: In the closing montage, Sayid wasn't included because (I think) they meant to show the people who are content on the island, and have found some sort of peace. Goes with the theme of how some people want to stay on the island for various reasons, and some want to leave.

#142. Posted by: Christina at April 13, 2006 5:48 PM

I don't know which camp Sayid belongs to yet, after what happened with Shannon...unless of course Locke tells him about the cute Iraqi woman whose house he inspected...

#143. Posted by: Christina at April 13, 2006 5:50 PM

The Sayid/Shannon debacle is right up there with the whole "monster" idea from the beginning of Season 1 as "worst storylines."

Can't complain about much more than that, though.

#144. Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2006 5:56 PM

Regarding Jack's constantly expanding skill set:

Although it's certainly possible Jack was in the military (National Guard?), it's also possible to have the skills he showed just by being a hunter.

I don't know any doctors who hunt, but it's possible.

In addition, plenty of people know how to use a gun without having been in the military. I took a training class myself, and we were taught the works, from pistols to rifles. I can strip a .45 down, clean it, etc. and fire a pretty tight grouping on a target too. But I've never been in the military. Just a thought.

#145. Posted by: The Duf at April 13, 2006 6:45 PM

Maybe Jack's mother's maiden name is MacGuyver ;)

#146. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2006 6:47 PM

Refresher: dharma \ 1. essential quality or character, as of the cosmos or one's own nature. 2. conformity to religious law, custom, duty.

I think Eko knows there will be an eventual showdown between good and evil, so he is building the church and gathering disciples (Charlie) in preparation. ????????

#147. Posted by: maxlife at April 13, 2006 6:51 PM

Oh, and to Mr. Snarky:

Your grammar, or lack there of, is all the proof that is necessary.

-- Posted by: Stater of the Facts at April 13, 2006 03:50 PM

Thereof is one word my friend. Don't be so critical.

#148. Posted by: The Duf at April 13, 2006 6:55 PM

Megan and others who have pondered this element: islands in the middle of nowhere have very little indigenous insect and wildlife. Most species are brought there by accident or on purpose by travellers to the island. Seeds, carried by water and wind, and some birds arrive on their own.

#149. Posted by: SoLost at April 13, 2006 7:12 PM

Mac,
Loved the 'married an axe muderer' reference. Maybe Alvar took the Colonel's place in the Pentablet after he went tits up. It would explain how the man became so powerful, don't you think?

My theory on the healing powers of the island is that they are only effective as long as they are on the island and whatever handicap or illness they had would come back upon leaving the island. As far as those who have died on the island, i.e. Shannon and Boone, they weren't sick or handicapped (at least not physically) to begin with. The island heals, it does not resurrect.

Also, is there really such a thing as a bad episode of 'Lost'? I think not.

#150. Posted by: curtis at April 13, 2006 7:12 PM

Okay, this might have already been mentioned, but I (sadly) don't have time to read through all the comments posted above (this is such a popular blog!): did anyone notice the strange look on Sun's face in the final sequence of the show? Jin was all smiling and happy and rubbing her stomach, and then the camera pans up to Sun, who's looking off in the distance. I thought he had also been healed by the island, but could that distant look on Sun's face mean Jin isn't the father? I'd love any input from you guys out there!

#151. Posted by: Becky at April 13, 2006 8:05 PM

I am almost afraid to post since you all seem so grammitically aware! :0) But, I'll take a chance. I want to make a few points:

1. I do not think we know why Jin and her husband were in Australia, do we?

2. At first I was disappointed in this episode, especially since last week. Then after reading Mac's review I felt that he was right. The detail and the buidup is part of the "drug" that hooks us all on Lost. I LOVED the look into those two's past. Tgus goes the continuation of black and white.

3. Sayeed was absent because he was off filming that movie maybe.

4. How do you all know the names of the locations on the map? I paused it on my dvr and still couldn't see anything.

#152. Posted by: Meg at April 13, 2006 8:09 PM

Hey Mac! That MacGuyver comment is very very funny!

I will expect Losties to be climbing a cliff face upside down soon with nothing but a Dharma fork, knife and spoon on their way for a special island healing.....

Great recap--thanks so much! You have created some great expectations with your key points.

#153. Posted by: strontilam at April 13, 2006 8:15 PM

I have been reading this for a while but this is the first time I have posted something. My gut feeling is Libby is an "OTHER". Is the mental Hospital Hurley was at invloved with Darma???

#154. Posted by: countrykat at April 13, 2006 8:37 PM

ya know the theories and all that, well,... everyone is wrong


"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#155. Posted by: thinng at April 13, 2006 8:39 PM

If Jack's Mum was Macguyver, then couldn't Jack have built an F16 out of a few palm fronds and some sticky tape by now?

#156. Posted by: El at April 13, 2006 8:41 PM

Mac, Still pondering last week's comment about a generic oreo. Yuck. Crackers, maybe.

All, A Lot is two words.

All, I say we met up somewhere during the next 3 weeks and share a beer. Have a Lost Convention.

#157. Posted by: I'm not Lost at April 13, 2006 9:07 PM

Thanks, Mac. You're a good guy! :)

I don't know why anyone thinks this was a "weak" episode. Not only was it extremely touching and moving, and the story headed exactly where everyone wanted it to go, but that net scene was as close to soft-core porn as network television will allow! I needed a cigarette after that!

#158. Posted by: Trinity at April 13, 2006 9:26 PM

Good comments, with regards to my comments about there not being an actual plane crash - while there certainly was plane wreckage and carnage, it doesn't seem that anyone should've survied, especially a crash in which the plane violently breaks up in mid-air. Sayid has acknowledged it, as have other characters. Something about the crash itself is suspect.

In my ongoing attempt to get at the ideas of BF Skinner and how it might relate to the Dharma Initiative, I came across something interesting. Skinner had a classic publication called 'SUPERSTITION' IN THE PIGEON (google it, you can find it - it's also mentioned in wikipedia)...

The gist of it relates to reinforcement in a stimulus - response conditioning setup, that is pigeons were placed in cages and given food at regular intervals, and were observed to "condition" their behavior - whatever they happened to be doing - in relation to when the food appeared. So if the bird was, say, poking at a particular part of the cage when the food appeared, the bird would begin to repeat that behavior, assuming it was in some manner responsible for delivering the food/reward - "supersitious behavior"...

I may have butchered this quick explanation, but it strikes me as curious - Skinner titled this work "Superstition in the pigeon"... and the Hatch, the one that we know involving plugging the numbers in every 108 minutes, what is it's designation? The Swan. Perhaps the Swan is just a very "Dharma" version of a pigeon?

It's also interesting in that there is a required timed task, the delivery of food as we've seen now, etc. It resembles in some ways (although not in others) Skinner's classic experiment. You can actually find his entire work Science & Human Behavior online in PDF form, but it's some 400+ pages and I have a dissertation to write :(

more to come...
BH

#159. Posted by: Biohazard at April 13, 2006 10:28 PM

why was henry tied up?

#160. Posted by: v at April 13, 2006 11:09 PM

Meg, have a look at this site.
It has some good pics of the map:
http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html

#161. Posted by: Zeppo at April 13, 2006 11:11 PM

Thanks Mac for another great review! I liked the episode, it answered a couple of questions and gave us our old Locke back, mojo and all. I can see him ready to crack the other hatches in the near future and I can't wait.

I think the DHARMA folks came deliberately to the island to use its special powers. Maybe they came to know of the island's existence through a time warp of sorts from a past inhabitant who broke-through to the future.... or not (Hanso?). In any event the constant stream of island victims provides free experimental subjects. But I agree with those folks above...somehow the subjects are now in charge. Wouldn't it be funny if in the end our "losties" become the Others to a new set of crash victims? Now all we have to do is figure out what's up with the children, Cindy, Desmond, the Polar bear, smoke monster and Rousseau!

Is the picture in the hatch outside of the armoury a picture of Austrailia?

The Others may need the Swan's weapons and it seems plausible they are using Michael to get them. You can bet the finale will rock. Love everyone's theories!

#162. Posted by: Lesley at April 13, 2006 11:13 PM

Meg, you could also look at this:
You may need to zoom in or out:
http://rossnewberry.googlepages.com/lost-wallenhanced3.png.jpg

#163. Posted by: Zeppo at April 13, 2006 11:13 PM

*First time poster, Loonng time watcher..*

When it comes to the island having 'Healing Powers'.. I think that it could explain why it is so hard to the Losties to "beat up" the Others. Because they've been on the island for so long.. But then I'm unsure of why it's taking a long time for Faux Henry to heal..

I think Locke was possibly in Australia to visit the same healer as Rose..But was either unable to make it due to not being able to go on the Walkabout, or he made it but was in the same boat as Rose.

As for Libby being there, as soon as I seen her in 'Dave', I totally though that she is/was stalking Hurley.. Not sure why though..
P.S.. Love your Reviews.. Very informative..

#164. Posted by: Tiff at April 13, 2006 11:30 PM

Did anyone notice that when Jack went to change 'Henry's' bandage it had quite a large spot of fresh blood on it but the actual wound itself was closed and pretty much healed up?
Also, I too was wondering why 'Henry' was sitting in such a weird position then quickly sat up. I thought to myself "was he praying, was he sleeping OR was he trying to chew through the rope?" Any thoughts?

#165. Posted by: JOS at April 13, 2006 11:47 PM

To the people who think the Island has healing powers? Why wasn't the marshall healed quickly?

