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Tha must have ben one heck of a settlement, for Sun to buy a controlling interest in Paik Industries with it.

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Odometers with both trp meters rarely have tenths in the regular odometer. They had to fudge that in Hurley's Camaro.

this show is stressing me out! thanks for the reviews mac you rock!

THIRD POSTER yeah

Great show tonight... loved all the emotional reunions and confrontations as the Oceanic VI come back to civilization.

Still don't know what Locke and Ben are gonna do in regard the Orchid. Can they really save/move the island?

Cant wait to read Mac's review(but i hear it's great as always), hear the damon/carlton podcast tomorrow, then rewatch the show a second time, with subtitles on. this gives you the complete LOST experience, that is at least until the dvds come out and you have to start all over again with commentary tracks, etc.

Great site Mac. Love the community of smart, odd, interesting people who post hear. I learn lots about the show from every single contribution. Thanks to all.

@mac

>Kate/Aaron...courtside at Lakers games...

So Jack Nicholson's in the next ep?

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@mac

>Faraday gets even more nervous than usual. He knows that the "secondary protocol" has been activated and, judging from his furrowed brow and twitchy demeanor, he knows what that involves. Charlotte, however, doesn't seem to understand what all this secondary business is about, but she gets the message when Danny tells her that they both have to get off the island ... like right now.

Given this and his feelings for Charlotte revealed two ep back, how is it that Faraday didn't get Charlotte in the fist boatload?

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@mac

You left out Scott (or was it Steve?) from th list of the still-dead.

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@mac

>...previously-undocumented Dharma location: the Orchid...

Aside from the odd ComicCon.

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@mac

>Did I miss any? (hatches)

Did the other fake-hatch in the yurt village count? It had a symbol, was there a name?

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@mac

Thanks for a great season of recappin' and don't be a stranger to the random topic in the of-season.

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@mac

>Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Forum? What is this forum place of which he speaks. [hhok]

What's the deal with Sun buying a majority share in her father's corporation? Sure "Paik Industries" is worth a billion or two. But that includes the "SUBSIDIARIES"!

Most 'controlling' corporations are fairly small and are family and close friend traded, and not publicly traded. If Sun got a 20 Mil settlement AND got family and friends to back her, she may have easily gotten the control of the 400,000 shares she needed to take over the "CORE" corp. that controls the very broad "PAIK Industries". The offshoots don't have to be purchased by Sun... if she controls the conglomerate hdqtrs, then most of the subsidiaries will follow her lead. What I want to know is, if her father was one of the two that led to the loss of Jin, who was the second?... Widmore? who..?

I missed the first 20 minutes of the episode (the time slot change has been butchering my enjoyment of the season) but I'm not surprised they go along with the fake wreckage story. How else would Widmore still be living in a penthouse rather than sitting in jail? Ben is too anonymous to the world at large to pin it on him. Are we also left to assume that Sun means Widmore is the other man responsible for Jin's death?

I'm interested to see exactly what Keamy's orders are. He didn't care who was back on the ship because they were going to blow it up, but what are they trying to do at the orchid station? They can't be trying to move it so Widmore can find it... the people he hired already found it.

For a few minutes I thought the plan B was to force Ben to use the orchid to escape the island so he could be dealt with later (they apparently cannot kill him under strict orders, and we know he ends up in Tunisia) but he surrenders himself so that cannot be it.

They can't be trying to destroy the island since they're not planning on leaving and mercenaries don't do suicide missions. Should be interesting to see how it pans out.

First off - Sun, you go girl! That was a great scene when she knocked her father down a peg.

Interesting ep!

Awesome ep! Can't wait for Part 2.

Eek-remember the Desmonition about Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter? What if his reception was a little fuzzy, and it's actually Sun and Aaron who get on the helicopter to safety, before the freighter blows? Double eek-what if Des and Jin are fish food? No way, I refuse to believe my own speculation! And I think Michael is in the casket, so he can't die yet.

Jack is such a jackass. "I promised everybody I'd get them off the island." "I sent Sayid and Des up in the helicopter. I'm responsible." Ugh, I wish Juliet had downsized his ego whilst removing his appendix.

~Love Sawyer looking out for Jack, despite their antagonism. He did it for Kate, I think.
~Sun rocks. Pregnant badass.
~Sayid and Nadia are running a close second to Des and Penny in my awesome love story rankings.
~The whispers at the Reyes residence totally gave me the willies.
~The press conference looked like some of the group cast interviews. Kinda surreal.
~Kate passing off Aaron as her biological child explains away the custody issues. Wonder why the other 5 agreed to that part of the deception?
~If Michael Emerson doesn't win an Emmy this season, there is no justice.
~"Those crackers are 15 years old." Hee!
~Why didn't Ben give Locke any instructions about what to do after he takes the elevator to the Orchid Island Mover basement workshop? Or will Dr. Daddy be down there with to lend a hand?
~The Alpert and Sayid stare-down was hot.
~So moving the island is a last resort, and apparently somewhat risky? I'm guessing it involves a PURPLE SKY! Can anyone say "electromagnetic anomaly"?

@mac:

Regarding missed hatces, what about that "place" where karl was being mentally tortured / being involuntarily projected with images and sounds like "I believe in Jacob"??
Was that a hatch / sattion?

DAMN YOU HD-ABC...! or Rogers… They decided to skip the last 5 minutes of the episode…

Last thing I saw was RA taking Sayid’s gun, then (in Island like fashion), time-skip to Ben‘s cup-cake head interfacing with Keamy’s gun… What did I miss in between?

Poor Hurley, why is he still being tormented?! No wonder he goes “crazy”. I got the shivers when I saw the numbers on his car dashboard. Why is the island still messing with him?

Jin isn’t one of the 8 that ‘survived’ the crash, according to their story. One would assume Claire isn’t either. Any ideas who the two could have been? I’m guessing… I actually have no idea... Why should it be any of them?

Sun was great in this episode; did she really mean it that Jin was dead, when she said her dad was one of the two men responsible? Or only dead in the sense of left behind? I think the latter, it seemed to me she pulled the coup to gain Paik resources and go searching for Jin.

I agree with Mac about the device’s function as a fail safe. Personally I initially thought it was an anti-Smokey weapon, but this makes more sense.

So many more questions… Guess we’ll have to wait a couple of weeks…

Oh if someone can do this, can you post a link to stills from Faraday’s notes. I think I caught a glimpse of “time coordinates” scribbled on the Orchid page, amidst some interesting math.

And of course;
Nice one Mac, until next season..

Considering Daniel Dae Kim had his court appearance in Hawaii today for his DUI, let's hope that's not the reason for Jin's 'death' - as the writers did to Ana Lucia, Libby, and Mr. Eko...

@Mac...For me this is a two-part show: One part Lost and one part Mac. I've been reading your blog for years now and the show wouldn't be the same for me without your input. GRAA and don't stop!

I always love reading the comments and I get much from them...

PT

Thanks for your great review Mac! We'll miss your astute observations for the finale.

"...the excuse of Kate giving birth to Aaron seems overly complicated -- and a complicated lie is never a good thing."

Actually, we had a heck of a discussion on this very subject here in this forum!

It was a lie that had to be told but it was really a very simple one: I was pregnant. I don't know, but I don't think all women prisoners are given pregnancy tests. Did she even go to jail in Australia? That's a whole other can of legal worms...extradition, passport. And TPTB have shown us they will play fast & loose with court matters.

Had Kate told the truth, that Aaron was Claire's baby, Australia would take custody of Aaron because he is (through his mother) an Australian citizen. And Australia would not likely award custody of an Australian infant to an American fugitive who is wanted in the US for murder and arson. She might win a court case, but it is highly unlikely. It's more expeditious to say she was 6 months pregnant when she boarded the plane.

What is less credible than her being 6 months pregnant when 815 crashed is that Aaron is freakishly BIG and well developed for a 5 week old infant!

@Mac

so this review marks my final contribution to season 4.

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Why is this your last contribution? Why aren't you reviewing the season finale?

This is the first time I comment here but always read your reviews. No episode is complete without your comments and witty remarks. I enjoy tremendously your reviews. Best found out there.

Thank you. Hope to hear your reply.

