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Key Points from "I Do"

Season 3, Episode 6
Episode Air Date: 11/08/06

Point 1
Kate

Sawyer

Pickett

Alex

Juliet

Jack
The "Lost" producers promised a cliffhanger for this "fall finale" (dumbest ... name ... ever), and, if you want to be technical about it, I suppose the concluding moments did represent a cliffhanger.

Personally, I have a hard time thinking of the sixth episode in a 22 or 23 episode season as ever being a cliffhanger, and this episode is no different. Sure, it left us hanging in the "I wonder what's going to happen next?" sense, but let's not confuse the sixth episode with the season finale -- there's a huge difference between "I Do" and something like "Live Together, Die Alone."

Now, I know I sound like a big ol' crank, but I think it's important to look past the upcoming 13-week hiatus and remember that the third season is still a season. As it stands, this episode -- as interesting as it was -- represents the sixth chapter in a 22- or 23-chapter book. We're a long, long way from the finish line.

But enough with my half-assed analysis. Let's recap this bugger!

As the episode opens, Kate and Sawyer are still stuck in their bear cages. Pickett and his band of Dharma drones march into the cage area and unlock Kate's cell. In a twist, Pickett tells Kate that Sawyer is getting the day off, but Kate immediately smells a rat (or maybe that's just her B.O. ... manual labor has rendered her quite ripe). She objects to Sawyer's vacation day, noting that they work as a team.

For some odd reason, Pickett considers Kate's reasoning and opts to retract Sawyer's day off. Whatever plans Pickett had for Sawyer will have to wait.

So Kate and Sawyer are hauled off to the rock patch to tend boulders. The sun rises and the day grows hot, but the back-breaking monotony is suddenly broken by a blaring horn and a recorded warning: "Compound Breach! ... Compound Breach!"

Pickett grabs his walkie-talkie and barks questions at an unidentified Dharma associate on the other end of the walkie-talkie line. Pickett initially thinks Jack has escaped, but his conversation soon reveals that "she" has escaped.

She?

"How the hell did she get over here?" Pickett asks.

SWISH!

The question remains unanswered because a small rock zings past Pickett's head. He spins and sees ... ALEX!

It's a sight to behold. A teenaged girl is darting through the worksite slinging rocks from a home-made slingshot. Dharma drones drop like mini-Goliaths as Alex works her magic.

But Pickett knows how to deal with teenagers.

He whips out his pistol and points it right between Alex's eyes. She stops in her tracks, a rock quivering in her outstretched slingshot. Pickett orders her to put the weapon down, but Alex is too riled up to comply.

"What did you do to him, Danny?! Where is he!" She shouts, aiming the slingshot at Pickett's head. "I want to talk to Ben!"

Danny softens his voice. "Sure, that sounds like a great idea," Danny says calmly while keeping the pistol trained on Alex's angst-ridden face.

As Danny talks, a Dharma drone sneaks behind Alex and lunges at her arms. The drone snaps Alex up and walks off. She kicks and struggles, trying to break free, but strength isn't a hallmark of the Rousseau family so Alex remains snared in the drone's arms.

But she does have one parting gift ...

Alex looks at Kate.

"Listen, whatever they say, don't believe them!" Alex shouts. "They're going to kill your boyfriend, just like they killed mine!"

Kate watches as Alex is pulled out of sight.

"Just like her mother ... crazy-ass bitch," Kate thinks (or so I like to believe).

Sidenote: Alex's appearance isn't what's interesting, rather, the moments before her entrance are far more intriguing. Just as Alex is about to begin her slingshot attack, Pickett asks his unidentified walkie-talkie cohort: "How the hell did she get over here?"

The key phrase is "over here." Some "Lost" fans have theorized that the DharmaWorld community we saw in "A Tale of Two Cities" isn't necessarily on the "Alcatraz" island. Pickett's offhand remark seems to support this theory. It also opens the door to a potential escape route for Jack, Kate and Sawyer. If Alex has a boat or a sub or some sort of Dharma Sea-Doo, perhaps she represents the key to a castaway prison break.

Or maybe Pickett's question was a fleeting piece of dialogue that means absolutely nothing.

Anyway ...

Later that day, Juliet pays a visit to the rock-strewn worksite. Kate watches as Juliet and Pickett have a somewhat tense conversation. I have no idea what their conversation means, but since it's going to be months before we have another new episode, I offer it up as conversation fodder.

Pickett: "I don't understand. It's supposed to be two weeks."

Juliet: "Our schedule's been moved up."

Pickett: "Is that an order?"

Juliet: "It's coming from him."

Pickett: "That's stupid."

Juliet: "It's not my call. It's the way it is, Danny."

(Note: I think the "two weeks" bit refers to the "unpleasant" two weeks Ben alluded to during his beachside breakfast with Kate in "A Tale of Two Cities")

Juliet breaks off the conversation and calmly walks toward Kate. Kate, remembering Sawyer's comment that Juliet would have no problem planting a bullet in her head, grabs her pick-axe and tries to hold it menacingly. Juliet isn't impressed. She holds out a burlap hoodie and asks/instructs Kate to put it on.

Kate is astonished; there's no way she's going to wear that burlap hoodie. Maybe if it was a fleece hoodie with a cute little ball on top, but burlap? Uh-uh. Juliet, as usual, has the upper-hand. She tells Kate that Pickett is going to kill Sawyer unless Kate helps Juliet. Kate's lip quivers and the opening bars of the "Kate-Sawyer Love Theme" swell on the soundtrack. Kate grabs the hoodie and pulls it over her head.

Moments later, Juliet guides Kate through the dark, mildew-covered walls of the Hydra station. She cracks the door adjacent to Jack's aquarium cell and leads the still-blindfolded Kate into the room. Removing the hoodie with a magician's flourish ("I give you ... JACK!"), Juliet exits the room so Jack and Kate can have a heart to heart (and so Juliet can watch from the closed-circuit monitors).

The sight of Kate brings a small smile to Jack's face. Both approach the Plexiglass and fumble against it like smitten pre-teens, but they soon realize there's no way they can "connect" through the plastic.

Jack gets down to business. He asks Kate where she's being kept and Kate confirms that she and Sawyer are both holded up in bear cages. Worse, they're being subjected to manual labor while Jack, apparently, gets to lounge around all day in a fish tank.

"Did they hurt you?" Jack asks, touching upon one of the big mysteries from "A Tale of Two Cities" (namely: What happened to Kate after her breakfast with Ben? Was she assaulted?)

Kate starts to cry.

"Jack, you have to do it," Kate says, ignoring Jack's question. "This thing, this operation."

Jack takes a step back. He wasn't expecting that.

Sensing Jack's apprehension, Kate makes her case. She tells Jack the Others are going to kill Sawyer. But if Jack goes through with the operation, Juliet has promised that they'll let Sawyer live and, as a bonus, they'll let them all go.

Ah, but Kate hasn't been dealing with Juliet for the last five episodes. Jack knows better.

"And you believed them," Jack says, disappointment dripping from every syllable.

"I had to," Kate says, realizing she's a dumbass. "Jack, please."

"We're done here," Jack snaps.

The shot cuts to Ben as he watches Jack and Kate's conversation from the Hydra's observation room. His eyes grow dark as he stares at the bank of television monitors through his evil round glasses. Ben orders Juliet (who's standing behind him) to take Kate back to her cage.

Juliet, the dutiful soldier, follows Ben's orders and guides Kate back to her cell. For the moment, the cage area is quiet -- Sawyer is still working in the rock field. Juliet slowly locks the door to Kate's cell. She puts on her best "I'm sorry" face and expresses disappointment and a tinge of regret at Kate's failure to convince Jack to operate on Ben's back.

Seconds later, Pickett and his henchmen push Sawyer out of the woods and shove him back into his bear cage. With Sawyer's back turned, Pickett (the coward he is), cracks him across the head with the butt-end of his pistol. Sawyer drops to the floor of his cell as Pickett slams the door shut.

Sawyer, his eyes narrowed into the Sawyer Stare, glares at Pickett.

"You got anything you want to say to your girl, Pickett sneers, "you best say it tonight."

With that, Pickett, Juliet and the cabal of anonymous Dharma drones leave the area. Sawyer rises, dusts himself off, and looks at Kate. "And how was your day, honey?" he cracks. But this time, Kate doesn't smile.

Instead, she tells Sawyer about her meeting with Jack. Sawyer is astonished -- first he loses his vacation day and now Kate is staging a secret rendezvous with his rival?

As Kate continues to reveal the details of her Jack encounter, she scampers up the side of her cage and executes a perfect escape through the bars in the cell's roof (we saw her pull this same maneuver in "Every Man for Himself").

Sawyer shouts at her to get back in the cell, but Kate won't hear it. She drops to the ground and runs toward Sawyer's cell. Sawyer continues to bark and plead. Kate grabs a rock and, with two weak little swings breaks the lock off Sawyer's cage (that's all it took?!). Swinging the door open, she orders Sawyer to run. Sawyer stays put. Kate tries again. "Run! Run! Why won't you run?!" she screams.

Sawyer steps back and drops his voice. "I ain't runnin' because there ain't no place to go," he admits.

Kate's dumbfounded. Sawyer sees her confusion and decides to spill the beans on their "location." He tells her they're on a different island -- an "Alcatraz" -- and "unless you're a mermaid or you got a boat, there ain't no point."

Kate goes off on Sawyer. She's hoppin' mad that he didn't tell her this about Alcatraz business. Why would he keep it from her?

Sawyer bows his head. He didn't tell her because he wanted to her to believe they still had a chance.

Sawyer's admission soothes Kate. Actually, that's an understatement. It doesn't just soothe her, it turns her into a full-fledged horndog. She kisses Sawyer. Sawyer kisses back. They stop and separate for one of those "what are we about to do?" moments, then they start kissing again. And then the kissing turns to groping and the groping turns to undressing and the undressing turns into ... WHOA! Bear cage sex! And of course all this happens while the cage is wide open and Ben is watching via his porno cam.

Night falls and Kate and Sawyer are still knotted up in his bear cage, enjoying their post-coital bliss while munching on Viagra-laced fish biscuits. Sawyer asks Kate about that whole "I love him" thing that transpired in "Every Man for Himself" -- he wants to know if she meant those words. Kate responds by kissing Sawyer deeply, which is supposed to fool us into thinking that she really loves him, but take note: she does not actually confirm it. Alas, Sawyer buys it. As they come up to breathe, Sawyer leans back. "I love you, too," he says with a grin.

Oh Sawyer, you wouldn't be smiling if you knew Kate's romantic history ...

CUE BACKSTORY SWOOSH

I could be wrong, but I think we now know every important biographical detail in Kate's life. We know she killed her no-good father; we know she was responsible for the death of her childhood sweetheart; we know her Mom is dead; and we know she robbed a bank just so she could liberate a small toy airplane from a safe deposit box.

As this episode opens, the only questionable bit still remaining is Kate's marital history. You'll recall that way back in "Outlaws," Kate admitted to Sawyer that she had once been married (this occurred during a torrid game of "I Never"). In this current episode's backstory segments, we meet her husband.

Personally, I could give a damn about Kate's previous relationships, but thanks to some exceptional casting, I found a glimmer of entertainment in this episode's backstory.

So here's what we see and learn:

  • Kate is living in Miami under the assumed name "Monica" (she'd already used "Phoebe" and "Rachel" at previous stops). As the backstory opens, it appears that little Katie has settled down. She's about to get married to a Miami cop named Kevin.

    And this is where the great casting saves the day. Kevin is played by "Firefly" star Nathan Fillion. Captain Mal is back! If you didn't watch the dearly-departed TV show "Firefly" or see its big-screen counterpart "Serenity," you'll have no idea who Nathan Fillion is. But trust me: He's one of the industry's most underrated actors and it's an absolute pleasure to see him on the small screen again.

    But I digress ...

  • We see Kate (sorry, "Monica") and Kevin in their marital bliss and we watch as the marriage goes off without a hitch. No shoot outs or black horses or tiny toy airplanes are in sight.

    But since Kate is a jackass, we know it's only a matter of time before her bubble of domestitude gets popped by her criminal past.

  • Kate's faux joy begins to disintegrate one rainy night. After wandering the aisles of her local super market buying ingredients for "taco night" (I'm not making that up), she darts outside to a phone booth. Now, the sight of a phone booth is novel by itself (do they exist anymore?), but when Kate suddenly produces a small kitchen timer and sets it atop the phone, we know criminal deviousness is afoot. Kate dials a number ...

    And the shot cuts to the Marshal answering his phone.

    You'll recall that "The Marshal" is Kate's nemesis. For some inexplicable reason, he made it his life's work to track Kate and bring her to justice for murdering her abusive, no-good father.

    So Kate places the call and, with the kitchen timer clicking in the background, she asks/pleads with the Marshal to stop trailing her. The Marshal immediately knows what's going on: Kate's found herself a man-friend and she wants to settle down.

    So the Marshal offers her a deal: If Kate is really going to settle down, as in barbecues-and-babies settling down, then the Marshal will give up the hunt. Kate goes silent as she mulls the offer.

    The Marshal cracks a smile. "But you and I both know that's not going to happen," he says with glee.

    RIIIIIIING! The timer goes off. Kate slaps the phone down to prevent a trace. She breathes deeply. Once again, the Marshal got under her skin.

  • Sometime later, Kevin surprises Kate with two tickets to Costa Rica. The couple never had a chance to go on a honeymoon, and Kevin aims to correct that oversight. (Note: the tickets are for Oceanic air ... natch).

    Looking at the tickets, Kate feels the cold claw of reality tapping her on the shoulder.

  • Kate's life takes a dramatic turn when she takes a pregnancy test. The test is negative, but the results cause Kate to explode in tears. Is she upset because she isn't having a baby, or, is she confronting her deeper desire to not be a mother?

    (Note: This baby scene confirms that Kate was being honest when she told Sun that she had taken a pregnancy test back in "The Whole Truth. This is wildly uninteresting, but I aim to be thorough).

  • In the final backstory segment, Kate opts to dismantle her marriage. She walks into her den, carrying two glasses of iced tea. She hands one to Kevin and he takes a sip.

    Kevin is sitting in front of his laptop, so Kate asks him what he's working on. He says he's tidying up a few loose ends from a recent fugitive capture.

    The word "fugitive" sets Kate off.

    Tears well in her eyes. "What if I told you I was a fugitive?" Kate asks.

    Kevin looks at her, thinking she's kidding.

    "What if I told you I was on the run for blowing up my father and it was only a matter of time before you found out?" Kate continues.

    Kevin doesn't think this is funny anymore, but Kate's on a roll.

    "I almost had a baby," Kate sobs. "Taco night? I don't do taco night!"

    Confusion etches across Kevin's face. It's as though he's married to a Reaver.

    "I love you but I can't stay," Kate says softly. She turns to leave. Kevin grasps her arm, but as he rises, his legs shudder.

    Kate steps back and tells Kevin she drugged him. Kevin drops to the floor, unconscious (how dare she do that to Capt. Mal!). Kate reaches into her pocket and grabs a necklace her mother-in-law gave her on her wedding day. She wraps the necklace around Kevin's hand.

    And that's when the backstory ends.

    One small thing I need to mention: While it's great to see Nathan Fillion, it was disappointing to watch him go through the motions of a poorly constructed character. Fillion has a smart-ass charm that's hard to find and it would have served the "Lost" crew well to work that charm into Kevin's character. What they should have done was ask "Firefly" creator Joss Whedon to write the backstory ... good lord, can you imagine what Whedon and Fillion could do with this show?

The remainder of the Kate/Sawyer story is twisted into Jack's plotline, so let's move on to Key Point 2.

Point 2
Jack

Juliet

Ben

Kate

Sawyer

Sawyer

Zeke/Tom
To me, the single best development of season three is Jack's metamorphosis from whiny prisoner to take-charge doctor. In this episode, Jack's transition reaches its apex as he uses all his cunning and skill to obtain a power position.

But we'll get to that in a moment. First, we need to see how this power play comes to fruition.

Jack opens the episode with guns blazing. Early on, we see him in his aquarium cell as he looks over Ben's spinal x-rays. Juliet and Ben watch him from behind the Plexiglass wall in the room adjacent to Jack's aquarium cell. Their demeanor is noticeably different than in previous episodes: Ben, in particular, is quivering like a Chihuahua in a thunderstorm.

Jack seems to be in full doctor mode: He's pouring over lab tests and x-rays and asking Juliet about the status of the Dharma operating room. It appears Jack is going to perform the life-saving surgery on Ben's cancer-ridden spine.

But appearances are deceiving.

Jack tells Ben that the tumor's accelerated growth rate will make it inoperable within a week. Ben swallows, interpreting this comment as confirmation that Jack will perform the surgery. Ben tells him he's ready to get cracked open.

And that's when Jack unleashes a zinger.

See, Ben got the wrong idea: Jack isn't going to do the surgery.

"I just wanted you to understand how you're gonna die," Jack sneers.

Jack snaps, telling Ben and Juliet that there's no way he's going to do the surgery because there's no way he believes them. Juliet tries to argue, but Jack whips a folder at the Plexiglass and silences her.

Ben blinks. "Well, Jack, I'm disappointed in your decision," he says.

Jack plants himself in front of Ben. "Well, Ben, at least you won't have to be disappointed for very long."

DAAAAAAAMN

So, Juliet and Ben leave with their tails between their legs and Jack opts to spend the day lounging on the table in his aquarium cell, relishing his victory. As he rests, the cell's intercom starts to crackle and buzz. Jack presses the TALK button, but, as usual, it's busted.

Or so it seems.

A woman's voice emerges from the static (it sounds like Alex). She tells Jack to try the door.

Jack pushes the heavy handle on his cell door. It creaks and the door opens.

Peering into the hallway, Jack sees he's alone. Creeping along the wall, he comes upon another door and swings it open. Inside, he spots a bank of six closed-circuit televisions: He's uncovered Ben's observation room.

He casually glances at the TVs, but his attention is soon diverted by a closet on the far side of the room. He opens it to find a small-arms locker outfitted with rifles and pistols. He grabs a pistol and loads it like an expert (adding further credence to the theory that Jack has military training).

Jack goes back to the TV monitors and gives them a closer look. His eyes settle on Monitor 2 ...

Holy ... crap ...

He sees Kate and Sawyer wrapped around each other, shirtless and loverly. He blinks and drops his eyes, realizing that Sawyer, once again, has worked his voodoo on one of Jack's love interests (remember: Ana-Lucia was initially introduced as a potential romance partner for Jack, but in the end Sawyer was the only one who successfully extricated Ana from her pants).

As Jack gawks at Monitor 2, a figure appears in the hallway.

"If I were a betting man, I would have put the money on you," Ben says in his best Henry Gale voice.

Jack spins and points his pistol at Ben's chest.

"I guess this is the proverbial nail in my coffin," Ben says, calmly taking note of the gun aimed at his heart.

Not so fast, Benny!

The sight of Sawyer and Kate in flagrante delicto creates a seismic shift in Jack. "Tomorrow," he says, confusing the hell out of Ben (and me).

Tomorrow?

Wait a minute. Jack's going to do it! Jack's going to do the operation!

Seeing Kate lounging across Sawyer's lap breaks Jack's will. He tells Ben that he needs to get off the island (yeah, but he doesn't know which island he's on -- BWAHAHAHA!). Jack agrees to do the operation, but he asks for Ben's word. Ben, of course, gives it. Why Ben's current "word" is different from any other "word" is beyond me, but in Jack's mind it all seems to make sense. This, dear friends, is why Jack is insane.

Sidenote: Ben has to be kicking himself for not figuring this Kate thing out sooner. He didn't need to concoct an intricate plan! All he needed was to get Kate to bang someone else (easy enough) and, BLAM, Jack is his medical servant!

But, now that I think about it, maybe Kate's dalliance with Sawyer was part of the plan. She got out of her cage with absolute ease ... and she and Sawyer were left to their own devices for a very long time. Hmm ...

Moving on ...

The next morning, Jack and Juliet prep for Ben's surgery. In the scrub room outside the Dharma OR, Jack tells Juliet he needs her to be Johnny on the spot during the operation. Juliet remains calm (of course), but she clearly bristles at Jack's condescending tone. Get used to it Jules ...

Inside the operating room, Ben is shirtless and lying face-down on the table. Still conscious and alert, he asks Jack if he ever gets nervous before an operation. Jack says he used to, but not anymore, especially when he's operating on someone who has the value of a frozen cadaver.

"Whatever happens, everything will be very different, won't it?" Ben says, trying to be coy and evil, but failing because he's half-naked on an operating table.

"No doubt about it," Jack says.

Oddly, Ben then asks Juliet if Alex "asked about" him. Juliet lies and says she didn't -- we saw Alex clearly ask to speak to Ben earlier in the episode. It's a weird exchange that suggests a connection between Alex and Ben (could Ben be Alex's adoptive father?). Moreover, it also suggests that Juliet and her revolutionary-minded Dharma friends are intentionally keeping Alex and Ben apart.

The Alex exchange lingers for a moment, but Ben soon lets it pass. He puts his head down. Per jack's instructions, Ben counts backwards from 20. He hits 18 and the anaesthesia kicks in.

Jack picks up a scalpel and delicately slices into Ben's back. Juliet and an anonymous Dharma drone watch Jack perform his handiwork. Upstairs, in an observation room, Zeke, Pickett and another Dharma drone look down into the OR.

