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Key Points from "Greatest Hits"

Season 3, Episode 21
Episode Air Date: 05/16/07

Point 1
Charlie

Desmond
The build-up to Charlie's "death" has been one of the most bizarre TV scenarios I've ever encountered. Dominic Monaghan was featured prominently in "Lost's" early marketing material -- "Lord of the Rings" made him notable -- but here we are, three years later, snared in a "future-flash" storytelling device that actually encourages the audience to anticipate a once-major-character's death. I never could have seen that coming, yet, I'm now going to feel cheated if Charlie doesn't die. Does that seem odd to anyone else or am I overanalyzing things again?

Anyway, let's get recappin'.

This is a scene-setting episode, which has to be a huge pain in the butt for writers to whip up because most of them -- like us -- are far more interested in the season finale. But write they must, and as scene-setters go, this is a useful little show.

The Charlie portion of "Greatest Hits" follows our intrepid bassist and part-time heroin junkie through his last few hours on the island ... or so we're led to believe.

It all begins when Desmond experiences a future flash early in the episode. His brow furrows and his Mask of False Concern descends. Charlie is now an expert at diagnosing these future-flash symptoms, so he immediately asks Des to fill him in on the latest message from the beyond. But Des is apprehensive and feigns ignorance: "It was just indigestion, brotha."

Ah, but Charlie is a dogged pursuer of the truth, especially when that truth offers grisly details of his upcoming demise. Later in the day, he gets Desmond to spill the beans.

You'll recall that the first couple future-flashes suggested that Charlie would meet an accidental fate (slipping on a rock, getting electrocuted by Zeus' thunderbolt), but in "Catch-22," Desmond's future flashes -- and Charlie's death -- started to tie into a larger rescue scenario. As we witnessed, Des wasn't able to initially let the future take its course, but in "Greatest Hits," the future sweetens its rescue pot: Desmond says Claire and Aaron will be rescued if Charlie drowns.

The prospect of beloved Claire and little Turnip Head making it off the island inspires Charlie. For the first time, he's willing to visit the great Hatch in the Sky ("The Pearly Gate"). The drowning bit isn't all that exciting, but Des says this latest future-flash involves an underwater structure, a blinking yellow light, a switch that needs to be flipped and Charlie's subsequent death. If things play out in that order, Claire and Aaron will be scooped up by a helicopter at some point in the future. (The helicopter will promptly crash and kill everyone on board ... but Des doesn't mention that last bit).

A secondary plotline (Key Point 3) just happens to correspond with Desmond's latest future-flash. Juliet has informed Jack and Sayid that an underwater hatch, dubbed the Looking Glass (natch), is set up to block outgoing communication signals. Professor Sayid concludes that if someone can disable the Looking Glass, he'll be able to use Naomi's radio phone to signal her ship. Problem is, Juliet doesn't know how to find the Looking Glass and she's been told that it was flooded years ago.

Charlie strolls by at this exact moment (what are the chances?) and promptly volunteers for diving duty. Jack initially denies Charlie's request, but Charlie turns to the always reliable Shelley Winters defense: "I was junior swim champion ... I can hold my breath for four minutes!"

Inexplicably, this changes Jack's mind and he approves the mission.

With the die cast, Charlie spends some quality time with Claire and Aaron. He whispers I love you to Aaron (Aaron responds by honking his Hobbit schnoz), then he makes Claire promise she won't worry while he's gone (she doesn't realize "gone" can be a long, long time). The two share a kiss and then Charlie shuffles off to fill his lungs with ocean water.

Sidenote: If this proves to be Charlie and Claire's final moment, the writers deserve credit for showing romantic restraint. Remember, Charlie and Claire have only known each other for 90 days, and during that time their flirtation has been interrupted by Charlie's heroin addition, his detoxification, his lying, his involvement in Sun's abduction, his temporary ostracism from the camp, and that whole hatch blowing up thing. When, exactly, would these two have forged the bonds that could justify a full-fledged love scene? It wouldn't make sense (e.g. Sayid and Shannon), especially since Aaron is perched nearby and it's the middle of the friggin' day.

Or maybe parenthood has made me prudish. Moving on ...

With the unrequited goodbye out of the way, Charlie joins Desmond down by the water to finalize their plans and organize their newly acquired outrigger canoe (the boat is courtesy of Karl, who makes a surprise appearance early in the episode -- more on that later).

Just before they shove off, Hurley arrives and says he'd like to accompany them because he's tired of "trekking and explosions." Charlie knows Hurley possesses an uncanny ability to change minds through kindness and niceness, and he also knows that mind-changing could, in this situation, have catastrophic consequences. So he insults Hurley's size ("you can't fit in the boat") and Hurley walks off, wounded by his friend's cruel words.

But Charlie knows this might be the last time he sees his burly buddy, so he rushes after him and the two embrace and Charlie gets all mushy. He tells Hurley he loves him and Hurley scoffs a little, but says he loves Charlie, too. Satisfied, Hurley leaves and Charlie returns to the outrigger.

Charlie and Des use the boat to paddle toward the isolated stretch of beach where that long, mysterious cable is buried. The cable, which first appeared at the beginning of season one, is about to become very important. Earlier in this episode, Sayid uses the schematics he stole from the Flame ("Enter 77") to determine that the Mystery Cable supplies power to Dharma's underwater Looking Glass station. Follow the cable, Sayid says, and you'll find the station.

And that's exactly what Charlie and Des do. They lift the cable off the beach, dangle it over the outrigger, then pull themselves along it. Out and out they go .. and then it stops. Desmond looks down. There, deep beneath them, is a metal structure that's lit from within.

This is the moment of truth, and Charlie knows it. He hands Desmond a sheet of paper and asks him to give it Claire. The sheet contains the top 5 "greatest hits" from Charlie's life (Key Point 2). Desmond is a big softie, so he's touched by Charlie's list. He's so touched, he slips into temporary idiocy and volunteers to take Charlie's place on the suicide mission (uh, Des?). Charlie quietly accepts Desmond's offer and for a brief moment it actually looks like Desmond will perform the heroic dive.

But Desmond momentarily shifts his gaze to the back of the boat and Charlie wacks him with an oar. Des falls to the floor of the outrigger, unconscious. Charlie tucks his top 5 list into Desmond's shirt pocket, then grabs a nearby weight belt and dives into the water.

Down and down he goes, passing Dharma sharks and a school of Spiny DeGroot Trout (a rare site in these waters). Bubbles pop from the sides of his mouth as he struggles toward the Looking Glass. He reaches the structure and swims between pylons, desperately kicking toward a moon pool (yes, it has one).

Closer ... closer ... almost there ...

Charlie reaches the pool and explodes from the water. He takes mighty sucks of oxygen. He made it!

Looking around, Charlie sees that the Looking Glass seems awfully well kept for a thought-to-be flooded Dharma station. The area around the moon pool is dry. The lights are on. If he didn't know better, he'd swear he was on the set of "The Abyss."

Charlie swims to a nearby ladder and hoists himself onto the deck. He can't believe how easy this is!

Yeah, about that easy thing ...

CREAAAAAAAK

Charlie spins at the sound of a heavy metal door opening.

Footsteps!

Two women, both carrying guns, run into the moon pool area. Charlie moves back. The Looking Glass was supposed to be empty!

And that's when it ends!

Point 2
Charlie This episode's backstory chronicles the top 5 greatest hits from Charlie's life (as per the previously noted list). There isn't much to it, save for a chance/gratuitous encounter with a peripheral character, but here goes:

#5: The first time he heard Driveshaft on the radio.

This one goes back to the early days of Driveshaft. The band is struggling to make ends meet and Charlie is ready to hang up his bass, but just as he's reached his breaking point, he and his bandmates here the dulcet tones of "You All Everybody" waft from the radio. The boys celebrate. Hookers and heroin are right around the corner.

#4: The first time he swam on his own.

We see Charlie as a little boy (7? 8?), standing on the edge of a community pool. His father is beckoning him to jump in, but lil' Chuckie is scared out of his mind. "Just jump on in," his father says. "I'll catch ya, I promise."

Tapping into heroic reserves he didn't know he had, little Charlie takes a might leap ... arcing high through the air, arms and moppy hair akimbo ...

SPLASH!

Daddy didn't catch him. But Charlie zips to the surface and yelps with glee. "I did it!"

Daddy is proud. Charlie is proud. At the other end of the pool, a four-year-old takes a poop. (Community pools = gross).

#3: The day Liam gave him the family ring.

Number 3 occurs at the height of Driveshaft's success. Charlie's older brother, Liam, pops into Charlie's swank hotel room and plucks baby bro out of his groupie sandwich (Two girls? Not bloody likely).

Liam has a surprise for Charlie. He slides a ring off his finger and hands it over. The ring has two initials -- DS, short for Dexter Stratton, a relative of some sort. It's a family heirloom that's passed to the first male of each generation. Technically, Liam is the heir, but Liam knows his hard-partying ways are likely to get him killed before he's 30, so he wants Charlie to take the ring because, at this point in Driveshaft's career, Charlie is still drug-free.

Charlie accepts the ring.

Later, in the closing moments of the episode, we see that Charlie leaves the ring in Aaron's crib.

#2: The day he saved that completely random woman.

Charlie's most heroic moment occurred in a London alley. The scene at first appears to be a repeat of Desmond's Charlie encounter in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" -- Charlie is singing "Wonderwall" near a Tube station -- but Desmond doesn't appear in the scene, so it's likely Charlie brought his mediocre Oasis impersonation to the London populace on a regular basis.

On the way home from his "gig," Charlie see a woman being mugged in an alley. He charges in and fends off the mugger with his guitar case. Somehow, this works.

Charlie turns to check on the woman. Well, well, well, we meet again ... Nadia.

The woman is Sayid's long-lost love, but of course Charlie doesn't know that. Nor does he know that Nadia has a penchant for randomly popping up in backstories (she showed up in Locke's as well). She tells Charlie that he's a hero, and for a brief moment he feels awfully good about himself.

And that brings us to ...

#1: The night he met Claire.

We travel back to the halcyon days immediately after the crash of Oceanic 815. Night falls and survivors cluster around campfires built in the shadow of the fuselage.

Charlie spots Claire, who is very, very pregnant. He offers her a blanket, then sits down and unloads one of the best pick-up lines ever uttered.

"So, first plane crash?" he asks with a smile.

Claire immediately takes to him because, dammit, that's an excellent line. In the background, Evangeline Lilly seethes ("Back offa my man, Emilie").

The two exchange pleasantries and Charlie successfully allays Claire's fears about rescue. What she doesn't realize is that he's hopped up on smack and thinks he's talking to a pregnant Easter bunny. Nonetheless, it's a lovely moment.

And that's that with the backstory.

Point 3
Jack

Sayid

Rousseau hspace=

Juliet

Rose

Bernard

Kate
This episode's third plotline is a little screwy because it contains a single Other scene that's revealed in sorta-flashback form. It's an odd structure, especially since it didn't seem necessary.

Nonetheless, here's how things play out.

The Other scene is brief but vital. It shows Ben returning to New Bennsylyvania. His eyes are bulging like they've never bulged before because, moments ago, he drilled a bullet into Locke's chest and left him to die in the Dharma pit. Upon returning to camp, he's rabid with rage and power.

He hands his pistol back to Alex and it's clear from his demeanor that Alex was not an accomplice in some sort of "shoot Locke" plan (I initially thought Ben may have instructed Alex to give Locke the gun in "The Man Behind the Curtain" -- thereby allowing Ben to later use the gun against Locke -- but Ben's level of pissedoffedness suggests that Alex meant to help Locke and diss her dad).

Richard Alpert immediately grills Ben on Locke's whereabouts (he needs to know the location of the Others' once and future king at all times), and Ben says he had an "accident." Alpert is stunned because he knows Ben just did something very, very bad.

But Ben has something bigger and badder in store. He summons Ryan Pryce -- the Other henchman who took over for the recently departed Danny Pickett -- and tells him to organize a strike team. He wants to immediately storm the castaways' beach and grab all the women, not just the pregnant ones. Pryce says he can have a 10-person team ready to go by nightfall.

Alex overhears Ben and Pryce's conversation. She slips away and darts through the woods in search of Karl.

This is the weird part. Karl, who's been ostracized from the Others, has apparently been camping within a mile of the Others' location. Is he some sort of super-survivalist who can avoid Other detection?

Anyway, Alex tells Karl he needs to get to the beach camp and warn the castaways about the incursion. Karl is initially reticent to leave Alex, but she reminds him that Sawyer and Kate saved his life and now he owes them. She seals her order with a kiss and with that, Karl zips off to a hidden outrigger canoe.

Sidenote: In a bit of premeditated "mystery," the writers added a line to the Alex-Karl exchange where Alex randomly questions if Ben is actually her father. It's the sort of not-at-all-random dialog that suggests an Alex-Rousseau reunion may occur sooner than we expected.

It takes Karl a while to get to the canoe and paddle around the island. While we wait for him, let's visit the beach camps ...

Last week's beach events ended abruptly when Jack and Juliet arrived during a castaway town meeting. As this episode opens, we learn where Jack and Juliet were coming from ... and we also learn what Rousseau was doing with all that dynamite.

Early on in "Greatest Hits," Jack and Juliet lead the major characters (but none of the backgrounders) on a morning hike to a large, lush field. Upon arriving, Jack goes to the treeline and calls for Rousseau. She emerges, picking ticks from her scalp and licking her dirty paw. Without saying a word, she clears away a bundle of nearby brush and reveals a makeshift detonation station.

The castaways are impressed. They weren't expecting a pyrotechnic performance.

Jack uses this very dramatic opportunity to reveal his "master plan." He tells the assembled that Juliet came to him a few days ago and revealed the Others' "Operation: Knocked Up." At first, Jack wondered where the castaways could hide this time around, but then it struck him: it's time to stop hiding.

So he sought out Rousseau and over the ensuing days, Crazy Danielle has been stockpiling dynamite from the Black Rock (which solves the mini-mystery from "The Brig").

Jack motions toward Rousseau. She grabs two wires and touches them together.

BOOM!

An innocent mango tree is engulfed in a fireball. Castaways respond with scattered golf claps.

And this is when Jack morphs into Action Jackson. He says that Juliet is going to follow through with Ben's plan. She'll mark tents per Ben's instruction, but when the Others storm the tents, they'll find big bundles of unstable TNT.

"Tomorrow night when they show up ... we're gonna blow them all to hell," Jack says with a snarl.

It's a lovely plan, but there's just one hitch: the Others are already on their way.

After the TNT demonstration, the castaways return to camp to prepare for battle. Jack has a laser focus on Other destruction, but Sayid has something equally important to discuss: rescue.

You see, Sayid has concluded that Rousseau's 16-year-old radio transmission is preventing Naomi's radio phone from calling out (what Sayid doesn't realize is that radio phones require a prepaid debit card and knowledge of international calling codes). Sayid says they need to find the radio tower and disable the transmission.

But there's a wee problem. Juliet and Rousseau are listening in on all this, and Jules steps forward to reveal that Ben is using the Looking Glass to block all outgoing transmissions. One thing leads to another, Charlie volunteers for a diving expedition, and the radio-phone/transmission tower plotline is temporarily shelved until the end of the episode.

Moments later, Hurley sees an outrigger canoe make landfall down the beach. He calls out and Sayid appears out of nowhere. With Olympian speed, Sayid runs down the beach and lands a beautiful open-field tackle on Karl (Rodney Harrison would be proud). Fortunately for Karl, Sawyer appears and vouches for him (remember, Sawyer and Karl sorta kinda bonded back in "Stranger in a Strange Land").

So the castaways bring Karl back to the camps and he reveals that Juliet is a mole, but Karl is sorely disappointed to learn that Juliet's double-cross has already been uncovered. However, the castaways are very interested in Karl's second bit of news: the Others are already on their way.

Concern punches Jack in the mouth. It's not the Others who are about to be blown to hell, it's his well-laid plan. He groups up with Rousseau, Sayid and Juliet and it's readily apparent that their dyno scheme isn't going to be ready when Pryce and his merry henchmen arrive.

But Sayid "Clutch" Jarrah has a back-up plan. Rather than wasting time laying cable, why not position three snipers in the woods and blow the dynamite up with bullets?

Dammit, Sayid that just ... might ... work!

Jack's attention quickly shifts toward sniper candidates. Sayid is good with a rifle, so he's on board. Rousseau volunteers, but Jack rejects her application (but he does take her gun). If only he could find a rarely-seen dentist with deadeye marksmanship.

And this is when Rose and Bernard return to the story.

Bernard just happens to be a hell of a shooter, and he demonstrates his ability by picking off an assortment of Dharma canned goods. Bernard is excited at the prospect of being useful (that S.O.S. debacle left a mark), but Rose is not at all enthused about her husband enlisting in Jack's sniper squad. Unless Jack can give his word that Bernard will be safe, Rose is staying behind.

"I'll give you my word that if we don't kill everyone who shows up here in an hour, it's not going to matter where Bernard is," Jack says flatly.

Pray on that Rose.

Rose and Bernard depart, which leaves Jack and Sayid alone to finalize their plans. The three snipers will stay behind, but the rest of the castaway clan will travel to Rousseau's Mysterious Radio Tower. If things go as planned, the snipers will blow the Others to bits, Charlie and Desmond will disable the Looking Glass' jamming mechanism, and the castaways will then use Naomi's phone (and, presumably, the radio tower) to send a rescue signal.

Sayid and Jack agree on the operational details, but an important bit of information got lost in all the preparation: who's going to lead the castaways to the radio tower?

Jack thinks Sayid should go, but Sayid -- who, as usual, is the smartest person on the island -- says Jack needs to man-up and be the leader he claims to be. Jack whines in response.

"I owe them!" Jack spurts.

"What are you more concerned with, killing the Others, or getting these people off the island?" Sayid asks.

Testify Sayid!

Jack knows Sayid is right, so he wisely backs down and shuts up.

The castaways converge on the beach in the final moments of the episode. Backpacks are stocked with water and Dharma PowerBars. Random people we've never seen mill around, waiting for Jack to lead them into the jungle.

Kate looks at Jack.

"So, here we go again," she says.

And that's where it ends.

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "Tomorrow night when they show up ... we're gonna blow them all to hell." -- Jack "Death Wish" Shephard
  • Why would Jack and Rousseau waste dynamite on a demonstration? Don't they need that stuff? And doesn't a massive explosion run the risk of catching the Others' attention?
  • There's a bit of ambiguity about the third sniper. Bernard and Sayid are both on board, but a quick shot at the end of the episode suggests the third shooter is either Sun or Jin. Now, I think Sun is a badass and we already know she's got no problem killing Others (RIP, Colleen), but it would make no sense to leave Sun behind. She's the one person the Others are looking for, so why make it easier?
  • I sure hope Locke is a good clotter. Judging by this episode's timeline, he's been bleeding at the bottom of that Dharma pit for a long time.
  • The prop department deserves credit for recreating the fuselage set in Charlie's backstory. A lot of effort must have gone into revisiting Charlie and Claire's wardrobe and, as far as I can tell, they nailed it. Claire was wearing the same pregnancy ensemble she sported through most of season one, and Charlie was outfitted in his once ubiquitous blue hooded sweatshirt and finger bandages.

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Through the Looking Glass" -- The survivors get closer to rescue than ever before ... or so they believe. BWAHAHAHA! Airs Wednesday, May 23, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on May 17, 2007 11:02 AM |




Great review as always Mac! You're the best and I'm looking forward to another summer without your thoughts...

#1. Posted by: joss at May 17, 2007 11:06 AM

Hi there. A few things to ponder. Juliet appears to have turned but she hasn't told the losties that Claire has an implant that could kill her. I also think Dominick is a super mole

#2. Posted by: Don at May 17, 2007 11:09 AM

The 3rd sniper is Jin... Don't forget, in DOC, we found out he has military training

#3. Posted by: usually lurkin at May 17, 2007 11:10 AM

Way to go Mac another stellar review
Go Red Sox

#4. Posted by: bigdogjoe at May 17, 2007 11:17 AM

Charlie was sweet in tonight's show. Goes a long way to redeeeming the somewhat creepiness

of his character in S2.

The major question I have from the show concerns the timing of the others' raid.

Did Ben correctly figure that Locke swiped his tape recorder and warned the Losties, and

therefore moved up the raid to regain the element of surprise?

Or did Ben plan it this way all along, deliberately baiting Locke with the recorder, and

telling his own people that it was a different day so they couldn't give away the true

timing of the raid, then once the hook was set, moving up the raid by a day.

And what do they plan to *do* with the pregnant women, anyway?


Other minor points:

- the Looking Glass Station?

OK, you might want to have an underwater station to study sea life - but why would you have electronic jammers there? Shoudn't that be int he communications station? Plus, that cable is too big for a signal cable - it's got to be power. Eaither way, if you want to cut off a jamming signal from an underwater station, why do yo have to swim down to it? Especially when you think you're going to die doing it? Cut the bloody cable! An ax on shore would do the job.

Charlie's assuming he'll die throwing the switch. So how's Desmond supposed to know if he suceeded or not? Especially since he left Desmond behind unconscious?

And how did they get such an exact description of the switch? Juliet's never been there and the diagram Sayid had was not specific enough to provide that sort of information.

And if you're trying to swim to your physiological limits, mightn't you want to take off your jeans, t-shirt, and shoes first? North England swimming champ, indeed.

#5. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 11:18 AM

JACK IS BACK!!!!!!! ABOUT TIME. This was a good "filler" show.

#6. Posted by: dantheman at May 17, 2007 11:19 AM

My wife who doesn't read the blogs and only watches Lost because I do made a good point last night.

She said instead of swimming down to a flooded hatch why didn't Charlie and Des just cust to the power line to the Looking Glass.

I thought it was a good point.

#7. Posted by: Steve B at May 17, 2007 11:19 AM

Great Review (as usual) So the question I have is did Desmond "know" that Charlie wasn't going to be able to flip the switch and die so easily?

#8. Posted by: Toni at May 17, 2007 11:21 AM

Ok couple of things about last nights episode

1 Very interesting that Ben Played a key roll in the take over of Darhma and now his dear little Alex is playing a big role in helping the Losties.

2 Is the Looking Glass where they keep all the women, and Im assuming that is where they get the info that was then transferred to the Flame?

3 Who was the guy that Charles stopped from Robbing the women that called him a Hero, tried to pause it on his face but was unable to?

4 Alex did believe what Sayid told her about her Dad. Sawyers only line of the night "I know him" to Carl.

That is all for now on to read the Review thanks Mac!!

#9. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 11:24 AM

Am I first?

Great review as always Mac!

A couple of things I picked up on. The name "Looking Glass" comes from the original title of Alice in Wonderland. The original book was titled "Alice through the Looking Glass" I predict we might see this book either being read or on a bookshelf in the near future.

Does anyone else think the blonde woman in the new hatch could be Annie from Ben's past? That would mean, Ben isn't the only original Dharma survivor. Also, did anyone catch the other woman? I think she looked like the woman Sawyer conned in the "Long Con" episode and helped Kate briefly reunite with her mother.

I think the 3rd sniper is Jin. He was in the Korean Army. We know he was in the infantry, so that would translate into shooting ability.

Lastly, I wonder if there was any significance with Charlie's ring being left behind in the beach sand. BTW, I looked back at the previous episode with Charlie singing Oasis in the rain....completely different. Charlie was wearing a different shirt and the buildings were different as well. Obviouslt Charlie was a street performer.

I can't wait to the season finale, the last few episodes have been amazing!

#10. Posted by: Sam at May 17, 2007 11:25 AM

I think that was the first episode of Lost that has ever made me cry! Sniff, sniff… Charlie was willing to die so that Claire and Aaron could be rescued from the island! Sob… (Wipe tears from cheeks) He was willing to die for her… Sniff, sniff. AND, then Des offered to go in Charlie's spot! My husband's shirt was pretty soggy by the end of the episode.

#11. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 11:29 AM

I believe charlie's life will be saved due to the fact that he is now, not avoiding death. If that makes any sense.I know people will say that his name may not be in the credits for a certain ep. but that may be the producers leading us on. Remember things never turn out the way they seem!

#12. Posted by: dantheman at May 17, 2007 11:31 AM

The Pearly Gate

How can you top that one, Mac?

Fabulous, as always...oh, and a great episode too!

#13. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 11:31 AM

@4 1st loser to claim first and not be first. So pathetic

**********SPOILER***************

Jin is the 3rd shooter for sure. If you freeze frame the prevoew for next week you can see Said, Jin, and Bernard tied up by the others with a gun on them

#14. Posted by: Matt at May 17, 2007 11:32 AM

"it's likely Charlie brought his mediocre Oasis impersonation to the London populace on a regular basis."

I don't think so. I think that's an exact replica of the Desmond scene, but sans Desmond.

#15. Posted by: Sean at May 17, 2007 11:32 AM

I think the blonde chick that ran up and pointed a gun at Charlie looked like the same one who threw the fire bomb at the raft in "Exodus: Part 2." If it is, then apparently these women can come and go from this hatch.
I never saw a blinking yellow switch. Did I miss it or did Charlie never actually flip it?
Also, that white rabbit that Alex was skinning kinda looked like Ben's fluffly little Number 8. Sure hope the writers haven't stooped so low that they're using this bit to show Alex's need for getting revenge on her "father." Poor bun-bun! :(

#16. Posted by: Trinity at May 17, 2007 11:37 AM

Well last night was exactly what I expected....nothing groundbreaking, but I guess a good set up for the finale.

