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Key Points from "The Cost of Living"

Season 3, Episode 5
Episode Air Date: 11/01/06

Point 1







NOW we're talking!

For the last five episodes I've been a bit concerned about "Lost." The season opened with that tremendous DharmaWorld scene, but since then the show has fumbled through extended incarcerations, random Other hints, and (I still can't believe they did this) polar bear attacks. The story meandered ... or so I believed.

See, I thought the meandering was a writing error, but with this latest episode I realize the languid pace was actually table-setting for something far more intriguing. It appears that the "Lost" crew has been building a slow and steady foundation for a dramatic paradigm shift -- and that shift is almost upon us.

I'll discuss this shift in the closing section (thereby letting you completely ignore it if you so choose). In the meantime, let's recap this sucker!

"The Cost of Living" is one of those mildly literary titles writers love to use (especially since hindsight gives it double meaning), but a more fitting title for this episode would be: "Eko's Very Bad Day."

When last we encountered the big man, he had just been freed from the clutches of an evil Dharma polar bear and then dragged back to camp by Locke and Charlie. This episode picks up a couple days after the polar bear incident, but the extended recovery hasn't served Eko well. Jack's absence appears to have created a medical vacuum among the castaways, which is evidenced by the random torso bandage Eko sports throughout this episode (What's that thing protecting? His gut?)

In the episode's early moments, Eko lays unconscious in a beachside hut. Hurley, Charlie and the just-arrived Sayid are inside the hut, discussing Eko's condition and the day's itinerary (volleyball at noon, tea at four, karaoke at dusk, backwards-talking Walt sightings at 2 a.m.). Hurley, feeling expository, notes that Locke will be anxious to debrief Sayid on his recent Other encounter ("The Glass Ballerina"), so the trio scampers out of the hut and zips off to find Obi-Locke.

Within the hut, Eko's eyes roll beneath his lids as his subconscious mind retraces the tragic events leading to his brother Yemi's death. In a series first, we revisit scenes from a previous backstory (all of the memory flashes Eko experiences are from "The 23rd Psalm"): We watch as Eko forces his brother to make him a priest so he can safely fly drugs out of Nigeria; the plan then goes awry and Yemi is shot on the tarmac; Eko tosses Yemi into a Beechcraft airplane, but Eko's criminal comrade blocks Eko from also boarding the plane; the aircraft takes off and heavily-armed military men rush in around Eko; the soldiers mistake Eko for a real priest and thus, Eko's priestly life is born.

Initially I thought the recycling of old backstory footage was a bush league move, but it turns out these scenes lead directly into this episode's backstory. Speaking of which ...


This week's backstory is delicately entwined within the episode's island events, so we need to discuss it right up front. Here goes:

  • The first backstory moment travels back to Eko's childhood. We watch as Big-Boy Eko (he's a monstrous pre-teen) uses his Baby Huey strength to break into a pantry and steal food to feed his scrawny little brother, Yemi. Unfortunately, a nun catches Eko and Yemi in the act and she hauls them both off to the local church for confession. Once inside, Eko tells the nun he was only stealing to help Yemi, but the nun has no time for thieves. She instructs Eko to take a seat in the confessional. Eko rises and moves forward, but he stops a few feet from the confession curtain. Big-Boy Eko turns and for a moment we see the burgeoning bad ass bubbling within Eko's soul.
  • The backstory jumps forward to the immediate aftermath of Yemi's shooting (thereby justifying the inclusion of the recycled "23rd Psalm" footage). The soldiers who mistook Eko for a priest give Eko a ride back to Yemi's church (it appears to be the same church from Eko's childhood). Eko, disheveled and shocked by the loss of his brother, stumbles inside and finds Yemi's Bible. Tucked inside is a black and white photo showing Eko and Yemi as young boys. As Eko looks at the photo, a woman and her son enter the church and ask to see Yemi. Eko somberly looks at the woman and tells her Yemi was called away to an emergency. In the interim, Eko will be taking his place.

    Accepting Eko's big fat lie, the woman introduces herself: she's named Amina and she works at the town clinic. Her son, Daniel, is an altar boy in Yemi's church. She tells Eko that Yemi was scheduled to go to London at the end of the week to continue his religious training. Without missing a beat, Eko decides that he, too, will go to London. While he's at it, he'll also move into Yemi's swank priest pad, date his hot priest girlfriend and drive his fly priest car.

    Sidenote: I'm not entirely sure, but I think Amina is the same woman who appeared when the Smoke Monster "read" Eko in "23rd Psalm." Now that's planning ahead.

  • Sometime later, a local warlord storms into town with heavily-armed henchman in tow. The warlord has a deal with the townspeople: he takes 80% of their vaccine and in return they receive his "protection." Eko isn't impressed with the deal or the warlord and he most definitely does not genuflect before a guy who couldn't hold his criminal jockstrap. Eko snubs the warlord, but the warlord proves to be a deft negotiator. Without hesitation, he pulls a pistol from his belt and shoots a nearby woman in the chest. Eko spins in surprise, but his face is still and his eyes are dead: he's clearly dealt with this type of man before. Feeling he's made his point, the warlord departs to go do warlord things. Eko returns to the church to plot the warlord's inevitable downfall. Amina wonders who's going to clean up that dead chick.
  • Eko uses his detective skills (and his intimidating girth) to gather intel on this "vaccination deal." He learns that the vaccinations come into town every six months, but the current shipment is delayed. Initially, we're led to believe that he's assembling all this information so he can devise an intricate trap for the vaccine-hungry warlord. Ahh, but we've been misled!
  • Eko changes into his drug-runner civvies and makes a clandestine trip to see a local "businessman." Eko, using his insider info on the vaccines, makes a deal to sell the medicine before the warlord can get his hands on the goods. If all goes to plan, Eko will offload the merchandise and then make a clean getaway to London.
  • But the warlord catches wind of Eko's plan and he and his henchmen visit Eko at Yemi's church to dispense a little frontier justice. Striding into the church, the warlord plants himself in front of Eko. "You don't know who I am," he says, trying to act all warlord-like. Citing superstition (and a continued belief that Eko is an actual priest), the warlord decides to spare Eko's life, but take his hands.

    The henchmen strap Eko's hands down to the church altar, but just as the warlord is set to unload a mighty chop of his machete, Eko swings his arms and begins an epic beatdown of his opponents. He chops! He punches! He kicks! Overcome by the power of the Lord, he gains the strength of a thousand Ekos! And at the last moment, he seizes control of the machete and raises it high over his head! Below, the warlord pleads for his life. Eko sneers. "You don't know who I am," he growls as the machete arcs through the air and SLAMS into the warlord.

    Seconds later, Eko emerges through the front door of the church. Covered in blood and clutching both a machete and a pistol, he looks like armageddon incarnate. The townspeople take notice; a blood-covered priest armed to the gills tends to be a novel sight.

  • In the wake of the church massacre, Eko follows through on his plan to ditch the town and take up residence in London. As he prepares to leave, he runs into Daniel the altar boy.

    "Are you a bad man?" Daniel asks.

    Eko pauses and considers the question.

    "Only God knows," Eko says quietly.

    (This exchange will factor into later events ... keep it handy).

    Outside the church, Eko sees that the vaccination shipment has arrived, but the new medicine has not inspired a celebration in the town. Amina tells Eko that the elimination of the warlord will simply inspire another warlord to take his place. Worse still, Eko's actions have rendered Yemi's church useless.

    "It is no longer sacred," Amina says. "And one day you will be judged for what you did."

    Eko slowly turns and prepares to leave, but Amina isn't done.

    "You owe him [Yemi] one church," she says, referring to the little known "Church for a Church" doctrine.

    And with that, the backstory ends.

Returning to island events ...

Inside the beachside hut, Eko wakes to see his dead brother Yemi standing in the corner. Yemi flips a lighter and kneels beside Eko. He has a dire warning for his big brother: the time for Eko's judgement has come and Eko must visit the island's Sacred Yemi Place to receive said judgement. Eko's eyes are wide (seeing your dead priest brother is always disconcerting), but things are about to get much worse.

Yemi snaps the lighter shut, but in the background we hear the sound of flames crackling. Uh oh ...

Outside, Hurley, Charlie and Sayid see that Eko's hut is engulfed in flames. They rush in and haul Eko out. Charlie and Hurley place him under a nearby tree and move to help douse the fire, but before they leave, Eko snares Charlie's wrist and mumbles "my brother ... my brother." Charlie, chalking it up to a hallucination, disentangles himself from Eko and he and Hurley return to the now-charred hut.

The fire attracts Locke's attention and, being the de facto camp leader/fire captain, he rushes in to oversee matters. He asks Charlie about Eko and Charlie turns and points down the beach to Eko's resting place. But there's a problem ... Eko is gone!

The next morning, Locke caucuses with Desmond and Sayid on the beach. Locke's agenda includes two action items:

  1. Find Eko (again).
  2. Find a way to communicate with the Others as a means of rescuing Jack, Sawyer and Kate.

Let's pause a moment to discuss Action Item #2. Desmond tells Locke that the hatch computer (God rest its motherboard) could be used to communicate with other Dharma stations. Locke, flimsily concluding that communication is the key to rescue, decides to travel to the Pearl station to fire up the Pearl's Commodore 64 and reach out to the Others.

Now, I'm a fan of Locke and I'm happier than anyone to see him return to his Obi-Locke ways, but I don't get this plan at all. Why would Locke think that reaching out to the Others would make a difference? He doesn't have any leverage. He doesn't have anything to trade (unless you count Dharma Ranch Dressing as a valuable commodity), so what's the point of holding a computer-based pow-wow with the Other adversaries? Am I missing something?

Anyway ... as Locke, Desmond and Sayid talk, Hurley and Charlie stroll up to report that Eko is nowhere to be seen. Locke asks Charlie if Eko said anything before he disappeared.

"He just kept mumblin' ... 'my brother' ... 'my brother'," Charlie says.

Locke jumps to his feet. He knows where Eko is going!

Longtime viewers might want to skip this next bit ...

If you're wondering how Locke could possibly know where Eko is headed, the answer lies in the season two episode "?." That episode's primary storyline followed Eko and Locke as they searched for a mysterious island location. Each experienced dreams that helped them unravel the mystery. The interesting thing is that Yemi appeared in both men's dreams, which was unique for Locke since he never met Yemi. Moreover, Locke's Yemi dream came moments before he and Eko discovered the entrance to the Pearl hatch, which was hidden beneath the wreckage of the Beechcraft airplane (the same plane Yemi died in). So, when Charlie tells Locke that Eko was mumbling "my brother, my brother," Locke correctly assumes that Eko is traveling to the Beechcraft/Pearl hatch location. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Moving on ...

In a marked shift from previous Island Administrations, Locke goes out of his way to invite other castaways on his Pearl Hatch journey. Hurley is stunned by the invitation: Jack never would have sent out eVites. "I'm not Jack," Locke says with a twinkle in his eye.

Ultimately, Locke's invitation attracts Sayid, Desmond, and Nikki/Paulo (I will refer to them as one character until they earn a proper separation). As the group prepares to head out, Desmond quietly sidles up to Locke and asks for a little clarification: are they going after Eko or are they going off to "poke at a computer"? Locke tells Desmond that Eko is heading for the same place they are, and Desmond notes that this is quite a coincidence.

Locke stands and slings his bag over his shoulder ... he's been waiting a long time for this next line.

"Don't mistake coincidence for fate," he says. OBI-LOCKE HAS ENTERED THE BUILDING.

We'll return to Locke and his merry band of searchers in a moment. For now, we need to catch up with Eko ...

Following his Houdini act on the beach, Eko scampered into the heavy foliage to begin the long, arduous journey to the Beechcraft/Pearl location. The trip is tough under the best of circumstances, but you'll recall that Eko is very, very far from 100 percent. His chest and legs are marked with deep polar bear gashes and he's running on fumes. Nonetheless, her perseveres (but he's going to wish he hadn't).

Eko's trek through the jungle is marked by two things:

  • The smoke monster is trailing Eko. At first, the monster keeps its distance, darting through trees and remaining out of Eko's direct view (it does, however, make that weird chick-chick-chick noise, which, to me, bears a striking resemblance to an accountant's calculator). We'll discuss Ol' Smokey in-depth later.

  • Eko experiences a hallucination in which he sees the bloodied bodies of the backstory warlord (the guy who wanted the vaccinations) and the warlord's henchmen. It's not a pleasant reunion. The warlord -- who appears out of absolutely nowhere -- chucks a machete at Eko and misses him by a hair. Eko digs the machete out of a nearby tree and prepares to kill the warlord (again), but as he raises the weapon above his head, the warlord suddenly morphs into Daniel the altar boy. Daniel raises his finger to his lips. "Shh," he says. "Confess."

    Eko drops the machete, but it never hits the ground! He blinks and both the machete and Daniel vanish. Eko spins and sees he's all alone. In the distance, we hear the monster's calculator noise.

Despite hallucinations and smoke monsters, Eko continues his journey. He eventually stops at a stream and, as he slurps water, he notices a smokey apparition taking shape in the reflection. Eko spins and the smoke monster pulls back and puffs up to an enormous size (it has to be at least 20 feet high and 10 feet wide). Eko takes a step forward and the monster pulls back and puffs away.

At that exact moment, Locke and his cronies suddenly appear on the other side of the stream! Locke is shocked -- he didn't expect it would be that easy to find Eko.

Sidenote: It initially seems that the smoke monster darts away like a big wussie when Eko spins and confronts it, but if you listen carefully, you can hear the oncoming footsteps of Locke and the rescue crew. The monster actually retreats when the rescuers draw near. I'm not sure what this means, but I thought it was noteworthy.

Since Eko and Locke are headed to the same place, Eko joins up with Locke's expedition and the group travel to the Pearl station. You'd think it would be smooth sailing from this point on, but Eko's fragile mental state leads to an ugly incident along the way. Locke, looking to confirm his conclusion about Eko's journey, asks Eko about his brother. "Is that what you're doing out here? Looking for Yemi?" Locke asks.

Eko explodes. He shoves Locke against a nearby tree and places a long blade against Locke's throat. "Do not speak my brother's name again," Eko growls.

But Eko doesn't realize who he's dealing with! This isn't John Locke, Regional Box Manager! This is OBI-LOCKE, Master of his Domain, Leader of the Castaways, Chief Shaman and Supreme Executive Island Sage!

Locke doesn't blink. "What are you so afraid of, Eko?" Locke asks calmly.

Eko backs down. He sees he's in the presence of a baaaaaad man!

With the Alpha Male hierarchy sorted out, the group continues their journey to the Pearl hatch. Upon arriving, Locke instructs Sayid to take Desmond and Nikki/Paulo down into the Pearl. Sayid complies, and as the group scampers away, Locke helps Eko shift rocks away from the Beechcraft wreckage.

"What, exactly, did you see back there?" Locke asks, referring to the moment when Locke and the group happened upon Eko by the stream.

Eko doesn't answer, but Locke is feeling chatty so he tells Eko that he, too, once saw "it." (Locke's monster encounter happened way back in the season one episode "Walkabout").

"What did you see?" Eko asks.

"I saw a very bright light," Locke says. "It was beautiful."

Eko looks up.

"That is not what I saw," Eko says, ending the conversation.

With the rocks out of the way, Eko peers into the burned-out wreckage of the Beechcraft and, to his surprise, discovers that Yemi's remains have vanished. Eko is confused -- could Yemi be alive? -- but Locke notes that Eko did burn the plane and, even if Yemi's remains weren't vaporized by fire, perhaps his remnants were hauled off by animals (like, say, a polar bear).

Locke tries to change the subject. He invites Eko down into the Pearl station, but Eko declines. Locke turns to leave but suddenly remembers something; he reaches into his pocket and hands Eko the cross he found when he was tracking the polar bear in "Further Instructions." Eko silently clutches the cross. Locke darts into the Pearl station.

I'll deal with the events within the Pearl station in Point 2. For now, we need to keep the focus on Eko because something very, very bad is about to happen.

With Locke and the other Pearl investigators down in the hatch, Eko sits alone on a fallen tree, staring at the cross Locke gave him moments before. Suddenly, Yemi appears nearby. Eko is stunned; his brother appears to have pulled a Lazarus. But before Eko can inquire about Yemi's rebirth, Yemi retreats into the brush. Eko rushes after him. He darts into a nearby field lined with manicured flower bushes (the bushes appear to be equidistant, which suggests they've been planted and maintained by humans). Eko's frustration wells. He calls out to the unseen Yemi.

"You say you want to hear my confession! Why? Why now? Where are you?!" Eko shouts.

Yemi appears amidst the flower bushes.

"Are you ready, Eko?" Yemi asks.

"Yes," Eko says as he extends the cross toward Yemi.

And this is when Eko throws a curveball.

"I ask for no forgiveness, father, for I have not sinned," Eko says. "I have only done what I needed to do to survive. A small boy once asked me if I was a bad man. If I could answer him now, I would tell him that when I was a young boy I killed a man to save my brother's life. I am not sorry for this. I am proud of this."

Yemi's eyes grow cold. Anger pulses through his jaw.

Eko drops to his knees.

"I did not ask for the life I was given," Eko says, "but it was given nonetheless. And with it, I did my best."

What Eko doesn't realize is that Yemi can also throw a nasty curveball.

"You speak to me as if I am your brother," Yemi says, his eyes chewing into Eko's soul. Yemi turns and walks off.

Eko leaps to his feet. "Who are you?!" he roars.

Eko rushes into the woods and stands amidst the trunks of massive trees. In the distance, the smoke monster darts through the brush and the calculator noise grows louder. Eko turns ... and what he sees is not good.

Smokey rises and grows, achieving an enormous size. Eko begins to recite the 23rd Psalm. "The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want ..."

That's as far as he gets. Smokey lashes out and grabs Eko around the waist! Eko is lifted high into the air! Smokey's huge arm slams Eko against a tree, then slams him against another tree! Eko grunts in pain.

Smokey arcs high, high, high into the trees. The arm curls and, with tremendous force, drops Eko toward the ground. DOWN HE GOES! Smokey lets out its battle cry (that weird horn noise -- aaaaaOOOOOOOOOOOOO!)! Eko plummets!

WHAAAAAM! The earth shakes as Smokey drives Eko into the soil.

Inside the Pearl hatch, the other castaways hear the monster's horn-roar. They scamper up a ladder and rush toward Eko, but when they arrive the monster is gone. All that's left is Eko, lying motionless in a crater.

Locke turns Eko over and Eko gasps for air. Locke can see that Eko's time is short -- his chest is a giant hematoma. Locke leans in near Eko as Eko tries to speak. Eko's words are inaudible to us, but Locke is able to understand. His face drops as Eko's message gets through.

Locke pulls back and looks down at Eko. Pain washes away from Eko's face.

Mr. Eko is dead.

Locke closes Eko's eyes as Sayid, Desmond, and Nikki/Paulo look on.

"What did he say, John?" Sayid asks.

Locke looks up.

"He said ... we're next."


Point 2





The events inside the Pearl hatch warrant their own Key Point.

After discussing their shared "monster" experiences, Locke leaves Eko and joins Sayid, Desmond and Nikki/Paulo in the Pearl. Inside, Nikki lounges in one of the observation chairs and watches the Pearl Orientation video. Sayid, Desmond and Locke turn their attention to the Pearl's computer. Paulo makes himself useful by testing out the Pearl's toilet.

Sayid determines that the Pearl's equipment is a closed system, which means there's no way to use the Pearl's hardware to contact the Others. But, just as the group wonders why they've wasted their time, Nikki finally does something noteworthy. The Pearl Orientation video -- a video we all watched, at length, in "?" -- explains that the Pearl station is used to monitor Dharma projects (plural) and, since there are six televisions in the Pearl, Nikki concludes that the TVs are used monitor each of the six stations.

"Well, I'm suddenly feeling very stupid," Locke says with a grin.

Sayid, armed with Nikki's analysis, turns his attention to patching in feeds from other hatches. Donning his Comcast hat, Sayid fiddles with coax connections.

One of the screens blinks to life. The group gathers around the TV and stares at the image. Through the static, they can see a computer sitting on a table. The wall behind the computer is lined with Dharma equipment: old mainframes and a reel-to-reel machine. It's another hatch!

Suddenly, a man's face appears on the screen! The man is positioned inches from the camera, so we clearly see that he's wearing an eye patch (Steve Johnson, is that you?). He's also wearing a Dharma jumpsuit. The man stares at the camera for a few seconds then places his palm over the lens. The camera dies. Static fills the screen.

"I guess he'll be expecting us," Locke quips.

That's the extent of what we see in the Pearl station, but this scene yields a boatload of questions:

  • Where is this new hatch located?
  • How are Locke and the others going to find the hatch? Remember, the island map was destroyed when Desmond imploded the original hatch.
  • Who is Patch Guy? Is he another Dharma drone who's been duped into button pushing, or, is he a Dharma leader who's anxious to share answers to all our questions? (I can wish ...)
  • Is the Dharma Initiative still active?
  • How quickly can Paulo be killed? To date, his most significant accomplishment is dropping a deuce in the Pearl toilet.
Point 3


Jack's resurgence continues this week. You'll recall that in "Every Man for Himself" Jack finally stopped whining and yelling and acting like a colossal ass. His attitude took a noticeable turn for the better when he spotted those spinal x-rays in the hatch medical center.

In addition to making Jack likable again, the x-rays have also spurred a week of heavy conjecture: Who's spine is in the picture? Who is the 40-year-old man with the tumor?

In a dramatic shift, the "Lost" crew offers definitive answers to those questions within the first 10 minutes of this episode. As many guessed, the spine and tumor belong to Ben.

The spine revelation is made in an opening scene in which Ben enters Jack's aquarium cell and invites him out for a walk (Ben just loves taking prisoners on walks). Ben is dressed in a white linen shirt that was plucked from the "Kung Fu" set. Being a gracious guy, he's brought a Kung Fu shirt for Jack, too.

But Jack isn't in the mood for sartorial shifts.

"Does it hurt?" Jack asks.

Ben turns, confused by Jack's random question. Jack has him right where he wants him.

"Does it hurt -- your neck?" Jack continues, assuming his "doctor" tone. "Any numbness in your fingers and toes, like pins and needles when your foot falls asleep -- but permanent?"

Ben's brow furrows. He asks Jack why he's asking these questions.

Jack pounces.

"Because, Ben, you have a tumor on your spine, an aggressive tumor, that's going to kill you," Jack says with thinly veiled glee. "I don't know when those x-rays were taken that I saw, but unless they were very recent, you're not gonna be taking walks much longer."

Ben pauses, then guffaws. He claims to have no idea what Jack is talking about.

Jack slides into his Kung Fu shirt and stands upright.

"Okay, my mistake," Jack says. "I'm ready whenever you are."

Point, Jack!

With the spinal consultation out of the way, Jack accompanies Ben to the beach. Night has fallen and the Others are gathering for Colleen's funeral service (hence the weird linen shirts). Jack is instructed to stand back from the rest of the group. Ben walks toward the beach and stands in with his Other comrades. Colleen's body has been placed on a wooden raft lined with flowers. As Jack watches from afar, Juliet appears and pauses next to her future love interest (these two are so hot for each other it's absurd). The pair exchange a few pleasantries and then Juliet abruptly walks away because she doesn't want her Other friends to catch wind of her secret love. Moments later, the Others float Colleen out on the ocean and set the raft on fire, Viking style.

And this is when we get confirmation that Ben is the proud owner of a spinal tumor. With Colleen cooking in the background, Ben quietly asks Juliet why she showed Jack his x-rays.

"I didn't tell him they were yours," Juliet says. "But I guess you did."

If that's not confirmation, I don't know what is.

Later in the episode, Jack and Juliet take their flirting to a whole new level. Juliet comes into Jack's aquarium cell carrying a tray of food. I can't be sure, but she seems to be wearing make-up ("Ohhhh, here she comes! Watch out boy she'll chew you up!"). She uncovers the food and reveals ... a big juicy cheeseburger and a plate of fries.

Jack's impressed and Juliet is very, very happy that he's impressed. "You have no idea what I went through to make this for you," Juliet says, hopping up on the table in the middle of the aquarium cell. "I killed the cow, processed the meat, baked the bun. And the fries ... try rendering the animal fat."

Jack smirks. "No ketchup?"

Juliet smiles. They're about two seconds from going at it.

Alas, the romantic interlude is cut short by Ben's appearance in the doorway. He asks Juliet to leave so he can have a "doctor-patient" meeting with Jack. Juliet is clearly pissed. She had big plans for dessert.

If you'll indulge me a moment of psycho-analysis ...

For the last few episodes there have been hints that Ben's calm exterior hides a raging temper. He's shown flashes of violence and he does not stand for insubordination. But, in this next bit, we're about to find out that his temper is actually mixed with a dash of insanity.

With Juliet out of the room, Ben takes this opportunity to let Jack in on his evil little plan. He tells Jack that the Others had whipped up an intricate scheme to wear him down to the point where he actually sided with the Others.

Jack responds by biting the cheeseburger.

The key, Ben says, was to get Jack "invested."

Jack stops chewing. "Invested in what?" he asks.


"Has it not occurred to you that Juliet bears a striking resemblance to your ex-wife?" Ben asks.

Jack's jaw drops. He looks away, then turns and asks the obvious question.

"Why are you telling me this?" Jack asks.

And this is when Ben coughs up the goods. "I'm telling you this because my wonderful plan got shot to sunshine when you saw my damned x-rays and figured out I was dying," Ben admits.

Anger wells in Jack, and this time, he's got a point. "You want me to save your life," Jack says through clenched teeth.


"No," Ben snaps. "I want you to want to save my life," he says. "But we're beyond that now. So, all I can ask is that you think about it."

Ben turns to leave, but before he does he stops and delivers one of this patented Henry Gale Random Questions. He asks Jack if he believes in God. Jack fires back by asking Ben if he believes in God, and, given Ben's quick response, he appears to have thought this question through in advance. He tells Jack that two days after he was diagnosed with the tumor, a "spinal surgeon fell out of the sky."

"If that's not proof of God, I don't know what is," Ben says.

With that, Ben leaves.

Sidenote: On the surface this exchange between Jack and Ben might not seem all that insane, but let's look a little deeper, shall we? As we know, Jack is a doctor who has a borderline-psychotic need to "fix" people. Ben, oddly enough, is someone in desperate need of repair. Yet, instead of striding into the castaways' camp and calmly introducing himself, Ben concocts an elaborate scheme to make Jack want to fix him. For the love of God, why didn't Ben just ASK?! Ben's wacky plan sounds like something Doctor Evil would whip up. It makes NO sense. To paraphrase Ben: "If that's not proof of insanity, I don't know what is."

And now we come to this episode's juiciest scene ...

At the very end of the episode, Jack and Juliet have a scene that, if it can be believed, dramatically alters the course of the series.

