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Key Points from "One of Them"

Season 2, Episode 14
Episode Air Date: 02/15/06

Point 1
Sayid

Jack

Locke

Rousseau
Last week, we witnessed Sawyer's surprising power play. This week, it's Sayid's turn to shake things up.

Much like Sawyer (up until last week), Sayid has been quiet this season. Sayid's Season Two started with a bang (ahem), but his booty buddy went and got shot by Ana-Lucia and since then, he's been mired in a post-Shannon funk. In this episode, that funk curdles into vengeance.

Sayid's Violent Adventure begins when Ana-Lucia bolts from the treeline and rushes toward Sayid on the beach. The simple fact that Ana is within 500 feet of Sayid signals trouble -- the two aren't exactly BFF. Ana has thrown caution to the wind because she's just spotted something -- well, someone -- sneaking through the jungle. Sayid follows Ana into the brush and that's when they both see a tall, disheveled French woman walking carefully through the trees, a rifle slung over her shoulder.

Sayid immediate recognizes the forest visitor as Crazy Danielle Rousseau and, because he doesn't want Ana to shoot any more of his acquaintances, he curtly instructs Ana to go back to the beach. Ana sneers in response, but she turns on her heel and moves back toward the shore (Sayid's Death Glare is supremely convincing). With Ana safely out of firing range, Sayid runs through the trees and curls in front of Rousseau's path.

As it turns out, Sayid is exactly the person Rousseau is looking for. Of course, she doesn't explain why she's looking for him, nor does she explain why she's suddenly reappearing after that embarrassing black smoke ruse ("Exodus, Part 2"). Despite her lack of explanation, Sayid opts join Rousseau on a trip into the jungle.

Shortly thereafter, Sayid realizes he's following an armed crazy woman through dense foliage toward an unknown destination. He stops in his tracks and demands answers. "Trust me," Rousseau says. Sayid pauses a moment, takes a breath, and then launches into an expository lecture that deftly outlines Rousseau's recent history with the castaways.

"The last time we met, you arrived to warn us the Others were coming," Sayid says. "And then they didn't. And then you stole Claire's baby and ran across the island. You fooled us all by lighting a big bonfire on the other side of the Island, thereby sending huge billowing clouds of smoke high into the sky. Granted, this was a stirring visual that led to many fine cinematic moments during our tension-filled finale, but it was, at its heart, a lie. Moreover, when Charlie and I ran across the island in pursuit of you, Charlie discovered the stash of Virgin Mary heroin statues, and now we've got a wacked-out bassist from a two-bit rock band all hopped up on the sticky icky. So, considering all this, you might understand why a comment like 'trust me' doesn't hold much weight with me."

Or something like that. The whole speech seemed out of place. The "Lost" writers don't usually resort to soap-opera-esque description dialogue. Nonetheless, Sayid's delivery would have brought a smile to Sami Brady's face.

Moving on ...

Rousseau offers a token of "trust" to Sayid by giving him her rifle. This temporarily appeases Sayid's concern and so the two once again set off to Rousseau's surprise location.

Sometime later, Rousseau stops by a tree and pushes aside brush and vines. She reaches down and picks up a makeshift crossbow and a quiver of arrows (incidentally, Chewbacca uses a crossbow -- coincidence?). Before Sayid can comment on the similarities between Rousseau and Chewie, an unseen man yelps for help nearby. Sayid rushes into a clearing and sees a figure struggling in one of Rousseau's vine traps (she's a sucker for those things). Rousseau, who captured the guy the night before, has determined that this trapped man is an Other. The trapped man disagrees. He begs Sayid to cut him down, pleading his case by revealing "My name is Henry Gale! I'm from Minnesota!"

We need to pause a moment to evaluate this new character's name. Last season, clever viewers (I wasn't one of them) discovered that Ethan Rom's name could be rearranged to spell "Other Man." With this in mind, I ran "Henry Gale" through the Internet Anagram Server. Herein are a few notable results:

GALE HENRY (never would have guessed this one)
A LEG HENRY
ANGRY HEEL (shout-out to Charlie)
GRAY HELEN (Locke had a "Helen" in his backstory. Hmm ...)
HAL ENERGY
And just because I'm a big dork with too much time on his hands, I also ran a query for "Henry Gale Minnesota." My favorite results included:
A GENTLEMANISE HORNY (amorous condiments run amok?)
A MENAGERIE SHOT LYNN
A REMAGNETISE OH LYNN
A LINEAGE HYMEN SNORT (the Internet Anagram Server is kinda dirty)
Now that I've completely wasted your time, let's get back to the action ...

So Sayid cuts down "Henry Gale" (if that's your real name) and guess what Henry does? He runs for the hills! But before he can reach the safety of the woods, Rousseau aims her crossbow and plants an arrow straight through Henry's right shoulder. He collapses to the ground, unconscious and bleeding. Sayid runs to Henry and checks his vital signs. Henry is still alive but, well, he's got an arrow in his shoulder and that can't be good. Sayid chastises Rousseau for shooting Henry, but Rousseau casually notes that if she wanted to kill him, she would have. She recommends that Sayid tie Henry up and take him back to Jack for medical care.

"And then what?" Sayid asks.

"You talk to him, Sayid," Rousseau says. "As I recall, that is what you do ... But know this: He will lie. For a long time. He will lie."

Sayid gives Rousseau a darting look, then binds Henry's hands and hoists Henry's limp body over his shoulder. Rousseau watches as Sayid heads back into the jungle.

He marches straight to the Hatch and deposits Henry on the floor. Sayid then wakes Locke (Locke is napping in the Hatch bunk beds, curled up in sheets with little Dharma logos all over them). Locke is understandably perplexed: a stranger with bound hands and an arrow poking from his shoulder is suddenly lying unconscious on the Hatch floor -- this wasn't really part of his day's mental plan.

Before Locke can question Sayid about his new buddy, Henry starts to gain consciousness. Sayid immediately switches into interrogation mode, slapping Henry with questions. Through waves of pain and dripping blood, Henry reveals the following:

  • He and his wife crashed on the island four months ago. The two were trying to fly across the Pacific in a hot air balloon (oh come on).

  • His wife died three weeks ago. Henry claims that "she got sick."

  • For most of his time on the island, Henry lived with his wife in a cave near the beach.
The interrogation is cut short by Jack's arrival. Upon seeing the bloody arrow protruding from Henry's shoulder, Jack's doctor instincts kick in and he starts swabbing and fixing and healing the new patient. As Jack works, Sayid tells Jack that Rousseau believes Henry is an Other. Jack isn't phased. "What, you were gonna just let him bleed to death?" Jack asks mockingly.

"I was trying to get honest answers while he was able to give them," Sayid counters. "And his wound is far from life threatening."

Jack looks at Sayid with doctorly disdain. But Sayid looks back. His eyelids narrow and his face etches itself into the Death Glare.

"Jack," Sayid says with eerie calm. "Do not untie him."

Jack holds Sayid's gaze for half a second, then looks away submissively. I'm pretty sure he peed himself, too.

First Ana-Lucia and now Jack -- Sayid has got his Death Glare mojo working in this episode!

And that mojo keeps on working moments later ...

As Jack tends to Henry's wound, Sayid and Locke hold a conspiratorial pow-wow beyond Jack's earshot. Sayid asks Locke if Jack knows the combination to the Hatch armory. Locke says he does ... for now. Sayid follows up with a second, more pointed question: How long would it take to change the combination? Locke is momentarily perplexed, but realization soon sets in: Sayid wants to use the armory to get the truth out of Henry by whatever means necessary.

At first, Locke misunderstands Sayid's motives: "If you're angry ... looking for someone to punish ..."

Sayid cuts Locke off with his Death Glare. "Why would I need to punish anyone? I want to find out who he is. I want the truth."

Locke's face scrunches into a concerned squint as he gets a glimpse of Sayid's true bad-assedness.

Sayid, fully aware that he's got Locke in the palm of his hand, notes that Jack will likely have a problem with his truth-seeking techniques. As such, he wants Locke to get working on that new combination as soon as possible. Locke cowers and abides by Sayid's decree.

Now, I'm going to pause a moment to discuss a potential character discrepancy. In this episode, Sayid believes Jack is going to protest Henry's torture. But if you recall, Jack was the one who helped Sayid torture Sawyer in "Confidence Man." Moreover, Jack has a hair across his butt for the Others, so why would he immediately defend a guy who might be an Other? If anything, Locke would be the one most apt to disagree with torture. Am I missing something here? Have the electromagnetic pulses from the Hatch scrambled key personality traits? Next thing you know, Sawyer will babysit Aaron while Ana-Lucia sells Mary Kay products tent-to-tent.

So anyway ... Locke sneaks off to reset the armory combination. A few minutes later, Locke and Sayid convince Jack to keep Henry in the armory for safety purposes. Jack agrees, and the three of them haul Henry's unconscious body (he passed out again) into the bare armory (remember: Locke emptied the thing last week). Jack and Locke turn to walk out, but Sayid stays a step behind. As Jack and Locke clear the doorway, Sayid grabs the latch and clicks the door shut.

And that's when Henry's day goes from bad to Really Super Horrendously Bad.

Inside the armory, Sayid binds Henry's legs as Henry grunts and gains consciousness. Sayid props Henry against the wall, taking particular care to dig his thumb into Henry's fresh arrow wound. As Henry winces, Sayid methodically begins to ask questions and poke holes in Henry's story.

Sayid hammers at the facts, forcing Henry to quickly recall names and descriptions. Henry seems up to the task. He reiterates that he and his wife were living in a cave on the north shore of the island. Sayid peppers him with more questions: How far away is the cave? Why did you stay there for so long? Henry responds rapidly, saying they stayed on the beach so they'd be spotted by rescue planes.

But then he says something very interesting (and perhaps, very, very stupid) ...

"We had an emergency beacon ... a transmitter."

"What kind of transmitter?" Sayid asks, his interest piqued.

"An A.D.F. beacon," Henry says. "We wanted to be sure we'd be spotted."

Henry doesn't realize he's talking to a communications expert. Nor does he realize that Sayid has, on two occasions, used radio equipment to monitor all sorts of frequencies around the island -- and so far, he's only heard two things: Rousseau's 16-year-old distress call and the "Moonlight Serenade" radio broadcast heard in last week's episode.

Sayid files this "emergency beacon" tidbit into his mental torture file, then continues with his question bombardment:

Q: What is your wife's maiden name?
A: Murphy.
Q: Where did you meet her?
A: The University of Minnesota.
Q: How did she die?
A: She got sick ... it started as a fever, two days later she was delirious and "then she died."
Q: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
A: It was time for a Python joke.
Henry is on the ropes, taking shot after shot. In a desperation move, Henry tries to divert Sayid, asking him -- begging him -- to tell him his name. Sayid's eyes narrow ... uh oh ... and out comes the Death Glare.

"I was 23 years old when the Americans came to my country," he says firmly. "I was a good man. I was a soldier. And when they left, I was something different. For the next six years, I did things I wish I could erase from my memory. Things that I never thought myself to be capable of. But I did come to learn this ... There is a part of me which was always capable. [SINISTER AND SCARY PAUSE] You want to know who I am? [OH HENRY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS ONE BIT] ... My name is Sayid Jarrah. And I am a torturer."

Now that that's clear, Sayid continues his questioning. He asks Henry about the hot-air balloon, and Henry responds with all sorts of balloon tech specs -- how much air it can hold, how big it is, what you do when you need to use the bathroom, etc. -- and he also notes that if you were to look down on the balloon from above, you'd see a big yellow smiley face staring back at you (it's going to be very interesting indeed when Vincent prances into camp with a big shred of yellow fabric dangling in his mouth). Henry also claims to be rich -- well, he was rich. Sayid picks up on the odd tense. Henry freezes a moment, then says he's already thinking in the past.

Sayid grows tired of all this balloon talk, so he decides to up the ante by adding a pair of pliers to the equation. He wraps the pliers around one of Henry's fingers and looks straight into Henry's quivering eyes.

"Where is she buried?" Sayid snarls.

Henry is dumbfounded, but Sayid presses on. He reminds Henry that he said he had buried his wife, so it shouldn't be a problem to describe the grave's location. Nor should it be a problem to describe how deep the grave is or how long it took Henry to dig the hole or even how he dug the hole (shovel? hands?). Henry's mouth flutters in fear.

"I don't remember!" Henry screams.

"You would remember!" Sayid shouts. "You would remember how deep! You would remember every shovelful! Every moment! You would remember what it felt like to place her body inside!" A tear streams from Sayid's eye. "You would remember if you buried the woman you love. You would remember ... if it were true!"

Henry, fully aware that he's officially screwed, tries another half-assed diversion. He asks Sayid if he lost someone on the island. He asks who it was. Henry is desperate to find a connection, but what he doesn't realize is that he's just asked the dumbest thing possible.

The Death Glare returns as Sayid recounts how Shannon was shot by accident ... and the reason she was shot was because the person who shot her was afraid ... "she thought she was someone else ... someone coming to hurt her ... SOMEONE LIKE YOU!"

Sayid stands and drops the pliers. He clenches his hand into a fist, pulls back and unloads a powerful right hook into Henry's jaw. He follows with another and another, all the while screaming, "Tell me the truth!" Henry has a hard time telling him anything because his jaw is snapping and crackling into a million tiny pieces.

Outside the armory, Jack hears the punches and the screaming. He demands that Locke open the door, but Locke refuses. Jack shoves Locke to the wall and at that very moment, the Hatch's countdown alarm blares throughout the structure. A showdown takes shape. Jack keeps Locke pinned to the wall as the alarm gets louder ... Locke can either open the door and reset the countdown, or the countdown will tick away and we'll finally find out what happens when the digits hit zero. Locke's fear is palpable -- that countdown freaks him out and he does not want to see what happens when it crosses the zero threshold. Locke turns and unlocks the armory door as the countdown reaches 10 seconds. With the armory unlocked, Locke bolts to the computer to punch in the reset code. Jack swings the armory door open.

And at this point, I'm really glad I have TiVo. Within the span of 10 seconds we see:

  • Locke reaches the computer and types in the wrong digits. As he hits backspace and tries to correct the mistake, the countdown reaches two seconds ... then one second ...

  • And then it hits ZERO!

  • In that moment, the alarm silences and the countdown clock spins wildly. The clock's second-digit panels suddenly settle into place: each shows a red panel with an icon (here's a screenshot). The right-hand icon appears to be some sort of upwards-pointing stick (or maybe a needle? Or a rocket?). The next icon is a bird. A second later, one of the minute-digit panels flips into place. It's a black panel with a feather (it resembles a quill standing upright in an ink bottle).

  • As the panels continue to flip, a heavy mechanized sound whirs and thumps to life (could it be the electromagnetic doo-dad sitting in the Hatch's core?).

  • Even though the countdown has expired, Locke looks at the keyboard and presses the last two digits. With the code inserted, Locke slams the EXECUTE button. The thumping machine noise cuts off and the countdown clock spins and resets to 108.

  • What does all this mean? I have absolutely no idea. Technically, the clock hit zero. We know that when this happens, the Hatch is programmed to flip the ignition on some sort of giant mechanized device. What this device does and where it's housed are not known. We also don't know if Locke successfully reset the clock. It looks that way, but lord only knows what those icons and that machine did in the half-second they sprung to life.
Meanwhile, back in the armory ...

Jack busts through the door and snares Sayid's arms. Jack spins him from the armory as Sayid shouts "He's lying! He's lying!" With Sayid now outside the armory, Jack moves to slam the door from the inside. As the metal slab closes, Sayid looks in and sees Henry staring back at him. It's an odd moment: Sayid appears to have a revelation, but it's unclear what that revelation entails. On the flip side, Henry doesn't look scared, but he hasn't let down his guard, either. Rather, Henry has an "interested" look; it's as though he's reading Sayid rather than recoiling from him.

Or maybe I'm reading way too much into this.

Later, after all the torture turmoil has tempered, Jack, Sayid and Locke converge in the Hatch living room (we know it's the living room because it's decorated with some lovely Art Institutes originals -- I'm particularly impressed with the rock-desert picture hanging above the couch. It captures the desolation that comes when you're forced to press a friggin button every 108 minutes). Decorating aside, Sayid tells Jack that Henry is definitely an Other. Jack notes that Rousseau once thought Sayid himself was an Other, and she went so far as to strap him to a bedspring and pulse heavy electric currents through his body, "all because she thought you were one of them." Locke suddenly appears from out of nowhere (he was probably hunting for wayward film splices in the Hatch library) and offers this bon mot: "He is one of them. To Rousseau, we're all 'Others'. I guess it's all relative, huh?"

Sayid, worn from the torture session, has neither the time nor the inclination to summon his Death Glare.

In the closing moments of the episode, Sayid sits with Charlie on the beach. He's feeling chatty so he tells Charlie about his day: "Oh, you know, nothing major ... went for a walk in the morning ... moped about Shannon for an hour or two ... and then I ran into Rousseau and she led me to this guy she captured and then she shot him with an arrow and so I picked him up and brought him to the Hatch, And then after that, Locke and I conspired to reset the armory lock so Jack couldn't get in -- oh he was sooo mad -- and then I spent the rest of the afternoon beating the guy senseless with my fists."

Charlie is slightly overwhelmed: the whole "finding an Other and torturing him" revelation is a lot to comprehend. But Sayid isn't done ...

"Jack asked me how I knew ... knew for sure that this man was lying," Sayid says. "How I knew for sure that he was one of them. One of the Others. I know because I feel no guilt for what I did to him. [LONG PAUSE SUGGESTING SOMETHING BIG TO COME ...] But there is no way I can ever explain that to Jack, or even Locke. Because both of them have forgotten ..."

Charlie's brow crinkles in confusion. "Forgotten? What?"

The Death Glare returns!

"That you were strung up by your neck and left for dead," Sayid growls. "That Claire was taken and kept for days, during which god only knows what happened to her [FORESHADOWING ALERT!]. These people, these 'Others,' are merciless, and can take any one of us whenever they choose."

Sayid looks out at the ocean and prepares to unload a real whopper.

"So tell me Charlie," Sayid says, shifting the Death Glare straight into Charlie's soul, "have you forgotten?"

And with that, it ends. Charlie sits on the beach wondering what the hell Sayid is up to. Sayid stirs in his anger and plots his next step.

At this rate, the season finale will showcase a collection of 14 independent anti-Other armies, each consisting of three castaways armed with sticks and pointy rocks. Jack and Ana-Lucia will miss the climactic battle when they sleep in after a night of body shots, Apollo Bars and Dharma erotic lotions. Sawyer will sell guns at 200% markup and earn enough to buy a new pair of reading glasses. And Sayid will save the day when he discovers that his Death Glare can actually be focused into a Death Ray. Oh yeah, it's gonna be great.

Point 2
Sayid During his beat-down session with Henry, Sayid alluded to a defining moment from his past when his torture skills were first put to use. We actually witness this moment in Sayid's backstory segments -- and we also witness an unusual connection between Sayid and Kate (that's right!). Here are the backstory high points:
  • After the U.S. invaded Iraq in the first Gulf War, the military used Sayid to translate during Iraqi interrogations. At one point, Sayid is asked to translate for his former commanding officer (a real nasty guy named Tariq). Tariq has knowledge about a captured U.S. helicopter pilot, but he isn't cooperating, so Sayid is brought in to both translate and prod his CO for information.

  • The prodding doesn't work. Tariq tells Sayid, on a number of occasions, to kill the U.S. guards and, while he's at it, to kill himself and salvage the small amount of honor he has left. Sayid, who at this point is a young, wide-eyed soldier, is shaken by these exchanges.

  • He gets shaken a whole lot more when a U.S. operative (played by the big dude from "Highlander") shows Sayid videotape from a chemical attack overseen by Tariq. The attack focused on a village inhabited by Sayid's relatives, and what happens to them isn't pretty (we don't actually see the results, but the screaming and thrashing heard on the tape suggest some very bad stuff). The U.S. operative, seizing the opportunity to play upon Sayid's need for vengeance, shoves a big wooden box toward him.

  • Later, we learn what that box contains: a variety of picking, cutting, grabbing, slicing and dicing devices (manufactured by Ronco!). It's a torture kit, and Sayid is enlisted to "extract" information from Tariq. At first, Tariq mocks Sayid, telling him he'll never hurt a commanding officer, especially since he's the "son of a great hero" (an interesting new Sayid fact). But then Tariq gets nasty, ordering Sayid to suffocate himself with a plastic bag. He punctuates this suicide demand with a thick wad of spit, aimed directly at Sayid's eye. Sayid slowly picks up a pair of pliers. He looks directly at Tariq and there, appearing for the very first time, is the Death Glare.

  • Sayid soon returns the wooden box to the U.S. operative. His hands are splattered with blood and his eyes are wedged deep into his sockets. He softly reveals Tariq's information: The downed helicopter pilot was killed and buried days ago. Apparently, those pliers worked.

  • In the final backstory segment, Sayid tells the U.S. operative that what he made him do is something no human should ever have to do to another. The operative has some parting words for Sayid, as well. In Arabic, the operative says: "One of these days, there will be something you need to know. And now ... you know how to get it."

  • Turning to the hinted-at Kate connection: When Sayid is first enlisted to translate, he works with a sergeant who looks eerily familiar. That eerie familiarity turns to overt recognition at the very end of the episode when the sergeant asks Sayid if he has a wife and kids. When Sayid answers "no," the sergeant looks down at a photograph in his hand. The picture shows a young girl with long brown hair and ... freckles. It's Kate! And the sergeant is Kate's adopted father! He's the same guy Kate visits in "What Kate Did," and you'll recall that for a brief moment during this visit, Sayid is seen on a television in the background.

  • One last observation from the backstory: When Sayid is first taken prisoner, the background scene shows black smoke from an oil well billowing in the distance. It's an image that looks an awful lot like the black smoke that arced across the island sky in the Season One finale.
Point 3
Jack

Locke
Jack and Locke need to go to couples therapy. They spent most of this episode bitching and moaning, and they almost came to blows during the aforementioned "countdown incident." Even worse, they've each got their own sneaky secrets, but they're not doing a very good job keeping those secrets.

