The Lost Blog

Key Points from "... And Found"

Season 2, Episode 5
Episode Air Date: 10/19/05

Point 1


Before we get into this week's Key Points, any married folk in the audience might want to check their ring fingers. I know I gave a few unconscious twirls to my wedding band during "... And Found."

This week, as you probably gathered, it's all about the ring -- Sun's ring, to be exact. Early in the episode Sun realizes she's lost her wedding band, which is unfortunate because she recently discovered that her husband may have also been lost. You'll recall that a sub-plot of last week's episode involved Claire's discovery of a wine bottle containing messages from the castaways. The bottle was never meant to wash up on the island's shores, and its unexpected arrival led to conjecture among Claire, Shannon and Sun (the only people who know of the bottle's reappearance) that the Raftaways had been smacked by the heavy hand of doom. In an effort to contain her own fear and keep hope alive for the other castaways, Sun buried the bottle in a sandy hole near the beach camp. Which brings us to the present ...

So Sun has lost her ring, which presents a wonderful opportunity for Sun to remember how she and Jin first met. And what film technique works best for wistful memories? Why, the flashback, of course! And so this episode is sprinkled with essential moments leading up to the star-crossed meeting of Sun and Jin. The essential points from these flashback segments include:

  • Sun's parents set her up with a matchmaking service. In an early scene, Sun and her mother bicker about the need for this sort of thing -- Sun's mom believes it's necessary for her daughter to find a man before she becomes "bronze" (that's not a tanning reference ... or an Olympic reference ... in fact, I don't know what it means). On the other side, Sun believes this matchmaking stuff is a load of crap. Unfortunately, Sun's mom wins out.

  • During these early scenes we learn that Sun earned a degree in art history at the University of Seoul. She did not earn a man, however (which brings us back to this matchmaking and bronzing stuff).

  • So Sun gets carted off to the ritzy Seoul Gateway Hotel to meet a potential suitor. Interestingly, the man she's set up with appears to be a handsome, witty, rich fella who makes her laugh (he's a cross between a young Yule Brenner and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- or any other athletic bald guy). This erudite gentleman is the exact opposite of what you'd expect from a matchmaking service ...

  • ... and that means something has to be wrong with him. Later in the episode, the rich man meets Sun for lunch at the same hotel (which his family just happens to own, thankyouvermymuch). The lunch starts pleasantly, but just before the drink order arrives, the man lobs a relationship hand grenade into the table's centerpiece. You see, he really enjoys being with Sun and he likes that their budding courtship keeps his meddling parents at bay. He's particularly excited because, if he and Sun can keep up their dating ruse (yes, ruse) for the next six months or so, that will give him plenty of time to zip back to the U.S. (he's a Harvard grad) and marry his true love, some American floozy. Sun's face drops -- she manages to hold a plastered smile, but dropping is still evident. Clearly, she had other ideas about their relationship trajectory. She politely excuses herself and rushes toward the door. A courteous and very familiar looking doorman bows as she zips by.

  • And it just so happens that the doorman is Jin! These same backstory segments show Jin's early days, and we learn a bit more about Jin's modest beginnings (his father was a fisherman, which we already knew, and Jin is from a small village in the southern part of South Korea). At the beginning of this current episode, Jin playfully bickers with his friend/roommate about relationships, jobs and hard work. The friend appears to be a slacking sort who whiles away his days consulting a Book of Destiny for clues to his (and, by extension, Jin's) future. As Jin moves around their small apartment, preparing for an important interview at the Seoul Gateway Hotel, his friend declares that the key to Jin finding true love is ... orange. Yes. Orange. Apparently, the Book of Destiny has a sense of humor. Jin casually tosses this information aside and heads off to his interview.

  • The job interview -- while fruitful -- is uncomfortably demeaning. Jin has impeccable credentials in the service industry (he was a waiter at another esteemed hotel and, presumably, he's a dyed-in-the-wool company man). The hiring manager, who has every intention of hiring Jin, decides to take a few jabs at Jin's upbringing before extending a firm offer. The manager asks Jin which village he's from and when Jin replies "Namhae," the man responds, "No wonder ... I thought I smelled fish on you." Nice.

