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Key Points from "Through the Looking Glass"
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Season 3, Episode 22 Episode Air Date: 05/23/07 |
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It's a good thing season four doesn't start until 2008; we'll need the extra time to process this time-shifting, jaw-dropping, series-changing episode. To quote Ned Ryerson: This was a doo-oooo-ooooozy.
So let's get to it! The episode begins with a beach exodus. Jack rounds up the assorted castaways -- including all those background people who waste their days refilling the communal water trough and hunting for ripe mangos -- and the group heads out "Rawhide" style toward the island's radio tower. The early portion of the journey is without incident, save for Kate's odd sartorial choice of a hooded sweatshirt. But as night falls and the group crests a far hill, they see that all is not well with the world. You'll recall that our castaways had recently developed a "blow up the Others" plan that involved three snipers (Sayid, Jin and Bernard) exploding old sticks of dynamite as the Others entered the beach camp. From afar, the castaways can see that two tents explode (more on that later), but a third batch of dynamite fails to ignite. Rose and Sun immediately demand to return to camp to see what's what, but Jack nixes the idea. Drawing upon a reserve of positivity we've never seen before, Jack says that perhaps the Great God of Explosive Devices intervened and wiped out the Others with only one explosion. Nice try, Jack. Rose and Sun don't hold much sway over the group -- and besides, they've already trekked miles into the jungle -- so the castaways reform the herd and continue their journey. This long trip gives the writers ample opportunity to insert lots of plot details and relationship tangents. For example:
With satellite phones deconstructed and romantic entanglements further entangled, the castaways continue their hike across the island. And then Ben appears. Our buggy-eyed psycho has inserted himself directly in the castaways' path. Alex has joined him because Ben is an evil little bastard who delights in torturing his "daughter." Or something like that. Basically, the writers needed Alex and Rousseau to meet up and this is how they do it (more on that in a minute). Ben is unarmed, save for his exoskeleton and heightened sense of smell, but Jack's "Leader Alarm" immediately blares. Jack scrunches his face and stares at Ben real hard. Ben tells Jack they need to talk and for some inexplicable reason, Jack agrees. The pair retire to a quiet spot away from the group and begin a classic tete a tete. We've been waiting a long time for this. "Not so long ago Jack, I made a decision that took the lives over over 40 people in a single day," Ben says, referring to the Dharma purge. "I'm telling you this because history is about to repeat itself, right here, right now." Jack isn't impressed. His botched surgeries have accounted for at least 2,000 deaths. "Forty? Hell, I killed 40 people last year!" Ben continues, claiming that Naomi is not who she says she is. In his typical vague way, Ben says Naomi is part of a group that's been searching for the island for a long time. And if this group happens to stumble upon their tropical locale, "every single living person on this island will be killed." (Except for Locke, because he's got serious mojo. And Juliet, because she's smokin'.) Again, Jack isn't swayed. He's played Ben's little game in the past. It's not much fun. Ben turns to Plan B. He asks Jack to hand over the walkie talkie he lifted from Ben's belt moments earlier. And again, for some unbelievable reason, Jack does what he's told. Ben flips the radio on and speaks to Tom, who's watching over captives at the castaways' beach camp (more on this in Key Point 4). Ben instructs Tom to shoot the hostages if he doesn't hear back from him in exactly one minute. Ben turns to Jack and issues his ultimatum: Jack needs to bring Ben the satellite phone in 60 seconds, or Sayid, Jin and Bernard will die. Jack paces like a caged bobcat. Decisions ... decisions. Ben watches the second hand swing across the face of his wristwatch. 30 seconds ... 20 seconds ... "'I'm getting them off the island," Jack growls. "All of them!" 10 seconds ... Jack isn't moving. 3 ... 2 ... 1 Gunshots crackle through the radio. BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Anguish runs through Jack. The boys are dead. Sayid ... Jin ... that dentist who disappears for months at a time ... all dead. Jack looks at Ben. Oh Ben. Ben Ben Ben. This isn't going to end well. You see, Ben may be an evil genius, but his intelligence doesn't extend to physical comparisons. If it did, he'd realize that Jack is a big, strong, athletic guy with a violent streak. He'd then also realize that he, Ben, is a wimpy, gamey, spikey-haired toad with a gimpy back. Jack charges Ben and slams him to the ground. IT'S GO TIME, BENNY! WHACK! Fist to the face. WHACK WHACK WHACK! Blood spurts from Ben's nose. WHUMP! A massive hook knocks the consciousness out of Ben's bug head. Moments later, Jack hauls Ben's wrecked body back toward the castaways. Ben is alive, but his face looks like a horror movie. Jack instructs Rousseau to tie Ben up because they're bringing him along. You see, Jack has a revenge fantasy: he and his fellow castaways will be rescued and Ben's last moment will be filled with the knowledge that he failed to keep them on the island. Or something. Jack's off his chump at this point. And this is when we witness the long-percolating Rousseau-Alex reunion. Rousseau looks at Alex, who's kneeling in a blood puddle forming under Ben's ruptured face. Rousseau's simian stare makes Alex twitchy, but Ben spits a wad of blood and tells Alex that this woman -- this freaky island witch -- is her mother. Rousseau approaches and delicately moves a strand of Alex's hair from her face. "Help me tie him up," Rousseau purrs. Ahhhh. Such a poignant moment. Standing amidst a lush island field with Hurley birds floating through the sky and a megalomaniac bleeding out, mother and daughter are reunited at last. So they tie Ben up and continue their journey. Moments later, Naomi looks at the satellite phone and sees a green blinking light. The line is clear! But there's just one wee problem: Rousseau's 16-year-old distress transmission is still blocking outgoing signals. Fortunately, the island's radio station -- WBEN -- is just around the bend. The group reaches the radio tower and Jack, Kate, Naomi, and Rousseau go inside. Ben is strapped to a tree. He bleeds in response. Rousseau turns off the distress signal. Naomi fires up her phone. The thick walls of the tower block the signal, so she goes outside and wanders around, searching for contact. The phone clicks into range. Naomi dials. Kate giddily anticipates rescue. Obviously, Kate isn't a Red Sox fan. You never anticipate. Ever. Especially when a re-inspired island shaman is about to appear ... SWISH SWISH SWISH ... thunk! Blood suddenly sputters from Naomi's mouth! She drops the phone and collapses. What the? ... Jack spins and sees ... Locke! Locke just knifed Naomi! And he's holding a revolver! Why use a knife when you've got a gun? It makes no sense! Jack moves toward the satellite phone. The phone is still trying to connect. BLAM! Locke fires a warning shot near the phone. Jack stands. "I don't want to shoot you," Locke says, aiming his revolver at Jack's chest. Jack moves forward. Locke pulls the hammer back. Jack bends and picks up the phone. Locke hesitates. He doesn't have it in him. He slumps and pulls the gun down. The satellite phone is connecting. "Hello?" Jack swings the phone to his ear. Contact! They've made contact! "My name is Jack Shephard. I'm one of the survivors of Oceanic 815. Can you get a fix on our location?" "Hell yes we can," a man on the other end confirms. "Sit tight, we'll be right there." The castaways rejoice. For now ... |
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Point 2
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And now we come to the rattlesnake in the mailbox.
I don't usually worry about folks who haven't seen the episode, but in this case, I highly suggest not reading the rest of this review if you haven't watched "Through the Looking Glass." This next segment is so monumental, even a hint of what's to come will spoil the viewing experience. Be warned: The biggest twist in series history lies ahead. Here goes ... Remember how the Jack flashbacks felt tired and played out? The most recent one, "Stranger in a Strange Land," chronicled the history of his tattoos. Excitement incarnate it was not. But then the writers had an idea ... This episode's Jack sequence changes everything. Everything. Here's what we learn:
Okay, let's process this. First, I have to give the "Lost" crew credit for even attempting this massive shift. It's the ballsiest maneuver I've ever witnessed -- even ballsier than the one-year-jump "Battlestar Galactica" pulled off last year. In one fell swoop the "Lost" producers have flipped the entire series on its head by changing the show's essential question. Prior to this episode, the guiding question was "Will they get off the island?" All the mysteries and extra questions were secondary to this core query. But not anymore. Now the question is "How did they get off the island?" How. It also brings up a slew of additional questions:
Unbelievable. Just un-friggin'-believable. |
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Point 3
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It's amazing to think that a main character's death warrants Key Point 3, but that's what happens when a series reinvents itself.
