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Key Points from "Greatest Hits"
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Season 3, Episode 21 Episode Air Date: 05/16/07 |
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The build-up to Charlie's "death" has been one of the most bizarre TV scenarios I've ever encountered. Dominic Monaghan was featured prominently in "Lost's" early marketing material -- "Lord of the Rings" made him notable -- but here we are, three years later, snared in a "future-flash" storytelling device that actually encourages the audience to anticipate a once-major-character's death. I never could have seen that coming, yet, I'm now going to feel cheated if Charlie doesn't die. Does that seem odd to anyone else or am I overanalyzing things again?
Anyway, let's get recappin'. This is a scene-setting episode, which has to be a huge pain in the butt for writers to whip up because most of them -- like us -- are far more interested in the season finale. But write they must, and as scene-setters go, this is a useful little show. The Charlie portion of "Greatest Hits" follows our intrepid bassist and part-time heroin junkie through his last few hours on the island ... or so we're led to believe. It all begins when Desmond experiences a future flash early in the episode. His brow furrows and his Mask of False Concern descends. Charlie is now an expert at diagnosing these future-flash symptoms, so he immediately asks Des to fill him in on the latest message from the beyond. But Des is apprehensive and feigns ignorance: "It was just indigestion, brotha." Ah, but Charlie is a dogged pursuer of the truth, especially when that truth offers grisly details of his upcoming demise. Later in the day, he gets Desmond to spill the beans. You'll recall that the first couple future-flashes suggested that Charlie would meet an accidental fate (slipping on a rock, getting electrocuted by Zeus' thunderbolt), but in "Catch-22," Desmond's future flashes -- and Charlie's death -- started to tie into a larger rescue scenario. As we witnessed, Des wasn't able to initially let the future take its course, but in "Greatest Hits," the future sweetens its rescue pot: Desmond says Claire and Aaron will be rescued if Charlie drowns. The prospect of beloved Claire and little Turnip Head making it off the island inspires Charlie. For the first time, he's willing to visit the great Hatch in the Sky ("The Pearly Gate"). The drowning bit isn't all that exciting, but Des says this latest future-flash involves an underwater structure, a blinking yellow light, a switch that needs to be flipped and Charlie's subsequent death. If things play out in that order, Claire and Aaron will be scooped up by a helicopter at some point in the future. (The helicopter will promptly crash and kill everyone on board ... but Des doesn't mention that last bit). A secondary plotline (Key Point 3) just happens to correspond with Desmond's latest future-flash. Juliet has informed Jack and Sayid that an underwater hatch, dubbed the Looking Glass (natch), is set up to block outgoing communication signals. Professor Sayid concludes that if someone can disable the Looking Glass, he'll be able to use Naomi's radio phone to signal her ship. Problem is, Juliet doesn't know how to find the Looking Glass and she's been told that it was flooded years ago. Charlie strolls by at this exact moment (what are the chances?) and promptly volunteers for diving duty. Jack initially denies Charlie's request, but Charlie turns to the always reliable Shelley Winters defense: "I was junior swim champion ... I can hold my breath for four minutes!" Inexplicably, this changes Jack's mind and he approves the mission. With the die cast, Charlie spends some quality time with Claire and Aaron. He whispers I love you to Aaron (Aaron responds by honking his Hobbit schnoz), then he makes Claire promise she won't worry while he's gone (she doesn't realize "gone" can be a long, long time). The two share a kiss and then Charlie shuffles off to fill his lungs with ocean water. Sidenote: If this proves to be Charlie and Claire's final moment, the writers deserve credit for showing romantic restraint. Remember, Charlie and Claire have only known each other for 90 days, and during that time their flirtation has been interrupted by Charlie's heroin addition, his detoxification, his lying, his involvement in Sun's abduction, his temporary ostracism from the camp, and that whole hatch blowing up thing. When, exactly, would these two have forged the bonds that could justify a full-fledged love scene? It wouldn't make sense (e.g. Sayid and Shannon), especially since Aaron is perched nearby and it's the middle of the friggin' day. Or maybe parenthood has made me prudish. Moving on ... With the unrequited goodbye out of the way, Charlie joins Desmond down by the water to finalize their plans and organize their newly acquired outrigger canoe (the boat is courtesy of Karl, who makes a surprise appearance early in the episode -- more on that later). Just before they shove off, Hurley arrives and says he'd like to accompany them because he's tired of "trekking and explosions." Charlie knows Hurley possesses an uncanny ability to change minds through kindness and niceness, and he also knows that mind-changing could, in this situation, have catastrophic consequences. So he insults Hurley's size ("you can't fit in the boat") and Hurley walks off, wounded by his friend's cruel words. But Charlie knows this might be the last time he sees his burly buddy, so he rushes after him and the two embrace and Charlie gets all mushy. He tells Hurley he loves him and Hurley scoffs a little, but says he loves Charlie, too. Satisfied, Hurley leaves and Charlie returns to the outrigger. Charlie and Des use the boat to paddle toward the isolated stretch of beach where that long, mysterious cable is buried. The cable, which first appeared at the beginning of season one, is about to become very important. Earlier in this episode, Sayid uses the schematics he stole from the Flame ("Enter 77") to determine that the Mystery Cable supplies power to Dharma's underwater Looking Glass station. Follow the cable, Sayid says, and you'll find the station. And that's exactly what Charlie and Des do. They lift the cable off the beach, dangle it over the outrigger, then pull themselves along it. Out and out they go .. and then it stops. Desmond looks down. There, deep beneath them, is a metal structure that's lit from within. This is the moment of truth, and Charlie knows it. He hands Desmond a sheet of paper and asks him to give it Claire. The sheet contains the top 5 "greatest hits" from Charlie's life (Key Point 2). Desmond is a big softie, so he's touched by Charlie's list. He's so touched, he slips into temporary idiocy and volunteers to take Charlie's place on the suicide mission (uh, Des?). Charlie quietly accepts Desmond's offer and for a brief moment it actually looks like Desmond will perform the heroic dive. But Desmond momentarily shifts his gaze to the back of the boat and Charlie wacks him with an oar. Des falls to the floor of the outrigger, unconscious. Charlie tucks his top 5 list into Desmond's shirt pocket, then grabs a nearby weight belt and dives into the water. Down and down he goes, passing Dharma sharks and a school of Spiny DeGroot Trout (a rare site in these waters). Bubbles pop from the sides of his mouth as he struggles toward the Looking Glass. He reaches the structure and swims between pylons, desperately kicking toward a moon pool (yes, it has one). Closer ... closer ... almost there ... Charlie reaches the pool and explodes from the water. He takes mighty sucks of oxygen. He made it! Looking around, Charlie sees that the Looking Glass seems awfully well kept for a thought-to-be flooded Dharma station. The area around the moon pool is dry. The lights are on. If he didn't know better, he'd swear he was on the set of "The Abyss." Charlie swims to a nearby ladder and hoists himself onto the deck. He can't believe how easy this is! Yeah, about that easy thing ... CREAAAAAAAK Charlie spins at the sound of a heavy metal door opening. Footsteps! Two women, both carrying guns, run into the moon pool area. Charlie moves back. The Looking Glass was supposed to be empty! And that's when it ends! |
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This episode's backstory chronicles the top 5 greatest hits from Charlie's life (as per the previously noted list). There isn't much to it, save for a chance/gratuitous encounter with a peripheral character, but here goes:
#5: The first time he heard Driveshaft on the radio. This one goes back to the early days of Driveshaft. The band is struggling to make ends meet and Charlie is ready to hang up his bass, but just as he's reached his breaking point, he and his bandmates here the dulcet tones of "You All Everybody" waft from the radio. The boys celebrate. Hookers and heroin are right around the corner. #4: The first time he swam on his own. We see Charlie as a little boy (7? 8?), standing on the edge of a community pool. His father is beckoning him to jump in, but lil' Chuckie is scared out of his mind. "Just jump on in," his father says. "I'll catch ya, I promise." Tapping into heroic reserves he didn't know he had, little Charlie takes a might leap ... arcing high through the air, arms and moppy hair akimbo ... SPLASH! Daddy didn't catch him. But Charlie zips to the surface and yelps with glee. "I did it!" Daddy is proud. Charlie is proud. At the other end of the pool, a four-year-old takes a poop. (Community pools = gross). #3: The day Liam gave him the family ring. Number 3 occurs at the height of Driveshaft's success. Charlie's older brother, Liam, pops into Charlie's swank hotel room and plucks baby bro out of his groupie sandwich (Two girls? Not bloody likely). Liam has a surprise for Charlie. He slides a ring off his finger and hands it over. The ring has two initials -- DS, short for Dexter Stratton, a relative of some sort. It's a family heirloom that's passed to the first male of each generation. Technically, Liam is the heir, but Liam knows his hard-partying ways are likely to get him killed before he's 30, so he wants Charlie to take the ring because, at this point in Driveshaft's career, Charlie is still drug-free. Charlie accepts the ring. Later, in the closing moments of the episode, we see that Charlie leaves the ring in Aaron's crib. #2: The day he saved that completely random woman. Charlie's most heroic moment occurred in a London alley. The scene at first appears to be a repeat of Desmond's Charlie encounter in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" -- Charlie is singing "Wonderwall" near a Tube station -- but Desmond doesn't appear in the scene, so it's likely Charlie brought his mediocre Oasis impersonation to the London populace on a regular basis. On the way home from his "gig," Charlie see a woman being mugged in an alley. He charges in and fends off the mugger with his guitar case. Somehow, this works. Charlie turns to check on the woman. Well, well, well, we meet again ... Nadia. The woman is Sayid's long-lost love, but of course Charlie doesn't know that. Nor does he know that Nadia has a penchant for randomly popping up in backstories (she showed up in Locke's as well). She tells Charlie that he's a hero, and for a brief moment he feels awfully good about himself. And that brings us to ... #1: The night he met Claire. We travel back to the halcyon days immediately after the crash of Oceanic 815. Night falls and survivors cluster around campfires built in the shadow of the fuselage. Charlie spots Claire, who is very, very pregnant. He offers her a blanket, then sits down and unloads one of the best pick-up lines ever uttered. "So, first plane crash?" he asks with a smile. Claire immediately takes to him because, dammit, that's an excellent line. In the background, Evangeline Lilly seethes ("Back offa my man, Emilie"). The two exchange pleasantries and Charlie successfully allays Claire's fears about rescue. What she doesn't realize is that he's hopped up on smack and thinks he's talking to a pregnant Easter bunny. Nonetheless, it's a lovely moment. And that's that with the backstory.
