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Key Points from "Not in Portland"

Season 3, Episode 7 Episode Air Date: 02/07/07
Point 1
	Before we get into this week's Key Points, I've got some housekeeping to tend to. As previously noted, I'm changing the review format because I now have considerably less time to dedicate to my recaps. There's just no way I can continue to chronicle every wee detail so beginning with this review, I'm now going to focus on the two or three most important plot points. If I miss something (which is inevitable), please fill in the gaps by commenting below. With that out of the way, let's get to the good stuff! You'll recall that at the conclusion of the ill-named "Fall Finale" ("I Do"), Jack had just cut Ben's kidney sac and, by extension, seized the uppper hand over his Other captors. He acquired a walkie-talkie and told Kate to gather Sawyer and run like hell. And that's when the sixth episode -- and the lame "Fall Season" -- puttered to its conclusion (yes, I'm bitter). This episode picks up exactly where "I Do" left off, but, oddly enough, the merry adventures of Jack, Kate and Sawyer aren't where the real drama lies in "Not in Portland." Nope. The good stuff comes in Juliet's backstory. Cue backstory swoosh! In this backstory, we learn the following bits of Juliet's biographical data: She is a fertility doctor (she wasn't lying to Jack). She used to live in Miami. She has a sister named Rachel who is/was sick. Her exact illness is never discussed, but given her interest in head scarves, it appears to be a form of cancer. Juliet was once married to a smarmy little guy named Dr. Edmund Burke. He's the kind of fella who would fit right in as a sniveling bureaucrat on "24." (Note: the actor who plays Dr. Edmund Burke, Zeljko Ivanek, had a 14-episode stint on "24" back in 2002. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.) To complicate matters, Juliet (who still goes by "Dr. Burke" herself) still works under Dr. Ed Burke at a research facility. This leads to lots of uncomfortable encounters, especially when Dr. Ed stages late-night booty calls with hot new research assistants. The surprising backstory stuff comes when Juliet is asked -- out of the blue -- to interview with another medial institute -- Mittelos Bioscience. She visits with Mittelos representative "Mr. Alpert," who dazzles her with a Powerpoint presentation filled with what appear to be Stepford drones. Everyone is smiling and cavorting around the lush green grounds of Mittelos' Portland, Ore.-based facility. Look carefully and you'll see a polar bear playing badminton with a smoke monster. It's Dharmadise! Mr. Alpert presses Juliet to come join the institute. He woos her with utopian visions of pristine facilities, expert staff, and lots and lots of money, but Juliet is confused by the organization's interest in her: why would a prestigious research facility armed with boatloads of cash and on-staff Powerpoint designers be attracted to a pretty-but-spineless fertility expert with a soft spot for Steven King novels? Because she's a fertility badass, that's why. See, Jules doesn't just waste her days reading back issues of "Conception Monthly." Oh no. She works long and hard to do crazy fertility things -- like impregnating male field mice. Really. She got a male mouse pregnant -- just like "Junior," but without Arnold Schwarzenegger ... and with better acting. I'm not sure how or why she knocked up a male mouse, but this kind of thing gets fertility doctors hot, and that's why Mr. Alpert and the Mittelos institute are so hellbent on recruiting her. Well, that and she's the best looking research scientist you'll ever see (no offense to research scientists; just giving Elizabeth Mitchell props.) Mr. Alpert sweetens the pot by appealing to Juliet's mind. He clicks to a slide of x-rays showing a 70-year-old woman's womb. But here's the "House"-like hook: the woman carrying that womb is only 26. Juliet is intrigued, but again she resists Alpert's overtures. Her eyes get teary and her chin wiggles and she tells Alpert that her ex-husband -- the sniveling Dr. Ed -- won't let her go, which is ridiculous since: 1. he's her ex-husband and 2. he's a weak little bastard who would snap like kindling. Nonetheless, Dr. Ed has inexplicable control over Juliet and so Jules tells the stunned Mr. Alpert that unless Ed is hit by a bus, there's no way she can join Mittelos Bioscience. Did you catch that? Unless Ed is hit by a bus, she can't free herself from his icy grip of sniveling bureaucracy. Ahem. So, Juliet goes back to her apartment -- or maybe it's her sister's apartment, or maybe they live together ... whatever -- so she goes to an apartment and meets up with Rachel. Her sister asks about the Mittelos interview and Juliet hems and haws and says the job isn't right for her. She's got a slew of excuses locked and loaded: Portland is too far away; she couldn't help Rachel pick out head scarves; she's got Dolphins season tickets; she's really into "CSI:Miami," et cetera, et cetera, et cetera ... Rachel wants none of it. She stops Jules dead in her tracks and says the Mittelos job is perfect. Moreover, she's perfect for the job because not only can Jules impregnate male field mice, but she can also knock up her cancer-ridden siblings. Yup, Rachel is pregnant, which is a miracle unto itself since Juliet was using her as a guinea pig for an undisclosed (and ethically suspect) experiment. Bottom line: Jules got game and Rachel thinks she should work with people who appreciate her. Rachel's pep talk lights a fire under Juliet's butt, so she zips off to her lab and runs into Dr. Ed outside the building. She shares news of Rachel's miracle baby and Ed immediately starts plotting ways to claim the glory for his organization (and, by extension, himself). But Juliet finally finds her mojo and says she's got no interest in letting sniveling Dr. Ed use her sister as Patient Zero. Ed, in his wussy way, dismisses Juliet's comments and ... WAAAAAAAAAA BLAM! GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! Ed got hit by a bus! Right there! Right then! Ed gets creamed by a transit bus! Juliet's jaw hits the pavement. Later, Juliet weeps alone over Dr. Ed's dead body in a morgue. Her crying fit is interrupted by the arrival of Mr. Alpert and one of his cronies, who looks suspiciously like -- WAIT A MINUTE -- that's Evil Ethan!. If Alpert's Dharma connection hadn't been established already, it sure is now. The ever-slick Alpert apologizes for revisiting Juliet at such an inopportune time, but he's returned to again emphasize Mittelos' interest in her. Juliet -- who's clearly smarter than the average bear -- puts the pieces together. She told Alpert that only a bus would stop Ed, and then a bus magically dispatched Ed to the room in Hell set aside for sniveling bureaucrats with God complexes. Alpert feigns ignorance while Ethan stands nearby with a dumb smile carved into his face (for a dead guy, Ethan sure shows up a lot). Alpert's calm demeanor somehow deflates the bus tension -- surely, it's all a coincidence ... Juliet blinks away her conspiratorial thoughts and considers her options. She asks if her sister could come along to Portland and this time, it's Alpert's turn to blink. You see, the Mittelos institute isn't exactly in Portland per se. Actually, it's not exactly on a continent, per se ... And that's when Juliet's backstory ends. We'll loop back around to Juliet in Key Point 3, but for now we turn our attention to ...
Point 2
	... The Adventures of Kate, Sawyer, Alex and Karl! As I mentioned earlier, "Not in Portland" begins where "I Do" left off. Jack yells at Kate to run, and as this episode begins, that's what she decides to do. Kate and Sawyer use their military training (how else could they do this stuff?) to disarm their two Other captors (Sawyer takes particular delight in slamming Danny Pickett's head into the Polar Bear Reward Button until a snap of electricity arcs through Pickett's body). With their guards bloodied and beaten, Kate and Sawyer lock the bear cage and run into the hinterlands to ... well, we're not exactly sure what they're going to do because, as we've already established, they're on another island. Their predicament becomes abundantly clear when the duo reaches the shore and Kate looks incredulously at the large island looming two miles away. Alas, they have little time to ponder the situation because Pickett and his henchmen have staged a dramatic recovery (Pickett's head wounds should have killed him) and are in hot pursuit. Bullets crack through the sand as Kate and Sawyer run into the treeline for cover. And then, the sudden appearance of Alex "Deus ex Machina" Rousseau saves their collective asses. Out of nowhere, Alex pops up and disables one of the Other guards with her slingshot (she's dynamite with that thing). She then guides Kate and Sawyer to her makeshift "island hole," which is exactly what it sounds like -- a deep hole camouflaged by brush and leaves. Why did she dig this thing? When did she find time? What is it with Rousseau girls and their dirt holes? (Remember: Rousseau used to live in an underground lair.) Moving on ... Alex makes a deal: if Kate and Sawyer can rescue her boyfriend Karl (the kid we briefly saw in "A Tale of Two Cities"), Alex will hook the pair up with a boat and help them escape. So Kate, Sawyer and Alex trudge off to a monstrous and decrepit Dharma building (it looks like Galactica's brig). The trio manage to fool/disarm the sole Other guard using, as Sawyer describes it, the "Wookie Prisoner" technique (with Sawyer starring as Chewie and Kate showcasing her Han-like rage). Inside, they find Karl locked behind door No. 23. He's strapped to a chair with an IV running into his arm. The room is filled with loud techno music and a large projection screen is showing the latest Michael Bay movie (it has to be -- who else would employ unnecessary jump cuts and random text messages?). Karl's eyes are large and glossy from the psychological force-feeding. Kate and Alex work quickly to unstrap Karl, but Sawyer is momentarily dazed by the images and sounds (take note, Dharma!). Kate snaps Sawyer out of his psycho reverie and together, the group drags Karl to safety outside the facility. Sidenote: One of the projected messages is "God loves you as he loves Jacob." You'll recall that Pickett had a throwaway line referencing a guy named Jacob in "I Do." Clearly, this Jacob character is someone of importance. Sometime later, Alex hooks Sawyer and Kate up with a small sailboat (again, how'd she get this thing?). The group positions the boat on the shore and prepares to make a daring escape, but their efforts are again thwarted by the seemingly invincible Danny Pickett. He appears alone on the beach and aims his pistol at Sawyer's chest. Kate, Alex and the semi-conscious Karl look on in horror. "Hey, Danny!" BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM! The collective jaws of Sawyer, Kate, Alex and Karl drop simultaneously as they stare at the treeline. Juliet just killed Pickett! She appeared out of nowhere and blasted Danny full of holes! Jules doesn't blink (she's got Locke-like Zen). She calmly instructs Kate, Sawyer and Karl to launch the boat and continue their escape. Alex is crestfallen -- she wanted to hang with the cool kids on the other island -- but Juliet forbids her from leaving because her father, Ben, would never let Karl live if Alex left. Uh, what's that? Ben is Alex's father? Ben?! Another sidenote: I'm working under the assumption that Ben is Alex's adopted father, but how cool would it be if he was her biological father? The scene back in "One of Them" when Rousseau traps Ben in a net would take on a whole new meaning if Rousseau and Ben had a history together. Moving on ... Kate and Sawyer, realizing how friggin' lucky they truly are, continue to prep the boat, but as they do, Kate remembers her promise to Jack: According to Jack's Master Plan, she's supposed to radio Jack when she and Sawyer are safe. She's also supposed to recount the very first story Jack ever told her when they first crashed on the island (This is such a lame backstory device. Why would anyone waste time telling stories?). So Kate radios Jack (more on him later), and proceeds to tell him "The Story." Longtime viewers remember this well: In the aftermath of the Oceanic crash, Jack and Kate began their flirtation with Jack discussing his "fear management techniques" (he really knows how to woo the ladies). He told the story of his very first surgery, in which he accidentally cut an important body sac and sent a young woman's spinal nerves spiraling out of their proper place. It was a massive mistake and Jack only had moments to correct it. He told Kate that the fear was palpable, but instead of running from it, he allowed himself five seconds to let the fear in. So Jack counted to five and when he finished, the fear was gone and he sewed the girl up good as new. Kate tearfully repeats this whole story and everyone on the beach seems oddly moved by it. Now, maybe I'm missing something, but this isn't exactly an "Every Kiss Begins with Kay" moment -- it's just a story Jack told way back when. Yet, Kate's reaction suggests it's the Most Important Story Ever, and Sawyer seems heartbroken, and even Juliet is a little teary. So, what gives? Anyway, Kate finishes the story, which satisfies Jack's escape criteria. Because Jack is a drama queen, he has a final parting order for Kate: He instructs her to never, EVER, come back for him. With that, Jack's radio snaps off and Kate is left staring at her walkie talkie. Kate composes herself and she and Sawyer then push Alex's homemade Sunfish into the water and begin to make their way back toward the larger island. Juliet and Alex watch their progress as hermit crabs feast upon Pickett's decomposing corpse.