As Jack works, Pickett turns to his Dharma drone and instructs him to exit the room. Outside the observation area, Pickett unholsters his gun and starts down the stairs. The Dharma drone notes that Pickett's timing is a bit inappropriate: Ben just went under the knife.

And this is when Pickett delivers a line of dialogue that completely stirs up the conjecture pot:

"Ben just put his life in the hands of one of them," Pickett says. "Shephard wasn't even on Jacob's list."

Uh, what?

Who's Jacob? What list? The only "Lost"-related "Jacob" I could dig up is Jacob Vanderfield, a character in the Lost Experience game. Is this the guy Pickett is talking about?

Unfortunately, Pickett isn't in the mood to offer more details. Homicidal urges are bubbling through his system, and he knows exactly how to quell those feelings of rage.

The scene cuts back to Jack and Juliet in the operating room. The pair go through the medical motions, slicing and dabbing and cutting. Everything appears to be going well, so Juliet steps away for a second. With Juliet distracted, Jack picks up the scalpel. He puts his head down and PLUCKS at the hole in Ben's back.

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Juliet and the Dharma drone look up. Beeping isn't good. (In Juliet's mind it is, but we'll get to that in Point 4).

The drone swoops in to check on Ben.

THWACK!

Jack cracks him across the face! The drone drops to the floor!

Jack orders Juliet to back away. He turns and looks up at Zeke, who's watching incredulously from the observation room above. Jack summons him to the glass. He tells Zeke that he's just cut Ben's kidney sac, and if that incision doesn't get stitched up in an hour, Ben's as dead as dust. "Now get in here, and bring that walkie-talkie," Jack barks.

The scene cuts to Sawyer and Kate in Sawyer's cage. The two are dressed, but sheets of rain have drenched them both. Pickett and his henchman emerge and approach the cage menacingly.

Pickett has only one goal: turn Sawyer's head into a splatter pattern. He stomps through the open cell door. Kate feebly tries to block Pickett, but he tosses her aside. With Pickett's attention momentarily diverted, Sawyer clocks Pickett across the chin and makes a grab for the gun. The two grapple against the bars. It seems like Sawyer might gain the upper hand ...

But Sawyer looks toward the other end of the cage and sees that Pickett's Dharma drone has Kate pinned against the bars with the business end of his gun planted on her skull. Kate tells Sawyer to fight Pickett, but Sawyer's soft spot for Kate is enormous (as is his not-so-soft spot) and there's no way he's going to let his beloved's brain take on a bullet. He backs off.

Pickett swings Sawyer out of the cage and forces him to his knees. Kate screams through the bars, working under the incorrect assumption that high-pitched screaming is going to change Pickett's murderous mind.

Pickett takes a step back and points the gun at Sawyer's head.

"This is for Colleen, you son of a bitch," Pickett growls.

Sawyer narrows his eyes and turns his head away defiantly.

Kate screams.

Rain falls.

The music swells.

CRACKLE ZIZZZ CRACKLE "Danny, you there?"

What the?

Pickett looks down at the walkie-talkie barking from his belt. He grabs the radio with his non-gun hand and answers.

Through the radio, Zeke orders Pickett to hand the walkie-talkie to Kate. Pickett, as you can imagine, isn't too keen on this idea, but when Zeke informs him that Jack is holding Ben and his kidney sac hostage, Pickett complies. He tosses the walkie-talkie to Kate.

Inside the operating room, Zeke chucks his walkie-talkie to Jack.

Jack walks to the opposite side of the OR. He snaps the radio on.

"Kate, you have about an hour head start before they come after you," Jack says calmly.

Kate's confused. She asks Jack where he is.

Jack ignores the question. He's got scheming to do.

"You remember what I told you on the beach, the day of the crash? Do you remember what story I told you when you were stitching me up?" Jack asks, harkening WAY back to the opening moments of season one.

Kate doesn't answer. Jack grows angry.

"DO YOU REMEMBER!" he barks.

"Yes! Yes I remember!" Kate says (finally).

Jack lowers his voice to a normal, non-Hulk register. "When you get safe, you radio me and you tell me that story. If I don't get a call from you in the next hour I'm going to know something went wrong and [Jack turns toward Juliet] ... HE DIES!"

Kate whimpers and whines. "Jack, I can't leave without you!"

"Yes you can!" Jack shouts.

"Jack, I can't!"

Jack taps into the deepest, darkest parts of his nature and summons forth a guttural hell-cry.

"Kate, dammit, RUN!"

THUMP. THE SCREEN GOES BLACK.

It ends! The show ends!

Now, I know some of you are wondering what this "story" is that Jack wants Kate to recount. For those of you who aren't big geeks and don't have the "Lost" DVDs at arm's reach, the following is a recap of the season one story Jack tells Kate when they first meet on the beach after the plane crash. This conversation occurs in part one of the "Pilot" episode.

Kate finds Jack as he tries to stitch up a gaping wound on his back. He asks her if she's ever used a needle and she says she once made the drapes in her apartment. She apprehensively agrees to help sew up Jack's deep gash.

As she digs the needle into his skin, Kate notes that Jack doesn't seem afraid. This is when Jack tells his story:

"Well, fear's sort of an odd thing," he says. "When I was in residency, my first solo procedure was a spinal surgery on a 16-year-old kid; a girl. And at the end, after 13 hours, I was closing her up and I accidentally ripped her dural sac. It's right at the base of the spine where all the nerves come together; membranes as thin as tissue. So, it ripped open. Nerves just spilled out of her like angel hair pasta. Spinal fluid flowing out of her and I ... The terror was just so crazy, so real. And I knew I had to deal with it. So I just made a choice. I'd let the fear in. Let it take over. Let it do its thing. But only for five seconds, that's all I was gonna give it. So I started to count. One, two, three, four, five. And it was gone. I went back to work, sewed her up and she was fine."

So there you go! That's the story!

How funny would it be if Kate escapes and makes her way to safety only to tell the wrong story? "So one time, when you were little, you got beat up by some bullies and you concluded that your daddy was an alcoholic and someday you'd suspect him of sleeping with your wife and that's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series ... that's the story, right? Jack? Uh, Jack?"

Point 3
Locke

Sayid

Desmond

Nikki

Paulo
I'm happy to report that last week's dispatch of Eko was not forgotten in this episode. "I Do" contains a short plotline that deals with the aftermath of Eko's death.

The story picks up where it left off in "The Cost of Living." Locke, Sayid, Desmond and Nikki/Paulo stand over Eko's body as Locke drapes a sheet over the fallen warlord. Nikki asks what happened to Eko and Locke, lying through his teeth, suggests it might have been the polar bear.

Locke decides to bury Eko near the Pearl hatch. He feels the other castaways have attended too many recent funerals, and seeing Eko in his hematomic state won't help morale. He grabs his pack and says he's going to sneak back to the beach camp to grab shovels. Sayid offers to go, but Locke tells him it's not necessary. Sayid then insists on going. Locke realizes Sayid isn't asking. He's telling.

So Locke and Sayid head off and once they're out of range of Desmond and Nikki/Paulo, Sayid asks Locke what really killed Eko.

Locke stops. He doesn't bother lying.

"Folks back at the beach call it the 'monster'," Locke says. "I don't really have a name for it."

Sayid asks Locke what he thinks "it" is and Locke says it might be the thing that brought the castaways to the island. Sayid catches wind of Locke's undercurrent of fate, and he asks Locke if he believes the monster decided Eko should die.

"I believe Eko died for a reason," Locke says. "I just don't know what it is yet."

With that, Locke heads into the woods and Sayid follows.

Later in the episode, Locke and Sayid return to the Pearl hatch and Locke leads a brief funeral service. Locke and Sayid made a slight detour on their way back to the beach camp to pick up Eko's Jesus Stick (remember, Locke was hit by the stick at the beginning of "Further Instructions"). As Locke earnestly talks about Eko dying for a reason, he kneels and hammers the Jesus Stick into the ground.

As he does, he spots an inscription on the handle of the stick.

"Lift up your eyes and look North," it reads.

A twinkle sparks to life in Locke's eyes. It's a clue! The inscription is a clue!

And that's when this small storyline concludes.

Point 4
Island We'll close with a few observations and questions:
  • I have serious doubts about Jack's escape plan. He's shown a predilection for hot-headedness in the past, and we know he isn't the island's best strategist (whatever happened to that Other army he and Ana were building?). Moreover, he doesn't know that he, Kate and Sawyer are all trapped on "Alcatraz."

  • How is Kate going to escape? Will Sawyer come with her? I'm assuming he will since Jack's got the upper hand and Danny has already shown restraint when Ben's life is on the line (after all, he could have shot Sawyer and then handed the walkie-talkie to Kate). Will Alex figure into the escape attempt? Will Alex's missing boyfriend, Carl, be involved?
  • Even if Jack is able to get Kate and Sawyer to safety, how is he going to save his own ass? Let's assume he completes the surgery on Ben, and Ben survives. Will Ben's gratitude gloss over Jack's actions in the OR? Will Ben keep his word and get him off "Alcatraz" only to drop him back on the original island?
  • How does Juliet figure into all this? Does Jack's OR double-cross work to her advantage? Was the posterboard message she delivered in "The Cost of Living" legit? If it was, doesn't she want Ben to die? If it wasn't real, what is she going to do to save Ben's life?
  • Kate better watch her back. Sawyer's last sexual liaison led to Ana-Lucia's final act. I can see it now: Michael will stage a stunning return as Dharma's Angel of Abstinence and finish off Kate and Sawyer. Either that, or the STD Sawyer alluded to having in "Deus Ex Machina" will soon spread like wildfire among the island population.
  • One last thing: I want to thank Lost Blog regular Cecil Rose for compiling a phenomenal recap of the Lost Experience game. If you didn't have the time to play during the summer, consult Cecil's write-up.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Not in Portland" -- Details are sketchy, but rumors suggest the next "Lost" episode will be Juliet-centric. Airs Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2007 at 9 p.m. on ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on November 9, 2006 12:50 PM |




Thanks! ;-)

#1. Posted by: Chris Meisenzahl at November 9, 2006 12:52 PM

Thanks Mac!!
So psyched to read it!

#2. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 9, 2006 12:53 PM

Kinda weak ending for the show before 13 weeks.
Who is Jacob???

#3. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at November 9, 2006 1:01 PM

probably Goodwin

#4. Posted by: maestr06 at November 9, 2006 1:02 PM

"WHOA! Bear cage sex! And of course all this happens while the cage is wide open and Ben is watching via his porno cam."

ROFLMAO, nice one mac.

#5. Posted by: Jack at November 9, 2006 1:07 PM

Good recap, but the pregnancy test Kate took clearly said that she wasn't pregnant.

#6. Posted by: Carly at November 9, 2006 1:07 PM

I just found your blog. Excellent summary and commentating. Keep it up!

#7. Posted by: sonya67 at November 9, 2006 1:10 PM

@Carly: You're right about the pregnancy thing! The correction has been made. Thanks for the catch! -- mac

#8. Posted by: mac at November 9, 2006 1:16 PM

First, great job yet again MAC!

Various thoughts:

1) I think that Jacob is a new character - some high-ranking Dharma/island-cult member. It is a good theory that it is the person from the Lost Experience. To be honest, I never got involved with that thinking that it was kind of like the extended universe in Star Wars -- I just stick to the 6-movie canon.

2) I thought that Kate was pregnant too. I'll have to go back and confirm.

3) Even if Jack knew that they were on the same island, it is still a terrible plan. He knows that he is going to need help to actually get off the island and return home, so it was a bit disappointing.

4) I was expecting a big season-ending-type "finale", but was let down. I was thinking that we were going to get something like we had at the end of season one with Zeke taking Walt. So, this is just another Lost episode to me with some cliffhanger, but nothing big. Anyway, I'm all ready for 2/7 and the 16 straight weeks with "No Repeats... Not One".

Marty.

#9. Posted by: Marty at November 9, 2006 1:23 PM

RE: pregnancy test -

I took her saying 'I almost had a baby' as meaning that they had been trying, so she was on that path, and sort of snapped herself out of it. Like, 'OMG! I almost did that!'

Figured she had the test to make sure she wasn't preggers before she left the darling new hubby, and that she was disappointed when fate didn't give her the out that she desperately wanted to stop running. A baby would have (maybe for her) meant that she didn't have to choose whether to keep running or not - that she HAD to stay. Not being pregnant meant that she had to choose...and her nature meant that she had to choose to keep running.

Just my .02 about what might turn out to be a completely unimportant part of the plot. :)

#10. Posted by: Helen at November 9, 2006 1:23 PM

too much build up and too long a break to leave us hanging like that. i hope daybreak tanks and they bring it back early. that show looks like its going to suck anyway. groundhog day anyone? tae diggs is no bill murry.

JAC

#11. Posted by: JAC at November 9, 2006 1:25 PM

I was hoping to be first....almost, but no cigar. Once again, brilliant review Mac! My only observation that I want to add is when Kate and Sun were using the pregnancy test Kate jokingly said, "Who brings a pregnancy kit on an aireplane?" I think we now know the answer is Kate.

#12. Posted by: Sam at November 9, 2006 1:28 PM

"...But, now that I think about it, maybe Kate's dalliance with Sawyer was part of the plan. She got out of her cage with absolute ease ... and she and Sawyer were left to their own devices for a very long time. Hmm ... "

Have to agree with you on that one, Mac. I absolutely thought it was a setup. I think maybe the voice telling Jack to check the door was Juliet's, and that she knew Jack would see Kate & Sawyer in post-coidal snuggle mode, and that would flip the Jack-switch to operate.

Also, maybe this is reading too much into it, but I was sorta struck by the way Kate left the necklace in hubby's unconscious hand and how simialar it was to the way Sun's necklace was dangling from Swan Dive guy's hand.

#13. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 9, 2006 1:28 PM

Damn, misspelled simialr...simmu...alike.

#14. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 9, 2006 1:29 PM

Good one again Mac.

If I saw correctly, I think Kate's pregnancy test said "not pregnant" though. I think this upset her because she was going to use her pregnancy excuse not to fly (to Costa Rica) instead of Kevin hubby finding out that she has no passport (at least as Monica). Now she has to fly the coop.

#15. Posted by: chappy at November 9, 2006 1:30 PM

Was I the only one hoping Sawyer would throw his shoe and hit the button as they went at it so we'd have the music going in the background. REWARD REWARD a little mood music if you will.

#16. Posted by: CC at November 9, 2006 1:30 PM

Good Q about where the
Dharma subdivision is located. If you were brilliant (& crazy) scientists messing with nature, would you do it in your own backyard? Would you live on an island where you created Smokey and Dharma brand animals (come see the Anna Lucia Polar Bear, more fur than AL but just as angry)

I have to think there is a Dharma commuter rail...perhaps the Dharma chunnel.


Great recap

#17. Posted by: CC at November 9, 2006 1:33 PM

Phoebe, Rachel, and, now, Monica. Was Kate a Friends fanatic?

#18. Posted by: Genepools at November 9, 2006 1:36 PM

I'm pretty sure Kate's pregnancy test showed the negative symbol. Then she tells Kevin "I almost had a baby". Am I wrong? I thought she was crying b/c she'd let her guard down to the point of having a pregnancy scare when she should have been more careful. Are we to think she had a positive test and then aborted the baby? I'm confused

#19. Posted by: novfraggle at November 9, 2006 1:36 PM

sorry-guess I should refresh my browser before posting. I see now that this has been addressed

#20. Posted by: nova at November 9, 2006 1:38 PM

Hey Mac, good review. First off, Kate realized that she'd have to get a passport to go to Costa Rica, which she wouldn't be able to do under an assumed name, not to metion, she is wanted by the law. Also, Kate's pregnancy test revealed that she was NOT pregnant, just a close call. That's all. Thanks.

#21. Posted by: Eric at November 9, 2006 1:38 PM

Looks like it's time for a new abbreviation: TTWN

The Test Was Negative ;)

#22. Posted by: mac at November 9, 2006 1:41 PM

Has Jack figured out that if the others had the ability to get off the island then Henry would have left for medical treatment or had DHARMA drop in a doctor with the scheduled grocery delivery.

I can not wait to see see the Bald headed bear again. shades of the Great Outdoors.

#23. Posted by: Mike at November 9, 2006 1:43 PM

Mac, excellent as always!

Yes, I thought Kate's pregnancy test said "not pregnant" and then in her dialogue afterwards she said, "I almost had a child."

I also agree with your comments re: 6th episode of a 23-episode season. I would suggest people not try to buy the hype, which is all about advertising and ratings. I've already read comments like "not a very good Fall Finale" ... The commercials build it up to be something it isn't. I became a LOST fan by watching the DVDs. I have never watched LOST "live", week-to-week. This is my first time. If I had Season Three on DVD, I would be very excited to put in the next disc and see what happens ... knowing that I had twenty-or-so episodes to go to the end.

So ... what I'm saying is that, for episode six, before the big hiatus, last night's show was just right.

Also, I feel last night's show FINALLY got the mojo of the series back on track. I was a little worried during 1 through 5 ... the story was taking its time and the writers didn't seem to be doing a good job of juggling all the story lines (the beach?? Desmond??? the Arctic base???)

I was on the edge of my seat last night and rooting for Jack all the way.

Then I thought about it: Oops, he's done all this to save Kate but he doesn't know they're on a different island. Damn!!

Well ... last night was just awesome.

But who's Jacob? Oh my, do you think the Beach group has an OTHER amongst them????

Thanks, Mac!

- Matt

#24. Posted by: Matt at November 9, 2006 1:46 PM

I was disappinted with the lack of a "wow" cliffhanger. Yet, Mac is right that it is really the middle of the season. Can't wait until February.

I have a few things on my mind:

Most importantly, who is Jacob? When they said they took Alex "home" did they mean to the other island? Wasn't Kate concerned that they were being watched during their little tryst? Why did Kate even bother getting married if she knew it wouldn't last, I mean a cop?? Let's get serious.

#25. Posted by: meg at November 9, 2006 1:47 PM

We see in the previews for the next episode that Sawyer and Kate are running, so at least we know they make it out of the bear cage scene alive.

What's the connection between Ben and Alex? Could Ben actually be one of Rousseau's scientist partners? Could that explain why he doesn't seem like he's "one of them," but "with them (the Others)?" Could that also explain why he was caught in Rousseau's net? ie. she was helping him, she knows him, and he is protecting her daughter when she knows that she can't... Hmm, interesting development there.

I was disappointed that Desmond had little to no role in this episode. Two episodes ago, they showed us that Desmond has a power. We haven't seen anything since.

#26. Posted by: Dudelost at November 9, 2006 1:48 PM

Do we yet know how & why Kate got to Australia in order to even be on the flight back to LA? That's the only piece of her backstory I can't place.

#27. Posted by: Buck41 at November 9, 2006 1:48 PM

@mac

>Or maybe Pickett's question was a fleeting piece of dialogue that means absolutely nothing.

If Lost has taught us anything, it's that NOTHING is by accident, EVERYTHING is significant.

#28. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 9, 2006 1:50 PM

@ Buck41

that was adressed in tabula rasa 3rd or 4th episode of S1 a ranch farmer she was working 4 ratted her out for a $20,000 reward.

#29. Posted by: maestr06 at November 9, 2006 1:51 PM

How are they able to get information from the outside world but not a doctor? i am sure that will get ansered eventually but just a note. I thought Jack's plan was awesome. But that might have been b/c I had spent the previous 10 minutes going what is he doing - why is he operating on him! Jack has resurfaced as my favorite character! He has some power where Sawyer and Kate have none. Plus they can come back and get him. Really he didn't have too many options in that situation. I acutally thought it was a great episode starting from my new favoite line "well you wont be disappointed for long!"

#30. Posted by: Melissa at November 9, 2006 1:51 PM

One thing I don't get: Why is Pickett so mad at Sawyer for Colleen's death? It seems unreasonable. But then I suppose he's not in a real reasonable mind set, what with his honey dead.

#31. Posted by: EEK at November 9, 2006 1:52 PM

Oh, and re: Jacob. It's that Ben guy. He screwed all of this up by being selfish. He captured Shepard to save his own butt. The "Others," and Jacob in particular, aren't very happy about that, I'm sure. What does this mean for Ben, and his "followers?" Don't know. I think we're going to see a massive split amongst the "Others" once the season picks back up in February.

#32. Posted by: Dudelost at November 9, 2006 1:52 PM

I am still not entirely convinced that they are on a different island.

#33. Posted by: Melissa at November 9, 2006 1:55 PM

First, let me begin by saying, "Captain Tightpants we missed ye and Serenity!" Love Nathan Fillion and glad to see him on LOST!

I post the rest of this before I've even read Mac's recap...

What exactly did Ben promise Jack? If he promised him off the island - does he mean the island they are on now? He'll take him off the island and just put him on the original island?

Now that Sawyer and Kate did the nasty - does this mean Kate is going to die? Or will it be Sawyer (since he had sex twice with Ana Lucia and Kate - it'd be like a double negative).

I guess the island comes with a Dharma no-heat waxing kit because Kate's armpits were looking mighty smooth. Maybe they can find a Dharma razor for Sawyer...

#34. Posted by: Connie at November 9, 2006 1:55 PM

Do you like chocloate milk?