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This episode's third plotline is a little screwy because it contains a single Other scene that's revealed in sorta-flashback form. It's an odd structure, especially since it didn't seem necessary.
Nonetheless, here's how things play out. The Other scene is brief but vital. It shows Ben returning to New Bennsylyvania. His eyes are bulging like they've never bulged before because, moments ago, he drilled a bullet into Locke's chest and left him to die in the Dharma pit. Upon returning to camp, he's rabid with rage and power. He hands his pistol back to Alex and it's clear from his demeanor that Alex was not an accomplice in some sort of "shoot Locke" plan (I initially thought Ben may have instructed Alex to give Locke the gun in "The Man Behind the Curtain" -- thereby allowing Ben to later use the gun against Locke -- but Ben's level of pissedoffedness suggests that Alex meant to help Locke and diss her dad). Richard Alpert immediately grills Ben on Locke's whereabouts (he needs to know the location of the Others' once and future king at all times), and Ben says he had an "accident." Alpert is stunned because he knows Ben just did something very, very bad. But Ben has something bigger and badder in store. He summons Ryan Pryce -- the Other henchman who took over for the recently departed Danny Pickett -- and tells him to organize a strike team. He wants to immediately storm the castaways' beach and grab all the women, not just the pregnant ones. Pryce says he can have a 10-person team ready to go by nightfall. Alex overhears Ben and Pryce's conversation. She slips away and darts through the woods in search of Karl. This is the weird part. Karl, who's been ostracized from the Others, has apparently been camping within a mile of the Others' location. Is he some sort of super-survivalist who can avoid Other detection? Anyway, Alex tells Karl he needs to get to the beach camp and warn the castaways about the incursion. Karl is initially reticent to leave Alex, but she reminds him that Sawyer and Kate saved his life and now he owes them. She seals her order with a kiss and with that, Karl zips off to a hidden outrigger canoe. Sidenote: In a bit of premeditated "mystery," the writers added a line to the Alex-Karl exchange where Alex randomly questions if Ben is actually her father. It's the sort of not-at-all-random dialog that suggests an Alex-Rousseau reunion may occur sooner than we expected. It takes Karl a while to get to the canoe and paddle around the island. While we wait for him, let's visit the beach camps ... Last week's beach events ended abruptly when Jack and Juliet arrived during a castaway town meeting. As this episode opens, we learn where Jack and Juliet were coming from ... and we also learn what Rousseau was doing with all that dynamite. Early on in "Greatest Hits," Jack and Juliet lead the major characters (but none of the backgrounders) on a morning hike to a large, lush field. Upon arriving, Jack goes to the treeline and calls for Rousseau. She emerges, picking ticks from her scalp and licking her dirty paw. Without saying a word, she clears away a bundle of nearby brush and reveals a makeshift detonation station. The castaways are impressed. They weren't expecting a pyrotechnic performance. Jack uses this very dramatic opportunity to reveal his "master plan." He tells the assembled that Juliet came to him a few days ago and revealed the Others' "Operation: Knocked Up." At first, Jack wondered where the castaways could hide this time around, but then it struck him: it's time to stop hiding. So he sought out Rousseau and over the ensuing days, Crazy Danielle has been stockpiling dynamite from the Black Rock (which solves the mini-mystery from "The Brig"). Jack motions toward Rousseau. She grabs two wires and touches them together. BOOM! An innocent mango tree is engulfed in a fireball. Castaways respond with scattered golf claps. And this is when Jack morphs into Action Jackson. He says that Juliet is going to follow through with Ben's plan. She'll mark tents per Ben's instruction, but when the Others storm the tents, they'll find big bundles of unstable TNT. "Tomorrow night when they show up ... we're gonna blow them all to hell," Jack says with a snarl. It's a lovely plan, but there's just one hitch: the Others are already on their way. After the TNT demonstration, the castaways return to camp to prepare for battle. Jack has a laser focus on Other destruction, but Sayid has something equally important to discuss: rescue. You see, Sayid has concluded that Rousseau's 16-year-old radio transmission is preventing Naomi's radio phone from calling out (what Sayid doesn't realize is that radio phones require a prepaid debit card and knowledge of international calling codes). Sayid says they need to find the radio tower and disable the transmission. But there's a wee problem. Juliet and Rousseau are listening in on all this, and Jules steps forward to reveal that Ben is using the Looking Glass to block all outgoing transmissions. One thing leads to another, Charlie volunteers for a diving expedition, and the radio-phone/transmission tower plotline is temporarily shelved until the end of the episode. Moments later, Hurley sees an outrigger canoe make landfall down the beach. He calls out and Sayid appears out of nowhere. With Olympian speed, Sayid runs down the beach and lands a beautiful open-field tackle on Karl (Rodney Harrison would be proud). Fortunately for Karl, Sawyer appears and vouches for him (remember, Sawyer and Karl sorta kinda bonded back in "Stranger in a Strange Land"). So the castaways bring Karl back to the camps and he reveals that Juliet is a mole, but Karl is sorely disappointed to learn that Juliet's double-cross has already been uncovered. However, the castaways are very interested in Karl's second bit of news: the Others are already on their way. Concern punches Jack in the mouth. It's not the Others who are about to be blown to hell, it's his well-laid plan. He groups up with Rousseau, Sayid and Juliet and it's readily apparent that their dyno scheme isn't going to be ready when Pryce and his merry henchmen arrive. But Sayid "Clutch" Jarrah has a back-up plan. Rather than wasting time laying cable, why not position three snipers in the woods and blow the dynamite up with bullets? Dammit, Sayid that just ... might ... work! Jack's attention quickly shifts toward sniper candidates. Sayid is good with a rifle, so he's on board. Rousseau volunteers, but Jack rejects her application (but he does take her gun). If only he could find a rarely-seen dentist with deadeye marksmanship. And this is when Rose and Bernard return to the story. Bernard just happens to be a hell of a shooter, and he demonstrates his ability by picking off an assortment of Dharma canned goods. Bernard is excited at the prospect of being useful (that S.O.S. debacle left a mark), but Rose is not at all enthused about her husband enlisting in Jack's sniper squad. Unless Jack can give his word that Bernard will be safe, Rose is staying behind. "I'll give you my word that if we don't kill everyone who shows up here in an hour, it's not going to matter where Bernard is," Jack says flatly. Pray on that Rose. Rose and Bernard depart, which leaves Jack and Sayid alone to finalize their plans. The three snipers will stay behind, but the rest of the castaway clan will travel to Rousseau's Mysterious Radio Tower. If things go as planned, the snipers will blow the Others to bits, Charlie and Desmond will disable the Looking Glass' jamming mechanism, and the castaways will then use Naomi's phone (and, presumably, the radio tower) to send a rescue signal. Sayid and Jack agree on the operational details, but an important bit of information got lost in all the preparation: who's going to lead the castaways to the radio tower? Jack thinks Sayid should go, but Sayid -- who, as usual, is the smartest person on the island -- says Jack needs to man-up and be the leader he claims to be. Jack whines in response. "I owe them!" Jack spurts. "What are you more concerned with, killing the Others, or getting these people off the island?" Sayid asks. Testify Sayid! Jack knows Sayid is right, so he wisely backs down and shuts up. The castaways converge on the beach in the final moments of the episode. Backpacks are stocked with water and Dharma PowerBars. Random people we've never seen mill around, waiting for Jack to lead them into the jungle. Kate looks at Jack. "So, here we go again," she says. And that's where it ends.
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A few closing questions and observations:
That's all I've got! Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture. |
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| "Through the Looking Glass" -- The survivors get closer to rescue than ever before ... or so they believe. BWAHAHAHA! Airs Wednesday, May 23, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC. | |
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Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc. |
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Posted by Mac on May 17, 2007 11:02 AM | Email This
Hi there. A few things to ponder. Juliet appears to have turned but she hasn't told the losties that Claire has an implant that could kill her. I also think Dominick is a super mole
→ 2. Posted by: Don at May 17, 2007 11:09 AMThe 3rd sniper is Jin... Don't forget, in DOC, we found out he has military training
→ 3. Posted by: usually lurkin at May 17, 2007 11:10 AMWay to go Mac another stellar review
Go Red Sox
Charlie was sweet in tonight's show. Goes a long way to redeeeming the somewhat creepiness
of his character in S2.
The major question I have from the show concerns the timing of the others' raid.
Did Ben correctly figure that Locke swiped his tape recorder and warned the Losties, and
therefore moved up the raid to regain the element of surprise?
Or did Ben plan it this way all along, deliberately baiting Locke with the recorder, and
telling his own people that it was a different day so they couldn't give away the true
timing of the raid, then once the hook was set, moving up the raid by a day.
And what do they plan to *do* with the pregnant women, anyway?
Other minor points:
- the Looking Glass Station?
OK, you might want to have an underwater station to study sea life - but why would you have electronic jammers there? Shoudn't that be int he communications station? Plus, that cable is too big for a signal cable - it's got to be power. Eaither way, if you want to cut off a jamming signal from an underwater station, why do yo have to swim down to it? Especially when you think you're going to die doing it? Cut the bloody cable! An ax on shore would do the job.
Charlie's assuming he'll die throwing the switch. So how's Desmond supposed to know if he suceeded or not? Especially since he left Desmond behind unconscious?
And how did they get such an exact description of the switch? Juliet's never been there and the diagram Sayid had was not specific enough to provide that sort of information.
And if you're trying to swim to your physiological limits, mightn't you want to take off your jeans, t-shirt, and shoes first? North England swimming champ, indeed.
JACK IS BACK!!!!!!! ABOUT TIME. This was a good "filler" show.
→ 6. Posted by: dantheman at May 17, 2007 11:19 AMMy wife who doesn't read the blogs and only watches Lost because I do made a good point last night.
She said instead of swimming down to a flooded hatch why didn't Charlie and Des just cust to the power line to the Looking Glass.
I thought it was a good point.
→ 7. Posted by: Steve B at May 17, 2007 11:19 AMGreat Review (as usual) So the question I have is did Desmond "know" that Charlie wasn't going to be able to flip the switch and die so easily?