Point 3
	As seems to be his custom, Jack spends most of this episode standing around, yelling and sulking. The episode begins on a high note for the Good Doctor, as his attempt at gaining the upper hand appears to have succeeded. Kate and Sawyer stage their escape, and now all Jack has to do is wait for Kate's call and then he can proceed to fix the intentional gash he's made in Ben's kidney sac. Easy as pie, right? Well, he didn't count on Juliet usurping his control. See, Jules doesn't take kindly to overbearing doctors (watch out for that bus, Jack!), and so she stages her own mini-coup in reaction to Jack's sneaky maneuver. She instructs a platoon of Dharma drones to find and -- if necessary -- kill Kate and Sawyer. Now, a lot of what follows is confusing, and I have to admit I don't understand all the motivations or nuances. So, if I screw something up, please call me on it in the comments area. So Juliet tells her Dharma drones to reacquire Kate and Sawyer and this compels Jack to tell Tom (aka "Zeke") that Juliet asked him -- Jack -- to kill Ben. Juliet is stunned by Jack's revelation -- after all, she went out of her way to surreptitiously reveal her desires via a carefully edited videotape ("The Cost of Living"). Juliet tries to play the "he's lying!" card, but Tom doesn't seem all that surprised at this revelation. He orders Juliet from the room and, momentarily grazed by Jack's blow, she shuffles away with her tail between her legs. Now, things get really interesting at this point because Ben suddenly wakes up. He's still splayed on the operating table and his kidney sac is still leaking, but Ben's eyes open and he asks/tells Jack that he needs to see Juliet immediately. Tom brings Juliet back into the operating room and Ben uses his Jedi mind tricks to convince Jack to let he and Juliet speak in private. Jack moves up into the observation room overlooking the OR and then watches as Juliet and Ben have a conversation. We're not immediately privy to what's said ... but we find out later. After their interlude, Juliet leaves the OR. Jack rushes to get the scoop (he loves his Dharma gossip) and Juliet -- in a dramatic reversal -- says she's going to help Sawyer and Kate escape. Jack, as you can imagine, is confused to the core. Just moments ago she ordered her Dharma drones to kill his comrades. So Jules goes off and kills Pickett. Meanwhile, Jack manages to unintentionally cut one of Ben's arteries, which leads to a couple of tense moments where Tom is pressed into "suction duty." Ultimately, however, Jack is able to repair both the intentional and the unintentional cuts and, as a bonus, he successfully scrapes off Ben's spinal tumor. Toward the end of the episode -- and after he hears "The Story" from Kate -- Jack closes Ben up. For the majority of this episode the Jack-Ben-Juliet plot felt like an "ER" outtake, but in the final moments we get a doozy of a revelation that casts a new light on the proceedings. Juliet, fresh from killing Pickett, meets up with Jack in the observation room. Jack demands to know what Ben said to her and that's when Juliet reveals that she's been on the island for "three years, 2 months and 28 days." More importantly, Ben told her that if she let him live and helped Jack, he would let her "go home." Now, isn't this interesting? So, if Juliet is telling the truth, she has far more in common with Jack than we previously thought. She, too, is a prisoner in Dharma World. She, too, is seen as an Other asset because of her medical training. Well, well, well ....
Point 4
	I'll close with a few questions and comments: It's going to be interesting to see how the Jack-Juliet-Ben triangle plays out. Juliet's revelation, coupled with her murder of Danny and her attempted murder of Ben, will certainly put a crimp in her Dharma World standing. Will Juliet and Jack escape to the other island? How will Ben retaliate? Will Karl figure into future proceedings, or will he fade into the Scott/Steve-Steve/Scott background? Best line of the episode: "My name's Tom." Best nickname: Sawyer dubs Alex "Sheena." Being the geek I am, I ran a Whois query on MittelosBioscience.org. I've got to give the "Lost" crew credit on this one -- the domain is registered to "Richard Alpert" and the company is based in Multnomah County, Ore.. Pretty slick. And now, a brief rant about the hiatus (feel free to skip to the comments): Whoever came up with this season's format should be fired. The first six episodes were billed as a "mini series" dealing with the Others, and while that's all well and good on paper, the execution was ridiculous. A show like "Lost" plays out over an entire season -- you can't just chunk up a storyline for six episodes and expect it to exist cohesively on its own. Moreover, the hiatus absolutely destroyed the show's momentum. Now, I'm sure they'll get it back, but introducing a show for six episodes and then putting it on the shelf for three months is the equivalent to reading the first six chapters of a book and then forgetting about it for 13 weeks. Even if you really enjoyed those six chapters, your enthusiasm for the overall story just won't be the same. Again, that enthusiasm might come back, but I fail to understand why anyone would intentionally kill the energy. Hopefully the "Lost" crew and the folks at ABC have learned their lesson, and hopefully the repercussions of the hiatus won't slice the show off at its knees. Next season, they should roll the show out in January and let it play out for 23 straight weeks. And that's what I think about that. That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.
Next Episode:
"Flashes Before Your Eyes" -- Charlie and Hurley confront Desmond about his freaky new powers. Airs Wednesday, Feb. 14, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.
Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on February 8, 2007 11:19 AM |

WOW first comment *it is when i'm writing this*!
Good review. glad it's back!

#1. Posted by: joanne at February 8, 2007 11:24 AM

First it's great to be reading your great summary! Love them. They're plenty long and thanks for taking the time to do them in the first place!

No matter what's happening on the show - I'm hooked. I just like it. I hate the time off, but it's on and will be for the following whatever weeks.

The "Others" certainly have issues with one another. And Jules took care of hers with Danny. Did she murder him - or just defend Kate & Sawyer? I prefer the defending part.

My one complaint is why doesn't one of our Losties just say to the others, "What the hell are you doing here? Why are you messing with us?" But then that would end the show.

Anyway, it's great to have the show back on and to have Macs recaps!!!

#2. Posted by: David at February 8, 2007 11:33 AM

"Really. She got a male mouse pregnant -- just like "Junior," but without Arnold Schwarzenegger ... and with better acting. I'm not sure how or why she knocked up a male mouse, but this kind of thing gets fertility doctors hot"

Damn it's great to have you back Mac

Love the "now you know and knowing is half the battle" GI Joe reference

Regardless of your humble comment you still deliver the punch. Thank you. I hope family life is treating you well.
Looking forward to next week and each after as we have a marathon in front of us.

#3. Posted by: Stephen at February 8, 2007 11:39 AM

I found it funny that Pickett could should the walkie talkie out of Kates hand with supreme accuracy, but couldnt shoot Sawyer or Kate when they ran. =)

#4. Posted by: Dimitri at February 8, 2007 11:43 AM

@Dimitri -- that is an AWESOME point. Weren't there three different Dharma Drones blasting away? And none of them came anywhere close to Kate and Sawyer, yet Pickett can pop a walkie talkie from 20 yards. Riiiiiight. -- mac

#5. Posted by: mac at February 8, 2007 11:46 AM

A tour de force, Mac. One of your alltime great efforts. Alex "Deus ex Machina" Rousseau, indeed. Nailed it with wit and style.

Agree with your comment about lost momentum. So do the writers, judging from this breathless and over-wrought effort. Totally agree with your evaluation of the recounting of The Story scene, a great example. Reaction shots do not drama make.

Much as I liked your Michael Bay reference, though, I think it really deserves to be noted that the bizarre torturing of Carl was being played somewhere between the brainwashing scenes of "A Clockwork Orange" and the contemporary news accounts we have of how intelligence operatives are seeking to break prisoners in interrogation settings (e.g the combination of loud music, lights, drugs and sleep deprivation is a common theme). IMO, they're playing with fire going there. Getting too close to current events hasn't done "24" any favors this season, in terms of the reaction its spawned.

A stylish return to the stage, Pappa Mac. Well done!

#6. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 8, 2007 11:50 AM

Great to have ya back, Mac!

So, the 3 years, 2 months time frame Juliet suggests -- somehow things are tied in with September 11th?

Also, the EW article mentioned an anagram -- did anyone see one? They said it was important...

#7. Posted by: lostchao at February 8, 2007 11:50 AM

Dimitri, I made the exact same comment to the missus as we were watching.

I suspect the anagram is somewhere in the brainwashing video. I also suspect that frame-by-frame breakdown of that video with a Tivo or some such thing will produce plenty of ponderables.

#8. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 8, 2007 11:54 AM

Great wrap up Mac - Wouldn't know there were any changes in format - the humor is still there (I LOVED the badmitton and the Dolphin comments especially!)

#9. Posted by: Toni at February 8, 2007 11:55 AM

First of all, it's great to have the show and your blog back, Mac. Congratulations on the new member of the family and I hope you are able to get some sleep.

I really enjoyed this episode. I had a few thoughts to add:

1. Mittelos has to be connected to Thomas Mittelwerk. I did not follow the Lost Experience too closely, but read Cecil Rose's excellent summary. A Mittelwerk connection would suggest that Evil Ethan, Alpert, Ben and the whole Other crew are a rouge offshoot of Hanso's Dharma Initiative.

2. Dimitri, I couldn't agree more with your point about Pickett's shot. I thought the same thing as the ep played out.

3. The hiatus was completely irritating. I am a huge "24" fan also and their move to the non-stop season format a few years ago was rewarded with something like a 20% boost in their ratings. Hopefully ABC does the same thing with Lost and runs season 4 and 5 from January through May. The wait will be tough for us die-hards, but it will be worth from the fan and the ratings perspective.

#10. Posted by: KDub at February 8, 2007 12:02 PM

Edmund Burke is a famous philosopher, the father of ango-amercan conservatism. Check out wikipedia for more info. Says connected to Rousseaus's philisophy.

Also, maybe the anagram is Mittelos -- Time Lost, or Lost Time. So, maybe time is moving at a different rate on the island.

#11. Posted by: lostchao at February 8, 2007 12:03 PM

Thank the heavens Lost is back! I loved seeing Juliet as a meek little underling- I wonder if they'll give her an "Island Flashback" at some point so we can see how she became the WonderWoman she is today.
I hope Jack gets assimilated like she did (resistance is futile).
Anyway, as usual Mac, your review was the best part of my day, had me chuckling away at my desk!
Can't wait for next Wednesday, and the 14 Wednesdays after that!!

#12. Posted by: sarah c at February 8, 2007 12:04 PM

WHOA I never got the 9-11 reference. That goes along lines with my theory that the 3rd season will conclude with the sRi Lanka Tsunami. Maybe the island will cause it - who knows. They are walking a razor's edge and I like it.

#13. Posted by: Stephen at February 8, 2007 12:05 PM

@lostchao - The only anagram posibility I could thing to run was Mittelos. Here are the results that may apply, or may not of course:

Lost Time
Time Lost
Time Slot

'Where are we?'

#14. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 8, 2007 12:06 PM

About the sister...at first I also thought she must have cancer but after the scene played out, I wonder if her apparent ill health was the side effect of taking the experimental drugs Juliet was giving her - all in an effort to get pregnant which apparently was very important to her.

#15. Posted by: Diana at February 8, 2007 12:07 PM

That psycho-trippy room that Carl was in gave me a headache just watching it! Kinda made me think back to "3 minutes" when Ms. Klugh said to Walt: "Do you want me to put you in the room again?"
And speaking of 3 minutes, kinda coincidental that Jack told Juliette she had 3 minutes to talk to Ben in the OR. There were quite a few tie-ins to last season in this ep.

BTW Mac: Hermit crabs feasting on Pickett's corpse.
Have funnier words ever been uttered?

#16. Posted by: Trinity at February 8, 2007 12:13 PM

Anagram also could be Lost Item?

#17. Posted by: Josh at February 8, 2007 12:18 PM

Did anyone else love Dr. Alpert's eyeliner as much as I did?

Spooky.

#18. Posted by: Ali at February 8, 2007 12:20 PM

Did everyone miss the fact that in the very beginning of the episode when Juliet is walking to the apartment to administer the shot to Rachel she passed ETHAN in the hallway!??? Then somehow he shows up at the end of the episode and they somehow know all this stuff about Juliet's sister? It seems these Others have a big big interest in human reproduction. I have no idea what it could mean but I think the Ethan sighting merits some discussion!