Juliet enters the room adjacent to the aquarium cell and tells Jack she's brought in a movie for him to watch (she claims it's "To Kill a Mockingbird"). Jack throws a fit and says he doesn't want to watch a movie, but Juliet is adamant.

"You NEED ... TO WATCH ... THIS MOVIE," she says while winking.

She flips on the TV. Jack looks down and immediately sees that Juliet's version of "To Kill a Mockingbird" is much different than the Oscar-winning classic.

The TV screen shows Juliet standing in her home, holding large sheets of posterboard. A message is written on the first sheet.

"Ignore everything I'm saying," reads the first posterboard.

Jack looks up at Juliet. She proceeds to tell Jack that she's sorry for what they've done to him and his friends.

"Ben," Juliet says. "He's a great man."

Jack looks back at the screen. The second card reads: "Ben is a liar."

On the screen, Juliet flips to the third card. "And he is very dangerous," it reads.

Jack looks back at Juliet. "You probably feel like you don't have a choice," Juliet says, choosing her words carefully. "But you do, Jack. Free will is all we've really got."

Jack looks at the screen.

"Some of us want a change," the card reads. On the video, Juliet flips to the next sheet: "But it has to look like an accident."


Jack looks knowingly at Juliet. "Anyway," she says, "I just wanted to put in my two cents."

Jack shifts his gaze to the screen. The next card reads: "It has to look like we tried to save him."

The card flips.

"And that's up to you, Jack."

Jack looks up. "I told you before you can trust me," Juliet says. "I want you to trust me now that doing the surgery is absolutely the right thing for you to do."

Jack looks down at the next card on the screen. "It's a complicated surgery. No one would ever know," it reads.

The card flips. "And I would protect you."

Jack looks up. Juliet stares at him. He looks back down. On the screen, Juliet is holding another card: "Now tell me to turn off the movie," it reads.

Jack squints. He sees small type at the bottom of the final piece of posterboard: "Will you go out with me? Yes. No. Maybe" (Sorry. Couldn't resist).

Jack looks up.

"Turn the movie off," he says.

Juliet flips off the screen and grabs the tape. She walks toward the door, but pauses in the far corner (she seems to be taking a position that's out of view of the cameras). Jack looks at her.

"Think about what I said," Juliet says. "Please."

Jack immediately nods his head.

And then it ends. Oh my God, it ends.

Point 4
Island As usual, I'll close with a few thoughts and questions:
  • At the beginning of the review I claimed that a series paradigm shift was beginning to take shape. This shift begins and ends with Jack and Juliet. For more than two seasons, the Oceanic castaways have been largely powerless to control their fates, but if Juliet is being honest about her desire to kill off Ben, then we may be in the early stages of a dramatic, and welcome, change in tone. It's high-time for the castaways to score a victory.
  • We saw a whole lot of the smoke monster in this episode, but I still have no clue what that thing is, nor do I understand what it's doing. It seems to have the ability to shape-shift into human form (hence the dramatic resurrection of "Yemi"). It also appears to be able to gather information from people's minds and then use this information against them (remember, the monster "read" Eko in "The 23rd Psalm"). But is the monster working on its own or is someone controlling it? And what do we make of Eko's final words -- "You're next"? Does the monster fancy itself an Angel of Death?
  • Eko's demise should give Bernard pause, not just because Eko is a fellow castaway, but because Bernard is now the only active Tailie. Ana and Libby were gunned down by Michael, Eko's internal organs were crushed by Smokey, and Cindy "disappeared" under suspicous circumstances. Watch your back, Bernie.
  • I finally understand why Nikki/Paulo were added to the cast. It's not to give the show fresh blood, rather, it's to help new viewers understand what's going on. For example, when Locke, Eko, Sayid, Desmond and Nikki/Paulo arrive at the Pearl hatch, Paulo asks Nikki "What's Eko looking for?" And Nikki, who apparently watched the second season, tells him that the body of Eko's brother is inside the wreckage of the Beechcraft.

    Uh, how would she know this? Why would she know this?

    I know why: because Nikki and Paulo are, to this point at least, nothing more than writing devices. The writers are using them to fill in the gaps for folks who haven't been watching. Personally, I find it annoying, and I imagine other die-hard fans feel the same way, but characters like this are a necessary evil if "Lost" is to remain on the air. Just be warned: heavy exposition is on the way (that's why God invented TiVo's 30-second skip).

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"I Do" -- Jack is presented with an offer that's hard to refuse and Locke discovers a hidden message with big implications. In backstory world, Kate forges a union with a man who loves brown coats. Airs: Wednesday, November 8, 9 p.m., ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on November 2, 2006 1:35 PM |


#1. Posted by: john at November 2, 2006 1:38 PM

Am I the first this week?

#2. Posted by: ydnewc1 at November 2, 2006 1:38 PM

Ok, what's up with the smoke! Could it be Vincent? Is it able to take a form, or does it just play with people's mind?

#3. Posted by: Dudelost at November 2, 2006 1:39 PM

Woohoo! Mac, you're early! Nice.

#4. Posted by: Amy at November 2, 2006 1:39 PM

There are two reasons that I'm upset that they killed Eko.

1) I really liked his character. I still think that could have had him around a much longer and shared more background on him. For example, why was he is Australia? Why was a flying to LA? etc.

2) Since Bernard is the last known survivor from the tail-end of the plane, this pretty much confirms that half of the last 30 episodes have been filler. What I mean is, Season 2 introduced the tail end survivors and all of them have been killed (note: the flight attendant and the kids may still be alive). Anyway, what was the point of having them? Just milking the story? Probably.

Anyway, I complain, but still love the show. See you next week Lost.


#5. Posted by: Marty at November 2, 2006 1:41 PM

It's tough to post first here. I miss Eko already. He is B.A.

#6. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 2, 2006 1:44 PM


What? Is this turning into a see who can post first blog? What does it matter?

I heard somewhere where Elizabeth Mitchell's mother-in-law is Ann Margaret. Can anyone say if that is true?

When my time comes, I hope I can go "peacefully" like Eko did.

@ GatorGal - I can still hear your echo, "Eko is passing to the great beyond this week."

Hmmm, maybe Benry is just a big bluff and his name is really Cliff.

#7. Posted by: ButchM at November 2, 2006 1:46 PM

@ Batteries Icluded


#8. Posted by: ButchM at November 2, 2006 1:53 PM

All those Day Break commercials are really driving me nuts. It seems basically like Groundhog Day, in TV series form. They should just advertise it as that, and not act like they’re fooling anyone.

Also, I definitely think Ben is lying to Jack in their second interaction. Ben has already said he was lying to Jack when they had him prisoner in the hatch, but justified it by saying it was to save his own life. There’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t lie again, if his life was at stake, which it is with the tumor.

#9. Posted by: wolf at November 2, 2006 1:56 PM


> How quickly can Paulo be killed?
> To date, his most significant
> accomplishment is dropping a
> deuce in the Pearl toilet.

That may be your best line of all time. I actually had to stop reading and compose myself before moving on.

Great job once again.


#10. Posted by: Marty at November 2, 2006 1:56 PM

Great work as usual, thanks!

#11. Posted by: Chris Meisenzahl at November 2, 2006 1:57 PM

"Well, I'm suddenly feeling very stupid," Locke says with a grin.....

Worst acting EVERRRR! And where did these 2 idiot extra actors come from and why didn't they get any acting lessons?!?!? Now they are making Locke look like an idiot, and did he completely forget everything from season 2 ??!?!

#12. Posted by: Lost is starting to really suck! at November 2, 2006 1:58 PM

Mac you have the best reviews on the net by far.

Did I see the previews for next week correctly? Is it the season finale already?

Eko was the man. If I was a cast member of Lost I would never drink again. Dang you you get busted for DUI you mine as well pack your bags.

I had the same point as Marty, everyone in the tail section is gone except for Bernard.

#13. Posted by: D Ral at November 2, 2006 2:00 PM

Did we forget about Bernards wife??

#14. Posted by: all knowing at November 2, 2006 2:01 PM

I was annoyed with the excessive advertising that "one of the survivors will die" over the past week; when the episode began with Eko's back story, I knew he would be the one to bite the dust, so most of the episode I just spent waiting for it to happen. At least it made sense why he was building a church (Amina's comment "You owe your brother a church").
Glad to see the old Locke back, although I also don't get his reasoning behind wanting to communicate with the Others to get their lostmates back. And the video scene with Juliet and Jack was fantastic--sets a whole new direction for the show. Can't wait till next week! Thanks Mac, for a great review as usual.

#15. Posted by: Kathy at November 2, 2006 2:02 PM

"Yet, instead of striding into the castaways' camp and calmly introducing himself, Ben concocts an elaborate scheme to make Jack want to fix him. For the love of God, why didn't Ben just ASK?!"

What makes you think that Ben wasnt on his way to the losties to ask exactly this when Rousseau captured him?

#16. Posted by: jraw at November 2, 2006 2:04 PM

A terrific analysis of this episode yet again Mac! Thanks. This episode was one of the more frustrating this season. Was Eko repentant when building the church for his brother or not. Why go down that path just to turn him unrepentant at the last moment? The civil war among the Others is a pretty interesting angle, and they have me wanting much more information about it. I still am leaning towards it all being a part of the game they are playing with Jack's head. After all, Ben is a liar. Why not all of them?

#17. Posted by: LostExposed CluesBlog at November 2, 2006 2:05 PM

Wait, I should end it now.....before we see 30,000,000 posts saying "bernards wife was in the front"
ok? ok.
Lets not have another escalator issue

#18. Posted by: All Knowing at November 2, 2006 2:05 PM

Everybody keeps saying that Bernard is the "last Tailie" still alive - if you think about it, he's not really a Tailie - he just happened to be in the bathroom when the plane fell apart. Yes, he landed with the back of the plane, but he wasn't "supposed" to be there.

#19. Posted by: sthnbelle at November 2, 2006 2:08 PM

I think we ought to be a little more cautious about pronouncing anything as a "whole new direction" for the show like people are saying about this Jack/Juliet thing. I'm still very bitter about the utter letdown that the "Let's train an army" thing turned out to be. That was supposed to be a series changing event too, and it was just a big waste of time.

#20. Posted by: jraw at November 2, 2006 2:08 PM

I said it last week, and I'll say it again, I do NOT trust Juliet. I think she is the one who is lying, not Ben. I'm still inclined to believe Sawyer's assessment of her character when he told Kate she (Juliet) would have shot her (Kate) no problem. I think she wants Ben out of the way for whatever reason and is using her feminine wiles on Jack to do it.

#21. Posted by: Amy at November 2, 2006 2:08 PM

Eko wanted off the show. He had a deal with the writers to get off. He wanted to move back to London and direct a movie. So you can't really blame the writers for his death. But he was a BA. Great episode too.
Not sure if I trust Juliet either. This could be another test by Ben. But then again, Juliet and Ben seem not to get along.

#22. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at November 2, 2006 2:09 PM

Two quick comments: did anybody besides me turn their volume up REAL high when Eko uttered his dying words? I couldn't make them out, but he most certainly did NOT say "You're next." Now, whether that was a production gaffe or Locke purposely misleading his friends is anybody's guess. Anybody have a better sound system than me?

Also, I don't think Paulo & Nikki are simply writing devices. Rodrigo Santoro (who plays Paulo) is a HUGE star in Brazil, and the LOST producers certainly could have found a cheaper writing device if that was the only intent.

#23. Posted by: KG at November 2, 2006 2:10 PM

Eko dies - Bummer!!!!!

I liked the character.

#24. Posted by: Brothaslide at November 2, 2006 2:11 PM

It’s a little early for voting already, so I’ll move out of "parliament mode".
(HOWEVER, it is the last day for early voting in most states - so get out there and do your civic duty friends!)

On to LOST:

Mac covered it all. But I admit, that altho he is excited about the forthcoming episode, I am still a bit disappointed in the first five adventures so far this season - obviously, next week is going to have to be the MOTHER OF ALL BLOW OUTS if it’s supposed to bring this six-part mini-series to a satisfying close!

I must admit - I love the mystery piled upon mystery, scheme upon scheme, and conjecture upon conjecture that these opening 5 hours have given us! And in spite of the two month hiatus coming up - I’ll be there faithfully glued in front of the tube when the second season begins.

In an earlier blog - on another station early this morning - someone ventured the premise that - What if Juliette is the real BAD OTHER, and Ben, despite his obvious personality flaws is really THE GOOD OTHER?

Remember, Sawyer once said to Kate . . . “That one would kill you in a second.”
Referring to Juliette at the stone clearing site.

Talk about sorted intrigue!

What do you folks think about that tact?

#25. Posted by: davidrh at November 2, 2006 2:12 PM

Could this eye patch man be in The Flame? I'm sure I heard mumblings about The Flame.

#26. Posted by: Chris at November 2, 2006 2:15 PM

I suggest calling them Paulikki for now. And I agree they are prety useless.

#27. Posted by: Melissa at November 2, 2006 2:15 PM

Great review, Mac, and some good points.

Here's my comments:

1) Nikki/Paulo ... I hate that they're "gorgeous", too. Attractive people on TV rarely have anything going on upstairs, ya know? I hope the writers give them some "bite". Paulo in the toilet ... oy.

2) Juliette's Bob Dylan/Sign video ... wow, that was classic LOST. Perfect. I must admit it confused me, though. So many games within games this season. Are they messing with Jack's mind?? Is Juliette a "good guy" or an "bad guy"????

3) Ben ... I have to admit I actually felt sorry for him during the Ben/Jack scene. Sorry, I did. But then, as a child, I always felt sorry for the Disney villains, too. They're just good people doing bad things! LOL.

4) Ecko ... like I said in my post during the last episode, Ecko was a great character, but ultimately a story device. He was the "faith" for the show during Season Two when Locke lost his faith. Now that Locke believes in the serendipity of the island again, Ecko is no longer needed. Bye bye, Ecko. I thought he was a great character, though, and I will miss him.

5) Smoke Monster ... it looks like the writers have brought back the idea that simply wondering around the island is dangerous (Remember when the MYSTERIOUS ISLAND was part of the plot?!). Now, I would imagine that the Losties will have to stick together, not go into the jungle alone, etc. As for what it actually is .... I'm lost, too. Is it running by itself? Or is it being controlled by someone? And is it related to the WHISPERS we sometimes hear, too ???

6) The preview for the next/last episode before the 3-month break looks intense. It also looks like they're cramming a lot of story into 1 hour. An operation, the whole Kate/Sawyer plot, a Kate flashback, and the Losties, too??!! My!

7) The Patch Guy ... I'm so intrigued. I'm having a hard time digesting the backstory, though. I get confused about Dharma vs. Danielle's Scientist Group vs. the Hatch Dudes ...

8) Where are the children????

Thanks again!!!

#28. Posted by: Matt at November 2, 2006 2:15 PM

Mac Morning to all!!!

Mac, great review...laugh out loud funny!

I am friggin' pissed that Eko is dead. The relationship between Locke and Eko has been the most intersting thus far, except for the turn of events between Juliet and Jack. I was so upset to see him go, I couldn't sleep last night. Perhaps I have too much emotionally invested in the show :) ya think?

Can I just point out...where are all the black actors? First WALT & MICHAEL conveniently left the island on a boat, EKO is killed. Anyone seen ROSE lately? Or how about MRS. PUGH? All this time spent in OtherWorld and no site of her either? Can a brother get some love from the writers at ABC?

Anyone know why Harold Perrineau (Michael) is still credited for this season? Is he coming back? He is listed on IMDB on all episodes.

I am ready for the castaways to kick some others butt. I like your thoery Mac, that the tide will turn soon. IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME! Hopefully Nikki and Paulo will die soon. They are annoying as hell.

Thank god Jack got is game on again!

#29. Posted by: Kimberly at November 2, 2006 2:15 PM

I am with you guys....given that Benry flat out told Jack their "plan" was to mess with his head, what cause do we have to trust anything, anything at all, that he or Juliet say or do? Now, I, for one, really like the idea of Jack and Juliet working together....but, I have no reason to trust her. What if it's her plan to eradicate Benry so she can take over? What if she is really in charge in the first place?

I miss Eko already...he was my fave. I am perpetually disturbed by and confused by the black smoke thing. Does Dharma control it? Do the Others (HBO's or "other"wise...) know about it? Is is energy? Is it consciousness? Is it the same thing Locke saw, and, if so, why did it manifest itself as white when he saw it and black when Eko did?

Was Eko a good guy or a bad guy?

#30. Posted by: Vikki at November 2, 2006 2:17 PM

What!?! No jokes about Jack getting the "Subterranean Homesick Blues" from Juliette's video? That was a hanging curveball right over the plate, and you whiffed on it, Mac. For shame, for shame.

Other than that, another fine episode recap.

I'm more skeptical than you about whether the slow pacing of this season can/will be justified by what follows next, but the proof will be in the pudding. After reading your recap, a new thought occurred: the smoke monster has been suddenly brought back on stage at the same time the new plotline is being drawn to Mr. Patch. One can expect there's going to turn out to be some connection between the two, but lord only knows what.

#31. Posted by: Deep Cover at November 2, 2006 2:20 PM

When Ben was talking to Jack about the plan to "break" him, I couldn't help but think they already have. When Jack was first captured/imprisoned, he flailed about his cage, refused to eat and demanded to know where his friends are. Now he either sits peacefully or gets in a few reps of chin-ups, munches on a cheeseburger, attends other funerals and enjoys quiet conversation. If that isn't breaking, I don't know what is!

#32. Posted by: Amy at November 2, 2006 2:21 PM

Has anyone noticed that there are no Hanso Foundation Commercials this season? LOL

#33. Posted by: Keluha at November 2, 2006 2:22 PM

I think Ben only told Jack of his breaking plan to try and gain his trust. Kind of like, if I tell you what I was going to do to you, but now I'm not, you'll start to think better of me. Something like that.

#34. Posted by: Amy at November 2, 2006 2:23 PM

I also don't think we are giving Jack enough credit. I am sure he has been considering his options and has something up his sleeve.

I don't trust Juliette. The one talking or the one holding the signs. Maybe Ben was behind the signs?

#35. Posted by: Melissa at November 2, 2006 2:23 PM

@DC: Yup, that was definitely in the wheelhouse. I'm slipping in my old age ;) -- mac

#36. Posted by: mac at November 2, 2006 2:25 PM

What is with the others? are they a cult? do the worship weak-ass late 60's pop tunes or something? And what's with Captain Eye Patch? is he from a different group of others? does he control old smokey? I will miss Ecko, there are too many charachters allreday to loose a good one and add some lame ones. Like that kid with the bad attitude Apple boy.

#37. Posted by: danlostinboston at November 2, 2006 2:25 PM

I have to believe that the image of Yemi was indeed Smoky. And therefore it stands to reason that the other images people have seen (Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Hurley's friend Dave) were also Smoky. Smoky was stalking Eko, and seemed to back off when Locke appeared. Maybe Smoky only harms people who've done harm to others, e.g., it killed the pilot because intentionally or not the pilot had killed many of the passsengers on his plane. And Eko was unrepentant when "confessing" to Yemi. Very bad mojo. And back when Locke looked into Smoky's eyes, Smoky somehow understood that Locke, even though he'd certainly had the oppportunity to kill the young cop back at Weedpatch, had not taken life. Funny how Eko saw a black monster and Locke saw a bright light. Locke had his faith and Eko didn't. Maybe Smoky is like Yoda's cave on Dagobah, when Yoda tells Luke something along the lines of, "All that's in there is what you take with you." Or maybe Smoky is sorta like Gort from The Day The Earth Stood Still: an unfeeling unstoppable force designed to enforce peace and harmony in its little island universe. If that's true, Sawyer and Kate better watch out.

BTW - someone on one of the other blogs (sorry, Mac) suggested a strong parallel between Lost and 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. I'm gonna hafta do some quick reading. Will report back. Maybe someone who's familiar can comment?

And as for Benry's tumor and the island not healing him, I think maybe he's on the wrong island. Maybe only one of the islands has the power to heal, and maybe that's what Benry was doing when he caught caught up in Rousseau's net. I don't recall - what exactly was the point of her net? Was she trying to capture a polar bear? With a Tonka truck in its mouth?

Juliet is way too hot to be anything but evil. Damn, I like her.

Also, I propose a new acronym…WGNAE…stands for We're Gonna Need Another Eko. Thoughts?

#38. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 2, 2006 2:25 PM


oooh...I like your theory...what if Juliet is the REALLY bad other. That's a good one. The reference to Sawyers comment about Juliet...great connection!

#39. Posted by: kimberly at November 2, 2006 2:27 PM

Something small that I noticed: When Eko was having the hallucination of the warlords in the jungle, he also sees the altar boy who motions "shhh" to him with his finger. Isn't this also what Walt did to Shannon when she used to have visions of him?

And, personally, I am on the "can't stand Paulikki" bandwagon too....I hope something else interesting happens with them....

And, didn't Benry tell Sawyer the best way to earn a con man's respect is to con the con? So who is conning who? Benry? Juliet? Jack? What's the conning combo? Why tell Sawyer that?

#40. Posted by: Vikki at November 2, 2006 2:27 PM

-Eko will be missed.
-Paulo is a tool.

Very Lazarus-like scene with the giant rock in front of the plane entrance.

I thought this episode lent more to the whole "Purgatory Theme". Remember the line at the end from Yemi-guy to Eko, "Are you ready to be judged?"

Any thoughts?

Great job Mac, thanks for cranking these out.

#41. Posted by: chappy at November 2, 2006 2:29 PM

@Ransomjack: I'll vote for it!


#42. Posted by: VIkki at November 2, 2006 2:30 PM

Okay, I'm going to commit a cardinal forum posting sin here, but this is really getting to me, especially after this last episode... It concerns the defibrillator and the upcoming surgery on Ben

"Serious question here...

Supposing that they really did put something into Sawyer, which I'm not sure what to believe now...

Is it possible to install a pacemaker without momentarily stopping the heart?

The reason I ask because if the defibrillator is broken or busted as Juliette says it would:

1.) Possibly imply that it was broken when they used it on Sawyer (despite Juliette's implication that its been broken for a while)

2.) Give Jack crucial evidence later to reveal to Sawyer who will most likely doubt that Ben did NOTHING to him, that without a working defib, they couldn't have installed a pacemaker.

3.) Be really coldhearted of Juliette if the defib WAS in working order because they had just used it on Sawyer and let Colleen die anyway.

I hope this makes since.

Is there a doctor in the house?"

#43. Posted by: Illusivemuse at November 2, 2006 2:32 PM

im hoping nicki/paulo will be like red shirts on start trek

#44. Posted by: joe at November 2, 2006 2:32 PM

I don't understand why the writers had Locke save Eko from the polar bear last episode only to kill him in this one. What were we supposed to learn about Eko and his backstory from this episode that would do us any good? The only thing I really learned is that he wasn't sorry for his past.

#45. Posted by: ydnewc1 at November 2, 2006 2:32 PM


As always, great review. You are the man. I agree with your analysis of the smoke being able to take the form of humans, but I think it can only take the form of people who died on the island. Otherwise it would've already taken the form of one of the survivors and screwed with everyone.

Second, remember the glass eye the Taillies found in the arrow station? I think that glass eye belongs to the man they saw on the television in the Pearl Station.

Also, as far as your suggestion about the map of the other hatches being destroyed, that's not true. Remember, Desmond helped paint the map so obviously he knows where the other hatches should be. Plus with his new psychic powers, he should be able to help hium find it. (If he needs to go on a heroin binge to help paint the future, Charlie can hook him up....oh sorry, wrong show!)


#46. Posted by: Sam at November 2, 2006 2:33 PM

It is not necessary to stop the heart in order to insert a pacemaker; it's a fairly simple procedure when compared to other types of heart surgery.

#47. Posted by: Kathy at November 2, 2006 2:36 PM

Just wondering what sort of control Ben has over the Others that makes it necessary to kill him in order to have a regime change...why can't they stage a coup? Hold an election?

Curious to see how that will pan out...

#48. Posted by: Helen Stergius at November 2, 2006 2:37 PM


Thanks a lot. I figured it would be pretty dangerous to have to stop/restart the heart.

There goes one theory. I still think the "broken" defib is going to be an important piece of the future puzzle.

#49. Posted by: Illusivemuse at November 2, 2006 2:42 PM

Could the polar bear also have been Smokey in disguise? Could explain a lot.

#50. Posted by: howcurious at November 2, 2006 2:43 PM

Sawyer is Schaivo

#51. Posted by: anon at November 2, 2006 2:43 PM


One of your best recaps. I have to say that your wit, like Obi-Locke, was firing on all cylinders for this one.

I'm sad to see Eko go, he was, without a doubt, one of my top 3 fave characters on the show.

I'd like to point out that the creators of the show said at the end of season 2 that this season would see the return of "Smokey", but they also said that we had seen the smoke monster in season 2, but hadn't realized it. I think it is now clear that all the freaky sightings on the island were Smokey. Going all the way back to season one, when Jack saw his father traipsing through the jungle, to the black horse, to (maybe) Walt in the jungle speaking backwards. OK, maybe not Walt, but then you have Hurley seeing his old (imaginary) friend Dave. I also have another theory about Smokey, he (it) DOESN'T read minds. Smokey accesses peoples past through the same method that the island has access to all events in time. The theory that I posted previously that could explain how Desmond can see the future is relelvant to understanding Smokey. Smokey is in tune with the Island and can access anyone's life at random. It came across Eko and accessed his past on the spot. We assumed it was reading his mind because it was flashing images from Eko's past, but that doesn't mean memories. Of course I could be wrong.

#52. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 2:44 PM

Bernard's wife wasn't a tailie. She was one of the "original" survivors, saving hope that her husband who wasn't among the season one crash scene was still alive. They were reunited at the beginning of season two.

#53. Posted by: Sherlock at November 2, 2006 2:47 PM

@ mac

You said another title should be "Eko's Very Bad Day." How about "Eko's Very Last Day?"

"With Colleen cooking in the background" is too funny - good one.

Personally, I thought Obi-Locke said, "Don't mistake coincidence for Kate." ;>)

I would not trust Benry - he's the type who will borrow your pot, then cook your goose.

#54. Posted by: ButchM at November 2, 2006 2:47 PM

The producers had said in the past on their podcast that we have seen more of the smoke monster than we thought. I believe this epsiode proves that when we saw: Wet Walt, Jack's dad on the island, White Horse, etc...we we're actually seeing the smoke monster. Why? I have no clue.

#55. Posted by: Adam at November 2, 2006 2:47 PM


Looks like we're on the same wave length Brotha'

we must have been typing at the same time LOL.

#56. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 2:47 PM

Am I the only person that wants to know what's showing on the other 4 TV's. 1)the "late" hatch and 2) the patch...come on..give me more..

