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Key Points from "The Other Woman"

Season 4, Episode 6
Episode Air Date: 03/06/08

Point 1
Desmond

Faraday
Let's get something clear: Juliet Burke might be a gifted fertility specialist with uncanny weapons skills and ninja training, but she is not a bad guy. I know some believe she's an evil siren who's using her beauty and smart-ass quips to confuse Jack and lead the castaways to doom, but after watching this episode I think we can put all those bad thoughts away and embrace Jules as a compassionate doctor with homewrecker tendencies.

And if she does turn the castaways into lemmings, I disavow any knowledge of that last paragraph.

Anyway, this Juliet-centric episode uses an island-based backstory to reveal key details about our misunderstood Dr. Burke. Here are the high points:

  • Juliet was treated like a celebrity when she first arrived on the island. Being a shy, unassuming woman who prefers the anonymity of a lab, she found the whole experience overwhelming. Fortunately, the island has a therapist named Harper Stanhope who's supposed to help with this sort of thing.
  • Unfortunately, Harper has a bitch streak a mile wide (it stems from her horrendous soap opera name -- Harper Stanhope? Why not Chloe Fancybottom or Danica Bosomhope?). From their first encounter, it's clear that Jules and Harper aren't BFF material. Their mutual dislike soon morphs into outright hatred when Jules begins an affair with Harper's husband, Goodwin.
  • The Juliet-Goodwin relationship was revealed last season, and at the time it seemed like an offhand twist. But as we're learning, there's no such thing as "offhand" on this show (I'm 100 percent sure the Hurley Bird will be a major factor in season five). Harper confronts Juliet about the affair, and just when you think the show is about to dip into pure melodrama, Harper reveals that she isn't the threat. Ben is.

    Ben has a wicked crush on Juliet. He loves to bake her ham dinners and gaze at her flowing blonde hair as she ruminates on the finer points of second-trimester island fatalities. But when Ben senses that Goodwin is moving in on his Dr. Burke turf ... well, Goodwin's days are numbered.

  • As we saw in "The Other 48 Days," Goodwin's experience with the Oceanic Tailies comes to an abrupt and pointy conclusion when Ana-Lucia rams a big stick through his chest. Upon learning of Goodwin's death, Ben giddily rounds up Juliet and leads her to her lover's rotting corpse. Juliet is overwhelmed and creeped out by the whole thing. She accuses Ben of sending Goodwin to his death (which is partially true, but I doubt he knew Ana would turn Goodwin's torso into a Capri Sun packet). Juliet demands to know why Ben would do such a thing.

    Ben's eyes bulge like they've never bulged before. "How can you possibly not understand that you're mine!" he spits.

    Turns out, Ben used his Otherly powers and passports to woo Juliet to the island (that curing-pregnant-Others thing is just a nice side benefit) and he's pulled every string he's got to get her the best Other condo and the best Other linens and the best Other baked hams so that she'll reciprocate his creepy bug love.

    Ben = World's Most Determined Stalker.

So, now we know that Ben's broken heart is the most dangerous thing on the island. This is important because in the final moments of the episode, Juliet tells Jack she has feelings for him, but this isn't the happy-happy romantic moment she'd hoped for because Ben will ultimately get his revenge by summoning the sneering ghost of Ana-Lucia so she can shish-kabob Jack's heart with a Dharma meat thermometer. Or something like that. Basically, Juliet thinks she's cursed, and because Jack can't resist a challenge, he responds to Juliet's revelation by kissing her.

So that's that. It's not bear cage sex, but it'll do.

Point 2
Juliet

Jack

Kate

Faraday

Juliet
This episode's island events cast a new light on the freighter folk. Maybe.

Early on, Charlotte and Daniel sneak off from the beach camp. At first their mission seems unclear, but as Jack and Juliet pursue the wayward duo, Juliet has a mysterious jungle encounter with her former therapist, Harper Stanhope. Now, we don't know if this is the real Harper or some sort of Harper hologram, but this Harper "thing" has popped in on Juliet to deliver a supernatural email from Ben. Harper tells Juliet she needs to track Charlotte and Daniel to the Tempest (the island's electrical station ... named in honor of Tempestt Bledsoe's electric personality) and kill the sneaky freighter duo before they send a cloud of deadly Dharma gas into the air. Juliet is thrilled to pieces. Not only does she get a surprise visit from her bitch therapist, but she also gets marching orders from her bug-eyed stalker.

So, Juliet and Jack trudge on and sometime later they stumble upon Kate, who's moaning and groaning and clutching a bloody head wound.

Kate's wound is courtesy of Charlotte, who whacked her with a pistol when Kate crossed paths with Daniel and Charlotte (Kate was traveling back to the beach camp after being banished from the barracks by Locke). When Jack and Juliet find Kate, she tells them that Charlotte and Daniel are carrying gas masks. Not good.

Juliet ditches Jack (with surprising ease) and infiltrates the Tempest on her own. Inside, she finds Danny Faraday decked out in a biohazard suit and a gas mask. Alarms blare as Danny fiddles furiously with the station's computer. Juliet threatens to shoot Daniel, but Charlotte whacks her with a metal rod and the two engage in an epic fight while Danny updates his Facebook profile.

Juliet gains the upper-hand (of course), but Charlotte plays her "Ben is Evil" card at just the right moment. She appeals to Juliet's rational side, asking her if she believes Ben wouldn't use the island's noxious gas supply to kill everyone. Juliet knows better -- of course he would; that's such a Ben thing to do -- so she opts not to kill Danny and Charlotte, which is good because Danny manages to render the gas supply inert at the very ... last ... second.

Phew.

So, I guess the freighter folk are benevolent rescuers then ... right?

Point 3
Locke

Ben
Not so fast there, Skippy.

Locke and Ben mend a few fences in this episode, and the resulting revelations -- if they're to be believed -- suggest that the freighter folk agenda is murky at best and purely evil at worst.

See, Ben becomes unusually chatty when Locke reveals his knowledge of Miles' $3.2 million extortion "deal." In response, Ben guides Locke to a secret videotape and file stored in a safe in Ben's condo.

The tape and dossier reveal the uber-dude behind the freighter expedition: it's Charles Widmore (Desmond's nemesis; Penny's daddy). According to Ben, Widmore is hell-bent on finding and exploiting the island's unique resources (teleporting bunnies will be the must-have gift of Christmas '09).

All this Widmore stuff piques Locke's curiosity, but before he's ready to forge any sort of pact with Ben, he needs one more piece of information: who is Ben's man on the boat?

"All right," Ben says, "but you might want to sit down ..."

And that's all we get! The next time we see Ben -- in the last seconds of the episode -- he's cheerfully walking to an Other condo with a fresh pair of sheets! Locke let him go!

Of course, if Ben's man on the boat is who we all think it is, it's possible Locke suffered a massive coronary and Ben simply waltzed out the front door.

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "See you guys at dinner!" -- A newly-free Ben to the flabbergasted Sawyer and Hurley.
  • Second Best Line: "It's very stressful being an Other, Jack." -- Juliet, explaining the need for island therapists.
  • Harper tells Juliet she resembles someone from Ben's past. Could it be Annie, the girl from Little Ben's backstory?
  • The combination for Ben's safe is 36, 15, 28. For a brief moment I thought these might be Juliet's measurements ... But no, that's not it ("15" would render her invisible). Can anyone find a hidden meaning?
  • Ben's evil knows no bounds. What kind of sick bastard would tape over the clinching game of the 2004 World Series?!?

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Ji Yeon" -- Interesting fact: "Ji Yeon" is Korean for "killer island baby." Airs Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 9 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on March 6, 2008 11:55 PM |




“See you guys at dinner!” - Best line any season any episode.

So we get to see the anticipated smackdown between Juliet and Charlotte and I must say I am a bit disappointed, we hardly get to see any action at all. Lets hope there is a nice big tub of jello handy for round two.

#1. Posted by: Debunker at March 6, 2008 11:59 PM

Any doubt at all that Michael is Ben's "guy" on the boat?

Oh and of course, GRAA, Mac.

#2. Posted by: PenFoe at March 7, 2008 12:02 AM

Still watching it recorded. Only halfway through. Charles Widmore's boat? No way. And his daughter doesn't know? Are they on opposing teams now?

#3. Posted by: LostedIt at March 7, 2008 12:03 AM

@mac: Much love, as always. Laughing out loud at the image of Goodwin as a Capri-Sun pack and Ben using Juliet’s measurements as his safe combo.

Who was looking for a catfight on the blog last week? You got your wish. I was so rooting for Juliet to kick Charlotte’s smug freighter a**, but also worried she was going to blow away sweet Dan. That scene gave me character perspective-whiplash! Are they good guys or bad guys? They’re good, no bad, no good, ahhh!

So, are we supposed to believe Ben triggered a countdown to gas the whole island? What an odd storyline. Obviously, anything and everything Ben says is a lie, or else it’s the truth served up to meet his own ends. Could he have arranged an entire bogus rescue for some reason? My instinct is still to suspect Charlotte. Could she be Ben’s “man on the boat”? If Ben says we’ll never believe who it is, then it’s probably Michael. But since the whole Lost community of fans has already guessed Michael, that would be a let-down.

This episode lost me in the turning tides.

Codependent much, Juliet? Jack has a savior complex and Juliet has a thing for men who give the false illusion of rescue. I’m somewhat disappointed in her and not looking forward to more of that dysfunction. Back to Penny and Des, I say!

Random thoughts:

Harper has Kenny Rogers-post facelift eyebrows and a bad ‘tude. Will she turn up again, or was she just a plot device to demonstrate Juliet’s questionable morals and Ben’s supernatural connection to the island?

I guess nothing surprises our Losties anymore. Jack’s “Who was that?” reaction to Harper’s disappearing act and some really LOUD jungle whispers seemed somewhat blasé.

How many more undiscovered stations, hatches, shacks, radio towers, pylons, and villages are there on this island? Oh, wait, we haven’t made it to the temple yet.

But how great is it when Hurley gets one over on Sawyer? Loved the game of horseshoes.

Best line: “It’s very stressful being an Other.”

Best scene: Ben closing out the show with a little jaunt across the New Otherton commons, freshly laundered linens in hand. “See you at dinner!” Ha!

And, finally, Locke wins the award for most gullible patsy ever. Do you think he should get his t-shirts monogrammed with “Ben’s Be-otch”?

#4. Posted by: Clementine at March 7, 2008 12:09 AM

Best Mac line: "turn Goodwin's torso into a Capri-Sun packet"

So now we know Ben's weakness. Anyone going to be bright enough to exploit it?

#5. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 12:11 AM

* Ben and Juliet sitting in a tree.
K-I-S-S-I....Oh crap.*

GRAA MAC.

Favorite line: "I taped over the game," when Locke asks Ben why the tape is labeled "Red Sox".

In the scene where Harper appears to Juliet (after the familiar island whispers), it seems she just appeared out of thin air and disappeared just the same. Neither Jack or Juliet saw her run off. She's not dead that we know of. Can she have a connection to Walt abilities-wise, appearing in places where she's not supposed to be?

#6. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at March 7, 2008 12:13 AM

Great review as always, Mac! Loved your line about Goodwin being turned into a Capri-Sun packet. ; )

I thought the actress who played Harper looks like a cross between Susan Dey & that freaky socialite who's turned her face into...well...it's supposed to be leonine, but let's just say that next to her, Michael Jackson appears pretty normal.

Speaking of Harper, I agree that her line about Juliet looking "just like her" meant that she (Juliet) looks like Annie.

Charlotte is a major B*TCH. And so far I don't think we've seen anything that indicates a need for an anthropologist or archeologist on the island...so do the Freighterous Four have yet another clandestine mission that will use Charlotte's purported skills (like investigating the Black Rock people culture? or the four-toed culture?)? Or is Charlotte there for another reason?

Who would have thought, back in Season 1, that Hurley & Sawyer would become buds?

All Locke needs is an earring in one ear & he'll be a ringer for Mr. Clean.

#7. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 7, 2008 12:15 AM

Very long-time lurker but I could not resist commenting on this excellent episode and one of Mac's funniest ever reviews. Fantastic... seriously.

Only one thing missed... by far one of the best line's EVER in Lost:
After the bug-eyed wonder freaks out "you're mine... TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED."
I swear to you all, I almost peed my pants.
Love the site, g'nite all.

#8. Posted by: Lowell at March 7, 2008 12:17 AM

@Clementine "So, are we supposed to believe Ben triggered a countdown to gas the whole island?"

I think Dan and Charlotte were only disabling the station. In doing so a countdown started. I don't think Ben's prepared to gas everyone just yet.

#9. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at March 7, 2008 12:19 AM

Oh, and also for best line, let's not forget Ben's offhand remark at dinner, "There wasn't a number on this rabbit, was there?" Nobody does offhand snide like ole Bug-Eyes :)

#10. Posted by: Clementine at March 7, 2008 12:21 AM

First time poster, long time reader.

It's true that everyone expects Ben's guy on the boat to be Michael, but what about Charlie? Is he really, really dead?

#11. Posted by: I Miss Charlie at March 7, 2008 12:21 AM

"Ben's evil knows no bounds. What kind of sick bastard would tape over the clinching game of the 2004 World Series?!?"

Definitely.

Liked the episode, did not love it though. Liked the review as always.

#12. Posted by: Daniel Rivera at March 7, 2008 12:24 AM

@Clementine:

Ben's Beyotch! OMG I almost peed myself.

@MAC

Fantastic as always. LMAO at your "Capri-Sun packet" and "creepy bug love" quips.

#13. Posted by: LostedIt at March 7, 2008 12:31 AM

Uh-oh - does Juliet have to watch her back for Meg now?

#14. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 12:39 AM

I believe it is Michael on the boat. Even from the promo it says it is someone who is from the past. Michael is the only logical person.

Good episode as usual. Love the reveal of Widmore. Now we know it is him. (After he bought the diary last week I figured it was him) the diary must of had all the secrets of the island.

#15. Posted by: Lost is Found at March 7, 2008 12:39 AM

The flashbacks felt like “high school musical” with the Ben-Juliet-Goodwin-Harper love quadrangle.
Or any episode of “Friends”. Ben came off as Ross, Juliet was Rachel, Harper was Monica, Goodwin was Chandler, Jack was Joey and Kate was Phoebe.
I can hear it now “but we were on a break!”

#16. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 12:43 AM

Best Line / Best Dialogue

Locke brings Ben a meal:

Ben: “Rabbit, John?”

Locke: “We’re running low on chickens”,

Ben: (under his breath) “I hope this one didn’t have a number on it.”

#17. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 12:46 AM

Ben fed Locke a video of Widmore so we now have a better read on Widmore, but, bottomline, is Penny anti-dad as we suspect, or a pro-dad operative? What was the candid camera deal in the warehouse with Widmore? The guy getting whooped kind of looked like 1996 Desmond, from the back. When Widmore looked-up at the candid camera person, why did he seem to recognize them AND why did the camera go immediately to dead?

#18. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 12:50 AM

the last scean may have been one of the funniest things on tv. brilliant...

#19. Posted by: laura at March 7, 2008 12:51 AM

I was really disappointed with Daniel getting the right code at the last second. That has to have been used, what, 90 billion times in movies & TV shows?

#20. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 12:52 AM

Stuttering Doc

Show Title - The Other Woman.

We all think that Juliet fooling around with married Goodwin is - the other woman. Maybe “the other woman” is the female that Ben is reminded of by Juliet.
I do know that as much as I have wanted someone to empty a clip into Juliet since... forever. Tonight, I wanted to give her a hug, hand her a 9 mil, and we both empty our pistols into Charlotte - together.

#21. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 12:59 AM

I have a wierd feeling... Actually a wierd hope, that it's not Michael on the boat... I think that that takes way part of the surprise... Maybe Lindelof and Cuse will trick us...

Oh and great recap Mac, thanks!

#22. Posted by: Fish at March 7, 2008 1:02 AM

I knew there was no way in hell that Ben was a Red Socks fan!

#23. Posted by: shikotee at March 7, 2008 1:50 AM

What about Patchy? He seems to pop up here and there when you least expect him.

#24. Posted by: LOST is my Best Friend at March 7, 2008 1:54 AM

GRAA, Mac. Loved the Capri Sun and Tempestt Bledsoe refrerences! I called the Widmore connection weeks ago, since they were looking for Desmond. Yet another question answered. Things are slowly but surely coming into focus.

#25. Posted by: James at March 7, 2008 1:59 AM

Just a quick idea about Ben's safe code. Use A=2, B=3, C=4 etc. Then:

3 6 15 = B E N

And the 2 8? A G? Annie G...?

#26. Posted by: Danny at March 7, 2008 2:53 AM

@ 3 LostedIt:

>Still watching it recorded. Only halfway through. Charles Widmore's boat? No way. And his daughter doesn't know? Are they on opposing teams now?

In last week's phone conversation, Penny said to Desmond "I know about the island. I've been researching it..."

Reading Daddy's rare manuscripts, perhaps?

o--------------

@5 Clementine asked:

>How many more undiscovered stations, hatches, shacks, radio towers, pylons, and villages are there on this island? Oh, wait, we haven’t made it to the temple yet.

Or the Orchid.

o--------------

@22 hurling

>I was really disappointed with Daniel getting the right code at the last second. That has to have been used, what, 90 billion times in movies & TV shows?

Obviously the bad guys have never read the much net-circulated "If I Was an Evil Genius", or they would have had the countdown end and the gas go off at 12.

o--------------

I don't think we've got the complete picture of Juliet, even yet. It appears from tonight that she was still a simpering, facially-emoting stalkee right up to the day we met her - day one of the crash in "A Tale of Two Cities". When, then, did she take the martial arts training that allowed her to so easily subdue Kate, and maintain a serene, expressionless visage and calm demeanor in any circumstance, be it threats from Sayid and Sawyer, or the hostility of the whole beach camp? Is she, perhaps, receiving knowledge from the *future*?

o--------------

Buying Magnus Hanso's diary doesn't explain how Widmore has so much detailed knowledge of the island - knowing about Ben and the doomsday device hidden away in the Tempest hatch. (Anybody else keep looking around for the giant hamster that supplies the island's power?) So where does Widmore get *his* intelligence from? A man/woman on the inside, perhaps?

#27. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 3:14 AM

While all of us (the hardcore fans who follow Lost online) suspect Michael to be the man on the boat, there are far more fans who follow the show religiously but not as much as us.

Those fans will be absolutely blown away by any appearance of Michael on the boat. Even with Harold Perrineau's name in the credits -- they only know character names, not actors.

Just because we aren't shocked by it doesn't mean most fans won't be. Besides, even if we're not shocked by the reveal, we'll (probably) be shocked when we find out how Michael came to be there, working for Ben.

#28. Posted by: BJ Nemeth at March 7, 2008 4:41 AM

Just a quick one, after Ben had taken Juliet to see Goodwins rotting corpse, before he ran away away did he not say something along the lines of

"with your mind? Take all the time you need"

Not your 'mine'

Would make slightly more sense, pretty trivial tbh but good review etc... x

#29. Posted by: Naz at March 7, 2008 5:10 AM

GRAA-mac

First time post /long reader

I don't know about u folks but I got the weird feeling that the Logbook of Hanso probably told Charles Widmore all He needed to know of the island and it's original inhabitants. Thats why he sent the ship. They probably had a picture of desmond because she was sent to kill him if they found him or his sail boat there. He knew the island was there and planned him getting lost forever so his daughter would not hook up with him. I live in England but watch it on Sunday nights.
I always get a heads up on the show from u guys.

#30. Posted by: leebo at March 7, 2008 6:35 AM

I must stress , I love this show, but again why don't people just talk to each other???

Conversations this episode that would have probably helped the current situation:

Charlotte/Daniel- "Listen guys, we need to get to a station called the Tempest so we can turn of a gas pipe which might poison us all! Would you mind giving us a hand?"

Ben - "Hey, John, there's this big-wig called Charles Widmore who is trying to get his mitts on the island. Personally I don't like the cut of jib!"

#31. Posted by: Rabbit No.15 at March 7, 2008 6:36 AM

GRAA Mac. Watching the show last night, I kind of commented to my wife (a casual lost watcher in the beginning, but an avid follower now) that Goodwin was sent to the Tailies by Ben in hopes he would be killed. Reference the Bible where King David sends Uriah to the frontlines of battle so he can cover up the fact he got busy with Bathsheba.

Also, ANTP (sorry, had to say it...) when Ben and Juliet get together for a delicious ham and dinner roll meal, when he opens the door, there is a quick glance over his shoulder of a painting of a woman with long blonde hair in a flowing white dress. I watched again on TIVO (God bless TIVO) and paused it at that moment. Maybe that painting is of Annie? Thoughts anyone?

#32. Posted by: Three Men and a lbaby.. (I counted Hugo twice) at March 7, 2008 7:54 AM

They don't communicate...and they don't sleep! How many days now has Jack been trekking back and forth across the island?!? Juliet says, "if we walk all night, we can make it there by morning."

#33. Posted by: RAW at March 7, 2008 8:01 AM

GRAA Mac - real funny

Michael on the boat as the captain - Uh, No! What would a city dwelling artist know about piloting a freighter. Come on people, get those imaginations working.

I knew Juliet would eventually kick charlottes ass. I now declare Juliete to be mine.

It would make sense that Widmore would want the islands only weapon of mass destruction neutralized. They are just preparing for the invasion. The island must be stabalized before the invasion. It will eventually be the Others against the Newbies in an epic battle to the death. The 815ers will be caught in the middle.

I imagine smocky monster will be on the side of the Others.

Is next week the final show before the break?

#34. Posted by: Glen at March 7, 2008 8:12 AM

***** SPOILERS ***** (from producers podcast)
I think the producers are working at polarizing the group. They talked in a podcast about presenting 2 credible explanations for why the plane is found intact by the end of the season. Perhaps this is the beginning of changing up the good vs bad guys and realigning loyalties. The teams seem to be becoming Ben/Locke vs Widmore/Jack. Crazy! I bet both sides are capable of planting a full scale decoy like 815 and they point fingers at each other. A few questions are... who is above Ben? Widmore's true intentions? Whose side will people fall on? Penny's involvement? Who do we root for anymore?!?

#35. Posted by: Lynne the Shrink at March 7, 2008 8:20 AM

So was I the only one who was totally juked out in Juliet's opening scene with the therapist? I though to myself..."ohhh this is a flashforward and Juliet got off the island." That was a good scene.

It was great that the writers had some comedic fun with Ben's character this week. I really enjoyed that and looks like others did too.

So after digesting this one, my whole world of who's good and who's bad gets jumbled up. Like many, I've always been slightly suspicious about Juliet. We were certainly led to believe that she's one of the good guys after last night, but I still remember last season when Sawyer and Kate were breaking up rocks for the others. Sawyer looked at Juliet and told Kate (us) that she was someone to watch out for.

And Widmore...good or bad? I always pictured them as the bad guys, but now I almost wonder. Are the writers just preparing to blow our minds in the future? Penny and her Father don't seem to be at odds, and Penny clearly seems to have a good heart. Are we being misled?

I will say I am utterly confused by all the speculation of Michael being on the boat. As a character, he was always portrayed as being a guy who just wanted to take his son and get the heck out of there. For the most part, he wanted nothing to do with the survivors or the others. So yes, I will be not only surprised, but maybe disappointed if he is the guy on that boat.

It looks like we'll be getting a backstory about Annie sometime in a future episode too. I think we'll learn alot about Ben at that point.

Thanks Mac!

#36. Posted by: petew at March 7, 2008 8:29 AM

Great Post Mac, the season just keeps getting better...

I def feel Michael is the connection on the boat..

#37. Posted by: Jenny Talia at March 7, 2008 8:33 AM

@3 LostedIt

Penny does know about the boat. Minkowski told Des in last week's episode that she kept calling the boat and he was ordered not to answer. Unless she didn't know who she was calling.

#38. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 8:35 AM

I think the BIG question this EP puts out there, but is not answered is “What did Nathan do to piss Ben off?” He and Goodwin are both sent into the enemy camps and then die. Does Ben know who is for him and who is against him and then send the ones who oppose him to the death?

#39. Posted by: micHael at March 7, 2008 8:35 AM

What, no comment on the return of Tom/Zeke/Mr. Friendly? Guy looks pretty good after being on the receiving end of Sawyer's .45.

BTW - There was a Charles Stanhope who is known for penning about Edmund Burke's Reflections on the French Revolution. So their families been a-fussin and a-feudin for centuries...

#40. Posted by: Randy at March 7, 2008 8:36 AM

Hey MAC - GRAA - Awesome recap brutha ! ! !

Well here I am sitting at work at 8:15 and of course I've got to get my weekly dose of Mac and Recap, better than Mac and Cheese and less filling.

Loved the ep - not as good as The Constant, but it does tie up some past events nicely.

Best Macism: "I doubt he knew Ana Lucia would turn Goodwin's torso into a Capri-Sun packet". Coffee sprayed liberally from my nose and mouth at that one. :-]

If Ben is to be believed then we finally have an answer as to who sent the freighter. It would also answer how Minkowski knew about Desmond and why Naomi had a photo of Desmond and Penny with her. Charles Widmore would have breifed certain people on who Desmond was in the event that they found him on the island. And in Minkowski's case he might have been told about Desmond and Penny as a reason for not answering the blinking light that indicated an incoming call.

This ep was chock full of answers to major and not so major mysteries.

On a side note: Goodwin must have been crazy to shack up with Juliet - Harper is "da Bomb". Then again tall, brunnete, bitchy therapists are definitely my type.

Anywho Mac - Great Recap and I can't wait to see what everyone else has to say about this episode.

P.S. - I definitely think that Michael is Ben's "man" on the boat. Of course a real twist would be if it wound up being a fully grown-up Walt.

#41. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 8:43 AM

@41 MicHael

It's Ethan, not Nathan.

#42. Posted by: marlisa at March 7, 2008 8:49 AM

One other thing - as much as Charlotte is a better addition to the cast than Paulikki was I would definitely have done cartwheels in my living room if Juliet had capped her smug, condescending ass. To me, Charlotte is the most dislikable character currently on the show. Her character walks around with this air of superiority over everyone else. She treats the Losties as if they don't deserve answers and that it would be beneath her to even try and explain anything to them.

#43. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 8:49 AM

Man on the boat: How about Too Tall Walt? If time is going fast, he would be grown up by now. I'm still putting money on Nadia, Sayid's girlfriend. He seemed shocked to see the person. Or maybe Richard Eyeliner.

Jungle Harper was Smokey ala Whispering Walt (collect the whole set!) and Eko's brother.

Oceanic #6 will be Sun to save her baby after Juliet tells her about baby death on the island. (see this theory in post #32 of "The Constant")

@Clementine: You also forgot The Starbucks Station with the coffee cup symbol.

@DocH: I think Penny is 'researching' behind Papa Wid's back ala Sun and the English lessons.


#44. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 7, 2008 8:51 AM

-42. What, no comment on the return of Tom/Zeke/Mr. Friendly? Guy looks pretty good after being on the receiving end of Sawyer's .45.
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Friendly was seen in a flashback. He is still dead otherwise, I would assume.

#45. Posted by: Stenz at March 7, 2008 8:53 AM

FABULOUS as always, Mac! Thanks much. Like Mr. grimm, I nearly sprayed coffee all over my desk when I read the Capri Sun line -- perfect!

Is anyone else groaning about Jack and Juliet? I just don't want them together and can't articulate why exactly. perhaps b/c I still think she is a sneaky little minx who can not be trusted. So sorry Mac, I disagree with you on this one. rare, I know. Anywho, happy Friday to all my fellow Lost buddies!

#46. Posted by: GatorGal at March 7, 2008 8:57 AM

Looong time lurker/First time poster

Mac, this has to be one of your funniest recaps ever...Capri-Sun,that's such (in itallics)a Ben thing to do, Tempestt Bledsoe, Daniel updating his facebook account...amazing. I also have to give props to all my fellow Lost addicts who post such clever comments. My thoughts are completely disjointed right now, so I'm just going to post in bullet point fashion.

-Does anyone else watch this show and think in terms of the blog...I sure do.

-It must be Michael on the boat, and I agree with BJ that the Michael thing may be a shock to other people...not to us. It has to be Michael??

-******Semi-Spoiler*********
-Before this season started, I heard Michael Emerson (Ben) on the radio talking about this season. He said that this was going to be very dark and violent, and that the people who come to the island will make him not look so bad. We haven't really experienced this yet, so I keep wondering when this is going to happen.

********End of Semi-Spoiler*************
-How creepy is Harper?? That is one scary chick.

-How did Ben send Harper that message??? Is there a secret passage way?? Locke would never have let her in to chat with Ben. How did Ben know that creepy Charlotte and kooky Daniel were even going to that station? Am I missing something??

-It was nice to see ol' Tom/Zeek. I must say that I am disappointed that he was killed. He is my favorite Other.

-Ben is NOT to be trusted...no matter what.

-Last thing, I hate to see Locke in such a confused state. He is one of my all time favs, and I will always root for him.

#47. Posted by: JG at March 7, 2008 8:58 AM

@GatorGal/48 - Nah, Jack's just lonely & he lost Kate to Sawyer. Even if they both got off the island safely, it wouldn't last.

#48. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 9:02 AM

So sorry about the multiple posts!!!! I've never "blogged" before, and I apparently don't know what I'm doing!!

Sorry!!!

#49. Posted by: JG at March 7, 2008 9:03 AM

@JG: No worries. Happens to the best of us!

#50. Posted by: mac at March 7, 2008 9:05 AM

Things that amek you go hmmmm......

from The Tempest, by William Shakespeare; Antonio, Act II, scene I:

"We all were sea-swallow'd, though some cast again:
And by that destiny, to perform an act
Whereof what's past is prologue, what to come
In yours and my discharge."


#51. Posted by: GatorGal at March 7, 2008 9:07 AM

@mac "this Harper "thing" has popped in on Juliet to deliver a supernatural email from Ben."

Ha! I thought the same thing. I half expected to hear her say, "You have mail."

#52. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 9:13 AM

Hello everyone
Mac, you're line about Goodwin and Ana-Lucia has definitely been a success!! Loved it, loved it!! I thought Juliette was a good one since those last episodes of season 3. I didn't like her character much though, but after last night's episode, I'm starting too. It's all really sad for her, with her feelings for Jack and all.

@Three Men and a lbaby (#34): Great the comparison with King David, I think something like that was in Ben's mind.

I didn't see anything like this on the posts before, hope I'm not being redundant: Because of Harper´s reference, I too think it meant Annie. My thoughts are that Annie died after being pregnant with Ben's child, and that's why Ben wants to find a way to stop whatever happens to women who conceive on island.

#53. Posted by: MassielZ at March 7, 2008 9:13 AM

Third best quote of the episode:

"This rabbit didn't have a number on it, did it?" –Ben

Also, I meant "make" in my post above/#51...brian working faster than fingers this morning!

#54. Posted by: GatorGal at March 7, 2008 9:14 AM

Great review as always ..

but Charlotte whacks her with a metal rod and the two engage in an epic fight while Danny updates his Facebook profile.

LMAO !!!
That is the funniest line anywhere !!!

#55. Posted by: Kimberly at March 7, 2008 9:17 AM

@mac "sometime later they stumble upon Kate, who's moaning and groaning and clutching a bloody head wound"

Where's a good scarf when you need one?

#56. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 9:19 AM

Ben's man behind the camcorder .....
Bill Belichick

#57. Posted by: lostsox at March 7, 2008 9:21 AM

@bcre8ve: I think I saw the Hurley Bird wearing Cindy's scarf ;)

#58. Posted by: mac at March 7, 2008 9:22 AM

Did we lose some posts? I'm seeing reply to p[osts that never happened, or with different numbers to the post when i find it.

#59. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 9:23 AM

@Cecil: I've been pruning duplicates. That temporarily screws up the numbering

#60. Posted by: mac at March 7, 2008 9:26 AM

Someone mentioned 'ANTP' behind Ben and Juliet about a woman in a long flowing dress....Ben's Mom perhaps? Didnt she appear to him in a 'vision' in a white flowing dress?

This show makes my head spin, I could be misremembering..

#61. Posted by: Keluha at March 7, 2008 9:27 AM

@45 Stenz...Thanks for clarifying...I knew Zeke was dead and I knew it was a flashback...it was just nice to see Ol' Tom again.

****POSSIBLE SPOILER****

In the previews for next week, they showed what looked like a cute young blond Aussie chick wearing a chain mail corset and jumping into the ocean. Was that Claire? Did I see that right? What could possibly make Claire off herself? Or was she tossed like a bucket of chum?

That freighter's starting to look a little small...they're going to need a bigger boat...specially if another helo comes around...

****END OF POSSIBLE SPOILER****

#62. Posted by: Randy at March 7, 2008 9:28 AM

@ lostsox -->#57:

LMAO - I wish I had thought of that one.

#63. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 9:28 AM

GRAA Mac

I really liked this episode save for the part where Kate is "tracking" Charlotte/Daniel/Juliet and tells Jack 'Juliet went this way, and Charlotte and Daniel came through about 30 minutes before hand'. Is she related to MacGyver??

#64. Posted by: cadams at March 7, 2008 9:28 AM

@41 MicHael It's Ethan, not Nathan.

→ 42. Posted by: marlisa at March 7, 2008 08:49 AM

My bad, I have always gotten those two mixed up. Nathan was the guy Ana put in the pit and then Goodwin killed. Also Hurley called Ethan by the name of Nathan when he was taking the census. It’s like the Scott and Steve thing from season one I got Ethan and Nathan mixed up and can’t keep them separated.

#65. Posted by: micHael at March 7, 2008 9:29 AM

@5/hurling

I had the same observation. We found Ben's emotional attachment/achilles heel.

I predict that instead of taking his wrath out on Jack, Ben will instead take it out on Juliet this time in an "If-I-can't-have-you-no-one-will" sort of way. This would explain why there have been no Juliet flashforwards.

Ben being mean, lieing, shooting Locke, gassing a whole island and killing his father...all of that I can take - but Ben as a giddy school kid playing the hopeless romantic - now that just creeeps me out!

#66. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 9:29 AM

Perhaps I’m making too much of it, but I thought that the biggest reveal of the episode was that Ben is directly connected with the entity/mechanism that causes the freak rain, whispers and magic messengers trick. If he can use it to send a message to Jules, then he either controls it, or is favored by whoever/whatever (Jacob?) does. And being kept prisoner by Locke apparently doesn’t hamper his access to that power, whoever or whatever it might be. Further, the dialogue between Jules and her ex-therapist indicates that Ben manages to be in direct contact with the Others at the Temple, again despite his captivity.

If Charles Manson actually could do all the things he claimed he could do, he’d be Ben.

#67. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 7, 2008 9:30 AM

For the whole hour, I just kept wondering - did Miles still have the grenade in his mouth, and would we be hearing a muffled boom at some point? Something along the lines of "Pieces of Miles"...

Great review Mac - I don't know how you put things together so quickly!

#68. Posted by: jaybee at March 7, 2008 9:30 AM

What an episode! This season has been blowing me away! It seems as if the obvious Man on the Boat is Michael- which is exactly why I am going to assume it is not! Could it be Walt? I know he's a kid, but the producers have said weird things about how people grow/age once off the island, right? And a 16 year old could easily work as a crewman on a boat, right? Just a wild thought, I just don't think they'd be so obvious about Michael, but maybe they are, I guess we'll see next week!

I also think Harper's suggestion of Juliet looking "just like her" could be referenceing Annie- but IMHO, Juliet looks a lot like Ben's MOTHER. And as we know, Ben has very serious and scary parental issues. His Mother was taken from him moments after his birth- perhaps that is why he demands Juliet is HIS, and won't let her go?

I loved the twist that Juliet and Goodwin were having an affair, and not just normal lovers as we were led to believe in her previous Flashback. Nothing is ever as it first appears on this show.

Widmore being the bad guy was definitely assumed- congrats to everyone that called that. I'd like to see how they explain Penny's part- they're both looking for the same place, but for different reasons- are they even aware of one another's searches?

I'm interested to learn how the Freighties know so much about the island already- the fact that there was a Power Station that housed horrible killing-gas that they have to render inert... how did they know that?

Glad to have the whispers back- and I assumed that Harper was a Hostile (Jack even made the passing reference to this, which I thought was a hoot) and not someone that Ben 'brought to the island' (like Juliet). This could explain how she is able to appear and dissapear as she did (we've seen Alpert do it, and we know him to be a Hostile). Just a thought.

Anyway, Namaste, until next time!

#69. Posted by: Sarah C at March 7, 2008 9:31 AM

Ok, so everyone in the world thinks that bens spy is Michael right. I can for sure see that, but is it possible that the real spy is Widmor's daughter Penny?

#70. Posted by: Stevo at March 7, 2008 9:32 AM

There once was a girl named Juliet
Whose destiny has now been set
Ben brought her into the fold
Where she shot a man cold
Is that her in LA in the casket?

To the real world she hopes to go back
Like Hurley and Kate and Jack
Her fate is unclear
We'll know in a year
I wonder what you think, Mac?

She's got smarts and skills with a gun
Does she go or will it be Sun
We now know her Romeo
Is our hero, Jack-O
Hope she makes it cuz she's number one

But it looks like her prospects are slim
Unless she can learn how to swim
For Ben is so vile
He'll gas you and smile
Can you please help her, Mister_Grimm?

