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Key Points from "The Glass Ballerina"

Season 3, Episode 2
Episode Air Date: 10/11/06

Point 1
Sun

Jin

Sayid

Well, now we know. Sun is a ho.

Granted, that's a tad harsh, but after watching this episode I can now say with no reservations that my initial impression of Jin has shifted a full 180 degrees. Remember way back in season one when Jin came across as a domineering asshole who watched over his sheepish wife like a blood-crazed wolf? Hell, in my very first "Lost" review I referred to Jin as Mr. Control Freak.

Now I know better. Jin, I'm sorry. I was wrong. We all were wrong.

But enough with my apologies. It's time to recap!

Most of the "Lost" conversation during the long summer months revolved around two groups: Jack, Sawyer and Kate (the Other captives) and Locke, Eko and Desmond (the hatch victims). But you'll recall that a third group also played a pivotal role in the season two finale: Sun, Jin and Sayid.

When we last saw the trio they had successfully sailed The Elizabeth (Desmond's sailboat) around the island as part of a planned sneak attack on the Others. But, like most Other-driven events, the plan didn't work out as intended. Sayid -- taking "an army of one" a bit too literally -- stormed the Others' beachside camp and discovered it was all an elaborate ruse. Left with little else to do, Sayid built a billowing bonfire to send a signal to Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley and Benedict Michael.

Yeah, remember all that?

This episode begins with the same bonfire. Sun, Jin and Sayid are all sitting offshore on the sailboat, watching a great blast of black smoke arc high into the air. It's been more than a day since Sayid lit the bonfire, and Jin has wisely concluded that Jack and the crew aren't arriving anytime soon. Jin wants to pull up the anchor and take his wife -- sorry, pregnant wife -- back to the beach camp. Jin relays his wishes to Sun and Sun half-heartedly translates to Sayid. ... but, just as Sun appears to be on the verge of slipping back into her old beat-down persona, she tells Sayid that she will happily help him sail to another locale so he can light a second signal fire. Jin stirs in his anger and wishes he'd shacked up with that hot chick in the orange dress he ogled back in "... And Found."

So the sailing adventure continues (sadly, there are no additional three-ton Homer Simpson feet spotted on the shoreline) and the trio eventually drifts into view of the Pala Ferry dock (the same dock where the concluding events of season two occurred). Sayid scopes the area and determines that it's been abandoned for quite some time, which, in Sayid's estimation, means it's safe.

Unfortunately for Sun and Jin, Sayid is lying.

See, Sayid tells Sun and Jin that he believes a bigger, grander signal fire needs to be built because the first fire may have been obscured by shoreline mountains. It's a load of hooey, but Sayid is an excellent liar and Sun and Jin initially buy into his reasoning. But, you see, Sayid is actually concocting a new ambush plan. He plans to build a massive bonfire to attract the Others, and when they show up he'll launch an attack.

Yeah, great plan Sayid.

Sun is the first to catch wind of Sayid's lies. She notices that he's erecting a huge bonfire; one that rivals Homecoming Weekend. She asks Sayid about the size of the fire and he launches into his "we need to make sure Jack sees it" excuse. Sun cocks her head and asks Sayid why he's lying to her. Ahh, but Sayid isn't in the mood for debate!

"And what would you know of lying, Sun?" Sayid asks, stroking the whiskers in his handlebar mustache.

Yes, Sun, what would you know of lying?

CUE BACKSTORY SWOOSH!

In this episode's backstory segments we discover that Sun -- pretty, quiet, garden-loving Sun -- is a virtuoso liar. In fact, we see the genesis of Sun's lying in the very first backstory moment.

The backstory opens with a scene that travels back to Sun's childhood. We see little Sun at 8 or 9 years old, standing in an opulent room in her rich father's grandiose mansion. Sun is playing with a glass ballerina figurine -- a figurine that likely has a street value of $1.5 million.

SMASH!

The ballerina slams to the floor and cracks into a billion pieces. Little Sun looks on in horror, then turns and runs.

Sometime later, little Sun sits by herself at a piano. Her father enters the room carrying a plastic bag filled with the broken bones and toes of the glass ballerina. He asks Sun if she had anything to do with the ballerina's untimely demise. Sun considers the situation, analyzes the various outcomes and potential punishments, and then does what any self-respecting 9-year-old would do.

She blames the maid.

Her father's face pulses with anger. Sun's dad tells her that if this is the case -- if the maid really is to blame -- then the maid will need to be immediately fired. With this new information made abundantly clear, he again asks Sun if she broke the ballerina.

Sun blinks. We're led to believe she's about to unleash the full depths of her little girl cuteness and fess up to the ballerinacide. But that's not what happens at all.

"It was the maid," she repeats.

Daddy, angry that his little girl is a stone-cold liar, spins on his heel and marches from the room. Little Sun stands alone, happy to finally have that middling maid out of her hair.

This pattern of lying follows Sun throughout her life. For example, in additional backstory segments we see/learn:

  • As previously noted, Sun is a ho. I say this with vitriolic conviction because we are presented with clear and undeniable evidence that Sun cheated on Jin. Now, this is a somewhat significant development because in "The Whole Truth" we were led to believe that Sun had an affair with a rich hotel heir (Jae, aka "The Korean Kareem Abdul-Jabbar"), but we never knew if the duo consummated their relationship. Well, now we know because Sun wakes up butt-naked in bed with Jae, and it's not one of those soap-opera "we're naked but we're not lovers" moments (this happens to Sami Brady all the time). Nope. Sun and Jae definitely got it on.

    Since this is "Lost" and everyone's tragic backstory has to approach mythic levels, Sun's adultery doesn't end with mere guilt. Moments after waking up in bed with her lover, Sun is presented with a gift. Jae has opted to employ the Big Gift Approach as a way to pry Sun out of her marriage, but as Sun gazes upon a strand of pearls (street value: $1.6 million), Sun's guilt wells up and she tells Jae she can't accept the gift. Jin's blind loyalty only extends so far, and Sun wisely realizes that parading around the apartment with a fresh string of pearls is likely to raise Jin's suspicions. Jae protests, telling Sun that her English is now good enough to execute her long-planned escape. Moreover, Jae would like nothing more than to continue honing his own English skills with her in a hard-to-reach English-speaking country with liberal extradition laws.

    As Sun wonders how the phrase "English skills" became synonymous with "booty call," a hard knock sounds at the door. The pair have shacked up in the fancy-shmancy hotel Jae owns, and he's left instructions to not be disturbed while he's wooing his guilt-ridden lover. Jae, frazzled and angry, throws on a pair of pants just as the door swings open.

    Sun's father -- bloodthirsty Mr. Paik -- steps into the room. Jae immediately drops his angry demeanor; Mr. Paik is a bad, bad man and Jae knows he's in for a world of hurt.

    Sun's father rounds a corner and sees his daughter sitting up in bed, covering herself with a sheet. Sun drops her eyes. A puddle of shame forms on the floor below her. Mr. Paik orders Sun to get dressed and then huffs out of the room.

    Jae and Sun are officially screwed.

  • In normal families, the revelation of adultery would typically instigate therapy and/or divorce. But the Paik family prefers frontier justice.

    Mr. Paik calls Jin into his office. Jin, you'll recall, has become Mr. Paik's reluctant henchman. It's a simple deal: If Jin wants to be married to Sun, Jin needs to tend to Mr. Paik's dirty work.

    So Jin comes in and Mr. Paik, ever the sinister slickster, shows Jin a picture of Jae. Paik tells Jin that the man in the picture -- a man Paik doesn't call by name -- has "stolen" from him.

    Jin asks what he stole, but Paik ignores the question. After months of working under Paik's iron fist, Jin knows better than to press the issue. He tells Paik he'll "send a message," but this angers Paik. The man, Paik says, needs to be eliminated.

    Jin doesn't like this at all. In his time as an enforcer he's done his fair share of punching, kicking and hair pulling, but he's never killed anyone. Paik has officially crossed the line.

    Jin rises and says he must quit. He politely bows and prepares to leave, but Paik springs from his desk.

    Paik has one last trick up his sleeve.

    As Jin looks on, Paik tells Jin that when he married Sun he became Paik's "son." It's a big moment for the pair; Paik has never embraced Jin like this. Jin is momentarily suspicious, but paternal acceptance from his father-in-law keeps the suspicion from bubbling over. Jin quickly becomes receptive to Paik's overtures.

    With Jin caught in his web, Paik says the man who stole from him has dishonored the Paik family. And since Jin -- his "son" -- is now part of that dishonored family, it's his job to make sure honor is restored.

  • Jin comes home later that night. Sun is fidgety, but Jin's mind is wrapped in murderous thoughts so he doesn't notice the aura of guilt emanating from Sun's body. Their dinner conversation is tense:

    Sun: "How was work?"

    Jin: "Your dad is on my ass again."

    Sun: "You don't have to do this. We can leave! We can start a new life!"

    Jin: "Woman, that's crazy talk!"

    Jin rises. He has no time for fantasy banter. He grabs his jacket and tells Sun he needs to go deliver "a message."

    The scene cuts to Jin sitting in a UPS truck ... (just kidding).

  • After leaving Sun in the apartment, Jin travels to the fancy-shmancy hotel and tracks down Jae in an empty hallway on one of the hotel's top floors. Jae sees Jin approach, but he's helpless -- the hallway blocks any attempt at escape.

    Jin charges! He grabs Jae by the scruff of the neck and slams his big bald head into a door.

    The door gives way. Jin tosses Jae into the room, drawing blood with vicious hooks to Jae's face. Jin pushes his spindly adversary into the living room and Jae's head and torso crack through a glass coffee table. Jae is down for the count.

    Jin grabs Jae's barely-conscious form and shoves him against the couch. Jae, his head muffled by the pillow, croaks out an apology. "I'm sorry," he says over and over.

    Jin pushes the pillow hard against Jae's temple and cocks his gun. Jae's muffled weeping seeps from under the throw pillow.

    And that's when Jin remembers that he's not a murderer.

    With the pillow still shoved against Jae's head, Jin tells Jae that he needs to leave the country. He needs to "start a new life" (Jin's words, which, in a nice bit of writing parity, were also Jae's words during his naked interlude with Sun). Jin shoves his own head near the bloodied mug of Jae and then offers the obligatory "If I ever see you again ..." threat.

    With that, Jin leaves as Jae whimpers in the background.

    Jin makes his way down to the valet area outside the hotel's entrance. He's sweating and his suit is disheveled, but he seems content with his decision to let Jae live.

    Jin takes a seat behind the wheel of his car. An odd flapping is heard in the background.

    flap flap Flap Flap FLAP!

    Jin looks up.

    BLAM!

    A body slams into Jin's windshield!

    Jin jumps from his seat and gawks at the hood of his car. Some loon just did a swan dive from his hotel room! What kind of nut-ball would do ...

    Ohhhhh

    Jin recognizes the nut-ball on the hood. Jae jumped! Jae killed himself!

    As Jin surveys the situation, his eyes move toward Jae's hand. A string of pearls is wrapped around his fingers. Of course, this means nothing to Jin because he's not privy to Sun's infidelity and Jae's gift-giving habits, but to us it signals the conclusion of Sun's infidelity. It's also a cautionary tale for anyone considering a torrid affair with a Korean hotel heir: this is what happens, people. Now you know.

  • In a final backstory segment, Sun puts on her hottest grieving dress and sneaks off to Jae's funeral. It's a lavish affair, full of flowers and oversized murals depicting Jae's placid Kareem-like face. Sun, mindful of Affair Etiquette, stands away from the crowd in the area set aside for "Grieving Hookers & Secret Lovers."

    "You shouldn't be here," a man growls.

    Sun, spooked, whips around. It's her father, and he's come to the funeral to once again express his extreme disappointment in his daughter. He orders her to go back home to Jin and, presumably, to forget about all this affair business and accept her place as Jin's wife. Sun offers no resistance.

    With his message delivered, Mr. Paik turns to leave. Sun calls out to him. He stops and slowly turns. With tears welling in her eyes, Sun asks her father if he's going to tell Jin about her Secret Love.

    "It's not my place to tell," Mr. Paik says.

    He leaves and Sun revels in another victory. "First the maid, and now Jin! BWAHAHAHAHA!"

    And with that, the backstory ends.

We now return to Island Events.

Sayid's pointed question to Sun -- "And what would you know of lying?" -- seems like it's going to lead to a revelatory moment, but it really just dies on the spot. Sayid doesn't want to have a discussion; he wants to build a bonfire. So he asks Sun to continue lying to Jin about the purpose of the fire until he can get it built. After that, Sayid concludes, the die will have been cast and the truth can come out.

But yet again, Jin's language skills have been mistaken for retardation. Just because the guy doesn't speak English doesn't mean he's an idiot, people! He notices the massive size of the bonfire and immediately understands that Sayid is plotting an ambush. He charges toward Sayid and demands a gun. Sayid feigns confusion and asks Sun to translate Jin's request (nice try Sayid). Sun says Jin knows what's going on.

"He says he understands English better than I think he does," she says.

Jin's voice softens as he speaks to Sun. Sun's eyes drop.

"He knows I betrayed him," she says. (Is she referring to the bonfire or is there something more to this comment? And why would she bother translating this?)

Sayid has no interest in playing Dr. Phil. He grabs a gun tucked into his belt and hands it to Jin.

"Now, to use this weapon you need to ..."

CLICK! SNAP! CLICK!

In one motion Jin unloads the clip, reloads it and locks a bullet in the chamber. Sayid shuts his mouth.

Jin tells Sun to get back on the boat because, presumably, it'll be safer (presumably). Sayid agrees that Sun should take cover, but before Sun leaves Sayid tells her there's an extra gun hidden in a tarp in the cabin. Sun, trying to play the part of dutiful wife (a part that's not within her oeuvre), says that if she needs to use that gun, it means her husband is dead and she won't care anymore. Sure Sun. Tell that to Jae.

Night falls and Sun goes to the boat. She moves into the cabin and fires up the stove to make tea, but as she does she hears creaking from above. Yaaarg! The Others are storming the boat! She grabs the extra gun and hides. A blonde female Other (her name is Colleen; she appears to be the blonde woman who helped kidnap Walt) creeps into the cabin and looks around.

CLICK

Sun stands in a doorway with the gun pointed at Colleen. Colleen doesn't flinch. She calmly says she knows Sun isn't a killer. She also knows Sun's name, which is a surprise to Sun but not all that shocking to us because we've already witnessed the Others' uncanny research capabilities (e.g. Juliet's big "Jack Folder"). Colleen, in a measured voice, tells Sun that despite what she thinks -- and despite the fact that Colleen and five other armed Others just snuck onto her boat -- Colleen and her peeps are not the enemy. But, Colleen continues, if Sun plugs her full of holes, the Others will certainly become a formidable foe.

(Sidenote: Colleen is full of crap. If the Others aren't the enemy, why did they abduct a platoon of Tailies? Why did Ethan nearly kill Charlie and try to steal Claire's baby? Why did Eko have to kill two attacking Others? Colleen needs to get her facts straight.)

Sun keeps the gun aimed at Colleen.

Colleen approaches, content with the knowledge that Sun won't shoot.

BLAM!

Colleen's contentedness was ill advised. Sun drills a shot into Colleen's gut and she falls to the floor.

The gunshot sends the Others into a frenzy. A second Other pops into the cabin and takes a pot-shot at Sun, but she darts into the bow compartment.

On the shore, Sun and Sayid hear the gunshots and realize they've been duped (again!). The Others fire up the boat's small outboard motor and shove off from the Pala Ferry dock. Sayid and Jin give chase, but the Others blast the dock with gunfire and force Sayid and Jin to dive for cover.

In the bow compartment, Sun struggles to unlock a hatch as the boat motors away from the dock. She finally cracks the hatch and pops onto the deck. Quietly, she slides to the side of the boat, but as she does she's spotted by Zeke (or Tom, or whatever you want to call him). Zeke takes aim and fires, but the shot ricochets off the side of the boat. Sun grunts and slides overboard, crashing into the water as the boat pulls away.

Jin, thinking Sun is still on the boat, sprints down the dock and dives into the water. With Olympian speed, he swims toward the boat, but the engine kicks in and it sputters beyond his grasp. He pulls up and yelps. It's a scene reminiscent of Walt's abduction at the end of season one.

But this time, the captive escapes the Others' grasp. As Jin continues to yelp, Sun splashes nearby and returns his call (they're like dolphins, chattering against the night sky ... or whatever). The pair swim toward each other and embrace.

And in the briny depths below, a Dharma shark curses the meal it just ate. "Too bad, they look tasty."

Jin and Sun make their way back to the beach and they settle in near Sayid's massive bonfire (at least they'll be warm). Sayid takes this opportunity to apologize for endangering their lives in his wacky plan. He also says that next time Jin speaks up, he'll listen (it's about friggin' time). With his regrets expressed, he tells Sun and Jin to pack up ... they have a long walk back to camp.

Right. Good idea, Sayid. Sun and Jin just got out of the water, Sun is shivering, it's the middle of the night, and you decide that this is the best time to walk back to camp?

Point 2
Kate

Sawyer
Remember last week when Ben warned Kate that the next two weeks were going to be "unpleasant"?

He wasn't kidding.

As this episode begins, Sawyer and Kate are incarcerated in their bear cages. Sawyer has adapted quite nicely to his environment -- he's refined his "food" system and he can now produce fish biscuits and grain whenever he likes. In fact, Kate wakes up to the sound of Sawyer's food success ("Reward! Reward!") and for a brief moment, the two forget about their present predicament.

Unfortunately, a day of lounging and fish biscuits is not on the agenda. Shortly after Sawyer claims his food reward, a group of armed Others walks in and orders Sawyer and Kate out of their cages. The group's leader -- Danny Pickett (we finally learn the guy's first name) -- tosses a lunchbox at Sawyer and says he should keep the food handy because he's going to need the energy.

Sawyer and Kate are marched to a new location. The group enters a clearing where assorted Others are tilling soil and moving rocks (Is this a construction site? An agriculture project? Are they breaking ground on the long-awaited Others Children's Hospital?).

Danny turns to Sawyer and Kate and lays down the ground rules: No talking or you'll get shocked with Danny's shocker gadget. No unapproved breaks, or you'll get shocked. If you touch my stuff, you'll get shocked.

Kate, who's still wearing the sundress she was given in "A Tale of Two Cities," looks at Danny incredulously. Manual labor and hot dresses don't mix. Danny scoffs and tells her it's her choice: she can work in the dress or she can take it off. Drool collects on the sides of Sawyer's mouth.

Kate opts for a different anti-labor technique. She says she won't work until she sees Jack. Unfortunately, Danny has experience working with unions. He lunges at Sawyer and digs his shocker gadget into Sawyer's chest. Sawyer drops to the ground and convulses as the current slings through him. "That was only a quarter charge," Danny smirks as Kate looks at Sawyer's sputtering body.

Sawyer soon recovers from the shock incident and, because there's nothing else to do and nowhere else to go, he and Kate assume their place in the Dharma chain gang. They've been tasked with digging up rocks and moving them in a wheelbarrow. It's rough, back-breaking work, but Sawyer doesn't seem to mind. In fact, he revels in staring at Kate's almost-visible goods as she hacks away at the soil. Danny catches Sawyer mid-ogle and threatens him with the shocker. Sawyer reluctantly returns to work.

As Kate digs (and tries to keep her dress from riding up), a small pebble bounces toward her from the nearby treeline. She looks up and sees Alex crouching nearby (reminder: Alex is the teenage girl who helped Claire escape from Evil Ethan; she's also believed to be Rousseau's long-lost daughter). Alex warns Kate to keep working, and as Kate does, Alex asks if she and Sawyer are being held in the cages. Kate confirms Alex's suspicions, but before Kate can ask a question of her own, Alex asks if she's seen a teenaged boy named Carl. You'll recall that Kate never actually encountered Carl; he was hauled off by the Other brigade before Kate was tossed in the bear cage. Alex expresses concern (she and Carl appear to have a "thing" going), but her attention is diverted by the dress Kate is wearing. She tells Kate the dress was originally hers. "But you keep it," Alex says. "It looks better on you." And with that, Alex concludes what may have been the most useless exchange in the history of the show.

The day wears on and the work continues. Juliet arrives on-sight to discuss the excavation project with Danny. With his captors' attention diverted, Sawyer seizes the opportunity. He drops his wheelbarrow and marches toward Kate (big no-no). In one swift motion, he grabs the back of Kate's head and pulls her toward him. The two kiss with reckless abandon (really big no-no). The slurping and face sucking draw the Others' attention, prompting Danny and his Other guards to rush in to stop all this kissing business. Sawyer and Kate hear the footsteps approaching, but their tongue bath continues unabated.

CRACK!

The tongue bath ends when Danny slams the butt of his rifle into Sawyer's head. You'd think that would be the end of it, but Danny doesn't realize that Sawyer's skull is made of high-grade steel. Sawyer momentarily stumbles, but he quickly rises and cracks Danny across the jaw. Other guards rush in, and Sawyer does his best Bruce Lee impersonation, punching and pushing as a circle of attackers rush him. A chubby Other lunges with his own shocker gadget, but Sawyer blocks the advance and swings the shocker back toward the attacker's chest.

Click ... Click ...

Nothing happens. There's a safety on the shocker!

Sawyer hesitates. The chubby Other cracks a mighty blow across Sawyer's chin and he sprawls to the ground. But in a serendipitous turn, Sawyer lands near Danny's discarded rifle. He pops to his feet with the gun cocked. Taking aim, Sawyer tells the assembled damn dirty apes to keep their damn dirty paws off him.

