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Key Points from "The Whole Truth"

Season 2, Episode 16
Episode Air Date: 03/22/06

Point 1
Sun

Jin
I'm a sucker for the Sun-Jin story. In fact, I rank their reunion back in "Collision" as one of my top five favorite "Lost" moments. It's impossible not to root for this star-crossed couple, especially since Yunjin Kim and Daniel Dae Kim do such excellent work with their respective roles.

I smiled a lot in this most recent Sun-Jin episode, but amidst all the snuggly heartwarming stuff, I couldn't help but notice an undercurrent of fear. Something just doesn't feel right. Of course, I've been pre-programmed to examine every "Lost" moment for details and motives, so that dread could actually be my own paranoia.

But I doubt it ...

For now, I'll push that paranoia to the back burner. We've got recappin' to do!

Now, the Sun-Jin story has been relegated to the sidelines for much of this season so let's pause a moment to provide some much-needed context. In general, Sun and Jin are doing well, especially since most of Season One found the couple mired in marital discord. Ultimately, the pair overcame their differences when Jin's raft incident and subsequent run-in with the Tailies caused both Sun and Jin to realize just how much they care for the other (not "the Others," mind you, the "other" -- big difference).

The duo's island bliss hit a recent speed-bump when Sun was kidnapped in "The Long Con." You'll recall that our lovely horticulturist was violently ripped from her island garden, but she managed to escape from her attacker. The majority of the castaways concluded that the Others had attempted to grab Sun, but in that same episode we learned that Sawyer and Charlie were the masterminds behind the kidnapping attempt (I won't go into their motives because, well, I don't entirely understand their motives).

So, with all this exposition nicely lined up, we can turn our attention to the episode at hand. As it opens, Sun is once again in her garden, happily planting leafy marijuana plants (not true, but I wish it was). Despite the recent kidnapping, Sun seems content. Jin, however, is not so content. He storms out of the brush and barks at Sun in Korean, asking her where she's been. It's a dumb question -- clearly, she's been in her garden -- but Jin isn't really in the mood to discuss his line of inquiry. He's obviously fired up, and for good reason; Sun's kidnappers remain at large and Sun was kidnapped from this very garden.

Now, Jin certainly has a valid point, but his method for illustrating that point leaves a lot to be desired. Instead of discussing his fear and concern in a calm, honest Dr.-Phil-approved voice, he express himself by ripping Sun's carefully tended plants from the soil. As you can imagine, Sun isn't pleased.

With plants and emotions in full disarray, Sun and Jin take a couples' time out by going their separate ways. Sun decides to meander along the beach, but her casual jaunt is cut short when she's overwhelmed by mysterious queasiness and breathing problems. Bernard and Rose (remember them?) happen upon Sun as she's struggling to regain her composure, and both rush to help. But just as they approach, Sun's episode passes. Bernard and Rose are both concerned, but Sun assures them she's fine.

She's not. And she knows it.

With her "medical episode" fresh on her mind, Sun decides it's time to get help. So who does she go to? The island's doctor? Oh nooo. Sun chooses a slightly scuzzier comrade: Sawyer.

Sun strolls up to Sawyer's beachside Gun Shop & Medical Emporium and coyly asks Sawyer if she can peruse his inventory. Now, we all know that Sawyer is protective about his schwag (he's like Pscyho from "Stripes" -- "Any of you touch my stuff, I'll kill ya!") so he immediately denies Sun's request. But he's intrigued by her need, so he offers a deal: If Sun tells him what she wants, he'll give her the mystery item for free. Sun, ever the bargain hunter, accepts Sawyer's deal. She puts on her best conspiratorial look and sidles up real close ...

"I need a pregnancy test," she says softly.

Well damn. Didn't see that one coming!

This new pregnancy subplot certainly ups the ante. After all, we've seen the nuttiness that children can bring to the island -- the Others grabbed Walt, Rousseau grabbed Aarron, Charlie tried to stage his own baptism; basically, Babies = Wack. However, Sun's possible pregnancy becomes even more interesting when set against this episode's backstory segment.

Overall, this week's backstory was one of the tamer ones we've seen -- no black horses or murder or run-ins with "24" guest stars -- but it was also one of the more elegant and moving flashbacks. So here's what we see/learn:

  • The backstory picks up roughly a year before the Oceanic crash (I'm guessing on the timeline, but a year seems about right). At this point, Jin and Sun have been married for a while and the two are trying, unsuccessfully, to have a child. Of the two, Jin seems far more interested in children -- so much so that he pleads/cajoles/convinces Sun to go to a fertility doctor.
  • The doctor visit doesn't go well. Actually, that's an understatement. The visit goes as poorly as it could possibly go. The doctor scrunches his face into a dour and somber expression and tells Sun and Jin that scar tissue in Sun's nether regions makes it virtually impossible for them to conceive.
  • Jin reacts in typical Jin fashion. He angrily asks Sun if she knew about her "condition" before they were married, then he chucks papers and files and assorted medical data around the doctor's office, and he concludes with a flawless door slam. It was a 9.2 on the Wig-Out Scale.

  • This is where the plot thickens -- and the marriage worsens. As all this baby business is going down, Sun is also engaged in clandestine meetings with another man ... and it's a man we've seen before!

    No. Not Desmond. Or Sawyer. Or Locke, Jack, Michael, Sayid or Walt.

    Sun is secretly rendezvousing with a man we first met earlier this season in "... And Found." You'll recall that before Sun and Jin hooked up, Sun went on a blind date with a bald well-to-do man who looked like the Korean Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Sun was smitten, but the attraction never bloomed because the man had designs on another woman. The rejection ultimately led to Sun and Jin getting together.

    Somewhere along the line, Sun and Kareem met back up (we don't see how or when), and Sun -- being the sneaky minx she is -- propositioned Kareem.

    But it wasn't that kind of proposition.

    Rather, Sun arranged for Kareem to teach her English on the sly. When we drop in on Sun and Kareem during this episode we witness lascivious language sessions that are full of excellent enunciation and passionate past participles. They're secret language lovers, that's what they are. Tryin' hard to hide the way they feel ... 'cause it's oh so real. (Writer's Note: My first Atlantic Starr reference!)

    Now, the secret language sessions began as nothing more than simple instruction between two consenting adults, but as the months go by, an obvious attraction forms (well, reforms in Sun's case) between Kareem and his pupil. The attraction is exacerbated by Sun's disintegrating marriage, and during a climactic session, Sun reveals that she's leaving Jin. Kareem sees an opening -- a beautiful woman with love on the rocks and hot new language skills stands vulnerably before him -- and so he decides to go for it ... sorta. Kareem tells Sun that he once ran off to America because he thought he was in love, but the affair ultimately exploded and he realized he couldn't just run away from life. Sun is perplexed. "And Jin?" she asks in Korean. "Is he my life?"

    Kareem switches into English (very slick).

    "I'm not saying you should stay for Jin ..."

    Their eyes meet and they get real close -- uncomfortably close.

    But then nothing happens. They just stand there. The camera pulls back and the music swells, but they never touch or kiss or get nekkid. They just stand.

    And with that, we return to the present ...

Sawyer, perhaps feeling kinda bad about his role in that kidnapping thing, gives Sun a pregnancy test (Oceanic 815 appears to have been stocked with every item known to man). Sun rushes to find Kate and the two dash off to a quiet beachside locale to await the test results. While they sit, Kate reveals that she's taken a pregnancy test before. I believe this counts as the least interesting character revelation in series history. Fortunately, the moment quickly passes because the thermometer just popped on the pregnancy turkey. Sun and Kate turn their attention to the test results.

And there it is ... two solid purple bars. Sun better stock up on nappies and Other repellant, because she's gonna be a mom.

Sun isn't thrilled with the news. In fact, she's downright freaked. She pleads with Kate not to tell anyone, then, in a last ditch effort, she goes to Jack to confirm the results. Jack's second opinion doesn't bring any solace to Sun. Neither does his ridiculous attempt at relationship counseling. In a truly bizarre moment, Jack tells Sun that she needs to be completely honest with Jin about the baby. In Jack's defense, he notes that it's odd for him to be offering this advice -- especially since we saw how lies and deceit destroyed his own marriage -- but still, it was weird and Sun wisely pays little attention to the words coming out of Jack's mouth.

As the pregnancy melodrama has been playing out, Jin has been spending time fishing and stewing and generally feeling bad about ripping the crap out of Sun's garden. Mired in his marital funk, he strolls the shore and is temporarily distracted by the bizarre sight of Bernard attempting to fish. Bernie may be a fine dentist, and we know he's got an uncanny ability to sit in airplane seats that are perched in creaky old tropical trees, but Bernie's skill set does not include fishing. Jin attempts to help him, but there are two big problems: 1. Jin and Bernie don't speak the same language and 2. Bernie isn't fishing ... he's digging for oysters (don't ask).

The animated fishing-oyster conversation catches Sawyer's attention. Armed with the knowledge that Sun may be pregnant, Sawyer walks up with a big 'ol grin and starts kidding with Jin: "What's goin' on Daddy-O! You didn't waste any time now didya? You old dog you. Workin' your think in the tent. Woo Woo! Go Jin, it's your birthday ... get busy ... on the island ..."

Of course, Jin doesn't understand any of this stuff. We know this because the audio track suddenly gets garbled and random Korean and English words fly about (this is what's known as "Jin's Perspective" -- it's a filmmaking trick that bludgeons the audience with its obviousness).

At this point, Jin is overwhelmed. The confluence of plants and arguing and oysters and Sawyer has left him emotionally drained, so he tries to restore his karmic equilibrium by fixing Sun's secret garden. And of course Sun stumbles upon him and of course this leads to a heartfelt and revelatory exchange that goes something like this:

Jin: I'm so sorry. I'm a big ass. A big, plant-killing ass.

Sun [in Korean]: I have to tell you something

Jin [teary eyed}: What?

Sun: I'm pregnant.

Jin: MOUTH AGAPE

Cue backstory swooshy noise!

In a concluding backstory segment, we learn one more teeny, tiny detail about Sun, Jin and their attempts to have a baby.

Remember when they visited the fertility doctor? Remember when the fertility doctor told them that Sun's scarring was the reason they couldn't conceive? Remember when the doctor lied?

HE LIED!

In the backstory, Sun discovers the lie when the doctor seeks her out. The doctor is clearly distraught (guilt will do that to a person), but he's gone out of his way to find Sun because he believes she deserves to know the truth. And that truth is: Jin is the one who can't make babies. JIN! The doctor lied to protect himself, thinking Jin would have gone completely apeshit if he knew the truth.

Cue return to the present!

Sun reveals the doctor's pregnancy lie. Jin's face drops. And suddenly, the reasons behind Sun's pregnancy dismay become clear: If she can get pregnant, but Jin can't make her pregnant, then how could Sun and Jin have a .... WAIT A MINUTE!

Sun, sensing that a world of hurt is about to come down, looks deep into Jin's eyes and tells him -- assures him -- that she's never been with another man. Her earnestness is overwhelming and Jin is clearly moved.

"Then it's a miracle," Jin says as tears well in his eyes. He softly caresses Sun's cheeks. "I ...," he says in stilted English, "... love ... you."

Yes. Jin's first complete English sentence is "I love you." And it wasn't cheesy or contrived or cliched. It was just plain 'ol sweet. Someone get this man an Emmy.

The two embrace and for a moment everything is stunningly beautiful and warm. But the camera holds on Sun. Her expression slowly changes. Her eyes darken and concern etches across her face ... clearly, all is not right in Sun's secret garden.

And that's when it ends!

I'm emotionally invested in Sun and Jin (damn you "Lost" writers!), so I'm filled with questions and concerns about my favorite island couple. They are:

  1. Did Sun cheat on Jin? I know it appears she did, but remember, we never saw her get busy with Kareem.
  2. How far along is Sun's pregnancy?
  3. How is Dharma involved? (You'll notice I didn't ask "if" Dharma is involved -- you just know those baby-snatching bastards have a hand in this.)
  4. And finally, what would it take for Sun and Jin to name the kid Alex, just to piss off Rousseau?
Point 2
Ana-Lucia

Sayid

Charlie

Henry Gale
Early in this episode, Locke seeks out Ana-Lucia and asks her for a very odd, very interesting favor: he wants her to interrogate the alleged Other, Henry Gale.

Locke believes that Ana's dual experience as a cop and an Other killer gives her unique insight. Moreover, he's sick of having a preternaturally savvy manipulator holed up in "my hatch" (his words, not mine -- he distinctly referred to it as "my" hatch).

Ana, who's always game for violence and sneering, accepts Locke's offer. But in an odd twist, she doesn't resort to violence and she keeps her sneering to a minimum. In fact, her "interrogation" of Henry Gale is a borderline tea party.

Ana gets through to Gale by zeroing in on one vital point: If Henry wants to prove his non-Otherness, all he needs to do is draw a map to his downed balloon (remember, Henry's cover story is that he and his wife crashed on the island while they were ballooning around the world). Henry initially sees things differently: If he draws the map and they fail to find the balloon, he's a dead man.

But Ana has a counter-argument all lined up: Henry is a dead man if he doesn't draw the map. Jack and Locke aren't going to keep Henry around forever, and chances are, they won't set him up in a far-off beachside condo. The balloon is Henry's only way out.

And so Henry draws a map, but here's the interesting bit: Ana doesn't tell Jack and Locke. She intentionally keeps the map to herself, then zips off to the beach camp to enlist Sayid and Charlie on her balloon expedition.

On first glance it would seem that hiding the map is a dumb move, but Ana, in explaining her action to Sayid, makes a valid point: "Jack and Locke are a little too busy worrying about Locke and Jack."

Now, you may be asking yourself why Ana would go to Sayid for help. After all, Ana is the same person who recently killed Sayid's beloved booty partner and Sayid has expressed his desire to slice Ana into wee bits of Ana-Kabob. But Ana knows that Sayid has an equally strong desire to extract the truth from Henry, and presumably, slice Henry into wee bits of Henry-Kabob once proof of Henry's Other-ness is discovered. Charlie's involvement in the balloon excursion is pure circumstance -- he just happened to be working with Sayid when Ana came by.

(Sidenote: Sayid and Charlie appear to be building something. I couldn't make it out, but it looks like a frame for a tent or a larger structure.)

So Ana, Sayid and Charlie set out for Mordor in the hopes of forever destroying the evil balloon in the fiery pits of ... hmm, wrong story. In our tale, the trio uses Henry's map to trek deep into the island in search of a hot-air balloon emblazoned with a giant smiley face (yes, the balloon has a smiley face). On and on they go, over hills and through lush forest, all the while bickering and snorting and sneering at one another. At one point, Ana notices that Charlie is carrying a concealed pistol and she calls him on it, suggesting he should give the gun to someone who knows how to use it. Charlie quips: "Maybe I will. As I recall, the last time you had a gun you muuuuurdered someone." With that, Charlie pulls the gun from behind his back, dangles it in front of Ana, then slowly moves his arm back and hands the pistol to Sayid.

Beyond Charlie's "muuuuurdered" comment, this exchange is notable because it creates an interesting connection between Charlie and Sawyer's gun stash. The castaways have been working under the assumption that Sawyer is the only one who knows where the island's gun supply is hidden. But now that Charlie has been caught with a weapon, we have the first direct connection between Sawyer and Charlie (after all, how did Charlie get the gun?). It's only a matter of time before an Island oversight committee convenes to investigate.

Moving on ...

The location of Henry's balloon is quite far off, so Ana, Sayid and Charlie are forced to spend the night in the jungle. This gives Ana and Sayid an opportunity to have a heart-to-heart, and it proves to be a very intriguing moment indeed. Sitting before a roaring fire, Ana apologizes for killing Shannon. At first, Sayid is stone silent. But then, in an eerie monotone voice, he says: "You were protecting your people. It wasn't you that killed Shannon, it was them. And once we find out he [Henry Gale] is one of them, then something will have to be done."