Up until this show, I've just been waiting for Charlie to die. Waiting and waiting. Now, I'm starting to have second thoughts...perhaps his death or the premonitions of that death is going to be more important than we all realize.

Specifically, I'm now wondering first of all if he dies at all, and secondly, if he does, his death will not only tie in to saving the losties, but perhaps Jacob as well. Just thinking out loud.

Boy, Benny sure looked shaken up when he got back to camp. That was fun.

On the cable...yeah, you would think they could cut it at the beach, but I suppose that you could argue that it's irrelevant...it could be just some sort of communication cable to the flame or perhaps a cable to a backup power source. Regardless, I wouldn't get too tied up in wondering why they just didn't cut it.

Thanks Mac!

#17. Posted by: petew at May 17, 2007 11:37 AM

Great set up episode. I don't expect to see Locke's rescue/death scene until sometime next season.

So, do we believe that Desmond saw Charlie "Drown"? He seemed somewhat hestitant about that.

Also thought it interesting that the blonde woman who comes out to meet the stealthy ninja Charlie looks like a grown up version of Alice (he has fallen thru the looking glass!!!)

Can hardly wait til next week.

#18. Posted by: weepict at May 17, 2007 11:38 AM

Was it me or did the Looking Glass folks look like Dharma people and not "Others"?

In the end figuring out why they didn't cut the power is like figuring out how on TV people get knocked unconscious with having a skull fracture.

Here's an idea: you go hit someone in the head with a board today and see if he/she falls unconscious. Dead maybe; bleeding, screaming profanities, and very, very angry certainly, but unless the unconsciousness proceeds the death, highly unlikely he/she will take a convenient nap.

In other words, let's enjoy the bs idea that one of them has to swim down to the invisible station...we SHALL suspend belief!

#19. Posted by: tim at May 17, 2007 11:38 AM

Hey SAM The looking glass hatch has a picture of a Rabbit in the middle. It was the rabbit who helped Alice get out of the looking glass. Yes oh Yes the Rabbit!!!!

#20. Posted by: dantheman at May 17, 2007 11:41 AM

Wasn't there a white rabbit in Alice in Wonderland?

#21. Posted by: Rudy at May 17, 2007 11:41 AM

Quick question about Juliet:

When she told Sun she was sorry, was it for spilling the beans about her pregnancy to the Others or could it be for lying about the DOC? I wonder if that will come up later? I'm still not convinced that she's now a team player. I think she will do anything, even if it means lying about Sun's DOC, to get herself off the island. Also, I'm guessing what she wanted to tell Kate a while ago and Jack shot her down was the plan the Others had for coming to take the women.

If I was Sun, I would let Jin know that some crazy people are coming to steal me and our baby away and sit back while he kicks some Other butt. Because you know he will. He'd show 'em some total body protection, possessive husband-style.

And call me crazy, but I swear the dark-haired woman with the gun in the Looking Glass reminded me of Cindy the stewardess (or flight attendant, whatever). Haven't seen her in a while, so could it be her?

#22. Posted by: SuperMe at May 17, 2007 11:41 AM

Sayid "Clutch" Jarrah..."Operation: Knocked Up"...

Great Review Mac! After all of the laughing outloud I think that my co-workers are going to think that I am crazy.

#23. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 11:42 AM

Maybe Des saw Charlie flip the switch, and that causes the hatch to flood where he drowns to death.

#24. Posted by: Michael at May 17, 2007 11:42 AM

Some points:

1.Anyone notice Alex carving the rabbit? And Karl asking if she brought the rabbit? Ben's affinity for rabbits was explored last week? Alice in Wonderland, anyone?

2. I thought it was very important that the two people who came upon Charlie were WOMEN. I think this may be a splinter group from Ben.....maybe escaping their own fate of being impregnated and then dying. Does Ben still have communication with the Loking Glass?

3. Love the underwater hatch. Totally cool.

+++SPOLIER++++

Slowing down my DVR and rewatching the the preview for next week- Desmond makes it to the Looking Glass....and it looks like Bernard kicks the bucket.


#25. Posted by: Deep Diver at May 17, 2007 11:43 AM

o OK, so Mac's as usual excellent review reminds me that Desmond's vision is how we know the appearance of the switch. So we're depending on visions to risk our lives now?

o 100 Days seems a tad short to get out a "Driveshaft's Greatest Hits" tribute album. And wouldn't that be "Driveshaft's Greatest Hit"? You could put it on a 45.

o Seems we've still got a little untold Charlie backstory. When and why did Rock's only non-drug-using bassist develop a heroin habit?

o Good point about the massive demonstation explosion, Mac. That bothered me, too.

#26. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 11:44 AM

Some points:

1.Anyone notice Alex carving the rabbit? And Karl asking if she brought the rabbit? Ben's affinity for rabbits was explored last week? Alice in Wonderland, anyone?

2. I thought it was very important that the two people who came upon Charlie were WOMEN. I think this may be a splinter group from Ben.....maybe escaping their own fate of being impregnated and then dying. Does Ben still have communication with the Loking Glass?

3. Love the underwater hatch. Totally cool.

+++SPOLIER++++

Slowing down my DVR and rewatching the the preview for next week- Desmond makes it to the Looking Glass....and it looks like Bernard kicks the bucket.


#27. Posted by: Deep Diver at May 17, 2007 11:45 AM

@ No. 6/Cecil Rose.

I believe Sayid or Juliette said that the Looking Glass was structured in a way that it could be accessed by submarine ... but I agree with you that it's odd that that is where they are jamming signals from. I figured that it must be because it is hard to access/easy to hide, so if people figure out that the signal is jammed, they still don't know from where. We've seen the ease with which the Losties eventually stumble upon the other stations, so maybe that's the reason? Also, I don't remember if Sayid and friends had a detailed description of the switch, and if that's what you are talking about, but I think that Charlie's details about the switch came from Desmond's flash. And I also questioned how Desmond would know Charlie succeeded, if Charlie is to die down there

@ No. 12/Sam - I think the significance of the ring left behind was that Charlie left it in Aaron's cradle because he looks at him as if he were his own son.

@Mac - great review as always. I had such a good laugh at "Pray on that Rose" and Charlie thinking he was "talking to a pregnant Easter bunny". LOL.

@ Everyone
I thought Charlie's "greatest hits" were so sweet. And I liked that his #1 was meeting Claire. I particularly enjoyed his goodbye to Hurley - I'd forgotten that they'd kind of been good buddies in the first two seasons. That moment made me remember when Hurley tried to tell Charlie about his lotto winnings. Oh, and Hurley was too big for the outrigger.

I also liked that Rose told Jack she liked him better since he got back. He's a little irritating to me at times, but I still agree.

I usually don't enjoy the "filler" episodes as much, but this was a pretty good one, as they go. I can't wait for next week ... for those 2 hours, I'm gonna be incommunicado like a plane/boat/helicopter crash victim on Lost Island!

#28. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 11:45 AM

Sorry....couoldn't resist...

#29. Posted by: SonnyESQ at May 17, 2007 11:45 AM

As always, way to go Mac.

I hope Locke turns out to be good as well, though I wouldn't hold my breath. Did I see in the previews that Des end up in Looking Glass as well?

And why would they leave to young women down there alone? Maybe so they wouldn't get pregnant?

I still do not trust Juliete (sp), though I did like how she greeted Carl, "Gee thanks Carl for diming me out, I missed you too", or something like that.

It will be a long off season, but well worth the wait.

#30. Posted by: Gerard at May 17, 2007 11:46 AM

When Jack said "I owe them!" was he talking about the camp, or the others?? Is he indebted to them in some way or does he feel guilty for not telling the Losties the truth about the Mole right away?

#31. Posted by: Trinity at May 17, 2007 11:47 AM

I thought for sure Jack's big line was going to be "Tomorrow night when they show up ... Boom goes the dynamite."

#32. Posted by: Kevin at May 17, 2007 11:48 AM

JACOB question....

When Ben told Richard that he spoke to Jacob and Jacob told him to move forward with the plan immediatly...

Hello? Did Jacob "say" that? Is Jacob really just Ben? Is Ben a filthy liar?

Let's discuss....

#33. Posted by: sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 11:48 AM

"When they show up, we will blast them all to hell"

Anyone else see the purgatory tie in there? LOL, I thought that was funny wording by the writers.

#34. Posted by: Michael at May 17, 2007 11:50 AM

@Kevin: That poor kid. He's never going to live that down.

#35. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2007 11:50 AM

@37.

I am on the fence on whether or not I think that Ben can still communicate with Jacob. It seemed that he was talking to Jacob when they first entered the cabin and that Jacob was angry at him for bringing John to see him. At the same time, Ben seemed so interested in the fact that John had heard Jacob that it was almost like Jacob had stopped giving him messages. The only time that Jacob could have given Ben a message was when he had him pushed up against the wall.

I don't think that Jacob said anything about storming the camp early. I think that Ben uses Jacob to maintain control over the rest of the Others - but it seems his control is wearing thin.

#36. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 11:53 AM

Acronym time again:
NYNF - No, you're not first

WDTCTC - Why don't they cut the cable?

It's a good thing Sawyer isn't one of the snipers, since he missed killing the marshall at point-blank range. I was surprised they didn't show Sun arguing with Jin about not going with her. Maybe she figured if he got killed he wouldn't find out that she's gonna die anyway.

#37. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 11:54 AM

Does anyone else remember the episode where that woman is drowning and Charlie runs to get Jack to save her? I swear I remember Charlie telling him that he can't swim. But, from his dive, it looks like he's got no problems. Why would he lie? And, why doesn't Jack remember that when Charlie all of a sudden says he's a junior champion and can hold his breath for 4 minutes. Am I making stuff up or does anyone else remember that?

#38. Posted by: Shannon...But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 11:55 AM

Here is a thought on the whole breaking the cable. maybe they have a backup generator system and if they do loose power, they can send out a signal the other "others" to fix it. Just a thought.

#39. Posted by: Gerard at May 17, 2007 11:58 AM

@38
I thought that was Boone

#40. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 11:59 AM

re: the brunette in the Looking glass- i was fairly certain it was Cindy, the stewardess who landed in the tail section. it would be a lost-like twist though for it to turn out to be sawyer's ex/ alleged baby momma who helped kate.

when the 815s were discussing the looking glass, sayid indicated the moon pool was large enough to dock a submarine, so the women could come/go from the site.

(now i need to figure out whether or not we've seen cindy on dry land since the locke bombed the sub)

#41. Posted by: amanda at May 17, 2007 12:02 PM

Great Mac! Can't wait until next week. Finally, they bring back Rose and Bernard. I have seen many posts from viewers wondering what happened to them. I think the writers are on to your blog!!!!

Any chance Alex or Richard will rescue Locke? The show cannot lose it's bad asses Sayid, Jin and Locke. They ARE the show!!!

#42. Posted by: Kimberly at May 17, 2007 12:04 PM

That was an awesome recap and made my Thursday morning, as usual.

I agree with the 2nd poster and am wondering why Juliet didn't say anything about Claire's implant if she is being sincere. Possibly her and Ben had a plan B which was that she'd disclose that he wanted the pregnant women if her secret was compromised. If Ben felt Juliet was a trader, why would he want the pregnant women becuase she's the fertility expert. It doesn't make sense if he's not planning on her being there to help with them.

I also thought it looked like Cindy in the hatch but didn't notice a scarf.

I would think the Cable they followed was for something other than power. I also think there is another way to get into The Looking Glass than just underwater - tunnel perhaps.

I think Desmond was suspicious with his premonitions too. I don't think he told Charlie everything which is why he offered to go down in the water for him. Next week should be interesting.

#43. Posted by: Nanc at May 17, 2007 12:05 PM

If anyone's interested, Canada has a better promo (IMHO) for the Lost Season Finale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvT_F8GYV4

#44. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:05 PM

One more thought....Ben had Lockes gun...I can't remember...did Locke drop it before he fell into the grave, or did Ben actually crawl in there and grab it from John after he fell in?

#45. Posted by: petew at May 17, 2007 12:05 PM

Oh my god! The "fem-bots" got Charlie! "Machine gun jublees! How did I miss those baaaaby!"

#46. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 12:07 PM

It's a rabbit!!

The Looking Glass Dharma Logo is a rabbit! Check out the logo on the Lost Easter Egg site
(I can't put the URL link here- I tried.)

#47. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 12:08 PM

@petew: The gun thing troubled me too. I rewatched the shooting scene from last week and I can't figure out how Ben gets the gun.

#48. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2007 12:08 PM

I think the next time we see Locke he will be showing up in the submarine. And I think he will be the death of Ben.

#49. Posted by: Burger Bill at May 17, 2007 12:09 PM

Awesome review Mac!

I really wish this episode could have explained the weird gap in the tape recorder incident. Someone watching the show with me tried to explain that Ben could have always left messages on the back side of the tape, and Jules just knew, but that wouldn't explain how the Jack and her knew the attack was in two days.

You would of thought things like...oh...I don't know...Saving Claire's life, kicking heroine, making it big when your music is god awful (seriously) would have made it in to the "greatest hits". If those were my best five memories, I guess I would realize that I would want to die too.

I do have this sneaking feeling that Des lied to Charlie. I'm not sure why, but he seemed to have a shifty look about him as he was explaining Charlie's death. Maybe he knew about what appears to be torture in the previews, maybe he'll die a much more horrible death, or maybe Charlie's death won't save Claire and Eggplant head, but rather bring about sweet Nickle...er...Penny.

I can't WAIT for next week.

#50. Posted by: The Other Other at May 17, 2007 12:09 PM

@petew, mac

Regarding the gun, I think it is possible that Ben grabbed Locke's gun from him (Locke had the gun stuck in the back of his waistband) while Locke was looking into the pit. So Ben shot Locke with his own gun.

#51. Posted by: ct at May 17, 2007 12:13 PM

no one has mentioned the crux of the episode, where Charlie sheds all of his fears and past while swimming into the ocean, and his shoe comes off, and floats away.

#52. Posted by: noname at May 17, 2007 12:14 PM

*****SPOILER*****
I don't really think the next week's previews are spoilers myself, but I've read in places where ppl get upset when other's don't mark them as spoilers ...

Last night in the previews, it looked as if Jack looked at Kate and said "I Love You". Do you guys think that is for real, or do you think it was editing, and he was speaking to someone else, like Juliette, or the group (if he was speaking to the group, how corny would that be, LOL)?

#53. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:16 PM

Great Re cap Big Mac, Special sauce lettuce cheese. as always. I belive ANNIE=ROSSO...We have never seen big ben or big annie inn the same shot, also young ben, and i would suspect young annie were both given those black bags when you 1st come to the island bags that they both seem 2 still carry. (ben pulls out his annie doll from his black bag).With the dolls they "would never have to be apart". Maybe ben brain washed her, at some point like they tried to do with karl.

#54. Posted by: T -spoon at May 17, 2007 12:17 PM

Great review Mac!

Re: The women in The Looking Glass hatch

I have read the comments so far and haven’t seen anything anyone post this theory. But my very first thought when the two women were seen in the Looking Glass was that they were with Naomi. When she told Patchy that she wasn’t alone, I assumed this meant that there were others on the helicopter. Perhaps when the helicopter crashed into the ocean they swam into the Looking Glass. I don’t have Tivo so I only saw it once, but it seemed like the uniforms they were wearing were the same as Naomi’s. Perhaps Charlie swam past some helicopter wreckage on his way down? Did anyone get a better view of what those women were wearing or what Charlie swam past?

As for why didn’t they just cut the power cable? Well that is not what Desmond saw in his vision. Charlie and Desmond put a lot of faith in Desmond’s visions and are clearly motivated to not try to change this one; so they will do what Desmond saw in an effort to make it come true. Whether or not there may be a smarter way to go about it, they don’t want to take the chance of changing the ending.

Can’t wait for the finale!

#55. Posted by: Christine at May 17, 2007 12:18 PM

Kudos to you Mac. You brought "The Poseidon Adventure" and "Abyss" into the recap. You truly are the best of LOST writers. Best line: 'She emerges, picking ticks from her scalp and licking her dirty paw.' Yeah, that's about right.
Someone earlier mentioned that the cable should weigh something like 10 pounds per foot, or more, yet Charlie and Des are tossing it around like a noodle.
I also agree that the pyrotechnic demonstration was extreme. The Others should have heard it, and you would think there is a limited supply of dynamite aboard the Black Rock.
I had expected Charlie to rescue Naomi from the mugger, not Nadia.
Do you think the rescue helicopter will be Airwolf?
Peace out.

#56. Posted by: onelostdude at May 17, 2007 12:18 PM

The brunette in the Looking Glass wasn't Cindy, she's been traveling with the Other's, we saw her speak to Locke a couple episodes ago, while pitching a tent. I believe it's a good possibility that the blonde is Annie, but I guess we'll see.

Why did Jack send Russeau away? She wanted to go with them and he told her she couldn't. Who the heck is he to tell her what she can't do??

Loved the episode. Totally cried. Can't wait for the finale!

#57. Posted by: sarah c at May 17, 2007 12:20 PM

Cindy has to be the most "spotted" character in series history ;)

#58. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2007 12:22 PM

the bigger issue with charlie in the looking glass - desmond assumes he's dead (if he's not lying about his vision). desmond will return to camp and tell the gang that charlie died after flipping the switch. no one will know he's a sex prisoner in an underwater paradise.

#59. Posted by: Jiggy at May 17, 2007 12:22 PM

@ No.50/The Other Other

I don't think Jack and Juliette knew for sure when the attack would be until the other side of the tape was played in front of the group. I think they were just preparing for the attack, knowing it would be soon, and that they would find out exactly when the next time Juliette played one of Ben's tapes.

#60. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:22 PM

Something strange....what do you see when you turn the Rabbit logo (Looking Glass) upside down?

#61. Posted by: Len at May 17, 2007 12:28 PM

Ok, my husband has figured out the mystery of Lost. His idea is that after Hurley won the lottery, he decided to spend it on an adventure by CRS (remember Nicholas Van Orten in The Game). Nothing is real. Maybe some of the people on the island were also patients in the hospital he committed himself to and he befriended them.

Just a thought, probably no sillier than some of the others I have read about. And for the record, it is my husband's idea and not mine. Unless it turns out to be true and then I came up with it. ;)

Amy R

#62. Posted by: Amy at May 17, 2007 12:30 PM

White Rabbit? I wonder if the season finale is going to end with a Jefferson Airplane concert on the beach. Charlie could be holding up a lighter...

So, did anyone else think Charlie's dad was going to let him down in the pool scene? How does Charlie's dad not being bad fit in?

Also, Terry O'Quinn's name was still in the credits...I know we all assume he's not dead, but does this confirm it? Or does this just mean he could show up in flashbacks?

Great episode, great recap.

#63. Posted by: PenFoe at May 17, 2007 12:32 PM

Shout out to Jiggy-

@#59
Funniest post ever!

#64. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 12:32 PM

Did anyone notice that when Charlie was singing on the street in his flashback, one of his audience looked a lot like Naomi, who happens to be from Manchester too?

#65. Posted by: andrew at May 17, 2007 12:32 PM

**********SPOILER***************

Jin is the 3rd shooter for sure. If you freeze frame the prevoew for next week you can see Said, Jin, and Bernard tied up by the others with a gun on them

#66. Posted by: Matt at May 17, 2007 12:33 PM

@Nanc/43
Juliet, even if she has changed sides, would have to be a total idiot to reveal everything she knows. Now, she still has brownie points for saving Clare's life. She's too crafty to lay all her cards on the table. We don't know for sure that Clare's implant could be fatal, or that it can be activated more than once. Juliet revealed only as much as she thought was relevant to the current mission.

#67. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 12:33 PM

Did anyone notice that when Charlie was singing on the street in his flashback, one of his audience looked a lot like Naomi, who happens to be from Manchester too?

#68. Posted by: andrew at May 17, 2007 12:34 PM

Did anyone notice that when Charlie was singing on the street in his flashback, one of his audience looked a lot like Naomi, who happens to be from Manchester too?

#69. Posted by: andrew at May 17, 2007 12:34 PM

Another acronym--

WTBWC?

Was the brunette woman Cindy?

#70. Posted by: kati jo at May 17, 2007 12:36 PM

@38/40

I also remember charlie saying he can't swim at some point. It was definitely not boone, he was a lifeguard.

#71. Posted by: 田也 at May 17, 2007 12:38 PM

@Len/61 - I don't get it - what do you see?

#72. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 12:40 PM

@ 71

Agreed!

I think it was when that women Joanna was drowning, Charlie asked Jack to save her because he couldn't swim. Then, later, someone said something to Charlie like "You were born on an island and you can't swim?" Charlie gives some brief answer about how he just never found the time.

#73. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 12:41 PM

Why would Mac even consider Sun to be a shooter? Is he just trying to imply that he's not sexist to rightfully assume it's Jin? It's OK Mac, we know you're not sexist, but it was pretty obvious that the 3rd shooter would be Jin.

#74. Posted by: Dave at May 17, 2007 12:42 PM

@50 The Other Other said:

>I can't WAIT for next week.

I hope you won't be too dissapointed, but next week is a clip show, and the finale is in *two* weeks.

#75. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 12:42 PM

Why would Mac even consider Sun to be a shooter? Is he just trying to imply that he's not sexist to rightfully assume it's Jin? It's OK Mac, we know you're not sexist, but it was pretty obvious that the 3rd shooter would be Jin.

#76. Posted by: Dave at May 17, 2007 12:43 PM

Did anyone else think they saw a "baby bump" on Alex? It was a brief flash when she handed the gun to Karl.

#77. Posted by: Kathy at May 17, 2007 12:44 PM

@ 75/Cecil Rose

The Finale is next week. The clip show is tonite.

#78. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 12:46 PM

Great Review Thanks Mac!

When they are holding Jack in the under water tank on the other Island and he flips that switch making the room begins to fill with water. Could this room be in anyway conected to the Looking Glass? Uh feel like its a good thought.

Secondly as soon as Charlie started making that list I said to myself one of his best moments is going to be from the Island. Thinking more on that idea I bet alot of the other Losties would have Island moments in their top 5's too. Could this mean anything I have no idea.

Still hooked on the Ben turns his back on Darhma and ALex Turns her back on the Others Parrelle.

#79. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 12:46 PM

Just want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode

#80. Posted by: Flori at May 17, 2007 12:46 PM

Why does everyone see Cindy everywhere? Is she really important to the show or are we looking too hard to connect the dots?

#81. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 12:47 PM

Just want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode

#82. Posted by: Flori at May 17, 2007 12:47 PM

Glad to see somebody else thought the rifle toting woman in the Looking Glass could be Cassie.

I thought that might be Ben's favorite Wabbit #8 that Alex was filleting too...but if #8 had a girlfriend the Bensylvanians would have an endless supply of wabbits for stewing.

Pearly Gate and Rodney comments were great Mac.
Go Sox.

#83. Posted by: CC at May 17, 2007 12:52 PM

We also know when Charlie will die Desmond said he would be in a room filled with equipment and then he would pull the yellow flashing switch. Resulting in his drowning, so that part has not yet happened remember Desmond does not see everything just Flashes. Still a beliver that Charlie will die.

#84. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 12:53 PM

@ Cecil Rose

From the ABC website:

The Answers
Wednesday, May 23 at 8/7c
A look at some of the questions - and answers - about the mysteries of Lost, before the two-hour season finale!

Through the Looking Glass
Wednesday, May 23 at 9/8c
SEASON FINALE - Jack and his fellow castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship.

#85. Posted by: sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 12:53 PM

@ Cecil Rose

From the ABC website:

The Answers
Wednesday, May 23 at 8/7c
A look at some of the questions - and answers - about the mysteries of Lost, before the two-hour season finale!

Through the Looking Glass
Wednesday, May 23 at 9/8c
SEASON FINALE - Jack and his fellow castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship.

#86. Posted by: sillygirl0630 at May 17, 2007 12:56 PM

Okay, so biggest understatement of the night " You're too big Hurley" What was he thinking he would have been wearing that outrigger like a thong!!

#87. Posted by: Sheila at May 17, 2007 12:56 PM

@ Cecil Rose

Charlie became a herion addict in S1E7, The Moth, when he tried to get his brother Liam off the stuff and, being unsuccessful, took the attitude "if ya can't beat em ..." The irony is that Liam cleaned up, married, had child, and Charlie still has the family ring.

@ Mac

Another great review. Thanks again. And I agree that only Elvis has been spotted in more places than Cindy.

#88. Posted by: losttravel at May 17, 2007 12:57 PM

"Testify Sayid!"

HAHA...another great review Mac!

#89. Posted by: Ashley at May 17, 2007 12:57 PM

Okay, so biggest understatement of the night " You're too big Hurley" What was he thinking he would have been wearing that outrigger like a thong!!

#90. Posted by: Sheila at May 17, 2007 12:57 PM

I was dissapointed that next weeks previews gave away too much. Jacks band met at the tower by Ben, etc. Hope they surprise us better than that when the shoe airs.
Did anyone else see Locke in the previews or am I losing it?
Also when Karl showed up on the beach i thought it was stupid for Sayid to tackle him. he didn't seem at all threatening. Blowing up the tree was also stupid ... lets let the enemy know we have TNT

#91. Posted by: Luvlost at May 17, 2007 12:58 PM

Whooos, my bad, thanks both Jenna and sillygirl0630 for the correction.

The interview with the producers is tonight (17th(, the clip show is next Wednesday a6 8, precedint the two part finale at 9.

