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My good friend Biffs did a few pvr pauses and screen shots.
the man in the rocking chair looks awfully similar to Christian Shepard.

http://tinyurl.com/2z55lo

hmmm

Sorry for the double post. But look at that Tie, isn't that the tie that all those ppl were wearing when questioning Hugo in the mental hospital, including Jack?

I totally called the Charlie sighting before it even happened! I knew that's who Hurley was running from. It's like Damon, Cuse, and I are one mind! :)

Mac...I missed you so!! *collapses breathlessly in mac's arms*

Hey Mac, it's great to have you back! Hope Little Mac & all are doing well.

Jack's gotten quite interested in killing these days, no? First he beats BEB (Bug-Eyed Ben) to a bloody pulp & tells Kate he'll kill him when rescue is imminent. Then he has no trouble overriding Locke's statement that he (Jack) won't kill him (Locke). I got the impression that Locke was surprised that Jack pulled the trigger... It appears that Jack has exchanged "Do no harm" for "An eye for an eye" as an oath.

Does Hurley feel like he betrayed the Lostaways by going w/Locke? It seems like he (Hurley) has taken refuge in the psych institution. And yes, Matthew Abbadon is pretty scary. Just for grins, I did a Google search on Abbadon & found 1) in Hebrew, Abaddon means "destruction" & that many Biblical scholars consider Abaddon to be Satan, the anti-Christ, or a dark angel (from Wikipedia); 2) in the Star Wars universe, Had Abbadon was an ancient mythic planet that may have been the home of the Jedi Order (from Wookieepedia).

Just as a final note, did anyone else wonder if the blonde w/her back to Hurley after Charlie's departure is Libby?

Could the man in the casket in the season 3 finale be Locke? It would make sense that Jack would go but say Locke isn't a friend or relative. Then he tells Kate he thought she'd be there and she says "why?"
This may have been discussed after last season's finale, but I kind of dropped off the blog for a while.

Great start to season 4! But the writers strike could ruin the season, and that really makes me angry! The strike needs to be resolved asap!

Maybe you could go the Robert J. Sawyer route and call the future scenes "flashforwards". Seems a handier term.

Love your reviews!

Just wanted to point out that Locke did indeed fire the old gun he found in the season three finale as he was aiming at the sat phone.

It seems that now Locke is the main guy on the island, and not Ben. Ben is currently under Jack's custody and he (locke) and Jacob are having meetings in Jacob's dissapearing house. Why is Ben so afraid of the people that are coming?, i mean he tells Russeau to take Alex away, anywhere, just not there and he even asks Jack to let him go with Locke even though he shot him and left him for dead. How does John Locke know that the people that are coming are evil? Could it be that the people that are coming to the "rescue" are the remainders of the Dharma iniciative coming to get some payback and kick Ben's ass for killing their comrades. hmmmm
Ah so many questions.
It was really freaky to see Jacob in the Rocking chair.
Great episode, lots of stuff to wait for on next weeks episode.
Great to hear from you again Mac.

The lawyer that visited Hurley in the nuthouse looks like the Haitian "mind eraser" from "Heroes". 6'-5" not 7'-10"...

- Locke did shoot the gun at the ground next to the sat phone in TTLG, so maybe there was only one bullet?

- I would guess that the casket does not contain one of the Oceanic Six because they're celebrities, and it would make bigger news than a tiny blurb in the newspaper.

- My favorite line was cannonball.

- Remember the Hoffs Drawlar funeral parlor? So the writers use the term "flashforward" for the future-flashes.

I wondered if the blonde in the mental institution was Juliette. It sure looked like her from behind. When I first saw the guy sitting in Jacob's chair, I thought it was Jack, and I thought the guy who popped up in the window looked like Sayid. Now that I've seen the still picture, I think it looks like Christian. I could have sworn the guy had dark hair, though!

It's me again. I just wanted to clarify--I don't think that Christian Shepard is Jacob. I think Jacob can take whatever form he wants, such as Christian or Hurley's Dave, or Kate's horse.

Hey Mac, welcome back. I've been reading this blog since season 1, but barely ever posted. I loved this episode and actually almost shed a tear when hurley and claire were grieving over Charlie...Almost.. Anywho, great to have you back Mac (rhyme time!) even if it is just for 8 episodes (let's pray the writers get what they want)

><> Keep Swimmin'

My theory on The Oceanic 6:
Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sawyer, Michael, Walt.
All of the people that were on the dock at the end of season 2

did anyone else see the commercial in Eli Stone? The Oceanic commercial that had the glitch and the guy says "I can't trust them..." and he says "I found the flight?"
And they show shots of the plane and it's UNDERWATER???????!!!!!!!
What gives? Are they all dead?

Mac's Back!!! Are you real or will you disappear again if I count to five?

I think Matthew Abbadon was ol' Smokey taking human form, like when he appeared as Eko's brother.

Did Sayid go with Locke or stay with Jack?

I can't believe there are only 7 more episodes!

I also noted the similarity between the Oceanic guy and the Haitian!!!

Could Penny be Naomi's sister? Half sister?

And where Hurley says he made the wrong choice in going with Locke...who says that was the choice he made in this episode....theres still a whole lotta choices left to go!!!

Thats all i noted....

No one else recognizes Matthew Abbadon as Lt. Daniels from the Wire? He plays a very gentle soul on that show so it was a surprise to see him in that role. It seems pretty obvious that helicopter dude from Saving Private Ryan is obviously George, things are getting very interesting. As always, they have raised a lot more questions than they have given answers. Genius.

Also, where 'charlie' swims to the window in the questioning room, his hand bears the message 'they need you' instead of 'not pennys boat'....

I've been calling them front stories.

I'm wondering if we will have anymore back stories - it seems like there was more history there to learn.

Great episode, and great recap and analysis by Mac and all.

I'm wondering if Juliette was in the casket, which would also explain Kate's bitterness. My husband thinks Sun because she got pregnant on the island. Good thought though that there would be more attention if the death were one of the "Oceanic Six."

I think it was Locke in the Jacob Shack.

When Charlie mentioned Naomi to Penny, she said, "Who's Naomi?" So if Penny is Naomi's sister, she doesn't appear to know she exists.

Can't wait for next week!!

Great episode.

Anyone who thinks the writers don't know what they are doing is lost himself.

Going back to "Through the Looking Glass", did anyone else notice that when Jack is on the Bridge getting ready to jump off, he whispers "Forgive Me!", ....but it is a woman's voice?

Could he be channeling one of "The Betrayed"?

Just a thought.

Thanks to everyone who pointed out that Locke *did* shoot the gun in the season 3 finale. I totally forgot about that! -- mac

Ok, what the heck did this episode tell us that we DIDN'T already know?

1) People get off the island, then seriously regret it.
2) Locke and Jack have a little disagreement.
3) Naomi may or may not be who she says she is.
4) Kate still has sticky fingers.
5) Sawyer still plays whatever side suits him at the time.
6) Jack is still too arrogant to see he may be wrong about something.
7) Bernard and Rose are still staying. 8) Charlie is still dead.

So what???????????????? We knew all that ahead of time! Sure, we may not have known that HURLEY was one of the people off, but this episode was almost a non-event! People cry, people are hurting....but we still are no closer to knowing WHY than we were 8 months ago.

BOOOOOOO!!!!

Taylor0822

@Becky: I thought that Locke was the man in the coffin too after this episode. He had no family or friends. Perhaps his legs are amputated after leaving the island because they don't really work?

@Dan: The Oceanic 6 might be something that registers in your brain after 2-3 years but Jack even says that he only has to give a few autographs and the cops don't seem to recognize Hurley when they take him down.

@Clementine: I believe that Sayid went with Jack. We saw the main characters who went with Locke: Sawyer, Hurley, Danielle, Ben, Alex, presumably Karl (Alex's boyfriend)

Overall I was on the edge of my seat again. You know they're always going to leave more questions than answers. Hurley seems to be making quite a career out of crashing cars!

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I think it's worth noting that Hurley SAW Jacob right away. Even Locke did not see him when he first entered the cabin with Ben last season. Interesting...Hurley must be "special" to the island as well.

Hurley sees Christian shepherd in the rocking chair at Jacob's cabin. And it is Jacob who pops up in front of the window!