#19. Posted by: karen at February 8, 2007 12:21 PM

@ karen

I was going to mention that we saw Ethan in the beginning of the episode also. Juliette even said that she thought she had seen him before. I wonder what he was doing with her sister or if her sister was maybe involved with them in the beginning and helping to get Juliette to join them.

#20. Posted by: ydnewc1 at February 8, 2007 12:23 PM

Glad to have you back Mac.

At the beggining of the show Jules goes from sitting on the beach to walking down a hall to where her sister was. I did not think this was a back story because Ethan walked past her and said hello. Is that what I saw, or am I just crazy?

If that is the case, then the Dharma paople must have been watching her for quite some time.

I to hate the format. Just give us all 23 episodes in a row. Again, glad you are back Mac, now all is in order.

#21. Posted by: Gerard Kleinsmith at February 8, 2007 12:25 PM

I think the guard at the Gattacaish building was named Aldo. Did anyone else catch this?

Also, I totally noticed Ethan in the hallway, which is why Juliet looks at Ethan at the morgue and asks if she knows him.

#22. Posted by: Cassandra at February 8, 2007 12:28 PM

Ahhhhhhhh.....

So nice to have you "back mac"

Great synop as always !

Another place the brainwashing scene may reference is the chimpanzee brainwashing scene at the beginning of "28 Days Later" were the evil animal experiments lab is brainwashing chimps with continious vid clips of war scenes and loud music to make them aggressive. The chimps end up attacking some luckless PETA drones who go out and infect the rest of the UK with the zombie blood virus.
I wonder why CARL is the one they are brainwashing ?
Are they going to try and make him Ethan's next replacement ?
Ethan always seemed kinda doey-eyed and sappy to me, exactly as if his brain was only running in first or second gear. Mayhap that was a result of the same technique being used on Carl ?

Keep up great work mac !

scully

#23. Posted by: Scully815 at February 8, 2007 12:31 PM

First time poster, long time reader.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Tom's comments? His dialogue, albeit brief, seemed rather important.

List To Me

#24. Posted by: jiggy at February 8, 2007 12:33 PM

jiggy

which conversation are you talking about? where he says "they have history"?

#25. Posted by: karen at February 8, 2007 12:34 PM

For someone who prefaced this review with the caveat, "I won't be able to cover every detail" you sure did a FNATASTIC job! Typical Mac -- dead-on perfect review. Thank you.

Lots to ponder before next Wednesday, which is Desmond-centric apparently.

#26. Posted by: GatorGal at February 8, 2007 12:37 PM

@ jiggy

Are you talking about the conversation where Tom says that since the sky went purple.... something about them either not having contact with outside world anymore or not being able to leave.

#27. Posted by: ydnewc1 at February 8, 2007 12:37 PM

Multiple Musings:

o The walkie talkie shot

Blind luck, perhaps?

o "My name's Tom".

But then Jack should already know that - remember the other other who spilled the beans on the dock? Of course, Jack et al. may have been a bit distracted at the time, what with bindings, and hoodings, and kneelings, and purple skies, and all.

o Mittleos Bioscience URL -

Not working at the moment, probably due to a gazillion hits on the server this morning. When it does come up, if it does, try logging in with name 'jburke', and password 'rachel' (you tell them a million times not to use guessable passwords, but do they listen...?), then go for PROJECTS/CURRENT PROJECTS for an interesting little app. Probably a fan site and not official ABC/Disney, who'd have been better prepared for the surge, but interesting, nevertheless. It was active for one single day, yesterday, and whoever put it up had obvious advance knowledge of "Not in Portland".

o Room 23 -

Anybody got access to a copy of 1984? What was the number of the room where you faced your ultimate fear? (Rats, in the Smith's case). Was it 23?

o Sister Rachel

For "Deadwood" fans, that was Calamity Jane.

o "N miles across the sea..."

Anybody besides me not particularly daunted by a two mile swim? What's the big deal?

o The show's schedule -

Yeah, Mac, lame, but they probably won't change it. The layout as it was was to keep original episodes in all three of the major sweeps months (November, February, and May), which is when audiences are measured to drive advertisin rates. Any straight-through season doesn't have 30 or more shows could never cover all three, so it's either reruns or hiati.

o For a little "Lost" humor

Try the following:(Mac'l probably personally have to authorize this)

www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/272811
www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/352762

o So, Mac...

How's the new mom? How's the baby? And did we ever get a name?

o And lastly...

Click above on TV+, then TV Drama, then Rome to visit another fine blog. (he said, modestly)

#28. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 8, 2007 12:38 PM

I can't believe I nearly forgot that Lost returned last night! I missed the first 10 minutes!! I so agree that the hiatus was waaayy too long and completely unnecessary!

No one said anything about Kate taking the gun from Sawyer to shoot the guard in the knee. I LOVED that part!

I must admit that had last night's show been as disappointing as the 'fall finale', I probably wouldn't be watching again.

I also agree with you, Mac, about "My name is Tom". I laughed so hard and told the TV, not it's not, it's Zeke!

My husband was wondering why those missed shots (when Pickett was firing at Sawyer & Kate) were only hitting one tree!

#29. Posted by: Paula at February 8, 2007 12:38 PM

For someone who prefaced this review with the caveat, "I won't be able to cover every detail" you sure did a FNATASTIC job! Typical Mac -- dead-on perfect review. Thank you.

Lots to ponder before next Wednesday, which is Desmond-centric apparently.

#30. Posted by: GatorGal at February 8, 2007 12:40 PM

During Ben's surgery, Jack asked Tom why they don't just get Ben off the island to have the tumor taking care of. Tom replies that they would have but after the sky turned purple (hatch implosion)... then was cut off. It looks like everyone is now stuck on the island and can not reach the real world any more. Including Mike and Walt. Apparently they will be retuning according to the producers.

#31. Posted by: Glen at February 8, 2007 12:42 PM

glen

didn't they realize that ben had the tumor before the castaways even landed on the island? ben said "2 days after i find i have a tumor on my spine, a spinal surgeon drops from the sky" (or something like that). maybe they were hoping to convince jack to do the surgery but by the time they realized they couldn't convince him it was too late b/c the hatch had imploded and they were stuck?

#32. Posted by: karen at February 8, 2007 12:51 PM

Great to have ya back, Mac. Great re-cap - might be a touch shorter than the "Old Mac" but I think you've nailed all the salient points.

I saw that bus coming a mile away when it was still parked at the end of the block. Any chance Ethan was driving it?

Maybe it's just me but I was really hoping Sawyer or Kate would've said, "We're gonna need a bigger boat..."

#33. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 8, 2007 12:53 PM

Karen

I think you're right about the timeline. I suppose the others did not realize the power of pushing the button or else they would have taken it more seriously. Don't push the button and everyone is trapped on the island. Big mistake.

#34. Posted by: Glen at February 8, 2007 12:54 PM

Couldn't agree with you more on the Lost momentum shift. The 13 weeks went by with hardly a notice. In fact, I probably would have missed last night's episode were it not for a buddy's phone call.To put it in perspective, 13 weeks after the end of the NFL football season I am jonesing so much for the game that I am watching NFL Europe or replays of classic games on the NFL network. I have watched every Lost episode from day 1. Like most of you I read the blogs and listen to the podcasts. Yet the Lost crew has a lot of catch up to do to get my attention. For starters they can start giving us definitive answers to some of the mysteries. "Throw me a bone" please

#35. Posted by: RC at February 8, 2007 12:58 PM

i'm having trouble figuring out why everyone is so hyper about alex? why do they not want her on that island? everyone always seems to go crazy whenever she shows up.

#36. Posted by: karen at February 8, 2007 12:59 PM

How about Kate in Miami (roughly same time?) taking a pregnancy test.

#37. Posted by: jiggy at February 8, 2007 1:04 PM

I think alex draws a lot of attention since she is against everthing that the others are all about. It seems like both she and Karl are out to disrupt the others projects. The only thing going in her favor is that she is Ben's adopted daughter (stolen daughter). The sleep deprivation chamber the they found Karl in was meant to break him. I think they failed, for now.

#38. Posted by: Glen at February 8, 2007 1:05 PM

The Others will not give up the 'children' without a serious tradeoff (like Walt)...and, although Alex was just a baby, she is one of the clan of 'captured' inhabitants. And, as mac commented, we have yet to figure out the 'father Ben' history!

#39. Posted by: JT at February 8, 2007 1:07 PM

Ok, first of all - was that bus going 80mph in a hospital zone on a surface street? COME ON.

I misheard - I thought it was Mr. Albert :o) The only thing I could think of when I saw Nestor Carbonell was the Suddenly Susan ep where his character made some derogatory comment about Menudo and former members ganged up on him in the parking lot, but instead of beating him up they put on Menudo music and danced a choreographed number. I couldn't take him seriously as a recruiter for Mittelos.

I see some Jack and Juliet action coming now that Jack has more of a common bond with her (being prisoners and all).

Where was Rodridgo Santoro, Mac? Still dropping a deuce in the Pearl toilet? Stop eating those mangos, man!

#40. Posted by: Connie at February 8, 2007 1:13 PM

GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! (Mac, quite the dad...giving a shout out to Maggie and her not-so-mean beast?)

Welcome back everyone!

Last night was nuts- the recap was superb (as always) and so far many good points have been made. Of course, I'm waiting for Grimm and Gatorgal to post...

Can I get a shout out to my little brother, Jiggy, who just joined the forum! It's about time!

@Cecil- I think it was room 111 in 1984 where they took you to face your biggest fear...but I loved that they finally used "one of the numbers" as a room number #23.

How can Ben be Alex's father? Didn't Ben introduce himslef to Jack claiming that he was born on the island? Didn't Danielle say she was pregnant when she got shipwrecked here?

I want to love Juliette, but is she bad, or just a cool bad-ass?

WGNABB

#41. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at February 8, 2007 1:16 PM

Re:God loves you as He loves Jacob.....I think it is referring to the Jacob of the Torah. Son of Issac, grandson of Abraham, Jacob had 12 sons (including Joseph of the "technicolor dreamcoat" fame)...anyway, God changed Jacobs name to Israel and his sons become the 12 tribes of Israel.

#42. Posted by: debbie at February 8, 2007 1:17 PM

First, How's fatherhood treating you, Mac? Hope the baby's well!
Speaking of fatherhood, did anyone think that maybe the reason Ethan showed up in Rachel's apartment building was because he might be her "secret lover"? I mean, she had to get pregnant somehow, and Juliet was just giving her fertility drugs, not artificially inseminating her. So what if Ethan was Rachel's baby's father?

Also, I agree with Mac about the fact that everyone looked unusually heartbroken over Jack's story as Kate told it on the beach. Odd.

Grey's Anatomy tie-in: Both shows have a Dr. Shepard, and also a Dr. Burke.

#43. Posted by: Christina at February 8, 2007 1:20 PM

"Juliet -- who's clearly smarter than the average bear" How long did it take her to figure out the fish biscuit problem? Less than 2 hours?

As for shooting the walkie talkie, I think it was random but at least he was getting closer to hitting his target than THE TREELINE.

@Cecil Rose-As a landlocked person, I would think 2 miles of ocean swimming, with known sharks (Sawyer was on the boat when the Dharma shark was seen) and riptides (Joanna, season 1), would be very daunting to most people.

#44. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 8, 2007 1:23 PM

Great job, Mac. Whatever or however much you write, based on the time you have available, is fine with me.

-- Best Sawyer nickname last night was "Cheech" (i.e. Cheech & Chong) to Carl in the canoe. LOL!!

-- Alex / Rousseau / Ben ... Confused!! I've always assumed Alex is Rousseau's Alex. 16 years. Girl. Same name. But last night they say Alex is Ben's daughter. Huh??? I don't get it. Good point about Ben/Henry in the net, Mac. But if Ben was truly born on the island and if Rousseau was shipwrecked ... Confused!!

-- Yep, there's something about the purple sky (hatch blow) and traveling off the island that's connected. They totally hinted at that last night.

-- MOST INTERESTING: When Alpert showed Juliet the 26-year-old womb that appeared to be a 70-year-old womb, I thought that was pretty significant. Why would a 26-year-old have a deteriorating womb? Is it someone on the island? And why is her womb messed up? Is it the island? Is it "time lost"? Is a 26-year-old on the island really as old as 70? Hmmmmm.

