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Key Points from "?"

Season 2, Episode 21
Episode Air Date: 05/10/06

Point 1
Eko

Locke
This episode's title is apropos of my own "Lost" mental state. Right now, as the second season stands on the precipice of its finale, I have no friggin' idea what's going on.

And I love every single second of it.

So let's get to it!

The episode begins in Eko's head. The big fella is dreaming of questionable places (Get it? Like the episode title?) and the dearly departed. We know it's a dream because Ana-Lucia suddenly appears, healthy and alive and completely free of bullets. She casually asks Eko what he's building (Eko and Charlie have been erecting a structure over the last couple weeks) and Eko, shirtless and holding an axe, gleefully answers "a church." And this is when things turn all Twin Peaky.

Eko's eyes suddenly bulge. The shot swings to Ana. Her chest is streaked with red, her skin has gone pale, and a pool of crimson blood is sliding from her mouth.

"You need to help John," Ana warns/exclaims.

The scene cuts abruptly (dreams and segues just don't mix) and Eko finds himself in the hatch computer room, still shirtless and still clutching that axe. His brother Yemi (more on him in a bit) is sitting at the computer. Eko is thrilled to see his younger brother -- after all, their last encounter ended in a hail of gunfire -- and he rushes toward him, desperately pleading for Yemi's forgiveness.

Context Sidenote: This Yemi business is a little confusing for people who haven't followed the show religiously, so let's backtrack a bit for folks just tuning in. Unlike his older, drug-dealing sibling, Yemi chose a life of righteousness as a priest. At one point, Eko involved Yemi in his lascivious dealings and Yemi, who protested to the best of his ability, was forced by Eko to use his status as a priest to aid Eko's "business." One thing led to another ... big men with big guns appeared ... Yemi got shot and dragged onto a Beechcraft airplane ... and years later Eko found the very same plane in the middle of the island. Moving closer to the present day, we were led to believe that Eko found a measure of closure with his Yemi dilemma when he and Charlie burned the Beechcraft wreckage during the final moments of "The 23rd Psalm."

Got all that?

Returning to the action at hand: Eko sees Yemi in the hatch computer room and he starts stammering and stewing and saying he's so very, very sorry about that getting shot and shoved on a plane thing. But Yemi doesn't have time for forgiveness because he's got a message to deliver. Yemi looks straight into Eko's eyes and says:

"The work being done in this place [the hatch] is important, Eko. It is more important than anything ... and it is in danger. You must help John. He has lost his way. You must make him take you to the question mark ... John will not want to show you, so you must make him ... and Eko, bring the axe." (Yes, I paraphrased. This is a review, not a transcript.)

With that, Eko wakes up and grabs his axe (when your dead priest brother tells you to bring the axe, you bring the axe). It's the middle of the night, but Eko heads to the hatch in search of Locke. He arrives to find Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer and Michael outside the hatch door. It's an important moment, but I'll be covering all this stuff in Point 2. For our current Eko-centric purposes, we're going to zip ahead a bit.

Eko goes into the hatch with the other castaways and once inside, the group sees last episode's Tailie carnage. Jack wants to immediately pursue Henry Gale (whom he believes shot Ana and Libby thanks to Michael's lying lies), but Sawyer wisely notes that Jack's medical training -- and the need for said training amidst the bloody hatch -- precludes Jack from grabbing a Glock and goin' all Chuck Bronson. Without missing a beat, Eko volunteers to pursue the wayward Mr. Gale. Exactly 1.2 seconds later, Eko looks at Locke and asks/drafts him into his expedition. In the face of such charisma, Locke has no choice but to join Eko.

And this is how Eko and Locke begin a journey that will have profound consequences on the rest of the series (not to build it up or anything).

Shortly after embarking on their nighttime adventure, Locke realizes they're not pursuing Henry Gale. Eko is moving far too quickly and, more importantly, Eko appears to be walking with a purpose. Locke stops and asks Eko, point blank, just what the hell he's doing. Eko turns quietly and asks Locke: "Where is the question mark?"

