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Key Points from "Flashes Before Your Eyes"

Season 3, Episode 8
Episode Air Date: 02/14/07

Point 1
Desmond The "Lost" crew came out even this week. On one hand, they shook things up and delivered an episode that was aesthetically and creatively compelling. They also gave Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) an opportunity to flex his acting muscles, and for that we owe them a big thank you (Cusick's got charisma out the yin-yang).

But the Losties also misled us ... again. I'm beginning to think the "Lost" producers have a different definition for the word "answer." See, when someone tells me they're going to provide an "answer" to a question or a mystery, I expect something definitive. Something like, "It was Ms. Scarlet in the conservatory with the candlestick." But in the "Lost" world, answers are wrapped in a veil of open-ended ambiguity. Technically, "Flashes Before Your Eyes" does reveal what happened to Des after he turned the hatch's fail-safe key ("Live Together, Die Alone") but, as is customary with "Lost" answers, there's no real there, there. The answer is as clear as Ben's bloody kidney sac. (Either that or I'm quite dim ... which is entirely possible).

Anywho, let's get recappin'.

The vast majority of this episode is a flashback ... or a flash forward ... or maybe a flash lateral. Regardless, it's pretty quirky.

It all begins with Desmond once again showcasing his uncanny ability to predict the future. You'll recall that in previous episodes he predicted a speech Locke would give to the castaways and he erected a wacky lighting rod to divert a future lighting bolt away from the castaways' beach camp. Both predictions came to pass.

Early on in this episode, Des is standing around with Locke, Sayid, Charlie and Hurley, ranking the hotness of the island's women and pondering Eko's fate (more on that later). But the sausage fest is soon interrupted by Des' new Spidey Sense. Without warning, he bolts toward the beach with an athletic vigor unseen since Ana Lucia's erratic attempts at "exercise" (she ran in jeans, people. Jeans).

Des sprints into the water and makes a beeline for a body bobbing silently in the waves. It's Claire! He pulls Claire back to the beach and resuscitates her with Baywatchian skill. As Claire sputters to life, Charlie lingers on the sideline like a bench player desperate to get into the game.

The hubbub eventually subsides and the series regulars slink into the background so they can remain unseen throughout the rest of the episode. Meanwhile, Charlie and Hurley -- who appear to be BFF now -- hold a conspiratorial pow-wow in Sawyer's abandoned tent to discuss Desmond's precog abilities while flipping through back issues of "Fiji Lovelies." (I'm not kidding -- Sawyer's tent is ripe with porn).

Now, we've seen in the past that jealousy -- especially unfounded jealousy -- clouds Charlie's judgement. He's particularly susceptible to imagined challenges to his slowly developing relationship with Claire, and since Des both saved Claire and got a free grope of her unmentionables during that CPR session, Charlie's indignation approaches China Syndrome levels. Like all immature men with confidence issues, he opts to confront his concerns by getting his "rival" good and drunk.

Drinking and merrymaking ensue and once Des has downed an entire bottle of MacCutcheon's whiskey, Charlie begins his inquisition. He asks Des how he knew Claire was drowning and Des, despite being fully cocked, coyly avoids a direct answer. This raises Charlie's ire so Desmond moves to leave, but Charlie lures him back with the "McFly Maneuver." Charlie calls Desmond a "coward," a word that sets off a chemical reaction in Des and turns this normally mild-mannered Scot into William Wallace on steroids. Des pounces on Charlie and locks his windpipe in a death grip.

Truly, Charlie's plan and the ensuing drunk scene are ridiculous, but they do have one significant purpose: they take us back into those wacky moments immediately after the hatch imploded.

Cue backstory/futurestory swoosh!

This is where things get a little Twin Peaky. See, this episode doesn't feature the customary backstory. Rather, it's a flashback that's been chucked in a blender and seasoned with a pinch of implied time travel.

Nonetheless, we peer into Desmond's pre-island life and, if we're to believe all that we see, it's clear that Desmond has endured the same tempest of tragedy, bad mistakes and poor relationships that's plagued every other character on the island.

It all begins years ago with Desmond and Penny (his one true love) swimming in pre-marital bliss. The pair have just moved into Desmond's dilapidated London apartment, but the broken down surroundings have no effect on their romantic giddiness. Desmond, in fact, is secretly planning to ask Pen to marry him. There's just one little thing he needs to take care of ...

That "thing" is a formal request for Penny's hand in marriage from her overbearing, Terence-Stamp-doppelganger father, Charles Widmore. We met Widmore back in "Live Together, Die Alone" and in this episode, we see the genesis of the disdain that exists between Des and Chuckie.

Des does a lovely job asking Widmore for his permission to marry Penny -- he's courteous and polite and genuflects at all the right moments -- but Widmore is a heartless bastard and he delights in not only denying Desmond's request, but cutting at his very soul. To Widmore, Desmond is little more than a mosquito with a Scottish accent; he's certainly not the type of "great man" who would warrant consideration for his daughter. He tells Des all this. Des isn't pleased.

Des manages to leave Widmore's office without ripping major organs from his adversary's chest cavity. Outside, he takes a moment to rip off his tie and chuck it angrily toward the pavement (Note: I have no idea if this was intended, but Des' tie-ripping is an exact copy of George Clooney's "tie scene" from "Out of Sight.")

As Des struggles to regain his composure, he hears the dull whine of a street musician doing a bad rendition of Oasis' "Wonderwall." And lo and behold, the musician is Charlie!

In regular "Lost" flashbacks this type of path-crossing would go unnoticed by the major characters, but it quickly becomes evident that this is no ordinary backstory segment. Des immediately recognizes Charlie; he remembers him from the island. Alas, Charlie doesn't know Des from Adam at this point, and given Desmond's insane yammering, Charlie immediately tries to extricate himself from the uncomfortable reunion.

Des is left to ponder his time-space predicament. Did the hatch's electromagnetic burp send him into the past? In a stunning bit of serendipity, it just so happens that Desmond's best friend is a physicist named Donovan. And so Des drags Donavan to a pub and tells him the whole story: how he was marooned on an island for three years pushing a button on a computer and now, after turning a fail-safe key in a subterranean hatch built by misguided scientists, he's been zipped back in time. Moreover -- and here's the clincher -- he can now predict the future because he's actually reliving his past.

Let's pause a moment to soak this in. What we're encountering in this episode is an "editable flashback" (it's like a flashback Wiki). Technically, we're seeing important events from Desmond's life, but unlike other flashback sequences, the events we're witnessing can be manipulated (or so it seems) because they're actually happening. It's a wacky storytelling device ... and it makes my brain hurt.

Anyway, Desmond attempts to prove his precog abilities to Donovan by predicting the score of a soccer match being shown on one of the pub's televisions. And, as so often happens in time travel stories, Des' predictions come true and everyone heralds him as a messianic "prophet from the future" ...

Or not.

In a twist I appreciated simply because it temporarily thwarted cliche, Desmond's soccer prediction turns out to be wrong. The soccer match doesn't play out the way he predicts, nor do any of his other prognostications come true. Donavan shakes his head in physicist disgust. Only Stephen Hawking could pull off such feats of derring-do, and Des is no Stephen Hawking.

Despite the soccer setback, Desmond manages to actually embrace his situation for a few brief hours. After all, he's been magically reunited with Penny and, upon first glance, it seems he has a chance to actually change the past and reshape the future.

Not so fast, Des.

A random shopping excursion sets in motion a chain of tragic events.

Des pays a visit to a small jewelry store to buy an engagement ring for Penny. He's waited on by a short, white-haired woman with probing blue eyes and an air of maternal kindness. She helps Desmond select a modest ring, but as Desmond goes to pay for it, the woman's eyes narrow and she tells Desmond he's not following the script.

Desmond, meet your Oracle.

The "woman" -- who may or may not be a figment of Desmond's imagination and/or subconscious -- proceeds to tell Desmond that his destiny lies on a path away from Penny. Just as he did the first time around, the woman says Desmond will have second thoughts about his relationship with Penny and he'll eventually join the military and, down the road, attempt to win Penny back by participating in a 'round-the-world sailing competition. One thing will lead to another and Desmond will meet his fate as the island's chief button pusher. Worse still, the woman tells Desmond that typing in the computer code over and over will be the "greatest" thing he ever does.

Desmond argues with the woman, insisting that his future is not preordained. The woman purses her lips and waits ...

BLAM!

In the background, a massive mound of concrete and scaffolding crashes to the ground and Desmond sees two gnarled legs protruding from the rubble (the Wicked Witch of East London?). The victim is wearing red sneakers, which proves particularly freaky because Desmond's Oracle had offhandedly -- and randomly -- noted the man's bold fashion choice just moments before.

Desmond realizes that the woman knew the Man with Two Red Shoes was going to die. She intentionally pointed him out, yet she did nothing to stop his gooey demise. When pressed on the issue, the woman says that challenging destiny is futile because the universe has a way of correcting its course (like "Final Destination," but with plausible death sequences). If you save someone from one fate, the Oracle says, the Gods of Destiny will simply catch up with them later.

This isn't the kind of news a guy stuck in the past likes to hear, so he intentionally defies the Oracle and claims he's going to ask Penny to marry him despite the Oracle's prediction. The Oracle shakes her head and walks off, knowing full well that Desmond's merely spinning his wheels in a space-time pot hole.

Desmond charges forward with his plan to ask Penny to marry him. The couple takes a casual walk along the waterfront, cavorting and frolicking and doing other lovey stuff. They even partake of a cheesy "portrait" set against a fake marina backdrop (it's the same backdrop -- and the same picture -- we've seen many times before).

Unfortunately, this is when the good times stop rolling. Moments after taking the portrait, Desmond is cracked in the head by the heavy hand of fate. He tells Penny that he's not the right man for her and he can't take care of her. Penny is dumbfounded. She was working under the assumption that things were progressing swimmingly, yet here she is, being dumped by the waterfront. Penny turns on her heel and leaves. Desmond watches Penny walk away -- again -- and then turns and chucks the engagement ring into the Thames.

Des opts to drown his sorrows at the local pub. It's the same pub he visited with Donavan, and once again, patrons are glued to TV sets watching a soccer match.

Remember earlier how I expressed appreciation for the "Lost" crew not employing time-travel cliches? Yeah, I take that back. It turns out that Desmond's attempt to convince Donavan of his abilities was simply off by a day. As he watches the television, he sees that he was right. His team initiates an improbable comeback, just as he predicted. Wow. Never seen that before.

Just then, a large man wielding a massive cricket bat storms into the bar and points at the bartender. Des predicted this, too. And, if events hold true, he knows the bartender is about to be brained. The large man rears back for a mighty swing. "Duck!" Des barks.

WHOOSH! .... CRACK!

The bat arcs past the bartender and smacks into Desmond's forehead! Des hits the floor.

Sometime later, his eyes flutter and he takes stock of his surroundings.

Oh, crap.

He's back on the island. He's dazed and confused and ... naked?

We've seen this before. The hatch has just imploded and Desmond is strewn amidst hatch detritus. He groggily gets to his feet and sees that the only remnant of the hatch itself is a deep crater.

The backstory/futurestory ends. And that leads us to ...

Point 2
Desmond

Charlie

... the Big Scene.

As the flashback ends and the action returns to the beach, Hurley -- who's basically useless in this episode -- realizes that Desmond is still crushing Charlie's throat. Hurley drags Desmond off his BFF, and the fighters return to their corners.

The tension subsides and Charlie and Des make up. Charlie helps Desmond back to his tent and the two engage in typical post-fight guy banter ("Sorry mate," "No worries brotha").

With their relationship back on track, Charlie again asks Desmond how he was able to save Claire. And this is when Desmond drops the hammer.

Desmond wasn't saving Claire. He was saving Charlie.

He tells Charlie that if time had played out as it was preordained, Charlie would have drowned while trying to save Claire. Desmond rushed into the waves because he knew Charlie was going to bite it.

But there's more!

The wacky lighting rod Desmond built back in ("Every Man for Himself") was built to protect CHARLIE! Desmond's future-sight showed him that Charlie was going be barbecued by that random bolt of lighting.

The machinery in Charlie's brain whirs to life. On the surface he's incredulous and doesn't rationally believe Desmond, but in the off chance Desmond is right about all this death business, it's not a problem since Desmond has already shown a remarkable ability to save Charlie's hide. All he needs to do is make sure Desmond is with him at all times and that'll be that. Oh sure, Desmond's constant presence will make date night with Claire a little awkward, and the MacGuyver-like contraptions Desmond constructs will undoubtedly draw snickers from fellow castaways, but with diligence and a little luck, Charlie and Desmond can make it work!

Right? Right?

