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Key Points from "A Tale of Two Cities"

Season 3, Episode 1
Episode Air Date: 10/04/06

Point 1
Juliet

Ben/Henry Gale

Well damn. I didn't see that coming!

Season three begins in a way you could never, ever imagine. Seriously. For the first three minutes I thought my TiVo dropped through a wormhole and started taping "Desperate Housewives." I actually checked the channel guide to make sure it was still on "Lost."

The episode begins with the "Lost" eyeball, which is the only thing in the first few minutes that offers any clue we're watching "Lost." Longtime viewers already know what this eyeball business is all about, but for the "Lost" newbies, the "Lost" eyeball is a shot the crew uses from time to time that offers an intimate look at ... well, an eyeball. The very first shot in the very first episode was of Jack's eyeball. The very first shot in the very first episode of season two was of Desmond's eyeball. And, because the "Lost" producers are suckers for tradition, season three opens with a deep, dark look into another eyeball.

The eye belongs to a new character: she's a pretty blonde woman (played by Elizabeth Mitchell) in her mid-30s, and when we first see her she's selecting a CD from a shelf in her home and loading it into her CD player. Immediately this suggests that she's not on the island because, until now, the only A/V equipment we've seen has been a circa 1980 turntable in the hatch and a row of ancient Trinitrons in the Pearl.

The woman presses play on the CD player and the opening notes of "Downtown" float through her living room. She looks at herself in the mirror. She's clearly carrying a burden -- her eyes glisten with forming tears -- but she shakes her head, blinks away the tears and turns that frown upside down.

Shortly thereafter the woman scurries around her home preparing for a gathering. A smoke alarm sounds and she rushes to the stove to tend to a tray of burning muffins. Alas, she's too late. The muffins have been lost (season three's first casualty!). Before the woman can grieve over her charred confections, the doorbell rings. The blonde woman greets an elegant older woman (you can tell she's elegant because she's wearing one of those "elegant older women scarves" around her neck). Both women glance to the side of the house where a man is fiddling with pipes. Elegant lady guffaws, asking the blonde woman if her plumbing still hasn't been fixed (I'm assuming this isn't a euphemism). The working man -- who is unseen save for his lower legs -- offers a muffled response: "It's a work in progress."

The scene cuts inside the house and the blonde woman and the elegant woman have been joined by five other people: three middle-aged men and two women. As far as I can tell we haven't seen any of the men before, but one of the women resembles Mrs. Klugh from "Three Minutes" (she was the Ms. Cleo wannabe who worked her magic on Michael).

This is the point where I had to check my channel guide. The group of people we're watching isn't concocting an elicit scheme, nor are they engaging in any weird cultish behavior. Rather, they're meeting as a book club.

When we enter this book club scene, one of the members (his name is Adam) is in the midst of railing on the week's book selection. "It's popcorn," the amateur critic says. "There's no metaphor! it's by-the-numbers religious hokum-pocum. It's science fiction!"

Adam presses on, suggesting that the reason one particular book club member -- an unseen man named Ben -- isn't present is because the selection is a load of science fiction hoo-ha, and Ben wouldn't have anything to do with it.

"I know the host picks the book, but seriously Julie, he wouldn't read this in the damn bathroom," Adam says.

The camera moves to the blonde woman (whom we now know as Julie). Her jaw is tightly set and Adam's critique is clearly pissing her off. She levels her eyes and unloads a scathing retort, noting that the book in question is, in fact, her favorite book, and it pleases her to no end that anal-retentive Adam doesn't like it. The elegant woman looks on, bemused at the can of whup-ass Julie just opened on Adam.

As Julie takes a breath and prepares to lob another verbal volley at the now-stunned Adam, a deep rumble echoes through the house and the walls begin shake. Plates rattle! Glasses clink! The book club takes cover under the doorways (where are they, L.A.?), but the rumbling soon quiets. The group walks outside into the bright sunlight. Nearby neighbors also appear; everyone is curious as to what caused the big rumble.

And this is when it gets interesting.

As doors fly open and neighbors mill about, the unseen man who was tending to Julie's plumbing pops out from beneath the house. We see his face.

HOLY CRAP! IT'S ETHAN! EVIL ETHAN!

But before we can fully digest this stunning turn of events, another door flies open and out walks ...

SWEET ZEUS' THUNDERBOLT! IT'S HENRY GALE!

But before we can even begin to understand what's going on, the assembled cast all gazes skyward. Their eyes grow wide. The camera turns ...

And there, arcing across the sky, is Oceanic 815. A smoky jet-trail is spilling from the plane as it rumbles overhead.

BLAM!

The tail section snaps off and tumbles away from the fuselage! (If you look carefully, you can seen Ana-Lucia sneering in response).

BLAM!

Oceanic 815's front section screams toward land.

Henry Gale instantly springs to action.

"Goodwin!" he shouts.

MOTHER OF GOD, WE KNOW HIM TOO!

Goodwin runs toward Henry.

"You see where the tail landed?" Gale asks.

"Yeah, probably in the water," Goodwin says.

"You run, you can make that shore in an hour," Gale says, doing his best Samuel Gerard impersonation. Gale turns toward Ethan, who's standing nearby. "Ethan, get up there to that fuselage. There may actually be survivors ... and you're one of them. A passenger. You're in shock. Come up with an adequate story if they ask. Stay quiet if they don't. Listen. Learn. Don't get involved. I want lists in three days. GO!"

Ethan and Goodwin run off in separate directions. The tension slows down as the rest of the neighborhood mills about, kicking dirt and wondering why a jumbo jet just cracked up in their airspace. Henry and Julie are standing near one another. Henry sees a book in Julie's arms.

"So I guess I'm out of the book club," he says in his best Evil Henry Gale voice (the exact same voice he used while crunching cereal back in "The Whole Truth").

The camera pulls back from Henry and Julie. The shot widens and additional homes are visible. Pine trees and oak trees are seen, sprouting from manicured lawns and casting shade on walkways. The shot pulls back further and further, showing a circle of houses on a flat expanse of land ... and then the camera pulls back completely, and that's when we see that the entire community -- Dharma World or Hanso Land or whatever the hell it is -- is nestled safe and snug in a remote valley on a far side of ...

THE ISLAND.

And that's how Season 3 starts. Under normal circumstances I'd jump right into the next plot thread, but this massive revelation requires a bit of analysis. As always, if I miss something or make an egregious error, please post your thoughts/corrections in the comments area below.

In no particular order I present, A Few Thoughts About This Very Big, Very Astounding First Scene:

  • During one of the wide shots it's clear that Dharma World has at minimum 11 or 12 homes, probably more. Given the sizeable number of neighbors milling around, I'm guessing there are many additional homes we didn't see. It begs the question: How big is Dharma World?

  • I'm assuming that the rumbling sound that sent the book club diving for cover was the build-up of the electromagnetic pulse in the original hatch. You'll recall that Desmond let the hatch countdown computer cross the zero barrier when he followed Kelvin to the hidden sailboat ("Live Together, Die Alone"). When Des eventually returned, the hatch was in the early stages of a full-on meltdown. He averted disaster by typing in the code. However, the delay caused the electromagnetic burst that brought down Oceanic 815.

  • We learn later in this episode that Julie's full name is Juliet.

  • In other naming news, Henry Gale's real name is finally revealed: He is the aforementioned "Ben."

  • Ben and Juliet appear to have once been an item, but their love connection seems to have soured. When the Big Rumble first echoes through Dharma World, Ben is shown exiting from a separate house. In addition, Ben's absence from the book club appears to be part of an existing rift between Ben and Juliet, which is a shame because I really thought those crazy kids could make it work.

  • The Elegant Woman in the book club has to be an important character. Her knowing glances and esteemed status suggest she's a leader. At first I thought she might be Dharma co-founder Karen DeGroot, but her age doesn't seem to match up. Even if Karen DeGroot was in her 30s when Dharma was founded (I tend to think she was younger than that), she'd still only be in her mid-50s (30 years old in 1980 + 24 years later). Anyone got another suggestion?

  • Finally, the title of the book debated by the book club is never mentioned, but thanks to the glory of TiVo I was able to freeze-frame on the cover. The book is "Carrie" by Stephen King. Let the literary conjecture begin.
Now that I've got my due diligence out of the way, we can move on ...
Point 2
Jack

Juliet

Ben/Henry Gale

The splashy opening of this episode was a broad scene, but the majority of the premiere is actually quite character-driven and simple. The primary focus is on the current state of Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

Because our Island Doctor gets pissy when we don't acknowledge his alpha male dominance, we'll begin with Jack:

For most of this episode, Jack is in an aquarium.

You read that correctly.

Our intrepid doctor -- a man who's been to Phuket and back, a man who's performed miracles in the operating room -- is, at the beginning of season three, little more than a sputtering goldfish trapped in a giant, dried-out aquarium.

Of course, when we first see Jack we don't know he's in an aquarium. Neither does he. When the episode opens, Jack groggily wakes up from medicine-induced unconsciousness. He looks down and sees a band-aid stuck into the nook of his arm, and, being a trained medical professional in a presumably unsterile environment, he rips the band-aid off to reveal what looks like a needle wound.

Looking around, Jack sees a wide, tall, dark room. The walls are metal and concrete. A large industrial table is bolted into the center of the room. Above, a knot of chains dangles from the high ceiling.

Jack looks to his left and sees a button on the far end of the room. It's yet another mysterious Dharma button -- no directions, no clear utility -- but Jack is a man who pushes a button when he sees it (he's also a man who unlocks giant restraining doors, but we'll get to that in a minute). Jack runs toward the button.

SMACK!

Like a sparrow dive-bombing a window, Jack slams into a clear plastic wall. He spins backwards, confused and stunned (again, like a sparrow). Moving forward, he slides his hands along the plastic. Oh crap, he's trapped.

Jack's rage wells. He steps back and unloads a mighty kick to the wall.

Nothing happens.

He slams another massive kick into the plastic.

Nothing happens again. In fact, less happens this time than the first time. The wall doesn't even shake.

Jack turns his fury to the chains hanging above. He climbs up on the long table and tugs viscously at a dangling chain. The chain slams against its bolt. Jack pulls again, and again the chain slams without incident.

You see a theme here?

As Jack rages against the machine, a door opens in a room on the other side of the plastic window. Jack freezes as Juliet appears. She calmly walks toward a nearby table lined with electronic equipment (the primary piece of equipment resembles an audio production board -- lots of switches and buttons). Juliet slides a switch and a loudspeaker inside Jack's cell cracks to life.

"Can you hear me in there?" Juliet asks.

Jack, summoning the strength of 1,000 gorillas, grabs the chain and slams it against the ceiling. The chain holds. It's approved to handle 1,001 gorillas.

Juliet, remaining calm, asks Jack to come down from the table so they can talk.

"Tell me where my friends are!" Jack screams. "Tell me why my daddy didn't love me!"

(That second bit is implied in everything Jack says).

Juliet draws upon her vast reserves of patience and again asks Jack to get his friggin' ass down from the damn table. This time, Jack's retort comes squarely from left field.

"You think I'm stupid!?" Jack says.

And this is when I decided that Juliet kicks ass.

"I don't think you're stupid," she says. "I think you're stubborn."

Jack is momentarily phased. In the span of 30 seconds this woman has completely figured him out. Unfortunately, the clarity of the moment fades and rage again wells in Jack's system. He grabs and chain and continues slamming it against the bolt. Juliet leaves because she's got better things to do than force a civilized conversation out of a meathead doctor.

You know what I need right now? I need me some backstory.

CUE BACKSTORY SWOOSH!

Throughout this episode, as Jack paces his cell and pulls on that damn chain, we see intercut scenes from Jack's past illustrating the fallout from Sarah's abrupt departure (remember, Sarah left Jack at the end of "The Hunting Party" because, in her words, all he cared about was "fixing things," not loving her).

In this episode's backstory, we see/learn the following:

  • Jack can be a creepy dude. The backstory opens with Jack sporting five days of stubble and looking as haggard as a guy trapped in an aquarium. But he's not in an aquarium -- he's in his car, parked outside the school where Sarah works. It's recess and Jack can see Sarah walking around her preschoolers. She sidles up to a man -- presumably a co-worker -- and the two share a moment that suggests their relationship goes way beyond work. Lines of anger and betrayal crawl across Jack's face.
  • Later, Jack meets Sarah in an office building. The pair are in the final stages of their divorce. Jack has fired his lawyer and, when he first sees Sarah, he appears to try at a half-hearted reconciliation. He begins to apologize to her, but before he can get to the part where he admits he's an obnoxious control freak who needs to get over his Daddy issues, Sarah's cell phone rings. She excuses herself and takes the call nearby.

    Sarah, you see, is a colossal bitch.

    Jack can hear Sarah -- it's one of those situations where she's far enough away to claim she excused herself from Jack's presence, but she's also close enough for Jack to understand the gist of the conversation. Her placement in the room is intentional, and for that she deserves a second horrific car wreck.

  • Anyway, Sarah appears to be talking to her unnamed paramour. We know this because she giggles like a 13-year-old watching Leo in "Titanic." Jack doesn't like Leo or "Titanic," and he really doesn't like it when his soon-to-be-ex is talking to her Secret Lover while he's in the room. When Sarah snaps the phone shut and returns, Jack's apologetic mood has been replaced by anger. He demands to know the name of the man Sarah is seeing -- in fact, he downright pleads with her to tell him -- but just as it seems Sarah is about to cough up the goods, she grabs her purse and curtly walks out of the room.

  • Later, Jack is in his office at the hospital, sweet-talking someone on the phone. It's an uncomfortable situation because Jack's ability to sweet-talk is sorely lacking and, more importantly, it's clear that he's become a full-on stalker. Sitting on the desk in front of Jack is a cell phone bill with certain lines scratched out. Somehow, Jack has obtained Sarah's cell invoice and he's going through each and every number in an effort to find "Him."

    (Sidenote: How awesome would it be if Sarah's "Him" turns out to be the "Him" the Others are scared of?).

    Jack's Daddy walks in and sees the Jack is up to no good. He tells his son to let it go, but given the history between these two, Daddy's advice falls on deaf ears. Jack disregards his father and dials another number. At precisely this moment, Daddy's cell phone rings. A sheepish looks crosses Daddy's face and he shuts off the ringer.

    Dr. Daddy's cell phone number is on Sarah's bill.

    SON OF A BITCH! SON ... OF ... A ... BITCH!

    Is Dr. Daddy the man Sarah is seeing?

  • Jack is haunted by this thought. Later, he spots his father in the hospital hallway as he receives another call. Daddy is acting weird -- he's giddy and excited and when he finishes his conversation he gleefully snaps his cell phone shut.

    Moments later, Daddy leaves the hospital unaware that Jack -- who's still in his scrubs -- is following him. Daddy arrives at a hotel and makes his way toward an upper floor. Jack trails him and watches as he enters a room. Jack follows, turning a corner and whipping by a door with a sign that reads:

    "Friends of Bill W."

    Uhh, Jack? You might want to hold on there a second ...

    Jack rushes into the room to find a group of recovering alcoholics sitting in a circle, drinking coffee and waiting for their meeting to start. Daddy is shocked to see Jack, but Jack's rage prevents him from realizing that maybe, just maybe, he's got his facts mixed up.

    But facts never stopped Jack from having a good hissy fit, so that's exactly what he does in front of Daddy's group. The group leader -- a woman -- tells Jack that his father has shared lots of information about him. This does little to assuage Jack's anger (RAAAR! JACK MAD!). Struggling to defuse the tension, the group leader tells Jack that his father has been sober for 50 days. Again, no dice. Jack's anger is palpable.

    He looks at his father. "Wow, Dad," Jack says with mock sincerity. "I wonder what helped you turn that corner? Maybe it was ... a new lady friend?"

    Daddy snaps. "I will NOT let you talk to me like ..."

    Jack cuts him off. "I will NOT let you sleep with my wife," Jack snarls.

    Jack's words slice through Daddy's anger. Daddy's face softens and his eyes grow confused and concerned.

    Jack is wrong. Dead, dead wrong.

    "Jack ..." Daddy says softly.

    Jack turns to leave.

    "Jack, I'm your father," Daddy says more forcefully. "Jack, just let it go!"

    Jack spins and runs at Daddy like a safety targeting a receiver. He cracks Daddy in the chest and the two sprawl to the floor!

  • When the backstory picks back up, Jack is in jail. His fight with Daddy got him thrown in the hoosegow, and while you'd think this is about as bad a day as you can get, in a moment it'll get just a little bit worse for Jack.

    You see, Sarah bails him out.

    Jack exits the jail and sees Sarah in the hallway. Daddy called Sarah with news of Jack's incarceration, and she opted to spring him. But this is not a happy jailhouse reunion. She purses her lips and says she called him a cab.

    "So, uh ... goodbye," Sarah says, turning on her heel.

    Sarah rushes outside and Jack follows. And this is when Sarah reveals just how incredibly bitchy/callous/mean she really can be.

    Jack spots a man standing by a car on the other side of the street. Sarah is walking toward the man's vehicle.

    "Sarah!" Jack calls. She spins. "Is that him?" Jack asks, nodding toward the man.

    "What difference does it make?" Sarah asks, tears welling in her eyes.

    "I want to know! I need to know who he is!" Jack pleads.

    "No matter who he is," Sarah says, "It just matters who you're not."

    You can actually see Jack's pride break into pieces and shatter on the pavement. But Sarah isn't done!

    "Jack, your father, he called me to help you," Sarah says. "He was so drunk I could hardly understand him ..."

    Wait for it ... Waaaaaaait for it ...

    "Look at the bright side," Sarah says. "Now you have something to fix."

    That does it.

    "Go frak yourself, Sarah! I fixed you, you ungrateful teacher-whore!"

    Of course, that's what Jack would have said if he still had the ability to speak. As it stands, Sarah's vicious comment renders Jack completely useless. His ego, self-esteem and self-confidence join his pride on the street. Sarah has landed the death blow.

    And that's how the backstory ends!

We now returned to your regularly scheduled aquarium incarceration.

Later in the episode Jack hears a crackling noise coming from an ancient intercom unit located within his aquarium cell. It sounds like a voice is trying to talk to Jack, but static obscures the message. Jack presses the intercom's "Talk" button and says he can't hear the message.

For a brief moment, the static clears and a familiar voice comes through: "Let it go, Jack."

Whoa! That's Daddy's voice!

Suddenly, overhead lights snap on and the door in the adjacent room cracks open. Jack is dazed, both by the sound of his father's voice and by the reappearance of Juliet. She's carrying a tray with a grilled cheese sandwich and bottle of Dharma water (look carefully and you'll see the sandwich has a Dharma logo branded into it ... just kidding). The sandwich is garnished with toothpicks and a sprig of parsley -- no joke.

Juliet says the sandwich and water are for Jack, but he needs to follow protocol if he's going to get them. She instructs him to place his back on the far wall of the cell and remain there while she brings the food in from another door.

Jack is unmoved by her generosity. He tells Juliet that she and the guy who's trying to talk to him through the intercom can stick their sandwiches in a sack. Juliet is confused ... she tells Jack the intercom hasn't worked for years.

Jack shifts his gaze behind Juliet. He nods toward the red button on the far side of the wall and asks what it's used for. This is the same button Jack tried to reach earlier, but was stopped by the clear plastic wall.

"It's used for emergencies," Juliet says. Foreshadowing alert!

Jack turns and continues to pace in his cell. Juliet approaches the clear wall and opts for a different approach with Jack. She asks him what he does.

Jack continues to pace.

"I'm a repo man," he lies. "You know, when people don't pay their bills, I go in for the bank and I collect their possessions. I'm a people person so I really love it."

"Are you married?" Juliet asks with a smirk. She knows Jack is lying.

"No, I never saw the point," Jack snaps. "How about you? What's your job, besides making sandwiches?"

And this is when Juliet fully won me over.

"Oh, I didn't make it," she says casually. "I just put the toothpicks in."

Jack stops pacing as Juliet's joke pierces his Invincibility Forcefield.

Juliet sees an opportunity. She asks Jack where he was flying from when his plane crashed. His demeanor softens. He looks at Juliet and tells her he was flying from Sydney, bringing his dead Daddy home.

"I'm sorry," Juliet says.

"I'm sure you are," Jack says, his sarcasm welling up. "Thanks."

But Juliet isn't done. She puts her palm on the plastic wall.

"You can trust me, Jack. I'm not going to hurt you."

Jack moves toward the wall. He stoops down so his eyes are on the same level as Juliet's.

"What the hell is going on here?" he asks, desperate to know why he's been taken captive and who these freaky Others really are.

Juliet drops her eyes, seemingly unsure of what to do next. It's a look reminiscent of the opening when she blinked away tears.

She turns and slowly walks toward the door. Pausing at the entrance, she takes a bite of the sandwich and gazes back into the room. She doesn't make eye contact with Jack, but she seems to want to. Thinking better of it, Juliet leaves and softly closes the door behind her.

Oh I like this. I like this very much.

Juliet returns later with another plate of food (this time it's a lovely fruit plate). She tells Jack in no uncertain terms that the drugs he was given earlier -- the ones that knocked him out -- cause dehydration, headaches and hallucinations. Also, if he should experience priapism for more than four hours he should call ...

Wait. Wrong medicine. Sorry.

Jack looks up. "So you're a doctor, huh?" he asks.

Juliet, without missing a beat, has the perfect response. "No. I'm a repo woman."

Seriously. How can you not like this woman?

Juliet asks Jack, again, to simply sit with his back against the far wall so she can come in with the food. She tells him there are no strings attached. He doesn't have to answer questions, he doesn't have to talk. Moreover, she says she realizes what Jack is trying to do -- he thinks that if he gives in to anything, even something as simple as eating, he's giving in completely.

Juliet's logic is flawless. Jack relents and moves slowly to the far wall and sits.

Juliet thanks Jack, exits the room and walks down a hallway toward the aquarium's door. Jack watches intently as the lever to the door of his aquarium cell slides open.

Juliet takes a step in.

Jack lunges for the door! The fruit plate shatters as Jack spins Juliet and slams her on the long table in the middle of the room. He grabs a tazer/shooter weapon tucked into the back of Juliet's pants and chucks it across the room. He picks up a large shard of broken plate and holds it to Juliet's throat.

