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Key Points from "Meet Kevin Johnson"

Season 4, Episode 8
Episode Air Date: 03/20/08

Point 1




I'm nominating Michael for the "Lost's Most Tortured Soul" award. This is one screwed up dude.

We see the depths of Michael's torment in this episode's super-long backstory (or was it a future flash? ... just kidding). The backstory begins in the early moments when Sayid and Desmond confront Michael on the freighter (he reappeared last week). Here's what we learn:

  • Michael and Walt escaped to New York, but at some point during the trip Michael made the mistake of telling Walt that he shot two of the tailies and conspired with Ben, all in an effort to save Walt from the delicious ham dinners and air-conditioned condos of Bennsylvania.

    Michael's revelation cuts a Grand Canyon-sized rift between father and son, and so, when we check in on Michael during this episode's backstory, Walt is living with his grandmother (Michael's mom) and he has no desire to see or talk to his murderous father.

    Sidenote: We catch a brief glimpse of Walt in the window of his grandmother's house. From what I can tell, the "Lost" crew did some CG voodoo to superimpose footage of a 10-year-old Walt into this scene. He looks like the same little kid who left the island, not Tall Ghost Walt.

  • The combination of Walt's shunning and Michael's overflowing guilt drives Mikey past the brink. I say "past" because Michael tries to commit suicide multiple times. He initially opts for the dramatic route by pinning a suicide note to his jacket and ramming his car into a cargo container on the docks (have we seen that car before?). But he survives the crash, so his next attempt is a more straightforward gun-bullet-boom affair.

    But this is where things get VERY INTERESTING.

    As Michael crouches in a dark, dingy alley and prepares to pull the trigger, an old foe/friend appears from the New York mist.

    It's TOM!

    Michael is stunned to see the man who kidnapped Walt standing in front of him ... in New York City ... wearing a stylish overcoat and sporting a fresh splash of Grecian.

    We soon learn that Tom's News York itinerary has three key items:

    1. Live large in a pricey penthouse and get jiggy with Arturo, an escort from the Others After Dark agency ("serving discreet islanders and New York governors since 1977").

    2. Get Michael to infiltrate the freighter crew and thwart Charles Widmore's evil island plan (or something like that ... this Widmore vs. Ben thing is full of misinformation).

    3. Inform Michael that his suicide attempts will continue to be thwarted by the island. Personally, I thought this was way more important that Michael's undercover brother act. If Tom is telling the truth -- and based on what we see in this episode, it appears he is -- then the island has the ability to control people and events. Michael puts the island's mojo to the test by attempting to shoot himself -- TWICE -- with a fully loaded gun. The gun doesn't fire on the first attempt, and Michael's second go is interrupted by breaking news of Oceanic 815's (fake) discovery at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. Bottom line: The island can jam guns and file news reports and send messages from dead rockers whenever it damn well pleases.

  • Tom uses guilt and documentation to woo Michael into Ben's service. The guilt is the easy part -- Tom says Mikey can redeem his past misdeed by "saving" Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Claire etc. from Charles Widmore and his evil Freighter Folk.

    The documentation, however, now that's the interesting bit ...

    Tom shows Michael a folder that supposedly ties Charles Widmore to the Oceanic 815 hoax. The folder contains a picture of dug-up graves in Thailand (this is where Widmore got the 324 bodies), a purchase order for a 777, and a ship log from the freighter that dumped the faux-Oceanic 815 in a deep ocean trench.

    Michael seems kinda-sorta convinced by the documentation, but, as usual, his rampant narcissism is more keyed in to the "how can this help me" bit. Redemption sounds pretty good -- especially since the island locked the door to his death suite -- so he joins Team Ben.

  • Ben uses his connections to get Michael a job on the freighter as a deck-hand. The job has a variety of perks: a new identity (Kevin Johnson), fancy new credentials, a stylish hoodie, and a bomb to blow up the freighter.

    Or so Michael thinks.

    Toward the end of the flashback, Michael summons all his moxie and hauls a briefcase bomb down to the freighter's engine room. He activates the bugger and fends off guilt and hallucinations (he sees "Libby" two times in this episode ... apparently Ana doesn't bother with messages from the Great Beyond), and then he presses the bomb's big red EXECUTE button and waits for sweet explosive relief.

    But it never comes. Turns out, the bomb is a dud/test/message from Ben (it's a high-tech version of a Looney Tunes gun, complete with a snarky "Not Yet" paper message).

    Just as Michael's guilt and confusion reach the breaking point, he receives a call from "Walt" over the radio. But it's not Walt. It's Ben, posing as Walt (he gets eviler and eviler every week). Ben tells Michael that unlike Charles Widmore, Ben would never, ever kill innocent people. When Michael asks how Libby and Ana factor into that conclusion, Ben digs a dagger deep into Michael's guilt hole:

    "You killed them Michael ... no one asked you to."


    So, to conclude, Ben tells Michael that his mission -- his real mission -- is to gather all sorts of intel on the freighter crew and then destroy the ship's radio and engine and, presumably, save all his island friends in the process.

    And that's when the backstory ends.

The timeline shifts back to the present (or what we perceive to be the present ... you can never be sure with this show), and we see Sayid's reaction to Michael's story.

Sayid -- the guy who will eventually become Ben's hitman -- hauls Michael into Capt. Gault's quarters and spills the beans. He reveals Michael's association with Oceanic 815, he reveals Michael's real name, and he says Michael is the sneaky saboteur.

So, that's that on the Michael front. (Did anyone else think Capt. Gault was about to look at Michael, look back at Sayid, then say "I know"?).

Point 2


Let us all bow our heads and scratch at head lice as we honor the memory of Crazy Danielle Rousseau (and Karl).

Yes, my friends, Rousseau is gone (I think ... unless she pulls a Locke and recovers from a mortal bullet wound because of an earlier organ theft). She died valiantly, attempting to leading Alex and Karl to the safety of the island's Temple.

She also died stupidly ... for some ridiculous reason, Rousseau follows Ben's recommendation (and directions!) to seek safety with the other Others in the as-yet-unseen Temple. As the trio reaches uncharted island territory, mysterious gunmen with mysterious bullets take down Karl and Rousseau and leave Alex all by her lonesome.

In the final moments, Alex flails her arms and reveals her identity as Ben's daughter, presumably believing that her familial standing can be used by the invisible gunners as a bargaining chip in a future Ben Linus apprehension.

Rest in Peace, Crazy Danielle Rousseau. You spoke French and stole babies and blew crap up with the best of them.

Point 3
Locke The preview for the next episode spilled the beans on the Oceanic Six (I think). As Booming Announcer Man said the phrase "the Oceanic 6...", we clearly see Aaron. Granted, it's not straight from the producers' mouths, but it's the closest thing to confirmation we've had yet.

So, until further review, I'm working under the assumption that the Oceanic Six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron.

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "Uh, we kinda like knew that forever ago." -- Hurley, responding to Miles' revelation that the freighter folk are targeting Ben.
  • Second Best Line: "Can you imagine what would happen if we found some of those people alive?" -- Frank Lapidus, reveling in the "X-file" goodness of the Oceanic hoax.
  • I think Tom's New York visit takes place around episode 16 or 17 of season 3. We saw Tom in "The Man from Tallahassee (season 3, episode 13) and he pops up again -- and dies -- in "Through the Looking Glass" (season 3, episode 22). In "Meet Kevin Johnson," we see a brief freighter scene where Naomi argues with Frank about who will be the first to fly to the island (Naomi wins and she soon crashes in "Catch-22"). Based on all this, I'm guessing that Tom's weekend of New York debauchery takes place around the time of "One of Us." Of course, that assumes island time and off-island time are synchronized, which seems doubtful. So it's possible all this occurs in 1988.
  • Speaking of Tom ... he reveals that "some" of the Others have off-island privileges. The list includes (or included): Ben, Tom, Ethan, Richard Alpert, and the dude who gets the snot kicked out of him by Charles Widmore. Anyone else?
  • Administrative note: We won't have another episode of "Lost" until April 24. The good news is that we've got five more episodes. The bad news is the show will return in a later time slot, 10 p.m. on Thursdays. Boo! Too late! Hisssss!

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"The Shape of Things to Come" -- Looks like Sayid gets another dose of future-flash (note: episode title and description are not confirmed). Airs Thursday, April 24, 2008 at 10 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Posted by Mac Slocum on March 20, 2008 11:42 PM |

Wrote this before Mac posted, just to let you know!

All in all, Michael still seemed annoying to me, though I was really hoping this wouldn't be the case.

What didn't help was starting the show with the previous clips that I love to make fun of, such as - "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!"

What kind of an idiot would tell his 10 year old son that he killed two people to free him? What a major douche-bag! Father of the year indeed!

Michael's mom not letting him see Walt was really really weak. Could they not come up with a better excuse? It just seemed so contrived.

Nice to see Libby, but sadly no new info on her :(

We all sensed Tom was gay - but how the heck did he get to New York so fast? Magic Box?

And the powers of the island grow stronger and weirder. I wonder what Tom did to cheese off the island - it let him die!

I guess Lapidus flew the chopper to the island and dropped off the hired beefcake goons, and they are the ones that shot Karl/Rousseau?

Ciao Karl - we never really knew ya, but someone had to go - the promotions promised death. Rousseau's a tough lady - she'll still be kicking. And Alex - did she look hot in this episode or was it just me? Je t'aime!!!

So.... Mr. Paik's expensive and no doubt rare inscribed watch has been sold. Will this lead to anything?

I dunno - this episode seemed like a let down, but I imagine this was due to my dislike of the Michael/Kevin character. I just can't buy into him. Re-watching S2 really reminded me of how annoying he was - maybe if I hadn't watched it, my opinion would be different? It will be interesting to see what others think.

The one obvious thing that did make me smile was the reference to "The Shining".
I think it is pretty clear now that the producers do in fact read this blog, and that they are capable of time traveling a-la Des"mind" mode. How else can you explain the axe reference? What are the odds huh?

I think watching S1-S4 within a two week span helped me develop Miles-like psychic abilities!

Speaking of which - it was cool/creepy that he picked up on the Kevin name lie!

And now - the denial stage. No more for a month.

Maybe I'll enjoy it a little more when I watch it a 2nd time?


#1. Posted by: shikotee at March 20, 2008 11:47 PM

First POst Woohoo!

#2. Posted by: Jenny Talia at March 20, 2008 11:48 PM

What was your pleasure tonight, Mac - Tylenol, Advil or just plain aspirin?

#3. Posted by: JT at March 20, 2008 11:49 PM


In a window, really far away. But looking like a 10-year old again.

I have to say, I was a little bored with Michael’s suicidal tendencies, until Kung Fu Zeke showed up. Now, let the debate begin: Was Tom real or an apparition?

Lostpedia research yields the following timeline:
Day 67 ~ Michael and Walt leave the island
Day 67 to 74 ~ Tom is accounted for every day with last appearance in “Stranger in a Strange Land”
Day 75 to 79 ~ Tom does not appear in episodes
Day 80 ~ Tom returns in “Par Avion”
Day 80 to 93 ~ Tom is accounted for every day
Day 87 ~ Naomi’s helicopter crashes
Day 93 ~ Tom is killed by Sawyer

That would indicate that Tom could only be off the island from within 8-12 days of Michael and Walt leaving. So Michael and Walt return to civilization, become estranged, and Michael attempts suicide several times, including a recovery from the car crash, within 8-12 days? No way. (I can’t even believe the entire off-island story happened within 20 days. The freighter had to be there by Day 87.)

And ghostly apparitions don’t normally have boyfriends named Arturo or a killer right hook, so…

OMG … Tom is Rabbit 15!!!

IGNBB = I’m gonna need a bigger brain (and a lot more time to wrap it around that concept)

The ship to shore (or freighter to closet) call between Michael and Ben was AWESOME! I need to watch that about ten more times. Ben plays Michael like Yo-Yo Ma plays the cello. Mesmerizing! And then Ben ends the conversation by granting Michael absolution of his sins! Death must look pretty good to ole Kevin at this point.

But Rousseau is not dead. No, no, no! I refuse to believe it. Unless she returns in a future episode to reveal her backstory. In that case, I guess she can be dead.

That scene was also very well done. As Rousseau walked away from Alex and Karl, I thought for sure she was a goner. And then Karl gets tagged and I laugh (because of the expression on his face, and because my first thought was, “He’s not even wearing a red shirt.”) But I really didn’t see the second kill-shot coming.

My candidates for the rifleman: Lapidus, Charlotte, Mikhail or Cindy’s Scarf. But whoever it was, I think Ben gave the order. Karl was getting a little “handsy” and Rousseau was taking away from his daddy-daughter time.

Random thoughts:

So, Miles is not only a ghost-whisperer, but also a telepath. Or at least he can discern when someone is lying. Cool! Wonder what he’s gleaned from our Losties? I’m guessing he only gets static when he tries to “read” Bug-Eyes!

If Michael bought into the idea that he could not kill himself because the island didn’t want him to die, why would he think that he could set off that bomb? Or did he believe that by working for Ben, he was doing what the island wanted. Irrelevant, I know, but other than the Libby apparition, that scene was kind of pointless, as we knew Michael would have to survive. And what was the deal with the “Not Yet” fortune cookie message? Just Ben messing with Michael?

That spooky freighter rocks! But I hope we see more of Libby than just random ghost sightings.

Captain Gault goes down a few notches on the hotness meter. Psychopaths are not attractive.

Minkowski only started time-jumping after he left the freighter on a raft? Was Regina and/or Dan with him?

Gault didn’t seem too surprised at Sayid’s outing of Michael.

The most heart-wrenching scene for me was Tom’s expression of horror when he said to Michael, “You told him. You confessed your crime to a 10-year old to make yourself feel better.” (paraphrasing) Now that’s a tragedy.

#4. Posted by: Clementine at March 20, 2008 11:53 PM

Wow, did Alex ever grow up during the last couple episodes!

#5. Posted by: JT at March 20, 2008 11:53 PM

I didn't read Mac's review yet because I'm typing this at like 10:30 PM... So once again... Sorry if I contradict or repeat anything he says. I just need to "let it out".

So um.... OMG.

That episode was CRAZYYYYYYYYY.

They did ANSWER more questions than they ASKED. Guess it's okay to have high expectations sometimes.

A lot of us called the whole "Michael getting off island, Ben recruiting him" thing.

But still... OMG.

So I'm not sure Miles can ONLY talk to dead people... It sort of seems like he can read peoples minds as well. But then again, he'd probably know that his name was Michael Dawson and he was on board Oceanic 815.

Anyway... Ben's a flipping GENIUS.

So after ALL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH, all that "bonding", and all that SACRIFICE, Walt ditches his dad because he killed Libby and Ana-Lucia.

No one liked them anyway. But I guess the losties didn't know that Libby was a psychopath.

... well, we don't know that either, but I think we can only assume that at the least.

JoePike -- Apparently Aaron is one of the six. Want a cookie?

So... "the island won't let them" commit suicide? What's up with that?!

I was like, "TOM!" right when he told Michael to stop, before they showed him. Then the first thing that came into my mind was "Mr. Friendly throws like a girl". Haha.

Sayid was mean. Then again, after everything Michael did to them... Anyone would do that.

REGARDLESS -- Michael was still there to SAVE them. -- The captain didn't look that surprized.

So Michael IS Ben's man on the boat... evidently.

There was something else REALLY BIG that happened... but I can't remember. RATS!

This wasn't the thing... but people seem to have different opinions of who the "good guys" are. -- My vote's for Ben.

What really "touched" me was when Ben said, "Innocent people don't deserve to die Michael" or something like that.

May have been a hamburger filled with BS, but I believe Benjamin Linus does have a "soft side".

So Karl and Rosseau are dead? Karl was cute!!! But Rosseau was creepy and annoying. Alex is SHELFISH. -- Jump in the ocean fool.

Okay... Now I will read everything. Or I'll wait till tomorrow.


#6. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 20, 2008 11:58 PM

Some predicted the Tom backstory (Kate - You’re not my type) Tom Friendly is Gay Friendly… mystery solved.

LOST is all about redemption… yada, yada. Guess what... Michael stepped up to the plate this week and hit the redemption ball out of the park.

Fake Waaaallllttt in grandmas’ upstairs window looked… well… fake!

About Michaels’ suicide crash, in his leprechaun green Impala (I didn’t figure Michael as an “Up With People” music fan)… did anyone notice the Widmore Freighter chugging along in the background?

Michael FB news: He tossed a Motorola mk203i into the drink in Fiji before sailing, so... he must have FB'd back to 1993 "the Year of the Slug" (sarcasm).

Full moon tonight. Fool Sun last episode. Many answers solved - many more raised.

As for “what happened to the second helicopter?”… my guess is that it was on an errand (not the same errand as last week)… PERHAPS Naomi and her initial “strike team” had just launched on their mission. We saw her earlier in the voyage, but we did not see her after the “one helo” scene. Things were going on with the freighter folks, and we never saw the freighter tots, other than Frank. Did we see Frank on deck when we only saw one helo? That means someone else flew the 1st

helo mission - which we assume - because only Naomi survived the 1st mission (barely).

Guess we won’t get the Rousseau FB after all (or Karl). Bet the target practice on the boat had the same shooters that dropped Danielle and Karl. HMMMMM? Karl

and Danielle were the two that stood between Ben and Alex. How much do you want to bet that Ben is behind their deaths? You know… to get closer to Alex. (rut-roh scooby). WHY did Ben pick that moment, just then, to talk to them alone AND send them off (alone) with a ’special’ map… just for them? It could have been a

map solely to drive them in to his ambush. Temple - Shmemple! I bet that map’s not worth the Dharma toilet paper it was printed on. Alex was most likely Ben’s target, not Widmores’ target.

Footnote: How cool did Ben look in his Hugh Hefner jammies talking on his ham-radio to Michael? I expected Miss December to stroll out and perch on his lap, then give him a peck on the cheek. Also "well if I told everybody, it wouldn't be a sanctuary."

FAMOUS (LOST) last words- Karl "What if your dad's playing us?"

#7. Posted by: DocH at March 21, 2008 12:05 AM

@2. Posted by: Jenny Talia

Or so you thought....

#8. Posted by: shikotee at March 21, 2008 12:05 AM

@mac: "Let us all bow our heads and scratch at head lice as we honor the memory of Crazy Danielle Rousseau (and Karl)."

My head lice are now wearing black armbands.

Were the empty graves supposedly in Thailand or Taiwan? I don't know why, I thought I heard Taiwan. But maybe there's some connection to Jack's pointless adventure in Thailand (and his tattoos).

I have to go back through Tom's island timeline. I really like the idea that he could be in more than one place at a time (Rabbit 15).

GRAAM - and in record time tonight!

Have you thought about when you'll post when the show returns to 10pm? Or are you just looking forward to a six-week hiatus?

Anyway, thanks as always, and have a nice holiday!

#9. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:10 AM

"Live large in a pricey penthouse and get jiggy with Arturo, an escort from the Others After Dark agency ("serving discrete islanders and New York governors since 1977")."

Too funny!

Mac, dude, do NOT get how you think these flash events transpired in 1988 "it's possible all this occurs in 1988." ????

#10. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 12:11 AM

@JoePike: Boy, you are one lucky son-of-a-gun! You came this close to eating Claire's wig. But I will concede that the teaser after the show, "Now we know who the Oceanic Six are" with Aaron's face prominently displayed was intended to put the debate to rest.

Now I'm going to have to find someone else to eat Claire's wig. Who wants to make a bet that Rousseau is not really dead?

#11. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:20 AM

Damn ... I feel really stupid ... is there some joke about 1988 that I'm missing? It's driving me crazy!

#12. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 12:21 AM

When Tom said the island won't let you die until you've finished your business (or whatever it intends for its victims) made me think immediately of Jack's plight at the end of season 3.

When the crash occurred just as he was about to off himself, it seemed like he was 'saved yet again'. Which would explain why he's so insistent to return at the end with Kate.

This episode was rather anticlimatic to me since the producers promised it would leave us with a great cliff hanger. Meh.

I wonder if the sniper is one of their own. And I bet Ben knew they would die if they headed into the Temple area without his prior consent (as in the ones guarding it didn't know anyone else is coming). He's so evil but so very fascinating.

#13. Posted by: Silhouette at March 21, 2008 12:22 AM

Hey! I'm among the earliest posters!

Haven't read tonight's Key Points yet, but just wanted to say I love your work Mac.

And the show just keeps getting more and more intriguing. I hope the final explanation ties up even half of the lose ends they've woven. Remember when the smoke monster and the numbers seemed like the most important mysteries in the world?

Great blog, great community of smart Lost fans and thoughtful posters.

#14. Posted by: ron at March 21, 2008 12:23 AM

Well, this episode filled in some gaps . . . . let’s see . . first, Tom is gay . . . I’m not sure what that has to do with anything, except it is hard to believe . . . afterall, he doesn’t REALLY dress THAT well!

According to the previews, Aaron IS a member of le six.

Wow, the whole Michael story in one fell swoop! A little contrived, but at least we didn’t have to drudge thru six weeks of episodes to get to the ship . . .

Shocker ending! So, do you suppose that all those gunmen on the ship are now actually on the island, compliments of helicopter-boy, and killing everything in sight? I hate to see CFW get the ax. I was really hoping for a back story on her sometime . . .

Obviously, Widmore is THE BAD GUY here. At least when he dug up all those people in Thailand (or wherever) he was neat about it. There didn’t appear to be any unseemly mounds of grave dirt or broken old coffins for that matter lying around after the fact. Let’s give him points for meticulous detailing and neatness.

On the other hand, he may be so dastardly, that Ben actually does come off as a GOOD GUY in the end . . . Remember:

And in the end, the love you make is equal to the love you take.


And, at last, the “Temple” and folks there are mentioned. (Of course, since CANE was canceled, our resident forever-living Richard can finally return to the “lost fold” . . ) That is, if anybody can survive the “war” that’s coming . . . Looks like nasty times are ahead . . .

We do know that, regardless of what Locke saw, TALL WALT is not on the island. In fact, he is with his grandmother, and by the silhouette in the window, has returned to his short pudgy pre-flight size . . . . I only wish I had that dimension-correctional ability!

Well, in spite of all this, there is good news for all the LOST PEOPLE this weekend.

There's a great story on tap Sunday morning!!!

Have a good one.

#15. Posted by: davidrh at March 21, 2008 12:23 AM

@ealgumby: No inside joke about 1988 (that I'm aware of) but I do think mac was just making light of the confusing nature of the timelines on the show this season.

#16. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:23 AM

my only question is "who was in the cofin" Jack went to the funerial of someone he and Kate knew?(in his flash forward)...was it Sayid? was it some one from the Oceanic 6??

#17. Posted by: Lostjunkie at March 21, 2008 12:26 AM

@Silhouette #13: "This episode was rather anticlimatic to me since the producers promised it would leave us with a great cliff hanger."

Last week was the promised "great reveal" which was Jin's death (or supposed death).

The producers originally wanted to save the "Meet Kevin Johnson" episode for after the break, as it supposedly starts off a new chapter, but the powers-that-be at the network decided to air it now.

#18. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:28 AM

"Now we know who the Oceanic Six are with Aaron's face prominently displayed was intended to put the debate to rest."
No we don't. All we know is who the country rubes are in this blog. Commercial promo does not equal Aired saga/show. That is the biggest three card monty tease in the business... the voiceover says one thing and the screen shows another... dope t' dope t' doh. Must be the same story, shucks Jethro. The creators have not confirmed the 6th sixer.

#19. Posted by: DocH at March 21, 2008 12:28 AM


Phew ... thought I was going to have to point out that Michael had a 2005+ stereo in his car! ;)

#20. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 12:30 AM

@DocH #19: "country rubes" may be a little harsh, but if you're willing to eat Claire's wig when you're wrong, I'll forgive you ;)

#21. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:32 AM

One thing that I found interesting is that apparently (judging by the map that Ben gives to Alex) the Temple is another Dharma hatch or station. I had thought it was going to be the ruins of some structure built by the original islanders.

#22. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 12:34 AM


What I found interesting, is that it is apparently up in the hills/mountains, and hence immune to any gas attack.

#23. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 12:38 AM

Sayid should like Michael...Sayid loved Shannon,he had affection for her...Anna lucia killed Shannon...Michael killed Anna Lucia....i rest my case...

#24. Posted by: tiny at March 21, 2008 12:38 AM

Well, this epi sure gives the name "Mr Friendly" a while new meaning. Anagram for "TOM" = OTM as in Other Team Member (as in plays for)

I am hoping that Rousseau is not truly dead but only mostly dead. I was looking forward to her FB. It may be that she is dead but will appear in someone else's FB - or FF playing someone's nurse. [8^)

#25. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 12:41 AM

Oh yeah... one more thing:

Did anyone else that Regina was played last week by that Kiwi (not Aussie!) stunt girl/actress that Tarantino tried to make a star in his Deathproof, half of the Grindhouse double feature? Since she is a pretty big name, and brings great stunt kills to the table, I cant believe she's really gone down into the inky depths with heavy chains wrapped around her. In other words, I predict she'll be back kicking someone's ass in an amped-up fight scene, or doing some other amazing stunts.

#26. Posted by: ron at March 21, 2008 12:44 AM

Thanks, mac—great review as always!

Well, it was nice to get something fairly straightforward (Michael's flashback), even though as Clementine pointed out (#4), it's not possible w/the timeline of Tom's "availability." At first I thought it was Ghost-Tom like when Hurley saw Ghost-Charlie, but I never heard of ghosts patronizing escort services (& mac, my nomination for best line of this review is "serving discreet [sorry, I just had to fix the spelling] islanders and New York governors since 1977").

If I remember correctly, Michael's mom tells him that he was gone for two months, which is pretty consistent w/Michael & Walt's departure from the island on Day 67. That seems to imply that they found rescue pretty fast. Who rescued them & why didn't Michael tell the rescuers that they were from Flight 815? And if Michael didn't tell the rescuers they were from Flight 815, how did he explain who he & Waaaaaalllllllltttttttt were & how they had ended up on a small boat in the South Pacific?

It sure seems to me that Ben deliberately sent Alex, Karl, & Danielle into an ambush to separate Alex from her new "family." One of Ben's mottos is obviously "the end justifies the means."

Does Locke not know about Ben's secret wardrobe room w/all the passports & money? I thought that Sayid left the door open when he went running to Kate.

#27. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 21, 2008 12:45 AM

@bcre8ve #22: "One thing that I found interesting is that apparently ... the Temple is another Dharma hatch or station."

If it has a cool Scarf logo, we'll know the producers read this blog for sure! And you can live off the royalities ;)

#28. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:46 AM

Actress who played Regina: Zoe Bell, who rocks in Deathproof.

#29. Posted by: ron at March 21, 2008 12:47 AM

Still mad about the whole Aaron thing. I have a feeling JoePike is going to rub it in my face.

Maybe I'll go to sleep now and read everything tomorrow.

Boo. =[

Is it safe to say that I still don't think that Aaron is one of the six?

...Probably not.

#30. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 21, 2008 12:51 AM

GRAA, Mac! You had some really funny quips tonight.

I don't think the freighties shot Karl and Danielle. They were practicing with automatics in Michael's flashback; these shots seemed to come from silenced sniper rifles. I'm not saying it couldn't be the freighties, but they made a significant change in their weaponry if that's the case.

@shikotee/1: Alex was smokin' hot in this episode. It wasn't just you.

#31. Posted by: James at March 21, 2008 12:51 AM

"It may be that she is dead but will appear in someone else's FB - or FF playing someone's nurse. [8^)"

"If Mr. McMurphy doesn't want to take his medication orally, I'm sure we can arrange that he can have it some other way. But I don't think you'd like it,
Mr. McMurphy.

You'd like it, wouldn't you, Hard-on?"

#32. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 12:52 AM

DarkUFO has the translation of the inscription on the back of Jin's watch already. Nothing exciting, but thought I would share:

mutual cooperation
business development
Mr. Paik

#33. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 12:59 AM


Alex was at the top of my hot list couple eps ago, when everyone was cryin' Shannon/Claire ... back off you dogs ...

#34. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 1:00 AM

When they revealed that Widmore (or maybe it was really Ben) had pulled 300+ bodies from Thailand, I thought maybe it was related to the 2004 Tsunami, but then the dates wouldn't exactly match. Then again, island time is not the same as everywhere else...

I thought that the "cliffhanger" or shocker the producers had promised was that Michael was the one in the coffin, at the funeral Jack attended in last season's finale, and this being a Michael episode, it seemed all too certain for me.

Then again, that might still be Michael's coffin, since it seems no one bothered to visit him at his funeral, not even Walt.

#35. Posted by: drivera at March 21, 2008 1:07 AM

Sayid has a plan. He never does anything without thinking it through, so something that will benefit him and the other folks will come out of him "outing" Michael.

#36. Posted by: Joshua Hamzehee at March 21, 2008 1:24 AM

So with the information that the island wouldn't let Michael kill himself does this mean that when Jack tried to kill himself by jumping off the bridge in his future flash, the island causes the accident that prevents him?

I also thought it was interesting how Ben said he doesn't kill innocent people and then we see him send Rosseau and Karl off to their deaths. He is such a creep.

#37. Posted by: Rob at March 21, 2008 1:26 AM

Hey all,
There was something really strange and disjointed about this epi for me.

I think the motivation for Michael getting on the freighter was weak but he doesn't have much of a life anyway. Yes, he is a very tortured soul. I do think the actor is great and it was good to see him again....I think the fact the the island won't let you kill yourself was more interesting.

I hate Ben I think he is screwing with everybody. I do think he had Rousseau and Karl killed.

I don't know, I think something is really wrong I don't trust Ben or Charles Whitmore.

#38. Posted by: nettie at March 21, 2008 1:37 AM

I for one LOVE BEN!. I was thinking during the episode about the time that Henry Gail was only signed on for a few episodes and look at him now. Lately has been getting more air time than our Party of 5 star.
I am going to miss Rousseau, I really thought, after their first encounter, that she and Sayid were gonna get it on!

but wow, is Future Sayid not the BIGGEST hypocrite ever! Unless outting him was a plan, and will not put KJ in any harm whatsoever.

Has anyone had heard any theories about Libby being an other, and the travel to and from the Island (pre crash) made her crazy like Menkowski and Des, hence seeing her in the mental hospital with Hurley back a few seasons ago??

too much to think about.

#39. Posted by: Phil ZOOP at March 21, 2008 2:03 AM


It's not "the island" that keeps them from killing themselves, but "the timeline" ... although this is an important clue.

The producers/writers said they would not invoke the "paradox" issue of time travel, and the only "recognized" scientific theory that supports this is the Novikov Principle ... that you can go back in time, and not alter the "end result," as long as there is some sort of "course corection" along the way to ensure you end up in the same place, if things go a bit askew.

That's why Charlie had to die (and so on). This implies that not only Michael (as we saw today) but Jack (from the before) are "supposed" to stay alive ... at least until something happens where they need to be involved.

I find the Jack correlation more interesting, since pretty much everyone expects Michael to get offed soon ... what is it that Jack "needs" to do, before the timeline will even "let" him die?

#40. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 2:06 AM


Did anyone notice that when the announcer mentioned the O6 they actually flashed on 7 characters... starting with Locke?

I watched it a few times and I couldn't see why they had flashed Locke's face other than because he is part of the 6.

I don't buy the logic that Aaron wasn't considered part of the O6 because he was not yet born. The press would not make that distinction. So, the only way I can justify the 7 faces flashed is that Aaron is not known to the general public and therefore not technically part of the O6.

I'm probably way off with this idea.. but could somebody please re-watch the preview for next week and tell my why Locke was shown?...

#41. Posted by: Sharebear at March 21, 2008 2:11 AM


Damn, rob, next thing ya know, they'll have colored folk on the show too!

Oh wait, what the hell is goin' on here!

And before ya strike back, purely hetero here, okay?

I know, I know, not very silly, but DH had to be put in its place ... under the rock her crawled out from under (and no, "her" was not a mistake).

#42. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 2:19 AM

Long time reader, first time poster. Mac, love the site and the recaps. Look forward to these just as much as the show! Now, I have never read my theory that I will outline here.. that tonight's show seems to back up, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been posted. So if this is old news, just say "old news" and be done with it. But everyone I have talked to, had never thought about this all before.. Here is goes.

The island is full of immortal pirates. I know it sounds crazy, but just follow it. Way back when, the pirate ship sailed to the island and for whatever reason got stuck there at the Black Rock, where the ship still sits, all nice and full of dynamite. The pirates on this ship soon learned an amazing lesson: while on the island, they were essentially immortal. They could be killed if someone else killed them, but they couldn't die of natural causes. And so they chronicled this amazing find in their ships log, that at some point in time was taken off the island and lost in Madagascar.

From there, the ships log found its way to someone in the Hanso family, who read it and discovered there was an amazing island out there that allowed its inhabitants to live forever. They decided this island must be explored and studied so they began the Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative to study it. Using the companies wealth and the ships logs, they found the island and set up camp, built hatches and funky bank tube sending machine thingies and worked to study the island.

The problem was those dang natives... the island's original inhabitants who constantly battled them for control. Who were these original inhabitants? The pirates from the ship that originally landed there.. still living on the island all this time since they cannot die and wanting to protect their special island from these crazy hippies.

So that's where little boy Ben comes in.. he gets frustrated with how the Dharma folks are running things and his Father's care less attitude, and after seeing a vision of his mother, runs into the jungle to find her. Instead, he finds Richard Halpert.. Eye liner guy. And why in the world does he wear eye liner? BECAUSE HE'S A BLOODY PIRATE! They do that you know.. And why is it that Halpert looks the same when Ben is a kid as he does now? Because he doesn't age. He's immortal while living on the island and hasn't died all these years. Ben decides to join with the natives, eventually gasses the Dharma folks and the original island natives (the black rock pirates) are once again in control. That is until that Plane crash lands onto the island.

This whole "the island causes people to live forever, unless killed by another" seemed to be confirmed tonight when Mr. Friendly told Michael that he couldn't kill himself. In the alley, Michael asked Mr. Friendly to do it, and he wouldn't.. of course, because then he WOULD have died and Mr. Friedly didn't want that to happen. But earlier in the Episode, Michael did say he was on the ship to die, making me believe that he knows that they only way he can go is to tick someone off enough to kill him.

Back to the history lesson.. Eventually Hanso, for whatever reason, looses the ship logs and they end up being Auctioned off, only to be purchased by Whidmore. Whidmore reads the logs and the stories of the undead pirates and realizes this could be an amazing find and puts all his resources into finding this island. Heck, he even organizes a "race around the world" to get all the more sailers in the ocean who could happen to stumble upon it, as his daughters ex boyfriend happened to.

There are lots of other dots that this all connects with.. except for one big mystery that seems to be one everyones mind... The "others" that Ben has joined obviously know about the fact that the island keeps you alive. So why then does ben get a tumor? That is unheard of. So what.. does the island want Ben gone for mismanaging things?

Bottom line.. this isn't about a bunch of scientists on an island. This is show is essentially Pirates of the Carribbean... a bunch of undead Pirates protecting their treasure. So my question.. How many of the Others are original pirates... Was Mr. Friedly one? Seeing his knack for debauchery as seen tonight.. maybe he was one...

#43. Posted by: Steve at March 21, 2008 2:45 AM


Something I haven't seen mentioned we know it is not Walt banging on the pipes so who or what is it? Seems like they made the banging too noticable for it to be nothing.

Was it just me, or did anyone else expect the note in the bomb to say "BOOM" like in the old Roadrunner cartoons?

Can't agree that Aaron is one of the 6, but I don't necessarily think Locke is either. Terry O'Quinn is one of the most recognizable faces on the show and I've noticed that they tend to show him in a lot of promos to grab the viewer's attention

#44. Posted by: surefoot at March 21, 2008 3:04 AM


>Turns out, the bomb is a dud/test/message from Ben (it's a high-tech version of a Looney Tunes gun, complete with a snarky "Not Yet" paper message).

First thought. "Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!" MTM

Second thought: What'cha wanna bet, though, that that bomb can still blow up whenever Benjamion Linus wants it to?


What is it with the other LIST obsession?


Ur, ah, who shoots skeet with automatic weapons?



>we see a brief freighter scene where Naomi argues with Frank about who will be the first to fly to the island (Naomi wins and she soon crashes in "Catch-22").

Admittedly we never get a sweeping look at the rear of the freighter, but try as I might, I could never see but one helo on the boat. Was the "crash" a fake?

@1 shikotee (honorary Meg this week):

>Nice to see Libby, but sadly no new info on her :(

If nothing else this episode goes to show that, on "Lost", death is no impediment to steady work for an actor.


@4 Clementine:

Nice work on the timeline. Just doesn't seem enough time was available, does it?


@5. JT:

>Wow, did Alex ever grow up during the last couple episodes!

Definitely hott.


@7 DocH

>Bet the target practice on the boat had the same shooters that dropped Danielle and Karl.

Kinda hard to silence automatic weapons though. And what's with Danielle - hiding on the side of the tree the shots are coming FROM, and running in that direction. (Instread of crawling off though the abundant long grass all around?)


@9 Clementine:

>Were the empty graves supposedly in Thailand or Taiwan?

I heard Thailand. But who would confuse Thai (or Taiwanese) bodies with mostly-anglo passengers.


@12 ealgumby:

>Damn ... I feel really stupid ... is there some joke about 1988 that I'm missing? It's driving me crazy!

I think the only joke is the apparent maliability of time in the "Lost" universe.


#13 Silhouette:

>When Tom said the island won't let you die until you've finished your business...

That's at least the third reference to someone having 'business' or 'work' to attend to.

Taller ghost Walt to Locke in the pit.

'Christian Shepard' to Vincent (about Jack) in the last mobisode.

Now 'possibly Tom' to Michael in New York.


@27 Alaïs_Longthought:

>(& mac, my nomination for best line of this review is "serving discreet [sorry, I just had to fix the spelling] islanders and New York governors since 1977").

Maybe mac meant 'islanders that come in quantifiable units'.


@37 Rob:

>So with the information that the island wouldn't let Michael kill himself does this mean that when Jack tried to kill himself by jumping off the bridge in his future flash, the island causes the accident that prevents him?

Exactly what I was wondering. And maybe Jack's anguish is because he can't kill himself.

>I also thought it was interesting how Ben said he doesn't kill innocent people and then we see him send Rosseau and Karl off to their deaths.

But then Ben didn't kill them, did he?


@mac I found #41 pretty offensive and wouldn't mind at all if you deleted it.


#45. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 21, 2008 3:23 AM

The Island's influence on Michael's real-world actions, the ghost of Libby (and that of Charlie earlier in S4), Tom's mysterious off-Island appearance, all remind me of one of my early theories about Lost: that the Island, either by accident or design, occupies a region of space with stronger laws of information (c.f. Bertrand Russell's Philosophy of Logical Atomism).

To this end, I'm reposting something I submitted to this blog on November 7th, 2006, as part of the Lost Experience discussion. I'm now seeing it's real world influences as further indications of a 'magnet' for people linked to the

***Posted November 7th 2006***

In his book Schild's Ladder, Greg Egan describes a group of scientists (far in the future), who accidentally create a 'vacuum' in space, the physical rules of which are stronger than those of a normal vacuum. In essence they created a new set of physical laws in this region. In the novel the region (because of the stronger rules) expands, threatening to engulf the universe.

My theory is that the Lost Island is located in a region where certain laws of nature are different from those in the real world, and the the Island Rules are stronger.

Let me use an analogy. Imagine a large container of water with some sort of turbulance generator moving the water round randomly. Now, imagine that there are many black specks floating around in the water - most of them black pepper say, and a small amount of iron filings. All the black specks move about pretty randomly.

Now, imagine that you suspend in the water a powerful magnet. This attracts the iron filings. Importantly, if you zoom in on a small enough group of pepper and filings, the motion will still look random, even though an overview will show the non-randomness of the iron filings' movements.

Bringing this back to the Island, I see the water as the world, the magnet as the Island, and the pepper and filing as people. But what, then, is the equivalent of the magnetic effect?

Who is drawn to the Island? It seems to be either people who already have some connection to it - because of someone they know (e.g. Desmond and Penny Widmore, Eko and his brother); because of something they've encountered (e.g. Hurley and the numbers); because of something they can do (e.g. Jack and Ben's tumor) - or else people who are apparently unconnected.

I believe that the Island has a force of attraction based on information. A similar force seems to exist in the real world, but on a very weak scale - we call it society. I think that on the Island this force is exponentially strengthened, to the point where everyday happenings on the Island would seem like conspiracy in the real world.
And, because of the strength of these rules, I think they can act on the outside world, drawing linked people and things to the Island. An important point is to note that on a small scale, for example in one person's life, the effects of the Island could be discounted as chance. It is only when a plane full of such people crashes that the chance of chance becomes unreasonably small.

Wouldn't such a force appeal to people trying to alter the fundamental factors in human society? Would we live in the same way if a natural law connected ALL the dots for us?

Who knows?

#46. Posted by: Danny at March 21, 2008 3:48 AM

Is Ben really Alex's father? I thought it odd that Rousseaou would not have told her by now. We definitely need a Rousseaou FB or at least another Ben 1.

I wonder if that was Mr. Hawkins that sold Michael the gun that didn't fire? He sure seemed peculiar.

I am not sure that the Temple is even a real location. It doesn't sound like Ben is saying "the Temple", merely "temple". It might be a term they use for hiding, maybe underground or in the hills. Do we know for sure how many islands there are?

#47. Posted by: lost4ever at March 21, 2008 3:54 AM

What did we learn this episode? Basically that Michael’s off-island time did little to erase his status as the most self-deprecatingly woebegone, unattractively self-servingly self-centered, character for which it’s difficult to garner sympathy. Ho hum.

All together a most frustrating episode.

Most ironic bit of dialog: Miles postulating that Ben seems to always get what he wants since a week ago he was incarcerated by Locke and now he’s living large in the compound. Considering that a week ago Miles had a grenade in his mouth and today he’s having some face time in the Bennsylvania condo as well, I’d say Miles gets what he wants too. Projection much Miles?

We met Ghost-Libby this week, but we also have Mr. Friendly, aka Tom. Now, is he Ghost-Tom (complete with a phantasmagorical lover?) or is he Real-Tom, island-hopping (and possibly time-shifting?) before Sawyer elevates him to true Ghost-status? If Ben can use his magic box to conjure up Locke’s kidney-stealing daddy on the island, why can’t he send Ghost-Libby and Ghost-Tom to NYC to torment, coerce, and/or guilt Mikey into signing on as his “Man on the Boat?” Which begs the question, could Ben be behind Hurley’s Ghost-Charlie apparitions too? And how sadistic is Ben to give Michael a “get off the island free card” only to drag him back a month later?

Speaking of Michael, instead of pinning a suicide note to his shirt, he ought to have “Kick Me” tattooed to his forehead. Really now, how easy is it to mess with Michael’s mind? Everyone’s been doing it since season one (including Vincent) . . . allowing him to perfect that wide-eyed, dead-pan, Gilligan-esque, put-upon “What did I do to deserve THIS sh*t?” woe-is-me look (which incidentally goes quite well with a drawn out WAAAAAAAALT moan). Is the man capable of any other facial expression at all?

And, why has Sawyer been relegated to the role of best-supporting-scruffy-cast-member-with-an-occasional-line-of-sarcastic-dialog? If anyone should be able to play the warring factions (boat people, Ben-followers, Locke v Doc allies) against the middle (and each other) for personal gain and success it should be our favorite long con master. Is it me, or are the writers getting lazy? There’s a perfect opportunity to weave a tangled web of intrigue between Sayid and Desmond on the freighter, Faraday, Miles and Charlotte off the freighter, the castaways hoping to be rescued in Doc’s camp, the renegade island ex-pat wannabes in Locke’s camp, and Ben and his Temple followers whatever they might be up to. And using Sawyer as spider and chief web weaver between all these players not only makes PEFECT dramatic sense, but it would give our favorite bad boy some valuable plot time. It’s mighty painful to see him languishing in storyline hell this season. “Nobody puts Sawyer-baby in a corner!”

Finally, for all you “wow, when did Alex get so hot?” fans out there, I just couldn’t get past how much Alex and Karl looked like siblings during this episode. Freaky.

#48. Posted by: desertrat at March 21, 2008 6:04 AM

"Rest in Peace, Crazy Danielle Rousseau. You spoke French and stole babies and blew crap up with the best of them..."

Mac, I'm a Funeral Director, and I think you would make one hell of an obituary writer...

More later. My head hurts...again.

#49. Posted by: Three Men and a Baby... (I counted Hugo twice) at March 21, 2008 7:10 AM

Two observations -
One, I believe that Ben's professed inability to kill the innocent was truthful, and will greatly factor into his actions - both past and present. But that also opens the proverbial can of worms. For starters. it lacks a clear definition of who is "innocent" - does it include only murderers? liars? people on Jacobs List? Secondly, isn't engineering the circumstances of another's death akin to murder? I'm thinking Goodwin here.. Or (point one) does his adultery revoke his innocent status?

The other interesting thing Ben said was about the temple - "It's not for them"
I first thought it was some sort of supernatural or Island or even Alien type thing - but then I remembered that several of the kidnapped Lostaways were also trekking to the temple.. So is "it's not for them" a reference to the fact that the 815ers in the room at the time were not on Jacobs list?

I also got a chill when Ben said to Alex "They know who I am" and when he looked her in the eye and told her that the freighter people were in fact MORE dangerous than him.