  • Jin ignores the remark, preferring to instead focus on his new career as a doorman, which begins exactly two seconds after he's hired. In the early days, he proves to be a stunning employee, greeting the rich folk with grace and aplomb and deep, deep bows. His bows are so deep, in fact, that he completely misses the love of his life twice. Sun enters and exits the hotel and Jin never even sees her.

  • But that changes soon enough. In a confluence of meant-to-be events, Jin quits his position after he's reprimanded for letting a lower-class man and his son use the hotel's facilities. Meanwhile, Sun is sulking in the streets of Seoul. Jin heads down to a waterfront area to ponder his future and that's when a pretty woman wearing a bright orange dress passes by. Jin, remembering his friend's Book of Destiny prediction, cranes his head around for a better look. As he's ogling the goods from afar, Jin slams into a different woman, scattering the contents of her purse. He spins around and immediately gathers up the woman's belongings. He looks up and sees ... Sun! It's a clear-cut case of love at first sight (well, love at first socially inept contact). And that's where the flashbacks end.
So, getting back to the island, Sun spends the majority of this episode wracked with guilt. The metaphorical implications of losing the ring are simply too much for her to handle. Fortunately, the show's major characters stumble upon Sun at inopportune and emotional moments and let forth a cornucopia of advice, coping strategies and philosophy. These therapy sessions play out as such:
  • Jack -- The good doctor sees Sun throwing her belongs about, desperately searching for something. He picks this moment to tell Sun that he once lost his wedding ring and he too embarked on a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse and wait ... wrong pop culture reference. Anyway, Jack "fixed" the problem by having a jeweler make a replica on the sly. Sun glances at Jack's current ring-finger status. Jack catches the glance and uncomfortably notes that his wedding ring is now rattling around in his sock drawer at home. He doesn't provide further details, so this is another one of those Jack-wants-everyone-to-see-he's-not-hitched moments.

  • Hurley -- Hurley helps Sun trace her steps over the last few days. She informs him that at one point, she cut up fruit and fed it to Vincent. The light bulb sparks to life over Hurley's head. And so Hurley and Sun find Vincent, set themselves on a nearby log, and proceed to wait ... and wait ... and wait. What could they possibly be waiting for? Hurley believes Vincent gobbled the ring and, as such, the gleaming band will eventually pass through the yellow lab's digestive system. That's right. They're waiting for Vincent to drop a deuce. While they wait, Hurley tells Sun that his dog Buster once crapped out a $1.35 in nickles. Sun reveals that her dog (the same Shar-Pei puppy from "... In Translation") was named Bpo Bpo -- a name that translates to "a kiss" in Korean. Hurley's story is better.

  • Later, Sun sits alone in her Herb Garden of Delight. Her emotions are welling up -- the combination of the plane crash, the revelation of her English skills, her estrangement from Jin and now, Jin's possible death, have driven her to the edge. And so she takes out her frustration on her veggies, ripping plants from the ground and tossing them with abandon. When her botanical excavation is complete, she crumples to the ground and weeps. And that's when Locke walks by. Once again, he's in full-on Obi-Wan mode. He gingerly takes a seat near Sun. "Did you see me?" Sun asks. "Rip apart your garden? ... No," Locke replies (ever the smoothie). Sun laughs and in this light-hearted moment she tells Locke that she's never seen him get angry. He reveals that he used to get angry and frustrated all the time (thus explaining the anger support group we saw Locke attend in "Orientation"). Locke credits his new-found calm with one simple thing: "I'm not lost anymore," he says. Sun asks how he managed that. Locke looks at her: "The same way anything lost gets found ... [dramatic and meaningful pause] ... I stopped looking." BLAM! How you like that, Sun? You just had 2,000 pounds of Locke Knowledge dropped on you!

  • At the very end of the episode, Kate sidles up to Sun on the beach and that's when Sun reveals that she buried the bottle of messages. So Kate and Sun head over to the bottle burial ground to exhume this all-important McGuffin. Moments after Sun uncovers the bottle, Kate takes it and starts to remove the private notes contained within. She hurriedly reads through the messages. Sun is shocked (Who does this felonious chick think she is? Looking through people's private stuff! Disgusting!). Sun demands that Kate stop. Kate shakes a bit and stammers ... "I never said goodbye." Sun is slightly confused. "Sawyer?" she asks. "No," Kate responds. "It's Walt ... I just love that little kid! He's so good with knives and controlling animals. The island just isn't the same without him."