#57. Posted by: tazznutt at November 2, 2006 2:51 PM

Ok, so we're led to believe that Juliet:

1. Got a bunch of poster stock
2. And some markers
3. Made up a bunch of signs
4. Borrowed a Dharma video camera
5. Shot her video (straight to VHS)

And all without ANYone knowing? In an environment where cameras abound and it seems nobody can blink without someone else knowing it? This is why I distrust her, the "little details" do not add up here. And let's not forget the time Benry commented to her, "Nice work" regarding Jack. This is a setup.

I think one of two things will happen.

1. Jack will operate and "fail to save" Ben (he'll really try though, that is Jack) and then Juliet can go "Bwa-ha-ha, you fell for it" -or-

2. Jack will operate, and SAVE Ben (to everyones surprise) but Juliet will still intervene (somehow), negating his efforts. Same "Bwa-ha-ha" effect.

Juliet is eee-vil with a capital E.

Don't doubt it for a second.

#58. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 2:54 PM

1. Interesting how Locke claims to have seen a "bright light" in his first encounter when the monster, yet in "Man of Science, Man of Faith" (second-season premiere) he told Kate that a "column of black smoke" had tried to drag him into a hole. How does our new info about Smokey jive with Rousseau's earlier labeling of it as a "security system"?

2. Just so you know, it's not an accountant's calculator that supplies the smoke monster's noise. It's a weirdly-engineered version of the noise that taxi receipt machines make. Thought you'd like to know that. =) Unfortunately I have no idea where its battle cry came from.

3. Eko wanted to leave the show and the DUI charges against him were dropped, so that couldn't have been the reason he's gone. I say it was the Island Sex Curse; he must have gotten funky with Cindy or something prior to her sudden disappearance. =) Of course, Sawyer and Sayid have yet to be stricken by that curse; I guess they're waiting for those two to hook up with others and THEN kill them off so we can have a Lonely Castaway Grieving Over His/Her Secret Island Lover's Corpse Scene, which seems standard for regular character deaths. Which means, judging from the trailer, that Kate will soon share the curse as well. Darn it, are there going to be ANY main characters left by the end besides Walt?

4. Smokey killed the pilot to prevent him from reading its thoughts, or else there would have been no mystery =). Oops, wrong show.

#59. Posted by: Brandon at November 2, 2006 2:55 PM

Oh, and...

5. I think another instance of us seeing Smokey without realizing it, is the "Hurley bird". In "Exodus Part 2", the first-season finale, we see the Hurley Eagle flying around, a few minutes after which Smokey shows up and starts dragging Locke off to its underground chimney. If you listen, you can hear the Hurley bird calling again, when Kate starts yelling after Jack. I doubt that's a coincidence. =)

#60. Posted by: Brandon at November 2, 2006 3:00 PM


I think Juliet wrote on one of the boards "some of us want a change". That would imply that she is not in it alone, and that there are others in her group that would help her make the video and keep it secret.

#61. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 3:01 PM

Great Update Mac as usual.

After watching last nights episode I was left with a real empty feeling. After the opening scene of "Otherville" this season has been very slow moving, building steam towards something big. I'm just hoping not to be let down next week.

Sad to see Eko gone, he will be missed. Bernard better watch every step he makes now.

Juliette is so playing Jack, it's not even funny. She is completely ruthless (i.e. what Sawyer told Kate "She would shoot you in a second), I think the big shocker next week will be in Ben's death, just a thought, and Juliette taking power and being even more ruthless.

One last point: Dose anyone remember when we were first introduced to the Tallies and Mr. Eko and Jin were searching for Michael through the forest. They had to hide from a band of "Others" that were barefoot and one was even dragging a teddy bear tied to a rope. Something tells me this is another party not yet heard from. (The one's that kidnapped the children & maybe even the flight attendant), would be interesting to have them show up at the end of next weeks episode.

Ok that's it for now



#62. Posted by: Kalico at November 2, 2006 3:04 PM

I agree that Juliet might be one of the 'bad' others. She wasn't asked to tell Jack about the tumor. She did that on her own, so she's definitely making decisions behind Ben's back.

And the part with the cue-cards was just too weird. Juliet seemed evil the day she held the gun to Kate. My first impression that it's just wrong for her to want to kill Ben. If she's good, there has to be a way around killing him, no matter what the problem is. I can't believe that everyone wants him dead -- just her. This is awfully sneaky of her and shows more insight into her personality, or maybe this is just another test to see how Jack will respond. Who will he side with? Why put all this burden on Jack? He's a doctor and it's unethical for him to purposely hurt someone on the operating table.

I will miss Eko! I taped Regis & Kelly this morning, so we'll see what he has to say (if anything at all).


How did they know what Sarah looked like and how did they just happen to have someone like Juliet (who looks like Sarah) there on the island? I mean come on! How much access do they have to everyone's personal information back home. I mean there is no website that posts pics of ex-wives, so Ben has connections with someone back home who tracked Sarah down.

#63. Posted by: Linda at November 2, 2006 3:04 PM

Juliet was doing her best Bob Dylan Imitation with those cue cards, She should do a new version of "Subteranian Homesick Blues based on the Island.

You know "Jacks in the basement mixin up the medacine, Kates in a bear cage thinking bout the government"

#64. Posted by: danlostinboston at November 2, 2006 3:04 PM

Here's what Jack should do. Slip during the procedure with Benry, then silently kill Juliet, Hitman style, before they leave the OR (assuming she will be helping with her medical know-how). Jack should then go outside and kill the Dharma drones that will be guarding the door and take their weapons. Then he should shoot, shoot and shoot some more and when all the Dharma drones and Pickett are dead, he can spring Sawyer and Kate from the bear cages. They can then escape to the other island, pick up those left there and take a compass heading of 342 until they find rescue just like Michael and Walt. Anyone sees a flaw in my plan just let me know.


PS Mac you wiffed on that curve kinda like Coco Crisp. Missing Damon yet?

#65. Posted by: JAC at November 2, 2006 3:05 PM

@JAC -- Don't make me ban you ;) -- mac

#66. Posted by: mac at November 2, 2006 3:07 PM


Hey there- Fabulous recap as always....

Quick question: any thoughts on the music they played during Colleen's funeral? Odd choice...

#67. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 2, 2006 3:08 PM

WGNAE! Yeah, I'm on board with that! Just goes to prove that only the good die young. I will say this though: If Eko had to die, that was the way for him to go!

The whole "Are you a bad man?" thing kept bringing to mind another movie quote: "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" I expected to see it on here, mac, in keeping with all the Wizard of Oz citations.

BTW, Great job recapping the Juliette movie scene! Right after watching it, my first thought was: How is Mac gonna transcript that in blog form? :) You don't disappoint, man!

#68. Posted by: Trinity at November 2, 2006 3:10 PM

Great review Mac.

Ok here are my thoughts.

First, it was an escalator.

Second, The first card that was held up said "Ignore everything I'm saying." Ok, do we ignore everything your actually saying (in the room) or everything you're saying on the cards? This could go two completely different ways.

Third, Mr. Grimm, I think you are dead on again. The smoke monster can read people's past. My only question is, didn't the smoke monster visit Eko at one time in S2 and Eko somehow made it go away? (I think it was when he was walking with Charlie back to the plane crash site - beginning of S2). Why didn't the smokemonster go all King Kong on him then? Why now?

I personally think the smokemonster can take any form it wants. If that's the case, things are going to get real interesting going forward. I think the smokemonster has taken the forms of Jack's Dad, Kate's horse, Yemi and Walt. But how could it take the form of Walt? He's still alive, at least as far as we know. My best guess is that Walt has "special" powers that the smokemonster could access and pull through the space / time continuum even though Walt was still alive? But who knows.

Again, excellent recap, Mac. Much appreciated.

#69. Posted by: Dudelost at November 2, 2006 3:13 PM

@Trinity: To be honest, I absolutely HATE "The Wizard of Oz," so don't be surprised if I completely miss those references. There's just something about that movie that rubs me the wrong way. -- mac

#70. Posted by: mac at November 2, 2006 3:13 PM


I'm with Mac on the Wizard of Oz, that movie always freaked me out - especially the flying monkey scene, gave me the heeby jeebies as a kid.

#71. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 3:17 PM

>Mac the group scampers away, Locke helps Eko shift rocks away from the Beechcraft wreckage.

Was anybody else struck by the parallels with Christian symbolism of a tomb blocked by a rock that had to be rolled away, and when entered the tomb is empty?

Further questions: If Yemi this time was Smoky, could Yemi's previous appearance as a body have been Smoky, too? Maybe event the whole plane? (We've never gotten an explanation how a plane of limited range got from Africa to the South Pacific.)

#72. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 2, 2006 3:18 PM

i read that mr eko didnt want to be on lost for an extended time and it was understood by the producers that his character wouldnt be long term.

first time poster long time reader. love you mac, you are the very very best!

definitely agree nikki&paulo are annoying, although paulo is definitely nice to look at. :)

#73. Posted by: tiffani at November 2, 2006 3:18 PM

mac you are the man no matter what team you root for brother.


#74. Posted by: JAC at November 2, 2006 3:19 PM

the word "brother" is so trendy this season

#75. Posted by: wolf at November 2, 2006 3:21 PM

Mac, awesome recap - look forward to each as much as the actual episodes.

You questioned why Locke would think that reaching out to the Others would make a difference because Locke doesn't have any leverage or anything to trade. Perhaps he remembered what Benry had told him in the hatch - that he had come to bring back Locke.. in that case, Locke would be the trade.. (although we know this was a lie since he was excluded from the list the others gave Michael.)

Juliet points out the obvious - Benry is a liar (in next week's preview for the winter season we may actually see his pants on fire?)

Has anyone yet compiled a list of Benry's lies (either clearly known to be lies or that can be disproven by events)? If so, I haven't come across it in these posts.
I'll start with a handful of the most obvious:
1) The Henry Gale cover story
2) That he had come for Locke
3) That he didn't press the button
4) That he can leave the island (if so why would he put his life in the hands of someone with every reason to kill him and not even have a working defrib. )

Gotta hope that Jack is bright enuff to realize that last one..

#76. Posted by: vacc at November 2, 2006 3:23 PM

@ cecil rose

oh i totally caught that (the Christian symbolism that is). It was the first think i though of when i saw his brothers body was gone. Although Yemi definitely didn't turn out to be Jesus-like.

#77. Posted by: JAC at November 2, 2006 3:24 PM

@JAC -- Flattery will get you very far! -- mac

#78. Posted by: mac at November 2, 2006 3:24 PM

I don't get it...? They show us how deadly Ecko can be and then they kill him off. I wanted to see this guy kick some "other" ass ! Ecko was the most interesting person on the show along with Jack and Locke. Very distraught to see his exit !
The whole "Others" thing is becoming very tiresome. The mystery of why they are there and what they are doing is becoming less and less interesting.
Why is everyone having hallucinations ? It's cool and all, but i think i can recall that we confirmed that the writers said there is nothing supernatural going on. But then, what does that say for Ecko's executioner ? Regardless of that, the scenes of Ecko getting worked by Smokey were awesome ! You people that are nitpicking the cgi polar bears etc are doing just that - nit picking. When Smokey was first revealed I was so sure i would be dissapointed with whatever it was, but i must confess i am VERY impressed with it up to this point.
Can anyone name a better show or even one that has been on par with LOST ? (action drama)
The new chick is hotter than Kate !

"we're gonna need a bigger boat "

#79. Posted by: thinng at November 2, 2006 3:27 PM

Ugh. This episode bummed me out again, and not with the storyline, but with where the show is going or whether it actually is going anywhere.

I agree with Marty. Killing off Eko, leaving only Bernard of the Tailies, leads me to believe that the entire Tailie thing was just filler. Off the top of my head, I can't really think of any significant story points that were advanced by introducing the Tailie characters. Nothing that couldn't have been accomplished using existing characters, which is to say they were just cardboard cutouts that were moved around the board for a while and then disposed of.

Sigh. I go back and forth with this show. I think there seems to be one storyline in there somewhere, and tons of filler and red herrings surrounding and hiding it from view. The way they have summarily killed off all the Tailie characters has left me again feeling like a chump for (to borrow a phrase from Ben) investing myself in those characters in the belief that their storylines would go somewhere.

#80. Posted by: Darryl at November 2, 2006 3:28 PM

What would Jack Bauer do on this island?

Good point by tazznutt, I thought the same thing about the TV's. You got one working why not try the other tv's maybe you will get HBO or ESPN. Worth trying, heck Sayid is a genius maybe he can get the al jezeera network.

#81. Posted by: D Ral at November 2, 2006 3:30 PM

@D ral:


#82. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 3:31 PM


Interesting point. But if I was trying to get what I wanted, I'd say the same thing. What's worse is, you KNOW they are going to cliffhanger us SO bad...

#83. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 3:34 PM

In Juliet's video, is the camera on a tripod or is it handheld by someone else? (Sorry - don't have tivo and didn't notice at the time...)

#84. Posted by: howcurious at November 2, 2006 3:34 PM

I just remembered something else from the interior of the Beechcraft and I wasnted to see if anyone else noticed it, too.
When Eko looks inside for Yemi's body and sees it's gone, there's one of those plaster statues sitting inside (broken in half but otherwise in tact). Wouldn't plaster have melted away while the plane was burning, kinda like all the other ones did? Did the same person/entity who took Yemi's charred body perhaps place a statue where it lay? Oh, the intrigue! My head's gonna explode!

I wonder, too, if Juliette is telling the truth. I have a feeling Jack's hippocratic oath will rear its ugly head during the surgery. At most, he would prevent Ben from ever walking again but I don't believe he'll "accidentally" kill him. That just wouldn't be a smart thing to do, given the state of things in the Other hierarchy.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy visiting Ozland, mac. Is it the scary witch? The damaging tornado? The fact that Dorothy was wearing red shoes with a blue gingham dress?

#85. Posted by: Trinity at November 2, 2006 3:35 PM

It occurred to me and my husband during the scene with the video tape/cue cards that maybe Juliet is the bad one and she's f-ing with Jack's head. We don't know that Ben is the bad guy and Juliet is on the "good side." It could all be a huge mind game. We just don't really know yet.

I wonder if there could be another set of "Others." It would explain a lot of things. Like where the hell are those kids?

And I can't WAIT to find out who "Patch" is. Great reference to Days of Our Lives, Mac! (Steve Johnson).

#86. Posted by: Amanda S. at November 2, 2006 3:39 PM

They are all DEAD!

"L'alba vinceva l'ora mattutina
che fuggia innanzi, si che di lontano
conobbi il tremnolar de la marina.

Noi andavam per lo solingo piano
com' om che torna a la perduta strada,
che 'nfino ad essa li pare ire in vano.

Quando noi fummo la 've la rugiada
pugna col sole, per essere in parte
dove, ad orezza, poco si dirada,

ambo le mani in su l'erbertta sparte
soavemente 'l mio maestro pose:
and' io, che fui accorto di sua arte,

porsi ver' lui le guance lagrimose;
ivi mi fece tutto discoverto
quel color che l'inferno mi nascosse.

Venimmo poi in sul lito diserto,
che mai non vide navicar sue acque
omo, che di tornar sia poscia esperto.

Quivi mi cinse si com' altrui piacque:
oh maraviglia! che qual elli scelse
l'umile pianta, cotal si rinacque

subitamente la onde l'avelse."

- Purgatorio, Canto I, Lines 115 - 136

#87. Posted by: Dante Alighieri at November 2, 2006 3:39 PM

re the Tallies as filler - Aren't we still waiting for the whole Libby in the loony bin story?

The music in the funeral was another 60s song, made me think of the timewarp theory.

Still not clear what Benry was doing when he got caught in the net. If he was on his way to ask for help, why didn't he?

To be honest, I don't know who to believe, Benry or Juliet or neither. They could still be working together.


#88. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at November 2, 2006 3:40 PM

Wsnt' the music that was playing at Colleen's funeral the same music that the losties heard when Sahid rigged up the Radio? and the plume of black smoke that the losties saw, could that have been the other's having other funerals?

#89. Posted by: babydoll at November 2, 2006 3:40 PM

Hey Mr. Grimm, finally I encounter someone else who doesn't like the Wizard of Oz! I've never understood why people think that movie is warm and fuzzy. The evil mean apple tree in particular gave me the willies when I was a kid. And also when the flying monkies rip the scarecrow from limb to limb! How creepy and sick is that?!

#90. Posted by: Darryl at November 2, 2006 3:40 PM

Why does Juliet need to kill Benry if he is already dying from the tumor?(Jack says in the preview that it will be inoperable in a week) Can't they just wait?

#91. Posted by: morgan at November 2, 2006 3:44 PM

Technical point:
Jack asks Ben if his neck hurts, yet the tumor we previously saw was of the lumbar (lower back) spine not the neck. Minor writing inconsistency

#92. Posted by: gables79 at November 2, 2006 3:45 PM

I figured the "funeral music" was just one of her favorite songs. You know, the old "play this to remember me" bit?

#93. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 3:47 PM

Sorry if this has been said already, I couldn't wait to get thru all the posts. I don't understand something. WHen Paolo said that the monitors are probably for monitoring other hatches, Locke acted surprised by this, but didn't they already know this?? When they first went to the Pearl, Locke saw the monitor showing Jack in the original hatch. So they must have known this bit of information, why did they act so surprised?

#94. Posted by: Christina at November 2, 2006 3:47 PM

Killing Mr. Eko. That's F'ed up BIG TIME!!! I mean why did they even have the Tailies come on the show? I don't think Locke needs to worry about being next. But if I were Bernard I'd be sleeping with one eye open!!! I'm just about done with this show!!!! They had better come to the table with something great in the spring or I am going to "get lost!"

Thank you for letting me vent.

Love the reviews MAC!!!

#95. Posted by: Loop at November 2, 2006 3:48 PM

Killing Mr. Eko. That's F'ed up BIG TIME!!! I mean why did they even have the Tailies come on the show? I don't think Locke needs to worry about being next. But if I were Bernard I'd be sleeping with one eye open!!! I'm just about done with this show!!!! They had better come to the table with something great in the spring or I am going to "get lost!"

Thank you for letting me vent.

Love the reviews MAC!!!

#96. Posted by: Loop at November 2, 2006 3:48 PM


A tumor of that size on the spine would affect multiple parts of your body.

#97. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 3:50 PM

Here's what I don't get.
1) Benry has a terminally fatal tumor. If Juliet really wants him dead, why involve Jack at all? Just let Benry eventually die from the tumor. It's got to be a mind-game trick on Jack to see if he will be LOYAL whether it's to Juliet, Benry, or his profession.
2) Good vs. Evil / White (light) vs. Black (smoke) / Locke vs. Eko / believe in God vs. don't believe? These themes are too coincidental not to be intertwined.
3) Resurrection of Christ? When they rolled the boulder away from the plane entrance and the body of Yemi was gone, my husband and I both looked at each other and went "Jesus!"

As a matter of fact, there were a lot of scenes that made me wonder about the "Do you believe in God" statement that Benry made to Jack.

Enough for now... oh, Mac - your review was top notch and I LOL too much (I'm at work... shhhh)

#98. Posted by: Sue-Z-Lost at November 2, 2006 3:52 PM


I was thinking the same thing. The only thing I can think of is that if it doesn't seem like everyone WANTS Ben to live and tries everything to save him, it could lead to an even larger civil unrest among the "Others". Those who support Ben would outright revolt against the Juliette and the Wailers for idling by while their leader wasted away.

#99. Posted by: Illusivemuse at November 2, 2006 3:53 PM

Also, who's to say what Ben may or may not do as he grows more desperate? A man with no time to live has nothing to lose, right?

#100. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 3:58 PM


Locke (and Sayid) were being sarcastic. Obviously they knew the TVs could be used to monitor other stations, that's why they were trying to fix all those wires as Nikki made her revalation. Locke kept giving the video a "you haven't seen this one yet?" look as Nikki was watching it.

#101. Posted by: wolf at November 2, 2006 4:03 PM

Well, I guess if Smokey can impersonate other people on the island, that explains Walt's significant growth over season 1 to season 2. Smokey just can't seem to get the proportions right! :D

#102. Posted by: GatorMike at November 2, 2006 4:05 PM

Is it just me or did anyone else become VERY annoyed by the American Express ads that were shown throughout the show? I think less of the producers and the show in general for agreeing to go along with the "LOST secrets for card members only" BS. Shame on you LOST.

#103. Posted by: FU American Express at November 2, 2006 4:05 PM

Holy God, what an episode!

First off, poor, poor Eko. He was my favorite character behind Sawyer. That guy was the B.A of the whole world! It sucks that they had to kill off such a strong character, I would have liked to see how he would have contributed to the rest of the seasons.. and I also blared my volume to hear what Eko said at the end, and it didnt sound like, you're next.

Did Smokey tell Eko that?? I for one am happy too see Ol' Blackie back in the picture. I couldnt stop laughing when the coward ran away with its tail between its legs..(smokey that is)

I just wanna know what the frig this thing actually is, what its made out of, and where its big brother Invisible Smokey went to.

There definately is something fishy going on with Ben and Juiliet. And i dont like. I think they're both just acting it out, and there really isnt any tumor, but just made up.

The one thing i hope for in the coming episodes is that Nikkie/Paulo or whoever, DIE. My God they are terrible actors and as annoying as freaking mosquitoes. They're like another Shannon and Boone, but worse. I hate them. That's that. Tehy should have been introduced more in season one.

So yeah, that's my two sense, i'd like to hear what you all think about it. and someone please tell me what's going on. is next week the last episode??

#104. Posted by: Sierra at November 2, 2006 4:06 PM

I was surfing another blog and came across a post I thought I would post here - it has to do with the whole "Redemption" theory that some people had last season:

"Why is redemption so important to the island, and why does it, if smokey is an extension of the island, destroy those who refuse to redeem themselves? Is judgment coming for the remaining 815’rs on a grand scale? And since the others seem to be getting by just fine, are they exempt from judgment or are they what remains of others who have been judged, the pure. Many new questions posed in a thoroughly interesting way and an ending to a character that was just fantastic within the mythology of the show.

The advancement of the shows concepts of redemption continues to stun me. Social commentary probably isn't as high on the writers minds as good action and adventure, but the death of Eko forces us to consider what this disembodied force on the island contemplates in its own scale of good, bad, and redeemed. Is it the vast chromic depth that our characters embody, or is shades of gray where evil is one tick away from reformed?

Consider that this may be a sum of actions. Sawyer, we learned, was in fact the total opposite of the self centered in it for himself character he tries to convince everyone he is. In fact, he selflessly gave up a fortune to take care of a love child he'd never met; an act which seems to balance against any of the small time con-jobs he's perpetrated. Eko, on the other hand, had a legacy of violence that walked with
him to the end. A destroyer of men who, for some time, enjoyed that power and wielded it for purposes far removed from good. Redeemable to dozens of fans for sure, but not so to the island who has tried and convicted him on this day."

Any thoughts on how redemption might still play a part in the show, maybe it is the scale against which Smokey measures Good vs. Bad?

#105. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 4:08 PM


The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Dharma is a smokescreen (a Smokeyscreen, maybe) being used by the writers.

The Island hints at a deep pre-Dharma history: The Black Rock, The Foot, the sixties culture (remember, Dharma appears to be 70s/80s), the number of different groups of people.

I think we should stop concentrating on a group of post-hippy pseudo-science, and ask what is it on the Island that is drawing people to it, and why? I suspect that Smokey is intrinsic to the Island, and NOT Dharma created.

As an interesting sidenote about the Others, didn't Goodwin have some US Army penknife? This could suggest that the Others are not Dharma descendents - perhaps the Army was already on the Island when Dharma arrived, and then proceeded to take it back? It would explain how Ben's been on the Island all his life, yet has a perfect American accent.

P.S. I hereby christen the eye-patch guy Patch Adams - I felt better after he made me laugh!

#106. Posted by: Danny at November 2, 2006 4:10 PM

So sad to see Eko go. I too loved the Bob Dylan Juliet scene, funny - isn't that method of signage from Subterranean Homesick Blues? Maybe the entire series is just one big Bob Dylan song translated?

#107. Posted by: MissT at November 2, 2006 4:11 PM


i feel better now.

#108. Posted by: Sierra at November 2, 2006 4:13 PM


I HATED this ep. I liked Eko's character! Did he get the boot because the actor got arrested in HI too? Man, they are dropping like flies over there.

Mac, I think the Pearl station was upgraded to TRaSh 80s, thank you very much.

LOL on the Paulo/deuce dropping line!

@Chappy - Paulo is a Tamale Tool. Total eye candy, but I agree that Paulikki need to move on.

Now I'm wondering if Bernard bumped into Paulo at the toilets when they were on the plane. Lost writers - Flashback scene, please!

Wonder what little corner of the aquarium is not visible from the cams so Jackilette can get their groove on.

#109. Posted by: Connie at November 2, 2006 4:13 PM


i feel better now.

#110. Posted by: Sierra... again at November 2, 2006 4:14 PM

Juliet is going to get into jacks head, then he's going to have a change of heart at the last second and try to save which point he will fail. There will be a terrible misunderstanding, jacks a murderer he did it on purpose etc etc etc....I'm sure some how it will all be cleared up and everyone will have wasted an additional 13 hours of their life that they will never get back....

You know the D-Koz agrees with that!!

#111. Posted by: Here is the deal at November 2, 2006 4:19 PM

I really think that Julliet and Ben are in it together on one big psychological experiement. Also, I don't think that Ben has the tumor. Have we ever seen him display any physical signs of it?

Could Locke actually have the tumor and could the whole experiment is to see what it will take to get an honorable doctor to betray his hippocratic oath?

#112. Posted by: Becky at November 2, 2006 4:23 PM

Mac, as per usual, you RULE! Great wit and humor interjected with the kick a** recap makes my day!!

Where are Rose & Bernard in all of this?

Sorry N&P - your acting isn't the best and just because you're hot doesn't mean you'll win us over!


#113. Posted by: sara at November 2, 2006 4:24 PM

Oh, I like that idea. Jack tries and fails FOR REAL, but Juliet thinks he cooperated with her. Nice!

She's still eeee-vil though. :)

#114. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 4:24 PM

@Wolf, thanks, I think I missed the sarcasm, that must be it.

As for Juliet looking like Sarah, I KNEW there had to be something to that when I first saw her. I immediately thought she looked like Sarah, and I think I wasn't the only one.


#115. Posted by: Christina at November 2, 2006 4:26 PM

Did smokie pre-date Dharma, or is he(she?) the product of the "accident"?
Also, maybe Ben was in remission on the big island, but since the hatch blew up he is now in trouble - the irony there being that it was him who encouraged Locke to not push the button.

#116. Posted by: howcurious at November 2, 2006 4:29 PM

Also about the map, someone said it was blown up with the hatchm but remember Locke drew a picture of it.