Locke plays dumb -- "Uhhh, question mark?" -- but Eko knows something about a question mark because Yemi told him about it in the dream ...

Now here's where it gets a little confusing. You see, Eko knows that the phrase "question mark" is important, but he doesn't know why, nor does he know what the question mark is. Eko also knows that Locke is somehow tied to this question mark, but again, he doesn't fully understand Locke's connection.

But we do. You'll recall that Locke encountered a very significant question mark back in "Lockdown" when he discovered a secret map scrawled on the hatch blast door. The map revealed a series of structures ringing a center location ... and the center location was marked by a giant question mark.

Alas, Locke doesn't want to share this information, so he tells Eko to go shove his Jesus stick straight up ... well, you get the idea. Eko responds with a swift headbutt to Locke's noggin'. Locke goes down. Hard.

Sometime later, Eko sits in front of a fire in the middle of the jungle. Locke, sprawled nearby, regains consciousness. He asks Eko why he hit him (a reasonable question) and Eko calmly responds, "because you were being difficult" (a reasonable answer). With that out of the way, Eko proceeds to tell Locke that Ana came to him in a dream and she wants the two of them to find this mysterious question mark. Locke is fed up. He reaches into his cargo pants and pulls out the rough sketch he made of the hatch map back in "S.O.S.." Locke shoves the map toward Eko. Eko snatches the paper and immediately heads off toward the question mark ... and for some strange reason, Locke decides to go along.

The Wonder Twins continue their journey into the Heart of Darkness (I'm pretty sure this is the first time "Wonder Twins" and "Heart of Darkness" have been used in the same sentence" -- I'm very proud). Eko and Locke appear to be in uncharted island territory, but when Eko plants his foot on a plaster Virgin Mary statue it becomes clear they're on familiar ground. Eko and Locke move through the brush and into a clearing, and there before them is the burned out wreckage of the Beechcraft airplane. It's the same airplane Yemi died in ... it's the same airplane that killed Boone ... it's almost as though this very spot holds incredible importance (hmmmmmm).

Eko decides to make camp near the plane and "wait for further instructions." Locke rolls his eyes (not really, but an eye-roll was certainly implied in his Sam the Eagle expression).

The instructions come early the next morning. Eko wakes and sees Yemi's smiling head staring back at him from dense brush. In a flash, Yemi is suddenly climbing an enormous cliff that looms over the Beechcraft wreckage (it's the same cliff the plane fell off of in "Deus Ex Machina"). Yemi scampers up the cliff's thick vines and tells Eko to follow. The big man heaves himself up the wall, using the axe as a climbing device (Yemi was right about that axe!). Eko heaves and strains ... his hands struggle to find outcroppings and strong vines ... but he pushes forward and soon comes to the top of the cliff. Peering up he sees ... Yemi, sitting in a wheelchair?

The sight startles Eko. He slips! He screams! He pulls a Boone and plummets to the earth!

Suddenly, Locke's eyes fly open! He looks around ... burned-out plane wreckage? check ... mysterious jungle? check ... Eko tending to his Jesus stick? check ...

Wait a minute. Eko is alive. That means ... the dream was Locke's!

Locke is flabbergasted. How did Yemi get into his subconscious? More importantly, why was Yemi in his subconscious? Locke stammers aloud about Yemi, searching for an explanation. Eko immediately interprets it as a sign. To him, it's further proof that Eko and Locke are supposed to take this journey together. Moreover, Yemi wants Eko to climb the cliff because the top of that cliff holds a Big Fat Clue.

And so Eko climbs the cliff. Locke stays behind, watching Eko go higher and higher. Eko reaches the top, then hauls himself up. Standing, he scans the land around him and sees acre upon acre of lush green hills (it'd be a perfect setting for an 18th hole). It's all very pretty and verdant, but it's also very empty and unimportant. Could Yemi be wrong?

Eko turns toward the cliff and looks down at Locke.