Did anyone else think that one of the reporters knew more than he was letting on? The guy who asked Kate: "What was it like giving birth on the island?" seemed to have a bit of a knowing gleam in his eye. Perhaps he knows about the island and the fact that women can't give birth there, which would make Kate of special interest to him. Also, it seemed interesting to me that the reporters (especially this one guy) referred to it as "THE island." Why not just say the name (which I can't remember right now)?

Eighteenth!

I swear Kate (but not the show) has totally jumped the shark. How in the world did she become an expert tracker? She now has the ability to wave her hand over the ground and know that "These aren't Jack or Sawyer. These are different tracks." I can't suspend my disbelief any longer. Come on!

I love this show.

Woohoo, 19th. I loved the music that accompanied Sayid as he approached the island in the boat. Reminded me of the magnificent seven.

Here's the screen capture of Faraday's notes:

http://tinyurl.com/6qydvr

And who the heck were those no-names that unloaded from the zodiac with Sun, Jin, Aaron and Daniel?

@ t-code-j

Kate has been a tracker since back in the day when her father (not biological) took her out in the wilderness. She's shown her awesome tracking skills before, i.e. following Naomie's true blood trail.

Great episode and GREAT recap-synopsis Mac! Both very enjoyable. So many funny things last night - the “party theme” from Hurley’s parents was up there! (Admittedly, like the former poster said, the whispers were pretty creepy!)

Best moment for me was definitely BAD-ASS SUN nailing pops!

But that last sequence of faces in peril - swish, swish, swish, swish, swish - was really effective. Very tension filled closing montage!

I’m fearing for some of my favorites however. This whole thing seems rather omminous. And how the heck are the writers going to string this out for TWO MORE SEASONS?

(At least the actor playing Richard Alpert has steady work again. Caine sure was a bust!)

Looking forward to reading the blog. Concert season is over - I’m home for the duration. Have a nice vacation Mac.

@ Lee

Correct about Kate being a tracker, they covered that in season 1. Also, Locke has tracking skills.

Questions about Sun and her pregnancy/baby: Does anyone know how far along she is when they are rescued or how long she was on the island before she got pregnant? Depending on the time frame, is she going to have some explaining to do as to who the father is if Jin died in the plane crash.

My favorite bit: When Sawyer tells Jack that Hurley was with Ben, and Jack, sounding every bit like Sawyer, Says

"Son of a BITCH!"

When Ben pulled out the mirror and was "communicating" with someone in the woods - Locke asked "Who are you talking to?" and Ben replied "Who do you think?" I'm sorry i don't know who - and does anyone know what he "said"

On the mirror communication, I assume Ben as talking to Alpert's group?

I'd keep a close eye on the nerd and red-head at all times. I assume the device on the head mercenary's arm would cause the ship to blow up if he died?

Lots of good screentime for Kate, always a plus. ;-)

Seeing the numbers on the car's odometer was fantastic, and very creepy! ;-)

Chris

as for moving the island, remember the screeching, mechanical sound we heard in season 1? Island Moving Apparatus, perhaps?

@Serendipity: Unfortunately, I'm going to be at a conference for work when the finale airs, so there's no way I can fit in a review. It's a bummer, but I'm sure Vacc will do a great job in my absence.

This episode was ridiculously dense. They tried to cram too much into 40 little minutes, and often substituted cheesy dialogue for real communication.

Favorite line: Sun to her daddy, "Now you will respect me."

Worst line: "John, how many times do I have to tell you, I always have a plan." Tell that to Alex, you bug-eyed freak.

While I was thrilled to see that Claire's mom had conquered the coma, I thought that was the lamest possible way to reveal the Jack/Claire connection.

Thanks for the recap Mac. We'll miss your great insights re the season finale. I'm sure Vacc will be great - but there's only 1 MAC.

OK - now let me pry my lips off your backside . . . . (Loud smacking sound).

Last night's ep I thought was great. They have set-up the season finale in a pretty intriguing way. All of the O6 are scattered around different parts of the island. Can't wait to see how they get them all together for the escape.

I now believe that the device on Keamy's arm, that we saw last week, is a heart monitor of some sort. It is connected, via a signal, to the explosives on the freighter. The explosives are attached to a device that is sending out a signal to the device on Keamy's arm. If Keamy's heart stops the device on his arm sends a signal back and the freighter goes BOOM.

I loved Sun taking her father down a peg. He definitely didn't see that coming.

Fav Line:

Hurley eating the saltines. Ben steps past him and says, "You know those are 15 years old." The look on Hurley's face = priceless.

See you next season Mac.

So here I am, posting for the first time after years of lurking. Mac, I used to read your reviews to fill in the gaps in the show - now I watch the show so I can enjoy your review!

Anyway - two nagging questions after last night's episode. First - I've been wondering since last week - with new mother Claire gone missing, how are they going to feed Aaron? If he's only 5 weeks old, she must have been nursing him - but I don't remember seeing any Other or Dharma-issue baby bottles or formula (why would there be? None of the Other pregnancies came to term).

...which leads to question #2 - if Kate had given birth 5 weeks ago on an uninhabited island, she would still be nursing that baby, and we can pretty well assume she's not. You'd think somebody might notice / wonder about that.

...and another thing. Wasn't Claire's mother in a coma just before Claire left to take her as-yet-unborn baby to LA? I had the impression that Mom was in a permanent vegetative state. Apparently she snapped back, and looked pretty good for somebody who had been in a horrific accident only 6 months previously, living on a respirator and feeding tube.

I suspect that little Aaron will play a big part in the next two seasons. Remember Hurley's "off hand" comment (is anything off hand on this show?) when Locke and Sawyer were playing Risk a couple of weeks back - "Australia's the key to the whole thing" -?

Anybody?

2nd Fav line:

Female Reporter: "For being stranded on an island for 100 days you all look pretty healthy."

Hurley: "Was that directed at me dude?"

>> "as for moving the island, remember the screeching, mechanical sound we heard in season 1? Island Moving Apparatus, perhaps?"

GREAT point! I had forgotten about that. So many loose ends. I was wondering when we would get back to the numbers.

As far as your list of the DHARMA stations: what about the Temple? It has its own logo: http://tinyurl.com/65mar2

Dude! Cheech is Hurley's Dad......that
cracks me up!

great show last night

>> "Dude! Cheech is Hurley's Dad."

And not looking good, he looked embalmed imho. ;-)

That whole thing with Sun buying up a controlling interest in her dad's corporation seemed to come from completely out of the blue. Don't get why they really needed to put that into the episode. probably yet another question to be answered later.

So the remaining Others were waiting up in the mountains for Ben and then suddenly down in the wilderness waiting for Kate and Sawyer?

Mac, love the review as always. You left out the numbers showing up on Hurley's car (although you did mention him getting in touch with his inner crazy-person). A gallon of absinthe for us all!

So much for all that were calling Jack an idiot for heading towards the signal. Turns out Lapidius actually wanted him to do that.

I officially think Faraday is the slimiest character on the show after Ben. He apparently knows everything about everything that is going on, seemingly as much as Ben from his brief revealing moments of conversation. Yet he plays this sniveling meek little person in front of the crowds so nobody bothers him. Kind of like what Ben did when we first saw him on this show, without the manipulative side of course.

Best Mac line: "...activating Ben's buggy-eye G-spot"

Apparently two posts got removed because those that declared "eighteenth" and "nineteenth" are actually sixteenth and seventeenth.

Anyone else wondering how they're going to tie up what happened to Claire? Is she alive or dead? Can the island just "take" someone like that when they haven't done a thing (from what I can see) to justify it?

I agree that the whole "this is my baby, I gave birth to him" story from Kate about Aaron, while it obviously works out fine because we see her still with Aaron years later, was incredibly hokey and should have been dealt with better.

How is Ben going to overpower the mercenaries senseless without his Jedi beat-down stick? :) Maybe Hurley can get his Other van and knock them all down!

If the island really does physically move, it had better be over a shark so we can call that moment what it is. If it quacks like a duck...

I anxiously await the season finale, but I have to say it's with a mix of anticipation and dread. I want to enjoy this show and continue to enjoy it for the next two seasons, but they've kind of boxed a number of things into a corner that I don't see how they're going to get out of them without some "oh no they DIDN'T" kinds of moments. I'm hoping to be as amazingly pleased and surprised as I was with last season's finale (AWESOME!), but I am a little worried.