To the people who think Libby is a fake psychologist, how was she able to hypnotize Claire? Was that all just pretend?

#166. Posted by: kent at April 14, 2006 8:33 AM

I just found the new wallpaper for my PC here at work:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/Zilarko/lostpark.gif

#167. Posted by: Zeppo at April 14, 2006 10:50 AM

could the clearing that Jack and Kate walk into to call out the Others be the same area that is marked with a question mark on Locke's blacklight map? that could explain why the Others are so protective of that area.

love the site and all the comments. fantastic.

#168. Posted by: sb at April 14, 2006 11:02 AM

First time Posting here. Avid watcher. Let me first say that I am an electrical engineer (so don't mind my physics explanations).

I know it has been brought up before about the whole magnetic phenomenon that is occuring. Most people know that magnets are worn by people to help with healing processes. There are also great theories about magnetic properties and there effect on the human body. Here is my take on the situation:

Though these magnetic properties are helping some, it will not stop people from dying or cure everyones problems. It can also create physical and mental problems. It will cause abnormal behavior as well as effect people in unknown ways (possibly the reason they are on the island). I believe it is a study, maybe it has gone wrong over the years.

As far as the button and magnetic relevencies;

The experiment may involve non-destructive, pulsed magnets, typically used in research.

The button they push may be some sort of capacitor discharge, releasing large amounts of energy into the surrounding areas. Too much stress on the magnet field will cause the magnet to explode.

I have no idea if I am remotely close to anything, but another theory can't hurt. Or I am just another fan caught in the writers amazing story line. Some thoughts?

#169. Posted by: Lou at April 14, 2006 11:06 AM

General show comment - The most unbelievable thing on this show so far was Sayid's love for Shannon. Sayid has been in love with Nadia his whole life. He risked his life letting her escape. He was on the plane on his way to look for her after 7 years had passed. But all of a sudden he would fall in love with a spoiled brat he had known for less than 2 months. Doesn't make sense to me.

#170. Posted by: diamondgirl at April 14, 2006 11:08 AM

Zeppo - I love it! Claire, Locke, and AL are my favorites. Why do you think Jin is a werewolf and Rose has a halo?

#171. Posted by: diamondgirl at April 14, 2006 11:13 AM

"The most unbelievable thing on this show so far was Sayid's love for Shannon."

Yes, Diamondgirl, I agree - I have been saying the same thing for weeks! That entire debacle was the single worst storyline so far in both seasons. And if Hurley & Libby start to become anything more than they are right now, then I could see that going in the same direction.

#172. Posted by: Mike at April 14, 2006 11:16 AM

I think that thne reasone why michale is going to take john and sawyer and a couple of others To the others on the island is because he is leading them into a trap so he could get walt back AKA he is making a secret trade with the others!

#173. Posted by: Nelson Vasquez at April 14, 2006 11:36 AM

Diamondgirl & Mike - I also agree. It seems like a very weak choice for the writers to have made. Now I must admit that the Hurley/Libby thing is different. To the best of our knowledge, neither of them is already desperately in love with someone else. I'd like to see that go somewhere -- IF it's all legit on Libby's part.

Sayid's character took a nosedive in the credibility department over Shannon, IMO. Unless, the writers have something up their sleeve to explain all this. I can't image bothering now that she's dead though.

#174. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 14, 2006 11:43 AM

Since this is my first post, i'll Ecko the sentiments of all who appreciate and look forward to Mac's summaries and all the comments each week. Awesome, insightful, and highly entertaining!

If HGI (Henry Gale Imposter) is correct that God can't see the island, then Ecko building a church probably won't help to save anyone... That could also be the ultimate "free pass" on sins since God wouldn't be able to keep score. And to think that Charlie went to such extremes to make sure that baby Aaron was baptised..

#175. Posted by: vacc at April 14, 2006 11:48 AM

Jin is Chewbacca because Sawyer kept calling him Chewie while they were building the raft.
I think Rose has a halo because she always had faith that Bernard was alive.

I don't think Micheal will willingly take the Losties in to a trap.
If anything the Others let him see what they wanted him to see.
Then when the Losites come in with their guns, the Others will surround them with greater numbers and bigger weapons and take all the guns from them.

If the Losties go out and kill off the Others, then that will basically end the show because all that would be left would just be people on an island.
The only drama would then be the button and whether to push it or not.

#176. Posted by: Zeppo at April 14, 2006 11:48 AM

I keep wondering about the food-drop. Apparently, some on- or off- island organization has the capacity to manufacture, produce, label and number food items with the Dharma brand, and deliver them when needed. So it seems that there is a substantial organization controlling the resources the island has over what appears to be an extended period of time. And, if they bring those sorts of resources to the island, couldn't they have the capacity to bring "human resources" as well? If whatever controls the island (and remember one of the producers said in an early interview "if it really is an island")required new or relacement humans for its studies/experiments, it would bring them in just like it does the food, by some sort of means, such as a staged airline disaster or ship wreck. There's an external mechanism in control. Oh well, just some thoughts.

#177. Posted by: maries at April 14, 2006 12:23 PM

"if it really is an island"????

This kind of brought to mind The Truman Show. Not that they are apart of a Reality Show, but that the island, ocean, and sky may be an enormous set for who knows what, possibly a conditioned stimulus experiment. This would support the theory that Oceanic was behind it.

#178. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at April 14, 2006 12:41 PM

Charlie Salinger....nice of you to stop by...hope all is well with Bailey and the gang...anyway....if this show is anything like the Truman Show I will be very disappointed. Whenever I watch the Truman Show I am always...I don't know what the word it, annoyed? disgusted? fascinated? by the general population's obsession with the show Truman stars in....If, after all is said and done, I wind up just being another pawn in this DHARMA experiment by being a faithful viewer who borders on obsessed with LOST, well then call me duped and kudos to the writers!

#179. Posted by: Vikki at April 14, 2006 12:48 PM

ok i just checked out http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html
(thanks zeppo)

this is kinda obvious... but it clearly states "'I am here'" at the area at the lowest part of the map... if you notice there are 6 of those "areas"... now the hatch happens to be the one with the swan... if you look at the others there seems to be a skunk like thing, a crab like thing, and i can't make out the other 3. now there are 6 numbers used in the code (4,8,15,16,23,42) and the cast has already been to 3 of these areas... (the hatch, the maternity place, and the hut on the other side of the island {where AL, libby, etc had the bible)
what i'm guessing is that there are like hidden passages (i've said this before) that link them all together... now in the center (the big '?') maybe that's the place that the dharma people live in. which would explain the lack of planes when the food was dropped off, it could have been catapolted from this '?' area. hmmmm...
as for the others, I still think they are scientist. they take the kids to save them FROM being tested on. and considering all the metal that is used in the whole set up (of the hatch etc) that caused a magnetic feild or something causing planes to crash...

my questions now are... why did the real henry gales baloon crash there? how'd he get there if this island is so far from everything else.
How did ekos brothers plane get there?

and i missed the episode with this black rock boat, why don't they use that to send for help, rather then a raft?

#180. Posted by: Megan at April 14, 2006 12:51 PM

and i missed the episode with this black rock boat, why don't they use that to send for help, rather then a raft?

Megan, I think it's because the Black Rock is a huge ship and it is stuck in the middle of the jungle. I don't know how they would get it to the beach.

#181. Posted by: El at April 14, 2006 1:35 PM

The Black Rock is an old slave ship that is in the middle of the forest somewhere, so there is no way that is going to help them.
It's too big for them to move, plus I think it was moslty all broken up.

#182. Posted by: Zeppo at April 14, 2006 1:41 PM

Don't forget the highly unstable dynamite.

** R.I.P Leslie Arzt **

#183. Posted by: mac at April 14, 2006 1:43 PM

Diamondgirl, I agree that the Sayid love story was a little difficult to buy. It is plausible though. Take it from a returned Peace Corps Volunteer who lived on a small island very isolated for two years. Isolation can make someone make strange choices. It did give me the creeps though. Sayid is one of my favorite characters, and he could have done sooooo much better than with Shannon.

Thanks for the links everyone. I'll check them out.

#184. Posted by: Meg at April 14, 2006 2:37 PM

Ohhhh... like i say all the time, i've got to rent season one, and asap season 2.

Ok can someone please bring me up to date on the following (my fiance's sister in law always asks me and i don't know the answers)

How many polar bears where there?
what happened to them?
do we know why they were there?

How many people were there on the plane (prior to crash)?
What happened to the crew? (stewartess') (i know the captain got sucked into the air right?)

The black smokey thing.. when was the first time they showed it? (was it when mr. eko saw it?)

WHY was Mr. Eko's brothers plane there?

How far away are the buried bodies (ie: shannon, her brother, etc.) from camp?

Where are the remains from the plane?

Was there a shark following the raft? (sawyer/jin/michael/walt)

in the 'other 48 days' how many people crashed on that side and how many kids were there?

Anyone notice that michael is the only parent left? (besides claire {aaron is still with her and danielle(she's not part of the losties)


#185. Posted by: Megan at April 14, 2006 2:45 PM

As Locke kept trying to draw the map on the wall throughout the episode, I couldn't help wondering what the question mark in he middle means.

Does this maybe mean that Dharma doesn't even know what's at the center of the island?

Just a thought.

