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Key Points from "Live Together, Die Alone" (Part 2)

Season 2, Episode 23 Episode Air Date: 05/24/06 Note: This is Part 2 of the "Live Together, Die Alone" review. Click here for Part 1 of the review
Point 3
	Way back at the beginning of this review -- around 2,000 words ago -- I mentioned that one of the major carry-over plotlines from last episode was Sayid's development of a counterattack plan. Yeah, remember that? The appearance of Desmond -- and his boat -- allows Sayid to set his plan in motion. Sayid tells Jack he will use the boat to zip around the other side of the island to secretly scout out the Others. When he's gathered the necessary intelligence, he'll signal Jack and his party, and they'll join up for an organized sneak attack. To add to the theatrics, Sayid plans on signaling Jack with a thick plume of black smoke. "This time," Sayid says, "they will know that we are coming." Yes, Sayid. Very nice. Thank you. So that's the plan, and the first half of the episode is dedicated to the organization and early execution of this plan. The second half -- well, that's when things really kick into gear. Oh my, do they kick into gear. Basically, we've got two teams: Team 1 is comprised of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Michael. Team 2 is made up of Sayid, Jin and Sun. Team 2 might seem kind of odd -- after all, Sun has never displayed a predilection for action, but she and Jin are both adept at sailing and, more importantly, she won't take "no" for an answer (go Sun!). With our rosters set and the battle ready to be waged, we'll begin with the Trials and Tribulations of Team 1 ... Team 1 heads out on foot, following Michael's directions toward the Others beach camp. At this point, Jack is the only member of Team 1 who knows Michael is under Other control. As Team 1 plunges through the jungle, they discuss/encounter the following: Sawyer finally learns what "getting stuck in a net" actually means. Kate informs him that yes, she and Jack got caught in a net and yes, they actually did get caught in a net. Sawyer rolls his eyes at his own dirty mind. At one point, Team 1 hears an odd noise and they all draw their weapons in shock/surprise/anticipation (note: Hurley doesn't have -- or want -- a gun). As they're looking around wildly, a giant bird swoops in and everyone ducks and scatters. Michael points his pistol and fires ... but nothing happens. He pulls the trigger over and over, but his clip is empty. There's three notable things about this "bird" experience: 1. The bird looked sort of invisible and/or camouflaged. I don't know if this was intentional or simply the result of bad effects (it looked like one of those ridiculous "monsters" you see in Sci-Fi Channel movies). 2. After the bird flies by, Hurley asks, "Did that bird just say my name?" If you rewatch the scene, you'll discover that the bird actually does say "Hurley" (it's a cawing version of his hame "Hurrrr-LE") and, if you really want to get geeky, turn on the closed captioning and you'll see that the description says "bird cawing 'hurley'." I'm not making this up. Incidentally, I've heard this isn't the first time an island bird has cawed Hurley's name, although I'm not sure when -- or if -- other similar situations arose. Anyone know for sure? 3. When Michael tries to shoot the bird (first Ana and Libby, now defenseless Hurley birds?) you can see the seeds of doubt and guilt creep into Michael's mind. Jack tosses off the empty clip as an oversight on his part, but Michael clearly senses that the jig might be up. The group manages to overcome the Hurley bird incident, but a new challenge soon presents itself. Kate spots two Others tracking them from the opposite side of a narrow river. Without missing a beat, she looks at Sawyer and says: "In about five seconds, I'm going to turn the tables on them. You in?" With that, she takes aim and unloads a barrage of bullets at the Other interlopers. Sawyer squeezes off a few rounds. The Others dart through the woods. The lead Other takes off, but the second lags and Sawyer gets a clear shot. BLAM! The Other goes down! But the first one got away! Kate moves to pursue, believing they need to take the Other out before he can warn his cohorts (after all, this is supposed to be a sneak attack). But Jack stops her in her tracks. Kate is confused. Sawyer is confused (but he feels really good about finally killing someone). Hurley is still thinking about that bird. Michael is worried. Very, very worried. Of all the great moments in this episode, this next bit is my favorite. Jack tells the group that it doesn't matter if they catch the Other. As you'd expect, this leads to a lot of crinkled brows and weird looks. Jack looks at Michael. "I've already been warned," he says. Michael, the bell tolls for thee! "What do you mean, 'warned'?" Sawyer snarls. "Why don't you tell them, Michael," Jack says as his optical death beam burns a hole in Michael's forehead. "I don't know what you're talkin' ..." "Stop LYING!" Jack screams. The group closes in around Michael. Jack shoves Michael against a tree. "I know what you're doing, Michael! Now tell them the truth!" "Jack ..." Michael pleads. "TELL THEM!" "It ...," Michael stammers. "It was the only way." Kate, Sawyer and Hurley are stunned. "They gave me a list," Michael continues. "It had your names on it. I had to bring all four of you back or they said I'd never see my son again!" Jack grabs the gun from Michael's belt. Vengeance flares in Kate's face. "You let Henry go?" she asks. Michael nods. From the side, Hurley snaps the pieces into place. "Did you kill them?" Hurley asks softly. Michael pauses. You know he doesn't want to admit this one. "Did you?" Hurley asks again. Michael gulps. "I had to ... I couldn't find any other way ... and Libby was a mistake ... I didn't have time to think!" "But if you did have time," Hurley says, "you still would have killed her, right?" Michael is meat. "I'm sorry," he says. "Do you understand? I'm ... sorry." Saying it slow doesn't mean they're gonna buy it, Mikey. "I ... I ... This is my SON!" he says, not realizing he's talking to three people who don't have kids, thereby negating the "parent excuse." Hurley moves to go back, but now it's Jack who has some ''splainin' to do. He blocks Hurley's path and tells him that he and Sayid have cooked up a plan. Kate, Sawyer and Hurley are stunned (again). It's yet another example of the massive trust issues these people revisit week after week after week. Nonetheless, Jack didn't kill anyone (except for that marshal back at the beginning of season 1; but that was mercy, so, whatever), so the group opts to grudgingly continue with Jack's plan rather than douse Michael in Dharma Gas and use him as Bonfire Fodder (©). The group pushes on and they eventually walk into a previously undocumented clearing. The clearing is just like every other clearing on the island except for one important difference: there's a huge pile of discarded pneumatic tubes sitting in the middle of this random spot. Let's go over that again: there's a huge pile of discarded pneumatic tubes. The group moves closer and Kate rifles through the tubes. Next to her stands a vertical PVC pipe that curls over the pile -- it's the source of the tubes. Inside the tubes, Kate finds notebooks with pages of handwritten observations. Sawyer pokes through the pile (sorry, cowboy, no asthma inhalers or little liquor bottles in this stash!) and stumbles upon a single piece of paper that's not housed within a tube. He unfolds it and discovers ... Locke's map! This is where all those Pearl hatch notebooks go. They go nowhere! Sawyer turns and scans the horizon. He sees a dark plume of smoke drifting skyward. Jack sees it, but the plume is miles from their current location. Jack's anger wells. If they're miles off course, that means Michael is leading them ... Into a trap! He never intended to bring them to the beach. He's got them in an Other crossfire! Suddenly, whispers echo from the treeline (we haven't heard those things in a while!). Jack, Kate and Sawyer point their guns at anything and everything. SWOOSH! A dart digs into Sawyer's neck and he drops like an Ana-Lucia shooting victim. He convulses! "Run!" Jack shouts. Kate hauls ass. Jack hauls ass. Hurley covers his ears and tries to hide from the whispers (what's going on with that -- do the whispers play with Hurley's mind?). Michael stays put and tries to get Jack and Kate to stick around, but seeing as he's now a confessed murderer, his opinion doesn't hold much weight. Jack and Kate run down a hill, but ... SWOOSH! A dart nails Kate in the shoulder. She falls. Jack turns and fires at the treeline then lifts Kate and keeps running. SWOOSH! Jack takes a dart in the leg. He staggers and falls. The Others close in quickly with burlap sacks. The screen goes dark! And now we turn our attention to Team 2 (don't worry, we'll come back to Team 1): Sayid, Sun and Jin head out on the sailboat and as they make their way along the coastline, they sail past ... I'm not even sure how to describe this ... they sail past a giant stone foot. Yeah. A giant stone foot. The foot appears to have once been part of an enormous statue (it looks like a set-piece from "King Kong"). Sayid wisely observes that there are two disconcerting elements to this foot: 1. The rest of the statue is gone. 2. The foot only has four toes. What ... the hell ... is that thing? Was this island once home to an indigenous tribe of giant stonemasons? Did the statue depict Homer Simpson? As the sea voyage continues, the trio spots the beachside relic and the Other camp Michael described when he first returned (the relic looks like a missing Stonehenge piece, or a "Spinal Tap" stage prop). Jin and Sun bring the boat ashore and Sayid turns into Action Jackson. He grabs his rifle and sneaks into the Other beach camp. But he doesn't need to sneak. Nobody is there. Sayid goes from tent to tent, opening doors and pointing his gun into any nook and cranny he can find. The camp is abandoned. As he looks around, he spots the metal doors to the mysterious Other Beach Hatch (in last week's episode, this door was guarded by two armed sentries). Sayid grabs the door handle and pulls. The door opens! He peeks in and points his gun! And then nothing happens. Sayid takes a step back. He looks left and right. He looks up and down. The camera zooms out and we see Sayid, standing in front of a rock formation. The doors are fake! And now for the big one ... At the very end of the episode, the Others march Team 1 to the shoreline. Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley are all bound and blindfolded. Michael is allowed to roam free. The Others walk Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley out onto a large wooden dock (I'm assuming this is the ferry dock). They're forced onto their knees and their burlap blindfolds are removed. Their gags and ties stay on. The Bearded Other walks up and Kate starts to sputter. Her exact words aren't audible (she's gagged), but it's clear she's calling bullshit on the Other's fake beard. The Bearded Other appreciates Kate's comment: apparently, the beard itches and he prefers to do without it. He rips the beard off and reveals his unshaven face (the same face we saw in "Maternity Leave"). At this point -- perhaps by mistake, perhaps not -- Ms. Klugh appears and refers to the Bearded Other as "Tom." The Bearded Other -- sorry, "Tom" -- isn't happy that his real name is suddenly known to all. "And thanks for telling them my name, Bea," Tom says with maturity. So, the Bearded Other is Tom and Ms. Klugh is Bea. Got it? Good. All of this jabber is interesting, but it's merely a prelude for The Big Arrival. An engine sputters nearby and the small boat seen in last season's finale ("Exodus, Part 2") comes into sight. The boat slides up to the dock and a man hops off. Footsteps plod along the dock and the Others seem to take on a reverential air as this Special Guest Star walks through. The man stops in front of Jack. The camera moves up. "Hello again," says Faux Henry Gale. Heeeeeee's baaaa-aaaaack! Gale spins and asks Tom where his beard is, but Tom says the beard ruse is pretty much over. Gale exhales with annoyance. Gale turns to Michael. "All right, let's take care of business, shall we?" It's right around this point that the loud electromagnetic pulse/Death Star Event transpires. The sky turns white and purple, the noise becomes overwhelming, everyone on the dock crouches and holds their ears (except Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley -- they can't hold much of anything in their current state). Henry gazes toward the sky with a look of anger and confusion, but his look dissipates as the sound and fury subside. Moments later, the strange electromagnetic event is long forgotten. Gale and Michael resume their "business deal." Gale gives Michael the boat and tells him, very specifically, that he's to follow a compass bearing of 325. "If you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue," Gale says. Michael asks Gale what's to stop him from telling people about this place, but Gale counters in his typical mind-game fashion: He notes that any revelations Michael makes will unmask him as a killer. "Once you leave, you'll never be able to get back here," Gale says. "And my hunch is you won't say a word to anybody." Michael knows he's got nothing at this point, so he pulls out the old "oh yeah, what about my friends" line. "My friends ... I was promised they wouldn't hurt them," Michael says. "Deals a deal," Henry says. But then, for the first time in weeks, Michael actually does something reasonable. He asks the question that's on everyone's mind. "Who are you people?" Henry smirks. "We're the good guys, Michael." And with that, Michael jumps on the boat and Walt suddenly appears from under the steering area (they had to keep him crouched real low because he's now 22 years old and 6'3"). Michael and Walt have a reunion (yeah, yeah, we're all so happy for you Mikey) and Michael fires up the engine and drives off. As he does, Jack shoots daggers and death beams into Michael's head. Sadly, Michael maintains his corporeal form. It's a shame; spontaneous combustion followed by melting and screaming would have been a fitting end for Murderer Mike. As the boat putters off, Bea -- nee Ms. Klugh -- stands in front of Hurley and instructs the Other henchmen to release him. She tells Hurley that his job is to go back to camp and tell his group that none of them can ever come here. "What about my friends?" Hurley asks. Henry steps up. Wait for it ... waaaaaait for it ... "Your friends are coming home with us," Henry says. What? What?!! WHAT?!!! Hurley is torn, but Jack nods at him ("go on big man ... go get Sayid ... go round up the Delta Force and come back at the end of season three to kick ass!"). Hurley slowly walks away. The Others lift Jack, Kate and Sawyer. Jack stares at Kate intently. It looks like he nods -- it's as though they're signaling to each other -- but his movement is incredibly subtle. Kate looks back and blinks. Sawyer looks at both of them and wonders what the hell is going on. The Others drape a burlap bag over Jack's head ... then Sawyer's ... then Kate's ... The screen goes black. BUT IT'S NOT OVER!