Wow, reading my post over again that was quite an overall negative post. Sorry, folks if I brought anyone down. I don't take back any of it, I think the issues I brought up needed to be said, but it certainly wasn't mister cheerful.

I truly do enjoy the show and especially all of you here. Insightful and intelligent only scratches the surface of the people the post in "Mac's world", and we're all the better for it. Hope all take my previous post in the best light.

@6 Mike speculated:

>How else would Widmore still be living in a penthouse rather than sitting in jail?

What’s the exact UK crime for sinking an airplane in international waters filled with 234 bodies taken from a graveyard in Thailand?

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@9 Stilianos asked:

>Regarding missed hatches, what about that "place" where karl was being mentally tortured / being involuntarily projected with images and sounds like "I believe in Jacob"??

That was part of the Hydra station on the little island off the coast.

My long awaited [Well, maybe someone out there was awaiting it] review of "The Invention of Morel" is now posted in the Random Topics '08 area. Click my name to be taken there.

btw,

What is the damon/carlton podcast RONB mentions??

Am I the only one who still wants to know....WHERE ARE THE KIDS? After the Others gave Walt back, they dropped the whole subject of the Tailie kids that were taken, and never saw the lady(forgot her name) that was "taking care" of them.
The fact that the writers would just dispose of such a previously huge subjuect makes me think that there are other "big issues" that mean nothing and are just meant to distract us for a while.... any thoughts?

Mac, long time lurker, but you'll be missed in 2 weeks. You will come by and share your thoughts in the comments, right?

I keep trying to come up with a better story for Aaron. He can't be Claire's, because Kate feels obligated to take care of him. Do you think it's a calculated move to help Kate in her trial?

I was sure that Jin would be one of the extra two Oceanic survivors, just for the timing of Sun's pregnancy. More than wondering about who those two are, I really want to know WHY the story requires two more people.

@Mister_Grimm:
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the explosives, that it has some sort of heart monitor linked to Keamy. My guess is that he will die and the freighter will explode, but who gets killed? I have the impression that Jin is going to be one of them :(

@ Post 5. MorBid0

Don’t waste valuable brain cells trying to defend the cheesy soap opera cliché of “I secretly took over your company”. In the real world, it is simply impossible to secretly take control of a corporation, whether it is large or small, publicly traded or closely held, or a holding company or operating company. The scene of Sun’s confrontation of her dad was hokey Hollywood melodrama at its lamest.

I found it difficult to be engaged by this episode. It had the same infirmity as the last three Star Wars movies: you can’t really be surprised or thrown by plot twists when you know how the story must end. There’s no cliffhanger suspense, for example, in Jack’s bleeding wound or in Hurley being with Ben and Sawyer at the Orchid, since we’ve already seen them get off the island. I don’t find the process of moving them from their present circumstance to the hold of that military transport nearly as interesting as the writers seem to. I can’t bring myself to care much about the contents of another mysterious hatch, when the future plotline conflict has already been revealed to go well beyond small island mysteries such as those hatches. There’s a weird discontinuity in watching things happen at breakneck speed while being impatient for things to happen.

For me, the flash-forwards have passed from interesting and novel new twist to the storytelling to a gigantic string of buzz-killing spoilers. A lot of the show made me fell like I was watching a rerun. I knew Hurley was going to greet his restored car the moment that Cheech told him he wanted to show him his present. I knew that Nadiya was the one who wanted to see Sayid before they said it. I knew that Jack was going to find out Claire was his sister the moment that conversation started. The only one of those scenes where the acting worked well enough to make me care was the reaction shot we got from Naveen Andrews.

>@41 dreeda99 enquired:

>After the Others gave Walt back, they dropped the whole subject of the Tailie kids that were taken, and never saw the lady(forgot her name) that was "taking care" of them.

We saw them touring the cages and throwing peanuts to Jack with Cindy and her scarf in season 3. Maybe we can assume they're at the Temple with the other Others.

Sorry if someone has said this,i been lost 4 awhile, but does anyone think Alpert is Lock's dad. at the hospital the nurse asks john's mom if alpert was the father,i think the mom knew he was but could not say so ,if she had they would not have been able to put john up for adoption.

Just to clarify re: the finale -- I won't be writing the recap, but I'll certainly be around and I plan to participate through the comments. (I'll also check in regularly in the long wait between the finale and season 5 ... it's not like I'm scheduling a six-month stay on the balmy shores of Membata).

Isn't Membata the name of Wilt Chamberlain in Conan the Destroyer? Sweet!!!

Ronny B,

That water theme plays anytime they're on the water. I believe it was introduced with the raft and reprised when Sun and Jin sailed around to the other side of the island and saw the foot. I like it, too. Very energetic and driven.

Cecil Rose,

My guess is that the crime would be 234 counts of defacing a corpse.

dreeda99,

I've been wondering about those kids and the Australian flight attendant, too. Are they at the Temple?

I wonder what was in the Jesus statue ... Maybe some of Charlie's heroin?

after last night's ep I'm starting to believe in the whole dobbelganger/cloning theory again. Off the island, everyone seemed so robotic - yes? Maybe they are "incomplete" because they have been "split."

Did anyone see/read "The Prestige?" -- that is the effect I'm talking about. Maybe that is the secret that they are bearing and hence, what they agreed to "go through" in order to get back home.

Regardless, it will be interesting, to say the least, to learn how the O6 end up as the only 6 that return/"survive." Since right now they are scatterd all over the place: Jack in the jungle with Sawyer; Sun and Arron and Jin on the freighter; Kate and Sayid captured by the Hostiles and Hurley outside the Orchid with Locke.

Me thinks it is gonna be one wild ride!!! And I can't wait.

Haven't read all the comments yet, about to wade through them now.

"After watching all this transpire, I'm surprised Jack didn't immediately swallow a gallon of absinthe and sprout inch-long beard hair." Brilliant, Mac.

My fave line?--
After Ben unearths the old box and its contents, Locke hands the crackers over to Hurley, who immediately snaps into one. The best line is Ben to Hurley, with a mix of (probably) disgust and awe:
"You know, those are 15 years old."

I love Hurley.

OK- to the comments!

xo
-chopkins

@44 Deep Cover

I hear exactly what you are saying. I have discussed this with friends who watch the show as well. My point has been, "What exactly is *current* on the show?" Is it the future flashes? As you say, there is a safety net now for much of what we see on the island, since we know certain people will leave.

Dozens of guns pointed at Sayid and Kate? Ho-hum. They can't die. Jack bleeding out? No, he can't. What we now think of as current events has more or less become THE PAST. Weird, isn't it?

I think the most "current" moment would have to be Jack's cry of "We have to go back!" I think that is the furthest forward flash, but it's possible another flash could be further, and we just don't know yet from the context.

Fave Line last night: (Sawyer) "Wait up, you don't get to die alone, you know." Nice way to sneak part of an episode title in. (Live Together, Die Alone, as I recall)

Can't wait to see what happens with the Orchid finally!!

The big questions in my mind are:

1. Who was Ben communicating with using the mirror and what was he saying?
A. Alpert -- Can I borrow your skin cream? My face has taken quite a beating lately.
B. Jacob -- We're out of saltines.
C. Vincent -- I'm having a rough day.

2. Who set the explosives on the freighter and why? When they explode, will we have another Acme moment whereby the freighter remains intact but the ocean around it collapses?

3. Will we finally see the Orchid video and confirm that it's canon? If so, can we refer to season 4 as wabbit season?

4. Who are the 2 "survivors" who didn't make it? Will Richard Hatch be one of them?

5. Will Daniel (Action Jackson) Farrady become next season's Ben and assume a bigger role on the show?

As Sun approaches her father, in his office, Mr. Paik is discussing details of funds transfers from 5 different banks. He has probably just been informed that he has lost controlling interest in the company. And the 5 different bank accounts, could they belong to Sun, Hurley, Kate, Jack, and Sayid? Sorry if this has been discussed already, havent' read the recap yet.

Now we know why flying is so expensive. They can hand out reimbursemnt packages that will help you buy multi-billion dollar corporations. Just think how much Oceanic is worth!