#117. Posted by: Christina at November 2, 2006 4:32 PM

Also about the map, someone said it was blown up with the hatch but remember Locke drew a picture of it.

#118. Posted by: Christina at November 2, 2006 4:33 PM

I look forward to your revie all day, Mac...great work!

One point...

Following the viking funeral ceremony, a couple of things came to mind: The Vikings most imprtant God was the one-eyed "Odin" whose domain included warfare, justice, death and wisdom (maybe the eye-patch guy is calling the shots). Also, the Vikings' Gods' main enemy were Giants (could explain the huge foot statue). Now, the white linen outfits...they seem cult-like.

Can't wait for next week!

#119. Posted by: eeyoreebo at November 2, 2006 4:37 PM

(Mac - I changed my to Bunny Lover, hope that's okay. Thought someone may recongize my name from work...)

Okay - Did anyone else notice that when Smokey came sneaking up on Eko while he was drinking from that nasty creek that when it started retreating it had the shape of a polar bear?

One more question - Hasn't every single episode had some sort of Religious symbol in it? Let's think about it... How many can you list?
I'll start:
1) Crosses - plenty in this episode
2) Rolling the stone away from the plane
3) Previous Ep: Mary, Joseph & Jesus (Claire the baby and Charlie?)
4) Charlie's hallucination seeing Claire and ? lady on the beach like angels.
5) "Do you believe in God?" quote from Benry to Jack.
6) "Faith" conversations between Eko & Locke
7) The Bible in the Tailies hatch - the one with the eye in it.
Please, somebody take over...

#120. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 2, 2006 4:41 PM


It seems pretty clear that the tumor and x-rays belong to Ben. His whole statement about finding out about the tumor and 2 days later a spinal surgeon falls from the sky is a little to out there to be used as a believable con. Besides, if the x-ray wasn't Ben's then why did he ask Juliet if she told Jack about it.

Follow me here:

Day 1: X-ray reveals massive spinal tumor

Day 3: Plane crashes with spinal surgeon

Day 74: Let's con the doc and see if he will kill someone.

Ben knew about the tumor and that he had it before the plane even crashed.

#121. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 4:42 PM

Mac--as always, thanks.

A few things about this episode:

1) When Yemi/Smoky monster said to Eko, "You talk to me as if I am your brother" this seems to be an implicit admission that smoky has been materializing things (Daddy Shepard, Kate's horse, Hurley's Dave, the Hurley Bird, etc.) I say this because I have always believed Smoky represents the physical manifestation of one's subconscious mind. Eko died because in a philosophical sense, he could not reconcile that he killed people and "was only surviving" therefore his conscious became visible via Smoky and killed him.

2) I still think Ben and Juliet are trying to mind**** Jack. I think Benry playing the loser ("I failed to break you) and Juliet playing INXS with the "we want a change" are two sides of the same coin. Benry surely knows Jack has a pathological need to save someone from illness and is going to exploit this.

3) I found it interesting that Desmond didn't say or do anything related to his second sight...

4) Paulo and Nikki need to get eaten by Smoky, the Polar Bear, or trapped by Rousseau...get them OFF THE SHOW

5) Where are Rose and Bernard?


#122. Posted by: Jason at November 2, 2006 4:44 PM

Didn't read many posts.... but i will later, sry

This episode ticked me off too. Ecko's dead? ECKO'S DEAD!?!?!?!? How can u fire an actor like that, and keep Paulo/Nicki around.

I know the producers check out some Lost blogs to see viewers reactions... I suggest everyone who agree's to put in their 2 cents about Nicki/Paulo.
so so horrible

#123. Posted by: middies at November 2, 2006 4:44 PM

@ ButchM

That sounds familiar, Ann Margaret being the mother-in-law of Elizabeth Mitchell. Good catch.

#124. Posted by: smitty at November 2, 2006 4:45 PM

If I remember correctly, Locke took the map he drew and stuck it in one of those bank tubes. It ended up with all of the notebooks from the Pearl Hatch in the middle of the island somewhere. Anyone remember this?

#125. Posted by: ND Fan at November 2, 2006 4:45 PM

Oh yes, youre right, ND Fan, he did put the map in the pneumatic tube. So I guess they'll be taking a trip to find the map soon.

#126. Posted by: Christina at November 2, 2006 4:47 PM


If by affecting multiple parts of the body you mean metastatic disease, then yes. However, we were not shown X-rays to that effect. Jack ask about numbness and tingling of the arms. Only a higher level chord lesion would cause those symptoms.


#127. Posted by: gables79 at November 2, 2006 4:48 PM

I know this is random... but on the subject of the new additions to the cast, does anyone else feel that there is so much that has been left unexplained that instead of adding to the fray of backstories and people, they could tie up some stuff?

the whole libby being in the institution with hugo thing STILL bothers me... and we'll probably get none of that explained since she's dead now.

kind of bumming me out...

i love brazilians, but get rid of them, please.

#128. Posted by: Erin at November 2, 2006 4:50 PM

I'm wondering if Smokey impersonating dead people accounts somehow for missing bodies. Jack's father's body is gone...Yemi's body is gone...both were manifestations of Smoky at some point.
Where was the creepy alien looking guy in the biohazard gear glimpsed in the preview last week?

#129. Posted by: crispy seaplanes at November 2, 2006 4:55 PM


I'm not a doctor (and I don't play one on tv), but i have to add my $0.02 regarding the spine tumor symptoms and so on.

I suffer, on occasion from Sciatica, a painful condition of the lower back and the nerve that emenates down the legs. The symptoms are supposed to be lower back, and leg pain. But on some pretty bad days I've had the "numbness in the arms, pain the neck" symptoms that Jack mentioned. Like I said I'm not a Dr. but when it comes to the spine just about anything is possible. IMHO.

#130. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 4:55 PM

Buh buy mr eko!!!! Locke is way cooler, may have had to stop watching if he bit the dust.

Juliet is SOOOOO playing with jack!!

By the way!! To those of you who post the super long posts NO ONE READS THEM!!!!!!! They are just way to long to go through!!

#131. Posted by: ekonomore at November 2, 2006 4:56 PM

Sorry - in my previous post i meant to say "numbness in the arms and pain in the upper neck".

#132. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 4:56 PM


Thank you- I sat here and was trying to come up with the word pneumatic and couldn't!

#133. Posted by: ND Fan at November 2, 2006 4:56 PM

To all long-posters: I can't speak for anyone else, but *I* read them. Seems only fair since I write 8.5 billion words each week ;)

-- mac

#134. Posted by: mac at November 2, 2006 4:59 PM

@crispy seaplanes : good point about the actual bodies of Yemi and Jack's father missing - could that be why the others torched the body at the funeral? I have a suggestion to test this idea out : dig up Boone!!

#135. Posted by: vacc at November 2, 2006 5:03 PM


And we love every one of them! You rock!

#136. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 5:08 PM

@ thinng

New chick hotter than Kate? Come on, she's not even as hot as Juliet.

@ dante aleghieri

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about (hope we don't hear from you again, however)

#137. Posted by: ButchM at November 2, 2006 5:12 PM


Personally, as someone who posts sporadically on this forum with rarely anything to offer other than questions I need answered, I find that most of the people who reply with long posts are generally:

Have interesting theories/highlights
Propose viable plot developments
Add to Mac's review.

I am one of the loyal readers of this forum who enjoys not only the witty review, but the theories and speculations of hundreds of fellow Losties.

You are allowed your opinion, obviously, but know that if you feel these posters are wasting your time, don't exacerbate the problem by adding more to the fray.

#138. Posted by: Illusivemuse at November 2, 2006 5:12 PM

I like the idea that Smoky "casts" from bodies, and maybe in some cases he does, but surely the horse we saw was only 'available' (if you will) in Kate's memory? It seems as though what it does is scan memories (probably not time, although I find that idea interesting in a SciFi kind of way) and can then build any object it wants. It makes you wonder about Vincent a lot more, doesn't it?

#139. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 5:17 PM

@ Illusivemuse
I totally agree with what you said to Ekonomore.

Thank you!! (and thank YOU Mac!!)

#140. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 2, 2006 5:17 PM

I know who the eye patch man is! Doug McClure ;)

You know from those old black & white creature double feature movies. My personal favorite is "The Land That Time Forgot" Sounds like Lost :)

Loved the episode. Hate they killed Ecko, not crazy about Paulikki using up screen time.

#141. Posted by: Dana at November 2, 2006 5:20 PM

@ Becky

You posed an important point. What if this is just another mind game, and Julieete-Benry are just seeing how far they can push Jack's buttons? However much that would disapoint and sadden me it would be a really clever twist.

I SO hope that Juliette is cool...and that Jack trusts her rather than Benry and his evil henchmen. A love connection would be great TV. I'm dreading the 12 week loss-of-Lost; can we still meet up here at to discuss and theorize?


#142. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 2, 2006 5:23 PM

I hope that Juliette and Ben are both around for a long time on this show. I think they are both great actors and play their parts very well. It would sadden me if Ben died at the hands of Jack next week.

#143. Posted by: Dudelost at November 2, 2006 5:25 PM


I would be "lost" if not for long posters. I think that you are missing out on a lot of interesting theories and information if you do not take the time to read the long posts. Your loss I guess.

#144. Posted by: ydnewc1 at November 2, 2006 5:32 PM

so when will see the tie in from the closing scene of season 2 finale? Lets not forget, Desmond's lady and the portugese chaps in no mans land "finding" an electromagnetic anomaly....

i wonder if this will be a topic to be addressed in the spring....

GREAT episode last night...whoever said Eko was BA is totally right...he was a great character, i found myself getting a little misty as the big guy said his farewell...

#145. Posted by: Brian at November 2, 2006 5:39 PM

I don't mind the length of anyone's posting (long or short) as long as spelling and grammar are correct; it may be nitpicky, but it drives me nuts when "definitely" is mis-spelled or "your" is used instead of "you're". Or when someone says "sorted details" instead of "sordid". But that's just me.
All of you who picked up on the significance of rolling the stone away from the "tomb" (plane)--I never saw that until you mentioned it. Good catch! Lots of Christian religious references, but aren't the writers Jewish? Interesting...

#146. Posted by: Kathy at November 2, 2006 5:40 PM

With regard to Smokey, if you take away the supernatural, as we have been told can be ruled out, there is only one possibility that I can think of, and it was featured in the (fairly unknown) Michael Crichton book, "Prey". This theory was also mentioned by a comment poster last season.

Anyway, in Prey, there was this concept of nanotechnology swarms. Basically, zillions of little nanotech machines the size of gnats, that would gather together and move in a swarm.

Being little machines, the swarm had the collective intelligence to reconfigure itself, basically morphing into any shape. When not morphed into a shape, the swarm had the appearance of...wait for it...a black dust cloud. In the book, the swarm morphed into human forms, as well.

The premise of the book was that this technology was developed in order to build floating billboards that could be reconfigured on the fly, but then it all went amok and you had a nanotech swarm gone wild.

More on the storyline of Prey here, if you're interested:

#147. Posted by: Darryl at November 2, 2006 5:44 PM

Has anyone thought about this? The Others can contact the outside world. They can gather information about the Losties and get a video tape of the World Series. But Benry does not or cannot get off the island to get necessary treatments. WHY?

Is it because he cannot get off the island? Or is he afraid to be away because some of them may rebel against him? If he is operated by Jack on the island, he will still be out of action for a while. It does not make sense.

Do you remember a few weeks ago, when the Others learned that Sayid, Sun and Jin had a yacht, one of them said they needed to get the yacht? They obviously did not want the Losties to have a mean of transportation. So is it possible to get off the island?

It really baffles me that the Others collected so much information about the Losties. It is not just about Jack. Colleen knew Sun's name. They must have outside helpers. Why did they want to know so much about the Losties? Why did they not help the plane crash victims? Do they want to keep their island secrets from the outside world? When does Desmond's girlfriend arrive there to rescue them???

#148. Posted by: DeeDee at November 2, 2006 5:47 PM


I couldn't agree more, but this theory has (as far as I know) been stated as defa.. definate... absolutely false.

#149. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 5:50 PM

First time poster...Mac, another top-notch job. Beautifully written, and very thorough, as always.

Just a few things...after reading through the many posts this afternoon, I thought I would bring up something my wife and I discussed last night. No matter what you think of the writers or the direction of the current season, they definitely upped the viewers emotional investment in the show last night by doing something they have never done before...killing off a character beloved by the fans AND the characters on the show itself.

I have yet to read a post on this blog saying, "Thank God they finally got rid of Eko!" When Boone, Shannon, the drowning lady from Season 1, Goodwin, Ethan, Libby, Ana-Lucia, the tailee that got his neck snapped, etc., got offed on the show, none of the fans batted an eyelash. It was more of "Good riddance", rather than "Oh my goodness!" With the exception of Sayid mourning Shannon and Hurley going catatonic over Libby, I don't think any of the characters on the show were going to miss the deceased either!

With that single episode last night, those writers took something away from all the fans that cherished that B.A. dude called Eko. And, personally, I think we should thank them for it. How many times in our lives do we all get to sit in front of a television show and feel true emotion welling up inside of us? Certainly not from the latest episode of "Dancing with the Stars".

OK...down to business.

Did Locke say that he saw a "bright light and it was beautiful" or did he actually say he saw a "white light"? I thought I heard him say "white". That played into the many black/white, good/evil, redeemed/unredeemed issues we have seen since watching Locke and Walt play backgammon n the beach.

I thought Jack doing those chin-ups as Benry walked in was one of those tough guy, confident inmate, power plays. Benry is small and jack now considers him to be sickly. Jack's knowledge (or perceived knowledge) seemed to give him some extra power and confidence. Much more reason to believe this than that the Others have "broken him".

Locke's reason for heading to the Pearl might be just one of curiosity, don't you think? Des has just informed him that they could communicate through the computers to other hatches. The only other hatch that Locke knows the location of is the Pearl. As far as I can remember, the only Lostie that knew about the computers being able to contact each other was Michael when he was communicating with Walt through the hatch computer. I don't think Locke necessarily had a plan to get Jack, Kate, and Sawyer back just yet--this was just a re-con mission, maybe.

One question for me was finally answered that goes back to the very first did the pilot get pulled straight up out of the cockpit window and left it the tops of the trees? Ol' smokey is bigger than we thought and has a pretty mean Kung-Fu Grip!

Nice article in the latest Entertainment Weekly on the actress playing Juliet. (Small spoiler alert!) The reporter notes how nice she is right before she walks out on the beach to film a scene of her shooting someone for an episode to air in February. So, we know Juliet is still around and is no cheeseburger-cooking homebody!

#150. Posted by: RWS at November 2, 2006 5:52 PM

What if the bones in the bear cave were Yemi's? (I have no idea how a polar bear would move the big rock to remove the bones from the plane wreckage and then gently place it back, but, hey, I am just tossing the idea out there...)


#151. Posted by: Vikki at November 2, 2006 5:55 PM

RSW, Amen to what you said about killing Eko...I am in complete agreement there...

On another did EPG (Eye Patch Guy) know that they suddenly were watching him unless his hatch has a feed to the Pearl hatch? How did he know their screen had switched on an focused on him? Didn't he cover up the camera/feed so they could no longer see them?

Is there an obvious answer to that question that I am overlooking? Or should we ponder this? Thoughts?

#152. Posted by: Vikki at November 2, 2006 5:59 PM

@ Sillygirl0630

WMHAS - thank you, I knew someone would finally use it!

@ Kathy

You probably opened a can of worms with the grammar thing, but I agree with you 100%. It drives me bonkers when common words are misspelled.

WMHAS (we might have a sub)

#153. Posted by: ButchM at November 2, 2006 5:59 PM

@TheDuf - where was the nanotech theory said to be false? Was it one of the author podcasts or something? Drat!

#154. Posted by: Darryl at November 2, 2006 5:59 PM

I have also read prey and I totally agree. I read an interview a while ago (think it was on where the producers said that they where inspired by literature of Michael Chriton. Specially Prey. In my opinion, the black smoke is definitely a nano kind of monster.

#155. Posted by: Sven at November 2, 2006 6:01 PM


We're gonna need a bigger translator!

#156. Posted by: Debbie at November 2, 2006 6:06 PM

Just read the initial objection to "long-posters", right after I posted my 500-word screed.

Nice to read the follow-ups from those of you that don't mind, though!


#157. Posted by: RWS at November 2, 2006 6:07 PM


Could be... but there were bones with a Dharma t-shirt as well.

I think Smoky the monster created ALL of it. Yemi's bones, the plane, the statues, everything. We've wondered in this blog several times "gosh, how did that plane get there?" Well, it didn't. It was created by Smoky to use as a test to see how Eko would respond.

I mean really, is there any reason to suppose otherwise, at least as a possibility? Do we accept it could make a copy of a person, but not a small statue? Or a plane? It might be able to do just about anything.

We've all accepted the words "security system" since the day Rousseau brought it up, but who made her RIGHT? That's some kind of security system, that can create objects from thin air, AND is capable of manifesting in different sizes too... sometimes it's a little wisp of gas darting around, and other times it seems as big as the forest.

Whatever it is, I think it is completely autonomous, but it's noises still make me think technology as opposed to "Big Bad Island Spirit" or anything similar. We may never know, I don't recall any promises that we will learn what everything is and how it all functions.

#158. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 6:08 PM

At the end of last night's episode, I thought the following summed up the series:

The angels fell from the heavens to land in hell to seek redemption and forgiveness of their sins in order to have everlasting peace. Amen.

The Purgatory Theory is gaining validity:
1. The Benry group reminded me of the Jimmy Jones cult, post-Kool Aid.
2. Smokey is the supernatural being who can only read people's minds, reconstruct matter to make physical representations of important personal symbols on the island, test the character of an individual and then end a person's existence. Smokey appears to be a gatekeeper, giving the island residents their final tests. It is like Albert Brooks Defending Your Life, but with a Survivor meets Sci-Fi Monster Island backdrop. In Brook's movie, the key to moving on in the afterlife was understanding your personal fears.
3. It would explain why certain character inconsistencies (Locke: not being paralyzed on island) or the men all surviving the Hatch implosion; they are spiritual manifestations created by Smokey and not human bodies subject to the destructive forces of physics, injury or illness.
4. It would explain the need for the backstories, to set up the personal "tests" in the show's themes of good v. evil, right v. wrong, spiritual v. science, etc.

#159. Posted by: welh at November 2, 2006 6:12 PM


I don't remember the exact source, but I had read Prey before seeing the show, and I remember thinking, "Oh, cool, it's a nano cloud." But then I saw a writer comment that said "Nope." and I do remember same simply because it left me puzzled at the time, seemed obvious and not that common to most people yet.

It may have been the magazine, or even one of the podcasts. I'll try to dig it up. And it's not Alien tech either, that was also shot down, so no "It Came From Planet X" or anything like that.

#160. Posted by: TheDuf at November 2, 2006 6:20 PM

Can someone please respond with the significance of Juliet having a "strickingly similar appearance" to Jack's ex-wife? I still don't get it. If she looks like her would she be able to persuade Jack easier? Someone pleeease respond with the answer!

#161. Posted by: Ross at November 2, 2006 6:45 PM


EPG (EyePatchGuy) probably knew he was being watched when the camera started turning. I'm pretty sure that if I was in a room with a camera that hadn't moved in years and suddenly it started panning from one side to the other I'd know it was suddenly working.

#162. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 6:49 PM


This is my 1st posting. I've read your reviews since day one and it's the 1st thing I do when I arrive at work on Thursdays. Love you for making me love Thursdays again.

I was saddened by the departure of Mr. Eko. Loved his backstories and his beautiful face! Following Eko's backstory made me realize that the island is just PURE EVIL! Looks like Mr. Eko had resolved himself to build a church for his brother Yemi (his repentance) but was drawn away by Yemi to more important duties of pushing a button. However, Mr. Eko thought his "visions" of Yemi were pure & clean and followed his every demand - but they weren't. When Yemi said "you talk to me as though I were your brother" I was like...dang! EVIL lurks on the island and Mr. Eko's gonna pay for it!
I've always theorized that the smoke monster is a collection of souls/spirits but why would it want Mr. Eko? Was it because he didn't protect the button?

I also thought the theme of "black & white" again was brought up again between Locke and Eko when Locke said he saw a bright light. Bright light could me white. Again, black/white, good and evil, two islands.

Oh, I honestly think that Ben and Juliette are twins - good/evil? Any thoughts about that?

#163. Posted by: amelia at November 2, 2006 6:53 PM


I like the way you explain the purgatory theory. It makes it sound very plausible. Unfortunately the creators of the show have already proclaimed, in a couple of interviews last year, that the survivors are not in purgatory.

#164. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 2, 2006 6:54 PM

A masterpiece once again, mac.

Juliette is obviously playing with Jack as an expirement to see if he listens to her. Its obviously directed by benry because you could see the reflection on the glass right? (from the camera) or maybe not... is Juliette sincere or not?!?!?! Its driving me crazy!

Maybe I'm just a nerd.

#165. Posted by: forever_lost at November 2, 2006 7:07 PM

1. Mac, you're greater every week.

2. They're introducing these silly characters so, when they kill them, we won't miss them at all ( because killing Eko, Libby etc would lead them to kill other important characters ). So let's give them their 15 minutes of fame.

3. At first I thought that Smokey could be a kind of judge: as far as we know, Locke is a 'good guy', so he sees the bright light; and today we've learnt that our beloved Eko was not a good guy at all, so he's caught by the black light( I wonder what the pilot did ); it looked like the Ghost movie!
But I realized too that when Eko was standing in that kind of garden, with all the cute bushes, he tried to go further, and then, the Security System, aka Smokey, didn't let him in. It seemed like a wall to me...

4. Why didn't Des see this coming?

5. Couldn't Patchman be Radzinsky? Good point whoever remembered about the glass eye

6. Why do all the children in this series say the " ssshhh " line??

7. Never, NEVER trust a blond girl!!

Namaste, WGNABB, WGNABE, IWAE.....

#166. Posted by: Mj at November 2, 2006 7:14 PM

@theduf.....I am beginning to catch on to your SmokeyMountainHighMonster theory here....If it is responsible for all the strange sightings, though, how come Locke and Boone could also see, touch, go into, etc., the place if Smokey brought it there for Eko? The other visions I could understand since only one character saw them, but what gives with the tangible plane then? I appreciate your willingness to keep explaining...thanks!

@Mr. Grimm....thanks for the answer about the camera....ok, let me piece it together....when a character switches on one of the screens, we can assume that causes a camera somewhere else to begin monitoring and moving? I wasn't sure if they were controlling the movement of the camera in EPG's hatch or just watching him off the feed....

#167. Posted by: Vikki at November 2, 2006 7:26 PM

So was Smoke beast impersonating Yemi the whole time, like in other episodes when Yemi had a message for Eko? Poor Eko you were so cool. Also does the whole computer/communication thing mean that they keep the kids and people snatched from beaches ect. in another hatch? If so i wonder wher

#168. Posted by: TheGlassBallerina at November 2, 2006 7:37 PM

When Kate saw the horse for the second time Sawyer was with her and he could also see the horse. Therefore it wasn't in her head.

#169. Posted by: bob at November 2, 2006 8:09 PM

There is definitely a religious connection - many of you have mentioned Christianity, but the funeral reminded me of Hinduism. Everyone was dressed in white, her body was being burnt and then taken into the water (Hindus burn the body and the ashes are submerged in the water).

#170. Posted by: Shiv at November 2, 2006 8:16 PM

I don't have anything to add to the plot discussion except for my first post at the beginning of these recap comments.

I just want to say how IMPRESSED I am that somebody can actually use the word "exacerbate" correctly in a sentence. If only my university students were so adept in their wordsmithing!

YOU GO! Illusivemuse, whoever you are!

#171. Posted by: Davidrh at November 2, 2006 8:23 PM

I am very sad about Eko's departure,a big reason Lost is one of the best shows in years(As Mac stated his interplay with Locke was outstanding and I loved the Faith vs Faith talks between the two also the backstory with him and his brother) So why is he gone...

FYI TV Guide's Ausiello Report

interviewed Cuse & Lindoff who denied any connection between his DUI and his demise on the show as with other Tailies..However

Reports that, per multiple sources, the 39-year-old actor had become an increasingly difficult presence on set, refusing to film scenes as scripted, insisting on rewrites and even "demanding" several times to be released from his contract."

#172. Posted by: Zapper at November 2, 2006 8:24 PM

I am very sad about Eko's departure,a big reason Lost is one of the best shows in years(As Mac stated his interplay with Locke was outstanding and I loved the Faith vs Faith talks between the two also the backstory with him and his brother) So why is he gone...

TV Guide's Ausiello Report

interviewed Cuse & Lindoff who denied any connection between his DUI and his demise on the show as with other Tailies..However

Reports that, per multiple sources, the 39-year-old actor had become an increasingly difficult presence on set, refusing to film scenes as scripted, insisting on rewrites and even "demanding" several times to be released from his contract."

#173. Posted by: Zapper at November 2, 2006 8:25 PM

Locke knew who the patch guy was in an instant, you could see it in his face. Was that Johnny Damon throwing stones in the ocean last week? Sorry, the stones were actually reaching the water. Couldn't have been him.

#174. Posted by: lostsox at November 2, 2006 8:35 PM

Amy, you've got it right, pretty easy to see that Juliet is the "tricky one" and she's been aching to take over as leader of the Others and dispose of Ben...Ben really does think he's doing the "right thing" in leading the Others in whatever higher moral purpose they are working toward..After all he's said "We're The Good Guys" I think he believes it and maybe in some form or fashion its actually true. As "Jraw" pointed out when he was going to the Lost camp but was captured by Rousseau, maybe he was going to ask Jack to operate on him and remove his tumor...Maybe he got tricky when he was captured and wasnt sure he could trust the Losties.

#175. Posted by: Zapper at November 2, 2006 8:46 PM

I have a few points to make, many of them random:

1> Did you notice that Eko NEVER touches Yemi when he refuses to confess? I thought it strange that 'Yemi' would touch the cross but not Eko.

2> I have to bring up the 'old' music at the funeral again. In my mind the Others (bad) and the Dharma people were living together on the same island for a while. Dharma realized the Others were bad, lost the battle, and now steal children to save them. We'll see them next season.

3> If Ben lived on the island his whole life, who taught him his techniques? It's not easy being manipulative.....

4> Juliet must not be much of a fertility doctor if there are no bambinos running around.

5> I loved Eko but his death was perfect for a discussion on what is good and what is bad. He embodied both what is noble and what is savage about humanity. Anyone else would not have had the gravitas.

6> Last, and silliest point, with all the harbour seals being notoriously absent on a tropical island, what is a polar bear to eat on a regular basis?


#176. Posted by: KatiedlC at November 2, 2006 8:50 PM

Eko was is B.A....but Locke is a trueee B.A.M.F

#177. Posted by: Evan at November 2, 2006 8:58 PM

I think the title of this episode should have been "WRONG Answer!"