    Just kidding. Of course she means Sawyer. Alas, the moment soon passes, for Kate looks down and sees ... Sun's ring! Sun, who lost the ring last week when she roughly dug out the hole, is overwhelmingly relieved. Perhaps Jin isn't dead after all ...

Point 2






The raftaways continue to acclimate to their new environment (a second, less ornate hatch) and their new companions (the tail survivors -- "Tailies" -- from Oceanic 815). The Tailies have decided that Michael, Jin and Sawyer will lead them all back to the other camp. Supplies are running low at Hatch No. 2 and, more importantly, this second group of survivors is really, really wigged out about something.

That "something" revolves around a little clue dropped last week. Remember, one of the Tailies (Libby) told Michael that there were originally 23 survivors from the tail section. Now, there are six (or seven, I still haven't gotten a firm count). Clearly, strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

So the merry group of survivors decides to gear-up for the long trek across the island. Before they leave, Ana-Lucia -- the Tailies' de facto leader -- decides they'll need food, so she, Bernard (see "Everybody Hates Hugo" for more on him), and Jin hit the beach. Jim promptly shows off his fishing ability by catching three delicious, uh, fish. Ana-Lucia and Bernard are duly impressed.

At the same time, Michael and Libby walk into the brush to hunt for fruit. And this is when Libby reveals a couple of key bits to Michael:

  • The Tailies have "trust issues." Libby doesn't elaborate.

  • Libby says she "knows about scared." Again, she fails to say more (damn you and your reticent ways, Libby!)

  • The group doesn't venture inland because "that's where they come from."
We might not find much in Libby's ambiguous information, but Michael certainly does. Upon hearing "that's where they come from," Michael concludes that "they" and "Others" are synonyms. He immediately heads off in the general direction of "they" in hopes of bringing Walt back to the good side of the Force.

Michael's sudden departure puts a crimp in the Tailies' expedition plans. Ana-Lucia rounds up her troops (more like a platoon, but let's make her feel good) and says they're heading out without Michael. Jin expresses concern (in Korean) about this decision and he moves to leave the group in pursuit of Michael. But his path is blocked by the imposing, accented man we've seen in the last few episodes. The man (we learn his name is "Mr. Eko," but lord only knows if that's legit), stops Jin, but his motive appears to be Jin's safety rather than some sort of power play. Jin responds by punching Eko in the jaw. Eko easily absorbs the hit and lashes back with a nasty head butt. Jin hits the ground, then pops back up. Mr. Eko, perhaps imbued with a newfound respect for Jin's right hook, steps aside. This exchange, as violent as it was, appears to have forged a bond between these two characters because moments later, Mr. Eko breaks ranks with Ana-Lucia and announces that he'll be accompanying Jin on his Michael quest. And that brings us to ...

Point 3

... the Amazing Adventures of Jin and Eko! The dynamic duo quickly picks up Michael's trail (Eko appears to be a skilled tracker ... but he's no Locke, that's for sure). During their mission, we learn a bit about the Tailies' misadventures with the Others and the enigmatic Mr. Eko:
  • Jin stumbles (literally) upon a body that's been run-through with a big pointy stick. Eko says the dead man was an Oceanic 815 survivor named "Goodwin" (seat 42A at -- just kidding) who met his maker at the hands of the Others.

  • Eko is a master at spotting aloe in the underbrush. He picks off a piece and hands it to Jin so he can soothe the cuts he's acquired from his raft debacle, those hours in the pit, and the assorted fights he's engaged in (it's been a tough couple of episodes for Jin).

  • Jin asks Eko if he has a wife (yes, in English, but it's minimal English). Eko's response is very odd: "Worse," he says. Worse? What the hell does that mean?

  • Eko says "they" (i.e. the Others) don't leave tracks. There's a reason for this (and it doesn't involve shadowy monster security systems) ...