#35. Posted by: Omar Adams at November 9, 2006 1:58 PM

Amazing recap-
laughed out loud at "Bear cage sex".

A thought: Did anyone else notice how one of the flashbacks last night had Kate walking down the aisle toward the man she "loved" with a veil covering her face...and then SWOOSH to present...Kate's walking down the Dharma corridor towards the man she "loves" with the hoodie covering her face. Metafor?

#36. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 9, 2006 1:59 PM

Great recap Mac. Lots of great lines, you are DA MAN.

I completely agree about Jack seeing Kate and Sawyer being a set-up. They knew that that would push him over the edge, but here's the thing: they didn't count on Jack figuring out it was a setup, he only played along so that he could get Ben on the slab and put himself in a position to help Kate and Sawyer.

"And now for an update on the 1st Annual "Island Hook-Up Championship" The score is Sawyer 2, Jack 0, Hurley was in the running but is now permanently stuck in 3rd. In other news the judges have ruled Jin disqualified, sleeping with your wife is not considered a "hook-up".

LOL

#37. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 9, 2006 2:02 PM

Another one of Juliette's lies exposed: Jack asks (in front of Ben) if the operating room is in order and they have all working equipment...to which she repsonds "yes" but we all know that the defib isn't working....why doesn't Ben catch on to this? He was watching when Colleen died, wasn't he?

Someone asked why Pickett has it out for Sawyer when it was Sun that shot Colleen? I think it's just an "eye for an eye" plan...the survivors took the one he loves, so, seeing that Kate "loves" Sawyer (which I don't really buy either...I think the bear cage nookie is somehow part of the Jack plan...or has something to do with what Kate was told between her beach scene with Ben and winding up in the cage...I also found that her "I can't leave without you" line to Jack was more heartfelt then he bear skin/bare skin lovin with Sawyer...), Pickett's only option is to take away the love interest of one of the survivors to avenge Colleen's death...

BTW...Who is Alex's boyfriend? Was it Carl?

TTWN!

#38. Posted by: Vikki at November 9, 2006 2:03 PM

Dont forget about Sayid 1

#39. Posted by: Melissa at November 9, 2006 2:04 PM

Not too hard for the others to take Sawyer to the end of the original Island and point to an Island in the distance and tell him he used to be on that Island. He just assumes they are not lying to him. The others have been so truthful so far.

The three amigos were drugged while in transit to there new quarters so he has no idea what happened while he was out

#40. Posted by: Mike at November 9, 2006 2:05 PM

Absolutely the single worse episode of LOST ever. Actually it was 40 minutes of ads (especially for that Groundhog Day wannabe-Daybreak) and 20 minutes of actual show. What was the point of the Kate flashback? What clues did it provide? You could have skipped all but the last 5 minutes and still have come away with the important information. The whole Kate/Sawyer "wild monkey sex" thing? Please! I guess they are not camara shy. What's next Dharma porn? Sorry, but I will stick to reading Mac's summaries. They are much more informative and do not have any commercial breaks!

#41. Posted by: gables79 at November 9, 2006 2:06 PM

1) I totally agree with mac and ransomjackson that the Kate - Sawyer love-fest was carefully orchestrated for Jack's benefit. Explains why so much effort was taken to show Jack's obsession with his ex over the divorce - so we'd buy into how he would react to that.

2) I believe that "Jacob" is the eyepatch hatch guy.. Since every season opener starts out showing someone's eye, I suspect there could be a tie-in to the one-eyed bandit. Perhaps "LOST" even refers to the missing eyeball? Who knows? Instead of an eyeball to kick off the Winter Season opener, we may be treated to a patch, or even a socket..

3) Is it just me, or have the producers "LOST" their way with some of the backstories? Except for being treated to my Firefly Pal Captain Mal, how much did Kate's backstory really matter either to us - or to the storyline? With the exception of the Eko backstory last week, and Desmond's last season, I'm really starting to miss what used to be one of the most compelling aspects of LOST - the way each character backstory was woven into the plot of each episode (My personal favorite is the Hurley-centric "Numbers")

4) Great recap mac! Much appreciated as always

#42. Posted by: vacc at November 9, 2006 2:06 PM

@Mellissa:

Yes - Thanks - I completely forgot about Sayid.

#43. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 9, 2006 2:07 PM

Jack is THE MAN !! Too bad he doesn't know they are on another island. But he still holds all the cards. He can probably keep Benry on the operating table for quite some time I figure. Stitch him up , recut him. What are they gonna do about it ? Jack kicks ass! His acting is on par with Mel Gibson.
Who is Jacob ? Is this the "Great Man" Benry mentioned when held captive by the Losties ? Kate just continues to make bad decisions. The 20 seconds of "Dancing with the Stars" I had to endure was excruciating ! I will NOT watch Daybreak or whatever it's called with Taye Diggs. Even though he was great in "Malibu's Most Wanted"

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#44. Posted by: thinng at November 9, 2006 2:11 PM

Do we know if Ben was part of Rousseau's group that landed on the island? Was Rousseau preggers before or after landing on the island? Is Ben Alex's biological dad?

#45. Posted by: Connie at November 9, 2006 2:12 PM

Perhaps Kate cashed in the two tickets to Costa Rica for a ticket to Australia?

#46. Posted by: Kimberly at November 9, 2006 2:13 PM

I too am disappointed in the "cliffhanger". Two weeks ago, the previews promised (in big bold announcer speak) "THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WILL CHANGE *EVERYTHING*".

Well, the last two weeks picked up the pace a little, but I think that the last two minutes of S2 or the first 3 minutes of S3 were more along the lines of "Changing Everything". They're still just trying to get away from the Others, that's not different at all.

#47. Posted by: Mehdron at November 9, 2006 2:15 PM

Did anyone notice what, if anything, happened to the pistol Jack took?

#48. Posted by: maries at November 9, 2006 2:16 PM

As a woman who's had children, the two week comment jumped out at me all the more in the episode... Now us girls out there, we all know about the 2 week wait, between trying to conceive and waiting to find out... With this, I raise a possibility.

Did the "two weeks of hell" comment by Ben mean more than just smashing and hauling rocks. Was it done so that Sawyer and Kate would be alone, and eventually consumate their 'feelings' for one another, as she's donned in a pretty little sun dress? Juliet is a self-proclaimed fertility doctor, the Others have a thing for taking children, Claire was one of their obsessions when she was pregnant. Is Kate being set up to have sex and procreate?

I'll admit that I don't know how this fits into the conversation Juliet had with Pickett, and how the 'two weeks' time frame had changed. And maybe none of this makes any sense at all, but hey - I thought I'd throw it out there. Especially in light of them showing Kate taking a pregnancy test in the past. It all seemed to fit together in a neat little package, delicately tied with a pretty Dharma bow.

#49. Posted by: hookedonlost at November 9, 2006 2:17 PM

Everyone keeps commenting on the fact that Kate's backstory last night didn't reveal anything new about her character or it wasn't relevant to the events of last night's episode.

I couldn't disagree more.

C'mon folks. I've seen posts on this blog dissect the tiniest of details but no-one has bothered to acknowledge the point that last night's island events and Kate's backstory showed someone who had come full circle, or had at the least changed her nature.

In her flashback she had found a man to love, gotten married and wanted to settle down. But her past was going to catch up with her. She did what she always did and ran.

In last night's island events she decides that she's had anough of running, whether it be Jack or Sawyer, she's decided that she has found something that she will not run from, at least not alone. She is done with fleeing and being afraid to form a lasting attachment.

Now this might be due to the fact that both Jack and Sawyer now about her past and therefore there is nothing for her to hide from them, but the fact that she doesn't fall back to her old habit of running away and looking out for Numero Uno is a huge character shift. Kate hasn't (to the best of my recollection) ever displayed one iota of self-sacrifice.

I could be worng - but that was the duality I saw in last night's episode.

#50. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 9, 2006 2:17 PM

Great recap Mac! I think you are right when you said that Alex may help in the escape...but not with a Dharma Sea-Doo!LOL

#51. Posted by: MrEko237 at November 9, 2006 2:18 PM

Maybe Jacob is the Man in the Yellow Patch? Some all seeing Other overlord or something. Oh yeah..I mean black patch.

#52. Posted by: MikeDee at November 9, 2006 2:20 PM

Yo Mac,
GAFRAM! YATKOALER! TTWN!
(for the record once more...Great and funny review again Mac! You are the king of all lost episode reviewers!) Love TTWN...I was one of the schlepps who would've swore it was positive.

I'm bothered by the fact that Jack did not directly address Julievilet's private message at some point this week. But maybe the whole point was to let J know that he doesn't trust her anymore that he trusts Benry, and isn't going to help her either.

Kate should've quickly shouted to Jack in the walkie that they're not on the real island. Would've made him shut up his shouting of RUN! and made him use his leverage more effectively to get them off the island(s).

So where did Jack go after agreeing to do the surgery in the morning? Did he give Benry the gun and saunter back to his fish tank? Why didn't Benry seem surprised that Jack got out? Sounds like it really was a setup, though they made it sound like Alex in the intercom, not Julievilet.

I'm really tired of this split time between Other-Land and the beachcombers. I'm hoping part II of this season gets the focus back to the main group on the island so we can see more regular cast members in action at once.

Thanks for the summary of the story Jack wants Kate to tell him 'once she's safe'. Of course I couldn't remember it, but knew I could count on you!


#53. Posted by: JoePike at November 9, 2006 2:21 PM

If you think about it, the cliffhanger was a moment of pure, mind-bending irony: after spending her life on the run and refusing to settle down even for a husband, Kate finally manages to latch herself onto Sawyer and stay grounded...only to be told, almost immediately, by JACK of all people, to start running again! Hail to the Lost creators for that bit of almost Shakespearean story twist.

And I couldn't help but laughing at the "Day Break" promos they posted during the commercial breaks..."Every question will have an answer!!!" "At the end, the mystery will be solved!!!" All the subtlety of a nuclear bomb...they should have just come out with it and said "Bleh, we're not like that "Lost" show!!"

I don't know what I'm gonna do for 3 months. Mac, I don't suppose you'd be willing to write a new "Key Points" for every 30-second "Lost Nugget" they trot out over the break, would ya? =)

#54. Posted by: Brandon at November 9, 2006 2:21 PM

My first thought was kate panicked because she could not get a passport for Costa Rico but she ending up finding a way to get out of the country and enter Australia. She was pretty adept at running and assuming new identities.

My problem is the call to the guy chasing you. It appeared like this was a regular occurance like "Catch me if you can"

#55. Posted by: Mike at November 9, 2006 2:24 PM

I appreciate the laid back long-view thing, Mac, but you're giving them too much slack. If it is going to be flogged by the marketing dept. like the finale to a short season, it needs to deliver like one. Rationalization is a poor substitute for realization.

Not only did this episode fail to deliver a serious punch, it fell back on some seriously lame TV cliches. Sawyer and Kate making the beast with two backs was the worst. Can any grown adult females in the room seriously contend that they'd have been in the mood to count the ceiling bars in the bear cage at that time and in that place? I know some guys who will claim (almost certainly falsely) that they once dated a woman who'd do it anytime and anywhere. But in an animal cage, after days of backbreaking labor, in the aftermath of your jailer's death threats and upon the revelation that your circumstance is now, officially, hopeless? How many of you guys out there have a lady friend who'd think that was the perfect time to get it on?

Painfully stupid. Worst. Twist. Ever.

Shifting gears from critism to critique . . .

Since the idea that Jack's character repeatedly displays traits consistent with a military background was one of my hobby horses the first couple of seasons, I appreciate you dropping in that little parenthetical, Mac. I would add: didn't you find that little 'I think you'll find I'm very good at taking orders' comment in the scrub room more than a little odd? The whole exchange is ambiguous, of course, and she could be implying any number of things. On the list of potential implications, though, is the possibility that she is alluding to his (hypothetical) military background. Which she would know about, because it was in her Big Book of Jack.

Since this was apparently the episode for revealing plot points via ambiguous conversations, why not?

But truth be told, I'm now far more interested in Benry's story, than I am in any of the Losties. The origins of his megalomania and psychotic mood swings have to be far more interesting than the last sordid details of Kate's life. I'm waiting for him to lift his head off that operating table and say to Jack, "Most people are so ungrateful to be alive, but not you, not any more..."

#56. Posted by: Deep Cover at November 9, 2006 2:28 PM

Ooooh, hookedonlost .... I really responded to what you wrote. The whole Kate sun dress/pregnancy thing ... You may be on to something. I thought the producers just wanted Kate to show off some skin for the young male viewers. But, as usualy, not all is as it seems on LOST.

One last comment about people being disappointed: Oy, if you start listening to the advertisers you're going to drive yourself crazy. The LOST people have *nothing* to do with the promos. That's ABC. That's about money, ratings, and luring viewers. I watch the promos, but realize that they are trying to manipulate me, so I take them as a grain of salt. Remember, the LOST writers don't *advertise* the show. They only write each episode. From the official podcasts I've heard, they even seem somewhat annoyed with ABC and their hyped-up promos.

#57. Posted by: Matt at November 9, 2006 2:33 PM

Mac
When did Kate's mother die? I do not recall that

#58. Posted by: Bob at November 9, 2006 2:38 PM

Great job once again mac.
just a few comments:

+ "quivering like a Chihuahua in a thunderstorm." - great line.

+ i'm of the opinion that Jack's "let him die" attitude is a power play to by time without actually causing more harm to Ben.

+ although it is possible that he could have cut the kidneys, he didn't reach too far (i know it's just a show, but) it is also possible that he simply sliced the sac spoken of during the Kate-Jack story - to be revealed when Kate calls back via WalkieTalkie.

+ if Jules does want Ben to die, I wander what plan she'll have in place to intercept Kate B4 see calls back - or will she simply speed up the process by send her Mr. Friendly henchman and once he's out of the room cut Ben off by herself.

+ i do not think that Jack is a killer.

+ i think that Ben and Jules are bitter siblings - not sure that i trust her.

#59. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at November 9, 2006 2:40 PM

"Jacobs" is ethan's last name. Just like "Pickett" is danny's last name.

They're the jocks of the others.

#60. Posted by: wolf at November 9, 2006 2:42 PM

Did anyone notice, was Alex just shooting rocks or was it more? I could have sworn I saw a dart (or something like) hit one of the Dharma drones. It would certainly explain them dropping better. A stone from a slingshot would hurt, but would you really expect to go against people with GUNS with a few rocks?

I also agree, the little snippet questions, i.e. "How did she get here?" or "Our schedule's been moved up." were very interesting. Just the fact that there IS a schedule reveals something.

"Bear cage sex!". Best line this season Mac! :)

#61. Posted by: TheDuf at November 9, 2006 2:42 PM

Here's another question - whatever happened to Kate during her time w/ Benry - what was that a week in Lost time? - and then sex w/ Sawyer... Is it possible they impregnated Kate? She'll be preggers and and think it's Sawyers but it turns out to be alien baby from V (God, that was a great show)?

But as I'm writing this, they probably would make her do all the heavy construction work if they wanted to impregnate her and keep her preggers...

#62. Posted by: Connie at November 9, 2006 2:44 PM

one other thing.

could "Jacob" be our "Other" Ethan.
i do not remember any of the "Others" adressing Ethan and "Ethan" - or any (other) name for that matter.

please post if one can correct me.

#63. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at November 9, 2006 2:48 PM

@Mr. Grimm : I almost have too much respect for your cumulative contributions here to debate your take on the Kate backstory.

I agree about her coming full circle and changing her nature. (although, if it had been Jack in the other bear cage???)

But even you pointed out that in her story "she did what she always did - run"

I was just a little let down in that the Kate (Monica) we were shown in the backstory was pretty consistent with the Kate we've always seen - she skirts on the borderline of someone who tries and really seems to want to be that person - but ultimately is who she is..

Her story almost served to "remind us" of what we already knew - or to re-introduce her to newer viewers the way the Paulliki character was used as a similar vehicle.

The change in her nature was relevant to her past but I think most of us would've seen that without the new info.

I guess that over the long haul they plan to tell a "complete story" on each of the mainstays, and this was their time for the next chapter.

I'm starting to view Kate as Bill Bixby's David Banner and the Marshall as that reporter guy McGhee in the old Hulk series. (I can almost hear that teary piano music as she hitchhikes her way down the highway at the end of each segment... )

#64. Posted by: vacc at November 9, 2006 2:52 PM

Thinking a little about what we’ve seen:

1. Why do the others have nothing better to do with their prisoners than have them working on very low-tech manual labor projects with no apparent point, and which didn’t seem very big to me despite Kate’s “It’s big.” declaration to Jack?

2. What is the nature of Smoky, given the writers’ nixing of the ‘nanobot cloud’ theory?

A little reasoning leads me to believe that:

1. The Others have no control over Smoky, because if they did, he could clear a field of rocks a lot faster than semi-starved manual laborers.

2. Or else, the chain gang serves no other purpose than to punish and/or condition the captives for reasons not readily apparent, in which case Smoky may still be under the Others’ control.

Side issues:

1. Who are the *other* laborers? (Other than Sawyer and Kate)
o Renegade Others? (May lend some credence to the punishment theory.)
o Previous plane crash/boat wreck survivors?
o Rival hatch groups that lost the power struggle with the ‘one true hatch’ after Dharma collapsed?

I’d like to suggest at least a partial explanation for some of the intriguing questions. The Alvar Hanso film that was the final product of the Lost Experience suggests that the island was set up in extreme secrecy for six separate groups to study “how to change one or more of the core values of the Valenzetti equation.” And thus save humanity from extinction. Hanso says the location of the island was known only to Hanso, the deGroots, and a few high ranking executives of the Hanso foundation. A radio tower was set up to broadcast, in code, the six Valenzetti equation coefficients until one of the Dharma research groups succeeded. In the meantime, Hanso would supply food, medicine, and equipment in perpetuity. When a breakthrough had been made, then and only then were the scientists to signal (by means unspecified in the film) that the project has succeeded.

Everything about this suggests that communication with the island was supposed to be one-way, information and supplies flowing into the island but nothing coming out, until the success signal was sent. Hanso appeared at that point to have disappeared. We have no information about the deGroots. At least one high ranking associate of the Hanso foundation, Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk seems to have staged a coup and taken over the foundation.

The internal evidence at in the series seems to be that the Dharma Initiative failed long ago, and that remainders of the scientists, or perhaps their children, are using the decaying facilities for their own purposes.

Maybe no one outside the island KNOWS this (other, perhaps, than Mittelwerk, who for purposes of his own, is not telling), and therefore data and supplies continue to flow in to the island, but on a fixed schedule, and no communication in the opposite direction does (or can) take place. Thus the Others cannot request a surgeon, or a replacement for the defibrillator. They are technically without the means to ask (or to depart the island themselves). All this due to the secrecy Hanso felt necessary to set up in the first place.

Maybe the key to getting off the island is to find out how that “success” signal was supposed to be sent, and send it. We know it can’t be a simple interruption of the sending of the numbers, because, if I remember correctly, Rousseau has already done that, substituting her own transmission, with the Losties already intercepted.

#65. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 9, 2006 2:52 PM

Ben(ry) calls Ethan "Ethan" in the first 5 minutes of season 3.

#66. Posted by: wolf at November 9, 2006 2:53 PM

Hmmm, if Kate was worrying about using her passport to gt to Costa Rica, how did she get to Australia without any problems? I guess you could say that the Marshall found out about her going there and that's why he was there but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that you need a passport to fly to Australia too...

#67. Posted by: BeLO at November 9, 2006 2:54 PM

Mac, great review.
One significant thing, though:
The passage not only said "Lift up your eyes and look North" ... it also included the biblical passage ... from "JOHN"
In essence, to Lock it appeared as:

"Lift up your eyes and look north John"

... and being that his name *is* john ... I think it re-affirms his belief in predestination.

#68. Posted by: Angel at November 9, 2006 2:54 PM

Some have commented on not being sure that the Other's village is on the Big Island. This is shown quite clearly at the end of the opening sequence from the first show of season three. The shot pulls back from the village to show most of the island with the two halves of airplane freshly "de-skied".

#69. Posted by: JP coltrane at November 9, 2006 2:55 PM

@Bob: Technically, we don't see Kate's mom die, but in "Born to Run" she sneaks into the hospital to see her gravely ill mother.

Here's the review:
http://tinyurl.com/y6cto8

-- mac

#70. Posted by: mac at November 9, 2006 2:55 PM

Someone asked what promise Ben made to Jack (like won't he just dump him on the other island after the operation). I think what Ben said was that he could send Jack "home." I assumed he meant back to the U.S. and his real home. Not the other island.

But, he could pull the old switcheroo.

I still think Juliet should not be trusted. She's E-vil.

#71. Posted by: Amanda S. at November 9, 2006 2:56 PM

Not knowing Nathan Fillion the actor, when Kate opened the door I swore I was looking at Ethan Rom! Strong resemblance in my opinion.

I think 'Monica's' husband Kevin the cop is looking for her and will surface again at some future point...

Didn't anyone at the wedding think it was strange that Monica had NO family or friends of her own at the ceremony?

#72. Posted by: JoePike at November 9, 2006 2:57 PM

Best line in season three:


Jack- Well, Ben, at least you won't have to be disappointed for very long

#73. Posted by: Dana at November 9, 2006 3:02 PM

Does anyone know how many episodes that have already shot for this season? Have they shot the entire season yet or are they up to a certain episode?