"Which way out?" he growls. Jack clutches Juliet as the two back into the hallway through the open aquarium door. He spots a heavy door with a spinning wheel at the far end of the hall. He orders Juliet to open it.

Juliet, despite having a shard of dinnerware pressed to her jugular, refuses. She says that if they open that door, they both die.

"Open it!" Jack shouts.

A man's voice sounds from the opposite end of the hallway. "She's right, Jack."

Jack spins with Juliet. His eyes pop as he sees Henry Gale/Ben!

"I'll kill her!" Jack says.

Ben, in a move that proves he's a vindictive son of a bitch with ice in his veins, doesn't flinch. "Okay," Ben says without blinking. "Have her open the door and she dies anyway."

In this next bit, Jack displays the full depth of his meatheadedness. He shoves Juliet away and turns back toward the door. Grabbing the spinning handle, he pulls with all his strength and the door begins to creak. Ben looks at Juliet then turns and darts toward a door down the hall. Juliet follows, but Ben slams the door in her face, shutting her out.

Jack unlocks the door and grabs the handle. He starts to pull, but the thing on the other side of the door really wants to get in, so he doesn't have to pull much at all.

Uh. Oh.

A deep rumble grows louder. Jack backs up.

A huge surge of water bursts through the door and floods the hallway! Jack and Juliet are spun like toy boats. Juliet flails toward the room adjacent to the aquarium. She calls for Jack. He sputters toward her and together then push a heavy metal door against the water.

"Press the button!" she yells. Jack struggles toward the red emergency button and slaps it. A heavy pump activates as water is sucked from the room. Jack moves to turn back toward Juliet, but she stops his advance with a killer right hook that knocks Jack unconscious. Juliet lifts him and keeps his head aloft as water drains from the room.

Later, Jack comes to in the aquarium cell. The room is dry and he is too. Juliet is sitting at the equipment table in the adjacent room -- the two are again separated by the plastic partition. Juliet is paging through a thick folder filled with papers.

"We're underwater, aren't we?" Jack asks, noting the obvious.

Juliet confirms his adept conclusion (it takes an awful lot to slide one past 'ol Jack!). This is when Jack realizes he's in an aquarium -- a big aquarium, like the kind used for dolphins and sharks.

"Is this one of their stations?" Jack asks, digging for dirt on the Dharma Initiative.

"They called it the Hydra," Juliet responds calmly.

"So you people are just ... whatever's left over of them," Jack says.

Juliet's face grows somber. "Well, that was a long time ago," she says. "It doesn't matter who we were. It only matters who we are."

Juliet looks down at the file. "We know exactly who you are, Jack Shephard."

She proceeds to run down Jack's Greatest Hits: He's a spinal surgeon based out of St. Sebastian's hospital in L.A.; he went to Columbia (the university, not the country); he graduated from medical school a year faster than anyone else; he was married once and contested the divorce; his father died in Sydney and Juliet knew this before Jack told her because she's got a copy of the autopsy report.

Who are these people?

Jack looks at the folder sitting in front of Juliet. He asks if it contains information on his friends and family. Juliet says it does.

Jack is dazed. There's one thing he needs to know. One very important thing.

Of course, we're led to believe that this one important thing is the name of the man Sarah is with. But we're wrong.

Jack leans on the table and hangs his head.

"Do you know about my ex-wife?"

"Sarah," Juliet says. "Yes, Jack. We know all about her. What would you like to find out?"

"Is she ... is she happy?" Jack asks.

"Yes, Jack," Juliet says. "She's very happy."

Jack weeps. He's officially lost it. Juliet, seeing that Jack's armor has finally been tossed aside, asks him if she can bring him food without him going apeshit on her. "Can I trust you, Jack?" she asks.

Jack nods a slow "yes."

Juliet takes a breath and asks him to move against the wall ("It puts the lotion in the basket. IT ... PUTS ... THE LOTION ... IN THE BASKET!")

Juliet leaves the room. Outside she turns to see Ben standing in the hallway, his arms pinned to his sides and his face set in that creepy Henry Gale expression.

"Good work, Juliet," he says.

"Thank you, Ben," she responds, launching a thousand tiny daggers with her eyes.

And with that, Jack's segment concludes.

Point 3
Kate

Ben/Henry Gale

Zeke/Mr. Friendly

The two other captives, Kate and Sawyer, had considerably less to do this week.

We'll start with Kate.

Kate, like Jack, begins the episode unconscious. She wakes up to the sound of a high-pressure shower pounding a tile floor. Looking around, she sees she's in some sort of locker room. She looks up and spots Zeke (a.k.a Mr. Friendly, a.k.a The Formerly Bearded Other) standing against a nearby wall. He greets her with a hearty "Hi Kate!" then tells her to take a shower.

Kate is confused, and a little creeped out. Zeke guides her toward a fresh towel, shampoo and soap, but Kate is unconvinced. "I'm not showering in front of you," she snaps.

Zeke cracks up. "You're not my type," he laughs, walking out of the locker room.

Kate, seeing that she's really got no other options, strips down and scrubs up. When she finishes, she wraps herself in the towel and pads over to a locker where her clothes were stored. But there's a problem ... the clothes aren't there.

A nearby locker is open. A piece of masking tape is slapped across the door with the words "Wear These" scrawled across it. Kate peers in and sees ...

A sun dress?

Realizing that her sartorial choices are between a Dharma towel or a new dress, she opts for the dress. Putting it on, she takes a moment to look at herself in the mirror. It's the first time we've seen Kate in a dress; I don't think anyone would have a problem if we saw more of this type of thing.

Alas, the moment soon ends as Zeke returns with Dharma henchmen in tow. The group marches Kate outside and guides her toward a nearby beach. Moving through the seaside brush, Kate stops dead in her tracks when the water comes into view.

There, sitting at a cloth-covered table, is Ben ("the artist formerly known as Henry Gale," to steal Sawyer's line). The table is covered in breakfast food: coffee, fruit, eggs, juice, a McGriddle here and there. The set-up looks like a reward challenge from "Survivor."

Zeke pushes Kate toward the table. She apprehensively sits down opposite Ben. Zeke and his boys depart, leaving Kate and Ben alone on the beach.

Kate notices a pair of handcuffs resting near her plate. Ben tells her to put them on, but Kate resists, asking him what he'll do if she doesn't comply.

"Then you won't get any coffee!" Ben chirps.

Kate snaps the cuffs into place, but Ben catches on to her not-so-clever ploy. "A little tighter, please," Ben says. Kate clicks the cuffs shut.

She asks Ben what's happened to Sawyer and Jack. Ben huffs in amusement.

"Now why Sawyer?" he asks, noting that she inquired about him first.

Kate doesn't respond, instead turning her attention to the meal in front of them. She wants to know why she's been brought here -- what's with the breakfast on the beach and the dress? Ben says the dress is to remind her what it feels like to be a lady. The meal is to remember what it's like to be civilized. The beach is meant to provide comfort in knowing that her friends are looking upon the same ocean.

Ben summons his most evil Henry Gale look.

"I did all those things so that you'd have something nice to hold on to" ... DRAMATIC PAUSE ... "Because, Kate, the next two weeks are going to be very unpleasant."

BWAHAHAHAAHA!

Ben rises and leaves. Kate paws at a McGriddle and wonders how she's going to get out of this mess.

Point 4
Sawyer

Zeke/Mr. Friendly

Juliet

And finally, we come to Sawyer.

Sawyer, oddly enough, wakes up in a bear cage.

No joke. He's outside, confined in a cage that was once used to hold bears (presumably, polar bears, but that's not confirmed). The cage is located behind a multi-story building. A second bear cage stands about 10-15 feet away. The area is lined with overgrown trees and the grounds resemble a post-apocalyptic Busch Gardens.

Inside his cage, Sawyer spots a series of gizmos: a lever hangs from the top of the cage, a foot pedal is built into the ground on the opposite wall, and a big red button stenciled with a fork and knife is in the middle of the cell. Sawyer presses the button and a woman's recorded voice barks "Warning!" Sawyer, unimpressed, presses the button again. The warning sounds, but this time it's accompanied by a buzzing noise. Sawyer moves to press the button a third time ...

"I wouldn't do that."

Sawyer spins and sees a young man/teenager sitting with his back toward him in the other bear cage. (This is a new character.)

"I want your advice, I'll ask for it," Sawyer quips.

Sawyer smacks the button. A bright electric current hurls Sawyer through the air. He slams against the cage and crumples to the ground.

"Told you," the other prisoner snarks.

Later, Sawyer catches on to the inner workings of the bear cage. In order to get food, he needs to press the foot pedal, push the button and pull the lever. But there's a problem -- he can't reach all of the doo-dads. As he ponders the bear puzzle, the kid in the other cage asks him how long it would take to get back to the Oceanic camp.

"What, you talking to me now, Chachi?" Sawyer asks, then turns back to his levers.

The kid continues, wanting to know about the people from Oceanic 815.

"Oh they're just awesome," Sawyer says. "Last one of you that came to visit got tortured by an Iraqi ... he tortured me too, but hell, he don't know any better!"

Sawyer turns back toward the other cage. He face drops. The kid has escaped.

Sawyer looks around and the kid suddenly appears in front of him. The kid unlocks Sawyer's cage and points him toward a path around the multi-story building. Sawyer darts along a tall fence and then scurries into a clearing.

"Hey."

Sawyer turns and sees Juliet. He's confused: should he run or ask her out?

Juliet takes a step forward, reaches behind her back and grabs a weapon. She cracks a dart directly into Sawyer's neck -- it's the same type of dart used in the season two finale, and the weapon is the same one Jack finds when he jumps Juliet in the aquarium. The drugs in the dart drop Sawyer to the ground. He convulses and loses consciousness.

Moments later, Zeke and two of his henchmen drag Sawyer back to the bear cage and drop him on the dirt floor. Sawyer sputters to life and watches as Zeke slams the teenage boy's head against the bars of Sawyer's cage.

"Say it, Carl," Zeke says.

"I'm sorry I involved you in my breakout attempt," the kid (Carl) says. With that, the henchmen haul Carl off to an undisclosed location (they don't put him back in the other cage). Juliet and Zeke leave Sawyer to continue pondering the bear puzzle.

Sawyer finally cracks the puzzle at the end of the episode. He slides a rock through the cage bars, positions it on the foot pedal, presses the big food button and then tosses his boot at the hanging lever. Marching music rings from the speaker. "Reward! Reward!"

As rewards go, this one sucks.

A big fish-shaped Dharma cracker slides down a food chute, followed by a load of grain. A water hose sputters to life and fills a nearby trough.

As Sawyer slurps from the hose, Zeke and his henchmen lead Kate (who's still wearing the dress) into the other cage. Sawyer spins, thrilled to see Freckles ... and even more thrilled to see her in that dress.

Zeke takes Kate's handcuffs off and notices that the cuffs chewed into her wrists. He offers to bring her antiseptic later.

"How 'bout you bring me an ottoman?" Sawyer says. "While you're at it, I could use a blow dry."

"Hey!" Zeke says, noticing Sawyer's food reward. "You got yourself a fish biscuit! How'd you do that?"

"I figured out your complicated gizmos, that's how," Sawyer says, beaming with pride.

"Only took the bears two hours!" Zeke laughs as he walks off.

Sawyer is wounded. "How many of them were there?" he asks. Zeke doesn't answer.

Sawyer looks at Kate. Her lip quivers, but Sawyer knows how to cheer Freckles up.

"I requested that cage," Sawyer says, pointing at Kate's cell. Kate smiles.

Sawyer compliments Kate on the dress, which is appropriate since she looks uncommonly good given the recent kidnapping and that breakfast interlude with Ben. Sawyer asks if she's hungry. She nods. He leans out from the bars and tosses his partially eaten fish biscuit to Kate. She catches it and chomps a gill. "Mmmm, that's terrific bass!"

And with that, the season three premiere comes to a close.

Point 5
Island I'll conclude with a few random questions/thoughts:
  • Despite an exciting look into the inner workings of Dharma World, we still don't know why the Others hand-picked Jack, Kate and Sawyer. Is it because they're potential leaders? Are they the biggest threats? Or, do the Others see the possibility of a Borg-like assimilation into the Other Collective? (While Sawyer is fond of reading, I can't really picture him in the Dharma book club.)

  • Jack's conversation with Juliet hinted at an "end" to the Dharma Initiative. Juliet says that it all happened a "long time ago." So, does this mean the Initiative is defunct? Or, are the Others simply a splinter group? If the Initiative is over, why does the Hanso Foundation continue to send food supplies to the island?

  • When the episode first opened I thought Juliet was actually Penny Widmore (Desmond's lost love) and I know there will be suggestions that the two characters are the same person. That is not the case. Juliet is played by Elizabeth Mitchell. Penny is played by Sonya Walger.

  • I might have missed her, but I don't remember seeing Alex in any of the Other neighborhood shots. Was she there?

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"The Glass Ballerina" -- Sayid's scheme to find Jack puts Sun and Jin in the crosshairs of bad stuff. Airs: Wednesday, October 11, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on October 5, 2006 1:21 PM |




Finally. Mac is back. I haven't read the complete key points yet, but I am so overjoyed that you are back.

This has been a religion for me ever since season 1. Watch LOST. Wait... check filmfodder LOSTblog... still nothing... check again... WOOHOOOO! It's there!

WGNABB

Then came RSS-feeds and things got better. (somehow the RSS-feed doesn't seem to work at this moment)

I can't wait to see what's next, but I know it's gonna be awesome.

#1. Posted by: SnakeJake at October 5, 2006 1:45 PM

I hearby dub the leader of the Others "Benry".

#2. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 5, 2006 1:50 PM

I second "Benry." That's brilliant!

#3. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 1:54 PM

As everyone else has said, thank you so much Mac. I LOVE reading your reviews (and yes, that was me shouting).

Just an interesting connection between the book club selection and Season 2. When Lock gave HG/Ben a book to read while he was being held captive in the armory, HG said, "What, no Stephen King?". I'm sure that can't be a coincidence.

#4. Posted by: Amy at October 5, 2006 1:55 PM

I can sum up the review in three words:
SWEET ZEUS' THUNDERBOLT!

Nice recap, Mac.

#5. Posted by: junger at October 5, 2006 1:58 PM

One thing wrong in my opinion with the recap...In the flashback with Jack going through Sarah's cellphone list. When Jack's Dad's cellphone rings, it is not Sarah, but rather Jack. Jack was calling all the numbers on the list and he noticed that his Dad's phone rang when he called that number so he knew he had talked with Sarah recently.

#6. Posted by: Michael at October 5, 2006 2:02 PM

@Michael -- Excellent point. I was wondering how the logistics of that scene worked. Thanks for the clarification, I'll make a change in the review. -- mac

#7. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 2:04 PM

The elegant old lady in the beginning is played by Julie Adams and her name is Amelia. Old spoiler hounds like me know this stuff. :P

Alex wasn't in the episode. Nor was Pickett or Ms Klugh.

And I would be happy if you would refer to "Zeke" as "Tom" from now on, because that's his name. And isn't he just an awesome bastard?

But wait till you see Pickett in the next episode. I saw the CTV preview. Mmm, I love him! :D

#8. Posted by: Remus Lupin at October 5, 2006 2:05 PM

Anyone ever notice that Jack is ALWAYS wrong when it comes to important things? In this episode alone, he is wronmg about his Dad and Sarah and the Door that he was told not to open. In the past, he is wrong about Henry Gale, he was wrong about Sawyer having Shannon's asthma meds, he's wrong about Michael... it goes on and on! he should just learn to NOT trust his instincts!
Great review, Mac, it's great to have you back!

#9. Posted by: Sarah at October 5, 2006 2:07 PM

OMG! This opener just blew my mind! I guess the aquarium explains the "Dharma brand" shark that's swimming around out there! I wonder what the life span of a Dharma shark is? 100 years like Joop?

Excellent recap Mac!

#10. Posted by: Jake3841 at October 5, 2006 2:09 PM

Well summer is now offically over now that Lost is back on and Mac's reviews are back (Who cares about that silly Autumnal Equinox saying summer's done).

My wife brought up a point that Juliet looks very similar to Jack's ex wife Sara.

Also how do these people have all this information / dosier about all the people who survived flight 815?? CIA or worse?

Keep up the great work Mac, it's good to be back!

#11. Posted by: Kalico at October 5, 2006 2:10 PM

"It puts the lotion in the basket" I am still laughing at that one. A great quote from Silence of the Lambs.

I also thought that she was Penny. Wasn't there a spoiler somewhere that said a few things that actually happened...Sawyer being kept in a cage, Jacks Dad sleeping with Jack's wife (even though this was only suggested)?

#12. Posted by: meg at October 5, 2006 2:16 PM

Oh, one more thing for now..the song "Downtown" that Juliet was listening to, wasn't it similar to the song Desmond was listening to when the scene opened last season with him on the bike working out? Is it the same artist? I forgot who sings it.

#13. Posted by: meg at October 5, 2006 2:19 PM

wasn't jack making a b-line to the open door on the opposite side of his cage and not to the button when he face-planted into the plexiglass?

#14. Posted by: jraw at October 5, 2006 2:23 PM

Mac,
Great to have you and your blog back. I can stop going through withdrawals now.


One small note:

When Jack was dialing the numbers in his office and Dad walked in, Jack dialed one of the numbers on the list and Dad's cell phone rang. It wasn't Sarah calling, it was Jack.

#15. Posted by: sharkkiller69 at October 5, 2006 2:23 PM

Jraw - I also thought Jack was heading for the open door, not the button.

Here's a question for anyone with Tivo: when Sarah was walking away from Jack at the lawyer's office (or wherever they were), was she smiling? Maybe not, but both my husband and I thought it looked like she was. More proof of her evilness!

#16. Posted by: Amy at October 5, 2006 2:25 PM

Thank you, Mac - your reviews are the best.

I must preface this by saying that Lost is one of my Top 5 favorite shows of all-time, and that I am absolutely obsessed.

Now ... I was extremely disappointed by this episode. Except for the brilliant opening scene, everything else was just felt so melodramatic & empty to me.

I was 100% convinced that the flashback would belong to Henry Gale (he will never be Ben to me). How could it not? Instead, we got another look into Jack's past ... and, umm, it didn't really give us any new information about him, except that he is a creepy stalker, and that some of those scenes with Sara belonged on the Lifetime channel. We already knew Sara left him for another guy. We already knew his father was an alcoholic. The scene in the hotel at the AA meeting? Wow, just awful. And the worst line of the night, by far, goes to Sarah: "Well, on the bright side, now you have somebody to fix," or whatever the hell she said. Yuck.

Kate's scenes were mildly more interesting. Clearly, she was treated the best - I kind of liked the whole beach/breakfast part with Gale, with her in the sundress, and the "normal" food & all that stuff.

As for Sawyer -- ummm, nothing happened! He was in that cage that entire episode! What was the point? I don't get it.

And that Juliet chick -- yeah, she's pretty cute. But I thought they forced her character a little bit too much. The back & forth banter with Jack was just so incredibly forced that I could not take it seriously. I'm sorry. And all that information she has about Jack? I'm assuming we'll find out about it -- maybe the guy who was seeing Sarah is on the island too?

Lastly, I am disappointed that we saw nothing of Locke, or Desmond, or Eko, or Sayid ... yada yada. Remember, those characters that made this show grat? How do you have a season premiere of Lost without Locke? Absolutely dumfounding.

Now, obviously I am going to stick with the show for the rest of the season, and I have hope that things will improve ... but to be honest, I think the writers have bitten off more than they can chew.

#17. Posted by: Mike NYC at October 5, 2006 2:28 PM

OK, I see Michael brought up my point while I was typing my comment. Sorry about that.


#18. Posted by: sharkkiller69 at October 5, 2006 2:28 PM

I must be crazy because nobody on any of the msg boards seems to have noticed this but...

Didn't the guy who is waiting for Sarah at the jail (presumably her lover) look a lot like Henry/Ben/Benry? It would be a bit weird, but stranger things have happened on the show. Nobody seems to be talking about him. Anybody have a screen cap? Been trying to get one, but lost-media.com is really slow today.

#19. Posted by: Asher at October 5, 2006 2:29 PM

Asher - I did not notice a resemblence at all between Sarah's new man and HG. I thought the new man's hair was much darker, he seemed younger and his facial features were way different.

#20. Posted by: Amy at October 5, 2006 2:31 PM

Great stuff Mac. Good to have you back.
One more thought you didn't touch on. It looks as if the cage that housed Sawyer were for the polar bears seen on the island and this is where they came from. Also, the aquarium is probably where the shark lived that was seen in the ocean with the Dharma logo in the episode "Adrift".

#21. Posted by: KoppyKat at October 5, 2006 2:33 PM

Mike NYC, Yes, I kind of agree with you. I was floored in the first few minutes of the show, but nothing else intrigued me. It seems obvious that the girl is supposed to win the affections of Jack, and we have read that in many spoilers. The flashbacks were nothing new, except for now the dislike of Sarah that is starting.
If the show is falling, and I hope it isn't, I am going to reserve judgement for the meantime.

#22. Posted by: meg at October 5, 2006 2:33 PM

Welcome back Mack. Great post as always. That first scene threw me as well. Glad your posts are back, now all will be well, at least until May

#23. Posted by: Gerard at October 5, 2006 2:35 PM

I thought it was cool that she was reading Carrie. Carrie and telekenetic powers much like Walt does. Wierd.

#24. Posted by: Dimitri at October 5, 2006 2:38 PM

BTW, I love these reviews, started reading them last season and have been hooked ever since.

I just realized all 3 of them were in animal cages(bear cage and an aquarium). I would like to know where on the island all this stuff is located, seems it has to be close to the coast since Juliet walked away from Jack and tazered Sawyer. So they are not far apart and I would assume the "aquarium" is underwater at the coast.

#25. Posted by: Michael at October 5, 2006 2:41 PM

No one mentioned that Kate's wrists were all raw and cut from the handcuffs......seems like the result of a struggle

Hi Fred

#26. Posted by: Who Dis? at October 5, 2006 2:45 PM

Wasn't Carl (the kid in the jail) the same kid fixing Juliet's plumbing in the beginning of the ep?

Is coffee so great that Kate would put handcuffs on just cause Ben/Henry Gale asked?

How does Jack not know his own dad’s cell phone number?

Could Juliet really knock Jack out with one punch?

Paper plates, woman! Paper plates! Never give a "hostage" glass plates!