#92. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 1:02 PM

Whooos, my bad, thanks both Jenna and sillygirl0630 for the correction.

The interview with the producers is tonight (17th(, the clip show is next Wednesday a6 8, precedint the two part finale at 9.

#93. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 1:02 PM

Can someone send me the Easter Egg site? I'm trying to see the Dharma logo on the hatch and I can't see it in the episode recaps. Thanks

#94. Posted by: Rudy at May 17, 2007 1:02 PM

@75

No, it all occurs next week, the 23rd. Three hours!!! The Answers, followed by the finale - +2 hrs.

#95. Posted by: JT at May 17, 2007 1:04 PM

Just another thought, I know the were far out in the Ocean when they found the Hatch but could it be possible that the Others have surveillance of the Lost camp from this station and they can report it back to Ben.
What happen to Paulikkis Walky-Talky maybe they could over hear them?

#96. Posted by: Dakota at May 17, 2007 1:05 PM

GRAA Mac,

It only took them three years to do it, but the Happy Beach Fun Time Gang is finally starting to talk about stuff.

All Hail the Return of Rose and Bernard! I can't be the only who thought when Rose said to Bernard, "Let's get you into something dark…" that there may have been a little sexual innuendo there.

And I can't help but think our new Other friend Ryan Price, who gets introduced one week before the season finale, is anything but a redshirt.

Anyone else see a parallel between Charlie's shagging the "...two birds from row two…" and then getting captured by two women in the Looking Glass?

And all while "John Locke's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, But his soul goes marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah, Glory, glory, hallelujah, …"

#97. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 17, 2007 1:05 PM

Alpert was upset Locke didn't make it back. I think he was relying on Locke's don't-tell-me-what-to-do-ness to overthrow Ben. No one else seems willing to step up against Ben.

The Others search for Karl? Why would they care? He's apparently useless and brainwashed. His survival skills are that Alex likes to make a nice rabbit stew.

@Cecil Rose--Imagine if one of the Baha Men (We get it. You don't know who let the dogs out.) died in a plane crash. There is that segment of the population who would run out and buy anything Baha Men. The record companies would shove out a greatest hits disc ASAP to cash in on the phenomenon. 3 months is too quick? 3 weeks is too short.

#98. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 17, 2007 1:07 PM

I think this ep downplayed Sawyer and ignored Locke on purpose because they'll have big roles in the finale. Locke still has a purpose to serve in all this, and you can bet it won't be from inside that pit. As for Sawyer, he hates the Others more than anyone else, and he's a lil unhinged right now.
Anyone else remember "You and me ain't done, Zeke."?
Friendly/Tom is screwed.

#99. Posted by: boone at May 17, 2007 1:07 PM

#38-Shannon
You are absolutely corect on the Charlie-can't-swim comment. Early in Season 1 when the young lady gets pulled out to sea during a morning swim, Charlie comes running for Jack to go rescue her (Jack eventually rescues a semi-drowned Boone, who was attempting his own ill-fated rescue attempt of this woman). As Jack plunges into the surf, Charlie lets out an exasperated sigh, saying "I can't swim." I thought this was interesting when I re-watched Season 1 DVDs with my kids recently, because it came after the episode where Desmond tells Charlie that he drowned trying to save Claire. 50 episode apart, yet the writers tied in Charlie's lack of swimming ability to the Desmond-Charlie death flashes.

#55-Christine
You are dead-on about the motivations for Desmond and Charlie in regards to the "find-the-underwater-hatch, look-for-the-yellow-flashing-light, flip-the-switch, drown-peacefully" vision Desmond had earlier. They have abandoned the "logical-thinking" portion of their brain and are fully committed to following the vision to the last detail. Drowning noblely = Claire/Turniphead's rescue.

Let me toss this out there for what it is worth...what if Desmond's vision of Charlie throwing the switch is not supposed to occur today? Does Desmond really know EXACTLY when these visions are supposed to take place, other than at "some time in the future?" What if Charlie is destined to throw that switch in a room with a flashing yellow light during Season 6, Episode 16? Charlie still dies a noble death, the rescue choppers arive, and all of us sit around talking about the brilliance of the writers pre-planning this dramatic exit of Charlie's character more than 3 seasons before.

#100. Posted by: Wade at May 17, 2007 1:08 PM

Just want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode

#101. Posted by: Flori at May 17, 2007 1:09 PM

@67&43:
Juliet is still on Ben's payroll. Back in Bensylvania, when Ben made her repeat her instructions; one was that if she is outed she would fess up and tell them the truth/the whole story of what she was doing...which is what she has done and what we are all being suckered into thinking has proven that she is now a good guy. She is carrying out her instructions still!!!!!

#102. Posted by: CC at May 17, 2007 1:13 PM

@Cecil R... I think the same recap show airs tonight and re-runs before the finale next week... And I don't recall the details, but I think we've seen Charlie & brother using heroin together in a flashback. Brother was a bad influence I think.

#103. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 1:19 PM

Regarding the two women in the Looking Glass Station, they are being labeled as Bonnie (the blond one who to me appears to be Annie with Richard Alpert type aging) and Greta (the brunette who looks like Colleen - the one Sun shot aboard Desi's boat). You can see the pics on Lostpedia.

#104. Posted by: Gitmo at May 17, 2007 1:19 PM

Dextor Stratton. Is that Charlie's last name? Anybody think that name might have some meaning other than their band was named after him?

Maybe I'm looking too deep, but I found it odd that they mentioned him in that little piece of flashback.

#105. Posted by: ANTP? at May 17, 2007 1:21 PM

Does anybody else not totally trust Naomi, helicopter girl?

#106. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 1:21 PM

Wouldn't Desmond have had to be with Charlie to see the yellow blinking switch in his Desmonition? Can he see flashes of what other people have seen, or only what he personally witnessed? If he does have to be there, has Charlie screwed it up by not letting Desmond go with him? Or was Desmond's vision actually of his own death while flipping the switch and decided to have Charlie take his place?

#107. Posted by: curious at May 17, 2007 1:24 PM

Obviously Ben has issues with pregnant women. His mother died when he was born. Now women on the Island can't have children. Is that Ben projecting that because if his anger and his connection with the island. But now, maybe Ben is losing that connection and he wants to gather all the pregnant women to test his theory. That is why he want to kidnap all the pregnant women.

Loch will be back soon to help.

The women on the Looking Glass are not envolved with Nadia.

There was no wreckage in the water when Charlie swam down. But good thing the hatch was not flooded b/c Charlie had no more air to get to the switch and turn it.

And Mac, my guess is that they did not re-create the fusulage scene. They just filmed that back when they did the beach scene.

Thanks for the re-cap

#108. Posted by: James at May 17, 2007 1:27 PM

I believe 'Looking Glass' and 'Wonderland' are separate stories, though you often find them published together in one volume.

Also if I remember correctly, the white rabbit appears in both: in 'Wonderland' he's the reason that Alice arrives in Wonderland, while in 'Looking Glass', Alice arrives by going through a mirror.

Interesting note (and this was something I read elsewhere) - 'Looking Glass' prominently features a game of Chess in which Alice and other characters are the pieces - is this another clever allusion to the idea of 'light and dark'?


#109. Posted by: Zizzy at May 17, 2007 1:28 PM

Did anybody notice that on the side of Charlie's guitar it says "I WAS HERE MOMENTS AGO" ? This seen when he was placing his guitar in it's case on the street. Strange. Maybe somehow he is sending hiself clues from another time??

Also, the tag on the band's van spelled backwards spells "LOTTERY"

just fyi:)

#110. Posted by: Scott at May 17, 2007 1:30 PM

Sorry for the muliposts. Problems w/my connection

#111. Posted by: Scott at May 17, 2007 1:33 PM

The second woman in the looking glass - the one who wasn't shown in the closeup is the woman that Sawyer conned and the one that helped Kate.

#112. Posted by: NV at May 17, 2007 1:34 PM

@#105/ANTP?

Charlie's last name is Pace ... the ring came from his maternal grandfather or great-grandfather, hence the difference in the last names.

I definitely will be on the look out for characters with the last name "Stratton" in the future.

#113. Posted by: Jenna at May 17, 2007 1:38 PM

I think jack tells russo she can't stay and fight the others cause she would see ben and vice-versa , ben would get all goopy eyed & the whole thing would fall apart....They are connected some how. ben& Russo.

#114. Posted by: T -spoon at May 17, 2007 1:39 PM

@CC/102 - But that still allows Juliet to follow her own agenda. She's trying to be a free agent. She knows Ben is only out for himself and will only protect her as long as it benefits him.

#115. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 1:40 PM

Mac, I think you missed Charlie's real pickup line... Before he asked if this was her first plane crash, as he offered her his blanket, she initially refused and said surely he needed it. But he came back with "Nah... you're warming for two"!

#116. Posted by: Buck41 at May 17, 2007 1:48 PM

Okay, I read through all the comments and I didn't see this one:

Does anyone else have a problem with the Looking Glass "Jamming" the signals? How did Hurley's buddy from the asylum get the numbers from his ship off the coast of the island if the broadcast has been jammed by the others?

Just wondering

#117. Posted by: Kevin at May 17, 2007 1:48 PM

helecopter girls uniform did look like the ones the little mermaids had on in the under sea hatch,could of all been a set up,underwater hatch making helecopter sounds and lights and next thing you know girl in tree.there is supose to be a LOST answers show on tonight after grays anatamy finale

#118. Posted by: bigdogjoe at May 17, 2007 1:49 PM

to 106
There really is no reason to trust Juliette or Naomi (Tree Girl). Both of them are highly suspicious. Actually so is Russeu (sp) Haven't trusted her since the netting of Ben.
Ruined the finale for myself by looking at all the different previews. It's not too hard too guess now just what will happen. The only thing thing not known is just who betrayed the Losties

#119. Posted by: Luvlost at May 17, 2007 1:55 PM

Hey Hey MAC - Awesome Recap Brotha ! ! !

Loved the ep. It inspired sympathy for a character that I haven't been able to tolerate. At the end of the ep, as he stood on the outrigger, getting ready to jump in the water, I actually thought to myself, 'you go boy - you da man'. Come to think of it what Charlie did, or rather intended to do, has to be the some selfless act since the show began. He is willing to sacrifice himself for the 'family' he found on the island, Claire and Aaron. In my book that puts the lil hobbit back on my A list.

Mac: I wondered the same thing about the third shooter, then I remembered that it has to be Jin, he served time in the military so he would have experience with rifles and shooting.

#120. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 17, 2007 1:56 PM

Uh... if it WAS an electric cable and they cut it with a metal ax, they would be electrocuted, right? Seems a fine reason not to do it to me. :)

#121. Posted by: The Duf at May 17, 2007 1:57 PM

Agree with your observation, mac. Those were Ben's 'buggiest' bug-eyes, yet!

#122. Posted by: JT at May 17, 2007 2:00 PM

@ransomjackson#97
I totally thought the same thing when Rose said that to Bernard. I elbowed my husband and said "ooh, that was a little dirty". I'm glad I'm not the only one.

#123. Posted by: Amy at May 17, 2007 2:01 PM

121)

But some dynamite would have done the trick. I think Sayid said something about it being a cable "anchoring" it to the island. That wouldn't make sense, but I have to think that if the Lost group thought it was the power cable, they would have just destroyed it.

#124. Posted by: kevin at May 17, 2007 2:02 PM

@100 Wade said:

>As Jack plunges into the surf, Charlie lets out an exasperated sigh, saying "I can't swim."

As we say over on my blog, courtesy of Dr. House: "Everybody lies."

O---------

@121 The Duf said:

>Uh... if it WAS an electric cable and they cut it with a metal ax, they would be electrocuted, right? Seems a fine reason not to do it to me. :)

Metal axes have wooden handles.

#125. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 17, 2007 2:06 PM

uh..I know time is running out now but why not use Karl's boat to head out to sea? Kate and Sawyer rode back in it, why didnt they immediately take off and get help like they were going to do when they built the boat in season 1. just wondering.

#126. Posted by: Jr at May 17, 2007 2:07 PM

@luvlost... I feel ya. Even the short previews seem to be too much of a spoiler.

#127. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 2:08 PM

***NOT A SPOILER***

OMG...I just had a horrible idea...

What if Charlie, by flooding the Looking Glass, somehow triggers the Dec of 06 tsunami?

Would the writers go there? Or is that just too far out there?

***END OF NOT A SPOILER***

#128. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 17, 2007 2:12 PM

GRAA Mac!

I completely agree that Jack & Rousseau wasted perfectly good dynamite on a tree. I guess it was an excuse for the producers to get one explosion into this episode.

Charlie almost made you forget his transgressions with his selfless act. I was touched when he was brought to tears on the outrigger just before diving in the water to go to the Looking Glass station. I thought he might drown right after getting in the water. Way to compose yourself Charlie!

Line of the night (after Carl arrives at the Losties' camp):
Carl: "She's a spy!"
Juliette: "They know Carl...but thanks for that."

And hello sexy, gun-toting occupants of the Looking Glass! Has Charlie actually arrived at the Castle Anthrax? Will the spanking be followed by the oral sex? And oh yeah, have you seen a switch with a yellow light over it?

#129. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 17, 2007 2:15 PM

@128
The tsunami was not in 2006.

#130. Posted by: JT at May 17, 2007 2:18 PM

@128
Can't be the tsunami because at this point in time, they are in late 2004 still.

Only about 90 days have passed since they crashed on the island.

#131. Posted by: MIchael at May 17, 2007 2:19 PM

Sorry...typo...should have been 04.

Thanks.

#132. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 17, 2007 2:20 PM

Ben's Birthday is 12/22. The tsunami was on 12/26. It is a highly probably theory that Charlie flipping the switch could cause the tsunami. I doubt that is the case, but it could happen. The bulk of the camp is moving toward higher ground, so a tsunami could be in the future for LOST Island. The tsunami may allow Charlie to escape the Looking Glass as well.

#133. Posted by: onelostdude at May 17, 2007 2:30 PM

129)

Why wouldn't Charlie still be able to hit the switch in the finale? I would have been surprised if he had done it last night. I expect the switch he hits will flood the station, insuring his demise.

#134. Posted by: kevin at May 17, 2007 2:31 PM

For those waiting for Locke to be rescued, keep in mind that Rousseau has been with our Losties, so she's not likely to be involved. But Alex (and Richard Alpert) both seem concerned that Locke did not return with Ben, and their whereabouts during this time period are still unknown.

#135. Posted by: Buck41 at May 17, 2007 2:32 PM

I froze the screen for nexts weeks preview and I could swear it is Locke behind Syiad, Bernard and Jin when they are captured.

I think Locke comes up to the Others that have them captured and saves the tri-dynamite guys.

#136. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 17, 2007 2:37 PM

loved the line "testify sayid"!

I think Juliet marking the tents is a total giveaway. she was supposed to mark them a day later. either that or the big trail the losties are going to leave is going let others know losties plan.

I thought the whole ben+alex+gun thing was wiered. Alex usually uses her slingshot and not a gun. so it is kind of unusual for her to give the gun to Locke, that too in-front of Ben. Now Ben is visibly pissed, but gives back the gun to Alex. why would you do that if you are pissed someone turning against you?

The episode where Mr.Eko died, he said something to Locke and he told the bystanders, "we are next". I remember seeing Nikki+Paulo, Sayid, Locke & Charlie. Nikki & Paulo are dead, Locke is shot and might die. now, Charlie is underwater and per Desmond he should die. Will it be Sayid's turn to die when the others come?


#137. Posted by: aj at May 17, 2007 2:39 PM

The problem with Desmond's current Flashes is that we did not see them; he only told us about them. When Des says he saw Claire and Aaron boarding a helicopter, it is Charlie who assumes they are being rescued. (I thought it could be the Others transporting the women to another island). The most telling aspect of Desmond-Charlie portion of the ep was Desmond said he was supposed to replace Charlie. Why? Just like he replaced Radz in the hatch? As Claire's protector? It is like Dez is working his way up the island ladder (by taking someone else's position) under some ultimate vision of getting rescued. But someone must die in order for him to advance.

#138. Posted by: welh at May 17, 2007 2:46 PM

Is there a problem with the site--seems like there are a lot more accidental double postings than normal. We should have no trouble beating last weeks record total # of postings!

I still think Charlie will die. He'll flip the switch as the station is filling with water and he will drown. Des and he just assumed it would be immediate because they had heard the station was already flooded.

#139. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 17, 2007 2:55 PM


@97 I can't be the only
who thought when Rose said to Bernard, "Let's get you into
something dark…" that there may have been a little sexual innuendo there

Hilarious!!

#140. Posted by: T at May 17, 2007 2:56 PM

@Alex (Not Rousseau)/129 - "And oh yeah, have you seen a switch with a yellow light over it?"

We've already got one! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

#141. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 3:00 PM

GRAA Mac,
Next week is going to rock with the Finale for both Heroes and Lost. I can't wait - I really can't, especially for LOST. My Tivo crapped out the last two minutes and I didn't get to see the Looking Glass at all - sux
I love how in the beginning Charlie again brings up that there's all these secrets and no one puts things in the open. Later in the episode when they talk about hiking to the radio tower Claire exclaims, "Radio Tower?"
Anyways next week and then siesta.

Favorite MACism : "It's just indigestion brutha!"

#142. Posted by: callaway76 at May 17, 2007 3:02 PM

anyone else think that the dark-haired woman in the looking glass looked like sawyer's ex and kate's helper?

#143. Posted by: Mike L at May 17, 2007 3:10 PM

Just a quick note to say that I went into Night & Day on Oldham Street in Manchester (where Driveshaft played) today, and told the bemused barman that they had to tape Lost on Sunday night on Sky One!

#144. Posted by: Danny at May 17, 2007 3:12 PM

My first thought of the two women in the Looking Glass were "are they from the second row" groupies?

#145. Posted by: welh at May 17, 2007 3:13 PM

(now i need to figure out whether or not we've seen cindy on dry land since the locke bombed the sub)

→ 41. Posted by: amanda

I believe we saw Cindy when Locke's dad was tied up to the big post and Locke was supposed to kill him. A lot of the Others came out of their tents and I thought it paused on Cindy. Could be wrong, I'm going from memory.

#146. Posted by: GFish at May 17, 2007 3:14 PM

Danny, I don't quite understand your post.

#147. Posted by: ANTP? at May 17, 2007 3:16 PM

@45 and Mac:
Doesnt locke drop the gun when "jacob" starts to rumble the shack??? Remember all mighty Locke made a run for it. he might've dropped it then no?
Also the way Benry comes back to Bennsylvannia is like a Viking telling his people they will pillage maim and destroy everything in their path. It was hilarious. He looked so "mean and scary" hahahaha.
Does anyone else notice how hot Alex is???
There is no way in hell that woman is Benry's daughter. She's cool and sexy whereas Benry is ugly and a weirdo.
Drifted there for a second. Sorry.
Is charlie really going to get wacked in this show?? I know he's pretty useless and all but he's kindda grown on us. I was pretty much on the edge of my seat waiting for his death last night, when he comes up to breath was quite a surprise and kindda relief and then the women with guns come. el crap-o charlie! I guess now he HAS to go huh?

#148. Posted by: mapache at May 17, 2007 3:21 PM

1- Karl had to row to Lost Island - therefore Ben and his crew would not have heard the explosion.
2 - Did we forget that Bensylvania is on the OTHER island (but I don't understand why they seem to be moving / hiding all the time)
3 - I love MAC and everyone's comments - keep 'em coming. Thanks.

#149. Posted by: Tiff at May 17, 2007 3:22 PM

@ANTP? Charlie told Naomi that his band played the Night & Day and she knew where it was because they're both from Manchester.

#150. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 17, 2007 3:23 PM

I liked this ep., even if it was *filler* and before I forget, a big Shout Out to Mac for all of his great reviews, sure am going to miss them and this show over the summer.

Now, down to business: The cable struck me as very strange. In earlier eps, it was clearly exposed, twisted metal. In other words, it was a cable. In this ep, it looked like a black garden hose and, based upon the ease of keeping it over the outrigger, very light. Why would it be different? More importantly, if it is a hose, perhaps it is not a power source but a source of air/oxygen for the Looking Glass. Second, where is the other end (the Island based one)? Is it tethered to something? Why didn't they look/find it?

The Looking Glass: The collection was Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The first (sometimes called Alice in Wonderland) was a story about a girl named Alice, who runs after a rabbit goes down the rabbit hole and has a series of adventures. Alice has actually fallen asleep at a picnic and essentially the story is a card game. The second story, Through the Looking Glass, is where Alice again following the Rabbit goes through the mirror and has a second series of adventures. This story is a chess match.

I thought is was *very* interesting that the Looking Glass station was guarded by women, when the other hatches were guarded by men. I am sure this is important and we will eventually find out why. I think they are Dharma--in khaki suits.

Doesn't Hurley's imaginary friend Dave have the initials DS?

Locke is not dead and Ben is clearly worried about his grip on the Others. He knows he needs to act quickly, which is why he made up the *Jacob said* nonsense. BTW, Richard seemed alarmed that Locke didn't return.

#151. Posted by: boharpe at May 17, 2007 3:24 PM

@149

I assumed that Karl used the outrigger to save time - that he could row around to the Losties camp faster than the team could get through the jungle.

#152. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 3:25 PM

***Possible Spoiler***

I tried to post this, but it had a link in it, so I don't know, but I was checking lost media and looking at the pictures from the preview for next weeks episode and thought I saw Jack's dad (he looks more like he did in 24) in the following picture:

tinyurl*com/2rr6m8

Does anyone else see the resemblance?

***End Potential Spoiler***

#153. Posted by: trevenator at May 17, 2007 3:27 PM

Where did all this tsunami nonsense come from in the first place?

#154. Posted by: markthefish at May 17, 2007 3:31 PM

A coworker of mine made an interesting point. If Juliet knew about the looking glass station, why didn't she know that people were down there? I still think she has something sneaky planned.

#155. Posted by: Jim at May 17, 2007 3:33 PM

@ Tiff/149: Bennsylvania, IS on our Island, NOT on Alcatraz.

@Boharpe/151: Sayid did once follow the cable inland- after awhile it became buried and he could no longer follow it. This is the epiode where he first meets Russeau.
As far as it's ambiguous weight and purpose... who knows : )

#156. Posted by: sarah c at May 17, 2007 3:33 PM

@ 154

They're referencing the tsunami that hit on Dec 26th 2004.

The creators of Lost mentioned in a recent interview that the tsunami might be featured in a future episode.

If the losties have been on the island for 90-91 days, then it is Dec 23, 2004 on the island.

#157. Posted by: Josh at May 17, 2007 3:34 PM

@ 154

They're referencing the tsunami that hit on Dec 26th 2004.

The creators of Lost mentioned in a recent interview that the tsunami might be featured in a future episode.

If the losties have been on the island for 90-91 days, then it is Dec 23, 2004 on the island. Also Ben's birthday is Dec 22. Last night's episode happened the day after Ben's birthday, making it the 23rd of Dec

#158. Posted by: Josh at May 17, 2007 3:35 PM

im not a big poster on these blogs but i have to say that the one thing that i look forward to every thursday at work is reading Key Points From ... the only disappointment in reading it is getting to the ending. the reviews are so well thought out and very humorous. i thank you very much MAC for giving me something to get me through thursdays!!!

#159. Posted by: LockesLeftKidney at May 17, 2007 3:37 PM

@Hurling72

I think I see an "alien"! White, with two big black eyes, and little dot for nose/mouth.

#160. Posted by: Len at May 17, 2007 3:40 PM

@121, @125

Do they even have an axe? I haven't kept an inventory of their tools.

WGNABA - We're gonna need a bigger axe

#161. Posted by: gk at May 17, 2007 3:42 PM

How awesome would it be in Michael and Walt come back in the finale? I think it would round out the season nicely. There still hasn't been any follow up to what happened to them since the beginning of the season. I'm not sure how they'd tie it in though - maybe Walt will save Locke! Haha :)

#162. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 17, 2007 3:44 PM

If Locke was around he probably would have chewed through the cable to keep them from getting off the island...

#163. Posted by: ac at May 17, 2007 3:45 PM

I'm having issues with Naomi. She keeps talking about the plane crash as if it is ancient history... it was only 90 days ago! And I also thought it was odd that Drive Shaft could have gotten a new album out so quickly as well. And when Sayid saw the Sat Phone, he mentioned it was technology more advanced that anything he'd had experience with.

Now, I am not a fan of the Time Travel theory, but between Desmond's flashes and the fact that it seems Naomi is from the Losties Future, and Alpert's inability to age, I can't help but think this is a valid plot assumption.

Any other clues I missed that could lead to a similar theory?

#164. Posted by: sarah c at May 17, 2007 3:46 PM

What's with all the double/triple posts?

#165. Posted by: Len at May 17, 2007 3:47 PM

Any other clues I missed that could lead to a similar theory?

→ 164. Posted by: sarah c

How about Mittelos being an anagram for Lost Time?

And the backwards message that said "only fools are enslaved by Time and Space." from Karl's brainwashing.

#166. Posted by: GFish at May 17, 2007 3:51 PM

@ 165

Sorry bout that. wanted to add something to my original point and accidently double clicked the post button

#167. Posted by: Josh at May 17, 2007 3:51 PM

@164 Sarah

90 Days is no time to get a greatest hits album out and you can be sure that in real life, there are people out there who will capitalize on the death of a rock star by releasing stuff ASAP. It's happened before..you want to get the sympathy purchase dollars right away and hence release that stuff immediately. Nothing at all unusual about that.

