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LOST Theory: Has Eden been found?

This week's LOST Theory was provided by CathyH.
The Holy Bible Depiction of Atlantis as a sunken continent
The Black Rock grounded on the Island
Several weeks back, the producers of Lost said that if people wanted answers to the Lost questions, to keep reading their Bibles.    After "Cabin Fever," I got to thinking about that, and it has provided more fodder for a theory I had already been developing.

Originally, I believed that the island might be Atlantis. Atlantis supposedly disappeared by sinking, but what if it actually just moved?  The four toed statue started me on this theory.  Jacob, Richard, possibly Abaddon and perhaps more, are original Atlanteans.  They can live on for eons, like Tolkien's elves, but they can also be killed. I couldn't remember if we had ever seen Richard's feet when he was wearing crude clothing.

These people are not human, but humanoid. The first humans to set foot on the island were the survivors of the Black Rock. We know that at least one survived and escaped (hence the book purchased by Widmore).

 

Garden of Eden
Cherubims and a flaming sword guard the gate of Eden
 

Nephilim - product of divine-human intercourse

This all seemed very logical until I thought about the Biblical implications. What if the island were even older than Atlantis? What about a place in which humans had been barred? Eden?

In Genesis, God puts an angel at the gate in order to prevent the humans from coming back in, eating from the tree of life and living forever in their fallen state. In the ensuing years, we are also told that the "sons of God went in to the daughters of men" and had children by them. Some speculate that these are fallen angels with an ability to take on a human form and actually procreate.  The resulting children - the products of divine-human intercourse - were not truly human and were a very strong race of giants. These were supposed to be wiped out fully by the flood.
 

Since only the "full humans" were outcast, perhaps some of these folks found Eden.  If they had, they would not be stopped by the guardian as they were not human.   Perhaps the tree had withered by this time. However, one of the safeguards is a magnetic anomaly that allows this paradise to be moved. Either by their own technology and ingenuity or by a natural occurrence, Eden is moved, becoming the island we now know. They are determined that humans not find it and invade it.

Black Rock ledger at auction
Alvar Hanso
Scene from the Orchid Dharma Orientation Video

Jacob as seen in The Man Behind The Curtain
One blogger speculated that during one of the Island's moves, the ship The Black Rock happened to be where the Island moved.  This could explain why the 19th Century Ship is where it is. At any rate, with the arrival of the Black Rock, there are now human inhabitants.

The very properties of Eden - tree of life notwithstanding - enable healing and very long life - seeming immortality for these descendants of the Nephilim (the Anakim) and very long life for a human, perhaps even healing from seemingly mortal wounds. 

Moves take an enormous amount of energy, so the inhabitants do not move the island again after the arrival of the Black Rock. They either kill or assimilate the survivors. However, at least one escapes and writes the ledger that Widmore now owns. The survivor's descendent is Alvar Hanso, who now knows where the island is and finds it. This is the second wave of human invasion. By the time the Dharma Initiative arrives, the remaining Anakim descendents are more human like and very weak. Indeed, there may be only a few. Jacob, the strongest of them, is physically dead, but his spirit lives on, trapped on the island.


The others are too weak to repel the invaders, although they try their best. They need the help of someone with very special abilities AND someone willing to wipe out those of his own kind (many of the others may have also had descendents from survivors of the Black Rock and are almost human now).

 

Richard Alpert meets young Ben Linus

Young Benjamin Linus 

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The Book of Laws

Hugo Grotius - also known as De Groot

Richard Alpert has been watching Benjamin Linus, and feels that he may be the savior they are waiting for. Unfortunately, Ben is also fully amoral. He uses his status to control and manipulate. He also learns how to use everything that Dharma has discovered about the island for his own use, including the teleportation ability. He finds a way to have some control and force some limitations on Jacob.

Eventually, they all see their mistake. The mistake was of course, choosing Linus over John Locke. Everything is set in place for years to bring Locke to the island.