#50. Posted by: vacc at March 21, 2008 7:32 AM

@24 - tiny...I thought the same thing about Sayid. I am a bit perplexed as to why Sayid kicked it in to overdrive to reveal Michael's true identity to the captain. First, Sayid strikes me as a more calculating person who would give a lot of thought to a plan such as this. It didn't seem to me that he did so here. What is the benefit (at this moment) to reveal KJ as MD? and 2. I figured that Sayid would be able to use Michael's story to his advantage at some point in the future, not right away. It just seemed out of character (pun intended) for Sayid to act so rashly here....

@25 - becre8ve - Do you mean
"mostly dead" as in The Princess Bride? Maybe if Rousseau believes in "twue wove" she can just eat a giant chocolate covered magic pill and spring back to life :)

@ 35 - drivera - I thought about Michael in the coffin too. If the island won't let him die because he has more work to do, perhaps by the time we see Jack's f-forward, Michael's work is done and therefore he would be able to die. Since Jack *might* be in the same predicament, his attending the wake might reveal to him that his day will come at some point too. The NY to LA connection from the obituary Jack was carrying seems to fit with Micheal's story as revealed last night too...

@39 - philzoop - I was thinking about FHG last night too and reminiscing about how he first appeared on the show and how he is now such a major player (I hope Micheal Emmerson at least gets nominated for an emmy this year...he is AMAZING). Then it dawned on me that there is truth to at least one thing that Ben has said in the past...There was lots of speculation at the end of S2 as to whether or not Ben's compass directions to Michael (bearing of 325) were a hoax or would really get him home...seems like they did indeed work. Wouldn't that mean that the rest of the survivors, or anyone else who wanted to leave - ie Juliet - could just follow the same directions? They have at least two boats to do so now, right?

I am also perplexed by the PT (possible Tom) sighting a la NY. I don't think he is a ghost or vision though. I do think he is real and quite possibly like Rabbit 15...could a ghost rent a penthouse suite at the Hotel Earl? That ghost would have to fool a number of people to do so just to lure Michael up there.

As for the timeline of Michael's FIB (flash-in-between), I think it's important to note that there were Christmas decorations a plenty in this episode (in the background of the Michael's mother's house), providing a clue as to what time of year it is at least. It doesn't necessarily have to be Christmas Eve or Day to have decorations up, right? But, how does this play into the timeline??? Would it be appropriate 12-15 days after Michael's departure from the island to have these decorations up? Can anyone clear this up for me? One of the most confusing things to me about this show is the timeline...

Why would Widmore not want the world to find the island? I think those documents and pictures Tom showed Michael were fake. Ben seems like the only one with the "no one can find this island" agenda. It makes more sense that Michael would have to kill the freighter's crew so that the island remained undetected for Ben, not for Widmore.

One last thing I am perplexed by is why people like #21 have to spew their stupidity into this blog. I am with Cecil Rose on this one...

#51. Posted by: Vikki at March 21, 2008 7:44 AM

Most boring episode this season. I dozed off.

#52. Posted by: Ross at March 21, 2008 7:54 AM

If the timeline suggested here is right, then is 2 weeks enough time to get rescued, sail back to the US,Screw things up with your kid, decide to kill yourself, and sail back to the island in the mid pacific?

How does the little webisode of (I assumed) Walt in a locked room and Ben and Juliette looking at the dead birds he was conjuring to smash him out fit in? Was that BEFORE Ben let him and his dad off the island?

And how come they get to leave? Ben doesn't let anywon leave. Is it because Ben wanted to put him on the ship?

I don't like watching this show week to week, or maybe it's because there are too many stories now. I want to know what's going on on the beach, where are the scientists? where is Jack and Kate? Is all,this going on in the space of a day or so? I wnat to put the next CD in and see what happens.

#53. Posted by: Berkyo at March 21, 2008 7:55 AM

Oh, I fogot. I really liked Rosseau's character and want to find out why she never said Ben's not the father. IS Ben the father? Why does he keep saying that??????

Did everyone here recognize Libby? Or ar you assuming it is her? I did not think it looked like her buit who else could it be?

#54. Posted by: Berkyo at March 21, 2008 7:59 AM

Hey Mac - Great recap to a great ep.

I loved finding out what happened to Michael and Walt after they escaped the island. At least we know that Ben's coordinates allowed them to leave the island and arrive back to the "real" world in the present. According to Michael's mom they arrived back in NY 2 months after their flight disappeared and she can't even call them by their real names.

I felt bad for Michael, the poor schlub was only trying to compensate or being an absentee father who lost his parental rights - and every decision he's made since getting Walt back has been disastrous. Poor guy - your right - he get's the tortured soul of the year award.

I think crazy Danielle is alive - the producers have hinted that at some point late in season 5 or early in season 6 we would see her flashback. . . let's just hope they weren't pulling our puds.

See you on April 28th . . . don't know if I can wait that long ;-(

#55. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at March 21, 2008 8:24 AM

I think this episode explains how or why Sayid was later recruited to work for Ben, same tactics.

Sayid is responsible for blewing Michael's cover, therefore responsible for the freighter making its way into the island, starting the war, etc and leaving all (except 6) survivors stranded there.

Later on, Ben capitalizes on Sayid's guilt and gets him to work for him ... or as he put it: "for his friends".

#56. Posted by: phg at March 21, 2008 8:30 AM

Nice write-up Mac.

I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say that we really appreciate what you do. And how quickly you do it. Kudos.

That said, I'd really like to think the only reason they brought Michael back was to get Walt back into the storyline. Bug-eyed Michael reminds me of Ben's second cousin on his mother's side, but without the acting chops.

And as for Tom, guess Kate really isn't your type. Who's to say that all that hyperbole about Widmore doing this and Widmore doing that isn't just a bunch of hooey, and that Ben didn't create all that paperwork.'s just a bunch of documents that a 16 year old high school student could make in Print Shop class...

And was it just me, or when Karl held up his water bottle with the leaks, did anyone else think of Steve Martin in The Jerk, "Somebody's shooting these cans!"

#57. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 8:42 AM

I cannot believe after 16+ years surviving on the island, that Danielle would not have been smarter than that when people were shooting at her. Did she get stupid after she found her daughter?

I agree that Ben sent them to an ambush, and I think that Alex even guessed, why else would she think that she would be safe by telling the shooters she was Ben's daughter? If it were the freighters shooting, they would either kill her anyway or take her hostage.

Didn't care for the whole Michael story. Thought it was boring. I did think the captain already knew about Michael. Maybe he works for Ben, too. That would explain why he wouldn't care that Regina jumped off the ship.

Can't wait to see how many posts we hit this week!

#58. Posted by: LostMamacita at March 21, 2008 8:46 AM

@Clementine 33 - Thanks for the translation of Michael's watch.

Thanks for pointing out the bomb/dud/Looney Tunes connection. Nothing makes me happier than a cartoon reference.

@Cecil Rose 45
First thought. "Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!"

Maybe Acme is a subsidiary of Dharma Industries

"Sayid...hauls Michael into Capt. Gault's quarters and spills the beans."
Too funny. Lima beans live on!

While we're on the subject of food:

Choco hats, get yer choco hats here. I have to eat one now. JoePike, can I buy your unused one off of you?

@Kathy, Clementine, Shikotee and anyone else for the Shining references last week: Well done! I take off my choco hat to you (if I had one, that is).

#59. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 21, 2008 8:55 AM

And now I believe we have to be 99.7% sure that Turnip-head and the rest of the O6 are as confirmed as we can ever expect them to get.


#60. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 8:58 AM

Whew, what an episode! First of all, thanks Mac for another great review!

1. First of all, killing off someone (or even two people) in the last 30 seconds of the show does not make a good cliffhanger. In the last mid-season hiatus, they ended with Jack screaming at Kate and James to run for their lives. Now THAT is a cliffhanger. Not random character deaths.

2. The idea that Tom was gay never really crossed my mind... although I probably should've guessed it earlier, with his "You're not my type" comment to Kate way back when. Anyway, why am I talking about a useless fact like this when the episode was mostly about...

3. MICHAEL! Grrrrr... I don't like him. I really don't. When he was standing on the sidewalk staring up at his CGI son in the window, I half expected him to scream, "WAAAAALLLT!" again. And the fact that the island wouldn't let him do away with himself was kind of strange, but cool.

4. It was nice to see Libby again, it really was. Whether she really was a shrink or not, she was a likeable character and she and Hurley were sooo cute together. I wanted to see Ana, though. She was a cooler character, despite the fact that she only had two facial expressions (scowling and not scowling).

5. That bomb with the 'NOT YET' thing was like something from Saturday morning cartoons. It was weird. I found it interesting that Michael really would've blown up everyone on the ship, though. Just like when Jack tried to shoot Locke but the gun wasn't loaded.

6. Another random thing... after the group meeting with Team John, I don't recall who Miles was talking to out there in the dark, but someone said something and Miles started laughing. It was the very first time we ever saw him smile, and it didn't even look like him. It was scary.

7. When Karl died, I refrained from going, "YES!" I never liked him. He always had a dorky haircut and never seemed to have much sense. But then, when Rousseau got shot, it was sort of depressing. I mean, we knew her from the beginning of Season One. I never expected her to die. I thought she could take care of herself. I guess she's no match for Ben's evil gunmen.

That's it for now. Ciao!

#61. Posted by: Kate at March 21, 2008 9:13 AM

I have to admit I went to this site before going through my email at work this morning!

So Ben doesn't kill innocent people, so he wouldn't have killed Annie in the purge, what about the other kids in the classroom? Did he send Alex, Rousseau and Karl out there? I guess he doesn't consider them innocent.

I thought for SURE smokey was coming to Alex at the end. The bushes moved exactly the same as before when he appeared and the high panoramic camera angle was EXACTLY the same.

Ben told Alex the "bad people" would use her as a pawn, so she is playing into that plan to save herself.

Tom is very Ben like off the island, and I don't like him like that. I miss Mr. Friendly who couldn't stand the sight of blood.

Jack is in the same state of mind in his FF that Michael was after getting beack to the real world. I agree Michael is in the coffin (too many references to NY to not be important) under an assumed name (mom couldn't call him by his real name) Jack realizes Michael's work is done and Jack won't be free until he gets his work done.

This blog is going to have an "incident" over the next month there will be so many posts!

#62. Posted by: Rudy at March 21, 2008 9:20 AM

Two things:

GRAAA, mac!

Alex is a hottie, hottie hot-hot mchotterson who is also HOT.

And we now return to our regularly scheduled blog comments discussion...

#63. Posted by: Dan at March 21, 2008 9:31 AM

Best Line of the Review ...

'Rest in Peace, Crazy Danielle Rousseau. You spoke French and stole babies and blew crap up with the best of them.'
I chuckled soda through my nose right at the spoke French and stole babies ...

GRAA, Mac. don't know if I'll miss Lost or this more for the next month.'

#64. Posted by: trexl at March 21, 2008 9:32 AM

Ben was watching Karl and Alex being affectionate. Affection => sex => pregnancy => dead Alex. He sent them into an ambush with the Others, and removed two threats at once. No boyfriend, no mother, who does Alex have left besides the Others and her "not as dangerous as the Freighters" Dad.

Having said that, I hope that Rousseau is not dead. I want her to hop up on one leg and yell, "It's only a flesh wound! I've had worse!"

And if I've learned anything from this show, I'm probably totally off course. I'm looking forward to everyone's analysis to get through the next few weeks - and yes, I will be watching the enhanced episodes in between.

P.S. Did anyone else have a hard time choosing between Michael's suicide attempts and the last two minutes of the Duke/Belmont game? I had two tv's running in the same room. Sad but true.

#65. Posted by: jaybee at March 21, 2008 9:32 AM

One thing that has been bothering me since last night's ep, how did Michael get to New York in that tiny boat? Was he picked up somewhere?

#66. Posted by: ChristinaLVT at March 21, 2008 9:39 AM

I missed when the "enhanced" episode is planned, can someone let me know. Will we get and enhanced episode of last week at some point?

#67. Posted by: Rudy at March 21, 2008 9:40 AM

Mac... you had me HOWLING this morning...."get jiggy with Arturo, an escort from the Others After Dark agency ("serving discreet islanders and New York governors since 1977")" just the best line!!!

#68. Posted by: toni at March 21, 2008 9:43 AM

I expected the note pinned to Michael's shirt to read, "Please look after this bear. Thank you."

Re: Ben on killing innocents: Where are all the Tailies who were kidnapped? Are they all still alive, or were they killed? What about Ethan trying to kill Jack & Charlie? That was under Ben's orders. Ordering a murder is the same as committing one. Ben's eyes are turning brown, as usual, and I can't believe some of you are falling for it.

#69. Posted by: hurling at March 21, 2008 9:53 AM

Don't usually post, but I cannot believe Sayid acted so quickly in outing Michael to the boat captain. Could this be a reason why Sayid would later work for Ben? Sayid's actions=Dead Losties=Sayid working for Ben because of regret/repentance?

#70. Posted by: Michelle at March 21, 2008 10:05 AM

@ Alaïs_Longthought (#27)

who's to say that the 'rescue party' wasn't part of ben's group? that's why no one knew where he came from......if they had been watching michael all this time, i can't believe that MOST of his interactions have been ben related....

#71. Posted by: toni at March 21, 2008 10:12 AM

Good episode, felt a little rushed to me, but they packed a lot of stuff in there. For what its worth, and to toot my own horn, I had the first half hour pegged from the get go, from Michael's FB and not being able to die, to Tom being gay. I rule. Second half hour... not so much... was thrown off by the Alex/Rousseau/Karl thing. And yes, Alex was hot.

After reading the comments:

@#22, Becre8ve-- The Temple might still be some kind of ruins, and not necesarily a 1981-technology Dharma station. Or Dharma could have built up around some ruins. Maybe Dharma worshipped the ruin-makers, and built their most valuable installation around the ancients' holiest site?? I cant wait to see what the Temple actually is...

@43 -- The Black Rock IS the ship that crashed, not where it crashed. Interesting theory though.

@45 Cecil Rose -- Good point about the bomb, and Ben still potentially being able to blow it up. He seemed surprised/pleased that Michael actually hit "execute." Surprised in a good way...?

@61 Kate -- Interesting point about Jack trying to kill Locke. Now, it seems the plot is thicker than just being out of bullets. Clearly, the island doesnt seem willing to let Locke die.... yet.

@ Mac -- I agree, I also half-expected the Captain to turn around and say "I know" after Sayid the Pimp spilled the beans on Michael/Kevin. The Captain is interesting, he seems to know a fair amount about the island and what it does to people. His whole tantrum about people not leaving the freighter was kinda cool...

So who really crashed the plane?? Ben has all the "evidence" that points to Widmore, but didnt Capt. Gault imply that it was Ben who crashed it? So who's teling the truth??

And I agree, Rousseau aint dead. Just like Naomi aint dead. And Christian Sheppard. And Charlie. Libby too. And Elvis...

That's what I got.


#72. Posted by: chopkins at March 21, 2008 10:16 AM

@45/Cecil Rose "Admittedly we never get a sweeping look at the rear of the freighter, but try as I might, I could never see but one helo on the boat. Was the "crash" a fake?"

If I remember correctly, when Naomi arrived at the island, we heard the helicopter, saw a light, and heard a splash. But we never actually saw a helicopter go into the water.(?)

Is it possible that Lapidus piloted Naomi's helo and returned safely? he certainly demonstrated his skills with the second island approach. Maybe the splash was cargo being jettisoned just as they did with the second island trip when things got tough.

I will have to go back and watch Naomi's arrival again - more closely this time. I just find it interesting that Naomi referred to a pilot that was never found. The freighter is pretty small for two aircraft.

Then again, maybe none of it matters to the story anyway.

#73. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 10:17 AM

Nice Work mac. Enjoy the hiatus.

I guess we all now know why Tom calls himself Mr. Friendly (or maybe just Arturo is privy to that information?).

Biggest question: who is the diabolical mastermind - Ben or Chuck Widmore? Both? Does anyone think it is clear as to which person planted the 815 wreckage?

I am anxious to read everyone's thoughts and am anxious to re-watch the episode to ferret out the fine details. @elgumby - I immediately thought of you when they showed the stereo in the funky green Impala. 2005 model? Did he get back to NYC and immediately call the local shop to pimp his ride?

#74. Posted by: Thundarr The Barbarian at March 21, 2008 10:19 AM

good morning to all,

i thought this episode was really good and answered questions. my three cents:

*ben's claim that he doesnt kill innocent people. i beg to differ but clearly ben believes he is justified even though he may not be directly involved in the killing other people do for him or for the island. there is nothing good about this man, nothing! i personally dont see him as "the" good guy or "a" good guy, i'm sorry i just dont. he is pure evil. cold, calculating and genius evil, the devil himself better watch out for benjamin linus. :) ultimately the the survivors will have to choose sides and it will be a matter of the lesser of two evils.

* i think ben has more than one man on the boat and yes i did expect the captain to say he knew about michael.

*speaking of michael, aka kevin, i really dont see him being capable of compiling an entire list of info and intel of everyone thats on the freighter. he doesnt come off as the "lets have a drink and get to know each other" type. or maybe its just me.

* post #56@phg, i think you may be on to something regarding sayid and why he ended up working for ben. we'll see what happens. :)

just my three cents. gotta go do some work.

peace & love to all!

#75. Posted by: tiffani at March 21, 2008 10:20 AM

Sorry - wanated to agree with all who observed that Alex is certainly hot, particularly in last night's episode. Perhaps a little young for this 33.2 year old though... ;)

#76. Posted by: Thundarr The Barabrian at March 21, 2008 10:21 AM

@ Vikki/51

ha, ha, ha... princess bride reference! classic!

#77. Posted by: toni at March 21, 2008 10:25 AM


Hey, I like your name:
"chop" - short, to the point, with a nice sound to it (kinda a serious, martial artie sound) - and then, right when you think its done - kinda like a two-for, you throw in "kins." "Kins" is a fun sound.

Serious + fun = Chop kins

:^0 "Chop" :^)

:^) "kins" :^0

:^0 "Chopkins" :^0

Just an observation...

#78. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 10:30 AM

Hey mac, just a question here.

When you delete a post - like a double post or a #41-ish above, is it possible to leave the post and simply replace the text with something like, "This bugger's been sacked" or something? That way it won't mess up the number references further down stream.

Just a thought...

Love the blog

#79. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 10:36 AM

Just to clarify -- the 1988 thing was an off-hand reference that nothing to do with anything (unless the backstory actually occurred in 1988 ... in which case I totally knew it!)

And thanks for the discreet vs. discrete catch!

#80. Posted by: mac at March 21, 2008 10:37 AM

If the captain knew Michael was the "mole" (more on that below) wouldn't he suspect him of being the one to sabotage the engines? When he was beating those people up, he said they needed to "fix the entry" so that must broken along with the boat not having any engines.

Did anyone else have a brief flash of the word "The Mole" right before the show would come on after commercials (ABC feed in Northern VA here). It looked like a TV show called The Mole and it was a commercial that is snuck in there. Anyone in my area have DVR?

#81. Posted by: Rudy at March 21, 2008 10:40 AM

@ bcre8ve: Yeah, that's possible. I was in a rush this morning so I opted to kill the whole comment, but in the future I can delete the message and add a snarky editor's note (because you know how much I love the snark!)

#82. Posted by: ma at March 21, 2008 10:40 AM

@78 becre8ve...


pork chopkins
karate chopkins
judo chop! kins

#83. Posted by: chopkins at March 21, 2008 10:42 AM

Live large in a pricey penthouse and get jiggy with Arturo, an escort from the Others After Dark agency ("serving discreet islanders and New York governors since 1977").


Mac, u are a dude!!!!!!!!

#84. Posted by: Angela UK at March 21, 2008 10:42 AM

@82. Posted by: ma

Mac, is that you, or does your Mom help out?

#85. Posted by: JT at March 21, 2008 10:47 AM

@48/desertrat "Is it me, or are the writers getting lazy?"

I don't know, what does your yard look like? Personally I fall in with the "you're not lazy" crowd.

As far as the writers go... I think that we are getting the other side of the "Lost is too slow and doesn't answer enough questions" complaints from the previous three seasons.

Since the network agreed to ending the show and the writers know they have 48 epis in which to wrap it all up, the pace has quickened. The writer's strike certainly won't help in the next 5 epis.

I, for one miss the character development and slower pace but do enjoy getting some answers. I want to know the answer to all of Lost's mysteries and I want to know now. I think that once I know and go back to re-watch the DVDs, I will be sorry that there weren't more "filler" epis where we would have gotten to know more about the island, Dharma and the characters both old and new.

#86. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 10:49 AM

82/ma "because you know how much I love the snark!"

And since you don't live in the water, can I assume you are a Land Snark? [:^)

#87. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 10:54 AM

Land snark, Candygram, Mongo merely pawn in game of about steam of consciousness...

#88. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 10:58 AM

Um...I meant "stream", not steam.

#89. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 10:59 AM

About Michaels’ suicide crash, in his leprechaun green Impala...

Was not an Impala, or even a Chevy. For what it's worth, a Chrysler product.

#90. Posted by: JT at March 21, 2008 11:03 AM

I'm such a moon.

#91. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Does anyone think it's weird that Michael, when he met Naomi in Fiji, asked her if her accent was from Manchester? I don't think he's ever been to England, so how would he be able to decipher her accent so easily? As we all know, little things like this always mean something on the show.

#92. Posted by: ChristinaLVT at March 21, 2008 11:09 AM

Ok, this is a total shot in the dark, but what with all the "He did it" "No, HE did it" finger-pointing between Benry and Widmore, it occurred to me that perhaps a third party may have been involved in the Oceanic plane plant. Who else on this show has those kinds of resources, and furthermore has been referenced (indirectly) the last two episodes in a row? Mr. Paik, Sun's dad.

Probably *completely* wrong, but I figured I'd throw it out there just in case!

#93. Posted by: marissa at March 21, 2008 11:09 AM

Four thoughts:
Sayid. The idea of our beloved assassin being a whistleblower/tattletale (dragging Michael by the arm to the principal’s office) didn’t sit well with me. I agree that the writers needed to set the stage for Sayid to work for Ben. First Ben loses his MOTB, then there will be an invasion that Ben cannot prevent, then some 815’ers will die at the hands of the boaties and Sayid will have an ‘oh no’ moment (realizing the boaties really are bad a** meanies), much worse than Ben. His regret and guilt will make him an easy recruiting target for Ben. ‘You want to help your friends don’t you?’

Ambush of Danielle, Alex and Karl. I agree the temple group, not the boaties, fired the shots. Hiding in the foliage and shooting with silencers is not the style of the machinegun toting boat boys. But Ben setting up the ambush makes me want to take back my statement that the boaties are worse than Ben. Bad is bad. Danielle was an interesting character - I will miss her. She survived all those years alone by living in fear. She got careless about her own safety once she connected with her daughter and started thinking about Alex’ safety.

Small window version of tall ghost Walt. Why is Walt not known as one of the six? This was probably the purpose of Michael’s wimpy back-story (he stupidly, stupidly, stupidly told Walt about the killings) and Granny’s narration as to why Walt won’t talk about what happened. How else to explain why the kid will not tell anyone on the outside about his island misadventure. Not sure what incentive is keeping Granny quiet though.

Michael’s demise? The captain hates traitors so we expect him to off Michael. Will the island mojo only prevent a suicide or will it also prevent a homicide? Either way, maybe the mojo only works away from the island. If the island protected Tom while he was away, it didn’t save him from Sawyer’s bullet. But then again, maybe the captain is the real MOTB and Michael was just Ben's back up plan. Makes my head hurt.

That’s all for this morning.

#94. Posted by: leegull at March 21, 2008 11:10 AM

83/chopkins "Thanks?"

It was meant sincerely - I really do like it. Like so many monikers here, it caught my attention. I just decided to say something about it.

@35/drivera & 51/Vikki "I thought about Michael in the coffin too"

***** SPOILER? *****
The article that (Wolfman) Jack cut out before his high dive attempt was thwarted seemed (according to HD pics) to say that the coffin dweller had apparently committed suicide.

-- The note reads: --

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 a.m. in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for the tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Lantham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

-- End Note --

Could it be that Michael/Kevin/John/Lantham Johnson/Dawson finally fulfils his island mission and is allowed to find his "peace?"

***** END SPOILER *****

#95. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 11:12 AM

Great review as always 03-20

did anybody notice the 03-20-1980 date
on Jin's headstone. Well Last nights episode aired 03-20

#96. Posted by: Paul at March 21, 2008 11:12 AM

@92 & 93--

Interesting points!

92- I too sensed some kind of connection btwn Michael.Naomi. Does Michael get it on with hot badass?? Man I hope so. If one guy in this world needs to get some, its him.

93- VERY interesting thought. I bet Paik is closely tied to the Hanso's... and not just bcs theyre both asian.

#97. Posted by: chopkins at March 21, 2008 11:14 AM

When Micheal went up to his mother's house, I was hoping it was going to be the lady that Mal had whispered/swindled. [:^(

#98. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 11:22 AM

Here, all along we thought Spitzer was Client #9. Turns out it was Tom.

#99. Posted by: Lost is Found at March 21, 2008 11:22 AM

Dear Ben: That whole fake bomb business was hare-brained.

Dear Michael: "Sorry" doesn't put lima beans on the table.

Dear Island: Please let Michael kill himself. We don't like him, we really don't.

Dear Michael Dawson: You are up a creek.

Dear Michael on the Freighter: "I'm here to die." Do you hear our cheers. They are rising, rising...

@Rudy 81 – Yeah, I think those were sneaky ads for the Mole series.

#100. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 21, 2008 11:25 AM

BTW - Who was keeping track of how many times the Losties bumped uglies?

Be sure to put Tom/Zeke/Mr. Friendly down for (at least) one.

Wonder if Arturo was related to Paolo?

And what are the chances of the old dude next to Michael in the hospital having anything to do with anything?

#101. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 11:30 AM

I haven't read the blog yet, so sorry if these points have been addressed, but had to get my ideas in before the bad headaches start:

I believe that Ben's REAL contact on the boat is Capt. Gault - not Michael. Michael is only a pawn (for killing/blowing up the ship). The captain was not surprised at the revelation that Michael was a spy. And the captain, I believe, ordered Lapidis and the other guy to take the chopper to the island (on Ben;s orders) to retrieve Alex.

Ben directed Danielle, Alex, and karl to travel by a certain route - and that route was known by the captain because he and Ben had planned it all ahead of time. It wasn't Lapidis who shot Karl/Danielle, it was the other guy.

I haven't figured out yet what happens to Alex or her yet-to-be-dead mother (no, Daniell is not dead - yet).

Which brings to mind another question: Were Karl and Danielle shot with a gun/silencer or arrows? Several other blogs state that they were shot with arrows, but I didn't see any arrows.

Do the Michael in Manhattan/Indian Ocean tidal wave coincide enough to allow the for the 324 bodies to have been freshly planted victims of the tidal wave?

Anyone else?

#102. Posted by: Len at March 21, 2008 11:38 AM

I knew tom was gay in season 2 first episode when tom told kate to change clothes infront of him. when she said she didnt want to change infront of him he said "dont worry kate your not my type"

#103. Posted by: Lock is an idiot at March 21, 2008 11:38 AM

There have been rumors that actual writers associated to the show read this blog. And why not, it's quality and interesting every week, thanks to Mac's efforts.

So, to those writers then: don't kill Rousseau!! What are you thinking! She has been 16 years now on this island, and then get's sniped out? So pointless, other than to stage the scene with Alex. Let the Island Mojo(tm) rescue her!


As for the episode itself... longest. flashback. ever. Still, there were some interesting points, which I won't reiterate, since I see most of them already above me. I do think they are reading here though, why else the specific "Wallllllllt!!!" in the clips establishing Micheal?

I think they are saying "Hi" to us, in a way that still fits the show without any problems. How cool is that, if so?

#104. Posted by: The Duf at March 21, 2008 11:51 AM

Guys, come on, let's pick up the pace or we'll never get to 1,000 comments!

Honestly, it's Friday and I don't feel like working... even if it is deadline day. Entertain me!!

Oh, and @ becre8ve, #98 -- glad you like the name. And I thought for a brief sec that Gramma Walt WAS Miles' ghost-whispering "client." In hindsight I dont thin kit was. But Would that make sense, timeline-wise? And does that mean Walt killed himself in there and was selling smack to get over Michael's treachery? Anyone? Bueller???


#105. Posted by: chopkins at March 21, 2008 11:52 AM

@59: thanks for noticing the "Shining" reference; it's nice to be noticed, even if I don't have a cute moniker like "chopkins" or a slightly naughty one like "Jenny Talia".

@81: I noticed "The Mole" flashes as well; I think the flashes were put there by the "Lost" writers. I am pretty sure "The Mole" is a now-defunct CBS series.

@ 65: I love the "Spamalot"/Monty Python reference! (It's only a flesh wound!) I've had the song "I am not yet dead" playing through my mind most of the morning as I read the posts that hope Rousseau is not really dead--yet. I think she's all the way dead. Naomi, however, I'm not sure about.

I would say that I think Sayid definitely has something up his sleeve, except he's wearing a tank top.

Lastly, I agree that the writers have missed a prime opportunity to have Sawyer spinning a web. He was a great con man, and now he's been relegated to the occasional smartaleck comment and/or eye roll. GIVE SAWYER SOMETHING TO DO!

Guess I'll spend my Friday mornings re-reading all the Lost blogs in sequence. Or maybe I should actually put in some time working.

#106. Posted by: kathy at March 21, 2008 12:04 PM

GRAA Mac, loved the "Michael is stunned to see the man who kidnapped Walt standing in front of him ... in New York City ... wearing a stylish overcoat and sporting a fresh splash of Grecian." quote, though I do believe it was more Brillcream than Grecian (he still had all the grey...)

A few first thoughts:

@4 Clementine: I don't see aproblem with the time line, sure it's quick, but it gives Michael a couple of weeks to get back to NY, get depressed, try to off himself, get better and then meet Tom. I meen everything he did was for his son and now he doesn't want to be with him, seems reasonable that he'd crash and burn pretty quick As for Tom, he only needs to be off the island a few days for his "intervention" with Michael and some good times with Arturo.

@43 Steve: Really like the pirate aspect as per linking it to Tom, his behaviour sure is "piratesque" off-island (indulging in the better things life has to offer...)

@the car: I think it was a 76-77ish Dodge Aspen with vinyle top.

All in all great epi, alot of info and alot of questions (as usual). I noticed that of late the writers are giving us alot of good/bad references. What I mean is they're giving us info that could lead either way:

-Ben or Widmore staged the trench 815
-Ben good or bad (and they keep hammering this one)
-Were Rousseau and Karl not innocent if Ben had them offed (oh yeah Ben planned or forsaw this in the same way he did Goodwin)

-I know this is a little out there, but part of me believes Rousseau is actually Ben's Annie from the good old Dharma days. I"ve been wondering this for a while and since she never confronted Ben when he's said to Alex "your my daughter" with a "no she's not or something like that", it seems to confirm Ben's the dad.

Knowing this, who would Ben be with under the sheets: Annie. Maybe they had some fun off-island but she gave birth on island and had some "side-effects" for some reason and just lost it and headed for the hills.

Finally, is it just me or did the word "lost" come up a gazillion times in this epi.

That's all for now, be back soon.

#107. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 21, 2008 12:08 PM


Michael's car is a 1976 Plymouth Volare. See the pics at But the radio is very modern; that's the clue that made me realize this was a post-island scene and not a FB to when he was a starving artist ... because earlier in that scene, when he started crossing the street, I expected him to get run over. Again. Well, for the first time, but from a new camera angle.

#108. Posted by: Drew at March 21, 2008 12:16 PM

Mac, thanks again for a killer review. You hit all the major points, with wit and style as usual. Makes my Friday mornings!

"JoePike -- Apparently Aaron is one of the six. Want a cookie?"
"Still mad about the whole Aaron thing. I have a feeling JoePike is going to rub it in my face."

Yes please, choco-chip of course.
Don't worry ILBLxoxo, I won't rub it in your face. There was always a 50/50 chance...but vindication does feel pretty good!

"@JoePike: Boy, you are one lucky son-of-a-gun! You came this close to eating Claire's wig...Now I'm going to have to find someone else to eat Claire's wig. Who wants to make a bet that Rousseau is not really dead?"
→ Clementine

I glad I won't have to eat Claire's wig...but I'll gladly try it on anytime! (No, my nickname is not Arturo...)
I'm with ya though- I don't think Crazy Dannie is dead. She's been on the island so long she'll have super healing powers. Plus it's such a waste...we were supposed to see major backstory for her. I guess it's still possible we will somehow. So no bets this time for me!

"Choco hats, get yer choco hats here. I have to eat one now. JoePike, can I buy your unused one off of you?"
→ Scooby-Dude

Dude, they're all yours. A little melted, but still yummy. I'll trade you them for some Scooby-snacks.

Glad they finally cleared up the mystery of whether Ben or Widmore planted the fake Oceanic 815. (Um, yes, read that with mega-sarcasm...)

#109. Posted by: JoePike at March 21, 2008 12:23 PM

I'm having trouble coming up with things to discuss after this episode. I liked it overall, but nothing seems to be peaking my interest. So here's the only thing that I could think of that is a theory of mine after last night's episode:

Any chance that Libby = Annie?

Couple examples:
-Ben finds out that someone on the mainland has won the lottery by using 'the numbers'. Sends Libby to mental institution to keep tabs on Hurley to make sure he doesn't figure out the actual relevance of said numbers.

-Ben finds out Michael accidentally kills her and comes up with massive scheme...allowing Michael to get off the island thinking everything is ok....lures him back due to guilt....allows him to rescue the Oceanic 6 for redemption...yada, yada, yada Michael ends up in a pine box...end game, Ben gets his revenge.

-Hurley falls in love with Ben takes a 'liking' to the Blimp Pimp with a Limp...and makes him the point man regarding keeping the secret when Oceanic 6 get off the island. Doesn't it seem that Hurley is leading the off island activities?

Cool! Or not.......

#110. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 21, 2008 12:43 PM

Ben, Alex, Crazy Danielle, etc. all know that Ben isn't really her father. They all know that Alex is his ADOPTED/STOLEN daughter. The fact that Dannie didn't call him on it again this time when he referred to himself as Alex's father was because it just wasn't necessary. He's been know as her father her whole life...of course he would still refer to himself as 'your father'.

And adopted or not, Ben still loves her as his own (having raised her from infancy), so she could definitely be used as a pawn to get to Ben...and he knows it.

I thought the camera lingered a bit too long on Alex's belly when they were doting over (one of the 6!) they wanted to show that it was a bit rounder than normal! So could she be preggers? Maybe. And I think Ben is worried about it. She also had her hand above her belly right before she turned toward Ben like pregnant women often do. Am I crazy?

#111. Posted by: JoePike at March 21, 2008 12:44 PM

→ 33. Clementine: Korean inscription:

Thanks, Clementine. Someone please jog my memory—I thought Michael gave the watch back to Jin after their fight? Did that not happen, or did Jin give the watch to Michael at some point?

→ 35. drivera: Michael in the coffin:

Agreed. Initially I thought for sure that the scenes of Michael driving his Cadillac (I'm almost positive I saw the Cadillac script on the car, near one of the rear seat windows) were a FF leading to Jack's FF.

→ 43. Steve: Re immortal pirates & 46. Danny: Island rule:

Wow. Interesting ideas there!

→ 48. desertrat: Alex's & Karl's similarities:

I always thought that Karl looked like Bobby Brady.

→ 51. Vikki: Timeline & Christmas decorations:

These days it seems like Christmas decorations go up during the Thanksgiving holiday, so it's entirely possible that it's early December & Michael's seeing Santas everywhere. Random thought: Couldn't you just see Tom in a Santa suit?

→ 56. phg: & 70. Michelle: Re Sayid's guilt & how Ben blackmails him:


→ 69. hurling: Note on Michael's shirt & Ben's claim of not killing innocent people:

LOL on the Paddington bear reference! And yes, Ben's about as pure as New York City snow three days after it falls. I'm not a psychologist, but isn't one of the marks of a socio-/psychopath the ability to divorce oneself from a sense of responsibility for one's actions? He may not have done actual killings himself, but his hands are just as bloody as Lady MacBeth's.

→ 80. mac: Discreet vs. discrete:

No problem. Kronan the Grammarian is always ready to help! But I loved Cecil Rose's (#45) interpretation that islands come in quantifiable units. ; )

→ 88, 89, & 91. Randy: St(r)eam of consciousness & moon:

Steam of consciousness is what happens when one's stream of consciousness hits the boiling point due to the heat generated by thinking about LOST & comments here, thus leading to blogal warming.

I was reminded of a character (Tom Cullen) from Stephen King's The Stand, who says "M-o-o-n spells ______ (fill in the blank)" for everything.

→ 92. ChristinaLVT: Naomi's Mancunian accent:

I thought Michael recognized it because of spending time w/Charlie, another Mancunian.

Finally, re the island "letting" people die & "healing" people: Sure sounds like the Others, at least, regard the island as a sentient being. Is Smokey a manifestation of the island's "consciousness"?

#112. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 21, 2008 12:47 PM

110/Posted by: Red...Neck...Man "Libby = Annie"

Cool. If we're going down that path, how 'bout Penny = Annie?

a) Penny & Juliet look remarkably similar

b) What better reason for Widmore to hate Ben?

#113. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 12:50 PM

My random thoughts and q's.

Loved Miles' line about Ben eating pound cake.

After Sayid outed Micahel,I thought it would have been cool if the Captain had said: "Uh, we kinda like knew that forever ago."

Sayid definitely has a plan. He's former RG, after all.

Is there a Bloomingdale's on the Island? Alex's makeup was just waaaay too perfect.

Biggest mystery yet: how did Michael and Walt get to NY?

Michael doesn't have such a distinct NY accent that Naomi would recognize it. And why would he recognize her Manchester accent?

Oh,no. They killed Rousseau. Those bastards! (She needs some serious botox, BTW.)

How long does it take to find a pressure valve in the supply room? Long enough for Michael to tell his whole story to Sayid and Des, I guess.

Why is the water running in Micahel's apt? Was Widmore lurking?

ANTP? Did Baby Walt look like a Simpson relative in the photo?

What was the DD on the wall below the TV in Michael's apt?

I totally wished Michael would die. Instead he ends up being a crash test dummy.

Can anyone here explain Michael's vital signs in the hospital? Or decipher his passport?

I was so hoping that Michael would be looking for a panda in the pawn shop.

Any significance to the game show on the TV? Perhaps to establish a time line?

Ha! I was drinking champagne when Michael hit Tom with a champagne bottle.

Miles knew that Kevin Johnson was not Michael's real name. Maybe it's because it was Michael's house where he did his ghost-busting.

I, too, thought the NOT YET note should have read: BOOM! (Or Bong!)

And I'm in agreement that there is still nothing definitive about who the Six are (JoePike...don't eat your hat yet).

-43 Steve. So you're suggesting they are zombies??? Hmmmm.

#114. Posted by: lovelost at March 21, 2008 12:55 PM

The Oceanic Six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron or Walt????

#115. Posted by: grapekat at March 21, 2008 12:57 PM

Hey.... Aren't their 8 episodes left? We've seen 8.... 16 total? I'm confused....

#116. Posted by: lost-in-minnesota at March 21, 2008 12:57 PM

@ bcre8ve: And if we go down that road....then how 'bout:

Walt's grandma = Rose

a) both women who think Michael is a tool

b) what the hell am I doing?

#117. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 21, 2008 12:57 PM

I still haven't read the other posts yet... so bear with me.

I think the MAJOR theme here is "you can't change the future -- the universe has a way of course correcting itself"

This is shown in "The Constant" as well as this episode "Meet Kevin Johnson". I have a feeling we'll see a lot more of it as well.

So the fact that Charles Widmore supposedly dug up 324 dead bodies from graves doesn't necessarily mean that they were "fresh". Considering the way they looked under water, it would only seem that they should have been "fresh".

Maybe the others got orders from Ben to kill Rosseau and Karl so Ben can keep Alex all to himself. Rosseau came in the way, Karl came in the way, and as we know from past episodes and situations, Ben can get quite possessive.

BUT apparently he doesn't kill innocent people. So you never know.

So looks like we got a confirmation on the six from the preview to next week--
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. Sun
6. Aaron (unfortunately)

All Ben needed was their names. After he acquired their names, he could obviously eaisly do a background check somehow.

He is one very resourceful man.

Once again, "Mr. Friendly throws like a girl"... He had to be gay. (That statement may have been a little sexist -- if anyone is offended, notice I meant it as a joke).

Maybe Mr. Paik had a tracking device on Jin's watch. But that hasn't really been suspected by anything.

So LOST has three VERY POWERFUL men:
1. Benjamin Linus
2. Charles Widmore
3. Mr. Paik

Ben knows everyone.

Mr. Widmore apparently knows Ben, and obviously he knows Desmond.

Mr. Paik at this point only knows Sun and Jin... I think.

Ben oddly had A LOT of pictures of Alex hung up in his house. I guess any Dad would though...

It's weird how Locke lives there now.

Now I shall read.


@ Clementine - 4
Great points!

@ Silhouette - 13
Good point! That would explain why Jack never died... But he tried.

@ DocH - 19
NICE! So that means JoePike HAS NOT won yet!!

@ tiny - 24
That's not true. He forgave Ana-Lucia. She apologized because she made a mistake. He understood. He said that she was just trying to "defend her people"... therefore, the others really killed her. He also pointed out that he would have done the same thing in that situation. It was "her duty".

AND he also killed Libby. Sayid has a right to be mad about that.

ALSO -- Sayid's not the kind of person that would be happy when someone dies. Even if he doesn't like them. Either way, they are his people, and Michael betrayed all of them.

@ ealgumby - 32
I KNOW THAT ONE!!! One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest!

We read that in the beginning of the year. Great book. -- and movie.

@ Phil ZOOP - 39
If you are a girl, YOU CAN'T LOVE BEN. HE IS MINE.

You can't even spell his fake last name. It's GALE... fool.

@ Steve - 43
Love it. However, my only thing is that the Black Rock crashed on the island wayyy after the Hanso Foundation (16 year ago); and the Black Rock was the name of the ship, not the name of the location.

Guess it could be something like it though.

ALSO -- Some Mistakes:
Richard's last name is Alpert. (Not Halpert).

It's Widmore, not Whidmore.

You were about to be the first noob to get on my list... but you ruined it for yourself.

You did it Steve, no one asked you to.

(I've always liked Scott better).

@ JoePike
I've officially decided that Aaron is STILL NOT one of the six. =]

@ lost4ever - 47
Ben is NOT Alex's biological father... He just raised her.

@ Dan - 63
THAT would be a statutory observation.


@ Ma - 82
MA MA!!!!

I'll finish reading later.

(And half megs)

#118. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 21, 2008 1:01 PM

re: game show on TV -

The answer to the question was Kurt Vonnegut...who just so happens to be the author of 'Slaughterhouse Five'.

*******Inside Information*******
The next question, which was sent to the cutting room floor, was: Who is the only blogger to have won an official award, allowing him to forever post last? Answer: THAT'S RIGHT!!!! MEEEEEEEE!! RNM!!!!

#119. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 21, 2008 1:02 PM

Wow! I typed up a long response this morning, but when I posted it - gone into never, never land.

Here's some short comments...until later:

1. Aaron is one of the six. The whole theory about how he was in the womb so wasn't really a passager is a bit to controversial. Back to the whole Roe vs. Wade thing there, and I don't think it's going there!

2. I didn't recognize Libby in the hospital scene, but I have to admit that I thought that was a major FB, to before the crash, at first. I didn't realize that it was post crash, until Mr. Friendly came into it (or maybe the Walt scene occured first, don't remember, but it was confusing)

3. Why the whold Friendly is gay thing? Gotta admit though, the writers do have a great sense of humor.

4. The "not yet" line was familiar - remember Miles said that when asked if they were going to kill the losties.

5. MIF and scarf....and panda (couldn't resist)

6. I'm going to get behind already; that's what happens when I get a day off!

#120. Posted by: meg at March 21, 2008 1:02 PM

#111 - JoePike:
Yes!! I thought the exact same thing when Alex was about to leave the room, she had her hand over her belly. I think she's pregnant.

#121. Posted by: ChristinaLVT at March 21, 2008 1:08 PM

@JoePike 111 – Alex pregnant? Totally agree, that's how I interpreted her comment to Karl: "I promise not to tell if you won't." Not only her touching her belly but, as many of you have pointed out, they clearly showed her to be more of a woman this episode than they had before.

Who's in the Coffin and what that could mean?

The fact that Michael has been off the island before and is not one of the six (and thus is not notorious) and is neither friend nor family to Jack is evidence pointing to it being Michael in the casket and nobody else showing up. Jack would be upset because Michael is one of the few options he has for returning to the island. Watch for Jack to hook up with Widmore in a future future flash to get back to the island and have a final showdown with Locke (Man of Faith).

#122. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 21, 2008 1:08 PM

I'm not sure if anybody has brought this up yet (I didn't notice it), but doesn't it seem like the people on the freighter, if they were really employed by Charles Widmore, would know who all of the people on flight 815 were? Miles clearly knew about kate, and I'm sure that Charles Widmore would have the capacity to know who all the people were including pictures . Many of them would have even been shown on the news. So, then, wouldn't they have known that Michael was on that flight? Surely somebody would have recognized him.