Pity slides over Desmond's face as the dire words of Desmond's Oracle suddenly take on new meeting: the universe "course corrects."

Desmond tells Charlie that despite his previous efforts, there's no amount of "saving" Desmond can do that will make Charlie safe. The universe has it out for Charlie, and sooner or later, it's going to catch up with him.

Sorry, brotha.

Point 3
Locke

Sayid
Locke and Sayid are in this episode for exactly 30 seconds, and I'm still wondering why the producers bothered to include them at all.

The dynamic duo appears in the opening moments, and for the life of me I can't figure out where they're coming from or where they're going. Both are drenched in sweat, suggesting they've been trudging through the jungle for an extended period. At first I thought they'd just come back from burying Eko, but that doesn't make sense because one of the closing scenes of "I Do" showed Locke finding a "clue" on Eko's Jesus stick ("Lift up your eyes and look North"). The best I can figure is that Locke and Sayid zipped toward the north side of the island and when we see them at the beginning of this episode, they've just returned. Or maybe they went to a casino. Who knows?

Regardless, the only noteworthy development involving Locke and Sayid comes when Locke tells Hurley and Charlie that Eko is dead. To us, he's been dead for months, but in island time it's only been a day or so.

So there you go.

Point 4
Island As usual, I'll close with a few questions and observations:
  • I still don't understand what happened to Desmond in the hatch. Did the fail-safe rip open the space-time continuum and plop him down in his own past? If so, how is it that Des was placed at the exact point in his history that eventually led to him arriving on the island?
  • Is this time travel thing legit? If so, doesn't that open the door to a slew of sci-fi explanations?
  • I still don't understand the physics of the "implosion." How is it the hatch left an enormous crater, yet Locke, Desmond and Eko all escaped with relatively minor injuries? And why was Desmond naked?
  • No offense to Dominic Monaghan, but would it really be that bad if Charlie croaked? His tepid storyline with Claire doesn't hold much interest and the drug arc petered out in season two. Initially it seemed that Charlie's dark side would flare up (remember, he "kidnapped" Sun in "The Long Con"), but Darth Charlie is currently on ice. So what does his character offer? (I'm not being a smartass; if you've got an answer please post it below.)
  • There are tons of easter eggs in this episode, including Charlie's middle name, a random polar bear in Widmore's office, and advertisements for companies that often pop up in the series.

That's all I've got.

Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Stranger in a Strange Land" -- Jack is caught in the middle of Other drama while Kate, Sawyer and Karl paddle their way back to the big island. Airs Wednesday, Feb. 21, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on February 15, 2007 10:52 AM |




Great stuff, thanks!

#1. Posted by: Chris Meisenzahl at February 15, 2007 10:56 AM

Great review, one easter egg comment/addition:

I thought when Des came too and looked around, that he spied a paint can with a yellow label on it with words written in black that read "FUTURE". I dont see this in the screen caps. Anybody else pick up on this or were my glasses a little dirtier than usual?

#2. Posted by: jason at February 15, 2007 11:13 AM

great review as always mac,
this episode raised more questions than it gave answers. While earlier on in the series I figured there could be a general explanation for everything that was "off" about the island, but it is clearly more complicated than that.

As for the offing of Charlie, it seems to make sense. With Shannon, Ana Lucia, and Libby dead and with Kate enjoying the ocean sights with Sawyer, the Losties need an available bachelorette. Who will emerge as the lucky guy? Just pray its not Paulo.

#3. Posted by: JackAttack at February 15, 2007 11:22 AM

Great review as always. However, they aren't as detailed as they used to be...

#4. Posted by: Hugh Jass at February 15, 2007 11:25 AM

Great recap as usual...couple of things Great to see a Desmond episode. William Wallace on steroids? He seems more of a wusy. And were getting close to being too Twin Peaky. Answers beget more questions. And Hurely....everytime you say "dude" I cringe Enough already!

#5. Posted by: GregWol at February 15, 2007 11:36 AM

Points to Ponder: Is Donavan the link between Penny and the fact that she needs to be looking for an electromagnetic anomoly in order to find Des? Or is it her father's company's connection(?) to DHARMA?

#6. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2007 11:39 AM

Here's my crazy thought of the week -

When the hatch imploded and Penny got the wakeup call from the great white north - perhaps that was a result of Desmond's time-trip. It's possible that Desmond's scientist friend Donovan eventually tells Penny Desmond's story.
She believes it and hires the search team to wait for the discharge.

I thought it was cool that as Desmond approached Charlie, the lines he was singing from the Oasis song Wonderwall : "maybe.. You're gonna be the one that saves me"

The painting in Mr. Widmore's office has the word NAMASTE written backwards

#7. Posted by: vacc at February 15, 2007 11:44 AM

Was that the "Oracle" in next week's preview at one point talking to Jack?

#8. Posted by: JackAttack at February 15, 2007 11:48 AM

Great recap, Mac!!
Damn, i got to wait till wed to watch the episode...i just can't wait!!!
Btw, did you noticed that "Frequency" starred Elizabeth Mitchell ("Jules") and a character named Jack Shepard?
Not a clue, but funny indeed!
keep it up!!

#9. Posted by: Not_THAT_Alex at February 15, 2007 11:51 AM

Widmore (penneys dad), thats the same company that made sun preggers test.

#10. Posted by: EDD at February 15, 2007 11:54 AM

"The answer is as clear as Ben's bloody kidney sac."

hahaha great review mac, funny as always.

i aslo thought this episode was a little bit, um, vague. We were kind of left to assume that Des got his new 'powers' by .... going back in time? So, by going back in time..he can see the future... idn weird.

anywho, i went back to last weeks episode and actually LOOKED for the guy with eyeliner. OMG he wears a lot! how did i not see that last week?? lol

great recap mac keep up the good work!

#11. Posted by: nina at February 15, 2007 11:54 AM

"my brain hurts"--oh boy do I agree! It was almost not worth the effort.

Terrific review and thanks yet again Mac for your clarity and funny remarks. I would not be watching this show except for your explanations the next day.

I am so confused....is it going to be only about Desmond? Or will this apply now to all the backstories?

Will it turn out to be just a simple matter of pre(DES)stination for all the characters? Or will it be possible to change the future, and "we'll all be dead!"

Also I miss Sayid and Hurley and where the hell are Rose and Bernard?

I'm gonna need a bigger brain.....
Namaste.

#12. Posted by: stontilam at February 15, 2007 11:56 AM

As I watched the episode I was constantly reminded about Batteries Included's explanation of Casmir effect last week and how vacc explained that Casmir effect could theoretically make time travel possible. Sounds like they're on to something there.

#13. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 15, 2007 12:02 PM

I saw the "...two gnarled legs protruding from the rubble..." and was struck once again with the Wizard of Oz symmetry. Consider Jack as Dorothy (just wants to go home), Kate as Cowardly Lion (always running away, needs courage), and Sawyer as Scarecrow (more balls than brains), and Locke as Tin Man (thinks too much, needs a heart). And if ex-hobbit Charlie's not a Munchkin I don't know who is.

Ben (aka Henry Gale) is the Wizard (has it in his power to send people home), Juliet is Wicked Witch of the West (never has evil looked so good), and the rest of the Others are the Flying Monkeys.

I don't know exactly where Hurley and Sayid and the professor and Mary Ann (aka "the rest") fit in. It's not a perfect theory…enough holes to fly an Oceanic plane through…but it's all I got right now.

#14. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 15, 2007 12:03 PM

I think Mac is losing his faith in the island. ;-)

#15. Posted by: IBelieve at February 15, 2007 12:05 PM

I think Mac is losing his faith in the island. ;-)

#16. Posted by: IBelieve at February 15, 2007 12:06 PM

The middle name thing didn't mean anything to me until I did a google search. Look up "Hieronymus Bosch" and you will find some interesting paintings with similar allegorical themes. The lost writers are brilliant with this stuff.

#17. Posted by: Sanderson Tattersall at February 15, 2007 12:07 PM

that scene with desmond and 'the oracle' reminded me so much of the matrix trilogy. a lot of what was said was also said in the matrix.

#18. Posted by: schiano@gmail.com at February 15, 2007 12:10 PM

obviously this episode has more to do with the second matrix film (reloaded) than final destination and the first matrix movie. desmond-o doesn't time travel, as much as anyone else time travels in their flash-backs. its just story telling. its just that as his story is being told, it is about his realizations, and he has tremors of changing the future but cannot. the point the writers were trying to make is that what you have to do is what you have to do, no matter how much you try to run from it, it has to happen. HAS TO! read a wrinkle in time!

#19. Posted by: steven estiban.. as in spanish lover at February 15, 2007 12:11 PM

Thanks for the recap, mac. "...with Baywatchian skill" - another classic.

I think many viewers have brains that are now strained.

#20. Posted by: JT at February 15, 2007 12:12 PM

Anagram for Charlie's middle name, "Hieronymus:"
HEROIN'S YUM

#21. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2007 12:13 PM

steven estiban -

then would you say what we're watching is really desmond's flashbacks? afterall, to us he can "see the future" but ultimately, he just reliving the present... quite like he did when he woke up knocked out and covered with paint...

this has already happened to desmond, we're just watching it all unfold?

#22. Posted by: schiano at February 15, 2007 12:15 PM

@ Crispy

I'll bet my Widmore's stock shares that the "Casimir Effect" has definitely something to do with the hatch blast and consequently the Des' timetravel experience.

I peeked some scenes and i loved the (recurrent) "Wizard of Oz" refs.
There ain't no place like home, uh Des?

#23. Posted by: Not_THAT_Alex at February 15, 2007 12:16 PM

@IBelieve: It's not so much I'm losing faith as I'm acquiring a critical eye. For the first two seasons I was happy to go along for the ride, and most of the time I felt that key themes were building toward something. But elements like the psuedo "army" Jack and Ana Lucia were going to build and Sawyer's temporary seizing of camp control both got left in the dust, and when that happens I can't help but wonder what's going on.

Of course, I can be easily swayed back to wide-eyed optimism and, more importantly, I also enjoy the show on an episode-to-episode level. So I'm not going anywhere, but I will chuck a threw criticisms in if I think they're warranted. -- mac

#24. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2007 12:19 PM

This episode officially freaked me out. It was kinda like Groundhog Day (and it's ill-advised, short-lived copycat Daybreak) but with a Final Destination twist. That whole "course correction" thing got me thinking:
One of my theories has long been that everyone on the island will die before the series is over. The series finale just might be the deaths of our 3 major characters. Well, perhaps this is because they were all supposed to die in the plane crash. But, since they didn't and you can only thwart destiny for so long, the universe is correcting its course by killing them all off one by one.

@ bcre8ve: Awesome! LMFAO!!

#25. Posted by: Trinity at February 15, 2007 12:25 PM

Few time travel thoughts...

1. The fact that Des currently "sees the future" means that he has already experienced "the future" on the island. That is, he has also time-traveled back to "now" from some point in the future.

2. But, as he told Donavan in this episode's modified-flashback, he can't remember *everything* that he's experienced in a time-travel trip. I'm sure bits and pieces will be revealed which will help our Losties.

3. When he arrives naked after the hatch explosion, it's because he TT'd FORWARD from his past. That is, he pressed the button, and TT'd to the past upon blacking out. Then, he gets whacked by a bat, and upon blacking out he TT'd forward to the moments after pressing the button. So it seems like pressing the button caused a brief trip to his past.

4. In the book The Time Traveler's Wife (pub in 2003?), the man always arrives naked upon time-travelling. This does indeed happen when Des TT'd "forward", but not when he TT'd "backward". Hmmm....

5. I agree that we will likely see Donavan again. It will turn out he ended up believing the time-travel theory, and will play a key role in rescuing the Losties.

6. Did anyone Tivo the scenes that flashed upon Des's first time-travel?

#26. Posted by: Buck41 at February 15, 2007 12:35 PM

@ Trinity

You know that's a pretty good theory. i never thought of that. When you think about it they were all supposed to die. Or is it that only all the tailies were supposed to die (hence them all basically being dead) and that the destinies of all of the rest are to save the Others?

#27. Posted by: nina at February 15, 2007 12:36 PM

Did anyone look to see if the clothes Desmond was wearing when he showed up in his past (fell of the ladder) was the Dharma jump suite he was wearing in the hatch??????

#28. Posted by: loch ness at February 15, 2007 12:41 PM

Mac, great recap. Thanks, as always.

Some thoughts:

-- I agree, Wicked Witch imagery of the red sneakers pointing out of the rubble ... brilliant. But any important meaning??

-- In general, not one of the best episodes this season, IMHO.

-- I cringed when Desmond said the words "time travel". It borders on cliches. I hope the writers are careful with this one.