"James, put the gun down."

Oh. Crap. It's a woman's voice. It's a calm voice.

Sawyer spins. Juliet is pointing a gun at Kate's head. Kate purses her lips in disdain (this is the second time she's been used to thwart an Other battle -- Zeke and his cronies pulled the same stunt back in "The Hunting Party").

Sawyer drops the gun. Danny shoves the shocker into Sawyer's chest and delivers a knock-out blow.

Later that night, Sawyer and Kate are tossed back into their bear cages. When the Others leave, Kate asks Sawyer why he pulled the kissing stunt. Sawyer, in his typical Sawyer way, tells Kate he just couldn't help himself; she looked mighty fine in that dress.

Kate scoffs. Sawyer can see she's not in a flirty mood, so he opts to reveal an underlying motivation for shoving his tongue down Kate's throat.

And this is why you've got to love Sawyer. Beyond wanting to get his groove on with Katie, he also kissed her so he could intentionally challenge the guards. He tells Kate that he discovered that two guards are fighters and one has martial arts training. The guards can be beaten, he says, but Juliet is the real threat. "She would have shot you, no problem," Sawyer says.

Kate's memory sparks at the mention of Juliet. She asks Sawyer why she called him "James."

Sawyer sighs.

"'Cause that's my name," he admits.

(Sidenote: Was I the only one who completely forgot that Sawyer never told Kate his real name? This was a jarring moment, especially since Sawyer's closest confidant is Kate ... but maybe that closeness is why he never told her.)

Sawyer decides to change the subject to something more pleasant.

"I noticed something else too," he says with a grin. "You taste like strawberries."

Kate cracks a smile.

"You taste like fish biscuits," she quips.

Kate pauses, then asks Sawyer what they're going to do now. Sawyer says they'll wait until the Others make a mistake. When they do, he says, chest puffed out and hand on his crotch, "we'll put them in their place."

It's a lovely idea, but "putting them in their place" requires a high degree of surprise ... and Sawyer doesn't realize that everything he's just said has been monitored.

As Sawyer talks, the shot cuts to a bank of old television screens. Sawyer's voice is heard through a speaker and as the shot pulls back, we see Ben sitting in front of the screens, watching Sawyer and Kate converse.

Point 3
Jack

Ben/Henry Gale

Juliet

Jack only had two scenes in this episode, but each contained vital Other information.

In an early segment, it seems that last week's event have broken Jack. He dutifully sits in the corner of his aquarium cell as Juliet comes in with a bowl of homemade soup. She sets the meal down without incident and then exits the room. Jack remains still.

Juliet walks down the outside hallway and knocks on a metal door. Ben opens it. He's both pleased and annoyed at her presence. Juliet is making headway with Jack, which appeals to Ben's diabolical side, but she's also forming a bond with Jack, and Ben's wounded heart has a problem with that.

Before the dynamics of the Juliet-Ben relationship can be played out, the pair are interrupted by the appearance of a female Other. It's Colleen (the Other gunned down by Sun later in the episode), and she's got breaking news. She tells Ben that Sayid, Sun and Jin have been spotted ... and they've got a sailboat.

Ben is stunned. He didn't realize the castaways had a boat. Juliet is pleased with Ben's surprise -- Mr. Know-it-All-Fancy-Pants isn't as slick as he thinks. Ben ignores Juliet and orders Colleen to dispatch a team to intercept the sailboat. If the boat isn't captured, there's a chance Sayid, Sun and Jin will stumble upon DharmaWorld.

"I want that boat," Ben growls.

Ben's demand sets off the chain of events that eventually leads to Colleen being shot and the Others stealing the sailboat.

For the majority of the episode, Ben and Jack are out of site. But then, at the very end of the show, Ben enters the aquarium cell and takes a seat opposite Jack. As this scene opened, I had no idea that I would soon be watching the Greatest "Lost" Scene Ever. (Note: Yankees fans might want to skip to the next bit ... SUCKAS!)

Ben sits down and notes the irony of their situation. Just a week ago, Ben was locked in the hatch armory and it was Jack who stopped by for little visits. Jack remains mute. He doesn't like irony.

Ben decides it's time to wipe the slate clean and start over with formal introductions. He rises from the chair and crouches next to Jack, who's sitting in the corner. Ben extends his hand.

"Hi. My name is Benjamin Linus, and I've lived on this island all my life."

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. He's been there forever?

It's a jaw-dropping moment, but Jack, the bullheaded ass he is, doesn't pursue it. He stares straight ahead and refuses to shake Ben's hand.

Ben seems hurt (the more we see this guy, the clearer his emotional issues become). He curtly stands and calls out for an associate to "bring it in, please."

"It" is an old television and a VCR (the exact same A/V equipment stored in every high school in America). The Other associate rolls the TV up to the plexiglass partition.

Jack ignores the TV. He asks about Kate and Sawyer. Ben icily says "they're fine" and then refuses to divulge additional information. Jack's anger grows.

Ben turns and meets Jack's glare.

"I'm going to make this really simple, Jack," Ben says. "If you cooperate, we send you home."

Jack takes the bait. He asks what it is that he's supposed to "cooperate" with. Ben stonewalls and ambiguously says Jack's cooperation will be needed "when the time is right."

Jack turns his attention to Ben's previous comment; that bit about "home" piques his curiosity. He asks Ben if "home" is where he sent Walt and Michael.

"Yes," Ben says as though it's the most obvious thing in the world.

Jack laughs.

"If you could leave this island, why would you still be here?" Jack asks.

Ben answers with a question. "Yes, Jack, why would we be here?"

Jack snaps. He accuses Ben of lying. He says the Others are stuck on the island just like the Oceanic castaways.

Ben doesn't have time for Jack's hissy fit. He decides to counter Jack's argument with cold, hard facts. In a rapid-fire exchange, Ben says:

  • Oceanic 815 crashed on September 22, 2004.

  • Today is November 29, 2004. The castaways have been on the island for 69 days.

  • The Others have full contact with the outside world. This is how they know that during the 69 days Jack and his cronies have been on the island, the U.S. re-elected George W. Bush, Christopher Reeve died, and the Boston Red Sox won the World Series.
Jack laughs heartily. The Red Sox won the World Series? Now he knows Ben is lying.

Ben recaps the Red Sox' improbable post-season: The Sox were down three games to the Yankees and then came back to win four straight, and then they marched into the World Series and swept the Cardinals for the title.

Jack still doesn't buy it.

Ben points a remote control at the TV and the screen sparks to life. The scene that unfolds on the TV is forever etched into the memories of Red Sox fans.

Crowd noise booms from the television. Jack looks up. His face drops as he realizes he's watching a baseball game.

The scene cuts to the TV. It's the ninth inning of Game 4 of the 2004 World Series. Cardinals shortstop Edgar Renteria is at the plate. Sox closer Keith Foulke pitches.

Renteria grounds back to Foulke (I'm getting goosebumps remembering this).

Jack gets to his feet. He can't believe what he's seeing.

On the screen, Foulke jogs toward first base.

To quote long-time Sox broadcaster Joe Castiglione:

"Swing and a ground ball, stabbed by Foulke. He has it. He underhands to first ... AND THE BOSTON RED SOX ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS! For the first time in 86 years, the Red Sox have won baseball's world championship! Can you believe it!"

(Yes, I quoted that from memory and yes, I realize that's not what Joe Buck said in the Fox broadcast of the game. Thank you.)

Jack runs to the glass. Ben isn't lying.

Ben turns the TV off. Jack hangs his head. And this is when Ben offers Jack the deal of a lifetime.

"That's home, Jack. If you listen to me, if you trust me," Ben says. "If you do what I tell you when the time comes, I'll take you there. I will take you home."

Jack's eyes dart. It's a tempting offer. It's also the greatest moment in Boston sports history, but I'm guessing that's not what Jack is thinking about.

And that's when it ends!

Point 4
Island I'll close with a few random questions and observations:
  • As we progress deeper into DharmaWorld, we're starting to learn the names of some of the Others. The roster includes:

    • Ben Linus (aka Henry Gale)
    • Juliet
    • Adam (the unpleasant guy from the book club)
    • Colleen (the woman Sun shot)
    • Danny Pickett (the chain gang warden)
    • Alex (Kate's BFF)
    • Tom (aka Mr. Friendly, aka Zeke)
    • Carl (the kid from the bear cage)
    • Bea (aka Mrs. Klugh, the Ms. Cleo wannabe)
    • Brian (an unseen guy Colleen mentions)
    • Ethan Rom (killed by Charlie)
    • Goodwin (killed by Ana-Lucia)

    Did I miss any?

  • I wonder how much ABC had to shell out for that clip from the '04 World Series. As you know, that game could not be rebroadcast or retransmitted without the express written consent of Major League Baseball.

  • Speaking of baseball, the inclusion of the World Series footage taps into the connection between Jack and his father. Dr. Daddy used the phrase "And that's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series" when he first met Sawyer in a bar in Sydney ("Outlaws"). In the same episode, Jack's use of the same phrase allowed Sawyer to make the connection between the man he met in the Sydney bar (Jack's father) and Jack.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Further Instructions" -- We finally see if Locke, Eko and Desmond survived the hatch incident (gee, I wonder). Meanwhile, Claire stumbles upon two castaways getting jiggy in Jack's tent. Airs: Wednesday, October 18, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on October 12, 2006 1:40 PM |




Thanks Mac! Great job!

#1. Posted by: Mike DEE at October 12, 2006 1:52 PM

Great Review, Mac!
I have an observation. Benry claims that he's lived on this island his whole live, right? And Juliet tells Jack (in ep 1) when he asks if they are what's left-over from Dharma that "that was a long time ago" (granted, this does not confirm or deny their affiliation with Dharma, but gives the impression that these people are post-Dharma). Yet in the Orientation videos we've seen (for the Swan and Pearl) were copy-righted 1980. Is it me, or do these time-frames not add up?

Benry is obviously older than 24 (1980 to 2004), therefore must have been on the island well before the Dharma videos were made, while it's possible that Dharma was on the island for some time before the videos were made, it seems unlikely that it would be 15 years (I would estimate Benry at 40ish, am I way off?). Could Benry have accelerated growth (we've heard this before)? Probably not, seeing as he has the maturity and demeanor of a 40-year-old, as well as the appearance of one. Is he totally unaffiliated with Dharma, and if that is so, how did he end up on the island and what is his connection to the rest of the "others", are they Dharma leftovers or not?

The other people doing slave-labor with Kate and Sawyer... where did they come from (other boat/balloon/plane crash victims, maybe 'bad' others, being punished)? Who is Carl and why does Alex care what happened to him?

And speaking of Alex, how is it that Rousseau, in her 16 years on the island, never stumbles across the Others Village? Or is it possible that she is somehow involved with them?

If the Others didn't know about the sailboat, does that mean they don't know about Desmond and Kelvin and the Button? They're obviously familiar with Dharma, (whether they are related or not) do they have knowledge of the other hatches that we've seen?

Has anyone else noticed how Juliet seems to be everywhere? In the first episode we go from seeing her in the Hydra with Jack to being in the Jungle just in time to shock Sawyer, in this episode she goes from the Hydra to the work-area where Kate and Sawyer are, back to the Hydra rather quickly... are we supposed to assume that time has elapsed and the distance between these things isn't far, or should we be noting the fact that there's either more than one of her, or she moves abnormally fast?

I also just have to mention how excited I was to see Trixie (Paula Malcomson who played Colleen, she previously starred in HBO's Deadwood)! I had no idea she was going to be on the show! I wonder if she'd survive being shot by Sun... I wonder if Jack's medical expertise may have something to do with her survival/demise...

I have to admit, I'm annoyed we haven't seen anything about the Beach Losties yet, but overall, another fabulous episode!
Anyway, I know this is a lot, but I thought I'd bring up my observations. Can't wait til next week- I just know these 6 episodes are going to go by too fast.
WGNABB

#2. Posted by: sarah at October 12, 2006 1:58 PM

Excellent review Mac. I'm thinking the baby is Jae's...

#3. Posted by: Ronny B at October 12, 2006 2:05 PM

Ben said that the next 2 weeks are going to be hell... what happens after that? They go to Disney?

#4. Posted by: Rachel at October 12, 2006 2:08 PM

Thanks for all the hard work Mac. I was a little disappointed with last nights episode, I guess I just want more answers than more questions. And when are the good guys gouing to win another round? They are getting their a$$' kicked just about every time.

I do hope Sayid starts putting a little faith in other people, he is going to need them.

#5. Posted by: Gerard at October 12, 2006 2:15 PM

I'm not completely convinced that Korean Kareem and Sun consummated their relationship, it wasn't clear in the dialogue. If they did, the identity of the unborn baby's father is still up for grabs.

#6. Posted by: barry at October 12, 2006 2:15 PM

Ok, I have not even finished reading the recap yet, but there are somethings from last nights episode that are really bothering me.

Why would Sayid assume that the others would come from the island side. They all know that they have access to a ship as the raft (that Jin was on by the way) was assailed by another ship. So assuming that they would come from the land was a dumb mistake on both their parts. Shame on you Sayid and Jin!

Sun definitley knows that Jin was/is her daddy's heavy. So why wouldn't she tell Sayid that when he is making the capture plan? maybe because, I agree completely with Mac that Sun is a lying whore. So, would the others consider her a "good" one or a "bad" one. Or would it even matter to them since she is pregnant?

There was lots of good too, like I enjoyed the continuity that Benry gave us when he filled Jack in on current events. Even if I wasn't ecstatic to see the Red Sox win again (sorry Mac).

Sawyer is thoroughly taking advantage of his hostage status by trying to find out as much as he can about their captors even if it means he keeps getting tazered. Too bad Kate seems like so much of a wet noodle these days. Either she had something REALLY bad happen to her after her Breakfast on the beach with Benry (should be a movie title), or she has decided that it would be better to live on this island with these people rather think about going back home to jail. Could she have become a turncoat?

Hmmmmm...many things to ponder...

#7. Posted by: chimowicz at October 12, 2006 2:19 PM

Great review Mac, you have some classic lines such as, The scene cuts to Jin sitting in a UPS truck

#8. Posted by: DMB at October 12, 2006 2:21 PM

Awesome connection with the red sox and jack's dad. I had forgetten about that. It made the moment better.

Was I the only person who found the "real life" events mentioned by Benry a little jarring? Because the entire show seems so sci-fi/fantasy/not of this world/parallel universe-like, having the real events a part of the plot line seemed to shake me out of my lost world.

Maybe it's just me.

#9. Posted by: Leila at October 12, 2006 2:25 PM

hottest grieving dress indeed! Wow!

Sun, mindful of Affair Etiquette, stands away from the crowd in the area set aside for "Grieving Hookers & Secret Lovers."

Priceless!

#10. Posted by: Drew at October 12, 2006 2:25 PM

"they're like dolphins, chattering against the night sky ..."....hysterical, Mac...

A few questions:
-When did we learn that Danny's last name was Pickett?
-Will Sun have to pay for killing Colleen? Is Colleen dead?

Sarah, I agree with you about the time frame seeming off. The "I have been here my whole life" comment a la Benry didn't sit right with me either....Maybe this is a clue: As someone else posted in last week's episode forum, if you google "Benjamin Linus", you will find a link to Hanso Adoptions page at the top of the google page. Could Benry be adopted? I am not sure how this would answer the question of his existence on the island and just how long he has been there, but maybe it is a clue?

I wondered how the Others couldn't know about the boat as well. They seem to be able to monitor just about everything else, both visually and auditorily (I think they have cameras in the hatch....would this mean they knew about Desmond and Kelvin?), so how could a giant, pristine sailboat go unnoticed?

And, Mac, you are correct again...the last scene with Jack and Benry could quite possibly be the greatest Lost scene ever. I got chills watching it...

#11. Posted by: Vikki at October 12, 2006 2:29 PM

Nice nod to the movie Cool Hand Luke, with Sawyer throwing out a "Yes Boss!", every time he was yelled at.

I also loved the scene where Jin is yelling "Do you know why I'm here!" Oh my yes Jin, HE knows, but you don't!

What a show, it's taking three episodes just to get us 'back up to speed' with all the various players! Want to bet that Sayid and crew catch up to Hurley before he makes it back?

"Dude. It's a really long walk." :)

#12. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 2:37 PM

Mac, I figured you to be pleased with Ben's taste in videos, for obvious reasons. Don't lose sight of the symbolic level on which that operates, though. That line about "that's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series" was more than a simple plot device allowing Sawyer to connect Jack and his father. It was a summation of/proxy for a fatalistic world view that Jack took from his dad, in his own self-conflicted, Oedipal-complex way.

That world view has been figuratively challenged for weeks, primarily by Locke, on a philosophical plane. Now, the clever summation of Jack's fatalism has been rebuked in a completely literal fashion. Sitting in a sensory-deprivation prison cell at the bottom of the world, Jack has been robbed of his last point of mental refuge. He's got no defenses left.

#13. Posted by: Deep Cover at October 12, 2006 2:37 PM

Finally finished the review. Great job Mac, as always. I am not sure if I should be tickled or worried that you are a Days fan too....

#14. Posted by: chimowicz at October 12, 2006 2:40 PM

I see no reason to believe Benry is telling the truth when he says he's lived on the island his whole life. We've also been given plenty of reason to beleive (i.e. their up-to-date audio equipment) that even if that's true, he gets off the island from time to time to visit the malls, or at least a Best Buy and a Gap.

#15. Posted by: Deep Cover at October 12, 2006 2:44 PM

One, seemingly irrelevant question, but it's been bugging me since last night. Mac, you said then the Sox came back and won four straight, but I really, really thought Benry said "eight" straight. I even went back and rewatched, and am fairly certain he said 8. I commented at the time that was weird, since obviously it's the best out of 7. Was this a clue that Benry really is out of touch with the real world and baseball protocol, or did I mis-hear?

#16. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 12, 2006 2:47 PM

I agree with Deep Cover. Now that they have torn Jack down, what will they try to write on the clean slate? I would be willing to bet Colleen may not be dead, a gutshot is not always immediately fatal, so she could have simply collapsed from shock.

There may be doctors there, but are they surgeons of Jack's caliber? Hmm...

If Dr. Jack fixes her up... then Benry can begin to use this, especially if he does something like, oh, I don't know, tape the whole surgery and show it to Jack's friends as proof he is now on "their side"?

#17. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 2:47 PM

To hookedonlost: 8 straight is correct, you just have to add the TOTAL games, it was 4 -vs- the Yanks and then the 4 game sweep.

#18. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 2:50 PM

Anybody else get the sense Jae was had some help off the balcony?

#19. Posted by: debbie at October 12, 2006 2:54 PM

@debbie

That thought occurred to me, but only Kareem and Sun knew about the necklace, so nobody but Kareem would have intertwined it in his own fingers prior to his last skyhook. I don't think daddy's henchmen would have given him time to create that symbolism before shoving him into the sweet bye and bye. It's a statement that he checked himself out of the hotel.

#20. Posted by: Deep Cover at October 12, 2006 3:00 PM

Walt's step dad was Brian. Wanna bet it is the same Brian? They don't repeat names on this show. That may also explain how the Others knew of Walt's gifts.

It is not clear that Jae and Sun consummated the affair. It seems that she told him to stop and he is still wearing pants.

#21. Posted by: boharpe at October 12, 2006 3:05 PM

The Red Sox DID win 8 games in a row, 4 against the Yankees and 4 against the Cardinals

#22. Posted by: barry at October 12, 2006 3:05 PM

The Red Sox DID win 8 games in a row, 4 against the Yankees and 4 against the Cardinals

#23. Posted by: barry at October 12, 2006 3:05 PM

The Duf -

Thanks for setting me straight. I got so caught up with the Yankees part of it, and forgot about the sweep afterward. DUH!

Thanks!

#24. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 12, 2006 3:07 PM

@DC

"Lask Skyhook." Now THAT'S funny! -- mac

#25. Posted by: mac at October 12, 2006 3:17 PM

Kate knew that "Sawyer" wasn't the real name of his friend. In season 1, she read the letter Sawyer wrote to the "real Sawyer" and the the post stamp dated 1973 made her realized that the letter wasn't adressed to him. He was the one who wrote the letter and than he has decided to call himself that name. But it's true that Kate had never heard someone called Sawyer by his real name; James. But she souldn't be surprised by that.

Excuse me if my english is not perfect, I'm living in Quebec and my first language is french.

#26. Posted by: Perdus100lost at October 12, 2006 3:18 PM

I don't think Sun & Kareem actually did much of anything. Didn't she say stop I can't do this? And when her father knocked on the door Jae jumped up w/ his pants on.

Also, during the conversation between Alex & Kate, Alex said somthing like "they weren't supposed to use those cages" or "he wasn't supposed to be in that cage". Something like that, (sorry, no TiVo) did anyone else catch that and what do you suppose it means. I think Alex will eventually try to help the Losties.

And why does Sawyer have food in his cage and not Kate.

Just some thoughts, great recap Mac!!!!

#27. Posted by: DB IN BC at October 12, 2006 3:26 PM

Great review Mac. Alex is Kate BFF, nice.

Nice eye candy from Kate and Sun. I hope, for his sake, that those taser things don't make Sawyer impotent.

It seemed like Alex was in hiding? Are she and Carl in trouble with the others? For what?

Was wondering when he said it, if Benry meant by "I've been on this island my whole life", if it's some sort of born again through Dharma situation. Maybe evrybody who is now a lostie has "lived on the island their whole life".

-Chappy

#28. Posted by: Chappy at October 12, 2006 3:26 PM

I still think that Jae had some help in diving. Maybe he was holding the pearls when whoever it was came in and pushed him off. He's there holding them, being all sentimental, and then bam!

