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Key Points from "The Hunting Party"

Season 2, Episode 11
Episode Air Date: 01/18/06

Point 1
Jack

Locke

Sawyer

Kate

Michael

At this episode's 20-minute mark I thought I was watching one of the low-boil character shows we occasionally encounter. You know -- the kind of episode that features great acting and some fine cinematography, but no real forward progress.

Obviously, I'm an idiot.

The final half-hour of this episode unleashed a one-two punch of Other encounters and revelations. And, most impressively, it came as a complete surprise.

But we'll get to the Other developments in a bit. Right now, we've got some recapping to do.

We begin in the hatch. The hatch armory to be exact. You'll recall that Locke spent the majority of last episode resetting the locks on the armory so he could prevent gun-happy castaways from raiding the arms locker and blowing holes into their fellow island goers (I'm looking at you Ana). As it turns out, Locke's effort was for naught -- he shouldn't have bothered resetting the locks. What he should have done was kept his eye on Michael.

Michael, you'll recall, is having a Very Hard Time. The Others stole his son and he's been chomping at the bit to go on a commando mission to retrieve the wayward Walt. Worse still, his "son" (or someone claiming to be his son), has been instant messaging him through the Hatch's ancient mainframe. So Michael, who's functioning on a half-hour's worth of sleep over the last three weeks, is now convinced that the only course of action is to load up and head out.

It's the "load up" part that causes a problem for Locke. Somehow, in some miraculous way, Michael gets the drop on Locke (we don't witness this moment, but it obviously involved an elaborate pulley system and black magic). When the episode begins, we see Locke unconscious on the floor. Jack, who was napping in the hatch bunk beds (I hope they changed those sheets), wakes to find Locke groaning in pain on the dank cement floor of the armory. Jack rushes in, but as he bolts through the doorway, Michael appears from around the corner. He's armed to the hilt with rifles and pistols and ammo, and he's burnin' with vengeance (we know this because his eyes are open real wide and his beard and hair look particularly scruffy -- it's as though the anger is zapping from the tips of his follicles). Michael aims the gun at Jack and tells him that he's going to find Walt ... alone. Jack attempts to reason with Michael, but it's a lost cause because: 1. Michael is out of his friggin' mind and 2. Michael is holding a loaded weapon.

Michael, unswayed by Jack's half-hearted attempts at resolution, slams the armory door shut and locks Jack and Locke inside. (Note: Before departing, Michael wildly declares that the hatch computer "is not what you think it is." He doesn't elaborate, which means a very special upcoming episode will zero in on the computer's tragic backstory).

Returning to the action ... Locke soon regains consciousness and he and Jack realize that the hatch countdown is marching on, but the two people who are supposed to press the all-important Execute button are unavailable to complete their task. And thus we have another anti-climactic "will they push the button in time?!?" moment.

They push the button in time. Sorry to spoil the fun.

Kate and Sawyer appear in the hatch long before the countdown hits zero. Kate enters the code (4 8 15 16 23 42 -- just in case you forgot) while Sawyer releases Jack and Locke from captivity. Exactly .00001 seconds later, Jack grabs a gun and hands it to Locke. His Alpha Male alarm is at DEFCON 1. Without consulting any of his cohorts, Jack announces that they're going after Michael. Locke grudgingly complies (he doesn't verbally disagree, but his body language clearly conveys his sentiments -- "Jack, this is such a bad idea"). Sawyer also grabs a weapon, which is impressive for a guy who was flittering near death 48 hours ago (I have no idea if that's how long it's been. Regardless, he was almost dead and now he's balls-out for a military mission. There's some strong stuff in those antibiotics).

So here's where things stand: Jack, Locke and Sawyer are going to bound into the woods searching for their heavily-armed, borderline-insane friend. Moreover, they're going to charge head-long into Other territory. Oh yeah, this is gonna work out just fine.

As the Three Amigos prepare to head out, Kate asks Jack for a gun. Her request is met by Jack's Stare of Death. He vehemently denies her request and tells her -- well, orders her -- to stay behind. Kate is dumbfounded, but she complies with Jack's demand.

As longtime viewers you know that with this show, the journey is often as important as the outcome. It's during the long, perilous treks into the jungle that we often learn important nuggets of information about our enigmatic castaways. This episode's journey is no different. As Jack, Locke and Sawyer move through the brush, we discover the following:

  • Jack offhandedly references Sawyer's "love" for Kate (Sawyer mumbled "I love her" as he faded in and out of consciousness during "What Kate Did"). This declaration of love is news to Sawyer. He either doesn't remember his mumbling revelation (a legitimate conclusion since he was almost dead) or he's playing dumb. We shall see.
  • The ideological battle between Jack and Locke continues to build toward a cataclysmic conclusion (I smell a sweeps episode!). Consider this: During a brief break in their pursuit, Locke tells Jack that Michael is taking a straight, unwavering path into the island's northern section. "It's the path of a man who knows where he's going," Locke says. [DRAMATIC PAUSE] "Where you goin', Jack?"

    Only Locke could turn an off-hand conversation about tracking into a pure Obi-Wan moment. Upon hearing Locke's question, Jack cocks his head and, in his best disgruntled jock voice responds: "What?"

    Locke continues down the path of enlightenment by offering the following scenario: If they do catch up with Michael, how, exactly, is Jack going to make him come back? Obviously, Locke notes, Michael has no desire to hang around the hatch. Moreover, he's displayed irrational behavior and a psychotic commitment to his mission. So, it's a fair question: What the hell are you going to do, Jack?

    Jack responds: "You think we should just let him go? Write him off?"

    Locke's eyes light up. He's been waiting to say this next part all day: "Who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do?"

    Jack has absolutely no response.

  • Locke tells Sawyer that he knows his given name isn't Sawyer (Locke discovered Sawyer's real name -- James Ford -- on the flight manifest Hurley used to take the island census back in "Raised by Another"). Locke asks Sawyer about his chosen nickname, but Sawyer -- who's stunned Locke knows his not-so-secret secret -- doesn't have an opportunity to respond. Why is that? Well, that brings us to ...
Gunshots! Gunshots in the woods!

The Three Amigos' tracking adventure comes to an abrupt end when they hear rifle fire in the distance. Jack, who seems to lose IQ points the deeper he travels into the jungle, calls out for Michael and runs toward the gunfire. Locke and Sawyer chase Jack because, well, he's the only doctor and it'd be a shame for him to get his head blown off.

Jack's sprint eventually concludes up and he, Sawyer and Locke move into a small clearing. Locke spots three shell casings and announces they came from Michael's rifle. But there's a problem: Sawyer and Locke both heard at least seven shots. Someone must have been returning fire (or maybe Michael, ever the conservationist, picked up four shell casings before he continued on his homicidal rampage).

Alas, the shell casing discrepancy remains an unsolved mystery. There's a bigger problem: Locke has lost Michael's trail (whether he really lost it or he "lost" it so they could give up on this hair-brained rescue mission is up for debate). Jack is getting restless -- night is falling and his guilt complex is really starting to flare up. He looks at Locke and says: "You know what happens if we turn around and go back? We're never gonna see him [Michael] again. And that's going to be on us -- on you and on me."

And then, from the darkness, comes a booming response ...

"YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, JACK."

I put this quote in all caps for a reason: This quote, "YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, JACK," could prove to be a major turning point in the future of this series. In fact, I'm sure of it. This quote -- this all-caps quote -- is going to be huge. Why? Why would such a simple response be huge? Because it didn't come from Locke ... or Sawyer.

It came from the Bearded Other who kidnapped Walt!!! (exclamation points added to emphasize how big this is).

But wait! The Bearded Other has more to say: "... but if I were you, I'd listen to Mr. Locke."

Whoa whoa whoa. "Mr. Locke?" Not only have Jack, Locke and Sawyer just run head-on into the Others, but the Others know who they are.

The trio spots the bearded man standing a short way's off by the treeline. They all take aim and get real twitchy. The bearded man doesn't blink.

"Who are you?" Jack asks/demands.

Sawyer knows exactly who he is. "He's the son of a bitch who shot me on the raft," Sawyer growls. Our floppy-haired car salesman cocks his pistol and takes two steps toward the Bearded Other. Suddenly, a gun fires and a bullet grazes Sawyer's neck, burning a light wound into his flesh.

"Probably be best if we just keep our hands at our sides, gentlemen," the Bearded Other calmly recommends. The Three Amigos, confused and wondering what they've stumbled into, back down.

"Where's Michael?" Jack asks.

"Don't worry about Michael," the Bearded Other says. "He's not going to find us."

"What do you want?" Jack asks (he's turned into a two-year-old at this point; only able to ask simple questions).

The Other looks at Locke.

"Why don't you build us a fire, John," the Bearded Other suggests. "Think it's time we all had a talk."

EXCUSE ME!?!

The Others, the group that kills at will and burns rafts and kidnaps children, wants to talk?.

And talk they do ...

So Locke builds a fire and he, Jack and Sawyer stand around and hold an impromptu pow-wow with the Bearded Other (I'm assuming he's an Other Leader, but really, who knows?). Locke asks the man how he knows their names, but before the Bearded One can answer this incredibly apropos and very useful question, Jack butts in (Jesus Jack -- SHUT UP!).

"You took Walt," Jack says, striding toward the man.

"Walt's fine," Bearded Man replies. "He's a very special boy."

Jack pauses. "Look, you said you want to talk. Talk."

The Bearded Other takes a breath, summons his best Wilford Brimley impersonation, and then launches into the series' very first Other Parable.

"Let me ask you this," the Other says. "How long you been here on the island?"

"50 days," Jack says.

"Ohhhh, 50 days," the Other mocks. "That's what? Almost two whole months? Tell me. You go over to a man's house for the first time. Do you take off your shoes? You put your feet up on his coffee table? Do you walk in the kitchen and eat food that doesn't belong to you? [The Bearded Other shifts his gaze toward Locke] Open the door to rooms you got no business opening? You know, somebody a whole lot smarter than anybody here once said 'since the dawn of our species, man has been blessed with curiosity' ... You know the other one about curiosity, don't you Jack?," the Other asks.

[DRAMATIC BEARD-FILLED PAUSE]

"This is not your island," the Bearded Other continues. "This is our island. And the only reason you're living on it is because we let you live on it."

Jack smiles. "I don't believe you," he says. "I think you've got one guy up there with a gun. I think there's more of us than there are of you. I think if you had any real strength you wouldn't have had to send a spy ... [Bearded man looks casually at Jack] ... Ethan."

"That's an interesting theory," Bearded Other says. He takes a breath ...

"LIGHT 'EM UP!" the Bearded Other bellows.

Suddenly, 13 or 14 (or 15? or 16? Maybe 23?) torches blaze to life in the woods surrounding Jack, Locke and Sawyer. The Amigos had no idea they were surrounded by an Other platoon.

"We got a misunderstanding, Jack," the Other growls. "Your people. My people. So listen carefully. Right here [points down] there's a line. You cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to ... something else. Now give me your weapons. Turn around. Go home."

"No," Jack says defiantly.

Locke softly chimes in: "Jack, maybe we ..."

"NO!" Jack shouts.

"I hoped it wouldn't come to this," the Other says. "Bring her out, Alex!" (Alex? As in Rousseau's Alex?).

The unseen Alex (we only glimpse the wrist of Alex), shoves a woman with a burlap bag over her head toward the Bearded Other. Recognition flashes over the faces of Jack, Locke and Sawyer.

"She was following you," the Other says. "Like i said ... curiosity!"

The Other lifts the bag and reveals ... KATE!

Bound and gagged, Kate's eyes dart across the fire. Jack huffs in disgust. Sawyer moves for his gun, but the Other anticipates this -- he cocks a pistol and shoves the barrel into Kate's neck.

"Jack, the decision you gotta make right now is this," the man says. "Can you live with the fact that I shot this woman right in front of you ... when you could have saved her life by giving up and going home? Now, you're gonna give me your guns. Turn around and walk away. It's your call, Jack ... I'm gonna count to three ... One ... Two ..."

"Stop!" Jack says/pleads.

Jack throws his guns to the ground. Locke follows suit, tossing one gun nearby. "Give me the other one, too," the Other coyly says. Locke reaches into a pocket and throws his second (and hidden) pistol to the ground. The Other looks at Sawyer. Sawyer reluctantly walks forward and moves to drop his gun, but he pauses.

"You and me ain't done Zeke," Sawyer threatens.

Sawyer drops the gun. The Other pulls the weapons toward him, then pushes Kate away. With that, The Bearded One walks into the woods as the flames of the Other platoon extinguish.

Sawyer unties Kate as she looks at Jack. "Jack, I ..." Kate stammers.

Jack looks away. "You all right?" he asks tersely.

"Yeah," Kate says sheepishly.

And with that, the Other Pow-Wow comes to a close.

Now, I'm not a political analyst, but if this was meant to be a bargaining session where both sides come together to air their grievances and negotiate, well, I'd say that Jack and his boys just got hosed by the Others. Jack called a bluff that wasn't there and the Bearded Other upped the ante by adding Kate to the equation. So, in one fell swoop, the Bearded Man showed Jack exactly who's in charge and, on top of that, he bent Jack's ego over his knee and slapped it red.