-- The lady in the ring shop (the "oracle") said something like, "You have to push the button so you save US." Us?? Who is "us"? The Others? Is she an "other"? If so, what's she doing in the real world? Hmmmmmm.

-- Thoughts on Charlie dying ... First of all, the writers have TOTALLY set Charlie up to receive THE WRATH OF SAWYER. All LOST fans know the main rule of the island: DON'T TOUCH SAWYERS STUFF!! We all know that Sawyer is on his way back ... It's just a matter of time before Charlie receives a whooping from Sawyer. Do you think Sawyer will reveal that Charlie bagged Sun -- in revenge for Charlie taking his stuff???

-- More thoughts on Charlie dying ... Remember that Charlie shot Ethan in cold blood. I can't imagine the Others are happy about this. In fact, knowing how they keep grudges, I wouldn't be surprised if this technicality raises its ugly head later!

-- There was a TON of imagery in last night's episode that my eyes couldn't take in. I'm sure one of the LOST sites will have screen caps soon. But there were paintings ... I think the green cup offered to Desmond was from the hatch ... lots of stuff.

-- I agree ... at first I thought we were watching a FLASH-FORWARD last night. Desmond's flashback was full of time-jumps. The show has dropped so many obvious and non-obvious hints about time anamolies now, that I think it's just a matter of time (he he) before they reveal their hand and tell us about "time lost" on the island.

I look forward to next week's show!!

- Matt

#29. Posted by: Matt at February 15, 2007 12:44 PM

If they are looping, then plenty of things "make sense" now-- Walt knowing things ahead of time, Locke knowing when the rain would fall, Jack saving his fiancée though miraculous surgery, etc... I don't think they realize it, but get the flashes of memory, inspiration, whatever you want to call it. Like maybe Jack's fiancée died loop after loop until he subconsciously learned how to save her. I think maybe only Desmond and Walt know about the looping, the rest aren't aware, which is why they seem to be able to tell the future with varying degrees of memory. Maybe Dharma is the organization of people who are aware of it and are working diligently to break the loop, by changing the Valenzetti equation. Maybe Desmond told Penny on the next loop, or the one after that and she was finally able to piece it together and try to find him.

It would explain a few little things, but too many holes. Brain hurts.

#30. Posted by: AB at February 15, 2007 12:49 PM

OK, I, like most, seem to be having trouble understanding exactly how Desmond going BACK in time actually lets him know about FUTURE events?

The only thing I could think of is that Desmond has already lived through the future and is perhaps starting over, ala Groundhog Day, at the hatch explosion. But that would mean he would have to restart everytime that he saved Charlie, otherwise he wouldn't know about the next day's death trap to save him. Maybe everytime he gets confused is when he jumps back from the future into his old self

#31. Posted by: Chris at February 15, 2007 12:50 PM

Desmond cleared up the time travel thing - at least I think he did. He didn't actually time travel, but rather his whole life flashed before his eyes - both his past life AND his future life. That's why he knows what's going to happen in the future - he has seen it all, already.

Implosion - if it was an implosion - without other intervention - Eko, Locke and Desmond should still be in the hatch. Perhaps somebody dragged Desmond, Eko and Locke out while they were unconcious (and apparently stripped Desmond of his clothes, maybe they were burning).

#32. Posted by: John G at February 15, 2007 12:58 PM

Also, Penny's dad's, Widmore says that a single swallow of that whiskey is worth more than what Desmond could make in a month. Assuming he was about to get a nice middle-class job, he'd probably have made ~$50K US money or about $4K/month. If his swallow was about 2oz and that bottle was 750mL then that bottle was worth at least $50,000. That's some expensive whiskey, wonder who was flying around with it? Pointless? yes, but funny.

#33. Posted by: Chris at February 15, 2007 1:01 PM

I am more convinced than ever that the guys who write this show have started chucking in all these pop-culture references and aren't-we-clever undergraduate core curriculum references solely to distract us from the truth: that they are treading water and have already been down twice. This show is turning into Twin Peaks. It has no purpose anymore.

The only unifying theme I can see is that clearly the writers have been stymied in their pursuit of Hot Chicks by their discerning and manly fathers on more occasions than one.

I have changed the reason I watch this show and now watch it as I watched MST3K: to see just exactly how bad it will get.

Hint re: Desmond: paranoid schizophrenia. Look it up.

#34. Posted by: Appleby Mennym at February 15, 2007 1:01 PM

First time poster. Love the recaps.

No one was mentioned Desmond's fall from the ladder. To me it seemed that his abilities to foresee the furture started with that fall and knock on the head. Maybe he's seeing his future and thinks it's his past. That might explain why he thinks he alerady knows Charlie.

#35. Posted by: Mike at February 15, 2007 1:02 PM

I agree with everyone who posted about Donavan playing a role in Penny finding Des. I definitely think that when Des gets lost on the "around the world tour" Donovan will tell Penny abotu the conversation and Penny will start looking for him. And it iwll lead to the scene at the end of season 2.

As for Charlie - the one thing he does offer is comedy. I really like his one liners and have for some time.

Charlie: [hands Kate her shirt] Oh, and uh, someone left this.

Kate: It was... um... it was full of bees.

Charlie: I would've thought Cs, actually.

#36. Posted by: Melissa at February 15, 2007 1:07 PM

Charlie Hieronymus Pace = Mac cues a reply, "Hi, Heroin!"

#37. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 15, 2007 1:08 PM

"...it's a flashback that's been chucked in a blender and seasoned with a pinch of implied time travel." Hehehe. Lovd that, mac. And the entire review too, of course. Thanks!

Some (way) random thoughts:

could JULIET and the Jewelry store lady be one in the same? Could there be a conneciton b/n the images that Alpert showed Juliet of a 70-year-olds' womb be her own, but in the future????

@ransomjack: Love your thoughts on the Wizrd of Oz connections! Guess we'll have to all keep following the yellow brick road for a while, huh?

Donovan: remember the two guys that they showed at the end of last season out in some boat calling Penny? Was one of them actually Donovan?

TimeTravel = WonkaVision for anyone out there who remembers the scene from Charlie and the Choc Factory book/movies. Remember that TV Mike sends himself "in a million little pieces" trhough the air and is transported in mini version into the TV at the other end of the room.


#38. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2007 1:25 PM

I highly doubt this is meaningful, but it popped into my brain anyway. Did anyone else notice that Des's full name is Desmond David Hume? And does anyone know the relationship of the philosophers David Hume and John Locke?

#39. Posted by: Joz at February 15, 2007 1:27 PM

Mac, I must say, I LOVE your recaps. There very detailed and they always make me laugh. Awesome review!

But I do want to ask something:

Why is everyone seem so "unconcerned" that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were kidnapped? I mean, they were only taken by the "Others". What gives?

#40. Posted by: Destynee at February 15, 2007 1:28 PM

Good review Mac but I've read soooooo much better reviews from you, I'm sorry. I know, I know, you're a busy man nowadays and I understand it myself. ANYWAY, really loved this episode, even if no definite answers were given, I know they're going to be well understood in the future... BTW... I guess what Monaghan's agent is doing these days is coming up with new ways Desmond can save Charlie so that his client can still be employed... or else he goes the way of the tailies!

#41. Posted by: LostFanPR at February 15, 2007 1:37 PM

Desmond was naked because he was reborn. All babes are born naked...

#42. Posted by: Pierre at February 15, 2007 1:40 PM

Possible link to the last scene of season 2....

You know where those russian (?) people in the boat are looking for the magnetic trace the island gives off, at the orders of Penny Widmore?

Well is it plausible that at some stage if Des did 're-live' his life that he basically said everything to Penny and asked her to go and look out for him???

As so far this is the only thing that the ending for season two (on the boat) could possibly be linked with in relation to this season!!!

#43. Posted by: Naz at February 15, 2007 1:41 PM

Another favorite Charlie quote

Charlie: Thanks, man, I'll keep it safe. Hey, Locke, do you have a message? It's going on the raft. You know, Dear mom, Everything's fine. I'm on the island, unless, of course, the black smoke people turn up. Love, your name here. For when they get rescued... they can contact your family.

#44. Posted by: Melissa at February 15, 2007 1:43 PM

@Joz: You are correct to focus on that. There is, in fact, a strong link between Locke and Hume in the development of philosopy. Hume cited Locke as a primary influence.

IMO, the strongest relevant distinction between the two (relevant to the show, that is) is Hume's development of the idea that there is no real empirical evidence for causation. To oversimplify, one of Hume's most important contributions to philosophy is the idea that people are free from prior causal relationships and prior causal relationships to not thwart freewill.

I'd say there's a pretty obvious connection between that and last night's episode.

#45. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2007 1:43 PM

I slo-moed the flurry of scenes that appeared when Desmond turned the key - and the second set later in the episode, some were familiar, some were not, one particularly familiar glimpse was Kelvin on the rock w/his head bleeding.

Also don't forget the soundtrack in Karl's brainwashing room had this phrase repated throughout (it was backmasked): 'Only fools are enlsaved by time and space'

#46. Posted by: Zizzy at February 15, 2007 1:43 PM

Best. Episode. Ever. "Flashes" restored my faith in Lost.
Sure, it posed new questions in the pursuit of answers, but that's the point. If we just had all the questions from the the get-go, the story would get old.
I just love watching as the theories that have been posted on here turn out to be on target. There are some good minds in this bunch.

#47. Posted by: Kaytie at February 15, 2007 1:49 PM

Best. Episode. Ever. "Flashes" restored my faith in Lost.
Sure, it posed new questions in the pursuit of answers, but that's the point. If we just had all the questions from the the get-go, the story would get old.
I just love watching as the theories that have been posted on here turn out to be on target. There are some good minds in this bunch.

#48. Posted by: Kaytie at February 15, 2007 1:50 PM

When Desmond peers into the ring case, we see a reflection of what's supposed to be him but to it looks like a reflection of Ben face down on the operating table. The puffy, squinty eyes look like Ben's, not Desmond's.

#49. Posted by: Mel at February 15, 2007 1:50 PM

so i dont get it...des jumps in the water to save claire and keep charlie from dying...did he see claire dying too?...if she was drowning and her rescuer dies doesn't that mean that she died too...claire could have been hit by the lightning too...is he lying to charlie?...it looks like claire is the one he is trying to protect

#50. Posted by: lostme at February 15, 2007 1:50 PM

Time to go re-read Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five", the classic novel in which the protagonist becomes "unstuck in time" after a plane crash and winds up randomly and repeatedly revisiting different parts of his life. In one portion of his life, he is in what is essentially a zoo, having been kidnapped by aliens whose senses percieve in four dimensions, the fourth being time. These aliens are able to perceive every moment of their life from birth, including their death, and consequently embrace a philosophy of predestination. According to the aliens, human beings are unique in the universe in their belief in free will.

#51. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2007 1:51 PM

Here's a thought:

So Charlie is the one Des has been saving, but Charlie was also almost dead one other time - when Ethan strung him up by his neck and Jack saved him. It seems as though Charlie keeps dodging death. Is there something special about Charlie we've yet to learn?

#52. Posted by: AmyK at February 15, 2007 1:56 PM

@Mac: Scored a direct hit with the 'Oracle' comment, I'd say. The "Lost" writers are definately trodding down the exact same philosophical path: the great philosophical debate of freewill vs. predestination and the pradox of causation vs. choice. It would be a tremendous understatement to say that the way these issues were resolved in the final "Matrix" movie was disappointing. But it would seem to me that, whatever meandering paths they choose to get there, the "Lost" writers seem determined to ultimately do battle with this same subject.

#53. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2007 1:56 PM

Perhaps this episode all occurred in Desmond's head while he was unconscious from the explosion. It would explain how he knew what was going to happen because he already lived it. And he threw in musician Charlie since that was who was on his mind to be saving.

Trinity's theory is good if this one is proven wrong. If they are all destined to die as a "correction" they are well on their way. If the time travel is a possiblity could Adam and Eve be Jack and Kate in the future?

@Gator Gal: Mathias and Henrik were the outpost listeners from the season 2 finale. I was hoping for Donovan too!

Was last night's episode written by the guys who wrote "Taye Diggs Groundhog's Day?" It was the same plot.

Any discussion on the similarites/differences between Desmond and Jin? Overbearing father of loved one (and possible Dharma operative) offers menial job to well-meaning lower caste suitor. Each is upset when rejected and told that they will never amount to anything. Both try to run away from father (sailing, flying to US). Daughter's are both upset over weak decision to not stand up to father.

#54. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 15, 2007 2:00 PM

@Deep Cover

Add to that "nature vs. nurture", closely related to the debates you've mentioned, and you have another reason for wanting to take all the children - especially infants.