I don't trust Juliette. It's not in Dr. Do No Harm Jack to kill a patient - even Ben. She's messing with his head. It's a test to see if he'll turn on Juliette which will convince Ben he's good to go under the knife.

#178. Posted by: djrmsn at November 2, 2006 9:00 PM

I haven't read thru all the comments but I think Julia is the LIAR. Remember in the first show of the season, she couldn't even make a batch of muffins without burning them and now she's making all these meals for Jack! She ain't cooking nothin! She's got him buffalo burgered!

#179. Posted by: MommyJ at November 2, 2006 9:17 PM

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, only scanned through the comments.....

Juliet has to either be lying or really stupid. Why even bother with the whole, "we can make it look like an accident" routine?? All Jack has to do is not operate on Ben and he'll die anyway and then Juliet can take command. Seems very odd.

And not for nothing, if I was Jack, I wouldve been planning to kill him in surgery anyway.

#180. Posted by: Lupi at November 2, 2006 9:46 PM

@Danny "Patch Adams"...Love it!

#181. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 2, 2006 9:57 PM

Not sure if anyone brought this up or not but my husband & I were liking the double meaning behind Juliet's movie choice (To Kill a Mockingbird); we're thinking mockingbirds are the liars of the bird world immitating other birds as we've seen Ben the liar do and her movie is essentially instructions on how to kill this mockingbird/liar.

#182. Posted by: Novfraggle at November 2, 2006 10:38 PM

Long time reader, first time to post. Is anyone else wondering what Ben was doing on the main island when he was captured. Is Roussou (sp) on the same side as the others? Was it an accident? If it was an accident, where was he going? Lots of questions, no answers.

#183. Posted by: Kyle at November 2, 2006 11:18 PM

whew that was a lot of posts to get through!
1-mac you're the bestest!
2-With the Alpha Male hierarchy sorted out, the group continues their journey to the Pearl hatch. i laughed out loud when i read that.
3-rip eko i'll miss him :(

#184. Posted by: Laura at November 2, 2006 11:46 PM

whew that was a lot of posts to get through!
1-mac you're the bestest!
2-With the Alpha Male hierarchy sorted out, the group continues their journey to the Pearl hatch. i laughed out loud when i read that.
3-rip eko i'll miss him :(

#185. Posted by: Laura at November 2, 2006 11:46 PM

sorry for the double post! don't know how i did that!

#186. Posted by: Laura at November 2, 2006 11:52 PM

Juliet's signs video may be a test. Ben the control-freak is not going to let Jack cut into his back without being certain he WON'T just kill him while he's in there. My prediction: Jack tells Juliet he's going to do it for real - hippocratic oath & all that - but Juliet & Benry both aren't sure if he means it or if he's just playing along for the cameras. So they go through with a tense operation scene. If Benry lives but gets paralyzed, he can use Locke's wheelchair!

Speaking of Locke - I think he really did miss the details of the Pearl video. I think it proves he was totally self-absorbed during the "?" episode, and wasn't really listening for details. (And he didn't watch it again.)


Did Desmond know what was going to happen to Eko in advance?

Did Desmond look surprised when they heard the noise? I noticed he wasn't the first one up the ladder to go for help!

Or does his power work at odd times?


It seemed like Eko wandered through the "whispers" clearing, in the scene where he halucinated the boy and the machete-head-man. The visions were from lack of sleep/near-death-ness, but their particulars were aroused by the whispers.

Did anyone else think it looked like a sunny-er than normal shot of the whispers-clearing?


Biggest long-term problem for island life on LOST - the male to female ratio! Worse yet, all the women keep dying off... most recently Coleen... and Ben's comment to Sawyer on their mountain hike about making a man go crazy if he doesn't have someone.

Dire warnings...

I hope Kate doesn't die!

#187. Posted by: Herobill at November 2, 2006 11:59 PM

Oh, and the title of To Kill a Mockingbird comes from a conversation where an old lady tells Scout (the young girl) that it'd be a sin to shoot a songbird because it wasn't hurting anybody - there just wouldn't be any point to doing it. And the black man on trial for his life was innocent, but he was convicted. Another sin - according to the book.

I'm wonderng at Juliet's sense of irony, here!

She's suggesting it would NOT be a sin to kill Ben, because Ben has harmed many people!

Just my guess! ;)

#188. Posted by: Herobill at November 3, 2006 12:07 AM

Och, I can't be the only person who thought that "admits" should have been in quotation marks in the following sentence: "I'm telling you this because my wonderful plan got shot to sunshine when you saw my damned x-rays and figured out I was dying," Ben admits.

I didn't like this episode, except for To Kill A Mockingbird: Special Juliet Cut.

(Sorry I haven't been around the boards lately! Hope you kids are having fun... :)

#189. Posted by: verbminx at November 3, 2006 1:12 AM

hahahah ok BENNNNN

instead of just walking out there, you do this whole complex plan so MAYBE you will get your tumor out, instead of just walking out and asking. Ohh yea, you also got 2 of your friends killed, GOOD ONE IDIOT.

This show is slowly moving down my list of priorities.

#190. Posted by: Donovan at November 3, 2006 1:22 AM

Couple points... Vikki & Mr Grimm:
I do not recall seeing the camera move/pan around until the eye patch man moved it himself. Perhaps a light came on and he noticed(too obvious)... But in "?", Locke started to adjust a speaker when he heard static... perhaps the eye patch man was experiencing a Lock Down of his own. (IE: we still dont know why Locke's original Lockdown occured or why Benry claimed to have not pushed the button when he really did.)

As for "Other(Darhma) World", it would be pleasant and romantic to think Juliet really wants Jack to kill Ben. I hope so, but I really think it's all part of an elaborate plan. Juliet is no my 3rd fav character... Now that Ecko's dead, but i still dont think Jack can trust her... I know I sure wouldn't trust her.

I believe Locke saw a bright light. I am not a religious man, but i am now a believer in TropicalIsland-Ology.
-My opinion on Smokey... Even though i still haven't pieced it all together, I believe that once smokey touches Losties he makes them see what is on their conscience (im sure some one will let me know if i misspelled) IE Ecko has a black cloud over his life... and Locke has always been searching for the brighter side, but then again Locke claimed to have seen "black smoke" pulling him under ground in the Season 2 premier... Still haven't figured it out, but i think im onto something...

Sorry folks i have so much more to say but it's so late now and im sure my grammar shows it. Look forward to any responses.

Lost's a garden... Dig It

#191. Posted by: middies at November 3, 2006 1:24 AM

Hey. New to the boards here. Mac, your recaps are amazing and hilarious.


Can somebody please tell me when appearances of the smoke monster had occurred, and what the implications were? I'm talking about confirmed sightings, not just theories. Thanks.


#192. Posted by: Eric at November 3, 2006 3:22 AM

Mac - as always, you the man.
Couple of points in my head. A lot to be said. This was a heavy and earth moving episode. Thank God! Or thank whatever deity rules the island.

- The one I saw mentioned that deserves a lot fo attention is Benry's claim that there's a concrete reason why Juliet resembles Jack's ex-wife. WTF-indeed

- Patch Adams is best assumed to be the man who decided to drop his glass eye in the Aarow Hatch, though why he did so is beyond my idea. Plus is the footage we see current feed or taped broadcast. When they viewed the swan hatch it was taped (right?). Either way he has to play a good role, I hope Radzinsky or other, I think its Ron Pearlman of Hellboy fame.

- Nikki/Paulo - Paulikki. WTF? The deuce being his only compliment to the show ala Al Bundy on Married w/ Children was totally some writer getting fired. Where do they expect us to go with them. The golf course, the caves, Hurley, these are our diversions from the island, not Ken and Barbie. I hope they don't make it to 4th season.

- It really did suck to see Eko go. Though it was nice to see him one last time go midevil on some drug lords in a church with a machette. DAMN! He took those suckers down. And the following scene where he emerged holding a knife and a pistol, a priest soaked in blood. It was a great scene for Eko. I just want to know if they will ever say why he was in Sydney on flight to L.A. - Ana Lucia, Boone, Shannon got pardon. Libby didn't but she has much more in store I'm sure.

- Mac, please don't hold back. Though I read your posts primarily as a text version of Tivo. I prefer the quirps you interject. I have noticed less snide remarks lately. We need less talk, more rock. Because your dynamic rocks, and it gives us the true LOST experience. Not saying you ain't funny, cuz you 200 percent, but you need to stop holding back. Or keep it the same, it ain't my blog, it's yours, do with it what you want, I'll still read it.

#193. Posted by: callaway76 at November 3, 2006 4:14 AM

con-science,?? this can't be right..? "As Good As It Gets"

...and there is no such thinng as "HellBoy fame"

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#194. Posted by: thinng at November 3, 2006 4:41 AM


I have read through ALL these posts - started at 2 am.. just got done now. WOW. I've been reading this blog since season 1 - it's never been more active than now (or at least I didn't realize it until I tried to read 12 hours worth of posts in 2! lol)

just wanted to say a few things:

Although I can understand the hatred and ill will towards Nikki and Paulo, I really respect the way the writers of the show made it seem very rational that we should be introduced and accept these new characters.

Locke was always - do what YOU want. No one is in charge of YOU. It is your OWN free will to do what you choose. Jack was always - this person can come, this person cannot because of these rationalized reason I have, because, well, I'm Jack the doctor.

So I really appreciate that the writers found a way to realistically introduce these two characters to the show - but after I read ALL these posts, no one else seemed to pick up on it. If Jack is captured, and Locke is now the leader of the camp, so to speak, wouldn't it make sense that he would ask/allow anyone who wanted to join the "adventure" to do so?

Nikki's line to Paulo made perfect sense to this fact: "You're always whining that they exclude us - now they're inviting us.. what's the problem?" or something of that ilk...

Anyway - as fans, I know that we immediately dislike them - we immediately disliked Ana Lucia - but not Libby (because she was Hurley's love interest, and contrary to popular belief, Everyone LOVES Hugo) and Bernard, because he was reunited with Rose, and Eko, because he was such a powerful character to contradict and complement Locke (also beloved.)

So - maybe give them a chance????

Although, like some others posted - why do they ALL have to be so attractive and young? I mean, c'mon!!

Oh, and also, they made us believe throughout season 2 that Eko reformed himself and was a good person again after Yemi was shot and put into the plane. They make us ASSUME a lot of things that they later prove to not be true. And if you watch the particular episodes again, you see how they can pull it off.


#195. Posted by: Katie at November 3, 2006 5:13 AM

I know its been said a thousand times, but i hate these new characters. How after 2 seasons can these 2 little horrors sneak their way into the show!??!

Paulo and Nikki are awful and they need to be eaten by summet or blown up like artz or whatever he was called. I hate how smarmy they are and seem to know everything argggghhh!!!!!!

RIP Eko, you were a legend.

#196. Posted by: Scott at November 3, 2006 5:47 AM

Great Review as always Mac

a couple of points -

-Firstly to all those people who think Lost is losing the plot and the storyline is clouded... Shows don't need to have clear storylines to be popular! Look at desperate housewives and house! Do those shows even have storylines?? Lost rocks just the way it is.

-And whats with all the people reading this blog whilst at work!? Shame on you ;)! I hope your jobs arn't defusing bombs or something Jack Bauerish cos then we're all screwed.


PS. The creepy flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz freaked me out too - then again, they still freak me out. *shivers*

#197. Posted by: ellie at November 3, 2006 5:58 AM

Great Review as always Mac

a couple of points -

-Firstly to all those people who think Lost is losing the plot and the storyline is clouded... Shows don't need to have clear storylines to be popular! Look at desperate housewives and house! Do those shows even have storylines?? Lost rocks just the way it is.

-And whats with all the people reading this blog whilst at work!? Shame on you ;)! I hope your jobs arn't defusing bombs or something Jack Bauerish cos then we're all screwed.


PS. The creepy flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz freaked me out too - then again, they still freak me out. *shivers*

#198. Posted by: ellie at November 3, 2006 5:58 AM

"'I didn't tell him they were yours,' Juliet says. 'But I guess you did.'
If that's not confirmation, I don't know what is.

In the land of Lost, that's pretty far from confirmation.

The guy on the camera: when he came on during the preview last week I thought we'd finally get a glimpse of Hanso.
But upon seeing the extended view this week I had to ask my wife I Des' partner (and Sayid's "helper" in Iraq) was dead dead dead. Or if we just thought he was dead. We couldn't remember. He sort of looked like Clancy Brown. But with the static I couldn't tell. I'm probably wrong though. Though I thought that Des and Sayid were a little more taken aback by the image than the rest of the crew.

#199. Posted by: Jeff at November 3, 2006 7:12 AM

@Kyle - Ben says to Locke when he was trapped in the hatch that "when i was caught in that net i was coming for you John"

No idea why... think he then says "coz you're one of the good ones"

#200. Posted by: Scott at November 3, 2006 7:57 AM

You people who are complaining about the tailies being "filler" are beginning to irritate me.

Was Boone filler? Was Shannon filler? How about Walt and Michael? Were they filler?

Just because a character dies in the show doesn't mean they "Served no purpose." Get over it.

#201. Posted by: Jason at November 3, 2006 8:26 AM

I think you're on to something. Most posts refer to Christian symbolism, but let's not forget the many Buddhist tie-ins. Dharma, Namaste, the funeral, and many more.

Juliette burned the muffins in the season opener...then brought him grilled cheese and admitted that she couldn't cook, but put the toothpicks in all by herself by a big girl! Now suddenly, after hours of watching Rachel Ray, she's flippin burgers and rendering animal fat? Please- it's all a lie!

"Lost's a garden... Dig It" .. love it!

#202. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 3, 2006 8:37 AM

I watched Regis & Kelly on Thursday just to see Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Eko). And yes, it's spelled correctly. He said that Eko was on his way to L.A. to find out what happened to his brother (Yemi), so Yemi's plane had already disappeared at the time of Eko's flight. Doesn't explain why Yemi's plane crashed on the island though (somebody else forget to enter the numbers?).

Adewale did say that his role on LOST was always planned to be a short one. As someone else mentioned, he does plan to do some directing and has always wanted to do so.

I "echo" the other comments - I will miss Eko. He had a great character presence on the show.

#203. Posted by: Linda at November 3, 2006 8:53 AM

Maybe I'm overlooking something here, but how does Desmond know that you can communicate between the hatches on the computer? Who has he contacted, or who has contacted him? What was the reason for the contact? I think that information will be very important to find out. Maybe Kelvin isn't dead. Perhaps some group took him and he tried to contact Des (aka Walt / Michael) and Des didn't have the stones to go after Kelvin, or was too mad at him to do it?

#204. Posted by: Dudelost at November 3, 2006 9:37 AM


Found The song they used for Colleen's funeral on it was Losing You-Brenda Lee from 1963

Being a child of the 60s I love the Lost Music Director's choice of music "Make Your Own Kind of Music"-Mama Cass Elliott, etc

#205. Posted by: Zapper at November 3, 2006 9:40 AM


I love it when you bring up these points , it let's me flex my Lost Knowledge muscle. J/K. But if i remember correctly in the Swan orientation video Dr. Candle warns the viewer not use the computer for communicating with the outside world. Seems far-fetched but it could be that Desmond remembered that from having watched the ortientation video repeatedly. Another plausible explanation is that Desmond knew they would see "Patch Adams" on the screen and he came up with a believable excuse for why they should go to the Pearl station.

#206. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 9:42 AM

Just my humble opinion but I am not bummed that Ecko died. His death fit perfectly into the storyline and I would have been pissed off if the writers had crapped out and staged a miracle resurrection. He was a great character although I liked him in flashbacks more than in the present because they seemed more realistic. I think that's one of the things I love about LOST, they are not afraid to push the envelope. I know a lot of people got wind of the fact that somebody was going to die this week and that it was Ecko but that is not the writer's fault. Perhaps it is ours for digging for clues about what's going to happen instead of just enjoying the ride.
Anyway, I still love the show.
"when you're chewing on life's gristle, don't worry, give a whistle".
Haha I am the eternal optimist.
I love this blog.

#207. Posted by: El at November 3, 2006 9:42 AM

As a long poster, seemingly being taken to task, please allow me to apologize to anyone offended by my prolonged monopolization of the prototypical X-gen attention span. I was under the impression that this space was intended for airing one's views, succinct or not. I have tried my utmost to be clear and concise and take exceptional care with my spelling and grammar, knowing full well that errors of that nature tend to be extremely off-putting. I genuinely enjoy the show, and derive great pleasure from Mac's recaps, and the general sense of smart-assery resulting therefrom.

That said (and already I've gone over my "limit", so sorry), I have a few more cents I'd like to throw into the pot…

First, I posted a bit last season about the nonotechnology and the black cloud. I cannot say that that idea was mine originally, or even that I posted it first. But I still think it's valid. Now whether Abrams and Cuse and Lindeloff & Co. will agree with me...

Secondly, the writers seem to have thrown in Paolikki for the sake of the new viewers as an expositionary (sorry about this) tool. As regular viewers, we know who everybody is and what's going on. But in order to capture and retain new viewership, some things are going to require explanation. If this show's viewership continues to decline, we won't have this show or each other to comment on or poke fun at (sorry for the dangling preposition).

And C, I believe the writers defa…deffi…absolutely read the blogs (especially yours, Mac, for obvious reasons), and went out of their way specifically in this last episode to show us what the Beachies are eating. I bet a dollar that we will hear the immortal phrase uttered on the show, "We're gonna need a bigger boat."


#208. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 3, 2006 9:47 AM

@ Zapper-

Thanks for doing the homework!
I love those songs too! Great choices and use of music...the producers/writers are brilliant at this! I was just wondering if that genre was some sort of clue for the viewers. Thoughts?

#209. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 3, 2006 9:48 AM


Your verbose prose causes my capillery restriction to subside in a calming way. Don't ever change your eloquent form of communication.

J/k - who cares how long a post is. The best ideas take time to lay out and explain.

#210. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 9:53 AM

@Mr. Grimm:

Can we always believe what the writers or producers say?

#211. Posted by: welh at November 3, 2006 9:54 AM

@Jason: I agree completely. The stories of the "tailies" are not "filler." They have added a lot to the rich tapestry that is Lost.

The creators of the show have said before that if you get too wrapped up in the "mythology," then you're missing the point of the show. They said it is a character drama, and they wanted to explore who the characters are, hence all the back stories. The island mythology is merely the backdrop.

I love Lost for all the complexity, interpersonal relationships, and really exciting storytelling. To me, it doesn't matter if it all wraps up into a neat little package with a bow on top. I'm enjoying the ride. If you get too bogged down in every little detail, you're missing the big picture. And at the end of the day, it's just a tv show. If you're not having fun, quit watching. I'm having a great time. This is one of the smartest, most entertaining shows ever.

And I'll say it again, just for posterity's sake, Juliet should not be trusted. She is a b.m.f. She probably even has the wallet with the letters embroidered on it (see Pulp Fiction).

And I definitely think Eye Patch Guy is connected to the Arrow Hatch, and the glass eye that Eko found.

I'll shut up now.

#212. Posted by: Amanda S. at November 3, 2006 9:55 AM

One reason I love reading this site's responses is because they ARE long and intelligently written. You can tell the people on this site are "adults" and thank *insert favorite God name here* this site doesn't have the one-liner stupid "bump" comments from kids that just want to chat nonsense. Keep up the good work fellow Lost and Mac lovers! And thank you!

#213. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 3, 2006 10:04 AM


I certainly think the era of the music used is indicative as to when the Other's decendants got to the island, i.e. The computers and equipment is pretty ancient by today's standards

#214. Posted by: Zapper at November 3, 2006 10:09 AM

@Mr. Grimm

I owned a Commodore 64 back in the day and at no point did I think I could "communicate with the outside world" I was just happy if I could make the bat (>0<) fly. LOL.

I like the other thought that Des knew they'd see Patch Adams. I'd still think that Des communicated with someone in another hatch at one point, like Michael and Walt did. I'm just curious to see who he contacted and what the situation was. I really think that will be revealed at some point and will be "big news."

#215. Posted by: Dudelost at November 3, 2006 10:10 AM

With all the theories about Lost, nobody knows where it is going or what it all means.

One thing I'm sure of however, is that Nikki and Paulo must go back to their obscure roles as extras milling around the beach, posthaste!

#216. Posted by: Darryl at November 3, 2006 10:13 AM

I have my points to mention as well:

1. Remember when the plane crashed and Benry said, "There might even be survivors there."? Could that possibly mean that there weren't supposed to be any, and now that's why they are being killed off. maybe Benry has some weird connection with the island.

2. Why does Locke say, "I think he'll be expecting us?" How can they find that guy, and why would they think that?

3. Maybe Juliet is a clone? Isn't cloning one of the projects, and wouldn't that fit with Jack being INVESTED? That was a strange choice of words: invested. Almost like being financially invested or emotionally invested in a cause (like cloning??)

#217. Posted by: meg at November 3, 2006 10:18 AM


Not on everything, but when they come out and tell the fans that a perticular theory holds no water then I tend to believe it. They put themselves out on a limb if they flat out lie about a theory. Also, here's a question for you - To be in purgatory you have to die, so if they are in purgatory then what happened to the survivors that died on the island? Are they "more" dead than everybody else?

#218. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 10:20 AM

Just a couple of thoughts.

When we see the community the others live in, I immediately thought of a military base layout. This could make sense if it was deserted after failed experimentations. More specifically, research and development of weapons (nanophage tech.) that got out control and was immediately cut off from the outside world with all workers left to fend for themselves.

Any thoughts...

#219. Posted by: John at November 3, 2006 10:33 AM

mr. grimm - that part about not using the computer to communicate was the part that was edited out and later replaced by EKo - Dsond never saw it. But, maybe it's part of his seeing into the future bit.

#220. Posted by: meg at November 3, 2006 10:35 AM

Here is a tangent to the Purgatory Theory:
The smoke monster is a soul reaper. It captures the souls of mass fatalities to its island "playground" to set up individual and group conflict/horror because it feeds off the emotional energy of the human spirit.
Benry's group: cult mass suicide taken to their vision of a utopian society; the passengers in the plane taken to a vision of surviving the crash.
Why Eko, Desmond or Locke not killed in Hatch implosion: the monster still wanted to get the last emotional juice like squeezing an orange from Eko in this last episode.

#221. Posted by: cyberbarf at November 3, 2006 10:36 AM

@Mr. Grimm:
When an islander would die, he/she would pass on to his/her final destination: heaven or hell.

#222. Posted by: welh at November 3, 2006 10:38 AM


Ok - I'll grant you that. However if you go with the purgatory theme then it has to follow the rules of purgatory. If I remember correctly from theolgy class way back in my youth spent attending Catholic school, when a soul is sent to Purgatory it resides in limbo for a pre-determined amount of time. The time is in correlation with the sins commited during life. There is one other thing though, children do not go to purgatory, they are considered "innocent" and "free of sin", so how do you explain children being on the island for even one brief moment?

#223. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 11:01 AM


sorry - I mis-spelled your name in my last post.

#224. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 11:05 AM

From wikipedia:

Purgatory -

This purification of the elect is entirely different from the punishment of the damned in hell.[2] The Catholic doctrine holds that the souls in purgatory undergo temporal punishment due to venial sins or as satisfaction due to their transgressions,[3] and that they can be aided by the prayer and sufferings of the faithful and the Sacrifice of the Mass.[4] Hence central to the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory is prayer for the dead.

#225. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 11:12 AM

Another great recap Mac, thanks.
I thought this episode was disappointing, Eko was an interesting character and one of my favorites. Regarding paulo/nikki, they are awful! I don't think the viewers don't like them just because they're new, the writers haven't done a good job of integrating them and their acting (albeit in a limited number of scenes) has been poor.

#226. Posted by: ct at November 3, 2006 11:21 AM

I think that the guy with the eye patch (Patch Adams) looks a lot like Kelvin.

#227. Posted by: themole at November 3, 2006 11:24 AM


I completely agree. That's what led to my thought that Des had talked to someone on the computer in the hatch. I was thinking maybe Kelvin contacted Des after that whole thing where they were on the rocks and Des saw his boat and Kelvin fell back.

#228. Posted by: Dudelost at November 3, 2006 11:27 AM

MAC - No photo for the photo caption this week? I propose a pic of Eko getting swung around by Smokey.

#229. Posted by: Linda at November 3, 2006 11:33 AM

Everyone seems to think that the sole purpose of the 2 new characters is to tell new veiwers of the last two seasons events. But i think the writers just needed a few characters to kill off when the inevitable fight with the others occurs.
It never hurts to have a few extra characters to kill off that the audients has little of no emotional involvement with, but are still regular cast members. Hence the overly weak plot and dialogue involving the two.

#230. Posted by: Cory at November 3, 2006 11:38 AM

Why does everyone in Africa speak English in Eko's backstory, but everyone in Jin's and Sun's backstory speak Korean?

#231. Posted by: Perplexed at November 3, 2006 11:52 AM

MAC -- love your posts! In fact, I have to wait until I have time to savor them as opposed to reading snipets clandestine at work! Thanks for your wit, insight adn all-around awesome writing style!
My favorite was the description of Locke as the "Supreme Executive Island Sage!" Perfect!

I am equally appreciative of such keen, intelligent and thorough posters here (i.e. MR. GRIMM, BUTCHm, RANSOMJACK) -- they make the comments as enjoyoable and thought-provoking as the summaries themselves.

Now...enough of the hearts and flowers. Here are some thoughts/questions:

In one of the Lost podcasts, it was revealed that Jack has met one of the Others back in the real world. Are we to beleive that this is an Other that he has yet to interact with? It would seem to me that it would have to be. Or, could this be Des?

What was up with the KumbeyeYa shirts for the funeral scene? I could dig real deep for massive symbolism here (purity, unity, etc.) -- any takers?

How is it possible that after all that time in the hatch AND the fact that Locke has previously been in the Pearl station that he (aka the Supreme Exec Island Sage himself) NEVER though that the other TVs in the Pearl were monitoring the other stations? Honestly, really, it does not mesh with his character. After all, HE was the one who saw the blast door map and has the knowledge of other hatches exisiting on the island. Are we really to believe that he never made a connection between the "stations" plural reference on the tape (Nikki's big "ah ha" moment), the monitoring equipemnt in the Pearl (and the active monitor in the now blown-up hatch)and the existence of the six hatches on the island? I think this was a major sacrifice to his character and an insult to viewer's intelligence.

For the record: I believe that Juliet is EEEEEvil. Maybe she does want Jack to help her bump of Benry, but it not for the good of all. What is Juliet is the missing female Hanso board member (aka: Liddy Wales) instead of Libby? Perhaps she is playing Jack to get him to help her with an individual quest for power and NOT an internal/group coup to overthrow Ben?

