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Key Points from "Two for the Road"

Season 2, Episode 20
Episode Air Date: 05/03/06

Point 1
Michael

Jak

Kate

Biggest ... twist ... ever.

Anyone who saw this one coming should have their own psychic network. Throughout all the spoilers and all the details and all the little clues that pile up over the course of a "Lost" season, not one person -- NOT ONE -- predicted the events of this episode.

And if you didn't see the episode ... whoooeee are you in for a treat (be warned because massive, ridiculous, ungodly HUGE SPOILERS LIE AHEAD!)

So let's get to it!

We begin where we left off: in the jungle.

You'll recall that the last episode culminated with Michael's unexpected return from his Other expedition. He stumbled through the deep, dark woods, panting like an asthmatic without an inhaler, eventually collapsing in front of Jack and Kate (who were approximately two seconds from getting full-on jiggy before Mikey arrived -- thwarted again!).

As this episode opens, Jack throws Michael's unconscious (but living) body over his shoulder and he and Kate promptly make their way back to the hatch.

Now, Michael is unconscious for the first half of this episode, so we're going to forget about him for a while and recap the other major events. Don't worry, we'll come back to Mike. Oh my, will we ever come back (how's that for a tease?).

In the meantime, let's turn our attention to ...

Point 2
Ana-Lucia

Henry Gale

Sawyer
... Ana-Lucia.

The majority of this week's program is dedicated to the island's resident sneerer, which is slightly unexpected since Ana hasn't played a huge role lately. Her most recent contribution was the discovery of Henry Gale's alleged balloon in "Lockdown," but beyond that she's been relegated to occasional sneers at random castaways and uncomfortable flirting with Jack.

But in this episode, Ana is front and center (you might even say "dead center" ... ahem).

This week, Ana's storyline begins in the hatch. We see Locke nestled all snug in his bed; Henry Gale nestled all snug in his ... uh ... armory; And Ana is sneering, alone.

With Locke snoring in the other room, Ana quietly cracks the armory door and walks in with a plate of food for Henry. The food isn't really necessary since Henry is mired in a deep hunger strike, but Ana enjoys taunting the Other with Dharma flakes and Dharma crispy rice treats and Dharma fruit cocktail (the cherry has a Dharma logo).

Ana, who's restless because she hasn't shot anyone in weeks, decides to toy with Henry's emotions. She leans on the armory counter and tells Henry that in her years as a cop, she always was surprised at the talkative nature of killers. They love to ramble on and on. But Henry, Ana says, is different. He's quiet.

Henry, bound, bruised and bloody, mumbles something under his breath ("Blue Crush sucked ...")

Ana leans in. "If you're gonna say something, you're gonna have to ... "

WHACK!

Henry slams his hands into Ana's throat, rocketing her backwards. He leaps up and locks Ana's neck in a choke hold.

"You killed two of us," Henry snarls. "Good people who were leaving you alone. [SLAM! CRACK!] You're the killer Ana-Lucia."

Henry slings Ana onto the armory cot. Her breathing sputters and her eyes roll back. Angry glee washes over Henry's face as he watches Ana lose consciousness.

THUNK!

Suddenly, Henry's head snaps forward as Locke unloads a massive blow with his crutch. Henry falls to the floor, unconscious. Ana gasps for breath as Locke stands over her.

"I guess he decided to start talkin', huh?" Locke says with a smile. (Obi-Locke rules!)

As we wait for Ana to regain her composure (and her sex drive -- more on that in a bit), we'll turn our attention to Ana's sneering backstory.

In this episode's backstory segments, we see/hear/learn:

  • You'll recall that back in "Collision" we learned that Ana was shot by a perp during a burglary. Ana survived (duh), but the baby she was carrying did not. Ana exacted revenge months later when the same criminal was caught for a different crime and Ana intentionally failed to identify him during a line-up. Later, she tracked the guy to a dark alley and riddled his body with bullets. We see the aftermath of that gunplay in this episode

  • Ana may be a sneering killer with bad social skills, but she's no dummy. She covered her murderous tracks my filing off the serial number on the gun and making sure she shot her nemesis when no one was around. No witnesses. No traceable weapon. No path back to Ana ... it's like she's a cop or something.

  • But there's one problem: Ana's mom (the police captain) knows full well that Ana killed the guy. Consider the evidence: Ana's mom watched Ana fail to identify the criminal during the line-up, and now the same guy -- a guy who ruined Ana's life -- has mysteriously appeared in the police morgue with bullets dotting his abdomen. Even Walker, Texas Ranger could figure this one out.

    So Capt. Mom confronts Ana with this revelation and Ana doesn't exactly deny her involvement, but she doesn't exactly admit it, either. Ana knows the crime can't be pinned on her, but she also knows that recent events will make it impossible for her to continue working as a police officer in her mother's precinct (if it was her aunt's precinct, maybe, but not mom's). Ana rips her badge from her uniform and quits on the spot.

    Such a drama queen.

  • I should know better than to be surprised when characters run into other characters in their backstories -- I mean, it happens all the time -- but this latest "run-in" was a real stunner.

    But I'm getting ahead of myself.

    Ana takes a job as a security screener at a nearby airport (her speciality is "the wand"). The pay is good and the hours are decent, but there's little opportunity to shoot people, so Ana is quite disappointed in the turn her life has taken. To cope, she often visits the airport bar to drown her sorrows and her sneers in tequila and tonic.

    On one particular day, her bar time is interrupted by a thin, gray-haired man with a god-complex and a bad relationship with his son ... HOLY CRAP, IT'S JACK'S DAD!

    Dr. Christian Shephard (aka Dr. Daddy), calls to Ana from further down the bar. He's in that chatty-drunk mood and he just can't help talking off Ana's ear. She's perturbed at first (I think -- it's hard to tell when a sneer is really a sneer), but Dr. Daddy is a charming guy and Ana soon finds herself trading cheers and witticisms about failed careers and the fickle nature of fate.

    And then, out of nowhere, Dr. Daddy asks Ana to accompany him to Sydney.

    Wha?

    Seriously. The two are talking and then, BLAM, Dr. Daddy tells Ana that he could use some "protection" while he's in Sydney and it would make sense for him to get that "protection" from a trained police officer (she told him about her former vocation during their conversation).

    Ana is intrigued. Her airport screener job is a dead end ... that lingering murder thing could always pop up ... this gray-haired dude seems to have plenty of bling ...

    The two seal the deal with formal introductions, but at Dr. Daddy's suggestion they opt to assign each other fake names. Ana decides that Dr. Daddy is a "Tom" and Dr. Daddy dubs Ana "Sarah" (which just happens to be the name of Jack's ex-wife ... Freud would wet himself over that one).

  • So Ana and Dr. Daddy head to Sydney and for four days they do nothing but drink and hang out in fancy hotels. But late one night, Dr. Daddy pounds on Ana's door (no, they weren't shacking up) and tells her "it's time."

    Ana fires up their rented sedan and the two head into the suburbs of Sydney. Dr. Daddy -- sorry, "Tom" -- is tight with the details. He simply instructs Ana to drive, then tells her where to stop.

    Ana pulls in front of a nondescript suburban house (a single-story structure with a small front yard and a blue jeep parked in the driveway). Rain is pelting down and it's the middle of the night, so no one is on the street. Dr. Daddy runs to the home's front door and pounds maniacally (he's drunk out of his mind). Seconds later, a youngish (20s or 30s?) blonde woman cracks the door. From afar, Ana can hear Dr. Daddy shouting.

    "She's my daughter and I have every right to see her!," Dr. Daddy yells.

    The blonde woman tries to shut the door, but Daddy blocks her move and pushes himself inside. Ana, feeling that old "domestic violence mojo," runs from the car and quickly pounces on Daddy, dragging him from the house as he shouts and stomps. Ana manages to get him back to the sedan without incident.

    Conjectural Sidenote: As far as I can tell, we haven't see the blonde woman before. For a second I thought she might be Charlie's sister-in-law (remember, Charlie's brother, Liam, moved with his wife to Sydney), but after careful inspection (i.e. I geeked out and looked through screenshots and IMDb listings), I think they're two different actresses. So much for that!

  • The next day, Ana and Dr. Daddy are driving along and Ana reaches her breaking point. She stops the car and tells Dr. Daddy her real name, but Daddy insists on still going by "Tom." During their conversation, Daddy's eyes lock on to something behind Ana and a grin spreads across his face. They just happened to have stopped in front of a cocktail lounge (what are the chances?). Dr. Daddy asks Ana if she'd like to get a drink "or 10," but Ana is in no mood. "No," she says firmly. "No." (When did Ana turn into the Dog Whisperer? "No." "Sit." "Don't crap on the floor.") Daddy shrugs and grabs the door handle, but as he swings the door open, a moppy-haired man slams into the window and snipes at Dr. Daddy in a southern accent ... you see where this is going, right?

    The man is Sawyer and the cocktail lounge Dr. Daddy is about to enter is the same spot where Dr. Daddy has a long, revelatory conversation with Sawyer about his failed relationship with his son, Jack (this conversation played out in the season one episode, "Outlaws).

  • So Ana and Dr. Daddy part ways (and Daddy eventually drinks himself to death, thereby bringing Jack to Australia). In the closing segment of Ana's backstory, Ana stands in line at the Sydney airport Oceanic counter as Jack -- who's now in Australia -- pleads with the attendant to let him bring his dead Daddy back to the states. This same scene was featured in "White Rabbit," but the new version shows Ana-Lucia and Jin behind Jack.

    Jack's emotional run-in with the Oceanic attendant tugs on Ana's heartstrings, and so she fires up her cell phone and calls her mom. It's a tearful call: Ana is overwhelmed by the murder and her surprise trip to Sydney and the sad truth that she's only capable of one facial expression. All this overwhelming stuff manifests itself in a tearful (well, sneerful) conversation that culminates with perhaps the whiniest line of dialogue in the history of "Lost."

    "I want to come home, mom." Sneer. Whine.

    So anyway, Ana's mom says she'll meet Ana when her plane lands (good luck with that) and, for the moment, Ana's life seems to be headed in a better direction. For the moment ...

  • One More Ana Sidenote: Ana's conversation with her mom happens before she meets Jack in the airport bar. In the bar scene -- which is not replayed in this episode -- Ana and Jack's flirting is interrupted when Ana receives a call on her cell. I've always wondered who she was talking to, but we still don't know who's on the other end. Sure, it could be her mom, but it could also be her agent, or the Hawaiian police, or maybe even Vin Diesel. Perhaps we'll never know. Perhaps I should get a hobby.

Okay then.

Back on the island, Ana's violent run-in with Henry Gale has gotten her murderous juices flowing and so she hooks up meets up with Sawyer in the jungle to plead for a gun. Unfortunately, Ana's idea of "pleading" involves ribbing Sawyer about Kate and Jack's burgeoning relationship. Sawyer, as you'd expect, tells her to bugger off. And so she does.

But then she comes back. And it's at this point that "Lost" momentarily morphs into an "Emmanuelle" movie (not that I've seen those or anything).

Ana returns and she and Sawyer soon set about jostlin' for a weapon. Ana goes for the gun and Sawyer deftly avoids her advance, but she then snares him and drops him to the ground. Sawyer rolls over and gets the upper hand, but that upper hand soon starts to slide down Ana's leg. Huh. I wonder where this is going?

Ana responds by shoving her tongue down Sawyer's throat. Seconds later, shirts and pants and guns are being tossed hither and yon.

Elapsed Time: 2 minutes, 2 seconds ...

Sawyer and Ana's interlude quickly concludes and the two immediately return to their regularly scheduled roles. Ana tells Sawyer she'll kill him if he tells anyone about their booty knockin'. Sawyer responds in typical Sawyer fashion: "I guess that takes cuddling off the table!"

With the sexin' out of the way, Ana returns to the hatch. At this point, Michael has started talking and so Jack, Locke and Kate are all hopped up about Michael's big revelations (more on that in a bit). The hubbub eventually moves outside the hatch as Jack, Locke and Kate scamper off to the beach (again, I'll get to that) ... and suddenly, Ana is left alone in the hatch with Michael and Henry Gale.

There are two reasons why this is a Very Interesting Situation:

  1. Michael goes back to sleep, thereby leaving Ana with easy access to Henry.

  2. Ana has a gun. She managed to snatch Sawyer's weapon (not a euphemism) during their love tussle.

Ana, now afflicted by a full sneer, quietly opens the armory door and slides a knife toward Henry. She tells Henry to cut himself free.

As odd as this sounds, it's all part of the Ana-Lucia Cortez "Getting Away with Murder" playbook. By giving Henry the knife, she's making it look like he escaped and, of course, she would then have no choice but to defend herself, the hatch, and the very future of all the castaways by popping him full of bullets.

But Henry isn't going without a fight -- a mind fight, that is.

See, Henry Gale isn't a strong man in the physical sense -- he's actually quite meek -- but when it comes to mind games, no one -- NO ONE -- is his equal.

"He kept saying you were misunderstood," Henry says, looking down.

"What are you talking about?" Ana asks.

"Goodwin," Henry says, referencing one of the Others Ana killed. "Yes, he told us all about you, Ana. How he thought you were worthy and that he could change you ... but he was wrong ... and it cost him his life."

Ana's face drops and her chest heaves. "He was gonna kill me," she says.

Henry stares at her.

"Was he?" he asks.

Ana pulls the gun from her waistband and aims at Henry. Her finger wraps around the trigger ...

but nothing happens ...

yet ...

Point 3
Michael

Ana-Lucia

Locke

Jack

Kate

Sawyer

Libby

Henry Gale
Prepare yourself. This is gonna be a doozy.

At the beginning of this review I mentioned that Jack and Kate brought Michael back to the hatch and Michael spent the early part of this episode asleep.

But then he wakes up ... and this new consciousness is going to have huge consequences.

With Jack, Locke, Kate and Ana gathered around his bed, Michael begins to spin a riveting tale of his run-ins with the Others. But before we get to that, I feel it's important to provide a little context to Michael's sudden reappearance.

Michael has been MIA for 8 episodes. His last significant appearance came in "The Hunting Party when he forced Locke and Jack into the armory at gunpoint, then headed into the jungle to find Walt on his own. Since then, Michael has been a non-factor; so much so, that I've often forgotten he's even on the show.

I will never forget again.

There are two Major Michael Moments this week and both will have long-term repercussions (in some cases, very long-term -- like purgatory long). The Major Michael Moments are:

Major Michael Moment No. 1 -- Upon waking up, Michael tells Jack, Locke, Kate and Ana-Lucia that his Other adventure began with a hike back toward the Tailies camp. He went north, then curved along the shoreline in the hopes of stumbling upon an Other enclave.

And stumble he did. A day later he spotted a male Other. According to Michael, the Other was wearing "dirty ... worn clothing ... no shoes ... simple ... just like the rest of them."

(Inexplicably, Kate does not interject at this point. Seriously. How could she not mention that she recently discovered a locker full of dirty, worn clothing and theatrical make-up? Does she not see the connection? Kate? KATE?!)

Michael continues, telling the group that he followed the male Other back to his camp. "They live in tents," Michael says. "Canvas tents and teepees. They eat dried fish. They're worse off than we are!"

"How many of them were there?" Kate asks.

"I counted 22," Michael says (he must have missed one ... or 20).

"The boat?" Jack asks, referring to the dilapidated motor boat the Others used to kidnap Walt.

"I didn't see it," Michael says.

Jack asks if Michael saw Walt, but Michael sadly admits he didn't. Ana picks up the same thread, questioning Michael about Cindy (the Oceanic stewardess who disappeared in "Abandoned") and the two little kids -- a brother and sister -- who were nabbed by the Others in "The Other 48 Days." Again, Michael says he didn't see any of them ... but he knows where they are.

Michael, you see, found the Other's secret headquarters hatch (or so he claims). He says he spotted a metal door leading underground; the entrance was guarded by two armed sentries.

"Two guards and two guns ... and two guns is all I saw," Michael exclaims. "They're barely armed! Most of them are old and half of them are women!"

Michael pauses and gulps.

"I couldn't save him," Michael says (referring to Walt). "So I came back to tell you ... tell you that we can take them. As soon as I get my strength back, I will take us back there and we are gonna get my boy back."

Well damn. That's some pretty interesting stuff, isn't it? But here's the thing -- that stuff can't even touch this next bit. I know I'm prone to exaggeration and exclamations, but I'm very comfortable declaring this next part -- this SUPER HUGE SPOILER PART: ALERT ALERT -- to be the single biggest shocker in "Lost" history.

And that leads us to ...

Major Michael Moment No. 2 -- Michael's Other revelations spur Jack, Locke and Kate to action. Jack and Locke, for the first time in weeks, agree that the Others need to be confronted, and so Jack, Locke and Kate decide to march to the beach and demand guns from Sawyer.

The trio's exchange with Sawyer is meaningful for two reasons:

  1. Jack pulls a gun on Sawyer and demands access to the gun stash.

  2. Sawyer reaches into his waistband to pull out his own pistol (again, not a euphemism), but his weapon is noticeably absent. "Oh, that bitch," he mumbles, referring to Ana. "She stole my damn gun." Jack is perplexed because he doesn't know about Henry Gale's earlier murder attempt (Locke and Ana kept it from him), but Locke immediately understands exactly what's going on: Ana wants revenge.

The scene cuts back to the hatch and we watch the confrontation between Ana and Henry (recapped above). The confrontation concludes with Ana pointing the gun at Henry ...

... but the scene ends and we return to find Ana sitting alone on the hatch sofa, loading and unloading the gun clip (she did the same thing when she was trying to figure out what to do with Sayid in "Collision). Michael calmly walks in and sees Ana mired deep in thought. It quickly becomes clear that Ana didn't kill Henry (the sound of the gun would have woken Michael).

Suddenly, Ana pours her heart out. She tells Michael that an Other is locked in the armory (remember, he wasn't around when Henry was caught), but she can't bring herself to kill him. "I can't do this anymore," she whispers.

Michael walks toward her. "Then let me do it," he says defiantly.

Michael crouches down by Ana. "They're animals," he growls. "I've seen these people and they are animals. They took my son, right out of my hands, they took my son and ..."

Michael's eyes go cold and he collects himself.

"I'll do it," he says, standing. "Give me the gun. I'll kill him ... 'cause that's what they'd do!"

Ana hands Michael the pistol and tells him the combination to the armory lock.

Michael stands and stares at the armory door. He looks at the pistol in his hands and takes two steps back.

... Oh my god, you're not going to believe what happens next ...

"I'm sorry," Michael says, looking at the pistol.

"For what?" Ana asks.

Michael looks up. He points the gun.

HOLY SHIT!

The gun fires! Ana gasps!

MICHAEL SHOT ANA!

Ana goes limp. Michael's eyes well with tears as he keeps the gun trained on her.

But then, a soft footstep echoes from the hatch hallway.

