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Season 3, Episode 18 Episode Air Date: 04/25/07 |
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Point 1
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It's becoming readily apparent that the "Lost" crew is much smarter than me (but I'm sure you already knew that).
Case in point: When Sun's pregnancy was first revealed in "The Whole Truth" I figured it to be a melodramatic secondary plot that sorta-kinda justified Sun and Jin's continued presence on the island. What I didn't expect is that the core question of this plot line -- i.e. Who's the Daddy? -- would plug directly into one of the island's larger mysteries. Nor did I anticipate the paternity question would be addressed anytime soon. But the "Losties" surprised me again. And that's a good thing. So let's recap. The episode opens with an odd exchange between Jack and Sun in Sun's secret garden (which has now been rebuilt 10 times). Under the guise of "helpful neighborhood doctor," Jack swings by to ask Sun about her pregnancy. But Sun's no fool. She may seem sweet and kind, but Sun's bloodline is pockmarked with criminal duplicity (courtesy of her father, Mr. Paik), so she knows a ruse when she sees it. And this thing with Jack ... it's a ruse. Following the Jack exchange, Sun goes to Kate because they're BFFs and, more importantly, Sun knows she can pry information out of her. Sun gets things rolling with a suggestion that Jack may have been turned by the Others -- "How do we know he isn't working with them?" she asks. It's a brief bit of dialog, but it's an important moment: never before has Jack's loyalty been overtly questioned. Kate initially defends Jack, but his dalliance with trampy Juliet and that evil handshake he shared with Ben ("The Man from Tallahassee") have planted doubt in Katie's tween mind, and the doubt quickly manifests itself as a revelation. She tells Sun that Juliet is a fertility doctor (useful) and the Others kidnapped Claire because they wanted her baby for research (not so useful). Sun goes on the warpath. She finds Juliet at the camp watering hole/urinal and demands immediate answers. "I want to know about your research," Sun seethes. Juliet's eyes settle into her Jedi "I'm not here, I'm in Miami" look. But Sun is immune to Juliet's mind tricks. "Why are you taking children?" Sun spits. "What happens to pregnant women?" Juliet knows the jig is up. "They die," she says coldly. "They all die." Sun wasn't expecting that answer. Her anger turns to fear. Juliet returns to the urine trough. But this isn't over. Later that night, Sun sleeps alone in her tent (Jin is still on his camping trip/rescue expedition), so Juliet sneaks in and clamps her hand over Sun's mouth. This seems like an odd way to treat a pregnant woman, but Juliet learned this technique from esteemed mentor Dr. Cliff Huxtable. Juliet is in her pissy/evil mood. In no uncertain terms, she tells Sun that if she wants help -- if she wants to cling to one last sliver of hope -- she needs to accompany Juliet on a secret trip. Juliet's bedside manner leaves something to be desired (Who'd she learn it from? Jack?), but her argument is compelling. Sun agrees and so the duo goes tromping through the jungle to revisit the abandoned medical hatch. Remember this thing? Kate, Claire and Rousseau rummaged around the decrepit medical hatch in "Maternity Leave," but their only significant discovery was a fake beard and natty old clothing (aka "Other Hobo Gear"). Sun knows about this hatch -- she claims Kate and Claire told her about it (when did the castaways start communicating?) -- but, to Sun's knowledge, the hatch is abandoned and useless. Or is it? Upon arriving, Juliet flips on the lights -- she's clearly spent a lot of time in this place. Sun blinks as the hatch's fluorescent bulbs spark to life. The gravity of the situation starts to settle in. She asks Juliet why she's helping her. This is when we get a glimpse of the kind Dr. Juliet Burke. "Once upon a time, I told women that they were pregnant and their faces ... it was the best news they ever got in their entire life," Juliet says, smiling. But her smile disappears. She tells Sun that she's lost nine island patients in the last three years and, for once, she wants to give someone good news (and, presumably, she wants to remember what it's like to be a regular doctor with a regular job instead of an island priestess held captive by a bug-eyed megalomaniac). Unfortunately, there's a wee problem with the "good news." As we discovered in "One of Us," a pregnant woman's island survival is tied to her conception date. If her child was conceived off the island, she'll probably live (e.g. Claire), but if babymaking took place on the island, both mother and child are very, very screwed. Juliet tells Sun all this and Sun immediately realizes she's in a pickle. Since there's no one else to talk to and Juliet has shown a willingness to help, Sun reveals that she had an affair before coming to the island ("The Glass Ballerina"). That means, if Juliet determines the baby was conceived before the plane crash, Sun will live, but the baby won't be Jin's. On the flip side, if the baby was conceived during island time, the baby is Jin's, but Sun and the baby are both goners. Sidenote: Isn't option A (the baby isn't Jin's) a little better than option B (Sun and the baby die)? Sun seems to think they're equal, which doesn't make much sense to me. Of course, I'm applying reason to a TV show that features a shape-shifting smoke monster. So maybe my point is moot. Moving on ... After their heart-to-heart, Juliet guides Sun to the hatch's locker room. This is the same spot where Kate found the discarded hobo gear. What Kate didn't find was a secret lever that opens a secret door to a secret room. Juliet opens a locker and pulls down on a creaky metal switch. Deep rumbling echoes through the hatch as a locker room wall shifts and a heavy blast door slowly cracks open. Juliet guides Sun toward the door. We've seen this room before. This is where Claire was kept after Ethan kidnapped her. Back then, the room looked like a nursery, but now the baby furniture and decorations are stacked in a corner. Standing in the doorway, Sun looks over the room and asks Juliet where they are. Juliet pauses. Her icy demeanor is gone. "It's where we brought the women to die," Juliet says quietly. Nice. C'mon in and let's take a looksie at that demon spawn of yours! Juliet organizes the room and whips out an ultrasound machine (because that's a perfectly reasonable thing to have on a remote tropical island). As Jules preps, Sun tells her there's really no way Jin is the father. He's as sterile as a Lysol puddle ("The Whole Truth"). And this is when dorky Dr. Burke shows up to instruct us on the finer points of sperm counts. She tells Sun that the average sperm count is between 60 and 80 million ("Jeopardy" fact!). But here's the kicker: on this island, the sperm count is 5 times the average. Good lord. No wonder the island is killing off pregnant women! With fertility like that, the island's population would crack 200 million in 5 years. Juliet fires up the ultrasound and switches into Kind Doctor Mode. She slides the ultrasound wand over Sun's stomach and, within seconds, that familiar whoosh whoosh whoosh noise emerges. Sun beams. She knows this is a crappy situation, but dammit, that's a baby and there's just no way to feel bad when you see that squirmy little miracle appear on an ultrasound screen. Jules and Sun share a moment, and for a brief second, things are good. But there's work to do. Juliet turns toward the ultrasound and performs a few calculations. The envelope please ... "You crashed here 90 days ago," Juliet says. "The baby was conceived about 8 weeks ago. You got pregnant on the island." Woo! The baby is Jin's! Crap! The baby is Jin's. Sun weeps. Juliet's face drops, but Sun looks up. She's happy. She's happy because the baby is Jin's. Sometime later, Sun and Juliet leave the hatch, but once outside Juliet says she wants to backtrack to make sure she didn't leave any evidence lying around (like a recently used ultrasound machine and date-of-conception documentation). Sun waits outside while Juliet darts back into hatch. Juliet moves into the locker room and reaches into a locker. There's a tape recorder inside. She hits the record button. What the? "Ben, it's 6 a.m. on Saturday morning," Juliet says, speaking into the recorder. "Kwon is pregnant. The fetus is healthy and was conceived on-island with her husband. They were sterile before they got here." Sonofabitch "I'm still working on getting samples from the other women. I should have Austin's soon. I'll report back when I know more." WHAT-WHAT-WHAT? Austin=Kate. They set her up! The dress! The bear cages! The Roofies in the fish biscuits! Juliet snaps the recorder off. And this is when we get a hint of things to come. "I hate you," she says out loud, referring to Ben. Ah-ha! Juliet is alone. The recorder was off. It's an honest moment and, more importantly, it suggests that Ben is forcing Juliet to double-cross the castaways. But why? And how?
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Prior to this episode, the Sun-Jin backstory seemed straightforward. They were a star-crossed pair from different sides of the tracks who drifted apart when family obligations got in the way. Toss in a rich/powerful father, a dash of violence, a suicide, and an extramarital affair and you've got yourself a nice little soap opera.
But in this episode, we learn there's a much deeper level of complication in Sun and Jin's relationship. So here's what we learn:
Sidenote: Jin's questionable lineage has to be a set up for something bigger. To date, Jin's fisherman dad is the series' only decent father figure, and you just know the writers aren't going to let that stand. So, who is Jin's real dad? When will he appear on the island? Could Jin and Sun share more than a marital connection? (I hope not ... inadvertent incest is best left to indie films and bad literature, not "Lost.") |
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Point 3
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At the end of last week's episode, Desmond had just unmasked the "pilot" who parachuted onto the island and got stuck in a tree. As this episode opens, the pilot is still alive, but she's in rough shape -- a nasty nub of tree branch is shoved into her lung and she's moving in and out of consciousness.