Point 4
	The last five minutes of this episode pushed this finale into the pantheon of great cliffhangers. So here's what happens ... After the burlap sacs go over Jack, Kate and Sawyer, the scene cuts to an arctic drilling station. You read that correctly. For the first time, a present-day "Lost" scene -- not a flashback -- jumps away from the island. This is a HUGE development. The drilling station is staffed by two Portuguese men (Scientists? Miners? Grunts? I have no idea). The men appear to spend their days playing chess and trying to keep warm. But this day is different. During a spirited chess match, one of the men looks up from the board and sees a red blinking light on a nearby computer. His face drops. A message on the computer screen reads: Electromagnetic Anomaly Detected The man looks at his partner. "How long has it been doing that?" the first man asks (in Portuguese), pointing to the red light. The second man jumps from his seat and runs to a desk. He cracks open a folder and shuffles wildly through papers. The first man is upset. "That's it, isn't it?" the first man asks/yells. "We missed it again!" An alarm beeps and both men jump. The second man darts to a separate computer and scans through on-screen readouts. "So it's not a false alarm this time?" the first man asks. "Just shut up and call!" the second man shouts. The first man grabs a yellow telephone and dials. The scene cuts to a bedroom. A bedside table holds a phone, keys, perfume, and a picture of a man and a woman ... it's hard to make out who they are at first ... The phone on the table rings. A woman with an English accent answers. The scene cuts to the arctic station. "Ms. Widmore?" the first man says in accented English. "It's us." The shot cuts to the bedroom. Ms. Widmore turns on her bedside lamp. The light illuminates the picture -- it's Desmond and Penny! It's the same picture Desmond carries! The shot cuts to the arctic station. "I think we found it," the first man says. In the bedroom, the camera pans ... revealing the stunned face of Penny Widmore. AND THEN IT ENDS! OH MY GOD, THE SEASON ENDS!

Point 5
	I'm going to wrap up with a potpourri of questions and observations. First, the questions (in no particular order): What happened to Locke, Eko and Desmond? Are they dead? Are they alive? Are they in purgatory? (Heh heh ... couldn't resist.) What happened to the hatch? Is it completely destroyed? If the hatch is destroyed, what will the repercussions be? Will the hatch meltdown cause another plane crash? Or a boat crash? Or create a rift in the space-time continuum that allows super-intelligent apes to sneak through and claim supremacy over man? (Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself with that last one ...) What will Penny Widmore do? Will the story expand to include off-island events that are Widmore-centric? Will Michael and Walt make it to safety? What will happen to Jack, Kate and Sawyer? Is Henry Gale "Him"? And now, a few miscellaneous observations: You'll notice my first question makes no mention of Charlie. That's because Charlie survives the electromagnetic blast with nary a scratch. This works out quite well because it allows him to return to camp and then, later that night, Claire kisses him. Good for them ... for now (bwahahahaha!) This episode's Hanso ad featured the Web site www.HansoCareers.com. As always, you can find an ever-growing list of Interactive Game clues and theories on our game clues page. And finally a personal note to all you awesome people ... I want to thank everyone who contributed to this blog over the course of the second season. You guys rule so hard it hurts. Each week, I'm impressed/amazed/overwhelmed by the great conversations that have become a hallmark of this little "Lost" spot, and I look forward to many seasons -- and many conversations -- to come! And for the regulars: WGNBB and Namaste ;) That's it for now ... and for this season! Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture. Click here to read part 1 of this review

Next Episode:
"Man of Science, Man of Faith" (Repeat) -- The Losties crack the hatch and find ... a freaked out Scottish dude! Airs: Wednesday, May 31, 9 p.m., ABC.
Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac on May 25, 2006 1:39 PM | Email This

The ultimate understatement........"I was wrong".....Can't wait to find out how wrong he really was.

→ 1. Posted by: maxlife at May 25, 2006 1:46 PM

Mac, you are absolutely the best!!!

Thanks for spending so much of your time writing the summaries each week. We'll all miss you over the summer!!!

Are you going to have a Pre-Lost review before the new season???

Thanks again!!!

→ 2. Posted by: dknight at May 25, 2006 2:00 PM

Penny's father is "Him".

→ 3. Posted by: crispy seaplanes at May 25, 2006 2:18 PM

Mac, Thanks for another great season of reviews. But my all time favorite Mac-ism occurred in part 1 of this review: "The power of Eko compels you!" I love it!
I loved this episode but I think I need to watch it again before I make any comments this time, too much info to digest!
WGNABB!

→ 4. Posted by: Sarah at May 25, 2006 2:22 PM

You are the man Mac! Nice work yet again. I sure hope that you will resume your recaps next season.

Marty.

→ 5. Posted by: Marty at May 25, 2006 2:23 PM

Mac, you are the shiznito bam snip snap snap on breakfast toast, my friend!!!! I'm gonna miss this place.

→ 6. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at May 25, 2006 2:31 PM

Thanks for the time and talent you put on this project Mac. IÂ´ve been reading you for a while and since in Mexico we are about in the middle of the season, curiosity is just too much...

Now, IÂ´ll just print both parts and keep reading while at work.

Regards from your friend djjoeycool

→ 7. Posted by: djjoeycool at May 25, 2006 2:31 PM

When the Portugese man exclaims "We missed it again", I'm thinking he is referring to the inicident with the hatch 65 days ago. How Penny Widmore knew how to look for an electromagnetic signal is beyond me, but Widmore Construction supposedly built the hatches, so maybe Mr Widmore knows more about the Hanso Foundation and the Island?

wooo.(scary interlude)

→ 8. Posted by: Chris Jones at May 25, 2006 2:32 PM

A couple of Comments:

-Locke was crying like a baby when charlie found him and Charlie was LOVING it!
-Maybe Libby's dead husband was Dave from the mental hospital? Maybe Hurley killed him in that accident and that is why Hurley keeps seeing him! That could be why Libby seems to be "stalking" Hurley - Revenge!
-Where did they get the Dharma brew? How long till I can get a 40oz. of that stuff! Does Des know another storage hatch or did Kelvin stock the boat with booze?
-One of the reasons Des felt safe to follow Kelvin out of the hatch is because Des saw a hole in Kelvin's pant leg - must have figured if Kelvin was going out with a hole in his pants he would be ok.
-Two very funny lines missing:

When Eko asks Charlie if he knows "where's the dynamite." Charlie says he doesn't "know that one"!!! I think I missed quoted, but it was still funny.

Also, when the bird flies by and Hurley asked "Did that bird just say my name?" Sawyer responds "Yeah...and it just crapped gold!" Those were hillarious!

I can't wait until next season! I wonder if they will show any season 1 repeats this summer - I need to get them on DVD!

→ 9. Posted by: MattR at May 25, 2006 2:34 PM

By the way, I consider myself a regular, but I dont get it...WGNBB and Namaste?

Perhaps some light please!!!!

→ 10. Posted by: djjoeycool at May 25, 2006 2:34 PM

Crispy, you might be on to something, but something tells me "him" even answers to someone.

→ 11. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at May 25, 2006 2:35 PM

So, it came to a close. I sat there stunned for a moment and then, slowly, rose from my chair in a daze.

I walked from the TV room into my wife's office where she had been working and watching something mundane, like a two-year old repeat of "Law and Order:SVU". She turned and says, "So how was the last two hours?"

And all I could reply was..."I have no idea what just happened!?!"

And now, MAC, after reading your very detailed recap, I can say, with a certain magnanimous clarity, that...."I still don't know what just happened!?!"

O Man, it's going to be a very lonnnnnnnng summer before the Fall TV Season gets here!

At least, in a few weeks, that cute detective series, "The Closer" comes back for the summer. It's a brainless diversion. Just what I need.

Thanks for a great season of RECAPS!

→ 12. Posted by: David at May 25, 2006 2:40 PM

I just read that whole re-cap and didn't find out who won American Idol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding- Great Job Mac I've been reading since the begining of the season. Websites like this are what makes this show soooo much better!

→ 13. Posted by: Kimmy at May 25, 2006 2:41 PM

the most intriguing part for me was the secret signals between jack and kate, do they know something?!

anyone know when season 3 starts?

→ 14. Posted by: Adam at May 25, 2006 2:44 PM

Great summary Mac thank you.

I was very dissapointed in the show. I think mostly because I really sensed 'cameras' If you understand my meaning. I did not BELIEVE the episodes.