Oh Henry. Henry. Henry. Henry. You're about to have a Very Bad Day.

The next morning the trio heads out for the final leg of the trip. Rain pelts down as they emerge into a clearing. Sayid consults the map and determines that they've found the final resting place for Henry's balloon ... but there's no balloon. Sayid and Charlie both seem pleased; the balloon's non-existence gives them an excuse to sharpen knives on Henry's forehead. But Ana -- in a stunning turn -- emerges as the voice of reason. She tells Sayid that if she's going to back him, she needs to be sure. Sayid is pissed, but he knows Ana is right. He devises a grid scheme and the three set off to comb the area for balloons, and Others, and cunning traps set by guys who take their names from obscure Wizard of Oz characters ... (more on that in a minute).

Point 3
Locke

Jack

Henry Gale
Is anyone else getting tired of the Locke-Jack sniping? They should play the "Odd Couple" theme anytime these two are together.

Anyway, the big Locke-Jack development in this episode comes in the very final scene. Throughout the episode, Locke pokes at Jack with a series of passive aggressive actions (e.g. Locke goes to Ana-Lucia without first talking to Jack, and later, Locke annoys Jack by shaving in the hatch bathroom while Jack takes a shower), but in the last scene, Jack does some poking in return by inviting Henry to have breakfast in the hatch kitchen.

So Henry waltzes out of the armory and takes a seat at the kitchen table. Locke is momentarily stunned, but he gathers himself and hands Henry a box of Dharma cereal (Dharma Oaties: Mmm, Mmm, Hatchy!). At first it seems like an inconsequential moment, but Henry senses that the defenses are down, so he seizes the opportunity to pour a bucket of salt into Locke and Jack's psychological wounds.

"This must be my reward for good behavior, huh?" Henry says as he pours cereal. "I must have earned myself some good will for finally drawing that map for Ana."

Map?

Locke looks at Jack. Jack looks at Locke. Henry rolls his eyes and looks down.

"Wow, you guys have some real trust issues," Henry mutters. "I guess it makes sense she didn't tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all the time."

Henry crunches on a cereal nugget, pauses, then prepares to unleash a final zinger.

"Of course [CRUNCH], if I was one of them, these people that you seem to think are your enemies, what would I do? [CRUNCH ... CRUNCH] There'd be no balloon. So I'd draw a map to a real secluded place. [CRUNCH] Like a cave or some underbrush. A good place for a trap. [CRUNCH] An ambush. And when your friends got there, a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. And then they'd use them to trade for me. [CRUNCH] I guess it's a good thing I'm not one of them, huh? [CRUNCH ... CRUNCH ... CRUNCH ...SWALLOW ... SNARKY PAUSE] You guys got any milk?"

And that's that!

Now, I'm a little confused by this Henry business, so I'm hoping fellow viewers can help me wrap my head around a couple things. In no particular order ...

  • If Henry is not an Other, why is he using psychological tactics? Locke and Jack, for all their bickering, aren't stupid guys. Both are seemingly aware of Henry's machinations. So why would Henry intentionally piss off his captors? Has he simply reached a point where he doesn't care anymore?

  • If Henry is an Other, what's his goal? Is he some sort of kamikaze Other who's on a psychological bombing run?

  • This is completely random, but stick with me: What if Rousseau and Henry are working together? It seems ridiculous, I know, but consider the evidence. Rousseau allegedly "trapped" Henry. Rousseau then brought Sayid to Henry. When Henry tried to "run away," Rousseau intentionally shot him with an arrow in a non-lethal location. And finally, when Sayid took Henry back to the hatch, Rousseau did not tag along.

    To this point, Henry has been little more than a hatch accessory, but his actions could have a dramatic effect on the series' future plotlines. Now, if Rousseau didn't serve up Henry to Sayid, Henry never would have been brought to the hatch, he never would have been able to play mind games with Locke and Jack and -- and this remains to be seen -- he wouldn't have sent Ana, Sayid and Charlie straight into a trap. Could all of this be a Henry-Rousseau conspiracy? Flimsy, I know, but I wonder if there's something to it. Thoughts? Conjecture? Guffaws of disgust?

Point 4
Island

And finally, a few island notes:
  • Sawyer's pool of reading material is starting to dry up. In this episode he's seen reading Judy Blume's preteen opus, "Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret." If the writers somehow work this title into the Dharma storyline, I will officially declare "Lost" the greatest television show in the history of history.

  • Locke is seen holding the Geronimo Jackson album cover. A song is playing on the hatch hi-fi at the same time, but I don't know if Locke is actually listening to Geronimo Jackson.
That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.
Next Episode:
"Lockdown" -- When the hatch goes twitchy, Locke forges an alliance with an "unlikely ally" (I have no idea what that means). Airs: Wednesday, March 29, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.


First off, I'm pissed. We had to wait a month for THIS episode? Lame. Here's what we learned in this episode: 1) Sun is preggers (which we pretty much knew from the previews a month ago), and 2) Henry Gale may be an other. Wow, shocker. I think ABC knew what a dud this episode was, thereby necessitating the "next week FIVE things happen" advertisement. The final scene with Henry was cool, but beyond that this episode was a severe letdown. Maybe when I watch it again my stance will soften, but I guess this brings my expectations about this show back down to a reasonable level. Should have known they every episode couldn't be as good (or better) as the one previous. Oh well, I hope next week makes up for it.

#1. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 11:24 AM

On another site, the song listed that Locke was listening to was Oingo Boingo's Kiss My Ass.

#2. Posted by: Shannon at March 23, 2006 11:27 AM

I think this episode set the stage for many events that are to come. I am looking forward to the next episode. Did anyone else notice the Widmore Labs on the pregnancy test? Same as from Charlie's flashback.

#3. Posted by: Trev at March 23, 2006 11:31 AM

1. HENRI IS ONE OF "THEM" and Sayid,Charlie,Ana-Lucia WILL encounter ''others''.

2. Sun is infected. Remember, that Claire was kidnapped with her baby and now the others want the baby.

3.I think Charlie was on dope all the episode long. Also, he's getting the bitchy attitude of Sawyer.

#4. Posted by: Laurent at March 23, 2006 11:35 AM

Nice Stripes reference! I can't wait for Hurley to join Jack and Ana Lucia's army so he can become a lean mean fighting machine.

Hurley: Well, my name's Hugo Reyes. My friends call me Hurley. I dont know if you've noticed, but I got a slight weight problem.

#5. Posted by: Matt at March 23, 2006 11:37 AM

Another great Sawyer nickname, this one for Sun, he called her "Sun-shine"

#6. Posted by: blarry at March 23, 2006 11:38 AM

WTF is Ecko doing in the woods ? I hope he is constructing something called a house. They've been on the island for 2 months now and they are still enjoying sleeping on the sand. They have all the time and all the wood they want to construct a nice village, with a milkman, a postman. They could bring electricity on the island, so they could bake fish and make dances for the youngest.

#7. Posted by: Laurent at March 23, 2006 11:43 AM

What a letdown - not a very good episode at all. I'm sick of Sun & Jin. They're too boring - I'm hoping one of them will be killed off this season. Their story has hit a dead end. The Henry moment at the end was kind of cool, and Charlie getting caught with the gun (why didn't Ana or Sayid question him?) was definitely a clever moment, too. Next week looks pretty good, though.

#8. Posted by: Mike at March 23, 2006 11:47 AM

I agree with Mike about Sun and Jin. IMHO, their episode from Season 1 was the weakest of that season, and last night's episode was by far the worst episode of the entire series. It was almost entirely devoid of advancement of the story. Oh well, they can't all be gems. Next week better make up for it.

#9. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 12:02 PM

I disagree with the majority concensus that this episode was boring. This Henry thing is getting more intriguing each week and...come on! A nice shot of Matthew Fox wet, naked, and dripping? Doesn't get any better than that! I wondered about Widmore Labs, too. But the rest of the label on the box doesn't seem to have any other easter eggs hidden on it. Which flashback was it in?

#10. Posted by: Trinity at March 23, 2006 12:04 PM

Can someone recap what the teaser for next week told us?

I only ask because we won't find out anything new besides what the teaser commercial already tells us.

#11. Posted by: schiano at March 23, 2006 12:05 PM

Henry is obviously an Other. I like where you’re going with the Henry-Rousseau link. Although I don’t think its so simple. Somehow the others have given her an opportunity to be with Alex again? Maybe even be a part of their group? In order to get whatever she thinks she going to get, the Others are using her to get into the Losties Camp with henry.

#12. Posted by: WOOFFER at March 23, 2006 12:08 PM

I can understand where people are coming from regarding their disappointment with the episode, but I always look upon these "slower" programs as something that needs to be inserted into a show if it's going to build properly. Like any good story, every chapter has to lead into the next -- if you have cliffhanger after cliffhanger, the big payoffs become less impressive because it's a boy who cried wolf scenario every week.

On top of that, Lost is very fortunate to have some excellent performers. In lesser hands, the Sun-Jin story woudl come off REALLY bad. As it stands, I thoroughly enjoy this plotline because it gives the show a depth that many action-focused shows lack ("Battlestar Galactica" is another show that follows the same track -- fantastic action e episodes couple with great character arcs).

#13. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 12:08 PM

Good review as always Mac. Love the Stripes and Atlantic Starr reference.

I really liked this week's episode. I'm not a big fan of Sun and Jin, but I thought it was a good one. The question is: (1) did the island/dharma somehow "fix" Jin's, er... problem (just like Locke's legs) or (2) did Sun lie and have an affair with Kareem, the English teacher (which could have been as recently as 8-9 weeks ago (in "Lost time"). My first thought was door number "2", but after thinking about this more it has to be door number "1". Jin just got about one week ago from his raft/tailies adventure and he sure was happy the next morning after being with Sun (remember that look from Hurley at Jin?).

I love Henry Gale since he is such a manipulative bastard.

The one thing that I'm most excited about is that we have at least two more consective new episodes coming up. Woo-hoo!

Marty.

#14. Posted by: Marty at March 23, 2006 12:12 PM

Schiano, basically what happens next week is the hatch goes schizo and all hell breaks loose (doors slamming, lights flashing, general ominous mechanical shenanigans). Without being more specific, the teaser promises 5 things will happen next week that will make us flip our lids.

And I agree with Mac's point about needing slow episodes to control the pace of the show and provide necessary character development. We had several of those in Season 1, and I think last night was the first time we had it in Season 2. But I still take issue with the placement of the slow episode (following a month-long break) and the complete lack of plot advancement (nothing happened that we didn't already know of suspect).

However, as mad as I am about the episode, I'm still looking forward to next week like a kid looking forward to Christmas!

#15. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 12:21 PM

"Anna, Sayid and Charlie set out for Mordor" - beautiful! Great wrap-up!

The exchange that led to them going was:
Sayid - "That's at least a day's walk."
Anna - "Then we'd better get going."

Don't these people ever think to start out at dawn? Why do they always embark on long treks in the middle of the afternoon?

#16. Posted by: Tom_Sawyer at March 23, 2006 12:23 PM

Did anyone else notice that when Ana was in the hatch, Jack was trying to listen and said he could not here anything, but it is pretty obvious that Henry Gale can hear what is going on outside the hatch. Maybe Henry Gale has super hearing powers. Just a thought.

#17. Posted by: John at March 23, 2006 12:25 PM

Whether or not Gale is an Other (and he probably is), it's in his best interest to make his captors believe he has essential information that they'll only get if they keep him alive at least a few days longer. Anyone else wondering how he knew Ana Lucia didn't go looking for the balloon alone? Also, it you're correct that Sun's flashback was about a year before the crash, then my first guess that it's the English teacher's baby couldn't make sense. Who's the father?

#18. Posted by: Kim at March 23, 2006 12:32 PM

So, didnt Hurley distribute all of the hatch food and swipe a private stash for himself? Seems like a continuity error since Locke said there was a "whole pantry full of food."

#19. Posted by: jraw at March 23, 2006 12:41 PM

I am thinking that Henry is still an other and that the trio will find the balloon so in turn Henry will be believed. The group will relax and believe him and then something will happen...I think he is a mole for the others. I think the balloon will have been planted just for this purpose, to place a mole in the lostie's camp.

#20. Posted by: Robin at March 23, 2006 1:01 PM

I, too, tend to think Henry is an Other. The only reason I'm hesitant is because it's so *obvious* that he's an other. And as we all know, nothing on this show is obvious!

#21. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 1:03 PM

I for one, really liked this episode. But then again, I kinda like sappy story lines. What can I say, I'm a hopeless romantic. And... WOW, Jin and Sun are a very good looking couple in PJs!

So, anybody else think this baby could be the "Island's" .... some sort of emaculate conception?? I know, far fetched, but I'm remembering the whole Charlie, Religous, thing...

Love this blog Mac!

#22. Posted by: GeekyGal at March 23, 2006 1:14 PM

It seems that everone that goes into the hatch to interogate Gale ends up giving him a confession of some sort. Could there be a reference to Catholicism, and Gale is a preist? Or is that too far fetched?

#23. Posted by: we at March 23, 2006 1:15 PM

Just remembered something I forgot to include in the review:

When Ana interrogates Henry, Henry offhandedly mentions that Eko cut off his beard. It's a quick little thing, but Ana seems surprised.

Henry is the master at this type of comment -- the innocuous, flighty moment that appears to mean nothing to him, but he also seems to know *exactly* how to tweak each individual castaway.

#24. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 1:17 PM

True, anybody who walks into that hatch holding cell seems to turn into a babbling pansy who for one reason or another feels compelled to confess their sins to Henry. Also, people seem so easily manipulated by him (I'm still bothered by how easily he got Locke's panties all up in a bunch in the previous episode). His methods all seem so hokey, yet they always work like a charm.

The Losties have had enough experience to know that The Others are a crafty and dangerous folk, yet everybody besides Sayid seems to be unwilling to find out the truth by any means necessary. Finding a balloon in the jungle does nothing to prove Henry's "innocence," so somebody needs to step up and get some answers. Sawyer? Somebody?

#25. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 1:39 PM

John...
Jack couldn't hear what Ana & Henry were talking about in the armory b/c Locke was blasting tunes on the record player...i don't think it was a hint to Henry's super "Other" hearing, but i've been wrong many times before tryin to guess whats going on w/ Lost.
Swiching gears for a moment - Did anyone else notice how SMOKING HOT Sun looked in that skimpy green outfit at the beginning of this episode? She has officially replaced Evangeline as the hottest Lost-away in my book!
great review as always mac!

#26. Posted by: Matt at March 23, 2006 1:47 PM

Just something that I've been thinking about:

How is it seemingly 'ok' that Jack and Locke are living in the Hatch, shaving and taking hot showers while the rest of the Losties are hanging out outside, with all of the environmental dangers...?

#27. Posted by: Adam at March 23, 2006 1:51 PM

yeah, its almost like the holding cell has turned into a make-shift confessional, and they go in alone and confess their sins.

#28. Posted by: we at March 23, 2006 1:51 PM

After repeated viewings of the preview for next week it looks like a lot is going to hit the fan.

They find the hot air balloon with the smiley face but just because it is there doen't mean that is how Henry got there. If he had known about the plane with Echo's brother in it he could have made up a story about coming on the island with that plane. We aren't supposed to trust Henry Gale and we're supposed to second guess ourselves on him, thats what the writers want. I say he's an other with lots of information. Remember what Rousseau told Sayid, "he will lie".