For example: When Sayid first locks himself in the armory with Henry, Jack's protests are met with this response from Locke:

"You're raising an army," Locke says, surprising Jack with knowledge of his little army plan. "And why you didn't ask me to help, well that's your business, but there's only one reason to raise an army, Jack. And that's because we're at war. And like it or not, whatever Sayid has to do behind that door, that's a part of it, too."

In one brief exchange, Locke managed to be wounded, passive aggressive and condescending (the trifecta!). The combined power of Oprah and Dr. Phil couldn't untangle this Gordian knot.

Point 4
Sawyer

Hurley
In a bizarre sub-plot, Sawyer blackmails Hurley into helping him capture a tree frog.

I'm not making this up.

Sawyer, who last season was haunted by a rogue boar, uses his keen Beastmaster skills in this episode to track and eradicate a croaking tree frog. The frog is driving Sawyer batty (froggy?) and Sawyer, with time on his hands and guns at his disposal, decides to tromp through the woods on a frogger expedition.

Along the way, he stumbles upon Hurley, and Hurley is none-too-pleased to be found.

I need to provide a little context for this next bit. One of the most persistent "Lost" questions is: Why hasn't Hurley lost any weight? The late Leslie Artz referred to this exact conundrum moments before he exploded ("Where are you hiding the carbs?!"). This is also the question most often posed by my own Mom ("Why is that guy still so big?" she asks, preferring to divert her focus from equally perplexing questions like: "How did they survive the plane crash?" or "Why are there polar bears on a tropical island?" or even "Why does Ana-Lucia only have one facial expression?").

In this episode, we finally get our answer to the Hurley mystery: He's eating ... a lot.

SHOCKER!

You see, Sawyer discovers that he isn't the only one with a secret stash. At the beginning of Season Two, you'll recall that Hurley was assigned the task of rationing -- and later, distributing -- the Hatch food supplies. He appears to have "rationed" a significant percentage of the foodstuffs for himself.

Sawyer actually catches Hurley mid-bite (Hurley is dipping chips into an enormous tub of Dharma ranch dressing). Upon closer inspection, Sawyer discovers an array of Dharma-approved junk food. Hurley pleads with Sawyer not to tell the group. Sawyer proposes a deal: If Hurley helps him find the tree frog, Sawyer will keep Hurley's secret.

I can't believe I'm still writing about this.

So, to conclude this tree-frog-ranch-dressing plot, Hurley and Sawyer eventually find the frog. Hurley offers to relocate the creature to a distant part of the island. Sawyer has another idea. He crushes the wee little frog in his palm, then smirks at Hurley: "I hear with a little ranch, they taste just like chicken."

And then it ends. Weirdest ... subplot ... ever.

That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Pilot Parts 1 & 2" -- Go back to the beginning with this two-hour rebroadcast of the pilot episode. Airs: Wednesday, Feb. 22, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.


Isn't Henry Gale the name of Dorothy Gale's uncle (and Aunt Em's husband)in "The Wizard of Oz?" If so, I guess the hot air balloon reference relates to that.

#1. Posted by: marie at February 16, 2006 10:35 AM

Zeke was the another uncle in Wizard of Oz and is also Sawyer's nickname for the bearded Other.

#2. Posted by: JRaw at February 16, 2006 10:38 AM

An African or a European swallow?

#3. Posted by: SnakeJake at February 16, 2006 10:39 AM

Heh heh. That joke never gets old ;) -- Mac

#4. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 10:41 AM

Ok, who has a screenshot of the red timer icons?

#5. Posted by: Zeppo at February 16, 2006 10:43 AM

I second that. I haven't been able to find that screencap yet, so if anyone has it, please post the link. It was a pain the *ass* describing those icons and I'm sure the screencap will be much more enlightening than my drivel -- Mac

#6. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 10:47 AM

There's a chance that these hieroglyphics are what the clock showed after it counted to Zero.

Also, I am disturbed that Sayid would resort to torture again after what he did to Sawyer last season. But at the same time, I agree with Locke, they consider themselves at War now, and this is a part of it. I can only assume that we will learn that Mr. Henry Gale is indeed an "Other" (to which Henry moaned "An other what?").
Kudos to the writers for working in Hurley's weight issue. I knoew they wouldn't just leave that alone : )

#7. Posted by: Sarah at February 16, 2006 10:51 AM

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/Alyson3783/hieroglyphs.jpg

This is the hieroglypic link.

#8. Posted by: Sarah at February 16, 2006 10:52 AM

Here is a link to the screen shot of the symbols.
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/glyphs.jpg


#9. Posted by: kingnothing at February 16, 2006 10:53 AM

Great review as always, Mac...thanks again for providing the best Lost blog/forum on the net, in my opinion.
I have two points:
1. It's intersting that Jack was really hell-bent on seeing that counter go down to zero. He even said to Locke that he WANTS to see what happens. Or else, why wouldn't he have just reset it himself while Locke was unlocking the armory?

2. There was definitely something to that look between Henry and Sayid. Well, the actor's on for six episodes, so I think he WILL turn out to be an Other and will be killed.

#10. Posted by: christina at February 16, 2006 10:56 AM

'Zeke' was not a member of the Gale family. He was one of the farmhands; the Kansas farm analog to the Cowardly Lion, both played by Burt Lahr. So far, no one on the island is named 'Hunk' (Scarecrow) or 'Hickory' (Tinman), yet.

I've no doubt, however, that the 'Henry Gale' name was a nod to the "Wizard of Oz", especially when you combine it with the bit about the hot air balloon.

#11. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 16, 2006 11:08 AM

Anyone else think sawyer is going to have a grudge aginst every type of animal on the island before its all over?
season 1: Boar
season 2: Frog
season 3: chupacabra?

#12. Posted by: Adam at February 16, 2006 11:09 AM

Thanks Mac for the great wrap up! I am sooo glad to have found you! We had our tv emergency green screen with ear piercing squelch right at the scene where the crazy French woman gives the gun up to Sayid, so thanks again for filling me in to what I missed.

Anybody got a link to the screenshot of young 'Freckles'/Kate? I totally didn't make the connection...duh.

#13. Posted by: GeekyGal at February 16, 2006 11:09 AM

I think the symbols on the countdown clock (after it hit zero) were Egyptian hieroglyphs. Not sure what significance that might have, but there ya go ...

#14. Posted by: D at February 16, 2006 11:11 AM

Can't remember what the icons were exactly, or indeed what all the bases were called... but wasn;t one of them the Swan, the other the Arrow etc...

Isn't that what the icons were all about?

#15. Posted by: Alex in Scotland at February 16, 2006 11:13 AM

So, once again we have an "Other" about to talk and once again Jack-ass needs to stick his nose in and ruin it for everyone. Last time he was in a possition of weakness but he pumped up his chest and got all tough. This time they have an Other at an extreme disadvantage, yet Jack goes all sissy on us.

At some point the rest of the passengers are going to realize that in order survive on the island they are going to need some answers about the others, and in order to get those answers they are going to have to kill Jack.

Not that getting answers is the only reason to kill Doctor Idoit. A couple of days ago he was ready to form an amatuer army to go a provoke the superior forces of the others on their home turf like that wouldn't get everyone killed. This episode he risks god knows what, preventing Locke from entering the numbers so he can interupt Sayid's fact finding mission. Doesn't he feel he should consult the other 815 passengers before he makes decisions that are highly likely to put their lives in jeopardy?

I think our survivors should get together and elect Jin to go deliver Jack a "message" like he did for his last employer. If they tell Jin Jack was the one who kidnapped Sun in order to work up fear for his army recruiting, that would get him in the propper mindset.

#16. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 16, 2006 11:28 AM

And wasn't it a bit touching to hear Sawyer actually refer to Hurley as Hurley for once?
Mac, you are the BEST!I feel like I haven't really seen the episode until I have read your recap.
I just reviewed that part with the photo of Kate. It's defiinately her-at a young age, I think. I'll try to photograph my TV screen and post it for you all. (Unless someone beats me to it!)

#17. Posted by: Tazbee at February 16, 2006 11:29 AM

just a nitpick: Iraqis speak Arabic, not Iraqi :)

When is the next new episode?? Frak Repeats!

#18. Posted by: Geoff at February 16, 2006 11:36 AM

I don't think that the sergeant was Kates dad. Is anyone able to check the actors name in this episode and in 'What Kate Did'?

#19. Posted by: RD at February 16, 2006 11:39 AM

Got the pic of young Kate:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/youngKate.jpg

#20. Posted by: GeekyGal at February 16, 2006 11:39 AM

Geoff -- Excellent point. I made the change. Apparently, my cultural ignorance increases the later it gets (at 2 a.m. I'm pretty sure I was hallucinating).

#21. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 11:42 AM

why would any survivor want to kill off jack? First of all in reality that would never fly since he is the main focus of the show itself. Second on the show it wouldn't make sense to kill off the only person with medical experience since every week someone has a major injury. I'll admit that it was out of character for Jack to be against the torture since it was he who suggested Sayid do the same to Sawyer. BUT he is a doctor and did take an oath to do no harm. So maybe he was just conflicted. It would be a grave injustice for the survivors to kill him off as well since it was he who saved many of their lives on the first day.

#22. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 11:50 AM

Mac, I just stumbled onto this site last week - it's the best Lost blog on the web, hands down. Thanks for the hard work.

Now, can someone please explain to me why Sayid was so eager to let Henry Gale go when he first saw him caught in French Chick's net: he cut him down, untied him, and let him run off into the woods, no worries.

But then, later, Sayid's torture-side comes out & all of a sudden he thinks Henry is an Other? When did Sayid's opinion of Henry change? Why was he so willing at first to let Henry run off, and then later so convinced that Henry was an Other? Doesn't make sense to me.

#23. Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2006 12:04 PM

Maybe it was just because he saw how determined Rousseau was that he was an Other, and he believed her. He seems to know when people are telling the truth or lying.

#24. Posted by: christina at February 16, 2006 12:08 PM

top episode, i think that guy is definitely an other, the look he gave when syed was dragged away confirmed it, WAR!!!!!

#25. Posted by: adam at February 16, 2006 12:09 PM

some other points of interest:

1.
Gale's from: Minnesota...Owned a Mining Company...
That's 3M: The "Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company".

2.
The hieroglyphics after counter hit oo translate as "cause to die". See this link:
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/glyphs.jpg

#26. Posted by: gryvatz at February 16, 2006 12:13 PM

This episode is riddled with character discrepancies. Jack, who was so eager to let Sayid torture Sawyer, in season one, about information about Shannon's inhalers, and wants to start an army, is totally against Sayid now torturing an outsider who may be one of the Others. Locke, a normally cool thinking, even keeled type, is all for it. Sawyer shows a soft side and feels bad about calling Hurley fat. Finally, Sayid the torturer originally lets this stranger go only to realize the near grave mistake after Rousseau shoots him with an arrow.
This could all be leading to major character development later on but for now lets just observe the fact that every man (or woman) on the island has at least two sides to him.

#27. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 12:16 PM

The hieroglyphics probably mean something like: 'CAUSE TO DIE.' (lost.cubit.net)

Wasn't it great to see Sayid again for a whole episode? He was one of my favs until Mr. Eko came along.

I wonder who would win in a Death Glare Battle. A Triple Threat Match between Lock, Eko and Sayid.

#28. Posted by: SnakeJake at February 16, 2006 12:20 PM

Oh, I left one out. Hurley, our lovable trustworthy teddy bear, who distributed all the food in one night so as not to cause an eventual internal war, horded an unknown amount of food from the pantry to keep for himself! Blasphemy! Where did we go wrong Hugo? Where did we go wrong? Basically this episode humanized many of the characters and made them more believable.

#29. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 12:20 PM

Haven't we seen those symbols that came up, on other Dharma hatches? Could it be that those symbols each represent a hatch? Just a thought...

#30. Posted by: Lisa at February 16, 2006 12:22 PM

What a great job the writers are doing of creating an environment where nobody knows who they can or cannot trust. This whole 2nd season has showcased how difficult it is to determine truth from lies and reality from lunacy.

That being said, I have a MAJOR beef with the writers in this episode. The clock counted down to zero, right? Right. But apparently there is a grace period after zero. I was very disappointed that whatever was beginning to happen with the hieroglyphics/weird whirring noises stopped happening when Locke hit the button, even though the clock had expired. Lame.

Other than that, great episode. The dynamics between the characters are so much more sophisticated than anything else on network TV right now.

#31. Posted by: KG at February 16, 2006 12:23 PM

I just want to ask if anyone else caught the DHARMA symbol on the shark's tale back in 'Adrift.'

#32. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 12:23 PM

These recaps are great! I've been watching Lost since the beginning, but only discovered this site a couple of weeks ago. I can pick up all the little things I missed like past character "connections" (i.e. Sayid captured by Kate's "dad" or Jack choosing to save Sarah rather than Shannon's father) and the clever allusions in the writing (i.e. "An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" or the Glenn Miller Orchestra).

Anyway, my thought on Jack and the torture is this. Didn't Sawyer basically claim (or at least didn't deny) that he had Shannon's asthma inhaler medicine? They just wanted him to give it up. So they weren't really torturing an "innocent" man as far as they knew. As it turned out he never had the medicine, but they had no reason to believe that at the time. Maybe that's part of why Jack was hesitant to torture a man who was so vigorously protesting his innocence.

#33. Posted by: Bees at February 16, 2006 12:27 PM

I think Jack was right to stop the torturing. Sayid was obviously going psycho. Well, he always WAS a psycho. I want to believe Henry. I grew fond of him even if he's only been in one episode. He's going to be AT LEAST in six episodes, most probably more. I hope he won't die.

#34. Posted by: Ossit at February 16, 2006 12:31 PM

Agreed. But alot of time has passed since then and there have been numerous events that should have made Jack wary of any unknown people on the island. For those of us keeping score at home its Others: 1 murder (Scott or was it Steve), 3 kidnappings (Claire,Walt, the Stwewardess who's name I forgot), one attempted murder (Charlie). Survivors: 2 Murders (Ethan and Godwin). So Jack needs to get with the program and be a little suspicious.
PS I know there were other kidnappings by the Others I just cant remember the exact number.

#35. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 12:35 PM

It's foolish to believe Henry. That look at the end of the show said it all about him. He didnt have the look of a man who had just been terrorized and beaten. It was a smug look of a man who didn't crack against the worst Sayid could dish out.

#36. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 12:36 PM

When the Other "Henry Gale" claimed to have met his wife at the University of Minnesota, it reminded me of Greg and Karen Degroot at the University of Michigan.

Does anyone think there's some kind of connection there? It seems like he tried to pull a Verbal Kint, but not quite as skillfully. Why do all the Others seem to really good at creating fake backstories?

And do you think that Henry Gale got caught on purpose? Does he have psychic powers that allow him to read minds? Do any of the Others have psychic powers? Do all of them?

Was there really a man that crashed on the island in a balloon, and did the Others kill him? I hope that Sayid has a lot more time to torture this guy, but it looks like Jack-the-plot-device will keep the audience from getting too much information.

Hey, how many episodes are left in this season? I find it really interesting which episodes ABC is airing in between the new ones. I think the producers are asking the viewers to make connections between the old and the new. If that's correct, then what significance does the pilot have given the current context of the show?

Also, is it wrong of me to lust after Evangeline Lilly in the young picture of her we see in this episode? She was too young then, but she's plenty old now. Not that I would hit on her then. Or now, I guess, but still...


Love the reviews, mac! I can't wait until the producers ask you to write an episode.

#37. Posted by: Dan at February 16, 2006 12:38 PM

Great Mac - Love the Python reference. Talk about a Spanish Inquisition, eh? ;-)

#38. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 16, 2006 1:00 PM

I have TIVO and after the clocked ticked down to zero I watched the numbers roll in slow motion. Each number segment seemed to display a moving picture of some kind(like when you draw pictures on a pad and then flip through it real fast to make it look like the picture is moving). I don't have a hi-def T.V. so it wasn't very clear but there were definitely pictures of things being formed. Did anyone else try this and were you able to see anything?

#39. Posted by: M.E. at February 16, 2006 1:11 PM

Does anyone else think Sayid is a pretty annoying character? I mean, when he delivered the "I am a tor-tu-rer" line last night, I think I actually laughed out loud. Just a terrible actor. You're right, Mac - some of his lines were too 'soap opera' for this show. And when he was recounting to Henry how Shannon was killed - just brutal acting, so forced.

And Sayid's backstory provided very little. Yeah, we saw the Kate connection (which right now means very little), and it was kinda cool how the American guy really knew how to speak Arabic .. but other than that, what did we learn? Sayid was in the National Guard & he's good at torturing people. Whoop-dee-do.

I think Hurley's character is much more intriguing, being the main connection to the 'numbers' and all, and would love to see more of his backstory. Plus leaving Kate out of the entire episode is just totally wrong.

But I know I'm nitpicking - decent episode, great show.

#40. Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2006 1:13 PM

Did anyone get a good look at the logo on the new hatch door? I'd love to see a screenshot of it.

How many hatches do you think there are?
It's my opinion that there is either 5 or 6.
5 being the number of digits on the timer and 6 being the number of numbers in the universal LOST number (4 8 15 16 23 42).

#41. Posted by: RD at February 16, 2006 1:17 PM

My first thought, when seeing Hurley with the ranch dressing (besides a laugh) was SO WHAT? As I recall, Locke had Michael blow an entire jar of this ranch dressing away while teaching him to shoot. Probably more, surely it wasn't just the one shot. Ok, Hurley had some peanut butter too, and no doubt a couple of other items, but since Hurley gave so much to everyone else, I'm sure he would be cut slack for chips and dip. I think it was a total waste of time to try to explain why the actor, who ISN'T starving on an island, is the same size. And I have to agree, the whole frog subplot was just... strange. Did they think to make Sawyer a bigger bad@$$ because he mashed a frog? I didn't get it. I laughed when the hieroglyphs came up on the screen, first comment was, "Have to hit the blog tomorrow for a picture of that." An entertaining puzzle, but it seems hysterically obscure to work 3000 year old letters into your timing system, doesn't it? I look forward to what the preview showed, another D.H.A.R.M.A. station about to be revelead?

#42. Posted by: The Duf at February 16, 2006 1:17 PM

I thought there were six hatches, or 'stations.' Because when we see the 'Orientation' video, it says 'Station 3 of 6' or something like that. Right?

I'm thinking there's got to be more to the whole Hurley/Sawyer/frog incident. I don't know what - but I don't think the writers would 'waste' a whole segment on just explaining *how* Hurley has maintained his girth.

#43. Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2006 1:25 PM

The http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ site has changed!

There is now a night picture of the island, and a beacon shining up from some part of the island that is a link to http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

this could be old news, but this site USED to be the one with the seating chart did it not? and WHAT is the beacon?

#44. Posted by: Angus at February 16, 2006 1:32 PM

What if Henry Gale wasn't looking at Sayid when they were panning out of the new makeshift holding cell when Jack was pulling Sayid off of him. Here's a new idea to throw at you. If Henry Gale is an other and he knows about the hatch, maybe he was looking out to see if Locke was able to reset the clock, before all doomsday hit?

I mean I found it weird that he didn't ask Sayid or Jack where he was? I know if I had been living in a cave for four months I'd be wonder where in the world I was if I woke up in a concrete room with working electrical lights and all. I definetly think Mr. Gale is an other who knows a little more about the hatch than what we were given in last nights episode? What do you think?

#45. Posted by: Josh Sturgill at February 16, 2006 1:40 PM

wow mike, i think you're going to be the only one who feels that way about sayid. i LOVE him. i kept saying that to the tv (much to the dismay of the boyfriend ha ha). he is still one of my favorites i was so happy to see an ep about him.
mac-you made me laugh at loud a couple times reading this, anytime you can toss in a monty python and the holy grail (the greatest movie ever) refereance you should. also the part about jack peeing himself lord you should win an award.
this ep, i was very happy that -i- actually figured out that was kate. most of the time i miss those things (i admit it). it was also very interesting that the americans taught sayid hot to torture didn't see that one coming.
also wasn't the american dude in the xfiles? or er? and henry gale what is he from? he looked so stinkin familier to me, i was actually thinking he was in the show before. anyone?

#46. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at February 16, 2006 1:46 PM

I'll bet that there is some truth in Henry Gale's story. It is quite possible that he crashed on the island via the hot air ballon, but perhaps it occured much, much earlier than four months ago as he stated. Perhaps he crashed and then joined the Other's cult. They do like the "good" people, so maybe they liked him and he then went through the cult initiation.

Another thought that I had was that he mentioned that he *was* rich... perhaps he ended up meeting up with some Other's cult members out in the real world and gave his money to them before ending up on the island.

I don't know. Just some thoughts that I had that I didn't see posted yet.

Marty.

#47. Posted by: Marty at February 16, 2006 1:49 PM

what in the world happened to jack? mr. "let's not talk about it but just take guns and go after michael and after sun's kidnappers" now suddenly has a soft side for strangers??? total crap if you ask me!!! he was one of my favorite characters but lately all i wanna do is punch him in the face and knock him out everytime he even shows up!! (sorry i just had to get that out of my system!)

is anyone else having problems accessing the screen caps on lost.cubit.net for last night's episode? i keep getting a cannot find server message.

i was really disappointed with the timer countdown too but i believe that something has been set in motion and we will soon find out what it is. what i didn't get was how locke was so calm about it. maybe the timer is just a psychological tool to manipulate people and locke has figured it out but doesn't want anyone else to know?????

that definitely was kate's father in sayyid's backstory and that was her picture. somebody said it wasn't so just wanted to clarify.

anybody got any more info on those hieroglyphics?

great review once again mac. i kinda thought the epi sucked but after reading your review i like it a little better. any ideas when the next new epi will air?

