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Key Points from "Par Avion"

Season 3, Episode 12
Episode Air Date: 03/14/07

Point 1
Claire

Charlie

Desmond

Sun

Jin
Let us pause for a moment to consider Claire's plight.

She crashes on a wacked-out island, pregnant, single and not entirely sure if she's a show regular or an occasional guest star. For weeks, she's forced to wear the same black maternity outfit and eat imaginary peanut butter with a C-list celebrity bassist. She's then abducted by a preternaturally strong "surgeon" who takes her to an underground medical lair and injects her still-developing child with a mysterious cocktail of shark oil, polar bear blood and an unidentified liquid from Ben's forehead. Ultimately, she pops out a son -- who by the grace of God isn't pre-tagged with a Dharma insignia -- but her elation is interrupted when a wild-eyed Frenchwoman kidnaps her baby for a poorly-conceived Other trade.

And that's only the first season.

Claire's problems become clear when they're compressed into a snarkily-written paragraph, but the massive gaps in Claire's "Lost" appearances make it hard to connect with her. Sure, she's pretty and nice and it's fun to hear her say "where's my baaaaaby" in her Australian accent, but when she sees less screen time than Dr. Artz and has fewer lines than Paulikki, it's virtually impossible to be an ardent Claire fan.

If only there was a surprise familial connection between Claire and another castaway to ignite our imaginations and justify her existence on the island ...

But we'll get to that in a minute. For the time being, it's time to recap.

The primary storyline in this episode had the emotional resonance of a backstory. There were bits and pieces of interesting dialogue, and we did witness a few developments, but the episode's real action took place in the secondary plot (Key Point 3). With this in mind, I'm going to zip through Claire's material to get to the good stuff.

So, here's what we learn in Claire's on-island story:

  • The Charlie-Claire relationship seems to be blossoming. His faux-gentleman act appeals to her, which is good since it's the only act he's got. As the episode opens, the duo has arranged for "Auntie Sun and Uncle Jin" (Charlie's phrasing) to take Aaron so Charlie and Claire can enjoy a Dharma picnic by the water.
  • The picnic is interrupted by a gun-toting Desmond who's sporting his "I just had another premonition" look. Des tells/asks/pleads with Charlie to come hunt boar with him. "Charlie, you really, really want to dis this attractive young woman and trudge through the jungle in search of bloodthirsty boars. Really. Besides, she's not going to put out for another five or six episodes."
  • Des' warning is temporarily put on the back burner when a flock of birds flies across the beach. Claire is transfixed. Her eyes sparkle. "I think I just figured out how we can get off the island!" she yelps. She runs back toward camp, clapping her hands in anticipation.
  • Claire's "plan" is a little flaky, but at this point anything is open for discussion. She claims to have spotted a metallic tag on one of the birds' legs, which leads her to believe that the flock has been previously tagged by scientists. If the castaways can capture one of the birds (humanely, not in a Sawyer kinda way), they can attach a message to the bird and wait and hope for the flock to migrate to Fiji or Australia or Dharma's abandoned bird sanctuary (aka "The Nest"). Claire, it would seem, has confused seagulls with carrier pigeons. So sad. Such a pretty girl, such a mushy mind.
  • Because Sun and Jin have nothing better to do, they help Claire execute her bird scheme. Jin constructs a net thingie and Sun rounds up a bucket of fish guts and the trio then scampers back to the treeline to watch and wait. Eventually, a bird lands on the bucket and Jin begins a trapping countdown (in English). "One ... Two ..."

    BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!

    The birds scatter as gunshots zing in the jungle. Desmond darts through the trees, clutching a rifle. He spots Claire, Sun and Jin and immediately realizes he's just disrupted their well-laid plan.

    Claire sees it differently: she believes Desmond intentionally chased away the birds. She thinks Desmond doesn't want her to capture a bird and, by extension, rescue them all and get a guest spot on "The View."

  • Claire and Charlie get into a big spat because Claire believes Charlie supports Desmond's anti-bird crusade. It's during this exchange that we see Claire's penchant for melodrama. She quickly jumps to the conclusion that Charlie is a liar and, as such, she doesn't want her precious baby Aaron to be exposed to liars (crazy French ladies and blood-lusting polar bears are okay, however). Charlie huffs away, confused and wishing he hadn't tossed all those Virgin Mary statues into the ocean.
  • Later, Claire follows Desmond as he makes a beeline toward a desolate part of the coastline. Des doesn't realize he's being followed, which becomes a problem when he expertly walks over a line of sharp nasty rocks and successfully plucks a seabird from its nest. Claire charges into view and demands to know what Desmond is up to. She watched him: He knew where to find this bird.

    It's at this point that Desmond reveals his precognitive abilities. He points to a nearby mass of craggy rocks and tells Claire that Charlie was going to meet his maker against that outcropping. If Desmond hadn't intervened, Charlie would have slipped and fallen into the ocean and had his trendy haircut slammed against the rocks over and over until his neck snapped. Claire's confused ... and a little impressed.

  • In the closing moments of the episode, Claire sheepishly tells Charlie that she now knows about Desmond's ability -- and his prediction of Charlie's imminent demise. She apologizes to her cuddly little smack junkie and the two set about crafting a "please help us, we're stuck on an island" note to attach to their captured gull. At sunset, the pair stands on the beach and Charlie reads the note:

    "Dear potential rescuers: We are a group of seemingly random castaways who crash landed on a scientific research facility/geological anomaly 80 days ago. Over the past months, some of us have grown close, some of us have pushed buttons, some of us have developed severe intestinal reactions to tropical fruit (Paulo), and some of us have died in a surprise double-cross orchestrated by a group of Others and their eeeeevil little mastermind. Please find us so that we may return to our misguided and tragic backstories. Signed, the Survivors of Oceanic 815 ... and Vincent."

    With that, Charlie slides the note into a dilapidated metal tag wrapped around the bird's leg. Claire and Charlie uncup their hands and the bird takes flight.

And that's that.

Point 2
Claire Claire's backstory reveals one very big, very important thing. Ready? This is going to blow your mind.

Here goes:

Claire used to be a black-haired goth chick who worked at a tattoo parlor.

Amazing, right? A total brain bender.

Beyond that, the backstory high points are just ho-hum. So here they are, presented in ho-hum bullet style:

  • Claire and her Mum were involved in a nasty car accident that turned Mum into a vegetable.
  • Claire's dad hasn't been in her life since she was two. She's been working under the assumption that he's dead, but we all know that an assumption makes an "ass out of u and umption."
  • Claire discovers that an anonymous American benefactor is taking care of Mum's considerable hospital bills.
  • Toward the end of the episode, we see Claire and Mum sometime later (we know it's later because Claire is pregnant and her hair is blond). Claire apologizes to her coma-Mum for all the horrible things she said and did. It's clear that Claire is burdened by a massive amount of guilt -- guilt so heavy it could bring down a trans-oceanic jetliner (Hmmmmm).

So that's about it with the backstory.

Of course, there's also that whole bit where we discover that Claire's father is alive and he's an American and he's actually Dr. Christian Shephard ... Jack's Dad ... holy homicidal smoke monster, Jack and Claire have the same dad!!!!

Yes, it's true. Claire's backstory reveals that Jack and Claire share a parent. Dr. Daddy is the "anonymous benefactor" tending to Mum's hospital bills, and halfway through the episode he makes an appearance by Mum's bedside. Goth Claire demands to know who this fella is and Dr. Daddy puffs his chest and revels in the pleasure of instigating family drama on another continent. Claire is surprised and overwhelmed by the revelation that this pale guy with a a borderline mullet is her father. She was expecting someone ... taller.

Shortly after Dr. Daddy reveals his paternity, he manages to coerce Claire into a conversation over coffee. At first Dr. Daddy seems compassionate (he claims to have visited Claire many times when she was little, but of course she doesn't remember). But soon, Dr. Daddy's pragmatic evil rears its ugly head. We've seen Dr. Daddy's sociopathic pragmatism in Jack's backstories: he gets off on telling his children to let things go and toss people off and avoid emotional investment at all costs. It did wonders for Jack, that's for sure.

So Dr. Daddy tries to convince Claire that she should let her mother die. Claire is flabbergasted and offended. In no uncertain terms, she tells him to shove off with this intriguing bit of dialogue:

"You might be my father, but I don't even know your name. I want it to stay that way."

With that, Dr. Daddy leaves ... only to reappear sometime later during an Australian bender and in the company of a sneering former cop. But we already know how that plays out ...

Let's take a moment to loop back to Claire's parting "I don't even know your name" line. Since Claire never learns Dr. Daddy's name, and since, presumably, Jack isn't carrying around snapshots of his father, I'm not sure how Jack and Claire will ever stumble upon their familial connection (unless there's a Shephard family album stored in Ben's attic). This opens the door to all sorts of near misses and, if the writers get desperate, a Luke-Leia moment.

Ewww.

Incidentally -- and tell me if I'm wrong on this -- I think Jack and Claire have shared exactly five minutes of screentime during the entire series. Besides the opening moments of the pilot episode when Dr. Jack tends to the then-preggers Claire, when have they been together?

Point 3
Kate

Locke

Sayid

Rousseau

And now we come to the good stuff.

The Jack Rescue Operation picks up where it left off in "Enter 77." Locke, Kate, Sayid and Rousseau drag their new prisoner -- Mikhail Bakunin -- through the jungle en route to the Others' hidden lair.

During the journey, Kate takes the opportunity to grill Bakunin for details about the Others (thank you, Kate). Her exchange with Bakunin reveals the following:

  • Bakunin claims to have been "recruited" when he was 24 years old. He was brought to the island in a submarine.
  • He and his Other comrades have (well, had) the ability to come and go from the island as they please, but the Purple Sky event knocked out their underwater beacon. Like the castaways, the Others appear to be stuck on the island.
  • Bakunin says a "magnificent man" is the puppet master behind the island and the Others. Kate assumes he's referring to Ben, but Bakunin quickly quashes this notion. Could this "magnificent man" and the enigmatic Jacob be the same person?
  • Bakunin mentions the "list," which is quickly becoming the new "Lost" McGuffin. The list includes individuals who are worthy of being recruited and welcomed into the Other's world. Sneering, Bakunin says his captors don't have list status. "You are not on the list because you are flawed, because you are angry and weak and frightened," Bakunin says with delight.

    Sidenote: Bakunin appears to be directing his criticisms at each of his captors, but I wasn't able to figure out who was flawed, who was angry, who was weak and who was frightened. At first he seems to suggest that Kate = Flawed, Locke = Angry, Sayid = Weak and Rousseau = Frightened (Jack = Doc? Charlie = Dopey?), but moments later Bakunin singles out Locke and seems to suggest that he's somehow different from the rest; that Locke is worthy of being on the list.

    Or maybe I'm making stuff up. If anyone can make sense of this exchange, please post it below.

Unfortunately, the Bakunin revelations are interrupted by Rousseau's discovery of something very interesting

It turns out that the electrical map Sayid discovered in the catacombs of the Flame station is quite useful. Much to Bakunin's chagrin, the map leads the group to a large open field that's protected by a massive "Jurassic Park" security system. Tall metal pylons are installed along the perimeter of the field. Each pylon has two metal domes affixed to opposite sides (the pylons look like really tall guys wearing massive headphones).

Sayid tries to probe Bakunin for details about the security system, but Bakunin merely stretches an eyebrow and invites Sayid to step through the invisible security fence. Like everything on this island, Bakunin says, the fence doesn't work anymore.

Locke -- who's been oddly quiet up to this point -- decides to take action. He grabs Bakunin by the scruff of the neck and shoves him through the pylons.

Godspeed, Mikhail Bakunin.

A loud, rumbling hum emanates from the pylons. Bakunin looks back at his captors.

"Thank you," he says quietly.

Foam bubbles pop and fizz at the sides of Bakunin's mouth. His skin turns red and he shakes violently.

WAHWAHWAHWAHWAH ... the hum grows louder. Bakunin sizzles!

Silence.

Bakunin's dead body hits the ground. His face has the consistency of an overcooked meat patty.

Sayid and Kate stare at Locke, but Locke shrugs off the incident. "My bad, yo."

So, with their prisoner fried and a sonic death fence standing in their way, the Jack Rescue Operation decides to regroup. Kate stares at the pylons and determines that the sonic death fence, is, in fact a fence. And that means they can get over it. All they need is a tree and an axe ... and the axe just happens to be in Locke's backpack.

Sayid picks up Locke's pack and Locke immediately scampers in to try and divert his attention. But it's too late.

Opening the pack, Sayid sees a brick of C4 explosive.

Well, well, well ...

The explosive is from the now-destroyed Flame station, and its presence in Locke's backpack is particularly interesting because -- earlier in this episode -- Locke used ignorance to defend his seemingly inadvertent destruction of the Flame. "If I had known it was rigged with explosives, maybe I would have been more cautious," Locke told Sayid.

But the Backpack Revelation suggests otherwise. Locke did know about the explosives and he still initiated the Flame's failsafe.

Sayid narrows his eyes. Locke's motivation is suddenly called into question: is he trying to rescue Jack, or is he up to something else?

Alas, we'll have to wait until next week's Locke-centric episode to find out. As it stands, the Rescue Group still needs to get over the sonic death fence. So, Team Jack cuts down a tree and leans it against one of the pylons. With squirrel-like athleticism, Kate shimmies up the tree and carefully maneuvers herself over the pylon without incident. Locke, Sayid and Rousseau follow.

And that brings us to the Big Moment.

Using the map, the Rescue Group pushes through thick brush and, in the closing moments of the episode, they reach their destination. Peering out from behind bushes and trees, the group sees the manicured lawns and tidy sidewalks of Dharma World (or Other Land or Hostileville -- we really need a name for this place). It's the same "neighborhood" we saw at the beginning of "A Tale of Two Cities."

Looking around, the group sees Izod-attired Others walking and talking and barbecuing. Suddenly, Kate's eyes snap forward. There's Jack! And he's running full-tilt toward the bushes!

But this is where things get weird.

Jack is in a dead sprint, but it's clear he doesn't see his castaway friends. As he runs, he peeks over his shoulder and extends his hands like a ... wide receiver?

Out of nowhere, a football -- A FOOTBALL -- arcs over Jack's head and lands in his palms. Jack cradles the ball and turns to throw it back to ...

TOM!

Jack is playing long-toss with TOM!?

THUNK. Kate's jaw hits the ground.

And that's when it ends!

Point 4
Island As usual, I'll close with a few questions and observations:
  • Now, I've never been marooned on an island, but if I somehow captured a bird and managed to attach a rescue note to its "science tag," I'd do my best to guarantee that the note could never, ever fall off or get wet. Charlie appears to shove Claire's note into the bird's tag without any notion of keeping it safe or dry.
  • Given the timeline of previous backstories, I'm assuming that the woman Dr. Daddy confronts in "Two for the Road" is actually Clarie's aunt, Lindsay.
  • The island timeline was reestablished in this episode: Claire's rescue note says the castaways have been on the island for 80 days and Bakunin says that the "electromagnetic event" occurred two weeks ago.
  • Sawyer is running out of reading material; this episode's book is "The Fountainhead" by Ayn Rand.
  • The sonic death fence must wreak havoc on the island's land creatures. I'm surprised the perimeter wasn't lined with the bloody corpses of rabbits and boars and polar bears.
  • Speaking of the sonic death fence ... again, I ask, how is it that Rousseau hasn't stumbled upon this thing? Judging from Sayid's map, the Others' compound takes up a significant portion of the island's inland area, and the death fence surrounds additional acreage. Did Rousseau stick to the coastline for 16 years? I just don't buy it.
  • And finally, a few random questions that recently crossed my mind: What happened to the cave camps? Is anyone still living there? When will we revisit the Black Rock? What happened to the "voices" that used to whisper through the trees?

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"The Man from Tallahassee" -- Locke receives an enticing offer and Kate's rescue plan takes an unexpected turn. Airs Wednesday, Mar. 21, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.



Posted by Mac Slocum on March 15, 2007 11:34 AM |




Before noon, even.

You da man, mac!

#1. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 15, 2007 11:43 AM

GRAA, Mac.

So, Claire and Jack are brother and sister - Darth Shepard strikes again. We know it, but they don't. Like a Hitchcockian McGuffin. At least Jack still has both of his hands…which he used to good effect playing football with Tom. Was it just me or was Tom admiring Jack's physique just a little too much?

It seemed like we got introduced to a whole new John Locke this week. First he shoves Patchy into the fence, then we find out not only did he lie about not knowing about the C-4 (my opinion he definitely blew up the Flame hatch on purpose…he is going to do whatever it takes to stay on this island) but that he had even stashed some in his bag. It seemed to me that Locke shoved Patchy into the fence to prevent Patchy's telling Kate and Sayid that he'd been paralyzed and maybe even some Other quality intel about the list and the great man (who I assume is Jacob/Alvar Hanso).