#27. Posted by: Connie at October 5, 2006 2:47 PM

It was just dissapointing after the first 5 minutes. Mainly because they have so many different storylines they need to address right now. Watching Jack's struggle is not what people are interested in at this point.

We want to know what happened to Echo/Desmond/Locke...We want to know where Michael and Walt went off to... We want to know what is going on with Jin/Sun on the boat...We want to know about Penny and what they are looking for.

There are just so many other interesting storylines that are better than what was shown last night. They really need to have a season premier 2 hours long.

#28. Posted by: Michael at October 5, 2006 2:48 PM

thanks a loads mac you made my night i can sleep now was w8ting for your review since morning :) this is the only way i can keep up with lost. thanks a millions keep up the good work:). w8ting for the next episode review you rock on:)

#29. Posted by: abhi at October 5, 2006 2:51 PM

I was happy with this episode. I think the first "chunk" will probably focus on this Kate/Sawyer/Jake storyline, then when it comes back in February focus more on eveyone else.

Sal's nice

#30. Posted by: Who Dis? at October 5, 2006 2:51 PM

Great review- GREAT season opener! I couldn't have imagined a better way to kick off S3- It was off the hook. Why are there so many negative reviews floating around the net? It was a great way to begin...the look into the "Others" way of life was just brilliant...and by the way, Stephen King must have gone mental from the tribute...he's a huge LOST fan! Keep it up Mac!

#31. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at October 5, 2006 2:55 PM

Anyone got any clues as to how the cuffs chewed into Kate's wrists? It couldnt have been from just having them on. And she looked alot more upset being led into the cage than she did on the beach. And she isn't really a cryer either. Something must have happened between the beach and the cage.

#32. Posted by: Melissa at October 5, 2006 2:57 PM

Maybe she is 'someone's' type? I hate to think that but you're right, something major happened to her.

#33. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 5, 2006 2:59 PM

Absolutely wonderful! I, too, thought it was Penny in the beginning, especially when the song started playing. The song was when I was certain that I was watching the right show (I thought it was a flashback, tho)!!

I'm so glad you mentioned how much you like Juliet, because I was almost feeling guilty for liking an Other so much!

I understand why some would want the characters to be named appropriately, but Zeke will always be Zeke to me!

I'd also like to note that it was very un-Sawyer like for him to give the Dharma fish food to Kate. When he did that, I thought it spoke VOLUMES of his feelings for her!

So happy that the season has finally started and that I can get such a humorous review the next day!! Thanx Mac! :D

#34. Posted by: Paula at October 5, 2006 3:04 PM

It seemed like the writers really wanted us to believe that it was Jack's father who was having the affair with his wife.

I mean why not have him say "Are you crazy, you think I did what!" as oppossed to "Let it go" ?

And what was with that guy Sarah was canoodling with at school in the beginning. Was he same guy outside the jail?


Hi Richard

#35. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at October 5, 2006 3:05 PM

hookedonlost - i was thinking the same thing. since (YUCK) they seem to like babies so much..
I'd like to see Sawyer kick some Other butt if they hurt Kate.

#36. Posted by: Melissa at October 5, 2006 3:06 PM

First to MAC: I can't tell you how great it is to have you back, this one was a doozie and you recaped it perfectly, as always, so thank you for that.

Second all I can say on the opener is OMG!!

Third to Remus Lupin, loved your views, and if Lost and Potter are your two big passions, drop me a line, I think we might have a lot to chat about! :)

#37. Posted by: Mudblood at October 5, 2006 3:09 PM


Glad to have the show -- and your expert recaps -- back. But a couple of points that probably don't ammount to much...

That was rosemary on the sandwich plate, not parsley.

And it's been mentioned elsewhere, but the Petula Clark CD was in the jewelbox of Talking Heads' "Speaking in Tounges."

(And actually, the CD shown was identified as a Son Volt CD, for what it's worth.)

#38. Posted by: bill p at October 5, 2006 3:15 PM

Mac,

I missed you reviews almost as much as I missed the show. Want to point out a strange coincidence, although given this show it my be on purpose. The person who actually wrote the song "Downtown" was a man named Tony Hatch.

Sam

#39. Posted by: Sam at October 5, 2006 3:15 PM

Obviously that song "Downtown" was used for a reason. My thought? Juliet and Benry recently broke up because she's not to into this whole thing, like Benry is (Maybe he's taken this experiment to the next level and she's not down with that). Anyway, she misses life back on the mainland. Her spirit is renewed by Jack. I read somewhere that Jack is given some kind of offer by the Others. I wonder if it has something to Juliet?

#40. Posted by: fuber at October 5, 2006 3:24 PM

Just think how proud the Salingers would be to see both boys grow up to be doctors?

#41. Posted by: justathought at October 5, 2006 3:24 PM

Re: Connie's comment... Yes. Yes, coffee is worth putting handcuffs on. If I hadn't had coffee for xx days I would've slapped those suckers on real quick.

Also, we pretty much surmised this at the end of season 2, but it's clear for sure now that the Others had no idea the plane was going to crash.

No way in hell one or two people could push the door closed on the flooding water. I know those are the things that we must accept 'cos it's a TV show, but that one was pretty extreme in its unrealism.

I think Jack is the One who the Others think can modify the Valenzetti equation (the numbers). (Check out the film inserted in Mac's last pre-season post to see what I mean.) Now Jack *really* has something to fix - the human race.

Wonder if the cage break was staged. What are the odds he breaks free shortly after Sawyer gets there?

Think of all the things that the Others must have delivered to them to keep their 'neighborhood' that nice - lawn mowers, weed-eaters, fuel for lawn mowers and weed-eaters, CDs and electronics, nice clothes, books... (Maybe they have TiVo ; ) My point is, if distribution is this easy or regular, then it makes sense that they have the means to leave the island if they want. But they don't? Why? Do they think they're infected?

Many more thoughts, but I'll save 'em...

#42. Posted by: JR at October 5, 2006 3:27 PM

Jack's giving up information was lame riiiiiiight? He should've held her hostage and kept her for ransom of 25 dimes riiiiiight? 25 dimes that's gangsta for 25,000 riiiiight?

#43. Posted by: Elegant Elliott Often at October 5, 2006 3:28 PM

@Bill P -- I never could differentiate my garnish ;) Thanks for the correction on the rosemary.

@Sam -- You know, when I found that link to "Downtown" I thought the very same thing. Coincidence? Hmmmm.

-- mac

#44. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 3:28 PM

"Jack, summoning the strength of 1,000 gorillas, grabs the chain and slams it against the ceiling. The chain holds. It's approved to handle 1,001 gorillas. "

--Mack thats funniest line you've ever written. Absolutly brilliant!!!

#45. Posted by: jo at October 5, 2006 3:31 PM

Meg: "Downtown" by Petula Clark; "Make Your Own Kind of Music" Mama Cass Elliott (per Wikipedia)

Possible link: Juliet and Libby-sisters?
(Maybe that was why Sawyer froze when he saw her, momentary confusion)

Kate's wrists cut from being pulled/dragged by the handcuffs, which would then cut into the skin. Her dress did not seem dirty so not that great a theory.

Maybe 'Carrie' is Juliet's favorite book because she gets her revenge on all the bullies at the end?

#46. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 5, 2006 3:32 PM

Mac -

So glad the new season has started... i've been watching the clock all day waiting for 2pm to get here to read your review - and as usual you did NOT disappoint!

Great review!

#47. Posted by: Toni at October 5, 2006 3:33 PM

Brilliant show. The opening blew my mind - but so much of it seemed to talk to different theories of psychology, captivity, etc. And yes - now we know where the dharma shark came from. The whole thing is like Pleasantville but 100 times creepier. Ugh.

#48. Posted by: MissT at October 5, 2006 3:33 PM

It seemed a little strange to me that Juliet was present so quickly upon sawyers escape attempt. Especially with the degree of time she took with Jack. She was the frst one to reach Sawyer, in fact. I think I would be dissapointed if there were "multiples".

Also, I don't suppose Carl was also a survivor. Perhaps one of the younger kids abducted in Season 1?

#49. Posted by: sand at October 5, 2006 3:34 PM

Great review Mac. Your reviews make Thursday much more interesting.

Two points:
1. I also thought that the man outside of the jail looked like Henry Gale

2. Does anyone else wonder if Jack's "file" was nothing but a bunch of blank papers. Was there anything in there that he hasn't mentioned to at least someone on the island? Maybe it is more that the Others are keen observers with perhaps a bugging system than omniscient.

#50. Posted by: aecookie at October 5, 2006 3:34 PM

Wouldn't have been cool - if they did the first 30 days from the "OTHERS" point of view?!? Kind of like they started last season?
That's what I was hoping for - the first 5 minutes were excellent!
ALSO, Jack definitely spied the wifey being very close to the guy in the school yard (co-worker, dad of a child?) WHY DID HE GO so bonkers on his dad? That was a bummer.
Will stick with it for sure - but really was not blown away by the entire episode. Your recaps and everyone's comments really make it a worthy way to spend time though!
THANKS!

#51. Posted by: Chehree at October 5, 2006 3:37 PM

I think that Tom (a.k.a. Zeke, aka Mr. Friendly) looks horribly like Jack's dad. Maybe the Others who are Dharma workers cloned Jack's Dad, but gave him a different name, maybe to avoid confusion. That I guess would make sense, since Julie has Shepard's autopsy report. Just a guess.

#52. Posted by: Mr. Cube` at October 5, 2006 3:39 PM

Three more thoughts: If Kate thought she had no choice in putting the handcuffs (a reasonable assumption) then she would put them on.

I too disbelieved any two people forcing back the OCEAN from flooding in but what are ya gonna do? Drown two characters?

Also the info Juliet gave Jack was fairly generic. He's a doctor,(from Ethan), he graduated from Columbia and works at St. Sebastian (Check your local hospital's website for info on the staff), divorce proceedings (public record?), father died in Sydney (foreigner dies in Australia, local newspaper). She made up the part about Sarah being happy knowing it would crush Jack.

#53. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 5, 2006 3:46 PM

the guy fixin juliets pluming was ethan rom, also Juliet referred to the red button as the ''Yellow buton'' is she colour blind?

#54. Posted by: maestr06 at October 5, 2006 3:46 PM

Hey guys, this is my first time posting. I just keep hitting the refresh button on my work computer and now can't resist...

I'm really interested in the book club scene (seeing as the first 10 minutes of the show was the part that impressed me the most). What does it mean when the one guy says 'Carrie' is religious mumbo jumbo and science fiction is just as bad and Benry would probably deficate on rather than read it, and he probably wouldn't even grant it that honor. For all of the stuff Dharma does...I don't know...I'm really curious about their distain towards either organized religion, science fiction, or both, and why is Juliet such an advocate of it?

PS
would anybody else be totally thrilled if Kate and Sawyer hook up. I like them together WAY more than Jack and Kate

PPS
Juliet is badass

#55. Posted by: obsessed at October 5, 2006 3:47 PM

Welcome Back Mac!, I agree 100% with your assesment of Sarah. I am however getting more and more frustrated with the lack of questioning by the prisoners. Why aren't they all saying What the "F" is going on here? What gives you the right. I know they have to drag it out but it is not normal human behavior to wait patiently for answers

#56. Posted by: DLostinBoston at October 5, 2006 3:48 PM

Welcome back, Mac. I've missed your wrap-ups almost as much as the show itself.

That said, did anyone notice Juliet's reference to "free will" during her riff on Adam? Is that somehow significant?

And what about "the name" of the guy Sarah was with after Jack. Think that's going to have a connection elsewhere in the season?

And, yeah -- Who ARE these people???

jraw - amazing catch on the cell phone call!

#57. Posted by: Kate at October 5, 2006 3:49 PM

I had lots of problems with this episode:
1. Why didn't Jack's dad just TELL HIM straight up that he wasn't sleeping with Sara? Instead of saying "Let it go" or "I'm your father," all he had to say was "I'm not sleeping with your wife." But he didn't say that. Why? Either he really *was* fooling around with Sara, or (I suspect) the writers didn't script it that way because it would interfere with their plot device. This reminds me of one of those silly sitcoms where a simple misunderstanding turns lasts the whole show.
2. Wouldn't Jack know his own father's cell phone number?
3. If Kate just finished breakfast with Benry, why was she already hungry again? Maybe more time passed than we realized. That could explain her bloody wrists and distraught appearance.

#58. Posted by: Luke Cordoba at October 5, 2006 3:52 PM

juliet cud of got the jacks das autopsy from the plane wreckage-also do u think they no jack is related to claire

#59. Posted by: maestr06 at October 5, 2006 3:57 PM

and also ameila is juliets mother

#60. Posted by: maestr06 at October 5, 2006 4:02 PM

"juliet cud of got the jacks das autopsy from the plane wreckage-also do u think they no jack is related to claire"

Translate, please.

Though I would have liked a two-hour premiere with, perhaps, an hour total dedicated to Jack/Kate/Sawyer and the other hour to rest of the cast, I was pretty happy with the story overall. The allegory of "outside looking in" through Jack's past and present was an effective device.

Did anyone else notice that the music during Sawyer's brief escape was very, VERY similar to the music used in the original Planet of the Apes, when Charlton Heston (as Taylor) was fleeing through the fields from the ape hunting party? I thought it was a nice tip of the hat, what with Sawyer caged up like Taylor.

#61. Posted by: greenwar at October 5, 2006 4:07 PM

Great to be reading your recaps again, Mac. What a long summer...

I thought Kate looked most unhappy when they put her in the cage across from Sawyer's cage. It seemed maybe they had done something to her, after breakfast. I mean, how could her wrists get that ripped up from eating breakfast... Wierd. And how could she eat that 20 yr old fish biscuit like a starving woman, if it was right after that delicious breakfast on the beach.

#62. Posted by: lost chao at October 5, 2006 4:07 PM

lost Chao:

Some time had probably lapsed since kate had breakfast and got to the cage.....at least enough time for the tranquilizer dart to wear off AND for sawyer to figure out the bear puzzle

#63. Posted by: Bigfoot at October 5, 2006 4:12 PM

Juliet could of got Jacks dads autopsy from the plane wreckage-also do u think they know jack is related to claire

#64. Posted by: maestr06 at October 5, 2006 4:12 PM

Greenwar, my friends and I noticed the Planet of the Apes thing. One person said "whoa, this is JUST like Planet of the Apes, that's screwed up", haha, glad someone else caught that.
(i posted before as 'obsessed' and decided a name change was necessary so i sounded like less of a freakshow)

#65. Posted by: NYC Leigh at October 5, 2006 4:14 PM

So did Kate actually EAT breakfast on the beach with Benry or what? Seeming just a short bit later, she showed no hesitation at all in accepting the fish food from Sawyer.

#66. Posted by: ButchM at October 5, 2006 4:20 PM

Hey Mac,

Great to have you back. Missed your recaps and your witicism.

On last night's premier, I thought it was fantastic. BOO on the naysayers that complain it was too laid back or not interesting enough. The episode was full of character personality information. Besides the creators of the show can't make every single episode a gangbuster, mega epic, with answers and twists and turns. I think we'd all get tired of that pretty quick. Besides the first 6 episodes will deal with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer's captivity (and hopefully eventual escape). I'm going to savor each delicious episode like a fine meal and not complain that it isn't coming fast enough like a Big Mac meal at Mickey D's.

One question - in the scene where Jack is attending to a patient with the nurse in the room and he catches his father taking a cell phone call in the hallway, did anyone else think that the patient looked like "Tom"? I tried pausing and reqinding but I couldn't get a screen cap that had enough detail. I ask only because there was a report a couple of months ago that stated that Jack had dealings with one of the others back in the "real world" pre-island. Thoughts?

Anywho - great to have you back Mac.

Keep up the solid work.

#67. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 5, 2006 4:27 PM

ALSO:

Shout out to PiecesofArzt - Love "Benry", great name.

#68. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 5, 2006 4:29 PM

"Is coffee so great that Kate would put handcuffs on just cause Ben/Henry Gale asked?"

Obviously you've never drank from a French press before! :)

Great job, Mac!!! Especially the SOTL reference! Love ya, man!

#69. Posted by: Trinity at October 5, 2006 4:29 PM

Anyone notice that the song to start Jack's flashback was also the same song as the beginning of a flashback in Shawshank Redemption when Andy Dufresne is sitting in a car stalking his cheating wife? Shawshank Redemption also being a Steven King book...

#70. Posted by: Sean at October 5, 2006 4:30 PM

@Mr. Grimm -- Nice catch re: Zeke/Tom in the hospital! I saw something on http://lost.cubit.net about this. It look like you're definitely on to something!

Anyone remember what Jack was diagnosing for that guy? I seem to remember an epideral being mentioned. -- mac

#71. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 4:31 PM

Great writing, when she brought Jack the grilled cheese, it was "straight from the frying pan" -- and into the fire, as the saying goes.
The escapes were staged. Jack was supposed to attack, the water was supposed to gush, and it didn't come from the ocean, there probably was just enough back there to cause the problem, but not drown them. Chachi was a plant, and Sawyer was supposed to get out but get immediately caught. These guys are using classic military interrogation techniques -- Guantanamo or Sen McCain, anyone?

#72. Posted by: Lisa at October 5, 2006 4:31 PM

Okay, so I didn't think this episode was that great. Maybe I'm the only one, but the opening scene was great and then.....commercial, after commercial after commercial. I think there was about 15 minutes of show and 45 of adds. Drove me crazy. It was especially bad if you had it Tivoed and forwarded through the commercials. Next thing that bugged me, Jack...he drives me nuts. I liked him better when he wasn't so stupid. It seems like the writers want everybody to have flaws, but when you concentrate on that, you seem to over do things. The turn Jacks character has taken is driving me nuts. (you gonna cry jack, huh, you gunna cray?!!) Also his exchange with juliet made me puke in my mouth a little. I mean, Jack is supposed to be the clear thinker. Let's break this down... You've been captured, you know the lady that captured you is one of the freaks that did this to you....You hate them, so you're going to give in and let them make you cry????!!!! C'mon man, suck it up. If it's me, I would pretend to play along and turn the tables on them, wait until they get really close and then just snap their kneck. It just shows that they make every character so week it gets redundant.

#73. Posted by: Jeremy at October 5, 2006 4:33 PM

Hey, Mac:

Just thought I'd drop in to let you know I'm still lurking and reading. Another fine precis. I had a coffee spit-take at the '1001 gorillas' line and had to stifle a belly laugh at the 'it puts the lotion in the basket' quote. You've still got your curveball, kid.

DC

#74. Posted by: Deep Cover at October 5, 2006 4:33 PM

Thank Mac, I think he did say "Epidural" and seeing as how Jack is a back surgeon that would make sense. An Epidural is a anisthetic given to pregnant women in labor to help them deal with the lower back pain. Could be "Tom", if it was him, had back trouble and Jack "fixed" him.

#75. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 5, 2006 4:34 PM

Thanks Mac, I think he did say "Epidural" and seeing as how Jack is a back surgeon that would make sense. An Epidural is a anisthetic given to pregnant women in labor to help them deal with the lower back pain. Could be "Tom", if it was him, had back trouble and Jack "fixed" him.

#76. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 5, 2006 4:35 PM

Yeah, I also think Carl's escape was staged. I think he's an Other, and they staged it so that Sawyer would think twice about trying to escape.Otherwise, wouldn't they have thrown Carl back in his cage?
AWESOME recap as always, Mac!

#77. Posted by: Tazbee at October 5, 2006 4:39 PM

Sorry for the dooubla posting above - I must have clicked POST twice by accident.

#78. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 5, 2006 4:39 PM

Thanks to Mac for getting the season started off right!
Regarding the patient that Jack is treating, I think he says to remove the epidural catheter, and the nurse asks him--are you sure the patient is ready to self-medicate? does anyone think maybe something bad happens to the patient because of Jack's neglect (ie, he is focusing on his father at the time)?

#79. Posted by: ct at October 5, 2006 4:42 PM

@DC -- I appreciate that. It really means a lot. -- mac

#80. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 4:47 PM

Some food for thought (not duplicated in any of the above comments):

(1) Where are the children? When everyone comes running out of the houses in the opening scene, there are NO kids. What are the chances of that? All those people and No children? Teens? Babies? Of course, this dovetails nicely with the fact that when the Others attacked the tailies, they took all the kids. On purpose.

(2) Juliet. Can't help but meniton the literary parallel here. Juliet, one of the most famous names in classic lit, falls deeply in love with a leader from a rival gang (Romeo, for those of you going, huh?). Their forbidden love ends up being the cause of their demise. Hmm. Very intersting.

(3) The fish biscuit. If Kate just chowed down on a whoppin' mega-breakfast with Benry, then why does she tell Sawyer she is so hungry? It seems that she would be full. Very full.

...just thoughts. LOVE the reviews, Mac. I rush home from work on Wed. to read 'em. Keep 'em coming!

#81. Posted by: GatorGal at October 5, 2006 4:47 PM

I SOOOO agree that Kate would be way better off with Sawyer than with Jack!! I actually squealled when he gave her the fish food!! I did find it strange that she was hungry, and did wonder what all had happened to her after breakfast...

#82. Posted by: Paula at October 5, 2006 4:59 PM

I was just scanning the "Tale of Two Cities" photo gallery at ABC.com (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/galleries) and it looks like they added a photo to the gallery that wasn't supposed to be there.

Check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/njt3l

In this photo, a little girl watches over Jack in the aquarium.

Did I miss something, or did this not happen yet? -- mac

#83. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 5:03 PM

As far as Kate being hungry: Henry Gale gets up after he delivers his bad news. It is possible that she just didn't have an appetite after hearing that she was in for a tough two weeks. I don't remember seeing her cleaning her plate.

Maybe Jack is playing Juliet. If finding out the man's name would have appeased him and stopped the stalking before the crash, and someone is dangling a "we know everything" carrot in front of Jack's face, why wouldn't he have asked the question? Either Jack is finally doing what his father suggested and letting go (I hope so because "Mad Jack" is getting annoying) or maybe he just wants them to think that they are breaking him.

#84. Posted by: aecookie at October 5, 2006 5:07 PM

Hi everyone,

Welcome back, Mac! As always, great review!!
Did anyone else think that the book club review was a "meta-review" or "meta-comment" on Lost as a whole? "Religious munbo-jumbo" is related to the whole Purgatory thing... "Science-fiction" is the whole time-travel or "hole" theory about the island...