Welcome back, LOST! I love it!!!

#45. Posted by: Matt at February 8, 2007 1:25 PM

1984 room # 101. Thanks Google!

#46. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 8, 2007 1:33 PM

Know whats REALLY gonna stop the show from catching momentum? Moving LOST to 10 PM because ABC is afraid of American Idol being on at 9 PM Wed.

#47. Posted by: JB at February 8, 2007 1:35 PM

Anybody get the number of that bus?

#48. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 8, 2007 1:39 PM

@JB - I totally agree. It's lame, I know, but I almost fell asleep waiting for the episode! I hate AI and there's nothing to watch at 9pm! Thank God for repeats of Extras! Are ya having a laugh?!

#49. Posted by: Connie at February 8, 2007 1:46 PM

Could all of the concern about Alex going to the big island be that the Others don't want her to reunite with Rousseau?!
Does she even know about her mother?

Great recap, as ever, Mac!

#50. Posted by: Tazbee at February 8, 2007 1:55 PM

Great to have you back, MacDad!
No differences with the past recaps, you're just greater and briefer :)

#51. Posted by: Mj at February 8, 2007 2:07 PM

How about the BEST recap episode ever shown on TV, which happened before the real episode last night!!! Hosted and narrated by the shows creator/producers - it was great, because you got some insight into what THEY thought was important to share. I loved getting their point of view about certain characters and plot themes.

#52. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 8, 2007 2:08 PM

Regarding Dr. Scumbag becoming one with the bus:

One characteristic of an Other recruit is that they have the power to will things to happen, whether they know it or not. Given the remarks made by the Others about Walt, he fit a profile they had already defined before. In the morgue scene, the Others (oddly, in the normal world) reassure Juliete that she didn't make the bus accident happen by what she said. ISTM that what is being suggested to the audience is that, in fact, she did, just as it's been implied that Walt willed his mother's death.

This would also suggest an explanation for Juliete's ability to impregnate male field mice and barren sisters. It's less about her gifts as a bio-researcher and more about her other, more unique, gifts. When, in the Lost universe, we are told that a character has accomplished the biologically impossible, and follow that up with a virtually impossible coincidence, it's time to start thinking in Lost universe terms about the explanation.

#53. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 8, 2007 2:14 PM

Great recap as always I had a couple of addittions to the discussion.

1- The anagram "lost time" seems to refer to supernatural, time-altering aspects of the island, but it could also be related to the Hanso organization. It seems like they were well-funded and organized a long time ago. However, some time ago they became disorganized and lost members. The time between that downfall and Juliet's recruitment could be the "lost time" they are refering to. Perhaps she's there to get them more babies to continue their research into whatever the hell they're researching.

2- This lost time for the organization also makes sense with the prematurely aging womb. They could have messed up their reproductive organs with their little experiments on the island a long time ago and thus lost a lot of time trying to repopulate and figure out what went wrong.

3- Trying this theory out here. Has anyone read Michael Crichton's book "Prey"? The smoke montster seems an awful lot like a cloud of nano machines similar to the ones in that book.

#54. Posted by: Chris at February 8, 2007 2:17 PM

Great Recap Mac

No comments on what Aldo was ready while on guard?
A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawkings.....which is about far of galaxies, black hole, and alternate dimensions.
When Desmond turn the fail safe key maybe he traveled to an alternate dimension. Remember the hatch imploded into itself.....very similar to a black hole......aka the door to anonther dimension.

#55. Posted by: fowleball at February 8, 2007 2:22 PM

Great Recap Mac

#56. Posted by: fowleball at February 8, 2007 2:23 PM

Do we know if Juliet is GOOD or BAD? You think she is Good by seeing her back story and by her secretly telling Jack to kill Ben. BUT before she even had her conversation with Ben, she was sending out the goons to go kill Kate and Sawyer. Was that just a cover in front of the other "Others" or did she not care if they died? Does she just care about getting off the island at any cost? This is why I love this show.

Also, the 9/11 connection is kinda interesting.

Also, I think the "70 year old" photos are of Juliets sister. By taking all those experimental drugs, it might of messed her up. And Ethan was in that room right before Juliet walked. (When the past in the hallway). Her sister could be in on all of this.

#57. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at February 8, 2007 2:23 PM

Lost and Mac are Back .... life is good :-)

I am having a hard time with the logistics around the panzee doctor getting hit with the bus. Heah .. it makes for a good conspiracy tie in, but think of the details. Dr. Panzee stepped off the curb on his own and the bus was bookin' when it hit him. Considering the bus would have had to get a running start to get to that speed, coupled with the exact moment that dude stepped off the curb, well ... just seems implausible from an analytical perspective. I'm pretty sure the Dharma Dudes somehow orchestrated it, just can't imagine how. Any ideas?

#58. Posted by: Saminator at February 8, 2007 2:26 PM

@Cecil -- did anyone get the number of that bus! HA! Good stuff.

WOW have I missed all of this. If not for Heroes and Lost I wouldn't watch network TV...

@Mac, @Matt -- gotta go against you and give best Sawyer nick to Alex aka "Underdog" (coming out of the camoflaged pit). Classic!

#59. Posted by: BELost at February 8, 2007 2:27 PM

@Chris
the nano machine theory was already discredited by the producers.

Great episode. I actually have to disagree with I guess everyone about the hiatus. Obviously it was undesirable but I think the anticipation that builds within a die-hard lost fan keeps the momentum of the show in a self-perpetuating engine, if you will. Of course, with a better cliff hanger this can be expedited, but I remember 3 months ago thinking....can't wait for lost. 2 months ago thinking....getting closer. Just one week ago....OMG 1 week until lost returns - I'm boiling with anticipation. Anyway, maybe it's just me. Great to have you back Mac.

#60. Posted by: Matt at February 8, 2007 2:29 PM

Whoa! The Mittelos Bioscience website is surreal! VERY insightful if it is, in fact, supported by the show and not just the creative musings of a fan. Does anyone know how to check?

Anyway, some key "revelations" (if the site is to be believed):

There are THREE islands! Yes, three.

1. CONTROL: includes zoological research, indoctrination facility and quarry

2. EXPERIMENTAL: includes electromagnetic research, medical station and observation & conditioning

3. OBSERVATION: includes security, supply depot adn Casimir Studies (whatever the heck that means)

The site also references a new Fertility Treatment Center (with photo) scheduled to open in 2009.

In the "about Us" section, the focus of the private research center is on:

Life Extension
Fertility
Preservation of Life

Executive bios are on the site, too including ones for:

Jonas Mittelos, founder
Richard Alpert, lead recruiter (Mr. Creepy eyeliner guy)
Elija Allen, president of R&D
Juliet Burke, presiednt of the fertility division
Dr. Ethan Rom, Phd. genome project

If anyone has the technical know-how to investigate the validity of this site, it would sure be intersting to know.

Thanks to CECIL ROSE for the tip on Juliet's login and password! Give it a try!

#61. Posted by: GatorGal at February 8, 2007 2:29 PM

GAFRAM!
YATKOALER!

(For the newbies...
Great and funny review again Mac!
You are the king of all Lost episode reviewers!)

I really didn't notice much of a difference between today's review and your previous ones Mac. I didn't feel like we were missing a thing from you, which is cool.

I also thought the walkie-shot was luck. I'm sure he was just aiming for Kate in general.

My impression is that the bus incident was not 'willed' by Juliet, but was completely orchestrated by Mr. Alpert/Ethan. Something they had to do to free Juliet up to come work for them, based on what she said it would take. (And they are apparently VERY literal people!)

Hmmm. My first impression was that Rachel was impregnated with Juliet's help alone, ie, WITHOUT any male interaction. Not necessarily artificial insemination, but something else. Upon further reflection, I'm probably wrong, but who knows? It WAS strange that Ethan was heading away from the apt. Rachel was in when Juliet passed him in the hall.

The plot really did thicken with this Juliet backstory. She came to the island (her new job) willingly, but has not been allowed to leave. And she obviously has wanted to get out of there for a while. So what are her motivations to be so Dharma-like and evil sometimes when she was just a normal person 3 years earlier?

#62. Posted by: JoePike at February 8, 2007 2:43 PM

Mittelos = anagram for "lost time"

#63. Posted by: Shasha at February 8, 2007 2:44 PM

About the "Mittelos Bioscience" company - the VP of the Hanso Foundation, parent company of the Dharma Initiative, is Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk.

And if you can take a close look at a screencap of the extracurricular activities slide of the PPT presentation, it's obvious that the people on bikes and hiking in the jungle are indeed NOT in Portland, but on a tropical island.

#64. Posted by: unfake1 at February 8, 2007 2:45 PM

What Mittelos site are you looking at? The ones I keep clicking on say "Service Unavailable."

I'm not sure about the 9/11 theory - didn't the writers say once there was no specific time/date the plane crashed? It could have been a year ago our time or a five years ago?

#65. Posted by: Connie at February 8, 2007 2:47 PM

Two comments:

(1) The brainwashing video Carl was watching reminded me of "The Parallax View" from the early '70's which features a corporation that uses videos like that to condition antisocial types into assassins or people that can be framed for assassinations.
(2) I know everyone here thinks that it was being implied that Alex is the daughter (adopted or otherwise) of Ben, and they may be right, but I'd like to add that while watching the episode I thought it was being implied that Alex was Pickett's daughter. Consequently I also thought that Pickett was not dead but just wounded in the confrontation on the beach. I think I was confused by the frequent use of the terms "his," "her" and "your" without any obvious context.

#66. Posted by: Salem at February 8, 2007 2:55 PM

Two comments:

#67. Posted by: Salem at February 8, 2007 2:56 PM

Has anyone considered that the anagram they alerted us to is actually the title of the episode? I've tried lots of different options, and I come up with some interesting words (polar, inland, tidal, etc.) but nothing that makes a complete phrase and makes sense. Any takers?

#68. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 8, 2007 3:02 PM

Did Jules really impregnant her sister or was it Evil Ethan? If you recall in Jules original flashback, Evil Ethan was mysteriously coming from her sisters room before she got there.

#69. Posted by: Tuna at February 8, 2007 3:06 PM

@Connie
It was established that it is 2004 because Jack is astonished to see that the Boston Red Sox won the World Series which would have taken place that year and they have only been on the island for a few months.

#70. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 8, 2007 3:07 PM

Great review and glad to have Lost back.

Did anyone watch Day Break, the "replacement" for Lost while it was on hiatus? I did, and then have had to watch the remaining episodes online. I thought it was a great show, but due to the fact it got cancelled, I'm sure not too many of you were watching.

Are any of you lipreaders? We need someone to turn their TV upside down and read Ben's lips when he was talking to Juliet.

Also, Kate did say "we're gonna need a boat," and when she did, I chuckled to myself.

#71. Posted by: Trevenator at February 8, 2007 3:08 PM

If Alex was Picketts daughter then it wouldn't make any difference if Alex left or not because he's dead (or so we think!). Didn't Juliet say something about "him" being mad if she left?

#72. Posted by: karen at February 8, 2007 3:09 PM

In the pre-episode "Lost Survival Guide", where the producers were talking about Easter eggs, was that Walt as the "have you seen me" kid on the side of the milk carton that Hurley is guzzling from? Anyone notice (now, or the first time around)? Maybe Desmond? It was a quick clip...

Re: Island Security: Not only are there sharks in the water between islands, but there are DHARMA SHARKS! AHHHH!!!

Great action-packed episode; thanks for the recap!

#73. Posted by: Guv at February 8, 2007 3:13 PM

Glad to have these recaps back, Thank you Mac. I think what was meant with the whole kate jack story was that they do share really deep feelings for each other. The look on Sawyers face said it all. Romance and love mac thats what it was about

#74. Posted by: dawn at February 8, 2007 3:13 PM

"Not in Portland" anagrams:
Inland not port, Land tin pronto

Try your luck at wordsmith.org/anagram or just google 'anagram'!

#75. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 8, 2007 3:17 PM

@Guv

yep, that was walt on the milk container. or at least i thought it looked like him.

#76. Posted by: karen at February 8, 2007 3:19 PM

Great review Mac!

To ease your mind, I read an article a couple of weeks ago. Evidently the producers met with the network to set an end date for the show so that they could finsh developing their storyline time arcs. The article also said that next season LOST will most likely premiere in January and run all episodes continuously, a la 24 style. I don't think that anyone is happy with this three month hiatus.

