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Key Points from "Stranger in a Strange Land"

Season 3, Episode 9
Episode Air Date: 02/21/07

Point 1
Jack

Juliet
The breathlessly overblown marketing for this episode claimed that three mysteries would be answered. As far as I can tell, those mysteries are:
  1. The origin/explanation of Jack's tattoos.
  2. The location of the Others' "home."
  3. The status of the kidnapped children.
I honestly don't know if these are the mysteries the marketers were referring to, so I'm going to get the accompanying revelations out of the way up front. (If I missed a mystery, please post it below.)

The Tattoo Revelation: "Stranger in a Strange Land" focuses solely on Jack's Chinese character tattoo, not that "flying 5" thing on his upper shoulder. The episode reveals that Jack got the Chinese tattoo while vacationing/living/hiding in Phuket, Thailand (more on that in Key Point 2). Toward the end of the episode we learn that the tattoo characters translate to "He walks amongst up, but he is not one of us." Oddly enough, it's an homage to Gary Busey.

The "Others' Home" Revelation: We learn that the Others do not live on Alcatraz island; they simply work there (work = moving rocks and incarcerating castaways). There's a possibility that the Others actually reside on the castaways' island, but that conclusion is a little flimsy and remains open for considerable debate.

The Kids Revelation: Way back in "The Other 48 Days" we saw that the Others snatched two kids from among the Tailie survivors and in "... And Found Jin and Eko encountered that infamous teddy bear. The kids have been MIA ever since, but in "Stranger in a Strange Land" we finally discover that the kids are alive, healthy, and in the early stages of Yothersesque puberty. Granted, we still don't know where the kids are living, what's happening to them, or how they fit into the Others' society, but we can confirm that their organs haven't been harvested by Dharma, nor did they meet an untimely end in a polar bear den.

With the mystery stuff out of the way, let's get recappin'.

The episode begins with a prisoner exchange. Zeke -- henceforth referred to as "Tom" because it seems silly to still call him Zeke -- transfers Jack to a minimum security polar bear cell because the Others have a far more dangerous inmate to incarcerate in the Fox River Aquarium: Juliet. Good ol' Jules put herself in a wee pickle when she plugged Danny Pickett full of bullets back in "Not in Portland," and now she's doing hard time in the dolphin hoosegow while the Others deliberate her punishment.

Jack spends a significant portion of this episode sitting in carnal dirt holes kicked up during Kate and Sawyer's sex session -- a session that Jack witnessed thanks to the closed-circuit TV camera monitoring the grounds. He's thrilled, no doubt.

Jack's mind is soon diverted by the surprise appearance of Juliet. She's received a furlough to tend to Ben's post-operative wounds, and she's already encountered a major problem: bacteria are playing lawn darts on Ben's gash and Ben's prognosis is iffy at best. So Jules consults with Dr. Jack and asks him to help Ben as a "personal favor." Jack's eyes go beady as he hoists himself up onto a high horse and denies Juliet's request. Defeated, Jules retreat to the aquarium cell to watch highlights from the 2004 World Series. (Go Sox!)

Later that night, a freaky blonde woman appears outside Jack's cage and speaks Chinese. Really. She spots Jack's tattoo and "reads" it, then asks if he knows what it means. Jack claims he does and the woman suggests that maybe he doesn't and then Jack gets all indignant because no one puts Jack in a corner.

It turns out that the woman's name is Isabel, and she's the Others' version of "The Law." Isabel -- don't call her Izzy -- takes Jack from his cage and guides him to a nondescript Other office where Juliet (shackled) and Tom (bedheaded) are seated.

Isabel fancies herself an interrogator, and she believes she's got Juliet pinned for conspiracy and lasciviousness and general badness -- but she wants Jack to confirm one vital point: Did Juliet ask Jack to kill Ben?

Jack doesn't answer.

Isabel moves from behind her desk all dramatic-like and repeats the question. A geyser of self-righteousness erupts in Jack. His eyes glint and he shakes his head. Of course Juliet didn't ask him to kill Ben, he guffaws.

Um, what's that, Jack?

Jack continues, claiming he made up the entire story in an attempt to spread chaos among the Others and, by extension, increase the odds that Kate and Sawyer could escape.

Juliet casts a sidelong glance at Jack then quickly snaps her eyes forward. Her relationship with Jack just got very interesting.

Isabel tries to squeeze Jack, but her "bad cop" act is weak and Jack easily deflects the pressure. He's beaten her and he -- and she -- knows it. There's nothing left to do but return Jack to his bear cage.

The next morning, Jack experiences a bizarre wake-up call. As he groggily stirs, he sees that a crowd of Izod-clad surburbanites is milling outside his cell, sipping mimosas and discussing the merits of Roth IRAs.

An aggressive Yuppie female approaches Jack's cell. He scrunches his brow and a flicker of recognition passes over his face. Is that ... Cindy? Cindy the Oceanic stewardess?!?

Criminy! It is Cindy! Jack's flabbergasted, and rightfully so. He last saw Cindy while Oceanic 815 was still in the air. We last saw her in the closing moments of "Abandoned" when she was mysteriously plucked by the Others moments before Ana-Lucia shot Shannon.

Questions race through Jack's mind: What happened to Cindy? Who are these Yuppies? And, most importantly, why the hell are they standing outside his cell?

Jack's exchange with Cindy is intensely frustrating. When he peppers her with questions, she responds like a presidential staffer in a leak investigation: non-denial denials and ambiguous non-answers are all she offers -- we learn nothing from her. And it gets worse when the two abducted Tailie children suddenly appear next to her! Where did they come from? How'd they get there? Who's tending to these kids? And why have they aged so quickly?

The sole "answer" Cindy offers isn't an answer at all. She tells Jack that she and her Yuppie pack have dropped in to "watch."

Watch? Watch what? For the love of God, Cindy, WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING!

Jack goes Hulk. The vein in his forehead pulses and electric bolts spark from his 8-day stubble. He tells Cindy that if she's got something to watch, she should go watch it. As bits of spittle settle on Cindy's face, she realizes it's time to round up the kids and go.

And with that, Cindy's Useless Scene comes to an end.

Fortunately, Alex soon appears to shed some much-needed light on the proceedings. Using her Rousseauian aim, she knocks out the closed-circuit camera with a rock, thereby allowing she and Jack to converse in private. She then tells Jack that the Yuppie crowd has assembled for Juliet's trial ... and the outlook is grim because the Others believe in frontier justice.

Jack hatches a Juliet Rescue Plan in record time (it literally takes him two seconds). He convinces Alex to take him to Ben's recovery room. Once inside the room, Jack examines Ben's nasty wound (it might as well have maggots squirming up through the stitches) and delivers a diagnosis/ultimatum: Jack will tend to Ben's wound and act as his PCP if Ben spares Juliet's life.

Ben reluctantly agrees. He writes out acquittal instructions on a sheet of paper and tells Alex to deliver the message to Isabel.

Alex and Jack rush to the courtroom and pass along Ben's decree. Isabel is clearly pissed -- she had big plans for Juliet's taxidermied head -- but there's one bit of news that perks Isabel up: Ben says Juliet must be "marked."

Uh ...

The Others' system of justice appears to be grounded in orthdox Puritanical law, because Juliet later appears at Jack's cell with a starburst symbol branded into her lower back. They "marked" her like a cow.

Juliet, who now appears to be free, shows her wound to Jack and he immediately instructs Juliet to crack off a piece of a nearby aloe plant (conveniently growing near his cell). The two share a sexually-charged finger graze as Jack slathers aloe goop over Juliet's soft and supple lumbar region.

And this is when Jack and Juliet forge an alliance that could bring the Others' universe tumbling down. Jack tells Juliet that Ben said both of them could go home, and with Juliet's help, he aims to make Ben keep those promises. Juliet looks skyward and daydreams about Ben's demise. Ahhhhh.

In the final moments of the episode, the entire Other clan assembles on the shores of Alcatraz Bay. Kate and Sawyer know where the Others are located, so Ben and his cronies have decided to high-tail it back to their "home" with the assitance of a motor-powered boat (it's a vessel we haven't seen before, and it's considerably larger than the motorboat Michael and Walt were given).

On the shore, Ben is loaded up on a gurney and tended to like Michael Jackson (Tom kneels nearby, holding an umbrella over Ben while caressing his forehead with tender Otherness). Isabel appears and decides -- out of the blue -- to fully translate Jack's tattoo.

"He walks amonst us, but he is not one of us," Isabel rasps. "That's what your tattoos say."

Jack turns and glares at his burgeoning adversary. "That's what they say, but that's not what they mean," he quips semantically.

And with that, the Other crew is off!

Later, as the sun sets and the motorboat slices through the dark waters, Jack joins Juliet on the bow of the boat and the two share a knowing glance in the moonlight.

"We are gonna kick ... Ben's ... ass ..."

And that's when it ends.

Point 2
Jack Jack's backstory is officially tapped. We've now seen the genesis of every major facet of Jack's personality, and I have no idea what the producers are going to use in future Jack-centric flashbacks (Watch Jack golf! See Jack sleep!). I suppose they could revisit the whole "Is Claire Jack's sister" thing, but beyond that, what do they have?

Anyway, the backstory in "Stranger in a Strange" land reveals the following about Jack:

  • He spent a considerable amount of time living in a beachside shanty in Phuket, Thailand.
  • A woman named Achara (played by professional exhibitionist Bai Ling) was Jack's companion during much of his Phuket experience. Achara is one of those mysterious people you see in TV shows but never meet in real life because people like this don't exist. Over the course of their month-plus relationship, Achara continually refuses to divulge any information about herself. Jack now has a raging case of The Clap.
  • Achara's mysterious ways prompt Jack to follow/stalk her to her place of business, where he discovers that she's ... [DRAMATIC BASSLINE] ... a tattoo artist. Uhhhh. Well, that's not entirely correct. She claims she can "see" the true essence of people, and she then uses her tattoo skills to "mark" these gullible folks (Get it? Jack and Juliet are both marked -- if that's not a foundation for a relationship, I don't know what is).

    For some reason, Achara's revelation causes Jack to flip out and he demands that Achara "see" him and then "mark" him. So, with her lip quivering, Achara tells Jack that he's a born leader and a great man, but these qualities also make him lonely and frightened.

    Wow. How probing. Next she'll tell him he's got Daddy issues.

    Achara then tattoos Chinese symbols into Jack's arm and warns him that his actions will have repercussions. Jack thinks Achara is kidding, but years later a Chinese linguist will reveal the true meaning of his tattoo:
    "Jack ♥ Chachi." (Isabel was wrong.)

  • Shortly thereafter, Achara's repercussions come to pass. Jack is met on the beach by Achara's brother and an assortment of motley characters, and the group proceeds to kick the crap out of Jack. At the conclusion of the beatdown, Achara's brother instructs Jack to leave the country. Presumably, he does.
And that's that on the backstory front.
Point 3
Kate

Sawyer
As often happens when two screwed-up people release their pent-up sexual energy, Kate and Sawyer are now at each others' throats. Their bickering begins early on when Kate insists that they return to Alcatraz to rescue Jack. Sawyer refuses to help, wisely noting that a disorganized assault would only result in dismemberment and/or death. Kate pouts.

Later, Kate, Sawyer and their new pal Karl reach the big island's shoreline and prepare to make camp. Karl is feeling much better now that the remnants of "Not in Portland's" extreme psychotherapy session are fading. During a quiet moment, Kate attempts to question Karl about the Others, and it's at this point I wished the castaway roster included a skilled lawyer who knows how to ask questions. But nooo. For the 8,000th time, a castaway blows an opportunity to get some friggin' answers.

Case in point: Kate asks Karl what the Others have done with all the kids they've scooped up and Karl responds in typical Other fashion: "They've been given a better life" (I'm paraphrasing). It's one of those open-ended answers that, in real life, is followed by a barrage of secondary questions and/or a punch in the mouth. But Kate lets the issue drop. She doesn't ask Karl to elaborate. She doesn't threaten him with bodily harm if he doesn't elaborate. She just forgets about the whole damn thing. It's infuriating.