NO WAY ... JUST NO WAY ...

"Michael?!"

Michael whirls and fires: BLAM! BLAM!

Down goes Libby!

MICHAEL SHOT LIBBY!

But there's more ... it's not over ...

Michael collects himself and opens the armory door. Henry Gale sits silently in the corner, unfazed by the gunfire.

Michael enters with the pistol at his side. Henry stands, wide-eyed and unbound.

Rage wells in Michael. He stares at Henry. Michael's face quivers.

Michael raises the gun. Without looking, he turns the barrel on himself.

He fires!

AND THAT'S WHEN IT ENDS!

Are you friggin' kidding me? Seriously. Are you KIDDING ME?!

Let's take stock of what just happened:

  • Michael shot Ana. Ana appears to be dead.

  • Michael shot Libby twice. She also appears to be dead (but I really don't know).

  • Michael shot himself. Based on the angle of the gun -- and the fact that Michael shows up in the previews for next week's episode -- the wound does not appear to be life-threatening. But still. The guy shot himself.

And now, a sampling of the 2.5 billion questions swirling in my head:

  1. Does Michael shoot Henry? Is the idea to make it look like Henry shot everyone? The previews for next week appear to cast Michael in a positive light (meaning: the castaways didn't lock him up), so I'm assuming that Michael either killed Henry or let him escape.

  2. Why? Why would Michael kill Ana? Is he under orders from the Others? Did they propose a deal? Or, is he trying to ignite an Other war by making it look like Henry killed Ana? (Any thoughts of peace will surely be put aside when the castaways discover that Ana, Libby and Michael were all shot).

  3. What did Michael really see during his Other adventure?

  4. Is Michael's Other story a ruse? Is he leading the castaways into a trap by convincing them the Others are weak and unarmed?

  5. Is Libby dead? The prognosis doesn't look good, but Libby was holding a bundle of blankets at the time of the shooting, so there's a very, very small chance the bullets didn't kill her.

  6. Does this count as community service for Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros? (I know it crossed your minds.)
Point 4
Island All these massive developments left me with dangling threads and assorted observations that I couldn't work into the body of the review. I present these leftovers in no particular order:
  • Following Henry's murder attempt on Ana, Locke asks Henry why he didn't try to kill him when Locke was pinned beneath the blast door. Henry replies: "Because you're one of the good ones, John."

    Henry also tells Locke that his original mission -- which was thwarted when Henry was snared in Rousseau's rope trap -- was to find and capture (meet?) Locke. "I was coming for you," Henry says.

    Of course, this whole exchange needs to be viewed critically since Henry has consistently played mind games with Locke. This could be a simple case of Henry tapping into Locke's inherent need to have "purpose." Or, it could be a shocking revelation with huge implications. Either or.

  • Libby's death (if she's actually dead), could prove to be one of the most tragic things we've seen. The only reason she was in the hatch was so she could gather blankets for a romantic picnic with Hurley. They were going on their first date. She got shot before their first date! That's the equivalent to a nuclear weapon wiping out all the characters in the "M*A*S*H" finale.

  • Sawyer was seen reading the "Bad Twin" script. The reappearance of this MacGuffin just happens to correspond with the release date of an accompanying "Lost" book of the same title! What are the chances?

  • The Hanso Foundation "commercial" that aired during one of the breaks is part of the new "Lost Experience" interactive game. Interestingly, if you call the number listed in the ad (1-877-HANSORG) you'll log a vote for "American Idol" contestant Taylor Hicks. Go Taylor!

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"?" -- Eko and Locke journey toward a secret island location. Gravitas ensues. Airs: Wednesday, May 10, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on May 4, 2006 11:52 AM |




DUDE I TOTALLY CALLED IT RIGHT WHEN MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OTHERS. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN HE WAS LYING BECAUSE WE KNOW THE OTHERS AND DHARMA ARE ONE AND THE SAME AND DHARMA IS VERY WELL FUNDED, ARMED, TRAINED AND PREPARED TO DEAL WITH EVERY OCCURANCE. PLUS THE CLOTHES THEY WEAR ARE COSTUMES USED ONLY WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE LOSTIES. THAT IS NOT THEIR REAL GARB.
PLUS ANNA AND LIBBY BOTH GOT ARRESTED IN HAWAII FOR DWI AFTER A LOST CAST PARTY ONE NIGHT SO IM PRETTY SURE THAT FACTORED INTO THE WRITING OF THIS EPISODE.

#1. Posted by: JAC at May 4, 2006 12:01 PM

Great post, Mac.

You are right, there is no way anyone could have predicted what all happened in this episode.

I am starting to think that Micheal got brainwashed.

#2. Posted by: Zeppo at May 4, 2006 12:04 PM

OK, Didn't any one think to ask Michael where the gun (or guns) he took with him on his journey to find Walt were?

That's the first thing I thought.

#3. Posted by: You Know That's Right at May 4, 2006 12:16 PM

Great recap Mac...
Best Line of the Week:
Sawyer: "You too, Brutus?"(to Locke)
#1 Ok...so who is going to turn out to be Jack's half-sister? Was the lady too young to be Claire's mother? Who else is there?

#2Michael was definately drugged...unconscious, hangover the next day, etc. Is he brainwashed or blackmailed or does it even matter? If Libby isn't dead, she'll rat out Michael when she wakes up. Until then he probably set HG free and made it look like it was Henry who did the shooting. So now Jack is pissed that Locke lied about AL's injury which they will think caused all of this to happen. Trust issues everywhere.

#3 Poor Hugo, the man is like a giant rain cloud that pours (or fatally injures) all who hang around him.

#4 Romance on this show equals violence. Shortly after Sun and Jin make-up, she's dragged and beaten by Charlie. Shannon gets it on with Sayid and pays the price. Ana Lucia makes it with Sawyer and then meets her maker. And now Libby...after getting closer to Hurley. Better cool down Jack and Kate. Or is it only the women that are punished for promiscuity? Hmmmmm...

#5 I have called and called and got a busy every time. Anyone know what's up with the number?

#4. Posted by: J-Rod at May 4, 2006 12:16 PM

Well... I called it first. I absolutely, positively knew that Michael was lying through his teeth. But I never saw this one coming. My guess is that he has been sent on a mission by the others to free Henry, or he will never see his son back alive. (or something like that) And he turned the gun on himself to make it look like Henry shot him in the shoulder.

Too bad they killed Anna though. :-)

#5. Posted by: SnakeJake at May 4, 2006 12:18 PM

You can go to Lost.com to hear a phone call recording for the Hanso commercial. The other language they speak is Dutch.

#6. Posted by: You Know That's Right at May 4, 2006 12:21 PM

Michael has either become an "other" or has made a deal with them.

Is it me or was Jack an extra big jerk this episode? You could explain the situation to Sawyer and ask for guns, or you can burn his book and point a gun at him. I hope Sawyer kills Jack for that stunt.

#7. Posted by: Killjackoff at May 4, 2006 12:24 PM

Mac, you are sooooooo cool. Great review as always. One thing though, doesn't it apear in the previews for next week that Michael is wearing a sling in the armory? Almost as if he is being held? Also, I really hope Libby does not die, we haven't gotten all of her story yet.

#8. Posted by: Gerard at May 4, 2006 12:24 PM

Great recap as always Mac! Early in the episode I got hung up on the fact that HG said "You killed two of us" ... Besides Goodwin did Ana-Lucia kill an "other"?

#9. Posted by: vacc at May 4, 2006 12:24 PM

I believe Ana killed an Other with a rock in the 1st episode about the tailies

#10. Posted by: You Know That's Right at May 4, 2006 12:26 PM

According to this article on CNN, AL at least knew that she was only on the show for a short time.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/04/tv.lost.ap/index.html

Libby was probably killed off because she has that new show starting on CBS next Fall.

#11. Posted by: Zeppo at May 4, 2006 12:27 PM

GREAT episode! I thought the same about the DUI w/Ana Lucia & Libby ... but read a TV Guide interview with some of the Lost execs and they explained that the Ana Lucia's character was to be a short term one from the beginning and that Michelle Rodriguez approached them and told them that she is somewhat "nomadic" and only was willing to commit to one season.

#12. Posted by: LostFan at May 4, 2006 12:27 PM

And that's going to mean a world of Hurt for Eko......he killed a few

#13. Posted by: yep at May 4, 2006 12:27 PM

OH MY GOD....WHAT A FRIGGIN' AWESOME EPSIODE!!

And great review, Mac! I was reading so fast, my eyes were twitching!

OK, here are my thoughts:
1. Fake HG is clearly screwing with Locke's head. No way he was really coming for him. If the Others wanted Locke, they had plenty of opportunity to take him without having to send one person.
2. Michael was brainwashed. Why else would he apologize to Ana before killing her and then look confused after?
3. Looks like Fake HG "recognizes" Michael when he opens the door...is Fake HG really "Him"? I'm beginning to really but that theory.
4. Michael shoots himself to make it all look like Fake HG was up to no good (same reason why Ana slipped him the knife).
5. I still think Libby is an "Other". She's way too calm and way too into Hurley. Sorry, Hurley!
6. I still think we'll eventually find out that everyone's paths crossed before the flight.
7. Love the interactive game already! Mac, are you going to start a new blog for discussing the game? I already have a million questions!

I'm even more addicted than I was before, if that's even possible.

#14. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 4, 2006 12:31 PM

MAC - What can i say - FABULOUS JOB ! ! ! The only thing I look forward to every week, other than a new LOST episode, are your recaps. I was BLOWN AWAY (larger fonts are not available or I would have used them) by the last 2 minutes. That is the reason I love this show. Nothing is sacred, no-one is safe. I was watching this episode with my G/F and when Michael started telling his "Other" story I told her that something wasn't right. She asked why. I told her that Kate had found out that the whole hobo bit was scam and she told Jack about it in the last episode. So I told her it was only one of two posibilities, 1) Michael had been captured and was now working for the "Others" and was telling the hobo story because they don't realize that Kate found them out, or 2) They knew Michael was watching them and they played the hobo part just to mess with his head. Well the last 2 minutes of the show last night blew theory number 2 to hell and back.

In regards to Libby, I think we can count her out, especially since she signed on to co-star in a new show on CBS this fall, also, will this re-inforce Hurley's whole "I'm a Jinx" complex, probably. Dude - he's never gonna get laid.

What about the revelation that Jack has a sister that he doesn't know exists? Any thoughts on who the sister might be ? ? ? ? Hmmmmmmm - Claire ????? Just a thought, but you know how crafty the writers are - they never reveal anything about the characters unless it means something.

Loved the recap Mac - Keep up the great work. It is much appreciated.

#15. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 4, 2006 12:31 PM

Thanks for another great post, mac. extremely entertaining - you crack me up!

Besides the rifle that Michael had, during 'the Hunting Party' the group turned over at least for weapons to the Others...so 'they' certainly have more than two weapons.

My guess is that the Others agreed to some degree to get Michael and Walt together - in return for HG.

#16. Posted by: JT at May 4, 2006 12:31 PM

Another cool twist that hasn't been mentioned yet: it wasn't clear whether or not the Others had returned Michael as part of Jack's offer of a deal or if Michael had really returned on his own. This is a critical piece of the puzzle, and the answer isn't clear. Jack starts to address this but gets interrupted.

#17. Posted by: KG at May 4, 2006 12:34 PM

I'm sure the Interactive Game is going to stir up tons of conjecture, so feel free to post any findings/clues/discoveries here or you're welcome to use the separate Interactive Game post I created here:

http://www.filmfodder.com/lost-clues

Either one is fine with me!

-- Mac

#18. Posted by: mac at May 4, 2006 12:36 PM

Oh, and forgot to mention...

8. This thing about "good" people....sort of starting to sound like good = man of faith, and bad = man of science ("man" here being used to refer to the previous epsiode title "man of science, man of faith" or something like that....not intended to be anti-women).

If that's the case, it might stand to reason why children are considered good, because they are not mature enough to fully understand the disctinction.

#19. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 4, 2006 12:37 PM

WOW!!! Amazing episode!! And no way could anyone have predicted that! I watched the episode and right before my sister said, "So he'll go and kill Henry Gale now!" She did not see that coming and neither did I! I'm not convinced that micheal will die though. The other two are a maybe though! Great review :)

#20. Posted by: Gill at May 4, 2006 12:37 PM

I have been wondering since Henry first appeared on the show where he had shown up before. I think that Henry is the physic that Clare went to and made the connections for her to be on the doomed flight.

#21. Posted by: Julia at May 4, 2006 12:40 PM

Oh, yeah, Michael was brainwashed.

Wonder what the writers would have done with AL and Libby had they not gotten those DWI arrests!

#22. Posted by: Amanda at May 4, 2006 12:44 PM

mac, awesome recap- I too am particularly hung up on the "you killed 2 of us" bit. Shannon is the only other person AL killed on the island, and she was way to lame to be an other. The other others killed were Ethan (by Charlie) and the 2 nonspecific guys by Ecko. Any thoughts? I also was intrigued by the Gale comment "he is a great man, just not a forgiving man." Sort of an old testiment deity type- again setting up some of the religious battle likely to be played out with Ecko, Charlie (who are building that church). My head is spinning, can't wait till next week.

#23. Posted by: mike at May 4, 2006 12:45 PM

Mike: Ana Killed an Other with a Rock the night they came to their camp and were taking the kids

someone already said this

#24. Posted by: pay attention at May 4, 2006 12:47 PM

Well, now we know why those ladies were out drinking. "Hey, we both got shot, let's take off for 2-for-1 night! Wee!"

The Michael plotline is brilliant. Now that he has stoked the fires, he will lead a bunch of major characters right into a trap. Ana and Libby (sadly) are surely both dead, or else it would fall apart immediately. I am interested to see how Michael explains that Ana was shot sitting on the couch though... I would assume a bullet hole and blood are ample evidence.

For just a second near the end, I almost thought Henry was using some kind of 'mind power' on Michael, the way he stared and -then- Mike turned the gun on himself. But upon review (we watched that scene 3 more times), I am convinced now Mike did it himself.

Hoo boy, it's gonna be a roller coaster from here on out. No more "filler" shows. :)

#25. Posted by: The Duf at May 4, 2006 12:48 PM

Great review, Mac; I have been glued to my computer this morning just waiting for it to be posted. Minor point: the spelling is "unfazed", not "unphased". :-)
Does anyone think Ana Lucia realized that Jack was "Tom's" son? She heard his conversation with the person at the ticket counter, but did she know that "Tom" had died?
I totally did not see the Michael shooting 2 Losties coming. I figured he was lying about the Others being in worse shape than the Losties, but thought he was leading them into a trap. But honestly, is anyone sad to see AL go? At least she got some from the best looking guy on the island before she was killed!

#26. Posted by: Kathy at May 4, 2006 12:48 PM

Taylor Hicks? Come on, Mac, you can do better than that. You need to get "McPhee-ver."

#27. Posted by: Butch at May 4, 2006 12:49 PM

So I hate to be a party pooper, but is anyone else getting tired of the Lost survivors getting crapped on practically every episode? I mean it's been really exciting, but seriously, for two years now, the bad guys always win. Even when they lose, they win.
So when Michael, a caring father type, comes back 'home' and (as far as he knows) kills two people in cold blood, it's a downer.

#28. Posted by: Bryan at May 4, 2006 12:50 PM

The fake Henry Gale is definitely not the psychic Claire visited before the plane crashed. No way, Jose.

#29. Posted by: Amanda at May 4, 2006 12:51 PM

I think that Michael must have to kill the survivors who have killed others in order to get Walt back. These characters are:
-Ana Lucia....dead
-Eko...who has killed two and appears to fall off a cliff next week
-Whoever shot Ethan in the first season (wasn't that Charlie???)

I was thinking the same thing about Jack's half sister being someone we know...

Why didn't Kate speak up about the costumes? Why on earth would Locke cover for HG? Ridiculous...he is much too smart to believe anything HG says...

Numbers notes:
-15, 16, 23 are the numbers of the cop cars in the parking garage when AL meets her mom
-5 shots went into the perp that AL killed
-Michael said he saw 22 others....plus HG equals 23

Gotta go teach....will be back later for more...

#30. Posted by: Vikki at May 4, 2006 12:53 PM

Yes i knew it. I dont have much time to post so i dont that often but a lot of people at my work watch the show and ive been saying that Michel was going to bust out Henry for a month. Granted I did not think he was going to kill A.L., and possibly libby. And of course ive always hated AL, like most, but the writers acctually made me like her in that episode, then BAM. But I hope libby pulls through, she's hot in a crazy milf kind of way, she probably will, why else would she be holding a throw pillow, so you cant see exactly where she got hit. I dont think they would kill two taillies in the same episode either. All I can say is I hope Michel dosent get away with it, Ive never liked his character.

I've only read the first paragragh so far but im sure the whole review is great as always so ill give a pre-emptive great job mac.

#31. Posted by: Cory at May 4, 2006 12:54 PM

Oh, one other thing. Didn't you get the impression Libby was only shot because Michael was startled? AL was definitely murder (and now HE is not good, right? Hmm...) but Libby looked like an accident to me. Not that it will matter if she is still dead.

#32. Posted by: The Duf at May 4, 2006 12:56 PM

Wow, what an episode!!! I was stunned and couldn't sleep all night after watching the show. As much as I disliked A-L and wanted her dead(she is a terrible actress), it was really sad the way it all turned out!

mac, great review once again. had my in hysterics reading through!

i think that the others are blackmailing michael and sent him to free faux-HG and he would have killed anyone who stood in his way. they could have promised him that he would be part of them and reunited with his son if he did this and led the losties to the other's trap. just my initial thoughts but am still churning my brain to come up with more ideas.

jack's half-sister cannot possible be Claire coz for one the mother looked too young to be claire's mother. i wonder if they will ever bring this up again.

poor Hugo! man, i surely hope libby is not dead coz that "dude" was finally gonna get some action!! but she probably is as someone mentioned that she would rat on michael if she were not and that doesn't seem to be likely.

i also thought michael was in some sort of confinement in the preview for next week. maybe libby did survive and rat on him??

loved sawyers line after his encounter with A-L,"you want my phone number?" he is hilarious!

the reason i think that jack doesn't explain the situation to sawyer and ask for the guns nicely is coz sawyer has always proven to be too selfish and they would not expect him to cooperate if it didn't involve his life being at risk...and this is in no way meant to be in defence of jack!

what was the deal with eko falling from a cliff in the preview?? hope he doesn't get knocked out!

once again mac, great recap...HG probably did say that Blue crush sucked...hehehe!!

#33. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 4, 2006 12:57 PM

I think the great man HG was talking about is none other than HG. He will escape and Michael will have to find a way to get rid of Libby before she rats him out. How about that being the all powerful leader of the Others and getting snared by a rudimentary rope trap. When he was telling Locke about it he seemed to be plotting revenge on
Rousseau.