#186. Posted by: Josh at April 14, 2006 3:37 PM

I'm liking the theory that the island was developed to conduct experiments on nano-swarm technology (a la Michael Crichton's Prey). The blast doors weren't intended to keep people in but to keep the nano-swarm out (a la Crichton's Jurassic Park). After the "incident", the Electro-Magnetism was developed to control, contain, and train the nano-swarm. To "train" the nano-swarm, the scientists employed B.F. Skinner's philosophy of reward and punishment. "Good" things happen to reward "good" actions, and "bad" things happen to punish "bad" actions like in the Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mumy, except on the island, the swarm is like Anthony (the Billy Mumy character). Actually, I think a better parallel would be Gort in The Day The Earth Stood Still. Push the button and the island maintains its EM properties like an electric dog-fence. Neglect to push the button, and you get punished (like Locke's leg), and Dharma food (imitation Oreos and powdered milk - punishment enough in anyone's eye's) gets "launched" from a silo. That would explain the parachute and why no plane. Faux Henry is so insistent that he is "good" because he has to believe it himself because the swarm can telepathically detect a person's intentions; for example, the swarm looked into Eko's soul and knew/saw that even though he'd done bad things his soul/conscience was clear. As part of its programming, the swarm searches for "good" people who were damaged or hurting in some way, and contrives to get them all together in one place to heal them. Poseurs like Boone and Shannon are "put into the cornfield". Okay, that's as much reaching as I can do in one day without actually needing physical therapy.

#187. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 14, 2006 4:14 PM

To Megan (as best I can):
1) 1 polar bear seen, shot and killed by Sawyer, no
2) ??, Cindy the stewardess disappeared right before AL shot Shannon and no other crew members have been mentioned as surviving
3) The smoke monster was seen before Mr. Eko when it tried to pull Locke into a hole but Jack threw a stick of TNT into the hole and it let go
4) Eko's brother and 'friend' were on the lam with a huge amount of heroin after escaping Nigerian authorities. Presumably they were flying somewhere to sell the drugs.
5) unknown but fairly close because Shannon (Boone) and Sayid (Shannon) went to dwell on the site in sorrow
6) I would like to know! They burned the dead in the fuselage but that shouldn't have destroyed the metal. Some of the metal was used for the ill-fated raft.
7) There was a shark seen under the boat with a Dharma logo on it. I don't remember why we saw it.
8) 15 Tailies and at least 2 kids
9) ??

Mac has recaps of ALL the episodes (except season 1, episodes 1 & 2)for more details! Hope this helps!

#188. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 14, 2006 4:46 PM

Ransom - I know this nano-theory is very interesting, but Cuse and Abrams have definitely dismissed it (via podcast).

#189. Posted by: Shannon at April 14, 2006 4:51 PM

Megan, there were 2 Poal bears - One that sawyer shot, and one that attacked Walt in the bamboo grove. That one is still out there.

#190. Posted by: Shannon at April 14, 2006 4:53 PM

Had a chance this afternoon to watch the episode again. And to speed thru these blog entries. Both are highly entertaining. Mac, whomever you are, you run a good gig here!

Everyone is always intrigued with "stuff in the background", whether it be black rocks, black smoke or all that "Mr. Wizard" stuff in the hatch.

I found one scene background today that didn't seem executed very well. I've been in a restaurant numerous times when a obvious marriage proposal is going on and you know what?..Everyone in the room watches. And yet, totally oblivious to TWO VIOLINISTS AND ONE OLD GUY ON HIS KNEES IN THE AISLE, the little blond babe behind Bernard continued to giggle and stuff her face without a single glance to the action in front of the window! (Stage actors are always reminded to respond to action in the scene.) I found that background inaction almost distracting.

Oh yes, and the "answer" to diamondgirl's query about how Sayid could possibly fall for Shannon after only a few weeks on a DESERT ISLAND.... I think it basically has to do with "opportunity" and . . . well, "horns"! (I know, soooo junior high....)

#191. Posted by: David at April 14, 2006 5:59 PM

This is the first time I have been on this site. Dont you guys remember the man with beard telling Jack, Sawyer, and Locke that Micheal would never find them. All of a sudden Michael has been able too infiltrate the others with them knowing? I dont think so. The others captured him and black maled him into luring certain castaway's to them in exchange for his son back or for his son not to be tortured or something. Michael coinsidently finding Jack and freckle's right at the line that can't be crossed is no coinsidence. That area must have video servalence.

#192. Posted by: Dan at April 14, 2006 7:09 PM

Locke was in australia because he was going to the the walkabout but they wouldnt let him go

#193. Posted by: evan at April 14, 2006 7:58 PM

jack was in australia because his dad was there and he died there
Jin and sun where there because they were delivering a watch for suns dad
Clair lived there
Kate went there cause she was running from the police
Locke was there because of the walkabout
I think micheal and walt just moved there
Hurley was looking for answer about the numbers
Charlie was visiting is brother

#194. Posted by: Evan at April 14, 2006 8:03 PM

Daniella did the stress call over the radio signal but then she said the others took it over. so where is this radio tower or the source of the power and like mabe the others got there at the same time as danneilla or were building

#195. Posted by: Evan at April 14, 2006 8:14 PM

Vikki (and anyone else looking for pics),
You can see between 400 and over a thousand screen captures of each episode at the web site lost-media.com and click on "Lost Photo Gallery" on the left side. Then click on "Lost Screen Captures" in the main (center) column. Then click on Season One or Season Two, and then choose the episode. You'll find an albumn for each episode of up to 20 pages with 40 thumbnail pics on each. Click on a small picture and it will be enlarged and click on it again and it will fill your entire screen.

#196. Posted by: Ardie at April 14, 2006 9:15 PM

There are several pictures of the Australian healer's Wall of Fame in those screen captures. One picture does kind of look like Locke but I don't think it's him.

Rose's car had New York license plates that read "BNQ 1925". I couldn't make out Bernard's plates but could tell they were also New York.

Mac said Ana-Lucia looked like she was repairing an engine. She was working on a cord and pulley that's part of one of the pieces of weight lifting exercise equipment.

The remains of the aircraft are no longer on the beach because one episode the ocean suddenly rose and receded. Remember they had to quickly grab their stuff and get off the beach. The plane was washed out to sea. (Actually, they were tired of setting it up for most episodes so "got rid of it" so they wouldn't have to anymore)

#197. Posted by: Ardie at April 14, 2006 9:26 PM

Dan: You could be right. But, I think Michael has been allowed to see what the Others wanted him to see. I think the Others (for some unknown reason) had decided to allowed him to continue his search for Walt.

When Jack and Kate showed up at the "line" demanding a trade for Walt, the "others" decided to get the fake Henry back by simply flushing Micheal out of their territoryadn hearding him back to the "line".

This is another example of the power they seem to want to hold over the crash survivors.

#198. Posted by: DWF at April 15, 2006 10:07 AM

I think that jack might of been in the airforce, if you remember from the pilot episode, he said he took some flying lessons, and also i've read alot about where jack and ana lucia got the gun, they got it from charlie when they went looking for HG's balloon.

#199. Posted by: Sergio Zepeda at April 15, 2006 1:05 PM

Even if the others let Michael go--and I'm not sold on that theory--why would the Losties let Henry go? They've got Michael; they want Walt, too. When the trade was made for Kate, she was there, bound and blindfolded and worth a few guns at least. The point is, she was physically there and in jeopardy. I think Jack wanted to make a deal. Meet me here tomorrow; you bring yours, I'll bring mine. The others had nothing to gain by sending Michale in, but he now has the chance to get their help with the information he's gathered. It is possible he's been spying from afar, and may not know as much as he thinks, but I doubt the others have any control of him.

#200. Posted by: SoLost at April 15, 2006 1:08 PM

I think it's important to point out that BF Skinner was a proponent of behavior modification and social engineering via operant conditioning rather than classical conditioning (pavlov's dog).

Operant conditioning looks to shape behavior via linkage of actions and consequences, but not necessarily "punishment" in a classical sense. Skinner wasn't a fan of punishment, finding it ineffective at achieving long term behavior change. He was more a believer of positive and negative reinforcement. While positive reinforcement rewards an action with a pleasurable stimulus or response, negative reinforcement involves reward of an action with removal of an unpleasant stimulus or condition...

He also, apparently, thought that modern concepts of "free will" and autonomy were somewhat obsolete. He held that all behavior was influenced primarily by the environment, and could be shaped by conditioning, and was oft criticized as essentially supporting a "totalitarian" state. In general, he hoped that in his utopian society conflicts could be resolved without weapons or war, that government could rule not with coercion and fear but positive and negative reinforcement...

So, considering all this when considering the Others, you see how original devotees of these ideals could, perhaps, go astray. The visual analogy between a large pallet of food suddenly being dropped into the Lostie's environment parallels, to me, the vision of a food pellet being dropped into a cage, that it can't be ignored.

As usual, I've gone on far too long, but I think the Dharma Project is alive and well, perhaps in a mutated form, overrun by Hanso and his own ideals, and the Others are directly linked to this effort. I still think the grad students from the Dharma video are going to show up. Hanso had a lot of irons in the fire though... so I'm sure there is a lot more than just behavior modification experiments going on...

THat's all for now,
BH

#201. Posted by: Biohazard at April 15, 2006 1:59 PM

I, too, love the show and Mac's recap.

A lot of you have mentioned your theory about the island having "healing" properties. It's, indeed, true for some of the "Losties," but not entirely true for all. In fact, if Hurley has some mental illness that he suffered from after winning the lottery, then why did he see his invisible friend, Dave, in the last ep? The island hadn't cured Hurley at all.