#71. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 7, 2008 9:36 AM

Pure wishful thinking on my part, but I'd love for the man on the boat to be Mr. Eko.

#72. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 7, 2008 9:36 AM

@71/Scooby-Dude - You rock!

#73. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 9:44 AM

@27/Posted by: Cecil Rose

Being that the Tempest station is the power plant on the island, I too was disappointed that we didn't get a peek at the giant hamsters that Ben had referred to in "The Man from Tallahassee."

#74. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 9:44 AM

If anyone's interested check IMDB.COM
for updates on Harold Perrineau's acting credits for upcoming Lost episodes.

#75. Posted by: Jenny Talia at March 7, 2008 9:46 AM

The end of "The Constant" had a hand grenade, and "The Other Woman" ended on a scene with horse shoes. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw what Sawyer and Hurley were playing.

#76. Posted by: fowleball at March 7, 2008 9:46 AM

@67/Deep Cover Speaking of the "freak rain"...

Others have commented on how it always starts when the group splits up so I have been watching for it to see if it plays out. Last night was the most obvious example that I can recall. Just as the group started to split up the rain came hard and heavy.

#77. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 9:47 AM

A piece of this mysterious puzzle was repeated. After Juliet receives the message from Ben (through Harper), Kate is told 'Ben is exactly where he wants to be.'

Again, we have seen this before, but not much has been revealed regarding how far Ben's control reaches, or how he executes that control.

#78. Posted by: JT at March 7, 2008 9:53 AM

I find it weird that after three months or so on the island and roaming around, the Losties never once stumbled on this "new" station.

#79. Posted by: Madally Wurlpiz at March 7, 2008 9:53 AM

good morning to all:

ben's line at the end was definitely the best line and funny as hell. the fact that he was practically skipping to his bungalow with fresh sheets and pillow cases with a smile on his face was priceless.

i have to argree with poster #35, i'm not sure who to root for anymore. i have grown very fond of our losties and want everyone to get what they want, be it leave, stay or whatever.

ben is PURE evil but at the same time i dont want widmore to find the island and exploit it, hence my deliema(did i spell that right?)of who to root for.

ahhh mr grimm...., i to think walt will be the manchild on the boat. :) i agree 100% with you about charlotte, kick her condescending ass and demand to know why the hell is she really here. :)

peace&love to all

#80. Posted by: tiffani at March 7, 2008 9:57 AM

@8/Alaïs_Longthought "..a need for an anthropologist or archaeologist on the island."

From digonsite.com:
"Technically, an anthropologist studies all aspects of humanity - physical (or biological), cultural, and archaeological. The archaeologist has a narrower field, and studies the past by recovering and analyzing artifacts and evidence of material culture."

It is interesting that Charlotte is an anthropologist and not just an archaeologist. Since anthropologists are experts in culture (and often cross culture) could it be that part of her reason for being a freighter tot is to reach out to the island natives? Or maybe she's just Jonesin' (as in Indiana) for an artifact that Widmore is interested in.

#81. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 9:58 AM

Long time reader first time poster.

This episode really confused me...more than Constant. The intentions of the Boaties is more cloudy then ever. Are you telling me they were sent to go to the Tempest to render a gas inert. In doing so there is a high risk that gas will be released and kill everyone. This is sounds like a ridiculous mission and poor design on the machine.

Also, someone mentioned this. Why didn't Charollete and Faraday just tell Jack what they were going to do. And also Kate; Char claims she "had to" hit her over the head. Why? Just tell her what they're doing.

They have full gas masks and suits on just in case they fail. So they are willing to risk everyone's life on the island now just to render something inert so that Ben can one day NOT use it to kill everyone. Completely illogical. Why not make a better plan to kill Ben?

What I think is really going on is that they intended to kill everyone on the island as Widmore's orders. Recall the conversation with Char and Faraday where Faraday says, "What if I can't do it?" This could either mean what if he fails and ends up killing everyone. Or it could mean what if he can't garner the courage to kill everyone.

So when Juliet comes and takes off their masks they don't want to set the thing off anymore. So they change their plan and deactivate the machine (not rendering it inert) so that they can later kill everyone.

I also think Ben is on the good guys, and Juliet was referenced to look like Ben's mom.

#82. Posted by: Matt S at March 7, 2008 10:06 AM

LOST VAGUEST ODDS
Based on known facts, hints from the producers, speculation by bloggers, and my own theories, these are the current betting odds :
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Ben's Man on the freighter :
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Michael: 1-1
Charlotte: 3-1
Walt: 4-1
Richard Alpert : 7-1
Annie : 7-1
Mikhail : 8-1
Lapidus: 10-1
Mintkowski: 12-1
Farraday : 15-1
Cindy : 20-1
Miles: 20-1
Jacob: 25-1

-------------------
Person in Coffin
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Michael : 3-2
Walt : 3-1
New Character : 6-1
Ben : 10-1
Empty: 20-1

--------------
Oceanic 6
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Aaron 3-2
Sun 3-2
Jin 2-1
Michael 7-1
Cindy 8-1
Desmond 10-1
Walt 10-1
Ben 25-1
Someone else 40-1
------------------

#83. Posted by: vacc at March 7, 2008 10:10 AM

Wow, I didn’t see that cat fight coming on at all. I was hoping that Juliet would have pulled a Mike Tyson on Charlotte and bit her ear off. I was watching the fight waiting for Daniel to walk around the fight arena with a big card saying Round 1 but the whole Hazardous Materials Suit threw me off.

Benified Bugged-Eyed Ben's smooth moves on Juliet were priceless. I was so waiting for him to say that he was going to play his sweet Neil Diamond record for Juliet. I could just hear it in the back ground "Love on the rocks, Ain't no surprise
Pour me a drink
And I'll tell you some lies."


#84. Posted by: Hopelessly Devoted to Lost at March 7, 2008 10:19 AM

I really don't understand how Ben sent got his message to the therapist to give to Juliet. We're assuming he is truly locked up in his basement under Locke's guard, but there must be something more going on there.

I hate the Jack-Juliet relationship. Goodwin died 3 months ago and shes already in love with Jack? So stupid. It feels forced and I hate it. The only relationships on the show that make any sense and feel even remotely real are Penny-Desmond, Sun-Jin, and Claire-Charlie. I hate stupid, unrealistic, forced-for-TV-viewing love stories.

#85. Posted by: Hurley Is Hot at March 7, 2008 10:20 AM

The man Widmore is beating up on Ben's secret security tape is 1996 Desmond from the Constant.

Ben taped over the 2004 Red Sox championship game that was showed to Jack.

The inference is that Ben went back into time to 1996 to record Widmore to create a file on him. The only way to "back track" time is to follow a time traveler like Desmond, either tapping into Desmond's "flashes" or recording his memories (which would have been from a first person perspective and not the angle of the camera taping the scene) or physically returning to that point and time to make copies of what was occurring in real time.

#86. Posted by: welh at March 7, 2008 10:24 AM

Is there any recreational sport that Hurley can't play? He's out played Sawyer in horseshoes and ping pong. He outplayed everyone in the golf invitational and he beat Jack in HORSE. The man is a recreational monster!

#87. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 7, 2008 10:25 AM

Great episode. I loved the # on the rabbit line. Also,did anybody catch the comment Zeke made to Juliette after leaving Harper? Something like in no time she'll have you crying about your Daddy. I thought that was interesting considering the comments about the Losties all having daddy issues.

#88. Posted by: xanadude at March 7, 2008 10:27 AM

GRAA Mac!

God I loved that Rabbit line! I was saying the same thing to my wife as Locke was gutting it.

This episode did a wonderful job in making me question who I really want to root for. As evil and back-handed as Ben is, his reasons for protecting the island somehow made sense to me. And how can you not love the mans cynicism?

This episode also showed me how much I hate Charlotte. Why couldn't Juliet just "Capri'd" her during their mud wrestling match?

With the introduction as Widmore being the main person out to get Ben, does this mean we can assume that he was Elsa's boss?

#89. Posted by: The Other Other at March 7, 2008 10:30 AM

havent read yet..im sure someone mentioned it...but im sure the person the skrink was refering to when she said to juliette "you look just like her" was annie bens childhood friend

#90. Posted by: locke is an idiot at March 7, 2008 10:30 AM

@michael H (#39)

That is a good point about Ethan's wrong to Ben. We see how vindictive and calculating he can be

Great review Mac (as usual!)

#91. Posted by: toni at March 7, 2008 10:32 AM

Speaking of Ethan, I wonder has William 'Ethan Rom' Mapother set a television record for "Most Appearances by a Deceased Character"?

#92. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 10:37 AM

The person Juliet looks like is Ben's mother.

#93. Posted by: MS at March 7, 2008 10:39 AM

We're all assuming that Ben somehow "sent" a message through the creepy therapist. What if this is not the case? What if there is a THIRD agenda being played out here, to set Ben up and get him out? It's not like anyone would believe he did NOT do it, right? The whispering and her vanishing act was just too unusual.

And how is it Jules has not killed Ben, for what he did to Goodwin? I suppose Ben has the threat of harming her sister.

I think the death of Goodwin is the event that hardened Juliet. Where she learned her fighting skills, who knows.

#94. Posted by: The Duf at March 7, 2008 10:42 AM

Anagrams for "Harper Stanhope":

"The Horn Appears" - Ben's horn (as get on the horn and call Juliet) appears

"Perhaps Eat Horn" - How did Harper disappear so quickly? Perhaps Smokey Eat Horn.

"Preheat Orphans" - reference to flight eight-fiftweeners Emma and Zack?

"Notepaper Harsh" - Those notes she was taking on Juliet could not have been nice.

"An Other Perhaps" - Is she an Other or a native? (cue spooky music - DUN, DUN, DUN!)

"She Appear North" - North *is* the direction of the freighter...

"Rat Hero Happens" - Eloise!

"Hare Rot Happens" - Reference to Ben's dinner?

"Perhaps Not Hare" - Another reference to Ben's dinner. Anyone seen Vincent lately?

#95. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 10:43 AM

This episode certainly reveals a lot. I have friends who thought it was kindda eh, but to me it was very revealing. I have always suspected that Locke was stupid enough to fall for Ben's mind games. Ben killed his own father for effs sake, he CANNOT be trusted with anything he does or says, he is willing to kill his Other followers to get into Juliette's pants. Ben is pure and magnificent evil. So of course he would do anything or say anything to earn that tool Locke's trust. I was very surprised to learn that Penny's daddy was the man behind the boat, in one of this seasons episodes, when Sayid is sent out to kill a lot of men on Ben's list, then who are all these dudes he's offing? Widmore's associates, his club members, his homeys, who? It is obvious that everyone is thinking that Micheal is Ben's main dude on the boat but the writers know that we know that they know, so i think they will provide someone else.
Was that Claire jumping off the freighter on next weeks episode???
Mac, thanks dude you Rock!

#96. Posted by: mapache at March 7, 2008 10:46 AM

I don't believe hearing that Michael is Ben's man on the boat would be news that Locke would have to 'sit down' to hear.
I propose . . .ready?? . . . Boone.
Locke was close to him AND thought he was dead. He would definitely have to sit down to hear that.
(this theory is as plausible as much of the other happenings on Lost!)
I just have to wonder why the writers thought it necessary to have Locke be the one to ask that question. Why, really, would he care?

#97. Posted by: dharma anne at March 7, 2008 10:48 AM

also with all the wacky time issues with the island..perhaps BEN is bens man on the boat

#98. Posted by: locke is and idiot at March 7, 2008 10:48 AM

I thought I heard mac rolling over in his blog when Ben said he had recorded over the Red Sox game.

#99. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 10:53 AM

ok, long time lurker i guess you would say, but need to tell you all - you are getting under my skin! (Not that that's a bad thing)
I found myself thinking about meg more than once while watching the show, wondering what she thought of ben's cute little 'glance back at juliet dance' while taking out the ham, and if jealousy was clouding the wine glass, and that is just not right! is it?
thanks to you all for giving me something to do besides work on fridays....

#100. Posted by: lost in VT at March 7, 2008 10:54 AM

@102/lost in VT

Thanks to meg and ilovebenjaminlinusandeveryoneelseontheplanetxxx, the writers read mac's blog last week and have responded with, "They want more Ben face time? I'll give 'em more Ben face time!"

I wonder what can we get on next week's show?

#101. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 11:03 AM

Hi, first time poster. I've been watching since the first episode and haven't missed one yet. Great blog MAC and I, along with everyone else just loved the Capri Sun comment!! Anyway, I was just wondering!! Could it possibly be Juliet in the coffin? It might explain why Jack was so upset/conflicted??? and also explain why Kate asked "why would I want to go to the funeral" as if he were nuts to think she'd want to. There's never been too much love lost between those two!!
I was also wondering when the heck we were going to hear what happened to Miles?? Will Claire go behind Locke's back and go talk to him? Or will Locke realize she's right about trying a different approach? Can't wait 'til next week to find out who Ben's man on the boat is.. they've led us to believe that Sayid and Desmond meet the captain which is also supposed to be a surprise.. is the Captain and Ben's man one and the same or are there two suprises in store?

#102. Posted by: Nan at March 7, 2008 11:06 AM

@103 bcre8ve

I keep hoping for a cameo of Cindy, her scarf or both sometime soon. If they could show them in a fax room, that'd be a tremendous bonus! :-)

#103. Posted by: petew at March 7, 2008 11:06 AM

Hi, first time poster. I've been watching since the first episode and haven't missed one yet. Great blog MAC and I, along with everyone else just loved the Capri Sun comment!! Anyway, I was just wondering!! Could it possibly be Juliet in the coffin? It might explain why Jack was so upset/conflicted??? and also explain why Kate asked "why would I want to go to the funeral" as if he were nuts to think she'd want to. There's never been too much love lost between those two!!
I was also wondering when the heck we were going to hear what happened to Miles?? Will Claire go behind Locke's back and go talk to him? Or will Locke realize she's right about trying a different approach? Can't wait 'til next week to find out who Ben's man on the boat is.. they've led us to believe that Sayid and Desmond meet the captain which is also supposed to be a surprise.. is the Captain and Ben's man one and the same or are there two suprises in store?

#104. Posted by: Nuts at March 7, 2008 11:08 AM

@102/104

Is Nan Nuts?

#105. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 11:17 AM

Oh, and one other thing that bothered me and I hope the rest of the crowd.

So, this station The Tempest. Amazing place, biggest station yet, filled with electrical gear and tanks of nerve gas, and yet there is nobody *guarding* this place? What the heck is up with that?

Opinions? Maybe it used to be Mikhail's job to keep his one eye on it... ;)

#106. Posted by: The Duf at March 7, 2008 11:17 AM

@jaybee #68: I hope not. I don't need the competition!

@lostsox #57: Classic!

@Stevo #70: It can't be Penny. She's been calling the ship (per Minkowski) and Desmond called her from the ship.

#107. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 7, 2008 11:21 AM

First of all, I have to say that Mac's recap was better than this episode. I can't explain, but it left me feeling kinda empty. It certainly wasn't nosebleed material.

-31 Rabbit #15 (great name): I wonder, too, why don't these people just talk to each other????

Best-delivered line IMHO: After Charlotte hits Kate, Daniel looks at her quizzically, and she says: "Wha???"

We haven't heard from ILBLXX yet today. I'm guessing she's crushed after Ben telling Juliette "You're mine". Hang in there, girlie.

I anxiously await all of the other sublime posts that are sure to come.


#108. Posted by: lovelost at March 7, 2008 11:28 AM

I doubt the captain and Ben's "man" are the same person. That would mean that Ben's man infiltrated the freighter before they even came to the island. (I suppose it's possible though). I wouldn't be shocked if Regina is the captain.

As far as Ben's Man on the Boat. BMOB. I'm having a hard time believing it to be Michael (or at least present time Michael).

How long has it been since Michael left from Pala Ferry? 30 days? Lostpedia has him leaving on Day 67. We're on Day 97. Is that enough time to infiltrate the freighter? And why would the freighters trust Michael?

With time-travelling conciousness though, I wouldn't be surprised if it is future Michael jumping in to present Michael's mind to do Ben's dirty work. And Walt is his constant. We already know he "cares deeply" about Walt.

Do we know how long the freighter has been here? Based on the X'd off calendar in the Communications room it appears they have been there since at least Oct 1. (Not long after the flight crashed).

But, how does that coincide with the timeline that the wreckage was found near the Sundra Trench? That would mean the fake wreckage was found within a week of the crash, so that Abbadon's crew could get put together to find the island. I think they've been looking for this island longer than we know. Widmore bought the log in 1996 for pete's sake!

I'm guessing that the freighter has been there for a while - and only recently did Naomi & team arrive. Abbadon only shows her the 5 of them. He doesn't mention any other of the crew.

My other thought is future Sayid is Ben's man on the boat. That would make you sit down! We know Sayid is already on the boat, and we know that future sayid works for Ben, and we know time travelling consciousness is possible, so illogically I jump to the conclusion that time-travelling Sayid is BMOB.

#109. Posted by: GFish at March 7, 2008 11:34 AM

Is Nan Nuts?
→ 105. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 11:17 AM

:) Oops.. sorry.. double post. It looked like it hadn't gone through so I posted again and figured Nuts was a better name since I totally am!! I hope that's what you're referring to and not my crazy idea that it might be Juliet in the coffin!!

#110. Posted by: Nuts at March 7, 2008 11:35 AM

Harper Stanhope is an anagram for Pharaoh Serpent.

If you read the Tempest & Exodus in the bible you will read about the Pharaoh and the serpent.

#111. Posted by: alex at March 7, 2008 11:37 AM

The Pharaoh Serpent of Harper Stanhope is related to ehyptian myth about the shipwrecked sailer.

The Shipwrecked Sailor
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When Pharaoh Amen-em-het ruled Egypt in about the year 2000 BC he brought peace and prosperity to a country that had been torn by civil war and rebellion for nearly two hundred years. During his reign adventurers and traders went on many expeditions to the south - either up the Nile through Nubia and even as far as Ethiopia, or along the Red Sea and out into the Indian Ocean to the mysterious land of Punt, whence they brought back jewels and spices and other treasures.

The Royal Court, whether, it was in residence at Thebes or Memphis, was thronged with ships' captains and the leaders of expeditions, each with a tale to tell - and each anxious to win a commission from Pharaoh to command some royal venture on the strength of his past achievements.

One day such a wanderer stopped the Grand Vizier in the palace courtyard at Thebes, and said to him, 'My lord, harken to me a while. I come with costly gifts for Pharaoh, nor shall his counselors such as yourself be forgotten. Listen, and I will tell you of such adventures as have not been told: Pharaoh himself - life, health, strength be to him! - will reward you for bringing to his presence a man with such adventures to tell. I have been to a magic island in the sea far to the south - far beyond Nubia, to the south even of Ethiopia. I beg of you to tell Pharaoh that I am here and would tell my tale to him.'

The Grand Vizier was accustomed to such appeals, and he looked doubtfully at the wanderer and said, 'It seems to me that you speak foolishly and have only vain things to tell. Many men such as you think that a tall story will win them a commission from Pharaoh - but when they tell their tale they condemn themselves out of their own mouths. If what you have to tell is one of these, be sure that I shall have you thrown out of the palace. But if it is of sufficient interest, I may bring you before Pharaoh. Therefore speak on at your own risk, or else remain silent and trouble me no more.'

'I have such a tale to tell,' answered the wanderer, 'that I will risk your anger with an easy mind. When you have heard it, you will beg me to come before Pharaoh and tell it to him - even to the good god Pharaoh Amen-em-het who rules the world. Listen, then:

'I was on my way to the mines of Pharaoh in a great ship rowed by a hundred and fifty sailors who had seen heaven and earth and whose hearts were stronger than lions. We rowed and sailed for many days down the Red Sea and out into the ocean beyond.

'The captain and the steersman swore that they knew the signs of the weather and that the wind would not be strong but would waft us gently on our way. Nevertheless before long a tempest arose suddenly and drove us towards the land. As we drew near the shore the waves were eight cubits in height and they broke over the ship and dashed it upon the rocks. I seized a piece of wood and flung myself into the sea just as the ship ran aground: a moment later it was smashed to pieces and every man perished.

'But a great wave raised the board to which I clung high over the sharp rocks and cast me far up the shore, on level sand, and I was able to crawl into the shelter of the trees out of reach of the cruel, angry sea.

'When day dawned the tempest passed away and the warm sun shone out. I rose up to see where I was, giving thanks to the gods for my delivery when all the rest had perished. I was on an island with no other human being to be a companion to me. But such an island as no man has seen! The broad leaves of the thicket where I lay formed a roof over my head to shield me from the burning midday sun. When I grew hungry and looked about for food, I found all ready for me within easy reach: figs and grapes, all manner of good herbs, berries and grain, melons of all kinds, fishes and birds for the taking.

'At first I satisfied my hunger on the fruits around me. And on the third day I dug a pit and kindled a fire in it on which I made first of all a burnt offering to the gods, and then cooked meat and fish for myself.

'As I sat there comfortably after an excellent meal I suddenly heard a noise like thunder. Nearly beside myself with terror, I flung myself on the ground, thinking that it was some great tidal wave come to engulf the island: for the trees were lashing as if at the breath of the tempest and the earth shook beneath me.

"Moving towards me I saw a serpent thirty cubits long with a beard of more than two cubits."
'But no wave came, and at last I cautiously raised my head and looked about me. Never shall I forget the horror of that moment. Moving towards me I saw a serpent thirty cubits long with a beard of more than two cubits. Its body was covered with golden scales and the scales round its eyes shaded off into blue as pure as lapis lazuli.

'The serpent coiled up its whole length in front of where I lay with my face on the ground, reared its head high above me, and said: "What has brought you, what has brought you here, little one? Say, what has brought you to my island? If you do not tell me at once I will show you what it is to be- burnt with fire, what is it to be burnt utterly to nothing and become a thing invisible. Speak quickly, I am waiting to hear what I have not heard before, some new thing!"

'Then the serpent took me in his huge jaws and carried me away to his cave, and put me down there without hurting me. Yes, though he had held me in his sharp teeth he had not bitten me at all; I was still whole.

'Then he said again, "What has, brought you, what has brought you here, little one? Say what has brought you to this island in the midst of the sea with the waves breaking on all sides of it?"

'At this I managed to speak, crouching before him and bowing my face to the ground as if before Pharaoh himself.

'"I sailed by command of Amen-em-het, Pharaoh of Egypt, in a great ship one hundred and fifty cubits in length to bring treasure from the mines of the south. But a great tempest broke upon us and dashed the ship upon the rocks so that all who sailed in her perished except for myself. As for me, I seized a piece of wood and was lifted on it over the rocks and cast upon this island by a mighty wave, and I have been here for three days. So behold me, your suppliant, brought hither by a wave of the sea."

'Then the serpent said to me, "Fear not, fear not, little one, nor let your face show sadness. Since you have come to my island in this way, when all your companions perished, it is because some god has preserved and sent you. For surely Amon-Re has set you thus upon this island of the blessed where nothing is lacking, which is filled with all good things. And now I will tell you of the future: here in this isle shall you remain while one month adds itself to another until four months have passed. Then a ship shall come, a ship of Egypt, and it shall carry you home in safety, and at length you shall die in your own city and be laid to rest in the tomb which you have prepared.

'"And now I will tell you of this island. For it is pleasant to hear strange things after fear has been taken away from you - and you will indeed have a tale to tell when you return home and kneel before Pharaoh, your lord and master. Know then that I dwell here with my brethren and my children about me; we are seventy-five serpents in all, children and kindred. And but one stranger has ever come amongst us: a lovely girl who appeared strangely and on whom the fire of heaven fell and who was turned into ashes. As for you, I do not think that heaven holds any thunderbolts for one who has lived through such dangers. It is revealed to me that, if you dwell here in patience, you shall return in the fullness of time and hold your wife and children in your arms once more."

"...if what you have said to me happens indeed, I shall come before Pharaoh and tell him about you, and speak to him of your greatness."
'Then I bowed before him, thanking him for his words of comfort, and said, "All that I have told you is true, and if what you have said to me happens indeed, I shall come before Pharaoh and tell him about you, and speak to him of your greatness. And I will bring as offerings to you sacred oils and perfumes, and such incense as is offered to the gods in their temples. Moreover I shall tell him of all the wonders of this isle, and I shall sacrifice asses to you, and Pharaoh shall send out a ship filled with the riches of Egypt as presents to your majesty."

'The king serpent laughed at my words, saying, "Truly you are not rich in perfumes - for here in this island I have more than in all the land of Punt. Only the sacred oil which you promise me is scarce here - yet you will never bring it, for when you are gone this island will vanish away and you shall never more see it. Yet doubtless the gods will reveal it in time to come to some other wanderer."

'So I dwelt happily in that enchanted island, and the four months seemed all too short. When they drew to a close I saw a ship sailing over the smooth sea towards me, and I climbed into a high tree to see better what manner of men sailed in it.

And when I perceived that they were men of Egypt, I hastened to the home of the serpent king and told him. But he knew already more than I did myself, and said to me, "Farewell, brave wanderer. Return in safety to your home and may my blessing go with you."

'Then I bowed before him and thanked him, and he gave me gifts of precious perfumes - of cassia and sweet woods, of kohl and cypress, of incense, of ivory and of other precious things. And when I had set these upon the ship and the sailors would have landed, the island seemed to move away from them, floating on the sea. Then night fell suddenly, and when the moon shone out there was no island in sight but only the open waves.

'So we sailed north and in the second month we came to Egypt, and I have made haste to cross the desert from the sea to Thebes. Therefore, I pray you, lead me before Pharaoh, for I long to tell him of my adventures and lay at his feet the gifts of the King of the Serpents, and beg that he will make me commander of a royal ship to sail once more into the ocean that washes the shores of Punt.'

When the wanderer's tale was ended, the Grand Vizier laughed heartily, crying, 'Whether or not I believe your adventures, you have told a tale such as delights the heart of Pharaoh - life, health, strength be to him! Therefore come with me at once, and be sure of a rich reward: to you who tell the tale, and to me who brings before him the teller of the tale.'

So the wanderer passed into the presence of the good god Pharaoh Amen-em-het, and Pharaoh delighted in the story of the shipwrecked sailor so much that his chief scribe Ameni-amen-aa was set to write it down upon a roll of papyrus where it may be read to this very day.

#112. Posted by: alex at March 7, 2008 11:40 AM

@102/104

I thought we know that the person in the coffin was a man - so unless that is Juilet's big secret, its not her in the coffin.

(am i wrong?)

#113. Posted by: toni at March 7, 2008 11:42 AM

I thought it was interesting about Juliette questioning Ben about keeping the kids from the plane and Ben replying they were "on the list".
Still don't understand how Widmore knows about Ben (I get the Desmond connection).

#114. Posted by: Rudy at March 7, 2008 11:46 AM

Read this paragraph about the serpent and how in the fourth month a ship will come to rescue them and take them home so they can die there.

----

'Then the serpent said to me, "Fear not, fear not, little one, nor let your face show sadness. Since you have come to my island in this way, when all your companions perished, it is because some god has preserved and sent you. For surely Amon-Re has set you thus upon this island of the blessed where nothing is lacking, which is filled with all good things. And now I will tell you of the future: here in this isle shall you remain while one month adds itself to another until four months have passed. Then a ship shall come, a ship of Egypt, and it shall carry you home in safety, and at length you shall die in your own city and be laid to rest in the tomb which you have prepared.

#115. Posted by: Alex at March 7, 2008 11:47 AM

@Cecil Rose: Ethan is nowhere near the dead owner from "Andy Richter Controls the Universe".

@TheDuf #106: I think the Others are stretched a little thin with all the killing by the Beachies. Besides I think Ben sent them to the Alcatraz Island before wandering off by himself.

#116. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 7, 2008 11:53 AM

First of all: Lost in Baltimore, Alaïs_Longthought, Cecil Rose ... thank you ...

@bcre8ve/95:
More Harper S. anagrams:

"hanso prep earth" (hmm ...)
"perhaps a hornet" (not just an other)

"phones her apart" &
"rare phone paths" (Des/Pen call ref?)

"porn spa heather" (her "professional" name?)

#117. Posted by: ealgumby at March 7, 2008 11:54 AM

Harper Stanhope = An Other Perhaps

#118. Posted by: Len at March 7, 2008 12:02 PM

Great Review Mac, Thanks!

Anyone think Harper looked like the young Annie? She did not resemble Juliet at all.

I don't think Locke would be so very surprised at Michael being Ben's man on the boat, but it does make sense.

Help me or you'll never see your son again.

They all know he would do anything to get his son safe and they heard that they had been duoble crossed at the dock when Michael left.

I think Sayid would really blow their socks off. Want to Nadia again?

Question. Does the unstuck in time syndrome only happen when you leave the island? Did Minkowski and Mate actually get to the island? I think they said no. So why were they effected. And are we to assume that Prof. Dan's quirkiness is island effect, because he seemed to relax when he found his constant? So he has been there befor?

Also, Remeber Dan's notebook? Anyone think the page before the constant note on the right hand side looks like the drawing on the crah door? lines conecting cicles in a 3 dimensional pyramid shape?

#119. Posted by: Berkyo at March 7, 2008 12:02 PM

Was it just me or did the scene outside the chemical place look alot like Return of the Jedi? I kept expecting an Ewok to come wobbling around the corner. At the very least a Wookie.

#120. Posted by: J-Flo at March 7, 2008 12:04 PM

I did not like the Tempest element; it was another contrived, forced television melodrama formula.

Charlotte and Dan are on a team trying to find Ben. They don't go to find Ben, they go to the Tempest.
They go to the station with gas masks to "disarm" it so Ben won't use it; but Ben is captured and can't control the stations or release gas that could kill himself. You don't need gas masks to disarm a station; you wear them if you are intent on releasing the gas. Once confronted, Dan claims to working on making the toxic gas inert. (I don't believe the science here; I believe one uses an antidote to neutralize the effects of the gas after it is released).

It is also not plausible that Faraday would know how to control this station unless he had been there before (but the map infers that he had not been there before arriving on the island) or trained by someone who had been there before (all the Dharma personnel were killed off by Ben in the Purge)

It was a strained premise to try to convince us the freighter crew was friendly-then evil-now back to friendly to the 815ers.

#121. Posted by: welh at March 7, 2008 12:04 PM

you know what would be awesome?
if this happens...

Captain reavealed to be a young 20 something man.

sayid and desmond look at him...
he says i came to rescue you, friends...

sayid asks who are you?

man says sayid ... its me... walt...

and then the title LOST flashes in...

now that would be mind blowing but then again i am writing about it...

what also would be crazy is if penny is working for her dad and end up killing desmond... that would be funny though i hope it doesnt happen cuz des and pen (denny!) are the best thing about lost

#122. Posted by: Dave at March 7, 2008 12:07 PM

-112 and 115
Alex, Alex, Alex...keep it in the short grass. #112 was totally unnecessary for this forum, while your #115 post was to the point and a great reference.

#123. Posted by: lovelost at March 7, 2008 12:08 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the King David connection with Goodwin and Ben.

Here's my problem with the chemical bomb (or whatever you want to call it)- why would Ben want to set it off in the first place? Wouldn't killing everybody on the island be... uh... a little counterproductive?

And the "shut the bomb off just in time" thing makes me wonder if it was some kind of sham mission all along. Like the frieghter people need to go to any great lengths to get the Losties to hate Ben more.

And why did a bunch of utopian hippies like Dharma have a nerve gas factory to begin with?

Lastly, Juliette is so hot it makes my glands hurt.

"...Tempestt Bledsoe's electric personality" Lollers!!

#124. Posted by: Chris at March 7, 2008 12:09 PM

Not really a spoiler but just a guess for what may happen....
Claire feeling unappreciated like any stay at home mum, leaves Aaron with a trusted babysitter (Hurley) and goes off to talk to Miles. Bad idea..She dies when the grenade is detonated as she tries to help him.....
Hurley feeling despondent and angry at Locke takes Aaron back to Jack and Kate who smuggle him off Island..
Claire mentioned last week that Aaron was born on this Island and can sleep through anything..
This is pure speculation, considering I am 0 for 40 on previous posts...
Also, best line had to be after Charlotte knocks Kate out, she looks at Dan and says, "what?". Great delivery...
Again, with Ben's list and references to people's Files...It is like Ben is St. Peter at the pearly gates..

#125. Posted by: UsetheSchwartz at March 7, 2008 12:10 PM

Oh, And if the frieghter had the incoming call from Penny, how come the underwater hatch had the same incoming call? Is it on a party line with Widmores boat? very interesting.

#126. Posted by: Berkyo at March 7, 2008 12:12 PM

i don't think that the therapist was really there when she appeared to juliet. she appeared with the whispers and the rain (always signs that bad things are about to happen!) and disappeared too quickly.

i think it was really jacob/smokey or whatever it is that takes the form of jack's father, eko's brother, hurley's friend dave, etc.

speaking of hurley's friend dave

I'm rewatching the season finale of season 2 and noticed something

Libby was married to someone named David (she told that to Desmond when she gave her the boat for him to use to sail around the world and get to the island) who died a month earlier

We also saw Libby in the same mental hospital as Hurley

Hurley was haunted by a person in the mental instituation named "Dave", who also appeared on the island

I don't think it is coincidence.

It's a shame they let Libby go. That was an interesting back story that I would have liked to see developed

also someone pointed out last week that penny had a wedding or engagment ring on. i also saw in the season 2 finale that penny's father said that penny had moved on and got married.

and i still think that michael is ben's man on the boat!

#127. Posted by: Bas at March 7, 2008 12:18 PM

First time poster, long time lurker. I love these recaps and the comments because this show always creates more questions than answers.

Going back several episodes to when Jack beat Ben to a pulp en route to the radio tower with his posse, Ben made an emphatic point that the people on the freighter are not coming to rescue them and that allowing it to happen would mean that every LIVING thing on the island would die. This may very well have been pointed out already, but I sensed that there was clearly emphasis on the word "living" and thought that it could be meant to imply that there were those among the Losties/Others that were essentially either not of this world, or not living. Backtracking to the "history is going to repeat itself" comments Ben made to Locke, I cant help but wonder if the threat of a gas leak only poses a threat to the living island inhabitants (cant kill whats already dead, eh?).
And that somehow the appearances of these "visions" (Walt, Harper, Jack's Dad..etc etc) substantiates that there is a mix of 'alive and well' with 'really most sincerely dead' upon our favorite island.

Great job MAC

#128. Posted by: My Hanso Clean at March 7, 2008 12:21 PM

@68
OMG!!!

I forgot all about poor Miles!

LOL

#129. Posted by: Berkyo at March 7, 2008 12:24 PM

@Berkyo/119
"Also, Remeber Dan's notebook? Anyone think the page before the constant note on the right hand side looks like the drawing on the crah door? lines conecting cicles in a 3 dimensional pyramid shape?"

As I recall, this was a light cone diagram showing the "time travel" course through warped space.

#130. Posted by: ealgumby at March 7, 2008 12:26 PM

@welh #121:

I think the point of the Tempest in the story was two-fold.

1st it showed how Ben was able to gas everyone involved in the Dharma Initiative back in the ep "The Man Behind the Curtain". I'd always wondered how the barracks were gassed but there were no canisters lying around in evidence.

2nd it shows that the Freighter folks are determined to take control of the island. They have to assume that Ben wouldn't be the only one with the ability to release the gas. Even if he's captured they have to assume that he would have a 2nd in command that would have the means to release the gas in the event of an incursion.

It makes sense to have a scientist render the gas inert, he would be familiar with chemicals and their composition. The easiest way to do that is to alter the mixture of chemicals. The chemical mixture would still be dangerous but only as a liquid and wouldn't be poisonous as a gas, I think. They would be wearing the protective suits in the event that there was a leak during the process.

I still don't understand why they didn't just tell the Losties what they needed to do, but I'm sure they think they have a good reason.

Just my interpretation of events.

#131. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 12:27 PM

Wasn't Jack able to see Harper, so she wasn't an apparition of Juliette's?

I also think Juliette is supposed to look like Ben's mom. The girl who played Annie in the flashback had straight dark hair. While I myself am not a "true blonde" either later in life, I still think they would have gotten a blonde child to play Annie if they wanted us to make the Annie/Juliette similarity connection.

So has this solidified that Aaron is one of the O6 (I personally don't think he is):
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun?

My favorite Mac-line: "Jules is a compasionate doctor with homewrecker tendencies", I said "good one Mac" out loud at work.

#132. Posted by: Rudy at March 7, 2008 12:34 PM

@36 deep cover:
;) Me too! i was started thinking Juliette sneaked in as an Oceanic 6 when she started talking about being a celebrity. but only for a minute!

@67, petew:

i had similar thought about Ben's ability to communicate, you might be on to something here. as Harper said, Ben is exactly where he wants to be. but still manages to communicate, manipulate and control the situation.

I have theory that Ben has mastered the art of time-traveling at least on a limited scale. He is able to manipulate situations because he has seen how things will turn out to be.

I think gasing the entire island was part of Ben's plan. May be thats the reason why others are send to the temple, some underground facility where they can bunker down while gas wears off. In the second season, Kelvin was shown using a gas mask and suit, may be still weary of the first gas attack!

i would place my money on Michael being the 'man on the boat'!

