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Lost Random Topic Hiatus Thread (Summer '09)

Posting these threads is always bittersweet. I love that they're necessary (because you guys have built the greatest community ever), but the presence of a Random Topic thread means our beloved show is hibernating.

But enough of the introspection. The regular rules apply: use this random topic thread to discuss "Lost," life, and whatnot, but be nice.

My visits to this thread will be erratic, so drop a line via email if you need to reach me in a hurry (not sure why that would be necessary, but the offer stands).


Posted by Mac Slocum on June 3, 2009 10:42 PM |




First!

;)

#1. Posted by: mac at June 3, 2009 10:50 PM

Now how many loose ends do they have to tie up in the final season?

#2. Posted by: Michael Carter at June 3, 2009 11:36 PM

Michael, that is so not random! Try something like this...

Sing along now...

4 Calling Hurley Birds
8 Neckerchiefs a Necking
15 Corpes Walking
16 Tons of Jughead
23 Flaming Frogurts
42 Diamonds Buried

And a Fertility Doctor detonates an H bo-oh-oh-omb!

Oh, yeah, and...

3rd!

:?

I promise I will not wish this hiatus away, because we'll never have the anticipation of another season (sigh)

#3. Posted by: Clementine at June 4, 2009 12:27 AM

Now Mac...you know MI always F! ; >

#4. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 4, 2009 10:07 AM

I got married a few weeks ago and our favors were Apollo bars.....woohoo!!

#5. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at June 4, 2009 1:03 PM

MIFifth. This blog needs a "photo caption" contest. Haven't seen one of those since March. I can think of a few images that would stir the comedy pot a little. Ben & Richard giving Locke the "What-The-Heck" look (on any number of occasions). Anything re: Dharma Security. Daniel's final moments. Locke-in-a-box.

And why would they put Locke in a box and then fashion wooden poles to carry it? He was in a coffin with built-in handles.

#6. Posted by: DocH at June 4, 2009 1:03 PM

@6: DocH asked: And why would they put Locke in a box and then fashion wooden poles to carry it?

Because, the poles were on sale at The Ark of the Covenant Outlet Store.

#7. Posted by: welh at June 4, 2009 1:26 PM

@ 6. Posted by: DocH at June 4, 2009 1:03 PM

I guess they wanted to protect the body from something or someone. Without it, they would not be able to expose Lockesau.

#8. Posted by: Mischa at June 4, 2009 1:29 PM

So, you-know-who-you-are:

What's the overs and unders on the third week in October?

#9. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 4, 2009 6:06 PM

Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and, with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him a super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.

#10. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 4, 2009 9:54 PM

A group of chess champions got drunk and disorderly while celebrating and got kicked out of their hotel lobby. The clerk who did it got chastised for being rude. He responded, "I'm sorry, but if there's one thing I can't stand, it's chess nuts boasting in an open foyer."

#11. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 4, 2009 10:03 PM

Well, it's Random Topic Thread time, but that doesn't preclude talking about Lost ...

It seems we've reached an impasse regarding the Jacob good/bad thing ... both sides have merit, and there's simply no definitve evidence to prove/disprove either side ... I'm quite sure that's just the way TPTB like it.

Arguing further is moot ... but that said, personally I just don't buy the conveniently simplistic Goofus and Gallant morality play implied by the "Jacob is good theory" ... for that reason alone, I choose to think otherwise (without any evidence, I know, I know ... JMHO!).

So, the "big picture" seems fuzzy, but that doesn't mean we can't delve into the minutiae. Which brings me to Horace ... interesting character. A few people mentioned earlier that they thought dead Sayid might have been skeletor at the van (i.e., Roger Workman), but those thoughts were quickly proven wrong.

However, what if dead Sayid is dead "Horace" from the pit where Locke pulled out the map? I don't recall seeing that idea here, but forgive me if it's passe ... Feeling a bit too lazy to post pics right now, but trust me when I tell you that dead Horace from the pit had his uniform unbuttoned down as far as the scene allowed us to see, at least down to near waist level (I have an HD shot if really necessary to post later on) ... it was pulled up together, but unbuttoned ... a critical detail (maybe?).

You can look up Horace on Lostpedia and see his dead body on the bench post-purge ... fully buttoned up. Sayid was wearing Horace's jump-suit when he was shot (and died?), but Jack unbuttoned the suit down to his waist to get at his wound. The dead body in the pit from which Locke got Horace's map had his suit unbuttoned (unfortunately, we can't see his t-shirt ... dead Horace on the bench had a white tee, but Sayid was wearing a black one ... that would've been definitive). Therefore, I would suggest that dead body belongs to Sayid, rather than Horace himself.

Not sure why this might matter, or if it's just one more example of continuity error, but something has my spidey sense tingling that it's important.

I also note that Horace in Locke's dream kept repeating the tree-chopping scene over and over, and had the bloody nose ... this seems consistent with the time-skipping seen after the "first" FDW turning, including those with time on the island suffering the nose-bleeds. Once again, this might mean nothing, as a "forgotten stub" the writers have long since abandoned ... then again, it might mean something.

I really have no theory here, just observations. If someone can make sense of this, more power to you. Just suggesting that, for whatever reason, Sayid will end up being the dead guy in the pit who's body Locke rifled through for Horace's cabin map.

Is Jacob or Man #2 responsible? I do not know ... nor anyone else (?) but TPTB and Matthew Fox (?). Hate to even suggest it, but perhaps even they don't! ;)

PS: Still think Jacob is going to end up BBBAAADDD! If I'm wrong, I will be shocked ... of course, given Lost's history of surprising me so far, perhaps I shouldn't be! ;)

Still in the dark ... but I kinda like the dark. :)

#12. Posted by: ealgumby at June 4, 2009 10:10 PM

For the ladies out there - and the manly men who aren't afraid to - which scene made you cry the most?

1. Charlie sacrificing himself and saving Desmond in the process.

2. Desmond calling Penny from the freighter and finding his "constant".

3. Juliet letting go of Sawyer's hand in the mine shaft.

4. Sun thinking that Jin had been blown up on the freighter.

And that's just from my fractured short-term memory! What else have y'all got that made you really cry?

Besides Cindy misplacing her scarf, of course.

#13. Posted by: jaybee at June 4, 2009 11:07 PM

@12/ealgumby ...

Nevermind ... I totally forgot that the purge wasn't until much later ... unless of course something changed ;) ...

uggh ...

#14. Posted by: ealgumby at June 4, 2009 11:28 PM

Jaybee, here's my order of heart-wrenching:

1. Desmond calling Penny
2. Sun thinking that Jin had been blown up
3. Juliet letting go of Sawyer's hand
4. Charlie sacrificing himself


My love for Desmond may have influenced the results :) And, yes, my hanky was quite moist after that scene!

The next two (Sun and Juliet) were almost a toss-up. But Sun's scream of anguish as she watched the explosion edged out Juliet's final "I love you". Not by much!

While I do really miss Charlie and hope we see him again (we must!), I never completely "got" his death scene. The whole question about why he didn't close the door from the outside took something away from the emotion of the moment for me.

What about Sayid and Nadia's reunion at the airport? I might even place that scene as #4.

Another moment that comes to mind is after Locke woke up from surgery to find himself alone, couldn't believe his father was only interested in him as an organ donor, and drove to Anthony Cooper's mansion in his little beater car, only to be turned away by the (formerly friendly) gate-keeper. Parental rejection at its ugliest! Terry O'Quinn is the best actor on the show, in my book.

And I've probably wanted to cry during some of Jack's scenes (in disgust), but let's not go there!

Great question!

#15. Posted by: Clementine at June 4, 2009 11:52 PM

I'm an emotional kind of guy, so I don't mind telling you that Sun's scream was one heartrending moment - but I actaully think I felt worst for Sawyer with Juliet dying - or falling - or perhaps fooming - or blowing up . . . whatever happened . . .

There were a good number tearjerker moments, but I think a lot of them to me were OMG moments . . . I can't believe this is happening.

Realizing that most of those were the FINAL SCENE ENDING (tho there were others for sure) - how about a tally from folks on what you think was the ultimate "I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING" moment of the entire length of the series . . .

(Remember, some may appear to be "not so bigdeal" now, but at the time of their broadcast they may have been the biggest shock of the moment....)

I always think about that first season scene with Locke and company staring down that long hatch escape. Talk about the "what now?" thoughts in our minds that night? . . . Things were about to change . . .drastically.

#16. Posted by: davidrh at June 5, 2009 7:13 AM

*****SPOILER ALERT*****

The latest EW has scoop that Claire will be back as a regular next season. TPTB left as a mystery of course how she would be coming back or why. But coming back as a regular it would seem she would have an important role to play.

*****END SPOILER ALERT*****

#17. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at June 5, 2009 9:45 AM

Jeff Jenson asked a few weeks ago what are the three mysteries that you resolved in S6. My three were basic questions:

1. What is the Premise of the show?

2. What are the Rules?

3. When did the writers start making things up on the fly?

#18. Posted by: welh at June 5, 2009 10:22 AM

I don't know about heart-wrenching, but my allergies were at their worst when Sawyer had to let go of Juliet.

- - -

I'd never vote for anything Penny. Not since I found out she's a soft core porno who doesn't give a cr@p about LOST... except for the paycheck.

#19. Posted by: VisineA at June 5, 2009 12:25 PM

i think my ultimate moist eyes moment was back in season one when boone died... I think it hit the hardest cuz i wasn't prepared for it, we didn't know yet that we should expect any main character to die at any time. next would definitely have to be sun's scream of anguish. gives me shivers just to remember it.

ultimate wft moments:
--reveal of john locke's history in a wheelchair
--reveal of michael killing libby and anna lucia and then freeing benry
--reveal of the man in the box
--reveal of the first future flash
--john and boone first find the hatch
--the pilot getting killed in the cockpit by smokey... and the polar bear... and the french transmission... and the appearance of the numbers on the outside of the hatch

really i could keep going and end up listing half of the show :)
the wtf moments are what keeps us coming back!

#20. Posted by: klughs at June 5, 2009 3:22 PM

Right now, I'm only worried about the little Filipino baby!

#21. Posted by: Sayidisn'tso at June 5, 2009 4:06 PM

Is there anything to the fact that Henry Ian Cusick has a son named Esau :)

#22. Posted by: Ellis at June 5, 2009 4:27 PM

When exactly did John Locke die? When Ben strangled him? Or when he fell from his dad's appartment?

It seems that Jacob brought him back to life by touching him after he fell. So did he die twice?

And what about John's brush with death at the Dharma grave site? Who appeared to John as ghost Walt? Walt himself, Man2, Smokey, Jacob? And did he help save him or was it enough that John was missing the vital organ that the bullet was meant to hit?

Jacob 'chose' Locke, initially. Man2 somehow uses John's body/mind after it is returned to the Island, as a loophole to kill Jacob. But Jacob seems to foresee everything. He knows more than Man2, like 'they are coming'. He made sure that Ilana and the Statuarians show up with Locke in the box. And perhaps he knows about the Lostees pending return, and man2 doesn't.

I think it will be Others vs Statuarians, with some Lostees on either side. All those slips of paper Ben was talking about, I don't think they came from Jacob at all. I think that Jacob was put out of play by Richard a while back (manipulated into it by Smokey aka Man2, in a fiendishly clever way), who then manipulated Ben into thinking he was working for Jacob, while he was really working for Alpert who has been blinded by the dark side and is unwittingly serving it's will. Alpert probably is convinced that he is doing the right thing for Jacob and the Island, right up untill when Man2's treachery is finally revealed to him by Ilana. Man2 will now lead the Others. To become an Other, you have to be baptized by Smokey/Man2. Something dies inside you, something good. It changes you forever, you can never again leave the path of shadows, of the dark side. The Statuarians are the Islanders who have stayed pure, unspoiled by Smokey. They are Jacob's true people. They were forced to temporarily leave the Island, when Jacob was taken captive. Now they are back to reclaim it.

Jacob the entity may still be present on the Island, to lead the Statuarians in the war against Man2 and the Others (final confrontation at the temple:D!). Even if he is dead, he has probably already planned his strategy, foreseeing how the different players will act.

#23. Posted by: Mischa at June 5, 2009 4:49 PM

i'm intrigued by mischa's assertion that you have to be initiated into 'otherness' by smokey...
i've been believing that smokey=manTwo=NOTlocke. but there are some inconsistencies.
for example, the others often talk about being the good ones, making references to people that are not the good ones. these ideas seem to be in alignment with smokey's philosophy of judgement. if the others are in fact followers of jacob, smokey's enemy, then why would they all have the same philosophy... seems weird, right?

so, possible explanations include:
a) (courtesy of mischa:) RA was compromised and has been giving manTwo's lists and orders and philosophy to the others while jacob has in fact been inprisoned
OR
b) maybe smokey is in fact a manifestation of JACOB, not manTwo. think about it... they have the same philophies of good people and bad people. maybe manTwo and Jacob are BOTH able to manifest as dead people. so while NOTlocke has been a manifestation of manTwo, then yemi, ben's mom, alex, and others have been a manifestation of jacob... all playing into jacob's mega-superstar con over manTwo.

my one issue is... if smokey is jacob is leader of others, then, why did the others have to bother with the brainwashing room #23... if they wanted to convert carl and sawyer to 'otherness' why couldn't they have just enlisted smokey/jacob's help?

#24. Posted by: klughs at June 5, 2009 6:18 PM

loose ends that i'd love tptb to tie up in season 6:

how did the man from Tallahassee get to the island?

what about the "sickness" and the quarantine on the hatch door and the vaccines?

what was the deal with that brand on juliette's back? that was just weird and unexplained

if communication with the rest of the world could be resumed with a button at the looking glass station, then why did ben hide that button? why cut the island communication off with the rest of the world?

i still don't get how eloise showed up in desmond's visions in flashes before your eyes...

cindy and kids... where are they? but more importantly, why were the others stealing people in the first place?

how did widmore know to plant the fake plane?

what's the deal with mittlos and how'd they get all their money? what was ben doing with all those passports?

#25. Posted by: klughs at June 5, 2009 6:53 PM

First off, I'm aware that I'm writing these things as if I believe them to be facts, but that's just how my thoughts come out of my fingers, it's all mere speculation ofcourse :)

@Klugh:
I like the idea of Jacob and Man2 being physical appearances of 2 sides of the same man/entity. Makes sense. Dark and light can't exist without eachother. Maybe he's a schizophrenic and his multiple personalities manifest themselves as true, seperate entities.

I also get what you're saying about the Others and their agenda. But Bram also talked about the statuarians being the good guys. Dharma thought of itself as good. Everyone thinks that they're the good guys, doing what's best for the Island or for their own people or for the whole world, the future.

So who is leading who?
1. Ilana has ties with Jacob. He asks her to help him. She also seems to be the leading Statuarian.
2. Man2 tells Richard that they need to 'take care' of the Statuarians. You know what he means.
3. Man2 poses as Locke. Smokey tells Ben to do anyhting Locke says. Locke says, kill Jacob.
4. Man2 leads the Others, as Locke. One short speech and they follow him across the Island to Jacob. They may not know who he really is, but still. Alpert might.
5. Alpert's comments to Kate and Sawyer about the consequences of rescueing young Ben. Losing his innocence. Forever becoming an Other.

Conclusions:
Man2=Smokey=leader of the Others
Jacob=semi-human=leader of the Statuarians

And those are the facts ;-P

#26. Posted by: Mischa at June 5, 2009 7:28 PM

→ 25. klughs: "loose ends that i'd love tptb to tie up in season 6:"

I'll take a "best guesstimate" stab at a few of them...

how did the man from Tallahassee get to the island?

Ben had off-island operatives stage the car crash, then transport a drugged Cooper on-island with the intention of emasculating Locke as a leader.

what about the "sickness" and the quarantine on the hatch door and the vaccines?

The purge happened courtesy of poisoned gas. Any remaining Dharma operatives would have had to follow certain criteria to prevent exposure to any more biological weapons.

if communication with the rest of the world could be resumed with a button at the looking glass station, then why did ben hide that button? why cut the island communication off with the rest of the world?