#85. Posted by: Cesco at October 5, 2006 5:10 PM

@cesco: Totally agree re: the meta review. That *had* to be a shot at the show's critics ;) -- mac

#86. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 5:12 PM

Posters are saying we didn't learn anything new from Jack's backstory in this episode, but I disagree.

Jack's father had been recovering, sober for 50 days. Then Jack blows up on him, and Daddy goes back to the bottle big time. I think these are the events that have caused Jack to believe that he essentially killed his father.

#87. Posted by: Buck41 at October 5, 2006 5:13 PM

Cesco, I like that idea a lot, haha!

#88. Posted by: NYC Leigh at October 5, 2006 5:14 PM

@Buck41: Your point is something I was mulling as I was writing the review. Back in Season 1, Jack's mother referred to something Jack "did" that, presumably, sent his father off the deep end. We all assumed that Jack's betrayal was when he narced on Dr. Daddy after he turned up drunk in the operating room. But I can't remember if the narcing happened before or after Jack accused him of sleeping with Sarah. Is it possible that Jack's grave injustice -- the one his mom was referring to -- was the accusation of Dr. Daddy's involvement with Sarah? -- mac

#89. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 5:18 PM

wow, what an episode!!
great to be back!

#90. Posted by: adam at October 5, 2006 5:19 PM

Benry (genious!) did get up after he dropped his bomb re the next 2 weeks. I cant imagine just sitting there in my pretty dress chowing on eggs after that being said to me.

Also, "you cant have coffee..." hello... sarcasm/evil humor. she knows she has no choice- she just rolled over without getting shocked or almost drowned first! Women are smarter that way! :-)

#91. Posted by: no sleep till bk at October 5, 2006 5:21 PM

A couple things....

re: aecookie's comment - I would guess there are all sorts of observation areas on the island. Remember the one hatch with the view of all the other hatches? Makes sense they can monitor conversations if that's what is going on. I for one think that they have a broader reach than just the island, though, and the power to find out about people. Remember the comments about when you have enough money you can find anyone anywhere? Fits into this scenario as well.

Also, is anyone else curious about how Jack's "miracle" operation fits into the puzzle? Could Jack possess some sort of trait (saying "power" sounds so cliche) that makes him uniquely interesting to people studying humanity? Remember the film explaining the Dharma Project and where it cut off as it is mentioning "utopian society" or something like that. Seems pretty obvious that they are studying humans and human interactions in various environments.

If any of these comments have been mentioned already I'm sorry.. I've been trying to keep up with these but wasn't able to get all the way through and keep these thoughts in my head.

Thanks!
- S

#92. Posted by: Stefan at October 5, 2006 5:27 PM

The music that is playing in Jack's flashback while in the car, watching Sarah at school, i thing is the same Glenn Miller Orchestra music that Sayid and Hurley picked up on the walkie talkie. Do you agree?

Also, maybe now we know where the cable on the beach goes. Maybe to the "Hydra" aquarium? I also think that it was not the entire ocean of water flooding in but just enough to fill the rooms so they could work on the sharks/dolphins in their water. But Henry still made it seem as though he didn't care if Juliet were killed with Jack. Maybe it is made to seem that way so Jack can learn to trust her. Make it look like she is on the outside of what Henry is doing.

#93. Posted by: Christina at October 5, 2006 5:33 PM

Ok, now I'm waiting for Sawyer to say, "You damn dirty apes!" or for him to escape again and come up to the beach with a portion of Statue of Liberty there in the sand...

I got the impression Kate didn't eat anything, therefore hungry for the Meow Mix cracker.

#94. Posted by: Connie at October 5, 2006 5:41 PM

Love the episode three things struck me funny:

1) Jack's glass jaw; one punch knock out??

2) Sawyer's neighbor; Can anyone say 'Ana Louisa pit prisoner’ When will Sawyer learn

3) The others have already kidnapped, stunned, and drugged and/or doped them; would you or any other rational person eat or drink anything the others offered you on the first day of captivity.

#95. Posted by: Dana Gabriel at October 5, 2006 5:44 PM

Awesome review; I finally got to read the opinions of somebody who loved this episode as much as I did. Can't wait for next week to how The Others mess with their new "pets".

#96. Posted by: Jacob at October 5, 2006 5:47 PM

Why was this episode named as "Tale of Two cities"?

#97. Posted by: Sudhir at October 5, 2006 5:56 PM

Maybe to highlight the literary references and juxtapose the "Others" way of life against that of the crash survivors?

- S

#98. Posted by: Stefan at October 5, 2006 5:58 PM

I don't see why some are incredulous that the dossier on Jack isn't real. Surely these people are connected to the outside world-- maybe they just contacted the "home office" and asked them to do some detective work. I don't believe the Others are marooned the way our heroes are.

#99. Posted by: AB at October 5, 2006 6:04 PM

To quick observations: 1) Lost is still the #1 kick-ass show on television; and 2) Matthew Fox should be nominated for an Emmy for that performance last night.

With that said – please writers no more back-stories that only rehash what we already know. Last night’s episode involving Jack might have been appropriate in Season 1 – or 2 – but not in the premiere of Season 3 – which should have been 2 hours. I know that our tragic heroes have only been on the island for about 2 months but during that time 40+ people should have reconnoitered the island and found the Others’ community. And how could Rousseau not know – after all the years she has been trapped there? Glad to see JJ back onboard. I am looking forward to at least one shocking revelation an episode and more answers than new questions.

#100. Posted by: PAG at October 5, 2006 6:05 PM

Rousseau is pretty screwed up in the head. Maybe she did know and had it cleaned out of her memory? Maybe she's a complete and total whack job? Maybe she's one of them? Sort of convenient how she caught Benry, isn't it? Do leaders normally wander around islands and get caught in primitive net traps?

I still think she's a complete and total whack job... but that's just me.

#101. Posted by: Stefan at October 5, 2006 6:10 PM

I do see your point that the Others might be connected with someone or agency off the island.

I also recognize that the scientist down in the Pearl were told that they were doing very important work only to have their notes end up in a pile in the jungle.

#102. Posted by: aecookie at October 5, 2006 6:19 PM

Good point about the notebooks ending up in a junk pile.

I do think it's all some sort of weird social experiment, though. How do people react when they find out their lives have been a waste (i.e. pushing the button, filling out notebooks, etc.)? Seems to be a pretty prototypical controlled scientific environment.

#103. Posted by: Stefan at October 5, 2006 6:24 PM

Christina said: "The music that is playing in Jack's flashback while in the car, watching Sarah at school, i thing is the same Glenn Miller Orchestra music that Sayid and Hurley picked up on the walkie talkie. Do you agree?"

Yes, absolutely. Knew I'd heard it before.

#104. Posted by: Mehdron at October 5, 2006 7:02 PM

Mac, there's something you should know... You were my first blog, but when we parted for the summer, I began seeing other blogs, and none of them were as interesting and funny as you.
So glad to have you back!

As for the show, I will never say anything bad about it, but surely we have learned enough about Jack. I can't wait for next week!

#105. Posted by: S at October 5, 2006 7:03 PM

Great review as always. Just one thing, above you mentioned:

'For most of this episode, Jack is an aquarium.'

Then you say:

'You read that correctly.'

I think you meant to say 'Jack is IN an aquarium' so we actually read that incorrectly :)

#106. Posted by: Ronny B at October 5, 2006 7:15 PM

To PieceofArzst: do you live in the Philly area? I heard "Benry" used on a radio talk show this morning!

#107. Posted by: S at October 5, 2006 7:31 PM

@RonnyB -- Wow, that's quite a typo on my part! Thanks for the catch! -- mac

#108. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 7:51 PM

Great work as always Mac! I think Amy said above that it looks like Jack's wife is smiling as she leaves the scene in the lawyers office. I thought the same thing when I watched it, I also checked again on my PVR (tivo) and it is hard to tell... Can someone else check that out and let me know?

#109. Posted by: db at October 5, 2006 8:03 PM

Hi and welcome back y'all! Brilliant work, Mac....

Is it true that Carl was one of Ana's pit prisoners from last season? Can anyone confirm this?

Could "Tale of Two Cities" be a reference about the two very different worlds that seem to be existing on the island ("Other Town" and "Survivor Camp")?

JR - can you provide more specifics or a link to the video you reference that can be found in Mac's last pre-season post? I am not sure about the Jack and the numbers theory...

Is "friends of Bill W." an AA term?

Juliet....which rival man does she pine for? Benry? How could he be her rival? Or does it foreshadow her falling for one of the Losties???

I thought the man in the hospital bed was surely someone we had seen before, but when I paused it to get another look, I couldn't see the face clearly....

#110. Posted by: Vikki at October 5, 2006 8:10 PM

Sorry....I forgot:

WGNABB

and

namaste....

#111. Posted by: Vikki at October 5, 2006 8:12 PM

Vicci

I believe the reference to being one of Anna's pit buddies, is the trick that Anna played on them, pretending to be a cast away. I believe that the kid is doing the same thing.

#112. Posted by: db at October 5, 2006 8:14 PM

I haven't made it through all of the comments yet, so forgive me if this is a repeat. Since we now know the plane crashes in 2004, all of the info that Juliette had on Jack could have been found on the Internet. Divorce procedings are public record and there are many sites that list the educational backgrounds of doctors. Maybe they simply Googled Jack. I don't know what they could have found by searching for, "Is Sarah happy?" however.

#113. Posted by: Sara at October 5, 2006 8:14 PM

Sorry *Vikki*

#114. Posted by: db at October 5, 2006 8:15 PM

*****Obviously 815 isn't the first flight to crash into the island (Eko's Bro). Notice how the book club ran outside and instinctively looked UP, almost expecting something and IMMEDIATELY Benry had a plan to infiltrate. I really think it's interesting that he wasn't all veni, vidi, vici on the losties but rather was "Picardian" in his "Prime Directive" of blending in, observing, but not interfering (At least not at first). What the hell???

My last question: How F*CK%ng big is this Island??? Benry tells his henchman he can make the beach in an hour? How could the Tailies not stumble upon the Socialtopia that is Hanso-World?
Great to have you back Mac!

#115. Posted by: J-Rod at October 5, 2006 8:28 PM

Wow! That was amazing and the opening was even better. But I have some thoughts...

1. Other names usually have some significance. Ethan Rom spells out "other man", Goodwin is very much like good one, but now we've got two new names. Juliet and Ben. Now I'm sincerely hoping that Juliet's name is not refering to William Shake's play because we all know what happened to Romeo. (I hope this doesn't happen to Jack!) And Ben....amazing I remember this from last year latin words; ben means good in terms of a prefix. Accident? I think not.

2. I must agree with everyone else in regards to Kate being upset when she was locked in the cages. She's only broken down twice I think and for very understandable reasons. Something happened to her between the beach and the cages. And she didn't eat the breakfast with Ben after he told her the next two weeks were going to be vey unpleasant. Yeah, I think I might lose my appetite too. And over two hours probably lapsed between the beach and the cages (since it obviously took Sawyer longer than 2 hours to figure out the "complicated gizmo".

3. First off in regards to Jack and where he is I must Hah! I was right! There was an underwater hatch! Yes! Anyways, Jack was a bit of a stalker (ok understatment.) So its too bad that Juliet's an Other and everything. They'd make a good couple.

And Mac thanks for all the great reviews! I enjoy reading them after evey episode.

Jeez, I worte a lot! Oh well

#116. Posted by: lostfugitive at October 5, 2006 8:34 PM

Vikki...Bill W. was a co-founder of A.A.

#117. Posted by: J-Rod at October 5, 2006 8:41 PM

Thought of Benry myself but apparently it was already on other message boards last night. I'm going with great minds think alike!
As for Glassjaw Jack, he should have been tired from pushing the OCEAN back in closing the door. Perhaps one punch was all that was needed at that point.

#118. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 5, 2006 8:51 PM

GatorGal brought up two very interesting points with there being no children present, and with the Romeo and Juliet allusion.

I Loved the season premier. It wasn't bad, it was just extremely different. New, completely different area of the island, a bunch of new characters (well, The Others...); it really doesn't have the same feel of any of the first two seasons but it was still a great episode that provokes new questioning and reasoning.

It seems like a lot of people are concerned about why Jack's father didn't respond blatantly to Jack's accusation. I think Jack is dangerously obsessive with the whole "other man" situation (could Jack have done something to him? And where DID he get his tattoos?), and Jack's father knows this. Jack is obviously irrational and daddy gets attacked either way. Make sense?

It's also interesting that people are automatically assuming that The Others did something to Kate. Although it's more likely that Kate tried to attack Ben during their breakfast. The scuffle could had been in trying to keep Kate detained. The Others don't seem to be the type to attack without reason and Kate certainly has a history of acting out when in captivity. Also, I doubt Kate ate her breakfast.

And, did anyone else begin to feel kind of bad for Ethan after that little bit of what we saw of him in the suburban portion of the island? Yeah, he did hang Charlie by the neck and abduct Claire while she was preggers, but now I'm starting to re-question his motives for doing so.

Also, I don't feel the same disdain for Sarah as a lot of people seem to. So she's moved on? Good for her, I'm sure it's been a while since Jack's kiss and her revelation that she's been seeing someone else. Jack, understandably, is irrational, jealous, and livid but obsessively so. Although, I could be biased as I've never liked Jack. Yes, he's a good leader, but there's something about Jack that I can't pinpoint but have always disliked.

#119. Posted by: Phil at October 5, 2006 9:18 PM

Just a point. Just because there was an area that looked like sububia doesn't mean that they couldn't take some time to dismantel it. We still don't know what the full resources of DARMA are on the island. There is still the area that they are being held captive, but it is possible that they have abandoned the other site managing to keep it hidden.

#120. Posted by: db at October 5, 2006 9:28 PM

Just a point. Just because there was an area that looked like sububia doesn't mean that they couldn't take some time to dismantel it. We still don't know what the full resources of DARMA are on the island. There is still the area that they are being held captive, but it is possible that they have abandoned the other site managing to keep it hidden.

#121. Posted by: db at October 5, 2006 9:28 PM

One of the things Juliet says just before the earthquake hits is "Is there any free will left on this..." I think she was going to end her statement with island. She says this right after adam's rant.

I think we are going to find that Ben runs the Others with an Iron fist and he is terrified of what 40 odd new people could do to his order, what ever it is. They could force him to read The Langoliers.

#122. Posted by: Matt at October 5, 2006 9:31 PM

Mac,

Thank you SO much for your awesome recaps! I'm sure I'm not the only one who missed you over the summer... :-)

So, good point by someone before: Where are all the kids? Are they being kept in one of the other areas and being used in experiments, even tho as Juliet said, the Dahrma things was over long ago...

I'm confused as to Benry and Juliet's disdain for each other.

It's too bad that people were disappointed with the episode. We'll get plenty of the other characters in the next few weeks. I'm glad we got the suburbia view of the Others to give us an idea of what the heck they were doing BEFORE the crash.

Also, did anyone get a screen cap of the patient Jack was working on when he was distracted by his dad? Was it Tom?

Thanks for everyone's input! So glad to be back in the Lost loop...

#123. Posted by: Sara at October 5, 2006 9:35 PM

Read most of the comments but not all... about 75%. I apologize for my premature post but it's late here now and i keep forgetting what I want to say.

IMO; Dont let time confuse you. In this prison like envirnonment, the producers give no clue as to how much time passes. I expect missing sequences to lapse over between episodes like in the beginning of Season 2... We will find out why Kate's wrist were bloody and how Juliet knew Sawyer was escaping.

Concerning this seasons schedule; I believe that the mid season break will end as soon as penny gets to the island. Would be a nice cliff hanger

-and i also thought that the opening sequence was penny at first... didn't quite look like here but who else could it have been.

show recap=BRILLIANT

#124. Posted by: middies at October 5, 2006 9:47 PM

Kate is forced to wear a sundress. She is then walked, unrestrained, to the beach and then told to wear handcuffs to drink coffee. Is coffee less dangerous with handcuffs on?

She is then escorted to the cage where she is quiet and melancholy. Her wrists are severely wounded from the handcuffs... not from drinking coffee!

She seems vulnerable in the sundress for some reason. Benry said the next two weeks would be unpleasant. Hmmm...

#125. Posted by: Lost in Lost at October 5, 2006 9:49 PM

I preferred when you didn't post a ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT of the show. Cogency is king.

#126. Posted by: boring at October 5, 2006 10:00 PM

GREAT EPISODE...OK...HERE IS MY THOUGHTS/ THINGS I READ ONLINE THROUGH BLOGS..LOCKE AND CHARLIE WON'T BE SEEN UNTIL THE 3RD EPISODE. CLAIRE IS JACK'S HALF SISTER...I READ THAT SOME WHERE...AND LOCKE AND ROSE WILL BOTH LOOSE THIER FIGHTS AGAINST CANCER AND BEING PARALIZED DUE TO THE LOSS OF THE HATCH...AGAIN I READ THESE PREDICTIONS ONLINE..SO JUST THROWING OUT WHAT I KNOW...THIS SEASON IS GOING TO BE BRILLIANT...I CANNOT WAIT...WELCOME BACK J.J. ABRAMS...WE MISSED YOUR STYLE!!!!

#127. Posted by: Benny at October 5, 2006 10:14 PM

When Zeke told Kate she's not his type, did anyone else wonder if he's gay? Or maybe Dharma's work left them in some way unable to procreate, and that's why they steal children? Just a thought...

#128. Posted by: mrs dobalena at October 5, 2006 10:17 PM

Sara - I have paused the scene where Jack and the nurse are talking by the patient's bed and I can't seem to connect the face to anyone we have seen before....I do not think it is Tom

J-Rod - thanks for the info about Bill W....

About Carl....I thought that Ana Lucia let someone out of the pit before she killed Goodwin....or was that the same guy that got his neck broken by Goodwin?

Also, I played the opening scene over again, and it appears as though the appliances in Juliet's place are modern and up to date. How come none of the stuff in her place is branded with the Dharma logo?

Could Jack's jaw have been so easily broken because of the medicine Juliet said they gave him, which would have left him extremely dehydrated and on the verge of hallucinating? Was Jack's dad's voice on the intercom a hallucination? Did we ever find out what happened to his body after season one?

Are Jack, Kate, and Sawyer all being kept in the area called The Hydra (what was the symbol that Sawyer saw when he looked across the cage???)? And, if they are in the Hydra area, where is this station located as per the hatch map that Locke saw? Anyone have a link for that map? I erased the one I saved....

#129. Posted by: Vikki at October 5, 2006 10:30 PM

Ya know what ... that episode did not reveal much. We already knew all this info and it was a far cry from the season 2 opener. This episode severely suffered. Jack was great however. top notch acting.
thinng

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#130. Posted by: thinng at October 5, 2006 10:32 PM

@Boring -- Ah yes, the "the reviews are too long" argument. They are what they are, my friend. -- mac

#131. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 10:33 PM

I just wanted to comment on why Kate was so upset when walking towards the cage. I personally think if you put yourself in her mindset - she looked like she started to cry when she saw Sawyer. Not that they were tears of joy, but to not know what is going to happen to you - you're captive and alone and the two men that you are closest to are just gone.. she must have felt some comfort to see Sawyer - that now she wouldn't be alone going through whatever ordeal it is the Others are going to put them through. So yeah, she started to cry.

And why did they take her to where Sawyer was locked up, and not to the aquarium with Jack? I personally liked the scene where she was reunited with Sawyer more than any other one (well, except for the opening sequence.)

I also like these "slower" stories - because they allow you to connect with how the characters are ever-changing. They delve deeper into the psyche of the characters, and make you get more or less attached to them. That's why the show is so good on all aspects.

#132. Posted by: Katie at October 5, 2006 10:42 PM

The review was awesome! Unbelievable, I know some people who occasionally miss an episode, and I tell them this is where to go to find out everything they need to know. Don't change a thing!

#133. Posted by: mrs dobalena at October 5, 2006 10:42 PM

One thing that I think we're all assuming & that's that Dharma World/Hanso Land is on the island that the Lostaways are on. One of the last scenes from Season 2's finale shows Jack etc. by the Pala Ferry. It's possible that Dharma World is on another, nearby island & the Hydra station is partially underwater in-between the two islands. Not sure how highly I'd rate the possibility of it, but I thought I'd kick it out there.

And Mac, *wonderful* recap as always. Finally, a reason to look forward to Thursdays again...thanks!

#134. Posted by: Alais_Longthought at October 5, 2006 10:47 PM

...that part about Sarah deserving another car wreck was hilarious Mac. Bravo, ...but you're right, she does deserve it. colossal b...

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#135. Posted by: thinng at October 5, 2006 10:54 PM

what Mac ...? who said the reviews are too long ? whoever it was... GO HOME !

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#136. Posted by: thinng at October 5, 2006 10:57 PM

Hello to all; I really enjoyed the first episode of this season and Mac has done his usual outstanding job of recapping.

To the people querying Jack's 'glass jaw' - I think much of his capitulation can be put down to the physical and emotional strain he has been subjected to, and the knock-on effects of the sedative/doping drugs will certainly have contributed.

Don't forget that he eventually bested Ethan Rom, who was no slouch in the fighting department (ask Charlie, presuming that Rom did his work alone).

Regarding Jack not knowing his dad's mobile number - how many of you really know your close friends and family's numbers? They are most likely stored as contacts in your phones. There was a funny story on the radio recently where someone's mum actually had her own number written on paper and stuck to her own mobile phone lol!

I love how the recaps and subsequent comments on here can change one's perception of events, too. I thought it odd that Kate would be so hungry and never thought anything of the cuts she had suffered from wearing the cuffs. I also presumed that 'The Aquarium' was connected to the cable which was headed out into the sea back in Season 1 but the comments about the 'staged' ingress of water have me stumped now :-)

Keep up the good work, everyone.

#137. Posted by: Ted Jack at October 5, 2006 11:04 PM

So, my question is: Is Sawyer going to be trapped in that cage the entire season, or only for the first twelve episodes?

#138. Posted by: Zeb at October 5, 2006 11:07 PM

@Ted Jack

good point. i have no idea what my parent's cell phone numbers are. i have to look within my phone book.

damn technology.