@Clementine: There is a big red button labelled "Press Here To Move The Island" (Austin Powers-style)Even Locke can get that!

I was thinking the 2nd person responsible for jin's death (other than Mr Paik) was Jack. Weird, cold glances betwixt them.

also thought ben was communicating wit jacob. maybe not.

i'm so over kate.

Few thoughts

1. re: 16. Posted by: t-code-j
I totally agree, I even said what??? Kate knows not only where they went but who they are and are not how sweaty they were, whether or not they went ate fish or leaves, what is she a dog now.. sniffing their scents? I know they covered her tracking skills but come on.

2. Now that I think of it, the past episodes were telling us Jack had to find out about Claire AFTER they get back. Cuz by then they have already lied and can't take it back. I love the Australian way "I know your at your Dads' funeral but let me burden you with this one final twist in your gut" (your dads' infidelity, a long lost sister also died feet away from you.)

3.I was hoping Ben would get island medieval on their asses and not just give up.

4.What happens to Juliet ! Dangit

5.Didnt Lapidus say the mercs went to the Orchid to wait for Ben to apprehend him? So the mercs went to get Ben, cuz they (Widmore) knew that would be the last step in the 'save the island' protocol? The mercs looked like they were waiting for something, not 'doing' something.
So seems like Widmore made sure they stopped him from doing so (save the island) by waiting for him there, BUT he doesn’t know about the Locke factor.

6. I guess the whole lie about Kate/Aaron could work I mean, what would they say? 'I know you have just been thru a horrific traumatic event and the fact that you are alive is an insane miracle but we are going to call bullsh** on your baby.'

7. I don’t think Jin is dead, it seems to me Sun was in shock but was very composed for losing her spouse days before. I think it was planned like that, to be ambiguous yet it seemed to me the difficult part was lying about him dieing at all, and not how.

8. I HATE that I am addicted to this show now

This episode was too surreal. The post-island story line was too forced.

First, the US coast guard would not ferry rescued passengers from Indonesia. Oceanic would have chartered a plane or first class passage on another carrier.

Second, the airport reunions were too staged, especially the Sayid-Nadia moment.

Third, why would you have a second public memorial service for Christian Shepard? Claire's mother was in a terminal coma so her bright appearance at the church made no real sense. How would she even know about it (if she was alive and well?) It is more probable that Claire's mother died when Christian's payment of her medical bills stopped.

Fourth, international companies do not have the same investment reporting rules of US publicly traded companies; however, more foreign companies are tightly controlled through family holdings or intertwined bank-financial companies. The average large Korean industrial company has a market cap of $10-50 billion. It is impossible for Sun to have used her settlement to buying a controlling interest in such a company. Further, since the O6 are part of a conspiracy, they are probably being blackmailed with their lives by the power(s) that let them leave the island. Powerful people don't waste their capital on settlements.

Fifth, the Hurley surprise party made little sense. It was used to convey the all the O6 having perfect, happy upper middle class lives. Except for Hurley's to freak out in the camaro -- the Numbers may be his subconscious telling him that this is not real, this is wrong, danger, don't fall for the bait.

As Hurley said last week, the post-island events are too perfect to be real; that it would be a heavenly dream for those involved if it was true.

The one line that caught my attention was "Jesus Christ is not a weapon." As a follow-up on my comments last week, Milton and Dante's writings of Satan battling God for heaven indeed has the Son of God as the key weapon that defeated Satan's army and banished the rebellious angels to hell. So in the battle of good versus evil, Jesus was a weapon.

Sawyer's "Genghis" reference to Miles was pure Sawyer.

My theory as how the O6 get back together and are rescued:

RA takes Kate and Sayid and meet up with Hurley/Locke/Ben at the Orchid. (Ben had signaled the Others to meet there.) A battle ensues.

Jack/Sawyer/Lapidus get the copter ready and then Jack/Sawyer head to the Orchid to join the first annual Move the Island, Orchid Reunion tour.

As soon as it is revealed that they are moving the island, Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sayid return to the copter(ever notice how fast friends scatter when you mention you're moving?) While Locke and Sawyer choose to stay to do the dirty work.

The copter takes off, the island moves (messing up travel plans), Ben is shot in the arm, and just as he is about to be shot execution style (but face up) he uses his top secret Orchid spider powers to jump to Tunisia.

Meanwhile Keamy is killed (and there is much rejoicing), thereby setting off the explosives on the freighter. The water is teaming with debris among which is the Zodiac, Sun and Aaron.

The copter arrives at the scene of the wreckage out of gas because of excessive flying while trying to follow coordinates that are messed up due to the island move.

They ditch the copter for the zodiac and the O6 are rescued in the dingy.

good morning to all,

i thought this episode was just ok but i enjoyed it none the less.

i think charlette and ole' danny boy will be the two survivors that were lost at sea. dont know why, i just do.

@davidrh
i liked the show CANE and was very disappointed that it got cancelled. apparently moonlight is being cancelles also. oh well :(

peace&love to all

Could they be trying to move the Island in time rather than location?

The on-island events gave me the feeling of a dark version of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World. You have groups running around looking for stuff and finding themselves in deeper trouble. The 815ers arrive at the freighter and find it rigged with a ton of explosives? (And when does the explosives read C-4 EXPLOSIVES! with an ! mark??) The crazy Three Amigos arrive near the Orchid station, and Ben takes out the mirror to signal who? Patchy? While Hurley eats old crackers (crackers a reference to nuts?) And why would Ben tell Locke what to do when Ben could do the work himself instead of surrendering? If Ben wouldn't give himself up to save Alex, why now? Sayid and Kate, who were going to rescue Sawyer and Jack, now being captured by Alpert, who was supposed to be at the temple, but are now probably following the helicopter to rescue Ben, but which leads them toward Frank, who is going to rescue all of them? See how maddening this is?

@44 Deep Cover: I believe that this is why we 'overheard' the conversation before Sun entered about the money coming from 5 different banks. Several smaller entities bought up Paik stock and before they realized what was happening. I realize that it is simplistic to think all of your buddies could secretly buy Microsoft stock and nobody would notice but, as you say, it is Hollywood.

Widmore Crimes: theft, destruction of private property, desecration of a corpse (234 counts apiece)

@61: "Since right now they are scatterd all over the place: Jack in the jungle with Sawyer; Sun and Arron and Jin on the freighter; Kate and Sayid captured by the Hostiles and Hurley outside the Orchid with Locke."

Well, all but Sun and Aaron could meet at the Orchid. Hurley's already there, Jack is going there for Hurley, and Kate and Sayid are presumably being marched there by Alpert (with lots of guns!) to rescue Ben. Then they return to Frank's helicopter and fly to the ship where they pick up Sun. The question then would be - if Sun fits on later, why not Sawyer on the first trip? So that means Frank's helicopter isn't their final transport away.

By the way, I will be *very* disappointed if the freighter actually explodes.

It's minor point, but it keeps coming up so....

Sun's pregnancy doesn't need an explanation for it's timing. She and Jin could have done the deed the night before the plane took off.

The world doesn't know Jin had slow swimmers. Even if the world did know, some people who are unable to conceive do, against all odds, get pregnant.

→ 60. Posted by: bcre8ve

LOL on the Sawyer reference to Miles as "Ghengis"-caught it on the rewatch.

So many holes in the 06 stories you almost think it's intentional. Were the 06 all sitting side by side on the plane so they were the only ones able to quickly get out of the blown hatch? Oceanic obviously would still have the seating assignments.

Even with the episode shortcomings, can't wait the 2 hour finale.

@54/Scooby-Dude Well played [8^)

@59/welh "It is more probable that Claire's mother died when Christian's payment of her medical bills stopped."

Are you kidding? Once the sugar daddy was gone, the hospital had to do something to get her out of there. etting her die would have taken too long. : P

DOCTOR: Why are you giving me this patient's chart? She's been in a comma for months.
NURSE: There's been a dramatic change in her case?
DOCTOR: What? She's recoverd?
NURSE: No, her sugar daddy died and we need the bed.
DOCTOR: Oh, I'll get right on it.

108 day's later, she's crashing funerals, neglecting grandkids, and dropping bombs on newly found step sons.