It looks like Sayid will return with a gun pulled on Henry and then someone forgets to press the button because the whole hatch goes on lockdown. Lights start flashing, the speakers roar and the whole place has gates crashing down in an Indiana Jones fashion.

The most peculiar shot that I can't seem to figure out is Henry Gale's head popping out of a vent of some sort. I'm thinking that after the lockdown he and Locke find a way out of the hatch through the ventilation system. This all happens after Jack goes besserker on Gale roughing him up and then heading out to save Sayid, Ana, and Charlie.

#29. Posted by: Dustin at March 23, 2006 1:58 PM

The tune Locke was listening to was "Pushin' Too Hard" by the Seeds, I believe.

On a different subject, I too think Henry Gale will turn out to be an "Other". How about this:

What if 'Adam and Eve' found in the cave were the original balooning couple and Henry is assuming the identity of the husband to have a somewhat verifiable reason for being on the island and not being an "Other"?

At this point, given the preview of next week's show, I am not sure that Anna, Sayid, and Charlie are going into a trap set by Henry. It looks like they will find a baloon in the trees "Why is it not raining here?" (Look up). If it is a trap, there would be no reason to send them to where a baloon actually was.

#30. Posted by: Stupid Toad at March 23, 2006 2:26 PM

Could the balloon be Desmond's, from his trip around the world?

#31. Posted by: madeira at March 23, 2006 2:30 PM

Gale is NOT an other. Why is everybody assuming he is one? In the preview for next week, your hear Ana say "why isn't it raining over here". They proceed to look up and see the balloon stuck in the trees. Also, if you look at preview pictures from next week, they show Ana kneeling beside the grave of Gale's wife.

#32. Posted by: Its_Obvious at March 23, 2006 2:33 PM

thanks for the great recap, mac...but I was wondering why you said "and Sun wisely pays little attention to the words coming out of Jack's mouth." when the part that succeeds the backstory implies full disclosure of the pregnancy and sterility...everything except the English lessons?

#33. Posted by: JT at March 23, 2006 2:34 PM

Just because we find the balloon, doesn't mean Herny is not an Other. I agree with whoever said that it could be Desmond's balloon - by the way, when are we going to see Desmond again? One of the more intriguing characters.

I think the French Chick is in on this somehow. Notice in the "previously on Lost" part of the episode, they made the point to focus on her "finding" Henry, to remind us again, she plays a role (however small) in this whole Henry thing.

By the way, whoever said Sun is hotter than Kate is on crack.

#34. Posted by: Mike at March 23, 2006 2:44 PM

At the risk of sounding crass, Sun is what we call a "butterface." Kate, on the other hand: hubba hubba.

#35. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 2:51 PM

Alllright, I enjoy a good "who's hotter" conversation as much as the next person, but I'd like to divert from the Sun vs. Kate thing.

And JT -- the Jack comment was just a pot-shot; there wasn't much to it, although I do think it's interesting that he's going on about "truth" and such, yet he and Locke are hiding a prisoner in the hatch.

#36. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 2:53 PM

Great review as always. As usual, I will make my points as a list.

1. I thought this episode was good. However, this blog is starting to beat me down b/c it seems that most posters can't be pleased at all. I think the writers are trying to not make the same mistakes that Alias did. In Alias, the best plot was the initial one, and they ruined it by moving TOO fast. They had to re-invent the show over and over until it sucked big time.
2. The writers are leading us somewhere, thats for sure. It may not satisfy "comic book" viewers, but I think it is great. In this episode, subtle alliances and character complexities are coming out. Could A-L, Sayid, Charlie, and Sawyer beome allied. Jack is now pretty much alone (hmm...very Lord of the Flies-like). Is Sun a "good" person or is she hiding anything?
3. I never thought Evangeline was hot, but I could handle Sun in some more bedroom flashbacks.
4. Could Henry be controlling the islands power to make thoughts into reality? Maybe he caused the balloon to appear?

#37. Posted by: texasrobster at March 23, 2006 2:56 PM

I must be on some serious crack then...lol. Evangeline has always struck me as a prude honor student, not the "dirty-hot" chick that her character seems to strive for. I think its the freckles and the Clearasil-face. Sun, on the other hand, is the hot, neglected, foreign house-wife from next door. Pass the butterface please...

#38. Posted by: texasrobster at March 23, 2006 3:06 PM

Guys, seriously -- enough with the Kate/Sun stuff. I don't want this place turning into a den of who's hotter iniquity. Just isn't worth it.

#39. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 3:08 PM

Man, I got scolded for saying I hated the episode AND for commenting on Kate/Sun! Rough day.

Just kidding. You're right, Mac, it's best to stay above the fray regarding the aesthetics of the actors. Didn't mean any harm!

Now, back to how much I hated this episode....Just kidding again.

#40. Posted by: KG at March 23, 2006 3:11 PM

LOL -- a double scolding! I think that's a record!

Sorry if I seem kinda harsh on that stuff; I've just seen too many instances of casual comments turning into something that spirals out of control.

#41. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 3:14 PM

Mike: Sun is hotter than Kate (Kates too... butch)

And her in that outfit... yummy!

Anyway, I believe the reason that Henry can hear outside the hatch but noone can hear inside is becuase of background noise. There is none from inside the hatch. Outside the hatch there are noises comming from many other places, like the equipment.

#42. Posted by: RD at March 23, 2006 3:30 PM

I couldn't tell from the previews for next week if the balloon had a smiley face on it or not - all I could see is that it was yellow and orange.

I thought that the banter between Jack, Locke and Henry at the end was very interesting. The most interesting point to me was when Henry asked how old the cereal was, and then went on to talk about how they certainly haven't asked many questions about things on the island. My jury is still out on whether he is an "Other" or not. If he is, why would he bait them to ask questions that might ultimately lead to an island search for answers. He would know that they were supposed to stay in a certain area. It makes sense if he had been living in the woods by himself and then was taken to a place with electricity and running water, that you would stop and ask some questions.

#43. Posted by: AEC at March 23, 2006 3:32 PM

******** READ THIS NOTE FROM MAC *******

Now that I hopefully have your attention, please, for the love of god, stop with the Kate, Sun, hot stuff. The message appears to have gotten through to most folks, but if you are just coming to the blog and you feel the need to post, stop yourself and read what I'm saying right HERE.

Thank you. The last thing I want to do is delete posts, but if it keeps up I'm going to have to make that happen. And believe me, that is NOT something I want to get into.

-- Mac

#44. Posted by: MAC at March 23, 2006 3:33 PM

(sigh) Now Mac, you know you scolded me a while back after joking that certain topics should be banned. Yet, now you are targeting a few innocent comments about two of the main characters? Surely we have time to at least acknowledge the relevance of the bedroom scene. I think I even saw a Dharma logo on Sun's lingerie...pause it, look real hard on high-def and I think you'll agree that the topic warranted a minute or two of discussion.

#45. Posted by: texasrobster at March 23, 2006 3:33 PM

LOL -- touche ;)

The problem I have is that the discussion isn't about the characters (even though their names are being mentioned). It's about the people who play those characters and that's a road that isn't worth going down.

Man, I can always tell when an episode didn't hold people's attention ... minds start to wander a bit (and I'm not saying they shouldn't -- I, too, can acknowledge and admire -- but just don't do it here).

#46. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 3:36 PM

Ok, noone has said anything about it yet.
Durring "Jin's Perspective", I believe that Bernie & Sawyer were speaking backwards.
Ok, they weren't actually speaking backwards but what they said was played backwards on the soundtrack to make it sound garbled from Jins point of view.
Does anyone have a way to reverse the soundtrack?
What were they saying?

#47. Posted by: RD at March 23, 2006 3:48 PM

i thought that to but theres no way to tell

#48. Posted by: Rex at March 23, 2006 3:57 PM

I wondered if anyone else notice the change in Charlie in this episode? He's acting more driven, his comment to Ana about her being a Murderer, the way he started to hand her the gun then giving it to Sayid. Were did he get the gun? He's acting as if he is on the edge of going postal.

#49. Posted by: Michael Brooks at March 23, 2006 3:58 PM

yeah it was a prison if they caught any others in the war

#50. Posted by: Rex at March 23, 2006 3:58 PM

Yo Mac, I've said it before, and dammit it's true again- that was your most entertaining episode review yet! I challenge myself everytime to try to make it through without laughing and it's just not possible.

And please give some of these posters a break...it's taken me 1/2 hour to read through these comments and if I hadn't refreshed the screen before posting I would've missed the new posts containing your warnings about the 'hotness' issue and posted a 'hotness' message too. (WOW I was happy Jin made Sun do that 360 turn...) Plus it takes us a while to type in a half-decent message, and you may have posted your warnings in the meantime.

I tend to believe Sun when she swore to Jin that she had never been with another man. I do think there's more to the story with the English teacher though, which we may see in a future flashback (oxymoron?). My guess is that the island somehow jump-started Jin's sperm production or made the few he had SUPER-DUPER swimmers. I'll be pissed if the 'island immaculate conception' theory pans out.

Kudos to the writers for successfully working all of the major characters into a single episode. Bravo! Bravo! Keep it up!

Um, except for Eko. Popular character. Need more of him.

I'm confused as to why Sawyer still has all of the med supplies. Shouldn't Jack have them? Guess Sawyer just likes to hoard everything for power and bargaining.

I was also whole-heartedly confused with Locke's 'there's a pantry full of food' comment. I really thought they ate it all at the island party and Hurley hid the leftovers for his personal use.

#51. Posted by: JoePike at March 23, 2006 4:06 PM

JoePike -- You make incredibly valid points and I appreciate your comments. You're right -- there are all sorts of factors that come into play with the posts and I fully acknowledge that some folks may catch the warnings mid-stream. Makes total sense.

But my concern simply stems from a desire to make sure this place continues to be a haven for fun, interesting, discussion on the show itself, not the folks on the show.

So, that's the reason for all the flailing and wailing on my part. But I very much agree with what you're saying.

#52. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 4:09 PM

Just because Henry said he came to the island in a balloon they all believe that to find it where he says it is makes it so. Well, what if someone else had come to the island via a balloon - they get captured by the "Others" and anytime the "Others" need to use a cover story they say they came by balloon.

Locke walks - Jin .....ah.... succeeds? You just never know what will happen next.

Love this site - first time I've added my 2 cents.

#53. Posted by: DK at March 23, 2006 4:13 PM

I believe Sun was telling the truth about her not being with anyone else because she did not have to tell him about his shooting blanks.

#54. Posted by: mad about lost at March 23, 2006 4:16 PM

Mac:

Regarding your thoughts on the books being read on the island. I thought that it was funny that Sawyer was reading a book about a girl who REALLY wants to grow up and start menstruating, and Sun walks up and asks for a pregnancy test.

Also, you failed to mention the book "The Brothers Karamazov" by Dostoevsy. Henry Gale's map was drawn on the back of the title page of this book.

The story follows the lives of old man Karamazov, a filthy penny-pinching lech and his three sons. Each son represents a different side to the Russian character: Dimitri the spoiled lout or the prodigal son, (Clearly Charlie) Ivan the tortured intellect, (Jack) and Alyosha the spiritual searcher (Locke).

Now, I don't wanna get too deep, but that was definitely in there for a reason.

macmama

#55. Posted by: macmama at March 23, 2006 4:23 PM

Henry Gale could be an Other AND truly have crashed in a hot air balloon. Why does it necessarily have to be one or the "other"? We see a yellow hot air balloon in the trees for next week's episode. The real question is whether Henry did land in the baloon or if it was someone else and that is Henry's cover story.

Secondly, would you really eat anything with the Dharma symbol on it?

#56. Posted by: saywhat at March 23, 2006 4:34 PM

I've been wondering about the worried look on Sun's face, as she was hugging Jin near the end of the episode. What could it mean? Some possibilites:
1. Jae Lee (her "English teacher"), is the father. Even though Jin will never know, her conscience is really bothering her.
2. She knows that pregnant women are prime targets for the Others, so she's worried about her safety and her baby's safety.
3. She's just worried in general about the prospects of giving birth and raising a child while stranded in primitive conditions.
4. Somebody else (Michael??) is the father. In this case, it will become obvious as soon as the baby is born.

#57. Posted by: RAR at March 23, 2006 4:35 PM

Mac, I like your third theory about Rousseau & Henry being co-conpirators, it makes sense. After all, she didn't really NEED to go to Sayid after she "captured" Gale, she led him there on purpose.
Wonder what the Widmore Labs means (to anyone who forgot - it was the sign on the building in London in Charlie's backstory).

#58. Posted by: Christina at March 23, 2006 4:37 PM

Just realized something - the sign in London was "Widmore Construction" and the pregnancy test was from Widmore Laboratory. Must be a subsidiary of Dharma, they have a hand in everything like Dharma does.

#59. Posted by: Christina at March 23, 2006 4:41 PM

Do we know if the pregnancy test came from the hatch's medical supplies or from a passenger's luggage?

#60. Posted by: AEC at March 23, 2006 4:44 PM

The pregnancy test must have been from the luggage, because how would Sawyer get the hatch's med supplies, unless he stole some when he was in there with his injury. Also, why that hatch would have a pregnancy test is beyond me. The other (medical) hatch, maybe.

#61. Posted by: Christina at March 23, 2006 4:50 PM

I agree with whoever mentioned that if all you wanted to do was listen to theories, why announce yourself at all, when you know the resulting conversation would be questions and not talk about theories.

#62. Posted by: Christina at March 23, 2006 5:00 PM

Someone asked a while back if there is a smiley face on the hot air balloon. I checked the preview on my Tivo, there most definitely is a smiley face visible.

#63. Posted by: Dustin at March 23, 2006 5:04 PM

Maybe its a Dharma experiment.

#64. Posted by: Christina at March 23, 2006 5:04 PM

Hey Mac,

Love the blog, first time comments. Remember when the French chick caught Sayid? She was brutal with him and tortured him Rambo style on the electric bed looking for her kid. Now she catches Henry and all of a sudden she like, “hey, why don’t you guys see what you can find out?” It just doesn’t fit and I don’t buy it. What does she have to gain from giving him to the Lost Boys? I think he’s a mole back to recapture the hatch. They caught her and set it all up and promised her kid back. Especially since Alex is too “good” (remember the last episode?). Think about it, where did good old Desmond go? He’s an “other” that’s for sure. He goes back to the Pirates of the Caribbean squad and tells them they got in the Hatch and they got the guns. All of a sudden they’re all worried about their rule on Gilligan’s Island might be in trouble. Remember, they know the Lost Boys whacked Ethan with a couple guns. What would they do with a stash that Eko would be proud of?
This is how I see it play out; Henry is playing mind games with them, sending some out on a wild goose chase (big deal, so he know the way to a balloon. I wonder how long he’s lived on the Island. You always have to have a cover story just like Desomond.) Once the opportunity presents itself, he trips the hatch defense systems since he’s been there before, and takes out who ever is in there. Then he gets on the old Apple IIe and starts talking to his theater group saying they guns are gone but he’s got the Hatch back. (Remember Michael was talking to Walt on the old Commodore 64 so it’s entirely possible to communicate 2 ways) 10 bucks that there are some secret doors and or tunnels in there that the “others” can access once he’s inside.

On a side note, has anyone ever mentioned a possible connection between Sawyer and Kate (freckles)? Didn’t Huck Finn have freckles and his father was a drunk and either was killed or died? Also, both Tom and Huck were always getting into trouble and scheming (some correlation to their past and a little to their present?) just a thought.

Nice recaps, looking forward to next week’s episode.