#139. Posted by: schiano at October 5, 2006 11:11 PM

@Katie

I think they're keeping Jack seperate because he has something to offer to the others. He's a doctor. I'd want him on my team over any one else.

What can Sawyer and or Kate really offer?

#140. Posted by: schiano at October 5, 2006 11:13 PM

To Vikki - I agree with your comments re. Jack's jaw (although I don't think it was broken :) ) - your response, along with a load of other posts, was put up while I was writing mine. It is a hotbed of activity in here, and no mistake!

To 'boring' - what? Do you know what 'cogency' means? It doesn't sound like you do, given the context in which you have used it here. I'll stick with Mac for the time being, I think.

#141. Posted by: Ted Jack at October 5, 2006 11:14 PM

why did Zeke say to Kate that she was "not his type"??

what are they ? Aliens ?

"we're gonna need a bigger boat "

#142. Posted by: thinng at October 5, 2006 11:16 PM

Mac -- I missed most of season 2 because I didn't have TV and my antennae didn't pick up that channel. Somebody on another blog I follow turned me onto your site to get caught up. I have to admit, I'm hooked now!! You are an amazing writer who knows a lot about pop culture. I just loved your Silence of the Lambs reference! I'll definitly be following you for the rest of the season!!

#143. Posted by: orkmommy at October 5, 2006 11:33 PM

you're HILARIOUS!!! Yes, I am shouting!

"...lotion in the basket"...LOL!

Thursdays are now my MAC MORNINGS! Pour a cup of coffee and wait for the review to post!

Glad to have you back!

#144. Posted by: Kimberly at October 5, 2006 11:38 PM

A few things that bugged me about Juliet:

1. The way she was talking to Jack made MY skin crawl. The so gentle and patronizing and I-want-to-be-your-friend tone of voice. After all of the lies that Henry Gale, Goodwin, and Ethan told our heros, couldn't Jack see that Juliet was playing a head-game with him?

2. The information Juliet had was gotten from Sawyer, Kate, and Jack himself. Those needle marks were from injections of Sodium Pentathol, a.k.a. truth serum. All three were interrogated and they don't remember any of it.

3. I'm sorry, but there is NO WAY a woman like Juliet could K.O. Jack with one punch. Rosie O'Donnel, maybe, but not Juliet.

Peace out.

#145. Posted by: Jeff at October 5, 2006 11:38 PM

@orkmommy -- Nice to have you here, and thanks for your kind words!

@all of you -- Once again, I am so friggin' amazed at the insight and intelligence among the people who stop by this blog. Your comments are such a wonderful part of this spot and I really appreciate you taking the time. -- mac

#146. Posted by: mac at October 5, 2006 11:41 PM

First of all, and I know this is redundant, Great job Mac! It is nice to have Lost and your reviews back. "It puts the lotion in the basket" Best....line.....ever.

Does anyone else get the feeling that maybe the Others used to be the Dharma guinea pigs, but they somehow staged a revolution and have decided to take over? Could explain why Benry is such a hardass.

The Hydra doesn't necessarily have to be underwater. It could be that the room on the other side of that door is filled with water. That would explain how Jack was able to shut the door, and also how Juliet got to Sawyer so fast. Remember that when Sawyer and Carl escaped the klaxons started blaring something to the effect of "Subject escape!" Anyone within earshot would have heard them.

And I have also never been a Jack fan. I am happy to see that he is not nearly the little mister perfect some people think him to be.

Does Kate's scene on the beach remind anyone of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Karen Allen is forced to put on a white dress, eat food with the head honcho.....of course she later tries to escape to no avail, perhaps the same happened to Kate.

#147. Posted by: Chimowicz at October 5, 2006 11:46 PM

Mike NYC and Meg you are ridiculous? You know what? Don't read the spoilers if you feel you'll be let down. And haven't you learned anything from watching this show? The producers will show you things, character when they want to and when it's appropriate. If you're really that upset with the show from...THE 1st episode of the season...then don't watch it anymore. You'll be the one missing out.

#148. Posted by: Mike V at October 5, 2006 11:49 PM

Did anyone notice the type of trees and vegetation as the camera panned further and further above the suburban utopia that the Others live in? The upclose streetscape Hollywood backlot scene depicted oak and possible elm trees. As the camera pulled skyward the vegetation became more tropical with prevalent palm trees. Where on earth would that mix of trees co-exist?

#149. Posted by: ScouttyBoy at October 6, 2006 1:14 AM

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE these reviews!!
I'm a relative new-comer to LOST, only started watching in the beginning of season 2, but have been hooked ever since. I came across these reviews shortly thereafter, and could not believe them-- awesome, witty, and hilarious! And before I was able to get season 1 on DVD,they were extremely helpful in putting all the pieces together. I couldn't wait for the season opener, but don't know which I was more excited for-- the show or the review.
Anyway....I did agree that after the opening sequence, I was kind of disappointed by the show-- not many answers, just more questions/possibilities-- but that's LOST, isn't it.
And, I, too, was wondering why Kate would voluntarily put handcuffs on herself, and how Kate's wrists got so raw. And if everyone is so reluctant to eat the food the hostile Others have offered, why would they be so eager to eat the fish cracker and grub meant for a wild bear instead? Give me the egg mcmuffin!
The "you're not my type" comment by "Zeke" also seemed quite odd.
From the first we saw Carl in the cage opposite Sawyer, I thought he was a set-up. His questions to Sawyer about where his camp was and the people there. Is he one of the people the Others took from the tail section the first couple of nights?
Why would Jack's dad fall off the wagon after Jack's attack at the AA meeting (after 50 days sober)? Seems extreme. Maybe there was a "special woman" responsible for his sobriety, just not the one Jack thought.
And one last thought (I know, finally) how in the world could no one have come across the Dharma Land in all the treks on the island-- seriously, how big is this island?? Or is the city like Brigadoon, and is only visible every 10 years or something?
Love ya, MAC, can't wait for next week!

#150. Posted by: erin at October 6, 2006 1:21 AM

Just a few quick thoughts....

- IF Tom was the one getting the epidural and IF he has some chronic pain/spine issue then maybe he wants to be on the island for it's curative powers

- After watching the opening scene again, it does seem like the Others(or at least Ben and Juliet) are looking for something in the sky. Besides, there are just too many coincidental connections pre-island for this to be a random occurence.

Oh yeah, Great job Mac!
(do I get my fish cracker now?)

#151. Posted by: Brian at October 6, 2006 1:44 AM

First off, TedJack, thanks for the astute cell phone comment. Of COURSE it's totally plausible to not recognize your father's cell phone number when you dial it, what with this age of auto-dial and MS Outlook compatable contact lists and all. Just as I couldn't, figurative gun to my head, come up with my own father's cell number . . . nor my sister's, nor even my husband's.

Nextly, a small, subtle, but in the Lost-world, likely important nuance (but maybe a moot point as I don't have TiVo and didn't even old-school VHS this episode to check for sure . . . ): When "Chachi" asks Sawyer what his "people" are like, and Sawyer says, "Oh they're just awesome, . . . Last one of you that came to visit got tortured by an Iraqi" I heard Sawyer's retort as "Last one of you that came to visit go tortured by OUR Iraqi." This would be SO Sawyer, the possessive "our" implying that he's some sort of buddy-buddy team leader of the group, (as in, "our doctor, our vodoo priest, our Jedi-master," etc.), perhaps he's even capable of "unleashing our Iraqi" to do his bidding (since he earned the Iraqi's respect by surviving his own bout with the notorious Sadam-school torture-graduate) instead of Sawyer simply being the gun-hording, secret-spilling, double-dealing, misanthrope that we all know he is.

As for the Sawyer/Kate fish-food moment, it hardly matters if Kate was or was not satiated after her Benry Beach breakfast . . . it wasn't about the food. It was a classic subtle Sawyer moment where he gets all "bowerbird" on Kate by making an offering of what's at hand to profess his desire for her, "Are you hungry? Look at this tasty nugget I have. It's small, it's all I've got, but just say the word, and it's yours. Do you love me?" Kate, no slouch herself in the subtlety department, recognizes the ploy, struggles with the implication, then (perhaps from behind the comfort and safety of the double walls of bear cage bars) accepts his offering by admitting to hunger and might I add, makes a masterful catch of the ticky tacky fish wafer, cementing her desire by actually taking a bite and making "yum yum" sounds. Yes my friends, I predict plenty of behind bars bonding between these two in the episodes that follow.

Finally Mac, you are the Jon Stewart of blogs. Don't you dare respond to posts from obviously ADHD readers who bemoan the scope and breadth of your re-caps and beg for "less is more." After all, when The Bard penned "brevity is the soul of wit" (Hamlet Act II, scene ii) he was after all being facetious in the extreme given the context of Polonius's long-winded explanation of this point.

(Clearly a literary truisim of which I too enjoy the irony.)

#152. Posted by: desertrat at October 6, 2006 3:29 AM

/agree with Lisa (and others) that the escapes were staged.
Jack and Sawyer got out way too easy. And it seemed to fit in the whole psychological research theme they got going on.

I think they all were placed in different situations to see how they would respond.
Sort of like how Doctor Doom would place the Fantastic Four in different prison cells specifically designed to negate their powers.

Well... sort of.

#153. Posted by: SnakeJake at October 6, 2006 5:08 AM

Here's my $0.02:

Regarding the epidural - not that uncommon and can be a very temporary situation, being replaced with a PCA (patient controlled analgesia aka magic button that makes you feel good) which is what the nurse was asking Jack if they patient was ready for. Still I would think that it indicates whoever was receiving it was DEFINITELY in more than a fair amount of pain.

Secondly, does anyone else think its a completely crazy idea that the reason none of the survivors found the Others encampment is due to the black cloud from Season 1? I believe it was called the cerberus program (referring to the 3 headed canine gatekeeper on the Styxx). Perhaps that chased off anyone who was getting to close (though I seem to vaguely recall that going kaput sometime at the end of Season 1). Anyway, just my thoughts.

PS - first time I've read this blog and I have to say that I now know where to go for my post-episode break down. Don't know how I've survived the 1st and 2nd season without it. Great job Mac

#154. Posted by: lostphreak at October 6, 2006 5:29 AM

Seeing the CGI crash answered questions from me. It seemed the front part just glided on down the line, while the tail, now having no flight capabilities (it prefers aerodynamically challenged) just goes straight down.

The front section must have broken off from the middle later on.

Since the tail is closer to "Dharma world" it explains how the tailies were victimised more. I wonder if *the snatched* have been in the same rooms and cages our three characters are in now? Does that explain where Carl came from, or was he simply a Plant by the others to start the unpleasantness?

It looks to me like Jack is waking up in a room not meant to be filled with water at all times. That table seems to be what they'd rest injured sharks/dolphins on while they operate.

#155. Posted by: Chris at October 6, 2006 8:08 AM

Your reviews have got me so gripped I just had to read this one, even though i'm from England and the series 2 finale only aired here last week. There is no way i'm gonna be able to wait for series 3 to show over here knowing that you will review each episode so superbly! Keep up the good work!

#156. Posted by: Baby Bright at October 6, 2006 8:27 AM

Fantastic write-up once again Mac!

A few random thoughts:

1) I think the reason there is some tension between Juliet and Henry Gale, er Ben, is because I'm guessing that Juliet and Ethan used to be a couple (he was the one fixing her pipes). Anyway, Ben sent Ethan to the Losties camp and Ethan ended up getting killed. Perhaps Juliet blames Ben for Ethan's death. Or, it could just be that she simply doesn't like the way that he runs the island. Should we start calling Ben, El Presidente?

2) It is obvious some time (perhaps a few hours) between the beach breakfast between Kate and Ben; and Tom dropping Kate off to the bear cage. The marks on her wrists would seem to imply that there was some sort of struggle. Perhaps that got some information from her about Jack and then Juliet used that information when later speaking to Jack.

3) Also, this episode confirms that Jacko is wacko. I'm mean, he offered to give everything to Sara just to find out the name of the guy that she is now with. What was he going to do with that information? Kill the guy? This is one area where I don't entirely agree with you Mac... sure, Sara may have a screw loose too, but Jack seems to be the more unstable part of that relationship. Since he always worked and was never home (since he was out "fixing" people), she went looking elsewhere.

4) I don't think it was Tom/Zeke in the hospital bed in Jack's flashback.

5) I liked the episode, but like most people I always want to see more than they can actually give us in the ~40 minutes. What this is what seperates a two-hour movie where you are force-fed the entire story vs. a television drama that goes on for a few years and could have well over 100 hours of content. I'm cool with it -- except that I too want all of the answers right now, but that would ruin it. So, I'll complain a little bit and be right back next week. As for the commercials, that's the great thing about Tivo. My wife and I start watching the show about 9:20 so that we can fast forward through the commercials.

6) Carl is a new character and wasn't in Ana's pit last year. That guy was killed by Goodwin.

7) I don't think that the Hydra station is under water. Just because the Dharma team studied sharks and dolphins doesn't mean that the monitoring station had to be under water -- it just needs access to water to be pumped into it.

8) Lastly, Mac, nice catch with the promo shot with the little girl (http://tinyurl.com/njt3l). I checked out ABC's site and that picture is no longer there. Perhaps it is an outtake promo photo. As for the missing kids, I'm sure that there in OtherTown somewhere. Perhaps there were in the kiddy day care while the book club was going on.

Marty.

#157. Posted by: Marty at October 6, 2006 8:35 AM

I think Zeke/Tom's comment to Kate about not being her type was a putdown since Kate was the belle of the beach with Jack and Sawyer chasing after her. By saying she wasn't his type she would have been demoralized as less pretty not gay as has been theorized. Maybe he prefers big-breasted blondes (and who doesn't)?

#158. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 6, 2006 8:45 AM

OK, straight from dictionary.com... co‧gen‧cy  /ˈkoʊdʒənsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[koh-juhn-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
the quality or state of being convincing or persuasive: The cogency of the argument was irrefutable.

Ummm.... What's your point boring?? If you do not enjoy the dissection of EVERYTHING in the episode, go somewhere else! Personally, I love it, because without Tivo, there are often things I miss, and this is where I come to see what I may have missed during the program....

#159. Posted by: Paula at October 6, 2006 9:08 AM

MAC- Picture number 33 on the ABC website definitly has a little girl looking at Jack sleeping...what is that about? I think that's a major no-no and we were NOT supposed to see it!
Sillygirl0630

#160. Posted by: sillygirl0630 at October 6, 2006 9:16 AM

OK, we know that "Downtown" sounds very similar to "Make Your Own Kind of Music," the song that kicked off season two. I looked into it a bit and it turns out that Petula Clark recorded versions of both songs. I'm not sure if hers are the ones played (I'm no '70s music collector), but they sound like they were made by the same artist. Interestingly enough, she has a history in "experimental television," whatever that means. Check it out at http://www.petulaclark.net/tv/britishtv.html

It's nothing groundbreaking, just food for thought.

#161. Posted by: Kaytie at October 6, 2006 9:45 AM

Why did Kate and Jack have the needle marks but not Sawyer? I'm guessing it was that 'truth serum' or something like that which got Jacks information. I wonder if Kate gave them info which lead to her having breakfast on the beach in a dress with Ben. I'm guessing there's a time distortion going on here as well. How long has Sawyer been in the cage? Notice how they gave both Kate and Jack something to eat but Sawyer only got the fish biscut.

When the camera pulled back to show the town it looked like it was in the middle of a creater a long way from the coast. How long did it take them to walk Kate to the beach?

I think someone mentioned this earlier but the last thing Julie said before the book club meeting was inturrupted was something about "free will" being gone in relation to Ben. Could the Dharma Commune have started off more socilistic and Ben slowly take a more authoritive position. Sounds to me that most of the others don't question anything he says...except Julie. Remember how Ben discribed "him" while a captive in the hatch.

Anyway, thanks for the review Mac. I'm glad the season has started so I can start reading them again.

#162. Posted by: PZ at October 6, 2006 9:45 AM

Just a comment - There are no children when the plane crashes because the last child we know of would be 15/16 at the time of the crash. This would be Rosseau's daughter Alex.

#163. Posted by: Paula at October 6, 2006 9:47 AM

Wow - It has taken me an hour to read through all these, and I am sure more have been posted (I haven't hit refresh yet).

First, to Mike V, relax and try not to take our opinions so personally. Lost is my favorite show, but if I have something to say about it I am going to say it. I think it's rather extreme to suggest that I stop watching the show based on minor disappointment of one episode. Perhaps a bit of overreaction and sensitivity on your part. I think if you will go back and reread my posts without jumping to major conclusions, you will see that I made no mention of the spoilers "disappointing me", I also said that I hoped the show wasn't falling, but that I am reserving my judgemnt until later. Wow! I am really misunderstood.

On another more positive and inquisitive note to all:

I wonder how the "unpleasant next two weeks" are going to be related to the next shows description, how Kate and Sawyer have a tough job to do??

Most definitely the scene between HG and Juliet was staged to make Jack closer to her. I am sure of it. But, maybe Juliet has a double cross planned to throw us off.

#164. Posted by: meg at October 6, 2006 10:00 AM

Marty writes:
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Perhaps that got some information from her about Jack and then Juliet used that information when later speaking to Jack.
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Juliet seemed to know a LOT more than Kate would've known about Jack. :]

-H

#165. Posted by: Hun Kim at October 6, 2006 10:05 AM

There were kids that were on the plane. Ana Lucia and Eko helped them when the plane initially crashed, and they were later taken from the tailies' camp in the middle of the night by the others....The boy carried the stuffed teddy bear...

I like the truth serum theory...that could very well be the reason Juliet knew so much about Jack...

Also, I am convinced we have seen Carl someplace else....someone's flashback? In the hospital with Hurley? One of Jack's patients? In Kate's story somewhere?

Mac and sillygirl...I rewatched the scenes where Jack is in the room and didn't see the little girl that is in the still picture....looks like someone played a "Three Men and a Baby" on us.... :)

#166. Posted by: Vikki at October 6, 2006 10:37 AM

Great recap as usual mac. Have been reading this blog for about a year and I look forward to it every Thursday. Keep it up!

As for the show. At first I really thought that something happened to Kate because the look on her face seemed like sheer terror. Looking back, I am guessing that maybe it's the anticipation of the two "upleasant" weeks ahead? Having crazy ass Benry tell me some news like that would cause me to lose my appetite.

Does anyone else think that Juliet could easily turn on Benry and the Others? Can't wait to hear what their back story is all about.

#167. Posted by: Irish Fan at October 6, 2006 10:38 AM

Vikki - Not trying to be rude, but do you understand that the only kids we know of were ON the plane, so they could not have been ON the island watching the plane crash?

#168. Posted by: Paula at October 6, 2006 10:41 AM

I, too, agree that the stupidest part of the episode was Juliet and Jack being able to shut the door with the water pushing against it. Ludicrous.

As for why Kate at the fish biscuit? I think it's because she DIDN'T eat breakfast with Ben. Why do people assume she ate the eggs and bacon? I think she didn't.

Anyway, I'm thrilled that Lost is back, and I'm excited to see what will happen. I try not to pick it apart in every detail, because it is just a tv show, and it is science fiction. No need to get all crazy.

Thanks for the great recaps, Mac!

#169. Posted by: Amanda at October 6, 2006 10:45 AM

Ok, sorry for the delay in posting my thoughts, but I think I have a couple of new ideas (at least to this forum)...

1) The Skinner Connection: First, in the opening when they showed their little houses with the gazebo and so forth, I flipped out. Why? Because this little "colony" looks very much like the "Los Horcones" colony in Mexico... this all ties back in to BF Skinner and his book on his social utopia/dystopia 'Walden Two'.

Hang in with me, this all ties back in to his work 'Superstition in the Pigeon' and his beliefs on operant conditioning. If you go to Wikipedia's article on Walden Two there is a link to the Los Horcones website, take a look at the pic on the mainpage in front of the gazebo, followed by the "Buildings" link which shows a group of houses in the middle of the desert - change that pic to a tropical setting and it looks almost exactly like the little village in the ep.

In Skinner's utopian commune idea, people lived together in an egalitarian ideal, with rich social interactions, etc, and most controversially the communal education of *children* using operant conditioning. I think this is why we don't see them in the Village, they're held apart for "education". I think it also relates to why they abduct children - to raise them and sustain their isolated society.

So, let me move to point 2:
2) Sawyer's cage. The cage Sawyer is held in could be described as a Skinner Box. To qoute from Wikipedia, again: "Skinner boxes have at least one operandum (or "manipulandum") that can automatically detect the occurrence of a behavioral response or action. Typical operanda for primates and rats are response levers; if the subject presses the lever, the opposite end moves and closes a switch that is monitored by a computer or other programmed device. Typical operanda for pigeons and other birds are response keys with a switch that closes if the bird pecks at the key with sufficient force. The other minimal requirement of a conditioning chamber is that it have a means of delivering a primary reinforcer or unconditioned stimulus like food (usually pellets) or water."

The article goes on to mention that modern boxes may contain multiple levers, reinforcers, etc. Sawyer's a rat in a cage. Again, the hand of devotees of BF Skinner obviously at work.

3) Time & Location. I'm not sure this episode was as linear as it appears. I think something happened to Kate, based upon her expression and the injuries to her wrists. It's hard to know how long Jack or Sawyer were unconscious at any given point, or if we saw things in appropriate chronologic relationship. Also, I have a feeling that the Village is on a separate island close by (via the Pala Ferry?), and that they are currently being held at one of the other hatches/dharma locations - hence her mention of the Hydra. This may or may not be on the main island where they crashed.

4) Mind games. I think Jack is held seperately, because Juliet is going to break him down (I guess the Others have the internets?). I suspect a burgeoning love interest, and I think Juliet may dislike Ben due to Ethan's death and possibly a past relationship (maybe she spurned him?). Still, I think we may see something between Jack and Juliet that ultimately turns out to be a big mind-screw for Jack. I have a feeling that they're breaking Kate down to then try to use her to bring Sawyer, the ultimate conman, into the fold, because it seems unlikely he'd be manipulated easily any other way than via Kate.

5) Final point, there is some relation, perhaps, to Huxley's utopian/dystopian novel "The Island" - I've seen it mentioned before and I read it back in Jr High, but in it this isolated island utopia tries to resist the influence of the outside world, but the young prince is interested in the lures of the west and ultimately destroys the island. "Carl" reminded me of this - the young child unhappy with the society, interested in the "outside world" - of course, he also could've been there to set sawyer up.