#48. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at February 16, 2006 1:49 PM

Since it appears that the earlier link isn't working, here is a link to the photo of the alleged young Kate: http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo7vc.jpg

My thought is that it is actually a young picture of Evangeline Lilly and that was her dad... er, step-dad.

Marty.

#49. Posted by: Marty at February 16, 2006 1:53 PM

forgot to mention-i don't think we saw sawyer's soft side when he apologized to hurley for calling him fat. i think he just wanted his help to find the damn frog and since he didn't have the food stash blackmail weapon anymore he had no choice but to say sorry. sawyer and soft? in your dreams!!! HE IS MR. BAD ASS!!!

#50. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at February 16, 2006 1:58 PM

The next new episode, titled "Maternity Leave," will air on March 1.

#51. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 1:58 PM

I agree with Mac and some other commentators about the character discrepancies in this episode. Jack and Locke seemd to have reversed roles. The only explanation I can see is that Jack regrets the prior decision to torture Sawyer and/or he thought the last torture was more valid b/c Barbie was dying of asthma.

On another note, it is clear that the writers are making great efforts to show that Jack (or anyone else for that matter) is no longer in control. From the guns, to not calling Jack about the injured Other, to the decision to torture, Jack is officially out of the loop. New and suprising alliances are forming, that is also clear.

#52. Posted by: texasrobster at February 16, 2006 2:03 PM

One other thing I thought was worth mentioning. Rousseau gave us some info about the Others. She KNEW that Henry Gale would lie for a long time. To me, this indicates that the Others have some kind of psychological training or resolve or even fanaticism that makes them mentally strong. Another tidbit to let us know how bad-ass the Others are.

#53. Posted by: texasrobster at February 16, 2006 2:12 PM

I missed the last 5 mins because the TV blacked out with an AMBER Alert. So, I'm in the dark from right after Sayid went psycho and closed the armory door on Henry Gale up to when they dropped him off in the middle of the desert with the bus fare. I want to know scene for scene, line-by-line what happened! Did they find out for sure if he was lying?

I knew it was Kate's father right away. I could tell my the shape of his mouth when he spoke. It was obvious! The other guy I thought just *might* have been Zeke because his voice was so familiar. I guess not, but I did realize it was that badass guard, Byron Hadley, from "The Shawshank Redemption."

#54. Posted by: Trinity at February 16, 2006 2:39 PM

Well, while I think Henry is an 'other' and is lying, I don't necessarily agree that it's proven yet, just because Crazy French Chick says so. Rememeber, as Jack pointed out, she thought Sayid was an 'other,' and we all know how that one turned out. And remember, she's crazy. Don't put too much stock in her 'info.'

#55. Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2006 2:39 PM

Angus - the site you are thinking about is www.oceanic-air.com

Josh - Henry did in fact ask a couple of times where he was - once when Jack started to operate on him and once in the armory.

Great recap, thanks for the info. Does anyone have a non photobucket, working screen cap of the heiroglyphics? Photobucket is websensed out for me (damn Federal Govt!).

#56. Posted by: Adam at February 16, 2006 2:42 PM

This is absolutely the most perspicacious, intelligent, brilliant site on the internet when it comes to LOST! I've been reading your reviews for several weeks now and this is the first I've posted. Thanks so much, Mac! You are the greatest!!

I, too, think there is more to the frog story. I thought tree frogs were poisonous, but was told, no, only if you boil their secretions...

But... still, I wonder. Sawyer did say, "This frog is killing me." Foreshadowing?

#57. Posted by: momof2js at February 16, 2006 2:48 PM

Let us all remember that Kate's dad isn't really here dad. The military father she thought was her biological father technically is her step-father. It was all in What Kate Did.

#58. Posted by: Marie at February 16, 2006 2:53 PM

Adam,
Will this help?

http://homepage.mac.com/awaspaas/.Pictures/lost.jpg

#59. Posted by: momof2js at February 16, 2006 2:53 PM

Interesting theory momof2js.

I immediately thought about the frog being poisonous (when Sawyer first picked it up). The only problem with this theory is that poisonous dart frogs have very bright colors and this frog did not.

As far as Sawyer saying that the frog is "killing" him, I saw the actor that plays Charlie on Jay Lenno and he DID say that more people would die this season (notice he said people and not person).

#60. Posted by: RD at February 16, 2006 3:06 PM

The links to hieroglyphs aren't working. and I would really like to see them. I also agree that each glyph is represented by a separate hatch, the hatch they're in is a crane the other was a arrow the one in the next episode looks like two serpants inner woven. and I also noticed a bit of animated flashing going on when the numbers fliped to glyphs. Perhaps all the hatchs have a count down device
that they are all connected, do they all rely on each other not to run down. I wonder if this has anything to do with the relationships on the island howw we are all reliant on eachother but at the same time we want to distroy eachother.

#61. Posted by: al at February 16, 2006 3:11 PM

josh holloway is proabably in the top three with regards to popular characters on the show so I can't say I could see him biting the bullet. So far they have only killed off characters that the show could do without like Shannon, Boone and Arzt. I know Shannon and Boone were main characters but I mean they were both really annoying and Sayid really needed something to be pissed about to get angry enough to torture again.

#62. Posted by: JAC at February 16, 2006 3:11 PM

I just saw alink to the glyphs and the one that looked like a bird wasn't a crane or swan it is crow or something like that. Since in egyptian glyphs there is a symbol of a crane, I going back on what I just said I dont think they have any thing to do with the number of hatchs or represent any hatchs

#63. Posted by: al at February 16, 2006 3:19 PM

Quick, random question: does anyone know where I can find Mac's write-ups for Season 1? I can't find them anywhere on the site. Thanks.

#64. Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2006 3:24 PM

Mike -- All of the reviews are available under the Lost Reviews link on the right-hand side of this page. The direct link is:

http://www.filmfodder.com/tv/lost/archives/cat_lost_reviews.shtml

Hope that helps! -- Mac

#65. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 3:27 PM

Got it, thanks.

#66. Posted by: Mike at February 16, 2006 3:42 PM

Before I say this, I will state that I am one of the strongest Lost defenders. I don't mind being patient while the mystery unfolds, season after season. However, the writers and the promoters need to tone down the build-up which almost always leaves us disappointed. Exibit "A" is listed below.

"an elusive island creature" = a tree frog

What the....

#67. Posted by: texasrobster at February 16, 2006 3:49 PM

texasrobster -- you bring up an excellent point. I couldn't figure out a good way to work it into a review, but I, too, take umbrage with the breathless episode descriptions. I tend to think these are crafted by a marketing department rather than the writers themselves.

The one that really stuck in my craw was the note about "Hurley's big secret." The way it was written, I figured Hurley was an Other. But no. His "secret" is that he's hiding food.

#68. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 4:02 PM

I also had an Amber Alert at the beginning of my episode which knocked out the show's sound...luckily I was able to rewind the DVR and hit 'mute' to turn on the subtitles!

Mac, that was your most ENTERTAINING and informative review yet. Please don't ever get hit by a bus...and if you do, please have the courtesy to just go into a temporary coma instead of croaking.

Speaking of croaking, I was rooting for the frog! They really went out of their way to again show Sawyer as a heartless bastard. But it's gonna come back to him soon. That whole Sawyer/Hurley side-story seemed so trivial. Hopefully it will have much more significance later.

They must film multiple episodes at once since each episode is usually missing so many characters. No Kate/Claire this time, but they'll be centric in the next new show.

Did anyone notice it was RAINING when Claire found the door in the preview? That could only mean TTTTTTTTrouble!

#69. Posted by: JoePike at February 16, 2006 4:28 PM

Didn't Rousseau say that she worked for a mining company?
Henry Gale owned a mining company?

#70. Posted by: EvilGator at February 16, 2006 4:29 PM

Henry's hair is a little too well maintained to have been holed up in a cave for 3 months. It's interesting; as I recall it, Evan had a similarly well-coiffed head of hair. In my opinion, this program is way to particular about getting the "little things" right, so I'm guessing that it's not an oversight and Henry in, in fact, a member of the Others.

#71. Posted by: Brian at February 16, 2006 4:30 PM

JoePike -- Whenever I see a bus, I'll be sure to set my internal organs for "coma" rather than "croak" ;) Glad you enjoyed the review!

Brian -- If I remember correctly, the other Other (Goodwin), was also surprisingly well tailored.

#72. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 4:33 PM

I remarked on the same thing last night. Goodwin, Ethan and now the alleged Henry all seemed to be well kempt, while the spokesperson and leader of the Others looks like he rolls around in the mud and collects twigs in his beard. Perhaps this helps supports the theory that there are multiple tribes of Others on the island.

#73. Posted by: Aimee at February 16, 2006 4:44 PM

Jack: how do you know he is one of the others did he tell you?

Sayid: No, but look at his hair its bouncy and well maintained and smells like strawberries.

#74. Posted by: bcooklti at February 16, 2006 4:48 PM

JAC, I believe, or at least hope, that the makers of the show will not be afraid to kill off really popular characters when they need to.

#75. Posted by: qkrnxtl at February 16, 2006 4:49 PM

I'm distressed that Sawyer, one of my favorite characters, has crossed over from a wounded, guilt ridden guy with a hilarious attitude to anti-social psycopath. These are the traits:
1. Glib and charming
2. Facility with lies
3. Egocentric and narcissistic
4. Short tempered and violent
5. Unable able to love or empathise
6. Lack of conscience
7. Risk taker and law breaker
8. Cruelty to animals
Really wanted to believe the bad boy had a heart, but I am so not happy with him now.

#76. Posted by: KH at February 16, 2006 5:20 PM

There is one thing that bothered me about this episode. On of the American army officials said that they had pulled Sayid's file and that is how they knew that he had family in that town. However, later on Kate's step-dad had to ask him if he had a wife or kids. Would this not be in his file since his relatives living in that town were? It makes me think that there was never any file pulled on him and that the whole "chemical test" was a fake video to make him do things he did not want to do.
Other than that, I think that Sayid's back story is getting old, I understand that he is a torturer. I wish that they would bring in some other dimension to his character, some more depth perhaps.
Another thing thatld like to find out is how much Rausseau knows about the others. It seems clear to me from her comments in this show and her bunker set up complete with torturing devices from the first season that she has tortured at least one if not more of them in the past. Also, from season one and her attempted baby swap it does seem that she may know how to contact them.
One point about Henry Gale's story, in the first season, when Jack first met Desmond, if I remember correctly, Desmond mentioned that he was training for some sort of race around the word, was that in a baloon, I do not remember. However, that look that he gave was deffinitly the look of a man who was not concerned as most men would be if shot with a make shift cross bow and then tortured by a genuine Iraqui.
And one last thing about the countdown. With the symbols and the mechanical noise, all I could think of is that each of the six stations were going to form into one voltron like super station and go off to destroy the world.
Thats all for know.

Hubguy

#77. Posted by: hubguy at February 16, 2006 5:25 PM

funny review, stupid episode.

Maybe there's a simple reason why characters begin to behave unpredictably: there are (too) many different writers for Lost and they seem to have quite different ideas about character development. Some people have noticed this before - the Lost story is getting inconsistent at some points and yes, it could really become a bad, yet complex, soap opera. The same had happened with "Alias" at some point (and there's this JJ Abrams connection...): one half of a season a character was the "good guy" until we learned about their dirty little plans at the end of the season... In my opinion, this scheme got worse and worse from season to season. Now Vaughn is "dead" in season 5 until he'll probably reappear at the end, because Sid gave him something "special" to drink... SOAP, SOAP, SOAP. I hope this will never happen to Lost. They should better bring it to an end after season 2 (or maybe 3), but please, NO LONGER!

I think this episode sucked for a couple of reasons:
- it delves too much into real-world problems (similar to this annoying 24-series) like torture and the war on Iraq. We can see this every day in the news, so there's no place for this on Lost in my opinion.
- I don't like the "one-armed bandid" idea at all. Why should someone implement something that silly? When it goes to zero, it explodes (or whatever), but WHY does it have to show silly symbols on the display at all?
- character development sucked. There are definitely too many storylines on Lost at the moment. They even can't keep the characters plausible anymore.

#78. Posted by: Margot at February 16, 2006 5:36 PM

Henry had shoes and the Others don't

#79. Posted by: Jack at February 16, 2006 5:44 PM

Sawyer has definitely put some bad karma onto himself by killing that frog, you wait and see.

Has anyone heard any estimates as to how long the creators would LIKE this show to go? Obviously TV only lasts as long as popularity dictates, but I'm curious if there is a 3-yr plan, 5-yr plan, what? To use a far-flung example, I can't see this show on 10 years from now. I just do not believe they would be able to keep it fresh that long.

One other comment on the hieroglyphs that I have not seen mentioned yet: it didn't seem like the numbers were simply yielding to some 'pre-set' value. You could see a color change of sorts as the symbols started to 'roll into place', which means (in theory) it doesn't have just one word to put up, but that many values are possible. No doubt that Locke got the numbers in too late, I think we all mostly agree there, but the system was willing to reset (grudingly, it seemed) as it had not -quite- finished whatever combination it was trying to select. A few seconds more, and I don't think the reset would have worked. So, at some point, that's surely what we will see happen.

#80. Posted by: The Duf at February 16, 2006 5:46 PM

A few thoughts in no particular order:

Interesting that the ranch dressing stays good for 7 years without refrigeration. This may answer some questions as to how long the food had been sitting in the hatch....I'm perplexed at how many characters not on the plane need to be reconciled. Are the Zeke 'others' and Ethan 'others' connected (I don't think so).... You would also think Danielle would be easy for the Others to pick off, being alone in the jungle and all-are they leaving her alone?....Where does Desmond fit into this mess? I think the Others like Henry and Ethan are programmed and part of a mind-control experiment..less not forget that the island is set up as a series of experiments.

#81. Posted by: ajudicator at February 16, 2006 5:46 PM

Hubguy
Why would you think all of the American soldiers would have access to the file that was presented to Sayid? Only one American soldier confronted Sayid with his file. In my dealings with the military, it is a as you need to know basis. I don't think that Sayid's information was need to know for everyone. Only the American soldier in charge needed to know. It did not seem odd that Kate's step-father didn't know about Sayid's family.
Also, Sayid's story offered some new information last night. 1. He was first a torturer for the United States. 2. He is the son of an Iraqi hero. 3. He has had contact with Kate's family. 4. His family was seriously injured or killed by his own people.
Hmmm. I think that it wasn't just about him being a torturer. It is what led him to be a torturer. His talent is he can get the information out of people that he wants to get?and he knows if it is the truth.
Margot, sorry you feel like you do about the show. Maybe you should just stop watching.

#82. Posted by: marie at February 16, 2006 5:49 PM

Duf,
It is a five year plan according to the creators of the show.

#83. Posted by: marie at February 16, 2006 5:52 PM

Interesting, so we aren't even halfway. Thanks Marie!

#84. Posted by: The Duf at February 16, 2006 5:53 PM

First time posting, but I've been reading for about a month and a half. Great reviews mac! I look forward to reading your review almost as much as watching the episode itself. Great stuff!

I, like you Mac, believe this show is hitting it's creative stride. The writers for this show know what they are doing and where they are heading. As far as last night's supposed character inconsistencies- I'm reminded of a recent interview with Matthew Fox(I believe it was in TV guide, but not sure) where he states that by the end of season two more people will be dead(and he includes the possibility of his own character Jack)and almost everyone will trust no one. I fail to believe the show's writers aren't aware of, and in control of, what we percieve to be character inconsistencies. I believe this season is heading towards a HUGE finale. Have faith fans!

The big american soldier from "Highlander" and "The Shawshank Redemption" is an excellent actor by the name of Clancy Brown.

Henry Gale, while I can't remember his real name, is another fine character actor who has been in a hundred things. One of his more recent ones was the film "Saw" where he played the disturbed hospital orderly who was holding star, Cary Elwes, family hostage.

Mac...again great stuff here...keep it up!

#85. Posted by: scorpio95628 at February 16, 2006 6:08 PM

Marie,
I understand the concept of a need to know basis, I just thought that Kate's Step father was in the room when the room when the video tape was show to Sayid so he would have been aware of such information. I do however, have to disagree that this back story was about how Sayid became a torturer, it was again about the dual nature that exists inside of every human, the potential for good and the potential for evil, evidenced by Sayid's comment that he realized that this ability to torture was inside of him all along. This is a common theme of this show with the Other's only taking the good one's etc... and is a common religious idea started with Zorastrians and continuing through almost every religion in existence today and that again is the reason for all the religious undretones of the show, i.e. Mr. Eko's Jeus Stick. I'm just saying that it would be interesting to bring in another aspect of Syaid rather than the conflicted torturer role always having to decide beteween his Friends or whaterever and his duty that is put upon him as this is all that we have seen of him. I think there could be more to the charicter.
I also agree with Margot to an extent, but only in relation to this episode. I just think that this is the low episode in the season and that the show is still great as I look forward to watching it every week. My only real complaint about the show is that this year seems to have too many breaks. The first season there were 24 or 25 episodes and I don't think that we are going to see that high of a number this year with all of the repeats that are being shown.
By the way, for anyone that missed part of the episode due to the amber alert, you can buy each episode on itunes for 1.99 which is totally worth it because you can pause and watch in slow motion etc...

That's all for now

#86. Posted by: hubguy at February 16, 2006 6:26 PM

Danielle may know that Henry would lie for a long time because she may have a history of torturing Others herself. She certainly was good to go with the rack and electrical shocks when she caught Sayid in her trap. Also, if she has been on the island for 16 years or so, she has had plenty of time to snare an Other or two.

Sawyer may need to worry about new karma he bought when he crushed that frog. When he let the boar go, the "It'll come back around" whispering was shushed. That frog squish might just come back around and cost him later. Remember - the writers have a reason for EVERYTHING they do, and this is not the last we have heard of this.

#87. Posted by: kcleahrose at February 16, 2006 6:27 PM

@marie
I'd like to see this show keeping its quality until the end. They won't be able to keep it interesting for 5 years. At the moment we see a totally new side in each character almost EVERY week (Jack, Chalie, Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, ...). I really think they should bringt the story to an end as long it is interesting.

But ABC doesn't seem to work like this. A show runs as long as it's provitable and not as long as it's good. "As long as it's provitable" for most shows means that it runs (at least) one season longer than it should according to the storyline.

Don't get me wrong - I did enjoy Lost in the past and I sure will enjoy some more episodes. My whole point is that they should bring it to an end at the right time, which means not to bloat the story just for the sake of letting the show run longer and longer. These surprises in character development won't be surprising forever and somehow I really don't care as much about these numbers as I did at the beginning of season two...

#88. Posted by: Margot at February 16, 2006 6:35 PM

Just one more thing, are we sure that it is Henry Gail and not Henry Gail, as an annogram for Henry Gail is Hear Lying and A Her Lying. I was not sure if his name was in the credits or anything.

#89. Posted by: hubguy at February 16, 2006 6:38 PM

For the "Henry had shoes and the Others don't" comment:

Was Ethan wearing shoes?

#90. Posted by: schiano at February 16, 2006 6:58 PM

Wow....what an episode . Some points i found breathtakingly arousing are as follows:
- I am now undeniabely certain that Locke has something to do with Dharma. It seems as if Locke was so scared of what would happen when the clock struck 0:00 that he: raced back to the computer, nervously typed in wrong numbers, saw that the numbers had gotten to zero, SAW the mysterious figures pop up instead of the numbers and then TYPES IN AN UNKNOWN CODE to reset the timer after it already counted down! Did anyone notice that?! This is insane!!! Maybe he doesn't want the losties to know what will happen, or maybe it was too early for the clock to strike zero. Can anyone expand on this and add their opinion?
- Does anyone think that the general/officer/whatever - whom we see Sayid talking to numerous times throughout the episode - is the man we know as Zeke. He has that noticeable, grizzly voice and the white facial hair Zeke is known for. Also he promised Sayid would use his torturing skills again after Sayid said he would not. Anyone else agree on this comment?
- I also think that Locke - apart from being connected with DHARMA - is the moderator of our group here. He sets everything in place through his own discretion. i.e regulating charlie to not touch the baby, making the decision to change the lock combination. He's the one who will help guide the group to the secret of the island and LOST.

A little farfethed? Possibly. I'm just trying to arouse some wild ideas. Thanks for the great review and web site Mac and with this we would not have the same outlook on Lost as we would without.

#91. Posted by: RM at February 16, 2006 7:21 PM

Mac,
awesome review i must say.

kcleahrose, yes i definitely agree. the writers do have a reason for everything they do.

See, I think that when Sawyer squashed the poor wittle tree frog =(, that some poison might seep through his skin or something.

And does anyone,have a video link for the "cartoon" with the hierogliphs? I thought that was real interesting. But what the hell was up with the gliphs? that really pissed me off cuz i thought i was gonna see like a massive Black Smoke invasion.

But i like how Jack is getting his Bad-assness out. I wouldn't shove Obi-Wan/Mr.Clean into a wall and ORDER him to open the lock.


But for the Previews for next episode.... WOW. Thats all i can say. WOW. Because, they're giving a Claire flashback on the island.(mind you this is the first island flashback we've had.) What the hell could be in that DHARMA hatch. Is Alavr Hanso gonna be in there or what?

And as for the Young-Kate picture... HOW? how does everbody on the island know/know OF each other. ITS RACKING MY DAMN BRAIN HERE!!!
And Sayid. WHOA. He beat the living piss out of Henry. Yeah, how is Henry perfectly tailored, and claim to be a victim of a "HOT-AIR BALLOON" crash. I mean do you actually take an Iraqi TORTURER(key word.), for a fool? And that smug little look he had on his face. what a BASTARD. were gonna see a kidnapping attempt soon i do believe on little Aaron.

AND WHEN THE IS MICHAEL COMING BACK!!!??? What the hell happened to him. Is he dead, is he kidnapped by the Others, is he alive somewhere going mentally insane!?