  • During one very tense scene, Eko and Jin hide in the brush as a menacing group of barefoot people walks past. We're led to believe that this is a group of Others, or perhaps it's all of the Others since we don't know how many people roll with this mysterious crew. But in this scene we see what appears to be 11 sets of legs walk by (it could be more, I'm just not sure). Some of the legs are bare and caked with mud. Others are clothed in ratty jeans and khakis. The one defining characteristic is that each Other has bare feet -- there are no shoes to be seen, which partially explains how the Others avoid making tracks (I'm guessing they don't slosh around in a lot of mud puddles or run through piles of broken glass).

  • This Others scene also features a potential Walt clue -- the very last walking Other is carrying a teddy bear. Is this Walt? I don't remember him being a big teddy guy. Moreover, the Other carrying the bear doesn't appear to be a 10-year-old African American kid. But who knows?
Following the Other encounter, Eko and Jin continue their search for Michael. Eventually, they catch up to him as he wanders around the jungle, screaming "Walt!" at the top of his lungs (how he didn't become Other Bait is beyond me). Eko tries to convince Michael to return to the group, warning him that he has no idea what "these people are capable of." Michael is seconds from snapping. "They took him right out of my hands," he says. "I'm not going back without him!" Jin puts his hand on Michael's shoulder. "You find Walt ... Michael," he says in stilted English. Michael, moved by being the recipient of Jin's first full English sentence, drops his shoulders. With that, Michael, Jin and Eko tromp off through the jungle to rejoin the Tailies.
Point 4

Ever since Ana-Lucia popped up in Jack's backstory ("Exodus, Part 1"), many have assumed that a Jack-Kate-Ana-Lucia love triangle would eventually be established. But in this episode we may have witnessed the beginning of a completely different triangle: Sawyer-Kate-Ana-Lucia.

Exhibit A: Kate is unusually emotional when she rifles through the messages in the bottle. She reveals to Sun that she didn't say goodbye to Sawyer. More importantly, she seems genuinely upset that Sawyer could be gone.

Exhibit B: A short scene in this episode shows Sawyer and Ana-Lucia flirting (albeit in a highly dysfunctional way). Sawyer, ever the charmer, asks Ana-Lucia if she's married. In turn, Ana-Lucia asks Sawyer if he's gay. Both seem to appreciate the other's bad attitude. Is this the beginning of something? We shall see ...

Point 5
Island A couple of island clues emerged this week:
  • The Tailies have a working radio, which could put to rest the "We're the survivors/There were no survivors" debate that flared up in the wake of last season's episode "Deus Ex Machina."

  • The scene where Jin and Eko hide from the Others featured a lot of wildlife noise. I've never heard so many birds in the background before.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
Bad news. The next new episode ("Abandoned") won't air until Nov. 9 (three friggin weeks!). Till then we've got repeats: "Adrift" airs Wednesday, Oct. 26, 9 p.m., ABC; "Orientation" airs Wednesday, Nov. 2, 9 p.m., ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

One minor detail left out. Sun's Mom, prior to the "bronze" comment also mentions a "silver." Sun appears to be athletic. Olympic? I wonder.

#1. Posted by: Chris at October 20, 2005 11:10 AM

Why the 3 week delay??

I don't understand. Is there an important event going on?

#2. Posted by: OsLt at October 20, 2005 11:15 AM

It's unusual, that's for sure. I know that "Abandoned" was originally slated to air next week. Perhaps they're stocking up for Nov. sweeps.

#3. Posted by: mac at October 20, 2005 11:16 AM

You can bet the farm they are saving it up for sweeps.

#4. Posted by: Chris at October 20, 2005 11:56 AM

The whole gold silver bronze conversation between sun and her mom sounds more like an issue of marriageability. The mom means that when she was in college and young, she was golden (ie easier to marry) now she's turned silver, and not so valuable as a wife. Soon she'll be bronze and no man will want her. Not sure why they used those terms, but it fits.

#5. Posted by: JJ at October 20, 2005 12:29 PM

Doesn't Hurley ask Sun if she went to the Olympics? (When they are waiting for the dog to take a poop) Why would he ask that, especially after the "silver" and "bronze" conversation in the flashback. Weird. Any comments?