I liked how Claire echoed the viewers frustration when she told Sun she was going to get some answers (from Des). And would they really stop at putting a note on just one bird? Wouldn't it increase their chances of getting rescued if they put notes on as many birds as they could catch?

#2. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 15, 2007 11:46 AM

Dr. Daddy's coffin was found empty by Jack early in season 1, if I recall. So it's possible that when the body turns up, both Jack and Claire will identify it and learn of their true relationship. I doubt they'll do the Luke/Leila thing though.

#3. Posted by: jessica at March 15, 2007 11:56 AM

I'm pretty sure that Patchy was about to say that the John Locke he "knew" was paralyzed, right before he is cut off. I think he got the first two syllables out.

#4. Posted by: IBelieve at March 15, 2007 12:02 PM

Not one of the better episodes, alas. I'm wondering if the introduction of (and prompt adeiu to) a Russian character and the prominent featuring of an Ayn Rand novel are a message. Could Rand's "superman" theme/obsession be a clue to the "magnificent man" Bakunin mentions and to the Others' gathering of people they consider worthy of "the list"?

Or did Sawyer just burn through all the worthwhile books?

#5. Posted by: korper at March 15, 2007 12:06 PM

Great review Mac, I am still laughing. The people at work are wondering what the hell is wrong with me. Well done!

#6. Posted by: John at March 15, 2007 12:14 PM

Great review, as always. Good questions, too. I wondered the same thing about the note on the bird's leg. And how did Clair manage to write an entire book on what looked like a 3"x3" scrap of paper? ha ha ha

Another question:
If the "incident" with the hatch knocked out their communication systems and sonar homing beacon for a submarine, why didn't it knock out the electricity supply as well? Computers, sonic fences, etc. all still seem to function just fine. Why?

Locke became a very interesting character last night. Why would he blow up the Flame? Why would he shove Bakunin into the fence (good call, ransomjackson, on Locke wanting to prevent Bakunin from spilling the beans about Locke having been paralyzed.)?

How fortunate for Dr. Shepard that Claire's Mom was taken to the hospital where his "good friend" happened to work? And that was one hell of a fast trans-pacific flight.

#7. Posted by: Amanda S. at March 15, 2007 12:14 PM

Pleasantville the name of the compound should be Pleasantville.

#8. Posted by: Dana Gabriel at March 15, 2007 12:16 PM

Love reading your recaps Mac! A note on Mikail before he gargled with Alka-Seltzer. He was mentioning the complete names of his captors when he mentioned the list. He claims he must have been mistaken about Locke because the Locke he knew of was para...then he got cut off. Could there actually be something the Dharma people/Others are NOT aware of??!! I found that to be quite intriguing. Also, do you think there may be some cloning going on on the island? That may explain some of the weird behavior of the island residents and why they don't communicate well with each other. I don't know. Pardon my caffeine-induced musings!!

#9. Posted by: TammyD at March 15, 2007 12:17 PM

GRAA, mac.
The two main points I took from this epi.
1) Claire now knows about Desmondo's ability to tell when Charlie is about to die.
B) Locke certainly knew about the C-4 and lied about it earlier. That is really inportant information.

sub-point that Claire and Jack are brother and sister has been theorized for quite a while, and was pretty much a yawner to me. It is nice to know though. I s Mum still alive, or did she die before the flight? Claire looked about 7 months along (according to my wife) so the flight was 3-4 weeks off.

Oh, Jack playing catch with Tom did completely blow me away. I was not expecting jack to have joined Losteria Lane.
Peace out.

#10. Posted by: onelostdude at March 15, 2007 12:19 PM

Losteria Lane! hahahhhaha!

#11. Posted by: katie at March 15, 2007 12:24 PM

As always great recap.
Seems like some one dies every week.
How many episodes have there been when no one dies? I recall one but I don't remember which one it was. This season I think.

#12. Posted by: ronwies at March 15, 2007 12:27 PM

@mac

>Speaking of the sonic death fence ... again, I ask, how is it that Rousseau hasn't stumbled upon this thing? ... Did Rousseau stick to the coastline for 16 years? I just don't buy it.

But Rousseau herself says she's survived by *avoiding* contact, so it seems plausable to me.

Did anyone notice that their "fence avoidance system" was a one way trip? They had to drop from the felled tree. Absent some really impressive gymnastics, they've got no way out again.

So, after presumably having rescued Jack, they plan to stop, fell a tree on the inside, and reconstruct another bridge - while being chased by hostile others?

Or do they plan to disable the fence system while in there?

Did Rousseau go inside the fence with them? I don't recall seeing her in the final scenes.

I had the same thoughts as your analysis of MB's remarks on the Losties list-unsuitableness. At first he seemed to be ascribing a characteristic to each, then it became less clear. I thought he might have been about to tell Locke that he was *almost* good enough to be on the list.

And remember Henry/Ben told Locke while in captivity that he was coming for Locke.

The growing mytery now is: What do the Others conceive as their mission, so important that they are willing to sacrifice their own lives just to avoid the least jeopardy to their security?

Mrs Klugh orders Mikhail to kill her and himself just to avoid falling into the Losties' hands.

Mikhail thanks Locke for killing him by pushing him into the fence.

And don't forget they are quite willing to commit kidnapping and murder to further their goals, whatever they are. What cause is generating such fanatic devotion?

#13. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 15, 2007 12:28 PM

randsomjackson,
I have to agree with you about Locke. Especially after seeing the clips for next weeks show. According to
Bakunin, aka overcooked meat patty, the sub is what gets them to/from the island. Although few will agree, I have to think that Jack & Claire's dad is still kickin'. He's out there...
It was an average episode. Next week looks really good. I'm kinda pumped for the Paulo/Nikki episode as well.
Mac, great job on the "some of us have developed severe intestinal reactions to tropical fruit (Paulo)" line. I'm in a quiet room full of students and they all whipped around and looked at me when I laughed at that.

#14. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 15, 2007 12:33 PM

On the others and their "cause".

Remember that Dharma/Hanso was revealed in the Lost Experience to be fanatic and ruthless in their quest to "save the world". To the extent of murdering African villagers to learn more about one term of the Valenzetti equation. They justified this in terms of "the greater good" of saving mankind.

So we already know that Dharma/Hanso's sense of mission can lead them to despicable acts. This can be an argument that the Others ARE Dharma/Hanso.

Or, conversely, perhaps they are a group fanatically dedicated to *stopping* Dharma/Hanso. If so, they are equally willing to employ immoral means to what they see as a justifying end. This would mesh with the hints of a war between Dharma and the hostiles. Perhaps the reason for their hostility to Dharma is that Dharma was using them, the hostiles, as experimental subjects, just like those African natives.

#15. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 15, 2007 12:42 PM

Great recap/great ep. If the plotholes are becoming big enough to drive a truck through, I mind a lot less, if there is actually a feeling that the plot is going somewhere.

OTOH, some plot holes are narrowing. I guess if Locke is a premeditated arsonist and murderer, all of that black/white imagery associated with him actually takes on real meaning. Put yourself in his shoes (the one's with perfect treads). It's no small thing to recover from paralysis. When it comes to protecting personal secrets, his is, by far, the most powerful character motivation.

Gotta agree with Mac that the sonic fence concept doesn't bear to much close scrutiny as a plot mechanism. Just gotta suspend disbelief and flow with that one to get by it.

The Sayid/Locke dynamic last night was outstanding. Their antagonism and tension was very real, arising from character and circumstance. The actors continue to impress.

#16. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 15, 2007 12:47 PM

These people should be careful what they wish for... Claire wished her mother would die, and Voila! Good as dead. Juliet wished her ex would be hit by a bus and Voila! Dead. So, are they "making" these things happen, or are they simply "remembering" deja-vu style a previous loop and are freaked when it actually happens? (Desmond, Walt and Locke all have little pre-cog things about them as well, some subtle and some not so subtle.)

#17. Posted by: ab at March 15, 2007 12:48 PM

Great Recap Mac, you rock.
Couple of things: did the 7-7 entry on the computer really blow it up or did Locke? Now that we know he LIES about the C-4, perhaps he triggered the explosion rather than it being some computer-dharma-failsafe.
Also, did anyone notice Claire using a piercing gun to pierce someones ears? She doesn't make a very convincing goth OR piercer......;)

#18. Posted by: JOSS at March 15, 2007 12:48 PM

Was Lindsey (Clarie Aunt) the same actress who was in the episode were Jack's dad is at a house late a night beating on the door. I lent out season 2 and can not check with out. They are both blondes.

Still wanting to see Benard and Rose. Did they stay at the beach building more SOS's?

#19. Posted by: michael at March 15, 2007 12:52 PM

Great review as usual mac.

This may have been pointed out already, but don't the most recent Hurley and Claire backstories have in common the "father issues" previously established for many of the other lostaways? I agree with the post that Locke forced Mikhail into the fence to prevent him from revealing anything about him. Also thought Locke could have explained what he did to Mikhail by saying he was testing whether the fence worked.

#20. Posted by: ct at March 15, 2007 12:52 PM

re: I was not expecting jack to have joined Losteria Lane

→ Posted by: onelostdude at March 15, 2007 12:19 PM

I love that name..."Losteria Lane"...good call.

Thanks for the great review Mac

#21. Posted by: lostme at March 15, 2007 12:56 PM

1: Why not just call it "The Barracks"? That's the only official name we have for "Otherville" thus far.

2: It was stated by Hurley some time ago that the nobody lives in the caves anymore.

#22. Posted by: master of kaioken at March 15, 2007 12:58 PM

We've seen in the past that Ben's group knew things about the crash survivors and now we see that Patchy did too. I guess it's safe to now assume that Patchy was in the loop with Ben's clan and that's how he knew everyone's last names?

It was a shame to see Patchy die...I loved the character and the acting was top notch.

Am I the only one getting sick of waiting for Charlie to die? Hopefully they'll close that storyline one way or another soon. I find myself just watching him not paying attention because I'm wondering when it's going to happen.

#23. Posted by: petew at March 15, 2007 12:59 PM

"the map leads the group to a large open field that's protected by a massive "Jurassic Park" security system."

Okay I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I was half-expecting for Mikhail to morph into a monster or something when he started foaming at the mouth, but that notion was quickly dismissed when blood started pouring out of his ears. Didn't quite see that one coming.

@mac I'm pretty sure Mikhail was directing the comments at individuals, but my take was a little different than yours...Flawed=Kate, Angry=Locke, Weak=Rosseau, & Frightened=Sayid, but I'm probably wrong. I also agree that something is up with Rosseau. How could she not have seen all this stuff. She's been there for 16 years!


#24. Posted by: lostfugitive at March 15, 2007 12:59 PM

Something is definitely up with Locke...I found my self not trusting him last night, and I have never had that reaction to him in all my days of viewing Lost. I guess this will be revealed next week, but it's almost as though he knows exactly what is going on and exactly what he wants to destroy/blow up in order to keep himself right where he is: on Lost Island. Perhaps he has known all along...

#25. Posted by: Vikki at March 15, 2007 1:01 PM

Great report as usual, and regardless of anyone's opinion of the episode as a whole, the last few seconds were worth every goth-flashback moment.

No mention of the streamside exchange between Kate and Rousseau:

#1 the resemblance between the two was very obvious in this scene

#2 Rousseau claimed she had no questions about her daughter. Strange considering she was willing to kidnap Claire's baby to offer in exchange for her daughter.

(I tend to agree with a point made elsewhere that Rousseau's inconsistent behavior is either bad writing or she's hiding something. Having read enough interviews by JJ Abrams et. al. -- I think Rousseau's hiding something -- the writers haven't erred that badly)

I also thought a sonic fence would be littered with carcasses - but also think they'd probably clean up periodically to keep any trespassers guessing. It also must be an extremely accurate beam to fry Patchy, but seemingly have no adverse or uncomfortable affects to the expedition party standing so close by. Also thought it was strange that Kate could get so close to the body without harm to herself (since Patchy pretty much dropped dead in the spot where he was fried).

Would like to confirm if football-Jack had a tattoo on his forearm that we have not seen in other episodes? Also, we've mostly (always?) seen Jack on the island in sleeveless shirts, but not this time - this wasn't just Jack feeling civilized in Pleasantville -- methinks they were hiding something from us

#26. Posted by: Zizzy at March 15, 2007 1:04 PM

I love this page! Thanks for all your details it's great. Stupid question but do you have any stroke with ABC on getting Lost back on at 9pm? Because this sucks. Theres nothing on before Lost I want to see. I hate how they have taken advantage of us Lost fans.
Thank you!

#27. Posted by: Dawn at March 15, 2007 1:05 PM

At least with C4 I won't have to worry about PiecesofLocke ever showing up!

The obvious solution to Jack and Claire finding out about Daddy Dearest is for them to stumble upon the body together and simultaneously say, "That's my dad!" Then look at each other, then back at the body, then at each other, etc.

Mikhail seemed to be about to say that the John Locke he 'knew' was a para...
(paraplegic). He also knew their full names so he knew at least enough to have an idea of who they are.

Looking at the Rousseau pic above I though it was Michael J. Fox in a wig!

I think Locke assumed that 77 wouldn't work either so he explored a little, found the C4 and took some then put 2 and 2 together. Maybe he found/took something else that made him want to blow up the Flame. Also I think since Locke was on the kill Mikhail train, he used him as a guinea pig for the fence.

Other boards have named the barracks "Otherville".

I believe Charlie was holding a twisty-tie right before they attached the note to the bird. That should have given the note at least the chance to not fall off.

As for the Great Man/Jacob, what kind of cult of personality does this guy have that Ben, Mikhail and others (and Others) all talk about him as if he is the Reincarnaction? I've never met anybody in real life who I thought,"Wow, this guy can change the world." And why is it hidden from the world if it is such a great idea. That's how nutjobs get people to follow them.

How big is this island? They talk about going miles and miles. Wouldn't some outsider ever notice a huge island even in the middle of the Pacific?

@ransomjackson: Maybe Tom didn't like Kate's type because she wasn't on the list. Besides he needed a new receiver
since they killed Pickett.

@TammyD: Cloning doesn't happen overnight. I don't believe anyone is a clone. I think the island is just as dysfunctional as any other place with different people in it.

#28. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 15, 2007 1:16 PM

At least with C4 I won't have to worry about PiecesofLocke ever showing up!

The obvious solution to Jack and Claire finding out about Daddy Dearest is for them to stumble upon the body together and simultaneously say, "That's my dad!" Then look at each other, then back at the body, then at each other, etc.

Mikhail seemed to be about to say that the John Locke he 'knew' was a para...
(paraplegic). He also knew their full names so he knew at least enough to have an idea of who they are.

Looking at the Rousseau pic above I though it was Michael J. Fox in a wig!

I think Locke assumed that 77 wouldn't work either so he explored a little, found the C4 and took some then put 2 and 2 together. Maybe he found/took something else that made him want to blow up the Flame. Also I think since Locke was on the kill Mikhail train, he used him as a guinea pig for the fence.

Other boards have named the barracks "Otherville".

I believe Charlie was holding a twisty-tie right before they attached the note to the bird. That should have given the note at least the chance to not fall off.

As for the Great Man/Jacob, what kind of cult of personality does this guy have that Ben, Mikhail and others (and Others) all talk about him as if he is the Reincarnaction? I've never met anybody in real life who I thought,"Wow, this guy can change the world." And why is it hidden from the world if it is such a great idea. That's how nutjobs get people to follow them.

How big is this island? They talk about going miles and miles. Wouldn't some outsider ever notice a huge island even in the middle of the Pacific?

@ransomjackson: Maybe Tom didn't like Kate's type because she wasn't on the list. Besides he needed a new receiver
since they killed Pickett.

@TammyD: Cloning doesn't happen overnight. I don't believe anyone is a clone. I think the island is just as dysfunctional as any other place with different people in it.

#29. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 15, 2007 1:17 PM

Sorry about the double post :(

#30. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 15, 2007 1:18 PM

Great Recap Mac,

I swear, I look forward to your recaps each week as much as I do to the new episodes.

I remember the exchange between Mikhail and the losties where he tells them why they're not on the list. After his little "flawed" speech, Sayid said to Mikhail that he speaks as if he know them, but that he doesn't know anything about them. At this point Mikhail puts on his best evil Wishmaster grin and says, "You are right Sayid Jarra, how could I know any of you, or you Kate Austin, or even you John Locke. I do have a fading memory of a John Locke, but it couldn't possibly be you because that John was pa. . . ." that's when Rousseau called their attention to the pylons. Mikhail didn't even bother to turn around when she called, he just kept staring at Locke with that evil grin. He almost announced John's secret paralysis recovery to everyone. If everyone remembers there is only one other person inthe entire losties camp that knows about John, that would be Rose.