This Other encounter will certainly be a prime topic of conversation in the weeks to come -- and I'm sure it will be deconstructed by people who are far more observant than me -- but I feel the need to point out a few key comments and questions:

  1. The "quote" the Bearded Other references -- "since the dawn of our species, man has been blessed with curiosity" -- is attributed to Alvar Hanso. Remember him? He just happens to be the munitions magnate who funded the Dharma Initiative. Since the Bearded One is fond of quoting Mr. Hanso, I'd say the theories suggesting that the Bearded Other is actually Dharma co-founder Gerald DeGroot just gained a whole lot of credibility.
  2. Is the "Alex" the Bearded Other calls to the long-lost daughter of Rousseau? Somehow, I don't think the always-meticulous "Lost" crew would throw a random "Alex" in there just for the hell of it.

  3. Was Ethan really an other? Was Goodwin? When Jack mentioned Ethan, the Bearded Other was non-committal in his response. Is it possible Ethan and Goodwin are part of some other group? Or (more likely) have I taken the conspiracies of this show to a completely insane level?
  4. Why did the Bearded Other want to "talk"? In the past, the Others have gone with a "Violence First, Talking Never" approach. What changed? Do the castaways have leverage that we (and they) don't know about? Could Walt be bartering information/skills in return for the castaways' safety?
  5. Where the hell is Michael?
I'm sure there are hundreds more questions and comments -- please offer your own thoughts in the comments area below.

Now then ... we've got one more thing to cover in this section. Early the next morning, Jack, Locke, Sawyer and Kate take the long journey back to the beach camp. Kate is on Jack's heels, desperately trying to get his attention and open a dialogue. She's clearly contrite and upset, but Jack has absolutely no desire to talk to her. Kate finally grabs Jack's arm and pulls him back from Locke and Sawyer.

"Hey!" Kate barks. "Could you just talk to me for a second? ... I'm sorry."

[DRAMATIC AND MEANINGFUL PAUSE SIGNALING A MAJOR RIFT IN THE KATE-JACK RELATIONSHIP ... ]

"Yeah. I'm sorry too," Jack says as he turns and walks off.

Interestingly, a variation on this "I'm sorry ... me too" line just happens to pop up in ...

Point 2
Jack
... Jack's backstory!

Now, I'll get to the "I'm sorry" quote -- and its context -- in just a minute. Right now, we need to fill in a few gaps.

One of the least interesting but most often referenced "questions" on this show is: Why did Jack and Sarah get divorced? Jack has referenced the relationship countless times (the most memorable being Jack's emotional breakdown in front of Desmond). To this point, we've seen the genesis of the Jack-Sarah relationship (he "fixed" her following a horrible car crash -- the same car crash that killed Shannon's father) and we've seen them exchange marriage vows, but the dissolution of their union has remained a mystery ... until now.

Given Jack's tendency toward fiery outbursts, it's surprising to discover that his marriage ended not with a bang, but with a whimper. In this episode, we jump into Jack and Sarah's relationship a few years after their marriage (I'm guessing at the timeline, but that seems about right). Jack is hyper-focused on his medical career, which doesn't bode well for a home life. To complicate matters, Jack has been asked (well, begged) to perform a high-risk spinal surgery on an Italian man. This man, and his beautiful and dutiful daughter Gabriela, have sought out Jack based on his previous success with "miraculous" surgeries. Apparently, word of Sarah's stunning recovery has boosted Jack's reputation as a top-flight spinal surgeon, so now he has folks jetting in from across the globe to plead for his assistance.

So Jack accepts the challenge. He proceeds carefully, running a slew of tests and offering Gabriela and her father ample opportunity to back out of the risky procedure. During this time, Jack and Gabriela grow close -- a little too close. At one point, Jack's father (the hospital's chief surgeon ... and a future corpse) warns Jack that "there's a line" and he's dangerously close to crossing it. "I guess you would know," Jack snaps back, suggesting that Daddy had a few dalliances. But Daddy has a comeback of his own: "It may be okay for some people, Jack. But not for you."

Despite this warning, Jack does a little line-crossing later in the episode. He performs the surgery -- a marathon seven-hour session -- but we learn that the Italian man's heart gave out before Jack could finish. Jack's father tries to console him, but Jack is distraught. Shortly thereafter, he runs into Gabriela in the hospital parking lot. She thanks him for trying, but her thank you quickly turns into a torrent of tears. Jack hugs her ... it's very similar to the hug he gave Kate in "What Kate Did," and we all remember how that turned out ...

So Gabriela kisses Jack and Jack kisses back. It goes on for a while, but Jack soon remembers he's married and he abruptly breaks away. He goes to his car and drives home to Sarah.

When he walks in, Sarah is putting away dishes.

"How did it go?" Sarah asks.

"He died," Jack says.

"I'm sorry," Sarah says softly.

"Yeah, me too," Jack says (there's that quote again!)

And this is when their entire relationship unravels.

Jack moves into the kitchen to help Sarah wash dishes, but this is no mere dishwashing session. No. This is a dishwashing session with meaning. With each soapy pass of a sponge and each scraped off food particle, a bind between Jack and Sarah is cut forever (okay, enough with that nonsense -- I'm making myself sick). So anyway, Sarah asks Jack how the "daughter" took the news. Jack tells her she kissed him ... and he kissed back. His eyes well with tears and he yammers about how he hasn't been home enough but now he knows he needs to try harder so that's what he's going to do and he'll make it right and it'll be like it was at the beginning, so please Sarah, just give him another chance and give him a nice loving hug so he'll know it's all better ...

And so he hugs her. But she doesn't hug back. You see, Sarah has a little secret.

She breaks off from the hug. "I've been seeing someone ..." she says.

YOU'VE BEEN WHAT?!?

Sarah, perhaps because Jack is a distant doctor obsessed with his job, or maybe because she's a colossal bitch, has wandered beyond the bounds of her marriage. And now, she's decided to leave him (she says this). Jack is dumbfounded. As Sarah moves to walk away, she turns and looks back at Jack.

"You will always need something to fix," she says.

Somehow, Jack resists the urge to chuck her in a woodchipper. (Note: This is a "Fargo" reference, not an endorsement of domestic violence -- no letters please)

Now, I understand Sarah had to leave and I understand that Jack probably wasn't the best husband in the world, but he deserves as least some respect for FIXING HER SHATTERED SPINE. On top of that, did she really need to go out with a zinger? Couldn't she just top things off with a nice "I hope we can still be friends"?

And so that's that with Sarah.

Now who wants to bet she left Jack for Sawyer? Or Boone? Or maybe even ... Desmond?

Point 3
Charlie

Hurley
Charlie, fresh from being dissed by Claire in last week's episode, joins Hurley to drown his sorrows in the hatch's limited musical selection (the superhits of Geronimo Jackson is a featured album).

Hurley coyly asks Charlie what he thinks about "that Libby chick" (remember, Hurley and Libby shared a "moment" during last week's closing music montage). Hurley clearly has designs on an island interlude. He wisely notes: "I think I have a chance with her. I mean, it's a classic desert island scenario. If I ever had a shot, this is it."

Good point, big man. You ride that train all the way to Bootyville!

Point 4
Sun

Jin
Sun and Jin narrowly avoided another relationship disaster. When Jin learns that Michael has zipped into the jungle on his commando mission, Jin's instinct is to pack up and join the search party. But Sun stops him in his tracks. She tells Jin that when he left on the raft she worried every second of every day and there's no way she's going through that again. The inherent truth in Sun's words stabs Jin right between the eyes. He wisely puts down his bag and stays put.

Later in the episode, the two share another key moment. Jin tells Sun he doesn't like being told what to do. Sun reminds Jin that she's been told what to do for the last four years, and she didn't particularly like it.

"I don't suppose you did," Jin says, suddenly aware of how big an a-hole he's been.

Now you're getting it!

Sidenote: I sincerely hope the writers aren't planning a build-up-to-kill-off scenario with these two characters. I'm always wary when a relationship strengthens -- because that's when we're most invested. And when we're invested ...

Point 5
Jack

Ana-Lucia

At the very end of the episode, Jack returns from his failed rescue mission and he finds Ana-Lucia sitting on the beach. She continues to play the martyr/ostracism card. We know this because she's been sitting in the same desolate plot of sand for the last three weeks. Given what I'm about to recount, I don't think she's going to be sitting for long ...

So Jack sits down, takes a swig of water, then looks at Ana and says: "Can I ask you something?"

"Shoot," Ana says.

Wait for it ... Waaaaait for it ....

Jack: "How long do you think it would take to train an army?"

WHAT?!

Ladies and gentlemen, the direction for the rest of the season has just been set.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Fire + Water" -- Charlie's nightmares portend unfortunate things for baby Aaron. Airs: Wednesday, Jan. 25, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.


I know there are few Ana Lucia fans, but when Sawyer said "I lover her" I think he meant Ana Lucia not Kate. Sawyer had just returned from the across island with Anna Lucia where we saw visable romantic tension and flirting. Sawyer liking Anna, Anna liking Jack, Jack liking Kate, Kate liking Sawyer makes for a much more interesting scenario than Sawyer with Kate, Anna with Jack. This has been bugging me for a while.

#1. Posted by: Marr at January 19, 2006 11:26 AM

I love this show but it wins ,hands down,the bad wig award! We have seen bad rugs on Jack, during a flashback, and Boone, at Shannons fathers funeral, but that rug and beard on the "Other" was distractingly ridiculous!

#2. Posted by: debbie at January 19, 2006 11:29 AM

Mac...love the review...as always. First thing I read on Thursday mornings!

One thing bothered me....Why would Sawyer, Jack and Locke jet set off into the jungle that's full of monsters, polar bears, killer black smoke and a gang of others without the TRAINED IRAQI SOLDIER and the BIGGEST BADDEST PREIST on the island? I want more Sayid and Eko!!!

Did anyone think there was some sort of deflector shield when Sawyer tried to fire at Zeke?

I agree...the castaways have some leverage we (and they) don't know about yet, and the others are worried!

Where the hell is DESMOND? Is he coming back?

#3. Posted by: Kimberly at January 19, 2006 11:49 AM

Just wanted to thank you for these extensive reviews. They probably take a lot of time to do with getting the show information and dialogue down verbatum and linking information to past episodes. The commentary and musings in between are great. It gets me to watch the show again to pick up of things I missed.
I look forward to reading them the Thursday after each episode.
Thanks for taking the time.
Brian

#4. Posted by: Brian Legere at January 19, 2006 11:51 AM

Is it me or has Jack started to stink up the entire island. His back story was dull and nearly pointless, his wife left him for another guy whoohoo that was 3 seconds of good info, at best.

As for the present, he finally has a chance to TALK to the leader of the others and trumps Sawyer in the ass department. Talk, get some info from the guy, see what he wants and pick up any clues he might offer...but no, Jack has to be a jackass and choose confrontation.

Oh and the idea that the survivors might have superior numbers was idiotic, they were obviously in a massively inferior possition. There were three of them in a lit clearing verses AT LEAST 2 in the dark forest. He/we know there is at least one unseen other has a gun trained on them with impecible aim, from the warning shot on Sawyer. Even if he was the only other "Other" Jack Sawyer and Locke would be as good as dead if the conflict escalated.

After he gets his ego squashed, he blames Kate and then heads off to Ana to build an army. Brilliant, you know the others have a damn good source of info about you and your activities so you think you can train any army without them noticing? I think not!

I think it might be time to kill jack off (sweeps?) and let real leaders Ecko and Locke compete for the role.

#5. Posted by: mf416 at January 19, 2006 11:51 AM

I think "Zeke" tipped his hand a little when he was so desperate to get the guns. I think he knows that Jacks crew if properly motavated could put an end to his little totalitarian paradise. also look for Michael to join the other team. It may be the only way he can see Walt.

#6. Posted by: D. Shaw at January 19, 2006 11:54 AM

Jack's reaction to kissing Gabriela was almost exactly the same as Kate's reaction to kissing Jack. I really enjoyed this parallel.

I thought it was really stange that Eckol was nowhere to be seen in this episode; it was almost as if the tailies never arrived until A-L in the final scene.

Does anyone else think that the Geronimo Jackson album contains some sort of message that will be discovered in a later episode? It seems too coincidental that Charlie never heard of them.

By the way, this was another great review!

#7. Posted by: 108:00 at January 19, 2006 12:02 PM

See, I don't think that Sawyer was talking about Kate or Ana, or that he was even "Sawyer" at the time. Remember the whole "posessed by Wayne"(Kates real father whom she blew to Kingdom Come!) thing in the epi "What Kate Did"? Wasn't he "Wayne" for most of that episode, when he wasn't unconcious? I think we were meant to think that was "Wayne" talking through Sawyer, or we were supposed to realize that by the end of the epi.
I have to say that I'm knew to this site, only finding it last week, with a little help from my brother! Thanks Bro!! I love the comedic flair of the writer! You nail so many of the things I'm thinking! Reading the summary is a true pleasure!! Keep it up!

#8. Posted by: karen at January 19, 2006 12:06 PM

WOW!! what an amazing episode! and excellently put into words, I must say :).

#9. Posted by: GW at January 19, 2006 12:07 PM

I know this has been said before, but I had to offer HUGE thanks to the person/people who put together these reviews every Thursday. I personally don't consider my viewing over until I've read through the review the next day. Really great stuff, thanks. Keep up the good work!

#10. Posted by: KG at January 19, 2006 12:09 PM

Oh, and to follow up on Kimberly's previous post, I too thought that there was some sort of shield and that Sawyer's shot had deflected back toward him. If that's not the case, I may have a hard time believing that one of the Others was a good enough shot to give Sawyer a little warning wound to the neck.