#29. Posted by: smallaxe0217 at October 12, 2006 3:31 PM

Maybe it was Sun (wearing the pearls) who actually pushed him off the deck. She might have been wearing them and tried to grab at them to prevent his fall. She could have come in all flirty and said something along the lines of I want to be with you and then pushed him. I kind of think of that being a link to the falling ballerina in the opening scene.

#30. Posted by: impulse6 at October 12, 2006 3:36 PM

I think Jin/Sun join the list of end of backstory people. Is there anything more that could be discovered about these two that would help? I think Jack, Rose/Bernard, and maybe Charlie are on that list along with anyone who is dead (except Libby).

#31. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 12, 2006 3:37 PM

Thanks Mac, I manage one from time to time. ;-)

I was contemplating your point about Benry's irritation with Jack passing the boundary into displaying 'issues' of his own. I definately think you're onto something there. The writers are definately about the business of painting Benry as an obsessive and a control freak, with probable delusions of grandure. Will we find out at the end that he's Scaramanga's long lost son? Will the next underground complex the losties discover be a lavish '60s art deco pad, complete with basement funhouse? Stay tuned.

Benry has an interesting passive-agressive style, though. When Colleen got the drop on him about the boat and looked too self-pleased about it, he (i) reminded her who was boss by barking out the orders, then (ii) hit her with the falsely self-effacing 'then don't waste time talking to me' line. Translation: If you're so clever to know this, why do you need my orders and permission to do something about it? Oh yeah, cause I'M THE BOSS!

Way back when, he sneered at the books Locke brought him with "What, no Steven King?" And what did we find out later? Interesting mental connection Benry makes there between Locke and Juliette. Apparently, they're both opponents in his personal mental chess games that he means to psych out by, inter alia, denigrating their taste in books.

The staring at the bank of monitors thing was striaght out of the Bond villain shot-framing handbook. If he starts wearing a grey nehru jacket and stroking a cat, we're all in trouble.

#32. Posted by: Deep Cover at October 12, 2006 3:38 PM

OK, I loved the Red Sox Stuff, but am I the only one who is getting annoyed with the dragging out of the others backstory? Jack was finally starting to talk like a normal person when Benry sprung the sports update on him. Enough with the double talk and pointless moving of rocks from one place to another, enough with the Ape City Zoo.

and yes I realize that if they tell us everything there would be no show. but it is getting preposterous.

I have to say that Juliet is a beautiful woman. hard to picture her getting busy with Benry the Weasel King. Small Island I guess.

#33. Posted by: DanLostinboston at October 12, 2006 3:42 PM

hookedonlost, I am wondering how irrelevant your observation actually is. These writers don't usually make a mistake like this. Perhaps I don't know enough about baseball, but Ben says "they were down by three and they won 8 straight". It could mean he doesn't really know what he is talking about. He also doesn't seem to understand why Jack is laughing when he tells him that the Red Sox won the series.

#34. Posted by: ipaintem at October 12, 2006 3:43 PM

As someone who watched every second of every game of the 2004 playoffs, I can vouch for the writers. The Red Sox did win 8 straight games (Games 4-7 of the ALCS and Games 1-4 of the World Series). I clarified things a bit in the recap because "8 straight," while correct, does seem a little jarring. -- mac

#35. Posted by: mac at October 12, 2006 3:45 PM

Anyone see the fake CIA commercial? A hint that the "others" are CIA?

#36. Posted by: Darryl at October 12, 2006 3:48 PM

@Hooked:

Benry did say that they won eight, but the line went, "They were down three games to the Yankees in the ALCS and then came back to win eight straight. . ." That is exactly what happened, the Sox swept the yankees on the back end of the ALCS and then went on to sweep the Cardinals, so yes they did win 8 strainght.

#37. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 12, 2006 3:50 PM

How stupid is Sayid? For a guy with military training, he's thinking one-sided. They know the Others have a boat (as that's how they kidnapped Walt), so wouldn't it be wise to say that the Others may come by water than through the forest?

Is that one bonfire by land, two if by sea? Geez. Think, man, think!

I agree with boharpe - it's not clear whether Jae and Sun consummated their relationship. Probably, but possibly not. Her comment was that she couldn't go on like this anymore. Perhaps they were about to do it, but didn't. If they did, that baby is probably his. If the kid turns out to be six feet tall and plays basketball - then we'll know.

And did Jae commit suicide? Or was he thrown out of the hotel window (maybe by that other assassin that shadowed Jin to show him how to do his job) Most skyrise hotel windows are sealed shut - so he'd have to be THROWN OUT, right?

MLB footage - ABC probably has a deal with them. They license to Disney and do deals with them all the time. That footage still probably cost them at least $10K, if not more (which is still CHEAP)

#38. Posted by: C. at October 12, 2006 3:51 PM

My bad, it's $12K per minute...

#39. Posted by: C. at October 12, 2006 3:56 PM

There's a subtle context not being considered, I think, about Jae's death. Does Sun believe that Jin killed him? After all, he went to "deliver the message", and then Jae was dead. No doubt Sun's father was very pleased that Jin did what he really wanted, even though (as far as we know) Jae made the decision to jump.

Even when you get an answer... there's still a question that remains.

#40. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 4:00 PM

Duf:

Very good points.

I believe Sun probably thought that Jin killed Jae. The question is, does Sun's father believe that Jin killed Jae? If not, is that why Jin suddenly made the decision to go to the U.S. and run away from Sun's father and start a new life away from Korea, which ultimately landed them on the island?

#41. Posted by: Dudelost at October 12, 2006 4:14 PM

Hooked--

The Sox did win 8 straight......four from the Yankees and 4 from the cards

#42. Posted by: Hey, Hooked on lost! at October 12, 2006 4:15 PM

Coming to Sayid's defense, just a bit.

Unless I missed something, the others who grabbed the boat didn't arrive in their own boat. They apparently managed to snatch the losties' boat by invoking the Sergio Leone rule of sneaking up on someone: if you're out of the camera frame, you can't be seen, regardless of how open the terrain may be.

Ebert has a great take on this aspect of Leone's direction in his review of "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly":

"A vast empty Western landscape. The camera pans across it. Then the shot slides onto a sunburned, desperate face. The long shot has become a closeup without a cut, revealing that the landscape was not empty but occupied by a desperado very close to us.

In these opening frames, Sergio Leone established a rule that he follows throughout "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly." The rule is that the ability to see is limited by the sides of the frame. At important moments in the film, what the camera cannot see, the characters cannot see, and that gives Leone the freedom to surprise us with entrances that cannot be explained by the practical geography of his shots.

There is a moment, for example, when men do not notice a vast encampment of the Union Army until they stumble upon it. And a moment in a cemetery when a man materializes out of thin air even though he should have been visible for a mile. And the way men walk down a street in full view and nobody is able to shoot them, maybe because they are not in the same frame with them."

More than one episode of "Lost" relies on the Leone camera frame view rule for its own logic.

#43. Posted by: Deep Cover at October 12, 2006 4:16 PM

I also wonder if Sayid is somehow aligned with "the others," and that he tipped Jack on Michael and beat Benry more than others to "hide" his role. Seems like he has blown a lot of "opportunties" for them when these kinds of situations, possible confrontations with "the others" come up. Maybe Rousseau did something to him when he was captured back in S1?

#44. Posted by: Dudelost at October 12, 2006 4:18 PM

I think what prevents the island from being seen from space is its electromagnetic properties. I think that there is a way of escaping this electromagnetic field much like a space shuttle leaves the Earth's gravitational force and its orbit around the sun. The Others probably know how to escape the magnetic field since Ben told Michael how to find rescue.

#45. Posted by: Mr. Cube at October 12, 2006 4:18 PM

Was anyone able to see what the screens Ben was looking at showed? I saw the ones for Jack, Sawyer and Kate...but could not glimpse the others. Was anyone able to freeze it?

#46. Posted by: Rvjack at October 12, 2006 4:22 PM

To everyone who wonders if Colleen is dead, and if Jack will be the one to treat her, I found this on SpoilerFix:
Episode 3.04: Every Man For Himself: "Jack must scrub up to save an Other's life"
So this may be Colleen.

#47. Posted by: Christina at October 12, 2006 4:27 PM

Dudelost -

I do think that Sun's father believes Jin killed Jae. After that, he probably started giving Jin "more of the same", thinking hell, the guy is a killer, what's a few more? Not like Jin would speak up about it, in fact he probably "get's credit" for it, and his conscience is clear on the actual death, so where's the harm in taking responsibility for a man you didn't have to kill. At first, it probably felt to Jin like it had worked out for him, (twisted, but think about it) but THEN came "Ok, go kill these two, and this guy, and oh, they overstarched my shirts, so burn this laundry too..."

It was at that point perhaps that Jin realized, I have to escape my role of "murderer", before I really DO have to kill someone. Jin's knowledge of a gun and his capacity for violence are obvious, but at heart, he's not a killer, at least in my view.

#48. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 4:29 PM

Great recap again Mac, you've got skills brother!

I just thought I'd point out that when Jin found out about Sun's pregnancy back in The Whole Truth, Sun told him she hadn't been with anyone else. I got the impression she really did make Jae the 2nd luckiest man in the world! Was that ANOTHER of her lies?

That was a rhetorical question. I am much more plagued by the following questions:

How the hell are the producers going to explain the back stories?

How did Penny Widmore know that Desmond could be located by a polar station detecting electromagnetic anomalies?

How did the electromagnet bring down flight 815? When Locke didn't press the button at the end of Season 2 the countdown timer was crushed by the magnetism. Therefore why was the hatch found in perfect conditon shortly after it had apparantly pulled an AIRCRAFT from the sky?

Any ideas?

#49. Posted by: Catface at October 12, 2006 4:29 PM

I think what prevents the island from being seen from space is its electromagnetic properties. I think that there is a way of escaping this electromagnetic field much like a space shuttle leaves the Earth's gravitational force and its orbit around the sun. The Others probably know how to escape the magnetic field since Ben told Michael how to find rescue.

#50. Posted by: Mr. Cube at October 12, 2006 4:29 PM

CORRECTION - How the hell are the producers going to explain the back story connections?

#51. Posted by: Catface at October 12, 2006 4:32 PM

How is it possible that The Others didn't know anything about 'the Elisabeth'? It seemed to me that Benry was completely shocked when Colleen told him. Perhaps they know nothing about Desmond, perhaps that's why he wasn't allowed to get out of the hatch. But then, what about the cameras in The Pearl??

A funny thing is that last week we all started to hate I'm-laughing-as-I'm-leaving Sarah and now it's the same with our pregnant liar. Curious. We all like Juliet, don't we??

Mac, great job. Suppose that final scene is just a gift from the writers for a such a good blog!!

WGNABB & Namaste

#52. Posted by: Mj at October 12, 2006 4:38 PM

In Sayid's defense

"How stupid is Sayid? For a guy with military training, he's thinking one-sided. They know the Others have a boat (as that's how they kidnapped Walt), so wouldn't it be wise to say that the Others may come by water than through the forest"

- didn't they give the boat to Michael and Walt to escape.

Also, what about the interaction between Ben, Juliet and Colleen. It seemed like a little love triangle or something. It appears that Ben used to be with Juliet, but is now with Coleen. Didn't Coleen make some snide remark to Juliet?

#53. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at October 12, 2006 4:40 PM

Charlie Salinger - They did give Michael a boat but Sayid wouldn't know as he wasn't there.

I do agree, Sayid should have known better. In one of the 1st episodes, didn't someone get killed on the beach and Sayid is the one who said they came in from the water.

#54. Posted by: DB IN BC at October 12, 2006 4:44 PM

@Charlie Salinger-

I also got the impression that there is now something going on between Ben and Colleen. I think she said, "Am I interrupting something". Also, I'm not sure of the details of this, we see (and Sawyer stares at) two others kissing? on the way to his work detail. Is that right? If it is, I thought it was Colleen and Danny, then at the work camp it almost seemed as though Danny and Juliet were flirting right before Juliet gave Sawyer her canteen. Did anyone else see that?

#55. Posted by: Amy at October 12, 2006 4:46 PM

Mac:

Great job as always. Your writing skills are still sharp as ever, even after a whole summer off. Ever consider putting your re-caps together as a compilation? Maybe writing a book on the Lost series? Anyway . . . .

I loved last night's ep. Now we know that even sweet, innocent looking Sun has a dark side. As for the baby being Jae's, we won't know for sure until we nail down the timeline between his death and their trip. He could have taken the dive 1 week before the crash of Oceanic 815, or 6 months before. So until we know for sure how much time had passed we'll just be grasping at straws.

Someone had mentioned that Colleen and Pickett were a couple because they shared a kiss, and then someone else mentioned that Colleen, Juliet, and Ben shared a tense moment (love triangle). I think Colleen is Ben's current love interest, her kiss with Pickett was more fraternal than romantic. All cheek, no lip.

#56. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 12, 2006 4:48 PM

Mac - great review. Love your snarky sense of humor.

I had a feeling Jin was going to spare Jae's life, and risk Sun's father's anger. When Jae fell on the hood of Jin's car, and Jin slowly looked up, I totally expected to see Sun up there giving him a thumbs up -- like, "I truly do love you, and here's the proof, and I couldn't take it if my father punished you for not killing Jae." But, I don't think, truly, Sun had time to get there... Also, I do think Sun is pregnant by Jae; that means there is no island "miracle" pregnancy with sterile Jin.

It did seem stupid for Sayid and Jin to send Sun to the boat, as they all know Walt was kidnapped by others on a motor boat.

I was glad to see Sun shoot Colleen. For crying out loud "We're not the enemy" Yeah, right. So, that's why you're standing on my boat with 5 armed men. Sure. I get so sick of Benry and Juliet saying "We're the good guys". Hello! If they're the good guys (with their tasers, guns, beating people up, caging people like animals) then I'd hate to see the bad guys.

It seemed clear that Ben and Juliet are ex's, with the soup comment. Maybe creepy Ben's got his eye's on Kate. And while he said he'd lived his whole life on the island, he said he'd take Jack home, so he's comfortable leaving the island.

Kate and her dress... I wish Kate had gotten into a fight, instead of Sawyer. Just because you're wearing silk, doesn't mean you can't kick some ass.

Was there really a CIA commercial?

What is is that Benry wants Jack to do? Does it have anything to do with the fact he's a doctor? And that the others are always taking blood from people?

Sorry so long...

#57. Posted by: lost chao at October 12, 2006 4:51 PM

Okay, has anyone talked about the kiss that Danny and Colleen shared at the excavation site before Colleen left to get the boat? Sawyer saw the kiss and gave Danny a big goofy grin. What I’m wondering is what kind of mood do you think Danny is going to be in after he finds out that Colleen has been shot. Is he going to make Sawyer and Kate work double-time?

#58. Posted by: Heater at October 12, 2006 4:51 PM

And let's not forget the cable Sayid followed from the beach. Where does it end up when you go the other way? If it is acting as an 'extension cord' for crazy French chicks to steal power, (so we've assumed) what is it stealing FROM.

#59. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 4:52 PM

Jack has been one of my favorite characters from the very beginning, if for no other reason that he is a professional (doctor) person that others (not "Others")look up to, and a person who commanded respect because of his status. Not that he asked to be considered a leader, but he handled it well for the most part.

But he is grating on my last nerve any more ... he acts like he hasn't a clue. You'd think he'd be a little more sensible about his situation. I mean let's face it - with the way things stand right now, it is going to take an act of Congress to free Jack, Kate and Sawyer, and to help any of the "Losties" for that matter. The "Others" seem to have every advantage there is.

When the greatest scene unfolded, I was awed that Benry stood up and introduced himself. I put myself in Jacks' shoes, and I must say that I'd have extended my hand - I mean what the hell did he have to lose? Surely he realizes that Benry can make things extremely difficult for him. Jack seems to have become somewhat of a fool - refusing food, trying in vain to unchain himself, curling up in a corner, and now refusing to even try to see where Benry is coming from. I still like him but he needs to change his way of thinking.

Kate was hot! Reminded me of the "washing the car" scene in Cool Hand Luke when all the chain gang guys were oogling the blonde haired girl.
Sawyer is the coolest person on the show, although Juliet is a close second.

#60. Posted by: ButchM at October 12, 2006 4:53 PM

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet was, in my opinion, one of the funniest moments in last night's show. When the other tells Kate that it is her decision whether or not she wants to wear the dress, Sawyer kind of smirks, Kate glares at him, then Sawyer looks at the other and says, "HEY!", like he's trying to defend her. It was just so out of character for him and seemed so forced that I had to laugh.

#61. Posted by: Amy at October 12, 2006 4:56 PM

Awesome review! But doesn't anyone else remember that we know Ms. Klugh's name? Tom called her "Bee".

#62. Posted by: Danny G at October 12, 2006 4:59 PM

>Mac Sez: As previously noted, Sun is a ho. I say this with vitriolic conviction because we are presented with clear and undeniable evidence that Sun cheated on Jin.

Just a sec' here, Mac. I'm only recollecting from memory of one viewing, but was there incontrovertible evidence that Sun's dalliance with the hotel heir was during her marraige?

I got the impression (admittedly with no evidence, either), that the "Sun in bed with the slim-jim" episode might have happened some time earlier - pre-marriage - and that daddy's shame was of his unwed daughter in bed with a man. (Also there semed to be some superior/subordinate relationship between daddy and slim-jim.)

Then daddy pressured his new hit-man son-in-law to avenge the stain on the family escutcheon sometime later, after the marriage.

Anybody notice any evidence one way or the other?

#63. Posted by: Cecil Rose at October 12, 2006 5:02 PM

Benry says he's been on the island his entire life and I'm inclined to believe him in this case.

Is it possible that the Dharma Project is based on seclusion? So much so that they would set up an ongoing "sustainance" air drop where they would deliver food on a regular basis regardless of communication. If the project needed to be isolated there would be no communication possible - so they wouldn't know if something bad happened.

This brings me to Benry. Is it possible that Benry and maybe some of the Others were either part of the project or maybe the subjects that the project was studying (or working on/with)? Perhaps they staged a revolt and overthrew the people who ran Dharma - sometime after the training video and, most likely, after Desmond killed the antagonist from Carnivale (i.e. bearded hatch man and Desert Storm guy).

This framework would enable Benry to have lived his entire life on the island (maybe born into the Dharma project somehow?) while becoming a leader. Maybe his parents were part of Dharma or were stranded back in the 50's? This paradigm would also explain the equipment they have - the CDs, the TV, etc. Maybe part of the airlift thing is that they deliver up-to-date equipment as it becomes available?

My point is that there are ways they can appear to be "connected" to the outside world without actually being connected. In the context of the survivors inprisonment on the island, this is a very powerful concept.

I don't think anything we've heard shows that they actually can get off the island and find their way "home". Everything Benry cited could have been discovered by watching tv.

Also, the information on the castaways could also have been airdropped. Maybe that's how the Dharma Project gets its "subjects"? The leadership knows about the plane crash and airdrops dossiers on all the passengers so the Dharma people can do their work. If the goal of the project is to create this utopian society wouldn't they want to be isolated from the ills of the rest of the world? Wouldn't that keep their idealistic goals from being "contaminated"?

I'm just not buying the fact that they can get off the island any time they wish. Just not buying it.

Also... is it possible that Benry wants the sailboat for reasons that don't have to do with keeping the castaways on the island? Could he want it because it is the only vessel that could conceivably sail long distances without refueling? The ferry they have could conceivably be range limited thus making an exploratory mission infeasible. The sailboat Desmond used to "sail around the world" would be a perfect way to find their way off the island if they could.

In this paradigm, the Dharma people might purposefully short-change them on fuel for their boat so they can't get homesick and leave.

I'm probably as far off as possible... but that's what my mind makes out of all of this stuff.

#64. Posted by: Stefan at October 12, 2006 5:05 PM

Cecil - Sun didn't start English lessons until after her marriage right. In the bedroom scene, Jae told Sun her English was almost as good as his.

#65. Posted by: DB IN BC at October 12, 2006 5:06 PM

They were married. When Jin mentions that he talked to her father today, Sun is terrfied that her father told him the truth. The timing of the events is no coincidence, they all happened on the same day. The funeral was the next day or two, but that's about it.

#66. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 5:07 PM

Maybe Benry was part of the Dharma project when he was a child and that the studies they do are on animals AND children. Could this explain why they are so interested in capturing children? It could explain, or at least confirm that Benry has been on the island his whole life. Maybe as he grew up he "took advantage" of the Dharma worker's weaknesses and overthrew them and created his own society. Maybe he's trying to recruit Jack, Sawyer, and Kate to take over for himself, Colleen, and Tom so they can get off the island. Maybe "big brother" is watching them and Benry thinks if those three replace him and his two friends that "big brother" won't notice the difference, but they need children to appease Dharma into believing they are still doing the testing....

Who knows! LOL :)

#67. Posted by: Dudelost at October 12, 2006 5:12 PM

When Colleen told Benry about that the Losties had a boat, didn't Juliet say "good, then they can sail around in circles" Maybe that indicates the others have tried to leave the island but ended up like Desmond, back where they started.

#68. Posted by: DB IN BC at October 12, 2006 5:12 PM

Stefan -- great theory about the sailboat, and the limited fuel for the motorboat. What would they care if Michael ran out of fuel on the way home. Ben seemed totally surprised they had a boat.

With Alex and Carl -- does this mean there are 2 groups of others? Or that they keep their "young" confined somewhere, and somehow Alex and Carl escaped?