OK, so I've gotten through all the comments. It beats working. I dont have any cracked out theories after this episode, but my reactions to some of the comments:

@ 5 Morbid0 (and everyone else who commented on this): the scond person responsible for Jin's death, my guesses are either Ben (obv.) or Michael.

@10 Apollo: Good point about why have two other "extra" survivors who died on the island and weren't rescued. It really coudl be anyone. WHy have two other survivors though? Does it make the O6 story more believable somehow??

@ 26 Dharma Anne: The mechanical island noises. Isnt there also a weird mechanical noise whenever smokey comes out to do his thang? A weird clanking like a chain is being pulled or something... right?

@ 30 occam: good point about the non-nursing kate. Obviously nobody cathces on though, since we see them (presumably) years later, seemingly no worse for the wear...

@60 becre8ve: good theory, makes sense. But what happens to Lapidus? Unless Sayid can fly the copter???

@36 lostedit (and others with similar gripes): Agreed. This show is dangerously close to jumping the shark. I cant tell if it's brilliant, or just f*&$ing with us or what. I agree with those who've said there is no real suspense since the flash-forwards, since we know ultimately who "lives." Jacks stitches, ho-hum... etc etc. It's taken a lot of the anxious feelings I used to get about this show away. For me, yes I do want to know HOW the O6 get off, for sotrytelling purposes, but its not as important as the fact that they DO get off, which we already know. If that makes any sense? Unless the flash forwards arent real or something, or people are cloned or whatever, but if thats the case, well... I can only suspend disbelief and let myself be taken so far. That might be the last straw. I want some GD answers from this show, you know??

All that being said, dammit, I do love to hate this $hit sometimes, and I HAVE to tune in every week, listen to the podcasts, read these blogs instead of work etc etc etc. So, theyre doing somethign right, and they know it. I just REALLY hope we're not all let down at the end. Whatever the eff dharma is and the whole space-time stuff they got goin' on, it better be totally TOTALLY sweet.

Anyways, back to last night's episode-- agreed with those who posted that Sun taking over Paik was for two reasons: to take daddy down, and to use the considerable resources to find the island again. Also liked those that posited all 6 of the O6 were in on the deal. Very interesting...

K, thats what I got. I wasnt terribly impressed with this episode. I think this season reached its peak with The Constant and has been coasting/going downhill a bit since then. I'm really looking forward to the 2-hour finale to restore my faith a bit.

Oh who am I kiding, theyve easily already got me for the next two seasons, and damned if they dont know it.

Good luck in a couple weeks Vacc. Got some big shoes to fill...

xo
-chopkins

... and did the scene with the view from inside the Coast Guard transport (as the cargo bay opened) remind anybody of the climatic scene from "Close Encounters"?

As I've suspected, the O6 are all aliens.

Interesting observations from other blogs (yes, I read others but my heart belongs to Mac and Mac alone!)

* in FF scenes, Hurley's T-shirt bears the "Ace of Spades" -- commonly known as the death card or the card of war.

* Operation Greenhouse was the code name for America's A-bomb testing program in the 1950s... in the south pacific.

* Could the orchid time machine = the key to eternal life?

* Was Sun implying to her dad that she knew he deliberatly conspired to kill them (we don't know if he did) because he knew the plane was going to crash?

Boy, it is going to be a LONG, SLOW 8 months. Has ABC announced a date yet for the 09 season premier? Please let it at least be early January....instead of late Jan. or, heaven forbid, early Feb!

Wilt played Bombataa

@69/chopkins - I think you and the other posters that followed my last post have said pretty concisely what I was trying to say but couldn't put exactly into words at the time. That I so want to LOVE the season finale for revitalizing a storyline that looks more and more like a recap that fills in all of the empty spaces while also just showing us things we already know or things we know won't go badly because we know the characters' futures.

On the Sun issue, if in fact the O5 (forget Aaron for a moment) in fact put their money together to buy Sun's father's business and use it for their own purposes (against Widmore, anyone?) then I can see a future for this new storyline thread. The whole vengance thing, though, at first glance seemed to come out of relatively nowhere with no basis other than to find some intrigue/activity in Sun's post-island life. I'd like to see something come of this story thread, otherwise it just doesn't make sense why they did it.

Any ideas why the heading is 305 going in both directions to and from the island (not to mentioned changed from 325 I thought).... Any pilot knows if you came in on 305 and you want to get back you take 125... For some reason I can completely wrap my head around time travel from the island to the outside world but heading northwest to leave the island, and northwest to get back to the island completely confounds me.

More thoughts on the whole "using Paik Enterprises to fight Widmore/find the island again" theory(s):

If theyre using it to fight Widmore etc., well, it sure doesnt seem like they've made much progress or even consider it al that much from some of the other future-flashes we've seen. We know the flashes go at least a few yrs forward (grown Aaron, on-the-edge Jack etc.), and instead of being warriors or even cool corporate exec types, well, the O6ers are either crazy (Hurley, Jack) or living "normal" suburban lives (Kate, Aaron). We dont know what Sun is up to years in the future, presumably raising her kid and learning that greed is good...

The only one really taking on Widmore is Sayid, and thats because Ben forces him to.

Anyways, thinking about this more makes me really start to love/hate the future flashes. They suck because they reveal glimpses of what already happen, so theres no suspense in the "here and now."

But they have the potential to be GREAT, if only the writers would just, please please PLEASE use them to answer some of the WHY and WHAT questiosn we all have... why are widmore and Ben such enemies? What is Dharma? Why does the island have these weird powers etc...

The shows been going on for 4 seasons now, Itsl more than halfway done, and we still have NO answers. It's so frustrating, man. But, there is still a lot of room for these questions to be answered, and I REALLY hope they are, and satisfactorily, or else this all would have been such a waste of time...

Sigh.

Have I lost faith like Locke?? If so, writers, PLEASE send me an Ecko to bring me back!!

xo
-chopkins

I'm at work now, and I haven't had a chance to do more than skim some of the comments, so I apologize if I'm repeating what's already been said, but according to the O6 cover story, wouldn't three people have died on the island, and not two? 8 people were floating in the water, including a pregnant Kate. They made it to the island, 3 died at some point, leaving 5, and then Aaron was born, giving us the Oceanic 6 (not necessarily in that order).

@76: Good point!! Love to hear someone explain THAT...!?!?!?!

xo
-chopkins

Couple of things...

1. Does "the Temple" count as a station? Didn't see that on the list.

2. Finale starts at 9 pm on the 29th, not 10 pm as it is listed at the bottom.

So I haven't read anything yet... but I must say... the episode was AMAZING.

This was an episode of answers. Now I'm wondering how amazing part 2 will be. AH.

Okay, I need to read now.

→ 62. Posted by: Pete at May 16, 2008 11:11 AM:

"Could they be trying to move the Island in time rather than location?"

Hey Pete i was thinking the same thing. Makes a lot more sense then physically moving it. And I love your timing: 11:11

@76: Couldn't one have died in the water before reaching the island?

@ 5 Morbid0 (and everyone else who commented on this): the scond person responsible for Jin's death, my guesses are either Ben (obv.) or Michael.

Maybe Sun's other Person is Jack, or Locke, whoever happens to kill Keamy which will set off the freighter explosives because that is probably what will kill Jin,
if he's even dead,
if you can even die on this island,
if its even an island,
if non-islands have the power to save or kill people,
if the islanders are even the dead ones, maybe the O/06 are the dead ones, if there even is an oceanic 06.. AHHH!!! Stop me !!

A couple of quick thoughts.

1) like someone above, I've been wondering if by "moving the island" they are talking about time rather than location.

2) was it a continuity error or was there another person (who looked a lot like goodspeed) on the boat next to jin. we saw him next to jin as sun got off but when jin got off right after her, he wasn't there.

3) are widmore and paik allies or enemies?

4) ben wasn't really raised by his parents, Locke wasn't raised by his parents, Walt wasn't raised by his parents, Aaron isn't being raised by his parents. connection?

5) why was the co-pilot so freaked out about the cargo? come to think of it, would that plane really make a trip that far?

@49 DB speculated:

>Cecil Rose,
>My guess is that the crime would be 234 counts of defacing a corpse.