#74. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at November 9, 2006 3:02 PM

Did anybody else throw-up in their mouth when Sawyer and Kate were getting hot and heavy? I'd rather watch old people fuck than those two.

#75. Posted by: stevo at November 9, 2006 3:04 PM

@ Cecil Rose

regarding communitation - i thought the Hanso video stated that the communitation tower signal (setup to repeat the "numbers sequence") was to be revised to reveal that one or more core values were found to be altered - where scientist from another (off)site will know what data the Dharma group(s) have determined possible.

#76. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at November 9, 2006 3:05 PM

great review mac, as always.

i totally agree with you about nathan fillion. extremely underrated as an actor and i totally loved firefly and the movie serenity even more. i hope he gets more work and soon.

it was good to see jack back but i must say i like kate&sawyer together much better than kate&jack. kate/sawyer have a chemistry that really works for their characters and i think the writers should consider that and continue to pursue it.

i loved last night episode and cant wait til feb. hopefully half of our questions will get answered before the season finale.

i to have a problem with pickett taking his frustrations out on sawyer for colleens death. shoulnt he be going after sun? it's not like they dont know where to look for her. hmmm...... how about the other island. :) his tyrads are actually getting old and unnecessary, if you ask me.

anyway, that's my 5 cents and i'm sticking with it.

#77. Posted by: tiffani at November 9, 2006 3:05 PM

@ Mr. Grimm
>"And now for an update on the 1st Annual "Island Hook-Up Championship" The score is Sawyer 2, Jack 0, Hurley was in the running but is now permanently stuck in 3rd. In other news the judges have ruled Jin disqualified, sleeping with your wife is not considered a "hook-up".

Mr. Grimm, Mr. Grimm, Mr. Grimm - are you looking at this only from the tally points of the male gender? Do not Ana Lucia and Kate get a point (even though the former has no chance of scoring again)?

Did Sayid score a point - I don't rememebr.

#78. Posted by: ButchM at November 9, 2006 3:08 PM

@ButchM - Remember Sayid hooked up with Shannon (the night she saw Walt)?

#79. Posted by: Linda at November 9, 2006 3:10 PM

Shannon - Sayid


I thought I was going to hate Sawyer/Kate together (mostly because I hate to see Sawyer with anyone but ME) but I like them now. Jack and Kate do not have the right dynamics any more. I really liek the idea of Jack and Juliet.

#80. Posted by: Melissa at November 9, 2006 3:12 PM

I think that "Jacob" is Goodwin as he created the lists, and Jack wasn't at his camp so Goodwin never put him on, and also didn't Tom say Ethan never made a list?

#81. Posted by: maestr06 at November 9, 2006 3:15 PM

If you're going to count a tally, you have to include Locke. He mentally worked Charlie pretty good for awhile there.

#82. Posted by: Dudelost at November 9, 2006 3:16 PM

@ButchM:

Sorry I didn't mean to be sexist, LOL, I just assumed that the ladies don't keep count of their conquests. Or maybe the younger generation does, hhmmmmm maybe I'm age-ist as well.

And yes - I forgot to Include Sayid in the "Island Hook-Up Championship". Charlie was also excluded when he failed to pass the substance screening process.

#83. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 9, 2006 3:22 PM

Great & funny review, as always, Mac.

Here's something I noticed that I haven't seen posted yet... MoniKate's husband worked for Miami Dade police. He was working on a fugitive case. Wasn't Sawyer in a Florida prison before he got let go for ratting on a fellow inmate? Wasn't the money from that episode in a car/jeep off of a Florida turnpike? Point I'm trying to make: MoniKate's husband may have been the one that arrested/jailed Sawyer. Perhaps that's why this seemingly unnecessary backstory was written. To finally tie in Kate and Sawyer from the past. Hummm?

#84. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 9, 2006 3:23 PM

The "anonymous Dharma drone" with Pickett is named Jason (see Every Man for Himself).

#85. Posted by: fan at November 9, 2006 3:25 PM

I propose a point for Mr. Eko as well. If he didn't get effed, I don't know who did.

#86. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 9, 2006 3:26 PM

@Stevo: Please watch the language. A number of teenagers follow this site.

#87. Posted by: Hey Yo It's Me at November 9, 2006 3:34 PM

@ Mr. Grimm - Re: Island hookups... I expect Rose & Bernard are WAY ahead of Sawyer and everybody else. They've got to be doing something to kill time - not like we've seen them at all lately!

#88. Posted by: Lee at November 9, 2006 3:37 PM

I am so sick of seeing Kate ruin every opportunity by becoming a hostage. That is like the 3rd or 4th time we saw this.

Didn't we see in some flashback that she could fight. She could've taken that guy.

Even if it was a setup and Jack knew it, for the first time ever, I felt kind of bad for the guy. He has been kept all alone in this cell for a week or more. Now he sees Kate and Sawyer in the same cage doing the nasty. If I was him, my first thought would be...

"here I am all by myself trying to figure out a plan and they have been together doing it this whole time?!" He wouldn't know that it was their first time. I would be a little pissed/hurt.

Also, I don't get Sawyer. Who gives a shit if they are on a different island. Any escape is better than randon beatings from Pickett. Or is he scared to be away from the security of the fish biscuits?

#89. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at November 9, 2006 3:40 PM

Some have suggested that Jacob is Ethan, and I think maestr06 was the first to suggest he was Goodwin.

I've played Clue before, so here's my guess : It was Eyepatch Guy in the Arrow Station with the Jesus Stick!

But if he had to be either of the first two, I remember that Zeke once jumped over Ethen because he was found out before he got to make a list so I'd say that rules out Ethan.

Picketts grumblings suggested that Benry's taking someone not on the list was in defiance of someone higher than Benry. And judging from the way Benry barked out orders to Ethan & Goodwin, I'd say the pecking order of the others that we know of is (from top to bottom)

1)Jacob
2)Benry
3)Juliet, Zeke, and Bea (ms. Klugh).
4)Goodwin, Ethan, Pickett.. (the movie star.. the professor and MaryAnn)

#90. Posted by: vacc at November 9, 2006 3:42 PM

No way they're done filming for the season. They probably won't get done until March or April.

#91. Posted by: Connie at November 9, 2006 3:44 PM

@ransonjackson:

LMAO - you're right - he sure did. DAMN.

@Lee:

The guidelines for the "Island Hook-up Championship", as written by the International Olympic Committee, does not allow for married couples to participate.

I hope they are "Knockin' boots" though, damn - I just showed my age.

#92. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 9, 2006 3:51 PM

I, for one, really liked seeing Kate and Sawyer hooking up. I thought it was genuine, sexy and quite believable. What woman in her right mind wouldn't jump his bones if they had the chance? Hello?!

One small quibble though. Kate's armpits were smooth as a baby's bottom. Is Zeke/Tom slipping her a Lady Schick along with the clothes? Come on!

#93. Posted by: Amanda S. at November 9, 2006 3:52 PM

@ ransomjackson
>I propose a point for Mr. Eko as well. If he didn't get effed, I don't know who did.

Keen observation - I second the motion that Eko gets a point. Whadda ya think Mr. Tallyman Grimm? Oh, and add Shannon to the list (thanks Linda).
I propose a new acronym - WTLTMG? - what's the latest tally, Mr. Grimm. Whadda ya think, mac? Mr. Grimm will have to do all the work - we can kick back and relax, and ask the score at any time.

@ Stevo:

In 3 seasons, that's the first time someone actually said the "f" word. Not that we are a bunch of prudes here, but I think we are better off without it. Other posters use all sorts of imaginative words in lieu of it - effen friggin, etc. My 10 yearold grandson reads the blog sometimes and I'd not want him to see that. TIAFYC (thanks in advance for your cooperation)

#94. Posted by: ButchM at November 9, 2006 3:55 PM

Not only was "lift your eyes and look north" writen on the stick but the scripture reference below was from John. Just thougth that was cool too.

#95. Posted by: Aaron at November 9, 2006 4:02 PM

Hey all, Hookedonlost posted a great link under last week's "Cost of Living" -- http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx
Its an interview with the creators that talks about the story arc, and what to expect after the break. A must read. (Thanks, hookedonlost!)

#96. Posted by: lost chao at November 9, 2006 4:03 PM

Where's Saminator when we need him? I'm curiuos what he has to say about this ep!

#97. Posted by: Lee at November 9, 2006 4:16 PM

Can someone refresh my memory of why Ben was going through the jungle on the island when he was caught? Could he have been going to see "Jacob" and Jacob be among the other Losties?

#98. Posted by: Dan at November 9, 2006 4:16 PM

@Amanda - Hah -see my above comments about Kate's pits.

#99. Posted by: Connie at November 9, 2006 4:32 PM

If Kate was starting to make out with Sawyer and she raised her arms to take her shirt off and revealed that she had harry pits, I would have puked. I don't care how "real" it is that she doesn't have hair under her arms. That's the way it should be, cleanly shaved. I'm sorry, there's only so much I'm willing to give up for the sake of reality. :)

#100. Posted by: Dudelost at November 9, 2006 4:40 PM

I think Jacob is "Him". Sort of like Voldemort.

Too bad Nathan Filion couldn't be used for more than one episode unless he is in some flashback where he is persuing Kate and helps get her out of the country. He did get to use one of his biggest acting skills which is falling down unconscious whihc I believe he did in every other episode of "Firefly", usually from getting punched out. :)

As long as we get to propose new names and aconyms, I propose Pikkaulo for the two new redshirts. Just like the airy lightweight instrument, which is what they have brought to the show. Unless Ian Anderson shows up, I don't think there will be any argument on that one.

Since the Others who are clearing the area don't seem to have any interest in talking to Kate and Sawyer, I am going to assume that they are real Others. I think it's obvious they are preparing a landing site for something. A helicopter visit from Jacob/Him? Desmond's girlfriend? Alvar Hanso? A new area for a food drop since the Beachgoers have taken the first one?

Perhaps Rousseau, Benry and the Others are much older than we thought. Has the island or some other experiment stopped their aging process? That would explain why they are anxious to acquire children: to see the process which allows them to grow and age and why it stops. It would also explain their I Love the 60s soundtrack, it was the music they grew up with. It does not explain the Pulp Fiction reference though.

#101. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at November 9, 2006 4:42 PM

After watching this episode, I think I’ve finally nailed (unintentional pun) down why I haven’t enjoyed these first episodes more. Personally, I am not into ‘torture’ scenarios be it via physical or mental means, and these episodes have been the epitome of the word extreme.

One definition of torture is: the deliberate, systematic, or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons in an attempt to force another person to yield information or to make a confession or for any other reason.

Sawyer and Kate have absolutely given in to the situation; sure Sawyer had the snuff scared out of him. But with the kind of life he (professional con man) and Kate (professional fugitive) lived you would think they would have more gumption.

Since captivity Kate has lost all will to fight, how many times in these six episodes has she been man-handled because she couldn’t make a fist or run when the opportunity presented itself. It’s odd but Kate goes from being “I am woman hear me roar” To someone scared of ALL the others. What happened to the master manipulator fugitive? Not that she could take Juliet, because Juliet looks like she has a little muscle going for her. But why wouldn’t she TRY a little smack down, even Sawyer gave into his base urge and pop Benry one.

Several years ago I heard a radio DJ ask the stations male audience the following question: Who would you like to be trapped on an island with? 99% of the men said Angelina Jolie. After hours of listening, one lone guy called and said ‘Serena Williams’ everyone at the station mocked him about his choice.

His answer was a common man perception on life. He wanted someone who could be a life partner. Someone who could help him cut down a tree and make a home out of the extreme environment, not someone standing around looking pretty and useless, while he did the manual labor. Kate has gone from being an aggressive helper to passive decoration.

While Sawyer makes tentative forays into the fight arena, they are best half-hearted. So he got played by Benry, I really didn’t expected him to stop scheming and plotting some sort of revenge. To take the passive route of forced labor, random beating, mental torture, just because Benry got the upper hand in the game is just plain weird. I personally think anywhere on the island they are currently trapped on is better that his current accommodations. Just the random beatings alone Sawyer is taking are quite visually brutal, and for a professional conman, his and Kate’s inability to make common perceived observations is ridiculous.

Hence the scenes where Benry beats the snuff Sawyer, after he plays the foot in the water game with him and Jack looking and speaking to the camera over Kate’s shoulder.

Jack seems to be coming out of the prison camp mentally, yeah for him. He’s exhibiting sighs of a backbone, and some level of self preservation. With the level of mind games going on, it’s hard to fathom the number of mentally challenged oceanic passengers awaiting rescue. It’s been roughly been 3-4 months since the plane crashed. How many people have died from non plane related actions? Upon rescue will the castaways take a vow of silence?

Enough rambling, these are just my thoughts.

Next week’s article title: Don’t these people ever talk to each other?

#102. Posted by: Dana at November 9, 2006 4:49 PM

Okay... I've gone too far ;-)

Upon hearing the name Jacob, my first thought (I'm a complete Atheist BTW) was of the Biblical connection: Benjamin was the youngest son of Jacob.

So, I thought, let's Google "Jacob Linus" and see if anything interesting turns up. It didn't, but one of the searches turned up a list of names, with Jacob also spelt Jakob. Well, I Googled "Jakob Linus", and the first entry was http://www.alabamaears.org/successbefore2006.html

Jakob Linus is a bunny! And Ben keeps bunnies. True, Jakob doesn't look much like Bunny #8, but look at Peppermint just below Jakob in the link... spooky isn't it!

Seriously though, can I suggest that Jacob is Ben's twin. In S03E01, in the opening at Walden II, Ben is not actually addressed by name. 'Ben' orders Ethan and Goodwin to go and get the lists - if Ben were actually Jacob, then they would be Jacobs lists. Also, if Juliet had had a thing with Ben, and not invited him to the book club, wouldn't his twin also feel excluded?

This would also solve another point - in Walden II, we don't see any of the other Others who we have seen at Hydratraz. If there are two main Other encampments (WII and H), surely they would need two leaders to keep control. And, what better than twins, who can think and act in harmony?

In fact, let me make a prediction - Ben will die on the operating table. And, in a big dramatic episode sometime in 2007, Jacob will appear like a resurrection, and threaten the cleanliness of Jack's trousers ;-)


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Good Luck and Namaste = Locke's a Goddamn Tuna

#103. Posted by: Danny at November 9, 2006 4:51 PM

I thought last night's was a great episode--I was glad to see Jack finally become a man again and take charge of the situation. And any excuse to see Sawyer take his shirt off is fine with me! I also noticed Kate's clean-shaven pits, which while more aesthetically pleasing, did seem out of place with their dirty clothes, dirty skin and general stankiness.
I think that somehow Locke and Sayid will help to rescue Sawyer and Kate. It will be a long three months.
WGNATVS (we're gonna need another TV show--at least for 3 months)

#104. Posted by: Kathy at November 9, 2006 4:53 PM

Danny, I really, really like the Ben / Jakob twin theory. That, would be awesome!

#105. Posted by: Dudelost at November 9, 2006 5:00 PM

@Dana: Do you think that perhaps Kate has become more passive because of whatever happened to her after her breakfast on the beach with Benry? Just a thought...

#106. Posted by: Kathy at November 9, 2006 5:00 PM

@ ButchM
A 10 yearold!
watching lost?
and GRANDson?
i imagined you younger...

#107. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 9, 2006 5:08 PM

If you guys will recall from the frist episode of season 3 zeke told kate to have a shower which she did so maybe this explains the reason why she has cleanly shaven pits. If the others were nice enough to give her a shower with soap and shampoo and a clean dress why not a razor as well.
Any thoughts??

#108. Posted by: sawyer<3 at November 9, 2006 5:12 PM

@Kathy

You could be right. But for viewing pleasure, these episodes have been down right brutal as far as human nature goes. Maybe it’s because the 3 characters have been beaten down at the same time, it just comes off as extreme.

#109. Posted by: Dana at November 9, 2006 5:21 PM

I thought it was kinda funny that Nathan "Mal Reynolds" Fillion once again gets married to a woman who gives him a fake name and a fake history, then drugs him! I have to assume that was intentional casting!

(apologies to those of you who aren't familiar with "Firefly," as the above comment will make no sense).

@Amanda S, I thought the same thing about Kate's smooth-as-silk pits!

#110. Posted by: bunnyfiend at November 9, 2006 5:22 PM

@ Kaseygirl

I was on the island with the Losties and escaped. I am 114 years old because of the island's de-aging
process.

#111. Posted by: ButchM at November 9, 2006 5:24 PM

@ Danny
>In fact, let me make a prediction - Ben will die on the operating table. And, in a big dramatic episode sometime in 2007, Jacob will appear like a resurrection, and threaten the cleanliness of Jack's trousers ;-)

Buy me a beer if you're wrong?

Actually, it makes a heckuva lot of sense and could easily go that way.

#112. Posted by: ButchM at November 9, 2006 5:32 PM

Who's Jacob? Maybe he's Ben's boss, he mentioned there was someone he was taking orders from back when he was imprisoned on the hatch. The list they are talking to may very well be the list of people Michael was supposed to bring to the Others. Which would mean that Ben added Jack there for his own personal gain, but Jacob's list only had Kate and Sawyer there (I'm not counting Hurley since his only task was to deliver news about the kidnapping). So, why would this Jacob guy want to kidnap Kate and Sawyer?

#113. Posted by: sage at November 9, 2006 5:37 PM

Mac, thanks for your funniest review yet. Your "but Sawyer's soft spot for Kate is enormous (as is his not-so-soft spot..)" is hilarious. Jack is back, Sawyer has become a wimp, and Kate is still a mess. On a side note I wonder how Dominic Monaghan felt watching his future wife make-out with not one - but two actors -in this episode.

#114. Posted by: PAG at November 9, 2006 6:00 PM

@Cecil Rose : regarding Smokey the Monster - I had planned to wait until I had more to go on before posting my thoughts. But as we now have 12 weeks to survive with no new episodes (or mac’s awesome recaps), here’s my take on Smokey:

Smokey the Island Monster is a JINN (a.k.a. Djinn, jinni, genie) whose existence on the island predates Dharma, Hanso, Valenzetti, the deGroots, and even the four-toed statue (Which was possibly constructed to worship the Jinn?).

For those who do not know what a JINN is, the Wikipedia entry covers many of the basics.

Some of the characteristics of a Jinn do lend support to the idea that a Jinn (or Jinns) is a force on the Island.

- Jinn are beings much like humans, possessing free-will the ability to be good and bad. (free will is mentioned a lot this season)

- A Jinn's natural form is composed of fire or smoke although Jinn can appear in this world in the shape of any being.

- The JINN are NOT fallen angels. They were created from a smokeless flame of fire.

- In Islamic mythology, the JINN are said to be controllable by binding them to objects, known as a talisman - think Genie and a lamp. (Perhaps Smokey was bound by the electromagnetic properties of the Swan station? Or under control of the others?)

- Some say jinns live with other supernatural beings in the Kaf, mystical emerald mountains surrounding the earth. (The Island?)

- A person dying in a state of great sin may be changed into a jinni in the period of a separation.

- They often take on human and animal shapes to influence men to do good or evil. (A horse, Imaginary friend? Boone?)

- The JINN have led many people astray by appearing in the forms of righteous people who are dead. (Yemi?)

- They are quick to punish those who do not follow their many rules. (Eko?)

A couple of other recent developments that led me to the JINN idea :

- Submitting the name "Benjamin Linus" to the anagram server revealed that the word JINN appeared with the most frequency (by a longshot) of any word in all potential anagrams.

- I recently learned that the Patch guy in the hatch was played by Andrew Divoff of WishMaster (someone please confirm that) Never saw the movie from start to finish, but read somewhere that Wishmaster was a djinn.

Has anyone posted a similar take on Smokey? or has this already been debunked by the creators?

#115. Posted by: vacc at November 9, 2006 6:02 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet but have you looked at the screen underneath the one with Sawyer and Kate? Looks to me like a SUBMARINE! Maybe Jack can use that to get back to the other island.

#116. Posted by: MarcusG at November 9, 2006 6:02 PM

Let's not forget about the book _Bad Twin_...

Could the other laborers be the real "others"? The dirty feets? The HBO's? Perhaps....we should look back and see the condition of their feet as they work...

IPKCPT (I Prefer Kate's Clean Pits Too)

WGNABB!

#117. Posted by: Vikki at November 9, 2006 6:02 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet but have you looked at the screen underneath the one with Sawyer and Kate? Looks to me like a SUBMARINE! Maybe Jack can use that to get back to the other island.

#118. Posted by: MarcusG at November 9, 2006 6:03 PM

For your enjoyment, here’s a short “tongue-in-cheek” look at the back story/flashback of Smokey:

Many moons ago on an island far, far away, a man named “Jacob” “Dharma” built a small camp fire using paper from the comics section (it was Charlie “Ben,” who was playing football with “Linus.”). He added some magic magnetic dust from an experiment gone awry and POOF, a small wisp of smoke was born. It’s name was Smokey. It took to the woods like slop to a pig, and loved to wend its way swiftly thru the bushes and trees, especially when the wind produced a great “gale” or even just a “goodwin.”