#34. Posted by: Big Name James at May 4, 2006 12:58 PM

bryan i totally agree with you. im sick and tired of the survivors having one bad thing after another happen to them. plus at the rate they're getting killed off there arent going to be any left by the time the show ends. i hope this doesnt turn into a depressing show like ER. something good needs to happen soon to lift everyones spirits.

#35. Posted by: JAC at May 4, 2006 12:58 PM

One more quick thing...Remember HG's warning to Jack about a trap??? "Good thing I am not one of them..."

Well, it looks like Michael is leading them right into said trap....

#36. Posted by: vikki at May 4, 2006 12:58 PM

Theories:

Michael wants Walt back really bad and does this on purpose to get the survivors even more riled up by blaming everything on Henry Gale.
He either lets Henry go to the Others because he has to for a trade, or he kills Henry later. - I don't hold much stock in this one

Other theory is that Michael is a mole. He left with a rifle and comes back without it? He mysteriously falls-passed out at their feet after a whole day of Jack yelling to the Others to bring it on? He's a plant. He was told by the Others to get Henry back to them in order to get Walt - or worse, he has been brain washed period.
Henry said that they would probably kill him - several times- for failing in his mission. Ana Lucia got in the way, but provided Michael for an excuse to kill (or free) Henry.
So did the self-inflicted gunshot wound in the arm. Did you notice in the preview, that Michael with an arm bandaged, now looks like HE has been locked in the gun vault?

My theory is that Libby, although shot, was not killed. Jack and Locke rush back to the hatch knowing that Ana Lucia would try to kill Henry. They arrive in time to save her, and keeps Michael from finishing her off. She had thick blankets in front of her. Maybe the shots just grazed her, maybe she was carrying a steel tray for food behind the blankets for the picnic. But I bet that she rats out Michael to Jack and Locke - then they LOCK him in the hatch after they find out he shot her and Ana Lucia.

Henry is either dead, or escapes, but their is a new OTHER now imprisoned in the hatch - Mr. Michael!

Freaky Freaky sh%#. When Michael got the gun, then asked Ana Lucia for the lock combo, I had a weird WEIRD feeling in the pit of my stomach that something was not right.

The producers have said that the DUI arrests in no way influenced the story line. Ana Lucia knew going in that her part was a short-lived one.
And again, Libby is not dead. We still need Hurley to figure out she was in the Looney bin with him. "Maybe If I get drunk enough, I'll remember where I've seen you before."

Poor Hurley, he was sooo close to getting some. Man, If she dies, he's got no chance at hooking up. Poor bastard.

#37. Posted by: jake3841 at May 4, 2006 12:59 PM

Absolutely agree that fake HG is the leader of the Others. Maybe even Alvar Hanso???

#38. Posted by: dan at May 4, 2006 1:00 PM

i think he did it so the losties wud seek revenge and confront the 'others' he only meant to kill ana lucia, libby was not supposed to be shot- plus he never really knew her

#39. Posted by: Theodore at May 4, 2006 1:01 PM

New Poster, please bear with me.

A couple of other things to contemplate:
1.) Faux Henry's comments to Locke about the 'Man in Charge'. He's a wonderful man, brilliant. But he doesn't tolerate failure and he'll kill me for my failure. Or something like that.

2.) Libby's impending death would leave no opportunity to explain her backstory of being in the asylum with Hurley during 'Dave'.

#40. Posted by: Mike at May 4, 2006 1:04 PM

In the land of the LOST, backstory is KING

#41. Posted by: jake3841 at May 4, 2006 1:07 PM

sorry forgot to mention this...i had read earlier either on this site or somewhere else that whichever lostie gets killed off appears on some talk show early the next morning and this morning i saw AL on the regis show but there was no Libby....does this mean she is still not dead????

and as for michael not knowing libby...wrong since she spent more time with him before their trek back to collission and she is the one who told michael about how and why they were so paranoid. but i do agree that michael did NOT plan to kill her but like i mentioned earlier, he might have killed anyone who stood in his way.

what surprises me is that the losties never seem to remember each other from their run-ins in australia...or at least mention any of it.

and oh, now we know why A-L was in Australia so who remains unknown....libby, eko...thats all i can think of. probably next week we will find out about eko.

ok, i will stop rambling...for NOW!

#42. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 4, 2006 1:10 PM

Did anyone else notice the numbers on the roofs of the police cars that were on top of the parking garage during Ana Lucia's flashback?

I saw 15, 16, 23, and 42, though the rest were probably there as well. Hmmm...

#43. Posted by: James at May 4, 2006 1:10 PM

Bryan: No you are not the only one! I was extremely disenchanted with last night's episode. The writers' killing spree has got to stop! I know they had reasons for writing those two out, but AL was kinda starting to grow on me. (I know: BLEH!!) I'm going to miss her dynamic on the island. Plus, Sawyer finally gets laid (sadly, not by me) and we don't even get a chance to see how the aftermath plays out. I feel cheated! And, poor Hurley didn't even get a chance to try to seduce Libby. Poor guy!
When Boone died (yeah, remember him?) it was a powerful episode because it was an isolated incident. Now, it's just like a mass shooting. Not quite as powerful.

By the way, I TOTALLY would've cuddled with Sawyer!!:)

#44. Posted by: Trinity at May 4, 2006 1:13 PM

ana also killed goodwin

#45. Posted by: theodore at May 4, 2006 1:14 PM

WHAT AN EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't breathe for five minutes after I finished watching it!!!!! WOW! And we still have how many episodes until the finale? SHEWWW! Only right before Michael turned around to Ana, when he said "I'm Sorry", did I see what was comming!! But then Libby too! WOW!!

I think Mike let HG go. I think he's made a deal with the Others for access to Walt. Can't wait to see next weeks!!!!!


J-Rod, just to clarify, but Charlie did not beat Sun. He drug her away from her garden, and then she broke away with the hood still on and ran into a tree, knocking herself out. He only grabbed her, nothing else.

Julia, HG is not the man Claire went to see, although they ARE both small men with receeding hairlines.

#46. Posted by: karen at May 4, 2006 1:17 PM

What if the woman Jack's father visited was Claire?? Maybe Claire's baby,Aaron, is Jack's little half brother. Michael not only found the Others, he obviously made a deal to get his son back by freeing HG. My aapologies to anyone who has already posted a similar conjecture.

#47. Posted by: maxlife at May 4, 2006 1:19 PM

oops....apologies

#48. Posted by: maxlife at May 4, 2006 1:21 PM

Thanks for the clarification Karen...my point was simply that hankie-pankie of any kind seems to lead to bad sh#$ happening....Now has anyone gotten through on the phone number to the hanso org that ran in the commercial last night?

#49. Posted by: J-Rod at May 4, 2006 1:22 PM

Jerk-a-loo, if that is your real name, we all know that television producers never lie, so you're right, I'll leave it alone.

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#50. Posted by: James at May 4, 2006 1:23 PM

Jack's dad said "she's my daughter" and I don't believe that woman was Claire, because a) she wasn't pregnant/showing and would have been most likely by that time and b) I think it would have been more obvious to us the viewers if it was Claire.

Maybe we're all thinking a little wrong here. Who's to say that the woman Christian talked to is his daughter's mother? She may have been a care-taker, older sibling, an aunt, who knows? We're all jumping to a conclusion which may or may not be accurate. Whoever was in the house is supposedly Dr. Dad's daughter (AKA Jack's half sister), but the woman at the door may not have been the mom. What if it's one of the kids from the tallies? Her mother was waiting for her in LA and not on the flight with her. What if the child was in Sydney being hidden from Dr. Dad, and then sent back to the states after he found her? I know it's a long shot, but we all know ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE!

#51. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 4, 2006 1:25 PM

It loked like there was blood coming out of the blaket that libby was holding in front of her. But she was talking about getting some wine from rose and the B man. I know it was hurleys job to get the refreshments, but mabey she had a bottle wraped in that blanket. It is just a TV show, but speaking as someone who has had pretty bad wounds a few times, the fluid looked a little thin to be blood. The blanket was pretty thick to so I dont think blood would seep through a hole that small that fast. If she is alive though Michle will have to act fast so she dosent tell the others who the real killer is. Although i would love to see Michel get "Questioned" by Sayeed for a few hours. Man i hate that guy even more now.

#52. Posted by: Cory at May 4, 2006 1:26 PM

Sorry, but the "NO ONE could predict this" comments are completely wrong. Just have a look at last episode's comments:

- it was speculated by at least 2 persons that Michael could have been brainwashed by the Others.
- it was speculated that Michael was part of the trade.
- Libby (and also AL) were perfect candidates for dying during this season. We didn't expect that BOTH would die, but otherwise, we can't be sure yet...

Some things just can't be predicted, because they are too stupid to be plausible and unpredictability is also a requirement to make the Lost storyline at least "look" plausible. I never would have assumed that Michael would simply shoot TWO main characters in one episode -- one main character would (perhaps) be a shocker, two characters looks far too stupid to me in order to be a typical Lost plot (even compared to "standard Alias"-plots). I can't believe the writers couldn't come up with a better idea.

Remember -- EVERYTHING ON LOST IS POSSIBLE:
- Michael could be a Xenu.
- HIM could be a Xenu.
- Fake Henry could be a Xenu.
- Fake Henry could be a Xenu, but not HIM.
- HIM could be a Xenu, but not Fake Henry.
- HIM could be Rumbaldy.
- Michael could even be a clone (standard Alias plot)
- there could be no island at all.

#53. Posted by: Margot at May 4, 2006 1:26 PM

Great episode.

I bet Micheal is doing his own "trade". "Release Henry and kill a couple 815ers and we'll give you Walt".

Did I see Eko take a dive in the previews for next week? They can't kill off Eko! Noooooo!!! He never drinks and drives!!!!

#54. Posted by: Chappy at May 4, 2006 1:27 PM

More Theories and questions: Shoot 'em down at your leisure!

1.) The 'Daughter' that Dr. Dad wants to see is his daughter-in-law, Sarah. Dr. Dad want to reunite Jack and Sarah, as a last ditch peace offering to Jack.

2.) Why does Michael wake up in the hatch with a headache? Hungover? Exposure? Dehydration? BRAINWASHING? He also made some little sniffing sounds right before he shot his arm, like he knew there was something difficult he was about to do, and of course was conflicted with it.

3.) Where the heck is Desmond?! Is he living with the Others now Brother?

4.) Did Dr. Dad go get AL at 4:15 in the morning?

5.) Why did the preview show Eko pushing a small plane fuselage, similar to the one his brother was killed in? Thought that was burned by he and Charlie.

6.) Is killing a human being the mitigating factor of being good vs bad? If so, how do the Others explain Goodwin killing the Tailie in the hole? As a Physician, Jack should then be considered good, since he saves lives.

More as I think of them...

#55. Posted by: Mike at May 4, 2006 1:28 PM

1) I think Michael is killing to get Walt in return. He said, "I'm sorry" before he killed her. He feels bad for doing it but wants his son back. If brainwashed, he would be completely out of it.


2) This episode was shot prior to the DWI. So they didn't kill off these characters because they got DWI's. Just a crazy coincedence. Which falls into this whole show which is crazy every week.

MAC, great job as usual.

#56. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 4, 2006 1:30 PM

Did I just read too fast or did I not see anything about Hurley and Libby's picnic? Hurley went to Sayid for Libby-porking advice, and Sayid told him to take her on a picnic, and to go to a secluded beach to which he had once taken Shannon. Hurley was ransacking the pantry for comestibles when Libby busted him, and he said, "Whoa, Dude, I am so busted." Libby asked Hurley if he had any wine (without an aitch) - he said no, but that if he found Rose and Bernard they might have some extra. To which Hurley responded, "Dude, maybe if I get all liquored up (and feel your naughty bits) I might remember where I know you from", and Libby got all wierd-looking. She asked if he had blankets (for the picnic you know...certainly no horizontal mambo intended I'm sure) and that's why she was in the hatch getting wasted (by bullets, not liquor).

#57. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 4, 2006 1:31 PM

Another thought...

Do we know WHO Sarah (Jack's wife) was seeing when she left Jack? Was she having an affair with Jack's Dad? OK, I know that's sick and crazy, but he used the name Sarah for Ana-Lucia, and he keeps talking about something so unforgiving that he can never talk to his son about. Maybe it's more than just the typical "Awful-dad, letting-his-son-think-he's-never-good-enough scenario". ???????

#58. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 4, 2006 1:31 PM

OH MY GOODNESS! OF COURSE! WHY DIDN'T I REALIZE IT SOONER?!

Faux Henry is the leader of the Others, and he PURPOSELY got caught because he KNEW that Michael would free him!!!

#59. Posted by: Dan at May 4, 2006 1:34 PM

Everyone seems to be not considering something: Maybe Michael isn't "brainwashed" maybe he isn't trying to "trade" for Walt. Maybe he's living there with Walt, and what they have is a certain Utopia, and he enjoys it and now it is his turn to gather some "good" people. It's not really that far fetched

#60. Posted by: SERIOUSLY at May 4, 2006 1:43 PM

Has anyone thought that Gale might stick around to still try to get Locke? If he was going to escape, he would have when Locke was under the door, wouldn't he? I don't think that he is the others leader at all.

Has anyone wondered how Gale knows all this stuff about Ana killing 2 others? When Ana killed the other with a rock during the night raid, I doubt an "other" was standing there watching, and weren't Ana and Goodwin alone when she killed him? How do the others learn so much about the survivors in general, names, etc...? I doubt they are sneaking up within 10 feet of them listening all the time. There is a psychic/supernatural thread through this show that has to do with the Dharma Initiative that no one has talked about for a while. When we remember this, it makes much more sense for Michael to have been brainwashed or "controlled" doing what he did? We know his whole story was a lie...

I want to commend all posters for their depth into LOST's theories. Spectacular material on this board. I LOVE IT!

#61. Posted by: brich at May 4, 2006 1:44 PM

check out the new diary entry on abc's lost website...strange...

#62. Posted by: aDaMsKi at May 4, 2006 1:45 PM

I think HG was telling Locke the truth....he really was coming for him....otherwise, he could have just left when Locke was trapped under the door. But if his mission was to come for Locke, no way would he leave him trapped. Going back empty handed would be mission failure, thus resulting in HIM getting mad and killing HG.

#63. Posted by: J-Rod at May 4, 2006 1:46 PM

woah woah woah.... something weird happened in my brain last night...

i was actually getting frustrated, and angry, with the losties.... and i was actually feeling compassion and support for HG and "the others"... I did not want HG to die, at all. Wow.

#64. Posted by: schiano at May 4, 2006 2:03 PM

In the AL backstory involving Dr. Dad in Australia, did anyone notice that when Dad opened the door of the car to go to the bar, the door accidentally hit what looked to be Sawyer, who made some angry comment? Could Sawyer have been involved with Jack's wife?

#65. Posted by: Loz at May 4, 2006 2:15 PM

This episode had a lot of stuff going on, but there are a few smaller things that I was wondering about...
1) Did anybody catch what song was playing when Ana Lucia was driving Jack's dad around? It seemed to be an older song, like the others played on the show.
2) This is the first episode that Hurley & Sayid have mentioned the radio since it picked up the Glen Miller song. Was it just for Hurley to have a "Say Anything" moment, or is it foreshadowing?
3) Ana-Lucia slid the WWII-era knife to Henry so he could cut himself free. (This is the same knife that she took from the Other that she killed with the rock when the children were taken). Is there any significance to Henry/the Others having their knife back?

Any ideas?

#66. Posted by: Summer at May 4, 2006 2:19 PM

Didn't see it mentioned on the board, but has anyone else explored the changes to the Hanso site? The only think I have found is the little message you get if you register for emails. Anyone else find some new Easter Eggs there?

#67. Posted by: KJC at May 4, 2006 2:20 PM

What was the one thing Henry said to Ana about his people being "good people" who hadn't "done anything" to her? He said this when he was asking why she killed two of his people. Is it possible that his are a separate set of people altogether? He claims that his people hadn't done anything and yet someone did some pretty horrendous things to the tailies.
Notice the numbers on tops of the police cars in the parking lot when Ana is talking to Chief mom? 15, 16, 23 Gotta love the level of detail in this show.
Did it look like Eko falling off a cliff in the previews? I hope they don't kill him off--he's too cool. Won't miss old sneer face though! Libby can't be dead--otherwise how will Hurley ever get to the bottom of where he knew her from? Also in the previews for next week it sounded as if someone said "She's dead" referring to Ana, which to me would indicate that there's only one person dead.
The guys that write this show are friggin geniuses. When they have all of us scraping for tidbits in every little detail including the previews, they have us right where they want us!

#68. Posted by: chris at May 4, 2006 2:20 PM

Does anyone know where I can see a pic of the blonde woman Christian goes to see concerning his daughter? I thought she looked old enough to be Claire's mother...but now everyone's saying she looked early 30's.
Mac...I think I'm in love with you. I've been reading your reviews for a while now, and just joined recently. Thank you for allowing me to join the LOST train late in the game!

#69. Posted by: clickhere4angie at May 4, 2006 2:22 PM

hookedonlost,
I think you're on to something.. The unforgivable thing Dr.Dad did was to hook up with his son's fiance, and now he's searching for her in Australia (my daughter=my daughter-in-law). He's calling ana-lucia "sarah" in the meantime.

#70. Posted by: Sabrina at May 4, 2006 2:27 PM

libby is out like a fat chick in dodgeball. shes got a new show on cbs this fall and you just dont come back from two, COUNT EM: TWO, shots to the abdomen without a medical staff standing by to do emergency surgery. the location of her injuries would put the bullets somewhere near her stomach, intestines and kidneys (if they passed through far enough). a bullet to any of these organs could be fatal in itself. i guarantee we will see the rest of libby's back story but dont expect her to be around for any more current events. remember who made the guarantee first.

#71. Posted by: JAC at May 4, 2006 2:31 PM

i'm sure eko falling off that cliff is merely a dream he is having

#72. Posted by: schiano at May 4, 2006 2:31 PM

Both Ana and Shannon died after they became 'fixed' of their personal problems. Shannon died after admitting to be happy to Sayid, and Ana said last night to Michael that she couldn't kill HG (which the old Ana would have done). Even though I don't agree on the whole purgatory theme, it seems for some on the island that once you turn good, you die.

#73. Posted by: Saint at May 4, 2006 2:36 PM

Did Michael plan to kill AL. It seems that it was too convenient for that to happen.

1) He needed a gun, so how did he know that AL would have one?
2) If he was sent by the others to do exactly what he did, then how did they know that AL wasn’t going to kill HG first?
3) Didn’t AL plan to kill HG because he tried to kill her first? (Michael did not know about that before hand)
4) Everyone left to go get guns from Sawyer, partially because of the story that Michael had told them… was his original plan just to free HG?
5) When he woke up and walked over to AL he didn’t seem like he was really planning on doing anything..