I, too, hate that the writers had to build the Sayid/Shannon relationship into the story. It didn't work for me either. Shannon's charater had to be killed off. I don't miss her but I do miss her brother... I hope they can bring him back in "back stories" of course.

Where can I buy a Henry Gale knock off T?

#202. Posted by: Janet at April 15, 2006 2:58 PM

Biohazard:
Good summary of Skinnerian thought, and ingenious connection between the "food pallet" and a "pellet of food" in a cage.

Another connection I make with Skinner is that he invented the "Skinner Box," which is a box in which a white rat must press a bar to get food. Pressing the bar did not ALWAYS lead to a food reward, but could with, say, every third press, or according to a random contingency. Skinner studied the results of hundreds of contingency patterns.

The Losties pressing a button every 108 minutes, even though not for food, reminds me of Skinner's rats. The reward is avoiding some unknown terror.

#203. Posted by: Cinci at April 15, 2006 7:21 PM

Hurley really wasnt sick he just was seeing things..thast not really a sickness

#204. Posted by: evan at April 15, 2006 10:34 PM

Hurley wasnt sick really..just like seeing things..jack saw his dad on the island to and he wasnt sick. i just hope they answer some questions like Who are the adam and eve, more about that black rock, more bout gales balloon, more about daniella, the black and white rocks, the security system, the polor bears..ahh theres to muchh.. and I hope desmond comes back before the end of the season

#205. Posted by: evan at April 15, 2006 10:39 PM

in another episode wasnt charlie helping sayid build some kind of table and then went to mr. eko looking for something? so has he given up helping sayid and went on helping eko now?

#206. Posted by: miller33540 at April 16, 2006 12:24 AM

SoLost, the Others would have something to gain by sending Michael back, (if indeed they had him to begin with), to the Losties. They could let him see only what they wanted him too, not many people, few guns, etc., then they could conveniently let him "escape" and he would feed this misinformation to the Losties. The Losties then send a group to attack the Others and the Others could then go into the Losties camp and take HG back. Probably won't happen that way because I usually find I'm wrong about everything on this show!

#207. Posted by: El at April 16, 2006 12:36 PM

Ardie, thanks for the link....I checked out the pics and found nothing of real value on the wall in the healer's "office" though a lot of the pictures on the Uluru wall were blurry and most of the writing was intelligible. Well, dip me in shit and call me stinky! There goes another one of my brilliant theories....

#208. Posted by: Vikki at April 16, 2006 11:02 PM

There is definitely something about the island's healing power. I wouldn't say that Sawyer "healed" from the gunshot wound so quickly and remember, now that he seems to have found an interest in reading anything (except perhaps that Bible?) he has to wear glasses. Why wasn't that healed?
As far as the polar bears, does anyone else remember that Hurly had some comic books in Spanish and Walt was reading and his Dad in anger threw them into the fire and there was a view of some polar bears? Perhaps Hurly, and Walt know the real background of the island.
Regarding the Dharma food, I want to know how did the Dharma food droppers know when, how much food and what type of food would be needed/desired on this island? Was it for the Losties? What about the Others? Was this the first food drop? If not, then perhaps some Others or another Others will come for their food.
And one more question, why is the hatch the Losties have fully operational? What happened to the other hatches. I think the doors came down because the magnetic forces used for the food drop would have messed up the computers - perhaps that is a stretch.
Thanks Mac, great blog this is sooo much fun!!!

#209. Posted by: Mary at April 17, 2006 1:25 AM

Hey, maybe the healing powers of the island have something to do with the fact that the poisonous tree frog never actually poisoned Sawyer or Hurley (yet...)....just an idea....

#210. Posted by: Vikki at April 17, 2006 8:19 AM

Note to Shannon - thanks for the note...I missed the podcast so I didn't know about the nano no-no(sounds like a tele-tubby) theory. Maybe they're all characters in Walt's video game?
Note to Mary - Excellent point about Sawyer and the glasses. Everybody else seems to be getting healed in some fashion (except for those who aren't), and yet Sawyer's vision is failing? Very interesting...

#211. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 17, 2006 10:36 AM

Evan -

Walt was living in Australia with his Mom and Stepfather. When Walt's Mother Died, the stepfather had Michael come to Australia to get him. The stepfather mentioned that 'Odd things' happened when Walt was around... Perhaps Conjouring Polar Bears is one of those things.

Coincidentally Micahel gave Walt a stuffed Polar Bear before Splitting with his Mom.

#212. Posted by: cbailey at April 17, 2006 10:39 AM

During the orientation film, Marvin Candle said that replacements would come every 500 or so days (sorry, don't remember the exact number). If the experiment is ongoing, why send food, but no replacements? And why aren't the others concerned about the replenishment or did they get a supply drop as well. As usual, too many questions, not enough answers.

#213. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 17, 2006 10:49 AM

Maybe posted earlier but here goes: Kate will end up with Sawyer because Kate and Jack (Luke & Lea) are actually brother and sister. Their connection will be revealed by some future back story episode. It will become clear that Kate/Lea, although attracted to Jack/Luke, will realize something is missing. That is when bad boy, but strangely likable Sawyer/Hans will swoop in and make Kate/Lea his own with loyal Jin/Chewy by his side Anyone? Also, It was been noted that George Lucas' love stories have missed the mark both in dialogue and believability that the characters would get together in the first place ala Shannon & Sayid. Who's with me?

#214. Posted by: slore at April 17, 2006 10:55 AM

IcebergSlimm: The replacements were said to arrive every 540 days (that's 108 x 5)

#215. Posted by: Trinity at April 17, 2006 12:21 PM

Zeppo posted a nice recap of why the characters were in Hawaii. I'll add these:

Shannon: shacked up with some guy and tried to con Boone into giving them money
Boone: went to "rescue" Shannon by paying off the boyfriend
Sayid: not directly looking for Nadia. Rather, he was working for the NSC or DOD or CIA or something to infiltrate a terror cell to foil a terrorist plot in Sydney. After he foiled the plot, his handlers would tell him where Nadia was.

On another note, why would everyone completely abandon the SOS signal? It seemed they made a lot of progress in just a day or two. If they just got a few rocks a day, they'd finish it in a couple of weeks. Not all that important, but I figured since they started it, why not finish it?

Also, we saw in this episode a tiny bit more communication between some of the Losties, but not much. Kate finally reveals her discovery of the abandoned medical hatch to Jack (as well as the hobo costumes). We also see Rose and Locke disclosing that they know about each other's sickness and miraculous recovery. (Of course, Rose and Locke only revealed that information to each other, so maybe that doesn't really count). And Charlie revealed to Bernard that he and Eco are building a church, not terribly enlightening. So, my point is (and I know others have posted on this topic) why are they not communicating with each other? You would think that as they started talking about themselves and their pasts, they would discover some of the backstory connections that we are privy to. It just seems that there's a serious lack of open communication among the survivors. They've all got personal histories that they perhaps would prefer to keep secret. Maybe that's why they we're "chosen" -- because they would be less likely to be communicative. Just some food for thought or discussion for the next two weeks.

Last thing, about the replacements coming every 540 days... do we know how long Desmond was in the hatch? Or Kelvin? We could try to determine about when the next batch of replacements are due to arrive. It seems there is some Dharma activity going on (the food drop), so maybe some replacements will somehow show up. Or are the Losties the "replacements" and we're still 470+ days away from new recruits.

#216. Posted by: Bees at April 17, 2006 1:06 PM

Trinity: Thanks. And if my memory serves me correctly, Desmond said he had been there for 3 years pushing the button. So again, why send food and not replacements? Any thoughts?

#217. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 17, 2006 1:15 PM

Maybe the crash survivors are the replacements. Also, I agree that at least one of them would want to complete the S.O.S. Even if they were found, it seems likely that people would be allowed to stay on the island if they chose to do so.

#218. Posted by: DWF at April 17, 2006 2:19 PM

Great recap...so sorry I'm late to the discussion but...
I've been watching the first season over again (I can't get enough of this show) and I'm seeing all kinds of little clues I overlooked the first time that really give me chills.

Example:
During the episode when Michael goes to Australia to pick up Walt after his mother dies, Michael is at the house where Walt, his mom, and the stepfather Brian live. He's waiting for Walt to arrive and he's standing in this room that is strangely shaped. It's hard to tell at first what the shape is but then the camera pans upwards towards Michaels face and you can see from the ceiling that the room is an OCTAGON! Much like the map revealed in "Lockdown". It's even divided into sections with one smaller octagon in the center. The writers for this show are phenomenal.

Example 2: There is something strange going on with rings that I can't exactly 'put my finger on'. Several characters, including Jack's father, Brian (Walt's step-dad)..and someone else that I can't recall at the moment...anyway, they all have these oddly shaped, golden rings on their right hands. Any ideas?

#219. Posted by: J-Rod at April 17, 2006 2:51 PM

J-Rod: Maybe they have some kind of connection to Dharma or the Hanso foundation and the ring is kind of like a fraternity/membership thing. I might be wrong, but that wouldn't suprise me.

#220. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 17, 2006 2:58 PM

One other thing I was wondering about when re-watching the first season: (And I apologize if someone mentioned this already)

In one of Jack's back stories, we see him as a kid who is being held down while a friend of his is being beaten up. Jack is told to stay down but he instead continually tries to get up and gets the snot beaten out of him. Anyway, my point/question is this. In one of Locke's back stories, we see him working at something like a Wal-mart and showing a kid how to set up the game "Mousetrap". Any chance that kid was Jack? Has this already been discussed last season?