Oh my. OH MY MY MY. Yemi wasn't wrong at all.

The camera pans up and up ... bringing the clearing below into focus. Eko looks down and sees ... a question mark! A giant dirt question mark is cut into the floor of the clearing! The circular top arcs toward the treeline. The descending line is hidden beneath the plane wreckage. Eko's mouth drops as he realizes what he's found.

Eko scampers down the cliff and joins up with Locke. He scoops up dirt contained within the question mark's top arc and declares that the soil has been intentionally salted so vegetation won't grow in this area. Eko concludes that the question mark is a signal for airplanes. Locke concludes that Eko is off his chump.

But Eko can't be stopped. Grabbing his axe, he rushes toward the Beechcraft wreckage and slides the axe head through the dirt, searching for solid ground.

THUNK!

He slides the axe again.

THUNK!

Eko drops to his knees and pushes mounds of dirt aside. His hands wildly glide across metal ridges and slots. Locke joins Eko and the two feverishly clear piles of soil. They stand. They look. They see ... a huge octagonal metal door built into the ground!

Locke and Eko use the axe to crack the door's latches. Locke, giddy with hatch fever, asks Eko if he can do the final honors. Eko grins. Locke grabs the side of a door and Eko grabs the other side and the two heave the metal slab up and away. Locke and Eko take a step back from the giant black hole they've just opened in the middle of the jungle. A ladder leads down ... way, way down.

What happens next is the kind of thing that keeps me up until the wee hours of the night. It's a scene that's layered with detail upon detail, clue upon clue, and it's virtually impossible to chronicle every last bit. So, rather than hash out every millisecond, I'm going to hit the high points and hope I don't miss anything major (in the event I do miss something, please post your observations in the comments area -- maybe together we can get all the little pieces sorted out).

So here goes ...

Locke and Eko climb down the dark hole. Their feet settle on a concrete floor and Eko sprays his flashlight beam around, revealing a Dharma logo and pipes and dank walls. Locke spots a power switch and stabs a button. Light floods throughout the structure, revealing a hallway that leads into a deeper room.

In this deeper room we see:

  • A wall with nine built-in television sets (is this a sports bar?). The TVs are old-school models with oval screens. All the sets are off except for one directly in the middle of the wall. Gray static runs across the screen of this one TV.

  • The room itself is octagonal with two oversized lounge chairs positioned in front of the TVs.

  • A white desk sits in front of one of the chairs. Brown nubs of an unidentified substance (heroin?) are scattered over the desk. A cigarette sits amidst the brown nubs and the desk is caked with dust.

  • Each of the lounge chairs has a metal extension arm protruding in front. The ends of the arms hold what appears to be a pane of glass. It looks like a magnifying device.
At this point, the room is relatively dark. The light source Locke triggered upon first descending into the hatch doesn't extend to this deeper room, so Locke and Eko cast their flashlights around the walls.

Locke sees switches next to each television set. He flips a switch and the accompanying TV set sparks to life. He flips another and the set turns on, static filling the screen. Another switch, more static. Switch, static. Switch, static. Switch, hatch ...

WHOA WHOA WHOA

Locke's eyes bulge as the picture grows strong on one particular TV set. The black and white picture settles and there, clear as day, is a hidden camera shot of the hatch. Not just a hatch. It's the hatch.

At first it appears to be a static image, but then JACK WALKS THROUGH THE FRAME. Locke is dumbfounded. He looks around and shoots his flashlight beam toward the ceiling. The light settles on a small camera wired near the wall.

Dharma is watching.

Locke's eyes dart around the room. He spots a switch on one of the lounge chairs and turns it. Fluorescent light fills the area, revealing a computer perched on a side table. It's the same type of computer Locke has been sitting in front of for weeks, methodically punching in numbers to reset a mysterious countdown clock.

Speaking of those numbers ...

The computer is on and the command line reads:

PRINT LOG? Y/N
Locke hits "Y." He pauses a moment over the execute button, then presses down.