Another Point:
None of the Others have ever actually said anything bad about the other Others. HG and Ethan and Goodwin only said positive things about the group. But Michael bad mouths the Others in his attempt to have AL give him the gun… so it doesn’t seem like he’s been brainwashed.

Maybe Michael was just waiting for an opportunity. He saw his chance to free HG but when he shot AL, it seemed as if it was planned so I’m having a little trouble looking at the facts and seeing them all connect logically. It seems too much like an act of opportunity because to plan for those events to play out the way they did would be impossible. This leaves me to believe that there is a lot more behind Michael’s connection with the Others than simply being brainwashed or making a deal with them.

Side Note:
Does the lock combination number that AL gave to Michael (18-left 1-right 31-left) mean anything? As far as I know these numbers are new.

#74. Posted by: LP526 at May 4, 2006 2:38 PM

ransomjackson....good point about Libby getting the "Oh My God, Hurley's going to figure out who I am, I guess I better have sex with him right away to distract him" look. That's why I still believe she is one of the Others. And it did seem strange the way she was holding the blankets IN FRONT of her when Michael shot her. Wouldn't it make more sense to have them under her arm? My spidey senses are tingling...there's definitely something still going on there.

LP526....I thought the same thing about the numbers. Seems strange that they keep recycling the same numbers (for the police cars, the flight number, etc) and now all of a sudden, it's like the writers realized that other numbers even exist. Maybe they're part of a combination to one of the other hatches?

Finally, I can't find it now, but someone mentioned that Dr. Daddy was intentionally trying to get AL on flight 815 when he asked her to accompany him to Australia. Doesn't make sense...he needs to get her on the right RETURN flight, goes and dies (or whatever happens to him) and then she still miraculously ends up on the right return flight?

#75. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 4, 2006 2:48 PM

How's this for an idea? Libby is not dead but when Henry Gale escapes, he takes her with him to cover for Michael. Guess we'll have to wait till next week to find out.
Oh, and as far as Libby having the blankets in front of her, women tend to carry things in their arms in front of them while men tend to carry them under their arms (goes back to men carrying spears, women carrying babies).

#76. Posted by: Kathy at May 4, 2006 3:06 PM

Touche, Kathy!

#77. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 4, 2006 3:09 PM

KJC- If you go to the JOOP part of the website and view the "live" stream of the ape, a face will appear after a few minutes......you can go to lost.com under the "tail section" and see a still of it

#78. Posted by: GENIUS at May 4, 2006 3:14 PM

Micheal is definately NOT brainwashed....Setting Henry free is a trade or he would not have aplogized to AL before shooting her & he would not have teared up afterwards. He was definatley not mentally prepared to shoot Libby as he wasn't expecting anyone else to be in the hatch. Total necessity for his "HG has escaped" put the wool over everyones eyes plan. Besides, it really looks as if he wants to shoot Henry but knows he can't.

AS for Dr. Daddy, before AL gets out of the car you can also hear him state that he has been paying the mortgage on that house. Any possibilities that Jack has some flashback to his mother questioning missing money??? Putting another piece of the puzzle on the table.

#79. Posted by: jen at May 4, 2006 3:17 PM

Ok, I have no theories or ideas, but I do enjoy reading everyone elses. I just have one comment. Why is everyone concerned that Lost is "suddenly" killing people off? Who ever said this was a cheery "feel good" show? I think it is following its original concept perfectly. It is certainly keeping me interested. Just when I think I have things figured out, the show takes a left turn. One other thing, Libby couldn't have been carrying wine because she told Hurley that she would take care of the blankets and he could find Bernard and Rose and ask them for wine.
Looking forward to next week...

#80. Posted by: Amy at May 4, 2006 3:22 PM

Libby is definately dead! Just look at the title of this episode 'TWO for the road' so A-L went 'down the road' and so has Libby. Also someone mentioned above that Hurley and Libby were planning on having the picnic at the same place Shannon and Sayid had it...and look what happened to Shannon! :)

#81. Posted by: Vicki105 at May 4, 2006 3:24 PM

Food for thought - what a world of hurt Michael would have been in had the lock numbers AL gave not worked. He would have killed her, tried to open the door, and would have been SOL.

#82. Posted by: Scott at May 4, 2006 3:28 PM

If Libby is a compulsive liar (as has been suggested in the past), she may not tell the complete, whole truth, assuming she lives.
Compulsive liars often tell augmented versions of the "truth." I'm most interested to see if this is the case next week (again, assuming Libby lives).

#83. Posted by: cistecaise at May 4, 2006 3:29 PM

Is it possible that Dr. Daddy is not really dead - that he staged his death and now is the leader of the Others and seeking revenge on Jack and the others? Reasons for this are that HG mentioned that the leader is very smart, but unforgiving. When Daddy was talking to AL in the car, he told her he could never go back to LA because he could never forgive his son for losing his medical license. Also, Jack only could find an empty coffin which is another indication that Daddy may be alive. If Daddy is involved with the Others, this would also make sense in the Other's strong interest in Claire (possibly his daughter).

#84. Posted by: Doug at May 4, 2006 3:36 PM

I wouldn't be shocked to find out that Claire is Jack's half-sister. But why did Christian go to house at 4:30am in the pouring rain? Dramatic effect?

And, I definitely think (and did so even back when we found out Sarah was having an affair) that Christian and Sarah were sleeping together behind Jack's back.

One question: if Henry Gale is the leader of the Others, why would he let himself get caught in Rousseau's net, not knowing for sure whether he would live or die at the hands of the Losties? Doesn't really make sense. But one thing is for sure, he is SO f'in with Locke's head! No way that he was "coming for John because he's one of the good ones." Did you see that flash of hope in Locke's eyes when Henry said that? He so wants to believe it's true, and that he'll find what he's been looking for. Locke covered for Henry trying to kill Ana because he wants to learn more about what Henry is up to. Locke wants to believe he, himself, is one of the "good" ones. But Henry is just toying with him, for whatever reason.

#85. Posted by: Amanda at May 4, 2006 3:45 PM

...and it would also explain why Jack saw Daddy Dearest in Hawaii....er, on the island.

#86. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 4, 2006 3:46 PM

I'll just make a quick observence. Jack points the gun at Sawyer and demands the guns. Sawyer reaches for his back (Like there was going to be a shootout or something) and gets mad because AL took his gun. Since AL wanted the gun so badly (asked him twice), don't you think he'd have noticed while getting dressed that THE GUN WASN'T THERE???? HELLLLLLO!!!!

#87. Posted by: Ronny B at May 4, 2006 3:48 PM

I just have to say that I'm sorry to see AL go; I liked the sneer and the attitude. She kind of reminds me of myself, except her bosy's much better. *snicker*

And I have to make the claim that I am the first one that called Michael's return being nothing but bad news (yes, I'm jumping in on this pissing contest).

I agree with all the other people before me that wrote that Michael is not brainwashed -- he knows full well what he is doing, but I do believe he is acting under duress. I have no idea what I'd do if someone snatched my son.

I also like someone's idea that maybe Michael believes that life is better on the Other side and is a willing participant, but because he shows remorse, I'd say he's acting under duress

#88. Posted by: CA66 at May 4, 2006 3:52 PM

Ronny, good point, but he just got laid, the first time in how many days? Probably didn't have his head screwed on straight :o

#89. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 4, 2006 3:54 PM

HUGE typo -- AL's body's much better than mine (it kills me to type it twice).

#90. Posted by: CA66 at May 4, 2006 3:54 PM

Thank you Ronny B - I was thinking the same thing!

#91. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 4, 2006 3:54 PM

wrong...FACT: episodes were filmed AFTER DWI

#92. Posted by: DonnaD at May 4, 2006 3:55 PM

It seemed to me that michael was especially freaked out when he found out that libby was the person he accidentally shot. theres something wierd about her beyond that she was in the mental hospital w/ hurley and i think that shes one of the higher ranking officials in the OTHERS crew. There was a look of pure terror on michael's face after he discovered it was libby and not one of the random losties he'd shot. i think shes been making secret trips back to the OTHERS camp, meeting with michael and helping him plan the HG breakout. anyone else think it was a little too convenient that she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

#93. Posted by: Matt at May 4, 2006 3:57 PM

Hey DonnaD,

Yes the episodes were filmed after the DWI but the producers and creators of the show confirmed in an interview that AL's character was only a 1 season character back in February '05. They did this interview a couple of weeks ago and mentioned that they knew people would claim they were killed off as a result of the DWI, but they swear that when the character was first being discussed, over a year ago, it was decided that the character would only be on for one season.

#94. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 4, 2006 3:59 PM

Here is the shortcut to the interview i mentioned above:

http://elfurl.com/bgtid

#95. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 4, 2006 4:02 PM

I wonder if Libby was heading to the hatch to grab a quick shower before heading off with Hurley. (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) It's sad, so sad.

#96. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 4, 2006 4:06 PM

Maybe, just maybe Michael was freaked about shooting Libby simply because she was on the "good" list.

And was I the only one who heard Dr. Daddy say he was paying that mortgage???

#97. Posted by: JEN at May 4, 2006 4:27 PM

Jen -- Yup, the mortgage comment was definitely in there. I saw it in the closed captioning as well. -- Mac

#98. Posted by: mac at May 4, 2006 4:32 PM

What's the big deal if Libby's dead, they can still show her back story, just like Shannon.
What is up, no Charlie or Claire lately? Sayid too!?!?!

#99. Posted by: Sayid's Lover at May 4, 2006 4:34 PM

cistecaise (or anyone else): pls explain your comment about libby possibly being a compulsive liar. i don't remember anything about that. Thanks

#100. Posted by: Dano at May 4, 2006 4:34 PM

I wonder if there are two groups of "Others". Maybe "Mr. Friendly's" group only dresses up like the other group (in tattered clothes) as a way to disguise their real identity. It seems like Michael may have been brainwashed by Mr. Friendly as a way to get the losties juiced to go after the other group of "others" (the true barefoot & tattered clothes wearers). Perhaps they are the Hattfields and McCoys of island life and the losties are pawns.

I also wonder if the meaning of HG's comment to Locke about Locke standing up for him and letting everyone know how HG helped Locke out from under the blast door was not meant for Locke to explain this to the Losties but to the Others when HG brings Locke back with him. Perhaps he hopes Locke will save him from the wrath of "Him", if Locke is truly a "wanted" man by the Others.

Great episode and fantastic recap! First time post(er) long time reader.

#101. Posted by: PJ at May 4, 2006 4:36 PM

if anyone missed the show last night you can watch it for free on abc.com. Just thought would put it out there.

i didn't catch the part where Dr. Daddy mentions mortgage but i think i will go back and listen more carefully.

i doubt it if Dr.Dad was talking about his daughter-in-law coz he reminded me of Michael when he lost his kid...he just really wanted to see jack's half-sister....who is NOT Kate!!!

#102. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 4, 2006 4:43 PM

oops...i meant Claire and NOT Kate...LOL!

#103. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 4, 2006 4:45 PM

Another stunning episode, and a worthy review indeed! Thanks again mate! :)

#104. Posted by: lyndak at May 4, 2006 4:45 PM

I believe its possible that michael didnt find a thing during his time away. And this fueled his frustration and caused him to come to the conclusion that he will never find walt by himself. So he killed Ana and let HG go free to get the group motivated about finding the others and his main focus Walt.

#105. Posted by: stomo at May 4, 2006 4:45 PM

I believe its possible that michael didnt find a thing during his time away. And this fueled his frustration and caused him to come to the conclusion that he will never find walt by himself. So he killed Ana and let HG go free to get the group motivated about finding the others and his main focus Walt.

#106. Posted by: stomo at May 4, 2006 4:46 PM

I think Mike is threatened by the Others to give him Walt back if Mike gaves them the lostaways.

#107. Posted by: Neil at May 4, 2006 4:51 PM

what if we never get a backstory on Libby because she wasn't on the plane? Another posting by mac on this site, posted just before Libby became a character, cites to a TV Guide description of her character as one "who may or may not have been on the plane."

So far, there have been no backstories on the Others (or Rousseau).

#108. Posted by: dano at May 4, 2006 4:53 PM

Hi all,
Quick observation....

We were lead to believe that Christian has been drinking for about 4 days straight and then decides to take off to "find his daughter".

Was it just me, or was Christian very coherent after such a binge. Actually he didn't seem that drunk. A bit belligerent yes but smashed - no.

Any thoughts on this?

Aloha

#109. Posted by: hawaii_lost at May 4, 2006 4:53 PM

First time poster, though I've read a bunch of the blogs/responses. So be kind...

Here's what crossed my mind when Michael entered the armory to face Henry Gale, but it is really out there. Remember Henry believes HIM will kill him for failing his mission and I really think Henry recognizes Michael. What if Michael is HIM? There's nothing that says HIM couldn't have been on the plane and Walt hadn't seen him in almost ten years before the flight? What if Michael's the one pulling the strings? Maybe he killed Henry, maybe he gave him a second chance and let him escape, who knows?

#110. Posted by: Kristine at May 4, 2006 5:09 PM

SPOILER ALERT!!! DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED. SPOILER ALERT!!!


I read somewhere that Libby will be in Eko's backstory at the airport so that would put her on the plane. Just a rumor maybe!!!

#111. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 4, 2006 5:11 PM

hawaii_lost, I think that maybe being an alcoholic, even binging for four days, he would seem better than most even when extremely drunk.
However, I do agree that he seemed very coherent...if a few drinks before surgery was obvious to a nurse, then four days of drinking should be a lot more apparent in his behavior than what we saw.
I like the play on words in the title:
It could refer to both Libby and AL being shot, but it also could represent the AL-Christian road trip and drinking excursion they go on...just a thought.

#112. Posted by: clickhere4angie at May 4, 2006 5:16 PM

Maybe it was just the Canadian version of the previews for next episode but I clearly remember a preview scene where a distraught Hurley is seen sitting over a prostrate Libby. Thus, Libby wounded but not dead.

#113. Posted by: Scoop at May 4, 2006 5:35 PM

Man, this blog is becoming way to popular. It is just too much to read through all the reactions.

#114. Posted by: SnakeJake at May 4, 2006 5:37 PM

one time only poster:
Im pretty sure libby is not an other becuase she had been with the tailies the whole time. In the first of second episod when they burned the plane and had the "funeral" for the people that died in the plane crash I remember the reading her name and saying she was some sort of docter. but i could be wrong considering I tend to forget stuff easily but this just stuck in my mind becuase I liked the name. well bye.

#115. Posted by: molly at May 4, 2006 6:00 PM

I really doubt Michael was brainwashed. He simply intended to make it look like Henry had shot him and Ana Lucia and ran off. Libby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and she startled him when he was already really nervous about doing this. His only objective was to stir up the pot even more so as to ensure that Jack and Locke and them would be all-for a war against the Others. He's desperate for his son now.

Remember how Beardy told Jack that he wouldn't let Michael find them? That's probably the case. Michael wandered around for days, unable to find anything.


Also, the season finale is supposed to be all about Desmond. But, Libby apparently ties into his backstory too.


Libby was shot but not killed. Jack and the others return in time to save her. She lies around unconscious for a couple of days while Michael and the others race off. She wakes up eventually, long enough to inform them that Michael shot her, before dying.

#116. Posted by: Harley at May 4, 2006 6:38 PM

one quick observation:

Henry can apparently hear everything through the door of his locked room. Ana Lucia told Michael the combination of the combination lock OUT LOUD. Not sure if that would do Henry Gale any good since you can only unlock it from the outside of the room, but if he were to break free from the hatch (as he very well might since he's untied) he now has that piece of information provided that the losties don't change the combination again.

I also wonder how much of the conversation he heard between Michael and the Losties about Michael's time with the Others. If Henry DID hear this conversation, he may very well know what Michael's plan is for him.

#117. Posted by: kate at May 4, 2006 6:52 PM

Kristine,

I too had the wild thought of Michael being "him". He points the gun at HG, says, "You have failed me for the last time." (Darth Vader style) and kills him. Shooting himself in the sholder was even better. Have to go back, but Hurley stepped on Libby's foot getting onto the plane. So, if she is an other, she was on the plane.

#118. Posted by: onelostdude at May 4, 2006 6:52 PM

I don't think that Michael is HIM...I mean, nothing in the flashbacks, or his actions so far point to that (of course, it could all be misleading). I don't think Henry recognized Micheal, I think it was more a matter of him hearing what Michael said and did...HG realized that Michael had shot AL (and someone else, although there was no way for HG to know it was Libby). I'm convinced that HG is set free and leaves, and Michael just convinces everyone else that HG was responsible for the whole thing.
Although, I am curious as to how Michael knew AL had a gun...his plan to get everyone to vacate the hatch, giving himself the opportunity to set HG free, clearly worked. But how did he know he would be able to get the combo to the lock? Or get a weapon to kill AL with? Was he planning on killing her with his bare hands if there had been no weapon?
All I'm sure about (from my own view) is that the Others definately had a hand in Michael's current behavior (whether through brainwashing, or making a deal with him to get back Walt)...

#119. Posted by: clickhere4angie at May 4, 2006 7:11 PM

First time poster, avid blog reader. Is it just me, or does it seem wierd that Jack's dad wanted AL to quit her job and follow him to Sydney to provide "protection", and all she ends up doing is sitting in a hotel/drinking for 4 days, and then when they get to the house, he tells her to stay in the car. Then the person answering the door at the house is a woman. I mean, what is she supposed to be protecting him from? Is he expecting there to be somebody else in the house, or is she protecting him from himself? (which she ended updoing...)
It would have been cool if AL had given Mikey the wrong combo as a test...

#120. Posted by: lostchao at May 4, 2006 7:45 PM

First off, to agree with everyone else--GREAT episode! Well worth the what, 3-4 week wait?
Secondly--the kid who plays Walt was on an epsisode of "My Name Is Earl" a few weeks ago. There's NO WAY they could bring that kid back to "Lost"! He hit a growth spurt and looks at least 2-3 years older than he did on Lost. If they bring him back, will there be some sort of genetic engineering reason? Maybe another tie in with the Dharma Project? Love to hear thoughts from anyone else on this topic.

#121. Posted by: mtngirl at May 4, 2006 8:16 PM

Got a different theory: All these characters are in a mental hospital and are undergoing group therapy. If you watch the shows again with this thought in mind you will see that there are lots of references to the characters being mentally unbalanced. All the strange things that are seen, Rose telling John that they both know that it will not take him that long (4 weeks)to heal, Libby being in the hospital with Hurley, and many more. The others are the orderlies or guards. The great man is the head doctor. When someone dies, that person has been cured and has been released. What is your opinion of this theory?

#122. Posted by: buggyrme at May 4, 2006 8:27 PM

Maybe everyone's gotten into the hallucinatory plants Locke smeared on the back of Boone's head...when they all come out of their drug-induced psychosis, they will simply be survivors on an ordinary island, only very, very hungover...