Also, I have genuine regrets with thye overall storyline and plot . I am not dismissing LOST however, I certainly am listing it as MISSING.

ITS STILL GREAT !! However, I will reserve comments in coffee shops as it appears that our heros are not only hostages to this island, but to the islands 'creators' as well.

EXODUS KICKED ASS.

→ 15. Posted by: Neil at May 25, 2006 2:46 PM

The Portuguese men are Jack and Desmond. Compare the screen captures of the two. The man with the glasses is Jack. The other man is Desmond.

→ 16. Posted by: EvilGator at May 25, 2006 2:48 PM

All I can say is WOW. I love it and hated it at the same time.

Do you think Jack, Kate and Mikey worked something out before they got caught?

I can't believe anything bad has come of Locke, Eko and Des. Now way, no how.

When I saw the picture of Des and Pen at the end I was like NO WAY! What the ?

Great job Mac.

→ 17. Posted by: Lisa at May 25, 2006 2:56 PM

Awesome job on all the reviews all year, Mac.
Thanks for all the entertainment.

Now we all need to go back and watch all the episodes from the beginning, then go back and read Mac's early reviews of them before next season starts.

→ 18. Posted by: Zeppo at May 25, 2006 3:03 PM

I may have read your recap wrong, but I thought you said that it was later in the day after Kelvin Died that Desmond heard banging on the hatch door...wouldn't it have to be several days later if the mini-event that Desmond created caused the plane crash)?

I love your key points they are the best part of Lost in my opinion.

→ 19. Posted by: Summer at May 25, 2006 3:08 PM

First time poster; Mac, stubbled on your blog and its what I look forward to after I watch LOST. You have done a great job this season and I look forward to reading more in September.

So does anyone think that Michael will come back and save Jack, Kate & Sawyer? or will he just sail on?

Have a great summer everyone

→ 20. Posted by: orighu at May 25, 2006 3:09 PM

Boy, they really know how to wreck a nice hatch.
Anybody know who Libby's husband "David" might be?
I was really stunned that Desmond would think the button wasn't real after having almost missed it another time with the ground shaking and metal flying everywhere....
Anyone notice that the map Locke sent up the tube was out of it's container?
Great recap Mac, you'll be missed many a Thursday this summer....thanks!

→ 21. Posted by: Joss at May 25, 2006 3:13 PM

Just a couple of notes:

- Kelvin mentioned that Radzinski spliced the tapes, but Kelvin didn't know why Radzinski did it.
- Desmond called Locke "Box-Man" referring to Locke's previous job at Hurley's box company.
- Did Kelvin really die???? We are led to believe that he is because his body went limp and there was a lot of blood from his head, but Desmond ran away so fast that we really don't know if Kelvin is dead (we didn't see his grave, either). Perhaps he crawled away after Desmond left????

Again, Mac, you are the best. I don't have any idea how I am going to spend my Thursday afternoon if I'm not reading your incredible recap. I guess I actually have to work now???

→ 22. Posted by: dknight at May 25, 2006 3:14 PM

Mac,

Great job all season. Love your recap of the final episode. I just don't know how I'll live throught the summer without new episodes and your witty recaps, i can already feel the withdrawal symptoms kicking in. I DVR'd the final episode and I'll be watching it and rewatching it at least a hundred times. I can't wait for next season to start and I've already pre-ordered season 2 on DVD.

I have a question about the hatch explosion - what kind of explosion would propel the hatch door 2 miles but not create a sound or smoke? Anyone have any thoughts?

See you in the fall mac ! ! ! !

→ 23. Posted by: Mister Grimm at May 25, 2006 3:14 PM

IcebergSlimm....was there a copy of 'Mama Black Widow' in the hatch? ;)

→ 24. Posted by: Joss at May 25, 2006 3:16 PM

They are in the Bermuda Triangle. The others, who are aliens, made the Triangle to be able to study humans. Possible looking for something in particular. Read this article and notice the similarities.

http://www.navis.gr/miscella/bermuda.htm

I know they were not in the path of this, but one of the theories of the Bermuda Triangle is that it moves around.

→ 25. Posted by: erdrik at May 25, 2006 3:16 PM

NO that is not jack and desmond....if you read the credits you'll see that two different actors play them and the voices do not even remotely come close to sounding like either of them accent or not. so don't waste space or time with comments that hold absolutely no bearing......oh wait, maybe desmond and jack took the time machine that brought them to the World War II era in purgatory located in the bermuda triangle.....if only they would've taken the videos that recorded them in the hatch for all that time they could've caught on to michael earlier and avoided all of this....

→ 26. Posted by: HEY EVILGATOR at May 25, 2006 3:17 PM

One thing. Based on your review, Desmond's killing his hatch buddy and his almost being too late to enter the numbers happened the same day as Locke's banging on the hatch door. Assuming the plane crash was caused by that event, there must have been some passage of time that wasn't clear from the editing.

→ 27. Posted by: JTZ at May 25, 2006 3:18 PM

Joss-
If I remember correctly Locke didn't put his map in a container. He merely put it in the tube and watched it go up.

→ 28. Posted by: crispy seaplane at May 25, 2006 3:23 PM

Awesome review Mac!

The season's over, we've lost a friend. I'm feeling a little overklempt! Let me give you a topic to discuss amongst yourselves!

The Others - are they really good guys? Who are the bad guys? Hostiles? Dharma? FHG said to Ana that they didn't kill anybody. Have they? Didn't Goodwin kill a tailie earlier in the season? DISCUSS!

→ 29. Posted by: jake3841 at May 25, 2006 3:26 PM

I can not even begin to comprehend this episode. Thanks for trying to help me out here, Mac.

That "snowglobe" line BETTER NOT be a reference to St. Elsewhere and the outcome of that show, or a hint about this show in any regard....or else I am GNABB!

I don't know if we can assume Des is dead....he didn't read that book yet, did he?

What's to make of Pen? Is she somehow involved in funding this whole thing? How on earth could that electromagnetic anomoly mean to call her and let her know Des is found? I am really not being hypothetical here...I need some help with this one. I don't understand the connection between Des winding up there after a boat accident and her being able to locate him unless he had some sort of tracking device on him in the first place....any thoughts or ideas?

By far, my favorite line of the entire episode was Locke: "I was wrong..."...thanks, captain obivous!

Do we know of any "Tom" or "Bea" from anyone else's backstory?

I thought FHG was "him"....but maybe, just maybe it is Mr. Widemore...

That's all for now....see y'all in here real soon....WGNABB!

Namaste...

→ 30. Posted by: Vikki at May 25, 2006 3:28 PM

Desmond isn't dead.....A major part of next season will be Pen looking for him.

Wouldn't make much sense to kill him off

→ 31. Posted by: OYE at May 25, 2006 3:30 PM

dknight: I thought Des was saying "boss man" to Locke, but I could be wrong...anyone have CC and can tell us? Thanks...

→ 32. Posted by: Vikki at May 25, 2006 3:32 PM

The line is BOX-Man....
yes, that's correct say it with me "BOX MAN"

→ 33. Posted by: OYE at May 25, 2006 3:33 PM

WGNABB!

Mac, you are the man! I don't think anyone can do the great job you did with this review...hats off buddy!!! There are so many great lines in this review that I can't pick the best one...one of my all-time favorites throughout the season:"...it was michael and he looked like ass".

Props to the writers for tying up all those loose threads...goes to prove that they don't wing this thing as the show goes on. This is definitely the best show on the planet!

What was that look between Jack and Kate??? Can't wait to find out!!

And whats with Charlie seeming so relaxed despite no word of Eko and Locke? He seemed so genuinely concerned about both of them before and after the explosion but at the beach he seems so oblivious to it all...despite the naggings from claire for more info. I wonder what he is upto!

We definitely haven't seen the last of either of the Widmores. I was so convinced that the "ice men" would be calling Charles Widmore but was I surprised to see Penny...maybe she is Percephone????

Did anyone else watch Jimmy Kimmel and the Hugh McIntire interview? Thoughts on that?

I love this show and I can't wait for season 3 to start. mac, we're gonna miss you this summer man...better look for a bigger boat while you are not writing the recaps!!

→ 34. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 25, 2006 3:35 PM

Crispy Sea Plane,
Of course, now I remember, thanks. Just getting a little ahead of myself there.....I just went a little crazy when I saw all the tubes!!!

→ 35. Posted by: Joss at May 25, 2006 3:36 PM

dknight--

Desmond didn't call Locke "Box Man", he called him bossman.

→ 36. Posted by: illusivemuse at May 25, 2006 3:39 PM

I didn't think Jack and Kate were giving eachother signals.

I thought Jack actually looked evil, almost maniacle (sp?) like "ha ha ha, all part of my plan" type deal.

→ 37. Posted by: OYE at May 25, 2006 3:40 PM

Can anyone tell me about the Hanso commercial? Episodes that air in Canada have canadian commercials....poo.

→ 38. Posted by: Joss at May 25, 2006 3:40 PM

illusivemuse
CC stated it as 'Box Man'.

→ 39. Posted by: Joss at May 25, 2006 3:42 PM

The map wasn't in a container - it was laying loose in the pile of containers.

→ 40. Posted by: norockets at May 25, 2006 3:42 PM

djjoeycool....WGNBB = we're gonna need a bigger boat.

Namaste = read the previous episode's bog entries....it can mean any of a number of things, not the least of which is "While in purgatory, it is critical to rewind the tapes so one can witness Michael's behavior."

Also, to whoever said this, I think Desmond called Locke "Boss Man", not "Box Man".

Great episode and great review, Mac. Loved the line "HOLY CRAP ON TOAST". Shows you read all the blog entries and we somehow get in to your brain and stick. Also loved the Homer Simpson statue line.

→ 41. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 25, 2006 3:45 PM

Did anyone notice that part of Desmond's name--the "David Hume" part--is an 18th century philospher? I'm not all that familiar with philosphers, so can someone tell me if there is any rhyme or reason to naming so many characters after philosophers (Lock, Rousseau, and now Hume)? Are the philosopher-named characters' thoughts or behaviors at all connected with their particular philosopher's theories?

When is someone with the name Decartes going to make an appearance on the show??

→ 42. Posted by: FirstTimePoster at May 25, 2006 3:47 PM

katePlusSun=Fun -

I did stay up and watch that Hugh McIntyre interview on Kimmel - how could you go to sleep after that 2-hour episode???? Anyhow, these guys (producers) are so freakin' ridiculously smart...they have taken marketing a tv show to a new level (fake Oceaninc website, fake Hanso website, Lost Experience, interview with ficticious Hanso Communications director, etc..). Although we won't have Mac's reviews to look forward to each week, we can eagerly await the next Lost Experience clue...

BTW - has anyone read Bad Twin yet? I've heard that it is a pretty good mystery novel (besides giving some history on the Hanso Foundation, Paik, and Widmore).