At that point, Ben knew the Widmore freighter team was en route. Ben cut off all off-island communications in an effort to prevent anyone on-island from communicating with the freighter.

i still don't get how eloise showed up in desmond's visions in flashes before your eyes...

Those weren't visions- Desmond's consciousness jumped into his actual physical body in the past. Eloise herself was actually there to make sure that Des chose the correct path and voluntarily agreed to go to the island and push the button.

cindy and kids... where are they? but more importantly, why were the others stealing people in the first place?

A guess is that the Others were being punished by someone/something who was preventing the mothers from carrying their pregnancies to term. One way to soothe unhappy couples who want but can't have children is to provide them with surrogate children.

how did widmore know to plant the fake plane?

Apparently with a lot of money. Because Faraday traveled back in time, plus Hawking had his journal, Widmore had decades to prepare for the fake crash.

Anyone else care to take a shot? I'd love to hear alternate theories.

#27. Posted by: Mizzed at June 5, 2009 8:39 PM

To the folks who were encountering an issue with IE ... I *think* I may have fixed it (the Google Friend Connect box doesn't play nice with IE -- this, sadly, is a documented glitch).

However, if you continue to run into problems please drop me a line directly. I really appreciate the help!

(Special thanks go out to Cecil and ealgumby for their troubleshooting assistance!)

#28. Posted by: mac at June 5, 2009 10:31 PM

Juliet walked into the kitchen behind Sawyer, as he was bending over to wipe up a spill on the floor. "See anything you like?" he asked suggestively. "Yeah," she said. "You doing housework."

#29. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 6, 2009 11:53 AM

2012: Tsunami of Stupidity:

tinyurl.com/m998cx

Totally agree ... ten years ago, I mostly bit my lip over the ignorance/scams of Y2K fear mongers ... not this time. This BS needs to be revealed as the complete crap it is, well before we reach the same frantic crescendo of insanity that preceeded Y2K ... of course followed by ... anyone, anyone?

2012 will come and go, but then of course, all the wingnuts/conmen will shift gears and begin harping about the great "timeval 2038" emergency to come 26 years later. Can I trademark "TV38" now?

#30. Posted by: ealgumby at June 6, 2009 1:52 PM

Fast thought...

Jacob/power could be playing both sides of this contest. he posses as the both the ying and the yang and is testing mankind. if the christian God is a Trinity of one, why not have the same diety in our beloved story? This time we are being tested and judged,

#31. Posted by: steve at June 6, 2009 5:45 PM

First, I wrote all of this before I read any of the comments here. So some of what you've written might cause me to rethink my ideas.

However, I've just watched the final episode again from Season 5, and I've got a new notion: perhaps Juliet setting off the bomb (if she did) and the screen turning white at the end coincides with the stabbing of Jacob 30 years earlier. I know that from the blogs that I've read here and elsewhere, most theories revolve around what Juliet did and people figure that either the bomb or the pocket of electromagnetism created "The Incident" and will somehow reset time.

But what if the next season's changes are really all about the stabbing of Jacob by Ben and Locke-Not-Locke kicking Jacob in the fire? Maybe that is what will cause all of the changes in the up-coming season. (Maybe Jacob being kicked into the fire will turn him into the Smoke Monster!)

My notion tonight is that everyone will find themselves NOT in Los Angeles and not in either 2007 or in 1977 on the island, but far back in the island's past when the statue was whole and Jacob and the Man in Black (featured at the beginning of this episode) were inhabiting the island and the boat with the sails was approaching.

And when Jacob said "They're coming" as he was stabbed by Ben, that is what he was talking about. Somehow, our "Losties" are going to show up on the island in the far distant past, and they'll be on that boat, and Jacob and the Man In Black will still be using them to carry out their fight with one another.

Well, that's my theory for tonight, anyway . . .

#32. Posted by: LostLove at June 7, 2009 1:44 AM

→ 12. Posted by: ealgumby

"However, what if dead Sayid is dead "Horace" from the pit where Locke pulled out the map? I don't recall seeing that idea here, but forgive me if it's passe ... Feeling a bit too lazy to post pics right now, but trust me when I tell you that dead Horace from the pit had his uniform unbuttoned down as far as the scene allowed us to see, at least down to near waist level (I have an HD shot if really necessary to post later on) ... it was pulled up together, but unbuttoned ... a critical detail (maybe?).

You can look up Horace on Lostpedia and see his dead body on the bench post-purge ... fully buttoned up. Sayid was wearing Horace's jump-suit when he was shot (and died?), but Jack unbuttoned the suit down to his waist to get at his wound. The dead body in the pit from which Locke got Horace's map had his suit unbuttoned (unfortunately, we can't see his t-shirt ... dead Horace on the bench had a white tee, but Sayid was wearing a black one ... that would've been definitive). Therefore, I would suggest that dead body belongs to Sayid, rather than Horace himself."

When I rewatched "The Incident" tonight, I noticed that Sayid put on Horace's jumpsuit, so I think that ealgumby may be onto something. It's a really good clue. Of course, Horace may have had more than one jumpsuit with his name on it, too!

This whole business with Rose and Bernard is bothering me: I am having trouble remembering who was caught up in time-jumping and who wasn't. But if they were on the island when the flaming arrow attacks were happening, but chose to not take up with Sawyer/LeFleur at Dharmaville and just kept to themselves, weren't they affected by the time-jumping nosebleeds and disorientation? And if they weren't, why not? They were on the island the whole time, from when it first disappeared . . . So didn't they jump around in time?

And if they just kept to themselves, how did they know that they were living 30 years in the past (which one of them mentioned?) Who told them the timeline if they were avoiding everyone?

When it comes to my most shocking/most tearful moment, I think the one that really affected me was when Nadia was hit by the car.

I could feel it, just watching it . . . and I loved Nadia and Sayid together.

#33. Posted by: LostLove at June 7, 2009 2:06 AM

→ 30. Posted by: ealgumby

Good article, but the writer forgot to mention that December 21, 2012 was also the big secret date that the aliens would come to take over Planet Earth on the "X-Files," thanks to the Cigarette Smoking Man and the Government Conspiracy of Your Choice!

Now, about 2038: if I'm still around by then, will I still be using my Mac OS X?
Probably not . . .

Now I promise to stop monopolizing this forum tonight.

#34. Posted by: LostLove at June 7, 2009 2:45 AM

→ 30. Posted by: ealgumby

Good article, but the writer forgot to mention that December 21, 2012 was also the big secret date that the aliens would come to take over Planet Earth on the "X-Files," thanks to the Cigarette Smoking Man and the Government Conspiracy of Your Choice!

Now, about 2038: if I'm still around by then, will I still be using my Mac OS X?
Probably not . . .

#35. Posted by: LostLove at June 7, 2009 2:47 AM

My Mama always said - If it was worth saying once, it certainly bears repeating . .

#36. Posted by: davidrh at June 7, 2009 7:35 AM

Oh my. Sorry about the repetition. The computer froze and then it looked like it didn't show up the first time around. So I tried again (with an additional sentence) and had twins. I have no idea how the one with the added sentence showed up first.

I'll slink away now . . .

#37. Posted by: LostLove at June 7, 2009 10:38 AM

My Mama told me you better shop around.

This dude votes for scene where Des called Penny. And though the Juliet "death" scene was intense, by the time we arrived at this season's finale, I was too cranky about the time traveling to feel as invested as I would have liked.

The biggest wtf moment for me was Jack's "we have to go back." Did NOT see that coming. Michael shooting up the hatch was up there, as was the scene that got me really hooked on the show in the first place: "We're gonna have to take the boy."

#38. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at June 7, 2009 11:10 AM

The Horace-is-Sayid theory is interesting, But how would Sayid, who (in this scenario) died in 1977, end up in the DI pit- which was filled in 1992?

I mean, Horace defiantly died in the Purge anyway...

#39. Posted by: Abbie at June 7, 2009 4:18 PM

→ 39. Posted by: Abbie

"I mean, Horace defiantly died in the Purge anyway..."

Unless history has already been changed by the arrival of the Losties as part of the DI and the Purge didn't happen at all, or happened at a different time than we originally thought because their presence in 1974-1977 changed the DI timeline. (Unless, of course, they were already there originally.)

Then again, Horace probably did have more than one jumpsuit.

I'm probably missing something here, because I haven't seen all of the Season 2 and 3 episodes. I need a timeline to help me remember WHW ~~ What Happened When?

Head aches now . . .

#40. Posted by: LostLove at June 7, 2009 5:31 PM

mizzed
cool to see someone take a stab at my q's... thanks for the insight!

regarding the man from Tallahassee... the question of how he got to the island is still raised for me because the sub was out of commission when he was revealed to us... remember the sonar ping wasn't working since the day the sky turned violet. so unless ben actually had brought the man from Tallahassee before desmond turned the key then the question still remains....

your other theories sound very plausible however. appreciate a fresh point of view on some of the things that have been rolling around the back of my head for the past couple years.

I must watch flashes before your eyes again to really remember eloise's role there. and regarding the others stealing people back in season 1 and 2... well, i've just recently rewatched those seasons and the others kidnapped more than just children... they kidnapped 10 or 15 adults too. having just seen those episodes, the fertility issues just don't seem to answer that question for me...

#41. Posted by: klughs at June 7, 2009 10:56 PM

→ 41. Posted by: klughs

"regarding the man from Tallahassee... the question of how he got to the island is still raised for me because the sub was out of commission when he was revealed to us... remember the sonar ping wasn't working since the day the sky turned violet. so unless ben actually had brought the man from Tallahassee before desmond turned the key then the question still remains...."

Just a hunch:
It would appear that Jacob has been able to come and go from the island whenever he pleases. It would also appear that Jacob knew that Locke's father would push him out of the window: otherwise, why would he have been reading the book on the bench very near to where Locke landed? He needed to be there to 'touch' Locke back to life after the fall.

So it wouldn't surprise me if Jacob somehow was able to get The Man From Tallahassee to the island in the same way that he got there.

I suspect that Jacob has been using Locke for a long time, with both Richard and Ben as his emesaries at various times. Ben may not have ever seen or met Jacob, but he did receive his lists and faithfully followed the instructions. And the more I watch the early episodes, the more I think that Locke was playing into Jacob's plans from the very beginning, when he was miraculously healed after the plane crash.

I think that Locke was being tested by Jacob from his very first moments on the island. Jacob needed Locke to die and then to become re-animated and attack him. I'm guessing that the whole Locke scenario will turn out to be a part of Jacob's master plan.

Like I said, it's just a hunch.

#42. Posted by: LostLove at June 8, 2009 10:02 AM

Long Post Alert

The comments about the Man from Tallahassee and Sayid in the purge pit, got me to another random, roaming tangent. I always thought in the Purgatory theory that everyone on the island was already dead, and the airplane crash was the illusion-method of getting the characters to make personal atonements prior to final judgment.

A new, grim take on the "They are all Dead" camp:

Death Merchants.

Human beings have a want of pure Darwinism and can kill themselves doing the most stupid things. However, what if there are spiritual beings who create human fatalities in order to steal that person’s soul? (Jacob and Man#2 beach talk). Favorite method of extraction: car accidents where fatalities are expected.


Premise: Every character we have seen in the show is already dead.

Means of Demise: Death Merchants, evil or magical beings, create situations where human targets are killed at the right moment that they can steal their souls. Souls in the Egyptian understanding of a ka, and body double reconstituted in some form of an afterlife existence.

Objective: Once the souls are taken, they are programmed with new timeline of events (Room 23 mind control). Then the souls are released on the island (an illusion or projection like Horace’s skipping holographic image near the cabin). The true purpose of taking souls is unknown, but we have been making analogies to various “games” between spiritual beings. The "con" on the characters is that their reality, their "time lines" are not real.

The humans who are killed by the death merchants retain their last, most vivid emotional thoughts and feelings (i.e. the daddy issues, murderous actions) which cannot be erased during mind control (The Human Variable).

If you take into consideration the factual or continuity errors as being not real, but post-death emotional brain washing cues, then it does not matter if anything truly makes sense or needs to be answered because it is all diversionary to keep the big premise hidden from the viewers until the last reveal.

Below is a work--in-progress character list and their possible “real” demise (clues being any odd character story lines that have reoccurring consequence in island events) before boarding 815:

Jack: not the great doctor in his flashbacks: real cause of death, drug OD in Thailand (drug spiral, never resolved father issues, odd tattoos)

Kate: after killing her stepfather, while under arrest with Mars, killed in traffic accident when
horse crossed car’s path (leading to her perception of out of body experience and continual flight panic from Mars/authority figures, seeing the horse on the island)

Hurley: died of a heart attack when he watched Lottery drawings and his "Numbers" won (recall, Hugo fell flat on his face when the Numbers were revealed; from that point in his mind the Numbers haunt him)

Locke: killed when his mother was hit by a car while in the womb (raised by others as a special or “miracle” baby, but in essence a blank canvas that can be easily programmed) I would also put premature Ben in this situation.

#43. Posted by: welh at June 8, 2009 11:41 AM

fyi, lost untangled for season finale is FINALLY up! :)

#44. Posted by: klughs at June 8, 2009 9:11 PM

→ 39. Posted by: Abbie at June 7, 2009 4:18 PM

I mean, Horace defiantly died in the Purge anyway...


Here's one take of Horace defiantly dying:

Horace: I will not die in the purge.
Horace: I will NOT die in the purge.
Horace: I WILL NOT DIE IN THE PURGE!

Or this?

Horace: You can't kill me, dude. I'm the reincarnation of George Washington. Now where can I find me a cherry tree to chop down or blow up or sumthin...

Or how about this?

Horace: Go ahead, man. I've inhaled way more lethal stuff than what's in that canister, man.

#45. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at June 8, 2009 9:45 PM

Help, my friends, I have a problem.

I went to see "Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian." One of the main characters was the older brother Ra. When he started talking about his younger brother and the door to the Underworld, etc., etc. I started smacking my husband in the arm saying, "That's from Lost, that's from Lost!"

I got so wrapped up in thinking about Lost, I couldn't even concentrate on the movie. Yes, I have a problem. I'm ready for January.

On a side note, a movie recommendation - as long as you are not easily offended, The Hangover is the FUNNIEST raunchy, R-rated comedy that I have seen in a long time. Not for the weak of heart, but funny, funny, funny.

#46. Posted by: lost2theworld at June 9, 2009 9:01 AM

Locke's explanation of the 'MouseTrap' rules. Deus ex Machina 2005

A Game.

Its my favorite game actually... I used to play it with my brother.

Its called MouseTrap.

Well you start with all these parts off the board.

And then one by one, you Build a trap.

Chew? Bacca? Tube.. Piece by Piece it all comes together.

And then you wait til your opponent lands here on othe old Cheese wheel.

And then if you set it up just right. You spring the Trap.

Go ahead kiddo.


Sound like a plan?

And umm... LOCKE HAS A BROTHER?!?!


Deus ex Machina (wiki) http://tinyurl.com/2dno9d

literally "god from the machine" is a plot device in which a person or thing appears "out of the blue" to help a character to overcome a seemingly insolvable difficulty.

#47. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 9, 2009 6:15 PM

Sayid's favorite Republican Guard bar joke...

What did the german clockmaker say to the clock that only went 'tick, tick, tick'?
'Ve haff vays of making you tock!'

#48. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 10, 2009 2:44 AM
#49. Posted by: Republican Guard Bartender at June 12, 2009 2:15 PM

ok. so i just rewatched 'flashes before your eyes' and i still don't get it.

eloise knows that the man with the red shoes is about to die... how? eloise knows that desmond should come into the ring shop, almost buy the ring, but then at the last moment wimp out... once again, how does she know this?

i can get that she knows general things about desmond (that he pushed the button, etc) from reading her son's journal, but i still am very unclear about how she knew those specific events... it was almost as if she was experiencing the whole thing for a second time WITH desmond. is she a time consciousness traveler too? cuz if she was travelling via the FDW then there would be two of her (one past body and one future body). but since there was only one of her...

argh... minor nosebleed approaching. anyone care to take a stab at helping me understand this?

#50. Posted by: klughs at June 12, 2009 4:52 PM

50. Posted by: klughs
sure
it's a tv show, not reality

#51. Posted by: mtncbn at June 12, 2009 9:29 PM

geesh, no need to be so snarky, mtncbn.

if you're not in the mood to read musings on lost, just go to another website. no need to get insulting...