So, in response to those who said the captain did not look surprised about Michael, I would have to agree and assume that they knew who he was all along.

Just a thought!

#123. Posted by: Baxter at March 21, 2008 1:21 PM

Small threat but one that might pan out- there's something up between Claire and Miles. In this episode- there was a quick shot of a furtive glance to him when Locke brought him in. Two weeks ago- she confronted Locke about him. Not sure where it would be going- but am pretty sure there's something there.

#124. Posted by: Doctor Ron at March 21, 2008 1:22 PM

Not sure why there's confusion about Sayid's reaction to Michael. Michael did KILL Libby and Anna Lucia, after all. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been all "hey, how ya doin' buddy? Long time, no see" either.

And I think it's safe to say, Ben isn't all sweet and innocent like some believe. What's this? He doesn't kill innocent people??? Uh, didn't he wipe out DHARMA?

Speaking of DHARMA, will they ever come back into the picture? We know they're still around (i.e. the supply drop).

#125. Posted by: RAW at March 21, 2008 1:27 PM

In suport of my Rousseau = Annie theory. Wasn't it Annie's doll that was used as bait to catch Ben in Rousseau's net...

#126. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 21, 2008 1:37 PM

@118 Ilovexx

It's Rousseau's research vessel that would of ended up on the island 16 years ago (if this ever happened according to my Rousseau = Annie theory) and not the Black Rock

@111 JoePike

I don't buy it that if the guy that stole my baby would still be calling her "his" daughter, I would just accept the fact because she considers him as much. Anyhow, if she not hiding this she's hiding something else...she definitley knows (or knew) more than she is letting on....

#127. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 21, 2008 1:48 PM

JoePike -- You can't get your chocolate chip cookie YET.

Once again... You WILL eat you hat.

At least either way you'll get chocolate =]

#128. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 21, 2008 1:49 PM

leegull @ 94 - Either way, maybe the mojo only works away from the island. If the island protected Tom while he was away, it didn’t save him from Sawyer’s bullet.

I'm a little unclear on the timeline but if I have it right Tom was shot after the NY trip. If that is the case then perhaps his "work" was done (getting Michael on to the boat)so he could die.

Do we know for sure that Sayid is really ratting Michael/Kevin out? The way he shushed Kevin before they entered the captain's quarters seemed almost conspirical. This could tie into Ben's desire to get the "innocent" people off the freighter before blowing it up. I think it may be a setup.

It's going to be a looooooooong month until the next episode!

#129. Posted by: surefoot at March 21, 2008 1:50 PM

i think we need a couple of charles widmore flashbacks to get closer to solving this big mystery.
-how he came to be such a powerful & wealthy man?
-how he found out about the island and it being "special"?
-why does he so badly want ben dead?
-his plans for the island. not what ben thinks he is going to do but in his own words what is he going to do.

maybe widmore, ben & mr paik were buddies at one time and something happened that turned them into cut-throat adversaries?? ....hmmmmmmm.

i too think michael/kevin is the man in the coffin. it is possible he will survive the island invasion and the chaos that will come with it and make it back to the states having to assume another alias and eventually commit suicide because walt is unable to forgive him.

just a few thoughts.

peace & love to all

#130. Posted by: tiffani at March 21, 2008 1:50 PM

I was reminded of a character (Tom Cullen) from Stephen King's The Stand, who says "M-o-o-n spells ______ (fill in the blank)" for everything.

You got it. We use that one around the house all the time.

I'm officially jumping on the Alex Is Pregnant bandwagon.

And the CFW Is Not Dead bandwagon.

And the O6 Have Been Revealed bandwagon.

But not so much the REO Speedwagon bandwagon.

#131. Posted by: Randy at March 21, 2008 1:55 PM

For the TIVO/DVR initiated:

Check out the screen capture of the monitor in Michael hospital room. It says "Alarms Off. Admit Patient to Activate All Alarms."

So, given that he has been seriously injured...and that the guy in the next bed looks an awful lot like Alvar Hanso, just where would he be if he hasn't in fact been admitted?

#132. Posted by: SonnyESQ at March 21, 2008 2:11 PM

Long time lurker, first time poster here...:)

* GRAA Mac!

* Not my favorite episode this season, but was glad to filled in about what happened with Michael and Walt. I guess Walt isn't the one banging on those pipes!

* Also, I'm assuming they keep calling Ben Alex's father because he raised her. So, even if he's not her biological father (Rousseau flash-back anyone?), he would still be called her father.

* Sorry if I missed another post about this, but did anyone else catch the Star Wars reference? Right before Karl gets shot with the bullet/arrow he says, "I have a very bad feeling about this." Niiiice.

#133. Posted by: pixie chick at March 21, 2008 2:13 PM

@ 118 ILBXX

I find it odd that Rousseaou would keep leading Alex to believe that He is her father. Unless He is her REAL father. Maybe Ben met Rousseaou, at an off island location, took her out to dinner and a movie, one thing led to another and bam 8 months later, she ends up on the island. She landed on the island conveniently after her second trimester, when problems occur. She says she was an on expedtion. AT 8 months pregnant, i find that hard to beleive. I am sure she will be in a future FB.

#134. Posted by: lost4ever at March 21, 2008 2:19 PM

@RAW - yes -- I thought of the Dharma gasapalooza when Ben was proclaiming his goodness. I also thought of all those Dharma bodies when they showed the fake plane in the trench. I am still thinking that Ben and Co. planted the fake using the Dharma bodies... Maybe Widmore, maybe not - but the way I see it, in the world of Lost, Ben Linus and Charles Widmore are equally well poised to do up a big scam like that to protect the island from prying eyes!

#135. Posted by: bibbadee at March 21, 2008 2:29 PM

The Hotel Earle was prominent in the Coen Brothers' 1991 film "Barton Fink."

I don't recall if it featured any escort services, however.

#136. Posted by: lovelost at March 21, 2008 2:29 PM

Steam of consciousness happens when one's stream of consciousness hits the boiling point due to the heat generated by thinking about LOST & comments here, thus leading to blogal warming.
→ 112. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought

"Blogal warming". Good one. Alais gets my nomination for the Pun of the Day award.

#137. Posted by: lovelost at March 21, 2008 2:39 PM

@132. I think he was still in the ER in which case he would not have been admitted yet. And it is going to be mighty hard to admit him if he won't give his name! Which brings up an interesting point. If he had to pawn the watch to get money to buy a gun how did he pay to get out of the hospital? They don't as a rule just give a bill to be paid later to a John Doe. No name = no HMO. Did he give the name he has been living under (remember he is not yet Kevin Johnson) Did he skip out on the bill?

The theory that it is Michael under an assumed name in the coffin is becoming more compelling. The fact that he has travelled back and forth twice would give Jack hope that he can find the island again. Maybe he contacted Jack after the 6 returned and Jack had been working on him to go back again. Michael chose death over another return.

#138. Posted by: surefoot at March 21, 2008 2:52 PM

Why did Danielle look skeptical about the Temple and have to keep checking the map if she's lived there for 20+ years? Why doesn't she know the way?

I thought Ben sounded surprised that Michael actually manned up and pushed the button. As in 'You ACTUALLY pushed the button?'.

I think Miles was guessing that 'Kevin Johnson' was a fake name because a tramp steamer with lots of mercenary Americans and English is probably not where people are aiming to be in life. He expects that everyone is giving a fake name.

#139. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 21, 2008 2:53 PM

I'm still making my way thru the posts (I'm up to 51) so, sorry if this has already been mentioned. Some people are getting all hung up on WHEN Tom visited Michael & how much time had passed since Michael left the island. Was I the only one who noticed Tom's nose bleed? He traveled forward/back form the island to NYC to confront Michael in the alley. When he did it (in island time) is not a factor.

#140. Posted by: cookie at March 21, 2008 2:54 PM

@#140 cookie-
Tom's nose was bleeding because he and Michael were fighting (hit him with broken bottle, etc.).

#141. Posted by: RAW at March 21, 2008 3:01 PM

@Rudy, Kathy
ABC has decided to bring back The Mole reality series, according to tvseriesfinale*com, if that's a legit site. I had to look.

@Baxter 123
I'm with ya on this. Widmore stages the wreckage of Oceanic 815, news is all over the world, he has a manifest of all the passengers and yet Michael/Kevin can just mosey onto the freighter and nobody recognizes him? That's fishy.

It's also fishy that the pilot Frank Lapidus is on the freighter. If Widmore knows that Frank knows the wreckage is a fake, why let him on the freighter instead of just killing him?

I miss Hotter Ghost Libby.

#142. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 21, 2008 3:01 PM

132. Posted by: SonnyESQ at March 21, 2008 2:11 PM - I think he is still in the ER, the reading would indicate that he should be admitted for longer term observation. In a nutshell (cue the Austin Powers reference) his heart rate indicates that he is in distress.

I'm starting to buy into the Michael in the coffin idea. We don't know what name he is living under in his FF but we do now know that it is not Kevin Johnson. If Jack finds out that he got back to NY and then went back to the island he would be the best hope of getting back.

Just a thought from last week...when Hurley asks Sun if anyone else is coming and then says "good"...could it be that he is working on getting her to go back to the island and doesn't want anyone trying to talk her out of it???

#143. Posted by: surefoot at March 21, 2008 3:03 PM

→ 137. lovelost: Blogal warming:

Thanks, lovelost, but I can't take credit for that coining. It's from bcre8ve's post from Ji Yeon (#735; I went back & looked).

→ 139. PiecesofArzt: Danielle not knowing about the Temple:

Perhaps the Temple is located in the area of the island she refused to go into (reference from S1)?

→ 142. Scooby-Dude: Frank on the freighter feeling fishy:

I had wondered about that. Maybe rather than simply killing him, Widmore decided that Frank could potentially be useful (his piloting skills) & that putting him on the freighter would be a way to keep tabs on him & control him. (Now that Frank's on the freighter, there's no way he can be calling anyone & telling them that the wreckage is fake.)

#144. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 21, 2008 3:16 PM

Never posted before, though been reading this blog since the 2nd season -- just had to give a few comments now... :-)

THAT would be a statutory observation.

→ 118. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 21, 2008 1:01 PM
Be it as it may on the show, but Tania Raymonde is almost 20 now -- and she is H-O-T! Anywhoo, the "legal age" in my country is 16 so even Alex'd be free game :-)

I find it odd that Rousseaou would keep leading Alex to believe that He is her father.
→ 134. Posted by: lost4ever at March 21, 2008 2:19 PM
I think they all know Ben's not her real father but since he raised her and therefore in fact has been her father for 16 years I think there's nothing odd there. Why would it be so hard to believe this?

Michael/Kevin can just mosey onto the freighter and nobody recognizes him? That's fishy.
→ 142. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 21, 2008 3:01 PM
I doubt all the 324 passengers' pictures were published, and even if they were that "random" people would actually care that much to go through them all and really remember any of their faces...

#145. Posted by: crewd at March 21, 2008 3:23 PM

@144/Alaïs_Longthought "Perhaps the Temple is located in the area of the island she refused to go into?

Temple = Island's Area 51 (or 42, or 16, or...)

#146. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 21, 2008 3:28 PM

The story line contradictions are getting unmanageable.

1. Why in this episode did the 815 found news report state that there was no chance of recovery of bodies or the black box when previously, it was stated that the black box had been found, retrieved and in possession of Widmore? Was this snippet just an attempt to reverse the writing course because it was noted that if you did not want anyone to find the island or Flight 815, the last thing one would do is create a fake 815 crash site, way off course, with remains that can be exhumed by deep sea ROVs, and investigations by the FAA, Boeing and insurance companies involved in 324 wrongful death suits which would have confirmed it as a fake and easily traced back to the person who created it.

2. The calendar time is getting muddy and implausible. Michael leaves the island on a small boat Day 67 apparently toward Fiji, the closest port. The freighter takes at least 4 days to arrive at the off-shore spot when Naomi arrives on the island on Day 86 (Michael opens box 2 days into voyage; 2 days + to gather intel for Ben). It puts the freighter leaving around Day 80-82. Now Tom is off-island between Days 74-80. Since Tom calls Michael on a cell phone (a local call), infer Michael arrived on Day 80, and freighter left on Day 81-82. Assuming the freighter is faster through open ocean, Michael’s voyage would have lasted at least 8 days (to Day 75). Someone in Fiji would have to give him the new ID and cover story, so I suspect it was Tom, who is Michael’s handler. So Michael returns to NYC around Day 77, drops off Walt at his mother’s, then immediately tries to kill himself in a car wreck. He is hospitalized for only a day(?) before trying to commit suicide (another day) when he meets Tom on Day 79, agrees to help and is in Fiji by Day 80.

3. On the island, Michael was focused on getting off the island with Walt, and having Walt as his son (mutual respect). He felt no remorse; it was the cost of getting a deal with Ben. Somewhere during the voyage, Michael out of character tells Walt that he is a horrible person, killing two people, which would destroy his character and any chance to be a respected father figure to Walt? That does not make any sense.

4. To earlier posts about character deaths: in an early theory on the island’s rule of death. I thought that a character could not commit suicide (a sin) in hell/purgatory. That is why Patchey had so many "lives." Also why Mrs. Kluge pleaded for Patchey to kill her because killing someone else is not suicide. But then again, Ben would have not needed a gas mask in order to kill his father. But taking the death rule off-island is problematic; since Michael attempted to commit suicide (the note), he would have not been released from a hospital --- he would have been involuntarily committed to a psych ward for at least 3 days observation (which destroys any true line #2 above).

5. This episode was recycled. Michael goes to a pawnshop to get a gun, but fate intervenes with Tom telling him about the unchangeability of fate just as Desmond went into a shop, and Mrs. Hawking tells him about the same thing. We have noticed that other characters have cycled into other’s roles like Locke for Ben.

6. Ben’s call to the freighter also makes no sense. How does everyone have the communication/phone number to this secret mission ship? Penny who had the Dharma station phone number, but she claimed to Charlie "what boat?" when she had been calling it over and over again? If the freighter was bad, then Ben would have never called; Michael would have blown up the ship because --- he was suicidal! So if Ben never intended to blow up the ship, so there was no reason for Michael to be on it. (Ben has much more loyal subjects on the island like the commandos on the beach raid.)

7. I think the writers were trying to hint that the man next to Michael in the hospital was Jacob.

#147. Posted by: welh at March 21, 2008 3:43 PM

I totally forgot about the fight. The gin (not Jin) was flowing freely last night! It's just that his nosebleed looked exactly like Des's & Minkowski's.
Ben does't kill innocent people? Tell that to Locke after he'd been shot@point blank range & left to die in the Dharma mass grave. I could be wrong but I don't think Locke had "killed" Naomi yet when Ben tried to kill him b/c he heard Jacob.

#148. Posted by: cookie at March 21, 2008 3:56 PM

@mac or whomever...

Just so you know, I just listened to the podcast, and they said that the title of the next episode of Lost (after the break) is "the Shape of Things to Come".. They didn't say who it centered around or anything, but I figured a little information couldn't hurt...

And if somebody already said this than I apologize...

Keep Swimmin'

#149. Posted by: Fish at March 21, 2008 3:57 PM

@145 crewd
You must have known your own parents your whole life I imagine.

@147 welh
The hospital scene is very interesting. When they first show the patient next to him(pre-Libby) he has tubes in him. And he looks alot like Alvar Hanso. Now in the same scene (post_libby), the patient is clearly wearing an oxygen mask and looks a lot like INMAN.

#150. Posted by: lost4ever at March 21, 2008 4:41 PM

I thought this was a good, not great, but good episode. I have been wondering about what happened to Michael since him and Walt left. If the timelines don’t match up, there is going to be a reason for it. However, I don’t understand what Sayid’s goal is. Anyway, good review Mac. There seem to be more and more people posting for the first time, even if it is to say “meh” to the show.

@ Kate #61 –
Wow, remind me to get a better haircut and keep my mouth shut around you!

@ anyone who doesn’t think Aaron is one of the six-
What will it take? I know Lost has bamboozled us before, but I don’t see Cuse and Lindleoft sitting in big leathery chairs in front of a fire confirming members of the six. I will take this one at face value. Aaron is one of the six!

Namaste and NOIS

#151. Posted by: Not an Other at March 21, 2008 4:43 PM

@112 - Mr./Ms. Longthought...thanks for addressing the decorations/timeline thing. It's true that Christmas advertising starts before Halloween these days...I just figured it had to provide a little info about the timeline...

@147 welh...thanks to you too for addressing the timeline hiccups in your 2nd point...I think you make a good case there too. It's getting really hard to keep track of these things, but you bring some good points to light.

As for the Micheal-in-the-Coffin Bandwagon (I hear they open for REO Speedwagon Bandwagon...) it's important to remember that the funeral director told Jack that no one showed to the funeral...this would make sense if no one knew who Michael/David/John's true identity was and he made virtually no connections to anyone else since arriving back, save for Jack if he somehow found out about Michael's back and forth trips to the island. But the question is, why not have his wake in NY then? The plot thickens!

Namaste, friends!

#152. Posted by: Vikki at March 21, 2008 4:49 PM


@ 67 Rudy ASKED

>I missed when the "enhanced" episode is planned, can someone let me know. Will we get and enhanced episode of last week at some point?

They announced an enhanced episode of the season opener in Lost's regular time slot next week. There are only four Thursdays between now and Apr 24 when the show resumes, so unless they skipped some we may never see and enhanced S-4-7 or for that matter S-4-8.

I just watched the enhanced "The Other Woamn" and the popups there definitely confirmed that it was gas from the Tempest station that Ben used to Purge the Dharma folks. Since he apparently needed to supplemen it with the personal gas-bomb for his dad, apparently the Tempest is not deemed to be able to "kill everyone on the island" without some supplemental help.

The caption also seemed to confirm that Faraday and Lewis's purpose was to disable the threat from the Tempest all along, and not, as some had speculated, that they first went there to gas everybody, then changed the plan when Juliet interrupted them.

So all the talk of "kill everybody on the island" must include some hunting-down by automatic-weapon bearing skeet-shooting mercenaries, I guess.


@69 hurling

>Re: Ben on killing innocents: Where are all the Tailies who were kidnapped? Are they all still alive, or were they killed?

It's only speculationm but all the folks "on the list" seem to have been candidates for conversion to other-dom, a la Cindy and the kids. So I'm guessing they're at the Temple.

>What about Ethan trying to kill Jack & Charlie? That was under Ben's orders. Ordering a murder is the same as committing one. Ben's eyes are turning brown, as usual, and I can't believe some of you are falling for it.

We don't know that Ben ordered it. Ben's scruples seem to be very legalistic.


@92: ChristinaLVT said:

>Does anyone think it's weird that Michael, when he met Naomi in Fiji, asked her if her accent was from Manchester? I don't think he's ever been to England, so how would he be able to decipher her accent so easily? As we all know, little things like this always mean something on the show.

I think it was an indication that he recognized the accent as the same as Charlie's, another Mancusian.


@95 bcre8ve:

>-- The note reads: --

>"The body of John Lantham..."

As far as I know all the sources of the "complete text" of the clip are speculative, not definitive. All that could be seen of the name in the video captures was "J............tham" with the letter before "tham" being maybe "a", maybe "e", maybe "r". Many speculated that the name might be that of the philosopher Jeremy Bentham on that account.

But Michael has been my speculation for the man in the coffin all along.


@101 Randy asked:

>BTW - Who was keeping track of how many times the Losties bumped uglies?

>Be sure to put Tom/Zeke/Mr. Friendly down for (at least) one.

I think it was Mr. Grimm, who we've not heard too much from, of late.


@116 lost-in-minnesota asked:

>Hey.... Aren't their 8 episodes left? We've seen 8.... 16 total? I'm confused....

Yes, there were supposed to be 16 eps this year. The writer's strike interrupted the season with only 8 episodes completed - the 8 we've just seen.

Post-strike, the producers announced that they would be able to complete only 5 more eps in time to be shown this season. Originally they planned to stop after last week's ep, then show six more when that had them finished, beginning with "Meet Kevin Johnson".

The network stepped in and told them to show the eight completed eps, which they did last night, so the 'second season' beginning April 24th will consist of only 5 shows.

The producers have said they will squeeze in the three remaining shows some time over the next two seasons, so that the 48 they had promised for the last three seasons will all be made.


@139 PiecesofArzt

>Why did Danielle look skeptical about the Temple and have to keep checking the map if she's lived there for 20+ years? Why doesn't she know the way?

Danielle told the Losties that she survived so long by avoiding the Others and not invading their territory.


@142 Scooby-Dude wondered:

>It's also fishy that the pilot Frank Lapidus is on the freighter. If Widmore knows that Frank knows the wreckage is a fake, why let him on the freighter instead of just killing him?

It sounded to me like Lapidus claimed that he was the one that convinced Widmore that 815 hadn't really crashed.

Remember his seeing the video of the 'pilot' in his underwater tomb and calling the airline to say 'That wasn't the real guy, I know him and he never took of his wedding ring.'? And Widmore gets wind of it and commissions Lapidus and others to go off on this search for the island.


#153. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 21, 2008 4:50 PM

PS...@150 lost4ever...who is INMAN again? Thanks...

#154. Posted by: Vikki at March 21, 2008 4:51 PM

@152 vikki
INMAN was the guy who rescued Des on the beach and brought him back to the hatch

@147 welh "Michael out of character tells Walt that he is a horrible person"
I actually thought that Michael telling Walt that, was right in line with the type of person he is.

#155. Posted by: lost4ever at March 21, 2008 5:05 PM

→ 152. Vikki: Is it Michael in the coffin? And why in LA?

Count me in on the Michael-in-the-Coffin Bandwagon (I want one of their concert T-shirts!). But I'm not sure that he was a suicide, in spite of what the newspaper obit implied/said. I think there's a distinct possibility that someone offed Michael & made it look like suicide to cover up his/her/their tracks. We've seen the Others, specifically Ethan, use hanging as a method of (unsuccesfully) killing Lostaways. But it could easily be Widmore who ordered the Michael hit as well. After both being on the island, & serving on Widmore's freighter, Michael might have known too much, or been perceived to know too much, to be allowed to live. (BTW, it's Ms. Longthought, but Alaïs is shorter & friendlier. Although I don't mean in the sense that Tom was Mr. Friendly.)

→ 154. Vikki: Who is Inman?

Aka Kelvin. He's the guy who was in the Swan hatch entering the numbers when Desmond wrecked on the island. He also appears in Sayid's flashbacks during Sayid's time in the Republican Guard. Kelvin was last seen lying unconscious & possibly dead on the rocks after a struggle w/Desmond.

#156. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 21, 2008 5:12 PM

@145 crewd
You must have known your own parents your whole life I imagine.
→ 150. Posted by: lost4ever at March 21, 2008 4:41 PM

Yes, but how is that relevant? IIRC Alex knows Ben is not her biological father and therefore Danielle is not _leading_ her to believe anything. As far as Alex is concerned Ben is a father to her. Or am i wrong?


Btw, it was good catch about Alex being pregnant. I completely missed that myself but I did notice the roundness when the camera lingered on Alex's abdominal section for a good while, just didn't think anything of it. As I rewatched the scene now the hand-over-belly thing is kinda suggestive although it still might just be nothing :-)

Anyway, the later "I promise not to tell if you won't" comment in the jungle was a response to Karl's "At least we have something in common" which in turn referred to what Alex said about Ben not wanting her to get hurt (someone commented about this earlier).

Heh, sorry about going a little Memento on that last sentence...

#157. Posted by: crewd at March 21, 2008 5:30 PM

I apologize. I lied about the Black Rock thing. Someone mentioned that it was Rosseau's ship... and that got in my head for some reason so I got all confused and stuff (this was a while ago).

I should have corrected my thought in my mind when I found out it wasn't, but I never replaced that thought for some reason.

I know I'm probably not making any sense. Whatever.


THEREFORE -- The pirates thing is smart. There was something else wrong about it thuogh. I forget now.

I feel really stupid. I usualy have never made a mistake like this on LOST.

@ Vikki - 154
(Adding to lost4ever (155)) Inman also knew Sayid when he was in the Republican Gaurd.

Kelvin Inman: Before Kelvin arrived on the Island he was involved with the U.S. military in the Gulf War. During the war, he was connected with Sam Austen, Kate's stepfather, and manipulated Sayid, forcing him to act as a translator and torture Iraqi prisoners for information (although later Kelvin reveals that he can speak Arabic himself). After the war ended, Inman transferred a handcuffed Sayid to a deserted area and gave him money, including "bus fare" back to Ramadi. Addressing Sayid's disapproval of the torture methods he forced him to use, he tells him in Arabic that it will come in handy in the future before releasing him. Kelvin later told Desmond that he had been a spy for ten years but left because " followed my orders." He then joined the DHARMA Initiative, which presumably brought him to the Island.

Source: Lostpedia

#158. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 21, 2008 5:40 PM

I simply cannot keep all the story details in my head like the rest of you do. And I don't go to other sites for details, either. I need help here.

Does Ben know that Sayid and Des are on the boat? If not, then Ben is assuming that Michael/KJ is free to carry out his orders since no one knows who he is. However, Sayid rats on Michael/KJ, and that certainly must cause a different scenario to take place.

Maybe that’s what Ben meant later, when Sayid is working for him and he says something about Sayid's prior actions and that he needs to work for Ben in order to save his friends. This point is moot, however, if Ben knows that Sayid and Des are there.

I'm so confused today! I have to reply on your collective memories here. And I'm going to feel awfully stupid if I've forgotten something really obvious.

#159. Posted by: lovelost at March 21, 2008 6:00 PM

→ 159. lovelost: Does Ben know Sayid & Des are on the freighter?

I think that depends on 1) whether Michael would report that (i.e., rat out Sayid & Des) to Ben as part of "the list"; & 2) whether Michael has had a chance to radio Ben since Sayid & Des arrived. Didn't he (Michael) wreck the communications room before Sayid & Des showed up anyway? So unless there's another way for Michael to communicate w/Ben, it appears unlikely that Ben knows Sayid & Des are on the freighter.

This assumes, of course, that Michael is Ben's only POTB. If there's a second POTB who has access to another way to communicate w/Ben, then it's very likely that Ben does know Sayid & Des are on the freighter.

#160. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 21, 2008 6:37 PM

@Longthought, lost4ever, and linusxxx...thank you! I had one of those "hey we have to know this guy from somewhere" moments when they flashed to sick-guy-in-the-bed twice last night. I think you might be on to something...thanks for the refresher...

@Longthought....hmmmm, I like your theory there about Michael/Kevin/John not actually being a suicide...that too might reveal why no one showed at the wake...if it even is Michael/Kevin/John in the coffin...and I would try to write your first name instead here, but I don't know how to get that cool double dot thing over the i... :)

#161. Posted by: Vikki at March 21, 2008 6:39 PM

I'm having trouble with the idea of Aaron being off the island in Kate's future flash and being one of the 6. How does a newborn baby survive the loss of his mother for three months on a remote island? Claire would have had to be one of the two survivors that didn't make it according to "the lie", but she would have had to die very shortly before the rescue. Otherwise Aaron would have starved. In Jack's testimony it sounded like there were two survivors that Kate couldn't save. The timeline on this bothers me. Any ideas on how they could account for Aaron's survival?

#162. Posted by: smokygirl at March 21, 2008 6:51 PM

@ Cecil Rose
I believe that the network plans to show 16 episodes next season and that they plan to work in 2 leftovers from this season. And then they plan to add 1 more to make it the 18 - 1 season or in other words the "Patriot Season."

#163. Posted by: lostsox at March 21, 2008 7:06 PM

@162. Posted by: smokygirl

Now that we (sigh) know that Aaron is one of the O6, who knows what kind of tale was put together about his origins. We have no idea if Claire is at all part of the BS story, nor do we know for certain that Kate is claiming that she gave birth to Aaron.

I certainly hope the writers have thought this through thoroughly (that is to say, more than they did Kate's trial).

If Kate is claiming to be the biological mother, would not the authorities conduct a DNA test? She is a fugitive, and has been known to lie (via her various alias'). Depending on the actual date the O6 return, it could be possible.

If she admits Aaron belongs to Claire, how can she avoid Claire's relatives, or Aaron's father from claiming Aaron?

Aaron may have been unwanted prior to 815, but with O6 celebrity status, I would imagine these people would try to cash in.

Perhaps something like this will develop later on, and maybe this will be why Kate will change her stance on not wanting to return to the island?

#164. Posted by: shikotee at March 21, 2008 7:17 PM

“Speaking of DHARMA, will they ever come back into the picture? We know they're still around (i.e. the supply drop).”

Actually, we don’t know that ... as I mentioned in my “Ji Yeon”/749 post:

“As an aside, the Dhamra [sic] cargo drops could've all been launched at the same time in the past (to minimize cost of such an expedition), sending each load in at a slightly different trajectory to have them arrive at regular intervals in the future.”

Not going to repeat all the Kerr metric/wormhole/time-travel physics again now, but if you’re interested you can go back and check that previous post (and several others) where I address how it could work.

“@118 Ilovexx
It's Rousseau's research vessel that would of ended up on the island 16 years ago (if this ever happened according to my Rousseau = Annie theory) and not the Black Rock.”

Thinking about #125 freshly when I read this, something occurred to me ... ILBxx may have inadvertently (as she acknowledged later) made a very good call ...

How do we know the Black Rock has been there for so long? It makes perfect “sense” in terms of the physics that the Black Rock could’ve been deposited on the island (and I mean “on,” as shown in the show, far from the coast) far in the future, given the correct heading upon approach to the island. Some interesting tidbits obtained from Lostpedia about the Black Rock ... left England in 1845 on its final journey ... the journal was lost off Madagascar seven years later ... the ship was lost some time after that(?). Dynamite was invented in 1866 (from wiki, not Lostpedia) ... how did dynamite get on the boat, if during that last fateful voyage? I suggest the ship’s crew may have stumbled upon the island, were able to escape the “storm” surrounding the island, but found themselves still afloat in the future, where wonderful new things like dynamite would’ve been available.

Realizing the island was mystical, they went back a second time, but weren’t so lucky this time ... the ship ended up in the middle of the island, stranding the few survivors (Richard Alpert among them?) there some time shortly before Dharma arrived. They are the “hostiles.”

Not saying the Black Rock was Rousseau’s boat (clearly not), but perhaps her expedition was there to explore it. How long has the Black Rock been on the island? I have no idea, but suggest it could be a much shorter period of time than most have been assuming.

#165. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 7:24 PM

@You All Everybody

I’m recapping the Producers podcast released today, because it answers the Aaron question, and because I was really excited to see them address my monster/apparition theory (posted under “Ji Yeon” #472).

Here’s the link to the actual podcast, if you’d like to listen. It’s about 26 minutes long:


Who are the Oceanic Six?
(Damon and Carlton rambled on and on, not saying the names, making Clementine very angry, urge to kill rising, rising…)
-Producers originally said on a podcast that we would know by Episode 7
-They did not anticipate that people would not know as the result of people assuming the producers are always up to “shenanigans”
-The only secrecy was around the Sun/Jin episode, didn’t want to confirm too soon, before Jin’s death was revealed
-But when you saw Jin was dead, you were supposed to know who the Six were (implying Aaron)
-The ABC teaser at the end of last night’s episode CONFIRMS the Six (Clementine’s urge to kill fading, fading…)

Re Mr Friendly being gay
-Long alluded there is a gay character
-Wanted to give the audience an answer, now you know
-Cool to have M.C. Gainey (Tom) back


Why did “illness” not affect Des when he tried to leave on sailboat?
-The difference is whether you are inside the realm of the island or outside the realm of the island
-Des probably never made it outside the realm in his sailboat
-Similar to a spacecraft entering Earth’s atmosphere, which must have the correct angle not to burn up on entry or to bounce off – on the island, you must have the correct bearing
-Also, Des is susceptible (to the “illness”) due to turning the failsafe key in the Swan and being present for the implosion
-Interesting that the viewer used the term “illness,” as that is similar to the word “sickness”, and where have we heard that before? (Damon hinting)

What happened to Miles with the grenade in his mouth?
-Now that you’ve seen “Meet Kevin Johnson” you know that he’s OK

Regarding the Swan Hatch and the Purple Sky:
-Not going to replay any more details about Swan implosion
-You know what happened to Des
-What happened to Locke and Eko is anyone’s guess
-They suffered temporary side effects
-You definitely have not seen your last Purple Sky
-Yes, electromagnetic events will probably happen periodically
-There will be another electromagnetic event this year

What is the significance of the monster forms?
Word Association between Damon and Carlton:
BEN’S MOTHER EMILY – apparition
BIRD OF HURLEY – no comment
DAVE – figment of imagination /slash/ apparition
YEMI – monster
MIKHAIL’S CAT “NAOMI” – animal (and coincidence)
WALT – “Walt the person is a person, but there are apparitions of Walt that may not be Walt and also monster-related”
BOONE – Monster? (joking) Boone is a person, but in Locke’s dream, he is a dream
JACK – is an apparition, that’s the big twist (joking!!!)
KATE’S HORSE – There is a board in the writer’s room with headshots of all the actors. There is a Deceased and Undead category. There are 3 pictures under the Undead: Christian Shephard, Yemi, and Kate’s Horse

The Name Lapidus
-In the Expose script, there is an actor called Rick Lapidus in the credits
-One of the writer’s loves that name. He wrote the Expose script and pitched “Frank Lapidus” as the name for the chopper pilot

Is Aaron in danger?
-The psychic Richard Malkin tells Claire she must raise the baby herself in Season One
-In Season Two, we see Malkin again when Eko goes to investigate in Australia. Malkin claims to be only a con-man psychic at that time.
-If you believe that Malkin is a true psychic, then the baby is in danger
-If you believe that Malink is a con-man, then the baby is perfectly fine under Kate’s supervision
-JOKING: Aaron is in danger because Kate is a murderer who blows up houses, and she has a bad track record with the men in her life. Damon: “If I were Aaron, I would get out of there as soon as I could walk” Carlton: “Beat feet!”

Why the name Kevin Johnson?
-Not to honor the NBA player
-Joke: if Ben chose a name with a literary allusion, like Darwin or Dickens, Widmore would be suspicious

Charlotte’s profession
-If she’s a cultural anthropologist, why is she excavating (the polar bear) like an archeologist?
-She’s an anthropologist who has always been a “closet” archeologist (she likes to dig things up).
-Emphasizes: She studies *ancient cultures*

Black Rock and Four-Toed Statue
-You will learn more about them, but that’s not to say there will be a flashback

Secret Code Name for Scene in the Season Finale
-Last year it was “Rattlesnake in the mailbox”
-This year it will reveal something surprising, but will not turn the story upside down (like last year)
-And it will be in the finale, but will not be the last scene

(Not Joking! Producers giggle uncontrollably)

#166. Posted by: Clementine at March 21, 2008 8:00 PM

Long time lurker-first time poster:
I think it is obvious that Ben arranged for the killing of Rousseau and Karl...Alex is "his" and we saw him eying Karl touching Alex and then suggesting they trek to the i the only one who thinks this?

#167. Posted by: Christine at March 21, 2008 8:37 PM

For the people who keep asking about Richard Alpert's whereabouts, one must leave the Lost world and re-enter the "Real" world. The actor spent the fall in another TV series, "Cane", on CBS. The Lost writers would have to do without him, except perhaps in small cameos. Any idea if "Cane" survived the first few episodes or the writers' strike? That would give us a hint about whether we'll ever see eyeliner man again.

#168. Posted by: jaybee at March 21, 2008 8:46 PM

@166. Posted by: Clementine

Good recap of the podcast - I listened to it earlier in the day.

Man - I felt kinda annoyed at times by this podcast. I think this really only happened at the end, with the code name giggling. Damn you Michael - has your presence infected me with cynicism?

I also suspect that I was still clinging to hope that Aaron was not an O6 member, so it was disappointing to have confirmation that he in fact is. As mentioned in my previous post, I sure hope they have thought of a clever way to explain him, or there will be many a fan who will cringe!


This chapeau tastes salty and bitter! I totally should have bought a chocolate one!

Great Kudos to monsieur Pike, who was at the table several times with fork and knife in hand....

I'll get you next time Gadget.... Next Time!

#169. Posted by: shikotee at March 21, 2008 8:55 PM


Hmm ... stumbled across this just a while ago (from "Everybody Hates Hurley"/#204):

"STARLA: You're messing with my worldview here, Hugo. You're my rock. I mean if you quit your job the next thing you know bees will stop making honey, and flowers will die, and hell, the whole damn thing will fall apart."

The "donkeys" quit, stop turning the grist wheel (the symbol of the dharma), and the whole damn thing (the world) falls apart ... interesting reference to colony collapse disorder as well.

#170. Posted by: ealgumby at March 21, 2008 9:14 PM

This isn't related to the episode but I've been wondering about the Losties' island and the Other's island. I thought they weren't connected?

But during this season they're assumed to trek across the islands about a day apart and there's a river that signals they're close to the houses.

I'm a bit confused by this since I thought when Ben showed Sawyer their island and 'his' island I assumed they were separate since he told Sawyer the only escape was to swim across; and the boat Kate/Sawyer/etc used to escape on.

#171. Posted by: Silhouette at March 21, 2008 9:57 PM

If Ben had staged the fake plane crash, then he never would have allowed Michael to leave the island since his presence on the "mainland" would jeopardize his ruse.

Assuming Widmore staged the fake crash, I find it very hard to believe that he could ensure that everyone involved in the ruse would keep quiet. Wouldn't one of the people involved with buying/selling the plane, painting the plane, digging up the bodies, placing them in the plane, transporting the plane over the ocean, etc. try and sell their story to the media for big bucks? How could he ensure that the 100's of people required to pull off a ruse of this magnitude would remain quiet? It's just not possible. Heck, it's not like there wasn't a paper trail. Tom held the evidence in his hands.

I love Lost, but as the mythology expands, it becomes far less plausible.

#172. Posted by: emoticon at March 21, 2008 10:23 PM

I need to watch the episode again. I don't remember who said it but they mentioned 321 bodies on the wreck, instead of 324. Where's the other 3?

#173. Posted by: Way_too_Lost at March 21, 2008 10:59 PM

Some thoughts after viewing it a 2nd time...

re: Black Box

When Mike is trying too shoot himself, the 815 news report mentions that it will be impossible to retrieve the body remains due to depth, and "investigators are equally skeptical about the chances of retrieving Oceanic 815's black box..."

Meanwhile, on the freighter, Captain Gault claims to have the black box.

So - was the black box really retrieved from phoney 815, or is this Widmore BS?

What use could it possibly have? That is to say, if Widmore did have it retrieved from Phoney 815, why give it to Gault? How would it help Gault on his island quest?

re: 1 chopper

When Kevin boards the freighter, there are zero choppers. While out in the ocean, when Kevin is talking to Frank Lapidus about 815, Frank's chopper is clearly seen. The angle of filming is such that we can't see the 2nd landing pad. Perhaps having this 2nd chopper on set was out of budget?

When the beefcakes are shooting guns, only a portion of the 2nd helipad can be seen, and appears empty. At the angle of filming, you can't see Frank's helicopter completely, but you can see the chopper blade/shadow.

re: Explosive briefcase

When Mike enters the code, and is about to press execute, for a moment, you can hear the song that was playing in his car when he was trying to off himself - the words "It's getting better". Then Libby appears and says "Don't do it Michael".

re: Sayid turning Michael in

We see the flashback, but does that mean Michael really described it to Desmond and Sayid in such detail? The tale ends with Michael admitting that he is working for Benjamin Linus.

From Sayid's point of view, (based on his belief that the freighter will rescue 815 survivors, and the Gault story that Ben is the baddie behind fake 815) Ben is the bad guy trying to stop the survivors from leaving. Michael already has killed Anna Lucia and Libby on behalf of the Others, he has sabotaged communication and the engines of the ship - Why wouldn't he turn him in to the captain?

Sayid is basically blindsided by his distrust for Ben to think anything else through.

Side note - Since the Constant, Desmond has pretty much only been around in the background to remind us he came with Sayid. C'mon writers - at least a playful Brutha line here or there!!!

re: Shooting

Carl takes a bullet in his right breast, and we see that it went completely through him via the mark on his back.

Rousseau gets shot just beneath her right breast. We do not see if the bullet went through.

re: Overall thoughts

After viewing it a 2nd time, I was not as annoyed as I was the first time. I stick with my original thought - Alex was mighty hot in this episode. In fact, way too hot for Carl - he had to go!

#174. Posted by: shikotee at March 21, 2008 11:10 PM bad....I watched it again.....they all said 324 bodies.

#175. Posted by: way_too_lost at March 21, 2008 11:48 PM

@160 Alaïs_Longthought thought longly that:

>>→ 159. lovelost: Does Ben know Sayid & Des are on the freighter?

>I think that depends on 1) whether Michael would report that (i.e., rat out Sayid & Des) to Ben as part of "the list"; & 2) whether Michael has had a chance to radio Ben since Sayid & Des arrived. Didn't he (Michael) wreck the communications room before Sayid & Des showed up anyway?

Yes, Ben's orders were to radio the list, then wreck the comm room, and this was before Sayid and Des arrived at the boat. There's been no Beachies to Barracks travellers to carry word of Sayid and Des's departure, so he couldn't know that way.

What oher surveillance sources Ben has, we know not. Somehow he knew (at least if we can trust 'Harper''s report, that Faraday and lewis were headed to the Tempest.

#176. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 21, 2008 11:52 PM

@168 jaybee asked:

>Any idea if "Cane" survived the first few episodes or the writers' strike? That would give us a hint about whether we'll ever see eyeliner man again.

"Cane" did not survive, and there will reportedly be more Richard Alpert appearances on "Lost" this season.

#177. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 21, 2008 11:56 PM

@171 Silhouette wondered

>I'm a bit confused by this since I thought when Ben showed Sawyer their island and 'his' island I assumed they were separate since he told Sawyer the only escape was to swim across; and the boat Kate/Sawyer/etc used to escape on.

The small island where the Hydra research station is located is NOT the island where the Barracks (Bennsylvania) and all the other stations are. The Hyrda is on a small island off the coast of the big island. Yhe Others sometimes go there (by boat), but they do not live there.

#178. Posted by: cecil Rose at March 22, 2008 12:02 AM

→ 161. Vikki: Cool double dot thing over the i:

I'm not sure how it's done on a PC, as I live in Macworld, but on a Mac it's Option+u, then type the letter you want the umlaut over.

→ 166. Clementine: Podcast recap:

Thanks! So Damon & Carlton said specifically that Jin's dead? That's very sad.

→ 169. shikotee: Eating one's hat

Maybe the Easter Bunny will bring you some chocolate chapeaux...

→ 176. Cecil Rose: Re "Alaïs_Longthought thought longly..."

Ah, but I think longINGly of Des... ; >

#179. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 22, 2008 12:25 AM

@172 emoticon
"Assuming Widmore staged the fake crash, I find it very hard to believe that he could ensure that everyone involved in the ruse would keep quiet."

Maybe Widmore only dug up 100 or so bodies from Thailand....then he filled up the rest of the plane with the bodies of everyone who else who helped prep and sink it.

He's pretty bad...

#180. Posted by: Frogurt at March 22, 2008 1:00 AM

@179. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought

"So Damon & Carlton said specifically that Jin's dead? That's very sad."

They did no such thing! They did refer to Jin's gravestone (so we know he is not O6) but they did not state that Jin is dead.

Jin is still very much alive.
I most certainly will bet a meal involving a thingamagiggy that goes on top of my head that such is the case!

#181. Posted by: shikotee at March 22, 2008 1:02 AM

I feel a weird vibe on the board right now. Maybe we are all a little sad that we have to wait a month to see more episodes.

****Podcast Spoiler?****
I found it interesting that Yemi and Walt were of the monster but others were described as aparitions. They also described Yemi, as well as Christian and Kate's horse, as undead. Also, they made no comment on the Hurley Bird. I have no idea what any of it means, but I found it all very interesting and confusing.
****End possible spoiler****

Namaster and NOIS

#182. Posted by: Not an Other at March 22, 2008 2:20 AM

Yes, I said Namaster. That's what I meant to say. It is a whole new level of well wishing. I don't think many of you all everybody will understand it, so it is now retired.

Namaste and NOIS

#183. Posted by: Not an Other at March 22, 2008 2:23 AM

GRAA Mac! Thanks for your indefatigable humor! Especially Rouseau's obit. Hilarious!!

Did anyone else have a problem that it obviously wasn't cold NYC weather around Christmas in Michael's fb? I just assumed Micheal was in LA until Tom said something.

Why was the alarm going off on the freighter when Gault was beating the crap out of that guy? That was weird.

→ 25. Posted by: bcre8ve
"I am hoping that Rousseau is not truly dead but only mostly dead."
Maybe when Miles comes to whisper to her she'll say, "Bllllaaaaaavvvvvve"

So far, we have:

Cecil Rose "Wow, did Alex ever grow up during the last couple episodes!" Yeah, now she's a little more 16 ;)
Thundarr The Barabrian
crewd "but Tania Raymonde is almost 20"

on the "Alex is hot" list. Maybe you guys could use the actress' name? It would creep me out a little less. And yes, she's hot, and also very pretty!

→ 44. Posted by: surefoot
"now we know it is not Walt banging on the pipes so who or what is it?"
I'm not convinced it isn't Walt...yet. Maybe he's making birds fly into the pipes? ;)

→ 45. Posted by: Cecil Rose
"Ur, ah, who shoots skeet with automatic weapons?" I know. Gross!