But yes, someone dies. Someone important. And we already know how it happens. The Charlie-Desmond storyline picks up where it left off in "Greatest Hits." Charlie has just been captured by two armed women who are monitoring the Looking Glass station. Their presence in the station is particularly unnerving because the station itself was thought to be flooded. It's not. Nor is it abandoned. The women -- Bonnie (the blonde) and Greta (the brunette) -- tie Charlie to an office chair and beat the snot out of him. It's during this interrogation that we learn the following:
Charlie's presence in the Looking Glass freaks Bonnie and Greta out, so they break Ben's mandate of radio silence and contact their buggy leader. Ben is shocked by the news of Charlie's arrival. He instructs Mikhail to go to the Looking Glass and clean up the mess. So Mikhail loads up his scuba gear and goes to the shoreline. As he arrives, Desmond is regaining consciousness in the outrigger canoe bobbing above the underwater hatch (remember, Charlie knocked Des out with an oar). Des' adrenaline kicks in when he realizes that Mikhail is taking pot-shots at him from the shoreline. Des takes a deep breath and makes a desperate dive down to the Looking Glass. He struggles to reach the moon pool, then erupts from the surface gasping for air. Fortunately for Des, he arrives while Bonnie and Greta are pow-wowing in the Looking Glass' sealed control room. Charlie warns Des to hide and he manages to scamper into an equipment closet before Bonnie and Greta reemerge. Moments later, Mikhail pops up in the moon pool. He's surprised to see Bonnie and Greta because he was told they were on assignment in Canada. But the surprise quickly passes because Mikhail has specific instructions. He hauls himself from the pool and checks in on the control room. Bonnie and Greta inform him that the jamming mechanism will stay in place indefinitely -- even if the Looking Glass is flooded -- so long as the deactivation code isn't entered. And since Bonnie, Greta and Ben are the only ones with the code, there's no real threat. Satisfied, Mikhail follows through on his mission. He whips out a pistol and shoots Greta in the gut. She falls backwards into the moon pool, dead. Bonnie tries to run, but Mikhail shoots her square in the back. She sprawls on the deck and turns. Mikhail approaches for the kill shot. "Hey!" Desmond pops out of the equipment closet. SWOOSH! Des pulls the trigger on a spear gun. The metal tip pierces Mikhail's chest. He slumps to the deck and drops his pistol. Des grabs the weapon and takes aim at Bonnie, but Charlie stops him from pulling the trigger. Bonnie is the only one who knows the deactivation code. As Bonnie's life fades away, Charlie convinces her to cough up the code. He says it's the one way she can make Ben very, very angry. She blurts out the multi-digit code, but Charlie can't write it down fast enough. Greta's strength is waning. Charlie pleads for her to repeat the code. "Good Vibrations," Bonnie sputters. "Beach Boys. On the keypad. Numbers. They're notes. It was programmed by a musician." Bonnie dies. Des and Charlie spring to action. Charlie rushes into the control room to enter the code (thank God for all those piano lessons). Desmond gathers up equipment for their escape. Charlie finds the keypad. A yellow light blinks above the control panel, just as Desmond predicted in his future flash. But at this point, Charlie believes he can still make it -- after all, Desmond is in the Looking Glass, too, and that wasn't part of his prognostication ... right? Charlie punches in the code and turns to leave, but as he does, a red button flashes. "Incoming Transmission." Charlie hits the button. A monitor sparks to life. Through the static, Charlie can make out the form of ... Penelope Widmore! Ms. I Only Appear in Finales shows up on-screen. She and Charlie establish contact. Charlie tells her he's a survivor of Oceanic 815. He also mentions Desmond and Naomi's rescue boat. But there's a problem. Penny doesn't know Naomi. She doesn't know about a boat. WHAT?! Charlie spins to call to Desmond, but he's located at the other end of the Looking Glass. He doesn't hear Charlie. Knock ... Knock ... Charlie turns. His eyes grow wide. Uh. Oh. Mikhail is bobbing in the water outside the Looking Glass, treading near the control room's window. He's holding a grenade. He pulls the pin. Desmond hears Penny's voice. He rushes toward the control room. Charlie sees what's happening. The future flash is coming true. Charlie slams the control room door in Desmond's face and seals it shut. Mikhail presses the grenade against the window and releases the trigger. Charlie steps back. Desmond pounds on the door. BOOOM! The window ruptures. Sea water pours in. Charlie stands by the door. His face is placid. He's ready to accept his fate. But then he remembers ... Naomi ... the boat ... it's a ruse! Water rushes around Charlie as he struggles to write a message on his hand. Charlie dives and slaps his hand against the door's window. Desmond sees him. He reads the message. "Not Penny's Boat. " Charlie looks at Des for confirmation. Des puts his hand on the window. Charlie smiles a little, then struggles against the watery onslaught. He floats back. Water rushes through his lungs. Air bubbles pop from Charlie's mouth. He slumps. Godspeed, Charlie Pace.
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Point 4
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Vengeance is one of this episode's themes, and it certainly makes sense. For 90 days, the castaways have been at the mercy of the Others, Dharma, a smoke monster, random hatches and island hoo-ha. But in this episode, the castaways go on the offensive. They get their vengeance.
The seeds of vengeance were planted last week when Jack, Sayid, Juliet and Rousseau concocted an Other sneak attack. The attack occurs in the early moments of "Through the Looking Glass," but it doesn't play out as we expected. As noted, Sayid, Jin and Bernard stay at the beach camp while Jack leads the castaways to the radio tower. As night falls, the three snipers take position in the woods. They watch as a platoon of Others creeps into their dark and quiet camp. The Others approach the tents. Closer ... closer ... Now. Sayid fires. His shot nails a pile of dynamite and a massive fireball erupts. Barbecued Others shoot into the sky. Unfortunately, the rest of the plan doesn't work out. Jin showcases some piss-poor aim and instead of taking out the remaining others with a dynamite shot, he's forced to shoot directly. The surviving Others return fire and Jin is forced to take cover. The Others quickly gain the upper hand. Sayid, Jin and Bernard are captured. Sayid and Jin resist the Others' interrogation, but Bernard caves like a sinkhole. He tells Tom and his cronies that the castaways are headed for the radio tower -- and this explains how Ben was able to intercept them. Later, Tom receives orders from Ben to execute the hostages and, based on Key Point 1, we're initially led to believe that all three are dead. But that's not the case. Tom and Ryan Pryce (the chief Other henchman and platoon leader), didn't kill the men. The gunshots heard over Ben's radio were shots fired into the sand. Sidenote: This scene confused me. Was the faux-shooting part of Ben's plan? Or, did Tom and/or Pryce turn on Ben? Moving on ... Late in the episode, Juliet and Sawyer arrive at the edge of the beach camp. Earlier, the pair had separated from the castaway exodus because Sawyer felt compelled to double-back. Juliet claimed to know of a weapons stash, so Jack let Juliet accompany Sawyer. But there are no weapons. Juliet lied to get Jack off their backs, and this little revelation boosts Sawyer's respect for Jules. So, the two sneak back to camp and see that Sayid, Jin and Bernard are being guarded by three men (Tom, Pryce and some random guy). Sawyer is ready to rush in, but Juliet notes that each of the guards is armed and, unfortunately, the dynamic Sawyer-Jules duo is a little weapon-deficient at the moment. As the pair discuss their options, a low hum sounds from the deep woods. "You hear that?" Sawyer asks. VROOOOOOM! The blue Dharma van bursts from the treeline! It's Hurley! Hurley stomps on the pedal and slings the van onto the beach. Pryce takes aim and pops shots at the hood, but the trusty van deflects the bullets. Hurley bears down. WHAM! Hurley launches Pryce into the hereafter! The two remaining Others take cover. Sawyer uses the van diversion to his advantage. He darts behind the van and spots a pistol in the sand. As he reaches for it, he sees an Other standing over Sayid. The Other hears something and is distracted. And that's when Sayid pulls off the greatest move ever. Sayid is bound and gagged, but as the Other turns away, he swipes his legs under the Other and drops him to the ground. Sayid wraps his legs around the Other's neck. SNAP! The Other's spine crunches. He goes limp. Sawyer looks at Sayid. Sayid nods back. "I am a bad ... ass," Sayid says with his eyes. Sawyer turns his attention down the beach. Juliet has a gun aimed at Tom. Tom sees Sawyer approach. He puts up his hands in surrender. "Okay, I give up," Tom says. BLAM! Sawyer shoots him in the gut! Tom's face drops. "That's for taking the kid off the raft," Sawyer sneers. Tom croaks. "Dude it was over," Hurley says. "He surrendered." "I didn't believe him," Sawyer growls. Sidenote: Sawyer is a cold-blooded killer, but he's also a man of his word. Way back in "The Hunting Party" he warned Tom about an impending showdown."You and me ain't done Zeke," he threatened. I guess they're done now. Sometime later, after Sawyer has lowered his weapon and finished shooting Others, Hurley grabs a discarded Other walkie-talkie and issues a warning/notice. "Attention, Others," he barks. On the other side of the island, Jack hears the announcement through the walkie-talkie he took from Ben. He responds to Hurley and Hurley give him the good word: everyone is alive, including Sayid, Jin and Bernard. Jack's albatross of guilt untethers itself from his neck and flies away ("Hurley! Hurley!" it squawks). Nearby, Rose and Sun hear the news and embrace. And that's that. |
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And now we come to Locke.
You'll recall that Locke has been bleeding in a Dharma ditch for the last day or so. During a brief scene in the middle of this episode, we see Locke in his darkest moment. He's got a massive hole in his chest. His legs don't work. Nearby, he sees an ancient revolver tucked into a holster wrapped around a Dharma corpse. He grabs the gun, checks the chamber and slowly points it toward his head. "Don't, John," a voice says from above. Holy crap! It's Walt! (And he's 22 years old and has the voice of Barry White!) "Put the gun down," Magic Walt booms. Locke complies because, damn, that's Walt and he's a big man now. "Now get up John," Walt says. Locke whines about his legs. They don't work. Walt has none of it. "Get out of the ditch, John." "Why?" Locke sputters. "Because, you have work to do," Man-Walt says. Locke smiles. Now, we don't see how he gets out of the ditch or how he miraculously recovers, but since Locke shows up at the end of the episode and has the strength to sling a knife into Naomi's back and point a gun at Jack, it would appear he's on the mend. This Walt appearance opens the door to all sorts of questions:
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A few closing questions and observations:
That's all I've got! Thanks to all the folks who have continued to make the Lost Blog a haven for fun, intelligent and respectful discussion. It's been an absolute pleasure sharing this season with you guys. Myself and a few volunteers will continue to post news and rumors over the long months ahead, and everyone is always welcome to suggest discussion topics. Have a wonderful summer and I'll "see" you all soon! Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture. |
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Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc. |
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Posted by Mac on May 24, 2007 12:53 PM | Email This
I don’t care if I am first. What a great ****in episode. Anyone think it could have been Ben in the coffin? Maybe Ben joins the Losties to fight of Naomi’s camp.
→ 2. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 24, 2007 12:55 PMHey! I'm first!
→ 3. Posted by: The Kid at May 24, 2007 12:56 PM1st? 2nd? top five?