#52. Posted by: klughs at June 13, 2009 7:41 PM

This is kinda random!

ilovebenjaminlinusxx has caught the flu! Positve for "influenza A". Possibly swine...

Stay 6 feet away for 7 days!

#53. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at June 13, 2009 8:58 PM

I'd like to hear more from Republican Guard Bartender. He had me at Hello.

#54. Posted by: Clementine at June 14, 2009 7:50 AM

I believe I shall try to use the word "snarky" in conversation at least six times today . . .

It's seems a great word.

#55. Posted by: davidrh at June 14, 2009 8:03 AM

WARNING: Do not say to your wife when she wakes in the morning, "Hello my dear - my but you look delightfully snarky this morning"

The swelling in my left eye is starting to go down now . . .

#56. Posted by: davidrh at June 14, 2009 12:22 PM

We had a bonfire last night. A friend was over and she's a whole season behind on Lost. She and her significant other don't like commercials so they rent the DVDs after the fact. How do you talk to someone like that without being snarky? ;-)

#57. Posted by: lost2theworld at June 14, 2009 3:24 PM

From the most recent issue of TV Guide (no spoilers):

Hurley's Hawaii

You may have to wait until winter to get your next Lost fix, but there's no need to go through total withdrawal. Ease into your Dharma-less summer with Dispatches From the Island, Jorge Garcia's personal blog about his real life on the island—Hawaii, that is. "I was oing to do it all about Lost, " say Garcia, who plays lovable Hurley, "But some people were nervous that fans would figure out spoilers." While Garcia does post exclusive tidbits from the set, the quippy chronicles of this everyday life are the real gold. And we do mean everyday—no late-night shenanigans or scandalous party stories here. It's a "regular-guy" life, as Garcia dubs it, with trips to the museum and culinary observations. (Example: "I have no clue what to do with bread fruit. This is not like any fruit I've ever come across. Not like any bread, either.") Says Garcia, "I try to find humor in the mundane." That outlook's a big part of Garcia's motivation to write—and a great reason to log on. "When I think of something that makes me chuckle, I want to share it with everybody." How Hurley of him!

http://dispatchesfromtheisland.blogspot.com/

And:

From the article The 100 Best TV Episodes of All Time:

#5: LOST "Pilot" (9/22/04 & 9/29/04)

What, exactly, were they thinking? The writers, the directors, the cast—did they really think there was a network series in this bizarre pilot about a downed airplane & the mystical mayhem it unleashes? Maybe not, and viewers are all the better for it. Damon Lindelof says he & co-creator J.J. Abrams found it "incredibly liberating" to craft a pilot that no one seriously expected to work as as a weekly series. "It freed us up to do things that normally would've scared the hell out of us." Not that the weight of their endeavor completely escaped them. One line in the pilot particularly resonated with foreboding for Lindelof. "I'll never forget the day we were shooting Dominic Monaghan [Charlie] as he looked around and said, 'Guys, where are we?'" It was that moment, Lindelof says, when he realized, "Wow. We might actually have to answer that question one of these days."

#58. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 14, 2009 6:56 PM

As an amateur chef I love cooking shows. Check out Top Chef Masters on Bravo, Wed 6/17, 10E/9C. The judges will be the Lost writers. The chef's will be using ingredients that can only be found on the island.

#59. Posted by: iheartsawyer at June 15, 2009 3:11 PM

@55&56
hahahahhahahahah!!!! thanks for the chuckles davidrh

#60. Posted by: klughs at June 15, 2009 11:47 PM

TWOP is conduction their annual polls for the best and worst of everything in TV. 26 different polls for you to select your choices in at:

http://tinyurl.com/mvhehd

Other sets will be released there on Mondays the 22nd and 29th.

These are the preliminarties, which will be used to narrow down to final choices in a second round of polling beginning July 6.

"Lost" numinations in many categories. Vote for (or against) your favorite mouth-breather.

Lost had more nominations in the "Best Performance By An Inanimate Object" than any other show.

#61. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 16, 2009 12:29 PM

@61/Cecil Rose: "Lost had more nominations in the 'Best Performance By An Inanimate Object' than any other show."

How many of those did Matthew Fox garner?

#62. Posted by: ealgumby at June 16, 2009 8:30 PM

→ 62. ealgumby re 61/Cecil Rose: "Lost had more nominations in the 'Best Performance By An Inanimate Object' than any other show."...How many of those did Matthew Fox garner?

None...his nose moves when he breathes. ; >

#63. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 16, 2009 8:35 PM

@63/Alaïs_Longthought: "None...his nose moves when he breathes. ; >"

But what of animatronics? SO realistic ... his nose moves when he breathes!

He also stands rigidly, *and* rotates his head slightly, before giving such memorable lines as "Is he?" and "Kate? Sun? Frank?" let alone emoting the stunningly polysyllabic "How did all this happen?" ... clearly the 'Best Performance By An Inanimate Object' on Lost ... unless you count dead John plopping to the sand from his Locke's box! ;)

#64. Posted by: ealgumby at June 16, 2009 9:09 PM

→ 64. ealgumby: "He also stands rigidly, *and* rotates his head slightly..."

Come to think of it, Matthew Fox does remind me of Big Jim... ; >

#65. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 16, 2009 9:52 PM

@ 65 Alaïs_Longthought posted, "Matthew Fox does remind me of Big Jim... ; >"

Is that what we're calling it now?

#66. Posted by: ransomjackson at June 17, 2009 8:32 AM

@50. Posted by: klughs

Eloise' knowledge of the future - I had a theory on this that I posted following Eloise' and Penny's conversation at the hospital in Long Beach. I thought maybe Eloise and Charles we are seeing are being led by their consciousness from the future beyond the 2007/2008 timeframe, and they have already lived the events once before. This is why I believe that the Whatever Happened Happened postulation is incorrect. Both Eloise and Charles end up at the Hospital and neither of them know what is going to happen next. Desmond being shot was a significant event that neither of them remembered happening. Something changed, and i believe that the two were compelled to come to the hospital because they both realize that they are now in previously uncharted waters.

#67. Posted by: Steve at June 17, 2009 11:21 AM

→ 66. ransomjackson re 65 Alaïs_Longthought's post, "Matthew Fox does remind me of Big Jim... ; >": Is that what we're calling it now?

Tsk tsk, naughty naughty...you remember Big Jim, the action figure, right? He'd jerk up & down when you pressed a certain spot on him... Hmm...why do I feel like I'm digging a deeper hole here... ; > ; > ; >

#68. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 17, 2009 12:21 PM

This might have been mentioned before but according to dictionary.com (just thought it was intersesting)

Jacob - a male given name: from a Hebrew word meaning “supplanter.

Supplant - 1. to take the place of (another), as through force, scheming, strategy, or the like.

2. to replace (one thing) by something else

#69. Posted by: V at June 17, 2009 2:16 PM

Do we have a Bloopers or nit-pickers Blog/thread?

Like... the 3 different Swatches of Cloth that Illana gets from Horace's cabin?
1. takes from the wall.
2. the one she handes to Bram
3. the one that Bram has in his hand and looks at...

And that it is not even a tapestry... its like burlap with black ink on it.

Jacob doesnt 'weave' a tapestry.. he's just making a Single Color cloth and then someone draws pictures and words on it.

#70. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 17, 2009 3:30 PM

"God loves you as He loved Jacob" superimposed on yellow carpeted stairs

Other 'indoctrination' video

I'm wondering about the 'past tense' LOVED. And That Jacob still may not be the good-twin.(fallen from grace)

and I just watched (The Brig)

noticed that Ben is handing Locke the big knife to kill Cooper(dad) just as Locke2.0 handed Ben the big knife to 'kill' Jacob.

See you in another post yeah

#71. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 17, 2009 3:44 PM

@69 V

Also Jacob has been the most popular US baby name for the the last 10+ years

http://tinyurl.com/kv2qev

Replacing nearly 40 years of Michael

#72. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 17, 2009 3:56 PM

I once knew a rotweiler named Jacob (although he preferred Jake). And I used to silk-screen tshirts. That's all I got.

#73. Posted by: Clementine at June 17, 2009 4:34 PM

Just keep digging, Alaïs. Just keep digging...;>)

I had a crush on a girl whose last name was Jacobs (Monica). My nephew's nickname is Jake. I used to sing Frere Jacques in grade school. And I have a jack in my trunk.

"Stop the train and let my brother Jack off."

Woo hoo!

IIJY?

#74. Posted by: ransomjackson at June 18, 2009 10:53 AM

→ 74. ransomjackson:

I had been thinking of making the comment that while GI Joe & the other 12" action figures were too big for Barbie's younger friends & relatives, Big Jim (& let's not forget Big Jeff) were just the right size...but then the David Letterman-Sarah Palin flap came to mind & I thought better of it. ; >

#75. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 18, 2009 1:55 PM

we have a chat show over here tomorrow night with mathew fox as one of the guests.
i just hope he doesnt give anything away about season 6.
as some of you may know san is spoiler-phobic.

#76. Posted by: san at June 18, 2009 5:17 PM

How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb? All of them. One to hold the light bulb still, and the rest of them to screw the planet.

-------------

What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of Lake Saddam? ...Saturday.

-------------

An Imam, a Rabbi and a Priest walk into a bar.... (certainly not my bar).

#77. Posted by: Republican Guard Bartender at June 18, 2009 5:33 PM

I know a rotweiler named Jacob, AND I have a Jack in my trunk. And lawyer jokes make me Hurley.

RGB, got any good cocktail recipes that don't use petroleum? Because I'm all out of petroleum. I do have some bamboo sticks and a satellite phone in the cupboard, if that helps.

#78. Posted by: Clementine at June 18, 2009 6:47 PM

Ben Franklin's 13 Rules for the Ultimate Man:

1 Temperance: Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation.


2 Silence: Speak not but what may benefit others for yourself; avoid trifling conversation.

3 Order: Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time.


4 Resolution: Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve.


5 Frugality: Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; i.e., waste nothing.


6 Industry: Lose no time; be always employed in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions.


7 Sincerity: Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly, and, if you speak, speak accordingly.


8 Justice: Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty.


9 Moderation: Avoid extremes; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve.


10 Cleanliness: Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, clothes, or habitation.


11 Tranquility: Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable.


12 Chastity: Rarely use venery but for health or offspring, never to dullness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another's peace or reputation.


13 Humility: Imitate Jesus and Socrates.

#79. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 19, 2009 11:39 AM

in case anyone's bored, there's a little interview with josh halloway on doc jensen's site.

#80. Posted by: klughs at June 19, 2009 6:51 PM

Need some good laughs?

awkwardfamilyphotos.com

#81. Posted by: davidrh at June 20, 2009 1:48 PM

Three days with no posts . . . poor Mac must be getting lonely . .

Wait! He has two toddlers at home. "Lonely" is only a faraway dream.....

#82. Posted by: davidrh at June 23, 2009 6:44 AM

@davidrh: Describe this "lonely" you speak of ;)

#83. Posted by: mac at June 23, 2009 8:33 AM

:-)

“Lonely”, as in solitude - peaceful bliss - perfect happiness - blessedness - and most importantly, contented quietness . . . the empty nest . . .

This occurs when you send them off to college . . .

No - skip that - when they get married and move 500 miles away . . .

No - skip that one too - there’s still the telephone . .

and the internet . . .

and skype . .

And the need for a little financial assistance now and then . .

OK - I’m making matters worst, aren’t I?

Nevermind.

Forget I even mentioned that word.

DAVID


#84. Posted by: davidrh at June 23, 2009 9:24 AM

TWOP's Tubey Nominations, week 2, excerpts (Ask here if you didn't save the link),


Week 2 Tubey Award Nominations:

Lost (and a few other) related nominees

Best Sidekick

James Wilson (House)
Hurley (Lost)
Miles (Lost)
Stephen (Survivor: Tocantins)

Best Badass

Renee Walker (24)
Dexter Morgan (Dexter)
Olivia (Fringe)
Dr. Gregory House (House)
Ben (Lost)
Locke (Lost)
Juliet (Lost)
Sayid (Lost)

Best Villain

Ben (Lost)
Not-Locke/"Esau" (Lost)

Least Villainous Villain

Dexter Morgan (Dexter)
Ben (Lost)
Charles Widmore (Lost)
Radzinsky (Lost)

Best Cartoon


Best American Accent by a Non-American Actor

Yvonne Strahovski (Chuck)
Anna Torv (Fringe)
John Noble (Fringe)
Hugh Laurie (House)

Worst American Accent by a Non-American Actor

Anna Torv (Fringe)

Best Guest Star

Anne Dudek (House)
Betty White (My Name is Earl)
Fionnula Flanagan (Lost)
Jared Harris (Fringe)
Leonard Nimoy (Fringe)
Scott Bakula (Chuck)

Most Overhyped Big Name Guest Appearance

Leonard Nimoy (Fringe)
Michelle Rodriguez (Lost)
Tricia Helfer (Chuck)

Best On-Screen Death Scene

Bryce Larkin (Chuck)
Juliet (Lost)
Charlotte (Lost)
John Locke (Lost)
Nadia (Lost)

Most Ludicrous Plotline

Tony's alive but he's evil,
no wait he's good,
no wait he's evil,
no wait, etc. (24)

The far-too-literal Mars
landing for "astronauts"
Sam, Gene, Ray, Chris
& Annie (Life on Mars)

The momentous appearance
of the frozen sperm of
Cameron's poor dead husband
and its impact on Chase
& Cameron's wedding plans
(House)

Device that can control
everything anywhere (24)

Best Season Finale

Boston Legal
Chuck
Fringe
House
Life on Mars
Life
Lost

Worst Season Finale

24
House
Life on Mars
Lost

Most Improved Show

24
Big Love
Chuck
Friday Night Lights
Fringe
(HOW CAN IT BE MOST
IMPROVED IN ITS
FIRST YEAR?)
Lost

Worst Crime Against Fashion

All of the Dharma jumpsuits (Lost)
Ben's flashback hair in "Dead is Dead" (Lost
Hurley's Dharma jumpsuit (Lost
Mindy's wedding dress (Friday Night Lights

Least Improved Show

24
Dexter
House

Most Painful Series Cancellation

Boston Legal
Eli Stone
Life (ouch! I didn't know
they HAD been cancelled)
Life on Mars
My Name is Earl (Owie!, Owie!)
Pushing Daisies
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Cable Network Show Most Deserving of a Move to a Broadcast Network


Broadcast Network Show Most In Need of a Move to a Cable Network

Chuck
King of the Hill
Life
My Name is Earl
Pushing Daisies
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Best Dream / Hallucination / Vision Sequence

Alex kicks Ben's ass and orders
him to follow Locke (Lost)
[I'M NOT SURE THIS WAS ANY OF
THESE THINGS]
Charlie is hallucinating that
he's back in the prison (Life)
House hallucinates Amber, Kutner,
getting clean, and sleeping
with Cuddy (House)

Olivia goes into the memories
of John Scott and interacts
with him (Fringe)

Olivia makes out with a
stripper (Fringe)

Olivia pushes a woman in front
of a train (Fringe)

Best Fictional Location on a TV Show

Camden County (My Name is Earl)
Orange Orange/Castle (Chuck)
Papen County (Pushing Daisies)
Princeton-Plainsboro Hospital (House)
The alternate universe (Fringe)
The island (Lost)
The Pie Hole (Pushing Daisies)
The shadow of the statue (Lost)


Most Welcome New Character

Jacob (Lost)
Jane Seever (Life)
Janis Gold (24)
Jonas Hodges (24)
Renee Walker (24)
Stephen Bartowski (Chuck)
Walter Bishop (Fringe)

Best Smackdown (Non-reality Show)

Ben vs. Cesar (Lost)
Chuck vs. Fulcrum agents - season finale (Chuck)
Desmond vs. Ben (Lost)
Sawyer vs. Jack in "The Incident" (Lost)
Sayid vs. thugs at the safe house (Lost)
Smoke Monster/Alex vs. Ben (Lost)
Locke/"Esau" vs. Jacob (Lost)

Best Smackdown (Reality)

Randy has fake immunity idol,
talks trash, gets voted out,
Crystal screams out reasons
why (Survivor-Gabon)

#85. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 23, 2009 8:02 PM

Best Sidekick
Hurley (Lost)
How could there be any question?