"And what's with Danielle (not) crawling off though the abundant long grass all around?)" Grrrrr, my thoughts exactly!

→ 51. Posted by: Vikki

This has been bothering me for a long time. Why wouldn't at least some of the Losties try it? I would.

→ 55. Posted by: Mister_Grimm
Yup, I thought this epi gave us a lot of answers and a lot to think about over the break. It went by so fast that when Alex is screaming in the jungle with her hands in the air, I couldn't believe an hour had gone by! Great storytelling IMHO.

→ 98. Posted by: bcre8ve
"I was hoping it was going to be the lady that Mal had whispered/swindled." Me too, me too!

→ 112. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought Great catch. I was completely baffled by that comment, until you pointed this out to me. Thanks!

→ 124. Posted by: Doctor Ron "there's something up between Claire and Miles." I thought that was a little too obvious to dismiss too.

→ 125. Posted by: RAW
"Uh, didn't he wipe out DHARMA?" There must have been some innocents in there somewhere. What's up with that guy? Maybe ILBLXX can give us some insight?

Thanks for all your great comments everyone! You make this show an awesome experience, especially for me over here on the other side of the puddle.

I'm off to digest welh's 147 post and respond, her made some excellent points.

#184. Posted by: En Provence at March 22, 2008 6:57 AM

@Alaïs #179 and Shikotee #181:

I do believe there’s a good possibility Jin remains alive on the island after the Oceanic Six return to civilization, but Damon’s words were “when we revealed that Jin was dead.”

Quote from the podcast (about 7:40 to 8:00 minutes in):

Damon: “...if you didn’t think we confirmed all the members of the Oceanic Six you’d be able to enjoy that episode, thinking you were seeing dual flashforwards, and at the end of it when we revealed that Jin was dead, and you saw on his gravestone that his date of death was the 22nd of September, 2004 which was the day of the crash, you would say “Oh, okay, now I know who all the members of the Oceanic Six are.” But people did not make that deduction.”

#185. Posted by: Clementine at March 22, 2008 8:16 AM

Does anyone else feel let down with the whole Rousseau and Alex story? I couldn't wait for them to be reunited, and a flashback tellng us about how she was stolen, etc. would have fit in nicely before Rousseau died.or is she dead??

Alex is definitely hot, but Karl is such a dweeb. Why is that?

Oh, and my attraction to Ben was back full swing this episode. No fat behind going over any hills!!

#186. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 8:41 AM

@shikotee - #174 - I had to go back and catch up, and I see you already made the observation about Karl...good minds think alike..:)

#187. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 8:48 AM

Assuming we're still talking current rescue year, can anyone tell me if the submarine has been blown up yet when Michael and Tom meet in NY? If it has been, we need another way off the island - or - maybe the Christmas decorations mean a full year has passed.

Back when Sayid and Desmond arrive on the freighter, Desmond say's "This is Widmore's boat?" and the captain replies "That's right, you know him." Does the captain know this simply because Penny keeps calling the boat? I also reflect back to what Sayid said to Miles about no one being surprised that there were survivors. Why is the captain not surprised that Desmond has been found?

re the constant banging noise on the ship. Someone made comment that it's obviously not Walt. We now know it's Michael playing catch.

I mentioned a few weeks ago that I thought Libby was working for Widmore. I think she was spying on the guy in the mental institute that heard the numbers. I think she set Desmond up with a boat and I think Widmore planned the race route so that Desmond would somehow be captured by the island. That's one way to get him out of Penny's life!

Also, Dan keeps saying you can't change the future. How about changing the past? Does that count?

Anyone think that the original 'others' would like to get rid of Ben. I feel that he manipulated his way into his leadership role over the 'others' that's why Alpert gave the Sawyer file to Locke. I think they want their island back.

We don't know for sure that Kelvin is dead. Do we?

#188. Posted by: pebsgonepostal at March 22, 2008 9:06 AM

Good catch on the monitor- I caught it as well but I work with them every day. The activate alarms thing is purely a technicality. I found it funny because I recognized it and seriously it is only a button that says admit/discharge patient and is purely a function to clear pt. info. Funny though.
He is definitely 100% NOT in the ER. He has his own bed and is sleeping in it And has a roommate.

The Mole is a tv show- it was on a couple of years ago and Anderson Cooper hosted it at the time.

With the time difference I was wondering how it all could have worked out. Michael and Walt leaving the island- Michael going home and his mother saying that he was gone for 2 1/2 months and couldn't tell anyone where he was. So again, what about the time difference that the rocket showed?

I found it super cool that the island apparently has the power to keep people alive in order to serve their purpose. Just as it brought everyone there- everyone was on the plane for a reason. Most were actually give the tickets.
I have heard a lot of mixed reviews about this episode but I actually thought I finally answered some questions and was decent. It wasn't mind blowing, but good. Michael I thought it was less annoying and if I would have heard "They took my son," in angry speech one more time I think my head would have exploded.

#189. Posted by: NurseM at March 22, 2008 9:17 AM

Did anyone notice that the setting with Libby is totally different than when the real nurse walks in. In the Libby scene there is no Christmas tree in the hallway, the monitor is different and the man in the next bed has an oxygen mask on.

#190. Posted by: pebsgonepostal at March 22, 2008 9:34 AM

@ 155. Posted by: lost4ever
re: welh "Michael out of character tells Walt that he is a horrible person"
I actually thought that Michael telling Walt that, was right in line with the type of person he is.

>>> My point was that on the island Michael was trying desperately to get Walt to trust him as a father figure. You don't try to build trust with your son by telling him you killed two of his friends and made a deal with the devil (Ben) to abandon the rest of your friends in order to selfishly leave the island. That's why Walt has cut Michael off in NYC.

>>>> I found the only believable and credible character in the entire episode to be Michael's mother.

>>>> I also think there is a "writer's tell" when we have ghosts appear to the castaways . . . it is physical manifestation of guilt.

#191. Posted by: welh at March 22, 2008 9:56 AM

B is for your Bunny with an 8 on its back
E is for your incredibly large Ego
N is very very Njaminey
J is because you love to play with Jack the weird breather
A is for the way you're AMAZING
M is for they way you Manipulate everyone
I is because you're very Intelegent
N is for N!

L is because i LOVE you
I is because Ilovebenjaminlinus
N is because No one can steal you away from meeeee
U is because U are married to your mother
S is because you're SUPER COOL!

Boy you tasty =]

(second part -- Fergilicious)

Ok folks... so I MAY NOT be here this week... But I might.

I'll have a lot of catching up to do.

#192. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 22, 2008 9:57 AM

Ok, guys... hold tight because this is a huge revelation!!!


Michael's real and only objective is to rescue Vincent so he can get to Walt's heart once again (assuming that he've been there already...)


Great posting everyone!

I liked the #43/Steve's theory.

See ya!

#193. Posted by: PreacherOnun at March 22, 2008 10:22 AM

ROFL @ the "Linus Song" by I<3BENJAMIN.

I totally agree with JoePike (#111) and everyone after that, that Alex is pregnant. I interpreted the scene in Benville, with her admiring Aaron and then holding her own belly a little too long, exactly the same!

Kudos to Steve (#43) for an interesting and fresh theory :).

Must go now, but I'll be back.

#194. Posted by: r-Yawn at March 22, 2008 11:12 AM

@139/PiecesofArzt - Why did Danielle look skeptical about the Temple and have to keep checking the map if she's lived there for 20+ years? Why doesn't she know the way?

If Danielle live on the island all those years and didn't know where to find her daughter, had not found any of the hatches and didn't know anything about Dharma, how could you expect her to know about the Temple?

#195. Posted by: JT at March 22, 2008 11:40 AM

@147/welh - Penny who had the Dharma station phone number, but she claimed to Charlie "what boat?" when she had been calling it over and over again?

Penny had contracted to monitor for signals - in search for Des. Once the hatch explosion was noted on monitoring radar, the signals to make contact could be focused to that area. As stated in the previous episode 'we intercepted' repeated calls from Des's girlfriend Penny. No need to have a tel#.

#196. Posted by: JT at March 22, 2008 11:57 AM

So I watched the episode again... and Alex is DEFINITELY pregnant.

Her stomach was even showing a little bit.

So does anyone remember how the lady that Miles went to looked like? Screen shots or something?

Maybe I'll just watch the whole season over again.

There was something else I was going to point out... but now I forget.

Maybe I'll remember on the plane when I watch it over.

#197. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 22, 2008 12:14 PM

#139 - PiecesofArtz - Also, if I were stranded on an island with smoke monsters, ghostly apparitions, and hostiles, I might not venture out much.....but, to contradict myself....if they had taken my baby, I would go through hell and high water to find them and plot out a plan to get the kid back.

So, where does that leave us on your question?? Right back where we started from.

#198. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 1:27 PM

If Alex is pregnant, perhaps it is the reason Ben is off the island in Sayid's FF. He has to get her off the island so she doesn't die. In his only heroic moment, he gives up the island to save his "daughter". But, as of Sayid's FF, he wants to make anyone associated with Widmore pay.

Namaste and NOIS

#199. Posted by: Not an Other at March 22, 2008 1:48 PM

Irrelevant post from an obvious anti-Dentite:

Did anyone notice that the three shooters who ambushed the Others, which ultimately led to Sawyer killing Tom, were all men who inflicted pain on others (Sayid, Jin the Enforcer and Bernard the dentist)?

#200. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 22, 2008 1:48 PM

@preacheronum - #193 Please post "Spoiler" next time you reveal something of that magnitude. You have completely ruined the show for me now that I know this!! :)

#200 - Scooby-Dude - watch it buddy, my brother-in law is a dentist... not that there's anything wrong with it.

Wow, without Friday night rewatch I might just go on the wagon....nahhhh My next project is going to be to watch from the beginning again - season 1

#201. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 2:30 PM

"So I watched the episode again... and Alex is DEFINITELY pregnant."

Hey Miss Naïveté, how are YOU aware of such things? ;)

Now back to MM ... go WI, Marq, Nova!

#202. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 2:35 PM

Not to be a homophobe or anything but...

What's the deal with making Tom gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that, but Hitchcock or somebody once said something about you only introduce something in a story so you can bring it back later. Otherwise, it's weak writing.

He was referring to a MacGuffin (e.g., showing a bomb under a chair so as to build suspense), but the point (and the song) remains the same. What's Tom's sexual preference got to do with the price of lima beans or the color of Kate's panties? Was it just a way to introduce Arturo?

And as for Michael playing catch with himself by bouncing a ball off of the wall, I thought that was more a shout-out to Steve McQueen in The Great Escape than SK's The Shining.

#203. Posted by: Randy at March 22, 2008 3:03 PM

Some quick comments:

I believe the runway was to facilitate an already existing airplane that's used to get to and from the island.

I'm really intrigued by Steve's (post #43) Black Rock Pirate theory.

The latest audio pod cast reference to the realm of the island being compared to a spacecraft entering the earth's atmosphere clears up the 305 vs. 325 bearing questions.

Put me in the "Alex is Mine" raffle.

#204. Posted by: DW...aka...Alex'sBaby'sDaddy at March 22, 2008 3:06 PM

→ 183. Not an Other: "Yes, I said Namaster. That's what I meant to say. It is a whole new level of well wishing. I don't think many of you all everybody will understand it, so it is now retired."

Didn't you mean Ni-masters? The knights from MP & the HG?

→ 184. En Provence: Christmas weather in NYC:

Between blogal & global warming, it's entirely possible to have no snow on the ground in NYC in December, & temps in the 40s are pretty common.

→ 185. Clementine: Is Jin dead?

Thanks, Clementine...I was wondering if I had read something wrong!

→ 186. meg: The mother & child reunion:

I agree; I was hoping for more screen time for Danielle & Alex together. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Danielle's got "just a flesh wound."

→ 188. pebsgonepostal: Is Kelvin dead?

Wow, we spend a lot of time here wondering if people are really dead. I don't remember if Des stopped to check Kelvin's pulse after knocking him into the rocks; it seems to me that at that point Des realized that the 108-minute window was nearly up & took off in a mad sprint to the Swan to enter the nos. Anyone else remember? We haven't seen Kelvin since then, though, & if he wasn't part of Ben's Others then I'm not sure where he would be...unless the Others found him & hauled him back to New Otherton & indoctrinated him into Otherworld.

→ 191. welh: Why would Michael tell Walt what he did?

Could be that Walt was getting on Michael's case & he (Michael) just lost his temper entirely & yelled something like, "After all I've done for you you dis me like that! I had to kill people to save you from that island!" (The irony there is that Walt—at least initially—wanted to stay on the island, which is why he burned the first raft.) Or Michael, being as guilt-racked as he is, tried to gain some absolution by telling Walt what he did, hoping that Walt would say, "It's okay, Dad, you did what you had to do to save us."

#205. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 22, 2008 3:10 PM

→ 203. Randy: Why have Tom be gay?

It actually picks up on the comment that Tom made way back at the beginning of S3, when he told Kate that she wasn't his type.

#206. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 22, 2008 3:14 PM


I agree, and think it was intended to be a humorous punch-line to that setup. Hell, I thought it was funny!

Unfortunately, many people here now seem to be walking on egg-shells with regard to this issue, and I hope I’m not even somewhat responsible for dampening the fun-level here (really, I could not be further from PC policeman). Dudes and dudettes, we CAN all lighten up, and do not constantly have to worry so much about being offensive; anyone intent on doing so, knows it, but no one else need be so concerned.

I look at this like the famous Supreme Court opinion regarding erotic art versus pornography ... I know it when I see it. Likewise, there is an obvious difference between a carefully crafted insult (witticism/joke/sarcasm) and base vulgarity, or intelligently worded opinion, and just being a jerk.

#207. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 3:39 PM

BTW, (now here I am being concerned), I was referring to one (since deleted) comment made very early on ...

#208. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 3:52 PM

@43 Steve
Interesting theory. Are you saying that maybe on this island they have found the Fountain of Youth?

#209. Posted by: lost4ever at March 22, 2008 4:08 PM

@ Alaïs_Longthought -

I thought I could slip it by everyone. But yes, the Ni-masters relocated to the island because of the abundance of shrubbery.

Namaste and NOIS

#210. Posted by: Not an Other at March 22, 2008 4:38 PM

Concerning the theory that Ben is Alex's biological father:

Danielle states in Exodus Part 1 that she was already 7 months pregnant when her ship went aground on the island.

This would mean that Ben would have to been with Danielle and off of the island when Alex was conceived. Although possible, it's an unlikely scenario.

#211. Posted by: DW at March 22, 2008 4:39 PM

I wonder why they made Ben straight?? I mean, it has nothing at all to do with the story line.

Now I am interested in the deleted comment. I'm just like a kid: if you tell me I shouldn't read it, it makes me desire to read it even more.

#212. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 4:50 PM

@180. Posted by: Frogurt

re: bodies from Thailand

I'm no expert on underwater decomposition, but if they were able to film the remains, would you not be able notice the racial differences? Or is it such that the bodies would be so swollen that you can't tell?

@182. Posted by: Not an Other

re: weird vibe

As Friday was a holiday for many, we did not have the portion of people contributing who are goofing off at work. LoL - if we want to hear from them, they need to be on the clock!

**** Pod spoils

To be fair, the were joking around with the identification thing. It was done a-la word association motif. Biggest reveal is to keep in mind that not everything is Monster related.

**** End pod spoils

@185. Posted by: Clementine

Fair enough - we're on the same page.

@186. Posted by: meg

I doubt Rousseau is dead, but from a storytelling perspective, I think they really dropped the ball with how the reunion has been handled. I guess they want us to believe that there is talking and bonding going on in the background, but it just seems so "meh".

@188. Posted by: pebsgonepostal

It has been suggested a few times that the Others confidence in Ben is murky. He better hope 2005 is not an election year on the island!

@189. Posted by: NurseM

"I found it super cool that the island apparently has the power to keep people alive in order to serve their purpose."

Like others, I wonder if this is tied in with the "you can't change the future" and "course correction" mythos of the show? Mike can't die, because in the future, he has to....

@190. Posted by: pebsgonepostal

When Mike sees Libby in hospital, it is a dream sequence, and things are different. He snaps awake out of shock. Interesting that in dream mode, things would very closely resemble the real world...

@193. Posted by: PreacherOnun

Lol - I think he'll need Locke's help!

@194. Posted by: r-Yawn

Not certain about Alex being pregnant. She knows what happens to pregnant women - why wouldn't she have gone off with Jack and co?

The image is meant to be from Ben's point of view, and the most important thing that the camera is focused on is Karl's hand on Alex's ass. Karl has balls to do that in front of her biological mother and adoptive father.

I wonder what the Claire-Alex conversation consisted of?

Claire: - Man - I can't thank you enough for freeing me from that Ethan Rom creep. Out of curiosity, with the mass amounts of Others on island, why were you, a 16 year old girl there to begin with?

I hope the don't make Alex preggers. No island Juno for me! And for crying out loud - where the heck are the Dharma branded condoms and birth control? Did they run out?

@197. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx

I wouldn't go so far and say "DEFINITELY pregnant"

@199. Posted by: Not an Other

Evidence is suggesting that there must be easy ways to leave the island, if you know how. If Alex is pregnant, I could see him helping her...

@203. Posted by: Randy

"What's the deal with making Tom gay?"

It could suggest that the Others are at the least, progressive in thought. That is to say, their society is cool with same sex relationships.

Then again, it could be the opposite. Other than Tom's line to Kate, is there any evidence that he is openly gay? I don't think we've seen him flirt with other men on the island. Perhaps Other society is not opened minded, and Tom can only "indulge" in secret, and while away from the island.

Or maybe there is a more twisted story line - maybe Tom is Jacob's biatch? Perhaps Tom thought he could get away with a little something on the side in NY (with that man-whore Arturo), and Jacob would never know. Silly Tom - Jacob knows everything! So when Tom returned, he decided to stop protecting him, and let Sawyer kill him on the beach. This is all your fault Arturo!

@205. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought

I totally could picture Kelvin being alive, but I doubt it. I'd like to think that Desmond (almost a monk) would have the decency to sprint out, snag the body and bring it closer to the hatch, and bury it. If not, would he not at least have passed by the body when he went to his boat?

@207. Posted by: ealgumby

As you have mentioned, I think it is clear when we are talking about an issue, and when someone is just on a hate binge. I guess we'll see what people think about my Jacob's biatch line!

We've seen many literary references in Lost. I wonder if the Tom gay reveal after he is dead can at all be paralleled to the Dumbledore gay reveal in Harry Potter? We find out that both are gay after they are dead. Dumbledore is not openly revealed as gay within the series - J.K. only revealed this after all the books came out (pardon the pun).

#213. Posted by: shikotee at March 22, 2008 4:55 PM

@shikotee - lol, man that last post was a funny one.

"Jacob's biatch", lol, I hope now, post strike, the writers still have that sense of humor. Maybe they just throw this stuff in just to mess with us. Not everything means something, but our job is to figure out what does, and what doesn't.

Maybe that little toy airplane Kate had back in season 1 (?) was foreshadowing that she will eventually crash in an airplane, maybe nothing at all.

One of you OCDs out there need to compile a list of all the tiny, little clues that have led us...nowhere. Any takers??

#214. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 5:44 PM

...well, first there was the lead pipe in the dining room by Col. Mustard . . .

#215. Posted by: davidrh at March 22, 2008 5:50 PM

M-O-O-N spells Jackie ...

March commercial Madness sets in ...

#216. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 5:55 PM

I was just looking back to some of the posts from season 1 and 2. Vikki and JoePike have been around a while! I still haven't come across my first post yet, and I am up to "Dave'. Cecil Rose - just came across some of your lovely haiku

#217. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 6:19 PM

Can't even remember when I stumbled across this gem, nor first post ... started out on Lost-Forum for the first couple seasons, but quickly abandoned trying to keep current; too much volume (and the preponderance of irrational flamings there).

First post I remember making for sure here, was anagram of "Goodwin" as "I go down" after his early steamy scene with Juliet, and her subsequent Cheshire smile ...

Off subject ... On Wisconsin! Go Marquette!

#218. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 6:50 PM

Raaaaaaaw-ock Chaaaaaah-lk, Jaaaaaa-Hawk.

(They have all my money for two DMA's, I have to root for them just to earn my money back! . . .)

#219. Posted by: davidrh at March 22, 2008 7:02 PM


Sorry ... come on Runnin' Rebs! (for Nova's sake!)

#220. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 7:16 PM

Sorry to break into your sports conversat but I have another important off topic thing to add, my first post...sniff sniff, here it is. From season 2, SOS: (wow, I used to take the time to capitalize then. I have really let myself go)

→ 152. Posted by: Meg at April 13, 2006 08:09 PM

I am almost afraid to post since you all seem so grammitically aware! :0) But, I'll take a chance. I want to make a few points:

1. I do not think we know why Jin and her husband were in Australia, do we?

2. At first I was disappointed in this episode, especially since last week. Then after reading Mac's review I felt that he was right. The detail and the buidup is part of the "drug" that hooks us all on Lost. I LOVED the look into those two's past. Tgus goes the continuation of black and white.

3. Sayeed was absent because he was off filming that movie maybe.

4. How do you all know the names of the locations on the map? I paused it on my dvr and still couldn't see anything.

#221. Posted by: meg...MIF at March 22, 2008 7:49 PM

Sorry, but as I was reading I stumbled across this gem, a first post from vacc

Since this is my first post, i'll Ecko the sentiments of all who appreciate and look forward to Mac's summaries and all the comments each week. Awesome, insightful, and highly entertaining!

If HGI (Henry Gale Imposter) is correct that God can't see the island, then Ecko building a church probably won't help to save anyone... That could also be the ultimate "free pass" on sins since God wouldn't be able to keep score. And to think that Charlie went to such extremes to make sure that baby Aaron was baptised..

→ 175. Posted by: vacc at April 14, 2006 11:48 AM cc same episode SOS

#222. Posted by: meg...MIF at March 22, 2008 7:55 PM

Okay, too drunk now to spend the time looking over back posts....but, the thought is there. Some of you I believe have changed names?? One of these days I'll keep it all organized, but for now I surrender myself to a last Saturday night of alcoholic bliss....:)

I am watching a boring documentary on the migrant farmworker in America. Should be asleep soon, but Murrow sure did a good job. Life here hasn't changed too much since then..unfortunately.

#223. Posted by: meg...aka...Cindy's scarf at March 22, 2008 8:09 PM


Found my first post from S3, "Par Avion" ... not an embarassingly bad theory for the time, since I mention time travel ...

This episode confirms my long-held belief that the Others know so much about the Losties, because "Jacob" is one of them. I think "the list" consists of the people who survived until some point in the future, when "Jacob" (Locke?) discovers the island's secret, and inadvertently transports himself back in time. With knowledge of the future, he amassed a fortune and established the outpost on the island, waiting for the plane crash he knew would come. I'm assuming that he wants to prevent the "accident" this time around, and needs key personnel from the Losties camp to make it so.

Or some variation thereof ...
→ 68. Posted by: ealgumby

#224. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 8:13 PM

→ 207. ealgumby: Tom "outed" by producers:

My husband didn't get why I was laughing when Arturo showed up...I had to remind him of Tom's line to Kate. Probably there're lots of more casual LOST-watchers who were similarly puzzled at Tom's reveal.

→ 210. Not an Other: "The Ni-masters relocated to the island because of the abundance of shrubbery."

In that case, I fully expect to see cows flying out of the bushes sometime soon. Fetchez la vache!

→ 212. meg: Why is Ben straight?

So that you & Ilovebenjaminlinusxx can be his type, of course! ; )

→ 213. shikotee: What happened to Kelvin?

I was wondering if the tide came up over the rocks & carried Kelvin's body away.

Thinking back to the glory days of the Swan...why would anyone put a window in a hatch entrance/exit, & why would said entrance/exit be buried several feet underground? It would be impossible to use it as an emergency exit; someone would have to go out the front door & dig it out, in which case why bother digging it out?

#225. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 22, 2008 8:17 PM

@207 ealgumby et all...please disregard what I said up in the 50's somewhere about the comment in the old post 21...I didn't check back to see if it was deleted and now it seems like I had a problem with the new post, which I don't. I agree, ealgumby, that we don't have to get too oversensitive in here, but there's a line between a joke and not a joke, you know what I mean? And I have always appreciated the wit and humor in here...we seldom get the ignorance :)

@meg 217...yup, I have been round these parts since day 1...back when I was convinced that this show was nothing more than a modern day take Lord of the Flies. I still think there's tons of connections between the two (probably because I teach that title and love the story) but boy was I wrong, huh!

#226. Posted by: Vikki at March 22, 2008 8:18 PM

This show's going down.
So much mystery around, and no one seems to care about each other's agenda. While Locke's gang made a little information hour, Jack's group's still fishing and picking coconuts... and waiting for mysterious rescuers to come!
I mean, it feels SO wrong already. Why don't people talk?

Alex wasn't shot. Karl and Rosseau were. This smells SO Ben, especially since shooter didn't show himself and Ben's free now. Sounds like savage mother and pesky boyfriend out of the the way!

Sayid probably has a plan. There was no real need to give up Michael, especially since Michael could help them escape the freighter when needed. So there's something bigger than yelling "traitor!" behind this.

Michael is still annoying. Not as horrible as Charlie was in Season 2 though, with his drug-claire-baby triangle. But still, eww.

#227. Posted by: InCreator at March 22, 2008 8:38 PM

This has to be one of my favorite posts yet:

→ 279. Posted by: yhgig777 at March 19, 2007 08:58 PM

#228. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 8:41 PM

@Vikki/226 - #21
BTW - you typoed (sp?) originally ... it was #41 ... but agree ...

and LotF is certainly an influence (like many others), most likely a significant initial basis, for the current saga ... WAY too many parallels to ignore, I fully agree (from Jack, to the plane crash, to the monster, to the boar, to survival, to etc., etc.) ...

#229. Posted by: ealgumby at March 22, 2008 8:43 PM

Thinking back to the glory days of the Swan...why would anyone put a window in a hatch entrance/exit, & why would said entrance/exit be buried several feet underground? It would be impossible to use it as an emergency exit; someone would have to go out the front door & dig it out, in which case why bother digging it out?
Å® 225. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 22, 2008 8:17 PM

Boy, it’s been a long time since Season 1, but didn’t Locke and Boone either accidentally kick a part of the exposed hatch or at least trip and hit the object, immediately realizing it was metal? Obviously, some of the hatch cover was above the ground . . so it might well be that originally, the hatch was uncovered but winds and storms blew dirt and debris over it for a number of years, thus hiding most of it from sight.

Admittedly, it seems that Locke and Boone did some very EXCESSIVE excavation to uncover the complete hatch . . . more than seemed absolutely necessary.

But, it did make for a very impressive BIG HOLE IN THE GROUND when they brought Jack and company to see it later . . .

#230. Posted by: davidrh at March 22, 2008 8:47 PM

This is the first post I've seen from the cereal boy...:) He wasn't plural then...:

Gale definitely referred to the leader as "He".

Do you think it could be Desmond on the boat? Maybe he was trying to get away from the vampires in purgatory?

→ 84. Posted by: crispy seaplane at May 18, 2006 02:54 PM

#231. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 8:51 PM

Wow! I was on to the whole gay thing way back in season 2. See post below. Anyone care to theorize??? (joke, of course)

I noticed that during my nerdy rewatch of it. Also, I wondered why they portrayed the whole Charlie Eko deal as a lovers quarrel. To the point of Charlie moving into the hatch as a "bachelor's pad". Eko was frustratingly vague with Charlie.
Later, it seemed as if Jack was angry with Eko when he said "You were supposed to be back right away!" Jack always seems mad at people.

→ 198. Posted by: Meg at May 19, 2006 10:31 AM

#232. Posted by: meg...aka...Cindy's scarf at March 22, 2008 8:59 PM

@ Meg

re: previous post flashbacks

It must be funny to look back at the earlier postings. So many crazy different theories/ideas...

Confession time - I had never watched the show until the downtime between S2 and S3. I started watching S1 + S2, and if memory serves me correct, via a random google search or something like that, I came across Mac's blog.

I remember my very first thought upon visiting this blog...

Where the &*#% is the review for the pilot episode?!?

I think I may have even cursed you Mac! (sorry)

It was a pleasure watching the episodes at my own leisure, and reading up on them after. Mac - your blog entries were fantastic supplemental reading!


For whatever reason, I very much remember the last lines of this comment from "White Rabbit":


You sir have entirely too much time on your hands. However, I am glad for that because had you not the inclination to create these posts I would have to think for myself. Thanks for the insight.

PS. I like Hurley, it's good to see a fat man get some acting work.

→ 1. Posted by: Chris at July 1, 2005 12:40 AM

Chris - whatever happened to ya? Your honesty totally cracked me up back then, as it still does now!

Comments were sparse in those days - I can't imagine what it will be like for poor S.O.B.'s to read through the ones we have now!

When S3 began, I got to experience my first episode of Lost with commercials, and boy did I not like it! I felt it totally broke the rhythm that I was used to.

My first post was after the review of S3e2 "The Glass Ballerina". So eager was I to post, that I even mixed up my actual reference!


Has there ever been any footage of any of the "Others" feet? Maybe they all only have four toes?

Perhaps a slight homage to 1984?
"4 Toes Good, 5 Toes bad!"

I'm waiting for a future episode where we learn about a Dharma geneticist who engineers animals with multiple arses....

Keep up the good work Mac!

→ 212. Posted by: Shikotee at October 15, 2006 11:59 PM


Wow - Even back then, a South Park reference! A few people noted my mistake, and I replied the next morning:


Yikes - I totally meant "Animal Farm", and am surprised I typed in "1984".

See what happens when you post before going to bed!

Just don't send me to y'olde Glue Factory, as they did with old Boxer.

Nevertheless - Big Dharma is Watching!

→ 216. Posted by: Shikotee at October 16, 2006 9:58 AM

Anyhoots - Just a quick trek down nostalgia lane!

I now return you to your regular programming....

#233. Posted by: shikotee at March 22, 2008 9:17 PM

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but isn't that what we do here?? :) here's one of my comments from the end of season 2

I finally had a chance to watch the end again. I have to admit, I thought some of you had your minds in the gutters when it was stated that Alex felt up Kate. She clearly did!! Was this a slip of the hands maybe or what, but it looked pretty obvious and strange to me. Any ideas why??

→ 258. Posted by: meg at May 30, 2006 10:57 AM nd of season 2....hmmm

#234. Posted by: meg...MIF at March 22, 2008 9:17 PM

Ms. Longthought - this post must have been from before you learned the trick on the keyboard (two dots above the i). From "A Tale of Two Cities"

One thing that I think we're all assuming & that's that Dharma World/Hanso Land is on the island that the Lostaways are on. One of the last scenes from Season 2's finale shows Jack etc. by the Pala Ferry. It's possible that Dharma World is on another, nearby island & the Hydra station is partially underwater in-between the two islands. Not sure how highly I'd rate the possibility of it, but I thought I'd kick it out there.

And Mac, *wonderful* recap as always. Finally, a reason to look forward to Thursdays again...thanks!

→ 134. Posted by: Alais_Longthought at October 5, 2006 10:47 PM

#235. Posted by: meg at March 22, 2008 9:28 PM

Does anyone realize that John Locke lost his left kidney b/c that's where his scar is and that Ben shot him in the right one!?

#236. Posted by: Evans at March 22, 2008 9:45 PM

ealgumby -- She looked like she was getting fat.

I didn't mean "definitely" as like DEFINITELY. I meant it more as in an opinion. But whatever.

#237. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 22, 2008 10:12 PM


Wow, "whatever?"

Perhaps you mistook the intent of my comment ... I was going to say Miss Ingénue, but at some level thought that too implicitly accusatory.

Anyway, have a Happy Easter (you and all else, specially celebrated or not).

#238. Posted by: ealgumby at March 23, 2008 12:55 AM

@ Alaïs_Longthought -
I would have agreed with you about the cow, but now the only Frenchman on the island was shot dead (maybe). Perhaps the next attempt to get Alex to the temple will involve a very large wooden rabbit, perhaps with a 15 painted on the side.

Namaste and NOIS

#239. Posted by: Not an Other at March 23, 2008 1:42 AM

Perhaps that last sentence utilized the word perhaps one too many times, perhaps.

Namaste and NOIS

#240. Posted by: Not an Other at March 23, 2008 1:43 AM

""(Did anyone else think Capt. Gault was about to look at Michael, look back at Sayid, then say "I know"?).""

Yes! Verbatium! He most definetly already knows about Michael, there was no surprise on his face.

#241. Posted by: Unti at March 23, 2008 3:16 AM

I'm still sticking with my theory that Michael is Ben's "man" on the boat.




Please say you found humor in that statement. We got a month to fill folks.

Don't make me whip out Cindy's Scarf like a kid playing with a towel in the locker-room, and rat tail you with it.

#242. Posted by: callaway76 at March 23, 2008 4:43 AM

@calloway - This must be your first - from "Further Instructions"

Mac - so nice to have you here. No absortion of a LOST episode is truly complete until I read your review. You seem to have a bit of a new format where you combine the backstory and main story in to one point. I think I like it.

So many jokes to point out. But refering to Desmond's "Lil-Highlander" was awesome.

Also, it was weird when Desmond predicted the future. He said it non-chalant as if everyone saw the speech. Then after Hurley's response, he realized he's being transfered to the Sci-Fi channel to be a Hero.

Coolness, we finally have gotten back to pace with the entire island. Let's move forward and bring back the Lost-Zilla.

Oh, did you catch that Locke rode up on an elevator in the airport. They actually dedicated a whole web site to it.

And what does

→ 145. Posted by: callaway76 at October 20, 2006 12:08 AM

#243. Posted by: meg at March 23, 2008 8:48 AM

Re Tom being gay:

Sometimes a scarf is just a scarf

#244. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 23, 2008 9:17 AM

@244. Posted by: Scooby-Dude

"Sometimes a scarf is just a scarf"

And sometimes the scarf just looks like a scarf, but is actually a shawl....

#245. Posted by: shikotee at March 23, 2008 10:33 AM

Ahhh, one of my least favorite episodes "Tricia Tanaka" was when RNM as we now know him came into existence..... (He had a birthday recently, and due to all the Dharma beer, we all forgot)

Most important piece(of Artz) information: I will no longer go by my regular name of Mhausen11....from now on, I will be known as:


→ 74. Posted by: Mhausen11 at March 1, 2007 3:51 PM

#246. Posted by: meg at March 23, 2008 12:24 PM

@ meg w/a whole bunch of posts:

I hereby nominate you for the Charlotte S. Lewis Memorial Chair of Archeology at LOST University/Filmfodder Campus!

#247. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 23, 2008 2:25 PM

Alias - Oh my, I am honored...but, I believe we need an acronym for that!

How 'bout The CSLMCLAUFC Award? Much easier to remember?? (NOT)

#248. Posted by: meg at March 23, 2008 2:52 PM

*** A podcast spoiler? (are those spoilers?) ***

In the Feb 15th Audio Podcast they're talking about the Tunisian polar bear excavation site and how the bear got there... I suppose that's a good enough an explanation on how the Others get around so fast, including Tom to NYC. No need for WAGNABBs?

Who knows, maybe the island used to belong to the mystical people of Mu who build a network of gates to travel instantly from one planet to... oh wait, I mean... from the island to other specific parts on Earth.

Or maybe they've got underground transoceanic maglevs for speedy off-island getaways. Hauling cargo could be one of Ben's sources of income -- and I did stumble upon this conveniently named company: transoceanic*com

#249. Posted by: crewd at March 23, 2008 4:18 PM

Everyone else is so quiet, I don't mind entertaining you with the post that created MIF. Only once in my life was I first on this blog....and here is the response that spawned MIF... (but, I bring this up sweetly, because I had never felt so accepted until people sprang to my honor!!) I'll delete the poster, of course.

Do you want to know the most annoying thing, bloggers like Meg. Are you that excited that you are the "first" one to post? I have to know Meg, how old are you?

Other than that, the episode was great. It is strange though that Paulo had the time away from Julliet. Anytime we have ever seen them they were always together. So it was kinda good to see that they actually seperated each other for a while.

Also, was Julliets plan to paralyzed Paulo and bury him alive? It just seemed extreme to kill him because he lied to her. Oh well.

→ 85. Posted by: ????????? at March 29, 2007 2:49 PM

#250. Posted by: meg at March 23, 2008 8:12 PM

→ 250. meg

Rather than picking on other posters, obviously ???? needs to pay more attention to the characters in an episode, no?

Regardless of whether meg is actually first (MIAcF), meg is always first (MIAlF). ; )

#251. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 23, 2008 8:26 PM

My thoughts exactly!!! Ms. Longthought... Have you ever gone back and read your posts? It's entertaining. mac should publish a book with these. At least he could sell it to us, if no one else.

Funny though, reading back over some of these (and I only skimmed them up to "One of Us") makes me so impressed by all of the intelligence on here. Shame that the US economy is sagging because of all the money wasted in work hours...:)

#252. Posted by: meg at March 23, 2008 8:42 PM

@ meg #252:

I haven't actually gone back & read previous posts, mine or anyone else's, but there was a conversation here in mac-world w/i the last month about mac publishing a LOST book & I volunteered my editorial services. Last year I edited an introductory textbook on linear programming & right now I'm working on a book about deer scent dispensers...a LOST book would be so much more interesting! And I do think there would be a market for it beyond the inhabitants of this blog.

#253. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 23, 2008 10:33 PM

Something to do while on a 5 week hiatus. some lighthearted memories of my favorite show:

Season 1-Episode 1 - "Pilot, Part 1"

{Boone attempting CPR on Rose}
BOONE: That's exactly what I was doing. I'm a lifeguard. I'm licensed.
JACK: Yeah, well, you need to seriously think about giving that license back.
BOONE: Maybe we should do one of those hole things. You know, stick the pen in the throat?
JACK: Yeah, good idea. You go get me a pen.
{shortly after hurley and claire were almost crushed by falling wing of plane}
JACK [to Claire]: You okay?
JACK [to Hurley]: You? [Hurley sort of nods lying on the ground]. Stay with her.
HURLEY: Dude, I'm not going anywhere.
(Hurley’s initial DUDE response)
[Shot of Claire sitting on a piece of wreckage. Hurley comes up with a tray of airplane food.]
HURLEY: Hungry?
CLAIRE: Yeah, thanks.
HURLEY: Anymore, uh… you know, baby stuff?
CLAIRE: No. I'm-I'm okay.
HURLEY: So, I was just looking inside the fuselage… It's pretty grim in there. You think we should do something about the, uh… [stopping and looking at Walt] b-o-d-y-s?
****************************************[Shot of Kate, Charlie, Jack in the jungle in the rain.]
CHARLIE: Hey guys, is this normal? Kind of… day turning into night, you know? End of the world type weather. ****************************************

#254. Posted by: smoke whisperer at March 23, 2008 11:07 PM

Here's epi 2, hope some will enjoy!

Season 1-Episode 2 -"Pilot, Part 2"

SAYID: I was a military communications officer.
HURLEY: Oh yeah? You ever see battle?
SAYID: I fought in the Gulf War.
HURLEY: No way! I got a buddy who fought over there. He was in the 104th airborne. What were you - Air Force… Army?
SAYID: The Republican Guard.
[Shot of Jin offering urchin to Hurley.]
HURLEY: What's that? What, that? Eat that? [laughs] Dude. Dude. I'm… starving… But, I'm nowhere near that hungry. [laughs] No. No. No, thank you! No way, no. [laughs]
SHANNON: I've just been through a trauma here, okay?
BOONE: We've all been through a trauma. The only difference is, since the crash, you've actually given yourself a pedicure.
[Shot of Jin offering urchin to Claire.]
CLAIRE: No. Tha- thank you. No, it's okay. [Jin keeps insisting] Not really. Okay. Thanks.
[She eats some and then feels her baby move. She jumps up and makes Jin touch her belly.]
CLAIRE: Oh, gosh. I just felt it. I ju… Come here, feel this. Please. [Jin resists, but Claire keeps insisting]. Please. Please. Do you feel that? There! Right there, that's a kick! There! There, right there's a foot! Oh no, he's, wait, he's moving around. "He". "He". I guess I think you're a "he".
(the comedic value of this scene was in the Jin's expressions)
[Shot of Jack and Hurley with Marshal Mars getting ready to take out the shrapnel.]
HURLEY: You sure he's out?
JACK: He's out.
HURLEY: How do you know he won't wake up when you yank that thing out?
JACK: I don't.
HURLEY: Hey, guy, are you awake? Yo, there's a rescue plane! We're saved! Yaaay! [Marshal Mars doesn't react at all.] Yeah, he's out. So—what do you want me…
JACK: Look, it's unlikely that he'll regain consciousness. But the pain might bring him around. And if it does, I need you to hold him down.
HURLEY: Uh… I'm not so good around blood, man.
JACK: Then don't look.
HURLEY: Yeah. But… I'm not so good around blood.
JACK: Just do the best you can. Okay? Don't look.
[Jack pulls the shrapnel out.]
JACK: Hand me those strips.
JACK: Just hand me the strips, I need to get this bleeding stopped.
HURLEY: I don't think I can.
HURLEY: "Oh" what? What, what's going on, something in there? [Hurley looks down]
JACK: The strips. Just hand me the strips. Give it to me. [Hurley looks sick.] Don't even think about it, Hurley. Don't even think a… Hurley! Hey! [Hurley passes out on the Marshal] Damn it!
(probably the scene which got me hooked on Jorge Garcia’s character)
SAYID and KATE [at the same time]: It's a polar bear.
SHANNON: Yeah, but… Polar bears don't usually live in the jungle.
KATE [to Sawyer]: Where did that come from?
SAWYER: Probably Bear Village. How the hell do I know?
KATE: Not the bear. The gun.
SAYID: D-Does anybody speak French?
BOONE: She does.
SHANNON: No, I don't. What?
BOONE: What the hell are you talking about? You spent a year in Paris!
SHANNON: Drinking, not studying!

#255. Posted by: smoke whisperer at March 23, 2008 11:20 PM

ealgumby -- I think you may have mistook my "whatever". Actually, I don't know anymore! Ah.

You used too many big words. Hehe. =]

Happy Easter to you too! And everyone else.

I did an Easter Egg hunt and I got a lot of candy. It made me really happy.

I ate some of it.

#256. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 24, 2008 9:33 AM

@216 Shikotee said, wisely:

>Comments were sparse in those days - I can't imagine what it will be like for poor S.O.B.'s to read through the ones we have now!

In conjunction with extending my haiku back to episode 1, I reread all the reviews and comments from seasons 1-3. 1 was a snap. 3 not so much. 4- wow!

#257. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 24, 2008 9:51 AM

I take it a lot of people are off from work today

When we are off work
The Lost blog goes forgotten
This is very sad

#258. Posted by: meg at March 24, 2008 11:32 AM

Did Mikhail survive all of his calamities because the island
had a mission for him? If so what was it? Kill Charlie? Blow up the Looking Glass Comm room? Give Locke access to one less hand granade?

@188/pebsgonepostal "Why is the captain not surprised that Desmond has been found?"

I would like to submit that the Widmore group had a multi-pronged misson.

Mission 1: Naomi reconn and retrieve Desmond

Mission 2: Disarm the Tempest

Mission 3: Capture Ben and kill all island inhabitants

If true, why would Widmore want Desmond? Or, maybe, Penny got wind of the mission, got to Naomi, and added her own little rescue Des step to the mission. (Not probable due to her "What boat" question.)

Anyway, something to ponder for the next four weeks.

#259. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 24, 2008 11:46 AM

I did an Easter Egg hunt and
I got a lot of candy.
It made me really happy.
I ate some of it.

256. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx

Considering her youthful exuberance and the fact that she is still a year and a half away from Senior English . . . AND . .

In keeping with the grand tradition of the CECIL ROSE HAIKU HALL OF FLAME - poetry dedicated solely to “burning issues” -

Could we not consider ilovebenjaminlinusxx’s post either an example of allomorphed Senryu or at the least, overly-distended Tanka poetry?

WAIT!!! THAT’S IT!!! I know how to fill the next 5 weeks! All of our postings have to be written in either Haiku, Senryu or Tanka!!!! Good idea, huh!?!?!

OK. I’ll start . . .

There once was a Kate from Nantucket
Who . . .



#260. Posted by: davidrh at March 24, 2008 12:01 PM

maybe everyone is recovering from march madness ;)

#261. Posted by: tiffani at March 24, 2008 12:10 PM

First time poster from Rotterdam, Netherlands. Have been visiting for a a few months, great blog.

I Really like the pirates-theory!

Here's what I just thought up. I'm high right now, so it's probably 95% nonsense :-)

The island is located on a spot on the globe where, millions of years ago, certain natural forces accidentily combined/collided, which messed with time and space, creating new laws of physics. The Island itself even became something of an entity.

I think Jacob is (the ghost of) the only remaining native, after the fall of the 4-toe people who lived on the island thousands of years ago. Their society crumbled after it's leaders learned to use some of the Island's powers. They used them to terrify and terrorise their subjects. Things got really evil and the Island decided to cleanse itself.

Jacob was ruler at the time of the cleansing. He was the only one powerful enough to withstand the Island. But he's gone insane over the years. The pirates (incl Tom and eyeliner guy) came to the island, came in contact with him, but couldn't communicate with him.