#6. Posted by: amanda K at October 20, 2005 12:31 PM

I took the Olympics comment to be a simple conversation starter (or continuer). The Summer Games were in Seoul in '88, and since that's Sun's hometown, it doesn't seem odd that Hurley would bring it up. It's like finding out someone is from Atlanta and asking if they went to the games in '96.

I agree with JJ that the gold, silver bronze thing is just an odd way of Sun's mom ranking her daughter's marriagability.

#7. Posted by: mac at October 20, 2005 12:34 PM

hmm i hope they arent going to mae us loose interest in the show. its really great and all but they are starting to make it too mysterious to handle ( if there is such a thing ). the obi wan comment was hilarious. inspite of my cribbing i noticed something , all the food had the symbol of dharma initiative on it. why is that. probably they are testing the quality of their food on the survivors. cause no more animal testing, why not test on humans.and why are the so called others doing a Gandhi. no footwear????? and why the hell are they killing people. probably its for the sport.who wouldnt be bored on a crappy island being tormented all the time by smoke monsters and having to run aroung shoeless, i would love to kill some survivor wannabes. anyways if i get some new info or some really bad ideas ,i will post it.

#8. Posted by: roshan at October 20, 2005 12:38 PM

The "silver" and "bronze" are a reflection of age. If she had found a husband (when she was younger) in college, she would have been "gold." If she found one now, she'd be "silver" (she's slightly older). If she finds one in the future, it'll be "bronze." These imply that the longer Sun waits, she will diminish in value. It's just an antiqudated way of looking at women and marriage.

#9. Posted by: Laurie at October 20, 2005 12:48 PM

the delay (i imagine) has to do with the world series. not on ABC but still. that's big competition.

#10. Posted by: bobb at October 20, 2005 2:16 PM

According to (CAUTION: Read no further is you prefer not to know any details!) the next episode will air on nov. 9 and will be Shannon-centric, as she relives the death of her father and is plagued by more visions of Walt. It says that a female series regular will die at the hands of another female series regular. A quote from it is: "I just found out HOW the female on Lost dies and ... I want to cry. I'm not kidding. It's so shocking. So good. And so unbelievable. The doomed female dies NOT at the hands of the monster. But it is at the hands of someone we know who .... well, given this twist, just might BE a monster."
Hmm...Anyone else think Kate will somehow be responsible for Shannon's death? It seems highly plausible that Shannon will flashback to her father's death as she lays there dying herself. And, given Kate's criminal past, we just can't be too sure what she's capable of. Another theory: When Walt told her "Don't Press the button. The button's bad" (which is also confirmed on spoilerfix to be what he said), perhaps he wasn't talking about the hatch button at all. There could be any number of buttons on this place. Maybe Walt was refering to one that would set off an unfortunate chain of events leading to her death. Damn, that'd be rough!

#11. Posted by: Trinity at October 20, 2005 2:24 PM

this is my theory. the individuals on the boat,(the ones who kidnapped Walt) and the indviduals
walking through the jungle are two separate groups. The indviduals on the boat possess the intelligence to operate a boat, maintain a boat,
manufacture maltov cocktails, speak in complete sentences. the list can go on and on. Why would people of this intellect walk through the jungle dirty and barefoot, dragging a teddy bear on a string. The group walking through the jungle seem to be savages, a sub human speceis. Or the island, or the Dharma initiative experiments, has affect these people in some supernatural metaphsyical way. so who is who. The boat people kidnapped Walt because of Walts ESP. Walt is trying to contact Shanon via his ESP. Walt is a prize, a tool to be used by whoever is controlling these expirements. The jungle individuals, a seperate continuing experiment. What will the end results be.

#12. Posted by: powersauce at October 20, 2005 2:37 PM

[CAUTION Continued Spoiler - Ignore if you don't want to know what MIGHT happen. FURTHER CAUTION This might just be garbage-conjecture]

If I remember correctly, A Mr Rutherford died while Jack was saving his wife-to-be (He was the driver of one of the vehicles involved). Time of death was 8.15am. Shannon's surname is Rutherford. A link, perhaps? Something that Shannon might re-live as she dies, IF she dies?