→ 8. Posted by: Toni at May 17, 2007 11:21 AMOk couple of things about last nights episode
1 Very interesting that Ben Played a key roll in the take over of Darhma and now his dear little Alex is playing a big role in helping the Losties.
2 Is the Looking Glass where they keep all the women, and Im assuming that is where they get the info that was then transferred to the Flame?
3 Who was the guy that Charles stopped from Robbing the women that called him a Hero, tried to pause it on his face but was unable to?
4 Alex did believe what Sayid told her about her Dad. Sawyers only line of the night "I know him" to Carl.
That is all for now on to read the Review thanks Mac!!
→ 9. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 11:24 AMAm I first?
Great review as always Mac!
A couple of things I picked up on. The name "Looking Glass" comes from the original title of Alice in Wonderland. The original book was titled "Alice through the Looking Glass" I predict we might see this book either being read or on a bookshelf in the near future.
Does anyone else think the blonde woman in the new hatch could be Annie from Ben's past? That would mean, Ben isn't the only original Dharma survivor. Also, did anyone catch the other woman? I think she looked like the woman Sawyer conned in the "Long Con" episode and helped Kate briefly reunite with her mother.
I think the 3rd sniper is Jin. He was in the Korean Army. We know he was in the infantry, so that would translate into shooting ability.
Lastly, I wonder if there was any significance with Charlie's ring being left behind in the beach sand. BTW, I looked back at the previous episode with Charlie singing Oasis in the rain....completely different. Charlie was wearing a different shirt and the buildings were different as well. Obviouslt Charlie was a street performer.
I can't wait to the season finale, the last few episodes have been amazing!
→ 10. Posted by: Sam at May 17, 2007 11:25 AMI think that was the first episode of Lost that has ever made me cry! Sniff, sniff… Charlie was willing to die so that Claire and Aaron could be rescued from the island! Sob… (Wipe tears from cheeks) He was willing to die for her… Sniff, sniff. AND, then Des offered to go in Charlie's spot! My husband's shirt was pretty soggy by the end of the episode.
I believe charlie's life will be saved due to the fact that he is now, not avoiding death. If that makes any sense.I know people will say that his name may not be in the credits for a certain ep. but that may be the producers leading us on. Remember things never turn out the way they seem!
→ 12. Posted by: dantheman at May 17, 2007 11:31 AMThe Pearly Gate
How can you top that one, Mac?
Fabulous, as always...oh, and a great episode too!
→ 13. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 11:31 AM@4 1st loser to claim first and not be first. So pathetic
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Jin is the 3rd shooter for sure. If you freeze frame the prevoew for next week you can see Said, Jin, and Bernard tied up by the others with a gun on them
→ 14. Posted by: Matt at May 17, 2007 11:32 AM"it's likely Charlie brought his mediocre Oasis impersonation to the London populace on a regular basis."
I don't think so. I think that's an exact replica of the Desmond scene, but sans Desmond.
→ 15. Posted by: Sean at May 17, 2007 11:32 AMI think the blonde chick that ran up and pointed a gun at Charlie looked like the same one who threw the fire bomb at the raft in "Exodus: Part 2." If it is, then apparently these women can come and go from this hatch.
I never saw a blinking yellow switch. Did I miss it or did Charlie never actually flip it?
Also, that white rabbit that Alex was skinning kinda looked like Ben's fluffly little Number 8. Sure hope the writers haven't stooped so low that they're using this bit to show Alex's need for getting revenge on her "father." Poor bun-bun! :(
Well last night was exactly what I expected....nothing groundbreaking, but I guess a good set up for the finale.
Up until this show, I've just been waiting for Charlie to die. Waiting and waiting. Now, I'm starting to have second thoughts...perhaps his death or the premonitions of that death is going to be more important than we all realize.
Specifically, I'm now wondering first of all if he dies at all, and secondly, if he does, his death will not only tie in to saving the losties, but perhaps Jacob as well. Just thinking out loud.
Boy, Benny sure looked shaken up when he got back to camp. That was fun.
On the cable...yeah, you would think they could cut it at the beach, but I suppose that you could argue that it's irrelevant...it could be just some sort of communication cable to the flame or perhaps a cable to a backup power source. Regardless, I wouldn't get too tied up in wondering why they just didn't cut it.
Thanks Mac!
→ 17. Posted by: petew at May 17, 2007 11:37 AMGreat set up episode. I don't expect to see Locke's rescue/death scene until sometime next season.
So, do we believe that Desmond saw Charlie "Drown"? He seemed somewhat hestitant about that.
Also thought it interesting that the blonde woman who comes out to meet the stealthy ninja Charlie looks like a grown up version of Alice (he has fallen thru the looking glass!!!)
Can hardly wait til next week.
Was it me or did the Looking Glass folks look like Dharma people and not "Others"?
In the end figuring out why they didn't cut the power is like figuring out how on TV people get knocked unconscious with having a skull fracture.
Here's an idea: you go hit someone in the head with a board today and see if he/she falls unconscious. Dead maybe; bleeding, screaming profanities, and very, very angry certainly, but unless the unconsciousness proceeds the death, highly unlikely he/she will take a convenient nap.
In other words, let's enjoy the bs idea that one of them has to swim down to the invisible station...we SHALL suspend belief!
→ 19. Posted by: tim at May 17, 2007 11:38 AMHey SAM The looking glass hatch has a picture of a Rabbit in the middle. It was the rabbit who helped Alice get out of the looking glass. Yes oh Yes the Rabbit!!!!
→ 20. Posted by: dantheman at May 17, 2007 11:41 AMWasn't there a white rabbit in Alice in Wonderland?
→ 21. Posted by: Rudy at May 17, 2007 11:41 AMQuick question about Juliet:
When she told Sun she was sorry, was it for spilling the beans about her pregnancy to the Others or could it be for lying about the DOC? I wonder if that will come up later? I'm still not convinced that she's now a team player. I think she will do anything, even if it means lying about Sun's DOC, to get herself off the island. Also, I'm guessing what she wanted to tell Kate a while ago and Jack shot her down was the plan the Others had for coming to take the women.
If I was Sun, I would let Jin know that some crazy people are coming to steal me and our baby away and sit back while he kicks some Other butt. Because you know he will. He'd show 'em some total body protection, possessive husband-style.
And call me crazy, but I swear the dark-haired woman with the gun in the Looking Glass reminded me of Cindy the stewardess (or flight attendant, whatever). Haven't seen her in a while, so could it be her?
→ 22. Posted by: SuperMe at May 17, 2007 11:41 AMSayid "Clutch" Jarrah..."Operation: Knocked Up"...
Great Review Mac! After all of the laughing outloud I think that my co-workers are going to think that I am crazy.
→ 23. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 11:42 AMMaybe Des saw Charlie flip the switch, and that causes the hatch to flood where he drowns to death.
→ 24. Posted by: Michael at May 17, 2007 11:42 AMSome points:
1.Anyone notice Alex carving the rabbit? And Karl asking if she brought the rabbit? Ben's affinity for rabbits was explored last week? Alice in Wonderland, anyone?
2. I thought it was very important that the two people who came upon Charlie were WOMEN. I think this may be a splinter group from Ben.....maybe escaping their own fate of being impregnated and then dying. Does Ben still have communication with the Loking Glass?
3. Love the underwater hatch. Totally cool.
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Slowing down my DVR and rewatching the the preview for next week- Desmond makes it to the Looking Glass....and it looks like Bernard kicks the bucket.
o OK, so Mac's as usual excellent review reminds me that Desmond's vision is how we know the appearance of the switch. So we're depending on visions to risk our lives now?
o 100 Days seems a tad short to get out a "Driveshaft's Greatest Hits" tribute album. And wouldn't that be "Driveshaft's Greatest Hit"? You could put it on a 45.
o Seems we've still got a little untold Charlie backstory. When and why did Rock's only non-drug-using bassist develop a heroin habit?
o Good point about the massive demonstation explosion, Mac. That bothered me, too.
→ 26. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 11:44 AMSome points:
1.Anyone notice Alex carving the rabbit? And Karl asking if she brought the rabbit? Ben's affinity for rabbits was explored last week? Alice in Wonderland, anyone?
2. I thought it was very important that the two people who came upon Charlie were WOMEN. I think this may be a splinter group from Ben.....maybe escaping their own fate of being impregnated and then dying. Does Ben still have communication with the Loking Glass?
3. Love the underwater hatch. Totally cool.
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Slowing down my DVR and rewatching the the preview for next week- Desmond makes it to the Looking Glass....and it looks like Bernard kicks the bucket.
@ No. 6/Cecil Rose.
I believe Sayid or Juliette said that the Looking Glass was structured in a way that it could be accessed by submarine ... but I agree with you that it's odd that that is where they are jamming signals from. I figured that it must be because it is hard to access/easy to hide, so if people figure out that the signal is jammed, they still don't know from where. We've seen the ease with which the Losties eventually stumble upon the other stations, so maybe that's the reason? Also, I don't remember if Sayid and friends had a detailed description of the switch, and if that's what you are talking about, but I think that Charlie's details about the switch came from Desmond's flash. And I also questioned how Desmond would know Charlie succeeded, if Charlie is to die down there
@ No. 12/Sam - I think the significance of the ring left behind was that Charlie left it in Aaron's cradle because he looks at him as if he were his own son.
@Mac - great review as always. I had such a good laugh at "Pray on that Rose" and Charlie thinking he was "talking to a pregnant Easter bunny". LOL.
@ Everyone
I thought Charlie's "greatest hits" were so sweet. And I liked that his #1 was meeting Claire. I particularly enjoyed his goodbye to Hurley - I'd forgotten that they'd kind of been good buddies in the first two seasons. That moment made me remember when Hurley tried to tell Charlie about his lotto winnings. Oh, and Hurley was too big for the outrigger.
I also liked that Rose told Jack she liked him better since he got back. He's a little irritating to me at times, but I still agree.
I usually don't enjoy the "filler" episodes as much, but this was a pretty good one, as they go. I can't wait for next week ... for those 2 hours, I'm gonna be incommunicado like a plane/boat/helicopter crash victim on Lost Island!
→ 28. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 11:45 AMSorry....couoldn't resist...
→ 29. Posted by: SonnyESQ at May 17, 2007 11:45 AMAs always, way to go Mac.