#221. Posted by: J-Rod at April 17, 2006 2:59 PM

My wife thinks I'm nuts b/c I analyze the show so closely but I couldn't help wonder at the symbolism of the Otis Redding song that was the motif throughout this episode. "These Arms of Mine". Arms are definately a huge part of this series in every sense of the word. The training video guy has a prosthetic arm....as does the Australian farmer that turns Kate in. And the arms, or weapons, are definately being foreshadowed to play a major role in episodes to come. Okay...so maybe my wife is right.

#222. Posted by: J-Rod at April 17, 2006 3:03 PM

Sorry to post again so quickly but it just occurred to me that Otis Redding, who sang the song "These Arms of Mine", died before his time how? Anyone? Anyone? Yup. A plane crash.

#223. Posted by: J-Rod at April 17, 2006 3:05 PM

It seems as if Locke was trapped in the islands version of "mousetrap" when the blast doors fell.

#224. Posted by: DWF at April 17, 2006 3:10 PM

I think it is safe to say just about anything on this show is a symbolism of some sort.

#225. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 17, 2006 3:30 PM

If desmond was in there for 3years...that is not 540 days....thers 365 in a year so tahts like over a thousand days

#226. Posted by: evan at April 17, 2006 6:13 PM

Couple questions i hpe they answer
1. who were adam even how did they get there
2. Wheres that radio tower
3. more about the black rock mabe
4. What really happend to daniella(french lady)
5. The security system(aka the monster)
6. wheres desomond? hes sweet

o and do u think it was really walt who was talking on the computer to micheal...i mean if u think about it, it could easily be the others. The training video said do not use the comp for communication. well just some thoughts

#227. Posted by: evan at April 17, 2006 6:21 PM

Hey, who wants to bet that Hurley's box company makes the packaging for the Dharma brand foods from the drop?

#228. Posted by: Curtis at April 17, 2006 6:34 PM

Just some thoughts....

If Hurley can have an imaginary friend "Dave", who represents Hurley's dark destructive negative side, why can't Hurley ALSO create another imaginary friend "Libby", who represents his constructive, life-saving, positive side?

Is "Libby" also a creation of Hurley's mind, from the rehab unit to the plane to the new relationship beginning, just as "Dave" voluntarily disappears into the sea?

Has he been conditioned to have both by the doc in the rehab unit? Back to BF Skinner's reward for positive action stuff.....

Is there maybe 2 "Libbys"--one real and one made in Hurley's mind?

These breaks between shows drive me nuts with questions.

#229. Posted by: strontilam at April 17, 2006 7:18 PM

In the lost-media.com site where you can view still shots of each episode, there is a shot where Rose or Bernard is holding an Enquirer-esque magazine, and in the top right corner there is a headline that reads "I became an instant millionaire"....maybe that's Hurley?

#230. Posted by: Vikki at April 17, 2006 7:29 PM

slore - that was a very funny Stars Wars-ish coverage. Loved it.

jrod - keep posting, very interesting stuff. I am now convinced that I really do need to buy the DVDs. Wow.

Curtis - Hurley didn't work at the box company, that was Locke.

#231. Posted by: Mary at April 17, 2006 10:43 PM

hurley owned stocke in lockes box company

#232. Posted by: evan at April 17, 2006 11:04 PM

The ABC Lost site says the next episode, "Reckoning", airs next Wednesday, 4/26/06, but has no summary. It says check back soon for for information about this all new episode. Is this really a new episode? I'm thinking it's probably one of those recap shows to get everyone up to speed on the story thus far as they move into the final series of episodes to end the season. Anyone have any info on this?

#233. Posted by: Bees at April 18, 2006 10:19 AM

As far as I know the new episode will be the beginning of May. I HATE the weeks this show isn't on. Sometimes I wait up until the show and then it's a rerun!

Libby is real. There is no evidence that she was made up by Hurley because everyone else ses her too. Someone (Sawyer maybe) hinted around to him that she may be interested, or vice versa.

I really am starting to believe that Walt is pivotal to this thing. Strange though that they haven't had him on in a while though. Walt is the key. He had the "powers" before he left.

#234. Posted by: Meg at April 18, 2006 11:27 AM

On the lost website it says that "Reckoning" May 26th is an all new episode and to wait to see the details!

#235. Posted by: aDaMsKi at April 18, 2006 1:41 PM

Libby is definitely real. Sawyer flirted with her before they met the other Losties when they were on the other side of the island. There is no way Hurley could have concocted that, and besides, no one else was seeing Dave, everyone sees Libby. Hurley does have the shoe, or he thinks he does, but the whole "Libby is made up" idea is hooey.

#236. Posted by: aDaMsKi at April 18, 2006 1:46 PM

http://television.aol.com/feature/lost_tv

You were right, "Reckoning" is a recap!

#237. Posted by: aDaMsKi at April 18, 2006 1:54 PM

Big surprise, more reruns. Well it's better than the show being canceled.

#238. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 18, 2006 2:07 PM

Here's something I found interesting.
It's a page out of the TV Guide:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/Zilarko/lost41806.jpg

Would be nice to have a season of no re-runs like 24 does, but that just means longer between seasons, maybe.

#239. Posted by: Zeppo at April 18, 2006 2:30 PM

I haven't read any of the comments yet, but I just had go ahead and post!!

MAC, that was one of THE FUNNIEST "key Points" I have read yet!!!!!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!

I'm still laughing about soooo many of your comments! Here are a few of my favorites:


1. "Thankfully -- no really, THANKFULLY -- the pissing match abruptly ends when Jack and Kate suddenly arrive at the "Invisible Line of Violent Demarcation."

2. "Now, it's entirely possible Jack misinterpreted this comment -- perhaps the bearded Other was being metaphorical, or maybe he was referring to the Mason-Dixon Line, or the Greenwich Mean Time Line, or that funny line you get at the bridge of your nose when you're thinking too hard --"

3. The entire paragraph describing Locke's tedious day!

4. "The Frogurt Guy"... "If I were him, I'd let the monster eat me."

And finally, I'm sure that if Isaac/Captin Picard would have had "Number One" there with him, Rose would have been helping Bernard put the rocks on the beach herself!!

This was a great review, not that they aren't all great, but I will be enjyoing this one throughout this next long break in episodes! Excellent job, Mac!! THANK YOU!!

#240. Posted by: karen at April 18, 2006 2:31 PM

So, this "new" episode is a recap? That's just great, that they spend time to re-edit and tell us what we already know, rather than focus on new episodes! If you work for the show and are reading this, do us all a favor and pass this message along: LAME!!!

But we'll all still watch, won't we... (sighs)

#241. Posted by: The Duf at April 18, 2006 2:47 PM

Anyone still think HG is him? I don't know. I'm starting to buy into the theory that the others are not all connected. There might be factions just like with the survivors. Maybe that's why experiment went bad, because everyone did not have the same idea of a utopian society. I think this island has to do with some kind of life extension project from dharma. Maybe that's why the others wear theatrical make up, to appear their actual age. Don't know what purpose that would serve though. Just some thoughts.

#242. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 18, 2006 3:08 PM

Ok I know this is 1000% of topic, but has anyone considered the name Dharma, and what it stands for? The religious implications seem connected to the storylines. Many of the characters seem to have been very self-focused prior to the crash, and in desperate need of looking at things from a different perspective, as Dharma advocates.

Also, is there any possibility that the diagram Locke saw in the hatch is actually a representation of the Dharma Wheel?

#243. Posted by: JR at April 18, 2006 3:23 PM

I for one love the re-caps. They are new shows that give us new information about the characters. Stuff we thought we knew but a little more or even somethings totally off the wall. I can't wait.

#244. Posted by: cmonroe at April 18, 2006 3:58 PM

Cmonroe, recaps DO NOT give us any new information. They recap all the old information we already know.
And I have never known a recap to be "off the wall"..
Do you work for ABC?

#245. Posted by: Sabrina at April 18, 2006 4:19 PM

"Reckoning" is what's commonly referred to as a 'clip show'. The term used to be 'box and clip', as in 'pull the tapes out of a box, clip out the good scenes, and splice them together into a 'best-of' or retrospective piece'. Industry standards allow this to be advertised as a 'new' episode, but that's what it is. It's also: (i) a budget-saver, and (ii) a way to set up sweeps month by giving new viewers an opportunity to feel their up to speed on the world of "Lost".

#246. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 18, 2006 4:19 PM

NO, I don't work for ABC. I just love LOST and even the recaps.

#247. Posted by: cmonroe at April 18, 2006 5:09 PM

To the ones who said something about ' Vainilla Sky'...PLEASE do not watch it, it's a very bad version of the original ' Abre los ojos' (Open your eyes) from Alejandro Amenábar...much better in all the possible ways...
I once read that Libby might be a compulsive liar and maybe that's why she really believes she's a real clinical psychologist.
But I think that she wants something from Hurley and it is not the peanut butter.
Keep entertaining us, Mac!

#248. Posted by: drusylla at April 18, 2006 6:13 PM

they had one of those episodes in season one..it was called like lost revelation or somthing

#249. Posted by: evan at April 18, 2006 6:17 PM

The recap episode may not give any new info, but it will probably give us new insight and I think it's purpose is to draw the show's faithful watchers in a certain direction or mind set before finishing off the season. Maybe the show's producers feel that, with all of our wild theories and speculations, we need a recap episode to get us back on track and in focus with the true direction in which the show is going.