#13. Posted by: English Addict at October 20, 2005 3:56 PM

I might be incorrect, but I thought that when the group of "others" walked by Jin and Mr. Eko, all you could hear was the wildlife noise in the background. It appeared as though the group of "others" (because we don't REALLY know if that group is the famed "Others") made NO NOISE at all as they looked like just legs and feet passing in front of the screen. Neither Jin nor Mr. Eko responded to this group in any way, to each other, in their facial expressions, nothing. Is this group real? Are we positive Mr. Eko and Jin were seeing them? Is Walt still alive, or is Shannon being plagued by a vision of him....a vision that makes no sound as it moves?

Another note...again, I could be wrong...I thought the destiny book Jin's friend refers to in the flashback contained characters from the I Ching (the symbols he read right before he said, "Orange"...). In one of the other forums from this season, I noticed someone else picked up on the fact that the numbers can be directly related to the I Ching as well...just an interesting little connection...

#14. Posted by: Vikki at October 20, 2005 6:52 PM

I am I crazy or was Micheal in the DHARMA orientation movie? There are two instances where I see Micheal with a huge afro siting in the classroom and in the lab.

Could it be that this is where Micheal was experimented on and Walt is the end results of this experiment?

Does anyone know where Micheal went to school?

Why was Walt's mother so eager to get distance between the father and son?

#15. Posted by: Matthias de Haan at October 20, 2005 7:11 PM

Just a though, could the "trust issues" thing mean that someone like Ethan Rom got into their group?

#16. Posted by: Nathan at October 20, 2005 7:25 PM

I have seen the scripts and this is what is gonna happen.

Jin will be the one thats goes missing... the others are gonna teach him english and he will come back in ep20 with a cockney accent ;)

Rose and hurley get jiggy and bernard throws a wobbley

Vincent finds charlies vigin mary and eats heroin gets high and munches turniphead

#17. Posted by: Tsol at October 20, 2005 8:09 PM

Go watch Simpsons. Tha'ts about your speed.

#18. Posted by: janet at October 20, 2005 10:46 PM

LOL! I dunno. A Vincent-Turniphead throw-down would certainly rope 'em in during sweeps!

#19. Posted by: mac at October 20, 2005 11:56 PM

How about the theory I read somewhere on this blog that the Tailies are on a completely different island. It still seems plausible to me.

And does anyone know how many different Dharma logos there are?

#20. Posted by: SnakeJake at October 21, 2005 7:51 AM

My guess is that the young kid with the bear is Danielle's kid, Alex.

Any one else agree?

#21. Posted by: 5StatesAway at October 21, 2005 10:58 AM

I don't know. I think Alex is supposed to be at least 16 years old now, since that's how long the French chick has supposedly been on the island.

#22. Posted by: mirwin101 at October 21, 2005 11:11 AM

Take a look at the DAHRMA video. Two of the folks in the freeze frames, a bearded man and a woman appear to be two of the OTHERS from the boat.

#23. Posted by: steve at October 21, 2005 2:34 PM

has anyone else been checking the oceanic-air website? the clues keep changing. Flight 777, Flight 815, claire's boarding pass, a map...

#24. Posted by: Susan at October 21, 2005 2:38 PM

I think I have figured out Lost, so this is an obvious spoiler AND something that's proabably been repeated a hundred times, so go easy on me.

My basic theory is that the island is where a company/government of some kind shoots down planes. People get picked, then the company/government finds out how they deal with the problem. The Others are just another group that really did not turn out well, from a different plane wreck, that's been there longer. The bunkers are just part of the tests. So, I think we'll see more tests, and the ultimate "heros" are those (like Jack and Mr. Eko, I think) are those that pass the tests, and those that fail (I'm thinking Locke) are the enemies. And, sometimes passing or failing gets you killed or removed from the island, and that any of those characters could come back at some point.

Way off base?

- JB

#25. Posted by: John Brandon at October 21, 2005 2:49 PM

what happened from the last episode with hurley wanted to blow up the pantry? what happened? all of a sudden it seems like that never happened right? what happened with that storyline? it's not mentioned at all in this episode.

#26. Posted by: a at October 22, 2005 2:55 AM

Try watching the whole episode! He just hands food out to people so they are happy and all love him again because there was only enough for 1 person for 3 meals a day for a month. Obviously not enough for 40 something people for any length of time.