A dot matrix printer whirs to life and begins to spew pages of data. Locke looks over a sheet of the results. Line after line shows a numerical stamp -- perhaps a date stamp? -- and the word "accepted." It looks like this:

41602108:05 accepted
Locke's brow furrows. The log file seems to correlate to the button pushing the castaways have been doing for the entire second season ...

On the other side of the room, Eko rifles through shelves containing blank notebooks. He flips through books, pausing to blow a pile of dust off the empty pages. Clearly, no one has touched these things for a very long time.

Locke spots a vertical plastic tube leading into the ceiling. It appears to be a pneumatic system like the ones used at bank drive-throughs. To test it, he takes out the makeshift map he scribbled weeks ago and inserts it into the tube. Upon shutting the tube door, the system activates and the sheet is sucked up toward an unknown destination.

At the same time, Eko peers back on a shelf and sees a black plastic videotape box. Oh no. Oh hellllll no.

Eko lifts the box and shows it to Locke.

Locke's eyes light up. Eko grins.

Eko turns the box and reveals the label: "Orientation."

More Dharma porn!

Before I get into the details of this new Orientation film, let's provide a little context. We first encountered an Orientation movie earlier this season in the aptly-titled episode "Orientation." The original video wasn't actually a video -- it was a reel of film that was played through a projector. The film was badly worn and poorly spliced, but it provided the first glimpse of the Dharma Initiative, Alvar Hanso, the DeGroots, Dr. Marvin Candle, and a slew of other key figures and clues.

Later, in the season two episode "What Kate Did," Eko produced a second copy of the Orientation movie that included in-tact sections of the film that were destroyed in the original Orientation flick. Locke edited the film clips together to reveal a key warning from Dr. Candle regarding usage of the hatch computer (in a nutshell: "Don't use it.")

With the context in place, let's move on ...

This latest Orientation film is distinct from the original movie right from the get-go. Most notably, the new Orientation film is on videotape.

Eko pops the tape into a top-loading VCR and he and Locke settle in for the show.

The new Orientation video reveals the following:

  • The title screen reads "Orientation - Station 5 - The Pearl." Funky Dharma music plays in the background ("dinka dinka chingaah chingaah" -- Dharma should sell ringtones).

  • Dr. Marvin Candle appears on-screen. He's standing in the observation room (it's the same room Locke and Eko are currently in). Since we last encountered Dr. C, he's updated his wardrobe, his haircut, and his name. He introduces himself as "Dr. Mark Wickmund."

  • Dr. Candle/Wickmund reveals that station 5 -- dubbed "The Pearl" -- is a "monitoring station" where participants in Dharma experiments can be "observed and recorded." Uh ... oh ...

    A shot of the DeGroots appears. The scientific duo are standing in front of a group of people doing jumping jacks. In a voiceover, Dr. Candle/Wickmund says: "As Karen DeGroot herself has written, 'Careful observation is the only key to true and complete awareness.'"

  • The Pearl station is staffed by two people working eight-hour shifts for three weeks at a time. During the three-week stay, each observer is asked to chronicle, in minute detail, the actions of Dharma experiment subjects. Subjects are to be observed via the TV sets in the Pearl lounge. Dr. Candle/Wickmund says: "Your duty is to observe team members in another station on the island. These team members are not aware that they are under surveillance, or that they are the subjects of an experiment."

  • Like the original Orientation film, this latest version has points that are worn out and garbled. Entire sentences are missing and the flow of the video is disrupted. In addition, the background changes a bit toward the end. For the majority of the tape, Dr. Candle/Wickmund is standing in front of the TV monitors in the Pearl lounge and the screens show the Dharma Pearl station logo. But toward the end, the top-left screen shows a person sitting in front of a computer. It looks like the hatch computer room.

  • And now for the big one: What's this experiment business all about? Dr. Candle/Wickmund addresses this question in classic Dharma fashion. "What is the nature of the experiment, you might ask?" Candle/Wickmund says. "What do these subjects believe they are accomplishing, as they struggle to fulfill their tasks? You, as the observer, don't need to know. All you need to know is the subjects believe their job is of the utmost importance." (Wisps of steam begin to float from Locke's ears ...)