The boys all agree that Tree Girl needs to be saved, but they argue about the best way to make that happen. Desmond volunteers to run back to camp and get Jack, but Charlie blocks his path, citing the dangers of running through an Other-infested jungle (Charlie is also concerned about his "life keeper" abandoning him). "Nobody knows we're here!" Desmond says, defending their relative safety. BOOM! A flare arcs high into the air and explodes over their location. Desmond, Charlie and Jin look down at Hurley. Smoke wafts from a flare gun clutched in Hurley's hand. "Whoops," Hurley says sheepishly. The boys continue to argue (little known fact: extended debate is a recognized treatment for lung punctures), but their sniping is soon interrupted by the sound of nearby footsteps. The group falls silent. The footsteps grow louder. Desmond reaches for his machete. A man emerges from the brush. OH... MY ... GOD Mikhail Bakunin! It's Mikhail Friggin Bakunin! The sonic death fence didn't kill him! How? Why? But there's no time for questions. Bakunin realizes he's made a mistake following the flare, so he turns and darts back into the trees. Jin -- who's suddenly become the island's action hero -- runs after Bakunin and easily catches him. The two tussle and for a moment it seems Bakunin has the drop, but Jin unloads a stunning series of punches and blocks. Bakunin staggers back. Jin whips his leg through the air and cracks Bakunin across the jaw! Jin = Baaaaad man. Desmond and Charlie arrive moments later and help haul Bakunin back toward the dying Tree Girl (it makes sense; she probably should be monitored). Desmond shoves the flare gun into Bakunin's chest and demands answers, but Bakunin doesn't say a word. Charlie recognizes ol' Mikhail as the guy Locke shoved into the sonic death fence (again -- when did the castaways start talking?). The interrogation is interrupted by Tree Girl. She mutters something in Italian. The castaways are confused. "She says she's dying and needs help," Bakunin notes. The boys look incredulously at their captive. Bakunin senses an opening, so he offers his services as a field medic. And with that, the boys step back and let Bakunin examine their fallen Tree Girl. After a cursory exam, Bakunin notices the wooden nub protruding from Tree Girl's side. "Well, there's yer problem," Bakunin says, twirling a toothpick. "She's got a branch shoved in 'er lung." Bakunin knows the power just shifted in his direction, so he makes a deal with Desmond: He'll fix up Tree Girl, but the boys need to let him walk away. Desmond agrees. This girl fell from the sky clutching a picture of his beloved Penny; there's no way she's going to die on his watch. Bakunin morphs into the Medical MacGuyver. Using a syringe, a dab of gauze and a banana peel, he ventilates Tree Girl's lung and successfully extracts the tree nub. Tree Girl screams, but the worst has passed. As her consciousness fades, she looks at Bakunin and says something in Russian. The boys look on, confused. Bakunin claims she thanked him (can anyone confirm this?). Tree Girl passes out and Bakunin says she'll be better in a day or so. Charlie scoffs -- the woman just had her lung punctured by a tree, how could she possibly recover in a day? "On this island, the wounds are a bit different ... maybe a day and a half," Bakunin says with a slight smile. What's that, Mikhail? Different wounds? Might you be alluding to your own recovery from a SONIC BRAIN HEMORRHAGE? Unfortunately (but not unexpectedly), none of the castaways pursue the comment and the topic is dropped. Bakunin moves to leave, but Charlie blocks his path. He's sick of letting these damn Others escape. Desmond overrules Charlie, claiming they gave their word. Bakunin smirks at Charlie and departs. But Action Jin is still on the case. He knows something is wrong, so he shuffles through Desmond's bag and discovers that the broken satellite phone is missing (remember: Tree Girl came with a satellite phone, but its batteries are dead). Jin, Charlie and Desmond rush after Bakunin and easily catch him. He coughs up the phone, but Charlie is gunning for a fight. Bakunin provokes him, but Jin and Desmond hold him back and allow Bakunin to depart. The next morning, Jin, Charlie and Desmond construct a makeshift stretcher for Tree Girl while Hurley watches over their still-unconscious patient. Tree Girl stirs and opens her eyes. She asks the requisite questions: "Where am I?" Answer: an island "Who are you?" Answer: Hugo Reyes, a survivor of Oceanic 815. And this is when things get very interesting. The mention of 815 spreads confusion across Tree Girl's face. "815? Flight 815? The one from Sydney?" Tree Girl asks. Hurley confirms it. "That's not possible," she says. "Flight 815 ... they found the plane." Wait for it ... WAAAAAIT FOR IT ... "There were no survivors," Tree Girl says. "They were all dead." And then it ends!
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Point 4
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A few closing questions and observations:
That's all I've got! Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture. |
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Next Episode:
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| "The Brig" -- Locke returns, and he's got an interesting proposition for Sawyer. Airs Wednesday, May 2, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC. | |
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Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc. |
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Posted by Mac on April 26, 2007 11:56 AM | Email This
wow am i 2nd?? cool! omg r these people
dead! wow! i luv this show n mac!
GAFRAM!
They just keep throwing us curve balls don't they...
I don't think Juliet is going to be able to completely go through with any diabolical Ben plans. She obviously hates him too much and is under his coercion. She's a sharp cookie- she'll figure a way out of the situation.
I don't buy any of the parallel universe type theories. I think the explanation may be as simple as Dharma/The Others/some other associated party planted some wreckage to be found and associated with Flight 815.
→ 3. Posted by: JoePike at April 26, 2007 12:09 PMAm I the first comment? Dang, thought it was a good episode, maybe The one eyed russian did die but the island healed him, and allm the poeple on the plane died too but they were healed... But then how did the 9 pregnant woman die.. hmm this is a doozy...
→ 4. Posted by: Joe King at April 26, 2007 12:10 PMI have a feeling Juliette will eventually turn on Ben..
Good review Macie baby!
→ 5. Posted by: John Gotti at April 26, 2007 12:13 PMi think the translation of the tree girls final foreign language is something along the lines of im not the only one
→ 6. Posted by: asdf at April 26, 2007 12:13 PMFunny how Juliette new about all the secret stuff in the "station"..
→ 7. Posted by: Harold Miller at April 26, 2007 12:15 PMPenny's father has the power to fake plane crashes and alter FAA reports. He is one powerfull dude. Great episode and great recap Mac.
→ 8. Posted by: Glen at April 26, 2007 12:15 PMYo on the real this is my first season peepen the show, and its FIRE!!! I am a lil upset my boy Tay Diggs show was taken off, but other than that this is Onions!
Good recap playa!
→ 9. Posted by: Omar Adams at April 26, 2007 12:18 PMHey, I thought russian dude said "...The rules are diffeent..." did he say "wounds?"
→ 10. Posted by: JaSoN at April 26, 2007 12:20 PM@#6/asdf: I've read the same thing, she said something like, "I'm not alone."
@#8/Glen: I thought the same thing when I was watching. Penny's father has something to do with it. Probably a cover up with a different plane so no one would continue searching for the real flight 815. But Penny is on to him and has her own search party.
→ 11. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 12:20 PMMac:
2 things:
Another blog states that Naoami says, in Brazillian Style Portuguese, something to the effect that, "There are others". Since the other backpack has the Portuguese version of Catch -22 the implication is that at least one of the "Weather Station" guys is with her.,
Did anyone notice in the scene between Sun and Jin's Dad the Tae Kwon Do Statue/Award on the table in the background? Jin seems to have been proficient in the Martial Arts before he was in the Military.
→ 12. Posted by: Usually Lurkin' at April 26, 2007 12:20 PMHey, I thought russian dude said "...The rules are diffeent..." did he say "wounds?"
→ 13. Posted by: JaSoN at April 26, 2007 12:20 PMHey, I thought russian dude said "...The rules are diffeent..." did he say "wounds?"
→ 14. Posted by: JaSoN at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM-Juliet's eyes settle into her Jedi "I'm not here, I'm in Miami" look.
-Juliet learned this technique from esteemed mentor Dr. Cliff Huxtable.
-(and, presumably, she wants to remember what it's like to be a regular doctor with a regular job instead of an island priestess held captive by a bug-eyed megalomaniac).
OK, OK, I'll stop or I'll just be re-posting the entire re-cap...utter brilliance. Mac, you da man.
New term for island male potency = SPERMICHLORIANS!
I immediately thought this was one of those cliffhangers that will be dismissed rather anticlimactically in a few episodes, like the rescuers found the planes fuseloge that had travelled back out to sea or something. I hope I am proven wrong.
→ 16. Posted by: trevenator at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM@9.Omar Adams
>I am a lil upset my boy Tay Diggs show was taken off, but other than that this is Onions!
You do know that the remaining episodes of "Daybreak" are available on the ABC website, right?
→ 17. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 12:21 PMFinally I get on here from Barcelona without being buried under 200+ posts! Haven't seen the episode yet (we don't get the current ones yet, they are being dubbed for the Spanish viewers) but will download later from Itunes.
Thanks Mac for the reviews, really helps me decide which ones to download. Just wanted to please ask for you to avoid exact dialogue if you could--paraphrase is better. Then it is more of a surprise for us Losties overseas. Great stuff everybody, I check this a lot and love the commentaries and acronyms!
Hasta pronto,
Mark
Hey everyone, I was staying at a hotel in Hawaii and ran into the actor that plays Walt, he looks so much older, he said the season finale is going to be nuts, I cant wait. The paracute chic know mad languages... hmm wonder whats up with that...
→ 19. Posted by: Neo at April 26, 2007 12:22 PMThe interweb says that rather than "Thank you," Naomi was saying: "I am not alone."
Others were on the 'copter with her?
→ 20. Posted by: Lex at April 26, 2007 12:25 PMWell, I didn't see THAT one coming--there were no survivors? Some questions were answered, but several more are posed. I can't wrap my brain around all the time travel/alternate universe stuff.
I did think it was notable that Sun asked Kate "Don't you think Jack seems...different?" Do you think this could be a "substitute Jack"? Like a clone or something?
Great review, Mac. As usual.
Great job, Mac,
If what Naomi says is true - and we really don't know that it is - I'm thinking that maybe Oceanic 815 went through some kind of EM wormhole that's sort of a cross between a camera and a Star Trek-type transporter. So the folks on the beach aren't clones per se, but more like photographs of their former selves. Some are negatives and some are positives. They seem to get fully "re-" developed, except for that whole reproductive thing. Maybe ovaries, being reproductive factories in their own right, don't copy well.
Some folks like Juliet, Des, Mikhail, Rousseau were brought to the island somehow and are their true one and only selves, but the ones who went through the Metaphysical Xerox machine are living on borrowed time.
Patchy is back?!? Maybe they oughta start digging up Paolikki...
→ 22. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 26, 2007 12:25 PMCan't wait to find out what Naomi was actually saying in Russian and Italian. She needs to be a love interest for someone... I wonder who...