The remainder of the Kate-Sawyer-Karl storyline is uneventful, save for three small things:

  1. Karl offers a few revelations about the Others' society. He claims they live on the castaways' island (I'm not sure if that's true or not); he says they have homes with backyards; and he reveals that the Others' pop culture reference points are sorely lacking (Sawyer calls Karl "Bobby," but Karl's never seen the "Brady Bunch").
  2. Sawyer convinces Karl to find and save Alex, which means we're not going to see Karl for a while.
  3. Kate and Sawyer's sniping is driven by Kate's guilt over sleeping with Sawyer. We know this because Sawyer says as much in a final scene. We also know that a Kate-Sawyer relationship has the lifespan of microwaved cottage cheese.

Point 4
Island And finally, a few closing points/questions
  • My favorite exchange from this episode:

    Jack: "I'd be much more impressed with you people if you had a good surgeon."

    Ben: "We had an excellent surgeon, Jack. His name was Ethan."

  • My recaps have been a little cranky lately, and I finally figured out why: I'm tired of being wrong. (Feel free to jump ahead ... this next bit isn't all that exciting).

    See, I've been the first on board when the writers introduced plot threads like the Tailies, the Oceanic "army," and Sawyer's power play. And in each of those cases I believed the new plot represented a game changer for the series. But then ... nothing. The Tailies dropped like flies, the army became an afterthought and Sawyer's power lasted for one lousy episode. I was wrong every time.

    So now I'm gun shy when the writers introduce new "game changers" such as the Others' society and Desmond's precognitive abilities. I like these plotlines and I think they hold great promise, but I can't embrace the potential influence of these storylines with the same gusto I once had.

    But I'm going to make one exception ...

    I think the Jack-Juliet relationship could be HUGELY important. If Juliet proves to be an ally -- and not a diabolical Harpy -- her assistance could help Jack and the castaways transition from passivity to action, which would be a welcome shift. Consider this: the castaways have been on this island for three-plus months, and during that time they've been mucking about in "Myst"-like mystery. The ambiguity was fine for the first two seasons as the "Lost" roller coaster cranked to the peak of its first hill, but now, something has to happen. The "Lost" coaster needs to pick up speed, and I think the Jack-Juliet combo can be a vital catalyst. If the castaways have a guide -- someone who knows what's going on, where it's going on, and why it's going on -- they could become participants instead of powerless victims. They could finally change something.

    I just hope I'm not wrong this time.

  • I poked fun at the show's marketing at the beginning of this episode, but I want to make it clear that I in no way pin the failings of the marketing department on the "Lost" crew. Marketers love to hype the hell out of every little development, and I'm sure the "Lost" producers cringe every time ABC whips out another one of those "All the answers come tonight, so don't ... even ... blink" ads.

    Incidentally, ABC's marketing fluff ranks a distant second to the bombastic nonsense NBC attaches to "Heroes. That "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" idiocy was the non-event of the TV season.

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Tricia Tanaka Is Dead" -- Hurley finds an old car (no joke), Sawyer and Kate finally make it back to camp, and some chick named Tricia bites it. Airs Wednesday, Feb. 28, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on February 22, 2007 11:20 AM |




First comment!! Great episode and great review mac!

#1. Posted by: nina at February 22, 2007 11:26 AM

So...Juliet has a Tramp Stamp.

#2. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 11:30 AM

IMO it's official - Mac's blog got the shout-out at the beginning of the ep when Sawyer was singing "Show me the way to go home." Shaw, Dreyfuss, and Scheider were singing that in Jaws from which comes the (quasi-official Mac's Lost Blog motto) uber-famous, "We're gonna need a bigger boat." How friggin' cool is that? (Even if it's just a coincidence I don't care - WTG, Mac!)

I agree that they've not really answered the question of Jack's tat's. "He walks among us but he isn't one of us." "That's what it says but that's not what it means." (Gary Busey - that's great.) What the hell does it mean? It woulda been very cool to see Sawyer walking around somewhere in the background of Jack's flashback as he seemed to have spent some time in Phuket too.

And who the hell is Sheriff Isabel? Other than being subordinate to Ben and being able to read Thai, she pretty much came outta nowhere. And do we know the symbolic significance of Juliet's "starburst " brand? I guess it's a helluva lot sexier than a scarlet M on her forehead. (On the whole, I'm guessing she'd rather be in Portland.)

So when Carl (aka "Bobby", "You've never seen the Brady Bunch?" Hmmmmm…I guess electro-magnetically volatile multi-verse nexuses don't get very good TV reception tells Sawyer that they steal the children to give them a better life, wouldn't that have been a real good time for Sawyer to ask, "Oh yeah? How do you do that?"

Re. Cindy the Stew (sorry, Flight Attendant) and those kids - the camera settled on their faces for quite a while so I'm gonna bet those were the same actors from 2-3 years ago. The girl asked about Ana-Lucia, but I think, much like Mozart, she's decomposing. The boy even had the familiar raggedy teddy bear (or should I say Ursus Theodorus?) that we saw being dragged through the jungle. But at least they had shoes and full bellies and shampoo, so maybe they do have a better life (better than Kate's anyway).

And all the "Izod-clad surburbanites" traipsing by to cop a look at Jack in his cage - that was definitely a Roddy McDowell/Twilight Zone moment.

Anyway, who's keeping score on the bumping of the nasty's? Jack's mystic tattoo artist/voodoo priestess flashback hook-up should count. I say chalk one up in the Jack column.

It's times like this I really miss Paolo and Nikki...

#3. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 22, 2007 11:34 AM

Yeah, i think ABC needs to change their marketing aims a bit. I dont think there is anybody who was really THAT interested in how Jack got his tats... but maybe thats just me.

As far as i saw no REAL answers were given. All you really know is the kids werent taken for their delicious brains.

#4. Posted by: JB at February 22, 2007 11:36 AM

Good post, and good forecasting. I think LOST in the long run will be about the Jack/Locke Dynamic. Who leads who, and who's philosophy wins out. Jack now has an ally that may tip the balance in his direction, and Locke may or may not have Desmond with the futuristic flashes.

If there are two sides to this story, it isn't Losties/Others, it is Jackites and Lockeists.

#5. Posted by: Jon at February 22, 2007 11:47 AM

Mac:
Your ever increasing impatience with this show is certainly merited. I mean really, what answers did we get from this episode? Having Jack do the horizontal mambo with a "gifted" oriental woman? A tattoo with a secret, double meaning? Actually, the tattoo reads "I hate Thai people, I'm Thaimophobic" which explains why the Tim Hardaway wannabees beat the crap out of Jack on the beach! I am the only one in my home that still watches Lost "live", the other 3 roommates have longed since relegated it to Tivo only status. To the producers of Lost: to many blind alleys leading to no where. I know you need to keep this thing going, but "really people, throw me a bone here!"

#6. Posted by: RC at February 22, 2007 11:48 AM

DO Sherrif Isabelle and "Myterious Mother Time"/the Oracle lady bear a striking resemblance to each other or is it just me? At first, I thought it was the same exact lady....

#7. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 11:49 AM

"Big plans for Juliet's taxidermied head"...and..."lifespan of microwaved cottage cheese" just prove that this was another GAFRAM! And delivered before noon EST. You da man.

I was really hoping they'd expand the interrogation scene with Tom, Juliet, and Jack. It just felt very abbreviated, and Isabel should've pressed Jack harder about lying for Juliet. How did she know? I just felt that scene could've played out differently.

Oh man do I agree on the total uselessness of the Cindy scene. So frustrating. And just like the Kate/Karl dialog, another opportunity for a Lostie to get some better answers was just wasted. Why would Jack want to send her away so quickly when she could fill him in on so much? Sure he felt like an animal in a zoo, but be rational and press Cindy for more detailed answers for god-sakes!

Just based on the aerial shot at the opening of Season 3 when we saw the Others' "home", it clearly looks like Karl is telling the truth about them living on the same island as the Losties. Same island where the plane sections crashed appeared to be where Other-Town is.

Incidentally, why would Ben send such a valuable person (gifted surgeon Ethan) to do the Lost infiltration? Seems like some other Other underling could've done it.

#8. Posted by: JoePike at February 22, 2007 12:18 PM

After last week's episode, I was pretty bored watching this one. The Juliette-Jack moments were by far the highlights...although Alex is proving to become a character-to-watch.

I felt so sad for Sawyer; Kate had such regret for the pity-sex and poor Sawyer knows it.

@Ransomjack
...The second I heard Sawyer singing "Show me the way to go home" I instantly thought of MAC's WGNABB infamous quote. Awesome!

The preview for next week looks great- looking forward to being better entertained than last night!

DCHI (don't call her Izzy)

#9. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at February 22, 2007 12:19 PM

I don't see why the skepticism over the home of the Others.

Think back to the begining of season 2 when we see the the plane breaking apart over the island. Ben tells Ethan and the other guy to run to the wreckage.

Unless these guys walk on water, the previous episode pretty much explicitly shows us that they live on the same island.

#10. Posted by: Angel at February 22, 2007 12:22 PM

Great review again....Mac's frustration level is at an all-time high it appears. Fact is, they can spend the entire episode having Kate talk with Hot Carl and have the entire other's plotline explained....but last night's episode would have been the season finale, fast forward to next season. I am just enjoying the story...I do want more answers...but I just trust that the dots will be connected by the series finale. That is all I'm asking...if there are interesting stories sprinkled in that add some flavor that eventually lead nowhere...I'm cool. I am already dreading the day when Lost is no longer on.

#11. Posted by: Diggler at February 22, 2007 12:23 PM

Thanks for the recap, Mac. I needed to be reminded about the surgeon/Ethan comment that Ben made. I swear, at some point they're going to get Charlie for shooting Ethan! They can't be happy about that!

Anyway, I think it was a funky episode.

To me, LOST is walking a tightrope these days. They don't want to be accused of being a "tease". At some point they're going to have to "put out". I like mystery as much as anyone else. But, it's time for some focus!

Does anyone else think that this third season is a bit unfocused? They're wrapping up storylines (Ecko) and introducing new ones (Alcatraz island, Patchie) ... I just don't get where they're going with all this.

And Jack is a troubled leader? Duh!

I see the writers setting Jack up for something, but it's so unclear. Is he a savior? Gifted? Special?

And the cryptic answers ... "They're better off..." etc. ....

I love LOST a lot, and am dedicated as ever.

To me, though, these last two episodes have been challenging. I'm not sure my brain is accepting new data very well -- it's still trying to figure out what the LOST folks have already told us.

I'll keep coming back.

#12. Posted by: Matt at February 22, 2007 12:24 PM

I thought Ben's comments to Jack about Juliet really not caring about him and about truly being one of them (an Other) were interesting. Makes me wonder about where they're going to take the Juliet character in the future. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up doing some major Jack-betrayal.

#13. Posted by: JoePike at February 22, 2007 12:26 PM

Isabel was played by Diana Scarwid. The shop owner (Mrs. Hawkings) was played by Fionnula Flanagan.

#14. Posted by: Frank R. at February 22, 2007 12:30 PM

Agree that this ep was a bit of a disappointment. It *is* a struggle to come up with the 3 reveals that justify the ads. It's a real stretch to call the confirmation that the Others live on the main island a revelation. It's not as if that info wasn't given before. Ditto that the kids are alive and part of the Other community. We saw that with our own eyes before.

Looks like I'm forced to shelve my prior speculation that Jack's Phukett connection and tats are connected with/hints of a prior life in the military. I still think that would have been more interesting than what we got. Ah well.

Pretty thin gruel by any standards. The Kate/Sawyer segments had no plot or character develpment value. The flashback presented a single data point which did not even rise to the level of a fact. The Jack/Other segments advanced plot, but in an undiscernable direction. It's hard to find things to talk about in this.

#15. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 22, 2007 12:34 PM

I think the Others are a religious cult and Ben is the leader and has mind control over everyone except for a few - Juliet, the losties, a few others.

Thus the reference from Juliet in the season opener to Ben and free will. It seems that there is some messianic, anti-christ thing going on. Juliet is known for impregnating male mice and others who are not able to concieve.

Could Ben be trying to usher in the anti-christ thru a virgin birth - like having Juliet impregnate Alex so that he would become "God" (but he's really Satan of course) Is this why Ben does not want Karl anywhere near Alex to keep her a virgin for the opportune time?

Also, the "he walks amongst us" references have been used to refer to devilish beings as well as divine - a google search brings up both.

Perhaps the island(s) are slices of Hell - literally... and world domination and deception are in the throws of planning by a small, yet powerful bunch of demons.

#16. Posted by: Tim at February 22, 2007 12:42 PM

Can somebody tell me what the Gary Busey reference is to? My googling is coming up as empty as my pop culture trivia memory file on this one.