#65. Posted by: CMW at March 23, 2006 5:15 PM

First post here, but I've been reading you guys for several months.
I really think Henry really wanted Jack&Locke( aka The Ropers)to know he's smarter than they could have guessed, but if he's an Other, haven't they crossed the missunderstanding line?Shouldn't Zeke be on his way?
Here in Spain, they're trying to translate it or something and I guess that summer will bring 'Lost' over, so I've become a spy in order to satisfy my curiosity 'bout this series. Mac,thanks a lot: ever tried to write a book??

#66. Posted by: drusylla at March 23, 2006 5:54 PM

Whew Mac, thanks for ending that silly debate on the hotness of Sun versus Kate. It really was detracting from the seriousness of the show. Typical of men to lower the tone into a "my brother's bigger than your brother" type argument.
Now let's get back to business. When are we going to see more of Josh Holloway with his shirt off? That man is hotter than a pot of gumbo in July.

#67. Posted by: El at March 23, 2006 6:16 PM

Read the comment about the time when Jin was listening to Sawyer and the other guy. Yes, it was basically backward dialogue. Here's a URL for it.

http://www.lostblog.net/misc/sawyerbernard.mp3

#68. Posted by: jS at March 23, 2006 6:25 PM

Mac, do you like all my favourite movies from the past. 'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure', 'Monty Python's The Holy Grail' and now a quote from 'Stripes'?! 'Any of you call me Francis and I'll kill ya!'

Next movie to quote. 'Ford Fairlane, Rock and Roll Detective'. (Although it kinda sucked)

#69. Posted by: SnakeJake at March 23, 2006 6:58 PM

Great review, thanks Mac!

So if the preg test did not come from the hatch, someone brought it on the plane, so who else is pregnant? Cindy? We still don't know where she disappeared to and perhaps she is linked to Dharma/Widmore. Not Libby? I agree the island "fixed" Jin's mojo but I am bothered about Sun's teacher...there is something about him.... Rich... failed relationship in America. Maybe Dharma keeps his mind off his troubles.

Henry is a great addition! I love his mind games, seems like an Other and they needed a new mole...

If the medical bunker had an escape hatch why wouldn't the Swan? I guess we see next week. What a great show!

#70. Posted by: Lesley at March 23, 2006 7:02 PM

Asante all,
I thought that I heard Sayed and Charlie talking about a dining room or dining table.
I wonder how Sawyer still has all the supplies, when he made such a stink about people going through his stuff - I mean unless there is so much more stuff in the hatch, someone, like Jack should have taken all the medical stuff.

#71. Posted by: starserpent at March 23, 2006 7:05 PM

No matter how many times we say it, you deserve it even more everytime we repeat it - great review Mac! Loved the Mordor line!!

I agree with you that this was a great episode. Certainly we have come far enough to believe that miracles(wierd stuff?) do happen on this island so Jin being able to hit the jackpot should not raise the issue of whether Sun cheated on him - i was totally convinced when she tells Jin she has never been with another man. Man, I wish there was some way to thank the Lost "team" for showing us the "true" Sun!

Desmond could not have been in the balloon as he said that he shipwrecked on the beach and thats where Kevin(did I get the name right?) ran out from the jungle and told him to follow him.

How long do you guys think the balloon has been up there? i mean, wouldn't it be all torn and stuff because of the severe weather changes that we have experienced on the island? i think its a trap by the others but.....

Hey Mac, I would really appreciate it if you could clear one thing up for me. When Locke approaches Ana Lucia in the beginning of this epi, does she say "i've been here over a week..." or "you've been here over a week..."? If its the former and the tailies have been there for only over a week, then how does it seem like forever ago that Sawyer was sick in bed in the hatch? Anybody else have any thoughts on that?

That Henry Gale is one hell of a smart guy. I love the way he brought up that Jack and Locke are dumasses for the way they have been acting lately...Jack is really pissing me off but that only goes to show how good the writers are for making us not like the hero of the show. I would love to see these two "girlies" finally stand up to each other and maybe exchange a few punches!!!

Thanks once again for the great recap Mac!

#72. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 23, 2006 7:06 PM

I am sorry Mac, but I have to say this...
SUN IS GOING TO BE A MILF!!!!!

#73. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 23, 2006 7:11 PM

I enjoyed comments from the previous eposides. But some of these comments are useless and really pissed me off. Mac, don't hesitate to delete those posts. You know what have to be done.

God bless U, Mac. How miserably the episode was, you seems have a pretty good talent to cover it with enjoyable review.
And I really love the Mordor part. Henry Gale and Gollum share the same looks!

#74. Posted by: V@Z at March 23, 2006 7:18 PM

I too remember Sayid and Charlie saying something about a dining room table. Something about cutting it in half?? (I don't have Tivo) For some reason, the image of the Last Supper popped into my head--not sure why.

Since I don't have Tivo, I have a question about something that I don't remember too clearly. In the hatch, after Ana Lucia comes out from talking to Henry Gale, I remember Jack saying something to her along the lines of, "Don't worry, I didn't tell him," or "Don't worry, I haven't told anyone." I have no idea what he was referring to, or even if I'm remembering this correctly. Does anyone know what he was talking about?

#75. Posted by: mamazinnia at March 23, 2006 7:21 PM

First of all, I realize that many people found the episode to be boring and irrelevant, but that doesn't mean that ALL of us found it to be that way. So if all of you that are "bored" could stop posting insignificant crap to the board, I'm sure the rest of us (and Mac) would be greatly appreciative.

Second, I'm definitely looking forward to next week's episode. I think that Henry Gale is most likely an "Other", and althought this point seems obvious to us, I'm sure there will be some other twist stuck in there that we didn't see coming. I think in next week's episode, he will either (a)have a role in tripping the system somehow to cause the hatch to lock up, or (b) he will have nothing to do with it, but will make it clear to Jack and Locke that he knows his way around the hatch a little too well (hence the quick scene of him popping up through a vent in the previews) if they try to escape and this will clue them into his true identity, and this in turn will freak out Jack and Locke into worrying about their general safety (from holding an "Other" hostage) and A-L's, Sayid's, and Charlie's safety out in the wild, and things will go berserk.

I can't wait for things to start getting truly crazy as the finale approaches!

#76. Posted by: HurleyIsHot at March 23, 2006 7:23 PM

this is my first post, but have been reading for a while. this is a pretty good blog where the show is actually discussed. i think that henry is an other and that the balloon was already there and he just knew where it was. i dont think theres a trap he just wanted to mess with jack and lockes heads. and if he isnt an other maybe hes just messing with their heads to piss them off.
great observation/theory about roseau and henry.
charlies kind of coming into his own, but still wants to tag along and "fit" in. but i still love charlie.
last five minutes of the show were the best-hands down.

#77. Posted by: AM at March 23, 2006 7:31 PM

im not sure who said this but jack is becoming a little like the "good" leader in lord of the flies.
when are micheal and walt coming back or even going to be mentioned by someone on the island?
i hope the season finale is as great as last seasons.
jack and locke are for sure going to get into a fist fight.
i just had an idea for the show- they see a boat or plane in the distance and try to get its attention, but then the others somehow sink it or get it to turn around and the losties have to confront the others face to face. any takers?

#78. Posted by: AM at March 23, 2006 7:37 PM

maybe suns baby is hurleys! they always seem to be meeting up and they have had a couple of nice conversations. wouldnt that be a great season finale. but maybe not that would cause too much of an uproar and hurley wouldnt do something like that.

#79. Posted by: AM at March 23, 2006 7:41 PM

Nice review, mac. You're writings are much more entertaining than this episode was ;)

I don't want to comment much about the Sun/Jin storyline. This "mysterious baby from nowhere" a.k.a. immaculate conception a.k.a. "who's the real father?" plot doesn't look very innovative to me. Will they even call their baby Luke? And in case the real father will be revealed in one of the next episodes: I just don't care who it is... if I wanted to see more of these baby's-real-father-revelation stories I would prefer Alias or Galactica.

The last scene with Henry Gale was acted very well in my opinion. They really should keep this actor. I hope this storyline will bring us some real excitement, but I suppose it most likely will play out like most of us predicted from the beginning: Henry Gale IS an Other and after gaining the Losties' trust he'll do a lot of damage to them... let's call it the standard "Alias" plot. I suppose Locke's 'unlikely ally' in the next episode will also be Henry Gale. I hope that I'm wrong with my speculations and that the writers WILL surprise us in the next episodes!

btw, which episode will be the one directed by Darren Aronofsky?

#80. Posted by: Margot at March 23, 2006 7:52 PM

margot i agree with you in hopes that they'll surprise us about henry gale and it wont be quite what were all thinking, or as obvious as they seem to be making it.
the character of henry is a really great addition to the show. he has probably been put into the losties lives to tests their trust, friendship and boundaries. he might even be there as a test for rosseau.

#81. Posted by: AM at March 23, 2006 7:59 PM

Great summary as usual, thanks. ;-)

#82. Posted by: http://amateureconblog.blogspot.com/ at March 23, 2006 8:09 PM

What in God's name was Sayid doing staring at Ana Lucia while she was sleeping? None-the-less, I am glad Ana Lucia FINALLY said "I'm sorry" to Sayid for what happened. That was bugging me the whole time since the accident.

#83. Posted by: wcm1111 at March 23, 2006 8:12 PM

Hi everyone -- the comments have been pruned, so this afternoon's "conversation" has now been relegated to the garbage bin. If you see a stray post or two that looks out of place, those are ones I probably missed. And if I mistakenly deleted a post that *didn't* deserve to be axed, please accept my apology. It got to a point where I had to employ a slash and burn technique to wade through that mess.

Ah, good times.

-- Mac

#84. Posted by: mac at March 23, 2006 8:30 PM

Thanks Mac for deleting those bogus comments from the person claiming to be writers from the show. You keep the blog pure!

Todd

#85. Posted by: ToddG at March 23, 2006 8:47 PM

WHY did they decide to ignore the other hatch in this episode, not even a hint about it???

Isn't that BIG news that you would want to share? Kate was held hostage by these desguised people , didnt she want to tell sawyer, locke and jack about it????

Not even a whisper. That was bogus.

#86. Posted by: Phil Zoop at March 23, 2006 9:09 PM

how come more people haven't picked this apart? Where did locke get cereal!?!? And he says to Henry, 'oh, theres a whole pantry full of food'


uhhhhh, hello? Hurley was supposed to have given all the food away besides a stash for himself for the writers to justify him staying fat. Is this cereal thing just a huge oversight?

#87. Posted by: alex at March 23, 2006 9:18 PM

I though the episode was really good, but not so much for the content as much as how it set up next weeks episode to thoroughly kick ass. The fact that everyone is now probably marking the days off on their calenders until the next episode airs is pure genius.

Also, Ana Lucia is a cop an experienced interrogator. I think her little confessions were used to gain a relationship of trust with Henry, causing him to open up enough to give Ana the map. I also don't think she will automatically assume Henry is telling the truth just because they find the balloon.

I also think Charlie's new attitude and cynicism comes from 1 - finally being on the winning side i.e. helping Sawyer steal the guns, and 2 - after being treated like crap by Claire, he mistrusts women, causing the attitude towards Ana. Last week, I watched the entire first season again (my wife thinks I'm obsessed - sheesh!) and Charlie is always seeking acceptance from the others and seems to always get kicked in the teeth, getting shoved back into the periphery of the 'in crowd' so to speak. Not only that, but he's packing and that always makes a guy a little cocky. I think he's just tired of eating everybody's crap.

Oh, and Ford Fairlane? That movie rules! Here's to you...

#88. Posted by: curtis at March 23, 2006 9:48 PM

"...(Oceanic 815 appears to have been stocked with every item known to man)."
- Everything except a laptop computer! Difficult to believe in this day and age. This one has been bugging me.
-LOVE this blog, Mac. Great job this week and always!

#89. Posted by: djrmsn at March 23, 2006 10:00 PM

Great point, djrmsn, about the laptops. There probably were laptops on the plane but I doubt any of them survived the crash. Too bad...if they found one they could hook it up to the main computer, but they still wouldn't have Internet access with no phone lines, right?

#90. Posted by: Christina at March 23, 2006 10:38 PM

I know many people did not like this episode. Which is acceptable, but in many ways I think this episode worked. I have a feeling that this episode was simply to build up to what's next. One of my problems, though, is that Jack and Lock and the bunch are so caught in their cabin feever that they don't think like the others. Here some things I think:

1. The line. Wouldn't Henry just love to draw them to someplace past "the line". Get Zeke pissed and come off on the castaways with all his thunder and lightning? At the episode he definitely voiced waht I had been the whole episode.

2. Also, how do they know "the line"? where is it? It might very well be hypothetical, "the line" symbolizing "don't you dare go searching for us again, freaks!" What if they passed the line when looking for Claire's "Other Hospital & Daycare".

3. So, the "Other Hospital & Daycare" was deserted. Why? Where are they now?

4. So what if there is a parachute, that doesn't mean Henry's not an other. That's like saying: Just because we found the tail half of the plane they landed in means that all those people weren't captured. He was probably captured like the rest of them.

Maybe I'm just being parinoid, but no Other action makes me distracted. Henry Gale might be bluffing for whatever reason he pleases, but I seriously think that with The Others missing one of their main men, they probably won't take any crap from nosy castaways poking around in the island.

#91. Posted by: Nathan Roberts at March 23, 2006 10:45 PM

There were laptops, I can't remember what episode exactly but the one where Sayid Boone and kate plan to triangulate the french woman's signal very early on in season one, kate asks sawyer for a battery from a laptop computer, sawyer pulls one out, and then pulls out the battery and gives it to her

#92. Posted by: Never at March 24, 2006 12:04 AM

mac......longtime viewer, first time caller.....radio talk show humor just to break the ice...

Great review...love them makes the show easier to follow. I think Henry is an "other" but maybe an other "other.....people speculated that there might be two camps of others....remember when he first comes out of the room and asks what the computer is for? Neither jack or locke answer.....also as he sits down for his breakfast...final meal perhaps....he says "you guys don't know much about this place do you? Perhaps he is from the other camp that didn't know about the workings of this hatch?

Also.....jack is a schmuk.....he pontifcates to sun about telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to jin and in the very next breath when kate says that he is spending alot of time in the hatch and asks if anything is going on he lies.....

anyway just wanted to add my 2 sense....

#93. Posted by: eggman at March 24, 2006 2:11 AM

Every media, like the book, pregnancy test, music, pages from books and other materials i.e. smiley face parachute/balloon. I don't remember or didn’t have time to read all the posts yet, but do you see these connections. They are almost transitions to connect people. The pregnancy test from Widmore Labs is linked to Charlie. I think Charlie is capable of forcing himself on Sun. Is the thing up in the trees a balloon or a parachute from the drug runners plane crash? Thereby connecting Eck with Henry? The map came from a book in the hatch linking Locke and Jack to Ana. I believe they know Henry gave a map to Ana.
When ever Black and White are apart or out balance each other the crap hits the fan. When they are together and balanced everything is ok. Like Sun all of a sudden felt sick when Bernard and Rose came by and they were arguing about Rose's birthday.
I don't know I may just be high..
Oh did anyone catch the full number on their cereal box, unfortunately I don’t have tivo. Was it DL9FFTR731 ? And whets that supposed to mean?

#94. Posted by: alien at March 24, 2006 3:20 AM

Two things:

1) Jin's first sentence was "You'll ... find ... Walt, Michael" and it wasn't nearly as cheesy as his "I love you" in this episode.

2) What's with all the Kate hate? Sun asked her a question, Kate answered it honestly ... I don't think it was meant to be a big revelation, but you so cleverly used it as a means to bash Kate.