→ 23. Posted by: Melissa at April 26, 2007 12:26 PMShould we trust what Juliet told Sun and Ben about the D.O.C.? Keep in mind that Juliet is very good at deception, and all she wants is to get off the island. She can't leave until she is able to sucessfully deliver a baby conceived on the island.
Suppose that Juliet discovered the actual D.O.C. was prior to the crash, so the baby was not conceived on the island. If that is true, Sun will successfully deliver her baby just like Claire. If Juliet can lead everyone else to believe that the baby was conceived on the island and then successfully deliver the baby, then her work is done and Ben will let her leave.
→ 24. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 12:26 PMMen have five times the normal sperm count on the island?!?!?!?!?!
Kate is SO knocked up. Bank on it.
→ 25. Posted by: Rob at April 26, 2007 12:27 PM@Markymark: Sorry, Mark. I need to pick my spots. If I try to customize for every possible viewer (U.S., international, future downloader, etc.) I'd go nutty. The dialog I include often says things better and faster than I ever could.
→ 26. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 12:30 PM@9.Omar Adams
>I am a lil upset my boy Tay Diggs show was taken off, but other than that this is Onions!
You do know that the remaining episodes of "Daybreak" are available on the ABC website, right?
→ 17. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM
No Way!!! U My frend Made my day, My week, MY LIFE!! I was gunna peep it on DVD if it ever came out, and i found someone selling bootleg copies on ebay but Im def gunna check it on the web now.. Holla! Good looken out!
"there's just no way to feel bad when you see that squirmy little miracle appear on an ultrasound screen"
Spoken like a true daddy who's been there, done that! ;)
I think the best line of the night (rather than "Mom?") was: "Like...I'd...tell you?" LMFAO! Way to be a badass, Hugo!
Glad Bakunin's back. He's an awesome character! Plus, someone's gotta change the kitty litter.
I'm with JoePike about the planted wreckage. I believe it was either Dharma trying to stop people from searching for it (and possibly finding the island in the process) or Mr. Widmore trying to keep Penny from finding Desmond on the same island. Like he said, "With enough money and determination you can stop anyone from finding anyone." :)
→ 28. Posted by: Trinity at April 26, 2007 12:32 PM"there's just no way to feel bad when you see that squirmy little miracle appear on an ultrasound screen."
Spoken like a true father.
Love your reviews
→ 29. Posted by: T at April 26, 2007 12:32 PMGood Blog, but one error. The vault was not where the nursery was, its just where they hid everything when they abandoned it. The Nursery was in the hall and Kate found it. There were discolorations on the walls where the decorations used to be. Juliet just knew where the equipment was stashed...
→ 30. Posted by: Sanderson at April 26, 2007 12:33 PMMac: Thank you for another great summary.
Gut feeling: Jack could be a bad guy. Juliet is a good guy disguised as a bad guy disguised as a good guy. What??? Once again, I'm lost. Also think Kate is preggers!!!
If the island's healing powers are so great, why couldn't Kate's Marshall recover/survive?
→ 32. Posted by: MacistheMan at April 26, 2007 12:37 PMAnd what was up with Desmond letting Bakunin go, after he stole the Satellite phone. I’d think that the minute he tried to pull a fast one, all bets are off, and he could be taken prisoner, without Desmond breaking his word.
→ 33. Posted by: Usually Lurkin' at April 26, 2007 12:38 PMThis is the only Lost recap I read religiously but the first time I've posted -
Did it seem as if Patchy was running towards the site of the flare a bit intently? Almost as if he were waiting for a flare and knew to be on the lookout. He got there pretty quickly and looked shocked to see the Losties. Any ideas on who he may have been anticipating?
→ 34. Posted by: chesl8a0 at April 26, 2007 12:38 PMThe words that Tree Girl speaks to Mikhail are Portuguese and translate to:
"I am not alone" or
"I'm not the only one"
This straight from a neighbor who pseaks Port. and was borna dn raised in Brazil!
→ 35. Posted by: GatorGal at April 26, 2007 12:39 PM@ MacistheMan -
The same could be said for Boone; the island's healing powers didn't seem to do much for him. (Of course, having a plane land on you could rate higher on the mortal wounds list than Sonic Death Fence or tree limb in the lung.)
→ 36. Posted by: chesl8a0 at April 26, 2007 12:41 PM@ Cecil Rose: I'm still thinking the whole cloning thing is a significant possibility. Maybe the whole "good clone/bad clone" (i.e. good twin? bad twin?) thingy?
→ 37. Posted by: GatorGal at April 26, 2007 12:42 PMIf Dharma is able to sustain the island with complete secrecy, it isn't a stretch that they could provide wreckage of 815 to throw off search and rescuers.
Juliet may have lied to Sun and Ben about her DOC. If Ben believes Sun conceived on the island, and Sun & baby live, Juliet could say she "cured" the pregnant women dying problem and earn her ticket home.
→ 38. Posted by: LostGirl at April 26, 2007 12:46 PMAhhh...my weekly fix is now complete...first the show then the recap.
So how many of you out there were yelling for Sun to follow Juliet back into the hatch when she went in to close it up? I was going nuts.
The one thing that really bugged me about this episode was Hurley's line after he shot off that flare gun. "Oops" How weak was that? Very disappointing line. Perhaps that could be a question of the week...what should have Hurley said when he shot that gun off.
Thanks Mac
→ 39. Posted by: petew at April 26, 2007 12:47 PMI don't think Hurley was joking when he called on the sat. phone. I think he was calling his mom and when Naomi (pilot girl) woke up he turned it off so he would not get caught.
→ 40. Posted by: michael at April 26, 2007 12:49 PMCould Ethan & Goodwin still be alive?
Is this why Bea was so willing to take one in the chest from Bakunin?
What's with the super-human strength that the others have? Bakunin and Ethan were both able to lift men who weigh roughly 150 lbs. off of their feet.
I don't buy the alternate universe thing.
Unless ...
*** SPOILER ALERT ***
That would mean that the others have mastered string physics because of the islands geo-magnetic characterisitcs and can travel between dimensions to recruit someone like Juliet. The fact that Juliet was the only one revealed so far that was transported to the island (other than Locke's dad) messes with those alternate universe theories.
On the other hand, if the others do possess this ability, it explains a whole lot of the weird stuff like pirate ships, polar bears in the tropics, the "wish box", etc. For all Juliet knows, in the reality she comes from, her sister is actually dead from cancer and the images that Ben & Bakunin showed of her sister was of a reality where her sister never got sick in the first place. This would also explain the "good" and "bad" list the others keep, and so on.
I'm gonna stop now before I ramble into madness.
→ 41. Posted by: CA Mileham at April 26, 2007 12:49 PM@petew
I actually said - Sun's no dummy she's following her...
→ 42. Posted by: Melissa at April 26, 2007 12:50 PMI think the supposed wreckage of Flight 815 might be some sort of media conspiracy, perpetrated by Penny's father.
Let's just say that he is a financier of this initiative, which certainly seems plausible given the fact that he drinks scotch that is worth more than all of our lives combined. In addition, the fact that Penny knew to look for some sort of electromagnetic pulse leads us to believe that she knows something about the island, it's experiments, etc.
So, if Mr. Penny is indeed a financier of this project, he would want to keep it COMPLETELY secret. First, because they do some downright nasty stuff there, second, because they are doing medical research that could potentially net them BILLIONS of dollars.
It seems like they are working on cures for both cancer and infertility problems. If they were able to cure both problems with near certainty, there's no telling how much loot is at stake.
And, as we all know, pharmaceutical companies are evil. Hence, they would do anything to protect their investment.
So, when a friggin jet liner crashed on the island, Mr. Penny knew people would come looking for it, so, using his connections (most likely at Fox News), and his vast wealth, he was able to come up with some bogus footage of the wreck, complete with bodies (probably Other victims), and convince everyone that everything was done.
No survivors, no search and rescue, billions upon billions of dollars protected.
I mean hey, they faked the moon landing, a simple plain crash can't be so hard, right?
→ 43. Posted by: The Face at April 26, 2007 12:52 PMMac, Sheer brilliance once again, of course!
@ Copwife #24 - I never thought of that... brilliant!
@ Rob #25 - Yep, the others were lookin for more than porn, they wanted the two to hook up.
I have to say, this was truly one of the best episodes. I did not see any of what was revealed coming. I was totally blown away the entire hour. I was so sad for Jin, shocked about Mikhail, OK, not surprised by Dr Jules, then to hear the 815 crash had no survivors! WOW! At least by this rate, it looks like the rest of the season should be good... Unless, of course they just gave us the good stuff early and are going to make us suffer now until January... I could see that being a real possibility :(
→ 44. Posted by: AuntiePooh at April 26, 2007 12:54 PMNew Mikhail = twin = Jacob?
→ 45. Posted by: Eric at April 26, 2007 12:54 PM
Wow, mac. I would have hated to be you this morning . . Just trying to keep track of all the plot venues in last nights ep must have been daunting. But as always, good job. I appreciate (as we all do) your plot organizational skills - not to mention the humor - in last nights review. As usual, I like to set down at the computer immediately after the program and write my view - and then see how close I come to yours.
Thank goodness, YOURS is a lot more complete than my first thought was last night:
WHAT I SAW TONIGHT (11:07 EST - 4/25/07)
I haven’t the foggiest!
Ooops.
Patchy is supposed to be dead,
but he’s alive.
Naomi’s near death,
but she lives.
Sun and Jin’s baby lives,
but Sun is dead-girl-walking,
The Losties all LOOK alive,
but according to Naomi,
They’re all dead.
Iiiiii seeeeee deeeeaad peeepuuuul . . .
One Bright Spot: Juliet hates Ben.
So . . All is not lost. (no pun intended.)
DRH
@32.MacistheMan
>If the island's healing powers are so great, why couldn't Kate's Marshall recover/survive?
Lets think about this for a little bit. Suppose there is some agent on the island, natural or man-made, that you absorb by living there. You ingest it with your food, maybe, or breathe it in the air. Over time, it works wonders on the immune system. Wounds heal quickly. You never catch diseases. Cancers are reversed or repelled. A miracle, right?