#133. Posted by: aj at March 7, 2008 12:34 PM

@LostedIt #3 - I totally buy that Charles and Penny are at cross-purposes. She loves Desmond, always did. Daddy hates him. So if she wants to find the love of her life, she has to cross her father. Also, Daddy Widmore's the bad guy only if you believe Ben is the good guy.

@Cecil Rose #27 - My guess is Juliet received martial-arts training on the island. The Others all seemed to have had some military-esque training/skills (sneaking around the island, setting false traps, etc.)

@Sarah C #69 and others - I think the Freighties have been to the island before. They sure seemed to know their way around, and that would explain how Faraday knows Juliet when she confronts him in the gas mask.

@Fowleball #76 - Great catch about horseshoes and hand grenades.

@Matt S #82 - Great point, the whole episode would make a lot more sense if the Freighties *were* out to gas the island but changed their plans when Juliet got their masks off.

#134. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 7, 2008 12:36 PM

@jaybee/68
@Berkyo/129

Wow, yeah I forgot all about him as well! I wonder how long it would be possible to hold a grenade like that? You gotta figure there'd be drool dripping all over the place eventually, making it slippery and even more uncomfortable. At some point, I imagine the jaw would start to cramp up too. If Locke left him there for any significant period of time, it would actually be very risky to even go back and try to remove the grenade from his mouth. Very curious to see how this gets resolved.

#135. Posted by: ealgumby at March 7, 2008 12:37 PM

@132/Rudy

The O6 have not been confirmed...that's next week.

#136. Posted by: JT at March 7, 2008 12:39 PM

I agree with everyone who says Locke is stupid and a tool. Is there anyone other than Locke who is gullible enough to believe something said by the man who shot you and left you for dead in a ditch - when was it, just a few days ago in island time? Early on Locke had some nice qualities but now he seems beyond redemption. He is mean and a coward too. Plus he is sooooo easily conned, and Ben the master conman knows this weakness and is playing John like the proverbial violin.

As for weakness I like the comments that we finally learned about Ben's big weakness (Juliet who could remind him of Annie or his mother). Interesting that in spite of all his yet unexplained superhuman powers, what Ben really wants is the love of one good (blonde) woman. I wonder who among the losties or boaties is smart enough to use this info to get try to get to Ben. Not likely they will be successful.

@107-PiecesofArzt "It can't be Penny. She's been calling the ship (per Minkowski) and Desmond called her from the ship." But all she had to do was activate the call forward feature on her London phone. Thus all her incoming calls (including the big I Love You call from Des) are forwarded to her cell phone - in her pocket on the ship. I really don't like to think she could be in cahoots with Daddy, but on Lost anything is possible and anyone can be lying. We like to think that Minkowski and Penny are credible and sincere but we have no reason to believe them.

#137. Posted by: leegull at March 7, 2008 12:43 PM

Best line - Did this rabbit have a number on it?!

Best line on this blog - I doubt he knew Ana would turn Goodwin's torso into a Capri Sun packet! ROFLMAO!

I was wondering myself if Harper appearance to Juliet was "Live or it Memorex?"

And what's with Jack kissing Juliet after he recently declared his love for Kate?

Simple sequence of alphanumeric changes the combination to J-O-B.

And does anyone question how Faraday/Jack Nicholson wannabe can type so fast with his Springville Nuclear Plant Issue gloves on? That's the Lost mystery of the hour!

#138. Posted by: Connie at March 7, 2008 12:49 PM

Short memory? When Des calls, Penny is spending a comfy evening with her Christmas tree!

#139. Posted by: JT at March 7, 2008 12:53 PM

First time poster, been lurking for a few weeks. Couldn’t hold back any longer, big torrent gushing out! I love everyone’s posts—I get so much insight.

Mac, GRAA & I was LMAO at your comments:

“Ben's eyes bulge like they've never bulged before.”

“…and he's pulled every string he's got to get her the best Other condo and the best Other linens and the best Other baked hams so that she'll reciprocate his creepy bug love.”
“Ben = World's Most Determined Stalker.”

“…because Ben will ultimately get his revenge by summoning the sneering ghost of Ana-Lucia so she can shish-kabob Jack's heart with a Dharma meat thermometer.”

OMG, you’re killin’ me.

@ fowleball:
Brilliant for getting the horseshoes/grenade connection!

@Glen:
I agree about Michael: he’s NOT qualified to crew on a freighter. Hmmm…Starving artist…no Navy flashbacks ala sexy (rowr!) Des…. I SOOOOO hope it’s not Michael on das Boot. For one, he’s a bad actor – he’s not just a facial emoter ala Jules, he’s more like a screaming emoter

OF COURSE it’s been Widmore behind the freighter! How else would Penny have the ship’s phone number? Who else could afford the operation? Who else would have the Des pic? And he’s got the BlackLog, peeps!

Def in the Charlotte and Hope hater club! I soooo hope Smokey plays some tree pong with them bitches! On the fence about Jules. Don’t like her “homewrecking tendencies,” (not just Hope, but also Kate/Jack!), but I like that she’s smart and sneaky and ruthless yet STILL dependent on Ben for some strange reason.

Is it just me? Totally got the creeping scud when Jack kissed Juliette. Ugh. And if he prefers J over K, then why is he so puppydog-eyed for K in the flash forwards?

Though I love the evil BenBug, Locke really needs to cap his ass. Ben has his number. One minute Locke’s a total stud, throwing knives, forcing Miles to chew grenade, scampering around while shot through his kidneyless torso, the next he’s having hissy fits over some minor provocation by Ben and succumbing to obvious manipulation. Ben always has multiple aces up his sleeve! I think we all agree on how colossally stupid it is to let Ben push your buttons, let alone let him have any semblance of freedom…

Anyways, mucho thanks, mac, and posting gods!

#140. Posted by: freckles at March 7, 2008 12:58 PM

@138/Connie And does anyone question how Faraday/Jack Nicholson wannabe can type so fast with his Springville Nuclear Plant Issue gloves on? That's the Lost mystery of the hour!

Well, we have not seen that backstory yet. And that's where the sci-fi connections help. It seem that in one of Faraday's (not yet exposed) time travels, he meets up with LCDR Data who teaches Dan how to type at hyperspeed!

#141. Posted by: JT at March 7, 2008 1:01 PM

-135 ealgumby et al re: Miles and the grenade. When Claire was asking Locke if she could talk to Miles, didn't Locke say that he's been taking food to Miles?

I'm still on the fence about Locke. He just may be smarter than we think, playing the fool the way Ben (Henry Gale) did.

WGNABB just to hold all the people speculated to be Ben's man on the boat!

#142. Posted by: lovelost at March 7, 2008 1:02 PM

When did the purge of Drama happen? Did it happen before or after Danielle Rousseau came to the island? I believe it happen before because she would have died when the gas was released. The way Dan and Charlotte made it seem if the gas was released it would kill everyone on the island.

#143. Posted by: micHael at March 7, 2008 1:07 PM

Wow--what an ep!
Seems like we're infally getting more answers than questions in this one.

Good to have the whispers back and mention of the lists. Indications that these things have not been forgotten and will be explained eventually.

Not surprised Widmore is behind freighter. Ben doesn't know how Widmore knows about the Island. I'm thinking Widmore was part of Dharma at some point which is how he learned there was an island and that Hanso had the log book that would give him more info.
My only question about Widmore is why he is doing his own dirty work in the video? Doubt it was 95 Des he was beating up. Didn't look like him to me.

I felt a little ashamed letting myself get snookered by the Juliet scene in the beginning. My brain started protesting that she wouldn't be one of the OCEANIC 6 since she wasn't on the plane then they went and said "fooled you sucka! Juliet's flashing back not forward!"

I'm thinking capri Sun was mac's best line yet. Unbelievable how he does it every week!

I don't think man on the boat would be Michael. Love the suggestion that it's Walt. Locke had some relationship with him and saw the tall ghost walt by the mass grave. It would make sense that Lock might have to sit down to hear news of a fully grown Walt on the freighter.
Also toyed with the idea of Sayid from the future since we already know he ends up working for Ben, but someone had to go and steal that theory before I could post it.
I'm thinking the fact that Locke would have to sit down means that its someone Locke is very familiar with and that that person was previously thought to be dead. Someone mentioned Boone. that could be interesting. I'm thinking something even more flooring like --
Locke's father!

The idea of Ben himself being da man on da boat is also fun. It would explain how he could communicate with the others while locked in Locke's basement.

Again Locke killing things and bloodying his hands. At least he wasn't choking the chicken this time! BunnyLover--condolences on yet another sacrificed rabbit on this show!

Glad we're back to theorizing about th relationships of good to bad guys, how all the characters are connected, etc...
The science stuff is interesting as to where the island is and why its hard to be found. Ultimately I feel like that aspect of things is mostly a MacGuffin. Pretty meaningless and only there to bring all these diverse characters together in an interesting way. I'm thinking the way Ben relates to Widmore and how Widmore found out about the island and what the group on the plane have to do with everything will in the end be far more important than the details of where the island is and why its difficult to get there. The fact that its a place that's hard to find is the only important part of that to me.

That's all for now. Sorry for the long post but after reading all these posts I just get so many thoughts and things I want to comment on! Can't think of any other show that makes me keep guessing like this.

#144. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 7, 2008 1:12 PM

@139. Thanks for the reminder JT! Totally forgot Penny standing in front of the Christmas tree in her flat last week. I'm glad we can count her as being one of the good guys/gals.

#145. Posted by: leegull at March 7, 2008 1:13 PM

@Scooby Dude: “Also, Daddy Widmore's the bad guy only if you believe Ben is the good guy.”

Lost never just has bad guys and good guys. Everyone’s questionable!

@aj: “…others are send to the temple, some underground facility where they can bunker down while gas wears off…Kelvin was shown using a gas mask and suit, may be still weary of the first gas attack!”

Great idea! I seem to recall Desmond in the second season running around in a suit with a mask, too.

p.s. check out the Sawyer nickname engine on the ABC site!

#146. Posted by: freckles at March 7, 2008 1:16 PM

Oh what did my poor Ethan do???? Maybe fixing Juliette's pipes was a bad move.

I got the impression that Jack was playing Juliet a little bit. He just professed his love for Kate (which I still don't get) and then kisses J like that? He's either a creep or a player. He's trying to keep her on his side.

Something about the Widmore reveal struck me a little hokey. They're showing him beating up an Other so it couldn't have been Des, right?

I'm in the Annie dies giving birth camp. For some reason Ben feels entitled to have Alex and Juliet. Was he made a deal that fell through? I just don't get Ben being the sappy in-love type. He's too methodical. But then again, Goodwin isn't looking too healthy right now...

Poor Locke....I want him to snap out of it SO badly... Be-och indeed!

#147. Posted by: EthansGirl at March 7, 2008 1:19 PM

Also...what is the significance of all of the intertwined back stories? There were so many theories back in Seasons 1 & 2 as to what brought the LOSTies to the island due to their connectedness, but now I feel that the connections are losing significance with what we've recently learned.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

#148. Posted by: Hurley Is Hot at March 7, 2008 1:19 PM

@Rudy:
I agree about the mom thing. Harper, being a therapist, would think the Juliette looked like Ben's mom!

#149. Posted by: freckles at March 7, 2008 1:23 PM

Is it just me or does everyone kiss Mac's A__ all the time? Don't get me wrong this is a fantastic blog but its like everyone is constantly complimenting all the "funny" lines and wit and cleverness and all that stuff... I haven't laughed or even thought to laugh that much when reading this blog for the past couple of years.

#150. Posted by: boozy at March 7, 2008 1:30 PM

Maybe Ben & Others dug up Nikki & Paulo and one of them is the "man on the boat". Still, would like it to be Michael.

Mac, the Capri Sun visual was perfect!

I like that the whispers came back. Still no tree-sucking though.

The alarm in the "Tempest" reminded me of the good ol' days with the numbers needing to be entered. Apparently there's only one Dharma alarm sound.

I think Sawyer will lead the revolution against Locke.

Great review Mac! Thanks.

#151. Posted by: chappy at March 7, 2008 1:34 PM

@boozy:

Relax a little. It sounds like your life is miserable.

#152. Posted by: Hurley Is Hot at March 7, 2008 1:34 PM

Oh Boozy, you've just opened a can of Dharma worms...

#153. Posted by: AC at March 7, 2008 1:36 PM

Somebody help me out here cuz I'm not really getting the whole "Ben is bad so Widmore must be good" argument (or vice versa).

Who's to say they aren't both a coupla evil egomaniacal SOB's? Maybe Widmore's got his skivvies in a bunch cuz Ben beat him there first. And Ben's just doing whatever he has to to keep what he feels is his? IOW this whole thing is just two whack-jobs playing King S**t of Turd Mountain.

#154. Posted by: Randy at March 7, 2008 1:39 PM

Just to touch on what everyone is saying about Locke...he gets played from every direction, this poor guy. Alpert gave him the same exact looking file on Ben. Everyone has the alterior motives when it comes to Locke. I think both folders are full of lies.

I think it's interesting that "the list" is brought up again, albeit in flashbacks, in regard to the kids on the plane being safe and in general. We were all so interested in "the list" during season two, but we were led to believe that the list was the one for the survivors that were taken to the dock. Maybe there is more to the original "list" to go back to????

#155. Posted by: Vikki at March 7, 2008 1:39 PM

The last view of Jack kissing Juliette was from the entrance just inside the Tempest. I bet this is a camera view and that at some point Ben sees the footage and blows his gasket!

@boozy
have a few more, it might resurrect your sense of humor....

#156. Posted by: freckles at March 7, 2008 1:41 PM

Was anyone else creeped out while Ben was cutting the ham?! The juicy noises made my skin crawl!!

#157. Posted by: AC at March 7, 2008 1:42 PM

@131

Yeah, but if Charlotte's job was to get Ben, (she knew where he was, and had the gas mask protection in case Ben went Jimmy Jones during capture), the Tempest detour makes no sense.

#158. Posted by: welh at March 7, 2008 1:42 PM

@boozy #150 & 151:

I don't think it's kissing a** when you compliment someone on the hard work they do regarding something they are passionate about. Pointing out our favorite 'macisms' is just another form of compliment. The man can deliver some funny material without being rude, vulgar, or crass, and that's not an easy thing to do nowadays.

Boozy - don't hate the playa' - hate the game.

#159. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 1:42 PM

Juliette walks into the clearing of the whispering woods & POOF, there’s Harper Smackass! Suddenly I thought of an old Star Trek epi where 3 aliens try to take over the Enterprise and Kirk & crew are helpless to stop them b/c the aliens are moving so fast (relative to everyone else) that they’re invisible! And didn’t Harper stand perfectly still (thus making herself visible) while talking to Jules & Jack? Is this something that they can do at will or is there something at the Temple that enables them to do this? Just a thought
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GRAAA Mac
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Juliette is HOT! Even when she's wearing underwear that looks like it was salvaged from the Blackrock wreckage.

#160. Posted by: cookie at March 7, 2008 1:46 PM

@147
"Something about the Widmore reveal struck me a little hokey. They're showing him beating up an Other so it couldn't have been Des, right?"

I think it is 1996 Desmond.
Technically, Desmond is an Other because he was manning the Hatch prior to the 815 crash. Ben would have known about him from security cameras in the Hatch. One could assume Ben's Widmore information came from Desmond, probably from a sneaky deal to get off the island.

#161. Posted by: welh at March 7, 2008 1:56 PM

@121 Welh:


>You don't need gas masks to disarm a station; you wear them if you are intent on releasing the gas.

Or if the gas is booby-trapped.

Of course the major question is, was disarming the gas/doomsday device their main end, or just a means to get to whatever it might be protecting?

#162. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 2:04 PM

Boozy gets snarky
He doesn't find Mac funny
Ev'ryone else does.

#163. Posted by: Randy at March 7, 2008 2:09 PM

what the chuck happened to that dude with the grenade in his mouth???? Is the poor bastard still biting on to it? God Locke is the biggest tool there is.....

#164. Posted by: mapache at March 7, 2008 2:09 PM

@Hurley Is Hot/85 - "Love" is thrown around a bit carelessly, IMNSHO. It's lust, with some like. In my younger single days, we used to joke about being in like with someone. Everyone on that island is in a precarious situation - trapped away from home (even if they hate/fear home), cut off from everyone & everything they ever knew, uncomfortable living conditions, complete uncertainty about the next hour, let alone future months & years. I think it's perfectly normal for people to pair off for a little body heat & affection.

@boozy/150, 151 - I laugh mightily at people who don't have the patience to wait for their comments to finish posting, so they post multiple times.

#165. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 2:24 PM

@131 Mister_Grimm:

>I think the point of the Tempest in the story was two-fold.

>1st it showed how Ben was able to gas everyone involved in the Dharma Initiative back in the ep "The Man Behind the Curtain". I'd always wondered how the barracks were gassed but there were no canisters lying around in evidence.

The supposed capabilities of gas in this series are well outside the real capabilties of any war gas in the present day. War gasses have to be heavier than air - otherwise they just float right up.

Most will seek the lowest point and pool there. Maintaining a lethal concentration is usually possible only in localized areas and for a few minutes to hours, depending on wind conditions.

Saturating an area the size of, and with the varied terrain and elevation of this island is not possible with any current technology. Flooding a plant, especially an enclosed place, like, say, the Tempest is certainly achievable.

Gas makes sense only in a localized event, nothing like "kille everyone on the island". Which, by the way, both sides are accusing the other of wanting to do.

I notice Jack is beginning to have second thoughts about the side he's chosen.

#166. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 2:29 PM

what the chuck happened to that dude with the grenade in his mouth???? Is the poor bastard still biting on to it? God Locke is the biggest tool there is.....
→ 165. Posted by: mapache at March 7, 2008 02:09 PM

A dummy grenade???? Someone suggested this last week. Definitely feasible!

#167. Posted by: Nuts at March 7, 2008 2:30 PM

I have to admit, I'm looking for the revelation of the freighter captain to be a legitimate ba*l buster. Not Michael, but a "presumed" deceased cast member. The shock (once revealed) to Locke will be short lived since he is one of the few who is truly privy to the mysticism of the island (his own miracle, contact with Jacob, Walt, etc).

It'll be a disappointment to have Michaels over the top Dave Chappell screaming persona back.

Like the thought of a previous mention of Eko coming back though. He certainly has the chops to keep the freighter's unruly crew in line and with his past drug running history, he's knows a thing or two about running covert operations (although a stretch to see a connection between him and Widmore). You'd think it wouldn't be Sayid since he was the beneficiary of being released from the freighters infermary by "Ben's man".

Great Blog Mac.

#168. Posted by: dharma boy at March 7, 2008 2:44 PM

Some questions from this episode that haven't been asked yet:

Did Goodwin say he brought the wine from the sub or did I hear that wrong?

After Juliet admitted she had feelings for Jack, did he say, "You know where to find me"?

If she was already suspicious of them, why did Kate turn her back on Charlotte when she was looking inside Faraday's bag?

Why did Juliet sleep with Goodwin when she could have slept with Ben?

Now that Locke finally got some info from Ben (tho definitely not his last bargaining chip), will he blow up the safe?

Did Desmond forward-flash himself into next season?

When Hurley and Sawyer were playing horseshoes, were the horseshoes from Kate's horse? And why are there no ping-pong tables in Benslyvania?

When Ben said "You're mine" to Juliet, full bug-eyes ablazing, did anyone else feel a cold chill up their spine?

Any chance the freighter is another Dharma station? OK, probably not.

@Randy #155 - You're right that Ben and Widmore could both be lunatics. I was simplifying when I said if Ben is bad then Widmore is good and vice versa because we now know it's Widmore's freighter and Ben said the Freighties were his enemies. Thus if Ben is good, Widmore is bad. But we really don't know who's on whose side and even how many sides there are.

Finally, Trivia of the Week from Wikipedia: "Cindy was originally set to die in the pilot episode, however the producers enjoyed [Kimberly] Joseph's portrayal and decided to bring back Cindy in the second and third seasons." Also there are some crazy fans obsessed with her scarf...

#169. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 7, 2008 2:50 PM

@Cecil Rose #166:

It's possible to gas an area of a few square kilometers - especially with something say like Sarin Gas. But let's assume that the gas would dissipate over a wide area and be ineffective. The gas is most likely piped to populated areas of the island. I wouldn't expect a cloud that starts at the Tempest and slowly spreads over the entire island. I would think that the houses in the barracks are linked via vents and pipes to the gas holding tanks as well as other structures. That would also explain why Ben had to use an actual canister with his father, they weren't in one of the populated areas for his father to be affected so he had to do it himself.

#170. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 2:51 PM

I stumbled across this site and I'm loving every minute of it!
Some food for thought: When Michael and Walt left on the raft, they were given specific coordinates from Ben. (Anyone remember what they were? Not that it matters) What if Ben knows the ins and outs of time delays around the island and has Michael and Walt drifting aimlessly for, let's say years? They're finally 'rescued' by this freighter and become accidental crew members.
The surprise than would not be that Michael is Ben's man on the boat. But an older, wiser Michael who's son has fled back to the island.
I'll choose to omit the intricacies of how this works out logically but there's one thing that kills the whole, "Michael is the man on the boat".>>>

Naomi was on this freighter, and if Michael was on this same freighter, wouldn't she have been privy to the fact that Michael was on Oceanic 815? Thus nullifying her reaction of astonishment and anyone else who answered that satellite phone about the survivors on the island???

#171. Posted by: Riddlemethis at March 7, 2008 2:51 PM

→ 92. Posted by: Cecil Rose
Speaking of Ethan, I wonder has William 'Ethan Rom' Mapother set a television record for "Most Appearances by a Deceased Character"?
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Maybe if he was in this episode, he'd have set a record. But since he wasn't...???

#172. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 2:52 PM

@168

I'm confused too. Am I missing something?

In Mac's blog, he wrote: "Of course, if Ben's man on the boat is who we all think it is, it's possible Locke suffered a massive coronary and Ben simply waltzed out the front door. "

Who do you think it is Mac? I can't think of anyone outside of Locke's father that would shock him so much he'd have to sit down for it.

I don't see Micheal as being shocking, he was sent off the island alive and could've easily been rescued by the freighter somewhere in the ocean.

I don't see Walt as being a big surprise as Locke has seen him recently.

I could see Mikhail being a shock since Locke thought he killed him when he pushed him into the sonic fence. But how would Mikhail get off the island to the freighter.

I could see Naomi being a shock as Locke thinks he killed her too but I think she was still on the island when Ben first said he had someone "on" the boat.

Wouldn't have to be someone from Locke's past or someone that got off the island before Locke blew up the submarine (if it was actually destroyed)?

I'm Lost. I hope they don't drag out the revelation to next season.

#173. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 2:53 PM

Personally, I am keeping an eye out for Mikhail to return as the resident deadie.

#174. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 2:56 PM

@riddlemethis #171:

I have theroy on how Michael could be Ben's man on the boat and still not be known as an Oceanic survivor, however, to reveal the information that helped in forming my theory would constitute one of the biggest spoilers ever posted here.

If you'd still like to know post your email and I'll send you what I know.

#175. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 2:57 PM

@IdMonster: My guess is that Michael is the man on the boat (and like everyone else, I'm kinda sorta hoping it's another character ... but I doubt it).

I do think Locke would be reasonably surprised by Michael's reappearance, especially since he was so adamant about leaving the island in the first place (remember, he killed two tailies and worked a secret deal with Ben to make it happen). Given what Michael's done, his return qualifies as a surprise in my book.

Or maybe the man on the boat is Vincent ... that'd be pretty surprising too ;)

#176. Posted by: mac at March 7, 2008 3:03 PM

Sorry - i meant to write "I have a theory . . . "

#177. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 3:03 PM

@175 Mister_Grimm

Yeah, send me your theory, the suspense is killing me:) gkkyah@yahoo.com

But I can't fathom why Michael would be such a shock to Locke that he'd have to sit down for it.

And how would Ben and Michael have been in communication this entire time?

Although, maybe working for Ben was one of the conditions of setting Michael free that we didn't know about?

#178. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 3:04 PM

Whatever happened to the "Don't tell me what I can't do!" John Locke?

What ever happened to Jin's Dad? How does he fit in with this?

Whatever happened to Holly Marshal? I keep hoping she'll turn up on the island. (Sure it's a different show but I've always been worried about her. [8^)

(Ok, Mister_Grimm, I'll bite: writeme(a)gmail.com)

#179. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 3:11 PM

@176 mac

I guess what you just wrote is a little more convincing. But I hope you're wrong:)

I like the Vincent option better. Maybe Ben implanted him with some Dharma advanced intelligence computer chip:) He could certainly get around under the radar and chew through all of the cables in the communications room.

#180. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 3:11 PM

@bcre8ve,alex,ealgumby : lol at the anagrams.

A few more Harper Stanhope Anagrams

(reply to bcre8ve's "Preheat Orphans" )
Spare The Orphan

(After seeing IMDB pics of Andrea Roth)
Has Her Porn Tape?

(A clue to the Island's location)
Perhaps On Earth?

(To mac's suggestion that her bitch streak stems from her horrendous soap opera name, I say it actually stems from this anagram)
Perhaps No Heart


#181. Posted by: vacc at March 7, 2008 3:13 PM

I agree with Mac - it must be Vincent :-)

#182. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 3:14 PM

@Mister_Grimm

Oops! Wrong email. Should have been:

writeme(at)bcre8ve.com

#183. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 3:15 PM

The only way Locke would release Ben from captivity is if the person on the boat was someone Locke truly trusted. At this point, Locke trusts no one. So my guess is that "insider" of the boat is . . .

pre-flight, wheelchair bound Locke.

#184. Posted by: welh at March 7, 2008 3:22 PM

What if the man on the boat is Charlie? He's the only "dead" one so far whose body didn't receive a proper burial....that would shock Locke, I think...I have nothing else to go on as far as theory behind this one. Just trying to figure out who would be most shocking...

There's lots of parallels between this episode and the Bard's The Tempest...You know, that play about a magical island with a "man-behind-the-curtain-like" king who uses his magical powers to make spirits do his musings...like create mythical visions and voices appear out of no where...This king also resists the idea of his beautiful daughter falling in love with the play's fine young prince...

#185. Posted by: Vikki at March 7, 2008 3:23 PM

didn't read it here before but i think Desmond is Ben's man on the boat.
wouldn't take him lots of trouble traveling through time. and it would be shocking to Locke.

#186. Posted by: Steve U. at March 7, 2008 3:25 PM

I venture to guess that Micheal is too obvious to be Ben man on the boat. The writers like to confuse us by building up certain obvious plots lines. I have a gut feeling the man on the boat is Said. "You cannot change the future." -Faraday

#187. Posted by: TrueRuan at March 7, 2008 3:33 PM

----Possible Spoiler Alert--------
(but more of just a theory)

The Man on the Boat is Ben. (someone up in the posts may have mentioned something about this already, but...) We all expect it to be Michael, and that is just too easy of a way out for the story arc as well as a being a bit of a let down in general and I'm really hoping the writers don't resort to that... So...

Based on the Orchid Video, Ben did a little magic rabbit act to himself **a-la-peanutbutter-and-jelly-sandwiches - *Poof!*** there are now two Bens!!! Explains how he knows so much from different view points, is in two places at once, etc...

---- I realize my theory is way out there, but then again, what theory on here isn't?!?!!

#188. Posted by: StenzTV at March 7, 2008 3:38 PM

@172 DocH:

>>Speaking of Ethan, I wonder has William 'Ethan Rom' Mapother set a television record for "Most Appearances by a Deceased Character"?
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>Maybe if he was in this episode, he'd have set a record. But since he wasn't...???

Don't have my DVD here to review, but wanna' look again at Juliet's flashback to the time the plane broke apart overhead?

#189. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2008 3:41 PM

Mr_Grimm: I'm game to hear what you know as well--vonvaulkner@yahoo.com

166--Cecil Rose "not possible with current technology" The deadly gas on the show is of course the only thing on the show which isn't possible with current technology :)

169--Scooby Dude wondering why juliet would sleep with Goodwin rather than Ben. Kidding right? I'm thinking she was dreeped out by the bug-eyed little stalker. Feeling a little Jodie Foster to his John Hinckley.

171--Riddlemethis--interestingly enough the freighties weren't astonished at all to find 815 survivors on the island. They downright expected them to be there. That would give credence to me of the possibility that Michael is the man on the boat although I'm not one of those who favor that theory.

#190. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 7, 2008 3:42 PM

I'm also leaning towards the theory that Ben's man on the boat is Ben himself. I think it'd be much more interesting, much much much more of a shock, and can be explained through the time-travel crap from last week. (If this turns out to be true, I promise I'll stop hating on the time-travel revelation)

#191. Posted by: Hurley Is Hot at March 7, 2008 3:42 PM

167--Nuts

Yes it is a dummy grenade--a grenade from that dummy named Locke!

#192. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 7, 2008 3:45 PM

-163 Randy and -165 Hurling
I hope that puts boozy to rest. Literally. There's always a simple solution: if you don't like it, don't read it.

-179 bcr8ve: I thought the same, except about Sun's dad (you said Jin, maybe you meant Sun - or both). Sun's dad had power and money. Maybe he also had biz w/Widmore?

Vincent gets my vote for MOTB (man on the boat).

Mac gets my vote for KOTB (king of the blogs).

Where the heck is ilovebenjaminlinusxx today? Still sulking over the Juliette thing?

One overriding thought keeps creeping in: how was it that these particular people all got on the same plane? Was the Island calling them? Was it Ben? Certainly not coincidence because “In the magical universe, there are no coincidences and there are no accidents. Nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen.” William S. Burroughs.

#193. Posted by: lovelost at March 7, 2008 3:46 PM

Thanks Mr. Grimm.
I'm always open to listening to new and innovative theories on my favorite mind numbing subject: LOST...

I can be reached: deesato@yahoo.com.

>>> One more thing, I know there's a skewed line between who's considered good and bad. I don't think Ben could ever be considered to be a 'good' person. He killed his father and the surrogate family he grew up with and he also performs "Clockwork Orange" type brain washings in his spare time. This is not a person I'd consider to ever be 'good'.

#194. Posted by: riddlemethis at March 7, 2008 3:46 PM

BEN WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT TO ME!!!

sorry... i wasn't at home the first half of the day... i'll be back later.

I STILL NEED JoePike and Mac's opinions on my love for them!!! haha.

Ok... LATERRRR

#195. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 7, 2008 3:48 PM

→ 109. Posted by: GFish at March 7, 2008 11:34 AM

My other thought is future Sayid is Ben's man on the boat. That would make you sit down! We know Sayid is already on the boat, and we know that future sayid works for Ben, and we know time travelling consciousness is possible, so illogically I jump to the conclusion that time-travelling Sayid is BMOB

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It surely would be interesting if BMOB turns out to be future-someone (especially a future-Lostie). Sayid would certainly be plausible in this instance given that we know Future Sayid is working for Ben. In the sick bay as they are tending to Minkowski, the door is suddenly open for them...was Sayid not the last person manning the door?

In last night's epi "The Other Woman" we see one of those familiar scenes with added content and a different perspective: the scene is the shot of 815 breaking apart mid-air, as seen from the grassy knoll in Otherton/Benslyvania. But in this scene we see the extended interaction between Juliet, Harper, Ben and Goodwin. Personally, I love when the writers do this and repeat the scene with the viewer now knowing at least part of the backstories. Imagine for a second that it is FS (Future Sayid) on the boat and they start replaying familiar scenes with additional backstories of Sayid taking orders from ben, etc...going back through the seasons. The possibilities are endless.

#196. Posted by: My Hanso Clean at March 7, 2008 3:51 PM

re all comments about Ben's "man" on the boat -

There are two things we know about this person: (1) it will surprise Locke to find out, and (2) he's happy with whatever name Ben gave him

The first fact indicates it must be someone Locke knows, and also someone Locke would not expect to be on the boat. Locke would not expect someone who's either dead, or one of the current Losties, if you want to go down one of those more mystical paths (and why not, given all the other stuff going on). There's another option that doesn't require the esoteric though ... it could be someone Locke knows from before the island, which would surely be surprising.

The only pre-boat person we know of, that Locke would jump out of his skin to see again, is Helen. If Ben somehow proved to Locke that his "man" on the boat is Helen, why then it's no wonder Ben has been set free by Locke at the end of the ep.

#197. Posted by: ealgumby at March 7, 2008 3:51 PM

Thoughts on the Man on the Boat Theories:

Desmond and Sayid - Ben said he had a man on the boat no only before these two even were on the boat, but before they even knew they were going to be on the boat.

Ben - They are looking for Ben, they have a picture of him. They want to kill him. How could he be the man on that boat even if he could be two places at once?

#198. Posted by: petew at March 7, 2008 3:51 PM

oops, meant "the only pre-island person we know of ..."

Anyway, BMOTB = Helen

#199. Posted by: ealgumby at March 7, 2008 3:54 PM

@vacc #83 re: Oceanic 6 odds
Cool, but Desmond and Ben weren't on Oceanic so they'd be out.

@UsetheSchwartz #125 and all:
I have to agree that something happens to Claire before the Oceanic 6 get off the island; otherwise, why would Kate be raising Aaron in the real world. And we don't really know why the physic back in Australia (remember back then?)said that it would be VERY bad for anyone but Claire to raise the baby.

As far as who Ben's man on the boat is, I don't think it can be Sayid since he just arrived on the boat current island time. Ben's man would have had to be there awhile to give Ben the intel he has up to this point. Even if Sayid 'time travels' back to his earlier self, he wouldn't have been able to tell Ben anything from before his arrival on the boat.

Anyway, just my thoughts..

#200. Posted by: What happens to Claire? at March 7, 2008 3:56 PM

What if Helen is Ben's man on the boat? That would make Locke need to sit down.

I'm thinking it's not Desmond or else the crew would have recognized him when he arrived on the boat, and said "dude, your twin is over here." With time issues on/off island though, who knows.

It's probably Michael and we'll all be disappointed.

Grenade: I think Locke used a fake grenade to scare Miles. I'm guessing it has been removed by now, I don't think there would be any way Miles could hold it in his mouth for more than a few hours. Somebody had to take him lunch after his morning Cocoa "Bombs."

#201. Posted by: GFish at March 7, 2008 4:06 PM

201. Posted by: GFish "Cocoa bombs" I love it :-)

#202. Posted by: Nuts at March 7, 2008 4:11 PM

I don't understand why so many people claim they would be disappointed if BMOTB turns out to be Michael. Granted we figured it out - if we're correct - but that doesn't make it less impactful. Hell - we've been speculating about answers to some of the biggest mysteries on the show for the past 3 or 4 years and we've been on the money with our predictions more than once and we've never been disappointed, or at least I haven't.

Even if we're right and Michael is Ben's spy, that's still huge news. And it will probably open the door to more answers about what is going on.

If it is Michael - I won't be disappointed. I'll be elated that the writers and creators of the show are doing what they can to provide answers.

Besides, how justifying would it be to have Michael and Walt esape the island and then we never see or hear from them again? What about the answers we've been wanting regarding the mysteries about Walt? Best way to answer them is to bring Michael and Walt back.

#203. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 7, 2008 4:17 PM

I don't mind at all if Michael and Walt come back. In fact I'd love to see them return so we can find out more about Taller Ghost Walt. I just find it hard to believe that Michael establishes a trust with the freighties and becomes Ben's spy within 20-30 days of leaving. How has he collected information and sent(?) it to Ben in that short of a period?

Now, knowing that TGW has super powers to project himself in other places, I could see TGW being the spy for Ben. This could cause Locke to sit down because TGW told Locke what to do, and it was really Ben telling TGW to tell Locke what to do! Locke sits down and craps his pants because the guy that just shot him is also the guy that just saved him. Hmm, I'm starting to like that theory...

I was going to question why none of the crew members would say anything about 815 survivors Michael & Walt being on the boat when Frank tells them that Sayid is an 815 survivor, but then I remembered it's LOST and nobody tells anybody anything about what's going on. (But I love it because it keeps the story and twists going.)

#204. Posted by: GFish at March 7, 2008 4:27 PM

@190/Crispy Seaplanes "Feeling a little Jodie Foster to his John Hinckley."

Is that what they're calling it now days? [;^)

#205. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 4:28 PM

@190 Crispy Seaplanes - Yeah kidding, just a shout out to all the Benophiles.

@lovelost #193 – I always wondered if Dharma was in cahoots with Oceanic Airlines and used their super manipulating skills to get everyone on the same flight. But that's pretty far-fetched, as far-fetched as Ben being his own man on the boat (unless he's as fast as Bugs Bunny...speaking of which, did Ben ever eat that hassenpfeffer?)

I vote Michael or Walt -– either one would be a surprise as far as Locke is concerned. But he has a special bond with Walt so I vote Walt.

#206. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 7, 2008 4:33 PM

193/lovelost "179 bcr8ve: I thought the same, except about Sun's dad (you said Jin, maybe you meant Sun - or both). Sun's dad had power and money. Maybe he also had biz w/Widmore?"

Yes, Sun's Father, Mr. Paik is the person to whom I was referring.

According to an overheard conversation in "D.O.C." as well as information from The Lost Experience, Mr. Paik and Paik Heavy Industries have significant business dealings with the Hanso Foundation and the Widmore Corporation. (Lostpedia)

It will be interesting to see how he fits into all of this.

#207. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 4:33 PM

re→189. by:Cecil Rose - Don't have my DVD here to review, but wanna' look again at Juliet's flashback to the time the plane broke apart overhead?