#95. Posted by: Jansen at March 24, 2006 4:01 AM

i think it is important to remember there is absolutly nothing tying this henry gale guy to the hot air ballon.whos to say the ballon wasnt put there by the others. anyone notice the picture of the hot air ballon in the hatch above henry gale when he was lying on the floor. i will not believe this guy until the day sayid peels his wifes lifeless carcass from the makeshift grave henry made for her. I have to admit im not to particularly interested in sun,jin story but hey whos to say that they may not be central characters in the plot. its all up in the air!! we need episodes like this to make us appreciate the good episodes even more, credit to mac for making a dullish episode shine with life

#96. Posted by: liam at March 24, 2006 5:31 AM

is there going to be another hiatus before the next episode Lockdown

#97. Posted by: Maestro at March 24, 2006 5:57 AM

Hey Curtis, here's to you {EDITED OUT BY CENSOR} (just kidding)

Booty time, booty time. Across the USA.

[on-topic]
I think Henry laid it on a bit too thick. It was SO obvious he was trying to manipulate them. You would think that Locke in Obi Wan mode would be able to pick up on that.

Maybe Locke is trying to find good excuse to pull a Dick Cheney on Jack and shoot him... in the face. 'Hey Jack, you got peppered pretty good there.'

#98. Posted by: SnakeJake at March 24, 2006 6:05 AM

ive got a theory on the Sun/jin pregancy
Mr paik told the doc to tell jin that sun couldnt conceive cuz it is important in the korea culture to have children, so jin will leave sun in order to have a baby

#99. Posted by: Maestro at March 24, 2006 6:31 AM

hey maestro, jins fish are not swiming up the tigris, the reason why the doctor didnt tell him this is that he was afraid of jin with jins shady background, there is alot of questions posed by suns pregnancy ,like when, who, what, where, i dont think she had an affair and i believe jin is the father dont know how but he just is!!!

#100. Posted by: liam at March 24, 2006 6:52 AM

good point i wonder if the others will kidnap her wen they find out

#101. Posted by: Maestro at March 24, 2006 7:45 AM

i do not think jin is the father i think they showed us that flashback 4 a purpose and that is that jin is not the father

#102. Posted by: Maestro at March 24, 2006 8:05 AM

Mac,

Let me start by saying that your blog is without a doubt the best one on the web relating the Lost series. The episode recaps are funny, insightful, and revelaing. They always seem to reveal something that I've missed. Anywho, let me now pry my lips off your backside and put forth my own theory on HG. I definitely think he is an Other. I believe he was allowed to be captured so he could spy on the group. Remember in the episode where Claire, Crazy Danielle, and Kate find the medical hatch, during a flashback we see Zeke chiding Ethan for not getting the list and that "He won't be happy". Well my theory is that Henry was sent to infiltrate the group and get the list of names for Mr. He-Wont-Be-Happy. As for Ana, Sayid, and Charlie finding a balloon in the trees, that's just the Others helping Henry with his backstory so the survivors will accept his tale as fact. Really, how hard would it be for Dharma to buy a yellow smiley face balloon and put it in place. And even if they see a grave by the balloon, the only way to make sure Henry's wife is buried there is to dig her up, I doubt they'll do that. But, then again I could be wrong. Gotta say though, I like Henry's little monologue at the end, and the way he asked for milk was the cherry on top.

Keep up the great work Mac.

#103. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 24, 2006 8:33 AM

Before this episode began I read the synopsis in the paper to my wife (about Sun having a secret). She immediately said "She's pregnant with Michael's baby". Could be.

I like these slow episodes. I remember when the X-Files used to be interesting because it was about interesting people and then it stopped being interesting because it was about a puzzle that didn't quite fit together and even if it did, it was no big deal. I think the LOST creators are walking a very fine line and I'm not sure they can keep their balance.

I enjoy episodes like this one. I haven't like much of this season because it's all been hatch and Zeke and new hatch and so on. I originally liked LOST because the characters drew me in. I hope this doesn't turn out as weird as Twin Peaks or as anticlimactic as the X-Files.

My two cents.

#104. Posted by: calv1n at March 24, 2006 8:52 AM

Just to put something to rest...

If Sun WAS impregnated by her english tutor, and not Jin, she would be at least 2 months pregnant and would have been having symptoms LONG before now.

#105. Posted by: RD at March 24, 2006 9:09 AM

Where was Claire? We know she is back because we see Kate. Also Sun is no longer watching Aaron. They basically ignored the big news which was the other hatch. The leaders, Sayid, Jack and Locke would have all been up on this news. Locke would have been one step closer to fulfilling his destiny, Sayid to finding more clues to finding the others or finding mechanical equipment of getting off the island. Or Jack and Sawyer finding medical equipment or even the news of the fake beard because all of them has seen the bearded other or shall we say the fake bearded other. Kate did not tell anyone about her discovery? I find that hard to believe. Or even Charlie feeling no ill will towards realizing exactly what Ethan did to Claire. I can go on and on but finding a new hatch is big big big news.

I wanted to dispell the idea that Rousseau is involved with the Others just to reunite with Alex again. When Claire mentioned the possibility of Alex being at the second hatch, Rousseau regained back all that hope and supported Claire in finding that place. Rousseau turned Henry Gale over to Sayid first you know and then helped Claire. If she was in on it the whole time when she turned over Henry Gale, she would not have been so helpful to Claire and also not as dissapointed when Alex wasnt there.

It is still a possibility, and when I say possibility I don't rule out other theories, that Jin is the dad. When Jin received news of the pregnancy, he did not seemed shocked at all but embraced the news in a "finally" way. This must mean that they have been doing it either right before the flight or on the island. A man would be shocked if his wife is pregnant and they have not been knocking each other up. So that is my point, they are doing the dirty, so Jin's father status is still a distinct possibility.

#106. Posted by: Kent at March 24, 2006 9:12 AM

Even though this was a "dry" episode in that not much explanation was given, history has shown that episodes like this always reveal something. Future episodes will reveal the importance of an episode like this. Not all episodes can be "WOW"; you need to build suspense sometimes and although not much suspense may have been built, I have faith in the writers that they will tie everything together. Hey, have they let us down before? If so, would we be so attached to these blogs and forums?

#107. Posted by: Lost Boys and Girl at March 24, 2006 9:15 AM

Widmore Labs is where the Pregnancy test came from, there was a Widmore Construction sign in Charlie's backstory a few weeks ago and Michael worked for Widmore Construction in NYC (we learned this in Season 1).
What are the chances that Widmore is linked to Dharma? Pretty good, I'd say.

#108. Posted by: Sarah at March 24, 2006 9:37 AM

Okay, clearly Henry Gale is the "Him" Zeke was referring to when he was angry with Ethan during Maternity Leave. The Others are on the island thinking they have some kind of utopian society. It obviously takes a pretty intelligent person to convince you of this. Being a master of manipulation would also help further the cause. Surprize, Henry is both of these things. Maybe he feels it's time to see if the Lost aways can be converted. If not, say goodnight, Grace. I think he's purposely trying to show off his superioir intelligence by constantly badgering the survivors. It's like he's saying, "I know you know I'm an other, but I'm smart enough to make you doubt yourself and everyone you know." And Sun has been hot, y'all were just sleeping on her. Mac, love the blog.

#109. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at March 24, 2006 9:57 AM

I disagree that Henry is "him." Judging by the nature of the "him" comment, "him" is some sort of VIP. If that was Henry, he wouldn't be doing grunt work like getting "captured" by some potentially dangerous pissed off Losties. While I still think Henry is probably an Other (although I'm still nervous because he's so *obviously* an Other), I think he is just a grunt worker like Goodwin. I doubt they'd risk a VIP on a high-risk mission like Henry's (assuming Henry is indeed on a mission!)

#110. Posted by: KG at March 24, 2006 10:40 AM

I see your point, but Ethan and Goodwin lost their lives trying to accomplish something for the others. Maybe Henry felt it was time to take matters into his own hands. You know, the old if you want something done right, do it yourself. Too many people are dying and maybe he feels enough is enough. Besides Zeke, he appears to be the most intellectual other. I've been wrong before, but it just seems like he know's what he is doing too too much.

#111. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at March 24, 2006 11:10 AM

Or maybe he's like a Lt. sent by the other army because the grunts are getting offed. I just find it hard to believe he's just a soldier. He never seems to get stumped like Goodwin did with A-L, or emotionaly attached as Ethan did with Claire. Just a thought. What do you think about the whole "everyone stay on the beach while Locke and Jack stay in the hatch" bit? I would think people might get a little irritated by the preferential treatment.

#112. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at March 24, 2006 11:15 AM

Yes i also doubt Henry is "him" or a big honcho because the others already know they've lost goodwin and ethan to the losties, why would they risk a higher up's life?

unless of course the higher up was like okay nothing is getting done, im doing this my self...

so who knows, maybe he is...its all really unknown untill its known...=s

#113. Posted by: Never at March 24, 2006 11:17 AM

Excellent writing Mac!


About the Rousseau-Gale tag team possibility...why? Assuming he's an Other, and assuming they've teamed up (maybe so she can get her daughter back) what info could Henry possibly be getting that Rousseau couldn't get herself? She's been in the hatch, she's somewhat accepted in the group so could ask questions, she could certainly provide a list to Him. I don't think they're working together...doesn't make sense to me. I also think it's strange writing though to have her turn him over to Sayid. She's well skilled at torture herself - why wouldn't she have kept him to torture herself so that she could get info about her daughter's where-abouts? Why not just have written that Sayid found Gale in the woods. Hmmmm....

As for Gale drawing a map to the balloon, if he is in fact an Other, it could be anyone's balloon, it could be anyone's grave, and he's just using his knowledge of the island's geography to lead A-L, Sayid and Charlie to the Others. If that's the case, then we need to think about why he chose to tell A-L, and not Locke or Sayid or Ecko, but instead chose a woman as the sacrificial lamb. Seems the Others have a special place in their hearts for women of child-bearing age.

#114. Posted by: SthrnMstKGirl at March 24, 2006 11:22 AM

Or what if HG is an other, but he is working on his own? It seemed like Zeke said that as long as the surviors don't cross the "line", the others wont bother them. So why would they send a spy? Who's to say the some others don't have their own agenda like some of the losties? There are so many possibilities in my head right now, I'll spare you guys with my far-out theories. I can only take being shot down so much in one day (lol).

#115. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at March 24, 2006 11:25 AM

Agreed, it's time for the writers to address the living accomodations situation. I could see how some Losties might be uneasy about the hatch (i.e. Rose), but it doesn't make sense that only Jack and Locke stay there.

Here's to hoping we get back on track next week. This was a rough week -- arguably a crappy episode, boys being boys about Sun/Kate, imposters on the board (always a very bad sign), and administrative action needed by Mac. I think we're all in need of a good ol' monster appearance or a mind-blowing flashback or a major shift of alliances or something. And the teaser indicates me may just get it next week! (Fingers crossed.)

#116. Posted by: KG at March 24, 2006 11:29 AM

And speaking of the monster, has anybody read Michael Crichton's PREY lately? It's pretty obvious that the LOST writers have. I just hope they go in a different direction than the book.

#117. Posted by: KG at March 24, 2006 11:31 AM

Forgot one other thing....

Did anyone think that HG seems intimidated by Ecko? Coincidence that the black monster in the jungle that approached Ecko also was intimidated? If I were a lostie, I'd never leave Ecko's side.

BTW...Eko? Ecko? Mr Ecko if you're nasty?

#118. Posted by: SthrnMstKGirl at March 24, 2006 11:33 AM

I'd be intimidated by Ecko too if he single handedly took out two of my guys. And he punked out the monster? Clearly he is not to be flexed with. Maybe the losties are too intimidated to hang with him. Anyone else think he is building a church?

#119. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at March 24, 2006 11:40 AM

One thing that hasn't been discussed yet... but could be quite important.

What do you guys think was the "spirit" behind the Henry Gale Jack dialoge about prophets and martyrs? In which book did Henry Gale read this? Who gave him this book?

Before, Henry Gale said to Ana-Lucia:
"You people have been looking for someone to punish for everything that's happened here. Someone to blame and now you've got him. It doesn't matter what I do -- I'm dead already".

So this rises the question: is Henry Gale a martyr or a prophet? Does the difference matter? WHY did he come up with this? Wouldn't Locke be the right person for this kind of discussion instead of Jack?

#120. Posted by: Margot at March 24, 2006 11:50 AM

Margot...good questions.

I just assumed the book he was referencing was the book Locke had given him to read (and they exchanged dialogue about) in the previous episode. I don't remember what it was though, only that they contrasted it to Hemingway.

#121. Posted by: SthrnMstKGirl at March 24, 2006 12:01 PM

Don't forget that Eko wasn't the only one who had a staring contest with the monster, Locke did as well in walkabout.

#122. Posted by: Never at March 24, 2006 12:45 PM

Want pictures of the balloon?
Check out this site:
http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

Scroll further down and you will see a behind-the-scenes picture with the production crew under the balloon.
Although I still say it looks a little small to be a balloon that goes across the ocean, but you can see the basket hanging in the trees as well.

#123. Posted by: Zeppo at March 24, 2006 1:30 PM

I have a theory that could kill two birds with one stone.

We know that when Hurly gave out the food there was enough in the hatch to last one man a couple months, right? But the Pantry didn't exactly look empty, right? So chances are, somehow the stock of food must be replenished.
What is food and other supplies (maybe a new washer and dryer?) are arriving on the island via Hot Air Baloons?

The Balloon in the jungle that is going to be found next week is not Gale's baloon, it was a transport ballon that got blown slightly off coarse and was stuck in the trees.

The Others, instead of trying to pull it free, left it there to use in just the kind of situation Henry is in. It's a false alibi.

And as far as food being left, maybe Hurley didn't give away all the food, maybe he left some in the hatch to be eaten over the next few weeks. Not impossible. Or maybe the cereal was something that was distributed to Jack or Locke and they have just been saving it. I don't think the cereal should be made into the big deal it has been.

Anyway, to recap- Henry still and other, food and supplies arrive on the island every couple months via Hot Air Ballon. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

#124. Posted by: Sarah at March 24, 2006 1:56 PM

Great posts everyone, it only took me all day to get caught up (last time I go away the day after a new episode)

I keep flopping back and forth on who's baby it is. I really think that it is Kareem's but the timeline doesn't make sense.

Also, it is obvious that Locke has gone through a serious personality change. I think it is the result of being played by Soyeur. He has lost ALL of his confidence, and personally I am starting to find him VERY annoying.

As far as the discussion on the hatch - why isn't everyone FREAKING OUT to be in the hatch. Jack and Locke use it as there own personal living spaces eating showering and shaving regularly. I would be going nuts to spend as much time in there as possible. Benard and Rose seemed so dirty on the beach like they hadn't showered in forever. This whole hatch thing is really starting to get to me.

Any thoughts????

#125. Posted by: db at March 24, 2006 2:03 PM

I think the Others have a mission and that is to get Claire's baby. Only now they have to be more sneaky about it. Then they will have to wait for more babies from Kate, Ana, Libby......Cindy what the hell happened to Cindy and Desmond?

Jack and Ana's army appears to be alive and well. It seems like Sayid and Charlie are building cages (for people or animals and where are the boars?). Maybe Eko is helping when he is not working on the church. I wonder if Charlie is going to tell Sayid about the guns? That will assist him with his feelings of being "part of something" and methinks he would rather be viewed as part of Sayid's band than Sawyer's. However, I do not doubt that Sawyer will eventually reveal who hurt Sun to save his own skin. Putting Charlie back into his comfort zone "on the outs with everyone".

I am not sure I would like to sleep in the hatch but maybe button duty allows the use of shower facilities more often. Some of the folks might be afraid too. Remember Rose mentioned to Hurley early this year that she thinks the hatch is creepy? The food thing does have me baffled. I too thought the food had been distributed to everyone. And they are going to run out at some point right?