Amd one episode without Eko. MURPHDOGG NEEDS MR.EKO. He's the coolest dude on the island. Before him i thought Sayid, and Sawyer. But Eko blows them out of the water!

And i really want to see if Walt talks backwards.
I heard that from like 9,000 people already. So if you can send me a video link of Walt... I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT!

That is the end of my massively long post.


Murphdogg.


#92. Posted by: murphdogg at February 16, 2006 7:41 PM

why the hell did it double post!?

#93. Posted by: murphdogg at February 16, 2006 7:43 PM

he Mac any possoble way u could delete one of those 2 posts?

Danke Schoen(german for thank u very much.)

#94. Posted by: murphdogg at February 16, 2006 7:45 PM

Murphdog -- You got it! Anyone who can use the phrase "MURPHDOGG NEEDS MR.EKO" and make perfect sense (and crack me up) can have a post deleted anytime, anywhere! Seriously -- that killed me.

#95. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2006 7:47 PM

LOL. thnaks Mac. And i obviously see you are MASSIVE Eko fan too.

#96. Posted by: murphdogg at February 16, 2006 7:50 PM

OK, so I am a Homer who believes that the LOST writers are on top of their game - and doing a phenomenal job every week of keeping the plates of drama spinning. I don't believe we saw any character discrepancies in last night's episode:
1) Jack - I completely agree with 'Bees' that Jack's approval of torture when it came to recovering Shannon's insulin was completely different than torturing an unknown man who had shown no sign of aggression or covertness. Jack has a strong moral compass and always acts on it without any hesitation. If it means going to war to get back Walt, Michael, and who knows-all; or if it means leaving Shannon's father on a table to die so that he can treat his future wife; or [fill in the blank] -- the man does what he believes needs to be done. But torturing a possibly innocent man is not on Jack's approved moral code.
2) Sawyer - Here I agree with 'Kate+Sun=Fun'. Sawyer's brief niceties to Hurley were only to get help in finding the frog, not to show him in the least as having a soft-spot. Sawyer will do ANYTHING to ANYONE to get what he wants. He is a selfish man who is the anti-thesis to Jack's character.
3) Locke - Remember Locke was a bit of a pansy prior to the crash. In many of his flashbacks he is driven by self-doubt and feelings of inferiority. I think Locke is the most complicated and well-crafted character of the bunch, and I think the last couple weeks have shown a bit of a regression back to his pansinesss - #1: he lets Sawyer dupe him; #2: he lets Sayid dupe him; and finally #3) he lets himself get all panicked when Jack holds him against the wall rather than saying something wise and self-assured, such as, It's all in the hands of Fate now, Jack. Do what you must. I mean he was willing to get sucked down a hole by a monster, but he doesn't want to see what is on the other side of the those freakin' numbers?! Still, I think this is all part of the complexedness of one, John Locke.

#97. Posted by: JL815 at February 16, 2006 8:57 PM

great review again, Mac! (chuckle) and love everyone's insights. so, if the writers have a reason for *everything* they do, why do they keep bringing up the Steve/Scott confusion? Ana-Lucia said it last week, and it struck me odd, because Scott/Steve/whichever died long before she came around...

#98. Posted by: silkyway at February 16, 2006 9:00 PM

What a great episode! The Kate in the picture scene was good. And the balloon guy looks like an "other" to me now too.


Chris
http://amateureconblog.blogspot.com/

#99. Posted by: Christopher at February 16, 2006 9:20 PM

first of all, what a great synopsis. that was so informative. i really didn't catch the picture of kate, though i thought the guy did look familiar. i've also just discovered that henry gale is the name of dorothy's uncle in "the wizard of oz," and she takes off in a hot air balloon when she's leaving oz. so....either that's a REALLY big coincidence, or, gale is an other...or a dharma scientist...because he "was rich."

#100. Posted by: Kristen at February 16, 2006 9:30 PM

Maybe I am the only one that thinks this, but I got a "reverse psyhcology" vibe off Henry Gail/Gale when being interrogated by Sayid. By attempting to turn the tables and get Sayid to disclose that he, too, buried someone he loved, I felt as though he pulled a fast one on the
TOR-TU-RER and threw him off his game. I don't trust Mr. Henry Gail/Gale one bit and am completely convinced this guy is an Other (Maybe of the no-shoe-wearing sort that doesn't make noise when he walks...or wait...anyone notice that any time an Other has infilitrated the group, they are always well groomed? Ethan, Henry, Goodwin??? Maybe these are instructions from their Beard-With-Twigs-In-It leader....like they clean themselves up before heading out on an infiltratin' mission...). I think that by the end of his 6th episode, we will learn much more and he will have the information extracted from him...pun intended...

As for the poisonious frog theory...well, if the poison seeped into Sawyer's skin, then it did to Hurley too because Sawyer handed the smushed frog to him as he walked away....

As for the inconsistencies....I agree with others (no, not THOSE Others...) who have said they are not so much inconsistencies then they are developments in the story line....we are only in the middle of the second season....I think with patience, all will be revealed...

#101. Posted by: Vikki at February 16, 2006 9:59 PM

About the timer going past Zero, then resetting.

I believe that the timer is indeed, a fake, a test, and Locke just figured it out. Being that he entered the code late, and it still reset. He was the only one in the room, AND, he did not mention anything afterwards, though he did only have a short scene afterwards. Anyways, i think Locke thinks the timer is a fake, but since he was a believer in it before, hes going to keep it a secret and let everyone else play along with it like before

#102. Posted by: Alex at February 16, 2006 10:06 PM

Could it be that the Henry Gale/Wizard of Oz connection be yet another reference to the World War II era? I think Wizard of Oz came out just a few years before WW II and we've already had the gun, knife and Glenn Miller song from that time period.
By the way, this site and blog is terrific!

#103. Posted by: Jason at February 16, 2006 10:07 PM

Hi folks,


About the frog: An earlier post from momof2js said, "But... still, I wonder. Sawyer did say, "This frog is killing me." Foreshadowing?"


The frog appears to be a dark poison arrow frog. Poison arrow frogs are native to Central and South America. They have been artificially introduced to the Hawaiian Islands (presumably including Oahu, which is home to plenty of weird invasive species. Wallabies, for one. I don't think polar bears are there, yet, though. Yet.).


Check out the photos at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Dart_Frog
and compare them to screenshots of the frog. (Can anyone provide these?)


Poison arrow frogs come in many different color patterns, usually bright, but offset with contrasting regions of jet black skin. The frog Sawyer caught was mainly dark, with moderate colored splotches (a green/blue color on my non-high-def TV).


So, the full roster of Arrows:
1) The Hatch that goes by that name.
2) The physical arrow that went through poor Henry's shoulder.
3) The possible "arrow" in the heiroglyphics (I'm skeptical about this one).
4) The poison-arrow frog.


Additional implication: If Sawyer doesn't wash his hands before he eats, he could well have the frog end up killing him. At the least, it could provide him with some more of his acute headaches?


Any other Arrows I'm missing? Could this be the hidden significance of the frog subplot?

#104. Posted by: Callan at February 16, 2006 10:27 PM

Mac – As always, Loved the review. In particular the references to Monty Python – perhaps the writers should bring Arnold the Killer sheep to the island to stalk Sawyer! …We don’t all have to be sheep! …which I believe the survivors are discovering.

Following Locke, Eko, or Jack might not be what it’s all cracked up to be. Speaking about Jack, I think he is being a butt-head because he is processing all of his impromptu meetings with Desmond --- they’ve always left him in emotional turmoil. I believe he has subconsciously figured out that the love of his life, Sarah, ran off with DESMOND! Desmond appears to have entirely too much memory/info on Jack’s lady love ...Well, that’s my take anyway.

I’m still of a mind that the island is a fabricated stress situation. The “survivors” have been brought there because they possess useful information be it genetic, ability or memory. Are there any “old folks” out there? Remember The Prisoner? Manufactured environment, strange happenings, big bubble thing dragging escapees back?

As to everybody seemingly acting “out-of-character” for the people we have come to know….. Extreme situations magnify necessary characteristics which will highlight even more, when the characters flip-flop once again. …Or, perhaps – this is “really” who they are……

Can’t wait for the next installment… both the show and Mac’s take…….

#105. Posted by: Edie at February 16, 2006 11:04 PM

RM: I too thought the CIA guy was Zeke. I thought they had similiar facial features - wrinkles on the forehead, tiny gap between front teeth, a larger than normal nose, etc.

Anyone have screen shots to compare?

Also, the Wizrd of Oz came out in 1939, i believe.

#106. Posted by: Po at February 16, 2006 11:12 PM

Clancy Brown, the guy who plays the American soldier (and I think torturer as well) also does the voice for Mr Crabs(sp?) on Sponge Bob and narrates car commercials. And after seeing how the man has aged, I can understand why. Of course, the man could probably still twist me into a pretzel - still badass.
I agree about Gale being an Other. Besides his hair, he only had about a 2 or 3 days growth on his face which would coincide with his traveling for two days after burying his wife. Also his clothes were too clean. As far as the shoes, I think that there are 2 groups of others. Zeke's group with shoes and the other group without. I think they are descendants of the survivors of the Black Rock. Ever notice how we have never seen anything but thier feet? We get to see all of Zeke's group, head to toe.
Does anyone else think Locke has become too much of a pacifist? Season one, he was a rock. Now he seems compliant and at some times very confused. Not exactly the guy everyone believed to be thier best chance to get off the island. Also, I watched season 1's finale again and, unlike Ecko, Locke was pissing his pants scared when the monster was in his face. Odd, since this was the second time he saw the thing and the first time said it was beautiful.

#107. Posted by: curtis at February 16, 2006 11:37 PM

Hey MAC, great review as always. For you and everyone else, I have a special treat. A friend of mine found an additon to the Hanso foundation website that ABC hasn't even planned to allow for it to go live, however it works. Play around and enjoy. I'm not going to spoil the secret and tell you what commands to put in once you get to the computer screen (or how to put the commands in for that matter). Play around and explore. (I do recocomend you ask the computer who is dharma, ask it where am I, and just type in dance, and type in sing). Those are the only hints, I'm giving. Have fun. The website is...http://emri.perception.net/

#108. Posted by: Sam at February 16, 2006 11:54 PM

I do not think that the cast in this episode was acting out of charicter. I think that the writiers are just sending them through there natural progression on the Island. At first there is going to be a closeness or happieness that they survived followed by curiousity and now we are gettin to the lord of the flies jungle shit. Locke is becoming confused because he went from being a self assured leader to getting duped out of all the guns by a con man and being involved in conflicts with several other members on the island. His fantasy is shot. As for Jack, he always needs someone to fix. When he let the first torture happen he was trying to fix Shannon. When he did not let this torture happen he was trying to fix Gale. With the confrontation with the other's he was trying to fix Michaek. This is very consistent. Sawyer, is still an inigma, he looked genuinely confused when Jin did not want to help him almost forgetting that he duped everyone just a few days before. But that is normal for him as well from what I can tell. As for the timer going down to 0 and still being able to be reset, this technology is not from today, it appears to be from the 80's and it's mechanicals did appeat to have to warm up before anything could happen so it would make sence that it could be shut down untill full start up. I do stick to my previous opinion of the stations coming together like Voltron, thatwould kick ass.
But I do think that this episode was a little slow and I still love the show and look forward to the next episode.

#109. Posted by: hubguy at February 17, 2006 12:20 AM

aaaaaaaaaaargh! what is up with the lost writers??? one crap episode after another!!
What the hell are they doing to locke's character.He didn't notice Charlie following him??Puhlllleease! And why on earth would he give in to sayid's death stare...i mean he has a kickass mr.clean death stare of his own.

#110. Posted by: nikki at February 17, 2006 12:24 AM

website is old news :) thanks tho!
shawshank...god how did i not know that? i've seen that movie 1800000000 times. duh....

#111. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at February 17, 2006 12:35 AM

For you number enthusiasts: is there any significance to the amount of money the commander gave Sayid when he released him? It looks like he gave him six or seven $100 bills and said it was for bus fare back to Ramadi.

#112. Posted by: Ardie at February 17, 2006 2:11 AM

A few things...

First, I tried the respelling of Henry Gale as Henry GAIL through the anagram server and got a result of "Hear Lying". I thought that was interesting.

Secondly, I have questions about how much credibility we're putting into Rousseau and Desmond's existence and motives on the island. We can believe most of the passenger's stories because we see their backstories, but why do we automatically believe what Desmond and Rousseau say just because they say it? I wondered if they've been put there as 'plants' for Darma's experiment--put there to shake things up within the island's "society" for the experiementers to observe. One purpose of an experiment is to see how things react to certain stimuli, and I wonder if the DeGroots are somewhere laughing at the castaways reactions to the crazy situations they're throwing at them.

#113. Posted by: jerson at February 17, 2006 6:27 AM

hear lying? now that's sooo interesting. what a great episode this seems to be, i'll be looking forward to watching it a few months later when it airs in my country.

#114. Posted by: n/a at February 17, 2006 7:58 AM

Three things

#1. The frog sequence is there for a reason. I don't think it is to continue Sawyer's character development. My thought? Maybe the frog makes him sick and thus... Jack has to help him yet again.. shifting power on the island. Sawyer isn't dying anytime soon though.

#2. Locke has nothing to do with Dharma. He is so scared of that clock. I was under the impression he just finished up the code, not some code to override.

#3. Jack should get an emmy just for that moment he has Locke pressed against the wall. He looked so physco, his eyes were awesome. That was a great scene.

#115. Posted by: Fuber at February 17, 2006 8:03 AM

Swallow - HA!

#116. Posted by: Smiley Guy at February 17, 2006 8:12 AM

Great post JL815. Like most everyone that has posted already, I felt that some of the characters have been inconsistent lately; but, after reading your post, I do agree that they are complicated characters and are actually showing some personal attributes displayed in their flashbacks -- especially Locke. While he has been a rock-solid-fate-loving-jungle-man since they crashed on the island, his flashbacks (even of him most recently as getting on flight 815) show him in a very different light. I agree that the last two episodes are showing the true-passive-follow-the-leader-Locke.

Thanks,

Marty.

#117. Posted by: Marty at February 17, 2006 8:52 AM

I uploaded a picture of the frog and it seems to be a poisonous dart frog.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9653/frogger2eu.jpg

Maybe Sawyer is in for some hard times.

#118. Posted by: SnakeJake at February 17, 2006 9:18 AM

Geeze Mac...word about your excellent Lost reviews must be getting around. There are a TON of response postings now. I wonder what your site-hit ratio is now vs. Season One?

I think there's only 1 group of Others. I agree that any Other person who's been clean-cut or well tailored has been so just to fool or infiltrate the Lostaways.

The show is definitely changing. It's always nice to see the group uniting against a common foe (the Others, the monster, etc.), but without intricate character development the show will stagnate. Hence the major inner-Lostaway conflicts that will keep getting worse as time goes on. I actually see it as a natural progression for the characters and the group.

#119. Posted by: JoePike at February 17, 2006 9:58 AM

Does anyone have any thoughts about the sickness factor? Rousseau told them her crew got sick and died, Desmond runs off with syringes and vials of something, Henry tells them his wife got sick and died and on the next episode Claire's baby is ill?
Do I have it right about Rousseau or did she kill the people she was with?

#120. Posted by: brian at February 17, 2006 10:01 AM

I think Rousseau knows Henry Gail and both of them are the others and the whole "ive caught one of the others" act is just so they can get this Henry to get inside and find out something. I think this because when Sayid unties this guy he seems to pause for a sec to let Rousseau arm her crossbow and then runs in the direction of her so he can be shot but not killed (look at her facial expression after she shoots him), she then gives the suggestion that he be taken to jack to tend to his wounds. Anyone else think the same? Cant wait for the next episodes its getting really exciting now.

#121. Posted by: Dave Kellett at February 17, 2006 10:55 AM

Also why carry a gun and a crossbow, i think she knew sayid wouldnt trust her and the only way he would have come was for her to give up her rifle, the crossbow was placed right where she could use it to disable Henry, i think this was the plan all along.

#122. Posted by: Dave Kellett at February 17, 2006 11:05 AM

Regarding the "character inconsistencies" that have been discussed, the fact is that these characters are complex (and that's what makes this show great). If we could predict without fail what each and every character would do in any given situation, this would be nothing more than a crappy island soap opera. I welcome these "inconsistencies" as food for thought, keeping in mind that all we know about these characters is less than 2 months of island life and a few pre-island flashbacks. The "inconsistencies" are part of what makes it so difficult to determine who is lying, who is telling the truth, who is good, who is bad, etc....And that's the whole point of Season Two!

#123. Posted by: KG at February 17, 2006 11:20 AM

I dont think Jack changed his character. He's a doctor, and acts so. He's always to look after his patient's lifes. So, if someone's dying of asthma and other guy has the cure, he condones the use of torture on him. But if someone who arrives injured and hasn't harmed anyone (apparently), he doesn't condone it.

I also think that the island and everything going on is getting to him, and to everyone. Funny, nobody noticed this. Sayid, Locke, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Charlie.... loads of characters have changed for bad since they crashed on the island. No wonder, given what's happened there.

And, by the way, I am starting to hate Jack. He should either train an army or stay aside.

I want Sayid to take all the truth he can out of that Other.

#124. Posted by: Ducados at February 17, 2006 11:21 AM

The first season really focused on the strange things that are on the island, but shouldn't be.
We've finally seen the 'monster' but how come we havn't heard anything else about the polar bear, or Jack seeing his dad on the island, etc.? None of the characters are even talking about it (how unreal is that?). A lot of conversation that would happen in real life is lost in the effort of making the soap more suspensfull.

All hail the blog!!!

#125. Posted by: RD at February 17, 2006 11:23 AM

Anyone else here ever own a bolt action rife? If the gun was loaded, when Sayid pulled the bolt all the way back it would have extracted and ejected the round in the chamber. To verify it was loaded he would only pull the bolt back (slowly) just enough to peer in and see.

This is likely an intentional "mistake" because what they showed is more dramatic and obvious to a normal viewer, but maybe the rife was unloaded when she handed it to him. Ya never know with these writers.

#126. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 17, 2006 11:25 AM

Great posts everybody. A few comments.
1. The actor for Henry Gale is always a bad guy (Saw/The Practice). I wonder if we can take this casting as evidence that he is an Other. Just a thought.
2. After reading everyone's discussion, I too think that the characters are not inconsistent. I think we, as watchers, try to make them two-dimensional. Locke is not a super-hero you know. He can make mistakes and the writers are showing this.
3. I love the Voltron theory Hubguy
4. Margot, maybe you should stop watching the show. I, for one, like forplay. If you need more immediate satisfaction, sit-coms usually wrap it up in about 30 minutes.
5. Edie, interesting comment about Desmond and Jack's wife.
6. I too wonder why the Others are letting Rousseau live. She has definately crossed Zeke's imaginary line in my opinion.

#127. Posted by: texasrobster at February 17, 2006 11:44 AM

I am a bit new here so please be kind

Random thoughts:

• Clancy Brown (U.S. operative) his first/best role as Viking in original Bad Boys

• If he knew how to speak Arabic, did he not know enough to understand Sayid and Tariq when they were talking about overpowering their American captures?


• As for the hieroglyphs and the "grace period", you may recall in another older movie, "War Games" that computer unlocked all the launch codes successfully yet the world didn’t blow up. Maybe something about old computer technology being a little more forgiving :)

• Most dramas resort to soap opera type tactic to stay on the air. NYPD Blue was on for 12 years and in the beginning did you ever think Andy Sipowitz would be talking to his dead partner and son? Or, an entire episode would devoted to a novel written about the squad by a dead disgraced former detective (Mike Roberts)? Soap operas are on for many years with the most inane story lines because the sell a lot of soap. Has this show jumped the shark yet? No. But I can see them building the ramp fairly soon. Remember, this show must maintain a critical mass to stay on the air. And no better way to do that than pandering to the lowest common denominator (Soap fans!)

• As long as we are all engaged in fantasy how about this: Maybe to satisfy all the obsessives on this board and Others ;) (Myself included) they will move it to HBO and show 10 new episodes every 18 months to keep the suspense going and the writing fresh. Not to mention a little nudity and profanity (Sawyer and Kate)

• Great reviews I am more addicted to this board than the actual show.

#128. Posted by: slore at February 17, 2006 12:00 PM

I've only gotten to read half the comments, but I needed to post this before I run out for lunch, so someone may have posted this already.

Do these Dharma logos look the same?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/Zilarko/medical.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/Zilarko/hatch.jpg

#129. Posted by: Zeppo at February 17, 2006 12:35 PM

The question poised is: Why do the others put up with Rousseau? Well, let's see... she can build snares, swinging death traps, has access to explosives, a gun, seemed to MAKE a crossbow (no small task, with only "jungle" materials) and has extensive knowledge of the island. After all, she was the orignal source of the 'black rock' comments, and she also made the first reference to Ye Monster as 'the security system'. She also patched into the communications on the island, and besides all of that, she's a scientist too. Frankly, it's amazing she's not running the whole place herself! Or is she... don't mess with the crazy French chick, that's my advice. :)

#130. Posted by: The Duf at February 17, 2006 12:56 PM

Zeppo, YES IT IS !!!

I was looking at the hatch logo last night and was wondering if it was the medial sign. Apparently, it IS!

Where did you get the good medial pic?

Thank you

#131. Posted by: RD at February 17, 2006 1:03 PM

uhhh, sorry, typeo.
That would be medical pic.

#132. Posted by: RD at February 17, 2006 1:04 PM

"If he knew how to speak Arabic, did he not know enough to understand Sayid and Tariq when they were talking about overpowering their American captures?"

That was Kate's step father, not the CIA guy.

#133. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 17, 2006 1:30 PM

That medical pic was from the preview.
I went lostlinks.net and watched the preview in real-player.
I was able to stop it, take a screenshot, and crop it and post.