I checked before I said Ethan was not in this episode. They use alot of original footage from the master shot from S3, introduce fresh Harper, Juliet, Ben and Goodwin closeups, but omit all visual reference to Ethan. When Ben gives Ethan his marching orders he "talked to Ethan" as if he were just off camera to the side, with editing quickly cutting to each of the closeups, minus Ethan.

re→181. by:vacc
lol at this anagram.
HARPER STANHOPE ->
A HE~SHE PORN TRAP

(That would explain why Goodwin was "sleeping on the couch" for the past six months and needed some Juliet attention - Ben set-up Goodwin - so he could extort his loyalty.)

#208. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 4:34 PM

Ok, I guess I won't get any work done today.

Another nagging question: why would Ben tape over the Sox game? Is there only one VCR tape in the whole barracks?

More of the writers' vast knowledge (homework?) and referencing:

-Ben plays "M. Butterfly" for Juliette. MB waits for her husband's boat to return. It doesn't.

-Shakespeare's "The Tempest": The sorcerer and his daughter are stranded on an island. The sorcerer raises a storm to cause an enemy ship to run aground, eventually using his wiles and magic to be freed.

-Karen Harper's "Empty Cradle" was about a Dr Stanhope stealing embryos for experimentation.

I miss Des.

#209. Posted by: lovelost at March 7, 2008 4:35 PM

@203 Mister_Grimm

I guess Michael just wasn't a very likely character. But I suppose you're right as usual. Maybe him redeeming himself will bring everyone back around. Lost has never disappointed me so far so I'm sure it'll be good no matter who it is. I've always expected to see Michael and Walt again anyway so this is as good a time as any.

They have work to do...

#210. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 4:36 PM

@210 Whoops, typo, I meant "likeable character", not "likely".

#211. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 4:40 PM

What an episode! Everyone seems to be running around doing different things and it's very confusing. When Jack and Julie found Kate in the bushes after getting clocked by Charlotte, I was like, "What is SHE doing there??"
I have always thought that Ben and Juliet would've made a cute couple, but I also thought that Jack and Juliet made an even cuter couple. So I stuck by the theory that Ben and Julie were together in the past, but Juliet winds up with Jack in the end. When this episode's flashbacks really started getting in on Ben's love for Juliet, I was as happy as a clam. This was going to be it!
So then I keep watching, and realize how wrong I was.
I think it would've hurt Juliet plenty much to just TELL her that Goodwin had been staked like a vampire. But, no, Ben's much more cruel. He drags her out into the jungle so she can view his dead-for-a-very-long-time body, half decomposed and the color of granite. And then what does he do? He gives a speech about how he only did nice things for her because... wait for it now...
"You're MINE!"
Slick, Ben. Real slick. She's gonna love you now.
Does that not scream 'OMG-crazy-dangerous-serial-killer-in-the-making' to you? If I were Julie, I would've said to hell with Goodwin and would've started running for the hills.
Oh, and the man on the boat is totally going to be Michael. Not good. I hate that guy. At least this time we won't have to hear, "WAAAAAALT!" every three episodes (hopefully).
That ending scene was hilarious. The expression on James' face was priceless. Not only did Hurley just kick his a** at horseshoes, now his buggy bas***d buddy is walking around like the world's his oyster! It was a classic.
Danny really needs to dump his evil b**chy girlfriend. She annoys me. A lot. And her eyes creep me out almost as much as Ben's.
Was anyone else really really irked by that little mole on Harper's face? It looked like it was going to fall off. Rrrr...
Anyway, that's it for now. Great review, as always, to whoever writes these things.

#212. Posted by: Kate at March 7, 2008 4:50 PM

re→193. by:lovelost
-163 Randy and -165 Hurling. I hope that puts boozy to rest. Literally.
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Easy on the 'Boozy' there. We don't do group think around here and we certainly don't badger harsh assessment.
Besides, most of the old-heads around here know that MAC is the top violator of Rule #4... Posting under multiple identities and then having inane conversations with yourself. That's right! Most of the MAC love around here is coming from, you guessed it... MAC.

[:^)

#213. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 4:53 PM

Anyone else notice the gun Juliet whips out when about to kill BlackRockDown is a Luger? Where in the hizzle did that come from? Maybe the Others are Nazi's??? Or this is a WWII reference, meaning we are about to witness WWIII.

#214. Posted by: The Other Other at March 7, 2008 4:56 PM

@Crispy Seaplanes #190

>That would give credence to me of the possibility that Michael is the man on the boat although I'm not one of those who favor that theory.

Or that Widmore is the one who created the fake Oceanic 815 because he didn't want the rest of the world interested in the Flight/Island?

#215. Posted by: What happens to Claire? at March 7, 2008 4:59 PM

Holy Crap....

200+ comments....

Now I know what it feels to be late, and try to play catch-up!

Actually - strike that thought. I have a wedding party to head to tonight, so I will find out tomorrow what it is like to play catch-up, when I have 300+ comments to read through!

Egads!

#216. Posted by: shikotee at March 7, 2008 5:06 PM

re→214. by:The Other Other. Anyone else notice the gun Juliet whips out when about to kill BlackRockDown is a Luger? Where in the hizzle did that come from? Maybe the Others are Nazi's?
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Yes! Thank You. I noticed the Luger but I thought it was such an obscure reference that I hesitated to bring-up. That's not sarcasm either. I tried to think back to other eps, but I couldn't remember if we had seen a Luger (I think... maybe once... somewhere around the radio tower episodes). The Nazi ref is way out in left field though. I have a Japanese Luger identical to the one you saw. Yes WW2! I guess they shared patents. My point is that lugers are spread out all over the Pacific Islands (where I got mine), Asia, Africa, and everywhere the AXIS (Germ/Jap/Itly/+) powers invaded.

#217. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 5:17 PM

@212 Kate: Yes, I too was very distracted and annoyed by the mole on Harper's face, as well as her eyebrows. Very disturbing.

I believe that Wheelchair Locke may be the MOTB. Or maybe it's Aaron. ;-)

#218. Posted by: Kathy at March 7, 2008 5:18 PM

Ok - Couldn't resist - started to read some posts in backwards order.

@212 Posted by: Kate

"Oh, and the man on the boat is totally going to be Michael. Not good. I hate that guy. At least this time we won't have to hear, "WAAAAAALT!" every three episodes (hopefully)."


Lol! I'm watching season 2, and you hit the nail on the head - his character was so super lame, annoying, and pretty unconvincing. I really enjoyed Michael in S1, but S2 Michael is like running nails on a chalkboard.

Here's hoping the writers will give him something better to work with...

#219. Posted by: shikotee at March 7, 2008 5:22 PM

@ bcre8ve - 101

"Thanks to meg and ilovebenjaminlinusandeveryoneelseontheplanetxxx, the writers read mac's blog last week and have responded with, "They want more Ben face time? I'll give 'em more Ben face time!"

I wonder what can we get on next week's show?

→ 101. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 7, 2008 11:03 AM "

...seriously??? how do you know?!?!?

#220. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 7, 2008 5:31 PM

Just so I'm clear on this, Aaron is one of the Oceanic six, right?

During the preview for next week, the announcer said that the "last" of the Oceanic six would be revealed. Granted, this could mean two people, but if it's only one person then that means they're counting Aaron.

#221. Posted by: Lost-Confused at March 7, 2008 5:54 PM

Not only is Michael Ben's man on the boat, but Michael is going to be the Captain!

#222. Posted by: Gail at March 7, 2008 6:12 PM

I don't think Aaron is one of the Oceanic Six.

We have Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid.

When they say the "last" of the six are revealed, that "last" can refer to plural.

I don't think the six would include someone who was not born when the plane crashed. The testimony said that 8 survived and and 2 died and Kate saved 5 of them. I think we have two more people to identify that were on the flight when it went down . . . Clearly Sun will be one. I would say even money Jin is the other. Either that, or my money is on Michael - if he is "rediscovered" on the freighter he can then be "rescued". But my money is on Jin.

#223. Posted by: RedBee at March 7, 2008 6:24 PM

COME ON, LET'S ADMIT IT!
!!!----!!!----!!!----!!!

If indeed, it is Michael on the boat, we will all be disappointed because we would have expected it... the shocking LOST moments are the ones that sneak up and smack you on the arse! And Michael on the boat is expected, we see it coming, - but we'll live with it, and accept it, and learn to like it if we must!

I really hope it isn't Michael Givememyson... as in MICHAEL "JUST GIVE ME MY SON!"

!!!----!!!----!!!----!!!----!!!----!!!

#224. Posted by: Stenz at March 7, 2008 6:39 PM

OK I may just be taking a wild stab here but.... We know that people on the island that we think are dead, are not always dead. In part of Ben and Locke's conversation Ben says that Goodwin thought they should try to recruit Ana Lucia. Later he tells John to sit down when he is about to reveal who the "man" on the ship is. What if the person on the boat is somehow Ana Lucia?

#225. Posted by: ludicrousenigma at March 7, 2008 6:39 PM

What happened to Faraday's time machine? Did he keep working on it? Did he get investors -- like Widmore? Maybe the time machine was stolen and ended up on the island and that's actually what everyone is looking for. It would explain how people (and animals) appear and disappear at different stages of their lives....Just something to think about.

#226. Posted by: Cissy at March 7, 2008 7:05 PM

I don't think anyone's mentioned this scene in the blog, but I'm gonna mention it now...

Claire stood up to Locke!

Thats worth noting.

...

#227. Posted by: AC at March 7, 2008 7:13 PM

I thought I'd add my own opinion to the gas business in The Tempest - when Juliet was sneaking up on Faraday, it seemed pretty obvious (to me, anyway) that he was frantically trying to disarm the gas-firing mechanism.

When Juliet entered the room the alarms were blaring and the system was warning of an imminent release of the gas and Faraday seemed pretty intent on stopping it. I don't think Juliet's presence altered what he was trying to do.

The reason for wanting the gas made inert is much more cloudy at this point though. Unless the gas has some sort of permanent effect, it doesn't really make sense that the freighter crew would care much for the inhabitants of the island being wiped out (at least, the ones we know about at this point), so either there are some beings on the island that the freighter-folk are interested in, or they fear the gas being deployed against them should they invade the island.

As far as Faraday's "....not sure I can do this......" remark to Charlotte (as has been commented on by others further up the blog) it is just another quote in a very long list that can easily mean two polar opposites - 'can I kill them all?' or 'can I stop the gas and save everybody?'

The other thing that is bugging me a bit is the perceived disappointment should Michael be revealed as Ben's Man On The Boat.

Aside from the fact that pretty much everything and everyone has been mentioned as a possible candidate (and I might as well submit Arzt as my guess now just to round things off), why is it NOT a surprise to see Michael pottering around on a freighter that is seemingly up to no good against an island he desperately wanted to get away from not long ago? I haven't seen a really good reason yet for expecting to see Michael on there and agree with the poster who commented on the excitement of learning how and why he came to be on there - if he really is..........

I also echo the sentiments of the posters who have already pointed out that to a more casual follower (I am certain Lost has plenty of avid viewers who - sadly - do not know of Mac's own little island here on the 'net, nor scour round various websites looking for clues and such), Michael's appearance on said freighter would be a huge shock indeed.

LOL at the "WAAAAALLTTTT!" reference too - great call, OP!

#228. Posted by: tedjack at March 7, 2008 7:25 PM

so uh... WOAH.

Mac... your review just makes my love for you grow more and more.

...I think that's a good thing.

So wait... do the people on the freighter know that the perosn on the boat is Ben's person?

Because if they don't, and Michael did end up being his man on the boat, then wouldn't they know who Michael is from the flight manifest and all? Apparently they studied all the passengers. So then what happened to Walt?

I feel like everything I'm saying here is stupid.

@ ludicrousenigma - 225
Maybe since they knew that Ana Lucia could be an asset to them, they did that cloney thing that they did to the rabbits on her?

I'm not sure if I meant that sarcastically or seriously...

______________________________________

I must point out...
(This is my HATE list)
1. I hate Juliet
2. I hate Kate
3. I hate Charlotte
4. I hate Naomi
5. Jack is annoying

I don't only hate Juliet because of Ben, but because her tone of voice and constant lack of facial expression pisses the hell out of me.

I hate Kate because she thinks she's "all that" when really... she's not.

I hate Charlotte because she's a bad liar... actually, she could pull it off... Faraday ruins it. And she's really annoying.

Once again, it's annoying when Jack breathes. He breathes weird.

now for my LOVE list.
1. I love Benjamin Linus
2. I love Daniel Faraday
3. I love Desmond Hume
4. I love JoePike
5. I love Mac

Those are all self-explanitory.

#1 on my hate list and #1 on my love list are the people I feel most passionately about in the category they fall under.

@ Mac
Best line: "Ben = World's Most Determined Stalker."

...LOVE it.

I still need to read everyone's posts... I only read some here and there.

NAME I still need HELP with my NAME!
Choices:
1. iloveBLJPMacXXX
2. NaomiXXX (but she's on my hate list)
3. CaptainObviousXXX

additional suggestions are accepted.
_______________________________________

So it was awesome when Hurley and Sawyer were playing Horse Shoe or whatever... Someone mentioned in last week's episode that they missed the "lighter" side of the show like when Sawyer and Hurley were playing ping pong and Hurley unexpectingly kicked Sawyer's ass. (Excuse my language)... well there you go! "Feels like homw" and Hurley still kicks Sawyer's ass.

Since next week is obviously about Sun and Jin, you think one of them will be the last?? or BOTH will be the last TWO.

AARON CAN'T BE ONE OF THE SIX!!! But right now... it seems like he is considering the fact that they said we'll find out who #6 is... and in "Eggtown" they said we'd find out who #5 is... GAAHHHHHH HE CAN'T BE ONE OF THE SIX!!!!

I guess JoePike won't be eating his chocolate hat... that would have been a beneficiary loss; while there have been so many detriments for me. Guess that makes this a verbal or implied contract... not really.

I think I'm just confusing myself.

I'll be back with more.

#229. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 7, 2008 7:26 PM

I'm simply too drunk to get through all the posts yet, and I am hoping that my longevity will excuse me here...I couldn't log on today, but I'll catch up tomorrow!

point 1 - I immediately thought of Bunylover when they harmed that rabbit, and I think that was a direct shout-out to mac's blog!!! Yes, bunnylover -you have made an impact on the show

point 2 - I am so creeped out by the whole angle Ben has taken. Knowing him as a stalker changes my feelings about him, not too much though, but there was one point when his fat behid ran over a hill that I thought...nah. Gotta admit though, it was creepy. I don't respect a guy who grovels.

Now for my drunken rewatch. Please ignore any later posts and credit them to the fake "after 8PM meg"

Love ya'll

#230. Posted by: meg...aka...Cindy's scarf at March 7, 2008 8:19 PM

re→229. Posted by: il'jamin'us'o'max (sic?)

About your LISTs. When they said LOST is about lists, I think they meant for the folks on the show. And the whole LOVE/HATE thing?, stop by the office next week and we'll see about getting you a prescription for bipolar mania.

#231. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 8:24 PM

When Ben said that Juliet would only be ther 6 months, it immediately falshed to a scene on the beach were Sun said that Juliet was going to too much trouble bc she would only be there a short time. This shows Juliet, Sun, and maybe the beach people don't all get off

#232. Posted by: meg at March 7, 2008 8:27 PM

and then the scene with Goodwin and Juliet on the beach, where Goodwin asked "What's Ben gonna do?" Then, the flip screen to the plane crash...Ben caused it.

Oh, and the man on the boat is Sayid!!!

#233. Posted by: meg..aka..mif...aka... Ben's meg at March 7, 2008 8:50 PM

@ 200 Posted by: What happens to Claire?

Not only am I curious about why Kate is raising Aaron, but something obviously big must have happened since Jack refuses to see Aaron. Does Jack do something to cause Claire's death and he can't bring himself to see the baby off-island?

#234. Posted by: I Miss Charlie at March 7, 2008 8:54 PM

OK, since we're all agreed that it would be anticlimactic for Michael to actually be Ben's man on the boat, let's try to brainstorm some alternatives. Besides, I don't see Locke needing to "sit down" for a revelation that Michael is working for Ben. So, here's some suitably twisted alternatives:

1. Ben's man is Locke's dad. Yeah, I know, he's supposed to be dead. That's what makes it a perfect cover for him. Who ever suspects a dead guy of being a spy?

2. Ben's man is Walt. A much older Walt. A MUCH much older Walt. Say, 30 or 40 years old. All this mucking about with time travel does tend to age a guy...

3. Ben's man on the boat is... John Locke.

I like that last one best. It probably won't happen, but if it does, remember where you read it.

#235. Posted by: Zeb at March 7, 2008 9:03 PM

@230. Posted by: meg...aka...Cindy's scarf "I'm simply too drunk to get through all the posts yet, "

Aaah, a girl after my own heart...that's priceless. I'm simply too durnk to repsond accorgingly.

:)

#236. Posted by: IdMonster at March 7, 2008 9:15 PM

I am sure somebody has mentioned the camera watching Juliet an Jack....just in case thoug....drunk meg is updating you as I watch...:)

#237. Posted by: mif aka meg at March 7, 2008 9:25 PM

@169/Scooby-Dude

-Some questions from this episode that haven't been asked yet:

-Did Goodwin say he brought the wine from the sub or did I hear that wrong?

You heard correct - from the sub.

-After Juliet admitted she had feelings for Jack, did he say, "You know where to find me"?

Jack said: "He knows where to find me." (Referring to Ben)

-Why did Juliet sleep with Goodwin when she could have slept with Ben?

Juliet thought Ben was repulsive - in a romantic way.


#238. Posted by: JT at March 7, 2008 9:28 PM

@DocH/213 - Actually, I probably wouldn't have said anything if boozy hadn't double-posted. It's hard to have the intended impact when you make stupid mistakes. Same goes for horrendous spelling. I just can't take illiterates seriously, whether it's computer or grammar. I don't care at all if there is someone who doesn't like Mac's writing - because I know Mac is writing specifically to me, and we allow other people to read it because we're so nice. Mac is *mine*
LOL

@megisdrunk/233 - Glad to see you're putting your time to good use. So how is it that you show up drunk, don't read the previous 200 posts, and manage to write something original? Can you teach a class in that?

#239. Posted by: hurling at March 7, 2008 10:20 PM

***** SPOILERS *****

Okay, first, Freckles, Kate and Jack are not a couple, so there is no breaking up that could have been done, (and before anybody says it, I’m not a SKATE fan!) Second, I (unfortunately) read something online that did not conceal who the Oceanic Six were. :( But now that I know, I find it amusing to read everybody’s guesses...a little off. Aaron is NOT one of the Oceanic Six, nor is Ben. As of right now, we know who four of them are.

#240. Posted by: ailsa at March 7, 2008 10:39 PM

Does anyone here read A Song of Ice and Fire series by George R.R. Martin?

Well the scene at the end when Ben is walking around, apparently free, reminded me of a character in that series.

In one scene Tyrion (who is a dwarf and uses his intelligence and cunning to defeat those stronger than him) is captured by an enemy House. So as they're going to their destination he eventually becomes friends with the sell swords and when the guard comes up to meet them he comments to Caitlin that he doesn't see a captive there since Tyrion has a horse and a weapon and isn't tied up.

It just sort of struck me at that moment how very similar, those two characters, Ben and Tyrion are.

I thought Ben with the flowers and the 'surprise Juliet it's a date' scene was really cute...until he got all creepy and possessive. o_o;

And I really doubt Ben is out of trump cards or even plans. Pft silly Locke.

#241. Posted by: Silhouette at March 7, 2008 10:54 PM

>>>I think Dan and Charlotte were only disabling the station. In doing so a countdown started. I don't think Ben's prepared to gas everyone just yet.
→ 9. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at March 7, 2008 12:19 AM

Thanks Alex(NR), that’s definitely more plausible. If we knew how Ben (or Jacob) intends to use the Losties, it would be easier to predict his actions. If Ben’s only motivation was to keep the island a secret, he could have gassed everybody before Naomi made contact with the freighter. So, forgive me for stating the obvious, but he must need them alive or else he’s just following Jacob’s orders (sent back from the future?)

>>>It would make sense that Widmore would want the islands only weapon of mass destruction neutralized. They are just preparing for the invasion. The island must be stabalized before the invasion.
→ 34. Posted by: Glen at March 7, 2008 08:12 AM

I do like this theory to explain why Charlotte and Dan embarked on Mission Impossible at the Tempest and why they weren’t more forthcoming with the Losties.


***************************
>>>there was one point when his fat behid ran over a hill that I thought...nah.
→ 230. Posted by: meg...aka...Cindy's scarf at March 7, 2008 08:19 PM

Dear Drunk Meg: I swear, I thought of you during that scene.


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>>>3. Ben's man on the boat is... John Locke.
I like that last one best. It probably won't happen, but if it does, remember where you read it.
→ 235. Posted by: Zeb at March 7, 2008 09:03 PM

OK, I promise I’ll remember that I read it about 51 posts before yours ;))

>>>So my guess is that "insider" of the boat is . . .
pre-flight, wheelchair bound Locke.
→ 184. Posted by: welh at March 7, 2008 03:22 PM


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LOST VAGUEST ODDS
→ 83. Posted by: vacc at March 7, 2008 10:10 AM

Hey, vacc’s back! Your commentary has been missed. Great post! I'll never make a bet on Lost. Darlton are the masters of the Long Con, and nothing is as it seems. Reminds me of the Chapters from one of my favorite movies, “The Sting”:
Part I: The Set-Up
Part II: The Hook
Part III: The Tale
Part IV: The Sting

I’m so involved in the Tale, I’ll never see the Sting until I’m good and Stung :)))


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[&#&#] is NOT one of the Oceanic Six, nor is [&#&#]. As of right now, we know who four of them are.
→ 240. Posted by: ailsa at March 7, 2008 10:39 PM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Use SPOILER tags, people!!! Posting what’s not going to happen is as much of a spoiler as posting what is going to happen! Some of us are committed to being spoiler-free, and generally everybody here is very conscious of that. Ailsa, this is not personal, so please don’t be offended. If it wasn’t so important to me, I would just let it go, but Lost is (obviously) my favorite show and I’m very careful to remain unspoiled. Thank you all for your consideration.

#242. Posted by: Clementine at March 7, 2008 11:05 PM

I think Sayid is Ben's man on the boat.

#243. Posted by: acejunket at March 7, 2008 11:19 PM

TOW Haiku (4.6 v.1)

Juliet Won't Date,
Ben Is Not The Perfect Mate,
Goodwin Meets His Fate.

#244. Posted by: DocH at March 7, 2008 11:28 PM

Chill Alisa, I'm quite aware that Kate and Jack aren't a real couple. But Juliet's still shooting Kate's game to sh*t. AND, she's still on Ben's team after all this time!

I don't think any of the planies are going to be BMOTB. And (tho it's appealing), Vincent won't be BDOTB. How undercover can this person be if the boaters already know the 815 manifest? WAAAALT!!! MINE!!!!

I think a bigger issue is: what does Ben have in store for everyone? He states himself that he always has a plan, Harpy says, "Ben's exactly where he wants to be," and Juliet also confirms that Ben's waging a war on the boaters (and probably the planies and also the entire world.)

It'll be fascinating to see the Master Plan unfold.

I was recently in Hawaii, and my relatives there all seem to think the series will be over after the end of this season...!!! Say it isn't so!!!

#245. Posted by: freckles at March 7, 2008 11:47 PM

My vote for man on the boat... Christian Shepherd (why not?).

Also I too am not a huge Jack/Kate fan but it did seem odd to me that in the Season 3 Finale Jack tells Kate he loves her which is really only a few days ago in Island time. Then 2 episodes ago we learn that in the future Jack is still in love with Kate yet in this episode he was kissing Juliet.

Does Jack have a secret agenda that we don't know about? It just did not seem to make sense to me.

#246. Posted by: Christine at March 7, 2008 11:57 PM

@Christine: Yes!! I said earlier about Jack:

>> if he prefers J over K, then why is he so puppydog-eyed for K in the flash forwards?<<

Your point about the timing of his "love declarations" is also stellar! I think Jack is being manipulative.

#247. Posted by: freckles at March 8, 2008 12:09 AM

How come GoodWin did not get the Other funneral we saw when Jack got dragged down to the beach with the wierd white shirts???

Great Review Mac Thanks

#248. Posted by: Dakota at March 8, 2008 12:34 AM

Well, I've read through all 248 posts.

No one has mentioned the scene where just before Charlotte wacks Kate, Kate made mention of the Sat phone, Charlotte says it isn't working. Kate spies the phone in Charlotte's pocket with the green light on meaning it's got a signal.

How can that be (if the phone is freighter specific) if all the communictions were ripped into spaghetti?

Not just that but what part is this Sat phone going to play later?

#249. Posted by: another addict at March 8, 2008 1:10 AM

The end of "The Constant" had a hand grenade, and "The Other Woman" ended on a scene with horse shoes. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw what Sawyer and Hurley were playing.
→ 76. Posted by: fowleball at March 7, 2008 09:46 AM

** ^^Good catch! **

@Sarah C #69 and others - I think the Freighties have been to the island before. They sure seemed to know their way around, and that would explain how Faraday knows Juliet when she confronts him in the gas mask.
→ 134. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 7, 2008 12:36 PM

** Faraday recognized Juliet from the beach. **

Some more anagrams for Harper Stanhope:
Hanso, rather pep.
Hanso, Earth perp.
Hanso, the rapper.
Hanso, her tapper.

#250. Posted by: James at March 8, 2008 1:28 AM

well thats easy theres probably other sat phones on the boat lol

#251. Posted by: lostfan420 at March 8, 2008 1:47 AM

(smartass)

My point was Charlotte lied and now she's the only one who can make outside contact.

I think I smell another phone fight coming...

#252. Posted by: another addict at March 8, 2008 2:05 AM

@ → 240. Posted by: ailsa at March 7, 2008 10:39 PM

I hate you... why did you say that?!?!

That happens to be the point of SPOILER ALERTS. GOSH.

you have NO IDEA how hard I try to avoid spoilers and I'm pretty sure everyone else here does as well, maybe even more than I do... so PLEASE DO NOT post spoilers here without an alert.

I'm really upset right now.

#253. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 8, 2008 10:49 AM

Ben's man is probably Frank, Michael, Walt, Eko, Boone or Cindy or Jack's dad. Does Locke know that Jack's dad is dead and his coffin was on the plane?


I think we're expecting it to be Michael 'cos his name is in the friggin' credits every week. When will he appear?

"Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw what Sawyer and Hurley were playing."
→ 76. Posted by: fowleball

What is close?

#254. Posted by: AC at March 8, 2008 11:19 AM

Just to put in my vote, Aaron is one of the O6. The media is very sheepy and as soon as 6 survivors were found then some "creative" guy would dub them the Oceanic 6. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, and Aaron are seen after-island. That leaves only ONE more person.

@JT/#139: Thanks for having my back! :)

And to all the people who think Michael would not be a surprise, you are looking at it from the wrong point of view. If you were on the island and knew that Michael and Walt had taken a boat out to the ocean, you would be surprised that Michael is still nearby much less on a freighter that is returning to the island. Yes, we will not be surprised to see him because his name is in the credits every week but Sayid and Desmond think he is floating toward Tahiti.

#255. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 8, 2008 11:37 AM

@PiecesofArzt/255

"And to all the people who think Michael would not be a surprise ... Sayid and Desmond think he is floating toward Tahiti."

Oh, beg to differ ...

Des & Sayid are the LAST people who'd think that ... they have experienced first-hand how difficult it is to leave the island, and have seen what happens when things go badly. They might be surprised to find he's alive ... then again, after Ben effectively sacrificed Michael/Walt to the leave-the-island-in-a-small-boat suicide mission, I find it impossible Michale would do anything for old bug-eyes if he managed somehow to survive.

For these reasons, among others, I do not think it will be Michael. Besides, everyone seems to think he will, and we knwo by now how much the producers/writers love to mess with the audience. The credits? Ever think it might be a ruse (BTW, they've done this before ... IMO the pre-show credits mean next to nothing ... they feel free to add people upon airing, or not use listed characters, and then list them as "credit only" after the fact)?

Still sticking to my guns with Helen as BMOTB.

Finally, not so sure Sayid is "officially" one of the O6 either ... we have not seen "public" confirmation of this. Yeah, we know he made it off the island, but apparently so did Ben ... ya gonna claim he's the last of the O6? There's obviously a disconnect between simply making it off the island and being one of the O6. It's not been made 100% clear, but willing to bet none of the O6 ackowledge the existence of any others from the island (aside form 815 passengers). If we agree that's possible, then why not have Sayid covertly leave, and not be one of the O6?

My predictions: Helen BMOTB, Sayid not one of the O6

#256. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 12:53 PM

Did not love this episode for 2 reasons. Again, IF Daniel and Charlotte were just disabling the gas why not tell the 815'ers about it and all go together. The yall hate Ben. Its the old arguement if people just talked a little. Im still waiting for frantic questions from Jack, etc. about Dez time traveling. I know crazy stuff happens on the island but still..Wouldnt you be pestering Daniel left and right??

Also, Juliet's character seems off. She's the innocent type doctor, kind of naive..at least as far as Ben is concerned then Goodwin is killed and she turns into this ninja, tough, and dangerous woman. Can handle a gun no problem. There isnt enough time lapsed for her to be this different despite the trauma of Goodwin. Thoughts?

#257. Posted by: JR at March 8, 2008 1:08 PM

@256 "ealgumby"

Sayid told the Italian chap on the golf course that he was one of the Oceanic Six.

Seeing as the Six are minor celebrities, it would be a pretty stupid lie to tell at that point. (IMHO).

#258. Posted by: tedjack at March 8, 2008 1:34 PM

@ 259 "JR"

I thought it was pretty conclusive that Faraday was indeed trying to disable/make inert the gas in that Tempest power station even before Juliet attempted to intervene. Are you suggesting that this might not be the case?

Otherwise, the issue you aren't happy with is simply because it's an entertaining show, and we would have been deprived of that dramatic fight while Faraday disabled the gas deployment, and then Jack and Juliet's tender embrace would most likely not occur - possibly observed by Ben etc etc.

This sort of peeve is evident in almost all of the episodes to date but you have to give the writers some slack, I think.

I do think your suspicion of Juliet raises far more interesting questions (hopefully) as to what can and can't be done on the Island.

#259. Posted by: tedjack at March 8, 2008 1:51 PM

@76.fowleball ..."The Constant" had a hand grenade, and "The Other Woman" ended on a scene with horse shoes. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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When Close Really Counts
- Horseshoes
- Hand Grenades
- Dancing
- Nuclear Attack
- Home Pregnancy Testing

#260. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 8, 2008 1:52 PM

@ 257 "JR"

I thought it was pretty conclusive that Faraday was indeed trying to render inert/disable the deployment of the gas even before Juliet made her presence known and attempted to intervene. Are you suggesting that wasn't the case?

Faraday and Lewis may have wished their operation to remain secret in case the Lost folk might not agree with tampering with a potentially fatal weapon at this point since they would not be decked out in those handy biohazard suits.

Otherwise, the peeve you have is simply due to the writers making the show entertaining - without the mystery of the freighter's mission, the ensuing dramatic fight would not occur and Jack and Juliet's subsequent emotional embrace (possibly observed by an enraged Ben in turn being observed by a raging Meg) would not take place either.

I'd say almost every episode - if not every single one - of Lost could be questioned in this manner - I personally think the writers should be cut some slack in order to keep it entertaining.

I do like your thoughts on Juliet's out-of-sorts persona - I hope that in time it will explain more what can and cannot be done on this mysterious Island.

#261. Posted by: tedjack at March 8, 2008 2:02 PM

SPOILER GUESS

I am a newbie/lurker and have been reading all of the guesses and comments from the last two shows (I just stumbled upon this site two weeks ago). Here are my thoughts.

I think its Sawyer in the coffin. Jack knows Kate had a fling with him so presumes she would care about him being dead. Also explains why know one was at his funeral as Sawyer was a loaner and a Con Man. Jack shows up out of respect for him and maybe a chance to see Kate again. That would also means Sawyer is # 5 of Oceanic 6. I am not sure who number six is. Probably Sun but I am not ruling out Aaron as being counted. Technically he was on the flight in his mom’s tummy. Wasn’t there mention of eight crash survivors but two died on the island? Numbers 7 & 8 would be?

I think Walt is Ben’s Man On The Boat as he could easily transmit info back to Ben with brainpower. We know the Others wanted Walt for his special power. Being a Kid, he could sneak around and help the islanders. Walt seemed happy on the island so he would therefore help protect it. I am the only member of my family or group of friends that is digging deeper into this show. “If” the MOTB is Michael, they will be surprised.

I think there is a storm like force field that surrounds and hides the island. Desmond crashed his boat during a storm. The helicopter flew into a storm to get back top the boat. The paratroopers all came in during storms. Makes sense to me that radar and satellites can’t see the island because of the storms. That’s also why a submarine is needed to go back and forth (under the storm). You miss the storm and it doesn’t mess with your time travel brain. But there must be a secret passage or gap in the storm that allows you to pass. The sunken ship must have made it through at one point and the logbook Widmore bought at the auction tells of the storm, the magical island and its healing powers.

SUPER SPOILER>In next weeks previews no one has mentioned the note that is shown unfolded that says “Don’t Trust the Captain”. Someone is slipping the islanders on the boat a secret. More than likely the same person that opened the door for Sayid and Desmond.

MORE>Also in the preview, the blondish woman jumping off the boat is Penny. She is wrapped in chains in an apparent suicide. Desmond is seen frantically running on the deck of the ship during that same preview. Does she think he has died from the bloody nose brain damage? If she knows he is alive and knows of the island (she said so), she could also know of her Dad’s ship and arrives to meet Desmond only to find out he has died. With his time travel abilities Desmond could go back moments before her death and try to save her.

Once in a previous episode Faraday was seen practicing some kind of mind game and questioning his ability to guess accurately. I think that maybe that is where his comment of “Not sure of I can do this” came from. He probably would not know the secret code to disable the computer countdown before he got there so he was struggling with envisioning the proper code.


Somewhere on the Net I read about the underlying plot to this whole story and it said something about Widmore’s company had built the towers on the island and delivered food there. Any more info on that?


That’s all I have for now. Glad I found this site.
Wandy

#262. Posted by: Wandy at March 8, 2008 2:10 PM

Juliet, that little c-lut. She can identify abnormal ovary deterioration within seconds, but she'll pass out nookeyville tickets to anyone who will take them...on a island that pregnant people die on! Not smart...dharma condoms in high demand I bet...except Ben...when was the last time that guy got laid? Unless its a Koresh-like thang going on....and what is wrong with Jack....why are you not heading striaght to a station or a villa or a net with that little nympho/fertility doctor?....hit that Jack. Goodwin had it right. Good for him. rest in peace.

#263. Posted by: Diggler at March 8, 2008 2:16 PM


@85 Posted by: Hurley Is Hot

"I hate the Jack-Juliet relationship."

Hmmmmm - The problem might be that you have a very personal and specific interpretation of what love is? Consider that the variables might be different for other people.

I think there is chemistry between the two, and it is quite realistic. They both have a common background (medicine), and they both really want to leave the island. They both dislike Ben immensely.

If there is something that is developing between the two, one has to wonder about the implications for future off island Jack. It does not seem that Juliet made it off the island. Perhaps she is a factor in what leads to his break down and eventual desire to return to the island? Perhaps she dies while saving Aaron and ensuring his escape from the island?

@87 Posted by: PiecesofArzt

"Is there any recreational sport that Hurley can't play?"

Is this not a continuation of the good luck Hurley has from the numbers? Things seem to go his way. Interestingly enough though, such was not the case when he was playing backgammon with Walt. Walt always rolled what he needed, and won a considerable amount of $$ from Hurley in S1.

re: Harper Stanhope

I found it curious that when the wet version of Harper spoke to Juliet, she mentioned that Ben was exactly where he wanted to be. This is exactly what Miles told Kate (in reference to his own captivity). I wonder if there is a connection? We know Miles has special abilities - maybe he had something to do with the projection of Harper?

@121 Posted by: welh

"It is also not plausible that Faraday would know how to control this station unless he had been there before"

If Widmore is the man behind the freighter, it seems to suggest that he has a connection to surviving elements of Dharma that are off the island. It is probable that he would have access to island schematic data, and he could have relayed this to his operatives (Charlotte and Faraday). It would make sense that Dharma would be trying to regain control of the island (in light of the purge).

No doubt, instructions for the Tempest mission were to keep it a secret - Charlotte seems the most willing to comply, while Faraday is soft, and more willing to open up and trust everyone.


@124 Posted by: Chris

"And why did a bunch of utopian hippies like Dharma have a nerve gas factory to begin with?"

The station may have had a different function, and it could have been altered by Ben and his followers for the gas that was used during the purge. If Widmore does have ties with Dharma, perhpas someone squeeled on how the purge was pulled off, so the operatives are making sure Ben can't do it again (once the full Dharma invasion force arrives to try to reclaim the island).

@133 Posted by: aj

"In the second season, Kelvin was shown using a gas mask and suit, may be still weary of the first gas attack!"

Good point! Perhaps the Swan was still controlled by Dharma agents who obviously became very nervous about being gassed! Perhaps it was the purge that made them think the outside world was permanently contaminated?

@143 Posted by: micHael

"When did the purge of Drama happen?"