Heh, maybe I need my own blog for my crazed theories.

Namaste, thanks for reading,
BH

#170. Posted by: biohazard at October 6, 2006 10:51 AM

MAC great job...

I have got a sneaking feeling that Juliet is a clone. An enforcer for the Others. The Others obviuosly are playing pschological warfare with ALL their captives, my ??? is whether Jack is purposely playing along (being broken down by "one" of the Juliets)
I wonder could BENRY be a clone also.

#171. Posted by: BigNameJames at October 6, 2006 11:05 AM

I always avoided spoilers until I ran into this site halfway through the second series (UK viewer). Now I can't resist the wonderfully-written spoilerness. You make me laugh out loud with each review. I can't wait until Lost is on our screens again - in twothousandandsoddingseven :o(

Thanks Mac!

#172. Posted by: flying_fresian at October 6, 2006 11:06 AM

Sorry but I have a slightly off the topic question. I read these comments a few times a day but I waste precious time trying to find the last comment I read. Is there an easy way to mark the last comment?
Appreciate any help.

#173. Posted by: El at October 6, 2006 11:16 AM

You could jot down the time of the last email you read. That's what I do mentally.

#174. Posted by: meg at October 6, 2006 11:51 AM

Hi everyone,

Just adding a few more thoughts after my first posting.
I believe Kate was eating the fish because she knew Sawyer had started eating it and she trusts Sawyer more than Benry, of course! And even if she thought Benry's offered food was ok, she would still be upset after what he said.
Now, I believe Sawyer ate the food because it was coming from DHARMA, and not the Others. Indeed, the Losties have been eating Dharman food since they found the hatch. So, Sawyer trusts Dharma food!

Finally, I believe Jack was crying at the end because he just wanted to know if Sarah was happy, that's all. If she was, then it meant that he let her be "fixed", i.e. that if he couldn't make her happy, at least she was happy later on with someone else, whatever his name...

That's all.

#175. Posted by: Cesco at October 6, 2006 11:57 AM

When Jack wass stalking Sarah outside the school, Glenn Miller's "Moonlight Serenade" was playing on the radio. That's the same song that was playing when Sayid and Hurley got the transceiver working on the beach that night in Season 2.

#176. Posted by: wcm1111 at October 6, 2006 12:10 PM

i saw a screenshot of the camp and it is at least a 2 hr walk, perhaps thats y kates handcudds were irritating her also how could goodwin make that run in an hour abd he then must have diisapeared to give henry the list- didn't Ana lucia realize the same way she realized nathan had diisapeared, or was nathan an Other, also it must of taken ethan a good 3 day hike how could he report lists in three days

#177. Posted by: maestr06 at October 6, 2006 12:15 PM

"There are no children when the plane crashes"....didn't realize the "when" meant "on the island when the plane crashes"....just trying to clarify.

Paula, if you are not trying to be rude, then don't use caps to sarcastically emphasize something because that is rude. I do understand what the prepesition "on" means. Thanks.

#178. Posted by: Vikki at October 6, 2006 12:31 PM

Biohazard,

I like your thoughts and theories on the show in how they relate to Skinner. One point to make about your thoughts on the villages location: it is on the same island as the crash because Benry told Goodwin that he could make it to the beach crash in an hour if he ran, unless Goodwin can run on water then they are on the same island as the crash.

#179. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 6, 2006 12:33 PM

@Paula: "There are no children when the plane crashes"....didn't realize the "when" meant "on the island when the plane crashes"....just trying to clarify.

Paula, if you are not trying to be rude, then don't use caps to sarcastically emphasize something because that is rude. I do understand what the preposition "on" means. Thanks.

#180. Posted by: Vikki at October 6, 2006 12:35 PM

Sorry for the double posting above...I tried to catch my typo in "preposition" in time, but I was too late....I apologize.

#181. Posted by: Vikki at October 6, 2006 12:40 PM

If Kate would have asked about Jack before Sawyer on the beach with Benry (She asked about "Sawyer and Jack" as opposed to "Jack and Sawyer" and Benry made a point of it), would she have been taken to Jack instead of Sawyer?
Does she think about this when she sees Sawyer?

#182. Posted by: howecurious at October 6, 2006 12:47 PM

Thought I heard Juliet say "Thanks,Pat." to Henry NOT Ben.???
Did anyone else think the man at the beach waiting for Kate looked Oriental at first?

#183. Posted by: Carkey at October 6, 2006 12:54 PM

@El -- Excellent question. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to mark the comments you've read. I wish there was, it would be very handy. -- mac

#184. Posted by: mac at October 6, 2006 12:56 PM

Mac - amazing review...as if there was any doubt it would be! The entire show has become an homage to Stephen King - the use of literary references, music, lyrics, etc. - I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear that SK is actively involved in the creative process...of course, if he is, it's the best thing he's ever done. If he's not, he should be honored by the creative wink in his direction.

#185. Posted by: SonnyESQ at October 6, 2006 1:04 PM

I don't think Jack, Kate or Sawyer are being held anywhere near the Utopian Neighborhood. The Island is riddled with hatches and stations all over the place, I just don't think the Others would bring them to thier actual homes.

Also, maybe there is an underground "subway" type system to get to certain points of the island quicker, making the trip from the neighborhood to the crash sites quicker and more plausible than just "running." It's not so far fetched, there are underground hatches with tunnels and a vaccuum tube system and remember when John Locke was getting dragged into that hole by a mechanical sounding "monster?" Seems like a good explanation.

#186. Posted by: AB at October 6, 2006 1:10 PM

carkey-
rugs are oriental
people are asian

#187. Posted by: pw at October 6, 2006 1:11 PM

Re the comment that this is all on the same island because of Benry's statement that Goodwin could "make it in an hour if you run": It could be that Goodwin could have made it in an hour if he ran & caught the next scheduled Pala ferry. Or he could make it in an hour if he ran & used the shortcut through the Hydra, if the Hydra is partially underwater between the two islands w/entrances on each island. I'm not saying that this is definitely so, but that it's a possibility. Having two islands involved would take care of two issues that've been raised--if the island is so huge as to accommodate all the action we've seen so far, how is it that it's remained invisible to the outside world? It's easier to hide more smaller things than one large thing. And if the Others' village is on a different island, it would explain why the Lostaways haven't found it (not that they've done much real exploring of their island as of yet).

#188. Posted by: Alais_Longthought at October 6, 2006 1:52 PM

Ethan Rom - How could he not have been having an affair with Juliet? "Fixing her pipes" seems a little to obvious - especially when set against the obvious animosity between her and Benry. "I guess I'm not invited to the book club" sounded a lot like a lover's spat. The themes of vindictive ex-lover were all over that episode with Jack's obsession. I haven't read "A Tale of Two Cities" but I'm wondering if there is a relationship there.

I thought it an interesting supposition that the islanders can't reproduce for some reason. Perhaps they ran experiments on Kate to see if she could carry a baby. Remember Claire and her baby when they took her to the hospital hatch. There's something weird about reproduction on the island.

Kudos to the Skinner references. I firmly believe that the Dharma Initiative had as one of its goals the study of utopian society. The concept of studying human behavior then makes a lot of sense. Love the conditioning box ideas as I also belive the "mind games" are intended to break these people.

Remember, the three they kept - Sawyer, Kate, and Jack - have the most resolve of the survivors. Jack is stubborn to a fault. Kate will follow you into war even after you've asked her to stay (where as Hurley is prone to avoid conflict, for example). Sawyer stole the guns and sat on them (literally) for a while against the entire camp's wishes. These are strong willed people and if the Others can break them of their will it says a lot about human nature.

Part of utopian concepts obviously involve behavioral conditioning. How else can you control society in order to make it utopian?

As for the question of linear time, etc.. I think that most defintiely we are not seeing things in a linear fashion. Certain things seemed to be put in there to convey that idea. The comment on the bears only taking 2 hours made me instantly wonder how long he had been at it for. I think that the Others definitely did something to Kate between the table and the cage - perhaps some conditioning (which would definitely make sense considering the look of shock on her face).

Finally... what's it called when a victim falls in love with their captor? There's a name for it. It happens a lot when kidnapping victims spend a long time with their captors. In fact, a similar thing appears to be happening in the new show "The Nine". Could it be that the Others are putting their captives through 2 weeks of torture in order to break them down and somehow make them loyal to them? Just a thought.

Ok.. back to work.

#189. Posted by: Stefan at October 6, 2006 1:55 PM

Funny stuff Mac. Funny stuff. ROTFLMAO. Wow, have I missed this...

#190. Posted by: BELost at October 6, 2006 1:55 PM

is it munchhowsen (sp?)

#191. Posted by: hg at October 6, 2006 1:59 PM

They are all on the same Island... remember when they pulled above the neighborhood to reveal that they were on the Island? You could clearly see the smoking plane wreckage on the far side of where they were.

#192. Posted by: AB at October 6, 2006 2:00 PM

Stockholm Syndrome.... that's what it's called!

From Wiki:

"The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28, 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.

It is sometimes referred to as Helsinki Syndrome; however, this may simply be due to the erroneous naming of the syndrome in popular media, for example by a news reader in the first Die Hard film."

Definitely seems like that's what is in store for Jack (re: staged escape and his rescue of Juliet, etc.). He's such a confused bleeding-heart. "Let Benry out of the gun closet... don't torture poor Benry... waaaaah!"

- S

#193. Posted by: Stefan at October 6, 2006 2:01 PM

Vikki - I am so very and completely sorry. I thought that people reading the comments would have noticed the same thing that I did: Several comments about the opening scene of season 3 when the camera panned out and showed the civilization, there were no children present as they watched the plane crash. I was simply trying to resolve that issue for those who were confused.

I apologize for your taking offense to my post as well as thinking that I would be ignorant enough to not recall the children on the plane, which also included a major character, Walt.

Should I decide to post here again, I promise to write a book for you and reference every comment I am responding to so you will not become confused in the future.

HAPPY FRIDAY1 :)

#194. Posted by: Paula at October 6, 2006 2:53 PM

This just in - Tale of Two Cities analysis:

From Wikipedia:
"The plot centers on the years leading up to French Revolution and culminates in the Jacobin Reign of Terror. It tells the story of two men, Charles Darnay and Sydney Carton, who look very alike but are entirely different in character. Darnay is a romantic descended from French aristocrats, while Carton is a cynical English barrister. The two are in love with the same woman, Lucie Manette: one of them will give up his life for her, and the other will marry her."

Two men looking very much alike but very different in character? Sound familiar? Don't we see shit like that all the time in Lost? How about Sarah's guy? Is there a reason why we are made to care so much about who he is? He is obviously very much a different character than Jack (since Sarah is leaving Jack's flawed character for his).

Did Jack essentially give up his life for this obsession with Sarah and her life post-breakup?

More from Wiki:

"The twists and turns in the novel are sinuous. Originally written as a serial novel for publication in newspapers, the chapters open and close with great drama and mystery. Dickens' take on the French Revolution is balanced - he describes the horrors and atrocities committed on both sides.

The two cities named in the title are London and Paris. Throughout the novel, pairs of people, places, etc. are compared and contrasted."

The writers have cited the practice of writing serial novels as an influence in their approach to writing Lost. I find this coincidence interesting, if a coincidence at all.

I also find it interesting that pairs of people, places, etc. are compared and contrasted. Makes me think of the duality of many of the characters on the island (and off... think Libby).

Is it time to go home yet?? Going to see Paul Simon tonight. Yay.

- S

#195. Posted by: Stefan at October 6, 2006 3:20 PM

A few have picked up on the "epidural" thing at about 27 mins in "Tale of two cities" but has anyone noticed the striking resemblence the guy in the hospital bed has to Zeke aka Mr friendly ?!!!!
Has he had a terminal illness?
Is he, like Locke cured? But only on the island. Is that why he is there?
Are we going to see a Zeke's eye view of the same scene in a later episode?

#196. Posted by: tepic at October 6, 2006 3:23 PM

WOW.
Loved the episode. Frustrated at the unanswered questions about it all. Missing the other cast members terribly. The wait 'til next Wednesday seems unbearable.

WOW. Didn't realize how bad I would miss you, MAC, until the well ran dry. Looong summer. Your reviews are as refreshing as that first cold drink of beer poured over ice cubes after a 90 degree summer day. The wait 'til next Thursday IS unbearable.

Re: backstories repeating info//
Perhaps the question we should be asking isn't-- why are the writers showing us more of what we 'know'(Jack's back story, etc.)-- but rather--what do the writers want us to understand more fully about (fill in the blank)when they do this? What is there that's new, or overlaid with a different music, or whatever...

Re: Kate in the cage//
Both my girlfriend and I instantly thought that Kate had been raped. Especially with Benry's creepy remarks about the dress she was wearing to remind her that she was a woman. (As if any of us could forget, right?)

However, no bruises showing on her arms, legs or torso, except for the bruised and bloody marks on her wrists suggest she was held down (while a painful medical procedure was done, perhaps?) while she struggled against whatever was being done. Remember Claire's complete hysteria when she was found after being kidnapped? We now will probably have Kate's flashbacks on what happened to her as the season progresses.

For Kate to be that trembly and weepy, however, abuse was definitely the first thing that we thought of. It seemed to us that Sawyer thought so too, and offered the only thing he had to give-the fish food-NOT because he thought she might be hungry but because he saw that she was so close to completely losing it. Nice move.

Also nice move for her to accept his offer-their bond is established; wonder how far it will go in the coming episodes.

Thank all you wonderful, intellligent posters, too, for coming back again this season and providing new views to this puzzle. You are all the best(!) and you make other sites' posters seem silly, and definitely not worth the time spent reading them.

What a hoot this all is!
Namaste to you all-

#197. Posted by: stontilam at October 6, 2006 3:28 PM

Thanks for the tip about the time on the posts Meg. I will use that.

#198. Posted by: El at October 6, 2006 3:52 PM

@Paula,

"Should I decide to post here again, I promise to write a book for you and reference every comment I am responding to so you will not become confused in the future."

Thanks, but that, and your sarcasm, won't be necessary. I just thought that since you directed your first comment soley to me with the premise of "I don't mean to be rude", and then proceeded to be that way, maybe you would know that in this forum things get mixed up and people sometimes get facts incorrect. Everyone is usually pretty understanding of this and we usually help each other to clear up confusion, rather than seek out ways to make each other feel bad, considering there is so much to keep track of. I felt as though your comment wasn't in the same spirit of helpfulness. And, I can see by your last posting that this must be the tone you would like to continue with in here. This disheartens me a bit as I have loved this blog since day one and have never had an experience like this.

I wish you a happy Friday in return, assuming that wasn't sarcastic either.

To everyone else, maybe I will see you all next week...

#199. Posted by: Vikki at October 6, 2006 3:59 PM

When reviewing the autopsy of Episode 1, I am reminded of an old Gold Rush saying, that it takes a ton of old dirt to find one gold nugget. S3#1 was mostly rehash of general information viewers knew from previous seasons about the passenger characters; flashbacks merely expanded or confirmed with additional back story lines. The focus should be on what was new and odd in the context of the past story.

When Juliet put the CD in the player, it was a blank. That means the music on it was burned or ripped from another CD or downloaded from music store like iTunes. That would mean that the Others have current technology to create music CDs. That also would infer that the Others have access to the internet. That access could only be from the transoceanic cable that Sayid found on the beach. That cable must be operational.

This one modern blank CD is lost in the rest of the technology of the show: the communication pad, the bear cage, the instruments in the hatches, have the signs and wear of 1950s-1970s military-industrial complex. The Others are using the technology gadgets of the 2000s, while the Dharma operations and technology are frozen in the 1970s. If Dharma still existed, one would assume that it would have updated its equipment and technology (especially if it was a research facility) to the modern day. Clearly, Dharma did not; and the hatches, equipment and facilities have the abandoned look of negligent time. I have come to the conclusion that the Others are not part of Dharma; the Others took over the abandoned Dharma island for the Others' own purposes.

There is only one clear character storyline which predates the arrival of 815 survivors: Desmond. In his story, he leaves the UK in search of wealth to win back his true love, but his would-be bride's father tries to bribe him to leave forever. When that fails, who would put it past a rich industrialized to take an unworthy suitor and put him in an island prison situation, and attempt mind control techniques to get him to abandon the industrialist's daughter forever?

So could the Others merely be a freelance, paramilitary camp counselors originally placed on the island to "fix" the Desmond problem? (The cohort in the hatch with Desmond was ex-CIA; and who has large abandoned military bases but the US government, who in turn have defense contracts with wealthy industrial companies.) So how bored would these professionals be trying and failing to crack the Desmond nut? Then suddenly, a whole bunch of new subjects fall right into their laps (island)? How could Henry/Ben not want to play with these new toys (passengers)?

This presupposes that the Lost episodes accurately reflect real events in real time. That is only one branch of the Lost mythology. The other branch is that the thread running through the characters are severe mental illness, medical conditions, drugs and criminal behavior. The episodes may be illusions or metaphors of one or more pyschotic patients at a hospital facility. The Others are really hospital orderlies. Ben and Juliet are real doctors, and the Lost cast are mental patients. (The Hugo and Libby backstory comes to mind.)

#200. Posted by: cyberbarf at October 6, 2006 4:22 PM

I wonder if Juliet and the "Others" have a file on everybody. At least on the 3 they have now. It seemed as if they knew a little bit about Michael when they were trying to make him obey their orders. They could have just gotten that info from Walt though.

I wonder how much they actually do know though. Jack's info could be found easy enough as previously mentioned.

Kate has an extensive criminal record (that by the way she hasn't discussed with everyone openly) so the Others could know she is a wanted criminal. Therefore they could have made her wear the cuffs as a way to break her spirit and remind her of where she came from before being on the island. They may even know that she was in cuffs when she arrived.

Sawyer may be harder to pull up a file on since he goes by a different name. But i think that Ms. Klugh gave Michael the name of James Ford on the list and he didn't know who it was at first. So, do they know he is a con-man? Maybe that is why they have him caged and working the gizmos to con his way into getting his food. It also shows him how his life of cons brought him to the island. He became the con man and now he is being conned or manipulated by the Others.

Jack's backstory shows us how his obsession drove him to the island. He inadvertently drove his dad back to drinking. Which caused him to go off on some kind of mission to Sydney. He was killed (or so we are led to believe) and Jack had to go find him and realize he drove him to this. Just like he drove Sarah into the arms of another man. Jack now sees he has driven his friends and himself into captivity by once again obsessing on Henry and wanting answers for everything when told to stay on your own side of the island. I know Michael led them there. But Jack was all to willing to be a part of finding Walt and fixing everyone's problems.

I think by only wanting to know if Sarah is happy now, after obsessing about the name of the man she left him for, is his way of saying he has let it go. There are more things to worry about now than "the name of the man who replaced him".

I also wonder if Henry/Ben will be easy on Jack since he was the one who helped him back at the hatch. Jack didn't want Henry to be beaten or left to bleed from the arrow in his shoulder. He was at least civil towards Henry. Gave him food and drink. Hopefully Henry will return the kindness.

#201. Posted by: Christina at October 6, 2006 4:36 PM

Can't wait for next weeks episode so I can read thru the Blog and enjoy the bickering of Vikki and Paula. Seriously girls, it is very entertaining - sort of like a drama in a drama.

#202. Posted by: ButchM at October 6, 2006 5:02 PM

this is my first time posting and i just want to say that i love these reviews.
Mac i am a huge fan and you reviews are awsome they help me to catch things i missed during the show.
Just wanted to say thanks and keep up the good work i look forward to you reviews every week

#203. Posted by: sawyer<3 at October 6, 2006 5:22 PM

Vikki and Paula - It's very hard to interpret emails, and they are so often misunderstood. I am sure the fact you are both on here shows you have something in common, and if you sttod face-to-face would probably be friends.

Back to Lost, I don't think cloning is it. Not sure why, but I just don't. There is most definitely one island. I feel confident about that. But, I do agree with the theory that these people cannot reproduce. There were NO children there already when the plane crashed (I thought I'd throw you with the use of the cas - but not on the preposition) and then the obsession WITH children (including Jin's baby all of a sudden).

Thanks mac for getting me through a Friday afternoon at work. :)

#204. Posted by: meg at October 6, 2006 5:30 PM

@sawyer<3 -- Welcome! I'm glad you enjoy the reviews, and thanks for taking the time to post.

@everyone else: I can't believe I forgot the Official Blog Greeting/Sign-Off!

WGNABB and Namaste! -- mac

#205. Posted by: mac at October 6, 2006 5:34 PM

Christina - I really like the idea of the Others knowing that Kate is a criminal and that putting her back in handcuffs would be a degregation in itself.

#206. Posted by: aecookie at October 6, 2006 5:44 PM

I felt the same way Mike NYC did... the first few minutres were awesome, but after that the show was pretty mediocre... definitely not one of the best, and without the first few minutes it would have been one of the worst.

Of course, being one of the worst on this show is still pretty good.

The Jack melodrama stuff with his father is nothing less than boring and, as someone else noted, added nothing new of interest.

This show was saved by the fact that we now have setups and situations to imagine and look forward to. Little actually happened that was compelling.

#207. Posted by: Matt L. at October 6, 2006 6:34 PM

althought i have been reading there reviews for a while i think i may have missed something could somebody please fill me in on what WGNABB means
Thanks

#208. Posted by: sawyer<3 at October 6, 2006 7:05 PM

Meg, thanks for helping to keep things light and for bringing me back down to Earth....It was getting a little too serious for me there too...

sawyer<3 - WGNABB means "we're gonna need a bigger boat," a line from Jaws. I believe it got started in this forum during season one when Jin, Sawyer, Michael and Walt set out on the raft...but thinng could probably better explain it, as I believe he or she was the one who started it...to my knowledge, WGNABB was never in a Lost episode...

Did anyone notice the numbers on Jack's beeper in this episode? I think it was 7-15-22...since when is 7 one of the numbers??? Maybe I saw it wrong? There was also another filled in crossword puzzle in the same shot, but I have yet to go back and see what all the clues said...

#209. Posted by: Vikki at October 6, 2006 7:28 PM

We're going to need a bigger boat.

#210. Posted by: El at October 6, 2006 7:34 PM

Hi agian,

After thinking about Lost AGAIN today while at work, I came up with these points for you to ponder:

1) @carkey, I thought Juliet said "Thanks, Brad.", not Ben. But I'm sure I heard that wrong.