Anyway, I loved that part of the scene, it showed the losties that the Others' resources stretch pretty far.

Great job Mac.

#31. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 15, 2007 1:19 PM

I don't understand why Locke would kill patchy just to not reveal he was paralyzed. We all know that Walk and Rose both knew. He told Walt and Rose saw him at the airport so why would he care if they all knew? I know Walt is gone but Rose is still on the island..I think right? I know we have not seen her or Bernard in a long time but they are still there, so why would this paralyzed thing be such a big secret for Locke?

One final comment....the ending was so kick ass..here we see Jack looking like he's trying to bust free and then cathes the football!! HA HA that was so classic, I loved it. And it's so nice to see him actauly having a nice time and not being such a puss ass!!

#32. Posted by: heyya at March 15, 2007 1:20 PM

Great review as always, Mac!

Two things. First, Locke totally murdered eye-patch guy because the dude knew he was crippled. Bakunin was about the spill the beans about Locke's legs before Rousseau interrupted.

And second, when will the Dingo eat Claire's baby?

#33. Posted by: Rob at March 15, 2007 1:20 PM

I believe when we last saw Locke's dad he was about to receive his new kidney. His last words to Locke were (and I'm paraphrasing) "See you in the next life". I'm thinking he's going to turn up on that island in some capacity, just as Desmond did. Perhaps he's "Mr. Big". Any thoughts?

#34. Posted by: bst at March 15, 2007 1:21 PM

A few thoughts I haven't seen yet ......

(1) I am thinking the reason the fence did not have a slew of dead animals is that it emanates a 'tone' that animals can hear, but not people. Kinda like the dog whistle concept.

(2) The blowing up of the flame did not disrupt the other island power sources because it was only a communication station .... not a power station.

(3) The map they looked at to see if the 'tall guys with headphones' completely encircled Hooterville showed subterranean passages (at 20ft below ground level) going under the perimeter, according to screen shots at this url (http://lost.cubit.net/viewEgg.php?id=239)

#35. Posted by: Saminator at March 15, 2007 1:22 PM

If I remember correctly, in one of the past episodes Locke talked about how to delay an explosion. If so, he definitely could have intentionally blown up The Flame station. We already know that he knew about the C4 and didn't look all that surprised when the thing exploded.

But what are his plans for the C4? I'm guessing he's going after Ben for some answers.

#36. Posted by: copwife at March 15, 2007 1:23 PM

Something that crossed my mind...when Patchy was about to announce that he remembered Locke's paralysis, it almost seemed to me that Rousseau interrupted him on purpose so he wouldn't finish.

I found it odd that she stopped him like that and wonder if it wasn't because of what she saw, but because of what she didn't want him to say.

Anyone else get that vibe?

#37. Posted by: petew at March 15, 2007 1:23 PM

great as always MAC!

Hmmm, I think this episode may deserve a re watch as there are many LITTLE things that frittered on our screens. Chief among these is good old Locke. Mikhail's dismissal of his captors being not on the list and then making the assertion that Locke is different is very interesting for a few reasons:

1) When Mikhail is pushed into the perimeter, I think his 'Thank You' is maybe two-fold, the first being a thank you for ridding me the misery of living on this island and doing things and being bored, etc.

Second, I think he may have said Thank You in reference to Locke and his possible future connection to the Others. Maybe the thank you was like "thanks for coming among us and taking us in a new direction"

GASP--yes, I think someway, somehow, Locke is gonna have an important part to play with the Others after he gets over his anger issues and goes all Obi-Locke for good.

2) On a different note, I think the writers have deftly setup an interesting Desmond Charlie conflict. Brother Desmond has saved Charlie many times but it can't go on forever. If Desmond goes away, Charlie is screwed. This could set up a LOT of tension.

3) I still think Daddy Shepard is alive and well, just not sure where he is at the moment. His actual dead body has never been shown, so..........

that's it for now

#38. Posted by: JP at March 15, 2007 1:25 PM

""""Something that crossed my mind...when Patchy was about to announce that he remembered Locke's paralysis, it almost seemed to me that Rousseau interrupted him on purpose so he wouldn't finish.

I found it odd that she stopped him like that and wonder if it wasn't because of what she saw, but because of what she didn't want him to say.

Anyone else get that vibe?""""

I got that vibe as well..there is something not right with Roussou..don't know what but there is something she is hiding.
I still don't get why Locke cares if they all know he was paralyzed..stranger things have happened on the island I don't think they would even care

#39. Posted by: heyya at March 15, 2007 1:27 PM

Thanks, Mac. Awesome, as always. Here are the things on my mind:

(1) Rousseau -- There is NO way that all of this terrain and Otherville bergs (the blown up flame station, Lsotie Lane) are new to Rousseau. She's been living off the land for 16 years and we are supposed to believe that not ONCE has she come across either of these two locales? No. I don't believe it. Either it is a massive character flaw/story inconsistency or (hopefully) something that will be explained in the future.

(2) Daddy Issues -- I still think that is a common thread among the castaways. Think about it. Locke, Jack, Claire, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Walt,(to an extent). Too many to be simply coincidental.

(3) The list. Ok this list business is confusing me. Supposedly, jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley were on the list which is why Michael was asked to go back to camp and bring this group to the Others. But, Ana Lucia discovered a lsit on one of the Others that she killed and said that the names of the tailies were on it, particularly the kids' names that were missing. I am pretty sure that I remember that AL said her own name was NOT on the list. I think this was confirmed in her conversation with Goodwin before she killed him.

So....are Kate and Sawyer really on the lsit? Were they and then got dropped from the list after being observed for a time period? After tests were run on them? We were led to believe that Hurley was only on Michael's list b/c they needed someone to go back to camp to deliver the "stay away" message. If anyone else has thoguhts on this, please share. I'm still hung up on the Daddy Issues thing.

(3) Locke. Is it possible that when he entered 7-7 on the computer that he didn't know the result would be an explosion of the hut? Maybe he snagged the explosive (an extra) from the room with the computer and didn't know the entire house was wired. I don't recall him being down in the basement at all. was he? Maybe he truly took the C4 for future use/protection, entered 77 on the screen out of curiosity (he had already responded to all the other prompts) and did it without knowing the reuslt would be an explosion. Just a thought.

Anyone have any predictions about what caused Lock's paralysis?

All for now. Off to a meeting!

#40. Posted by: GatorGal at March 15, 2007 1:28 PM

3) I still think Daddy Shepard is alive and well, just not sure where he is at the moment. His actual dead body has never been shown, so..........

that's it for now


→ Posted by: JP at March 15, 2007 01:25 PM

They showed Jack identifying his dad's body in the first season.

#41. Posted by: Josh at March 15, 2007 1:28 PM

This list thing is driving me nuts! Has Jack assimilated into Losteria Lane, or is he playing them? And if they have embraced him and allowed him "in" because he was on the list, does this mean he is flawless? I think that idea would be up for debate...

Do we have any conclusive evidence of who exactly IS on this list, or have we only ever been told who is NOT on the list? I seemed to remember hearing about who is not over and over and over...

#42. Posted by: Vikki at March 15, 2007 1:29 PM

Maybe I am missing something here, but why is it such a big deal that Locke was paralyzed? Was he paralyzed when he got on the plane and then not paralyzed after the crash?

In the episode where Locke goes into the sweat lodge and has visions, isn't he being pushed through the airport in a wheelchair?

#43. Posted by: FirstTimeLongTime at March 15, 2007 1:32 PM

Copwife,

"But what are his plans for the C4?"

Did you see the promos for next weeks show? If you taped the show, watch the promo right after it says "Bad Robot!"

Next weeks promos gave me chills!!!!

#44. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 15, 2007 1:33 PM

Great recap... LOL at the "Losteria Lane" post...I think that's a keeper.

#45. Posted by: rentagoodbook at March 15, 2007 1:33 PM

""""Anyone have any predictions about what caused Lock's paralysis?""""

I think it has something to do with his dad..not sure what but I don't think it was a simple accident..if it was a car accident or something like that then I think he was tailing his dad and got hit??

#46. Posted by: heyya at March 15, 2007 1:34 PM

Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley were on the list given to Michael. Hurley was just for relaying the message. Jack was on the list to remove Ben's tumor. One of the Others mentioned that Jack was not on Jacob's list. This leaves Kate and Sawyer as the only tow on Michael's list that are on Jacob's master list.

The list AL found off the dead Other probably only contained the Tailies names that Goodwin was able to provide.

#47. Posted by: Josh at March 15, 2007 1:34 PM

There's definitely something off about Danielle. I didn't see her with Kate, Sayid and Locke when they discovered Jack playing football--did she crawl over the tree or stay on the other side? Seems strange that she would stay behind if she came along to find her daughter.

I think Danielle was an Other, but that something happened and she was cast away from their society and banished to another part of the island. She's been there too long to never have stumbled upon the Flame or the pylons before. Maybe we will soon see that she is branded like Juliet?

#48. Posted by: copwife at March 15, 2007 1:35 PM

I don't know if it has been asked yet or not, but who mows around the sonic death fence?

#49. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 15, 2007 1:41 PM

Rousseau say, in this episode, "Imagine it is 60 years from now...etc" 60 years! How old is she really? Do you age slowly on the island? Is she 80, 90 or more?

I noticed Sun seemed to completely drop her accent again in this episode. Is there some reason for this? It bugs me.

#50. Posted by: Afleetingmemory at March 15, 2007 1:47 PM

Thank you Mac!

- The list thing ... Yes, Kate and Sawyer were on the list at the end of season 2. When they were on Alcatraz, they had their blood drawn. Then, during this episode, Mikhail talks about them *not* being on the list. Could the blood tests the Others are doing have something to do with the lists?

- Locke .... sneaky. Something's going on. It is a relief, too, because everybody was talking about how DUMB he was last week. Now we know that there's something else going on.

- Jack's Dad ... For a while, I too thought he was alive because of that empty coffin episode. But, I agree -- they showed Jack identifying the body of his dead father earlier. So I think he's dead.

- Rousseau ... I agree. Sneaky, sneaky. Something is not right.

- I hope Bernard and Rose show up soon, even just a cameo. Not seeing them is kinda killing the continuity of the show for me. Plus, there was that theory about the Hatch/Magnetic Thing having healing powers. So now that it's been blown, is that why Henry's tumor came back? What about Rose's cancer?

- Call me crazy, but I'm sensing that the show is channeling THE WIZARD OF OZ. Why did I get a weird sense of deja vu during the Mikhail scene? I saw Kate, Sayid, and Locke as the Tin Woodsman, Lion, and Scarecrow, on their way to Oz to see the Wizard, a "magnificent" man.

- Am I double-crazy? Locke = Jacob ??

Oy, this show is great!

#51. Posted by: Matt at March 15, 2007 1:48 PM

@ copwife,

I was also thinking Danielle was cast out of the group or branded. Or perhaps she was given a death sentence and escaped. She would try and avoid the others to save her meaningless dirty/grimey existance.

#52. Posted by: John at March 15, 2007 1:48 PM

Anyone have any theories about what's going on with Jack? Brainwashed? Drugged? Or just making the best of his current situation?

I think he's making the best of his current situation, since he did make a sort of deal with Ben to get off the island. I don't think nearly enough time has passed for brainwashing to work, and I think he seemed too physically and mentally fit to be drugged.

#53. Posted by: copwife at March 15, 2007 1:48 PM

I've just got to say that I am lovin' this show. Even the answers that are simple (or seem to simple to be the whole explanation) are enough to keep me wanting more. Then there are those simple answers that are enough to satisfy me.

I was also wondering how, or rather if, Jack and Claire will ever discover their paternal connection. The how is not the big mystery for me, but rather how it will cause them to react, what impact will it have on the characters dynamic. What will it mean in the larger scheme of things.

I think they'll find out from the Others. There will be some kind of confrontation and they'll mention it in passing to Jack, who will refuse to believe it, until he remembers exactly what kind of person Christian Shephard was and then he'll sulkingly accept the news.

#54. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 15, 2007 1:55 PM

I saw Danielle in one the shots while they were scouting Camp Pinewood. I think Jack is playing along until he and Juliet can escape and work on producing a Doogie Howser. Wow, Claire's lost the baby weight I guess...no lady lumps whatsoever. Obviously Dharma formula is much better than teet milk...is she ever with the kid? Passing him off to Uncle Gin every few hours ain't gonna win her MOTY.

#55. Posted by: diggler at March 15, 2007 1:56 PM

Locke knows EXACTLY what he's doing, because this is his second time on the island. Unlike Desmond, he's keeping his "premonitions" to himself and is systematically altering the outcome of things he knows he can change, such as his paralysis. He is blowing up hatches, taking C4, etc. to help him get to whatever his final destination is. He KNEW Patchy would die when he pushed him into that sonic fence. Now...what is his final plan? His cockiness of late makes me think (again) that he has his plan all laid out in his mind.

#56. Posted by: Toe at March 15, 2007 1:58 PM

IMHO Jack is just making the best of a bad situation. He probably saw the security perimeter when he was brought to Losteria Lane (luv the name) and he was most likely warned about what it would do to him if he tried to cross it. Having all that info he's decided that he has no choice but to hope that Ben lives up to his end of the bargain and releases him after he's recovered. It's not that far of a stretch, after all, Jack saw Ben release Michael and Walt after the deal Michael made with the Others was completed. He might honestly beleive that Ben will do the same at the end of their deal.

#57. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 15, 2007 2:01 PM

In regard to the "list," I think there are 2 lists that are getting confused with each other. The first list was found on a dead Other by Ana Lucia. Eko killed 2 others when they were trying to kidnap more people. Ana Lucia found a list with names on it, and it didn't include her own name (confirmed by Goodwin). And when Ben sends Ethan and Goodwin into the jungle to look for survivors of the plane crash, he tells them to "blend in," and to bring him "names."

The second list we're all thinking of is the "Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Jack" list that Mrs. Klugh gives to Michael. She tells him to bring those 4 people back to the Others camp. Hurley was chosen to be the messenger. The real purpose of the kidnappings was to get Jack to do surgery on Ben. They took Kate and Sawyer with Jack because they needed a way to convince Jack to do the surgery. They did that by making Kate think they would kill Sawyer. They sent Kate in to plead with Jack to do the surgery. It's a classic technique used in situations where you want to get someone to do something. You find what will motivate them, and in this case, Jack's motivation was to make Kate happy. And Kate's motivation was to save Sawyer. Bada bing, bada boom.

So, the list that Bakunin was referring to last night, I think, was the original list that Ethan and Goodwin compiled.

Sorry for the long ass post. I couldn't be more succinct than that.

#58. Posted by: Amanda S. at March 15, 2007 2:05 PM

Sorry in advance for the long post.

Another goofy-ass theory from the cheap seats…meeting a new John Locke last night brought this to mind.

Somehow Locke was replaced with a doppelganger on the beach. That could explain how he is now able to walk (new body) but retains all of his memories and possibly any new implanted memories or ulterior motivations (like blowing up hatches and killing Russians). Also, when Locke looked Smoky (who I still believe to be telekinetically-controlled black sand) in the eye (like when the alien looked at Sigourney in Alien 3), Smoky recognized the New Locke as one of their own and therefore did not kill him. The memories of the original people could have been transplanted into cloned bodies. This could very well apply to Rose as well, though we may never know because she seems to have disappeared.

If these Others are some sort of clones, they arguably could be unable to reproduce (like mules, or the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park) and would therefore require an influx of chuildren to propagate the species, and might require a very controlled environment in which to live and be studied for suitability. Some key individuals (e.g., Ben) would be left in tact to run the operation and ensure its success, but some (Juliet, Ethan) would have to be shipped in to assist and document shortcomings so the species can be improved before being loosed on an unsuspecting world. One could argue that such a civilization would be idyllic, sort of a Stepford Wives meets The Island of Dr. Moreau, and just might be worth killing and dying for.

Ayn Rand's Superman, the book Evil Twin, Good Ones vs. Bad Ones...there've been several other hints that could be said to fit.

Will the real John Locke please sit down?

#59. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 15, 2007 2:06 PM

@Toe...I think you might be on to something about Locke....