Last thing....can't beleive (don't want to beleive, really) that Lost is going on a 12 week hiatus after next week. Say it isn't so????? Sigh. It will be a long three months. But, we do know that Episode 7 features Juliet flashbacks. So, maybe we'll gain some insight nito her evilness.

#232. Posted by: GatorGal at November 3, 2006 11:52 AM

Ok, have only read through half the postings so far, but I got to ask this:
I had been using to see not only the American preview for next week, but also the Canadian version.
Lostlinks seems to have gone under this last week, and I was wondering if anyone knew of a different place to view them?

#233. Posted by: Zeppo at November 3, 2006 12:00 PM

'Paolikki' - how very Hawai'ian-sounding.....

In response to those who wondered why our ratboy with the obvious Napoleion complex didn't just saunter his Ben-self into the Fusies' camp and sweetly ask Jack to perform the surgery:

It seems as if Juliet has begun to manipulate Jack and become something of a free agent; I have a sneaking
suspicion that Jack is going to turn her down by not deliberately killing Ben on the operating table ('do no harm', the Hippocratic oath, of course and already
the title of one episode - perhaps a bit of foreshadowing) and setting the scene for Juliet to do the job herself, if the latest Entertainment Weekly feature on Elizabeth Mitchell is accurate as it seems to be.....

.....before that, if Ben does discover Juliet's deception and Jack's subsequent refusal, it is going to change the island dynamic dramatically by seeming
to demonstrate compassion, mercy and forgiveness, may even ally Ben to the survivors, which in turn may precipitate the civil war of which has been
spoken.....the great irony here is that Ben's salvation may lie in Jack resisting his efforts to trigger and manipulate feelings between the two
doctors. A big clue as to Benjamin Linus' motives is when he says to Jack, "I WANT you to want to save my
life".....this is a man that appears to have totally lost his faith in humanity and God alike, as his observation about a neural surgeon falling out of the sky just 2
days after he was diagnosed with a life-threatening tumor may reveal - he is terribly lonely, an unbalanced genius misfit (alluded to by his "Of Mice and Men" quote jousting with Sawyer) and is just looking for one sign to have faith in ANYTHING again.....given the caliber of Michael Emerson's acting, this could be the most intriguing aspect of LOST yet. We may begin to actually feel for this crafty, ruthless little man after all as Emerson suggested we would.....and his words to Jack do call into question whether he WAS involved in the plan to bring 815 down, hence there may be another group of 'Others' responsible (if Ben isn't lying again, of course.....)

All that said, the Canadian trailer for next week's ep seems to throw gallons of Hydra-channeled water on this supposition: Jack's demeanor doesn't bode especially well for Ben's continued vitality.....

#234. Posted by: ogam5 at November 3, 2006 12:02 PM

mac- can you do a recap of ogam5's posts from now on as well. :p

Just kidding, ogam5. Thanks for the information. That is really interesting stuff. Thanks again for sharing it.

#235. Posted by: Dudelost at November 3, 2006 12:07 PM

I was sad to see Eko go, but if AAA no longer wanted to be there, well...At least they didn't switch up actors playing the same character like Willie Mays Hayes in "Major League" 1 & 2 or Vivian(Will's aunt) on the "Fresh Prince".
Any predictions for the big cliff hanger? There has been talk of cloning. Maybe Jack operates on Ben's clone as the test. They plot to kill Ben only to be stunned at the end that wasn't really him as he comes through the door!
I think they keep it simple because Lost is a tough show for the average viewer to follow. If they keep making things more complex, I think the ratings will go down.
I agree w/ the Juliet talk. She is evil.

#236. Posted by: MrEko237 at November 3, 2006 12:20 PM

I think the operation is a test for Jack - to show if he is really good or bad.

The island is testing everyone - this is Jack's test

#237. Posted by: ChrisG at November 3, 2006 12:37 PM

>Also about the map, someone said it was blown up with the hatch but remember Locke drew a picture of it.
>Oh yes, youre right, ND Fan, he did put the map in the pneumatic tube. So I guess they'll be taking a trip to find the map soon.

But, I'm trying to remember... Who SAW the map there? Only Hurley returned from that expedition. Think he can find it again? And the map was not in a tube, left on the ground on a tropical island. By now the rains have probably turned it into mush. And it never was much of a map for locating things, anyway.

#238. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 3, 2006 12:48 PM


>At the end of last night's episode, I thought the following summed up the series:

>The angels fell from the heavens to land in hell to seek redemption and forgiveness of their sins in order to have everlasting peace. Amen.

>The Purgatory Theory is gaining validity:...

Except that the writers have pretty much put the kibosh on the Purgatory theory, despite twitting us by making the name of the author of the "Bad Twin" novel (Gary Troup) an anagram of

#239. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 3, 2006 12:53 PM

@Verbminx: Hey there! You've been missed over in the Forum area...good to see you're still around.

@Perplexed: Nigeria was part of Britain's colonies in west Africa. I'm not sure if English is one of the official languages of Nigeria, but it's commonly spoken.

@Whoever posts thoughtful, intelligent, grammatically correct posts: Thank you! Who cares how long they are?

#240. Posted by: Alais_Longthought at November 3, 2006 12:57 PM


>There is definitely a religious connection - many of you have mentioned Christianity, but the funeral reminded me of Hinduism. Everyone was dressed in white, her body was being burnt and then taken into the water (Hindus burn the body and the ashes are submerged in the water).

It reminded me more of a Viking funeral. Except a Viking funeral pyre consisted of a honking big longboat, with enough fuel to reduce a body to ashes before burning to the waterline. And sails to make it move offshore. Based on the funeral we saw I'm expecting to see a slightly singed Colleen-body washing up on the beach in next week's episode.

#241. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 3, 2006 12:58 PM


> Last, and silliest point, with all the harbour seals being notoriously absent on a tropical island, what is a polar bear to eat on a regular basis?

What does a 1000-2000 pound polar bear on a tropical island eat? Anything (anybody?) it wants to.

#242. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 3, 2006 1:02 PM

>As a long poster, seemingly being taken to task, please allow me to apologize to anyone offended by my prolonged monopolization of the prototypical X-gen attention span.

As a soon-to-be long poster myself, intelligent discussion of whatever length is welcome. If you don't have the time to read, the scrollbar is always available.

#243. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 3, 2006 1:04 PM

>Why does everyone in Africa speak English in Eko's backstory, but everyone in Jin's and Sun's backstory speak Korean?

Korea is a unified nation and culture with a single language. Africa is a polyglot continent of thousands of tribes, each with their own language, or at least dialect, divided into 'nations' along lines largely imposed by colonial powers with little or no regard to cultural boundaries. Just as the Indians in India have only English as a common language, so most African nations have only the language of theie former colonizers as a common tongue. It may be English (Nigeria, for instance), French (Cameroon, for instance), or Portuguese.

#244. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 3, 2006 1:16 PM

I think the Bad Em-Effer wallet belongs to Smokey.

And if I may...just a quick tip o' the chapeau to Vikki and Mr Grimm...thank you for the kind words.


(Who sez ya can't type an accent...?)


#245. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 3, 2006 1:25 PM

With all the complaints about grammar, spelling, etc. you'd think we had a bunch of English teachers on this blog.

The song that was playing at the funeral was an interesting choice, and I thought it odd that it was coming out of those speakers planted on the beach. Also, putting a body on a raft like that and setting it on fire is odd. Surely it wouldn't burn all the way, which would leave a dead/decomposing corpse afloat for a while - maybe to float over to the losties.

#246. Posted by: meg at November 3, 2006 1:47 PM

Okay, I'll keep this short...

Is it just me or is there a striking resemblance between Kate and Nikki?

Tie that together with the resemblance between Juliet and Jack's ex-wife Sarah and you've got...I don't know what...send in the clones?

#247. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 3, 2006 1:58 PM

Hey, Mac! Post length complaints! Seems like old times, eh?

Mac has this really bad habit of creating forum/blog communities that attract intelligent people who think complex thoughts and write in complete sentences and paragraphs, occasionally even more than three or four of the latter. It is a heavy burden for him, but I can attest he's always borne it with dignity and grace. He did put his foot down on post length in a forum once, however, and I can assure you that everyone who exceeded the 5 million word limit suffered such opprobrium that they were disgraced for at least, oh, a day or two.

#248. Posted by: Deep Cover at November 3, 2006 2:19 PM

From Wikipedia:

Discredited Theories -
At the heart of the series is a complex and cryptic storyline which spawns numerous unresolved questions. Encouraged by Lost's writers and stars, who often interact with fans online, viewers and TV critics alike have taken to rampant theorization in an attempt to unravel the mysteries. Theories mainly concern the nature of the island, the origins of the "monster" and the "Others", the meaning of the numbers, and the reasons for both the crash and the survival of some passengers.

Several of the more common fan theories have been discussed and rejected by the show's creators, the most common being that the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 are dead or in purgatory. This was specifically denied by J.J. Abrams and was also proven to be wrong by the second season's finale.[34] The makers of the show have also discredited theories such as that the survivors will experience, or have experienced, time travel, which was dismissed by Damon Lindelof.[35] Likewise, speculation that spaceships or aliens influence the events on the island, or that everything seen is a fictional reality taking place in someone's mind, has also been rejected by Lindelof.[35][36]

Carlton Cuse dismissed the theory that the island is a reality TV show and the castaways unwitting housemates[37] and Damon Lindelof also discredited the theory that the "monster" is a nanobot cloud similar to the one featured in Michael Crichton's novel Prey.[38][39]

Another item from Wikipedia, imho a wonderful source guide for all things LOST related. I think the purgatory theory was pretty well killed off by the electrmagnetic anomaly that the two Arctic researchers detected and contacted Penny Widmore about. If it were purgatory it would exist on a different physical plane, or on a higher level of consciousness.

#249. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 2:25 PM

Wow, great (and articulate) discussion this week! If you hate long posts, skip ahead...

I will miss Ecko -- he was great -- the strong and silent type, carrying a big stick.

I got a totally different feel about the Yemi/Ecko last discussion. When Yemi said "You speak to me as if I was your brother." As if Yemi were saying he no longer considered Ecko his brother, due to all the bad things Ecko had done and was unrepentant of. I totally expected Ecko to beg, plead, and say "Yemi, I did it for you, so that you would live, so I could take care of you, and protect you." Instead, it was as if Yemi was saying Ecko was not seeing things as they really were, like, just because I look like your brother, you're assuming I am your brother (and I could care less about your eloquent soliliquy). Ecko gets a panicked, suddenly-concerned look on his face and starts screaming "Who are you!?"

It made me think of the movie Contact, where there was a conciousness that could only communicate with you be taking the form of someone/thing in your mind. I think Smokey was Yemi -- you never do see the two on screen at the same time. It also seemed Yemi was not a ghost, and had a physical form, as he could lift the cross necklace.

Someone asked why Juliet would want to kill Ben, if the tumor was going to kill him in a week anyway. I thought Jack said Ben wouldn't be walking soon, due to the tumor, not that it would kill him in just a week. I don't think Jack has it in him to kill someone, on purpose, in an operation. And I think the Others plan is to get Jack involved/lovey with Juliet, so he'll defend the Others against the Losties. Don't you think it's odd he never asks about Kate or Sawyer?

I think you can't ever leave the island, and Ben know this. I think he gave Michael and Walt compass directions that will cause their demise.

#250. Posted by: lost chao at November 3, 2006 2:31 PM

I love the reviews! Read them immediately after watching the how Thursday nights (we are iTunes viewers).

Unfortunately I now feel two ways about the show. I love Juliet, Benry, and Jack's resurgence. Even the depressing treatment of Sawyer and Kate has been interesting and pretty well handled. I'm very interested to see what happens next week on Other Island (I'm a believer in Juliet's evilness and think she is still working in conjunction with Ben against Jack.)

However, back at the beach things are a disaster. Did anyone else find Locke to be not Obi-Locke, but Irritating-Locke? He never shut up and sounded like a high school philosophy teacher (with apologies to high school philosophy teachers). And he actually said that Nikki made him feel stupid? Unbelievable. Those insipid new characters, however slowly introduced, better be gone within a couple episodes. They are intolerable and pull me right out of immersion and into the feeling of actually watching a show. That is not good for a show like Lost.
Eko is now dead?? I can live with main characters being killed, but this one really felt contrived. What purpose did it serve? I suppose we now know a bit more about the smoke cloud, but is that worth a trade for Eko? I don't think so.
Desmond can see the future in sporadic ways? Desmond can see the future at all? Ugh. Please focus on Other Island until there is an interesting story to tell at the beach.

#251. Posted by: jakobscalpel at November 3, 2006 2:39 PM

@ Dudelost

"mac- can you do a recap of ogam5's posts from now on as well. :p"

Dude, I was taking a sip of my soda when I read this and literally laughed it through my nose... Thanks for the sinus cleaning... painful, but funny!

(No offense ogam5 - I, too, enjoy your comments and don't care how long they are.)

WGNALP -(We're Gonna Need A Longer Post)

#252. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 3, 2006 3:02 PM

@ meg

FYI I am a eNGLisH taecher and it ofents me when are grammir and langage is noot uset poperly. iT mukes me fell
sorta lost and derssessed. Exspecialy whens peoples missspell debinately.

#253. Posted by: ButchM at November 3, 2006 3:05 PM

@ ransomjackson

(1) Send in the clones? U r a funny man! I love that!

(2) You predict the writers will include "We're gonna need a bigger boat" on one of the epsiodes. If they do, I think all of us here on mac's blog will do cartwheels (just before being loaded onto a gurney). It would sure make all of us pleased as punch, to be certain. And ransyjacksy, it would make you look like an absolute GENUIS! Scotland Yard, take note.

@ GatorGal

(1) I thoroughly agree with you about Locke. After Nikki's big "aha" moment, I was stunned (and amazed, too) that Obi seemed stupefied over the matter.

(2) The 12 week hiatus - man, that was like all of last summer, wasn't it? Only then we had some sunshine!

@ orgam5

(1) You're right - there is no way Jack is gonna perform a dastardly deed on Benry on the operating table. Afterall, Jack is one of the "good" guys.

(2) Wow, you make an eerie but valid point! What if the writiers are trying to make us feel sympathy for Benry? Can it be? Whoa!

#254. Posted by: ButchM at November 3, 2006 3:14 PM

@lost chao:

I think that Jack's comment was that the tumor would be inoperable in about a week. Ben might linger around much longer than that. Juliet might want Ben out of the way much quicker than the cancer will take to finish him off. You might wonder what the hurry is all about to get Ben out of the picture. It's possible that if he dies of natural causes it will give him time to cement his form of rule. His philosophies so to speak. But if he dies of a tragic accident while his life is being saved then it's just that, a tragedy and the loss of a leader that didn't have time to establish his legacy, and a new leader could easily step in and make changes.

Just a thought.

#255. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 3, 2006 3:17 PM

Sort of off-topic of recent messages, but this one has been bugging me: the hatch was stated to have "imploded", which is the opposite of "explode". Meaning that rather the blast being directed outward, it was supposedly directed inward. That being the case, how is it that Locke, Desmond and Ecko ended up blown outward, out of the crater? They should have been forced to the center of the implosion and had the entire hatch collapse inward on them.

I raise this little logic error without much hope that it can be solved! I think it is probably just a flub to have called it an implosion.

#256. Posted by: Darryl at November 3, 2006 3:25 PM


I also wondered how smokey was able to toss the pilot around in season we vividly know.

Smokey as Yemi, Jack's dad, Hurley's friend that explanation. Simply because it may help to put to rest the talk of Dr. Dad being alive and behind all that is Dharma!

I'm going to jump on the 'Juliet is playing Jack' bandwagon. I think she is definitely (spell checked) going to turn out to be a very bad and remorseless person. Capable of doing very bad things. Whether she's still in cahoots with Benry or not, she is going to turn out to be bad badder than Leroy Brown. Whether Jack goes along with Julievilette or not, I still hope he attempts to get some leverage for performing the know, like letting K & S go as a condition of doing the operation.

It's just hard to accept the Lostaways talking to Paulikki as if they've been an integral part of the show all along. When the Tailees were introduced we had a whole episode focused just on them and got to know them well right away. Not so with these two. Maybe we'll be more endeared to them once we see a backstory or two. However, I am digging Nikki's great big round beautiful...eyes.

The white shirts totally screamed CULT to me.

I loved Obi-Locke's calm and cool response to eye patch dude turning off the camera. Great smile and expression too as he said it.

#257. Posted by: JoePike at November 3, 2006 3:28 PM

I am still perplexed by something from the episode: Desmond's apparent and tempermental clairvoyance....Why didn't he know that Eko would die and try to prevent it? Why didn't he know the smoke monster would get Eko or was lurking behind them? Why wasn't he able to tell the gang in the Pearl station that they would soon see EPG?

Unless we are wrong in assuming that he actually now has, or has always had, this clairvoyant ability, I think there is a lot to ponder here. Does this forethought only predict weather occurences? Does the Smokey McSmokerson interfere with his ability to do so because Smokey has a stronger energy? Perhaps Desmond only gets visions? And "visions" have been such an intertwining plot device since day one, so who knows? I am not sure I even want to know the answers to these questions because I do believe things will be revealed in due time, but it has just been on my mind. What do you all think?

#258. Posted by: Vikki at November 3, 2006 3:28 PM

Do you think the smoke beast was Boone when Locke was in the smoke tent??

#259. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at November 3, 2006 3:43 PM

We don't know much about the relation between Juliet and Ben. Could it be that Juliet is the "mother" or "creator" of Ben?

- Ben was born on the island
- Juliet is a fertility doctor
- Walt did grow really fast while he was held captive at the Others camp (probably because they experiment with growth factors)
- if Ben is in fact a "failed" experiment of genetic manipulation, cloning or whatever (which could also have caused the spinal tumor), maybe Juliet wants to get rid of her own experiment

#260. Posted by: Xcuse at November 3, 2006 3:58 PM

There has got to be something more to Ben telling Jack that Juliet resembles his ex-wife - I'm just not sure what that is.

Keeping in mind that he could be lying.....Is he saying that he purposefully got her to question/feed him b/c he would be more prone to like her (and empathize with them) as oppossed to say a brunette?

If she is an other leader, than this would just be coincidence, right?

Also, we get it...

NEW Charaters = bad

Ekos death = bad.

As King Jaffe Joffer would say "It is Settled"

#261. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at November 3, 2006 4:00 PM

Guys...its pretty obvious that the smoke monster was yemi..."you speak to me as if im your brother"...that means hes not really his brother cause hes the smoke monster. He prolly had to take the form of Yemi to get a confession out of eko. Cause he would more likely confess to yemi than a huge cloud of smoke. and right after Yemi walked away..o ya the Smoke monster appread. Just put it together. The island wants people to do good. I dont no if boone was the smoke monster but if he was he wanted jon to to good and the island wanted Eko to confess and he didnt and guess what he died.

#262. Posted by: Evan at November 3, 2006 4:15 PM

To understand the smoke monster read Michael Crichton's "PREY".

All answers come to those who look...

#263. Posted by: man_of_faith at November 3, 2006 4:25 PM

@ Darryl

Implode/explode - You did a nice job in explaining the difference.

You're right, obviously. How could they have been blown outwards during an implosion? Me thinks it is because they are central characters to the show.

I like Obi Locke as a character but I can't see why so many people think that he is the "go to" guy now that Jack is gone. He has made so many errors in judgment that it is ridiculous. I just don't see Locke leading the losties to a victory lap around the track.

#264. Posted by: ButchM at November 3, 2006 4:29 PM

What if Desmond is not having visions of the future, but has the ability to create events like the lightning strike on the beach?
What else has the ability to create visions or create events? The smoke monster.
What if one part of the smoke monster is Desmond?
If it can create objects and events, why could it not create "characters" to spy on the Losties and the Others?

#265. Posted by: welh at November 3, 2006 4:43 PM

Smokey McSmokerson... HA,i often use the something mcsomethingson nickname.
And will refer to the him as that from now on.

More points to make....
When Locke first found the Swan he didn't care about the Tv's/monitors or camera's. He "realized" that it was all fake and, and the time, his world was coming down on him. We all know Locke would have had that epiphany soon enough w/out Nicki. In fact he probably would have realized it much sooner if Paulo/Nicki weren't such a pathetic distraction.

I also just thought about the giant chain Sayid found coming from the water in Season 1 when he first met Rousseau. Maybe the Others/Darhma folk placed it there to distract anyone from following the beach to the Other Island.

Also, Jack has asked Benry about Kate and Sawyer. Benry told Jack that they are close and that is all he wants to tell him.

Lastly... Not so much concered about seeing Rose and Bernard. They are not important now, they are healthy and happy. But where the heck is Ms. Klugh(Bea). Did the actress return for Season 3???

#266. Posted by: middies at November 3, 2006 4:58 PM

@ButchM, I was just listening to the writer's podcast, and they actually addressed the implosion/explosion issue. They basically joked about it and admitted that it didn't make any sense that an implosion propelled the people outward. Nothing more than that and it is funny, because I was starting to wonder if the implosion warped time or something and allowed everyone to get out before the blast (along with giving Desmond the 6th sense). Just goes to show that it is easy to concoct meaning in this show when there isn't any!

#267. Posted by: Darryl at November 3, 2006 5:07 PM

Hi Guys,

If Mac decides to keep the board open while the show is off air maybe we can pose and/or vote for the top 50 unanswered questions. I would have to say one of my top ten questions would be, “Who is whispering in the woods and why?” I personally love SciFi, but if I even remotely heard the kind of whispering that Sayid and others have heard I’d run first and ask questions later.

It’s just a thought; the hiatus will soon be upon us.

Side Note: I love the interaction on this board. Great incites into your thoughts and perceptions about the show. I think half of the fun for the show is the scavenger hunt for answers.

#268. Posted by: Dana at November 3, 2006 5:10 PM

A few thoughts:

- BunnyLover, it's my supreme pleasure:)

- If Locke were a cat, he would've already coughed up two of his nine lives after everything he's been through in the last 3 months on the island - the guy is still reclaiming his faculties, but the occasional serenity of Season One seems to have become his prevailing personality - like most spiritual types, he's reveling in - taking renewed strength from - the chance to be humble and humbled, hence his 'well, I'm suddenly feeling very stupid' comment to Nikki.....

- I want to advance a theory concerning ol' Smokey: I think our resident ethereal watchdog has the ability not just to read people's minds and feelings, but to BLOCK others from realizing its less-obvious intentions - which is why Desmond may not have seen coming the ghastly beating that awaited Eko.....

- Finally, Ben if anyone illustrates that there really is no such thing as evil; Juliet is acting from her desperate need to be free of Ben and the island, just as Eko killed to save Yemi and the village in Nigeria, not to mention Ben's pathological need for attention and company.....speaking of which, don't remember who it was that posted their belief that the Beechcraft - like Yemi and the warlord - was a fabrication of Smokey.....the more I think about it, the more that this seems the only plausible explanation for its presence (although I am aware that one of the ley lines in Ivan Sanderson's 'Vile Vortices' scenario runs from Nigeria to the South Pacific, but the specificity makes that more doubtful as a reason for the plane being on this particular island.

#269. Posted by: ogam5 at November 3, 2006 5:20 PM

As much as I think it would be excellent if Juliet was a baaaaad girl, I don't think she is. What then would be the point of showing us that very first scene of the season, where she was vulnerable, on the verge of tears, and had to buck herself up to get through the book club meeting?

#270. Posted by: AB at November 3, 2006 6:10 PM

Ok, a few topics i have to bring up becouse no one else will listen...

First things first.
Eko is gone! im so depressed.

The Smoke:
Whats with the crappy efects on that?!?
Whats with the fact that im the only one to bring this up?

I agree with evryone on the whole " I hope you die" thing, but first get a shot of Paulo shirtless.


It's not a test. I can tell you that much.Benry values his life to much to put it on the line.

Jack will side with Juliet just couse hes got the hots for her.

#271. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 3, 2006 6:32 PM


How bout
Evreybody Hates Paulikki

Any takers?

#272. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 3, 2006 6:38 PM

@ Bob

Bob, I wasn't trying to say that the horse seen by Kate and Sawyer was only in her head, rather that Smoky "made" the horse from her memories, and that is what they saw. Of course, the more interesting part is WHY it was made.

@ Grimm

Thanks for finding those references on Wiki, I knew I had seen it somewhere! I agree with you on Wiki 100%, nothing like a user-edited area to keep something like Lost trivia current.

@ Vikki

You asked why other people could interact with the plane. Well, although the plane was a test for Eko, it was still a physical object, and it could be interacted with. That part I am much more 'still in theory stage' about. Although the people and the Hurley bird seem 100% Smoky creations to me, I just made the suggestion on the other physical objects because it offers an explanation for how they got there in the first place.

Especially with the plane, it was just too perfectly positioned near Pearl. It seemed very much like a lure to me in that context, and that was what made me wonder if it was intentionally created by Smoky.

But the part that is hard to adjust to is that it could be ANYone, ANYtime, if we accept it can 'create' people from memories and/or direct contact. I still wonder if it's been Vincent a couple of times. :)

I want to see a flashback now showing the view from behind Locke when he saw Smoky that time. Whatever else it may be, the black cloud isn't really beautiful, so that intrigues me...

OR... did he see something else entirely?

#273. Posted by: TheDuf at November 3, 2006 6:55 PM

@ Darryl-About the whole implosion/explosion deal; If it were an implosion, as I believe it was, they would have been in the middle of an extremely strong magnetic field. It may have ripped a hole in the fabric of time. They may have landed near the remnants of the hatch after a short trip in some sort of limbo/time travel expierience.

By the way for those who are not aware, I'm sure that Locke was being sarcastic when he said to Paulikki "I'm suddenly feeling very stupid." (Or something like that). He is aware that you can observe the other hatches from there because of the trip he made there with Eko. They saw Jack in the Swan.

#274. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 3, 2006 8:24 PM

I do not think that the plane is some sort of creation of the island or Old Smokey. Remember, they burned the plane.

#275. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 3, 2006 8:41 PM

Agreed...the plane is not a smokey trick..the smoke monster prolly took his brothers body out of the plane. And the Yemi was the smoke monster it seems pretty obvious to me...he took the form of he could get a conffesion. Who wants to confess to a huge black smoke cloud but when eko decided he did nothing wrong..Yemi(aka the smoke monster) was really pissed and was like okay i thought u were a good man and ur not so im gonna turn into the smoke monster and kill you. Kind of weird that right after yemi walked away the smoke monster appeared...prolly cause Yemi was the smoke monster. ANY THOUGHTS

#276. Posted by: Evan at November 3, 2006 9:41 PM

If Smokey can take the shape of dead people, I wonder if the Others know this and that is why they burned Colleen's body instead of burying it. I am still wondering about Colleen's comment to Sun that Sun would not shoot her...that THEY (the Others) were not the enemy, but if she shot her, they'd be sorry."