#55. Posted by: AmyK at February 15, 2007 2:00 PM

I actually thought this episode was quite good, though it suffered from significant pacing problems in the first 20 minutes or so.

I'm satisfied with the degree of revelation about Desmond. It's totally consistent with the Desmond portrayed in the opening episode of Season 2, where he displays an uncanny ability to guess Jack's innermost thoughts and private life issues, then takes his leave of Jack with a cheery, "See you in another life, brother!" They knew where they were going with this a long time ago, it seems. Whatever other flaws attend the show, a failure to plan this out doesn't seem to be on the list.

Desmond-as-Billy-Pilgrim is an interesting development, with a big difference in that where Billy Pilgrim's 'unstuck in time' experience gave him a perternatural serenity and convinced him of the truth of predestination, while Des has come unglued and alternately attempts to fight, flee and/or surender to his fate.

If the Others are aware of the same nature-of-the-universe truths as the little old lady just revealed to Desmond, their determination to identify and develop people (like Walt) with the power to make things happen with their thoughts actually has a rational basis. These are the people who can fight back against a universe that is remorselessly determined to course correct. This will get them out of their Predicament.

Whatever that is. ;-)

#56. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2007 2:15 PM

I really liked this episode if simply for the reason that other actors besides Jack, Kate and Sawyer need some screen time. It would be nice to move the other story lines forward already.

It seems it's going into Sci-Fi mode at this point and the "literal" explanations will all be hypothetical theories. The Destiny/Fate aspect to the storyline means that there is a higher power/being/??? driving what is 'supposed' to happen.

When I saw the red shoes part, my thought was they were doing the Wizard of Oz thing to let us know it's all in his head -- just like Dorothy. She thought is was real, too.

Next we'll have Benry as the Messiah.

Merci Beaucoup, Msr. Mac

#57. Posted by: Katester2 at February 15, 2007 2:17 PM

@Pieces of Arzt

I agree with your first comment. I think it was all in Desmond's head.

Maybe it is wishful thinking, but I don't think the writers want to go down the time travel slippery slope.

Obviously you have to suspend some disbelief to appreciate Lost but adding something as sci-fi as time travel reeks of a jumping shark.

#58. Posted by: Paulie at February 15, 2007 2:18 PM

Good episode brought up some more interesting questions. I have an interesting theory just my 2 cents. It's a long one so skip if u're not interested.


So here's what I think is happening with desmond. Ok we're led to believe he's reliving his past after turning the failsafe key and can barely remember events from the island but still brief images are stuck in his head. When he gets knocked out in the bar and appears on the island. It's the producers way of skipping what we already know. Desmond actually can't change his past like he's led to believe by predicting the soccer game. That in fact he has joined the army again and the race around the world, and once again begins his quotidian job of button pushing. Now stay with me here, he briefly remembers events but can't predict that locke is going to smash the computer so he can't stop him (plus course correction will occur anyway). But he turns the failsafe key again, and rather than returning to his past when he falls off the ladder, he appears in the jungle. WHY? I think that he had accomplished something in his past that he had failed to do his 'first' time through. That would be the point that many people are referring to as tipping off donovan about his time travelling escapades. This will trigger Penelopes eventual savior of the losties. Now since he has done the impossible and "changed" his past effectively changing the future, he can continue his life as he wakes naked in the jungle.

Now the catch is he continues his life, seeing charlie die by a lightning bult and then coming to some distant point in his life where he's forced to either turn another failsafe key or some other rewinding mechanism. This will continue for Des until he figures out what he is meant to do (maybe save charlie until help arrives). For example, second time thru he saves charlie from lightning but sees Charlie die saving Claire. So 3rd time he saves Claire to keep Charlie safe. Who knows what number loop Des is in now?

This is why I think Des screams to Charlie "you don't want to know what i've been through brother." He's been through his life MANY times and each time he's remembering more and more from his past. Reliving his life must be torture. This presents the questions, what's keeping Des from killing himself. Anyway that's my 2 cents, and sorry for the long post, just had to get that off my chest.

#59. Posted by: Matt at February 15, 2007 2:18 PM

Forgot to add:

what's with everyone not getting upset about Mr. Eko??? Oh, he's dead? By the "Island"? Let's have a party on the beach! He and Charlie were tight, no?

#60. Posted by: Katester2 at February 15, 2007 2:20 PM

After this episode, my brain hurts!

I think the most confusing part about this "flash-whatever" Des had is the fact that he ran into Charlie, who he recognized but didn't recognize him, and the Oracle, who approached Des about it and actually mentioned the experience he was having, like the person in your dream who tells you it's a dream. If it were a true time travel experience or parallel universe experience, then I don't know if I would believe thost two things would be plausible (hey, like the whole situation is plausible to begin with, right? I know...) because I think it would be the "traveler's" experience only, with no one else in it to possibly acknowledge the experience going on. So the fact that those two were part of the scene leads me to think that it was just an experience he had when he was knocked unconscious after the implosion. What I really want to know is how he and the others exploded while the hatch imploded.

I don't know if this even makes any sense...like I said, my brain hurts...

#61. Posted by: Vikki at February 15, 2007 2:23 PM

I'm still leaning on the slender reed of the writer's promise that everything has a non-supernatural explanation. But the reed is beginning to bend.

#62. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 15, 2007 2:35 PM

Did Desmond give any clues that he knew Mr. Eko was going to be killed by Smoky? If I remember correctly Desmond was there with Locke, Sayid and Nikki/Paulo when it happened Or is it only Charlie’s demise that he can see?

Does anyone find it unusual that Juliet and Penny look so much alike?

#63. Posted by: Missie at February 15, 2007 2:40 PM

Mac
When you said we'd seen that picture of Penny and Des many times before, which times were you thinking of? Have we seen it pre-hatch explosion?

#64. Posted by: Lisa at February 15, 2007 2:44 PM

Did anyone else see the Dharma logo on the red sneakers of the dead man? I may have imagined it.

#65. Posted by: Lisa at February 15, 2007 2:46 PM

Just to jump on the Desmond David Hume thing--which I think is definitely important---when Libby gave Desmond her husband's boat--his name was David too.

Not sure the connection, but maybe important?

#66. Posted by: Penfoe at February 15, 2007 2:47 PM

In my opinion, this episode is an important milestone in the course of the series. Officially declaring Lost as "science fiction" gives the writers all required freedoms in order to puzzle the open (and formerly inconsistent) story-lines together.

I think this is a good thing (in other words: the writers had no other choice, anyway). I suppose the audience is generally much more forgiving for any inconsistencies in "science fiction" shows than in "reality" shows (take battlestar galactica as an example ;) ).

Unfortunately, Lost isn't the first show about multiple time lines/universes, time travel, fate vs. freedom, ..., and it's virtually impossible to NOT draw any parallels to other shows or movies. I suppose we will see the words "this idea was stolen from..." a lot in future comments.

#67. Posted by: Margot at February 15, 2007 2:54 PM

OK, I'm trying to catch back up. It appears that my Thursdays at work are busier this season. LOL. So, if this is a repeat of someone else's comment, please don't bash me, just disregard this.

Back in Miami, during last week's episode, was Juliet pregnant? The reason I ask is because every outfit she was wearing appeared to be a maternity shirt. Granted, she isn't far along, but it does look like she's pooching. But, what did it for me was last night's re-showing. If you recall the scene in the interview where she walks up to the image of the 70 year old womb, the image of the womb super-imposes onto her own frame from the projection screen. It looks like it's a clue. So, if she was preggers, did her miracle drug make her pregnant? If so, did she carry to term? Does she have a baby on the island?

I'll admit this is a long shot, but I couldn't help noticing her clothes, her posture and her belly all looked like a woman who is about 4-5 months pregnant. BUT, all of that is different in all of her scenes now on the island.

Did anybody else notice this, or is my brain fried with trying to find things that don't even exist?

#68. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 15, 2007 2:55 PM

Great episode ! It's the whole TERMUNATOR time travel thinng ! You come through on the other side naked. Ask Arnold ! How many quid for a shot of MacCucheons ? How much $ for a bottle I wonder. I'll stick with the Patron.
Still the greatest show ever !

"We're gonna need a bigger boat "

#69. Posted by: thinng at February 15, 2007 3:06 PM

TERMINATOR hey that was a typo.... the u is right next to the i on the keyboard. sheesh... don't bar-b-que my ass for that one or I'll turn this into a spelling bee...

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#70. Posted by: thinng at February 15, 2007 3:10 PM

I hope it was all in his head because the producers have said that everything could be explained by scientific method. Bringing science fiction into it won't diminish my viewing or enjoyment but to start making things 'fit' because they have been painted (red) into a corner is like cheating. Hopefully the writers have a master plan to conclude things and reveal all.

#71. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 15, 2007 3:18 PM

WOW. What can one say that has already been said? . . .

Yes, MAC, last night’s episode was quirky, frightening, confusing, idiosyncratic, freakish, erratic, eccentric, bizarre, weird, peculiar, funny, strange, curious, odd, alarming, terrifying, discomforting, confounding, disconcerting, dizzying, perplexing, bewildering, mind-muddling, and logic-scrambling . . . .

And when the Ep was over, I sat there like “Sight-and-Sound-Soaked Carl” . . . and the only thing I could think of was.....

I LOVED IT!!!!!!!! Every freaky layer upon freaky layer.

Let’s face it. We ought to be a little “island-street-smart” by now. Did we really think that “answers” in the lost world, would be just like “answers” in our REAL world?!?
As my wife of 37 years says when I commit a “household” faux pas . . . “Have you learned nothing in all these years? . . .

But I have to admit: “Saving Charlie” came out of the blue!

Oh, these writers are GOOOOOOOOD.

#72. Posted by: davidrh at February 15, 2007 3:33 PM

The biggest clue in “Not in Portland” was the guard reading “A Brief History of Time.” It appears that the producers “answer” to the fundamental mysteries of the series may be their view of the concept of Time.

We view time as a linear, one way street. Past, present, future.
If the producers view time as circular, time could go in multiple directions, like a needle skipping between grooves on a record (a favorite image throughout the series). One could bounce from the future, to the past, then back to the present.

The problem with this notion is that if the needle is the universe that marks the time and space of everyone, if it bounces back and forth between past and future, should not everyone be effected in the same way as Desmond? Charlie did appear in Dez’s flash forward; then why doesn’t Charlie have a same recollection, the same ESP as Desmond, if time skipped them both back to the U.K.? Is Desmond merely recreating Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day?

What really got the episode off-kilter was the jewelry store clerk. She comes across as an anti-Clarence the Angel from “It’s a Wonderful Life.” She knows everything about him. He discounts her knowledge as his conscious; but she manifests herself as a real person in the real world. She tells him that the universe “course corrects” a person’s fate (death) and each person has one true destiny to fulfill. She is basically prodding Dez to go off and kill himself by turning the key to reach his destiny. She infers that there is no free will because your life has been pre-programmed. If this is true, why would she be needed to be a Grim Reaper and push Desmond back into his destiny path and away from Penny? The universe should be able to take care it on its own. She specifically said that Desmond had to use the fail safe key in order to save everyone. If she knew how important the turning of the fail safe key was to mankind (and herself), why did not she go to the island herself, take the key from Kelvin, and save the world herself? Unless turning the key meant immediate death so others could live. And Dez, knowing if he left Penny, his life would become an island hell, does exactly what the grim reaper wants him to do: dump Penny instead of changing a signficant moment in his life. The clerk’s story line merely adds a layer of confusion.

Then this gets me to thinking that there are more grim reapers out there. Ben knows everything about Jack; is he there to push Jack back into his final destiny? Mr. Eyeliner knew everything about Juliet; was he in Miami to push her to her final destiny on the island? And is everyone's final destiny some sort of gruesome death?

It is hard to tell whether this was a continuity error or a major clue. Prior to the flashback, when Desmond is choking Charlie, Hurley merely says dude and does not jump in to stop the action. At the end of the episode, the scene is replayed but when Desmond is choking Charlie, Hurley immediately jumps up and wrestles Dez off a gasping Charlie. It was a small change in the scene. If Hurley’s intervention saved Charlie from Desmond’s hold (and possible strangulation), and Desmond has been saving Charlie for the past few beach days, is the jewelry’s clerk’s notion that “when your time is up, it’s up” a lie? Or any intervention only delays fate? Then why was it so important for Desmond to turn the key? Just so he can re-live his life before he dies? A doomed life that he cannot change?

Now that Desmond has completed his destiny (the fail safe key/hatch implosion), he does go into flash forward, flashback or flash present mode but is he unable to control or change them? It would seem a cruel fate to be mentally locked into an endless loop of personal failings.