And, I repeat, is there really such a thing as a bad or lame episode of 'Lost'? No friggin' way!

#250. Posted by: curtis at April 18, 2006 7:26 PM

Hmmmm. I'll agree with the premis that Libby is a compulsive liar. Anyone could've done the 'hypnotizing' thing she did with Claire. We've all seen similar stuff on TV dozens of times, so she could've faked her way through it easily- especially with Claire wanting to believe it was going to work and wanting to remember that stuff. The power of suggestion can do a lot.

We know it's too good to be true and Libby has an alterior motive with Hurley...looking forward to finding out what it is.

#251. Posted by: JoePike at April 19, 2006 9:13 AM

I disagree about Libby being a compulsive liar. There is no such thing. In fact, I was just discussing that very thing last night with my wife, uh, M-m-m-m-organ Fairchild. Yeah! That's the ticket! It was in the back of, uh, our stretch limo! Yeah! Our stretch Hummer, actually! And we were on our way home from the Pulitzer Prize awards! Yeah! That's what it was alright.

#252. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 19, 2006 10:10 AM

LOL

#253. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at April 19, 2006 12:35 PM

Forgive me if any of this has been gone over before, but I'm fairly new to this, and may have stumbled on to something interesting. Or not. Anyway, the religious overtones to this show are painfully obvious; for example, Locke's crossword puzzle (see http://lost.cubit.net) where (his answer to 42 down) the word "Gilgamesh" is clearly shown as Locke's answer to the clue ("Enkidu's friend") where the answer should be "Scripture". So naturally this led me to look for clues in the Bible. My first choice was, of course, the Book of Numbers, but I couldn't find anything relevant, and it only has 36 chapters. I did, however, notice that the Book of Job has 42 (one of The Numbers) chapters. Job is a wealthy pious man who loses everything but does not complain. He finally recovers his attitude of humility and trust in God by his experience of suffering. Sound familiar? Yeah. Is this relevant? Maybe. Am I seeing something that isn't really there? Probably.

#254. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 19, 2006 12:50 PM

BTW...HOTP...according to Reuters...

"Lost" star Watros gets "Life" in CBS pilot (By Nellie Andreeva Wed Apr 19, 2:50 AM ET)

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "Lost" co-star Cynthia Watros will join Tom Cavanagh in CBS' comedy pilot "My Ex-Life," a casting move that raises speculation about her future in ABC's hit castaway drama.

...Doesn't bode well for Libby...

#255. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 19, 2006 1:57 PM

Well, they DID say they were killing a few...

Seems pretty rotten to Hurley though. :/

#256. Posted by: The Duf at April 19, 2006 2:05 PM

Maybe Libby's true intentions are going to be revealed and she is subsequently killed. I keep hearing that there are going to be some strange twists before the season is over.

#257. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 19, 2006 2:12 PM

What the hell happened to the monsters in the jungle? And that smoke monster, what's up with that? Is that going to be some lame "Who Shot J.R.?" kind of thing that we all are supposed to act like it didn't happen?

#258. Posted by: Mike at April 19, 2006 2:53 PM

Back to the issue of the island's healing powers....seems like a common theme to all of the losties is that they were all NEEDED healing before the crash, some physical, some emotional. Locke needed to walk. Jin and Sun were having marital problems, not the least of which was the fact that Jin was shooting blanks. Jack having relationship problems with his father. Hurley with the eating problem/blaming himself for the balcony crash. Kate's problems with the law. Sawyer's a mess all around. Charlie's drug problem. Claire's fears of being a good mother. Rose's cancer (or whatever it was). Michael and Walt's relationship problems. The list goes on. Seems to me like the point of the crash was FATE bringing them all to the island for whatever healing they needed. Maybe the same thing happened with the Others and they are afraid that the new losties are somehow going to screw up their paradise? Just a thought....

#259. Posted by: socompletelylost at April 19, 2006 3:03 PM

I wonder if Michael coming out of the woods might be the "Others" releasing him as the first half of a trade for Henry. This would be an unlikely goodwill gesture on behalf of the "Others", but it might suggest that they highly value Henry and are trying to be resonable, at least until they can get Henry back.

#260. Posted by: Chris Pratt at April 19, 2006 4:44 PM

Maybe Henry doesn't want to go back to the others, it's possible he has his own agenda. He definitely has something up his sleeve.

#261. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at April 19, 2006 4:52 PM

you know, all these theories are so funky that I am starting to think all of YOU guys are the 'Others'. I am almost believing that the Island is not actually an island but really everyone's unconscious 'Freudian' sexual feelings towards.....well you get my drift. he he. but seriously folks I am as addicted to Lost as my cat is to fresh picked catnip on a dewy spring morning. The important thing is admitting it and moving on with life (until the next Lost episodes appears at least, then I will morph back into my usual Lost drone slave that I am).

#262. Posted by: lostinmythoughts at April 19, 2006 11:06 PM

I was reading the transcript of last episode and when Bernard is talking with Hurley, several new names of losties come up. In addition to the one Mac mentioned, Neil (the Frogurt guy), there's Jenkins, Craig, Richard, and Rolf.

#263. Posted by: Ardie at April 20, 2006 12:29 AM

I'll repeat that I don't think this season's mystery diary writer on the ABC website is Rose. First, if it was her, she would have mentioned Bernard in the diary by now. Second, we haven't heard her mention a brother. And third, the latest paragraph in the diary has in it "All I know is that I don't intend to spend the rest of my life on this God forsaken-rock with out my brother". But now know that Rose does want to spend the rest of her life on this island.

So like last season, the diary writer must be one of the background losties who we don't even know the name of. And if "this brother" is the real Henry Gale, it's probably the black woman we've seen in the last two episodes. She was standing next to Claire while Benard explained his plan to build an S.O.S. sign.

#264. Posted by: Ardie at April 20, 2006 12:39 AM

Oh yea, and concerning Michael. I find it hard to believe that he was able to survive in the jungle all alone for 11 or 12 days. I don't think he has the know how of fending for himself for that long. Why wouldn't he have returned to the beach after the first few days? Maybe he was captured and brain-washed so that now he is working for the Others.

#265. Posted by: Ardie at April 20, 2006 12:47 AM

And another one bites the dust?

Try as the Lost writers might to keep a lid on series-shifting spoilers, when one of its stars is tapped to join another TV show, it would seem that person's fate on the island is pretty much sealed.

(SPOILER ALERT: If you aren't interested in hearing about a possible death on Lost, read no further. And avoid the Internet for the next four weeks.)

Read the full story at E! Online:
http://elfurl.com/i6hg2

[Editor's Note: Please do not post full stories from other sites. This is copyright infringment, and, beyond that, it doesn't benefit the original site. You are welcome to post excerpts and links.]

#266. Posted by: Scott at April 20, 2006 10:55 AM

Sorry...

OK. Libby will die this season. She is now doing a show for CBS. Sorry for the spoiler but it still keeps me wondering.

#267. Posted by: Scott at April 20, 2006 11:29 AM

WOW, Mr Pants....no need to get your PANTies in a twist! : )

#268. Posted by: socompletelylost at April 20, 2006 12:13 PM

No, you didn't sound too shouty, I just thought it was a great play on words between your user name and my comment.....maybe I should either get a life or change my user name to "suchacompleteloser".

#269. Posted by: socompletelylost at April 20, 2006 2:11 PM

Did we ever find out why Locke was in a wheelchair? Was there a flashback episode that covered that?
Have there been any flashbacks for Libby? I really think they are going to make her death into some cruel twisted joke on Hurley. Maybe Hurley will eventually think he made her up.

#270. Posted by: Meg at April 20, 2006 2:25 PM

Did we ever find out why Locke was in a wheelchair? Was there a flashback episode that covered that?
Have there been any flashbacks for Libby? I really think they are going to make her death into some cruel twisted joke on Hurley. Maybe Hurley will eventually think he made her up.

#271. Posted by: Meg at April 20, 2006 2:26 PM

1. No, we still don't know why John was in a wheelchair. Guessing the thugs his dad burned are a likely source, but no proof as of yet.

2. Libby flashbacks... hmm, I don't think so. I certainly don't remember any. IF they are going to provide any, it will probably happen in the same episode where she... well, you know...

#272. Posted by: The Duf at April 20, 2006 3:45 PM

What does SOS stand for? I know it is a "mayday, mayday" call, but what does it mean? (Sorry, if i sound so stupid.)

#273. Posted by: cmonroe at April 20, 2006 4:09 PM

Although many people think that “S.O.S.” stands for something like “Save Our Ship” or “Save Our Souls”, “S.O.S.” really means nothing. It was adopted as the uniform distress signal at the Second Berlin Radiotelegraphic Conference in 1906. It was chosen because the three dot / three dash / three dot radio signal is easy to distinguish.

. . . - - - . . .

Basically, “S.O.S.” means to immediately stop doing whatever you are doing and to respond to the distress signal.

#274. Posted by: vacc at April 20, 2006 4:26 PM

Thanks, I thought it was something like the "Save Our Souls" thing and therefore would add a little more of the Biblical side to the show. Seems as thought if you were "LOST" you would need to be "SAVED".

#275. Posted by: cmonroe at April 20, 2006 4:34 PM

Mr. Pants said, "Smoke monster = co-pilot eating monster = jungle-shaking, chain-rattling monster?? I don't believe it."