Also, Jack's former wife who I seem to recall being pregnant prior to the crash appears as noticably pregnant in last year's finale, when she sees downward spiral Jack in the hospital. So are we to assume all of this takes place in the span of 6 months? Its only been 3 on the island so far.....

Finally, I'm not sure its safe to say Kate is part of the Oceanic 6 - she was a fugitive before, she doesn't just get immunity for surviving on a freaky island for 3 months. In other words, she was rescued, just not publicly acknowledged.

We paused it when the eye pops up in the window of Jacob's house and scares Hurley, and its definitely not Locke's eyeball, and it doesn't look recognizable eitehr. Any thoughts? Someone we don't know yet?

Also, whatever happened to Ms. Klugh? I was thinking about her today for some reason. Will she come back?

I don't think the coffin person was one of the "Oceanic Six" either, since it would've been more publicized. I wonder who it was...

I'm so glad LOST is back. :)

Just a comment on Locke's gun. If you remember from the episode where Ben shot Locke and he fell into the pit, Locke got the gun from one of the dead people so he could shoot himself. He looked into the barrel to see if it was loaded and there were a few bullets in it, but it wasn't fully loaded. This explains why the gun was empty by the time Jack tried to shoot Locke in last night's episode. It was quite a surprise to me that he pulled the trigger. My theory on the Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Sayid.

Welcome back, everyone.
Mac, you posted a recap and didn't notify the forum?!?!?!?!?! :(

@Hurling: Ugh, my bad. I'll post one now. -- mac

Mac, thanks! So glad you're back...we all missed you madly!

Something interesting to note concerning the Oceanic 6:

Back in mid-December, Kristen Veech (from E! Watch with Kristen) had posted the following "teaser" to her blog:

"Well, the Oceanic 6 are the 6 people who get off the Island and are semi-famous. They are...." She went on to list the names! More recently, in a video she did earlier this week to preview the S4 premiere, she mentioned the Oceanic 6 and explained that Damon and Carlton had personally asked her to remove the names from her site, which she did.

However, if you want to see her original post and the NAMES of the supposed Oceanic 6, go to spoilerfix(dot)com and scroll down to the "general" section and read the post from Dec. 13. I will NOT list the names here out of respect to those who do not want to possibly be spoiled. Very unfair and uncool, so if you do go and look, don't come back here and post em.

What I'm curoius about is the possibility that this was a designed ploy/diversion on the part of the producers. Perhaps they purposely fed her mis-information and then asked her to "remove" it so that these names would seem legit. Or, maybe they are accurate. If so, there is one name inparticular that is missing that causes me great anxiety.

Can't wait till next week!

I would add to taylor0822's list that Hurley can see Jacob.

I recommend http://flyoceanicair*com/. Interesting video regarding another character of Lost.

This was the same guy that cut in on the Oceanic Air commercial at the end of the Eli Stone show, but this video has more information in it. Just a minute or two.

I have a feeling that it is another online game, and not really related to the show.

Great marketing by the producers, especially with the Writers' strike cutting the season short. They know people will follow this just to keep up on their favorite show.

Dude! My first thought at the end of the episode was "Can't wait to checkout Mac's comments." Thanks for the recap.

Just a comment on Locke's gun. If you remember from the episode where Ben shot Locke and he fell into the pit, Locke got the gun from one of the dead people so he could shoot himself. He looked into the barrel to see if it was loaded and there were a few bullets in it, but it wasn't fully loaded.
→ 28. Posted by: LL at February 1, 2008 09:24 AM

I re-watched the ep were Locke is going to shoot himself, when he open it it has completed loaded (six bullets). I remmember this I was thinking with the way he was holding the gun to his head he was going to miss or just graze his head but he would have five more bullets.

Did anyone else notice Hurley's drawing right before Charlie appeared? Looked like an igloo. I wonder if there's any connection btwn that picture and Penny's team (remember they were stationed somewhere that appeared to be in the artic)?

BTW: Great episode!

Welcome back Mac.

The eye in Jacob's Love Shack was certainly Locke's. I DVR'd it and you can tell by the wrinkles around his eye that it's him. Does this mean now that Hurley has the "island" ability if he can see Jacob? Was the "it" he was refering to when talking to Jack in the future the island, or possibly Jacob?

Also, in rewatching "Through the Looking Glass" the night before, the coffin that Jack stands over at the funeral is really small. If anyone else noticed it, let me know I'm not crazy. It almost looked Walt sized, if he wasn't ten feet tall by now.

Mac, may I suggest "Flash-forward" if looking to replace "future-flash".

I would have to disagree about Locke's death being well publicized. If you look in the obituaries there are almost always some minor celebrity who did one thing several years ago that you would say, "Oh, I remember him/her." Not semi-famous person who dies is big news.

I think it's interesting that Hurley said to Jack while at the mental institution that he shouldn't have went with Locke. Hurley seems to be regretting his decision to go with Locke and somehow that decision seems to have affected everyone and been very crucial in the way things turned out. Also interesting: even though Hurley decided to leave with Locke, he and Jack BOTH were rescued.

Or, who knows, it may have been that Hurley decided to leave with Locke to spruce up Jacob's cabin and the decision has nothing to do with the outcome of the rescue whatsoever. He may simply be regretting a wallpaper choice.

@ Clementine: just rewatched and Sayid is definitely with Jack.

@ Hurly is Hot: Mrs. Klugh died at the end of last season. She had Mickhail shoot her outside the communication station after Sayid, Locke and Kate captured them.

Other thoughts:

Naomi's sister could possibly be Nadia? Remember, Nadia has crossed paths with Locke and Cahrlie in addition to Sayid.

My fav line was when Rose called the satellite phone a gizmo! I love that word (and use it all the time)

For those of you that think that Jacob might be Christian Shepherd, have you seen Mobisode #13 on the ABC site? If not, check it out -- it is a flashback to the the crash and invovles a live Christian talking with Vincent!

Man in casket? My money is on Michael. We know it is a man and he was from NY. Michael fits the bill and is also neither family to Jack nor a friend since his betrayal put the wheels in motion for the initial capture.

ive been thinking it could be michael in the casket. one of the only enlightening pop ups on wednesdays re airing of the finale indicated that the person who died was born in new york and died in la. this would also explain jack saying he was neither friend nor family if nothing else transpired after michael left the island. i cant explain why walt wouldnt be at the viewing unless he has used his powers to trick a bird into taking him back to the island and then killing the bird and its whole family, but michael hasnt been shown to have any other family.

@SuperMe

As mentioned before, there is still PLENTY more show left, the decision to go with Locke could very well be another point in time where they have to split up again. I guess we cannot jump to any conclusions yet.
If anyone needs me, I will be hibernating until next Thursday!

Okay, so I'm looking screenshots of Jacob as seen in last season and I'm noticing some differences: he's a bit more cleaned up in last night's episode than the first time we saw him. In the past, it looks like he's wearing the Other's "tromping through the forest" gear and his hair is longer and more unkempt. Now he has on a suit and got a haircut. What gives? Did he clean up because he knew Hurley was coming for a visit and first impressions matter?

I'm going out on a limb here and saying Jacob is one of the survivors of the Black Rock. I know it probably ran aground over 200 years ago, but dang it, if that Richard Alpert didn't age in over 30 years, what's another 170 for someone with awesome light-flashing powers like Jacob?

Welcome back Mac!

I missed this forum. The only thing I'm going to add is that I don't think the man sitting in the chair was Christian Shepard. I think it was Charlie. We know the island makes people see things from their past, that would make sense in this case. Plus when i tivod it last night, it looked a lot like Charlie with his new haircut.

Also, did anyone catch what the wind was saying when Hurley found the cabin? I tried to listen, but I couldn't get a clear sound.

My question is why when Hurley was asked about Ana Lucia, did he claim to not know her? Is that part of the, "you didn't say anything" that Jack was talking about when he visited Hurley.

Welcome back everyone!

So the person who said it was going to come down to a Jack verse Locke camps was right based on what we learn from last nights EP.

I was thinking about this question and what I would do if I was on the island and had to make the choice. I would go with Locke because of the all the strangeness on the island and the warning from Charlie. Also if I was wrong then I would be one of the last to get off the island but if I was with Jack I would be dead if the people coming are who Ben thinks they are.

I was thinking it would be intersting for all us to post who we would choose and why. Post if you like.

Hey guys! Does anyone know of a website where we could re-watch the Oceanic air add that aired during Eli-Stone???
I think that that add is really important to this episode.
Mac??? Anyone???