If the component of space is the key in the Time equation, Desmond has always been fond of saying “See you in another life.” Is he saying that every person has parallel lives, but somehow his separate spacial lives have criss crossed and through the process of 6 degrees of separation, he knows what is going to happen to the people around him?

The explanation of what is happening on the island is going from plane crash reality show, to prison drama, to science-fiction (the best having a basis in scientific truth extrapolated by reasonable future invention/discovery) to fantasy.

#73. Posted by: welh at February 15, 2007 3:34 PM

WOW. What can one say that has already been said? . . .

Yes, MAC, last night’s episode was quirky, frightening, confusing, idiosyncratic, freakish, erratic, eccentric, bizarre, weird, peculiar, funny, strange, curious, odd, alarming, terrifying, discomforting, confounding, disconcerting, dizzying, perplexing, bewildering, mind-muddling, and logic-scrambling . . . .

And when the Ep was over, I sat there like “Sight-and-Sound-Soaked Carl” . . . and the only thing I could think of was.....

I LOVED IT!!!!!!!! Every freaky layer upon freaky layer.

Let’s face it. We ought to be a little “island-street-smart” by now. Did we really think that “answers” in the lost world, would be just like “answers” in our REAL world?!?
As my wife of 37 years says when I commit a “household” faux pas . . . “Have you learned nothing in all these years? . . .

But I have to admit: “Saving Charlie” came out of the blue!

Oh, these writers are GOOOOOOOOD.

#74. Posted by: davidrh at February 15, 2007 3:34 PM

I don't mean to be a bucket of cold water (or red paint) on the festivities, but we all seem to be assuming that Des actually left the island after he turned the key and the hatch imploded and the sky went all purple. Is it possible that the entire episode was just a dream? He did get bonked on the bean pretty good, both in the hatch and in the pub, and in a dream context, his subconscious mind could have generated everything he thinks he re-lived through.

I so very badly want to be wrong.

#75. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 15, 2007 3:38 PM

"Desmond(e)" signifie "the (multiple) worlds," n'est pas?

#76. Posted by: soveryhooked at February 15, 2007 3:55 PM

I sort of agree with RansomJackson, the dream sequence for a whole episode is just as lame as time travel for an explanation. I would rather that be the case than having every sci-fi cliche start being introduced.

As for blowing off Eko's death, remeber that Sayid and Locke brought Charlie and Hurley in to keep the campers calm. It would seem that off camera everyone was told and perhaps that is why they allowed the loud beach party with Desmond.

#77. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 15, 2007 4:00 PM

I, for one, would love to see this show embrace its sci-fi side. As Margot noted, sci-fi shows have the ability to expand beyond the realm of "audience reality." I'm not saying we need spaceships and Stargates, but clearly, weirdness is afoot and the "scientific" explanations aren't going to cut it.

Of course, sci-fi is a niche and it doesn't attract the massive audiences needed to sustain a network show (consider: Battlestar gets around 2 million viewers while "Lost" brings in 14+ million).

#78. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2007 4:04 PM

I am joining this conversation quite late and I hate to be dull, but it seems to me that Desmond's flashback/flashforward was merely a dream he had after he went through his black hole or whatever it was when he saved the world. He does seem to be prescient, but perhaps he is being influenced by Mrs. Hawking's comments in his dream. If he hadn't put the lightning rod on Claire's tent, lightning would have struck somewhere else. And he may simply have gotten it into his head that in saving Claire he was saving Charlie because that is now what he believes. He can be forgiven for being a little rattled by his experience. Still, he does seem to be prescient.

#79. Posted by: August Paul at February 15, 2007 4:09 PM

I don't have a screenshot or anything (so i guess i could be wrong), and I don't mean to be nit-picky, but I'm pretty sure the whiskey was "McCutcheon" not "MacCutcheon"... i know this

a. because scottish last names that begin with Mac typically don't have a C following the Mac (think MacIntire, MacDonald, MacNamara, etc)

b. because McCutcheon is my name : )

as a side note, i don't believe there is such a thing as McCutcheon whiskey... although there is a McCutcheon bar and McCutcheon brand honey!

other than that, bang up job this week brutha!

#80. Posted by: E-Mc at February 15, 2007 4:11 PM

"Desmond(e)" signifie "the (multiple) worlds," n'est pas?"

Mais, oui! :)

#81. Posted by: Trinity at February 15, 2007 4:13 PM

It was all a dream? That would make the whole ep spectacularly pointless, and would be the official Shark Jump Point. See, e.g. "Dallas".

#82. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2007 4:14 PM

Small silly point, but I want to make it anyway...Des's oracle was named Ms. Hawking, and last week Aldo was reading Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking (pgs 100-101 BTW)? Coincidence?
Not bloody likely, brutha.

#83. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 15, 2007 4:20 PM

For those of you whose tastes do not run to single malt scotch:

The scotch portrayed in the show does not exist, but it was obviously supposed to represent the real world 60-year-old Macallan, which recently sold at auction for $38,000 for one bottle.

#84. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2007 4:22 PM


. Charlie was like a little kid with his hand caught in the cookie jar when Des was giving CPR to Claire. Am I correct in thinking that someone said previously that Charlie and Claire will hook up in the future? I certainly hope not as Charlie is a constant source of earation.

. When Charlie was rifling thru Sawyer's things, Hurley should have said, "You are trying to take what Sawyer has rightfully stolen!"

. Forward, backward, sideways - it seems Des doesn't know his own mind (he hasn't missed much). He was in such a stupor (MacCutcheon's will do that to you) that had he walked into a creamatory, he'd have asked, "What's cooking?"

Hey gang, we may have to put out an APB for Mr. Grimm. Where in the heck is he?

#85. Posted by: ButchM at February 15, 2007 4:23 PM

@E-Mc: I could be wrong, but I got the name directly from the screen. I'll see if I can confirm it again.

#86. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2007 4:24 PM

Fine recap Mac, always fun reading.

Henry Ian Cusick, who plays Desmond, is Jesus in the recent movie "The Gospel of John", and he doesn't dissapoint there as well.

Here's an explanation for Locke's miraculous cure. Since a prior concussion is the trigger for time travel, Locke goes back as well (although we haven't seen it yet). Note Desmond doesn't know why he can predict the future, which means he doesn't remember the time travel, although he remembers the new past. The same will be true for Locke.

#87. Posted by: Loz at February 15, 2007 4:24 PM

Just who belonged to the bottle of MacCutcheon whiskey that ended up in Sawyer's hut? Could Penny's father have been on 815? It is Mr. Widmore that Penny is looking for and not Des?

Len

#88. Posted by: Len at February 15, 2007 4:25 PM

Mac, i apologize if i was wrong about the name...

... i did do a little dance in my apartment last night when i saw it though, my name on my wednesday night obsession!?! too awesome.

#89. Posted by: E-Mc at February 15, 2007 4:27 PM

@welh...bravo!

@soveryhooked...c'est vrai! tres bien!

...is there truly any reason to believe Des when he tells Charlie he is to "save" him? What if he has really seen himself kill Charlie and is really trying to prevent that? Which might explain why Hurley didn't step in to stop the fight at first, but, at the end of the episode, he did....

#90. Posted by: Vikki at February 15, 2007 4:28 PM

Mac, i apologize if i was wrong about the name...

... i did do a little dance in my apartment last night when i saw it though, my name on my wednesday night obsession!?! too awesome.

#91. Posted by: E-Mc at February 15, 2007 4:28 PM

we are obviously meant to believe that charlie is "supposed" to die. But do we really know for sure? I believe that Des saw Charlie dying in the future, but maybe it was a coincidence. Believing he'll die might be, in the end, what kills Charlie.

#92. Posted by: JackAttack at February 15, 2007 4:37 PM

Len -

I love your thought process...Was Widmore on the plane too? Was it his liquor bottle? :)

#93. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 15, 2007 4:46 PM

The real Charlie isn't going to die, because that is not the real Charlie on the beach, he is a fake Charlie or "hieronymus machine." The real Charlie was abducted long ago, note the change in personality and shadiness of the new Charlie's character. Desmond will soon figure this out about the fake Charlie and the fake Charlie will try and push Desmond's final button, but Desmond or someone else will kill the fake Charlie and boom goes the dynamite.

#94. Posted by: Brickster at February 15, 2007 5:09 PM

I think it's possible that the flash-whatever was not time travel but not necessarily a dream sequence either. For all we know, Smokey, Dharma, the Others or whomever could have planted that saga in Desmond's brain while he was out.

Smokey has already shown he can read minds (see images in the smoke during his scan of Eko.) Why would he be able to manipulate Desmond's past in such a manner?

Now of course that does not explain how Desmond can see the future but I continue to believe it was not time travel.

For me, the smoke monster remains the biggest single mystery on the island. We are reasonably certain it can read minds and assume the shape of people. Who knows what that little bastard is capable of?

#95. Posted by: Paulie at February 15, 2007 5:36 PM

In my post above, I meant to say that it is possible that Smokey could be able to cause such an episode by manipulating Desmond's memory.

#96. Posted by: Paulie at February 15, 2007 5:39 PM

@Naz

>Possible link to the last scene of season 2....

>You know where those russian (?) people in the boat are looking for the magnetic trace the island gives off, at the orders of Penny Widmore?

1) Those guys appeared to be in a quonset hut, not a boat. There were snow-clad mountains visible through a window. (Not definitive, but indicative).

2) Others who should know say they were speaking Portuguese. Possible tie-in to Nikki/Paulo, or at least Paulo, who is played by a Brazilian actor and has a Brazilian sounding character name.

#97. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 15, 2007 5:46 PM

It has been stated that in the moments before impending death, a person's life flashes before their eyes. We suspect that occurred when Desmond turned the fail safe key and the Hatch imploded, which should have killed him.

Least we forget, another character was in the grips of his life flashing before his eyes . . . Ben woke up on the operating table to hear Jack had stuck him like a pig to bleed to death. So what did Ben do? He called in Juliet to cut a deal to save his own life.

Desmond's life flash: an unselfish act to save everyone.
Ben's life flash: a selfish act of self preservation.

#98. Posted by: welh at February 15, 2007 5:49 PM

@mac

>I, for one, would love to see this show embrace its sci-fi side. As Margot noted, sci-fi shows have the ability to expand beyond the realm of "audience reality." I'm not saying we need spaceships and Stargates, but clearly, weirdness is afoot and the "scientific" explanations aren't going to cut it.

>Of course, sci-fi is a niche and it doesn't attract the massive audiences needed to sustain a network show (consider: Battlestar gets around 2 million viewers while "Lost" brings in 14+ million).

1) I for two would also like to see an SF direction, but real SF (as opposed to Fantasy) requires logical consistency, and consistency with known science, or at least a reasonable rationale for anything that goes beyond what is currently known. I'm keeping an open mind, but...

2) Unfair to compare viewership of a network show to a cable-only show. In movies, in IMDB's rankings, 9 of the top 25 highest grossing movies ever are SF. Pretty popular niche, I'd say.

#99. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 15, 2007 5:54 PM

Hey, y'all what's with all the French?
Am I the only one that was disappointed with last nights episode? I just thought that it was a little incongruent to what has been going on lately. I know, "Lately?" Well maybe I was just expecting a little more action after the "great escape". I don't think that an episode has ever so completely focused on one character. Sure, there was Charlie and Hurley and Claire (for about ten seconds), but seriously, how about just a snippet of Sawyer, Kate, and Carl on their three hour tour?

I am not yet sure what happened to Desmond. It could have been a sideways move in space time. Many physicists believe that there are eleven dimensions. Some believe that there are more.

#100. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 15, 2007 5:59 PM

@hookedonlost
You know - I remember noticing that, too - that Juliet's shirts looked like maternity shirts in her flashbacks, and I thought that at least once she had a bit of a bump.

Did anyone read the book 'One' by Richard Bach? It has been several years since I read it...so this may be fuzzy...it's a bit of a fuzzy-wuzzy book, too. But it talks about there being different strings of our lives that only move in one direction, but you can jump strings and end up in different places on them...and they exist simultaneously. If I remember right he mentions having some control over moving between them. I have no idea if he wrote this book as non-fiction, an account of a hazy drug trip, or just as science fiction - I took it as science fiction. Anyway, it kept coming to mind (of course, along with Groundhog Day) during this episode.
Helen

#101. Posted by: Helen at February 15, 2007 6:00 PM

Oh, also...and this may be a very unoriginal observation, but *I* just thought of it, so it is new for me :)

Juliet? Where's Romeo? Is there a tragedy here waiting to happen?