#134. Posted by: Zeppo at February 17, 2006 1:34 PM

The writers are being consistent with Jack. His wife spelled it out - Jack's main deal is "fixing" sick/hurt people. So from the moment he saw the bleeding arrow guy, everything else was secondary. This is what he's good at, though he's failed at everything else.

And he's always been ambivilent about the countdown.

Your posts are GREAT! Keep it up.

#135. Posted by: Herobill at February 17, 2006 1:47 PM

Oh, and Locke's main deal is getting new information about the island. Which is why he quickly sides with Sayid.

What's interesting is how things that SEEM to be against character actually REVEAL their true priorities. THAT's impressive writing!

#136. Posted by: Herobill at February 17, 2006 1:49 PM

Did anyone else notice that Henry Gale was dressed in the same uniform that Goodwin was wearing, He is an other.
I wonder why some of the "others" have intact clothing and some are wearing rags, are their two seperate groups of others?

#137. Posted by: d shaw at February 17, 2006 1:58 PM

Mac, since you are "the Man," I was wondering if you could use all your power and influence to sit those people at ABC down for a little chat. Did you know that we have one more episode on March 1, then NOTHING until April!!! What is up with the networks these days. This scheduling is ridiculous. I for one am boycotting the re-runs.

#138. Posted by: texasrobster at February 17, 2006 2:02 PM

Just a few random thoughts on possible island explanations:

Could the hieroglyphics be indicative of alien involvment? A nod to the theorists who maintain ancient man could not have built the pyramids etc.

Also is it me, or are we witnessing examples of the most flawed human beings on the planet being put together for an unknown reason. We have the ultimate con artist/liar, a murderess, a drug addict, a torturer, a pair of rich leaches (both killed), a corrupt cop murderess/vigilante, a sloth/glutton, a japanese mobster/collaborator, a doctor with a god-complex, an African drug-lord...have I missed anybody?

#139. Posted by: Joe at February 17, 2006 2:21 PM

But they are all such NICE people! ;)

#140. Posted by: The Duf at February 17, 2006 2:36 PM

To quote you Joe... "Also is it me, or are we witnessing examples of the most flawed human beings on the planet being put together for an unknown reason. We have the ultimate con artist/liar, a murderess, a drug addict, a torturer, a pair of rich leaches (both killed), a corrupt cop murderess/vigilante, a sloth/glutton, a japanese mobster/collaborator, a doctor with a god-complex, an African drug-lord...have I missed anybody?"

Well, in my opinion, I think they are a perfect example of Everyman, and let me explain why. All of these people had "something" go wrong in their lives that led them down that path. All of them had something tragic (relative term, I know) that occured to them which made them who they are today.

Con Artist - his mom was conned and his family was killed over the situation. That's bound to screw with you.

Murderess - a stepfather/real father who mistreated his family, an alcoholic, and hints of at least sexual interest in his "step" daughter.

Drug Addict - yes, but one who was capable of overcoming the addiction when Locke faced him down with a decision about being clean.

Torturer - learned the trade because he wanted to help his family.

Corrupt Cop - trigger happy is probably more accurate, but one could argue that she went into policy work in an admirable fashion, and found herself in situations which were more than she was prepared for.

Glutton - Now come on...being fat doesn't mean a bad person. Unless you're Kevin Spacey in 7.

Korean mobster - CREATED by his father-in-law, and you could argue that he did all that for Sun and for their life/love together.

Doctor - with a father who never allowed him any praise and the God complex was thrust upon him because he was exceptional with his skills. Who wouldn't want a surgeon as good as he is? His patients were the ones who dubbed him as a miracle worker. He's just trying to keep up with the pressure of having such a title.

African drug lord - kidnapped as a child and taught to be a killer.


So, my point is that NO, I don't advocate these character's choices, but are they all that different from other people who have been misguided through life and made the wrong decision when faced with a crossroad? Would I torture, kill, become a bank robber or heroine addict? I'd sure as hell like to think not, but have I faced in my life what some of these people have, no. All I'm saying is that maybe this is a great assortment of people that *could* run in any circle of people and they've been forced to create their own society so their short-comings are much more apparent because they just can't blend in with society any longer.

#141. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 17, 2006 3:01 PM

Two quick points:

1) Remember when the purpose of the hatch was to find a safe shelter for all the survivors? Wouldn't that be the first place everyone would be wanting to get to once Sun had been almost "abducted", or anytime there is fear of possible attacks by monsters or Others?

2) I think the re-runs are for those who are not up on the show. They must be getting plenty of viewers or they would do what '24' does and just run them non-stop consequitively(sp). Another thought is that perhaps the production team still needs more time to finish the end of the season episodes...?

#142. Posted by: JL 815 at February 17, 2006 3:37 PM

As I read more and more grumbling comments I am reminded of the immortal Ralph Waldo Emerson...

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

#143. Posted by: qkrnxtl at February 17, 2006 3:53 PM

Sam, go back and read the comments from previous episodes.
Also, look in the forums.
You will see that people went all over that computer and found interesting things about it.

#144. Posted by: Zeppo at February 17, 2006 4:17 PM

texasrobster.... A BOYCOT IS *DEFINITELY* NECCESSARY!!!!!!!!!


Oh and holy shit.... i went to http://emri.perception.net/ and i wnt to the recomend link or whatever.. and your sitting at the computer in the hatch and at the top right theres the TIMER. u can click on the letters to type and some guy named Syntax Err starts talking.

But anyway ima let the timer run out and let the grace period end.

THAT WOULD BE SOME INSANE SHIT!

#145. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 5:05 PM

I have to agree with Dave Kellett. It all seemed too convenient. Gale walked away too slowly. Rousseau took kinda long to shoot him as well.

#146. Posted by: SnakeJake at February 17, 2006 5:20 PM

does anybody have a video link of the "cartoon" glyphs?

i wanna see that....

#147. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 5:23 PM

and why the hell is it aways double posting...

#148. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 5:27 PM

mac delete one of dem posts plz?

thankee

#149. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 5:37 PM

holy shit....

im at this website and u can sit at the lost hatch. and theres the timer. i can hear the beep, like when it gets to 3 minutes. I turned the speakers all the way up and i can hear a WHIR.

#150. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 5:49 PM

the timer just ran out and it was a black and white picture of what looked like a meteor. but it was just standing there.

WIERD.

#151. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 5:50 PM

Is it me or did the U.S. sergeant in this week's episode look strikingly like a young version of "Zeke" the others' ring leader. I looked at the credits and they are 2 different actors but the resemblance,mannerism and the use of the word "boys" in their speech is very similar.

#152. Posted by: yalexand at February 17, 2006 6:51 PM

i know. i agree.

hey, can you get me a link for the picture of young Zeke?

#153. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 6:52 PM

Anyone want to bet five bucks we havent seen the last of the American commander (Clancy Brown-from Highlander fame). He's a very good, well known actor and it seems unlikely that they cast such a recognizable face for such a bit part, unless they mean to incorporate him at a later date. Any takers?

#154. Posted by: joe at February 17, 2006 7:03 PM

i hope so. Maybe he'll be another. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh.
lol.

#155. Posted by: murphdogg at February 17, 2006 7:10 PM

yes yes...finally someone agrees with my post that the commander is a young verson of "Zeke" from way back. He had the same grizzly voice and facial features. I was the one who said it first so remember it everyone! Hopefully I'm....we're right :P

#156. Posted by: RM at February 17, 2006 7:55 PM

What really made me angry is this new kind of (pseudo)-realism combined with soap elements and dirty clichés. Seems like I'm the only one who is really DISGUSTED by this.

btw, most people on this forum seem(ed) to like Sayid?! What do you guys actually think about his re-established torture practices from an ethical standpoint? I don't see many negative comments about Sayid here.

Let's have a closer look at Sayid:
- from time to time he has his redemption phase which always sounds like "no human should do this to another human blabla...". In this episode we saw that his words are worth NOTHING.
- in this episode he actually states (cited with my own words) "I am a torturer. I've learned it during the first gulf war from the americans - you know, it's common practice there to let other nations do the dirty jobs...". Is it even possible to introduce more dirty cliché into just one episode?
- and (when talking to Charlie) "I feel no guilt because I know he's not innocent... because he's an OTHER...". - WHAT did he just say?!?!

For my part, I can't stand this practice of playing with clichés combined with real-world problems like torture (btw, is it just coincidence that the Iraqi guy is the torturer and the Korean guy was the mobster on Lost?). I really have a problem with torture practices during 'times of war'. It's NOT normal and it's NEVER justifiable in my opinion, EVEN if a person is "guilty" or an "OTHER". In my country, we believe in human dignity and, for the same reasons, we don't have a death penalty.

I probably would have fewer problems with torture in another context, but what we saw on Lost this week was undeniably related to a real war and common practices during the so-called 'war on terror'. Fear doesn't justify this!

Don't you guys see a problem with this new 'realism' on Lost?

#157. Posted by: Margot at February 17, 2006 8:03 PM

My only observation about the use of notible bit parts is the fact that DJ Quails was Hurley's friend in the one episode of his back story, I thought that that might go somewhere but it did not.

#158. Posted by: Hubguy at February 17, 2006 8:18 PM

I highly recomend typing DANCE into the computer. You get a bizzaro music video with all the lost main characters. Can anyone tell me if this is from an episode?

#159. Posted by: Adjudicator at February 17, 2006 9:58 PM

To Margot

I don't see anything wrong with showing backstories about the gulf war, or scenes with torture in it, things like that happened. Showing it adds to the realism, plus think about it this way, they are stranded on an island most of them have shady pasts, the very fact they havent turned into animals at this point says something. Its all about regression, Sayid was a torturer, he awknowledges that it is a terrible thing and never wanted to do it again 'even' though he did it to sawyer. he banished himself, feeling inhuman, the very thing being stranded can do to someone. Now more has happened, boone is dead, shannon someone who he fell in love with, these strangers on an island has developed a bond that is different from anything else, they are family. this episode was great because it is showing people who once seemed to have morals or rational thought are beginning to lose it. Sayid out of despair is regressing to what he was before, Jack fearing loss of control is trying to control everything and Locke who thought he was understanding things clearly is making himself out to be more of a fool.

this is just my thoughts, I love the show, it is well written, I do not think the writers are going off course nor do I believe there are flaws in character development.

and for the record Sayid is a good actor ;)

#160. Posted by: Never at February 18, 2006 12:27 AM

Concerning the computer (http://emri.perception.net/) and the 'bizzare dance' - No, there has been no episode (to date) to use this scene.

Some other interesting things to type:
- sing
- lie
- dharma (or karma)
- horse (or freedom)
- orientation
- God (or Jesus)
- devil
- anthony
- confidential (or classified)
- morse code
- crash
- game
- gun
- charlie
- eko (or monster)
- joop (or zanzibar)
- weather
- where are we?
- (just let the clock tick down to zeros)

Also:
- WBNY (or bunny)
- dance

I missed some of those original posts -- anyone want to share others they found to type in.

Also, am I the last person to find out what 'The Unlucky Numbers' mean? 4 8 15 16 23 42 [Answered in the question 'Where are we?' or 'weather'] -That's pretty cool (I thought)!

#161. Posted by: JL815 at February 18, 2006 3:18 AM

Concerning the computer (http://emri.perception.net/) and the 'bizzare dance' - No, there has been no episode (to date) to use this scene.

Some other interesting things to type:
- sing
- lie
- dharma (or karma)
- horse (or freedom)
- orientation
- God (or Jesus)
- devil
- anthony
- confidential (or classified)
- morse code
- crash
- game
- gun
- charlie
- eko (or monster)
- joop (or zanzibar)
- weather
- where are we?
- (just let the clock tick down to zeros)

Also:
- WBNY (or bunny)
- dance

I missed some of those original posts -- anyone want to share others they found to type in.

Also, am I the last person to find out what 'The Unlucky Numbers' mean? 4 8 15 16 23 42 [Answered in the question 'Where are we?' or 'weather'] -That's pretty cool (I thought)!

#162. Posted by: JL815 at February 18, 2006 3:19 AM

Adjudicator: It's funny when you turn off the computer, the space bar reads "Morse Code."

Anyone in here know a little morse code?

Awesome blog you have here, Mac. Always read it the day after the show. Keep up the great work!

#163. Posted by: drustar at February 18, 2006 3:33 AM

I was just thinking about the weird frog subplot.Let's say that the frog is poisonious and Sawyer gets sick.Really sick.He needs Jack to save him.

Jack wants the guns back.

Would Jack do that? Blackmail Sawyer? "The guns or your life."

Great site by the way. Look forward to reading it after a new episode.

#164. Posted by: Bob at February 18, 2006 3:57 AM

this is even more exciting than the actual show, keep it up, i love this...

#165. Posted by: ace at February 18, 2006 6:42 AM

Basically I think we should all take a vote and not let Margot trash our show anymore. Seriously, Margot I'm pretty sure Everybody Loves Raymond is on at the same time as Lost on TBS. Do us all a favor and go watch that. This is a fan site meant for people who enjoy watching the show. Sure we gripe about the characters and what bothers us about them but we don't bash them and say the acting is bad. If you're laughing at the show then its time for you to stop watching. Or at least stop posting on this website because no one wants to read it.
BTW Mac
"It's just a simple matter of weight ratios. A five ounce swallow couldn't carry a one pound coconut."
"What if it was an African Swallow?"
"Oh well an African Swallow could do it. But they're non-migratorial."

#166. Posted by: JAC at February 18, 2006 9:53 AM

Is Locke really lost?

Fuber stated: "Locke has nothing to do with Dharma."

Well that's not exactly true. Alvar Hanso is Locke's father, now isn't he? Check out his image in the Dhama film and compare it to Locke's dad in his back story.

hookedonlost stated: "Con Artist, Murderess, Drug Addict, Torturer, Corrupt Cop, Glutton, Korean mobster, Doctor, and African drug lord."

Hmm, isn't someone missing? Of caus - Locke! The same Locke who mysteriously recovered from his paralysis once on the "Island" (both the caus of the "injury" and recovery are still unknown) and the same Locke who pleaded in one episode while over the hatch "What do you want me to do!" or something to that effect.

The famous philosopher John Locke in his Essay concerning Human Understanding stated: "It is one thing to show a man that he is in error, and another to put him in possession of truth."

The same can be said for "Lost's" viewers.

#167. Posted by: PAG at February 18, 2006 9:55 AM

Great reviews Mac! Eps not complete until I read your review on Thursday.

One thing about the Sawyer/Frog story line I thought I picked up, but maybe just reading too much into it. When they first found the frog and Sawyer picked it up he was fascinated with it, *lotta noise for a little guy*, cute type of thing. I didn't get the impression he was going to kill it unitl Hurley suggested he take it away and protect it from Sawyer, then there was a change in attitude, like he just couldn't let the kind/soft side out, had to hammer the in the badass reputation.

#168. Posted by: Deb at February 18, 2006 10:49 AM

JAC,
"Sure we gripe about the characters and what bothers us about them but we don't bash them and say the acting is bad."

I didn't complain about the acting or about the actors. I did complain about the "Iraqi torturer" storyline. And I was wondering why nobody on this forum stated clearly that Sayid's actions wouldn't be justified, EVEN if Henry Gale was an "OTHER".

But OK, no need to vote. I'll keep quiet about negative aspects of the show in the future and only post naive "fan stuff" speculations like I did in the past ;)

#169. Posted by: Margot at February 18, 2006 12:44 PM

From Margot "And I was wondering why nobody on this forum stated clearly that Sayid's actions wouldn't be justified, EVEN if Henry Gale was an "OTHER"."

I am guessing because many of us think that they are justified - especially if he is an Other. If he is an Other, he is on a recon mission to get info and take back to the Others group to stage another attack on the Losties.

If he's not an Other, the simplest thing to say is "Let me take you to my cave, my balloon and wife's grave. That will prove what i am saying." Henry never offered any of that.

#170. Posted by: Po at February 18, 2006 3:26 PM

Try:
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lottery
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#171. Posted by: HK at February 18, 2006 3:36 PM

I'm not sure that i'm sold on Locke's dad being Alvar Hanso. Can anybody find out who plays these guys in the show (probably not as that Hanso is not credited)? But even if his father is Alvar Hanso, Locke's father why should that means he know anything about the isalnd. It seems like all Locke knows about his own father is that he likes to go hunting and screwed him out of an organ. Even if Locke's dad is Hanso (and I don't think he is) why should Locke have any knowledge about what his dad was up to?

#172. Posted by: Alamut at February 18, 2006 4:19 PM

I have to agree with you, Po. Let's not forget the Others kidnapped and currently have Walt, an innocent kid. Let's not forget the Others kidnapped and apparently did some wacked out alien probe s*it to Claire. Let's not forget that the Others hung Charlie from a tree and left him there to die.

If I thought for a second that Henry Gale/Gail was not an other, I would not have supported what Sayid did either. But I do think he is, and I believe he is the key to finding Walt.

#173. Posted by: Vikki at February 18, 2006 4:19 PM

You all need to read the comments under the blog for Fire+Water.
Lots of info about the computer.
I.E.
Don't want to click on the letters on the keyboard on the screen? Type in "You type too slow"
It will then give you a blank box at the bottom and then you can use your keyboard to type.

Lots of info in the Fire+Water blog comments.

Have fun.

#174. Posted by: Zeppo at February 18, 2006 4:22 PM

Did you notice that on the computer screen where they type in the numbers there is an unhappy face like this ): or this >:?? what is this whole thing about walt talking backwards.
---did you ever think that walt might be in another hatch somewhere, obviously where there is a computer.
----do you think michaels is dead, completely lost, or now in the other cult?? just a thought

#175. Posted by: Leah at February 18, 2006 5:17 PM

Po, Vikki,

that's exactly my problem with this episode - some people in the US tend to agree with torture in case there's a good "reason". Seems the media does a "good" job at this. We permanently see reports about torture in the media and we obviously get used to it.

We saw the US army supporting torture in this episode (of course it was also about this "we just want our boy back" argument...)! Additionally, we saw them handing the dirty job over to an Iraqi, a.k.a. Sayid. This isn't a problem of the past, it's also a problem of the present: the war, rumors about torture, the justification of the war, the real reasons for the war, ...

There's no place for torture and death penalties in a constitutional state which is based on human dignity, equality and freedom. Just think about it.

Furthermore, Sayid was torturing Henry Gale, just because he wanted to know IF he's an OTHER - not because he actually knew he's an OTHER at this point (which reminds me somehow of a camp in Cuba). So your argument doesn't make any sense - moral justification AFTER knowing the truth doesn't make any sense. We also don't know what the OTHERS actually are doing with Walt (Zeke said that he's fine) - perhaps they have a "good reason". But that's not my point.

If one can justify torture in case there's a "reason", one could also justify terrorism for a "higher goal" with the same weird logic. And I'm sure we agree at this point that the latter is just evil...

Perhaps you understand now why I hate this episode: it merges politics with fictional entertainment in an inadequate way.

#176. Posted by: Margot at February 18, 2006 5:50 PM

Margot,
First off let me say that I value your opinions and don't think you should keep any of them to your self, about the shows acting, scenes or any other theries or gripes that you may have. In fact in this situation I think that you are this site's antagonist and as such you are, may I say, the Sawyer of our little group here. (By the way, sawyer is one of my top two favorite charicters on the show.)
However, I have to disagree with you on a few points. The first is that the torture in this episode is not justified. Let's look at that from their prospective. There are the survivors of wreck trepped on an island surroiunded by things that to anyone would drive you to the point of insanity. First there are the series of hatches, of which they know of at least two, on of which has a timer that counts down to god knows what, only the video says that it is of the utmost importance, not just important or neccessary, but of the utmost importance that it is reset as to not cause another incident. Second, there is the Island "security system" that was at minimum killed one person, the piolt, the only person who knew exactly where they were. Then there are the polar bears, the whispering voices and the other inhabitants, whether there is one group or more. What do we and the surviors know about these people: 1: they kidnaped Walt, 2. They shot Sawyer, 3. They hung Charlie from a tree, 4. They tried to steal Clairs baby by abducting her while she was still pregnant, 5. They took is it 9 or 12 people from the other side of the island, 6. Zeke threatened the whole group of survivors and said that he is letting them live for now. 7. The Other's have been on the island for a long period of time. 8. The others have a boat that can transport people off the island, 9. The Others on the island have what apperas to be an unlimited source of power that comes from who knows where. With this information it would seem that the others are the survivors best way, through knowledge or resources to get off the island, but are the survivors biggest threat to survival on the island as well. Ethically the pain that is inflicted upon one man does not oughtweigh the potential benefit that the pain may give to the 40 or so people stuck on this island, as it represents the potential to survive. Anyway that is just my opinion.
I also think that it was not Sayid's intention to extract information by punching him, that was just out of anger from the death of Shannon.
I have more theories about WWI that I will share later.

Hubguy

#177. Posted by: hubguy at February 18, 2006 6:36 PM

Margot,

What I think the writers have effectively done in this episode is playing itself out nicely in our forum here. Many an issue has risen that one could deem contreversial throughout the course of this series, from murder, to drug running, to blaphemy of religion. What I find interesting is once the writers introduce the idea of politics and war into an episode, it seems to spark the most heated debate. I am sure this is no coincidence. Another mark of genius, in my opinion, on the part of the writers.

I, too, respect what you have to say. If you will note in my last response, I took no personal offense to anything you said or implied that you are wrong to express your opinion here. Believe me, I have "thought about it" a lot, as I always do, before posting anything I write here. Would I have done the same thing that Sayid did? Not in a million years, on general principle and becuase of my lack of physical strength. Perhaps I would have been just as guilty as Locke, who complacently sat back and did nothing to stop a heinous thing like torture.