It is unclear when the purge took place, but it was likely in the late 80's or early 90's. Perhaps the purge is what lead to the numbers being transmitted over the Pacific, and Rousseau and her team crashing on the island in 1988. Perhaps Dharma loyalists did survive, and were trying to enable their supporters to find the island and help them?

@147 Posted by: EthansGirl

"Oh what did my poor Ethan do???? Maybe fixing Juliette's pipes was a bad move."

Lol - I can't help but think double meaning with your words! Maybe Juliette was getting sweet loving anywhere and everywhere (except Ben). As Ethan was the doctor, I would expect that he worked closely with Juliette with her fertility project. Maybe Juliette was cleaning Ethan's pipes (wink wink)

@150 Posted by: boozy

Bah Humbug! I'll get you, and your little dog too!

@165 Posted by: hurling

"I laugh mightily at people who don't have the patience to wait for their comments to finish posting, so they post multiple times."

Quoted because it's so true!

@166 Posted by: Cecil Rose

"I notice Jack is beginning to have second thoughts about the side he's chosen."

Yet we know in the future it will be Hurley who laments the side that he chose....

@179 Posted by: bcre8ve

"What ever happened to Jin's Dad? How does he fit in with this?"

I'm sure he's fishing up a storm! I assume you meant Sun's dad?

Other thoughts:

The man on the boat will be Michael for sure. As I'm watching S2, other than constantly yelling "WAAAAAAALT" or similar things, he also maintained that Jack and crew were not aware of the bigger picture of what was going on...

#264. Posted by: shikotee at March 8, 2008 2:43 PM

After the disappointing Kate episode (as all Kate episodes are), I think these have been some of the best episodes of Lost. It feels like we are finally finding things out. I also like that we are now getting Flash forwards and backs and don't really know which is coming. Love all the posts and ridiculous theories.

#265. Posted by: Not an Other at March 8, 2008 4:01 PM

Wow, 264 comments.
I thought the episode was more filler, it did not have any island shattering information.
I caught that the sat-phone was still on as well. I thought there would be more of that story in the epi, but there was not.
A lot of comments are speculation as to BMOB, so here are mine.
I do not think it is Michael. I think is either Ben himself, Locke, or maybe even a 35 year old Walt. Looking forward to next week's epi.

#266. Posted by: onelostdude at March 8, 2008 4:36 PM

Is Naomi's corpse still on the copter on the deck? Have they forgotten her?

#267. Posted by: pod at March 8, 2008 4:37 PM

@ ealgumby - 256
Sayid HAS TO be one of the six. He told the guy on the golf course in "The Economist" that he was. He specifically said, "My name is Sayid Jarrah, and i am one of the Oceanic 6" (or something like that), but he specifically said that he was. Then the guy got scared, thought about running away, then BAM. Mr. NeckCrackerWithLegs shoots him.

IN ADDITION... Ben CAN NOT be one of the Oceanic 6 because HE WAS NOT ON OCEANIC 815. Same reason that Juliet and Desmond can't be one of them either... AND AARON.

Did I meantion I hate Juliet?

Let's drill this in everyone's minds... THE OCEANIC SIX WERE ON BOARD OCEANIC FLIGHT 815 ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2004. Ben was NOT on that plane, Juliet was NOT on that plane, Desmond was NOT on that plane... and techinically Aaron was, but it wouldn't make any sense.

COMPRENDE?!?

So the reason that "you can't change the future" is because the universe has a way of "course correcting". So even if you did something in the past, the universe will find a way to correct it.

... This idea was established in "Flashes Before Your Eyes"... it's another way of saying "destiny" is a big part of this show.

Those were my 3 Cents (2 cents is too cliche for me) =D (evil?)

#268. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 8, 2008 4:43 PM

@tedjack/258
"Sayid told the Italian chap on the golf course that he was one of the Oceanic Six. Seeing as the Six are minor celebrities, it would be a pretty stupid lie to tell at that point."

I know I'm reaching here a bit, but that's exactly my point ... what difference does it make what Sayid tells a dead man (or at least one he knows soon will be)? The only flash-forward confirmation of Sayid being an O6 member is him telling this guy (Mr.
Avellino ... anagram "evil loan"), who seemed very uncomfortable after hearing that, until the moment shortly thereafter when Sayid permanently terminated his discomfort.

I think Sayid is not publicly known, or this guy would've recognized him ... and this is why Ben can use him. If he were an O6 member, even as you suggest, a "minor" celebrity, his cover as a potential assassin would not be credible (with apologies to Chuck Berris and "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" proponents).

#269. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 4:48 PM

@iloveben.../268

Uh, yeah, thanks ...

I'll try real hard from now on to keep up ... sorry if my thickness upsets you ...

Are ya pickin' up what I'm puttin' down?

#270. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 5:37 PM

I did think about that scenario, ealgumby - my main reason for doubting it would be that Sayid could not really pass for anyone else from the Island (who could make up the Oceanic Six) so for him to say this to Mr Loan doesn't make any sense to me.

The flip side would of course be - why would Sayid say that even if he knew the guy's loans and golfing days were numbered? He could make up any number of cover scenarios but chose to go with the Oceanic Six one.

Unless Ben has *really* taken Sayid under his wing and taught him all his mindgames techniques, that is :)

I do hope you're right in any case - it'd make for a nice twist on things, definitely.

In other news, I asked my magic 8-ball if you might be added to 'Ilovebenjamin......'s handle in the near future but it said "outlook not so good at this point...."

#271. Posted by: tedjack at March 8, 2008 5:56 PM

Reagrding not changing the future isnt it automatically changes when Dez goes to see Farady circa 1996? I mean whatever he was doing the "first" time in 1996 has now been changed to him going to see Farady so that moment alone is changed..now will other events happen no matter what, I guess that's course correction but absolutely the "future" changes the moment he has those "flashbacks". Right?

#272. Posted by: JR at March 8, 2008 6:02 PM

Oops @ealgumby once more - I also meant to write that I think your point about Sayid being a member of the Oceanic Six not lending itself to the career of hitman is a good one, but I'd also add that unless the O6 are proven to have struck some form of deal with Ben that this other lot know about, it wouldn't be an insurmountable handicap.

However, on further reflection, I am now leaning firmly to Sayid NOT being one of the Oceanic Six, if only because Ben's enemies would surely know to think a chance meeting on a golf course at an unsociable hour with one of these guys would be a little too much like 'a funny coincidence to tell the missus when I get home'.

Doh!

#273. Posted by: tedjack at March 8, 2008 6:06 PM

does anyone know exactly how long Miles has had the grenade in his mouth?

#274. Posted by: kaseygirl106 at March 8, 2008 6:41 PM

@ ealgumby
Sorry for blowing up at you. I thought you didn't have any rational reason for why Sayid wasn't one of them... but I agree with tedjack.

...on many levels.

Anyway, I still think that Sayid is one of the six, but good thought process. Kudos to that.

But my rebutt to your theory would have to be the fact that the other guy may have known who Sayid was, but Sayid may have not known who he was. And the reason he was surprized was because Sayid told him, which would only mean that Sayid knew who he was... probably not.

Wow... Sorry if I wasted anyone's time with that completely useless thought...

But anyway... as I mentioned in the "Eggtown" blog... the girl that Sayid was hooking up with may have not been there for him. She told Sayid that he "looked familiar" to her... then the eventually realized who he was, told "the economist" and then they came up with a plan. It's because his face WAS recognizable and she happened to recognize him.

I'm still annoyed at the fact that so many people are saying that BEN might be one of the six, which IS NOT POSSIBLE. SO STOP SAYING THAT.

#275. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 8, 2008 6:48 PM

@iloveben.../275

First, thank you (and forgive my previous sarcasm).

Second, Sayid absolutely knew the Italian ... he called him out by name (Mr. Avellino) just before killing him ... Sayid has picked up a few Jedi mind tricks from Yoda Ben. That's another reason why I think he threw the O6 comment out there just previous to completing his mission ... he wanted the victim to squirm a bit, and realize his time was up, before administering the coup de grace.

Likewise (while not quite as explicitly obvious), Sayid and Elsa both knew exactly who eachother were. Just playing a little high-stakes brinksmanship ... each had a mission beyond simply taking out the other, and they both needed time to gain trust/advantage first. He did not need to be a member of the O6 for her to know who he was ... he was her target all along.

Finally, while I agree Ben is "probably" not one of the O6, given the time-travel mythology we have been presented so far, I write nothing off ... Consider this, perhaps his name was added to the offical flight manifest so he could become one of the O6 without undue suspicion. By the Novikov Principle, as long as the plane crashes and the future "ends up" the same (the "course correction"), this would not violate the paradox prohibition. Not saying I believe this, but think it's far too premature for you to put anything "unknown" in caps as absolute when it comes to this show.

#276. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 7:41 PM

A clarification ... Sayid stalked Elsa to get the "economist's" location (hotel name), not necessarily to kill her (although Ben clearly didn't care). He did not know that she was simultaneously stalking him ... until he had to kill her.

Elsa stalked Sayid to get Ben's info, and torture/death was always in the cards for Sayid by her mission plan. Although Ben/Sayid didn't know this, Elsa (and the economist) clearly knew who he was ... there is a leak.

#277. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 7:59 PM

Does anyone remember back when Desmond was in the bunker with the Dharma guy how he was tricked into injecting himself with something every day to protect from island radiation? Well, those vials were labeled Widmore which suggests a Widmore-Dharma connection, which would explain why Widmore and Ben are archenemies and how Widmore's team knows so much about the island.

#278. Posted by: Willie Lo at March 8, 2008 8:17 PM

Only one more comment on this (promise) ...

The fact Sayid was surprised to find out Elsa knew about him makes it very hard for me to believe he's one of the "official" Oceanic Six ... it wouldn't make sense.

Let's see, he freely offers his true name to Elsa, while on a mission to kill her boss, who obviously would be able to figure out his "special" correlation to the island if he were truly one of the Oceanic Six. Not the best cover, agreed? If he weren't one of the O6, letting her in on his name would mean nothing.

Of course, you could argue exactly the opposite ... he planted his "known" O6 name with her, figuring that would allow him to establish contact. However, you get into a chicken-egg problem with that logic, because that implies she would know what he's up to, and would want to get close only to find out, yet Sayid was honestly surprised that she was in on things at the end.

Rambling a bit, but I hope you see my point. This scenario, as it played out, is not the typical spy "mutual-knowledge" contact situation (as is frequently the case in Bond stories ... "Bond, James Bond [but of course you already knew that]." Bond often introduces himself to the bad guy (or one of his girls), but knows they are already on to him. That does not appear to be the case here, making it less likely that Sayid is one of the O6.

Does that make sense at all?

#279. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 8:19 PM

I'm pretty sure Walt is "The Man on the Boat".

We are all thinking it will be Michael.

I also enjoyed Ben's line: YOU ARE MINE...take all the time you need.

That hill must have been really steep. ben could barely get up it, and Juliet almost fell down it. Funny.

We slowed down the "Next time on LOST" to see who was jumping off the freighter in chains...turns out...its a BODY DOUBLE!! AHHHH!!!

#280. Posted by: Colleen at March 8, 2008 8:24 PM

I'm pretty sure Walt is "The Man on the Boat".

We are all thinking it will be Michael.

I also enjoyed Ben's line: YOU ARE MINE...take all the time you need.

That hill must have been really steep. ben could barely get up it, and Juliet almost fell down it. Funny.

We slowed down the "Next time on LOST" to see who was jumping off the freighter in chains...turns out...its a BODY DOUBLE!! AHHHH!!!

#281. Posted by: Colleen at March 8, 2008 8:25 PM

I'm pretty sure Walt is "The Man on the Boat".

We are all thinking it will be Michael.

I also enjoyed Ben's line: YOU ARE MINE...take all the time you need.

That hill must have been really steep. ben could barely get up it, and Juliet almost fell down it. Funny.

We slowed down the "Next time on LOST" to see who was jumping off the freighter in chains...turns out...its a BODY DOUBLE!! AHHHH!!!

#282. Posted by: Colleen at March 8, 2008 8:26 PM

I'm pretty sure Walt is "The Man on the Boat".

We are all thinking it will be Michael.

I also enjoyed Ben's line: YOU ARE MINE...take all the time you need.

That hill must have been really steep. ben could barely get up it, and Juliet almost fell down it. Funny.

We slowed down the "Next time on LOST" to see who was jumping off the freighter in chains...turns out...its a BODY DOUBLE!! AHHHH!!!

#283. Posted by: Colleen at March 8, 2008 8:26 PM

@Willie Lo/278

Where do you see Widmore on the vial?

I see the numbers, but no Widmore (?)

#284. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 8:34 PM

re: Sayid - Oceanic Six

Certainly there has been misdirection in this show, but come on! You gotta take some things at face value.

If Sayid says that he was a member of the Oceanic Six, I believe him. He informs the golf guy of this info, fully knowing that he will shortly end this mans life. Why would he bother lying to him? I think Sayid totally cashed in as a survivor, waited til things cooled down, and then got down to business.

Anyways - speculation is fun, but there is a statute of limits IMHO. With the Oceanic Six, if the writers really wanted to, they could totally have all sorts of different combinations. Heck - they could find a way to make Cindy's scarf one of the six! But they won't. While the intent is to keep us guessing, I do not believe they are trying to trick us.

With the same logic, the "man on the freighter" will not be Helen, nor will it be Shannon's mom, nor will it be Hurley's dad. All evidence points to Michael. We will have a chance to find out that there is more to him than yelling "WAAAAAAAALT" a zillion times.

re: Lost show promotions and promises

Remember - what is within the show is the work of the creators and writers, and outside of this scope you have the work of the marketing department. They are hyping the show any way that they possibly can to boost ratings.

re: Helen on the boat

The funny thing is, this actually crossed my mind too! I assumed this was due to my watching S2. While it would be awesome to have Peg making her way to the island, I just can't see it realistically happening....

#285. Posted by: shikotee at March 8, 2008 8:34 PM

Come on people I'm gone a few days and this is what I have to come home to : 285 POSTS!!!

Damn you and you're GRAA Mac! Damn you!!!

Oh yeah btw, I'll be posting as soon as I get through all of the posts (hey, you love this stuff or you don't)

#286. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 8, 2008 8:48 PM

@279

Sayid was not after Elsa - he was after her boss. He gave his name freely because he thought she was an innocent pawn for an evil master. He did not suspect that she was aware of him at all - hence why her beeper goes off, he tells her to take off!

#287. Posted by: shikotee at March 8, 2008 9:10 PM

@shikotee/285

Okay, I relent, but not without a few caveats/comments ...

"speculation is fun, but there is a statute of limits IMHO."

There are many issues on Lost from S1 on which have been left unresolved ... are these beyond the statute of speculative limitation? I assume (hope) the writers will eventually provide answers to at least most of these, as promised. Until closure to earlier untethered story lines (should) slowly continue to come, these cases are still open (?) ... I hope so.

"if the writers really wanted to, they could totally have all sorts of different combinations."

And they haven't?

"While the intent is to keep us guessing, I do not believe they are trying to trick us."

They just couldn't possibly be so cruel to us loyal lemmings, and never have ... right? Have become an unwitting fan of AMC and GH (via GF forced viewing) for many years, and the Friday cliff-hanger/surprise/trick is the very staple of all soaps. Not strictly saying Lost is a SO ... but honestly, it has all the elements. I think the writing staff has picked up a few pointers along the way from day-time TV.

"I just can't see it realistically happening ..."

Nuff said. :)

#288. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 9:21 PM

Ben saying he has a “Man” on the boat doesn’t mean his “Man” on the boat is a male, could be a female.
So if Michael made it to the freighter, where is the red, 25′ tender he drove there? Did they sink it? Set it adrift? Tow it to Fiji during their port-call there?
Maybe Michael was taken to Fiji or, is being held on the freighter and interrogated for info. I’ll help with the water-boarding.

And Walt, if he is still on the freighter, waiting for dad to catch his breath, perhaps he is responsible for the Communication Room chaos. He has willed things from his mind before. Maybe he got someone (Minkowski) to go nuts on the radio systems for him? Still trying to help or protect Locke? Protect the other kids that were taken?

We ended TOW on Day 97 (wiki), Mike & Walt left on Day 67 meaning they’d be on the freighter for about a month.

Seems more like "Bens' Person On The Boat" would have to infiltrate the mission before it started (via Naomi, Abba, Wid), rather than a loose cannon like Michael being trusted - coming from the island, he would immediately be suspect as a Benonnite.

#289. Posted by: DocH at March 8, 2008 9:41 PM

@shikotee/285 - "they could find a way to make Cindy's scarf one of the six!"

That's it! Juliet or Ben will steal Cindy's scarf before leaving the island. That's how they leave without being on the manifest. The scarf is #6 and no one even notices who's wearing it. Shikotee, you're a genius!!!! :=)

#290. Posted by: hurling at March 8, 2008 9:43 PM

@ ealgumby
I need to give you props for your case. You make a good one.

BUT, still... I do not THINK that Sayid is NOT one of the Oceanic 6, which means that I do THINK that he is.

However, I apologize, once again.

But why would he say that he was one of the Oceanic 6, if he wasn't one of them?

And plus, I believe someone said that the producers said we KNOW 4 of them after "The Economist"... I don't know, I might be wrong. HEARSAY.

I do enjoy this speculation as well. Quite entertaining in fact. I'm not sure how I lived without this blog in the past... similarly to what people say about their iPhones.

Unfortunately, I fail to posess an iPhone... so I can't really say that I don't know how I ever lived without it, because I never lived with it.

Ok, wow... I need to stop.

So I still feel really new to this, because I still don't understand the whole "Cindy's Scarf" thing.

Next week's episode is supposed to be AMAZING (UHMAYZING!) wow, I can't believe I just said that... Please disregard that portion in the parenthesis completely.

I can't say I've ever been drunk, because I've never even drank, but I do get pretty "high" off of SUGAR.

I'm eating candy right now.

Can I use that as an excuse for anything? Probably not.

...and I think I'm going to need a good excuse for whatever I just said as well.

OKAY OKAY I'm finished!!

#291. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 8, 2008 10:07 PM

ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx /291 - I just hope it's chocolate, because if you don't drink & you don't eat chocolate - well, there's just no hope of explaining Cindy's scarf to you.

#292. Posted by: hurling at March 8, 2008 10:26 PM

Just a small note - Harper Stanhope is an anagram for Pharoah Serpent or Pharaoh Repents. Just found it interesting since the Dharma Polar bear was found in Egypt.

#293. Posted by: JMY at March 8, 2008 10:35 PM

A few random thoughts (brain is mush...just finished reading all the posts....)

1- Is Harper alive and her last name should be Copperfield or dead but able to communicate (ie: Charlie & Ben's mom). Now sinse I"m leaning towards option 2, this would mean Ben's got some ghost-wisperer in him (could explain Jacob....)

2- What really suprised me about Charlotte's revelation concerning the gas was that she knew about Ben orchestrating the purge....How does she know this?

3- I don't think that the freighties want to kill Ben According to Miles and Ben, they WANT Ben. What for is still a mystery.

As stated previously, my brain is mush so that's all for now...

#294. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 8, 2008 10:43 PM

@iloveben.../291

First of all, as you're clearly young, ya might wanna rethink the "xxx" at the end your handle in the process of coming up with new (shorter) one ...

just sayin' ...

Second, "Cindy's Scarf" originated from the mind of meg (S3/"The Brig"/266) with an innocent comment about how Cindy always has her tidy scarf on out in the jungle, etc. The first pert reply about the scarf came from ButchM.

This quickly devolved into banter about scarves being seen almost everywhere (and hence a jokingly hidden plot element) ... soon Cindy's scarf vicariously took on a life of its own within this blog.

Go ahead, say it ... can I not take the fun out of almost anything?

#295. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 10:43 PM

@Prosecutor67/294

"What really suprised me about Charlotte's revelation concerning the gas was that she knew about Ben orchestrating the purge....How does she know this?"

Ooo ... that's a good point ... knowing about the chemical facility is one thing ... knowing he pulled a Saddam with it is another thing entirely.

#296. Posted by: ealgumby at March 8, 2008 10:50 PM

OK, this is my first post in a year or two, so I have a lot built up...
First: While it's most likely Michael or Walt on the boat, I feel like the boat hands would HAVE to know they were originally 815'ers. (Boaties do have files on everyone, after all.) I suppose they can be OK with that, but it seems like by merit of being an 815'er, they would be watched even more...
Second, a la Cecil Rose, 166: The gas over the big area could be NBD if the island really is a "snow globe" of sorts...
Third: This is a hold over from a few weeks ago, but did anyone else think that the pic of Ben in his creepy 70s attire look like it was taken in the communications room? That was my first thought when I saw that room last week.
This might be complete babble... I've had a couple hundred (and a glass of wine) too many posts to read through.

#297. Posted by: kaytied at March 9, 2008 12:00 AM

I just had a Twilight Zone moment -

After that scene where Ben took Juliet to see Goodwin, I have this image in my head of Ben being that telepathic kid from that twilight zone episode who turns someone into a jack-in-the-box and sends people he's mad at into the cornfield.

For anyone who missed that one, here's the TV dot com synopsis
- It's A Good Life :
"A young boy with the power to read minds and alter reality terrorizes a small town, after making it disappear from the world... "

Sounds eerily LOST like to me.. I can picture that being Ben. After all... how DID he go from being the son of a Dharma Janitor to giving orders to Richard Alpert after the purge? Why did Jacob say "Help Me?" What about that magic box? Why is Harper Stanhope advising her client not to sleep with her husband for fear it would upset BEN? Who will he banish to the cornfield next?

Since I'm on the Twilight Zone topic, Richard Alpert would make an awesome Rod Serling..

#298. Posted by: vacc at March 9, 2008 12:01 AM

@288

Sorry if I came across as too much of a prick!

Yeah - there is tons of stuff from season 1 that still need to be resolved, and slowly, we are getting more pieces of the puzzle. I guess my train of thought is moving away from imaginative, and is focusing more on the investigative.

Are there enough pieces of the puzzle laid out where we can figure out the empty spaces (not by guessing, but by figuring out the pattern)?

No doubt, Lost writers have totally used all sorts of soap techniques to pique interest, etc. I hope they have a good sense of when to stop. For example, if we end up seeing Patchy sitting in the captains chair, we know they've gone too far!

@290 hurling

Important update! The scarf as one of the six might be a red herring.

I've now looked closely at the way the scarf ripples and moves, and have done frame by frame comparisons to the movement patterns of smokey. There are definite similarities, and I have now concluded that Cindy's scarf is in fact smokey. Total Game changer!

#299. Posted by: shikotee at March 9, 2008 12:33 AM

@253 I see your spoiler point but really he didn't tell you anything specific just that Aaron is not part of the six and that was mentioned many times in the posts above him even if it was just guessing.

Great review MAC.

I can not wait for next week.

#300. Posted by: JJ at March 9, 2008 1:51 AM

First of all, JJ is about to be burned alive. Not by me, but just watch. Am I the only one that is amused at ealgumby trying to explain anything to Ilovebenxxx? I am with the group that says that Michael on the boat will only be disappointing for us that have already decided it is him. We want to be shocked. Michael showing up anywhere would be very shocking to our Losties.

#301. Posted by: Not an Other at March 9, 2008 2:10 AM

re: 240. the first thing i read was
***** SPOILERS *****

so: 253. with the "i hate you" rant -
take a midol or put the cork back in ur wine bottle. ***** SPOILERS ***** was the 1st line in cmnt 240

someone said that micheal might be on the boat, but not bens man in the boat. sounds good. that would explain why the actor was in the credits this season. a great big trick by the writers to fool us into thinking his sorry butt was important

#302. Posted by: ben-is-an-@$$-dot-com at March 9, 2008 3:26 AM

@297
I'm with you on the Michael thing. I said this before: The boaters are all familiar with the 815 list and they'll know exactly who Michael is. So why would they give him ANY pertinent information? That would be as foolish as Locke.

The plane people wanted to trust Michael when he tricked them. They were his friends. The boaters have no reason to trust him at all. Ben wouldn't waste his time planting someone they'd be immediately suspicious of.

@302
I agree with you and whoever posted this idea before: If the boaters have run into M&W they probably have them as prisoners.

For these reasons I'm in the "Locke's past" school of thought.

Cheers!

#303. Posted by: freckles at March 9, 2008 4:58 AM

@ jmy the polar bear was found in tunisia not egypt!

my guess for the "ben man on the boat" would be American DIA agent named Inman remember him he was in iraq with sayid Inman tells him that the day will come when Sayid needs information from someone — and that he will have the means to get it! and with desmond in the hatch When Desmond was confused, Inman asked him, "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?",as he realizes that Desmond is not his replacement. Inman teaches Desmond how to enter the numbers, which Inman describes as being needed to "save the world.

this guy is definitely not dead as he will play another big role in the show !

#304. Posted by: rwina at March 9, 2008 6:29 AM

FYI: I added the spoiler tag to post #240. It wasn't there originally. - mac

#305. Posted by: mac at March 9, 2008 7:59 AM

Something else I just thought of.

When Ben bring's Juliette to see Goodwin's body she say's "you knew this was going to happen". I wonder if she ment this litteraly.

Does Juliette some how know that Ben can see the future so she's pissed that he sent Goodwin anyway or that he knew that whoever was sent would die and he chose Goodwin because od this.

Anyway, I think there was more there than only Ben's temper tantrum (great acting, a cross between Manson and Doogie Howser Md, just beautiful)

#306. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 9, 2008 10:09 AM

@JT #238 – Wine was from the sub, OK. I must have been thinking about the freighter when I asked. But that reminds me, anyone think Locke only pretended to blow up the sub and it's still around?

@ealgumby #256 – Helen's a great call for MOTB. As far as I recall she's not dead and the writers' love to pull the ole how-did-*you*-get-here trick on the Losties.

Finally, I'm picturing the Oceanic 6 standing on some beach for a cover shoot for TV Guide. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, No. 5...and Aaron?? I just don't see it. (But just in case I'm searching for my local choco hat store.)

#307. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 9, 2008 10:23 AM

@ ealgumby
Yes... I am in fact quite young.

I don't understand the whole taking out the xxx thing... I guess I'm oblivious and naive as well.

Oh, and thanks for explaining Cindy's scarf to me. =D

And to whoever asked if I was eating chocolate, yes... I do eat chocolate, and I was eating chocolate.

To at the idea of Helen being the "man on the boat" I think that could work. But once again, why? Maybe she's just like Penny. Realize they made a mistake, and that they still love Desmond and Locke... so SEARCH every inch of the world for them.

Ben knows everything about Locke's past, and he knows what can get to him... so he chose Helen to be on the boat? Told her that he has Locke, blah blah blah.

I don't know, I'm just winging this.

@ ben-is-an-@$$-dot-com - 302
MAC added that spoiler alert AFTER that person failed to put one there. FYI. And I was not the only one upset with that.

THANKS MAC!

@ JJ - 300
Yeah, but still... those were just guesses... they weren't FACTS. He/she stated it as a FACT. I don't want to know the truth. We're just speculating here.

And the fact that I read that as FACTS... made me HATE he/she.

... and now even possibly you and BEN-IS-AN-@$$-DOT-COM.

Maybe hate is too strong of a word... how about... strongly dislike?

#308. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx at March 9, 2008 11:14 AM

Loved the review Mac, youre writing just gets better and better over time, regardless of length.

Late to the game this week, haven't made it through even 1/2 the posts yet, but just wanted to thank everyone so far for you insightful insights into the episode. Everytime I think I have a good point to make I see that someone has already beaten me to the punch.

Private message to "ilovebenjaminlinusjoepikemacxxx":
You can't possibly really love me if you believe that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6. ;o)

#309. Posted by: JoePike at March 9, 2008 12:11 PM

@iloveben.../308

Color me gullible ...

As you can clearly use the web, search engines, etc. in support of your occassional flames, you can also easily determine via google why "xxx" would not be appropriate in a young-person's handle. Stop pretending to be a child ... it's creepy.

#310. Posted by: ealgumby at March 9, 2008 12:35 PM

I've noticed a distinct edge creeping into the discussion, and that doesn't benefit anyone.

Lost discussions = good. Tangents = good. Cindy's scarf = awesome.

Personal stuff = bad (unless it's friendly)

"Stay on target ... staaaaayyyyyy on target!"

#311. Posted by: mac at March 9, 2008 12:40 PM

If Michael is Ben's man on the boat, why? Michaels only motivation was to get Walt back and be a good father. He apparently has Walt back and another chance at parenthood. If find it hard to believe he'd give that up to try and do the right thing and save the people he backstabbed to leave the island.

#312. Posted by: DW at March 9, 2008 1:14 PM

I can't shake 'em Mac. I can't shake 'em!

#313. Posted by: The Other Other at March 9, 2008 1:19 PM

@ Mac #311: Amen! We want to use the Force for good here, not evil... ; )

#314. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 9, 2008 1:23 PM

Copy, Rogue Leader!

#315. Posted by: shikotee at March 9, 2008 1:25 PM

All answers to LOST mysteries will be cleared up when we get the backstory on......Vincent! Clearly something happened in his puppyhood that has huge significance to the Island

#316. Posted by: schneiddy at March 9, 2008 1:29 PM

@MAC 311

Thanks for getting the blog back on track. You are the best!

STAY ON TRACK !
Cecil and others how about a 5 7 5 on that!
p.s. I'm older then Cecil and that means if I went back in time there wouldn't be a phone to call Penny on !
that's creepy!

#317. Posted by: SamFin at March 9, 2008 1:58 PM

First, let me admit I've been lurking in the shadows for a long time now (years in fact) and I've finally come across something I have not seen addressed yet.

Back when Dan asked Regina to send him the payload, Jack asked Frank what Dan was doing and Frank's reply was something like 'he did that all the time on the ship.'

So, where were the payloads going? I don't think he was crashing them back into the ship. Could there be two ships?

Also, someone mentioned that Michael's boat is nowhere near the ship. Is it traveling back and forth from ship to shore? And, where's Desmond's boat?

I would also like to thank you Mac for reminding everyone to 'stay on target.' Your blog has been a fun, creative and intelligent read for many years and I appreciate your keeping it that way. I love the community spirit this site maintains and am already mourning the end of Lost and the 'neighbors' I've come to know here. Thanks for all your time and hard work.

#318. Posted by: pebsgonepostal at March 9, 2008 2:06 PM

I think the Ben's MOTB is Randy. That would certainly shock Locke. The Helen idea is interesting but it wouldn't mean much to anyone but Locke. I also agree that Michael can be on the boat and not be Ben's MOTB. Maybe he got Walt to safety and decided to try and help the Losties. He could have opened the sick bay door for Sayid and Des. The only thing I know for sure is that anytime I have had a theory, it turned out wrong so.....

#319. Posted by: Not an Other at March 9, 2008 2:23 PM

@Mac 311 & everybody

Now we should fell inspired by Mac's nice and polite message. For those of you who may not have understood, here's a "clearer" take on it:

Viper (Mac): Top Gun (Lost blog) rules of engagement are written for your safety and for that of your team (fellow bloggers). They are not flexible, nor am I. You will follow them...or you are history, is that clear?

Now let's all have some fun : "I fell the need, the need for speed"

Lost really is an adreneline rush.

OK, Juliette, is it me or is she getting more mysterious by the second. There's one thing (yeah, like if there was only ONE....) I don't get.

In the Mobisodes, there's one where Juliette is about to reveal the contents of an envelope to another woman and just before taking it out, she say's something like "we're in trouble"

Now I always thought that the envelope contained Ben's X-ray, but why want him dead a few weeks (or days) later when she meets up with Jack, if his death would put them in danger.

And furthermore, WHY would Ben's death put them in danger???

As for the Widmore angle I rewatched flashes before your eyes and when I saw the artwork with the polar bear and the word namaste written backwards, remeber...well I noticed that it was painted on ondulated sheet metal.

Now this got me thinking to the art Des made inside the hatch. Could the art in Widmore's office be from another station?

It's starting to look pretty clear to me that Widmore was somehow involved with DHARMA, he knows Ben caused the purge and basicly took over the island and now it's payack time.

What payback is I still don't know. Thats the beauty of this show: every answer brings on more questions


#320. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 9, 2008 2:50 PM

Best Joke I've Heard (So Far) About This Episode.

Why are the Others pressing on to the Temple and not returning to save Ben?

They're really upset with Ben... he taped over the 'Sox World Series' win... when he could have taped over 'Xanadu'.

(thnx CAG)

#321. Posted by: DocH at March 9, 2008 3:07 PM

@21 DocH - "We all think that Juliet fooling around with married Goodwin is - the other woman. Maybe “the other woman” is the female that Ben is reminded of by Juliet."

Then would that make Juliet the others' other other woman?

#322. Posted by: ardie at March 9, 2008 3:50 PM

ok since my name is causing some controversy, I'll stay with my original name.

"As you can clearly use the web, search engines, etc. in support of your occassional flames, you can also easily determine via google why "xxx" would not be appropriate in a young-person's handle. Stop pretending to be a child ... it's creepy."

I now understand why "xxx" is not appropriate. Sorry about that.

I honestly am the more "traditional" wtih the whole "hugs (x) and kisses (o)" when people say xoxoxo you get my point.

I hope "xx" doesn't mean anything... it was not my idea to make it "xxx" anyway. I am sorry though.

I'm thinking ealgumby is starting to hate me... I am not trying to "act" young, but if that's what you want to think, then go ahead.

I use the web for my occasional "flames"?

I agree with the whole "personal stuff" = BAD. So yes, let's keep it LOST. related.

Once again, I do apologize.

Anyway... so I was innocently watching the first epidose of Chuck (Ep. 101) abd Chuck's doctor person thing was showing him images to remind him of the intersect and one image made him say all this stuff and one of the things he said when a picture of a plane came in his head was "Oceanic Flight 815 was shot down --" then he went on to something else.

I know it probably has nothing to do with anywahing, but I thought it was pretty funny.

http://www*nbc*com/Chuck/video/episodes.shtml

@ JoePike
Good point... Whatever, though Ben is the definition of stalker creep freak, I still love him... and only him.

Sorry Mac and JoePike! Bet you guys feel like there's a large load off your back... or just don't care much. Haha.

... I still think that Vincent is the smoke monster. =D

#323. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 9, 2008 3:54 PM

-262 Wandy: storms reference. Once again, I direct you to Shakespeare's The Tempest.

All posts by ealgumby: I think you are very smart and agree w/almost everything you say. Kinda scary.

A thought about Vincent: Are there Dharma Alpo drops, too? What the heck does that dog eat to survive?

My head hurts. My nose is bleeding. I think Cindy's scarf is strangling me. I need a drink. Meg?

#324. Posted by: lovelost at March 9, 2008 4:08 PM

SOmeone might already have mentioned this, but if you check IMDB.com, under Harold Perrineau, it distinguishes his credits in each episode as either "voice" or it doesn't say "voice". In the next episode, it doesn't say "voice", so he must be in it. Unless it's a trick of the writers. Also, in the preview, the voice-over says something like, "You will see someone who you haven't seen in awhile." Also, he is not the captain, because the Captain is credited as another actor.
Ben let Michael off the island too easily, in my opinion. There has to be a connection.

#325. Posted by: ChristinaLVT at March 9, 2008 4:33 PM

double entendre - pertinent to Lost characters/relationships/plot, and life in general ...

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
...
I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear."

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

#326. Posted by: ealgumby at March 9, 2008 5:03 PM

just a comment...

we all know that whoever Ben's MOTB is, that it would be a reason for Ben to tell Locke that he must sit down for...

but, as someone mentioned way above, that whoever it is, it made Locke feel he no longer needs to keep ben locked up...

if it is michael, why would locke say, 'oh, well here are some clean sheets, go toss some shoes with sawyer'

to me, it just seems ben's MOTB, would be someone that would make locke believe that maybe ben is the right man for bennsyvania...

who really fits that reasoning???
Walt...

#327. Posted by: emmy4hurley at March 9, 2008 5:04 PM

Meant to add to previous post...about the crash. I can't help but think, as someone else suggested, that Ben caused it. Also, no one in the barracks seems particularly alarmed at a plane falling out of the sky. I suppose that ground was covered in the very first ep, but we are reminded about it here again. It's like: "Oh, look. There's a plane falling out of the sky." Ho hum. I'd be horrified!

#328. Posted by: lovelost at March 9, 2008 5:08 PM

@lovelost #324 I'm still here....and oddly enough, stone cold sober! :)I have been staying on the side lines until this whole thing gets sorted out.

Usually I do a rewatch during the weekend, and post a lot of very intruiging things, but got side-tracked during my rewatch. Later tonight....hopefully.

One thing has been bothering me...are we to assume that Ben actually revealed to Locke who this person is...the man on the boat?

#329. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2008 5:22 PM

@lovelost #324 I'm still here....and oddly enough, stone cold sober! :)I have been staying on the side lines until this whole thing gets sorted out.

Usually I do a rewatch during the weekend, and post a lot of very intruiging things :), but got side-tracked during my rewatch. Later tonight....hopefully.

One thing has been bothering me...are we to assume that Ben actually revealed to Locke who this person is...the man on the boat?