My take on Sayid's comment about the phone was that generally speaking, when one thinks of the weapons and equipment that a middle eastern country's military forces have access to, you think of used equipment from the former Soviet Union or old stuff they picked up through the black market. That's the stereoptypical thought.

That phone came from a Widmore financed operation and as such, I'm sure the producers wanted to convey that this was a state of the art search operation with a lot of dollars invested in it.

#168. Posted by: petew at May 17, 2007 3:58 PM

Okay, the bad thing about being out here is when I wake up on Thursday there are already 100 posts, and no doubt there are more being posted as I craft this, so sorry if someone has said somehitng in the mean time that I end up repeating!

Great review Mac! I think you were right on about the restraint the writers used in the goodbye kiss. I know this is just a "filler" episode is some eyes, but it was actually one of my favorite hours of Lost. Charlie doing his ode to Nick Horsnby's "High Fidelity" (Top five greatest moments that don't involve heroin addiction!), and all five scenes as the flashbacks were well done. The goodbye scenes with Claire, Hurley and Desmond were all pitch perfect. Rose and Jack's moment was great, so was Jin confronting Sun about what the tape said (and her lying response to spare him anxiety over her kidnap/death by pregnancy). Sayid is back as the mastermind (and so was Nadia in a coinky dink I didn't expect!). One of my favorite moments of the night was Alex skinning the bunny, and Ben hands her back her gun. In one brief scene he lets her know she failed, that he's on to her, and she LITERALLY has blood on her hands. Can not WAIT until next week!

@Joss/1
Congrats on being first, but, um...
"Great review as always Mac! You're the best and I'm looking forward to another summer without your thoughts..."
HUH?!?

@Don/2 Maybe the implant was a one use type of thing? Or am I too blinded by the hope of Juliet's goodness?

@Toni/8
"Great Review (as usual) So the question I have is did Desmond "know" that Charlie wasn't going to be able to flip the switch and die so easily?"

Exactly what I was thinking! Maybe Des knows the station is filled with beautiful women. He sent Charlie in cause Des is committed to the Penster, and wanted to hook a single brother up. But once he reads Charlie's "Greatest Hits", he knows Charlie would be too blinded by love for Claire to take "advantage" of the situation, so figures, "What the heck? No use letting hot StarGate Atlantis chicks go to waste!" Of course, a swiftly swung oar leaves him only dreaming of the possibilities!

@Sam/10
No, you are not first.

@ac/36
You're responding to post 37, bit you are post 36? Are you having Desmonitions of your own? Ben was left alone in the house by Locke once Locke ran out the dorr, Jacob COULD have given Ben instructions then. But I doubt he did, I'm in the camp that Ben is making it all up to suit his own agenda.

@Amanda/41
Um, we've seen Cindy a bunch of times since Locke "blew up" the sub. Locke helps her set up her tent. She watches with the children as Locke fails to kill his dad.

@T-Spoon/54
Under your theory, exactly when did Annie change her name to Danielle and start speaking in a French accent? I've heard of Long Cons, but come on!

@Andrew/65 (and 68 and 69)
Yes, they are both from Manx, but Charlie is playing in London. His list says he is outside of Covent Garden when the lady calls him a hero.

@Cecil Rose/75
@Jenna/78
The clip show is tonight. It appears to re-air next wednesday at 8 (unless there are TWO clip shows). The two hour finale is next week at 9. "She's my daughter AND my sister!"

#169. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 17, 2007 4:05 PM

Quick shout-out to a few new and cool handles on the blog: katespanties, Shannon...But I don't date my Brother, and Deep Diver. Very nice!

Couple thoughts/points:

@ mac: solid recap today! much appreciated. but...I have to say...I was so disappointed that you kept writing 'future-flashes' instead of Des-monitions. I'm sure you did it cause Charlie kept saying it in the ep. I'll let it slide...until next week when we get to actually see the full Des-monition w/ pictures and all. No way Des told Charlie the whole story, no way.

-My first thought on the dude that robbed Nadia was that it was Liam when he was on drugs, at his worst struggling.

Junior Swim Champ: There's been a ton of talk about how Jack already knew that Charlie couldn't swim. I agree. But how 'bout the fact that Juliette also knew that Charlie couldn't swim-a-lick as well. The Others had files on all of the Losties with the information that was gathered in The Flame station. I'm sure that Juliette studied-up before she went to the beach. I noticed that Juliette's head popped-up a lil bit when Charlie said he was Champ and could hold his breath for 4mins. She and Jack knew he was lying. Soooooooo what does this mean? We may eventually get to see the double-cross shimmy-dimmy-doo coming up.

Ben with gun to shoot Locke: I thought Locke took off everything relating to technology before entering Jacob's love-shack? Including his gun.

Looking Glass Station: Horrid theory but what the heck. QUARANTINE has been seen on the island. What if Ben set up a controlled living experiment on his own in the Looking Glass after the Purge? He was 'one of the smart ones' and maybe he sparred a few hot chicks and said "You wanna live? You wanna ever have a baby? Well get-to-swimmin'!" and they've been living down there ever since. If they are not living on the island, they are not directly exposed to the 'virus' causing women to fail with their pregnancies. Ben tells everyone the station has been flooded so nobody investigates. Even Jules doesn't know.

@ Christine/#55: Awesome theory about the chicks in the Looking Glass being with Naomi. But may I add this....Naomi is pro'ly not telling us the whole truth some suspect. What if she wasn't in a helicopter (ejection speculation applies) but in a plane. The plane flies over, she jumps out w/ her parachute, a mini-sub is also dropped into the water to go directly to the Looking Glass. Everyone thinks that it was Naomi's busted helicopter that fell into the ocean but nobody saw it (I think Jack may have questioned this an ep or 2 back). That could explain how they got down there (by using blow-hole under station) and why they were so freaked out when Charlie arrived.

2nd to lastly: Anyone wanna bet next weeks ep begins with an eyeball shot of Locke?

And lastly: Was it just me, or did one of the birds Charlie bagged look a little like Cindy or what!?!?

#170. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 17, 2007 4:09 PM

as always mac great great recap.

i believe juliette is playing both sides and that jack knows this and is using that to his/losties advantage.

jack still gets on my nerves and probably always will. charlie is annoying but he grows on you so cant help but root for him.

very curious as to who dimes out the losties, when we find this out will this person be the mole that has long been predicted to be amongst the group?

very muck looking forward to the two hour finale. :)

#171. Posted by: tiffani at May 17, 2007 4:10 PM

Maybe the whole Cindy thing is Lost's version of where's waldo, kinda like it was done with a superman reference in every episode of Seinfeld?

#172. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 17, 2007 4:13 PM

GRAA, Mac!

I guess the producers found a way to deal with the "I can't swim" statement from Charlie in season one. Perhaps he was trying to protect his drug stash from getting wet. One thing I did notice is that the Looking Glass Hatch is located near the site where Naomi's heli landed in the water. I hope that next week's finale gives us some answers about her. And I know, I could check out spoiler sites BUT I want my season finale to be as shocking as possible.

#173. Posted by: amelia at May 17, 2007 4:15 PM

GRAA, Mac!

I guess the producers found a way to deal with the "I can't swim" statement from Charlie in season one. Perhaps he was trying to protect his drug stash from getting wet. One thing I did notice is that the Looking Glass Hatch is located near the site where Naomi's heli landed in the water. I hope that next week's finale gives us some answers about her. And I know, I could check out spoiler sites BUT I want my season finale to be as shocking as possible.

#174. Posted by: amelia at May 17, 2007 4:16 PM

GRAA, Mac!

I guess the producers found a way to deal with the "I can't swim" statement from Charlie in season one. Perhaps he was trying to protect his drug stash from getting wet. One thing I did notice is that the Looking Glass Hatch is located near the site where Naomi's heli landed in the water. I hope that next week's finale gives us some answers about her. And I know, I could check out spoiler sites BUT I want my season finale to be as shocking as possible.

#175. Posted by: amelia at May 17, 2007 4:16 PM

@56 Sarah

Jack didn't send Rousseau away - he just said she couldn't stay and be a sniper. Although, why? Certainly she's probably a good shot, living alone all those years.

I wonder when we're going to get a backstory on her?

#176. Posted by: Kristine at May 17, 2007 4:17 PM

#140 T - No, you and my girlfriend, who i begged to finally stop laughing so I could watch the rest of the show (though the more she laughed, the more I did)

#177. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 17, 2007 4:24 PM

@ransomjackson, #97 - All Hail the Return of Rose and Bernard! I can't be the only who thought when Rose said to Bernard, "Let's get you into something dark…" that there may have been a little sexual innuendo there.

"John Locke's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, But his soul goes marching on. Glory, glory, hallelujah, Glory, glory, hallelujah, …"


Two REALLY great ones, rj - LOFL

@Wade, #100 - Let me toss this out there for what it is worth...what if Desmond's vision of Charlie throwing the switch is not supposed to occur today? Does Desmond really know EXACTLY when these visions are supposed to take place, other than at "some time in the future?" What if Charlie is destined to throw that switch in a room with a flashing yellow light during Season 6, Episode 16? Charlie still dies a noble death, the rescue choppers arive, and all of us sit around talking about the brilliance of the writers pre-planning this dramatic exit of Charlie's character more than 3 seasons before.

You couldn't be more right. In fact, Charlie asked Desmond WHEN this was to occur and the reply was, "I don't know."

@Flori, #82 and #101 - Just want to make a comment, the T-shirt that Charlie was wearing has two Chinese character on it : Courage and Belief. How appropriate for this episode

Do you post the same comment every 22 minutes or so?


@Alex (Not Rousseau),#129 - I completely agree that Jack & Rousseau wasted perfectly good dynamite on a tree. I guess it was an excuse for the producers to get one explosion into this episode.

That's why they couldn't use dynamite on the cable :>)

#129 - And hello sexy, gun-toting occupants of the Looking Glass! Has Charlie actually arrived at the Castle Anthrax? Will the spanking be followed by the oral sex? And oh yeah, have you seen a switch with a yellow light over it?

Perhaps a red light?

#178. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 4:25 PM

The brunette in the LG is not Sawyer's ex. I looked at her pic at lostmedia.

One quick thing about Locke...both he and Walt are/were "special". Maybe not only Locke could hear Jacob, but so could Walt. That is why Ben got rid of both of them.

#179. Posted by: carphalen5150 at May 17, 2007 4:27 PM

Excellent review mac. I posted my 2 cents worth over in the "Key Points from The Man Behind the Curtain" last night. Let's just say I have a huge hangover today.
I rewatched the epi this morning and see that Alex had the blood of some poor bunny on her hands when Ben got back to the camp. She must be a pretty fast hand washer cause she didn't have a drop on her when whe ran to tell Karl to get "hopping."
Getting a little tired of all the bunny hatin...

#180. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 17, 2007 4:28 PM

@Red...Neck...Man/170
"And lastly: Was it just me, or did one of the birds Charlie bagged look a little like Cindy or what!?!?"

I thought they both looked like Cindy. And I just looked in the mirror and *I* look like Cindy too!

#181. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 4:29 PM

@ RNM - Couldn't have been Cindy... no scarf. (No clothes for that matter.)

@ hurling
Can I borrow your scarf?

#182. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 17, 2007 4:36 PM


Sorry about the triple posts! geez!!!

I think it has something to do with the posting filter. It told me to post again, so I did. Mac?

On an entirely different note (but still Lost related); earlier this week, I was at home w/ strep throat and spent that horrific ordeal in bed watching, of course, Lost, Season 1. In "Solitary", Sayid found a cable on the beach which led him to one of Danielle's traps. While hanging upside down from a tree, Sayid begins to pray in Arabic but then in English he says "what happened to Danielle" well before he even knew about her. In "Live Together, Die Alone", he's on the boat with Jin and Sun, he's praying and in his prayer he says something like "I'm here to save the Island". I had to listen to this a gazillion times, making sure that I wasn't hallucinating from the massive meds I was given, but it's clear that he's interjected Danielle and the Island into his prayers. Now I need to find out Sayid's connection to the island. Anyone??

#183. Posted by: amelia at May 17, 2007 4:41 PM

Did anyone notice Charlie's T Shirt? It had the Chinese characters for Gullible and Smackhead. Oh, I mean Courage and Belief.

@Pieces of Artz/98
Who did, indeed let those doggies out? The question, like how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop, may never be answered.

@Josh/157
Did the producers say the _tsunami_ would factor in or just that _real world events_ would factor in? I will be REALLY disappointed if the Tsunami comes into play in any way...

#184. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 17, 2007 4:42 PM

@Crispy Seaplanes, #139 - Is there a problem with the site--seems like there are a lot more accidental double postings than normal. We should have no trouble beating last weeks record total # of postings!

People can't wait to line up for a delicious breakfast of (fanfare please), CRISPY SEAPLANES!!!

#185. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 4:43 PM

This "other island" thing is quite confusing. Oceanic flight 815 when it blows up above Bennsylvania and splits, it lands in the same island as the "Others'" camp or on the second islan??? If so how did the evil Ethan get there so fast? If Bennry and the rest of the Other tribe are migrating are they doing so from Other island or from lostie island??? Can anyone please explain the deal with the two islands.

#186. Posted by: mapache at May 17, 2007 4:44 PM

@RNM/170
I am pretty sure it was not Cindy. But it very well could have been Kitty Karry-All, she's been missing for quite some time!

#187. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 17, 2007 4:46 PM

Does anyone know of a website with some sort of map of Lostie or Other island so there is a better understaniding of the two island deals????
Anyone???

#188. Posted by: mapache at May 17, 2007 4:50 PM

@Mapache/188

The only time we've seen the second island is during the first half of this season. The Hydra station (with the shark tank and operating theater) is there, so are the bear cages, the brain washing room, and the quarry Sawyer and Kate are put to work in. After Kate and Sawyer take Alex's boat and head back to the main island, so do the Others. Bennsylvania, the beach camp, the radio tower, the fake village, Jacob's house, the dark territory, the Pearl, the Staff, the Arrow, the Swan, the Flame, the ruins, the Sonic not-quite-Death Fence, all on the same, main island.

#189. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 17, 2007 4:56 PM

To clarify - Bennsylvania is on the main island where the Losties crashed. The Cages of Love and the rest of the science station are on island #2.

#190. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 17, 2007 4:57 PM

@mapache 186/188.

Try typing lost island map into google. The first result is a blog that has a map. lostmap blogspot. The 2nd island is at the very bottom of the map. Very tiny in comparison to the rest of the island.

The only thing on the small "alcatraz" island was the cages and the Hydra station.

#191. Posted by: GFish at May 17, 2007 5:05 PM

@189
Thanks, but i am still confused. On the last episode the Others are waiting for Benry and Locke to come back. Only Benry comes back from Jacobs house and wacking Locke at the Dharma mass grave, yet Karl takes the boat and rows to the Losties island. When did Benry and the Others get to Cage island???? I mean you say that Jacobs house is on the main isalnd, but on this episode it doesnt seem so that way.
Can anyone clarify this or did the writers screw up?

#192. Posted by: mapache at May 17, 2007 5:07 PM

Two islands is easy. They landed on THE island, which is also where Bennsylvania and the others are ocated. Kate Sawyer and Jack got taken to a DIFFERENT island with cages and tanks and rocks and stuff. Ben showed Sawyer the home island from the top of the prison island, to dissuade him from trying to escape. kate and sayer took karl's outrigger home, leaving Jack. When Ben was recovering from jack's back surgery, all of the others, plus Jack, also took small boats over to the home island - now everyone is on the same, original island. Except Charlie, Des, the two chicks under water, walt and michael.
Locke took his gun off when he went to see jacob, ben picked it up and used that same gun on him, and gave it back to Alex (who is growing up nicely, is she not?)
I would not try to cut a electrical cable with an axe, even if it had a wood handle, and i'm only going to post this once, even if the site tells me to hit it again.
finally - charlie and wonderwall - the line is something about "maybe, your gonna be the one to save me . . ." interesting song to keep showing a supposedly doomed guy singing.

#193. Posted by: JT at May 17, 2007 5:10 PM

#192 @mapache

I don't believe it was a mistake. It was faster for Carl to take the boat than to trek on foot to the Losties Beach Camp.

#194. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 17, 2007 5:11 PM

Just a thought, could it possible by that the two women in the hatch be Dharma like Desmond was before Locke discovered the first hatch??

The preview for next week made it seem that Jack was going to sacrifice himself, hence him telling Kate he loves her, also it dose show Desmond with a rifle in the hatch, and it looks like Ben meets the Losties at the tower, and .. and.. and.. oh heck with it, Man I can't wait...

Keep up the great work Mac, can't believe after next week we won't hear from you till February when next season starts. WAAA


Oh well

Peace

Kalico

#195. Posted by: Kalico at May 17, 2007 5:12 PM

wow lots of posters jumped on the two island thing while i was typing, poorly. now, about Cindy's scarf . . .

#196. Posted by: jt at May 17, 2007 5:15 PM

@Mapache/192

Carl left one point on the island, where the Others are, and paddled to a second point on the SAME island, where the beach camp is. He did not switch islands. These are not the droids you are looking for.

#197. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 17, 2007 5:16 PM

ok thanks for the clarification there Obi.....

#198. Posted by: mapache at May 17, 2007 5:22 PM

Great Review and posts.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but the cable going to the beach is not a power cable. I was just rewatching the ep, and diagram that Sayid has shows the cable. It is labled "Anchor to Island." And shows it going to a square which could be a pole on the island. So, hey, maybe this was an inconsistancy after all.

#199. Posted by: RickN at May 17, 2007 5:32 PM

People just noticed the date on the show is nearing when the tsunami took place. They theorized about the island being affected since it is potentially somewhere near that part of the world.
Maybe the tsunami fills up the Rabbit station and that's how Charlie drowns as he finally flips the switch.

Also #149--Bensylvania is on the main island. It was the other station with the bear cages and the dolphin tank that was on the other island. Karl used the outrigger so he could get to Lostie beach faster than the others

#200. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 17, 2007 5:38 PM

bit (Butch is two-hundredth)

#201. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 5:42 PM

dag nab it!

The breakfast beat me to it.

#202. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 5:44 PM

@50 - The Other Other - "Someone watching the show with me tried to explain that Ben could have always left messages on the back side of the tape, and Jules just knew, but that wouldn't explain how the Jack and her knew the attack was in two days."

I'm pretty sure that when Ben and Juliet are discussing plans in Other Village Ben says "I'll see you in 5 days". This was right before they all left and Kate and Jules were handcuffed together.

#203. Posted by: Brian at May 17, 2007 5:45 PM

dag nab it, the breakfast man beat me to it.

#204. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 5:46 PM

@50 - The Other Other - "Someone watching the show with me tried to explain that Ben could have always left messages on the back side of the tape, and Jules just knew, but that wouldn't explain how the Jack and her knew the attack was in two days."

I'm pretty sure that when Ben and Juliet are discussing plans in Other Village Ben says "I'll see you in 5 days". This was right before they all left and Kate and Jules were handcuffed together.

#205. Posted by: Brian at May 17, 2007 5:46 PM

Jack looks way too much like Nomar to be a leader. Thanks Beautiful

#206. Posted by: lostsox at May 17, 2007 5:49 PM

Give it up Butch, no one really cares who is first, much less 200th.

#207. Posted by: dick at May 17, 2007 5:49 PM

Sorry about the double post - I actually shut the computer off when I realized I left a word out of the first post, but it went thru anyway.

For those of you who hate me for it, let me just say, "It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chewed my ass out all day."

#208. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 5:50 PM

Ok, I'm not even kidding this time.
Kill off Charlie or don't kill him off! Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. He is the sole purpose of my name dominoghan. But, come on! I cried three times for nothing! Is he going to die or not?

Apparently not yet, since in the previews I saw those chicks on anabolic steroids slapping him across the face. (I SWEAR i saw a bald spot on one of their heads!)

Also, I still think Ben looks like a turtle with glasses.

#209. Posted by: dominoghan at May 17, 2007 5:50 PM

@dick - I see you spell your name with a small "d." Hey dude, it's all in fun - just a little game a few of us play ;>)

dwasd - dick with a small d

#210. Posted by: ButchM at May 17, 2007 5:55 PM

When is Rose going to call her boss Marshal Samuel Gerard to kick all the other's butts?

#211. Posted by: PenFoe at May 17, 2007 6:16 PM

New Nickname

Cindy = Scarfy

#212. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 17, 2007 6:19 PM

is it just me or did anyone else hear someone calling "Desmond" in the background at the swimming pool in charlies flashback?

#213. Posted by: joe lostfan at May 17, 2007 6:26 PM

is it just me or did anyone else hear someone calling "Desmond" in the background at the swimming pool in charlies flashback?

#214. Posted by: joe lostfan at May 17, 2007 6:27 PM

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but does anyone remember early in season one, a blond female castaway was pulled out to sea with the currents, and went under before anyone could swim out to save her??? I remember TPTB saying something about 'seeing her again' sometime. That's the first time I thought there might be an underwater hatch. She got pulled under way to fast for it to be a natural drowning.

#215. Posted by: Gail at May 17, 2007 6:28 PM

This was great! The review was perfect! Congrats :)

#216. Posted by: Angela at May 17, 2007 6:41 PM

Re: Ben saying that Jacob ordered the attack be carried out earlier

I'm not sure Jacob actually ordered the attack. I think Ben decided to move the attack up on his own. This will a) take much needed attention away from Locke being missing; b) surprise Juliet who Ben doesn't trust anymore (Ben of course would have had no idea that Alex would send for help or that Carl could paddle the outrigger like an Olympic champion); and c) He would want to exact "vengeance" quickly for his loss of connection with the island. Ben was very upset that someone other than him (Locke) could hear Jacob. His rage was taken out on Locke and will continue on the Losties. Plus, I'm sure Ben has grown tired of dealing with the problems the Losties bring to the table. They have posed Ben with his most serious leadership crisis since the great ice cream famine of '98.

And Ben's line "Locke had an accident" was classic, well, Ben.

Ben=Liar

#217. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 17, 2007 7:30 PM

@Len #62 (I think...)

You said to check out the Looking Glass station's Dharma logo upside down...I saw a shot of it on another side and checked it out...

To me, it looked like an upside down rocking chair (Jacob???)...is that what you meant?

On a different note, I thought it was interesting that Naomi said something along the lines of "And look, you're not dead YET" to Charlie, right? Is there something more behind this comment...

Also, this may have been mentioned already, but there was a quick flash of Vincent on a leash as they left for he radio tower. Doesn't his appearance in a scene usually foreshadow someone's death???

#218. Posted by: Vikki at May 17, 2007 7:33 PM

A couple points i'd like to offer:

1. The scene with Ben and the others was vital, i believe. Alpert seemed very concerned about Locke's whereabouts and quite frustrated with Ben, as a leader. This leads me to believe that Alpert could be the co-leader or the leader beneath Ben. Alpert is also the full out leader of the hostiles. I believe that some of the Dharma faction, if any others weren't killed, have joined the hostiles with two different objectives. One would be Ben's (leader of Dharma sub-group), which is the solution to why preganancy deaths continue to occur. and the 2nd is inconclusive since we don't know Alpert's objective. But it probably has something to do with Jacob.

2. I believe the writers led us on to think Desmond was lying about the whole drowning scenario because Charlie couldn't flip the switch. I think he'll end up flipping that switch possibly in the next season or maybe right before the season finale ends, and die in the process :(

Anyways those are my two opions!
Can't wait for the finale!!!! wooo!!!

#219. Posted by: Ross at May 17, 2007 7:36 PM

A couple points i'd like to offer:

1. The scene with Ben and the others was vital, i believe. Alpert seemed very concerned about Locke's whereabouts and quite frustrated with Ben, as a leader. This leads me to believe that Alpert could be the co-leader or the leader beneath Ben. Alpert is also the full out leader of the hostiles. I believe that some of the Dharma faction, if any others weren't killed, have joined the hostiles with two different objectives. One would be Ben's (leader of Dharma sub-group), which is the solution to why preganancy deaths continue to occur. and the 2nd is inconclusive since we don't know Alpert's objective. But it probably has something to do with Jacob.

2. I believe the writers led us on to think Desmond was lying about the whole drowning scenario because Charlie couldn't flip the switch. I think he'll end up flipping that switch possibly in the next season or maybe right before the season finale ends, and die in the process :(

Anyways those are my two opinions!
Can't wait for the finale!!!! wooo!!!

#220. Posted by: Ross at May 17, 2007 7:37 PM

@Red...Neck...Man

Suggestion for question of the week:

"What mystery do you most want answered in the season finale?"

Just a very few:
Is Locke really dead?
Did Michael and Walt make it to safety already?
What food are the Losties feeding Vincent?
How does everyone look so good without the aid of sunblock?

#221. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 17, 2007 7:48 PM

@Bunny Lover/182 - The oddest thing has happened. I've never actually bought a scarf but I suddenly find my dresser chock-full of them. I tried to throw some away last week, but when I looked last night just before the show, there were even more new ones. You, and everyone here, are welcome to come take a few handfuls.


@amelia/183 - That is veeery interesting. Not just your garden-variety continuity error. Guess I'll be watching all 3 seasons back-to-back this summer.

#222. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 8:35 PM

@ButchM/201, 202, but not 204 - I was entertained (the first time, but not the second ;) ). As long as you have an audience of one, keep it up! :)

@everyone - just fyi, I always copy out my comment in case the browser fails. Then I check to see if my comment appeared before reposting. Not 100% foolproof as there is sometimes a several-minute delay before a new post appears, but it helps cut down on duplicates.