Welcome back, Mac and "Lost"!

I didn't notice how tan Kate was, but I did notice how thin Jack is. Someone give the good(?) doctor a sandwich!!

Oh it's good to have the show back. And you too Mac.

I agree with your comments about Hurley. There clearly seems to be some potential for him to become a very pivotal character. Also, he's always had some sort of relationship with the island....I'm thinking of the numbers and how they played into his life pre and post crash. The fact that he saw Jacob and the shack only reinforces this.

The six; I would think that in addition to Jack, Kate and Hurley, you would have to add Jin and Sun (they had to get off the island if she wanted to live) and Juliet who wanted to get off the island as much as anyone.

Fun episode and again, it's great to have the Lost Blog back again.

Thanks Mac!

Oh, and I don't think we should forget . . .

MIF!!

I agree with #37 that the coffin looked small. I noticed this right away last season. I think that it is Walt who is in the coffin. We don't know how far in the future the funeral takes place, but it may only be a few months after their supposed rescue. Remember, they've only been on the island for 90 days, so if only a few months have passed since the rescue and the funeral, then Walt would not have grown more than a few inches. Remember he was only 9 I believe at the time of the crash. So even if a year had passed (3 months on island, 9 months post-rescue) he would still be only 10, which would call for a smaller casket. So let's assume it is Walt in the coffin. If Walt and Michael did actually make it home after Ben released them in Season 2, surely part of the deal would have been that they would have to be under hidden identities. Otherwise there would be too many questions from the media about the fate of the other passengers, which Ben would have none of. Ben does not want anyone to know about the existence of his special island, let alone to find it. So under new identities, Michael and Walt would have no family or friends. Also, Jack is neither Walt's family nor friend, since Walt was only a kid, and Jack really had little contact with him anyway on the island. So then why wouldn't Micheal at least be at the funeral? Well I'm sure he would be unless he is dead himself by this time. And why would the other Oceanic 6 not go to the funeral (like Kate)? Well maybe it will be revealed later that Walt did something bad/evil, which contributed to the fate of at least some of the Losties. Therefore they'd have no interest in his death. Or maybe some would, like Jack. Perhaps there is contraversary amoung the Losties as to who is good or bad. Wasn't Walt also born in NY? And if that's where he and Michael lived prior to the crash then perhaps that's where they returned after being sent home by Ben.

Not sure if this means anything or maybe it's just a production oversight, but Jack's beard definitely grows a little during his scene with Hurley in the gym when they shoot some hoops.

I found it interesting because he mentions he may grow a beard.

I agree with #37 that the coffin looked small. I noticed this right away last season. I think that it is Walt who is in the coffin. We don't know how far in the future the funeral takes place, but it may only be a few months after their supposed rescue. Remember, they've only been on the island for 90 days, so if only a few months have passed since the rescue and the funeral, then Walt would not have grown more than a few inches. Remember he was only 9 I believe at the time of the crash. So even if a year had passed (3 months on island, 9 months post-rescue) he would still be only 10, which would call for a smaller casket. So let's assume it is Walt in the coffin. If Walt and Michael did actually make it home after Ben released them in Season 2, surely part of the deal would have been that they would have to be under hidden identities. Otherwise there would be too many questions from the media about the fate of the other passengers, which Ben would have none of. Ben does not want anyone to know about the existence of his special island, let alone to find it. So under new identities, Michael and Walt would have no family or friends. Also, Jack is neither Walt's family nor friend, since Walt was only a kid, and Jack really had little contact with him anyway on the island. So then why wouldn't Micheal at least be at the funeral? Well I'm sure he would be unless he is dead himself by this time. And why would the other Oceanic 6 not go to the funeral (like Kate)? Well maybe it will be revealed later that Walt did something bad/evil, which contributed to the fate of at least some of the Losties. Therefore they'd have no interest in his death. Or maybe some would, like Jack. Perhaps there is contraversary amoung the Losties as to who is good or bad. Wasn't Walt also born in NY? And if that's where he and Michael lived prior to the crash then perhaps that's where they returned after being sent home by Ben.

Very glad the show is back and very glad you are back Mac. Thanks.

ABC kept advertising this as a 2 hour premiere. It was actually a 1 hour episode with a 1 hour recap. ABC also did a recap last night.

I feel a bit ripped off! I was expecting 2 hours of new but just got 1.

ABC kept advertising this as a 2 hour premiere. It was actually a 1 hour episode with a 1 hour recap. ABC also did a recap last night.

I feel a bit ripped off! I was expecting 2 hours of new but just got 1.

Welcome back MAC! GRAA..
Hey you all everybody - did anyone else hear Naomi say something like "Isabella... tell my sister I love her..." Just before she died. I could have sworn she said Isabel or Isabella. Anyone?

One other thing that totally bugs me - nothing to do with plot or anything, just the makeup people. In TTLG, Charlie had the snot beat out of him and was bleeding A LOT. When Sayid freed him and he went over to the shot blonde girl to get the code to turn off the jamming equipment, his face is clean as can be. No blood at all. Then, when he's entering the code, he's all bloody again. Just bugged me that the makeup people and the proofers missed this in post production.

Anxiously awaiting next week's epi.

Welcome back everyone! Missed you!

I just wanted to add to my posting about it being Walt in the coffin. The only thing that does not fit with this assumption is the part of Walt standing over Locke in the open grave and looking clearly older. But this vision of him could later be explained along with Hurley's vision of Charlie post-death and all the other strange visions on the island. The fact that Walt was older in the vision really can't be helped with the filming timeline. Perhaps the writer's tried to disguise the actor's aging by the angle they filmed him to hide his height.

I think Naomi's sister is Cindy's scarf!!

(That's either really funny or 8mo's away has my sense of LOST humor WAY off!!)

I love the name 'The Oceanic Six'...very solid!

No other coments...just a good continuation of last season's finale. Can't beat a Hurley-centric episode too.

I guess the big QUESTION this EP creates is who are the Oceanic 6. We knew two of them, Jack and Kate and now Hurley. So who are the other three. It has to be three other people from the plane so it can not be Juliet or Desmond. I believe it is Claire, Aaron, Sawyer, and Jin. I know this is four but would Aaron (Claire baby) be grouped as an Oceanic 6 since he was born on the island. Anyone else have a guess?

I am so glad to be back here discussing and waxing philosophically about LOST...it has been way too long!

@rhondab57....I too thought it was Juliet at the table at the institution behind Hurley...

Some thoughts and questions...

Did Hurley ever reveal to anyone else on the island that he had won the lottery? Or is Bernard the first person to hear of this?

I think it is interesting that Hurley remarked to Bernard as well that "when I go back I am going to be free" but yet when we see him in the flash-forward, he seems more trapped by something/someone than ever...looks like his bad luck curse hasn't run its course after all...

Who are the "they" that Matthew Abbodal is referring to when he questions Hurley in the hospital?

I am stuck on the whole Hurley sees Jacob's cabin thing...First, does anyone else think that the name Jacob holds anything significance to the biblical reference of Jacob's ladder? It seems like an obvious reference, but maybe too obvious? Second, does this mean Hurley sees "Jacob" because he is as in tune with the island's "powers" as Locke is? I thought the fact that he saw the cabin door open in his second vision was signficant because maybe it symbolized an invitation? Like Hurley is worthy enough to be "let in" on Jacob's secret? I too thought it was Christian Shepard in the rocking chair...when I paused it on that frame, I could have sworn it was.

I was also VERY intrigued by what DC (dead Charlie) said to Hurley: "I am dead, but I am here" because it struck me that this line could also apply to unusual visions of other characters:
-Eko's brother
-Jack's father

And other odd visions on the island:
-Kate's horse
-backwards talkin' drippin' wet Walt
-suddenly aged Walt who talks to Locke when he is in the pit

What does it all mean???? And P.S....how could the other guy in the institution give Hurley a head's up about the "guy staring at him"??? Does this mean other people can actually see DC???

Sorry for the looooooooooong post...I am just so excited to be back!!! I am looking forward to everyone's insights and can't wait to continue the conversation...

Namaste and WGNABB!

Maybe something happened on the island that forced the crew to leave and in turn had only space to bring alone 6 members?