#60. Posted by: Vikki at March 15, 2007 2:14 PM

So I see some of you noticed the left over fencing from the Jurassic park flick!
I was wondering how many other people would catch that :)

#61. Posted by: Doebe13 at March 15, 2007 2:19 PM

@GatorGal:
Last week I posted what I thought was how Locke was injured:
After Helen dumped Locke in the airport motel parking lot for associating with his father, Locke goes to the airport to have a final confrontation with his father who had ruined his only chance for happiness. When Locke gets to the gate, he finds his father boarding the plane to South America with Helen! Locke is devastated by the double cross con. He returns to the motel to get the $200k share of his father's con, only to find the thugs his father ripped off in the room. The thugs confront Locke who says take what's left of the money on the table, his $200k. But when the thug opens the package, he finds paper and not currency. Locke realizes that his father triple crossed him. As he turns to flee the room, he is shot in the back. The wound cripples him, physicially and emotionally. He vows to not trust anyone else; and make decisions only for his own benefit.

#62. Posted by: welh at March 15, 2007 2:22 PM

Jack's just making the best of a bad situation, and biding his time until he can escape. No way is he brainwashed or drugged.

And I agree that something fishy is happening with Rousseau. No way has she been there 16 years and not seen this stuff. No way. If so, the writers are making a huge continuity error.

@Matt: Ben was aware he had a tumor before the purple sky incident. And who is to say his tumor "came back"? We don't know it was something he'd had before. I think it's a stretch to say there is a connection between the islands healing powers and the hatch. But who the hell really knows, right?

I frickin' love this show.

Oh, and last night, my hubby and I said they should change the name of the show to "List," instead of "Lost," given how many lists there are and all the confusion surrounding said lists.

Definitely there are connections to Wizard of Oz. @Matt: you should do some searches of other blogs and chat rooms to see all the discussion around that. Lots of interesting comparisons.

#63. Posted by: Amanda S. at March 15, 2007 2:23 PM

Thanks for the great update. I have been lurking since the middle of season 2, when I became too busy to keep up with the posts. We had a bad storm last night and my DVR was apparently disrupted during taping, because the show ended as Claire was confronting Desmond by the beach. :( Regarding Rousseau, I think she knew about the pilons...she's not too forthcoming about much of anything. Regarding Claire, yea she's cute, but too whiny for my taste. Regarding Patch's criticisms, I think Kate is definitely the angry one. Thanks for the great update.

#64. Posted by: silkyway at March 15, 2007 2:28 PM

It seems to me that the killing effect of the sonic fence would only be localized to the area BETWEEN two pylons and that it is a deterent for animals that would be on the island.

Patchy got fried because he stood there and took it. At that point he was under orders (by Ms. Klugh) to kill himself.

If Patchy had kept running, he would have let the Losties know that they could get through the fence relatively easily. By killing himself, he follows orders as well as gives misinformation to our heroes.

#65. Posted by: Bill at March 15, 2007 2:31 PM

I am going to give Rousseau the benefit of the doubt here. Think about it - the woman arrives on a island with a group of scientists, all of whom are 'stricken' with some sort of illness and she's the only survivor. If that's not enough to scare the pants of of you, would you really go exploring the massive jungle, alone, or would you hide out in your own little hole in the ground, only leaving to check the booby traps once in a while?

I totally believe that these areas are new to her, because she's been living the sheltered life for 16 years.

@Afleetingmemory - I think Rousseau said '16 years', not 60, because that's how long ago Alex was taken from her. She is sure that Alex would remember her from that long ago, let alone the fact that she was merely an infant.

#66. Posted by: Keluha at March 15, 2007 2:36 PM

@welh:

Wow - that's a very plausable theory. I like.

#67. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 15, 2007 2:36 PM

This episode confirms my long-held belief that the Others know so much about the Losties, because "Jacob" is one of them. I think "the list" consists of the people who survived until some point in the future, when "Jacob" (Locke?) discovers the island's secret, and inadvertently transports himself back in time. With knowledge of the future, he amassed a fortune and established the outpost on the island, waiting for the plane crash he knew would come. I'm assuming that he wants to prevent the "accident" this time around, and needs key personnel from the Losties camp to make it so.

Or some variation thereof ...

#68. Posted by: ealgumby at March 15, 2007 2:37 PM

I am going to give Rousseau the benefit of the doubt here. Think about it - the woman arrives on a island with a group of scientists, all of whom are 'stricken' with some sort of illness and she's the only survivor. If that's not enough to scare the pants of of you, would you really go exploring the massive jungle, alone, or would you hide out in your own little hole in the ground, only leaving to check the booby traps once in a while?

I totally believe that these areas are new to her, because she's been living the sheltered life for 16 years.

@Afleetingmemory - I think Rousseau said '16 years', not 60, because that's how long ago Alex was taken from her. She is sure that Alex would remember her from that long ago, let alone the fact that she was merely an infant.

#69. Posted by: Keluha at March 15, 2007 2:37 PM

It seems like Locke hasn't yet decided that he DOES want to join the others... YET. It just seems like he wants to find out more. The barracks situation is clearly going to remind him of the weed commune he misses.

JOSS made a good point, just above. We don't know what happened when Locke pressed 7-7. One more question/thing to look for in future flashbacks.

#70. Posted by: Herobill at March 15, 2007 2:38 PM

@Cecil

I was wondering about Rousseau too. Did not see her cross fence, nor anytime after. Did she pull y'olde I survive by not checking things out line?

@petew

Not only was Patchy in the loop, but it is likely he was the one who got the info and passed it on. He was in charge of communication to the outside world!

Locke

Locke is one angry mo-fo!

From his backstories, we know that he has been betrayed many times. This explains his trust issues. He relies on his own instincts, and as we have seen, sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it is a bust. We may all atribute obi-wan like qualities to him, but he is human, o too human!

No doubt, after spending 4 years confined in a chair, the miracle of walking has definately messed his head about the island (whom he communicated with).

He is not an "Other" - he is just a messed up dude following his own wierd belief system, which takes priority over anyone and everyone, no matter how nice he is at times to fellow human beings. We've seen several occasions when he is more than willing to risk other peoples lives to follow his own gut instinct, and he will continue to do so....

I think it is key top recall that before Locke chucked Patchy to the fence, Patchy claimed that the fence was no longer functional. Locke was testing Patchies truthfulness. No doubt, he felt keeping Patchy alive was more risk than gain ("I like Dogs").

#71. Posted by: shikotee at March 15, 2007 2:41 PM

GRAA Mac!

A few observations and then thoughts about other people's comments.

1. Dr. Shepherd. Wow - something big is building there. Maybe he isn't dead. I never really considered that because it was all too hokey (empty coffin and all that) but we all know that the Other Recruiters have no qualms about showing up in a morgue. (Rememeber them talking to Juliet in one?) Maybe Dr. Shepherd is a big allmight Other leader and faked his own death. It's not like Jack actually examined him, he just ID'd him. Hmm.

2. Onelostdude - I also vote for Losteria Lane. I love it!

3. Heyya - I agree. Why is it so crucial to Locke for people NOT to know he was paralyzed. I can't wait til next week to find out more about that! It's got to be more than just an ego thing.

4. Rob - LMAO on the dingo line.

5. Copwife - the idea of Danielle being branded like Juliet....very interesting. I like that possibility. I was troubled by her answer to Kate as to why she's not asking about Alex. Sure, its painful to find out about her life because she's not been a part of her, but I just can't imagine a mother not wanting to know EVERYTHING if given the opportunity to finally get information about her long-ago kidnapped daughter. Something really doesn't add up here. I want a Danielle Rousseau flashback!!!

LOST is back and with a vengence. The past few weeks have been the best yet!

#72. Posted by: hookedonlost at March 15, 2007 2:45 PM

How about this Rousseu theory:

She was part of the original Dharma Initiative and a part of the PURGE war with the hostiles. Her distress signal could have been sent when she realized that all was about to be lost. She may be the last living member of the original Dharma Initiative. The war took place around the same time she "claims" she and her team were shipwrecked. When she kidnapped Aaron it was to probably try and get into the good graces of the Others by bringing them an offering, she may have thought they would let her join their community and reunite with her daughter if she brought them something of value, i.e.: a perfect baby boy. She keeps saying that they lie, that asking them questions is pointless because they always lie. How would she know this unless she's had extensive contact with them in the past. Just a thought.

#73. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 15, 2007 2:45 PM

@Mr. Grimm

Roussseau - Dharma

I was thinking the same thing. It would explain her claim to be a scientist/researcher. It would also provide insight towards her reluctance to go near Dharma structures. It would also explain why she treated Sayid as she did when she first encountered him - she thought he was one of the hostiles hunting her down.

Also - it might explain why she cut Patchy off when he was giving info on each. Patchy had named 3of4 - maybe she thought he would reveal her details next?

#74. Posted by: shikotee at March 15, 2007 2:57 PM

Mac,

It's been awhile since I've posted anything. i must say this is your funniest review ever.

The only thing i want to add is in the beginning of the episode when Claire first wakes up in the car and looks at the odometer, the total miles on the car is 108 (the infamous number strikes again!)

Also, when Dr. Sheperd went to visit Claire at the tattoo parlor, one of the tattoo designs on the wall was a decorative version of the name HURLEY. Got to love tivo. Just a couple of observations I've made.

#75. Posted by: Sam at March 15, 2007 2:59 PM

Mac,

It's been awhile since I've posted anything. i must say this is your funniest review ever.

The only thing i want to add is in the beginning of the episode when Claire first wakes up in the car and looks at the odometer, the total miles on the car is 108 (the infamous number strikes again!)

Also, when Dr. Sheperd went to visit Claire at the tattoo parlor, one of the tattoo designs on the wall was a decorative version of the name HURLEY. Got to love tivo. Just a couple of observations I've made.

#76. Posted by: Sam at March 15, 2007 3:00 PM

I thought for sure that bird was going to fly into an invisible force field surround the island and get zapped like the Ruskie! Come on, who else thought that?!

Dead Daddy's gotta be pretty decomposed by now on that humid island :P

#77. Posted by: Connie at March 15, 2007 3:05 PM

Dr. Shepherd

The absence of his body was definately done on purpose by the writers - it is just a question of how significant this is.

Was death faked? Where is the body?
Dead or alive, he will be used at some point to link Claire to Jack as bro and sister, though this may be somewhere in season 4 or 5.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is somehow linked to Dharma/Jacob's minions. Perhaps there is more motivation behind his alcoholism than meets the eye?

It would certainly explain why he was down in the land down under shagging Claire's mom, and sticking around off and on throughout her first two years of life. Perhaps he was also working on the island?

#78. Posted by: shikotee at March 15, 2007 3:06 PM

@ piecesofartz..
I though it was Michael J. Fox in a wig! That was great! LOL

I will not take credit for "Losteria Lane." I read it on the web, from this site I thought, but I guess not.
Great show.

#79. Posted by: onelostdude at March 15, 2007 3:07 PM

@copwife: Jack did tell them to not come look for him so he has probably stopped thinking about trying to escape and assumes they will listen to him.

#80. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 15, 2007 3:09 PM

Rousseau does look like him in Back to the Future II playing his daughter, doesn't she? LOL - I never realized before.

#81. Posted by: hoookedonlost at March 15, 2007 3:11 PM

@RansomJackson

I like your cloning theory, seems to gel well with Jack playing football (a clone, perhaps?) But then I started thinking about why Jack would be playing football. Doesn't Jack (or Matthew Fox) act in 'We Are Marshall', a football movie? We recently saw Hurley drive a "Little Miss Sunshine" bus. Desmond played Jesus in a recent movie, and knows the future. The writers are just toying with us. Matthew Fox probably joked about how to add football to a scene, and a smart writer edited in this unbelievable ending. Jack would never betray his fellow losties.

#82. Posted by: Loz at March 15, 2007 3:11 PM

Does anyone think that we may find out that the "friend" that told Dr. Shepard about Claire's mom is a part of the DARHMA organization, or maybe I am just shooting in the dark. I think that there is a possibility that Dr. Shepard may be involved.

#83. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 15, 2007 3:17 PM

Wow....I got pretty turned on watching Kate climbing that tree. Are we sure that our Ruskie cyclops is dead? Maybe he faked it with a mouth full of alka seltzer

#84. Posted by: redhotryan at March 15, 2007 3:17 PM

Is the revelation that Jack and Claire have the same father that big? It would have been bigger news if her father wasn't Christian Shephard. The Lost writers have been force feeding us "clues" for 2+ seasons. I am glad they finally resolved it but why is everyone saying it was so huge?

#85. Posted by: Getting Tired Quick at March 15, 2007 3:17 PM

Is the revelation that Jack and Claire have the same father that big? It would have been bigger news if her father wasn't Christian Shephard. The Lost writers have been force feeding us "clues" for 2+ seasons. I am glad they finally resolved it but why is everyone saying it was so huge?

#86. Posted by: Getting Tired Quick at March 15, 2007 3:18 PM

Is the revelation that Jack and Claire have the same father that big? It would have been bigger news if her father wasn't Christian Shephard. The Lost writers have been force feeding us "clues" for 2+ seasons. I am glad they finally resolved it but why is everyone saying it was so huge?

#87. Posted by: Getting Tired Quick at March 15, 2007 3:18 PM

Is the revelation that Jack and Claire have the same father that big? It would have been bigger news if her father wasn't Christian Shephard. The Lost writers have been force feeding us "clues" for 2+ seasons. I am glad they finally resolved it but why is everyone saying it was so huge?

#88. Posted by: Getting Tired Quick at March 15, 2007 3:19 PM

Is the revelation that Jack and Claire have the same father that big? It would have been bigger news if her father wasn't Christian Shephard. The Lost writers have been force feeding us "clues" for 2+ seasons. I am glad they finally resolved it but why is everyone saying it was so huge?

#89. Posted by: Getting Tired Quick at March 15, 2007 3:19 PM

Sorry about the double post.

#90. Posted by: Getting Tired Quick at March 15, 2007 3:21 PM

weak: locke, bc of the wheel chair and what a sucker he's been in the past
angry: sayid, or maybe flawed, he does feel bad about his war activities, so he could be flawed or angry/both
flawed: kate, we know kate hasn't been an angel, she could be the angry one though, after punching out klugh, you can see she is clearly pissed, she was kidnapped as were her friends
frightened: rousseau, she avoids many things and was very guarded when sayid stumbled upon her as well as in other situations

#91. Posted by: nic at March 15, 2007 3:28 PM

Okay- I’m eating a little crow here because I thought Locke blowin’ up The Flame was an innocent mistake. Clearly he knew about the C4 now. So what happened? “If there has been an incursion by the Hostiles enter 77” or whatever DID NOT trigger the explosion. It triggered another message that gave Locke specific instruction on how to do it himself, and also offered him a side mission for power-ups at Losteria Lane!

I refuse to eat crow over this show again. “The John Locke I knew was a para…” “Look shiny object!!!” Next week we find out Locke was a paramedic 

I think the Jack/Claire relationship will come out once they both meet up with Daddy- but I think Daddy’s gonna be another incarnation of Smokey, Like Eko’s bro.

Rousseau wicked knows way more about what’s going on. I’m wondering if she’s really out to get her kid or if she’s really keeping tags on the Scooby gang for an as yet unknown buncha peeps on the island.

I’m Getting Tired Quick too man. What the funk was that?

#92. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 15, 2007 3:29 PM

I was just thinking - Whatever happened to Rose and Sam?!

#93. Posted by: Connie at March 15, 2007 3:33 PM

@PiecesofArzt...Who said the cloning had to happen overnight? Who knows how long Dharma has been watching or been involved with our Losties. Perhaps there is growth accelerant, like in Star Wars. Far-fetched? No more than the smoke monster that shows you a Tivoed version of your life or finding an old bus with rancid Dharma beer.

#94. Posted by: TammyD at March 15, 2007 3:35 PM

@hookedonlost: I never considered the possibility of Dr. Shepherd faking his own death. Interesting theory.

Since Jack had ID'd him and the producers said that no one would ever come back from the dead, I'd always assumed that he was dead and gone. But if he was involved with Dharma it would somehow make sense if he faked his own death. And you have to wonder how Jack and Claire could possibly figure out their connection without him. Unless one of the Others (Ben?) reveals it.

#95. Posted by: copwife at March 15, 2007 3:36 PM

With the rise of the Locke Ness Monster persona, I believe that two show themes are colliding for attention. The main characters have shown two distinct attributes: first, they had serious daddy/parent issues; second, they were all running away from their past/friends/family/law/expectations. No matter what these runaways do, there are slowly turning into their parents that they ran away from in the first place. Locke is a prime example of this change in full bloom: he was a hard working, ethical guy who got conned by his father, dumped by his girlfriend, duped by drug farmers and the law, ran away to Australia to be denied his last chance, but on the island he "found" his new self which is turning himself into his cold blooded father. At the very least, Locke should have assumed that the fence was electrified (since he had been at a hatch with electronics in good working order) so when he shoved Patchy through the pylons, he was unconcerned whether he was electrocuted (or in this case sonic-smoothied) by the security system. Just like his father, he did not care who got hurt so long as he got his way.