→ 4. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 12:57 PMGRAA Mac
I loved this show. How many others got waisted last night. I have to say, sorry to see Tom go. That Mikail must be dead now. Did he have the grenade in his hand when it blew?
Amazing.
Okay, I think the timeline is present day with island flashbacks. Here is what I noticed:
1) Jack mentioned that 20 minutes can be a long time to the flight attendant. Is that a ref to an altered space-time continuum?
B) Jack makes ref to his Dad, not sure what to make of it, some have already started to discuss. We did see Jack identify the body in season 1, and the producers have said that once a person is dead, they are dead. Except for Mikhail, he has more lives than a cat.
i) The song playing in Jack's SUV was the one Charlie was writing in the Looking Glass. Does this mean Charlie lives? I doubt it, but it is pretty cool. TTFN Peace out.
GRAA Mac
I loved this show. How many others got waisted last night. I have to say, sorry to see Tom go. That Mikail must be dead now. Did he have the grenade in his hand when it blew?
Amazing.
GREATEST TWO HOURS OF MY LIFE WOOO HOOO
Wow. I mean, wow. Just...wow....
A flash forward! I knew it was coming! Perfectly executed, although by the time Jack started whining in the hospital about what he had been through, it was pretty clear we were watching future Jack, a.k.a. Jim Morrisson circa 1971, even though there was that clever line about Jack's father; I knew something really strange is going on with that.
Awesome episode, though I was pissed that Charlie ended up dying. I always liked Charlie and was really rooting for him. Oh well...
So here's my question: who's in the casket? Locke? Michael? Ben? Any guesses?
→ 9. Posted by: Rob at May 24, 2007 1:04 PMWhen Kate said to Jack, "He's going to wonder where I am" Who do you think she is talking about?
Maybe- Sawyer? Someone who got them off the island? Or my favorite guess, it's her baby?
I think she has a baby off the island.
Great episode. Now that we know they get off the island, it is going to lead to so much more. I'm hoping it is just Jack and Kate (they cut some deal) that got off and they decide to go back and get the rest off.
→ 10. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 24, 2007 1:05 PMa) Why didn't Charlie just go out of the hatch and lock it behind him and escape with Desmond?
b) Why didn't Charlie put on his gear first before he typed in Good Vibrations?
c) Now that there is Mikhail chum in the water, perhaps the Dharma shark will show up, Charlie can grab a fin and swim away to safety.
d) Radio tower? Hell no, that was Snufflufugus Mountain! I was pretty sure Big Bird was in the background!
e) I thought it was flashfoward from the get-go, but then Jack says, "Call my dad, if I'm drunker than him..." which threw me off thinking maybe it was a flashback.
→ 11. Posted by: Connie at May 24, 2007 1:05 PMFor all the naysayers, I insist that this TV finale was better than ANYTHING I've seen in years. TV or Movies.
A masterpiece of "giving the fans what they want", and then haveing them realize, that maybe it wasn;t such a good idea.
As the old Chinese expression goes: "Be careful what you wish for, as you may receive it!"
→ 12. Posted by: Usually Lurkin at May 24, 2007 1:05 PMPretty wild stuff!!
Alas - no girl on girl action for Charlie. Instead - death!
Wonder who the funeral was for....
→ 13. Posted by: Shikotee at May 24, 2007 1:06 PM@ onelostdude "The song playing in Jack's SUV was the one Charlie was writing in the Looking Glass." - Didn't catch that - will look for that when I review the second time.
→ 14. Posted by: NotinKansasNEMore at May 24, 2007 1:08 PMWasn't there two tents that exploded and one batch of dynamite that failed to ignite? There was two trails of smoke.
*** ED: Yes. The review has been changed to reflect this. ***
→ 15. Posted by: Pieces of Mikhail at May 24, 2007 1:08 PMThe funeral place was Hoffs/Drawlar - an anagram for "Flash Forward"
→ 16. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 1:08 PMa) Why didn't Charlie just go out of the hatch and lock it behind him and escape with Desmond?
b) Why didn't Charlie put on his gear first before he typed in Good Vibrations?
c) Now that there is Mikhail chum in the water, perhaps the Dharma shark will show up, Charlie can grab a fin and swim away to safety.
d) Radio tower? Hell no, that was Snufflufugus Mountain! I was pretty sure Big Bird was in the background!
e) I thought it was flashfoward from the get-go, but then Jack says, "Call my dad, if I'm drunker than him..." which threw me off thinking maybe it was a flashback.
→ 17. Posted by: Connie at May 24, 2007 1:08 PMDon't know if this will be important next season, but I think Ben was knocked out (courtesy of Rouseau) when Locke reappeared. So Ben doesn't know that Locke survived.
A Question for everyone.
When did you first realize that jack was having forward flashes?
Whenhe pulled out a Krazr to make the phone call to Kate, I thought to myself, "Oops, Jack couldn't have one of those before the 815 crash".
It wasn't until Kate came into view that it dawned on me.
Is it also clear to everyone else that the true Villain is old man Widmore. I figure he wants the Island's powers for himself.
→ 19. Posted by: Usually Lurkin at May 24, 2007 1:12 PMWhen Jack made a call before getting out of his car on the bridge (right after he lands after reading the newspaper), did he start off by saying 'Kate' or 'hey'? I thought he said Kate, so the "reveal" at the end wasn't that exciting for me.
→ 20. Posted by: Dave at May 24, 2007 1:14 PMSorry in advance for the lengthy post. I suspect there'll be a lot of 'em.
So bittersweet…like baker's chocolate…
Gotta wait til January for the next episode? If waiting six weeks between new eps hurt the show's ratings, what will eight months do?
Anywaist, my first thought was that that Patchy is one hard-to-kill sum-beech. Yeah yeah I know, that eyepatch shoulda bin my first clue. And getting shot my second. And surviving the SDF my third. I guess I'm just not too bright. He couldn't have gotten too far away before that grenade went off, so I wouldn't have a warm-and-fuzzy about how his eardrums are doing. Des shoulda made sure Mikhail was dead. As Henry Fonda said about Jimmy Stewart in Firecreek, "A man worth shooting is a man worth killing." Like to know where he got the dive gear though...
And those poor Looking Glass girls Betty and Veronica…they get basically one episode…bitch-slap a hobbit...no flashbacks...and they're toast? Man that's harsh. Even Paolikki got a flashback…
And why Charlie couldn't have closed the door from the other side? Or held his breath and then gone out the porthole once the water stopped rushing in? It seems to me swimming up woulda been a helluva lot easier than swimming down, weight belt or no, 70 feet or 70 meters.
How stupid is Jack to give the walkie to Ben? Yeah sure he beat the snot out of him, but too little too late. Wouldn't it have been easier for Ben just to tell Jack WTF is going on and why he shouldn't contact the boaties? Seems like it woulda saved him a righteous ass-whupping...
WALT! WALT'S BACK!! Methinks that kid's shaving already…and it's only been a coupla weeks island-time…that's gonna make for an interesting episode.
So Obi-Locke dint have the stones to off Daddy, but poor Naomi gets a knife in the back? Symbolism much? At least Locke doesn't hafta loiter in the pit with the dead Dharm-ites for eight months. That guy's like Claire (sans cheerleading outfit…now there's a visual for ya) from Heroes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I heard Smoky-type whispering just before Walt showed up.
Seeing those tents blow up, all I could think was, "Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?"
My fave part was Hurley in the VW Microbus running down the baddies. Only lacked Shamba La playing in the background. Born To Be Wild woulda been cool…and then Sawyer kicking back with a warm brew after popping a cap into Tom…it's Dharma Time!
And future-/back- (?) flash Jack's Golden ticket? What up widdat? Next stop - Wonkaville? Thank you, Oceanic…what do you give a guy who survived a plane crash? Why, an endless supply of plane tickets, what else? Seemed like a little more Scotch woulda been nice. I think all of that was to convince us that they really are alive, not in Purgatory, and on Earth. Kinda ruins any potential threats to Jack and Kate's lives though...
At first I thought that that chief of surgery dude might be a grown-up Walt, but then when they had to introduce themselves I ditched that theory right quick.
The funeral scene I just knew was going to be manipulative as hell. Who's in the box? Quite frankly I couldn't care less. By the time they get around to showing us who's in the box it'll have more to do with who's available for filming (contract-wise) and less to do with plot. Kinda like putting Han Solo into Carbonite…they didn't know if Harrison Ford would be available for SW VI:RotJ
With rescuers on the way, I for one cannot imagine how they're going to stretch this thing out for another three seasons.
Seems to me that the island is where good people who've gone wrong (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Claire, Des, Jin & Sun…pretty much everybody except for Hurley) get to go to get another chance at having a good life. Instead of Dharma-ville, maybe we should call it Karma-ville. (Where's Earl?) Like Ben said to Jack, "What do you want to go back to?"
→ 21. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 24, 2007 1:14 PM14 hours later and I’m still in a daze. The episode was unreal and I still haven’t digested it. At times I felt like I was a ping pong ball getting slammed back and forth as events were unfolding in rapid succession. My first thought after the episode was over was “how the heck is Mac going to be able to capture all THATâ€? Mac, I figured that recap would take about an extra 3 hours to complete.
And the Jack Back/Forward story. My god, how dark was that? From the first shot, you knew something was different, I don’t know how they did it…the music, the dark beard, Jack’s total absolute despondence in every one of those scenes……something just told you that these memories weren’t your usual Lost flashbacks. Things were different this time….are we potentially dealing with a Groundhog Day type scenario?
As far as determining whether or not those scenes were flashbacks or flashforwards, I’m just not sure. We had clues pointing us to both directions. I almost wonder if in fact they were/are like Desmond’s premonitions…only not in flashes, but in complete sequences.