→ 43. Posted by: dknight at May 25, 2006 3:49 PM

sorry guys, forgot to mention a few other things.

i am so glad they brought back FHG...great actor who I love to hate.

Locke has officially lost his Obi-Locke title...I couldn't believe my eyes when he was crying...I hope Eko kicks his a$$ for causing the hatch meltdown.

I am pretty convinced the writers of the show read this blog...The way they throw in these subtle lines that are a mirror reflection to some of the comments i read here convinces me. Eg. Sawyer asking Mike if he thought the Others were former Dharma guys or something to that effect...have to rewatch the show again to memorize all the lines!!

whoever predicted the exchange between Sawyer and Kate about the whole "caught in a net" issue...you are a genius...or maybe one of the writers just like i predicted.

Man, I really wanted Hurley to tackle Michael (like he did Sawyer in Dave)when he confessed to the hatch killings.

well, this is all i can think of right now but more later!

→ 44. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 25, 2006 3:50 PM

hey all and hey MAC--you rock my man!!!!

two quick tidbits:

1) Aside from the Widmore sightings on the Preg Test and the hot air balloon, I believe in "The Long Con" when Sawyer and Cassidy meet for some exchange or scam, in the background of the shot you can see Widmore Industries, labs, etc. and it looks like a factory or warehouse.

2) You mentioned that after the "incident" with Desmond and the electromagnet (which brought down flight 815) Desmond sits down and reads his Dickens book. I would imagine that it was either a continuity error by the producers or Desmond sat down to read a few weeks after the "incident"--since right after he hears Locke topside.

and Mac, as always brother, you are the best

→ 45. Posted by: cinefyl at May 25, 2006 3:51 PM

Grrrrrrrrrreat Work Mac, your re-caps and this Season will be missed for the 4+ months.

TO JOSS:
Q: "Anyone notice that the map Locke sent up the tube was out of it's container?"

A: That is because he did not but it in one. He just shot the paper w/out a container up the tube.

-Bryan

→ 46. Posted by: -Bryan at May 25, 2006 3:51 PM

socompletelylost -

I brought up the fact that Desmond called Locke "Box Man". Closed Caption listed it that way.

→ 47. Posted by: dknight at May 25, 2006 3:52 PM

dknight, i did watch the mcintyre interview...i just wanted to know what y'all thought about it!

→ 48. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 25, 2006 3:53 PM

So what are everyone's theories on the statue? I haven't read a word of it!

The statue remnant proves that this island is ancient.(Giant statues haven't been created and unnoticed for at least 3 or 4 centuries!)

The statue having 4 toes somehow tells us that man has evolved since the day in which the statue was created. I could speculate more but that much is proven. Whether the 4 toes is going to lead us into the extraterrestrial or just a race of humans more "pure" than the lot of us, I'm not sure, but I would bet Dharma is researching it, based on the following:

-They kidnap only the "good ones"
-They give Walt "tests"
-They take Michaels blood
-They only "kill" when their mission is threatened. (Has anyone else noticed this!? Think back to Ethan and then Sullivan with the tailies. Ethan was going to kill until he got Claire. Sullivan killed to protect his mission of getting Ana Lucia or whoever.)

Any one else have great statue ideas!

→ 49. Posted by: Brett Richardson at May 25, 2006 3:55 PM

dknight, i did watch the mcintyre interview...i just wanted to know what y'all thought about it!

i agree that the makers of the show are extremely smart. goes to show how much money they are making to go to all the troubles that they have so far.

did anyone else catch who the hanso commercial last night was paid by. and Joss, the commercial said to visit the site www.HansoCareers.com for more info.

→ 50. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 25, 2006 3:55 PM

I heard Tom/Zeke say something interesting when they were on the pier before Michael left. I forget who he was talking to and I don't know the exact words but he said something like "Walt was such an amazing find." Did anyone else catch this? Makes me wonder why they would be letting Walt go if he is so valuable. Actually, maybe fake Henry said it.

→ 51. Posted by: diamondgirl at May 25, 2006 3:55 PM

when sayid goes to check out the door in the abandoned others camp, did he hear a knocking first? or was that just sound effects/orchestration?

the writers did a great job with the show, but i still think it is bad writing that the 4 people on michael's list just happened to be the four people in the hatch when libby and ana lucia died. and after all that convincing of hurley to go, the others just let him go. maybe they'll explain it in a future season, but it was just too convenient (and so far useless) to have those specific people.

i liked that henry gale seemed to be someone in authority (i assumed he was just a flunkie) and i also liked that he had some honor. he honored the deal they made even though he didn't like it.

i also thought eko's plan was badly concocted. he has experience with weaponry and the like (from his pre-priest days)--he should know what blast doors are for. or at the very sought a better hiding place.

finally someone wondered if kelvin was dead--didn't desmond say that he buried him (at the beginning of season 2?)..

i like the connection someone made between david (libby dead husband), the person hurley killed and hurley's invisible friend.

is libby a real nickname for elizabeth?

→ 52. Posted by: Bas at May 25, 2006 3:57 PM

Mac,
You rock my world buddy. You have a great talent for writing these reviews, and it is obviously much appreciated by everyone who watches the show. As for the comment posted by HEY EVILGATOR I'd like to say that people's comments/theories should not be thwarted just because they may seem wrong in your eyes. Have a little more respect - personally I appreciate all comments nomatter how bogus they may seem. Everyone has the right to put in their two cents.
Here's to hoping that next season we will find out what the hell Jack's tatoo means (It's been bothering me since the beginning)
Mac, cheers to the end of a great season and the beginning of another - you're the best man.

→ 53. Posted by: Jonny at May 25, 2006 3:59 PM

Diamondgirl:
I can't remember if it was Tom or HG that said it, but I know what you are refering to. He said something about Walt being more than they could have imagined or expected. Sounds like he was refering to Walt's abilities or powers. Maybe they don't need Walt anymore because they have his and Michael's DNA and plan to clone him? I dunno.

Can anyone give me some insight on the Hugh McIntyre interview, sad to say I missed it :(

→ 54. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at May 25, 2006 4:01 PM

I love reading your blogs, mac, because they always pick up on little clues/details I miss. No hi def, tivo here :(

I'm hoping that Locke and Eko (and maybe Desmond) made it into the area of the hatch off the computer room and hotwired the blast doors down. Why would Dharma even build those huge blast doors if it wasn't to protect life from a "system termination" event...

Charlie was acting very suspicious, and a little too unconcerned about Eko and Locke. Maybe Clair just turns his brain to mush...

What is with that giant foot statue, the stone window landmark, and that weird bird?

Maybe it's not aliens, but ancient civilizations. I think the others/hostiles home is underground, not underwater. They're always dirty/dusty. Maybe in some big cave somewhere, protected from the electromagnetism by the rock formations. No, wait, maybe that was a Trek show...

The camera did linger for a looong time on Jack and Kate's wierd blinking. Maybe they're hoping the others take them "home" so they can find out where it is -- all part of Jack's plan??

Going to rewind and watch my tapes tonight.

p.s. Joss (?) -- thanks for the Jaws WGNBB explanation. Shark-phobia here.

Has anybody read that Dickens book???

→ 55. Posted by: lost chao at May 25, 2006 4:02 PM

Still reading the review, but I found one thing I think is a mistake in part one. You note that, after Desmond's issue with the system failure that "Later that day" he hears Locke pounding on the hatch door. I'm thinking this must be quite a bit later. Presuming that it was Desmond's failure to punch in the code that caused Flight 915 to crash, it was a few weeks after that that Boone died and Locke had his epiphany moment on the other side of the door. My guess is that Desmond had spent those few weeks on a bender of sorts, trying to decide what to do now that he was all alone in the world, and had finally decided to kill himself (after reading his precious book).

→ 56. Posted by: janezy at May 25, 2006 4:02 PM

Mac--
That was the ferry dock at the end. There was a sign in the background that said Pala Ferry.

→ 57. Posted by: crispy seaplane at May 25, 2006 4:02 PM

Looks like Jack to me in the final scene...could it be he and Desmond but with Portugese voiceovers?

→ 58. Posted by: Bridget at May 25, 2006 4:03 PM

Mac, I can't say it any other way that hasn't been said, but: THANKS!!!!!!!!

Great season, great efforts all year to build the best LOST community that I've found so far.

See you in another life, brother. Or next season, whichever comes first.

→ 59. Posted by: KG at May 25, 2006 4:04 PM

Thanks Mac, once again Great review! You catch all the little details I miss.

Ok so here are some quick thoughts because I am still overwhelmed by it.
- I was very disappointed in Locke (even though I know it needed to happen to find out about the button) he was acting like Michael, all crazed and selfish - pissed me off

- My theory on Penny looking out for magnetic anomalies - Desmond told her he was going on her father's race, I 'm sure the sailing route would be public knowledge, and if she saw that it went by the island. I assume she works for Widmore, it seems to be a family thing, if she did some research maybe she found out what went on there. Her father would know that Desmond was in the race, maybe he planned for Desmond to go by the island and get sucked in. My first thought when I saw the ending was that she had to know what to look for, so she must be involved somehow.

And I don't know what anyone is saying goodbye for the summer (so dramatic), there are so many new questions that could have us debating and pondering for more than just a summer. I for one will be rewatching the episodes and following the interactive game to find out more about Hanso and Widmore. Wonder what the consequences will be for not pushing the button, more planes & boats crashing, is the polarity of the earth changed, are the polar ice caps melting, are the menstrual cycles of all the women on the island aligned ( I think that last one would suck the most ;) So many questions. . . . .

→ 60. Posted by: Mary at May 25, 2006 4:07 PM

Sayid has gotta be lurking, waiting to make his move.
I have to believe Michael and Walt are gonna snap out of it after they keep ending up back at the island and go back to rally the losties for a rescue mish.

"WGNBB"

→ 61. Posted by: thinng at May 25, 2006 4:12 PM

Mac: Thanks so much for your great reviews; I look forward to every Thursday and will probably start going into withdrawal in the next few days.

"I ... I ... This is my SON!" he says, not realizing he's talking to three people who don't have kids, thereby negating the "parent excuse." This line was hilarious.

I think Walt and Michael are gone for good; nice that the producers could "get rid" of characters without having to kill them.

Anyway, the stage is set for the show to move in an entirely different direction and I can hardly wait till fall. I'm just so glad that Lost answered a lot of questions and didn't go all "Twin Peaks" on us.

→ 62. Posted by: Kathy at May 25, 2006 4:12 PM

If you want to watch the interview with Hugh McIntyre, go to:
http://lostlinks.net/

It's near the bottom.

→ 63. Posted by: Zeppo at May 25, 2006 4:13 PM

If Michael and Walt actually do sail off and find rescue, who's going to take care of Vincent? Will Walt teleport himself back to the beach to pick him up?

Also, I believe the foot statue is that of Fred Flintstone, not Homer Simpson.:) Or, perhaps it's not a foot at all. Maybe the 4 "toes" represent something. Is there a "Four [blanks] of [blank]" anywhere in Buddhism?