I hope Locke turns out to be good as well, though I wouldn't hold my breath. Did I see in the previews that Des end up in Looking Glass as well?
And why would they leave to young women down there alone? Maybe so they wouldn't get pregnant?
I still do not trust Juliete (sp), though I did like how she greeted Carl, "Gee thanks Carl for diming me out, I missed you too", or something like that.
It will be a long off season, but well worth the wait.
→ 30. Posted by: Gerard at May 17, 2007 11:46 AMWhen Jack said "I owe them!" was he talking about the camp, or the others?? Is he indebted to them in some way or does he feel guilty for not telling the Losties the truth about the Mole right away?
→ 31. Posted by: Trinity at May 17, 2007 11:47 AMI thought for sure Jack's big line was going to be "Tomorrow night when they show up ... Boom goes the dynamite."
→ 32. Posted by: Kevin at May 17, 2007 11:48 AMJACOB question....
When Ben told Richard that he spoke to Jacob and Jacob told him to move forward with the plan immediatly...
Hello? Did Jacob "say" that? Is Jacob really just Ben? Is Ben a filthy liar?
Let's discuss....
→ 33. Posted by: sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 11:48 AM"When they show up, we will blast them all to hell"
Anyone else see the purgatory tie in there? LOL, I thought that was funny wording by the writers.
→ 34. Posted by: Michael at May 17, 2007 11:50 AM@Kevin: That poor kid. He's never going to live that down.
→ 35. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2007 11:50 AM@37.
I am on the fence on whether or not I think that Ben can still communicate with Jacob. It seemed that he was talking to Jacob when they first entered the cabin and that Jacob was angry at him for bringing John to see him. At the same time, Ben seemed so interested in the fact that John had heard Jacob that it was almost like Jacob had stopped giving him messages. The only time that Jacob could have given Ben a message was when he had him pushed up against the wall.
I don't think that Jacob said anything about storming the camp early. I think that Ben uses Jacob to maintain control over the rest of the Others - but it seems his control is wearing thin.
→ 36. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 11:53 AMAcronym time again:
NYNF - No, you're not first
WDTCTC - Why don't they cut the cable?
It's a good thing Sawyer isn't one of the snipers, since he missed killing the marshall at point-blank range. I was surprised they didn't show Sun arguing with Jin about not going with her. Maybe she figured if he got killed he wouldn't find out that she's gonna die anyway.
→ 37. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 11:54 AMDoes anyone else remember the episode where that woman is drowning and Charlie runs to get Jack to save her? I swear I remember Charlie telling him that he can't swim. But, from his dive, it looks like he's got no problems. Why would he lie? And, why doesn't Jack remember that when Charlie all of a sudden says he's a junior champion and can hold his breath for 4 minutes. Am I making stuff up or does anyone else remember that?
→ 38. Posted by: Shannon...But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 11:55 AMHere is a thought on the whole breaking the cable. maybe they have a backup generator system and if they do loose power, they can send out a signal the other "others" to fix it. Just a thought.
→ 39. Posted by: Gerard at May 17, 2007 11:58 AM@38
I thought that was Boone
re: the brunette in the Looking glass- i was fairly certain it was Cindy, the stewardess who landed in the tail section. it would be a lost-like twist though for it to turn out to be sawyer's ex/ alleged baby momma who helped kate.
when the 815s were discussing the looking glass, sayid indicated the moon pool was large enough to dock a submarine, so the women could come/go from the site.
(now i need to figure out whether or not we've seen cindy on dry land since the locke bombed the sub)
→ 41. Posted by: amanda at May 17, 2007 12:02 PMGreat Mac! Can't wait until next week. Finally, they bring back Rose and Bernard. I have seen many posts from viewers wondering what happened to them. I think the writers are on to your blog!!!!
Any chance Alex or Richard will rescue Locke? The show cannot lose it's bad asses Sayid, Jin and Locke. They ARE the show!!!
→ 42. Posted by: Kimberly at May 17, 2007 12:04 PMThat was an awesome recap and made my Thursday morning, as usual.
I agree with the 2nd poster and am wondering why Juliet didn't say anything about Claire's implant if she is being sincere. Possibly her and Ben had a plan B which was that she'd disclose that he wanted the pregnant women if her secret was compromised. If Ben felt Juliet was a trader, why would he want the pregnant women becuase she's the fertility expert. It doesn't make sense if he's not planning on her being there to help with them.
I also thought it looked like Cindy in the hatch but didn't notice a scarf.
I would think the Cable they followed was for something other than power. I also think there is another way to get into The Looking Glass than just underwater - tunnel perhaps.
I think Desmond was suspicious with his premonitions too. I don't think he told Charlie everything which is why he offered to go down in the water for him. Next week should be interesting.
→ 43. Posted by: Nanc at May 17, 2007 12:05 PMIf anyone's interested, Canada has a better promo (IMHO) for the Lost Season Finale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvT_F8GYV4
→ 44. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:05 PMOne more thought....Ben had Lockes gun...I can't remember...did Locke drop it before he fell into the grave, or did Ben actually crawl in there and grab it from John after he fell in?
→ 45. Posted by: petew at May 17, 2007 12:05 PMOh my god! The "fem-bots" got Charlie! "Machine gun jublees! How did I miss those baaaaby!"
→ 46. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 12:07 PMIt's a rabbit!!
The Looking Glass Dharma Logo is a rabbit! Check out the logo on the Lost Easter Egg site
(I can't put the URL link here- I tried.)
@petew: The gun thing troubled me too. I rewatched the shooting scene from last week and I can't figure out how Ben gets the gun.
→ 48. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2007 12:08 PMI think the next time we see Locke he will be showing up in the submarine. And I think he will be the death of Ben.
→ 49. Posted by: Burger Bill at May 17, 2007 12:09 PMAwesome review Mac!
I really wish this episode could have explained the weird gap in the tape recorder incident. Someone watching the show with me tried to explain that Ben could have always left messages on the back side of the tape, and Jules just knew, but that wouldn't explain how the Jack and her knew the attack was in two days.
You would of thought things like...oh...I don't know...Saving Claire's life, kicking heroine, making it big when your music is god awful (seriously) would have made it in to the "greatest hits". If those were my best five memories, I guess I would realize that I would want to die too.
I do have this sneaking feeling that Des lied to Charlie. I'm not sure why, but he seemed to have a shifty look about him as he was explaining Charlie's death. Maybe he knew about what appears to be torture in the previews, maybe he'll die a much more horrible death, or maybe Charlie's death won't save Claire and Eggplant head, but rather bring about sweet Nickle...er...Penny.
I can't WAIT for next week.
→ 50. Posted by: The Other Other at May 17, 2007 12:09 PM@petew, mac
Regarding the gun, I think it is possible that Ben grabbed Locke's gun from him (Locke had the gun stuck in the back of his waistband) while Locke was looking into the pit. So Ben shot Locke with his own gun.
→ 51. Posted by: ct at May 17, 2007 12:13 PMno one has mentioned the crux of the episode, where Charlie sheds all of his fears and past while swimming into the ocean, and his shoe comes off, and floats away.
→ 52. Posted by: noname at May 17, 2007 12:14 PM*****SPOILER*****
I don't really think the next week's previews are spoilers myself, but I've read in places where ppl get upset when other's don't mark them as spoilers ...
Last night in the previews, it looked as if Jack looked at Kate and said "I Love You". Do you guys think that is for real, or do you think it was editing, and he was speaking to someone else, like Juliette, or the group (if he was speaking to the group, how corny would that be, LOL)?
→ 53. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:16 PMGreat Re cap Big Mac, Special sauce lettuce cheese. as always. I belive ANNIE=ROSSO...We have never seen big ben or big annie inn the same shot, also young ben, and i would suspect young annie were both given those black bags when you 1st come to the island bags that they both seem 2 still carry. (ben pulls out his annie doll from his black bag).With the dolls they "would never have to be apart". Maybe ben brain washed her, at some point like they tried to do with karl.
→ 54. Posted by: T -spoon at May 17, 2007 12:17 PMGreat review Mac!
Re: The women in The Looking Glass hatch
I have read the comments so far and haven’t seen anything anyone post this theory. But my very first thought when the two women were seen in the Looking Glass was that they were with Naomi. When she told Patchy that she wasn’t alone, I assumed this meant that there were others on the helicopter. Perhaps when the helicopter crashed into the ocean they swam into the Looking Glass. I don’t have Tivo so I only saw it once, but it seemed like the uniforms they were wearing were the same as Naomi’s. Perhaps Charlie swam past some helicopter wreckage on his way down? Did anyone get a better view of what those women were wearing or what Charlie swam past?
As for why didn’t they just cut the power cable? Well that is not what Desmond saw in his vision. Charlie and Desmond put a lot of faith in Desmond’s visions and are clearly motivated to not try to change this one; so they will do what Desmond saw in an effort to make it come true. Whether or not there may be a smarter way to go about it, they don’t want to take the chance of changing the ending.
Can’t wait for the finale!
Kudos to you Mac. You brought "The Poseidon Adventure" and "Abyss" into the recap. You truly are the best of LOST writers. Best line: 'She emerges, picking ticks from her scalp and licking her dirty paw.' Yeah, that's about right.
Someone earlier mentioned that the cable should weigh something like 10 pounds per foot, or more, yet Charlie and Des are tossing it around like a noodle.
I also agree that the pyrotechnic demonstration was extreme. The Others should have heard it, and you would think there is a limited supply of dynamite aboard the Black Rock.
I had expected Charlie to rescue Naomi from the mugger, not Nadia.
Do you think the rescue helicopter will be Airwolf?
Peace out.
The brunette in the Looking Glass wasn't Cindy, she's been traveling with the Other's, we saw her speak to Locke a couple episodes ago, while pitching a tent. I believe it's a good possibility that the blonde is Annie, but I guess we'll see.
Why did Jack send Russeau away? She wanted to go with them and he told her she couldn't. Who the heck is he to tell her what she can't do??
Loved the episode. Totally cried. Can't wait for the finale!
→ 57. Posted by: sarah c at May 17, 2007 12:20 PMCindy has to be the most "spotted" character in series history ;)
→ 58. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2007 12:22 PMthe bigger issue with charlie in the looking glass - desmond assumes he's dead (if he's not lying about his vision). desmond will return to camp and tell the gang that charlie died after flipping the switch. no one will know he's a sex prisoner in an underwater paradise.