Of all the items that Richard presented to John Locke as a child, two were extremely interesting. Certainly the comic was a great touch. But it was the Book of Laws that interested me. One theorist has mistakenly identified this as The Book Of The Law by Alistar Crowley, a famed occultist. (From the appearance of the book alone, this would not hold true. Crowley's book is fairly short - and has often been issued in pamphlet form). However, it is the Book of Laws. There are three possibilities for this book (1) a Bahai holy book (2) An Arabic holy book (3) A book written by Dutch 16th century Christian apologist Hugo Grotius (also know as De Groot).  

Although it can't be stated with certainty whether the "Book of Laws" was an actual book written by De Groot or a compilation of his works, he was considered "The Father of the Modern Science of International Law"  One of the reasons I considered the DeGroot reference to be correct is that one of De Groot's biggest influences was Jacobus Arminus.  Anyone ever hear of Arminiansm?  Jacob reasoned that free will was involved in salvation and this flew in the face of reformed Calvinism of the time.

And since LOST is about connections - both the connections between the characters as well as the symbolism behind the literary and historical names the writers have given these characters, it is well worth noting that DeGroot had an influence on liberal thinker John Locke.

Grotius intended moral laws to apply to both the individual and the state equally. Although Grotius was somewhat conservative in his views, his ideas on war, conquest, and the law of nature continued to be revered and expanded by more liberal philosophers like John Locke in his Two Treatises on Civil Government (1689). Locke agrees with Grotius in using the analytical device of a state of nature that exists before civil government and in the general claim that might does not make right as well as the claim that just wars aim to preserve rights.

 

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Going back to Benjamin Linus and John Locke.. there is a fundamental difference between them. Everything Ben did and does is about manipulation. Ben uses lies, and preys upon people's weaknesses in order to goad them into making the choice that works in Ben's favor.  In the Pearl Station, Juliet asked Ben how he would convince Jack to do the surgery, and Ben confided that he would "find out what Jack is emotionally invested in, then exploit it". 

Locke on the other hand, does not attempt to undermine the "free will" of others through manipulation. He has, at times, exerted his will upon others, but in doing so he has taken the decision completely out of their hands by forcing their actions. Examples that spring to mind are when he locked Eko out of the hatch, destroyed the computer to prevent Desmond from pressing the button, and forcing Hurley to help look for the cabin at gunpoint.  Locke is truly sorry every time he sees that he has forced people to do things.  His last words before the Hatch implosion were "I'm Sorry! I was wrong!". He apologized to Hugo after finding the map to the cabin, and made it clear that if Hugo was going to stay, it had to be his own choice. Ben, so used to manipulation, believes that Locke has actually manipulated Hugo into staying, but Locke was being sincere. A clear difference between the pair is that when Locke falters, he is sorry.

Although there are some areas where this idea breaks down and lends itself more to the Atlantean theory, many of the themes of Lost - redemption, free will, faith, spirituality - fit more perfectly with the premise of the Island being Eden.  Not only Locke, or Ben, but ALL the survivors of 815 were chosen. The natural properties of the island seem to bring out either the best or worst of the humans. They're all lost, messed up souls. The island will give them a chance, of their own free will, for redemption. So, not only does the island offer redemption via free will, the island's new found redeemer works on the same principal.

by  CathyH

 


Got a LOST Theory? : Readers can submit their own theory by sending an email to me - vacc@coolplaythings.com and include "Lost Theory" in the subject.  You can also nominate any theory already posted in the comments of this blog by posting something like "This would make a good theory submission".  From time to time (or until we all run out of theories), a new theory will be chosen and spotlighted here, for grading, critique, and discussion. .

Thanks again to CathyH for providing some very interesting, timely, and thought provoking ideas for us to debate.

 


Posted by vacc on May 13, 2008 2:17 PM |




Another theologian to mull over -- Kate's stepfather, Wayne Jansen, shares a last name with a Catholic thinker who opined on the relationship between free will and grace...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansenism

#1. Posted by: T. S. at May 13, 2008 2:56 PM

I watched the Cabin Fever episode last night and stopped the show to examine the items Richard presented for young Locke's selection. I believe the title of the book was "Book of Islands", not "Book of Laws" and it had a bookmark in it to a particular page.