#330. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2008 5:22 PM

Sorry for the double post, but I had to add the smiley face after my comment about my own intruiging posts so you all wouldn't think my head has gotten too big. (I must say, I take a lot of pride in the whole scarf fiasco. Sometime if we ever do all meet, that will have to be a secret code-word or something...:)

#331. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2008 5:26 PM

how about syed being the MOTB? we know he's on the boat "now" but what if there has been some time-warp thing going on where ben already knew that syed would be on the boat... we know that syed will eventually become ben's assassin later on.

we know ben was able to travel back and forth from the island, so perhaps he's also can go back and forth in time, too-- alas, these abilities may be one and the same.

but i would love to see michael again, so i'm hoping the MOTB is him.

#332. Posted by: jk at March 9, 2008 5:29 PM

@254 AC asked:

>>"Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw what Sawyer and Hurley were playing."

>What is close?

For horseshoes, one shoe width.

For hand grenades, about 25 yards.

O=============
@256 ealgumby said:

>Finally, not so sure Sayid is "officially" one of the O6 either ... we have not seen "public" confirmation of this.

Cuze and Lindleof said he was and named the first four in a podcast, and said we'd know all six by the end of episode seven (this week's).

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@262 Wandy:

>Also (Sawyer being the man in the coffin) explains why (no) one was at his funeral as Sawyer was a loaner and a Con Man.

I disagree. Hurley would be there.

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Folks, you've really, really got to start watching the "enhanced" show that airs the previous week's show with popups just before the new one. It will settle a lot of arguments. The popups have explicitely told us that Sayid is one of the Oceanic six, as are Jack, Kate, and Hurley. The popups have been silent on Aaron, and have not even acknowledged that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron, although Evangeline Lilly certainly seems to think so, from her recent Vidio Podcast on the ABC website.

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@317 SamFin:

>Cecil and others how about a 5 7 5 on that!
>p.s. I'm older then Cecil and that means if I went back in time there wouldn't be a phone to call Penny on ! that's creepy!

So who's older, you or DavidRH? As I recall, he beats me by a few months.

I recently watched a Raleigh Fire Captain give a fire safety presentation to a bunch of Junior Girl Scouts (7-11 years old) and when she said "and what do you do next?" (after getting out of the burning house) she gave a hint with a little dialing motion of her finger. After the presentation I had to call her on that one - I seriously doubt that any of these girls has ever seen that motion used to dial a phone.

And see next post below.

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@318 pebsgonepostal said:

>Back when Dan asked Regina to send him the payload, Jack asked Frank what Dan was doing and Frank's reply was something like 'he did that all the time on the ship.'

>So, where were the payloads going? I don't think he was crashing them back into the ship. Could there be two ships?

I don't think Frank meant so much "launching payloads" as "running screwy physics experiments".

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@DocH: You're abso-tootin-lootely right. No Ethan in the last episode. I was so fixated on noticing Mrs. Goodwin and saying to myself "She wasn't in the scene before." that I guess I just hallucinated Ethan standing there beside Goodwin.

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@ ilovebenjaminlinusxx:

Yes, that same scene was what made me go back and start watching "Chuck" when somebody mentioned it here. I think it was episode two, though.

#333. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 9, 2008 5:40 PM

Posting on topic,
Leads us to enlightenment,
Joy, Dharma, kharma.

Best stick to the path
Leave mundanity behind
Achieve one with Lost

Positivity
Begets positivity
On island or off.

#334. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 9, 2008 5:48 PM

lol, I was just looking back in the posts, and I was sad for a minute...thought you were all referring to ME as Boozy.

#239 @hurling....some of my observations the other night were okay, if you could get through my typos! (I really need a breathilizer installed on my keyboard) I'm really thinking about that class though..:)

@clementine #242 lol, thanks for mentioning that. It's funny, when I watch the show I always wonder how you all will react to certain things.

Where is ButchM?? I have read the posts, back and forth a bit...haven't heard from him in a while. Butch?? Still there?

#335. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2008 5:57 PM

@ Cecil Rose
Yes, I'm sorry. I should have corrected myself. I was watching them and I couldn't remember if it was the first episode or the second, but then I went back and it was the second.

To all: Ep. 102 had the Oceanic flight 815 thing in it.

Once again, I am sorry for the mistake.

It was kinda funny though.

#336. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 9, 2008 6:09 PM

>>>Certainly there has been misdirection in this show, but come on! You gotta take some things at face value.
→ 285. Posted by: shikotee at March 8, 2008 08:34 PM

Absolutely! For me, the speculation is always more interesting when it’s grounded in some “constants,” especially those given to us by the producers (e.g., Dead is dead, the island is not purgatory, time jump narratives within an episode are in chronological order, no paradox or alternate realities or parallel universes, Mac loves the Red Sox). Well, that last one didn’t come from the producers, but it is undeniable.

While I’m amazed and energized by the creativity of the comments here, my personal favorite theories maintain the balance between creativity and common sense.

The principle of Occam's Razor applies: “the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.” Or, all things being equal, the simplest answer is most often correct.

So, common sense compels me to believe that Michael is on the freighter. This is obviously the perfect opportunity for his character to be reintroduced, Ben didn’t give out the 325 coordinates randomly, it would create too many tangents in the storyline for Michael and Walt to be “rescued” by anyone else, it would be quite a stretch to imagine they made it to land in that little boat and started a new life without any publicity, and we know they are not going to die, never to be seen again (or Harold Perrineau has the best agent ever, if he’s pulling down a paycheck with no obligation to appear on screen again!)

I also agree with everyone who said it would NOT make sense for Michael or Walt or Sayid or Desmond to be Ben’s connection on the boat, as they would not be trusted with inside information by the freighter crew. So, whether or not Ben is telling Locke that Michael is his “man on the boat,” he would also have another spy working for him. That person would need to have been aboard the freighter at least since it last docked in Fiji, but probably longer, eliminating anyone we’ve seen on the island recently (Richard Alpert, Mikhail). And because the calendar indicates that the date on the freighter is close to, if not the same, as the date on the island, we can eliminate any wacky alternate timelines where Locke or Ben would be the “man on the boat.” (Unless Ben can project himself to be in two places at once and let’s just not go there at this point.)

From all the speculation here, that leaves us with Helen. Last we saw that dear lady, she was firmly rejecting Locke’s proposal in a parking lot after the World’s Biggest Patsy choose to help his father and lie to her again. And after Locke made the swan dive, courtesy of Papa Locke, we know that he was playing make-believe with a phone operator who was his stand-in for Helen. So, we can probably assume they had no reconciliation before Locke set off for his Walkabout. How would Helen know anything about the island or the freighter? She wouldn’t have Penny’s inside connection. And Ben's connection on the freighter would need a cover for being there. And I just can’t see Helen being freighter crew material.

So that leaves me with… ???

•Michael and Walt are on the boat.
•Ben’s connection is someone we don’t know yet.
•Michael and Walt are the final two of the Oceanic Six. (Aaron is not one of the Six).

That’s my story and I’m sticking with it. Until I change my mind, which could happen just like...

Oh, but what about Sun? A natural progression of her storyline would involve leaving the island to save her unborn baby. But that means I have to eliminate Michael or Walt as one of the Six.

Okay, so what if Walt died? If he was dead, that might explain his apparitions, as we’ve seen a few other dead people running around (Christian Shephard, Eko’s brother, Charlie). Maybe something happened to Walt before Michael got to the freighter or Widmore’s baddies killed him. Or maybe Walt’s not dead, but he and Aaron will be secretly transported off the island for research purposes, so they’re not officially included in the Oceanic Six...

Back to the drawing board :)

#337. Posted by: Clementine at March 9, 2008 6:24 PM

Ok! Whew.....just read all 328 posts on this site and several hundreds on other sites, and i haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but... Everyone assumes that when Harper tells Juliette "You look just like her," she means either Annie, Ben's mother or some other "her" we haven't met yet.
As for me, I believe she means Ben's mother. (Thanks to the painting in Ben's home.)
If Harper is talking about Annie, how does she even know what Annie looks like as an adult? To assume this, then Harper must have some deep background knowledge of Ben and the island's past. She either knows about Annie from when Ben was a child, or she knows about Annie surviving/not surviving the Purge, or she knows that Annie died while carrying Ben's child.
Any thoughts?
BTW - this is my first post here. I just found this site yesterday, and I love Mac's insights. Wish I'd have found it sooner.

#338. Posted by: Lee at March 9, 2008 6:25 PM

To all the new posters:

Welcome. I know how hard it was to post for the first time myself a couple of seasons ago. It's scary, throwing your thoughts out among a bunch of strangers.

But mac has done an extraordinary jopb of developing an easygoing and friendly attitude here, and we posters try to do the same. So come on in, the ambience is fine. Pretty soon you'll be another familiar friend.

And just a word about posting, if this is your first experience with the blog format. When you add a message to the end here, you're in effect causing the whole blog to be re-written. It can take a little while, especially when the number of messages grows large. After you hit the "Post" button, IE may not even show the little blue "progress" line for a while after you hit the button. Hold your fire. Hitting the "Post" button again when it didn't seem to 'take' is the reason for the multiple identical posts you will see here occasionally.

So welcome, newcomers, we all were new here once. I've recently re-read the whole blog, (season 1 is easy, season 3, not so much), and it's amazing how many new people keep finding this great place. (Either that, or people keep changing their screen names.)

Oh, and if you just want to chat about anything that may not necesarily be Lost-related, mac provided us with a "Random Topic" area over in Lost News (See the top right of his blog) where *nothing* is off-topic. We mostly use it in the off-season, but I still post over there occasionally even now.

#339. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 9, 2008 6:56 PM

@337 Clementine said:

>(Unless Ben can project himself to be in two places at once and let’s just not go there at this point.)

The only thing that gives me pause here is those two "Rabbit 15's" in the Orchid orientation film. I wonder when we're actually going to see it in the show context?

The Orchid film also strikes me as sort of cheating, since obviously unplanned things happen in the middle of it and the narrator starts all over again. An orientation film left behind in a hatch for the Losties to discover would have had all the unplanned events edited out.

Maybe it's a Dharma AV geeks' "best of outtakes" film? ) You shold see the one they show at parties at the AF Flight Test Center at Edwards AFB.)

#340. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 9, 2008 7:10 PM

→ 337.by:Clementine "And I just can’t see Helen being freighter crew material."
Come on! Peg Bundy not a freighter tot?
Sure, she wouldn't be "the cook". But her appetite for hunky man-love could be an attribute on a long voyage.

Alright. Not Peg Bundy then. How about this Regina we keep hearing on the SatPhone? She's my candidate for BBOTB - Bens' Babe On The Boat.

#341. Posted by: DocH at March 9, 2008 7:14 PM

@311

way to go Tito keep the line moving

#342. Posted by: lostsox at March 9, 2008 7:19 PM

****Maybe spoilers (not sure but...)****

Saw some high def pics of "The Constant" and in Dan's book we can see a few references to Space Time, Real Time, Imaginary Time, Time, Space, Imaginary space and so on...

All this opens the door to multiple "time-travel" possibilities:

Change time but not space (I think this what Eloise did), change space but not time (Des in the beginning of his side effect), change time and space (Des in flashes before your eyes) and finaly what maybe some of the others can do (including Ben : change space only (Harper in the last Epi) one second you're there, the other you're not.

Would explain alot of stuff....


#343. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 9, 2008 7:23 PM

About this... Regina on the SatPhone as Ben's spy. The 'sit down' portion of the Ben/Locke chat was... that his spy on the boat had informed him, before he left the Others, that Mike & Walt are being held prisoner on the freighter and had not gotten back to freedom. Locke would want to sit down for that. Ben was released because he promised Locke he would help get Mike & Walt back (free).
Now here is the twist. Ben, the man with the never-ending plan, actually sent Mike & Walt towards the freighter, instructing his spy to make sure they were caught.

@Cecil: Edwards Flight Test videos anything like "Tail Hook" vids? [:^O

#344. Posted by: DocH at March 9, 2008 7:33 PM

@Prosecutor67/343

"I thought I said that ..." (channeling "Bones")

#345. Posted by: ealgumby at March 9, 2008 7:38 PM

@Cecil Rose: Thanks for the first-timer post. Excellent points throughout!

And since we're on the topic -- I'd also like to extend a hearty welcome to all newcomers and new posters (I've noticed a number of first time/long time folks coming out of the woodwork this year, which is fantastic!).

The folks who contribute to the comments have made this a very special place, but what impresses me most -- beyond the great thoughts and theories -- is that everyone is so welcoming and considerate. It really is incredible.

#346. Posted by: mac at March 9, 2008 7:57 PM

@lostsox: That's why I'm here! (Total tangent, but since you're a fellow Sox fan ... do you ever get a chance to listen to the Whiner Line on WEEI? The Francona impersonator is classic).

#347. Posted by: mac at March 9, 2008 7:59 PM

There's another Lost timeline at lost.cubit.net (Sledgeweb's Lost), although it only goes up to day 65 (Nov 25). I was comparing it to the one at lostpedia and they match up pretty well until day 49. That's where lostpedia's gets 2 days ahead.

Sledgeweb has day 49 starting with Shannon's burial and ending with Eko and Charlie burning the drug plane. Lostpedia splits this into two days (49-50).

Sledgweb has day 50 starting with Michael locking up Jack and Locke in the armory and taking off and ending with Locke, Saywer, Jack, and Kate having their confrontation with Tom (Zeke). Lostpedia has no day 51 and puts these events on day 52.

So that would account for the difference of 2 days on Lostpedia's timeline. I think perhaps they're wrong and Sledgeweb is correct.

In Season 3, Ep. 21 "Greatest Hits", Jack says "For 90 days I've been asked to make decisions for this entire camp. There you go. I just made one." when he made his plan to ambush the Others with dynamite. Lostpedia has this event falling on day 92.

#348. Posted by: ardie at March 9, 2008 8:03 PM

When Juliet says, "Trust me Jack, you don't want to see my file." I wonder what else she could be referring to. There's a whole lot more to her story, and I am quite positive she doesn't get off the island at all. Maybe why Jack is so crazy in the future.

Was Goodwin really that oblivious about Ben? I wonder if he was always on the island, or brought there like Juliet. Just a minor observation, probably nothing.

Maybe the MOTB is Locke himself..has anyone considered this...I am sure it has been discussed earlier, but think about it. Maybe these people on the island can exist in two times for some reason. Idk, I can suggest the theories, and it's up to ya'll to poke holes in them.

#349. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2008 8:03 PM

Wow! Lots of posts...

Ben's man on the boat:

My guess is Kelvin. He knows BOTH Sayid and Desmond. He tells Desmond that he buried Radzinski in 108 minutes. Desmond had to rush back to push the button after killing? (TKO) Kelvin.

The guy that plays Eko is filming in the GI Joe movie.
Future Sayid? This is not Heroes. LOL

I think the chick who jumps off the boat is Regina. not Claire (as mentioned earlier). I think Zoe Bell is the actress' name. She was a stunt gal in Kill Bill. Make sense?

Please keep in mind that these are my guesses and I would not want to ever spoil someone's experience. I hate when someone does things like that (I don't read them) but if I were to ever accidently read a spoiler, I'd keep quiet.

nice comments guys!! I love reading everyones posts!!

#350. Posted by: Mr.Eko237 at March 9, 2008 8:23 PM

The more I think about Michael being the MOTB, the more I disagree. Who knows, I may be eating crow with mac. It's just too predictable. Makes too much sense, and this show doesn't make much sense. Locke knows who it is, and it had to be so mind-boggling (sp?) that he would let Ben "go". Or, maybe it's Walt....that would make more sense. Anyway, either Walt or Locke himself, but Michaeal doesn't have the gusto to be the "man". Sorry, but his character was sort of wimpy to me.

On another note, is there anyway to edit out a scene on dvr? I can't watch Ben walk over that hill again. Why did they do that to him??!!

#351. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2008 8:26 PM

Could it be Miles on the boat?
When Miles went to Ben and offered that deal of the 3.2M, that had to be a code.
Was he just letting him know he is on the island.
They both are saying the are right where they want to be.
This would surprise Locke and also cause him to let Ben go after confirming.
Assuming that grenade hasn't slipped out of his mouth

#352. Posted by: btly at March 9, 2008 8:37 PM

Another theory to go with the Michael-as-MOTB theory....the episode after this week's is named "Meet Kevin Johnson" and we know that the Captain's name is Captain Gault, so he's not Kevin Johnson. ABC's episode description says the episode involves Sayid meeting Ben's spy on the boat, so maybe Michael (and Walt) intercepted the boat (on purpose - Ben's doing) or by accident, and gave them false names out of suspicion that they were not a rescue boat. Did that make sense?

#353. Posted by: ChristinaLVT at March 9, 2008 8:57 PM

Oh boy, are we going Ayn Rand? Is "Captain Gault" a literary ref to John Galt?

"Suffering as such is not a value, only man's fight against it is."

#354. Posted by: ealgumby at March 9, 2008 9:27 PM

"xx" means "kiss kiss". We forgive you!

#355. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 9, 2008 10:25 PM

So who is Ben's MOTB? Logically, it would appear to be Michael; second most likely candidate would be Walt. Harold Perrineau appears in the credits, further bolstering the likelihood of Michael. The only two people who have sailed away from the island & not returned, å la Des, have been Michael & Walt. TPTB have said that when you die on the island, you stay dead, which would seem to eliminate Boone etc. (Yes, I know Nikki's eyes were open at the end of her burial scene, but realistically, even if she was fully conscious & able to move to dig off many pounds of dirt, why wouldn't she have let the pallbearers know she was alive? She had no reason to fake her death.) Michael & Walt are the only two people whose presence on the freighter would have surprised Locke, which would seem to eliminate Regina, Frank, Charlotte, & Dan. Revealing Miles to be the MOTB would be the only other person I can think of that would surprise Locke, & the whole awkward $3.2 million conversation does reinforce a link between Ben & Miles. A real dark horse would be Mikhail—technically, he wasn't on the island when he blew in the porthole on the Looking Glass & we didn't see what happened to him afterwards, so he could fall into a "resurrected" category.

Next...The Other Woman. That title works on a number of levels, no? Juliet was a woman of the Others. She was the other woman in Goodwin & Harper's marriage, & the other woman in Ben & whoever's relationship (whether it was Annie or Ben's mother; if it's Ben's mother, I can see major Oedipal issues here). Currently she's the other woman in the Jack-Kate semi-relationship. Also, the implication in the term "the other woman" as it's used in the real world is that she's not supposed to be there—she's an interloper & not wanted. Is this a bit of foreshadowing for Juliet's future—she's not wanted by anyone?

As other posters have mentioned, Juliet does seem to go from meek, shy, & passive when she first arrives on the island to cool, unflappable, ninja-esque woman in present-day island time. When & why & from whom would she have learned these skills?

Can Juliet really be trusted by the Lostaways? As Mac said right off, it sure seems like she can be...but if not, he denies knowledge of ever saying that. ; ) We saw Juliet be branded & exiled from the Others, & there sure doesn't seem to be any love lost between Juliet & Ben, so it would seem that she has no reason to be associated w/the Others. But she was supposed to betray the tents of the Lostaways' pregnant woman to the Others' raiding party. Yes, she confessed it to the Lostaways & enabled them to not only foil the raiding party but turn them into Otherkill, but suppose that confession was all part of a long con to gain the trust of the Lostaways? I could see Ben still holding power over Juliet by telling her that he'll cause harm to Rachel & Julian (Juliet's sister & nephew) if she (Juliet) doesn't do what he wants. Her persona in this episode was grim & joyless, as though what she was doing was the last thing she really wanted to do.

Moving on to Locke & Ben...I can only second/third/fourth the posters who have said Locke's a fool. (He's not a very likable fool either IMHO.) While we find it plausible that Charles Widmore is the man behind the freighter because we know that he bought the journal from the Black Rock, Locke has no way of knowing that. Why would Locke trust what Ben says? That videotape of Widmore beating up someone means...exactly nothing. If Locke were looking at it logically, it's a video of (to him) an unknown man beating up another unknown man in an unknown location at an unknown time. All he has is Ben's word that that's what's going on in the video. Doesn't Locke find it rather suspicious that Ben keeps pulling these rabbits out of his hat? (Gee, that metaphor works well here.) And why would Locke believe Ben when he says that if his people wanted him back, they'd have come to get him? Ben's proven repeatedly that he lies like a rug. And did Locke check around the basement that he used as Ben's jail cell? If I remember correctly, that was Ben's own basement. There could be a dozen hidden ways in & out of the basement that Richard "Eyeliner" Alpert & other Others could know about & could be used to sneak information into Ben & take orders away.

Someone mentioned above that Sawyer would be the one to lead the insurrection against Locke. It could be, but I'm thinking it could also be Hurley, the moral conscience of the Lostaways. It would also be a mirror image of what happened when the Lostaways split between Jack's people of reason & Locke's people of faith, & could be why Hurley is so remorseful about choosing to follow Locke.

Finally, what about Penny? Is she good or bad? Working w/or against her dad? My opinion is that she's good. As shikotee (I think you were the first poster to say that) said, some things you just have to take at face value. Whether she knows yet that her dad is not a good guy I don't know. I also don't know that she knows that the no. she's calling or the frequency she's transmitting on is going to the freighter. Perhaps the Looking Glass transmission that Charlie intercepted was one of Penny's attempts to contact the no./transmission that keeps going to the freighter. If Penny does turn out to be a bad'un, I'll be heading to the store for a choco-hat!

#356. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 9, 2008 11:17 PM

re:→356.by:Alaïs_Longthought
Great summary. You and mac should do a point-counterpoint blog. While I agree and/or understand all of your points, let me offer this... your Ben vs. Locke argument lacks a certain "shade of gray". Why would Locke entrust in Ben? Mostly because they come from the same belief system... they know and trust (on faith) in Jacob... the island... the mysteries... the powers, etc... They have both experienced and witnessed these things. That is their bond and the basis for further action. Ben shot Locke and now Locke is willing to meet Ben in negotiation because Bens' action was reversed. Maybe the entire shooting was a test of faith (for a man of faith)... know any good parables for that?
ps. great summary.

#357. Posted by: DocH at March 9, 2008 11:44 PM

@337 Posted by: Clementine

Thanks for the back-up! I was starting to feel like I was way too much of a theory nazi! "No speculation for you!"

re: Michael

The fact that Harold Perrineau's name has been in the credits since S4 e1 is the sure sign that he will be popping up at some point, and being on the freighter seems the most logical.

He may or may not be BMOB, and if I had to guess, I would think not, just to keep things interesting!

My guess is that Michael and Walt did escape from the island, and Widmore somehow tracks him down, and forces him to help track down the island.

I doubt that Walt will be on the freighter - though if we see Malcolm David Kelley's name in the credits, I could be wrong.

The actor has to be pretty big now, and they would have to explain how he could grow so fast. I could see him in a flash forward though, or as an astral projection.

Speaking of astral projection...

After watching S2 (definitely the weakest season thus far), I was once again captivated by the goals of the Dharma Initiative. The swan orientation film mentions various fields of study: meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, electromagnetism, and Utopian Social...

I started to think about the stations we have seen, and how they relate to this.

Pearl - psychology
Swan - electromagnetism
Hydra - zoology

We've heard the whispers, we've seen the ghosts, dreams, and Jacob's cabin - could this be the parapsychology connection?

From Lost-Pedia:

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Parapsychology is the study of the evidence of mental awareness or influence of external objects without interaction from known physical means. Most objects of study fall within the realm of "mind-to-mind" influence (such as extra-sensory perception, folie a deux and telepathy), "mind-to-environment" influence (such as psychokinesis and remote viewing) and "environment-to-mind" (such as hauntings and near death experiences). Collectively, these abilities are often referred to as "psionics".

____________________

Miles clearly has some sort of an ability. Walt too. Could Ben have some sort of ability?

#358. Posted by: shikotee at March 10, 2008 12:39 AM

Not sure if the preview for next week is considered a spoiler but:

*******SPOILER*******
Didn't the preview show Sayid looking very surprised at whoever he was seeing on the freighter. It would only make sense that Sayid knows whoever is on the freighter. That would leave out Helen and of course my theory of it being Randy. This would leave Michael but, it just seems too easy and I have a problem with Michael being trusted by the freghter tots. They know him at most a month and give him enough info to let Ben know what is going on? I don't see it. As for Ben telling Locke that Michael is on the boat, but not his contact, it just doesn't make sense. Locke asked him who his contact was, and I would think Ben would answer only that question. Sorry for rambling.

#359. Posted by: Not an Other at March 10, 2008 2:00 AM

@344 DocH asked:

>@Cecil: Edwards Flight Test videos anything like "Tail Hook" vids? [:^O

Not in the least. More like "all the harriest, scariest moments from flight test", from a base where every street is named after a deceased test pilot.

#360. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 10, 2008 7:29 AM

re: C324
... under Harold Perrineau, it distinguishes his credits in each episode as either "voice" or it doesn't say "voice".
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perhaps they used his "voice" as one of the channels in the island "whispers" we have heard.

#361. Posted by: ANON2 at March 10, 2008 9:05 AM

Man in Charles Widmore video getting a kicking - Sayid. The time on the island is very different to the time off the island.

#362. Posted by: Jules at March 10, 2008 10:48 AM

Random comments:

The funnniest line no one has mentioned yet:

After Jack asks Juliet about Harper and is told she was Juliet's therapist:

"Seemed kinda hostile, even for a therapist."

o-----------------

On the Orchid orientation film, whenver we *do* get to see it in context:

At the rate the various technologies in each hatch are progresing, I'm expecting the Orchid video to be on DVD, or at least CD.

o----------

I want to point that I speculated a year ago the reason women on the island couldn't survive pregnancy was the same reason people healed so quickly from anything that didn't outright kill them - somthing on the island hyperstimulated the immune system, which treated the fetus as an outside invader. From this week's episode:

"JULIET: The problem occurs somewhere during the second trimester, when the mother's immune system is triggered. The white blood cell count plummets. It's like the... immune system turns on the fetus."

#363. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 10, 2008 11:55 AM

-337Clementine and all others re: BMOTB If Ben gave Michael the coordinates to specifically get him to the freighter, then both Michael & Walt are on the boat. However, Walt would be "Ben's man", as he's the one with mystical powers, and even though the freighters know they were on 815, they would likely be wary of Michael, but would have no reason to suspicion Walt, a mere "child". That would really surprise Locke, too, as he would recall Walt standing above his "grave", and things might start making more sense to him (in that LOST way).

-357DocH. I agree w/why Locke would entrust Ben. And I also still think Locke knows exactly what he's doing, just like Ben is exactly where he wants to be.

Meg, great idea of using "Cindy's scarf" as a password.

#364. Posted by: lovelost at March 10, 2008 12:29 PM

@363

"At the rate the various technologies in each hatch are progresing, I'm expecting the Orchid video to be on DVD, or at least CD."

I doubt that Orchid training will be on DVD. What year did DVD's come out?

I read somewhere that one of the reasons why the swan uses film reel is due to the magnetism, which could damage a tape recording. This does make sense....

Who knows - the Orchid could be built just before the purge, so maybe it would have newer technology?

#365. Posted by: shikotee at March 10, 2008 12:38 PM

Mac
yea, but the BIG show crew are even funnier impersonating talk show hosts.
glad Heathcliff left you behind - what happens inside of 128.....

#366. Posted by: lostsox at March 10, 2008 12:42 PM

Just FYI, I know who Ben's "man" on the boat is...

It's Locke's ex: Beggy Bundy!!

Discuss.

#367. Posted by: Lost-confused at March 10, 2008 1:29 PM

Just FYI, I know who Ben's "man" on the boat is...

It's Locke's ex: Peggy Bundy!!

Discuss.

#368. Posted by: Lost-confused at March 10, 2008 1:29 PM

No way that it is Peg Bundy.

On that note, Leela could have a chance ;)

Nothing wrong with bringing in a cyclops into the Lost Odysseus mythology...

#369. Posted by: shikotee at March 10, 2008 1:39 PM

How many freaking hatches are there?
The Bunny mansion hatch?
The Fear and Loathing Hatch?
The rehab hatch?
The transgender hatch?
The Cialis Hatch?
The Restless legs syndrome hatch?

Sheesh!

#370. Posted by: katespanties at March 10, 2008 2:10 PM

Could Charlotte be BMOTB?

The debate of the week seems to be whether or not Michael is (or should be) Bens man on the boat (BMOTB). When I posted my odds earlier, I had him as an even money favorite. Although I'm standing by Michael as my pick for BMOTB, I am now hedging my bet by lowering the odds on Charlotte to 2-1.

Here's my case for why it may be Charlotte.

1) She was there when Ben announced that he has someone on the boat. After she was traded for Miles, wouldn't her first instinct be to communicate this back to the freighter? Or to Faraday?

2) Miles stated that the primary objective is to retrieve Ben, yet Charlotte showed no sign of even recognizing him when Locke took her captive.

3) Ben shooting directly into her bulletproof vest just seemed way too convenient, and quite possibly staged.

4) Of all the people handpicked by Abbadon, her back story of digging up a Dharma Polar Bear Collar suggests a stronger connection to the island mythology than either a ghost whisperer, bodyguard, or former oceanic pilot.

5) If I were Ben and had a spy on the freighter, I would do whatever I could to make sure that he (or she) was part of the group that landed on the island. May not have been possible, but who is better than Ben at pulling strings or orcestrating events to play out in his favor.

6) Ben's extensive detailed knowledge of Charlotte's background when he exposed her to team Locke also seemed too convenient. We know how resourceful Ben is, but still... Is this amount of detailed info something he would be able to obtain from a source on the freighter? Even if so, I just don't see Michael as the one providing the names and backgrounds of Charlotte's parents. Also, after running through Charlotte's info, he simply stated the first and last names of the rest of her team.

#371. Posted by: vacc at March 10, 2008 2:12 PM

Could Mikhail have gotten all that detailed info on Charlotte? Maybe Ben knew who was on the boat from his "man on the boat" and if Mikhail were still around at the time, he seemed pretty good at getting dates, names etc. on people (remember all his info on Jack). I've lost count of the days since Patchy swam off to the great big ocean in the sky.

#372. Posted by: Rudy at March 10, 2008 2:23 PM

Going backwards in time through the posts:

@vacc #371: No doubt in my mind that Charlotte is up to no good for somebody. But is she Widmore's baddie or Ben's spy? I don't know. All I know is, Michael is on that gosh-darn, boat, gosh darnit! Until I change my mind again ;)

@shikotee #369: I thought Mikhail was our cyclops? Maybe Leela could be Penny to his Des ;)

@Lost-confused #367/368: We discussed Helen at length further on up the blog. I agree with Shikotee: That's a negative, brutha. You can find my reasoning at #337.

@lovelost #364: Your post made me consider Ben's method of contacting his "man on the boat." I don't think the writers will use a paranormal interface for Ben and his spy at this point. That's another reason I don't think it's Walt. It's almost too easy to give Ben the ability to communicate telepathically. Let's make the little megalomaniac work for it :)

Which leads me to the star of "Days of Our Lost," Harper Stanhope. I think she was an incarnation of the island or Smokey or maybe Jacob. I don't think she was sent or projected directly by Ben.

@Cecil #363: Good call on why the mother's system rejects the fetus. Maybe your consciousness time-traveled to 2008. I just started to watch "Live Together, Die Alone" again. Jumping into an episode out-of-order, I was very surprised that Sun was pregnant. Good golly, that was the 2nd season finale, and here we are mid-4th season and she's still not showing ;)

"Seemed kinda hostile, even for a therapist."

I don't even remember that line. Do you think the writers were giving us a clue that Harper is a "Hostile" like Richard Alpert. One of the old ones that helped in Ben's overthrow of Dharma. I read somewhere that she had a Hanso foundation logo on her diploma in the background, though.

@Jules #362: I don't even have HDTV, and I could tell ya the man in the video getting the beat-down was not Sayid. If anybody, I think he more closely resembled Desmond. Personally, I thought he looked like Jon Stewart :)

@shikotee/The Theory Nazi #358: "No speculation for you!" HA!

@Alais #356: Mmnn, nummy, choco-hat! (In my best Homer Simpson voice.)

@ardie #348: Great summary of the timeline discrepancies. Thanks.

Can't go back any farther... nose is bleeding... must find a constant...

#373. Posted by: Clementine at March 10, 2008 2:36 PM

"293. Posted by: JMY at March 8, 2008 10:35 PM

Just a small note - Harper Stanhope is an anagram for Pharoah Serpent or Pharaoh Repents. Just found it interesting since the Dharma Polar bear was found in Egypt."

Uhhh, that should be "Tunisia" - not "Egypt".

#374. Posted by: Len at March 10, 2008 3:27 PM

@ DocH #357: Thanks for the compliment! Mac is the LOST blog god, though...

I do agree w/your assessment that both Locke & Ben have experienced the mystical powers of the island in one or more forms & that this constitutes a bond between them. The major problem I have w/the Locke-Ben relationship is that Ben has repeatedly played w/Locke (how many meals/dishes has Locke smashed after a head-game encounter w/Ben?), yet Locke comes back for more each time. It reminds me of Charlie Brown always being willing to try to kick his football when Lucy's the holder. What will wake up Locke to the realization that he's forever following Ben's plan...because as Ben said, he's always got a plan. So my very negative view of Locke stems from my frustration w/his inability to see what's really going on.

On the topic of Locke & Ben, whatever Ben told Locke when he told him to sit down must have been a real doozy to persuade Locke to let Ben out of his cell. Maybe Ben revealed more information than just the name of his "man on the boat."

I agree w/the previous posters who have pointed out that the freighter's crew would have no reason to trust Michael, but if Michael were being blackmailed somehow by Ben (a threat to Walt? the threat of being revealed as a murderer when he returns to the real world? does anyone know that Michael killed A-L & Libby?), he could be on the freighter w/instructions to find out whatever he can. If we do find Michael on the freighter (which seems likely), I would suspect that Ben has a second MOTB who's been w/the crew longer. Ben operates wheels within wheels...

Another random thought: Maybe each of the Freighterous Four had a different mission? Or some of them had hidden missions that weren't revealed to other members of the crew? For example, Naomi was the leader of the team & she was entrusted w/finding out if Des was on the island, but none of the others knew that. Miles & Frank were looking for Ben. Daniel's main purpose was to disable the Tempest & run physics experiments on the side. Charlotte? Maybe something totally nefarious that hasn't yet been revealed.

Speaking of Charlotte, vacc #371 makes an excellent case for Charlotte being Ben's MOTB (or WOTB). Perhaps she's a double agent—working for both DHARMA & Ben. To whom is she most loyal?

And Cecil Rose #363, good call on the immune system/pregnant woman issue. Are you sure you're not one of the writers? ; )

Clementine #373, I agree w/your comment that it's too easy for Ben to be getting his boat information from a telepathic connection to Walt...also w/your assessment of Ben as a megalomaniac!

#375. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 10, 2008 3:36 PM

@373 my darlin' Clementine wrote:

>>"Seemed kinda hostile, even for a therapist."

>I don't even remember that line. Do you think the writers were giving us a clue that Harper is a "Hostile" like Richard Alpert.

I think most people missed it because they were laughing at Juliet's immediately preceding line:

JACK: That woman--what was her name?

JULIET: Harper.

JACK: The two of you friends?

JULIET: Not exactly. She was my therapist.

JACK: You people had therapists?

JULIET: It's very stressful being an Other, Jack.

JACK: Seemed kinda hostile, even for a therapist.
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It's that "even for a therapist" that gets me.

#376. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 10, 2008 3:51 PM

@ Alaïs_Longthought - 356
I completely agree with everything you said. Well put.

@ vacc - 371
You do make an excellent case for why Charlotte could be Ben's "man on the boat"... I also think Mikhail is a good candidate as well.

@ Cecil Rose - 363
"I want to point that I speculated a year ago the reason women on the island couldn't survive pregnancy was the same reason people healed so quickly from anything that didn't outright kill them - somthing on the island hyperstimulated the immune system, which treated the fetus as an outside invader. From this week's episode:

"JULIET: The problem occurs somewhere during the second trimester, when the mother's immune system is triggered. The white blood cell count plummets. It's like the... immune system turns on the fetus." "

... Great point! Pure genius.
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Wow... you guys are amazing. I honestly admire a lot of you.

I love the mix of perspectives and ideas that everyone shares.

I'm really glad I started writing on this blog, thanks everyone!

...But I still don't think that Aaron is one of the six. =D (Evil?)

and @ PiecesofArzt - 355
Thanks! I'm still sorry about that!

Now I have Chris Brown in my head. =P

#377. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 10, 2008 4:13 PM

Sorry....out of town up in ATL for the weekend. I'm jealous that I missed out on so much Scarf-talk and intriguing commentary. But here's a couple tidbits:

@ mac: I love embracing homewreckers!!

-When Ben is serving his succulent swine (piece of himself?), he says to Jules "Who are we to question the lists?". Has this been discussed? Did we decide/learn that these lists come from Jacob? Who?

-At the end of the beating of the man captured by Widmore, he looks up at the camera before it cuts off. This leads me to believe that it was a set-up. It was almost like he looked up and expected to hear someone say 'CUT'. We all know Ben is 'right where he wants to be'....so why in the heck should any of us believe that what he told Locke about Widmore/the tape/man on the boat holds any truths? My guess is that they are pro'ly working together somehow.