#223. Posted by: hurling at May 17, 2007 8:40 PM

The problem with the tsunami of Dec. 2004 being used on Lost is that, unless the Lost island is in the Indian Ocean, it would not have been much effected by that tsunami. So if it turns out that our Lostees have to contend with the 12/2004 tsunami, then that plane left Sydney and flew in the opposite direction it was supposed to have flown in.

#224. Posted by: undaunted at May 17, 2007 9:08 PM

The problem with the tsunami of Dec. 2004 being used on Lost is that, unless the Lost island is in the Indian Ocean, it would not have been much effected by that tsunami. So if it turns out that our Lostees have to contend with the 12/2004 tsunami, then that plane left Sydney and flew in the opposite direction it was supposed to have flown in.

#225. Posted by: undaunted at May 17, 2007 9:09 PM

Late thought here, hope one of you 240 posters have a comment for, lost fans rule! Did anyone else think it strange that we didn't actually see Desmond's full future flash for this version of Charlie's potential death? He only says drowning, not how, and we never see how. The cable in the ocean was from a prior future flash... but something seemed amiss to me about the Desmond/Charlie connection in last night's episode. Is Desmond on the up and up this time???

#226. Posted by: R at May 17, 2007 9:12 PM

@218 On a different note, I thought it was interesting that Naomi said something along the lines of "And look, you're not dead YET" to Charlie, right? Is there something more behind this comment...

I'm pretty sure Naomi said "You're not REALLY dead"

#227. Posted by: mrs dobalena at May 17, 2007 9:25 PM

@mac: I know you must love it when people quote stuff back to you, like you can’t remember what you wrote 10 hours ago. But that’s what happens when you’re a rock star.

• “What she doesn't realize is that he's hopped up on smack and thinks he's talking to a pregnant Easter bunny. Nonetheless, it's a lovely moment.” Aww, Charlie!
• “I sure hope Locke is a good clotter.” Me, too!

Nice to have an episode that reminds us why we liked Charlie enough to care what happens to him. (O great Lost scribes, first you make me like him again, and now I know you’re gonna kill him for sure! Maybe. Wait, is Dominic leaving the show, or what?)

The Losties hike out to the exploding mango-tree was cracking me up. Jack up front and everyone following single file. (No, all you extras stay back at camp, this scene is only for the people appearing in the credits. But don’t go anywhere, we’ll need you later to show what a great leader Jack is.) And then mute Rousseau appearing out of the jungle, holding up her detonator wires, and Jack showing off her new skills. Look, she can blow things up! Ooh! Ahh! (Reminded me of the Bumble putting the star on top of the Christmas tree in “Rudolph”).

I agree with the comments that Des didn’t share all of his Desmonition. In the episode were they found Naomi, he was adamant that everything had to occur exactly as he saw it for the outcome to be the same. I doubt he would have offered to change things this time by making the swim himself, unless there was more to his future-flash. (Unless he thought Charlie had to hit him over the head, but that makes no sense.)

And thank you very much tim/19 for calling out the writers on the old “hit-em-in-the-head, knock-em-unconscious” routine. Those “convenient naps” annoy me, too!

If Dexter Stratton was a great, great ancestor (wait, how many greats was he?), maybe he had some connection to the Black Rock. Just trying to fit the timeframe.

@74/76
Sorry you weren’t open to the possibility that Sun could be the 3rd shooter. She is indeed a bad-ass, so why not? And then mac added the next logical thought that it would make no sense to leave Sun behind. I doubt mac spends much time trying to “imply” he’s anything but what he is: a very good writer.

@Alex (Not Rousseau): You already mentioned my two favorite lines from the show, but they’re good enough to repeat. (Juliet and Ben are great at taking the wind out of people’s sails. It’s all in the delivery.)

• Richard: “What happened out there?” Ben: “John had an accident.”
• Carl: “She’s a spy!” Juliet: “They know Carl…but thanks for that.”

And I knew the guys would love the girls with guns in the underwater hatch. Very James Bond (but fully clothed, so sorry, boys).

@Shannon…But I don’t date my brother: Why, what’s wrong with him?

BTW, I think I spotted that stewardess lady. She was doing Carl’s laundry while Alex disemboweled his dinner. I think she got some blood on her scarf.

#228. Posted by: Clementine at May 17, 2007 9:34 PM

This is probably irrelevant but I just came back from church (today is Ascension of the Lord day), and yes, I am so crazy about lost, thought about Charlie . Didn't he use to be devout to a religion before he became a junkie.

Later he was even thinking on building a church with Mr Eko.

So, how come he doesn't pray or something when he knows he is facing death?

#229. Posted by: PH at May 17, 2007 9:53 PM

10 bucks the first thing the blond looking glass other says to charlie is

"Steve Sanders raped me after we left the Peach Pit!"

that is all I think of whenever I see that particular actress.

On a spoiler note, thankfully it appears from the previews that the finale will not be very similar to the spoiler synopsis....the "biggie" can still happen, but it appears everything else was foilerish.

#230. Posted by: Diggler at May 17, 2007 10:07 PM

@gk/161: Eko was using the axe to build his church. It's been seen several times.

#231. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 17, 2007 11:22 PM

@ #79 Dakota (waaaaay up there): "When they are holding Jack in the under water tank on the other Island and he flips that switch making the room begins to fill with water. Could this room be in anyway conected to the Looking Glass? Uh feel like its a good thought"

Actually I had a similar thuoght so I am glad someone touched upon it. I believe that Jack was holding Juliet captive when he made her open the door that started flooding the station. We all assumed that they were in an underwater station (Jack may have even said that).

So...were they really in an underwater station? Are there 2 underwater stations? Is The Looking Glass station really closer to the 'working' island (#2) then we think? Wasnt Jack drugged or something when he woke up the morning of Juliet's trial, when he was in a bear cage? Did we ever see how he left his original place of captivity? If Jack was really being held captive in The Looking Glass, then it would see Juliet is lying about never having been there, right? Ahhhh!!!!

Whew, those are a lot of questions. I'd like to see if anyone else has any ideas about these!!

#232. Posted by: Keluha at May 18, 2007 12:27 AM

DS on the the heirloom ring is meant to remind us of Drive Shaft.

In the end, Hurley is paying for a simulated adventure of a lifetime with his lottery money. (Did the van tag really spell LOTTERY backwards?) I'd put my money on it.

Rose's comment was more racial than sexual. As in, you are very white so let's put u in dark clothes. (Coming from a brownie in HI, that's our humor.)

Sidenote: my coworker saw the crew filming the canoe scene offshore. They had trouble with the canoe and it started to float away, so her friend had to swim over and help them with it. They don't watch the show so they couldn't give me any scoops (i.e. spoilers) ahead of time.

#233. Posted by: justlostkristi at May 18, 2007 12:35 AM

@Keluha/#232: According to the map found at the URL below (just replace the * w/periods), the Looking Glass hatch is just about as far away from Othertraz as you can get, as to get to the Looking Glass Charlie & Des followed Sayid's cable out into the ocean. So it appears that there are (at least) two underwater/partially underwater stations. Also, regarding the flooding of the place where Jack was initially held, wasn't it flooded when Jack opened a door?

www*lostpedia*com/wiki/Image:Theisland*png

#234. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at May 18, 2007 12:40 AM

169. Posted by: FenwayBen
YIPES! I meant I wasn't looking forward to a summer without the review. My brain's addled with the prospect of LOSTless summer I guess. Sorry Mac, hopefully you knew what I meant.

#235. Posted by: joss at May 18, 2007 12:42 AM

@hurling/post #181:

That was one of the funniest things I've read on here. It's amazing that everyone seems to see Cindy everywhere, but they don't remember seeing her where she actually was. Cindy is with the Others traipsing through the jungle -- we all saw her talking to Locke just before Ben tried to get him to kill his father in front of everyone.


@Alex (Not Rousseau)/post #194:

I don't think anyone else mentioned this with regards to Karl's outrigger, but I think it was fairly obvious (to me anyway) why he needed it. Karl's using it to get to the Losties camp was simply a plot device -- he could have ran to their camp, but the Losties needed the outrigger in order to get out to The Looking Glass. There is no way they would have been able to do this if Karl hadn't shown up with his outrigger.


@R/post #226:

I think Desmond's premonition was quite clear. It may be missing some parts (such as the time frame of WHEN Charlie flips the switch, and how long he is actually down in the underwater hatch), but Desmond clearly says he saw Charlie flip the yellow switch, and then the hatch filled up with water and Charlie drowns.

That yellow switch clearly maintains the pressurization in The Looking Glass in order to make it inhabitable under water. Once the switch is flipped, it will de-pressurize The Looking Glass, causing it to fill with water. Anyone inside will surely drown if there is no other way out, or no other source of air supply.

#236. Posted by: Stocky at May 18, 2007 12:45 AM

@Stocky/236
My CD collection is a great source of Air Supply. I'm all out of love, I'm so "Lost" without you...

#237. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 18, 2007 4:47 AM

I was about to make the same point as 224, The tsunami took place in Indonesia which is the Indian Ocean, and they are in the Pacific heading towards North America when they crashed, they have got to be several thousand miles east of the epicenter of the quake. The tsunami headed west, not east. Concerning the explosives, I don't think that the Others are close enough to hear the explosion, It seemed like a long trek for Ben's Commandos (half a day) Perhaps there was a lot of dynamite left on the Black Rock.

#238. Posted by: unladenswallow at May 18, 2007 4:56 AM

@mac - never again give me a spoiler link, even if I beg for it!! It totally ruined things for me. How do these people know what's going to happen??!! They should be arrested and thrown into a hatch!

@ButchM - I care!! Back off "Others!!"

@dick - very bad! We all know why you use small letters to spell that out. LOL

I wondered a few things after watching the episode. Why did Charlie have to knock Des out? Why didn't he simply say he wanted to go. Seemed like a little uselss violence to me.

Was that the "interesting story line" featuring Bernard and Rose? I hope not.

Why doesn't Kate wonder if she's pregnant? She seems a little removed from the situation. I don't know about you, but the first thing that would cross my mind is having to give birth without modern medicine (especially an epidural!). She takes it all in stride.

Why would they cut the cable if they really didn't know what the cable did?


#239. Posted by: meg at May 18, 2007 8:22 AM

Maybe the Jack cage was near a tunnel to the Looking Glass that flooded at some point. That could be why Juliet thinks that the LG is flooded. There are tunnels to the other hatches, why not the underwater one? The cage could have been near the ocean not necessarily IN the ocean. They are on islands and Jack's cage was designed to study Dharma sharks (the table, the observation glass).

#240. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 18, 2007 9:07 AM

Where did Sayeed get the map of the looking glass? I know he got it from somewhere, but I can't remember.

I am starting to believe there are still Dharma people around. Maybe the looking glass girls are Dharmites, or should I say Dharmettes?

#241. Posted by: meg at May 18, 2007 9:14 AM

REGARDING THE CABLE: You cannot power a station that big with a cable that small.

Based on the size of the Looking Glass station, it would require a cable MUCH thicker than an inch to power that whole thing. Most likely, the cable they found on the beach was a location marker, not a power cable. A real power cable would likely have been about 2-3 inches thick, at LEAST, not to mention it would have been shielded/protected which would make it even THICKER.

If you're going to supply power to an entire underwater base, you're going to make damn sure it's at LEAST strong enough so rats cant chew through it!

The bigger issue I was wondering is: how exactly do the people in the Looking Glass get their Dharma supplies/food/toilet paper/etc.?

#242. Posted by: Paul at May 18, 2007 9:33 AM

Sayid got the map of the Looking Glass from the Flame hatch, before Locke blew it up. He looked through the manuals he found, and kept pages he thought were important.

The tsunami (12/2004) went in all directions, but primarily west. Thailand is NE of the epicenter. Bali, where Naomi said the plan was found, is east of the epicenter, and would probably be protected. We know where the island SHOULD be (near FIJI?), but we do not really know where it is. we do not even know what ocean it is in. We just assume that they are in the South Pacific. The writers could easily bring the earthquake / tsunami into the storyline.

#243. Posted by: onelostdude at May 18, 2007 9:37 AM

Can anyone either confirm or deny that this is Dr. Christian Shepherd in the previews for next weeks finale?

tinyurl*com/2rr6m8

I thought he looked a lot like him. See previous post #153.

#244. Posted by: trevenator at May 18, 2007 9:38 AM


Is this whole thing really a CRS-type pay-to-play adventure game(i.e. Michael Douglas in "The Game")? Is that possible? Probable? I've seen it mentioned here as well as on some other sites, but am curious about the opinions of my fellow mac devotees!
Thoughts....

#245. Posted by: GatorGal at May 18, 2007 9:47 AM

@169-fENWAY BEN- Rousseau/Ben connection... I don't know when Annie became french or changed her name, and guess what? You don't know either, it's just my theory. i Do seem to remember that when rousseau caught Sayid, he told her what they had learned about the OTHERS,Rousseau said NO, not the others the "HOSTILES" I think that she rembers those people as being the HOSTILES. I think ben brain washed her,so that she can't remember or else he would have had to inclued her in the purge, and ben did not want to kill her.

#246. Posted by: T -spoon at May 18, 2007 10:01 AM

226R/236Stocky I'm thinking that Desmond saw Charlie drown after flipping the switch but it was Penny he saw in a helicopter. If he told Charlie that, he wouldn't undergo the dangerous underwater mission. He was definitely not sincere it what he told Charlie. I think that's why he'll end up swimming down there himself -guilt.

239/Meg I was wondering too why there wasn't any talk of Kate possibly being pregnant. You'd think James would have been concerned too. I don't recall if all the losties know the seriousness of pregnancies but Kate knows there's issues.

Did anyone see the question/answer show last night? Was there anything new that came out?

#247. Posted by: Nanc at May 18, 2007 10:11 AM

the blonde women in the looking glass station looked just like Jack's ex-wife.

#248. Posted by: Jonathan at May 18, 2007 10:15 AM

Lost's The Answers clip show last night was a misnomer. The creative team was a little too smug.
They said that they have told the fans that the characters are not in purgatory, but they went on to say that the characters are alive in their own space time continuum.
So that concept is the writer's magic box.
From wiki:
Spacetime is usually interpreted with space being three-dimensional and time playing the role of the fourth dimension. According to Euclidean space perception, our universe has three dimensions of space, and one dimension of time. Speculative theories such as string theory predict 10 or 26 dimensions.

Pairs of events in spacetime may be classified into 3 distinct types based on 'how far' apart they are:

time-like (more than enough time passes for there to be a cause-effect relationship between the two events; there exists a reference frame such that the two events occur at the same place);
light-like (the space between the two events is exactly balanced by the time between the two events);
space-like (not enough time passes for there to be a cause-effect relationship between the two events.) >>> this may be the explanation for the Desmonitions and why Charlie is not dead (yet).

>>> So the islanders not only fell from the sky, they fell into another space-time dimension, not readily visible or accessible from our normal perspective. But isn't purgatory/hell perceived to be in a different dimension?

#249. Posted by: welh at May 18, 2007 10:16 AM

@ Nanc/post#247:

The only thing I heard them say was that the "definitive" answer to how/why the plane crashed was that Desmond failed to push the button, the magnetic pulse went out, fried the plane's instruments, and the plane crashed. Of course, they didn't say why it was THAT particular plane, and they didn't say that it didn't crash for some greater purpose, with those particular individuals onboard. But that was the CAUSE of the crash. We already knew that of course - most of us anyway.

I don't think Desmond was keeping anything secret to himself, but I could be wrong. I just think it was hesitancy/reluctance on his part to have to tell Charlie AGAIN that he saw him die. I mean, if you had had to keep giving someone bad news, wouldn't you be reluctant to do it? That's the emotion I saw coming from Desmond in these scenes.

#250. Posted by: Stocky at May 18, 2007 10:45 AM

@ T-spoon - maybe you are right, but Annie wasn't French. Maybe the brainwashing including making her think she speaks French - something weird with languages. This could be related to Naomi's ability to talk in so many. I don't trust Naomi either.

I am sure someone addressed this before, but why did they leave a Dharmite down in the hatch for so long if Dharma was purged? They had the camaras so they knew he was there.

#251. Posted by: meg at May 18, 2007 10:48 AM

I'm a little late in the game... GAFRAM! I'm still 'BIG SPOILER' free, and really want to stay that way. So thanks for deleting spoiler posts about the finale when necessary Mac.

What is Juliet's motivation for siding with Jack and the Lostie's now? She can't possibly think she has a better shot of getting off the island with them than with Ben! I'm starting to think she's still going to double-cross Jack, and is still in cahoots with Ben and is going to betray the Lostie's in some way in the finale.

How is it so easy for her to go along with Jack's plan to blow up the Other abduction team? They are people she probably knows well (maybe even friends?) from being an Other for 3 years.

Juliet needs to continue her research and solve the problem before Ben will let her go. To do that, she needs to have Sun be abducted and then needs to go back to Other-status.

OR, maybe she now feels like there is no solution, that the pregnancy thing is hopeless, so that's why she switched sides?

Seems like Ben's sole motivation is to solve this pregnancy/death issue. Since no Others are currently pregnant (nor will WANT to get pregnant knowing the result) the only thing they can do is steal Lostie pregnant chicks to continue Juliet's research.

*BUT* if Juliet is actually on the Lostie's side now, it will be a moot point- Ben will have Sun, but won't have anyone capable of trying to save her or solve the problem.

I can see how Others like Alpert would be getting frustrated with Ben's obsession with the pregnancy thing, and are ready for a change in leadership. Could an Other mutiny be coming?

We didn't get to see the Desmonition, so who knows what he really saw. I don't think he told Chuck the truth about what he saw and it'll be interesting to see if it plays out the way Dezzie thought it would now.

But again, I put this Desmonition in the category of "they never would have gone to the Looking Glass if not for the Desmonition." In other words, I don't think Desmonitions can be considered "future-flashes". More like "here's something you could do and if you do it here's what will happen-flashes."

Just like the camping trip- they never would have gone if not for Dezzie's 'vision'. So it wasn't a future fulfilled- it was more like a visual map telling Dez that this is what the future could look like, rather than what it WILL look like.

#252. Posted by: JoePike at May 18, 2007 10:51 AM

@254 meg-- I think if your a main character in the show, you'll have a flashback i don't think we have seen rousseaus'. In the preview 4 next week, i think we all will see hers, & when rousseau and ben meet face to face it would have to spark something.

#253. Posted by: T -spoon at May 18, 2007 11:24 AM

I wonder what will happen if Charlie saves himself (without help from Desmond). Will this action have an effect on the 'course correction'?

Any thoughts?

#254. Posted by: Len at May 18, 2007 11:25 AM

Two things bother me

1. That cable lying in the water for at least 90 days has ZERO marine growth on it. Not likely!

2. With Locke blowing up the sub, how is the Looking Glass going to get re-supplied?

I say leave 'em down there, when they get hungry they'll swim out. :)

#255. Posted by: Moe at May 18, 2007 11:25 AM

@Vikki #218
When I turn the LG Dharma logo upside down I see a figure of and alien with big black eyes.

Anyone else see this?

*Could still be acid flashbacks! };>)

#256. Posted by: Len at May 18, 2007 11:46 AM

What I see in the flipped logo is a Picasso skull

#257. Posted by: welh at May 18, 2007 12:16 PM

I don't think we need to worry too much about the Cindy-wanna-be's in the Looking Glass. For one thing, they probably won't live out the season. For another, they ain't got scarves. And for another, the writers can fill their backstory any old way.

F'r'instance, they could be lesbian lovers who were specifically chosen for their underwater duty. Okay, maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, but that doesn't make it any less possible. As they may only know what Ben has told them, they may or may not be aware that a purge has taken place or an airplane has crahsed nearby. And with only two women - we don't know if there are others - there's no chance of a pregnancy (Jurassic Park notwithstanding) and a premature demise. They could be completely self-contained down there recycling their air and waste, de-salinizing their own water, and eating fish (biscuits?) and kelp. Or they may have recently received a shipment and aren't expecting another any time soon. And they may not have any idea how deep they are so swimming to the surface wouldn't be an option.

And if they've been told that the island is quarantined, it's very understandable that they'd be a little surprised and more than a little trigger-happy when a smacked-up water-logged hobbit arrives rather unexpectedly singing Wonderworld (Waterworld?) lyrics.

#258. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 18, 2007 12:18 PM

I like this alice in wonderland analogy. Haven't sorted it out yet.

I think Demond's dilemma was how to set into motion the events that result in disabling the station. Could it be that he had to get charlie to go down there on a perceived suicide mission to save Claire. Maybe telling him that he'll swim down there first only to get captured and tortured and Des would come later to help him wouldn't have gotten him to take the leap of faith. Anyway, i doubt anyone is still reading at this point so i'll just keep wondering alone.

Maybe Alpert will go find Locke expecting him dead only to find him alive. Locke's mission will keep him around Jacob's hut.

#259. Posted by: the red queen at May 18, 2007 1:10 PM

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@153 trevenator said:

>I tried to post this, but it had a link in it, so I don't know, but I was checking lost media and looking at the pictures from the preview for next weeks episode and thought I saw Jack's dad (he looks more like he did in 24) in the following picture:

>tinyurl*com/2rr6m8

>Does anyone else see the resemblance?

Only vaguely, and I don't think it's him. It's just one of the twenty or so unnamed Losties on the beach, future episode fodder. It's beyond all reason that Jack wouldn't have noticed his father hanging around on the beach, or shambling out of the jungle and joining the transmitter trek.

Incidentally, last night's clip show reminded us that Jack *saw* his father's body in Australia.

Also Lindelof and Cuze came close (as close as they ever actually come) to confirming that all the bizarre sightings (Jack's dad, Kate's horse, etc) are actuially Smokey.

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@154 markthefish said:

>Where did all this tsunami nonsense come from in the first place?


@157 Josh said:

>They're referencing the tsunami that hit on Dec 26th 2004.

>The creators of Lost mentioned in a recent interview that the tsunami might be featured in a future episode.

>If the losties have been on the island for 90-91 days, then it is Dec 23, 2004 on the island.

@184 FenwayBen said:

>Did the producers say the _tsunami_ would factor in or just that _real world events_ would factor in? I will be REALLY disappointed if the Tsunami comes into play in any way...


Correct. Lindelof and Cuze said real-world events would be a factor late this season on the island, and someone projected the time-lines out and discovered it approximated the time-line of the tsunami in the real-world. I thought it was a brilliant bit of extrapolation, but who knows if that's what the producers referred to - I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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@169 FenwayBen said:

>@Cecil Rose/75
>@Jenna/78
>The clip show is tonight. It appears to re-air next wednesday at 8 (unless there are TWO clip shows). The two hour finale is next week at 9. "She's my daughter AND my sister!"

I paged my digital cable TV guide forward to next Wednesday and the 8 o'clock clip show has *exactly* the same description as last night's clip show. *But*, it's fifteen minutes longer. So either we get:

1) More secrets explained (hah)

or

2) Fifteen more minutes of commercials.

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@170 Red...Neck...Man said:

>@ Christine/#55: Awesome theory about the chicks in the Looking Glass being with Naomi. But may I add this.... What if she wasn't in a helicopter (ejection speculation applies) but in a plane. The plane flies over, she jumps out w/ her parachute, a mini-sub is also dropped into the water to go directly to the Looking Glass.

The sound was distinctly helicopter. Of course, this still leaves an Osprey as a possibility. You don't eject out of Ospreys, either. As to dropping a mini-sub, the shock would kill anyone inside.

>2nd to lastly: Anyone wanna bet next week's ep begins with an eyeball shot of Locke?

My money's on Charlie.

>Was it just me, or did one of the birds Charlie bagged look a little like Cindy or what!?!?

Do you mean in the LG, or on tour? The still I've seen from the LG didn't look like her. I think pretty much any young brunnette's getting tagged possible Cindy sighting from here on out.

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@188 mapache said:

>Does anyone know of a website with some sort of map of Lostie or Other island so there is a better understanding of the two island deals????
Anyone???


I've made some revisions and updates, including a "Maps" folder, to the Lost bookmarks I offered in "The Lost Experience Explained". Anybody wants a copy, email me at LostJunkie@earthlink.net and I'll send you a file.

Unfortunately, the huge Lost map (4+ Meg JPG) that Mac pointed us to last season is no longer available at its original URL. And it's out of date, anyway, having no S3 information on it. There are several derived versions, none as big as the original, that are around and can be found with the search that Gfish described @191.

Warning: A lot of the bookmarks from the Lost experience no longer work, and I have *not* gone back to try to reverify all of them.

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@195 Kalico said:

>Just a thought, could it possible by that the two women in the hatch be Dharma like Desmond was before Locke discovered the first hatch??

Desmond was not Dharma, just a shipwreck refugee rescued by (we think) a Dharma holdover.


>The preview for next week made it seem that Jack was going to sacrifice himself, hence him telling Kate he loves her, also it does show Desmond with a rifle in the hatch, and it looks like Ben meets the Losties at the tower, and .. and.. and.. oh heck with it, Man I can't wait...

Desmond had a handgun. And I can't wait either.

>Keep up the great work Mac, can't believe after next week we won't hear from you till February when next season starts. WAAA

Maybe mac can keep us entertained with baby pictures.

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@252 JoePike said:

>What is Juliet's motivation for siding with Jack and the Lostie's now? She can't possibly think she has a better shot of getting off the island with them than with Ben! I'm starting to think she's still going to double-cross Jack, and is still in cahoots with Ben and is going to betray the Lostie's in some way in the finale.