Ben turns out to be the first person who can actually hear Jacob and talk to him. He brings Jacob up to date on the modern world. Jacob, being insane, now wants to become a God and mess with the whole world. Ben knows Jacob is delusional. He just wants to have the Island to himself and play God with it's inhabitants.

Widmore is no good guy either, just a guy with too much ego, curiosity and money. He's coming with a small army and some nerds to battle Ben for the Island's secrets.

The Lostees are simply caught in the middle of all this. The Island has it's own agenda. It simply craves harmony. All the human interference destabilizes it, which could endanger it and the entire world. So it plans to either get rid of the dangerous ones or wipe them all out.

In the end, there will be two camps, even though some won't actually realize in which camp they really are. A Jacob-camp and an Island-camp. There will be war. There will be Jack vs Locke, Locke vs Ben, Ben vs Rose, etc, and finally Hurly vs Jacob. There will be a handful of survivors. The Island will dissapear beneath the waves.

Something like that :-/

#262. Posted by: Robislost at March 24, 2008 12:31 PM

Ben says freighter no engine
No arrive island
Then island no magnet

#263. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 24, 2008 12:35 PM

@ meg: remembering my 're-birth' makes me all warm and fuzzy-navel inside. (Alcoholic reference free of charge....and getting mighty popular may I say)

I don't think Alex is preggers at all...why? because Karl is such an immense tool that there is no way she'd give it up to him. massive loser!

#264. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 24, 2008 12:47 PM

Time travel, course correction, paradox, oh my
Pirates and visions and a bright purple sky
It's enough to make anyone feel like they're high
I suddenly am craving a nice choco pie

No "Lost" for a month, I want to go hide
No beans and no scarf or Mr. Bug-Eyed
Our theories are varied, with Mac as our guide
I think that for me, I'll just enjoy the ride.

#265. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 24, 2008 12:51 PM

@51-Vicki I also noticed the Christmas decorations, remember Penny had them up too,when Des called her (Christmas Eve)

@111-JoePike Alex did keep her hand on her stomach AND the camera stayed a little longer than necessary. You go Karl!

One more thought, not to get another "did anybody else notice the picture" thing going but...

Did anybody notice the picture behind Miles head? They seemed to show it a long time & then again when Locke moved, there it was again. I saw somebody mentioned alot of pictures of Alex in the house, but the first thing I thought was it looked like a picture of Miles as a toddler?!?

#266. Posted by: xanadude at March 24, 2008 1:31 PM

If we accept the premise that the island manipulates certain events and individuals, that smacks of Karma (My Name Is Hurley) and balancing the scales. Anyone who dies has completed their tour of duty. And anyone alive must still have work to do.

But this begs the question - what criteria does the island use to determine worthiness (insert Wayne's World joke here)? Are these people who've been dealt a rotten hand? Are these people who've greatly sinned and need to atone? Or are they merely the matchbook by which the cosmic coffee table of fate is leveled?

This show reminds me a lot of the great Foundation series by Isaac Asimov. But with a Stephen King twist.


Q: What did Mikhail say when he was a contestant on Wheel of Fortune?

A: "I'd like to buy an eye."

#267. Posted by: Randy at March 24, 2008 1:41 PM

Another Lost mystery that may have been solved (subtly) is why 40+ passengers survived a plane crash that they should have never survived. It is the same reason that Michael could not kill himself - they had work to do for the island.

#268. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 24, 2008 1:44 PM

“maybe everyone is recovering from march madness ;)”

Or maybe someone is just tired of all the efforts he had to do last weekend to keep global communications up and running.
Sorry, I was on-call and got myself called due to a colleague down with the flu… Oh! Well, Passover it's all about sacrifice, right?


Meg, you didn’t spell the acronym right. How’re we going to remember it that way? :)
It’s CSLMCALUFC, miss nominee. And you’re getting my vote, of course.

A: "I'd like to buy an eye." – hilarious!

Now he’s probably going to need the other one and both hands! LoL

I believe Sayid’s plan is very simple:
He tells Capt. Gault that Michael is the traitor so he can offer his services as a certified torturer.
Michael has yet to explain why the hell Walt had to come around at his tent, only to get Shannon on a pursuit under the rain which ended by getting her shot by Ana Lucia “single-expression” Cortez – way back in Season 2, Episode 6 “Abandoned”.

I go for the whole “still have work to do” theory. Vincent still has to dig up Paulikki’s graves so we can discover that the diamonds aren’t there anymore! Nor the bodies!

#269. Posted by: PreacherOnun at March 24, 2008 1:55 PM

post 269 @preacheronun:
if we are to go with the "they have work to do theory"(which seems like where its heading), my questions is will we EVERY be told WHY these particular people were chosen and HOW were they chosen??

peace & love to all

#270. Posted by: tiffani at March 24, 2008 2:38 PM

Just a thought

In a real assult they send in a recon team in deep cover.

Way back when Naomi first landed and we heard the splash out in the ocean I always thought it was a recon team.

They stay hidden and don't do anything until the actual assault.

They would have the silencers etc. And may be the ones that shot poor CFW & Karl

#271. Posted by: SamFin at March 24, 2008 2:51 PM

Ben must have supernatural powers, right? He's surprised that Michael set off the bomb. That must be because he himself sent the ghost-Libby warning. He lured Michael with the idea of a suicide bomber mission to rescue his friends. But he wants him as a spie, so he planned the Ghost Libby appearance to prevent Michael from actually detonating. The little flag was a back up plan, just in case.
He figured Michael would listen to the innocent woman he accidentily murdered. Hence the surprise.

So is it an imagined Libby or is it really her, somehow working for Ben? Same goes for Charlie, was that Ben as well? Or was that really Charlie, maybe working for someone else? It would seem like a nice twist if Ghost Charlie and Ghost Libby try to win Hurly over to their side, be it Ben's or ...? I just figure Hurly should feature in the 'Duel of the fates'-type climactic final scenes of this show.

#272. Posted by: robislost at March 24, 2008 3:01 PM

@ 270/tiffani

I sure hope so.
There was someone here that said something about the island attracting people who know already about its existence or about something that lead to it, like Hurley’s numbers, or people who has work to do, like Jack removing Ben’s tumor.

Personally, I don’t believe in chance. I do believe that everything that happens in this world is “somehow” perfect. Sometimes we just don’t know the “how”. We end up by realizing how, when we finally connect the dots. Sometimes a few years later.
This is what will happen when we get the whole picture of Lost, in the end. Until then we have to sit back and enjoy the ride. And a hell of a ride it is!

#273. Posted by: PreacherOnun at March 24, 2008 3:14 PM

It was Danny, post #46.

#274. Posted by: PreacherOnun at March 24, 2008 3:15 PM

@264. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man

"I don't think Alex is preggers at all...why? because Karl is such an immense tool that there is no way she'd give it up to him. massive loser!"

Yeah - I want to agree with RNM, though I imagine this is due to my Alex is smoking hot bias.

But as mentioned, Karl did have his hand placed on Alex's buttocks.

While I couldn't see Karl having the balls to make the moves on Alex, I could easily see Alex easily cornering the wimp and forcing him into action.

Or maybe I'm just thinking about Juno?

#275. Posted by: shikotee at March 24, 2008 4:15 PM

lol @200 scooby-dude. anti-dentite

#276. Posted by: xanadude at March 24, 2008 4:36 PM


Just scared the crap outta my little dog (unfortunately, literally), due to my loud outburst of laughter!

#277. Posted by: ealgumby at March 24, 2008 6:03 PM

-262 Robislost
I'm high right now, so it's probably 95% nonsense

Someone finally brought the bong!

I had not read any of the above since Friday, so I'm finally getting caught up.

The Punctuation Panda Police must point out that the word "it's" is NOT possessive. It is (or it's) a contraction for the words "it" and "is". You know who you are. :-)

Now back to our regularly-scheduled blogging.

Do we know how Ben (as Walt) was able to call Michael (as Kevin) on the boat? Whose phone did he use and whose phone did he call?

If the answer is above, I missed it. Too many Peeps on Easter. (Only yellow ones, BTW).

#278. Posted by: lovelost at March 24, 2008 6:07 PM

How is this for random coincidence (or is it)?

No longer able to reach this site from work (due to network firewall Nazis), so was reading the news on CNN during a break, when I found a story about elections today in Bhutan. In the story, the kingdom of Bhutan is referred to as Shangri-La. Now, I thought Shangri-La was a mythical reference to someplace near Kathmandu, Nepal, so did a wiki search on it. The first line of the wiki article is “Shangri-La is a place described in the 1933 novel ‘Lost Horizon’ by British author James Hilton.” Wasn’t familiar with it (and in retrospect, that's a shame), so followed that link.

Now, I’m not going to spend pages going over the plot summary, but aside from the title (“Lost,” duh, and “Horizon,” as in Cauchy?), this story is oh-so-Lost correlated, that I was sure someone here MUST have mentioned it. Someone did; davidrh was the first by my search in “Catch-22,” episode #317, blog entry 327. Some anonymous wise guy (no, definitely not me) brought it up again in the season-ending blog for “Through The Looking Glass” (post #218), but there wasn’t much subsequent discussion.

Anyway, if you haven’t heard of or looked this book/movie up, try a quick search on “Lost Horizon James Hilton” (check the wiki/amazon write-ups), and I think you’ll be surprised by the number of similarities. I realize “Lost” has a lot of literary influences, including “Lord of the Flies” just mentioned a while ago by Vikki/226, and too many others to attempt listing now (try “Literary Works” on Lostpedia). However, I think this book REALLY bears another look, and (surprisingly) does not seem to be mentioned on Lostpedia.

Prompted by meg’s digging, I’ve gone back and reviewed a lot of old posts/theories, and combined with fresh knowledge from the show, I’m rethinking some long-abandoned ideas. A new influence (at least to me) like “Lost Horizon” fits in nicely with this effort. Maybe this is old news to a lot of you (obviously davidrh at least), but to those of you for whom it isn’t, you may be interested to look further.

#279. Posted by: ealgumby at March 24, 2008 7:38 PM

In #279, ealgumby says . . "aside from the title (“Lost,” duh, and “Horizon,” as in Cauchy?), this story is oh-so-Lost correlated, that I was sure someone here MUST have mentioned it. Someone did; davidrh . . . "

And therein lies the advantage of being OLD! . . . ah, Old-ER!

#280. Posted by: davidrh at March 24, 2008 8:45 PM

@Randy 267 - laughed out loud at your WOF fortune reference there. Good one!

And, btw, just in case anyone was wondering (even though I am sure you are probably not), I was actually on Wheel of Fortune this season! Ha! My best friend and I were contestants on (duh) Best Friends Week when it taped at Radio City Music Hall in NYC. It aired in November, and, in case you missed it (I am sure you did...) WE WON! Bonus round and all!

And y'all thought my talents were limited to LOST-blogging ;)

I know that it's off topic, but I couldn't help a little shameless self-promoting...

#281. Posted by: Vikki at March 24, 2008 9:31 PM


That is so cool! Did you win any vacations? What was your bonus puzzle? Did you like Pat and Vanna? Was the set cold?

I was on WWTBAM the first season here in the U.S. (summer of '99), but didn't get past the fastest fingers round and won nothing (we only had FF question in our taping session, and I was correct, but 3rd fastest). It was freezing in the studio (the staff joke was "WWTBA Fridigaire"), and Regis yelled at me for "almost breaking" their POS set ... they used my introductory clip in commercials for series two of the show though, more air-time than I got during the actual episode.

Anyway, this seems like a crowd that could have more than a few game show contestants. Any "Jeopardy" winners out there? How about "Ninja Warrior?" "Cash Cab?"

#282. Posted by: ealgumby at March 24, 2008 10:10 PM

→ 278. lovelost: Punctuation Panda Police

Someone should drop Lynne Truss a line to tell her what her book started!

BTW, the local science museum did a kid-focused exhibit over the weekend that included putting Peeps in a sealed container & sucking the air out of it. The Peeps inflated massively.

→ 279. ealgumby & 280. davidrh: Lost Horizon:

I remember the book has come up several times in various posts both here & over in the Forums. One of the advantages of being an oldster—on the site, anyway!

→ 281. Vikki: Wheel of Fortune:

Whoo hoo! Congrats! Did you have fun? What did you win?

→ 282. ealgumby: Other game shows:

That's cool that you were on WWTBAM! One of my neighbors in that time frame was also on it, but like you she didn't get through the "Fast Finger" round.

I was a one-day winner on Jeopardy! back in 1999. It was really interesting to see what REALLY goes on during taping. Most embarrassing moment: The taping schedule was way behind, so I was nearly running to get backstage & change into a second outfit for the next show's taping. The mike woman was running right behind me & hauled my dress up over my waist to unclip the mini-microphone. The only problem was that we were still in full view of the studio audience. That's why moms always say to be sure to wear clean underwear every day, yes? ; )

#283. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 24, 2008 10:27 PM


Gotta ask ... commando?

#284. Posted by: ealgumby at March 24, 2008 10:40 PM

→ 284. ealgumby: Commando?

Now that would be telling, wouldn't it... ; )

#285. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 24, 2008 10:57 PM

"It was really interesting to see what REALLY goes on during taping."

Exactly ... LIVE it is not ... our taping session for the 30-minute show (later one-hour when it became popular) took 3 hours! Although that was mostly because the guy in the chair when we started was a lawyer who challenged an early answer (and rightly should have been off after five minutes) ... that took a long time (an hour?) to inconclusively research, so they threw it out and gave him another (first one never aired). He got all the way to the $1M question, but decided not to gamble, when someone in the audience yelled out an answer ... then he started arguing with Michael Davies, the producer, that Regis hadn't asked "final answer" yet, and he wanted to take the shouted answer. After another half-hour or so of bickering, Mr. Davies was basically like, "okay you can take the damned answer and lose everything if you want, or shut up and walk away with 500k!" He took the $500,000. Then they retaped the "no thanks Regis, I'm done, final answer" sequence which eventually aired. Right at the end of taping they had all contestants/audience cheer at the tops of our lungs for about ten minutes, for clips to be inserted during the aired show. It was interesting to see how vastly different the aired show was from what went down in the studio.

#286. Posted by: ealgumby at March 24, 2008 11:12 PM

For any of you campers out there...

Peeps are great cooked over the campfire!! The sugar on the outside melts and creates a nice yummy crust.

#287. Posted by: Sharebear at March 25, 2008 1:57 AM

Well . . . I’ve never been on Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy, Regis . . and for that matter, I’ve never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express . . . I’m old enough to have been in Howdy Doody’s Peanut Gallery, but since I grew up on a farm in the middle of Missouri, that opportunity never came to the “corn belt” . .

BUT I did win the Greatest Woman in the World as my wife for 39 years . . . She lets me sleep late on Saturdays when I’m not on the road and she lets me spend money on model trains . . She’s a great cook, a smart college professor, and still hot looking on the 20th anniversary of her fortieth birthday!

Trust me folks, I’ve won the GRAND PRIZE OF THEM ALL!

#288. Posted by: davidrh at March 25, 2008 8:13 AM

davidrh - you are one lucky sumbeech. Now if only she was a professional chef and her father owned a liquor store...

Vikki - Congrats on the major WoF haul. I once guessed the answer before they flipped any letters. The clue was People, and the answer was Green Bay Packers.

Alaïs - Woo hoo! I must admit to having a man-crush on Alex. With the 'stache.

I'm ealgumby dammit - Nice backstory on the Millionaire show.

I passed the entrance tests for Millionaire and Jeopardy but that's as far as I ever got.

Reminds me of the joke about the girl who goes to see her Ob/Gyn. After the exam he tells that everything's fine and asks her if she has any questions. She hems and haws a bit, but he calms her fears by telling her that everything said in the examination room is private and confidential. So she shyly asks him if a girl can get pregnant from ay-en-ay-el ess-ee-ex. The doc reassures her that that is indeed not a stupid question. And that the answer is of course yes, where do you think lawyers come from?

With all apologies to prosecutor67.

#289. Posted by: Randy at March 25, 2008 8:54 AM

@ealgumby, Alais, davidrh, randy, et al...Wheel of Fortune was a HOOT! It was one of the best days of my life. We won a little over 31 G's (nice!) and a trip to Mexico!!!!! We were two very lucky gals...

ealgumby...I have been to a taping of Millionaire too and had the same experience as far as having to cheer like an idiot for ten straight minutes...we saw it when Meridith Viera had already taken over and they had to start retaping an episode because her shirt was the wrong color. I went with my dad after taking "the test" to try to be a contestant, but what they don't tell you is that you have to sit through two tapings before they even tell you who passed the test to move on to be potential contestants (suffice it to say that my father and I did not make it...)

Our WOF experience was in the same vein as far as tapings go...they do the whole Best Friends week in one day, so we got to RCMH at 7:30 AM and didn't tape our episode until 7:30 PM...each episode took about an hour to film and there was lots of down time in between.

Alais and ealgumby...Pat and Vanna were both really nice in person...they wear LOTS of make up though! Pat was quite funny and Vanna was very sincere...The actual set was really cold on goodness, it was AWESOME to be on stage in front of so many people at Radio City. I loved every second of it! Our bonus round puzzle was "Catch a Wave" which is really weird because my best friend's husband owns a surf shop in Babylon, LI, NY...meant to be I guess!

We were on the Friday episode of Best Friends week...if there are any Wheel Watchers in this forum, I think they re-run BF Week in the summer, so keep your eyes peeled...I think our info is still up at the WOF website if anyone is so inclined...

It was a blast! I wish I could do it again!

#290. Posted by: Vikki at March 25, 2008 9:34 AM

I can just see davidrh this morning saying, "Look honey..Look what I wrote on the Lost Blog this morning."

ps - I still love my award dude! Say hey to my girl DarrellAnn....puuurrrrrrrrrrr

#291. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 25, 2008 9:39 AM

→ 286. ealgumby: What really goes on:

During the taping of the first show, there was a problem w/the LED lights (that show a contestant's score) in the returning champion's podium. Taping was stopped at least three times while maintenance came out to try to fix the problem. As someone had goofed & there were no spare bulbs available, "fixing the problem" meant bringing successively larger hammers & whacking the top of the podium to try to either restore the connection or "wake up" the bulb. Eventually they gave up & finished taping the show w/one of the bulbs unusable.

→ 288. davidrh: Paean to your wife:

How very sweet! Can you bottle your ability to appreciate & sell it? I know a LOT of women would like to sprinkle some on their husbands/significant others...

→ 289. Randy: Alex's 'stache:

He looks rather naked w/o the 'stache, I think.

And thanks for the lawyer joke. My brother's a patent lawyer & I thought we had heard all of the lawyer jokes that exist, but evidently not!

#292. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 25, 2008 9:44 AM

@280 davidrh said (re; "Lost Horizon"):

>And therein lies the advantage of being OLD! . . . ah, Old-ER!

Yeah, some of us saw it in its (happy, Lovelost?)original release and thought the parallels too obvious to comment on.

#293. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 25, 2008 10:53 AM

@286 ealgumby mentioned:

>...Right at the end of taping they had all contestants/audience cheer at the tops of our lungs for about ten minutes, for clips to be inserted during the aired show. It was interesting to see how vastly different the aired show was from what went down in the studio.

Interestingly, Jeopardy tapes in near-identical time to what the show actually airs in. They pause at the commercial breaks for that period of time and then start right back up, with hardly ever a stop-tape.

I've been on twice, once with Alex Fleming (but no Don Pardo) right after they brought the network version back on the west coast in 1978, and again with Alex Trebeck after they had moved to syndication.

The west coast network version had a different Final Jeopardy than we are familiar with, with a single contestant vying to get five in a row on a Bingo-like board with categories different in each vertical column, all question of the most difficult level.

I only owned a single suit coat in those days, (still do, for that matter) so when I won my first day they took me though the Burbank studios costume department to try and find something to wear - but my shoulders were too broad, and finally they gave me one of Alex Fleming's spare coats to put on.

On the second time around, I got on the last taping of the day which turned out to be the 1000th syndicated show. We got to attend a party with the crew (carefully kept segregated to avoid any hint of impropriety) which was held on the empty set ot "Soul Train" complete with neon locomotive. Got to meet Merv Griffin, too, who stopped by for the taping.

The most interesting thing about being on Jeopardy was the hours spent in a room with the other contesttants back stage. Anyone who gets accepted for Jeopardy is a very intelligent and - mostly - outgoing person and the discussions were the most interesting part of the experience. Very little gamesmanship going on, just a bunch of excited and interesting people chattering on a wide diversity of topics.

After my first appearance, I think I got on some contestant coordinators' list of 'good game-players', and maybe it got passed around, because I got a number of calls for game try-outs, where they were testing developmental game-shows and needed somebody to test the actual game play, for which they would pay a small fee.

Sometimes these would be with elaborate sets and cameras rolling, and sometimes just sitting around a conference table with crude hand-lettered cardboard tokens and signs. It was a lot of fun, but only one I tested ever actually made it on air - a game-show version of Monopoly. I tried out and was accepted for the on-air version of that, but it folded before they could ever call me.

I got on one other show, "The Challengers" where I actually won more money than on "Jeopardy" (Still not a lot - these were the old days). It was quite a contrast from Jeopardy. I think I got the call from one of those old lists, because I was called and invited to try out before the show had ever even first aired (on the Family Channel).

Now, understand on Jeopardy, you go take a mass multiple choice test along with two or three hundred people, and they grade them immediately, then call out maybe 2-3 percent of the names (5-15 people) to stick around and try out, and everybody else goes home.

If you make it to the try-out stage, they take all your information and say 'go home and wait', and, if we're going to use you we'll call you in within 6 months, if not, try again next year.

I tried out seven years in a row, making the cut every time before I finally got a call-in (this is the syndicated version). Even if they bring you in there's no guarantee you get on the show (thought the chances are pretty good), because they have to call more people than that can use in case of illness or last-minute cold feet - although I never saw a case of the latter.

Even if you get on a taping, you have to wait four-five-six months for the show to air, with fingers crossed because any money you win requires the show to be aired to receive it - pray for no cancellation.

In contrast, on "The Challengers" I got a call on Friday to come try out, was accepted and taped the show on Tuesday, and the show aired on Friday of that same week. Talk about a whirlwind.

And the best thing about being on The Challengers? Getting to meet the host - Dick Clark.

#294. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 25, 2008 11:41 AM

And this has what to do with LOST?

mac must be out of the country since he's not policing this.

#295. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 25, 2008 12:12 PM

I'll step in and be the policewoman...get back to the topic, do you think Cindy has more than one scarf? I watched the first episode yesterday, and she wasn't wearing the scarf on the plane before it crashed. Could the scarf be a manifestation of the island? Or, something we perceive as being there, but isn't? Could Cindy just be dreaming it? Maybe something from her past happened with the scarf?

I am rewatching the whole series, just because I am strange. Gotta watch it while running on the tredmill though, so it may take a while. Weird though, there must be twenty minutes of commercials because each episode takes about forty minutes.

#296. Posted by: meg at March 25, 2008 12:32 PM

Has anyone checked this out? This could explain almost everything:

#297. Posted by: Karen at March 25, 2008 12:32 PM

@ealgumby - sorry to hear about being blocked from your work. I was blocked here too, but I worked at it consistently and found my way around somehow. Keep plugging away at it. Sometimes it blocks me though, and I have to exit out of the browser and open again. Ironic part is that I spend more time trying to get in.

#298. Posted by: meg at March 25, 2008 12:35 PM

How's this RNM?

Answer: This sartorial choice is favored by Oceanic stewardesses and the Red Baron ...

Question: ...

#299. Posted by: mac at March 25, 2008 12:43 PM

wow, it's like mac is always out there....watching

karen - I checked out that I don't understand it, but it sure looks plausible.

#300. Posted by: meg at March 25, 2008 12:46 PM

OMD Clementine, thanks for posting that audio podcast summary in post 166. Now that I've listened myself, it was nice to hear that Cuse/Lindelof were as baffled as I was about people not believing who the O6 were...particularly that certain young character and particularly after it was revealed that Jin is NOT a sixer...they thought it would be crystal clear after that.

Someone mentioned that the ABC Lost promo after the episode (you know, the one that showed pics of the O6) wasn't 'canon', but LindelCuse did mention that they were contacted about the content of that commercial and said they don't have to come right out and list the 6 since ABC did it for them. That is total confirmation for me.

I've been reluctant to bring up the whole Aaron thing again since it appears to have been put to bed and we've moved on to 'game-showier' things. Apparently the dissenters have accepted the fact that turnip-head did make the cut. All I can say is...I got lucky on this one, and will be reluctant to bet on edible head-apparel again.

Thank you Shikotee, for your remarks in #169. ("This chapeau tastes salty and bitter! I totally should have bought a chocolate one!
Great Kudos to monsieur Pike, who was at the table several times with fork and knife in hand....
I'll get you next time Gadget.... Next Time!")

I have no doubt you will!

Can I have my cookie now ILBLxoxo?

#301. Posted by: JoePike at March 25, 2008 12:50 PM

Fun to read about all the game show experiences.

I was a contestant on a trial game show (or whatever they called it) a very long time ago. It was the predecessor of Card Sharks (don't look it up...I already said it was a very long time ago). My prize? I married the host. However, I also divorced him 9 years later. So maybe I was the big winner after all. ;-)

#302. Posted by: lovelost at March 25, 2008 12:50 PM

And this has what to do with LOST?
→ 295. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man

I didn't see your comment til after I posted #302. Sorry. I do agree that we need to get back on track.

But it DID all start with Mikhail buying an eye! Obviously it's going to be a long wait til the next episode. Maybe it’s time for another LOST CAPTION contest. Vacc?

#303. Posted by: lovelost at March 25, 2008 1:03 PM

@lovelost - I always thought you were a guy! Wow, that's weird. (or maybe you are, depending on what state you are in)

#304. Posted by: meg at March 25, 2008 1:07 PM

@mac - LOL....well played sir

#305. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 25, 2008 1:31 PM

Apologies for letting the game show topic loose in the forum...I certainly meant no offense...Just thought I would toss in an odd topic to chew on during the weeks we wait....I guess sometimes a scarf is just a scarf ;)

#306. Posted by: Vikki at March 25, 2008 1:58 PM

@Vikki: No worries. I like tangents, especially those that inspire good conversations.

#307. Posted by: mac at March 25, 2008 2:04 PM

I still have all kinds of other Lost-related questions/thoughts/topics. I'll start with the short one:

Where's Walt?
Tom tells Michael he "lost" Walt. Does that mean Tom doesn't know that Michael knows where Walt is off the island or was he referring to Michael losing Walt at the end of season 1?

#308. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 2:07 PM

@Scooby Dude - I believe that means that Walt is now living with his grandmom. Michael no longer has him physically, and mentally Walt doesn't want anything to do with him.

#309. Posted by: meg at March 25, 2008 2:16 PM

217 - Meg:
"I was just looking back to some of the posts from season 1 and 2. Vikki and JoePike have been around a while!"

Well, not as long as some, but time does fly. My first post wasn't actually until episode 11 of Season 2 (Hunting Party). I got into Lost late upon recommendation of a friend, voraciously watched all of Season 1 on DVD, then watch the first part of Season 2 on until I got caught up and could finally add to the comments here. A glorious day.

It was really great watching those episodes from Seasons 1 & 2 back to back and reading Mac's reviews in between each episode I watched. This site really helped me get hooked on Lost...particularly Mac's style. Case in point from Season 1, Episode 22 (Born to Run) - Mac's Point 5:

"Shannon's target practice on Locke has not led to ostracism. She's seen briefly in this episode during Kate's beach revelation scene. Too bad. I was hoping she'd wander into the jungle and pull a Col. Kurtz. Just think of the possibilities: In season five, the presumed-dead Shannon is revealed to be an insane jungle leader who rules over the native population with an iron fist. "These aren't Prada! I demand Prada! Off with your manhood!"

Classic stuff.

Incidentally...this was episode 22. Which means late in the season. And there were only 11 comments to Mac's review. ELEVEN. How far we have come! Here were the commenter-names, which I find quite entertaining:
JP, El Payo, Bill Farrell, pATRICK, PeanutButter, Rob, Ash, itsiph, and of course, Mac. Any of you still lurking out there???

One more thing. Where oh where is "KatePlusSun=Fun"? That was my favorite commenter-name from backintheday. Haven't seen it in quite a while. Still lurking? Had a name-change? Just wondering, as you used to be an extremely prolific poster.

#310. Posted by: JoePike at March 25, 2008 2:17 PM

@Meg - I was just wondering whether Tom knows Walt is with his grandma.

Karl, RIP:
After seeing what Ben did to Goodwin two weeks ago, we all should have seen it coming that Karl was going to get killed last week. I think Ben gave him the evil bug-eye a few episodes back as well.

#311. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 2:25 PM

@lovelost - I always thought you were a guy! Wow, that's weird. (or maybe you are, depending on what state you are in)
→ 304. Posted by: meg

Definitely female, regardless of what state I'm in. Which is usually confusion. But not confusion about being female.

#312. Posted by: lovelost at March 25, 2008 2:26 PM

Ben as the Prince:

When Ben said he wouldn't kill innocent people in his war, it gave me a slightly different angle on him. If this is a war, then he is like Machiavelli. From wiki:

Machiavelli was born into a tumultuous era...a time of constantly shifting alliances...

In the Prince, he describes the arts by which a ruler can retain control of his realm...He does not dispense entirely with morality nor advocate wholesale selfishness or degeneracy. Instead he outlines his definition of, for example, the criteria for acceptable cruel actions (it must be swift, effective, and short-lived). Machiavelli also does not miss the irony in the fact that good can come from evil actions.

Hmmm, sound like someone we know?

#313. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 2:28 PM

All right, one more thing and then I'll shut up. This was the last paragraph of my very first post ever from Season 2, Jan. 20th 2006:

"- I really hope this show eventually leads to some solid answers/conclusions. Whether it lasts 2 more years or 10 more, I hope all of the loose ends and connections are tied up or explained. We'll all feel robbed if not! Sometimes I wish that the writers knew exactly how much longer the show was going to last so they could gear their writing toward the necessary conclusions in a certain amount of time. Then again, I never want it to end either!"

Just goes to show that the Lost producers/writers don't read this blog for ideas & inspiration. They come here specifically to read MY comments!


#314. Posted by: JoePike at March 25, 2008 2:32 PM

I apologize also for getting this discussion off topic ("Stay on target...stay on target...") That was my Patchy/WoF throw-away joke. But I s'pose this off-topic joke was better than the other off-topic joke. Much more G-rated too. Some things are just not suitable for younger and more sensitive readers (read: ILBLxxx). I should know better. A pox upon me for a clumsy lout.

Anywaist, I went back and looked to when I could find my first post (Ep 3-2), and stupid me, the break was so long I forgot I used to post under another moniker.

I've sent this blog off-topic before. Anyone recall the "penultimate" debate?

Em-Oh-Oh-En that spells ransomjackson.

Dunno why, but I just remembered the scene where Sayid was playing golf with this soon-to-be whackee where I noticed that both of them had their watches on the "wrong" wrist. Being left-handed, I'm very sensitive to noticing that kind of thing. Weeks after the fact (in true man fashion).

Karen - I agree w/ Meg/MIF...that site is very interesting. Maybe if the writer of that blog spent more time in school and less time thinking about a TV show I'd have my flying car by now.

#315. Posted by: Randy aka ransomjackson at March 25, 2008 2:37 PM

Michael's Watch:

So I'm still confused about Michael's watch. I thought he gave the one on the island back to Jin. Did Jin give it back to him? I don't remember that. If not, did he get it from Mr. Paik? (Michael says the guy who gave it to him was Korean.) By the way, Mr. Paik delivers watches to people in Sidney and LA.

For conspiracy theorists:
Tom, when he first sees Michael off-island: "Hey Michael, you got the time?"


Pen is short for Penny, Widmore's daughter.

It all fits together now. They're ALL in cahoots!

Didn't KatePlusSun get voted off the island and choose a newer, less controversial name?

#316. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 2:46 PM

Randy = ransomjackson.....NICE...good to see ya!

re: Tom tells Michael he lost Walt?
--that obviously means Walt is now gay (NTTAWWI)

@ mac: I agree that people will start getting maybe at the end of this week or beginning of next you could open up another 'random comments' thread like we did a while back. Of course wait till I stamp this one with RNMiL. Ya know, cause I friggin earned it!

#317. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 25, 2008 2:48 PM

@316. Posted by: Scooby-Dude

Jin gave the watch back to Michael.
A peace offering - Jin did beat the tar out of Michael (when he thought Mike had stolen the watch).

#318. Posted by: shikotee at March 25, 2008 2:55 PM

@ 315 Randy

Love the "Em-Oh-Oh-En" homage to SK's "The Stand." Thought I'd fall off my chair lmao.

Seriously, read the whole blog @297 above and everything seemed to fall into place, at least as far as what's going on with the island is concerned. Maybe it's just me . . .

#319. Posted by: Karen at March 25, 2008 2:55 PM

Don't know if anyone mentioned this (or if anyones still reading for that matter), but check out the closeup of Kevin Johnson's passport.
You can see the issue date is 00 Jul 99. Huh? July 0th? Expiration date is 01 Jul 09, which is fine, but i don't get the other. Also, check out the passport number. HNSO12153. HNSO? HaNSO? Probably nothing more than for amusement purposes.

Regarding the timeline issues:
I don't really see much of a problem. Michael leaves with Walt at the end of season 2, the 2 month point. People seem to agree this is Day 67 (November 28th). Fine. A couple days on the boat to find rescue, then a couple more to get to an airport, and another day to get to NYC. So we're at Day 72 (December 3rd). Michael has "Lost" Walt again (via his confession to the murders) and has left him with Grandma. A couple of days of mental agony and he's ready to off himself, Day 74 (December 5th). Three days of recovery from the accident and we're at Day 77 (December 8th). That night, he gets rejected when he goes to see Walt and then tries to shoot himself in the alley when is interrupted by Tom. And later that night, after learning that he really can't die yet (gun doesn't fire and then interrupted by newscast), he agrees to go under cover on the Freighter. This leaves two days for Tom to get back to the island for "Par Avion" according the the Tom Tracker posted by Clementine in Post #4 way way way way way up there. And also time for "Kevin" to get to Fiji to board the Freighter. So, it's a tight fit, but I think it works.
The next 4 Thursdays are going to be rough!

#320. Posted by: bees at March 25, 2008 3:22 PM

I think everything BY NOT giving us "answers" before leads to all the conspiracy theories. I thing WE ARE getting so answers now, so let it flow.

Shot does not mean dead, I know-- and then the healing properties.

Michael probably found two plane tickets and cash on the boat (with a warning not to tell or he would be turned in for murder) and was given some covert assistance in getting back to New York. No ID, whatever. He landed in Fiji (or an island with outside access), simply parked and was probably amazed how easy it was to get back. He got some help and was followed by Ben's crackpot CIA type of organization. Ben maybe didn't plan on "recruiting" Michal this early, but things just went in that direction for whatever reasons.

We will not get all the answers. Some we'll just have to come up with some of these "logical" possibilities, or we will all just go crazy.

Bus Said (Bud Smith) etc.

#321. Posted by: Bus Said at March 25, 2008 3:33 PM

I think I've changed names two different time. Funny thing is, I can't remember what it was the first time. The second time it was Raider. Anyway, This month is going to be long. I expect the topics to vary widely.

Namaste and NOIS

#322. Posted by: Not an Other at March 25, 2008 4:12 PM

Always been Vikki in here, mainly because I could never come up with a celver moniker...and okay, joepike, maybe I haven't been here since exactly day one but pretty long...I definitely think you beat me out ;)

#323. Posted by: Vikki at March 25, 2008 4:23 PM

im STILL laughing at tom being gay. i totally called that one as soon as he said to kate "your not my type."

has anyone else heard of these bands that sing about lost?? some of them are actually pretty good.

#324. Posted by: kaseygirl106 at March 25, 2008 4:38 PM

@shikotee re: Michael's watch.
Thanks, brotha. See you in another life (my favorite all-time Lost line).

Good catch on the passport date screwup. Proof that the production crew isn't perfect and the cell phones in the FF/FB...I know, it's like beating Kate's dead horse. Never mind. Scarf. Ha.

Remember back in the old days when Jack first encountered Desmond in the hatch, when we were so naive, when Kate plus Sun WAS fun.

Little did we know then that Widmore pulled a Ben move and purposefully sent Des to Penny's house in The Constant in order to alienate them from one another in order to later convince Des to go on the race around the world in order to find the island in order for he and Penny to later find each other in order for Widmore to find the island.

And while I'm making up theories here, what if Ben kidnapped Des (by convincing him to stay in the hatch) because he knew about his connection to Widmore and wanted to keep him away from finding Penny. They just didn't show the scene in the hatch where Kelvin was IMing with Ben and Ben figured out Desmond's connection with Widmore and tried to keep him under his control.

And if Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened.

#325. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 4:43 PM

@ Scooby-Dude/#325 said: "Little did we know then that Widmore pulled a Ben move and purposefully sent Des to Penny's house in The Constant in *order* to alienate them from one another in *order* to later convince Des to go on the race around the world in *order* to find the island in *order* for he and Penny to later find each other in *order* for Widmore to find the island."

--Could you please repeat your order?

#326. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 25, 2008 4:52 PM

"sorry to hear about being blocked from your work. I was blocked here too, but I worked at it consistently and found my way around somehow."

I was able to get around our corporate ban on IM for awhile by logging into MSN passport first, and then connecting ... got a very-nasty-gram then for "hacking" the blockade, so haven't been too persistent about trying to bypass system security this time around. Props to you though ...

#327. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 5:08 PM

Following up on my comment from a few days ago about Widmore:

Watch for Jack to hook up with Widmore in a future future flash to get back to the island and have a final showdown with Locke (Man of Faith).

I do wonder if Widmore is a man of science and Ben a man of faith. The men of science (Widmore, Jack) will want the rest of the world to have access to the island while the Men of Faith (Ben, Locke) think the island's powers are best kept in the control of the "good guys."

#328. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 5:14 PM

I'll have some lima beans with a side of shoots, and leaves with a choco hat for dessert.

#329. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 25, 2008 5:18 PM

Thailand grave robberies? Do they have cemetaries in Thailand? I was under the impression that Thais are cremated, like in many Asian cultures. Something about that story just didn't click for me. I think that Ben is behind the fake crash mostly to keep people away from the island.

Ben made one interesting remark to Michael though about how (killing two people) he did what a good dad does to protect his son. Ben made it clear, it was completely unlike Ben's dad.

#330. Posted by: boharpe at March 25, 2008 5:33 PM

Looking over the old posts, I think we’ve been distracted from the “real” issues by the whole O6 thing, ala three-card Monte ... I relish how the interpersonal relationships are evolving on the show, but think some of the more fundamental issues raised previously have been shelved, and wonder how these will (hopefully/probably) be resolved in the end ... maybe some of the "current" questions/answers will flow if we go back and address some older issues. In pursuit of a new theory, I pose to the blog some of the following unanswered Lost questions (maybe a fresh look/time will provide some insights?):

What’s up with the four-toed statue (Charlotte-related)?
Who are Adam and Eve (time-travel related[?])?
What are the white/black stones (related)?
Who is Jacob (also, time-travel related[?])?
What’s up with the kitty litter?
Who is Richard Alpert (yadda yadda yadda time-travel)?
What is the “purple sky” (physics-related)?
What’s up with the 108 minutes (physics-related[?])?
What is the monster (physics-related[?])?
What is the “sonic shield” and how does it stop Smokey (yyy, physics)?
Why was Dharma there in the first place?
What’s up with the polar bears (yyy, CharlotteDharma)?
How have Rose/Locke been healed?
How did the Black Rock/Yemi get there?
How does Widmore “know” about the island?

If you have more conundrums, please add to the list ... answers please!

#331. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 5:53 PM


Off subject ... Packer fan, or just lucky guess? I have my one share of GBP stock proudly displayed ... hail to the only publicly-owned team!

#332. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 6:14 PM

On the topic of sports (sorry RNM) ...

Hey davidrh, I'll betcha Nova beats KU! ...

Uh, um, well, the loser can't criticize the winner's theories for at least ten ... no TWENTY, posts ... how's that? :)

#333. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 6:24 PM

-320 Bees wrote: You can see the issue date is 00 Jul 99. Huh? July 0th? Expiration date is 01 Jul 09, which is fine
It really isn't fine. A passport always expires one day before the issue day. In order for a passport to expire on 01 July, it must be issued on 02 July. Could the 00 be a simple typo?? (Note to self: nothing in LOST is simple.)

Also, in the interest of accuracy, the passport should include "USA" above the photo. And I have never seen a passport number preceded by letters. The HNSO seems to be a handy and more-than-obvious reference.

Save the date!
Kevin Johnson's birthday is July 8.
Another excuse to celebrate.

#334. Posted by: lovelost at March 25, 2008 6:30 PM


"The HNSO seems to be a handy and more-than-obvious reference."

Ben's secret-hide-away passports (at least the Swiss one shown close-up) also had the HNSO number, but was/were at least dated correctly! (and my Jin cars/phone theory dissolves further ...)

- Erik

#335. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 6:44 PM

→ 294. Cecil Rose: Game show experiences:

Wow, CR, you got around! Thanks for sharing.

→ 299. mac: What is a SCARF!

Ha ha! 'bout this one: This bamboo-eating mammal had a bit role as a kidnappee by taxi, but MOONlights as a grammatical guru.

M-O-O-N spells bad joke...& apologies for contributing to the non-LOST discussion. And mac, thanks for deleting my double post—how embarrassing to not have mastered the "post around" technique! ; )

→ 302. & 312. lovelost: State of marriage & state of confusion:

I find those two states to be equivalent. ; )

→ 331. ealgumby: LOST questions:

*What's Libby's story? Was she really a plant by Widmore?
*Was Cindy part of the Others all along?
*What happened to Isabel the Other Sheriff?
*Was Richard Malkin a real psychic or just a con? If he was a con, who was behind him getting Claire to get on the flight to LA?
*What, really, is Vincent? Is he special like Walt?
*How did Greta & Bonnie get food/supplies down to the Looking Glass w/o any of the Others knowing about it?
*Why did Jack steal the pouch w/the black & white stones from Adam & Eve's bodies?
*Was there any real reason to have the episode showing Jack getting his tattoos?
*What happened to Radzinsky to cause him to commit suicide (if indeed he did & Kelvin didn't off him)?
*Why did the Others don those hillbilly disguises?
*What brand of eyeliner does Richard Alpert wear? Because it sure lasts & lasts...

#336. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 25, 2008 6:51 PM

Found this on MSN while surfing and doing nothin' else productive under "Why do fewer powerful public women fall?" ...

Catherine the Great was a woman with an extravagant, exacting sexual appetite. During the 34 years of her reign, she had a host of young, well-trained lovers—many of them soldiers—who were paid handsomely for sating her, and were often rewarded with plum positions on her court, or gifts of property or scarves.

Oh, no no no, that's supposed to be "serfs" not "scarves!"

#337. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 6:53 PM

"*What, really, is Vincent? Is he special like Walt?"

Many others have posed this question, and can't help but wonder. How do we REALLY know Vincent survived the crash? Because he came up to Jack in Ep 1 and has been around (very off and on) since? What about Christian, or Kate's horse (or all the other "apparitions")? Maybe he seems to have metaphysical abilities, because "he" is?

#338. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 7:17 PM

→ 338. ealgumby: Regarding Vincent:

I went back up to Clementine's post (#166) to see if Damon & Carleton had addressed Vincent in the most recent podcast, but I didn't see Vincent mentioned anywhere. What was interesting (& possibly Vincent-related) was the list of "Undead" characters: Christian, Yemi, & Kate's Horse. Why two people & a horse? Does Vincent belong in the Undead category?

And I have to ask, ealgumby, did you attend Ohio U. in the mid-1990s?

#339. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 25, 2008 7:35 PM

*Was there any real reason to have the episode showing Jack getting his tattoos?
*What brand of eyeliner does Richard Alpert wear? Because it sure lasts & lasts...
→ 336. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought

Jack had a fling with the Chinese chick who supposedly had a gift for seeing who/what people “are” and then created an appropriate tattoo. She told Jack he is a great leader, but lonely and angry. (Uh, we kinda like knew that forever ago.) But to her gangland friends, it meant “he walks among us, but he is not one of us”. Does that scenario matter to us now? It WAS in China, after all. So maybe there was a panda lurking somewhere.

Speaking of tattoos on LOST: Who else has them? Captain Gault and Naomi (both seen in the last ep). Charlie.

And I have to add Alpert. I think his eye-liner is permanent - as is my own, which is applied much like a tattoo, but must be touched up every year or so. (I opted for "liner light” vs Alpert’s ultra-heavy preference.) He probably has it done at the same salon where Alex gets her makeup, and where the rest of them get haircuts. However, if he is indeed immortal, he doesn’t need touchups.

#340. Posted by: lovelost at March 25, 2008 7:45 PM

@337 & @339

Speaking of Catherine the Great and Kate's horse, what was that urban legend regarding her death?

#341. Posted by: shikotee at March 25, 2008 7:53 PM

Hey davidrh, I'll betcha Nova beats KU!
→ 333. Posted by: ealgumby

Granted. It will be a toughie. But I shall not waver in my fervor for the Blue and Red.

I mean, like that would be as bad as giving up on Mike Huckabee for President . .

o wait.


#342. Posted by: davidrh at March 25, 2008 7:53 PM

"I have to ask, ealgumby, did you attend Ohio U. in the mid-1990s?"