I got the impression Colleen was only asking "did I interupt?" because Juliet and Ben had history. Colleen did give Pickett a nice kiss before she left for her mission.

#69. Posted by: lost chao at October 12, 2006 5:15 PM

Why is Benry interested in the boat and not the occupants of said boat??

#70. Posted by: Maxlife at October 12, 2006 5:15 PM

Do you think the Others are sterile (maybe from the electromagnetism?) and that's why they're so obsessed w/ stealing children?

Mac, you not only have skills as Catface says, you have MAD SKILLZ!

#71. Posted by: Connie at October 12, 2006 5:16 PM

Could it be possible that they did get to the sailboat using the boat they already had? I really don't think they just let Walt and Michael go home. Wouldn't that sort of blow the lid off their whole secret island thing? Seriously.

Unless they have a bunch of boats floating around somewhere I would think that the only boat on the island is probably pretty valuable.

#72. Posted by: Stefan at October 12, 2006 5:17 PM

@Connie: Skillz with a Z are the best kind. Thanks! -- mac

#73. Posted by: mac at October 12, 2006 5:18 PM

@DB

Great point! I felt the same way when Juliet said that.

#74. Posted by: ButchM at October 12, 2006 5:19 PM

The CIA commercial was around the 45 minute point, where they usually stick the fake Dharma commercials. It was sort of a recruiting commercial for the CIA. At the end, they showed the CIA seal and the CIA url (www.cia.gov). The url is the real CIA url, but the seal was not the actual CIA seal. The commercial had that sort of slightly fake, washed out look (the colors seem sort of "off" compared to real commercials) that they use in the Dharma commercials, I guess to make it easier for us to spot.

#75. Posted by: Darryl at October 12, 2006 5:19 PM

Maybe ALL of these people are being held on this island because they are all criminals of some kind and the CIA is overlooking all of them. Benry and the "others" are serving life sentences on the island or were born on the island and not permitted to leave because of their parents wrong-doings, so there job is to watch over other criminals the entire time they're on the island...

We all know that Kate is, Jack's crazy enough that he could have killed someone (his father, Sarah's new lover), Jin's thought to have killed people, Sun committed adultery (at least, and has a famous hitman father that could have Korean mob ties), Sayid has killed and is from Iraq (someone the CIA might be interested in), Charlie is a drug user, etc, etc, etc.

What else could ALL of these people have in common?

#76. Posted by: Dudelost at October 12, 2006 5:25 PM

Maybe that's why the "others" keep saying "we're not the bad people." Maybe they were born on the island and can't leave, but the island keeps the bad people on the island.

#77. Posted by: Dudelost at October 12, 2006 5:26 PM

Along the lines of Michael, Walt and the boat...I had a thought.
Unless Michael is a completely insensitive moron (okay, we already know this), but maybe he had a change of heart and used the boat to go back to the beach camp to get more people to take home. Any thoughts?

#78. Posted by: Christina at October 12, 2006 5:27 PM

I think next week the smoke monster gets Ecko. Locke goes underground to rescue him it looks like from the previews. Episode 2 was dynamite making up for the shortcomings of the season 3 opener. I think next week is gonna kick ass !!!

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#79. Posted by: thinng at October 12, 2006 5:31 PM

I wouldn't really look into the timeframe with Benry. It'll all be explained in "good" time.

As for Sun and Jae gettin busy with each other, im pretty sure they did. Jae said that he doesn't want to share Sun anymore. They've done that "English Lesson Routine" a couple times before.

Finally... So stoked for Locke, Ecko, and Desmond next week. By far my top 3 favorite characters. But Juliet is climbing her way into that list.

#80. Posted by: middies at October 12, 2006 5:31 PM

Christina:

I'm thinking that Michael put that boat in gear and never looked back. I doubt he would risk his chance to go home with Walt, to save a couple more people he's already severely ticked off.

#81. Posted by: Dudelost at October 12, 2006 5:31 PM

Doesn't anyone else hate Juliet??? I mean she's cold, calculating, extremely good at supressing all her emotions and totally manipulative! These are all the indications of a sociopath. For anyone who doesn't know what that is, they're usually very bad people. They rationalize any wrong doing they committ and never feel regret for their actions. She is going to single handedly try to tear all our heros apart!!! Starting with Jack, she will continue to manipulate them until they see things her way or turn on each other. This is not a good person. She is the evil mastermind behind everything that has gone on. Benry may appear to be the leader but I seriously doubt he would ever go against her wishes. Sawyer knows what kind of person she is. He could see it in her eyes when she was holding Kate at gun point. Thats why he said she would have shot Kate no problem.
JAC

#82. Posted by: JAC at October 12, 2006 5:31 PM

Oh yeah I totally forgot. Mac the Red Sox still suck. See you in 2090 for their next title celebration!!!

You're still the man though Mac. I knew you were loving it last night.

JAC

#83. Posted by: JAC at October 12, 2006 5:36 PM

Juliet almost seems split-personality, one minute she's making soup, then she has a gun to Kate's head, but she smiles and is SO polite the whole time.

This is why her and Benry get along, they are both master manipulators of people and their emotions, it's the old joke about why won't sharks eat lawyers?

Professional courtesy.

#84. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 5:38 PM

@JAC -- Ha ... Ha ... ;)

I saw the big one. That's all that matters! How's A-Rod working out for you?

#85. Posted by: mac at October 12, 2006 5:38 PM

The more that I think about it the more that I think we're dealing with two groups of people who have very similar interests. They also have very similar power - they're all human. So the question is how does one group appear so powerful while the other seems so weak?

I think it's all a facade.. but isn't life all a facade? Aren't we a bunch of signifying monkeys running around puffing out our chests so people don't mess with us? What makes a rich man powerful? If shot he bleeds just like the rest of us poor SOBs.

The "connection" with the outside world is the illusion that Benry uses to rule the island prison he was born into. Perception is key to the Lost story as new information changes how we see things on a regular basis.

I don't think the Others are anything special. Dharma is a project funded by wealthy megalomaniacs - probably connected to the industrial military complex. My guess is that some of the Losties' wealthy daddys have something to do with some of this. Like Desmond's woman's (Penny?) dad telling him to disappear.

One more thought - could Sun's dad have pushed Jae from the apartment. He knew that Jin was reluctant to go through with it. Is it plausible that he monitored Jin's attack and when Jin couldn't follow through he did it himself - right on Jin's freakin car hood?

I swear... too many influencial dads with power and family issues here to overlook.

#86. Posted by: Stefan at October 12, 2006 5:42 PM

A-fraud? $252 million and not in a World Series yet. Now that's just sad.

#87. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 5:45 PM

Couple thoughts...

Someone brought up the supply drop, and that's a good point. But remember that the supply drop was near the now-defunct hatch, which was the home of Desmond and ex-CIA guy. And, not to say there isn't also another drop near Losteria Lane (the Other-village from Ep 1), but it's almost like the Others weren't keeping tabs on Desmond's hatch. Otherwise they likely would have known about Desmond's boat by following ex-CIA guy.

So is something (Dharma?) dropping supplies to both the Others and "test subjects"?

I also think that the Smoke Monster is the reason Rousseau has never found Losteria Lane, and thus her daughter. (Yes, I know Alex is currently at Hydra, which is likely somewhat removed from Losteria Lane.) Remember that Rousseau referred to the Smoke Monster as a "security system"... maybe it guards the Others, scaring away anyone who comes too close to something Other-important.

#88. Posted by: Buck41 at October 12, 2006 5:50 PM

I was reminded of Damn Yankees (the play, not the cheesy 80's group...) at the end last night....not only the sting of having to relive the '04 series for all the Yankees fans out there, but the fact that Jack just might be on the verge of making a deal with the devil himself....Don't sell your soul, Jack! Don't!

#89. Posted by: Vikki at October 12, 2006 5:51 PM

Ugh! I typed up this big response in word so I could copy and paste. It irks me when people post observations before I say them...:) I read this blog before any were posted, and then a meeting, and then a traffic jam...until tomorrow.

I wanted to comment on Alex's fascination with the "other" teenager. Obviously ther will be some type of revolt planned with the others that are dissidents.

#90. Posted by: meg at October 12, 2006 5:56 PM

Two more quick things....

What was on the map Sayid was checking at the start of the episode?

And....Anyone see what was on the blueprints the Others were using at the chain gang site?

#91. Posted by: Vikki at October 12, 2006 6:00 PM

hookedonlost---the winning 8 games straight refers to the Sox coming back from being down 3-0 against the Yanks by winning the last four games and then by winning four and sweeping the Cardinals.

#92. Posted by: kittikat at October 12, 2006 6:01 PM

One thing I've noticed so far is we seem to be getting answers instead of more questions. This is actually a bit of a change from previous seasons, where it seemed we just kept being puzzled the more we watched. Have others noticed this? My wife commented that "It doesn't seem like Lost" this year, and I think it's because we are not used to being given so many facts!

"Old" things to still answer though:

1. Who are those kids in the jungle?
2. Just what IS Senior Smoke Monster?
(Perhaps we get this next show...)
3. A four-toed statue? Still bugs me.
4. Dharma Vaccine, good or bad?

I'm sure there are others... anyone?

#93. Posted by: The Duf at October 12, 2006 6:02 PM

Did Jae really jump or did Sun's father have a backup in case Jin chicken out and finished the job he did not do?

#94. Posted by: Dan at October 12, 2006 6:10 PM

3. A four-toed statue? Still bugs me.

No idea about the statue. That's a strange one. Maybe it signifies that the island is so secluded that a parallel race of humans evolved there without ever running into the outside world (and vice versa)? My guess is that we won't discover some secret race of four-toed island trolls and that it is there to make a point about the island.

4. Dharma Vaccine, good or bad?

Fake. Part of the illusion. Though, in the Lost Experience wasn't the vaccine intended to actually kill in order to reduce the world's population and thus affect one number of the Valincetti equation? I've read that the LE mythology is somewhat separate and unrelated from the show (as evidenced by the mention of the show as false propaganda in the LE at one point).

Just my thoughts as I try to procrastinate another day away.

#95. Posted by: Stefan at October 12, 2006 6:11 PM

For me, the key thing to consider is, what were Benry & Co. doing there before the plane crashed?

So they were living in a little island suburb, which I think was separate from the whole Dharma thing. It looks to me as if they were there amongst the remnants of the Dharma sites. I say this because all the obvious Dharma sites are in disrepair and have not been kept up, while the island suburb looked well-kept.

They did not expect the plane crash; they seem to not have known about the Swan or the importance of entering the numbers and the impact of not doing so. They did not know about Desmond's sailboat or apparently, him. While they had found the Hydra and other sites, perhaps they had not found the Swan.

What were they doing before the crash then? Some sort of construction/excavation/archaeology project using slave labor; people who have happened upon the island.

They seem to have a sort of militaristic training and organization. When they learned of the sailboat, Benry asked who quickly Colleen could put together a team.

I don't think there is any one unifying answer to all the puzzles. Instead, I think we have layers of island history and we're uncovering piecemeal. We think all the pieces have to tie together, when instead, each piece makes sense only within its own context.

#96. Posted by: Darryl at October 12, 2006 6:29 PM

The knife-and-fork symbol in the bear cage indicates that the mechanism was designed to be operated by humans, or by creatures that were once humans -- perhaps had human brains transferred, or minds transferred or were being "operated" by humans.

There is no way, no matter how intelligent, that a bear would grok the meaning of the knife-and-form symbols.

#97. Posted by: Damian at October 12, 2006 6:40 PM

I defintaly think that Jin is the father of Sun's baby. Think about...they've been on the island for 69 days...since the scene that we saw of her in bed naked its been even more than 69 days. If she got pregnant at that time then she would have been showing by now

#98. Posted by: girlie at October 12, 2006 6:43 PM

Damian:
Why isn't it possible for bears (or maybe genetically-enhanced super-smart bears) to read symbols? Dolphins and primates have been known to do it.

#99. Posted by: Christina at October 12, 2006 6:54 PM

Christina:
Fair question -- but how would they know how to interpret a picture of a knife-and-fork? These are very abstract symbols that would mean nothing to a human from (say) 3000 years ago -- let alone a non-human animal..

#100. Posted by: Damian at October 12, 2006 7:07 PM

Damian, maybe the bears were trained, like dolphins, to recognize the fork and knife symbol, and that it meant getting a food reward when they pushed the button.

#101. Posted by: Christina at October 12, 2006 7:14 PM

Unfortunately, those are REAL CIA commercials. They're recruiting cause our homeland defense is so sad.

#102. Posted by: jeff at October 12, 2006 7:22 PM

@JAC- I totally despise Juliette and everything she stands for. Furthermore, while mourning the loss of a great Yankee, it was rough to watch the BoSox victory for the 1000th time...on my favorite TV show EVER, no less!

That being said, this forum should not be debating which MLB team is superior. (Since New Yorkers are quite clear on that fact already.)

Has anyone seen the previews for next week? The Canandian preview had Locke being mute...but in the preview from immediatly after last nights' episode, he spoke to Charlie and Hurley. Any thoughts?

#103. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at October 12, 2006 7:27 PM

Hi everyone,

Just a few things:

Does anyone else get the impression that Sawyer and Juliet know each other from "before" the island? I realize that the others know all of the losties names, therefore referring to Sawyer as "James", but the way that they look at each other and the seemingly intentional pauses lead me to believe they have a prior connection.

I'm confused by Benry stating that he has lived on the island forever. For some reason, I feel as tho he was "created" there.

Did Benry say "YOUR country re-elected George W. Bush", meaning the USA isn't his country? That truly was an amazing scene!!

For all of you Yankee fans out there, sorry about Cory Lidel. It is a very sad, tragic situation.

For all of you Red Sox fans out there, Mac included, I strongly feel that it will happen again - - before 2090, as some other person posted. :-)

Thanks to Mac for yet another awesome recap! Your wit is a true gift!!

#104. Posted by: Sara at October 12, 2006 7:39 PM

Mac - GREAT job as always. I look forward to this blog every week as much as I look forward to a new LOST episode.

I think Sun's father or designee could have been in Jae's place "just in case" Jin did not follow through with restoring Sun's Dad's honor. I think Jae got help to land on Jin's car (come on!).

Remember that Jae was going to America to wed someone? Jin and Sun were headed to America to deliver a watch for Sun's Dad. Is there a connection in all of this?

#105. Posted by: DJR at October 12, 2006 7:41 PM

@Damian - Brain transfers - makes me think of Steve Martin in "The Man with Two Brains."

Bo Sox winning eight straight - with a couple of shots of JD in between - yeah, baby!

I think Juliet may fall for Jack and turn on Benry...

#106. Posted by: Connie at October 12, 2006 7:45 PM

Hmmmm/Just a thought or two:
Could it be that Alex and cage-boy are lovers? If so, and if Alex is pregnant, that would complicate matters for her. She knows what the Others "do" to pregnant women and their babies--that's why she helped Claire escape before she gave birth. So she would feel she would have to get free of the Others, too. Who will she go to for help and protection?

Something is nagging me about Jin/Sun--in the airport just before Jin and Sun see each other and he gives her the rose, Sun is supposed to be going to America on her own, right? We don't know why, just that she has no other options left and feels she can't stay. So maybe she IS pregnant at that time.

I agree that the Jack-operates-on-Colleen-and-saves-her scenario is coming, but I bet he discovers something earthshaking when he does it. Like maybe a birthmark that they both have, or maybe that she shares with Sarah??

Just have a feeling that the little boxes made of ticky-tacky suburb was designed by the dharma folks to be a Garden of Eden: it's purpose is to keep the Others alive to start the human race again, when all is LOST in the rest of the world because of the V. equation.

The Others are probably already vaccinated to protect them when the world ends, but maybe a little glitch in the formula left them sterile. So they realise that they need infusion of other fertile women in their isolated group or their project is down the tubes, so to speak.

Namaste--

#107. Posted by: stontilam at October 12, 2006 8:27 PM

one thing:

weren't pickett (danny?) and that colleen girl making out when they brought kate and sawyer to the rock-filled place? that will probably matter later, like pickett'll get mad that Sun killed her, bla bla bla, long soulful looks and apologies...
correct me if i'm wrong.

#108. Posted by: kerdan at October 12, 2006 9:05 PM

Mac - you rock! GREAT RECAP! I LMAO at some of your descriptions! One thing about the show - is it getting too bodice-ripping-bosom-heaving-angsty or is it me? Some of the storylines are terrific and you want to see more/more/more and then they go and well -- cut you right off. Ouch.

#109. Posted by: Sheridan at October 12, 2006 10:56 PM

Mac - thanks GREAT Review. A few thoughts from the comments 1. I think Jin knew that Jae was w/Sun - remember he's not as dumb as he looks; 2. I think Sun's father sent someone to finish the job that Jin didn't finish - he didn't jump; and 3. I didn't see CIA commercials - I saw NSA commercials - maybe cause they are only 15 min from me and maybe its regional... but I did think that was interesting.....

#110. Posted by: Toni at October 12, 2006 10:59 PM

Totally agree Toni. It didn't dawn on me that Jae committed hari-kiri I was actually surprised when they said he did. I was thinking right away - who threw the guy over? And will Jin get in trouble with Dad-in-law for not finishing off the job?

By the Way Mac - the recap and blog are way more fun than the show. If it wasn't all so convoluted I would love it if you did a "watching live post" like they do with some of the soap ones! (I still miss Dave and his GH blog...)

#111. Posted by: Sheridan at October 12, 2006 11:08 PM

Sillygirl0630,

Don't be hatin' on Juliet, After all, she listens to Petula Clark, reads Stephen King, sticks toothpicks in grilled cheese sandwiches (even if she didn't make it), make soup, and hates Benry. Plus, she looks to be a helluva an ass-kicker (like Kate used to be), and she ain't overly hard on the eyes. Course, she'll probly turn out to be Jack's half sister. She is after all named after one half of the greatest star-crossed lovers of all time. There are no coincidences on this show. So she and Jack'll probly have the same fate. Just a working theory, mind you.

As an aside, my personal sympathies to Yankee fans everywhere.

#112. Posted by: ransomjackson at October 12, 2006 11:25 PM

Colleen says "We're not the enemy."
Benry says "We're the good guys."
Oh yeah? Well, if a plane crashed near a good guy's house, the good guy would take care of the crash survivors, give them medical care and food and help them go home. Good guys would not throw them in cages, kidnap their kids, shock them with stun guns, force them to break rocks, etc. etc. These are NOT good guys!

As for Walt and Michael, the producers stated in an interview that we'll never see them again.

#113. Posted by: Luke Cordoba at October 13, 2006 12:03 AM

Thanks, Mac, for the reviews. Magnificent for Lost junkies who can't wait til season 3 is aired here.

I haven't seen the first 2 eps of season 3 (I guess we won't see them til next year in Australia and my PC isn't au fait with downloading programs) but from what I've read here, it seems to cloning theory is still viable. ie, the 'Others' are all (or mostly) clones (a la the Scarlet Johansson film 'The Island').

Why? Because:

- Wasn't one of the many projects of the Hanso foundation researching cloning?

- Benry says he's lived on the island all "his" life. As a clone, he could have been 'brought to life' as a 30 (or so) year old.

- people who are supposedly dead or who are supposed to be elsewhere keep showing up on the island (their clones, maybe?)

- There is reference at various points throughout season 2 of 'Others' being either "the good ones" (clones that worked out well) or "the bad ones" (clones that didn't).

- the presence of monitoring around the island (via screens, etc) - researching whether the clones will behave like 'normal' humans, whether they will press the button, how they will react in certain situations, etc

- no children, save the one's kidnapped. Why do they want the children? Again, maybe it's for more scientific testing on younger humans, to see if they clone better or will age, behave, etc the same as 'normal' humans?

- The clone village in the opening scenes for the start of season 3 - (again, similar motif to the film 'The Island')

I'm sure there's been othe cloning hints that I can't think of right now, but given cloning is a hot policy topic right now, it would make sense that the writers/creators might want to comment on this.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. What do you think? Or has the cloning theory been discarded?

Cheers,
Claire

#114. Posted by: Claire at October 13, 2006 12:18 AM

Why dig rocks? It seems pointless. Could it be uranium? Are the Others building a nuke?

#115. Posted by: h at October 13, 2006 12:25 AM

Well, that was a fun ep last night wasn't it?

I'll try not to rehash things but quickly get to a couple of main points.

1) Benry - Could he be a survivor of something like the Black Rock slave ship? He's too young for that, but there were people on the island predating Dharma. Also, it's possible he could only remember living on the Island, but lived elsewhere before the age of 5 or so (I can't remember much before then, can you?) All in good time, as others have said.

2) I think The Others consist of remnants of the failed Dharma project + some 'others' (?), led by Benry, who is obviously sort of a sociopathic totalitarian Dear Leader. Maybe they have something on Dharma/Hanso that results in Hanso continuing to provide supplies to the island. Hard to say. I do find it amusing that Ben was so surprised about the sail boat - since he obviously prides himself on being all knowing, he obviously didn't know the sailboat returned (or existed?). Maybe they don't keep track of what goes on in the other hatches... still, when the hatch exploded at the end of season 2 he seemed totally unconcerned.

3) Children & The Others. I think the Children are held seperately and "conditioned" to participate in Other society, based upon their strengths (hence some are combat trained, some not). I think Alex and Carl may be rebellious, Alex might've freed Claire to keep her baby from being delivered into their imprisoned existence.