Also, my favorite line I'm surprised no one mentioned it... was:

Ben to Jack: With your permission Jack, I would like to go with John.

can tell you how good it feels to be back with the ol' gang...u guys are my people

anyway...u know the guy in the bath robe walking around outside with hurley at the institution...he could see charlie...what was the deal with that?

maybe that guy was a figment of hurley's imagination

http://www*gitsiegirl*com/the-lost-experience-explained/

This website talks about the online game, "The Lost Experience". One of the bullet points really intrigued me, simply because of Hugo's drawing of the eskimo's and icehouse.
It mentions that testing has been done on mental patients in Iceland. Now, I know that Iceland is very green, and Greenland is mostly ice, but for some reason I think this has to be connected somehow, or maybe I'm just losing it.

Thanks Mac for a great recap!

@Vikki - how could the other guy in the institution give Hurley a head's up about the "guy staring at him"???

I was wondering the same thing. My only thought is that I am not too sure that any of the characters around Hurley are real. I think that he might be having severe hallucinations and that he imagined the other patient as a way to introduce his brain to Charlie.

Wouldn't it be crazy if we found out he hallucinated Jack at the end too - as he thought Jack would be after life on the island returning to medicine. But really Jack is falling apart too?

I think the person in the coffin is Ben. The man has no family and certainly not a friend. I also am curious as to who Kate is with after the rescue and suspect it is the same guy she was in love with before she became a fugitive.

Ok, i finally found the effing site.
http://tinyurl.com/2fzkc8

On this site you can watch the Oceanic air add from last night that aired sometime in the middle of Eli Stone, you can clearly see the wreckage at the bottom of the ocean and the bearded Aussie dude there says: "I cannot trust these people", so is he ON the search and rescue boat that Naomi and E.T. dude are on???

.....George McClosky.....

I believe that was the name 'George' gave on the phone with Jack...knowing of the writers penchant for fun with anagrams, I came up with the words 'Secresy' as part of it - maybe I have the McCloskey name wrong? Anyone hear a different name???

'Secrecy'

sorry

One more quick thing...
While Hurley is in the interrogation room at the police station, I think it is Charlie that is swimming underwater and smashes the glass during that hallucination. I paused it on the frame right before the glass breaks, and you can see the "not Penny's boat" on the palm...

re: "flash-forwards"/"future-flashes": why not call em what hurley called desmond's premonitions: futuregrams...

Great episode! Mac even though your reviews are a bit shorter now, they are still just as hilarious! Mumbling in french and licking her paw... ha haha.

But as for whos in the casket... I originally thought it was sawyer, which would explain why kate might not want to go see him. But since it would have been more publicized if it was the oceanic six, i think it's Ben. No one liked Ben. He killed his only family member. No friends due to lifetime seclusion on an island....

anyone else agree??

sorry sleepy, didn't notice you posted that as well.... :/

I think it is Walt in the coffin. The coffin does appear to be on the smaller side, and when Jack pulls up in front of the Funeral Parlor the shot pans to three African American men standing on the sidewalk. Also, the Funeral Director also appears to be African American. Not to stereotype, but you would tend to believe that this is predominantly an African American neighborhood so someone of African American decent would be in the Funeral parlor.

+++++++

Instead of a flash back, it is a flash forward?

Another DVR moment.

During the commercials for Lost, at the end, there is the logo screen with the Lost logo in front of an Island. What is reflected in the water? It doesn't appear to be a reflection of the Island, but something else.

@ neal mindflood

you can see the reflection of a city in the water

@neil mindflood...I was going to say the same thing but then I thought I was really nuts in seeing something different in the reflection...I am glad someone else saw it too! To me, it looked like the mountain line of the island was reflected as a city horizon line in the water....

One comment about all of you who think Hurley saw "Jacob." How do you know that was even Jacob. It could of been Jack's father visiting Jacob. (which would still be crazy that Jack's dad was on the island)

i'm sure everyone watched last season's finale two nights ago, and we all saw future Jack tell the new head-o-hospital man to call his father down to see which one had more to drink - an odd thing to say to someone who knows his father is dead. we all kind of blew it off last year, but now that we saw Christian Shepard in Jacob's lair, that may need to be revisited.

ok...

if the people on the boat mean to do some kind of harm to the losties anyway, why does naomi lie when she gets on the phone with george?

hmmmm????

It does make sense that it would be Ben in the casket, BUT why would Ben have left the island? Clearly many people were left behind. I don't think Ben would willingly leave. Even when he needed business taken care of off the island, he always sent one of his henchmen to do the deeds. But I suppose he could have been forced off the island for some reason. Also, didn't the obituary state the person was born in NY? We know Ben was born outside of Portland, although he claims to have been born on the island. Although I do agree Ben should not be ruled out as being in the casket, I still think it is Walt.

A separate point: Not only was dead Charlie pointed out to Hurley by a patient, but so was the Oceanic lawyer pointed out to Hurley by a staff member. Was he really a lawyer concerned about reducing any lawsuits and restoring Oceanic's reputation by finding more survivors (thus asking "Are they still alive?") or was he someone from the island pre-rescue that we have yet to meet?

@ 75, 76, and 77 (Neal Mindflood, Lostme, and Vikki).

Regarding the city you see in the water. Here is my opinion on that.

If any of you watched the showing of the 2 hour finale on Wednesday night, the producers mentioned in their little pop-ups, that the two worlds of Jack are opposites of each other; hench, "through the looking glass". They said that Jack's life on the island, where he was in control and was the leader, was the opposite of his life in the "real world" where he was falling apart and was suicidal.

I took the reflection of Lost Island vs. the City, to be an homage to the two being polar opposites. That's just my take on it though.

On another note. The man in the rocking chair is Jack's dad, but we don't know for sure that it is "Jacob", do we? We are all kind of assuming that, which I think is what the producers want us to believe.

@ ANTP

That is exactly what I mean about Jack's father not being JAcob. The producers know about screen grabs and they wouldn't make it that easy.

I keep thinking of different things to point out. I know this is regarding Season 3 Finale, but it was just brought up on Wednesday's episode . . .

When Jack (in the future) is looking at the patient's chart, and is noticeably intoxicated, the new chief of surgery comes in. Did anybody see that his last name is the same last name as our beloved Bernard? Looks like Bernard and Rose have a child who is a doctor as well!!

WGNAA - We're gonna need another acronym:

FFFFFG - flash-forward/future-flash/flashgram

DANTOGSDC? - Did anyone notice that other guy saw Dead Charlie?

WIM? Where is Meg?

I think the Oceanic Six has something to do with the 'List' that was mentioned in season 2. It was said that (I think it was Sawyer) wasn't on the list and they didn't know why he was part of the group.
Anyone remember who else was supposed to be on the list (Locke?)

I don't think it's Walt in the coffin. I think he's already dead and it's dead-but-alive Walt the visits Locke.

I want to see Ethan arise from the dead and perform surgery at Jack's hospital.

@ANTP...about the doctor's last name being the same as Bernard and Rose's...that was one of the pop up clues in the replay of season 3 finale on Wednesday...the clue said that the doctor scheduled to perform the surgery on the crash victim shares the same last name as Bernard, but I didn't even realize the doctor in the clue is the chief of staff with the name tag on. However, didn't Rose and Bernard meet and marry later in life? How could they have a son that is so old now? Unless it's Bernard's son and not Rose's...

And also, ANTP, about your theory of the island/city reflection in the water...bravo! I didn't catch the mirror image reference there. I think I agree with you.

I am not so sure that it "is" Christian Shepard in the chair either. I guess I should have written it is his IMAGE in the chair, but, I agree, I think it's Jacob that's actually in the chair taking on the form or image of Jack's dad...

I've looked at screen caps online (losteastereggs.blogspot.com) and it is DEFINITELY Christian Shephard in the rocking chair, no question. I don't know if that means Jacob=Christian necessarily, though. The eye in the window is unclear--the head definitely seems to have hair, so it can't be Locke.

Charlie's(?) hand says "They Need You" when Hurley has his hallucination in the police station.

I also thought it very interesting that Hurley could see the people in Jacob's shack, or that the shack even appeared to him--although Hurley does have a history of seeing people others cannot see. Also interesting that another inmate "saw" Charlie.

Jack may be doing okay in this future world, off the island, but there were signs in last night's episode that he was only barely holding things together. I can't say mixing alcohol in your oj before work is a good thing.