And this, which took place in Thailand, is under UK jurisdiction a crime, how?

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@61 tiffani intuited:

>i think charlette and ole' danny boy will be the two survivors that were lost at sea. dont know why, i just do.

But they weren’t on 815.

>peace&love to all

Are you with Dharma?

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@63 welh cinematized:

>The on-island events gave me the feeling of a dark version of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.

So... The Orchid would be the big “W”?

And Jacob is Spencer Tracy?
Or is he Jimmy Durante?

>The crazy Three Amigos arrive near the Orchid station...

Will Randy Newman be the singing bush again?
Can I be the invisible swordsman?

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64 PiecesofArzt gumshoed:

>Widmore Crimes: theft, destruction of private property, desecration of a corpse (234 counts apiece)

None of them occurring in Great Britain. Who arrests him and how?

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@68 bcre8ve geneotyped:

>108 day's later, she's [Clair’s mom] crashing funerals, neglecting grandkids, and dropping bombs on newly found step sons.

Can’t be a step-mom if never married to dad. Is there a word of “mother of your half-sister”?

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@69 chopkins caterwauled:

>Agreed. This show is dangerously close to jumping the shark. I cant tell if it's brilliant, or just f*&$ing with us or what. I agree with those who've said there is no real suspense since the flash-forwards, since we know ultimately who "lives."

I think they’ve created plenty of suspense, leaving us wondering:

1) What happens to the rest of the Losties, not to mention Others and Freighties we’ve come to care about?

2) Why do the O6 have to lie?

3) How does the island appear to keep interacting with their off-island lives? and

4) What do they end up doing about it?

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@70 dharma boy Roswelled:

>... and did the scene with the view from inside the Coast Guard transport (as the cargo bay opened) remind anybody of the climatic scene from "Close Encounters"?

The opening of the C-130 cargo ramp was a little bogus. They’ve got a nice passenger door right behind the cockpit, complete with steps.

@62/Pete "Could they be trying to move the Island in time rather than location?"

That would certainly explain why the show is still on ABC next week but starts at at 9 pm instead of the regular 10 pm (As pointed out by DaveVT @78.)

[8^)

Nagging question for the boaters out there:

The freighter pilot did not want to move the ship because the depth finder was being scrambled by a transmission (which is getting to be a convenient excuse). How can a sonar signal underwater get jammed from a transmission above water on the ship?

Also, is not the freighter anchored many miles from the island. Aren't reefs confined to a few hundred yards off shore of an island?

Ugh... School sucks. Class is almost over. I won't be able to finish =[

Then I'll have to catch up on a BAGILLION posts. Whatever, I love it.

So what are we going to do with our lives after the finale??? I know we're going to continue analyzing it... but I doubt many people are going to check this every day. =[

I'll miss all of you.

Sorry - dunmb question, whats 'jumping the shark?"

I'm still anxious to see how Mr. Paik will influence all of this.

I'm not sure if anyone said this already... but...

Sun didn't seem happy to see her parents.

If Paik is "responsible" for Jin's death, does that mean that it's because they were trying to "escape" him, or because he had something to do with the crash.

Sorry for the bad English. No time to edit!

This is a frivolous post that exists only to make ilovebenjaminlinusxx have to read a BAGILLION + 1 posts instead of the BAGILLION she referenced in post #87.

Sigh...

After watching last night's epi and reading all of your posts, I've come to realize...it's going to be a LONG 2 weeks.

:(

And that double post wasnt suppose to happen! Sorry! I got the IE error the first time!

Shame on me...pls lock me up with Sawyer in the bear cage.

@85 bcre8ve mistook:

@62/Pete "Could they be trying to move the Island in time rather than location?"

That would certainly explain why the show is still on ABC next week but starts at at 9 pm instead of the regular 10 pm (As pointed out by DaveVT @78.)

Next week the entire two hours is taken up by the Grey’s Anatomy finale. Lost’s two-parter finale will be ion TWO weeks at 9 PM (8 Central) - May 29.
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Speaking of DaveVT @78,

Dave, are you:

1) From Vermont?
2) Attending Virginia Tech?
4) Neither?

(VT class of ’68 and coming up on my 40th reunion here)

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@87 ilovebenjaminlinusxx bemoaned:

>So what are we going to do with our lives after the finale??? I know we're going to continue analyzing it... but I doubt many people are going to check this every day. =[

>I'll miss all of you.

So don’t leave. Last year we managed to keep up sustained conversations, both about Lost and other things, in the /r/a/n/s/o/m/ random topic area.

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@88 JaneSweetz quizzed:

Sorry - dumb question, what’s “jumping the shark?"

Not dumb at all. It refers to an episode of “Happy Days” when Fonzie, water-skiing complete with leather jacket, jumped over a shark. Fans marked it as the beginning of the end of the decent “Happy Days” scripts.

By extension nowadays it refers to the episode that marks the beginning of a series’ decline. I personally think the writer/producers of “Lost”, like J. Michael Straczynski’s earlier example with Babylon 5, will manage to avoid any ‘shark-jumping’ by establishing early on an end to the series and it’s story arc.

93/keluha

That's OK. It gives us more to read during the hiatus.

******MILD SPOILER **************

Here is ABC's official summary of next week, complete with who is guest starring, which is very interesting. Folks we haven't seen in a while inclue WALT, MICHAEL'S MOM, DR. CANDLE and PENNY. Oh, and who the heck is HENRIK?

"The face-off between the survivors and the freighter people continues, and the Oceanic Six find themselves closer to rescue. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Ken Leung as Miles Straume, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte Lewis, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Malcolm David Kelley as Walt, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, John Terry as Christian Shephard, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Kevin Durand as Keamy, Francois Chau as Dr. Marvin Candle, Anthony Azizi as Omar, Alex Petrovitch as Henrik and Starletta DuPois as Michael's mom." Source: ABC

I'm Virginia Tech class of '04. LOST and VT sports are my two passions. :)

@94: I'm Virginia Tech class of '04. LOST and VT sports are my two passions. :)

GRAA, Mac. Will miss you next time, but have faith in vacc to step up.

For me, the most disturbing thing about Kate's "pregnancy" (thus Claire's) is why a plane crash wouldn't cause a miscarriage!

My favorite line, when everyone is looking at the tracking phone: Sun says, "Can't we just call??" Duh.

I haven't done the math, but the press conference mentions day 103 and day 108. Does that fit with "our" already-established timeline?

Does the "photo by a local fisherman" reveal anything?

Why don't the reporters ask who the other 2 survivors were??

What's up with the box that Ben dug up? A mirror, binocs and .... saltines?

As NOTLOST posted: who the heck WERE all those other no-names on the beach? And why take a couple of them on the first wave to the freighter??

Also, the Zodiac seems capable of zipping back and forth with no problem "time-wise".

The writers have claimed that the numbers aren't really that significant (or something like that), but they keep showing up rather prominently.

Another favorite line: Sawyer to Jack, "Did you cut yourself shaving?"

Was Hurley carrying a bag from Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack?? I couldn't read the entire logo.

Re: Hurley's party. First the coconut. Then the statue. Then the island theme. The only thing missing: Smokey. (Maybe he was in the BBQ grill.)

Grammar correction to Locke when he asks Ben about the person on the other end of the mirror signal: It's "With whom", John, not "With who".

Do you think Sun finds out that Paik Industries is connected to Widmore and that's the REAL reason for her investment?

As always, more q's than a's. And while this show was not as engaging as other eps, I'm still hooked and love it.

It's gonna be a looooooonnnnggg two weeks. Thanks, Mac, for giving us a place to go during that time. We're LOST with you, but we'd be lost without you!

More on jumping the shark:

You can see a clip of the actual Fonzie shark-hump here:

http://tinyurl.com/f66b7

You can see a list of shows and when they jumped the shark here:

http://tinyurl.com/2somny

And you can see some fans opinion on Lost and shark-jumping here:

http://tinyurl.com/5x32eg

(The vote is about 2-1 “Never Jumped”)

Whoops....

Make that "Fonzie shark-jump"

h/j next to each other on the keyboard, don't you know.