4) The Others + The Birds and Bees. There may be something odd about reproducing on the island, but they may also be struggling with trying to sustain their little civilization, in terms of creating enough genetic diversity to be sustainable over time without too much in breeding. This may be why they took blood from Jack, Sawyer & Kate - to determine their genetic similarities for "breeding" purposes. Would also be why they steal children and why it seems like the Others camp is Swingers Central, with perhaps strict rules about PDA. All controlled by Benry, of course. I wonder if he's a David Koreshian style guy who has to procreate with all his female "flock"... I digress.

5) The Shocker. Mac, I gotta tell you, there's another usage for the word Shocker out there in the vernacular, and it made the review a lot funnier than you intended in parts, I'm sure. :) But seriously, the first thing I thought was that the guy looked surprised that he wasn't shocked - and it made me think, maybe only SOME of the tazers are functional, and his was a dummy. After being tazed a few times, the threat of force would be all that is needed, so maybe only a few "trustees" are given *real/armed* tazers, other stupider/likely-to-be-overpowered Others get duds.

6) Stupidity. Why does our Iraqi friend make such tactical blunders? Why does Sawyer reveal his cunning plans in the open? Why doesn't Sun go ahead and shoot the guy who pops his head into the boat's cabin (smooth one, bud) in the face? Why are our Losties getting their butts kicked so repeatedly? Is it wrong of me to want to see the Losties win one for a change?

Props to Mr. Cube, I think the "escape velocity" boat theory is dead on. Also, I don't think that puddle was shame, mac... ;)

no skinner, and it's still a long post,
biohazard

#116. Posted by: biohazard at October 13, 2006 12:49 AM

@Claire - I just don't think cloning has much to do with it. Cloning of humans still hasn't been achieved, and I think there are simpler explanations for things than that. Remember there won't be a Grand Unification Theory (GUT) of Lost that explains everything.

Also, in addendum to my previous post, my idea about the children being held separately also explains why you don't see any kids in the Village when they come out to look at flight 815 breaking up, and why you don't see Alex until she appears in the bushes (slipped away from Others Kid Kamp?)

biohazard

#117. Posted by: biohazard at October 13, 2006 1:00 AM

Has anyone commented on another Wizard of Oz similarity: when Benry tells Jack "...then I'll take you home" - this is close to what Dorothy was told just before she got into the hot air balloon to go back to Kansas! Also, just because Benry said he's lived on the island his whole life, doesn't mean he never left it temporarily to visit some place or some one.

#118. Posted by: Gail at October 13, 2006 1:24 AM

on the GUT , think again biohazard...

" we're gonna need a bigger boat "

#119. Posted by: thinng at October 13, 2006 2:03 AM

Re: Clones -

I get your point, Biohazard. Maybe the theory IS too much of a GUT. But the clones idea doesn't explain everything - just the presence of SOME of the people on the island (eg, it doesn't account for the connections between everyone in the back stories, the black smoke 'security', the magnetic power of the island, etc) And just because humans haven't been cloned in our world doesn't mean they can't be in 'TV land' (or even on a mystical island such as this one) :)

The "good ones" could also refer to the real people and the "bad ones" to the clones (or vice versa, depending on which side you're on).

Have the writers/creators said there won't be a Grand Unification Theory? Or are we just surmising there won't be?

Cheers,
Claire

#120. Posted by: Claire at October 13, 2006 3:02 AM

Even IF humans could be cloned, clones aren't born full-grown, nor do they age any faster than normal!! The only difference between a clone and a normally conceived being is that all of their genetic material comes from a single parent, instead of two.

#121. Posted by: Luke Cordoba at October 13, 2006 3:11 AM

In 'our' world, clones may not yet be "born" fully-grown, but there's plenty of science-fiction books and films in which they are. In fact, it's long been a very popular theme in sci-fi (which I have no doubt the creators would be aware of). It's these very misconceptions around cloning (ie, drawing on sci-fi horror), that many protesters use to argue against stem-cell research, to generate a sense of fear amongst the conservatives whenever the policy issues are being debated. Maybe the writers want to make a point about this too?

(Yes, i know the scientific differences between cloning and stem-cell research and how the the media and politicians tend to link the two in their somewhat misguided arguments Just using it as an example, is all ;)

Anyway, can't 'Lost' be considered science fiction? It is fantasy, after all, where anything's possible...

Just throwing my 2 cents in to the ring again.

Cheers,
Claire

#122. Posted by: Claire at October 13, 2006 3:37 AM

The producers have said that there will not be a GUT. I can't site the source, but they said it back at the end of Season 1 or early Season 2 in an interview.

Also, I think the good people / bad people references have more to do with the group psychology of the Others society (and Ben's delusions), it seems too obtuse to be a reference to clone quality. I'm not sure why you refer to the other's Village as a "Clone colony" but I've never seen The Island. It looks like a simple communal living arraingement to me (check out the Los Horcones website). The visions of dead people have probably just been hallucinations of highly stressed Losties (now, Wet Walt visions, I have no idea... but probably not a damp clone).

Just my 2 cents.

biohazard

#123. Posted by: biohazard at October 13, 2006 8:15 AM

Also, I believe the producers have made comments to the effect that it's not a total "fantasy world" ie. there won't be magic, everything will be (perhaps loosely) explaineable within the bounds of the natural world. The EMP pulse (?) at the end of last season seems a stretch... but still, they've said it's not a total fantasy world.

Namaste,
biohazard

#124. Posted by: biohazard at October 13, 2006 8:18 AM

@JAC:

The difference between a psycopath and a sociopath is - a psycopath can't tell the difference between right and wrong. A Sociopath CAN tell the difference between right and wrong, they just don't care. That's Juliet in a nutshell bro. Scaaaaaaarrrrryyyyyy chick, I think I'm in love. ;-)

#125. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 8:37 AM

@Sara:

I caught the same feeling about Sawyer and Juliet, then I thought about it some and started thinking that they don't know each other from the outside world. The looks and pauses when they encounter each other is similiar to two dangerous animals crossing paths, they're basically sizing each other up in each encounter to get a feel for what the other is capable of. I'm pretty sure Sawyer can read her as well as she can read him. As a grifter (con man) he has a talent for seeing inside people and "sizing" them up as potential marks. Juliet is just plain scary, cold, manipulative. A pure sociopath.

Thought?

#126. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 8:47 AM

Didn't Tom say that Miss Klugh's first name was Bea? That was right after she said his name was Tom in the episode "Live Together, Die Alone".

#127. Posted by: Kevin at October 13, 2006 8:49 AM

@Kevin -- Excellent point! I completely forgot about "Bea." I'll add that to the list! -- mac

#128. Posted by: mac at October 13, 2006 8:56 AM

Hi GROUP! **Ok, am I the only romantic female on this board?** Did anyone not perceive Sawyers mad dash across the rock strewn slave camp as just passion? He was looking at Juliet - who gave him a daring look then threw the water jug at him. He quite promptly dumped it - the music swellllllled - he looked at our the lovely freckles and all the build up of the last episode (worry, sharing fish snacks, etc) and this episode(much bottom staring) climaxes (hee hee) with the helpless need to just TAKE THE GIRL, regardless of the circumstance!!!!???!? Smooooootch city!!! Then - the sly way Sawyer tried to avoid talking about it w/Kate till the strawberry comment, back at the bear cages??
That's what I saw anyway :)

#129. Posted by: Chehree at October 13, 2006 8:56 AM

Great job MAC! All of these comments and insights just makes the show more intriguing to me. I like the way everyone thinks. So many things are brought to my attention that I don't notice during the show. Love all the postings!

One thought - When Michael and Walt left on the boat, I kept thinking they would stop back and pick up Vincent. Knowing how children are, I figured Walt would want to go back to get his dog. Even with the circumstances. I was surprised to read in an earlier posting that "As for Walt and Michael, the producers stated in an interview that we'll never see them again." They seemed pretty key earlier, so I'm thinking we'll see them again somewhere.

Keep up the great work everyone!

#130. Posted by: Linda at October 13, 2006 9:27 AM


I wanted to comment last time about the other man in the cage that talked with Sawyer. Although it did seem as if his escape was staged, he did come back pretty beat up. This made me wonder why they would keep one of their own in a cage. I find it interesting that there seem to be dissidents among the others, and that Alex is definitely not totally with the group – and hasn’t been for a while. The others gave away her dress, and this might be in an effort to piss her off more and test her loyalty to them.

I find it odd that Sayid and Jin were such bad scouts. How could they leave the entrance to the dock that unprotected as to let six people by past? The people weren’t wet, so they obviously walked onto the dock, and did not get there by water – which would be the most obvious way to sneak on. I am losing faith in Sayid!

I loved how they used the Red Sox with Jack, especially after many of you talked about just that! It seems as if the others plan is to divide and conquer. They want to dangle “home” in front of all of them, but what for? To do what? Maybe the dress they made Kate wear was an elaborate plan to break Sawyer.

So, the baby isn’t Jin’s? They didn’t really make it clear that those two actually slept together. I am assuming they did, because they weren’t all hot and bothered when Sun said no, she couldn’t. Did that man kill himself? Or, was he pushed?

Now that we are getting into this story with these three, I almost hate to go back to the hatch and spend a few episodes with that.


#131. Posted by: meg at October 13, 2006 9:48 AM

I agree with Linda. I find it hard to believe that we'll never see Michael or Walt in any backstory, dream sequence, or whatever. I guess since the producers probably want it to remain a mystery whether they got anywhere or not, I could see them holding off on showing them for a long time, but somewhere I would think that they'd pop back in the story at some point as a "shocker". :)

#132. Posted by: Dudelost at October 13, 2006 9:48 AM

You know how many of the characters are named after famous people. John Locke, for example thinks like a 17th century English philosopher, John Locke. Or Juliet, is a lover like in Romeo and Juliet. I think that Pickett, one of the "Others" is named after George Pickett, a Confederate Civil War general, who is best known for his infamous "Pickett's charge" that proved unsuccessful during the Battle of Gettysburg. I think that Pickett is just as warlike as George Pickett.

#133. Posted by: Mr. Cube at October 13, 2006 9:52 AM

Great stuff. Most of my thoughts have already been covered. However...

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but for an island which has people from many nations stranded on it, why do all the others have American accents? Ben seems to claim he's not American.

Also the date, 11-29-04. For the American's, it was the Monday after Thanksgiving. That would mean that Michael probably helped Ben escape on Thanksgiving (maybe the day after).

Not sure if it's at all significant, but I thought I'd mention it.

BTW, Sawyer knew Coleen would have shot Katie. I'm leaning towards them knowing each other in the past more than him reading her. They just seem too familer.

Finally, has anyone put together a timeline for each charactors flashbacks...or at least an attempt to put the flashbacks in chronological order?

#134. Posted by: PZ at October 13, 2006 10:05 AM

@PZ. Yes, there IS a timeline. Go to lost.cubit.net. On the left-hand side, you will see various links. Click on Timeline and it will give you the whole timeline of characters, what they were like on the island, as well as what happened before they crashed.

#135. Posted by: Mr. Cube at October 13, 2006 10:12 AM

Thanks Mr. Cube

#136. Posted by: PZ at October 13, 2006 10:18 AM

Does anyone think that "Adam & Eve" may be Ben's parents?

#137. Posted by: MrEko237 at October 13, 2006 10:18 AM

Benry told Jack his real name and that he had lived on the island his whole life. I typed in his real name in Ask.com to see if there was a philosopher with that name somewhere in history, seeing as how there are so many other characters with philosopher's names on the island. What I got back in my search results were a bunch of unrelated links and one interesting one at the bottom of the first page. Here it is -
http://tinyurl.com/l688k
I don't know if this site is sponsored by the shows creators but it is kinda freaky.

Thoughts?

#138. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 10:20 AM

Sounds like Colleen, the dastardly Other that Sun shot on the boat will live and Jack is forced to scrub up in order to save her! Just read this on the SpoilerFix site. Is this part of his "requirement" to earn passage home? Is there other medical "research" that they will require of him? If the Others elected Jack for his medical knoweldge/ability, then why Sawyer and why Kate?

#139. Posted by: GatorGal at October 13, 2006 10:23 AM

Great recap, Mac and great commentary, everyone!

On the Jin/Jae/Sun love triangle....when Sun and Jae were in bed at the hotel, they were already naked and she was turned facing away from him. It looked to me like Jae slipped on pants when he got up to answer the door. That leads me to believe that they already did the namaste (hehe) and Jae was going in for the cuddle/big gift moment afterwards. Sun, overtaken by her guilt, realizes she can't keep up the affair. Seemed pretty clear to me that they already consumated the affair. If they were just getting hot and heavy, they wouldn't be laying in bed facing away from each other and fully covered by sheets.

What's still unclear to me is whether Jae jumped or was pushed. My wife thinks he was pushed and then Jin, realizing his father-in-law sent reinforcements and will know he didn't man up to restore the family honor, is disgraced and this is the reason he and Sun leave for Australia. However, that doesn't make sense, don't we already know that Jin is on a mission to deliver a watch for Dad? If that's the case, it appears to me that he is still in Dad's good graces (and therefore, we can conclude that Jae did jump...and anyone that knows anything will realize that you can't commit suicide without your pearls!) UNLESS....Dad does know he can't trust Jin and sends them on a mission just to get them on Oceanic 815.

WGNABB!

#140. Posted by: socompletelylost at October 13, 2006 10:29 AM

Any ideas how the others got on the boat? Didn't they have dry clothes. Wouldn't they have been noticed if arrived by boat? Two possibilities Sayid let them OR there is a hatch under the pier. They had a plan to capturing the boat in the daytime. How could they know where it would be at night without help?

#141. Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2006 10:37 AM

Bear in mind that when Michael cut the deal to lure Jack et al back to the Others' base camp, he demanded that he get the boat, which was subsequently granted. Therefore, unless the Others have another one, Sayid's plan of attack was a valid. Even though the Others approached the sail boat from the flank, they did so on foot.

#142. Posted by: Brian at October 13, 2006 10:52 AM

Bear in mind that when Michael cut the deal to lure Jack et al back to the Others' base camp, he demanded that he get the boat, which was subsequently granted. Therefore, unless the Others have another one, Sayid's plan of attack was a valid. Even though the Others approached the sail boat from the flank, they did so on foot.

#143. Posted by: Brian at October 13, 2006 10:52 AM


mac, great review as always.

My favorite part was the Stripes reference:

"If you touch my stuff, you'll get shocked."

LMAO! You rock, dude.

#144. Posted by: Dan at October 13, 2006 10:53 AM

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere but I couldn't see any mention of it and thought it tied in with Claire's theories on cloning. I found it on the Hanso Legal web site, 'CASE UPDATE: In an update to an ongoing genetic malpractice case, Hanso Legal Services can now disclose that it has discovered that a successful human cloning project has been taking place in a remote location for over a decade. HansoLegal has learned that one of the subjects of this cloning experimentation has been reported to have developed the ability to walk after spending an extended period of time confined to a wheelchair. We have been unable as of yet to determine if this subject is himself a full human genetic clone, or if his legs only have undergone a cloning procedure. We will continue to investigate this mater further and continue to update this website as more information becomes available.' Do the blood tests provide a way for the Others to identify if a person is a clone or has been partially cloned?...

#145. Posted by: Lost in London at October 13, 2006 11:06 AM

Ben needed Jack's assistance BEFORE Sun shot Colleen. If Jack is asked to save her, he should milk it for what's it's worth. I'm thinkin' maybe he should ask for Kate's release and maybe a tape of games 1-4 of the World Series.
Jae was pushed. He was leaving to go to the US anyway. He was droppin' the deuce in his pants when Jin had the gun to his head. He cried like a baby.
I think we'll see Sun come out of the hotel (she may have had a room key) and look at Jin (Jin knows of her betrayal)in a later flashback.
I like what someone said about Ben listening in on Sawyer's conversation and how he told Jack he didn't need his help quite yet. Could it be possible that Sawyer and Kate break free and Jack stops them from killing Ben? Maybe Jack learns that the Others are in charge of solving a mystery/puzzle and they cannot leave the island until they find a solution. Once it's solved, Ben, Jack, and the whole crew can go "home".

#146. Posted by: MrEko237 at October 13, 2006 11:07 AM

I was wondering if anyone else felt a sense of deja-vu when Alex told Kate that she was wearing her dress... at first I couldn't place it, but then I did! On the LOST Season 2 DVD set , one of the special features is a series of deleted scenes. One shows Libby talking to Claire on the beach... and telling her she's wearing her shirt! Claire looks embarrassed for a second, but then Libby says "Keep it, it looks better on you anyway". Now WHY would the Lost writers re-use this line? Is there some kind of significance to people having other people's stuff, that they felt they had to include it in a scene that wasn't cut from the show?
Anyone agree? Or are they just recycling dialogue?

#147. Posted by: sarah at October 13, 2006 11:14 AM

@Sara, you asked: Did Benry say "YOUR country re-elected George W. Bush", meaning the USA isn't his country?
I recall the line was, "Your fellow Americans....." Correct me if I'm wrong.

#148. Posted by: Maxlife at October 13, 2006 11:16 AM

In reference to JAE falling from his balcony. I get the feeling that it was SUN who pushed him off.

When Colleen said to SUN "you won't shoot me because you're NOT a Killer". I think she got that wrong! And the proof was SUN shooting her.

So that's why I get the feeling that SUN did throw JAE off the balcony therefore making her capable of killing. God knows she has no problem lying. Spoiled little rich girl eh?

I think that THE OTHERS just weren't privy to that JAE falling off the balcony info.

#149. Posted by: Steve at October 13, 2006 11:49 AM

Is it just me or didn't Sun look a little surprised when she shot Colleen. There was a loud noise on deck and I think it startled Sun and she pulled the trigger w/out meaning to. That could be why she didn't shoot at Zeke/Tom when he poked his head in the hatch.

#150. Posted by: DB IN BC at October 13, 2006 11:55 AM

Steve,
I think you are right about Sun pushing Jae. Good points. I think the pearls in his hand symbolize Sun's presence. They're not just in his hand because he's thinking of her.

I agree with you on the Others as well. They probably have it documented that Jin is the killer, which he is not.

I wonder if there are any other oversights they could have in their files that would cause an advantage for the Losties (that we've seen in backstories)like this one. Hmmmmm.

#151. Posted by: Dudelost at October 13, 2006 11:57 AM

In an inclusive society such as the island, new strains of DNA would be wanted in order to prevent inbreeding. That could be why they stole the children who are moldable and wouldn't want to escape or go back home. If Benry was brought to island early in his life, he may not remember any other way. Perhaps to that point Juliet remembers a life before the island and resents having to be there?

I think Sun's father sent backup (maybe the other guy In went with when they beat up the cabinet member) to make sure he did the job since he hesitated when initially offered the hit.

Why Sayid didn't cover the beach is beyond me. They sat in the jungle waiting for the Others, but didn't keep an eye on the wide open beach? None of the people on the boat appeared wet so thye must have come up the beach.

Benry was surprised by the boat because he didn't know about it. Kelvin, Desmond's hatchmate, kept it a secret from him in the hatch so Benry would have never heard any conversation about the boat. Desmond then accidentally killed Kelvin at the time he discovered the boat so he would not have anyone to tell once he got back to the hatch. Desmond then went back to the hatch and in an attempt to commit suicide let the timer run out, bringing down the airplane. But then he must have chickened out and entered the numbers belatedly which, as we know, resets the clock.

Does Sawyer suspect Kate is up to something with the Others because she tastes like strawberries, eaten at Benry's Surfside Cafe? He's already seen Michael get turned so may think everyone is a potential traitor.

As a Cardinal fan I disliked seeing them lose again (sorry Mac). But as to the acting or importance of the scene, I was not impressed. Matthew
Fox does not impress me with his range of angry Jack (Give me what I want!) to glaring Jack (silence, followed by Give what I want!).

I hope clones are not involved at all. Juliet being everywhere can be easily explained she is the right-hand woman and does all the dirty work for Henry. Jack's cage is near the ocean, which is near Benry's Cafe, which is near the showers, which are near the bear cages. They are walking everywhere so they are just not that far away from each other.

@Christina: I think Michael thinks once he gets back to civilization, he'll be able to tell people where the island is. I suspect we'll see him later this season as his boat floats back to the main beach, caught by the mysterious magnetism.

@Sara: I think he wasn't emphasizing 'your' country (no TiVO, can't prove it) as a non-American but to the point that Jack is an American.

In case you can't remember a character go to http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page. Remember that it is edited by you the people so take some things with a grain of salt.

#152. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 13, 2006 12:15 PM

@Maxlife, you're right - he says, "your fellow Americans" to Jack. This would imply that Benry has spent his whole life on the island. On the other hand we also know that Benry is a master of lies and deceit. I mean, the man took a royal class a$$ whuppin from Sayid in the Season 2 ep "One of Them" and he didn't budge from his story.

#153. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 12:24 PM

In the finale of season 2 we saw a bird fly over sawyer jack kate michael and hurley and it seemed to shout hurley i want to know wat all tht was about mayb it was connected to the island monster which i also want to find out about(is it more than just black smoke)
ON the finale we also saw the foot of a statue with only a few toes wats tht all about aswell (mayb the othas hav toes missin lol)

#154. Posted by: Liam Owen at October 13, 2006 12:27 PM

When Jin and Sun were in the airport on there way to deliver the watch, Sun spilled something on Jin. He went into the bathroom to clean up and a guy started talking to him in Korean. This guy was sent by his father-outlaw to make sure Jin completed his mission. With that happening I do think he was followed to the hotel and the back-up sent Kareem off the balcony to his last flight.

#155. Posted by: Bob at October 13, 2006 12:36 PM

great review!
slightly disappointed with this episode, the backstories are pretty useless and they should just move ahead with the show.