Without commenting on the second half of this paragraph, Juliet's got to have realized by now that any chance at all, however slim, is better than the chance that Ben's letting her off the island.

o------

>How is it so easy for her to go along with Jack's plan to blow up the Other abduction team? They are people she probably knows well (maybe even friends?) from being an Other for 3 years.

Good point, and when did "We're not killers" turn into "If anyone gets in your way, kill them"?

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#260. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 18, 2007 1:19 PM

@256 - Len -

I just printed out the logo and looked again and this time, I am more certain that I see the GRIM REAPER....anyone else???

#261. Posted by: Vikki at May 18, 2007 1:20 PM

I think the only think Desmond might of lied about was the result if Charlie died: I don't think he saw Claire and Aaron in a helicopter, I think he saw Penny.

This way, Charlie dies and he sees Penny again. But I think he couldn't go through with it, again, (cause he's got a conscience...)and it was eating him up and that's why he decided to take Charlie's place: to save his life, as usual.

So I think he'll try to keep Charlie from flipping the switch because he couldn't live with the guilt of Charlie's death. When you think about it, his time in the Swan seems like training now...punching in the numers every 108 minutes, very "Groundhog day"...saving Charlie over and over...same thing!

Maybe Charlie has to be saved rather than has to die.

If the mouseketeers hadn't gone camping neer the cable, the wouldn't have seen Naomi...think about it, it's the Des-monition that brought them there in the first place.

Not sure what it all means...

On another note, I think one of the major moments of the epi was when Ben came back to his camp: you could almost seperate the group in 2 according to there body language when Ben was giving his orders and more specifically when he said it was ok to kill anybody that got in there way...alought of people seemed uneased by the statement. Can't wait to see how this will play out in the future.

I also believe that the discovery of the looking glass confirms my doubts that the sub has a "local" use only and that the real way to get to and from the island is something different.

BTW I don't think that Kate is worried that she may be pregnant because it's not clear to me that she nows what happens to pregnant women on the island...only that the Others want them.

Just a few thoughts...GRAA Mac!

#262. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at May 18, 2007 1:24 PM

Perhaps LOST's tagline should read: "Save Charlie...Save The World"

#263. Posted by: mike at May 18, 2007 1:32 PM

There's one thing that's really bothering me from the finale preview (U.S. not CAN.):Ben's presence at the tower. That scene keeps yelling TRAITOR and SET UP to me and it's pointing to Jack and Juliet. When you think about it, why go to the tower any way. And when you look closely at Jack's expression when he's saying I love you, he looks like crap! He doesn't look like someone who's doing the right thing and feeling good about himself.

I think he just can't deal with it anymore and he wants to get off the island...at any cost.

Just a theory among others...

#264. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at May 18, 2007 1:56 PM

@170 -- If the next episode starts with an eyeball shot, it could be Desmond. But a nicer touch would be to start the episode with a split screen showing two eyeballs, one Locke's and one Desmond's. The last two episodes ended with these characters on their backs and now we expect them both to spring into action.

#265. Posted by: leegull at May 18, 2007 1:57 PM

@264 Prosecutor67 said:

>...Ben's presence at the tower. That scene keeps yelling TRAITOR and SET UP to me and it's pointing to Jack and Juliet.

Or UNKNOWN SURVEILLANCE ASSETS. Maybe there's OtherCams all over the island, enabling Ben to anticipate the Losties every move. Or maybe Smokey somehow transmits intelligence to the others. (Juliet could have been lying about the Other/Smokey hostility and the whole show at the fence put on for Kate's benefit.

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>When you think about it, why go to the tower any way.

Ostensibly to shut off Rousseaus's transitter, and possibly use the tower/trasnmitter to boost the satphone's signal. Why take everybody? Maybe it's just to get them away from the fighting, and keep them all together for possible rescue.

#266. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 18, 2007 2:11 PM

Okay, I have spent 2 hours reading the review and all the posts, so I am sure no one else has mentioned this already. Some time ago, it was mentioned on this site that it was disappointing that Jack's story line involving starting an Army of Losties against the Others went nowhere. As has often proven to be the case with these writers, what seemed to be a dead end at the time was actually foreshadowing of the current situation--Jack gathering the Losties together and fighting back against the Others. That being said, maybe at some point the fact that Jack found it necessary to take the troops out for a hike to demonstrate the dynamite explosion will actually make sense and have some relevance!
Did anyone else find it interesting that a ring figured into the backstory of our Hobbit actor from "Lord of the RINGS?" Maybe that's why Jacob is invisible--he's wearing the One Ring. ;-)
I don't think Charlie can swim; I think he was lying about being a swim champ in order to be allowed to be the hero who "swims" down to the hatch and saves the day. Remember, we've never actually seen him swimming, just jumping into the pool. This would explain why he didn't remove his jeans or shoes, and why he had to use the weight belt to get down to the hatch. It didn't matter that he wouldn't be able to swim out, since he knew he was going to drown anyway. I also think Desmond knew Charlie couldn't swim--he already saved him from drowning by trying to save Claire once--and that's why he made the weight belt for Charlie.
Just a thought. I can hardly wait for next week; then the 8 or 9 month wait for season 4 will seem interminable (yes, I have been pregnant more than once, and those 8 or 9 months DO seem interminable).

#267. Posted by: Kathy at May 18, 2007 2:37 PM

my bet is that the eyeball shot is of Rousseau...sigh......ok so i'm stuck on annie/rousseau. But just think about it she has been a main character for what...one and a half seasons now,with no back story at all,for all we know she may have ben just under hogo's man boobs.

#268. Posted by: T -spoon at May 18, 2007 2:43 PM

@267 Kathy said:

>I don't think Charlie can swim; I think he was lying about being a swim champ in order to be allowed to be the hero who "swims" down to the hatch and saves the day. Remember, we've never actually seen him swimming, just jumping into the pool. This would explain why he didn't remove his jeans or shoes, and why he had to use the weight belt to get down to the hatch.

I don't think a non-swimmer would have been able to make that long underwater swim to the hatch.

I'm an excellent swimmer, and if I had to make that deep a dive, I'd use weights to get down deep, quickly.

I presume the retention of clothes was a logic flaw the writers/producers tolerated to avoid the logistical difficulty of having to film Charlie naked - or in underwear - in the finale.

#269. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 18, 2007 2:49 PM

@266 Cecile Rose

I thought about the shutting off of the transmitter but that was Sayid's original thought. I think Juliet's comment that the LG was jamming the frequencies made it uncessary to do so.

And why go hide somewhere you've never been to, where's the strategy in that. I know he's NOT General Patton and all, but wouldn't it of been better to go to the medical station for example or to the Black Rock...

I'm still worried about Jack's true desires and by that I don't mean Kate or Juliet.

So far Ben has showed us that he leaves nothing and I mean nothing to chance. I'm sure he had a plan "B" to capture the women and it might be Jack. I'm also wondering if he didn't just just shoot Locke once to test how much healing he could do (wounding vs. certain death...)and also, I think he spilled the beans to the rest of the group to see who would try to find Locke and help him.

With Ben, EVERYTHING has it's reason...

#270. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at May 18, 2007 2:58 PM

post #262-kate does know what happens to pregnant women on the island. she was standing next to sun when sun insisted juliet tell her what happens to pregnant on the island. good point though about kate nor sawyer expressing any verbal concern about whether she is or not.

maybe naomi is the traitor. maybe she has a tracking device on her and that's how ben and his posse find them.

#271. Posted by: tiffani at May 18, 2007 3:00 PM

Why does everyone assume that Charlie is lying now and not then in S1--when the plane crashed and he was all hopped up--why would he volunteer to be an expert swimmer to rescue a stranger in rough tide? Besides even Michael Phelps is no life guard, so I don't automatically draw the conclusion that he truly didn't know how to swim. The other possibility is that it was a mistake by the writers.

As for swimming with clothing, I doubt that Charlie thought about how difficult it is to swim in jeans. Back in the day, my summer camp made us tip canoes fully dressed, undress (hey! our suits were on underneath) and bring the boat back in. Everyone assumed it would be easier to swim with our clothes, it wasn't. Additionally, he wanted to take off before Des came to, and didn't take the time to change. Finally, I doubt that an outrigger is much more stable than the canoe. Undressing can cause it to tip. Clearly less than ideal.

#272. Posted by: boharpe at May 18, 2007 3:05 PM

@Prosecutor67 and Cecil Rose and JoePike

With whom is Juliet in cahoots? (My attempt at proper grammar.)

Good point about the different reactions at the Others camp to Ben’s orders. I still think Juliet is in contact with the faction of the Others who want change and are opposed to Ben. When Ben made his announcement, Alpert jumped in with the concern that Juliet would not be prepared. I don’t think he was worried about the tents being marked, but that Juliet has not had time to work their agenda with the Losties (start a war and get Ben killed?) While Juliet is definitely playing all sides for her own end, I think Alpert might be the one collaborator who has her loyalty at this point. His faction is no longer interested in the fertility experiments, and if he could wrest power from Ben, he could help Juliet go home.

I don’t think Juliet believes that the Losties have the ability to get her home. She knows that the sat phone/ radio tower will be a dead end (just my opinion). Why wouldn’t she have mentioned the Looking Glass jamming communications much earlier when Kate first told Jack about the sat phone? She’s positioning the Losties for some purpose.

That’s what came to mind when you said TRAITOR and SET UP. I think we’re dealing with 3 agendas here (Losties, Ben’s Others, Juliet/Alpert faction).

@Prosecutor67/270:

Agreed that Ben had some other purpose in shooting Locke and his intention was not to kill him. To see who would help him, if he had the power to heal himself, if Jacob had a use for him? Or maybe Ben’s communion with the island restricts him in some way from killing people himself. Anyway, I agree that Ben always has a purpose…

#273. Posted by: Clementine at May 18, 2007 3:14 PM

No comments on the blueprints? Would they have really called it the LG HATCH!!!??? Station, Site, Operation, most anything other than 'hatch'. Apparently the DHARMA engineers were watching early releases of this show!

#274. Posted by: mtncbn at May 18, 2007 3:14 PM

@195/260

In the promo Desmond did not have a a rifle or handgun. It is a Speargun! Very dramatic.


While jack says "I love you" in the promo it is not clear who he says it to. Maybe his father??

#275. Posted by: usually lurkin at May 18, 2007 3:22 PM

@myself/273:

Let me addend my last statement about Ben's communion with the island not allowing him to kill people. Yes, I know he killed his own father, but I was thinking more about his good vs bad people statements. Maybe it's the good people or people in still in search of redemption that can't be killed (like Locke).

#276. Posted by: Clementine at May 18, 2007 3:22 PM

@269, Cecil Rose
You make a good point about a non-swimmer not being able to make it to the hatch, but I still tend to disagree. It might be difficult but not impossible, hence the weight belt, which Charlie did not seem to have a clue about its function when Desmond was making it for him. An experienced swimmer (such as yourself) would know what a weight belt is used for. Also, an experienced swimmer might think he could make it out alive, and it looked to me like Charlie was ready to make a sacrifice. However, the truth will be revealed evenutally--even if we have to wait 3 years!
Yet another great review Mac.
And here's another acronym: TATDMA (There are too dang many acronyms!)

#277. Posted by: Kathy at May 18, 2007 3:24 PM

BTW, just reading that Nestor Carbonell (Alpert) will be starring in the new Batman movie as the mayor of Gotham city and also has a TV series ("Cane") picked up by CBS for the fall.

That doesn't bode well for his future commitment to Lost. And I was really enjoying Mr. Eyeliner. Well, maybe he'll still appear in the occasional episode.

#278. Posted by: Clementine at May 18, 2007 3:42 PM

@mtncbn #274 : The use of the word "Hatch" rather than "Station" seemed off to me at first.

But I've had suspicions similar to
Prosecutor67 - #262 -
that the sub has a "local" use only and that the real way to get to and from the island is something different.

Perhaps some other mode of transportation is used to arrive at the Looking Glass. Perhaps the looking glass functions as some sort of gateway to/from the island - in which case it may accurately be termed a "Hatch"

#279. Posted by: vacc at May 18, 2007 3:50 PM

re. 278 - CBS doesn't have the best track record with giving new dramas a fighting chance (even when they do let a new drama play out for a season they kill it. Jericho) so I wouldn't be surpirsed if Nestor Carbonell shows up again next season. Especially since he would count as one of the island's mysteries. He actually looked older when he met ten-year-old Ben than he does now.

#280. Posted by: Josh at May 18, 2007 3:53 PM

The Producers have said the finale will have a "reveal" that no one will expect.

Well, given all the theorizing about Jack and Christian Shepherd, I think the reveal has to do with jack and our perceptions of him as a troubled but noble leader of men.

I think otherwise.

I think Jack framed his father in the operating years ago, because Jack was jealous of his father's position, and closeness to Sarah, jack's wife.

We never saw the operating room flashback wherein C. Shepard killed the patient. Maybe Jack did it, and set his father up. At no time des Christian admit to botching the surgery.1

And all of jack's actions, since then, have been driven by the guilt he has for destroying his father's life, because Jack\k botched the surgery.

And we will see Christian Shepherd in the finale, and that is to whom Jack says, "I love you too"

#281. Posted by: Usually Lurkin at May 18, 2007 4:00 PM

Ref: 260
I don't know much. But I do know that if Mac did post a baby picture it would look a lot like Cindy.

#282. Posted by: SamFin at May 18, 2007 4:02 PM

Has the comment made by Ben to Jack in the Hydra "Don't you think Juliet looks a lot like your ex wife?" ever been addressed?

#283. Posted by: Rudy at May 18, 2007 4:07 PM

Why does everybody have to look like somebody else? The blond with machine gun looks nothing like Julie Bowen, the actress that played Jack's wife. Cindy does not appear in every scene. She is not the brunette with machine gun.

I'm hoping that Desmond is able to defeat the "course correcting", thus saving Charlie. It would seem like a much better point for the writers to make that people shape their own futures ("make their own kind of music") instead of being enslaved by fate. It seems so fatalistic.

#284. Posted by: Chickswithmachineguns at May 18, 2007 4:21 PM

@284 / Chickswithmachineguns

Hey... Anyone ever tell you that you look a lot like Cindy?

P. S. Nice name! Ranks right up there with Red...Neck...Man

#285. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 18, 2007 4:40 PM

--------SPOILER ALERT--------------
------- SPOILER ALERT--------------

I am about 90% sure I know who "Jacob" is....Angelo Busoni!
Who is that you ask??
It is the Italian man that Jack tried to operate on but could not save. Instead he kissed his dauther Gabriela...Angelo = Angel...Gabriela=Gabriel, an angel.

Look at these links and tell me what you think.

-----------END SPOILER--------------

#286. Posted by: J-Rod at May 18, 2007 4:40 PM

@286 J-Rod said:

>Look at these links and tell me what you think.


Links?

#287. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 18, 2007 4:52 PM


After reading all the posts, I am confused as to whether Charlie can swim well or not. His swimming feats notwithstanding, the thing that I did not understand is how he could go down so far without equalizing. How deep would you guys say he went? At least 40 feet, no? Heck, when I go to 15 feet, I have to equalize, else my head would explode.

@Red...Neck...Man, #212 - New Nickname

Cindy = Scarfy

I like it but hey dude, you better check with mif :>)

@meg - you're right, you have my back! Thanks for that!! mif


@JoePike, #252 - you make some good points about Juliet and Ben versus the whole pregnancy thing.


### N O T A S P O I L E R #######
(but tongue in cheek)
According to the U.S. census, there are exactly 895 Benjamin Linus's in the United States. I was puzzled as to HOW they got here so did some research. I found that the very first Benjamin Linus actually swam to the United States .... the other 894 walked on the dead fish.
#####END OF NOT A SPOILER ##########


#288. Posted by: ButchM at May 18, 2007 4:53 PM

Sorry about the missing links...I actually linked to two picutres from the lostpedia.com site...one of Angelo Busoni and the other of "Jacob".
The post with the links should show up as soon as Mac approves.

#289. Posted by: J-Rod at May 18, 2007 5:13 PM

@286J-Rod
Angelo Busoni, that's an interesting concept. Can you please post the links you mentioned. His face on lostpedia looks like a candidate. Hard to tell about the weird nose wrinkle though.

My money is on Alvar or Magnus Hanso. Has anyone started a "Who's Jacob?" pool yet?

#290. Posted by: Monster_of_id at May 18, 2007 5:20 PM

@ ButchM 288

Don't want to freak you out, but according to the LG plan Sayid had, the depth of the "entrance" Charlie used is about 70m deep. That works out to more or les 200 feet.

#291. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at May 18, 2007 5:58 PM

After a little bit of research that kind of depth doesn't make sense. For once I must conclude that it's probably writer error.

It's just too deep

#292. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at May 18, 2007 6:11 PM

@291 Prosecutor67 said:

>Don't want to freak you out, but according to the LG plan Sayid had, the depth of the "entrance" Charlie used is about 70m deep. That works out to more or less 200 feet.

@292 Prosecutor67 said:

>After a little bit of research that kind of depth doesn't make sense. For once I must conclude that it's probably writer error.

>It's just too deep

The men's world record for a free dive (unlimited division) is *183 meters*!!!
Agreed even 70 is pushing it for an amateur.

#293. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 18, 2007 6:25 PM

a few things annoyed me about this episode

1. the flipant use of "medical station" by juliet and the fact that everyone seemed to understand what she was talking about or that they didnt ask ANY questions.

2. Rousseau - baby - juliet? what happened there? did rousseau have the "i was shipwrecked here 16 yrs ago and 7 MONTHS PREGNANT, gave birth all by myself but YOUR PEOPLE took her" conversation. "oh and shes called alex by the by, say hello if u bump into her"
this REALLY irritated me.

3. the fact that people seem to trust Jack and juliet. i mean come on people. shes a liar. she'll only admit the truth when shes been caught out.

4. i know most people are delighted that bernard and rose have finally made an appearance but it just didnt make sense. no continuity whatsoever.

#294. Posted by: Andie at May 18, 2007 7:53 PM

Acronym time!
EMT = exploding mango tree.....thanks Clementine!

Real world events factoring into the season = Red Sox won the World Series?

Thanks BunnyLover for the nickname compliment...you're right up there too!

Well, that's it for me. I made it this far (I think) being 'major spoiler' free. I'm going dark. Another great week of thoughts. Lost Question will be up soon and I might as well throw some props out to Alex (Not Rousseau) 'cause you nailed it this week. That is exactly what I was thinking. Great minds.......

AAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! (Smokey's noise of course)

#295. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 18, 2007 8:40 PM

@RickN & others

CABLE:
On one of Sayid's maps, cable was labelled as "anchor to shore". This is misleading...

On other map, lower left, cable is also seen, clearly shown that it's attached to something that goes underground.

Electric cable going inside ground? The answer looks back: It's a ground cable. Like lighting rods are. Where else does powered underwater station send unneeded ground voltage... into ...water? Wet ground at sea bottom? Not very likely!

RABBIT:

Hm, probably not very important, but Season 1: Episode 5 is named "White Rabbit" and in this episode, Sawyer's reading a book named "Watership Down", a novel about rabbits.

And that's actually the episode, where one of the survivors, Joanna, drowns and Jack rescues him and Boone, who fails at rescuing her first, despite being a lifeguard.


#296. Posted by: InC at May 18, 2007 10:47 PM

Notes from a second watching of "Greatest hits"

1. The van that Driveshaft is traveling in to their gig in the 1st flashback has the license plate LO2ERY. Lottery?

2. Shouldn't Jack's hair be longer by now?

I thought I could come up with more, but I suppose the other 300 posts have covered pretty much anything else. Here are some predictions:

Charlie does NOT die. That is, if he isn't already dead.

The blonde in the Looking Glass is Annie.

Juliet will double cross the losties.

The tsunami will not be a factor in the show. No way.

There will be a huge, empty void in YOUR life a week from this coming Wednesday.

Thanks

#297. Posted by: markthefish at May 19, 2007 4:18 AM

@ 258. Posted by: ransomjackson

re: Looking Glass backstory

I totally can see the lesbian backstory! Let me rephrase this - I totally want to see the lesbian backstory!!!

Two young attractive women, trapped in an underwater station... At first, there is a slight caress while working on something together, and this, combined with the lonliness, leads to....

BAm-Chuka-bam-wam.....

Sure would love to peer through that looking glass!!!

But seriously - I'm sure the Gataga was expected to drop off supplies and a relief crew at some point - who knows how long they have been there - maybe it was only for a week before the sub was destroyed?

Perhaps the cable is not for power, but was meant for communications to the Flame? How long has it been since the Flame was destroyed in relation to Charlie entering the Looking Glass?

Man - without communication, those two girls must be curious as to what has been going on (and possibly curious about each other, a-la fantasy lesbian theorem).

Whoever wrote it - I totally love the Castle Anthrax analogy! Charlie is going to get some sweet underwater loving!!!

My guess would be that the station would be designed to be self-sustainable, but how the heck is it powered? If it has generators, how do they power them?

For food, would it not be possible for them to catch fish?

Death

With all the expected deaths that are coming, I can't help but think about the death of the girl Sun shot. For her, they had the whole viking ceremony. Is this something they only do for special Others? We've seen with the Purge that ennemies of the Others don't even warrant their mass grave to be burried - flesh left to rot. When Juliet shot and killed Pickett, did they have a similar ceremony for him?

@ ButchM
re: Charlie diving

They could have made this more realistic! He totally would have to equalize, or the pressure would simply crush him! Anyone who has gone scuba diving or perhpas even snorkeling would know this! Was he moving his hands (in swim motion) while actually holding the weight belt? Seemd kinda duh....

#298. Posted by: Shikotee at May 19, 2007 11:50 AM

@298 If you look carefully at Syid's Blueprint for the Looking Glass, the wire is labeled as an "Island Anchor"

Maybe it free-floats if the cable is cut.

#299. Posted by: usually lurkin at May 19, 2007 12:31 PM

@299 Posted by: usually lurkin

I've seen a close up of the plan, but am not certain if the term "anchor" is used in the traditional sense. I doubt the cable is what holds the station in place - there is plenty of slack with the cable, as the castaways have been able to lift it up with ease. It must serve some other purpose...

#300. Posted by: Shikotee at May 19, 2007 2:42 PM

if you can re watch the pool flashback scene, right before charlie jumps in a little kids voice yells "desmond come on"

#301. Posted by: john J at May 19, 2007 3:49 PM

@ Gerard: Who says the women in the looking Glass are alone? Just because two women ran out doesn't mean more people aren't in the hatch.

@Michael: Not sure what you mean by "purgatory tie"? In Catholicism, people in purgatory don't die and go to Hell . . . they're already dead to begin with.

@The Other Other: I agree, re: Des' Flash, especiall since it hasn't unfolded the way he said it would. He said, "You swim into the hatch, you flip the yellow switch, and you drown." Instead, Charlie swims into a DRY hatch, and is confronted with two women with guns.

@Kevin: Hurley's roommate picked up the numbers during his tour of the Pacific during WWII . . . long before Dharma.

To everyone asking why they didn't cut the cable . . . anyone ever tried to cut a metal cable? Especially one that thick? It'd take more than an axe . . . in fact, there are industrial cable cutters created specifically for that purpose; doubt there were any powerline repairmen on the plane.

#302. Posted by: TribbieSt at May 19, 2007 4:07 PM

My favorite post is from
markthefish - "Charlie does NOT die. That is, if he isn't already dead."


@Prosecutor67
@Shikotee
@Cecil Rose - I think we are agreed that Charlie's dive would have been totally impossible, right? 200 feet by an expert would have been pushing it, but Charlie, who isn't exactly fond of water? I think you guys hit it on the head - the writers erred on this one. Not that I didn't enjoy it - it just wasn't realistic.

Hmmm, maybe Charile is really James Bond! If that is the case, then rj (ransomjackson) will be on the lookout for Pussy Galore(not to gross you out, but in the movie, James actually pronounces it as "Poussy" --- yukk.

I don't think Ben's dad, Roger, work man, is really dead. I think he saw a "Drink Canada Dry" sign and hasn't been seen since.


In Bennsylvania, the former Others, now Hostiles, were not looking at Oceanic Flight 815 when it exploded. Moments prior to the explosion, Tom (Zeke) was heard to say, "Awwww, look at the dead bird."

#303. Posted by: ButchM at May 19, 2007 4:26 PM

@TribbieSt/Post#302:

You wrote --> I agree, re: Des' Flash, especiall since it hasn't unfolded the way he said it would. He said, "You swim into the hatch, you flip the yellow switch, and you drown." Instead, Charlie swims into a DRY hatch, and is confronted with two women with guns. <--

You have to remember that Desmond only sees FLASHES. Of what he told Charlie, the first part has happened. Charlie DID swim into the hatch. Who's to say that a significant amount of time doesn't pass by before Charlie actually flips that switch, and then before he drowns as well. That would be the easiest explaination for the events happening in the LG hatch right now -- Desmond just didn't see the ENTIRE sequence of events from beginning to end, and therefore he didn't see that Charlie would have a confrontation with two (or possibly more) people in the hatch before he actually gets to flip that yellow switch.


#304. Posted by: Stocky at May 19, 2007 7:21 PM

In season one, I remember Charlie saying "I don't swim, I don't swim." Even at the time I took it to mean that he wasn't a great swimmer, not that he couldn't swim at all. Also, I interpreted that Charlie was lying about the swim-champ thing. At the very least, we know that Charlie can swim because of his #5 memory. Just my opinions.