#17. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 22, 2007 12:47 PM


Well, after two weeks of episodes that really stirred the senses and got your noggin steamed, this week we are treated to . . . well, Kate and Sawyer, Kate and Jack, Jack and Juliette, Jack and Achara, and Karl and Alex. Was this show supposed to have been aired on Valentine’s Day? I was waiting for the e-harmony doctor-guy to pop up with compatibility tests for everyone! We’re going to need a bigger LUV-BOAT!

I must admit, I was hoping for a “grander translation” of Jack’s tats, but surely, the writers mean to introduce that phrase in order to expand Jack’s transformation into an true Che-Guerilla-Resistance-fighter-extrodinaire in upcoming episodes. . . .

The other obviously explanation to his tattoos is . . . well, let’s face it. After his month-long tryst with Thai-Hottie, Jack DIDN’T REALLY CARE what she wrote on his arm. He’s lucky not to have the entire Thai constitution with a list of past presidents scripted into his epidermis!

I was trolling around the internet this morning looking in on various LOST sites and found an interesting post from an anonymous blogger. This person wrote: “For what it's worth, I thought Tom was the most interesting part of the episode. I feel like he's either bursting with things to tell Jack, or he's not bright enough to keep them in. In any case, he definitely seems different from the rest of the others and I'm waiting to see him more.”

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Zeke/Tom seems to be one of those peripheral characters that has the potential of being a pivotal character in later episodes. I waiting to see if that happens.

MAC: Later, as the sun sets and the motorboat slices through the dark waters, Jack joins Juliet on the bow of the boat and the two share a knowing glance in the moonlight.

However, we need to recall that earlier in the episode, Ben says, "She is one of us and doesn't care about you". Ben doesn’t say much that doesn’t come true in the end . . .

And one thing is for certain, our little castaways have lost their total ability to ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS!!!! Or FOLLOW UP!!!!!

Of course, this is not “Perry Mason” we’re watching.

Nice recap, MAC. Looking forward to reading the bloggers today.

Best line of the night? Sawyer: “You’ve got backyards?!?”


#18. Posted by: Davidrh at February 22, 2007 12:50 PM

Two comments:

1) Thanks for the great recaps/reviews/speculations!

) I'm taking a "puzzle" approach to the series. It seems that frustration/irritation/confusion is at its highest in the middle of putting a puzzle together. You have the pieces in front of you, some assembled, some upside down, and one or two on the floor. You know it will all come together but right now you want to throw it back in the box.

Let's hope the folks at Lost complete the outside of the puzzle so we can start filling in the middle.

Oh what the heck, one more comment. Here's a portion of the lyrics from Bob Dylan's "You're a Big Girl Now:"

"Time is a jet plane, it moves too fast
Oh, but what a shame if all we've shared can't last.
I can change, I swear, oh, oh,
See what you can do.
I can make it through,
You can make it too."

Maybe the next Dharma operative we'll see will be named Robert Zimmerman.

Thanks again!

#19. Posted by: Darthbeatle at February 22, 2007 12:51 PM

@DC: The Busey thing isn't based on anything specific, but for the last decade or so his behavior is right in line with "He walks amongst up, but he is not one of us." The guy is a freak show (as evidenced by his wrestling session with Howard Stern and a hilarious turn on "Entourage"). -- mac

#20. Posted by: mac at February 22, 2007 12:52 PM

Little help.....My friend told me that he saw evidence of the 'submarine' in this episode...he said in one scene you can see a 'large vessel' behind someone. He said you can't see the entire submarine, but it sure looked like it.

Anybody have any feedback on this?

#21. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 22, 2007 1:00 PM

After the show last night, the ad started with, "IF YOU MISS NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE..."

And my wife said, "You'll have to watch it the next week during American Idol!" ;)

#22. Posted by: Herobill at February 22, 2007 1:06 PM

It was a boat, not a sub. I was waiting for Jack to run up to the bow and pull a "Jack from Titanic" moment and proclaim that he is on top of the world.

#23. Posted by: Gerard at February 22, 2007 1:08 PM

Another great nickname from Sawyer:
Sally slingshot

#24. Posted by: Hanson at February 22, 2007 1:09 PM

Ben promised Juliet that she could go home. When asked what Othersville is called, Juliet said that Ben calls it home. Soooo, did Ben promise Juliet that she could go home (Miami) or home (Othersville)?

Remember that the others are said to not like Hydra island and all were excited to get to go back "home". But would getting to go to Othersville be enough to motivate Juliet to kill? Probably not. Getting to go back to Miami? Probably.

It's an interesting thought that speaks to whether or not Juliet has a vested interest in the Other community. Is her motivation to leave the island altogether? Or is her interest in a power play for Othersville?


Obviously we are all asking, "What is the purpose of the mark that Juliet received?" One thing about it that caught my eye is that it is hidden. If you were going to mark someone wouldn't you mark them in a place that will be seen? Otherwise, what's the point?

#25. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 22, 2007 1:16 PM

My 2 pesos worth: I think the boat they left on is the same boat that destroyed the raft when they kidnapped Walt. There was a much bigger boat in the background though. I was thinking there were two different boats. The Others did tie up a watercraft to Desmond's sailboat. You can see the railings of both. Old WWII subs did have a similar railing, so was it a boat or a sub? I dunno, and would like other answers first anyway. I thought this epi was pretty lame, Sawyer does have a quick wit with nicknames. At least we are back on one island now.

#26. Posted by: onelostdude at February 22, 2007 1:24 PM

Ok, here’s my problem – If Achara is Thai, why is she tattooing in Chinese? (Although most Thais speak Chinese) Why cast Bai Ling? She’s just so... skanky. No Thai accent used, just her regular Chinese accent. And her wardrobe, no wonder Jack thought she was a ‘ho. There is no other Chinese actress out there to play the part?

I gotta say – I haven’t been able to see the characters on Jack’s tattoo, but I think there were about five characters and five Chinese characters do not equal the phrase "He walks among us but he isn't one of us.” That’s like Liz Lemon on 30 Rock speaking in German for about two minutes and the subtitle was “Yeah.”

I didn’t get why Cindy came here “to watch.” I thought that was weird and I didn’t connect that they were there for Juliet’s trial either. I thought it was The Others in that room.

Where have I seen Isabel before? Ah, she (the actress) was the homeowner on Prison Break when they went to dig up the money! She was talking like Ben Stein/Anna Nicole Smith throughout the episode. Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone? Do you like my body? Isabel reads Jack’s tattoo – but I guess she spoke in Thai because that was not the Chinese language (unless she just murdered it) but then she keeps referring to the Chinese language – major continuity problems here.

I thought this ep was bleh....

More storylines for Jack – he has a couple more tattoos we don’t know the origin of.

#27. Posted by: Connie at February 22, 2007 1:32 PM

Where can I see a preview for next week's episode? Anyone have a link?

#28. Posted by: S at February 22, 2007 1:33 PM

Bring back the old characters and stop introducing new ones.
For me and my friends that watch this religiously , the show is going downhill fast.

what happened to sayid and locke!
bring back the excitment of season one or stop the show this year.

#29. Posted by: Phil Zoop at February 22, 2007 1:34 PM

We think that one of the mysteries revealed in the episode was regarding Jack's preferences...and we found that out - - - He likes lunch 'Grilled, and with toothpicks'! lol

Thanks for the recap, mac.

#30. Posted by: JT at February 22, 2007 1:38 PM

I would not be surprised if Jack will eventually sacrifice his life for everyone else to get off the island at some point.


I am getting more frustrated with blown opportunities to ask questions. The opening scene was the first time someone has pointed out to the Others that some of the things they do don't appear to be "good". Can't someone just ask, "so what do we need to do to get along on this island?"

#31. Posted by: KL at February 22, 2007 1:39 PM

Wow. What a letdown after the last two "glimmer of hope" episodes.

Bai Ling? Really? Did none of the casting directors see "So you think you can sing?" (Insert repulsed shiver here.)

Ethan a surgeon? Really? I think the writers just made that one up. He was certainly NOT a doctor in the first season, infiltrating the camp, kidnapping Claire, hanging Charlie, killing Sceve, getting killed himself... No one would send a surgeon to do that. Ridiculous that they're trying to play that card now.

Jack shoos Cindy away? Really? You'd think he'd grab her by the lapels and beg her for answers. What are they doing here? What's been happening to her and the kids? What has she learned about these others? Is there contact with the outside world? What do you mean watching? It's complicated? YEAH, so start explaining!! Something, anything! One little thing!

Kate doesn't question Carl? Sawyer lets him go?? Really?? You'd think they'd be all over him demanding answers, asking pertinent follow up questions. This was one of many perfect opportunities for the writers to throw us a bone, even a little one. A first rate con man like Sawyer could weasel info out of weak confused Carl in less than a minute. It would have been better if Carl had run screaming into the night and "got away before being questioned" as opposed to just "letting him go, no questions asked." ugh.

Jack gets a Chinese language tattoo in Thailand from a weird Thai lady? Really? You'd think the message would be in Thai, since that's what "her people" were. They really missed the boat with this tattoo thing. Why wasn't she more compelling? Why wasn't she a full on fortune teller/ psychic witch woman who could see what will become of Jack? Why weren't Jack's tats more eye opening and future telling than what they gave us? He's a leader who's lonely and angry... we've known that for years.

An hour of precious story-telling time wasted. These people are paid BIG BUCKS and they have a huge audience hanging on their every word. They have enough mysteries that they can now wrap one up every week and STILL have enough to make it through the end of the series. This is what they give us? All that time and effort and money spent and this is what we get? A well of characters and mythology so deep and rich, so much to choose from and THIS IS WHAT WE GET? This is lazy writing

I think I may bow out and wait for the series to end, then watch it on DVD. This is excruciating.

Thanks for letting me vent.

#32. Posted by: aryastark at February 22, 2007 1:41 PM

MAC!!!! Mac ol' buddy. You got your groove back like Stella. Nice review. Honestly, a shotty episode as me and my friends agree, all the same it gave you more room to make material out of. You know the writers are going somewhere and in ten years it will all make sense, but for now we gots to wait. And Blog it out. Anyways great review, best review this season!!!

Here are my faorite MAC-isms:

Tom kneels nearby, holding an umbrella over Ben while caressing his forehead with tender Otherness

Using her Rousseauian aim, she knocks out the closed-circuit camera with a rock, thereby allowing she and Jack to converse in private

the tattoo characters translate to "He walks amongst up, but he is not one of us." Oddly enough, it's an homage to Gary Busey.

but years later a Chinese linguist will reveal the true meaning of his tattoo:
"Jack ♥ Chachi." (Isabel was wrong.)

#33. Posted by: Stephen at February 22, 2007 1:42 PM

"Achara is one of those mysterious people you see in TV shows but never meet in real life because people like this don't exist. Over the course of their month-plus relationship, Achara continually refuses to divulge any information about herself. Jack now has a raging case of The Clap."

Awesome. This is why I read this review.

#34. Posted by: fuber at February 22, 2007 1:58 PM

Juliet made it clear that 'home' to her means Miami when she said the place they were going to on the boat was what BEN calls home.

At some point when Jack realizes that neither he nor Juliet will get to leave Otherville and go home as Ben promised, he is going to go postal on Ben and so some serious damage. His plan is to stay close to Ben as his 'nursemaid' to be able to turn the screws if he has to.

#35. Posted by: JoePike at February 22, 2007 2:02 PM

I too thought I saw the sub. There was a quick scene towards the end of the ep of Alex standing in front it. It didn't look like the boat that the Others were using to get back to the big island.

#36. Posted by: Bullhauser at February 22, 2007 2:03 PM

@ Frank R -- thnaks for the response and for clarifying. Wonder if the fact that the two actresses look alike is by design and will come into play from a plaot perspective. Could Isabelle and Ors. hawking/Oracle be sisters?

@ JoePike -- yep. I think Juliet has betrayal covertly hidden in her new little tramp stamp!

#37. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 2:05 PM

@ Frank R -- thanks for the response and for clarifying. Wonder if the fact that the two actresses look alike is by design and will come into play from a plot perspective. Could Isabelle and Mrs. Hawking/Oracle be sisters?

@ JoePike -- yep. I think Juliet has betrayal covertly hidden in her new little tramp stamp!

#38. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 2:06 PM

@ Frank R -- thanks for the response and for clarifying. Wonder if the fact that the two actresses look alike is by design and will come into play from a plot perspective. Could Isabelle and Mrs. Hawking/Oracle be sisters?