Walt's stepfather told Michael that Walt's mother was concerned about some special power he had and that was why he was giving custody of Walt over to Michael after she died. (I mean, am I wrong, but hadn't he adopted Walt behind Michael's back?)That he was basically scared of Walt and his powers so was leaving town.

#277. Posted by: getlost! at November 3, 2006 10:16 PM

@ getlost!
Colleen only said that to Sun becouse thats what everyone says in shows when there trying to talk someone out of blowing out there brains. Its just a classic TV line.

#278. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 4, 2006 12:08 AM

Is it just me or has there never been a Kate flashback episode?
If there is please tell me cuz my memorie stinks.

#279. Posted by: kaseygirl at November 4, 2006 12:19 AM

Mr. Eko dead. What a bummer. I initially agreed with the posters who felt the "Tailies" were filler, but by the time I got to the end of this last prodigious comment board, I agree that they have all contributed to the stories. But I really want to know why Libby was in the nuthouse with Hurley. Maybe Desmond will at some point provide the answer. He did use her boat, after all!
As for Smokey, my guess is that there is some scientific basis (however skewed and goofy)for it's being on the island, as opposed to a more metaphysical reason. I think it's alive somehow, not just magic smoke, maybe some kind of weird exotic insect swarm (that's just a guess; don't jump all over me!) Also, I get the sense that there is more than one of these things, because the creature doesn't always act consistently. Sometimes it kills, sometimes it doesn't. Just a thought.

#280. Posted by: Derek at November 4, 2006 12:55 AM

~I used to live in Nigeria, with the Hausa people, and many times I could get by with using English.

~Ben was on the "healing" island the entire time he was held captive. I believe the tumor is gone. Jack will go to operate and there won't be anything there. Why else would Jack say, "I don't know how long ago those X-rays were taken, but..."

~Why wasn't Paulo super excited about using a real potty? After almost two months of using the jungle, shouldn't he have reacted to that? And where does Jack do his business in that little tank?

~If the directors wanted Paoliki to act any differently, they would be reshooting the scenes until they got the desired result. SO...don't blame them for doing what the directors want. (Though the obvious dubing as they were walking into the jungle was extremely annoying.)

#281. Posted by: cat1berry at November 4, 2006 3:33 AM

Say, Hey, Kaseygirl . . .

(whoops. Showing my age.)

The episode of Kate Flashbacks was entitled "What Kate Did" and it started off with Kate blowing up her mother's lover in a gas-filled house . . .

remember? . . .

#282. Posted by: Davidrh at November 4, 2006 7:20 AM

I haven't read any comments on here regarding the POST-Eko's death experience so I wanted to know what you all thought of this. After Eko dies, you see him being reunited with his brother. It occurs after he dies so it's not his last thoughts. He and his brother are children again (pure and without sin) and they are walking, hand in hand, towards the light. That is what the experience of near death was, as described by Locke but not what Eko has experienced before. So does that mean that in death, Eko is sanctified and is going to the same place that Yemi was going and that Yemi has waited for him as well?. Eko is the big brother again and protecting the little brother but walking into *insert name of favorite God/heaven/Nirvana/etc* here. Since Eko's life was a living hell anyway, perhaps we are viewing this whole experience backwards and only through death can they really achieve life? Is everyone going from hell to heaven while being purged of all their sins by being forced to confront them and is that the purpose of the smoke monster?

#283. Posted by: Debbie at November 4, 2006 7:32 AM

First time post here...great job Mac.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but I found a Lost Easter on another site where Libby is holding a glass eye while in the arrow station. Could this be a connection to the dude on the video?

Just a though.

Here is the link:

#284. Posted by: jt at November 4, 2006 8:36 AM

its not an easter egg...if u watcheed the second season and payed attention u would of remembered them fiding they eye.

#285. Posted by: evan at November 4, 2006 10:17 AM

its not an easter egg...if u watcheed the second season and payed attention u would of remembered them fiding they eye.

#286. Posted by: evan at November 4, 2006 10:18 AM

Two things I noticed about this week's episode that noone has picked up on:

1) I thought it was odd that Eko would rub mud and stones on his chest bandage while at the river. Seems like a great way to get an infected wound.
Not a big deal - just quite a weird thing to do IMHO.

2) The background of the video which Juliet showed Jack looks like the inside of one of the DharmaVille houses. This begs the question - when was the video made and why? Is it a reaction to recent events - Col being shot, Jack being called in to save her, Jack seeing the x-rays, Jack guessing they are Benry's - or was it part of the plan to break Jack from the outset?
My guess is that the video was made some time ago - I don't think that Juliet would have had time to go back to the main island (to DharmaVille) in order to film the video. I also think that Benry knows all about the video - Juliet's line about "well watch the film anyway and I'll just turn the sound down" would make Benry very suspicious of what was really being shown. The whole thing is a ploy to make sure Jack will try and save Benry when it comes to the op.

One other question - does anyone with ClosedCaption tv know what Eko's final words were? It didn't sound/lip read like "You're next".

Anyway, just my tuppence worth. I thought this week's episode was easily the best so far this season. Mac - great review as always.

#287. Posted by: Sunaholic at November 4, 2006 10:26 AM

I believe ben will not be killed. He has become a central figure in this show. He is as important as Locke, Kate,Jack ect. I love the possible reference to Juliet being bens "creator". The producers have left this show open for any theory to be applyed. I sometimes wonder if they keep changing the possible conclusion. Kind of a "wing it" or if the blogers figure it out then we will go in a different direction. Just a thought!!

#288. Posted by: dan at November 4, 2006 10:36 AM

@theduf...Again, thanks for taking the time to elaborate on your Smokey theory. I am beginning to see how it can manifest itself into shapes that resemble people, but I am not sure if I am on board with the "it can turn into tangible objects too" theory yet. Though I agree with you about the significance of Yemi's "plane" landing near the entrance to the Swan....

About the implosion/explosion question...maybe the writers are waiting to reveal what happened to Locke, Charlie, Des, and Eko right after the anomoly occured since there was the 24 hour missing time period between the occurence and seeing the characters again....This may explain why they landed in different places and some were lacking one of their senses?

#289. Posted by: Vikki at November 4, 2006 11:19 AM


you wanted suggestions for a show better or just as good as lost as far as action/drama. i would have to say babylon 5 and/or earth,final conflict the first few season. agree disagree??

#290. Posted by: tiffani at November 4, 2006 11:21 AM

Eko sed "John- i saw the devil"

#291. Posted by: maestr06 at November 4, 2006 12:20 PM

First: The Others who wore the protective suiting did so to protect themselves from being scanned by the Black Smoke.

Second: Ben cannot leave the Island because he is created by/manifestation of the Black Smoke. If he leaves the Island, he would disintegrate into nothing or lose his power.

Third: The Black Smoke made the plane crash (soft enough to save the people it wanted).

Fourth: Rousseau might be the key to saving the people. She is more knowledgable about the island and dangers than the others.

#292. Posted by: leah at November 4, 2006 12:33 PM

This will be my last post on this thread... promise...

Back in "?", Eko was supposed to interview a girl that died and came back to life. Once she tracked him down at the airport is when we should have known that Eko was going to be a goner. She told Eko that Yemmi was excited that they would be reunited again soon. At the time I thought she meant reunited physically on the island. She knew that Eko was going to die... I believe Eko knew it was his time as well.

It seems like they had Eko's story planned out very well.

#293. Posted by: middies at November 4, 2006 12:34 PM

@ davidrh
Thanks i must have missed that episode...

Somethings been bothering me
At Coleens funeral,they were wearing white. last time i checked, youre suposed to wear black...

#294. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 4, 2006 12:43 PM

Just wondering ....

Whadda ya think the odds are that a writer, director or producer of "Lost" has thrown his hat into the ring and is one of mac's blog posters?

There are many outstanding linguists posting here - maybe one of them works for the network.

Ok, which one of you is it?

As for Juliet's supposed lack of cooking, she may not know how to cook, but she knows what's cooking.

#295. Posted by: ButchM at November 4, 2006 1:18 PM

Can Juliet be trusted? Is she still working for Ben? How can Jack trust any of these people? If he wants to get out of there it looks like he has to trust someone. I don't believe Jack is the type to let a man die in surgery though. We'll have to see.

#296. Posted by: JunaD at November 4, 2006 2:05 PM

I just have to say that I do not like the smoke monster and have no interest in it at all. It just seems too supernatural and unrealistic. I was happy when it wasn't around for long periods of time, and I hope that since it has satisfied its deadly thirst it will go back to where it came from. I enjoy far more the creepy Others, the hatches, and the odd coincidences; however, the monster doesn't do it for me. Anyone agree? Or am I going to get a bunch of hate-emails now? :)

Now that that's said, I will go back to being my usual positive self.

#297. Posted by: meg at November 4, 2006 2:16 PM

@ meg

No hate mail here. I agree with you 100%. The smoke monster is far too unrealistic - like I'm really gonna believe that a huge wisp of black smoke picked up a guy and pitched him back and forth? Get real!

Give me more of Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Benry, Sun, Jin, Sayid and Benry - even Hurley (I have a huge TV).

I think Sawyer might be Kate's choice over Jack. Sawyer stares at her as if he'd like to take her to Florida to Tampa with her.

#298. Posted by: ButchM at November 4, 2006 2:26 PM

Mac: First time poster but have been reading reviews and comments since the start of season 2. You are great and I(along with everyone else here) really appreciate the insight you bring into each show. I dont consider Lost finished until i have read your review.

@Katie: I agree. Give Nicki/Paulo a chance. After all, they are only doing their best with the material they have been given. When you are only handed cheesy lines, I am sure it's hard to make them jawdropping. Hopefully the writers will give them something important and that will contribute to the development of the story soon.

One other thing: Why would Benry's Xrays still be out and lit for anyone to see that wandered by 90 days after they were taken? This seems very odd to me. One, Juliet wanted Jack to see them. Two, Juliet and Henry wanted Jack to see them. Three, they were fairly new Xrays and not the ones taken before the plane crashed. If it was only Juliet that planted the Xrays for Jack to see, if I were Henry I would be demanding to know why and who put them out in the open.

Any thoughts on whether Smokey would have killed Eko if he had repented?

Has anyone heard what the cliffhanger might involve next week?

Love this sight and everyones very intelligent thoughts.

#299. Posted by: craze4lost at November 4, 2006 3:56 PM

As I said in my previous post, I believe that Smokie puts everyone to test, but it has a rationale of it's own on what is good or bad.

If you ask me, Eko is totally justified for what he did throughout his life - and the fact that he became a criminal afterwards was forced by the circumstances in which he grew.

But, what Smokie wanted to hear, was a confession from Eko that would admit that so far he has been a bad person. In any case I think it would kill him (cause he had to leave the show :D )

Anyway I think that Smokie is trying to test Jack now by putting survival over medical ethics.

Dis actually say in his last words: "I saw the Devil?" as someone mentioned ina previous post?

#300. Posted by: ChrisG at November 4, 2006 5:24 PM

Just a thought (and forgive me if anyone's already mentioned this), but it struck me as odd that Yemi was playing with a ZIPO lighter before the hut went up in flames. Doesn't Charlie (who is sooo suspicious) play with a ZIPO?

#301. Posted by: JOSS at November 4, 2006 8:52 PM

Hi All,

interesting comments abound.

After the last ekisode I began to wonder if there is not a 'Land of the Lost' theme running through the island.

For those who don't know the show. I refer to 'things' just turning up eg balloons, scientists, ships etc (and planes!). Presence of ancient society's eg the foot etc.

I will take a punt and say that it is the same 'time' for everyone on the island but I am curious about the pretty good shape the 'Black Rock' was in and that the dynamite was still ok (even if sweating).

On an aside, there have been other 'Others' on the island. The US/Australian army guys, the people who built 'Big Foot', (unless McSmoker built it), the balloon dead people etcetera.

Can someone explain what the two island thing is about? I missed that point. I know that Ben showed Sawyer but which island are they on.

Also, I know that it is only a TV show (sorry) but hasn't ANYONE had the gumption to go truly exploring the island? I would go crazy playing 'Pleasantville' on the beach.

Lastly but not sleestakly for those challenged by spelling Firefox 2.0 spell checks forms now.


#302. Posted by: Sleestak at November 4, 2006 9:05 PM

@ Dana
@ Mac

"If Mac decides to keep the board open while the show is off air maybe we can pose and/or vote for the top 50 unanswered questions."

Dana- I'm so there. I went through withdrawls all summer....rocking back and forth in the fetal position, sucking my thumb and whimpering for 4 looong months. It's like crack....and I just can't do it alone. What do you say Mac?

#303. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 4, 2006 10:33 PM

Everyone. Go to the ABC “Lost” Site. There is a clip from next week’s show where Juliette brings Kate to see Jack. It goes from heartwarmingly poignant to terrifying angry in about 20 seconds. It is a must see......

#304. Posted by: Davidrh at November 4, 2006 10:47 PM


The writer's may have said no to the Purgatory theory but I like the idea of the angels being banished from the heavens. The different perspectives Juliet and Ben have, the fact that Juliet keeps talking about free will, and the time when she read about Jack's life like an angel passing judgement gives her a certain Lucifer vibe. I'm probably totally wrong of course but I love how this show allows you to draw such paralels even if they're unintentional.

#305. Posted by: zakzooey at November 4, 2006 11:39 PM


>No hate mail here. I agree with you 100%. The smoke monster is far too unrealistic - like I'm really gonna believe that a huge wisp of black smoke picked up a guy and pitched him back and forth? Get real!

The only way I can imagine this happening is if Smokey is a cloud of nanomachines. Not within current technology, but a conceivable extrapolation that the secret Dharma researchers might have developed. However the writers have specifically said this is not the case. So their resolution of this issue will have a lot to do with my long-term appreciation of the series.

#306. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 4, 2006 11:56 PM

a few general questions...

how is hurley still fat?

what happend to the dog?

#307. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 5, 2006 1:10 AM

Whoa! More than 300 we're gonna need a bigger boat, indeed!

#308. Posted by: Mj at November 5, 2006 9:22 AM


Great call- it's worth a sneak-peek!

#309. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 5, 2006 9:22 AM

Every time that nun sternly admonished Eko to "Confess", I kept expecting Michael Palin to burst through the side door and shout "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! Confess! Fetch the soft cushions!"

#310. Posted by: norockets at November 5, 2006 9:45 AM

In the interim, before the next show (or the last of the mini-season) I thought I'd throw out a topic for discussion.

I think that the writers of the show choose the actor's expressions, vocabulary, and actions VERY deliberately, and we have seen that seemingly inocuous details come back to become startling revelations in the end.

That being said, and the meticulous detail which goes into all of these shows, I'd like to know what you all think of the show being titled "Lost."

Obviously, we can explain how the title refers to the plane being lost at sea... but I think many will agree that such a topical answer would be unlike the writers who delve into so much depth and layout so many plot details.

Any thoughts?

#311. Posted by: Illusivemuse at November 5, 2006 9:46 AM

Two Issues:
1. If I were Ben, and wanted Jack to operate on me, I'd be afraid that he'll decide to kill me all by himself.

To overcome that problem, I'd ask Juliet to ask Jack to kill Ben, and then just before the operation prove to him somehow that Juliet is actually Evil (By , for example, letting Sawyer tell him that). Now Jack CAN'T kill Ben because that's what "evil Juliet" wants.

2. Another thing is to esatablish the reward credibility. Ben promises Jack he'll go back home. To prove it, Ben releases Michael and Walt because he "stands up to his promises". Or does he?

I suspect that we haven't seen Michael or Walt because they were re-captured shortly after their departure by the Submarine, and they're being held not far from Jack and the Gang.

Double incentive for Jack for not killing Ben.

#312. Posted by: Eliram at November 5, 2006 10:15 AM

@ Cecil Rose
>So their resolution of this issue will have a lot to do with my long-term appreciation of the series. (re" Smokey)

Thank you, I think that's what I was thinking without really thinking. Your comment is so true about just not Smokey, but many other issues as well. Let's see what the resolutions are.

@ Kaseygirl
>how is hurley still fat?

Shouldn't that be, "How fat IS Hurley?"

@ Illusivemuse
>I'd like to know what you all think of the show being titled "Lost."

How about:

"Not Found"
"Smokey and the Polar Bears" (my personal favorite)
"Boss, boss, da plane, da plane, it's gone, it's gone."
"Backstories r Us"
"Sane Doctor Goes Wacky, Then Becomes Sane Again."
"It's a Lock(e)"
"I hear your Eko, but ..."
"Blost" or "Blogst"(that's Blog and Lost)
"Survivor" (oops, we already have that one)

@ Eliram
>I suspect that we haven't seen Michael or Walt because they were re-captured shortly after their departure by the Submarine, and they're being held not far from Jack and the Gang.

Let's hope so! Then there would be at least the possibility that the Losties can get their hands on the evil Michael, grind him into a bazillion pieces, and let the slimming Hurley eat his remains.

@ iheartsawyer

Sorry, then there would be no more Jorge to hug :>)

#313. Posted by: ButchM at November 5, 2006 11:08 AM

When ekonomore said no one reads long posts, I think what he/she really meant to say was perhaps when we post a long one, we should use more paragraphs. I love the long posts as they are always interesting and informative, but they are definitely easier to read when the paragraphs are shorter.

Just a thought ...

#314. Posted by: ButchM at November 5, 2006 11:21 AM

ooook! I already posted this week, but this just came into my head...

So there's been talk that Smokey can Shapeshift... now how about this... i'm going to sound cerazy but...

What if Rousseau IS Smokey??????

I'll let you all think about that one.

#315. Posted by: Sierra at November 5, 2006 11:32 AM


Regarding your theory about cloning on the island... If Walt was a clone, then Michael might realize somewhere on the trip back to "civilization" that he has the wrong Walt and head back to rescue the "real" Walt and while he's there the rest of the "remaining" Losties.

#316. Posted by: Zapper at November 5, 2006 12:39 PM

My two cents on Juliette, and then Paulikki...
(Yikes - this turned out LONG!!!)

re: Juliette

She is a very likable character, but I can't help but shake off the idea that she is very dangerous, which is the impression she has given me since S3e1. She is clearly inteligent - remember all the otheresque mind games she has played with Jack? I also felt that she was very calculative.

While it has been nice to see Jack "regain ground" as a character, I just can't help but think that the Others had forseen this as a necessity to further their own aims. I guess I'm just not certain that I buy this "Whoops - I left the x-rays out in the open" story. I suspect that Juliette foresaw Jack's exposure to the X-rays, and used it as an opportunity to launch her schemes against Benry.

re: Paulikki

Like most people, I found myself annoyed at these two characters, as they seemed mega-useless. In some ways, my mindset has changed.

Firstly - As has been suggested by some - give them time! No doubt, the writers planned long in advance that they would only show 6 episodes, so I imagine they were trying to focus on key characters and key events. No doubt, at this point, it would be idiotic to give any backstory on Paulikki. Without backstory, it is hard to get a feel for who they really are.

For me - these characters give some good insight on the thoughts and feelings of all the unknown remaining survivors - the "not in" crowd. How do they react to all the wierd things that have been going on? And yes, it also serves as a writing device to help new viewers remember past events.

You have to keep in mind that the majority of Lost viewers limit their relationship to the TV, and do not read blogs or episode recaps. I imagine that it is much easier for the casual viewer to get confused (though I can see how it is even more confusing when you overanalyze many things).

I just wish the writers would be a little more realisitc! When passing by the crashed plane, instead of Nikki casually passing on the info about Eko's dead brother, how about a more realistic reaction?

Her reaction should be more on the lines of "Holy shit! Are you telling me that his brothers plane crashed here, and then later, our plane crashed here too? What are the odds? That is so ^&@*ed up!"

I also could see how Locke would overlook multiple hatch communication. His ego took a huge blow when he was lead to believe that his button pushing was all but a ruse. From his various backstories, it is clear that Locke has been screwed over many times, and he does not react well to it. Hence, I can believe that he overlooked this, and genuinely felt stupid about it.

In any case - I really liked Paulo for his "Deuce dropping" (nice Mac) in the Pearl. Think about it - Since the crash, where have the survivors been "relieving" themselves? My guess would be that they have, at the least, created some kind of an outhouse-eque type of structure, or a designated relief area. Otherwise, if everyone went to random areas, you'd have a lot of nasty stuff around the perimeter of the camp.

When the hatch was discovered, I would have thought that most would have gone there to, at the least, check out the bathroom. With it destroyed - it was back to outdoor defication for everyone.

So while at the Pearl, while everyone else was busy checking all sorts of other things, Paulo heads off to drop some anchor on an actual toilet. I guess I respect it because I know it would be one of the most essential "creature comforts" that I would miss if I were in their shoes ("2 months +" away from indoor plumbing).

Paulo seems kinda indifferent - kinda slackeresque. Clearly, he resented being an "out" castaway instead of an "in", though while given the opportunity to join the "ins", he really isn't putting in that much of an effort. Were it not for Nikki, he wouldn't have even gone out to see the Pearl.

Anyways - my point in all of this is to give them time. You can't expect every character to have a Jesus Stick!

#317. Posted by: Shikotee at November 5, 2006 1:18 PM

@ Sierra - Why did you have to go and say that Rousseau may be Smokey? Don't you know that I am confused enough?

#318. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 5, 2006 4:13 PM

Here is something that I think many people have over looked. When Benry said to Juliette "Why did you tell him those were my X-rays"? Then she replied "I didn't, but I guess you did."

Think about that interaction there. It is almost as if the writers are using that as a plot tool to tell the audience that, Benry, does not actually hear and see all.

#319. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 5, 2006 4:24 PM

Rousseau flashbacks - I demand some Rousseau flashbacks!
Hey, if the writers actually read these blogs I feel as if I need to give some input.

Benry flashbacks as well! But, if they give us Nikki/Paulo flashbacks that will be the signal that the show is going down.

#320. Posted by: meg at November 5, 2006 5:10 PM

Here, here! I also demand some Rousseau flashbacks. Flashbacks! Flashbacks! Flashbacks! Sorry.

#321. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 5, 2006 5:13 PM

Question about island healing...

Other than Locke's legs and Roses' cancer, what further proof is there that the island actually heals people? I thought there were others, but can't remember now.

re: Locke's legs

Well - we do not know at all why Locke was in a wheelchair, though rumour is we will find out this season. I think once we have more insight towards the cause of his disability, we will then be better suited towards determining whether his recovery was a miracle.

re: Roses' Cancer

Could it be possible that Roses' healing is psychological? How does she know, from a medical perspective, that she is doing better?

If there is anyone who can remember particulars about this, I would love to hear.

re: Island healing

If Benry really has a tumour, why has he not been healing? This either proves that the island healing powers are a misunderstanding, or that Benry is faking having a tumour. Which is it?

If the island does indeed have the power to heal, why is the mojo not working for Benry? Is it because he spends all that time on Alcatraz II instead of the main island? Perhaps the healing thing is short term, and after prolonged exposure to the island, it looses effect?

If anyone has thoughts on Island healing Mojo, please share them!

#322. Posted by: Shikotee at November 5, 2006 7:39 PM

When Benry was caught in Danielle's net, could he have been on his way to the Losties camp to get Locke to bring him back in order to have someone to "trade" for Jack et al. He did mention at one point during his capture that he had come for Locke (but then he wasn't on the List). This could be because he would not be needed any longer... they got Jack another way.
What do you think?

#323. Posted by: Erin at November 5, 2006 7:46 PM

Rousseau and Benry flashbacks would be sweet, but I think we will only get those much later on.

I think there is something fishy with Rousseau (is she perhaps tied with this 2nd others group?), but I just can't put my finger on why. Whoever mentioned the Rousseau/Smokey idea - sounds interesting!

And if Benry has been born and raised on y'olde isle, I would guess that his flashbacks would reveal quite alot about the "Others". I guess it all depends on when the writers will reveal that info.

#324. Posted by: Shikotee at November 5, 2006 7:51 PM


It is hard to determine if you can believe anything Benry has to say. If you believe that Juliet was sincere in her card-communication with Jack, then you have to heed her warning: "Ben is a liar. And he is very dangerous."

Back in the hatch, Ben could have totally been playing Locke. If anything, I think Benry was on his way to find Jack, after finding out he was a spinal doctor. Ben does not seem like the kinda guy who would trust anyone else to take care of a matter that is so crucial.

#325. Posted by: Shikotee at November 5, 2006 8:04 PM

I can't wait for Wed's episode, although at the same time knowing that it'll be the last episode for quite a while (a lifetime it'll seem). Also knowing that they'll leave us with some crazy cliffhanger for everyone to knaw on for weeks and weeks.
I don't remember who posted it, but I also agree that Benry can't possibly be killed at this point-- he's become too much a part of the story lines. Too much to be just a part of it by flashbacks, etc if he is killed. So, I don't think that'll happen, at least not yet.

#326. Posted by: Erin at November 5, 2006 8:22 PM

Regarding Benry's X-rays being on the light box: Suppose that Juliet, being a doctor (of some sort), had been doing an exam on Benry. This would explain why Juliet was in doctor-ish clothes & had Benry's X-rays up. Word comes in that Colleen's been shot & is in a bad way. Everything is dropped in the rush to get to Colleen & get her back to the medical facility; hence the forgotten X-rays. That's the sort of thing that will immediately catch Jack's attention, but it wasn't until then that Juliet realized that the X-rays had been left where Jack could see them.

Of course, Juliet could have easily put them out deliberately & had a plan to "accidentally" have Jack see them; her plan was superseded by Colleen's injury.

I'm not convinced that Juliet is fomenting a rebellion against Benry—her trustworthiness is pretty low, in my opinion. The whole stunt w/the flashcards on the video is just the sort of thing that the Others are very good at pulling—overly elaborate & intended to mislead. Are there any lyrics in "Subterranean Homesick Blues" that we should be looking at for meaning? (I'm not a Dylan fan...)

#327. Posted by: Alais_Longthought at November 5, 2006 9:08 PM

Guys..its pretty obvious the smoke can shape lift. it seems like a given. Rouseuo FLASHBACKSSSS I AGREEEEE....i heard episode 7 is called not in portland and its a juliet centric episode. ooooooooooooooooo snap

#328. Posted by: Evan at November 5, 2006 11:32 PM

Jack is not going to kill Benry. He won't go against the code of being a doctor. It's not in him.