Anyway, GREAT episode. Michael's vague rantings and Zeke's parable really did it for me.

#11. Posted by: KG at January 19, 2006 12:14 PM

How did Sawyer know the bearded-wonder's name was 'Zeke'? Did it come up during the boat adventure (I don't remember picking that up) or does Sawyer know Zeke from before the crash (in his ZZ Top years)? Also was it Mr. Beard that shot Sawyer? I thought it was someone else on the boat.

#12. Posted by: dsr at January 19, 2006 12:26 PM

"Zeke" is just another humorous nickname assigned by Sawyer.

#13. Posted by: KG at January 19, 2006 12:33 PM

hey, great review once again mac. this epi sure as hell kicked butt!!!

i also think that whoever jack's wife was seeing, we already know that person. sawyer was my first bet but who knows....

it was really surprising that jack, the "LEADER", would pull such a stunt as just running after Michael(will he ever stop crying about Walt!!!) without thinking over the whole thing. I think the whole Kate-Sawyer relationship has him really messed up. By the way, would somebody please tell me what he says to Kate when she asks for a gun. I taped the show and the damn sound cut off right then and i missed the rest of their exchange.

man, that last part where jack pulled off a bin-laden was really shocking!! can't wait to see where all that leads. but why would he not seek sayyid's help in building an army and go to ana-lucia(still can't stand her-hopefully she will go to prison for her drunk driving and we won't have to see her again).wouldn't an ex-military guy be better at building an army than an ex-LAPD cop? Any thoughts about that??

hey mac, how come no mention of sawyer's new nickname for locke? i thought that was hilarious. and who is zeke?!!

Way to go Hurley!! I do hope he ends up with someone DUDES!!

#14. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 19, 2006 12:38 PM

Re: "Zeke", I think that's just Sawyers penchance for assigning people those colorful names he's so good at! You know, "Mr. Clean", "Freckles" ect... He always has a colorful name for everyone, or a witty phrase to throw out there. I thought the Bearded Other looked enough like a "Zeke".
I love the dialouge the writers come up with for Sawyer! It's so like the way many of my southern relatives talk! I don't have the gift to come up with witty names for people, but I know plenty of guys back home who do! I always look forward to Sawyers comedic relief.

#15. Posted by: karen at January 19, 2006 12:40 PM

Love the recaps. Last night's episode was da bomb.

I'm of the impression that Mr. Beard was wearing some sort of breeches. Anyhow, his clothes looked very old. And let's think about where Beardie keeps his boat that he rides around kidnapping children with? That boat has got to be somewhere on the island.

It amazes me that there's 30 or so people from Oceanic Air's plane, and yet they never muster up the nerve to (a) find Walt, (b) look for Rousseau or Desmond, (c) kill each other a la Lord of The Flies. I mean, if you were planning on going out into the woods to potentially confront another group of armed folks, wouldn't you take more than just 3 people with you? Did these people never watch Star Trek? Shouldn't there be a disposable island extra every week who gets shot?

Of course, what's going to happen is that they'll ignore this big revelation for the next few weeks and focus on Charlie and Claire, or maybe even get Sayid back into the show. I mean, what happened to the fresh water grotto that everyone was supposed to say at? And the polar bear? And, if you were stranded on a deserted island, would you really shoot up your food supplies? Even if you hated ranch dressing THIS much?

The show with the huge gaps in logic that you love to watch. LOST. Now there's a clever marketing ploy.

#16. Posted by: Sam at January 19, 2006 12:44 PM

In response to mf416's comments regarding Jack's backstory being pointless, his backstory actually reveals Jack's true weakness: that he needs to always have something to fix and his conscience will not be able to deal with failure. Within all of Jack's backstories, it has been revealed that Jack needs to be the ONE to fix everything and everyone. He must do right. Since it has been suggested that these people are on the island to achieve REDEMPTION and fix past wrongs, Jack must be able to overcome the problem to always fix everything...to let fate occur and nature take its course.

Also, the writers would not kill Jack off. They were going to in the pilot episode, but were talked out of it. Now Jack is the shephard for the group (hence the last name) and seems to be the one (with the guidance of the fate-driven Locke) to help alleviate his own problems and the problems of the survivors.

P.S. Does anyone else see the connection between the actions on the island and the Chinese religion Confucianism? When looking at the concept of Ren, some connections can be made.

P.P.S.S. Great reviews! How late do you stay up dissecting this stuff? It's awesome!

#17. Posted by: The "Lost" Boys at January 19, 2006 12:45 PM

It's a little weird but mostly - totally - WAY COOL to be reading your reviews again, Mac.

Thanks! Stellar stuff, as always.

#18. Posted by: Walker at January 19, 2006 1:10 PM

In response to "lost" boys, I think we already knew that about Jack. We also knew he was a sucker for a pretty girl and he loses reason and is easily manipulated by them. Sara, the daughter, Kate, Ana. They reinforced that point this week, but again was it really new? I wonder if they were bringing this stuff up again because it will soon have great importance. Did anyone else notice how much they focused on the fact that the Beechcraft was Nigerian in the review episode, just before the Eko back story one aired?

Also, I think who lives and dies will have as much or more to do with contracts and real life then any long term plan by the writers. Land a role in Xmen3, get multiple DUI's or demand too much money and your characters life expectancy will drop suddenly. They could also kill him off for shock value because it is so unexpected etc. You never know :-)

#19. Posted by: mf416 at January 19, 2006 1:14 PM

Here's something to think about... Maybe Kate is the plant for 'The Others', it would truly make her character more interesting??

#20. Posted by: kalico at January 19, 2006 1:22 PM

did anyone see the dharma logo on the old guy in the hospital bed? I thought i saw something when the daughter bent down to fix the sheet and the camera zoomed down also. It looked like the dharma logo on the sheet or the old mans gown.?? This was before the surgery when Jack was in the hospital room checking the moniters.

#21. Posted by: stephanie at January 19, 2006 1:22 PM

Is it me or does Jack's attempts to find Michael (running in jungle screaming "MICHAEL!") mirror Michael's attempts to find Walt (running in jungle screaming "WALT!")?

Equally ineffective

#22. Posted by: Matt at January 19, 2006 1:28 PM

I'm still thinking about the 'Zeke' thing. I didn't think it was a Sawyer funny nick-name, as, well, it isn't funny (Mr. Clean on the other hand... very funny!).

So maybe Sawyer does know the BeardedOther from pre-crash days somehow?

Or am I missing some connection between the name 'Zeke' and a big bearded dude. Perhaps because the only Zeke I know is a bald dental hygienist.

#23. Posted by: dsr at January 19, 2006 1:39 PM

I agree with Kateplussun=Fun..

Why would Jack ask Ana Lucia how to train an army. Doesn't he remember the torture techniques possessed by SAYID? More Sayid PLEASE!!!!

And that comment by Sawyer about Mr. Clean..."All you're missing is the earring and the mop" has got to be one of the best one liners on the show to date! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

d.shaw...good theory...that would be really interesting if Michael joined The Others!


#24. Posted by: Kimberly at January 19, 2006 1:40 PM

Re: Zeke: My take was that Zeke is just a typical name for a country-bumpkin type. Also, if there was some sort of pre-crash connection between Sawyer and Zeke, I would have expected some sort of reaction of surprise and/or shock from Sawyer either during the raft incidenct or the forest incident. I really think this was just another one of Sawyer's nicknames for people.

#25. Posted by: KG at January 19, 2006 1:48 PM

i agree with KG that Zeke is just another one of sawyer's smartass nicknames. there is no way he would have known the bearded guys name and like KG said, if he did from the previous life he would have at least shown some sort of reaction, most probably one of his trademark smiles.

also as someone mentioned above, it was a woman who shot sawyer (if i remember correctly)on the boat so why did sawyer say that it was the bearded guy who shot him? maybe i am wrong, someone please correct me.

i am still waiting to know what exactly jack said to kate before they left looking for Michael. anybody know or have any ideas where i can find it please???

as for kate being a plant for the others...how does that fit in with her backstory?? for me thats a big no no.

#26. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 19, 2006 2:01 PM

yes, why would Jack ask Ana Lucia? I would love to see Sayid in action....

Great review

#27. Posted by: Amber at January 19, 2006 2:14 PM

I think I remember Jack saying to Kate "...someone has to be here to look after the hatch." I'll have to go back and look at the tape. He said "You're not going!", or something to that effect, several time also. So then she promptly goes to get Hurley to watch the hatch! I'll check for sure and post it later.

#28. Posted by: karen at January 19, 2006 2:35 PM

Thanks for that karen.

#29. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 19, 2006 3:07 PM

I hope they hurry up and kill off Kate, she's getting more and more annoying each episode.
Jack could go as well.
Focus more on Charlie, Hurley, Eko, Locke, and Sayid.
Jack, Kate, Ana Lucia, and Sawyer need a break.

#30. Posted by: TB at January 19, 2006 3:13 PM

When Sawyer fires the gun at Zeke are we even sure that one of the Others fires back. Someone suggested something about a force field and as I watched that part over again, Sawyer's shot sounds like a ricochet that hits Sawyer in the neck which might prove the force field theory. How could one of the Others have just grazed the neck of Sawyer in total darkness. Maybe the fear by the Others is that the Others don't have as many weapons? Just a thought.

#31. Posted by: Todd G at January 19, 2006 3:29 PM

did sawyer actually fire his weapon? i thought that he just raised his gun to fire but before he could one of the OTHERS shot at him.

#32. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 19, 2006 3:36 PM

thanks for the Thursday smiles, Mac. You said what I thought, about The Others being part of the original experiment. My husband thought maybe they were part of Rousseau's crew.

Mac and Kimberly, I agree it was a little crazy for Jack, Locke and Sawyer to run half-a$$ed into the jungle looking for Michael (oh, and, kate+sun=fun, if your child was kidnapped, would you be over it in a couple weeks?) without enlisting the help of some brute force.

I wonder what's up with Sayid's absence (is the actor taking a little R&R?). I understand the writers want to infer some sort of mourning period, but can't they do that on-camera? I thought it was odd that Sayid's only presence this week was going into the music room to comment on the song. And did he look like a zombie, or what? Poor Sayid....

I was excited when Jack said he wanted to train an army! YEA!! Let's kick some Other Butt! Again, though, Sayid's absence here was noticeable, imo. I guess the writers have to figure out a way to involve Ana-Lucia in the storyline, lol. BTW, I cannot freakin stand her. That smirk..... The actress does that in other movies too.

Karen, I agree...I think that Wayne was manifested in the sick Sawyer and that's who was saying "I love her." But it is kinda fun to see Jack so tormented.

Sam, .... LOL!!

#33. Posted by: silkyway at January 19, 2006 3:38 PM

This is for katePlusSun=Fun

You wanted to know exactly what Jack said to Kate:
Kate asks "You got a gun for me?" Jack responds" Your not coming!" Kate replies "excuse me?" Jack replies "Someone has to be here to take care of the button." Kate replies "Why should that person be me, I can track..." Jack interrupts "Your not coming, your staying, alright."

That's the dialogue!
Todd

#34. Posted by: Todd G at January 19, 2006 3:44 PM

Does anyone else find the lack of communication among the cast frustrating. Someone should have called a group meeting so they could all share what they know. Example why didn't Syiid blurt out to Michael that he saw Walt right before Shannon was killed. Why did Hurly let stand Charlie's assertion that he was lying about the lottery, or for that matter (speaking of the big guy) how about something like "The number I played to win a bazillion dollars is etched on the side of the hatch" Anyone else think thats strange? How about a town meeting. Good luck turning that chaos into an Army. Everyone is doing their own thing.

#35. Posted by: D Shaw at January 19, 2006 3:53 PM

thanks Todd. i hate to miss even a single dialogue so i was really antsy. thanks again.

and silkway, i don't mean michael should give up on Walt, it just bugs me that he wouldn't trust anyone else from his group. its like its their fault that walt was taken!!! sorry if i touched a raw nerve with that comment but michael screaming walt and running around the jungle doesn't really make for an intriguing show.

#36. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 19, 2006 4:01 PM

I was actually waiting for something like last night's 'rashness' from Jack or someone - I think he's just tired of their group always being on the defensive, it's time to start up like a small resistense and take to the others - I'm thinking that the others are trying to hide something from the lostees, maybe something to do with the button? What if pressing the button is actually a bad thing? Maybe there's someone on the Island who really knows the purpose of the button??? just my two cents. Thanx

#37. Posted by: Sgt. Stacker at January 19, 2006 4:05 PM

I noticed zeke had a Luger pistol. Very old gun based from WWII used by the german army.

#38. Posted by: ken at January 19, 2006 4:21 PM

Leslie Nielson is Alvar Hanso...

#39. Posted by: thinng at January 19, 2006 4:38 PM

... and the crowd goes wild

#40. Posted by: thinng at January 19, 2006 4:41 PM

My gut tells me that Sawyer knew Zeke's name and that it's not one of his jokey nicknames--although I have no idea how he'd know it. I just remembered that Zeke is a nickname for Ezekiel--another biblical name. I don't know the Bible so well, but I know that Ezekiel was a priest and a prophet. He was exiled from Jerusalem with the Jews and this is how he felt about it: (from Wikipedia.com)

Nonetheless, Ezekiel holds that God is not betraying his people [for exiling them out of Jerusalem]. He asserts that God was compelled to do this because of the sins of the people. Nevertheless, there is no reason to despair for God does not desire the death of the sinner, but his reformation. The Lord will remain the God of Israel, and Israel will remain his people. As soon as Israel recognizes the sovereignty of the Lord and acts accordingly, God will restore the people, in order that they may fulfill their eternal mission and that He may truly dwell in the midst of them. This, however, can not be accomplished until every individual reforms and makes the will of the Lord his law.