→ 59. Posted by: Jiggy at May 17, 2007 12:22 PM@ No.50/The Other Other
I don't think Jack and Juliette knew for sure when the attack would be until the other side of the tape was played in front of the group. I think they were just preparing for the attack, knowing it would be soon, and that they would find out exactly when the next time Juliette played one of Ben's tapes.
→ 60. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:22 PMSomething strange....what do you see when you turn the Rabbit logo (Looking Glass) upside down?
→ 61. Posted by: Len at May 17, 2007 12:28 PMOk, my husband has figured out the mystery of Lost. His idea is that after Hurley won the lottery, he decided to spend it on an adventure by CRS (remember Nicholas Van Orten in The Game). Nothing is real. Maybe some of the people on the island were also patients in the hospital he committed himself to and he befriended them.
Just a thought, probably no sillier than some of the others I have read about. And for the record, it is my husband's idea and not mine. Unless it turns out to be true and then I came up with it. ;)
Amy R
→ 62. Posted by: Amy at May 17, 2007 12:30 PMWhite Rabbit? I wonder if the season finale is going to end with a Jefferson Airplane concert on the beach. Charlie could be holding up a lighter...
So, did anyone else think Charlie's dad was going to let him down in the pool scene? How does Charlie's dad not being bad fit in?
Also, Terry O'Quinn's name was still in the credits...I know we all assume he's not dead, but does this confirm it? Or does this just mean he could show up in flashbacks?
Great episode, great recap.
→ 63. Posted by: PenFoe at May 17, 2007 12:32 PMShout out to Jiggy-
@#59
Funniest post ever!
Did anyone notice that when Charlie was singing on the street in his flashback, one of his audience looked a lot like Naomi, who happens to be from Manchester too?
→ 65. Posted by: andrew at May 17, 2007 12:32 PM**********SPOILER***************
Jin is the 3rd shooter for sure. If you freeze frame the prevoew for next week you can see Said, Jin, and Bernard tied up by the others with a gun on them
→ 66. Posted by: Matt at May 17, 2007 12:33 PM@Nanc/43
Juliet, even if she has changed sides, would have to be a total idiot to reveal everything she knows. Now, she still has brownie points for saving Clare's life. She's too crafty to lay all her cards on the table. We don't know for sure that Clare's implant could be fatal, or that it can be activated more than once. Juliet revealed only as much as she thought was relevant to the current mission.
Did anyone notice that when Charlie was singing on the street in his flashback, one of his audience looked a lot like Naomi, who happens to be from Manchester too?
→ 68. Posted by: andrew at May 17, 2007 12:34 PMDid anyone notice that when Charlie was singing on the street in his flashback, one of his audience looked a lot like Naomi, who happens to be from Manchester too?
→ 69. Posted by: andrew at May 17, 2007 12:34 PMAnother acronym--
WTBWC?
Was the brunette woman Cindy?
→ 70. Posted by: kati jo at May 17, 2007 12:36 PM@38/40
I also remember charlie saying he can't swim at some point. It was definitely not boone, he was a lifeguard.
→ 71. Posted by: 田也 at May 17, 2007 12:38 PM@Len/61 - I don't get it - what do you see?
→ 72. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 12:40 PM@ 71
Agreed!
I think it was when that women Joanna was drowning, Charlie asked Jack to save her because he couldn't swim. Then, later, someone said something to Charlie like "You were born on an island and you can't swim?" Charlie gives some brief answer about how he just never found the time.
→ 73. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 12:41 PMWhy would Mac even consider Sun to be a shooter? Is he just trying to imply that he's not sexist to rightfully assume it's Jin? It's OK Mac, we know you're not sexist, but it was pretty obvious that the 3rd shooter would be Jin.
→ 74. Posted by: Dave at May 17, 2007 12:42 PM@50 The Other Other said:
>I can't WAIT for next week.
I hope you won't be too dissapointed, but next week is a clip show, and the finale is in *two* weeks.
→ 75. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 12:42 PMWhy would Mac even consider Sun to be a shooter? Is he just trying to imply that he's not sexist to rightfully assume it's Jin? It's OK Mac, we know you're not sexist, but it was pretty obvious that the 3rd shooter would be Jin.
→ 76. Posted by: Dave at May 17, 2007 12:43 PMDid anyone else think they saw a "baby bump" on Alex? It was a brief flash when she handed the gun to Karl.
→ 77. Posted by: Kathy at May 17, 2007 12:44 PM@ 75/Cecil Rose
The Finale is next week. The clip show is tonite.
→ 78. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:46 PMGreat Review Thanks Mac!
When they are holding Jack in the under water tank on the other Island and he flips that switch making the room begins to fill with water. Could this room be in anyway conected to the Looking Glass? Uh feel like its a good thought.
Secondly as soon as Charlie started making that list I said to myself one of his best moments is going to be from the Island. Thinking more on that idea I bet alot of the other Losties would have Island moments in their top 5's too. Could this mean anything I have no idea.
Still hooked on the Ben turns his back on Darhma and ALex Turns her back on the Others Parrelle.
→ 79. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 12:46 PMJust want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode
→ 80. Posted by: Flori at May 17, 2007 12:46 PMWhy does everyone see Cindy everywhere? Is she really important to the show or are we looking too hard to connect the dots?
→ 81. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 12:47 PMJust want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode
→ 82. Posted by: Flori at May 17, 2007 12:47 PMGlad to see somebody else thought the rifle toting woman in the Looking Glass could be Cassie.
I thought that might be Ben's favorite Wabbit #8 that Alex was filleting too...but if #8 had a girlfriend the Bensylvanians would have an endless supply of wabbits for stewing.
Pearly Gate and Rodney comments were great Mac.
Go Sox.
We also know when Charlie will die Desmond said he would be in a room filled with equipment and then he would pull the yellow flashing switch. Resulting in his drowning, so that part has not yet happened remember Desmond does not see everything just Flashes. Still a beliver that Charlie will die.
→ 84. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 12:53 PM@ Cecil Rose
From the ABC website:
The Answers
Wednesday, May 23 at 8/7c
A look at some of the questions - and answers - about the mysteries of Lost, before the two-hour season finale!
Through the Looking Glass
Wednesday, May 23 at 9/8c
SEASON FINALE - Jack and his fellow castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship.
@ Cecil Rose
From the ABC website:
The Answers
Wednesday, May 23 at 8/7c
A look at some of the questions - and answers - about the mysteries of Lost, before the two-hour season finale!
Through the Looking Glass
Wednesday, May 23 at 9/8c
SEASON FINALE - Jack and his fellow castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship.
Okay, so biggest understatement of the night " You're too big Hurley" What was he thinking he would have been wearing that outrigger like a thong!!
→ 87. Posted by: Sheila at May 17, 2007 12:56 PM@ Cecil Rose
Charlie became a herion addict in S1E7, The Moth, when he tried to get his brother Liam off the stuff and, being unsuccessful, took the attitude "if ya can't beat em ..." The irony is that Liam cleaned up, married, had child, and Charlie still has the family ring.
@ Mac
Another great review. Thanks again. And I agree that only Elvis has been spotted in more places than Cindy.
→ 88. Posted by: losttravel at May 17, 2007 12:57 PM"Testify Sayid!"
HAHA...another great review Mac!
→ 89. Posted by: Ashley at May 17, 2007 12:57 PMOkay, so biggest understatement of the night " You're too big Hurley" What was he thinking he would have been wearing that outrigger like a thong!!
→ 90. Posted by: Sheila at May 17, 2007 12:57 PMI was dissapointed that next weeks previews gave away too much. Jacks band met at the tower by Ben, etc. Hope they surprise us better than that when the shoe airs.
Did anyone else see Locke in the previews or am I losing it?
Also when Karl showed up on the beach i thought it was stupid for Sayid to tackle him. he didn't seem at all threatening. Blowing up the tree was also stupid ... lets let the enemy know we have TNT
Whooos, my bad, thanks both Jenna and sillygirl0630 for the correction.
The interview with the producers is tonight (17th(, the clip show is next Wednesday a6 8, precedint the two part finale at 9.
→ 92. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 1:02 PMWhooos, my bad, thanks both Jenna and sillygirl0630 for the correction.
The interview with the producers is tonight (17th(, the clip show is next Wednesday a6 8, precedint the two part finale at 9.
→ 93. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 1:02 PMCan someone send me the Easter Egg site? I'm trying to see the Dharma logo on the hatch and I can't see it in the episode recaps. Thanks
→ 94. Posted by: Rudy at May 17, 2007 1:02 PM@75
No, it all occurs next week, the 23rd. Three hours!!! The Answers, followed by the finale - +2 hrs.
→ 95. Posted by: JT at May 17, 2007 1:04 PMJust another thought, I know the were far out in the Ocean when they found the Hatch but could it be possible that the Others have surveillance of the Lost camp from this station and they can report it back to Ben.
What happen to Paulikkis Walky-Talky maybe they could over hear them?
GRAA Mac,
It only took them three years to do it, but the Happy Beach Fun Time Gang is finally starting to talk about stuff.
All Hail the Return of Rose and Bernard! I can't be the only who thought when Rose said to Bernard, "Let's get you into something dark…" that there may have been a little sexual innuendo there.
And I can't help but think our new Other friend Ryan Price, who gets introduced one week before the season finale, is anything but a redshirt.
Anyone else see a parallel between Charlie's shagging the "...two birds from row two…" and then getting captured by two women in the Looking Glass?
And all while "John Locke's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, But his soul goes marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah, Glory, glory, hallelujah, …"
→ 97. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 17, 2007 1:05 PMAlpert was upset Locke didn't make it back. I think he was relying on Locke's don't-tell-me-what-to-do-ness to overthrow Ben. No one else seems willing to step up against Ben.
The Others search for Karl? Why would they care? He's apparently useless and brainwashed. His survival skills are that Alex likes to make a nice rabbit stew.
@Cecil Rose--Imagine if one of the Baha Men (We get it. You don't know who let the dogs out.) died in a plane crash. There is that segment of the population who would run out and buy anything Baha Men. The record companies would shove out a greatest hits disc ASAP to cash in on the phenomenon. 3 months is too quick? 3 weeks is too short.