  • Dr. Candle/Wickmund says the pneumatic tubes are to be used to send completed observation notebooks to the Dharma staff. "It will be transported directly to us," he says. (Does this mean that Dharma leaders are actually on the island?).

  • And finally, Dr. Candle/Wickmund concludes with an offhand remark: "At the end of your eight-hour shift, proceed to the Pala Ferry, which will take you back to the ... [film warps]." What's the Pala Ferry? Where is the Pala Ferry?

  • Two final things: In this latest film, Dr. Candle/Wickmund has two working arms. In the original film, Candle had a prosthetic arm. Also, the copyright date for the Pearl orientation video is 1980. This is the same copyright date as the first film.
As the movie concludes, Eko asks: "Would you like to watch that again?"

Locke swallows his anger. "No," he says. "No, I've seen enough."

With that, Locke and Eko prepare to head back to the beach camp. Locke is prepared to leave immediately, but Eko is lingering over the material in the Pearl lounge. He believes some of it could be important. Locke is astounded: how could Eko possibly see importance in a ridiculous lab experiment?

But Eko has a different perspective. He believes that pushing the button on the hatch computer is more important now than it was before. In Eko's mind, the revelation of experiments has nothing to do with current events. "The reason to do it is not because we are told to do so in a film," Eko says. "We do it because we believe we are meant to."

Locke's eyes bleed out of his head and flames blast from his nose. The hatch and the button are dead to him. "I was never meant to do ... ANYTHING!" Locke shouts. "Every single second of my pathetic little life is as useless as that button! It's nothing. It's meaningless. And who are you to tell me that it's not?"

CUE BACKSTORY SWOOSH!

I waited to include Eko's backstory elements because all the hatchy goodness just had to come first, but the late entry of the backstory part in no way reflects a lack of importance for these scenes. In a normal episode (i.e. one without a new hatch and/or a new Orientation film), this backstory would cause quite a stir.

In this episode's backstory segments we see/learn:

  • The backstory opens with Eko working in Australia as a priest and using the name Father Tunde. We learn early on that he's not an actual priest and, beyond that, he's working with a seedy underworld fella to procure a U.S. passport so he can move to Los Angeles. We don't learn how he came to be in Australia or why he's going to the U.S.

  • Eko's trip to the U.S. is put on hold when a woman comes to his church claiming she's witnessed a miracle. It turns out that the woman's daughter, Charlotte, drowned but then miraculously came back to life. Since the church can't let folks go around claiming miracles wily-nily, Eko is asked to investigate the claim.

  • Eko visits a coroner and learns that the girl actually regained consciousness during her autopsy. To illustrate, the coroner plays an audio tape from the procedure. It sounds like an audition for "The Grudge 3."

  • And here's the good part ... Eko travels to the girl's home to interview Charlotte and her father. Upon arriving, he's immediately confronted by the dad. The dad looks familiar; he's hard to place, but we've definitely seen him before.

    The dad is hopping mad about all this miracle business. He tells Eko that his daughter fell into a mountain stream and developed hypothermia, so it only appeared that she was dead. There's really no miracle. Moreover, his wife is spreading all this miracle hoo-ha to spite him.

    This piques Eko's curiosity, so he asks the man why his wife would go out of her way to concoct a religious miracle simply to spite him.

    "Because she knows I'm a fraud," the man says. "Because I make my living as a psychic."

    GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY! The dad is Claire's psychic!

    "You see, that's what I do," the psychic admits. "I gather intelligence on people, and I exploit it. Every day, I meet people looking for a miracle. Desperate to find one. But there are none to be had. Not in this world, anyway."

    Satisfied, Eko leaves.