That last line seems to fit the theory of characters looking for redemption on the island. Maybe Zeke and the Others have already made peace with their pasts? Has Michael joined them because he risked his life to save Walt and has redeemed his earlier wimpiness in relation to his ex-wife?

just a thought.

#41. Posted by: mamazinnia at January 19, 2006 5:13 PM

As always - great review, mac :)

@Marr: I was also thinking about this - perhaps Sawyer actually didn't mean Kate when he said "I love her". Although I first didn't assume it was Ana-Lucia he was talking about, but your argument make sense - nevertheless it could also be a person from a backstory we don't know yet (Jack's wife?).

Another speculation: wouldn't it be possible that the OTHERS in fact ARE fewer people than the plane crash survivors and Jack was right with his speculation? We only saw two OTHERS in the clearing (Zeke and Alex), we heard one guy shooting, we saw a couple of torches which could be triggered mechanically and we saw three OTHERS on the boat last season if I remember right. Maybe this group of OTHERS is just technically superior and the whole event in the clearing was just perfectly staged for intimidation (the OTHERS even seem to have a deflector shield ;).

One more thing: at the end of the last season, Jack said to Kate that they would have a "Locke"-problem in the future. Maybe we'll get a Jack problem, instead. Again, this could be a conflict about men of faith (Locke, Eko) and "men" of science (Jack, Ana-Lucia).

#42. Posted by: Margot at January 19, 2006 5:24 PM

At first I was wondering why Jack would not go to Sayid for the whole raising of the army, but in terms of Jack's psyche to save the day and the girl as well as the plot of the episode, it makes sense for Jack to go to his new girl du jour in Ana Lucia.

Why are people so hard pressed to kill off the characters that made this show what it is? It is our attachment to the original survivors that made this show the phenomenon that it is. Ya, it may get tiresome having things VERIFIED like Jack's need to fix everything, but everything that happens in the backstories and the growth of the individuals on the island are all connected. They may seem irrelevant at first viewing, but in the end it comes together. Watching season 1 on DVD shows how relatable all of this so-called useless information can be.

The backstories are relevent for verification and understanding of the character's psyche and why he/she acts in a particular manner. There would not be that much happening if it was a show made entirely of Locke. Although he is a fascinating character, his role on the island is more of a guardian rather than a person that makes things happen. If things aren't happening, there's not much of a show left to watch. The show needs ying yang to evolve and play itself out.

#43. Posted by: The "LOST" boys at January 19, 2006 5:24 PM

Oh, I sooo hope that we get to hear a bit of "Geronimo Jackson" and as the needle hits the vinyl we hear the chorus from the ORIGINAL version of "You All Everybody" and find that whoever wrote the song for Driveshaft is guilty of plagarism.

Driveshaft rules!

#44. Posted by: t-code-j at January 19, 2006 5:28 PM

Locke's interest in Sawyer's real name got me thinking. Sawyer is looking for a con-man who he believes is responsible for his father killing his mother and then himself. And, Locke's dad was a con-man. Maybe Locke's dad is the con-man that Sawyer is looking for.

#45. Posted by: Super-Sarge at January 19, 2006 5:28 PM

Anyone notice Jack's arms in the flashbacks- sans tattoos? Looks like someone had a little breakdown/spiritual search after splitsville and got some ink done. (Check the bedroom scene when he comes home late from work). Zeke's beard looked like cottonballs stuck on with elmer's glue.

#46. Posted by: ajudicator at January 19, 2006 5:34 PM

First of all i just wanna say that in the last episode when the show ends with jack saying to ana lucia "how long do you think it would take to train an army?" well what the heck is he thinking of doing! is he thinking of training an army from the people on the island to try to fight the "others"! well the only 2 people capable of fighting in a war would be, jack and kate because well soyer is already wounded, ana lucia proboly would not want to kill anybody else(looking back to the last time she shot a gun and what happened), clair has to take care of aaron, syiid is still recooperating from shannons death, charlie is proboly using again so he wont be in the right frame of mind, and who knows about everyone else!!! but to me it looks like it will take a lot more people to win a war other than just jack and kate! and maybe it will only be jack in the war against the others because who knows because jack has been so controlling over kate lately that he may not LET her make her own desician to fight in the war against the others! i dont know anymore but that is just my opinion!

#47. Posted by: Sammy at January 19, 2006 6:05 PM

Maybe there was a forcefield and Zeke (why didn't he just call him Billy Joe Jim Bob) was standing behind it. It looked like Sawyers bullet bounced of it. And Zeke said: "We got a misunderstanding, Jack," the Other growls. "Your people. My people. So listen carefully. Right here [points down] there's a line. You cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to ... something else. Now give me your weapons. Turn around. Go home."

Maybe 'the line' is some sort of forcefield.

And maybe this is all another holodeck simulation.

#48. Posted by: SnakeJake at January 19, 2006 6:12 PM

dsr - I believe that Sawyer knows "Zeke" too ...there was just such conviction (to me it seemed like that) in his voice when he said it..."you and me ain't done yet, Zeke" I thought alluded to something else as well...am I incorrect, or is it true that the guy Sawyer killed in Sydney was indeed NOT the guy he was supposed to kill?? What if Zeke is? And of course Sawyer is not going to totally let on to the fact that he knows this guy in front of his fellow island mates because he has finally found the one person he so desperately needs to for his revenge....he lost him once, right??? Yeah, that may be far fetched, but, hey, isn't it just as far fetched to find your dead brother's body inside the wreckage of an ancient Beechcraft that somehow managed to crash on the same exact remote island in the South Pacific after experiencing your very own plane crash?????

Ken - about the Luger pistol...wasn't the knife that Ana Lucia took from Goodwin also issued by the military during WWII? I think I remember that from another forum...

I thought that Sawyer shot first too, but someone at work today swore he didn't...anyone know if this is true??? I thought his shot ricocheted and hit him too...

A few other things I noted:

-Maybe Micheal did read an entire message from "Walt" last week who pointed him North...maybe it was the mole throwing Michael off on purpose...why else would The Beard say that Michael will never find them?
-Combo on the door to the gun room = 25,29,40...hey, we all know how important numbers are...not sure what it could mean, if anything....
-Did anyone else notice that Jin seemed to comprehend the English that Hurley spoke? In the first exchange between Sun and Jin when they spoke in Korean, I don't believe Sun actually told Jin that Michael left and they went to find him...I thought it was Hurley who said this to Sun in English...Jin suddenly says, in Koren, "I am going with them" as though he has understood what Sun and Hurley said to each other in English...am I incorrect???

By far my favorite line of the whole show, Sawyer's answer to Locke's "Isn't this the trail you took on the way back" question:

"Yeah, that's my favorite leaf..."

He definitely provided some comic relief last night...

#49. Posted by: Vikki at January 19, 2006 6:19 PM

When Zeke asked Jack about how long he thought they were on the island, was it just me or was there more meaning to the question. Jack says it has been 50 days.

Zeke smiles and goes on his rant about invading his island.

My question is, have they really been there 50 days or has it been longer around the world. The driveshaft website talks like Charlie has been gone for more than a year. Maybe time has slowed on the island due to the immense electromagnetic field. So that 50 days on the island equals 2 years in the real world.

#50. Posted by: Theoldred at January 19, 2006 6:27 PM

Zeke is a Sawyer's nickname for a farmer wearing overalls, like Zeke in the "Wizard of OZ"

That's all!

But I do like the biblical reference!
Sawyer just likes to nickname people. He's done it to almost every character has has a relationship with!

#51. Posted by: mommyloveslost at January 19, 2006 6:49 PM

The Bearded Other acted like Jack, et al. wanted to be on that island. Like they want to be there?!!!

#52. Posted by: Connie at January 19, 2006 7:09 PM

With everyone mentioning the possible "force-field" around Zeke, I wonder if anyone with TiVO can do a frame-by-frame and tell us once and for all if the bullet did indeed ricochet off an invisible field? Thanks!!

#53. Posted by: Christina at January 19, 2006 7:40 PM

Alright heres what I think: If u recall in the 2-part exodus episodes, there was the pirate ship on the black rock. Now i came to a conclusion that the Others are descendants of those pirates.Also, the Geronimo Jackson looked like it had a jungle on it. And finally, I believe that the island draws people that have done pretty bad things in their lives to the island so they can admit that they have done stuff wrong.

#54. Posted by: murphdogg at January 19, 2006 7:50 PM

Cut from the Driveshaft website. Note the dollar amounts correspond to the computer key code.

In December, 2004, a jury held Oceanic Airlines, L.L.P. criminally negligent and found in favor of the plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit filed against the airline on behalf of the victims of the crash and their families. The award set a staggering precedent for corporate liability - to the tune of $4,815,162,342 (yes, that's over four BILLION and a most unusual number). The rationale for such a high amount is due in no small part to the efforts of council retained by Sabrina Carlyle, CEO of Carlyle Weddings, Inc. Her son, Boone, (COO of Carlyle) and step-daughter Shannon Rutherford were among those lost on the flight.

#55. Posted by: TeamDuh at January 19, 2006 7:50 PM

I also think the Others have made a proposition with Michael. Michael becomes one of the Others so he can be with Walt again.

#56. Posted by: murphdogg at January 19, 2006 7:54 PM


Really funny Lost parody:

http://lostlinks.net/

Go to this web site and click on Jimmy Kimmel's "Lost: the Musical" under Videos.

#57. Posted by: Christina at January 19, 2006 7:56 PM

oh my god you are right TeamDuh. Thats insane. WHOA.

#58. Posted by: murphdog at January 19, 2006 8:06 PM

Oh yeah and also. Any of you guys remember that oe episode when Mr.Eko told Locke that there was "another place just like this on the other side of the island."

P.S. TeamDuh where did u get tha info, and what is the driveshaft website?

#59. Posted by: murphdog at January 19, 2006 8:14 PM

I want to know 5 things. 1.How in the HELL did the bullet ricochet off and hit Sawyer? (unless there was that force field you guys are all talking about.) 2.What Michael meant by "the computers not what you think it is." 3. WHEN THE HELL THE MONSTER IS GONNA MAKE HIS NEXT FRIGGIN APPEARANCE. 4. Where is Walt; why does he have that secret power. You know when that one episode he was reading that bird book and he was screming at that guy "You're not looking!" and all of a sudden that bird crashes into the window;he was reading that spanish comic book with a polar bear in it and then out of the blue a polar bear appears and attacks Walt,Locke, and Michael. And 5. Is Zeke the REAL name of the bearded redneck dude, or is it just another one of Sawyer's wierd names.

#60. Posted by: murphdogg at January 19, 2006 8:27 PM

There were two episodes last night (23 Psalms and Hunting Party). I believe it was at the begining of Hunting Party, but not sure. Michael got back on the computer and asked where are you? The very last line/last response from Walt was "You most come to the..." (camera pulled away as Jack aproached). Dang right Michael knew where he was going!

Did you see it?

#61. Posted by: Brian at January 19, 2006 8:57 PM

I've been wondering about whatever happened to Desmond. He seemed like he was going somewhere, like he knew an exit off the island.

#62. Posted by: John-Ster at January 19, 2006 8:58 PM

So are they all coma patients wired together to keep 'em alive? Is the Dharma Project a virtual world that keeps their brains engaged? It could explain the astounding coincidences...

#63. Posted by: mr ed at January 19, 2006 8:59 PM

Yeah - what was Walt's last text response?

#64. Posted by: Mr Clean at January 19, 2006 9:03 PM

remember that when zeke was about to shoot kate, sawyer chimes in with "if you touch one hair on her head...." before he backed down to the crazy old man. i just thought that was interesting - maybe he does have feelings for her...

#65. Posted by: steph at January 19, 2006 9:27 PM

Seems like there was something more to Sawyer calling Bearded Guy "Zeke"... the guy seemed unsettled by it, or he at least got a strange expression on his face.

I was wondering if perhaps the Others and the Dharma project were unrelated, but I suppose on Lost *everything* is related...

Does anyone know if there is a good analysis of B.F. Skinner's "Walden 2" utopian philosophy or his ideas on Behaviorism in relation to Lost anywhere online? They mention that the Dharma project creators were grad students who were sort of "following" in Skinner's tradition.

This is the basic snippet from Wikipedia on Skinner's work: "He conducted pioneering work on experimental psychology and advocated behaviorism, which seeks to understand behavior as a function of environmental histories of reinforcement. He also wrote a number of controversial works in which he proposed the widespread use of psychological behavior modification techniques (primarily operant conditioning) in order to improve society and increase human happiness."

It seems if you look at certain events on the island, in terms of cause-and-effect and positive / negative reinforcement, there might be something to it... I only recently really got into the show, and I'm catching up on the first Season DVDs, so sorry if I'm covering well trod ground.

BH
(also, as a grad student, I wish I had a patron like Hanso to fund my work!)

#66. Posted by: Biohazard at January 19, 2006 10:11 PM

Reminder: If you miss some dialog or want to search for something someone said, the transcripts of all the past episodes can be found at Losthatch.com (just go to that site and click on "search transcripts"). They haven't gotten yesterday's episode yet, but they do have last weeks's and everything before that (including season 1).