#77. Posted by: ac at February 8, 2007 3:22 PM

@Pieces - You're absolutely right - I totally forgot about that. I pick up way more clues reading everyone's posts than when I watch the show! I'm just not that observant and/or have short-term memory!

What was w/ that weird Tomorrow People audio/visual meltdown room Carl was in?

#78. Posted by: Connie at February 8, 2007 3:27 PM

OK had to skim through the comments so I am not sure if this has been touched on but could Dr. Alpert be Jacob?

Also as far as them getting Ben outside help and hte hatch explosion. He sent Michael for Jack before the hatch exploded. Not sure how that ties in.

I too think its funnny how they never ask eachother anything. When Jack was standing there with Tom I was thinking - why doesn't he ask him ANYTHING. I also thought to myself when he said "My name is Tom" - "Well it is Zeke to me!"

I didn't remember what Zeke had said to Jack though!

Great re-cap - can't think of much you missed!!! Thanks again.

#79. Posted by: Melissa at February 8, 2007 3:28 PM

Oh man how I missed Lost and totally missed your great reviews! And although you stated your review would be a bit shorter, you still managed to keep it lenghty (which I love - just can't get enough of you) ...um

Anyway!

My only comment is in reference to the Lost Survival Guide. Can't see how they can recap from season 1 and 2 and totally leave out Michael & Walt's story line. We wouldn't have known about the Others if they hadn't kidnapped Walt. Did that seem odd or intentional.

#80. Posted by: amelia at February 8, 2007 3:29 PM

I was surprised to hear that Juliet claims Ben is going to "let her go home," implying that not only is there a way home, but that Ben seems to be the one in charge of handing out the one way tickets to where ever "home" is...must be pretty easy to accomplish if he can do so with the snap of his fingers. How will she get there? How long will it take to arrange transportation there? How long will it take to get home? Methinks Dr. Jack ought to look into this idea while he has the chance as FHG/Ben is still coming out of the surgery...

#81. Posted by: Vikki at February 8, 2007 3:31 PM

On another note....is it possible for FHG/Ben to be Alex's biological dad? I need a refresher course, if someone would kindly oblige....Was Rousseau pregnant when she was shipwrecked on the island, or was the baby born already? Either way, does this mean Ben could have been on the same boat as Russeau? Or are the Others just playing games with us again???? What are the possible scenarios?
-FHG/Ben and Rousseau on same boat with history
-FHG/Ben meets Rousseau on the island...they "have history" too...
-Alex not Ben's daughter at all but he is the one that took her from Rousseau

#82. Posted by: Vikki at February 8, 2007 3:38 PM

On Vikki's comment -

Didn't Ben tell Jack that if he cooperated with them that he could get to go home? I can't remember - stupid hiatus!

#83. Posted by: ac at February 8, 2007 3:38 PM

Harold Perrineau (Michael) is shooting a pilot. I guess if it takes off Michael & Walt are no more, but if it does, he'll be back :D

Walt's probably a full-grown man by now (how long has it been anyway?) that they may need to recast if they bring him back!

#84. Posted by: Connie at February 8, 2007 3:48 PM

"Mittelos" could also be "Lost Item", but "Lost Time" makes more sense.

I've always maintained that the Others are not Dharma, that they're occupying facilities abandoned by Dharma. So unless Mittelos is a subsidiary of Dharma, looks like the Others are Mittelos people.

#85. Posted by: Darryl at February 8, 2007 3:57 PM

Ironic that Juliet got herself into an 'out of the frying pan into the fire' situation.

Her ex-husband, a man she has 'history' with, above her in 'rank' (and in control of her job situation) would never let her leave the company for a new job. Until his untimely passing.

And now...

Ben, a man she has 'history with', above her in 'rank' (and in control of her job/life situation) won't let her leave the job/island. Until his almost untimely passing...

Love the symmetry!

#86. Posted by: JoePike at February 8, 2007 4:05 PM

Welcome back Mac, great to have your reviews. I agree 100% about ABC shooting themselves in the foot with the 3 month layoff.

Love your line from your reveiw ..
"Look carefully and you'll see a polar bear playing badminton with a smoke monster. It's Dharmadise!"

I was on the floor laughing for almost an five minutes"

Thanks for being back, you make Thursdays at work a lot more fun. See you next week.

Peace

Kalico

#87. Posted by: Kalico at February 8, 2007 4:20 PM

I just went to the mittelos site, and loging into the current projects shows a map of the 3 islands, and then an email appears from Rachel. That email has a link to a video that is from Rachel and her daughter, now about 2 or 3 it seems. The video then gets interrupted by a warped, garbled image of a man in shadows warning Juliet that she is an experiment, they are going to kill her, and they started trafficing slaves in the 1800's for human experiments. It was very hard to make out some of the audio, but very clear statements.

#88. Posted by: jim at February 8, 2007 4:21 PM

When Juliette said "go out and get them", the them I thought she was talking about was Danny and his gang. She did not want Danny stopping Kate and Sawyer's excape because Jack would then not finish the operation. Did anyone else thing this?

#89. Posted by: michael at February 8, 2007 4:22 PM

I have to say that I knew that guy was going to get hit with a bus, but it still scared the crap out of me. I rewinded and slowed it down to see that again. I know thats mean, but it was ausome in its own sick, twisted way. Also, props to the lost crew for that scene. Even in slow-mo, it looked real.

P.S. I'm so happy Lost is FINALLY back!!

#90. Posted by: Castaway at February 8, 2007 4:27 PM

Hey mac great to have you back, it was a long 13 weeks without lost and my thursdays were no fun without your recaps.
One thought some people mentioned above that zeke/tom said to jack that they were no longer able to leave the island most likely because of the hatch explosion.
If this is the case then wouldnt ben have just used juliette and jack for his gain.
He promised jack he would let him go home if he cooperated and he promised juliette that if she helped him and helped kate and sawyer escape that she would be allowed to go home.
in my opinion this just proves how evil ben really is because he makes these promises to jack and juliette while knowing that he can keep them.
any one have any thoughts??

again its great to have you back macn and i didnt even notice a different in the review, i didnt feel like you missed anything!

#91. Posted by: sawyer<3 at February 8, 2007 4:32 PM

Since everyone seems really bothered by Pickett's poor aim last night, I thought I'd offer my 2 cents on the "lucky" walkie-talkie shot: It's just much harder to hit a moving target, especially when you're moving through a thick jungle.

#92. Posted by: Trinity at February 8, 2007 4:33 PM

Heard that Alpert's license plate was NCC-1701. Nice touch.

According to Wikipedia, Rachel is the second and favorite wife of Jacob and mother of Joseph and Benjamin. Rachel was unable to conceive for many years, and eventually died in childbirth.

Maybe a Joseph will show up...

Also, heard Kate's husband's first wife was named Rachel.

#93. Posted by: lostchao at February 8, 2007 4:36 PM

Vikki -

We are all going on the assumption that the Other's Alex is Rousseau's kidnapped daughter. Of course we were meant to make such an assumption (she's the right age, she has Rousseau-like hair, her name is Alex, etc.) BUT that has never actually been confirmed to my knowledge. We all just jumped to that conclusion when Alex helped Clair escape.

But, to confirm Danielle's story, she claimed to be very pregnant when she landed on the island.

#94. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 8, 2007 4:38 PM

On the Mittelos website, the third island says, Casimir Studies. I looked up Casimir Effect on wikepedia and it talks about the force between object and black holes. Wasn't there a possible third island on the map Sayid took from Danielle, but it was invisible or something like that?

#95. Posted by: ydnewc1 at February 8, 2007 4:43 PM

the anagram is clearly: molest it.

#96. Posted by: jessica at February 8, 2007 4:49 PM

Oh, and Rachel died giving birth to her son Benjamin.
Supposedly Jacob wrestled with an angel/god and was not defeated, then was renamed Israel, and said "I have seen God face to face and lived".
But, what I want to know, is what/where are the children!

#97. Posted by: lostchao at February 8, 2007 4:50 PM

The first time we see Juliet injecting Rachel - just before that in the conversation they are having - don't they mention a 'him' in a sentence something like 'don't let him know' or 'what if he finds out' or something like that?

I wish I had lots of time to replay the shows.... everyone else's comments and observations help - you all see things I miss. (and remember things I forget!)

Thanks!

#98. Posted by: Helen at February 8, 2007 4:54 PM

Great to have the recaps back, I am a first time poster and longtime reader. I wanted to bring up that in the Bible Rachel is the wife and great love of Jacob,s life and she had trouble getting pregnant. She even had to let her servant have children for Jacob.

#99. Posted by: geri at February 8, 2007 4:58 PM

Hi Mac,
I am glad to read your great, funny reviews again! So yes, your blog is read in Germany, too.

I have noticed some points:

1) During Kate telling the "story", it became clear that she loves Jack (and vice versa), not Sawyer. I think that the Others somehow forced her to sleep with Sawyer to become pregnant! It would be no problem for Juliet to make her fertile and tell Kate that Jack will die if she will not start a sexual affair with Sawyer.

2) The video with all the "God loves you"-stuff seems to be made to change bad persons and give them some morals. (Just like in "Clockwork Orange"). That's why Sawyer seemed to be so affected by the video. Alex' boyfriend might not be such a nice boy as we thought ...

3) Mr. Alpert wore some very nice eye make-up!

Greetings, I am looking forward to reading your blog next week!

Deborah

#100. Posted by: Deborah at February 8, 2007 5:00 PM

Any physics people out there who can relate the Casimir effect, quantum field theory, electromagnetic fields, energy fields, and the Lost Island?

#101. Posted by: lostchao at February 8, 2007 5:00 PM

@lostchao

>Any physics people out there who can relate the Casimir effect, quantum field theory, electromagnetic fields, energy fields, and the Lost Island?

They're busy writing up their Nobel acceptance speeches.

#102. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 8, 2007 5:04 PM

@ac - thanks for that catch...you are correct..Ben told Jack that he could get Jack home while he watched the Sox win...

@hookedonlost...touche! We definitely do not have confirmation that she is indeed Rousseau's daughter...just food for thought I guess :)

#103. Posted by: Vikki at February 8, 2007 5:07 PM

@Helen:

I think the "him" in question was Ed, her ex-husband. She was stealing the medicine from him after all.

Also, that medicine looked really similar to the same injections Claire and Desmond were talking...

#104. Posted by: Chuck at February 8, 2007 5:08 PM

@michael
Juliet also said shoot them if you have to.

#105. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at February 8, 2007 5:15 PM

The bus driver was Ralph Kramden. When he saw Ed Norton pop up unexpectedly from a man-hole, he swerved onto the curb, and wiped out Ed Burke.

Welcome back "mac attack!"

#106. Posted by: ButchM at February 8, 2007 5:27 PM

Guys, long time reader, first time poster... but I just logged on the Mittelos (spelling) site as jburke, etc. and after a few minutes I received a "you've got a new message". I couldn't read everyone's post to see if it was already posted. Anyways, the message was supposedly from Rachel and the now fairly grown up kid.. (2-3 years old).. stating how much they miss Juliet. There was also a link to a video that shows the little girl but never Rachel, but the video gets cut off with black images and a voice in the background saying something about human experimentation, etc. Anyone make out what else was said? Near the end.. the voice said "they will kill you"!!

#107. Posted by: Quang at February 8, 2007 5:35 PM

Did we ever see Alpert's car? I think you may be talking about Hiro's Dad on Heroes? HIS license plate was NCC 1701...

#108. Posted by: Connie at February 8, 2007 5:48 PM

During the recap show, Damon Lindelhof and Carlton Cuse offer an exchange regarding the island. Would you say the island is 'Extra...ordinary'? Yes, I would say the island is Extra...ordinary. Wink wink.

Consider the insight given by the producers on this.

#109. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at February 8, 2007 6:13 PM

This may be an insane theory- but what if Alex is a Juliet-created child who has had accelerated growth?

The theory goes something like this:
1. Juliet used her voodoo fertility injections on unsuspecting Rousseau, telling Rousseau she had the "sickness", injecting her with the "cure" when in reality it was Juliet's pregnancy-causing vials.

2. Rousseau has the child (less than 3 years ago - if we are to believe Juliet has only been on the island 3 years), and in her insanity names the child Alex, the same name she had given her previous child. (or the Others named the child Alex to confuse Rousseau).