Well...I kind of do believe it. We heard the jungle-shaking and chain rattling when the pilot was grabbed. We also heard the jungle-shaking and chain-rattling right as Eko encountered the 'smoke monster'. So I think they are all one and the same, or at least are all part of the 'island security system' unit.

But I'm still disappointed... Ever since Season One Episode One I was hoping to see the monster as some 40 ft. hairy Bigfoot type creature!

#276. Posted by: JoePike at April 21, 2006 9:29 AM

Maybe the monster is just their inner fears, and each one sees it differently or through the eye of the one experiencing the terror??

#277. Posted by: Meg at April 21, 2006 11:02 AM

Hi guys, I'd like to make a couple points;
With Cynthia signed on to do another show, it certainly looks like curtains for Libby. The last episodes of the season have been scheduled already and do not include a Libby-Flashback (though there's no word on the finale yet, and last season, they did a little flash-back for everyone then, so maybe we'll see something of her, if she makes it that long).

Also, people complain an awful lot about repeats... Lost makes 23 episodes a season (not including our little clip shows) and the last episide will be 2 hours (as it was last year). That is the same (if not more) number of episodes as every other prime-time series. We don't see anymore repeats than anyone else, it's just that it seems like that becuase of the way the story is set up, it's like every episode is a cliff-hanger and we're feening for the next new show.
I'm with you all; the repeats bother me too, I wish we could have a season 35 episodes long, or at least have a season with 23 continuous new episodes, but that's just not going to happen and we just have to accept it an move on with our lives. Look at it this way, each repeat week gives us time to re-watch our old favorites, look for new clues, and post more comments. Nothing wrong with that!

For the remainder of the season (from what I understand) we get an Anna Lucia Episode, an Eko episode, a Michael episode (like Claire's recent episode, this will consist of island flashbacks; what happened whil he was gone those 11 days) then the two-hour season finale which won't focus on a single person (presumably).

On a personal side-note, I will be seeing Pearl Jam in concert the night of the season finale. This will be the first time I'll miss the Original Airing of a new episode. I'm devestated, but I'm sure Eddie Vedder will make me forget about the Island for a little while.

#278. Posted by: sarah at April 21, 2006 2:46 PM

In regards to what S.O.S stands for I have also heard it meaning: "Send Out Service."

#279. Posted by: Hunter MacLean at April 21, 2006 3:13 PM

sarah,

I'm so jealous you're seeing Pearl Jam! I don't think I'm going to make it this time around.....but I will be watching Lost! (Some solace.)

#280. Posted by: AmyK at April 21, 2006 3:24 PM

sarah,

It is my understanding from the articles floating around that the finale will be Desmond-centric.

#281. Posted by: Shannon at April 21, 2006 4:37 PM

Finally... I reached the end of the string! Here's a few ideas that I don't think I saw above.

* Has anyone figured out what the new numbers stand for?(from the food drop). 4 6 15 16 23 42 were for the last group - with Ethan, Goodwin & Zeke(possibly Henry as well). The 4-42 sequence called them out for replacements or returning "children".

* The numbers are new - The Dharma Initiative knows that the "swan" post has been compromised - Desmond went to them. Now they need a new control number.

* Desmond wanted to avoid the sickness that the new group might pick up from the beach or from going too far into the island getting unsafe levels of magnetic energy.

* The hatch was compromised allowing "the sickness" in - the reason for the quarrentine. Hence Desmond took off like he was on fire only turning back for a moment to talk briefly with Jack.

* Desmond took some of the ""vaccine" with him - was that to ensure he didn't get sick on his sprint to Dharma?
**** Mac, I bow to your inspiration - I'm not worthy....

#282. Posted by: katpaws at April 21, 2006 9:15 PM

Finally... I reached the end of the string! Here's a few ideas that I don't think I saw above.

* Has anyone figured out what the new numbers stand for?(from the food drop). 4 8 15 16 23 42 were for the last group - with Ethan, Goodwin & Zeke(possibly Henry as well). The 4-42 sequence called them out for replacements or returning "children".

* The numbers are new - The Dharma Initiative knows that the "swan" post has been compromised - Desmond went to them. Now they need a new control number.

* Desmond wanted to avoid the sickness that the new group might pick up from the beach or from going too far into the island getting unsafe levels of magnetic energy.

* The hatch was compromised allowing "the sickness" in - the reason for the quarrentine. Hence Desmond took off like he was on fire only turning back for a moment to talk briefly with Jack.

* Desmond took some of the ""vaccine" with him - was that to ensure he didn't get sick on his sprint to Dharma?
**** Mac, I bow to your inspiration - I'm not worthy....

#283. Posted by: katpaws at April 21, 2006 9:18 PM

AUUGGHHHTT ! How do I edit instead of post again? I can't believe I let "6" sneak by.....

#284. Posted by: katpaws at April 21, 2006 9:19 PM

Was there a new episode this past week? (I missed it)

#285. Posted by: HurleyIsHot at April 22, 2006 1:56 PM

nope, no new episode was on this week and not even a repeat. Next week is a 'recap' show again I think.

#286. Posted by: Jenine Sjoblom at April 22, 2006 9:36 PM

Something that has been bugging me I dont believe it has been mentioned before, who buried the real Henry Gale?
It seemed to me someone took a degree of care in his burial.
Perhaps another indication of 'good' in the others.

#287. Posted by: Lizzy at April 23, 2006 11:28 AM

The fake Henry either helped bury him or somehow knew his name and his hometown. I believe all the information he gave could have came off if the real Henry's driver license.

But, the care given his burial site could indicate more of a connection. The others may have connections with each other or even some of the crash survivors just as there are connections in the past between the crash survivors.

#288. Posted by: DWF at April 23, 2006 12:49 PM

I'm sorry, who is Desmond again? For the life of me I can't place him. Is he one of the "others"?

#289. Posted by: Meg at April 23, 2006 2:47 PM

Desmond is the guy who was down the hatch this question has been bugging me since episode 3 was shown desmond said that itwas him and his mate right now he said that his friend died how excalty where his his body was instructions did he give desmond before he went.

Here is my theory about the map that Mr.Locke saw i think it was desmonds friend who drew the map think about it desmonds frien is down the hatch all alone now the system is about to go into lockdown now he gathers all the stuff he needs and stays in the main room while the lockdown is on now he starts to draw the map maybe to make the time go by because ther was a circle from the sawn saying I AM HERE now either it was desmond who wrote the map or his friend i wont to know what you guys think yes and you mac well im off now happy guessing :)

#290. Posted by: Alex at April 23, 2006 4:49 PM

I'm pretty new to this blog thing, so don't shoot me if I say something that's been overdebated already.

Just a thought. What if The Island's healing energy is also the reason why Ethan was so strong. It's just that he had been exposed to it longer than the "losties".

If this is correct, Faux Henry and the rest of the Others should also have the same great strength.

Might as well be myself who rule out my own idea, so what then about Rosseau, and how about the "other" Ana killed, and the ones Eko killed? To defend myself it might be that Ethan (and Fake Henry?) have been on the Island longer than the ones I mentioned. But this would probably mean a great deal of time considering that the guy Ana killed said he was in the Peace Corps, or whatever outdated thing it was. And anyway the Dharma tapes, and Ethan's medical skills/equipment can't be that old. Eh.. Starting to wonder if I should post this rubbish, but what the hey. At least I think the start was an interesting idea, and the rest a good way of killing it.

If anyone got anything to comment on my ramblings, please go ahead

Great reviews btw

#291. Posted by: Gulbrand at April 23, 2006 8:46 PM

Gulbrand: Ethan certainly appeared to have super strength, so I think you're definitely on to something. Lord only knows how (or even if) it comes to pass, but at this point, I think all theories have worth. The only people who know are the writers!

And on top of that, I've got a soft spot for people who start a theory and then find a way to counter-act that very same theory a few sentences later. I do that all the time! You should see some of the ridiculous early edits of the reviews -- there are theories and allusions in there that make absolutely no sense! -- Mac

#292. Posted by: mac at April 23, 2006 9:10 PM

could faux henry be desmond's mia partner? how did desmond know for sure he was dead?
mac is the new revamp going to have pictures of the writers? we've had 8 years together and i have no idea what you look like! lol

#293. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at April 24, 2006 1:17 AM

Gulbrand --

Ethan's strength (and the other Others' lack thereof) has bothered me for some time now. But remember, Jack did bow up on Ethan and ended up beating him around a good bit at one point in Season 1.

So, maybe its not super strength, just heightened a bit??? And the fact that it was just Ethan is related to some Dharma experiment he was a part of, but the other Others were not??? Or maybe the strength was temporary, due to some injection or something?

I have long wondered why no one else on this blog delved into this topic; has someone come up with something good theory or argument against it? Maybe -- like me -- no one has developed a good enought theory to post. Touche'.

#294. Posted by: BELost at April 24, 2006 2:18 PM

A few things about why some of the losties were on the flight:

1) I thought Jin and Sun were on their way to California and had a stop over in Sydney, but I don't know if I just made that up in my head (quote possible, my head is a scary place) or if there was concrete evidence to back that up. Anyone?

2) Why does everyone seem to think that Locke was also in Australia to go see Cap'n Picard (I know, I know, it isn't REALLY Patrick Stewart)? Was there any evidence to confirm/suggest that or was that just speculation on our part?

#295. Posted by: socompletelylost at April 24, 2006 3:50 PM

Check this out from USAToday, Monday April 24. The global online "Lost Experience". As if none of has a real life -- which by the way may be very true...