-I'll make a guess about BMOTB that I haven't seen yet. What about Richard Alpert? This would a) shock Locke so he'd have to sit down, and b) please Locke to the point that he would be willing to allow Ben to roam around. Why you ask? (Please tell us RNM, Please!!) Well Richard Alpert once upon a time helped out John Locke when he was in a tough bind. By providing Locke the information necessary in Sawyers file to put the wheels in motion and help Locke 'kill his father'. That worked out pretty good.

-It's pro'ly Michael though, which is cool w/ me.

-If it's future Sayid then I'll a)be blown away, and b) pro'ly poop a little in my pants.

@ meg/#230: meg drunk sound fairly interesting. Hi...I'm RNM...I like to get drunk too...A LOT! Chocolate...just ok.

@ ealgumby/#296: No matter what anybody claims...I own Cindy's Scarf!!

-I'll venture to guess that the chained up chick that jumps off the freighter is Regina....I paused and slo-moed and couldn't recognize her at all.

Alright, that's good for now. Good talk Russ!

#378. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 10, 2008 4:34 PM

@375/Alaïs_Longthought "...the threat of [Michael] being revealed as a murderer when he returns to the real world? does anyone know that Michael killed A-L & Libby?)"

Although Michael actually did it (and shot himself to cover), the Losties believe that Benry killed Anna Lucia and Libby ("Two for the Road") as he escaped the Swan. Therefore, the only reason Michael has to fear returning to the island is due to his betrayal in giving up Jack, Kate, and Sawyer to the Others. But in returning, he then has the cover story of, "Well, I did it all so that I could go get help and we could all be rescued." Which, BTW, is the same story Jack gave for attempting to leave on the sub.

#379. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 10, 2008 4:36 PM

@ bcre8ve/#379: Sorry bro, but they already know Michael killed A-L and Libby. This is from Lostpedia:

Out in the jungle, Michael and his team encountered a large bird that swooped down on them. Michael attempted to shoot it by reflex and realized that his magazine was empty, and when Jack offered to reload the weapon, Michael realized that Jack was suspicious of his motives. The team was scouted by two of the Others, one of whom Sawyer killed. The surviving Other ran from the group, which made all but Jack and Michael fearful that the Others would find out their plan. Jack then revealed that the Others have already been warned, explaining to the team that Michael had betrayed them. He apologized and pleaded for their understanding, but none of them could forgive him for his actions, particularly Hurley who forced Michael to admit his part in Ana-Lucia and Libby's deaths. As the team moved through the jungle, they were ambushed by the Others at the capsule dump, all of them taken hostage. The group was moved to the Pala Ferry, where Henry Gale showed his authority as the apparent leader of the Others. ("Live Together, Die Alone")

#380. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 10, 2008 4:51 PM

Oops, I kinda forgot about all that. So at least Hurley, James, Kate, and Jack know. So much for that theory. I'll blame it all on the Hurley bird that had just made an appearance. I was so bedazzled by it crapping gold...

[8^p

#381. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 10, 2008 5:02 PM

@ Red...Neck...Man - 378
Great points!

The one about Ben and Mr. Widmore working together definitely seems possible. However, considering the current and the future flashes, it's probably unlikely.

I like you're whole Richard Alpert theory.

And for a grammar correction:
"That worked out pretty good."
Not "good", "well".

Sorry... I had to. I'm a grammar freak.

And nice save with the Losties figuring out that Michael betrayed them.
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...chocolate is awesome. Who needs drinks? It's bad for you!

I was going to respond to someone else, but now I forget. Rats.

#382. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 10, 2008 5:10 PM

While Goodwin was still with the Tailies and Juliet was trying to get Ben to bring him back, Juliet said that they had everyone from the tail section that was on the list. This was during the time that that Cindy (AKA Scarfy) was still with the tailies. We see later that she is with the Others and taking care of the EightFiftweeners (Emma & Zach). This has to mean that Cindy is and has always been an Other?

#383. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 10, 2008 5:20 PM

@382 iloveben: I like you're whole Richard Alpert theory. And for a grammar correction: "That worked out pretty good." Not "good", "well". Sorry... I had to. I'm a grammar freak.

Er...sorry I had to do this, too...you misused "you're." That's the contraction for "you are." What you should have used was "your."

Any other grammar freaks, feel free to correct me, also...

#384. Posted by: freckles at March 10, 2008 5:31 PM

@ 383. Posted by: bcre8ve

"This has to mean that Cindy is and has always been an Other?"

I beg to differ. It means that Cindy is not resisting them, and that she is co-operating fully. How this has come to be is a mystery. Only the scarf knows!

Remember - there are plenty of tail section members that were kidnapped (they were on the list). It is plausible that some/all have accepted the way of the Others (such as Cindy), and are now willing members.

Or - who knows - as we saw with Carl - maybe there has been some brainwashing?

We can only hope that there will soon come a day when they will finally provide more info about the Others and their "recruitment process"....

#385. Posted by: shikotee at March 10, 2008 6:18 PM

→ 385.by:shikotee
I beg to differ. It means that Cindy is not resisting them, and that she is co-operating fully. How this has come to be is a mystery. Only the scarf knows!
Remember - there are plenty of tail section members that were kidnapped (they were on the list)...
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I concur. I see Cindy as an "inductee" in to the cult of Ben too. Probably recruited for her reproductive potential.
Now the scarf... though unwilling at first... has proved the fertility issue is not a factor for casual feminine dress accessories. Scarfy has been squeezing out a litter of ten or so 'pup scarves' every two weeks since capture. We assume Scarfy has had multiple partners as the pup scarves are multi-colored. I hear Richard Alpert had her last... and now she is producing pirate bandanas.
;-)

#386. Posted by: DocH at March 10, 2008 6:43 PM

English major/grammar freak here also. I simply attribute minor misspellings, etc. on the mind and fingers not syncing. Mistakes happen.

To wit,from the book "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" about the importance of punctuation.

A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly-punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.
"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."


#387. Posted by: lovelost at March 10, 2008 6:56 PM

So picture this....

The scene takes place on the freighter. Desmond and Sayid are locked in a room, waiting to meet the captain. The door opens, and they meet a tall bulky man who introduces himself as the captain. He talks to them briefly. He introduces himself, and tells them there is someone very important that they have to meet.

As the captain leaves, his thugs grab Sayid and Desmond, prodding them to follow. After a short walk through the corridors of the ship, they come to a room at the end of the hall.

The captain turns to them and says: "And now it is time for you to meet the man behind everything." He opens the door, and pushes both Sayid and Desmond into the dark room. The lights are turned on, and they can see an armchair with its backside turned before them.

Sayid slowly moves towards the chair, and carefully swivels it around. His face shrivels into an expression of total shock and horror. There sitting on the chair, is none other than Cindy's scarf.

Fade to black, and "LOST".....

#388. Posted by: shikotee at March 10, 2008 7:53 PM

@ Freckles - 384
Thanks, haha. I was typing fast and yeah... still not an excuse for me.

@ lovelost - 387
"A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly-punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.
"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves." "

...!!! I'm not sure what to say to that other than... HAHA that was awesome!

Wow, I can't stop laughing.

=D (evil panda bear?)

#389. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 10, 2008 7:53 PM

Still intrigued by the supposed (from previous non-spoiler posts here) pending introduction of freighter Captain Gault ... can't shake the correlation (at so many levels) to "Atlas Shrugged" ... if he (whoever he is) introduces himself as "Captain Gault, John" ...

#390. Posted by: ealgumby at March 10, 2008 9:43 PM

@RNM - I am an English teacher - and I LOVE your grammar (or, should I spell it grammer just to annoy people?)...hehehe I also love ATL. The next scarf comment will be directed right at YOU...:)

@DocH...I'm still laughing...can't even type properly, imagining those cute little pups.

Well, all our theories about MOTB will be confirmed or denied this Thursday, right? I can't wait any longer. How many episodes are left before the break?? Why is it that in season Lost time flies buy, and the breaks drag and drag..could it have something to do with the time effects of the island.

#391. Posted by: meg at March 10, 2008 9:49 PM

@iloveben-

So glad you have a sense of humor! ; )

For you and other Ben lovers, Michael Emerson was a guest on the Kevin and Bean show on KROQ last week. You can check it out on the KROQ station website under the March 4 podcast. I'd post the link but there seem to be warnings down below about posting long URLs...

I heart ben, too, despite the insect stare and the hill fatass thing. He's what makes the show work!

#392. Posted by: freckles at March 10, 2008 10:20 PM

I just came across this website...this is such a great link, especially for those who love both LOST and march madness! Definitely a great time killer at work, school, or just to play around with!

what do you think mac?

http://tinyurl.com/2uxazr

#393. Posted by: Michael at March 10, 2008 10:28 PM

My vote is for Henry Gale as the MOTB.

@356 and Ben's basement. If I remember correctly, Juliet and Ben entered the ? hatch through a hidden side entrance. The one Locke and Echo used was under the plane. That was the episode where Paolo was hiding in the bathroom.

#394. Posted by: pebsgonepostal at March 10, 2008 11:19 PM

@ bcre8ve #379 & RNM #380: Thanks for filling me in on the Michael-murderer-who-knew question. Obviously my RAM (or would that be ROM?) is full & pieces of information are being deleted. ; )

@ everyone speculating about Cindy's Otherness: This would seem to be a good point to conduct an Other census. How many Others can we ID as being alive after the Beach Massacre? According to Lostpedia, the following Others are still alive & not affiliated w/the Lostaways: Adam, Amelia, Ben, the Molotov Woman, Richard, & the Twins. Cindy, Emma, & Zack are listed as Lostaways w/the Others. But as Lostpedia's list only includes those who have had a speaking role, there are definitely more. Besides Emma & Zack, there were ten Tailies taken. (Were these the "chain gang" building the supposed runway on Othertraz?) Anyone have any guesses on how many Others were in the hall when Juliet was tried? Or how many people were following Ben over hill & dale before he sent them w/Richard to the temple?

As for Cindy's Scarf...I'm quite sure that the Scarf is an Other, or at the very least it was brainwashed. (It certainly doesn't appear to have been washed in any other way. ; > )

@ lovelost #387: Eats, Shoots & Leaves is a great book. I have it on my shelf...right next to Comma Sutra. ; )

#395. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 10, 2008 11:24 PM

We have been discussing 'the list' since season one. Still no favorite or leading answer. This week it's "who would question the list?" or "does the list come from Jacob?".

We have seen in the backstories that Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin to the crash site with instructions to produce a list in three days.

Sooooooooo, what are the lists? Where did they originate from? Answers I do not have and questions that may be with us for some time...and significant to the story.

PS. Could the master list be written on the scarf?

#396. Posted by: JT at March 11, 2008 9:43 AM

Relevant LOST song of the week:

'Ham'bone, 'Ham'bone, have you heard?
Benny's gonna buy you a Hurley Bird.

And if that Hurley Bird don't sing,
Paulikki's gonna buy you a sack of diamonds that could possibly go on rings.

#397. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 11, 2008 11:04 AM

@ lovelost #387:

The best argument FOR the serial comma is the story of the award recipient who said:

"I want to thank those most responsible for my sucess: my parents, Ayn Rand and God."

#398. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 11, 2008 11:09 AM

-398Cecil: Yes yes yes...we need more serial comma! And nice tie-in to -390 ealgumby's "Atlas Shrugged" reference.

-395A_LT: If I remember correctly, the book jacket says: Boost your language libido with Comma Sutra. Very funny book.

A couple thoughts after re-watching part of last week's ep:

When Harper says "hell-o Juliette", I thought "hell-ooo Newman".

Is Farraday ever going to remove his tie? Is it going to be meeting up with Cindy's scarf?

#399. Posted by: lovelost at March 11, 2008 12:09 PM

You know what just occurred to me? We've never heard what the Others call themselves. (Other than "the good guys", of course.) The Losties got the term "The Others" from Danielle Rousseau. Dharma called them "The Hostiles". What do the others call themselves?

#400. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 11, 2008 12:20 PM

@ Cecil Rose: They call themselves The Borg.

#401. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 11, 2008 12:26 PM

@ lovelost #399: Oooh...can you imagine the offspring of a Cindy's scarf & Daniel's tie hook-up? Hankerchiefs everywhere!

@ Cecil Rose #400: I wonder if the Others call the Lostaways the Others.

@ JT #396: Wouldn't that be something if putting "The List" on Cindy's scarf is how Ben kept the list safe & under his control? ; )

#402. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 11, 2008 12:29 PM

@387--lovelost

Will they find a panda bear skeleton with a gun in Tunisia-er-Egypt now?


@394--pebsgonepostal

I forgot about Ben and Juliet entering the station through an underground tunnel. I wonder if one of the entrances is in Ben's basement? It would explain why the others would be able to easily keep in touch with him without Locke knowing. Good thought!

#403. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 11, 2008 1:52 PM

@400 - Cecil Rose : I think they call themselves "The Good Guys".

Although in this episode Ben said that Goodwin was building a case for Ana Lucia and that she'd be a good addition to "Our Society".

And Juliet referred to herself as an "Other", so I guess that's also acceptable.

#404. Posted by: vacc at March 11, 2008 2:54 PM

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Long time reader, first time poster - just wanted to let y'all know that...

THE CINDY SCARF JOKES ARE NOT FUNNY!
No matter which way you say it or mix it or blend it - it isn't and will not be funny. Trust me on this one! That is a theory that is canon.


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#405. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 11, 2008 2:55 PM

I think Juliet referenced the Others as the "Others" in this episode. But then she has been spending alot of time with the LOSTIES.

aka LOSTAWAYS, FUSELAGE SURVIVORS + TAILIE (Bernard), pick one

#406. Posted by: ANON2 at March 11, 2008 3:15 PM

→ 397. Red...Neck...Man : "Relevant LOST song of the week"

LOL, but after all the posts about whether Michael is BMOTB, the tune that's stuck in my head all week is a parody of the theme from "Welcome Back Kotter". Some of you may have already seen the first verse I posted to a Michael Caption some months back. Here's the complete updated version.

WELCOME BACK MICHAEL
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Welcome back..
Your schemes were your ticket out
Welcome back..
To that same old Island you crashed at

Some may hate you but we know it's not your fault
You betrayed everyone to recover Walt

We thought about you often (thought about you often)
Are YOU in the coffin (you in the coffin)

Hope the answers we lack
are revealed in your flashback
Welcome back.. (Welcome back.. Welcome back.. )

Welcome back..
We missed you since you sailed away
Welcome back..
Did you travel through time and meet Faraday

You might just be the most hated castaway
Since Paulo and Nikki have passed away

Are you Ben's masquerader?
Out there on the freighter?

Hope the answers we lack
are revealed in your flashback
Welcome back.. (Welcome back.. Welcome back.. Welcome back..)

#407. Posted by: vacc at March 11, 2008 3:33 PM

→ 405. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
THE CINDY SCARF JOKES ARE NOT FUNNY!
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I pull this on my tweens all of the time..... Reverse Psych 101. What you really want are MORE scarf jokes. Don't you... mister I'm gonna take my toys and go home? Alright..... more scarf jokes it is then!

#408. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 11, 2008 4:17 PM

Long time reader, long time poster.

;o)

Grammer Schmammer. And Shpelling to...when your tryin to git yer pointe akross as cwikly as posible befour sumone else does, itz okay too jist tipe tipe tipe and hit poste!

Mr_Naysayer, I have a friendly suggestion. Do a quick search of 'scarf' in the comments and make a note of which posts to skip before you read. I for one, never get tired of the references, and still find myself chuckling. Sure it's overused...but that's part of its charm.

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, just know that as far as this blog is concerned, Cindy's Scarf is not going away...in the comments above, our beloved reviewer himself wrote that references to the Scarf are AWESOME.

And now for something completely different.

There is just no way Ben's man on the boat is a woman...and certainly not Helen. Very creative theory, but no way. I truly believe Ben would've said "I have a person on the boat" if that person was female. It's something you wouldn't even think about. If his spy was a woman, Ben simply wouldn't have said 'man'. I'll eat my hat blah blah blah.

I'm in the camp that says it's Michael. I hope they don't leave it hanging for very long in this next episode.

I'm sure there are spoilers out there that say Aaron is and is not one of the 6. While I don't like to get 'spoiled', I don't put any faith in them anyway. Don't worry...we'll see that Aaron is one of the 6 this week!

So just to reiterate- I will eat my hat if Aaron is NOT one of the 6, and if Helen IS Ben's man on the boat.

#409. Posted by: JoePike at March 11, 2008 4:24 PM

@ freckles - 392
Thanks. But you know, I'm actually known for being "funny" by everyone. Seems ironic to you guys, but it's true. =D

Some people just don't "get" my sense of humor though. Hey, as a pre-senior supurlative vote thing that juniors do(for the yearbook -- best personality, best car, best smile, etc) I was voted "Best Sense of Humor" and "Class Clown" for girls. Unfortunately I can only win one next year for the actual thing...

...I felt it was necessary to share that because all of you probably think I'm one of those boring "party poopers" that get pissy... but I'm not.

@ Mr_Naysayer - 405
You're going to be hated for that one. You can't judge a joke you're not apart of.
________________________________________

Okay... so my point:
In AP Physics today, we learned about a physisist named Faraday while learning about electricity and batteries.

The first thing my physics teacher said was, "I think this is going to catch all of you LOST. people's attention."

Obviously this caught mine.
I don't know how to do symbols on this... but... (copied from notes)

Faraday's Law: E=Blv
Eind = -N(Delta)(IO)/(Delta)t
Eind = Induced emf (electromagnetic force)
N = # of turns of wire
(Delta)(IO)/(Delta)t = Rate of charge of flux.

Then there's
(IO)= BAcos(theta)
IO = Magnetic flux
B = External magnetic field (T)
A = Area of loop with current (m^2)
(Theta) = Angle between B and A

It looks prettier with symbols.

Conveniently, my physics teacher watches LOST. as well, so he said Daniel Faraday was most likely named after this Faraday... I think his first name was Michael?

...Weird.

Did anyone else mention this before?

Basically, there's a real physisist with the last name of Faraday and he studies electromagnetism and electricity. On top of all of this, he even has a law named after him. (Similarly to Newton)

Something will probably come up if you google him.

We may have learned about him freshmen year as well during Honors Physics, but I don't remember it... since back then it didn't mean anything to us.

I apologize if I spelled anything wrong.
________________________________________

1. I think Cindy is evil, or just that she was always an other.
2. I agree with the theory of there being a secret enterance from Ben's basement into the stations because that would make sense as to how Ben communicates things to his people, and isn't crapped up. (pebsgonepostal - 394)

Yeah, there isn't really any 3, 4, 5, 6... ETC.

@ meg - 391: That whole "grammer" stunt you pulled really did make me cringe. =)

Still laughing about the story with the pandas. =D (Evil yet?)

#410. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 11, 2008 4:25 PM

@ vacc/#407: Absolutely brilliant!

@ Mr_Naysayer/#405: All of us regulars appreciate you getting up enough courage to be a first time poster...and using that moment in 'time' to bash something that a) you don't understand, 2) isn't even meant for you to understand, and iii) IS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS IN ANY CAPACITY GIVEN.

Scarf-Scarf-Scarf, all night long...
Scarf-Scarf-Scarf while I sing this song!!

Love ya Cindy....I gots yo' back babe!!

#411. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 11, 2008 4:34 PM

@ JoePike
You are just indenial about Aaron. You'll see. =D (waiting for it to become evil...)

"Grammer Schmammer. And Shpelling to...when your tryin to git yer pointe akross as cwikly as posible befour sumone else does, itz okay too jist tipe tipe tipe and hit poste!"

...that was quite painful to read, I won't lie. =/

=D (evil yet?)

#412. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 11, 2008 4:34 PM

@ Vacc - 407
GENIUS. Wow, that was absolutely AMAZING!

Kudos, kudos.

=D (evil yet?...probably not.)

#413. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 11, 2008 4:40 PM

To all the Scarfies:
WGNALS
(We're gonna need a longer scarf.)

And, thanks to Mr_Naysayer, the mere thought of Cindy's scarf just makes me laugh even more.

#414. Posted by: lovelost at March 11, 2008 4:54 PM

I think the LOST drug is getting stronger and not lasting as long. It appears the withdrawal effects are happening quicker and are become more intense. Someone needs to talk with the writers so we all can get some more LOST and quick. I have been doing Season 2 DVD’s. It’s not as good as the new stuff but keeps you going through the week.
(PS: this is a joke to all who don’t get it!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!!). I notice someone else using the name "michael", always look for the BIG "H" in the name so you can keep us separated.

#415. Posted by: micHael at March 11, 2008 4:59 PM

A scarf walks into a bar. After ordering a mai-tie, he sees a hot babuschka sitting in the corner. He walks up to her and says, "Hi. What's your name?" She says, "Anna." He says to her, "Wanna go see a band, Anna, or should we just neck?"

Sorry, that's all I got.

#416. Posted by: Randy at March 11, 2008 5:05 PM

Hmm. Here's a theory that hasn't been mentioned before. Madame Defarge is one of the Others & she's the one who knitted Cindy's scarf. That's how the list was encoded. ; )

It's Tuesday—you can tell we're all jonesin' for a new episode!

#417. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 11, 2008 5:06 PM

#410 ilovebenjaminlinusxx asked about references to Michael Faraday:

Oh, there've been a few. The cash in the drawer in Ben's secret room featured right on top a commemerative 20 pound note featuring Michael Faraday's portrait. It was issued in England from 1991 to 2001.

#418. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 11, 2008 5:16 PM

@415 micHael said:

>I think the LOST drug is getting stronger and not lasting as long. It appears the withdrawal effects are happening quicker and are become more intense. Someone needs to talk with the writers so we all can get some more LOST and quick.

Better buy the Season 3 DVD's quick, 'cause Thursday's show is the last for a month or two. Currently I think the additional episodes completed post strike are planned to begin April 24.

#419. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 11, 2008 5:27 PM

Did you hear that Al Pacino is doing a new movie about a gangster that becomes a WWI fighter pilot and shoots down numerous enemy planes by throwing articles of clothing at them during dogfights? The name of the film is "Scarf Ace."

(C'mon Mr_Naysayer, you have to admit it. That was at least a little funny.)

[8^)

#420. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 11, 2008 5:47 PM

Sorry, that's all I got.
→ 416. Posted by: Randy

That's the best one all day. I'm still howling. Out loud.

#421. Posted by: lovelost at March 11, 2008 5:49 PM

I think Cindy's Scarf jokes are merely what we use to get us by during down time. We need something to keep the balance before the next episode.

That being said, if the island ends up being gassed then those with gas masks will survive, and of course Cindy because she has her scarf to wrap around her face.

#422. Posted by: callaway76 at March 11, 2008 5:53 PM

Been lurking for a while now, but am a first time poster. Has it occurred to anyone else that the reason Ben told Locke to sit down was because he was about to lose the use of his legs again?? Perhaps it somehow involves Jacob. Just a thought.

And FYI to Naysayer...Curiosity is what brought me to this blog, but the Cindy's Scarf jokes are a lot of what keeps me coming back!

#423. Posted by: surefoot at March 11, 2008 6:32 PM

@bcre8ve - that was hot!
@vacc, Randy, others (small o) - yours too.

@Michael (393) - interesting, even the Wash Post finds Cindy worthy of a special mention.

That being said, I can't believe the last 20 posts. This has gotten out of hand. I'm so upset I'm gonna go scarf down some Choco hats now.

P.S. I just got a popup ad for The Economist. Note to self: Watch out for Iraqi assassins.

-----------SPOILER ALERT -------------
Look for the title of the March 20 episode for likely answer to MOTB question.

#424. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 11, 2008 6:52 PM

Didja hear about the cravat-wearing panda that got arrested after shooting up a cafe?

His ascot busted.

#425. Posted by: Randy at March 11, 2008 6:58 PM

419 Cecil

Better buy the Season 3 DVD's quick, 'cause Thursday's show is the last for a month or two. Currently I think the additional episodes completed post strike are planned to begin April 24.

Cecil;
I am pretty sure that episode 8 is the following week(3/20). I wouldn't want you to think it wasn't and miss it.

#426. Posted by: btly at March 11, 2008 7:10 PM

I loved the Desmond and Penny scene

#427. Posted by: simplified at March 11, 2008 7:10 PM

Loved the desmond and penny scene

#428. Posted by: simplified at March 11, 2008 7:12 PM

Ok that worked.I'm a noob my first post see above.I'm from NZ and i always come here and read - is it 'Mac's review'.Anyway down here we are 2 eps behind you fullas but i don't mind coming here and reading the reviews and posts about an upcoming ep i haven't seen yet.Some good theories on here btw makes me think hmmm.I will be watching the Constant tonight and i have seen the Desmond-Penny scene already(ok i have no patience for Lost i just gotta watch what i haven't seen).I almost cried almost and it's hard if not impossible to get me to cry watching movies/TV but that was brilliant one of the best lost scenes i have seen yet.

#429. Posted by: simplified at March 11, 2008 7:22 PM

Seriously, I thought of three great scarf jokes, and in the matter of an hour they have all been used before I can post them! This is just strange, weird, supernatural...I'm gonna go scarf down some chocolate (NOT) and just try and forget about it...:)

#430. Posted by: meg...MIF at March 11, 2008 8:42 PM

@ everyone w/the scarf jokes: Too funny! I sense a spin-off joke book...

And if anyone can stand yet another scarf-ish reference...perhaps w/her innocent flight attendant persona Cindy pulled the wool over everyone's eyes?

@ simplified #429: Just had to give you a shout-out...my daughter & I visited NZ in 2006. Best two weeks of our lives—neither of us wanted to go home—& Miss Longthought has already decided she wants to spend a year as an exchange student there. Welcome to the best LOST blog on the Web!

#431. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 11, 2008 9:05 PM

@429 by simplified.

Welcome to the blog. I'm curious to know how you saw the telephone scene reuniting Des & Penny before the Constant was shown on TV in NZ. Were you able to download the episode from ABC*com or another Website in the U.S.?

#432. Posted by: leegull at March 11, 2008 9:13 PM

@AL #431 -
Mrs. Longthought?! Weird, I never picture her. So, there is probably and Mrs. Red...Neck..Man, and a Mr. Clementine, and a Mr. MIF? This is blowing my mind...blowing like a scarf in the wind.

Okay, sorry, I'll stop...:)

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I am just going to keep hitting the post button until it happens!! (kidding, of course)

ButchM??? Mrs. ButchM???

#433. Posted by: meg at March 11, 2008 9:27 PM

No Mr. ilovebenjaminlinusxx =D Hehe.

I'm starting to enjoy this whole scarf thing =P

Really, I'm trying to stop thinking about LOST, but I can't... so I just can't wait. Quite fustrating.

This week's episode is supposed to beast.

@ simplified - 429
Mac does have a way of making things seem "real". With his range of vocabulary and inner thoughts, he can make words "come to life"!

...like Cindy's scarf? (that will hopefully end up eating her face... and it would help if her face was chocolate)

I guess I'm still too new to make these jokes.

=D (evil yet???)
(Smiley face: I WILL NEVER BE EVIL!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!)

#434. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 11, 2008 10:38 PM

Moving right along...

@Mr_Naysayer: I like the cut of your jib, sir. I think you need to drop in to naysay us more often. I’ll be the first to admit, I need a good naysaying some days. You made your point (however incorrect) without being rude, and I respect you for that. Good comments generate good conversation. Kudos to you and Gramma Pole Lice and The Theory Nazi for adding parameters to our sometimes endless stream of consciousness. But as MorBid0 said, reverse psychology is the key. If you are serious about diverting us from a topic, never tell us it’s not funny :)


scarf

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural scarves \skärvz\ or scarfs

Etymology: probably modification of Middle French dialect (Norman) escreppe, Middle French escherpe sash, sling, from Old French, pilgrim's shoulder bag, from Medieval Latin scrippum

Date: 1555

1 a: a military or official sash usually indicative of rank
1 b: archaic : TIPPET
2: a broad band of cloth worn about the shoulders, around the neck, or over the head
3: RUNNER


Cindy’s scarf

Function: Sentient being

Property of: Cindy
Claim to Fame: Scarf-gate
Omniscient: We think so.
Gender: Non-specific (pending exam by Cecil Rose and vacc)
Counterparts: Forrest Gump, Waldo, The Terrible Towel
Sometimes masquerades as: Meg, Smokey, Mac, Ben’s napkin
Father: Jacob
Mother: Unidentified four-toed woman
Cousin: Richard Alpert's eyeliner
Significant other: RNM (ex.), Mikhail’s patch (ex.), Daniel’s tie
Offspring: Countless unknown handkerchiefs, Jack Sparrow’s bandana, Eloise the Rat (adopted)
Context: funny (ha-ha) or funny (strange), but always funny

***************************

P.S. Randy, you had me at hot babushka ;)

There’s a Mr. MIF??!!! Does Meg’s husband know about this?

I can’t remember: Did RNM have a fling with Cindy or with her scarf? Or both? Please tell me it wasn’t at the same time. Men!

#435. Posted by: Clementine at March 11, 2008 11:47 PM

Went on Lostpedia and found this great piece of info:

Cindy's Scarf - (in relation to the numbers):