    Sidenote: I'm not done with this psychic fella just yet. You see, the revelation that the psychic is a fraud has huge implications for Claire. Back in "Raised by Another," the psychic played an integral role in Claire's decision to give baby Aaron up for adoption (oddly, this decision came after the psychic reversed his stance; he originally warned Claire that she had to be the sole parent of this child). So what gives? Is the psychic a Miss Cleo knock-off or a legit reader? And what does this new information mean for Claire?

    Alas, the questions remain out of reach, so we'll continue with the Eko story for the time being.

  • In a final backstory segment, Eko is seen at the Sydney airport buying his ticket for Oceanic 815. He turns and is shocked to see Charlotte, the drowned/undrowned miracle girl. She has a message for him ... a message from Yemi.

    "Bring the axe," Charlotte says.

    Just kidding.

    What Charlotte really says is that she saw Yemi when she was flitting between life and death and Yemi asked Charlotte to tell Eko that even though he's a priest poseur, he's still a good man (I'm paraphrasing).

    Eko is livid. He has a pet peeve about strange girls sneaking around airports with messages from the afterworld, and on top of that, he's got a lot of guilt about this priest stuff and he doesn't appreciate a drowned/undrowned chica messing with his head before a transcontinental flight.

    Eko's anger attracts the attention of a fellow Oceanic passenger. Libby pokes her head in to make sure everything is all right. Eko says it is. Charlotte says it is. So Libby leaves and Charlotte closes with a final comment.

    "He has faith in you, one day you'll believe me," Charlotte says.

Charlotte, that day is today.

It turns out that Charlotte's message and Eko's recent visions of Yemi have instilled Eko with blind faith. This blind faith has now manifested itself in extreme devotion to the hatch and the button (remember, Yemi stressed the importance of that hatch).

As the scene shifts back to the Pearl lounge, Eko explains to Locke why he believes that the experiment revelations are meaningless. Eko recounts his brother's death and the flight of the Nigerian drug-running plane. He expresses amazement that his own plane crashed on the same island where his brother came to rest. Because of this -- and because of his fervent belief in his visions -- Eko is convinced that the hatch and the button are tests that need to be passed.

"if you will not continue to push the button," Eko says, "I will."

Point 2
Jack

Kate

Sawyer

Michael

Libby

Hurley

Whooooeee was that a long one.

Because I'm closing in on 100,000 words (thereby negating the use of the phrase "Key Points"), I'm going to zip through the secondary plot-line by touching on the important bits. If I miss anything vital, please correct my incompetence in the comments area.

Remember last week when Michael shot Ana and Libby and then shot himself in front of Henry? Yeah, well, that actually happened. It wasn't a dream or a weird flashback. It really happened.

And this week, the castaways find out about it.

The episode opens with Jack, Kate, Locke, and Sawyer stumbling upon Michael as he falls out of the hatch. Michael is bleeding from a gunshot wound. Jack's doctor instincts kick in and he runs to tend to the fallen murderer. Michael suddenly morphs into Robert DeNiro and delivers an Oscar-caliber performance, telling the assembled castaways that "some guy" shot him while he was sleeping and then ran away ...

Eko appears on the scene (see above) and he helps bring Michael back into the hatch. Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer and Eko walk in and see that the hatch has become a Tarantino movie: blood splattered everywhere, bodies stacked up, goo and gore galore.

Kate checks Ana and pronounces her dead. Thanks Kate. Big help.

Sawyer checks Libby, and just as he's about to pronounce her dead, she gurgles up a ball of phlegm and blood and shoots it into the air. So Libby isn't quite dead, but she will be soon. She's very ill).

Libby's non-dead state causes Michael's face to drop off his head and onto the floor. If Libby lives and if Libby talks, then Michael's ass is TOAST.

Fortunately for Michael, Libby is incapacitated. Jack and Kate move her onto the hatch bed (I really hope they change the sheets when Libby is done in there) and Libby lies on the bed like a lump for most of the episode while Michael shoots concerned/angry glances her way.

As the lumpiness and glances play out, Jack determines that Libby is a goner and it'd be nice to ease her into oblivion with high-powered drugs. Alas, the only high-powered drugs available are the bags of heroin stashed in the Virgin Mary statues. And it just so happens that the Virgin Mary statues are hidden with Sawyer's gun collection.