#102. Posted by: Helen at February 15, 2007 6:08 PM

"I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet ... that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and ... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel." [Lindelof, Jan 2005]

I think this statement could be one of the main reasons why there were relatively few discussions about "time travel" in the past. If Lindelof wasn't lying, I suppose Lost is not about "time travel", but about multiple, alternate timelines which are somehow interfering. I suppose the hatch explosion did contribute to this interference between timelines.

Btw, there are a couple of popular physicists who actually believe in multiverses.

#103. Posted by: Margot at February 15, 2007 6:57 PM

I did notice the paint can said "future", Jason. The color red seemed to play a role in this episode. The unfinished red paint job in the apt, the red "future" paint dumped all over Des, the red sticker on Charlie's guitar, the Red PF Flyer shoes on Scaffolding Guy, Des wearing a red shirt the day he talks to the Oracle and repeats his decision to not marry Penny which seals his future, the McCutcheons red label, the Jukebox has a red light on during his second visit to the bar when the future goes as he predicted, etc etc.

I have expected to see Redrum scrawled on a mirror.

Maybe Charlie can escape his fate if he stayed away from the color red... ;)

I just wonder how Penny's story is going to lead her to the Antarctica or wherever she calls Desmond from??

#104. Posted by: a13xa9dr1a at February 15, 2007 7:41 PM

I hate having to watch the show one day late now! I thought the episode was awesome.


Did anyone else wonder why it took Desmond so much time to swim out so far to Claire,yet he was back right away?

#105. Posted by: meg at February 15, 2007 7:54 PM

did anyone notice the broach that the oracle was wearing it looked like the symbol for life death and rebirth I think its called an ara buris

#106. Posted by: jackie at February 15, 2007 8:29 PM

"McFly Maneuver" too funny Mac keep up the good work!

#107. Posted by: Monkphish at February 15, 2007 8:34 PM

This spot rocks! I too am a bit lost & confused - yes, my brain hurts! I truly enjoyed the episode - but - I think I enjoy coming here & reading everyone's thoughts about it more!! Multiple timelines, 6 degrees of separation, relativity...whose web are we walking on? Every time the "spider"(writers) plucks a line the timeline jumps for someone...fate, is that you??

#108. Posted by: katpaws at February 15, 2007 10:18 PM

@ jackie: Yes! The brooch that the old "Mother Time" lady is wearing could be very symbolic. It is, in fact, an ouroboros -- a symbol fo the never-ending ciricle of time. Hmmmmmmm!!!!

Something else I noticed - the old lady is first shown with a bunch of clocks (ie. symbols of time) behind her in the jewelry store. And, they all seem to be set to a different time.

#109. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2007 10:27 PM

I quickly read thru the comments to see if this has been mentioned yet, so forgive me if this is a repeat...
I think it was "buck41" who said that about Desmond and his current flashes of the future... I also was thinking that his time jump back to the past didn't really explain his precognition. But what if what we believe to be current time is actually the past for Desmond -- he has actually lived this already and somehow has travelled back to this time like he jumped back to his apartment. And like before he only gets brief glimpses of things he "remembers" from the future. This time he gets glimpses of future events (ie Charlie's impending death scenerios), but WE don't get it because we haven't seen it yet. Current time is actually the past (at least for Des).

Or I could just be crazy... this show is definately making my brain hurt!!

#110. Posted by: erin at February 15, 2007 10:45 PM

Hmm. Anyone want to toss the whole episode to a dream sequence? I'll agree that Desmond can now see the future due to tremendous exposure to magnetic/electromagnetic forces, but the time jumping would only make it easier for the writers to tie up the show.....(like the series finale of Quantum Leap)...been there done that. The writers have done this to us before, as someone had stated, taken us down a road and left us there to rot (jack's army, the sawyer coup, the dress-up others, the supply drop).

Loved the fact that the background to Des's picture was a 'pull down'. For all this time I thought they were in Australia when that was taken.

#111. Posted by: Bare Feet at February 15, 2007 11:00 PM

I know it's been said many times before, but I must say it anyway....many thanks to mac for these wonderful reviews. Watching Lost for me isn't complete until I read the review the next day. Your writing is so clever. I sit at work and find myself laughing hysterically-- I think I'm going to get in trouble one of these days.

"she ran in jeans, people. JEANS."
"Baywatchian skill"
"the 'McFly Maneuver'"
"William Wallace on steroids"
"the Wicked Witch of East London"

...to name a few.

Hysterical writing, let us know when you publish your book (wouldn't that be awesome).

Another thing.. I'm finding after reading all these comments that there are many books out there that I apparently need to read to understand this show fully. WAY too many... I don't have that kind of time. I already spend all my free time on this website. Ha,ha.

#112. Posted by: erin at February 15, 2007 11:06 PM

@ cecil rose: yeah, me too. My reed of belief in a non-scifi explanation is bending, too!

@ hookedonlost: Yes!!! WAY yes. I totally thought that Juliet looked pg in the "Not in Portland" episode. Was sge secretly injecting herself (along with her sister) with the magic baby-making-mojo?

@ ransomjack: ugh. say it ain't so....if it is all a dream there might just be a worldwide mutiny for the Lost producers to contend with!

@ Butch M: according to some articles I've read, yes you're right. Claire and Charlie are heading toward "coupledom" this season. And, the March 12 epi is Claire-centric.

Frightening thought for the day: this quote from Lindelof --

"But when the plan is executed, Nikki and Pauolo will be iconic characters on the sohw." EEEEKKKK! Read all abotu it for yourself at Entertainment Weekly (online cover story on Lost -- full of some great stuff).

@ Mr Grimm -- Where are you????

#113. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2007 11:08 PM

@jason and a13xa9dr1a,
"I thought when Des came too and looked around, that he spied a paint can with a yellow label on it with words written in black that read "FUTURE"."

And I recall a scene where someone (maybe Desmond) was walking down a hallway that had an open glass door at its end. That door was the word "FUTURE" but the lettering was backwards.
---------------------------------

@welh,
"If Hurley’s intervention saved Charlie from Desmond’s hold (and possible strangulation), and Desmond has been saving Charlie for the past few beach days ..."

How ironic if Desmond had killed Charlie right then!

#114. Posted by: pegasus_x at February 15, 2007 11:33 PM

Great review again. I am not getting caught up in the space/time travel aspect mostly because I do not understand it, but also because I believe we've been told there are plausible/practical explainantions for what is going on. I'm just a caveman and this space/time talk confuses my primitive mind. It falls under a theoretical category to me...a direction I do not think the producers would go.....I think all these space/time macguffins end with Desmondo's episode....along with the nods to matrix/final dest. Ali larter kung fu clones = me never watching again.

Anyone notice in both bar scenes the same people in the same clothes were standing near the jukebox.....most likely unintentional.

About Charlie, quite a character they are developing....steals baby in middle of night, abducts and hell, who knows possibly impregnates Sun and is Claire's #1 stalker counterbalanced by taking care of Ethan, saving Jack from collapsed cave and helping Frodo on his journey...what are we supposed to think of this tool? I hope he's offed...bah humbug.

#115. Posted by: Diggler at February 15, 2007 11:47 PM

@ a13xa9dr1a,

All the red stuff reminded me more of The Sixth Sense than The Shining.

Coincidentally (as if there are any coincidences on this show) the Shining is by Stephen King, and SK has been buddying around with Cuse re. making The Dark Tower series into a movie or mini-series...

WGNABB

#116. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 15, 2007 11:50 PM

Anyone notice the numbers 108 and 815 showing up in this episode? They were both in Desmond's flat but I can't remember exactly where. One was on a clock and the other..... Also, the microwave going off sounded just like the hatch alarm.

I don't necessarily think Desmond was having a dream but there are definite future things which seem to be imported into the past. Seems a little too coincidental to just simply be time travel.

#117. Posted by: Brian at February 16, 2007 12:52 AM

@Diggler - Were you the insiration for Phil Hartmen's Cave Man Lawyer? Or did you just save a bunch of money on insurance because it was so easy that "you" could do it?

I agree with you about Charlie by the way.

#118. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 16, 2007 7:06 AM

So who is the hiermonyous (sp??) Charlie??? Is it Darth Charlie?? Drug Addict Charlie?? Claire Lovin' Charlie?? Or the Guitar Playin' Charlie in Des' flash-whatever???

#119. Posted by: Vikki at February 16, 2007 7:40 AM

ok so what I dont understand is this: Desmond traveled back in time from the point of the implosion, so how does he remember stuff from AFTER the implosion? More importantly, how does he know Charlie would have died all these different times without not only living through the future already, but living through it multiple times so that he knows all of the instances in which Charlie would have died?

This show frustrates me to no end So many interesting questions get brought up by what happens, but then there are never any answers, and if there are its some vague answer like this one thats full of holes and doesn't REALLY explain anything. They've killed off some of the best characters (Boone? Eko?) yet they keep Charlie alive even though he is and has been the most annoying character in the series (you all know you agree)

I would assume that his story will link something eventually, but if the history of the show is any indication, the writers dont really seem to have any real plan for the show, they just go off in 20 different directions and NEVER answer the big questions, and ive lost hope that any of the questions will ever be answered as the writers seem to just wing it as they go along and push more and more things to the side that will never be touched on again.

This show has soo much potential, but it always leaves me hanging and it depresses me to think that half of the stuff will never be answered.

#120. Posted by: adan at February 16, 2007 9:24 AM

The “earlier” davidrh said:

I LOVED IT!!!!!!!! Every freaky layer upon freaky layer.


However, it appears that I am in the minority concerning everyone’s perception of this episode. True, Charlie’s character is becoming annoying, Desmond’s trip into the PastPresentFuture was erratic at best, and the silver-haired “Death-Angel-Oracle” was certainly a work of “mind-circus” . . . but let’s face it, sometimes, bizarre is fairly cool.

I like art by Salvador Dali, and music by Dallapiccola and Cage, and I really don’t need an explanation . . . I would rather just let my imagination walk through their works and see where it takes me. I suppose that’s how I see “LOST” . . I don’t really NEED an concrete explanation - Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like to have a hint now and then - but I’m more-or-less satisfied sitting there and letting the episodes just go where they go . . . and consider their impact one at a time.

When we were little and asked our parents things like, “Where do babies come from?” and “Is Santa Claus real?”, we probably didn’t get a CONCRETE ANSWER.....But we lived with whatever answer we got . . regardless of its vagueness and Dad’s stammering delivery on the “baby thing”.

So, do I still love this episode - every freaky layer upon layer? . . . Sure.

Why?

“Just because . . . “

#121. Posted by: davidrh at February 16, 2007 10:46 AM

Can someone explain what a $38,000 (supposedly) bottle of whiskey is doing in a pub sitting on the shelves along w/ the rail brands? LOL....

#122. Posted by: Quang at February 16, 2007 11:12 AM

Thanks to Brian for reminding me of the microwave beeper sounding like the hatch horn. I think this is more evidence that this flashback was all in his head. Why would a microwave have such an annoying sound?

#123. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 16, 2007 11:45 AM

Also I thought this was one of the weaker episodes since it did not really push the story along. What did we learn? Desmond did(n't) join the army? He met some crazy jeweler? He can't remember football scores? The only good part was that he thinks he saving Charlie from death. Couldn't he just as easily be saving Claire?

@GatorGal: Maybe Pikkolo will become Adam and Eve :). They're pretty iconic!

#124. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 16, 2007 11:54 AM

I hope Pikko becomes polarbear food.

#125. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 16, 2007 12:31 PM

Loved charlie reasoning with "crazy sounding street corner" Des "you and I were on an island toghether" "WE are now, England is an island" loved it.

#126. Posted by: CC at February 16, 2007 1:07 PM

The Entertainment Weekly article was really good. The producers admit to having made some mistakes (I assume they're referring to some of the plot threads they've brought up and then dropped--like the army). They also said most of the big mysteries won't be solved until the last episode which at this point appears to be end of season five. I think they have a good overall master plan for the show. I think they realize they've made a few mistakes in story direction and they're trying to rectify that. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Carrying out a single complicated storyline for such a prolonged period of time is tough stuff. I think they're doing a great job. I love this show and I'm going along for the ride until the end.

#127. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 16, 2007 1:19 PM

Given what the Oracle said about course correction, doesn't this reflect the futility of the DHARMA initiative trying to change one of the values in the Valenzetti Equation (the one that predicts the end of the human species with cold statistical precision)?

#128. Posted by: TimA at February 16, 2007 1:34 PM

Yes, they should off Charlie.

Desmond said that the "flashes" haven't stopped, which would mean he is in a persistent state of moving back and forth. This could explain the moments when he seems incoherent and then suddenly runs off. He did join the army, but we haven't flashed back to that yet.

The guy dropping off a package used the numbers 8 and 15 as well.