And the funeral: Who was it? Did I hear the funeral director refer to the person as a “she†or a “herâ€? Bizarre! Juliet? Claire? Russeau? Cindy? ïŠ Or maybe a future character who we haven’t even met yet?
Then Sawyer…what’s going on with him? He’s clearly a different person now that he’s killed Locke’s dad. His anger is consuming him. “That was for taking the kid.†I loved that line too…was I the only one who was surprised he shot Tom? I’m not going to even get into the whole Locke business….I’m sure there’s plenty of you out there who have lots to say about him….and Jacob too.
Yes indeed, they set us up beautifully for next season. For all we know, they could do a dozen episodes of the show next year OFF the island.
Kudos to the writers, producers and actors. The episode was simply fantastic and everyone clearly brought their “A†games to this episode…in fact, I think last night’s show was better shot, written, acted and directed than probably most/all of the blockbuster movies that will be released this year.
Thanks Mac!
@ onelostdude The song playing in Jack's SUV was "Scentless Apprentice" by Nirvana. It is the second song on their 1993 album, In Utero. I gotta go back to my DVR and see if that was what Charlie was singing in t he looking glass.. He could've just been singing the words to songs he knew to draw attention from Desmond
→ 23. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 1:15 PMOk I just have a quick question/comment. Didn't two of the tents/piles of dynamite go off? Wasn't it just Jin that missed? I thought that both Sayid and Bernard hit their targets, meaning the Losties would have seen two explosions, not just one.
On a side note, at the beginning I thought 'Jack looks so much older!' I didn't read the spoilers, but I think the Lost special from last week really gave it away for me. When the creators said something like 'if they get off the island, the show's over... isn't it?' Seemed kinda tongue in cheek to me, and now that we know they get rescued, the next 3 seasons could all be off the island for all we know!
Great recap, great episode, great scott we have to wait a long time for the next season!
→ 24. Posted by: Laura at May 24, 2007 1:17 PMyippie! great post! i'd been waiting all morning. thanks for writing such awesome, clarifying reviews.
→ 25. Posted by: nikki c at May 24, 2007 1:20 PM
If kate and jack (at least) made it back to safety then how the heck is kate living outsied a jail cell? She was a federal fugitive when the plane crashed and surely would have been taken back into cusotdy. Right?
Mac... I gotta say I'm a little confused...
Why would you write that "Dr. Hamel doesn't respond, presumably because Jack's dad is dead (or is he?)." At this point in the show, we all assumed this was a flashback. And since Jack's dad died in Sydney, just before Jack boarded 815, why would anyone think that Jack's dad was dead in a scene that took place back in LA?
→ 27. Posted by: Buck41 at May 24, 2007 1:21 PMTo all the people who complined that the first 6 episodes sucked: HAHA! You missed one of the best shows ever!
→ 28. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 24, 2007 1:21 PMI've been trying to decipher the screencaps of the article Jack ripped out of the paper. I replaced words that can't be seen with ??
LOS ANGELES
Man found d?? in
downtown loft
The body of J?? ??ntham of
New York was found shortly after 4
a.m. in the 160?? Block of Grand
Avenue.
Ted ??, a doorman? at The
Tower .... Complex heard loud
noises ... from ..ntham's loft
Concerned for ?? ?? safety, he
alerted the ?? ?? uncovered the
body hanging from a beam in the
??.
Great recap - I've been waiting for it to see what you thought. Other boards today are all buzzing about how the flash forward "Jumped the shark", ruined the show, etc. but I thought it was great! Opens the door to all kinds of new possibilities.
→ 30. Posted by: Steph at May 24, 2007 1:26 PMone more thing, **SPOILER**
the woman in the car crash that jack saved, with the little boy- could that have been sawyer's lady friend (who later helped kate) and their son? might not work with the timeline, but it's my stab at a guess.
Holy Russian Cyclops Batman!
I have to say that this season finale left me thrilled yet melancholy. I'm not sure if it was the fact that the season's over or whether we have most certainly started the downhill portion of our journey (there are as many seasons behind us as in front of us) or just the realization for Jack that getting rescued is not all it's cracked up to be or maybe simply Charlie's selfless death. It was a good episdoe but I certainly don't have that high like after season 2.
Some points:
I was blown away (no pun intended) by the fact that they answered on the biggest questions: Will these people be rescued?
I had a pretty good idea the flashbacks were actually flash-forwards. I kept looking for excuses not to believe but alas none stuck. That being said, it was pretty obvious at the end of the show that the person meeting Jack would be Kate.
Walt's appearance was great. I'm not sure if he'll be around much more but it was nice for him to have a role.
Casket = Ben? Walt?
"We ain't done Zeke." Sawyer gets his revenge over Tom (who had really started to grow on me). Sadly we won't find out much more about him. So long Tom. We hardly knew ye.
Can anyone check to see if Patchy is actually dead? Come on people, learn!
And to close, here's to Charlie. He made a complete journey from the dark side back to light. His sacrifice was surprising yet poignant. It's sad to see you go brutha.
Mac, thanks for a great season. Hope you have a great summer...and fall...and winter!
→ 32. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 24, 2007 1:27 PMCharlie was singing "You All Everybody" when Desmond was hiding, I'm not sure if that's what he was singing the whole time, but I'm pretty sure it was that and not the Nirvana song.
→ 33. Posted by: just me at May 24, 2007 1:27 PMTimeline Question: First, the facts --
The newspaper in Jack's opening flash-forward scene on the plane is dated April 2007.
The Losties plane/flight 815 is supposed to have crashed in Sept. 04.
Approximately 90+ days are to have passed on the island since the crash of #815.
So...are we to believe that the flash-forward scenes from last night are happening 2+ years post-rescue?
Anyone think the Walt who appeared to Locke is present-day, future-flash Walt?
→ 35. Posted by: James at May 24, 2007 1:28 PMonelostdude: the song playing in Jack's SUV is "Scentless Apprentice" by Nirvana - a track off of In Utero.
It is not the song Charlie wrote on the beach.
→ 36. Posted by: tim at May 24, 2007 1:28 PMWow, mac, you did it! After that extended episode you must have had to stay up all night just to decide where to start. Great job, as expected.
Wrote this earlier today:
Got off the flight and reached home about 2:00 AM this morning and then stayed up for three hours to watch the last two weeks of LOST. Read mac’s review and everyone’s comments from last week . . . However, how we got from Charlie’s Top Five to “Boom goes the dynamite†to floppy boobs is beyond me . . . but AS ALWAYS, this blog is the most entertaining one in town!
All I can say at this point is “Holy Future-Flash, Batman!†When Matthew Fox said on Leno the first of last week that the finale would “alter everyone’s perceptionâ€, he was certainly on target!
Lots of HEROES last night.
I’m not sure why Charlie closed the flood door, unless only to ensure that nothing interfered with Desmond’s premonition and Claire would be saved . . . (Of course, eventually the entire inner deck would have been flooded, but surely there would have been enough time for both he and Des to escape.) At least he went out with the “ultimate sacrifice†for Love. Thank you, writers, for elevating his character beyond
ex-druggie-dorkie-rocker-fellow.
Dharma VW Bus = HURLEY BOMB! It just proves that the “fat kid†on the playground might not be so worthless afterall. Can’t judge a hero by his weight . . .
Sawyer and “lovable†Tom - A bit shocking, but “let the punishment fit the crimeâ€. Lots of “pent-up revenge anger†there. And Tom WAS a bad guy, regardless of his winning grin.
Alex and Rousseau - “Hallmark Card†moment.
Penny and “Who’s Naomi?†- Whoops.
Charlie’s Hand - Heroic to the end!
Locke - Did Jacob appear in a vision AS Walt? Whatever it was, it obviously did the trick. Rubber legs healed . . . knife throwing technique enhanced . .
Final scene - For all his dastardly ways, perhaps we SHOULD HAVE LISTENED to Ben afterall. We are obviously going on a BRAND NEW JOURNEY next season!
Only thing I obviously missed - Who’s in the coffin? I frame-by-framed that opening scene, but there’s just no way, without HD, to read that newspaper obit.
Can’t wait to read the comments.
→ 37. Posted by: davidrh at May 24, 2007 1:28 PMAnyone think the Walt who appeared to Locke is present-day, flash-forward Walt?
→ 38. Posted by: James at May 24, 2007 1:28 PMI am a tortured soul. Not only was I not able to watch the 2 hour finale last night, but my wife tempts me by telling me she saw the last 5 minutes, and that it was ridiculously good. Now I am the kind of guy that forced himself to stop looking at spoiler sites so I wouldn't have my finale ruined, but now I hear other people in the office talking about the finale, along with multiple websites with opinions posted on their main pages. Everywhere I go is Lost. I feel like Charlie when he is on Heroin. And everywhere I go I have little Mary statues looking at me, already cracked, ready to ingest.
What's killing me most . . . I trust you people and your opinions, and I want to know if it was indeed the best show of the season, with the surprises that the producers promised. Mac, please shoot me an email and let me know if it lived up to your expectations. I didn't even read the first part of your review, as I was afraid to see something that would give an ounce of the show away.
I look forward to sharing my thoughts and speculations about the show tomorrow.
I'm wondering if we'll be able to top the 500 posts from a couple of episodes ago.
P.S. - The only bit of info that has been leaked to me is a bit about Jack's mustache that looks really fake. (My d*mn supervisor just had to watch me squirm.)
→ 39. Posted by: ANTP? at May 24, 2007 1:28 PMI LOVED the episode last night; I actually clapped when Hurley came out of the jungle in the van! However, I was not at all surprised that it was a "flash forward"; even though he had no gray in the beard, Jack just looked older. And what was up with that awful fake beard? I couldn't decide if he looked more like a rabbi or Yukon Cornelius!
Best line:
Sawyer:"You having sex with Jack yet?"
Juliet:"No, are you?"