Best American Accent by a Non-American Actor
Damian Lewis (Life)
I will vote for him, even though he’s not in the running. Because he’s a great actor and because he’s hawt.

Best Guest Star
Fionnula Flanagan (Lost)
Really? I don’t think so. Wouldn’t have even nominated her.

Most Overhyped Big Name Guest Appearance
Michelle Rodriguez (Lost)
Probably because I am “spoiler-phobic” like san, I didn’t know her guest appearance was hyped at all. I gotta get out more. Especially if Michelle Rodriguez qualifies as “big name.” I must be living under a rock.

Best On-Screen Death Scene
Everybody on Lost (Lost)
Ha! We got 4/5 nominations! I mean, er… hurrah for us? But I don’t want Juliet to be dead, fur reals.

Most Ludicrous Plotline
Tony's alive but he's evil, no wait he's good, no wait he's evil, etc. (24)
99.9% of the plotlines on 24 qualify as ludicrous. But I vote for Tony because he’s hawt.

Best Season Finale
Lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Worst Season Finale
Lost ??????????????????? What the buck?!

Most Improved Show
Fringe
Cecil said “HOW CAN IT BE MOST IMPROVED IN ITS FIRST YEAR?”
Who’s running this contest anyway? :) Maybe the voters were confused by the winter hiatus? Because it really did get better towards the end of the season.

Worst Crime Against Fashion
Mindy's wedding dress (Friday Night Lights)
Butt cleavage. Need I say more?
(BTW, Kyle Chandler is hawt.)
And I must protest the nomination of the Dharma jumpsuits.

Most Painful Series Cancellation
Life
Cecil said “ouch! I didn't know they HAD been cancelled” Yes :<
I was surprised it lasted 2 years. One of my absolute favorites when it first premiered. Quirky and funny, but of course, the network made it formulaic the second season. Damian Lewis is always interesting – if you haven’t seen him in Band of Brothers and The Forsythe Saga, check ‘em out!

Another Most Painful Series Cancellation
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles – terminated, doh!
Could be painfully dark and slow at times, but I did love it. Another network should pick it up, just for Summer Glau and Shirley Manson. (And BAG is hawt.)

Broadcast Network Show Most In Need of a Move to a Cable Network
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Best Dream / Hallucination / Vision Sequence
Olivia makes out with a stripper (Fringe)
Gee, I wonder if this will get any votes? (Even I thought it was hawt. Just a little.)

Best Fictional Location on a TV Show
The Island (Lost) -- Uh, duh.
The shadow of the statue (Lost) -- Again, who’s running this contest? And have they watched Lost? Best location might be inside the statue, but “the shadow of the statue” should more appropriately be considered best phrase/secret code/challenge.

Most Welcome New Character
Jacob (Lost)
Very happy with the Jacob reveal.
Walter Bishop (Fringe)
And I love me some Walter.

Best Smackdown (Non-reality Show)
Yep. We got 6/7 nominations.
But nothing can ever top Eko vs. Smokey.

Best Smackdown (Reality)
Jon & Kate Plus 8

#86. Posted by: Clementine at June 24, 2009 8:17 PM

RIP Michael

#87. Posted by: Clementine at June 25, 2009 10:42 PM

RIP Michael

RIP Farrah

i think the eye at the end of the season finale is kate's. :)

#88. Posted by: tiffani at June 26, 2009 9:27 AM

@88 tiffani

The eye at the end of the incident is Jacks eye from the beginning of the first episode. just a little closer up.

I doesn't mean it is going to be happening again in season 6.

#89. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 26, 2009 10:40 AM

Since this is a "random topic" area now, I'm going to offend a few, but I just want to vent a moment . . .

OK, I’m sorry, but somebody has to say it. I am already very tired of the headlines concerning how “the world is morning the loss of Michael Jackson.” Even the Pope made a statement about the great loss to humanity . . .

Folks, we have young men and women giving up their lives for our country and the freedom of others every day. There are young people in Iran who are probably going to be beheaded because they support free elections. There are thousands of children and girls kidnapped every day for the sex trade in Africa and the Far East. And yes, there ARE starving children in Africa . . . STILL! Michael jackson is not a humanitarian. He has squandered millions on his own lavish pleasures. He is not a spiritual man. He was a odd little man who fondled little boys. Quit anointing him to Sainthood.

I have friends who died in the jungles of Viet Nam 35 years ago and their memory and their sacrifice are STILL more important to me than a dance video. “Thriller” did not change my life. The loss of brave hero friends changed my life.

You want to mourn something? - Then mourn the homeless, mourn the abused children, mourn the abused women, mourn with the family of a fallen soldier, mourn for the veteran who served his or her country and now spends dreary days in dilapidated hospitals.

If you want to celebrate lives . . than celebrate the teacher who taught you to read, celebrate the coach who showed you how to kick a soccer ball, celebrate the clergy who stand with you in times of sorrow, celebrate the lives of those who hold you in their hearts daily . . . Celebrate your friends, your children, your parents, your siblings.

Ok, so I’m not always the “happy camper” . . .

Ask me later and I’ll tell you how I really feel.

#90. Posted by: davidrh at June 27, 2009 1:45 PM

@-90 davidrh.
although i felt your post was slightly rantish...(i think thats a word..hmm)
i have to agree with much of what you had to say,
we had a similar situation in the uk when princess diana died,
one poor guy was beaten so badly he required hospital treatment,
his crime-
washing his car in his driveway on the same day as dianas funeral,
case in point.

#91. Posted by: san at June 27, 2009 7:09 PM

#89 @coyotedean- are you sure that the eye is jacks? i thought jack had blue eyes and to me the eye at the end of the finale looks greenish/yellow???

maybe i need to take a fourth look, i'll get back to you on that. :)

namaste!!

#92. Posted by: tiffani at June 29, 2009 9:30 AM

New tubey categories for this week.

Vote now!

"Lost" and a few other selected nominees:

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Best Drama

Big Love
Boston Legal
Friday Night Lights
Fringe
Generation Kill
House
Life
Life on Mars
Lost
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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Best Single Episode - Drama

"Hello, Goodbye" (Friday Night Lights)
"Underdogs" (Friday Night Lights)
"Bomb in the Garden" (Generation Kill)
"Not for Nothing" (Life)
"One" (Life)
"This Place is Death" (Lost)
"Dead Is Dead" (Lost)
"LaFleur" (Lost)
"The Incident" (Lost)
"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" (Lost)
"The Variable" (Lost)
"Whatever Happened, Happened" (Lost)

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Best Comedy

Chuck
My Name Is Earl
Pushing Daisies

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Best Single Episode - Comedy

"Chuck vs. the Colonel" (Chuck)
"Chuck vs. the Ex" (Chuck)
"Darnell Outed, Part 1" (My Name Is Earl)
"Pinky" (My Name Is Earl)
"Bad Habits" (Pushing Daisies)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Worst Single Episode - Drama

"Forest of the Dead" (Doctor Who)
"Both Sides Now" (House)
"Last Resort" (House)
"Lucky 13" (House)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Most Appalling Reality TV Star

Benjamin "Coach" Wade (Survivor: Tocantins)
Corinne (Survivor: Gabon)

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Most Appealing Reality TV Star

JT (Survivor: Tocantins)
Sugar (Survivor: Gabon)
Taj (Survivor: Tocantins)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Worst Single Episode - Comedy

"Chuck vs. the Third Dimension" (Chuck)
"Inside Probe" (My Name Is Earl)


o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Most Egregiously Offensive Reality Show


o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best Reality TV Moment

Coach finally getting voted off (Survivor: Tocantins)

Coach's story about being kidnapped by an indigenous Amazon tribe (Survivor)

Marcus gets voted out after throwing the immunity idol away (Survivor Gabon)

Randy plays the fake Immunity Idol and gets voted off (Survivor: Gabon)

Sugar saves Bob (Survivor: Gabon)

Tyson gets voted out (Survivor:
Tocantins)

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Worst Reality TV Moment

Coach's Amazon story (Survivor: Tocantins)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Favorite Character

Ben Linus (Lost)
Charlie Crews (Life)
Chase (House)
Chuck Bartowski (Chuck)
Coach Eric Taylor (Friday Night Lights)
Daniel Faraday (Lost)
Desmond (Lost)
Dexter Morgan (Dexter)
Donna Noble (Doctor Who)
Emerson Cod (Pushing Daisies)
Jack Bauer (24)
John Casey (Chuck)
John Locke (Lost)
Juliet Burke (Lost)
Matt Saracen (Friday Night Lights)
Ned (Pushing Daisies)
Richard Alpert (Lost)
Richard Castle (Castle)
Sawyer (Lost)
Sun (Lost)
Tami Taylor (Friday Night Lights)
The Doctor (Doctor Who)
Tim Riggins (Friday Night Lights)
Walter Bishop (Fringe)
Wilson (House)

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Least Favorite Character

Thirteen (House)
Chuck (Pushing Daisies)
Foreman (House)
Jack (Lost)
Juliet (Lost)
Kate (Lost)
Rose Tyler (Doctor Who)
Sawyer (Lost)
Tony Almeida (24)

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Most Unwelcome New Character

Janis Gold (24)
President Allison Taylor (24)
Renee Walker (24)
Tidwell (Life)

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Most Redemptive Character in a Sucky Show

Jack Bauer (24)
Renee Walker (24)
Tony Almeida (24)
Dr. Chris Taub (House)
Kutner (House)
Annie Norris (Life on Mars)
Gene Hunt (Life on Mars)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Character Most in Need of Being Killed Off

Chloe O'Brien (24)
Kim Bauer (24)
General Beckman (Chuck)
Thirteen (House)
Ben Linus (Lost)
Jack (Lost)
Kate (Lost)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best "Hell Yeah!" Moment

Jeffster! perform "Mr. Roboto" at Ellie & Awesome's wedding (Chuck)

Desmond beats Ben after he tries to kill Penny (Lost)

Ben stops Locke from committing suicide -- and then kills him (Lost)

Chuck discovers he now knows kung-fu (Chuck)

Sawyer kicks Jack in the crotch (Lost)

Juliet detonates the bomb (Lost)

Phil gets impaled by rebar (Lost)

Richard Alpert answers the question "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" (Lost)

Charlie Crews kills Roman with one punch to the throat (Life)

Sayid shoots young Ben (Lost)

Sun finds Charlie's ring in Aaron's cradle (Lost)

Donna Noble saves the universe (Doctor Who)

Team Connor finally kill off Cromartie (Terminator: TSCC)

Casey parachutes to the rescue while Jeffster! plays at Ellie's wedding (Chuck)

Sawyer and Jack brutally fight (Lost)

Tyson's voted out (Survivor:
Tocantins)

Sun smacks Ben with an oar (Lost)

The revelation that the House/Cuddy hook-up was a drug-addled hallucination (House)

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Best "WTF" Moment

John Connor jumps to a future where nobody has heard of him, and he meets Derek, Kyle, Allison (Terminator: TSCC)

Chuck takes out five bad guys with his new fung fu skills (Chuck)

Daniel Faraday is killed by his mother Eloise (Lost)

DeadLocke tells Richard to tell PastLocke that he has to die (Lost)

Ben kills Jacob (Lost)

We learn that the Peter Bishop we know is really from a parallel dimension, and the one from this dimension is really dead (Fringe)

Locke's body is revealed to be still in the coffin (Lost)

Dr. Lawrence Kutner takes his own life for no apparent reason (House)

The revelation that neither the detox or the House/Cuddy sex was real (House)

We see that Olivia is meeting Bell in an alternate dimension where the WTC still stands (Fringe)

We meet "Esau" (Lost)

The hydrogen bomb explodes and everything fades to white (Lost)

We learn Juliet and Sawyer have been a couple for three years (Lost)

Sayid shoots young Ben (Lost)

A creepy voice in an abandoned cabin tells Sam to go look in the basement (Life on Mars)

The final scene revealing the cast are all astronauts headed to Mars (Life on Mars)

Atlantis ends up on Earth in the finale (Stargate Atlantis)

Donna gets a Time Lord brain boost (Doctor Who)

Derek Reese is shot and killed (Terminator: TSCC)

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Worst "WTF" Moment

House hallucinated his Cuddy hook-up and the entire season finale (House)

Juliet falls down the shaft and detonates the bomb (Lost)

Hera is mitochondrial Eve (Battlestar Galactica)

The fleet decides to abandon technology and split into small groups (Battlestar Galactica)

Tony kills Larry (24)

Kutner commits suicide (House)

Cuddy tells House to kiss her in his office (House)

The entire series was a virtual reality simulation playing during a mission to Mars in the future (Life on Mars)

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Best HoYay! Couple

Chuck/Casey (Chuck)
House/Wilson (House)
Gaeta/Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)

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Most Wrongly Underused Character

Anita Van Buren (Law & Order)
Astrid Farnsworth (Fringe)
Captain Awesome (Chuck)
Catalina (My Name is Earl)
Charlotte (Lost)
Desmond Hume (Lost)
Dr. Chris Taub (House)
Jin (Lost)
Kutner (House)
Robert Chase (House)
Sarah Jane Smith (Doctor Who)
Sun (Lost)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Worst Retcon

"Esau" (Lost)
Cally cheated on Tyrol with Hot Dog, who fathered her child (Battlestar Galactica)

Cameron didn't expect her husband to die (House)

Charlotte and Daniel's date of birth (Lost)

Gwen Munch is now a paranoid schizophrenic (Law & Order: SVU)

Jack wants to blow up the island to get Kate back (Lost)

Kate adopted Aaron because Sawyer
broke her heart (Lost)

The entire series was a virtual reality simulation playing during a mission to Mars in the future (Life on Mars)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Neverending Subplot That Most Needs to Be Resolved

Thirteen being fired and/or dying (House)

Chuck/Sarah relationship (Chuck)

House and Cuddy's "love story" (House)

Jack/Kate/Juliet/Sawyer love quadrangle (Lost)

The conspiracy against Charlie Crews (Life)

Where's Claire? (Lost)

What's Jacob's full story? (Lost)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best Line of Dialogue

"Viva Buy-Moria" - Morgan Grimes (Chuck)

"Guys, I know Kung Fu!" - Chuck (Chuck)

"Welcome back to the land of the living" - Locke (Lost)

"I'm a Pisces" - Ben (Lost)

"Now look at us: Trombley hasn't killed anybody, I'm half a world away from good Thai pussy, and Colbert is out here rolling around fuckbutt Iraq hunting for dragons in a MOPP suit that
smells like four days of piss and ball sweat." - Cpl. Josh Ray Person (Generation Kill)

"A 12 year-old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you think I'm doing?" - Sayid (Lost)

"Oh, hell no." - Narrator (Pushing Daisies)

"It warms your ass. What a marvelous invention!" - Walter Bishop (Fringe)

"Son, why are you letting Sam Kinison and an Indian lesbian wreck your wedding?" -- Dr. Woodcomb (Chuck)

"My mother taught me." - Ben (Lost)

"I crawl through two miles of ventilation shaft, following life signs on this thing, and who do I find? Mickey Mouse!" - Captain Jack Harkness (Doctor Who)

"It doesn't matter what we do. Whatever happened, happened." - Daniel Faraday (Lost)

"I need a bigger gun." - Charlie Crews (Life)

"So sorry, Colonel. But congratulations on that chicken franchise you always wanted." - Chuck
(Chuck)

"Oh, I'm a gonna get my Buffy on!" - Wendy (The Middleman)

"That douche is my dad.' - Miles (Lost)

"I just want you to know, there are worlds out there. Safe in the sky because of her. That there are people living in the light, and singing songs of Donna Noble. A thousand, million
light years away. They will never forget her, while she can never remember. But for one moment... one shining moment... she was the most important woman in the whole wide universe." - The Doctor (Doctor Who)

"Oh you know nothing of humans, and that will be your downfall." - Harriet Jones (Doctor Who)

“I needed that pain to get to where I am now." - Locke (Lost)

"You're a disgrace to your stereotype." - House (House)

"Where did I put that rat's ass I could give?" - Emerson (Pushing Daisies)

"What about you?" - Jacob (Lost)

"I'm sure Agent Dunham knows what a
penis looks like!" - Walter Bishop (Fringe)

"I didn’t account for traffic." - Ben
(Lost)

"Wait a second... we're not going to Guam, are we?" - Frank Lapidus (Lost)

"Oh, look: A dumb idea just found a friend." - Emerson (Pushing Daises)

"You must excuse my friend, she's from Barcelona." - The Doctor (Doctor Who)

"Oh, Chuck me!" -- Casey (Chuck)

"You can't kill me with that radiator; it is far too confined in this car for you to get the appropriate torque." - Chuck (Chuck)

"Starbuck, what do you hear" - Bill Adama (Battlestar Galactica)

"It's possible heaven has a hardware problem." - John Henry (Terminator: TSCC)

"Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting." - Cavil (Battlestar Galactica)

"What about me?" - Ben (Lost)

"Brendan's the dragon, I'm the dragon-slayer." - Coach (Survivor)

#93. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 29, 2009 6:01 PM

@61 Cecil Tubey award 6 page ballot

http://tinyurl.com/mvhehd

#94. Posted by: CoyoteDean at June 29, 2009 11:39 PM

After watching Sci-Fi Channel's midnight rerun of "Lost," I watched tonight's episode of the "X-Files" which followed.