FYI - There were two websites listed in the Oceanic commercial that played during Eli Stone. The first was the obvious flyoceanicair.com, but the other you catch a glimpse of as the the the other video cuts in. If you watch it in slow motion with a DVR you can see it is find815.com. Interesting stuff. I like that they are doing the web stories again.

Wow! I'm so happy to start posting about Lost again, especially here. Missed your reviews Mac. Eight months...goodness gracious...but it was WORTH THE WAIT (I'm all giddy).And Mac, you're still so freakin' funny.

Just a few comments:

1. Excellent season opening! Geez, I cried, screamed, a bunch of oh-no's and of course, "damn Jack mucked up again!"
2. Still lovin' Hurley. Back in "Dave", I thought perhaps Hurley's a little off his rocker but NOW, he's one of the "I see dead people and can feel a mean slap!" kinda folk. Problem is, he doesn't quite know that yet so he needs to get up to speed with his special talent.

3. The eye-ball in Jacobs shack, I believe belongs to Charlie.

4. Mr. Abbadon. CREEPY! I swear I saw him opening the door to the gym where Hurley was playing basketball but Jack walked in instead. Gonna slow play that scene again...and again..

5. My bet is that Locke is in the casket because his name is Johnathan. Simple.

6. Desmond isn't on the up & up about his flashes.

I think Hurley's Camaro the one he fixed with his Dad.

Good job Mac, as always. I was looking forwardto reading this since 10 PM latt night.

Where's crispy? good to see Red...Neck

What about the guy that parachuted in? Actor Jeremy Davies or as I now call him "Charlie-Lite." Let's get rid of one bearded actor for another.

What was up with the Oceanic Air commericial during Eli Stone? What am I missing?

The Hurley-Claire moment did bring a tear to my eye :::sniff, sniff:::

The man in the chair from Lostpedia:

Just after the crash, a few minutes prior to the start of the series, Christian (wearing white tennis shoes) found Vincent in the jungle. After talking to him for a moment, he tells the dog to go wake up his son. As Vincent trots off, Christian says, "He has work to do." ("So It Begins")

He was later seen on the Island, still wearing the white tennis shoes, several times by Jack. The exact nature of these "appearances" is still unknown, but when Jack found his coffin, Christian's body was not inside. ("Walkabout") ("White Rabbit")

In "A Tale of Two Cities", Jack hears his father's voice through the intercom in his cell in the Hydra.

He is, along with Yemi, one of two deceased bodies on the Island that have gone missing and then later appeared to people. Also, Christian, Yemi, and Emily Linus all died off of the Island but appeared to people on the Island.

When Hurley gets separated from the group during "Beginning of the End", Jacob's cabin appears before him. When Hurley looks in the window, he sees Christian Shephard sitting in Jacob's rocking chair, donning the same suit, tie, and shoes from prior seasons. ("The Beginning of the End")

After the Island
In the flash forward in "Through the Looking Glass" Jack references him twice as if he was still alive. First, he presents a pharmacist with a prescription Jack says was written by Christian Shephard (although possibly Jack could have had some of his father's prescription tablets and written the prescription himself). Second, Jack tells Dr. Hamill to get his father "down here" and see if he is drunker than his father.

One other point it mentioned:

Christian was said to be dead in the Official Lost Podcast on April 20, 2007, though the creators of Lost qualified their statement by saying that they "may be using the word 'dead' in a sense we [the audience] don't fully understand yet." This indicates an uncertain status as to Christian.

Perhaps Charlie is also "dead" in a sense that we don't fully understand yet...

For years, the producers have been screaming at us that the show's premise is not purgatory. But why for the last few episodes have they beaten us over the head with characters telling us that they are DEAD?
Last night's exclamation mark was when Hurley tells Dead Charlie he's dead, and DC SLAPS Hurley in a "so are you!" metaphysical moment.
The physical contact is evidence that they are on the same plane of existence. So my new working theory is that all the characters are dead. Everyone.
Instead of the conventional thought that once one dies on earth you go to heaven, hell, or cease to exist, what if your body and soul travels to a waystation (an island) in a parallel dimension close to your own. You may not even realize you have died. In this new place, you exist until you die again. Then you travel to another parallel dimension which may overlap or intersect with your past life or lives. So in the flash-forwards, the Oceanic Six were returned to their old existence by being killed on the island near the intersection point of their past parallel dimension. The haunting secret of the Oceanic Six is that there are aware that they are among the Living Dead in their own old time line.

For years, the producers have been screaming at us that the show's premise is not purgatory. But why for the last few episodes have they beaten us over the head with characters telling us that they are DEAD?
Last night's exclamation mark was when Hurley tells Dead Charlie he's dead, and DC SLAPS Hurley in a "so are you!" metaphysical moment.
The physical contact is evidence that they are on the same plane of existence. So my new working theory is that all the characters are dead. Everyone.
Instead of the conventional thought that once one dies on earth you go to heaven, hell, or cease to exist, what if your body and soul travels to a waystation (an island) in a parallel dimension close to your own. You may not even realize you have died. In this new place, you exist until you die again. Then you travel to another parallel dimension which may overlap or intersect with your past life or lives. So in the flash-forwards, the Oceanic Six were returned to their old existence by being killed on the island near the intersection point of their past parallel dimension. The haunting secret of the Oceanic Six is that there are aware that they are among the Living Dead in their own old time line.

I thought the best part of the show was when Rouseau belted Ben. hahahaha

Was a bit disapointed that we didn't get a complete jawdropper of an episode after waiting all this time but maybe next week ... loyal fans deserve one.

I must say that the actor who plays Hurley did a SPECTACULAR job! He's a much better actor than I thought.
Jacob was dressed very differently from last season and cleaned up, too. Looks like Jacks dad ... but then he could change his appearance ... maybe he was the one talking to Echo as his bro. Maybe he's the smoke monster, too. Why would he say help me to Locke? Has Ben got something on him? Keeping him contained with that ring of "ash"?

I think the man in the coffin is Michael because the obit said he is survived by a teenaged son. When the plane crashed in 2004, Walt was 10. The FF was dated to be in 2007 (based on other articles in the newspaper where Jack found the obit, and the fact that his cell phone model came out in 07) so that would make him 13.
I don't believe Juliette would be one of the Oceanic 6 because she wasn't on the plane. She may still get off the island, but she wouldn'y be considered one of the Oceanic 6 simply b/c she's not a survivor of the crash.

I hope this hasnt been posted already, but 5 of the 6 have been revealed.

Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin

Season 3 finale showed Sun & Jin on the Oceanic plane behind drunk, bearded Jack.

Kate alluded to having to get back to "him" which means the 6th person could be Sawyer. Just a thought...

I think it is safe to use the term "flash-forward" It is a common literary device, and the writers of the show love to mirror the use of other writings and genres, so we might as well stick with the common literary technique of "flash-forward"

By the way: I loved the episode, and I am enjoying the character development. It is nice to get answers, but I think this show is so much more than just mysteries and answers, it is about humanity at its core.

Did you mention how Hurley apologized to Jack for going with Locke's splinter group? That was HUGE!

I just had a thought. When Naomi says on the phone, "Tell my sister I love her," maybe that's a code to tell the people on the feighter/helicopter that she's been hurt or something.

Does anyone else think that's a possibility.

After re-watching last night's episode, here is my latest take/theory:

Eternal Life -vs- Returning Home.

The Oceanic 6 (the six survivors that return "home") made a deal-with-the-devil. They were let go by Jacob/the island with a promise to act as if they were the only survivors. And, if they ever tell about other survivors/island inhabitants left on the island then those that remain will be killed. In exchange for their freedom, their friends get life, possbiyl even life eternal.

Not sure if everyone is given this choice or if it is just presented to some. Either way, this could explain Dead Charlie (i.e. eternal life) and his comment, "I am dead. But I'm also here." --------- thoughts?

How did George(from the rescue? boat) know Jack's name? Jack only referred to himself on the sat phone as 'an Oceanic 815 survivor'.

Another thought I just had re-reading all the posts about the coffin. Since the coffin was small i.e. for a child, maybe the coffin is for Baby Arron. i mean Jack doesn't know he's the Uncle and maybe something happens to Claire. Anyone else agree?

@ kevin/#101:

I agree. But, won't we need a term to distinguish between the flash-forwards (like Jack and Hurley playing basketball at the mental institution) and the flash-way-forwards (like bearded, drug-addicted, alcohol-swilling Jack and his friday night Oceanic flights)?