However, I do recognize the fact that this is a fictional program where every little thing that takes place seems to fit into a larger puzzle that has yet to be revealed (who's to say that Sayid won't have to pay a consequence for what he did to Henry? Who's to say that everyone of the survivors will agree with him? Who's to say that he won't be physically harmed for doing these things?). I know that there is a good reason to argue that torture portrayed in any form in a t.v. show only perpetuates the idea that such behavior is justifiable, and I respect what you have to say. Perhaps where we differ is that, being a loyal fan to my lostie survivors, I can understand where Sayid was coming from and that sometimes drastic measures, for fictional plot development, are necessary to rectify the eight things the Others did, as Hugboy lists above.

There is no need to fault anyone who posts an opinion here, whether we agree or not. That's in the constitution too, right?

#178. Posted by: Vikki at February 18, 2006 8:21 PM

4 8 15 16 23 42 all add up to 108 which is in fact what the timer is set to

#179. Posted by: leah at February 18, 2006 8:32 PM

Vikki,
"There is no need to fault anyone who posts an opinion here, whether we agree or not. That's in the constitution too, right?"

You're right, I apologize.

#180. Posted by: Margot at February 18, 2006 10:01 PM

I've been thinking about something, which can be dangerious, and I have come up with one question. What was Hurley doing on the flight? If you think about it, and I may be wrong, we know why each of the main charicters from season one was doing on the flight except Hurley. Jack was finding his father, Sawyer was finding Sawyer, Kate was being arrested, Locke was turned away from a trip, Charlie was ther to beg his brother to reunite the band, Claire was there to give the baby up for adoption, Sun and Jin were there for Sun's Father, Michael was there picking up Walt, but we do not know why Hurley was on the plane, or if he was on the plane at all. If you think about it he was the one who decided to make the list of passangers and figure out who everyone was, and all of a sudden the Other's know as well. It is a little fishy. That is all for now.

#181. Posted by: hubguy at February 18, 2006 11:04 PM

Yeah, he was on the plane.
You must have missed the episode where he ran through the airport because he was late.

He was in Australia looking for the partner of the guy from the mental insitution that knew about the numbers.

See the episode titled: Numbers.

#182. Posted by: Zeppo at February 18, 2006 11:22 PM

The Powerball is up to $365M. I wonder how many people are playing The Numbers.....

#183. Posted by: silkyway at February 18, 2006 11:54 PM

Wow, last week it seemed like the consensus was emri.perception.net was a bogus site. But what the hell is that video? Clearly shot on purpose but not seen anywhere else. If that site's a fake, how did they get this?

Pretty cool. How hot is Sun in that video? And all the women with their eyes overloaded with mascara. Was this just a drunken wrap party or something else? going to watch again.

#184. Posted by: DamonARusst at February 19, 2006 12:05 AM

Also when you let the thing count down, certain numbers make a different noise than others. I'll let someone else figure otu what tha tmeans. I'm going to bed.

#185. Posted by: DamonARusst at February 19, 2006 12:23 AM

i don't understand your henry gale connections. can you explain please.

#186. Posted by: fffffffffffffff at February 19, 2006 1:53 AM

About the computer site - that Dance 'video' has got to be from season one. Boone, Shannon are prominent in it - and there's no Mr. Eko or Ana-Lucia. Also, Walt is in it, and still looks like he did in season one (no doubt he has got to be growing up fast, which on another tangent, makes me wonder how they'll bring him back into the show.)

And, that video is crazy. I wonder what type of marketing they were going to use that for.

#187. Posted by: Katie at February 19, 2006 3:15 AM

I can't stop watching that video. The neat thing is they show all the relationship connections. Kate dances with Jack, then Sawyer, then Jack takes her from Sawyer. Sun dances with Jin, then goes to Michael, and back to Jin. Sayid and Shannon dance together. Walt even dances in front of Michael, and later, Locke. Weird, though: Charlie is by himself, Hurley is by himself, and Claire is with Boone. I wonder if there was a thought of a storyline of Boone and Claire together when they made this (which had to be pilot time), and then switched directions and killed him off instead?

#188. Posted by: Katie at February 19, 2006 3:24 AM

That's a Portishead song in the video...nice!

I like how Locke was orchestrating the group at one point....and then Walt was....what does it all mean, man?!?!?!

#189. Posted by: Vikki at February 19, 2006 10:46 AM

I heard that website is no good. I'll be avoiding it.

Check out this screenshot:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1348/ebayscam1nu.jpg

#190. Posted by: schiano at February 19, 2006 11:55 AM

that dance thingy is just freaky. i don't like the bleeding eye make up creepy. i do however like sawyer...damn he is yummmmtastic.

#191. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at February 19, 2006 3:33 PM

Hey, someone asked about the video shown on the emri.perception.net that resulted in pressing in 'dance' just so u know, it was part of the UK Promo for Lost. They played it for like months before, i think i speak for most of the UK when i say we were as baffled by the ad as we are by the actual programme lol !

#192. Posted by: Luke at February 19, 2006 6:27 PM

On the Electromagnetic site.
Try " who are they"
I then put "tell me" after the 1st response.

#193. Posted by: D. Jazz at February 19, 2006 8:48 PM

Try "Brother & Desmond on the Electro computer

#194. Posted by: D. Jazz at February 19, 2006 9:06 PM

try writing Mole, or who is this on the electro computer.

#195. Posted by: murphdogg at February 19, 2006 11:25 PM

Thanks Luke for the answer! So, how come they don't try UK marketing here? I would have definitely watched the show based on that. (I initially watched because I heard Dominic Monaghan was in it - LOTR freak here.)

#196. Posted by: Katie at February 20, 2006 12:46 AM

HELLO! i still don't understand your henry gale connections. can you explain please. is anyone reading this, or is this too short you missed reading it?

#197. Posted by: fffffffffffff at February 20, 2006 5:46 AM

Henry Gale is the person Danielle Rousseau caught and then handed over to Sayid last week. Throughout the course of the episode, Sayid tried various ways to extract information from him to find out whether or not he is an Other.

The literary allusion connection to the name Henry Gale is from the story/movie The Wizard of Oz. Dorothy's Uncle's name is Henry Gale.

What does this mean as far as the plot line of LOST goes? No one has speculated. It is just another interesting connection another forum member pointed out.

Hope this helps, ffffffffffffffffffff.

#198. Posted by: Vikki at February 20, 2006 7:20 AM

Thx. for the heads up on the hatch-computer site schiano

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1348/ebayscam1nu.jpg

#199. Posted by: SnakeJake at February 20, 2006 7:29 AM

The timer counted down to 0, then we heard something very large spring into motion. It sounded as if it wasn't behind 15 foot of concrete either. Is there another machine besides the big Electromagnetic doodad?

#200. Posted by: Chris at February 20, 2006 8:39 AM

I heard that in the 27th minute of "one of them" there is a shot of the back of henry gale's neck and it has a dharma logo on it. anyone have a shot of this? i'd love to see it! also, what is this "computer" and "dance video" everyone is talking about?

#201. Posted by: les at February 20, 2006 11:01 AM

Could Henry Gale be Alex, Danielle's son? There were some comments about how she looked unconcerned when she shot him and she said "I could have killed him if I wanted?" Maybe she is with the Others?

#202. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 20, 2006 11:03 AM

Danielle is not that old!!!

#203. Posted by: texasrobster at February 20, 2006 11:07 AM

I believe that Lockes father is the real Sawyer.

#204. Posted by: bcooklti at February 20, 2006 11:12 AM

@PiecesofArzt:

Danielle had a daughter not a son.

#205. Posted by: Lil at February 20, 2006 1:09 PM

Other than the Soprano's I dont recall a TV show that has sparked soooo much talk in my office every time a new episode airs. Most of the complaints though are about how slow the story line seems and why there isn't more about the Others. Looking forward to the next episode!

#206. Posted by: brian at February 20, 2006 3:53 PM

Looks like the emri.perception.net computer is shut down, 'Access Denied Until Further Notice'. I did type in the word 'confidential' and the computer responded with letters from the W.H.O. to Hanso regarding a fatal disease strain located near the island Zanzibar, where he was known to be conducting experiments.....

#207. Posted by: adjudicator at February 20, 2006 7:02 PM

Thanks for the heads up re: ebay scam. Did you get that warning by using firefox? If I accessed the site using IE, would it have just sent the password without telling me?

If anyone knows anything about this, it would be much appreciated. Off to check my ebay account ot make sure someone isn't off buying used ferrarris fromt eh Russian mob with it.

#208. Posted by: DamonARusst at February 21, 2006 12:22 AM

Another note re: emri.perception.net. Checked my ebay account, password appeared to have been changed but nothing was bid on. So I changed it again, none of my personal info had been changed.

Just thought I'd let you know.

#209. Posted by: DamonARusst at February 21, 2006 12:34 AM

The computer website that everyone keeps talking about is not working for me? Am i supposed to click somewhere? Am i putting in the right website: emri.perception.net? The website comes up, but it says "Access disabled until further notice". I want to see what everyone's talking about - can someone help??

#210. Posted by: Stephanie at February 21, 2006 12:49 AM

Stephanie, I wouldn't bother, it steals your ebay password. I just did some more checking on my account and those bastards changed it the day after I first accessed the emri.perception.net website. Luckily, doesn't seem like they bid on anything.

So screw them. I hope ebay shuts them down. Too bad it was a cool site. Unfortunately, some bastards want to use the success of Lost to rip people off. Idiots.

#211. Posted by: DamonARusst at February 21, 2006 12:56 AM

That sucks - i really wanted to check that out. oh well, thanks for letting me know!

#212. Posted by: stephanie at February 21, 2006 1:06 AM

this is a lost website. Correct? lol

#213. Posted by: RM at February 21, 2006 1:39 AM

Good thing I didnt have an EBAY account :S

#214. Posted by: Never at February 21, 2006 1:41 AM

Well, since the site was shut down, and it looks like it was really a part of the Hanso site, maybe they were alerted to the 'scam' part and are trying to fix it - you know, like some hackers got involved and they didn't know about it? (Grasping at straws here, but I REALLY LOVE that site, and that dance video). I hope they work it out...

#215. Posted by: Katie at February 21, 2006 5:19 AM

For some of you asking what the Lost dance video is, if you go to youtube.com and do a search for Lost dance, it's the first 3 videos that pop up. There are 3 different takes on it - I think two were actual promos, and the other one (the techno one) seems to have been 'remixed' by someone else. All cool, though.

#216. Posted by: Katie at February 21, 2006 5:40 AM

I can't see the emri.perception.net site being a hacker website. granted it was stealing ebay passwords, but it's terms of use link directly to the disney website (and as you know disney owns ABC the network lost is on). there must have been a hacker that broke in to steal the ebay passwords and now it is shut down to work out the problem. im going to keep checking and hopefully they'll fix it. it is definitly a cool website.

#217. Posted by: JAC at February 21, 2006 9:16 AM

I think they had to write in a Walt abduction to get him temporarily off the show because he's aging too quickly in real life. It'll be interesting to see how they work an older/taller looking Walt back into the show when they've only been on the island a couple of months. I wouldn't rule out them eventually getting a completely different actor to play the part- someone younger of course.

Love the show, but one thing that always bothers me is how they don't always acknowledge the things that happened on an episode during the very next episode. For example, on this latest show no one directly spoke of Sawyer's con or how they felt about it or how they plan to deal with him or try to get the guns back. It was almost as if it never happened, except for Jin's brush off of Sawyer at the beginning.

I hope Eko is worked into the next new show a bit more. He's too good of a character to just appear once in a great while.

#218. Posted by: JoePike at February 21, 2006 10:14 AM

JAC, yeah, that's what I meant, but didn't know how to word it correctly...

#219. Posted by: Katie at February 21, 2006 4:07 PM

I thought it was curious that Hurley said that the shelf-life on a the jar of Ranch Dressing was seven years. First, I don't see why we are all concerned why Hurley hasn't lost weight. If you had a diet of roast pork and coconuts you wouldn't lose that much. Second, I don't know of any Ranch Dressing that would last that long after being open and not refrigerated. Anyway, getting to the point about the number 'seven.' Isn't it possible that the 'Seven Deadly Sins' is being manifested. Gluttony for Hurley, Pride for Jack, Wraith for Sayid, Lust for Charlie with his heroin, Envy for Kate; she kills her dad because she doesn't want to be a part of him; Greed is Sawyer, he takes everything; maybe Sloth for hmmmmm let's see? I am not sure maybe Locke because he relies on the Island for answers. I checked a site at deadlysins. com....and there is some interesting stuff there. After seeing Hurley guzzling down the ranch, it gave me the idea....and then again, saying the number 'seven'.. so what do ya think?

#220. Posted by: Suzano at February 21, 2006 6:01 PM

Could be something Suzano. Except I don't think its a perfect fit for Charlie, Locke and Kate. Hurley, Jack and Sawyer definitly fit the bill though. I don't see Charlie lusting for his drugs. He has been resisting them even after finding a large supply on the island. A better one for him, which you left out anyway, would be jealousy. Sloth doesn't really fit for Locke either. Relying on the island for answers doesnt really constitute sloth which is a form of apathy (or the inability to feel). Kate could be envious of something but its tough to fit envy into the reason she killed her father, I think. You could make a case that everyone on the island is suffering from one or more of the seven deadly sins. But then again, who in the world isnt?

#221. Posted by: JAC at February 21, 2006 6:15 PM

me i'm perfect :o)

#222. Posted by: Laura aka wolfie at February 21, 2006 8:32 PM

As for the characters not discussing things amongst themselves, just because it's not shown on camera doesn't mean they're not doing it. That is, we can probably assume that they are. Examples would be: Locke knew about Jack trying to raise an army although he wasn't asked; Charlie knew that Kate had seen a horse; and most know about the polar bears (I think).

#223. Posted by: Ardie at February 21, 2006 10:24 PM

Thanks JAC for the feedback on the Seven Deadly Sins. Yea, I didn't think it all through, but I do feel like the number 'seven' was key. There are opposites to the 'sins' such as virtues. In that episode Clancy Brown's character says to Sayid that Loyality is (not aways) a virtue...(something like that). He played on Sayid's anger to get him to torture someone. So you're right...we all can commit those sins, but some of the LOST characters like Sawyer can really show his Greed side to the max...but then again Sawyer can show his Sloth side....and his Envy/jealousy side. Check the site deadlysins.com; they relate Gilligan's Island to the Seven Deadly Sins...might be a stretch, but fodder...It just adds to the mystic of LOST. Oh, and Sloth means an inability to act...I think the Lostees don't respond well to what is going on... many can fit that sin.

#224. Posted by: suzano at February 21, 2006 10:27 PM

I recall reading somewhere that its most likely that someone else will die before the end of this season.

What do you all think? I'm going to list all who I believe have the possibility of biting the bullet, go ahead and add more if you disagree with my list

Sun
Jin
Michael
Libby
Hurley

Maybe Rose or Bernard? (yet its difficult to tell if they're even considered main characters, along with libby, since none of them have had episodes of their own)

#225. Posted by: Never at February 22, 2006 1:48 AM

Ya know, I think the others and Rousseau are definitley connected somehow, and that's why they all know so much about surviving on the island. And I think they're all connected to dharma. How in the world did Rousseau know that the black smokey stuff was a security device? Wasn't it her that said that in a way earlier show? And I believe the others have been there for a long time, so how come they never found the door to the hatch and made a home of it? Afterall, the survivors of the crash found it quickly enough. And why was the hatch supplied with so much food that doesn't go bad for such a long time? Probably because there were supposed to be replacements for the hatch. And if the button being pushed was so important, why did the replacements for the hatch never get sent? So is the button all that important? Maybe that's just more evidence that this is all just a big experiment, and nothing major will happen if they let it go. Also, the others have a boat (the one they took Walt on), they had a peace corps knife, and so far we've noticed they have some pretty fancy clothing that they only seem to wear when trying to mix with the survivors. What's going on with all that? I've never checked this forum out before and I like the posts here, so I figured I'd just ask some questions that were eating at me and see what people had to say. One more thing: when i tried to figure out what those heiroglyphics meant, all I could make out was that the first one was "s" and the bird looking one was "a" and those are the letters beginning the names of the first dharma symbols we saw. That probably has nothing to do with anything, but I just wonder. And has anyone tried to figure out what D.H.A.R.M.A. might stand for? Since people were talking about the shark having a symbol on it, I wondered about that too. Maybe Developmental Human and Animal Research Management Area or Association or something like that. Who knows?

#226. Posted by: christie at February 22, 2006 6:11 AM

I anagramed "Henry Gale Minnesota" too and got

SEE AN OTHER MAN LYING

#227. Posted by: Jake at February 22, 2006 6:53 AM

Never,

My top candidates to die...

Jack, Yeah I know I am biased, but Fox has star power now and if he lands a big screen role or asks for too much money Jack could be killed off

Ana Lucia, If the actress does time or keeps making negative headlines Ana's life expectancy will shorten dramatically.

Kate, If the pregnancy rumors are true, they can try and hide it, or kill her off.

Charlie, Another one who could get a big screen role. He is also getting a lot of plot time lately which could be a sign of impending doom.

Michael, The actor has not even been in Hawaii and may have already filmed his death scene.

Walt, Solves the growth issue but leaves some big un-answered questions in the plot.

Sawyer, The frog thing probably meant something, and yet another actor who may have landed a bigger role.

#228. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 22, 2006 8:19 AM

Jake. Really cool to come up with that anagram on Henry Gale Minnesota. Everyone is saying Henry Gale was a character on Wizard of Oz....Could the Lost writers be very very clever or have we leaped to the Wiz Oz thing too fast? I buy the anagram...SEE AN OTHER MAN LYING as a hidden clue...more.

#229. Posted by: zano at February 22, 2006 10:20 AM

Jake. Really cool to come up with that anagram on Henry Gale Minnesota. Everyone is saying Henry Gale was a character on Wizard of Oz....Could the Lost writers be very very clever or have we leaped to the Wiz Oz thing too fast? I buy the anagram...SEE AN OTHER MAN LYING as a hidden clue...more.

#230. Posted by: zano at February 22, 2006 10:26 AM

Jake. Really cool to come up with that anagram on Henry Gale Minnesota. Everyone is saying Henry Gale was a character on Wizard of Oz....Could the Lost writers be very very clever or have we leaped to the Wiz Oz thing too fast? I buy the anagram...SEE AN OTHER MAN LYING as a hidden clue...more.

#231. Posted by: zano at February 22, 2006 10:28 AM

on the liter side...

Sawyer's use of nicknames for his fellow castaways is entertaining...and except for Kate's, quite insulting...can you match the nicknames with the characters? Enjoy.

1. "Shaft" A. Sun
2. "Jackass" B. Kate
3. "Short-round" C. Shannon
4. "Mr. Clean" D. Sayid
5. "Little Limey Runt" E. Locke
6. "Pillsbury" F. Mr. Eko
7. "Osama" G. Walt
8. "Daddy" H. Other
9. "Mamacita" I. Ana Lucia
10. "Kato" J. Hurley
11. "Ponce de Leon" K. Michael
12. "Sticks" L. Charlie
13. "Freckles" M. Jack
14. "Tokyo Rose" N. Claire
15. "Zeke" O. Jin

...and in an upcoming episode: "Moonbeam" !!!???

#232. Posted by: JT at February 22, 2006 1:36 PM

I apologize if this is a thought already borached above, but: has anyone considered the idea that the soldier of fortune featured in last week's episode (the bearded one who spoke arabic to Sayid) is Zeke? The voices sound familiar as I think back.

#233. Posted by: Brian at February 22, 2006 5:30 PM

I don't want to reopen a can of worms, but I don't remember anyone getting thier panties in a wad when Sayid tortured Sawyer to get Shannon's asthma medicine. Also, if anyone has ever read any accounts from vietnam vets, real torture goes way past what Gale took from Sayid.
I don't in any way condone violence or torture, but knowledge = power and in war strategies, knowledge of your enemy's strengths, numbers and position can be your most valuable tool. Unfortunately, prisoners of war don't voluntarily give up that info, hence the practice of torture to extract information. I pray to God that I never have to face a situation like that, but I think if it meant the difference between my life or the 'Other' guy's life, I'd say pass the tools and rubber gloves.
Like I said, I don't condone torture in any way, shape or form but it is a reality - one that sucks.
On another note, I don't think Clancy's character is Zeke, just because the timelines don't seem to match. Dharma Project started in the 80's and Gulf war was '90 - I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, please! It would be kinda cool, though, if they were the same person.
Also, if Danielle was part of a scientific research team, maybe she was assigned to one of the 6 bunkers. I think the one we will see in next weeks episode. I also think that the new bunker may be the origin of whatever caused the quarantine.

#234. Posted by: curtis at February 23, 2006 1:06 AM

JT, you pulled that out of USA Today's life section from today... Moonbeam is Libby.

#235. Posted by: Katie at February 23, 2006 1:27 AM

Actually, you pretty much lifted the wording from the article:

"Sawyer's use of nicknames for his fellow castaways is entertaining...and except for Kate's, quite insulting...can you match the nicknames with the characters? Enjoy."

You should probably reference things like that.. it's not cool to pass it off as your own.

#236. Posted by: Katie at February 23, 2006 1:29 AM

Curtis, did you ever hear of the geneva convention?

part from the geneva convention: "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."

The fact that we obviously get used to torturing practices of the US army (i.e. by repeatedly being exposed to reports of guantanamo, Iraq and now even on Lost by the media, ...) doesn't justify them.

Sayid torturing Sawyer because of the asthma spray was purely fictional and everybody knows this. Sayid torturing his former Iraqi commander during the first gulf war is something completely different in my opinion -- it was (and again is) a real war, the (also real) US army legitimizes torture in this episode and, additionally, there's currently a lot of discussion and critizism about these torturing practices in the media, ...

btw, in Germany, there's currently a lot of discussion about a Turkish movie which shows the war on Iraq from an "unusual" perspective. In this movie the US army is seen as "evil" invaders. Some German politicians want to stop this movie by imposing censorship. I don't think that censorship is the right solution, but I think there should, instead, be much more pressure imposed on the ethics of movie makers: by the people who watch these movies! We simply should not tolerate mixing real-world torture problems with entertainment in series or movies by boycotting them or at least clearly stating that this practice is not okay and is not wanted by their customers.