And Holy Smoke Monster, Michael Emerson, our very own Benry, was on an "X-Files" episode called "Sunshine Days" (apparently one of the most hated episodes ever, just because it was nearly the last one of the series and it didn't answer any of the myth questions.)

Emerson played the guy named Oliver who could transform his surroundings into a likeness of "The Brady Bunch" house, complete with all of the characters from that show.

I was delighted to be able to see him for 2 hours in a row!

#95. Posted by: LostLove at June 30, 2009 3:37 AM

Daniel Faraday, who joined the orchestra on the Kahana was having difficulty keeping time with the rest of the band due to his brain frying experiments. Finally, the captain said, "Either you learn to keep time or I'll throw you overboard. It's up to you, sync or swim."

#96. Posted by: CoyoteDean at July 1, 2009 2:11 PM

So....

I finally got around to watching the entire series "Dead Like Me". I had previously seen the odd episode or two, but that was it!

I must say - I really enjoyed it! Awesome series - what it was canceled after two seasons is beyond me!

Enjoyed the odd cameos by Lost alumni - Michael as a Yoga Instructor, and Keamy as the angry hick who hates parking tickets!

Sadly, was rather disapointed with the recent special "Dead Like Me - Life After Death", especially with Henry Ian Cusick. Perhaps I was ticked due to the lack of Mandy Patinkin, (who really balanced the series), but there didn't seem to be all that much to Ian's character.

For the life of me, I don't understand how they could recast Daisy Adair. Since the original actress couldn't do it, they should have simply not used her character.

Looking forward to S9 of Smallville, where Callum Blue (aka Mason) will be playing Zod!

Seacrest Out!

#97. Posted by: shikotee at July 2, 2009 9:57 AM

Happy 4th of July (a day early) to all my fellow Losties!

May you eat more BBQ than you should and see some awesome fireworks!!

#98. Posted by: lost2theworld at July 3, 2009 6:55 PM

Happy 4th of July (a day early) to all my fellow Losties!

May you eat more BBQ than you should and see some awesome fireworks!!

#99. Posted by: lost2theworld at July 3, 2009 6:56 PM

In preparation for season six I've been watching past episodes at the ABC website - does anyone know why for season five only episode 12 and later episodes are available?

On the tearjerker episode thread: I'd vote for the scene in The Constant with Desmond and Penny as well as their reunion in No Place Like Home.

#100. Posted by: krblack at July 4, 2009 9:59 PM

In preparation for season six I've been watching past episodes at the ABC website - does anyone know why for season five only episode 12 and later episodes are available?

On the tearjerker episode thread: I'd vote for the scene in The Constant with Desmond and Penny as well as their reunion in No Place Like Home.

#101. Posted by: krblack at July 4, 2009 10:00 PM

sorry about the double post - I got an error message the first time I pressed post and so I didn't think it went through.

#102. Posted by: krblack at July 4, 2009 10:02 PM

Hadn't thought about the show at all for a few months. Got a bit high and wrote some stuff down.

Maninblack believes that all humans who are introduced to the wonders of the Island will eventually abuse it and taint it, destroying themselves and others in the process. It always ends the same.

That implies that Jacob has done this many times before. I think that is part of why MIB means to kill him. He doesn't want more people on the Island, because he knows why Jacob keeps bringing them.

Jacob means to destroy MIB. He and MIB are not brothers. Jacob was brought to the Island by MIB at some time, along with others. He became the first human to pass it's judgement. He became it's companion. But Jacob did not share MIB's cynical views of mankind, and was appalled by it's cruelty in judging them. They quarrelled about it many times and ended up hating eachother.

So Jacob wants to kill MIB and win the Island for mankind. Partly because of that, MIB wants to kill Jacob. A nice bonus for MIB is that, with Jacob out of the way, nothing prevents it from extending it's grasp, threatening humanity, etc. But somehow, neither of them can do it themselves. Something to do with magic, constants, divine intervention, having made a promise, whatever.

Then, somehow, Jacob obtained a huge advantage. He saw the future. Not just flashes, he got a detailed view of it. This allowed him to plan ahead, place pawns, create the right chain of events that leads up to MIB's destruction.

MIB is not aware of this. He is clever. He has found his loophole, using ancient magic and the image of John Locke to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. But he is too late. The end, the only possible end is already closing in on him. Jacob has set up everything to perfection. He has the right people (re)appearing on stage at the right time. Events that at first view seemed to aid MIB turn out to contribute in his downfall. (not without a few scares, close calls, major and minor revelations, explosions, fights, cgi monsters, anguish and dramatic deaths throughout the season, ofcourse!).

After that, all is well. Humans of all cultures and creeds will peacefully inhabit the magical Island, blabla, Garden of Eden, where humankind will evolve into... something... weirder.

#103. Posted by: Mischa at July 5, 2009 3:50 PM

A Dead Like Me movie? - thanks for the heads off, I mean heads up.

That was Saddam's favorite show... he modelled his leadership style after Millie the supervisor, and his parenting style after Georgia's mom.

#104. Posted by: Republican Guard Bartenfer at July 6, 2009 1:09 AM

Hi Ho Everyone,
Bored at work so thought I'd see what my favorite LOST blogger's were up to. Geezzzz. Over 600 posts for the last episode! Nice...
Hope everyone had a nice 4th of July. I went on an underwater bicycle race which was interesting. 60 feet under water in SCUBA watching people ride bicycles off the deck of a shipwreck... nice...
Anyhoo, wanted to touch base and let you guys know I'm still lurking.

Oh, I thought this was funny and wanted to share. A friend of mine used to play football against a Norfolk, VA, team. They could never keep from cracking up in the huddle when they heard them cheer:

"We don't drink,
We don't smoke,
Norfolk
Norfolk"

Have a nice summer...

#105. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 6, 2009 3:45 PM

This week's Tubey finals on TWOP with "Lost" related nominees (and a few others):

Best New Show

Castle
Fringe
Harper's Island (are they kidding?)
Lie to Me


Worst New Show

Best Villain

Ben (Lost)
Cromartie (Terminator: TSCC)
DeadLocke/"Esau" (Lost)


Least Villainous Villain

Boomer (Battlestar Galactica)
Catherine Weaver (Terminator: TSCC)
Dexter Morgan (Dexter)
Ted Roark (Chuck)


Best Performance By An Inanimate Object

The four-toed statue (Lost)
The Galactica (Battlestar Galactica)
Tron poster (Chuck)


Best Late Night Talk Show

Best Romantic Relationship

Bill Adama and Laura Roslin (Battlestar Galactica)
Chase and Cameron (House)
Desmond and Penny (Lost)
Ellie and Awesome (Chuck)
Eric and Tami Taylor (Friday Night Lights) (had to vote agains LOST on this one)
Ned and Chuck (Pushing Daisies)
Sawyer and Juliet (Lost)


Worst Romantic Relationship

Foreman and Thirteen, House
Jack and Kate (Lost)


Most Painful Series Cancellation

Boston Legal
Life
My Name is Earl
Pushing Daisies
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
The Unusuals (it was canceled? - oh, hum)


Most Undeserved Emmy Awarded in September 2008

Best Reality Host: Jeff Probst (Survivor)
Guest Actress, Drama: Cynthia Nixon (Law & Order: SVU)

#106. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 6, 2009 4:14 PM

@ 90 - davidrh

Though I love the man's music, I thought your sentiment was well stated, and I completely agree with you.

#107. Posted by: Vikki at July 7, 2009 8:32 AM

An extra hour of Lost?

As announced om the Lostpedia website:

By James Hibberd, THRfeed.com
We all know that on ABC's "Lost," time is extremely relative. So why not throw an extra hour into the mix? The sixth and final season will run 18 hours, an hour longer than originally announced. This isn't exactly earth-shattering news, granted, but for "Lost" fans heading into the final lap, every minute counts. Read more...

lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

#108. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 7, 2009 12:43 PM

@ 103/ Mischa

The concept of Jacob and Man in Black as gatekeepers to forehell, like St. Peter and Lucifer standing at the Pearly Gates picking out playground kids for a pick up basketball game in purgatory, is fine by me.

#109. Posted by: welh at July 7, 2009 6:08 PM

i watched the michael jackson memorial on live tv earlier tonight,
although it may have been intended to make his fans from around the world "share" this huge outpouring of grief,
am i a fan?
no
do i like his music?
yes, very much so
i just think this memorial tv extravaganza was the same circus in death that michael jackson faced in life,
i found the whole thing-crass & patronizing,
although all of his fans stayed loyal during some of jacksons darker hours,
most of his superstar friends kept their distance,
but they all made it for the memorial!!

#110. Posted by: san at July 7, 2009 8:15 PM

Lost Season 5 DVD will be released on December 8, 2009, just in time to fill fellow Lost obsessive's holiday wish lists.

Per amazon: "Bonus Features Include: 7 Lost on location, A Day with Josh Holloway, Los Angeles crew tribute with Michael Emerson, the 100th episode, Time Frame and Continuity, Bloopers, Deleted Scenes"

Given all the debate here over the last couple of years on continuity and errors, it's interesting the producers will potentially address just that on the upcoming DVD.

#111. Posted by: Mizzed at July 7, 2009 10:04 PM

Michael Jackson memorial?

When the hell did that happen?

#112. Posted by: MJMem at July 8, 2009 12:18 AM

@112 MJMem:

Did you not turn on a TV at any time yesterday?

LA was jammed with people attending or wanting to attend the main memorial service in the huge Staples Convention Center downtown, and many remote sites.

#113. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 8, 2009 11:52 AM

A battle that goes on inside of all people. The battle is between 2 'wolves' inside us all.

One is Evil: It's anger, jealousy, greed, arrogance, lies, ego and false pride.

The other is Good. It's joy, peace, hope, kindness, truth, empathy and compassion.

"Well, who wins?" , "The one you feed!""

#114. Posted by: CoyoteDean at July 10, 2009 5:28 AM

@→113.
Since when the hell do the good people of North America have a memorial for a pedophile. I can understand a memorial in South America or Asia.........

#115. Posted by: MJMem at July 11, 2009 12:19 AM

i just watched the season finale (again)
i dont remember locke pointing a direction with his finger as much in any other episode of lost,
but this was not the real john locke,
this was revenge man #2 pointy finger locke.

#116. Posted by: san at July 12, 2009 6:45 PM

It's finals voting week over at TWOP and the first set of finals with LOSt (and a few other faves) nominees are:

Favorite Actor

David Tennant (Doctor Who)
Hugh Laurie (House)
Michael Emerson (Lost)
Nathan Fillion (Castle)
Neil Patrick Harris (How I Met Your Mother)
Zachary Levi (Chuck)

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Least Favorite Actor

Matthew Fox (Lost)
Omar Epps (House)

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Most Improved Show

24 (ARE THEY KIDDING?)
Chuck
Friday Night Lights
Fringe (HOW CAN YOU BE IMPROVED IN YOUR FIRST YEAR?)
Lost
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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Least Improved Show

24
Heroes
House

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Best On-Screen Death Scene

Bryce Larkin (Chuck)
Derek Reese (Terminator: TSCC)
John Locke (Lost)
Juliet (Lost)
Tosh and Owen (Torchwood)

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Worst Crime Against Fashion

Ben's flashback hair in "Dead is Dead" (Lost)
Leslie Knope's masculine business suit and haircut for the awards banquet (Parks & Recreation)

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Best Single Episode - Drama

"Journey's End" (Doctor Who)
"One" (Life)
"The Incident" (Lost)
"LaFleur" (Lost)
"Allison from Palmdale" (Terminator: TSCC)
"Born to Run" (Terminator: TSCC)

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Worst Single Episode - Drama

"Daybreak, Part 2" (Battlestar Galactica)
"Lucky 13" (House)


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Best Fictional Location

The island (Lost)
Coeur d'Coeurs (Pushing Daisies)
The Pie Hole (Pushing Daisies)

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Most Welcome New Character

Catherine Weaver (Terminator: TSCC)
Jacob (Lost)
Renee Walker (24)
Savannah Weaver (Terminator: TSCC)
Stephen Bartowski (Chuck)
Walter Bishop (Fringe)

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#117. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 13, 2009 10:28 AM

Surfacing from the depths of library studies (two A-minuses & a B-plus, woohoo!)... How is everyone?

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In case you haven't seen the most recent TV Guide, Keck's page is all LOST:

Stars Predict the End of LOST
The LOST cast is growing anxious to receive the first script of their final season, which goes into production late August. Before they get definitive answers, I asked them to come up w/their own theories about how the mystery will get resolved.

Josh Holloway: "There's got to be a big blowout war among everybody, & they're all going to kill each other. There'll be a few stragglers who have to make a choice, like the way 'On the Beach' ended, where the threat blows itself up & people will have to decide whether to stay or go."

Elizabeth Mitchell: "Like the end of Stephen King's The Dark Tower, I think something will happen where we all go back to where we were. Juliet was never brought to the island. The plane never crashes. These people have never met. But because of the odd nature of time, we keep on getting drawn back into the same situation again. So basically, the ending is just another beginning."

Dominic Monaghan: "The remaining cast decies whether to walk the path of good or bad, & an epic battle reigns. Evangeline Lilly puts in the performance of the year & wins a Golden Globe." (Editorial note: When hell freezes over.)

Henry Ian Cusack: "The resurrection of the dead—with someone singing [Hawaiian farewell song] 'Aloha 'Oe'."

Daniel Dae Kim: "We all settle into Dharmaville, build our own homes & develop the island into a tourist destination & make millions of dollars."

Ask Keck
"What the hell's going on w/LOST? I don't think they know. I think from week to week they go, "Let's do this." And then someone else says, "No, this would be a good idea." I love that show, but I don't think they know what they're doing."—from Ellen DeGeneres

"I am flattered that Ellen is a fan of our show," says executive producer Carlton Cuse, who promises Ellen there is a master plan, w/some sweet payoffs, if she sticks through the final season. Dominic Monaghan recently had a secret breakfast meeting w/producer Damon Lindelof to discuss how he might manage returning to LOST as Charlie. "We would like there to be some visitations from people we loved over time," Cuse says. Michael Emerson, who plays Ben, confirms, "The final season will resemble the first. I know there are plans for big people we have parted company with to reappear." But one crucial component from the very first pilot episode will most likely be absent from the reunion: cocreator J.J. Abrams, who tells me he won't be returning to Hawaii to direct the series finale. "I would selfishly love it," he says, "but director Jack Bender has been living in Hawaii for years & doing amazing work. For me to come in & direct the finale would be cruel & unusual."