→ 98. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 17, 2007 1:07 PMI think this ep downplayed Sawyer and ignored Locke on purpose because they'll have big roles in the finale. Locke still has a purpose to serve in all this, and you can bet it won't be from inside that pit. As for Sawyer, he hates the Others more than anyone else, and he's a lil unhinged right now.
Anyone else remember "You and me ain't done, Zeke."?
Friendly/Tom is screwed.
#38-Shannon
You are absolutely corect on the Charlie-can't-swim comment. Early in Season 1 when the young lady gets pulled out to sea during a morning swim, Charlie comes running for Jack to go rescue her (Jack eventually rescues a semi-drowned Boone, who was attempting his own ill-fated rescue attempt of this woman). As Jack plunges into the surf, Charlie lets out an exasperated sigh, saying "I can't swim." I thought this was interesting when I re-watched Season 1 DVDs with my kids recently, because it came after the episode where Desmond tells Charlie that he drowned trying to save Claire. 50 episode apart, yet the writers tied in Charlie's lack of swimming ability to the Desmond-Charlie death flashes.
#55-Christine
You are dead-on about the motivations for Desmond and Charlie in regards to the "find-the-underwater-hatch, look-for-the-yellow-flashing-light, flip-the-switch, drown-peacefully" vision Desmond had earlier. They have abandoned the "logical-thinking" portion of their brain and are fully committed to following the vision to the last detail. Drowning noblely = Claire/Turniphead's rescue.
Let me toss this out there for what it is worth...what if Desmond's vision of Charlie throwing the switch is not supposed to occur today? Does Desmond really know EXACTLY when these visions are supposed to take place, other than at "some time in the future?" What if Charlie is destined to throw that switch in a room with a flashing yellow light during Season 6, Episode 16? Charlie still dies a noble death, the rescue choppers arive, and all of us sit around talking about the brilliance of the writers pre-planning this dramatic exit of Charlie's character more than 3 seasons before.
→ 100. Posted by: Wade at May 17, 2007 1:08 PMJust want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode
→ 101. Posted by: Flori at May 17, 2007 1:09 PM@67&43:
Juliet is still on Ben's payroll. Back in Bensylvania, when Ben made her repeat her instructions; one was that if she is outed she would fess up and tell them the truth/the whole story of what she was doing...which is what she has done and what we are all being suckered into thinking has proven that she is now a good guy. She is carrying out her instructions still!!!!!
@Cecil R... I think the same recap show airs tonight and re-runs before the finale next week... And I don't recall the details, but I think we've seen Charlie & brother using heroin together in a flashback. Brother was a bad influence I think.
→ 103. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 1:19 PMRegarding the two women in the Looking Glass Station, they are being labeled as Bonnie (the blond one who to me appears to be Annie with Richard Alpert type aging) and Greta (the brunette who looks like Colleen - the one Sun shot aboard Desi's boat). You can see the pics on Lostpedia.
→ 104. Posted by: Gitmo at May 17, 2007 1:19 PMDextor Stratton. Is that Charlie's last name? Anybody think that name might have some meaning other than their band was named after him?
Maybe I'm looking too deep, but I found it odd that they mentioned him in that little piece of flashback.
→ 105. Posted by: ANTP? at May 17, 2007 1:21 PMDoes anybody else not totally trust Naomi, helicopter girl?
→ 106. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 1:21 PMWouldn't Desmond have had to be with Charlie to see the yellow blinking switch in his Desmonition? Can he see flashes of what other people have seen, or only what he personally witnessed? If he does have to be there, has Charlie screwed it up by not letting Desmond go with him? Or was Desmond's vision actually of his own death while flipping the switch and decided to have Charlie take his place?
→ 107. Posted by: curious at May 17, 2007 1:24 PMObviously Ben has issues with pregnant women. His mother died when he was born. Now women on the Island can't have children. Is that Ben projecting that because if his anger and his connection with the island. But now, maybe Ben is losing that connection and he wants to gather all the pregnant women to test his theory. That is why he want to kidnap all the pregnant women.
Loch will be back soon to help.
The women on the Looking Glass are not envolved with Nadia.
There was no wreckage in the water when Charlie swam down. But good thing the hatch was not flooded b/c Charlie had no more air to get to the switch and turn it.
And Mac, my guess is that they did not re-create the fusulage scene. They just filmed that back when they did the beach scene.
Thanks for the re-cap
→ 108. Posted by: James at May 17, 2007 1:27 PMI believe 'Looking Glass' and 'Wonderland' are separate stories, though you often find them published together in one volume.
Also if I remember correctly, the white rabbit appears in both: in 'Wonderland' he's the reason that Alice arrives in Wonderland, while in 'Looking Glass', Alice arrives by going through a mirror.
Interesting note (and this was something I read elsewhere) - 'Looking Glass' prominently features a game of Chess in which Alice and other characters are the pieces - is this another clever allusion to the idea of 'light and dark'?
Did anybody notice that on the side of Charlie's guitar it says "I WAS HERE MOMENTS AGO" ? This seen when he was placing his guitar in it's case on the street. Strange. Maybe somehow he is sending hiself clues from another time??
Also, the tag on the band's van spelled backwards spells "LOTTERY"
just fyi:)
→ 110. Posted by: Scott at May 17, 2007 1:30 PMSorry for the muliposts. Problems w/my connection
→ 111. Posted by: Scott at May 17, 2007 1:33 PMThe second woman in the looking glass - the one who wasn't shown in the closeup is the woman that Sawyer conned and the one that helped Kate.
→ 112. Posted by: NV at May 17, 2007 1:34 PM@#105/ANTP?
Charlie's last name is Pace ... the ring came from his maternal grandfather or great-grandfather, hence the difference in the last names.
I definitely will be on the look out for characters with the last name "Stratton" in the future.
→ 113. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 1:38 PMI think jack tells russo she can't stay and fight the others cause she would see ben and vice-versa , ben would get all goopy eyed & the whole thing would fall apart....They are connected some how. ben& Russo.
→ 114. Posted by: T -spoon at May 17, 2007 1:39 PM@CC/102 - But that still allows Juliet to follow her own agenda. She's trying to be a free agent. She knows Ben is only out for himself and will only protect her as long as it benefits him.
→ 115. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 1:40 PMMac, I think you missed Charlie's real pickup line... Before he asked if this was her first plane crash, as he offered her his blanket, she initially refused and said surely he needed it. But he came back with "Nah... you're warming for two"!
→ 116. Posted by: Buck41 at May 17, 2007 1:48 PMOkay, I read through all the comments and I didn't see this one:
Does anyone else have a problem with the Looking Glass "Jamming" the signals? How did Hurley's buddy from the asylum get the numbers from his ship off the coast of the island if the broadcast has been jammed by the others?
Just wondering
→ 117. Posted by: Kevin at May 17, 2007 1:48 PMhelecopter girls uniform did look like the ones the little mermaids had on in the under sea hatch,could of all been a set up,underwater hatch making helecopter sounds and lights and next thing you know girl in tree.there is supose to be a LOST answers show on tonight after grays anatamy finale
→ 118. Posted by: bigdogjoe at May 17, 2007 1:49 PMto 106
There really is no reason to trust Juliette or Naomi (Tree Girl). Both of them are highly suspicious. Actually so is Russeu (sp) Haven't trusted her since the netting of Ben.
Ruined the finale for myself by looking at all the different previews. It's not too hard too guess now just what will happen. The only thing thing not known is just who betrayed the Losties
Hey Hey MAC - Awesome Recap Brotha ! ! !
Loved the ep. It inspired sympathy for a character that I haven't been able to tolerate. At the end of the ep, as he stood on the outrigger, getting ready to jump in the water, I actually thought to myself, 'you go boy - you da man'. Come to think of it what Charlie did, or rather intended to do, has to be the some selfless act since the show began. He is willing to sacrifice himself for the 'family' he found on the island, Claire and Aaron. In my book that puts the lil hobbit back on my A list.
Mac: I wondered the same thing about the third shooter, then I remembered that it has to be Jin, he served time in the military so he would have experience with rifles and shooting.
→ 120. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 17, 2007 1:56 PMUh... if it WAS an electric cable and they cut it with a metal ax, they would be electrocuted, right? Seems a fine reason not to do it to me. :)
→ 121. Posted by: The Duf at May 17, 2007 1:57 PMAgree with your observation, mac. Those were Ben's 'buggiest' bug-eyes, yet!
→ 122. Posted by: JT at May 17, 2007 2:00 PM@ransomjackson#97
I totally thought the same thing when Rose said that to Bernard. I elbowed my husband and said "ooh, that was a little dirty". I'm glad I'm not the only one.
121)
But some dynamite would have done the trick. I think Sayid said something about it being a cable "anchoring" it to the island. That wouldn't make sense, but I have to think that if the Lost group thought it was the power cable, they would have just destroyed it.
→ 124. Posted by: kevin at May 17, 2007 2:02 PM@100 Wade said:
>As Jack plunges into the surf, Charlie lets out an exasperated sigh, saying "I can't swim."
As we say over on my blog, courtesy of Dr. House: "Everybody lies."
O---------
@121 The Duf said:
>Uh... if it WAS an electric cable and they cut it with a metal ax, they would be electrocuted, right? Seems a fine reason not to do it to me. :)
Metal axes have wooden handles.
uh..I know time is running out now but why not use Karl's boat to head out to sea? Kate and Sawyer rode back in it, why didnt they immediately take off and get help like they were going to do when they built the boat in season 1. just wondering.
→ 126. Posted by: Jr at May 17, 2007 2:07 PM@luvlost... I feel ya. Even the short previews seem to be too much of a spoiler.
→ 127. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 2:08 PM***NOT A SPOILER***
OMG...I just had a horrible idea...
What if Charlie, by flooding the Looking Glass, somehow triggers the Dec of 06 tsunami?
Would the writers go there? Or is that just too far out there?
***END OF NOT A SPOILER***
→ 128. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 17, 2007 2:12 PMGRAA Mac!
I completely agree that Jack & Rousseau wasted perfectly good dynamite on a tree. I guess it was an excuse for the producers to get one explosion into this episode.
Charlie almost made you forget his transgressions with his selfless act. I was touched when he was brought to tears on the outrigger just before diving in the water to go to the Looking Glass station. I thought he might drown right after getting in the water. Way to compose yourself Charlie!