#305. Posted by: Kyle at May 19, 2007 8:57 PM

@Stocky: Actually, from the "flashes" we've seen of Desmond's (the flash backwards to Penny, and the flash of Charlie taking an arrow to his throat), they've been entire sequences of events, not "brief snippets."

#306. Posted by: TribbieSt at May 19, 2007 10:12 PM

@TribbieSt/306:

That's kind of my point as well. We never saw Desmond's flashes of Claire drowning, but Desmond of course did. When he described the events back to Charlie, he didn't tell him EVERYTHING that happened between the flash he had and the rescue -- he just "recapped" what he had seen. And Desmond even says that he doesn't get a complete vision of the entire sequence of events -- he just gets, well, flashes -- so his visions are not 100% complete from begining to end. Otherwise they would have shown to us (the viewers) in his vision when they removed the helmet and it was Naomi and not Penny. The fact that Desmond thought it WOULD be Penny is proof that his vision was not a complete sequence of events. This is the same here. I think this time, however, there is a reason that WE were not shown Desmond's flashes at all -- the writers wanted to make sure that gaps were left, to keep Charlie around for longer than we thought he would be. That way, it's easy for them to say that either Desmond didn't tell Charlie about that part (if he did in fact see it happen) or that Desmond didn't see that part all together. Either way, Charlie gets to stick around a little longer.

#307. Posted by: Stocky at May 20, 2007 1:36 AM

Several random thoughts:
1. I don't think Jack brought Juliet back to the beach because he is in love with her or trusts her. I think he insisted that she be there so that he could get info out of her. Jack may actually be conning Juliet as part of a plot against the Others.
2. To those people who think that Ben and Annie were a couple...Never once did I get any indication that Ben felt the same about Annie that she did about him. For all we know, he may have kept the Annie doll as a memento because he killed her. Speaking of which...
3. Do we know for sure that the Dharma people were killed by the poisonous gas? Remember that the Others put on gas masks when they left Kate and Juliet behind, and the gas just knocked them out. Perhaps they brainwashed the Dharmites and only killed those who could not be brainwashed. (And my guess is that much later they tried to brainwash Walt, but they were unable to and might have killed him if they hadn't needed him for the ruse to get Jack to their camp.
4. As for why Kate isn't worried about being pregnant...there is at least one contraceptive that is left in place, you know. Perhaps she has an IUD.
5. Surely that whole story about Paulikki and the diamonds wasn't just filler. It had nothing to do with anything else on the show! Somehow they must figure into the equation. Any thoughts? And...
6. Juliet was intimate with Goodwin--possibly the only person who made her being stuck there tolerable. He was killed by Tailies, who merged with the Beachies. Perhaps Juliet is out for revenge.

#308. Posted by: rhondab57 at May 20, 2007 12:58 PM

@rhondab57
No worries, sometimes the best way to get several random thoughts out is to spread em out over several posts ;)

#309. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 20, 2007 1:50 PM

@ 300. Posted by: Shikotee


Look carefully at the cable. True there is some slack, but even a boat at anchor could have some slack. I don't think the cable is intended to keep the "Looking Glass" stationery. I thikn it is meant as a fail-safe, to keep the staion from moving from its present spot.

Those Pylons holding the structure off the sea-bed may not be attached to the sewabed, only menat to give the station some elevation so submarines could get in.

Maybe The Looking Glass is meant to be mobile.

#310. Posted by: usually lurkin at May 20, 2007 2:13 PM

Maybe the pylons are actually giant mechanical legs and the Looking Glass can scuttle across the seabed like a spider, sucking up castaways, stray submarines and Dharma sharks. Maybe it’s an amphibious assault vehicle that Charlie can drive up onto the beach to rescue Claire and turnip-head. Now that would be cool!

But if you interpret the name literally (or literary-ly), wouldn’t the Looking Glass be a portal to another world, as it was in the Lewis Carroll book. And one of the themes was time running backwards. I’ll leave you with this excerpt from Chapter V with Alice talking to the White Queen:

`I don't understand you,' said Alice. `It's dreadfully confusing!'

`That's the effect of living backwards,' the Queen said kindly:
`it always makes one a little giddy at first --

`Living backwards!' Alice repeated in great astonishment. `I never heard of such a thing!'

` -- but there's one great advantage in it, that one's memory works both ways.'

`I'm sure MINE only works one way.' Alice remarked. `I can't remember things before they happen.'

`It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards,' the Queen remarked.

`What sort of things do YOU remember best?' Alice ventured to ask.

`Oh, things that happened the week after next,' the Queen replied in a careless tone. `For instance, now,' she went on, sticking a large piece of plaster [band-aid] on her finger as she spoke, `there's the King's Messenger. He's in prison now, being punished: and the trial doesn't even begin till next Wednesday: and of course the crime comes last of all.'

`Suppose he never commits the crime?' said Alice.

`That would be all the better wouldn't it?' the Queen said, as she bound the plaster round her finger with a bit of ribbon.

Alice felt there was no denying THAT. `Of course it would be all the better,' she said: `but it wouldn't be all the better his being punished.'

`You're wrong THERE, at any rate,' said the Queen: `were YOU ever punished?'

`Only for faults,' said Alice.

`And you were all the better for it, I know!' the Queen said triumphantly.

`Yes, but then I HAD done the things I was punished for,' said Alice: `that makes all the difference.'

`But if you HADN'T done them,' the Queen said, `that would have been better still; better, and better, and better!'

#311. Posted by: Clementine at May 20, 2007 3:15 PM

@311 Clementine - I thought the same thing. It makes sense that the LG is only a go between. People are somehow transported to the LG and then a submarine takes them to the Island, or vice versa. I think the answer to how the Others travel to and from the Island is in the Looking Glass.

#312. Posted by: Kyle at May 20, 2007 3:20 PM

i wonder why it is called the Looking Glass...

#313. Posted by: Andie at May 20, 2007 4:01 PM

What's the deal with this moon pool? Surely that is completely impossible?

#314. Posted by: Esquilax at May 20, 2007 4:46 PM

This is most a redundant comment, but I thin that Charlie MUST die. I think that after he frees himself from being tortured by the two women he will be placed in some position where he has to flip that blinking light switch. By that time Desmond will surely have another future flash and dive down to help him. There will be some sort of conflict between the two that will end with all the events leading up to his death - and then the season will end - one of the many cliffhangers we are going to have to deal with.

The good thing is that I seem to have forgotten most of the spoilers I've read. I read that he met the two women on the spoiler site, but I don't remember much after that. The red wine must be doing its trick..:)

Yes, Cindy's nickname most definitely is Scarfy. mac's baby may resemble her, but I doubt we'll ever really know for sure.

#315. Posted by: meg at May 20, 2007 5:32 PM

sorry, my proofreader is off for the weekend!

#316. Posted by: meg at May 20, 2007 5:36 PM

Charlie's Greatest Hits :

In honor of Charlie who may (or may not) get killed off -

My top five Charlie quotes

#5 Charlies makes confession
Charlie: Last night I had physical relations with a girl I didn’t even know.
Priest: I see. Anything else?
Charlie: Yeah. Right after that I had relations with another girl,
then straight after that, I watched while they had relations with each other.


#4 Season One "Born To Run" - [Charlie begins writing a new record in anticipation of a future Driveshaft tour.]
"Okay, check this out...this is track two, its called Monster Eats the Pilot"


#3 [Charlie, standing on a beehive, having just confessed that he has an irrational fear of bees]

Locke: Now, pull yourself together.

Charlie: It wouldn't be an irrational fear of bees if I could just pull myself together, would it?


#2 [After fleeing from the angry bees, Charlie hands Kate the shirt she tore off with a questioning look.]

Kate: It was full of bees.

Charlie: [Looking at her chest] I'd say more like C's.


#1 Season 2 - "Dave", when Hurley asks, "Did either of you see a guy run through here in a bathrobe, with a coconut?"

Charlie replies, "No, but I saw a polar bear on roller blades with a mango."

My top 5 Charlie moments on the Island

#5 Gives Claire imaginary peanut butter
#4 Kills Ethan
#3 Saves Jack while kicking heroin
#2 Rides shotgun with Hurley
#1 Takes a dive for the team

#317. Posted by: vacc at May 20, 2007 6:15 PM

@vacc/317: That was a wonderful tribute! O Great Lost Scribes, please don’t kill off our hobbit!

@meg/315: So, what I think you’re trying to say is, if any spoilers should pop up here before mac can get to the delete button, then we should all be prepared to drink heavily to wipe them from our memory. (Note to self: must get supplies!)

@Esquilax//314: Moon pool=not impossible. Apparently, it is used on research vessels and undersea platforms to allow equipment to be lowered into the water and so the crew doesn’t have to work outside in the elements. And, as mac mentioned in his recap, it was used to dramatic effect in the movie “The Abyss.”

BTW, (and please skip if my literary references are boring you today) there is a sci-fi novel by the late Abraham Merritt entitled “The Moon Pool” that looks interesting. Here’s the book review from Google:

“One of the most gripping fantasies ever written, The Moon Pool embodies all the romanticism and poetic nostalgia characteristic of A. Merritt's writings. Set on the island of Ponape, full of ruins from ancient civilizations, the novel chronicles the adventures of a party of explorers who discover a previously unknown underground world full of strange peoples and super-scientific wonders. From the depths of this world, the party unwittingly unleashes the Dweller, a monstrous terror that threatens the islands of the South Pacific. Although Merritt did not invent the lost world novel, following in the footsteps of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Burroughs and others, he greatly elaborated upon that tradition.”

The eBook is available for free download at http://www*gutenberg*org/ebooks/765 (replace the * with periods)

#318. Posted by: Clementine at May 20, 2007 6:51 PM

to #302 who said "@Kevin: Hurley's roommate picked up the numbers during his tour of the Pacific during WWII . . . long before Dharma."

I've just finished re-watching the first season. Hurley visits the wife of Sam Toomey, who tells Hurley that her husband (Sam) and Hurley's Connect-4-loving buddy (Lenny), worked at a listening station in the South Pacific "16 years ago" and heard the numbers being broadcast/transmitted.

Interestingly enough, this 16 years corresponds with Rousseau's own transmission, which has been going on for the last 16 years....

And in agreement with the previous posts about Charlie's dive down to the Looking Glass. As a diver, 70m (from the diagrams Sayyid reviews) is not a trivial depth to drop down to. The video showed Charlie, with makeshift weight-belt in hand, flailing his other arm around in swimmer-like fashion as he dropped down. Whether or not he equalized his pressure (yawning to clear your ears, like when an airplane descends) is one issue, along with the general oxygen toxicity issues that occur beyond 60 feet. Due some Wiki on Scuba-Diving if you care to learn more.

To counter this inconsistency (or possible add to it), the Looking Glass diagram also shows the remainder of the depth from the bottom of the "moon pool" opening to the sea-floor to be a mere 10 meters (~32 feet) which seems a little tight to support a Sub -- of the proportions we've seen -- coming and going.

Either way, I'd rather not get hung up on these details and look forward to what unfolds next week. Like another previous post, I like the idea of the Alice in Wonderland future and past memories connection, and that the Looking Glass Hatch/Station is a gateway to/from the island somehow.

#319. Posted by: JMilton at May 20, 2007 7:51 PM

****SPOILER ALERT****

I rewatched the previews in slow motion and noticed several things.... 1. Desmond swimming down into the water and getting into the station 2. a flashing yellow light that stops flashing

#320. Posted by: katie at May 20, 2007 8:04 PM

****SPOILER ALERT****

I rewatched the previews in slow motion and noticed several things.... 1. Desmond swimming down into the water and getting into the station 2. a flashing yellow light that stops flashing

#321. Posted by: katie at May 20, 2007 8:04 PM

****SPOILER ALERT****

I rewatched the previews in slow motion and noticed several things.... 1. Desmond swimming down into the water and getting into the station 2. a flashing yellow light that stops flashing

#322. Posted by: katie at May 20, 2007 8:04 PM

I think the girl in The Looking Glass that you all say looks like Cindy, to me it looks like Cassidy! (maybe she's searching for Sawyer, lol)
Anyone agrees?

#323. Posted by: Julia at May 20, 2007 8:24 PM

This is a pretty random question, but i keep thinking about an scene i THINK i saw, but maybe i dreamed it. I didnt start reading this post until a couple of episodes ago, so i didnt get to read the comments on that episode... but here is the question

In the episode where Jack agrees to help Ben, doesnt the very last scene show Jack with Ben on a stether and a huge ship out in the water in the background? If that is a true sceen, and i didnt dream it, but does that mean? Where was the boat from and where is it now?

#324. Posted by: katie at May 20, 2007 9:51 PM

QUESTION: Who are the ladies in the Looking Glass?

Here’s a quick tally of your posts to date.

Cassidy (Sawyer’s baby-mama, con-artist who helped Kate):
6 votes

Castle Anthrax/Lesbian lovers/Hot Stargate Atlantis chicks:
4 votes

Dharma affiliated:
4 votes

Naomi affiliated:
3 votes

Cindy (Flight Attendant, aka Scarfy):
3 votes

Annie (girl who gave Ben the doll):
3 votes

Others (under Quarantine or splinter group from Ben):
2 votes

Sarah (Jack’s ex-wife):
1 vote

Charlie’s groupies:
1 vote

90210 actress:
1 vote

Kitty Karry-All:
1 vote


ANSWER (well, not really an answer, just more information):
The Looking Glass ladies are…

Blonde: “Bonnie”
Actress: Tracy Middendorf
Also played:
Carla Matheson on “24” (S2 nanny who hired Kim Bauer)
Laura Kingman on “90210” (accused Steve Sanders of date-rape)

Brunette: “Greta”
Actress: Lana Parilla
Also played:
Nina Schaefer on “Windfall”
Sarah Gavin on “24” (S4 CTU staffer falsely accused of being a mole)
Teresa Ortiz on “Boomtown” (paramedic)

***inspired by Julia/323 :)

#325. Posted by: Clementine at May 20, 2007 10:24 PM

I can't believe mine was the only vote for Kitty Karry-All...it's the only possibility that makes any sense! Dominic would make a perfect Bobby Brady, after all. I can picture him on a see-saw for hours...

I will be totally stoked if there does turn out to be a portal from the LG hatch (no, not the Korean firm Lucky Goldstar that made my microwave oven, I mean Lookiung Glass!) to the mainland/real world. I will be totally bummed if there is ANYTHING involving the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami.

Here's my homage to the episode/Nick Hornsby: Top Five all time best songs to play at Charlie's memorial service:

5. "You All Everybody" by Drive Shaft. Totally fitting, but come on, it's a crap song!

4. "Cheer Up Charlie" from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

3. "Charlie's Song" by Craig Agans

2. "Charlie" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Charlie is making me smile.

1. "Drowning" by the Back Street Boys. Charie might be a rocker, but Claire's gonna plan the funeral!

#326. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 20, 2007 11:49 PM

I haven't read many posts in a while, but I was watching some of the clips of the finale and:

***********Spoiler**************
well maybe. There is a shot with Patchy by a fire with Ben, but there is also a shot with what appears to be patchy in the LG. Did anyone else catch this? How did he get there?

#327. Posted by: RickN at May 21, 2007 12:23 AM

@Clementine

Yes but those moon pools aren't actually 'under the sea', they are at sea level at the bottom of a ship?

Since the LG is underwater, it's impossible for the water not to rise up into it, in the absence of an 'airlock' type thing which Charlie clearly didn't go through.

Unless I'm going mad, this is rudimentary physics...

#328. Posted by: Esquilax at May 21, 2007 4:32 AM

"A moon pool is a feature of some research vessels and undersea platforms. A room, with an airtight door, will have an open floor that extends right through the bottom of the hull." Now, this is from Wikipedia, but I checked out some other sites and there are even plans for underwater resorts that will have moon pools. I don't know much about the physics of it, but it seems that it is possible.

#329. Posted by: Kyle at May 21, 2007 5:35 AM

@Kyle

The key point there is 'extending through bottom of the hull' - which means that it's just an opening on to the 'top' of the sea, for want of a better word.

Also, it mentions an 'airtight door', something Charlie didn't pass through.

From what we saw, there is absolutely nothing preventing the sea from rising up into the 'moon pool', which should happen due to the normal effets of the water pressure - they are 70m down apparently after all!

As you can see, I'm keen to get to the bottom of this mystery! ;-)

#330. Posted by: Esquilax at May 21, 2007 6:22 AM

330
Take a glass and push it down (rim side down)into a tub of water. No water will go up into the glass unless you vent the top or sides above the water level. Moon pools work on that same theory. I beleive the buttom Charlie is going to push will open the vents and flood the LG

#331. Posted by: btly at May 21, 2007 6:32 AM

@btly

OK, that sounds a bit more plausible.. but wouldn't the pressure in the glass where the air is be very high? Would it be habitable?

#332. Posted by: Esquilax at May 21, 2007 6:40 AM

*****WARNING - COMPLETE BS *****


I watched the previews for next week in slow motion and saw Rousseau in bed with Patchy and Hurley. I think she had Cindy's scarf tied around her eyes.

*****END OF BS*****

#333. Posted by: meg at May 21, 2007 8:20 AM

re: Alice in Wonderland references

For those of you who have never actually read it, you should give it a crack some time.

Ahhhh... Lewis Carol - mathematician, author, clergyman, photographer, and possible paedophile. Will we ever really understand his fascination with photographs of naked pre-pubescent children?

I think it is safe to say that Lost will not carry over this theme with regards to what the children have been up to since the crash. Then again, Ben is kinda creepy...

Still praying for sweet forbidden love in the Looking Glass!

#334. Posted by: Shikotee at May 21, 2007 12:22 PM

And just to be clear, my "sweet forbidden love" is reference to the Looking Glass/Castle Anthrax fantasy, and NOT the Lewis Carol/Michael Jackson "Lolita" complex!!!

#335. Posted by: Shikotee at May 21, 2007 12:29 PM

@314 Esquilax said:

>What's the deal with this moon pool? Surely that is completely impossible?

Actually it's a standard feature of underwater habitats. The air pressure ui the habitat has to be the same as the water pressure outside (at least on average) or the pressure would tend to cush the hull. If the pressures are equal, you can have an opern pool in the bottom of the habitat, no problems. The air pressure inside keeps the water from rushing in. It's a standard feature of most fictional and some real underwater habitats. I don't think anyone's ever made one as large as the one seen on "Lost" or the movie "The Abyss". As mac said, they do look similar - anyone know if the saem sets were used? As I recall, "The Abyss" was shot in a flooded (never used) nuclear reactor chamber in South Carolina.

http:\\www.jul.com\Pictures2\entry.html
http:\\en.wikipedia.org\wiki\Moon_pool

Reverse the slashes for a real URL

#336. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2007 2:39 PM

Just some observations re: Charlie and his swim.

@319: "along with the general oxygen toxicity issues that occur beyond 60 feet. Due some Wiki on Scuba-Diving if you care to learn more."

Please note I am a experienced SCUBA diver and oxygen toxicity issues only occur when you are diving using SCUBA. Free divers do not experience this because they are holding their breath and are not subject to the laws of SCUBA diving regarding pressure and absorbtion causing oxygen/nitrogen toxicity while breathing compressed air.

Shallow water blackout can occur when you are snorkeling or free diving, but Charlie didn't inhale/exhale/inhale a lot before he dove in. Free divers do need to clear their ears and if I recall I did see Charlie at one point grab his nose like he was equalizing. The depth he swam to is possible, but not likely he could have held his breath that long, especially using so much energy to swim holding a weight belt in his hands (it goes around the waste - hence weight "belt"). Had he perhaps pulled his way down the cable, he would have used less energy, been able to decend faster and would have made the entire scene much more believable.

I make a lot of deep dives and can decend much faster and without using much energy by pulling myself down the anchor line to the bottom. I've never timed myself, but I think I could hit 70 feet in less than 2 minutes equalizing every 5 to 10 feet. But ONLY if pulling myself down the anchor line. Kicking down is a whole other story - and that's with fins (and, of course, bunny ears)...

I also snorkel a lot and can free dive to a depth of only about 25 feet before needing to come up for air. Again, with fins. And, I'm not in that great of shape. And my speargun creates a little drag. Oh, and so do the ears.

#337. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 21, 2007 3:57 PM

Saw a few comments about why Jack didn't let Danielle stay as a shooter. That is because she is supposedly the only one who knows the way to the radio tower.

#338. Posted by: Friggin' Lost at May 21, 2007 3:58 PM

I am reading that the general concensus is that the LG is ~ 200ft down. I tend to think that improbable since Des and Hobbit could look down and clearly see it. Could not do that from 200ft.

#339. Posted by: Saminator at May 21, 2007 4:39 PM

@meg, #333 - Rousseau is gonna change her tune for sure after being in bed with Hurley - from 16 years to "16 Tons."

If Rousseau took Hurley to the "Tunnel of Love," she'd tell him to wait outside.

mif

#340. Posted by: ButchM at May 21, 2007 4:49 PM

@BunnyLover/337:

Very interesting, especially the idea of you diving with bunny ears :) You are truly on the cutting edge of fashion. (Or is that actually some kind of medical condition?)

I posted this website earlier, but think it got blocked. It talks about a NASA research station with moon pool that is 60ft undersea. The astronauts in training go through extended decompression before returning to the surface.

You said free diving is different from SCUBA because of breathing compressed air. But if the Looking Glass were pressurized (which it would have to be), would Charlie and the girls need to go through decompression before returning to the surface to avoid the bends? Might not matter if our little hobbit flips the switch and drowns, but it would be interesting to see if the producers address this.

http://tinyurl*com/35q45n

(replace the * with a period)

#341. Posted by: Clementine at May 21, 2007 6:46 PM

BunnyLover/337 -

Yes, agreed. Narc is only applicable to SCUBA, but then again, this was supposed to be 70 Meters, not 70 feet... Yes, I would have just pulled myself down using the cable too, but that wouldn't have made for as dramatic as a descent as we saw.

Youch. My ears hurt just thinking about it.

My general thought is that the measurements on the diagram were put there long before the details of the episode were every sorted out. Either that, or the writers never expected us to be pouring over their documents so meticulously. :)

#342. Posted by: JMilton at May 21, 2007 7:19 PM

@JMilton/342

That would also explain why Sawyer's file was all in French. Or maybe they know that we freeze frame and study every document and they are just messing with us.

The other option is that Charlie is Aquaman's half brother, and his true destiny will be revealed in the finale. That would bolster the "Atlantis" theories on the show, at any rate.


***********SPOILERS BELOW***********

Charlie gets asked how he got down there and provides an answer. This is from the newest EW:

"...only to wind up brutally interrogated by two gun-wielding chicks. 'If you tell us how you got down here, we won't hurt you,' one says. He retorts: 'I took my invisible submarine.' THWACK!"

***********SPOILERS ABOVE***********

#343. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 21, 2007 8:13 PM

@341 Clementine said:

>I posted this website earlier, but think it got blocked. It talks about a NASA research station with moon pool that is 60ft undersea. The astronauts in training go through extended decompression before returning to the surface.


>The air inside Aquarius is pressurized to counterbalance the weight of the surrounding water that would otherwise crush its walls, and to prevent the sea from entering up through the moon pool. After time, that pressure has a profound effect on the human body.

Note also that it takes themn 16 hours to ascend the 60 feet from the habitat to the surface. What do you want to bet we see Charlie (or Desmond) swim the 2o0 feet up on a single breath of air?

#344. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2007 9:39 PM

Whoa! Page two of that site has a picture of BunnyLover!

#345. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2007 9:42 PM

Me@344

Hmmmm. I swear I wrote a complete post in Notepad, and pasted it in, yet somehow portions got omitted.


The first quote's from Clementine, the second's from the website, and in between were supposed to be my words"

"Interesting site. And note they say essentially the same thing I did earlier about pressure and moon pools."

#346. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2007 9:50 PM

Re: Jack’s plan to blow up The Others

I have been waiting to see if anyone would mention this, but I was struck by the fact that Jack’s plan to “blow up” The Others is strikingly similar to Kate’s plan to “blow up” her step-father (who turned out to be her biological father) Wayne.

I don’t know if this was a deliberate parallel created by the writers, or just a coincidence, but it is very interesting. In both cases “homes” are being exploded (in Jack’s case tents which have been functioning as homes), both involve perceived enemies dieing in the explosion, the plans both seem to be emotionally driven and not particularly well thought out, in both cases Jack/Kate are attempting to end an abusive relationship (Kate’s mom was abused by Wayne, The Others have abused the Losties in various ways).

****** POSSIBLE SPOILERS ******

The spoilers I refer to are from the latest Pod Cast. I am not sure if pod cast stuff counts as spoilers or not, so I thought I’d err on the safe side.

In the pod cast, Damon points out that Jack's plans don't always work out. If Jack's plan were to work, it will probably have terrible repercussions on him personally.

We know that Kate’s plan did not work out as she had hoped/planned and it certainly had some terrible repercussions on her.

****** END POSSIBLE SPOILERS ******

I just thought this was an interesting parallel, although I don’t know if it has any significance—maybe it’s just late at night and I’m tired. If anyone has any comments, I would be interested to hear what you think.

#347. Posted by: Christine at May 22, 2007 1:06 AM

I'm getting a late start on posting this week. Real life caught up with me and I had to attend to it. A few observations...

Why is everyone so concerned about whether or not Charlie can swim? The better question would be can Charlie sink? That's all that he had to do to get to TLG hatch.

I looked at the Dharma LG logo upside down and it looks like Cindy in a scarf.