#156. Posted by: adam at October 13, 2006 12:38 PM

Okay, a few rambling comments/questions (that's the only kind my brain can generate):
1. Has anyone done the letter shuffling on "Benjamin Linus" to see what it might come up with?
2. Re: Pickett - didn't he seem alot different from the other Others? More blue collar, worker ant, kind of grunt-like? Less polished than our other Dharmatopians...
3. I am not totally off the cloning bandwagon. I don't know how else 50-something Benry is there all his life unless he was created there via Hanso technology. Might the young people have some hormones, stem cells, etc that older Others lack and are needed to keep the colony going? Just ramblin' -- I warned you...
4. What is up with Kate? Was she so taken by Jamie's kiss that she completely lost her senses and could not help with this 'faux' escape attempt?
5. Did it not look like the rock moving was for a runway of some kind? They were tamping down the rock-free dirt to make it flatter. Could they be expecting another visit from "him"? Will we finally meet the DeGroots?
6. MAC -- shouldn't something be said to all the Lost Experience folks that keep piping in with spoiler information about Valenzetti equations and the like???

I do love this show!!!

#157. Posted by: BELost at October 13, 2006 12:45 PM

I believe that Sun shot Colleen because she believed Jin was dead. Remember she told Sayid that she would not need the gun because if they got to the boat, her husband would be dead. Having nothing left to lose and being taunted, she pulled the trigger.

#158. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 13, 2006 12:45 PM

I think S3E2 helped crystalize certain aspects of the Lost mythology. If the back stories are true, then it seems that all of the major Lost characters have serious father, father-in-law, step father issues. Jack with his father’s alcoholism leading anger management and criminal medical malpractice issues which consumes all Jack’s relationships. Sun rebelling against being controlled by her father. Jin being manipulated by his father-in-law into a horrible gangster thug. Locke with his father abandonment and betrayal issues. Kate with the burn-down-the-house solution to her step father issues. Walt on not knowing his father, and at the other end of the spectrum, Michael wanting to become Walt’s real father. Claire having a baby without a father, or being sent away by her father/family.

In each case, these paternal issues have caused the characters to feel trapped in their own isolation, left abandoned, confused, angry, betrayed, searching and running away from dealing with problems. Each character finds a little bit of solace on their own personal “island.”

But what happens when a person’s mental island shelter collides with scores of other people with significant personal mental or emotional issues? There becomes a quilt of psychological storylines weaved together by an underlying unresolved paternal issues.

When Ben/Henry and the Others keep on saying that they are the “good guys,” it could mean that a) they are there to help the Lost characters and/or b) the Lost survivors are really “bad guys.” The latter has never come to the forefront because since S1E1, when we saw the plight of the plane crash survivors only, we came to like and identify with them, even though we slowly knew that each character had a disturbing past. Most people still assume that the survivors are the “good guys” and the Others are the “bad guys.”

If the Others are telling the truth, then what is the Island? The island is not a real island.
The events depicted in real time may be mere symbolism or metaphors from the perspective of a third person. The island is symbol for being isolated from the “real world.” And with all the survivors having significant emotional, mental or criminal issues in their past, the real world would collect them in a hospital-prison complex. The various locations within the island are hospital or prison wards; the hatches are nurses stations with patient monitors; the Others are orderlies, guards or staff. This would explain why Ben/Henry and Juliet are always trying to “help” them; try to extract information from them like a psychologist/counselor would to a patient.

Jack was in isolation, on strong medications that would cause him pain and dehydration if he refused to eat or drink. This is a stage setting of Jack drying out even though he thinks he is surrounded by water. When Jack tried to escape the Hydra station, Ben/Henry remarked that if he did, he would die. With Juliet’s tough love, right cross, Jack is now past trying to “escape” his situation. With that milestone accomplished, in the next phase, we have Ben/Henry reintroducing himself to Jack as a friend; like a doctor to his patient. Jack has been so out-of-touch with reality he does not know who won the election, or that the beloved Red Sox won the world series. Someone would have had to be totally lost, out of one’s mind, to miss those national events. The shock of real events is a technique sometimes used by therapists to jolt a patient out of state of denial. And Jack has been in a serious state of denial: from his relationship with his father, to his skills as a physician, to his failed marriage or obsession with his wife’s alleged other man. When Ben/Henry tells Jack that when he does what is asked of him, he can go back to the real world, this means that if Jack comes to acknowledge his illness he will find a cure and be released from this facility. What if it is Jack, and not Jack’s father, who is the alcoholic. What if Jack’s personal drive to be a miracle worker surgeon is wrong; that he made promises to Sarah which turned out badly; and as a result, Jack hits the bottle to avoid the reality of his malpractice; he becomes obsessed with another doctor (possibly his father) intervening to stabilize a patient or correct his mistakes. As he drowns his own reality in booze, Jack transfers his faults upon his father, has delusions, disturbing dreams of his dead father. Jack is in de-tox and he needs to go down a dark road in order to admit that he is the alcoholic in order to get cured of his illness. Once he reaches this milestone, Jack can return to the real world. That is Ben/Henry’s promise in the episode.

Sawyer and Kate are put into bear cages: prisoners are put into cells. Both have significant, violent criminal pasts. The Others would need to isolate and control them because of their violent history. The bear cages are symbols for a hospital prison ward. One could easily infer that Sawyer and Kate have been institutionalized for their crimes, and possibly “not guilty by reason of insanity” defense. The aspect of the next 2 weeks being hard on Kate infers that there is a 2 week protocol that she would have to endure in order to get to the next phase of her treatment. Hard labor may be a prisoner punishment, but it may also be a tool to wear down the physical strength of an individual in order to unlock their subconscious. A tired person is easier to manipulate or mold. Other psychological tools are present in this area: the cage food mechanism is symbolic of a cognitive intelligence test. The shock pads is symbolic of electro-shock treatments. All the tests are methods to reprogram violent behavior patterns in these individuals. Break their violence tendencies in order for them to rejoin society. Ben/Henry knows this, and this may be why he gave Kate a glimmer of hope with the beach breakfast scene, because the treatment may not work at all.

Did anyone else get the sense when Juliet held the gun to Kate’s head to stop Sawyer’s kung-fu battle, with the clam, stern tone of her voice to James to drop the weapon, that Juliet reminded me of Nurse Rachet in Cuckoo’s Nest? Juliet keeps showing up in different areas (stations/wards) with the authority and gets immediate respect of the others and the survivors. (This leads to another similarity: Nicholson’s character in cuckoo’s nest was institutionalized from a prison farm; the head of the hospital knew that he was “faking” mental illness to get out of prison. Is Sawyer’s character based on the free wheelin’ McMurphy character?)

As for the one direct father-son relationship, Michael and Walt, season two left us with the conclusion that Michael got what he wanted: custody of Walt. In the backstories, Michael had a bitter divorce (possibly labeled as an unfit parent) and gave up visitation of his son. This may have caused him clinical depression. In order to regain custody of Walt, Michael would have had to go into some form a therapy or counseling to reverse the record in his divorce -custody case. By the end of season two, Michael had made the personal choice to give up all of his friends in order to regain custody of his son. In this symbolic way of showing devotion to his child, the Others gave him their approval of being a fit parent (and as a result custody of Walt) and they/he left the island (hospital).

We have two eyes looking at the events. One, through the glimpse of reality, gathering bits and pieces of factual information about the people around him. The other, through the vivid imagination of a person’s warped, symbolic perception on life. It is like we are viewing each episode through the eyes or imagination of a split personality. I think the focal point of the series is Hugo/Hurley. He is the one character that has two clear names. In the back stories, his mom calls him Hugo; on the island he is Hurley. He was the last person on the plane (transportation to the institution/island). He was voluntarily committed to a mental hospital, for an eating disorder which was masking deeper problems (like the imaginary friend in the day room/possible split personality/post traumatic delusions). Hugo/Hurley was the one character that brought us the numbers, the comic with the polar bears, the one character who easily passes from one area of the island to the next, interacts non-threatening with other characters, he had a chance to leave the mental hospital but chose to stay, and the one character at the end of last season that the Others told him figuratively to go back to his room. This could explain why we get bits and pieces of storylines. Hugo processes the back story information of other patients from his wanderings around the real hospital, then his alter-ego, Hurley, transposes the information into wild symbolism and imaginary adventures of castaways on an island.

As for Ben/Henry's statement that he has lived on the island all his life, that could really mean that he has worked at this hospital-institution ("the island") for his entire "work life." It would be consistent for an institution to segregate children from adults, violent patients from non-violent, mix groups together in day rooms or other social settings, and then individually test or treat patients for their conditions. Ben/Henry comes off as a doctor with a bad bed-side manner.

#159. Posted by: cyberbarf at October 13, 2006 12:47 PM

@PiecesofArzt:

I think that Sun accidentaly shot Colleen. I might be wrong, but I remember that the boats outborad motor started up, the boat lurched slightly and then the gun went off. It's podssible that the engine starting and the boat lurching slightly was enough to cause a tense Sun to accidentaly pull down harder on the trigger than she had meant to.

#160. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 1:21 PM

@ Cyberbarf....I liked where you were going with the Daddy issues, but what about Charlie and Hurley? I don't recall either of them having Daddy issues. Can anyone else comment on that?

Re: Jae suicide or homicide? I still think it was homicide, but I'm not buying Sun as the killer. First, why would she go to the hotel if she was under the impression that Jin was going to kill him? Did she just want to witness it? I doubt she was going to try to stop him. Second, even though she shot Colleen, IMHO, she seemed very shaky and unsure with the gun. I'm still going with it was one of Paik's other goons that did it.

Re: cloning...sounds pretty interesting. I always thought the Others took Jack, Sawyer & Kate to keep them from the rest of the group while they attacked them. But now I'm thinking they want to clone them and are testing the three of them to see if they are really worth cloning.

WGNABB and namaste.

#161. Posted by: socompletelylost at October 13, 2006 1:24 PM

Now, I don't know squat about sailing or boats... but since when does a saiboat have a motor?

#162. Posted by: sarah at October 13, 2006 1:25 PM

Another classic review, Mac. "As Jin continues to yelp, Sun splashes nearby and returns his call (they're like dolphins, chattering against the night sky ... or whatever)." HILARIOUS.

I'm so glad we're still calling Tom "Zeke."

#163. Posted by: James at October 13, 2006 1:27 PM

@ sarah

most sail boats have a motor to use when calm or when docking.

#164. Posted by: PZ at October 13, 2006 1:28 PM

Hurley's Daddy issues- So far, we haven't seen Hurley's Daddy, so maybe it's a "he was never there" issue. Also, he thought his bad luck caused his Grandfather's death (pulling at strings, I know)
Charlie's Daddy issues- The only time we see Charlie's Daddy is an a dream sequesnce where they don't show his face and first he is chopping bloody meat, then chopping up dolls. Seems to me there may be some issues there. And I think we hear something about him wanting Charlie and Liam to fo into Butchery rather than Rock'n'roll, so there couls be some "I dissapointed my Daddy" issues.

#165. Posted by: sarah at October 13, 2006 1:29 PM

Hurley's Daddy issues- So far, we haven't seen Hurley's Daddy, so maybe it's a "he was never there" issue. Also, he thought his bad luck caused his Grandfather's death (pulling at strings, I know)
Charlie's Daddy issues- The only time we see Charlie's Daddy is an a dream sequesnce where they don't show his face and first he is chopping bloody meat, then chopping up dolls. Seems to me there may be some issues there. And I think we hear something about him wanting Charlie and Liam to go into Butchery rather than Rock'n'roll, so there could be some "I dissapointed my Daddy" issues.

#166. Posted by: sarah at October 13, 2006 1:29 PM

@ Mac

you missed out Ameila the other at the book club

#167. Posted by: maestr06 at October 13, 2006 1:43 PM

Where have we seen Pickett before?

Also, Mac, will there be another caption forum this week? Last week's was hysterical!

Could you all imagine if there are clones of Kate, Jack, and Sawyer...Maybe that's why they were on the "good list" and are being held? So they can see their mirror image?

#168. Posted by: Vikki at October 13, 2006 2:08 PM

>- Wasn't one of the many projects of the Hanso foundation researching cloning?

>- Benry says he's lived on the island all "his" life. As a clone, he could have been 'brought to life' as a 30 (or so) year old.

That's not how cloning works. Clones are born and develop just like non-clones. The cloning takes place in manipulation of the genetic material pre-birth (or implantation, or out-of-womb cultivation). No magic speed-growth. If a billionaire had a clone made for spare parts, he'd have to wait 18-20 years for adult parts.

#169. Posted by: Cecil Rose at October 13, 2006 2:44 PM

@Chehree - at first I thought it was passion that motivated Sawyer to kiss Kate, but remember that later he's debriefing her on the different Others and their strengths. He kissed her (maybe out of passion too) to get more knowledge on these guys and what they were capable of.

What if Benry didn't live on the island all his life? What if he only THINKS he has? Maybe he was brainwashed by the original Others/Dharma freaks and/or shark...

Michael and Walt will probably show up in the season finale... They will be sailing around much like Desmond and end up back at the island. You can never leave!

#170. Posted by: Connie at October 13, 2006 3:25 PM

I also think that Jae was pushed out by Sun's father (or his subordinate). The fact that Jae was holding the pearls - was Sun not holding them in her hand with the bedsheet when her father walked in and saw her?

#171. Posted by: Bobbi at October 13, 2006 3:37 PM

@ Vikki - We saw Pickett when we saw how Michael was captured by the "Others". He was standing with his back to Michael in a clearing and zipped his pants up after finishing---. He acted like he was surprised to see Michael but said to him something like, "Hey, your Walt's dad aren't you." Then Michael was knocked out by "Zeke" and taken prisoner.

#172. Posted by: cmonroe at October 13, 2006 4:16 PM

Was reading these and flashed back to Benry's Beach Breakfast. Remember when he made the observation that Kate said Sawyer's name first? That is the sort of astute observation that someone who is interested in behavioral sciences would make. Also, I wonder how that played into the Others decision to put Kate in the cage next to Sawyer (instead of, say, in a tank adjacent to Jack).

I do think there's an aspect of "breaking" involved in all of this. Out of everything we're seeing this seems to be the most obvious. In that way I wouldn't find it strange if they had Kate wear the dress to elicit a primal response from Sawyer. This is reinforced even more by the "chain gang" guard's telling Kate she can wear the dress or nothing at all. Sounded to me like there is a definite purposeful motivation (or mandate) to keep Kate looking pretty.

They're breaking all of their spirits - and the way to do that to a group is to break the spirits of their strongest members. This takes me back to the fact that they kept Sawyer, Jack, and Kate. These are obviously the survivors with the strongest wills and they would therefore be the hardest to break.

This isn't anything new. Conditioning is based on behavioral control. We see it when people train pets. We also see it with organized religion (i.e. controlling peoples' strongest urges like the urge to have sex). This is a basic tenet of society - for people to get along they must be organized and for people to be organized they must have controlled behavior. By demonstrating that you can control the strongest behavior you are in essence effectively controlling all behavior. So that's my analogy.

What it means in the big scheme of things is questionable. My gut is that this all has to do with creating a utopian society somehow...

- S

#173. Posted by: Stefan at October 13, 2006 4:23 PM

@ Stontilam

You wrote:

Just have a feeling that the little boxes made of ticky-tacky suburb was designed by the dharma folks to be a Garden of Eden: it's purpose is to keep the Others alive to start the human race again, when all is LOST in the rest of the world because of the V. equation.

I find that one of the most fascinating suppositions of all.

@ Everyone else - All of us make erors (oops) in our blog submissions, but isn't it interesting the word that is most often misspelled is "definitely."

#174. Posted by: ButchM at October 13, 2006 4:40 PM

@Stontilam: I like the way you think - that's an original theory of what's going on with the Others and the island.

@ ButchM:

You're right - I definetly misspell that word all the time. ;-)

#175. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 4:46 PM

Oh Mac! You had me in stiches this week. The "grieving hookers and secret lovers line" had me in tears.

One question for the group: We know (or at least we think we know) that Ben is their leader. So, back to last season's quandaries, how did he get trapped in Rousseau's net? Did he do it on purpose, or does this perhaps give us insight into if she is connected to the Others.

#176. Posted by: aecookie at October 13, 2006 4:49 PM

ok so i am completely going out on a limb here but is it a possibility the benry was once a prisoner himself. When he made the comment about juliette never making him soup it just sounded wierd to me. Maybe be he was just refering to when he and juliette could have possibly had some kind of relationship but also he could have been refering to a time when he was prisoner. if he has been on the island his whole life maybe he was born on the island like aaron was and then he was taken prisoner and put throught the same situations jack, kate and sawyer are now going through untill The Others knew he could be trusted. and maybe juliette took care of him just like what she is doing with jack.
like i said before i could be completely wrong about this but it was just a thought i didnt see mentioned yet.
anybody have any opinions.

#177. Posted by: sawyer<3 at October 13, 2006 4:51 PM

@aecookie:

I think Ben is the leader, however, I don't think that the Others know everything that is going on with the island. It is possible, even though they knew about Danielle, that they didn't know about her traps. I find it hard to believe that she is a part of their group and they kidnapped her daughter, Alex, as an infant. It just strikes me that they are not as omnipotent as they pretend to be.

#178. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 4:54 PM

@ Sawyer>3 maybe but a prisoner to there susposed leader i think he'd be down in the pecking order like a grunt

#179. Posted by: maestr06 at October 13, 2006 4:55 PM

@aecookie:

Sorry - I meant omniscient, not omnipotent - all knowing, as opposed, to all powerful.

My bad - I meant that they are not as omniscient as they pretend to be.

#180. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 13, 2006 4:57 PM

Wow i relly love these summary things they are so funny and help me pick up on stuff i missed :)

#181. Posted by: TheGlassBallerina at October 13, 2006 5:07 PM

Benry really confuses me. Why did he refer to "him" being all powerful, and that "he" would kill him (Benry) if he found out he disclosed information about the others.

Why was he in the woods alone? Why was he captured and the others couldn't get him?

Why does he have bug eyes?

Definitlie, most defanetely, I want to know! :)

#182. Posted by: meg at October 13, 2006 5:17 PM

I also think that the Others are trying to break Jack, Sawyer, and Kate... But to me it looks like this Sawyer's kind of "fun and games". But it seems like he's playing the "big brother" role for the distressed and almost broken Kate.

My first assumption was that Jae jumped after Jin left. And I still think that's probably the case, but good point about the guy in the airport bathroom. Sun's dad does have people watch over Jin.

On a lighter note... The Hurley Bird was in in Season 1 and Season 2 finale's. Seems to be an annual thing. I dont think there's any big plot to the bird. Just something that freaks out Hurley.

Hurley "Did that bird just say my name"
Sawyer "yeah, and right after that it crapped gold"

#183. Posted by: middies at October 13, 2006 5:18 PM

@maestr06:
it is true that it would be pretty hard to go from prisoner to leader but is it a possibility that benrys parents were the leaders before him and so on and so forth. this might explain how he was a prisoner but now he is running The Others. and to explain why he was prisoner mayber he rebelled when he was a teenager and lost the trust of his parents and the others so they kept him prisoner for a while untill they knew he could be trusted again

#184. Posted by: sawyer<3 at October 13, 2006 5:21 PM

Following the Hanso Adoptions link ther is a link to the Mack Thompson Law http://tinyurl.com/y9afhc which has this article "Mack is proud to finally notify the public that he has formally filed suit againt The Hanso Foundation following the foundation's acquisition of Oceanic Airlines." and continues with this - "You may recall that Los Angeles was to be the destination of Oceanic Airlines Flight 815, a jet liner utilizing a test version of the Artificial Intelligence Piloting System (AIPS) supplied by The hanso Foundation." and "Mack Thompson Law has made a connection between each employee terminated and the events surrounding the crash of Flight 815. The allegation put forth is that HansoAir wrongfully terminated over 200 employees due to their possible knowledge of illegal, immoral, and unethical activities committed by The Hanso Foundation."

This show is so cool.


#185. Posted by: junior at October 13, 2006 5:21 PM

Sawyer<3 i dont think he would be imprisoned if he came from a line of leaders. I think the soup is just a referance to the supposed relationship between juliet and benrey i just don't see how an outside person could work their way up to leader and its not like he's spent his whole life working up and it was extreamly tough cause he's not that old i like the theory though ;)

#186. Posted by: TheGlassBallerina at October 13, 2006 5:30 PM

@ TheGlassBallerina

Cute name - nice thinking.

#187. Posted by: ButchM at October 13, 2006 5:33 PM

>Does Sawyer suspect Kate is up to something with the Others because she tastes like strawberries, eaten at Benry's Surfside Cafe?

I doubt it. We don't really know if Kate ate any of the breakfast, or, if she did, how long it was from then until she arrived (wrists bloody) at the bear cages. Remember she was hungry, and gratefully accepted Sawyer's fishcuit when she arrived.

After that, there was apparently at least one night intervening, and then a day of heavy labor. I doubt any literal taste of strawberries could have remained after all that. Most likely Sawyer being romantic. That smoothie.

#188. Posted by: Cecil Rose at October 13, 2006 5:33 PM

hello mac this thing is amazing you are like my hero and I just wanted to thank you for doing this whole thing because without it i would be REAL confused. An incredibly random thought: I don't know Alex's age but she looks like MAYBE ITS POSSIBLE that Rousseau had her on the island and the others stole Alex.

Did I mention u are my hero?

#189. Posted by: sarah at October 13, 2006 5:33 PM

Hey I want to play too:Hookedonlost: 8 straight is correct. Four games vs. Yankees and four...

Sorry for sarcasm but after the 12th posting correcting hookedonlost I lost it. What does this say about Bostonians or baseball fans?