#123. Posted by: clickhere4angie at May 4, 2006 8:33 PM

First, I think Claire is Jack's half sister. If this is the case, then Aaron would be Jack's nephew, not bro, maxlife. But then again, stranger things have happened on this show.

Mac, I know you said that 'Sawyer's weapon was not a euphemism, but how about AL 'snatching' it away from him. I know - crude and in poor taste and I apologize if I offend, but dammit! I couldn't help myself.

Also, I was wondering if anyone noticed the same thing I did. I thought I saw on the right side of Michael's forehead what looked like a stitched up incision that was covered with something, like liquid skin bandaging, to hide it. I don't have tivo so I can't verify it myself, but could someone check and let me know if I need to put the crack pipe away on wednesdays. It would explain how the Others 'got into Michael's head'. Wow, that's 2 poor jokes now.

Lastly (sigh of relief) I think the Others that Michael saw proves that there are 2 groups of Others. When Michael described them, apart from the raggy clothes and tents, didn't he say they were old and pathetic? Descendants of the 'Black Rock' slave ship. I don't see the Hanso Others putting on some great charade for the losties benefit. And even when Zeke had on his fake beard, his clothes weren't ragged and he was wearing shoes. The group Michael saw weren't. Isn't that what he said? Same thing with Goodwin and Ethan. Clothes were old, but not ragged and they wore shoes. And has anyone noticed that anytime we've seen certain groups of Others that we never see them from the knees up?

#124. Posted by: Curtis at May 4, 2006 8:49 PM

There was some speculation that Libby might not be dead and that Ecko might be the second person to die. In the preview for next week, it looks like he is falling a great distance. However in the small descriptions for the episodes scheduled for May 17th and May 24th, Ecko is mentioned in a present day sense so I think he is "safe"

#125. Posted by: El at May 4, 2006 9:13 PM

Oh, that is not to say I think that Ana-Lucia and Libby are both dead because I think one of them is alive and well. I just am not sure which one.

#126. Posted by: El at May 4, 2006 9:14 PM

I agree that Libby is probably wounded and will be alive long enough to spill the beans. Bad luck Hurley strikes again right?

Didn't Jack go to the morgue in Sydney to identify Dr. Dad's body? I think the guy is dead but may somehow have been involved in the whole Hanso thing before he checked out. Sure seemed funny that he called A-L Sarah-- but having an affair with Sarah??? She didn't seem too cool about those doctor hours and jeez he drinks too much! Maybe the writers are trying to lead us astray....nah they wouldn't do that!

I think Michael is on the brink of a nervous breakdown. He once lost his son to his now dead wife, finally gets him back and bonds with the kid, then Zeke snatches him away. He was pretty adamant about taking the gun and knocking Locke out before he left too. Then he runs around the jungle for days with no success. He is an emotional basket case... someone has to be right? His plane crashes, polar bears chase him, there is a smoke monster and a spooky hatch and a bunch of raggedy nuts stealing kids and killing people. That would do it for me! It is strange that he would run into Jack and Kate then collapse for a day and wake up with a headache. hmmmmmmm maybe, maybe not. Did you see how he was shaking, trying to keep his s**t together? But I do not think he is brainwashed, he was conflicted about killing AL but blood is thicker than water.... and shot Libby because she burst in on the scene but he is on a mission....Walt it is all about Walt. I cannot wait for next week!

I sure did not see any of these things coming, what a shocker! Kudos to the LOST folks for another fine and twisted episode (Twin Peaks used to be my fav show of all time but not anymore) and Mac, you keep getting better, your review was awesome...always as good as the episode. This blog is one of the best there is. Everyone's ideas are the terrific!

#127. Posted by: Lesley at May 4, 2006 9:20 PM

Mac, long time reader, first time poster. Thanks for your weekly reviews. You nail it on the head every time and your wit really helps my Thursdays and the rest of the week. I will be going in to withdrawals this summer I'm sure

Anyways. My thoughts are everywhere but I wanted to bring back Mr. Eko's beard cutting apology to Faux HG. Now that Faux HG is shown trying to kill for the death of his clan. Maybe Eko knows a lot more than we think, from when he stared in the eye of the monster. Maybe this is why he confessed, and is now building a church. to make up to the others. He can't die this season. He needs anothewr flashback episode and to remain. I like his style and dialogue. Slow and precise.

Also Maybe the island is a board game. Two types of people, one white, the other black. And by surrounding other colors they can flip colors. The players of the island (DeGroot and Hanso) are trying to recruit white and/or black types to win the island. What constitues this "good" "bad" thing is still up in the air, but man of science, man of faith is possible. Kind of like Heaven and hell recruiting souls for the apocolypse.

#128. Posted by: Stephen at May 4, 2006 9:25 PM

Mac,

Great review as always! Missed two important facts. Ana Lucia's lie to Libby when she asked what happened to her head. (Think Ana said she cut herself shaving.) and then Locke and Ana Lucia's lie to Jack about Ana's cut.

#129. Posted by: Sam at May 4, 2006 9:47 PM

I still feel that there really are TWO differnet groups of "Others." The "HANSO" others, and those that are part of the Dharma Initiative being overseen by the HANSO others. We have clearly seen what I believe to be two very different types of "natives" on the island -- those who are dressed rather neatly -- Ethan, Goodwin, "Henry Gale" -- this group also includes those who are dressed in costumes ("Zeke" and his fellow rafties), as we know from "Maternity Leave" that Ethan and "Zeke" are working together. Then there is the group we have seen (I believe) two times -- the barefoot "savages." They are the ones who attacked the Tailies and captured the children and the rest of the Tailies. They are also the ones whom Jin and Eko saw in the woods, walking through the jungle without making a sound. THIS is the group of Others Michael describes having seen. I think this group is part of the experiment on the Island, and Zeke & HG and crew are running the experiment, for Alvar Hanso and the HANSO Organization. Unless, of course, the "savage" others are only in costumes as well...

As for Eko dying in next week's episode, I doubt it. I believe that the following week's episode description (airdate 5/17) says something along the lines that Charlie is concerned because Eko has decided to stop building his church. Charlie wouldn't be concerned about it if he knew the reason was because Eko was dead.

Someone also mentioned about the conversation Rose and Locke had, about knowing that it wouldn't take long as long as Jack thought. This conversation goes back to the fact they each of them knows the other has been healed by the island. Rose knows that Locke was wheelchair bound before arriving on the island, and Locke knows that Rose was taking some sort of medication before arriving on the island (he picks it up for her in the airport after she drops it, if I recall correctly). So the fact that some of the characters who have had interactions with each other prior to the island goes unmentioned to the viewers, it doesn't mean that the characters are completely oblivious to the fact that they have seen each other before. When all these people are in the same airport, waiting for the same flight, they are BOUND to run into each other before getting onto the actual flight.

Also, I've wondered about this for a while, but has anyone else given thought to the fact that back in season one, when Jack found his Dad's coffin, it was empty?? Where is the late Dr. Sheppard???

#130. Posted by: stocky at May 4, 2006 10:09 PM

I totally think that he either got brain washed or the more likely on is that the others saw him before he saw the "real" them.

If he got brain washed he would now basicly be an other like on their side thats why when Ana killed Goodwin the others want to kill her and since he knew her they told him to do it.

If the others found him before he found them that would go back to a past episode when Jack, Locke, and Sawyer (Kate too) tryed to follow Michale when he first went out to seach for Walt, when the guy that was standing there said "Him, Michale will never find us". If he could never find the real them that would mean that they would be dressed in costume. They are smarter than they look! And they would be gaurding a "hatch" because that would be where other people are where all of the missing kids are where all of the technology is, where everything is. Not in tepees not eating dried fish, not all old. He saw this out of them was satisfyed with what he saw even though his son wasnt there but he thought if he didnt have anything to stop him (Ana Lucia) then he would be able to get Jack and everyone to find HIS son.

Or did none of this happen and Michale was just in the jungle too long and went crazy him self and then felt since they took his son that he needed revenge and just coulnt take it out on anybody so he took it out on Ana.

By the way Ana was my favorite character, I hope something really weird happens like that that whole part where Michale says hes orry and she gives him the armory combination was all a dream. I hope Michale dies now, I hate him if Ana is dead and somthin werid dint happen.

#131. Posted by: AIMme at May 4, 2006 10:12 PM

I don't know if anyone else saw this, but near the start of season 2, just before Desmond ran away, I am pretty sure I saw that he had a picture of a woman on his bedside that looked like Sarah (Jack's wife) So I think that it was Desmond who she was having an affair with.

#132. Posted by: Bryan123 at May 4, 2006 10:30 PM

Totally mind-blowing episode!

A few thoughts:
1) Did anyone catch the look between Kate and Jack when Michael talked about the Others' shabby clothing? It stands to reason that Kate will be able to call "b-s" on Michael as the events of this week's episode get sorted out.

2) I don't understand why some people think that the Others want/need help capturing Losties. As evidenced by the Others' ability to take people at will (and very quietly - the Cindy-snatching still ranks as my most chilling Lost moment!) we know that the Others have infiltrated the group in the past primarily to get information. When they want to take someone, they do!

3) If the Others really wanted Locke, they could have snatched him at any point when he was in the middle of the jungle, all alone, excavating the hatch. HG just loves messing with Locke's head!

#133. Posted by: Van at May 4, 2006 10:43 PM

Stocky:
Its weird, I was just about to post the same thing about the two sets of Others. Thanks for pointing it out so well. The first thing I thought when Michael was telling Jack and Kate about the Others wearing old clothes etc. was, "why isn't Kate saying anything, she knows those are just costumes?", but now I remember when Eko and Jin were in the jungle watching the bare-foot, tattered clothes go by. SO I really think there are two sets of Others.

#134. Posted by: Christina at May 4, 2006 10:49 PM

I didn't get it. Are you saying that Michelle Rodriguez sneers?

#135. Posted by: Phil at May 4, 2006 11:07 PM

Noooooo, I would never say that ;) -- Mac

#136. Posted by: mac at May 4, 2006 11:09 PM

I’m really stuck on the fact that Libby is an Other:

1. The character has no last name on IMDB. The only other character with no last name is Ethan. (Henry Gale is a fake name, so it doesn’t count)

2. Her response to Ana Lucia – “don’t do anything stupid” – had an odd ring to it. She didn’t seem concerned for AL, just angry.

3. She’s not in the preview for next week

4. No back-story so far

5. Her face turned evil, soap opera style, when she was hugging Hurley at the cliff a few episodes ago. If she were just a stalker, I think she’d be genuinely happy to be with him.

That said, she may very well be dead. My guess is that HG will take her with him when he leaves and we’ll find out more about her when we meet the Others.

Best blog ever, MAC. I now look forward to Thursdays as much as Wednesdays. Thanks!

#137. Posted by: Puff&Ellis at May 4, 2006 11:18 PM

Dano,
I'm referencing an article from Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide where this was revealed:
"Q. Is it possible that Lost's Libby is not a doctor, but a ********** ****? Ausiello: That's what I'm hearing, yes. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide [Note: We do not know for sure what was *** out, but most LOST fans believe it's "compulsive liar" some think it's "television star." On February 1, Ausiello gave a hint: *******i** ****.]"

#138. Posted by: cistecaise at May 4, 2006 11:27 PM

I thought Michael's turn on his fellow losties was predictible and I was disappointed. After all this time, the writers have created a smart, intelligent, sophisticated, psychological enemy and we are to believe Michael's nonsense about two guns, tipees and dirty clothes? They let him go for a reason. Everything has a purpose with the others and Michael is no exception.

Killing Ana Lucia and Libby(?) was a shocker. I would have liked to see the Libby/Hurley back story when they were both in the hospitol.

HOPE THEY DON'T GET RID OF EKO. HE ROCKS!

#139. Posted by: Kimberly at May 5, 2006 12:29 AM

Man, so many posts now I think a lot of it has been covered...

I joked before last night's ep that maybe the DWI Duo would get whacked, but I was still surprised... but lets start with that:

1) AL is definitely dead. I'm not so sure about Libby. She was holding those blankets/pillow? in front of her, and that's going to slow down the bullets a tad. If she was holding anything substantial under them like a metal tray or something, even better. I have the feeling, with all this pilot info (I like Watros as libby, but could she carry a whole show?), that we're supposed to think she's dead... but to qoute the immortal python I think she's "not quite dead yet". Abdominal wounds are more survivable with a good surgeon (who's no doubt trucking it to the hatch as we speak) and antibiotics. If nothing else, I think she'll linger at least through the season finale.

2) Michael - brainwashed? mind control? skinnerian behaivor modification run amuck? hard to call the mechanism but I think safe to say he's acting in order to get Walt back. Kate *should* call BS on his observations of Other life, and the others they encountered - Ethan, for instance - wasn't a thin, old teepee pushover... you'd think the losties would think twice on it. Also, Michael says he didn't see the boat. This should also give them pause, because the boat should be wherever the Others main base is, one would think.

I am intrigued by the idea that there might be two groups of Others, the high tech controllers and then the savages (experiment)... but I think more than likely the savage appearance is used to intimidate their targets (ie. the prop makeup).

3) HG seemed like perhaps a minor Other who got caught, I don't think he's the "leader", but now he's seeming more and more like a legit mid-major Other and that perhaps this was all part of some plan. I can believe, in some ways, that he came to get Locke (physically or mentally), perhaps due to Walt's affinity for Locke. Maybe Walt is asking for Locke to join them in Other-town?

4) I think Michael's mission is to try to trick the Losties into a foolish attack. I feel like they've introduced a lot of random losties in the past few eps to allow them to be "Arzt'd" in the season finale. I am hoping beyond hope that Kate, Jack and the other losties get their heads on straight and figure out it's a trap. I'm hoping Jack is able to tell that Michael's gunshot wound was self-inflicted (maybe he spent some time volunteering in thailand, who knows...) but he should be able to tell the gun was held up against Michael's arm when discharged, and the angle is likely very odd for any sort of a struggle (from the top, down at an angle, but didn't penetrate his body? isn't that convieeeeeeeenent). Hoping Libby hangs on long enough to incriminate him, too.

So I think Michael is supposed to lead them to a trap, and, as a bonus, free HG... AL was in the way and had to be silenced. Libby was collateral damage (he seemed shocked at his actions). HG coulda fled when Locke was stuck in the door. He stayed for a reason.

5) Who was Dr. Dad going to see? I like the theory that his "daughter" is daughter-in-law, and the woman at the door isn't the mother but a friend/roommate/caretaker... for it to be Claire is just too silly, although it would explain her poor choice in men.

It would be interesting - a great storyline - if Jack's Dad was goin to Australia in some vain attempt to salvage his relationship with his son by reuniting him with his ex-wife. I have read theories before that Desmond was perhaps involved with Sarah. He was Australian, no? So maybe it was Sarah - the tie in with AL's "nickname" would be perfect. If we're right about this, I'll faint. :)

I've gone on too long - thanks to Cinci for the skinner props, and a few others. I do tend to ramble but I enjoy the journey.

looking forward to the interactive game as well :)

until next time
BH

#140. Posted by: biohazard at May 5, 2006 12:49 AM

good lord, sorry about the length :)

BH

#141. Posted by: biohazard at May 5, 2006 12:51 AM

interesting how they threw in the Hanso commercial...

Leslie Nielson must be stopped !!!
( he is Alvar )

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#142. Posted by: thinng at May 5, 2006 2:16 AM

I think we are all over looking something. Remember the reason Michael ran off into the jungle? It was because he thought he had contacted Walt on the computer. Maybe this is a plan between Michael and who he thinks is Walt. Spend a week in the jungle, come back with stories of the other's weekness, and start a war. I think that is Michael's intention, to start a war. I don't think he really saw anything, but I don't think the others caught him either. He didn't plan to shoot anybody, but he realized that this would help his cause. He shoots AL, accidentally shoots Libby, Wounds himself, and perhaps kills Faux HG and claims he overcame him in a struggle. Of course, since I wrote this all down it will never happen.

#143. Posted by: Kyle at May 5, 2006 2:31 AM

i can't get threw all the posts i'm sorry if this is been brought up (i've been reading like an hour my eyes are starting to bleed!)but why is it soo OK that anna no longer could "kill" i mean its not a good thing when people kille eachother right?
also, there is no way in sam's heck that GH is the "leader". why would ANY leader allow himself to be caught, he would know know that bad things would happen to him. no one would allow them selves to be beatup, tortured, even killed if they were the leader of ANY group.
now then i know i just said that murdering people is bad, but i have to confess that i did cheer when they shot anna. but i'm evil and stuff.
sawyer has the best lines, tho locke did get his own good one in.
on a total side note GO SUNS!
thank you,
L~

#144. Posted by: Laura at May 5, 2006 2:32 AM

...oh,... Walker, Texas Ranger, yes... and possibly T. J. Hooker ...with a stern scolding to ensue.


"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#145. Posted by: thinng at May 5, 2006 2:32 AM

side note,... Lakers = greatest team in history

Stop Tim Thomas and Leslie Nielson !

#146. Posted by: thinng at May 5, 2006 2:39 AM

lakers didn't look like it in OT tonight :P
mac (and everyone else)- i wanted to tell you that the shirts we can order are FABULOUS! :)
one more lost note, the previews never ever give THAT much away, no way they would show a death in a preview. so mr. eko is going to be OK...at least in next weeks ep.
go suns
thank you,
L~

#147. Posted by: Laura at May 5, 2006 2:52 AM

Did anyone notice that Michael allowed Henry to escape in exactly the same way Sayid helped Nadia escape (Episode 9, 1st Season)? Kill the witnesses, let the prisoner run, and shoot yourself in a limb as an alibi. Sayid should be suspicious once he hears the story.

#148. Posted by: Anonymous at May 5, 2006 3:28 AM

"Does this count as community service for Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros?" That sh*t was funny.

#149. Posted by: DanNDfan at May 5, 2006 4:30 AM

NEW entry on the diary at abc:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/107396.html

#150. Posted by: Skandalouz at May 5, 2006 4:44 AM

Apologies if this has already been posted, but last season when Hurley is going looking for answers about the numbers, he goes to the mental ward and he's talking to a woman on reception, when he see's a man on a ladder wobbling fixing a light or something, Hurley shouts at him to STOP! DONT DO THAT RIGHT NOW MAN! as he thinks he's cursed and this guy is gonna fall and badly injure himself or worse, the man on the ladder is the fake henry gale!!

i was amazed when i saw it, watch it back yourselfs! everyone hates hugo episode i think

if this has been said already then oh well, i just couldnt be arsed reading through all the posts =P

#151. Posted by: Scott at May 5, 2006 6:07 AM

Hey,
I know this a little off subject but i was on ep3 s1 the one where kate's story is told. (the aussie outback).
Forgive me if wrong as we have only started s2 here in the UK, but am i correct in thinking that this hanso fellow has a fake arm?
Because if i am then it could the aussie bloke that finds Kate in his barn.
Can any help clear this up for me.