→ 64. Posted by: Trinity at May 25, 2006 4:14 PM

All our theories are fun and entertaining to read, but did anyone else get a KICK out of Saywer sayin': "My Theory Is ___________..."? It was like the writers were almost saying they monitor and read all the theories that are out there. It is their way of poking-fun at all us LOST RUBES. Genius.

-Bryan

→ 65. Posted by: Bryan at May 25, 2006 4:15 PM

Maybe the statue only had four toes because the person who the statue was of, lost a pinkie toe during the "incident"

→ 66. Posted by: Mary at May 25, 2006 4:17 PM

What about Desmond saying that Kelvin was the spot on the ceiling??? That he put a shotgun in his mouth.

→ 67. Posted by: mtncbn at May 25, 2006 4:18 PM

Great 2 parter MAC, thanks for another thursday afternooon of not working.

Anyone else notice that when Sun was puking on the boat(obviously morning sickness) and Jin assumed it was sea sickness, she said" its not sea sickness" and Jin says, "I know".... did i miss the episode when she told him?
and Charlie, what the heck is up with him? He left Eko in the rubble and walked out to the beach? i know he has no love lost for Locke, but cmon, he left his priest there!!

Oh and when the hatch door was comin in for a landing and Bernard saved Claire and the baby from gettin smashed, AT FIRST, i thought it was a piece of another plane that got plucked from the sky! for that split second, i thought we were gonna have some more Lostaways.
Mac, loved your use of the Mrs. Broslovski line, "what, what, WHAT?!" awesome job dude,

OH and the Hanso commercial was paid for by Monster.com of all things. Any out of work people due to the overuse of this site? yea me too
have a great summer everyone, see you in the funny pages!

→ 68. Posted by: marls at May 25, 2006 4:18 PM

Interesting Dickens' connection: "Our Mutual Friend" is not only the last book Desmond intended to read, it was also the last book Dickens ever finished writing. Dickens started "The Mystery of Edwin Drood" after "Our Mutual Friend" but died before he could complete it.

In addition, The New York Times also reports in today's paper that this is a reference to writer John Irving ("The World According to Garp," etc).

Here is the quote from the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/25/arts/television/25lost.html

"During a visit to New York City last week, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the executive producers who run "Lost," said they got the idea of the deathbed reading of "Our Mutual Friend" from an interview with the writer John Irving in which he said he was saving it for last. But besides paying tribute to Mr. Irving, they were eager to refer to Dickens for their own narrative purposes.

"He was writing chapter by chapter for newspapers," Mr. Cuse said. "We often think: 'How much did Dickens know when he was writing his stories? How much of it was planned out, and how much was flying by the seat of his pants because he had to get another chapter in?' " He paused, then said with a laugh, "We can respect what he went through."

→ 69. Posted by: Henry at May 25, 2006 4:18 PM

Anyone recall anything about Claire's conversation with Desmond where she was telling him about Aaron's father? It struck me at the time like it might be important and got me thinking again of the possibility of Christian being the father.

→ 70. Posted by: crispy seaplane at May 25, 2006 4:25 PM

I think we're going to see Desmond again sometime in the third season. Here are the facts : In the beginning of the second season, during Jack's flashback we see Desmond helping him after he [Jack] sprained his ankle. His last words were: "See you in another life" Later we see Desmond in the hatch. Second, when Desmond decides to ditch the hatch he says these words again, and we yet again see Desmond in this episode manning a sailboat. During the last five minutes of the episode, Desmond says "see you in another life" again to Locke just after he turns the key. I think that we will see him in the future.

→ 71. Posted by: Mr. Cube at May 25, 2006 4:25 PM

Great review Mac! See you in the Fall!

→ 72. Posted by: The Duf at May 25, 2006 4:28 PM

Your right Crispy Seaplane, I remember thinking maybe Desmond abandoned a baby or maybe Penny wanted to have a baby before he went to prision. He looked upset afer Claire said that her boyfriend knew what he was doing when he left her and that he did it for himself (can't remember exact quote)

→ 73. Posted by: Mary at May 25, 2006 4:30 PM

- NY Times had an article about lost in todays issue. They producers/writers acknowledged that they read the internet/etc and that they purposely (sp) tied up some outstanding items. Good article overall.
- Is Penny's dad the 'founder of hanso'. If u see the commerical they profile looks like thim (okay or onther white male)
- if the guys on the polar outpost look the same - maybe this is a cloning experimenet?
- speaking of which: i think there are two hanso experiments going on at the same time (maybe three) - electromagnetic, pscyhological and cloning. all part of the military industrial complex.
- about the boat: i think that fhg is pointing mike/son toward jin/sayeed (knowing that they are coming)... they will meet and somethign will ahppen. That is my take on it

Okay thanks again for the posts and for the reviews.

Dumb question - where is the link for the interactive game and the hints. Gonna be a long summer

b/r
c

→ 74. Posted by: lostatwork at May 25, 2006 4:31 PM

Does anybody else think that Libby is much more involved with the Hanso Foundation than the show has let on so far? I don't think it was a coincidence that she just happened to be at the same coffee shop as Desmond, happened to have a sailboat to give away, and happened to be in the same mental institution as Hurley. I think she was recruiting people to bring onto the island. She is also the only main Lostaway whose backstory we haven't seen (right?).

Also, if you go to thehansofoundation.org, there is a board of directors member named Liddy (almost Libby) but no picture.

Thoughts?

→ 75. Posted by: SSJoe at May 25, 2006 4:34 PM

Catching up with some of the other comments:

(1) Since someone asked, I have read "Our Mutual Friend" and seen the British Mini Series of it on PBS. The main connection I see to "Lost" is the one already mentioned: the book, as its title implies, is about connections between people, more specifically the story shows how connections exist across social classes, from the very rich to the very poor.

(2) I might be wrong but I took Jack and Kate's glances at the end as indicating that Jack hopes the Others will take their captives back to the Other Village where Team 2 is waiting. However, as has been mentioned, the Other Village may be just a set and the real Other base may be elsewhere.

(3) The topic of naming characters after philosophers was mentioned. Personally, I find that this is just a literary device. In my view writers who use this device generally don't know anything more about the phiilosphers in question than what one can read in a brief encylopedia entry, so there's no use looking any great deep meanings there...This device iss used in the cartoon strip "Calvin and Hobbes" for instance! Naturally one can always come up with some sort of connection. Examples: Jean-Jacques Rousseau the philosopher wrote about man in the "state of nature" before civilization and David Hume was a Scottish philosopher who died happy in bed even though he didn't believe in an afterlife, etc.

(4) Why did they let Walt go? What if they have recruited him and he will be an agent for them back in the real world? This idea inspired by the reference to Walt "joining" them.

→ 76. Posted by: Henry at May 25, 2006 4:40 PM

Speaking of Walt, we didn't find out what "The Room" is either. But no doubt Jack, Kate and Sawyer will...

Also, totally ridiculous, but the group I was with laughed for 5 minutes after I made the joke: "Locke and Eko will be fused by the magnetic anomaly, and will now be referred to as Lo-ko."

(You haven't seen 'The Thing with Two Heads'? For shame!)

→ 77. Posted by: The Duf at May 25, 2006 4:47 PM

Locke didn't send the map in a container. He just opened the neumatic tube and the paper was sucked up the tube by itself.

My theory is that Penny Widmore's Dad runs the Dharma project, for whatever kinky reason, and she found out about the secret island with the weird electromagnetic shit going on; she also found out somehow that Desmond is stuck on that island. So she set up a research team to watch for anything weird happening "out there." Otherwise, how would she know to be looking for that in particular and how would it lead her to Desmond? She knew he was racing around the world, thus might be "lost at sea," so she's trying to track him down. I love her line about how you can find anyone if you have enough money. Totally ties in to the end of the show. Awesome!

Also, this disproves the theories that the rest of the world is gone or whatever.

I am so going to be devastated if Locke, Eko and Desmond are dead. My husband says there is no way they will kill off Locke and Eko, but I think the history of the show proves that they are willing to kill off characters at the drop of a hat. Granted, no one major has died yet, but still....

And I definitely thought there was some signalling going on between Kate and Jack with their eyebrows, nods, etc. Very subtle, but definitely there. It shows how good these actors are that they can communicate so much with just the tiniest tilt of their heads.

And I think "Tom" calls Miss Klugh by the name "Dee," not Bea. Not that it matters much.

I loved the expression on Henry Gale's face when the loud noise starts. As if to say, "Oh shit, here we go again..."

→ 78. Posted by: Amanda at May 25, 2006 4:48 PM

Thanks, friends, for your theories on Penny and the anomaly necessitating a call to her....I see it a bit more clearly now...not sure, still, how she would know about that specific anomoly and then inherently understand that it means Desmond is there....is there a chance they have to call her for another reason and she doesn't realize Desmond is there??? That's a bit more LOST like....

I was thinking....Sayid probably saw this all "go down" on the pier...if he knew enough to realize that Michael was compromised in the first place, he probably also realized there was no way Michael was taking them exactly where he said he would...not sure yet how Sayid would know where to find them or be able to do this undetected, but just the seedling of a theory...

Also, who's to say that Kelvin is really dead? I mean, granted, the whole brains and blood thing on the rock would probably allude to the fact that he is, but could you imagine the look on Sayid's face if he encountered Kelvin on the island somewhere?

I thought it was a BIG FAT CLUE as to where the island is if Desmond said:
1. He was traveling due west
2. He was traveling 9 knots an hour
3. He should have wound up in Fiji in less than a week.

Now, is that 'cause he knows where he is to start out with, or is he just using Fiji as a hypothetical destination? If is is the first one, can anyone do the math and fiddle with their geographic skills to figure out where this could be? I lack the skills in both areas....

One last thing...I like how Desmond and Locke were each other's salvation...all the while taking place as they both stared into a bright light at the end of a tunnel...

That's all for now, y'all...namaste

and PS...WGNABB!

→ 79. Posted by: Vikki at May 25, 2006 5:10 PM

Thanx Henry for the info. on the philosophers. I can see now how the characters somewhat tie in with their namesakes. I won't contine to ponder the point too much further since the naming seems to be just a bit of superficial cleverness on the writer's part.