#2. Posted by: BSM at May 13, 2008 4:44 PM

Response to BSM

No dude- its definately the "Book of Laws"

#3. Posted by: JaneSweetz at May 13, 2008 6:02 PM

Thank You CathyH Very well thought out.

Now if I could only understand all the ramifications.

1. Why doesn't Jacob show his face to Locke.
2. Why does Locke HAVE to ask "how do I save the island".
3. Free will? Jack had to want to operate on Ben.

#4. Posted by: SamFin at May 13, 2008 10:17 PM

CathyH: Great job!

I’m not sure I believe the island is Eden, but I can definitely see Abaddon and Alpert as the humanoid offspring of fallen angels. And your theory ties nicely into the redemption and free will themes of Lost.

I read a little about The Book of Laws elsewhere, but nothing as interesting as your connections between Hugo Grotius, Arminianism, and John Locke (the philosopher).

Although, I disagree about Island John Locke not imposing his will on others. In my opinion, he is all about “might makes right.” I think his apologies afterwards are too little, too late. His regret is more about his own ego, than about any harm he may cause. And it never stops him from making the same mistake over again. That, to me, is what makes him a tragic figure.

BTW, if anyone is interested in some great sci-fi/fantasy about angels, I highly recommend Sharon Shinn’s Samaria series. Colonists, who arrived on another planet in a spaceship named Jehovah, create a genetically modified race of archangels to keep the peace.

Hmmm... if this is Eden, does that make Smokey the serpent? Methinks Ben is the one who speaketh with forked tongue :)

#5. Posted by: Clementine at May 13, 2008 10:33 PM

@Clementine/5
"if this is Eden, does that make Smokey the serpent?"

I found it interesting that Keamy referred to Smokey as "a black pillar of smoke," which has numerous Biblical references, notably (from KJV):

Exodus 13:21 - And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, To lead them the way.

(Note other translations refer to "a pillar of smoke" rather than "cloud").

Also note Rousseau's reference to Smokey in "Exodus, Part I" (S1, ep 23) ... from Lostpedia:

"A week after her baby daughter was born, she was taken by 'The Others' with the heralding of a Smoke Pillar that appeared 16 years ago."

I know this is not a new observation, but thought it pertinent to bring back up in this discussion ...

#6. Posted by: ealgumby at May 13, 2008 11:25 PM

I like that Smokey 'serpentines'
"over the treeline,
and through the barracks,
to Keamys' team it goes."
But in Eden, wasn't the serpent (evil)sent to tempt a certain young lass to break a 'rule'. Island Smokey seems to have some level of judgment re: good & evil, and to decide and choose. A serpent in Eden would probably not.

I said tempt - if Claires' vision of CHRISTIAN Shepherd was really Smokey in disguise, perhaps she was lured or tempted by an evil entity... she did abandon her first born in the process.

#7. Posted by: DocH at May 14, 2008 1:12 AM

"(1) a Bahai holy book"

This is highly unlikely.

First of all, in the time period of Locke's childhood there was no Kitab-i-Aqdas in print. The first authorized edition was published in English in 1992 and even earlier manuscripts and non-autorized translations were very small booklets--the document isn't nearly as long as the book of laws on Lost appears to be.

Second, I am very familiar with the Kitab-i-Aqdas and its contents have no relationship to the mythical stories one normally can interpret from most holy books, such as Eden, etc. It is really a book of laws: prayer, fasting, inheritance, global governance, moral laws and matters of spiritual belief that are almost completely absent of ritual. I don't even think there is a single reference to Eden in the book.

Oh, and "Kitab-i-Aqdas" means Most Holy Book in English. Its title does not include the words "book of laws."

#8. Posted by: Jonathan Menon at May 14, 2008 6:53 AM

@5 Clementine said - I disagree about Island John Locke not imposing his will on others.

The theory actually states that Locke DOES impose his will upon others - often forcing their actions upon them.