Next best line:
Sawyer:"Why did you have us breaking up all those rocks?"
Juliet:"We were building a landing strip...for the aliens."
It will be hard to wait until next year for more Lost, but I've had to wait out the Soprano's so I guess I can do this.
Thanks, Mac, for a fun review!
Mac, awesome review as always! The next eight months are going to be l-o-n-g...
This is probably a pretty small point, but I thought I'd bring it up. When we first see BJ (Bearded Jack) on the Oceanic flight, the flight attendant (whose expression is "I know you, buddy, & you're not getting any more sauce") gives Jack the newspaper. But instead of it being folded up neatly, it's folded to show an inner page. I don't fly often enough to know, but don't the flight attendants usually refold the newspapers between one reader & the next? Is the paper deliberately folded in such a way that Jack will see the obit that upset him so? In other words, is someone trying to push Jack over the edge? Later on I even wondered if the flight attendant was a grey-haired Isabel, but I'm sure that's really stretching it.
Also, I finally figured out what Bearded Jack reminded me of—my brother's GI Joe doll (sorry, action figure) from circa 1974. You know, the one w/the flocked beard & the facial scar...
→ 41. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at May 24, 2007 1:30 PMI think Jack's dad is probably still dead. I think Jack was just making a sarcastic reference to the fact that his dad was an alcoholic and always drunk at work but he wasn't fired (until Jack turned him in), so Jack feels that he can be just as drunk and strung out and still be a good doctor.
→ 42. Posted by: Stacey at May 24, 2007 1:30 PMGRAA mac--going to miss you this summer.
I had most of the same questions as Connie in 17, so I am not going to repost, but I thought Charlie's death was completely avoidable.
Once again, I am going to say--they are on Brigadoon. And for those of you unfamiliar with the script, this summer is a great time to catch up with Gene Kelly and Van Johnson.
I, too, couldn't figure out why Kate, the fugitive was not in prison (or why she would live in LA) or how Dr. Daddy was still alive and practicing at our favorite hospital. I think this whole flash forward was not a spoiler but a red herring.
Don't think Mikhail is dead just yet. And how is it that Penny Widmore had the Looking Glass number--unless it is Widmore property (*or* not really Penny Widmore).
If Naomi's boat was not sent by Pen, who did and how does she (Naomi) know so much about Des?
→ 43. Posted by: boharpe at May 24, 2007 1:32 PMGreat job Mac. All of your Walt-references in point 5 are instant classics. "Man-Walt" I actually stopped to compose myself during the reading of that section.
Fantastic episode. I still think the last episode in season one still has some special shock to it where this episode was close to that with the flash-forwards, but not the same. Still, great episode. I read up on spoilers, but did not know about the flash-forwards. I'm glad I didn't because I was surprised at the end.
I'm glad that Charlie died. They couldn't milk that storyline any longer. Desmond had the visions that he was going to die and Charlie believed that taking one for the team would save everyone.
Also, I'm guessing that Charlie's oar to Desmond's head may have corrected Desmond's visions so that he no longer has them. I just say that because when Desmond showed up in the station and Charlie asked if he had any new visions, Desmond paused as if he hadn't had any in a while.
Other random thoughts:
* I think that Naomi's team will show up but be unable to leave the island. It sounds funny but remember that Desmond was sailing for two weeks (I believe) but didn't manage to leave. I'll bet that Ben will need to provide the coordinates to leave (just like he gave to Michael).
* I think that Naomi's team is working for Dharma or Penny's Dad (which actually may turn out to be the same thing). I'm leaning toward Penny's Dad being involved since Naomi had the picture of Penny and Desmond.
* It's really weird that Penny was able to connect to the station once the interface/blocking was removed. He did she manage that? Is she someone aware of Dharma?
* Mikhail. How many lives does this guy have? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he survives the grenade.
* Ben appears to be the last of the extremist within the Others (unless Mikhail survives), so it will be interesting to see how the Others respond to him.
Lastly, I'm happy that we know that there is a fixed number of remaining episodes because I don't think that they would have introduced those "flash-forwards" otherwise. But, at the same time, it seems premature to do this since we know that there are 48 episodes left. I'm guessing that there is no way that they can actually leave the island until the mid/end of the last season.
We'll see... I'm sure that next season will introduce more about Jacob, more Dharma origin storys, and more island mysteries (we'll find out about this "temple" and maybe the four-toed statue).
Marty.
→ 44. Posted by: Marty at May 24, 2007 1:32 PMNot only was the anonymous voice mail important - but so was the Razor (sp?)phone Jack was using to make the calls. I thought it was a prop failure and said, "Blew it - THAT phone wasn't out before 2004". Right thought - WRONG time period.
Thanks for another great season's reviews, Mac. Enjoy the break - from THIS show and I look forward to your return in January 2008.
→ 45. Posted by: NotinKansaNEMore at May 24, 2007 1:33 PMGRAA mac--going to miss you this summer.
I had most of the same questions as Connie in 17, so I am not going to repost, but I thought Charlie's death was completely avoidable.
Once again, I am going to say--they are on Brigadoon. And for those of you unfamiliar with the script, this summer is a great time to catch up with Gene Kelly and Van Johnson.
I, too, couldn't figure out why Kate, the fugitive was not in prison (or why she would live in LA) or how Dr. Daddy was still alive and practicing at our favorite hospital. I think this whole flash forward was not a spoiler but a red herring.
Don't think Mikhail is dead just yet. And how is it that Penny Widmore had the Looking Glass number--unless it is Widmore property (*or* not really Penny Widmore).
If Naomi's boat was not sent by Pen, who did and how does she (Naomi) know so much about Des?
→ 46. Posted by: boharpe at May 24, 2007 1:34 PMA couple of things: Jules told Sawyer that what they where working on was a runway???(by breaking the rocks when he and Kate where captured) The funeral...Ben,Jules or even Walt or Mikes??? It has to someone Jack was close to. He was really bumed out. Lastly could CANADA really have DHARMA people working there. WE ARE A PEACEFUL NATION !!!!!!
→ 47. Posted by: dantheman at May 24, 2007 1:35 PM@mac, as one of those who read the spoilers, I too wish I hadn't. I was still surprised over a few things, all of whcih have been noted already, but I truly missed the WTF experience.
I wondered why Charlie gave up. Why didn't he put the SCUBA gear on since he knew the room would flood. Why didn't he try to get out of the little window? I feel very guilty for wishing he would die - I'm sorry Charlie!!
Last night's episode left me feeling bad. I hate to admit it, but I am disappointed they apparently get off the island. I felt like Ben should have been saying, "Jack, you don't want to do this! This means the end of the series and you'll regret that."
I am hoping Jack's experience was just a flash-forward, and that he will now do something to join forces with Locke.
I also believe Jack's dad is alive. Maybe he's part of it.
The coffin did look small. I have no ideas on that one.
I tossed and turned all night long last night. Wow!
→ 48. Posted by: mif aka meg at May 24, 2007 1:35 PMI've seen speculation that the name of the deceased is Jeremy Bentham. This aligns nicely with the readable text in the article Jack ripped out.
Perhaps it is a character that gets introduced in an upcoming season.. Jeremy Bentham is the name of a philosopher, which is not unlike LOST to name a character after such a figure (Locke, Rousseau, Desmond David Hume, etc..)
One thing Jeremy Bentham was noted is the Panopticon : From Wiki -
The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience."
@46 - "If Naomi's boat was not sent by Pen, who did and how does she (Naomi) know so much about Des?" I'd say Penny's Dad - who hated Des is behind the Naomi storyline - provide the picture to identify him, etc.
→ 50. Posted by: NotInKansasNEMore at May 24, 2007 1:39 PMLooking glass girl said the computer programmer was a musician who substituted numbers for notes when he wrote the de-activation code ("Good Vibrations"). Is there a musician out there that can try that in reverse with the recurring "magic" numbers to see if it translates into anything significant?
→ 51. Posted by: maries at May 24, 2007 1:39 PMI have never been on a plane where I could get the paper from the town I was flying in to. Anyway, now Jack will be around to watch the Sox win the '07 series. Maybe he and his dad will even be there. Thank God Hurley turned the stereo down in the bus, and in the box, Eleanor Rigby.
→ 52. Posted by: lostsox at May 24, 2007 1:39 PM@Connie, #11
a) Why didn't Charlie just go out of the hatch and lock it behind him and escape with Desmond?
@rj, #21
And why Charlie couldn't have closed the door from the other side? Or held his breath and then gone out the porthole once the water stopped rushing in?
I thought the same as you guys, my only explanation was that at that point maybe Charlie thought he had to die as Des predicted, so didn't try to escape.
@Usually Lurkin, #19--thought the same thing about Jack's phone, definitely not 2004 technology.
Regarding the "future" scenes, on the island, Jack's beard stubble is flecked with gray. In the 'future' his beard is solid brown....
→ 53. Posted by: ct at May 24, 2007 1:41 PMWow. Anyone who bailed on this show because it had "jumped the shark" missed out. Great writing and acting.
I did not see the flash forward coming - though I did notice that Jack's cell phone was the latest Razer - not available at or before the time of the crash. Sounds like Dr. Dad is alive.
Obituary options -- obvious ones are Ben or Locke; more likely Locke -- nobody in the real world even knows about Ben (or maybe that's why nobody went to the funeral.)
My guess, though -- Juliette -- Jack failed to hook up with her, that's why he drinks. Now she is dead and Jack has nothing to live for, and wants to die if he can't go back to the island. Kate wouldn't attend any of these funerals, though seems other people would go to Juliette's.
Charlie died very well. Did Desomnd see his message? It was not clear to me that he did . . . Looking forward to the rest of the story.
Well done, Mac.
Your last question, regarding spoilers...I avoid every spoiler, every network promo, even "Next Week on Lost" like they're the plague. Among all of my friends who watch the show, I'm the only one who makes every effort to go into every episode cold. (I even stop reading your posts before "Next Week...)