→ 80. Posted by: FirstTimePoster at May 25, 2006 5:20 PM

mac, no one can say it enough, but you're wonderful at what you do. thank you for all your hard work! you rock my socks off! do you or does filmfodder have a myspace site? you should...
on the ep...i really thought that the people in the anartic (or where ever) were looking for the boat that desmond used. since we don't know excatly WHEN that was when the dot started blinking.
who knew (someone did and forgive for not knowing who excatly) that they had if not the leader, one of the higher ups in the other camp. i would have never thought that anyone in a high ranking spot would have put themselves on the line like that but then again cpt. picard did it all the time...
i really hope we're done with the mike walt story line. ugh...... and yeah what about vincent?
claire/charlie...that was just wierd and felt a tad forced.
why the hell didn't charlie say anything! argh....
ok i'm done...for now.
thank you,
L~

→ 81. Posted by: Laura at May 25, 2006 5:24 PM

My thoughts on Penny Widmore -- in reference to her comments about being able to find anyone, anywhere with enough money -- Desmond has been on the island for three years, plus whatever time he has been travelling around in his boat before that. Maybe Penny was tracking him all along, and then lost his signal when he arrived at the island three years ago. Since she has so much money, she has spent the last three years scouring the globe searching for him, but has not been able to find him ANYWHERE, even with her vast amount of resources. If she knows about her father's connection to Dharma and Hanso, she might deduce that Desmond MUST be somewhere beyond her detection, so instead of searching for Desmond himself, she has chosen to set up stations to search for anything abnormal that happens in the world, in the hopes this will lead her to him.

Maybe the first time they detected the abnormality coincided with Desmond's disappearance from the face of the earth, so she has been watching for another abnormality to determine his last location. Any thoughts?

I also agree with the person who said that Eko and Locke are still alive. The blast doors are clearly there to protect those inside from the electromagnetic "explosion" that occurs if the numbers are not entered. I think it was a great idea for the writers to eliminate the need for the button, the computer, and the hatch. It will help to develop the story of who the others are if we don't have to worry about what happens if they don't push the button.

Can't wait for season 3...

→ 82. Posted by: stocky at May 25, 2006 5:37 PM

To those who are wondering if Kelvin is really dead, I think he is. Des eventually had to go back to get his boat and would have noticed if the corpse were missing.

And good god, I just discovered this website and those awesome reviews from MAC, its like I missed a part of Lost by not knowing of this greatness all this time. Better late than never I guess :o

→ 83. Posted by: axbob at May 25, 2006 5:38 PM

To icebergSlim...

Tom/Zeke said on the boat dock, "We got more than we bargained for with Walt."

I think Walt probably made their lives hell, and they are happy to see him go...

or not. it could all be a big trick.

→ 84. Posted by: Amanda at May 25, 2006 5:39 PM

Um, no mention of Rousso's daughter feeling up kate on the ferry dock at the end.

When they are all on their knees and the others go to help them up and move them, or whatever it is they're doing. Rousso's daughter is behind Kate, puts her arms under Kate's, grabs both boobs and then helps her up. It's very obvious! honk honk, oops let me help you up.

Mac, great review, I can't wait til winter...did I just say that?

→ 85. Posted by: DizzyG at May 25, 2006 5:50 PM

FHG said that Walt was "more than we bargained for." This implied to me that they had more trouble with Walt than it was worth, so they were glad to be getting rid of him.

I don't know about the Jack/Kate plan, but I also thought that maybe it was showing their affection for one another and Sawyer looked at them sad/mad that Kate wasn't all into him.

Finally, FHG said that he wasn't happy when he learned of the deal, making it sound like he's the man in charge (that and the way he took over the exchange and was getting on Tom/Zeke about not wearing the beard.)

(And I agree that the Desmond book scene must have been a few days later after he had enough...)

→ 86. Posted by: leila at May 25, 2006 5:55 PM

When FHG said that Walt was "more than we bargained for," I thought it implied that Walt's powers were stronger than the others had anticipated, and, perhaps, they couldn't control him the way they wanted/needed to.

→ 87. Posted by: jill at May 25, 2006 6:02 PM

in regard to the four toes on the statue foot and Buddhism, yes, there are four noble truths in buddhism

they are:

Four Noble Truths
1. Suffering exists
2. Suffering arises from attachment to desires
3. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases
4. Freedom from suffering is possible by practicing the Eightfold Path

And the Eightfold path deal with mediation, right thinking, etc.

→ 88. Posted by: cinefyl at May 25, 2006 6:11 PM

If all of this goes down the creep-o alien road, I am so NOT going to be a happy camper!

→ 89. Posted by: GatorGal at May 25, 2006 6:23 PM

FHG is just a lieutenant. He's not "Him."

→ 90. Posted by: Amanda at May 25, 2006 6:25 PM

The four-toed foot seen by Jin, Sun, and Sayid is probably that of Anubis. In Egyptian history, Anubis ruled the underworld. ?????

→ 91. Posted by: maxlife at May 25, 2006 6:53 PM

A few things I noticed:
1. When we cut to the two Portuguese guys, there's a blizzard going on outside their window. I immediately thought "North Pole", then remembered Desmond's line about being "in a snowglobe".
2. When Charlie gets back to camp and sits down next to Claire, he says "Aren't they (Locke and Eko) back yet?", as if they were on a picnic and just happened to leave a few moments before Charlie. His whole demeanor was very odd, certainly not in keeping with someone who just survived the fireball and who had to have been awfully close the the source of the blinding white light. Plus, I would think that losing or damaging one's hearing would be quite upsetting (and not just a minor annoyance, which is how Charlie was acting), especially to a musician.
My favorite line was when Eko boots Locke out of the hatch and Locke says something about "doing it (or not doing it) so they'll be free". Then Eko says "Now you are free. Do not come back." That cracked me up. Love Eko's accent and diction.

Mac, I have to add my thanks and praise to the huge heap you have already. I love reading your summaries ... it's the highlight of my Thursdays!

→ 92. Posted by: Marcie at May 25, 2006 7:10 PM

I'm still trippin' on that 4 toed statue remnant. What is it? Simpsons Island ?

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

→ 93. Posted by: thinng at May 25, 2006 7:12 PM

Great recap Mac! Very well done. You helped explain so much that just flew by me last night.

I have one question though, I posted a comment earlier today and it was removed. I know the reasons for removal but I can't figure out why it was taken off? Was it because I said I was addicted to your site and that I might need an intervention?

You are the best! Look forward to next season.

→ 94. Posted by: tiny at May 25, 2006 7:36 PM

Gotta say I loved the final. And it was great to have Clancy Brown on the show again (The man who played Inman), for all us Carnivale fans. If you haven't seen Carnivale yet, I suggest you buy/download the series as fast as humanly possible, it is perhaps the greatest series ever written, and you've gotta have something to watch until the next season of lost, right?

Ok enough of my ravings about Carnivale. Just thought I'd point out one litle plot point you missed, Mac. It might be nothing, but I think we all know that's not true;-) In one of Desmonds flashbacks from the golden days in the hatch, he watches the Orientation film. Realizing that the film is not complete he asks Inman: "Why are there missing parts?", and Inman replies: "Radzinsky made some edits". Why would he do that? And what did he take away? I believe we haven't seen the last of the hatch-riddle, yet..

→ 95. Posted by: Gulbrand at May 25, 2006 7:40 PM

Tiny -- I can guarantee your post wasn't removed for any violation or problem. I screwed up the first post of this review and I had to delete the old version, which wiped out a few comments. So my apologies for that! -- Mac

→ 96. Posted by: mac at May 25, 2006 7:45 PM

Thanks for the fast response Mac! As always, you rock! I know you have heard this a million times, but we all greatly appreciate the time you put into doing this. Of all of the blogs I have read on Lost, your's completely outshines the others. Absolutely no comparison. Have a great summer.

→ 97. Posted by: tiny at May 25, 2006 7:55 PM

Gulbrand,

The 'missing pieces' Desmond refers to are the ones that Locke eventually spliced into the copy from the film Eko found. I think we've seen the complete film for Swan at this point.

There is much speculation about people being dead in the hatch. Assuming they were not killed by explosions or flying silverware, I've never heard of someone dying from excessive magnetism... is such a thing even possible?

There is still an issue though, if you think about it. Ok, the incident occurs, and now you must push the button every 108 minutes. BUT! There is this switch you can turn, and it will shut the whole thing down.

WHY NOT JUST SHUT IT DOWN???? Not the people pushing the (former) button. I would think Dharma itself would shut the thing down, just to avoid all the trouble it causes. Why keep it going?

I know, I know, to make a fun season. :)

→ 98. Posted by: The Duf at May 25, 2006 8:02 PM

What if Penny got her dad to confess to what happened to Desmond, or said something like "he just pushing a button on an island somewhere." Or she may have been snooping through her dad's thing and found information about an "electic anomaly" or whatever the technical term that Kelvin told Desmond about.

Would Kelvin had needed to cause an "accident" to get the boat to come to the island, was it planned by someone, or did he just happen to land on this island after he got knocked during a storm in the middle of sea?

Maybe Alex (I think that was her name) told Kate and Jack something while they were walking to the pier? Remember Alex talked to Michael when they were alone. Maybe Claire told Kate about the girl that helped her in the medical hatch, and then Kate told Jack?

Or jack was nodding and winking to Sawyer that Alex was "fond" of Kate and was about to grab her boobs? Thats what I would have done! Alex is my hero...

→ 99. Posted by: MattR at May 25, 2006 8:08 PM

Duf. I agree with you on just turning it off.

On a similar note - If it is that important to release the magnetism(sp?) every 108 min. why wouldn't they make sure they had someone to push the button or update the system to do it automatically. Or maybe it was just a big show and really didn't mean anything? Disney can probably put on a display like that, why not Dharma?

→ 100. Posted by: MattR at May 25, 2006 8:13 PM

what about the animals appearing on the island? First a polar bear, a horse and now a bird. are these connected to the OTHERS?

→ 101. Posted by: zammer at May 25, 2006 8:56 PM

Great job Mac, I'm pretty new to the site, maybe the last four episodes, but I wouldn't go anywhere else to get Lost recaps and for you to post all of that info in less than 24 hrs, you must have super Walt powers.

I think Libby's death had something to do with the "hostiles" not taking Hurley.

And if the hostile others are the "good guys" who are the bad guys? Who shoots and tortures each other? Who, I can't think of anyone?

And Charlie must be a clone or something, because the real Charlie would be blown out of his mind on Smack.

→ 102. Posted by: Rick Bruner at May 25, 2006 8:56 PM

If you Google Hanso you'll get a couple of wikipedia sites. On there they have bios of ALL the characters. Libby's bio alludes to her dead husband being Hurley's invisible friend. I like the idea that she is stalking hin for revenge. Doesn't seem like she needed the money if she gave a boat to Desmond.

What if Penelope put some sort of tracking device in Desmond's book and the only time the tracking device was visible to the outside world was when the eletromagnet went crazy??? That could explain why the guys in the snow suits have only seen it twice. Maybe??

→ 103. Posted by: Janie at May 25, 2006 8:59 PM

oh yea....forgot.....the bio for Vincent says he shows up right before something bad is about to happen. Never noticed that before.

→ 104. Posted by: Janie at May 25, 2006 9:02 PM

So if Libby was stalking Hurley to kill him, Michael actually did Hurley a favor by whacking her.

→ 105. Posted by: Rick at May 25, 2006 9:09 PM

Now what will I read on Thursdays in lieu of working?