Regarding this episode:
-I would give last weeks show a B and this week's show an A or A+! It was simply incredible how the writers could completely turn around our view of Jin and Sun. The patience, vision and writing skill was astonishing. Its nice to see Americans viewers finally viewing cultures outside of their own melting pot media mainstream.

-One obvious miss on Mac's review(sacrilege!) is the fact that Mr. Paik handed Jin the heavy file folder with the pictures of Sun and Jae. The folder is thick enough to realize that the love affair has been well documented by a private investigator of some sort. Jin still had this folder as he walks in for dinner. Perhaps this is why he is so cold with Sun.

-Jae did not kill himself. Paik's thugs did - they just cleaned up after Sun.

-There is no evidence that Jin regularly acts a thug for Paik. I might be wrong but we've only seen Jin come home with bloody hands once before. Maybe that previous scene was the aftermath of this one episode. Also why Sun was so concerned as to what he was up to? Just a thought, I'm probably wrong but I feel guilty about misreading Jin.

They have been on the island for 69 days. Jin has been diagnosd as being impotent. There is no chance that Jae and Sun did not copulate! This leads to a strong conclusion that Jin is not the father of the baby. Oh Sun, you little...And again as Mac said - We are sorry Jin! Throw that ho overboard or at least confront her on the Maury Pauvich show.

RE: Concern about Ben being born on the island: There is game footage of the island initially being constructed by the UN as a response to the world nuclear threat of 1950 and 60s. That is around 50 years ago. No problem for Ben to be born on the island. Also, the nuclear threat was all about the concern of the US or USSR pushing the nuclear button. This might explain the complete raison d'etre of the island. The constant reference to B.F. Skinner, the Valenzetti equation, the video cameras in the Swan bunker where the must push a button every 104 minutes. Its just so obvious...(just kidding)

Namiste,
Scoop


#190. Posted by: scoopdownunder at October 13, 2006 6:27 PM

Does the lost experiance game thing acctually relate to lost the show as in this is whats going on you have to play the game to know?
Srry if this makes no sense

#191. Posted by: TheGlassBallerina at October 13, 2006 6:33 PM

I didn't have time to follow all of the Lost Experience steps, but I did read the recaps.

I remember them mentioning that the LE references the show as "a bunch of propaganda to throw people off the real truth." I don't know who said it or in what context it was said, though. Always remember that lying is a viable plot shifting device.

Also... how come no one else is talking about those websites that were posted? The adoption one is crazy and the news link about the cloning is sort of crazy, too! Are those official Lost sites or hoaxes? I think you can tell by figuring out what IP it's hosted at.

If they are official, doesn't that give some interesting insight into the whole kid and cloning question? I never found the cloning thing too plausible (just seemed sort of lame) but this seems to indicate otherwise. The reference to Locke's legs make me wonder if someone got to Locke at some point and fixed up his legs for him? But didn't he walk right after he woke up on the beach?

I need to stop thinking about this stuff. Gotta say - I am constantly impressed by the nature of this story. It is so in depth and involved... and this itself magnified by the people interested in it.

#192. Posted by: Stefan at October 13, 2006 6:55 PM

Did anyone else think that the woman that Sun shot, looked and sounded a lot like the woman that Jack's father went to see in Australia?

#193. Posted by: rose06 at October 13, 2006 7:25 PM

I went to that Hanso adoptions page, and it has an interesting link: under "Lost Key to Longer Life", it has this paragraph:
"For many years, our scientists have searched for the "key" to long life. Our recent discoveries are already benefiting countless individuals participating in our off-site research. "
This "off-site research" is obviously the Island. SO maybe the Others are the long-life experiments?

#194. Posted by: Christina at October 13, 2006 9:22 PM

NEWSFLASH! Jae and Sun have had sex! Those of you who are looking for more proof will be sorely disappointed; this is Disney-owned ABC, not Cinemax.

#195. Posted by: BJ Nemeth at October 13, 2006 10:46 PM

I think the flashback stories are starting to become a liability, as most of the drama has already played out. We're delving into small details at this point that pale in comparison to the shocking revelations in Season 1 (and, to a lesser extent, Season 2).

When we first saw Sun & Jin in backstory, it was RIVETING. (He's a violent murderer! No wait, he's not! She learned English to escape from him! No wait, she decided she really loves him!) Now, it's minutiae. (Did Jae commit suicide or get thrown? Does it really matter?)

The further they go back in time (See Jack in med school! See Hurley in middle school! See Kate at an all-girl's catholic school!) the less relevant it will become. (Although I'd still take that Kate flashback.)

There are still some unknowns for Locke, Eko, and a few other Losties ... but the intriguing backstories now belong to the Others (Juliet, Benry, Alex, etc.). Hopefully we'll get some of their backstories soon.

#196. Posted by: BJ Nemeth at October 13, 2006 10:59 PM

Long time reader, first time poster - been enjoying the blog for ages - thanks mac and thanks to all for the amazing theories and insights.

Does anyone know where Sayid got a map of the island? It's shown at the beginning of the episode just before they move up the coast. Looks very detailed...

#197. Posted by: Sunaholic at October 14, 2006 6:59 AM

Sayid swiped it from danielle rousseaus bunker in season 1 when he was held captive by her

#198. Posted by: maestr06 at October 14, 2006 8:03 AM

I don't think that the Others are as omniscient as they claim to be because I still don't understand how they didn't know about the sailboat. But, I definately/defenately/definitely do think that FHG/Benry got caught in Rousseau's trap on purpose to play a major mind game with the survivors and to get more insight into them as people. Remember how he got into Locke's head so quickly? His "escaping" the hatch was a major part of Michael's plan to bring Kate, Jack, Sawyer, and Hurley to them as well. I think he used and is going to use everything he learned in the hatch to his (and the Others') advantage somehow before all is said and done.

#199. Posted by: Vikki at October 14, 2006 8:44 AM

@rose06, I thought the same thing about Colleen being the girl in Australia that Christian went to see too....and I am still convinced we have seen Carl somewhere else also!

#200. Posted by: Vikki at October 14, 2006 8:46 AM

About the Lost experience game and the posts above....another bit of info revealed in the game alluded to the fact that Paik Industries had business ties to the Hanso Foundation. I don't remember what capacity the two did business, or how much validity there is to this claim, but I do remember reading it on the wikipedia site.

Wikipedia has a pretty organized recap of the entire summer's game and all the clues, videos, etc. Here is the link:

http://tinyurl.com/y5pgtk

I have never used that tiny URL thing before, so I hope that worked....

#201. Posted by: Vikki at October 14, 2006 8:53 AM

Fun whack theory - READY?----- What if, over the next few episodes the clones (or perhaps their the originals?) of Jack, Kate & Sawyer raised on the island from birth walk back into the original losties camp to infiltrate!? Or perhaps they are already dropped into their lives back in the non-island world. @SCOOP ---Oh yes, one more thing - there is a difference between impotent and low to no sperm count. Which is what Jin was diagnosed with ------

#202. Posted by: Chehree at October 14, 2006 11:33 AM

@Rose06
No way was Colleen the same woman who Christian Shepard went to see in Australia! That woman had an ACCENT! Colleen is much younger and is clearly American...not even close. Sorry!

#203. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at October 14, 2006 3:41 PM

Mac - you rock!

Two things sticking in my craw:

1. Any convincing theories - really - as to why Kate, Sawyer and Jack were chosen by the Others? Posters have surmised it's because, as the three strongest-willed of the bunch, they're the key individuals the Others must somehow "break."

I don't buy it. All three of them have had their moments of weakness and doubt, and likewise other losties have shown as much courage, resolve or grit. Eko? Rose? Sayid? Libby? Ana Lucia? (The latter two were still alive when Michael was given his list.) Even Claire or Jin, etc. So really, the Others' motives are still a big unknown.

2. Now that we know the Others have had fancy high-tech gadgets at their disposal, why didn't they make use of them earlier? While kidnapping the taillie kids (whereupon Eko swiftly gave mortal blows to two of them), or as protection for Etahn and What's-his-name when infiltrating the camp?

And if the Others had set their sights on Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, why couldn't they have simply shocked or poison darted them one at a time, while each was alone, and hauled them back to Walden II? Why the elaborate deal with Michael?

And during Benry's captivity the Others, holding fort over in Walden II, would have seen from the monitor screens that their leader had been captured. Even if the "capture" was a ruse to learn more about the losties, would they really have risked sitting by while Benry underwent a closed-room interrogation at the hands of an angry, grieving professional torturer/killer? Armed with shocker-gadget and gun, Juliet could have spirited Benry away, or at least slipped him a tayser, in no time!

I hope there's a rational explanation, beyond "plot device."

#204. Posted by: iheartsayid at October 14, 2006 3:50 PM

I thought she had a bit of an accent or a hint of one in this episode. Could be that I heard it becaues I thought she was that person right away. It wasn't an afterthought, it was instantly I thought she was the same person. That may be because I watched season two in its entirety the weekend before this epi. I am reserving my thoughts on this one, I am not convinced they are not the same person.

#205. Posted by: roseob at October 14, 2006 4:49 PM

Did anyone else notice how Pickett and that girl Sun shot kissed briefly when Pickett was taking K&S to the rock quarry? I remember he (Pickett) said something like "be careful". Anyone gonna show any sympathy when he finds out she got shot? Personally, I think that the Others are just humans who are suspicious that someone is on the island where they(the Others) are clearly doing some kind of experiments and work. As far as we know, they're not aliens or bloodthirsty murderers intent on the destruction of all the Losties.

#206. Posted by: oo wa a a a at October 14, 2006 7:18 PM

Vikki - I don't remember who you were fighting with, but you definitelie/defantely' definitiley have me on your side now...:)
I am going to check that url now, and see what it has.
I haven't explored anything on line yet though because I figure it isn't going to reveal anything major about the show - and it hasn't!

Unfortunately, much of my family is growing disgusted with the show. Not me, of course, I am in for life with this show (I am married to Lost...:). Anyway, I just wonder about the big plan, because I think the old senile audience is having a hard time...yes, you guessed it, I am in FLORIDA!!!! LOL

#207. Posted by: meg at October 14, 2006 8:55 PM

Hey well..as i remember when jin returned in season 2 the next episode they saw jin come out of the tent with his shirt of and sun right behind him then he looked at hurly and hurly gave him the thumbs up...ya so it seems like jin and sun were gettin busy in the tent..so it could be jins baby..

#208. Posted by: Evan at October 14, 2006 11:52 PM

@iheatsayid And if the Others had set their sights on Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, why couldn't they have simply shocked or poison darted them one at a time, while each was alone, and hauled them back to Walden II? Why the elaborate deal with Michael

when ethan did this with charlie and claire he nearly got caught, and sice what happened to ethan (dead) Goodwin(dead)and henry/ben there where probably no volunteers.

#209. Posted by: maestr06 at October 15, 2006 4:06 AM

I don't think I saw this mentioned in the re-cap or the comments....

Sayid's plan was to take two Others hostage - so that one could be used to make the other cooperate. What do you think of this theory...

1. The Others took Sawyer so that he would make Kate cooperate (worked already when they shocked him as punishement for Kate asking about Jack)
2. The Others took Kate to make Jack cooperate

#210. Posted by: Mar at October 15, 2006 5:45 PM

Just a random thought, but the four-toed foot may be part of some mythological creature, instead of a Homer Simpson-esque human. Why someone built a giant statue in it's honor is another question, I guess.
Also, I agree that The Others' ignorance of the sailboat is hard to believe. So, another random thought: I think some of them did know about it, and didn't tell Benry. I believe we'll see some deeper cracks' in The Others' society this season. It doesn't seem as though everyone likes Benry.

#211. Posted by: derek at October 15, 2006 8:03 PM

Has there ever been any footage of any of the "Others" feet? Maybe they all only have four toes?

Perhaps a slight homage to 1984?
"4 Toes Good, 5 Toes bad!"

I'm waiting for a future episode where we learn about a Dharma geneticist who engineers animals with multiple arses....

Keep up the good work Mac!

#212. Posted by: Shikotee at October 15, 2006 11:59 PM

Shikotee -- You're probably thinking of George Orwell's other famous book, "Animal Farm." It contains the classic line, "Four legs good, two legs bad."

The homage to "1984" will come into effect when they start torturing our Losties and trying to brainwash them.

#213. Posted by: BJ Nemeth at October 16, 2006 1:38 AM

@ Shikotee

funny you should say that, on the lost pedia site it suggests that Bea Klugh as four toes, the explanations are either the actor as actually lost her toe or it falls into the mythology of Lost

#214. Posted by: maestr06 at October 16, 2006 9:02 AM

When Benry was telling Jack that he would send him home if he cooperated, it occurred to me that Jack doesn't really have a home (or at least a happy home) to go back to. And I think the same could be said for the rest of the Losties--although I may be forgetting someone. Of the ones who come to mind, they all seem to have pretty depressing or dangerous lives back home. They are prime candidates for being persuaded to stay on the island, if given the right incentive. Is there someone who is really eager to get back to his/her life "off island"?

#215. Posted by: mamaz at October 16, 2006 9:43 AM

Yikes - I totally meant "Animal Farm", and am surprised I typed in "1984".

See what happens when you post before going to bed!

Just don't send me to y'olde Glue Factory, as they did with old Boxer.

Nevertheless - Big Dharma is Watching!

#216. Posted by: Shikotee at October 16, 2006 9:58 AM

@Grimm
Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme.

#217. Posted by: JAC at October 16, 2006 11:47 AM

So what did I say that was wrong? Stop correcting if you don't have facts to back it up.

JAC

#218. Posted by: JAC at October 16, 2006 11:49 AM

@JAC:

Dude, sorry if you misunderstood, I wasn't trying to correct you. I was quoting a line from a movie I saw once, can't remember the title. The character was told he was acting like a psycopath and he hurled back a line that basically went: "A psycopath doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, a sociopatch does, he just doesn't care". Or some such. I apologize for any misunderstanding Dude.

#219. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 16, 2006 12:23 PM

George Busch getting realected, Christopher Reeve dying, and the red sox winning the world series. Arent those 3 of the signs of the apocalypse. Hmmmm. Mabey there is something to that purgatory theory.

#220. Posted by: Cory at October 16, 2006 1:33 PM

Mamaz
Hurley comes to mind that would want to get home and has a home to go to.

#221. Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2006 2:01 PM

I think it's obvious that the Others have had plenty of technology since at least before the Losties crashed onto the island. So the question of why they didn't use that technology during the early attacks is a good one.

My guess is that they didn't want the survivors to know what they were in for.

There seem to be obvious ties to military in the way they organize expeditions, etc. So my guess is that they are using misinformation a great deal to their advantage.

After all... remember how Walt claimed that they were just a bunch of dirty people living in mud huts, etc.? The idea was to make the Losties believe that they were not a formidable opponent - that way they wouldn't prepare for encounters properly.

- S

#222. Posted by: Stefan at October 16, 2006 2:51 PM

We've all been focusing on the plight of Jack, Sawyer, and Kate. We've been wondering what happened to Locke, Eko, and Desmond. Has anybody given any thought to what the capture of Jack, Saywer, and Kate (along with Michael's betrayal)will do to Hurley? Emotionally that is. I mean, there isn't a more laid back, easy going person on the whole island. I wonder if these events will change him from Stay-Puft to Rambo. Anyone think that he might be feeling guilt over being released by the Others?

#223. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 16, 2006 3:17 PM

SCOOP - Thank you, thank you for coming to my rescue. I started to wonder if anyone noticed I caught my oversight back on Thursday about an hour after my original post. Yes, I know now that it was 8 games straight. :)

Meanwhile, Sawyer<3... I posted the same theory on the forum Thurs morning before Mac's review came out. My husband and I talked about that during the show, that maybe Benry was a recruit (much like Jack), maybe the 'leader' of his plane crash of survivors, and recruited by the others back in the day. Maybe he liked what he saw and rose through the ranks.

On a side note: Isn't Joop 'proof' that Dharma is into some sort of age altering, perhaps manipulating a traditional life cycle to be elongated? Is it possible that Juliet is older than she appears due to Dharma technology? Maybe she was the one who recruited Benry, but didn't take the sweet, make-you-soup approach with him. Therefore the comment about not making him soup was somewhat envious, with a twist of nostalgic irony. ???

#224. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 16, 2006 4:03 PM

Grimm
No problem. I thought you were trying to be a jerk. Hard to tell online sometimes I guess. There are a couple of other boards I go to where people flame each other for the smallest errors, which lead to pages and pages of arguements. Apology accepted and I also apologize if I came back too strong. Remember we dont wanna end up like Vikki and her girlfriend! No offense Vik.
JAC

#225. Posted by: JAC at October 16, 2006 4:41 PM

Something Sawyer said to Kate struck me as very revealing about the Others. When they were put back in the cages after their first full day on the "chain gang" Saywer was explaining to Kate why he did what he did. At one ppoint he said, "did you see the look on their faces, I'd guess most of 'em aint never seen any real action". That statement tells me that many of the Others there that day have never seen real physical violence or anger first hand. They were almost like children seeing something dangerous for the first time and not knowing exactly how to react. This could mean that many of the Others were born and raised on the island, thus having been shielded from the outside world and isolated in their own little version of Utopia they didn't know how to react to Sawyer's outburst and actions.

Thoughts?

#226. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 16, 2006 4:44 PM

LOL JAC:

No problem Dude. Thanks. It is hard to tell online when someone is being a wise-ass or sarcastic.

No harm, no foul.

#227. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 16, 2006 4:46 PM

@Hookedonlost:

I think there's something to your theory of Juliet being older than we think, or at least the possibility exists. One other candidate could be Pickett. When they brought Michael to their fake village in "Three Minutes" he took some of Michael's blood and then said, "See you in the funny papers." That saying is pretty old, it dates back to the 1940's or 50's I think. It's possible that the Others who are showing a strong personality are much older than they appear and are subjects in the life extension project. This would explain their confidence and demeanor.

Thoughts?

#228. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 16, 2006 4:52 PM

Juliet did not seem phased by the news about the sailboat. She said something like..."What are they going to do, sail around in circles? Good it will keep them busy." If this means theyreally can't get off the island, then what the heck happened to Michael and Walt?

#229. Posted by: Gatorgal at October 16, 2006 10:59 PM

Another random observation:
Benry told Jack that they (The Losties) had been on the island now for 66 days.
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 = 66

All that is missing is the last number ... 48. Can each of the numbers be traced back to a key event on the island on the corresponding date? (ex. day four; then eight days later; then 15 more days later, etc) If so, what happens when 48 more days pass? In theory, that could be the end of the show...approx. 21-23 episodes per season.

#230. Posted by: Gatorgal at October 16, 2006 11:13 PM

Gatorgal:

I thought Benry said that the Losties had been on the island 69 days, instead of 64?

#231. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 17, 2006 8:20 AM

gatorgal - sorry i meant 64. oopsy.

#232. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 17, 2006 9:00 AM

He said 69

#233. Posted by: Bob at October 17, 2006 9:27 AM

Mr. Grimm,

I think the possibility explains a lot. All of the circa 1945/WWII weaponry? Obviously they have more up to date technology as well, with the CD player, etc. but 'Downtown' seemed to mean something to Juliet. It was released in 1964. Now, I'm all about classics and 60's music, but that song had real meaning to her, as if she needed it to transform her mood. So, was it because it was her favorite pre-island song? Or are the lyrics the crucial part?

"When you're alone and life is making you lonely
You can always go - downtown
When you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry
Seems to help, I know - downtown
Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?

The lights are much brighter there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares
So go downtown, things'll be great when you're
Downtown - no finer place, for sure
Downtown - everything's waiting for you"

She can't find refuge AKA 'Downtown' in Dharmaland. Is she yearning to find it with her new captives or just had a moment of nostalgia to the old days prior to the island?

OK, I'm done rambling. I need another episode to ponder. Is it Wednesday yet? ;)

#234. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 17, 2006 9:52 AM

One more thing that I didn't catch until re-watching. Jae's room # was 1516. (Someone above may have mentioned it, but if so, I missed it.)

#235. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 17, 2006 10:29 AM

@Gatorgal
No offense but Benry said 69 days and the last number is 42 not 48.

Check out this link. This guy is either a big Lost fan or a lunatic. He says Hanso made his step-father 'disappear'.

http://www.mackthompsonlaw.com/cases.html

#236. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 17, 2006 10:33 AM

GAFRAM!
(Great and funny review again Mac!)
YATKOALER!
(You are the king of all Lost episode reviewers!)

Remember those? I haven't posted in a while.

I think some of you are reading too much into the episode as usual. The writers aren't trying to make everything so difficult for us to understand! Sun DID sleep with Jae. There is really no doubt about it. So the baby really could be (and probably is) his, not Jin's. And last season when Sun told Jin she hadn't been with anyone else, she clearly had a look of guilt on her face.

Jae did commit suicide...Sun DID NOT throw him from the balcony, nor did any henchmen. The pearls in his hand are proof...it's not rocket science to get what the writers were trying to convey. Jae realized he could never be with Sun, and didn't want to live with out her. So he jumped. He was not pushed- he jumped.

I thought Colleen said 'daddy' when she entered the Kate/Sawyer scene, and the dude (Pickett?) kissed her like a daughter...anyone else catch this or am I crazy?