Great review mac your best line so far:
shirts and pants and guns are being tossed hither and yon.
Arr the art of traditional English diction used at its best, Shakespear would have been pround.
Dave

#152. Posted by: dave at May 5, 2006 6:30 AM

I watched the episode again last night, commercials and all, just to see the Hanso commercial, but couldn't find it. Where is it exactly?

Come to think of it, what an excellent ploy to get those of us who dvr this to begin watching the commercials in order to find some sort of lead....am I right?

Mac, your review had me in stiches. Your writing style is beginning to resemble my cousin's writing. He lives in New Zealand. Any chance that's where you are? If Mac is a psyuedonym, maybe you are one and the same...:) lol (no, really)

#153. Posted by: Meg at May 5, 2006 7:52 AM

So like did the lost game offically start can we go to some website?

#154. Posted by: evan at May 5, 2006 8:34 AM

Puff&Ellis made an excellent point about Libby's comment to AL about "don't do anything stupid". I'm not sure if she was angry or really concerned (you know, Libby didn't intend to, but while trying to infiltrate the group, she seems to have developed a soft spot in her heart for dear, lovely AL with the great facial expressions.) Anyway, that look and the comment are two more reasons why I think Libby is an Other.

#155. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 8:40 AM

not sure if this was already mentioned but doesn't anyone find it odd that sawyer didn't realize AL had taken his gun before his "confrontation" with jack and locke?

i mean, the guy carries the thing in the back of his pants 24/7 and he didn't notice he didn't have it?

#156. Posted by: vladi at May 5, 2006 8:49 AM

Meg, the commerical is about 35 minutes into the program.

BTW, blankets at that range are really not going to stop a bullet.

#157. Posted by: eko rocks!! at May 5, 2006 9:03 AM

evan, go to www.thehansofoudnation.org for the game. Also, check out the other blog on filmfodder re: game clues. http://www.filmfodder.com/tv/lost/archives/002643.shtml

Both great sites!

#158. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 9:35 AM

sorry, typo in my last post....correct website for the game is www.thehansofouNDation.org

#159. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 9:36 AM

Scott - are you sure that the guy on the ladder is Faux Henry? I'm stuck at work and obviously can't just check my Season 1 DVD right now, but I'm totally intrigued! Hurley was the first Lostie with a connection to the numbers, and to that point, he thought they had ORIGINATED at that hospital. In my opinion, if you're correct about it being the same actor, that's huge! (You can't check IMDB for extras can you?)

#160. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 5, 2006 10:15 AM

As far as the blankets stopping bullets - obviously not, but they would slow them down to varying degrees depending on material, density and thickness. More importantly, we don't know what she's holding behind the blankets - maybe a boxed set of geronimo jackson?

I'm just thinking Libby isn't dead yet - I think she'll linger at least through the end of the season. They haven't done much of her back story, but she can be dead and still live on in backstories, there is a good precedence for that (shannon, ethan, goodwin, etc...) AL, no doubt at all, is dead.

Also, I left this out of my earlier rambling, but I think the "Good people" bit is likely part of the overall cult mentality of the Others. Nothing like reassuring people that they're "good people" all the time to get them to commit all manner of atrocities against "bad people"... ie. "You're good people, go steal the innocent children from the bad people so we can raise them to be good people" etc.

I also dig the gene therapy angle on some of the happenings. The new Hanso Website has more than a few mentions of gene therapy in it, regarding health improvement and the life extension projects. Also interesting electromagnetic project description including a reference to radio waves skipping through the air... so I think the EM angles related to some island happenings are also valid, especially considering the blast door map notes.

One final point (brevity isn't one of my attributes)... what do people think about the smoke monster = "cerebus" = island security system angle? I'm thinking they're all one in the same, and the "CV" markings on the blast door map are "cerebus vents" where the monster deploys from and retreats too - this would be the "hole" that it tried to drag Locke into back in Season 1...

ok, enough for now, back to work
BH

#161. Posted by: biohazard at May 5, 2006 11:01 AM

I think it was kind of a waste to focus so much of the episode on AL's backstory if she was going to croak. I think it's sole purpose was to reveal that Jack has a 1/2 sister (makes sense that it could be Claire) who will be revealed at some point in the future...but not by AL! And now there's no way Jack will ever find out AL spent time with Dr. Dad- not that it's of any real signifigance anyway.

No way Jack's wife was having an affair with Dr. Dad. That would be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire for her. But I believe it was with someone we know- possibly Desmond.

I thought it was pretty cheesy that Sawyer didn't know the gun was gone for so long. He should've known the screwing was meant to be a distraction. Usually, you can't con a Con!

I think it's very significant that Eko apologized to Faux Henry for killing those Others. He can now be seen as 'good' again in their eyes, and Eko somehow realizes that's important. Then again, maybe he was just cleansing his soul!

I agree that Faux Henry is NOT the leader. No way he would've put himself in such jeopardy at the hands of the Lostaways.

I thought it was interesting that the preview showed Hurley telling Michael that he was glad he was okay or whatever. Shows that he didn't know it was Michael who shot Libby...at least not yet. I do think Libby will come around just long enough to rat out Michael before he croaks.

Outstanding and very entertaining review as usual Big Mac.

#162. Posted by: JoePike at May 5, 2006 11:02 AM

To those who think that Michael is mking up his story, and didn't see ANYTHING, I find that hard to believe. The only others Michael has seen were on the raft. Sure, their clothes were a little ratty, but they weren't as Michael described when he woke up, especially the "bare-feet" comment. To date, the only ones who have had contact, as far as WE know, with the bare-foot Others are the Tailies, during the abductions from their camp, and then Eko and Jin when they are hiding in the woods. Michael never saw any bare-foot Others before, so I feel that he really did find a camp with the people he described. This would explain why they didn't have more than two guns as well -- "Zeke" and his gang took the guns from Jack and the posse, and I think THEY are a completely different group than, but are somehow connected to, the "bare-foot" group we have seen. This lends support to the theory that there are two groups of others...

Fake Henry Gale was the guy changing the light bulb -- I'll have to go back and check that out for myself. If he is, then there really might be more to what Dave told Hurley than I originally believed. Maybe this is all in Hurley's mind, and he is still in the asylum. That would be sooooo lame though, so I doubt it's the case.

#163. Posted by: stocky at May 5, 2006 11:04 AM

Sorry, I meant before SHE croaks, meaning Libby! No time to proofread...

#164. Posted by: JoePike at May 5, 2006 11:06 AM

I just went and checked "Numbers." While the man on the ladder changing the light bulb looks an AWFUL LOT like Henry Gale, it isn't him -- it's definitely a different actor...

#165. Posted by: stocky at May 5, 2006 11:19 AM

Stocky -

Thank you. The idea of that possibility has been eating away at me this morning. Thanks for clearing that up!!

#166. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 5, 2006 11:21 AM

Most definitely the fact that Eko confessed to Henry Gale has significance. But the questions are: How did Eko know to do this? I don't remember what Henry said to him when he did confess? Well, back to work.

#167. Posted by: Meg at May 5, 2006 11:48 AM

Jerk-a-loo....I'm here too, but I'm glued to the Hanso Foundation website...this is BAD! If I lose my job bc I'm on this website too long, I might have to sue JJ Abrams for sucking me in so much! Just kidding...but I could see someone trying to play that angle. Be careful, JJ, we live in an awfully litigious society!

Anyway, I totally agree with you that Michael is brainwashed. That's why he apologizes to AL before killing her. He doesn't want to do it, but he's compelled. He is also helping the Others by trying to get the Losties to attack. Round them up and kill 'em all in one shot.

#168. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 12:31 PM

Hi - new to your great site . Question - has anyone ever talked about the wierd connection that "Henry Gale" is Dorothy's Uncle's name from the "Wizard of OZ"? Then on to the big hot air balloon.... that is part of Henry's story hmmmmm, ring a bell as part of the OZ movie too? How's that for an interesting twist?

Dr. J.

#169. Posted by: Dr. J at May 5, 2006 12:39 PM

Scott or hookedonlost: In that Everyone Hates Hugo episdoe from Season 1, do you see Hurley step on Libby's foot when he boards the airplane? If he does, maybe Libby's not a liar and is on the plane, obviously. Thanks

#170. Posted by: dano at May 5, 2006 12:44 PM

correction: in the Numbers episode from Season 1. Stocky? Any help?

#171. Posted by: dano at May 5, 2006 12:47 PM

Dr. J- the Wizard of Oz thing was discussed quite extensively...and exhaustively. Never hurts to ask though.

It was also discussed that Lib was in the TAIL section and Hurley got on the plane LATE and was in the FRONT section- so he couldn't have stepped on her foot either on the plane or running to get to the plane as she claims. She was probably lying to get Hurley to forget about trying to remember where he knows her from. (ie, the looney bin.) But this is why some see her as a pathological lyer. I just see it as her being embarrassed that she was in the looney bin too. But her alterior motive will hopefully be revealed in the future. Even if she croaks.

#172. Posted by: JoePike at May 5, 2006 12:48 PM

Dano,

I do not believe we as the audience actually see what Libby is talking about.

Think about it. If she was a Tailie, and he was a Frontie, why would he have stepped on HER foot as he boarded the plane??? Hmmm. My opinion is simply that she's harmless and NOT an other, but just doesn't want him to know that she was in the mental hospital with him. However, I've certainly been wrong before...

#173. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 5, 2006 12:49 PM

Joe Pike -

Great minds think alike, eh? LOL

#174. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 5, 2006 12:50 PM

Beat ya to it Hooked!!!

#175. Posted by: JoePike at May 5, 2006 12:51 PM

yeh i just checked on my boxset it is not HG also why is everyone still on about HG being the leader when he was whimpering that he was unforgiving SPOILER (not that much of one) the season finlae is called 'live together die alone' indicating someones gonna die, my hopes jin also the episode that hurley was in the pcsyc ward woz in numbers oh yeah i like the idea of HG kidnapping a barely alive libby that would be a twist, i also beleive that there are at least two types of others the decendants of the black rock and Hanso foundation Ethan, Goodwin, Gale. also has anyone noticed everyone that Locke as got close to on the island is missing or dead Boone, Ethan, Walt and from we know from the previews Eko.
i also dont think that michael is brain damage i just think that he saw the camp was stripped of his guns and (remember the gunshots) and went back to instigate a feud between the losties and the others ialso did anyone explain to michael that HG was in the hatch or did he know straight away, also i think libby is an other and michael knows about it did u see the expression on his face, mac also great review

#176. Posted by: rosier at May 5, 2006 12:51 PM

JoePike - thanks for the OZ update - I will try and find the blog with that info.
Dr. J

#177. Posted by: Dr. J at May 5, 2006 1:02 PM

well u sed it jerkaloo

what a jerk

#178. Posted by: unknown at May 5, 2006 1:07 PM

Apologies if someone has posted this before, but I just saw something on another site that suggests that Libby does die, but we learn her backstory through an additional backstory on...Desmond! I guess we knew he'd eventually get somewhere after running through the jungle.

#179. Posted by: dano at May 5, 2006 1:53 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I just came across a page on lostpedia--http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Widmore--that explains that Widmore Construction was owned hy Harry and LIBBY Widmore. And if I'm not mistaken, I also recall reading elsewhere recently that Libby is one of the few characters that doesn't have a last name in the show. Coincidence.....I think not!

PS. Sorry for putting the actual URL on here, couldn't get on to elfurl.com.

#180. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 1:57 PM

Some general thoughts after reading the posts.
Benard and Rose were separated at the crash, but most likely sat together on the plane. Maybe Benard went back to take care of business before the crash. The same thing could have happened between Hurley and Libby. Maybe she was just in the back at the time of the crash. I still think Hurley stepped on her foot. I never really thought Michael was 'him', but I like the conspiracy theorist idea of that. If HG is a peon in the other chain of command, then the rest of them are not to be trifled with. HG is a master of mind games.

#181. Posted by: onelostdude at May 5, 2006 2:00 PM

I seem to recall that Bernard was takin' a dump when the crap hit the fan (no pun intended and sorry for being so crude...OK, I'm not sorry, I LIKE being rude!)

#182. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 2:16 PM

I tend to agree that Libby is a pathological/compulsive liar, and that she escaped from the mental institution, and has been following Hurley around because she knows he won the lottery. We know she was in there while Hurley was, and Hurley didn't go in until after he won his millions. So she knows he's got money, and has been cozying up to him in her attempts to get it. I'll check through the DVD again to see if he ACTUALLY did step on her foot, but as someone else said, if it DID happen, I don't think the viewers were shown. As as many people have pointed out, if she was in the back of the plane, seated awaiting take-off, in her correct seat, then there is little to no chance that he stepped on her foot on the plane since he was last to board and was in the front/middle of the plane. I watched "Numbers" several times after I got the DVD, and I don't remember seeing Hurley step on anyone's foot. But I think it was in the season 1 finale when they actually showed Hurley running to catch the plane, so I'll go back and check that too...

#183. Posted by: stocky at May 5, 2006 2:30 PM

stocky...hurley didnt win his millions till after he left the hospital..
and i found this on imdb
Cynthia Watros as Libby Widmore
First appearance Adrift
Last appearance Live Together, Die Alone

so it looks like shell be around
till the last episode atleast

and notice the widmore last name?

#184. Posted by: stomo at May 5, 2006 2:44 PM

1)Why was Libby in the hatch? When she left Hurley on the beach they had just come out onto "their beach". Wouldn't she just go back to camp (which is on the beach) to get blankets rather than go to the hatch. I can't recall where the hatch is in relationship to the beach, but the beach camp seems much closer and wouldn't it already have blankets since that is where they sleep?

2)Why would Dr. Daddy need the "protection" of AL? He just happens to come up to her in the bar and says he wants her to come with him for protection? Why? Then when they are in the hotel he bangs on the door and says "it's time"--was he just killing time drinking in the hotel, or was there something that had to be carried out at an exact time?

#185. Posted by: Ruff at May 5, 2006 3:26 PM

SCOTT !!

Imposter Henry Gale was on the ladder when Hurley told him to stop huh ?? I dunnno. I gotta check my DVD's on that one.
Hmmm, that makes me ponder my theory that Libby is a spy or something also. Like there is many of them working it. It could all be a loooong, long con to get Hurley's $$$. Ya know, Libby shacks up with Hurley and becomes the beneficiary when he is declared insane AGAIN. Hurley would beleive anything she tells him now that she is wounded (if not pushin up the daisies). And maybe Locke's dad is Alvar and not Leslie Nielson (ha ha)
Of course , this is a sucky theory.


"we're gonna need a bigger boat "

#186. Posted by: thinng at May 5, 2006 3:49 PM

hey, anyone seen MI-3 yet? what is the reference to lost? wait, don't tell me coz i am going to watch it tonight!

just read a spoiler on YouTube about how next week's episode starts and not to ruin it all for you i will just say this....so many of us are WRONG!!!

Have a great weekend y'all!

#187. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 5, 2006 3:53 PM

The Hanso Foundation website gives me the willies.

#188. Posted by: CA66 at May 5, 2006 3:56 PM

How'd the geet a .org website anyway when they're ficticious? I thought only non- and not-for-profits got those. Can anyone get a .org site?

#189. Posted by: CA66 at May 5, 2006 3:59 PM

Bernard was not "taking a dump" at the back of the plane. He was in his seat. Remember when AL and Goodwin find him in the tree. He had his seatbelt on, and was up in the tree next to a dead guy who was also still in his seat.

Bernard and Rose were just sitting in different sections. It happens.

Oh, and my mind is going to be totally blown if Widmore is actually Libby's last name! No way!

#190. Posted by: Amanda at May 5, 2006 4:01 PM

kateplussun - gotta link for the YouTube spoiler?

#191. Posted by: CA66 at May 5, 2006 4:05 PM

Amanda, is it possible Bernard was such a sick bastard that he was takin a dump in someone else's seat? (snicker snicker)

Seriously, though, I thought Rose said he had gone to the restroom in one of the first epsiodes we met her (wasn't she sitting next to Jack and got into small talk with him on the flight or am I smoking crack?) Is it possible he jumped into a seat on his way back to his real seat? I find it hard to believe that Rose and Bernard finally find love at a ripe old age (ok, middle age), she is practically on her deathbed, and they let Oceanic sit them so far apart ON THEIR HONEYMOON????

#192. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 4:07 PM

Socompletelylost - You are absolutely right. Amanda, sorry but Bernard was in the restroom in the tail section of the plane when the severe turbulence started. The 'fasten seat belts' probaly came on and he jumped to the nearest available seat in the tail section and that's how he ended up on the Tailie side and in that tree. Jack even offered to keep Rose company til Bernard got back when they were making small talk.

#193. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 5, 2006 4:20 PM

socompletelylost,
I suppose it's possible that Bernard just grabbed a seat on his way back from the lavatory, but that sounds implausible to me. I'm guessing the writers didn't think a bunch of crazy fanatics would be picking apart every tiny detail of this show to see if it holds water! ; )

You're right that Rose and Jack talked to each other on the plane. That is true.

But the fact remains that Bernard was sitting in an airplane seat in the top of a tree when AL found him. Why he was sitting back there and not with Rose will just have to be a mystery, I guess.

#194. Posted by: Amanda at May 5, 2006 4:21 PM

I skipped down a good long way on the posts because I didn't want to forget this thought, so forgive me if someone has already said this. Regarding Mike's "plan". Someone has already said above that perhaps Mike just saw an opportunity when he woke up and AL was playing with the gun. Perhaps he had no mission from the Others, and was not brainwashed. He only had a loose plan to get back, get help, and go back for walt, not knowing the details of how he would accomplish it.

Now, what occurred to me as I was reading above... While he was talking to AL, he discovers a few things. 1)There's an Other locked in the armory, 2)he tried to kill AL earlier in the day, AND 3)Sawyer has all the guns except the one AL is holding (and the one Jack has)! Now, what if that is the very moment he formulates the plan to get the gun from AL, shoot her, let HG go as a good faith effort or force him to take him to the others to get Walt.

I know there are flaws in this theory, too, but right now, I don't see any way for all of the planets to align and fate to arrange things the way they happened for all of the events to be planned by Mike. AND for the plan to WORK! So...Some questions I have about this theory:

1) Why shoot AL?
2) Why did he need more guns when he took some before he left?
3) Where ARE the guns he took before?
4) Why can't I think of anymore questions?!