Eventually it grew into a “hugo” mass but its brain did not develop with its size. It didn’t know “jack” about a “thinng,” did not even have a “klugh.” And it was lazy, preferring to drink “jin” and bask in the “sun” on “claire” days. It loved to smell the “roses,” which were on the other side of the river that it had to “ford.” Only one time did the river freeze over, but Smokey “kated” right across with little effort. Smokey loved to eat. His favorite was the “degroots” from the “yusef” tree, which he thought were very “yemi” He loved them “ethan” more than the “tom” berry bushes, which were full of “picketts.”

“Widmore” food, Smokey grew to an enormous size. For vacations (“vaccs,” as he called them), he often flew to “Nikki” Paulo,” Brazil (or was it Pikkaulo?), where he enjoyed the “PiecesofArzt” at the local museum.

Smokey was hanging around some bushes one day when a polar bear named “Vincent” mysteriously appeared and began to take a leak on him. Smokey looked up and said to himself, “Urine trouble now!” The polar bear had its own issues - for one thing it thought that it was European. Smokey quickly zipped thru the island and took refuge next to a “candle” in the “bernard” of a local “shephard.” Things looked mighty “grimm” for Smokey and he considered himself to be just a “silly girl” by the name of “Penelope” (he was a gay wisp). But there was no “locke” on the door of the barn and a mean Irish couple by the names of “Danny” and “Colleen,” blogged him unmercifully, thus Smokey’s screams “ekoed” throughout the island. The Irish folks’ daughter, “Shannon” and her husband, “mac,” (it was love at first sight - like Romeo and “Juliet”) “zeked” thru the tiny hole of the barn. When Shannon “sawyered” what her parents did to Smokey, she told mac and he “sayid” it too.

Prior to releasing Smokey, Shannon said, “Hey Yo” as she gave him her St. “Michael’s” necklace for good luck. Then mac ran away so fast that he got a “charlie” horse. Shannon yelled, “mac, won’t you please “walt” for me!” Smokey ruled over the island but never knew where he really was. Everywhere he went, whether thru the woods or down the “JoePike,” was deja vu, as if he had “boone” there before. He was merely a “dudelost” as whizzed around the island “hume”ing to himself, “When I’m alone and life is making me lonely, I can always kill, Eko.” He also enjoyed singing, “chao, chao, cha light come and me wanna go home.”

At night time, he would head for “Deep Cover” at “The Duf” cave because it had a cable television and he was “hookedonlost.” The ending is not pretty as Smokey turned out to be “forever_lost!”

:>) :>) :>) :>) :>) :>) :>)

#119. Posted by: ButchM at November 9, 2006 6:05 PM

@ButchM: Bravo! Smokey has been well served ;) -- mac

#120. Posted by: mac at November 9, 2006 6:13 PM

Great review Mac. You make make my Thursdays!

@ Cecil Rose - you wrote "Maybe no one outside the island KNOWS this (other, perhaps, than Mittelwerk, who for purposes of his own, is not telling), and therefore data and supplies continue to flow in to the island, but on a fixed schedule, and no communication in the opposite direction does (or can) take place. Thus the Others cannot request a surgeon, or a replacement for the defibrillator. They are technically without the means to ask (or to depart the island themselves). All this due to the secrecy Hanso felt necessary to set up in the first place."

The only part you left out is the fact that Juliet had a file on Jack. So, how could she get this information without requesting it? How would any information about the Losties get to the Others without someone requesting it? There must be two-way communication.

As we all know, Benry stated that he grew up on the island but it's clear that Juliet didn't. How would she get her education as a doctor? I personally think that they're twins and part of their sibling rivalry is that Juliet lived off the island and Ben didn't. That's why he's so pissy all the time.

Now about the Lists. Both Goodwin & Ethan had made lists but they're both dead. Clearly there was communication between Goodwin, Ethan & Benry regarding the lists because we saw that through Claires abduction and Benry's evil confession with Ana Lucia before he tried to kill her at the Hatch. Ms. Klugh made one list (Kate,Sawyer,Jack,Hurley) and presented it to Michael for his & Walt's freedom in exchange for Benry. So I'm a little confused when Zeke & Pickett discuss an entirely different list that didn't include Jack - alluding to the fact that Benry is using Jack for personal reasons (the operation). The Others Crew all were at the dock hooding Jack, Sawyer & Kate to be transported to "home" as Benry stated. So the presentation of the List in this episode bugs me! My question is who is Jacob (can't be Ethan or Goodwin) and where is his list, who's on it and why?

You know, something else is bothering me too. This evil twin stuff. I really believe that Ben & Juliett are twins. But I also recall in season two at the Talies camp, one of the "Others" who was killed by Eko was Asian. In "Live Together, Die Alone", Kate shot and killed an Asian guy in the jungle while on the way to the Others camp. Either there are multiple sets of twins or the producers are using the same extra's or my headache is getting the best of me. Like Sawyer says "it's all in the details".

-amelia

#121. Posted by: amelia at November 9, 2006 6:17 PM

Kate's backstory in 'I Do' served another purpose - to explain why she chose Sawyer over Jack.
Kate thinks she should be attracted to the 'good guys' - cops and doctors like Kevin and Jack.
In reality, it is the 'bad guys' that do it for her...that's why all of her attempts to 'settle down' have failed. Kate is drawn to a life of danger and, therefore, to men who fit into this model. Even the Marshall knew Kate wouldn't be able to settle into this safe life of taco nights and trips to cabo - that's why he made her the deal.

#122. Posted by: steve-o at November 9, 2006 6:47 PM

Kate needs to start really kicking tail. No more kicking tail in flashbacks, we need to see her grab a shovel and smash the heck outta somebody who once put a gun to her head. Paging Zeke, Kate wants to see you in the garden supply isle!

#123. Posted by: Jim at November 9, 2006 6:48 PM

Kate had laser hair removal long ago. Being on the run leaves little time for shaving, so it was a convenient option she hasn't regretted.

#124. Posted by: AB at November 9, 2006 8:21 PM

Just one quick thing to add (sure I probably missed it in the comments above). The "Turn your eyes to the north" inscription had a bible citation below that said something like "John 3:__" I know Locke saw the inscription and knew it was a personal message of some some, but was wondering if any or you biblical scholars out there know what this passage in the bible is referencing in its original context?

#125. Posted by: Rob at November 9, 2006 8:23 PM

DO NOT TRUST JULIET.

Think about this: If she and some of the Others "want a change" so bad, they don't need Jack to help them. Ben is going to die in a couple weeks from his tumor. Why not just wait it out? There must be something else going on.

#126. Posted by: Jason at November 9, 2006 9:02 PM

Great review, mac!

I agree that Jacob is probably Ethan's last name.

Also, I bet a big twist thats coming is that Benry is the good guy and that Juliet is Evil. I mean, Ben has said that he's started to believe in God and Sawyer said that Juliet would shoot Kate without a second thought.

#127. Posted by: Tailie at November 9, 2006 9:24 PM

One thing i noticed was Jack's build up to his refusal to do Ben's surgery, I think Jack "wanted Ben to want the surgery". I think he planned to hold "Ben and his Kidney" (good one Mac!) hostage from the git-go. His refusing kate's plea was all part of it. Jack guessed that Ben was always watching (hence Juilet's flash cards). I don't think Jack anticipated Kate's visit or his short escape to the observation room, only to see Kate & Sawyer. I think he just used the moment Ben walked in to announce that he had decided to do the surgery. I also think when he saw "the Dharma Porno-cam" pictures he decided that he wasn't going to escape, but Kate could...
well I guess we'll see NEXT YEAR...
Thanks for the reviews Mac!

#128. Posted by: Matt at November 9, 2006 9:58 PM

This might seem a trivial point, but how could Kate's marriage be legally valid in the first place if the marriage license didn't even have her real name on it? And yes, good point about how she got across the pacific to Australia in the first place without a passport. (Of course, she did display some skill at altering identification documents in S1 when she melted the picture on Joanna's passport.)

@ButchM: Awesome job! Very funny and entertaining....but I didn't see "Trinity" anywhere. :(

WGNABB! TTWN! GAFRAM! YATKOALER! WTLTMG? IPKCPT! WGNATVS! WGNAE! BCS (Bear Cage Sex)! WGNABHDTKTOATILNA(We're Gonna Need A Bigger Hard Drive To Keep Track Of All These Insanely Long New Anagrams!)

#129. Posted by: Trinity at November 9, 2006 10:07 PM

@ Trinity

You must be blind, kiddo. It was there all along - check it out:

“Widmore” food, Smokey grew to an enormous size. For vacations (“vaccs,” as he called them), he often flew to “Nikki” Paulo,” Brazil (or was it Pikkaulo?), where he enjoyed the “PiecesofArzt” at the local museum.

The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost led him to the museum - must I spell the name out? Okay, it's Trinity.

Sing to "Oh Christmas Tree":

Oh Trinity, oh Trinity
How lovely are thou postings.

Peace, my friend :>)

#130. Posted by: ButchM at November 9, 2006 10:27 PM

Mac - like yourself, I was really excited that Nathan Fillion was making a guest appearance on Lost. Firefox/Serenity were awesome, and his portrayal of Captain Mal was fantastic!

In any case - what a waste! The character dubbed "Kevin" could have been played by a rock! I guess one can only hope thatthis was a stepping stone for some future appearance that would have more meat....

I think this is what made Kate's backstory painful - what more can we learn about her? Mr. Grimm - I'm not even certain if I believe her devotion to Sawyer. If the situation was different, she likely would have shagged Jack - heck - maybe at some point she still will!

And WTF - When Jack is telling her to take off, would she not have the common sense to tell him they are on a different island, especially when he is insisting that they leave?

I think the Kate/Swayer hook up was rigged.
Ben is aware that Kate can climb out - the lock must have not been fully closed (or something like that) on purpose. All part of the master plan to get Jack to operate.

After watching this episode, I can't help but think about the significance of the hoods the others place on captives when they are transporting them. At first, I thought they used this so the captives would not see each other, (ie the scene when the horns are blowing, while Jack was transported),
but I that is only a part of it. What is it that they do
not want them to see? It must be important.

I'm beginning to suspect that there is an underground tunnel connecting the two islands. A portion of this is the area where Jack is held captive - which is underwater. The Others put the hoods on
so they are not aware of the tunnel to the other island. If this turns out to be true, it would be a nasty con that Ben pulled on Sawyer, convincing
him that there is no escape by showing the main island.

I do gotta say - they did a good job building up suspense, and it did feel like they were going to off Sawyer. They had hyped up this episode - maybe that is what made me think the producers
would do something like that. But alas....

And since I've dabbled in predicting the future, why not one more jab? I think that all the kids are around Dharmaworld on the other island. Hence why Picket was surprised that Alex was on the loose - ie How did she sneak through tunnel?

That's my rant....

#131. Posted by: Shikotee at November 9, 2006 10:33 PM

I have a feeling this weeks captoin i not going to be x rated,"hence" the "sex-in-a-cage, now Sawer scented with a touch of Kate"

#132. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 9, 2006 10:34 PM

Greetings. Great job as always Mac. I've turned all my Lost co-workers on to your blog.

RE:

"Lift up your eyes and look North," it reads.

A twinkle sparks to life in Locke's eyes. It's a clue! The inscription is a clue!

Haven't I heard somewhere that the Alcatraz island is beleived to be to the north of the main island? Might the Jesus stick be pointing Locke to his old friends Jack, Kate and Sawyer?

#133. Posted by: ark lostfan at November 9, 2006 10:59 PM

Greetings. Great job as always Mac. I've turned all my Lost co-workers on to your blog.

RE:

"Lift up your eyes and look North," it reads.

A twinkle sparks to life in Locke's eyes. It's a clue! The inscription is a clue!

Haven't I heard somewhere that the Alcatraz island is beleived to be to the north of the main island? Might the Jesus stick be pointing Locke to his old friends Jack, Kate and Sawyer?

#134. Posted by: ark lostfan at November 9, 2006 10:59 PM


"Viagra-laced fish biscuits"

ha

#135. Posted by: nina at November 10, 2006 12:11 AM

Where's my shout out too, ButchM? Hidden between the lines along with Trinity's? Or did you mean to use "Vikki" but accidentally write "Nikki"???

:)

#136. Posted by: Vikki at November 10, 2006 7:53 AM

@ButchM:

Great post on Smokey - LOL.

@vacc:

I read your theory regarding Smokey and I just want to say that I found it very original, by which I mean it's the first time I've seen someone put that theory forward, and it actually seems plausible. Bravo ! ! !

I do have one other thing to point out. For some time we have been wondering if the Others are original DHARMA recruits, test subjects gone bad, or something else entirely. I think it might be a little bit of each. Let me explain: Tom is possibly an original DHARMA recruit, back in the S2 ep "The Hunting Party" when he confronts Jack, Sawyer, and Locke in the clearing he says, "A man alot smarter than anybody here once said, Since the dawn of time man has been blessed with curiosity" or something along those lines, I couldn't find the original transcript of the episode. My point is that what Tom quoted was from the Hanso Fooundation commercials from season 2. The commercials always started with that quote.

Now you might be saying, "And?". Well, it makes sense that an original believer of the DHARMA initiative, someone who was a part of the cause, would know Alvar's key quote. I believe Tom was originally part of the DHARMA group. Does that mean that they all are? No. And there seems to have been a schism caused within the original group, you had Kelvin living in the Swan pushing the button and he freely admitted to Desmond about having joined the DHARMA Initiative, and the n you have the group at Walden II.

Hmmmmmmm - I wonder what originally happened to the D.I. to cause it to fail?

#137. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at November 10, 2006 7:53 AM

Great recap Mac...I do not have much to add since everyone has done a great job reviewing this episode.

The one thing am I wondering is are they in the future because you look at Ben and he is an older Clay Aiken. Look at him with glasses he becomes a dead ringer.

Also look at Bens shirts, they are right off the rack at Banana Republic. Is there a mall on that island somewhere?

#138. Posted by: D Ral at November 10, 2006 8:35 AM

@ Vikki

Yes, yes, I meant to say "Vikki Paulo," Brazil. Thanks for catching that for me :>)

#139. Posted by: ButchM at November 10, 2006 9:08 AM

Great review Mac as always!

I am not sure that Kate believes Sawyer when he tells her there is no where to go. Maybe that's why she doesn't mention it to Jack, she wants to run and see for herself.

I also think that Kate is hedging her bets, meaning that she is not willing to make a strong-arm move until she knows she can get out/away/whatever.

She is rather upset with Sawyer for giving up, though. She wanted him to look his would be killer in the eyes rather then kneeling on the ground.

I really like the Djinn theory I read too. Good thinking as it really fits with the Smoke monster. I bid 10,000 quatloos that this is the right theory.

I looked up the actual passage John 3:05 that was on the Jesus stick, it reads: Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So it doesn't say anthing about looking North. John 3:05 is what I thought the inscription was, but if anyone saw something different let me know, because it is not normal to see a verse displayed as John 3:05, it would just read John 3:5. Hmmmmmm.....

Waiting in Lost purgatory,
Chim

#140. Posted by: Chimowicz at November 10, 2006 9:38 AM

@ButchM

Loved the Smokey story...you must tell wonderful stories to your grandchildren! Thanks!

#141. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 10, 2006 9:47 AM

I notice something while watching this episode and would like to know if anyone else can confirm it. When Kate and Sawyer are at the work site there was a guy working near Sawyer wearing a green shirt that looked a lot like the "tailie" killed by Goodwin. His name was Nathan and was the guy Ana put in the pit. He is the second guy Alex hit with a rock. This may be nothing but we all know that sometimes the writers like to hide detail in the background. If it was him how is he now alive?

Also I believe all the other workers are "Others, because they were not told to get on the ground when Alex comes through.

#142. Posted by: michael at November 10, 2006 10:05 AM

Great Review

I'm not sure how much you've addressed this Ben tumor issue. I was under the impression the island has some sort healing power. So how does Ben have a tumor that going to kill him? Is this part of Jack's master plan of flipping the balance of power? Do the Others not know of the island's healing power? Locke can walk, Rose's cancer is gone, Sun is pregnant and Locke's broken leg healed in like one week.

#143. Posted by: RJW22 at November 10, 2006 10:22 AM

Re the Bible quote, it is in fact from Genesis:

Gen 13:14 says "Lift up your eyes and look north, south, east and west..."

Wonder what the significance of "3:05" is...

AESOTFA

JimB

#144. Posted by: JimB at November 10, 2006 10:36 AM

There is a gap between the moment Kate leaves the cage and gets to Jack -

1)why didn't we see the scene that Kate gets tutored for what she has to say to Jack? I would say she went straight from the cage to where Jack is...

2)How come she new Ben by the name of Ben when she described the story to Sawyer? (surgery, Jack etc.)

I think Kate for some reason has sided with the Others, and she is part of their game.

C U february

rock on

#145. Posted by: ChrisG at November 10, 2006 10:45 AM

Time for the penultimate whack-job theory of the year…

Alvar Hanso IS the black cloud/the island.

Through scientific experimentation gone awry, he's gone off the deep end, and like Jeff Goldblum in The Fly he's converted himself into the "next stage of human development."

He is the self-appointed judge of right and wrong, the "per-sand-ification" of the Force ("It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us and binds the galaxy together.") if you will. He takes out those who he feels have done "bad", and rewards those who do "good." That explains Ben's insistence (when he was Henry) that he is good, that Locke is "…one of the good ones…", why Eko was offed, AND the disappearance of the Great Altruist. And since he can change into anything he wants, Benny and the Jets (aka The Others) never know if they are talking to HIM or not. So, to paraphrase an old Christmas carol, "You better be good, you better watch out, you better not watch Kate and Ford bumping nasties, you better not pout…"

Another shower theory…good as any until the writers prove me wrong.

ButchM - Loved the Smokey story...even if I wasn't in it. :-(

#146. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 10, 2006 10:45 AM

@vacc
@ransomjackson
Wow -- great smokey theories.

@ButchM
Kudos for your community building prose.

@mac
As CecilRose says, it's your organization of points and storyline that make each episode easier to follow. Also, as I missed the entire 1st season, I need those tie-in's and subtle connections you clue us in on.
All hail TOTB (The One True Blog)!

#147. Posted by: lost chao at November 10, 2006 10:58 AM

I am not sure how but I think that Sawyer and Kate will find their way back to camp. There has to be a way between the two island (or they are not two islands). There wouldn't be much of a show if they can't get back.

#148. Posted by: Melissa at November 10, 2006 11:06 AM

@ ButchM
Absolutely loved your Smokey story! (Don't you think Smokey liked bunnies too?)

@ vacc
JINN theory - verrrrrry interesting...

#149. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 10, 2006 11:35 AM

I think the point of Kate's backstory was to show that she had lost to many people to fully love Sawer.
I think she wants to love him,and can't bear to lose anyone else...
Then again,i'm probably just an overley emotional women...

#150. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 10, 2006 11:46 AM

Isnt it possible that there is only one island and that the Alcatraz is just jetting out from the main island?
Probably not...

#151. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 10, 2006 11:50 AM

http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-news/jeff-jensen-imparts-a-theory.php#more

Check this out....any thoughts?

#152. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 10, 2006 12:54 PM

I found this on thetailsection.com

"While Pickett was leaving Ben's surgery to go kill Sawyer he says that "Shephard" wasn't even on "Jacob's" list. Ethan's real name was definitely Ethan. We saw this both in Tale of Two Cities, and Maternity Leave. However, also in Maternity leave we witnessed Tom, A.K.A Mr. Friendly A.K.A Zeke, hassle Ethan over not generating his list yet.


Maternity Leave shows us what happened immediately before "Homecoming", the season one episode where Claire returned to camp and Charlie ultimately killed Ethan. The span of time was one day.


The ONLY logical conclusion is that Jacob and Ethan are two different people, and that Jacob infiltrated the 815'rs sometime after Ethan was killed. Which means, there is still an other amongst them. (I vote Paulo! Let's kill him!)"

(slow day at work today...)

#153. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 10, 2006 1:01 PM

I was wondering if NIKKI is Jacob. Perhaps he didn't say "Jacob's list," but instead said "Jacobs' list." Maybe her name is Nikki Jacobs. The producers did say that we would be surprised at who Nikki really is. Just a thought.

#154. Posted by: AB at November 10, 2006 1:25 PM

Ethan was told off by Tom for not making a list so we can safely rule him out and Ethan' second names was Rom.

I don't know why people think the Jacob is an high ranking Other, Pickett could of referred to Goodwin.
Goodwin is almost certainly is last name so I thinks his first name is Jacob, would make sense as he is|was the only other known Other to have infiltrated the survivors.

Pickett might not have known which camp Jack was from, Pickett could just have made his statement judgeing on Goodwin's list of the Tailies.

I doubt Nikki is infiltrating them because they would have checked on the manifest.

#155. Posted by: maestr06 at November 10, 2006 1:38 PM

Here's another hyperlink to a very interesting article from EW.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1556185_3||1045714_0_,00.html

#156. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 10, 2006 1:57 PM

Mac, another amazing review. You always seem to notice the things I miss, and your descriptions are hilarious. "His eyes grow dark as he stares at the bank of television monitors through his evil round glasses."

Evil round glasses... LOL.

Can't wait till February!

#157. Posted by: James at November 10, 2006 2:01 PM

Thanks, ButchM....I figured it was just a typo...."Vikki/Nikki," they're very close ;)

I thoroughly enjoyed your story!