3. Time is not as it seems on this island and Alex grows faster than normal. So now she appears to be a 16 year old, when she is really only 3.

3a. This would explain why there are no children.

3b. It may explain why a 26 yr olds womb looks like that of a 70 yr old.

3c. The room Carl was in was designed to teach the 3 year old in a short period of time what a 16 year old should know... through brainwashing (a la Clockwork Orange).

4. The Others stole Alex from Rousseau, telling Alex that Ben was her father. Alex doesn't know any better and may have been brainwashed, like Carl, to believe this.

That's my crackpot theory of the week.

#110. Posted by: fishergm at February 8, 2007 6:43 PM

maybe the "purple sky" that tom was telling jack that cut them off from the world was from the "incident"

#111. Posted by: luke at February 8, 2007 7:48 PM

The anagram could be TIME SLOT as new episodes of LOST are now on an hour later!

#112. Posted by: Tammy at February 8, 2007 8:17 PM

I'd just like to know if the producers/writers have completely forgotten that Desmond's ex supposedly knows where the island is now?? That was one of the cliffhangers from last fall! And there's been not one whit said about it so far, not even during the recap show that was aired before this week's episode!

#113. Posted by: Laura at February 8, 2007 9:17 PM

Mittelos is a german term for "without any money or wealth".

#114. Posted by: TeeDee at February 8, 2007 9:31 PM

Great to have the blog back, Mac. Loved the review. I was hoping for a Zoo TV reference when you covered Room 23 (that was my first thought).

I like that you at least made reference to the name Zeke, even if you won't be using it as the primary moniker for Tom anymore.

@Debbie: The Jacob reference is definitely in regards to the same Jacob from "I Do." Pickett made reference to the fact that Ben put his life into one of "their hands," and that "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list."

Glad you're back, Mac. Lost wouldn't be the same without the blog.

#115. Posted by: James at February 8, 2007 11:29 PM

@Connie--Thanks for the Tomorrow People reference. That was one of my favorite shows! Cheesy British sci-fi rules!

mittelos = centerless in German (Babelfish)

I think Kate may love Jack but she is very insecure and, in the words of CSNY, loves the one she's with.

And forgive me for missing something but what is the 9/11 reference?

#116. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 9, 2007 9:35 AM

@ Guv: yes, you did see walt as the "missing child" on the milk carton. It did run with the original episode, but was easy to miss.

@ Connie: I believe "the room" is the same room that Mrs. Klugh threatened Walt with. Remember the scene in the Others tent with her, Michael and Walt when she told Walt to basiclly behave her and leave now or else he would get put bakc in "the room?"

@ Amelia: I though the fact that the Lost Survivor Guide left out the Michael/Walt story arc was odd too. Especailly since the producers have gone on record in interviews saying that those characters WILL be back and that we will find out what happened to them. Although, apparently it is not happening this season. sigh. But, it is interesting b/c of the wohle "leaving the island" thing and the promises Ben made to both Jack and Juliet to let them do so.

Regarding Names: Cuse has been quoted as saying that the characters' names are NOT assigned without reason. So, all of our discussion on the topic is at least, on track. Maybe???

@ Quang: I, too, saw the video" on the Mittelos website that is supposed to be from Rachel and now-toddler daughter to Juliet. The audio that I could make out (and a lot of it is garbled and hard to decipher) from the shadowy man is a warning to Juliet that she is an experiment and that they will kill her. For those of oyu having trouble accessing this site, keep refrshing and, when you get the not in service screen hit your back arrow and then click on exactly whatever you cliked on before. For some reason, this seems to be the only way I've been able to navigate it.

Y'all are great -- I love my lost-buddies! Now, back to work...groan.

#117. Posted by: GatorGal at February 9, 2007 10:24 AM

Another Easter Egg...
When Juliet opens the curtains in Rachels Apartment, displaying the Miami skyline...the plane that flys by has the Oceanic Airlines logo on the tail.

#118. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at February 9, 2007 10:34 AM

More Food for Fodder, this from an interview with Damon Lindelof:

On what the show is about: â€œThis show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their lives who get on an airplane and crash on an island and become physically lost on the planet Earth, and once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again."

He also was quoted as saying,
"There will be a big reminder this season that on the island, itâ€™s still November of 2004 and only three months have passed, which will help lead to â€œa major shakeup coming soon.â€

Dontcha just LOVE this show?

#119. Posted by: GatorGal at February 9, 2007 10:39 AM

Can anyone tell me if Rachel was the name of the woman that Jack's father and Anna Lucia visited last season? I beleive he wanted to see a child for some reason. (Maybe that's why Anna Lucia will be returning periodically in flashbacks)

What was the number on the bus?

Were the injections Juliet was giving her sis the same ones they gave to kidnapped pregnant Claire? Or were they somehow related to her not catching whatever it is (quarantines?) that atrophies a female's reproductive organs on the island so she could carry to full term

Go DaddyMac

#120. Posted by: lostaddict at February 9, 2007 10:58 AM

Did anyone think it was odd that Kate Sawyer and Alex ran into the Dharma holding cell? I mean, couldn't the door easily have been slammed shut, trapping them?

@ Ali - Yes I noticed the eyeliner on the doctor - it was freaky!

I really think Ethan was in Juliet's flashback so early on just so we wouldn't know it was a flashback. I think the opening of the windows onto the bay was supposed to be the shocker where we realized it was a flashback. more later....

#121. Posted by: meg at February 9, 2007 11:57 AM

I have a question for all of you tech-savvy people who have TiVo and no longer need VCR's: When Juliette used her card to gain access to the research lab in the beginning of the episode, the screen panned down from the sign to her card. I tried watching frame by frame but it was all blurry (damn non-digital technology!). But, it looked like there was a black dharma symbol at the bottom of the sign. Can anyone confirm or disprove this? I also tried to get a better look at the vials she was lifting, but they were too blurry also. Any numbers or anything on the label?
Some more congruencies (is that a word?) from previous episodes: Juliette says "Whatever you think I am, I'm not." (a la HG in One of Them) and "I'm not a leader." (a la Jack in White Rabbit).

Also, someone asked if any lip readers could decipher what Ben was saying to Juliette in the OR. I missed the first part but I'm pretty sure the second one was "if you help them escape."

And I also liked Alpert's eyeliner. I wish I could get mine to stay on that long.

#122. Posted by: Trinity at February 9, 2007 12:34 PM

Just to throw out some more oddities...Juliet impregnated a male mouse - any chance Alex really is Ben's?! It was confirmed on the show that Ben is her father not Danny - when they got to the building Carl was being kept in Alex said her father said to bring them here & he asked to talk to Ben on the radio.
Something I read over the break - this planet has 108 elements on it & we have 90 of those elements. Possibility that Dharma or Mittelos are trying to develop humans with all 108 elements? This would certainly make them "superhumans".
Great recap as always Mac!!Congrats on being a new daddy!

#123. Posted by: katpaws at February 9, 2007 1:19 PM

Can we be certain that Pickett was actually shot with REAL BULLETS? Could Ben have told Julie to grab the prop gun and "shoot" Pickett in order to gain trust from Jack/Kate/Sawyer?

Anxious to hear theories on this.

Len

#124. Posted by: Len at February 9, 2007 1:31 PM

Since we never saw what transpired between Benry and Kate on the beach whilst eating eggs, I think he somehow convinced her to sleep with Sawyer and get herself preggers.

We know Sawyer has good swimmers and I think Kate took a pregnancy test when she was married. Maybe the dress was to help her look alluring. Like she needs help.

I think she's in love with Jack and thinks she's saving him by sleeping with Sawyer.

#125. Posted by: Also_a_Kate at February 9, 2007 1:57 PM

Naaahhh! Pickett's dead. We clearly saw him run off in defiance of Juliet, bent on knocking off Kate and Sawyer. We saw in Juliet's face in that moment a pained look, like she knew what she had to do (save the Losties by stopping Pickett). So Pickett is really dead. And there just was no time to orchestrate some elaborate plan to fool Kate and Sawyer.

So to reiterate...Pickett is as dead as Jack's Daddy!!!

#126. Posted by: JoePike at February 9, 2007 2:00 PM

Okay, loved the recap Mac.
A couple of answers to people who have asked: I paused to look at the card key that Juliette used, and I did not see anything interesting on it. The show is still saved on the DVR, so I can look for a dharma symbol, but did not see one. I was surprised at this. No easter eggs on the card key. Seems real odd.
The 9/11 reference it to when Juliette came to the island. we know that it is late November (early December?) 2004 on the island. Juliette said she has been on the island for 3 years, 2 months, 28 days..iirc. That puts her arrival date real close to 9/11/2001. It is in the ballpark. I loved the theory that somehow the island/dharma cause the 2004 earthquake/tsunami. Great idea.

#127. Posted by: onelostdude at February 9, 2007 2:01 PM

Causing the tsunami - I don't think so...that would be below 'in extremely poor taste'!

#128. Posted by: DonnaD at February 9, 2007 2:33 PM

didn't Desmond arrive on the island 3 years prior as well? is there a tie to Juliette's arrival?

Maybe there are 'windows' during which people can come and go from the island(much like astronauts coming out of orbit)...

#129. Posted by: scrap at February 9, 2007 2:37 PM

Just finished checking out screen captures from lost-media & one shot showing Mittelos' building has two men walking towards the camera - the one on the left looks like Mittlewerk...

#130. Posted by: katpaws at February 9, 2007 2:43 PM

The audio in room 23, when played backward, depicts a woman's voice saying: "Only fools are enslaved by time and space".

Thoughts?

I also doubt there will be any 9/11 or Tsunami tie in. I don't think it's the day we think it is. The Red Sox thing was just a ruse by Ben IMO.

#131. Posted by: Josh at February 9, 2007 3:06 PM

@Trinity...I did pause the shot of the card Juliet used to gain access to the lab, but I didn't see a Dharma logo...it just said something along the lines of "security pass"

@DonnaD...I agree with you about the show implying it was Dharma that caused the tsunami, or 9/11 for that matter, would be a "poor taste" call...

#132. Posted by: Vikki at February 9, 2007 3:12 PM

@ Karen & @ GatorGal, thanks for the confirmation.

@ Neal Mindflood... What do you think the producers meant with the wink wink reference to "extra... ordinary" because I didn't catch their drift.

@ Also_A_Kate - I does seem that Kate and Sawyer were part of a catch-and-release breeding program! I wonder what pins and needles they stuck Kate with. Dress her up, put her and Sawyer in distress mode. Uh oh!

#133. Posted by: guv at February 9, 2007 3:28 PM

I don't think that Dharma will cause the tsunami but I think its very possible that the tsunami could hit the island and cause all sorts of trouble for our little band of castaways. It would be an interesting plot point and it works out well time wise.

#134. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 9, 2007 3:50 PM

What we have:

1. Recording in Room 23 played backward - "Only fools are enslaved by time and space"

2. Aldo (Carl guard) reading Hawkings "A brief history of time - the section about Black holes bending time and space"

3. Mittelos being an anagram for "Time Lost"

Clearly, something is going on on the islands. I don't think we can assume that time has proceeded in a normal way.

#135. Posted by: Josh at February 9, 2007 3:50 PM

I've never been to Florida...however, isn't Miami on the East side of the state?

Wouldn't that mean that Juliette couldn't have been sitting on a beach watching a sunset over the ocean. It was still dark (night) in the next scene when she gave her sister the shot and opened the curtain to show the Miami skyline.

#136. Posted by: PZ at February 9, 2007 4:27 PM

Long time reader, first time blogger.

I don't buy the theory that that the others made Kate have sex with Sawyer. I think she was genuinely attracted to him and also got caught up in the whole "you're gonna die" situation.

Sawyer and Pickett were both soaking wet when Sawyer shocked him. Sawyer didnâ€™t even flinch. He should have gotten blown back as well.

Did anyone else freak out when Ben woke up on the operating table?

Any thoughts on where Carl came from?

If the mittelos website is right, and there is a third island (observation island), could that be where patchy is? â€œthe Flameâ€ hatch might be on that islandâ€¦

Ahhhâ€¦ best show ever, always keeps you thinking.