Anyway, I've found that I am consistently happier with the show than anyone else I know. Apparently, network promos often promise "secrets revealed" and those secrets turn out to be mundane...like the origin of Jack's tattoo. Going in cold eliminates nearly all disappointment.
It's a difficult move to change the channel immediately upon the end of an episode and skip "Next Week..." but I swear to each & every one of you that you'll be happier in the long run.
AVOID SPOILERS!
→ 55. Posted by: Jeff at May 24, 2007 1:46 PMAnother home run, Mac.
--Possible Spoilers--
This episode was awesome. I think the flash forward had to do with fate. If the Losties get off the island via the big ship lollipop 80 miles off shore, Jack's fate will be the one shown tonight. I do, however, think that Desmond will prevent them from leaving on Naomi's ship. I also believe that the ship belongs to Mr. Charles Widmore.
The show continues to blow my mind.
→ 56. Posted by: Liz at May 24, 2007 1:46 PMThree thoughts:
1. Am I the only one who couldn't stop thinking of Ron Burgandy every time they showed future Jack? Especially after he stumbled out of the medicine cabinet and screamed at the other doctor, "You can't help me! I've got no heart, because a SHE DEVIL STOLE IT FROM ME!"
Suspicious Doctor: "The woman just woke up from a coma, she says she got distracted by a man on the bridge about to jump. So my question is, how did you get there so fast?"
Future Jack: "What did you say? I don't speak Spanish."
2. After seeing this episode I am thoroughly convinced that Hurley's character was inspired by R2D2.
Think about it. They both appear to be little more than squat, slow-moving characters created for comic relief. But there's always that moment in every Star Wars movie when everyone is facing certain death, and the only thing that stops it is R2 sticking his door decoder thing into some futuristic key hole.
Hurley coming out of NOWHERE with the bus served the EXACT same purpose. I mean, who saw that one coming?
3. I loved the scene where all the Beachies find out they are going to get rescued (probably) and they're playing some sappy music in the background, and then they cut to Ben's mangled, bleeding face. "And I think to myself...What a wonderful woooooorld" (Snarl, hisss, snarl). There couldn't have been a more hilarious juxtaposition of good/evil.
→ 57. Posted by: The Face at May 24, 2007 1:46 PMI could swear there were 2 explosions. Sayid & Bernard both hit their targets.
Jin missed the target, but took down 2 others. Oh, Way to spill the beans Bernard. Give away any place other than the radio tower. Not to quick with the improv. I enjoyed the suicide/sacrafice theme. Jack on the Bridge, Sayid & Jin (kinda Bernard), Locke in the ditch, Sawyer & Juliet, Jack when Locke threatens to shoot and of course Charlie.
Overall hefty body count....i count 14.
Does that seem right?
WOW!! My head hurts! What a crazy episode. Loved it & can't figure it out.
→ 59. Posted by: Dawn at May 24, 2007 1:46 PM#50 - Apparently the philosopher Jeremy Bentham was very influenced by David Hume...
→ 60. Posted by: PenFoe at May 24, 2007 1:47 PMI could swear there were 2 explosions. Sayid & Bernard both hit their targets.
Jin missed the target, but took down 2 others. Oh, Way to spill the beans Bernard. Give away any place other than the radio tower. Not to quick with the improv. I enjoyed the suicide/sacrafice theme. Jack on the Bridge, Sayid & Jin (kinda Bernard), Locke in the ditch, Sawyer & Juliet, Jack when Locke threatens to shoot and of course Charlie.
Overall hefty body count....i count 14.
Does that seem right?
I thought, according to Des, that "this time" Charlie "had" to die in order to ensure that Claire and Aaron get off the island in the helicopter? Perhaps Charlie did not want to risk altering the future by donning the SCUBA gear and avoiding his death?
→ 62. Posted by: Vikki at May 24, 2007 1:48 PMTwo things:
I saw a pic of the obituary freeze-framed and it looked like the name was Jerry Cantham...
Who is this person, who we don't know yet, who's death affects Jack to the point where he wants to kill himself...
Also, with Charlie, Des says that if Charlie does die then Claire and Aaron get rescued... So I guess Charlie died for love... How sweet is that??? 'Cause Charlie and Des could have totally gotten out of there...
→ 63. Posted by: Kate&Jack=NOGOOD at May 24, 2007 1:49 PMHow come Ben always says he's doing something for "The Island". We know there are more then one island. Just a thought.
→ 64. Posted by: Tim Cox at May 24, 2007 1:49 PM@mac
>Unfortunately, the rest of the plan doesn't work out. Jin showcases some piss-poor aim and instead of taking out the remaining others with a dynamite shot, he's forced to shoot directly. The surviving Others return fire and Jin is forced to take cover.
In defense of Jin, he had a pistol. Sayid had a rifle with telescopic sight, and Bernard had a shotgun. Pistol's a lot harder, especially in the dark. I'f I'd been arranging this every dynamite trap would have been in range of at least two shooters, if not all three. Redundancy.
Even more amazing than the fact that we now wonder how they got off the island is the fact that we now have to figure out why that will be a bad thing (at least for Jack). And we can't really hope for a happy ending any more. At least not unless the action catches up to Jack and maybe we get back to the island?
→ 66. Posted by: Andy at May 24, 2007 1:50 PMSoooo.... You know how the pharmicist denied Jack his 'scrip? The guy in the back of the line said something along the lines of "Don't you know who this guy is? He's a hero." At the time, I thought it referenced the car crash, but getting recognized like that seems like it would require an unusual amount of local news air time. Did he get recognized for how the Losties got un-lost? Plus, and this one is pretty darn interesting, Jack said the RX came from his dad. The pharmacist picked up the phone to call over there. Since she seemed to know Jack by name and have the office number on speed dial, it leads me to think that Christian is still kickin' it.
What do ya'll think?
P.S. I heart Lost
First time writer, long time reader....Could it be possible that this was a dream sequence for Jack, not a flash forward?
Great recap Mack!
I actually thought Future Jack looked like a cast member from "300" - TONIGHT, WE DINE IN HELL!!!
Oh, and I don't remember the extent of Naomi's injuries falling out of the tree and all that, but they seemed pretty serious yet she was up an walking around camp not long after and one knife in the back takes her down? Weak.
No one remembers Snuffleufugus Mountain? :o)
→ 69. Posted by: Connie at May 24, 2007 1:56 PMHey Mac - BRILLIANT ! ! !
Loved the ep. I want to answer your question about folks that knew what was coming and whether or not they still enjoyed the ep. Hell Freakin' YES ! ! ! Even though I knew exactly what was going to happen, I still had to see it played out. The dialogue, the sets, the movement - everything lends to the delivery of what you experience happening on the screen. Reading a spoiler can't convey that power. Besides, you don't know if the spoilers are accurate until it starts to happen, so up until that moment it's still uncertain exactly what will happen.
I've got so many things spinning around in my head after last nights ep that I can't possibly fill it all in this post.
Hey Mac, now that we'll be going through 9 months of withdrawal waiting for new eps why not start a "theories" section. Folks can post what they think will happen and what they think is going on for the 4th season.
Great recap Mac - my Thursday are about to get alot lonelier :-(
→ 70. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 24, 2007 1:58 PMAnyone else notice that the porthole was too small for Charlie to swim out of? When I watched the episode the second time, I looked for that speciffically and there was now way his shoulders would have fit out the porthole. Also if he had actually left that room and shut the door, Mikhal could have just swam back to the main opening and lobbed the grenade at them from there.
The Body in the casket was a man's the obiturary that Jack pulled out said "Man Found Dead" at the top of it. My guess is it was Ben, who else would have gone to his funeral, nobody that's who.
What group is Naomi really with? Anyone think that our Losties and the Others team up to fight Naomi's crew?
→ 71. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 24, 2007 2:00 PMGreat review, Mac! Was looking forward to it all day.
→ 72. Posted by: Walker at May 24, 2007 2:02 PM@The Face, comment #57...
I have yet to stop laughing at that one. Love it!
→ 73. Posted by: Combat Chuck at May 24, 2007 2:04 PMTwo questions that I have been dying know:
1. What was up with the 4 toed statue?
2. Why was Libby in the psycho hospital with Hurley?
I know they are not main questions, but they still were WTF moments that I hope someday in some world they get answered
Great episode, but I'm very wary about where the show will be heading next season. My first guess is off the Island with Flashbacks to the island rescue. My second guess is still on the Island, with Flashforwards to off the island.
Also, the creepkeeper asked if Jack was family or friend and he said neither.....my guess is Ben is the corpse, he really was trying to save them in his own weird bug-eyed way
→ 74. Posted by: WTF at May 24, 2007 2:08 PMThe song Jack was listening to in the SUV was actually Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice." It has nothing to do with Charlie.
→ 75. Posted by: mike1135 at May 24, 2007 2:09 PMOK - I want to revise/hedge my guess on the Obit - if it's a MALE whose name starts with a J -- it's JACOB. we dont' know him very well yet, but methinks Jack meets him between now and the very end. In Jack's future, if Jacob is dead, Jack is never going back, thus is suicidal.
→ 76. Posted by: JT at May 24, 2007 2:10 PMThe song Jack was listening to in the SUV was actually Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice." It has nothing to do with Charlie.
→ 77. Posted by: mike1135 at May 24, 2007 2:10 PMTwo questions that I have been dying know:
1. What was up with the 4 toed statue?
2. Why was Libby in the psycho hospital with Hurley?
I know they are not main questions, but they still were WTF moments that I hope someday in some world they get answered
Great episode, but I'm very wary about where the show will be heading next season. My first guess is off the Island with Flashbacks to the island rescue. My second guess is still on the Island, with Flashforwards to off the island.