"Too little, too late?" Absolutely! But aren't "real" apologies always "too late" by definition? It seems pointless to apologize for having done the right thing. Or, you could be like Michael and apologize before you pull the trigger, but that seems less sincere.

We've seen that Locke is often wrong, that he has at times clearly misinterpreted things, and has himself, been manipulated into taking the wrong actions. This is human fallibility - a major consequence of free will is that it often leads to making the wrong choices.

That Locke shows repentance after the fact is clearly a characteristic of Locke that is not evident in Ben.
But I think what truly sets Locke apart from Ben in this theory is that by literally "forcing" the actions of others - he takes the decision and "free will" out of their hands..

If Eko had been able to act upon his free will (and he tried) - he would've continued to push the button. Same goes for Desmond after realizing that his failure to push the button resulted in the crash of 815 - and once again, Locke took away his "choice" by smashing the computer.

Contrast this to Ben Linus - who will say or do anything - using lies and psychological mind games - in order to manipulate others.

When all is said and done, they both exert their will on others. Locke by force, and Ben in such a way that the person still has a choice in their actions - but they end up choosing to take the action he always intended for them.

Equating this all to Eden, Ben's way is akin to the serpent convincing Eve to eat from the tree - whereas Locke would've simply tied Eve up and forced the grenade... er... apple.. into her mouth.

In Ben's way, Eve can be held accountable for her actions - in Locke's way the accountability for Eve's actions falls squarely on his shoulders (I suppose you could equate this to adultery vs rape).

Regardless of whether the Eden premise of this theory holds, I believe that the contrast between Locke and Ben speaks volumes about the theme of "free will" as it applies to LOST.

#9. Posted by: vacc at May 14, 2008 10:01 AM

Jonathan Menon/8:

You took the words right out of mouth!

There is no Bahai Holy Book titled "Book of Laws". The book which is a book of laws is titled "Kitab-i-Aqdas" and translated from its orginal Arabic it would be "The Most Holy Book'.

I have never heard it referred to as The Book of Laws. And The Bahai Faith is very particular about translations of the written word being accurate.

So let's stop referring to the Bahai Book of Laws because it doesn't exist.

CathyH: with the exception of that one point, your research is impressive!

#10. Posted by: undaunted at May 14, 2008 1:34 PM

I almost forgot! Eko mentions "The Book of Laws" while speaking to Locke after they viewed the Dharma film.

He told Locke, "The Book of Laws...You may know it as The Old Testament."

#11. Posted by: undaunted at May 14, 2008 1:38 PM

@8/Jonathan Menon & 10/undaunted

I actually researched many of the points CathyH put into her theory before I posted it, and I also took note that "Kitab-i-Aqdas" actually translates to "The Most Holy Book'.

However, both the Bahai Academic Resources Library Encyclopedia and Wikipedia entries for "Kitab-i-Aqdas" state : It is sometimes also referred to as "the Aqdas", "the Most Holy Book", "the Book of Laws" and occasionally "the Book of Aqdas".

Also, when searching Google on the phrase "Book of Laws", the entries from both of these sites about "Kitab-i-Aqdas" appear within the first ten results.


Based on those factors, I really thought that referencing it as a potential candidate in a theory - (a theory which only briefly considered the possibility then rejected it) - was fairly reasonable.

Admittedly, I'm in no position to say whether those actual sources are correct or not, but I do believe that CathyH was diligent enough in her research - definitely meeting the standards for research that goes into theorizing about what's happening on a television show.

#12. Posted by: vacc at May 14, 2008 2:22 PM

This is what I think will happen---

Bus Said.

A Coast Guard type boat approaches the Freighter. Desmond embraces Penny as she arrives on a small boat and they have their memorable kiss. Desmond and Michael leave the Freighter. A small crew with guards stay to make repairs. Desmond knows the way---- compass heading 305.