#96. Posted by: welh at March 15, 2007 3:40 PM

just read the wizard of oz theory small but a good one...in the w of oz they need a heart (weak), brain (flawed), courage (frightened), home (angry)...could be...

#97. Posted by: nic at March 15, 2007 3:42 PM

No clones.
No implanted memories.
No time travel.
No phones, lotsa lights, no motor cars, but plenty of luxuries!

Jack's/Clair's daddy dearest is dead, I still maintain. The writers have always claimed that once a character is dead he/she is truly dead. Dr. Shepard Sr. died in real non-island life in a real morgue and was really identified as croaked by Jack. I think it would be REALLY cheesy for the writers to make him be alive now. All of the backstories about his destructive nature and alcoholism have lead to the truth the he drunk himself to death. I don't think they're trying to mislead us about that.

And isn't it plausible that the corpse fell out of the opened casket when the plane broke apart? And fell into the sea and is now Dharma shark bait? I'd believe that before I'd believe that he drunkenly faked his own death.

I agree with Mr. Grimm and other's points about Jack making the best of his current captive situation, with hopes that Ben will keep his word and let him go when healed. Why sit around and mope all the time? Since he can't be with the ones he loves, he's gonna love the ones he's with!

I also agree that the list that Mrs. Klugh gave to Michael had nothing to do with 'The List'. Different people, different purposes.

Great review by the way Mac...had me rolling as usual!

#98. Posted by: JoePike at March 15, 2007 3:58 PM

@Getting Tired Quick

>Sorry about the double post.

Actually it was a quintuple.

#99. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 15, 2007 4:02 PM

Oops, make that:
No phones, lotsa lights, ONE motor car, and lots of luxuries!

#100. Posted by: JoePike at March 15, 2007 4:06 PM


A couple of things....

Charlie continues to avoid the grips of the Grim Reaper! He survived a plane crash, could have died from detoxing heroin, was killed by Ethan then revived by Jack, almost died when he crossed that rickety bridge with Hurley, ditched death when the hatch imploded, missed a lightening strike...the list goes on!

I recall Jack telling Kate in S1 that after they blow up the hatch, they have another problem to deal with - the Locke problem. And what a problem he's become. We didn't actually see him enter 77 just like we didn't actually see him kill that rookie cop at the weed colony. He probably went exploring like he usually does, found the C4 and blew up the place in good old Locke fashion. I sincerely hope that the next Lockecentric epi will give us some answers about him, the Island and Ben. I have this weird suspicion that Locke may try to kill Ben..and if he does well..that'll put another twist to this crazy adventure. (Plus, I wanna see Locke go COMPLETE Rambo!)

About Claire... her centrisode answered the question we already knew that Jack/Claire = bro/sis so I wasn't all that engaged. I kept wondering why the psychic didn't tell her that she will meet her half brother? And I did see her smile a little bit when her Dad mentioned that he would sing to her when she was a little tyke. Why wouldn't she want to know his name??

#101. Posted by: amelia at March 15, 2007 4:08 PM

I just suddenly realized. The island is Fiji.

Survivor tech support was all lost in the Fiji coup and the contestants had to fend for themselves.

The Others are the descendents of Mojo.

The Losties are the descendents of Ravu, with false memories of a plane crash implanted.

#102. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 15, 2007 4:09 PM

Maybe Claire is a natural blonde, and was coloring it black to be goth?

Or maybe hair just grows REALLY slowly on the island?

#103. Posted by: JoePike at March 15, 2007 4:09 PM

List: I think that Jack may or may not be on the list...they definitely wanted him to remove Ben's tumor. I don't think that Kate and Sawyer were on THE list...they were on the list given to Michael...and in the episode that Sun, Jin and Sayid are on the boat...Sayid says they need THREE people...two to make the third one do what they want. I've always felt this explained why they took Kate and Sawyer...to make Jack do the surgery. And it worked.

#104. Posted by: Bethany at March 15, 2007 4:11 PM

Who's coloring Claire's hair? After 80
days not a root in sight! She looks
better blond, beautiful eyes, contacts?

→ Posted by: Jenny Tailia at March 15, 2007 04:01 PM

Jenny Talia maybe clair really shares the same hair color as jack her brohter...

#105. Posted by: Tits Mgeee at March 15, 2007 4:17 PM

Some comments ....
(1) The Flame did not disrupt power on the island because it is a communication station, not a power station.
(2) Until activated with a body, the fence puts out a noise that people can't hear, but animals can. That would explain no dead animals laying around.
(3) There are underground passages out of Otherville, per the map Sayid looked at regarding the circle of Jurrasic Park' poles.
(4) Did anyone see the movie 'Wild Hogs'? Tom (aka. Mr. Friendly) plays a tuff guy biker

#106. Posted by: Saminator at March 15, 2007 4:35 PM

Jacob has three toes and was around before the statue was built and he's still around now. That would explain the Jacob worship.

#107. Posted by: mylostshow at March 15, 2007 4:49 PM

Correction Jacob has 4 toes.

#108. Posted by: mylostshow at March 15, 2007 4:52 PM

@shikotee:

Actually, I don't know if this would qualify as a spoiler but Damon Lindleoff already stated that Jack and Claire will find out about their connection 6 eps after we do - sounds like that would happen near the end of the season - hmmmmmm. If anyone considers this info a spoiler then I do apologize.

#109. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 15, 2007 4:55 PM

Ok I am ticked, either I got drunk last night and do not remember or I missed a great part of last nights episode. I had it on my DVR and was watching and it ended with Claire and Desmond dicussing Desmonds powers and that was it, the local news started. I am ticked off!!!

#110. Posted by: D Ral at March 15, 2007 5:20 PM

I think Jacks dad will play a big roll when we finally find out what the hole story is. There is no other character that keeps showing up from the first ep-till the new one we all just watched. Maybe he is the "greatman". For he is a doctor and the main characters dad??????????

#111. Posted by: dantheman at March 15, 2007 5:51 PM

Jack and Tom sitting in a tree.......


Sorry if this was already bought up in comments, but in season one, when claire found out she was pregnant, didnt she say her mom would disown her? Mom would have long been in the vegetative state. WHats that about?

#112. Posted by: debbie at March 15, 2007 6:11 PM

[quote=Mac]bloody corpses of rabbits and boars and polar bears[/quote]

Oh My!

Hee hee!


#113. Posted by: momof2js at March 15, 2007 6:35 PM

I am the only one confused by the scene where Sun/Jin/Claire were about to capture a bird before Des' shooting scared it off?

Assuming that Des did it deliberately, as Claire believes, what was the point?

How would letting Jin capture that bird in a net harm Charlie (or for that matter, anyone?)
In fact, if they had caught it doesn't that mean Charlie wouldn't slip and die on the rocks trying to capture a bird himself?

If Desmond's whole boar story is true, then it's pretty lazy writing to have this event drive Claire into finding out about Desmond's powers.

Did I miss something in Desmond's plans?

#114. Posted by: PeaJay18 at March 15, 2007 7:27 PM

@Mr. Grimm...

Interesting....

I wonder how they will pull it off?
Perhaps the beach crew will find the body, and both Clair and Sawyer will identify it? Other than Ana Lucia, was there anyone from the beach crew that knew Jack's dad?

I'm just assuming Jack will not head back to the beach anytime soon. Perhaps someone from the Others will inform Jack?

Now more than ever, I think we will find out that the late Dr. Shephard was involved with island research. If such was the case, they would know about both offspring. Now that Jack is getting cozier with the Others, maybe someone will share this info with him?

#115. Posted by: shikotee at March 15, 2007 7:43 PM

line of the day: "severe intestinal reactions to tropical fruit (paulo)"

"Besides the opening moments of the pilot episode when Dr. Jack tends to the then-preggers Claire, when have they been together?"

Remember when Ethan attacked Claire? Brother Jack tried to convince her it was all in her head and then proceeded to push sedatives on his pregnant sis. real nice.
-that could be a sore subject for them-

Finally, I know this is crazy but I feel like we're going to find out Christian Shepard is alive and well, calling the shots and could possibly be the "him" they always refer to. He's already had contact with many of the 815ers, so he's definitely involved in some way.

Thanks for the great write-up every week!

#116. Posted by: LT at March 15, 2007 8:10 PM

I don't think we are ever going to find out if Sayid got the job at the restaurant.

#117. Posted by: lostsox at March 15, 2007 8:37 PM

A few comments...

I don't think Patchy or the sonic fence, or a bunch of other things are new to Rousseau. Her lines have carefully NOT said that she knows nothing about them...only that she's avoided them and similar things. I think that this careful phrasing by the writers isn't a plot hole.

My husband figures Jack (like someone else said) is making the best of a bad situation - life must be much better in houses with plumbing and electricity, ya know? So why not get to know his 'captors' and see if he can figure out how to get out of the place. He doesn't seem to be so mercenary that he'd completely forget all of his buds.

And I remember from some bit of knowledge from far back... there's a saying: If you save someone's life you are responsible for it forever. Oh, well, Desmond...you have your job cut out for you!

#118. Posted by: Helen at March 15, 2007 8:51 PM

LOL @

----"I believe Charlie was holding a twisty-tie right before they attached the note to the bird. That should have given the note at least the chance to not fall off."
----the dingo eating baby comment
----Michael J Fox wig comment
----who mows the lawn between the killer poles comment
-----and the Locke paramedic comment

To those who asked if Rousseau went over the fence. I had to watch again but yes she is with the the other three when they are looking at "perturbia" aka losteria lane aka the barracks. I find this unbelievable that she would avoid "the flame" altogther but was willing to climb the fence, if you can call it that, and go to the actually dwelling place of the others.
Some have suggested the island heals flaws, but not after the explosion/implosion ruined the magnetic/healing ablilities. Wouldnt Locke's paralysis be returned by now if thats the case?
I believe there are at least 3 different lists being spoken of. One for the tailies, the fuselage losties and whomever Mikail was speaking about.
The character relationship between Sayid and Locke is superb. I dismiss the idea also that Locke killed Mikhail intentionally and that he knew the flame would explode. He has typically given simple answers to complex questions toward his motivations. No reason to change his style now. The best line of the show for me was in response to Rousseau suggesting to use John's C4 on the pole. In response he says, "Be my guest....you wanna go stick it on there?"
I feel lost on the timeline regarding how long Jack has been with the others. Anyone got an idea?? because he was not only playing a game of catch....they were REALLY having a blast there. Tom never looked so happy.
And finally, if you managed to read this far, a quote from Ayn Rands book "The Fountainhead" that Sawyer was reading: Gail Wynand (to Howard Roark): “There’s a particular kind of people that I despise. Those who seek some sort of a higher purpose or ‘universal goal,’ who don’t know what to live for, who moan that they must ‘find themselves.’”

#119. Posted by: kilorooster at March 15, 2007 9:27 PM

i will echo Mac's last question and add some of my own:

-what happened to all the whispers in the jungle?
-why don't the Others creep around all dirty and sneaky and quiet like in the jungle anymore?
-what happened to the smoke monster?
-what happened to michael and walt?
-when are we going to get more answers on that 4-toed statue thinger?

it seems that some big mystery elements of seasons 1 and 2 have been dropped by the writers. not good, i need closure!

#120. Posted by: karen at March 15, 2007 9:33 PM

i will echo Mac's last question and add some of my own:

-what happened to all the whispers in the jungle?
-why don't the Others creep around all dirty and sneaky and quiet like in the jungle anymore?
-what happened to the smoke monster?
-what happened to michael and walt?
-when are we going to get more answers on that 4-toed statue thinger?

it seems that some big mystery elements of seasons 1 and 2 have been dropped by the writers. not good, i need closure!

#121. Posted by: karen at March 15, 2007 9:34 PM

Great review Mac.
Although I am truely concerned about Jack playing football with tom at the end, I mean what the hell was that all about?
If memory serves me right, at one point Jack tells Kate and Sawyer: "don't come back for me"....
Could there be a possibility that Jack was planted like Ethan and the other dude that went to the tailies??? I doubt it but dang...this is LOST right?
Or could Jack have been brainwashed with some sort of ultrasonic brainwahing ray?
Anyone?????

#122. Posted by: mapache at March 15, 2007 10:23 PM

Dr. Bologna...very good call. Jack and Jill, oops, I mean Claire, will run into Dr. Daddy while catching up on missed scenes together in the jungle. Definitely.

As for John, does anyone get the idea that he is really #1? You know, The Island and all of that? Maybe he is The Great Man and he is just putting on a real show. Wow...whata concept!

Danielle and Benry...I still can't get that image in my head. What's-her-name, you know, the daughter (how many scene's has she been in? Really? That many and I can't even remember her name? Must be that I'm para...what's that shiny object over there? My remote! Awesome...)

I can't wait for next week, and especially the ongoing thoughts.

From the Alternate Universe...good evening.

- Neo

#123. Posted by: Neo at March 15, 2007 10:41 PM

Dr. Bologna...very good call. Jack and Jill, oops, I mean Claire, will run into Dr. Daddy while catching up on missed scenes together in the jungle. Definitely.

As for John, does anyone get the idea that he is really #1? You know, The Island and all of that? Maybe he is The Great Man and he is just putting on a real show. Wow...whata concept!

Danielle and Benry...I still can't get that image in my head. What's-her-name, you know, the daughter (how many scene's has she been in? Really? That many and I can't even remember her name? Must be that I'm para...what's that shiny object over there? My remote! Awesome...)

I can't wait for next week, and especially the ongoing thoughts.

From the Alternate Universe...good evening.

- Neo

#124. Posted by: Neo at March 15, 2007 10:41 PM

Numbers & 8 toes

I was wondering if there was any connection between the numbers (the highest of which is 8) and 8 toes, and the bars around the Dharma logo. It's a bit off topic as none of those were mentioned in this episode...

I know that the numbers can't be base 8, because there wouldn't be an 8 (right?) But, there isn't a 9. OK, or a 7,3, or 1 alone. So that observation may not hold any water.

Next, the Dharma logo with the 3 rows of bars on each side -except the bars aren't the same on each side. Some sort of binary or other representation?

Maybe I enjoyed DaVinci code too much...

Obviously I'm lazy and want someone else to seize upon my idea and run with it. I have 2 kids and a graduate project to work on.....

-Helen

#125. Posted by: Helen at March 15, 2007 10:43 PM

Just a general comment to everyone wondering about the Lostaways' access to fresh water now that they're not living in the caves: There have been several scenes over the last couple of seasons that show characters filling water bottles from a bamboo-framed black-plastic-tarp-covered trough on the beach. I would venture that the background Lostaways, who aren't dealing w/parental issues, exploding/imploding hatches, etc., organized themselves & built a pipeline of some sort from the fresh water source to the beach trough. Perhaps that's what Rose & Bernard have been doing—keeping daily life going on. Someone has to be the adult there! ; >

#126. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 15, 2007 11:34 PM

Awesome episode - Lost is back to its glory days, finally.

About Rousseau - I'm starting to think she's not who we think she is. Could she be avoiding these Others for reasons other than just survival?

About Locke - he's just as fishy as Rousseau.

#127. Posted by: James at March 15, 2007 11:38 PM

@mac "...Dharma World (or Other Land or Hostileville -- we really need a name for this place..."

I have always called it Otherville but I read that the writers have referred to it as Downtown after the song that was playing when it was first revealed.

Having said that, I would like to suggest some alternatives:

Lost Angeles
Bensylvania
Loston
Listburg
Lost Vegas
Crashville
Benessee

If named after room 23: Trance-lvania
If the theory that Jack is "Him" turns out to be true: JacksOneville
If named after the animals at the Flame: Cowafornia, KaBull, Catisburg, or MosCow
If named after Alexes' Boyfriend: kARlKANSAS
If named after the work that Saywer and Kate were forced to do: Little Rock
If named after the trek Locke and group performed to get there: Illwalkee
If named after Ben's free healthcare plan (ie Jack): FeeNix
If it turns out that Jack and Ben are brothers: TwoSon
If the four toed statue turns out to be a major player in the Lost mythology: ToeKey-yo
If named after Ben and his sickness: ManIlla
If named after Juliet's vocal challenges: Sing-a-poor
If named after the island's favorite wild meat: New Pork
And finally if it turns out that Dr. Christian Shephard is really "Him": BadDad

#128. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 15, 2007 11:49 PM

That was a great post!!!

#129. Posted by: kilorooster at March 15, 2007 11:55 PM

Oh, and how could I forget...