Line of the night (after Carl arrives at the Losties' camp):
Carl: "She's a spy!"
Juliette: "They know Carl...but thanks for that."
And hello sexy, gun-toting occupants of the Looking Glass! Has Charlie actually arrived at the Castle Anthrax? Will the spanking be followed by the oral sex? And oh yeah, have you seen a switch with a yellow light over it?
→ 129. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 17, 2007 2:15 PM@128
The tsunami was not in 2006.
@128
Can't be the tsunami because at this point in time, they are in late 2004 still.
Only about 90 days have passed since they crashed on the island.
→ 131. Posted by: MIchael at May 17, 2007 2:19 PMSorry...typo...should have been 04.
Thanks.
→ 132. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 17, 2007 2:20 PMBen's Birthday is 12/22. The tsunami was on 12/26. It is a highly probably theory that Charlie flipping the switch could cause the tsunami. I doubt that is the case, but it could happen. The bulk of the camp is moving toward higher ground, so a tsunami could be in the future for LOST Island. The tsunami may allow Charlie to escape the Looking Glass as well.
→ 133. Posted by: onelostdude at May 17, 2007 2:30 PM129)
Why wouldn't Charlie still be able to hit the switch in the finale? I would have been surprised if he had done it last night. I expect the switch he hits will flood the station, insuring his demise.
→ 134. Posted by: kevin at May 17, 2007 2:31 PMFor those waiting for Locke to be rescued, keep in mind that Rousseau has been with our Losties, so she's not likely to be involved. But Alex (and Richard Alpert) both seem concerned that Locke did not return with Ben, and their whereabouts during this time period are still unknown.
→ 135. Posted by: Buck41 at May 17, 2007 2:32 PMI froze the screen for nexts weeks preview and I could swear it is Locke behind Syiad, Bernard and Jin when they are captured.
I think Locke comes up to the Others that have them captured and saves the tri-dynamite guys.
→ 136. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 17, 2007 2:37 PMloved the line "testify sayid"!
I think Juliet marking the tents is a total giveaway. she was supposed to mark them a day later. either that or the big trail the losties are going to leave is going let others know losties plan.
I thought the whole ben+alex+gun thing was wiered. Alex usually uses her slingshot and not a gun. so it is kind of unusual for her to give the gun to Locke, that too in-front of Ben. Now Ben is visibly pissed, but gives back the gun to Alex. why would you do that if you are pissed someone turning against you?
The episode where Mr.Eko died, he said something to Locke and he told the bystanders, "we are next". I remember seeing Nikki+Paulo, Sayid, Locke & Charlie. Nikki & Paulo are dead, Locke is shot and might die. now, Charlie is underwater and per Desmond he should die. Will it be Sayid's turn to die when the others come?
The problem with Desmond's current Flashes is that we did not see them; he only told us about them. When Des says he saw Claire and Aaron boarding a helicopter, it is Charlie who assumes they are being rescued. (I thought it could be the Others transporting the women to another island). The most telling aspect of Desmond-Charlie portion of the ep was Desmond said he was supposed to replace Charlie. Why? Just like he replaced Radz in the hatch? As Claire's protector? It is like Dez is working his way up the island ladder (by taking someone else's position) under some ultimate vision of getting rescued. But someone must die in order for him to advance.
→ 138. Posted by: welh at May 17, 2007 2:46 PMIs there a problem with the site--seems like there are a lot more accidental double postings than normal. We should have no trouble beating last weeks record total # of postings!
I still think Charlie will die. He'll flip the switch as the station is filling with water and he will drown. Des and he just assumed it would be immediate because they had heard the station was already flooded.
→ 139. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 17, 2007 2:55 PM
@97 I can't be the only
who thought when Rose said to Bernard, "Let's get you into
something dark…" that there may have been a little sexual innuendo there
Hilarious!!
→ 140. Posted by: T at May 17, 2007 2:56 PM@Alex (Not Rousseau)/129 - "And oh yeah, have you seen a switch with a yellow light over it?"
We've already got one! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
→ 141. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 3:00 PMGRAA Mac,
Next week is going to rock with the Finale for both Heroes and Lost. I can't wait - I really can't, especially for LOST. My Tivo crapped out the last two minutes and I didn't get to see the Looking Glass at all - sux
I love how in the beginning Charlie again brings up that there's all these secrets and no one puts things in the open. Later in the episode when they talk about hiking to the radio tower Claire exclaims, "Radio Tower?"
Anyways next week and then siesta.
Favorite MACism : "It's just indigestion brutha!"
→ 142. Posted by: callaway76 at May 17, 2007 3:02 PManyone else think that the dark-haired woman in the looking glass looked like sawyer's ex and kate's helper?
→ 143. Posted by: Mike L at May 17, 2007 3:10 PMJust a quick note to say that I went into Night & Day on Oldham Street in Manchester (where Driveshaft played) today, and told the bemused barman that they had to tape Lost on Sunday night on Sky One!
→ 144. Posted by: Danny at May 17, 2007 3:12 PMMy first thought of the two women in the Looking Glass were "are they from the second row" groupies?
→ 145. Posted by: welh at May 17, 2007 3:13 PM(now i need to figure out whether or not we've seen cindy on dry land since the locke bombed the sub)
→ 41. Posted by: amanda
I believe we saw Cindy when Locke's dad was tied up to the big post and Locke was supposed to kill him. A lot of the Others came out of their tents and I thought it paused on Cindy. Could be wrong, I'm going from memory.
→ 146. Posted by: GFish at May 17, 2007 3:14 PMDanny, I don't quite understand your post.
→ 147. Posted by: ANTP? at May 17, 2007 3:16 PM@45 and Mac:
Doesnt locke drop the gun when "jacob" starts to rumble the shack??? Remember all mighty Locke made a run for it. he might've dropped it then no?
Also the way Benry comes back to Bennsylvannia is like a Viking telling his people they will pillage maim and destroy everything in their path. It was hilarious. He looked so "mean and scary" hahahaha.
Does anyone else notice how hot Alex is???
There is no way in hell that woman is Benry's daughter. She's cool and sexy whereas Benry is ugly and a weirdo.
Drifted there for a second. Sorry.
Is charlie really going to get wacked in this show?? I know he's pretty useless and all but he's kindda grown on us. I was pretty much on the edge of my seat waiting for his death last night, when he comes up to breath was quite a surprise and kindda relief and then the women with guns come. el crap-o charlie! I guess now he HAS to go huh?
1- Karl had to row to Lost Island - therefore Ben and his crew would not have heard the explosion.
2 - Did we forget that Bensylvania is on the OTHER island (but I don't understand why they seem to be moving / hiding all the time)
3 - I love MAC and everyone's comments - keep 'em coming. Thanks.
@ANTP? Charlie told Naomi that his band played the Night & Day and she knew where it was because they're both from Manchester.
→ 150. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 17, 2007 3:23 PMI liked this ep., even if it was *filler* and before I forget, a big Shout Out to Mac for all of his great reviews, sure am going to miss them and this show over the summer.
Now, down to business: The cable struck me as very strange. In earlier eps, it was clearly exposed, twisted metal. In other words, it was a cable. In this ep, it looked like a black garden hose and, based upon the ease of keeping it over the outrigger, very light. Why would it be different? More importantly, if it is a hose, perhaps it is not a power source but a source of air/oxygen for the Looking Glass. Second, where is the other end (the Island based one)? Is it tethered to something? Why didn't they look/find it?
The Looking Glass: The collection was Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The first (sometimes called Alice in Wonderland) was a story about a girl named Alice, who runs after a rabbit goes down the rabbit hole and has a series of adventures. Alice has actually fallen asleep at a picnic and essentially the story is a card game. The second story, Through the Looking Glass, is where Alice again following the Rabbit goes through the mirror and has a second series of adventures. This story is a chess match.
I thought is was *very* interesting that the Looking Glass station was guarded by women, when the other hatches were guarded by men. I am sure this is important and we will eventually find out why. I think they are Dharma--in khaki suits.
Doesn't Hurley's imaginary friend Dave have the initials DS?
Locke is not dead and Ben is clearly worried about his grip on the Others. He knows he needs to act quickly, which is why he made up the *Jacob said* nonsense. BTW, Richard seemed alarmed that Locke didn't return.
→ 151. Posted by: boharpe at May 17, 2007 3:24 PM@149
I assumed that Karl used the outrigger to save time - that he could row around to the Losties camp faster than the team could get through the jungle.
→ 152. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 3:25 PM***Possible Spoiler***
I tried to post this, but it had a link in it, so I don't know, but I was checking lost media and looking at the pictures from the preview for next weeks episode and thought I saw Jack's dad (he looks more like he did in 24) in the following picture:
tinyurl*com/2rr6m8
Does anyone else see the resemblance?
***End Potential Spoiler***
Where did all this tsunami nonsense come from in the first place?
→ 154. Posted by: markthefish at May 17, 2007 3:31 PMA coworker of mine made an interesting point. If Juliet knew about the looking glass station, why didn't she know that people were down there? I still think she has something sneaky planned.
→ 155. Posted by: Jim at May 17, 2007 3:33 PM@ Tiff/149: Bennsylvania, IS on our Island, NOT on Alcatraz.
@Boharpe/151: Sayid did once follow the cable inland- after awhile it became buried and he could no longer follow it. This is the epiode where he first meets Russeau.
As far as it's ambiguous weight and purpose... who knows : )
@ 154
They're referencing the tsunami that hit on Dec 26th 2004.
The creators of Lost mentioned in a recent interview that the tsunami might be featured in a future episode.
If the losties have been on the island for 90-91 days, then it is Dec 23, 2004 on the island.
→ 157. Posted by: Josh at May 17, 2007 3:34 PM@ 154
They're referencing the tsunami that hit on Dec 26th 2004.
The creators of Lost mentioned in a recent interview that the tsunami might be featured in a future episode.
If the losties have been on the island for 90-91 days, then it is Dec 23, 2004 on the island. Also Ben's birthday is Dec 22. Last night's episode happened the day after Ben's birthday, making it the 23rd of Dec
→ 158. Posted by: Josh at May 17, 2007 3:35 PMim not a big poster on these blogs but i have to say that the one thing that i look forward to every thursday at work is reading Key Points From ... the only disappointment in reading it is getting to the ending. the reviews are so well thought out and very humorous. i thank you very much MAC for giving me something to get me through thursdays!!!