Has 4 corners

Commonly is folded three times creating 8 squares

It's thread count is 15 x 16 strands per square centimeter

Is 23 inches wide and 42 inches long.

~~~~~ Spooky ~~~~~~~~~

Seriously I have a comment to post about this episode - but I have been moving to a new apartment since it aired and I just can't get through all the posts. So I am going to do the unspeakable and post before reading (though I did read over a hundred)....

#436. Posted by: callaway76 at March 12, 2008 12:30 AM

I've heard speculation that the writers read this blog, which is very cool. I just hope Cindy's scarf doesn't. That thing doesn't need to get a big head.

#437. Posted by: Not an Other at March 12, 2008 12:31 AM

@435 - Clementine : The Cindy's scarf bit was wearing thin on me too - until Mr_Naysayer breathed fresh life into the subject with his Nay saying. Now, after reading your scarf commentary, I've decided to make Cindy's Scarf the subject of a special Photo Caption.

@Mr_Naysayer - Welcome! When I saw your name for the first time, the image that popped into my mind made me laugh. It was a talking horse doing a public service announcement aimed at preventing kids from sniffing glue - "Just Say NEIGH!"

#438. Posted by: vacc at March 12, 2008 12:52 AM

Tuesday Night:

Finally home and able to watch last week's episode. Can't say I can add anything to the 1000's of comments already made here. (My eyes are blurrey . . . ) Enjoyed it.

There's a site called LOST REVIEW and it has four sneek peek scenes from this week's show on it. Anybody else seen these? Last one concerns Widmore faking the plane crash and wondering where someone could obtain 345 dead bodies to seed the plane with . . .

Looking forward to Thursday night LIVE!

#439. Posted by: davidrh at March 12, 2008 12:57 AM

@432 leegull

I watch upcoming eps (certain scenes only)and spoilers on youtube.

@ 431 alais-longthought

Thanks.Glad you enjoyed your time in Aotearoa.

#440. Posted by: simplified at March 12, 2008 3:32 AM

yeh the episode was alright, but does no one else get ridiculously frustrated when one week the storyline is moving a thousand miles an hour and the next we have to watch rubbish juliet flashbacks?

don't get me wrong i love the show it's incredible, but there are so many episodes which appear to just be wasting our time.

guarantee if i missed four weeks, juliet, jack and kate will just be arriving back on the beach, sawyer will have only just said something to locke about ben being allowed to roam free, and inbetween we'll have had yet MORE jack flashforwards (we don't need to glorify him any further), a Jin flashback (surely nowhere else to go with that story thread), alex flashbacks, and flashbacks of a mango sat on the beach when the plane crashed.

top top show, i live it, dream it, adore many of the characters. just want it to deliver. and once in a while after irrelevant episodes, i lose a little hope.

#441. Posted by: mattyc14 at March 12, 2008 4:24 AM

^#^#^#^#^#

REGARDING MY 'CINDY'S SCARF' COMMENT FROM YESTERDAY:

^#^#^#^#^#

I've decided to go back and review every single comment made about the scarf in question, dating back as far as I could reach in the archives and have come up with a concrete solid verdict:

Still not funny.

And once again - that is canon.

No matter how you phrase it or attempt to spice it up and make it funny... it just ain't guys and gals... it just aint.

Peace.
Mr.Naysayer

#442. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 12, 2008 8:26 AM

→ 442. by:Mr_Naysayer... and have come up with a concrete solid verdict: Still not funny.
______________
Judge: "Has the jury reached a verdict."

Foreman: "Yes we have your honor."

Judge: "What say you."

Foreman: "Ma'am... we had one dissenting vote, but have decided in favor of the Scarf."

(the courtroom erupts in a chorus of applause and cheers.)

Judge: (smacks gavel repeatedly) "I will have order in my court of public opinion!... Jurists you are dismissed."

Foreman: "Thank you your honor."

Judge: "Now as for you... (looks at, searches docket) Scarfy is it?"

Scarfy: (nods).

Judge: "That was a close call. I recommend you devote your entire existence to humor... never ending, relentless scarf humor... blog after blog after... well, you get my point."

Scarfy: (nods again).

(the courtroom begins chanting... "Scar-fy!, Scar-fy!, Scar-fy!"...).

Judge: "Wonderful... NEXT CASE!"

Bailiff: "Yes your honor... The U.S. Attorney General vs. Ms. Kate Austen... Ms. Austen is charged with 11 counts of..."

#443. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 12, 2008 9:02 AM

@442

Way to stick to your guns and live up to your name!

I agree with you - the scarf references are often not funny, but they sure are silly! And there's nothing wrong with a little silliness in the world, is there?

Methinks thou dost protest too much?

Deep down, on some unconscious level, you must have some hidden scarf loving, as you know the direct result of your posting will be a thousandfold more scarf references from many die-hard scarf loyalists. Are you a scarf lover in denial?

There is a treatment program out there for you, and for all of us crazy addicted Lost fans.

Check out:

tinyurl(dot)com/38wbej

(obviously replace the "dot" with ".")

#444. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 9:32 AM

Cindy's Scarf walks into a bar. It goes up to the bartender and orders a drink.
The bartender says, "We don't serve scarfs here." Cindy's Scarf gets upset but leaves. It goes outside, roughs up its edges and twists itself around. Cindy's Scarf walks back into the bar, goes up to the bartender and orders a drink. The bartender says, "Aren't you the same scarf that was just in here?"

Cindy's Scarf says, "No, I'm a frayed knot!"

Thank you and tip your waitresses!

#445. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 12, 2008 10:27 AM

@442 Mr_Naysayer - It's too bad that you didn't chime in when Laffo was our hot topic or we'd probably be getting mileage out of that as well.

Personally, I totally respect the fact that Mr_Naysayer actually took the time to backtrack through the history of Cindy's Scarf on this blog, regardless of his conclusion. Still, I believe that declaring it's unfunniness as "canon" seemed a bit harsh and sets a dangerous precedent.

I've always believed that humor in all it's forms is purely subjective, and never something so concrete in either direction that the term "funny" or "not funny" can be declared as "canon".

It is for this very reason the the term "British Humor" is classified as an oxymoron in the USA, while in the U.K. it is simply misspelled as "British Humour". (interestingly, the word "humour" comes from the from the Greek word for "sap" - χυμός, chymos ) This may also explain why so few Americans got a good laugh out of "The English Patient".

To be fair to the U.K., most British folks can't seem to fathom why so many American's are able to laugh at the pain inflicted upon fellow humans. In the U.S. we merely regard such violent images as "physical comedy".

Yet, no matter what our personal tastes may be, when we experience that pain first hand it invariably does not make us laugh. This morning, for example, I was hit square in the elbow by a door, sending shockwaves of pain up my funny bone. While those around me laughed at my expense, I did not find it the least bit "humerus".

Out of respect for everyone's opinions, I created a separate Cindy's Scarf topic on the LOST Photo Captions area. Although Mr_Naysayer's search to find the humor in this topic only reinforced his negative assessment of it's comedic value, I still hold out hope that he will enjoy at least one chuckle once everyone has finished adding their captions.

#446. Posted by: vacc at March 12, 2008 10:41 AM

@426 btly said:

>Cecil;
>I am pretty sure that episode 8 is the following week(3/20). I wouldn't want you to think it wasn't and miss it.

I certainly hope you're right. But I remember reading in interview wwith Lindlehof and Cuze where they said that, even though they had eight episodes in the can, pre-strike, they thought they'd cut off the first 'half-season' with episode seven because it made a better stopping point.

Perhaps the network made them think better of it.

#447. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 12, 2008 10:53 AM

→ 445/PiecesofArzt

I'm not 'a frayed' to say: That WAS very funny.

#448. Posted by: JT at March 12, 2008 10:56 AM

Mr. Naysayer I applaud your standing up for your beliefs in the face of overwhelming public opinion. I disagree with your opinion, but I strongly stand by your right to it.

Everyone (well, here in the states anyway) is familiar with NASCAR (aka National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing).

I hereby propose the foundation of NASCARF - Necktie And SCARf Fanatics. And I nominate Cindy (Kimberly Joseph)to be our President.

#449. Posted by: Randy at March 12, 2008 10:59 AM

@&@&@&@&@&@&@&@

More Scarf Dialogue....

I grabbed one of my 9 year old nephew's 'Jokes & Riddles' books and thumbed through many pages hoping that I too, could take an old elementary school joke and somehow add a 'scarf twist' to it - i.e - I'm a frayed knot, or let's neck, scarf it down, etc, etc, and after coming up with a few doozies that would really cause a 3rd grade class to roar with laughter, I decided to crumple up my joke list (ooooh, another LIST!) and throw it in the trash. Thankfully, there is a posting section now dedicated to all unfunny-scarf-jokes... and more importantly, I hope all scarf posts find their way there to eventually wither and die.

Jay Leno's lame monologues could really use some of these lame-o jokes! Some of you are missing your calling!

Namaste-
Mr.Naysayer

Cindy's Scarf for President 2008!
(see, I can flex my lame skills too!)

#450. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 12, 2008 11:14 AM

@mr. naysayer

You are correct about Cindy’s scarf not being funny.
Case in point. I just received a fax from RNM’s fax room from her and was she mad.
She says that as a recurring character on the show she deserves a real name. And that Cindy’s scarf just wouldn’t do anymore. She understands why she isn’t in the credits because she is a clandestine. It’s a new title similar to Others or Hostiles etc.
My vote is “Sniffles”

#451. Posted by: SamFin at March 12, 2008 11:53 AM

(The camera pans across a field as the sun rises. We see workers in the field and can hear their quiet, early morning conversation as they go about their business of harvesting.)

WORKER 1: So why are we here so early - and on a Saturday no less?

WORKER 2: Ben said something about the powers of the island and how those born here are special.

WORKER 1: I still don't see how picking cotton is going to help our cause...

The camera pulls back and we see that the workers are in a cotton field and realize that what we are watching is a Scarfy flashback! Scarfy is a native!

#452. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 12, 2008 11:54 AM

Name Cindy's scarf something other than Scarfy?

It just has to be Horatio J. Hornblower.

That's my $0.02 anyway.

#453. Posted by: Randy at March 12, 2008 12:26 PM

@212/Kate "Was anyone else really really irked by that little mole on
Harper's face?"

I kept expecting the scene to turn into:

HARPER: Hi, I'm Harper Stanhope. Please sit. Today is just a meet and greet so that we can get to know each other.

JULIET: Yes, nice to mole you. Meet you! Nice to meet your mole. (to self) Don't say mole.

HARPER: Ok...

JULIET: (Staring transfixed at Harper's face) I said mole.

HARPER: Yes...

JULIET: Moley, moley, moley, moley, moley! Guacamole.

etc...

#454. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 12, 2008 12:59 PM

I can't help but wonder if Cindy's scarf is at all related to "Towelie" from South Park?

Scarfie - "Don't forget to bring a scarf!"

Wow - thanks to "scarfgate", this thread will likely surpass the size of comments for the Constant, which as we all know was a much stronger episode (top 3 all time for many).

How spooky is that?

I think I have a classic case of Scarfers remorse....

Scarfoholics Anonymous anyone?

#455. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 1:09 PM

(tune - This Old Man)
Scarf scarf scarf
scarf scarf scarf

scarf scarf scarf scarf scarf scarf scarf

With a scarf scarf scarf scarf scarfy scarfy scarf

And this old scarf came rolling home!

#456. Posted by: meg at March 12, 2008 1:26 PM

Mr_Naysayer...

You are one sick diabolical genius!

Are you sure your name isn't Henry Gale, Dean Moriarty, or Benjamin Linus?

Seriously - You have actually manipulated us into becoming a bunch of scarf maniacs, and we are doing it under the belief that it is via free will.

"Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash!!"
(Sound of me swiping everything off my kitchen counter, or throwing tray with dishes against wall)

Now I know how John Locke feels...

#457. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 1:38 PM

There's always the possibility that Mr_Naysayer is, in fact, our own Meg, posting in direct violation of Mac's Rule #4.

I mean, who likes to talk about the scarf more than MIF?

And she has been somewhat obsessed with Ben lately, also...

Hmmm...

#458. Posted by: Clementine at March 12, 2008 1:46 PM

re cmnt 457. shikotee
- - -
Yeah, out of hand! I caught a couple of teenage punks trying to sell scarves in the back alley last night.. my kids play there! And the cops, they are reluctant to press charges unless a scarf is used in the commission of a felony.

#459. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 12, 2008 1:50 PM

@458 - Clementine : Meg breaking the rules? No way! Besides, the only rule that is strictly enforced around here is "MIF". As the limerick goes..

There was a LOST blogger named meg
Who rarely drank less than a keg
After quenching her thirst
She'd always post first
No matter how others might beg

#460. Posted by: vacc at March 12, 2008 1:56 PM

@Clementine - you have found me out! Honestly, make-believe Mr. MIF found out about Ben, so I had to try and steer the conversation toward something less threatening..ie...the scarf! (Just kidding of course, I can hardly keep up with my own posts here!)

#461. Posted by: meg at March 12, 2008 1:57 PM

I was initially inclined to agree with Mr. Naysayer's inclination that the fabric of Cindy's scarf jokes were wearing a little thin. Thanks to everyone for breathing new life into this. Funny stuff!
I particularly have to appreciate Alais_Longthought throwing in the Tale of Two Cities relate. Continuing the LOST tradition of literary allusion--fabulous!

Also-Cecil Rose--I think you're right that although 8 eps were in the can they were going to show 7 take a break and then the final 6. Supposedly episode 7 worked better as a mini finale than episode 8 would have. At least that's how I remember it.

#462. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 12, 2008 2:15 PM

@454/bcre8ve
re-@212/Kate "Was anyone else really really irked by that little mole on
Harper's face?"

I actually thought of Juliet using the Uncle Buck (from about 18 years ago) line: "Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face!"

#463. Posted by: JT at March 12, 2008 2:21 PM

re: pre-strike episodes

Original plan by prudcers was to stop at 7 episodes (from story telling suspense perspective), but network opted to show all 8 instead, so that all post strike episodes (of various shows) will debut at same time.

So, we will see episode 8 next week, and then we suffer....

#464. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 2:23 PM

I haven't seen the preview of Clair jumping into the ocean but i had an idea. (I hope i'm not repeating anyone else's thoughts.) But what if Clair goes to speak to Miles and then with his Mental abilities he lets her know about her visit to the Fortune Teller. Maybe he knows what the Fortune Teller was so afraid of when he warned her not to let anyone else raise the child. And now that we know that Kate has him in the future, what does that do to the warning. We already had an idea that Clair was set-up by the Psychic to be on the plane by getting her a ticket in the first place. Maybe "Smokey's" or Jacob's powers reach beyond the island and were able to torment the Psychic into forcing her into getting on the plane.

So maybe Miles reveals to her what is so terrifying and it makes her want to jump. Or maybe he tells her Charlie is waiting for her in the Ocean????

I think that possibly the man on the boat could be Sayid. Afterall, they were left alone for a while in the Multipurpose building before Sayid brought Charlotte back to Lapidus. Now that would be a "Have a seat" moment. But i too figure it is Michael. Because I heard he or someone from the past would be making a come-back.

#465. Posted by: cmonroe at March 12, 2008 2:27 PM

Maybe the fictional Mr. MIF is Mr_Naysayer. Maybe Mr_Naysayer is the MOTB. Maybe the MOTB is Meg! AHA!

Is it time for a new episode yet?

This has been a not-so-nice day at work. I'm glad Scarfy and Lost Blog crew are around to keep a smile on my face :)

#466. Posted by: Clementine at March 12, 2008 2:33 PM

→ 462. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes
Also-Cecil Rose--I think you're right that although 8 eps were in the can they were going to show 7 take a break and then the final 6. Supposedly episode 7 worked better as a mini finale than episode 8 would have. At least that's how I remember it.
----------------
That was how the initial strike recovery plan was supposed to go, but then they moved #8 forward again (time travel?) so #9 - #13 would align with Greys Anat & UgBetty for the "May Sweeps".

< The thing I want to add is that my online Yahoo TV guide described the episode we just saw (TOW) as S4E8. Yeah Ep 8. Yahoo is notoriously slow (months) to update line-up changes when they occur. So, if in fact the Juliet storyline was orginally intended to run eigth (v. sixth) that whole "Tempest Station - Chamber of Doom - Gas the Island" drama at the end of TOW was probably meant to be the original "cliffhanger" between mini-seasons. Once they brought it forward in the schedule they edited in the happy outcome, which they already had in the can.
Speculation... or Yahoo error?

#467. Posted by: DocH at March 12, 2008 2:42 PM

TOW Haiku (4.6 v.2)

"Nay Say" Will Not Play,

Fodder Fans Chant Rally Cry,

"Scarf Is Here To Stay!"

#468. Posted by: DocH at March 12, 2008 2:57 PM

(FOR THOSE WHO ARE WONDERING - and for the other 99% who doesn't care)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a huge LOST fan, first and foremost... I am also a daily reader of this blog... I am not any of the regulars (but maybe I am now?!)... I do not post as anyone other than myself (no Mac rule breaking!)... I have just gotten slightly concerned that the direction of this forum was taking an extremely CORNY path in the wrong direction, thus, me offering my two cents with hope that we could get back on track discussing the wild theories and striving to figure out the LOST riddles, secrets and puzzles as a team...

Unfortunately, like a PYTHON MADE OF YARN, Cindy's scarf has wrapped itself around many of your necks - obviously cutting off oxygen to the brain... then, corniness ensues.

I do realize I opened a HATCH OF WORMS by even uttering my displeasure... but if the sky turns purple and the balloon I am riding across the Pacific in crash lands in your neighborhood, I may need one of you to cut me down from a tree, so maybe I should put on my happy face and just nod and smile along with the rest of you...

Sincerely,

Henry G-- oops, I mean,

Mr.Naysayer

#469. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 12, 2008 2:57 PM

I seriously hope someone is keeping track this season....cause here's another nominee for Best LOST Blog Lines of the Year, from Photo Caption: Will you be my Constant?:

Cecil Rose: The most fun is sexing Guinea Pigs.

I will refer you to my subsequent caption/comment for my initial thoughts. Excellent Cecil Rose, Excellent!

#470. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 12, 2008 3:00 PM

@ CS #462: Thanks for the compliment re Cindy's scarf & Madame Defarge—after I posted it I wondered if it was too much of a stretch. (But I guess if one uses the right yarn it stretches nicely. Okay, boo, that was bad.) It was the best of islands, it was the worst of islands...

@ cmonroe #465: Interesting idea about Claire, Miles, & the psychic. So let's assume that Desmond's vision of Claire & Aaron getting on the helicopter comes true, so as to get them on the freighter. But if whatever it is that the psychic was afraid of was so terrifying, why would Claire jump off the freighter, leaving Aaron alone to be raised by another? Leaving that question aside, though, Aaron being held captive on the freighter would set up a scenario in which the Lostaways would stage a rescue mission, which could explain how Kate ends up w/Aaron.

@ everyone who's a member of the Grammar Police: Saw this T-shirt in the Signals catalog today:

I am the Grammarian about whom your mother warned you.

Although speaking as a grammarian (as that word is part of my business name), I think the "you" could be deleted & the sentence would read more smoothly. ; )

And finally, also from the Signals catalog, a book entitled "The Lost Art of Towel Origami." Obviously this is a plagiarized version of Cindy's "The LOST Island Art of Scarf Origami." ; >

#471. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 12, 2008 3:08 PM

@ Mr_Naysayer/#469: Not only was that an awesomely, self-contradicting post....but....no, that was just an awesomely, self-contradicting post. Funny too.

I think someone may have mentioned it, but we traditionally do stick to the topic for the first 5 days or so. People just get a little antsy when almost every possible angle is covered, and covered, and covered again.

Trust me on this...even if a jovial topic creeps onto the thread, and much attention is paid to said jovial topic...I would venture to say that if a new and exciting topic/theory/observation was introduced that a large portion of bloggers would be more than happy to participate in the discussion. It's just a little hard when we all pick apart every aspect of a new episode for a few days to find something new and exciting.

How bout this? Have we discussed what type of linens Ben was carrying on his way to his new home? Can't....resist...any...more.....SCARFY!!!!!!

#472. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 12, 2008 3:12 PM

@466/Clementine "Maybe the MOTB is Meg! AHA!"

That's what I always assumed MOTB stood for: "Meg's On The Boat"

I thought it should have been MWFOTB:
"Meg Was First On The Boat"

#473. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 12, 2008 3:17 PM

→ 469.
... hope that we could get back on track discussing the wild theories and striving to figure out the LOST riddles, secrets and puzzles as a team...
_____________
I apologize if I have added to your frustration here. While I completely agree with your agenda on LOST puzzles, theory, secrets, riddles, etc... as the main focus... what I agree with you most on is "as a team". Anyone that has been on a really good team, will tell you that comraderie was one of best benefits of that team. How do you build espirit-d'corps... accomplishing the mission helps, but sometimes humor and silliness help to build a good team too. Humor and silliness also help establish trust, boundaries, reaffirm common objectives, etc...

and a smile always improves your face value. (Sorry for the cliche.)

#474. Posted by: DocH at March 12, 2008 3:26 PM

or MWDOTB = Meg was drunk on the boat

#475. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 12, 2008 3:26 PM

4-6 (77) The Other Woman

Island triangle
Square, pentagon, hexagon...
Where will it all end?

Tempest tossed island,
Machinery of death lurks,
Abated for now.

#476. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 12, 2008 4:01 PM

Hey you all everybody !

The constant = 472 Posts

The Other Woman - 476 and counting.

looks like Cindy's Scarf and Meg have taken an average epidsode and passed over "The Constant"

Looks like Mr. Naysayer has won the "You make me wanna be a better scarf award"

#477. Posted by: SamFin at March 12, 2008 4:03 PM

@469 Posted by: Mr_Naysayer

Well stated, good sir...

I think it is clear that at least at some point (through this consistent never-ending flogging of the dead scarf), a smirk may just have crossed your face, if only for a second!

I feel your pain though...

The sinister scurvy scarf totally distracts us from the main gist, and possibly undermines valid analysis. Lord knows I've thrown out some deep thoughts out there that have fizzled like a lint covered scarf over an open flame! However, like many, I have not been able to resist the sweet seduction of Cindy's succulent scarf.

This is exactly how Charlie must have felt when he was trying to kick his heroin problem!

Who here can bust a statue of Mary, take the scarf from within, and toss it into the fire?

As much fun as I have had (and am still having), hopefully we'll nip this scarf in the bud when the next episode plays, and get back to business!

May the scarf be with you!

#478. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 4:10 PM

I was rewatching The Other Woman and was wondering where Charlotte was when Juliet confronted Faraday. Juliet seemed to look around for her, but she wasn't in the same room. Maybe they were up to more than they let on.

....OH and UH,...Scarf.

#479. Posted by: Not an Other at March 12, 2008 4:17 PM

To avoid an alleged electromagnetic build up, the Hatch had to vent every 108 minutes via computer terminal. We still don't have an explanation of why this venting was a critical mission on the island.
Now, we have the abandoned Tempest, an alleged power station that had Faraday attempting to vent a build up (presumably gas) via a computer terminal. I am wondering if Faraday was imputing the Numbers and the Tempest is secondary Hatch.

FYI, today Mrs. Spitzer was wearing Cindy's scarf.

#480. Posted by: welh at March 12, 2008 4:26 PM

@ Meg

No joke... one of the reasons my ex-boyfriend broke up with me was because he was jealous of Ben. First he thought he could "get past it" because Ben is a fictoinal character and all (so we think...) but he couldn't!

... what a wuss. That to me, proved he wasn't worth it anyway. Complete turn off.

I hope he's not reading this right now... he's a huge LOST. fan as well.

Anyway, I think the Cindy's Scarf jokes are hillarious! Even though I was never really apart of it... still very funny.

I do though have a nasty habit of correcting people's grammar. I've been trying to refrain for a while, but it's almost impossible to.

#481. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 12, 2008 5:05 PM

re: cmnt 474 by:DocH

@469. Nay said
... hope that we could get back on track discussing the wild theories and striving to figure out the LOST riddles, secrets and puzzles as a team...
_____________
@474. you said
I apologize if I have added to your frustration here. While I completely agree with your agenda on LOST puzzles, theory, secrets, riddles, etc... as the main focus... what I agree with you most on is "as a team". Anyone that has been on a really good team, will tell you that comraderie was one of best benefits---
_____________
@405. Nay said initially
Long time reader, first time poster - just wanted to let y'all know that... THE CINDY SCARF JOKES ARE NOT FUNNY! No matter which way you (yada, yada).....
====================
Sorry doc h, as much as I enjoy a good halftime pep talk, I have to call you to task on this one and wave the bovine scatology flag.
#469 "hopes WE can get back on track DISCUSSING etc. as a TEAM." Back up to the first strike @405 where you read - "Long time read, FIRST TIME POST". A first time poster is not part of the WE and the DISCUSSING, because the 1st time poster has NEVER DISCUSSED and therefore not a TEAM player. Now as a benchwarmer (405) taking a stab at things, I'll have to admit, this "first time poster" sure did get everyones' attention - dashing on the field, gra
bbing the ball, running into the wrong endzone and spending the rest of the game giving TEAM-members the finger from the endzone.
What kind of person does not participate in a conversation, eavesdropping the entire time, then interrupts the conversation and demands you 'eliminate' the humor in 'your' conversation, because "I AM NOT AMUSED"? What next King Henry? - "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!"

#482. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 12, 2008 5:40 PM

-469 Mr Naysayer
Well said. You do have a sense of humor, after all. I look forward to your post-Thursday posts.
-471 RNM
Agreed. We're just amusing ourselves until the next ep provides us with new fodder (nod to Mac).
-478 Shikotee
May the scarf be with you - good one.

-Meg I wanna party with you. Maybe we can send our respective Mr Make-Believes on the boat while we consume mass quantities of adult beverages.

Alas, I believe you're on the east coast. I'm in AZ (MST) which means (a) you'll see LOST 2 hours before I do and (b) I'll have some serious catching up to do. I do love a challenge, though, and the champagne is already chillin'.

***POSSIBLE SPOILER BUT NOT REALLY***
ABC's recap of the next ep (old news to most, but news to me): "Ji Yeon" - Juliet is forced to reveal startling news to Jin when Sun threatens to go to Locke's camp; Sayid and Desmond begin to get an idea of the freighter crew's mission when they meet the ship's captain.

From Wikipedia: "The actors of Lost have called the 'Ji Yeon' the most shocking of the first seven episodes." (cue eerie music) FYI There's a photo of Des, Sayid and Captain Gault on this site.

#483. Posted by: lovelost at March 12, 2008 5:41 PM

My 2 cents on grammar and then an attempt to change the subject:

→ 471. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought
Re: I am the Grammarian about whom your mother warned you.

When a sentence is that ugly, there's one other option: rewrite, rewrite or rewrite (ok, three).

Your mother warned you about me; I am the Grammarian.

I am the Grammarian. Your mother warned you about me.

Your mother warned you about Grammarians, now go do your homework.

Moving on...Back on the topic of Aaron, specifically his name. Many have speculated that Aaron will end up being an important figure in the whole mystery of the island. The biblical Aaron was a high priest, older brother of Moses, who became an emissary of sorts to Moses in speaking to the Egyptian court on his behalf. So maybe Aaron is destined to become a mouthpiece in the real world for folks on the island (e.g., Ben).

According to Wikipedia, "At the command of Moses he stretched out his rod in order to bring on the first three plagues."

Plagues, saving the world, Eko's scripture stick, fertility issues...Might be a stretch, but there are some clues indicating Aaron could be one of the keys to the Lost puzzle.

Also, we have seen so many father issues (Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Kate, Ben, etc.) that if it's true that Aaron is an important piece of the puzzle, then it stands to reason that Aaron's father is important as well. So who IS Aaron's father? I'll post some odds, keeping in mind that we don't know for sure who his mother is:

If Claire's Son:
Thomas (pre-isle boyfriend) - 1:1
Ethan (kidnapped her) - 2:1
New Unknown Character - 10:1
Charlie (time travel, memory loss) - 20:1
Claire's Psychic - 25:1
Miles - 50:1
Des (he gets around) - 100:1

If Kate's Son:
Sawyer - 1:1 (too obvious?)
Ben - 15:1
Christian Shepherd - 25:1
Jack - 75:1
Tom/Zeke/Mr. Friendly - 150:1

OK, fine, I'll post odds for Cindy's scarf, cuz if I didn't someone else would have: 1,000,000-1.

#484. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 12, 2008 6:41 PM

@lovelost # Yup, I'm in Florida...how'd you guess (timing of my posts), but technically it's the west coast. I'd love to part with you, vacc, DocH, Clementine, Cecil Rose, RNM, Mac, bcre8ve, JoePike, vikki, Shikote, alias,LAFFO, and so many others on this blog...oh, and Ben's other girl, what's her name again? (Just kidding doublex.) but especially MR NAYSAYER!!! sniff, sniff...if I've forgotten to mention someone, please don't take it personally...I mixed a bit of scarf juice into my wine and I am beginning to see Others...:)

#485. Posted by: meg at March 12, 2008 7:16 PM

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Okay, okay...OKAY!!! Like a bully with a towel in the locker room after gym class, you have all twisted up the wet scarf and fwapped it painfully across my buttocks. What next? Stealing my milk money and the desserts out of my Dharma lunchbox?

Until next time...

Mr_Naysayer

PS - I am starting a hilarious "DR.LESLIE ARZT AND HIS AMAZING TECHNICOLOR ASCOT" blog real soon, then we'll see who pushes around who on this new fangled Internet!! (Insert sinister laugh here)

!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

#486. Posted by: Mr_Nayser at March 12, 2008 7:23 PM

@484

Always love the long shot!

Put me down for $42 on the scarf!

I thought I saw a resemblance between Aaron and the Scarf.... or wait... maybe it was Aaron's blanket and the scarf?

#487. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 7:32 PM

And good times were had by all !

Good to see the humor coming through Mr_Naysayer... 'cept your last post was Nayser. Are you time traveling like Desmond? We need more tough love and/or tough humor here. It keeps folks on track. (Not you MorBid0, I'll see you in hell... or dinner Friday... Chili's okay?). The "Meg Love" is always well received.

As far as bidding on the scarf (sorry to use the S-word) I hope LOST producers have the flash-forward sense to put that little beaut' up for auction on e-bay, following Season 6.

That, or someone steals it, like a lawn gnome, and then photogs' it all over the planet. Scarfy at the top of Eiffel Tower, Scarfy at the Great Pyramids, Scarfy swimming the English Channel, Scarfy stopping tanks in Tiananmen Square, Scarfy docking the Shuttle at the International Space Station... the list goes on... I will not.

#488. Posted by: DocH at March 12, 2008 8:36 PM

@486 Mr_Nayser

Biggest LoL ever....

I'll admit - I did not understand your "DR.LESLIE ARZT AND HIS AMAZING TECHNICOLOR ASCOT" reference.

Now - some of you may recall that I have been re-watching Lost from the beginning. Incidentally, I just finished watching S3e14 - Expose.

Firstly - not all that big of a problem with Paulikki this time round, whereas I remember finding them quite annoying previously.

Secondly - and much more importantly, I finally understand what Mr_Nayser was referencing (as I'm sure others do - I guess this whisked by me).

As you all may recall, Expose is the episode where Paulikki get bitten by the Medusa spider, and are buried alive. Quite a creepy ending! In flashback form, we see Arzt, only this time, I very much noticed that he had a certain something around his neck.

First thought to my mind - Could Arzt be wearing Cindy's scarf?

I'm sure this has been observed somewhere previously, but clearly my mind was not in scarf mode.

Does Arzt wear this in every episode, or is this unique to Expose?

What are the odds that I would watch this episode just after I read your reference? Do I mistake coincidence with fate?

Cheers!

#489. Posted by: shikotee at March 12, 2008 8:58 PM

I'm down for that blog!

#490. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 12, 2008 9:41 PM

?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

@489 - shikotee
Thanks - glad you liked the post...

Enjoy my Naysaying while it lasts... for tomorrow is another day, and another new episode.

I hope we find some answers.

Mr_Naysayer

#491. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 12, 2008 10:40 PM

** NOT a Spoiler **
In an upcoming episode, the Losties discover another hatch with a new Dharma logo:

http://tinyurl*com/25yusl

It is the "Scientific Clothing Accessories Research Foundation" hatch.

#492. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 13, 2008 12:44 AM

Continued from above (492)...

The orientation film mentions something about a missing article of clothing that has escaped and could be considered dangerous.

#493. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 13, 2008 12:48 AM

→ 492. Posted by: bcre8ve
It is the "Scientific Clothing Accessories Research Foundation" hatch.
===============
Sweet. Nice logo. What next? Two scarves wrapped around a "Staff". A place where frayed and knotted clothing accessories go for healing... and fertility therapy. ;-)

#494. Posted by: DocH at March 13, 2008 1:11 AM

@492 bcre8ve

Awesome Scarfie Dharma logo!

It all makes sense now!

Perhaps Cindy's scarf is the "RG-400 Smart Scarf" manufactured by Tynacorp, which is a dummy company of the Dharma Initiative.

Picture this scene (South Park Homage):

RESEARCH LEADER
Thank you for bringing him to us, boys. You see, this is not an ordinary scarf.
He is the RG-400 Smart Scarf, designed
with a computer chip inside the terry cloth.

STAN
We don't care.

RESEARCH LEADER
You see, here at Tynacorp, our goal was to make the perfect scarf. A scarf that would sense how wet or dry the user's skin was and fluff itself accordingly.

STAN (played by Hurley)
Dude, we don't care.

RESEARCH LEADER
Scarfie was our greatest success. Smart
enough to beat the average human at chess and absorbent enough to soak up
even the toughest spills. But then one
day, Scarfie got high and just sort
of wandered off...

#495. Posted by: shikotee at March 13, 2008 1:33 AM

()()()()()()()()()()

Wow... this has officially gone to a whole new level... why did I ever complain? WHHHHYYYYYYYYY?????????

Dear sweet Jacob, please have mercy on us all!!!

Mr.Naysayer

#496. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 13, 2008 7:34 AM

scarf talk has ruined this page..FACT!

#497. Posted by: mattyc14 at March 13, 2008 8:20 AM

I am really beginning to like Mr. Naysayer!! :) He adds a good balance to our group. I want to extend a warm welcome. Just remember not to violate our #1 rule...until tonight (or maybe in ten minutes..)

#498. Posted by: meg at March 13, 2008 8:21 AM

@495 shikotee:

OHMIGOD! The scarf killed Kevin!

#499. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 13, 2008 8:57 AM

500th post? 500th post! We made it!

All praise and honor to Cindy's Scarf! We couldn't have done it without you! Thanks for raising the intellectual level of our discussions!

BTW, there's a new audio podcast on ABC's web site if anyone is interested (posted 3/10). Some good stuff from Lindeloff/Cuse.

#500. Posted by: JoePike at March 13, 2008 10:51 AM

Not to get off topic but...
#483 lovelost brought up the description of this week's episode.

it got me thinking. Sun based her knowlege that her baby was Jin's on the timing of how far along in the pregnancy she was right? Does all this time discrepency stuff change this? Will we discover that the baby really isn't Jin's tonight? And maybe that will lead to the shocking revelation of why time is so messed up?

OK--back to our regularly scheduled edition of SCARF TALK with Rhoda Morganstern

#501. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 13, 2008 11:23 AM

Regarding Post #486 from Mr.Naysayer:

"Like a bully with a towel in the locker room after gym class, you have all twisted up the wet scarf and fwapped it painfully across my buttocks. What next? Stealing my milk money and the desserts out of my Dharma lunchbox?"
and the comment about "DR.LESLIE ARZT AND HIS AMAZING TECHNICOLOR ASCOT"
_______________________________

That is some quality humor! Good job! Mr. Naysayer, I look forward to more of your thoughts - hopefully, after the episode tonight, we get off the subject like you asked way up in your first post.

Come on all ye posters - you have to admit - Naysayer has skills! And oh yeah, so does Meg, ScoobyDude and a bunch of the others I love to read! Thanks!


#502. Posted by: FeelingLost at March 13, 2008 12:05 PM

@ Crispy/#501: What up dude? That's a pretty interesting idea. The other thought I had was this. The problem is if the women conceive on the island, they die. Well, if Sun conceived on the island, then get's off before the 2nd trimester (I believe), will she still die off the island? Is it the place of conception or is it the location of the mother come the 2nd trimester?

I also had another thought. We've all been impressed with Mr_Naysayer's assimilation to the blog regarding ye 'ole scarf....I would have loved to 'time travel' back to when we all deemed Sun's lover as Kareem. That was another fine distractionary item. I think there was even a LOST Caption devoted to that baller. Playboy!!!!

#503. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2008 12:38 PM

@ meg: oh ya....Boca Raton, FL here. Unfortunately I look nothing like Ben, but I can drink with the best of 'em.

#504. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2008 12:45 PM

LOST started filming again this week. They are in the middle of S4E9 production, the first episode after the month long break. The link below discusses who is doing what, and where they are filming (Hawaii & plot-wise). There are over a dozen pics of the set too. Only trek to the sight if you can take the insider info. I now have to hold my tongue until 24 April on the subject.

***** S4E9 SPOILER *****
tinyurl.com/2668zf
***** S4E9 SPOILER *****

#505. Posted by: DocH at March 13, 2008 1:36 PM

-You all everybody:
Just learned that the Washington Post is running a "LOST Madness" contest, a 2-week competition where readers can vote for their favorite character. There are 32 face-offs (ala March Madness) featuring 64 characters (and not a single one is Cindy's Scarf, although Cindy herself is included). It started March 7. To quote the Post: "Start voting now, brotha." The LOST Sweet 16 will be announced today (3/13), then the voting starts over. Just in case you have nothing else to do...

#506. Posted by: lovelost at March 13, 2008 2:28 PM

@ lovelost/#506: Someone posted that a couple days ago. It's ok...I don't think they thought of seedings or eventual potential match-ups. I voted but unfortunately Cindy got completely smashed by Jack in the 1st round. Thus, our very own 'Cindyrella Story' has been eliminated. I wonder who'll make it to the 'Sweet Scarfteen'?

#507. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2008 2:40 PM

I don't think Sun knew about the "pregnancy mortality" issue when she found out whose baby it was. Juliette only told Jack about the timing of said mortality. So the bad news this week will be, you need to get off the island in the next 2 weeks, and these guys aren't here to take you back to civilization.

#508. Posted by: Rudy at March 13, 2008 2:41 PM

-507 RNM.
I honestly do read each and every one of these posts, but my brain simply cannot retain all of them.

However, it was worth the repeat just to prompt your Cindyrella and Sweet Scarfteen references.

#509. Posted by: lovelost at March 13, 2008 2:46 PM

@499 Posted by: Cecil Rose

re: "OHMIGOD! The scarf killed Kevin!"

Those Bastards!!!

So....

I'm pretty much at the end of S3, and now that we know that Widmore is connected, I can't help but wonder how Mr. Paik is gonna fit into all of this.
Could he be pulling Widmore's strings?

#510. Posted by: shikotee at March 13, 2008 2:51 PM

@508 Posted by: Rudy

Not true. Juliette told Sun about the mortality issue, and even gave a time-line in D.O.C. - two months. Sun accepted this - she was just happy that the baby was Jin's.

Sun did not tell Jin about the mortality issue though.....

#511. Posted by: shikotee at March 13, 2008 3:03 PM

@ shikotee: I have to tell you two things.

1) I'm so jealous of you because you have either retired, won the lottery (or as I call it the lothurley), or just flat out refused to enter the workplace ever again....cause you sure have blazed through all three seasons of LOST on DVD. I'm sooooooooooooo jealous!!

2) Whenever I read your posts I get excited....not only because they are quality...but because when I read the author, I consistently mispronounce your name by saying 'shitokee'....I love it!!

#512. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2008 3:21 PM

@ meg
so it seems you love Mr_Naysayer and potentially RNM.

and I? Oh I love BENJAMIN LINUS, JoePike, and Mac. =D

Ha.

Ok anyway...

TODAY'S THE BIG DAYY!!! We find out who the Oceanic 6 are, who the MOTB is... and MANY OTHER THINGS... hopefully.

Do you think since the episode has to do with Sun and Jin, that one of them, or both of them are apart of the six?

JoePike is going to have to eat his chocolate hat tonight.

@ bcre8ve - 492
AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Once again... kudos, kudos.

@ Mr_Naysayer - 491
You're becoming quite popular here! At least you start off as being hated, then you become loved... with me, it just ended with the "hate"... and all I had to give was LOVE... oh and sarcastic comments that encouraged people to not love me back... that could actually explain a lot of things. =D

Anyway... you KNOW you love the scarf. The scarf does kill time... makes time go by faster... this morning I woke up and I was like, "IT'S ALREADY THURSDAY!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!"

So bacically all I talked about to everyone in school today was LOST; and everyone told me to shut up because barely any of them watch it... and even if they did... they aren't as obsessed as I am.

Yeah, you guys don't care. Sorry.

So Aaron is NOT going to be one of the six... and then it will leave two other people... and IF for some read Sayid isn't either (but I think he defintely is...) then that would be funny.

How does everyone know that the writers read this blog? -- ...pretty darn cool.

P.S.
You know what would be even COOLER? If the writers also secretly posted on this blog but pretended that they weren't the writers. (*hint*hint*) Just kidding... but that would be cool.

#513. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 13, 2008 4:49 PM

Doublex? I like that. =D

So I found a lot of typos and grammatical errors in my previous post. I apologize.

Oh and if you didn't get the sentence where I said "...and IF for some read Sayid isn't either (but I think he defintely is...) then that would be funny."

The "read" was supposed to say "reason".

I can point out about 7 other mistakes as well... but that would be pointless. That was just one mistake that i thought may have potentially confused people.

Sometimes I don't re-read my posts because I feel ashamed of myself.

Looks like RNM and Meg wanna chill.

#514. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 13, 2008 4:57 PM

What did one scarf (mine) say to the other scarf (Meg's)?

Ready to tie one on?

#515. Posted by: lovelost at March 13, 2008 5:19 PM

@512 Posted by: Red...Neck...Man

I must say that I most certainly am mismanaging my time most inefficiently. Alas - I am not a fan of the DVD. For me, the .avi file has replaced much physical clutter. And with my classic Powerbook 12' PPC, my view times take place within a wide range of different environments.

For example, where am I now?
Let's just say that Paulo and I have some similar habits! ;)

And on that note, I suppose "shit-okay" is rather poignant... (oh blush!)

Anyhoots - off to an important meeting...

All for one, and scarf for all!!!

PS

Bon appetite chapeau eaters of the "My Oceanic Six includes Aaron" persuasion!

#516. Posted by: shikotee at March 13, 2008 5:22 PM

@516/shikotee "...where am I now? Let's just say that Paulo and I have some similar habits!"

Anyone else feel a sudden urge to wash their hands after reading that past?

----

[in true Star Wars fashion...]

"A long time he go - in a toilet seat scarf, scarf away..."

#517. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 13, 2008 5:44 PM

Le Chocolat Chapeau Societe de Champagne would like to offer a 50% discount to anyone who thinks l'enfant Aaron is un of the six.

#518. Posted by: Scuby-Doud at March 13, 2008 5:48 PM

-518 Scooby-Doud
Mais, Oui! Did somebody say champagne??

My high school French is coming back.
Force majeure: Ben
Femme fatale: Rousseau, Kate, Charlotte
Haute cuisine: rabbit, of course
Haute couture: this could only be one thing
Raison d'etre: pushing the button
Tour de force: Sayid
Au pair: Kate
Cherchez la femme: Aha! The other woman
Je ne sais quoi: LOST. Period.
Coup de grace: we'll know in 2010

Obviously killing time (and, yes, at work).

#519. Posted by: lovelost at March 13, 2008 6:12 PM

Meg est dans La Trappe d'Écharpe.

Le chapeau de Choco sont bon chez Pâques.

Aaron n'est pas l'un des Six.

Michael est sur le bateau. Mais Michael n'est pas l'homme sur le bateau.

Où est la bibliothèque?

Deux heures, seize minutes et compte...

#520. Posted by: Clémentine at March 13, 2008 6:44 PM

-520 Clementine

C'est bien! Au revoir jusqu'a demain.

#521. Posted by: lovelost at March 13, 2008 7:02 PM

@RNM/503 writes..The other thought I had was this. The problem is if the women conceive on the island, they die. Well, if Sun conceived on the island, then get's off before the 2nd trimester (I believe), will she still die off the island? Is it the place of conception or is it the location of the mother come the 2nd trimester?

If it's conception on the Island, then there's a huge problem fo Sun and "Other" pregnant women. If it's where the mother is @ 2nd Trimester then..Have they not thought to relocate their pregnant women off-Island??? by means of Sub (pre-Locke) or however they traveled to the States, and bring them back after delivery.

I guess we'll find out if Sun makes it off the Island and her pregnancy is successful...then the Island is okie-dokie for nookie-nookie. (or the baby is not Jin's...dun..dun..dun...)

#522. Posted by: green at March 13, 2008 7:49 PM

@bcre8ve: Love the Scarf station logo!

THE ARROW: Storage/mathematical work (?)
THE STAFF: Medical
THE SWAN: Electromagnetism
THE FLAME: Communication
THE PEARL: Psychological
THE ORCHID: Not botanical research :)
THE HYDRA: Zoological
THE LOOKING GLASS: Unknown
THE TEMPEST: Electrical/biochemical (?)
THE SCARF: Purely recreational

Let's discover the Six minutes and counting...

#523. Posted by: Clementine at March 13, 2008 8:55 PM

RNMiL

#524. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 17, 2008 12:32 PM

http://geo.ya.com/kotimare/ preved

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