@ JoePike -- yep. I think Juliet has betrayal covertly hidden in her new little tramp stamp!

#39. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 2:06 PM

Now I gotta go review my tape. I was pretty sleepy when I watched the show last night, but wasn't Ben being *rowed* back to the bIg island in a small boat with his stretcher laId across the gunwales, extending over the side of the boat on either side.

#40. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 22, 2007 2:07 PM

I'm not sure, but I could have sworn I saw a motorcycle jumping a Great White Shark in the background during the whole kite flying scene.

Ack! What are the show writers doing?!?!?!? They're killing the show with false promises, too many new characters, and dumb backstories.

Great work, Mac. I choked on my OJ this morning when I read that line about the clap. So much for fatherhood slowing you down and cutting back on your Lost time...

#41. Posted by: Rob at February 22, 2007 2:07 PM

hey does anyone speak Thai and can translate what that guy said to Achara at the restaurant when she received her "gift," which i presume was money for tattooing. thanks

#42. Posted by: matt at February 22, 2007 2:08 PM

Anyone know if isabel is the same woman who gave desmond the ring in the last episode? They look alot alike thats for sure.

#43. Posted by: Jimbo at February 22, 2007 2:10 PM

Scroll up a bit Jimbo...you'll see the answer!

#44. Posted by: JoePike at February 22, 2007 2:13 PM

Sorry! Didn't mean to triple post the same thing... my bad.

#45. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 2:20 PM

I think the Others home is on the main island since when the plane was coming down Ethan and Goodwin were dispatched and each said they could reach the sites within an hour. Goodwin was then fingered by Ana Lucia as not being wet which would be nearly impossible if he canoed to the Tailie crash site.

I believe Tom said that they only work on Alcatraz and don't like being there. Maybe because of their experiments? maybe they moved there after the deaths of Ethan and Goodwin because they couldn't afford to lose any more 'officers'. As for why they sent those two, Star Trek always sent off their second in command (Spock, Riker), their doctors, their engineers, etc. Never send redshirts to do an officers job!

What kind of expertise has Tom shown that would further the cause? He seems to have some sort of psychological training as he tries to comfort Kate in the shower room and before the Beach Party with Ben and Jack with a sandwich and in the surgery room.

#46. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 22, 2007 2:27 PM

ok first of all, mac, you are unbelievable. thank you again for the time and energy you put into this (esp w/ a little one running around).

now, i am a little disheartened with all the hating on this episode. everyone seems to be looking for instant gratification, which is not what this show is about. granted, last night wasn't the best ep ever, but it did raise some interesting questions which is what we all love about lost. have faith in the writers and creators, who were smart enough to create this show and continue it along such a compelling arc (also recall the terrible state of tv before lost, and be thankful). rant over, on to some theories.

like someone else above, i see jack and juliet playing a major role together in determining the outcome of the show. an overthrow of the others? a bringing together of the losties and the others? escape for some? i dont know, but the bond b/w jack and juliet that was solidified last night is going to play a major role i think

also like someone else above (i have no original thoughts), a showdown b/w jack and locke seems to be, not imminent, but definitely in the shows future. i think jacks tattoos and bai ling "seeing" that he is a leader is really important in that respect (even though everyone is hating on her, her "ability", and the tattoo). jack is a leader. locke is not. jack has spent his whole life fighting with the notion of being a leader. locke has spent his whole life trying to convince himself and others that he is a leader. here on the island they are both leading, but as the nerds say, there can be only one. i get the feeling our friend obi-locke is in for a major disappointment. as we learned in desmonds episode last week, the universe has a way of correcting itself and jack is meant to be the leader, not locke.

SSL, i wanted to get alot out there

#47. Posted by: bob d at February 22, 2007 2:28 PM

"A first rate con man like Sawyer could weasel info out of weak confused Carl in less than a minute."

Bullseye. But Sawyer's only a con man when they need to feed the deus ex machina.

The "Lost" folks regularly excuse their plot holes and pacing issues by saying their creation is, first and foremost, a character driven story. Yet, in order to keep from revealing us any useful information, the "Lost" writers have Sawyer veer w-a-a-a-a-y out of character in this scene.

With a vulnerable victim who possesses information of infinite value and who is emotionally ripe for a con sprawled out helpless in front of him, Sawyer suddenly shifts into goofy big brother mode, telling the kid to follow his heart, because love makes everything worth while. Off hand, I can't think of a less character driven way for Sawyer to have reacted. Like you, I was expecting Sawyer to start playing the kid like a fiddle. He's a disaffected member of a cult. The perfect mole/cats paw for those seeking an entre to infiltration of the group. So what does Sawyer do? Smacks him on the shoulder, tells him to 'cowboy up' and reassure him that love conquers all.

[Best Leonard Pinth Garnell voice]

Bad!! Awful!! Putrid!! Excreble!! Truly awful theater.

#48. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 22, 2007 2:37 PM

"You are a Leader, a great man, but this makes you Lonley and Frightened and Angry"...what Achara see's in Jack

Jack actualy wanted his arm to say this is the interesting part.

"He walks among us but is not one of us"...the actual Thia definition of the tattoo

How true both of these meaning are interest me greatly for some reason.

thanks for the review
always fun to read

#49. Posted by: Dakota at February 22, 2007 2:40 PM

@diggler...I am in agreement with you in your early post up there...if we got every answer to every question in one episode, we would be watching the finale. Was it the best episode I have ever seen of LOST? Nope, but I think the big mistake was in the marketing, not necessarily the episode itself. I know I definitely get caught up in being bloodthirsty and famished for LOST clues and answers sometimes as I sit and take my "nerd notes" during every episode, but sometimes I have to remind myself that it is also a television show that is good for just watching and ejoying too...

Even though the scene with Cindy was not the most revealing, nor did it live up to the intensity I was expecting, I think the IMPORTANCE in it is - hello - she and the children are STILL ALIVE (and in one piece for that matter...). I do think, in time, we will get all the info on just what "went down" when they were snatched. After all, they were all on that mysterious GOOD LIST right? Weren't Kate, Sawyer, and Jack all on that list too? Maybe their fate would have been to wind up in IZOD living the life on suburbia lane, manicured yards and all. It was their choice to escape - not that I would have made a different one - rather than wait it out to see what would happen to them...that is, after all the quarry moving, rabbit killing, strange injections, and all...

Shame on me for wholeheartedly believing Benry meant that "home" would be the good ol' U S of A and not the "home" he lives in on the island...maybe that's all Juliet longs for too...she seemed pretty well assimiliated in her place when we first met her. We don't know how she wound up on the island anyway...maybe she CHOSE to work for Mittlelos Bioscience, even if it meant going to the south pacific...

#50. Posted by: Vikki at February 22, 2007 2:44 PM

1. The origin/explanation of Jack's tattoos.
This was explained, albeit a bit obtuse.
2. The location of the Others' "home."
Simple. They live on the big island, and they have backyards.
3. The status of the kidnapped children.
"They have a better life" Not much of an explanion, but they did fulfill the three questions.

#51. Posted by: randy at February 22, 2007 2:53 PM

1. The origin/explanation of Jack's tattoos.
This was explained, albeit a bit obtuse.
2. The location of the Others' "home."
Simple. They live on the big island, and they have backyards.
3. The status of the kidnapped children.
"They have a better life" Not much of an explanation, but they did fulfill the three questions.

#52. Posted by: randy at February 22, 2007 2:53 PM

Hey Mac,

Great review as always. I haven't posted in a while, but I've kept up with your recaps. Gotta say - you nailed it when you said you'd been feeling cranky, it was coming through inyour recaps, but they are still informative and full of wit.

I have to say that I LOVE this show. I don't let the marketing campaign or the commercials of upcoming episodes affect me - mainly because LOST is the only show I watch on ABC so I never risk seeing an overhyped ad.

What I love about this show is the fact that the answers come slowly, and sometimes not at all. The show is a journey, knowing all the answers to every mystery is the destination. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Prepare yourselves for one sad fact - there may not be an answer for every single question raised on the show. The producers/creators have said in the past that there is no one unifying theory or answer for everything on the island and that some questions will never be answered.

On the epsiode - I thought it was pretty good and answered some questions. Jack's tattoos, from Thailand. Kids, alive and kicking. Othersville, back on the big isle. Simple answers that can now give everyone closure on the small mysteries.

I don't know much about Bai Ling, someone said she was a "skank". I thought she looked hot in the beach/kite scene - I was praying for a wardrobe malfunction. Hey - what can I say - I'm a guy.

Oh - someone said that the "mark" on Juliet was a sunburst - close, it was actually the HYDRA station logo. It's been in the background of alot of scenes taking place on Alcatraz Isle.

#53. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 2:54 PM

When Isabel said things can get
"Lost in translation"
that is what is going on with this whole season of lost.

Maybe alot of the things we have learned about the others have gotten lost in translation

#54. Posted by: Dakota at February 22, 2007 2:55 PM

One more thing Mac - keep your head up - your recaps are great, the show is great. Keep the faith Brotha'

#55. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 2:56 PM

This was probably the worst ep yet. What a yawn. It seemed they delibrately dragged out scenes to fill time. They should have thrown in a few tidbits of the other losties instead (I miss them)
I agree with the frustration of the non-questioning. The dialougue on this show is less believable than smoke monsters and polar bears. (Speaking of island animals ... where are the wild boars and the headache inducing frogs?)
But maybe we didn't hear everything that was said between Sawyer and Carl and the rest of their conversation will pop up later
The most interesting part of the whole show was Bai Ling's hair. Very cool .......

#56. Posted by: lostaddict at February 22, 2007 2:57 PM

I'd be willing to wager a dollar that we see Achara/Bai Ling in Sawyer's Thailand Adventure Flashback.

Maybe he has a tat that reads, "You are a wise and lonely con-man who will receive wicked smack-down at hands of Other and pity-sex in polar bear habit-trail. Always be true to yourself, Nickname-boy."

Did anybody else catch when Kate called him James? Methinks the post-coital cuddling is officially over.

#57. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 22, 2007 3:07 PM

I would like to comment on Jack. His character is without question a tragic hero, but recently we have started (or at least I have started) noticing a darker side to Jack. I have to say - I like it ! ! !

#58. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 3:12 PM

If you had just been branded on your back, would you be leaning back against the boat a la Juliet?

Soooo frustrated with this episode for so many reasons!

#59. Posted by: Jen in DC at February 22, 2007 3:16 PM

I just had a thought that I'd like to share with you folks and maybe get some feedback on.

The flashbacks that we see in each episode have in some way been tied to the events we see unfolding for that particular character in an episode. I posted a theory I found regarding the island having the ability to access all periods of time simultaneously. Does anyone think it's possible that the flashbacks we see are not the memories of the character as they struggle with a particular problem or confrontation, but rather the island accessing their pasts as it is relevant to what is happening to them on the island at a particular time?

#60. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 3:21 PM

@Davidrh: I agree about Tom. I think he is too good of a character not to want to do the 'right' thing and help Jack/Juliet at some future point when it comes to crunch time. And I am glad we are calling him Tom now. I didn't like the bad@ssedness of Zeke, warning about crossing lines, etc, but I think Tom is the bomb. He's funny, cool and easy-going. Much unlike the rest of the Others.

I am also liking me some little Alex. She is such a no-nonsense, pragmatic, rebellious little whipper-snapper. She clearly has clashed in major fashion with the "Other" lifestyle and may also hold the key (with Tom and Jules) for the 815ers leaving the island.

Finally, any more thought on the 'God loves Jacob' line? I know we've all thought about the Bible references and Ben's Koreshian/Jonesian control over the rest of the clan. Could Jacob refer to a superior of Benji's that we've not met yet? Any thing we might come up with would be pure speculation, but I wonder...

Thanks mac, love the blog. Still lovin' the show and praying it all comes together!

#61. Posted by: BELost at February 22, 2007 3:21 PM

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Thanks a lot! Now I'm going to have to spend the rest of the afternoon cleaning the coffee off my monitor and out of my keyboard! :-D)))

#62. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 22, 2007 3:39 PM

Did anyone catch what Ben's note said? I believe it was Isabell that read it and said something to the effect of, "...the rules do not apply to her..."

Does this refer to some code of conduct that the Others are to adhere to?

#63. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 22, 2007 3:40 PM

As far as Carl stating that the Children now have a "Better Life" and people being frustrated at that.... please remember the scene did continue- Sawyer says "Betther than what?" to which Carl replies "YOURS."