But as any asthma sufferer can tell you, a hyperactive immune system is not always a good thing. And since a developing baby is basically a little invader in the body, but not completely of it, being genetically half not the mother's, maybe that hyper-immune system goes to war against the little invader, killing the mother and the child.
And maybe babies conceived on the island absorb this agent as well (maybe it's gene altering?), thus contibuting to the war within the mother's body, while babies conceived elsewhere have less antagonism with the mother's body.
Maybe this agent IS the disease that Dharma and Rousseau's science team were worried about, conveying enourmous benefits but with tragic costs as well.
OK, this theory would explain the healing powers experienced on the island, but only if you'd lived there long enough to "catch" them.
Thus the Marshall dies because he hasn't been there long enough, but Bakunin, Sawyer, and Naomi can recover - Note that this would imply that Naomi has been on the island before, or for some time, and is not a searcher just sent here at Penny Widmore's behest.
How, then to explain Locke's immediate paralysis cure? Maybe the shock of the crash 'fixed' something in his back, or maybe his paralysis was psychosomatic and the shock gave his mind an excuse to 'cure' him? At any rate, if the above theorizing explains anything, Locke's case has to be an exception, somehow.
Good Luck, and Namaste!
→ 47. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 12:58 PMI agree with copwife and lostgirl about the date of conception being pre-island. You don't hear a heartbeat on an ultrasound at 8 weeks. I think Juliet is lying so she can deliver a live baby and get off the island.
→ 48. Posted by: equeyaya at April 26, 2007 1:01 PMfirst time poster, long time lurker. great review.
@ lex: remember after patchy fixed the tree girl, she mumbled something and everyone asked what she said... he had this weird look on his face and said she said 'thank you,' but obviously he was lying.
i think juliette will turn on ben. she has to.
Couple of comments:
About the sidenote, Sun's baby dilemma, in a culture where honor is everything, I think both options really end Sun's life. Either the same shame that caused Korean Kareem to throw his last skyhook, or the real inevitable death without dishonor. Even if she can put aside the shame thing, if the baby wasn't Jin's, it's just one last kick in the face to somebody who's life she's really screwed up, and I believe she loves him, so maybe she'd rather die than see that happen.
As for Mikhail Habibulin "Patch" bein' alive, the island's got a much different sense of fatal wound than most of modern science does. I'm not gonna rush out and think that means everybody dead is gonna come back ... that's not 'til season 8.
Thanks again Mac. Great lunchtime reading.
Okay, so the island heals, we all know that, but it resurrects? So if the Losties dig up Boone, Shannon, Ann Lucia, Libby, Eko, and Paolikki, all they have to do is remove the shard of glass from the back of their heads (oops, wrong show!) and they'll wake up? Does this mean that a reconstituted Arzt is running around the jungle somewhere?
My gut says that Mikhail wasn't the smoke monster in person form (a la Yemi or Christian Shepherd), since he wasn't just there to deliver a warning or exact judgement. And what would the smoke monster need with a satellite phone?
I hate it that satellite phone Barbie never has the batteries included! But what if the batteries aren't really dead? We only have Hurley's word for it...what if he really was on the phone with Mom and had to hang up when the rest of the camping party came back?
My first thought on the final scene was that someone (Jacob?) planted wreckage that would convince the world that no one surviverd flight 815. After all, he knows damn well where they are and that they are alive, but it looks like he never intends any of them to ever leave the island. Not even Cindy, the cruise director!
→ 51. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 26, 2007 1:05 PMAwesome reveiw Mac. You had me laughing out loud. My first thought at the end of the episode was that someone made it look like flight 815 was found with no survivors so people would stop looking. I'm glad to see other people agree with that theory but knowing the Lost writers, that is way to obvious and we all know the writers don't do ANYTHING obvious. So now I'm really confused. Regarding Jin, maybe his real daddy is the Dharma guy in the old videos. Now that would be cool.
→ 52. Posted by: Mary at April 26, 2007 1:06 PMwhat if they were all destined to die, and they died in the plane crash but the island healed them, and the reason why no one (the others) want to escape is because they'll die if they go back
→ 53. Posted by: sarah at April 26, 2007 1:07 PMAwesome Recap Mac. Top form as always.
So Mikhail is alive, and I think he was ressurected. Some might argue that it was smokey, but smokey never cooperated in that high of a level of deception. Also - smokey has never taken on a human shape in front of more than one person. Anywho, it all goes back to the Rose-centric episode with Issaac of Uluuru. Different places on the earth heal different people. This should explain why the island woould ressurect Mikhail but not other Losties that have since gone on to the big dirt nap in the sky. Of course that's not to say that the losties can't be ressurected, it's just that the ones killed so far haven't had that special connection to the island.
My favorite line, Hurley telling Mikhail about the stuff Naomi had in her pack, then Charley gives Hurley the death glare for blabbin about the satphone. Mikhail asks Hurley if the phone works and Hurley reponds with, "Like i'd tell you if it did". Nice try Hurley, too bad you blabbed about the best part.
My last point on last night's ep: Widmore is evil, evil, evil. Well, evil if it is Widmore that is in touch with Ben and his merry band of Others. Who else would have the resources, and the stones, to plant wreckage and in one diabolical swoop guarantee that a rescue party wouldn't accidentaly stumble across the island. I thought Mac's alternate timeline theory was cool, but I'm not buying it - yet.
→ 54. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 26, 2007 1:11 PMI was thinking something different with the "no survivors of 815" thing, although the dual timeline sure does go along with the theme of the show, so that makes sense. I was thinking something more that Ben had something to do with that. He has connections on the mainland, so I figured he had someone stage the remains of the flight so that nobody would come looking for the real plane and therefore nobody would find his precious island. I dunno, just my initial reaction, may be nothing. ??
→ 55. Posted by: Laura at April 26, 2007 1:11 PMHow about the preview? Locke will kidnap Ben so Sawyer can shoot him?!?
I don't think this would be the "Ben plan" since he knows Sheriff Sawyer certainly WILL want to kill him. The ping-pong match was just foreshadowing, it's going to come head-to-head between Jack and Sawyer and further divide 'The Beach Tribe' into two factions.
And of course, THAT is just what Ben *really* wants. The weasel will face death in order to achieve his ends.
→ 56. Posted by: The Duf at April 26, 2007 1:12 PMI'm so happy my mother's name isn't Ho-Mom.
→ 57. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 1:14 PMCouple things. First, can we all stop with this alternate universe thing and time travel. We know the producers are smart, they will make "sense" of all this within the world they have created. It's like the first season of Twin Peaks compared to the 2nd. It's believable even though its proposterous, but then it goes completely sci-fi and you lose the audience. I don't think that will happen. There's no doubt in my mind they have this thing mapped out to the end and are just not making it up as they go like my wife believes! My 2 cents...
→ 58. Posted by: JR at April 26, 2007 1:16 PMa few points:
Locke's paralysis was most definitely not psychosomatic, as we saw him fall out a very high window, and he says he felt his back break.
I agree with the "cover up" theory about Flight 815. I think someone wanted to make sure nobody ever came looking.
→ 59. Posted by: jason at April 26, 2007 1:17 PMI also think that the plane wreckage was staged. I prefer not to think that everyone is actually dead, or that it gets to be that crazy later on. Juliet didn't seem to die, doesn't seem like a duplicate. Then again, maybe when the "put her out" for her bumpy ride, maybe they actually killed her and cloned her while we weren't watching?
By the way, I had always thought that the numbers might have meant something as a location marker, finally found something for latitude and longitude though. Go to maps*google*com (change the *'s to .'s) and type in "4.815, 162.342" - - - the infamous numbers, and look at the location. Looks like a nice route from Sydney to L.A.
→ 60. Posted by: ANTP? at April 26, 2007 1:18 PMSorry mac, I forgot my props in my first post, but it was another great recap! I've been going back to the old ones to remind myslef about things that happened waaay back in season 3.1 (aka before the hiatus). Thanks so much for doing this and doing it well!
I was hoping for a minute that Michael might have been one of the others Naomi mentioned, back to redeem himself (and, of course, die immediatley afterwards), but since she is convinced no one survived Flight 815, that doesn't seem likely.
Side note, Korea is still technically in a state of war, there was never a peace treaty to end the Korean War, just a cease fire. All Korean men have compulsory military service.
I'm with you Mac, I hope Sun's dad doesn't turn out to be Jin's dad...we had enough incest when Shannon and Boone were on the island...
→ 61. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 26, 2007 1:27 PM@#60/ANTP?: Wow, you're right! That location is on a northeast route to the US, and still a believeable location for a plane originally headed to the US that's somehow gone off course. Did the pilot ever say in which direction they had been flying off course?
→ 62. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 1:27 PMI haven't seen anyone mention this, but almost all school-age children in South Korea takes Tae Kwon Do as they grow up and all boys are conscripted into the army to serve for a few years. That's why Jinn would have these skills.
→ 63. Posted by: JOSS at April 26, 2007 1:32 PM@theduf:
Locke kidnaps his dad away from Ben and that's who he wants Sawyer to kill. The tease for next weeks ep is that Locke will ask Sawyer to help him deal with someone that has caused alot of pain in both their lives. In other words, this is finally confirmation that Anthony Cooper aka Locke's Bad Daddy is also the 'real' Sawyer that Sawyer has been looking for. The conman that ruined his life when he was a child.
→ 64. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 26, 2007 1:33 PMSo is Penny's Dad Jacob?
→ 65. Posted by: HalBankers at April 26, 2007 1:34 PMThere is no reason to trust Patchy's translation of anything Branch Girl said, so we definitely need the exact translation of the last thing she said. Previous to that, she was speaking Italian, and the last thing she said did not sound Italian to me...
I do not, for one second, trust anything that comes out of Juliet's mouth (but I sound like a broken record about this...been saying so since October...), whether is is fertility information, soothing remarks to Sun to ease her shame, or what she reports to Ben. There is nothing stopping her from lying to Sun. She just may be playing all of us when all is said and done...