I selected all previous episodes (by holding the shift key and selecting "from" and "to" episodes) and searched on the keyword "Zeke". It returned nothing, meaning that word has not be said in any of the previous episodes, so Sawyer did not hear it from someone else.

#67. Posted by: Ardie at January 19, 2006 10:30 PM

This is the coolest website on the internet. I love to come here and read all the stuff that most people miss and tell it to all the people at work, they think im some kind of genius. but i just wanted to point out a couple things.
1. someone stated earlier that there might only be 3 others. i really don't think so since there was enough to take like 9 people away from the camp the first night. if im correct there were 4 people on the boat, Zeke, 2 men and the female driver.
2. Jack says to Ana something about killing ONE of them... but she killed 2, goodwin and the one with the list. Eko also killed 2 of them.
3. Some people are saying that the others have come from the dharma group but one of my managers thinks they might be from the ?Black Rock? slave ship. im very interested in where they came from. How old could that slave ship be? they did have dynamite. i don't really know how long that has been around. but Zeke did have a gun that looks like the ones used by Germans in WWII, like someone previously stated. but he also quoted hanso and some people think he might have had something to do with them, but maybe he just heard that quote on one of the films, im sure there are more of them
4. And i am going to go back and watch it again but i don't remember Sawyer shooting at Zeke, so i don't know where all of this forcefield stuff comes from.
5. And it is possible for the plane from nigeria to land and refuel. but that plane landed somewhere in the pacific, i believe east of australia, not much out that way, and i don't think that plane can make it across the pacific.

sorry for bringing up stuff that isn't really all connected but this is my first post, and all of these things were bothering me

#68. Posted by: itsellis at January 19, 2006 10:44 PM

My new theory. The Swan site was being used to study the strange electromagentic energy from that part of the island. They tried to harness it. Something went terribly wrong! The "incident" was that the electromagentic forces went out of control - strong enough to pull a PLANE off course and even pull it to the island! Since the equipment is now malfunctioning and the incident has caused the lab function of the bunker to stop, they must hit the code every 108 minutes to keep it from happening. This would explain both the ripping apart of the Oceanic flight and the beechcraft making it so far out of their normal range. Yes, those are two times that someone didn't hit EXECUTE in time. (C'mon were all human, the training film was made in 1980 about the code. Do you think after 25 years nobdy has goofed at least once?)

When the force pulls "unwelcomed" air passengers
The Others (dharma scientists) have to figure out what to do with this contamination to their "utopian experiment". They take the young from the group because they are innocent AND will not corrupt their sociological experiment because they can be trained (brain washed, whatever). Its clear that Zeke is a Dharma employee or at least knows them. What do you think?

#69. Posted by: jake3841 at January 20, 2006 12:00 AM

i think that zeke was a sawyer nick name too. i thought force field too, come on someone with tivo fill us in!

#70. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at January 20, 2006 12:05 AM

Why did Jack ask Ana Lucia instead of Sayid? Easy. "Sayid, will you help me start an army?" "Jack, you're crazy. No way. And I will tell all the others that you're crazy."
"Ana Lucia, will you help me start an army?" "OK."
I'm sure Jack also thinks that an LA cop is more trustworthy in warmaking than an Iraqi soldier. Let's remember, Jack is an American despite their comradery.

#71. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at January 20, 2006 12:20 AM

Great episode! Army? I'm so scared! I have a question! where are the key ponits from the pilot 1+2????

#72. Posted by: Schelm at January 20, 2006 1:48 AM

What is up with Oceanic Airlines ? It is also the airline in the movie "Executive Decision" and I have heard it was used in other movies...

Why did jack's IQ suddenly drop when confronted by "the others". ( Actually i think it has been deteriorating since Kate kissed him ) since The questions he would really be asking Zeke are , How the hell do we get off this Island ? And can you point the way ?

..oh and we'd like walt and michael back

#73. Posted by: thinng at January 20, 2006 4:14 AM

After watching the confrontation scene again, I think there is a distinct ricochet sound between when Sawyer raises his gun and when he gets hit in the neck. I'm definitely leaning towards the theory that there was some sort of shield between Sawyer and Zeke. I don't think that the "there is a line RIGHT HERE" was a random comment. And if you're having a hard time believing this theory, stranger things have happened on this island!

#74. Posted by: KG at January 20, 2006 8:53 AM

Thanks, kateplusfun+sum. When you asked, "Will he ever stop crying about Walt?", I perceived that to mean he should get over it already. I was thinking that the reason Michael didn't want any of his comrades to go with him was because "Walt" told him to come alone.

Also, another wacky theory that popped into my head in the shower this morning..... what if pushing the button every 108 minutes has something to do with the black-smoke creature? Keeps it alive somehow. Both times we saw the creature (when it tried to drag Locke underground, and last week when it confronted Eko), it went back underground. Something to think about...

#75. Posted by: silkyway at January 20, 2006 9:41 AM

All right. I've gotta rant.
I've tried to read past them but there are too may posts to ignore.

1) Michael has NOT become one of the others. Zeke said 'He will not find us.'

2) As for 'Zeke' being someone from someones past (ie: Sawyer, jacks wife, etc) we already know that this can't be because they've been on the island for 15 YEARS (ala Danielle).

3) A shield? A forcefield? Bla bla bla. Give me a break. Sawyer didn't shoot his freakin gun already! Jack even confirmed that when he made reference to an 'other' being the shooter

No offense to anyone but has this blog been taken over by juveniles? Please stop reposting the same thing over and over.

Now that I've got that off my chest I feel much better.
Thank you for the therapy :-)

#76. Posted by: RD at January 20, 2006 10:06 AM

In response to RD:
1) I agree that Micheal has not become an Other.
2) I agree that there is no reason to believe Sawyer knows Zeke.
3) More than one person had the initial reaction that the bullet ricocheted back toward Sawyer. If you think it's juvenile for people to discuss different theories on this blog, feel free to set up your own blog where only people who share your opinion may post. In the meantime, I think this blog is a wonderful place for discussion. No need to bring insults onto this otherwise fantastic site.

#77. Posted by: KG at January 20, 2006 10:13 AM

To KG, I don't think that "There's a line right here" was a random comment either, but I took it to reffer to Jacks backstory when his father was warning him about getting too close to the daughter of his patient. His father said "There's a line" and then Jack throws it up to him that "He should know!", and Dad says "It's okay for some people (to cross), but not you." Implying that some people can handel the guilt of crossing "the line", but that Jack could never live with it. Then Jack has another "line" desicion to make when Kate is taken hostage; back off or live with the guilt of getting Kate killed.
Now, thats not to say that the writers don't have a much more interesting and elaborate meaning for "There's a line Right Here." We all know how they operate!!
It's either too simplistic, or too far fetchetd! Figuring out which one it is, well, that's the fun of the whole show, is'nt it?

#78. Posted by: karen at January 20, 2006 10:25 AM

Ah, excellent point Karen. I hadn't made the connection between Dad's "there's a line" and Zeke's "there's a line."

I think all this discussion shows that this episode has really kicked Season 2 into high gear. Best show on network TV since Twin Peaks, if you ask me!

#79. Posted by: KG at January 20, 2006 10:28 AM

To answer an oft-asked question: Unfortunately, there are no key points for the Pilot episodes (1 & 2). I didn't start writing these buggers until the third episode. Sorry about that!

#80. Posted by: mac at January 20, 2006 10:44 AM

I agree KG! I just love the way the story unfolds a little at a time! It's like getting to know someone new... it doesn't happen all at once. You get to know someone in small peices, over a period of time. We get to know each of the characters and the nature of the show in that same way. It rocks as captivating television!!

#81. Posted by: karen at January 20, 2006 11:23 AM

About the Zeke thing, I did catch the look the Bearded Other gave Sawyer when he said that, but I didn't think it was because of the name...I took it as a perceived threat, and perhaps even surprise on the part of Zeke that Sawyer wasn't afraid of him. Just a thought...

#82. Posted by: silkyway at January 20, 2006 11:52 AM

A few comments:

- Great reviews Mac, the very best on the net. Not just informative, but extremely entertaining as well.

- I can't believe the conjecture Sawyer's 'Zeke' nickname created. Zeke = disrespectful name for bearded country-bumpkin looking dude. That's it! It really is just a nickname Sawyer made up on the spot as an insult. That's what Sawyer does, and I thought it was hilarious. I even recall 'Zeke' half chuckling about it...or maybe his reaction was from Sawyer's assertion that "We ain't done yet", or maybe a combo of both.

- I loved the twist Locke threw at Sawyer by asking "Why did you choose that name?" after Sawyer called him Mr. Clean (which was also hilarious). Such great dialog...kudos to the writers.

- I figured Eko wouldn't be in this episode since last week was all Eko-centric, but I think the writers need to work a little harder at incorporating all of the characters into each show. I realize there are now so many characters to have write for that it's probably difficult to get them all into a single episode effectively. But I think, for example, that giving Sayid 5 seconds of air time this week was awkward and even unnecessary.

- I think 'Zeke' saying that Walt was a special boy was directly referencing Walt's psychic (or whatever you want to call them) tendencies.

- I think all 3 characters blew it at the Other discussion. As was sort of previously mentioned, here's what Jack/Sawyer/Locke should've said: "Hey scruffy jackass, in case you forgot- we were in a plane crash, are not here by choice, and have no desire to stay on 'your' island! So how about lending us your little motor boat and we'll be out of your hair in a jiffy!" Seems like they also should have tried to prolong the conversation and get as much info out of 'Zeke' as they could. Ah, but I'm forgetting- it's a TV show! With writers! And I'm sure they have good reasons for what was said/not said.

- I really hope this show eventually leads to some solid answers/conclusions. Whether it lasts 2 mor e years or 10 more, I hope all of the loose ends and connections are tied up or explained. We'll all feel robbed if not! Sometimes I wish that the writers knew exactly how much longer the show was going to last so they could gear their writing toward the necessary conclusions in a certain amount of time. Then again, I never want it to end either!

#83. Posted by: JoePike at January 20, 2006 12:22 PM

The Others are Geronimo Jackson. They sought at an island where they could make their music without record company pressures or soap. When Hanso started his little project he didn't know they were already on the Island. This intrusion pissed them off and they decided to grow beards and seek revenge on anyone sent for the project. They like to take kids because they're looking for a new, fresh sound. Walt's a virtuoso on keyboard.

#84. Posted by: AJ at January 20, 2006 12:53 PM

Regarding the possibility of Sawyer shooting at The Others and a force field returning the bullet... according to the official recap on ABC's website:

"And when Sawyer makes a move forward, the man shows them just how serious he is, grazing Sawyer's ear with a bullet."

(source: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/211.html)