#296. Posted by: BELost at April 24, 2006 4:03 PM

guess the url link didn't work. lets try that again...
http://elfurl.com/5abjr

#297. Posted by: BELost at April 24, 2006 4:04 PM

Socompletelylost:
It's pure speculation that Locke went to see the Picard-like faith healer dude. Someone brought it up a while ago and others ran with it, but there hasn't been even a hint of that being true on the show. And I don't think it's true either. I think he was in Australia for the Walkabout (or whatever it was called) and that's it.

#298. Posted by: JoePike at April 25, 2006 8:42 AM

I don't think Ethan had any "special" strength that you, I, or Jack cannot obtain. IMO, Ethan was just trained, by a government, in forms of combat. Take, for example, Navy Seals -- tough mo'fos that'll kick your ass any time any day. Extra "special" strength? No. Special tough training? Yes.

I think you guys are looking into Lost a bit too much.

#299. Posted by: schiano at April 25, 2006 10:55 AM

Okay…another stupid theory from the cheap seats…does anyone remember an episode of the original Star Trek show…the one with the Roman-types who had special powers? Kirk & Co. beamed down and made friends with a dwarf (no disrespect intended if that is not the politically-correct term of choice) who had also portrayed Dr. Loveless on Wild Wild West. The Enterprisies were forced to do very demeaning things against their will by the "Romans", including Spock & McCoy acting like marionettes, and Kirk & Uhura got credit for the first inter-racial kiss on television (even though they didn't actually kiss - Shatner's an ass…she was hot). McCoy figured out it was the food they were eating and the effect it had on their pituitary glands. Since Dr. Loveless's pituitary gland was not able to produce the requisite hormone, McCoy whipped up some brain-juice in his handy MixMaster Tri-corder, and then our heroes whupped the Toga-and-sandal (don't know if they were Birkenstocks or not…they didn't look like lesbians) crowd. So to get to the long-awaited point…could this Dharma-food endow the people who eat it with special abilities? And that's why the Others don't want to share? I didn't think so either…it's just that this theorizing business is so much more fun than actually working...

#300. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 25, 2006 1:45 PM

I wonder if Locke & Jack should ask Henry if he knows where Desmond is. Maybe they could mention Kelvin's name too. See what they can find out.

I think i could be a better interogator than they have been and i'm just a curious bystander. You'd think a NYC Police Officer and an Iraqi Communications Officer could figure out that the torture thing isn't getting them very far. Try being nice for a change and just asking what you want. Then take everything he says with a grain of salt because, "He will lie, for a long time HE WILL LIE."

#301. Posted by: cmonroe at April 25, 2006 1:50 PM

Henry did ask Locke and Jack where the cereal came from when they invited him to sit and eat with them in the kitchen. They said it was there already in the hatch when they got there. Then he said something like, he certainly would be asking more questions about the food and all else before just taking it for granted.

Maybe your right about the food "feeding" the experiments.

#302. Posted by: cmonroe at April 25, 2006 1:58 PM

The food theory is interesting, but if it had special powers and the Others were trying to prevent the Losties from having it, don't you think they would have taken the drop shipment out of plain view before the Losties could get to it? At the very least, they would have guarded it, or attacked the Losties once they had control of it. Although, fake HG did seem awfully interested in it. I chalked that up to him playing mind games with them, a la did he or did he not push the button? Things that make you go hmmmmm......

#303. Posted by: socompletelylost at April 25, 2006 3:01 PM

Gulbrand you idea about ethans super strength is very interesting lets just say that the isalnd is giving ethan his strength what if the island is also giving Mr.Locke some of is powers i mean a guy who was in a wheel chair for 4 years then sudenly and walk again is a bit off. Also its not just Locke who is getting these healing power is rose i missed a bit of S.O.S but i catched that she was ill of some kind and that the island has healed her.

So there you go 3 island miracles. What do you guys think

#304. Posted by: Alex at April 27, 2006 6:25 PM

One of the notes on the Blast Door has been deciphered as reading "...accelerated de-territorialisation of Ursus Maritumus Maritums through gene therapy....".

I've not seen it mentioned, but:

1) in vivo somatic gene therapy is the modification of a host genome by the insertion/substitution of genetic material - whilst gene therapy can be used to help polar bears live it up on a desert island, it can also be used to treat genetic disorders in humans;

2) traditionally, retroviruses and adenoviruses have been engineered to insert/substitute genetic material - this strongly suggests that a virus was developed for the polar bear experiments;

3) by necessity, the transmission vector would need to be infectious; and

4) mutation of the vector virus could conceivably allow transmission between species (i.e. bears and humans).


If this were the case we would have (a) a candidate for the killer disease that seems to have affected earlier groups on the island and (b) a rational explanation for the healings (including Rose's cancer (essentially a disease arising from a genetic defect/mutation) and Locke's spinal cord (see Christopher Reeve/superman).


#305. Posted by: MattC at April 28, 2006 5:44 AM

Oh, and excuse the spelling/grammar...

#306. Posted by: MattC at April 28, 2006 5:52 AM

Hey everyone ...

You might want to check out this article in the Los Angelest Times (Fri. 4/28 ed). It's called "Maybe it all adds up online".

http://www.calendarlive.com/tv

#307. Posted by: LostFan at April 28, 2006 12:44 PM

MattC: If I understood half of what you said, I might agree or disagree.....you completely lost me (no pun intended). It sort of sounds like you are saying someone on the island was using genetic engineering to allow the polar bear to live in the tropics. If that's the case, is it possible the children are "good people" and wanted by the others for their genes? #3 and #4 are Greek to me. Please translate into plain English for us bc it sounds like you might be on to something.

#308. Posted by: socompletlylost at April 28, 2006 2:08 PM

socompletlylost - sorry about that - got a bit carried away...

All I meant was that we know for certain gene therapy was used (as noted on the blast doors)

Gene therapy is essential tinkering with the DNA of a living multi-cellular organism - i.e instead of changing the DNA in a single cell or bacterium and then culturing lots of other cells from it, you change every cell in an organism.

To change a trillion cells in one go, it's easiest to use an infectious virus - the virus infecta a cell, inserts its DNA into the those cells, the cell produces new virii from it's altered DNA and the new virii go on to infect other cells...as happens with a common cold...

The DNA that is inserted can be engineered to modify the way the cell works, the proteins it produces, the way it reproduces etc etc and is used today to treat genetic disorders e.g cystic fibrosis and muscular dystrophy...and could conceivably (in the future) be used to regenerate damaged tissues and/or treat cancer (though at the moment, leukemia/cancer can be a side effect of treatment)

Anyway, gene therapy pretty much means virus. A virus can mutate and cross species barriers (e.g current bird flu concern, e.g SIV (simians) to HIV (humans) etc etc...

So you've now got an (infectious) virus inserting DNA into humans that was meant for bears - it could be a benefit (i.e healing/tissue repair) or it it could be harmful (i.e illness/death) or both...

It would explain the polar bears, the mystery illness, the quarantine, the vaccines all in one go...


#309. Posted by: MattC at April 29, 2006 11:29 AM

The virus idea doesn't explain any other mysteries e.g numbers, magnetic anomolies, security system, the ESP themes etc etc...but my guess is that babies were required for research as they had yet to be infected (and were thus good test subjects for possible innoculations) and Walt becuase he is resistant? The latter would explain why the Others would never give up Walt...

of course, I could be talking out my @rse... genetics is not my thing (though, apparently, sounding like a spod is).

#310. Posted by: MattC at April 29, 2006 12:01 PM

nice little interview with adewale akinnuoye-agbaje here:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1764460,00.html

#311. Posted by: ray at April 30, 2006 6:12 AM

I think the connection with the polar bears has been understated on the Island.

Polar bears are found in only one place in the world, the North Pole. Consequently, polar bears have no natural enemies, that is nothing that lives indigenously in the North Pole can kill a polar bear and eat it.

Found this little tidbit online researching polar bears.
Ursus maritimus is Latin - "Ursus" means "bear" and "maritimus" means "sea". Thus "Ursus maritimus" can be translated into "bear of the sea".

On an detailed picture of the map Locke saw when the purple lights came on it states, "Stated Goal Repatriation Accelerated De-Territorialization of Ursus Maritus Through Gene Therapy and Extreme Climate Change."

Could this be the reason why polar bears have been seen on the island?

#312. Posted by: Lost Lostie at May 1, 2006 5:54 PM

THIS NEXT PART IS FROM HOWARD STERN'S WEBSITE. JJ ABRAMS WAS ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING. READ TO THE END. KINDA COOL ABOUT THE 4 PEOPLE.

J.J. noted he came up with the idea for “Lost” and pitched it to ABC execs and they liked it so much they gave him four days to write an outline for it. J.J. reported once he did that, he was told he had to write the pilot for the show, cast it and shoot the pilot within 11 weeks. J.J. added he and the other writers knew where they wanted the show to go from the start, although he admitted adjustments are always being made. J.J. also commented that only four people know how the program will end, although he couldn’t guess when that time will come.

#313. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 1, 2006 6:16 PM

Hey Mac,
24 was damn entertaing tonight. I don't think it is suffering from anything.
...of course i still favor Lost


"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#314. Posted by: thinng at May 2, 2006 2:03 AM

...sorry, ... I'm eating grapes

#315. Posted by: thinng at May 2, 2006 2:07 AM

wheres the review from last night

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