RE: The Cable leading to the LG - It's obvious, the cable is the chain that attaches to the plug that if pulled will drain the Pacific ocean.

I don't have time to post this twice (as seems to be the tradition this week), so I'll just copy it twice in the same post. : )


I'm getting a late start on posting this week. Real life caught up with me and I had to attend to it. A few observations...

Why is everyone so concerned about whether or not Charlie can swim? The better question would be can Charlie sink? That's all that he had to do to get to TLG hatch.

I looked at the Dharma LG logo upside down and it looks like Cindy in a scarf.

RE: The Cable leading to the LG - It's obvious, the cable is the chain that attaches to the plug that if pulled will drain the Pacific ocean.

I don't have time to post this twice (as seems to be the tradition this week), so I'll just copy it twice in the same post. : )

#348. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 22, 2007 2:26 AM

BTW: Only 49 more episodes to go...

#349. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 22, 2007 8:46 AM

@Cecil Rose - "Whoa! Page two of that site has a picture of BunnyLover!"

OMG! I thought you were kidding at first, but sure enough, that IS me! Too funny that little ScuttleBunny.

And believe it or not, I worked for NASA for a while - not kidding. I did some work in their regular water training tank, not this one however. (They must have superimposed that picture of me to make it look like I was in the ocean.)

NASA - Not Another Silly Acronym!

#350. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 22, 2007 10:12 AM

344CR: Note also that it takes them 16 hours to ascend the 60 feet from the habitat to the surface.
----------------
This is a "Training Environment" - 16 hours "simulates" a real world restriction - not a real restriction - they could all take one breath and swim to the surface - that's what makes it a relatively safe training environ.

#351. Posted by: NASARescueCadre at May 22, 2007 1:00 PM

@BunnyLover - It's funny because I have formed a mental picture of everyone here, and that is just how I pictured you!

The only one I actually know the appearance of here is DavidR because he posted that link to his college. Where is he???

#352. Posted by: meg at May 22, 2007 1:02 PM

@295 Red...Neck...Man
"I might as well throw some props out to Alex (Not Rousseau)"

I'm honored sir! Thanks.

#353. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 22, 2007 1:13 PM

I want to know what meg thinks I look like......

#354. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 22, 2007 1:33 PM

@ RNM: "I want to know what meg thinks I look like......"

I'm thinking you look like a, you know, a red...neck...man?

For some reason Grizzley Adams comes to mind - ouch - showing my age here folks.

#355. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 22, 2007 1:40 PM

@Red...Neck...Man - You are in your early thirties, scruffy blond hair and unshaven face, and built!! :)

#356. Posted by: meg at May 22, 2007 2:29 PM

@meg /356 "Red...Neck...Man - You are in your early thirties, scruffy blond hair and unshaven face, and built!! :)"

Hey that's me - except for the "early thirties", "scruffy blond hair", and "built" parts.

Ok, so I didn't shave today...

#357. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 22, 2007 3:38 PM

I'm scared to imagine what Meg thinks I look like...

I think the season will end with the Disco Volante arriving. Charlie is revealed to have been undercover agent 006 this whole time, and Q had given him a special device that both allowed him to hold his breath for over four minutes and not have to pressurize on the way to the ocean floor.

#358. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 22, 2007 4:41 PM

@Red...Neck...Man: Well, obviously you look like Sawyer, right? ; )

#359. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at May 22, 2007 4:48 PM

@351 NASARescueCadre said:

>>344CR: Note also that it takes them 16 hours to ascend the 60 feet from the habitat to the surface.
----------------
>This is a "Training Environment" - 16 hours "simulates" a real world restriction - not a real restriction - they could all take one breath and swim to the surface - that's what makes it a relatively safe training environ.

I went back and re-read the article and there's no hint that this is a training-only restriction. On the contrary there is a long discussion of the physiological changes that operating at this depth under high pressure for long periods creates, and the flat statement that death or great pain would be the result of ascending any faster.

From the website:

"KEY LARGO, Fla, April 20 - Day 4 - The orange fireball sun was not the only thing that arose from the sea off the coast of Key Largo this morning. Today was "splash-up", the day the aquanaut/astronauts return to Earth. It's a journey of fewer than 60 feet but it takes 16-and-a-half hours. Any faster would be deadly, or at least very painful."

This is followed by the aforesaid long discussion.

This is after spending eighteen days at two atmospheres. Apparently, they do not spend 16 hours traversing the 60 feet to the surface, but pump the station down to one atmosphere inside over a 16 hour period to allow the nitrogen to slowly leach from thir blood. Then they have to briefly re-pressurize the station - hopefully not long enough for much nitrogen to dissolve in their blood - in order to be able to go out though the moon pool.

------------------------

Your handle is interesting. If you're an insider on this project and I'm reading the website wrong, please enlighten me.

#360. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 22, 2007 4:51 PM

@301

I hear the kid saying "Des come on" but it might be a slight stretch.

#361. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 22, 2007 5:08 PM

meg obviously looks like Meg Ryan. Her favorite movie is "When Harry Met Sally," and she is better than Meg Ryan at simulating "the scene" in the restaurant. However, our meg does not like Billy Crystal - her favorite actor is old-timer, Clint Eastwood.

RNM lives in the hills of Kentucky or West Virginia, has 3 teeth missing in front, drinks moonshine like water, and tells jokes all day long about his kin. His favorite movie is "Deliverance," and his idol, naturally, is Ned Beatty. Ouch, RNM ;>)


I, on the other hand, look as if I am 40 years old, feel as if I am 30, but in reality am a little over 60 (but am cute - and I hate Ned Beatty).


#362. Posted by: ButchM at May 22, 2007 5:11 PM

@360/Cecil "after spending eighteen days at two atmospheres" is the key to all this. It's the amount of time they have spent at that depth. For example, under SCUBA, you must follow dive tables (or use a dive computer) to determine how long you can stay down at what depth. At one atmosphere (33 feet) you can stay a pretty long time without making a decompression safety stop (which you should always do by-the-way). Let's just say 2 hours. (I am NOT being exact here - just for example.) At two atmospheres (66 ft), you'd only be allowed to stay one hour. At three atmospheres (99 ft) 1/2 hour. So the deeper you go, the less bottom time you have because your body absorbs more gases under pressure. So in the above example, they've been at 2 atmos for 18 days therefore built up incredible amounts of gases in their systems, hence the 16 hour decompression asend/stops.

So, if Charlie is in the chamber for less than let's say a 1/2 hour, he should be able to make it back up without decompression sickness. That all depends on the actual depth too. Some say 70 meters, some say 70 feet. NO WAY he could ever swim to 70 meters. Feet - yes.

Now I want to go diving...
Where's my mask, fins, and ears... perhaps lost with the TV remote control?

#363. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 22, 2007 5:12 PM

@BunnyLover: Wow, your explanations are really great. I think you should contact Lost to be a subject matter expert (they need a little help with the details on this one :)

BTW, are your ears floppy or upright? I couldn't tell from that NASA picture.

#364. Posted by: Clementine at May 22, 2007 6:00 PM

Hey, ButchM/362, sounds like you might have the Richard Alpert gene? Maybe you're aging backwards and don't know it! Do you ever have flashbacks to pirate ships or 4-toed statues?

#365. Posted by: Clementine at May 22, 2007 6:08 PM

so far...only BunnyLover has the knowledge of what I look like. what a wucky-wucky-wabbit! Some of the descriptions are interesting. I grew up in Atlanta and I've called myself a redneck (even though I don't fit the general description) for a while. Hurley's line sealed my handle forever!

32
had moonshine once (FIRE!)
has all teeth
seldom scruffy
often scarfy
spoiler free
jokes often
soooo jacked for tomorrow night.

who can tap BunnyLover to find out the truth of my appearance...although I've been known to 'appear' in different forms....truth, I'm the extra that plays Smokey. Just finished a partyball with laffo....what a guy!

#366. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 22, 2007 6:43 PM

wait....that didn't come out right....please do not try to 'tap' BunnyLover...those who are interested may ask her for info...phew, what a save!

#367. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 22, 2007 6:45 PM

I'd say I look like the Trix rabbit but then folks will think I'm tapping BunnyLover! I actually look like Snap Crackle and Pop all rolled into one hideous three headed elf monster.

Question: Is the guy who got sucked into the plane engine in the first episode really dead? Maybe he's Jacob! He kind of looked a little like Cindy...or Sawyer's girlfriend...or Jack's ex...

#368. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 22, 2007 10:54 PM

@364/Clementine - "BTW, are your ears floppy or upright? I couldn't tell from that NASA picture."

Answers:
Ears = upright
Boobs = floppy - lets just say NASA (Not As Seemingly Aloft) Those of you who have not seen the photo may not understand. Sorry.

Okay, now that's out of the way...
in reference to the wucky, wucky RNM's comments - I have seen his picture and let's just say Sawyer's got competition. For those of you curious about the "tapping" comment from our favorite red...neck...man... I suggested (THANKS TO MEG) that since he has inside info (i.e. emails of all us regulars) that maybe we (again, all us regulars) share real photos and a little backgroud of each other - but not on this forum. Let RNM be the off line "host" if you will. Also gave him the scoop of my NASA and SCUBA (gees - no wonder I like acronyms) experience, blah, blah, blah. Told him if yous guys want to know about me to forward the email I sent him, and if yous guys wanted to share stories and pics that would be great. Just didn't want to post any of that here.

Hey, I'm a total LOST fan - first time posting to any online forum was here. I read ALL the posts because I realize everyone here is pretty darn smart and funny (and mature). This is one fun show and I've enjoyed every moment of, not only the show, but reading this site's incredible reviews by mac and the reviews and comments by all you guys/gals.
I'll shut up now... must be the wine.
Anyway, contact RNM if you want to know my email or real picture (without the ears - although I have to admit I look much better with them). Also, if you ever want to learn to SCUBA dive, let me know and I'll hook you up with the best!

Bottom line - sometimes I just wanna laffo my asso off at your comments... thanks for that.

Oh, and anyone want to start a petition to stop all the bunny hatin on LOST???

#369. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 22, 2007 11:21 PM

So, this is a little tangental (maybe a lot tangental) but interesting nontheless.
I'm reading "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert and there are way too many coincidences for me to not bring up here.
First, the book is divided into 108 chapters, something Gilbert makes a big deal out of.
Then there are the ancedotes she uses to make her religious points. One of which pretty much says that the mind during meditation is an island, one that needs to be protected from bad thoughts, which she gives a human face to by calling them exiles, violent assassins and seditious stowaways. (Dharmites? Losties? Tailies?)
THEN, the thing that caps it all off is that she references Jaws with the six little words we have all come to know and love: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat.
I almost died when I read that.
Just thought I'd share!

#370. Posted by: KaytieD at May 22, 2007 11:41 PM

360CR: Handle true - 16+ years. The issue is nitrogen narcosis (the bends). From only 2 Atmospheres - rarely if ever deadly. True the trainees are "super saturated" with O2 and nitro, but the real killer is when nitrogen is mega-compressed into the blood at 4 or more atmos. In the moon pool for 18 minutes, 18 days, or 18 months, one could easily swim to the surface - rapidly - and experience nothing more than moderate joint pain.

#371. Posted by: NASARescueCadre at May 23, 2007 2:09 AM

Off topic, was reading season one reviews this morning and noticed the lack of comments in season one from readers. Here is a quick tally for all seasons.

Season 1 - 191 comments (3 episodes with 0, 16 episodes with under ten)

Season 2 - 4,489 comments

Season 3 - 6,155 so far...

That's all I got, looking forward to tonight and Macs review tomorrow.

#372. Posted by: MadJackyl at May 23, 2007 9:49 AM

@371 NASARescueCadre said:

> From only 2 Atmospheres - rarely if ever deadly. True the trainees are "super saturated" with O2 and nitro, but the real killer is when nitrogen is mega-compressed into the blood at 4 or more atmos. In the moon pool for 18 minutes, 18 days, or 18 months, one could easily swim to the surface - rapidly - and experience nothing more than moderate joint pain.

I'm wondering if the author of the article on the website got one thing wrong. About 33 feet of water is 1 atmosphere and the habitat is 60 feet down, so wouldn't the total pressure be *3* atmospheres? One for the atmosphere itself and two more added for the water depth? So if Charlie is really 70m down, we're talking about 7 atmospheres of pressure. Or when divers talk about pressure do they only mean * above normal?

#373. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 23, 2007 11:04 AM

@372 MadJackyl said:

>Season 1 - 191 comments
>Season 2 - 4,489 comments
>Season 3 - 6,155 so far...

mac's popularity grows by leaps and bounds. At this rate I predict 100,000 comments by the end of season 6.

When I first discovered mac's "Lost" blog, back in S2, I went back and read all the old comments. I pity anyone trying to do that now.

#374. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 23, 2007 11:20 AM

Ahh yes, those lonely season 1 days ;) For a long time I'm pretty sure I was writing for myself and one or two other people. I'm still amazed at how this has all played out.

#375. Posted by: mac at May 23, 2007 11:30 AM

Mac, I was reading, I was so confused about what was going on in the show I didn't want to post. Your reviews were my roadmap...thanks.

#376. Posted by: MadJackyl at May 23, 2007 11:48 AM

It's true, Mac. I didn't come into the show until the start of the second season, so I went through the old reviews and comments and read them all. If I didn't have your help, I'd be as lost as Jack and Kate.

#377. Posted by: Kaytied at May 23, 2007 11:55 AM

I for one am re-reading the recaps from season 1. I am another one who started at season 2. I will read through season 6. You're the best mac!

#378. Posted by: onelostdude at May 23, 2007 1:30 PM

@MadJackyl: Thank YOU for reading!

#379. Posted by: mac at May 23, 2007 1:34 PM

Thinking back to when Juliette arrived via sub; and when Roger and Ben arrived; the pier that the sub was moored at was a straight run with a perpendicular run at the end, like a "T". The sub was tied up at the top of the "T". Now keeping this in mind, remember when Locke 'blew up the sub' that was moored at a pier - a pier that was a single straight run out from shore.

This begs the question: Just where are these two piers? Are they on the same body of water? And if so, why are there two piers in the same vicinity.

Can someone help me figure this out?

#380. Posted by: Len at May 23, 2007 1:39 PM

Where’s FenwayBen with the Walt update? He usually drops by to talk backwards on show day (Walt, that is.)

The whispers aren’t coming through so well. (My doc prescribed the same meds that Hurley was taking. Razzle, dazzle! This must be what laffo feels like all the time.)

But I keep hearing this hissing noise, like a rattlesnake in a mailbox.

#381. Posted by: Clementine at May 23, 2007 2:31 PM

@372 MadJackyl said:

>Season 1 - 191 comments
>Season 2 - 4,489 comments
>Season 3 - 6,155 so far...

...er... could you break that down into the number of characters typed for me please? JK P~)

I love stats!

@mac Pretty exciting. Perseverance pays off!

@Anyone know when the 3rd season DVD's come out?

POST UPDATE:
Season 3 - 6,165 so far...

#382. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 23, 2007 2:48 PM

I'm banking on at a bare minimum, 2 complete WTF moments in this finale. I just remember the days when I was popping up off my couch literally saying WTF out loud!

#383. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 23, 2007 4:29 PM

@381 Clementine

Sorry if I'm tardy, I slept in a little today (and I'm 6 hours behind the East Coasters). Walt did indeed drop by last night, he was on my lanai which is unusual, because normally he only shows up in the jungle. I say normally, but there is really nothing normal about it. So dripping wet, shivering, and speaking backwards (I had to towel up the mess once he left), there he was. I think he was trying to tell me something important is gonna happen on the Island tonight. I tried to get some firm answers out of him, but all he would say was that the women in the Looking Glass were not Cindy, Jack's ex, Sawyer's baby's mama, or Kitty Karry-All. Then he made a bird fly into my sliding glass door, so I had to ask him to leave.

Happy viewing, and I can't wait to read Mac's review when I wake up tomorrow!

#384. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 23, 2007 4:58 PM

@RNM/383

Are you spoiler free? Have you been spoiled and still expecting these moments?

I've read the spoilers but am still expecting to be surprised. I hope it works out that way.

The major spoilers have been out there for about two weeks now but the interesting thing is that even normal episodes aren't finished and sent out until the last minute. So logically, the spoilers have been out since before the epi was even finished.

It will be interesting to see what hasn't been spoiled.

#385. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 23, 2007 5:03 PM

@ bcre8ve: Ya, I'm sure I've been tainted...but I'll stay in full denial for another 4hrs. The only spoiler I would be mega-pissed about is if a new main character is laffo. That would be gaffo.

#386. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 23, 2007 5:07 PM

@ Red...Neck...Man
TWO WTF moments? TWO??

Oh, no, my friend. Lost is totally made up of WTF moments. Without WTF moments, what would lost be? I'm betting on at least 14.

#387. Posted by: dominoghan at May 23, 2007 5:32 PM

@ Everyone - Just wanted to say goodbye until tomorrow after mac's review cause, as some of you know, I have premature postulation and tend to post my comments right after the show ends on the previous episode's blog. I've had my hand slapped a couple of times(and it was justified) and wanted to promise and wait till tomorrow. So, I hope we all have several WTF moments tonight(as RNM mentioned) and tomorrow morning will be like Christmas day waiting for mac's review.

Whatever shall we do NEXT Thursday? Now I'm not only sad that tonight will be the last LOST (say that five times fast - last LOST, last LOST...) but also tomorrow will be the last of mac's reviews until next season. SUREly there's life after LOST, but where? ...purgatory?

Hope you all have a great evening, and I'll drink a toast to all of you when the "bad robot" does his thing at the end. (group hug...)

Keeping my fingers crossed that no innocent bunnies are slayed in tonight's finale...
(sniff sniff)

#388. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 23, 2007 5:36 PM

BunnyLover, post all you want on here, unless Mac's doing the hand slapping. Your posts are among the best in the coments section!

#389. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 23, 2007 6:14 PM

@fenwayben

Hey, what about me? I think my posts are pretty good, don't you?

Just kidding. BunnyLover, yours have much more depth than my posts will ever dream of having.

#390. Posted by: dominoghan at May 23, 2007 6:23 PM

@FenwayBen: Hope it wasn't the Hurley-bird that connected with your sliding glass door. And don't you worry, we can always hope for a Kitty Karry-All flashback next season.

@BunnyLover: Ah, bittersweet! Too bad summer tv is so dismal, or we could transfer our discussion to a different show. (Who am I kidding? There's nothing out there like Lost. And I suspect mac is looking forward to some downtime. Although 8 months is excruciating.)

I am happy to report that I remain unspoiled and completely in the dark. I will be reporting to my television set at 9pm with an open mind and huge expectations.

Minus 3 hours and counting here (and only 9 hours for you, FenwayBen!).

That sssssnake is getting LOUDER! WTF?

#391. Posted by: Clementine at May 23, 2007 6:27 PM

@ All us Regulars: Happy to post here. Glad to see the 'Regulators...Mount-up' are the last few to post true, funny, and DOPE posts right before we all gain unmeasurable levels of positivity and fullfillment this evening...then collectively wonder 'WTF' we're all gonna do with ourselves the next fore score & 108 years from now (I don't know how long fore score is...but it sounded slightly appropriate).

Namaste (I hate saying that but it's fairly appropriate..let me say appropriate again, or mispell it again?)

Traditional sign-off:

AAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

#392. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 23, 2007 8:32 PM

@RNM/#392: Time for Kronan the Grammarian to earn her pay...it's "four score"...unless, of course, we're on Hurley's golf course. Then it's "fore! score, dude!" ; >

#393. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at May 23, 2007 8:46 PM

Wow, what a finale!!!!

#394. Posted by: Jon is Found at May 23, 2007 11:29 PM

I know we aren't supposed to post now, but this is the first time I've actually stayed up to watch. Last night's episode left me feeling empty inside and a bit down. I mean, it was an awesome finale, but sad. I feel guilty for wishing Charlie would die; I really began to love his character last night. Anyway - nuff said for now. I've gotta go try to be MIF.

@BunnyLover - post away - there will be no hand slapping here. (but really we should wait)

#395. Posted by: meg at May 24, 2007 7:53 AM

I....can't....wait....any...longer

#396. Posted by: katijo at May 24, 2007 9:22 AM

@391 Clementine said:

>@BunnyLover: Ah, bittersweet! Too bad summer tv is so dismal, or we could transfer our discussion to a different show. (Who am I kidding? There's nothing out there like Lost.

Well maybe one of us could pull an "Amazing Steve". For those not familiar with Dave Barry's 24 blog, Steve Pietrowicz, a supercomputer programmer, began posting amazing, funny recaps of 24 to the blog, within an hour or so fo the actual show. Steve's posts were declared better than the actual show by many fans.

When last years's 24 ended with Jack Bauer on a slow boat to China and facing an 8-month hiatus before anuy new episode, the fan base decided Steve should just continue his recaps, show or no show, and amazingly, Steve did just that - a weekly posting of imaginary (and highly imaginative) continuations fo the shows plotline. Of course an overdone show like 24 just begs for parody, and this Steve supplied aplenty.

So, do I hear any volunteers to post weekly recaps of "Lost" imaginary episodes? davidrh? ButchM? meg? BunnyLover? Alaïs_Longthought? Clementine? bcre8ve? RNM? Anyone? (crickets chirping) Anyone?

#397. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 9:48 AM

I did soooOOOOOOOOoooo good keepng my promise and not posting last night. Probably because I stayed up till 2:00 a.m. and watched the whole finale over again. I think everyone was presented with plenty of WTF's and OMG's.
I did as I promised - made a toast to all of you when "bad robot" ended the show. (sniff... sniff...)
Now I am patiently awaiting mac's review and then I shall "post away!" Heh, I took notes this time... See ya over at the "Looking Glass."

#398. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 24, 2007 11:22 AM

@397/Cecil Rose "So, do I hear any volunteers to post weekly recaps of "Lost" imaginary episodes?"

I think that would be great! With the creative people that post here, I'm sure we could come up with some dandy's. I'll "hop" on that boat...

#399. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 24, 2007 11:26 AM

Come on Mac - review the finale! As I live in England we have to wait untill Sunday before we can watch it and I am just too eager to find out if the hobbit gets it.

#400. Posted by: Rupert Hooper at May 24, 2007 11:34 AM

BLIFH!

Just had to do that...

#401. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 24, 2007 11:40 AM

Darn you Rupert! You messed up my victory 400th posting. Okay so now I guess BLWFHAO.
Have patience - mac has TWO hours to review instead of the normal one. I'm sure it will be worth the wait.

#402. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 24, 2007 11:44 AM

→ 397. Cecil Rose


Actually, before I left town last week I sent a summer idea to mac for consideration - somewhat along the lines of recent posts. We'll see if he goes for it.

DRH

#403. Posted by: davidrh at May 24, 2007 11:46 AM

I think it would be cool if - instead of one person creating an entire recap - we all pitch in and create a new recap line by line or scene by scene with everybody tossing in their dos pesos until we have a whole new ep. Thoughts?

RIL!

#404. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 24, 2007 11:47 AM

@ RNM/392: a score is 20 years, so 4 score would be 80 years. Add 108 years to that and you got......a heckuva long time. (I don't feel like doing any more math today. I'm still fried from last night's WTF moment.)

....258 days until February 6, 2008

#405. Posted by: Trinity at May 24, 2007 11:53 AM

@398 BunnyLover said:

>...Probably because I stayed up till 2:00 a.m. and watched the whole finale over again.

You did that too? But I paused out all the commercials the first time around, so it only took 'till 1:00AM to watch it the second time.

Bad Robot, everybody...

#406. Posted by: alabama at May 24, 2007 12:07 PM

Hey Alabama - yep, I FF'd through the commercials too, but I paused a lot to look at things and take some notes. (Not to mention getting up and mixing up another beverage. Wahoowa!)
Alabama huh... I'm a bit UT fan - sorry. GO VOLS!

#407. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 24, 2007 12:33 PM

@ransomjackson/404 "I think it would be cool if - instead of one person creating an entire recap - we all pitch in and create a new recap line by line or scene by scene with everybody tossing in their dos pesos until we have a whole new ep. Thoughts?"

I like it! Although you didn't hear it from me cuz I don't post on previous episodes ; )

It would not put too much pressure on any one person and would allow creativity (long live creativity!) from everyone. The sum of the whole...

Something else that would be fun would be to have a movie of the week club. I would enjoy getting inspiring/witty thoughts about movies from this group. The success of the idea would ride on the choice of the movies. We could make them lost related... Carrie, Watership Down, Catch 22, etc.

#408. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 24, 2007 12:43 PM

@407 BunnyLover said:

>Alabama huh... I'm a bit UT fan - sorry. GO VOLS!

Actually that was jes' me above, Bunnylover - Alabama is my email handle and I clicked the wrong line on the dropdown when filling in my name. **because the "Remember Personal Info" checkbox doesn't work** (hint, hint, mac). I've got a favorite uncle who lives near Knoxville and is a retired UT prof, so I visit there whenever passing through on my way to Alabama (I live near Raleigh). And, even though I'm a Hokie myself, and have lots of UT friends, I feel constrained to let out an obligatory...

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL TIDE!

Bad Robot, folks. Now I feel obligated to get a little work (WORK!)done while waiting for mac (is that like Waiting for Godot?)

#409. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 12:46 PM

I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

#410. Posted by: Duereegoata at January 16, 2008 1:55 PM

3-21 - Greatest Hits

A dive in the deeps
While others (not Others) plan
A bang-up welcome.

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