No, I attended the USAFA in the mid-80s, although I'm told I look like I "could" have attended any U in the mid-90s ... yes, I was the Karl dork who didn't physically (otherwise?) mature until ten years after school, but not bitchin' about it now ... not to toot my own horn (okay, yes I am), but still regularly get hit on by college girls ... all you Karl haters out there might think twice ... maybe Alex just sees "potential."

#343. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 7:53 PM

Speaking of Catherine the Great and Kate's horse, what was that urban legend regarding her death?
→ 341. Posted by: shikotee

Supposedly crushed while trying to have intercourse with a horse . . .

Unverified. The horse lawyered up and refused to make a statement.

#344. Posted by: davidrh at March 25, 2008 7:55 PM

I think #46 by Danny is on to something:

>"remind me of one of my early theories about Lost: that the Island, either by accident or design, occupies a region of space with stronger laws of information (c.f. Bertrand Russell's Philosophy of Logical Atomism). ***Posted November 7th 2006*** In his book Schild's Ladder, Greg Egan describes a group of scientists (far in the future), who accidentally create a 'vacuum' in space, the physical rules of which are stronger than those of a normal vacuum."

We know the show creators have promised a "logical" explanation. And we now know this is going to turn out to be some form of psuedo-science. So, look up Synchronicity and the Swiss psychologist Carl Gustav Jung (try Wikipedia).

See also this 1972 book:
The Roots of Coincidence, written by Arthur Koestler, is an accessible introduction to theories of parapsychology, including extra-sensory perception and psychokinesis. It postulates links between elements of quantum mechanics, such as the behaviour of neutrinos and their interaction with time, and these paranormal phenomena. It is influenced by Carl Jung's concept of synchronicity.

This is just the kind of source "science" we can expect to compose the Lost Universe... Maybe someone familiar with these concepts could give us a summary?

#345. Posted by: kethd at March 25, 2008 8:01 PM


Kate's horse, being a gelding, couldn't do much but bludgeon her to death!

#346. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 8:05 PM

Regarding Vincent questions:

Someone refresh my memory: why was Vincent on the plane in the first place? Did he have his own seat? Was he wearing a seat belt? Or Cindy's scarf? Was he in the cargo hold? If he was in cargo, he should have been crated.

More questions than answers, as usual.

#347. Posted by: lovelost at March 25, 2008 8:05 PM


Yes, the references to epistemology, many and far between, most notably David (Desmond) Hume ... and science/physics (Hawking, Kerr, et al) ... given the random prop/continuity error, it's easy to give the writers crap (and God knows, I have!), but by and large, they have tried to stick to "recognized" principles ... whether they really make "sense" or not is another matter, but I have given into the philosophy that, so long as they are consistent within the show, I'll go along (ala Star Trek, Star Wars, et al) ...

#348. Posted by: ealgumby at March 25, 2008 8:18 PM

@Alaïs #339: re the Undead
The writers said Yemi was the monster, and also included him in the Undead list. My guess was the monster possessed the unburied bodies of Yemi and Christian Shephard temporarily for its own purpose. But that doesn't explain Kate's horse. As far as we know, old Trigger was last seen in Tallahassee when Kate was running from the Marshall. Unless he arrived on the island via Ben's black box. Did anyone check the Dharma van for a trailer hitch? I'd love to see Mr. Eyeliner arrive at the temple on horseback :)

@lovelost #340: Jack got his tattoos in Phuket, Thailand. Although they do include Chinese characters. I really disliked that creepy girl Achara. Watching that episode, I thought we were in for a "Crying Game" reveal at the end. Maybe there is more of the story to be told in Thailand?

Who else has tattoos? Don't forget Keamy, the freighter giant.


Randy is ransomjackson??!!

Dude, did anyone tell you? You won Mac's Lost Blog Fantasy Football!!!

NOT :))))

#349. Posted by: Clementine at March 25, 2008 8:33 PM

@lovelost #347: re Vincent's backstory
Michael went to retrieve Walt in Australia after his mom's death. Vincent belonged to Walt's stepdad. The stepdad was too cowardly to tell Walt he was giving him away to the father he had never met, so he left Michael to break the news. To make Walt feel better, Michael lied and said the stepdad wanted Walt to have Vincent.

I think Vincent would have been traveling in the cargo hold, but his crate must have landed with magical softness and sprung open to deposit Vincent safely in the jungle :)

Kinda like Christian's coffin!

#350. Posted by: Clementine at March 25, 2008 8:57 PM

@ealgumby said...

"Off subject ... Packer fan, or just lucky guess? I have my one share of GBP stock proudly displayed ... hail to the only publicly-owned team!"

As the saying goes...My two favorite teams are the Bears and whoever's playing the Pack. Still was hard to watch Favre's last game. Kinda bittersweet...enjoyable at the time, but not so much now. I spent a week in Green Bay one day.

Cripes I forgot all about the MLBFFL...who won? Clem? RNM? Guess I really dropped the ball (Favre pun intended) on that one.

Getting back on topic ("Red five going in..."), I truly and genuinely enjoy reading all these scientific-y theories about this show. There are a lot of folks out there much more smarter than me. But I can't help but think we're over-thinking all of this.

I just can't imagine Cuse & Co. going into a network exec's office spouting physics and philosophy and time-travel yadda yadda and the exec saying yeah that's cool.

These guys are looking for jiggle shows. After all, most of these guys are guys, and most of us never really mature past the age of eleven.

There's just not that many "smart" shows out there like House (thank you Cecil Rose for your blog). For God's sake, American Idol? Alright, that's on Fox, but you know what I mean. We're missing something. There's a piece of this puzzle that we just haven't glommed onto. The lowest common denominator, Occam's Razor and all that.

Originality in Hollywood? Good Lord I'd like to think so, but "...I have a bad feeling about this..."

#351. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 25, 2008 9:24 PM

Can anyone get a clear image of Libby's badge when she's standing at the foot of Michael's bed? I don't recall ever hearing a last name for her.

#352. Posted by: pebsgonepostal at March 26, 2008 12:03 AM

Holy Smokey! Packer fans, Badger Fans, Warrior fans, mentions of patent attorneys , going to college in the mid-90's, Favre disses, Jeopardy...I feel like this blog is flashing a white light in my eyes and reading my mind.

@ransonjackson - I'm with you on this not being the typical Hollywood show. In fact, this is the only live action show I can tolerate on TV. (As an aside I enjoy Family Guy, The Simpsons and South Park for their satire and social commentary.)

Perhaps Vincent is dead and is doing the bidding of the Island like Christian, Chaz Pace, Harper, and Jacob. But his is not "stuck in time" like Jacob?

#353. Posted by: Thundarr The Barbarian at March 26, 2008 9:51 AM

@347 lovelost asked:

>Regarding Vincent questions:

>Someone refresh my memory: why was Vincent on the plane in the first place?

Walt's mother married someone other than Michael, the moved to Europ with him (requiring legal action), then Australia, then died. Stepfather was creeped out by Walt anc asked Michael to come get him. Michael agreed to take vincent, too, so Walt would have something familiar in his life.

>Did he have his own seat?

In the hold.

>Was he wearing a seat belt?


>Or Cindy's scarf?

Cincy was still wearing Cindy's scarf at the time, and batting eyes at unattended doctors.

>Was he in the cargo hold?


>If he was in cargo, he should have been crated.


Was lost for a while after crash, and (as the mobisode showed) taking orders from dead Daddies to wake up unconscious doctors with work to do.

Jack mentioned having seen Vincent, Walt and Michael searched, but Locke eventually found him, only to graciously allow Michael to take the credit for returning him to Walt.

#354. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 26, 2008 10:36 AM

Re: Vincent

Sometimes a dog is just a dog.

Animals can probably 'see' things we simple humans can't (ghosts, dream figures, apparitions, the undead, invisible whispering voices, Smokey, the immobilized-but-not-yet-dead (N&P), Cindy's Scarf...), especially in fictional TV shows.

But sometimes a dog is just a dog.

Sorry dudes, I just don't think Alex is that attractive. Obviously I'm the only one! But since I do think Claire is very attractive, and she is the polar opposite of Alex, it makes sense. But on the hotness scale- I'd put Claire, Shannon, Nikki, Kate, Juliet, Sun, & Naomi before Alex.

While I think the writers & producers of Lost respect the intelligence of their audience, I also think the major island revelations to come are going to have to be less uber-scientific and confusing than some theories that have been mentioned here lately.

#355. Posted by: JoePike at March 26, 2008 10:56 AM

As someone way up top mentioned, Alex really grew up in the last show. In my book she is firmly ahead of Claire, Shannon, Nikki, Kate, Sun, & Naomi. She is on par with Juliet, Libby and the two ladies from the Looking Glass - whom I count as 1 for fantasy purposes ;)

@cecil rose - since you appear to have much knowledge about airplanes, where would the cargo hold be located on Oceanic 815? Would it be near the cockpit, placing Vincent on the island interior; would it be in the mid-section, placing him on the beach; or would it be in the tail section placing Vincent in his kennel out in the bay?

#356. Posted by: Thundarr The Barbarian at March 26, 2008 11:08 AM

re: 331 post What is the monster (physics-related[?])?


"No, it's not really a smoke monster. Instead, mirror matter theory offers an explanation. Foot proposes a way for the two types of matter to interact... "kinetic mixing" via the exchange of photons: "If there is a photon-mirror photon transition force, then now an ordinary electron can actually interact with a mirror electron. ... The net effect of the transition force is to make mirror electrons interact slightly with ordinary electrons." Let's spin this to imply that light (photons) will facilitate interaction between matter and mirror matter. This will be strongest when photons in our world are present (and overlapping with) the photons present on the island. But the moon is deep within the earth—rarely even approaching its surface.

What would produce light at that depth in the ocean (or underground in Africa)? Answer: Bioluminescent sea creatures, mining equipment in African mines, and subs and little robots like the ones Naomi mentioned. The point: The smoke is light from our world "kinetically mixing" with photons on the island. The smoke always takes the shape of clouds of light: faded at the edges and often drifting — just like what happens when a current pushes ocean debris through the light emitted from subs and deep sea robots."

This blog also answers these questions from #331

What’s up with the four-toed statue (Charlotte-related)?
What are the white/black stones (related)?
What’s up with the polar bears (yyy, CharlotteDharma)?
How did the Black Rock/Yemi get there?

It may answer other questions listed but probably went over my head--LOL

#357. Posted by: mirrormattermoon believer at March 26, 2008 11:11 AM

the next best thing to having tatooed eyeliner is the brand maybelline. LOVE IT!! and never leave home with out it. ;)

#358. Posted by: tiffani at March 26, 2008 12:30 PM

@231--meg Wow--my first posting...vampires in purgatory? I'm sure it must have made some sense in context! Wonder what the heck I was talking about...

Still trying to plow through all these posts...

Proud to report that I am the owner of the Adventures of Brisco County Jr. dvd set. How exciting to watch the first episode and see Tom Friendly playing a member of the John Bly gang! And on a show co created by Carlton Cuse! So I think the secret to the island is a big golden orb. That's my new theory and I'm sticking with it! If only Bruce Campbell could be worked into Lost. He would have made a great Captain Gault...

#359. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 26, 2008 1:07 PM

re: 358

Nor I.

#360. Posted by: SweetBruce from Tallahoma at March 26, 2008 1:09 PM

Best Line: "Uh, we kinda like knew that forever ago."

This sums up how I felt about this episode. Nothing but filler.

#361. Posted by: gables79 at March 26, 2008 1:28 PM

First? Oh, sorry, I must be in a FF.

#362. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 26, 2008 1:54 PM

→ 340. lovelost, 358. tiffani, 360. SweetBruce: Re Richard's eyeliner:

So he either visited the tattoo chick in Thailand for permanent eyeliner, or he's a new version of Maybelline's tag line: "Maybe he's born with it...maybe it's Maybelline."

→ 346. ealgumby: Kate's horse is a gelding:

I didn't realize we had gotten a good enough look at the underside of the horse to tell. Or perhaps you're the resident blog specialist in sexing horses?

→ 349. Clementine: Richard on horseback:

Now that image should appear on the cover of a Jude Devereaux novel!

#363. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 26, 2008 2:00 PM

richard alpert represents for the metro sexual male. ;)

#364. Posted by: tiffani at March 26, 2008 2:24 PM

@331 LOST question to be answered:
At the very beginning, did the show's creators have already written a beginning, middle and ending to the show that explains what happens to all the characters?

@ 345. Posted by: kethd
The island being a "space vacuum" that defies physics, natural properties or laws of death on the island is one thing; but it does not logically follow off-island when Michael is in NYC wrecking cars and attempting suicide.

#365. Posted by: welh at March 26, 2008 3:26 PM

Ultimate LOST question to be answered:

When the show is over, what will mac do with all of his newfound free time?

#366. Posted by: welh at March 26, 2008 3:28 PM


@ 231: Just a comment on CrispySeaplanes post regarding Bruce Campbell... yes, he is great and would be a great addition to the cast in some way... for any non-believers out there (Naysayers, if you will) check out EVIL DEAD 2... you won't regret it!


#367. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 26, 2008 3:28 PM

My favorite stories/fiction on this blog were the ones someone made up about Smoky, and used the names of us bloggers (not me as far as I can recall). I think there were 2 or 3 parts, I'm not sure. Who wrote those hilarious stories, and is it possible that someone could repeat them here for everyone to enjoy?

Cheers to all.

#368. Posted by: Smitty at March 26, 2008 3:54 PM

@ Mr_Naysayer: I just gave 'Army of Darkness' to one of my co-workers to watch. That is one of my favorite movies of all time!! I gave it to him cause I want to trump his 'favorite movie'....Troll 2...which I will never watch (not cause I haven't seen Troll 1 though.)

#369. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 26, 2008 4:04 PM

@356 Thundarr asked:

>@cecil rose - since you appear to have much knowledge about airplanes, where would the cargo hold be located on Oceanic 815? Would it be near the cockpit, placing Vincent on the island interior; would it be in the mid-section, placing him on the beach; or would it be in the tail section placing Vincent in his kennel out in the bay?

You can argue that since he came down close to the beach Losties, he must have been in the mid-cargo section.

Trying to discover where the cargo hold for Oceanic 815 is requires, first, an assumption about what kind of airplane O-815 was. The wreckage scattered about the beach by Bad Robot productions was a dismantled Lockheed L-10ll Tri Star, though with some fantasy options, such as engines that run inverted and with no fuel supply, or wings that balance improbably vertically in the air (or for that matter stay attached through the wreck.)

Or you can take the CGI breakup scene from "Tale of Two Cities" and subsequent re-hashes, which clearly depict a Boeing 777. In either event, the cargo sections of most modern airliners runs pretty much the length of the airplane, under the floor. Military jets store fuel in the fuselage, civilian passenger jets rarely do, to increase safety.

However the 777 does have some under-fuselage fuel storage for longer ranged versions, which we can presume O815 was.

The breakup scene clearly shows that some of the cargo area is included with the tail section.

On the other hand, the area underneath the cockpit is generally crammed with avionics, so it's likely that no luggage/cargo came down with the cockpit section.

#370. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 26, 2008 4:26 PM

Troll 2? How many sequels are better than the original? Don't want to get too much off topic, but I can't think of any.

Isn't Vincent the second character ever seen on Lost. First Jack, then Vincent. I'm betting Vincent has a bigger role to play than we think.

Namaster and NOIS

#371. Posted by: Not an Other at March 26, 2008 4:30 PM

364 tiffani wrote "...richard alpert represents for the metro sexual male. ;)"

I would like to go on record as being a retro-sexual. Some of our rules include:

A Retrosexual, no matter what the women insists, PAYS FOR THE DATE.

A Retrosexual opens doors for a lady. Even for the ones that fit that term only because they are female.

A Retrosexual DEALS with IT, be it a flat tire, break-in into your home, or a natural disaster, you DEAL WITH IT.

A Retrosexual not only eats red meat, he often kills it himself.

A Retrosexual watches no TV show with "Queer" in the title.

A Retrosexual should have at least one good wound he can brag about getting.

A Retrosexual knows how to use a basic set of tools.

A Retrosexual will give up his seat on a bus to not only any women but any elderly person or person in military dress (except officers above 2nd Lt).

A Retrosexual man doesn't need a contract -- a handshake is good enough.

Damn, off-topic again...

#372. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 26, 2008 4:31 PM

Topic: Island Mythology and Its Natural Laws.

In trying to determine what special properties the Island has, I went back to get tally on the means or causes of death on the island. (Cause-number of fatalities):

Poison Gas - 40 plus
Gunshot wounds - 12
Explosions - 7
Physical fighting, knife wounds - 6
Trauma - 6
Pregnancy complications - 2 plus
Smokey - 2
Drowning - 2
Suffocation - 2
Suicide - 2
Brain aneurysm - 2
Arrow/projectile - 1
Grenade - 1
Stake - 1
Broken neck - 1
Infection - 1
Euthanized - 1
Sickness - (unknown number)

Of these causes of death, the dramatic healing properties of the island include severe wounds/trauma, fractured legs, and gunshot wounds that did not result in death.
The only severe injuries that did not result in death on the island were punctured lungs, sonic fence, spear gun chest wound, cancer and paralysis.

It would appear that the natural laws of death do apply (frequently) on the island.

#373. Posted by: welh at March 26, 2008 5:02 PM

@Cecil Rose - thank you for the explanation. Obviously, because of the confusion regarding the type of plane and the fantastical qualities of the plane that wash shown during the beach scenes, it is difficult to deduce solid information.
However, taking the presumption that the cargo hold is at the back of the plane, and also presuming that the cargo below the cockpit is filled with avionics, along with the fact that Vincent was not shown to be rescued by the tailies, my illegitimate deduction is that Vincent died in the crash.
Taking into account the mobisode with Christian, it is my conclusion that dead Vincent is doing the bidding of the island as some sort of poltergeist (perhaps like Tom!? Nah. He was alive in NYC).
So, what is needed is a Miles and Vincent meeting. THEN, the answers will really start to flow...

@ransonjackson - it looks like I qualify for retrosexulaity. It is more of a modern barbarian's style anyway.

Troll 2? Really?

#374. Posted by: Thundarr The Barbarian at March 26, 2008 5:43 PM


"Army of Darkness" windmill scene ... one of the classics in all of cinema (could it *possibly* be any sillier/weird?) ...

"Troll" Sonny Bono transformation scene ... ditto, but not exactly for the same reasons (was that not a giant turd he turned into?) ...

#375. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 6:01 PM


@ 371. Not an Other - Sorry to go off the topic...

Sorry to go off the topic? Going off the topic is the norm here! and since we are off the topic... Please go rent/buy the Evil Dead Trilogy - I offer a money back guarantee! Evil Dead II is basically a rehash of the original Evil Dead - somewhat scary, but mostly just plain ole' fun! Elements of horror, Three Stooges, cheesey acting, etc... then Army of Darkness (the third installment of the series) goes right over the top with more fun gore... I am not a big fan of the horror genre in general, but these movies are great! And... Evil Dead II being a sequel is a better movie than the original.

Don't even get me started on THE BIG LEBOWSKI... (greeeeeat flick!)

And since we are still off the topic - and relating back to all of the GAME SHOW chatter above - I have a question for all of you GAME SHOW contestants of the past - HOW DO YOU GET ON ONE? Inform me, 'cuz I wanna know! Is there a website you can sign up for them on?

Inquiring minds wanna know...


#376. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 26, 2008 6:06 PM


Attention JoePike - dude, Alex is indeed, very very hot. I understand you might not be too sure right off the bat, but check these out...



Wow... I guess I have sunk to an all new low.... posting on a blog trying to sway someone's opinion about how "hot" an actress is on my favorite show... oh man...

#377. Posted by: Mr_NaySayer at March 26, 2008 6:17 PM

@Karen/297: mirror matter

Intriguing concept, save one fatal flaw as I see it (and MANY other less-flagrant ones) ... according to the base theory, all bosons have mirror bosons, which mediate interaction between matter/mirror-matter ... except the graviton. Mirror matter is supposed to react gravitationally to ordinary matter, and vice versa (hence the "mirror moon within the Earth" idea).

That simply cannot be true in the implied case that there are "mirror planets and moons" within our solar system ... their mass would also influence motion of ordinary masses, and that certainly is not the case (especially in the inner solar system ... any such unexplained gravitational forces would long-ago have been detected, due to orbital perturbations). Not even going to get into the gross improbability of such a suggested lunar capture due to third-body effects ... just not necessary.

In short, I have no objection to the writers digging deep for "theoretically possible" background scenario explanations, however obscure and/or improbable, but this is not one of them ... not even remotely probable/possible.

Someone spent a lot of time compiling all that info/theory though, and still gotta appreciate that dedication. Right or wrong, thinking "differently" is always the first step toward discovery.

#378. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 6:32 PM

378. Posted by: ealgumby

Oh! . . . I was confused. For a moment there I thought you were talking about mirrored bosoms . . . ! . .

My mind temporarily exploded considering the possibility.

#379. Posted by: davidrh at March 26, 2008 6:44 PM

"perhaps you're the resident blog specialist in sexing horses?"

Nah, just being facetious about the gelding thing ... she's clearly a filly ... although you *can* tell a gelding by its gait, not to mention that creepy squeaking sound they make when moving ... rode/trained hunter-jumpers on the side a few years back.

#380. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 6:56 PM

→ 374. Thundarr The Barbarian regarding 370. Cecil Rose: Location of cargo hold:

Actually, I believe CR said that the cargo hold was under both the mid- & tail sections of the plane, so Vincent could have dropped into the jungle w/Jack from the mid-section. Which, however, reminds me of another unanswered question: Why did Jack end up landing in the jungle rather than on the beach w/the other mid-section Lostaways?

→ 372. ransomjackson: Retrosexual males:

I'm reminded of a college friend, who wrote a little book back in the mid-'80s called "Real Dogs Don't Play Dead." He illustrated it w/drawings of his black Lab, Zeke. I'm betting that Zeke would appeal to you!

→ 376. Mr_Naysayer: How to get on a game show:

My experience was long enough ago that I'm fairly certain it's changed since (I think these days you have to apply, at least initially, by Website). But back in the day, I sent a postcard off to Jeopardy! when I saw that they would be doing try-outs in Michigan (where I lived at the time). The initial round of the try-outs was 50 questions to be answered on paper (all the questions were from the 800 & 1000 questions—this was before all the dollar values were doubled). If anyone got 35 or more questions right, they would stay for a mock round of Jeopardy! w/the talent scouts. At that point they're looking at people to see if they're comfortable at being on camera & won't freeze up. After the mock round, the scouts let the potential contestants know that they're in the pool for the next year, & don't call us, we'll call you. It took nine months before I got called—I was sure that I had been too dull on camera to be chosen.

Anyone seen any game shows w/questions relating to LOST?

#381. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 26, 2008 7:08 PM

"Oh! . . . I was confused. For a moment there I thought you were talking about mirrored bosoms"

Now that's thinking differently ... although only Shiva could take advantage.

#382. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 7:12 PM

→ 380. ealgumby: Re geldings' gait & "creepy squeaky noise":

Inquiring minds want to know: how do their gaits change? and why do they make a creepy squeaky noise?

#383. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 26, 2008 7:35 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought/383: geldings

Without the package in place, they tend to move (especially at walk) a little knock-kneed ... almost stereotypically, fillies/mares move gently, colts/stallions strut boldy, and geldings more or less seem to stumble along, unsure of WTF happened. Maybe not super obvious to the untrained eye, but blatant after being around the Houyhnhnms for some time.

The squeak? I attribute that to the vacant space left behind, being squeezed regularly between the loins due to the knock-kneed thing ... kinda like the arm-pit fart. Squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak ...

BTW, geldings are not clumsy on their feet, and are in fact a common choice for riders/owners, due to strength, disposition, and ease of care ... they often just tend to look slightly uncomfortable in motion, IMO.

#384. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 7:57 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought/383: geldings

I know, way too much thought expended on this non-Lost issue, but ...

The "squeak" is not generic to all geldings (although, many if not most in my experience), and is most pronounced on a somewhat wet horse at trot, often at walk after a work-out, but rarely at canter or gallop (on those uncommon instances, more of a fart) ... TMI, I know ...

just thought you might wanna know ...

okay, I'll shut up on this now.

#385. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 8:43 PM

@371 Not an Other held:

Troll 2? How many sequels are better than the original? Don't want to get too much off topic, but I can't think of any.

French Connection II
Godfather II
Star Wars II (or 5, depending on how you count it)
After Worlds Collide (going back some here)
Billy Jack (Sequel to The Born Loser)
Star Trek 2
Mr Naysayer:

On Game Shows:

If you live in LA, the possibilities are endless - just scan the front of the want ads area of the paper.

Outside LA (or NY) you have to either travel or wait for a roving tryout to go through your town.

1st Time on Jeopardy: Saw the ad before the new west coast network show had aired. Called immediatly, got a quick try-out and quick acceptance, they didn't have a pool of applicants built up yet.

2nd time on Jeopardy:

Tried out, made the cut, no call, waited a year,
(repeat seven times)
Finally got a call back:

Challengers: They called me.

Don't want to give the impression that I could just pick and choose. I tried out for several others, including Wheel of Fortune, Big Marble Machine, Monopoly, Millionaire, (both network and syndicated) and others, with never a call back. I was more persistent with Jeopardy because I grew up watching it and always admired it, plus it's the one my mind is best suited for.

#386. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 26, 2008 9:19 PM

Okay, back to Lost ...

I think I have an answer to the "purple sky" conundrum ... sonoluminescence:

from wiki ...
"it was suggested that the light in sonoluminescence is generated by the vacuum around the bubble in a process similar to Hawking radiation, the radiation generated by the edges of black holes. ...
This is related to the Unruh effect or the Casimir effect. ...
The wavelength of emitted light is very short; the spectrum can reach into the ultraviolet."

I know many of you think there has been too much discussion of science/physics w/ regard to Lost, but it's also clear the writers want to provide a "plausible" explanation for everything that has happened, and this is one ...

The collapse of a vast Casimir effect field (from not entering the numbers in the hatch, as Locke initiated) could result in massive radiative sonoluminescence rippling from the point of origin ... and such emissions would manifest themselves as pulses of blue/violet/UV light spreading across the sky from the point of collapse ... the purple sky effect.

This is also consistent with other canon clues we have received (Casimir effect, Kerr metric, time travel), leading me to believe it has a higher likelihood of being true.

Has nothing to do with right/wrong, life/death, Jack/Locke, etc., but at least explains one of the more curious Lost physical phenomena ...

#387. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 9:27 PM


What is this "LOST" you guys are always talking about? and somethin' about an airplane... and a beard...?


#388. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 26, 2008 10:00 PM

Seinfeld, The BEARD
Episode Number: 102 Season Num: 6

"Elaine (aka Kate) tries to convert a gay man (aka Tom), to heterosexuality. George (aka Locke), who's now wearing his toupee (aka Scarf), discovers that the woman (aka Juliet) Kramer (aka Hurley) has set him up with, is bald (aka "shaved"). Kramer gives a homeless man (aka James ... aka Sawyer) some Chinese food (aka rabbit) and begins standing in police (aka Ben) lineups for $50 (aka $100 Dharma dollars) a lineup, to save up for an AIRPLANE flight to LA (aka "the island"). Jerry (aka Jack) begins to date a cop (aka Ana Lucia), but she wants him to take a lie detector test (aka Smokey), she thinks he is lying about NOT watching Melrose Place (aka LOST).

There, does that clear things up?

#389. Posted by: ealgumby at March 26, 2008 10:36 PM

→ 384 & 385. ealgumby: Geldings:

Wow, who knew? I was one of those little girls enamored of horses (although I never got the Appaloosa pony I coveted) & to this day the world comes to a crashing halt the afternoon of the first Saturday in May so I can glue my gaze to the Derby, but I never knew all that info about geldings.

→ 387. ealgumby : Purple sky:

I think I've learned more about physics here than I have anywhere else, including the year of physics in high school. Thanks for the info!

#390. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 26, 2008 10:52 PM

ABC has changed the Thurs schedule and are now going to broadcast an enhanced version of LOST at 9PM...S4, E1.

#391. Posted by: JT at March 27, 2008 12:16 AM

377 - Mr_Naysayer:
"Attention JoePike - dude, Alex is indeed, very very hot. I understand you might not be too sure right off the bat, but check these out..."

Suuuurrrrreee, anyone can look good all made up on a red carpet! I'll concede the point that Tania Raymonde is an attractive woman. But I still find Alex much less attractive than all those other Lost chicks previously listed. On the show, Alex just lacks the uber-feminemineminity that I find so alluring in the opposite gender. To each his own I s'pose.

#392. Posted by: JoePike at March 27, 2008 9:13 AM

@381 Alaïs_Longthought wondered:

>Anyone seen any game shows w/questions relating to LOST?

The BBC version of "Weakest Link" broadcast on BBC America frequently has Lost related questions.

#393. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 27, 2008 9:26 AM

@392. Posted by: JoePike

re: The hotness of Alex

I think it's the dirty old man complex that could be hindering (or helping) your sense of judgment/taste!

@379. Posted by: davidrh

"Oh! . . . I was confused. For a moment there I thought you were talking about mirrored bosoms . . . !"

Sometimes, mistakes lead to the greatest things. Mirrored bosoms (depending on whose) most certainly qualifies...

#394. Posted by: shikotee at March 27, 2008 9:31 AM

Yes, what happened to the postee :kateplussunisfun (or something like that)

There are a few people who have "disappeared" over the years.

I just finished watching the third episode again "Tabula Rusa" something like that. The reviews have really changed, and I have so much to say about it.

Let me finish work for now, and get back to it.

#395. Posted by: meg at March 27, 2008 9:31 AM


The last scene of the final season of Lost has been written for a while, and was recently leaked on the's amazing! I always knew this show was about redemption, and this last bit of dialogue just proves it. So here ya go:

(Jack cradling a dying Ben, as the entire island is about to implode):

Ben: Jack, help me take these Dharma contacts out.
Jack: But you're near-sited!
Ben: Nothing can stop that now. Just for once, let me look on you with my own bug-eyes.
(Jack removes Ben's Dharma contacts...)
Ben: Now go...leave me.
Jack: No! You're coming with me. I'll not leave you here, I've got to save you!
Ben: You already have. were right about me...I was playing house with your undead daddy...we had nicknames...I was Buggy...he was Jacob...
(Jack gasps)
Ben: Tell your were riiiiiiiiiight...

(Fade out on Ben's newly dead un-contacted single bug-eye.)

#396. Posted by: JoePike at March 27, 2008 10:10 AM

Did anyone else but me notice that when Ben walks you hear a kind of whistling?

At first I thought maybe it was just his corduroys, but now, what with all the talk of kinda makes me think...

Sspeaking of corduroys...didja hear about the new corduroy pillows? They're making headlines all over...

I of these days I'll actually post something on-topic.

#397. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 27, 2008 10:23 AM

lol @ JoePike "single bug-eye"

#398. Posted by: xanadude at March 27, 2008 10:51 AM

386--sequels suprior to the originals...

What about Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo? Don't recall if it was really better than Breakin' 1 but ya gotta love the title!

#399. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 27, 2008 11:03 AM

400lb Gorilla!!!!

#400. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 27, 2008 11:50 AM

@ Crispy Seaplanes: I reference Electric Boogaloo non-stop. If anyone mentions a sequel of any movie, I automatically say 'Electric Boogaloo'. Unfortunately I saw somewhere (I think on youtube) that it is considered the worst dance movie of all time!

#401. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 27, 2008 12:01 PM

Pkay, sorry to pipe in and spoil everyone's party. But, while rewatching Lost I have been seeing a lot of things that point to redemption. I know these points have been discussed before, but it is interesting watching these old episodes knowing what I do now.

The characters have all pretty much grown and changed. Walt and Locke had a connection from the beginning.

Sawyer became nicer. He is at peace. Thus, stays on island. Hurley still hasn't gotten laid (Libby dead), so he's back in the real world. Sun always tried to settle her relationship with Jin - he's gone, so there must be guilt there (off island). Kate and Jack are both off the island still fighting with personal demons.

Maybe the ones who are at peace with themselves get to stay, and the ones who weren't able to resolve personal issues are gone.

Okay, maybe I was just kidding about Hurley.

Michael is still being tortured. He ultimately always wanted his son, and spent ALL his time on the show trying to get him back; now he's off the island but has lost his son.

#402. Posted by: meg at March 27, 2008 12:29 PM

→ 397. ransomjackson: Ben's whistling:

I immediately thought of Ben stalking away up the hill after showing Juliet Goodwin's body, except now the scene came w/sound effects: "Take all the time you need." Toot, toot, toot, toot...

#403. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 27, 2008 12:30 PM

@401 Red...Neck...Man observed:

>@ Crispy Seaplanes: I reference Electric Boogaloo non-stop. If anyone mentions a sequel of any movie, I automatically say 'Electric Boogaloo'. Unfortunately I saw somewhere (I think on youtube) that it is considered the worst dance movie of all time!

The "Lost" Electric Boogaloo (aka Loast Rhapsody II was another case of the sequel being better that the (quite good) original

Lost Rhapsody:


Lost Rhapsody II (Electric Boogaloo)


Bonus (Dad in a box):


Unfortunately. no full season 3 version (yet)

#404. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 27, 2008 12:41 PM

#403 - Dear Alias, PLEASE do not remind me of the scene again!!! lol

#405. Posted by: meg at March 27, 2008 2:13 PM

Alaïs_Longthought - "Take all the time you need." Toot, toot, toot, toot...

Got me with that one. That Precious Pup snicker of mine. People are looking at me like I'm kinda strange. Which I am. But that's beside the point.

I had cords when I was a kid...whistled all the time...hated it...scarred for life. Of course I never gut-shot Mr. Clean wannabes...or planted airliners full of corpses at the bottom of the ocean...or kidnapped hot blond docs...well, maybe I shouldn't say never...

Dammit! Off-topic again!

#406. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 27, 2008 2:48 PM


ELECTRIC BOOGALOO was the shiznit... Ozone, Boogaloo Shrimp, & Special K, now there was a team!


I have an extra copy (unopened) of Army of Darkness... anyone want to borrow it? We could do an inner-blog loan! Seriously, if anyone wants to borrow it, lemme know!

#407. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 27, 2008 2:50 PM

Easter Egg?

I'm sure someone's made reference to the similarities between our Lost Island and Easter Island. But did you know that the first visitor to Easter Island was a guy named Jacob? And check out this (slightly edited) article from today's New York Times:

A Bennsylvanian tourist was detained after the police said he broke off a piece of rock from the toe of one of the mysterious ancient giant statues on Easter Island. A resident told the authorities that she witnessed the theft on Sunday at the Others' Beach and saw the tourist, Richard Alpert, 26, fleeing with a piece of the statue and a scarf in his hand. Mr. Alpert used his hands to tear off the toe, which fell to the ground and broke into pieces measuring 8 to 15 inches each, the Easter Island sheriff, Isabel, said in a telephone interview. She said Mr. Alpert, known to fellow Bennsylvanians as Eyeliner Rich, ran away with at least one of the pieces from the 16-foot tall moai, as the statues are known. Damaging moais is punishable under a law protecting national monuments, and Mr. Alptert faces 23 years in prison and a $3,442 fine if convicted.

#408. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 27, 2008 3:06 PM

I have actually seen Army of Darkness, and was aware that it was part of the Evil Dead movies. But, I thought Army of Darkness was first so I watched it first. It was hilarious! It is one that should be watched by all. After thinking about it, I think the Lethal Weapon series got better with every movie. I think Star Wars 1 (or 4) is better than Empire Strikes Back. I guess I'm a sucker for happy endings. However, Star Wars 6 (or 3) was the best of the new movies. All Lost related somehow.

Namaste and NOIS

#409. Posted by: Not an Other at March 27, 2008 4:12 PM


I understand he would've gotten away with it if it weren't for a mysterious trail of ash and some rotten kids by the names of Katie and Jimmy who were playing Pirate.

Asked for a comment, Katie said, "Johnny and Jackie told us not to play there, but Jimmy said he had something long and hard to show me underneath the black rock. What's a Jesus Stick?"

A third young witless...I mean witness... named Michael added, "WAAAAAAAALLLT!!"

#410. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 27, 2008 4:24 PM


Where is everybody?

Oh. Yeah.

We’re on a break.


If you’re reading this, Des, that doesn’t make it okay to sleep with other women.

#411. Posted by: Clementine at March 27, 2008 9:13 PM

@378 ealgumby

Of course you are correct.

But the right hand world works a little different than our world in as much as
Gravity is a weak long distance force in our left hand world.

But big and strong and very short distance in the right hand world.
I know this to be true cause I just made it up.

I think they have dug a deep enough hole that my theory will make as much “real” since as the shows theory.

Oh! I haven’t been right on anything yet so never mind.

@davidrh Go Hawks ! I went to Allen Field house this year for a game and sat on a window ledge at the very top ! My head was touching the pipes. Best seat in the house !!!

#412. Posted by: SamFin at March 27, 2008 9:34 PM


As a four year Navy Radioman. I speak with great authority.

You are correct sir. The banging pipes on the ship are for sure birds hitting the pipes. There is no chance it’s Steve Mcqueen playing tennis.

Also if you magnify the sound 1 gazillion times and speed it up some.

It says “The meaning of life is “42”. And not 43 or 44 even.

p.s. You guys and gals are on a roll. I’ve been lmao. Of course some of the late at night posts remind me of the ‘60’s. 

#413. Posted by: SamFin at March 27, 2008 9:47 PM

→ 405. meg: Ben whistling, redux:

Actually, I was thinking of you & ILBLXX when I wrote that post. ; )

→ 406. ransomjackson: Wearing cords:

I wonder how many of us will wear cords again w/o thinking of this little conversation?

→ 408. Scooby-Dude: Eyeliner Rich & the Sheriff of Easter Island:

LOL! Sounds like one of those "Perils of Pauline"-type cliffhangers...did he get away? did he lose his eyeliner in the process?

→ 410. ransomjackson: Jesus stick:

Is that what Mary Magdalene called it?

→ 411. Clementine: Des:

While we're on break, I'm working on some paranormal research—seeing if I can materialize a Hot Scot in my general vicinity using just the power of my mind. I'll let you know if I'm successful... ; >

#414. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 27, 2008 10:25 PM

"I think they have dug a deep enough hole that my theory will make as much 'real' since as the shows theory."

Oh hell, of course you are right too! And props for the sense of humor about it!

I have been back and forth on whether to chide or praise the writers on sticking to a "reasonable" theory, but ultimately have decided, WGAS?

As I've mentioned before, I really don't care if the "science" is legit or not, as long as it's consistent to its own mythology. Just kinda rubbed me the wrong way when they came out early on, and "suggested" they had not just plausible, but proven means to explain the island phenomena ... uh, not so much the case.

I do think they've put forth a good faith effort though, "realistically" plausible or not. I'm willing to let it go at that. That being the case though, they still need to wrap up the loose ends, according to their own fantastical world-view. Casimir effect, Kerr metric, and time travel? Fine, but how does this help explain the remaining mysteries? More profoundly, how does the "science" weave into the lattice of deeper philosophical/theological issues they have taken upon themselves to introduce?

They have laid the groundwork for some interesting explorations of right/wrong, fate/free-will, redemption/punishment, etc. I honestly like the idea of working "science" (pseudo or not) into this equation, in the interest of furthering the more significant plot points ... I just hope (and expect) them to come through with a meaningful synergy at the end.

I have long been one of the proponents of hard-core analysis of the science (because of the writers' adamant stance on things being "true"), but recently have found myself thinking more in terms of "okay, good enough." I'm finding much more interest in the evolving ethical/conceptual aspects of the show, and how they intend to resolve these issues, set within the background sci-fi fabric that has been established.

If there is ultimately no correlation between the two "sides" of this show, I'll be sorely disappointed ... if they can somehow pull it off, this series will be added to my "brilliant" list ... still too soon to tell, but hopeful.

#415. Posted by: ealgumby at March 27, 2008 11:21 PM

After watching enhanced 4.01-

Not Penny's Boat... seems like Penny was in a confined, close-quarters office. Her bookcase, with recessed shelves, looked like a cabin on a ship. Not Penny's Boat = yes... of course, not hers... it was Dad's.

Tsunami on LOST Island... not exactly. I just think they tried to recreate the event when Hurley did his cannonball into the ocean. They didn't have 50' swells run in-land, but I hear they lost two cameras and a gaffer.

Minkowski sounded pretty coherent when talking to near-dead Naomi on the "changed frequency sat-phone". That was a day or two before we saw his sad self croak on the freighter. He must have lost it really quick... dare I say... Naomi was his Constant... then Regina went shortly thereafter... dare I say... she was Minkowski's Constant.

The enhanced footnote read that you don't go find Jacob... Jacob summons you. Opens a lot of arguments there. Closes many other theories.

Also enhanced note -
Not a flash FB or FF. Not in Hugos brain. Mental Home buddy saw it too.
Will Miles see, or speak to Charlie soon?

#416. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 27, 2008 11:26 PM

"Is that what Mary Magdalene called it?"

No, she was a bit more OT (of course), and went with "the pillar of fire."

Lightning bolts smite at will ...

#417. Posted by: ealgumby at March 27, 2008 11:32 PM

"The enhanced footnote read that you don't go find Jacob... Jacob summons you. Opens a lot of arguments there. Closes many other theories."

This implies Jacob has an agenda in "bringing" people to him ... maybe seems obvious, but implies those summoned can "help" him somehow (based on the "Help Me" comment). Can't help but think about the "you can't kill yourself off the island" thing and Jack ... maybe Jacob/Jack needs help to set things right (course correct) before he can die ... also wonder if Adam/Eve are related.

Possibly in a future ep, Jack goes back to the island, out of guilt to rescue those left behind before the O6 incident, but something goes awry on the way off (last flight out on the wrong course?) that leads Jack (Jacob) and Adam/Eve (Sun/Jin, Bernard/Rose, Saywer/Kate, ...?) back in time to the island (time cones, yadda yadda yadda), where Adam/Eve die in the cave ... Jack (Jacob) is left behind, essentially "immortal," waiting for the chance to set things right, so he can finally die.

This requires people, that he knows will eventually be on the island (Ben, Locke, Hurley, ???), to take actions "this time around" which produce the desired "course correction" ... that would be Adam/Eve making it off the island safely, and Jack dying in their place ... the ultimate sacrifice from the man intent on trying to "make things right."

#418. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 12:07 AM

Anyone else just see Kimmel's take on tonight's enhanced episode? Too funny! In the Jack/Hurley play "horse" scene, following the HO-are-the-8th-and-15th-letters spiel in the captions, they follow with (as memory serves me) "H-O are also 1/3 of Santa's catch phrase ... and Paris Hilton's nickname ... Hurley once ate a HOrse."

Reminded me of quips I might see here ... :)

#419. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 12:30 AM

416. MorBid0 wrote "Tsunami on LOST Island...when Hurley did his cannonball..."

That's gd funny.

Y'know how I know?

Cuz it's mean and it happened to someone else.

#420. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 28, 2008 8:52 AM

→ 420. by: ransomjackson
You want mean?

Q: How can you tell a metro-sexual from a retro-sexual?

A: The retro is the one wearing the corduroy pants.

Enhanced A: You see, the retro-sexual doesn't mind the extra grip the cords give you along the inseam... because you never know when you might have to ride a bronc or a bull, bare-back. The metro-sexuals, like Ben and Richard, could never wear corduroy because - the massive friction generated between their generous girl-shaped thighs would start too many fires, putting the jungle, and LOST Island at risk.

#421. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 28, 2008 9:22 AM

@416 MorBidO

“Not Pennies boat” Very good point. And may explain how the O6 got off just before Ben hides the island again.

Hurley: Cannonball comment:
“They didn't have 50' swells run in-land, but I hear they lost two cameras and a gaffer.”

Please correct this to read gaffer and/or gammer for the political people !

Minkowski: getting sick fast. Des got sick on the way to the boat er ship.

#422. Posted by: SamFin at March 28, 2008 9:42 AM

Listened to the Lostcast podcast for "Meet Kevin Johnson" last night and they mentioned that you can see the shooter in the final scene with Alex, Rousseau and Karl.


Turns out, you can see something or someone moving though the grass, as if crawling, in the background of the shot. It's almost impossible to detect in a single frame, but in motion it's clear - see a brief video clip on Sledgeweb at:


#423. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 28, 2008 9:43 AM

→ 421. Posted by: MorBid0 - "...Ben and Richard" 's "...generous girl-shaped thighs..."

Now that's mean. And it happened to someone else. We know what that means...

423. Posted by: Cecil Rose - Took a look at the URL...very very difficult to see who (or what) the shooter might be. IMO it appeared as tho the shooter has very short very dark very curly hair...Michael? Walt? Wait...maybe it's Eko?!? How friggin' cool would that be?

Regardless of who the shooter is, I think the more important question is who sent the shooter. And I think the shooter-sender has to be Corduroy Ben.

There. Finally did it. Back on topic. Mostly.

#424. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 28, 2008 10:52 AM

This is the best theory about time travel I have read. I usually get all confused about the time travel thing but this person has put together a clear theory.

http://duggmirror(REPLACE WITH DOT)com/television/An_Extremely_Compelling_LOST_Theory/

#425. Posted by: Lost Is Found at March 28, 2008 11:14 AM

@ealgumby “wgas”
Off topic? – reminds me back in the 70’s at work you couldn’t receive radio waves inside the building. So built a FM station and broadcast music.