→ 66. Posted by: Vikki at April 26, 2007 1:34 PMGreat Job Mac
→ 67. Posted by: Artie Lang at April 26, 2007 1:36 PM#1 You can hear a heartbeat at 8 weeks. I heard my son's at 7 weeks. You also see a little flutter on the screen.
#2 I think being 'good' (ala Locke) or 'bad' (ala Sawyer) dictate who gets killed and who heals. Not sure where Ethan/ Goodwin fall in the spectrum.
#3 Wow, does high sperm count make you super strong? I loved Ethan's super strength, and Juliet totally kicked Kate's a$$ in the pool hall.
It for now...
→ 68. Posted by: EthansGrrrl at April 26, 2007 1:38 PMIf Naomi truly is from the real world and everyone thinks that there were no survivors then I think it's pretty safe to assume that Walt and Michael never succesfully left the island.
→ 69. Posted by: petew at April 26, 2007 1:39 PMGRAA, Mac.
Okay, I posted this a while back, but I will recap. They have been on the island for 90 days now. Sun is not showing at all. In the normal world she would be. I believe that Jin is the daddy. Now, the island is not normal, so the writers could blow that one out the air pretty easily. I do like the theory that Juliette is lying about the conception date to 'show' she has cured the disease. That would certainly be within her realm of diabolical evilness.
I did not expect Rasputin to come back to life, but he is Rasputin after all. That was quite a shocker for me.
I do like the planted wreckage theory. I don't really care who planted it, Ben, Dharma, or Widmore, I like the theory.
We all seem to think Kate is preggers, well is Juliette? Again, the scene of her in bed with Goodwin is 90+ days old, she should be showing as well.
Peace out.
→ 70. Posted by: onelostdude at April 26, 2007 1:39 PM@#60/ANTP:
Sorry to burst your bubble - the google map (and if you have access to Google Earth) with the numbers as coordinate was done last year. Smack in the middle of the Pacific. Reverse the numbers and it puts you in Nigeria.
→ 71. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 26, 2007 1:41 PMI have a hard time believing Des would let Mikhail go once he tried to steal the sat phone. If he was trying to take it, wouldn't that prove he could make it work somehow? It seems like Des would want to keep him around to fix it - or at least show them where some batteries are! That phone is the only sure-fire way to communicate with the outside world. Wouldn't someone wonder why Mikhail wanted it so badly?
I wonder if he had a Desmonition that involved Mikhail doing something to help/benefit the Losties in the future. Or maybe, he is afraid if he doesn't keep his word then Tree-girl will die?
@copwife, #62
IIRC, the pilot said they were a thousand miles off course and had turned back around to fly back to Sydney. So, they should have been flying west or southwest at the time of the crash. I do like the longitude and latitude theory, wish I had thought of that first.
→ 73. Posted by: onelostdude at April 26, 2007 1:48 PM@mac - Maybe the writers are smarter than you, but they sure aren't funnier!
So many people have been killed on the island (incl the pregnant women), and AFAWK, they are still dead. I think Mikhail didn't die. It's been suggested that he had an implant similar to Claire's and he set it off when Locke shoved him. Gave a good show, but wasn't fatal, and the Losties, as usual, were too incurious to check. The island's healing powers are strong, but not omnipotent.
→ 74. Posted by: hurling at April 26, 2007 1:51 PMWhat if we're all going in the wrong direction about Parachute-Chick?
What is she really was sent by the Others from the other island? She WAS in a helicopter (or so we are led to believe), which has a very short range. She knew Desmond (much as the Others do), and was tended to quite nicely by Dead-Man-Walking Mikhael, to whom she also gave a very private, yet telling message. She also leaves our Losties with some very poignant, confusing, and possibly false information which will have an incredible impact on them, their psyche, and morality.
Just my $.02.
→ 75. Posted by: WDWRadio .com at April 26, 2007 1:52 PMAnybody catch the combination to Mr Paik's safe? Here's betting it's some combination of 4,8,15, 16, 23 or 42.
→ 76. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 1:55 PM#74
Well said Hurling- I concur! The island can't resurrect the dead, just speed heal. So Mikhail was never truly toast. He faked it.
HEY!!!!! Remember all of you who laughed at me when I said "Patchy" had faked his death??????? WELL I will accept your apology!!!! Yes even the guy who said the blood in the ear joke. Us Canadains are pretty smart!!
→ 78. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 1:59 PM@ 78, dantheman. Smart eh? Too bad you "Canadains" didn't take any spelling classes.
I'm just kidding, all in jest.
→ 79. Posted by: ANTP? at April 26, 2007 2:09 PMThe "Canadains" spelling is a joke. I know its Canadins.hahhaah I guess not!!
→ 80. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 2:13 PM@dantheman: "We got ways of making you pronounce the letter "o"..."
Seriously though, props on calling that one way way back.
→ 81. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 26, 2007 2:14 PMHEY!!!!! Remember all of you who laughed at me when I said "Patchy" had faked his death??????? WELL I will accept your apology!!!! Yes even the guy who said the blood in the ear joke. Us Canadains are pretty smart!!
→ 78. Posted by: dantheman
OK - that was me. I'm sorry. I'm big enough to own up to it . . .
And I think that's "Canadians" . .
(Now that I think of it - I'll bet that was a white haired old CANADIAN woman in that . . nevermind. I don't want to be chastised by mac . . . )
I know when to quit.
DRH
What if Tree Girl is an other plant (no pun intended), and is lying about there being no survivors, all dead on 815? This would fit right into Ben's plan to isolate the island and totally demoralize the losties.
→ 83. Posted by: Loz at April 26, 2007 2:16 PMIf the show was based in Canada..would Smokey's new name be: Canadian Mist?
→ 84. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 2:22 PMFirst up, great review Mac! I really liked Hurley's "Mom?" line as well...very sweet & wistful. One comment: I think Juliet was at the island laundromat rather than the latrine when Sun approached her.
Re time travel/clones/wormhole travel etc.: I try to keep to Occam's Razor when looking for explanations. The simplest & most plausible real-world theory is that Ben contacted the head "Other" off-island (Jacob?) & had wreckage planted to make it appear that 815 had been found, thereby getting rid of any search parties & protecting the island's secrecy. We've seen numerous demonstrations of Hanso/Widmore/etc.'s power & reach.
Re Mikhail's "resurrection": Two theories--1) Mikhail is dead; this "Mikhail" is his twin. Whether both of them had an eye missing or not is somewhat moot; they could both use an eyepatch just to be confusing. 2) Mikhail wasn't actually killed by the sonic fence; it was a fake (although I'm still trying to figure out how Mikhail could have planted "blood" vials in his ears to activate them at the right time). Locke &/or Rousseau were in on the faked death. Has anyone rewatched Enter 77 to see if anyone went over to Mikhail after they got over the fence to check on him? Or would his graphic "death" be enough to convince them that he was deader than Tsar Nicholas?
Re "Tree Girl": It definitely appears to me that someone was watching for her arrival beside Desmond & Camping Crew. Hurley's firing of the flare gun was what brought Mikhail to the scene ("oops" indeed ; >). So perhaps "Tree Girl" wasn't sent by Penny at all w/the intention of rescuing Desmond, but by Mr. Widmore w/the intention of taking out Desmond. Also, I don't trust Mikhail's translations of what "Tree Girl" was saying, in any language. When he said that she had said "Thank you," it sure didn't sound like "Grazie" to me!
Re Sun/Juliet: I have to say that Sun's telling Juliet about her affair w/Jae was DUMB. Why put an explosive secret like that in the hands of an Other? I agree w/Vikki that Juliet is not be trusted. No way, no how!
→ 85. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 26, 2007 2:24 PM Has anyone rewatched Enter 77 to see if anyone went over to Mikhail after they got over the fence to check on him?
→ 85. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought
Didn't Kate go over and check him out? I kindof remember that, but my eyes may have been glazed over from watching her shimmy up that tree trunk . .
(whoa. Dirtyoldman Dave just surfaced for a moment there . . )
sorry.
→ 86. Posted by: davidrh at April 26, 2007 2:33 PMHavn't read the other comments yet.
I think you guys are looking too deep into the 815 info. We know Ben was in contact with the outside world after the plane crash.
The simplest and most logical explanation for the news that this helicopter pilot brought (that the plane had been found, no survivors) is that Dharma (or Bens company) covered the accident up.
→ 87. Posted by: Alex at April 26, 2007 2:37 PMCan we please all agree to read the posts before typing something that has been typed many times before?
→ 88. Posted by: ANTP? at April 26, 2007 2:42 PMLot of comments... didn't read through them all...
Anyway.
Has anyone thought that maybe, must maybe, The Others/Dharma arranged a plane crash? They're awfully resourceful after all. It doesn't seem to be too far fetched to presume that they could obtain a 747, paint it up, and crash it into the ocean. Given the time it would take to find the wreckage in the first place they would have probably had a week to get it done. It's a stretch, but not much of one.
And if the plane crashed in the ocean I'd doubt that anyone did any extensive identification. *Maybe* a body count.
Maybe it's just too simple of an idea.
→ 89. Posted by: Jeff at April 26, 2007 2:45 PMWhy on earth did tree girl speak so many different languages? Surely if you're dying it's going to be less taxing to speak in your native tongue!
"Also, if Bakunin can survive such a gory encounter, doesn't this call into question other deaths?"
I remember in the episode where Ethan was buried he was definetly breathing....I watched it in slow-motion and had a buddy confirm it for me. I always assumed it was an oversight but now who knows??
→ 91. Posted by: dan at April 26, 2007 2:46 PM@89 Jeff
>...they could obtain a 747, paint it up, and crash it into the ocean.
That might arouse a few suspicions, since Flight 815 was a 757.