Maybe Locke will be more ObiWan when he gets his domain back under control...I sure hope so.

It sure is good to hear how often someone else watches these episodes.....my daughter thinks I have flipped!

#126. Posted by: Lesley at March 24, 2006 2:35 PM

Ever since they ran the previews for this episode almost a month ago I have been thinking that perhaps Charlie did a little more than just knock Sun out, maybe he knocked her up at the same time. It would fit with Jin's problem and Sun's claim that she wasn't with anyone else (or at least no one that she recalls). Does the positive test result fit the timeline? Thoughts everyone?

#127. Posted by: Boyd at March 24, 2006 2:46 PM

No, it couldn't have happened that way. Charlie is not a rapist. He was not out to hurt Sun, just to help make Locke look/feel like a fool for having fallen for Sawyer's con. Faking the kidnap of Sun was part of that plan. Raping her just wouldn't fit in with that plan and there really was no time for him to do it anyway. Plus, there would have been some physical evidence inside of Sun (sorry to be crude about it), and she would've known. And Charlie certainly doesn't want to take the chance of inflicting the wrath of Jin!

I too am mystified about how no one else seems to care to hang out in the hatch (which feels like civlization) instead of roughing it on the beach and in the jungle. Just doesn't make sense. And if Locke/Jack are forbidding people from getting into the hatch (Locke seems rather possessive of it!) then that's ridiculous and I for one would be telling them to piss off and let me in.

I am also mystified that no one seems to care to follow up on trying to get the guns back from Sawyer...

#128. Posted by: JoePike at March 24, 2006 3:24 PM

hi im new to this blog but i dont think that HG is another because the others already have a plant-hurley he was the one that wrote the census and locke clearly asked who was writing hurleys info for it

#129. Posted by: chris at March 24, 2006 4:09 PM

hurley is not a plant.
slow episode with big possible ramifications. maybe jin should have asked sawyer for a pack of trojans since there seems to be everything else known to man on the plane. Not a good plan knocking up your wife on island filled with people who are baby stealers, a smoke monster and no viable means of escape.
I know the islands tend to have an effect on peoples mojo but if it turns out to be an immacualte conception I'm so done with this show.
I enjoyed the plot character development but they really need to easy up on it a little bit and focus more on the here and now (and I use that terminology loosely).
On a side note would anyone really be sad if claire got sucked into a black hole from which there was no return? I really find her to be the most useless character on the show regardless of the whole thing with her baby. She is constantly screaming and crying (the sound of which makes my brain feel like its melting) and just seems to be everyones favorite target. The show would be so much better without her.
Unless she does something really bad ass at some point during the remaining episodes. Then I would forgive her.

#130. Posted by: JAC at March 24, 2006 4:21 PM

I too am wondering why no one tries to get the guns back from Sawyer. He has proved to be easy to track in the past. So why couldn't Locke or even Kate follow his trail to get the guns? Maybe they don't see him as a threat as of yet. Maybe they are letting him bask in his glory for now. After all they have Henry and each other to deal with right now.

I also wonder if Kate or Claire have told anyone about the other hatch yet? I certainly would be talking about it and trying to explore it. I would definitly tell them about finding the costume make-up!! Kate's not stupid she has to know that this is big news. She is a "Details Person" too. Back in Season One while on the bank heiste her partner had to hit her to make it look real enough to the others that she was an innocent bystander. Her partner said to her "Oh, you and your details" or something like that... I just thought it was a little funny that we figured that about Sawyer but no one ever seemed to relate that to Kate before. There is more to her character than we know yet.

I'm hoping that in next weeks episode, Locke's un-likely partner" will be Jack for a change. They never seem to see things eye to eye but maybe that will change somehow. Maybe Henry will have some kind of affect on them for the better atleast. Probably not. Henry will probably be the one instead so he can win their trust and stick it to them in the end.

#131. Posted by: cmonroe at March 24, 2006 4:40 PM

in lockdown i have heard that the hatch blows a fuse then the blaster doors open and the armoury, locke is the only one with Gale, then 2 make things worse he loses the use of his legs like in deus ex machina the button starts bleeping and the surprisingly Gale pushes the button and helps locke

#132. Posted by: chris at March 24, 2006 4:53 PM

As much as I love this show, some of the points that everyone is bringing up are bothering as much as the reruns. I am about ready to just wait for the Season Two DVD set. And I liked the episode for setting up the Ana Lucia and Saiyed and Charlie trek and the Jin Sun angle.

Everyone seems too comfortable with Sawyer ? I mean he got the beat down for less last season. Dag, the Others are there and everyone is just okay with him keeping the guns? Give me a break.

Plus, there is no saving grace to Sawyer at all anymore. I would rather see him hit the bricks than Claire ? hell let a Sith be a Sith ? kill Sawyer Darth Charlie and take your rightful place as the one. I thought that Charlie must have done the Dr. Light thing too ? and even if he didn?t what will everyone think when they find out that Charlie had a gun? Probably nothing since NO ONE seems to be cooperating with anyone.

Last thing, JinSun didn?t need Trojans if they thought they couldn?t have a kid so I?m okay about that part but ? and yeah NO ONE wants a shower?

#133. Posted by: starserpent at March 24, 2006 5:24 PM

Hello! Nice blog..love reading all the comments.

This is not really related to "this" episode but hoping someone can help me understnad why the writers are turning Lock's charachter into a ...well I don't really know what to call it.
I'm a new Lost watcher and recently finished all of season 1, and Lock by far was my favorite cast memebr. I guess I really liked how he was so smart, and really was a main leader in the group, but in his before life he worked at walmart. conned by his dad and was treated like crap from that younger boss when he worked at the Box factory ( BTW....Hurley ownes it). Now on the island he was so bad ass! What is going on? He's loosing his moo joo!!?? He truley seems like a great guy on and off the island. The most humble moment of the show for me was when they had to carry him on the plane.... I felt so bad for him...

#134. Posted by: Amy at March 24, 2006 5:26 PM

There are soooooo many characters – many of them pretty cool – that it’s going to be hard to write all of them in. I remember that Star Trek DS9 and TNG were like that. It is quite the juggling act to balance them. I found most of the characters interesting last year, especially Locke. He was a pretty weighty – oh hell, the Lady of the House is insisting that we go to dinner – so …. Locke was pretty cool and so was Claire and Jack and Sawyer and Saiyed. But damn I would rather see Mr. Eko and Ana….

#135. Posted by: starserpent at March 24, 2006 6:06 PM

my favourite charater from season 1 was ethan he should of killed charlie

#136. Posted by: chris at March 24, 2006 6:08 PM

mac how do u read your reviews from season 1

#137. Posted by: chris at March 24, 2006 6:10 PM

Did we see Henry draw the map for A.L ? Is theer any possibility that they drew this up together ?
I agree , rousseau may be working with Henry.

The map was writen on the THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV, Dostoevskys masterpiece. Four brothers who conspire and Kill their father. There is a pattern here, Heart of darkness j.Conrad ( my favourite line from that book: We live, as we dream,; Alone)


off topic: Has it been discussed that on the initiation video, the EXIT sign is reflecting in the wrong direction, so that it can be read forwards. Again, backwards is forwards, a theme throughout lost. It is clearly reflected "exit" when it should read "tixe" , any help here, maybe I am wrong. ( i just researched this and on other sites they are saying it was to reinforce that the video was made at different times )

Thanks for all the great points

#138. Posted by: neil at March 24, 2006 8:00 PM

i can totally understand why Locke called it his hatch and he has the right to decide who gets to use it and who doesn't. after all, he is the one who found the hatch and he is the one who wanted to open it up despite everyone else's resistance to that. also,i think the only reason they are limiting anyone else's visits to the hatch is because they have HG hidden in there. if you all remember from the beginning of the season, almost everyone was welcome to the hatch and they even had shifts set up for punching the numbers in...remember charlie and hurley listening to the record players, hurley and libby doing laundry???? the only reason that there are less people visiting is because jack and locke don't want people to know about HG and start freaking out.

i repeat once again, why are we soooooooooooooooooooo surprised that Jin impregnated sun? i mean if a guy like Locke can regain his use of legs and all the other stuff that keeps happening on the island, this is nothing to warrant the mistrust towards Sun....although i have to admit that when i first heard about sun asking for a pregnancy test i yelled out "michael's kid!!" but only as a joke!!!

since mac doesn't want to answer my question about whether A-L said "i've been here over a week...." or "you've been here over a week...", can someone else please clear that up for me...would really appreciate it.

i also thought i heard charlie say they were making a dining table and yeah, what did jack mean when he told A-L "i didn't tell him"?

#139. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 24, 2006 9:52 PM

katePlusSun=Fun - Sorry for not getting back to you, I totally missed your original post.

I checked my trusty TiVo and Ana says "I've been here over a week."

Hope that helps!

#140. Posted by: mac at March 24, 2006 11:37 PM

"the brothers karamazov" just a thought, take the (bro)& the A between the r,m & (zov) out.SPELLED- "the others karma"!.Meaning Charlie killed ethan thats one.AL killed that dirty "other" with the stick to the heart,thats two.Also you see sayeed returning to the hatch alone,and anna lucia and charlie underneath the balloon.Where is sayeed? May be Henry is right there is a ambush and they capture charlie and anna,while sayeed is off serching in a diffrent sector.He sees whats going on to anna and charlie and takes off back to the hatch.Now "Karma" is coming back on Charlie for Ethan,and Anna on the dirty "Other".

#141. Posted by: Jc at March 25, 2006 2:53 AM

just 2 say that the dirty 'others'name is actually goodwin

#142. Posted by: J20 at March 25, 2006 4:53 AM

how often does the ABC diary get updated??

DB-- its Sawyer, not Soyeur;)

#143. Posted by: Phil Zoop at March 25, 2006 5:06 AM

ive got episode names up to 23 and summarys -'Lockdown', 'Dave', 'SOS', 'Two 4 the road' (Kate), 'where the wild things are' (claire) 'a familar face'(Michael returns) 'flight 815' (others point of veiw e.g Ethan, Goodwin, Gale)
there will also be a major character killed off.

#144. Posted by: J20 at March 25, 2006 6:47 AM

i have also just read from a site that in the last episode at 3 groups of the others will be identified the dharma intiative (Ethan, Nathan, Zeke) the decendants from the black rock (Jungle legs) and newly discovered link widmore contructures (Gale, Goodwin)

#145. Posted by: J20 at March 25, 2006 7:11 AM

Hi. Greetings from Sweden.

Has anyone considered the fact that Rousseau might be an other? She has access to the camp and can walk around the camp (somewhat) freely, gathering information for the others.

Rousseau being an other would be the biggest OMG SWERVE~!! of the show so far.

#146. Posted by: Patboone at March 25, 2006 12:33 PM

Also, Sun saying she has never been with another man is like O.J saying he didnt kill Nicole!

#147. Posted by: Jc at March 25, 2006 12:39 PM

Alot of good stuff has been happening on the show that the only best thing to do next would have to be a major character being killed off, but on the last season finale episode of course!
Who would get killed though? OR who should get killed?!

#148. Posted by: Jc at March 25, 2006 12:44 PM

Mac, great review capturing the subleties of both episode and backstory.
A couple of thoughts. It seems possible that the backstory was also to reveal how Sun triumphed over temptation, thus establishing her "goodness". We know the others wanted Claire's baby because she was a "good" person. This could
have significance later.

#149. Posted by: SoLost at March 25, 2006 12:59 PM

As an author of 15 published novels, I tend to be fairly jaded about weak dialogue etc. I love it when a single line of good writing catches me. I laughed out loud for half a minute when Henry asked for milk and they left it at that.

Also in the interest of accuracy--and this has been discussed before as I recall--immaculate conception does not mean magical conception, i.e. occuring without either the act or the ingredients. It means conceived without sin, immaculate, and refers to Mary not the conception of Jesus that involved a deviation from the norm.

Within the miraculaous pregnancy, I think there's a point that connects Jin's "healing" to Locke's "healing" as both men had their greatest shame and weakness reversed on the island.

#150. Posted by: SoLost at March 25, 2006 1:11 PM

Another healing or miraculaous should of happened,"Hurley's eating habits.!"

#151. Posted by: Jc at March 25, 2006 1:21 PM

Sorry to post 3 thoughts in a row, but was anyone bothered by Charlie accusing Ana of murder when he pumped five slugs into Ethan? She was protecting her people, while his was pure revenge. Struck me as ludicrous and hypocritical. I know how hard it is to keep hold of all the writing threads, but quite a few seem to get dropped. Still think this is one of the best written shows going!

#152. Posted by: SoLost at March 25, 2006 1:22 PM

Actually SoLost thats inaccuracte. Jesus was born with original sin and to cleanse himself of it he had John the Baptist baptise him in the river Jordan. The true miracle of Jesus' birth was that it was a virgin birth and could only have been made possible by God. Mary and Joseph never had sex before her pregnancy, hence the Immaculate Conception. I would think a writer of your caliber would do better research before posting something and claiming it to be fact.

#153. Posted by: JAC at March 25, 2006 1:25 PM

Yes, JAC that is Eko's version of theology, but according to the Catholic church who coined the phrase (see www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm) and the dictionary definition :
Immaculate Conception (î-màk´ye-lît ken-sèp´shen) noun
1. Roman Catholic Church. The doctrine that the Virgin Mary was conceived free from all stain of original sin.
2. December 8, on which the feast of the Immaculate Conception is celebrated.

and any other source regarding the undistorted use the term, you'll find I have indeed understood this correctly. You are right that the miracle of Jesus's birth was that he was born of a virgin without intercourse between Mary and Joseph, that she was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and became with child. But the term "immaculate conception" means that she was prepared to bear the son of God by herself being born without original sin. I'm not arguing the validity of the theological concept, simply pointing out the real meaning of the phrase.

#154. Posted by: SoLost at March 25, 2006 1:43 PM

Thanks Mac!

#155. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 25, 2006 1:54 PM

You know every single person on that show has a major sin done before the crash. Each one is shown on each episode, perhaps this is Sun's sin (she committed adultery)!My point is that we seen someone on that show go through or done something horrible in thier life before this crash on the island, and they all have a link to each other or for so far.

#156. Posted by: jc at March 25, 2006 3:55 PM

That conversation from Jin's perspective was the audio playing backwards and according to the "lost-and-gone-forever" blog, this is what was said.

Bernard: Well, how do you know?
Sawyer: I got my sources.
Bernard: Aren't you going to tell him?
Sawyer: Not my place
Bernard: You should tell him.
Sawyer: Hell no! Let Sunshine tell him.

#157. Posted by: Ardie at March 25, 2006 4:11 PM

And the Lost Diary at abc.go.com (on the FOUND page) has another paragraph added saying that he/she confronted Locke that day demanding that he be let into the armory to see his brother and Locke denied that there was anyone in there.

This is really weird. Who is this person writing in the diary and if he/she told Locke that HG was his/her brother, what must Locke be thinking.

#158. Posted by: Ardie at March 25, 2006 4:19 PM

Oh, one more thing. I also was a bit confused with the timeline so I checked the Sledgeweb site's timeline and this is how they have it which I guess makes sense. The tailies have been there for 10 days.

Day 48: Ana-Lucia and the other Tailies arrive.
Day 49: Sawyer wakes up and goes out of the hatch with Kate to see the black horse, and Michael's first contact with Walt on the computer.
Day 50: Locke teaches Michael to shoot a rifle.
Day 51: Michael locks up Jack and Locke and takes off. Jack, Locke, Saywer (and Kate) go after Michael and are confronted by "Zeke".
Day 52: Charlie's dreams.
Day 53: Charlie starts fire, takes baby Aaron, and is punched by Locke.
Day 54: Eko baptises baby Aaron.
Day 55: Sawyers con resulting in his getting the guns (with Charlie's abduction of Sun).
Day 56: Henry Gale is captured and tortured by Sayid.
Day 57: Claire, Kate, and Rousseau discover the medical hatch.
Day 58: this episode.