The call letters. You guessed it ! WGAS I had my own jingles.
Daughter singing. WHO GASSSS where a rock is a rock and roll is something you eat !!!

Great fun errr until I realized how close to the airport we were and FCC doesn’t like that kinda stuff.

#426. Posted by: SamFin at March 28, 2008 11:26 AM


Anyone catch the episodes of "MISS GUIDED?" - I think it is pretty good... me likey.


#427. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 28, 2008 11:41 AM

-411 Clementine
-414 Alais
No need to worry about Des. He's with me. (heavy sigh) I was going to add something about him being good at pushing buttons, but then you already know that.

#428. Posted by: lovelost at March 28, 2008 1:28 PM

→ 424. by: ransomjackson
And I think the shooter-sender has to be Corduroy Ben.
- - - -
Source: LOST, Chief of Wardrobe Design.
"Ben has been getting a little thick in the middle this season, so he has had his pants tailored with an elastic waist band, I think he is calling them 'Benduroys' now. Between Jack, Danielle & Sawyer beating the cr@p out of Ben, and Lockes' cooking causing heinous anal leakage, Ben has given up on boxers altogether, and is wearing his matching "Benderoo" underpants. Richard Alpert is still 'goin commando' tho...."

#429. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 28, 2008 1:28 PM

Yo Mr_Naysayer

I just watched a couple eps of MISS GUIDED online on You're right, it is a great show. Pretty freakin' hilarious.

This is Lost related because...well...I saw someone on the show who looks like he could be related to someone in the Lost cast...

#430. Posted by: JoePike at March 28, 2008 1:35 PM

I actually watched a few eps of that as well. It's pretty good. I know, because it happened to someone I know.

#431. Posted by: meg at March 28, 2008 2:24 PM

6 Degrees of Separation time...

Miss Guided features Brooke Burns who was in Death to the Supermodels with Sung Hi Lee who was...wait for it...Tricia Tanaka.

#432. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 28, 2008 3:16 PM

→ 415. Posted by: ealgumby: "I really don't care if the "science" is legit or not, as long as it's consistent to its own mythology":

Exactly. I don't remember if I've posted this before or not, but JRR Tolkien said the same thing—the world he created (or sub-created, to use his term) needed to be internally consistent to be believable. And I agree that the ethical/moral concepts of the show are more interesting than the science part. It's why I prefer the characters' interactions to smoke monsters etc.

→ 417. ealgumby: "Pillar of fire":

Hmm. That sounds like it could be the title of the next Harry Potter book, dealing w/his young adult life after he's married Ginny: Harry Potter & the Pillar of Fire.

→ 428. lovelost: The whereabouts of Des:

I think we're going to have to work out a time-sharing deal here... ; )

→ 429. MorBid0: Corduroy Ben & the weight gain:

Perhaps Ben needs to do more stalking away up steep hillsides to work off that middle-aged spare tire. I suppose we could take his weight gain as proof that the island hasn't granted him immortality/lack of aging, though!

#433. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 28, 2008 3:51 PM

Hi-Ho everyone. Just trying to CATCH UP on all the posts. Last couple of seasons I posted quite a bit, 1) because I had access at work, 2) because I didn't have to READ FOR A WEEK to catch up on all the posts! Anyway, I enjoy lurking and the LOL posts and especially the occasional "spew liquid out my nose" laughs I get from you guys and gals.

Is it time for a caption contest again?

Just thought I'd post to let yall know I'm still out here - waiting to catch people bunny hatin...

Speaking of bunny haters - Locke is at the top of the list. My favorite line of (can't remember if it was this episode or the one before that)when Locke killed a poor innocent bunny then handed Ben his poor little bunny meal and Ben said "This didn't have a number on it, did it?" I, being the bunny lover that I am, even had to LOL at that!

Take care everyone. I'll be watching you...

#434. Posted by: BunnyLover at March 28, 2008 4:28 PM


Electric Boogaloo makes almost any part 2 sequel's title better. I do it in my head almost anytime I hear a Movie title part 2.
Wouldn't it have been better for example if we'd had Star Wars Episode 2 Electric Boogaloo?
Reading all these posts about chubby Ben in corduroys is making me picture him break dancing in said cords. Ben Linus 2: Corduroy Boogaloo!

#435. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 28, 2008 4:30 PM


The dramatic story of two young lovers - Richard, an eyeliner model, and Tom, a cocksure man about town - caught up in a island romance, a romance which has remained nameless until now...

Brokeback Boogaloo 2 - Scarfy's Revenge

#436. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 28, 2008 4:42 PM

After watching the enhanced version of episode one last night I was wondering if someone could explain something. When Hurley was in the institution and Abbadon came to visit, there was a caption saying that the stuff written on the chalkboard was a clue. Did not keep my dvr version to go back and check it out. Thanks.

#437. Posted by: irishfan at March 28, 2008 5:38 PM


Hey IrishFan - here is a little help:

See... even for a complete Naysayer, I can be a helpful member of this blog community! haha.


#438. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at March 28, 2008 6:24 PM

Brokeback Boogaloo 2 - Scarfy's Revenge

Possibly/probably a step too far with this, but ...

Opening scene from "Brokeback Boogaloo 2," at the island’s “alternative lifestyle” beach-side shanty:

Tom (taking the stool next to Richard): “Hi, I’m Tom. Can I buy you a drink?”

Richard (pauses for a sec, looks Tom up and down): “I'm Dick ... and of course ... sex on the beach.”

Tom: “*Exactly* what I was thinking! (giggling) Oh barman ... ‘one sex on the beach’ with a ‘dirty boy scout!’ My, your eyes are just *too* smoky ... is it Maybelline?”

Richard: “Am I blushing? ... And you’re quite fetching with that little number around your neck!”

Tom: “You like? I just got it from a flight attendant ... I *begged* her for it, and finally she exchanged it for my unopened Shiseido Benefiance.”

Richard: “Wow ... what a sacrifice, but well worth it, I must say ... the colors are to DIE for! Good scarves are just SO hard to come by.”

Tom (purring): “Oh I know ... perhaps we can play some games with it later on?”

Richard (leaning in): “Tom, you’re reading my mind.”

Thus began the sordid and tragic tale of two star-crossed island lovers, ultimately torn apart by their mutually obsessive love for ... the scarf.

#439. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 6:25 PM

ealgumby - Dude, when do you sleep?

#440. Posted by: Smitty at March 28, 2008 6:47 PM

ealgumby - Dude, when do you sleep?

Sleep is for the weak ...

#441. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 6:50 PM


Not to bring up a potentially sore moment, but did you catch the Iron Chef America "Battle Rabbit" (Michael Symon vs. Guy Rubino) from earlier this year?

I don't even think the chefs immediately recognized what the "secret ingredient" was when they unveiled a table piled high with the skinned carcasses of rabbit/hare!

Ah, brought back thoughts (if memory serves me right) of the wonderful Japanese version of the show, and their outrageous secret ingredients!

Sorry if I have offended; just curious if you had seen/heard about this, as I immediately thought of you when I saw the rerun a couple weeks ago.

#442. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 7:46 PM

@Lost Is Found/425

Nice pictures ... of which one is the "Namaste! The Dharma Initiative" sign on the dock ...

Got me thinking (always dangerous), as and aside ... did I miss something along the way, or has "namaste" been used as both a notice of greeting and departure, ala "aloha" in Hawaii, on Lost? To the best of my knowledge (and I dated a UP Indian girl for several years), "namaste" is used only as a respectful greeting ... did it's use here as a parting gesture begin with a scene on Lost?

#443. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 8:18 PM


Grammar police ... I know, I used "it's" incorrectly ... should be "its."

I still pose the original question though ...

#444. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 8:22 PM

-441 ealgumby

Count me among "the weak"! Seriously, though .... you constantly amaze and entertain. Thanks.

#445. Posted by: lovelost at March 28, 2008 8:52 PM


"Sleep is for the weak" is from Sean Combs during an episode of "Making The Band" (but couldn't tell you which one, which incarnation, or if he coined it himself ... guessing not) ...

As I tend to be a night-owl/insomniac, I took comfort in the slogan (struggling against my sleep deficit) ...

#446. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 9:24 PM

Here is my twilight zone moment of the week. Last weekend after SNL, the (morbidly funny) show "Dead Like Me" had guest star Harold Perrineau as the 'deadie of the week'. He looked to be in great shape and was very funny to boot. Very un-Michael like. He was a yoga instructor that stretched his (spoiler) a little too far. Before that, he led a class and ended it with the blessing 'Namaste' for his students. I thought wow, he is really playing the LOST card is this cameo. Then I checked his bio... this show aired in October '03... months before he reported for filming in Hawaii! I don't know if Michael/Kevin is time-travelling, but Harold the actor sure is. Maybe he is his own constant.

And ladies... he was very 'bendy'. Kevin could almost Meet his own Johnson.

#447. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 28, 2008 9:37 PM

@Thundarr The Barbarian/353

"Holy Smokey! Packer fans, Badger Fans, Warrior fans"

Ah, you give away your age! "Golden Eagle" fans now, my friend!

Too bad the Badgers SUCKED tonight! Damn! My bracket was already effed by Marquette losing ... now I'm right out ...

Still pulling for Nova to pull out the upset regardless, just to save face! Sorry davidrh, although you can feel free to rub my nose in it when they (likely) lose ...

BTW Thundarr ... you sound like you're probably a cheesehead ... myself, born in Milwaukee, grew up in Ozaukee County, and have rels all over the state (from South Milwaukee to Rib Lake). Now ... away from home for far too long, in Maryland.

- Erik

#448. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 9:41 PM

"he led a class and ended it with the blessing 'Namaste' for his students."

and still I ask ...

#449. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 9:47 PM

→ 446. by: ealgumby
Quoting Combs?
- - - -
Try this quote from my mother.

"The woman with experience is never at the mercy of a man with just an argument."

#450. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 28, 2008 9:53 PM


Amen ... can't possibly argue with that!

#451. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 10:01 PM

"Quoting Combs?"

And BTW, what's wrong with a little Diddy knowledge along the way? He got where he is somehow ... I put no less weight behind something he says than Warren Buffett's quotes ... (and BTW, Warren's son Peter hosted my sis's wedding at his [former] mansion [in Milwaukee, the Uihlein House] ... and yeah, she's since been divorced ... the music industry is a bitch).

#452. Posted by: ealgumby at March 28, 2008 10:31 PM

Lack of sleep is for the drunk ... or at least those who picked losing teams, and, and tried to drink away their sorrow ...

#453. Posted by: ealgumby at March 29, 2008 3:18 AM

Still pulling for Nova to pull out the upset regardless, just to save face! Sorry davidrh, although you can feel free to rub my nose in it when they (likely) lose ...

448. Posted by: ealgumby

Oh no, no, my friend - I would never be THAT small of a person. HOWEVER, today, I was wondering if everytime you answered your phone you could scream ROCK CHAUK JAYHAWK before saying "Hello"?

BTW - Who the heck is this Davidson crowd?!?!?

Have a great Saturday all.

#454. Posted by: davidrh at March 29, 2008 8:14 AM

Bunnylover! Nice to see you again.

And just for you, a link to the world's biggest bunny:


#455. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 29, 2008 6:59 PM

→ 455. Posted by: Cecil Rose
- - - -
(sorry BL) ;^(

yummmm... Bunny... the other Other, other white meat! The heck with Easter ham, that bunny could feed Jacob's army. (or Hurley)... Looks like it wears a childs' size four shoe. Imagine the luck you'd have with that rabbit's foot in your pocket. You'd win the lottery - but have to split it with Hugo. No number 15 on the bunny, so I guess it is "free-range Dharma organic".
footnote- The bunny has FOUR toes. Food of the island ancients per chance? Or like their sacred cow? What next - A four toed statue of a rabbit paw?

#456. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 30, 2008 1:08 AM

"BTW - Who the heck is this Davidson crowd?!?!?"

Like everyone else, I took them lightly, knowing little about them ... my mistake. A week ago, I would've lumped Davidson/Curry with Nova/Reynolds; but now having seen them dismantle Wisconsin, I have to say they're definitely a notch above, both in terms of the team at large, and the team leader (Curry is for real).

I think KU will have much more of a battle today, but that said, still have to go with your Jayhawks. Just too much power, and too many weapons. Wouldn't touch that 9-point line though.

BTW, in keeping with my punishment for picking Nova ... couldn't resist when the pizza-man had trouble finding my place yesterday, and called for directions ... there was more than a little lost in translation, when he asked for address help in broken English, and I responded with a loud ROCK CHAUK JAYHAWK! "Hello, hello, pizza, WHAT? What street is this, ruck ... huck? Not what I was told!" Boy, that was stupid on my part ... took several minutes just to get past the ensuing confusion.

#457. Posted by: ealgumby at March 30, 2008 2:02 PM

@Cecil Rose/293
"@280 davidrh said (re; "Lost Horizon"):
>And therein lies the advantage of being OLD! . . . ah, Old-ER!

Yeah, some of us saw it in its (happy, Lovelost?)original release and thought the parallels too obvious to comment on."

Just had to see this, so picked up a copy of the re-released DVD and watched it late last night. Apparently, the Saturday TV matinee version had 25 minutes cut from the original, and some of the cut footage was lost. In a good effort at restoration, they recovered all 132 minutes of original audio, and all but seven minutes of the video (unfortunately including the Lovey/Henry get drunk w/ the local girls scene, which I'd loved to have seen .. from the set stills included to fill the time, those girls were fine).

Anyway, WOW, what a great flick! You're right about the Lost parallels though ... if by accident, then count me among the synchronicty steadfasts! Post-production, I'm dying to know how much of an influence this had on Lost. Simply too many similarities to list ... ah George (i.e, Jack), how foolish you were to give into the siren call of local babe Maria (Juliet?).

As an aside, I am increasingly impressed by the candor shown in many 30's films (e.g. the early, sarcastic reference by Bob Conway regarding "insignificance" of local casualties ... and have no doubt the Lovey/Henry drunk scene was excised during the McCarthy era). Being quite a bit before my time, haven't viewed a lot of these, but had the same gut reaction when watching "The Thin Man" series. I must expand my repertoire by seeking out more of these older films.

I seriously question the premise that things were so much "better" in the good old days, and that mankind has really changed much in the past century; technological advances haven't changes peoples' nature.

#458. Posted by: ealgumby at March 30, 2008 3:12 PM


I remember as a kid seeing the movie some Saturday afternoon and then, when the bookmobile came to town, I managed to get the book and read it.

I do remember really enjoying the book. Back in "the old days" movies seem to match the books a bit better than they do now.

In fact, I'm a bit intrigued now myself . . I may try and find the book and read it again.

EXTRA: If I wasn't a KU Alumni I would probably root for Davidson myself today. Went on line this morning and looked at their website. Tiny little school. We ARE talking about David and Goliath(s)!
I just hope they've run out of "smooth stones" this afternoon!

#459. Posted by: davidrh at March 30, 2008 3:41 PM

Betcha never saw this coming ...

Damned glad to see Kyle Busch have trouble today, after screwing Johnny B. on the last lap of yesterday's run ... NASCAR fans are NOT all idiot yokels ...

#460. Posted by: ealgumby at March 30, 2008 4:42 PM

@ JoePike - 301

It's currently about 2:04 AM. I probably won't post this until tomorrow.

I wasn't here this week, and I need to catch up on the posts.

Is there any known significance to the name "Kevin Johnson" or is it just random?

Maybe it's --
Michael Dawson --> Michael Jackson --> Michael Johnson --> Kevin Johnson

...Not too sure where the Kevin came from. =]

I think it does.

Anyway -- during my absence, I "composed" a bit of a "song"...

Michael Dawson:
It's not over tonight
Just give me one more chance to make it right
I may not make it through the night
I won't go home without you

Benjamin Linus:
At the end of the world
Or the last thing I see
You are never going home

Kate Austen:
I'm telling you loosen up my buttons baby
But you keep fronting
Saying what you going do to me
But I ain't seen nothing

James Ford (Sawyer):
I'd chime in with a "haven't you people ever heard of, closing the *** damn door?" No. It's much better to face these kinds of things, with a sense of poise and rationality.

John Locke:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Kiss me beneath the milky twilight
Lead me out on the moonlit floor
Lift your open hand
Strike up the band and make the fireflies dance
Silver moon's sparkling
So kiss me

Jack Shephard:
I still don't have the reason
And you don't have the time
And it really makes me wonder
If I ever gave a **** about you
Give me something to believe in
Cause I don't believe in you anymore
I wonder if it even makes a difference to try
So this is goodbye

Benjamin Linus:
There's always that one person
That will always have your heart
You never see it coming
Cause you're blinded from the start
Know that you're that one for me
It's clear for everyone to see
Ooh baby ooh you'll always be my boo

Mr. Friendly (Tom):
She wore an itsy, bitsy, teenie, weenie, yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today
An itsy, bitsy, teentie, weenie, yellow polka-dot bikini
But I don't care, since I'm GAY.

James Ford (Sawyer):
She moves her body like a cyclone
and she makes me wanna do it all night long

Benjamin Linus:
'Cause it's you and me and all of the people with nothing to do
Nothing to prove
And it's you and me and all other people
And I don't know why, I can't keep my eyes off of you

Don't make me get Buck in here

Charlie Pace:

Hugo Reyes (Hurley):
Frosty the snowman, was a jolly happy soul

First you say you won't
Then you say you will
You keep me hanging on,
And we're not moving on
Or standing still, Katey
You've got me on my knees
It's killing me

John Locke:
Papa was a rolling stone
Whereever he laid his hat, was his home

Don't you wish your girlfriend was HOT like me?
Don't you wish your girlfriend was a FREAK like me? Doncha?

I wear a Halo, I wear a Halo when you look at me

Those three words, are said too much
They're not enough
If I lay here, If I just lay here, would you lay with me and just forget the world?

I hate how much I love you girl
I can't stand how much I need you
and I hate how much I love you girl
But I just can't let you go
But I hate that I love you so

Get off of my back

And I know that he knows I'm unfaithful
It kills him inside, to know that I am happy with some other guy

I'll stand by you
I'll stand by you
I won't let nobody hurt you
I'll stand by you

There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium,
And hydrogen and oxygen and nitrogen and rhenium,
And nickel, neodymium, neptunium, germanium....

Kate Austen:
It's too late to apologize
It's too late
I said it's too late to apologize THE END.
I'm holding on your arm got me ten feet off the ground

Richard Alpert:
I'm a SLAVEEEEEE for you.

Now that don't kill me
Can only make me stronger
I need you to hurry up now
Cause I can't wait much longer
I know I got to be right now
Cause I cant get much wronger
Man i've been waitin' all night now
That's how long i've been on ya

Benjamin Linus:
No one no one no one
Can get in the way of what I'm feeling (not even Goodwin)

I'm on tonight, my hips don't lie

Benjamin Linus:
I'm looking at you through the glass, don't know how much time has past
All I know is that it feels like forever

Because of you, I never stray to far from the sidewalk

Your subtleties
They strangle me
I can't explain myself at all.
And all that wants
And all that needs
All I don't want to need at all.

The walls start breathing
My minds unweaving
Maybe it's best you leave me alone.
A weight is lifted
On this evening
I give the final blow.

When darkness turns to light,
It ends tonight
It ends tonight.

She work it girl, she work the pole
She break it down, she take it low
She fine as hell, she about the dough
She doing her thing out on the floor
Her money money, she makin' makin'
Look at the way she shakin' shakin'

This is an S.O.S.
Don't wanna second guess,
This is the bottom line
It's true
I gave my all for you,
now my heart's in two
And I can't find the other half
It's like I'm walking on broken glass,
better believe I bled
It's a call I'll never get

Let me see that thong...

And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cause I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And designer love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days

Who you gonna call?
Ghost busters. =]

I like big butts and I cannot lie..

You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
Your bridges were burned, and now it's your turn
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
Cry me a river
Cry me a river-er, yea yea

I'm gonna muster every ounce of confidence I have
and cannon ball into the water
I'm gonna muster every ounce of confidence I have
For you I will

I can't believe what is in front of me
The water's rising up to my knees
And i can't figure out
How the hell i wound up here
Everything seemed okay when i started out the other day
Then the rain came pouring down
And now im drowning in my fears
And as i watch the setting sun
I wonder if im the only one

Everyobody tries to put some love on the line
And everybody feels a broken heart sometimes
And even when i'm scared i have to try to fly
Sometimes i fall
But ive seen it done before
I got to step outside these walls

I don't mind spending everyday
Out on your corner in the pouring rain
Look for the girl with the broken smile
Ask her if she wants to stay awhile
And she will be loved

Roger Linus:
I'll keep you my dirty little secret
Don't tell anyone or you'll be just another regret

John Locke:
Whats the worst that I could say?
Things are better if I stay
So long and goodnight

It's hard for me to control myself, and to hold myself, back from jumping on you like I wanna like I wanna wanna

Benjamin Linus:
I can't take seeing you with him

It's getting hot in here
So keep on all your clothes

What goes around, goes around, goes around
Comes all the way back around

When all you gotta keep it strong
Move along move along

Hands are shaking cold
These hands are meant to hold

Benjamin Linus:
I'm bringing sexy back.

Cindy's Scarf:
I am beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring me down
I am beautiful in every single way
Yes, words can't bring me down
Oh no, so don't you bring me down today


ALL IN ALL: I still think Vincent = Smoke Monster.

I'm an amature.
Bad composistion but I was bored on the plane after I spent the whole flight trying to open up my stupid bag of peanuts which I still can not open.

... no joke.

#461. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 30, 2008 5:01 PM

The change of direction for Sayid.

Michael fails to carry out Bens plan to blow up the engine room of the freighter/to stop Widmore's people from getting to the island.2 possibilities that may happen to Michael on the freighter.
1.Michael kills himself(like the many other suicides that have occured on the freighter)overcome with guilt.
2.Michael leaves the freighter altogether and goes back to NY eventually killing himself,and is the 'body in the coffin'.

About the 2nd point,if Michael does eventually kill himself it would be because "fate" has replaced him with Sayid.Therefore Michael will be able to kill himself off the island,and Sayid becomes Bens man on the boat.After all Ben is the 'master manipulator'.So Sayid is manipulated by Ben to carry out his plan on the freighter,whether or not Sayid succeds i don't know.Eventually Sayid becomes Bens employee,and maybe Sayid is ridden with guilt about what he did on the freighter and Ben is using that to his advantage.
So i think Michael is the body in the coffin i mean all the telling facts are leading to him,he is suicidal in 'Meet Kevin Johnson', the funeral parlor is in a suburban black neighbourhood and didn't the funeral director say that he is survived by one teenage son.

#462. Posted by: Simplified at March 30, 2008 6:37 PM



That was waaaaaay too close for comfort.
You know what I'm talkin' about.

#463. Posted by: davidrh at March 30, 2008 7:25 PM

"That was waaaaaay too close for comfort."

For sure ... did Curry run out of "stones" on that last possession?

#464. Posted by: ealgumby at March 30, 2008 7:52 PM

Inspired by ilovebenjaminlinusxx

It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
(With Slight Revisions)

That's great, it starts with a shipwreck, birds and bears, an aeroplane -
Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -
island serves its own needs, regardless of your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,
down height. Freighter for hire, represent the seven games in a millionaire for
hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with Smokey
breathing down your neck. Team by team scientists baffled, trump, tethered
crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,
common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. Island serves its
own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture, and Eko now
has seen the light - light. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, purple
light, feeling pretty psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in radio tower. Slash and burn,
return, listen to yourself churn. Locke is in uniform and book burning,
blood letting. Every motive escalate. Submarine incinerates. Light a fuse,
open a hatch. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I tripped a nice island time drift divide. Mount St. Temple.
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Charlie Pace.
Rescue party, Dharma flakes, lima bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic,
slam, but neck, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine...

#465. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at March 31, 2008 8:54 AM


"It's the end of this website - as we knew it."

#466. Posted by: ANON2 at March 31, 2008 1:10 PM


Well said.

#467. Posted by: davidrh at March 31, 2008 2:52 PM

With all the “songwriting” going on, it’s obvious to me that my suggestion about posting only in Japanese Poetry patterns fell on deaf ears . . .

So, OK - Let’s go with the flow here . . .

Everybody jump on this now, OK?

We’ll pick ONE melody that everyone has to use in their posting. Let’s make it a melody that everyone in the ENTIRE WORLD knows by heart . . . something simple but with a good basic beat pattern that will stir the poetic sensibilities of all our bloggers . . .

thinking hard . . . thinking hard . . .

I’VE GOT IT!!!!! This is really good! . . you’ll all love it, I know! . . It’s catchy, it’s witty, it’s got great rhythmic legs, it has a sense of solid repetition with just the right touch of contrasting meter . . .

It’s just . . RIGHT! That’s what it is!


The SECOND theme from Mahler’s Symphony No. 6, First Movement!!!!!

It’s stunning!

Go for it gang! Who’s gonna be first!?! . . .

#468. Posted by: davidrh at March 31, 2008 3:03 PM

@467. Posted by: ANON2

"It's the end of this website - as we knew it."

LoL! Crude, but filled with some truth!

Mac - Is it not possible to start a S4 Hiatus thread?

I only mention this while looking at it from an archival/logistics perspective.

There is lots of time to kill, and filling the "Meet Kevin Johnson" thread just seems wrong. A large amount of comments for this episode is misleading - it suggests that there is lots to talk about, when in fact, the episode really wasn't that great.

I'm all for mindless banter - there is a strong community here - just maybe somewhere else?

#469. Posted by: shikotee at March 31, 2008 3:04 PM

@ davidrh - 469
Not everyone... I've never heard that before.

Good idea... but may I suggest something a little more "neutral"?

#470. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at March 31, 2008 3:46 PM

This is from a background actor (extra) that is in the next episode - and it definitely gets the dreaded spoiler tags. Some nice insight tho.

**** SPOILERS ****
**** SPOILERS ****

#471. Posted by: MorBid0 at March 31, 2008 3:55 PM

Long time reader, first time poster.

ILBLXX - "Mr. Friendly (Tom):
She wore an itsy, bitsy, teenie, weenie, yellow polka-dot bikini
That she wore for the first time today
An itsy, bitsy, teentie, weenie, yellow polka-dot bikini
But I don't care, since I'm GAY."

RE: that was very funny. you kept me laughing for a while.

Everyone's posts are very interesting.

I asked my husband if he will be my constant the other day. He wasn't sure what i was talking about.

#472. Posted by: Penny_Nickel at March 31, 2008 3:56 PM

Ah the naivety of youth...still sweet and innocent is our ILBLxoxo.

I believe our beloved davidrh was being facetious. Sarcastic. Looney. Funny. Not serious. Jovial even.

Do correct me if I'm wrong super-dave...

#473. Posted by: JoePike at March 31, 2008 3:58 PM

I can't believe our beloved davidrh was being facetious. Which BTW is one of only 2 words in the English language with all 5 vowels in order.

Now if he had said Mrs. Mahler's First Movement lovingly titled, "Der Flatusmaus" I might've been suspicious.

#474. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 31, 2008 4:36 PM

"It's the end of this website - as we knew it."
→ 467. Posted by: ANON2
Well said.
→ 468. Posted by: davidrh


#475. Posted by: lovelost at March 31, 2008 5:42 PM of only 2 words in the English language with all 5 vowels in order.
→ 475. Posted by: ransomjackson

While most of the above could hardly be characterized as abstenious, the latest trend is definitely toward the verbose.

#476. Posted by: lovelost at March 31, 2008 6:03 PM


Hmm ... both "abstentious" and "abstemious" seem to fit the bill ... does that make three? Any other a-e-ious words out there?

#477. Posted by: ealgumby at March 31, 2008 6:18 PM

zzzxxxxwheeeeeewwwzzzzz txczz-ch zzzzbuuuuzzzzzzt zt ztztz xtxt . .

That’s the sound of our lights
going out . . .

Good night Mary-Ellen . .

Goodnight Gramps . . .

Goodnight John-boy . . .




#478. Posted by: davidrh at March 31, 2008 6:18 PM

→ 458. ealgumby: I seriously question the premise that things were so much "better" in the good old days, and that mankind has really changed much in the past century; technological advances haven't changes peoples' nature.

AKA "The more things change, the more they stay the same." All technology has done for us is to enable us to do whatever it is we're doing—good or bad—on a larger scale & w/more impact—also good or bad.

→ 461. ilovebenjaminlinusxx: Cute & creative...& don't worry about not being able to get the peanuts open. They were probably stale anyway.

→ 462. ealgumby: Re Eddie Vedder:

*Awesome* song! That's one that demands to be cranked up to steering-wheel-rattling volume.

The songs you referenced brought to mind the following quote:

Will you take me with you where you go? Is there a place for me among the summer stars?
—Guy Gavriel Kay, The Darkest Road

→ 466. Posted by: Scooby-Dude: R.E.M. song:

That was the answer to one of my Jeopardy! questions. Now I always smile when I hear that song. : )

Okay, here's a LOST-related question. Have too many characters died during the course of the show? That is, has there been gratuitous killing, or has each death served a purpose?

#479. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 31, 2008 11:11 PM

Over on "lostreview-dot-com" there is an article from CNN that LOST IS BEING CANCELLED because of low ratings. There's also "actor interviews" with SMOKEY and EYE PATCHY . . .

That's right folks . . it's April Fools Day!

#480. Posted by: davidrh at April 1, 2008 7:42 AM

Smokie's a Girl !!!

Just confirmed on ABC !!!

Oops..... *** Spoiler **

darn monitor fell over again.

#481. Posted by: SamFin at April 1, 2008 8:29 AM

@ Alaïs_Longthought - 480
Thanks =]

I still can't open those peanuts though.

Well, Locke said that the island "demanded" Boone to be a sacrifice.... if that's true... then that was probably a purpose.

So why did smokey kill Eko?

Is it just me or has the blog just died after this episode. By this time we'd have over 1000 posts. I guess everyone decided they have lives.

So much happened in this episode, but for some reason it's not causing much discussion. I guess it's questions that we actually want since this episode actually gave us a lot of answers.

There was actually a lot I wanted to say, but I totally forgot. Maybe that happened to a lot of people.

@ Penny_Nickel - 473
Thanks, but sorry -- you didn't capitalize your I's and I found a few other painful gramatical errors.

I know you were just being nice, but posts like that are painful for me to read.

@ davidrh and JoePike
-- I'm so confused. =/

Photoshop is so boring.

#482. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 1, 2008 11:47 AM


@484 ilovebenjaminlinusxx "Is it just me or has the blog just died after this episode?"

Yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe 'cuz there is such a long delay between episodes... I haven't felt the urge to discuss anything, either... we'll have to see how the new episode sparks discussion. However, I have been reading some posts here and there (obviously)...

Now, if I knew for certain if I was or wasn't on the special list of yours... maybe that would keep me interested!!


Photoshop is awesome - pay attention in class!! haha.


#483. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at April 1, 2008 1:37 PM

→ 480. Alaïs_Longthought
"Okay, here's a LOST-related question. Have too many characters died during the course of the show? That is, has there been gratuitous killing, or has each death served a purpose?"


I think the only gratuitous killings have been Nikki and Paolo. Totally in response to fan if the producers/writers wished they had just never introduced those characters.

I will also say I think an extraordinary amount of 'regular' cast members have bit the bullet as compared to other prime time dramas. I still wish Youalleverybody-Chuck was around. And was fun watching her grow up and hook up with Sayid. And she was scorchingly HOT. And Mr. Eko- helluva back story and such a multi-layered character.

It's hard to watch some of the old previous season's episodes without thinking 'what's the point' during some of the flashbacks. Boone and Shannon for example. And Anna-Lucia. I mean sure, it's cool to see how all the Losties have been interconnected before the island, but why even have so many of the Tailies survive if only Bernard and Cindy and her Scarf were gonna be around for the duration?

I'm not complaining. I love the show and think the writing has been brilliant so far. But to answer your final question, I don't think every death has served a purpose. Some were for simple shock value, some were the result of troublesome actors, some were just to thin the character-herd.

But on the other hand, many deaths (like Charlie and Eko and Libby...) most likely DID serve a bigger purpose that is slowly being revealed.


Wow, that was a little heavy for a post this late in the game during a season hiatus. Let me get back off topic by saying you should check out 2 of my current favorite female singers - Kina Grannis and Schuyler Fisk. (kinagrannis*com & schuylerfisk*com) Really really good acoustic-geetar-pop. They're playing a show together by coincidence on Thursday 4/3 at the Hotel Cafe in Hollywood CA. Which doesn't help me much since I'm stuck in bloody Ohio!

#484. Posted by: JoePike at April 1, 2008 3:40 PM

@ Mr_Naysayer - 485
"Now, if I knew for certain if I was or wasn't on the special list of yours... maybe that would keep me interested!!"

What would you do if I told you that you were?; What would you do if I told you you weren't?

"Photoshop is awesome - pay attention in class!! haha."

I do pay attention. I have nothing against PHOTOSHOP as in the program, but my teacher is boring and it doesn't help that she hates me. Then when I asked her why she hates me so much, she replied, "Well, I like your friend Heather." I'm like, "Great." Everybody was like, "Wow, that's cold."

@ JoePike - 486
I just went to Ohio. The peanut crisis occurred during my return... weird.

#485. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 1, 2008 5:46 PM

When I was in high school, we didn't have no fancy schmancy drinking fountains. If we were thirsty, we had to smash together our own hydrogen and oxygen molecules.

And we dint have no stinkin' calculators either. We added by counting our fingers and toes. Subtraction? we cut some off.

Yeah, we had Photoshop too.

But we did ours with stone tablets and hammers and chisels.

And to stop our boulder-wheel cars (what? I'm not that old...we had wheels) we had to scrape our feet on the ground. That's why so many of my friends could only count to eight.

Wait...scrape our feet...four toes...Lost statue...y'think? Hmmm.....

#486. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 1, 2008 8:20 PM

Courtesy of the “Museum of Hoaxes,” here are the Top Ten April Fool’s Day Hoaxes of all time, as judged by notoriety, absurdity, and number of people duped.

#1: The Swiss Spaghetti Harvest
In 1957 the respected BBC news show Panorama announced that thanks to a very mild winter and the virtual elimination of the dreaded spaghetti weevil, Swiss farmers were enjoying a bumper spaghetti crop. It accompanied this announcement with footage of Swiss peasants pulling strands of spaghetti down from trees. Huge numbers of viewers were taken in. Many called the BBC wanting to know how they could grow their own spaghetti tree. To this the BBC diplomatically replied that they should "place a sprig of spaghetti in a tin of tomato sauce and hope for the best."

#2: Sidd Finch
In its April 1985 edition, Sports Illustrated published a story about a new rookie pitcher who planned to play for the Mets. His name was Sidd Finch, and he could reportedly throw a baseball at 168 mph with pinpoint accuracy. This was 65 mph faster than the previous record. Surprisingly, Sidd Finch had never even played the game before. Instead, he had mastered the "art of the pitch" in a Tibetan monastery under the guidance of the "great poet-saint Lama Milaraspa." Mets fans celebrated their teams' amazing luck at having found such a gifted player, and Sports Illustrated was flooded with requests for more information. But in reality this legendary player only existed in the imagination of the author of the article, George Plimpton.

#3: Instant Color TV
In 1962 there was only one tv channel in Sweden, and it broadcast in black and white. The station's technical expert, Kjell Stensson, appeared on the news to announce that, thanks to a new technology, viewers could convert their existing sets to display color reception. All they had to do was pull a nylon stocking over their tv screen. Stensson proceeded to demonstrate the process. Thousands of people were taken in. Regular color broadcasts only commenced in Sweden on April 1, 1970.

#4: The Taco Liberty Bell
In 1996 the Taco Bell Corporation announced that it had bought the Liberty Bell and was renaming it the Taco Liberty Bell. Hundreds of outraged citizens called the National Historic Park in Philadelphia where the bell was housed to express their anger. Their nerves were only calmed when Taco Bell revealed, a few hours later, that it was all a practical joke. The best line of the day came when White House press secretary Mike McCurry was asked about the sale. Thinking on his feet, he responded that the Lincoln Memorial had also been sold. It would now be known as the Ford Lincoln Mercury Memorial.

#5: San Serriffe
In 1977 the British newspaper The Guardian published a special seven-page supplement devoted to San Serriffe, a small republic located in the Indian Ocean consisting of several semi-colon-shaped islands. A series of articles affectionately described the geography and culture of this obscure nation. Its two main islands were named Upper Caisse and Lower Caisse. Its capital was Bodoni, and its leader was General Pica. The Guardian's phones rang all day as readers sought more information about the idyllic holiday spot. Few noticed that everything about the island was named after printer's terminology. The success of this hoax is widely credited with launching the enthusiasm for April Foolery that gripped the British tabloids in subsequent decades.

#6: Nixon for President
In 1992 National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation program announced that Richard Nixon, in a surprise move, was running for President again. His new campaign slogan was, "I didn't do anything wrong, and I won't do it again." Accompanying this announcement were audio clips of Nixon delivering his candidacy speech. Listeners responded viscerally to the announcement, flooding the show with calls expressing shock and outrage. Only during the second half of the show did the host John Hockenberry reveal that the announcement was a practical joke. Nixon's voice was impersonated by comedian Rich Little.

#7: Alabama Changes the Value of Pi
The April 1998 issue of the New Mexicans for Science and Reason newsletter contained an article claiming that the Alabama state legislature had voted to change the value of the mathematical constant pi from 3.14159 to the 'Biblical value' of 3.0. Before long the article had made its way onto the internet, and then it rapidly made its way around the world, forwarded by people in their email. It only became apparent how far the article had spread when the Alabama legislature began receiving hundreds of calls from people protesting the legislation. The original article, which was intended as a parody of legislative attempts to circumscribe the teaching of evolution, was written by a physicist named Mark Boslough.

#8: The Left-Handed Whopper
In 1998 Burger King published a full page advertisement in USA Today announcing the introduction of a new item to their menu: a "Left-Handed Whopper" specially designed for the 32 million left-handed Americans. According to the advertisement, the new whopper included the same ingredients as the original Whopper (lettuce, tomato, hamburger patty, etc.), but all the condiments were rotated 180 degrees for the benefit of their left-handed customers. The following day Burger King issued a follow-up release revealing that although the Left-Handed Whopper was a hoax, thousands of customers had gone into restaurants to request the new sandwich. Simultaneously, according to the press release, "many others requested their own 'right handed' version."

#9: Hotheaded Naked Ice Borers
In its April 1995 issue Discover Magazine announced that the highly respected wildlife biologist Dr. Aprile Pazzo had discovered a new species in Antarctica: the hotheaded naked ice borer. These fascinating creatures had bony plates on their heads that, fed by numerous blood vessels, could become burning hot, allowing the animals to bore through ice at high speeds. They used this ability to hunt penguins, melting the ice beneath the penguins and causing them to sink downwards into the resulting slush where the hotheads consumed them. After much research, Dr. Pazzo theorized that the hotheads might have been responsible for the mysterious disappearance of noted Antarctic explorer Philippe Poisson in 1837. "To the ice borers, he would have looked like a penguin," the article quoted her as saying. Discover received more mail in response to this article than they had received for any other article in their history.

#10: Planetary Alignment Decreases Gravity
In 1976 the British astronomer Patrick Moore announced on BBC Radio 2 that at 9:47 AM a once-in-a-lifetime astronomical event was going to occur that listeners could experience in their very own homes. The planet Pluto would pass behind Jupiter, temporarily causing a gravitational alignment that would counteract and lessen the Earth's own gravity. Moore told his listeners that if they jumped in the air at the exact moment that this planetary alignment occurred, they would experience a strange floating sensation. When 9:47 AM arrived, BBC2 began to receive hundreds of phone calls from listeners claiming to have felt the sensation. One woman even reported that she and her eleven friends had risen from their chairs and floated around the room.

#487. Posted by: Clementine at April 1, 2008 10:20 PM

BTW, if we play Fantasy Football again, I call dibs on the name "Hotheaded Naked Ice Borers"

#488. Posted by: Clementine at April 1, 2008 10:26 PM

→ 487. Clementine: April Fools' Day pranks:

Thanks, Clementine! Those were pretty funny. The spaghetti tree reminded me of the hazing that the kitchen staff used to do to the new busboys at the restaurant where I used to work...two of the favorite items they'd be sent to the cellar to get were the left-handed spaghetti bender & the canned steam.

It's not the meek who will inherit the earth; it's the stupid. ; )

#489. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 2, 2008 7:47 AM

→ 485. ILBLxoxo
"I just went to Ohio. The peanut crisis occurred during my return... weird."

Oh, geeze, sorry about that. GOTCHA! That was an early April Fools joke we Ohioans played on all of the airline travelers who recently passed through the Buckeye state. We switched the normal peanuts on all aircraft with "impenetrable-wrapper" peanuts.

Let me tell you, this little prank has been such a boon to the Ohio economy...all of those old, worthless, dusty, abandoned factories are temporarily re-opened in January of each year to start the production of these too-tough peanut wrappers. So many jobs many people put back to least from Jan. to March each year for our little April Fool's Airline Impenetrable Peanut Wrapper Prank.

Sorry you were one of our victims. Don't'll look back on this experience someday and laugh. Most likely as you're eating peanuts from a jar!

#490. Posted by: JoePike at April 2, 2008 8:52 AM

@487 Clementine relayed April Fools' Day pranks:

>#1: The Swiss Spaghetti Harvest

Reminds me of my college days when we used to tell the Yankee students what a lovely sight it was when the grit bushes bloomed, and give them directions down twisty turny country roads to see the sight for themselves. Guanteed to get them lost.

#491. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 2, 2008 9:20 AM

Being a Yank myself I'm wondering...are those the kind of grit bushes you can kiss?

#492. Posted by: JoePike at April 2, 2008 10:45 AM


What happens to the freighter? What happens to the freighties?

The recent episodes have implied that there might be no freighter in the future – or at the time that the Oceanic 6 are back on the mainland. Why wouldn’t Matthew Abaddon just talk to the people that he contracted with for the mission? Or, why wouldn’t he just question the freighties, after all, they are working for the same person – Widmore. Why do we see Abaddon pumping (the O6) Hurley for information - - “Are they still alive?”

That brings us to the question: How did the O6 get back? The writers are doing one heck of a job if we cannot even make a guess on something that is to be revealed in about one month. Hmmmm.

#493. Posted by: JT at April 2, 2008 11:57 AM

JT brings up a good point…

My $0.02…my SWAG only - no spoiler tags need apply.

Michael (via Ben's Acme bomb) or Sayid (laser-like gaze) or Des (one toilet flush too many) cause the freighter to spring a leak after, say, one helicopter rescue mission to the island brings three or four more Losties to the ship.

Realizing his ship is foundering, Captain Gault sends out a Mayday SOS ASAP. The S.S. Minnow and the S.S. Californian pass meekly by as another ship (probably owned by Paik Industries) saves the crew and passengers.

Ticker tape parades, the late night talk-show circuit, low speed car chases, and poorly executed federal trials follow.

#494. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 2, 2008 2:20 PM

@ JoePike - 490
Really? That's weird. Because it wasn't even on April 1st. That happened on March 30th.

Cruel people.

I just went home thinking everyone in Ohio is WAYYY too nice (in a good way). But now they seem mean on the inside.

It was weird because I was the only one in signt that could not open their bag of peanuts. You have NO IDEA how fustrating that is.

I didn't even have anyone to open them for me. No family or anyone else I knew except for the girl next to me that probably thought I was some kind of druggie because of how annoyed I got with it and because I was eating a massive amount of tic tacs at one time... and the Flight Attendant looked like she was about to murder someone, so I didn't really want to piss her off any more.

I assume what you said was an April Fools joke. Haha. You almost got me. =]

@ JT
Justin Timberlake is one of a kind.

#495. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 2, 2008 4:43 PM

Long time reader, first time poster from NZ. Love reading Mac's posts, and everyone's comments/theories/ideas.

I noticed in this episode that Ben and Danielle both have/had blue eyes, whereas Alex's eyes are brown. This may just be due to casting these particular actors, but I think we know by now that the writers are pretty clever. From way back in the mists of time when I was at high school I learnt that it is impossible for two blue eyed people to have a brown eyed child. So Ben should not (by rights) be Alex's biological father.

Or maybe I'm talking through a hole in my head, and it's already been established several seasons ago that he's not.


Keep up the good work everyone.

#496. Posted by: Kiwi J9 at April 2, 2008 5:09 PM

@ ealgumby/442
Nope - never saw Chef America "Battle Rabbit" - thank God!

@ Cecil Rose/455
Oh... mah... gawd... Now THAT's a lot of bunny to love!
(Oh and hate the fact Tennessee guys didn't make it. There's still hope for the Lady Vols though! GO VOLS!!!)

@ MorBid0/456
"Bunny... the other Other white meat!"
Okay - that was funny, but you're pushing it.

#497. Posted by: BunnyLover at April 2, 2008 5:32 PM

@ Kiwi J9 - 496
First off, it has been established that Ben is NOT Alex's biological father. He just raised her. Knowing LOST., anything can be possible, but knowing the facts, he can not be.

Second of all, it IS in fact possible for two brown-eyed people to have a blue-eyed child. It's called a RECESSIVE trait. May not be the dominant, but it's still there. Most likely if that is the case, one of the grandparents had blue eyes and when they gave it to their children, it became a recessive trait.