2) I agree that something happened to Kate between the beach and the cage. But am I right that even tho she was crying and her wrists were all messed up, eluding to a strugle of some sort, her dress was not dirty or messed up! Hmmm...

3) Did anyone get a screen cap of the Jack's file that Juliet was looking at? At one point, she lifts up the top page on her right hand side, and there were a lot of words on there. I was wondering if anyone got a view of that.

@Paula & Vikki
Come on girls. :-) We are all here for the same reason; to enrich our knowledge of this darn addicting show and Mac's kicka** recaps! If we're gonna rip on someone, let's rip on Benry instead of each other!

Namaste my fellow Lost pals!

#211. Posted by: Sara at October 6, 2006 8:01 PM

Desertrat- great comparison to the bower!

Anyway, I think one possible way to think of the Others is to think of them as more sophisticated Losties. Meaning they were a part of the Dharma initiative which has long been defunct (I think that's been established, right?). Juliet may represent the change necessary to move on from the past, from the constant experimentation. Ben still seems to be caught up in the old ways of Dharma. There seems to be a split between the Others camp, and a lot of what's going on with the Flight 815 crew would have gone on between The Others, or will be going on. Struggles for supremecy, deceit, personal metamorphosis. The surviving passengers (that we've met), as we all know, all have personal demons that continue to pursue them on the island- the ultimate goal, moreso than going back home, is starting over and forgiving the past.

For me the ultimate question is "who will find it in them to make the necessary changes and who will be doomed to live in the past?" and "Will their change or lack of change be for better or for worse?" This makes me sad because it seems Sawyer will be among the people doomed to live in their past selves. :( ...I think Sawyer in one of the eps said something along the lines of "Because I'm not a good person...."

As far as the food Sawyer learned to get- what is in that food? I can't magine it's JUST food. (the caps weren't meant to be rude, but to place emphasis, as I cannot use italics...I swear!)

cyberarf- I like this person's idea of The Others being replacements for the original Dharma initiative members. Could it have something to do with Rousseau and her crew? Or something to do with Mittlework taking over control of the Hanso Foundation?

Vikki- good catch on the beeper numbers. As we've learned from the Lost Experience, the numbers are a part of the valenzetti (or, whatever!) equasion. The original objective of the Dharma Initiative was to break the equasion... could the beeper be foreshadowing to one of the people who holds the key to break the equasion? The show seems to be driven, cursed by the numbers!

#212. Posted by: Phil at October 6, 2006 9:31 PM

I've missed you over the summer Mac. Thanks for you hilarious as always comments, I look foreward to these almost as much as I look foreward to new episodes!

#213. Posted by: Kate at October 6, 2006 10:25 PM

The Hydra may have been designed to test some very highly intelligent animals.

Assuming the bear cage was for bears, the bear puzzle is an extraordinarily complicated mechanism for normal bears to master and was obviously designed for abnormally intelligent bears. Imporantly, the large button (which was obviously designed to withstand bear punishment) was marked with a fork and knife symbol. This symbol would not be recognized by normal bears. On the other hand, bears whose intelligence had been enhanced might have a hope recongizing the symbols. Dharma bears mastered the puzzle in two hours. Maybe they even use knifes and forks.

Now to the Dolphin/Shark aquarium. The microphne was on the water side of the glass (the other side had regular doors for humans). Humans could not use the microphone when submerged in water, at least not very well. Dolphins, on the other hand, could. The activation button is big enough to be manipulated by the nose of a dolphin.

Did you notice the microphone was labeled "COMUNICATE". Not a way I would label a microphone for a human. This microphone could be a highly interactive form of a flash card to teach dolphins the meaning of the word communicate. Finally, the human side had a pretty sophicated sound system, perhaps to facilitate human-dolphin verbal communication.

Maybe the hydra was a facility to test the results of intelligence enhancement experiments on animals.

#214. Posted by: Marcel at October 7, 2006 12:52 AM

Can someone PLEASE explain what the hell
"Putting the lotion in the basket"
means?!
It's killing me!!!

PS. Sawyer and Kate will NOT get together.

No. Way.

Jack and Kate forever.

#215. Posted by: ellie at October 7, 2006 1:59 AM

Alais_Longthought : Nope, the Others' village is not on a different island. Just before the first commercial break, there's a wide shot that clearly shows the village and further down the beach you can see the smoke rising from the plane wreckage.

I totally agree it isn't realistic to think that none of the survivors would have stumbled onto the village by now. Judging by the aforementioned wide shot, plus Benry's statement (if you run, you can get there in an hour) it's really that far away. And for God's sake Rousseau would definitely have found it by now.


#216. Posted by: Luke Cordoba at October 7, 2006 2:08 AM

Sawyer, Kate & Jack are the three most Dynamic characters. They cause change. THAT's what Benry doesn't like. On the other hand, Sayid is the most dangerous 815er, but then he'll spend days and days working with bamboo, electronics, or dance instructors. He's more mellow like that! You look at the survivors that weren't taken, you see a bunch of people who don't "step up" very often.

And on that note, Jack's not really a leader. He's a doctor. So he's used to giving commands with confidence. It's not that Jack's such a great leader - it's just that the others are follwers. A theme that will be interesting to watch played out with Benry's people, later on. But Juliet is a change agent, which is why she's attracted to Jack. (But did anyone else notice she burned the grilled cheeze a little bit? Like the muffins.)

Someone said there might be underground tunnels and the cloud tried to drag Locke into one? That made me remember Benry telling Locke he came to get Locke, because he's one of the good ones. Maybe the security system was trying to take Locke 'home'.

The "escape" attempts could definitely be staged. One failed attempt could make any captive less eager to try again.

I think handcuffs just chafe, period. Remember Jin cuffed to the fuselage in season one? He just stood there, and it started rubbing him raw after a while. And I think Kate was too distrubed to eat. She looked genuinely hungry when she bit into that chalk-cake.

At the start I noticed they'd seperated our three survivors. So I was surprised they put Kate near Sawyer at the end. Maybe they only have so many cage-like places to put people.

The room Jack's in doesn't have to be made for on-purpose flooding. The doorway is to get cleaning equipment into the tank on occasion, after draining it.

Doctor Daddy's body wasn't in his coffin (season one). So maybe he's alive somewhere... maybe he stayed in Sydney & faked his own death. But I doubt we'll see undead spirits added to this mix. The voice Jack "heard" on the intercom was his own audio halucination, brought on by the tazer from last episode.

I think the Others' Utopia village is definitely on the Island. But the word "ferry" does imply a short trip. So the Palla Ferry must go somewhere close by, right? (I hadn't thought of that, last season.)

Juliet's CD player means that someone's been to the island since at least 1989 (or so). And Desmond's Hatch mentor (whatzisname) was CIA in 1991 (desert storm), so Dharma was still recruiting in the early 90's, at least.

The Jack file could be real (If so, how'd they get an up to date autopsy report? THAT wouldn't be on the 'net! THAT would mean somebody's going back and forth, regularly!) Or, the file could be fake (as others have mentioned here).

The fun part is that we don't know. Everything the others do could be theater! The escape attempts may or may not be real, the line Henry says about two weeks may just be a bluff. We have no idea!

And so much of what these characters say to each other proves that same theory.

We have no idea, when we meet someone, what kind of an iceberg we're staring at the tip of. (Lord help us all!)

Masterful job, Lost writers.

Fantastic!

#217. Posted by: Herobill at October 7, 2006 2:17 AM

this is probably just me but my 1st impression was ethan was juliets brother, the way he did her pipes was a brotherly fashion plus when the book club came they where using patronizing tones like ethan wern't there equal.

#218. Posted by: maestr06 at October 7, 2006 3:13 AM

Hello Lost Fanatics, FWIW here is some info about alcoholism.

"Friends of Bill W." is a sort of code that alcholics in recovery sometimes use for each other so as to preserve, or give the appearance of preserving, their anonymity.

I know the woman at the meeting was being used as an expositive role (so we'd know Christian has 50 days sober) but her disclosing what Jack's father had been talking about in meetings would be considered very bad form. Not that
sober alcoholics don't screw up, but still...

Alcholism is a disease. It's been defined as such by the AMA for 50 years. One of the hallmarks of the disease is the obsession of the mind for alcohol.
Now, it doesn't surprise me that Jack doesn't either know about alcoholism or perhaps accept the obvious that his dad is an alcholic. Outside of some shrinks and those in the recovery field it seems like many doctors lack education in this area. But it does show yet another place where Jack is just plain wrong.

Yeah, Jack is upset already, and has father issues (the whole fricken SHOW is about peoples' father issues, nes pas?) but the "you're not obsessed you're a drunk" line is still ignorant. You would think that a doctor who's father is an alcholic would be better informed.

Most alcholics are functioning and can hold down a job or manage a home, albeit with more and more negative consequences as the disease progresses. Here we get to see Jack's dad move into the late stages of alcoholism, where it's no longer possible to hold down that job and often the drinking then becomes more-or-less continuous. We don't know if this was Christian's first attempt at AA, but many alcholics will not give AA a try until that job or a relationship is seriously threatened.

If they don't commit suicide, or an "accident" while drunk, or die of liver disease or pancreatitus, a common cause of death for alcholics is heart attack.

Christian talked about how he was too weak to call his son. Alcholics in recovery suggest calling one another alcholic for support, but there is a trope among them about "the 500lb telephone"...that is, that even though they know what to do it can be really, really hard to pick up that phone.

8 days + 42 days = 50 days.

I'm so sorry you didn't make it, Christian. I know how you feel.

Love,

Rimothy

"What the hell is going *on* here?" --Jack

P.S. Speaking of names, who was the "Christian Sheapard"? Same as the Lamb of G-d? Didn't Jack find only an empty tomb, err, casket? I think Chris will rise from the dead...

#219. Posted by: Rimothy at October 7, 2006 6:26 AM

Hey mac,
been a fan scince mid season 2 an love getting my weekly fix and catching anything i may have missed. Just a quick note to all the other U.k fans who come on here there is no need to wait till 2007 to see season 3 it's fairly easy to find online. I know i couldn't wait another 5 months to see it.

Namste

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#221. Posted by: m1j2a at October 7, 2006 8:18 AM

@ellie...
"It puts the lotion in the basket" is probobly the third most quoted line from Silence of the Lambs. (after "Hello Clarrise" and the ever famouse fava bean line) Mac used it in his re-story telling beautifully...go rent the movie, re-read this episode re-cap and you'll laugh out loud with the rest of us!
Sillygirl0630

#222. Posted by: sillygirl0630 at October 7, 2006 8:21 AM

Since S3#1 was a Jack heavy episode, I have searched other Lost web blogs to see what other fans have focused on. On the lost.cubit.net's Investigations Page, where screenshots from the episode are dissected, there has been some heavy commentary on the meaning of Jack's crossword puzzle next to his beeper and hospital name tag. The posters have been focusing in on the inked words which allegedly Jack would have used to solve the puzzle. But if one is looking for hidden easter eggs, the most obvious but overlooked aspect of that screenshot was at the bottom of the newspaper page: answers to previous puzzle! What was the biggest puzzle at the end of Season 2? Who are the Others?!
And here are my list of the words printed in the "Answers to Previous Puzzle" section:
Across:
bassets clarion
allhere lesabre
breakingintoasweat
bop satirist gnc
asta limes cyto
geico nit shoes
ennobled proust
neal asto
holism assassin
ayote gnp settle
seve urged so??
pre apairoe
usingonesm??
lenient
lessees

Down:
babbage
alrosen
sleptin
sma
eens
trial
sentinel
timed
closet
leafs
assay
raw
ibegyou
orantes
netcost
aconite
chooses
obsese
pss
angie
sto?
it?
ne?
haspull
oversee
loveins
upone
dum?
srias
aspers
agree nis


Are these answers/words to the previous puzzle real clues?

#223. Posted by: cyberbarf at October 7, 2006 10:52 AM

WONDERFUL commentary as ALWAYS to go with a magnificent and surprising premiere ..

a scoop for you guys, a guest-star is going to be on at some stage, none other than the teen kid off War of the Worlds! I only have a photo of him, nothing story-based so dont worry .. but check his t-shirt!

http://i12.tinypic.com/4d4xsg8.jpg

eat THAT, lost theorists!

#224. Posted by: Diddy at October 7, 2006 1:26 PM

I can see you guys are a little altered this week...RELAX, please. They're showing just 6 episodes, aren't they? let's just enjoy them, I'm sure that there'll be enough answers and questions for everybody.
Mac, what can I say... you're better than the series itself, there are 1002 gorillas laughing around me!
And as a present, the beginning of the book this ep is named after...maybe there's some clue, maybe there's not, but I've always loved it:

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity . . . " Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities.

#225. Posted by: Mj at October 7, 2006 3:58 PM

Can someone provide more info on the valenzetti (sp?) equation/numbers and the theory behind it? I didn't get that far in the Lost experience game this summer....thanks!

#226. Posted by: Vikki at October 7, 2006 4:22 PM

Mac, please punish Mj21a for posting completely unrelated poker ads to the blog. Thanks!

#227. Posted by: chimowicz at October 7, 2006 6:05 PM

Just stumbled upon your site, great job.
Two points, if I may:
1. I believe Sarah never cheated on Jack, hence the "Let it go" response he keeps getting. He suspects her for nothing and that is why his loved ones try to help him.
It's a little similar to Hugo's questionable perception of reality as seen with his imaginary friend.

2. In the begining of season 1, a woman disappeared in the ocean. Was it possible that she was simply taken by the others as well? Maybe the shark was involved?

#228. Posted by: Eliram at October 7, 2006 6:44 PM

What in the heck do these long lists have to do with anythig?

#229. Posted by: meg at October 7, 2006 9:30 PM

Vikki- go to this link [http://tinyurl.com/ruj8b] which goes to a specific page of E!online's Kristen's chat page. At the very bottom she provides links to a couple of the videos that the Lost Experience ultimately directed people to. There they give some insight on Alvar Hanso and the Hanso Foundation (which is really just mellowdramatic cheese, but mildly enjoyable), and on the equasion.


by the way, this is just an observation that could mean something, could mean nothing:

15-8=7...
the beeper numbers could have been saying that Jack is taking a step backwards from his emotional progression.

8+42=50 (as Rimothy illuminated in an insightful earlier comment):
50 days Jack's dad was sober- which is a step forward.

Significant? Probably not, who knows!

#230. Posted by: Phil at October 7, 2006 9:37 PM

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0593310/filmoseries#tt0108757

This could mean nothing, but imdb, only lists Elizabeth Mitchell a.k.a Juliet to appear for four episodes

#231. Posted by: Jawad at October 8, 2006 4:30 AM

The fact that Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet) is only listed for 4 episodes doesn't mean anything. IMDB can't predict the future.

She'll probably appear in 4 out of the first 6 episodes before the mid-season break. (The other two episodes will probably focus on the Losties' camp, the survivors from the Hatch explosion, and Sayid, Jin and Sun.) I'm certain we'll see more of Juliet when the season resumes in early 2007.

A lot of people seem let down by the fact that we didn't learn much about the main characters this episode. All we really learned about Jack is that he may have pushed his father back to drinking, and that Jack's wife was NOT having an affair with his father. (This is news to me, because I was part of the group that thought Christian was the lead suspect for cheating with Jack's wife.)

However, we did learn a LOT about a main character this episode -- Juliet. Her "interrogation" of Jack (when he was being stubborn in the aquarium) told us more about her than it did about him. And the fact that she apparently has a different (strained) relationship with Benry than the other Others sets her up as a very intriguing character.

I really like Juliet, and I look forward to seeing more of her in future episodes.

#232. Posted by: BJ Nemeth at October 8, 2006 5:32 AM

Thanks so much, Phil...I will check it out now

#233. Posted by: Vikki at October 8, 2006 2:15 PM

I like Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet much better than when she was Kerry Weaver's gay girlfriend on ER. If you love Elizabeth, check out the movie "Gia" where she co-starred with Anjelina Jolie. It's hot!

#234. Posted by: Luke Cordoba at October 9, 2006 1:50 AM

I found the parallel interesting between Sarah telling Jack, "It only matters who you're not." and Juliet saying, "It doesn't matter who we were. It only matters who we are."

#235. Posted by: solost at October 9, 2006 10:17 AM

First time poster.. long time reader. Love your stuff, macinator. Here is my $0.02 worth on the plane busting up. Don't recall seeing this theory yet, but it appears that 'Smokey the security monster' may have busted the plane up. The screenshot below 'could' be interpreted as plane engine smoke, but in a series it appears the smoke is consistant with normal plane 'wash', then suddenly out of nowhere this big black cloud appears, seems to grab hold of the tail and pull it off! Then the plane busts up! Seems somewhat logical to ass/u/me that an island security system would have some type of range to go after things over the island, as well as on it.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1163&pos=55

#236. Posted by: Saminator at October 9, 2006 11:34 AM

Re: Jack not recognizing his father’s cell number. I consider myself techno-nube, but I believe a call-forwarding function is available on most cell phones & land lines. This is a common tack taken by persons who want to route phone calls away from a line shared with another. For example, imagine you are planning a secretive move away from an abusive spouse & are waiting for a landlord to return you call about housing availability. You could forward calls to another number during the day to avoid the spouse receiving this call or hearing a recorded message. This is also a common practice used by M.D.s who are on call. Fewer & fewer M.D.s are carrying pagers these days because of the multiple functions offered by the newer cell phones. It is possible that Christian had a phone line with which Jack was not familiar, perhaps deliberately kept secret, that was forwarded to his cell.
Whether or not there was an affair between Christian & Sarah, I believe the writers want to keep us guessing. It seems that there was some type of relationship. He selected the name “Sarah” for Ana Lucia’s pseudonym, & I find that hard to be simply coincidental.
Are there any theories about the post-Dharma commune & Kelvin the interrogator? The Others appear to experimenting with interrogation techniques/breaking their captives down. Very different approaches are taken with the different prisoners. Could Kelvin & the Others be related? He referred to them as the “hostiles,” but was that only to keep Desmond away from them?
Another question: Is the whole “contamination” scare a rouse that was cooked up by the psychologists who stationed at the island so that they could remain following the completion of the project and begin their “utopian society?” If they claimed that they were contaminated with some sort of virus, the Hanso Foundation may have been obligated to sustain them on the island with food/supply drops, and they would want to keep it quiet/cover it up. This theory may be a bit over-the-top, but “Ben” seems like just the conniving type that would find a way to find a way to 1.) start his own society by convincing the members that a.) they were infected & could not leave, and/or b.) the could start their own socialist society based on free-will.
2.) Find a way to fund his chosen lifestyle through extortion
3.) Keep his society a secret & stay in power, again by extortion.
Just my two cents on the subject.
And to “Biohazard,” please do not apologize for posting crazed theories; crazed theories make the blog go ‘round!

#237. Posted by: soveryhooked at October 9, 2006 12:03 PM

On a lighter note, how about this .... Now that we know HGs real first name is Ben, wouldn't it be a hoot if his last name turned out to be Dover..... Ben Dover .... go ahead ... say it fast :-) Maybe that would be an indication as to the nature of the 2 very 'unpleasant' weeks he alluded to when talking with Kate.

#238. Posted by: Saminator at October 9, 2006 12:45 PM

Juliet is definitely the chick who threw that make shift grenade onto the raft that carried Michael, Walt, Jin and Sawyer at the end of season one. She helped in Walt's abduction.

#239. Posted by: JAC at October 9, 2006 12:54 PM

Mac - I would like to request that you continue to refer to Tom as "Zeke". It's a much more fitting name for him.

Great review - welcome back!!!

#240. Posted by: James at October 9, 2006 1:43 PM

the Other who plays adam is actually the show producer stephen semel

#241. Posted by: maestr06 at October 9, 2006 4:12 PM

Hi JAC,

Hate to be the monkey in your wrench, but, the woman that threw the makeshift bomb on Michael's raft was not Juliet. 2 completely different looking women.

#242. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 9, 2006 4:51 PM

I don't think I saw this mentioned above (its hard to tell with so many responses)...

As the first scene ends and the camera does further and further away shots of the village on the island, the very last shot shows serveral (maybe 6) smoke trails leaving the island shooting up into the sky off in the distance. To me it looked like smoke trails of missles or something.

Was something fired into the air when the plane came down?

#243. Posted by: Jer at October 9, 2006 5:08 PM

Hi everyone,

I LOVE this blog! This is my first post here, though I've been following this blog since Season 2. Mac's comments are witty and insightful. I like the recap, but best of all, I LOVE the droll commentary!

It's also great that this blog is open for people to post about the show. Note: about the SHOW. Not about a poster's sick dog, or a poster's new hairdo, or some poster has a birthday or someone getting upset about Sudan... this excessive "off-topic" crap ruined the official ABC Lost Forum.

Mac, please don't let off-topic dorks ruin this blog, too! This one is PERFECT as-is!

Anyway, I'm glad to see that someone discussed the idea of the bears being able to activate the 3 gizmos in the Skinner box in 2 hours. I've been search ALL OVER for some commentary about that, and how a bear is supposed to know how to find a rock outside the bars, pull it through into the cage, step on the foot pedal, put the rock on top of it, go over to the opposite side of the cage, press the button AND reach up and pull the lever. Maybe a bear is taller than Sawyer, so it can press the button AND pull the lever simultaneously, but the rock-on-foot-pedal is a LOT to ask.

Maybe: 1) Sawyer was on to something, asking about how MANY bears were in the cage. That way, one could sit on the foot pedal, and the other could press button/pill lever?

2) It was Zeke/Tom Friendly's way of deflating Sawyer's ego, hoping to make him feel that he's dumber than a bear.

#244. Posted by: Z at October 10, 2006 1:38 AM

Sorry if this was noted above and I missed it.

When Jack is leaving police station, having been bailed out, the bulletin board in the background appeared to have a "wanted" poster with Hurley's picture on it ... at least it looked like his hair.

Anyone see it?

#245. Posted by: Wormwood at October 10, 2006 10:54 AM

Forget Jate and Swate (Jack/Kate and Sawyer/Kate). Any votes for Paulikki?

Nice job mac. Do you stay up after the show to get through one draft and then review and edit in the AM or do you let all those thoughts fester all night and just do it all the next day. How do you sleep? You sleep with a pen and pad next to your bed on Wednesday nights don't you? Brilliant in either case!!