#27. Posted by: gotspeed13 at October 22, 2005 10:45 AM

Rose found him in the pantry with the dynomite and told him that everyone on the island loved him. Then Jack gave him his blessing to do what he wanted with the food in the pantry so he started handing it out to everyone. It just made a happy ending to "Everyone hates Hurley!"

#28. Posted by: janet at October 22, 2005 4:45 PM

oh thanks
now i get it
i didn't read that part anywhere before

#29. Posted by: a at October 23, 2005 12:49 AM

has anyone explored: ? is it official? any hints?

#30. Posted by: solost at October 23, 2005 9:26 PM

also...there is a new site with ref to Dharma:

#31. Posted by: solost at October 23, 2005 9:40 PM

About the legs that Jin and Ecko saw.... my theory is they are decendants of the slave ship the Black Rock. Explains why they are shoeless and have ratty pants. Don't know what to say about the teddy bear though.

#32. Posted by: GeekyGal at October 24, 2005 9:29 PM


i think it's

#33. Posted by: Sandy at October 25, 2005 12:55 PM

I'm new to posting but so far this site seems to be the friendliest! As well as the most open to any ideas. There's a site that has pictures posted of "possible" future episodes that explain where the teddy bear came from. Some of the "others" that walk by appeared to me to be young - skinny legs. I kinda like the idea of them being decendents from the Black Rock - they could be keeping clothed by killing new castaways. Has anyone been to the UK website? It's kinda fun - lots of interactive stuff. I'll say one thing - Lost is definitely the next stage of tv - whatever it turns out to be!

#34. Posted by: Kathy at October 25, 2005 9:45 PM

The blog posted :Libby says she "knows about scared." Again, she fails to say more (damn you and your reticent ways, Libby!).:

Sorry folks, but according to what I have seen so far, she looks very scared, better said she looks like coming out of the psychic ward and therefore it means at least a future episode about her real psychiatric problems

Greetings from Chile the only real until now unoficial "lost-tv show" country (gee, it's not on tv in this country)

#35. Posted by: Victor Gottschald at October 27, 2005 3:00 PM

This episode told us that "The Others" leave no track. What can you think of that leave no track? Yes, ghost! My guessing is the whole island is a gigantic ESP enhancement device. With that, people can see dead people, can hear them whisper, can create vision, and can visualize/materialize "Monster". Walt was the one who created the polar bears!

#36. Posted by: Student at October 28, 2005 7:35 PM

btw If Desmond ran away, where did he go?

#37. Posted by: Dino at October 28, 2005 9:18 PM

HI, First time post here. Is the crazy or what . The lottery numbers are all retired New York Yankees ,check it out

4 Lou Gehrig
8 Yogi Berra
15 Thurman Munson
16 Whitey Ford
23 Don Mattingly
42 Jackie Robinson ( not a yankee but his
number is retired throughout
Baseball )

HMMMMMMMM DOES THIS MEAN ANYTHING ? lets here your thoughts

#38. Posted by: Joe at October 28, 2005 11:19 PM

I think it means that when the castaways appear to have salvation within their grasp, they'll somehow manage to choke four times in a row and suffer the worst loss in island history ;)

(Sorry! Couldn't resist)

#39. Posted by: mac at October 29, 2005 12:12 AM

I think that Kate was in Australia trying to give the toy airplane back to her friend's son. When Sawyer was arrested, he broke a policeman's cup. The cup was of a woman and a boy, around 4 years old. I believe that this boy is Kate's dead friends son and wife, now living in Australia.......

#40. Posted by: shawn at October 29, 2005 8:40 AM

I think Walt doesn't create the Polar Bears. I think they come from one of the research stations on the island, the zoological one, that would explain the Shark too. The others could be the leftovers, and could still be living in the Phsycological research stations.

However I reckon Dharma went bust, and somehow the munitions person was involved in how the plane crashed.

#41. Posted by: Chris at October 30, 2005 5:50 PM

After going back and examining the "Dharma" logo on the plane wreckage, I don't think that it really is the Dharma logo. If you look closely, you'll see that while it does appear to be octagonal in shape, the "I Ching" trigrams (the symbols with the various combinations of three broken (yin) and unbroken (yang) lines) are clearly not present on the symbol on the plane. They are clearly present on the Dharma symbols we've seen so far -- on Desmond's coat, in both hatches, the food in the Swan hatch, on the shark's tail -- but they clearly are not present in the symbol on the plane...