#237. Posted by: Margot at February 23, 2006 2:33 AM

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that neither Sayid or the "Others" or Dahrma or anyone else on the island is a signer of the Geneva Convention or any of the other international treaties on practices during war. It only applies to the governments that signed the treaty and agencies of those governments.

The CIA officer (who is NOT zeke!) may be a different story, but if you watch it again, neither he nor any one in the US Army engages in any torure activities. They simply recruit Sayid to do it for them by showing him what his commander did to his familly. Sayid had many oportunities to say no, and there were no threats made against him if he did not cooperate. Sayid was asked to get answers about the pilot and given a box of tools and left alone. He decided what to do and how to do it.

Anyway, can we try and keep real world politics of this discussion? The writers and producers may use real world issues to show character developement and motivation, and they may even slip things in to influence their viewers, but that does not mean we need to debate it here. There are plenty of political blogs and forums on the net, and since these discussions tend to get nasty lets keep them in their place.

#238. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 23, 2006 8:57 AM

Zano. I think that the Lost writers did it on purpose, definitely. As you probably know, the letters of Ethan Rom could be re-arranged to "Other Man" so I did some "detective work" and came up with See another man lying. I don't know about Wizard of Oz, might be yet another clue tho... But Henry is another, i'm convinced. Not only because of the way he looked at Sayid at the end of the episode, but also because the actor himself has done a fair amount of movies where he plays he psycho or a serial killer (Saw, The Inside, etc)


Jake. Really cool to come up with that anagram on Henry Gale Minnesota. Everyone is saying Henry Gale was a character on Wizard of Oz....Could the Lost writers be very very clever or have we leaped to the Wiz Oz thing too fast? I buy the anagram...SEE AN OTHER MAN LYING as a hidden clue...more.

#239. Posted by: Jake at February 23, 2006 8:59 AM

Katie:
Thanks for the link to YouTube for the videos...I really enjoyed them, but I liked the first one the best (the one with the Portishead music).

#240. Posted by: christina at February 23, 2006 10:40 AM

Jake...maybe there is more to the Wizard of Oz reference....Dorothy left the reality of earth and wound up in Oz where nothing was quite what it seemed....one little man behind the curtain running things...maybe Locke is the man behind the Dharma curtain after all...maybe all the losties have to do is click their heels to get home...

#241. Posted by: Vikki at February 23, 2006 10:56 AM

Regarding the debate over the scenes where Sayid is torturing Henry (which I have tried to stay out of). I went back and watched both "Confidence Man" and "Solitary" last night. These are the two episodes that first deal with the topic of torture for the purpose of gaining information.

In "Confidence Man" we see Sayid volunteer to extract the whereabouts of Shannon's inhalers from Sawyer, whom everyone assumes has them. Jack is prepared to deal with it in what we can only assume will be a slug fest, but Sayid persuades him to let him take overand do things his way. A couple of points:

1. Jack goes into the sutuation feeling fully prepared to do what has to be done, but as Sayid begins with the bamboo shoots, Jack can't take it and calls Sayid off. He has to forcefully call off Sayid to get him to stop.

2. When they learn that Sawyer DOESN'T have the inhalers, (after what has to be the hottest Lost scene ever with the Freckels/Sawyer kiss! Sorry, back to my point!) Sayid goes balistic, swearing that Sawyer is lying, and runs back with the knife Locke gave him to make Sawyer talk once and for all! He was positive Sawyer was lying! But he was wrong!

3. After that, he goes into seclusion because he "made a promise never to do that again", and he's just broken that promise in a big way.


In the next epi, "Solitary", we get to see Sayid both as a torturer and a torturee. In his Back story, we see him as an Iraqi soilder after the first Gulf War, as a Torturer for the Iraqis. When Dannielle captures him, we see him behaveing exactly like Henery Gale; helpless, confused, scared, and then trying to turn the tables, and gain some information of his own.

Her are some things that struck me as I watched last night and then today as I read the new postings.

-Jack wasn't acting much differently in the last episode than he did when Sawyer was being tortured. I think the thought of going back through that again, knowing that they were wrong the first time, was just more than his moral compass could handle (to borrow that from someone else).

-Sayid can easily slip into his old M.O. and then has a hard time breaking that mode. In the hatch, Jack had to pull Sayid off of Henry, and he is positive Henry is an other! Shoot, I think Henry is an Other, but then I thought Sawyer had the inhalers, too! And looky there! We were both wrong.

-Sayid was an Iraqi soilder, interrogating other Iraqis! Why is it thought by some that no other country other than the US has ever commited this
heinous offense! And spoken about as if no other country would ever stoop to such immoral lows? As far as the show goes, they have shown two countries willing to participate in this ugliness, not just one. If we really want to be "politically correct", let's acknowledge that point and not bash only one country. And while we're at it, let's acknowledge that this is a WORLD WIDE phenomenon, at least in some point in history.


I find it interesting that this entire disscusion is exactly what we saw play out in the hatch on the last show. One side(Sayid & Locke)thinking that torture is what had to happen for the greater good, and the other side (Jack) strongly disagreing. Don't you think that's exactly what the writers meant to do? Make everyone think about what side of this issue you're on? Or what side you'd like to be on? See, in a perfect world, there would be no need for that type of violence. But we don't live in a perfect world, and we never will, so ugliness and the evil we use as humans to deal with that ugliness is just part of this life. Isn't that what this show is all about? The ugliness inside all of us, and how we go about rectifying what we've done with it? So in that respect, I think this whole story line was appropriate.


And Margot, just because it's not posted here, don't assume that we are all desensitized to what we've seen on this show, or any other television broadcasts. Lots of things in this life are hard to watch on tv, the Nightly News being tops in my book!

#242. Posted by: karen at February 23, 2006 12:22 PM

Last night's re-airing of the 2 hour pilot offered an enteresting glance into the forward-thinking that goes on with the writers. Jack, when discussing how he deals (or dealt, in the context of the surgery on the spinal nerves) said that he "counts to 5 and lets the fear leave his body." As you all will recall, Sawyer counted to 5 before exiting his partner's car and stole his girlfriend's $600K in the episode before last. Interesting combination of two polar opposite personalities and how they deal with difficult situations.

#243. Posted by: Brian at February 23, 2006 12:26 PM

I went back to the dvds and watched some of the bonus features. There was an interesting "lost flashback". Claire actually met the pilot in the airport and told him the whole story of her baby and the psychic and how she had to raise him/her or bad things would happen. I thought that was interesting.
Also, in the commentaries, the writers made a point to mention how Jack had hand prints on his shirt in the first episode like people have seen on the pilot after the "monster" attack. I just thought is was odd that Jack woke up in the jungle while everyone else was on the beach. He said he blacked out before the crash. Did the flight attendants give him 2 bottles of vodka or one? And where did he go after the "monster" killed the pilot? He said he jumped into some bushes.
I always questioned Jack's story. But then again, he was supposed to be killed off in the first episode.

#244. Posted by: BGS at February 23, 2006 1:01 PM

Brian, interesting observation!

#245. Posted by: karen at February 23, 2006 1:02 PM

Jack was supposed to be killed off in the first episode?

#246. Posted by: JAC at February 23, 2006 1:37 PM

JAC:
That is what the writers/producers said on the last dvd.
They said that they orginally wanted kill Jack in the first episode. They wanted the audience to invest in a solid character, then they would shake everything up by killing him half way through the first episode. All of the people reading the script hated the idea, so they changed it.

#247. Posted by: BGS at February 23, 2006 1:59 PM

Just listening to my favorite band, Led Zepplein, when I heard something that made me pause. Have you ever heard a song that makes you think, "Hmm, that reminds me of such-n-such situation."? Well, while listening to "Stairway to Heaven", the following verse caught my ear. I know all the words to many of their songs, but I had never thought of this verse in a "Lost" context before.

Now, I'm not saying it's related at all, or that the writers are sitting around listening to Zeppelin and writitng around their lyrics! I just thought it was interesting, and that there might be some Zepp/Lost fans that would think the same. After all, Zeppelin themselves paid homage to "The Lord of the Rings" in more than one song. Maybe it's not that far fetched for a writing team to do the same??:> All of the montage music that they play goes so well with the story lines...


Any way, this is just a snippet of the song, and it is just meant to be an interesting tidbit.


"There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who stand looking.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder."


Smoke through the trees, Voices and lots of wondering! Cool coincidence of lyrics!

#248. Posted by: karen at February 23, 2006 2:03 PM

You need a hobby!

#249. Posted by: KJC at February 23, 2006 2:12 PM

KJC: Your Mother smells of elderberry!!

#250. Posted by: karen at February 23, 2006 6:40 PM

Man, I never knew they planned on killing Jack in the first episode! That would have been a mistake, but now the time is ripe :-)

Stairway may have been an influence on the writers, or it may just be because they both use common metaphors for very popular literary themes about heaven hell and redemption.

"There are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road your on"

So Eko has changed roads, but is this a theme of the show and the other survivors must change roads as well? Maybe, but if you keep in mind that Stairway to Heaven is basically a Satanic song ("Here's to my sweet Satan" when played backwards etc.) I highly doubt Lost will draw too much from the song and any similarities are again because of the common nature of the themes and metaphors.

#251. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 23, 2006 7:43 PM

KillOffJack, this is just one of those strange things my mind does with music lyrics. I bawl everytime I hear Aerosmith's "Don't Want to Close My Eyes", because I think of my son when he was a baby. The lyrics fit my feelings perfectly for my son. Sure, it wasn't written with that meaning, but that's how it affected me after he was born.

I do agree that any similarities between "Stairway" lyrics and the show are due to the common themes. I also believe that reconciliation with your past is indeed a main theme of the show. Many of the characters had been on a road they needed to change. I think watching their progress as they struggle with which path to choose is a major selling point of the show for me. I'm sure there are a lot of other songs/peices of songs that will fit with the "Lost" scenarios. I just thought the "...smoke through the trees, and the voices..." was a neat coincidence! And KJC is right, I do need a hobby!

#252. Posted by: karen at February 23, 2006 9:15 PM

Margot

Remember, I stated twice that I in no way condoned torture. I was merely stating that it is a reality and one that sucks big time. My biggest beef was that there is no difference between the torture Sayid administered to Sawyer and the torture he administered to Gale. Torture is torture whether it is done during wartime or just some sadistic bastard starting with small animals and moving up to human victims. Either way it, it should not happen. Why did it all of a sudden matter with a wartime backstory and not when it was used on Sawyer. The Gulf war was real, but Sayid is just as fictional as Sawyer. And I don't remember there being a media frenzy about torture during that war.
Anyway, I don't think we should turn this into a pissing match. This is a way cool sight, fun to read and add my own off the wall theories. I think that both of us agree that no matter what the situation, torture should have no place in this world or mainstream entertainment. We cool?

That aside, does anyone know whose backstory it is for next episode? It seems like the only ones not to have had a backstory this season are Libby and Claire if I'm not mistaken.

#253. Posted by: Curtis at February 23, 2006 9:20 PM

Apparently its claires episode and she starts to remember what happened to her when she was taken by Ethan

#254. Posted by: Never at February 24, 2006 12:51 AM

thanks vikki but that's not exactly what i mean. you wrote: The literary allusion connection to the name Henry Gale is from the story/movie The Wizard of Oz. Dorothy's Uncle's name is Henry Gale.

What are you even talking about? I looked at all lost recaps on this site and information about lost on several other websites but nothing mentions wizard of oz and what story and movie? i see nothing in all the flashbacks and whatever. where did you get that? nothing on lost talks about that. i don't understand.

#255. Posted by: fffffffffffff at February 24, 2006 3:13 AM

I think art, if you call anything on tv art, reflects the human condition. it reflects whats in our hearts, so much of what is concidered art today it reflects
an uglyness a lostness. this is what i find so fasinating about this show its put its finger on something.
what do you find more offenssive the tourture or the invation of Iraq? The so called real aspects of this show
because if you hold to the stadards set 50 years ago that we will all play by the rules and we wont torture, will not invade other contries without the consent of all involved, the character and ethics of people 50 years ago was alot higher than they are today.
and this giant failure to live up to the standard we set for our selves, is apart of this fallen, lost in our sins, that is anature of us all. and this show, if you consider this show art, is showing, mirroring back.

#256. Posted by: al at February 24, 2006 3:23 AM

because if you suggest that certain subjects are off limits, to use as topics for tv, I mean who draws that line who gets to decide. Just like torture who gets to decide were the line is drawn how far do you get to go? We can sit here and say we or I dont condone torture
because that line will be different with everyone.
same goes with tv were will you draw that line, I dont know you draw it but I feel it has been crossed, with regaurd to the torture. I dont think it condones it. most everyone on this show has done something questionable if outright wrong, but that is also something this show is addressing who defines whats wrong and what is right,or good? Christianity there is strong sence of right and wrong, while , hoiw I've seen it the Dharma
is as eastern philosophy were there is nothing good or bad, things just are. Locke is alot like this. But I personaly dont think that things, just are, because as humandbeings there is strong sence of right and wrong, that things ought to be certain way.

#257. Posted by: al at February 24, 2006 3:52 AM

Type-o forgive my bumbling attempts at typing. I dont know were you draw the line at but I feel the line as far as subject matter on the show has not been crossed.

#258. Posted by: al at February 24, 2006 3:56 AM

Hi all
Its nice to see people hear that have thought provoking discussions about how they deal with the torture on this show.
Personally i don't have a problem with it.
You see sayid may of had an upbringing thats not familiar to us westeners but it shows the character in a very good light, i mean he was initially acused of bombing the plane if i'm not mistaken. Now surley this is stepping on dangerous territory because we assume people from the middle east (post 9/11) are terrorists. because of how the media defines them.
I appreciate the fact that what he did was cruel to Gale but if it were me and i had a talent for extracting infomation that could be life saving for the people i know, then i think his actions were justified, he may not like what he does but he knows that he could help people. Sayid is one of my favorite chracters and the actor has a very hard job to pull this character off (which i think he does in a very good way).
Go to IMDB for http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361411/

On a lighter note i have a little Python to add to this.


1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
Who goes there?
King Arthur:
It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
Pull the other one!
King Arthur:
I am, and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
What? Ridden on a horse?
King Arthur:
Yes!
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: You're using coconuts!
King Arthur:
What?
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together.
King Arthur:
So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through...
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: Where'd you get the coconuts?
King Arthur:
We found them.
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: Found them? In Mercia? The coconut's tropical!
King Arthur:
What do you mean?
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
Well, this is a temperate zone
King Arthur:
The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
King Arthur:
Not at all. They could be carried.
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
King Arthur:
It could grip it by the husk!
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
King Arthur:
Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
King Arthur:
Please!
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds:
Am I right?

#259. Posted by: Dave at February 24, 2006 6:02 AM

ffffffffffffff, I must not have explained it clearly enough. I will try one more time, but if it doesn't work, perhaps someone else here can do a better job.

There was absolutely no actual mention of the story The Wizard of Oz (which was originally a book and was later made into a movie) in the Lost episode. A literary allusion means you can make a connection between something that happens, say in a TV episode, to something else that happened in another piece of literature, say The Wizard of Oz.

Between the episode story on the island and the backstory, there was not a single mention of the Wizard of Oz, so when you went back to look for it, that is why you didn't see or hear it.

The only connection you can make between the two is that a character in the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy's uncle, and the man that Danielle caught and turned over to Sayid in Lost last week share the same name, Henry Gale.

I wasn't even the one who caught this connection. However, knowing that very little happens on Lost by coincidence, other viewers thought maybe there is more to Henry Gale then there appears to be. You can draw all sorts of parallels between the themes and plot of Lost and the themes and plot of The Wizard of Oz.

I have tried my very best here....if you still don't get it, I don't mean to confuse you further, but hopefully this explanation is helpful in some way!

#260. Posted by: Vikki at February 24, 2006 7:49 AM

Another allusion: Henry Gale flew to the island in a hot air balloon.
The Wizard of Oz had a hot air balloon.

#261. Posted by: Zeppo at February 24, 2006 9:52 AM

Vikki, that was a very good explaination! I don't think any one could explain it more clearly than that. Good job.

#262. Posted by: karen at February 24, 2006 11:44 AM

I was very surprised that so many on this site thought that the frog incident was not important. Everything is important in this show. Did you know that there is a web site out there (revised the day after the show aired) that has a poisonous frog on it called a "Lost Frog"? Google around, you will find it. Interesting stuff. And a GREAT BLOG MAC

#263. Posted by: kat at February 24, 2006 3:20 PM

another site with Lost Treefrog

http://pick4.pick.uga.edu/mp/
20q?act=x_checklist&list=Anura_Panama

go to Phrynohyas venulosa

#264. Posted by: kat at February 24, 2006 3:39 PM

Katie...hold on...do you know how many postings have been doubled and tripled...well my input lost almost half in posting and the remaining was out-of-format (even though I 'previewed')...otherwise, you would have seen my reference to USA Today and the reason I posted it...USA Today had 15, I submitted 16 of the 28 nicknames I have recorded. Since it is so obvious that many viewers/fans of Lost miss soooooooooooo many of the suttleties, I thought it was a good time to let those catch-up...as the re-run this week showed the genesis of Sawyers nicknames.
Well, Ana Lucia failed to identify the target, and Shannon didn't survive. At least I survived your slamming to view another episode!

#265. Posted by: JT at February 24, 2006 5:37 PM

Hi,

I just found this site. I would like to disclose the following .

The apparent leader of the others ( he probably isn't , lead hunter..whatever) ia the Military advisor in Kuwait/Iraq . Any Thoughts on this ?

Any ideas on the tatoos on the doctor ? If they are using hyroglyphics ( I AM NOT USING A DICTIONARY) , then perhaps the pyramid on his arm is of relevance. I allways thought the tattoo would come into play somehow. It does not fit his profile, not even a bit.

Anyone notice that hurley was on the TV whilst the Korean couple were talking last year ? Just interested.

radgosky@hotmail.com

#266. Posted by: neil at February 24, 2006 8:39 PM

another intersting tidbit i caught in the previews for maternity leave, was:

1)The hatch that Claire found had a Dharma symbol on it.
2)The Hatch that the Losties use DOESN'T.

Also, I'm wondering what could POSSIBLY be in the Dharma hatch. Could it be:

1)The Other group " Zeke's group)
2)Walt
3)Michael
4)Ethan's group of Others (Henry, Goodwin, Ethan.)
5)Desmond

Also, when Desmond said that his Partner left, i thought" Hmm.... maybe it was Zeke?

I don't know im just posting off the wall theorys here. One of them is bound to be at least 10% right.

I'll post some more of my wacky theorys when i think some up.

#267. Posted by: murphdogg at February 24, 2006 8:49 PM

Yes! somebody agrees that while Jin and that guy were talkibg Hurley most DEFINITELY was on the Tube. Thank you Neil.

#268. Posted by: murphdogg at February 24, 2006 8:51 PM

I would like to throw in the WIZARD OF OZ reference. Any refernce to the "W O O " clearly implies its a big show. In other words, dont belive the hype. Though, if we are to belive that people have died, then this cannot be true.

Didnt they leave OZ in a balloon at the end ?

I realize there are degrees of seperatio here that can really disintergrate your sanity if you think too hard on them, but, Henry Gale + w o o + ballon + I want to go home = LOST.


The frog is of great significance.

As is counting to Five.

Syaid WAS interogating Charlie at the end of this episode. He is awake , and functioning his purpose now.


#269. Posted by: neil at February 24, 2006 9:05 PM

oh now i get it. i thought you meant the connection was made because it was hinted in another episode of lost and you just found another connection to it. didn't know you were talking about another book and movie. i never even heard of it. but why would they have something similiar in lost copying another movie?

#270. Posted by: ffffffffffffffffffffffffff at February 24, 2006 9:42 PM

This is the speech given by OZ leaving in a BALLOON. Probably means nothing, its a fun speech non the less.....

Oz: This is positively the finest exhibition ever to be shown -- well, eh...well, be that as it may, I, your Wizard, per ardua ad alta, am about to embark upon a hazardous and technically unexplainable journey into the outer stratosphere...to confer, converse, and otherwise hobnob with my brother wizards.

And I hereby decree that until what time, if any, that I return the Scarecrow, by virtue of his highly superior brains, shall rule in my stead, assisted by the Tin Man, by virtue of his magnificent heart, and the Lion, by virtue of his courage.


The frog is really nagging me . There is a clear refernce there.

#271. Posted by: neil at February 24, 2006 10:02 PM

the frog goes through stages in his life, egg, tadpole, and adult.
things aren't what they seem at first things change. and I think someone else brought this up but the frog being so small was causeing such torment with sawyer, and I couldn't help but think that it was poisonous somehow. something so little and unassuming could be so troublesome, and potentualy life threatening.
Also if somr one out there knows there simbols but that medical symbol on the other hatch. didn't it come from the bible. When Moses made a bronze serpant and lifted it up on a pole and if it bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpant and live. the lord sent serpents because they sinned against the lord they had spoken out against him. so moses prayed to tske them away, and the Lord told him to make the bronze serpant.
I think thats were that symbol got it start.

#272. Posted by: al at February 25, 2006 12:33 AM

Numbers 21:6_9 the symbol is a cross with two serpents , the symbol was a sign of the coming messiah

#273. Posted by: al at February 25, 2006 12:39 AM

JT, I'm sorry if you took that as a "slam" - but it was just a suggestion to quote sources that you don't actually write yourself. While you may have added another Sawyer nickname to your list, you also directly copied the same introduction that the USA Today writer published the previous day.

In conjunction, as for the reasonable excuse that the comment box is malfunctioning (w/ double posts, etc) - it was 12 hours between your post and my initial response; ample time to correct an unquoted source. No offense, but thus far in this episode's blog no one has complained of "cut-off" posts.