→ 92. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 2:49 PMDid Mikhail "fake" his death? I don't think he FAKED it. None of the Losties checked his pulse after he fell through the SDF so perhaps he wasn't quite dead yet (although he did know the average air speed of a European swallow). If the island has these incredible healing powers then perhaps he was just severely injured and took a few days off to push the brain matter back into his head. The healing power had been alluded to previously through Locke's paralysis and Rose's cancer being cured. Although why the island didn't create a new eye ball for him makes me wonder.
Does Naomi speak at least 5 languages? She spoke Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, English and Russian, right? I would think that if she were in that much pain she might moan and groan in just one language but hey, that's just me.
If Juliet lied about Sun's date of conception, wouldn't the lie be exposed when Sun gave birth several months early? I would think she would have thought that one through.
And I'm not touching the 815 wreckage angle. That's gonna drive me crazy.
→ 93. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 2:56 PM@#92 Alex,
Was that a laden European Swallow?
Carrying perhaps a coconut for the lovely Kate to wash her hair with?
(Sorry for the dangling participle...if you've ever dangled a participle you know just how painful that can be.)
→ 94. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 26, 2007 3:02 PM@ Rob/#25: "Kate is SO knocked up. Bank on it."
Not necessarily. A woman can only become pregnant during certain days on her cycle, so there's a little safety net for the writers there to explain why she's not with child. Plus, on a deserted island, she's probably not eating as much as she used to and therefor is undernourished, which can stop your cycle all together (so said my friend with bulemia).
@ The Face/#43: "I mean hey, they faked the moon landing, a simple plain crash can't be so hard, right?"
I'm with ya there! That moon landing was sooooo doctored! Conspiracy theories, anyone?
@ RNM/#57: I think her actual name was Sum Dum Ho. (I totally knew it was Jin's mother before they revealed it, BTW!)
→ 95. Posted by: Trinity at April 26, 2007 3:03 PM@ransomjackson #93
"Was that a laden European Swallow?"
Thanks for catching both the reference and the omission. Since the island has rejuvenating powers perhaps the Losties should bring out their dead!
→ 96. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 3:15 PMJuliet tells Sun that she conceived 53 days ago (90-53 = Day 37 on the island). Juliet has to be lying because Sun and Jin were not cohabitating at that point. On Day 33, Sun was part of the Michael-Jin beach fight scene which ended with Jin leaving Sun because he felt betrayed by her. Jin spent his time working on the raft, which left on Day 43. Jin washes up on shore with the Tailies, and does not return for the tearful reunion with the survivors (and Sun) until Day 48. Sun asks for the pregnancy test on Day 58, and tells Jin about it on Day 59.
So the ultrasound images were not Sun's (a videotape supplied by Ben). The pregnancy test was rigged to show a false positive. The plan is to have the women "believe" they are pregnant and in danger so the Others have access to the wombs to run their own unethical experiments (under the guise of trying to save the mother and child).
I think Mikhail explained why he's not dead when he told the Losties that Tree Girl should be better in a day. The Sonic Death Fence only severely injured him. And he probably would have died laying there if he was anywhere else but on the island.
As for other island deaths... The only 2 that may still be alive are Goodwin; and Im pretty sure that he's really DEAD.
But now I'll expect to see Kelvin on the island again before the Series ends.
Maybe Ben really did have flight 815 planned to crash. Perhaps they knew Desmond would leave the hatch on the day Kelvin said "Bye Desmond".
The only disappointing aspect of Season 3 in my eyes is that we still haven't learned anything more about Libby. I thought the producers promised more info on the Libby backstory. I know she's busy w/ another show, but it doesn't look like it's a real success.
→ 98. Posted by: middies at April 26, 2007 3:27 PMA few points -
I think that when Kate had "breakfast with Ben" on the beach, whe was told she had to get pregnant to save someone (Jack? Sawyer? Both?) - She was then returned in the dress and set up to hook up with Sawyer.
Second, maybe when the hatch exploded/imploded the situation changed in the pregnant women department.
Third, the sub could have towed a small amount of the wreckage/debris somewhere - a search party would assume that the rest of it sank.
I like the 'Mikhail faked it' theory. This would also explain why Kate et al could climb over the fence and Smokey could not! When Kate et al climbed over it, it was actually off! They could have walked through it, but thought it was on because Patchy was faking his sonic boom/ ear bleading death.
Smokey couldn't go over it because Juliet had turned it on.
→ 100. Posted by: GFish at April 26, 2007 3:29 PM@welh
I like your theory about the timeline, but also consider that in their culture, a man expects that he will be "with" his wife, even if they are fighting. Not like an American relationship, where it gets turned on and off with every little argument.
→ 101. Posted by: trevenator at April 26, 2007 3:32 PMGoogle map -- that is really interesting. It places you in the middle of the ocean off Africa. THe location is directly between Australia and LA and it is right below a country named BENIN. Does anyone think there is some significance there???
→ 102. Posted by: ALl at April 26, 2007 3:35 PMHere's what Lostpedia is reporting on Naomi's foreign language utterances:
>Naomi (the parachutist) speaks at least five languages (including English):
o "Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions).
o "Aiutami sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions; partially incorrect, but comprehensible).
o She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese, not Korean. "出了什么事?(chu le shen me shi)" is Chinese for "What happened?" or "What's going on?".
o After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." The "Ardil-22" book is also Portuguese.
→ 103. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 3:38 PMIf we go with the Hanso/Dharma/Paik/Widmore fake plane crash theory, why not take it a step further and say that it was set up before the plane ever took off? That way they could have stolen some luggage and other stuff maybe even a couple bodies and staged the crash well beforehand. Then, if some S&R folks got there immediately everything would've already been GTG.
Ben & Friends (A Disney Co.) being surprised by a plane crashing in their midst might only mean that Ben is middle management and hadn't gotten the memo yet.
→ 104. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 26, 2007 3:39 PM@welh
Could it be? Is Sun pregnant with Michael's baby?!?
I had been hypothesizing this for a while, but given the timeline, it seems highly possible, if not probable!
@Alex/92
>If Juliet lied about Sun's date of conception, wouldn't the lie be exposed when Sun gave birth several months early? I would think she would have thought that one through.>
Not necessarily--Juliet said she's about 8 weeks pregnant and they've been on the island for 90 days (about 12 weeks). It's not out of the ordinary for a baby to be born 4 weeks early. I've even seen babies born early that are as big as full-term babies, so I think she could easily get away with it.
→ 106. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 3:43 PM-96:
what day was it when Jin came out of tent with afterglow(i.e. sh*t-eating grin) and Hurly gave him the thumbs up? If that was night 32 that's well within timeframe estimate from ultrasound, and the writers were setting it up.
Thanks again, Mac for the LMAO review. You are truly the best!
From the previews, I thought this episode would be filler-type stuff but it was so freakin' informative! Just a few things...
#16. When Naomi said that Flight 815 was found w/ no survivors, my 1st thought was that Ben used his "magic box" to create the duplicate plane crash. The same type scenerio worked for Juliet when she claimed she couldn't go anywhere unless her ex was hit by a bus! But then I recalled in S1 how Jack advised the Losties to move off of the beach because it was eroding. So...many possibilities to explain away what Naomi said.
#24. I too though Juliet was lying to both Sun and Ben. She just wants off the island. I believe before too long, Juliet will off Ben. And speaking of off...
@ 32. The marshall didn't heal in island fashion because he asked Kate to off him based on Jack's diagnosis. So Kate didn't off him, Sawyer tried, Jack completed the mercy killing.
Lastly, I recall in "Enter 77" Mikhail making a point about speaking five different languages. That ties into what Naomi said (per Lostpedia.com)
Naomi (the parachutist) speaks at least five languages (including English):
"Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions).
"Aiutami sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions; partially incorrect, but comprehensible).
She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese, not Korean. "出了什么事?(chu le shen me shi)" is Chinese for "What happened?" or "What's going on?".
After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone."
The "Ardil-22" book is also Portuguese.
So there's my input for this week! I won't even go into my theory about a parallel universe again...lol
THE BRIG IS NEXT WEEK! LONG LIVE LOCKE AND SAWYER!!
In a deep ocean plane crash, search parties would likely find only floating debris which could be traced back to plane and passenger manifest. Once found, they would assume that the bulk of the plane fell to the bottom of the ocean, and if there were no one alive on the surface, assume that everyone perished.
So when Naomi says they "found" the plane and there was no survivors, it means the search parties found the believed crash site, found no survivors, and called off the search.
If they found the physical plane wreckage in the sandbars off shore of The Island, then the inference is that all the survivors are dead. The producers were adamant that the survivors were not in "purgatory." But what if they were delivered directly to Hell? Instead of Dante's inferno, the 815ers fell into the Devil's Club Med.
mac,
Another technical question.
I notice when I preview a post on Witz's TVFodder "Survivor" blog it properly preserves linefeeds/paragraphs in the preview. Is this a setup option that can be turned one here and in my blog so as to make it easier to review a comment preview?
→ 110. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 3:52 PMNow that the whole pregnancy thing is clearer I find the deaths of Shannon and Ana Lucia a bit more interesting. Both were shot shortly after having sex (Shannon with Sayid and Ana Lucia with Sawyer). At first I thought this was to be taken as a horror film device (where the young girl is ALWAYS killed after sex) but now I'm not so sure. Could their deaths have a correlation to the problem pregnant women encounter? As as has been said before, could the island be course correcting? Granted, everyone on the island has had their own near death experiences but both Sun and Kate have had guns pointed at them post sexual encounter.
→ 111. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 4:00 PM@ welh/#96: Well, Juliette said the baby was conceived 8 weeks ago, which is actually 56 days. Since they've been there 90 days and the raft set sail on day 44 (according to what Locke told Desmond) that would equal 90 days. Plus, back when she first took the test, there were some math gurus calculating the conception date based on symptoms (i.e. the onset of morning sickness) and determined it happened the day the raft set sail. So, aside from the 3 day discrepancy, it comes out about right.
Also, about the issue of showing, you don't usually show until your 2nd trimester, especially if it's your first pregnancy (because your abdominal muscles are still nice and taut).