Will Ian Somerhalder Juggle Roles?
The exec producer of Ian Somerhalder's new CW series, The Vampire Diaries, is close friends w/LOST exec producer Damon Lindelof. So when he's not sucking blood in the South, Ian may reappear on the island as Boone. While apartment hunting in Atlanta, where Diaries shoots, w/his new onscreen vampire brother Paul Wesley, Ian tells me, "I've heard a little bit about what's happening this season on LOST, & there's definitely an avenue they're going down to bring back a lot of us." Any crossover [with] LOST would "only help the success of our show...as long as it's not screwing up production," Ian says. So what if Boone, Shannon, Charlie & the rest of LOST's "living dead" turn out to be vampires? "That would not be good," says the actor, who currently lives around the corner from Maggie Grace in Venice Beach. "There are already enough vampires flying around the airwaves. If we can keep it at True Blood, Twilight & Vampire Diaries, the world will be better off!"

#118. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 13, 2009 6:07 PM

giwsch

#119. Posted by: Lilvlbrc at July 14, 2009 8:13 AM

warehouse 13 -- wow
and I don't get cable or satellite, or whatever

#120. Posted by: m at July 15, 2009 3:55 AM

@117

Best On-Screen Death Scene

Bryce Larkin (Chuck)
Derek Reese (Terminator: TSCC)
John Locke (Lost)
Juliet (Lost)

Death scene? DEATH SCENE?!

Yeah, methinks poor Juliet's still dead...

#121. Posted by: Scooby-Dude at July 16, 2009 5:08 PM

Yeah, methinks poor Juliet's still dead...


Until that very first new episode next year, I'm keeping the faith alive and hoping she's not . . .

FOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

#122. Posted by: davidrh at July 17, 2009 11:46 AM

i have been rewatching from S1 and i noticed that Locke's eyes were dark green in the first several episodes. at some point they change to light blue. anyone else notice this? pls tell me it's not just my tv? i was thinking that since the "eyeball" thing is such a reoccuring theme throughout Lost maybe this is actually significant. or...maybe a production error. discuss....

#123. Posted by: Skipper at July 17, 2009 12:14 PM

Walter: I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this f**king strumpet...
The Dude: I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter.
Walter Sobchak: Well, there isn't a literal connection, Dude.
The Dude: Walter, face it, there isn't any connection.

#124. Posted by: Mr. Naysayer at July 18, 2009 5:32 PM

@123 skipper
Maybe Locke became 'new Locke' long before anyone hypothesized!
Or maybe he was guy in white before he was guy in black, or vice versa.
Or body in casket is xxx? and current Locke is the real Locke. Would the real John Locke please stand up!
Good catch.

#125. Posted by: mtncbn at July 18, 2009 8:29 PM

@123 skipper
According to lostwiki, the casting calls for young Locke called for green eyes. I think this may be important. Seems like someone on the island might have noticed, naw... they never talk about important stuff.
However, the screencap of when Jacob touched him after his 8 story fall, don't look green to me.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/3/38/S5-finale-Jacob-resurrects-Locke.jpg

#126. Posted by: mtncbn at July 18, 2009 8:45 PM

i just watched stanley kubricks brilliant & baffling sci-fi epic 2001 a space odyssey,
although i have seen this movie many times before i noticed this time how much the hal9000 computer sounds like losts very own ben linus,
imagine having his voice for company in the dark silence of space!!

#127. Posted by: san at July 19, 2009 10:08 AM

@126 mtncbn
§§§ However, the screencap of when Jacob touched him after his 8 story fall, don't look green to me.


yeah; Locke's eyes go from green to blue at some point in S1. it would be awesome if this wasn't a production error and i'm actually on to something. i was thinking the same thing that you wrote above about Locke being man No.2 long before we knew man No.2 existed. as i continue to rewatch S1 I can't deny that Locke knew way more than the other survivors from very early on. but he was also very lost and confused at certain points along the way. i guess it doesn't matter because the survivors are where they are now and what happened, happened.

#128. Posted by: Skipper at July 19, 2009 7:29 PM

→ 124. Posted by: Mr. Naysayer

we'll see. ;P

#129. Posted by: Skipper at July 19, 2009 7:35 PM

Was just looking at my wife's Korean american magazine she subscribes to. There's a picture of Daniel Dae Kim dressed for his role as the king in the King and I. Kind of cool to see some of the things these guys do in between seasons. At least he's not out getting another DUI!

#130. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at July 20, 2009 1:35 PM

@130:
Tangent on what Lost cast could do in offseason; afterseason.

My question: what movie, play, would be best suited for the cast/characters of Lost to recreate?

With all the disfunctional traits, I think the Lost cast could easily remake the movie M*A*S*H.

#131. Posted by: welh at July 20, 2009 4:26 PM

During the interminable wait for S6, I decided to write a haiku for every episode. Check it out: http://episodic-haiku.blogspot.com/

#132. Posted by: Elle Dee at July 20, 2009 6:20 PM

→ 131. welh: Remake of M*A*S*H*:

Oh boy...who would play Hotlips?

#133. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 20, 2009 9:25 PM

I was watching the Fugitive the other day (the Harrison Ford movie). Never realized that was Rose playing one of the US Marshals.

As for MASH, Hurley has to be Klinger, pretending to be crazy to get kicked out of the army. Can anyone else picture Jorge in a dress? On second thought maybe he should be Hot Lips!

#134. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at July 21, 2009 2:06 PM

Latest TWOP fiunals, with lost-related and a few others nominees:


Favorite Actress

Connie Britton (Friday Night Lights)
Elizabeth Mitchell (Lost)
Katee Sackhoff (Battlestar Galactica)
Kristin Chenoweth (Pushing Daisies)
Lisa Edelstein (House)
Mary McDonnell (Battlestar Galactica)
Summer Glau (Terminator: TSCC)
Yvonne Strahovski (Chuck)

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Least Favorite Actress

Evangeline Lilly (Lost)
Olivia Wilde (House)

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New Series With the Most Wasted Potential

Harper's Island
Lie To Me
Life on Mars
The Unusuals

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Guiltiest Pleasure Show

Harper's Island

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Best Almost-Romantic-But-Not-Quite Relationship

Castle and Beckett (Castle)
Chuck and Sarah (Chuck)
Faraday and Charlotte (Lost)
House and Cuddy (House)
John and Cameron (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)

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Best Non-Romantic Friendship

Chuck and Morgan (Chuck)
Donna and The Doctor (Doctor Who)
House and Wilson (House)
Miles and Hurley (Lost)

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Most Egregiously Offensive Reality Show

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Best Reality Show Host or Judge

Gordon Ramsey (Hell's Kitchen)
Jeff Probst (Survivor)

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Worst Reality Show Host or Judge


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Best Cartoon

Family Guy
King of the Hill
South Park

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#135. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 21, 2009 4:11 PM

@132 Elle Dee said:

>>During the interminable wait for S6, I decided to write a haiku for every episode.

Which reminds me, I've got to catcvh up my own haiku's to season 5...

Coming soon.

#136. Posted by: Cecil at July 21, 2009 4:13 PM

@128 Skipper wondered:

>>@126 mtncbn
>>§§§ However, the screencap of when Jacob touched him after his 8 story fall, don't look green to me.


>yeah; Locke's eyes go from green to blue at some point in S1. it would be awesome if this wasn't a production error and i'm actually on to something. i was thinking the same thing that you wrote above about Locke being man No.2 long before we knew man No.2 existed. as i continue to rewatch S1 I can't deny that Locke knew way more than the other survivors from very early on. but he was also very lost and confused at certain points along the way. i guess it doesn't matter because the survivors are where they are now and what happened, happened.

I'm not sure we can read too much into subtle color changes. I believe on one of the DVDs they discuss, and even illustrate, how the post-production "color correction" process can sometimes make unintended changes, such as a character's eye-color. All in the name of making the scenic island color more 'natural'.

#137. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 21, 2009 4:20 PM

→ 131. welh: Remake of M*A*S*H*
(re: follow on project for the cast)

I like that. How about "LOST in Space"... not to be confused with "Pigs in Space", although a muppet version of LOST might generate some appeal.

LOST in Space. starring - -
Emerson/Ben as Dr Smith. Holloway/Sawyer as ill-mannered pilot.
Fox/Jack as self-centered sciene dad.
Mitchell/Juliet as smarter-than-you-think science mom.
Lily/Kate as heartless robot (typecast).
Everyone else pulls a recurring sidekick or villain role.

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#141. Posted by: tramadol amp ultram tramadol at July 24, 2009 1:28 PM

Dave barry reports:

A UK poll finds "Lost" the 2nd most addictve show on TV.

Full list:

1. 24 - 19%
2. Lost - 17%
3. Friends - 10%
4. Heroes - 9%
5. The Wire - 7%
6. Dr Who - 6%
7. CSI - 5%
8. Prison Break - 4%
9. The Sopranos - 3%
10. Sex and the City - 2%


My reactions:

1. The folks are barmy - Lost is way more addictive.

2. Only one UK show made the top 10. What does this say about the BBC?

#142. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 24, 2009 4:14 PM

fascinating.... was just rewatching some of season three--in particular the episode where ben brings locke to the cabin to "meet jacob." Highly highly highly recommend rewatching this episode. knowing that ben has never met jacob changes everything and it's fascinating to see and understand ben's true motives when he killed locke. if bored, go see it again--trust me!

#143. Posted by: klughs at July 24, 2009 5:30 PM

With no disrespect to Mac, here's a link to EW and Doc Jensen's recent musings on LOST...just in time for Comic-Con.

http://tinyurl.com/ew-doc-jensen

#144. Posted by: lovelost at July 24, 2009 6:22 PM

ABC has announced "discovery" of 5 previosly unseen episodes of "Ancient Mysteries" a "little known 1980's series" featuring the Dharma Initiative, and will be screening them, one per week beginning las Thursday, at

http://tinyurl.com/mtxehj

#145. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 27, 2009 9:52 AM

Ahhhhhhh. Back out of the woodwork. So good to see so many familiar faces still around.

Happy to post this link with info about Lost (most of which we already knew), most importantly that D&C say all of the "important" questions will be answered in the final season and that they won't resort to any hoke story line that erases everything that happened in that past 4-5 seasons.

http://tinyurl.com/ko5pbg

#146. Posted by: LostedIt at July 27, 2009 11:03 AM

Ack of theackattack.com has posted links to multiple ComicCon videos and news items.

Also those "Ancient Mysteries" videos about the Dharma Initiative will be posted one a MONTH, not week, at the URL above, on the following schedule:

1 - 07/23/2009
2 - 08/04/2009
3 - 09/08/2009
4 - 10/15/2009
6 - 11/16/2009

Makes me wonder if they're leading up to some big 'reveal' just as the new season is about to come on.


#147. Posted by: Cecil at July 27, 2009 6:04 PM

Tubey finals on TWOP this week - Lost (and a few other) finalists:

Best Returning Show

Battlestar Galactica
Chuck
Friday Night Lights
House
Lost
Pushing Daisies
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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Worst Returning Show

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best Reality TV Moment

Randy plays the fake Immunity Idol and gets voted off (Survivor: Gabon)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Worst Reality TV Moment


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Best Guest Star

Anne Dudek (House)
Gary Cole (Chuck)
Leonard Nimoy (Fringe)
Scott Bakula (Chuck)

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Most Overhyped Big-Name Guest Appearance

Leonard Nimoy (Fringe)
Michelle Rodriguez (Lost)
Tricia Helfer (Chuck)

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Most Ludicrous Plotline

Tony's alive but he's evil, no wait he's good, no wait he's evil, no wait, etc. (24)

A new Tenth Doctor so Rose can have one all to herself, and they can live happily ever after in a parallel world (Doctor Who)

Everything in the "Villains" chapter (Heroes)

Sylar "becomes" Nathan Petrelli, supposedly permanently (Heroes)

The year-long Nathan Petrelli arc - finding God, getting shot, siding with his now-alive dad, creating gov't program, seeing the light, getting killed. (Heroes)

The momentous appearance of the frozen sperm of Cameron's poor dead husband and its impact on Chase & Cameron's wedding plans (House)

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Best Family Relationship

Castle and Alexis (Castle)
Chuck and Ellie (Chuck)
Dexter and Deb (Dexter)
The Taylors (Friday Night Lights)
Walter and Peter (Fringe)
Desmond, Penny and Charlie Hume (Lost)

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Neverending Subplot That Most Needs to Be Resolved

Chuck/Sarah relationship (Chuck)
Sylar is still not dead (Heroes)
House and Cuddy's "love story" (House)
Thirteen being fired and/or dying (House)
Jack/Kate/Juliet/Sawyer love quadrangle (Lost)
What's Jacob's full story? (Lost)
Where's Claire? (Lost)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Worst Retcon

Cally cheated on Tyrol with Hot Dog, who fathered her child (Battlestar Galactica)

Kara Thrace is something like an angel sent to follow a song to Earth (Battlestar Galactica)

Cameron didn't expect her husband to die (House)

The entire series was a virtual reality simulation playing during a mission to Mars in the future (Life on Mars)

Jack wants to blow up the island to get Kate back (Lost)

Kate adopted Aaron because Sawyer broke her heart (Lost)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

#148. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 28, 2009 9:31 AM

TWOP stands for Television Without Pity, a HUGE television review site.

Quality *almost* up to mac standards, Quantity much greater (try reading the whole LOST forum for even one show), Timeliness about a week behind mac, Atmosphere a little more rigid and rules-oriented than the relaxed ambience around here (break a rule in the forum and they WILL slap your hands).

Worth looking at, and so many posters they sometimes catch something we don't, but average quality not up to fodder network standards.

They created the TUBEY (their mascot) awards to let fans have a voice. wander over to televisionwithoutpity.com and have a look around.

----

I agree with you about Castle - and they're rerunning on Saturday nights fr anyone who missed the originals.

LOST connection - "Castle" (a mystery writer shadowing an NYPD detective to get ideas and at the same time assist in solving cases) is played by Nathan Fillon, late of Firefly/Serenity, who played Kate's policeman husband while she was on the run and doing taco night.

Kate drugged him and ran away when he was proposing taking a delayed honeymoon in Mexico, which would have outed Kate's fugitive status.

-----

If you haven't seen it, rush out and find "Dr. Horrible's All-Singing Blog" on the net or YouTube, in which Fillon does a great self-parody of his heroic roles as "Capt Hammer", the nemesis of Dr. Horrible. The made-for-the-net production is in six parts, you'll want to see all six in order.

Neal Patrick Harris is perfect as Dr. Horrible, in fact the whole cast is superb in this made-on-a-shoestring exercise that was made during the writer's strike.

#149. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 29, 2009 4:57 PM

Random Review:

"Defying Gravity", a new fall ABC series debuted its pilot last night. The series deals with a crew of eight astronauts that depart on a six year cruise to several planets of the solar system, the first being Venus.

The usual SF-on-TV scientific bloopers prevail. Gravity is present on the space ship Antares with no explanation (or maybe I missed it in the first few minutes), despite the ship having two rotating sections, that obviously highlight the need for artificial gravity - but gravity is present in the non-rotating sections.

Conservation of momentum is not preserved as the bold commander Maddux Donner stands flat-footed in an air lock with no restraints and reels in hand-over hand an astronaut (Honey) ejected from the ship during a space suit pressure check.

The crew is four men and four women, obviously designed for romantic sub-plots, one of which is already brewing between Maddux and Honey.

One bright spot is the aforesaid commander's casting, Ron Livingston, of "Band of Brothers" note.

Worth watching a few more shows to see if the sense of wonder from their voyage can overcome the scientific ineptitude and schmaltz of the script writers.

#150. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 3, 2009 10:32 AM

This week's Tubey Award voting on TWOP
Lost (and a few other) nominees:

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Most Appalling Reality TV Star

Benjamin "Coach" Wade (Survivor: Tocantins)
Kate Gosselin (Jon & Kate Plus 8)

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Most Appealing Reality TV Star

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best Cast

Chuck
Friday Night Lights
House
Lost
Pushing Daisies

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best American Accent By A Non American Actor

Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
Damien Lewis (Life)
Hugh Laurie (House)
Yvonne Strahovski (Chuck)

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Worst American Accent By A Non-American Actor

Anna Torv (Fringe)
Jonny Lee Miller (Eli Stone)
Lena Headey (Terminator: TSCC)

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Best Single Episode - Comedy

"Chuck vs. the Colonel" (Chuck)
"Bad Habits" (Pushing Daisies)

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Worst Single Episode - Comedy

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best Game Show

Jeopardy

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Best Dream/Hallucination/Fantasy Sequence

Charlie is hallucinating that he's back in the prison (Life)
Alex kicks Ben's ass and orders him to follow Locke (Lost)

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Worst Dream/Hallucination/Fantasy Sequence

House and Cuddy have sex (House)
Sarah attacks Chuck with a butcher knife (Chuck)
Sarah is kidnapped by the dead guard from the air conditioning company (Terminator: TSCC)
Starbuck plays piano with her imaginary father (Battlestar Galactica)

o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Interesting that House's hallucination in the finale was nominated for both "Best" and "Worst".