What if it were named after Juliet's "brand": BenMark

#130. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 16, 2007 12:12 AM

I think the reason Locke wants to keep his paralysis a secret is that he has no intention of leaving the island and risk going back into the chair. Unlike Rose, he is willing to be proactive about making sure they stay. If they knew his prior situation was not as good as his current one, they might figure out that his motivation is different than thiers and trust him less. Why Rousseau "helped" with his secret remains a mystery.

#131. Posted by: JT at March 16, 2007 1:26 AM

The writers seem to be going all Trashcan Man from The Stand with Lockes character now. Just dont let the man near any nukes.

#132. Posted by: ndaly at March 16, 2007 1:54 AM

Great review indeed.

@all

Lately, I'm seeing lot's of wondering why didn't Rosseau know anything about buildings on island.

But I do recall...
When introduced to series, Rosseau was being very afraid of going outside from her hideout. She was surprised to see anyone walking around on island... alive.
And a story about a virus that supposedly "killed all her team" and mumblings like this. Doesn't that explain 16 years of ignorance?

Or have I forgot anything?

#133. Posted by: InCreator at March 16, 2007 4:20 AM

Another great review from master MAC!

Well, I for one was not surprised that Jack was enjoying himself in Otherville. I mentioned that last week, something in the way that he said to Kate “…never come back for me.” was fishy.

Locke’s actions make sense, I am watching Season 1 on DVD and he has found his true calling on the island. The fact that he is afraid to leave the island of fear from being paralyzed again is his biggest motivator and most likely would be for anyone of us. He may have not entered “77” while in the flame (he might have triggered the explosion on purpose) and while the effect (the Flame exploding) is the same his motivation is questionable. Why would he have to leave the island even if they are found? He can choose to remain back (great life: no taxes, no news about Anna Nicole Smith and Britney Spears 24/7 on TV) it is almost paradise. Also, the C4 was in the basement and Locke did not venture down there. Why did they never explore flame after they secured Patchy for the second time is beyond me? These manuals, folders and files should have more answers than anyone could give them and they would be for free. Anyhow the next episode should give us some welcoming answers on Locke.

It is true that the writers either forgot some of the mysteries/aspects of seasons past or they have made mistakes, after all they are humans (or are they notJ?). One that pops into my mind while watching season 1 French language Sayid did not speak it at all but then last week we find out that he lived in Paris at least for a while (unless if that Eifel Tower in the background was the one in Las Vegas).

Jack’s father must be playing a bigger role in the future than we initially believed. Walt and Michael will return (on the show) that is what the writers have already confirmed, it remains to be seen if they are also in Otherville or if they shipwreck on the island.

For some reason I do not care much about Claire, she has beautiful eyes but what exactly is her role? Maybe Aaron, her son will again become central to the story line. Glad to see Brother back on, he and Locke are my favorite characters.

Am I the only one frustrated with the flashbacks? In the last couple episodes there is a lot happening on the island and although the flashbacks provide information I found myself screaming at the TV when they switched to them, although the story with Sayid last week was powerful. I strongly believe that it is time to concentrate to the island and minimize the time that the writers/directors spend on flashbacks, there is only so much background information we need.

#134. Posted by: itsiph at March 16, 2007 6:31 AM

I'am still confused about the way Tom looked at Jack thing....anyone ever thought about a gayconspiracy....finding your true nature on the Island??? hahaha just kidding...can't wait for the next review Mac!

PS kate on the pole screencap is wallpaper worthy.

#135. Posted by: namaste at March 16, 2007 8:38 AM

I think there's a nice balance between island time and flashback time on the show. Flashbacks apparently are the only way many of the mysteries will be answered, so I'm okay with them. I'm sure the actors love them- change of scenery and less hot beach/jungle time.

D Ral and others who missed the end or part of the episode...check out abc.com. You can watch the full episode you missed (for free), or fast forward to just see the end! Gotta love modern technology.

I agree that Locke will not willingly leave the island for fear of needing his wheelchair again, but I think he'd never intentionally sabotage his fellow Losties' attempts at leaving.

When is the show going to let us know what the heck is going on with Penny and her attempts to find Des? That scene where she gets the phone call from the 2 dudes who 'found the island' was a helluva tease to not address for so long.

How do the Others know so much about the Losties? Ep 1 of this season clearly showed that the Others did not know the plane was going to crash, nor could they have had any idea who was on it or who would survive. Clearly they have outside help, or methods of obtaining info while still on the island (which might not be possible now), but I hope this is fully explained at some point.

"I don't think we are ever going to find out if Sayid got the job at the restaurant." -lostsox

Thanks lostsox. That was the best laugh I had all week!

#136. Posted by: JoePike at March 16, 2007 8:49 AM

@JoePike

In last weeks episode for example they could have shown us more about what they found in the flame rather than the reasons of Sayid's leniency to Patchy. That way more answers would have been answered. In this weeks episode there could have been more discussion between Sayid, Locke, Kate and the crazy woman who had significant air time, I believe that could have reavealed more about the island. I guess though that revealing too much at once will spped up the story and ABC and the producers may not be so interested in that.

Falshbacks have provided us with tons of information but there is only so much that we need before it bogs the actual situation down.

Anyhow that is my 2 cents, I will keep watching no matter what for at least this season, after that we will have to see if this will be the greatest series or just another one that went awry.

So long...

#137. Posted by: itsiph at March 16, 2007 9:00 AM

re: Sayid - French

Do we know how long he was in Paris? Just because he lived there for some time does not necessarily mean he would immediately pick up the language. I know several people who have lived in foreign countries for many years, yet have not picked up the language. Those that do so either have to for work reasons, or they really want to.

I have no doubt that Sayid could get by working in a kitchen without knowing how to speak French...

#138. Posted by: shikotee at March 16, 2007 10:23 AM

@Shikotee - "I have no doubt that Sayid could get by working in a kitchen without knowing how to speak French..."

I agree. France has very large Muslim communities. They do not always try to assimilate into the French society either. It is very plausible that he could have lived there and not learned the language, or even enough to get by. Maybe he only lived there for a few months or weeks.

#139. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 16, 2007 10:41 AM

Just a request: can we try to keep this area spoiler-free? I like reading and partaking in the discussions, but I might have to stop commenting if I read things like "Michael and Walt are coming back."

#140. Posted by: James at March 16, 2007 10:48 AM

Re: spoilers. I don't have a problem with them, but be sure to offer fair warning for the folks who don't want to know (e.g.: "***** SPOILERS ******"). -- mac

#141. Posted by: mac at March 16, 2007 10:54 AM

Few thoughts:

1) Lost finally comes roaring back! Great episode.

2) Mac's best line this week: "Sayid and Kate stare at Locke, but Locke shrugs off the incident. "My bad, yo." Hilarious!

3) Come on now, don't hate on Ayn Rand.

4) Rousseau is the new Ana Lucia -- she bugs so bad.


#142. Posted by: DJ Ativanex at March 16, 2007 10:54 AM

Greetings and Saluations... Does anyone think they Jack got the rest of his tattoo added at Claires Tattoo Shop?

#143. Posted by: Jenny Talia at March 16, 2007 11:13 AM

@ Debbie -

I'm so glad to hear you say that, because I really thought Clair was afraid that her mom was going to disown her too because she was pregnant. I haven't gone back and watched that episode (Raised by Another was the name of the episode I believe). I have to go back and re-read Mac's review on that one today. That will be my research assignment for the day while I'm at work. LOL.

#144. Posted by: hookedonlost at March 16, 2007 11:14 AM

Greetings and Saluations... Does anyone think they Jack got the rest of his tattoo added at Claires Tattoo Shop?

Thats very possible.. Good point Jenny Talia!

#145. Posted by: Tits Mgee at March 16, 2007 11:14 AM

I think that we will see Locke is the one, they want him as the leader or something..

Smoke some with ya boys!

#146. Posted by: Evil Black at March 16, 2007 11:16 AM

Great POsting Mac, I <3 you!

#147. Posted by: Vagina Face at March 16, 2007 11:20 AM

LOCKE IS DA MAN, HE'S GONNA TAKE OVA
LIKE WHITE ON RICE, HE MAY TURN OUT TO
BE LIKE COLONEL KURTZ IN APOCALYPSE
NOW! DAMMIT NO 1'S ON READY AND WE
GOTS TIX TO FIX!

#148. Posted by: defranco.is.da.man at March 16, 2007 11:22 AM

Next week it will be a showdown between some of the losties and the others. Sayid must keep an eye on Locke, because Mrproper is not to be trusted at all.

#149. Posted by: namaste at March 16, 2007 11:31 AM

@ PiecesofArtz: Michael J. Fox in a wig - holy crap that's brilliant!

@ bcre8ve - Actual coffee spit up moment came when I read 'Bensylvania'. If that doesn't end up being the name of this place it's a shame. Well done.

I know we're supposed to see Paulikki's episode coming up. Any chance Paulo will find some Darmodium AD by then?

#150. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 16, 2007 11:35 AM

Wow - we've come a long way, my friends. I just looked up RAISED BY ANOTHER like I indicated above. There is no mention in Mac's review about Clair's mother (as I skimmed through it - hope I didn't miss something), so I presume this will require actually re-watching the episode. Anyway, that was about halfway through season one, and you know how many comments were below Mac's review? THREE. (And two involved spam). And here we are, 2 years later, averaging sometimes 300 comments an episode. We've created a whole subculture here. LOL - I love it!

#151. Posted by: hookedonlost at March 16, 2007 11:45 AM

@JoePike
"When is the show going to let us know what the heck is going on with Penny and her attempts to find Des? That scene where she gets the phone call from the 2 dudes who 'found the island' was a helluva tease to not address for so long."

I couldn't agree more! That is another lingering question that the writers seem to have forgotten about. I can only take so many new mysteries!!

#152. Posted by: karen at March 16, 2007 11:51 AM

> onelostdude at March 15, 2007 03:07 PM

> I will not take credit for "Losteria Lane." I read it on the web, from this site I thought, but I guess not.

You did! I came up with that name in the posts at the beginning of this season. Glad everyone likes it!

#153. Posted by: Buck41 at March 16, 2007 11:56 AM

@ shikotee 'Other than Ana Lucia, was there anyone from the beach crew that knew Jack's dad?'

Sawyer had drinks with Jack's Dad in S1E16 "Outlaws". And he may know that it was Jack's Dad after Jack said "That's Why the Sox will never win the series" in a later episode.

#154. Posted by: GFish at March 16, 2007 12:13 PM

About the whole Penny thing...We'll probably have to wait until this season's finale. The reason that I think that is because that will move the story too far this early. I hope that I am wrong though because it is killing me to find out how she knew what to look for.

#155. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 16, 2007 12:14 PM

I vote Bensylvania. Classic.

#156. Posted by: John at March 16, 2007 12:25 PM

Ok, so while I was watching the Patchy/Locke scene - when Patchy said "The John I remembered . . . " the first thing that popped into my head is that they had met before. Did anyone else think that? And I don't think Locke killed him to keep his wheel chair secret, I think it was more, maybe they we're involved in some way in the past. I mean when he told Rose, he didn't say not to tell anyone else, if the people on this freaking island would talk to each other every now and then, they might not all be running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

#157. Posted by: Mary at March 16, 2007 12:27 PM

@GFish - "Sawyer had drinks with Jack's Dad in S1E16 "Outlaws". And he may know that it was Jack's Dad after Jack said "That's Why the Sox will never win the series" in a later episode."

I'm pretty sure that Sawyer is already aware that he met Jack's dad. I don't remember when it was, but in I think it was in season one Sawyer and Jack were talking, and Jack said something that triggered a memory for Sawyer. He told Jack that his father knew that "he loved him" I think, or something like that.

#158. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 16, 2007 12:27 PM

@Batteries Included

>I'm pretty sure that Sawyer is already aware that he met Jack's dad. I don't remember when it was, but in I think it was in season one Sawyer and Jack were talking, and Jack said something that triggered a memory for Sawyer. He told Jack that his father knew that "he loved him" I think, or something like that.

Jack said something and added fro emphasis, "And that's why the Red Sox will never win the series" which was a saying of his dad's. Sawyer recognized having heard the same thing in his drinking session with Christian, and asked Jack about it, and Jack said it was something his dad used to say, which enabled Sawyer to make the connection.

#159. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 16, 2007 12:47 PM

@Batteries Included

>I'm pretty sure that Sawyer is already aware that he met Jack's dad. I don't remember when it was, but in I think it was in season one Sawyer and Jack were talking, and Jack said something that triggered a memory for Sawyer. He told Jack that his father knew that "he loved him" I think, or something like that.

Jack said something and added for emphasis, "And that's why the Red Sox will never win the series" which was a saying of his dad's. Sawyer recognized having heard the same thing in his drinking session with Christian, and asked Jack about it, and Jack said it was something his dad used to say, which enabled Sawyer to make the connection.

#160. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 16, 2007 12:47 PM

Locke sure is up to something:
-"I'll go in first to make sure its ok" -the flame
-popping out after all the fighting is over with kate sayid and the russian
-"ive searched the whole place"-to sayid when the trap door was right below his feet
-taking the C4 and lying about it
-killing the russian, i beleive taking advantage of the situation.

I think Locke wants to find "Him" (the godlike dude they keep referring to). I don't think locke is "Him". Locke knows more about him than he is letting on though and is protecting his secret as if his life depended on it.

Roussou knows much more than she is saying as well. I kind of got the impression that maybe she and the russian knew each other.

Not really that great of a security perimeter if all that is needed is an axe and a tree to get past it. Maybe it was there more to protect the original community from the mutant animal experiments or something. Humans really made short work of it.

oh well i doubt anyone will get this far in the post anyway.

#161. Posted by: sf at March 16, 2007 12:52 PM

I don't think that the sonar bouy or the satellite ever stopped working. I think that their signals can no longer get out. When the sky went purple the island was briefly visible to Penny's monitoring station, but when that stopped and the hatch/countdown was destroyed something happened to the island that made it disappear or shift out of phase with everything else. I don't think that the island is visible from the sea. I don't think it's visible from the air. I think when the pilot's make food drops they just see the ocean. No one would have seen Bernard's sign for the same reasons.

#162. Posted by: Jack Blair at March 16, 2007 12:54 PM

oh yea....charlie's band was playing on the radio in the tattoo place.


"we are everybody!"

#163. Posted by: sf at March 16, 2007 12:55 PM

Is it possible that Locke is or related to the "magnificent man" that Bakunin refers too. Seems Locke feels some sort of connection to the Others and is figuring out they may be like him.

just throwin' it out there

#164. Posted by: Art at March 16, 2007 12:55 PM

I don't really get why a lot of people are coming down on Jack for playing (touch?) football with Tom.

After all, it's been less than three months (island time) that his father died, survived a plane crash, saw Kate naked in the shower, was kidnapped & imprisoned, and forced to perform surgery at gunpoint.

And now he gets to sleep in a bed and eat real food and drink cold drinks and toss the ol' pigskin around. All with Ben's promise that he'll be able to go home soon.

Yeah, I'd be feelin' pretty chipper too.

#165. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 16, 2007 12:58 PM

Y'know, I just re-read my last post.

Are we sure we're not watching a soap opera here?

#166. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 16, 2007 12:59 PM

Great recap...

i know its just a tv show, but how are they going to get back over the fence when they decide to leave the Others' compound area??? They should have thrown the logs through the perimeter to reuse...

#167. Posted by: ELMc at March 16, 2007 1:16 PM

I love reading the comments here. Everyone is so smart and has so many great ideas about what the heck is going on!

Here's some more thoughts by me:

-- Remember when Ecko died in THE COST OF LIVING at the hand of the smoke monster? Ecko whispered to Locke. Locke told Sayid, Desmond, Nikki and Paulo, "He said we're next." The writers definitely planted a plot point with that. I'm waiting for it to pay off. Who will die next at the hand of the smoke monster??

-- Rousseau is seen in the jungle outside Losteria Lane at the end of this episode. She is there for her little girl, Alex -- Alex is Rousseau's super-objective and the explanation for why she's hanging around and climbing sonic fences.

-- The WHISPERS ... If I'm right, the last time we heard the whispers was at the end of Season 2 when Jack, Kate, Sawyer were captured. The whispers started right before Jack yelled, "Run!". So ... why no whispers since?

#168. Posted by: Matt at March 16, 2007 1:23 PM

@ Buck 41
I am glad you came forward. I have loved 'Losteria Lane' since I first read it. I am surprised no one else remembers it from earlier in the season. I like it better than 'Bensylvania' too.

#169. Posted by: onelostdude at March 16, 2007 1:29 PM

@mac re:spoilers

That's fair.