So, it looks like The Others simply fired at Sawyer and that Sawyer did not shot at all.

~~~~

As for the "Zeke" name... I love theories like everyone else, but this is a simple Sawyer nickname. Sure, he knows "Zeke" since he ran into him on the boat when they took Walt and Sawyer ended up with a bullet in his shoulder.

Marty.

#85. Posted by: Marty at January 20, 2006 12:53 PM

About Micheal becoming one of the others... i really hope not and don't think so but... a friend just told me to check out TV.com and they have the next few eppisode titles there and a couple eppisodes away is one titled... One of them... which could have something to do with Micheal becoming one of them. maybe im reading too much into it but there is also an eppisode called maturnity leave, which means this baby might play an important role

#86. Posted by: itsellis at January 20, 2006 12:55 PM

Regarding the force field question ...

I ran through my Tivoed recording of the show last night (me = big geek) and I gathered the following information:

1. As far as I can tell, Sawyer didn't fire the gun (there was no muzzle blast, even in frame-by-frame).

2. The bullet that grazed Sawyer came from Sawyer's right (Zeke's left). Zeke didn't shoot.

3. I think the ricochet theory got ratcheted up because the gunshot *sounds* like a ricochet.

4. I could be completely wrong about all of this, so take it with a a grain of salt.

And finally, if the Others turn out to be 70s supergroup Geronimo Jackson, AJ is gonna get mad props in a future review ;) (Awesome theory -- it cracked me up)

-- mac

#87. Posted by: mac at January 20, 2006 12:59 PM

Anybody think of connecting the ghostly visions of walt and talking backwards to the new Geronimo records? I would love it if Charlie would just play those Geronimo Jackson records backwards? The music sucks might be a sign that, if you play it backwards there might be a message, just like when you play Walt's msg's backwards from earlier episodes.

BTW love the site, just got onto it this week

#88. Posted by: jetzzz at January 20, 2006 1:14 PM

Does anyone else feel like the character of Claire has been seriously shafted since she returned from her debacle with Ethan?

Judging by the previews, next weeks episode might be a Claire backstory, a thought that makes me very happy.

Not only does the actress have quite a bit of post-pregnancy hotness, but she is the only season one charcter that has only had one episode devoted to her backstory. (I've been keeping a tally). Just to point out a few Claire bits to refresh everyones memory:

- Claire's first episode ("Raised by Another") was one of the first in the series to touch on the psychic theme of the show (she went to a medium to get advice about raising her child).

- Claire's backstory touches on the the notion that there are people in the outside world that knew the survivors would end up on the island (the other main example is the whole Jack and Desmond dynamic).

- There are still several unanswered questions about Claire's relationship with her parents (who disowned her) and her boyfriend (who left her while turnip-head was still inutero).

- Claire is the ONLY character who has had a long term encounter with the others and lived to see another day. How did she escape? Where did they take her? She has amnesia but all we need is a moment of clarity on her part and all our "others" questions will be answered.

- Last seasons finale hinted on a fight between Claire and Rousseau during the time in which Claire was abducted (she was wearing the same clothes). Why was Rousseau there? Was Ethan really and other???

- THE OTHERS SEEM TO TAKE INTEREST IN CHILDREN!!!
Who do we know that has a child on the island???

GO CLAIRE, GO!!! YOU ARE THE KEY TO LOST!!!!

#89. Posted by: ekonono at January 20, 2006 1:32 PM

I agree, it's about time to go forward with the Claire story. Raised By Another gave us two of my favorite LOST scenes ever: the scene where we realize that the fortune teller appears to know the future fate of Flight 815, and the scene with Locke sitting at the table in the jungle ("everyone pays the price now" and the knife sounds when he flips the card - too cool for words!!!).

#90. Posted by: KG at January 20, 2006 1:44 PM

yea, i'd like to see more on Claire too. I am glad she kicked Charlie out; she was starting to become a bit too whiny. I'd like to see the writer play to some of her strengths...

also, i'm still annoyed at the writers for ignoring Sayid, as a few of us have mentioned... what is up with that...

#91. Posted by: silkyway at January 20, 2006 2:45 PM

I'll tell you what I think about Jack's "army": According to the writers, all of the castaways were stranded there for a reason. In essence, they were sent there. At first we thought that maybe the Others caused them to crash there to help them rebuild some post-apocalyptic society or whatever (and they're building their own army from scratch, hence their interest in children). But, now I think that the losties were sent there not to join the others, but to detroy them. Dharma Initiative sent them there unknowingly because they're all good in different ways and Alvar Hanso knew they would band together and take down the "experiments gone awry", aka Others.
The "incident" described in the orientation film was probably some of the Others using the computer to communicate with each other and organize a revolt against the program. That's why communication is forbidden. Now, Dharma has sent a bunch of diamonds in the rough to take 'em down! Dharma is the good guys! Who agrees with me here?

#92. Posted by: Trinity at January 20, 2006 3:02 PM

top episode

one thing i dont understand is why jack went to ana lucia, surely said is the man when it comes to war and training an army, what the hell does ana lucia know about war

really interesting to see the old man with a bunch of others wanting to talk instead of kill, somethings going down there. also where the hell is micheal

#93. Posted by: ismail at January 20, 2006 3:59 PM

The more I read, the more I think the Others are directly linked to the Dharma project. One of Skinner's ideas about a "utopian society" involved children being raised not by their family units but by the community, using the techniques of behaviorism (positive/negative reinforcement and the like). It would explain why the Others have such a penchant for kidnapping children.

I think people may be right about the Other's fear of the castaways. There may be a handful of them, but they've been getting picked off in one-on-one encounters. The encounter in the dark of night gave them the cloak of darkness to hide their true numbers, and they were very concerned with confiscating the weapons. I thought Zeke's gun looked pretty old, good catch on the Luger identification...

More ideas when they come...
BH

#94. Posted by: Biohazard at January 20, 2006 4:25 PM

Trinity.....I like the way you think! It's plausible...definitely plausible.

#95. Posted by: silkyway at January 20, 2006 4:26 PM

Man, excellent analysis!

#96. Posted by: Brian at January 20, 2006 4:56 PM

Did anyone else notice the last two actors listed in the credits that roll in the beggining are Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros? I have a feeling that their drunk driving in real life will be affecting their character' status real soon... Ana Lucia killed "at war" and maybe Libby crushed by Hurley during a late night rendevous?

#97. Posted by: Eric at January 20, 2006 5:55 PM

I think that there are 6 groups of people on the island. Because the Losties are at station 3 of 6. Now the Others are at another station. So there must be 4 more groups of people.

#98. Posted by: murphdog at January 20, 2006 6:11 PM

OK, heres my opinions on the force field.

1.) Yes there was a force field.
2.) One of the Others shot Sawyer.
3.) The Electromagnetic force pulled the bullet back at sawyer.

#99. Posted by: murphdogg at January 20, 2006 6:32 PM

I guess that could be possible, but there would be 3 more groups of people because the "tailies" took over another of the stations way back when. And then the story line would carry on forever and ever. It would be rediculous. So i don't think so.
-Ross

#100. Posted by: RM at January 20, 2006 6:34 PM

ekonono,

Following up on your great pro-Claire post, regarding last season's finale, Claire realized that she had scratched Rousseau's arm... I don't think that she scratched Rousseau's arm during the abduction; but rather, that Rousseau helped Claire escape from The Others and it was during this time that she scratched her arm. The reason? Rousseau wanted Claire's baby so that she could attempt to make a trade with The Others for her kid, Alex. So, I think that Rousseau helped Claire get away from The Others so that Claire would give birth; and then afterwards, kidnap the kid for the trade attempt (which she later did).

Eric, as for the two DUI sisters being listed last in the actor names... the actor's name are simply listed alphabetically.

Marty.

#101. Posted by: Marty at January 20, 2006 8:10 PM

hey Eric, loved the Hurley crushing Libby comment. that was hilarious man.
i do hope they get rid of ana-lucia but keeping libby would be fun. hurley is one of my favorite characters and it would be nice to see him more often. i also agree that he should reveal his secret about those numbers.
as for the force field, sawyer did NOT shoot so... end of that discussion!!
keep up with the awesome/wacky theories guys. i love reading this blog, it makes lost so much more interesting.

#102. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 20, 2006 8:26 PM

forgot to mention, i don't think that sayid being an iraqi had anything to do with jack not asking him about training an army. that was such a sawyer-of-old comment. i agree more with PiecesofArzt about sayid's reaction being not what jack would want.

#103. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 20, 2006 8:29 PM

think about this? maybe the others are the losties aged? so they are taking the children to raise them differently to change their [the others] present. Zeke maybe Jack aged..... or even Aaron aged.

#104. Posted by: teresa at January 20, 2006 8:49 PM

Wow, i like that idea teresa!!! would make it really interesting.

#105. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 20, 2006 9:38 PM

cool idea, Teresa. maybe Zeke is *Sawyer* aged, and when Sawyer said, "we ain't done yet", Zeke chuckled, thinking, "you have no idea...." :)

#106. Posted by: silkyway at January 20, 2006 10:16 PM

I too noticed the absence of Jack's tattoo in the flashback. Has there ever been anything posted about the significance of the design? I know there are characters that appear to be in Chinese, an obvious number five and a sort of Lego-type, broken-up pyramid shape. Anyone have that figured out? We know by now that there is no way the writers would throw some random design in there and even Kate commented on how the tattoo did not seem to mesh with his image. Any theories?

#107. Posted by: Sara at January 20, 2006 11:36 PM

Well, I remember from the S1 DVDs that the tattoos are the actual tattoos of Matthew Fox. The writers left them in unexplained up till now, no doubt thinking they'd make for a good story at some point. Looks like we're getting closer to seeing that point in Jack's backstory now.

#108. Posted by: Bret at January 21, 2006 1:06 AM

The meaning of the numbers is.......

You're all thinking in lines...:The way out from Babylon" not only in lines, but linear activity, move the lines, form a triangle and then the rectangle...after 360 deg. you'll find the last number CIRCLED inside following the Fibonacci method. De-code that number and turn it into letters(IMPORTANT:american alphabet=26 letters) the word will be simple and very understandable for anyone who has seen the series.
Completing the next number, using 4 8 15 16 23 42 following the method I described and then using Fibonacci,results in nukbers turned into letters.It reads

"The Hatch Enables You To The New World".

#109. Posted by: murphdogg at January 21, 2006 1:35 AM

I think Jack asked Anna Lucia about the "army" instead of Sayid because he's always looking for something to fix. Anna's bummed and reclusive and she obviously gets off on being the hard-headed leader. So, Jack puts her in charge of the army and she's the perfect general. That will surely cheer her up. Way to go, Jack! And if those puny Losties don't get in line and follow orders she'll pop a cap in 'em!

#110. Posted by: t-code-j at January 21, 2006 4:56 AM

Questions questions questions...


Zeke et al "allowing" the Lostees to co-habitate? I don't think so. The first thing I would do to "unwanted curious visitor" would be to kick them out. I agree with other postings, there's some kind of leverage going on here to keep the balace/peace.


If Walt has access to a computer, he must be chatting from another hatch station. If the other hatch is equipt similarly, my theory is that the kids were kidnapped as slaves to clean up after the dirty "Others". Not to be judgemental, but by the look of Zeke's fish and mango juiced beard, he can't possibly have the time to keep his hatch very tidy. (If Locke's station is dubbed "the swan", we can definatly dub Zeke's station "the pig")


Eko and his childhood kidnapping to be trained as a future nigerian gangbanger... parallels with the others taking children here for potential "Other" training (as we've seen with Alex)? Eko's turn for a little revenge here??

And what bothers me the most, is how you can build a kick-ass set of stations and not have any island ports nearby to bring in the mass of cement/pipes/generators, complete with a modern front-loading washer/dryer to furnish the stations. Sorry, I'll turn my logic off now, its starting to spoil the show.


The people here posting are great!!! Just started reading the comments, and they are a interesting additions to mac's always insightful playback.

#111. Posted by: YenSaltRed at January 21, 2006 6:56 AM

Wait, new theory- maybe Walt escaped from the Others and stumbled upon station #2, where he spends time reading comics in the station's bunkbed, eating Apollo bars, chatting with online friends, and confusing this stations holographic machine as a shower (solves the mystery to why he appears dripping wet in front of other island castaways. Now if he can just figure out the "playback in reverse" mode to turn off so EVERYONE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S SAYING!!)

#112. Posted by: YenSaltRed at January 21, 2006 7:00 AM

The pistol that the bearded other held to Kate has not been made for fifty years 0.o

__knot_U

#113. Posted by: knot_U at January 21, 2006 8:55 AM

Ummm...murphdogg, you're going to need to somehow explain this better, it could be the coolest post I have ever read. I'm just pretty slow on the math...anyway to attached a diagram? Kudos to you for figuring that out.

Aja1

#114. Posted by: Aja1 at January 21, 2006 9:06 AM

If the tats are Matthew Fox's own, and not part of the show, I took the "5" to go with his days in the show "Party of 5". Anyone know for sure if they are permanant, or "Lost" tats?

#115. Posted by: karen at January 21, 2006 12:12 PM

regarding the tats, i read somewhere that they are Matthew Fox's, but that the writers were going to explain them as Jack's, in a backstory.

#116. Posted by: silkyway at January 21, 2006 12:24 PM

Thanks silkyway. I got a good look at it on one of his fan sites. It'll be interested to see what the writters have to say about it. It certainly look like a real permanant tat; I think they are, but I couldn't find any "post-Party-of-five-pre-Lost" pics to verify this. It would be great if someone could read the chinese characters beneath the 5 on it and say what they are. Any takers?

#117. Posted by: karen at January 21, 2006 12:38 PM

karen, check this out: http://tinyurl.com/7a8a8

#118. Posted by: silkyway at January 21, 2006 3:12 PM

Aren't the Fibonacci numbers/code part of figuring out the mystery in The DaVinci code too??? I think you may be on to something, kateplussun...

#119. Posted by: Vikki at January 21, 2006 4:16 PM

Regarding Jack's tattoo with the number 5, I recall an episode where jack was asked by Kate? what it meant and he said that his father taught him a personal philosophy about letting yourself panic for 5 seconds when faced with a difficult or traumatic situation. When that 5 seconds are over, panic time is over and it's time to get down to buisness. Also, the tattoo looks to me like part of a stopwatch, explaining the 5 as a measurement of time.