So I guess it does make sense, although Sawyer being well enough to hike all the way to where they met Zeke just 2 days after "coming to" from nearly dying seems a bit of a stretch.

#159. Posted by: Ardie at March 25, 2006 4:39 PM

Mac: I believe the big framey thing is a dining table. Charlies says it is too big, but Sayid responded with cutting it in two.

#160. Posted by: John at March 25, 2006 5:47 PM

Good points SoLost...I had used the term 'immaculate conception' in an earlier post when I really meant 'miraculous birth'. I figured everyone got it from context, but to get technical you're right about 'IC' having been misused.

And I love the analogy of Locke and Jin's greatest weaknesses being reversed...though Jin wasn't aware of his until this episode.

I don't think Charlie is using again, I just think he's so down about Claire that his personality has changed for the worse.

Can anyone else see the Sayid/Anna-Lucia romance brewing! Stranger things have happened.

#161. Posted by: JoePike at March 25, 2006 11:35 PM

The abc diary as nothing to do with the tv series it is just a passtime the person doesn't really exsist, they just copied claires diary

#162. Posted by: J20 at March 26, 2006 4:26 AM

I think the hatch is bugged so when Gale told her about the baloon location the others went and placed one there. Also another reason why I think its bugged is because the speakers go hay wire next week. I wonder if locke finds a bug when he is jacking with that speaker.

#163. Posted by: machinehead2424 at March 26, 2006 10:03 AM

One thing that stood out for me: In the final Sun flashback scene, when the doctor confronts Sun, he makes a reference to "your father". However, the subtitle text actually says, "you're father". You would think that with all of the big brains working on this show, they might be able to bring on a copy editor to fix up the grammar. I'm also surprised that I haven't seen this mentioned yet, especially with the attention that is given to the tiniest of details on this forum. I'm not alleging that there is any meaning to this error--just an oversight by the subtitle guy.

Looking forward to next week...
jj

#164. Posted by: jeffthx at March 26, 2006 12:18 PM

hey Ardie, thanks for the timeline. it does seem really far fetched that after being so close to death, sawyer could not only go along on the hike for mike but also recover as fast as he has to not show even the slightest of signs that he was as hurt as he was. but then again, lets enjoy the fun parts of the show and leave these teeny weeny oversights out of the way...eh!

#165. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 26, 2006 1:52 PM

Margot...great questions about HG being a martyr or a prophet...I think he could be considered both depending on perspective. One the one hand, if he is an other, he is the key to the information the losties long for...the prophet. On the other hand, if he never breaks and never offers up the answers the losties want, they could kill him, and he will have died for his cause...the martyr. We will have to see how this plays out...

-Another question: How come no one bothers to ask Charlie how he got into Sawyer's good graces enough to be blessed with a gun? I would want to know exactly what he did or how he helped Sawyer in order to get one...those would be some tough questions for him to answer...

-And can we consider that important Charlie episode from earlier this season to have new meaning now, especially since this episode has raised questions of immaculate conception and miraculous conception/birth? Remeber the biblical vision scene with Charlie's mom and Claire..."save the baby, Charlie...save the baby, Charlie..."???? What if it is SUN'S baby he is meant to save, and Charlie just doesn't understand then because, obviously, no one knew she is pregnant, so he just assumed it was Aaron he was meant to protect???

#166. Posted by: Vikki at March 26, 2006 2:53 PM

hey : J20 !!!!!!!
wtf man, whats up with ruining the next few episodes for everyone else. If we wanted that info, you could have posted a link.
Thanks a lot loser.

#167. Posted by: Phil Zoop at March 26, 2006 3:16 PM

hey vikki, if it was sun's baby that charlie was supposed to save, then why did he see claire in his visions? i personally don't think that has anything to do with sun's baby but that's just my opinion.

#168. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 26, 2006 3:29 PM

Where do you people think this is going? personally, i think that this is just one big experimenT.

#169. Posted by: MeganS at March 26, 2006 5:19 PM

jj- I too noticed the grammatical error in the subtitles. We're becoming ridiculously lazy as a society with regards to our editorial efforts. I see mistakes like this everywhere, even in books put out by major publishers.

Mac- as always, great summary. Did you ever know that you're my hero?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Henry Gale is the Hanso guy. The man behind the curtain. This is all conjecture, but I think we're in for some Shamalanian revelations when the finale airs.

#170. Posted by: James at March 26, 2006 6:02 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants to know why Kate hasn't told anyone about the costumes she found. In fact the other hatch hasn't been mentioned at all. I thought maybe I missed something since life gets in the way of my watching sometimes so started recording them to watch later. I love the show but it seems to take off in so many directions and they (the writers) don't connect anything. Like why was there a polar bear on a tropical island? Season 1 was all about the "monster" on the island which turned out to be some kind of smoke thing that didn't hurt Locke or Eke. I also agree there is more to Sun's pregnancy - her look at the very end of the episode. Can't wait till next wk. Throwing in the reruns really gets me confused!

#171. Posted by: dusty at March 26, 2006 8:01 PM

just to lend to the "is Jin the father?" debate.

the day after Jin, Michael, etc. the tailies arrived from the other side of the island, doesn't Hurley gives Jin a thumbs-up when he emerges from his shelter with Sun? I know it's a lot of conjecture, but I think that fits a reasonable timeline for Sun to start feeling sick.

#172. Posted by: jerson at March 26, 2006 8:57 PM

kateplussun...I agree it's a theory about Charlie and Sun's baby that's pretty out there, but stranger things have happened on this island...I didn't develop that crazy idea far enough to figure out why it would be Claire in the vision....maybe because she is the only one Charlie had associated with a baby up until that point on the island?

#173. Posted by: vikki at March 26, 2006 9:09 PM

Is jin the father...
First time posting so bear with me...
I think jin is the father, it could happen look at loche he can walk when he was exiled to a wheelchair for the rest of his life so why couldnt jin be cured?

#174. Posted by: John's Lost in Ky at March 27, 2006 4:43 AM

As some have said before, I think we are supposed to understand that there are hundreds of conversations taking place 'off camera' that we are not priviledged to see. In a real life situation Kate would have told at least Jack about the makeup, and both she and Claire would have spoken extensively about their other hatch discovery.

My guess is that in an episode or two both the makeup and the new hatch will be referred to by other people (Jack, Locke, Hurley...) as if they had been informed of them a while ago. At least it should turn out that way if they want to keep the show a bit realistic.

If not, then they need to reveal Kate & Claire's motivation for not talking about their jungle adventure.

#175. Posted by: JoePike at March 27, 2006 8:26 AM

Does anyone else think that Sun's baby story line is going to fizzle? I mean, in normal TV series, when a female character gets pregnant, she would normally have the baby fairly soon (by season's end), because they can jump periods of time. But with Lost, every episode is just a day or two, Sun won't give birth until well into season 6! Unless they are saying she's been pregnant for a few months already, then maybe she could give birth in season 4, but still, that's an awfully long set-up, don't you think?

#176. Posted by: Sarah at March 27, 2006 9:57 AM

Sarah - we never know what they are gong to do to us. There is always a chance that something will happen to Sun and or the baby (ie I don't think that the baby will be born). Or, we can also see a big time jump in between seasons?

db

#177. Posted by: db at March 27, 2006 11:18 AM

Speaking of time jumping.... When did Sun's hair get so long!? Wasn't her hair still short when she was attacked in her garden and found passed out? Has her hair just grown that much in a few days or has she been keeping it pulled back. I think that Sun must be pregnant in real life and so they had to write that in to the script. Maybe they could say that the island causes a shorter pregnancy time. (Who knows?)

If reports are true that Evangeline Lily is pregnant then they had better show her character getting with someone soon or it might have to be an immaculate conception theory all over again. (Maybe that is what Jack needs to clear his mind and make him to wake up and think rationally again. Knowing he would be a father could give him a reason not to risk his life against the others. Just a thought.)

Also, are we going to find out why Locke was in his wheelchair? I know we are suppose to find out more about his father but I hope it explains other questions.

Also, this weeks TV Guide says that we are soon going to see a Rose/Bernard flashback and it is going to tie Rose with Locke. I CAN'T WAIT!

#178. Posted by: cmonroe at March 27, 2006 12:35 PM

you're right vikki, strange things do happen on this island and that is why i don't see why everyone is still making such a big fuss about sun getting pregnant...besides, i remember her smiling at the end of the episode when she puts her hand on her tummy meaning she is happy about the pregnancy and about her and jin's situation.
anyway, back to your point, you could be right that charlie sees claire because in his mind she is the only one with the baby. but like sarah said, according to how the timeline of the show is progressing it should be a looooong while before sun's kid is actually born. so any of our theories could be right or all of them wrong...let's hope we find out something of substance very soon.

#179. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at March 27, 2006 1:20 PM

Wow, took me almost an hour to read through all the comments, we Losties are sure passionate about the plot lines! First time posting, but long time reader... I agree that the whole Henry as an Other thing seems too obvious. I had the great fortune to get sucked into Lost during last summers reruns, and since then I've noticed that the obvious is not usually so, on the island anyway. So, what happens if he isn't an other, and his story is true? I thought he was only on for 6 episodes, maybe his demise or escape will be the biiiigggg climactic season capper?? Someone help me roll with this. If he's an other and he "takes down the house" on Wed night I'd be surprised, but not shocked!! By the way, how many epi's do we have until the summer break, anyone counting?

#180. Posted by: SarahWhite at March 27, 2006 2:31 PM

Two comments:

1 - I think Jin is the father. If Jae Lee were the father, Sun would have conceived at least two months ago (before the flight, duh). She probably would have been experiencing symptoms long before now and certainly would have missed at least two periods. It's been about 10 days since Jin returned to the camp with the Tailies and Sun and Jin re-kindled their love, and I think morning sickness can start that early on (my wife said she started feeling "different" within two weeks when she was pregnant with our son). But what about the look on her face when she and Jin embraced at the end after she revealed she was pregnant? She looked... apprehensive? Troubled? I believe her when she says she was not unfaithful, but she did develop an emotional connection with Jae Lee. So, while it may be true that she was not physically unfaithful, that really wasn't the "Whole Truth" now was it? Perhaps this is what is behind that troubled look.

2 - I agree with philzoop. Please, please, please be careful if you post spoilers. At least, do it in such a way that gives people a warning and a chance to skip past the post.

#181. Posted by: Bees at March 27, 2006 2:32 PM

I'm not entirely convinced Sun is pregant, either. This show is notorious for throwing curve balls into their plots, so maybe we'll find out that Kate also took a pregnancy test and accidentally switched them, or it was a false positive. (VERY IMPORTANT: A false positive can occur by exposing the test equipment to heat, sunlight, or vibrations, having excess protein or blood in the urine, or having pregnancy hormone in the urine from some other cause, such as a very rare type of ovarian or placental cancer.)
My thought is that Sun is NOT pregnant. That test has been stuffed in Sawyer's bag for over 2 months now on a hot, humid, tropical island and after falling out of the sky at terminal velocity from a large aircraft! It can't still be good. Plus, morning sickness/tiredness doesn't usually develop until around 2-6 weeks after conception, and Jin has only been back from the raft for 10 days. It takes 9 days just for the fertilized egg to implant itself. (A little sex ed lesson here! Bet you didn't expect to get that today.):)

#182. Posted by: Trinity at March 27, 2006 3:05 PM

SarahWhite,
Concerning episodes left before the Summer Break- The Whole Truth (last weeks's episide) was #16 this season. There will be 24 episodes with the 24th being the finale and two hours long. That is scheduled to air in May 24! So 8 more to go!

#183. Posted by: Sarah at March 27, 2006 4:03 PM

Two thoughts:
First, maybe Sun seemed concerned because she isn't sure she wants a baby with Jin. She was planning on leaving him before the crash. Seeing his behavior at the doctor's office we can see exactly why. His episode in the garden shows that at tiger doesn't really change his stripes...just a thought.

Also, I don't think that Kate or Claire have mentioned the medical hatch to anyone. Locke's new mission in life seems to be to learn as much about the hatch a possible. I think that the information about a new hatch and possibly another piece of the film would have had him in the jungle immediately. Kate's natural reaction would have been to tell Jack, but he has been giving her the cold shoulder lately and, in my opinion, has lost his standing as the unofficial leader of the community. She probably doesn't have anyone that she trusts to talk to.

#184. Posted by: AEC at March 27, 2006 4:18 PM

Regarding the oddness of a pregnancy test being on the plane....

I can't remember exactly who, but wasn't someone (Ana-Lucia??)asked a few episodes ago if she had kids and she gave some strange answer. I'm grasping here...I can't remember who the conversation was with, or who for sure was talking, but I think it was A-L. Maybe she brought the pregnancy test on the plane.

#185. Posted by: SthrnMstKGirl at March 27, 2006 5:05 PM

Here's my take on the Rousseau/Henry connection: I don't think there is one. Who would be willing to be shot by someone with an arrow, no matter how good their aim is? Rousseau has come to trust the losties, that's why she turned Henry over to them. Its just my feeling, but I think Henry is an Other and he is the one that Zeke was referring to as their leader. Can't wait until Wednesday!

#186. Posted by: Tom at March 27, 2006 5:13 PM

Does anyone have a theory about the girl in the 2nd hatch who pushed Claire to escape? I haven't seen one word about her and her motives.

#187. Posted by: Lois at March 27, 2006 6:25 PM

Did not care too much for this episode - I agree with those who thought it was quite "blah." Did not like waiting three weeks for that. However... Awesome re-cap of a less than stellar episode! It had me in stitches.

Keep up the great work!

#188. Posted by: JL815 at March 27, 2006 6:37 PM

I think that's part of the problem JL. The episode itself was as good as most but because we have been waiting for 3 weeks, something amazing would have had to happen in order for it to satisfy us. I would hope that the powers-that-be see the light that it really isn't good strategy to make fans wait too long. Absence doesn't always make the heart grow fonder.

#189. Posted by: El at March 27, 2006 9:26 PM

Could Sun have been raped by Charlie?

#190. Posted by: Endo at March 28, 2006 1:48 AM

no Endo what wud be charlies motive his job woz that there would enuff of a stir 4 jin 2 want a weapon.

#191. Posted by: ACE at March 28, 2006 3:31 AM

is it possible that sun may not be pregnant and her being unwell is actually the sickness, as trinity pointed out the pregnancy test could have gave a wrong result given the conditions heat,humidity,plane crash etc . Is the sickness a sickness of the mind? how many have it already?

#192. Posted by: liam at March 28, 2006 8:26 AM

The previews look great for this week, I just hope that they don't have a slow episode and have everything happen in the last 2 minutes making us wait another week to see what is going on. I just have a really bad feeling that this episode is a setup for next week.

db

#193. Posted by: db at March 28, 2006 10:58 AM

In response to several theories about the show, I have to say that I don't think the writers would give us misinformation. i.e., a "false" positive pregnancy test, or Sun really having an affair, or Rousseau being an "Other." This is just my opinion, of course, but I just think its uncreative to totally lead an audience one direction and then simply say, "we were just kidding, the pregnancy test was wrong b/c of humidity, and Sun really had an affair but we didn't show it to you, and Rousseau is an other, but she helped Claire escape b/c...well, she just did." Its those kind of techniques that are used when writers get backed into a corner and have no other way out. Like killing of a main character only to decide later that you need him ,so you make it into a dream sequence...remember Dallas?