***SPOILER WARNING***
***SPOILERS AHEAD***
I had a feeling Michael and Walt might return, but I would have rather not had confirmation on it.

I'll keep my eye open for the Spoiler warnings. Would you be able to post something at the top of the comments section asking posters to include this in anything related to a future episode?

#170. Posted by: James at March 16, 2007 1:40 PM

I am surprised that so many have forgotten Locke's timeline. While he may have been in a wheelchair for a period (4 years?), it didn't happen for sometime after Helen left him--remember? he wound up with the (drug) commune for more than 2 years.

Also, while Locke is *in search of* family/happiness/meaning, he seems to have the reverse Midas touch: whatever he touches seems to turn to sh-t. He has destroyed every place (and relationship) that seems to have any significance to him, arguably accidentally. He is now responsible for the destruction of *2* hatches and was blamed for the destruction of the colony by the Ma and Pa figures.

About Locke not becoming re-paralyzed post purple sky: I posted quite some time ago that Rose's theory of healing was wrong. She seemed to think that in order to stay cancer-free, she had to stay on the island. However, I pointed out that the healer that she and Bernie went to had many photos of his clients, but they healed and went home. They didn't need to stay with him, any more than she and Locke need to stay on the island. He may not have figured that out yet.

#171. Posted by: boharpe at March 16, 2007 1:55 PM

I am surprised that so many have forgotten Locke's timeline. While he may have been in a wheelchair for a period (4 years?), it didn't happen for sometime after Helen left him--remember? he wound up with the (drug) commune for more than 2 years.

Also, while Locke is *in search of* family/happiness/meaning, he seems to have the reverse Midas touch: whatever he touches seems to turn to sh-t. He has destroyed every place (and relationship) that seems to have any significance to him, arguably accidentally. He is now responsible for the destruction of *2* hatches and was blamed for the destruction of the colony by the Ma and Pa figures.

About Locke not becoming re-paralyzed post purple sky: I posted quite some time ago that Rose's theory of healing was wrong. She seemed to think that in order to stay cancer-free, she had to stay on the island. However, I pointed out that the healer that she and Bernie went to had many photos of his clients, but they healed and went home. They didn't need to stay with him, any more than she and Locke need to stay on the island. He may not have figured that out yet.

Finally, the first season showed Walt and Locke playing a game (backgammon?) where Locke mentioned opposites and their significance: Light and Dark, Black and White. They didn't really talk about Good and Bad/Evil, but those seem to figure very prominently in this show.

#172. Posted by: boharpe at March 16, 2007 1:58 PM

well did a quick search on wikipedia, and looked up the 'atlas shrugged' book. and alot of the theme's are the same, even sofar as to some of the technology that they speak of (not many cars/some sort of sonic death ray/etc)

and the whole idea of keeping the smart/good ones separated is similar. As well as the concept of the smart ones not working (maybe those are the dharma scientest that dont do there jobs - or even juila)

I only read it once, but those are some quick parreles i picked up

c

#173. Posted by: lostatwork at March 16, 2007 1:58 PM

well did a quick search on wikipedia, and looked up the 'atlas shrugged' book. and alot of the theme's are the same, even sofar as to some of the technology that they speak of (not many cars/some sort of sonic death ray/etc)

and the whole idea of keeping the smart/good ones separated is similar. As well as the concept of the smart ones not working (maybe those are the dharma scientest that dont do there jobs - or even juila)

I only read it once, but those are some quick parreles i picked up

c

#174. Posted by: lostatwork at March 16, 2007 1:58 PM

Seagulls DO migrate.

#175. Posted by: Butthole at March 16, 2007 1:58 PM

@matt:

I noticed the same thing about the whispers, but then I realized that it's only been 2 weeks island time since the end of Season 2. The whispers weren't always a constant of every episode. I guess it just seems like such a long time because for us it's been months instead of only 2 weeks.

#176. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 16, 2007 2:02 PM

Some asked what was the point of Desmond shooting the rifle and scaring off the birds when Jin was about to catch one. If Jin had caught the bird, the there would be no point in Charlie trying to catch one later and die on the rocks.

Desmond's ability to see in the future is limited to "flashes". When he shot the rifle and scared the birds, he really was shooting boar. He really did not know that Jin was about to catch the bird, because he did not see Jin at the time or in a previous flash of the future. Had he known in advance or had actually seen Jin about to catch the bird, he would not have shot the rifle.

What Desmond had seen was the event later in the day, when Charlie died on the rocks and that was what he was trying to prevent.

#177. Posted by: mylostshow at March 16, 2007 2:04 PM

When Mikhail is about to spill the beans about Locke, Rousseau interrupts him. When he is first captured she wants to kill him. When she captured Ben she didn't want to kill him, she wanted to give him to Sayid, and this is the man who is raising her daughter as his own (huge coincidence?). Rousseau is also the one who non-mortally wounded him. I wonder if he could've gotten into the Hatch any other way? Rousseau's maps that she gave Sayid led them to Black Rock which she talked about non-stop to ensure they would go. The dynamite from Black Rock got them into the Hatch in the first place. The sickness seems to be fabricated by the others. The only other person who talks about the sickness is Rousseau. Rousseau claims to give the others a wide berth, but when Sayid found the electric cord leading to the bouy, he followed it inland and he found Rousseau living either on top of it or right next to it. Maybe Rousseau isn't concerned about Alex because she is with her real father.

#178. Posted by: Jack Blair at March 16, 2007 2:05 PM

@Jack Blair,

Some of what you write makes sense. I made mention earlier that it's possible Crazy Danielle was an original Dharma scientist. The cable is a good catch, but she wasn't living near it or under it, so far as I can tell. She did set a trap on the path that the cable follows through the jungle. That's how she captured Sayid, but we don't know how far she dragged him to get him to her lair. But it would be interesting if she lived near it.

On second thought, you might be right. Her lair had electric lights, she was probably living close enough to the cable to splice into it and draw enough juice to run the lights.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm.

#179. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 16, 2007 2:11 PM

If Rousseau stayed in her underground lair for the entire 16 years of her being stranded then how did she create the maps of the island, which Sayid stole.

#180. Posted by: sky at March 16, 2007 2:15 PM

Great discussions going on here.

A few thoughts I have:
1. Sawyer knows Jack's dad and could be the one that links Claire and Jack together if the body is found (or Dr. Christian is walking around alive).

I can see it going down like this:

[Claire is wandering around looking for more birds to tag, while Sawyer is fighting Paulo over a magazine he is using in the woods. Enter Christian Shepard]

Claire: (in aussie accent) What are YOU doing here?

Sawyer: You know him?

Claire: Yeah. He's my father.

Sawyer: Well, ain't that a kick in the pants. We have Luke and Leia on this island. Now we just need Chewbacca.

Claire: What are you talking about?

Sawyer: Why don't you tell her, Dr.... SHEPARD.

Claire: [in shocking disbelief] The other family was JACK's?!?!?

[Christian Shepard vanishes in smoke as Claire's memories are downloaded in fast forward sequence]

#181. Posted by: GFish at March 16, 2007 2:22 PM

@ matt

Me thinks that the whispers are somehow "warnings to the losties for immediate danger". Whoever told that they are a negative thing.

#182. Posted by: peurdenmyfreunch at March 16, 2007 2:25 PM

2. Martyrdom. For some reason Mikhail and Mrs. Klugh were willing and ready to die to protect something or someone. The first thing that comes to my mind is Christian martyrs, or really any religious martyr. They have a belief that there is an afterlife. So death is not the end.

Is it possible that the Others think that this mysterious Jacob is their Messiah? Although, typically one would want to spread their Messiah message rather than hide it... unless the number of people that can belong to the group is limited... or they only want 'good people' to benefit from whatever it is that Messiah can provide. Maybe life extension?

3. Others as the good guys. It's still haunting that Ben told Michael, "Don't you know, we're the good guys." This still makes me think that there is another group somewhere on this island. Or maybe the "bad guys" were the Dharamites that were purged.

#183. Posted by: GFish at March 16, 2007 2:25 PM

@Gfish:

BRILLIANT - you should write to the creators of the show. Could get yourself a gig writing an ep or two. Then you could let us all know excactly what's going to happen.

#184. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 16, 2007 3:05 PM

Another vote for Losteria Lane!

Also as for how to get out of the compound:
Obi Locke will go disengage the tractor beam while Sayid Solo, Princess Kate, and Chewsseau head to the dentention block to rescue Jack Skywalker. As they try to escape, Obi Locke will bump into Darth Benry and engage in a lightsaber duel!

#185. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 16, 2007 3:31 PM

@Crispy:

LOL - Good one. Did you remembe rto take your little blue pill today? J/K. ;-)

#186. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 16, 2007 3:37 PM

@Crispy:

LOL - Good one. Did you remember to take your little blue pill today? J/K. ;-)

#187. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 16, 2007 3:38 PM

Dr. Daddy theories: I too was rolling w/ the assumption that Dr. Daddy was the almighty Jacob. Many of the points given above support the storyline possibly going there.

But I'm having a little trouble believing that now because as far as I can see, Dr. Daddy is as 'flawed' as any of the Losties. He get's loaded before surgeries (which incidentally results in 'murder' when he loses that patient), has massive family issues, and is angry with himself and others always. I'm not sure if the almighty Jacob would exhibit these traits if he's trying to set up a utopian society.

But if anyone can prove the following theory I'll shut up: When Jack identified his father at the morgue in Sydney, did anybody notice the toe-tag? Cause if they did...and Dr. Daddy had only 4 toes....then we're all F'd!!!!

#188. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 16, 2007 3:44 PM

Like any of us thought to look for four toes way back then. LOL That would be a great, great catch though! :)

#189. Posted by: hookedonlost at March 16, 2007 4:26 PM

Another vote for "Losteria Lane". Love it.

#190. Posted by: Tazbee at March 16, 2007 6:22 PM

i believe thatjack is posing as their friend or alli. and he's just waiting for kate and her crew to come and save him, where he'll then switch sides.

#191. Posted by: ross at March 16, 2007 7:19 PM

@Grimm:

I'm quite sure that Rosseau had few truck batteries in her hideout, which she also used to torture Sayid. Again, I watched season 1 LONG time ago.

general:
The sonic fence looked awfully like wireless communications systems used in WWII. Just an observation.

The power issue is still unanswered on island. Sonic fences? Sounds highly power-consuming. Island covered with power grid? Things like this require a Power Plant. A big one. On a tropical island, solar panels sound like wisest choice. Because other types of power plants generate gases and smoke, which could reveal Othersville. I hope that panels are visible at some point, to answer this question.

Now, there was one, or even two (purple sky thing?) electromagnetic accidents on island. Strong enough to bring a plane down. Why do all computers in hubs still work? The lights? Presumable power plant of Others?

I'm not waiting for Michael to come back. They totally ruined his character during "Walt's missing!" period. Such and annoyance during WHOLE season 2.

Some other, really good characters are also ruined somewhat. For example, Charlie seemed to be really interesting type, but after sucking up so badly to hysterical Claire, he became a worm.

Locke was my instant second favourite character (Sawyer's first!) with so sad background and presumably strong leader skills, but again, they ruined his leadership and made him some weirdo doing some own thing all the time. Like pressing the button through whole season 2.

Fortunately, third season seems to be trying to mop this mess up and give some initial charm back to old survivors. I hope this goes on.

#192. Posted by: InCreator at March 16, 2007 11:37 PM

So when we finally see "the barracks" there are others spreading grass seed, sweeping/raking, standing around carrying backpacks like co-eds, bicycling, and of course playing football. Shouldnt someone know that the fence was breached and that the flame went up in...flames.
Also, I dont understand the conversation between the accident investigator/cop and Claire. His intentions were really ambiguous, yet he seemed like a jerk. Im interested to hear what other people thought of that scene.

#193. Posted by: kilorooster at March 17, 2007 1:00 AM

I hope it is not too late and some of you are still reading this blog. This is my favorite place to stay intuned with my favorite show. THANKS MAC and everyone else who bring their brilliant ideas and wonderful sense of humor.

Well, I have been gathering some points and questions for a while but wed's show made me want to voice them to you all. Here goes...

-Sawyer,Jack and Kate were not in THE list. Ben as all the OTHERS is very smart and an experienced manipulator. Jack is a renouned spinal surgeon, which Ben found out about from his connection to the outside world, hence the interest for him. Ben knows that Jack is a sucker for Kate and Kate for Sawyer, so Ben used Michael with Watl as bait to have him bring the rest back... we know the rest of that story.

-Does anyone remember between 1st and the 2nd season there was a "video" released that was supposed to be a clue into Dharma. It was a video made in hiding behind some Dharma wooden boxes and it recorded a training session where the "professor" was a scientist telling his pupils that the whole mission was about purifying the dying human race... hmm... I think that is what the OTHERS are doing, but what happened to the DHARMA team?

-DADDY ISSUES, is it me, or does everyone in the island have these?

-The perimiter, it seems to me, has an exit, because at the begining of the 3rd season when we saw Ethan and Goodwin being dispatched, they went different directions, alone.

-Locke... he is an overgrown child. Keep in mind he was raised in foster homes and is still trying to find himself and his purpose. Somehow everyithing he does just goes to sh...He is so intent in finding his purpose that he is willing to do anything to get it... we still don't know Locke. Remember the 1st season? we could not make up our minds about Locke being "good" or "bad". Who knows what "One-eyed" was going to say before the french chick interrupted... but I did get the distinct impression Locke recognized One-eyed at that percise moment.

-One-eye-Patchy, he was thankfull to be killed by Locke because he knew he would be killed by the others for killing Klugh. "Eye for an Eye" (he did have just one left!!)

-Jack, does he even know he is in the same island as the Losties??? He told Kate not to come back but that was for selfless reasons, he knows the OTHERS will kill her if she does. Or did he use reverse phsy knowing if he told her not to come back it would make her do just that? hmmmmm..... Jack is happy now, what will get him in his usual pms-crabby mood will be when Ben tells him he has a sister... (that would be Clair, fyi)

-"The ONE"/Jacob, I think he is the same one who recruited Juliette!

-Rouseau, claims to have survived by avoiding the OTHERS. That is some serious B.S. How would one explain her PHD degree in OTHER knowledge, culture and lying habits? She is a good lier herself, it takes one to know one I guess.

-Mike & Walt- only a matter of time before they come back, because the writers are not stupid... when Sawyer and Mike were on the raft after the OTHERS took Walt, Sawyer made an interesting observation (he has a gift for observations) He said that the vessel they took Walt in was not made for open water... isn't that the same boogie-board Mike and Walt left the island on?

-Sayed- in the 1st season we found out that he has been country hopping looking for Nadia. In Australia when he was blackmailed by the CIA to infiltrate a terrorist group, remember? He would not have been able to learn French that quickly...

FINALLY...

I MISS SAWYERS SMARTASS REMARKS!!!!! WHEN IS THAT WEEK GOING TO BE OVER...

#194. Posted by: Ice at March 17, 2007 1:12 PM

LOSTERIA LANE- gets my vote!

#195. Posted by: ice at March 17, 2007 1:16 PM

RE: Climb over fence

So whenever I want to cut out some readers, all I wave to type is:

****** SPOILER ALERT ********

Well - this isn't really a spoiler, as it is something that we have all seen, though perhaps not in such detail.

Here is a closer view of the map Sayid snagged:

http://tinyurl.com/3cz5b7

If you look closely, you can see that there are at least two tunnel networks to leave the barracks, and a DC panel for power.

As they have studied the map, I would assume that they would hope to leave via the tunnels - hence no worries about scaling the fence to leave.

#196. Posted by: shikotee at March 17, 2007 2:45 PM

@Shikotee: Thanks for the upclose & personal look at the map from the Flame...the presence of the tunnels go a long way toward confirming what I had thought at the beginnning of this season--that's it's possible to get to Othertraz by a method other than a boat (or sub). I would bet that Cindy & the rest of the crew from Otherville came over to see Juliet's "trial" by way of a tunnel, thus saving shuttle-boating everyone.

#197. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 17, 2007 3:32 PM

I think Lost is just the TV version of the Truman Show so we should just call the Others' perfect little town Seahaven to keep things consistent

#198. Posted by: tony at March 17, 2007 4:55 PM

Wow! I'm joining in late, as usual. I have to add that I hope that some of these shared commanalities the Losties have soon get revealed. It's one thing for us to realize it through flashbacks, but I want them to see it. That's what the producers need to throw in to spice things up.

The final scene with Jack was the best one. There was another scene that with the way they panned in it looked like the smoke monster was there. I think Jack is just hanging out because he's been told there's no way to leave. he's making the best. There's NO way he'd really be a traitor.

I am getting iritated with the Charlie dying story. Kill him and get it over with! ugh!