I tend to agree with the weakness of Sun buying a controlling share in Daddy's company. Daddy is such a gangster, it's a bit surprising that it is even publicly traded. And no matter how big the settlement was, it surely wasn't enough to buy a controlling interest. She was still pregnant in that scene, so it wasn't long after "rescue" Could Hurley's unwanted fortune helped? Though I doubt if Hurley would have wanted to do damage to Sun with his misfortunate fortune. Could there be a Widmore connection here?

I am hoping the writers know what they are doing and that they have a staff who worries only about continuity.

Granted, there is some element of interest in how these widely separated people come together to be rescued, but the greater mystery is how someone, probably Widmore, got them all to go along with the big lie. It couldn't be money as Hurley has more than enough and the rest don't seem to be the venal sort. More likely is the possible threat to those who survived or whom the six think survived after their departure. How much time did they have for the persuasion. Enough to buy Sayid and Jack matching suits?

"Sun says Jin died when the plane crashed."

Didn't Sun say that Jin did survive the plane crash?

Did anyone else notice this in the first scene: when looking out of the front windshield of the military plane, you get the feeling that the plane is moving in reverse because the clouds are getting smaller and smaller, even though the plane must be moving forward...watch it again and let me know what you think.

Long time reader first post.

@ Mister grimm

@ DRivera 43

Remember last week when the Captain was pointing a gun at Keamy after he kill the Doctor. Keamy told the captain, you can't kill me cause I have this, (pointing to the device on his arm) and shot the captain.

I agree Keamy dies , freither goes Kaboom!!

The reunion/kiss between Sayid and Nadia looked kind of awkward.

Faraday's notes say "Space like factors" and "Possible!" wow, can we expect a legitimate scientific explanation.

Expected Shambala to play when Hurley started the camero

Genghis

Good luck Vacc

Sun and group didn't get a penny from Airline. Widmore payed them off to keep quiet and never mention the island. Widmore must have given them a lot of cash so that they would co-operate and not sell their story to the lifetime station.

Forgive me if someone else has already brought this up, but what I don't get is how can that little Zodiac make it back and forth from the freighter so quickly? Isn't the freighter supposed to be 40 miles off the coast of the island? If that's the case, then it's already travelled 120 miles. How can it carry enough gas?

Alex, don't take this the wrong way, but your post made me laugh. It's not the content -- your point about Widmore is just as valid as anything else -- but I always crack up when people swoop in with "definitive" statements about "Lost."

After four seasons, the only thing I'm sure of is that nothing on this show is definitive.

@95, GatorGal

Henrik is one of the Portuguese men in Penny's listening station.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Henrik

I am never going to get caught up this week - over 100 comments already, and I haven't even watched the show yet. Just knowing this review is here is KILLING me!!!

Cecil Rose said,
"Can’t be a step-mom if never married to dad. Is there a word of “mother of your half-sister”?"

In my family we use the term
"mother un-law" for my relationship to my partner's daughter in law. It is appropriate for use in this situation too.
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lovelost said:
"Another favorite line: Sawyer to Jack, "Did you cut yourself shaving?"

Hilarous! I missed that completely.

@99 Cecil Rose:
"actual Fonzie shark-hump here:"
The vision of Fonzie mating with a shark just makes me laugh.

Thank You, I really need that.

I have been away for awhile, busy with real life stuff, but have always read the reviews, some of the comments. I have read all of today's at least. Keep it coming.

I can't believe that I am the first to say, "MIF!"

GRAA, Mac.

@99. lovelost noticed:

>What's up with the box that Ben dug up? A mirror, binocs and .... saltines?

Pretty clearly survival stuff, though why it’s located where it is is a mystery.

That mirror, if you look close, has a transparent “X” in the center of it. The back side is also mirrored in the middle. You look though that “X” from the back, then look at the target through the “X”, stand so that the sunlight falls though the "X" and makes an illuminated “X” on your cheek, then move the mirror until the reflection of the “X” on your cheek lines up with the actual “X” in the mirror, and the mirror is aligned to reflect sunlight to your target. It’s easier than it sounds.

It was standard Air Force survival kit issue some years ago, though it’s been supplanted by an improved model without an “X” that’s half-silvered in the center and creates a bright spot in the image you see looking though the half-silvered portion. Lay that bright spot over the target and you’re flashing it. Even easier and more intuitive.

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@104 islandlurker observed:

>Did anyone else notice this in the first scene: when looking out of the front windshield of the military plane, you get the feeling that the plane is moving in reverse because the clouds are getting smaller and smaller, even though the plane must be moving forward...watch it again and let me know what you think.

That’s the effect of a telephoto lens zooming out (wider, less magnification, wider field of view).

Directors have been known to use that effect in dolly shots by tracking the dolly toward the character or scene being focused on while zooming out, resulting in the character in the center of focus staying the same size, while the surroundings seem to shrink away, thus heightening our attention to the central scene.

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@105 GGG recalled:

>Remember last week when the Captain was pointing a gun at Keamy after he killed the Doctor. Keamy told the captain, you can't kill me cause I have this, (pointing to the device on his arm) and shot the captain.

>I agree Keamy dies , freighter goes Kaboom!!

The thing that bothered me about that scene is the Captain has to know what the device is and what it does for it to be credible, and clearly the Captain doesn’t.

I hope Locke is able to move the island to 9:00 Eastern...8:00 would be even better.

The Sun-Mr. Paik scene reinforced my feeling that Jin is not dead, though neither is he on the island. I think he may have slipped off the freighter(when it explodes?) but drifts off into the wrong heading and ends up in the past, possibly setting up assistance to Sun's take-over.

I tried to get this into last week's mind boggler (this week's episode was just crowded) but missed the cutoff time.

I have been thinking lately that the island and everything else are perfectly in sync. What seems to be strange is the result of a communication problem with the island. Lets posit that light had difficulties penetrating whatever it is that surrounds the island. Whether it be visible light or radio, if the speed of light slows down by passing through the event cone of a black hole from some other part of the universe or Alice's looking glass or the emerald palace or whatever, then what appears to be time travel is just signal delay in one direction or another.

Why did Daniel say "This is not good" when he discovered the synchrony problem.

I still think the best way to think about lost is the way we think about the Odyssey. We suspend a need for rational explanations and enjoy the show for its insights into human nature and the grand themes of story telling, love, adventure, mystery, and revenge.

further to the post regarding: how you can buy a company with the money given during a crash?

I am under the assumption that not only can Sun use her money (and pool the money from the other 5) for the leverage to buy her dads company, but that Ben's minions has money and gives it to Sun. Ben then uses this as leverage on Sun for some yet to be seen reason. This will give ben and the gang assests equal to widmore.

shot in the dark.

Faraday is a liar - so is big red.

I got a strange vibe from Clair's mom.

later

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so, the saltines were 15 years old. Is that the last time the survival kit/mirror signaling were used? Anything of importance happen 15 years ago in our Lost timeline? Does it perchance coincide with the purge?

Somebody help me out here. I don't expect to be "on to" something; every theory I ever throw out is immediately shot down. (My brain seems to be slowing down with age. Hard to keep up, dontcha know.) I don't mind, though. I have real-life stuff to worry about; Lost is merely a pleasant diversion . . .

@lostsox / #115: Amen to that.

That whole thing with Sun buying up a controlling interest in her dad's corporation seemed to come from completely out of the blue...

→ 36. Posted by: LostedIt

I didn't find that so left field. Lots of movies refer to the adult child buying dad's company and ruining him. I suppose it is the modern version of Oedipus.

I think Faraday is going to figure large in the coming eps. Recall that when he was helping Des, Faraday wrote in his notebook that Des was his constant (the way Penny was Des's) in the event he started Quantum Leaping.

Sawyer is apparently back on his game, *Genghis*. *New Otherton* I cracked up.

For those of you, like Deep Cover, who feel that its *game over* because of the future flashes. I would suggest you sit tight. I felt that way initially, but now anticipate a giant shift. After all, if we know everything and the producers are just working out the final details, the show would be done in a few weeks. There is no way they could stretch this out for another two seasons.

~So has it been established which order the "flash forwards" occur? I haven't wanted to believe it, but I'm thinking that the first one (with crazy bearded Jack) was the furthest and each one gets closer and closer back to the rescue and/or island events (which we'll see next week). I hate that, though, because it made me so sad last season to see Jack so tormented (not that I particularly like Jack, but it would be nice to see a "happily ever after" ending for everyone).