I'm not a biologist or a doctor or genetics person or anything, but apprently you had High School a LONG TIME AGO.

I believe I said that quite nicely. Right everyone?

#498. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 2, 2008 5:43 PM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx - 498

I agree with you entirely - it is possible for two brown eyed people to have a blue eyed child. But you didn't read my post properly - that was not what I said.

I said that two BLUE eyed people cannot have a BROWN eyed child.

And I also acknowledged that the fact of Alex's parentage may already have been addressed. But who can remember every single little fact with all the brain bamboozling amazingly cool stuff that goes on in Lost - certainly not me :) Or maybe it's just my really old brain not coping with all the paradoxes/questions/uncertainties/gob-smackingly unexpected twists and turns.

Hope I said that nicely enough :)

#499. Posted by: Kiwi J9 at April 2, 2008 6:50 PM

→ 499. Kiwi J9: Eye color & genetics:

Exactly so. It is not possible for two blue-eyed people to have a brown-eyed child. I suppose there could be a spontaneous mutation on the gene controlling eye color, but in general bb x bb does not equal BB or Bb. At least that's how I learned it in high school lo these many years ago. ; )

As far as Ben's parentage of Alex, it's "adoptive" only. Alex's biological father was Robert, one of the scientists on the same expedition as Danielle. I really can't imagine how the writers would make Ben be Robert.

BTW, welcome to the blog! There's at least one other Kiwi here. My daughter & I spent two weeks in NZ in 2006 & fell in love. Tony Bennett may have left his heart in San Francisco, but we left ours in NZ. ; ) Miss Longthought is already scheming to spend a year as a high school exchange student in a few years!

#500. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 2, 2008 7:18 PM

@ Kiwi J9 - 499
Oh true. My bad.

Aren't brown eyes dominant?

I'm really confused.

I'm taking AP Bio next year... At this point, I'm surprised I passed Honors Bio last year.



I think I read it right, but I thought it wrong.

Wow, that just confused me even more.

By the way... I remember quite a significant amount of information. Probably because I watch every episode multiple amounts of times. And between seasons, I re-watch past seasons.

Well, I think I only did that before this season... but yeah.

LOSTPEDIA is also a good help.

LOSTPEDIA = Life. =]

My head hurts. Spanish sucks.

#501. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 2, 2008 7:28 PM

I meant the class Spanish sucks... not the language. (Incase anyone got offended)

#502. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 2, 2008 7:34 PM

Hey, RNM, if you’re still looking for a prom date, check out “Lost Lines Contest: RNM Claims the Prize.” You’re developing quite the fan club! And I think they’re speaking “Scarf”! :)

#503. Posted by: Clementine at April 2, 2008 9:58 PM


"We're Gonna Need A Bigger Blog!"

#504. Posted by: MorBid0 at April 2, 2008 11:15 PM

more room mostly for DarrellAnn & davidrh

#505. Posted by: MorBid0 at April 2, 2008 11:21 PM

I hope in Smokie's next appearance they bring back the prehistoric inhuman terrifying WAAAAAAIIIIIILLLL. And the pounding on the ground like some 100 foot tall beast. And the sound of the mechanical chains. You know, do it up real dramatic-like.

#506. Posted by: JoePike at April 3, 2008 8:58 AM

@492 JoePike asked:

>Being a Yank myself I'm wondering...are those the kind of grit bushes you can kiss?

If they're gritty, *I* wouldn't kiss them. YMMV.

#507. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 3, 2008 9:53 AM

Jeff Jensen posted a three page review of Lost
- - -,,20188031,00.html

#508. Posted by: ANON2 at April 3, 2008 10:54 AM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx and kiwi re eyes:
Isn't the more important question whether somone with bug-eyes can beget a non-bug-eyed child?

What's up, doc?

@ANON2, davidrh, shikotee, lovelost
Note to self: No more songwriting

@Alaïs_Longthought and others
Interesting how we have so many game show contestants on here. I wonder what game show best captures the Lost experience. Family Feud? Wheel of Fortune? Jeopardy?

Great April Fool's Day hoaxes, thx.

Re Miss/Guided posts a while back:
If you like that show, check out Samantha Who. Great show, not just because Samantha stars Christina Applegate, daughter of Peg Bundy aka Katey Sagal aka Locke gal pal Helen. Trying desperately to keep this Lost-related.

One more actor aside. Since Jack was married to Julie Bowen off-island, I propose we rename the off-island world Stuckeyville.

#509. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at April 3, 2008 12:43 PM

Has anyone seen New Amsterdam? That show is definitely in my top 4 [along with LOST (which wins by a mile in spot #1), House, and One Tree Hill]

Me gusta. =]

#510. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 3, 2008 4:22 PM

@ Scooby-Dude That is the more important question. And I can tell you from first hand experience that a bug eye can beget a non-bug eye child. Granted my son's eyes are a little large for his face, but not what you would call bug eye.

#511. Posted by: xanadude at April 3, 2008 5:06 PM


I agree with some of the basic premises, but ... the story lacks explanations of some of the lingering issues.

Won't get into details now ... some (if not all) of the O6 return to the island eventually ... massive evacuation of survivors commences ... to from the island on storm-dodging choppers ... comes down to the last few, Jack among them ... island's "correction" mechanism fails (Casimir effect generator or whatever ... we'll certainly have Faraday around to "explain" it) ... "Sophie's Choice" arises regarding last two flights out ... those on first flight will make it, those on second flight? Proper "course" to the island may be too messed up for anyone to risk making it, but last "bold" flightees try to make it nonetheless ... they end up far in the past, on the island ... some couple in the small group (Adam/Eve) end up getting killed by Black Rock survivors, also thrown back in time ... Jack end ups feeling guilty about what happened, and tries to kill himself ... "the island" doesn't let him ... he must set things straight first ... he becomes "immortal" Jacob, waiting, waiting, waiting, for the expected flight/crash to come, so he can "course correct" and set things right ... Adam/Eve survive, Jack (Jacob) dies ... end of series ...

#512. Posted by: ealgumby at April 3, 2008 7:38 PM should just write the actual scripts for the final season and forward them to Cuse/Lindeloff. Would save them massive amounts of time!

(Just make sure that Aussie-Wiggie-Blue Eyed-Hottie survives!)

#513. Posted by: JoePike at April 4, 2008 8:48 AM

So here's the verdict:


In OVER A DAY there was a total of ONE POST (from JoePike).

Thank you JoePike.

I keep refreshing the page waiting for someone to say something, but there's NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!

Usually there's about 3 posts within every minute. By the time I catch up to all the posts, I refresh the page, then there are over 30 more waiting for me.

It's probably because we have over a week to discuss, but at this rate, there will be no discussion. April 24th will come and there will only be 600 posts and the only posters will be me, ealgumby, JoePike, and other random people that think they know what they're talking about but really they're just noobs, so nobody responds to them.

And we probably won't even be talking about LOST!

#514. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 5, 2008 10:48 AM

Hey guys,

As long as we are off subject, here is some news that can save you some money:

I just returned from the Post Office as I needed stamps.

Currently, a first class postage stamp is 41 cents. In May, they are going up to 42 cents.

Now get this - - the stamps I have been using are the ones of the Liberty Bell. There is no marking on them as to the amount.

So I told the guy to give me 2 books of stamps and twenty one-cent stamps.
I figured to use a book before the one cent raise, then use the other
book, along with the one-cent stamps after the raise (they do not sell 42 cent stamps currently - not until the increase in May).

He told me that the Liberty Bell stamps are good forever regardless of
the cost of a first class postage stamp. In other words, when they raise the price to 42 cents, you can continue using them, even though you paid 41 cents for them. You like that? Well, check this out:

Here's the kicker (and the reason I am telling you about all of this) - the
Liberty Bell stamps are good INDEFINITELY at whatever the current cost of a first class stamp might be.

Let's say they raise the cost to 49 cents 3 years from now. If you still have the Liberty Bell stamps, you can use them. Otherwise, you'd have to pay
49 cents for them.

I bought ten books, which was $82 (41 cents per stamp, 20 stamps per book). I only had a little over $100 on me. But I am going back on Monday and buying ten more books. Heck, that might last me until I die.

So, if you can afford it, you should run out and get some of these stamps as soon as possible. Come May, they will be 42 cents, and who knows how many increases there may be after that. Share this with your friends.

Butch Marhefka
Hamilton, Ohio

Go Steelers!

#515. Posted by: ButchM at April 5, 2008 11:56 AM

This royal throne of kings, this scept'red isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this [Lostland],

Shakespeare, Richard II, Act II, scene i, lines 40-50 (amended)

#516. Posted by: ealgumby at April 5, 2008 10:09 PM

Perhaps one of the writers stumbled across this bit of prose as did I ... perhaps not ... eerily prescient either way ...

#517. Posted by: ealgumby at April 5, 2008 10:25 PM

Shakespeare died on his birthday.

#518. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 5, 2008 11:12 PM

→ 516. ealgumby: Shakespeare quote:

That's one of my favorite Shakespearean quotes...I can't help but get a lump in my throat when I hear it (especially if it's someone like Patrick Stewart reciting it). Hail Britannia!

So which Shakespearean character matches up w/which LOST character?

#519. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 5, 2008 11:27 PM

→ 518. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx
a. Shakespeare died on his birthday.
- - - - - -
Oddly enough.
b. Shakespeare was born on his birthday,
c. Shakespeare was born on his day of death, and
d. Shakespeare died on his day of death.
- - - - - -
uuuh... eerie. They were ALL the same date - different year. what are the chances of that? One in 365? Coincidence? (I think not). Another Lost mystery. 8^o

#520. Posted by: ANON2 at April 6, 2008 1:23 AM

I am always amazed at the amount of literary references in Lost. It does not surprise me (in fact, it may disappoint me if it were not the case) that Shakespeare is one of the creator's inspirations.

Namaste and NOIS

#521. Posted by: Not an Other at April 6, 2008 11:38 AM

Butch M??? Is that really you? Good to have ya back. I'll go buy stamps this week.

I am back in season 2 now, and spending more time reading posts, rewatching episodes, etc. I came across GatorGal's first post. Man, she called this one!!!

The Sawyer/Locke connection ...

I believe that Locke's father is the man that conned Sawyer's family; the one he has been searching for his whole life and wants to seek revenge on. Remember, in this week's episode (#3) when Locke's dad asks Locke, "What's wrong? Haven't you ever been conned before? Get over it."

Anyway, just my theory ....

→ 11. Posted by: GatorGal at October 6, 2005 2:55 PM

#522. Posted by: meg at April 6, 2008 5:07 PM

→ 522. meg: GatorGal's Locke/Sawyer/Cooper post:

Ding ding ding ding! There must be some sort of Filmfodder award for that...

#523. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 6, 2008 5:46 PM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx / 514

It's probably because we have over a week to discuss, but at this rate, there will be no discussion. April 24th will come and there will only be 600 posts and the only posters will be me, ealgumby, JoePike, and other random people that think they know what they're talking about but really they're just noobs, so nobody responds to them.

Gee. After 60 years I finally found out who I was, a noobs?.
Not to worry, I won’t be jumping in a hogging your posting space any time soon.

#524. Posted by: SamFin at April 6, 2008 7:42 PM

@ SamFin - 524
I wasn't calling you a noob! It was just that me, ealgumby, and JoePike were the only three people that were posting... and them some other random people that nobody knows.

You haven't said something in a while!

#525. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 6, 2008 9:28 PM

@SamFin - I am a noob too.....and you know what?? I can accept it. It's taken me all of 40 years to realize that I won't always be one of the cool kids....but, hey...usually I AM! :)

Mac - is there a reason you turned off the posting option in season 1 and 2?? Was I getting a bit much for you to handle...LOL

#526. Posted by: meg at April 6, 2008 9:30 PM

I belive mac turned off the posting option on the older blogs because the spammers were beginnign to fill them up.


The post office would lovee for you to buy up a bunch of the forever stamps and hold on to them forever (while they earn interest on your money). Only makes sense if you belive stamps are going up faster than inflation - hint (they're not).

#527. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 7, 2008 4:17 PM

Is anyone else bugged by the fact the "island" can now cast its power across the globe to Michael in NY to stop the laws of physics and free will by not having a loaded gun fire, or massive injuries from a car wreck kill a person?

#528. Posted by: welh at April 7, 2008 5:56 PM

@Cecil Rose/527

"Only makes sense if you belive stamps are going up faster than inflation - hint (they're not)."

Quite true (and now by law), and not only that, but a relative bargain in the western world ...

With so much correspondence previously handled by USPS going electronic, from bill payment to personal e-cards/e-mail, they probably figure some who Y2K-stock now will still have piles of stamps left 20 years from now ... unless inflation quickly shoots through the roof and salaries lag far behind for an extended period (not entirely inconceivable), most likely a wash.

#529. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 5:59 PM


"Is anyone else bugged by the fact the 'island' can now cast its power across the globe to Michael in NY to stop the laws of physics and free will by not having a loaded gun fire, or massive injuries from a car wreck kill a person?"

I concur ... production liberty overstepping its bounds? I bought off on the producers sticking to their rational explanation promise (barely), with the (more or less) confirmed "backward time-travel is theoretically possible as long as paradoxes are avoided via Novikov Principle" angle. However, I do not buy into the "island" causing things to happen, and am still not sure that's really the writers'/producers' intent (hopefully not). It sure is coming across that way though ...

#530. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 6:21 PM


One more point on this ... not trying to raise a dead horse ... I stick to my premise that whatever mythology the writers' pick is fine, as long as they are consistent to it. I haven't yet seen that they are not, just hints around the edges. Of course, that could just be to rile the sticklers out there in the audience, and most likely is ... I'm sure they get a kick out of people bitchin' about such things, only to reel them back in later (after being well played out). Hook, line, sinker.

#531. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 6:32 PM

Call me late in the game for asking this, but is Aaron supposed to be "Kate's" child? If not biologically, then why (to an accused murderer)?

As Aaron has now been established as one of the O6 (don't even want to start this debate again), how the hell is he supposed to be Kate's baby? If conceived on-island (ostensibly w/ Jack, ?), then how is it that Aaron is one of the O6, yet Ji Yeon isn't born until the expected term after their "rescue?"

The only conventional "explanation" is that Kate was already pregnant with Aaron pre-flight (ala Claire's term), but if this were the case, surely Marshall Mars would've noticed/reported this. That was certainly not the case (and too big of an oversight to ignore).

This leads me to an alternate (and I'd like to hear arguments against it!) solution ... the O6 arrived off-island well past early 2005 (say late 2005 or early 2006) due to time-travel issues (it is never established in the "Eggtown" court scenes when they were "rescued").

Before you poo-poo me too quickly, think about it ... let's say they leave the island fairly "soon" in the timeline of the show, say January 2005. Yet they "arrive" off-island (due to wrong course, et al) in late 2005! Rather than try to explain the time travel, they (the O6) stick to the story that they were stranded on-island until then ... i.e., Kate got pregnant on the island (maybe from Sawyer or some other "non-survivor" if not Jack?), gave birth mid-2005 on-island, and Sun got pregnant via someone other than Jin (maybe supposedly Hurley ... justified by Jin's "death" in the crash) shortly before they were "rescued?"

It makes sense timeline-wise! I know, Lostpedia has Sun giving birth mid-2005, but Lostpedia is NOT canon. Their estimate is based on the O6 getting off-island in the time frame that would "conventionally" make sense for her giving birth ... the only problem is it doesn't explain Kate "legitimately" being Aaron's mom (and a big problem it is!).

I contend the O6 left the island in early 2005, but did not "officially" get rescued until much later (late 2005/early 2006), due to a time-travel issue. This may help explain other off-island issues as well ...

#532. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 7:44 PM

Howdy, ButchM/515

Miss seeing you around these here parts, pardner!

Go Steelers!

#533. Posted by: Clementine at April 7, 2008 7:45 PM

BTW ... Sayid can fly the chopper ... probably just him and the remainder of the O6 on the helicopter when they left the island ... went through a "time anomaly" on the way out, and wound up on the other side several months later; crash landed in the ocean, piled into raft, and rescued with no sign of the helo. When they learned of their "rescue date," they needed an explanation that wouldn't give up the island's secrets (and probably acted befuddled due to "losing track of time on the island"), so settled on the lie that they had been there much longer than in reality ...

#534. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 7:54 PM

Why does Lostpedia so definitively establish Sun's giving birth as July 2005? I do not believe it ...

#535. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 10:03 PM

davidrh (and Chalmers) ...

Way to go with the win!

Damn, your guys got lucky there at the end though (come on, ya have to admit) ...

#536. Posted by: ealgumby at April 7, 2008 11:55 PM

Poor free throw shooting will kill ya! As for Aaron being Kate's bioligically, or otherwise, I can't make it make any sense either. Hopefully this is something they will go into soon.

Namaste and NOIS

#537. Posted by: Not an Other at April 8, 2008 12:25 AM

Re my Kate/Aaron-Sun/Ji Yeon theory ...

Someone told me Lostpedia gets the July 2005 birth date from the label on the bag with Sun's ring. So, I took a pic of the bag/label to the Korean deli near my work, and had the owner translate it for me ... the first line says "client" (i.e., patient) followed by Sun's name, and the bottom line says "nurse" followed by (I assume) her nurse's name; there is no date on the label.

This makes sense to me. If I am right, they wouldn't be so obvious as to put "January 2006" or some other unexpectedly late date on the bag; they would not post a date, as is the case, to maintain the mystery. Of course this doesn't prove it ISN'T July 2005 when she gives birth, but does not confirm it as some people apparently think. This would be consistent with the writers "surprising" us later with the revelation that the O6 were rescued much later than most viewers (and Lostpedia) believe.

Other parts of the puzzle are (IMO) also coming into place as well ...

First of all, why did they say eight originally survived? My guess is that there needed to be an explanation for "Kate's" baby Aaron, and Sun's pregnancy ... both are neatly explained by "fathers" who subsequently died, leaving no paternity issues for Kate/Sun (as would be the case, if as I previously suggested, Jack/Hurley might be the "fathers").

Jack cannot, even by the lie, be Aaron's father, because they would've immediately given custody of Aaron to doctor Jack, rather than indicted criminal Kate; but if the "father" were supposedly dead, she could retain custody until trial. Hurley doesn't make sense as the "fake" father of Ji Yeon, because he's obviously not involved enough in Sun's life; once again, a conveniently "dead" father makes more sense.

Hence, the lie that eight survived the crash ... they needed "fathers" to explain the babies. Why wouldn't Sun have said Jin was the father, and later died as one of the two? I don't know ... perhaps in the heat of the moment after rescue, in the process of formulating the lie, she inadvertently mentioned that he had died in the crash ... or perhaps, the two "dead" were actually recovered bodies, obviously neither of whom were Jin. In either case, Aaron's supposed father had to be someone with no family, or Kate would risk losing custody to them ... who fits that bill? Methinks Sawyer. Sun's supposed lover? Do not know.

Second ... why doesn't Sun wear her ring, and why weren't her parents present at Ji Yeon's birth? Again, this makes perfect sense if my theory is correct. Sun would've explained her pregnancy as the result of a relationship with the "dead" father post-crash. Mr. Paik is probably aware that Jin was "infertile" anyway (dude has connections everywhere), so would tend to believe he was not the father; Sun's pregnancy would then likely be seen as a family disgrace. Hence, the absence of Sun's parents at Ji Yeon's birth. Likewise, having given birth to another man's child, Sun might not be so bold as to wear her Jin wedding ring in public post-birth (I suspect there would've been parental pressure involved); she only put it on when visiting his "grave" with Hurley, out of respect for her true love.

Third, remember how Jack et al were so concerned about how "long" it took for the chopper to reach the boat the first time? Now imagine they still have means of communication after the O6 left ... but never hear from them (because they "arrive" months in the future). The remaining Losties/others would've assumed them to be dead, probably not thinking they time-traveled into the future so far. This could influence a LOT of post-O6-departure drama on the part of those left behind!

This also leads me to believe (another WAG), that the O6 departure was part of some planned evacuation of the Losties (probably orchestrated by Jack), and Jin chose (?) to remain behind, thinking he'd be on the next flight out. I'm further guessing that, true to form, Locke was somehow responsible for the O6 flight running into trouble, and ending up in the future.

Fourth (and I know this is a real stretch, but bear with me for a moment), the apparent loss of the O6 flight out could've caused Jin to lose it (thinking Sun dead), and end up in either the Ben or Widmore/(Paik?) camp. Still not giving up ENTIRELY on the "Jin's FB was really a FF" theory, as this new development opens up the possibility again. Not making this the supporting basis of my theory, so don't bash the bigger theory because I suggest this option; just wanted to throw it out there, likely or not.

In synopsis ... I predict we will find that the O6 flight time-traveled into the future on the way off-island, and the subsequent lies were agreed on in order to protect (primarily) Kate/Aaron, but certainly other wrinkles yet to be revealed.

I feel pretty strongly about this one (unlike the Jin FF theory) ... nothing else make any sense timeline-wise, but this simply resolves all the troublesome issues.

Fire away ...

#538. Posted by: ealgumby at April 8, 2008 4:29 PM

Cecil Rose

Sorry I offended you ...

Note that "..." can mean a great deal of things, but why delve into them with someone who obviously has an IQ off the charts.


I think I'll stick to reading mac's reviews from now on and leave the reading and posting of the postings to others.

#539. Posted by: ButchM at April 8, 2008 4:55 PM

My only question is what would cause such a large jump in time? When Sayid, Des and Lapidus left, they were only about half a day ahead. If Faraday, during his experiment, deduced that the time discrepancy was growing, what else did he have to base it on. Meaning, Faraday would have had to do at least two experiments to notice anything getting worse. As far as we know, he has only done one. Ealgumby's theory seems to be pretty solid.

Namaste and NOIS

#540. Posted by: Not an Other at April 8, 2008 5:19 PM


Oh dude, turn that frown upside down!

Ideas are what make this blog work (as much as some may question my premise that "it's working") ... I personally found your post informative/intriguing, and might ultimately be proven the way to go. We're all better off for hearing both sides of the argument, and deciding on our own, but without hearing both sides, there's nothing to debate ...

You might think I'm a complete moron with some of my theories, but at least I might make you think, "what an idiot, hasn't he considered this ..." Thought begets inspiration/clarification, and that's good for all of us. If you don't respond with a "dude, you might be mistaken about that, because ..." then maybe other readers won't pick up on your thought, and we'll all be poorer for that potential lack of insight.

I don't really know you from "the old days," but would hate to think someone who's been spoken of so highly here would walk away due to a simple debate. I, for one, think we'd all suffer from the loss of your opinion (whether I would tend to agree with you or not ... and I don't know, do I?), and hope you reconsider your decision.

#541. Posted by: ealgumby at April 8, 2008 7:04 PM

@Not an Other/540

I will post my reply in two posts ... the first (this) for the physics geeks who want more info on the potential science, and the second for everyone else (including those who couldn't GAS about the physics) ...

Okay, I'm not suggesting the time-cone entrance path to/from the island is drifting so rapidly that the O6 end up far in the future by chance ... I'm suggesting there has been another major disruption (e.g., Locke not pushing the button), and yet another "purple sky" (sonoluminescence) incident that causes the "correct" heading from the island to change dramatically.

Remember, the "correct" heading went from 325 to 305 after the first incident ... I suggest there was a "slow" drift in that number due to the destruction of the Swan station (which is what Faraday was commenting on), most probably due to lack of calibration of the Casimir effect generator (from regular, i.e. every 108 minutes, contact with calibration satellite TEMPSAT1, which was used to adjust the field and originally keep the "correct" course at 325 degrees).

Pure speculation now, but ... before/when Desmond turned the failsafe key, the field shifted approximately ten degrees, and had been slowly drifting since then (Faraday's concern) without the 108-minute calibration.

Now, as the O6 commandeer the helicopter and leave the island with the first wave of evacuees, Locke (as he did with the sub) sabotages them and stops the backup Casimir effect generator ... inducing another 10+ degree shift in the "correct" course from the island. While the first flight out to the boat may have been "off-course" by a very small amount (induced by the drift), the O6 were WAY off course ... they took a time-cone path that netted them several months of time passed, and possibly/probably location as well (don't be surprised if they turn up just off the coast of Australia/Japan/etc. when rescued). I suggest (complete guess) that there's a another emergency backup to the failsafe Casimir effect generator in "The Temple," and that's how Ben et al gain access to/from the island after the O6 leave. I would suggest coming/going is even more sketchy time-wise after that ...

#542. Posted by: ealgumby at April 8, 2008 7:48 PM

@Not an Other/540

For those not interested in the physics, and just choose to accept it as part of the show ...

The O6 flight is sent through time because of something done (by Locke?) on the island, that changes the correct course from 305 degrees, to some significantly different number, in order to return to the same time off-island. Time-travel to/from the island is determined by the course taken when going to/from the island ... if on the exactly correct course, there is no effect, but if on the wrong course (ala the Black Rock?) there could be significant time-travel (days, months, years, centuries) depending upon how far off-course you are.

Locke (or Ben, or someone else) induces another "purple-sky" incident, and the correct course changes quite a bit (e.g., 305 to 285?) ... the O6 are on their way when this happens, and end up in the wrong time (several months in the future) as a result when they emerge from the island.

Now, the O6 are rescued many months after they "left" the island, and have to come up with some explanation. For whatever reason (Claire probably dead), Kate has taken Aaron on this first flight out (probably considered the safest by organizer Jack, hence also pregnant Sun's presence, with Jin's blessing), and upon rescue they scramble to come up with an excuse for how they are there ... the lie ... eight survived (on island where?), two daddies dead, O6 survive.

#543. Posted by: ealgumby at April 8, 2008 8:09 PM

@540 Not and Other
I think Danial did a test on the ship first and then when he saw how much different the time was on the second try on the island he was worried.

@543 / ealgumby

I think that at some point Ben has to make a deal with the losties. He his to let some people off the island in return for something. The only way he can do that is to hold some people for ransom. Sun off / Jin has to stay. Aaron off / Clair has to stay. All of the O6 have a vested interest to “not talk” or do what Ben wants off island.

My guess is Jack or losties save Ben’s life somehow in return for some people getting off island.

p.s. I think smokie is a she and way hot ! so there! Oh if only she wore only a scarf.

#544. Posted by: SamFin at April 9, 2008 10:47 AM

@ ealgumby
You're a genius. Great thoughts.

So the freighter's time is the "right time"? Because Desmond did call Penny on December 24th (I think)... and it was her time too.

Ugh... My brain hurts after this episode. I feel like I'm getting stupider because of this time gap. So sorry for my stupid comments everyone.

#545. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 9, 2008 1:40 PM


Yes, the freighter's time is normal (at least so far) as it hasn't traveled close enough to the island to be effected. The helicopter (or other means of transportation) going to/from the island potentially faces time-travel issues if off-course.

And now for something completely not Lost related (fair warning) ...

Stayed home again today, and took my dog for a walk. About an hour later, a (random?) pedestrian was gunned down within view of my house, right along my dog walking circuit. Took a walk back over there (probably not a bright move) when I noticed the police activity, and was briefly interviewed by a Baltimore Sun reporter:

(they spelled my last name wrong, but at least got "Erik" right). The police were only interested in talking to those who saw the suspect flee (I did not), so they did not talk to me.

I need to walk my dog somewhere else. About a year ago, within 100 yards of the same spot, an out-of-control car (drunk driver) careened off the road and plowed through a wooden barrier, while I was out walking my dog. Had the car come along a minute or two later, my dog and I would've been between the car and the barrier, quite dead I'm sure. Now there's a murder on the same route, about an hour after I walk by. It's a little disturbing.

#546. Posted by: ealgumby at April 9, 2008 10:18 PM

I wonder how many are still reading this thread of comments since there are so many new topics after it. A show of hands please? Ah nevermind...

Ealgumby (aka Erik...everyone forget that now!), no worries. Walk the dog as always, and don't vary from your routine. Life is course correcting to keep you and your canine out of harm's way. You would've been toast already if not!

The key question to your Kate/Aaron theories Kate trying to pass Aaron off as her bio-child or not? We just don't know yet. If so, then your theories and timelines rock. If not, then it's back to square one!

If it turns out that turnip-head is not being passed off as Kate's bio-child then the story could simply be that Jin and Claire were the other 2 survivors of the so called 8 that didn't survive. Kate claims that Claire told her to raise Aaron if anything happened to her (backed up by the other 5) to keep Aaron's Australian family at bay, and Jin could then still be Ji Yeon's papa.

The key is the timeline...we don't know how far apart Ji Yeon's birth was relative to Kate's trial, and and we also don't really know the timeline of either of those events in relation to the O6 island rescue.

So we need more info! More episodes!

#547. Posted by: JoePike at April 10, 2008 2:01 PM

@ ealgumby - 546
Thanks for the clarification.

And about the shooting... that's pretty intense. Is it really that violent there? Or that just doesn't happen very often. Hopefully you don't end up getting shot or mugged or anything of that sort.

That guy didn't seem to be smart... Smart criminals facinate me.

Just wondering... have you ever ordered a cake from Charm City Cakes? I want to... I was going to get one for my sister's 18th birthday, but my parents said no because it was too expensive. Their cheapest simplest cake they ever made was $500. Boo.

Anyway... WHO LIKES MY PORTRAIT PICTURE OF ME?!?! Nobody ever answered =[

I spent a lot of time on it... I'm quite proud of it.

Oh! We had to do this project in calc... it was drawing a picture on your graphing calculator with equations... I did Einstein. It was awesome. Turned out so good! Looks Kinda Bad on the computer though.

#548. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 10, 2008 2:12 PM

Oh yeah! I don't know if someone pointed it out already... or if everyone hates it. But uh... I was procrastinating with my homework and all, so I decided to watch the "enhanced" version of "The Beginning of the End" (Season Premire).

I don't like them too much... They give everything away before it happens.

I like being surprised... even the second time around when I already know what's going to happen. I just like to "re-experience" the suspense.

Anyway... I'm not sure if this is a **spoiler** (I doubt it), but just in case.

It said that when Matthew Abbadon visits Hurley in the mental institution, there is a chalkboard in the background. That is supposedly a clue for why he's there... or something like that.

So I, myself, noticed some things, that probably everyone else noticed earlier. I just feel like bringing it up because I don't feel like doing my homework. (By the way... I've been having half days all week because of parent-teacher conferences, so all my teachers decide to load work on us... also because today was the last day of the quarter --random.)

ANYWAY. What I noticed, but probably was not the first to notice them.

1. Why could the other dude see the apparation of Charlie as well? (I know this has been discussed before... but yeah, yo no se).

2. There were also some other random extras that went with John (in the "split"), but they never end up showing them in the barracks later.

3. I think Sawyer thinks Hurley is the closest he's got to a friend at this point, so he felt the need to be nice to him. Which is probably why he decided to let him know that he's "there for him"; and then they become roomies.

This was said in the POP ups... more on the numbers.

Hurley and Jack were playing HORSE. Jack had H-O. H is the 8th letter in the alphabet, and O is the 15th. Ya know, like Oceanic flight 815.

I'm pretty sure somoene else brought that up too.

So anyone know what was up with the chalkboard?

#549. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 10, 2008 2:24 PM

well done on the portrait!

#550. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at April 10, 2008 4:29 PM

I think this blog's time travel analysis is more thought out than the show. Faraday defined the time travel limited to consciousness only, so your body would remain in its own time/place. This statement was an attempt to avoid all the time paradox problems with time travel. If just your thoughts went back/forth, then the future would not change. However, going back will always change the future because it re-writes your knowledge of the present. Faraday himself was changed when Desmond came to see him - - - he wound up on the island instead of puttering around in his lab.

Also, I find Miles character annoying; he is supposed to be a ghost buster who can communicate with the dead. So why is his first comment to Michael that he knows he's not Kevin. I don't buy he is a psychic; he's one of Ben's people on the boat who already knows the Plan. I think Charlotte is also one of Ben's people because the bullet proof vest was too perfect to put her in sympathetic graces with the 815ers. I also think the captain already knows about Michael as being a Ben plant because he is also working for Ben. The whole freighter-invasion story line appears to be a method of creating more "fear and loathing" on the 815 camp. So with a freighter full of Ben's people, there really is no reason to bring Michael back to the island. So Ben could kill him? Michael would have killed himself in NY. So Michael could kill someone else? Ben has enough "people" to do that work, including himself.

So I think this freighter story line is a filler tangent that really is not going to answer the big Lost questions.

#551. Posted by: welh at April 10, 2008 5:35 PM

@ Scooby-Dude - 550
Thank you very much!

I told you that you were on my list right? Haha. Yeah, I did.

@ welh - 551
Good thinking. I have no objections.

Maybe he put Michael on there as an "excuse", like for the losties.

Maybe all of "his people" are the "innocent" ones. Then there's Naomi... who deserved to die.

Whatever... BOTTOM LINE: Ben is a genius.

#552. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 10, 2008 5:55 PM


Yeah, still walking the same route ... takes quite a bit to spook me, and this latest incident barely registers. If I were a cat though, I'd likely be on number 7 or 8 about now (by all rights should've probably been dead many times over ... if only I could apply that luck to the lottery ...). I MUST have "course-correction" on my side, for what ultimate purpose eludes me.

Back to Lost though, you're totally right about the timeline/Kate issues. I just think it'd be a real stretch for any legal authority to honor "Claire's final wishes" to keep Aaron with Kate, when Claire has family (her aunt, the father, ...), and Kate is a wanted criminal. The ONLY reason I can possibly think of, is that Jack claims custody as Claire's half-brother, and somehow invokes that privilege to leave Aaron in Kate's care.

Still don't buy it (any child-custody lawyers out there? Would any court grant such a thing, under the circumstances?). This possibility also does not explain why Sun's parents were not with her at Ji Yeon's birth (nor after, as far as we have seen), nor why she doesn't wear her ring after the birth. Both make much more sense under my speculative scenario.

#553. Posted by: ealgumby at April 10, 2008 8:02 PM



#554. Posted by: Clementine at April 10, 2008 9:41 PM


First of all, yes, I thoroughly enjoyed your self-portrait ... the Photoshop classes are clearly paying off! Perhaps I didn't respond earlier, because your deft overlay of Ben's visage on the shirt clearly trumps my clumsy pasting of his face on the lolly in my version. :)

Digital-image manipulation jealousy aside though, it could also just be an artifact of generational expectations. I read a management article recently (which I seem to have misplaced), explaining how younger hires expect more overt affirmation for a job well-done (due possibly to the advent of esteem-building exercises in schools), while older (yeah, me too) employees generally take lack of criticism, or a gentle nod, as enough confirmation of said (while explicit recognition might be seen as sarcastic or condescending).

The gist of the article was (as a manager) to tailor acknowledgment of achievement by one's subordinates, based upon their age, and hence expectation of support. For us older folk, it's a reminder to recognize this reality, and its place in modern societal thought (agree or otherwise). However, as you are the youngest member here ILB, you might also need to see that simple lack of confirmation by your seniors (i.e., everyone else here) does NOT imply disrespect.

I hope you see I'm not chiding you, which I am not (frankly, I find your quest for a "yeah girl, you did good!" quite endearing). I'm just trying to give you a leg up over your peers, who upon entering the business world, find themselves depressed over working for a boss who never seems to give the "atta-boy" or "atta-girl" they are expecting. Business 101, lesson 1.

Second (and I know I am rambling long, but it's what I do), it is not that violent here. We have, county-wide, a very low incidence of violent crime. There does seem to be an element associated with the local HS though (across the street from me), that want to demonstrate their thug/wannabe creds. They piss me off. This is not Compton/Camden (with apologies to anyone out there living in either of these fine municipalities ... but if you do, then you know what I mean), and these idiots who want show how "street" they are just embarass themselves, and the community.

I had my last run-in with the morons last Novemeber, when a group decided to have a beer party in the condo parking lot behind my townhouse (near the recent shooting). I walked my dog before bed, as always, and forced myself through the collected throng, not willing to go around. The next morning, the parking lot was rife with litter. I spent a good half-hour cleaning it up before taking my dog for her morning walk. On our way out from home, this car pulled up (which I recognized from the night before, and had seen many times previous) into the lot, and these two teen girls started throwing crap out of their car, right in front of me. I stopped, turned back and I'm sure shouted (verbatim) "I seriously hope you plan on picking up that sh@t!" One responded, "yeah, we got it, don't worry." I continued our walk.

When I got back home, I saw my older neighbor friend (really nice, part-time professor, most-time gardener, HAM radio guy) arguing with his wife. Apparently, after I walked away, the girls made big fun of emptying their car of all trash on-board, and my neighbor confronted them, on my behalf. He put all the crap on the hood of their car, and told them they could leave when they picked it up and put it in the dumpster (all of twenty yards away). They did, but then went to the front door of the house and complained to the wife about what a "mean old man" he was. She was defending them, until I arrived, and explained my side (corroborating his story).

I went to work, and found out later they (my neighbor and his wife) went out for a nice dinner, to celebrate making-up over this misunderstanding. I came home about six, took my dog for a walk, and prepared for a date I had that evening at eight. Around seven I heard the "bum-bum-bum" of a sub-woofer in the lot behind my house, and saw the group of four or five gangsta-wannabe-white-boy Lancer/Honda-with-the-pasted-on-wing-and-ultra-low-profile-tire cars (oh, the humanity!) parked directly behind my house, and another ensuing party (FYI, I am of European heritage). I continued to get ready for my date, but got alarmed when I started hearing voices close to my house. I looked out my rear window, and saw these hooligans in my neighbors' back yard, as well as mine (trying to sneak looks into my downstairs window).

I called the cops, and reported possible vandalism to my neighbors' house. I was already late for my date by this time, and took off. When I arrived back home around midnight, my voice mail was screaming with calls from the police. I called back, and had an officer (literally) at my door within a minute.

Apparently, just about the time I called, my neighbor and his wife came back home from their dinner. He dropped her off at the front door, and went to park the car around the side. He found the group of teens vandalizing his other car, and got out to confront them. He was subsequently beaten severely ... had I not called when I did, the police would not have showed up just in time to save him. He was hospitalized for several days, and when I saw him for the first time afterward, my heart just sank ... how could anyone do something so pointless over their girlfriends' having to pick up trash?

That night, after talking to the cops (who gave no assurances my neighbor would make it, but said in no uncertain terms that if he survived, it was only because of my call), I went a little ballistic. I KNEW GD well that those punks live in the condo community right next to me (the neighbor had actually given the plate number of the girls' car to the police after the fact, and they tracked down the perps). I felt really bad that my elderly neighbor had been beaten almost to death because I had confronted those little bitches ... I did something really stupid.

After the cops left, I took off my shirt, grabbed my garden machete (doesn't everyone have one?), and stomped into the condo community. Yelling at the top of my lungs at one a.m., "yeah you MFing bleeps, you can beat up an old man ... why don't you show some F'ing balls and come out now ... have a piece of me you F'ing worthless pieces of sh@t! I DIDN'T F'ING THINK SO! I'm waiting for you!" I kept this up for maybe half an hour ... the police never showed.

I think we have an understanding.

#555. Posted by: ealgumby at April 10, 2008 10:28 PM


Much thanks for the link ... still laughing!

I guess "what" is the writers' choice for filler ... I will never ignore it again.

How much time must it have taken to compile all of those? Wow!

#556. Posted by: ealgumby at April 10, 2008 11:05 PM

Hi everyone!

I finally got around to creating a new Lost Random Topics thread:

If you have any off-topic conversations, this new thread is a good place for them. I actually don't mind in-review tangents at all, but since we tend to jump over to new recaps, I've found these random topic threads can help maintain off-topic conversations.

#557. Posted by: mac at April 11, 2008 9:05 AM

Ok, sorry to spoil the "Lost Experience for everybody but I figured it out.

It's the mouse dummy !

Yea. if the mouse could go to the future and get information why couldn't Ben or Tom. He would know where Michael would be,that he would get a gun. Exactly what kind of gun. Then switch guns with fireing pin removed. The gun was shot once in the alley. When Michael checked no bullets had been fired.

Ben could keep checking the future to see the final outcome and if it didn't work out he could change something and try that.

The future hasn't happened yet so he could change it.

I know if it hasn't happened how does he know what happened. picky picky.

#558. Posted by: Samfin at April 11, 2008 11:31 AM

@ 553. ealgumby

If you go back to the Eggtown episode blog, I went into detail about the gross factual errors in regard to Kate's trial/custody/etc.

Once Kate was charged and held in custody for murder, her "child" would have been into state child services care because a housekeeper is not a guardian of a minor child but a stranger. The only way that the child could remain in Kate's house during her trial if the child's FATHER had custody and was living there.

#559. Posted by: welh at April 11, 2008 4:03 PM

@ Clementine - 554
The what thing is hillarious! After a while, it started to sound like birds going "baak baak baak" but yeah.

@ ealgumby - 555
Sorry... I just expected that someone would say something about it.

But thank you for likeing it... even though you didn't want to say so.

I usually don't expect compliments from people, but you're kind of right at the same time. It's just that, people compliment each other on this blog, and yeah, I don't know. I'll just stop talking.

So uh... What? Haha.

#560. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 11, 2008 4:05 PM

546/553/555/ealgumby RE: Dog walking woes

Dude, I used to live - literally - just a couple of miles SW of you in the Wilde Lake area. I lived in Columbia, worked in Baltimore (Inner harbor) and spent most of my time in DC with college friends.

I echo your experience. Columbia is a nice area - for those of you out there not familiar with the area - the crime rate is very low, but the kids there remind me of Jamie Kennedy as B-Rad in "Malibu's Most Wanted." Sorry about your recent experiences. Small world, eh?

#561. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 14, 2008 4:34 PM

@539 ButchM said:

>Cecil Rose

?Sorry I offended you ...

>Note that "..." can mean a great deal of things, but why delve into them with someone who obviously has an IQ off the charts.


>I think I'll stick to reading mac's reviews from now on and leave the reading and posting of the postings to others.

Good heavens, Butch, I neve meant to give the impression of being offended (and I'm puzzled what the elipsis reference refers to.) I, like the other old timers, was delighted to see you were posting again, and please keep it up!

Let's turn that parenthesis around :-)

#562. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 15, 2008 11:44 AM

And, Butch, sorry for not responding soner but I've been AFB/SAAD (Away From Blog/Sick As A Dog) for almost a week.

#563. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 15, 2008 12:07 PM

>@554 Clementine Posted



Great! The subtitled Korean "whats" where the best, including one by Hurley. In fact, Hurley's were clearly the best and most expressive over all, perpaps because Jorge Garcia does "dumbfounded" so well.

#564. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 15, 2008 12:11 PM

Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but i just wanted to add my 2 cents on LOST. i'm convinced that rousseau and ben are indeed the REAL mom and dad of Alex. Rousseau used to be an OTHER and she went nuts and left to be alone with her delusions in the jungle for 16 years. Ben doesn't stop her cause who the heck wants to take care of some crazy lady. Come next weds at 10pm, they'll show the 1st of Danielle's FB's and it'll show how she was minding her own business as a scientist's assistant when she's approached by BIG BEN himself to come to an island where they are excavating some ancient civilization. Poor impressionable Danielle is swept off her size 12's and taken to the island where she is seduced by Bug Eyed Ben and 9 mo's later, out pops Alex. Since Danielle is the 1st mommy to survive having a baby on the island, the side effect is that she loses her mind and goes off to live in the jungle.

Looks like whoever gets off the island, does so in the next couple of episodes, and the cliffhanger may just be the tsunami of 2004. How sick would it be if at some critical point of rescue, or while people are running and shooting one another, the ocean all of a sudden draws way out and everyone looks out to the horizon and sees an 80 foot wave approaching! Theres one helicopter and only a couple of people scramble to get on it. As the huge wave crashes across the beach, the helicopter and its Oceanic 6 passangers along with Ben safely get off the island. I'm not sure if the time line would allow my theory to come about, but man, that would be one heck of a season ender!

#565. Posted by: marls at April 16, 2008 3:35 PM

→ 565. Posted by: marls
The tsunami was 7500 miles away (about a third of the worlds circumference) away and would have to travel over Australia, New Guinea, Indonesia, Malayasia, Sumatra, Fiji and Samoa just to get to the LOST island. Plus, in island time, it would have arrived about a week ago.

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#567. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 21, 2008 11:59 AM

After re-watching this episode, another minor aggravating point came into view.

Miles is a ghost buster, but cannot read minds. When he confronted Jack and Kate, he had to demand several times where Naomi was so he could not read their minds.

When Michael arrives at the boat, Miles immediately knows that Michael is not Kevin Johnson. How so? He can't read minds . . . he can only communicate with the dead. So is Michael already dead, or a manifestation of the living dead since leaving the island?

Or that Miles was Ben's plant on the boat, but then he would not have spilled the secret that he knows who Michael is - - - Miles on the island was constantly trying to stop anyone from revealing any information.

#568. Posted by: welh at April 21, 2008 2:07 PM

4-8 (79) Meet Kevin Johnson

Michael escapes but,
Doesn't, pulled back in madness
Ben's pawn, he's in play.

#569. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 22, 2008 3:37 PM

LOST IS 1 GIANT CHESS GAME between Charles Whitmore and Benjamin Linus

Notice the reference to "PAWNS", even he labeled his daughter Alex as a Pawn. Also, in a mini-episode, Ben and Jack are playing Chess

Benjamin Linus has traveled through Time in 4/24/08 Episode. He wanted to know "today's date", then he wanted to know the year

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