Also, the creepkeeper asked if Jack was family or friend and he said neither.....my guess is Ben is the corpse, he really was trying to save them in his own weird bug-eyed way
→ 78. Posted by: WTF at May 24, 2007 2:10 PMWhen I heard "temple" I immediately had the idea the island was Atlantis. Have we ever suggested this on the blog?
→ 79. Posted by: The Duf at May 24, 2007 2:13 PMThe 2 hour finale had to have had at least 45 minutes of commercials. The first half was pretty ho-hum although they were obviously setting us up for the final WTF moment.
Kudos to the writers for throwing this serious curve at us. That said, the whole Jack/Ben showdown was a farce. I guess asking him point blank why we should save the island and kicking the crap out of Ben until he comes clean was out of the question. I guess Ben and his recruits are trying to keep the island and its super healing properties a secret from big brother pharmaceutical giants Merck and Pfizer who want to convert it into $5 pills that we cannot afford and have to import from Canada! Ah, Charlie? you really didn't have to lock yourself up in the hatch you know? I don't know what's up with Patchy but he clearly has super hero powers. The dentist giving up all the information reminded me of the scene from Deliverance, "squeal like a pig, squeal like a pig". Next year Sahid has a flash forward where he is now in the US infantry deployed in Iraq. He gets to give the super leg neck massage to that lady with the cat!
If they think they can keep their audience waiting until 2008 they are crazy! I have long since stopped watching the show live and barely noticed the 11 week winter hiatus this year.
In Jack's flash forward, did anyone else think that the couple sitting behind Jack looked Jin and Sun?
→ 81. Posted by: fan o' lost at May 24, 2007 2:14 PMIn Jack's flash forward, did anyone else think that the couple sitting behind Jack looked like Jin and Sun?
→ 82. Posted by: fan o' lost at May 24, 2007 2:14 PM@Mac:
Answering your question, I avoid spoilers religiously and so did not know that the flash was going to be forward, not back. Yet, very early on it was apparent something was different. What I said to Mrs. DC was that the flashbacks felt like a magician trying so hard to hide the ball, he forgot to do the trick. They weren't going anywhere, so they weren't tying in. When Jack had his 'you don't know what I've been through' line, the light came on regarding what they were hiding, and then practically every scene after that had some kind of confirmation about what the ultimate payoff was going to be.
I'm excited about the change in structure. There is now the definate possibility that the last 24 episodes can be constructed in a timeline pastiche, like Slaughterhouse Five or Pulp Fiction. I'm anticipating that we aren't going to get a straight narration of the rescue at the beginning of the next season. We'll see it from different perspectives, in bits and pieces. The nature and manner of rescue/escape is seemingly what has Jack in such a state. It will become the new central mystery for season 4, I expect.
→ 83. Posted by: Deep Cover at May 24, 2007 2:21 PMVery pleased about last nights finale would be the understatement of the world! I'll be re-watching to fuel my fire.
One tidbit - Ben was writing/reading something and there was a picture on the table of a nice looking black woman. Who dat? Naomi's mom?
→ 84. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 24, 2007 2:23 PMSo, does anyone think that it is possible that the woman and child that Jack saved on the bridge in his flash forward could have been Juliet's sister and her child? From a timeline standpoint, the child might have been too old, but . . .
@41 -- I think the flight attendant that gave Jack the newspaper from which he tore out the obit was playing exactly the same roll as Isabel was with Desmond.
→ 85. Posted by: DJ at May 24, 2007 2:23 PMRegarding Jin's "poor aim", I think that the sight on that gun had to be off. Jin has military training, so his aim should be good, but he missed both times he shot. I'm no gun expert, but I assume it would take more than two shots to figure out how to correct for a miscalibrated handgun. Both times Jin fired, he missed low and to the right.
Also, that pistol was the one that Karl donated to the cause, which came from Alex, which Ben used to shoot Locke. Considering the location of Locke's wound, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that Ben was aiming at Locke's heart, but the miscalibration caused the bullet to strike in a non-critical area (especially if that was the location where Locke's kidney would have been before it was removed)?
→ 86. Posted by: Ironfist at May 24, 2007 2:23 PM@ Mac
The miracle was the van starting in the first place. Once it had been running for some time (remember Hurley was just driving it in circles originally) I see no reason why it wouldn't start up again.
It's just like my lawnmower after a New England winter. It never wants to start up that first time, but once it does, vroom vroom.
Other quick thoughts:
Finally having the chance to see Alex and Mom together for comparison, isn't it incredible how much they do look alike? Great casting.
Charlie dies because that way he knows Claire will be saved. Of course he could have reached the door, but then the future might not play the same...
It also looked like Mikhail was "pushed
back" by the force of the grenade. He was under water. He can get better. After all, how does it compare to sonic brain death or a spear in the chest? He is "in tune" with the island's healing, just like Locke is. Expect him again.
Great finale and recap Mac.. couple of things:
- Could man in coffin be Sawyer or Michael? The scene prior to funeral home, Kate made a comment to Jack that implied Sawyer wouldnt have done anything for Jack .. therefore when Jack answered "neither" to the parlorman's, "Friend or family?", it kinda hinted at Sawyer.. but then who would Kate be with in the end ?? They would all feel betrayed by Michael since he left them stranded on the dock and no word since...
How do we know that Jack's flash forward wasnt just Desmond having a premonition while he was knocked out ?
my seven year old kept telling me that Jack looks old, but I kept resisting saying that its the beard which makes him look old.
the episode was eye popping. but have some questions
1. if stopping the Losties from making the phone call is the top priority then why did Ben travelled alone, unarmed? may be he thought Mikhail 'nine lives' will deal with already captured Charlie and the jamming will continue and also he is supremely confident of his 'talking' abilities!
2. If Charlie gets enough time to close the door from inside, he could have come outside and closed the door too! the only explanation is the door can be closed only from inside or Charlie wanted the future flash to play out and not interfere with the impending rescue!
3. How did Penny managed to call the looking glass? even if she is sending out messages in all kind of frequency, it got to be a recording rather than a live video chat!
4. Tom was pissed that Ben is loosing it. He said they should have actually shot the three captives instead of shooting into the sand. why would Ben be kind to the three captives when he has no remorse over killing 40 Dharma and lots of others!
5. And finally, the good guys! how come the others still remain good guys even after killing so many people and Sawyer is bad because he killed one? Others plot and kill people all the time, which should amount enormous amount of bad karma!
the shocked and trapped others immediately circumventing three hidden snipers is a little too much, but this is another fiction and impossibles hapen here. I didn't understand why Ben would order Mikhael to kill Bonnie & Greta? they knew Ben lied to the people about floding of the station. and if the station can continue to jam frequencies even if it flooded, why not flood it? why man the station with two people secretly? this is also my main problem with Lost. why should a user enter code and execute every 108 minute to de-magnetize when you can write a program/service which would do this automatically and more efficiently?
→ 89. Posted by: aj at May 24, 2007 2:27 PMAwesome episode! And review! What am I going to do with myself until February 2008?
I'm so happy for Hurley. I was POd after that scene with Sawyer. Last week Charlie told him he was too big to go in the boat and this week Sawyer told him he would just slow them down. Kudos to Hurley for taking things into his own hands and proving to the Losties that his size doesn't decrease his worth. That bus scene was perfect!
IIFY? (Is it February yet?)
→ 90. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 24, 2007 2:28 PMI think people who are exploring the physics of pressurized underwater labs, measuring the diameters of portholes and other such things are missing the narrative beauty of Charlie's story.
Charlie's character has always been about trying to find his inner strength--to rise above the selfish and narcissistic and act for the greater good. The mechanism supplied for his doing so was learning of his future fate from Desmond. By the time he popped up in the Looking Glass, Charlie had come to believe so thoroughly in Desmond's power of prescience that his faith gave him the strength and courage necessary to sustain him through his ordeal. If he had not believed in his fate, he would very likely have failed in his mission.
Asking why he didn't seal the door from the other side misses the point. Charlie had finally learned that the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few, or the one. The placing of hand-over-hand through the glass as a gesture of farewell in obvious homage of another heroically self-sacrificing character in a similar circumstance could not have been coincidental. The visual quoting from Star Trek II was deliberate and meaningful.
→ 91. Posted by: Deep Cover at May 24, 2007 2:31 PMWhen jack enters the funeral home the funeral director ask's Jack "Family or friend?" Jack answers "Neither"...
→ 92. Posted by: Dan at May 24, 2007 2:35 PMMy favorite line was Sawyer asking Juliet if she was doing Jack yet, and she replies, "No, are you?" I love that Sawyer gets to ask the questions the audience wishes it could ask.
→ 93. Posted by: Jen at May 24, 2007 2:35 PMI had a HORRORFYING thought.
is their any chances that season 5 or 6 could be an 'off-island' season.
i.e. they could be rescued soon?!??!?!
PLEASE NO!
→ 94. Posted by: Richard TTT at May 24, 2007 2:36 PM@aj - 7 year old watching Lost?? My 6 year old has nightmares from Wizard of Oz! :)
I was so happy for Hurley as well. It's almost as if the curse he suffered has finally been lifted. He has been made to feel so bad about his weight, but he overcame it all and made out like a hero in the end.
A little note about "Smokey". When I watched the eight o clock show, the producers said something suggesting Smokey was a "collective entity" that read the minds of the losties and produced what they yearned for. Perhaps Smokey is indeed the metaphorical box.
→ 95. Posted by: meg at May 24, 2007 2:36 PMI am not even sure where to start. I havent read all the posts yet because I figure I have plenty of time. Acutally there might need to be a seperate dsicussion for each key point!
Anyway I loved the episode.