#158. Posted by: Vikki at November 10, 2006 2:07 PM

Another thought on Jack not being on Jacob's List :

Before Goodwin was "outed" and killed by AL, he said that he killed Nathan because "he wasn't a good person - that's why he wasn't on the list."

(Hey... could it be Santa and his Naughty-Nice list?)

Taking that one step further, if Jack wasn't on the list, that could mean he wasn't viewed as a good person by the others.

That said, I believe Pickett's remark about Benry putting his life in the hands of someone who wasn't even on the list was a pointed criticism of Ben for putting his trust in a person their leader didn't deem worthy...

I like the idea that "another other" has infiltrated the camp - would be an excellent twist - unlikely though, since they accounted for everyone but Ethan when Hurley took an inventory of the Losties.

#159. Posted by: vacc at November 10, 2006 2:10 PM

SillyGirl...I just read that article (you're right...it was very good) and must admit, extremely embarrassedly mind you, that I have forgotten which of the Others Sawyer killed. Can someone help me out? If this article is correct, the renegade group of Others wants eye-for-an-eye revenge for those who have killed one of them, citing the list as: Charlie, Sawyer and AL....but I can't remember which one Sawyer killed. And why isn't Sun on that list?

#160. Posted by: Vikki at November 10, 2006 2:14 PM

One thing I can't get past....why did Smokey have it out for Eko, and what seemed to be only Eko? I mean, don't get me wrong, the guy had what you could call a very checkered past. Given that he somewhat justified it during his "non-confession" to "Yemi", it still doesn't make any of his serious crimes okay. But, on the other hand, he wasn't the only survivor with a secret to hide. If Smokey wants to "get" the people on the "bad list," why not go after Kate, who is also a murderer (again, with reason....if there is such a thing), or Sawyer, who, IMHO, seems to be the survivor with the least conscience about his conning crimes (at least according to his backstory)?

I guess what I am getting at, and maybe this comment better belongs in last week's forum, is that something is still bugging at me about Eko's death, like there is so much more to uncover and learn by Smokey's actions. Why Eko out of all of them? Why?

#161. Posted by: Vikki at November 10, 2006 2:21 PM

Maybe they did something to Kate similar to what they did to Sawyer - told her they implanted some sort of device that she can't tell Sawyer about or they will do it to him (not realizing that they already have). She obviously doesn't have the beeping watch (btw - why hasn't that gone off recently...) but she may have something else we haven't been privy to. This could very easily have happened after breakfast with Benry.

#162. Posted by: howcurious at November 10, 2006 2:27 PM

@Vikki

Why did Smokey have it in for Mr. Eko? I can think of a few possibilities :

1) He punished Eko because he failed to do what he was asked to do - Press the Button. He went to all the trouble to lure him away from building his church to get him to Press that button.

2) Because Eko learned something and wanted to kill him before he could tell the others (but not before he could carve it into his Jesus Stick)

3) Enforcement of the stiffened DUI penalties on the Island

(btw. I knew all along it was really YOU in the Smokey story!!)

#163. Posted by: vacc at November 10, 2006 2:32 PM

"AL....but I can't remember which one Sawyer killed. And why isn't Sun on that list"-- Posted by: Vikki at November 10, 2006 02:14 PM

I don't remmeber Sawyer killing an "Other", he did kill the man he had been con into believe was the "Sawyer" that con his Mother. Unless the Polar Bear was an "Other" that he killed

Other killed Who did the kiiling
Ethan Rom Charlie
Goodwin Ana
Girl Other Ana
Two male others Eko
Collene Sun

#164. Posted by: michael at November 10, 2006 2:36 PM

Who did Sawyer kill?

If one of the last episode of season 2, Michael is leading them to the others camp. They see movement across a stream and fire. They killed one other, could have been Sawyers shot. They then outed (lanced) Michael for leading them into a trap.

#165. Posted by: John at November 10, 2006 2:45 PM

@ ransomjackson

Penultimate is my favorite word in the whole world. My twin grand daughters are the only kids in the 2nd grade who know that it means "next to last" (probably the whole elementary school).

I actually tried to get your name in the Smokey story but it was hard and I gave up too soon. Sorry.

#166. Posted by: ButchM at November 10, 2006 3:30 PM

Personally, I’m not believing in anything until it has been officially denied.

#167. Posted by: ButchM at November 10, 2006 3:43 PM

Can you Lost experts answer something for me?

Pickett says "Shepard wasn't on Jacob's list". And I know when the plane initially crashed Ben said he wanted lists in 3 days. So, what are the lists? Are they for people who are "good", to be kidnapped and assimilated into the Others? Are the lists just lists of names for the Others to then research to see if they have any valuable characteristics, worth kidnapping? Or are the lists so the Others can determine, after research, which ones should die. (Kinda the opposite of Schindler's List -- you're on the list you live.)

Just curious...

@ransomjackson -- great link w/interesting theories.

#168. Posted by: lost chao at November 10, 2006 3:54 PM

Wasnt it Charlie who killed the Other?wasnt he mad cuz they kidnapped him and clair and killed that unnamed person?

#169. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 10, 2006 4:22 PM

ever since Ben first came ontothe show his face has always bugged me.its has a wierd yellow-ness to it, like its infected...

#170. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 10, 2006 4:27 PM

If Nikki was jacob that would be trajic...

#171. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 10, 2006 4:31 PM

In live together die alone Kate was like..there two of them following us...im gonna turn the tables on them..she said this to sawyer then her and sawyer started shooting at the two others and sawyer shot on of them and he died..

#172. Posted by: evan at November 10, 2006 6:40 PM

@Vacc, Michael, John, Evan....thanks for your insights and info....very helpful indeed!

#173. Posted by: Vikki at November 10, 2006 6:47 PM

@maestro - Your English is getting great! Are you Italian?

@sillygirl - Great sting - implying ButchM is a grandpa - he may be, we have no idea! :) But, remeber he was banished...:)

@Vikki - see, I was the first to confuse the names...maybe you really ARE her!...:)

I am hoping that there will be a lot of back story fill in on the spots we don't know about Kate, Sawyer and the Others.

I was off today, but hopefully when I am back at work I will have more time to read and post...yet, I vow to be more productive!!!

#174. Posted by: meg at November 10, 2006 7:08 PM

Great recap, as always, I'm confused though!

Can someone please tell me what's happened to Jin and Sun? Did I miss something? My last memory is Sun being left on the boat whilst Sayid and Jin were on shore. They then heard the gunshot as Sun shot Colleen.

I've seen no sign on Sun or Jin since, but noticed that Sayid is happily wandering round with Locke!

Did I miss somehing???

And will we ever find out what happened to Cindy?? What was the point of her character?

#175. Posted by: Schmoking D at November 10, 2006 8:11 PM

Jin & Sun are off in the boonies making with the horizontal as they are operating (no, not on Ben's sac) under the incorrect assumption that they are in the running to be included in Mr. Grimm's Island Hook-up Championship.

Popping caps gets those two in the mood faster than Viagra Fish Biscuits and a plate of oysters.

#176. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 10, 2006 8:37 PM

@vacc

>Has anyone posted a similar take on Smokey? or has this already been debunked by the creators?

The only problem is that the writers have 'guaranteed' that everything on the island has a logical, rational explanation - no magic, supernatural, aliens, allegories, dreams, etc.

#177. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 11, 2006 2:29 AM

@amelia

>The only part you left out is the fact that Juliet had a file on Jack. So, how could she get this information without requesting it? How would any information about the Losties get to the Others without someone requesting it? There must be two-way communication.

Well, Juliet *said* she had a file. We didn't get to see it. But I'm not sure that even if she had one that rules out the one-way information theory. If the data feed is wide enough, perhaps full information on nearly everything is available.

#178. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 11, 2006 2:32 AM

@ButchM

>Penultimate is my favorite word in the whole world. My twin grand daughters are the only kids in the 2nd grade who know that it means "next to last" (probably the whole elementary school).

Here's another good one. Antipenultimate. Next to next to last.

#179. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 11, 2006 2:36 AM

@meg

No sting intended....tsk,tsk....if you had read ButchM's posts you'd know he is indeed a grandparent! I was just complimenting his story telling abilities!

IGBALTW (it's gonna be a long thirteen weeks)

#180. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 11, 2006 9:32 AM

@ Sillygirl0630

Hi!

Uh .. so you're a Lost junkie, too.

Uh ... you have nice shoes.

Uh ... well ... see you around some time.

#181. Posted by: Sillyboy0630 at November 11, 2006 11:01 AM

@ Cecil Rose
>Here's another good one. Antipenultimate. Next to next to last.

My gawd, a new favorite word! Are you serious? My dictionary is an antique so wasn't in it.

CR, I have asked this relatively easy question of 6 or 7 people and none of them could answer it. I belive that you can. I must lead up to the question. I swim 54 laps (3/4 of a mile) at the YMCA every day, Monday thru Friday. I've been doing this for 10 years now. While swimming, I think of all sorts of crazy things. One day on my 53rd lap, I said, "This is my penultimate lap."

A few days later, I realized something really unique. So here is the question.
How can I swim 3 consecutive "penultimate" laps?

#182. Posted by: ButchM at November 11, 2006 11:17 AM

@ Sillygirl0630

Seems you have an admirer

@ meg
>@sillygirl - Great sting - implying ButchM is a grandpa - he may be, we have no idea! :) But, remeber he was banished...:)

I don't get the last line ... "remember, he was banished."


#183. Posted by: ButchM at November 11, 2006 11:20 AM

@ButchM I's just not that good at keeing up with who posted what! I need to keep a log or something...:) I thought you were banished to the bottom of the escalator for the battery comment. It was on another blog here. Probably someone else. Sorry!

But, back to Lost...mac enjoys it when we stay on topic. I just don't believe that there really is a reasonable explanation for Smokey, hallucinations, dead people coming back, etc. I think that comment was a rick to get us in the wrong direction.

#184. Posted by: meg at November 11, 2006 11:58 AM

when Jack said to Kate "when you are safe repeat to me the story I told you on the beach". Do we know what that story was?????????????????

#185. Posted by: dantheman at November 11, 2006 12:06 PM

when Jack said to Kate "when you are safe repeat to me the story I told you on the beach". Do we know what that story was?????????????????

#186. Posted by: dantheman at November 11, 2006 12:07 PM

@ meg

Aha, now me sees the light. I think someone did say I was banished to the bottom of the escalator. Heck, you don't need to take notes, you have a good memory.

By the way, here is what Eko whispered to Locke just before perishing:

"Life is a sham. Death in it's many shapes and forms, now there's variety!"

And to himself, Locke thought, "I will be so miserable without you, it will be almost like having you here."

#187. Posted by: ButchM at November 11, 2006 12:15 PM

Having been out of town for a few days, it is interesting to come back to MAC’s Recap and the comments on Thursday night’s episode. I find it interesting that after last week’s episode that inspired almost 400 comments throughout the ENTIRE week, this episode, flaunted about as the “all your questions will be answered fall finale”, has only elicited barely half the amount.

Was it because, yes, everybody feels fully informed about the situation? Or is it like me, having just watched the episode for the second time, I am getting to the point of “ho-hum, this is starting to bore me....” There just wasn’t enough there to get the comment juices going.

It appears that it’s more exciting to talk about “vocabulary words” than a show that’s kept us on the edge of our chairs for two years! Wow, what’s happened?

True, Jack’s opening “cut to the quick” nailer, “You won’t have to worry long” to Ben was about the edgiest, most ruthless dialogue in two seasons, five episodes! The venom practically oozed out of my TV set!
Great line! And certainly, the last ten minutes were tense, but still not as heart stopping as those few moments when Michael went on his killing rampage in the hatch! This ending, for all it’s JACK IN CHARGE-ness, was fairly predictable . . . I mean, was anybody REALLY surprised? It was cool, mind you, but I felt like “ho-hum, we’ve all been here before in some show or another . . “ I certainly didn’t feel that way when the hatch disintegrated before our eyes last season! All I could think was, “This just can’t be happening!”

And Kate’s backstory? Ok, it’s about the poor little girl who just can’t seem to get truly lucky with love . . . And perhaps, Sawyer, seemingly not long for this earth, is her one last chance for at least a perilous moment of happiness in time. But alas, because of the overplay of THE MOMENT in the previews, K & S’s coupling was reduced to . . . comments about her obviously shaved underarms!

We obviously are not exactly ENTHRALLED with the season so far!

I think the first six weeks have been disappointing. And I’m really sorry to say that. Because I really like this show, but it’s getting much two scattered. Like many of you, I want to know more about the folks back on the beach. I can’t imagine, with three of the “top guns” of the marooned group kidnapped; the hatch with all it’s wonderment destroyed; a sailboat that many considered perhaps a vehicle for escape or at least, discovery, pirated; the by now, obvious betrayal of Michael and the deaths he was responsible for; Sayid, Jin and Sun’s unsuccessful search for their friends; and Eko’s death . . . How are we expected to believe that it’s “life as normal in paradise” back on the beach!!!!

Like someone wrote earlier, “don’t these people talk to one another!?!”

When the producers of LOST first advanced this “Six Week Mini-series” and a second season of no repeats, it seemed like a piece of programming genius! But, that was because the “mini-series” was SUPPOSED to be a complete story cycle. But it has been, as one blogger on another site said, simply “representative” . . The final “cliffhanger” was no more or no less the proportion of a “weekly” cliffhanger. I think, now, it would be better if we just kept going. And lived with the repeats in the spring.

I just want all the gaps filled!

I’ve enjoyed reading many of the speculations for the future in this comment blog. I especially like the thought that maybe one of those new kids might be the SINISTER GRANDDADDY BAD OTHER . . . especially if it turns out to be sweet Nikki. (But of course, I’m not ruling out Mrs. Kugh from the village . . . . She seemed to be VERY MUCH in charge . . . . )

And Smokey? I think we’ll just wear ourselves out trying to speculate an answer for that thing. It will probably turn out to the the Other’s Community Theater fog machine that went terribly amuck during the island’s production of “On the Waterfront” . . .


But like the rest of us, I guess I’m stuck taping 13 weeks of “Groundhog Day with Blood” just to catch the LOST promos. Hopefully they will keep my ardor for this show heightened. And in two months, I can tune in, thinking of something besides Kate’s armpits as the highlight of the season so far!

#188. Posted by: Davidrh at November 11, 2006 1:06 PM

davidrh here.

CORRECTION: That would be "Wednesday" night's show. Don't want it to appear that I live in the Siberian timezone.

#189. Posted by: Davidrh at November 11, 2006 1:16 PM

I think pretty much everything that has happened with the others, with the exeption of Collen's death and dannys pisstivity at said death, has been one of ben's plans. Think about it, even alex telling kate that sawyer was going to get killed in the morning only ensured that they would do the horizontal mombo. And, if that was alex on the intercom, then she probably let jack out to see the two of them knowing that jack would be more likely to want of the island if the door closed on the whole kate love triangle. It makes sense, i mean if alex was taken as a baby she has been raised there her whole life, what reason would she have to go against them.
I never really bought ben's sudden change of temperment when he told jack that his plan had gone the way of the dinosaurs. I think that admission and the supposed anguish ben was feeling was all part of his even more elaborate plan. It probably even stared when ben first got captured by sayid. He would play at beeing a super bas ass (which i think he is even more than we think), then suddenly oops you accidently found out i had cancer, now im a sissy. Ther has to be some elaborate double cross. I cant wait till february.
At least there is still battle star galactica, and jerico, oh yea dont forget heroes, and smallville. Ah screw it theres too much to watch as it is, im sure the time will fly by.

#190. Posted by: cory at November 11, 2006 1:25 PM

Did someone say that Eko scored a point?
If so, when and where (and where was I)?

#191. Posted by: Yummy at November 11, 2006 1:34 PM

@davidrh

You speak the truth. I must admit that I usually skip the longer posts, ot skim them. Yours I read though, because you are oh so accurate.

I like your link to. I click on most of them, but usually nothing comes up.

#192. Posted by: meg at November 11, 2006 4:08 PM

@dantheman
when Jack said to Kate "when you are safe repeat to me the story I told you on the beach". Do we know what that story was?????????????????

mac reminded us of this story in this weeks recap, it's at the end of Point 2.

#193. Posted by: Green at November 11, 2006 7:27 PM

Very nicely written, but I wish you wouldn't call Kate a jackass, and yes, phone booths still do exist - I use them frequently since I do not have a cell phone.

#194. Posted by: jane at November 11, 2006 7:52 PM

If I was the Lost writers/producers, I would have used this mini season as a chance to explain some thing that are driving the viewers(ie bloggers)crazy.

I bet the reason there was so many posts last week is becouse everyone had high expectations and were exited to find out what the heck happens in the FF(Fall Finale)

I think some of our expectations are too high. I mean don't get me wrong, the writers of Lost are geniouses(did i spell that right?), but the sad truth is that the rest of the world (as in people other than us) is too stupid to follow along with some of our theories.But,the prouducers have to think like that, wich kinda sucks for us smart Lost freaks...

Ok, im gonna end this with a hard-hitting (random) question.


How predictible would life be with background music?

#195. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 11, 2006 11:30 PM

ugh!

lice is going around my office, and i might have strep.
just my luck...

btw, eko wasnt kicked of the show cuz of a dui, he went back to england to work on an indapendent film...

#196. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 11, 2006 11:39 PM

I have not heard his mentioned yet so here it goes.
Just before Alex came into camp with her slingshot, Pickett was barking on the 2-way and said "Did The Doc get out again".That before Jack got out of his fishbowl and viewed K+S. What Doctor is he talking about?
Are they holding another Doc captive?
I don't believe he was referring to Jack.

#197. Posted by: bob at November 12, 2006 10:26 AM

@ Davidrh
>It appears that it’s more exciting to talk about “vocabulary words” than a show that’s kept us on the edge of our chairs for two years! Wow, what’s happened?

>And Smokey? I think we’ll just wear ourselves out trying to speculate an answer for that thing. It will probably turn out to the the Other’s Community Theater fog machine that went terribly amuck during the island’s production of “On the Waterfront” . . .

Personally, I was tickled to learn a new vocabulary word. Is there a difference in discussing a vocabulary word versus an attempt at making humor, which you did with the "On the Waterfront" comment? Your comment was funny and I appreciated it - I feel sad that you feel vocabulary words are a waste of time. :(

#198. Posted by: ButchM at November 12, 2006 12:53 PM

@ Yummy
>Did someone say that Eko scored a point? If so, when and where (and where was I)?

The following was posted by ransomjackson at November 9, 2006 at 03:26 PM

"I propose a point for Mr. Eko as well. If he didn't get effed, I don't know who did."

I think everyone mutually agreed with rj.

#199. Posted by: ButchM at November 12, 2006 1:00 PM

Whoa there, Butch! Did everybody out there think I meant that vocab words were a "waste of time"?????

No, no, no . . . what I said was that, obviously, this episode was so scattered that we bloggers were easily diverted from our usual pursuit and found the discussion of a vocab word a far better use of our writing time.

In fact, this was a very good word under discussion - One that is usually misinterpreted by most.

In fact, right in front of my desk, on my bulletin board, is a list of 100 words suggested by the editors of the American Heritage Dictionary that everyone should know - and use in their daily writings, and as the editors say, "serve as a benchmark to measure yourselves." Try these on for size: abstemious, deciduous, expurgate, fiduciary, and luquacious.

Now all I need is 100 GOOD ANSWERS to all the scenario holes in the plotline of LOST and then WE ALL WOULD BE much happy campers!

Sorry you thought I was putting down the art of language. As a university professor, that would be the last thing on my agenda anywhere.

I apologize for the misinterpretation.

DRH

#200. Posted by: davidrh at November 12, 2006 1:16 PM

@ davidrh:

As one of the resident word nerds around here, I have to ask: I can't find "luquacious" in either of my standard dictionaries, or online except as someone's MySpace name. What does it mean? Or was it supposed to be "loquacious"? Thanks!

#201. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at November 12, 2006 2:10 PM

Hey Alaïs_Longthought,

MY BAD. Yes, I did hit the wrong key on the keyboard. It IS supposed to read:

loquacious

I found that list on the internet one day. However, I'm not sure what the address was originally. You might go to the "American Heritage" location and see if it's there. It's a great list of words.

Now if I could just spell them correctly, all would be right with the world . . . .

Thanks for the correction.


#202. Posted by: davidrh at November 12, 2006 2:29 PM


O MAC! O MAC!

What have we done?!? AGAIN, we have turned your blog center into the Department of English Usage and Word
Definitions! - instead of the CENTER FOR LOST EXPLORATION ACCORDING TO MAC.

My apologies.


Everybody - please - go back to using bad grammar and ignoring the spellcheck.
Let's all return to the gory - I mean, GLORY days of blogging . . . AHLERT! AHLERT! INDESTROOKTIBUL SPEL CHEQUER VIRRUS ON RIMPOGE!

I'l leve nawl.

Hv a gd dae.

#203. Posted by: davidrh at November 12, 2006 2:39 PM

What happend to Jin and Sun?
They showed Sayid, so he safely made it back to camp... dont you think that from where he was it would have taken him longer than the producers left us to think it did...
and is Sun realy gonna have a baby? Sheesh there gonna need an island daycare...