Man, this is like my 3rd or 4th post today. Sorry for being so long-winded, I just keep forgetting stuff I wanted to add. Plus, I work for an OB/GYN so all this pregnancy talk has me putting my $.02 in!
There girl that fell to the island out of the chopper, why did she have a breathing unit on? Its not like the chopper was at 10,000 feet when she jumped out.
→ 113. Posted by: ClownSauce at April 26, 2007 4:05 PMI remember when Patchy hit the fence he said 'thank you' then fried. The group, after climbing over the fence, went to check saw his red skin and assumed he was dead. I don't think anyone checked for a pulse. Locke didn't care, Sayid was mad at Locke for doing it, and Kate just stared at the body and Rousseau just went on like nothing happened. I think it's possible that he passed out. There was still blood caked in his ears when he met the Camping Boys. (Sidenote: Why doesn't anyone clean the blood off themselves? Jack walked across the island with blood on his face. Yuk!)
As for the plane crash, here's the scenario. Ben sees plane go down, informs Dharma Central. If they look for plane after widening their search, they might find the island so Dharma creates a crash site with wreckage that satisfies searchers. Families give up, FAA/government stops looking, island stays hidden. Naomi's revelation makes me think that she is not an Other because she seems surprised with Hurley's information. I think she is there looking for Desmond for Penny. It explains why she said his name, a one-track mind why she is there when she suddenly wakes up.
Juliet's tape check means that Ben or some Other is still on the island in order to retrieve the message. Isn't there a hatch or two that the Losties haven't found? And when will she casually drop Sun's secret tryst on Jin? I think that will come at an inopportune time.
Does anybody recognize what Sun is growing in the garden? I thought I saw elephant ears (taro root).
→ 114. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 26, 2007 4:08 PM@ 96.
How about both Sun and Juliet are lying to each other? Yes, Sun gave up the information about her lover but she never talked about her separation from Jin and it was a long time between breakup and makeup!
Also, if Kate is preggers then what a triangle between Kate, Sawyer and Cassidy!!
Season 3 is a true tribute for Lost fans! So far everything we've seen in S3 very much relates back to Season 1. And it's coming together nicely!!
Oh and what is Desmonds connection with the Others (or the Hostiles as he called them in Season 2. When he told Charlie & Jin that "I gave him my word" it kinda creeped me out. BEN!
→ 115. Posted by: amelia at April 26, 2007 4:09 PM@amelia #114
"Oh and what is Desmonds connection with the Others (or the Hostiles as he called them in Season 2. When he told Charlie & Jin that "I gave him my word" it kinda creeped me out."
And Desmond also told Charlie that the Losties have killed more of the Others than the Others had killed Losties. Perhaps he sees something in the Losties aggressiveness towards the Others.
→ 116. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 4:16 PM#57 - what you don't know won't hurt you
→ 117. Posted by: clarabooth at April 26, 2007 4:18 PM@ Trinity/#111: 56 + 44 equals 100 days, you imbecile!! God dammit, learn to add! That's what you went to 4th grade for, right?!
Sorry. Just had to vent.
I cast my vote with the 815 cover up crowd. Easy explanation. Occam's razor indeed.
There is no reason to believe that Penny knows of any connection between Desmond and the fate of flight 815. Naomi was searching for Desmond and surprised to find him in the company of people who were supposed to be dead. Plane crashes make big news and people tend to remember the flight numbers, like PanAm 108.
So how about those enormous sperm counts. The excess sperm may have something to do with the deaths of the women midway through the pregnancy. Particularly if they were longer lived than normal sperm. If so, perhaps Jin's sperm count was raised from unmeasureable and/or feeble to normal so that Sun would not have to face the same fate.
As for selective healing, it seems that only Mikhail has come back from the dead and so I go along with either faking it or the damage wasn't nearly as bad as it had seemed. But there are too many loose ends already mentioned above about who is healed (Locke and Rose) and who isn't (all the dead ones) On the other hand, Locke's and Rose's conditions predated arrival on the island, all other injuries, diseases arose on the island. Is that significant? Then Naomi is a goner? Too bad as we need attractive women who can speak English, Spanish, Russian, and Italian and pilot helicopters. She's not alone? Rest of them in that helicopter in the drink? Already there? Good luck, writers, sorting this one out.
August Paul
→ 119. Posted by: August Paul at April 26, 2007 4:18 PMMy wife insisted I mention the following point:
Kate was all dolled up in that lovely dress to picque Sawyer's interest. She was told to do this and to 'make love' the night they did, hence her Houdini-esque escape. This serves 2 functions: 1. The Others knew when she would ovulate 2. The Others could time Jack's PTS (peeping Tom syndrome). Timing is everything!
→ 120. Posted by: Rich at April 26, 2007 4:24 PM@RNM/#84
Good one! Almost spit out my coffee!
> juliet is hands down, the most lying, manipulative and deceptive person on the show. she is desperate and will double cross anyone that stands in her way. and, she's playting jack like a fiddle. why anyone believes anything she says is beyond me. they should have her locked up alone somewhere so she can't gather any info. jack has to have flipped sides, there is no explanation.
> i'm also not so sure we can trust this Naomi person. Mikhail magically appears when she requires medical attention? just seems fishy to me.
thanks for another great recap!
→ 122. Posted by: LT at April 26, 2007 4:35 PMActually, Benin is on the Western shore of Africa. When the coordinates are typed into google map they put you square in the ocean en route between sydney and la. However, not far from that mark there is an island/volcano that has no name and I cant seem to figure out what is is my google searching.
Anyway, first time to this site, its great!
→ 123. Posted by: HF at April 26, 2007 4:36 PMright dudes, i think that the island has immense healing powers.
locke can now walk,
rose is in remission,
locke's leg healed quite quickly
(remember he was crushed by that door)sawyer AND sayid have been shot!
---and there's obviously other wee incidents that i havnt mentioned but it goes on the list.
what if the island is so powerful that "it" believes that the little feotus's are aliens, completely foreign because they are not completely wholesome of the genetic make-up of the mother. thus the mother's immune system goes into overdrive and she pops her cloggs.
RIP?
oh... the fact that juliet recorded that msg on a pretty dated device and placed it in a cupboard, does that mean the others are able to get to it? cos i doubt she's gonna have a little gossip with ben when they meet up in a few days. it sounded like she was in a hurry.
im new at this blog :D
→ 124. Posted by: Andie at April 26, 2007 4:46 PMRe: post119 Rich, one problem with that theory, remember Juliet telling Pickett that she needed Kate now and Pickett exclaiming that he thought they had two weeks, and she said the timetable had been moved up. That was in response to Ben finding out he needed the tumor removed RIGHT NOW, because Jack told Ben the tumor was borderline inoperable, if that's the case then the bear cage sex may have been a few days too early to result in conception, if I'm correct and ovulation lasts roughly five days.
→ 125. Posted by: unladenswallow at April 26, 2007 4:52 PMI think there's an easy explanation for Naomi speaking 1,000 different languages. If she just got catapulted out of the sky, thrown into a jungle, and impaled by a branch, my guess is that she's pretty confused.
If, as I suspect, after conducting much medical research, that such an incident might disorient you, she could have no idea where on Earth she is.
And, if she doesn't know where she is, she doesn't know what language the people speak who are near her. So, her survival instinct could kick in and she could just start speaking all these languages hoping that somebody understands one of them.
Makes sense, right?
→ 126. Posted by: The Face at April 26, 2007 4:54 PMRather than DOC this episode should have been titled "Oh Crap."
I agree Mr. Grimm that Locke was healed and not the marshall because the different people are healed in different places.
I'm not so sure about the faked plane crash. They usually search pretty thoroughly for black boxes and such. I would think they would know if they had pieces of the real 815 or not.
What should Hurley have said when the gun went off? "Dude, that was a bit premature!"
→ 127. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 26, 2007 5:05 PMI'm not sure how to do coordinates on Google whatever but from the descriptions I'm hearing I'm confused. Isn't the most direct route to LA from Australia across the Pacific? How would Africe be directly on the way to LA from Sydney? I would think that would be the wrong direction. Help!
→ 128. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 26, 2007 5:12 PMAnybody besides me hear a few Smokey clicks just before the flare went off?
→ 129. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 5:14 PMAm I the only one that remembers Jack's dad coming back to life (confirmed by the sealed yet empty coffin)? That could relate to Mikhail Bakunin returning.
→ 130. Posted by: Zebra at April 26, 2007 5:20 PM@ Zebra/#129: Not sure how that works since Dr. Daddy died off the island.
→ 131. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 5:23 PM@ Mr. Grimm
I checked, and Locke says, "I snuck into Ben's tent, and I kidnapped him."
At first hearing, I took this to be Ben himself, but of course, as phrased, "him" can be someone else. It does make a lot more sense that Locke would take daddy over Ben.
Interesting, thanks for the comment.
→ 132. Posted by: The Duf at April 26, 2007 5:29 PM@89 Jeff
>It doesn't seem to be too far fetched to presume that they could obtain a 747, paint it up, and crash it into the ocean.
That would propbably raise a few suspicions, since Oceanic Flight 815 was a 757.
→ 133. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 5:36 PM@ all,
Perhaps it would be beneficial for someone who has access to a website or Wiki to post the running list of Lost mysteries / questions and subsequent answers if and when they are revealed.
My suspicion is that when Lost started, there wasn't a plan. No roadmap for the 5 year journey, and now one has been created, but some questions or features that were added early on to generate viewership, may never be resolved.
To point: Smokey - not much known, don't know what the images in the smoke mean, why did it kill Eko, can it manifest as other entities?
Ben, obviously added late last season, and due to popular viewership, had a storyline written into this season.
Same for Juliet.
Where is Rose and Bernard?
Why were Paulo and Nikki even brought to the forefront?
The Black Rock ship...where did it come from? Why was there dynamite in its hold?
Rousseau---Alex?
Dharma founders? Alvar Hanso? What happened to them?
Jacob?
Widmore involvement? Penny and the frozen wasteland guys monitoring for EMPs.
Locke and the pot growers...
Michael and Walt? Where is their boat now?