Obviously, the flash forwards will keep coming and, based on how things have already played out, they will not necessarily come in any kind of order. At all. So....flash-way-forwards and simply flash-forwards?

Six Random Questions Upon 2nd Viewing:

(1) Hurley looks guilty and ashamed when lying to the cop about not knowing/meeting Anna Lucia. Why?

(2) Jack's tells Danielle, "I don't trust him (Ben) with anyone but me" and then he simply lets Ben go with Locke, of all people. This makes no sense. Can anyone explain?

(3) In the scene in the institution when Hurley is talking to creepy Mr. Abbedon, there is a chalkboard behind him that features a drawing of an island with a boat, palm trees, a shark and a sun! Coincidence or a clue?

(4) The eyeball that peers out at Hurley from inside Jacob's shack is definitely not Locke's nor is it Christian's. Is it the real Jacob's who just takes the physical form of other people? (i.e Christian, Yemi, Smokey, etc.)?

(5) Does the shack only appear if you have the "gift" to see it? Kinda like seeing Jacob himself? Found it intersting that the shack "disappeared" when Hurley willed it so by telling himself "it is not there."

(6) If Charlie is dead, then why can Hurley's fellow patient in the plaid robe see him? ("I'd watch out if I were you. There's a guy over there staring at you.")

I love this mind-bending, lie-awake-at-night-thinking-about-it show!!!

I don't recall any mention of the smoke monster in the 1 hour recap Thur. night. Did I miss it, or are the writers trying to wiggle out of ever explaining it?

Anagram for creepy guy who visits Hurley in the institution offering an "upgrade" on behalf of Oceanic:

Name: Matthew Abbadon
Anagram: What bad boat men?

Very glad to have lost back in my life. Forgot how great it was to spend the day reading about last night's episode, looking for clues on the web etc

Did anyone else think that the captions for the airing of last season's finale on Wednesday could have been written by mac?

I don't think it's Aaron in the coffin. Why would he be neither family nor friend?

If smokey can take the form of any dead person (or horse, I suppose) do you think Smokey is really the collective consciousness of all who have died? Remember season 1 with the group of people whispering in the jungle.

If it IS smokey-as-Christian-shepard in the chair, why would he pick Christian Shepard? Usually he comes in the form of someone the person knows (yemi,etc). Does Hurley even know what Jack's dad looked like?

Hello, Mac. I've been following your recaps since Season 3 and it has always been a wonderful experience.

I wonder if I could translate your stuff into Chinese (instead of reinvent the wills myself who has much less creativity and fun) and put it on my blog and discussion forums in Chinese forums? I would certainly make it clear that the work is from you and put a link to your original post. Please let me know.

When Ben was tied up at the tree he asked Rouseau to get his daughter out of there and hide before the new "baddies" landed. Rouseau snapped back that she wasn't his daughter...hmmm?

@95 - idmonster:
Perhaps Charlie is also "dead" in a sense that we don't fully understand yet...

I couldn't agree more!! That was one of the things I thought of. We didn't actually see Charlie *die* - it is inferred. I can't believe that his "swim team" experience and the fact that he dove all the way down to the station in one breath means he can't suck in enough air to resurface.

Course, then he'd have to worry about the dangerous Dharmasharks lurking in those waters...

Great ReCap as Always Mac.
Watched the episode again today. There's not a lot in it, but what they do give us is good gristle. I believe the key points in the flashforwards are these:
~ Jack is already starting to drink, albeit a wee bit of vodka.
~ Hurley denies Ana Lucia (why, I guess we'll have to wait and see)
~ There are shady people still out there to find out about the island and if anyone (survivors or others) is still on it.
~ Charlie's alive? Or Jacob, or the smoke monster, or maybe Cindy's scarf is posing as Charlie. Does this mean smokey got off the island? Maybe that's who is Christian Sheppard in Jack's FlashForward. If that's the case maybe when Kate says, "He'll be wondering where I am" she's referring to her horse.... ew!
~ Jack at this point in time is going with the secret game, though Hurley is straying and desiring to go back.

On the island I see the key points as this:
~ Ben is savvy to the 'NEW' others, but still won't reveal why/how.
~ Hurley can see Jacob's Love Shack and therefore has some kind of special meaning in the overall story.
~ Lots of survivors (red shirts) are going to die. It looks like that is the case. I hope so. We don't need any more Paulnikki's.

One thing I noticed both times is when Locke starts his sect and Claire opts to join, some red shirts in the back (not wearing red), both appearing to be male decide to join Locke and hold hands doing so.

I think Locke unloaded the gun at one point in time before nightfall. Lucky for him.

I also agree that Naomi's "Tell my sister I love her" is likely a code for "situation is all F'd up, come heavy"

That's all I got.

Oh and my coffin vote right now is still Michael. Though Locke is a close second.

My favorite MAC-ism:
Naomi punches in the command (4 8 15 16 ... oh, I guess we're not doing that anymore)
&
Jacob's Love Shack

@bemh - I automatically skip your postings as they are too hard to read. Please use paragraphs - I'm sure you have good things to say, butwhen it's all together in one HUGE paragraph, it is too difficult to read. :>)

@112 Ethan'sGirl

Truly is weird that Jack's Dad, or image of Jack's Dad, or Smokey as Jack's dad to be in the cabin.

Here's wild stretch. Perhaps it was meant to warn Hurley to follow Jack later and not Locke??? I.E. he opened the door to invite him in. Then he was intercepted by Locke, who seems to be in Ben's camp who is holding smokey hostage in the cabin surrounded by ashes....ugh....

Told you it was a stretch but anything's possible...

@GatorGal #108: Regarding your first question—if I was lying to someone about not knowing someone who had been important to the questioner, I think I'd be guilty/ashamed. For me the question is why deny knowing A-L at all? On your second question—Jack detests both Locke & Ben (& is acting pretty close to the edge w/both of them). Maybe he figures that "gifting" Locke w/Ben is fitting. Jack doesn't know at this point (or does he? I can't remember) that Ben & Locke have had a bonding session or two. And regarding the eyeball peering at Hurley, from the screen captures over in the Forums, it appears that the eye is brown (although the lighting is pretty bad). Locke has blue eyes, so I agree it's not Locke's eye. Not sure what color eyes Christian had/has.

@u2d2 #114: Alex isn't Ben's daughter; she's Rousseau's. Alex was kidnapped by Ben's Others just after her birth 16 years ago & raised to believe Ben is her dad.

@debilost #115: As much as I'd love to have Charlie be alive, I just don't think it's so. He had to hold his breath for at least a minute or more while he was writing his message on his hand, then holding it up to the door for Des to see. The last we see of Charlie is air bubbles coming out of his mouth as he pushes back from the door & him floating backwards crossing himself—not exactly signs that he's trying to swim out the porthole & make for the surface. Unless the Incredible Revivable Patchy is lurking somewhere out there to grab Charlie, get him to the surface, & blow the water out of his lungs, it doesn't seem likely that anyone was able to get to Charlie in time.

Random thought: It appears that Jack was extremely upset over whoever it was in the coffin. Who in the Lostaways/Others did Jack like & Kate not? If it was Michael, what happened to change Jack's mind about him that he (Jack) would be so upset over his (Michael's) death?

I almost forgot what it's like to open this blog and see 100 new comments since this morning. It makes me giddy :)

@PiecesofArzt and GatorGal: Thanks for the answer about Sayid.

Regarding the "Christian Shephard: Dead or Alive" discussions, this is from an Entertainment Weekly interview with Matthew Fox several weeks ago:

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EW: Fans have been analyzing this Jack line from the flash-forward: ''You get my father down here.... And if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me.'' Given that his dad is dead, what was your take on that?
MATTHEW FOX: He was so loaded and emotionally distraught that he talks about his father as if he's still alive. I called Damon on it, and he gave me a couple stories — actual accounts of people whose very close relative [died], and in a moment of being really f---ed up, talked about them as if they did not know they were not alive. In that moment, Jack is losing track of any concept of time. I knew that there was a way to look at it and go, ''Well, that's kind of manipulative.'' But when you [realize], ''Oh, it's in the future,'' you can believe that the man — years after his father has actually passed away — says that about his father in that moment. I totally buy it.
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Of course, it's always possible that Damon was deliberately leading Matthew Fox astray, but I think it's more likely that Christian Shephard is dead to our understanding of the word, but the secrets yet to be revealed will redefine the meaning of death, especially on the island.