Isn't that enough? I mean, it really makes perfect sense- the Others have a village, but it is not huge, and there seems to be a lot of folks living there, but I'll bet they have some extra space. The plane crashes and there is upwards of 70 survivors, initially. They don't have space or resouces to help 70 people, so they scout out the survivors and choose the ones that would best compliment the current population. They wanted "Good" people, maybe people that will be easily manipulated into becoming Others themselves, people who have skills that no one in the commune has already, and children (any civilization without children would be strange indeed).

Anyway, I didn't find myself aggrevated at Carl's response, it made sense to me. And I think it must have made sense to Sawyer, too, becuase he knows first hand that the crash survivors haven't exactly had it easy, you know?

#64. Posted by: sarah c at February 22, 2007 3:43 PM

@sara c:

Well said. That's been my point all along in regards to the answers we get.

#65. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 3:53 PM

@Mr. Grimm - There is no way the brand on Juliet's lower back is the HYDRA station logo. I've checked it a few times. I've also been trying to find out if there is a back-meaning related to being branded by a 'sunburst' or 'asterisk'. No luck yet.

#66. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 22, 2007 3:55 PM

When Karl says they named a constellation Ursa Theodorus, could he have possibly been talking about Ursa Major or Minor and if so, would not that put them in the Northern Hemisphere?

We have this notion that the children have been kidnapped, but the children didn't "belong" to any of the crash survivors. If anything, it seems that the survivors have been abandoned as useless or undesirable (and according to their back stories, this might not be far off for some of them at least) and the children have been taken to the utopia that brooks no nonsense.

#67. Posted by: August Paul at February 22, 2007 4:11 PM

Here is my question: When the Others were gathering to go back "home", to what we presume is the Lostie island, was everyone going? We of course know that Ben and the crew were, but did they also pack up the kids, Cindy and the other IZOD clad folks that were gawking at Jack in his cage? The entire Others population travels between the islands when Ben and his crew have to work? Seems strange.

#68. Posted by: ND Fan at February 22, 2007 4:11 PM

Symbolism in Juliet's mark/brand/tramp stamp:

The symbol that Juliet was branded with is very similar to the cross of Scientology, turned upside down. Inverted crosses came about with St. Peter's crucifixion. He did not feel worthy of being crucified under the same cross as his messiah. It has since come to symbolize 'unworthiness' and as a mark of deep respect for your superiors.

Makes sense, huh? BTW, I take no credit for this discovery. Check out the revelation for yourself at losteastereggs.blogspot.com

One more thing, atchara (also sometimes referred to as atsara) is a dish of pickled green papaya! Yep. True. Bet we can all have a field day with that one!

#69. Posted by: GatorGal at February 22, 2007 4:17 PM

@Mhausen:

Trust me - it's the Hydra logo, or at least trust my HD DVR and HDTV.

@ND:

I don't think the entire population of Others travel to Alcatraz on a daily basis, only the ones that have a task to perform would travel there. The "Izod Clad" others probably just made that one day trip to 'observe' Juliets trial. Chances are they returned to Othersville that same day before the scene with Ben and Co. on the beach.

#70. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 4:20 PM

@Mhausen:

I took another look at a site that has a closeup of her "mark". It's the Hydra all right, a crude and simplistic representation of the hydra logo.

#71. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 4:24 PM

@Mr. Grimm: As usual, you make excellent points in regards to the overall entertainment value of the show. Even with the disparate storylines and the missteps it still *IS* one of the best shows on television. Week in and week out, it continues to feature moments that are hard to find elsewhere and it's rare when I see an episode that I don't like in some fashion.

If you'll all indulge me another moment of introspection ... (again, skip this stuff unless you're in desperate need of reading material):

Clearly, my crankiness about the show is misplaced. It's also divergent from my usual perspective on pop culture material. When it comes to this stuff, I typically approach it from a broad perspective that aims to keep the entertainment value in mind. But I think my week-after-week analysis of the show sometimes sends my perspective off-track, and I tend to take this show way too seriously. Of course, when the show was a critical darling and bringing in ungodly numbers of viewers, my pop culture pendulum swung toward effusive positivity. But now, it's swinging toward the negative end. Truth is, this stuff doesn't matter all that much and I shouldn't even *have* a metaphorical pendulum (that's just weird). To paraphrase "The Matrix" -- "There is no pendulum ..."

I also need to keep the marketing in perspective. I'm actually quite disappointed that I let this marketing stuff get to me since I've dealt with this nonsense for years and I know full well it's absolutely worthless. Hell, I doubt most of the marketers even watch the show ... so why am I allowing myself to be swayed and/or angered by it? It's all crap, and I need to keep that in mind the next time ABC bombards me with another "So good, it's orgasmic" campaign.

So, from hereon out, I'll do my best to keep the crank at bay and instead enjoy the show for what it is: a well-produced, often-engaging pop culture trifle. -- mac

#72. Posted by: mac at February 22, 2007 4:29 PM

Good point, Sarah C.

I think this episode answered those questions that have been mentioned, and we take them for granted because they confirm things we've suspected. If Cindy were a cyborg killing machine, or the Others lived on a spaceship or something, we'd be all abuzz. I suppose the above could still turn out to be true later.

One thing I'm hoping is that this episode is setting up an Other-free Hydra station to allow our merry band of castaways to go exploring in their quest to rescue Jack. I'm sure such a quest is imminent, given Kate's insistence and Locke's plan, so I am hoping they take their new boat, truck over to the Hydra and scope it out. Jack and co won't be there of course, but it'll hopefully allow some more question answering.

Also, as far as the how can Ethan be a surgeon, it's not implausible. A lot of surgeons are in good physical shape. He obvious has some training in hand-to-hand combat, he may be an ex-military doctor, maybe not, but surgeons can be very egotistical and ruthless in pursuit of a goal, so I see no problem with it.

Futhermore, one thing I haven't seen mentioned, I was watching the HD broadcast and in the tatoo parlor scene there was a whisp of "smoke" with an accompanying noise, that I tend to associate with the smoke monster on the island. Did anyone else notice this? was it on the HD broadcast only? check your Tivos (no DVR for me for a few months)...

As far as Carl's questioning, given the state he was found in, he made a miraculous recovery. If he had been any more useful to Kate and Sawyer in terms of reliable info, I think *that* would've been improbable.

SSL, it's been awhile.
bh

#73. Posted by: biohazard75 at February 22, 2007 4:31 PM

@Mr. Grimm - I personally think it looks like a 'simplistic representation' of a marijuana leaf. But that's just me.

I hope it is the HYDRA logo 'cause I'd be interested to see what that does mean. Is she forever relagated to that island where the HYDRA station is located? Is she now 'kavorka' (like Kramer) and all marine animals will be oddly attracted to her? The possibilities are endless!

#74. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 22, 2007 4:43 PM

@ Mr. Grimm- thanks for the input! I didn't really think they traveled there daily, but still weird that they would ALL travel there and back as a unit.

Anyway- it's been bugging me as to where I have seen Izzy before. I did some research and found that she was the actress that played the adult daughter (Christine)in Mommie Dearest.

#75. Posted by: ND Fan at February 22, 2007 4:46 PM

If the Others live on the main Lostie Island, that would explain how, at the beginning of Season 3, when the Others see Oceanic 815 crash, Ben instructs Gibson (was that his name?) and Ethan to run (not sail) off to the two separate crash sites to infiltrate the survivors.

#76. Posted by: Callan at February 22, 2007 4:52 PM

@Mhausen:

That would be interesting - LOL

@ND:

Now that is freaky.

#77. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 22, 2007 4:52 PM

sarah c... Thank you for explaining that finally... It made perfect sense to me. And I also thought it was pretty clear that the others DO indeed live on the Losties Island.

Am I the only one that thinks Jack is no longer concerned about the rest of the Losties. That's why he helped Sawyer and Kate escape. Jack doesn't want the others to use them to manipulate him at all. Like when Sawyer got "Picket's" gun only to see Juliet holding Kate to gun point.

I dont mind the new other characters; all the "other" actors play their characters very well I think. Im just glad to have made it 3 episodes w/out Nicki/Paulo. hate them.

To be honest, before season 3 started was hoping to see Sawyer, Jack and Kate escape together. Really just wanted to see Jack and Sawyer work together and go Commando on the others.

#78. Posted by: middies at February 22, 2007 5:07 PM

@aryastark...well put!

@mac...your crankiness is not misplaced. I think you're like me and are frustrated because you increasingly suspect that you're being played for a chump by buying into the promise that Lost put out but continues to shirk: some answers, for crying out loud!

That said, I continue to watch and try to just enjoy the show without getting too caught up in the existence of One Theory to Explain Them All. But I'm warning you, Lindelof and Cuse, I am NOT gonna ride this one in a downward spiral into the ground like I did with X-Files! That ought to get their attention.

BTW, mac, something you said in your recap caught my eye: you mentioned that the children from the tail section looked 2 years older. A light bulb went off over my head: perhaps that's part of the story, not just a continuity error in the series. That is, maybe the vaunted writers knew from the get-go that because the show storyline goes much slower than real world time, their child characters would appear obviously older. First time we noticed this was with Walt's scenes in the 2nd season. So maybe they wove this into the storyline and it ties in with the mention of the 20-something woman with the 70 year old uterus mentioned in Juliet's flashback.

#79. Posted by: Darryl at February 22, 2007 5:23 PM

Thought on the tats: (Forgive me if someone already posted this, I tried scrolling through and skimming all of the comments)

Thai chick saw his "true essence", maybe she saw more than the fact that he is a leader but that he would be a leader of the Other's. Jack does walk among them and yet he is not one of them, but he is slowly gaining power over the Others. He got Kate and Sawyer to be freed, and he got Ben to let Juilet live and now he is roaming around with more freedom. He's moving up.The meaning of the tat also holds true for his time spent in Phuket, he is sleeping with a native and living there, but he is not one of them. And now that he's infected one of their own (by forcing her to tell him about his meaning in life, he's gotta go. I don't know, I guess I feel like the Tat question got answered and it isn't so much of a mystery.

#80. Posted by: Stacey at February 22, 2007 5:28 PM

Did y'all google Bai Ling and read her ideas about sex? Mercy! She runs the gamut of emotions - from yes to yes.

Appears as if Jack will be safe amongst the Others as he is the only one who can take care of Benry. Just goes to show you - help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again.

@Mr. Grimm - good to have you back. You gotta read the tongue-in-cheek story about Smoky as you are a STAR in it. Counting "Stranger in a Strange Land" as the first item, it is the 12th item down on mac's blog site.

#81. Posted by: ButchM at February 22, 2007 5:56 PM

i think a big piece of info was given in this episode; the star that the two young love birds look at, at night. it cud give their real location right? any one up for some research?

#82. Posted by: Tony at February 22, 2007 6:06 PM

If the Others really thought they were good people and that they were bringing the children to a "better" life, how could they possibly think this rationally? Maybe they have all more luxuries then the losties: like nice houses, backyards, and they may even treat the kids nice in their weird other-loving way. But still, they must know they are taking the kids away from their parents or loved ones. Obviously this is not a "better" life thinking practically. Granted, Others obviously don't have to think rationally. Also, I'm not sure these kids we saw (the ones from the tailsection), did they lose their parents in the crash? Did the Others somehow know this, like when they compiled their list? But then what about Walt he had his father, but yet the others said he was 'special'? Anyway, just something to think about.

#83. Posted by: MattS at February 22, 2007 6:23 PM

Mac--as always--thanks!

As to the future of Jack...I agree with many ideas here that Jack may end up leading the others at some point. Is it possible Ben was actually grooming Jack to replace him? Does he want Jack around to replace Ethan Rom and continue the scientific work?

Mac stated that Jack's back-story is exhausted...and this is why his story with the Others is just beginning. I think his relationship with Juliet will continue and I think there will be some interesting twists and turns for Jack.

However, the problem with my theory is that Jack is a main-main-MAIN character and it would hard to write the story with him converting to an Other (although dramatically this could be interesting). Another problem with my theory is that if the Others under Jack become good neighbors, where is the tension, who will be the new baddie?

I also think Ben may die, and the role of the Others will become clear. Maybe DHARMA was phase one of the plan for Utopia that went bad (Polar Bears, Smokey, etc) while Otherville was the good side and Phase Two?