→ 159. Posted by: LockesLeftKidney at May 17, 2007 3:37 PM@Hurling72
I think I see an "alien"! White, with two big black eyes, and little dot for nose/mouth.
→ 160. Posted by: Len at May 17, 2007 3:40 PM@121, @125
Do they even have an axe? I haven't kept an inventory of their tools.
WGNABA - We're gonna need a bigger axe
→ 161. Posted by: gk at May 17, 2007 3:42 PMHow awesome would it be in Michael and Walt come back in the finale? I think it would round out the season nicely. There still hasn't been any follow up to what happened to them since the beginning of the season. I'm not sure how they'd tie it in though - maybe Walt will save Locke! Haha :)
→ 162. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 3:44 PMIf Locke was around he probably would have chewed through the cable to keep them from getting off the island...
→ 163. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 3:45 PMI'm having issues with Naomi. She keeps talking about the plane crash as if it is ancient history... it was only 90 days ago! And I also thought it was odd that Drive Shaft could have gotten a new album out so quickly as well. And when Sayid saw the Sat Phone, he mentioned it was technology more advanced that anything he'd had experience with.
Now, I am not a fan of the Time Travel theory, but between Desmond's flashes and the fact that it seems Naomi is from the Losties Future, and Alpert's inability to age, I can't help but think this is a valid plot assumption.
Any other clues I missed that could lead to a similar theory?
→ 164. Posted by: sarah c at May 17, 2007 3:46 PMWhat's with all the double/triple posts?
→ 165. Posted by: Len at May 17, 2007 3:47 PMAny other clues I missed that could lead to a similar theory?
→ 164. Posted by: sarah c
How about Mittelos being an anagram for Lost Time?
And the backwards message that said "only fools are enslaved by Time and Space." from Karl's brainwashing.
→ 166. Posted by: GFish at May 17, 2007 3:51 PM@ 165
Sorry bout that. wanted to add something to my original point and accidently double clicked the post button
→ 167. Posted by: Josh at May 17, 2007 3:51 PM@164 Sarah
90 Days is no time to get a greatest hits album out and you can be sure that in real life, there are people out there who will capitalize on the death of a rock star by releasing stuff ASAP. It's happened before..you want to get the sympathy purchase dollars right away and hence release that stuff immediately. Nothing at all unusual about that.
My take on Sayid's comment about the phone was that generally speaking, when one thinks of the weapons and equipment that a middle eastern country's military forces have access to, you think of used equipment from the former Soviet Union or old stuff they picked up through the black market. That's the stereoptypical thought.
That phone came from a Widmore financed operation and as such, I'm sure the producers wanted to convey that this was a state of the art search operation with a lot of dollars invested in it.
Okay, the bad thing about being out here is when I wake up on Thursday there are already 100 posts, and no doubt there are more being posted as I craft this, so sorry if someone has said somehitng in the mean time that I end up repeating!
Great review Mac! I think you were right on about the restraint the writers used in the goodbye kiss. I know this is just a "filler" episode is some eyes, but it was actually one of my favorite hours of Lost. Charlie doing his ode to Nick Horsnby's "High Fidelity" (Top five greatest moments that don't involve heroin addiction!), and all five scenes as the flashbacks were well done. The goodbye scenes with Claire, Hurley and Desmond were all pitch perfect. Rose and Jack's moment was great, so was Jin confronting Sun about what the tape said (and her lying response to spare him anxiety over her kidnap/death by pregnancy). Sayid is back as the mastermind (and so was Nadia in a coinky dink I didn't expect!). One of my favorite moments of the night was Alex skinning the bunny, and Ben hands her back her gun. In one brief scene he lets her know she failed, that he's on to her, and she LITERALLY has blood on her hands. Can not WAIT until next week!
@Joss/1
Congrats on being first, but, um...
"Great review as always Mac! You're the best and I'm looking forward to another summer without your thoughts..."
HUH?!?
@Don/2 Maybe the implant was a one use type of thing? Or am I too blinded by the hope of Juliet's goodness?
@Toni/8
"Great Review (as usual) So the question I have is did Desmond "know" that Charlie wasn't going to be able to flip the switch and die so easily?"
Exactly what I was thinking! Maybe Des knows the station is filled with beautiful women. He sent Charlie in cause Des is committed to the Penster, and wanted to hook a single brother up. But once he reads Charlie's "Greatest Hits", he knows Charlie would be too blinded by love for Claire to take "advantage" of the situation, so figures, "What the heck? No use letting hot StarGate Atlantis chicks go to waste!" Of course, a swiftly swung oar leaves him only dreaming of the possibilities!
@Sam/10
No, you are not first.
@ac/36
You're responding to post 37, bit you are post 36? Are you having Desmonitions of your own? Ben was left alone in the house by Locke once Locke ran out the dorr, Jacob COULD have given Ben instructions then. But I doubt he did, I'm in the camp that Ben is making it all up to suit his own agenda.
@Amanda/41
Um, we've seen Cindy a bunch of times since Locke "blew up" the sub. Locke helps her set up her tent. She watches with the children as Locke fails to kill his dad.
@T-Spoon/54
Under your theory, exactly when did Annie change her name to Danielle and start speaking in a French accent? I've heard of Long Cons, but come on!
@Andrew/65 (and 68 and 69)
Yes, they are both from Manx, but Charlie is playing in London. His list says he is outside of Covent Garden when the lady calls him a hero.
@Cecil Rose/75
@Jenna/78
The clip show is tonight. It appears to re-air next wednesday at 8 (unless there are TWO clip shows). The two hour finale is next week at 9. "She's my daughter AND my sister!"
Quick shout-out to a few new and cool handles on the blog: katespanties, Shannon...But I don't date my Brother, and Deep Diver. Very nice!
Couple thoughts/points:
@ mac: solid recap today! much appreciated. but...I have to say...I was so disappointed that you kept writing 'future-flashes' instead of Des-monitions. I'm sure you did it cause Charlie kept saying it in the ep. I'll let it slide...until next week when we get to actually see the full Des-monition w/ pictures and all. No way Des told Charlie the whole story, no way.
-My first thought on the dude that robbed Nadia was that it was Liam when he was on drugs, at his worst struggling.
Junior Swim Champ: There's been a ton of talk about how Jack already knew that Charlie couldn't swim. I agree. But how 'bout the fact that Juliette also knew that Charlie couldn't swim-a-lick as well. The Others had files on all of the Losties with the information that was gathered in The Flame station. I'm sure that Juliette studied-up before she went to the beach. I noticed that Juliette's head popped-up a lil bit when Charlie said he was Champ and could hold his breath for 4mins. She and Jack knew he was lying. Soooooooo what does this mean? We may eventually get to see the double-cross shimmy-dimmy-doo coming up.
Ben with gun to shoot Locke: I thought Locke took off everything relating to technology before entering Jacob's love-shack? Including his gun.
Looking Glass Station: Horrid theory but what the heck. QUARANTINE has been seen on the island. What if Ben set up a controlled living experiment on his own in the Looking Glass after the Purge? He was 'one of the smart ones' and maybe he sparred a few hot chicks and said "You wanna live? You wanna ever have a baby? Well get-to-swimmin'!" and they've been living down there ever since. If they are not living on the island, they are not directly exposed to the 'virus' causing women to fail with their pregnancies. Ben tells everyone the station has been flooded so nobody investigates. Even Jules doesn't know.
@ Christine/#55: Awesome theory about the chicks in the Looking Glass being with Naomi. But may I add this....Naomi is pro'ly not telling us the whole truth some suspect. What if she wasn't in a helicopter (ejection speculation applies) but in a plane. The plane flies over, she jumps out w/ her parachute, a mini-sub is also dropped into the water to go directly to the Looking Glass. Everyone thinks that it was Naomi's busted helicopter that fell into the ocean but nobody saw it (I think Jack may have questioned this an ep or 2 back). That could explain how they got down there (by using blow-hole under station) and why they were so freaked out when Charlie arrived.
2nd to lastly: Anyone wanna bet next weeks ep begins with an eyeball shot of Locke?
And lastly: Was it just me, or did one of the birds Charlie bagged look a little like Cindy or what!?!?
→ 170. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 17, 2007 4:09 PMas always mac great great recap.
i believe juliette is playing both sides and that jack knows this and is using that to his/losties advantage.
jack still gets on my nerves and probably always will. charlie is annoying but he grows on you so cant help but root for him.
very curious as to who dimes out the losties, when we find this out will this person be the mole that has long been predicted to be amongst the group?
very muck looking forward to the two hour finale. :)
→ 171. Posted by: tiffani at May 17, 2007 4:10 PMMaybe the whole Cindy thing is Lost's version of where's waldo, kinda like it was done with a superman reference in every episode of Seinfeld?
→ 172. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 17, 2007 4:13 PMGRAA, Mac!
I guess the producers found a way to deal with the "I can't swim" statement from Charlie in season one. Perhaps he was trying to protect his drug stash from getting wet. One thing I did notice is that the Looking Glass Hatch is located near the site where Naomi's heli landed in the water. I hope that next week's finale gives us some answers about her. And I know, I could check out spoiler sites BUT I want my season finale to be as shocking as possible.
→ 173. Posted by: amelia at May 17, 2007 4:15 PMGRAA, Mac!
I guess the producers found a way to deal with the "I can't swim" statement from Charlie in season one. Perhaps he was trying to protect his drug stash from getting wet. One thing I did notice is that the Looking Glass Hatch is located near the site where Naomi's heli landed in the water. I hope that next week's finale gives us some answers about her. And I know, I could check out spoiler sites BUT I want my season finale to be as shocking as possible.
→ 174. Posted by: amelia at May 17, 2007 4:16 PMGRAA, Mac!
I guess the producers found a way to deal with the "I can't swim" statement from Charlie in season one. Perhaps he was trying to protect his drug stash from getting wet. One thing I did notice is that the Looking Glass Hatch is located near the site where Naomi's heli landed in the water. I hope that next week's finale gives us some answers about her. And I know, I could check out spoiler sites BUT I want my season finale to be as shocking as possible.
Great review as always Mac! You're the best and I'm looking forward to another summer without your thoughts...
→ 1. Posted by: joss at May 17, 2007 11:06 AM