Favorite quote:
Kate: We need a boat
Sawyer: yeah a couple of towels and a buffet lunch

#137. Posted by: Chris B at February 9, 2007 7:43 PM

I must be the oldest one here. Room 23 immediatly reminded me of 'The Ipcriss File' (Michael Caine)

#138. Posted by: mtncbn at February 9, 2007 10:31 PM

Another way that we know the date is that it was shown on the computer printout that Locke found. He showed it to Desmond who discovered that it had "System Failure" on that September 2004 date (I forgot the day) which was the day he failed to press the button before the clock ran out which in turn caused the Oceanic plane to crash on the island. And in some of the dialog they've mentioned the amount of time they've been on the island (between 2 and 3 months).

#139. Posted by: ardie at February 9, 2007 10:46 PM

Hi all. I'm also a long time reader but this is my first time posting.

I just want to point out that Gerald DeGroot can be seen in Room 23 three times.

1. Just when they take Carl's goggles off, look closely, DeGroots face can be seen just beside Carl's face.

2. When Sawyer is picking Carl up from the chair, Gerald is seen in the video behind with some phrase across the screen.

3. When Sawyer is exiting the room, look at the video, right after the fireworks. There's Gerald with goggles!

#140. Posted by: LostFanPR at February 10, 2007 2:11 AM

Great re-cap! I'm another long-time reader and first-time poster. "Great googly moogly" kept me giggling all night. Just wanted to weigh in on a couple things:

1. I also think Pickett's walkie-talkie shot was just luck. He was aiming for Kate but just happened to get the walkie. So in a sense, he still missed.

2. Assuming that Alex actually IS Danielle's daughter (a fact that I'm beginning to wonder about), then I think that Ben has just raised her. Alex was taken from Danielle only a week after birth, so she wouldn't remember her mother at all.

3. It's kind of funny that Juliet buys it that Ben will let her leave the island, when apparently, since "the sky turned purple," all their communications are down and it somehow relates to why the Others couldn't take Ben off the island to get help. Is Juliet not in on this? Considering the little tantrum she throws earlier about how her and Ben "make decisions together," that's sort of interesting. Sorry if someone already pointed this out and I missed it in my skimming of the comments.

4. Anyone else see the I-Ching thingy in Rachel's room?

5. Pickett is dead.

6. I don't remember who said it, but in response to the musing that Ben said something to Kate on the beach about impregnating her... In an interview, Michael Emerson (the actor who plays Ben) said that to his knowledge, nothing else happened in that scene than what we saw.

#141. Posted by: Emily at February 10, 2007 6:09 AM

How do we know that Rachel is really Juliet's "sister"? I mean, just because Rachel announces she is PG....well...Juliet, the Fertility Goddess, HAS made male field mice PG!

#142. Posted by: lostinluv at February 10, 2007 9:49 AM

@CrispySeaplanes (still love that name...)....now your tsunami theory is one I could buy into...

A different point....I noticed that the sunset Juliet was looking into at the start of the episode was strangely purple as well...just a little connection between that and Tom's description to Jack....

#143. Posted by: Vikki at February 10, 2007 9:51 AM

@ PZ --

I noticed the east/west Miami/sunset disconnect, too. Yeah -- not sure what's up with that...

#144. Posted by: Callan at February 10, 2007 11:53 AM

@ PZ --

I noticed the east/west Miami/sunset disconnect, too. Yeah -- not sure what's up with that...

#145. Posted by: Callan at February 10, 2007 11:53 AM

here is a link where you can hear the "only fools are enslaved through time and space" line which is played backwards in carl's room...

http://tinyurl.com/246rwy

#146. Posted by: schiano at February 10, 2007 12:38 PM

I'm from down here in FL and the way Miami is set up it is very possible that they could be seeing a sunset. There are tons of inlets and canals in Miami and they could be facing West to see the sunset. Bottom line is Juliet has made some serious 'JACK' to be living in that spot!

#147. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 10, 2007 1:39 PM

In regards to the question of why Desmond's girlfriend Penny hasn't shown up with the Cavalry yet; it's worth reminding ourselves that not a lot of time has passed in "Lost" time since the end of Season 2 and this past week's episode. Though it's been almost eight months for us as viewers, it's only been a week or so, tops, for the Losties. Maybe only half a week. Not long.

#148. Posted by: Callan at February 10, 2007 6:19 PM

Regarding Juliet and her fertility skills.........could she have worked her magic on Sun?
I haven't heard anyone mention this but I remember Sun going missing for a few days and after she came back, she was pregnant.

#149. Posted by: Mel at February 10, 2007 7:35 PM

Do you think there's a link between Juliet's Rachel and Rachel Blakes - Alvar Hanso's daughter from the September video?

#150. Posted by: also_kate at February 10, 2007 8:05 PM

so Ethan was a spy for Dharma even on the mainland....

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#151. Posted by: thinng at February 10, 2007 9:30 PM

Does anyone have hard and true information on whether or not the Mittelos Bioscience site is simply a (fantastic!) fan site or Lost/ABC affiliated?

I have read conflicting information on other sites (it is real; no it isn't) and it is really buggin' me. Not sure why. Suppose that if it is ABC sanctioned, then it really provides LOTS of clues. Insight anyone?

#152. Posted by: GatorGal at February 10, 2007 9:56 PM

@ Josh

Agree with ya. Time is NOT proceeding in a normal way on the island. Or amybe it does on one (the control) and not the other (the experimental)? hmmm.

I believe that following the numerous references to time and black holes in last week's episode that the island may be operating on a time-loop, and that Desmond's experience in the hatch may have thrown him outside of that loop long enough for him to see a complete revolution of that cycle. Hence the title for next week: "flash before your eyes."

#153. Posted by: GatorGal at February 10, 2007 10:13 PM

Did anyone else catch the APOLLO BAR logo on the side of the bus that ran down Juliet's ex?

#154. Posted by: GatorGal at February 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Sorry for posting so late

I half expected Alpert to start cooking a hotdog with his creepy eyes

#155. Posted by: kaseygirl at February 11, 2007 1:13 AM

Matt, i just had this crazy idea that maybe i the 26 year old woman 70 year old womb could be Claire's sh*t!!.

this would fit with this lost time thing as well.

Anyways good thing the show is back i almost forgot as well it was this week, i guess i got used to the loooooooong wait entertaining myself with (thanks human imagination) HEROES!!

i guess the rest winter is just gonna go away faster than i thought....

oh, i also wanted to mention about this carl room, i don't think it was to break him, i mean sawyer got kind of hypnotised for a while, also kate a bit.....

tn1!

#156. Posted by: Webb at February 11, 2007 2:18 AM

I really think the point of the Karl room was to torture him with sleep deprivation. Remember when he said,"I have to sleep now." ?

Maybe that's how they get all the Dharma drones to comply. I mean, in the real world that's how that guy forced that kid Shawn Hornbeck to stay with him when he hadplenty of chance to get away. Sleep deprivation is the ultimate torture.Being a mom of two poor sleepers, I know!

#157. Posted by: meg at February 11, 2007 11:32 AM

Lost in Portland clearly tells us (via Ethan and Juliet) that the Dharma Initiative is still very much in full swing (or at least was 3 years ago). While many people assumed the others weren't necessarily Dharma people as well, there is clearly some connection. This raises questions as to whether or not all the Others are Dharma. For what its worth, the Mittelos website indicates that projects are still going on and being planned. Maybe we'll gain further insight as to what is experiment and what is real. Right now it seems like the major plotpoints aren't guided by experiments, except for a few like the fertilization/children mystery and what Carl was up to in his home theater.

#158. Posted by: JackAttack at February 11, 2007 12:03 PM

#159. Posted by: JackAttack at February 11, 2007 12:03 PM

I thought the same thing as meg about the Carl room, espeacialy with those wierd glasses that kept his eyes open.

#160. Posted by: kaseygirl at February 11, 2007 2:32 PM

Whoa! Freecky! this is a backwards version of the carl room scene! Scary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7swZaOWO3c

#161. Posted by: Kaseygirl at February 11, 2007 2:41 PM

Hi guys,

just to debunk the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami disaster theory... the island the Losties are on is in the Pacific Ocean.. not the Indian Ocean...

As for the 'lost time' and general time-travel stuff, obviously this all ties in with Desmond's ability to 'see the future'... looks like next week is a 'Desmond' show.. some interesting previews available on youtube - watch out for the AOL one which is an entire scene from the episode..

Jim

#162. Posted by: Jim at February 11, 2007 5:42 PM

I have not read all of the posts, but I have an explaination on the Casimir effect (I hope). It has been a while so bear with me and correct me if neccessary. Stephen Hawking theorized that black holes emit a small amount of radiation as a result of the Casimir effect. In a black hole, which is a very massive (heavy) object for its size, there is a point of no return for anything that gets near it. That is called the "event horizon". Now in space, particles and their anti particle counter parts will sponteneously form, but when they do, they are attracted to each other and they annihalate each other basicaly as soon as they form. Now remember these are particles, the building blocks of the building blocks of atoms, we're talking small. When these particles and their anti particle friends pop into exsistense they leave a trail shaped like a foot ball. When this happens close to black hole's event horizon, one of the particles may not get pulled into the black hole. When that happens, usually it will just go out into space and it becomes radiation, Hawking radiation. Now imagine just how much room there is for this to take place around a black hole, which is usually large because they are formed from dead stars that have to be large enough to expend their fuel in a relativly short time (just a couple billion years) and then collapse in on itself rather than blow up like our sun will do one day. Sorry, Mac, I hope that no one quit reading the blog because of my love of astrophysics.

#163. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 11, 2007 11:03 PM

@mtncbn

>I must be the oldest one here. Room 23 immediatly reminded me of 'The Ipcriss File' (Michael Caine)

Can you beat 61 in March? But kudos for remeembering the Ipcress files, which I didn't, though I liked the movie/book.

#164. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 12, 2007 11:13 AM

@GatorGal

>Whoa! The Mittelos Bioscience website is surreal! VERY insightful if it is, in fact, supported by the show and not just the creative musings of a fan. Does anyone know how to check?

There's not any definitive way, I don't think. In the early days, sites such as "Oceanic Airlines" actually carried Disney copyrights and disclaimers at the bottom of the page. In the Lost Experience, that went away, and many clever fakes were created that had URL's only a keystroke away from the 'real' one. "Retreiversoftruth.com" vs "Retrieversoftruth.com", for instance.

Argument for Mittlos 'Official' Status: Obviously prepared in advance with knowledge of "Not in Portland". Domain registration fits with episode facts. (Though there were advance review copies floating around.)

Argument against: Site aparently not prepared for huge demand-surge with airing of episode - Disney usually is.

Sideways arguement against" - as least as compared to "Lost Experience" sites - no really cleverly buried Easter Eggs. Or maybe I just haven't found them, yet.

#165. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 12, 2007 11:28 AM

@Batteries Included

>Sorry, Mac, I hope that no one quit reading the blog because of my love of astrophysics.

Hey, we once got into a particle physics thread on the BamaFan mailing list, and the intellectual level is *much* higher over here.

#166. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 12, 2007 11:31 AM

"Only Fools are enslaved by time and space."

Anagram it.

#167. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at February 12, 2007 1:10 PM

@Batteries Included....thank you! I found your explanation really informative and easy to follow. I immediately thought of what the producers mentioned in the "survivor guide," that many of the Losties have had a vision of some sort, relating to their former lives or former relatives. However, the producers emphasized the word "vision," which I took to mean "there, but not really there." Maybe they are the anti-particles of their former selves (Kate's horse, Jack's father, Yemi, Dave...etc)???? Not sure where to go with that one, but just a thought...

#168. Posted by: Vikki at February 12, 2007 1:53 PM

Well, I had posted a note on a past item (END DATE COMMENTS) that, due to an conducting engagement, it was going to be several days after the actual broadcast before I would be able to watch this opening episode of Season 3.2, and wow, I was not disappointed. Iâ€™m very happy to be able to say that!

Ah, Juliette - Are you a good girl gone bad? Or bad girl turning good? Or a poor little lost girl searching for redemption? Or just a female Jekyll and Hyde? Kudos to the writers for this opening gambit . . . . We are all so deliciously confused . . .

Great comments from everybody. And good review from MAC, considering heâ€™s working between diaper calls! I think weâ€™re on a roll again.

By the way - Cecil - Sorry, but 61 last Christmas.......