I also think that there are at least 2 groups of others. Zeke, Ethan and Goodwin were all wearing shoes. The group of others that we saw walk past Jin and Eko hiding in the bushes were all barefoot. It's possible that they were barefoot so they wouldn't make any sound, but why would you need to when you're as badass as those guys. I think the shoeless ones are descendants of the 'Black Rock' and Zeke, et al are from the Dharma project.

Also, if Sawyer really knew Zeke, wouldn't he have used his name when they first encountered on the high seas? I also think his dialogue would be something like,"Zeke! Remember me? It's James. James Ford! Get me off this friggin' island! And, by the way, just what the heck are you doing way out here in the middle of nowhere?"
Plus, Sawyer would have been 16 the last time he saw Zeke, since the Dharma b.s. started in 1984. Long time ago. But that's just my opinion. I've been wrong plenty of times before.

Lastly, I think Claire should cut Charlie a little slack. If someone had kidnapped my child and a friend of mine, or even a total stranger rescued him, I would show a little more gratitude and leniency. Charlie was there for Claire in her time of need, even gave his life (later revived by Jack) for her. Now Charlie is in need and Claire kicks him when he's down. I'm not saying Claire shouldn't be upset or take certain precautions to protect herself and Aaron, but what she did was just cold.

#120. Posted by: curtis at January 21, 2006 4:44 PM

One other thing. In the episode 'Walkabout' during the first season, in one of the backstory segments about Locke, he was sitting on his bed talking on the phone. He reaches over and turns off a machine that either measures or administers electromagnetic pulses. Possibly some kind of therapy to help Locke walk again is his paralysis is eventually reversable and not permanent. I don't know exactly what it does, but I think that the reason that he can walk again is related to the hatch and it being the center of experiments in electromagnetics. Maybe, in the episode that he has trouble waslking and has to send Boone is the result of someone or something manipulating the electromagnetics on the island to prevent Locke from going up in the plane, knowing that it would fall and ultimately result in his death. Someone wants to keep Locke alive! I also think that, away from such a large electromagnetic force, he wouldn't be able to walk anymore. I.E - rescue = wheelchair. I know this is going back a bit, but if there really is a forcefield or a 'line' not to cross, I wonder if Locke could walk on the other side of it.

#121. Posted by: Curtis at January 21, 2006 5:09 PM

Ok. Aja1. The Fibonacci code is a VERY COMPLEX CODE. If you Google search "the Fibonacci Code" look for something and try to make heads or tails of it. Personally, I took like 2 weeks trying to figure it out but I still managed it. I'm kind of slow on math too, but if you concentrate on it you can figure it out in time.

#122. Posted by: murphdogg at January 21, 2006 5:59 PM

Couple of things. When Jack and Locke are in the armory and Jack asks him to give him a boost up to the air vent, Locke says not to bother because he has bolted it shut from the inside (so nobody can get in). Hello!? They are on the inside. But maybe they didn't have a wrench with which to take the bolts out.

I was also convinced that Sawyer shot at Zeke and it richocheted back. In the scene, the camera switches from Sawyer pointing the gun to showing Zeke a split second before the shot (so we don't see it) and then switches back to see Sawyer hit. But this episode's transcript is now posted at LostHatch.com and it says "a shot from the jungle grazes Sawyer's neck indicating that they are surrounded". And speaking of being surrounded, there's a photo at the Sledgeweb's site on their Investigations page that shows when the torches are first lit up and you can see 13 or 14 of them and it looks like there's a person standing next to each one.

And at the episode's end while Locke is playing with little Arron as Claire holds him, Charlie is looking on from a distance. It looks like he is jealous and there's about to be some conflict between Charlie and Locke. And the trailer for next week has Locke asking him if he's using again.

#123. Posted by: Ardie at January 21, 2006 6:31 PM

Ethan is with DAnielle, we learn that in Exodus Part 2

#124. Posted by: OTHER at January 21, 2006 11:11 PM

This is going to be a throwback from an earlier episode..but something I was talking about with some Lost fans this evening....Remember when Walt's picture appeared on a milk carton Hurley was drinking from when he first came across the food supply? Was that a dream of Hurley's?

#125. Posted by: Adjudicator at January 21, 2006 11:51 PM

I think that this was a very interesting episode. First with the name Zeke, I don't think that Sawyer knew him, but with the dialog about why sawyer chose his name right before it, I do think that there is something more to the name than just a hillbilly name. With Jack's past, I think it was an interesting choice to use for this episode. One thing about the timeline of his marriage, in this flashback his father says that he is the head resident, a residency usually lasting four years and the head resident usually being in his fourth year. So his marriage lasted less than four years as he was a doctor when he saved his wife. It also shows that in the past Jack was a push over and not willing to fight for what he wanted as in contrast to the bad ass Jack in this episode. Also, it also seems that in Jacks past doing the right thing always got him nothing. His flash back from when he was a child and he got his butt kicked helping another kid in season one. His dad running off and dying after Jack turned him in for drinking on the job. His wife leaving him after he refused to have an affair. I think that this is why it was included, Jack is no longer going to do the right thing and personally I look forward to more of this outwardly bad ass less self torn Jack.
Does anyone else think that there is a connection between Hanso being a munitions supplier in WWII and all the weapons the others posses are circa WWII, meaning that they may have been there, or descended from others who have been there since WWII and maybe the Black Rock was not a slave ship, but a munitions ship that crashed there, hence it being full of dynamite, and that is how they knew of the electromagnetic forces when they set up the SWAN station later. Also, WWII was when there was the greatest nuclear testing and there does seem to be some form of nuclear energy under the hatch cement.
But this is how there could be two groups of others. One group crazy others who have been there since WWII and second others who have been there since the dharma project. Just a thought.

#126. Posted by: Hubguy at January 22, 2006 12:04 AM

is Alvar Hanso even real?

#127. Posted by: murphdogg at January 22, 2006 12:58 AM

For Ardie:
The vent was bolted shut from the inside meaning the inside of the vent. Not the inside of the vault. And also, you are right about the camera cutting away right before Sawyer would have fired the gun so there is no way to tell for sure. I noticed that today when I watched it again. But I think he did fire and it richocheted. Just because the episode transcript says "a shot from the jungle grazes Sawyer's neck indicating that they are surrounded" doesn't mean that's what really happened.

#128. Posted by: gotspeed13 at January 22, 2006 1:20 AM

My brother went through medical school and had a four year residency for ER medicine after he got out. We lived with two other roommates who were residents as well, but the one who went into Internal Medicine had a three year residency and the Radiologist had to do a five year deal. It all depends on the specialty. Surgical residents can do up to an eight year residency, and even more, especially for something like spinal surgery. Anyone who marries a surgical resident and expects him or her to be home for dinner every night at five is smoking crack. Jack's wife should have known what she was in for, especially since she herself had been a patient and knew what his profession required.

#129. Posted by: Sara at January 22, 2006 11:47 AM

Here are some more random thoughts that just popped into my head. Didn't the french lady say that when her crew got sick it started with a fevor. And it just so happens that Sawyer had a fevor going through the jungle. Maybe he is turning into whatever the illness turned the french ladies crew into. Possibly that is how he used the name Zeke, maybe the illness conects them all. And she said that it all started at the black rock, further evidence, perhaps, that the ship was carrying weapons and some of a biological sort. Possible mind controll agents that are linked to the computers that have to be hit every 108 minutes or something bad happens. I know that it is far out but just thought that I would throw it out there.

#130. Posted by: Hubguy at January 22, 2006 3:40 PM

Thanks a bunch silkyway!! That's just what I wanted to know! Great link!

#131. Posted by: karen at January 22, 2006 4:59 PM

Hey all,
I'm a newb to these forums - some good reviews. I was reading some of the stuff here and I just happened to think about what Desmond says to Jack - something like "see you in another life" Is this of any significance?

#132. Posted by: Ace Hart at January 22, 2006 6:39 PM

Great site! My two cents: I don't think Zeke is a "nickname." But I don't have anything to back that up. What has always bothered me though, is why Sawyer calls Kate, "Freckles" when, at least in my observation, she doesn't seem to have any freckles. Nor does it seem to phase her that he calls her this and she doesn't have any. Locke's questioning of Sawyer about the choosing his name also suggests that there's something to the name game.

#133. Posted by: dubya at January 22, 2006 7:32 PM

i just want to know if anyone else had a problem with the way the torches lit up and then when the guys started to walk away after handing zeke the guns the torches went out wouldnt it be pretty hard for 13 or 14 others to just extiguish thier torches that quick or could it have been something rigged to make it look like their was that many people and zeke really was bluffing.

#134. Posted by: millerklostfan at January 22, 2006 10:24 PM

By the way, this is probably old news, but has anyone else noticed that when you are on the hanso foundation websight and you are looking at alvar hanso if you put th mouse on him text appears in the right side of the pic. Does anyone know what this text says, I do not have a program that will keep the quality when it is enlarged. Thanks

#135. Posted by: hubguy at January 23, 2006 12:08 AM

@ hubguy:
Sawyer had his fever from the gunshot wound. That's why he was on antibiotics.

The text on the right side of the picture of Hanso is from the letter you see when you click on his pic and wait.

#136. Posted by: SnakeJake at January 23, 2006 5:56 AM

There is no way to read that text. I blew it up in photoshop and the resolution is just too low to enlarge it into anything but fuzz. Sorry.

#137. Posted by: Tazbee at January 23, 2006 9:26 AM

Kate has a TON of freckles. Are we watching the same show?

'Zeke' was just a nickname made up on the spot by Sawyer. It's pretty funny reading all the theories about it though. I'm positive that's one thing about Lost that really is not related to anything. Sawyer simply makes up nicknames for people. There's really nothing else to it. If there turns out to be, I will very publicly eat my words, but I think the writers would think all the speculation about it is hilarious and a bit ridiculous.

Same with the force field theory. If there was a force field of some kind protecting Zeke, they would have made it much more obvious that Sawyer fired at him. I truly believe the shot came from an Other in the forest, and there was no ricochet of any kind. (Except off of Sawyer's neck of course!)

#138. Posted by: JoePike at January 23, 2006 10:15 AM

Thanks, JoePike. I posted the same about Kate, but I also posted links to pictures, and I guess Mac screens those. ;)

#139. Posted by: silkyway at January 23, 2006 10:28 AM

Evangeline Lilly has freckles.


And they're lovely.

#140. Posted by: Jon at January 23, 2006 10:56 AM

Banned topics:
Force field theory
Sawyer knows Zeke theory
Kate is an "other" theory

Any other theories that should be banned, please list them. Somehow this last episode dropped the level of sophistication of this site by about 20 IQ points. I think it was Alvar Hanso performing psychological experiments on the viewers. Oh and regard to Jack's medical training, since when did tv ever get that kind of stuff right? The two routes to spinal surgery are either through neuro surgery (5 yrs) or orthopaedic surgery (5 yrs). Fellowships are also available. Jack, however, was trained by Doogie Howser (secret footage on DVD series one) and thus is able to do any procedure, including miracle spinal surgery, after his first yr of residency.

#141. Posted by: texasrobster at January 23, 2006 1:24 PM

Is there an area of this site where people can engage in "unsophisticated" debate about different theories about LOST? Cuz that's where I want to hang out!

Seriously, I'm not going to argue about this, but I would encourage everybody to continue to post their opinions about what's going on in this show. I enjoy reading the posts from people whose opinions differ than mine, and oftentimes those posts turn me on to things I had missed or not thought about.

And regarding the force field theory: I'm going to make one of you chumps buy me a dinner with Evangeline Lily when I'm proven right! :)

#142. Posted by: KG at January 23, 2006 1:49 PM

KG, I'm hangin' out with you in unsophisticated turf too, then. Everybody has very interesting perspectives and creative ideas. It might be a boring site without them, were it not for Mac's linguistic genius....

As for dinner with Evangeline Lilly, can we make it a threesome? ;)

#143. Posted by: silkyway at January 23, 2006 1:57 PM

Just to be clear, the only "banned" topics from this blog are those that deal with the actors' personal lives/gossip. Beyond that, all theories about the show -- no matter how "out there" they may be -- are welcome.

The rules are very simple:

1. Be nice
2. Do your homework
3. Be nice

-- Mac

#144. Posted by: mac at January 23, 2006 1:59 PM

I think I just got scolded by Mac himself. I don't know whether to feel bad or privileged. Oh well, I didn't mean to disparage my fellow Lostees. I guess my debate tends to be more biting than most. I'll tone it down for Mac...carry on

#145. Posted by: texasrobster at January 23, 2006 2:09 PM

texasrobster -- No worries. As scolds go, that one was pretty minor ;)

#146. Posted by: mac at January 23, 2006 2:10 PM

Easy. They're in purgatory.

#147. Posted by: schiano at January 23, 2006 2:15 PM

Glad there are no hard feelings. Keep up the good work everybody.

But no, you can't join in my romantic dinner with E.L. when I'm proven right about the force field!

#148. Posted by: KG at January 23, 2006 2:20 PM

I think that Jack asked Ana instead of Sayid because she has killed some of "the Others" before... He asked her because she knows what they're up against in regards to the others' strengths....

Oh and has anyone else been to the oceanic website lately? On the home page screen, there is hidden text behind the 'all flights cancelled' disclaimer...if you highlight it all and then copy and paste it on a word document, hidden clues are there. I found one of claire's plane ticket. There was also a picture of a drawing of a boat, with a letter to walt from Michael. Wierd!!!

Let me know if anyone else can make some sense of it.

#149. Posted by: mo at January 23, 2006 2:32 PM

OK, I recant. There WAS a force field! It was created by the power of the conflicted love Kate feels for Jack and Sawyer...combined with the 'father figure' love she feels for Locke!

Sorry, I'll try to be nicer. Seriously, there could be egg on my face about the force field thing, but from what I saw it just doesn't seem possible.

Then again, I thought the images in the monster fog were just little electrical charges the first couple times I saw them. Glad some of you have TIVO.

Speaking of the smoke monster, I am actually a bit disappointed that the creature that makes such huge stomps on the ground before coming into view is just smoke. (Well I know it's more than that, but you know what I mean.) I always had some gigantic hairy bigfoot thing in my head ever since it ripped the pilot out of the cockpit...

#150. Posted by: JoePike at January 23, 2006 2:40 PM