Sun, Jin, Claire, Hurley, Aaron, Jack, Locke, Kate, and Sayid are on the Beach a half mile from camp. Many have been killed, but is seems the Losties united to defeat some of the mercenaries--- there are some still left. Locke says something is going to happen soon to the Island. ------He and Jack are having a verbal showdown when they see the Coast Guard boat --- (too big of boat to land on the beach) in the distance with a smaller one coming at them—this time with a large British Merchant flag— “Now we’re rescued,” is what Jack says, but Locke says that many do not want to go. “They can’t find out about the Island,” says Locke. “They already have,” says Jack. “We all need to leave as more killers may be coming soon.”

Desmond is with Penny and confirms that these are the good guys. Penny’s men says they will ferry those who want off the island in a larger red raft that is just now inflated for them. “Don’t go,” John pleads. Jack commands, “We need to get as many off as soon as we can---NOW!” “You’ll be back, Jack,” Locke says. “I’ll head up the beach and get the others,” Jack says. But still weak, infection in his wounds, Jin says he will get the others. Jin commands Sun to go on the raft—they have a long kiss. Jin says, “I will join you soon,” and rushes off.

They wade out a bit in order to get to the raft --- the O6 in front, Claire not far behind but she is disoriented, blood coming from her nose. Desmond has her in his arms wading to the raft--- There are the O6 in the raft with Desmond lifting Claire in---being slowly pulled by the motor boat---- Desmond turns around to walk back to penny ----and then the island disappears--- moved by Ben, Desmond descends as the beach below him is gone. Claire also has disappeared--. Hurley says, "Dude, did you just see that!" So it’s the O6 and Desmond rescued— in shock, they come up with a plan to lie as Whitmore cannot find out about this. Later, they don’t want everyone to think they are crazy--- all are sworn to secrecy. Michael and Desmond are to pretend they are dead.

Michael is in the coffin visited by Jack —Desmond shows up to pay respects. “We have to go back.” Desmond agrees, “Bro-tha.”

#13. Posted by: Bus Said at May 14, 2008 3:37 PM

Thanks Cathy for all the thought you put into this. I can believe this as logical.
----------------------------
I found this while looking at the references above on the Book of Laws.

I Googled The Book of Laws and there is a link to The Great Book of Laws.

This is an OZ reference. It seems a Baum book titled Sky Island (Of all things!) was written about a journey in which a

"mixup in names causes the Magic Umbrella to carry them far above the clouds to an entirely different kind of island, an island in the sky. There they run afoul of the Boolooroo, the cruel and arrogant ruler of the Blue Country."

Magic Umbrella=Magic Box?

#14. Posted by: berkyo at May 14, 2008 7:24 PM

Love the theory CathyH!

I'll write more when I have time.
I have some stuff to say. =]

#15. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at May 14, 2008 9:11 PM

. . . And where does Cecil fit in all this? . . .

#16. Posted by: davidrh at May 14, 2008 11:33 PM

O wait, I just pulled a reverse-conniptionbobblelopse!

Remember when you used to tell your wife you only bought Playboy for the articles and never looked at the pictures? . . .

I just looked at the pictures and forgot to read the article . . .

I'm such a doofus.

(Just got off the plane - just really tired . . I'll just leave now and not bother anyone again . . . )

#17. Posted by: davidrh at May 14, 2008 11:39 PM

@16 davidrh pondered:

>. . . And where does Cecil fit in all this? . . .

I still say that picture of Jacob from last season looks like Michaeal Gross, to me.

As to Eden, I think not [*poof*].

#18. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 15, 2008 9:19 AM

No Atlantis is on a different planet, remember?? Like in Stargate

#19. Posted by: Phil at May 15, 2008 9:56 AM

I love this theory, Cathy! Based on a lot of info and quotes given by the producers over the years, the whole Garden of Eden thing could surely fit.

Way to go...fabulous!

#20. Posted by: GatorGal at May 15, 2008 1:36 PM

This is the best theory I've come across. Of course, who knows with these writers. What I like about the theory is that it is simple enough that the writers could have come up with it without having to be experts in every field of knowledge that exists.

There are so many people out there with theories based on so much science and such, with detailed information about physics, and nanotechnology, and space-time stuff, that I just don't think the writers would have put that much energy into a plot from the very beginning.