~After Sawyer handed off Aaron to Kate and then Kate to Sun, I kept thinking, "Okay, now how do they plan on feeding that baby?" It drove me nuts.

~Why would Keamy need to blow up the boat if he gets killed? To ensure no survivors get off? That puzzles me. And I know there are several of you who think Keamy is hot...but ew, ew, ew! He's so repulsive. *shudder*

~I thought the reunions were touching, but sad when Sayid and Kate didn't have anyone there at first.

~If the freighter blows up, then how do Sun and Aaron get off (which we know they do)and why wouldn't Des and Jin and Michael get off, too, and then also get rescued?

~I was wondering, too, who all the other people were that were getting off the island and on the the freighter and how they are going to explain them away.

~My husband started to doze off during the funeral scene when Claire's mom approaches Jack. As soon as I heard her accent, I said, "Wake up!" I knew exactly what was coming. I'm glad Jack knows...and now we know that when he's reading the bedtime story to Aaron and trying to be Daddy, and when Hurly says "You're not supposed to raise him", that Jack knew Aaron was his nephew. But it makes me wonder why Jack didn't want to see him at all around the time of Kate's trial.

~The review mentioned that Jack's dad's memorial took place 10 months later than it was supposed to....why 10 months later? Isn't it more like a few weeks?

Thanks mac, great review as always! We'll miss you in two weeks but will look forward to vacc's review & your comments.

Just a few observations:

Charlotte is an idiot. And a bitch.

Danny is enjoying his "heroic" role.

Saltines are bad enough when fresh.

Anyone else notice Sawyer's reference to Bensylvania as "New Otherton"? Funny...

The whole island-as-sentient-being is getting more annoying each episode. It was a stretch when Tom first brought it up, & now it seems to be a convenient out whenever TPTB want to manufacture an excuse for someone to not get killed. Are we supposed to assume that the island wanted Alex, Danielle, etc., to be killed, then? Or was it off-duty & missed its cue to wipe out Keamy's team's guns?

I'm not an economist & don't know much about the process of buying a controlling interest in a company, but I thought it was rather unrealistic to make a plot point of Sun buying a controlling interest in her father's company. However, it was *very* satisfying in terms of sticking it to Mr. Paik. Sun is more her father's daughter than perhaps she'd like to admit.

The whole Kate-Aaron storyline teeters extremely close to total implausibility...but unfortunately most of Kate's storyline over these four years has done the same. I think she could have been a lot more interesting character w/better backstory explanations & continuity.

As far as it being Claire's mom who shows up at Christian's memorial service & spills the beans to Jack, I think it would have been more realistic for it to have been Claire's aunt. As occam (#30) & others have mentioned, Claire's mom seemed to be in a permanent vegetative state.

Loved Ben's instructions to Locke, especially the part about which plant to look behind. Does Locke know his botany as well as Ben obviously does?

→ 8. Clementine: "Sayid and Nadia are running a close second to Des and Penny in my awesome love story rankings":

Agreed...if someone looked at me the way Sayid looked at Nadia I think I'd turn into a puddle of melted butter. Hopefully Des & Penny's final outcome is better than Sayid & Nadia's. : (

→ 25. Speedmaster: The Numbers in Hurley's car:

Poor Hurley. Those numbers seem to be haunting him more than anyone else on the show...actually, do the Numbers show up in anyone else's backstory, or is it just Hurley's? If it is just Hurley who's pursued by the Numbers, why him? Have we considered the possibility that Hurley's hallucinating & seeing the Numbers in places that they're not?

→ 68. bcre8ve: "DOCTOR: Why are you giving me this patient's chart? She's been in a comma for months":

I think "ellipsis" works better than "comma" in this case... ; >

→ 76. BluSerene: Simple arithmetic:

Nice catch...will we see TPTB address it?

→ 86. welh: The freighter's location, reefs, etc.:

If I remember correctly, the second mate said that w/o the sonar transmission functioning he wouldn't go any closer to the island than five miles.

→ 99. Cecil Rose: Fonzie & shark-humping:

Thanks for the laugh...I won't be able to hear the phrase "shark jumping" ever again w/o thinking of the alternative!

→ 102. Blinkard Philistine: What Sun said about Jin:

She says, after some significant glances w/Jack, that her husband never made it off the plane.

I'm thinking that it was Jack who cut a deal to participate in The Big Lie, assuming that he was speaking for all of the O6.

→ 108. RAW: The Zodiac & its gas-carrying capabilities:

Maybe it's got a Prius hybrid engine in it. ; )

→ 117. August Paul: Enjoying LOST:

I agree. The idea of a rational explanation at this point is pretty unlikely, but I'm still enjoying the ride!

"Hump the Shark" -- Does that have anything to do with Shark Week?

@119 dharma anne

The closest thing timline wise that happened near 15 years ago was the arrival of Danielle Rousseau and her crew, which if Sayid was mathematically right on how many times the loop was played on the distress call, then give or take a year, thats the only event I remember.

Going back old school, I haven't done the math myself but, I always wondered if Sayid actually new what he was doing when he said it was on loop for 16 years. He never was to good at anything other than torture ><

I'm not sure if this is obvious or not but here goes. Going back to Ben's midnight visit to Widmore's penthouse. Didn't Ben tell Widmore, "You'll never find it." ? Well Ben already knows that Widmore has found the island & sent Keamy & Co., so what is the "it" that Widmore will never find???

re: "New Otherton"

That's what the writers have been calling it, but iirc that's the first use of it in the show.

Personally, I like "Bennsylvania" or "Losteria Lane" better.

@notsoeasy

I actually thought it was pretty believable that Jack wouldn't want anything to do with Aaron, at least at first. Aaron is basically a living reminder that his dad cheated on his mom. Something like that would probably take a little while to get over.

I do wonder why Keamy and his crew would want to blow up the freighter though. How are they planning to get home without it? That copter can't travel that far, can it? Was it actually established that it was Keamy that rigged the freighter?

@ # 126
The way I'm interpreting that is that Keamy & crew found it temporarily, but not for good. Widmore must not have taken control of it like he wants to. In other words, Keamy must fail.

So are all these people supposed to be all over the place now. On the freighter, on the island on the heli etc... I sure hope that locke doesn't "move" the island and they all find themselves back on the island again due to a time shift.

Also since the Heli hit a massive storm and turbulence when heading to the island, shouldn't the zodiac boat also hit some sort of storm heading in and out of the island? What about the timeshifts? Is sayid landing on the island in the future? Is sayid still on the freighter?

@128. I think if the device on keamy goes off if his heart beat stops then that means he's dead so they'd want to destroy the freighter and any evidence that they were out there.

I wish my truck got the kind of gas mileage that Sayid's inflatable boat gets!

@128 and 131:
Also as a guarantee that the freighter wont leave Keamy and his goons behind.

About the mirror flashing, I'm thinking it was Ben sending a distress call to Alpert, since temples are often built high up in the mountains and I think Ben and Alpert are ostensibly still on the same "team." The message could be signaling Alpert and crew to go to the Orchid station. This wouldn't be the first time Ben has allowed himself to be captured while already having a plan in place for his rescue.

About the freighter bomb, it doesn't make sense to me that Keamy is behind it. He's a mercenary and I have to assume he wants to survive, so blowing up the freighter could potentially strand him on the island. Why would he do that? Second, what protection does that provide him against Ben and his crew? Ben would be happy to blow up the freighter. It's gotta be someone else who set the bomb.

But as always, it's just conjecture...

I'm stuck on a plane. 2 hour delay and it's bitter sweet b/c I'm going to miss my dinner reservations for tonight, BUT I get free drinks and get to read the Lost blog.Jacob bless my crackberry!

So, I don't get why Keamey would want to blow up the freighter. who would that benefit? The more merc and crew who die, the more questions their families will have about what happened to them.shouldn't they try to be on the down low considering all the crimes they're commiting and the fact that the island is a secret. also if there's one thing I know about international waters it's that gambeling is legal among other things...different laws apply (that was 4 u cecil).

Really looking forward to Vacc's review as his past posts and articles have been awesome. No pressure or anything ;)