As for the TWIST and not knowing:
Had no idea - I stopped reading spoilers about it because I love the surprise of this show. I am so bad I thought when Kate first appeared that she was in Jack's back story! it wasn't until he said that they had to go back that I realized what it was. I even thought (when I saw Jack's cell phone) - that is a screw up the razor phone is too new for pre-2004!It never occured to me it was the future!
Few thoughts
1) Is it just Kate and Jack who are off the island?
2) I think the funeral was for Sawyer but could be talked into Ben or Locke.
3) The way that Jack said "you know where it is" to meeting him makes me think him and kate had something secret going on for a while and she had recently ended it.
4) I think Charlie didn't try to save himself in anyway b/c he had resigned himself to fate.
5) Next favorite line - when the girls are on the phone with Ben - "its charlie, tell him I said hi"
Anyway I am sure I will post more when I get a chance to read it all!
→ 96. Posted by: Melissa at May 24, 2007 2:36 PMmac,
I did NOT read spoilers or watch previews, but it seemed pretty obvious from the beginning that Jack was having a future flash. I already had a sense of the timeline from before the island, and growing a long beard (with grey hair!), becoming an alcoholic/drug addict, etc., did not fit in the timeline.
For me it would have been a surprise if Jack did NOT meet up with Kate at the end. Seriously. Very disappointed.
I have to disagree with everyone who said this was a good episode. I thought it was okay. Maybe I'm just too hung up on getting answers at this point.
What's sad is that more and more, it doesn't look like Darlton will ever give us big reveals. I think they'll introduce many, many, many more questions and then just gloss over the answers as if it doesn't matter.
There are many examples of this; one that comes to mind is Ben's plan to convince Jack to remove his tumor. Paulo overhears Ben explain to Juliet that he'll get caught ON PURPOSE so that Michael can free him and get sympathy enough for Jack to help him go after Walt, so that the Others can then capture Jack, and then "break" Jack so that he would convert to an Other, then finally Jack would agree to remove Ben's tumor. Ridiculous.
How about the Numbers? 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, those numbers? The numbers that win money? The numbers that show up everywhere? The numbers that drove a man insane? And the answer is... the.... Val..en..tino?..xeno? ziti? Well, who cares anyway, right?
So, yeah. LOST is wearing thin with me. I really just want answers, but the grim reality is that the writers don't have any answers. They are great with questions and mystery, but they're just not insightful enough to give us any decent answers. It's all so sad. Sad but true.
But, hey, mac, at least your recap is entertaining. Usually more entertaining than the episode, but that's just how things go sometimes. Thanks anyway, mac.
→ 97. Posted by: Dan at May 24, 2007 2:37 PMMac, I've been reading your blog for all of season 3 and I have to say that you are a GREAT writer. I always have to laugh out loud when I read your reviews. Excellent job.
By the way, this was the BESTEST episode EVERRRRRRR.
→ 98. Posted by: Red56 at May 24, 2007 2:40 PMI have some mixed feelings on the flash forward. While I loved that it was a flash into the future vs. another backstory, I'm pretty bummed that Jack's life seems to go downhill. How much of this future is set in stone? Can the future be changed? I really hope so. Otherwise, why spend 3 more years watching if we know they (At least Kate and Jack) get off the island and Jack turns into a zero? I'm leaning towards the idea that the flash forward is a possibility of what the future could hold instead of a definite this is what happens.
Along with many of the previous posts, I'm also wondering why Kate isn't in jail...
→ 99. Posted by: shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 24, 2007 2:40 PMMy thoughts on new mysteries:
I was the first to post in these demense that the partial view of the name on the obit appeared to suggest "Jeremy Bentham" was the stiff in the box. There's a whole new timeline (complete with new characters) to be explored between rescue and the time of Jack's flashforward.
Kate's new man is Christian Sheppard. This will complete Jack's Oedipal complex. No, I've got no theory about why Jack's dad might not be dead after all, but this is "Lost". Dead people don't seem to stay dead.
Jack is tortured because he had to make some BIG decision at the point of rescue/escape which caused losties to be left behind.
Kate is not in jail because she assumed the identity of a dead lostie when rescued, then went back underground before she could be discovered. Her anonymous voicemail box and preference for clandestine meetings is the big clue here.
→ 100. Posted by: Deep Cover at May 24, 2007 2:42 PMI'm really hung up on the Walt thing. It seems obvious that it's really smokey in disguise (d/t whispering right before his appearance, where would he get bigger clothes that fit him.. )
I've noticed that Smokey only manifests himself as DEAD people from off-island (Yemi, Daddy Shepard, Mommy Linus . ...) Does this mean that M/W ate it on the boat? This caused much consternation with the hubby.
Juliet is a bad-ass. She lies like a rug and people still buy what she says.
Still want Ethan back. {sigh}
→ 101. Posted by: EthansGrrl at May 24, 2007 2:47 PM1. Who else from the show Las Vegas is going to appear on the show? Maybe Ed Deline is on the ship that Jack called.
2. Any chance this is a "desmonition" like in the movies Final Destination, where you see exactly how things happen before someone does something to change it?
Just some random thoughts...
→ 102. Posted by: Three men and a baby...I counted Hugo twice... at May 24, 2007 2:50 PMfirst to post. yea!
→ 103. Posted by: One Eyed Willy at May 24, 2007 2:51 PM3 comments
Looks like Jin has bad aim both with Sun and explosives
I may be mistaken, but I am almost positive that we saw the funeral director before, when Ben first comes to the island he is standing right behind young Ben.
Also, I am pretty sure I heard Tom tell the other "other" that they would have killed Jin, Sayid, and Bernard and not put a couple bullets in the sand. Does this mean that Ben is a little soft on the losties?
@89 aj - RE: Tom. I interpreted Tom's statement differently. I thought he said something to the effect of 'if we'd have followed Ben's orders we would have killed three men instead of putting three holes in the sand.'
I think Tom was doubting Ben's leadership skills. Somehow he convinced Pryce and other other to not kill the hostages. I'm not sure how he did that in one minute after the 3 hostages had killed 7 of their friends.
I think Ben would have had no hesitation in having the 3 hostages killed. I can't remember if Ben looked surprised when Hurley called and said they were all alive.
→ 105. Posted by: GFish at May 24, 2007 2:54 PMThe flash back/forward was the ****. Jack had talked about his dad and then his ex-wife came in all preggers I really figured they were in the past. But as far as we know Jack didnt know Kate before the crash unless he just dosent remember her from his drug induced stupor. Jack (fox)is really a very good actor. I bet Kate was talking about Sawyer. I think under that mean hard exterior there is a real man who is just afraid to let himself go. I saw it in the cages. How could Ben even know that Naomi is a bad guy. Hasen't he been camping for about a week or more. I know they know everything but their contact with the outside world was supposed to be broken when Locke blew up eye-patch guy's place wasn't it? That was strange when Walt showed up. He was the last person I expected to see. Charlie really did die, unless of course he gets resurected by the island. If it was me I sure would have swam out thru the porthole. I really hated Sawyer for talking to Hurley like that. And hurray for Hurley for saving everyone. But I wasn't really too surprised to see Jin, Syaid and Bernard alive. No, dont know why. One of the best episodes this year.
→ 106. Posted by: gay at May 24, 2007 2:54 PMI'm actually a little disappointed that Hurley killed Pryce. I was hoping Hurley would prove to be a distraction but wouldn't do any actual killing. Obviously, he was pushed into this by the comments made to him (first by Charlie, then by Sawyer) but it still leaves me with a bad feeling.
→ 107. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 24, 2007 3:02 PM@meg
my 7 year old has been watching it for some time now. when some unusual scene is about to come, she would know it and close her eyes! surprisingly the only thing which disturbs her is the Lost title music!
some more thoughts on the episode:
Ben teasingly asks Jack why does he want to get out of the island so badly? what is in store for him outside! it turned out be pretty dark for Jack on the outside, inheriting his Daddy's alcaholism and suicidal! what a grim picture!
I think the next three season will be about Jack finding his way back to the island! I am not sure if that is going to be interesting enough!
→ 108. Posted by: @aj at May 24, 2007 3:03 PM@meg
my 7 year old has been watching it for some time now. when some unusual scene is about to come, she would know it and close her eyes! surprisingly the only thing which disturbs her is the Lost title music!
some more thoughts on the episode:
Ben teasingly asks Jack why does he want to get out of the island so badly? what is in store for him outside! it turned out be pretty dark for Jack on the outside, inheriting his Daddy's alcaholism and suicidal! what a grim picture!
I think the next three season will be about Jack finding his way back to the island! I am not sure if that is going to be interesting enough!
→ 109. Posted by: aj at May 24, 2007 3:04 PMYeah! I accounted for 3 of the numbers so far : 4, 16 and 23.. Can this be 108?
→ 110. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 3:04 PMHow about this as a possible explanation?
There are multiple realities that are able to converge on the island. Desmond,Naimi, Penny, and Penny's father are from one reality. In their reality, nobody survives the plane crash. In a different reality, the plane does crash.
When they leave the island, Jack and others go to Naimi's reality where they don't belong. The Jack from that reality is dead from the plane crash, so there are not two Jacks running around. Jack doesn't fit there and is having major issues, so he wants to return to the island and get back to his reality
This may help explain what they will do for 3 more seasons.
If this makes sense to anyone, see if you can fit Ben and the other others into a reality. Are they from a 3rd reality and travel back and forth to Jack's reality and Desmond's reality?
→ 111. Posted by: Mark at May 24, 2007 3:05 PM@vacc/29:
Great transcription of the obit -- that's pretty much what I made it out to be as well.
@Mac & @Kaytied/67:
I noticed as well, that the man in the drug store called Jack a hero, but never actually referred to the car crash. The new doctor (played by James Lesure) also referred to Jack as "a hero, twice over" when he was talking to Jack at the hospital, and so I think here he was also referring
first? great finale!
→ 1. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 24, 2007 12:55 PM