#204. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 12, 2006 4:08 PM

what a way to end the mini-series!!!!
i think the boyfriend that alex is talking about is actually ben!!!!!

#205. Posted by: Cem at November 12, 2006 4:30 PM

No, the boyfriend was the other guy in the cage that she was looking for. Ben must be her father figure.

I must admit that I was also wondering about the comment, "Did the doc get out again?"

Yes, this is going to be a long few months. I will tune into Groundhog Day in the hopes it will be good. Is Bill Murray going to be in it? :)

Well, better go study some vocabulary, spelling, grammar/usage so I can keep up with this tough bunch - you all are brutal - very smart, yet brutal!

#206. Posted by: meg at November 12, 2006 4:57 PM

Meg . . .

Very funny final paragraph.

:-D


#207. Posted by: Davidrh at November 12, 2006 5:22 PM

with the last episode in mind i am only left to ponder one question...was kate's flashback a mere reminder that sex=baby?? does this leave us to wonder if Kate & Sawyer will be expecting a mini freckles in the future??

#208. Posted by: melly mel at November 12, 2006 5:45 PM

@ButchM
@Davidrh
I find that the abstemious introduction of nomencalture into our lexicon can enhance our overall experience.

However, vacuous circumlocution may enervate this forum, which is otherwise resplendent with insight, introspection and acumen.

I propose that rather than abrogate loquacious postings, we all adhere to our fiduciary responsibility to avoid deciduous orthography and
rely on mac to expurgate postings that are feckless, jejune, supercilious, or otherwise deleterious. (including this one?)
-------------
That said, I'll chime in on the one real debatable topic of the week : Yes, Eko deserves a point!!

#209. Posted by: vacc at November 12, 2006 6:45 PM

@kaseygirl

LOLZ Charlie and Claire should open up an island daycare with playdates between Aaron and sun's kid... I'd like to see that...

#210. Posted by: forever_lost at November 12, 2006 9:49 PM


Dear VACC,

I know when I've been bested.

I shall retire from the field - never to be heard from again.


adieu

#211. Posted by: Davidrh at November 12, 2006 10:37 PM

There's still hope about Nathan Fillion. I'm thinking there are more survivors on the island since the plane seemed to break into three parts. It'd be cool if Kevin was on the plane. Imagine the soapy storyline if Kevin wanders into the losties camp. Kate loves Sawyer, Kate loved Kevin (Jack loves Kate?).

Something to think about.

#212. Posted by: patboone at November 13, 2006 1:59 AM

mac: I made this juicy last recap for you before christmas.
jack: no "caption" ?

(re: conversation between Juliette and Jack about the Cheeseburger)

#213. Posted by: vazirani at November 13, 2006 5:50 AM

Wow. I do sincerely apologize if my use of the word "penultimate" sidetracked this whole blog into a "my vocabulary's bigger than yours" writing-your-name-in-the-snow contest. I love words and writing and do indeed try to salt and pepper my comments. But I never intended to come off as anything but a Lost afficianado.

For anyone interested in words and wordplay, I highly recommend http://wordsmith.org/awad/.

BTW - Abstemious is one of only two words in the English language with all five vowels in order. My last word on the subject.

For everyone else...

I do sense an inordinate of frustration with this show with the lack of answers and the lack of forward plot progress and and the 13 week "Groundhog Day With Blood" (love that one). However, I also understand that from the producer's standpoint, not every show can be a knockout punch. Sometimes you gotta build backstory, tension (sexual or otherwise), plot, character development, and/or mythology. That's basically what an Act II is all about.

I believe that delving into grammar discussions clearly shows a heightened annoyance, and that if we, as (if I may be so bold) some of the shows biggest fans, are this upset, what must people who are just tuning in now for maybe only the first or second time feeling?

Perchance they are (sorry for this) Lost?

#214. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 13, 2006 8:42 AM

Are they holding another Doc captive?
I don't believe he was referring to Jack.

-- Posted by: bob at November 12, 2006 10:26 AM

Jack did get out, remember when he opened the door he was told not to open and flooded the tank; his happen in “A tale of two cities”.

#215. Posted by: Michael Brooks at November 13, 2006 9:13 AM

@Davidrh
>It will probably turn out to the the Other’s Community Theater fog machine that went terribly amuck during the island’s production of “On the Waterfront”

This is as good as any of the theories on Smokey to date! LOL

I think we'll all be disappointed if it turns out that Smokey is made up of midi-chlorians!

#216. Posted by: vacc at November 13, 2006 9:14 AM

"munching on Viagra-laced fish biscuits...." - GREAT one as usual, Mac!

Colleen told Sun (just before she shot Colleen) that They (The Others) were not their enemies. Well then, WHO is?!

When Ben was being held captive in the hatch, he told the Tailies (in so many words) that HE was NOT the boss...that he answered to someone else. WHO?! Jacob/s?

Thanks for your perfect recaps, Mac!

#217. Posted by: getLOST at November 13, 2006 12:02 PM

@ Vacc - Man, all those fifty cent words, that was great. That is the reason that I read and post on this Blog. There are actually people that know how to use grammer and punctuation here. Though many still forget/neglect to capitalize "I". I don't really like too much of that "netiquete" stuff. Just give me the old fashoned English like I learned in school thank you very much. By the way, the SHIFT button ain't that far away, and it's fun to use. Some of y'all should try it. (I ain't trying to be mean y'all, I am just an anal retentive dork).

Bravo on your wordsmithing, Vacc. Bravo.

#218. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 13, 2006 12:03 PM

I wonder if the Lost Expierience sites will become active during the hibernation period leading to February.

#219. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 13, 2006 12:34 PM

Oh, one more thing, check this out:
CWUF....Can't Wait Until February.

#220. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 13, 2006 12:37 PM

@ ButchM

>>Here's another good one. Antipenultimate. Next to next to last.

>My gawd, a new favorite word! Are you serious? My dictionary is an antique so wasn't in it.

Whoops, I misspelled it. See antepenultimate. It's used in a Flanders and Swan song, if I recall correctly, where I first encountered it.

www.onelook.com/?lang=all&w=antepenultimate&last=antipenultimate&loc=spell1

>How can I swim 3 consecutive "penultimate" laps?

By deciding to swim one more, twice?

Ducking and running...

#221. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 13, 2006 12:49 PM

@batteries Isn't it grammAr, not grammEr. I'm not trying to be mean, but if you are going to be a dork then go all the way!

Please, don't correct any of my posts; I am the worst! Yes, I am a dorkette, but without the time to really fine tune the dorkishness.

#222. Posted by: meg at November 13, 2006 1:10 PM

Just a thought on the subject of one-way communication. What type of researh facility would be set up with no capability for technology upgrades or new equipment once research led you down a new path.

How do the others get CD players et cetera for their Losteria Lane abodes?

#223. Posted by: Mike at November 13, 2006 1:45 PM

I hope no one viewed my earlier posting (the wordplay one) as anything but a tongue-in-cheek attempt to poke fun at how much some of us go a little overboard in critiquing the spelling, punctuation, grammar, or vocabulary of others’ postings.

I definitely would never wish to offend anyone here – especially since the insight, humor and perspective provided by each of you have become such a welcome part of my “Lost” experience.

To meg’s point, if anyone is compelled to take their red marker and correct minor mistakes in postings (excluding factual errors), their own writing ought to be bullet proof.

To Batteries Included’s point, we should be respectful of those who read our posts and make an effort.

My apologies for a post that doesn’t address a specific issue of the show, but with a long layover ahead, I did not wish to contribute towards creating an environment where people may become discouraged from sharing their perspective without fear of criticism.

#224. Posted by: vacc at November 13, 2006 1:53 PM

@ Davidrh
@ Batteries Included
@ vacc
@ meg
@ ransomjackson
re: the vocabulary bit - - ya'll are awesome man, AWESOME, I tell you. I loved the latest postings. vacc, your wordplay was unreal. Davidrh, prof don't give up so soon :>) meg, you caught one the biggest spelling gaffs there is - grammar. Batteries Included - loved the Shift key thing.

I apologize to all of you, for although ransomjackson used the word "penultimate," it was I that told him I thought it was a neat word. That seemed to open a hornet's nest, but you know what guys? No one got stung. Not only that, but I think we all learned something new - well, except for vacc, that is, he may very well know all the words in the dictionary :) God, I was looking his word up as I had no clue what they meant.

Hey guys, about the reason we haven't gotten nearly as many postings for the 6th episode, I honestly think it is because there is not a show this week. Some people probably figure, "why post" if we can't get any answers next (this) week

@ patboone - Have you sung "April Love" lately?

#225. Posted by: ButchM at November 13, 2006 2:50 PM

@ Cecil Rose
>>How can I swim 3 consecutive "penultimate" laps?
By deciding to swim one more, twice?
Ducking and running...

This is really neat - let's call the shallow end "A" and the deep end "B."
You jump in at "B" and swim to "A" - that is one lap.

You want to swim 54 laps. When you finish lap #50, you are at "B" - the deep end.

The next lap is #51 and it is the penultimate lap in THAT direction.

The next lap is #52 and it is the penultimate lap in THAT direction.

The next lap is lap #53 and it is the penultimate lap.

#226. Posted by: ButchM at November 13, 2006 2:56 PM

@Vacc - I hope that you did not consider my comment to you as being sarcastic. I really did like it. Please do not hold back your great wordsmithing. I do not offend easily, so feel free to critique me any day. Your skills far surpass mine. You are right about not pointing out other people's writing deficencies.(sp?)

#227. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 13, 2006 2:59 PM

Just a wee note about the inscription on echo's stick that draws lockes attention...

"Lift up your eyes and look North,"

below it it had the chapter being John.

so he may have noticed it and thought of it as a more personal message as because it actually said
"Lift up your eyes and look North John"

that being the reason he was drawn to that particular bit

#228. Posted by: Ally at November 13, 2006 3:05 PM

How cool is that...all warm and fuzzy again...I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Mac for this blog and bringing together an eclectic mix of individuals and viewpoints. Gonna miss his tongue-in-cheek recaps and arcane references...very much the kind of humor and discussion I truly appreciate.

Personally, my favorite word is phantasmagoria.

#229. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 13, 2006 3:13 PM

Hey everyone. Loved reading the vocabulary lessons above. I started using the word "penultimate" after I read it on the blog on Friday and I have to say that it made me feel very smart. I hesitate to post sometimes due to the fact that I feel my theories/thoughts are mediocre compared to the great minds who vocalize on this blog.

I have to point out one thing I thought was a little interesting. Remember a few blogs back (can't remember the exact one for sure, and sorry to bring this up Paula and Vikki) when Paula and Vikki got into a little bit of a altercation of words. Anyway, I thought it was funny that the new characters they introduced on the show are Paulo and Nikki. Very coincidental.

#230. Posted by: ydnewc1 at November 13, 2006 3:56 PM

YA..the bible when the put it down they usually would just Say..Jonh3:5...but ekos said Jon3:05 mabe John go to 3 05...compass bearing or somthing

#231. Posted by: Evan at November 13, 2006 4:07 PM

YA..the bible when the put it down they usually would just Say..Jonh3:5...but ekos said Jon3:05 mabe John go to 3 05...compass bearing or somthing

#232. Posted by: Evan at November 13, 2006 4:08 PM

@Batteries > deficiencies (LOL) nope, didn't detect sarcasm of any sort - if anything you sounded like my biggest fan!

@mac - perhaps it's time for a new photo caption for us hard-core fans of your awesome blog to pour our creative energies into.

@ransomjackson - At first I was against giving Eko a point. Then I watched AAA's character Adebesi "score" in a rerun of OZ and I reconsidered. He truly was a BMF.

#233. Posted by: vacc at November 13, 2006 4:34 PM

Hi, Lost buddies! Sorry I am late to the posting game...been outta town on vaca. Anyway, here are some thoughts:

(1) The mysterious Jacob is Alvar Hanso's son, hence the reason he is so "revered" by the others. Maybe Ben is also part of the family -- a cousin or nephew of Alvar?

(2) The message on Eko's stick was, “Lift up your eyes and look north,” and below it, “John 3:05.” Except that that line isn’t from John 3:05, but rather Genesis 13:14-17. John 3:05 reads, “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” What does it mean? Probably that Locke will climb a mountain, look north, and see Alcatraz.

(3)Eko might be back and it might not necessarily be a flashback episode! The producers revealed this in a recent ABC podcast. What could this mean -- that our dear MR. Eko is in the afterlife? That he is brought back to life? That he is seen in a flsh-forward instead of a flash-back? hmm. Lots to think about here but I know lots of us will cheer his return in any form.

(4) Also revealed in the same podcast is information about the islands. Producers say that the island isn't necessarily where the Others live. It is not necessarily the same place where we saw the Others in the beginning of the teaser of this year's season premiere. They say that this "would be a very reasonable explanation as to how Goodwin and Ethan could run from the Others' home camp to the crash site in about one hour." Does this mean there are THREE islands? Or, is the Others home somewhere else entirely like underwater or on some big ship? Did anyone else listen to the podcast and interpret this differently?

(5) The prodcuers reveal the following:

- The guy with the eye patch is going to figure prominently this season.
- The fact that the island may have been seen by the outside world is "pretty much the entire story arc of the second half of the year." This harkens back to several theories about th Others being able to hide the island and make it appear to be invisible.

Oh -- one last thing. Just for the record, I STILL think Juliette is evil to the core and NOT to be trusted. Not by Jack, by Ben, by Kate or ANYone. She is pure-T meaness. Looking forward to learning more about her (hopefully!) on Feb. 7 episode. I think that the fact that she is a fertility doctor factors in somehow with the missing kids from the crash and the Others weird/unexplained obsession with Walt and with Claire's baby. The prodcuers do hint at this as being very viable.

#234. Posted by: GatorGal at November 13, 2006 4:37 PM

It's so wierd when people give little hints about ther life other than Lost because you think What!?!?

#235. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 13, 2006 4:37 PM

@ydnewc1

My goodness...I was hoping everyone forgot about that by now...still wiping the egg off my face from that one....Buuuuuuuut, I didn't even put two and two together that the names were so alike....what a dream come true if our little blog here somehow influenced something in the plot...As flattered as we could be, and I appreciate it, I must assume that it can be a nothing more than a mere conincidence....Don't forget though - I did say I moonlight as a minor character, right? Maybe I do...Maybe I don't...

;)

WGNABB!

#236. Posted by: Vikki at November 13, 2006 4:44 PM

John 3:5 isnt "lift up youre eyes and look north"
it's"Jesus replied, 'I solemnly assure you, no one can enter Gods kindom without being begotten of water and Spirit"
What does this mean?

#237. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 13, 2006 4:44 PM

@ ransomjackson
>Personally, my favorite word is phantasmagoria.

Phantasmagoria - a constantly shifting complex succession of things seen or imagined.

Hey dude, that's our blog!

#238. Posted by: ButchM at November 13, 2006 4:47 PM

@ ydnewc1

New characters are Paulo and Nikki. Wow, good catch! Maybe after our own Paula and Vikki, who knows?

@ Vikki (moonlighter) - whatever happened to Paula? I don't think we've heard from her since - well, you know. Maybe she is on vacation at Vikki Paulo, Brazil, huh?

@ GatorGal
>What does it mean? Probably that Locke will climb a mountain, look north, and see Alcatraz.

That's as good an explanation as I've heard. Welcome back from vacation - you didn't go to an island, did you?

#239. Posted by: ButchM at November 13, 2006 4:59 PM

I'll tell all of you who this mysterious Jacob guy is. Remember the one-eyed patch guy? Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

#240. Posted by: Joe at November 13, 2006 5:04 PM

I'll tell all of you who this mysterious Jacob guy is. Remember the one-eyed patch guy? Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

#241. Posted by: Joe at November 13, 2006 5:04 PM

How can there be another island when sayid in season 1 went around the island and rousseau would have noticed it aswel before. i think that jack, kate and sawyer are on the island of the losties, not on the other 1. Also i think the boyfriend that alex is talking about is actually ben, not the man that we saw earlier in the season!!!!

#242. Posted by: Cem at November 13, 2006 5:15 PM

@Cem

>How can there be another island when sayid in season 1 went around the island and rousseau would have noticed it aswel before.

Sayid set out to walk around the island, but his walk was interrupted when he encountered the cable leading from the sea onshore, and followed it, only to be captured by Rousseau. After he got away from Rousseau, he went directly back to Lostie beach.

#243. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 13, 2006 5:47 PM

@Joe : I agree that Jacob is the eye patch guy. The producer's recent admission that he figures prominently in the story lends credibility to this. But, I also see validity in Mr. Grimm's earlier take on the division between the Dharmites, and if so, perhaps Eye Patch guy is just a major player in that faction.

@Mr Grimm: I also agree that Tom (Zeke) is an early Dharmite - possibly from the dawn of the initiative.

#244. Posted by: vacc at November 13, 2006 5:52 PM

@Cem : I don't think it's a given that Sayid, Jin, and Sun necessarily sailed far enough around the Island to get a glimpse of the 2nd island.

I believe the Island is assumed to be huge - as evidenced by the trip on Michael's raft. After they had sailed for a considerable time and had a big-picture perspective of the Island, one of the raftaways remarked on how large it was.

At first, I found it even harder to believe that Desmond wouldn't have seen another island having been sailing around for nearly all of season 2. But then it made sense to me that he would head his boat in the opposite direction of the Island no matter what so I guess he wouldn't have come across it.

Assuming Rousseau is not an "Other" (or working with them), it seems unreasonable that she could be on the LOST island for 16 years and not have seen the other island. Or maybe she knows of it, but never had cause to mention it to the Losties. (Characters on the show are surprisingly uncommunicative when it comes to the larger issues)

Sayid once set out to circle the island by foot (after he tortured Sawyer), but was captured and tortured by Rousseau before he made it very far.

I'm guessing one reason that Benry was so keen on getting the boat away from the Losties was to avoid them having a means to find the other Island - possibly more than his believing they could actually escape. The Others already have a sub and were willing to part with a boat for Michael and Walt, so it's unlikely they really needed the boat.

#245. Posted by: vacc at November 13, 2006 5:58 PM

Okay let's see here ...

1. I think it's plausable that Ben is Alex'z daddy and now we know that Danielle was Bens significant other in the past. LockesLadyness - a friend of mine speculated that perhaps Danielle was part of the results of the "incident" and was tossed out of "Bear Village" because of her instability. Or she might have the sickness.

2. On the idea of if there are actually two islands, I give you this - why ride a submarine when it doesn't require you to go through water to get somewhere? And, the producers namely Carlton and Damon have alluded to the fact that the island does in fact move. Which one? Both of them? I dunno.

3. Personally I suspect that Alex was manipulated through her soft spot for Carl to run into the camp and pretend to be "escaping " so that she could freak kate out with her " They're going to kill your boyfriend " line. And also by talking into the intercom to Jack. That entire thing was such a setup from the get go.

4. My question is, if the others want Ben dead,why go to the trouble of a botched operation when if Jack didn't do the surgery he'd die anyway and their goal would be accomplished. Does that make anys sense?

5. Thanks for bringing up the Jules/Dan conversation. Does anyone remember the "list" given to Ethan? It was discussed in front of Claires' drugged up face? Zeke/Tom declared that it would make "HIM" very happy that Ethan didn't get eveyrone on the list? Something to that effect. At any rate, Ethan and Goodwin both had their little grocery lists from the beginning of the show.

6. Thank you that someone agrees with me that it's very likely Jack had some form of military training. It explains the tattoo and the very formidable knowledge of guns.

7. I really hope that supercouple everyone was talking about who was supposed to be the hottest couple ever to hit nighttime shows up soon.

#246. Posted by: LionQueen at November 13, 2006 7:56 PM

Is the others island really an Alkatraz? The whole point of that episode seemed to be making Sawyer believe things that were not real!
So far this season there was the mention of the “problem with the sub” that I didn’t see mentioned much. I have coupled that with the fact that there was that serious beach erosion in the first season that forced the survivors closer toward the jungle (and ol’ smokey). I think the whole island (or both islands) is/are some kind of mobile experimental station. Moving something that big, which they would do rarely, would cause just that king of upwelling and washing away of the beach. Sound unlikely? Well that’s LOST!
We all should have all realized that the others were on a separate island with the first episode this season. They showed the plane coming apart after it already past the other’s village. If the tail section fell on one “end” of the island and the fuselage somewhere else, then there had to be something (the other’s island) past the tailies on of the main island. I wrote it off as one of the many videography goofs. Maybe there aren’t as many of these goofs as we thought?
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#247. Posted by: ron at November 13, 2006 8:10 PM

@ Charlie Salinger at November 9, 2006 03:40 PM

"I could not agree more...


"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#248. Posted by: thinng at November 14, 2006 4:53 AM

i'm not "down" with any of the Smokey theories...


@ ButchM
Bravo !! Excellente, hilarious, encore and so on...

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#249. Posted by: thinng at November 14, 2006 5:51 AM

@ransomjackson

mines "Grave Disorder"

...are ya with me ?

...bigger boat"

#250. Posted by: thinng at November 14, 2006 7:40 AM

@thingg

Captain Sensible reporting for duty, Sir!

BTW - that whole "moving island" thing could go a long way to explaining a few inconsistencies...maybe it's standing on the backs of four giant elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle...

#251. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 14, 2006 8:51 AM

This is a good one.
http://www.break.com/pictures/galnovnine_1243.html

#252. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at November 14, 2006 9:22 AM

@ thinng - thank you much.