It’s amazing how a brilliant three minutes of television effects your overall perception of the show. Overall I thought that it was a little slow to develop and didn’t move our understanding of the Others along enough. But, on the bright side, the slow speed of this episode does help heighten the drama for the rescue. Not that we really needed any more hate for the Others or the sympathy for the plight of Jack, Sawyer and Kate, but this episode does help set that up nicely. I do wish there was more manpower and firepower back in the Losties camp. We got a little taste with the preview for next week, but a rescue party of Sayid, Jin and Sun with Charlie, Hurley and Benard providing ground support isn't going to turn out well...I hope they figure out what happened to Locke and Eko before they take on the Others.

#246. Posted by: Jason H at October 10, 2006 11:05 AM

@Jason H -- Glad you like the review. In seasons past I would watch the show and then stay up until the wee hours of the morning working on a first draft, but now that I'm older and more feeble, I type up notes before bed and then write the full review on Thursday. It's a *much* better schedule. --mac

#247. Posted by: mac at October 10, 2006 11:10 AM

Woohoo! Nice to have Lost and Mac's blog back. Nice recap as always, Mac. I, for one, liked the episode. The argument that a particular episode did not advance the story enough is getting tired. This is what the show is! It's partly plot driven and partly character driven. (Some of you sound like Milhouse van Houten crying, "When are they going to get to the fireworks factory!") This episode was mostly about Jack's obsession with his ex-wife and father and his having to accept the idea of futility, both over his wife and being held prisoner. But the episode also advanced the island mythology. We saw where the others live and that they are, in fact, quite civilized and living with 21st century technology. We met a new major character, Juliet (played nicely by Elizabeth Mitchell, who I believe was credited in the opening with the regular cast members, not as a "guest star" if that means anything). And we saw another hatch, the Hydra, and some bear cages. So, relaxxxx everybody; the answers will come. Be patient. Did you really think they were going to answer Michael's S2 finale question, "Who are you people?" in the S3 opener? Did you really want them to? I think people have mostly dissected the episode to death, so I don't have much more to add other than what's up with the huge pine tree in the middle of the others' village? I don't think pines are native to the South Pacific. And finally... Paula- be nice; Vikki's been here a long time and we all appreciate her comments.

#248. Posted by: Bees at October 10, 2006 12:57 PM

@Bees -- You bring up an excellent point about the "advancement" argument. I generally stay out of the debate, but this is something I've actually given a lot of thought (as opposed to everything else).

Now, I have a ton of faith in the "Lost" producers and I hold out hope that the sum total of the entire series will eventually culminate in an appropriate and entertaining manner. But, chances are, this isn't going to happen. Ending things is incredibly hard, and, moreover, there's absolutely no way the show can end in a way that pleases everyone. Someone, somewhere, is going to have a problem with it.

So, what are we, the devoted audience, left to do?

We can enjoy the moment.

I think back on seasons 3-5 of the "X-Files." The show was at the top of its game and each week was must-see viewing for millions. It was an absolute joy to tune in and see how things were progressing. The fun was in the moment and in the conjecture about "what's going to happen."

Unfortunately, the "X-Files" petered out because Fox wanted its cash cow to continue beyond the end of its normal story arc ... and I could see the same thing happening with "Lost." But does that preclude us from enjoying the moment? Does the possibility of it not all ending in a nice tidy package prevent us from loving what we're seeing *right now*? I certainly hope not.

So in regards to "advancement," I do understand the point and there are times where I, too, feel things are moving at a languid pace. But "Lost," like all good TV shows, is a creative endeavor and there are natural ebbs and flows to that creativity. If we were presented with an "all-your-questions-are-answered" show, I'd be the first calling bullshit. Where's the fun in that?

One final thing: I *do* agree with the folks who think the Jack backstory has been played out. Just as they did with Kate, it's time to put Jack's angsty history on the back burner. -- mac

#249. Posted by: mac at October 10, 2006 1:09 PM

MAC & BEES:

I agree with both of you on many pojnts. I hope ABC does the right thing and lets the creators of the show end it at the appropriate time. I was a huuuuuuuuuge X-Files fan - right up until they introduced us to what's name and what's her face. When that happened it wasa slow and painful process to watch. I have to admit though that as a loyal fan I stayed until the end, just for a sense of full closure, but when I buy the DVD sets I am leaving those last 2 seasons off the list.

Even if they ruin LOST I'll probably continue to watch until the bitter end, that's what true fans do. We'll cry and moan about the demise of our favorite show but much like JETS fans,we're not going anywhere.

#250. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 10, 2006 1:22 PM

...the same applies to us METS fans too, Mr. Grimm... :)

I caught that up there, Jason H... :)

Thanks to you too, Bees :)

WGNABB!

#251. Posted by: Vikki at October 10, 2006 1:58 PM

It looks like next week's episode centers a lot on Jin/Sun's backstory, and hopefully we'll get some answers about Locke's fate after the hatch blew up. Here is a link to over 20 still shots supposedly found during next week's episode: http://television.aol.com/feature/lost_tv/photo_galleries

(I hope the link didn't screw anything up. I don't know what constitutes a "super-long" URL, Mac.) :)

#252. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 10, 2006 2:00 PM

To all who believe the cause is hopeless and agony awaits, I bring news of a miracle ... A LEGITMATE MIRACLE.

As a die-hard, borderline psychotic Red Sox fan, I know all too well what it's like to invest every ounce of your being into something and then have it ripped from you chest and burned with a blowtorch and then flushed down a dingy toilet. But friends, I'm here to tell you that in that glorious moment when it all comes together -- when all the wrongs of the past are turned on their head and divine intervention reaches down to push things in your favor -- in that moment I can assure you that every single moment of heartache is worth it. EVERY ... SINGLE ... MOMENT.

If you can't give everything you've got, you'll never get that moment.

What this has to do with "Lost" I don't know, but I relish any opportunity to talk about the '04 Sox ;) -- mac

#253. Posted by: mac at October 10, 2006 2:07 PM

So glad the show and these reviews are back! The episode was awesome and as always, the reviews and commentary are better. Keep it up, Mac....shove it, Boring!

OK, a few thoughts here: First, Jack was spying on his cheating wife in the school yard before the scene in the lawyer's office, and he caught a "moment" between her and her new stud. So what would make him jump to the conclusion that she was shhtooping (sp?) Christian when he called Christian's cell phone while scouring the cell phone records? At that point, he already knew what McDreamy LOOKED like, he just didn't know his name...unless he thought she was ALSO two-timing his father. Wow, she must have been one busy cat!

On the same topic, if he was successful in getting Sarah's cell phone bill (which he apparently was) then why wouldn't he just look at the inbound calls that she got during the time they were sitting in the lawyer's office? I know my carrier lists every call, whether it's inbound or outbound. Then, all he'd have to do is make one call and ask "Who dis?" when McDreamy answered. I think the writers are clearly leading us down a path.

Also, does anyone else see a cat fight in the near future between Vikki & Paula....errr, I mean, Kate & Juliet?

Final note: my use of caps are intended for emphasis, not yelling.

Artie Rocks!

WGNABB, Namaste.

#254. Posted by: socompletelylost at October 10, 2006 2:11 PM

It's clear who the Lostie to make a deal with the Others is...it's Kate. There was no struggle for her at the beach, and I'm sure she ate all the McGriddles she could get her cuffed hands on (and, yes, a singular McGriddles is called a McGriddles, Mac!)

Kate is putting on the act for Sawyer and the gang because she sees more of an opportunity with the Others than her "friends". What does she have to look forward to getting off the island for. I'm sure Benry offered her something on that island that she can't get off of it.

Jack is such a sally. Hope they have some Darma tissues for him.

#255. Posted by: Chez - Z at October 10, 2006 7:49 PM

I read or heard somewhere that the creators do have the whole story loosely mapped out. And that they figured they could wrap it all up in as little as 3 years or could stretch it out to as much as 5 or 6 depending on the show's popularity. It would seem we're probably looking at the 5 to 6 year run. I also heard that the creators don't want it to drag on any more than that, regardless of the ratings. So that would put us about 1/3 of the way through the story. Anyone else hear about this?

#256. Posted by: Bees at October 10, 2006 9:03 PM

@Chez - Z: Thanks for the clarification on McGriddle vs. McGriddles. "Fast Food Nation" has kept me miles away from fast food, so I'm rusty on my McDonalds parlance ;)

@Bees -- I've heard the same thing about 5 -6 seasons. That certainly feels like a correct trajectory. Unfortunately, the end of a show is rarely dictated by the storytellers. In most cases, they get cancelled before the story concludes, but in rarer cases (like the "X-Files") they perpuate well beyond the story's parameters.

In fact, I have a hard time thinking of many mythology-based shows that have ended in a natural way. "Buffy" is the only one I can think of that, to me, ended on the proper note (I absolutely loved the "Buffy" series finale). Beyond that, I can't really think of any series that came to a fitting close. Anyone got one? -- mac

#257. Posted by: mac at October 10, 2006 9:22 PM

Hey Mac,

I've got a show for you that closed appropriately after it's full run - BABYLON 5. That series was envisioned by it's creator to run for 5 years and the entire series covered the mythology introduced in the first. There were of course a handful of episodes that deviated from the shows central story arc but Michael J. Strazinsky (please excuse me if I misspelled his last name) was able to keep the themes and mythology introduced in the first season running for the entire 5 years, and at the end he was able to tie (almost) everything into a nice neat bow.

Any thoughts?

#258. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 11, 2006 9:23 AM

@Mr. Grimm -- Ah yes, "Babylon 5." Totally forgot about that one. I was never a "Babylon" fan, but I remember hearing about MJS' 5-year plan and the excellent execution of that plan.

I wonder, however, if "Babylon" could have worked on a network. It probably wouldn't have attracted a big enough audience to justify its existence on one of the Big Four. That's why I'm so happy that "Battlestar Galactica" is a Sci-Fi show. It's a fantastic series, but the sci-fi element doesn't attract the huge numbers networks require.

But thanks for the example, Mr. Grimm. That's a good one! -- mac

#259. Posted by: mac at October 11, 2006 9:35 AM

Thanks Mac - Fyi though - B5 did start on the one of the Big 4 - NBC - but lasted there only one season - then it was picked up by SciFi - Thank God. IMHO the SciFi channel has saved some great quality shows that would have never made it on network TV.

#260. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 11, 2006 9:51 AM

Anyone else doing the "happy dance" at their desks at work today, knowing that tonight is Wednesday night? ;-)

#261. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 11, 2006 2:00 PM

Some of us have been burning up the bandwidth over the summer chasing down the multiple clues of "the Lost Experience". It all ended up in a 'filmstrip' supposedly revealing the true purpose of the Dharma foundation, with sidenotes such as the meaning of the six numbers.

For those for whom the show begins and ends with the TV series, would it be appropriate to post a brief summary of the revelations learned in the game?

Mac, I'll hold off for a ruling on this from you. And you might decide whether posting here or in another discussion might be the appropriate place.

Other folks - some of the revelations might be considered "spoilers". What do you think?

#262. Posted by: Cecil Rose at October 11, 2006 2:22 PM

Yup! It's the first thing I thought about this morning. I've rewatched the last episode almost two times already! Looking forward to mac's review tomorrow as well...to kill some time at work tomorrow.

I wonder if these tv shows and blogs have a negative impact on the US (and world-wide seeing some of you folks abroad)work force production...:)

#263. Posted by: meg at October 11, 2006 2:25 PM

Cecil Rose - I'll admit that I fell short of the Lost Experience online. I tried to get into it, but didn't have as much computer time to devote. If Mac's cool with it, just know that you have one big vote of approval for any info you can provide. (I feel ashamed and remiss for not already being more aware of what was discovered over the summer.) Thanks for the offer!

#264. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 11, 2006 2:33 PM

Grimm

Same chick. I'm telling you. And even if its not they don't look completely different. Two blonde women of average height and weight witht he same skin coloring. Could be easily confused. But I'm pretty sure I'm right so I'm checking tonight. If you're right I'll admit it. But if you're wrong prepare to be flamed until the end of time. Mac, you rule, but the Red Sox suck. Yankees fan forever.
JAC

#265. Posted by: JAC at October 11, 2006 2:34 PM

@JAC

LOL - I'm with you on the Yankees - but I know I'm right about them being two different women - but what the hell - Flame away ! ! ! LOL

Mac,
re: Cecil Rose's request about info being posted to let others know what the filmstrip was about - my $0.02 worth is that the info on the strip is in no way shape or form a spoiler, if nothing else it answers a couple of harmless questions and adds to the intrigue of the show.

#266. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 11, 2006 3:03 PM

Call me dumb but I thought the island commune's reaction to seeing this huge airplane split apart and crash was a bit CALM??!! Seems maybe they planned it somehow, or were expecting it- like they already knew what to do if such a thing occurred- otherwise there would be screaming and concern and a stronger reaction from everyone there.
Couldnt have known Desmond would miss inputting the code, so it had to be a shocker, but they sure didnt act like it....!

#267. Posted by: Sue at October 11, 2006 3:29 PM

Mac:
I may have a solution to the "little girl in the aquarium with Jack" picture. On SpoilerFix, for this episode it mentions a few back-story scenes about Jack giving the Heimlich maneuver to a little girl in the park. Maybe the pic is that little girl. These scenes may have been cut for whatever reason, because it also says at the top: "Note: A lot of foilers have been released by legit sources, including producers and crew. Be aware that some of the spoilers below may not happen."
So I guess the little girl was a deleted scene.

#268. Posted by: Christina at October 11, 2006 3:55 PM

Re: the little girl on SpoilerFix...the spoilers for "Tale of Two Cities" are gone now, they take them off after the episode airs.

#269. Posted by: Christina at October 11, 2006 3:56 PM

Cecil Rose's request
I would like to know about the game last summer. I didn't have the time to get into the game.
If not can it be emailed to me?

#270. Posted by: Bob at October 11, 2006 4:09 PM

Sue,

I don't think they knew WHEN another plane crash (AKA 'incident'?) would occur, but I truly believe they knew how to handle one when it did finally. Benry especially was out of his house, already looking up, as if expecting to witness the plane crash. Obviously they know what this means to them, or else no one would have been taking orders, running to the shore, and making lists.

#271. Posted by: hookedo nlost at October 11, 2006 4:38 PM

This whole business of knowing whether the plane crash was going to happen or not isn't sitting right with me. If your house was shaking like an earthquake hit and you walked out of the house to look around, it would be reasonable to look up....no?

#272. Posted by: socompletelylost at October 11, 2006 5:45 PM

Yes I agree anyone would look up but it was all done so calmly- even if you rewatch inside the house, its as if they get these "rumbles" all the time cuz there is no screaming and a calm womans voice just says "get under the door frame" or something similar. Of course this is some creepy experimental Dharma commune, but why was nobody totally freaked out at the sight of seeing that plane rip apart over their island??? Do freaky catastrophic things like that happen regularly in Dharmaland?

#273. Posted by: Sue at October 11, 2006 6:25 PM

I think the reason everyone is looking up is because a plane was flying closely overhead. It was making a terrible noise and drew everyones attention towards it.

I live in the flight path of a major airport. Evenso, whenever a plane is flying unusually low or has a louder sound than most other planes, I tend to look up to see where it is coming from.

With our "Others" past experience with the previous incident, they were probably looking around for any sign that something was wrong. Then they are quickly reminded of what actions need to be taken to protect their world.

#274. Posted by: cmonroeiii at October 11, 2006 9:52 PM

I think freaky catastrophic things like that happen quite regularly in Dharmaland. Remember Eko's brother's plane, and there was at one point a balloon that really did fly off course and land there, not to mention Reausseau's ship or Desmond's boat. (And that's just the ones WE know about.) I think such events are a fairly commonplace occurance on the island. In my opinion, that's probably the reason for the calm reaction.

#275. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 11, 2006 10:56 PM

Great review and a lot of great points on the posts. I didn't have time to read them all nor do i think someone will actually make it down to this post to read it, and someone might have already mentioned this but a lot of people had suggested that walt was being held in an underwater station and that is why he was always dripping wet in all the visions. Just my 2 cents.

#276. Posted by: E Double at October 12, 2006 2:04 AM

Jack is Lost's ultimate hero. AND he delivers the best acting on the show by leaps and bounds. It would be fitting if he turns out to be the Man, the hero, Mad Max, The Road Warrior in the Lost finale.( which hopefully won't be for several more years ) Also, the shows you people are comparing Lost to is insulting. The writers and camera crew of Lost have CRUSHED ALL COMPETITION for suspense, drama and mystery. The show is in a league by itself.
24 is also the ducks guts with its
mastery of shock and suspense.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#277. Posted by: thinng at October 12, 2006 5:34 AM

Jack is Lost's ultimate hero. AND he delivers the best acting on the show by leaps and bounds. It would be fitting if he turns out to be the Man, the hero, Mad Max, The Road Warrior in the Lost finale.( which hopefully won't be for several more years ) Also, the shows you people are comparing Lost to is insulting. The writers and camera crew of Lost have CRUSHED ALL COMPETITION for suspense, drama and mystery. The show is in a league by itself.
24 is also the ducks guts with its
mastery of shock and suspense.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#278. Posted by: thinng at October 12, 2006 5:35 AM

I know that this page is dedicated to Ep.1 of Season 3, but I came across this link and just had to post it right away - I'll re-post it when Mac does his synopsis of Ep2. Last night Benry told Jack his real name and that he had lived on the island his whole life. I typed in his real name in Ask.com to see if there was a philosopher with that name somewhere in history. What I got back in my search results were a bunch of unrelated links and one interesting one at the bottom of the first page. Here it is -
http://tinyurl.com/l688k
I don't know if this site is sponsored by the shows creators but it is kinda freaky.

Thought?

#279. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 12, 2006 8:59 AM

Mr Grimm,

WTF? Googling Ben's name gave you THAT? WHOA! Someone's playing one heck of a cyber joke. Too weird...

#280. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 12, 2006 9:56 AM

Tell me about it - I did the search because of so many other names on the show that are tied to philosophers from the past that I figured "what the heck". But that's what I came up with.

#281. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 12, 2006 10:05 AM

First off when Jack runs into the glass wall he was walking towards the open door NOT the button. Then when Jack attacks Juliet he does not reach for her taser/shocker Juliet reaches for it and jack disregards it quickly. Are you forgetting that in the Season 2 Finale we learn that Zeke's name is "Tom"?

#282. Posted by: Matt at October 12, 2006 10:07 AM

I love this recap! I am new to filfodder...so THANKS MAC!

Question?

IS THE WOMAN IN THE SEASON FINALE Juliet?

At the end of season two Desmond releases the electromagnetic build up by using a key to turn activate the Fail safe..which appears to blow up the main Hatch.

The next scene is two man at the North or South Pole (I can't tell) who sees this anomaly on there radar and the call a woman who looks like Juliet?!


I am dying to know!!!!

#283. Posted by: keisha at October 12, 2006 11:55 AM

Put in another vote for some info on what was revealed in the Lost Experience. I tried to keep up via a blog that was set up for people to discuss those clues but that blog dried up before any resolution was reached.

That wasn't Tom in the hospital bed. And yes we should all now refer to him as Tom and not Zeke. Anyone new to reading this forum may not know who we're talking about when referencing Zeke.
The guy Sarah is talking to at the school is just the father of one of the kids she teaches. Jack is curious if that could be the guy because it is eating him up, wondering who her new guy is. The guy at the school is not the guy we see with Sarah at the end.
Can't wait for the next review--less than 2 hours away!

#284. Posted by: crispy seaplanes at October 12, 2006 12:08 PM

hi all..first time posting on here. i haven't seen the next episode after this yet.

just wanted to say one thing which i dont think anyone has mentioned (yep, read all the comments..might have missed it though).

the bit where Jack rushes Juliet and tries to escape.. it was immediately clear to me that that was a hallucination or dream. for one thing, it looked like he ran *through* the bit where the clear wall was.

everyone is saying how odd it is that he could be knocked out with 1 punch, and that 2 people could close the door against the pressure of the sea. i say, it must've been a dream!

when jack first wakes up in the aquarium, he sees some water dripping from the ceiling, and he drinks some, then spits it out and puts on a sour face... like maybe the water was salty. so that could be how he subconsciously knew he was under the sea....

when juliet tells him to sit against the wall so she can give him food, and he does... she then just walks out without giving him the food. seems like a classic way of "breaking" a prisoner.
(the 2nd time he immediately obeys her, and she walks out without giving him food *again*, and Ben says "good work")

then, later, he dreams(?) the whole "escape" sequence....and wakes up still in the cell, and says "we're underwater, aren't we?".

that is how it seemed to all happen to me.. i was very surprised to see everyone on here thinking the escape bit really happened.....

of course i could be wrong. :)

#285. Posted by: brandon at October 14, 2006 10:47 AM

oh yeah... forgot to say.. i'm pretty sure the door it showed juliet coming in when jack ran up and smashed into her was the same door she came in every other time. it had the same type of catch on it...one which looks like you could open it from the inside - if you weren't seperated from it by a transparent wall. :) and it was in the same place (or was shown from the same camera angle).

and juliet did say jack could suffer from hallucinations, having been drugged and not eaten for some period of time.

#286. Posted by: brandon again at October 14, 2006 11:10 AM

ok, just watched it again... i see the 2nd door now, didnt notice it before. so it does look as if i was wrong and it really did happen. but it still sort of makes more sense to me if it was a hallucination. :P

#287. Posted by: brandon yet again!!! at October 14, 2006 11:20 AM

Could Juliet be Desmond's girl, the woman they are phoning at the very end of season two?

#288. Posted by: Ole Christian at October 14, 2006 4:06 PM

Does anyone wonder if, since she is a doctor, Rousseau might be one of the ones acting: she might have been an original Dharma scientist when The Others overthrew the experiment. That would explain why she knows so much and how she manages to survive on the island all by herself!

#289. Posted by: noluvlost at October 17, 2006 11:14 PM

Very nice, funny review.

#290. Posted by: James at November 13, 2006 6:02 AM

3-1 - A Tale of Two Cities

The plane down again.
Others are suburbanites.
Cages, captives, WOW!

#291. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 13, 2008 8:22 PM

MILSRNM...Meg Is Last Sorry Red Neck Man

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