→ 106. Posted by: D at May 25, 2006 9:28 PM

Did anyone else notice that the whispers in the jungle said "Libby" and "Elizabeth"?

I think Libby was deliberately planted by Mr. Widmore to get that boat to Desmond so he would land on the island. Also, wasn't it determined somewhere that Libby's last name was Widmore also?

Thoughts?

→ 107. Posted by: Stephanie at May 25, 2006 9:28 PM

Now what will I read on Thursdays in lieu of working?

→ 108. Posted by: D at May 25, 2006 9:29 PM

One question that still bugs me, and hasn't been answered (As well as that damn monster!) is what's the deal with the two skeletons the Tallies found when they discovered the caves?

Seems like it should be pretty significant to me.

Any thoughts or theories?

P.S: Mac, superb job. I trust you'll be keeping us posted over the summer of any Lost gossip and rumours.

P.P.S: Loved the reference to Walt being 22 and 6ft.

→ 109. Posted by: Schmoking_D at May 25, 2006 9:35 PM

Back to the wikipedia thing....if you read Sawyer's bio it has a list of all the nicknames he calls people...pretty funny.

→ 110. Posted by: Janie at May 25, 2006 9:45 PM

Mac,
Thanks for the summaries, its what keeps me coming back evey week.
Comments:
1) When Desmond wakes up in the Dharma hatch after storm, Kelvin's first question was "Are you the one" This was the same question Desmond asks Locke at the beginning of season 2. When Locke says "yes", Desmond asks the snowman joke. Obviously, there is something to this

2)Don't you think its odd that Desmond was clearly happy/relieved to see someone pounding on the hatch (Locke) saving him from suicide but yet earlier in the season was clearly hostile when Kate, Locke and Jack all descended into the hatch. If he was happy to know somebody was outside, why didn't he just go out the front door and find them instead of hanging around in the hatch?

3) By seeing the rip in Kelvin's biohazard suit and following him out the hatch, Desmond learns there is no virus or diseases. This was merly done by Kelvin to keep him in the hatch while he rebuilt the boat. As such, why does he ask Locke if any of the surviors have become sick? In addition, why does he grab some vaccaine when he split the hatch earlier in the season, he knows it doesn't work.

4) If Desmond had about two weeks to leave the hatch, prepare his boat, try to sail to Fiji and utterly fail only to return for the funeral, why do we think Micheal and Walt will be able to?

All this means to me is that Desmond will continue to figure into Season 3 with more flashbacks to conversations with Kelvin as we learn about the Dharma Initiative.

→ 111. Posted by: Eskimo at May 25, 2006 9:53 PM

Schmoking_D
I figure the skeletons are the De Groots, they were originally apart of the initiave then for some reason became unhappy with the project and started a counter group which became the 'Hostiles' and for some reason died ending up the 'Adam' and 'Eve' of the caves.
Whaddya think?

→ 112. Posted by: Joss at May 25, 2006 10:12 PM

Mac, YOU ARE THE GREATEST! I enjoy your commentary and recap every week. I have an idea: if you're bored over the summer, why not compile a big list of all the things we are still questioning, all the wierd connections, etc? ;-)

a. I dont understand why everyone assumes that Penelope being called has anything to do with a search for Desmond. Maybe it just has something to do with her line of work, but will eventually bring her to Desmond?

b. I'm hoping that Sayid somehow witnessed the happenings on the pier/dock (how far from the "camp" is it?) so that he can maybe keep an eye on things while Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are with the Others.

c. Where the hell is Rousseau?

d. Charlie is odd. He acted about as annoying and unhelpful regarding the hatch explosion. However, if he asked, "Oh, Locke and Eko arent here yet?" (or whatever he said), does it mean that he knows they are out? Or was he just being a jackass? (I'm pretty sure the show would go downhill if you get rid of Locke, Eko, AND Desmond, so they must be somewhere, right?)

I am so confused. Maybe if I dont get a job this summer (ugh) I'll read back through these and compile my own list of questions, connections, oddities, etc.

Can't wait til October guys!

→ 113. Posted by: HurleyIsHot at May 25, 2006 10:57 PM

Why do you think the 2 guys at the end were Portuguese? I assumed they were Icelandic (actually I first thought it was a beer commercial and was going to turn off the TV!), it may also connect to the polar bear from season one. maybe when the system fails (causing the plane to crash) it also allows the space/time continuum to fold, and hence polar bears can find their way to a tropical island.

Also, the job postings on Hanso/careers had a job in Iceland, another for a korean translater (Sun?) and a few other interesting jobs. Maybe some of the Losties are "employees" who recruit unknowing test subjects (Libby/Hurley, Libby/Desmond, Sun/Jin).

I think the 'incident' that is referred to in the Swan film is what brought Rousseau to the island (maybe that flashback will be explored in season3 ). I definitely think that the "him" the Others refer to is Penelope's father. And wasn't Penelope from greek mytholody, she waited 20 years for Odysseus to return home?

→ 114. Posted by: Lost freak at May 25, 2006 11:01 PM

Something I don't think anyone has floated yet...but could this island with it's odd 4-toed statue foot be what's left of the lost continent of Atlantis? I would never have speculated that but the foot put it in my mind...

→ 115. Posted by: Brandonious at May 25, 2006 11:04 PM

This is just a wacky out there idea, but I'll run with it. Please let me know what you think/debunk me/or call me Sawyeresque nicknames for my stupidity.

So far, people have been pushing the stretch between Hanso employee Liddy and 'tailie' Libby. If we hold this stretch and the mild name changes to be true, could Penelope be Persephone?

Putting all the Lost Experience interactive clues with the show, this could explain a lot of things. If Penelope's father did have a direct involvement in Desmond's 'disappearance', and Penny found out about it, she could be doing all she can to undermine her father's company and start an underground movement against Hanso and/or Widmore and any of their associates to find the love of her life.

She did say that anyone can be found when you've got money. I believe the two men speaking Portuguese in the middle of an arctic-like snow storm were in Iceland, given the timely spot during the showing of the season finale of the Hanso Careers website clearly listing a position in the arctic. Perhaps Penny paid these gentlemen to monitor for any unusual activity (or whatever, my creativity is waning) in addition to their Hanso jobs.

And something definitely happened in that hatch. Charlie isn't Charlie... at least not the Charlie we know (knew?).

I mean, I'm not sure of the medical/scientific findings on magnetic therapy and its healing properties, but some people swear by it. As for too much magnetic energy... who knows how it could mess with people and screw them up? Perhaps that's what happened during the 'incident'?

→ 116. Posted by: illusivemuse at May 25, 2006 11:32 PM

To touch on a couple points.

~ Desmond calling Locke "Box-man." It is indeed, BOX, not boss. A reference to Locke's job pre-island of infinite confusion. Desmond knows this tidbit about Locke because Locke told him. Remember the conversation between the two the first time Locke calmly took off his shoes and said hello to the crazy-eyed Scot with a rifle?

~ Regarding Penelope's phone call notice of another event. First, she may or may not be looking for Des in connection with largescale em events. Assuming she is, refer to her line "When you have enough money and determination, you can find anybody." This implies she has enough connections with persons or agencies specializing in surveillance and that these people can be bought.
Not a great leap of logic to assume that she was tracking Des on his oceanic trip and that his dissappearance/assumed death occured at the same time as another largescale em event. Perhaps the storm was generated by one. Once her sources confirmed all this, easy enough to find a couple guys willing to live in an icecube staring at a screen for anough cash. Remember Kelvin's description of the em generator. "Unique." After identifying a one of a kind signal, you know what to look for, just have to sit and wait for another.

~ Some above asked what could make the quarantine door fly 2 miles in the air with no large explosion. Think of how magnets repel when both have the same charge. Seems likely that the door, along with everything else getting pulled toward the magnet, took on one charge, the magnet suddenly reverses charges (again, unique), causing everything it just attracted to repel. Apparently at a high rate of speed.
~ Last mention, someone above this post noted that what the hell were the blast doors for if not to protect from another "incident?" I suspect that Eko, Locke, and Des are fine.

Thanks to anyone patient enough to read all this babble, I'm off to watch this episode again.

Great job on this blog, Mac. I only found it a couple months ago, but have loved every word of it, so thank you for all your work put into this.

→ 117. Posted by: Thorr at May 25, 2006 11:32 PM

yeah, i saw the girl feel up kate, too. had to rewind to make sure i saw what i saw.

→ 118. Posted by: a tad lost at May 26, 2006 12:29 AM

The trapped in a snowglobe line reminded me of an old episode of Friday the 13th the series. The investigators/antique shop people get trapped in one of the cursed artifacts. A snowglobe that contains a pocket dimension with people living in a small town. Wont spoil it but they use a pretty cool means to escape.

→ 119. Posted by: John at May 26, 2006 12:34 AM

So if the giant electromagnet is destroyed/defunct does that mean the miraculous benefits bestowed on some of the Losties will no longer be? Locke will be back in the wheelchair, Rose will be sick again, Jin with no swimmers.....

→ 120. Posted by: Joss at May 26, 2006 12:58 AM

The gal that gave Des the boat was Libby? I thought she looked familiar!

See? That's exactly why I need this blog. I swear I have some kind of brain damage that makes it impossible to recognize faces. Help with the nuances and mysteries of the storylines is appreciated, but I need this site just to figure out who is popping up in the backstories. (To be honest, I didn't recognize Des until he started talking either.)

(Yeah, my friends wax their eyebrows or use a new lipshade and I don't recognized them either.)

Can't wait till next season!

→ 121. Posted by: litgirl at May 26, 2006 1:18 AM

folks,

regarding the blast doors and the safety of Locke et al, remember that Des OPENED the blast doors to get to the bookshelf with the key before triggering the failsafe. Those blast doors were NOT closed.

Adios,
Jay

→ 122. Posted by: jay at May 26, 2006 1:26 AM

My Thursday monring routine....wake up, change my son's diaper, make him breakfast, grab a cup of coffee and turn on the computer and wait for Mac's review to post. Now what's a girl to do?

Great Review Mac. Thursday monrings won't be the same without you.

Moving on...

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Terry O'Quinn are outstanding on the show. The Eko/Locke relationship has more relevance now more than ever. I REALLY REALLY hope they come back next season.

I thought the Jack/Kate blink exchange went something like this....Jack "I'm Sorry" Kate "It's ok" Are the Others going to play mind games with this love triangle and pit them agaisnt one another?

sceaming now...I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

→ 123. Posted by: Kimberly at May 26, 2006 1:30 AM

Of the many things going on that we have yet to understand, one thing is really bothering me -- if the "Others" are supposed to be good, as "Henry Gale" says, why would they have to resort to so much subterfuge? Why not just explain to these people (the survivors of 815, Desmond, Rousseau, etc...) that they are trying to undo the wrongs that have been done on the island, or by the Hanso Foundation, or by whoever is actually running the Dharma Initiative? It's painfully obvious that Jack and the rest of the survivor have no idea what the hell is going on, or what they've stubled into. Why threaten them, and tell them there's a line not to be crossed? Why build a fake camp if no one even knows it's there? Why kidnap people instead of just explaining to them what's going on and asking them to join them (I understand this one may be a little more involved if the "others" are determining that there are "good" people and "bad" people among the survivors)? I guess these are all questions that will hopefully be answered through Season 3.