#129. Posted by: meg at February 16, 2007 1:46 PM

A few people have complained that Filmfodder's reviews haven't been as detailed as before.

Are you people gluttons for punishment? If Lost has taught us anything from the fall of 2006, it's that it's worthless to invest a lot in this show as the rewards are near minimal.

Having said that, at least this new round of eps is starting off promising. But still - it's the same old stuff - questions are answered with even more convoluted questions that have no answers.

The producers keep talking about their planned ending and their overall story arc. Yeah right. I bet they have no clue where this story is heading.

I sure don't.

#130. Posted by: Sam at February 16, 2007 2:04 PM

@ adan:
I disagree with Charlie being the most annoying character. Maybe the most annoying living character, but even that is debatable. Pikkolo should be at the top of that list. The most annoying, to me, is Shannon. What was her purpose? Eye Candy? Well, it worked for me, but she really was useless. Looking forward to next week when we are supossed to get some real answers.

#131. Posted by: onelost dude at February 16, 2007 2:04 PM

Just posted at the same time Onelostdude posted and I laughed out loud at his final comment:

Looking forward to next week when we are supossed to get some real answers.

Good gravy - isn't this what everyone's been saying since the end of season one??

We were supposed to get some real answers from the fall mini-season. We were supposed to get some answers from the last two episodes.

Heck, we were supposed to get answers at the end of season 2 - but the only thing the last 3 eps of season 2 did was answer questions with more questions and mystery.

People who watch Lost for "answers" need to watch House. Lost is not about answers.

BTW - I watch House and I watch Lost. I think I like House better.

#132. Posted by: Sam at February 16, 2007 2:08 PM

2/14/07: "The producers of hit TV drama Lost have been handed an expensive headache after film canisters featuring master footage was erased by an airport X-ray machine. The show bosses are still trying to figure out who to blame for the costly mistake, which could leave them having to spend an extra $300,000 to reshoot the scenes on the destroyed film."

Possibly a Universe course correction?

#133. Posted by: PAG at February 16, 2007 2:13 PM

One note in regards to the "details" that aren't being included in the reviews: I did everything I could to offer fair warning in that regard, so for the small number of folks who have a problem with it, I ask that you refer to my previous post (http://tinyurl.com/2xgb92).

And for everyone else, I promise this is the last time I'll discuss the format change ;)

-- mac

#134. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2007 2:13 PM

Hey Mac, YATKOALER! Saw the show a day late, so here I'm finally caught up.

Still love your reviews- this time as always you hit all the major points very effectively. Still laughing about your best line ever..."Des is standing around with Locke, Sayid, Charlie and Hurley, ranking the hotness of the island's women..."

There are just too many characters on this show to make any of them consistently integral to the plot. It's frustrating. But I did enjoy Claire's short time on this ep. Something about those eyes!

I don't think Desmond's little foray into his past was a true time-travel flashback. I think the 'trip' he experienced was in his head (a dream of sorts- a portion of his life flashing before his eyes...interactively) after the implosion knocked him out. But as a result of the magnetic implosion or whatever it was, he now has some pre-cognitive abilities. I don't believe he is still 're-living his past' in the Lost-Away's present time. Instead, he is currently able to see glimpses of things that are going to happen that truly haven't happened yet, ie, Locke's speech, the lightning, and Charlie drowning trying to save Claire.

But he doesn't know about them as a result of living through them again- that's not possible. Here's proof: He wouldn't know about Charlie drowning because all he would've lived the first time was Charlie getting zapped by lightning.

And I don't think the show is going to get into the multiple time-lines crap. Too many characters and situations to keep track of.

And Desmond wouldn't have acted so surprised and laughed so hard at the irony of seeing that same expensive brand of whiskey in Charlie's hand if he had already lived that beach experience.

Now having said all that...I don't buy that Des gave up so easily on Penny the 2nd time around. Sure the 'oracle' told him his density (McFly!) was the island button, but if the universe would truly course-correct, then why not max your time with Penny and let the universe get you to the island another way? Why not propose to Penny anyway and see what bloody happens brotha?!!

I am surprised that the show is taking a time travel twist when it has been previously noted that nothing on the island is supernatural...everything has a logical scientific explanation. Can't wait to see how this is all dealt with in coming eps.

Sorry for the long post, but one more thing. The implosion and how Locke, Charlie, Eko, and Des were blown away from it (and Des ending up sans clothes) will most likely never be fully explained. I'm pretty sure we are just supposed to suspend our disbelief about how the whole hatch thing played out and accept that what happened was possible with an 'implosion'.

#135. Posted by: JoePike at February 16, 2007 2:52 PM

Mac--All the love people were giving you last week, saying they didn't see any difference in the level of detail. Now all of a sudden this week there's a bunch of people complaining. Your reviews are still the best Mac. A little less Mac is better than no Mac at all. It seems like some of the posters are just getting disgruntled about Lost in general. They're complaining about the show so much that they feel a need to complain about the reviews as well. With Lost as well as with Mac I think people need to chill out and be happy with what they have rather than what they think they should have. Appreciate what we have now folks, its not going to last forever.

#136. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 16, 2007 3:00 PM

Here, Here, Crispy Seaplanes!!! You said exactly what I was thinking...Why can't we all just get along? :)

#137. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 16, 2007 3:05 PM

@gatorgal and jackie -- thanks for the pickup on the ouroboros. Looked it up on wiki, and it was nice to learn something new.

@batteriesincluded - great casimir effect explanation on last week's post. So many clues to time these last 2 weeks -- what are they trying to tell us? Sounds like maybe the island is a geographic/electomagnetic anomoly on earth, separated by an energy field, with possible variations in time speed.

Desmond's flash seemed so surreal.
It would be cruel if he were truly looping for eternity between turning the key, and falling off a ladder and wonking his head.

I'm not sure why, but after the show ended, I felt like the island was Hotel California. Not heaven, not hell/purgatory, but in between earth and after. As in "you can check out, but you can never leave", except for when you die on the island, then you go on to afterlife...

Also, when I saw the bottle of McCutcheon whiskey, I immediately thought maybe it had come off the sailboat Libby gave Desmond.

Wonder, what's with all the many wizard of oz tie-ins. Is Jacob the Wizard of Oz?

#138. Posted by: lostchao at February 16, 2007 3:41 PM

This has nothing to do with anything plot-wise. Although Claire was in this episode briefly, it did allow us to see her new haircut!

#139. Posted by: AmyK at February 16, 2007 3:50 PM

Maybe Ethan was sleeping with Rachel and that's how she got pregnant. Evil Ethan merely said, "yes Rachel, I'll be your sugar daddy. All you need to do is convince Juliet to come to the islands, mon."

→ Posted by: Mike L at February 15, 2007 03:57 PM

#140. Posted by: Mike L at February 16, 2007 3:53 PM

@ davidrh - Just Because - hmmm, a nice song title.

@ diggler - About Charlie, quite a character they are developing....steals baby in middle of night, abducts and hell, who knows possibly impregnates Sun and is Claire's #1 stalker counterbalanced by taking care of Ethan, saving Jack from collapsed cave and helping Frodo on his journey...what are we supposed to think of this tool? I hope he's offed...bah humbug.

@ adan - They've killed off some of the best characters (Boone? Eko?) yet they keep Charlie alive even though he is and has been the most annoying character in the series (you all know you agree)

@ gatorgal - re: Charlie

It seems as if quite a few of us are disgusted with Charlie. He seems like a little weasel. Personally, I will be pissed if he connects with Claire, what with stealing her baby and all. Perhaps Claire is hard-up, huh? The question is "how hard-up on a scale of 1 to 10 to cling on to Charlie?" Probably an eleven!!!

@ gatorgal - To the tune of Mr. Clean, join me is singing, "Mr. Grimm, Mr. Grimm, Mr. Grimm." Let's hope he is well and healthy and not laid up somewhere.

#141. Posted by: ButchM at February 16, 2007 4:09 PM

@ Crispy Seaplanes - I love this show and I'm going along for the ride until the end.

Aw sure, it's easy for you to say - you have a plane :>)

@ AmyK - astute observation

@Crispy Seaplanes and hookedonlost - I agree totally with you guys. I was disappointed when someone dissed mac about his reviews. Oersonally, I don't think they are any less in deatil at all. They are as good as ever.

#142. Posted by: ButchM at February 16, 2007 4:25 PM

Remember, not only did Dez and the other peeps get blown out of the hatch but so did the hatch door. Maybe the explosion blew out then collapsed. The show never let on to how deep the Magnetic force was, nor what was exactly surrounding it. So we know it could bring down a plane. I picture it something like a rubber band. The release of energy only to be brought back. So why did the door make it out, it was the farthest away from the magnet and beyond the hatch's "elasticity". Dez has some sort of dejavu kicking, but i think he was knocked out and relived the greatest mistake he feels he made in his life. I mean how long has he had to think about losing is one love. Quite a long time. I do think the writers of this show do a good job of leaving open ended solutions and questions. That is what makes it so interesting.

#143. Posted by: Max at February 16, 2007 5:40 PM

Yes, I noticed Claire's bangs trimmed. Maybe there is a plausible reason for everything like ABC claims. Maybe Desmond is scizophrenic (why doesn't this come with a spell check?) Perhaps he's conjured upthis island and met Libby and Desmond in the loony bin (excuse the politically incorrect term).

#144. Posted by: meg at February 16, 2007 6:22 PM

Am i the only one that noticed that the paint look freakyly like blood.(sorry, i just jumped when i saw that...)

I ont remember who said it but i agree with whoever said that everyone was eventualy goin to die.

Hey, what ever hapend to captions?
I'm bored without them...

The purpose of Charlie is to be totaly hot!!!
Desmond better keep saving Charlies ass long enough for him to cut off his ugly mullet and have his hotness restored...


#145. Posted by: Kaseygirl at February 16, 2007 6:57 PM

I say the fail-safe was actually "The Naked Bomb" same as in that bad Get Smart movie - that is why Des is sans clothes after the "explosion"!

#146. Posted by: Connie at February 16, 2007 7:07 PM

Was Penny's dad the same actor who play Daddy Meade on Ugly Betty?

@JackAttack - I'm sure a bevy of beauties will show sooner or later. I think there's a chunnel between the mainland and the island...

#147. Posted by: Connie at February 16, 2007 7:12 PM

To get to Narnia children travel to a parallel world through varying means, but they always return the same time they left. Could it be possible that Desmond's means to a different world is head trauma? He jumps to a future world (not time travel) when he falls while painting. He then returns from the future (again not time travel) when the hatch implodes, which happens to be the same time he left while painting. He then returns to the future parallel world when his head gets whacked by a cricket bat, and, note, no time has passed in the future world. When he recovers from the cricket bat hit he will have returned from the future world again, so we know he has been to the future at least one more time, which explains why he knows about Charlie.

#148. Posted by: Loz at February 17, 2007 12:04 AM

@ batteries not included: "Mr. Mephastopheles, I'm warning you!. You may hold dominion over the netherworld, but I run this courtroom!"

#149. Posted by: Diggler at February 17, 2007 1:20 AM

I KNEW IT! I didn't think that you sounded like the whiners on the Geicho commercials.

#150. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 17, 2007 9:30 AM

By the way, Mr. Mephastopheles, my batteries ARE included.

#151. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 17, 2007 9:32 AM

@gatorgal:

No, not all a dream, just this one episode. And not a dream in the plot resolution sense where the writers have written themselves into an impossible situation. Rather, a real dream in which all sorts of Desmond's past experiences are recast in a bizarre way. The episode seemed slightly fractured the way real dreams often are. More interesting might be that this is a dream in which clues hidden in Desmond's subconscious are dangled before us but not recognized by us or by Desmond. Desmond knows stuff because Penny, up there on the North Pole with her Russian (or whatever they were) scientists, were looking for him.

My current working hypothesis, which changes weekly, is that the island is accidently in the focus of some gravity waves, never seen but believed in, from the other end of the universe. Maybe they give rise to little gravity dust devils that pick people up and rip off their clothes and sometimes skin and throw them against trees. Maybe that wasn't magnetism we saw when the hatch was collapsing but gravity gone amok.

#152. Posted by: August Paul at February 17, 2007 10:02 AM

This is a far out idea, but may be worth a thought. Desmond is currently on his original thread or world (he is in the present), which he cannot change, according to the Oracle. But what if he can change things in the future world, (as he did by pressing the button) rather than the present world? So an escape scenario would be: Knock out Desmond to travel to the future where he can impact the future of all prior worlds.