#237. Posted by: JoePike at October 17, 2006 10:45 AM

@PiecesofArzt:

I visited the site for that Mack Thompson. I don't know - it looks a little hoaxy. In one paragraph he refers to Hanso's responsibility for the "crash" of flight 815. Please forgive me for nitpicking, but the outside world doesn't know for sure that Flt 815 crashed, only that it disappeared. Think Amelia Earhardt(?), she "disappeared" during her flight around the world because her plane was never found, why don't we say she "crashed". Like I said - forgive me for nitpicking, but if that site were sponsored by the cretors of the show or ABC they would have been a little more slick than making that kind of error.

#238. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 17, 2006 11:26 AM

JoePike -

Been wondering where you were. ;-)

I wondered about Pickett & Colleen's relationship too. The kiss was more of a peck, not necessarily sexual in nature, but he doesn't appear to be old enough to be her father. Then again, back to the possible ability to slow down the aging process? Don't know.

#239. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 17, 2006 12:21 PM

@Mr. Grimm

Sorry, it looks like I was suckered by the Lost Experience game from over the summer.

#240. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 17, 2006 12:26 PM

the theory about the others scared of voilence, whatabout ethan, goodwin and the two on the raft.

#241. Posted by: maestr06 at October 17, 2006 12:36 PM

@JoePike
I couldn't agree more...Why are people going so crazy over this basically obvious episode? Don't get me wrong...I loved it; every second! But DUH! Obviously Jae jumped, Sun had 'relations' with Jae, and Colleen is not Jack's long lost step-mother.

Can't wait till tomorrow-

#242. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at October 17, 2006 12:59 PM

I am pretty sure Collen said Danny.
I was thinking they are brother and sister by that kiss

#243. Posted by: bob at October 17, 2006 1:12 PM

my impression also

#244. Posted by: maestr06 at October 17, 2006 1:20 PM

@maestro:

I wasn't saying that they were scared of violence, at least not all of them. I think that there is a group of Others that came to the island from the outside world (Colleen, Pickett, Juliet, Ethan, Goodwin), and they are the ones that are comfortable, if not familiar, with violence. The ones that are apprehensive about violence, or are unsure of how to handle it, could be the ones that were raised on the island and were therefore never exposed to true anger or indiscriminate violence. I don't know if what I'm writing makes any sense, it sounded pretty good in my head though. ;-)

#245. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 17, 2006 2:12 PM

I don't know why, but my distinct impression of Colleen and Pickett's kiss was that they are a couple. Not brother and sister or father and daughter. Just my gut reaction. Also, the way Sawyer was smirking at them, you got the feeling it was a "couple" relationship and not a family bond. IMHO.

#246. Posted by: Amanda S. at October 17, 2006 2:28 PM

Let us not forget about the snowmen (smelling like carrots, mind you) monitoring from afar. Would this take away from the hospital theory as they are a separate entity?

#247. Posted by: RichS at October 17, 2006 3:09 PM

I don't buy the theory that they are in a mental institution (nurse stations as hatches, the others as orderlies). We have seen the others interact without the losties - so how would that be explained, the orderlies taking a coffee break?

Also, does anyone else get tired of these 20 paragraph posts that go on forever. I for one usually skip them over.

#248. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at October 17, 2006 4:11 PM

@ Mr. Grimm I kind of like that theory, seeing as juliet seems frustrated at being on the island, like she as been in the 'real'world before

I have heard rumours that colleen called Pickett 'daddy' not Danny is this correct?

#249. Posted by: maestr06 at October 17, 2006 4:25 PM

maestr06

I'm not sure what she called Pickett. I thought it was Danny, but someone posted that they thought they heard her call him Daddy. I guess one would be more intriguing than the other.

Mac did you hear what she called him?

#250. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 17, 2006 4:35 PM

I found the following post on a different website. It seems like alot of thought was put into this theory:

Since early last season, I’ve speculated that the island exists in some sort of limbo, LOST from the world, lying alongside what I referred to as ‘parallel timelines’. We’ve all seen theories involving multiple timelines, complete with screenshots of different furnishings of Desmond’s hatch. Not gonna rehash that here.

I’m betting that the Others have access to TIME itself. They seem to have the ability to see the future. Although for them, it’s not the future… the island exists in multiple time periods simultaneously, so the past/present/future are all one big wellspring of knowledge from which they can draw. (By the way, I think this is where the whispers are coming from)

This is why they know everything about all the main characters. Did they know this instantly? No. They needed lists. They needed names. Once they had names, they could look this information up, much like we use the internet today. They could see who was ‘good’ (whatever their definition of that is) and determine who they cared about and why.

This is why when Jack asks “Is she happy?” Juliet can answer “Yes, very happy”. Perhaps Juliet can see the rest of what happens(ed) to Sarah. Maybe she went on to marry that guy and have six kids and live to be a hundred. Juliet knows this. Everything’s documented, from Jack’s life to his father’s death. She’s got access to the past, the present, and the future. In her own words: “We can get anything we want”. If you think there's a rational, uber-conspiracy, CIA Jack Bauer way for this to happen, you're deluding yourself.

And when Ben says “Your plane crashed on September 22nd, 2004” – why would he mention the year? If you and I were having a conversation about what happened a month or two ago, we wouldn’t need to. It’s assumed we mean the current year. By specifically stating 2004 Ben is making a point.

I think the Others ‘contact’ with the outside world is one-sided. They can see what happened or what’s happening or even what’s going to happen… but that’s all. When Jack asks Ben “Why wouldn’t you leave?” he seems to perk up a bit and smirks: “Yes Jack, why wouldn’t we leave?” This could indicate that he likes it on the island, but I think it’s more along the lines that he can’t leave. Why can’t he leave? Because in the real world… he doesn’t truly exist. Ben was born on the island – born into limbo – born into non-existence. That’s why he wouldn’t leave.

Anyone still with me? Good. Almost done.

Just because sixty-nine days have passed since the crash, don’t be fooled into believing it’s November whatever he said it was. To the survivors? Yes. To the Others? Everything is timeless. Many of the more traditional (i.e. non-sci fi) viewers hate that, but I have a feeling this is going to be the “big reveal” during the end of episode six. Either that, or “Kate’s an Other” – after all, it is a Kate-centric episode. But I still don’t think she is.

And my “Manifestation theory”, listed in the theories section - still stands. I still believe the island itself can interpret the thoughts, dreams, and desires of individuals into existence. I believe this explains many of the things the characters have been seeing since season one, as well as the Other’s uncannily immaculate village. It’s not exactly as if someone wishes for a glass of water it should appear in their hand, or if they wished hard for a rescue boat one would show up – I just don’t think it works like that. The island works its own ways, I’d imagine. Although perhaps the Others have learned more about how to utilize its power, even they can't simply wish for anything they want. It's not a wish machine.

To me, the island is a sticky ball rolling through time and space, picking up random people and things on its surface. The Black Rock, the four-toed statue, flight 815… everyone and anyone who didn’t come voluntarily during the Hanso/Dharma days of holding the island in place with the magnet.

Any thoughts?

#251. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 17, 2006 4:53 PM

I have a theory on the relationship between Ben and Juliet and maybe even possibly Coleen and Danny.

I think that Ben and Juliet are twins. REMEMBER "the BAD TWIN" manuscript that Sawyer was reading? Maybe Ben was born first, therefore has a more controling personality and Juliet has more of a "let's see where this goes" attitude toward things. They probably don't always see eye to eye but they both believe in the same philosophy or end-game. They just have their own ideas on how it should be acheived. The other people in their group have probably taken sides with either of them and adds fuel to the mix.

Coleen and Danny could also be brother and sister. Maybe no one is together as a married couple if they were all brought there as children. They grew up as a family/village together. They have a strong bond with each other but maybe they don't conform to our society of marriage like we would growing up in our world.

Just a thought.

#252. Posted by: cmonroe at October 17, 2006 5:21 PM

Mr. Grimm,
That's a great theory. I really like that, thanks for sharing.

It'd be great if they had a scene in "the Pearl" similar to the scene in Spaceballs:

Sandurz: Sir, I have an idea. Corporal, get me a videotape of Spaceballs: the Movie. [Corporal goes off to Mr. Rental]
Dark Helmet: Colonel Sandurz, may I speak with you please? (throws facemask up) How can there be a videotape of the movie? We're still in the middle of making it!
Sandurz: Yes, but there's been a new breakthrough in home video technology.
Dark Helmet: There has?
Sandurz: Yes. Instant cassettes. They're out in stores before the movie is finished.
Dark Helmet (in disbelief): Nah.
Corporal: Here it is sir! Spaceballs!
Sandurz: Very good, now put it in the machine. (FBI Warning is on TV screen) Much too early, prepare to fast forward.
Corporal: Preparing to fast forward.
Sandurz: Fast forward!
Corporal: Fast forwarding, sir!
(Early parts of movie run by at accelerated pace. Movie reaches Ludicrous Speed scene and reaches point where Dark Helmet flies into controls.)
Dark Helmet: No no, go past-past this part. In fact, never play it again

Ok, Ok, so that wouldn't be so appropriate in Lost, but it's funny to think about.

#253. Posted by: Dudelost at October 17, 2006 5:24 PM

Didn't Benry say to Juliet "you never brought me soup" in a way that may suggest that he might have been in Jacks position in the same cell etc.
Which could be some kind of in initiation process into the darma world, much like hell week in college fraternities. Benry said the next two weeks will be very unpleasant. Maybe they can choose they normal world or the crazy dahrma world with all its perks(like endless knowledge or something)
Did anyone else notice this?

#254. Posted by: Veronica at October 17, 2006 6:15 PM

Watch it up there, Jac....you don't want to get on my "OTHER" - oops - I mean "bad" side.....ha ha

#255. Posted by: Vikki at October 17, 2006 7:40 PM

TGIW. :)

#256. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 10:42 AM

Mr Grimm,

You had me at..."And when Ben says “Your plane crashed on September 22nd, 2004” – why would he mention the year? If you and I were having a conversation about what happened a month or two ago, we wouldn’t need to. It’s assumed we mean the current year. By specifically stating 2004 Ben is making a point."

I didn't find this theory as much different than a purgatory-type scenario, until that point and that jumped off the screen at me. You're right about the "2004" remark. (Unless the writers put that there to remind US the audience that it was 2004, but then again, they know we keep up with those things.) There does seem to be some relevance to pointing out the year. Good catch!

#257. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 18, 2006 11:03 AM

Maybe he said 2004 so a bunch of viewers didn't go nuts a couple minutes later when he mentioned the Red Sox and showed the World Series footage (from 2004).

I still like the theory Mr. Grimm proposed but there could be other explanations to why Benry said "2004" that don't necessarily give support to that theory.

#258. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 11:11 AM

re: 2004

I have to agree with Dudelost's train of thought.
You have to remember that with TV, or any type of media that involves a viewer/reader, dialogue is not necessarily used as a means to convey realism - it is meant to convey information.

Mac - correct me if I am wrong, but is this not the first time that they established when these events were taking place? Have they ever before mentioned what year it was?

Strange as it may seem, but not every viewer would be able to "remember" that it was in 2004 that George W was re-elected, that Reeves passed away, etc.

I'm not so certain that Benry is making any specific point by mentioning 2004 - he is but a means of conveying information to us the viewers!

#259. Posted by: Shikotee at October 18, 2006 11:26 AM

I just want everyone to know that the theory I posted above is not my own. Thank you though for the kudos on the theory but it wouldn't be right for me to take credit for something that I didn't come up with. I was just lucky to come across it on another blog site. Sorry Mac, I meant to tell you that I'm still seeing other blogs. But you are the most special blog in my heart. ;-)

#260. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 18, 2006 11:40 AM

Maybe, maybe not. The time frame has been established multiple times (titles of episodes, Aaron still being a newborn, etc.) and if Benry simply said 69 days, that would have sufficed. But to point out 2004 as if it required an explanation.... Mr. Grimm might be onto something.

OR (I just love playing Devil's Advocate as we wait for tonight.) Maybe (follow me here) Benry was pointing out the date again to the audience because something HUGE is about to happen, something for which we needed a time frame for reference. Dec. 2004 - TSUNAMI ????? We all remember one of the largest & most tragic natural disasters in history, and according to Benry's dates, it's a mere 27 days away. They are assumed to be somewhere in the South Pacific??????

#261. Posted by: hookedonlost at October 18, 2006 11:50 AM

@Shikotee -- This is totally off the cuff, but I *think* the specific date was mentioned when Desmond told Locke that he brought down the plane. Can anyone confirm that?

@Mr. Grimm -- No worries. I, too, see other blogs ;)

#262. Posted by: mac at October 18, 2006 12:00 PM

A funny part of the last show was when Sawyer thought the guard was saying "and you'll be shot". "Shot?!?" he said and the guard said, "no, Shocked"! I thought that was funny.

Also, did anyone else think when Sawyer tried to use the shocker on one of the guards and it didn't work that maybe the head guard was the only one with one that worked? Like if they shocked him up front, they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Sawyer assumed that it was on lock, but I think it could be that none of the other shockers was energized. If the other workers were just planted there as many have surmised, then Sawyer would be the only one they had to worry about.

#263. Posted by: Curious George at October 18, 2006 12:04 PM

if memory serves, you are correct, mac. mac--
I'm not sure if Desmond said that year, but it was displayed on the paper in the scene where Locke and Desmond are talking about how Desmond thought he brought the plane down and I believe it was also discussed or shown in the scene with Locke and Ecko in the Pearl when they originally got the printout.

Mr Grimm--
I know that it's not "your" theory, but since you brought this theory to this blog, and this IS the only blog I visit re: Lost, I'm calling it Mr. Grimm's theory. I hope you, and others, don't mind. You did adequately point out that it was a theory you got from another board and that it was not your theory, but since you brought that theory to this board, I give you credit for it on this site. Anyone else feel this way? Now, if the actual brain behind that theory posts in this blog, I might have to change, but for now, it's all you, man. :)

#264. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 12:05 PM

doesn't anyone think it is strange that Tom and Bea wanted to conceal there names in season 2 and then ben walks up to jack and says his full name.

this could be proof that ben has lived on the island his entire life like if the survivors where to find rescue and tell the gouvernment they would look up ben linus and see hhis name is not recorded in DHARMA likewise if they searched for Tom and Bea they would maybe find a link.

this maybe means that Ethan and Goodwin also may of been born on the island as they revealed there names.

#265. Posted by: maestr06 at October 18, 2006 12:24 PM

@Dudelost:

LOL - Thanks man.

#266. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 18, 2006 12:41 PM

In investigating the symbolic meaning of images in the storyline, I have looked at the Hatch Map. It was drawn by a character to represent various locations/buildings/hatches on the island clustered around a large ?. Stripping away the character notations on the hatch drawing, it appears to represent a map of various buildings; a campus setting with significant open space. In the Mental Hospital theory, my perception was that most facilities are large, gray, industrial prisons surrounded by barbed wire. I searched to find an example of a campus setting mental hospital facility in real life, and to my surprise, I found one in Massachusetts.

This hospital’s geographic map had an erie siting of buildings around a lush, landscaped central courtyard like that of the Hatch Map. In reading its history, the facility was purposely developed to be a community setting, with landscaped open space, including an area where staff/patients played golf on the grounds. (Hurley’s golf course?!) There are separate buildings for specific treatments or patient types (children, adult, etc) but there is plenty of grounds and common areas for the patients to interact.

So the “island” could be symbolic of a “campus style” mental institution. And a wide range of activities/problems/disorders/research can be done at such a campus could be a clue to what the Losties have encountered so far:

(From its web site:) Since 1811, McLean Hospital, affiliated with Harvard University, has been a world leader in the treatment of mental illness and chemical dependency, research into the cause of mental illness and the training of generations of mental health care providers. McLean Hospital allows for comprehensive coordination of medical and psychiatric services. It maintains the largest program of research in neuroscience and psychiatry of any private psychiatric hospital in the United States. A large program of clinical trials for new psychopharmacological agents allows patients access to many experimental medications before they are generally available. Major clinical programs address a broad range of psychiatric illnesses, including: depression, bipolar and psychotic disorders; mood and anxiety disorders; alcohol and drug abuse; dissociative disorders; Alzheimer's disease and other geriatric illnesses; and child and adolescent psychiatric disorders. Each program offers access to a full continuum of care, including acute inpatient care, acute residential care, partial hospitalization, continuing residential care options and outpatient services. McLean's multidisciplinary team responds to each patient's situation with a commitment to individualized treatment that may include individual psychotherapy, group therapy, psychopharmacology and rehabilitation services.

#267. Posted by: cyberbarf at October 18, 2006 1:14 PM

Desmond did say the year When he told Locke that he crashed the plane

22 september 2004

#268. Posted by: Bob at October 18, 2006 2:28 PM

I've watched this episode twice, and I'm still thinking that Jae did not jump and committ suicide. My belief is that Mr. Paik had Jin followed and some other henchmen tossed Jae over the balcony...

But, I could be wrong...

#269. Posted by: Teddy Alvin at October 18, 2006 2:51 PM

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything about everything, but this whole topic of whether or not Jae jumped or was pushed is a little out there. There are not huge conspiricies behind every action on the show. Sometimes a suicide is just a suicide. When you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebras.

#270. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 18, 2006 3:44 PM

@Mr. Grimm.

I'm in the same camp. After thinking about it, I think Jae did simply commit suicide.

As an aside, this show can definitely make you over-think yourself. That's part of the fun of it, IMO. But, if the producers want you to believe any of these things are actually true facts, then they'll show them to you in a future episode.

So, I'm going to keep believing that Jae jumped and that's all there was to it until I'm shown otherwise.

#271. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 3:54 PM

five more hours to go, I wonder if we will see the main beach camp this episode

they can't leave it forever.

#272. Posted by: maestr06 at October 18, 2006 3:57 PM

Can't wait 'til tonight. I think we'll finally see the beach again, and tonight we find out (sort of if the creators are true to form) what happened to Locke, Eko, and Desmond. I think we'll see that they survived, but we won't see how they survived until some later episode.

#273. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 18, 2006 4:01 PM

I've also heard that we'll see Hurley returning to the beach camp to inform the other Losties that Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were captured.

I'm anxious to hear his reasoning as to why they let him go free and if the other Losties will believe him. My guess is that Hurley will be questioned by the other Losties and will no longer be trusted, which will lead to Hurley almost reaching a point of self destruction (which I also think the Others had planned).

#274. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 4:05 PM

Will we see Michael, my first thought when Walt and him boarded the boat is that Walt would beg to pick up Vincent I was thinking it might be a possibility.

#275. Posted by: maestr06 at October 18, 2006 4:13 PM

Does Michael know that Shannon was killed? Hadn't Michael already gone to find Walt before Shannon was killed? I don't remember anyone telling Michael that Shannon was killed when he was back on the beach (after he returned to talk Jack and others into helping him find Walt). I remember Michael being with Vincent on the beach after he returned.

I just think it would be cool if they showed Michael and Walt in the boat and Walt told Michael that Shannon was dead (he saw her in a dream-like sequence before she was shot) so he had to go get Vincent. Thus proving that he was actually there when she was shot and that wasn't just a dream of Shannon's.

Another thing while I'm on this topic. Why was it that Walt always showed up around Shannon? Was it because he gave her Vincent? Walt saw Shannon in her tent and in the jungle before she was shot. Why no one else?

#276. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 4:21 PM

@Dudelost:

Michael was there when Shannon was shot. It was the episode called "Collision". That's the one where Michael, Jin, and Sawyer are taking the Tailees back to their camp.

#277. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 18, 2006 4:23 PM

Mr. Grimm. Thank you. I've Lost my mind! I was trying to remember that scene and I remember Sayid being with Shannon, but couldn't remember if Michael was there or not. I remember now.

I'd still like to know why Walt only "visited" Shannon while he was "captured".

I still don't think Michael will risk going back to the island. I think he put that boat in drive and won't look back. He's got what he wants (Walt, off the island). He'll probably tell Walt he'll buy him 10 dogs if they find rescue.

#278. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 4:30 PM

Enjoy the new episode everyone! 3 1/2 hours to go.

Can't wait for the recap, mac.

#279. Posted by: Dudelost at October 18, 2006 5:30 PM

@Evan
Like you,I think the baby is Jin's. Remember how Rose and Locke were miraculously "cured" of their illnesses on the island, so didn't want to be rescued? Maybe Jin's impotency was cured, also.

@ Veronica
Yes! I remember Benry saying that to Juliet: "You never bring/made me soup!" Good catch!

@ Mr.Grimm
I think you're on to something re: Benry's marked use of the year 2004.

@ Mac
Keep up the great recaps: kudos! Love your humor. Don't know what you do for a career, but you should be a writer!

#280. Posted by: noluvlost at October 18, 2006 6:36 PM

WOW- I can't wait for Mac to post last night's recap - I was blown away - much like Desmond's shorts. ;-)

#281. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 19, 2006 8:08 AM

Did anyone notice the numbers in this episode? Jae's hotel room is 1516. And in the beginning of the episode, the number 108 is shown on the metronome on top of the piano that Sun is playing.

#282. Posted by: isMacSingle?? at October 19, 2006 8:58 AM

@Mr. Grimm: Should we rename the island 'Katamari Damacy'?

#283. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at October 19, 2006 9:14 AM

@PiecesofArzt:

LOL - Not a bad idea - see if Nintendo will give us the rights.

#284. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at October 19, 2006 9:40 AM

this has nothing to do with this episode and it has probably been said bfore but doesnt the pregnancy test sun uses in season 2 have the brand name of Widmore Labs?

#285. Posted by: english guy at October 19, 2006 11:59 AM

Where is the recap Mac??!! I'm going through withdrawls... ;-)

#286. Posted by: sara at October 19, 2006 6:23 PM

3-2 - The Glass Ballerina

Sun lies, Sayid lies, while
Kate and "John" work in the sun
And the boat is lost.

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