On another topic, I read something interesting earlier at DarkUFO. (Hopefully, Mac doesn't think I'm cheating on him, since I bring all my comments back here!) The letters H-0 appeared three times in this episode. #1 On a shelf behind Hurley when he's yelling about Abbadon #2 Hurley tells dead Charlie he saw him in the convenience store right next to the "Ho-Ho's" #3 Hurley and Jack's game of HORSE after Jack misses the 2nd shot, Hurley says "That's H-O."

"The Oceanic Six" - Let's see, there was was Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr. Peter Lawford, Cecil Rose and Clementine.

By the way, I agree with post #61 about his favorite line. That was so cool!

@ hurling - add one more "f" and make it "FFFFFFG - friggin flash-forward/future-flash/flashgram

How did George (from the rescue? boat) know Jack's name? Jack only referred to himself on the sat phone as 'an Oceanic 815 survivor'.
→ 105. Posted by: mtncbn at February 1, 2008 03:30 PM

My wife asked the same question. So I re-watch the beginning of the EP and Jack did say he was “One of the survivor’s of Oceanic 815”. But I still knew I had heard him say his name. So I pulled out Season 3 DVD, put in the Looking Glass and he does say his name. Jack hears someone say hello. He then said “who is this” and they say “who is this”, and then Jack said “This is Jack Sheppard, I’m one of the survivor’s of Oceanic 815”.

I'v noticed tahat in the Lost episode when Hurley's in the interrigation room, and he's asked about knowing Anna lucia he looks nervous and he looks like he's hiding something? What the heck could it be?

I think Hurley looking nervous is just him not wanting to talk about it and explain...oh yea, she was alive, but someone killed her. Sorry about that.

@63 ANTP? said:

>http://www*gitsiegirl*com/the-lost-experience-explained/

>This website talks about the online game, "The Lost Experience".

I hope you realize the website you cite is a straight ripoff of mac's blog (unless, of course, mac's given his permission for the reposting).

The original is right around the corner at:

http://www*filmfodder*com/tv/lost/archives/003345*shtml

and there's a link to it in the upper right-hand area of this and every filmfodder lost blog.

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That having been said, there's a problems with the theory. The mental health facility in Iceland is/was a Hanso/Dharma facility (and apparentl;y some un-ethicla research went on there).

So unless the Others have, in addition to killing off all the Dharma personnel on Lostylvania Island, also somehow appropriated all of Hanso's assets in the wider world (don't know how they'd do that) then there's no connection between the Icelandic mental institution and the two Portuguese-speaking men in the frigid quonset hut.

Good luck, and Namaste.

@100 lostinAZ said:

>I hope this hasnt been posted already, but 5 of the 6 have been revealed.

>Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin

>Season 3 finale showed Sun & Jin on the Oceanic plane behind drunk, bearded Jack.

Sorry, freeze framed in high-def DVR, magnified four times, examined carefuilly. It's just a young asian couple. NOT Sun and Jin. Of course it's still possible they're two fo the six, but not from this evidence.

Great review Mac. The short form works just as well for me...good writing is good writing!

My favorite line from the episode (and maybe even the series!)- Rose talking to Claire about Charlie being the real hero- "...so you better make sure you treat him REAL GOOD when we get back!"

I couldn't really tell from the future Hurley parts- does he still have his lottery millions or not?

Jack & Hurley's basketball conversation made it clear that the '6' had an agreement of sorts to not reveal anything about the island. So it's not surprising to me that Hurley lied to the cop and said he never met AL. If he said he had known her, he would've been pumped for more info which would've opened too many cans of worms.

I don't think the coffin is small at all. I think it's normal size and the camera angle (the shot of Jack from above) caused it to appear smaller to some.

I'm still pretty shocked that Jack pulled the trigger with the full intention of wasting Locke.

And finally, I've given up on the speculation about who or what Jacob is...that's one part of the story that I'm just along for the ride on and will enjoy the reveal when/if it finally happens.

(Taking a positive stance now)- Yaaaah! We get to do this 7 more times in a row!

i laughed my ass off at he Hurley-does-a-cannonball part.

ok, heres my bet for who will make it off the island.

obviously, if locke survives hes gonna stay on the island.

berard and rose will stay too (roses cancer)

gin's gonna bite it soon.

sayid will either get shot or make it off the island. he could go both ways.

sawyer will get off. i have a feeling.

sun is probably gonna die.

claire and aaron will make it off. but i dont think that technically aaron would count tword the oceanic 6.

desmond will survive, but he doesent count as the oceanic 6.

Some Ransom Thoughts:

Nice to see that Hurley got the old Camaro fixed up. Wonder if Dad Cheech helped?

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Annoying as they were, the pop-up comments in the Wednesday repeat of the S-3 finale seemed to have closed at least one debate - Jack said *"Neither"* when the Hoffs-Drawler funeral director asked him "Firend or family?"

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From S-3-22 and S-4-1, there definitly seems to be some compulsion on folks that got off the island not to spill the beans about what went on there.

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Thought sure we were about to get a visit from smokey when the rain burst out suddenly as Jack and Kate were reminiscing about old times at the cockpit section. Jack Said "Listen, what's that?" and my spine tingled expecting "aaaaahoooooooooo!". The helicopter was an anticlimax.

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Faith in "no suopernatural explanations" teetering, teetering....

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Ah, it's good to be back...

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If, as rumored, the end of the writers strike is near, can we please have our remaining eight eps SOMETIME this year?

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@18 richardalpert said

>No one else recognizes Matthew Abbadon as Lt. Daniels from the Wire?

Me, Me, Me, Me! But isn't it Capt Daniels now? "The Wire" is in its final HBO season and I recommend it to everybody.

>It seems pretty obvious that helicopter dude from Saving Private Ryan is obviously George, things are getting very interesting.

Confusing sentence. I was wracking my brain tring to remember a helicopter in "Saving Private Ryan". Clonk. Then things drop into place.

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Hope Dominic Monoghan enjoys many episodes as a ghost. If that's what he is.

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Two more "House" episodes (Sun and Tue) nefore the well runs dry. Drop by the blog, yall:

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BEST QUOTE EVER:

"This is for talking Walt off the boat..
KABLAM!" - Sawyer

How cool is it that Zeke and Sawyer are "done yet"

4-1 (72) The Beginning of the End

Have rescuers come?
Or is there another force
Appearing here, now?

@Clementine/120 - Just means we're all Lost Ho's. LOL

The eyeball at the door is....Patchy's missing one.

So if Christian Shepherd is in the chair and the "eye" is someone else, does that mean that Smokey stops by Jacob's containment hut/love shack for social visits? Maybe they play chess, like Professor X & Magneto? ;)

Locke doesn't have to be the eye in the window. Locke could still be in the cabin without being visible.

Maybe Smokey is rooting for Jack and Jacob is recruiting Locke? How ironic is that?

Things I still want to know:

* How limited is Ben's true knowledge about Jacob?

* Why did Ben manipulate Locke into blowing up the HATCH?

* Did Jacob or Smokey somehow manipulate Desmond into leaving the hatch for 109 minutes so the plane would come down?

* Are the others camped inside or outside of the sonic death fence?

* Where IS all the electricity coming from?

* Did Ben ever use the Pearl cameras to spy on Desmond in the hatch?

* How could the flame have been secure from Smokey for all those years? It was outside the sonic death fence! (Unless Mikhal just hid in the basement a lot, or used his regeneration ability every time smokey killed him.)

And the big question I just thought of:

IS SMOKEY JACOB'S MISTER HYDE PERSONNA?

That would explain a lot... except for the floating eyeball in the shack.

Hmm....

First time poster...long time reader. This may seem a bit obvious but I will put it out there cause I haven't seen anyone post it yet. The great thing about the coffin is that while you speculate who it is, you realize that all the main characters are alone if they return from the island. Jack, Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Michael, Ben etc have no family to return home to. Don't know what to make of it but I just thought it was interesting.

I thought of something while reading these posts (which are great, by the way!)...

Just because there's a group called "the Oceanic Six" doesn't mean that ONLY six people got off the island, does it?

This seems like a trick the LOST writers would throw our way - having us believe that only six make it off the island, when in actuality only Six are linked to it.

Just a thought...