Anyway, feel free to chew on my words

J

#84. Posted by: JP at February 22, 2007 6:26 PM

One thing that I forgot to mention earlier. Jack must have bought one intense kite to need help building it. "Me spinal surgeon, not kite builder!" Granted, I used to sell kites many, many moons ago, but they are not hard to figure out. Med school or not.

#85. Posted by: onelostdude at February 22, 2007 6:45 PM

The whole Bai-Ling/Thai but I tattoo in Chinese/Sheriff spoke in Thai but references the tattoo as Chinese is a little bit insulting to me (I'm Chinese). It's as if the writers are classmates from second grade and called me a Jap or a Gook. Thanks, folks, I'm a Chink - if you're gonna insult me, get the ethnicity right!

#86. Posted by: Connie at February 22, 2007 6:59 PM

Strange observations from the episode:

When Karl and Alex named their constellation Teddy Bear, I immediately thought that is the security blanket for the children from the Tailie section (and after the abduction, was an image from the band of Others terrorizing the Tailies in the jungle like a band from the Lord of the Flies) who showed up to watch Jack with their teddy bear. Could Karl & Alex be the Tailie children but in a different time dimension? The concept of real time
in relationship to the island is something that has yet to explained.

Desmond has been on the island 3 years; so has Juliet. If the flashbacks are true, then they were "outsiders" brought to the island for specific reasons. But why does Desmond's flashbacks start 2 years earlier? With the Oracle jewelry store owner interjecting that Dez has to turn the fail safe key to save "us," not mankind, the world, but "us," I think her reference is a small group (the Others or maybe aliens studying the Others)

Remember when the Others feared Him, and speculation was rampant that Him was Hanso, the one eyed man, or some other boss to Ben. Well, if Ben can commute a death sentence, that has to mean that Ben is the ultimate authority in the Others society. Is the Him then some off-island reference-power?

#87. Posted by: welh at February 22, 2007 7:10 PM

@ Vikki Lawrence

Thank you for taking my incoherent ramble and making sense out of it. I think the best thing to do is refrain from watching the next week's episode preview...its the shawshank/green mile comparison....go in with no expectations (shawshank) and you'll most likely atleast be satisfied....listen to all the build up during the week (green mile, dubbed as the next shawshank) and you are setup to be disappointed. Vikki, loved you on celebrity card sharks, you're the best.

#88. Posted by: Diggler at February 22, 2007 7:26 PM

Juliette's tattoo is probably on her spine because Ben's operation was spinal.


They did indeed have a bigger boat in the final scene.

#89. Posted by: snow at February 22, 2007 7:29 PM

Or her brand rather, not tattoo.

#90. Posted by: snow at February 22, 2007 7:31 PM

@GatorGal
1.I just read your comment. The Tramp Stamp thing was hilarious!!!!!

P.S. I hate the Florida Gators with a passion.

#91. Posted by: Castaway at February 22, 2007 7:48 PM

Cowboy Up! Must have been what Jack's dad told Sawyer at the bar before he went and shot whoevertheheck he shot. That's why the Sox will never win it all.

#92. Posted by: F at February 22, 2007 7:53 PM

@aryastark

I definately agree with much of your crticisms about the lack of questioning from Sawyer/Kate.

Completely unbelievable writing, and not so much lazy. They are trying to stretch the mystery way too far, and this is resulting in zero believability.

Look back at the characters of Sawyer and Kate - after all the stuff they have gone through in their lives, and recently the torture and mindgames on Hydra island, how could they not demand to know more? Especially Sawyer, the con artist.

Sorry - there is just no way that the man I met through season 1+2 would just not bother seeking some real answers - no matter what the cost or consequences.

C'mon - this is the guy who hoarded supplies and weapons, and bullied his way to power. Ego alone would cause him to pound his way to find answers.

re: Ethan

There may be several ways that they could justify sending a doctor.

Some have theorized that the plane was actually expected to land on the island (look for future episode where landing strip is discovered), and that the only unexpected thing was Desmond being late punching the #'s, which caused the plane to crash.

If they were expecting important people on that flight, would it not make sense to send your doctor, so he could treat wounded survivers that they needed?

Showing Cindy + kids is just a tease.
Very unbelievable that Jack wouldn't pursue more answers from someone who shares common ground (survived crash), and can therefore at least be somewhat trusted.

As others have noted - this show has jumped the shark.

Even Mac seems to be loosing his patience - and there are many others that are feeling the same.

The Marketing dept needs to be shot.
They are frustrating/alienating more people by offering promises of answers that are not at all satisfying.

Only for so long will one follow the carrot (tied to the fishing pole), before one concludes that the effort is fruitless. Keep trying the same trick - and it just gets annoying, and creates anger.

The writers seemed to have lost focus on the things that made Lost so compelling - the story of the survivors of a plane crash and their adaptation to life on the island. By choosing a diverse multi-ethnic cast, they were able to apeal to a wide audience base. The cultural differances of Sayid, Sun, etc were what made the show what it was.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh!

#93. Posted by: shikotee at February 22, 2007 8:21 PM

Answers to Two of the Three Most Unanswered Questions on this Blog

Sawyer doesn’t question Karl intensely because he is hurt—yes, old Sawbone does have feelings—simply by being called “James,” very formally, as a put-off, by Kate. His empathy here parallels the empathy the audience is supposed to have for him. He lets Karl go with impunity, as he wishes you/Kate would him. Of course, I’d rather keep the boat and sail instead of walk home, but he also probably wants not to take a potential spy/deserter/tale-talker-to-the-others back home with him either. Better Karl go back to Alex who can work her own form of brainwashing on him (Right, guys?) Better to get Karl solidly on their side, as Alex obviously is. And she is obviously another to whom “the rules do no apply,” (as is Juliet) being Ben’s “daughter.” And Rousseau’s, no doubt. Not that Alex was definitely snatched (both could be her parents) but maybe the “Others” are actually part of Rousseau’s party, but she’s the one who caught the virus, or whatever, and became delusional and started shooting and—damn! Rousseau sure did know awful quickly where Claire had been taken. Rousseau could be a Dharma reject who actually resigned from signing the social contract with the Dharma Initiative Social Set. Bet Locke will end up signing on the muddied line. I wonder when/where Hobbes is going to appear. Or Calvin. Perhaps on the third island. I’ve always said it’s going to come down to a war of Them against Us. As well as Us against Us. And Us against Them in Us…and Us in Them. And geeks against Darwinian survivalists…And, well, you know what the world is like…

Cindy’s scene is not wasted. Rarely is much wasted in this show—except for Ana-Lucia and Libby—not even dead-ends, for dead-ends do lead somewhere, aas a road may be being built to them. She says they are there to watch—not Jack, but Juliet’s trial, dumb-bunny-bear—though Jack and you think it’s him they’ve come to see. “It’s complicated” is a sufficient answer to Jack and begins to lead him into the right interpretation that she can’t talk openly. He realizes that, knowing as big brother has eyes and voice, he may have ears. He knows a better answer will come if he is patient. The writers have told him so. He’s not going anywhere, he is in a cage—and he’s got a seven-season contract. And I’m sure Jack thought just like the writers and I (though apparently no one in the blogs I’ve read): Could Cindy be another plant for the Others? No, not on the island, but in the plane, good ole 815? Now where do we go with the Cindy Scene? Also, as actress Kimberley Joseph appeared in the very first scene of Lost (2004) and spoke the very first lines of the show, and especially since the producers are quoted as saying, “Her character was supposed to have died in the pilot episode, but she was liked by [them] so much that she was kept alive”—which is an obvious distraction/camouflage/pot-boiling lie to cover up her future emergence as something big—and the fact that Joseph has no other acting creds past “Lost” (read: Is not otherwise occupied), that I’m certain we will see her again…and again. Plus her name means, in short, symbolically, “candle light,” which portends she will deliver pithy knowledge of primary import in the future. Maybe we’ll see her again on the third island… Maybe in Jack’s cage. Remember, on the plane she gave him an extra wink and a smile…and vodka. Maybe that’s why he was unconscious when he woke up after the wreck, having been hurled deep into the jungle. What? Only drunks survive such bashings. Plus, speaking of potboiler—then I’ll finish about Miss Bringer-of-the-Word—Cindy is supposed to have had a relationship with one of the passengers, the novelist Gary Troup—actually a pseudonym for an actor playing author for a corporation-written series of fictions—as described in the foreword to his latest book, Bad Twin, which has ties to the video game, Lost Experience. (Ole Sawbone was reading the novel, but Jack tore out—how symbolic—the last few pages). He even gave her a cameo role in the novel as a stewardess on an Oceanic flight from Los Angeles to Sydney (mirror-parallel world time). (What, she got the foreward mention and a roman a clef character? How can she get both?) When Cindy disappears—another supposed Others’ kidnap victim—whispers can be heard in the jungle, the same whispers that other characters have heard repeatedly throughout the series. Did the Others know she was coming and get to set up the PA system overnight or is this the ghost of Troup—he was the one sucked up and swallowed by the turbine during initial survival time. Oh well, he was just a trouper anyway.

And please remember: Writers do not waste information, only audiences and producers do—like, I’m sure Ana-Lucia and Libby were meant for more meaningful roles in Lost life until their karma from their Hawaiian parallel universe caught up with them. But the Lost universe has a way of cause-correcting, so I’m sure two other characters will pick up their once-and-future significances.

Another prediction: After watching My Name is Earl (and now during a commercial during The Office) I predict that Gerbel Tossing will become a new American sport/pastime. At least, that’s what she said.

#94. Posted by: William the Harold at February 22, 2007 9:01 PM

ND - the Christy connection to Mommie Dearest... I so see it now - thanks for the research on that.

Have we thought that maybe Cindy & Co were going to watch the Juliet sentencing? The room did look full when Ben's letter arrived...

Great review as usual Mac - I can't tell a difference!

#95. Posted by: orighu at February 22, 2007 9:41 PM

How about the dialog between Jack and Tom:
"See this glass wall, how about i make it a stoned one." or smth like it.

What did he mean?

#96. Posted by: Skandalouz at February 23, 2007 4:44 AM

@diggler...I was waiting for someone to recognize me from my former life on the 70s game show circuit...kudos to you for figuring out the only other person I have ever heard of on earth who spells the name the same way :)

I like the connection between Sawyer's song at the beginning of the episode (from Jaws, right?) and the fact that the characters did indeed wind up on a BIGGER BOAT at the end of the episode...

WGNABB!

#97. Posted by: Vikki at February 23, 2007 8:48 AM

"Whose house is of glass, must not throw stones at another" reffering to Jack's vulnerability.

So Mac, did you notice that Tom says to Jack smth like: “How about getting you some stones?”

#98. Posted by: Skandalouz at February 23, 2007 8:56 AM

"Incidentally, why would Ben send such a valuable person (gifted surgeon Ethan) to do the Lost infiltration? Seems like some other Other underling could've done it."

I to found this stange sending out your only surgeon, but then I remmember Ethan has been off the island. Maybe he is one of the few (also Goodwin who was sent to the Tailies)have been off the island and would know current events and how to interact with the losties.

#99. Posted by: michael at February 23, 2007 9:32 AM

Mac,

I agree with you wholeheartedly - every theory and twist that I get behind and start championing turns out to be either nothing but a one-off twist or they drop it faster than a hot tamale.

There's only one overarching mystery that the producers are heading towards answering and everything else is just filler.

Having said that - last week you got a lot of flack for your so-called brief reviews. I think your reviews have tightened up and really cut to the heart of the show.

As I said last week, why waste time mulling over all the details - like the inane conversation about what Jack's tatoo might really mean (apparently, it means eagles fly not super-doc walks amongst us.) Who cares? It ultimately will be dropped and never mentioned again.

And, finally, of all the recent twists and turns and revelations, you're right - I think the Juliet-Jack relationship is one that will actually really change the whole ball-game.

And I bet Isabelle becomes a major player in the last two seasons.

Didn't the producers mention some new "iconic" characters?

#100. Posted by: Sam at February 23, 2007 10:11 AM

I was kind of wondering if Sawyer encouraged Carl to go back mainly because that would stop Kate from bugging him to rescue Jack (boat would be gone), thereby paving the way for Sawyer to have Kate all to himself - just seemed to me that Sawyer would be happier to not have Jack around, and it would tie in with his "con man" thing...By the way, why wouldn't they think to hide that boat so they would have it for later!!

Also, when is someone going to tell Alex about her mother Danielle - this is so infuriating...