#153. Posted by: Loz at February 17, 2007 12:42 PM

aww i dont want charlie to die. but i really just wanna know whats happening with kate, saywer and how jack is all on his own. and what do u mean by the McFly Maneuver. Good recap though (*.*)

#154. Posted by: hayley at February 17, 2007 3:38 PM

i think that when the hatch imploded it destroyed everything dharma in the swan hatch this would explain why desmond was naked because he was wearing a dharma jumpsuit

#155. Posted by: thomas elliott at February 18, 2007 7:35 PM

When Desmond woke up he was surrounded by items from the hatch, excersise bike, paint can, etc...

#156. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 18, 2007 8:01 PM

@Hayley - The "McFly manuver" is in reference to the Back to the Future movie.

#157. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 18, 2007 8:03 PM

@Hayley: to elaborate on Batteries Included's comment ... the "McFly Manuever" refers to Marty McFly's Achilles heel. Whenever someone called him a chicken, he'd be overtaken by an urge to beat that person into a frothy pile of pulp. -- mac

#158. Posted by: mac at February 18, 2007 8:26 PM

to Penfoe and everyone!!
i don´t remember if the name of libby`s husband was david (there must be a god point to chek), but, i think juliette´s siter is so alike libby´s face...
maybe there is a sign in this way... i don´t know... i hope someone coul bring us something to beleve!!!!!! i don´t undestand NOTHING!!!
(regards from Bs. As.)

#159. Posted by: Lady at February 18, 2007 9:01 PM

@Lady - i don´t undestand NOTHING!!! That is a double negative, so you know something. ;)

#160. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 18, 2007 9:09 PM

mac - Ijust boughtanother homecomputer because my spacebar isbroken(obviously), but itwon't accept anyofmyposts. whatshouldI do? I can't typelike this! I'll try again tomorrow beforeI trash this brokenpieceofjunk. but, everytimeItry tosubmitfromthe new oneit blocksme. Help!!

#161. Posted by: meg at February 18, 2007 9:27 PM

I didn't read all of the comments but there is a problem with Desmond's ability to see the "future". If he is seeing the future because he is reliving his past, every time he does something in the present that alters the future, he should NOT know what will happen next UNLESS he is continuously reliving this portion of his life over and over and over.

For example, he may have seen Charlie get hit by lightning so he could have prevented it. After preventing it, the new future of Charlie would not have been known so Desmond would have had no idea Charlie was going to drown saving Claire unless he went back and time yet again and had relived every moment again.

#162. Posted by: -KC at February 19, 2007 12:38 AM

Has anyone read J.W. Dunne's "an experiment with time"? His theory on dreams could fit desmond.

#163. Posted by: a robot by the river at February 19, 2007 12:52 AM

Desmond said when he turned the key his life flashed before his eyes. Maybe that included his past and his future. Don't you ever get "deja vu" moments? Maybe Desmond just gets more of them, and more intensely.
The producers did say the flashback sequence would be like none they had ever done before, or would ever do again. So, I agree with the above posters that the surreal flashback was all in Desmond's mind.
It was ironic, too, how they had Desmond trying to save Charlie on the same show he tries to choke Charlie to death...

#164. Posted by: lost chao at February 19, 2007 1:58 PM

All of these theories about time travel and reliving pasts etc... are starting to give me deja vu to all those headaches I've gotten while watching the Terminator movies and trying to understand how John Connor's father could have been from the future!

#165. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 19, 2007 2:40 PM

"But the sausage fest is soon interrupted by Des' new Spidey Sense."...Great one, Mac!


Mr Grimm???

#166. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at February 19, 2007 4:52 PM

Those of you who have explored the "Lost Experience" more, was there any experiments done with time travel, etc.? I am starting to buy into the fact that Desmond did experience sort of a dejaVu. He didn't really leave the island. The flashes of dejavu keep happening, and that's why he doesn't fully understand it. Most of us don't understand it when we have it, we just feel it. Yet, his are becoming more pronounced with time and he's actually able to recall specifics.

He wasn't really trying to kill Charlie; he just starting choking him when he was full of emotion. He isn't a killer, and he got a handle on himself quickly. (oh, he did kill someone but it was an accident)

#167. Posted by: meg at February 19, 2007 5:15 PM

Great recap Mac.
I thought this was an excellent ep & in my opinion we are only starting to scratch the islands surface. I thought Des was great.

1) Does anyone have any other login+password names for the Mittelos site?
2) Does anyone else think that the REST of the world...in LOST island time is now dead after the failsafe incident?? Remember Tom said that they have had no contact with the outside world since the sky went purple?? Perhaps all this time the main reason for the island is one that we have all missed...they really were there to keep the world from ending & now the hatch has imploded that means everyone including precious Penny is dead dead deadski.
Confusion up the yin yang Mac.
That's all from NZ.
Kate.

#168. Posted by: Kate at February 19, 2007 7:54 PM

@Kate

I don't think you need to worry about the rest of the world being dead following the failsafe incident. Recall that at the very, very end of season 2, after the hatch incident, somewhere in the coldest reaches, two Portuguese(?) scientists in a hut filled with instruments and survival gear, saw the signature of the magnetic anomaly and woke the faithful, true, strong, loving, stalwart, filthy rich Penny up in the middle of the night to tell her they had located it. She and the rest of the world live and I am putting my money on Penny to save the lot of them.

#169. Posted by: August Paul at February 20, 2007 10:20 AM

Are our intrepid story tellers playing with us? Henry Ian Cusick played Jesus in the film "Gospel of John." In lost he plays a man who sacrifices himself to save the world, is dead to the world for two days, but relives the hell of his former life in a dream/vision, and then is alive again with new powers. Our intrepid story tellers tell us that nothing in the production of this program is by accident.

#170. Posted by: August Paul at February 20, 2007 10:30 AM

@ Kate
Userid: jburke
Pswd: rachel

Enjoy!

#171. Posted by: Not_THAT_Alex at February 20, 2007 11:03 AM

Hmmm... if Desmond did *not* experience time travel, could his dreams / hallucinations have had something to do with those Dharma "shots" he was injecting himself with while he was holed up in the hatch?

I really hope that there is some semi-natural explanation for this. But his apparent ability to see into the future still bothers me.

#172. Posted by: Buck41 at February 20, 2007 4:20 PM

I do not expect the writers to tie all this up in package with a pretty red ribbon. I'm just along for the ride and the fantastic storytelling. Who cares if it can be "explained"? It's a TV show, people! It can be fantasy and reality woven together. I like that it's a labyrinth and just keeps getting freakier and freakier. I'm willing to think that Desmond did travel through time. And he has multiple iterations. That's why he knew of at least 2 instances where Charlie would be killed.

A few observations:
- Desmond's last name is Hume. Another important philosopher along the lines of Rousseau, Locke, etc.
- Loved that Charlie was singing "Wonderwall." "And maybe, you're gonna be the one that saves me..." (so clever)
- The ads around the soccer stadium. Brilliant!

One quibble:
When Desmond and Penny get their picture taken on the pier, does the photographer hand them 2 prints of the photo or just one? Because we've seen in 2 separate episodes where Desmond has a copy, and Penny has a copy of it as well. A small point, but something I noticed that bugged me.

I still love "Lost," LOVE Mac's posts and don't mind a bit that they are a little shorter. They still rock!

I enjoy this show for the character development and the storytelling. I don't care about Dharma, the monster, the hatches, etc.

#173. Posted by: Amanda S. at February 20, 2007 4:42 PM

Mac, continued thanks for your recaps. Always insightful and always make the connections to past episodes that I miss, even with Tivo. Your postings are a wonderful free service, and nobody has the right to object to what you put in or omit due to your own time constraints.

By the way, I have the answer to Lost for everyone who is wondering. The answer is...Lost is nothing more than a big virtual blender. The blender started empty in season one, and one or two original ideas and a bunch of filler (maybe it was tofu) were added and then the writers pressed the blend button.

But that wasn't enough to handle the demand, so in season two a whole bunch more tofu was added. In fact, and entire set of disposable cast members were added and blended into the mix.

Season three sees the pattern continuing. Answers are promised, but with every so-called answer, 3 or 4 more ingredients are tossed into the blender! Maybe there's still an original idea or two in there somewhere. But when the Wizard of Oz gets tossed in, you gotta figure they're running out of tofu.

To peer into the blender as it spins and try to reverse engineer the original ingredients or separate the original ideas from the tofu is close to futile. Better just to enjoy the kaleidoscope of pretty colors.

#174. Posted by: Darryl at February 20, 2007 6:42 PM

One thought:

If Charlie gets sizzled and dies (w/out Desmond) how could Desmond know he was going to drown? Shouldn't Chaaaarlie already be dead?

#175. Posted by: MrEko237 at February 21, 2007 10:35 AM

@meg

>Those of you who have explored the "Lost Experience" more, was there any experiments done with time travel, etc.?

There were no hints of time travel in the Lost Experience that I am aware of.

Elsewhere, I have recently seen speculation about the hatch and the button that might tie in, however. The speculation is that the Swan hatch guarded a mini-black hole. If so, that could explain a lot. Perhaps the black hole was unstable, either evaporating or slowly accumulating mass, and periodic (every 108 minutes, say) manual intervention was necessary to maintain its stability. And perhaps the fail-safe key caused the rapid evaporation of the black hole, to prevent it growing so large it escaped to absorb the earth - this evaporation would have been a large energy-release event, just as we saw. Thus both the 108-minute button push and the key-turn could be seen as "saving the earth". And the reason the key wasn't turned years ago was that doing so destroyed the black hole, making it no longer available for
whatever it's original purpose was.

For those who don't follow physics, Stephen Hawking has speculated that in the enormous temperatures and pressures of the big bang, 'mini black holes' could form, that were less massive than the 10+ solar masses that normally collapse to form black holes in the usual process today. And that these 'mini black holes' of say earth-mass could still be around today. Their event horizons would be of microscopic dimensions, but they could still be detected by their gravity.

A mini black hole would have to be suspended, magnetically, in a vacuum to prevent it accumulating mass and growing bigger until it could no longer be held.

Unfortunately for the SF writers (Larry Niven among them) who rushed to create story lines from this new phenomena, Hawking did some more thinking, and determined that there was a process by which black holes could evaporate - it involved spontaneous particle-pair creation near the event horizon, and that, over the 13 billion years since the big bang, all mini black holes would have evaporated, so they wouldn't be wandering around loose to gobble up planets or stars today.

Still, for story purposes, it could explain a lot of the events around the hatch if here was a harnessed black hole, created by advanced physics, and used for physical experiments, or possibly even as an advanced power source.

One of the possible uses of ultra-large masses, as speculated by Hawking, Forward and other physicists, is time travel. Is this where the writers are going? I have no idea, but it's fun to speculate.

#176. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 21, 2007 11:18 AM

@ Darryl -- yeah, kinda like a Roscharch ink blot test... What do YOU see? Wizard of Oz? Willie Wonka? Time travel? Astro physics? Tofu? Could be a really fun approach!

#177. Posted by: GatorGal at February 21, 2007 12:30 PM

Interesting how little people are blogging. I think that LOST is close to jumping the shark. Don't get me wrong, but they need to start clearing some things up. Each week they jump from one story to another. It's annoying. I hope the rumors that are flying around are true that there will be only one more season. This way they know they need to tie up this whole thing soon.

#178. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at February 21, 2007 3:12 PM

I respect all the folks who are excited to see the series (possibly) go in a more sci fi direction, but I would have preferred to see it stay on a more realisitic, if mysterious course. But to each his own. I've been a fan since Day One, so I'm hanging in. Mac, your reviews are superior to anyone else's on the 'Net. Anyone who doesn't appreciate them is welcome to do their own. If you were getting paid, that's one thing. You're a fan, just like all of us. As Hurley would say, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. Dude."

#179. Posted by: deeceegee at February 21, 2007 5:28 PM

Connie: Penny's Dad, Charles Widmore, is played by Alan Dale, well-known here in Australia (and the UK) for his 8 years as Jim Robinson on the long-running soap, Neighbours. And, yep, he's also Bradford Meade in Ugly Betty, as well as having played key roles in The OC, 24, NCIS, ER, and heaps of other serials and films.

#180. Posted by: Claire at February 21, 2007 7:05 PM

Have a great LOST everyone- See you tomorrow for another mind-bending, thought provoking, semi-question-answering, deep, and (a bit) silly re-cap & discussion of what I expect to be another fab episode.

#181. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at February 21, 2007 7:39 PM

Great review, made me laugh.

One idea for what Charlie has to offer on the Island is the fact that he's the only musician. Not exactly the best reason to keep him, but meh it's all I could think of.

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#192. Posted by: badoAbows at December 25, 2007 6:43 AM

3-8 - Flashes Before Your Eyes

Desmond sees the past,
The future - can he change it?
Else Charlie is dead.

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