If Kate is not acknowledged as one of the Oceanic 6 (since she is a fugitive), then does that mean that one other person besides her was rescued as well? Jack said he is "sick of lying," so obviously if everyone else in the real world thinks everyone from flight 815 is dead, then Jack and Kate are lying and living with guilt at the fact that everyone else is still on the island alive and well, waiting to be rescued

Regarding the patient in the robe...isn't that the same man that Hurley thought was real when he was in that hospital before the flight? He turned out to be a figment of his imagination. The doctor took a picture of him and Hurley and showed it to Hurley. Nobody there...only Hurley.

@DjDaveyDave(135)...I was thinking the same thing regarding the person in the coffin and applying the logic in the clue the funeral director gave us about the person not having any family. I do think that Hurley has family though; at least I believe his dad is still alive. And Kate's mom is still, presumably, around. So that does leave Sawyer (but was he born in NY???), Michael (if something happened to Walt), Walt (if something happened to Michael), Locke, and Ben (though I don't think either of them would ever WILLINGLY leave the island...). But who's to say that the body in the coffin is that of a character we already know. Obviously some time in the story line transpires from point A (survivors still on the island) to point B (Jack is in funeral home), so there is always the possiblility that the person in the coffin is someone the viewer has yet to meet. Makes for good speculation though!

I must be lost because it really seems impossible that nobody has posted this already. In 4-1 when charlie is showing desmond his hand there is clearly a person standing behind desmond. I watched this scene in both 4-1 and the last ep of s3--it's not there in the s3 version. Has this been covered?

@79- Jiggy...Pathetic attempt at insight...LOL!

Good to be back! I gave the episode a solid B...I was waiting and waiting for the "WOW" factor, as in Season Openers Past. (Desmond in the hatch, Juliette's Book Club) It just seamed like a really good, regular season episode. Either way, I missed the Losties, the Tailies, the Others, Oceanic 6, and most of all my fellow Fodder-ers!

Question (or comment really)...Have we seem the last of the numbers? I hope not- it was my favorite game to play during my second viewing of each episode! Thoughts?

The entire point of Lost is at the end of Season 4, everyone decides to return to the Island.

@ Red Neck Man #58

I think Naomi's sister is Cindy's scarf!!
LMAO!! No, your sense of humor has been sorely missed. I haven't been around for a while, and this site has been BLOCKED from my work now..:(

@ANTP ? - Thanks for remembering...sniff, sniff

@hurling - glad to be back!!! I missed ya'll!

@mac - Jack sporting his Other beard...lol, great one!

I guess at this point I don't have much to say. This episode was great, but it didn't contain much that was shocking. I'm excited to see the twists that are yeat to come. I am hoping to see some of Libby, and some of the other characters.

One of my favorite lines/moments was when Ben said in a pouty voice, something like, "Well I would have told you that she took the phone but you'd just beat me up again." That Ben is the master freak.

New acronym: BBL - Bring Back Laffo

Sorry for double-posting, but you'll probably get more now that I am rewatching it...

I'm sure the triviality (is that a word??)of this comment will piss someone off, but it bothers me that at Hurley's hospital they walk around in housecoats. When you are depressed, or mentally ill, isn't it better to shower and dress?? Are these hospitals really like that?

Wow, all these months of boredom and now I can get my fix again. I'm glad they started with a Hurley-centered story, but how about narrating the clip show with Ben's voice? Talk about starting the season with a sense of doom...

I think we're still due some flashbacks at some point this season. My biggest question is how Des joined the military, ended up in jail, why Penny doesn't give up on him, etc.

It's been great to see so many familiar names in the posts. I'm also blocked from work - why must our tech people be so difficult?

re: Hurleys' Ana-Lucia denial.
Would YOU tell her former-partner, who you are the prisoner of, that yea... I knew the brutal, ego-centric, paranoid bully. (?)
The real question is - will this "connection" come back to us as relevant in the remaining 47 episodes? or was the Ana thing just a dead-end (or tease) from the writers/producers?

I'm thinking that only six people could fit in the chopper to be taken off the island and then they couldn't re-establish contact with the island again. However Jack would probably have other people go first since that's his style. I also feel there is more of a reason for them to go back then just to save people that were left behind - possibly to save this magical island from bad guys. I'm proud of the writers of this show they got a little off track but really wrapped up last season nicely and while it took forever to get to this season we're off to a promising start! By they way I think it is Michael in the casket - I know this was mentioned before but the funeral is clearly held in a black neighborhood and the viewing is at a black establishment/church

Can anyone tell me what Jack muttered when he saw the Camero and the high speed chase? I tried several times and I can't get closed caption to work on hi-def.

Mac - thank you for all the work you do and a salute to all the follow up posters!

Glad the show and this blog are back! I missed both terribly. Glad yer back, Mac, if self-declared as truncated. Still an excellent recap!

Dead Charlie looks like he lost about 20 pounds. His hobbit babyface is looking gaunt. Though his cheeks are pretty rosy for a dead guy. Is he on the new miracle death diet?

We already know if you get pregnant on the island you die. Now we know if you leave the island, your life will suck. (Though granted, most of these folks didn't have great track records to begin with, and they weren't exactly enjoying life on an island paradise after the crash either.)

After thinking the writers were just getting bad at making Jack appear a proper hero, it is now painfully obvious that they fully intend that Jack come off as tragically incompetent. I've heard of flawed heroes, but this is ridiculous. Will he redeem himself in the end?

I can't believe Jack actually tried to kill Locke! has Jack ever killed anybody on this show? So much for Do No Harm, doc. Will they ignore that he crossed this line later in the show? I guess it comes down to his desire to get off the island no matter what vs Locke's desire to stay there no matter what, or do whatever the island wants (which Jack sees as insane and dangerous behavior for obvious reasons)

So who is right... Jack or Locke? It looks like the "rescuers" are up to no good, yet Hurley apologizes for going with Locke, and at least one of each group get off the island. What is going on??? Ahhhh!!!

Why did the bird say "Hur-leeeee" a few season finales ago? He's definitely got some special connection to the island that rivals Locke's. Maybe just like Star Wars was really about Darth Vader as the central character when you saw the big picture, Lost is actually about Hurley. We just haven't seen it yet. Hmmmm.

Since she isn't serving jail time for murder, I don't think Kate is one of the famous "oceanic six," even though she obviously makes it off the island.

Could Kate get off for murder if she had been declared dead? (As a technicality or double jeopardy?)

@Seahawk3: I believe Jack says something to the effect of 'Oh, no' since he recognizes Hurley's Camaro.

finally lost is back, im loving the future flashes and things seem to be taking a darker tone in lost, excellent

#111 I was thinking the same thing, especially the reference to "Patchey." Not so fast on the numbers, Mac. Six numbers = Oceanic 6?

@60/Vikki Hurley told someone earlier, I think it was Charlie, and they thought he was just joking around, didn;t take him seriously.

@66/mapache Thanks for the link! Stupid DC station preempted the Oceanic commercial for "what's on tomorrow's Oprah!" I was about to shoot somebody!

@99/Trinity You and I are on the same page about Michael and the coffin. Honestly, I didn;t notice the coffin being small any of the four times I watched the episode, but maybe I am just not familiar enough with coffins.

Thanks for bringing this back Mac!

i'm just going to input a few sentences that I believe are very true. first of all, the next epsiode will feature a flashback of the characters on the freighter. second, the guy in the casket... can't be one of the oceanics. he's not one of the losties (they were celebrities). and it can't be ben - he wouldn't leave the island. the guy in the chair in jacob's cabin IS an apparition of christian shepard. the oceanics are jack kate hurley sayid sun and jin. sawyer will not leave the island - he met his life goal there. everyone becomes what they hate the most in the future flashes : jack - alcoholic, kate - stuck in a serious relationship (And wearing excessive makeup) hurley - a nutter.

Where does anyone get that Jin/Sun get off the island? That wasn't them sitting behind Jack on his weekly Sunday flight back to LA from Tokyo, Singapore, etc.... If anything, they have to stay on the island because that is the only place that she rear a child.

I think it is Michael in the coffin. I think that Jack is upset because Michael is the only person that knows how to get back to the island...he sailed from the island back home, so he might be Jack's only chance of finding his way back to the island. Jack wants to go back to the island, but Kate doesn't, so she wouldn't care. Also, the neighborhood was a predominantly African American neighborhood when Jack was driving and walking around....just my thoughts.