#199. Posted by: meg at March 17, 2007 5:50 PM

What if Rosseau is one of the Others, or was, but they think she died. Perhaps she was excommunicated or defected or something. She's avoiding them now to stay alive, but of course she's trapped on the island, too. This would explain how she can simultaneously know so much about them but not be one of them, and seek to avoid them.

At first didn't she think that the losties were some of the others? It was so long ago....

-H

#200. Posted by: Helen at March 17, 2007 6:10 PM

About the postings regarding this map (thanks shikotee!) a couple of things:

Like you said, there are at least two tunnels leaving Losteria. Both show 20' depths. This is also a topographical map, in which the squiggly lines mark changes in elevation. The closer the lines, the steeper the grade. It looks like the tunnel heading west goes steeply downhill, as though on a steep decline toward the water. This may be where the subs dock. The one heading west is mainly under flat land. Regardless, the Losterians have a pretty good view towards the East, since they're sitting on top of a pretty big hill!

#201. Posted by: toe at March 18, 2007 12:33 AM

One more thing, the "junction points" in the tunnels look oddly like Dharma shapes...are they the hatches? (although the Dharma logo has 8 sides and the junctions only show 6) And upon further review, I see 5 tunnels -- the one heading southwest actually branches north and intersects the one heading down to the (water?)...

#202. Posted by: toe at March 18, 2007 12:47 AM

Oh, and mac,
I'm a little bit sad that you did not mention this episode opened with "Lost eyeball" (Claire's). Maybe it means nothing, but it's kinda like Lost tradition for season opening, you know, sort of...

#203. Posted by: vazirani at March 19, 2007 3:54 AM

Ok, first of all

***** SPOILERS ***** and an apology to a spoiler warning ommision


It was my lapse with the Michael and Walt. Although I am surprised to say that people did not know about it. I am sorry about that.

***** END OF SPOILERS *****

WWhen Sawyer, at the end of season one, gets ready to leave on the raft and Jack gives him a gun for protection as he is getting ready to go to the Black Rock, Sawyer tells Jack all about his father. It was a very emotional moment and it was one of the rare occasions where Sawyer did behave.

Patchy saying to Locke that he remembers him is quite intriguing. Could it be that he remembers him because they have met in the past or was it because Patchy was observing Locke (somehow) before he got to the island? Hmmm…

Crazy woman said that she avoided encounters because she wanted to stay out of trouble. So how come she shows up when they take Patchy prisoner and why is it that she is so trigger happy, when before she was so afraid to even “encounter” anyone.

Just a random observation. When Penny wakes up we see the photo of her and Brother that they took on the wharf. They only took one picture (one copy) with which Brother walked away and he still had with him on the island. Also, are we ever going to find out why the beech craft was on the island?

Could it be that Jack is Him?

So long...

#204. Posted by: itsiph at March 19, 2007 6:29 AM

itsiph

What beach craft are you refering too

#205. Posted by: btly at March 19, 2007 9:17 AM

If Mikhail had a death wish (for whatever reason) and his "Thank you" was meant to mena, "thanks for pushing me into this invisible fence that I know is gonig to fry me quick" then why didn't he simply walk into it himself when they got close?

I mena, I can understand him trying to fake out Sayid and company by saying it hasn't been active for years -- hence hoping that the ywould walk through it and he could hang back and live. But once he realized they weren't buying it, why not walk through it himself? Did he have some kind of "seer" ability and knew that Locke would push him across? Or, does the fence require some kind of "activaiton" in terms of a mental wish? Just thoughts...

Anxious for this Wednesday, that's for sure!

#206. Posted by: GatorGal at March 19, 2007 1:08 PM

I recall when Penny got the phone call, she was in bed with a man. The wharf picture was next to the phone. The phone conversation was that they thought they found "him" without a reference to Desmond. I think that scene was Penny and Desmond at their flat, and Penny was looking for someone else.

#207. Posted by: welh at March 19, 2007 1:17 PM

@GatorGal

When you reference the concept of "mental wish" that an event would occur then it happens, I have an element of that in one of my working show theories.

First, the List means certain people on the passenger manifest. Flight 815 was an mass UFO/alien abduction. The aliens have been abducting people for years, in different ways, like "recruiting" Juliet to leave Florida for specific research/experimentation on human reproduction.

Second, the aliens can control matter and read human minds. Mind control over physical matter.

Third, the island is the alien's lab rat maze where they observe the interactions of humans to study their behavior. The aliens use the memories of their captives to create a human world and create conflict.

Fourth, the aliens mind control over the subjects is akin to the Star Trek pilot, the Cage, where if you believed that there was a barrier, pain, etc. it is created in reality. If Patchy believed the barrier fence was real and dangerous, when he went through it he would die . . . and that mental picture was completed and he would die.

So the overall concept of the show is alien abduction meets Star Trek sci-fi.

#208. Posted by: welh at March 19, 2007 1:34 PM

So let me get this straight. Russeau is looking for her daughter, and that is the same girl that is BEN's daughter?

If that almighty fence is an alarm system, why, when they get to the compound, is nobody aware that it went off?

If the 'island' can cure Locke's paralysis, why couldn't the 'island' raise Jack's dad from the dead? I mean really, we have no clue yet what this 'island' is capable of do we?

#209. Posted by: Fred at March 19, 2007 2:52 PM

The sonic fence is more of a security system. It must be zapping creatures who wander in all the time, so there's no point in sounding an alarm. It's like a bug zapper.

The selective healing properties of the island is an unknown.

itsiph: you talkin about the Beech 18 the smugglers and Ekco's brother used?

welh: if it's an alien abduction, what's gonna be the payoff? Somehow the Losties are going to be seen as heroic, not as zoo animals for some little green men.

#210. Posted by: XtraCripsy at March 19, 2007 8:04 PM

@Ice

>-Does anyone remember between 1st and the 2nd season there was a "video" released that was supposed to be a clue into Dharma. It was a video made in hiding behind some Dharma wooden boxes and it recorded a training session where the "professor" was a scientist telling his pupils that the whole mission was about purifying the dying human race... hmm... I think that is what the OTHERS are doing, but what happened to the DHARMA team?

That video was actually the culmination of the "Lost Experience" game that the geeks among us participated in between seasons 2 and 3. If you slide up to the top of this blog entry there's a link to "Lost Experience Explained", a write up I made for mac to add to the blog. At the bottom of the writeup there's a link to the video, still available on YouTube.

The 'professor' in the video is Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk, the VP of the Hanso Foundation who, at least temporarily, (in terms of the game) took over the Hanso Foundation, imprisoning Alvar Hanso.

One thing the producers/writers of Lost have never made clear is just how reliable the revelations of the game are in terms of the continuing story of Lost.

The game would seem to indicate that Hanso/Dharma is still quite active today.

The series seems to say that, at least on the island, Dharma is mysteriously absent, and the Others are 'something else'. All part of the mystery we await revelations for.

Good Luck, and Namaste!

#211. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 20, 2007 1:15 AM

I'm just waiting until a humanities/philosophy major is stranded on the island. What would they say regarding a bunch of people's names?

My background is so-so, and I must admit that I did not know who Mikhail Bakunin (Patchy) was, and that he is considered one of the fathers of anarchism.

http://tinyurl.com/yhmyrw

I do gotta wonder though - Were the writers simply fans of philosophy while in university, and the use of famous names is a homage, or does it mean more to what the show is about?

#212. Posted by: Shikotee at March 20, 2007 2:16 AM

Yes, I mean the Beech Craft with Echo's brother and all the dope in it. I just watched Season 1 and 2 and although it is never used again (in Season 3, it is kind of forgotten by the writers). The losties, plane, the balloon of Henry Gale, Des' ship, they were all over or on the Pacific when they crashed on the island but a flight from Nigeria on a plane that does not have range to reach anywhere near the Pacific 8-)

So long...

#213. Posted by: itsiph at March 20, 2007 2:29 AM

@Gatorgal Mar. 15 1:28 pm , you're right about Locke. Everyone's reading to far into it. He looks suprised
(to me) after the explosion.

That banter between Kate and Rousseu was interesting. Rousseu seems pretty sharp. I don't think she's a spy.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#214. Posted by: thinng at March 20, 2007 4:41 AM

I've heard somewhere, that in the Bible Jesus says to a man something like "do it for 77 times". This means INFINITY. Maybe that's some hint to Lost...

#215. Posted by: 336places at March 20, 2007 5:24 AM

@ Fred: Like I posted before, I think there is some cofusion about Alex being Bens daughter: if we are to believe what Rousseau told the survivors when they first met her, she was 7 months pregnant (presumably by "her love Robert"), when she stranded on the island. So, either she had had "history" with Ben in the outside world (Ben = "Robert"?, very unlikely) or Ben just raised Alex after she had been kidnapped as a baby, but is not her real dad. Which (together with the motherhood of Rousseau) would be something still to be revealed to Alex.

#216. Posted by: John K at March 20, 2007 5:32 AM

and one more...

Ben said that he was his entire life on the island. That confirms version of Mikhail about the Hostiles living there before the begin of Dharma. Am I mistaken? For me Ben looks older than Dharma

#217. Posted by: 336places at March 20, 2007 5:35 AM

When patchy said they were flawed, i think he was referring to Locke with the flawed bit, aka locke being a cripple!

#218. Posted by: Mong at March 20, 2007 7:53 AM

Consider the possiblity of post-life, resurrection type interaction on the Island, given the 'healing' properties of the Island, and the 'magnificence' of Jacob, and unexplained power driving the 'Smoke Monster'.

Klugh, Bakunin, Ben (on the table) - no fear of dying for the cause.

Anna Lucia, Libby, Shannon, Boone, Kelvin - dead and buried, living the afterlife somewhere else on the Island?

Christian Shepard - body missing.

Something to chew on for upcoming episodes.

#219. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at March 20, 2007 1:15 PM

re: John Locke's change in recent epis...

I believe that part of John's motivation over the last few epis is that he has just seen what smokey did to Eko, who then said to John, "They’re coming next for you."

#220. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 20, 2007 3:42 PM

bcre8ve - very interesting thought there. I'm still thinking that when he hit 77 he got a set of recorded instructions which clued him in on the C4 & gave him some sort of mission over at Losteria Lane, but the Eko warning could be causing some rash decisions.

John K - I just don't trust Rousseau anymore so I don't know how much of her story we can count on. She goes from being so knowledgeable about the island to so ignorant it boggle the mind. Ben's behavior could easily be eager adopted daddy-like but my distrust of Rousseau keeps telling me otherwise.

#221. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 20, 2007 4:32 PM

@Dr. Bologna - Rousseau certainly has more going on than she is letting on. This is apparent on a couple of levels:

1) Her character at face value - More than once she has cutoff someone about to divulge information (most recently Patchy with Locke)

2) Her character from a writer's perspective. Why is she kept hanging around? She doesn't do anything. It was Locke's reading of Eko's stick that enabled the group to find the Flame.

#222. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 20, 2007 5:24 PM

Does anyone else agree with me that Desmond's knowledge of Charlie's ultimate demise means that Charlie WILL eventually DIE. (IMHO At some point Desmond will be involved in a situation when he simply will not be able to change Charlie's fate.) After all, the world does have a way of course correcting.
For those who agree I think it would be fun to suggest possible Charlie deaths. Any takers?

#223. Posted by: kilorooster at March 20, 2007 6:51 PM

This is something I’ve been mulling over for awhile kilorooster. I don’t agree that Charlie’s fate is ironclad. We know, per Cracker Oracle, that the universe self corrects and that nothing Desmond does will prevent it for long. That’s all well and good when we’re dealing with Desmond reliving his life. But right now he’s having flashbacks to things that haven’t happened yet. Even if he did jump to the future & back but we haven’t gotten that story yet, all bets should have been off after saving Charlie from the lightning bolt, no? Something’s giving him the power to course correct the self corrections, if you will. I think what’s going on with good ol’Des speaks more to Charlie’s destiny than Desmond’s.

That said my guess is Charlie’s rescued, goes back to England & finally dies from a heroin overdose.

#224. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 20, 2007 7:54 PM

@kilorooster re: Charlie's death.

In an attempt to make ammends with Claire, Desmod offers to watch Aaron so that Claire can have an evening out.

So then...

Charlie takes Claire for a ride in Hurley's van when suddenly it is struck by lightening, rolls down a hill into the ocean, hits repeatedy up against the rocks (scaring many a bird away in the process), and in an attempt to save his guitar, Charlie drowns.

A tearful Claire returns to Desmond and explains what has just transpired. Desmond mumbles under his breath, "Boy, I didn't see that coming..."

Fade to black, "Bad Robot"

#225. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 20, 2007 8:46 PM

wow...that was a good one there...too good even. I almost feel like I just read a spoiler. Touche!!

#226. Posted by: kilorooster at March 20, 2007 9:12 PM

With all this talk about Roussaou, she has to ba an other or something. Just like when she found " Henry Gail" in that trap. If he's such an important part, or I should say important other why would he just be walking around...

#227. Posted by: Amyiscool at March 21, 2007 10:35 AM

@Dr Bolongna - "I'm still thinking that when he hit 77 he got a set of recorded instructions which clued him in on the C4 & gave him some sort of mission over at Losteria Lane, but the Eko warning could be causing some rash decisions."

I totally agree. He may have even blown up the Flame under instructions per the computer. I think that he definetly is on a mission from the computer as well.

@Kilorooster - "I think it would be fun to suggest possible Charlie deaths. Any takers?"

Maybe Mac could start a new thread.

#228. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 21, 2007 10:55 AM

Charlie escapes from the island, rejoins Driveshaft, which, in an attempt to go Spinal Tap one better gets amps that go up to twelve. On the first fortissimo in "You All, Everybody" Charlie is sonic-vibrated to death.

#229. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 21, 2007 11:06 AM

Ask and ye shall receive ...

Presenting: How Will Charlie Die?
http://tinyurl.com/2dqh82

-- mac

#230. Posted by: mac at March 21, 2007 11:08 AM

How Charlie dies:

This will probably be the cliff hanger:
Something to the effect of Charlie is tryin' to save Claire and Aaron and you hear gunfire! LOST pops up...

#231. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 21, 2007 11:24 AM

In this week's official Lost podcast, producers Cuse and Lindelof referred to the Barracks as "New Otherton."

Personally, I like our names better.

***** POTENTIAL SPOILER *****

In this week's official Lost podcast, producers Cuse and Lindelof divulged that everything that Patchy said while posing as a DARHMA operative (with the exception of being the last surviving member of DARHMA) should be taken as him telling the truth as he understands it. "Everything that he says...is true - or at least he believes it to be..."

Not so much a spoiler but some people may not want to know this info as it adds to the mystery.

***** END POTENTIAL SPOILERS *****

#232. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2007 12:30 PM

@336places - Jesus tells the apostles to forgive someone "not just seven times, but 77 times" (sometimes translated as 70 times 7), which basically means every time, or infinity, as you suggested.

7 is a very symbolic number in the Bible, especially in Revelation. The 7 churches, the 7 seals, etc.

I'm not sure how that relates to entering 77 in the computer when hostiles take over.

My question with that is, if the hostiles were taking over the Flame, how would one have time to beat the computer in chess before entering 77 to alert Dharma that they were under attack? Seems like an inefficient way to alert someone that you're in trouble.

#233. Posted by: GFish at March 21, 2007 2:39 PM

@GFish

>My question with that is, if the hostiles were taking over the Flame, how would one have time to beat the computer in chess before entering 77 to alert Dharma that they were under attack? Seems like an inefficient way to alert someone that you're in trouble.

Maybe it's a way you could enter the code even while operating the console under guard, after the station had been taken over.

#234. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 21, 2007 3:30 PM

Lame, late question: Can anyone tell me what the title of last week's ep is all about? Par Avion?

I of course have figured everything else out on the show except this.

Thanks for the help.

#235. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 21, 2007 3:32 PM

Par Avion = "By Air" often used to stamp air mail

#236. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2007 3:43 PM

Par Avion is french and is roughly translated as "By Plane/air" in english, probably a reference to the seagulls that we saw in this ep.

#237. Posted by: sky at March 21, 2007 3:44 PM

Thanks ya'll.

#238. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 21, 2007 3:54 PM

has anyone thought about eko's last words to locke. he said "he says you're next", right? maybe he meant that they (the losties) are the next hostiles or the next others or something in that same line of thought.

#239. Posted by: MasterSplinter at March 21, 2007 5:55 PM

3-12 - Par Avion

Escape the island?
Claire still hopes; Charlie will help.
Bennsylvania

#240. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 20, 2008 2:06 PM

I'm amazed I didn't see the name "Wednesday Addams" somewhere on this page.

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