As for Walt and Michael, I do think we've seen the last of them. They can't keep Walt in the storyline due to the Malcolm's growth spurt, and I don't think there's much more they can do with Michael's character. He pretty much came full circle if you ask me. Everything we've seen about him has revolved around one thing -- trying to get his son back in his life. First Walt was kept from him by his mother. Then by the fact that Walt didn't want a relationship with the father who abandoned him. These were reconciled in season 1. Then Walt was again taken away, by the others this time. Only this time the bond between the two was unbreakable, and they BOTH wanted to be together. So Michael does what he feels he has to to get Walt back. Now he's got him back, but he can't stay on the island because of what he had to do to get his son back. So they have no choice but to leave, whether they want to or not. As someone else wrote earlier, at least the writers found a way to get someone off the island without killing them. Of course, I could be completely wrong, and maybe Henry Gale isn't letting them leave at all, since we still don't know the extent of Walt's powers. Maybe they actually want to keep him around, and maybe they will want Michael to be forced to stay on the island to face what he's done to his "friends." Again, I guess we'll find out in Season 3.

As for the four-toed foot, well, I think that this will be something we will be questioning for a while, without getting any answers. How many answers have we received about the Black Rock? None really, other than the indication on the hatch map that it is the final resting place of Magnus Hanso. I'm not all that intrigued by that foot at this point, or by the window-frame rock formation for that matter.

One more thought -- Desmond clearly stated the date the plane crashed as Sept 22, 2004. Now, in Lost-time, our survivors have only been on the island for roughly 65-70 days. Which puts the real-life timeline for them (disregarding any time-travel theories for the time being) at around late November or early December in 2004. Now if this is the case, why do the dates on the documents on the Hanso Foundation website have 2005 (letter about Joop) and 2006 (letters of communication between DaimlerChrysler and the Hanso Foundation) on them? Either this is the first instance I've seen of a continuity mistake with regards to the whole Lost universe, or the events that we are seeing on the show actually happened in what is now the past. But that would mean that Hanso is still around in the present. If that's the case, I don't think the futures of anyone on that island are going to end well.....

→ 124. Posted by: stocky at May 26, 2006 1:34 AM

Hi everyone,
I have been reading Mac's comments as well as all of yours for quite some time now and it has done nothing but enhance my LOST experience. I am consistently impressed with the level of intelligence and the plethora of knowledge that is presented on this site. Mac is certainly deserved of the praise he has been receiving but thanks should most definately be extended to all of you who contribute to the ongoing LOST discussion as well. So from one LOST devotee to another, thank you!

→ 125. Posted by: Carlie at May 26, 2006 1:38 AM

first time poster:
Did Desmond ever have contact with the rest of the castaways? I ask because: wouldn't Libby and Desmond have recognized each other?

Also, a suggestion for all those reading/posting, when hailing mac and his efforts: how about just typing the word "kudos" and then move on directly to the comments/observations. not that mac doesn't deserve all the compliments, but it would make reading easier, quicker.

→ 126. Posted by: Kara at May 26, 2006 1:49 AM

Mac I stumbled on this site at the begining of the second season, I can't tell you what an important part of this show you have become. I feel like a detective now trying to figure out as many clues as I can. Your site has become a validation for me! Thank you.

I knew before Libby said it that her husband's name was going to be Dave.

I have a problem with the fact that "FHG" seems to know the secret way off the island and into safety/reality/rescue. All you have to do is stay on course at 395. If he knows the way off why is he still there? Something tells me that we may be seeing Michael and Walt again. Even being 22yrs old and now out of character, he seems to be a tie.

Sayid has to be waiting to save the day , because what will the losties do without John, Eko, Jack, Kate and sawyer. Too many lead roles just disapeared from camp.

Enough of my ramblings, Thank you for everything!!

Alicia

→ 127. Posted by: Alicia at May 26, 2006 2:03 AM

Dammit Mac, you sucked me in with this whole blgging thing... interactive journalism really is real!! Anyways, I can't believe I just read all that, but I'm sucked in now. My thoughts:

I didn't lose the "snowglobe" imagery at the end, very slick, and like LostFreak mentioned, it explains the polar bear-esque creature from season 1.

I could be crazy, but I swear when the boat first pulls up to the dock there is someone in the boat with his head down that you cant really see. His hair seems too long to be Henry. You only see hm for like 10 frames, but on first blush, I swore it was the asian dude from the orientation videos... i know i know, those are from 1980 but 25 years isnt THAT long... anyways, first impressions are usually right.

Finally, I too saw the infamous "Feel-up" of Freckles. I thought I was just being a perv (I love Freckles), but it did happen, and this show is too well produced for it to have just been a mistake that they didn't/couldn't re-shoot. Maybe Alex slipped her something... a blade or note or god knows what? And maybe Jack saw that or knew it was coming somehow, and thats why the exchanged knowing glances at the end???

It's either that, or Jack is giving kate a "did she just feel you up, and did you like it" kind of nod, and shes responding in the affirmatve, and Cowboy Sawyer just couldnt beleve it??

Finally, after seeing the 4 toed statue... it's totally atlantis.

I gotta go to bed. Check you later Mac...

→ 128. Posted by: hopguy2 at May 26, 2006 2:06 AM

Dammit Mac, you sucked me in with this whole blgging thing... interactive journalism really is real!! Anyways, I can't believe I just read all that, but I'm sucked in now. My thoughts:

I didn't lose the "snowglobe" imagery at the end, very slick, and like LostFreak mentioned, it explains the polar bear-esque creature from season 1.

It's either that, or Jack is giving kate a "did she just feel you up, and did you like it" kind of nod, and shes responding in the affirmatve, and Cowboy Sawyer just couldnt beleve it??

Finally, after seeing the 4 toed statue... it's totally atlantis.

I gotta go to bed. Check you later Mac...

→ 129. Posted by: hopguy2 at May 26, 2006 2:06 AM

Mac,

Great job but I need to clarify something everyone else has missed.

Your references to Des's "mullet" are a little off base. Long, dirty ass, wirey, curly hair doesn't necessarily mean it's a mullet. Correct terminology for the mullet would be a "short long". You know, all business in the front, with a party in the back! =)

Desmond never really had a mullet.

But on the hot topic. In the first season for the first 4/5 episodes, Sawyer actually did have a partial mullet. He must have uncovered, through his pillaging sprees, some of that good Old Dharma Rapid Hair Growth solution! Cause bot 5 days on the island and his mullet turn to long flowing golden lockes!

Anyways!

Cheers to beers!
Cid

→ 130. Posted by: Cid at May 26, 2006 3:21 AM

first good job mac your reviews made me visit this blog more frequent then any other site on net:).. sadly india the show is still around 5-6 months away..... still cant w8 for next season reviews and hope the show live upto its status till now:) ... thanks again

→ 131. Posted by: abhishek at May 26, 2006 5:24 AM

hiya

don't think sayid saw the pier incident: you could see him on the boat with sun & jin, all of them holding their ears as the swan exploded/imploded/magnetisithingyed

btw, wasn't pen's dad played by "jim robinson" from ther aussie soap neighbours? i think in the US he was "24"

→ 132. Posted by: ray at May 26, 2006 5:41 AM

hell bells, my typing is shabby! i blame it on post-lost trauma/watching the england soccer team lose last night ;-)

just remembered: POSSIBLE SPOILER

i posted a link in another episode recap to an interview with the actor who plays eko in the british paper the guardian: he is under the impression he returns for season 3, but did not divulge in what capacity

apols for earlier tpying crimes!

→ 133. Posted by: ray at May 26, 2006 5:51 AM

hell bells, my typing is shabby! i blame it on post-lost trauma/watching the england soccer team lose last night ;-)

just remembered: POSSIBLE SPOILER

apols for earlier typing crimes!

→ 134. Posted by: ray at May 26, 2006 5:51 AM

i am a newbie to the site-- amazing stuff mac! kudos!

here's a thought: charlie seems weird at the end; makes strange comment about "aren't eko and locke back yet?" as if nothing happened and then the oddly abrupt reunion with claire. perhaps charlie's experience is a reflection of what is happening with des. i mean, both charlie and des are trying to regain lost honor and in penny's letter she says you are saved by the love of one person. charlie walks away from the hatch unscathed, back to his love who seems to have forgiven his past actions. perhaps the writers are alluding to des and his search for honor.

on a more basic note-- des and charlie both have had the vaccine. maybe this will be important later?

→ 135. Posted by: va at May 26, 2006 7:00 AM

one other thing-- probably obvious but, when desmond meets libby she is wearing a wig (or am i wrong about that?) which makes their meeting different than the other character backstory connections. makes it seem like her boat offer is a set up (by daddy widmore?) not a coincidence.

→ 136. Posted by: va at May 26, 2006 7:10 AM

When Pennelope answered the phone, the Portuguese man called her Miss Widemore. That would imply that she DIDN'T get married. And would add to the speculation that she is tracking down Desmond.

→ 137. Posted by: DW at May 26, 2006 7:37 AM

Thanks a lot for all your great recaps, mac. Most of them were a lot better than the series itself.

It's sad that the Lost writers couldn't even keep the storyline consistent and plausible for two seasons. Anyways, a lot of episodes have been fun, but the end of season 2 is the line I won't cross.

See ya in another life, mac (or somewhere else on foddernetwork).

→ 138. Posted by: Margot at May 26, 2006 8:08 AM

The reason Desmond kept coming back to the island is simple. If there is a powerful magnetic source on the island, the compass will always point towards to the island as this magnetic force is obviously stronger than the magnetic pole source. Using this logic, Michael and Walt will not be able to flee since their course will lead them back towards the island and the magnetic source.

→ 139. Posted by: Vincent Manetta at May 26, 2006 9:05 AM

Some posters have said why didn't they just use the key and turn the whole thing off?? Well, didn't Kelvin say "there was a leak" and "do you have the courage to take your finger out of the dam, and blow the whole dam up?" To me that implies by pushing the button, they are plugging a leak in the dam with a finger. And the only way out, if their finger is getting tired, is to just blow the whole damn dam up. True, but doesn't that mean that everything the dam has been holding back will now be released? And potentially cause massive damage to anything/everything in it's path? And what exactly does turning the key do -- explosion? cut off power? shut down the hatch plug/bandaid on the dam? released a geologically massive magnetic flow? So Desmond saves the Losties by shutting everything down, but at what cost?

Lastly, FHG knows so much it seems. He knows how to get off the island (or so it seems, as he gave Michael instructions). He know how to push the button in the hatch, and more! When Locke was trapp


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