@ ransomjackson - and the turtle has only 4 toes!

@ Lion Queen - I think there was a movie named after you - with Scar and the gang.

Benry is like a small duck who acts fearlessly and has nerves of teal.
He is amusing in a what the heck is wrong with him kind of way

Juliet, although quite charming, will lie about anything. After all, she is a woman and needs to stay in practice.
:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(


I don't know if it's just me or what, but because Hurley was in a mental institution, people seem to look at him funny.


Tell your friends about mac's blog - normal people don't know what they're missing here.
:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

#253. Posted by: ButchM at November 14, 2006 3:03 PM

I'm guessing with aqll this talk of vocabulary no-one can answer this....(It's really bugging me!):

Can someone please tell me what's happened to Jin and Sun? Did I miss something? My last memory is Sun being left on the boat whilst Sayid and Jin were on shore. They then heard the gunshot as Sun shot Colleen.

I've seen no sign on Sun or Jin since, but noticed that Sayid is happily wandering round with Locke!

Did I miss something???

#254. Posted by: Schmoking D at November 14, 2006 3:49 PM

"(2) The message on Eko's stick was, “Lift up your eyes and look north,” and below it, “John 3:05.” Except that that line isn’t from John 3:05, but rather Genesis 13:14-17. John 3:05 reads, “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” What does it mean? Probably that Locke will climb a mountain, look north, and see Alcatraz. "

I think that I am reading way too much into things, but when I was reading GatorGal's post and I saw something completely different with the Genesis passage. Maybe a man be born of water and of the Spirit has to do with a baptism. And who is the only character that we know has been baptized - Aaron...because Eko made sure that he was. Maybe this is a clue about something to do with Aaron.

Also, further reaching to follow. But I googled the name Linus and besides being Charlie Brown's friend with a blanket fetish, Linus is the name of the second Pope - Pope Linus who succeeded Peter. But the strange thing is that there is hardly anything recorded or known about him or his rule as pope.

#255. Posted by: ac at November 14, 2006 4:12 PM

Let me add one more voice before I bow out for a while. (Nothing personal - just a busy season ahead...)

The message for Locke is simply:

"Lift up your eyes and look north - John"

I think the writer(s) made a boo-boo here.

I think the writer(s) doesn't know his scriptures and figured that nobody would know the scriptures - and mistakenly thought no one would LOOK UP the scriptures - so they just put some numbers on the stick....."Hey man, how does third chapter, fifth verse sound? Does that sound biblical to you dude?..."

Other guy says, "sure . . . Who reads the Bible anyway?...."

Unfortunately, they didn't count on MAC's BLOGGERS - or the 20 million evangelicals in our nation . . ! . .

I think probably no one needs to worry about the numbers on the stick. They just don't mean anything.

None of us were meant to look beyond the "Lift up your eyes..." part.

Amen?

#256. Posted by: davidrh at November 14, 2006 5:05 PM

@Schmoking D: After the others hijacked the boat and Sun shot Colleen, Sun was last seen swimming safely to shore and was reunited with Jin. Although I don't recall seeing Jin or Sun since then, Jin was with Sayid at the time, so the assumption is that they are all alive and well and back at Losties camp.

#257. Posted by: vacc at November 14, 2006 5:22 PM

@ransomjackson
you're crackin' me up ! Capt. Sensible was sledge hammering rocks at Disney's House of Blues last Sat. We actually exchanged words before the show. (Didn't see Sawyer or Kate though, might have been bear cage sexin')Seeing them again this Sat. Hollywierd !

@ButchM
always relish your posts, the Smokey origin story is just icing on the cake. You are THE MAN !

Remember Juliet claimed to have Jacks dads autopsy report in Season 3, ep 1. The Others are retrieving info somehow.

Also, Alex was there before because she was talking to Kate about the dress.

just the facts MAC

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#258. Posted by: thinng at November 14, 2006 5:32 PM

More reflection ....

- Wouldn't it have been more "lost-like" if Ben had gotten to 16 when counting down from 20 instead of 18? I mean, really, did the producers truly MISS an opportunity to connect to The Numbers?

- Is anyone else as completely irritated and bothered by Paulikki being involved with Eko's funeral? Honestly, I thought it was offensive. And a complete insult to Eko and all of us who love him. I am bothered by their involvement; they are pests that need to just be shooed away.

Ahh....I feel better now! BTW, Bai Ling - a female Asian celebrity -- is set to star in ep. 9 on 2/21 (a Jack-centric episode, BTW)

#259. Posted by: GatorGal at November 14, 2006 6:55 PM

@ ButchM: thanks for asking about my vaca -- no island for me, but a trip to warmer climate (sunny Fla from N.C.) and encounters with "characters" albeit in the form of Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck!

#260. Posted by: GatorGal at November 14, 2006 6:57 PM

1. I think Jacob is someone higher than Ben. His list was like the one given to Michael, but without Jack. (Ben added him.) And maybe, those x-rays aren't really Ben's. Maybe Jacob has the tumors, and is using Ben as a test-run, to see if Jack is trustworthy. Ben is the posing leader, so Jacob can see his threats from a safe vantage point...

2. The comment Pickett made about "two weeks"... It's probably about the surgery. The elaborate plan had been nixed for a much sooner surgery. Or it could have been the timeframe he had to wait until he could kill Sawyer... but I think he would have been much more excited about that...

3. Libby. I'm still wondering if we'll get to know her backstory ever. Her husband died and she gave him boat to Desmond, and then... she was a mental patient. Yet she said she was a psychiatrist. Is that all we know about her past?

4. The other people working near Sawyer and Kate... Could they be the tailies that were kidnapped shortly after the crash? They obviously wouldn't recognize K and S, and vica versa, because they'd never met. And someone said they thought they recognized Nathan, who was killed after being in Ana Lucia's pit. Do we know for certain he was killed, or could he have gotten out (/been released) and been captured?

#261. Posted by: Christy at November 15, 2006 6:27 AM

Wow Christy, that's out there. Jacob having the tumor and Benry is just a test run? So Jack is going to cut Benry open and find nothing? Would Benry really risk his life with a surgery to just be testing Jack? Interesting conjecture, but probably not correct. To me it's one of those cut and dry things...the writers aren't trying to fool us on this one. Jack sees x-rays. Benry admits they're his. Jack operates on Benry. And here we are!

I'm very curious to see what kind of a turn Kate and Sawyer's relationship takes once they get back to the beach and things return to semi-normal for them. I assume that's going to happen since there's so many episodes left! I just can't see Sawyer acting all lovey dovey with her and losing his loner/bad boy image. But then, maybe they'll never make it back. And maybe they'll stumble upon a field of Dharma memory-erasing daisies and not remember their shared passion...

Um, yeah, Feb. can't get here soon enough!

#262. Posted by: JoePike at November 15, 2006 8:27 AM

Not sure if any of you saw this:

ABC will air Lost Moments, mini previews of the new full-length Lost episodes which will premiere next February. Starting today, the :30 Lost Moments vignettes will air randomly during the new drama Day Break. Each of the twelve segments will contain new footage of future episodes. After airing in Day Break, the Lost Moments will be available on ABC.com. All six episodes from season three will remain at ABC.com for free viewing until the second half begins in February.

#263. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at November 15, 2006 8:40 AM

...proposing a Day of Mourning. Alas, it is Wednesday and there is NO LOST to look forward to tonight. Sigh. And, even WORSE, no review by mac to look forward to tomorrow. A sad, sad day indeed.

#264. Posted by: GatorGal at November 15, 2006 10:00 AM

@Christy ... per your inquiry about Libby, here is what Damon L. said in an interview back in May:

Damon Lindelof [reveals]: Libby's got this mysterious backstory, of which we've only given you the tip of the iceberg. We know she's spent some time in the mental institution with Hurley, and the idea of killing her before she had an opportunity to explain how she got there... we have a master plan for how we're going to tell that story, but it's all posthumous. You'll start to learn Libby's moves through flashbacks over the course of the next season. So we're not done with Cynthia, but Libby is dead.

To me, "the next season" is the one that we are currently in, so maybe we'll learn more once Lost resumes in the spring. (grr. I hate the wait!)

#265. Posted by: GatorGal at November 15, 2006 10:09 AM

@GatorGal

> Wouldn't it have been more "lost-like" if Ben had gotten to 16 when counting down from 20 instead of 18? I mean, really, did the producers truly MISS an opportunity to connect to The Numbers?

But the last thing he said was "eight...", which fits.


> ...proposing a Day of Mourning. Alas, it is Wednesday and there is NO LOST to look forward to tonight. Sigh. And, even WORSE, no review by mac to look forward to tomorrow. A sad, sad day indeed.

Maybe someone will step up and post recaps of imaginary episodes that 'continue' the storyline, a la the Amazing Steve's continuation of the '24' storyline in Dave Barry's 24 blog. Mac? Anyone?

#266. Posted by: Cecil Rose at November 15, 2006 11:29 AM

GatorGal . . .

I wouldn't worry about the next few months.

If MAC will let us, I'm sure we can generate at least 150 comments on each little LOST blurb the network decides to throw at us.

BRING IT ON, ABC!!!


#267. Posted by: davidrh at November 15, 2006 11:47 AM

@ Gatorgal "...proposing a Day of Mourning. Alas, it is Wednesday and there is NO LOST to look forward to tonight. Sigh. And, even WORSE, no review by mac to look forward to tomorrow. A sad, sad day indeed. "

I'm with you...dressed in black..."sitting shivah" for my beloved Losties...Today is a saaaad, bleak, dreary wednesday.

Not so silly....

OTMW (only twelve more weeks)

#268. Posted by: Sillygril0630 at November 15, 2006 12:01 PM

Medium is a pretty good show - do any of you watch that?

#269. Posted by: meg at November 15, 2006 12:21 PM

Just to throw something else in the loop: What if Echo carved a typo and meant to type in John 5:30 which says: "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me." Just something to chew on with all the other theories regarding Echo's Jesus stick.
If it was meant to be John 3:5, then perhaps it refers to the sub (which emmerses itself in water) and is named "Spirit"???!!!

#270. Posted by: BMSoLost at November 15, 2006 2:15 PM

Hey Mac... You think you could at least post "something" tomorrow like another photo caption, or maybe a suggested topic of discussion like "Do you think Jacob may actually be Benjamin's evil twin brother... now... discuss!" so we can have a new subject or something to post to each Thursday? Cause a Thursday without you is like a football night without beer...

#271. Posted by: BunnyLover at November 15, 2006 2:45 PM

I propose ButchM continue "The adventures of Smokey" over the next 12 weeks!

#272. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at November 15, 2006 3:49 PM

@ gatergal
@sillygirl

thats sooooo wierd because when i looked down at my shirt, i realized it was black.
when i woke up i was sad but i couldnt figure out why until you said that

#273. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 15, 2006 4:44 PM

Goodbye TGIW :(

#274. Posted by: ButchM at November 15, 2006 5:27 PM

@ Crispy Seaplanes

At the risk of offending our posters, I offer the following for everyone's amusement now that we are shut down because there is no Lost on the tube tonight. Once while cycling, I stopped to take a leak in a corn field. The snake immediately made tracks when it saw me, but here is what I made up and put in a book that wrote about my bicycling adventures. You can key in TYMEW to see it online.


Dead snakes are a dime a dozen when biking in the boonies. When they get run over by a car, it seems to do more than give them a mere headache. I guess they were never taught to look both ways before crossing. There have been times when I’ve seen as many as seven or eight of them on a country road, but for the most part, it could very well be a month or more before you see even one. When you see a snake along the right side of the road as you are cycling, do not be alarmed. There is no need to panic, else you might teeter out onto the road a bit, just far enough to get bopped by a car. The snake is dead! Dead snakes do not present a problem.

As for live snakes, I have never seen one while actually biking. However, I did see one in a cornfield once when I stopped for a bit of R, R, and P (Rest, relaxation, and pissing). The three foot long reptile spotted me first, and said, “Hiss, hey buddy.” Although some people may think of me as a reptile, I was certainly in no mood for getting snug with a snide snake, which if I just snooped too much, or even sniffled a little, might snuggle up against my sneaker. If I moved at a snail’s pace and snagged a sock, the snake might snap, then sneak around my leg, snatching my foot and taking a snip at it before getting snarled in a snapdragon.

So I kicked at the cornstalk closest to the snake and it made tracks – well, if not tracks,’ then ‘impressions.’ The sly, slimy snake with slanted eyes quickly slinked away up a slope in the slush, splashing like a slap-happy skylark, but his slithering slipped slightly and he slid in a slam-bang fashion, sloshing toward me as if on a slalom course, causing his slithering to slow. His sleek tail slammed slightly into my slender foot as I slouched there like a slowpoke in my sloven appearance, slobbering, and his slippery, slim form slithered away in slow motion, probably to a spot where he could slumber with a slew of his slick, sleazy brothers.

Before he slipped to sleep, I thought of slaughtering him by slinging a heavy piece of slate at him, or even using a sling shot, and slapping his body into a huge pot, whereby I would slice and slit it into slivers to make snake sloppy Joes. But I was merely slaphappy from the unexpected meeting with the slurping snake, who if he were able to speak, would surely slur. Still, as I slumped there against a cornstalk, I wondered if the slinky snake was of Czechoslovakian descent, thereby Slavic.

#275. Posted by: ButchM at November 15, 2006 5:39 PM

Thanks for the honorable mention Butch!

#276. Posted by: LionQueen at November 15, 2006 10:10 PM

http://www.stationzer0.com/

I didn't watch Day Break...I surfed over to NBC & saw Medium, which was pretty dang good! Here's what I found re: the Lost Moments that they're promising us over the next 12 weeks. My opinion? Not so great!

#277. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at November 16, 2006 11:18 AM

The Preview from last night went like this...
Charlie was yelling at Desmond for not telling him where he was going, and then he calls him a sissy. Desmond Freakes out and tackles Charlie and says "You dont want to know what happened to me when I turned the key".

#278. Posted by: Bendjy at November 16, 2006 11:54 AM

I was disappointed that this 6-week pod didn't offer closure on some of the mysteries of the other Others. Who and where is Miss Klugh? Did we see her in the book club and not in the Hydra Station? Why did they use a fake camp site with a false Dharma door? Do the Others still use the vaccination? BTW what will the vaccine do to Aaron and Charlie? Do the Others need the Dharma supplies from the airlift/drop?

We don't know where Sun and Jin are, and Sayid doesn't seem worried about them. But the Others that were on the sailboat know that Sun killed Colleen. Will they do anything about that? Does Sayid know anything about that?

I like penumbra "a space of partial illumination (as in an eclipse) between the perfect shadow on all sides and the full light" and spelunker "one who makes a hobby of exploring and studying caves."

#279. Posted by: lost and back again at November 17, 2006 6:42 AM

1) Eko's reappearance could be like Yemi's; in other words, a Smokey transformation. This would fit the writers saying Eko does not reappear in a flashback.

2) John 3:05 may not refer to a bible verse. The "John" and "3:05" could be separate. The stick had another numerical notation with colons embedded within it to the left of the one John read. Did anyone else notice that? So that brings up another question: what do these numerical notations signify?

#280. Posted by: Marlene Calaway at November 17, 2006 1:29 PM

What Are we gonna be doing untill February? a bloggers picnic? any holiday partys coming up?what will we do with our lives? something other than lost? im sorry, i cant imagine that...

#281. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 17, 2006 4:40 PM

What Are we gonna be doing untill February? a bloggers picnic? any holiday partys coming up?what will we do with our lives? something other than lost? im sorry, i cant imagine that...

#282. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 17, 2006 4:41 PM

@ButchM -- I love your writing style! Thanks for an entertianing read over my morning coffee. It made me smile!

#283. Posted by: GatorGal at November 20, 2006 10:07 AM

@ GatorGal

Thank you, I really appreciate that. Someone said that perhaps I should write a 2nd Smokey story during the 12 week hiatus. Well, I have done that - am about 90% done with it - and you are sort of a star in it. How do I go about getting it posted?

#284. Posted by: ButchM at November 20, 2006 5:15 PM

ButchM

you can post it under Mac's new screen caption of evil Michael....

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#285. Posted by: thinng at November 21, 2006 3:06 AM

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

#286. Posted by: Batteries Included at November 23, 2006 1:28 PM

@ ButchM:
You like random vocabulary lessons? Here, try this one on for size:
pneumoultramicroscopicilicavolcanoconiosis (Yes, it is a real word.) :)

#287. Posted by: Trinity at November 23, 2006 4:25 PM

"pneumoultramicroscopicilicavolcanoconiosis "

...is not a real word. It's what you get when you set down your Tickle Me Elmo Extreme on your keyboard...

#288. Posted by: ransomjackson at November 27, 2006 3:55 PM

@ ButchM
Hey, am i in it?.
jw...

#289. Posted by: Kaseygirl at November 27, 2006 5:27 PM

@ Kaseygirl
> Hey, am I in it?.

GIRL, I mean to tell you, you are in it BIG time. You will luv it. I sent it to mac yesterday (Sunday) so hopefully, he will post it soon. You are a STAR among stars, trust me.

What is jw?

@ ransomejackson and Trinity > "pneumoultramicroscopicilicavolcanoconiosis "

> RJ ...is not a real word. It's what you get when you set down your Tickle Me Elmo Extreme on your keyboard...

The 2 of you have me at sea - I don't know if it is a real word or not. It certainly is not in any dictionary that I have. Hey dude and dudette, both of you are in the Smokey Back Story, Part II, and I think you will be pleased with your roles. As far as Tickle Me Elmo goes, RJ, - what is the last thing that Tickle Me Elmo receives before leaving the factory?

Answer: Two test tickles.


Okay mac, we are all waitintg :>)

#290. Posted by: ButchM at November 27, 2006 10:30 PM

@ Kaseygirl

Spoiler: Do you know anything about a "bunnylover?"

@ ransomejackson

Spoiler: Whadda ya know about a knapsack?

Guess you'll have to wait for mac to post the Smokey back story, part II.

#291. Posted by: ButchM at November 27, 2006 10:33 PM

@ButchM....OK - that was AWESOME! You MUST do something creative for a living, yes? If not, you might have found your true calling! Thanks for the "star teatment." I am flattered. Truly.

Countdown: 10 more Wednesdays to go until Lost returns...

#292. Posted by: GatorGal at November 28, 2006 1:14 PM

For those who (like me) are still going through severe LOST withdrawal - having very limited outlets such as our weekly photo captions and ButchM's awesome saga on our favorite smoke creature - this is a great read : IGN's Top 50 Lost Loose Ends

http://tv.ign.com/articles/745/745595p1.html

Perhaps in a similar vein, mac could select a handful of the most discussion-worthy 'Loose Ends' and create some space for us to chime in on each one during the break. This would also be great to have in place as future episodes either add to or provide some answers for these ongoing themes.

C'mon - who here wouldn't love to have a page dedicated to Smokey (alright, ButchM got us started with that one) or on The Four-Toed Statue Foot?

#293. Posted by: vacc at December 1, 2006 8:34 AM

I am going CRAZY without Lost.
My husband laughs at me.
(yes, husband. I am not a ButchM)

#294. Posted by: Kaseygirl at December 1, 2006 10:50 AM

In Lost time, how long ago did Sawyer have his tumble in the jungle with Ana Lucia? 2 weeks ago or something?

And poor Jackie hasn't gotten any the whole series

#295. Posted by: Alex at December 15, 2006 2:10 AM

In Lost time, how long ago did Sawyer have his tumble in the jungle with Ana Lucia? 2 weeks ago or something?

And poor Jackie hasn't gotten any the whole series

#296. Posted by: Alex at December 15, 2006 2:10 AM

I think we are in purgatory...

#297. Posted by: meg at December 20, 2006 1:56 PM

I found a weird connection to LOST and the "real world"....


DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO POSSIBLY RUIN THE ENDING :)

My social studies class is studing Buddhism....Buddhism has a strange connection to LOST...

> Buddhism's symbol is the DHARMA wheel
> You know the huge mountain in the middle of the island?? Buddhists believe that there is a high mountain called Nirvana that they have to work hard to get to...
> I believe that everyone on the island is dead, and they have to make themselves worthy to get to Nirvana...
> The back smoke that carries the people away is the Buddhist's idea of a god. Once someone has done enough to get to Nirvana they are sent there for their soul to live on......

#298. Posted by: Shayde at January 13, 2007 10:30 AM

What happened to Sun, Jin, and Sayid between episodes 2 and 5?

In #2 Sayid says "it's going to be long walk back" and all of the sudden in #5 he is there helping Locke with no explanation as to the whereabouts of Sun and Jin. Also, did Sayid not tell everyone about their expedition?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I just found this great site.

Len

#299. Posted by: Len at January 16, 2007 4:20 PM

Have you guys noticed that Kate's husband was seeking a fugitive in Tampa? Is this maybe the "Tampa job" Hibbs was talking with Sawyer about?

#300. Posted by: Potiguar at January 21, 2007 8:13 PM

This season of lost has sunk to an all time low. I used to love it, but now they've run out of any type of story. Boring.

#301. Posted by: Bobby at February 7, 2007 11:46 PM

3-6 - I Do

An Other, grieving,
Wants to shoot, but Sawyer scores,
While Jack schemes escape.

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