hey murphdogg, i am really interested in how you came up with the message from the numbers. i read your explanation like 3 times but couldn't really follow it. what lines were you talking about? please, if you don't mind doing so, explain the whole thing again. i am really impressed that you connected the fibonacci numbers with this thing. genius man!!!

#151. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 23, 2006 3:00 PM

how do you guys get to the seating chart from the oceanic-air website?

#152. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 23, 2006 3:05 PM

WARNING!!!! POSSIBLE MINI-SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!

WARNING!!!! POSSIBLE MINI-SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey JoePike, don't get too disappointed yet about that monster. If you remember a while back, we discovered the hidden script page on the Oceanic Air site. On this page we saw some comments about it being too soon to reveal the "Mapinguari." A Mapinguari is a huge prehistoric monster in the sense that you are thinking about monsters. So stay tuned!

#153. Posted by: KG at January 23, 2006 3:14 PM

re:monster: And you know, my four year old son has said from the beggining "It's a dinosaur mommy, I just know it is!!" From the mouths of babes!!

#154. Posted by: karen at January 23, 2006 3:28 PM

I'm pleased to see that all of you were also annoyed with 'Zeke's' comments about visiting a friends house. It's not like they asked to be there. I would also have liked someone to throw the anology back at him and say, when you visit your friends house they usually don't steal your children.

Which leads to my question: Remember when Claire was talking to Ecko an he asked her why she nameed the baby Aaron? She got off the line about how hard it must have been to be Moses brother. And Ecko says Aaron was very important too. He was the SPOKESPERSON for Moses. Now did you all see the bit in the teaser for next week? It looks like Aaron is in a basket floating on the water (just like MOSES when his mother hid him amoung the reeds and then the Pharoah daughter finds him). So who is going to find Aaron and who is he going to be a spokesman for?

I also don't think the Zeke and others know really about the hatch. Why wouldn't they have gotten all the guns before? Plus how many guns do you think are left in the hatch.

At what was the line that was crossed? Thou shalt not head into the jungle looking for walt/michael? Or thou shalt not head into the jungle armed with guns?

#155. Posted by: Anna at January 23, 2006 3:39 PM

To get to the seating chart on the oceanic site, click on the green "find" button at the bottom of the flight info for flight 815. It pulls up the seating chart in just a bit and then you can click around to try and find the hidden info. I don't think I found everything, and I thought it was a little frustrating trying to figure out how to even get started. I found about 6 of the characters seats and got to see the resulting images.
Good luck, and if there's a method to that madness, let me know.

#156. Posted by: karen at January 23, 2006 3:39 PM

Hmm, I just picked up on something, but I'm too sure if it actually relates.

While Jack is speaking with the daughter of the hospital patient, she asks Jack if he's changed his mind. He says no, she replies with -- "Even if you don't succeed, you're giving us a chance. That's all we ever wanted." This seems quite like the discussion Jack had with the others when the bearded guy states that they're giving them a chance to live if they stay on their side of the island.

Later in the same scene, Jack's father says to Jack "Careful, there's a line son, you know it's there. Pretending it's not, that'd be a mistake." Again, quite like the discussion Jack had with the others.

Thoughts?

#157. Posted by: schiano at January 23, 2006 4:46 PM

thanks karen!!!

#158. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at January 23, 2006 5:19 PM

katePlusSun=Fun,

I think murphdogg was joking about the number thing. I'd let it drop.

#159. Posted by: texasrobster at January 23, 2006 5:30 PM

about the Oceanic seating chart...I spent a long time playing around with it one night, and for the heck of it, I clicked on 4-8-16-16-23-42 at the bottom and it brought me to another screen...this was a while ago, so it might just be the trailer for season 2, I don't remember, but it is just another interesting bit of info in regard to that site. Also, if you manage to get Jack's seat to highligh itself and you click on it, ignore the flashing vodka bottles and look at the bottom left corner of the page...you should see a new website flashing there...if you click on it in time, it should bring you to another secret website...it is pretty interesting...

about the picture of Alvar Hanso and the letter tht appears in the picture...the letter is from an attorney in Switzerland having to do with something called the World Health Organization (I believe, again, I am not positive)...I know there is a specific way to see it, but I don't remember....

lastly, how did Zeke know their names??? Did it have anything to do with the "list" Goodwin spoke to Ana Lucia about? That only the "good" were on the list??? Does Zeke know Locke an Jack's name b/c of this? I don't remember, but did Zeke actually say Sawyer's name out loud? I don't think he did...maybe this is because Sawyer is not on the "good" list...he also didn't say "Kate" out loud, right? Didn't he only refer to her as "the girl" or "your friend" when he talked to Jack about her???

#160. Posted by: Vikki at January 23, 2006 7:47 PM

Going on with the oceaning website, view the source of the page. You'll see this at the top:

I would like to inform my financial institutions that I will be late making my September mortgage payment as I am STRANDED ON A FRIGGIN' ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!
Please have the Government send a search team immediately. OR don't. Shouldn't all the taxes I pay cover an expense like that?

#161. Posted by: schiano at January 23, 2006 7:58 PM

Vikki: I got jacks seat to highlight and I clicked it but I didn't see the link you're talking about. Have you been able to do it again since then?

#162. Posted by: gotspeed13 at January 23, 2006 10:14 PM

gotspeed....it is in the bottom left where it says "Oceanic 777"...after jack's seat highlights, click on it and either the vodka bottle will flash across the screen or the 777 will eventually start to flash to 815 and then flash to a website...I am not sure if both happen at the same time (vodka bottle and flashing webstie) but I just tried it again before posting here and got it to work again...good luck!

#163. Posted by: Vikki at January 23, 2006 10:23 PM

I must be missing something unless it's the oceanicflight815.com site. I got it to flash from 777 to 815 then to oceanicflight815 but there is nothing clickable. If it's something other than that I can't get it I guess.

#164. Posted by: gotspeed13 at January 23, 2006 10:43 PM

A quick comment about something that Anna wrote:

I am pretty sure Zeke knew about the hatch because he makes a comment about "opening doors that shouldn't be opened," and looks right at Locke.

#165. Posted by: Sara at January 24, 2006 6:53 PM

Lost IS The Village!
I just watched the village and sorry guys, I have to say this again: Lost IS The Village!
scaring the people out from the jungle, never communicate with others and cant touch anything on the island that belongs to the others...
Lost IS The Village!

#166. Posted by: Jacko at January 24, 2006 7:59 PM

hey texasrobster. No i was not lying. I put a lot of time and effort into trying to relate the numbers to the fibonacci code. I wouldnt lie anyway. But, believe what you want.

#167. Posted by: murphdogg at January 24, 2006 8:46 PM

Zeke definitely knew about the hatch and I think that the reason he and the other 'others' didn't raid it for the guns and supplies is that they probably still believed it to be quarantined, which would explain why Zeke was annoyed that Locke had opened it. Might be part of the reason that Zeke told Jack and Co. to stay on their side of the island - they didn't want to be infected with whatever it was that caused the hatch to be quarantined in the first place.

Maybe, whatever it is that caused the quarantine is in the food. Now that the survivors have eaten some of it, we might start seeing people getting sick and the whole quarantine angle to the story might soon develope. It seemed like they put alot of emphasis on it when both bunkers were discovered but then let it drop. Who knows?

#168. Posted by: curtis at January 24, 2006 11:06 PM

curtis,

I believe "quarantine" was always stated on the inside of the hatch and doors. Which means that the island is quarantined, and not the hatch.

#169. Posted by: schiano at January 24, 2006 11:16 PM

Mac, great post as always. Sorry I haven't responded sooner, but my computer was down and out.

There is one thing you forgot to mention in your review and everyone has seemed to overlook. It might be important, it might not. The fact that Jack was almost a father. In Jack's backstory, Sarah tells Jack she thought she was pregnant but it came out negative (or she had a miscarriage, don't remember at this point). Either way, that's a significant moment in a person's life, whether you want it or not.

Also, to answer the question why Jack went to Ana instead of Sayid to form an army, it's simple. Sayid is a rational person who would ask question and would convince Jack it is a bad idea. He would get Locke or Ecko to help him. Ana, on the other hand, has already dealt with the Others. She knows they are trouble and she is already ready and willing to take action. She is also a file and rank and convinces other people to do the same. As a result, Ana is the more obvious choice to approach.

To be honest, I find myself beginning to dislike Jack. For someone who is supposed to be a man of science (which implies a rational thinker) he never seems to act that way. It was predictable he was going to interupt "Zeke" and get pissed off at Kate. I don't know....I'd like to see more on Ecko and Claire and less on Jack and Kate.

#170. Posted by: Sam at January 25, 2006 12:14 AM

I do realize that Sawyer's fevor was related to the gunshot wound, but I do believe it was because the wound got infected and that was why he was on anti-biotics as anti-biotics only kill bacteria. Again it may or may not have anything to to do with other people getting sick on the island in the past. Just a thought.

#171. Posted by: hubguy at January 25, 2006 12:17 AM

Sam,
I do think that Jack almost being a father was very important. As I mentioned before, it is strange that it seems that no one on the island has children and this just brings that home as well as Anna Lucia losing her child as well. Good Catch.

#172. Posted by: Hubguy at January 25, 2006 12:19 AM

Sam -- Awesome point regarding the non-pregnancy. That's very relevant, especially since the child angle proved to be so important in Ana's backstory.

#173. Posted by: mac at January 25, 2006 12:26 AM

Hubguy, I think it's only the charachters they have focused on that don't have children, excluding Michael and Claire. Remember in season 1 when Sawyer is reading the notes that people have written to be taken on the raft? He gets scolded by someone, (I can't remember who) because "they're private", and he responds by telling about one of the women who has written a letter to her husband and kids saying how much she misses them and thinks about them every day. Meanwhile she's sleeping all cuddled up to some othe guy there.
My point is, we only know about those that are major parts of the story line. Maybe these are all that matter to the story, but there are other Losties that we'll never know much, if anything about. Except that they're sharing this experience with the other "important" characters. And even that is debateable! Do any of the other Losties know what's going on? Given the main characters unwillingness to communicate, how much do the rest of the people on the beach really know?
I guess we'll see how much they know in the rest of the season. Will Jack train an army of ALL beach dwelling Losties, or just an army of main characters who are willing to follow him and Ana without questioning their leadership? That's one SMALL army!!!

#174. Posted by: karen at January 25, 2006 9:14 AM

Murphdogg, I didn't sat you were lying, I said you were joking. And, if you weren't, then great catch, I'd like to see how you did it though. Can anyone who knows the figures give the actual number of castaways (tailies and fronties plus the "extras" we don't see or hear about). How many characters do we "know." This isn't including the others and Desmond etc.

#175. Posted by: texasrobster at January 25, 2006 10:03 AM

Go here: lost.cubit.net

#176. Posted by: gotspeed13 at January 25, 2006 12:23 PM

hmmm....my browser can't find that website

#177. Posted by: texasrobster at January 25, 2006 2:27 PM

if the others dont want anybody esle on the island why they blew Michael's raft to pieces.??????

#178. Posted by: mr.J at January 25, 2006 4:57 PM

Let me backtrack a little. Just occured to me. Claire's story from season 1 can be read 2 ways:

1) "Raised by Another"

or

2) "Raised by an Other" / What do you guys think?

#179. Posted by: dr.no at January 25, 2006 7:28 PM

Something just popped into my head not even a moment ago. Do any of you guys recall that in seson one, The Others would send Black smoke up in the air to warn the Losties that they were coming? Well, what about the Black smoke monster? Do they control the smoke with something and order it around the island trying to tell the Losties that they're coming? And this weeks episode, the Others might capture Aaron.

#180. Posted by: murphdogg at January 25, 2006 7:36 PM

There should be 45 people on the beach at this point in the show - the 16 main or semi-important characters (such as Jack, Locke, Ecko, etc., including Rose, Bernard, and Aaron), plus 11 "extras" who have been identified (such as Janelle Granger, Steve Jenkins, Lance, etc.), plus 18 as yet unidentified extras.

#181. Posted by: Jon at January 26, 2006 1:51 AM

That count does not include Michael or Walt.

#182. Posted by: Jon at January 26, 2006 1:55 AM

"Why would he ask the bitch cop about training an army when he has a former Iraqi republican guard and an African drug lord to ask? "
The republican guard hasn't been 2 successful lately, have they?

Perhaps if you had sayid tell the survivors what to do and then they did the exact opposite they would become a group of killing machines.

In fairness, Sayeed is all twisted up right now. Also, we know there is an African drug lord on the island, but Jack doesn't. Jack doesnt even know him well enough. Eko is just some big quiet dude who seems to be pretty religious, as far as they know.

#183. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at January 28, 2006 5:09 PM

And whats with all of you guys ripping on Jack? I think he's the best developed character on the show.

Jack is a leader. Hes the type of person who takes charge and wants to solve everything. THis makes him a natural leader and that is why people listen to him.

But hes also the type of person who takes everything to personally. He wants to fix everything, but when he cant, he feels the burden of failure. This has been Jack's main characteristic through out the series.

Lately though he seems to be getting fed up. He sees the situation getting worse with the others appearing, finding the other half of the plane, the hatch and is getting frustrated. That frustration is causing him to become more extreme, more forceful, and more confrontational.

The whole "how long to train an army comment fit in perfectly with the rest of the episode and where theyre probably going with his character. Jack took a stand in this episode, he basically told the others "fuck you, you dont scare me, back off." If it wasnt for Kate, he probably would have started shooting.

Mark my words, you going to see Jack become more hardcore as time goes on. He's quickly falling into the same dilema alot of people with his character do, he sees himself as the only one who can fix things and his way as the only way. Hes going to have less patience with people, be more confrontational, and is going to become obsessed with stopping the others.

Perfect character development.

#184. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at January 28, 2006 5:13 PM

btw in my opinion Sayeed and Ecko are best equipped to take on the others.

#185. Posted by: LOSTFAN22 at January 28, 2006 5:15 PM

When Sawyer call the leader of the others 'Zeke', I am pretty sure he is naming him after the lion in the wizard of Oz. The lion called Zeke has very simalar facial hair.

#186. Posted by: millie at August 15, 2006 4:52 PM