#101. Posted by: kristy at February 23, 2007 10:17 AM

@Skandalouz: I do remember that line, but I didn't place much stock in it. Of course, I've been wrong before ;) I interpreted as Tom telling Jack that his self-righteousness is hypocritical.

@Sam: The thing that cracks me up about the "flack" (which was quite mild as flack goes) is that some people complained when the reviews were too long and now some people are complaining that they're too short. Folks are certainly entitled to their opinions, but I learned a long time ago (back when I did this same thing for the "X-Files") that if I try to please everyone I won't have any fun with this. So -- and I hope folks don't take this the wrong way -- I ultimately write these reviews for myself. That's what keeps me sane ;)

-- mac

#102. Posted by: mac at February 23, 2007 10:18 AM

WOW Mac - this blog is a true monument to it's own popularity. I remember the good ol' days of season 2 when I could read all the posts and get a feel for what the visitors to this site where thinking. But now - Jumpin' Jack Flash - there's way too many to get through them all.

@ Skandalouz:

Jack told Tom what kind of people he thought the Others were by listing their misdeeds. Tom walked over to the glass wall, knocked on it, looked at Jack and said, "see this glass house your in? How about I go get you some stones". He was making reference to how folks in glass houses shouldn't hurl stones and such - i.e.; Jack and his merry band of Losties aren't innocents either.

#103. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 23, 2007 10:21 AM

Horrible episode....Great review, Mac.

#104. Posted by: lostme at February 23, 2007 1:16 PM

@Stacy and JP, I had been thinking about the tattoo translation, but I had not come up with that. OMG, I could totally see Jack and Jules taking over the 'colony' and restructuring it according to their vision of what it should have been to begin with. And Jack just completely disconnecting from the 815ers, maybe even having them shipped off as he stays behind. Good insight; thanks for the help...

#105. Posted by: BELost at February 23, 2007 1:51 PM

Thank you Mac for a great recap to one confusing hour.

Thanks to Mr Grimm too for explaining about the glass house thing. I just didn't get it from the show and it bothered me.

This seems to be quite a repetitive theme doesn't it? Our life is better than your life, nya, nya. From both sides, now. Clouds' illusions recalled?

Does anyone else think that the Isobel character was shown once before in a flashback where she played the ticket agent at the airport? Maybe when Hurley bought his ticket?

And the Oracle woman is really bugging me--I know we've seen her before on this show......

And as far as oracles go, where is the striking black woman who threatened Michael's son when he was captured and in the hut? Who was also an altar attendant for Eko's brother priest?

And what's with the bottom of the ocean shot and the ring slowly sinking into its depths? Have we seen this ring before also?
Namaste

#106. Posted by: stontilam at February 23, 2007 2:02 PM

@ButchM:

LOL - I read the "Smokey" story - Great Stuff. I didn't know I was such a BADA$$. LOL

Love the Blog Mac - lot's of great discussions and ideas.

Someone posted that the kids that had been taken looked older and that Walt had looked older in the ep "3 Minutes". Absolutely correct on both counts. At the end of Season 2 Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse had mentioned that Walt's accelerated growth would be addressed. I think that the appearance of the two other kids that were taken during the ep "The Other 48 Days" are proof that an answer will be forthcoming at some point. It's possible that the others are experementing with aging experiments, or something along those lines. Could also be that whatever experiment they are performing on the children has nothing to do with accelerated aging and that it's just a side affect.

Guess we'll have to wait and hope we find out.

#107. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 23, 2007 2:47 PM

sorry if i missed someone mentioning this, but...if you were Jules, wouldn't you be pissed at Action Jack-son for putting you in this whole death-sentence, trial, scarlet letter branding, situation in the first place? Other than calling himself Henry Gale, Ben doesn't seem to lie. Isabel didn't accurately translate the tattoo, either. She was proving to herself (and us later) that Jack doesn't know what it says at all. All Ben, Isabel, and Jules are doing is testing Jack. Finding out his breaking points (killing a hottie), his weaknesses (his 'friends'), his vulnarabilities (his stubborn lying insecurities). They are planning something emotionally and physically painful for the Doc.

#108. Posted by: MikeL at February 23, 2007 3:22 PM

sorry if i missed someone mentioning this, but...if you were Jules, wouldn't you be pissed at Action Jack-son for putting you in this whole death-sentence, trial, scarlet letter branding, situation in the first place? Other than calling himself Henry Gale, Ben doesn't seem to lie. Isabel didn't accurately translate the tattoo, either. She was proving to herself (and us later) that Jack doesn't know what it says at all. All Ben, Isabel, and Jules are doing is testing Jack. Finding out his breaking points (killing a hottie), his weaknesses (his 'friends'), his vulnarabilities (his stubborn lying insecurities). They are planning something emotionally and physically painful for the Doc.

#109. Posted by: MikeL at February 23, 2007 3:23 PM

sorry if i missed someone mentioning this, but...if you were Jules, wouldn't you be pissed at Action Jack-son for putting you in this whole death-sentence, trial, scarlet letter branding, situation in the first place? Other than calling himself Henry Gale, Ben doesn't seem to lie. Isabel didn't accurately translate the tattoo, either. She was proving to herself (and us later) that Jack doesn't know what it says at all. All Ben, Isabel, and Jules are doing is testing Jack. Finding out his breaking points (killing a hottie), his weaknesses (his 'friends'), his vulnarabilities (his stubborn lying insecurities). They are planning something emotionally and physically painful for the Doc.

#110. Posted by: MikeL at February 23, 2007 3:23 PM

I wanna burn a HYDRA logo on me soooo bad.

#111. Posted by: Eric at February 23, 2007 3:38 PM

I think that I have uncovered part of the mystery for next week's episode in which Hurley finds a car.

Remember that while in the small boat going back to the island, Karl told Kate and Sawyer, "God loves you as he did Jacob." An anagram for "God loves you as he did Jacob" is: "A CAB DUDED GIVES HO JOY SOLO."

Let's break it down:

"A CAB DUDED" translates to "Hurley finds a car that was once a cab and says, 'Dude, a car.' The car then... "

"GIVES HO" = "...gives Kate..."

"JOY" = "...happiness." Meaning that Kate uses the car to run over Sawyer (What would make Kate happier than getting Sawyer out of the picture before he can go a braggin' to the losties back on the island about his and Kate's cage dance?)

"SOLO" = Kate does this by herself with no outside help.

So then, we can clearly see that in the upcoming episode:

A dude finds a car that was once a cab which gives Kate happiness when she uses it (by herself) to run over Sawyer.

There you have it, the writers can't get anything past me. Boy, I'm getting good at this stuff...

:b

Ok, maybe I'll just leave the blogging up to mac.

#112. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 23, 2007 3:52 PM

@ bcre8ve:

LMAO - I just spit out my soda all over my screen but it was worth it.

LOL

#113. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at February 23, 2007 4:00 PM

Couple points in response to some previous posts:

1. I don't understand all the talk about the Ethan not being a surgeon because they sent him to infiltrate the Losties camp... and if he were a surgeon they wouldn't send him because he was too valuable?

Well, isn't JACK a surgeon? And nobody seems to complain about him going rambo in the jungle.

Besides I don't think the Others expected the Losties to have guns when Charlie killed Ethan. They had crashed on a friggin plane... most planes don't have guns. Ethan had already proven he could handle himself in hand to hand combat, he just wasn't prepared to face firearms.

2. Maybe Sawyer's "playing big brother" and letting Carl go... IS the con. Maybe he is "in character" because he's acting out of character towards Carl, as part of his con. Carl (I'm assuming) has no idea who Sawyer really is. So Sawyer is playing him. Trying to get Carl to like Sawyer so that he will divulge information later.

If you were a post-clockwork oranged, brainwashed teenager, would you share information to a belligerent bully that is beating the information out of you or would you be more likely to share with someone who seems to care about you? Carl seemed pretty short and cryptic with his answers as it was. I think we'll see the Carl-Sawyer relationship play out further. (Remember we already saw them together once when they were both prisoners at the beginning of the season). Sawyer's got a plan. The mushiness he spoke about love just seemed like part of a con.

#114. Posted by: GFish at February 23, 2007 4:02 PM

Great review, AGAIN!!! I read all the talk in regards to different references, and always come back to the same idea: THE WIZzzzard of OZ!! Lets not foget Henry Gale..Hot air Balloon.Auntie Em...How about last week, the guy who was crushed by the cement(house)all we saw was the red shoes sticking out. How about Jack as Dorthy...wants to go home..Ben the wizzard..the list goes on. What do you guys think.....dantheman

#115. Posted by: dantheman at February 23, 2007 5:23 PM

OK, so I went back, and reviewed the tape, and they rowed Ben to the bigger boat that was (barely) visible on the horizon, and then the bow of the boat was shown in one (brief) nighttime scene, and Juliet and Jack are shown briefly on the bow before they are seen in closeup, all of which I must have dozed through, Wednesday.

1) They have a Hydra station on the 'Alcatraz' island and *NO DOCK* to put their boat in to?

2) They rowed out to the boat in daylight, but it's dark while they're still sailing to wherever they're going? Either the place they want to land is way far around the big-island, or it's on another island altogether. And putting large numbers of people on the island must be really cumbersome, it that boat's their only way of ferrying people on and off.

3) Sawyer's reasons for not sailing to the Losties beach are pretty lame. It sounds a lot like the writers just didn't want the Beach-Losties to have access to a boat - which is very bad plotting, if so. Or they wanted Sawyer/Kate to have some sort of adventure on the trek, equally bad.

4) It's getting harder and harder to imagine plausible reasons why the Others behave as they do.

#116. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 23, 2007 5:58 PM

Well...I am late to the party here. Lots of good points!

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the title "Stranger in a Strange Land"? It is the title of one of my favorite Heinlein books, but I know he got the title from the book of Exodus.

Here is the quote (from Exodus):
"And Moses was content to dwell with the man [Reuel]: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter.

And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land."

It would seem that Jack will end up being the Moses figure here, with Ben filling the role of Reuel...which would mean he gives him Alex to make that child they all seem to want so much.

Ahhh...I have to stop reading into these things...

Fred

#117. Posted by: fred at February 23, 2007 8:48 PM

Have we thought about the Juliet and Ethan connection yet, maybe she was in love with him as they would have been the only doctors on the seen before Jack showed up. She could have been working him to get off the island knowing he has been off before i.e. when he recruited her.
Just a thought.

#118. Posted by: DAKOTA at February 24, 2007 11:38 AM

@ bcre8ve - that was funnier than heck. I hope Mr. Grimm got the soda off his screen. As far as Sawyer, people wonder who those women are they see him outwit.

@ Mr. Grimm - the Smokey back story was a lot of fun to do. I'm glad you finally got a chance to read it.

#119. Posted by: ButchM at February 24, 2007 11:56 AM

Anyone know where is can buy a kite like Jacks?

#120. Posted by: Dakota at February 24, 2007 11:58 AM

What is everyone's thoughts on the scene where Jack asks the stewardess (I forgot her name) why she's with the Others. She starts to say something like, "No, they're not..." She doesn't finish the sentence, but it's obvious that she was starting to say something important and relevant about the people she's with.

I am late in posting because I'm having a hard time this season. Gotta watch the shows a day late, and then by the time I get to read the reviews there are so many it takes to long. Too many to keep track of now...:) mac has really taken off with his popularity.

#121. Posted by: meg at February 24, 2007 1:13 PM

@ Mr. Grimm: Thanks for confirming what Juliet's "mark" was. After thinking about it for a while I realized that I had seen it before in connection w/Dharma, but couldn't remember it was the Hydra symbol (I kept thinking it looked like an octopus).

This week I watched the episode w/my dad, who hadn't seen the show before. During a commercial break he commented that he had recently seen Stephen King's Storm of the Century, which I didn't know anything about. He said that the storyline is that an advanced being of great age comes to an island because he knows his time is nearly done, & wants to find his heir to carry on. That brought to mind something that I'd been wondering about for a while—suppose Juliet was recruited to come to the island to work some fertility magic on Ben? Perhaps he's sterile & wants to produce an heir...not necessarily by being pregnant himself (Rabbit Test!), but by restoring his fertility to impregnate someone.

#122. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 24, 2007 9:51 PM

It was kind of hard to tell with all of the swelling, but it looked like Juliet's tat was the Japanese symbol for water. Someone mentioned that it was the Hydra's symbol. I hadn't picked up on the symbol on the station's walls, but it would make sense. Anyone else notice this?