#151. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 3, 2009 11:45 AM

@CR/149: re "Defying Gravity"

The explanation for the non-floaty astronauts aboard the Antarus was special gravitational fibers in the spacesuits. Hence the airborn nookey when the commander and his wife got naked.

I really enjoyed the show, probably because it's easier to suspend disbelief when you know nothing about aerospace science :)

I thought the plot was good (if soapy at times, as Cecil mentioned), and I'm curious to see where they go with the ?alien? mystery.

The producers referred to the show as Greys Anatomy in space with some Lost-like mythology. And Ron Livingston... I'll be watching again.

#152. Posted by: Clementine at August 3, 2009 6:12 PM

And the first two episodes of "Defying Gravity" are now up on Hulu (as well as the ABC website), if anyone is interested.

#153. Posted by: Clementine at August 3, 2009 6:58 PM

Hey Mac - I didn't mean take my post off the "Fringe" lead. I meant, THIS thread!

As it is, YOUR reply on the "Fringe" thread doesn't make a lot of sense...

:-)

DRH

#154. Posted by: davidrh at August 3, 2009 10:24 PM

@davidrh: Ugh. Sorry about that. My attention isn't as honed as it should be these days.

#155. Posted by: mac at August 3, 2009 10:27 PM

so 'mysteries of the universe' segment 2 is up on abc website if anyone's bored...

#156. Posted by: klughs at August 4, 2009 8:37 PM

Re Mysteries #2

We see one familair face, and hear onne more familiar name.

#157. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 5, 2009 11:08 AM

so i clearly remember phil. but who was olivia??

#158. Posted by: klughs at August 5, 2009 5:53 PM

Olivia was little Ben's teacher in Dharma class - the one who was demonstrating a volcano model "like the one on our island", then grabbed a rifle to man the windows when the Dharmalarm indicated a Hostile attack.

She was also possibly Horace Goodspeed's wife at one time - she was the passenger in the car driven by him when they stopped on the highway outside Portland to assist Roger Linus who was holding his dying wife Emily and the just-born infant Ben.

I say possibly Horace's wife, because later, in the island Dharma compound, Horace's wife seems to have been Amy. (re: the drunken tree-dynamiting episode - "LaFleur").

see lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Olivia

#159. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 6, 2009 10:02 AM

thanks so much cecil! :)

#160. Posted by: klughs at August 6, 2009 4:31 PM

Very nice site!

#161. Posted by: John413 at August 8, 2009 5:51 PM

the annoying klaxon noise needed a name,
dharmalarm is perfect cecil.
smoke monster noise should have a name too,
any ideas?

#162. Posted by: san at August 8, 2009 7:37 PM

Smokezak?

#163. Posted by: davidrh at August 9, 2009 4:41 PM

clicketyCLACK! ?

#164. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 10, 2009 10:46 AM

This week's Tubey fonals over at TWOP, with Lost related nominees (and a few other faves):

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Favorite Character

Ben Linus (Lost)
Charlie Crews (Life)
Chuck Bartowski (Chuck)
The Doctor (Doctor Who)

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Least Favorite Character

Kate (Lost)
Thirteen (House)

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Most Overrated Show

24
House (Sacrilege)
Lost (Double Plus Sacrilege)


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Most Underrated Show

Chuck
Friday Night Lights
Life
Pushing Daisies
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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Character Most In Need of Getting Killed Off

Kate (Lost)
Kim Bauer (24)
Thirteen (House)

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Best Season Finale

Chuck
Friday Night Lights
Fringe
House
Lost
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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Worst Season Finale

House
Life on Mars

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Best "Hell Yeah!" Moment

Jeffster! perform "Mr. Roboto" at Ellie & Awesome's wedding (Chuck)
The revelation that the House/Cuddy hook-up was a drug-addled hallucination (House)
Charlie Crews kills Roman with one punch to the throat (Life)
Desmond beats Ben after he tries to kill Penny (Lost)
John meets Kyle, Derek and Allison after he travels to the future (Terminator: TSCC)

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Best HoYay! Couple

Chuck/Casey (Chuck)
House/Wilson (House)
Gaeta/Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)

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Most Anticipated New Show of the 2009-10 Season

Day One
Flash Forward
Stargate Universe
V

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Can we count the new series "Flash Foreward" as Lost related?

#165. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 10, 2009 10:48 AM

RattleSmoke?

#166. Posted by: LostedIt at August 10, 2009 11:02 AM

There was a new LOST Audio Podcast released on the ABC website on August 6 - an interview with two of the writers.

Also, just in case you haven't been checking, there was a LOST video podcast issued on July 28 with scenes from ComicCon.

#167. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 11, 2009 7:14 PM

So, do I remeber this right? Daniel claimed that following his calculations and detonating Jughead at that exact moment (release of the electromagnetic energy from its pocket at the future "Swan" station) would prevent flight Oceanic 815 from ever crashing on the island and that's why Jack was suddenly obsessed by this idea - "to put us all out of our misery"? I agree that for many passengers of Oceanic 815 the island experience lead to quite traumatic events or even death (~gulp!~), still there is one major consequence to flight 815 possibly never crashing on the island that really bothers me: Ji Yeon would never be born (because Jin would still be sterile, therefore...). Oh, and Rose would still be dying from cancer. And John Locke would still be sitting in a wheelchair (or did he really already die whe his father pushed him out of a window?). And Kate in handcuffs... ok, there's more than one thing bothering me. ;o) But yeah, mainly the idea of Ji Yeon never being born. But on the other hand all those dead people following the crash of the airplane... hm, moral dilemma...

#168. Posted by: ch_naike at August 13, 2009 9:33 AM

Dear Mac. I would like to ask you: did you maybe collect all your excellent recaps and reviews and the very insightful comments of your wise and clear-sighted blog readers and posters in something like a booklet (or a single file)? Thank you very much and best wishes, Naike

#169. Posted by: ch_naike at August 14, 2009 5:50 AM

@ch_naike: I've considered it, and I might do something like that for the very end of the series. I'll definitely give it serious thought! - mac

#170. Posted by: mac at August 14, 2009 8:20 AM

Ah but we completists insist on a review of the two pilot episodes....


By the way, you're lookin greyish, mac.

#171. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 14, 2009 11:31 AM

Over a TWOP they did a feature on "When Good Series Go Bad" or something like that - stinker episodes of good series.

Who can guess which "Lost" ep they picked?

#172. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 14, 2009 11:35 AM

@Cecil/172

It better have been the Kate "trial" episode, loaded with so many basic factual errors and unrealistic premise that it still makes my head explode when thinking about it . . .

#173. Posted by: welh at August 14, 2009 2:32 PM

@172-cecil
my guess would be paolo-niki episode

#174. Posted by: san at August 14, 2009 3:37 PM

@172/Cecil Rose:

Among the unanswered questions about this epi from Lostpedia:

Why did it cause so much controversy?

To this Alaïs responded "Why do we care? The episode was pointless." Perhaps, but keep thinking there was something worth remembering about "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Unfortunately, I've forgotten. ;)

BTW Cecil ... what ever happened to your map? I found it buried under Lost Blog Etc, but it won't load. Rats! I was going to update my pin location, as I'm no longer in the DC area ... now up in the Rochester area with Alaïs full-time ... thanks Mac! :)

#175. Posted by: ealgumby at August 14, 2009 6:53 PM

Ealaïs have the right one = "Stranger in a Strange land". Of course if Jack turns out to be an alien, we'll look back at that one and figure
"Wow, what writers!"

As to the map I was moved to take a look at it just this morning - still there, but I think Frappr are victims of their success - it sometimes take s a long time to load.

Not many recent additions but I do note new pins from Australia and the Netherlands since I last visited. Still no one from Africa.

#176. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 14, 2009 8:06 PM

so at the risk of exposing my ignorance... cecil, how on earth did you find the lost podcast on abc's new website? i've been searching and i can't find it anywhere!

#177. Posted by: klughs at August 15, 2009 3:38 PM

@172 Cecil

Could you post a link, please? I looked on TWOP and can't find the entry you're referring too. And, can I just add...MAN, I NEED A LOST FIX! I feel like letting out a davidrh-esque AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

#178. Posted by: lost2theworld at August 15, 2009 8:44 PM

177. Posted by: klughs
it's much easier to find on darkUFO - and no commercials!

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/

it's right at the end of the first page, soon to be next page (older articles)

#179. Posted by: mtncbn at August 15, 2009 9:00 PM

When answers finally come, I must be so happy, or else kill myself dissapoint.

Question
Jacob and man in black are same man, but in two?

Is war between living and dead? To have Aaron, but is he Jacob also?

Why do Jacob save Locke when push from window? When do man in black become Locke?

#180. Posted by: Natalost at August 16, 2009 11:07 AM

Klughs: I found it on iTunes, I am a subscriber so anytime there is a new one it automatically downloads.

All, if you have not seen the stuff from ComiCon yet, I suggest you find it fast! There was a lot of really funny stuff and a few easter eggs...two faux commercials, and a website http://tinyurl.com/ktvd42 which will either shed light on season 6 or send you down the wrong trail depending on how the writers want to play with us. EW this week also revealed the name of the first episode for next season.

My favorite parts of ComiCon were the fan made videos. Especially the last one!

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#182. Posted by: Howard at August 16, 2009 8:27 PM

@170/mac: Thanks, Mac! Oh, and yes, I second the motion of a recap/review of the pilot. That would be lovely! :o) All the best, Naike

#183. Posted by: ch_naike at August 17, 2009 1:53 AM

(Sorry for my English, my mother tongue is Swiss German). So, I was watching a BBC documentary about Polar Bears the other day. Those Polar Bears are particularly affected by the Global Warming. Because of the increase of just one Grad Celsius overall, the sea of the Artic area will start to melt sooner in spring than it used to be but will also freeze later in the autumn. For the Polar Bears this means an increasing period of starving. They are highly specialised hunters, designed to hunt mostly seals during winter period on the pack ice. But if there's no ice, that means +/- no food for the Polar Bears. Now, for the first time, a team of Russian and British researchers were able to film an incredible new behavior: they saw Polar Bears fishing for fish in a river. I'm aware this sounds like nothing, also because we are so used to pictures of Grizzly, Brown and other Bears in the Northern territories of America, Europe and Asia standing in the middle of a creek and fishing, but in the terms of Natural Sciences this is acutally huge! This is witnessing the adaption of a highly specialised living creature to dramatically changing environmental factors at first hand! Darwin would be so thrilled! :o) So, I guess The Powers behind the Dharma Initiative knew damned well why they choose those Polar Bear for their experiments first in Tunisia and later on a Tropical Island (or wherever... or whatever... or whenever the Island is ;o). Best wishes, Naike

#184. Posted by: ch_naike at August 17, 2009 2:28 AM

@177 klughs
@178 lost2theworld

Alas and alack, it appears the "new" "imp[roved" ABC website is, like most such inovations, a step backwards.

The tgood news is that there appear to tbe a complete set of video podcasts on YouTube, and much easier to access than through ABC's crummy 'player'.

The bad news is that the lack of access to them on the official site, as well as the delightful new "Lost Untangled" feature from this year, make me fear that no new ones will be produced.

All good things pass away, mutatitis mutandis.

#185. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 17, 2009 8:59 AM

Thanks for post

#186. Posted by: znak at August 17, 2009 9:18 AM

→ 176. Cecil Rose: "Ealaïs":

Hey, that's pretty funny & creative, Cecil—thanks for the new moniker! : )

#187. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at August 17, 2009 12:36 PM

Mac, I have no idea if this is going to be of any help at all (I just couldn't wait "for the very end of the series", I'm sooo impatient, I know), but I just put all your reviews and the comments in a single file. Well, ok, four files, really, because it was getting ginormous. As I'm no geek by any means (I admire geeks firmly and deeply!) all I could do was to copy and paste the whole thing into – wait for it... ~ugh~... please do not launch any flaming arrows attacks! – MS Word. And that's all I did, so no formatting and no editing (no editing regarding the comments, obviously, because your excellent reviews really do not need any editing at all). So there are still those "order valium online" posts or "ALL CAPS FOR YOUR ENTIRE POST" comments included. ;o) Oh, and of course Word would switch from font A to font B and viceversa just as easily as Kate would jump (sorry, no pun intended... well, maybe just a little teensy bit, because "Lost" is TV-14/TV-PG after all) from Jack to Sawyer and back and forth and... . Yeah, you got it, not a fan of that long-lasting love triangle or rectangle (or "love rhombus", to quote you ;o) at all. So, if you would like I would gladly send you the file(s). (By the way, I was so into it that I even included the following sections: "Lost Blog Etc", "Lost Questions", "Lost Theories", "Random Topics", "Lost Blog Acronym Guide" and "Lost Experience Explained"). So now what, off to the Forum? ;o)

#188. Posted by: ch_naike at August 18, 2009 9:28 AM

@ch_naike: Wow! I can only imagine font/formatting insanity contained in those files. I give you credit for having the gall to open them ;) I've confronted my fair share of Word nastiness ... not a fun time.

I actually have a kludgy way to create a listing of all the reviews, but it doesn't show the associated comments. If I do end up going the full-compendium route, I'll have to make sure the comments appear because I believe a review is never fully formed until everyone weighs in.

#189. Posted by: mac at August 18, 2009 9:33 AM

This week's Tubey voting categories on TWOP with Lost (and a few other) related niminees.

o==========

Best Competitive Reality Show

Survivor

o==========

Best Candid Reality Show

Mythbusters

o==========

Worst Reality Show

o==========

Best Sidekick

Donna Noble (Doctor Who)
James Wilson (House)
Olive Snook (Pushing Daisies)

o==========

Best Badass

Ben (Lost)
Dexter Morgan (Dexter)
John Casey (Chuck)
Juliet (Lost)
Sayid (Lost)
Starbuck (Battlestar Galactica)

3 lOST NOMINEES!!!!

o==========

Best "WTF" Moment

Chuck takes out five bad guys with his new fung fu skills (Chuck)

We learn that the Peter Bishop we know is really from a parallel dimension, and the one from this dimension is really dead (Fringe)

Dr. Lawrence Kutner takes his own life for no apparent reason (House)

The revelation that neither the detox or the House/Cuddy sex was real (House)

Locke's body is revealed to be still in the coffin (Lost)

John Connor jumps to a future where nobody has heard of him, and he meets Derek, Kyle, Allison (Terminator: TSCC)

o==========

Worst "WTF" Moment

Starbuck vanishes into thin air in the finale (Battlestar Galactica)

House hallucinated his Cuddy hook-up and the entire season finale (House)

Kutner commits suicide (House)

The entire series was a virtual reality simulation playing during a mission to Mars in the future (Life on Mars)

o==========

Show With the Best Internet Series Extension

Battlestar Galactica
Chuck
Lost

o==========

Most Wrongly Underused Character

Astrid Farnsworth (Fringe)
Cameron (Terminator: TSCC)
Captain Awesome (Chuck)
Desmond Hume (Lost)
Robert Chase (House)

o==========

Most Egregious Product Placement

Fox News (24)
Subway (Chuck)
Vicodin (House)
Star Trek ad in the title screen (Lost)

(anybody recall this???)

o==========

#190. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 18, 2009 3:11 PM

@MAC

How come your posts aren't yellow any more?

#191. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 18, 2009 3:12 PM

Cecil, right before the new Star Trek came out, that week's Lost featured the normal title card (black with the floating LOST in white) and then morphed into an ad for the new movie (in total JJ Abrams synergy).