#42. Posted by: stocky at November 1, 2005 8:17 PM

Another useless numbers reference:

In the original Hebrew, the Biblical Ten Commandments are composed of only 108 words. Hmmm?

#43. Posted by: joseph at November 1, 2005 10:53 PM

Lost needs to just buck up and put some new episodes on. I can't believe they took 3 weeks off !!! There hasnt even been a decent special on instead. Fargin Bastages !! I looked at this site that explains bf skinner and his beliefs at at the very
end this is written - "Both freedom and dignity are examples of what
Skinner calls mentalistic constructs -- unobservable and so useless for a scientific psychology. Other examples include defense mechanisms, the unconscious, archetypes, fictional finalisms, coping strategies, self-actualization, consciousness, even things like hunger and thirst. The most important example is what he refers to as the homunculus -- Latin for ?the little man? -- that supposedly resides inside us and is used to explain our behavior, ideas like soul, mind, ego, will, self, and, of course, personality. "

Doesnt that sound like a plane crash to you ? Wonder if that is what they are studying.


#44. Posted by: dOR at November 3, 2005 5:02 PM

Regarding Walt's abduction, HOW did these "Others" even know about his powers in the first place? It's not like he's made it very obvious to everyone all along.

Also (sorry a little off thread from this episode), something that has sorta run dead is the part in last season where Ethan kidnapped Claire (for the baby?), died trying to get her back, and then crazy French lady steals the baby to make a trade. But as she is about to take Claire's baby, Claire sees the scratch marks on her arm, remembers and asks her "why did I scratch you?". Is Danielle and Ethan connencted in a way? It seems that Danielle and the others could have more in common than we think.

#45. Posted by: nams13 at November 4, 2005 7:05 AM

I`ve heard that the island has been used for experiments on animals and other stuff. thats why the animals are different (giant polar bears, monsters). some says that they used the island for experiments until an accident happened....

#46. Posted by: SAilja at November 7, 2005 3:30 PM

Can someone please tell me when the infamous 4 8 15 16 23 42 first appeared in any episode?

#47. Posted by: PAG at November 9, 2005 12:43 PM

If you look at the Dharma Institute site, you will see a reference to I changed the .se to .com and it took me to the following weblink:

It provides a singularly pure solution to some of the islands' historical secrets.

#48. Posted by: Snas at November 9, 2005 5:45 PM

Heh, the producers said "if its an island".

What else could it be? A Continent? Australia? One of the Marshall Islands? Hawaii? Around the next headland there could be a massive Hotel for all the lost survivors know. They should have explored the coast of the island as soon as they were organised. Lets face it, they don't know if they have crashed 2 miles off of a populated Island.

#49. Posted by: Joe at November 10, 2005 8:51 AM

How do you get the to work? I see the octagonal design, but then it just tells me I have a wrong IP address or something and won't let me go further.

#50. Posted by: Josie at November 11, 2005 8:54 PM

So... Now I know how the two next episodes will be. I haven't seem this episode, beacuse, in Sweden, where I live, we're a bit... after USA. (I'm taking my nationality as an exuse for my bad english...)

#51. Posted by: Itzel at November 13, 2005 11:19 AM

How do you get the to work?

When it tells you invalid IP, right click on the screen. Select "rewind." It validated me immediately.

Then you have to put in "the numbers." After that it asks for a member ID... don't have one of those, though, but it checks with

#52. Posted by: K. Pike at November 17, 2005 2:16 PM

On the "Bronze" issue. It's a coomon conceit in many cultures. For instance, the Mexican folk song "La Cucaracha" has a verse which, in English translation, goes:

Dark women are good as gold;
Brunettes like silver win;
The blondes are only copper,
And the light ones only tin.

Or another alternate version goes, in Spanish:

Las muchachas son de oro;
Las casadas son de plata;
Las viudas son de cobre,
Y las viejas oja de lata.

Which translates to:

All the maidens are of pure gold;
All the married girls are silver;
All the widows are of copper,
And old women merely tin.

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