#194. Posted by: texasrobster at March 28, 2006 11:14 AM

I wondered if anyone caught Locke's response to AnaLucia at the opening..he tells her she is running as if the devil is chasing her. Isn't this the same comment Desmond used on Jack in the football stadium?

#195. Posted by: tiff at March 28, 2006 2:17 PM


SPOILERS ALERT


in the description 4 sos it says jack and kate head in the jungle 2 trade wiv the others what does that mean?

#196. Posted by: ACE at March 28, 2006 2:23 PM

actually phil zoop when i go on this sight it said reveiws, comments and SPOILERS! so dont shoot your stuopd mouth off

#197. Posted by: J20 at March 28, 2006 2:46 PM

the rumours that charlie knocked up sun are ridiculous firstly the signs would not show 2-3 days after- secondly i read a post that sayid finds a balloon but couldn't that be desmonds

#198. Posted by: J20 at March 28, 2006 2:59 PM

- ABC is still reporting 23 episodes/24 hrs for SII.

- If one has read the volumes recorded at this site they would recognize the wild imagination of the viewers. So, (as mentioned earlier) maybe the lack of enthusiasm for the last episode is actually the built-up anticipation of the viewers not being fulfilled. The Sun/Jin-centric episode just doesn't carry much weight in the big picture! (Prediction) Often heard is the pining for a Bernard/Rose-centric episode...well, guess what? it will also be viewed as a disappointment. If critical connections are not revealed in backstories the viewers are left hungry - and certain backstories cannot deliver!
Mac mentioned the natural flow of the overall storyline. Also, part of this is the result of developing such a lardge number of main characters. Anticipation: where's Walt?, when are we going to see Michael?, where has Echo been?...don't you just love it?!!

#199. Posted by: JT at March 28, 2006 3:10 PM

Okay, This is really weird...

In my social studies class, we are learning about the Renesance (the time right after the middle ages) There was this guy in that time period named... John Locke!! He was this English philosopher who didn't agree with the idea that churches should be in charge of governmental issues.

Okay, THIS CANT JUST BE A CONICIDENCE... can it??

#200. Posted by: #1 LOST FAN! at March 28, 2006 3:12 PM

Wow, never thought of that. Out of all of the things they could teach in Social Studies, you just stumbled across this guy named John Locke!??!??!
OMG!!! I wonder if anyones ever thought of this before! Good Job! Well done!

#201. Posted by: qwertyuiop at March 28, 2006 3:30 PM

Why would anyone think that Sun's pregnancy is a farce and Jin might not the father? If Sun were two-timing her husband, then she wouldn't know who the father is, but Jin would definitely know that he COULD be the father. He certainly acted as though he could be, and Sun acted confused - but genuinely happy. I don't see Sun as the type of person who could be unfaithful, even as awful as Jin has been to her. We've already seen the miracle of Locke, and now Sun. I'm sure we will be seeing more soon from the other Losties.

#202. Posted by: J618 at March 28, 2006 3:30 PM

Ure right J618, miracles DO happen, many people are born by miracles, why doesnt anyone actually think something might not be as so scandoulous as it seems for once, everyone knows that some good things do come in LOST, dont be so skeptical!

#203. Posted by: #1 LOST FAN! at March 28, 2006 3:35 PM

this could just be me, and im sorry if it is, but Has anyone notcied LOST hasnt really said barely ANYbodies last name!!?!?! I mean, I know theres Locke and such but why havent we learned anyone elses last names, the fact that i found out that there was a guy named John Locke in the Renisance was just because i knew John's first and last name!! This is all too confuzing, doesnt this bother anyone else!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

#204. Posted by: #1 LOST FAN! at March 28, 2006 3:39 PM

Sawyer is really James Ford. Kate is Kate Austin. Jack is Jack Shepherd. Hurley is Hugo Reyes. I think we have heard last names, but some people are referred to by their last name as often as their first (Locke).

#205. Posted by: hookedonlost at March 28, 2006 3:43 PM

OK, this has taken me entirely too long to finally read thru! OMG - you guys throw out so many great ideas! Mac - words just can't say it!!! I've only posted maybe once or twice but - here goes. With the balloon - why does it look like it went into the trees from the ground? I've only seen that quick shot but while Sayid, Ana & Charlie are looking around in the open area why wouldn't they have seen something? Maybe the others climbed the trees to try to "hang the balloon" for a cover? As for finding a grave at the site - could it be the "other" woman that was killed by the tailies in the first 48? Why couldn't Sun be pregnant - as for her not having the baby until season who knows when - they took "Alex" - they'll probably take "sum yung guy" from Sun & Jin. After all, the island gave them the baby - the island will want it back...

#206. Posted by: katpaws at March 28, 2006 4:00 PM

Ok, this is my first time and I've only been reading the 2nd season so if someone has thought of this I apologize for going backwards. How did Sun/Jin get in Australia. In all of their flash backs they seem to be in Korea yet in the airport scene when Sun is about to leave Jin there is Jack in the front of the line arguing w/ the attendant. And if they were living in Australia all this time, don't you think Jin would have learned English. Also, could Sun's father be connected w/ Dharma somehow. I seem to remember that Jin was delivering a watch for Sun's father, the watch that Michael had, to someone in the United States. Maybe something in the watch brought the plane down at just the right time. I don't think Sun/Jin are in on it but could it be Sun's father.

Just a thought

DB in BC

#207. Posted by: DB IN BC at March 28, 2006 6:19 PM

JT , lol, speak engrish much?

#208. Posted by: Phil Zoop at March 29, 2006 12:06 AM

A straight beat a frush.

My question is: what is going on with the other survivors? Every now and then we see a collection of people for funerals, turnipmelon's birth or a jack soliloquoy.....but what the hell is going on with them....are they seeing dead people or horses like the main characters? Why are 5-6 characters involved always putting their life at risk while the rest of the survivors play hide the trouser monkey in the makeshift tent? Atleast let em use the hatch. I just don't get it.

#209. Posted by: Poop Zhil at March 29, 2006 1:06 AM

Desmond was in a boat, not a ballon, for those of you who keep bringing it up

#210. Posted by: alex at March 29, 2006 2:24 AM

How did Charlie know about "the guy you are keeping locked in a closet"??

That was never explained unless I missed something...

JB

#211. Posted by: JB at March 29, 2006 4:00 AM

JB- Sayid told Charlie about Henry at the end of "One of Them". Remember how he said he was sure Henry was an Other because he felt no remorse for the torture. And that Jack and Locke may have forgotten how brutal the Others are, pointing out that Charlie hadn't forgotten how Ethan hung him from a tree and left hom for dead. This also brought Charlie into Sayid's camp, as we saw in "The Whole Truth".

J20- It's ok if you want to post a spoiler, just do something like writing "SPOILER ALERT!!!" and then going down a few lines before revealing the info. That way those of us who don't want to see the info can quickly page down past it. (See ACE's post from March 28 2:23pm). That would be nice.

#212. Posted by: Bees at March 29, 2006 8:58 AM

#1 LOST FAN! and qwertyuiop,

I'm not trying to be condescending, but the significance of the name John Locke was discussed in detail MONTHS ago. The philosopher's similarities with the character are very much known. Trust me, details like that do not go unnoticed for more than 1-2 days after each episode.

#213. Posted by: texasrobster at March 29, 2006 9:43 AM

people have been saying that DHARMA hav planted the baby in sun but i was reading a post (Katpaws) and them burying a female other/Scientists then why cant the Dharma just make the female others/Scientists pregnant.

plus Jin making babies again is a bit more hard to explain than Lockes legs (the crash could have made him recover... which is vaguely possible)

Thanks mac 4 a great reveiw.

#214. Posted by: ACE at March 29, 2006 9:58 AM

ACE,

How can you say that? we have no idea why Locke is paralyzed. If Jin had a low sperm count, then he still has a chance to conceive a child, albeit low. By the way, anyone wonder if Sun's uncertainty was b/c she was attacked by the "others" (Charlie but she doesn't know it) and now she is miraculously pregnant. Maybe she wonders if it is Dharma too???

#215. Posted by: texasrobster at March 29, 2006 10:03 AM

hey tex just my opinion and yes you may be right the worried expression she shown at the end of the whole truth is

1 she was raped

2 the others will kidnap her

#216. Posted by: ACE at March 29, 2006 10:13 AM

DC of BC

Jin was taking a watch to people in Australia and the US, and he told this to his father when he goes to talk with him. This happen in the two part Exdous episode.

#217. Posted by: mad about lost at March 29, 2006 10:17 AM

Mad about Lost
-i dont mean to be rude but was that just relevant to the disscussion

#218. Posted by: J20 at March 29, 2006 10:24 AM

James HG looks nothing like Hanso the guy on the movie in Orientation had grey hair.

#219. Posted by: ACE at March 29, 2006 10:33 AM

I'm sure someone else has noticed, but Hanso looks a lot like Locke's Father to me.

#220. Posted by: IcebergSlimm at March 29, 2006 1:19 PM

I'm sure someone has suggested or mentioned this before, but since I haven't read it recently, here goes:
What if the crazy electro-magnet device in the hatch (remember Jack's necklace and how it was pulled towards it) is the reason that Locke is able to walk again? Granted, we have no idea what caused his disability, but if somehow, being close to the device is allowing him to walk, it makes sense that he would want to stay near it, i.e. in the hatch. The one time that we've seen Locke start to show signs of paralysis returning was when he ventured a great distance away (I can't remember where?) He's a smart man, maybe he figured out that getting too far away from the hatch is bad for his health? He's even made comments suggesting that getting off the island might not be what he really wants to do.

Second thought: I know that people have suggested that the timeline of Sun's pregnancy would suggest that she must have conceived on the island. However...what if Sun, who we know had at least ONE illicit conversation with her Dr., what if she was artificially inceminated? She promised Jin that she had "never been with another man", which would be true if the Dr. had somehow assisted her. And what better donor than her English teacher?
**Take it easy on me as this is my first post.

#221. Posted by: J-Rod at March 29, 2006 1:33 PM

This is relevant because I was answering a question from "Posted by: DB IN BC at March 28, 2006 06:19 PM"
They asked how Jin and Sun came to be in Australia. I will reference the question in the future so I don't confuse anyone, sometimes these
disscussion boards can get disjointed.

Mad about Lost
-i dont mean to be rude but was that just relevant to the disscussion

-- Posted by: J20 at March 29, 2006 10:24 AM

DC of BC

Jin was taking a watch to people in Australia and the US, and he told this to his father when he goes to talk with him. This happen in the two part Exdous episode.

-- Posted by: mad about lost at March 29, 2006 10:17 AM

Ok, this is my first time and I've only been reading the 2nd season so if someone has thought of this I apologize for going backwards. How did Sun/Jin get in Australia. In all of their flash backs they seem to be in Korea yet in the airport scene when Sun is about to leave Jin there is Jack in the front of the line arguing w/ the attendant.

-- Posted by: DB IN BC at March 28, 2006 06:19 PM

#222. Posted by: mad about lost at March 29, 2006 1:34 PM

J-rod, nice theory BUT Locke was right above the hatch with Boone when his legs gave out. (They were trying to break in). He ventured out very far from the hatch before and never had any trouble with his legs, so that theory is out. I think his legs were going out because he was under great duress from failing to open the hatch - kind of a mental strain.

#223. Posted by: aDaMsKi at March 29, 2006 6:20 PM

Neil,
Have you actually read The Brothers Karamazov? The brothers didnt conspire to kill their father. Dmitri killed his father in a dispute over money/woman... The other 2 brothers then ponder upon this from their viewpoints: intellect and faith. (dmitri-passion, alyosha-faith, ivan-reason/intellect) Its a fascinating book, with profounding depth, examining all issues of existentialism. Dostoevsky was fond of that subject. Few people have actually ever read the book though. I think it may play a large symbolic reference, though i'm not sure how yet. I don't think the "others" will be anything that we conceive as of yet. I mean come on, i was convinced echo was an other for a couple weeks, until it was revealed otherwise. Behind every action on this show lies a motive. Whether that motive is revealed or not, that remains to be seen. Things happen for a reason. "we were brought here for a reason" Indeed, but the question is: What reason? I think we will see interesting developments soon. and that nothing is as it seems...

#224. Posted by: jabberwok at March 29, 2006 7:54 PM

Actually Locke temporarily looses the use of his legs after he has the vision of the plane and then he and Boone went and found it. That's the Nigerian drug runner's plane that Eko's brother was on. Boone had to climb up and check it out because Locke could not walk and as a result of the plane falling to the gournd, Boone was injured and later died (maybe the Island was protecting Locke by making him unable to climb up into the plane).

#225. Posted by: Ardie at March 29, 2006 10:16 PM

Thanks Bees for that reminder! (Charlie knowing about Henry)

it's these infuriating delays between episodes!!!

#226. Posted by: JB at March 30, 2006 8:06 AM

My oppinion is that the others met the man who flew on the island in that baloon, took his story and infiltrated Henry between the others. If there will be a war, spying on your enemy is the first best choice.

#227. Posted by: Skandalouz at March 30, 2006 9:29 AM

MAC!!
Hurry up and get the review for last nights episode up!
I can hardly wait to start analyzing that thing.
Was a good one.

Take care!

#228. Posted by: Zeppo at March 30, 2006 9:34 AM

J rod that was a good theorie

#229. Posted by: ACE at March 30, 2006 10:39 AM

@ Ardie (Re: maybe the Island was protecting Locke by making him unable to climb up into the plane)

This was my theory exactly. Remember in his dream he saw the plane crash and a bloody Boone, and he also saw his mother pointing up to the plane. I believe that his mother represents leading him into a trap because she's the one who lured him into meeting with his father (thus getting conned into giving him his kidney). This image of his mother leading him to the plane that would kill Boone was foreshadowing of an ensuing trap. But, Locke's temporary paralysis was probably the island protecting him from being lured into it.

#230. Posted by: Trinity at March 30, 2006 10:58 AM

the episode 'Lockdown didn't surprise me but if the fake Henry gale knew the man in the graves name why didn't he take his I.D and destroy and claim he was travelling with this man.

#231. Posted by: ACE at March 30, 2006 11:13 AM

My first post...I'm really nervous! Anyway, I tend to think that Jin is probably the father, although I'm not sure why...I kinda think Kareem is a red herring...but, that being said, it is medically possible that Sun wouldn't have any pregnancy symptoms after two months. It's not all that common, but you can get what's known as a false period during early pregnancy, and as for the other signs, you just never know...every pregnancy is very different. If you combine that with the fact that Sun probably just wasn't expecting to get pregnant, then I have no problem believing that she wouldn't know for a couple of months.

#232. Posted by: bunnyfiend at March 30, 2006 4:40 PM

Regarding Kate vs. Sun, it's Claire hands down. She looked awefully beautiful in the last ep.

sorry Mac,
and were gonna need a bigger boat...

#233. Posted by: thinng at April 3, 2006 1:47 AM


The song is "Pushing Too Hard" by an old psychedelic band, The Seeds. (Sun reference?)

#234. Posted by: John at April 3, 2006 3:57 PM

sun would have known b4 2 months so jae lee is ruled out- cud be michael thogh

#235. Posted by: maestr06 at October 4, 2006 1:47 PM

ohmamec

#236. Posted by: Jarred Devries at November 1, 2006 3:47 PM

Colombia's vice president is "baffled" by Kate Moss's success following cocaine allegations...

#237. Posted by: Jesse Cowan at November 22, 2006 2:25 PM

2-16 - The Whole Truth

Sun is expecting.
A trio checks Henry's tale,
Jack, Locke - trust issues.

#238. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 1, 2008 4:28 AM