Any thoughts or ideas from the real thinkers on this site???????? -I don't count myself in your ranks!(:

#195. Posted by: karen at May 5, 2006 5:46 PM

My first thought when I saw the previews for next week with Michael in the armory is that he locked himself in there. That way it looks like faux HG locked him up and escaped. As for already having his arm in a sling, maybe there was something already in the armory from when HG was in there and he tied up his own arm. I doubt that the gang has figured it out this early that Michael was the perp in the murder/murders and the breakout of HG. If they already know that Michael was the shooter, they won't believe his story about the others being poorly armed. But at the same time, I'm sure Kate and Jack will put the pieces together regarding the grungy clothing and the costumes. We'll find out soon enough. Actually, soon enough isn't soon enough unless it's right now with this show.

#196. Posted by: Jeremy at May 5, 2006 5:53 PM

okay so i called the hanso foundation...at 1877 hansorg...and the same lady was talking that was on the website...anyway she gave u optioons...if u knew some password u had to press it...if not for general information press 1...well i did that and i pressed it three times and this man starts speaking in ?French? maybe or spanish i dont know and he says jamonero jackson is tall that is all i got out of it...then this girl picks up and she begins talking quitely lkike she cant be heard by anyone and she said if u want to know the truth about the hanso foundation then use breaking strain as the password...and she was like they are coming i have to go and u get cut off

i cant get enough of this show...i dont think libby is dead...but i think she is going to be uncounscious for a long time and it will be to late when she wakes up totell anyone that it was michael..

i think that lady that jacks daddy went to see was jacks ex wife and jacks dad got her pregnant adn that is why she left him

does anyone know what henry gale mummbled when she was talking to ana???

#197. Posted by: autumn at May 5, 2006 6:00 PM

Thinng: See, I think Alvar looks like "the Smoking Man" from X Files! Great comment!

#198. Posted by: karen at May 5, 2006 6:01 PM

Hookedonlost & Joepike: Just a thought, but, isn't it possible to board a large plane from a rear exit and have to walk up to the front? Seems like I have an image of that in the back of my brain from somewhere. Is that a possibility?

If so, then Hurly could have stepped on her foot while making his way to the front of the plane. I've never thought of that before, but...

Just playing devils advocate.

#199. Posted by: karen at May 5, 2006 6:20 PM

Hurley boarded from the front of the plane — it was shown during the season 1 finale. (He winks at Walt, remember?)

Also, Bernard was sitting next to Rose, in Jack's row in the front of the plane. (Row 23) Bernard went to the bathroom. Then, the plane hit minor turbulence, and the seat belt light came on. He probably "finished his business." Then, the crap REALLY hit the fan, and the plane started diving, before it broke in half. At that point, self-preservation would kick in and Bernard would strap himself into the first available seat he could find — in the back of the plane.

But Bernard DID have a seat next to Rose. It's all in the pilot episdoe.

#200. Posted by: Lost Fan BJ at May 5, 2006 6:47 PM

*** An Open Comment to People Who Assume Multiple Identities ***

Don't. Just don't do it. Don't have conversations with yourself. Don't stage fake "fights."

If you do it, I'll delete all the posts under all the identities -- including relevant posts -- because I really, REALLY, don't have time for it.

-- Mac

#201. Posted by: mac at May 5, 2006 7:10 PM

Someone said it's Libby WIDMORE?

Is that 100% confirmed?

#202. Posted by: The Duf at May 5, 2006 7:38 PM

Stomo--

You are correct. I went back and watched "Dave" again, and Hurley's time in the institution WAS before he won the lottery. For some reason, I thought it was after...

#203. Posted by: stocky at May 5, 2006 8:28 PM

Duf, Not sure if you would call this "confirmed", but I would....check out:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Widmore

It explains the construction company is owned by Harry and Libby Widmore and then if you click on her name, it brings you to her bio...same Libby as the one on the island....pretty freaky. So I guess the big question is whether or not you believe lostpedia is really a reliable source. Hmmm....sounds like a fun twist to me!

#204. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 5, 2006 8:39 PM

I don't think you can believe everything on Lostpedia, considering on their front page they state "Anyone can edit this page, even you".

#205. Posted by: Gigi at May 5, 2006 10:13 PM

Michael was not brainwashed nor did he make a deal with the others to get Walt back.1.He knows if he kills AL nobody will cry because she killed Shannon,2.Libby was an accident, that was odvious,I dont think she dies.3.He also knows Locke can track HG if he lets him go.4.I dont think he found anything,thats why he lied, this is his way of finding the others and Walt. Syaid and Charlie went to the smoke and didnt find them,the french chick has been on the island for years looking for her own kid and has never found them, the tail guys went all the way across the island and didnt run into them, and you guys think dorkey Michael all by himself found them? They wont be found unless they want to be or someone leads them to where they are. If I remember the map Locke sees on the door, all the hatches connect together from a center command hatch. They were sealed off after the accident, I think Locke might remember this point and reopen the tunnels, they do have more dynamite from the black rock. I think Jacks half sister is Claire, all he says is "I want to see my daughter" who knows how old she is, he could have had an affair years ago. Didnt Claire go see that physic with a friend the first time? Did that lady at the door look like her? We all know that we will be proven wrong, but it sure is fun trying to guess.

#206. Posted by: lvco2000 at May 5, 2006 10:21 PM

Just got back from Mission Impossible III...like one big long expensive Alias episode! Anyway, I stuck around for the end credits while the kids headed to the restroom, just in case there was something from ol'Mr. Abrams. The only thing I saw was at the very end of the credits where they list all of the various people to thank for their help during the production, the last entity listed was The Hanso Foundation. I have no idea if this was the little shout-out to Lost everyone was speaking about, but just thought I would throw it out there.

#207. Posted by: rws at May 5, 2006 10:37 PM

Mac, thanks for the recap.

Most posters think Michel did what he did for one of the 3 reasons (1)he has been brainwashed (2) not brainwashed, but he did it to FREE HG in return for his son's release (3) he wanted to start a war with the Others

I would be very disappointed with Lost if any of these was true.

First, Michel, albeit acts impulsively at times, is not stupid or evil in nature. He could have used the gun to threaten AL or anyone to open the hatch and let HG go. No need to kill anyone. They would understand. Also, isn't a swop exactly what the self-appointed Losties leader Jack has in mind? If by simply "releasing" HG, Michel would get Walt back, he could have achieved this by a much more civilised manner.

Could he have been brainwashed? I don't think so for if brain washing technology or equipment is available to the Others, they could have simply captured anyone and have him/her "fixed". Also, remember someone from the Others did HELP Claire. This would simply make the plot "cheap" and predictable.

As to Michel's intention of starting a war because he failed to find anything about the Others during his absence, this would again be a huge anti-climax to the faithful Lost fans as we expect some adventure for Michel. What a boring island it will be if you could get lost in the jungle for so long and add nothing to the plots of the story.

I just hope the explanation provided in the next or future episodes would be much more convoluted that these speculations.

#208. Posted by: Endolin at May 5, 2006 11:52 PM

I agree.
Michael is trying to make it look like Henry shot them. Maybe the Others want revenge on Ana, and got Mike to kill her and bring proof in exchange for Walt.

#209. Posted by: 4815162342 at May 5, 2006 11:54 PM

Thanks again, Mac. Your fine writing diminishes some of the pain from losing Ana. I was a fan, which is partly why this episode baffled me. Ana was always a more violent, asexual character, especially compared to Kate. Why sex with Sawyer when police training should have more than prepared her to get someone's weapon another way? And I agree that Kate should have noticed the irregularity in Michael's story. My guess is she'll wait to ask Jack about it sometime when they can be alone -- which will be much too late to save people's lives. Very interested to see what HE has in mind for Locke. My main question, though: Where's Sayid?

#210. Posted by: Kim at May 6, 2006 2:31 AM

If Libby is dead, then she died in an accident just like Shannon did -- because she was about to do a date based on what Sayid and Shannon did together. On the other side, Michael immediately committed the same mistake as the woman [AL] he just killed.

#211. Posted by: Kim at May 6, 2006 2:40 AM

obviously, abrams said that so he will add the army of lost fans for the gross takings- he just a fraud

#212. Posted by: rosier at May 6, 2006 3:30 AM

Amanda,

Bernard being in a seat when th eplane crshed is no mystery. He was in the bathroom at the back of the plan, then the turbulence hit and the poor guy just dropped into the first empty seat to ride it out thinking that once they passed the turbulence he would make his way back to his original seat. There is no mystery there. I apologize to everyone if this had already been pointed out. It might not be a bad idea to buy or rent the season 1 DVD's. On disc 7 there are all the special features, one of the features is an interview with the creators and writers fo LOST. They clearly state that they had the entire series mapped out for the next 5 years, nothing on that show is left to chance. All major plot points have been known and planned for since the beginning.

#213. Posted by: Mister Grimm at May 6, 2006 8:55 AM

I think that Kate did notice the irregularity in Michael's story, the look in her eyes when he mentioned how they dressed and lived was very "that's strange, we know they wear costumes. I told Jack about it out in th jungle". I think she will remind Jack about the whole costume thing.

#214. Posted by: Mister Grimm at May 6, 2006 9:02 AM

Or maybe the costumes have no significance at all here. Maybe they were just used to disguise the others from the losties. Why would they be in costumes back at their camp? Wouldn't they naturally just be shoeless and in comfortable clothes there? What are your ideas on the relevance of the costumes?

#215. Posted by: meg at May 6, 2006 12:27 PM

hey CA66, I can't find the link to the Youtube thingi but if you go to thetailsection.com you can find it there.

why would kate think there is an irregularity in michael's story. she knows that the others have costumes but she also knows that they wear these out in the open so it would be very likely that when michael saw them they were outside and hence in costumes since they probably don't want anyone to think that they have facilities etc. also those who bring up the idea of two groups of others because one group doesn't have shoes etc. then why did faux-HG tell AL that she killed 2 of their (others) people? wouldn't that imply that they are all one and the same group? just my thought.

saw MI-3 last night - nothing but one action scene after another although all very thrilling. i didn't wait for the credits to end so i missed the thank you to the Hanso foundation but one thing did remind me of Lost and since I don't wish to spoil the movie for any fans here i will just say that it is near the end.(hint- thump thump!!). another thing i noticed was the girls brother was played by none other than Liam(charlie's brother).

thats all for now chaps!

#216. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 6, 2006 12:43 PM

I agree that the whole MI-III thing is just a stupid ploy by the producers to try and get more people to go see their stupid movie, now that the whole world thinks Tom Cruise is a psycho and he doesn't have as much box-office appeal as he used to..
Don't fall into the trap, people!
On another note, does anyone know where I can view/download the trailers for next week's show? They never show them on CTV (in Canada) where I live and it's really frustrating...!

#217. Posted by: Sabrina at May 6, 2006 4:13 PM

Sabrina, check out www.thetailsection.com or youtube.com for previews for next week's show both canadian and american versions.

#218. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 6, 2006 4:45 PM

Does anyone remember that Michael couldnt shoot the side of a barn in season 1? ok, it was easy for him to knock off Ana Lucia cause he took his time and pointed it right at her and blew her away from 5 feet away. BUT when Libby startled him by yelling his name, he turned REALLY quickly and shot off 2 rounds so fast that i'm convinced that she got hit just once at most! AND i'm sure she's gonna be still breathing by the time the posse comes in from the beach. I also think that Michael is gonna knock off fake henry gale cause if you remember, HG himself said that he failed his mission and that "HIM" doesnt forgive. I think HG has served his purpose for the show and will no longer be around.

#219. Posted by: marls at May 6, 2006 5:02 PM

Marls - Earlier this season, right before Michael went off into the jungle, Locke gave Michael shooting lessons. Still I agree, I think Libby will stick around at least for a couple of more episodes - linger in pain like the marshal from S1.

#220. Posted by: Gigi at May 6, 2006 5:20 PM

OK, here’s some thoughts/theories from me. Feel free to pick them apart

Just a point to think of: The young girl Dr Dad (I’ll steal that one, Mac, hope you don’t mind) talks to in Sydney might not be the mother of his daughter, it might be her roommate, which would make Jack’s (half?) sister being one of the other losties more plausible (but that doesn’t explain her grief of the girl at meeting him I guess), but more interestingly it could actually be his daughter (which in no way invalidates her statement that he needs help;-)) But I guess that would rule out her being on the Island, so I guess it might be a bit dull. Yes you read right interesting, but dull :-P

I definitively don’t think Michael is brainwashed. I think he looked way too distressed for that. Obviously things aren’t going like he plans when Libby walks in. It looks like he’s about to shit himself under the whole scene (and who knows? :-P). Anyway, I think this is a classic case of Others pulling the strings of losties, by using their loved ones as leverage. Remember Rousseau and Claire’s baby, anyone?

People seem to agree that AL is a goner, and I guess I agree. It’s not like we got a lot more out of the stories of Boone and Sharon. But I’m inclined to think that Libby survives, if only for another episode. A scenario might be her being unconscious at the beginning of the episode, and someone setting of into the Other trap. Only to have her wake up, and tell people what really happened, resulting in the episode going back and forth between the losties at the camp realizing what’s about to happen, and the other losties walking into a trap. Feel free to come back and proclaim me a genius if I’m right;-P

But, to get back to the point of Libby. I think it’s a very real possibility of Hurley remembering/her telling him her story in the next episode. And then dying, of course. We don’t want things to get cheery. Preferably leaving some nagging unanswered questions;-)

I guess that’s enough rambling for now

#221. Posted by: Gulbrand at May 6, 2006 8:20 PM

I'd love to see a crime scene recreation by the way.

I think Michael needs some training from AL to get away with crime (Guess it's too late now;-)). Henry would have to be doing a seriously strange escape to shoot people at the angles and directions Michael did.

Anyone up for the challenge? :-))

#222. Posted by: Gulbrand at May 6, 2006 8:26 PM

michael could be sick. remeber,the french chick killed her team because they were infected. maybe the Others took her baby so she wouldn't get infected. they injected claires baby with stuff' and remember, back at the very start of season two, desmond injects himself with stuff that looks the Others injected into Claire.

#223. Posted by: homie G at May 6, 2006 9:55 PM

Does anyone remember the episode where Locke got stuck in the falling door and fake HG helped him? And when the time ran out for the computer the map appeared on the wall where Locke was stuck? Well, i rewatched this episode the other day and it seemed to me that it was a map of differant hatches. So far we have found 3 hatches; the main hatch, the taillies hatch and the hatch where they kidnapped Claire. In the middle of the map there was a giant hatch with big question marks in it. Wonder what is there...

#224. Posted by: Losty McLostlost at May 6, 2006 10:16 PM

correction: i may be wrong about the question marks, i can't remember

anyway, my thoughts on this week:
Libby definatly isn't dead. Michelle Rodriguez (Ana Lucia) said in hinted in an interview that "maybe libby was still alive." The idea of her being a compulsive liar is interesting, but i think there would have been more examples of her lying so far. unless she is recovered. I think the reason she was there will be key. I was very sad to lose AL, she was my favorite character (except kate.)

Also, I can't think of any reason Michael would need to kill Ana Lucia unless that was part of the others' revenge. I feel as though he could have Cptured fake HG without killing her because he had the gun. Which leaves me to think the other's asked him to kill her.

so if they want revenge on her because she killed others, then they would want to kill Mr. Eko to. And we see him falling of a cliff in the next episode!

I have also been wondering about the fact that the island is so huge lately. How could an ilsand so big not be discovered except by creepy savages. Maybe the island is in Fiji? There are a ton of islandds there that no one has ever set foot in.
-LL

#225. Posted by: Losty McLostlost at May 6, 2006 10:29 PM

katePlusSun=Fun

To address the possibility of two different groups of others -- when HG said to Ana "you" killed two of us, he may not have meant her in particular. He may have meant the entire group of survivors from the flight. And then the "two" HG would be referring to would not be Goodwin and the woman Ana killed, but would be Goodwin and Ethan, two "Others" from one group. I do concede, that if there are in fact two groups, they are somehow connected, and thus technically one group, since it is obvious that Goodwin was well aware of the fact that the tailies were invaded by the "others," and the "others" we saw kidnap the tailies were the more "savage-looking" others, not the neatly-dressed/costumed others. My point is that we have seen these two distinctive types of "others." We have seen the neatly dressed group in "neat, but dirty" clothes on two occassions -- Goodwin and Ethan. Otherwise, we have only seen them in costume (when they kidnapped Walt, and during the confrontation at "the line not to be crossed"), or in medical uniforms (in the medical hatch -- by the way, didn't Desmond run out of the Swan hatch wearing a similar uniform, with the Dharma logo on it? At first I just assumed that he got it out of the hatch, but now I am starting to think it was his all along...). Any time we have seen this group, they have either been trying to infiltrate the survivors, or have been confronting them.

The other group, the "savage" group as I have called them, have only been seen, well, from the knees down really, dressed in what appears to be tattered clothing, no shoes, and walking without making a sound. I feel it a distinctively different group, somehow under the control of the first. As I described in a previous post, a group of "experimentees" being contolled/raised/manipulated/developed/what have you -- by a group of "experimenters."

Some people have suggested that the "others" are all descendants of the original crew of the Black Rock, or of Magnus Hanso. I'm not sure what to think of this. Maybe Magnus Hanso wasn't on the Black Rock. Maybe he was just buried there so there would be a large enough marker as to where his "final resting place" was. We don't even know who he was, other than he is obviously related in some way to Alvar Hanso, who I believe to be the HIM Henry refers to. Remember, "Zeke" also referred to someone as "HIM."

#226. Posted by: stocky at May 6, 2006 10:45 PM

Losty McLostlost --

I think Henry Gale answered your question already -- didn't he say that not even God could see this Island.

Speaking of Henry Gale, I was looking back at the map from the door in "Lockdown" -- at the Swan site, there is a notation -- "Home Of HG Delegation, Inspection 12.07.81" -- could HG be Henry Gale? Didn't the fake HG say he was in mining, or something like that? Maybe the real HG had something to do with the Island after all, and didn't come to be there by accident. But he did write that love letter on the money Sayid found...

So much to figure out with this show...I love it!!

#227. Posted by: stocky at May 6, 2006 10:55 PM

Great review, Mac. As always....

Was anyone else reminded (and if so and you've posted above, I'm sorry I missed it. I don't get to read all of the comments and feedback) of Sayid helping the love of his life escape from the torture camp? How he shot the guard and them himself. Why?

To help her escape.

Bye bye from the hatch Henry Gale. We'll see what happens.

#228. Posted by: illusivemuse at May 7, 2006 12:02 AM

Yes, I agree that the most significant part of Michael's actions was him shooting himself AFTER opening FHG's door. He is doing this to make the Lostaways think FHG did it. There's no other reason he would have shot himself other than to frame Faux Henry Gale.

Now then, the question that remains is the fate of FHG.
- Does Michael kill him? (Doubt it, or he would have done it before he shot himself.)
- Does Michael hold FHG at bay until the Lostaways show up so he can blame him? (I don't think so.)
- Does Michael let/make FHG leave the hatch and then still blame him for the shootings? (YES me thinks!)