As a writer, it just irritates me to see things like that. Again, I'm sorry if you took it as a slam - it was meant to just point out common etiquette.

#274. Posted by: Katie at February 25, 2006 12:48 AM

I think we should settle this once and for all. The military officer from from the first gulf war (played by clancy brown) and Zeke (played by m.c. gainey) are not the same person. it wouldn't make sense for the producers of the show to use two different actors for the same role unless the time frame is decades apart and there needs to be a real difference in the way the character looks. I think we have seen the last of clancy brown in terms of lost. He served his purpose in sayid's backstory and wont appear again. You can expect to see way more of MC Gainey though particularly in this weeks episode.

#275. Posted by: JAC at February 25, 2006 9:50 AM

It was interesting that Sayid asked Charlie if he remembered what had happened to him. It does seem that everyone seems to have forgotten a lot of important things that have happened. I for one would still be talking about it to everyone if I were stranding on a strange island and all this stuff happened to me.

1) Jack's dad's coffin being found EMPTY! After he chased his body all over the place. Granted, he was lacking sleep at the time, but he did find an empty coffin.

2) They killed a Polar Bear in the jungle! Can they eat those? It would add to their diet and give them a little variety. I'd be looking for more animals. Heck, if there are Polar Bears, why not deer, turkey, chickens, cows, etc...

3) Why doesn't anyone sit down with Danielle Rousseau and tell her all about the things they have encountered. Find out what her Science Team was doing on their expedition when they ran aground.

4) Has anyone ran the names of the Tailies against the manifest from the plane? How do they know who they are? I would be curious!

I have more questions but can't think of all of them right now.

I LOVE this website. It is the best at delving into all the questions left behind after each episode. THANKS MAC FOR ALL THE HARD WORK!!!!

#276. Posted by: cmonroe at February 25, 2006 11:55 AM

cmonroe -
As for Jack's dad's casket being empty - I took that to mean that after pleading with the airline employee, he didn't get his way, and that he had to go on the flight without bringing his father back with him right then.

#277. Posted by: Katie at February 25, 2006 12:25 PM

That whole polar bear thing - I don't know if this has already been talked about here, but isn't that like a projection from Walt's mind? He had that comic book with the polar bear in it, and on another show, when it showed Walt in his mom's house, he was looking at a bird book, and when he got mad about something one of the birds on the page of the book he was looking at flew into their glass door and killed itself. And also, when Walt was angry, he said he burned the first raft, and I figure he did it mentally. I think this is why he was taken and was able to communicate on the computer. Right?

#278. Posted by: christie at February 25, 2006 2:02 PM

Christie, about the polar bear: In season 1, in the episode "Solitary", when Danielle has Sayid fixing her broken music box, they hear a growling/monster like noise outside her dugout. Danielle makes a comment to Sayid "If we're lucky, it's one of the bears." This leads me to think that there were bears there before the Losties crashed. Dahrma was supposedly doing some type of animal reaserch according to the orientation film. The polar bears may be part of that. I also thought that about Walt and the bear until we saw the orientation film.


JAC, thanks for settling the "Zeke"/"US officer" issue once and for all! The fact that they used two different actors should make it crystal clear. Yes they vaugly resembled because of the beard, but island "Zeke" sure must have been eating a lot of Dahrma ranch dressing and Appolo bars to gain that much weight from how he looked in the Gulf war!! Especially on a tropical island where he walks everywhere he goes, and seems to roll around in the brush often. If we turn out to be wrong, I'll be the first to appologize, but in the meantime, there's no way they are the same person.

#279. Posted by: karen at February 25, 2006 3:14 PM

I haven't checked this site in a while, so I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not. But, did anyone see the writing on the TV screen when Sayid was watching the video of his village being attacked with nerve gas? In the bottom left corner it said something to the tune of: "Property of DIA" (Dharma Initiative Assoc., perhaps? and the reel number, while I can't recall it now, contained some of the "magic numbers" in it.

#280. Posted by: Trinity at February 25, 2006 4:36 PM

Are there any ideas on jacks tatoos? I find it hard to beleive this character would have them, an NO ONE has remarked on them, though they get alot of screen time. ( THERES THE NUMBER 5 AGAIN)!

Is there any medical explanation for Locke to be able to walk, posibly involving polarization of magnetism shifs?

Any thoughts on sawyers glasses, this is a classic , perhaps overplayed, metaphor.

Polarity oviously plays a major role here.

Thank you .

#281. Posted by: neil at February 25, 2006 4:47 PM

It IS DIA .

The numbers are 23108-42 .

good catch trinity.

Incidentally, any ideas on AN OCCORUNCE AT OWL CREEK, or whatever that short story locke was looking at last episode?

#282. Posted by: neil at February 25, 2006 4:55 PM

Trinity, Yes, I noticed the numbers. It is a huge point to this episode. Everyone keeps focusing on the frog...and it's all about the numbers and Dharma...and that video. It's so important. So if we know that it's a Dharma video...then Clancy Brown's character is part of DIA...instead of CIA. Then he picked Sayid for a reason...It's all part of BF Skinner's behaviorism. The last speech Clancy said to Sayid was like a premonition of what will happen on the island......In a given situation--- Would we torture someone? Would we smash an innocent frog?
In the 50's...there were scientific studies where the participant thought he was giving shock treatments...and when given a directive to add more juice to the shock...they would comply even though they knew that the unseen person was in pain. It was all an experiment, but it really stunned the world of human psychology. Just a thought. We need to think about this DIA concept and what it represents. So thanks for bringing it up. And I hope it tunes others into the idea.

#283. Posted by: Zano at February 25, 2006 5:35 PM

That's CRAZY!!! I just an hour ago rewatched the epi, and I DID notice the DIA, but didn't make the connection to Dharma!! I was trying to figure out what it might stand for from a US Military perspective!! OOOOHH!!! That is freaky! If noone else can come up with a ligitimate Military/government organization for that, I'll be sold that he's with Dharma!! The only thing I could come up with was "Dept of Internal Affairs", but that didn't seem right. I don't know that an Internal Affairs exsists for the military. I know it does for the police force, but the military?? Seems like it would be called something else.

Anyone who knows the answers to that question, I'd love the info! It could greatly sway me in the direction stated by Zano and others!!

Great catch Trinity!!

#284. Posted by: karen at February 25, 2006 6:26 PM

The military is OSI office of special investigations.

The guy in Kuwait acted like what they call a military advisor AKA CIA / counter ops , or possibly special forces. I cant imagine they were denied the use of CIA , so, DIA VERY POSSIBLY is an acronym for Dharma initiative archive or somthing.

#285. Posted by: neil at February 25, 2006 7:21 PM

thanks Neil!!

#286. Posted by: karen at February 25, 2006 7:48 PM

Just to clarify then...you guys think the Clancy Brown's character showed Sayid the video of the town's people dying as a means to motivate Sayid to torture his fellow Iraqi soldier? In other words, there really wasn't an attack on the village, but rather the video was part of an experiment to see how Sayid and his psychology would react? An experiment by the DIA?

Now that is some crazy s*it!

#287. Posted by: Vikki at February 25, 2006 8:07 PM

neil, I think there was discussion on Jack's tatoos quite a few episodes ago. If I recall correctly, I think those are real tatoos that the actor who plays Jack aready had and they just didn't bother having them removed or hidden. So there's no real "Lost" meaning to them.

#288. Posted by: Ardie at February 25, 2006 8:51 PM

Thank you Ardie , a doctor , trying to match up to his father , would not have these tattoo's . It did not make sense.

#289. Posted by: neil at February 25, 2006 9:30 PM

Although you could make a connection between Jack counting to 5 when he's "letting the fear in", and his tat. Perhaps the writers wrote that bit just to indirectly explain his tattoo.

#290. Posted by: karen at February 25, 2006 9:59 PM

Since this episode dealt with torture and there’s been some discussion of it, I’d like to add my 2 cents worth. The U.S. military’s version of torture is pretty much playing loud, obnoxious music and sleep deprivation. Of course there were the incidents of prisoner humiliation by being photographed naked, but that was done by individuals’ indiscretion who were not under orders to do so. This is what would be called psychological torture as opposed to the pain type (which I don’t believe the U.S. is guilty of), and it hardly compares to what others like China, Russia, Southeast Asia, and Arab nations have done. Recall the torture stories in Kuwait when Saddam Hussein’s military had occupied that country, things like electrical shock to genitals come to mind. And then there was the big vat of acid and the giant shredder that his own people could be lowered into. I think it’s the fault of the left-leaning media, who try so very hard to make the current administration look bad, that the U.S. military has a so-called climate of “torture” use. Holding suspected terrorist indefinitely at “Gitmo” may be called unfair detention, but it’s not torture.

#291. Posted by: Ardie at February 25, 2006 10:26 PM

if that DIA thing is true, then i defintely do agree with the person who said the officer was trying to motivate sayid and test his psychology for experiments for The Dharma Initiative. And now they're all being tested again on a lone island, where the best products of Dharma's experiments can stay and be rats in a well thoughtout maze.

#292. Posted by: RM at February 25, 2006 10:42 PM

In the season one dvd secial features, the writers mention that the tatoo was something they knew they didnt want jack to have..however the actor had it before hand, but after a while they grew to like the idea and said it plays a big part in the character later on

#293. Posted by: Never at February 26, 2006 3:47 AM

Sorry,

I was totally wrong. DIA is Defense Intelligence
Agency. This is a real organisation .

#294. Posted by: neil at February 26, 2006 9:46 AM

Ardie,

This government sanctions torture. It out sources torture.

There is s aying, the fish rots from the head down. This significantly sums up the 'torture' photos. Setting dogs on people is torture. Hanging electrical wires off people is torture. There are horror stories from over there, fueling and intensifying the hate for this country.

This government sanctions worse tactics than it condems, the whole world knows it. Perhaps in POW training they take away sleep and confuse you a little, but when their is a war on terror,and Rumsfelds at the helm ; All rules go out the window, and they have.

Remember, occupation = resistance. In this case however, they are all terrorists. The French used to say 'vive la resistance' . These ( iraqi fighters, not Abu Musab al-Zarqawi )guys just want the occupyers out.

Incidentally, no one imports " freedom " WITH MILITARY FORCE like the U.S

#295. Posted by: neil at February 26, 2006 10:29 AM

Seriously, can we take the political debates out of this forum? I am beginning to really take offense to some of what's written above, particularly lumping many countries together and calling them all "terrorists", particularly being from New York. I have stated before that I respect everyone's opinion; notice here I have not told anyone they are wrong. I just feel as though I have read enough. Let's get back to Lost. Thanks!

#296. Posted by: Vikki at February 26, 2006 1:51 PM

Well, DIA IS and actual orginization. They "Provide timely, objective, and cogent military intelligence to the warfighters and to the decisionmakers and policymakers of the DoD." That's a quote from their description on the yahoo search page. Here's the web address:

www.dia.mil


Oh well, I thought we might have had something concret to prove the whole Dharma-years-of-experiments theory. I guess they're just too slick for us!!

#297. Posted by: karen at February 26, 2006 1:58 PM

Ok maybe its just me but has anybody noticed this. The man who supossedly calls himself "Henry Gail" is probablly an other. Well you see the name Henry Gail is the name of Dorothy's father from the wizard of Oz! and if you know the Wizard of Oz like I do you know that a hot air baloon is involved in the book AND the movie. So his story about his wife and all that is totally untrue.

#298. Posted by: Chris at February 26, 2006 4:52 PM

Henry Gale was Dorothy's uncle, not father.

#299. Posted by: Katie at February 27, 2006 12:59 AM

Read some of the other Comments, Chris, and welcome to the boards.

#300. Posted by: Zeppo at February 27, 2006 9:55 AM

As far as Jack's tattoos go, if you notice, in his last episode "The Hunting Party", when he is in bed, talking to Sara about her pregnancy scare, he DOES NOT have the tattoo. From what I read, it is Matthew Fox's tattoo and the writers decided to include it on the charachter instead of trying to cover it every episode. I also read that it will be explained at some point. At the very least, we now know that he did not have it when he was married and got it sometiome before the plane crashed.
Has anyone made out any other discernable symbols on it besides the number 5 and what looks like a pyramid?

#301. Posted by: Sarah at February 27, 2006 1:13 PM

DIA may be a real orginazation - but you can't ignore the "numbers" used at the bottom. There are NO coincidences here on Lost. :)

#302. Posted by: hookedonlost at February 27, 2006 1:17 PM

I just hate how the next episode will be the last one for a month or so.
Why can't they just show them all in a row like 24, or BSG?
Stupid networks.
Get with the times.

#303. Posted by: Zeppo at February 27, 2006 2:33 PM

Arw the new episodes ready to air? That could be reason for a delay also, maybe their changing the stories to get them just so. Quality does take time or it could entirly be a ratings ploy by the network. I wonder.....

#304. Posted by: al at February 27, 2006 4:02 PM

About that Frog...

We know that there is some mysterious and usually fatal illness endemic on the island (everyone that they've run into, from Rousseau and Desmond to the newly found Henry Gale, reports it); yet none of the castaways, so far, has come down with it. Why? It doesn't seem to be that hard to catch (I've certainly been expecting it).

I would think that what-ever-it-is has an animal vector that they just haven't come into contact with yet (OK, so it's not the polar bears, or the pigs, or the fish). But frogs are new, and my first reaction when Sawyer smushed that thing was "Now he's gone and done it; somebodies' gonna get sick!"

There has to be SOME reason for that little episode, other that to show what a jerk Sawyer is, which we already know!

#305. Posted by: LK at February 27, 2006 6:25 PM

Minor point to consider: just because DIA has a "real life" meaning, it doesn't mean that the show HAS to follow it, right? Maybe it's the real DIA and maybe it's not... time will tell. I also think the points being made about people forgetting things is an interesting one... come on, Charlie was hung out for dead, Claire being kidnapped, the raft attacked, Walt taken, these precious moments alone would have me packing the survivors in the hatch, alarm or no, and posting guards 24/7! Common sense, right? The fact that this is NOT occuring, and that people seem oddly relaxed overall (really, think about it) may be an interesting clue about what kind of psychological effects are occuring on the island.

#306. Posted by: The Duf at February 27, 2006 6:53 PM


All the Other attacks faced by our season one group were directed towards children or people protecting the children. If you are a childless adult, it seems you have little to fear of Other's unless you go and provoke them. Zeke seems to have confirmed this with his warning to jack.

Rouseau has lived for 16 years unharmed since her daughter was taken for example.

#307. Posted by: KillJackOff at February 28, 2006 8:27 AM

Regarding the unexplained plots and sub plots . You are absolutely right . I am honestly guesing that most of these are generated to keep us helplessly involved . (Ratings )

Lost has done an exceptional job so far . It has intelligence ; Which is refreshing.

I guess I thought Sawyer was actually a good guy gone wrong. Turned cold , not by choice. He saved Walts life right?

#308. Posted by: neil at February 28, 2006 4:34 PM

Does anyone out there know hyroglyphics? Some one said eairlier that it meant "cause to die" but how do they come to that conclusion. I looked up a site where the symbols had a letter value
but I couldn't find all the letters. Is it it an Egyptian word it spells out? Or does each glyph have a separate meaning, and with all the glyphs ntogether have a deeper meaning that can add to the interpritation "cause to die"
Because I've noticed on the show there is alot of mixing of religeons and their symbols, because eachone has a truth it claims
for instance the Zen I-ching symbol with the christian medical symbol the two worldveiws don't are opposed to eachother and the glyphs is another. then there is the Dharma initiative, that is probably Buddist or Zen. and theirs Echos Jesus stick the Baptism show. Are the writers saying that truth is somehow relative? because I dont not adere to that nonscense, actualy the island and everything we have seen that has transpired there only goes to show that with out truth we are truely lost.

#309. Posted by: al at February 28, 2006 7:07 PM

Does anyone out there know hyroglyphics? Some one said eairlier that it meant "cause to die" but how do they come to that conclusion. I looked up a site where the symbols had a letter value
but I couldn't find all the letters. Is it it an Egyptian word it spells out? Or does each glyph have a separate meaning, and with all the glyphs ntogether have a deeper meaning that can add to the interpritation "cause to die"
Because I've noticed on the show there is alot of mixing of religeons and their symbols, because eachone has a truth it claims
for instance the Zen I-ching symbol with the christian medical symbol the two worldveiws don't are opposed to eachother and the glyphs is another. then there is the Dharma initiative, that is probably Buddist or Zen. and theirs Echos Jesus stick the Baptism show. Are the writers saying that truth is somehow relative? because I dont not adere to that nonscense, actualy the island and everything we have seen that has transpired there only goes to show that with out truth we are truely lost.

#310. Posted by: al at February 28, 2006 7:14 PM

@ al
I dont know if you realize but it is really difficult to understand your comments. They are all run-on sentences with gross misspellings. I think I got the general gist of what you are trying to say though. Firstly if you scroll up to the beginning of the blog there is a link to a
picture of the glyphs with the definition above them (which is a piture from another website). For your benefit here is the link again:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/glyphs.jpg

Secondly there is a mixing of many different religious references on the show. These could be there for any number of reasons but my belief is that it is part of showing the wide differences in the characters. By the way, what nonsense do you not adhere to?

#311. Posted by: JAC at March 1, 2006 9:14 AM

fuck man fuck

#312. Posted by: badasslostman44 at March 1, 2006 10:43 AM

I am glad I missed badasslostmen 1-43!

#313. Posted by: KillJackOff at March 1, 2006 3:43 PM

Leah,

Re : 4 8 15 16 23 42 all add up to 108 which is in fact what the timer is set to

GOOD JOB .

#314. Posted by: neil at March 1, 2006 4:32 PM

This may be old news but I was just on the ABC sight for lost and took a quiz, since I got all the answers right (it is a very easy quiz) they showed a bonus photo which was of a show filming where several of the cast members were standing around a dead polar bear so it does appear that the polar bear will come up again in the show and it most likely will die. Again this may be old news, but I just saw it.

#315. Posted by: hubguy at March 1, 2006 7:50 PM

I've been looking for an intelligent, in-depth "Lost" blog for a while - looks like I finally found it! Great Job! And the fact that there is a BSG review site here is even better! Have I died and gone to heaven?

The high point of this episode for me was the look shared by Sayid and "Henry" as the door closes and reminded me of the story "The Beach" where the commune let the guy in the tent die because getting help would mean their secret beach would be exposed. We have seen by now that the Others are way too smart to get caught in a simple net trap. This was obviously a plant by the Others, or a trick played by Rousseau. Or she could be working as an agent for the Others? Anyway, I think the Others will let Henry die, if need be, rather than attack, and I'll bet Henry knows this. Personally, I think the Others are far outnumbered by the survivors. There was the incident in the jungle where Zeke lit 'em up, and of course Jack and crew were outnumbered THEN, but overall I think there are more survivors than others. Henry is there to gather information, and will probably end up risking his life to get it.

What gets me about this show is "How will it end?" I mean, if it is something hokey like the kid at the end of St. Elsewhere looking in the snow globe, alot of people will be pissed, myself included. I have turned over many ideas in my head, wondering how they could pan out in the end, and STILL can't come up with one that will make sense. It will be very interesting to see!

#316. Posted by: aDaMsKi at March 1, 2006 7:52 PM

Hubguy,

They killed a polar bear at the beginning of the show, remember?

I think this is an old photo

#317. Posted by: aDaMsKi at March 1, 2006 7:54 PM

Hey everyone after watching the episode about that dude who they think is an other i had this idea tat maybe the button they have to push every 108 minutes has something to do with the others no i think the others are the expriment just think about it the others are not real maybe there are clones or something and scientists put them on an island to see how long they can live for but something goes wrong very wrong so the scientist go to the only thing they can think of to press a button every 108 to keep the others from doing wot ever they did before now the others ont think they are going to last much longer and they see a plane in the sky so the bring it down and 1 by 1 they take a survivor and add them to the group (make them an other) for some reason the others are only interrested with chlidren (the ones from the back of the place the baby and walt) i also think that walt has powers and the other know he has them and they think that if they have walt they can do anything i also found out in the other 48 days that they only take strong people like eko but of course eko killed too of them so they left him alone and took the others ethan was highly trained in surviol skills who taught him this oh and what do you guys think about that code that came up when locke didnt put the code in time that was a bit odd dont you think

stckiller3000@hotmail.co.uk

p.s sorry this is so long

#318. Posted by: Alex at March 2, 2006 9:24 AM

the "." and the enter key are your friends...

#319. Posted by: jraw at March 2, 2006 10:50 AM

Someone check on Mac and make sure he is OK. We are overdue for our new review fix and I am getting worried (and experiencing shakes).

#320. Posted by: KillJackOff at March 2, 2006 11:36 AM

I hope mac didnt forget about us. I am dying to read the new post, the new epi was great.

#321. Posted by: bcooklti at March 2, 2006 12:28 PM

Try refreshing your screen and scrolling down to the bottom. (Key Points from "Maternity Leave") is at the bottom of mine. I was just on this blog to see what everyone else had said since i was on last.

#322. Posted by: cmonroe at March 2, 2006 1:05 PM

PHEW!!!! I had my fix, but will it last for 3 weeks?

Hey Charlie, pass the Virgin staue, I'm gunna need a little something to help me cope!

#323. Posted by: KillJackOff at March 2, 2006 1:41 PM

HI!!!!!!!!!!

#324. Posted by: froggie at January 11, 2007 11:35 AM

Did anyone notice that the direction of the arrow is wrong? Rouseau shot Gale when he was rushing toward her. Look what I see here! When he was brought to the hatch later, the arrowhead pierced in Gale's shoulder is pointing forward! Just like he was shot from the back.

I can't believe I am the only one who found this!!

#325. Posted by: m at May 11, 2007 7:51 PM

c288t

#326. Posted by: ma721zda at November 20, 2007 2:40 AM