#192. Posted by: FenwayBen at August 18, 2009 6:33 PM

Bunnylover, et all

Check out the new "Benry Knows Best" over at the Ack Attack. Features an adorable Bunry working out in the side of the panel.

#193. Posted by: Cecil at August 19, 2009 10:11 AM

FenwayBen

Maybe I tuned in late that week, or just wasn't looking up at the right time a la "Jughead".

#194. Posted by: Cecil at August 19, 2009 10:13 AM

@177 klughs
@178 lost2theworld

It appears now that if you go to the new ABC Lost website:

beta.abc.go.com/shows/lost

and click on "Video" on the black toolbar to the right of the "LOST" logo (not the red "Video" tab at the top of the page)...

You can find most ot the recent "Lost Podcasts" and "Lost Untangled" jumbled together in a section labeled "All LOST Shorts" in the subsection labeled "Featured".

I wish they'd separate each type as they do the others down below, and that they'd offer ALL of each.

#195. Posted by: Cecil at August 19, 2009 10:31 AM

@178 lost2theworld primally screamed:
>@172 Cecil

>Could you post a link, please? I looked on TWOP and can't find the entry you're referring too. And, can I just add...MAN, I NEED A LOST FIX! I feel like letting out a davidrh-esque AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Thede photo essays on TWOP are called 'Galleries' and unless you catch them when they're still currnet and at the top of the listing, or know their exact name, can be the devil to find.

Nevertheless in the true Fodder spirit, I've scrolled down through practically the whole mess to find:

"Worst of the Best: The Worst Episodes of Great Shows"

at

www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/24/the_worst_episodes_of_great_sh.php

www.televisionwithoutpity.com/photos.php?page=27&&letter=&&recent=

Incidentally, go to the "Galleries" page, then select "All Galleries" then the letter "L" for at least five exclusively "Lost" panels:

Best Episodes Ever (but dated)
Best 10 Backstories
10 Most Worthless Characters
Woerst Episodes Ever
Characters We Want Dead

There's a small Lost fix.

Then:

Reread all mac's reviews
All the comments
Watch all the DVDs (or Online at ABC)

You should be ready for Season 6 by then.

#196. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 19, 2009 12:24 PM

Excellent suggestions Cecil! I started rewatching season 1 this week.

Backgammon is the oldest game in the world. Archaeologists found sets n ancient Mesopotamia, 5000 years old. Two sides, one light, one dark...

#197. Posted by: FenwayBen at August 19, 2009 7:51 PM

@189/Mac. Whaaaaa, Mac, after copying and pasting your whole Blog into MS Word, this - > - just felt like Sayid sticking sharpened reeds under fingernails. ;o)

Starting to watch Lost from Epi 1 and reading your Blog and all the Comments all over again is just such a nice way to spend the Lost Hiatus till January. :o)
I didn't even remeber that during season 1 there were just like three comments following your reviews, sometimes two being doubleposts, sometimes there were even zero posts. And the written comments were still more à la > or > ;o)
Not only did the focus of the show change prominently (at least that's how I feel), but also did this Blog. And I think in a nice, stimulating, very informative way. I think it's a reflection of how the show (and the fans) evolved. I love it! Even if the transition hasn't always been easy for me: I could never have told in advance in which direction the show was headed. But I stayed (on the Lost raft ;o) and there's really ZERO regret. Wow, five years now... how many memories (and not only Lost Flashbacks ;o). And now looking forward to the last chapter, the ultimate season. Who knows where TPTB will lead us, the fans? ("Darlton" are our "leader of the island"! ;o) Have a nice day, y'all! (Yes, I love Sawyer! :o) Naike

#198. Posted by: ch_naike at August 20, 2009 2:12 AM

@198. Posted by: ch_naike at August 20, 2009 2:12 AM
Oh, yeah, right, double <> weren't such a good idea... ;o) Ok then, here we go again. Sorry for that!!!

@189/Mac. Whaaaaa, Mac, after copying and pasting your whole Blog into MS Word, this - "I actually have a kludgy way to create a listing of all the reviews, ..." - just felt like Sayid sticking sharpened reeds under fingernails. ;o)

Starting to watch Lost from Epi 1 and reading your Blog and all the Comments all over again is just such a nice way to spend the Lost Hiatus till January. :o)
I didn't even remeber that during season 1 there were just like three comments following your reviews, sometimes two being doubleposts, sometimes there were even zero posts. And the written comments were still more à la "jack and kate jack and kate jack and kate that what ithink should happen they should get togther oooooooooooooooooo.........helllllllllllll ............yahhhhhhhh" or "You sir have entirely too much time on your hands." ;o)
Not only did the focus of the show change prominently (at least that's how I feel), but also did this Blog. And I think in a nice, stimulating, very informative way. I think it's a reflection of how the show (and the fans) evolved. I love it! Even if the transition hasn't always been easy for me: I could never have told in advance in which direction the show was headed. But I stayed (on the Lost raft ;o) and there's really ZERO regret. Wow, five years now... how many memories (and not only Lost Flashbacks ;o). And now looking forward to the last chapter, the ultimate season. Who knows where TPTB will lead us, the fans? ("Darlton" are our "leader of the island"! ;o) Have a nice day, y'all! (Yes, I love Sawyer! :o) Naike

#199. Posted by: ch_naike at August 20, 2009 2:24 AM

Thank you so much, Cecil, for pointing us to the newest "Benry Knows Best" and all the TWOP links. I just spent my best coffee break EVER. Now back to work with a big smile on my face. :o) Naike

#200. Posted by: ch_naike at August 20, 2009 3:15 AM

@198 ch_naike REMINISCED:

>I didn't even remeber that during season 1 there were just like three comments following your reviews, sometimes two being doubleposts, sometimes there were even zero posts.
...
>Not only did the focus of the show change prominently (at least that's how I feel), but also did this Blog. And I think in a nice, stimulating, very informative way. I think it's a reflection of how the show (and the fans) evolved. I love it!

I didn't even find this blog until the end of season 2. I think my first comment, tremblingly posted, was to the S-2 finale. And now here I am writing two blogs (soon to be three) for FilmFodder.

Actually, I wasn't even sure about Lost for the whole first season. The lack of realism of the crash (old aero engineer, here) had made me feel this was going to be a fantasy series.

I think it was curiosity about what we came to call Smokey that kept me sticking around. Still does, in fact.

I've come to see that the seeming lack of realism in the crash is a clue pointing to a whole story line (moving islands, time travel, dead people appearing, etc) that can't be explained without serious plausible but consistent hypotheses about reality. And I've developed enough faith in the writer-producers to think they can oull it off.

I have an idea about what these might be, and later on I'd like to write a scenario and publish it here for the amusement and critiques of the other fans - and hopefully some others will, too.

Really looking forward to S-6.

#201. Posted by: Cecil Rose at August 20, 2009 12:16 PM

More observations from season one:

When Jack and Kate find "Adam and Eve", Jack finds a small bag on one of the bodies. In it? One white stone, one black stone.

Also:

-Don't tell Locke what he can't do.
-Living is easy with eyes closed
-Christian's body was not in his coffin; yet Locke's body was.
-the group swears to tell a lie for the greater good...this first time was about Rousseau's recurring transmission
-Charlie doesn't swim.
-Boone does, but not that well for a lifeguard. He also is pretty bad at CPR for a lifeguard.

#202. Posted by: FenwayBen at August 20, 2009 11:45 PM

Wow, Cecil, three Blogs, which Blogs do you write?

Very interesting Season 1 observations, FenwayBen. Please keep them coming, as I am starting to watch Lost from the Pilot all over again right now. It's so different to watch certain scenes, storylines and/or characters now.

Cecil, that's funny how Smokey was able to catch your attention enough to keep you watching Lost. For me, it was the masterly creative writing in creating those strong characters with their backstories that kept me going. I thought the whole show would be about those people "stranded" on a deserted island (Yeah, I know, I'm an old boring romantic ;o). I really thought the biggest misteries of the series would be Smokey, those Polar Bears on a tropical island, Rousseau, the numbers and maybe other inhabitants of the island that we were probably never going to see (Ok, looking back now, that really sounds immensely boring ;o). I thought the series would end when they would finally get off the island. Never, never, NEVER would I have thought it would be about bigger misteries such as... well, we all know (or do we? ;o). Don't get me wrong: I watch pretty much every genre, as long as the writing is solid. It's just that I had completely misinterpreted the intentions of the writers of the show. So I have had a fairly hard time adjusting to the new pace of the show for a couple of episodes. But as I've said, those characters kept me going. I think that's the goal of good creative writing, right? And now here I am, five seasons later, enjoying every bit of the (crazy) ride. :o)

Oh yes, please, Cecil, I would love to read your scenario, as I have to admit in all sincerety: I have absolutely NO idea anymore what the writers could have in mind for the final season.

Naike

#203. Posted by: ch_naike at August 21, 2009 9:19 AM

Mac, before posting a comment I always try to use the "Preview" button first (as there is no possibility to edit the own comments). But every time I get the following error message: "Publish error in template 'Comment Preview Template': Error in tag: Error in tag: The MTCommentFields tag is no longer available; please include the Comment Form template module instead." What am I doing wrong? Thank you very much, Naike P. S.: I am using Firefox as Internet Browser, if that's of any relevance.

#204. Posted by: ch_naike at August 21, 2009 9:26 AM

Since we're engaging in a little "Lost" nostalgia ... the season 3 flash-forward finale transformed my perspective of this series from fun diversion (a la "X-Files") to one of the greatest narratives I've encountered. It is the first and only time "game changer" was a truly appropriate description. And while I'm looking forward to the conclusion -- and the path the writers will take -- "Lost" has already rocketed to the top of my all-time favorites list, and I imagine it will stay there for years time to come.

#205. Posted by: mac at August 21, 2009 9:42 AM

Feeling the itch to write after watching mac make it look so easy, I cast around for an interesting series to write about - mac already had the best one [and it was a privilege and an honor to get to review "Jughead" during mac's absence this season.]

When Rome came back for a second season, I reviewed that, and as it drew to a close, I discovered that the previous House reviewer had dropped out, so picked that up half way through season 3. Little did I realize that it would be hell conveying the feel of a dramatic series that relies heavily on dialogue for it's wit and sparkle.

Last year, again in response to a drop-out, I did the spring Season of Survivor, and i'll be returing in the Fall to Samoa.

And now I've been accepted, once again joining in the middle of things, as the second season reviewer for Fringe.

Like Lost, I had some reservations on Fringe at first, but warmed up to it as the series found its legs, and the season finale won me over - now where do they go from here?

#206. Posted by: Cecil at August 21, 2009 1:11 PM

@Cecil: Totally agree regarding the "Fringe" finale. The second half of the first season was great, and I they *really* cracked open the series with the S1 conclusion. It'll be interesting to see how they play it out, but like "Lost" there's plenty of room to explore the mythological aspects.

#207. Posted by: mac at August 21, 2009 1:13 PM

I must say, I started watching Lost from S1E1 because of a childhood affinity toward shipwreck tropical island stories like Robinson Crusoe, Lord of the Flies, Joseph Conrad; heck, I will even linger when Father Goose is on TCM.

Even suspending disbelief that the passengers would survive a plane breaking up at altitude, or a survivor being sucked into a running turbine engine dislodged from its fuel source, I soldiered on because frankly, network television is mostly compost fodder.

I was fine with the writers throwing mysteries in back stories and island conflicts. I was fine with the tangent towards science fiction. I just fear that there has been so many side bar story arcs, fantasy elements and questions that the writers have literally painted themselves into a corner with no way out.

#208. Posted by: welh at August 21, 2009 5:57 PM

I tried watching Fringe, but honestly I couldn't get past the Pacey factor. Having said that, I am watching season 1 of Dollhouse (which I missed during its original broadcast) and I am absolutely loving it!

So Mac, if you ever need a Dollhouse reviewer, a Top Chef reviewer (Las Vegas is off with a bang) or a V reviewer (I still love the original miniseries, and looking forward to seeing Elizabeth Mitchell off Island) you have my address!

#209. Posted by: FenwayBen at August 21, 2009 9:24 PM

@208/welh: "I must say, I started watching Lost from S1E1 because of a childhood affinity toward shipwreck tropical island stories like Robinson Crusoe, Lord of the Flies, Joseph Conrad; heck, I will even linger when Father Goose is on TCM."

Much the same for me, but add in Typee/Omoo/Mardi for good measure. What REALLY got me though, was my conviction that Lost was derivative of the "Shore Leave" Star Trek TOS epi (itself derivative of "Forbidden Planet") ... still not convinced I was wrong.

Re the writers painting themselves into a corner ... I am firmly in the camp that "the" story line has NOT been decidedly in place since the beginning (contrary to much popular belief, often voiced here). I am also convinced the conceptual style of the show was changed in S2 to allow for more easily piecing new plots to intentionally-placed references, allowing the writers multiple paths to pursue with future epis without having to commit ahead of time (i.e., what I have in the past referred to as the "stub" theory). IMO, this is the only thing which has saved them from corner-painting doom (although just barely ... eek, eke!).

I cannot help but notice the parallel to modern physics (also an integral part of the show's mythology) ... just about anything is "possible" in physics, given enough dimensions, and just about anything HAS been possible on "Lost," given enough stubs (i.e., undue focus/attention paid to apparently irrelevant people/items/issues such that the writers can work future plot developments around them at will, inveigling fans into exclaiming how awesome it is that "they had it planned all along!" ... cue eye roll).

#210. Posted by: ealgumby at August 21, 2009 9:48 PM

Okay, this IS random topics, so ...

Does anyone else think the Progressive Insurance ad chick has a huge head, or is that only me?

Just saw yet another ad with her on TV during a preseason NFL game, and was once again stunned by the physical immensity of her head! I find her somewhat creepy in a way I cannot exactly quantify, but I'm sure it must somehow be related to the scale of her cranium.

But then I see things like this:

tinyurl.com/6oe42v

Okay, not saying she's ugly, because far from it, but ... Easter Island statues are not "babelicious" ... JHMO.

Just sayin' ... if her head were any bigger, she'd be Ochocinco!

#211. Posted by: ealgumby at August 21, 2009 10:25 PM

Mac, I totally agree, the flash-fowarding season finale was epic, and masterfully done. I have to say I was a skeptic, though, about how interesting the show could continue to be once our "heroes" had gotten off the Island. Boy was I wrong! Lost has remained just as riveting, just as mind-bendingly complex as always.

Off-topic: Did you watch that game yesterday, Mac!?!

Blogging....Mac, fodder should add a Doctor Who blog, especially now that BBCA has committed to airing the episodes shortly after their UK debut.

#212. Posted by: FenwayBen at August 23, 2009 11:26 AM

211. Posted by: ealgumby - curse you ealgumby!!!! i hadn't noticed these commercials before, but now find myself transfixed every time one comes on! her head is about the same size as the burger king!

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#214. Posted by: viagr at August 24, 2009 11:21 AM

@ 210/ ealgumby:
Any thing is possible in science fiction if you had the right "hook." Star Trek had a plausible hook to explain the unbelievable physics. Lost has cast so many tangent lures into the water I don't know if it will end in a "cool" way as the producers say.

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Hiatus boredom breaker:
The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
Executive producer and writer: Carlton Cuse
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisco_County,_Jr.

#216. Posted by: mtncbn at August 24, 2009 10:05 PM

Loved Brisco County Jr.
The Elvis sheriff was the best and the episode with all the football players.
Its interesting to see Carlton Cuse making an early attempt at a genre piece (in this case a western)that skews toward scifi. Though the magical gold ball they were always looking for was kind of dumb--a very lazy macguffin. overall though a sharp funny series that was very self aware of its silliness.

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*None* of the comments will be removed and they will all continue to be associated with their respective posts.

I'm making this shift because the comments mechanism built in to Movable Type is cranky and old, and third-party services (such as the one I'm about to push out) offer much better functionality.

It might take a little getting used to, but I hope you like it. As always, post your thoughts or send them to me directly at mac@filmfodder.com.

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@ 218 red neck man.
boredom is a chronic condition usually evident during the summer months,
cause:lack of vitamin L.
(no new lost on tv)

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