And if my 3rd choice holds true, then it was either something the Others forced Michael to do in order to get Walt back, or it is Michael's own plan to have FHG followed to try and get Walt back. I tend to believe Michael did it under some sort of duress from the Others, with them telling him to do it or he'll never see Walt again. AL had to be shot to help with the FHG framing, but I believe it was just bad timing for the Libster. Michael would've inadvertantly shot anyone who happened to show up right then. Hopefully next week will solve the mystery.

#229. Posted by: JoePike at May 7, 2006 12:35 AM

I don't think Michael's actions are the result of the Other's trying to get revenge on AL for her killings of 2 of the Others. They may not like her because she's not 'one of the good ones', but AL getting shot was part of a plot to frame and/or free Faux HG, and not just for some revenge the Others might want. As sneaky as they are in the jungle, they've had plenty of opportunity to take out AL if they had wanted to.

#230. Posted by: JoePike at May 7, 2006 12:46 AM

Didnt read all the comments but..When AL and Jacks dad are in the car he opens the door and hits the guy wich is sawyer and i think thats the same bar where jack father and sawer talked

#231. Posted by: Evan at May 7, 2006 12:57 AM

LIke so the lost experience started i no about that commercial but have i missed like a bunch of cluees i dont even no like if it even started. SOMONE A LITTLE HELP? MAC?

#232. Posted by: Treebeard at May 7, 2006 1:06 AM

LIke so the lost experience started i no about that commercial but have i missed like a bunch of cluees i dont even no like if it even started. SOMONE A LITTLE HELP? MAC?

#233. Posted by: Treebeard at May 7, 2006 1:07 AM

LIke so the lost experience started i no about that commercial but have i missed like a bunch of cluees i dont even no like if it even started. SOMONE A LITTLE HELP? MAC?

#234. Posted by: Treebeard at May 7, 2006 1:07 AM

Treebeard: Try the Interactive game area Mac set up on the previous page. It has great postings and lots of info about what people are finding out while searching for clues! It's right above the "Two For The Road" story.

#235. Posted by: karen at May 7, 2006 10:01 AM

Treebeard: Try the Interactive game area Mac set up on the previous page. It has great postings and lots of info about what people are finding out while searching for clues! It's right above the "Two For The Road" story.

#236. Posted by: karen at May 7, 2006 10:02 AM

Sorry, I accidenttally double clicked on post! OOPPS.

#237. Posted by: karen at May 7, 2006 10:04 AM

Stocky:
I remember fake HG very clearly telling AL that SHE killed two of them, two good people and that SHE was the murderer on the island(very important!!!). I don't think he meant all the losties because the context of the conversation was who was the murderer in the room...remember AL telling him about her experience with murderers being talkative but HG was different?

#238. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 7, 2006 1:49 PM

WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD


Important information i think you should all know as you know season one the last two episodes where split inot parts Exodus part1 and 2. Now they are doing the same for season two put the episdoe is called Live Together, Die Alone now on the first season 2 episode kate says those words when she was talking about Lokce going down the hatch...anyway these two episodes are going to give very important infomration such as

Live Together, Die Alone Part 1
Desmond returns and we delve into his own mysterious past. We learn how he came to be on the island and live inside the Hatch, and of a connection he has to another of the survivors. looking forward to that :d put unfortunatly for part 2 it didnt give out an information i think i remeber reading something saying it was going end with jack sawyer and micheal trying to get walt back so anyway season two is going end the worst place ever.

[edited: spoiler warning]

#239. Posted by: Alex at May 7, 2006 4:42 PM

Theres a few things that i recently discovered about lost. The first is about "the numbers". A lot of people say that they dont mean anything. For those who do, YOUR WRONG! Hurly used the numbers for the lottery and won, right? Things were going great for him, but then, he starts being plauged by all these misfortunes. Lost is all about bad stuff happening, and I'm sure you've all noticed that whenever someone see's the numbers, something bad happens. ie. that science teacher getting blown up when they blew up the hatch. 8 and 15 are 2 of the numbers. Whats the name of the flight the passengers were on??? Oh yeah, 815. Hmmmmm. In "two for the road", the numbers on the cop cars near AL were 15, 16, and 23. Still think the numbers have no significance?
Secondly, Michael wasnt brainwashed. If he was, he wouldnt've said "Sorry" before shooting AL, and he wouldnt've looked surprised when he shot Libby. If he was brainwashed by the others, why didnt he go back with a gun? He couldn't have known AL had one. It was spur of the moment. Remember, he's said a few times, "I'll do whatever i have to to get my boy back"
Thirdly: Jacks dad isnt dead. In the first season, jack found his coffin, right, and he kept seeing his dad in the jungle.
Oh, and Gale is deffinitly messing with Locke's mind. Think about it. Why would he be sent to "come for him" if Locke was one of the "good ones"? Or.... maybe the others have a society of "good people"... that would explain why they took the children and walt.....
Lastly, a few people have talked about Libby working for the others, and someone asked how the others knew so much about the Losties. If libby was working with the others, she could be telling em about the losties.

#240. Posted by: nickm1234 at May 7, 2006 8:38 PM

another thing about the numbers: in the first episode, jack and i think bernard are sitting in row 23, which is one of the numbers

#241. Posted by: nickm1234 at May 7, 2006 8:58 PM

They showed jacks dad DEAD in one episode cause jack had to identify him

#242. Posted by: evan at May 7, 2006 11:08 PM

I think Michael's actions were all a dream... Remember when Hurly and Jin were speaking english, the whole episode turned out to be a dream. I think Michael is dreaming of himself doing this, or something...I don't think Anna or Libby are dead. I don't know yet, any advice to my response

#243. Posted by: Jv8 at May 8, 2006 9:02 AM

JV....AL is definitely dead. Michelle Rodriguez has appeared on interviews since Wednesday stating that her role/character were always intended to be short-term. The suggests that the scene was not a dream sequence. However, it is interesting to note that Cynthia Watros has not been on any talk shows lately. Leads me to believe her character is not completely gone.

#244. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 8, 2006 9:36 AM

Does anybody have any ideas on why Michael (by the way his name is spelled M-i-c-h-a-e-l, I WOULD kow that seeing as though it is my middle name) did what he did. I know that he thought AL was on of the others and he supposedly shot Libby on accident, but why did he walk into the room w/ FHG and shot himself, leaving the door open for FHG to escape, Why did he do that! was he trying to set up an escape for FHG was he trying make it seem like the 3 were shot and still be able to get FHG out with no supicion of Michael being the one who shot them. Does anybody wonder if Walt and Michael are indeed one of them, and they just don't know it yet. I think Michael is making mistakes that leads him to be an Other, and does not know it yet

#245. Posted by: Jv8 at May 8, 2006 10:39 AM

Any chance that Dr. Daddy told the girl in Australia that, "She's my (grand)daughter!" instead of daughter? Maybe Sarah (Jack's ex) was preggers when they split up? I mean it was raining pretty hard...did we mis-hear what he said? I didn't record so I can't go back to check.

#246. Posted by: J-Rod at May 8, 2006 10:43 AM

I also want to emphasize the fact that Jack's dad really is dead. Jack identified the body in Australia, and the producers have stated that when someone is dead, they really are dead and they stay dead. Jack only saw a hallucination/vision of his dad on the island, like Hurley did with his made up Looney-Bin buddy. Yes, Jack did find an empty coffin, but it was never made clear that Jack actually did get to take his dad's body on the flight. Or the body could've been thrown from the coffin during the plane crash. Anyway, I think we'll only ever see Dr. Dad again in flashbacks.

I don't think the Libster is an Other. I think she may have had an alterior motive with Hurley and doesn't want him to know she was in the Looney Bin with him, but she's not an Other. Her sole purpose now will be to nark on Michael once she briefly regains consciousness, and then tell Hurley she's wishes there was still time for what could have been between them. Then she'll croak. (And I see an Emmy coming for Jorge Garcia stemming from Hurley's sorrow and grief over the Libsters impending demise. We'll see the depth of his acting ability when he'll be forced to show emotion and say more than 'Dude'!)

#247. Posted by: JoePike at May 8, 2006 10:56 AM

Jacks father got into a fight with his (Jack's father) wife, she looked alot like kate. Do you think their going to be distant relatives.

#248. Posted by: Jv8 at May 8, 2006 12:54 PM

Sorry if someone has already said this but here goes:

I don't think Michael was sent to free HG at all. In my opinion, HG got caught on purpose. For what reason, I don't know, but he seems too smart to get caught by a simple trap. I think Michael was sent back to force HG to come back to the others because they need their leader or the leader wants him to come back because he is working without his consent. Just some thoughts on the whole thing. Shoot it full of holes, please.

#249. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at May 8, 2006 1:58 PM

Regarding the dead people staying dead comment, am I wrong or was there a scene in season one where one of the lost people saw another lostie dead then got back to camp and they were fine? I want to say it was Boone seeing Shannon dead but I'm not sure.

#250. Posted by: El at May 8, 2006 2:40 PM

Yeah, Boone did see Shannon dead after the 'Monster' tore her to shreds, but I believe that was because Locke gave him some island stuff (can't remember exactly) to make him have the dream or hallucinate what he saw. So what he saw hadn't really happened, whereas Jack saw Dr. Dad dead in the morgue in real non-island life in Australia.

I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Dad show up more however- he's an interesting character and the actor who plays him is phenomenal.

#251. Posted by: JoePike at May 8, 2006 3:03 PM

A couple of observations:
-Locke is pushing a plane up a hill! He can walk! Definetly didn't take 4 weeks.

-Hurley doesn't look too upset in the previews- if libby was dead, I'm sure he would be pretty upset (think syaid when shannon(?) died!)


-Mike better have a GREAT explanation set up to describe the following:
How HG got out!
How would HG have gotten the gun?
How would HG have shot AL on the couch (without her moving or reacting.)
How would HG have shot Mike at close range (which Jack will find out when he looks at his wound.)

Also, I can't figure out how to "space" these sentances out correctly, sorry if it is hard to read!

#252. Posted by: MattR at May 8, 2006 3:38 PM

Didn't the character that plays Michael move out of Hawaii in real life? As if to say Michael wouldn't be back? Then all of a sudden Michael comes back on the show in a big way! Just a thought...

#253. Posted by: MattR at May 8, 2006 3:46 PM

The actor playing Mike probably only left for the duration of his show 'hiatus', since he knew he wouldn't be filming for a while. He's probably living there again until filming for this season ends.

The preview still shows the brace/stint or whatever on Locke's leg, so I'm sure he's pushing the plane in pain and Jack would be pissed if he saw him doing it (as his patient).

Looking forward to seeing Eko as a prominent part of the next episode. And he's showing some serious emotion. (Falling from a high place tends to do that to you.)

#254. Posted by: JoePike at May 8, 2006 4:13 PM

HG was caught as a mere distraction.

Look at one of the events prior to the capture of HG? Jack 'forming' an army.

#255. Posted by: schiano at May 9, 2006 12:53 AM

hey guys
on spoiler fix.com is says that libby is not dead, yet

#256. Posted by: elliott at May 9, 2006 5:17 AM

how about this... libby is an other and she is the one writing the diary referring to faux henry gale as her 'brother'.

#257. Posted by: babydoll at May 9, 2006 8:38 AM

Last Night ABC showed a preview having Michael locked in the "holding cell" where HG was and HG was not there. Michael had that stare that the others usually show. Everyone must think he did something crazy.

#258. Posted by: Lou at May 9, 2006 10:29 AM

Someone said it's Libby WIDMORE?

Is that 100% confirmed?
-- Posted by: The Duf


No. On IMDB, her character's name is listed as "Libby" only. I wish people wouldn't post obvious lies. It's so lame.

#259. Posted by: unfake1 at May 9, 2006 2:16 PM

If you don't mind i will be going back a couple of episodes from season 2. Now episode 4 Everybody hates Hugo this episode starts with Hurly in the hatch where al lthe food is kept then he starts eating all the food when he is drinking the milk on the carton there is a picture od Walt and at the top is says MISSING now i think tah twas just to play with our minds or something not sure yet.

Point 2 still on episode 4 when the people at the back of the plane take sawyer jin and micheal to the hatch that they found on the wall is another Dharma symbol which looked like a arrow now the one in the hatch that Locke and co found had a picture of a swan if you look at this website http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html is has pictures of the map that Locke saw on the blast door it shows that there are 7 hatchs on the island but one of the hatchs has green marker all over it maybe becuase it was abandoned or something.

So far 3 hatchs have been found 1 the Swan where desmond was, 2 the staff where claire was taken when she was pregnant and finally 3 the arrow where the people at the back of the plane found. Also the other hatch which micheal said was guarded by the others. If you look at the map in the middle there is a question mark now i think that it the hatch that the others are guarding its gotta be. BUT lets not forget the other hatchs such as 2# the pearl 4# the flame and the hatch C3?

Oh the question that most of you have been wondering is who drew that map i think taht it was Desmond's partner becuase the picture of the swan has next to it I AM HERE now either Desmond drew it or his partner.

#260. Posted by: Alex at May 10, 2006 4:25 AM

On the Hanso Foundation website there is mentioned the pursuit of Eugenics - selective breeding in the hopes of creating superior humans. I think this is what is being described by 'good' vs 'bad' losties: those with the genetic qualities desired by the foundation/Dharma/Others that qualify for their Eugenics experiment.

#261. Posted by: scar at May 10, 2006 10:06 AM

Also, I read in JJ Abrams press release that there is a reference to Lost in Mission Impossible III - did anyone catch it?

#262. Posted by: scar at May 10, 2006 10:07 AM

Check out USA Today, Wed., May 10th...the front_page/cover-story is Lost in 'Lost'. Very interesting (we love all articles on Lost) and it just might help some of the viewers re-align their theories.

#263. Posted by: JT at May 10, 2006 12:22 PM

JT...big recent postings on the so called MI3 Lost reference. I believe it's just a Hanso Foundation thank you in the closing credits. Not really even worth mentioning as a draw to the movie for us Lost fans...

#264. Posted by: JoePike at May 10, 2006 12:43 PM

Sorry, that was meant for Scar, not JT.

Okay, a slightly different theory:
FHG said that the Others would NEVER give up Walt. I think that the Others found Michael while he was gallavanting around the jungle and took him to Walt. They told him they would never let Walt go, and would kill Michael unless he went back and got rid of AL and let FHG escape. Then they would take Michael back and elevate him to 'one of the good ones' status and let him live with them to be around Walt. So Michael did what he had to do and will eventually try to get back to the Others to be with his boy. At this point, he really doesn't care what happens to anyone else.

Yes, I'm desparate for tonight's episode!

#265. Posted by: JoePike at May 10, 2006 2:25 PM

Hmmm. Am I desparate or desperate?

#266. Posted by: JoePike at May 10, 2006 2:28 PM

Hanso Commercial:

Did anyone see the ABC Bird Flu movie last night? I was flipping back and forth on various channels (because I couldn't find anything good). The movie was REALLY bad "TV" movie and most of the time I was only there a few minutes thinking the plot would kick in (never did). At one point I had it on the channel, but wasn't really paying attention, and then it happened:

There was a Hanso commercial!!

At the end it didn't give a phone # but said to go to subliminal.com or org or surreal.com or org for more information, but when I looked at the screen, I just got a brief glance at it. It was spelled funny, like with a "Sy" instead of "Su" but it came and went so quickly, I didn't catch it. I've been trying to find it today, but I can't locate it. I could kick myself for not paying more attention, but I wasn't expecting it during a movie on Bird Flu!!!

(After the Hanso Commercial, then there was a "real" commercial followed by a Lost commercial.)

#267. Posted by: Ruff at May 10, 2006 2:41 PM

FOUND IT!!

The new site for Hanso that was in the commercial during the ABC Bird Flu movie is sublymonal.com

Can't exactly figure out what it's purpose is: 6 TV screens in a circle that have "white noise" on them. In the middle of the screens is a single word: OBEY Every few seconds the TVs turn counter-clockwise and make a "click" sound like a combination lock. One of the TVs is hyperlinked. Nothing happens when you click on it, but if you keep repeatedly clicking on it then the screen changes to white and the outline of the screen turns a glowing lime green. At this point the next TV is hyperlinked and you can repeat the multi-clicking until it changes (repeat with all the TVs).

When you've finished turning them all green, it all swirls to a tiny turning circle and then one green screen comes up which flashes CODE then a squiggle then HER APPARENT. This just repeats over and over. Under the screen it says "Syblymonal message unlocked". When you click on the black space just below this statement, it takes you to the Hanso Foundation bio page.

#268. Posted by: Ruff at May 10, 2006 3:02 PM

Correction: It says "HEIR APPARENT" not "HER APPARENT"

#269. Posted by: Ruff at May 10, 2006 3:06 PM

Ruff at May 10, 2006

Try www.sublymonal.com

#270. Posted by: unfake1 at May 10, 2006 3:10 PM

D'oh! Too slow.

#271. Posted by: unfake1 at May 10, 2006 3:11 PM

There was a fake Hanso corp advertisement in the Philadelphia Inquier!

#272. Posted by: Drew at May 10, 2006 4:21 PM

I too cannot wait until tonight's episode. On the radio today I heard a trailer and on it, somebody definitely says "they shot 3 of us" so at least at that point, they don't know of Michael's involvement. I think he probably locks himself in the armory to make it look like Henry shot the ladies, then Michael, then escaped. Therefore I don't think Henry takes Libby with him because how would the Losties know that she had been shot?

#273. Posted by: El at May 10, 2006 5:11 PM

Ruff -
Did you notice that the number of clicks required to activate all the screens equals 108 (4,8,15,16,23,42). The writers don't miss any opprtunity to play with our minds.

#274. Posted by: maxlife at May 10, 2006 5:52 PM

libby isnt dead- michael is scared wshe will tell. eko is back like a champ!

#275. Posted by: me at May 10, 2006 7:10 PM

OK, I clicked on Mittelwerk's bio after doing all that sublymonal clicking and going to the hanso site. There's a space in Mittelwerk's bio where I assume I'm supposed to enter "Heir apparent", but then I can't figure out what to do next. It's not letting me click on anything.

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#277. Posted by: bgyd kvcuzt at March 5, 2007 6:04 PM

I'm just catching up here - way after the fact. I watched Seasons 1 and 2 on DVD and am watching Season 3 online - no, haven't been stranded on a desert island, but just recently got turned onto "Lost". Thanks Mac, for your excellent blog - sometimes I enjoy it more than the episode itself!
Just wanted to acknowlege Sawyer's nod to Dustin Hoffman in "Midnight Cowboy" when Dr. Daddy bangs him with the car door, "I'm WALKIN' here!" Gave me a chuckle.

#278. Posted by: Cate at August 21, 2007 9:55 AM

2-20 - Two for the Road

A budding romance
A father, a strong woman
All needlessly lost.

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