Best wishes.
DRH

#169. Posted by: davidrh at February 12, 2007 2:39 PM

@ Neal: here's your anagram:

LOST PLANE BEAMS CLEAN FOODS IN EVERY DAY

#170. Posted by: Big Toe at February 12, 2007 2:56 PM

@ Crispy Seaplanes - Check out Smoky's back story by ButchM, who said he got the inspiration from you. It is quite funny and you are a character in the story.

It is either the 9th or 10th item down, counting "Not in Portland" as number one.

#171. Posted by: smitty at February 12, 2007 4:00 PM

Didn't anyone else find it odd when Jack asked Zeke why they just didn't have an outside doctor do the surgery and Zeke said "ever since the sky turned purple, there's been no connection w/ the outside world" But Ben knew about his Tumor about 2-3 months before the sky turned purple. It's obvious that Ben is lying and he really has no clue himself how to get off that island.

#172. Posted by: middies at February 12, 2007 5:31 PM

Mac?

Some of my posts here, including a medium long one about the Mittelos Bioscience website, seem to be disappearing in the queue. Is there some sort of problem?

#173. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 12, 2007 6:12 PM

@Cecil: Unfortunately, any post that includes a URL automatically goes into the queue. Spam issues forced me to do this. If you'd like your post to through unabated, you'll need to remove the URL from the URL field (if you're using it) or from the comments field. Sorry! -- mac

#174. Posted by: mac at February 12, 2007 7:05 PM

Wow! These are some great ideas & theories!! It's the first time I have read Mac's recaps & LOVE them. I'm in New Zealand & downloading the show so I can keep up with screening dates in the US. People if you're pissed about the hiatus in the states imagine how much it sucks having to wait down here in the bottom of the globe! Anyways, totally saw that Alpert was Dharma before Ethan showed up. I agree with some peoples stuff here but...Clockwork Orange reference aside, perhaps Room 23 is to change good people into bad people...Sawyer deep down has always had his heart in the right place. After all his quest for the REAL Mr Sawyer was to avenge his family so perhaps this is why he was sucked into the visuals or perhaps they were only aimed at MALES as Kate & Alex don't even bat an eyelid if you'll pardon the pun. Ben & Danielle totally have some history...looking forward to hearing more about that. Jack sucks...I'm over him completely. I think Juliet has ANOTHER sister & that this is Penny, Desmond's girl. I know I know wild idea but hey...they do look very similar.
Finally...does anyone else ADORE Tom aka "Mr Friendly" aka "Zeke" as much as I do, this guy is like THE happiest dude on the island, carries lots of cred & seems to be in good with Jules & Ben. What is the story with Tom & does anyone else vaguely remember him as "Mike" from the "Mike & Jen" couple that were growing weed in the ep that Locke is living in that commune & learning about the sweat lodge??? Hmm? Hmm? Come on don't say it's just me.
Plus...Sawyer rules. Best lines ever. That is all. Any LOST peeps that want an email buddy in NZ feel free...
hirek8now@yahoo.com.au.
Cheers Mac, i'll be back!
Kate.

#175. Posted by: Kate Foster at February 12, 2007 8:02 PM

Does anybody know where a compass heading of 325 would have taken Michael and Walt based on the map of the three islands?

#176. Posted by: Bill Stout at February 13, 2007 12:49 AM

some people are saying what if Juliette injected Rousseau to make her pregnant, but Rousseau (spelling?!) arrived on the Island 17 years ago as am sure she says when they crashed there they took her baby. And Akex does seem around that kind of age mark.

Alex probably didnt know any different at such a young age and was raised as Bens daughter. Therefor, Juliet could have no idea that Alex isn't actually Bens.

Sayid said the message on loop had been going for 17 years thats how they figured out how long Rosseau had been there, or at least an idea to the period of time they'd been there...

#177. Posted by: Scott at February 13, 2007 6:08 AM

@ Kate Foster - What is the story with Tom & does anyone else vaguely remember him as "Mike" from the "Mike & Jen" couple that were growing weed in the ep that Locke is living in that commune & learning about the sweat lodge???

It turns out that someone already checked on that and they are two different actors.

@ Scott - Totally agree with you on Alex. If she was taken away immediatly she would not know any different. Even if she was a toddler they still could have gotten away with it. They are the Others you know. Alex is Rousseau's child, and I think that will be confirmed.

#178. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 13, 2007 6:52 AM

@ Bill Stout

Yes- it would have taken them directly to the small island..."Alcatraz"...where thr surgery was taking place. How cool?

#179. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at February 13, 2007 9:28 AM

Posting again. Hopefully someone can answer:

Does anyone else think the injections Juliet was giving her sis the same they gave to kidnapped pregnant Claire? Or were they somehow related to her not catching whatever it is (quarantines?) that atrophies a female's reproductive organs on the island so she could carry to full term

Go DaddyMac

#180. Posted by: lost addict at February 13, 2007 9:34 AM

Lost addict

I just read the transcripts and
The womans name was never said.

#181. Posted by: bob at February 13, 2007 12:30 PM

@lost addic

Jack's father visited a woman by the name LINDSEY ...asking her to let him see his daughter.

#182. Posted by: JT at February 13, 2007 1:15 PM

@smitty
I can't believe I never got around to reading the Smoky backstory before now. There's worse fates in life than to be eaten by Kaseygirl and GatorGal!
Thanks ButchM.!!!

#183. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 13, 2007 2:13 PM

@ davidrh: "Ah, Juliette - Are you a good girl gone bad? Or bad girl turning good? Or a poor little lost girl searching for redemption? Or just a female Jekyll and Hyde?"

In other words: "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" If you don't know, just ask Henry Gale.:)

#184. Posted by: Trinity at February 13, 2007 2:45 PM

Has anyone considered that both Claire and Sawyer were under a needle?

In Claires case it had something to do with her unborn child.

In Sawyer's case he was "told" it had to do with his heart - but we later found that to be a fabrication. What did they actually do to Sawyer? Was the story he was given just a distraction so that everyone would forget that "something" was done to Sawyer?

I'm not one to propose crazy Lost theories, but these are the facts as well as the fact that we KNOW a fertility doctor impregnated a MALE mouse.

Was Sawyer impregnated? Would Claire's child have anything to do with this? A clone perhaps, but regardless there is a case for something happening to Sawyer.

#185. Posted by: Smartucus at February 13, 2007 2:58 PM

@mac - great to have your recaps to look forward to again!

@Batteries Included - thanks for providing the summary on the Casimir effect. Definitely a "timely" contribution.

Taking that one step more, Stephen Hawking also said that

1) There is evidence from the bending of light that space-time is curved

and

2) The Casimir effect confirms that we can warp it in the negative direction

He says that this means that as we advance in science and technology, we might be able to warp space and time in some way so as to be able to travel into our past.

This latest ep. provides strong indications that "time" plays a role in the happenings on lost island.

One idea I had was that the Dharma experiments being conducted on the island originate from the future.

Perhaps something happens years from now that jeopardizes the future of the human race - makes women infertile, men sterile, wipes out polar bears? Perhaps a group of scientists was sent into the past to conduct research that will help us stave off extinction? Like Bruce Willis in 12 Monkeys. They would then recruit people from history to help their cause - a fertility doctor for example. They would know in advance that a plane was going to crash - would even know who wins the world series.

Perhaps it is even the island itself that moves through time and space. We know that Danielle was supposedly on the island 16 years - did she ever say what year it was when she arrived?

I think Desmond's premonitions are just memories of things that occurred on the island - he lived those days already, but the failsafe transported him back - naked - just like the terminator.

#186. Posted by: vacc at February 13, 2007 5:48 PM

@Kate Foster

>I'm in New Zealand & downloading the show so I can keep up with screening dates in the US. People if you're pissed about the hiatus in the states imagine how much it sucks having to wait down here in the bottom of the globe!

But at least you're closer to the lost island.

#187. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 13, 2007 5:56 PM

@KDub

>1. Mittelos has to be connected to Thomas Mittelwerk. I did not follow the Lost Experience too closely, but read Cecil Rose's excellent summary. A Mittelwerk connection would suggest that Evil Ethan, Alpert, Ben and the whole Other crew are a rouge offshoot of Hanso's Dharma Initiative.

I completely agree. (I think you mean "rogue" offshoot, although a "rouge" offshoot might be interesting, too).

One of the difficult things about the Lost Experience was/is deciding what's in/what's out. The Mittelos Bioscience website is a case in point - 'real', hoax, fanboy, or new Lost Experience cranking up? It's obvious whoever put it up had advance access to "Not in Portland".

And remember, Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk appeared in commercials broadcast with the regular S-2 "Lost" episodes. So is he a part of "Lost" or only the LE sideshow? I found no direct references to him during my brief excursion on the Mittelos website. I could easily have missed some easter eggs, though. And check out the BIOS section for some names familiar from last night's ep.

For those asking "What Mittelos website?", Google on "Mittelos Bioscience', then follow the link. It's been heavily overloaded all day, mostly returning "service unavailable", but apparently some people are getting though some time. If you can't get though, try the "cache" link on Google. It *may* show you something. If you get through to the current projects folder, watch the map until the "You've got mail" pop-up appears, then click the link to watch the video. Don't know if this is authentic Lost Experience or not, but it's highly reminiscent of some of the leads we were chasing last summer.

By the way, I'm such a sucker, I was still expecting there to be a lab *somewhere* near Portland, even after I'd figured out these guys were Dharma. Now I think there were recruiting Juliet for the island all along.

Enjoy.

#188. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 13, 2007 6:03 PM

@ Vacc - I have always belived that the universe/space-time is curved. A sphere is the perfect shape. If the present is the edge of the sphere, then time travel would mean that somehow piercing the edge of the sphere would take you back in time. I don't know just a crazy thought that I have had for a long time. Don't ask me about traveling into the future. My theory would indicate that the future is uncertain.

#189. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 13, 2007 7:35 PM

@Cecil Rose: thanks for the response regarding the validity of Mittelos Bioscience site. Over at The Fuselage, the guy who is the script editor for Lost (Gregg something) calims that the site is NOT official ABC/Disney. This could be true or kinda like a "reverse mind game"/red herring answer.

IF there is truth to the site and IF there are three islands, what is the time twist was that one island represents the PRESENT, one island represents the PAST and the third represents the FUTURE. This worls with the control/experimental/observation information, too.

Hmmm.....so much to ponder. I love this show!

#190. Posted by: GatorGal at February 14, 2007 10:29 AM

@davidrh

>By the way - Cecil - Sorry, but 61 last Christmas.......

David is now officially "Grandpappy"

#191. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 14, 2007 10:42 AM

@Cecil

>David is now officially "Grandpappy"

Ah yes, my friend . . . but "young at heart" . .

See you in tomorrow's MAC-LOST-NEWS.

#192. Posted by: davidrh at February 14, 2007 12:43 PM

i didn't like the episode last night. i had the feeling i was watching the matrix. very similar in terms of your "path" and not having a choice, blah blah blah.

the old lady from the jewerly store acted quite like the matrix's oracle, too.

#193. Posted by: schiano at February 15, 2007 8:54 AM

Maybe Ethan was sleeping with Rachel and that's how she got pregnant. Evil Ethan merely said, "yes Rachel, I'll be your sugar daddy. All you need to do is convince Juliet to come to the islands, mon."

#194. Posted by: Mike L at February 15, 2007 3:57 PM

Does anyone know if the drum-and-bass like music playing in the brainwashing room is from an actual song, or is just something the music production team put together?

#195. Posted by: Filey at February 16, 2007 3:27 PM

I still think there is something significant about the fact that Juliet was able to impregnate a male mouse...
and that is one of the main reasons that they so desparately wanted her on board at Mittelos.

#196. Posted by: Lostinluv at February 22, 2007 10:48 PM

3-7 - Not In Portland

Jules is recruited,
Jack cuts Ben///Suddenly I
Am hit by a bus.

http://www*blueroses*com/2001_04/hwrite*html

#197. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 16, 2008 4:46 PM

SPOILER ALERT maybe
I just downloaded the new Lost poster. The one with the skyline reflection in the water. I think that the image in the water in the forground is the greek symbol theta.
Some people use theta to describe the effect of time on appearance, or appearance versus time. Would it be crazy to assume that the island is one big time machine?

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