#123. Posted by: KaytieD at February 25, 2007 3:46 PM

SOme thoughts that I have not seen discused as yet?

I think Ted must be gay as he told Kate she was not his type, and he seems to have feelings for Ben and perhaps he thinks Jack is cute too.

Isabel looked like a character from the original Star Trek show with her modernist outfit and hairstyle. Also do we know if she really translated Jack's tatoo or if she was just testing him to see if he really knew what it said. She seemed very supercilious and desperate to show Jack how smart she is and I wonder why she would want to prove that to him. Does she want Juliet out of the picture because Juliet is not trully an other?

Cindy walked up to Jack's cage as if she did not know he was in it, but then she was not the least bit curious about how he ended up in there, of even the slightest bit outraged that he was being treated that way. Also didn't one of the kids ask about Ana Lucia, and wasn't that when Jack saw red? Cindy herself did not seem even slighly taken aback by Jack's situation and she had no curiousity about any of the flight survivors - which I find strange.


Any Thai people reading this who can tell us if people like Anchara and her culture's beliefs as based on actual Thai beliefs or if she is just part of some Thai beach/tatoo sub-culture.


Finally, the teddy bear is more of a reference to Neverland than a Strange land, where children stay young forever and things from your imagination can become real.

#124. Posted by: weepict at February 25, 2007 4:44 PM

Greetings everyone. I’ve been a fan of this blog since last season but this is the 1st time I’ve posted. Mac, your reviews are absolutely great! Thank you for them!

Dakota’s post re: Juliet & Ethan from above reminded me of the season opener this year. Just before people start showing up for the book club at Juliet’s isn’t Ethan (face unseen at the time) underneath the air conditioning unit or something, attempting to do some home repair of some sort. Nice old lady with the white hair commented something like “Hasn’t he fixed that yet?” to which Ethan (pretty sure it was him) replied “It’s a work in progress.” The whole exchange seemed to imply that there was a relationship of some sort there, co-habitable in nature maybe? Perhaps I’m reading too much into that exchange but, as I recall, it was some of the very 1st dialogue from this season if not THE very 1st exchange between characters. Since then we’ve been made aware that Ben & Juliet “have a past” but nothing has expanded on that opening dialogue. If there was a relationship there how is Ethan’s murder (from an Other standpoint) at the hands of Charlie going to affect Juliet’s budding relationship with Jack or her willingness to help the other castaways in the future?

Any thoughts?

#125. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at February 25, 2007 5:24 PM

And a quick follow-up to that and some earlier posts: If there was some sort of relationship going on there might that be some of the rationale for a jealous Ben to send their only surgeon on a potentially dangerous recon mission to the crash sights?

#126. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at February 25, 2007 5:43 PM

Has anyone explained why the Thai dudes beat the heck out of Jack??

And why did Jack go crazy and demand the tattoo??

Does any of that whole backstory make sense to anyone??

JimBob

#127. Posted by: JimBob at February 26, 2007 9:11 AM

Does anyone else find it curious that the Others would hold a trial and possibly an execution without Ben's knowledge? Isabel must be 'vice-president' of the Others, because she seems to want Ben out of her way. She just sent off on a boat, the Others' leader, the Oceanic leader, and the wild-card with power who is between them. Hmmm? Who's to stand in her way of taking full control now? One thing's for sure...Isabel is a full-on wack job and she's way smarter than her competition. Dangerous combination! Then Leo left that map for the pot-heads in Phuket...oh wait...that's The Beach. Sorry, LOL. By the way, where do the Others get fuel for these boats? My brain hurts, but I still believe the answers are simpler and right in front of our faces. We're just too 'oliver stone' to see them.

#128. Posted by: Mike L at February 26, 2007 9:55 AM

@ Dakota - I am having a hard time imagining anyone being in love with Ethan, or that he's a surgeon. He's so dopey!

#129. Posted by: meg at February 26, 2007 11:05 AM

I figured out the connection for having Ling Bai on the show. I tried to watch a movie called Monkey King...it was difficult...and there was Ling Bai as a goddess. She fell in love with the "mortal" on his quest to save his "timeframe". While taking a shower I realized this mortal was none other than the actor who played Greg from Dharma & Greg! So, there you go - she was hooked up with Dharma a long time ago!!! How many points of separation is there...?

#130. Posted by: katpaws at February 26, 2007 11:10 AM

@Davidrh -"Well, after two weeks of episodes that really stirred the senses and got your noggin steamed, this week we are treated to . . . well, Kate and Sawyer, Kate and Jack, Jack and Juliette, Jack and Achara, and Karl and Alex. Was this show supposed to have been aired on Valentine’s Day? I was waiting for the e-harmony doctor-guy to pop up with compatibility tests for everyone! We’re going to need a bigger LUV-BOAT!"

Love it! I knew that was your writing even before I scrolled down to see your name.

#131. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 26, 2007 11:21 AM

@Welh -"Well, if Ben can commute a death sentence, that has to mean that Ben is the ultimate authority in the Others society. Is the Him then some off-island reference-power?"
Here in the USA, governers can stop a death sentence and there are people in a higher rank than them.

#132. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 26, 2007 12:44 PM

Someone said earlier that if Jack was to take over the leadership role for the Others that the story would have nowhere to go (or something to that affect). Well maybe that is how the story ends up. Think about a battle over control between Izzy (yea, that's right I said Izzy, I think it fits her character better than the soft sounding Isabel) and Jack would be great. Imagine a civil war between the Others where one side is loyal to the old regime, and then here comes this new guy that some see as a way for change to happen. Izzy was refered to as "the Sheriff" by her own kind. It was said in a way that did not really come across as positive. It was more like "oh great, here she comes". Maybe that is just me, but that is what I got from it.

#133. Posted by: Batteries Included at February 26, 2007 1:38 PM

Hey all y'all,

The Hollywood Reporter says...

"After months of speculation, J.J. Abrams has signed on to direct the next installment of the "Star Trek" feature franchise, sources said late Friday. "Star Trek XI" revolves around a young James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock, chronicling their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and their first space mission."

Thought youse'd like t'know...

#134. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 26, 2007 3:21 PM

Something that just occurred to me while reading some of the latest posts....
Why is it that at the end of the show, Jack and Juliet are in the small boat, rowing out to the larger boat in the distance w/ Ben. And it seems to take them quite a while to get where they're going.... BUT ... Sawyer and Kate (and Carl) are able to get to the main island fairly quickly (it was light when they left and still light, although getting toward dusk, when they arrive).
If the other island is visible from the one they're on, why do Jack and Juliet need such a large boat to get where they're going?
Maybe they're going somewhere else....

#135. Posted by: erin at February 26, 2007 11:56 PM

I often read that people wonder why the losties don't question things enough. I find this a bit odd.

I don't know about you, but I don't question every action and event in my life. Sure, there are times when I do (who doesnt?) but day to day activities? I just try to live and enjoy life.

#136. Posted by: schiano at February 27, 2007 12:04 AM

Yes, I'll agree with that completely...but you're also not plane-wrecked on an island in the middle of nowhere with kids being kidnapped, smokey running wild, locked up in a bear cage, etc. etc....

I just think their situation warrants a TON more questions than if they were just living and enjoying their normal day to day activities. Kind of impossible in their situation.

But I've come to the new realization that the show just can't give straight answers yet about the Others if it wants to continue for another season or two.

#137. Posted by: JoePike at February 27, 2007 8:17 AM

Did I read it correctly about tomorrow's episode? Hurley finds a car and Kate uses it to run over Sawyer???? Are you kidding me?! That sounds ridiculous. I hope they do a good job with it, because the description makes this show sound silly.

#138. Posted by: meg at February 27, 2007 11:52 AM

@ meg,

"Hurley finds a car and Kate uses it to run over Sawyer????"

Change the word car to motorcycle and the word run to jump and the word Sawyer to shark and bada-bing yer GTG.

#139. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 27, 2007 1:08 PM

Yes, that's much better...yikes! :)

#140. Posted by: meg at February 27, 2007 5:12 PM

@ransomjackson - lol - pretty funny!

re: small boat transport to big boat

That was kinda wierd. You'd think that the Hydra Island would have some kind of a dock. Then again, the absence of a dock suggests that there is definately some other way to get from one island or the other.

Naturally, the first thing that comes to mind is the submarine. I'm curious though - would you not require some sort of a dock to use a sub efficiently?

How the heck did Cindy and crew make it out to the Hydra? Did they all head over in a bigger boat, and then take turns heading to land in smaller ones? That just seems terribly inefficient.

At the least, it would explain why Juliet (i think it was her) mentioned something about how the others used the Hydra sparcely - way too annoying to get there!

@Erin - i think it is mentioned that the isle's are 2 miles or so apart? Depending on wind, current, weight - a row boat can be very slow, wheras a light weight boat with sail could soar.

#141. Posted by: shikotee at February 27, 2007 8:03 PM

Hurley is pregnant!

That's why he's not losing weight.

#142. Posted by: Bill K at February 28, 2007 12:19 AM

re: small boat transport to big boat

It could be that the dock is to far away to transport the very fragile Benry, so they need to head to the nearest shore...just a thought

#143. Posted by: John at February 28, 2007 9:33 AM

"Tonight on Lost Cheech Marin ("Judging Amy") guest stars as Hurley's father."

Let me be the first to say it...

"Dave's not here..."

#144. Posted by: ransomjackson at February 28, 2007 10:39 AM

Here's hopin' that tonight will be a good show!!

#145. Posted by: MrEko237 at February 28, 2007 1:28 PM

imagine if "home" meant an actual city, in southest asia or smething like that, where their mission is to get Ben treated for. Leading to great plot lines, like Jack trying to escape from the others or maybe JUliet as well? after the treatment, everyone is forced to go back to the island because of ben's power. possible?!!?!

#146. Posted by: Rosco at February 28, 2007 6:09 PM

I can't wait till the next recap so I can debut my new LOST Blog handle!!!

#147. Posted by: Mhausen11 at February 28, 2007 6:43 PM

Hi everyone,
I know I´m late, but here´s a question that came to my mind and that maybe one of you can answer: Remember the episode where Ben talks to Jacks about fate and stuff and what a happy "coincidence" it is that a spinal surgeon falls from the sky just when he needs one (I think it was the opening episode of season 3, but I´m not sure). I had the impression, that he desperately needed Jack for the operation. But now we learn that Evil Ethan (who at that time was pretty much alive and kicking) is a surgeon too??? So what did he need Jack for? Or is it just that Ethan was not quite into spines?
Any idea about that?
P.S. Thanks for the great reviews, mac!

#148. Posted by: John K at March 1, 2007 9:02 AM

I instantly thought about the same thing. Maybe there is a difference between a surgeon and a spinal surgeon. Maybe to work on spines you really have to be specialized. I don't think that Ben was lying.

#149. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 1, 2007 9:09 AM

Ethan was killed in season 1 before they captured Ben in season 2. So maybe Ben was coming for Jack since they knew he was a surgeon.

#150. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 1, 2007 9:43 AM

The moment Ben is talking to Jack is of course after Ethans death; but the moment he is referring to (a surgeon falling from the sky) is the day flight 815 crashed on the island, when Ethan was - obviously - still alive. I can´t remember Bens exact words, but it gave me the impression that he needed a surgeon already back then - but maybe that was a misinterpretation.

#151. Posted by: John K at March 1, 2007 10:43 AM

"imagine if "home" meant an actual city, in southest asia or smething like that"

Yeah! Maybe they're not saying "home" at all, but they're saying "Nome"--as in the town in Alaska. That's where Michael and Walt are wandering around right now!

:)

#152. Posted by: Trinity at March 1, 2007 11:30 AM

Sorry this is a late comment.

"He walks among us, but is not one of us." That's been true of Jack his whole life.

Maybe THAT was the point.(?)

#153. Posted by: Herobill at March 5, 2007 11:02 AM

Interesting tidbit about Bai Ling (Achara):

I thought I recognized her, she was in The Crow, and she played the "girlfriend/sister" of Top Dollar (the bad guy). In that movie she liked to collect eyes from the people they killed, saying she could "see" things about them. Just like in this episode, where she says she can see things about the people she tattoos.

#154. Posted by: Christina at March 13, 2007 10:53 PM

3-9 - Stranger In A Strange Land

Jack walks among them
But he is not one of them
He saves Juliet

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