I don't doubt that the writers are highly intelligent and have varying degrees of knowledge in many fields; I just don't see them making it that complicated.

This theory is simple, yet unique enough and told in such a way that, as viewers, we have no idea what is happening, theoretically. For that, if this is indeed a correct theory (and even if it's not), the writers deserve a prize!

#21. Posted by: tricia at May 16, 2008 1:58 AM

After watching last night's episode and reading these theories...what if...the Orchid (the greenhouse) protects the "Tree of Life?"

#22. Posted by: cissy at May 16, 2008 6:32 AM

@22 cissy hypothesi=zed:

>After watching last night's episode and reading these theories...what if...the Orchid (the greenhouse) protects the "Tree of Life?"

*** POSSIBLE SPOILER, BUT NOT MUCH ***

But the "greenhouse" is just a cover for something entirely different. The Orchid orientation video, screened at last year's San Diego Comicon, but not [yet] on the show has "Dr. Edgar Halliwax" explaining that the Orchid was ostensibly a botanical research station (cover story), but is actually for another purpose altogether - which he never gets around to fully stating because the video is interrupted by upsetting events with bunny #15.

#23. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 16, 2008 9:58 AM

Some thing that has always bothered me when it comes to Smokey, and what I found curious is an incident with Echo.
When Echo first came in contact with Smokey he looked him face on, almost without fear, and Smokey left him alone..I am waiting for an explanation for that. I find it even more curious why Smokey came along later on and killed Echo. This has never happened with any other character in the series.

#24. Posted by: Leonard at May 16, 2008 10:25 AM

CathyH/vacc/mac, et al ...

Yet ANOTHER good religiously-based theory, with lots of supporting circumstantial evidence ... seems compelling on first glance ...

Until you realize the writers are apparently pursuing some relatively Unitarian/PC-safe approach here ... is there ANY religion and/or philosophy they have not yet made subtle/explicit reference to? There ARE some fundamental concepts the show keeps going back to, yet I find these mostly at the intersection point on a Venn diagram of historical thought comprising all reconized religions/philosophies. Throw in a little physics (also all over the map), and voila ... we have a product everyone can relate to, right? At some level, I like this approach, yet fundamentally find it intellectually lazy ...

I assume that the writers' assume (probably correctly) that there are so many literary/theological/philosophical/other references in the show, that the average viewer will "connect" with those familiar to them, and the rest will be ignored. This will leave "average" viewers with the feeling that the show has been "tailored" to them, when in fact it's more of an exercise in throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks (from each audience member's perspective).

I have been hoping they would refine their "view" at some point, to allow more in-depth discussion of the issues at hand, but am now convinced more than ever that will never happen. Why delve into the intricacies of Hindu thought with regard to the show, when there are supplementary/conflicting references to Protestant, Islamic, Catholic, Pagan, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Egyptian, Confucian, Mesoamerican, Buddhist, and dare I say, "Jedi" thought intermingled? The theological aspects are bad enough ... don't even get me started on the conflicting philosophies presented!

In short, I feel they have been playing too many cards for too long, and am getting sick of being dragged around the cultural playground. At least David Lynch had the balls to go with rather unconventional thought in "Twin Peaks" and stick to it, whether the audience "got it" or not ... J.J. is now striking me as merely a pied-piper of popular thought, rather than someone with something to say, and it saddens me.

I keep finding myself drawn to the show, for now ...

That could also change very quickly if I feel like I'm being used, and I'm damn close to that point right now ...

#25. Posted by: ealgumby at May 16, 2008 10:05 PM

Fantastic theory! Probably the best I've heard yet!!!

It also fits that Jacob, the son of Isaac in the Bible, has a vision of a ladder that reaches into heaven with angles climbing up and down it. Could this not only be the Garden of Eden but a gate/passage to heaven?

#26. Posted by: lees at May 17, 2008 3:27 AM

Hi Cathy.

Nice Theory. Not sure whether you were aware or not but your theory recently got highlighted by this article online! It's on page 2. Well done.

http://tinyurl.com/6lpg8o

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