#329. Posted by: schiano at November 6, 2006 1:13 AM

Here's my latest theory…

The island is alive. Think Frankenstein. Some sort of science experiment gone wrong, or maybe it went right, who knows. A huge blast of Hanso-induced electro-magnetic or maybe even nuclear energy (like the lightning bolt that brought Frankenstein's monster to life or the A-bombs for Godzilla). The writers can make up anything - it's called Suspension of Disbelief. And when the island decides to go walkies, it uses the one thing at its disposal that is light, malleable and plentiful. I've never seen it, but I understand there are islands in the South Pacific that have black sandy beaches. I am now convinced that Smokey is made of black sand. And maybe that's why most of the images created by Smokey are mostly black - Kate's horse, Jack's dad (black suit), Yemi (black suit), the black rock, the black ship, etc. No racial overtones implied or intended. And since the island now has sentience and it can't pick wildflowers with little blond girls in lederhosen, it goes after whatever companionship is available. And once it brings people to its bosom, it never lets them go. To borrow a line from a previous post, "It hugs them and loves them and calls them Jorge."

This came to me while I was in the shower so it must be true. So please find the holes in my argument and tell me why I'm wrong.

#330. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 6, 2006 9:19 AM

I watched the sneak peak for this week's episode and I've got to say I am loving the new attitude Jack has. For a while he was such a sissy it made me cringe and it's good to see him fighting back. At this point, I don't think his oath as a doctor will supercede his survival instinct and I think he will do whatever he thinks he needs to do to secure his release. Of course, the Others could still be playing him like a fiddle but that's not a character flaw. CWFW. (Can't wait for Wednesday!!)

#331. Posted by: El at November 6, 2006 9:58 AM

This has really been bugging me, and I'm gonna go back and listen again. But when Benry says to Juliette "Why did you tell him those were my X-rays"? Then she replied "I didn't, but I guess you did." I really think this means the x-rays were NOT his, but Benry's plan is to make Jack think they are his. Now, they can test Jack and let him operate on an other Other, not Ben. Easily accomplished by having the patient face down when Jack comes in the operating room (since he has to operate on the spine). Then, depending on the outcome they can decide is Jack trustworthy? If so, to whom - Benry or Juliet? In either case, he passes the test if the patient lives and Benry doesn't put his life on the line... I think Benry had Juliet do the little "don't listen to me but read the cards" trick as a set up. Benry and Juliet - Ozzy and Harriet of EEEVVIIILLLL!

#332. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 6, 2006 10:30 AM

I soooooo badly want to know what the hell ol smokey is! Perhaps he is the reason the "others" live on the other island?

thanks mac for the write up and greetings from South Africa!

#333. Posted by: Damien at November 6, 2006 11:24 AM


I do not wish to appear pompous or rude but...Actually, I am a doctor and while the symptoms you personally describe can have a number of explanations (for example, multilevel disc disease, muscle spasms)generally speaking when a specific vertebra is involved it will present with symptoms specific to that level especially if there is involvement of the nerve roots or spinal chord. This is similar to when someone suffers paralysis (this is the primary concern with bone mets to the spine)below the affected spinal level.
Now here is an interesting thought. Could the X-rays really belong to Locke?

#334. Posted by: gables79 at November 6, 2006 12:40 PM

I think Julievilette is still in cahoots with Benry in someway. The writers made it a point for Benry to let Sawyer know what great conners they are, and I think Julievilette and Benry are conning Jack with the handwritten signs. Not sure how it'll all play out, but I don't think Julievilette has any plans to get rid of Benry. It's all part of the Others' grand scheme.

#335. Posted by: JoePike at November 6, 2006 12:59 PM

Hurley still fat + Dog missing = Hurley ate Vincent.

#336. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at November 6, 2006 1:10 PM

Rumour has it that an upcoming flashback episode will be based on Paulikki. The twist is that the flashback will take place on the island - ie the events of the island from the "OUTS" perspective. More importantly, it provides the writers the opportunity to use dead characters - let's hope they take advantage of that!

#337. Posted by: Shikotee at November 6, 2006 3:09 PM

@ Batteries Included

What if they give us Rousseau flashbacks BUT batteries are not included. Perish the thought!

@ Shikotee

(1) Your long post was most enjoyable - it was the paragraphs, thanks for doing that.
(2)You're right about Benry - if he was indeed raised on the island, his flashbacks would be the most interesting.

@ Alais_Longthought
You are one of the few people on Earth who knows how to spell "supersede."

@ ransomjackson

Very interesting theory, you should take more showers.

To all - I think Rousseau is living on a third island with Robinson Crusoe.

#338. Posted by: ButchM at November 6, 2006 3:14 PM

OK, a couple things I've been thinking about-
1. I don't think the others burned Colleen's body for fear of the smoke monster. The prevailing theory is that the smoke monster took Yemi's body in order to transform into it. If that were the case, it would have to have taken it *after* Eko burned the plane and his brothers body. I also don't believe the smoke is the plane. If it were, how did Charlie amass a huge drug stockpile?
2. Concerning Benry's Tumor-yes, the island does have healing powers, at least till some extant. But if Benry has been on the island his whole life, maybe he has a type of Caner that the island cannot cure. Or, perhaps that is why he cannot leave-if he were without the island's healing powers, maybe he knows his cancer would be MUCH worse on the outside world
3. As for Benry being one of Juliet's experiments with fertilaty and cloning, she either hides her age REALLY well or is part of Dahrma's aging program.
4. If the other island is really 2x the size of Alcatraz, then it is still quite small, just shy of 38 acres. I have trouble beliving that they can have a full blown reasearch lab, complete with aquirium and bear cages, a full med station, some type of housing, AND room for the new subdivision Kate and Sawyer are helping build.
Personally, I would rather see a flashback with Benry then the new filler eye-candy. It would shed alot of information on the history of the island, if in fact he has been there is whole life.
I have a feeling the surgery will be this weeks cliffhanger. We'll see Benry get drugged up and put on the table and then the show will end, and we'll have months to discuss what we think the outcome is...
Course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

#339. Posted by: dobber at November 6, 2006 3:49 PM

Oops, guess I can't count...

#340. Posted by: dobber at November 6, 2006 3:57 PM


Hey, I think I can explain why the island hasn't healed Ben. All the regular readers to this post have seen this explanation before so please feel free to skip ahead to the next post.

The reason Ben hasn't been healed is possibly explained back in S2, the episode titled S.O.S. In that episode we learned that Rose had terminal cancer. Bernard, intent on saving the love of his life, takes Rose to Australia. She thinks they're on their honeymoon, but Bernard has made an appointment with Isaac of Uluuru (hope I spelled it right). Isaac is a faith healer in the Australian outback.

Long story short, he tells Rose he can't heal her. That his place on the earth, i.e.: his home in Australia, isn't the right place for Rose to be healed. He explains to her how there are places on the earth were the magnetic properties can be harnessed to heal folks. Different places work for different folks. Hence the island is the right place for Rose and Locke and (?)Jin to heal but others could die from a scratch. The island is just not the right place to heal Ben.

Hope that explanation helps.

#341. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 6, 2006 4:11 PM

@ dobber
@ Shikotee

I agree that Benry's flashback would be the most interesting, but the scenario that "Shikotee" laid out is interesting too - she said that flashbacks from the new filler eye-candy would provide info from their perspective.

That would give us a chance to know them and at the same time, see what they were up to when everything was happening.

#342. Posted by: ButchM at November 6, 2006 5:21 PM

@ Crispy Seaplanes
>Hurley still fat + Dog missing = Hurley ate Vincent.

You da man!

#343. Posted by: ButchM at November 6, 2006 5:25 PM

Loved your comments

Also, given:
Juliet is a fertility doctor
Ben is dying
Kate has been "hurt" by them (bloody wrists after Benry breakfast, and ABC preview)
What if... Juliet has made Kate pregnant by Benry thru artifical insemination, or something...

Also, Ben did tell Kate it would be a difficult 2 weeks, so there is/was some sort of plan.

#344. Posted by: lost chao at November 6, 2006 5:27 PM

The season isnt over!!!!!!!!!!
Its a FALL finale!!!!!!

Vote for forever_lost on the caption!

Im Kaseygirl and i aprove this mesage.

#345. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 6, 2006 8:44 PM

@Mr. Grimm

Thanks for the explanation/reminder.

I wonder what the implications are with the Hatch imploding - is the magnetic anomoly as is, or has it changed now that the numbers are no longer keyed in.

It will be interesting to find out what put Locke into a chair, to get a better grasp of how uber cool the healing was. But this makes me wonder - what happened to the healing magnetic properties during the episode where Boone died? If memory serves me correct, did Locke not briefly loose his ability to walk? Can anyone remember if this has happened in other episodes?

#346. Posted by: Shikotee at November 6, 2006 10:53 PM

@ Shikotee:

You're right, when Boone climbed up to get into the Beechcraft it was because Locke had mysteriously lost the ability to walk. Well, not exactly, but he was losing the feeling in his legs and his knees were buckling out from under him.

That always bothered me. Did that episode try to tell us that the island is a conscious entity and it (the island) made a conscious choice to retract whatever healing it (the island) gave Locke because it (the island) knew that if he went up the plane would crash down and anyone inside would die? That would mean that the island is a sentient being and it wanted to save Locke for some future purpose. I don't know. Could the island somehow be alive? Locke is always refering to his "speaking" with the island, he said that Boone was a "sacrafice the island demanded". Is it possible that Locke, on a subconcious level, knows more about the island than he is letting on?

Soooooo many questions, never enough answers. Then again it could have all happened that way because that is how they wrote the script. J/K. We may never know why Locke lost the ability to walk at that moment, but it probably saved his life.

#347. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 7, 2006 7:26 AM

Eliram wrote:

"1. If I were Ben, and wanted Jack to operate on me, I'd be afraid that he'll decide to kill me all by himself.

To overcome that problem, I'd ask Juliet to ask Jack to kill Ben, and then just before the operation prove to him somehow that Juliet is actually Evil (By , for example, letting Sawyer tell him that). Now Jack CAN'T kill Ben because that's what "evil Juliet" wants."

PERFECT! I'm convinced that Julievilette and Benry are conning Jack to ensure Jack won't deliberately kill him on the operating table and that's how they're doing it.

My only doubt stems from the private little exchange of words Ben & Juliette had about the we could be wrong and Juliette could really be attempting an Other Coup.

#348. Posted by: JoePike at November 7, 2006 8:27 AM

Okay, just one more theory...

Benry will die.

Jack will operate, and the operation will be a success because this is Jack we're talking about.

After the operation, Juliet will see to it that Benry takes the Big Wet Nap. She will make it appear that Benry did not survive the operation so that all of the Others and even Jack will not know the truth. Anyone care for a little coup d'etat with your hamburger and fries?

Juliet is quickly becoming my favorite evil character. All she needs is some fava beans and a nice chianti. God I hope they don't nice her up.

#349. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 7, 2006 9:02 AM

Ben told jack he wants Jack to "WANT" to help save his life, so maybe Juliette's message on the VHS tape is a kind of test to see if Jack WANTS to help Ben or not.

#350. Posted by: Damien at November 7, 2006 9:08 AM

so many interesting theories and so little time, if only you guys were the writers.

cant wait till tomorrow.

#351. Posted by: tiffani at November 7, 2006 9:38 AM

I love the recaps and discussions and finally decided to join in. One thing that has been bothering me. No one told Jack the tumor was Ben's until after Jack assumed it was. In the conversation between Juliette and Ben, he asks why she told him the tumor was his. She says he must have told Jack. It seems like they were both surprised to find out Jack thinks the tumor is Ben's. I think they just went with the idea after Jack's comment. The person Jack will operate on won't be Ben, but Jack won't know that. But, I'm probably way off.

#352. Posted by: mr. h at November 7, 2006 9:55 AM

love the recap.
has anyone thought abot the first episode of the season when they are at Juliette's house and they're having some sort of book club meeting... and someone says to her something like does Ben approve of this one?, Why isn't he at this meeting etc? Wasn't that showing us that she has previous issues with him?
As well, I am not quite sure that we can assume that they let Michael off the island. In fact, I strongly believe that he is still stuck there, considering the dislike that the others have for bad people.
My last comment is about Russeau. Didn't she talk to Sayid about the people from HER plane crash and how they all got sick? Is she the last survivor of that group? or are the remnants a group of 'other' others?
just wondering

#353. Posted by: enjomamma at November 7, 2006 10:22 AM

@mr. H

Actually, if memory serves, at the funeral for Colleen, Ben asks Juliet why she told Jack about his X-rays, she replied that she hadn't, but that he must have. Then the scene when Ben is talking to Jack and confesses to him about how he had an elaborate plan to get Jack to want to help Ben. This all leads me to believe that the X-rays are Ben's.

However, the writers and creators of the show have hoodwinked us before. Don't be surprised if this is an elaborate ruse. The x-rays may belong to "Him", the top dog, the ultimate Other.

Of course I could be wrong, because the promo for tomorrow's episode does show Ben with oxygen tubes in his nostril as he starts to lay down face first. I think Ben is a little nuts, but I don't think he'd let Jack cut into him if he didn't have a tumor.

#354. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 7, 2006 10:27 AM


Rousseau wasn't on a plane. She, and her team, were on a ship that crashed and sank when they picked up the "numbers" transmission on their radio and went to investigate.

#355. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 7, 2006 10:31 AM

I was just remembering how all the tubes in the pearl station ended up in a big pile on the island...

I believe we'll find out in the next episode that the plumbing in the pearl hatch has a similar function..

..and we'll be reuinited with the deuce Paulo was kind enough to leave there!!

#356. Posted by: vacc at November 7, 2006 10:39 AM



#357. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 7, 2006 10:42 AM

@ mr. h

I agree w/you about the x-rays. Here was an earlier post of mine:

"This has really been bugging me, and I'm gonna go back and listen again. But when Benry says to Juliette "Why did you tell him those were my X-rays"? Then she replied "I didn't, but I guess you did." I really think this means the x-rays were NOT his, but Benry's plan is to make Jack think they are his. Now, they can test Jack and let him operate on an other Other, not Ben. Easily accomplished by having the patient face down when Jack comes in the operating room (since he has to operate on the spine). Then, depending on the outcome they can decide is Jack trustworthy? If so, to whom - Benry or Juliet? In either case, he passes the test if the patient lives and Benry doesn't put his life on the line... I think Benry had Juliet do the little "don't listen to me but read the cards" trick as a set up. Benry and Juliet - Ozzy and Harriet of EEEVVIIILLLL!"

Is that what you were thinking Mr. h?

#358. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 7, 2006 11:01 AM

Hi guys,

Just wanted to let you all know that Lost Blog regular Cecil Rose has compiled an exhaustive recap of the Lost Experience. You can read it here:

Thanks Cecil!

-- mac

#359. Posted by: mac at November 7, 2006 1:28 PM

So many great theories on everything.
Wednesday is going to be awesome.

Here is something I was thinking about the Hatch Implosion/Explosiong thingy.
Correct me if I am wrong, but if you have something the size of the hatch, and it suddently implodes, maybe the force of all the walls crushing together makes all the air inside the hatch forcibly expel from the hatches and that is what threw everyone out, and made the hatch lid fly up into the air.

#360. Posted by: Zeppo at November 7, 2006 3:13 PM

I guess we officially replaced 'Bactstory' with 'Flashback'! Why?

#361. Posted by: DonnaD at November 7, 2006 4:01 PM

i absolutely loved lost season 2 !! correct me if anyone else believes otherwise, but i think eko is going to die. not sure when, but what made this apparent to me was when locke was filling out the crossword puzzle.. he filled in gilgamesh .. gilgamesh is a charater in the mespotamian stories who was a superhuman (almost similar to how locke is on the island, considering he can walk now). gilgamesh then meets one similar to himself, ekidnu. they battle, but then later on become the best of friends. they then battle MONSTERs. the gods become enraged and ekidnu gets killed. i dont want to get too into detail with the gilgamesh story however. isnt it funny how locke also "battled" the islands monster. there was only one other person who has face-offed with the monster and who is coincidently similar to locke (in terms of faith). this character is supposed to represent the ekidnu in the gilgamesh story. who is he? none other than mr. EKO .. ekidnu? EKO? i deno .. kindah popped out at me . =)
-- Posted by: julian at September 3, 2006 09:54 PM

That might be boone though
-- Posted by: maestro at September 4, 2006 11:42 AM

and what maestro?!

#362. Posted by: julian at November 7, 2006 5:13 PM

@ Zeppo

You may be onto something when you say the force of all the walls crushing together makes all the air inside the hatch forcibly expel from the hatches and that is what threw everyone out.

Give my regards to Groucho and Harpo :>)

#363. Posted by: ButchM at November 7, 2006 5:39 PM

the word hence is realy starting to get on my nerves... every other word is hence blah blah blah

the flashbacks make up the backstory so its meanig is pretty much the same..and yes its oficaly flashback.

#364. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 7, 2006 9:10 PM

@DonnaD &

Can't wait for tomorrow nights' Kate "flashbacks"...T-minus 23 hours and counting!

#365. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 7, 2006 9:46 PM

ok i have got a couple of things to contribute so :

1. in the episode the other 48 days cindy says that the plane was flying in the wrong direction for 2 HOURS now you would think that the amount of electromagnetism that pulled the plane towards the island from 2 hours away would have moved the other hatches around not to mention destroy the others houses. the first episode of season 2 locke says to kate that 5 hours ago he was pulled into a hole by a column of black smoke but in this episode he says that he saw a bright light.

3. i think desmond developed his 'powers' because he was sitting directly over the failsafe when he turned the key

could somebody please reply because these things are really starting to bother me

#366. Posted by: thomas elliott at November 8, 2006 12:59 AM

thomas elliott the first episode of season 2 locke says to kate that 5 hours ago he was pulled into a hole by a column of black smoke but in this episode he says that he saw a bright light

Locke has met up with Smokey twice. I believe the first time it was in season 1 and that time he said he saw something beautiful (bright light).
The second time he was dragged by it into a hole. He wanted Jack to let him go. (with smokey into the hole)

#367. Posted by: Bob at November 8, 2006 6:03 AM

@ Thomas Elliott - I do not think that the plane was being pulled from two hours away. If that was the case then there should be more planes and even ships crashed on the island. I believe that it was God ( or fate if that suits you better ) that brought the plane towards the island and also had Desmond follow Kalvin so that he would be away from the button so the magnetic field would bring the plane down when it got close enough to the island.

#368. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 8, 2006 7:53 AM

@Batteries included - Your comment about Rousseau flashbacks where batteries are included is permanently etched in my mind (as well as the pit of my stomach). I will never be able to watch a scene with her again without that (ick!) mental picture. Bad, bad Mr. Battery.

You are banished to the bottom of the escalator - or was it stairs??

#369. Posted by: meg at November 8, 2006 9:50 AM

Hey guys -

I haven't made it through all the posts, but I think this is a new and current interview. Check out this link: You'll have to scroll down some to find the part about Lost, but it's questions answered by the creators and there is a LOT of info in there as to the time frame of when we will find things out.

All good things to those who wait (but at least now we know how long we'll have to wait for some of the answers.) One thing they specifically mentioned is that Michael & Walt are not gone forever. What happens to them will eventually be revealed.


#370. Posted by: hookedonlost at November 8, 2006 1:13 PM

Meg, I am not the one that made the "her batteries are included" remark. Though I am sorry that it was not a PLEASUREable experience.

#371. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 8, 2006 1:19 PM

By the way it was ButchM that made the remark. It was on 11/6/06 3:14pm. I guess that I am slow because I did catch the inuendo. In hindsight, I laugh and cry at the comment.

Keep up the good work ButchM.

#372. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 8, 2006 1:25 PM

@ meg

I fess up - it was me who made the batteries comment. I now lie at the bottom of the escalator much like Locke did, and I am unable to climb to the top - BUT I can see you up there meg. Help me, please. Lower your Jesus (strike that) meg stick down so I can grab on to it.

Hey girl, that us a nice thought actually that you made - everytime I see Rousseau from now on, I will join you and think that she is running by batteries.

@ Batteries Included

Thanks for the compliment. I might say that your posts are always entertaining.

@ kaseygirl

We are a people of few words, hence we use some of them over again (sorry, you set me up for that one) :>)

TGIF, indeed!

#373. Posted by: ButchM at November 8, 2006 2:34 PM

Hey, everyone. This is just a suggestion, but can we start using "Ben" and not "Benry" to refer to Ben/Henry Gale? The name "Benry" is really getting on my nerves!

Love ya! Mean it!

#374. Posted by: Amanda S. at November 8, 2006 4:01 PM

@ hookedonlost - Thank you!! The link you provided was a fantastic interview. Lots of information. One thing I found interesting is the cliff-hanger tonight will probably make all of us shout "WTF? How can they leave us hanging like that?!" Looking forward to it! Also looking forward to Mac's review and all you regulars' postings. (Okay, so I'm not an English teacher, "hence" I'm not sure if "regulars' postings" is even near correct...)

#375. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 8, 2006 4:15 PM

@ BunnyLover:

Interesting comment - I'm in agreement with your description on potential screenplay and the possibility that Ben and Juliette may actaully be more aligned that the writers may have shown (so far) when it all boils down to specifics of (let us say) planning a ruse.

By-the-way has anyone else considered that Ben and Juliette may actually be siblings (and not a couple perhaps) ... just something that continues to puzzle me.

@ All: enjoy tonight !

#376. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at November 8, 2006 5:10 PM


Great link! Dropping clues all over the place, yet keeping us up in the air... I especially liked their ambiguity about what really happened at the hatch and how they would show it in a flashback/flashforward/flashsideways. Makes ya wonder...
Only 3+ hours.

#377. Posted by: lost chao at November 8, 2006 5:34 PM

No way is Kate gonna get dirty with Sawer! And in a cage!?! does this not sream porno to you?!?!
tisk, tisk

#378. Posted by: kaseygirl at November 8, 2006 5:34 PM

@ lost chao
weird we both posted at the same time!

#379. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 8, 2006 5:36 PM


Doc, I think you've confused me with someone else. I never described any symptoms... I think it might have been Mr. Grimm? In any event, thanks for the updates. While I have medical knowledge through family and friends (including a surgeon), it's nice to have a real expert here, who can pick apart any potential medical errors in complete detail! Excellent!

#380. Posted by: TheDuf at November 8, 2006 5:52 PM

I love the name "Benry", very clever of PiecesofArtz. It sounds very Sawyer-esque. It wouldn't suprise me if Sawyer actually refers to him as such, and I think he should.

#381. Posted by: Green at November 8, 2006 8:50 PM

great work mac

#382. Posted by: steve at November 9, 2006 1:36 AM

Well I sure was wrong. Looks like ole Ben really did have the tumor afterall. Don't know about you folks, but I'm just hanging around waiting for Mac's incredible review. 1st question I'd like to post is - Who the heck is Jacob??? Eyepatch guy perhaps??? Is he "him" and not Ben as a lot of us thought. And, whoa-baby! The Sawyer/Kate scene rocked my world! Looking forward to all your comments this afternoon.

#383. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 9, 2006 9:24 AM


OMFG - I was thinking the same thing last night - I was like "who the hell is Jacob?" I even rewound that part to hear pickett repeat the line because I thought I might not have heard it right. I wonder what that means for Ben's future if he disobeyed Jacob and had Jack put on the list for the sole reason of saving his life.

#384. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 9, 2006 9:30 AM

@ Mr. Grimm: Ditto! I had forgotten he also said Jack's name wasn't on the list. OMG - mysteries just keep mounting. Oh, and when Jack told Ben he would operate on him, he said something like "I need you to promise me... I have to get off this island" and Ben said (ever so Benly) "Done." Well Jack doesn't know he's on a different island right now. I'm sure Ben will keep his 'word' (insert evil Mwah-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa laugh here) and simply take Jack back to the other island. That is pure and simple Evil!

#385. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 9, 2006 10:04 AM

maybe "jacobs" is ethan's last name?

#386. Posted by: wolf at November 9, 2006 11:00 AM

I didn't hear the line about Jack not being on the list (I heard the words "Jack" and "list" but didn't catch the rest of the sentence and haven't had a chance to re-watch it yet.) I found the Kate/Sawyer porn scene both romantic and disturbing. Romantic because of how gentle, tender, and un-Sawyerlike he was being with her (and the fact that it looked like she kept starting to say "I love you" but never actually did). Disturbing because that cage is probably tainted with island parasites and decades-old bear feces. Also, the way Jack's face fell when he found them in the post-coital embrace....then Ben enters looking rather flushed. :) Seriously, did they not realize they were being voyeured upon??

#387. Posted by: Trinity at November 9, 2006 11:33 AM

Did Ben actually call Ethan "Ethan" when he ordered him to go infiltrate the survivors? I can't remember.

#388. Posted by: Karen at November 9, 2006 11:33 AM

I enjoyed the Kate/Sawyer love fest! I was glad to see them get all that sexual tension out of the way!! But now you know that one of them must die. Gettin busy on Lost doesn't bode well for your character!

#389. Posted by: Karen at November 9, 2006 11:37 AM

Was Locke's line "Don't mistake coincidence for fate" stolen from Eko? It sounded familiar, I have a feeling Eko said it when they pieced the orientation film back together in "What Kate Did". The line was certainly given a lot of gravitas.

And I thought Locke's idea was to use the Pearl to find out where Jack Kate and Sawyer were, so they could go looking for them, rather than to speak to the Others. but maybe I misunderstood.

#390. Posted by: Rob at December 10, 2006 7:34 PM

I'm a bit late cos I'm in NZ and we've only just had this episode - but Eko's last words - they must have been "You're next." surely? Why did Locke assume this meant "We're next" rather than he, individually was next?

#391. Posted by: Jo at February 28, 2007 2:57 PM

OK, I am the biggest lost fan ever. I have been watching since day one. One of the biggest disappointments in a new T.V. series is when the writers want more money. Instead of paying the money for what works the network goes out and hires new writers. Then all of a sudden everything changes, the magic and suspense. No, there are no new writers just the usual suspects like greed. You have a good thing and instead of using what work. You got to milk it for all its worth. This season has been the biggest disappointment ever. First you get new people. Daa! Big mistake. Who cares about new people when you have invested in the old? Second you prolong us into nothingness each episode. It is becoming boring. Actually I am so bored I am writing this blog during the show. Last year nothing could pry me away from the set. I admit last weeks episode was probably the best one this season. But it was so predictable I really did not need to watch. You need to find a new direction. Ha! Try the old one!! Daa!! The worst thing you could ever do is insult my intelligence. Oh! By the way. What happened to all the Black people? Why is it that some of the most exciting characters just happened to be black. And where did they all go!!! Just like the old cliché. The black one always dies first. Hmm! I loved Mr. Echo, he added a cultural richness. I thought Walt and Michael added mystery. Walt, having his special talent. Letting Kate sleep with Sawyer, not good. Too soon if ever. It took away the appearance of her innocence. What happened to the black smoke and the magic of the island? Please do not tell me the best is yet to come. I will not be watching by then.

#392. Posted by: Jewel at March 28, 2007 10:24 PM

3-5 - The Cost of Living

The smoke monster prowls
Eko confronts his conscience
Rest In Peace, Eko

#393. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 15, 2008 12:58 PM


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  6. Please scan through previous posts to see if someone has already addressed your theory or comment.

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