The whispers in the jungle?
Helicopter? Launched from where?
There are probably a 100 more I can't remember.
With sooo many questions and mysteries being generated, the writers / producers may have no way to explain some of the early question marks, and may be hoping they get forgotten in the new plotlines of Losties vs Others etc.
all the while trying to not jump the shark.
There needs to be some sort of Internet based listing and checkmarks next to those items that get answered with an explanation to keep this sane and from being a disappointment by the show's finale. If they know we're watching all of the questions, we'll hopefully get some sort of resolution.
@ransomjackson #93: The longer the participle, the heavier it dangles... ; >
It would be too funny if the next person shot looks at his/her wound & says "It's just a flesh wound!"
I just figured out what the last scene of the entire series will be--all the Lostaways & Others & Other Others (etc.) holding hands in a big line on the beach, accompanied by Charlie on guitar, singing, "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"!
→ 135. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 26, 2007 5:51 PMI dont care who comes back to life, as long as it isnt Paullikki...!!!
→ 136. Posted by: Three men and a baby (I counted Hugo twice...) at April 26, 2007 5:54 PMLost Girl you are thinking exactly what I am thinking. Mac believes in some sort of time warp"BS". I think that Darma is trying to fool the "real world" into believing that there is no one that survived the crash. A perfect Darma plan. Why should believe antthing that they want us to. Alittle note: Wanna bet that (in the clip for next week) its not been under the bag but Lockes DaD>>>>>
→ 137. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 6:04 PMHi, long-time reader, first-time poster. There's one thing that really doesn't make sense about the 100% mortality rate for pregnant women: the abundance of other types of animal life on the island. Why would pregnancy=death only affect one species (humans)? There seem to be plenty of boars--Locke even talked about seeing piglets at one point IIRC. Lots of birds, bugs, fish, etc.--they don't seem to have any problems reproducing and carrying to term. Why are only people affected?
→ 138. Posted by: Mim at April 26, 2007 6:06 PMHi, long-time reader, first-time poster. There's one thing that really doesn't make sense about the 100% mortality rate for pregnant women: the abundance of other types of animal life on the island. Why would pregnancy=death only affect one species (humans)? There seem to be plenty of boars--Locke even talked about seeing piglets at one point IIRC. Lots of birds, bugs, fish, etc.--they don't seem to have any problems reproducing and carrying to term. Why are only people affected?
And why hasn't Juliet included animals in her study? She had no problem using mice in her experiments when she was in Miami. Guess they just don't have cages that small.
→ 139. Posted by: Mim at April 26, 2007 6:08 PM@trevenator/100 - I'd buy that about Sun not "withholding," except she did tell Juliet she & Jin hadn't done it for awhile right before they left Korea. Sun didn't seem to be lying about any of that. But, given the extreme circumstances (no TV or internet!!!!!), what the heck else would they be doing every night?
→ 140. Posted by: hurling at April 26, 2007 6:24 PMmy theory:
the others planted another plane somewhere so that the search would be off for the REAL oceanic flight 815.
→ 141. Posted by: sierramark at April 26, 2007 6:29 PMmy theory after this episode is that:
a. Patchy survived because of the island's healing powers and everyone who has died on the island from treatable wounds could actually survive if they hadnt been buried. that could explain why Patchy shot his fellow "other" and was about to shoot himself.....not really sure this theory has any actual substance so hopefully this will be answered this season....
b. i do not buy into any "cloning" theories....sounds too farfetch'd for LOST
c. naomi's comment on the no survivors of flight 815 could easily be explained as a Widmore coverup if in fact he is "Jacob"...which i believe....
d. and next week's episode....i think locke is lying about capturing benry, like he said in the preview last night, but instead captured his dear ole daddy and tricks sawyer into cappin his ass....idk though....i think mr cooper has some splainin to do with both his son and Sawyer, who took his nickname. i am implying that he is the Saywer that James has been searching to kill
e. and im not sure if this has been touched on, but the producers say that there is a gay character and the only one who has a revealing episode coming up and has no definite orientation that im aware of is Benry.....
great review as always Mac
loved the episode
cant wait for the finale
im expecting (nay hoping) for either a walt or michael cameo
GXG
→ 142. Posted by: grimgravyX at April 26, 2007 6:30 PMMac: "Isn't option A (the baby isn't Jin's) a little better than option B (Sun and the baby die)?"
No! Definitely not, me thinks. If the baby is Jin's, this means love can truly conquer all (even dark times with a bald, annoying, ego-centric Chines dude) and that Sun can now at least feel truly happy about how the crash and the stay on The Island have re-ignited the innocent and pure love she and Jin once had. I was truly happy the upcoming "new kid on the block" is Jin & Sun's :). So, IMHO, A is definitely the better option, Mac. (Sorry 'bout disagreeing with you there, pal ;). I do absolutely _love_ your weekly reviews.)
r-Yawn.
→ 143. Posted by: r-Yawn at April 26, 2007 6:35 PM@r-Yawn: Disagreements backed up with supporting opinions are always welcome!
→ 144. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 6:40 PM@dantheman: To clarify, I don't actually believe that time warp theory. To be honest, I don't believe any of the theories.
→ 145. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 6:44 PM@ r-Yawn/#143: That's beautiful story. The bottom line is that Sun is a F'n cheater! I don't care how lovey-dovey they get, she's still in the grand scheme of things living a lie.
But OMG is she hot!
→ 146. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 7:01 PM**Totally Wacked Out Theory Alert**
What if Sun and Jin have not had sex on the island....and Sun already knew that the baby was definitely 'Kareem's'. So she tells a suspicious Juliette a two-faced story (some true regarding the infidelity / some false regarding banging Jin on exile island). All this to see what Jules's response will be after the ultrasound. So when Jules says that Sun got preggers on the island and will die, Sun KNOWS that Jules is full of shiiiiii. Sun puts on her happy/sad face and plays along because the jig is up. She doesn't care if Juliette goes back down into the med-hatch alone. Sun now knows that Juliette is a super-hot mole and who cares if she goes down to scheme or whatever.
Now THAT would be cool. Go tell it on the mountain Sun!!!!!
→ 147. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 7:15 PM@Trinity/#118 LMAO.
But that's ok, Trinity. Everybody makes mistakes from time to time.
@Red...Neck...Man/#147
Ain't you a genius! Now we are talking about the level of the Lost writers!
To all the posts about Dharma staging the plane crash, I completely agree...
something you all seem to be forgetting is how Dharma can "make" things happen i.e the bus killing Juliet's husband to get her to come to the island
It seems that if they wanted to keep the island a secret bad enough, they easily could have schemed a realistic looking plane crash
First time poster...love your recaps Mac Daddy
→ 149. Posted by: mikeymike at April 26, 2007 7:47 PMThe one problem I see with Dharma staging the plane crash is the Mikhael story about Dharma and the Others being enemies... anyone remember the Purging. Thoughts?
→ 150. Posted by: Gitmo at April 26, 2007 7:48 PMMac don't get me wrong you are the "Jacob" of this web site. I am humbled that you responed to me. If you come to Canada I will get "a bigger boat". Kudus to you and your work.
→ 151. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 7:55 PM@Dantheman: No worries at all. Sorry if it came across as snippy -- that wasn't my intention. Rather, I just wanted to clarify about the whole theory thing. I'm not smart enough or creative enough to concoct my own or latch on to others -- I just sorta go with the flow.
→ 152. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 7:58 PMSeems like there are a bunch of first-time posters this week. That's great! Welcome to you all!
→ 153. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 8:00 PMGotta feel bad for Jin. First he's on a plane where he is the only person who doesn't speak English. Then he crashes on an island where he is the only person who doesn't speak English. Then someone falls from the sky who speaks every language (including Canadain) known to man.... except Korean.
→ 154. Posted by: lostsox at April 26, 2007 8:18 PMI said the same thing about Michael and Walt showing up in another thread, that would definately be a news story!
→ 155. Posted by: heather Lyons at April 26, 2007 8:25 PMI said the same thing about Michael and Walt showing up in another thread, that would definately be a news story!
→ 156. Posted by: heather Lyons at April 26, 2007 8:26 PMMac I have posted before...Just nothing interesting enough for you to take note. I still am alittle confused!! Please help me out. Season 1 and 2--The numbers and Dharma are the central part of the show. So we are left with the job to find out why these number are important. k . Then we meet the "others". The numbers become not important any more and Dharma seems to be just a side note. k . Now we have this fertilty thing and it seems that the hole point of this show may be around that. k. Well thats what bugs me about this show. They hammer points, and then they leave them with know real explaination. So we are left with know answers and no real idea about what this show is real about..NUMBERS-DHARMA-OTHERS- FERTILITY-RELATIONSHIPS-PARENTS- SINS-FORGIVENESS ----- AHHHHHHHH..TIME FOR A COLD LABATTS BLUE-EH
→ 157. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 9:18 PMi didn't get much out of this episode at first, but having read the comments I can surmise that a baby concieved and born on this island has some immense value to many people. Seemingly this will drive season 4, and in hindsight all season 1-3 mysteries will all make sense (magnetism?). What this baby is capable of will probably be hinted at in the finale, and likely bring back elements of the 4 toed statue and Jacob (perhaps Jacob was the last one born to the island?) and Ben, who has been born but not concieved on the island?
Well, only a theory.,..
→ 158. Posted by: uuh...clem at April 26, 2007 10:06 PMRemember that Des didn't crash with oceanic 815, so Penny would still have a reason to search for Des eve
Wow!
Two mind-blowers in the same episode.
(1) Mikhail Bakunin returns from the dead.
(2) No servivors in Flight 815.
Almost make "Sun's going to die" pale in comparison.
Well, since the writers already said purgatory was out... Matrix anyone?
All the Losties are computer simulations of the deceased?
Clones?
Alternate realities and wormholes between?
Naomi's am Other playing with their minds?
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Mikhail:
Twin?
Just played dead?
Clone?
Time traveler?
Nertz.
→ 1. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 11:58 AM