Jack seizes the opportunity to both tweak Sawyer and find the missing guns. He tells Sawyer that Libby needs the heroin and Sawyer -- who's still kind of freaked out that he knocked boots with Ana just a few hours ago and now she's dead -- is happy to grab the goods and bring them back. But Jack has another idea: he wants Kate to go with him.

Sawyer immediately sees that he's been played. If Sawyer says no, then Libby dies a painful death. If he says yes, he'll reveal the location of the guns and his power will essentially be lost.

Interestingly, Sawyer doesn't think twice. He tells Kate to come along and he leads her right to the stash ... in his tent. Kate is amazed. All this time the castaways thought Sawyer had stashed the guns in a deep, dark forest location, but it turns out they were buried in a box in his tent.

I'm sure the gun location will figure significantly in the impending Other battle, but for now the heroin is far more important. So Sawyer loads up and he and Kate prepare to head back to the hatch. As they leave, they run into Hurley.

Crap. Hurley.

Hurley innocently asks if Kate and Sawyer have seen Libby. It's a heartbreaking moment. Sawyer bows his head. Tears well in Kate's eyes. The camera pans back and we watch, from afar, as Kate breaks the news and Hurley's body slumps.

Hurley accompanies Kate and Sawyer back to the hatch. While there, Hurley tells Michael that he and Libby were supposed to go on their first date ... but then Hurley pauses. He looks at Michael and says, "I'm glad you're okay, man."

Michael should have spontaneously combusted. No mortal can withstand that kind of guilt.

In a final scene, Jack administers the heroin to Libby as Hurley watches. Jack steps back and Hurley sits by Libby's bed, talking to her. At first, he's a bit stilted (it's understandable; what could you possibly say?), but then Hurley loses it.

"I'm sorry I forgot the blankets," he says, tears forming in his eyes. "I'm sorry I forgot the blankets."

If you didn't get a little teary you need to check yourself.

Suddenly, Libby's eyes flutter and she gains consciousness. The heroin is rushing through her system, but she swallows and croaks a single word.

"... Michael! ..."

Jack and Hurley rush in and tell her that Michael is fine. THEY MISCONSTRUE HER DYING WORD!

Unable to unleash the truth, Libby's eyes bulge, her mouth opens wide and fear rips across her face. A final breath croaks from her lungs.

Libby dies a horrible death.

In the aftermath, Kate sits alone in the hatch kitchen and sobs uncontrollably. Sawyer comes in and embraces her. At the same time, Jack pauses in the hatch bathroom and reflects on the pure shittiness of what just transpired.

In the background, the hatch countdown alarm begins to sound.

And in the very last scene, Michael stands against the back armory wall. His arm is in a sling and he's looking down at Ana-Lucia's body (she's on the armory cot). The countdown alarm catches his attention and he looks up, his eyes set in a death glare.

The shot switches to the hatch computer. The alarm continues to blare. The computer cursor blinks. ... and then it ends.

Point 3
Island I'll close with a few odds and ends:
  • A second Hanso Foundation ad aired during the broadcast and while the ad was the same, the Web site listed on the closing screen was different: www.sublymonal.com.

  • Shameless Plug: If you're looking for more clues and hints from the Interactive Game, check out our Interactive Game page.

  • Poorly Formed Point No. 1 I think it's worth noting that just because the Pearl Orientation film supports the "one big experiment" theory, the facts behind that theory still begin and end with Dharma. Last time I checked, we have no reason to believe anything we've learned from Dharma. I'm not saying the "one big experiment" theory is wrong, but I don't think the Orientation films should be taken at face value.

  • Poorly Formed Point No. 2 Locke's reaction to the experiment revelation got me thinking about a possible Other scenario. What if the Others are a splinter group of former lab rats who uncovered Dharma's scheming and then revolted? It might explain the abandonment of the hatches (they ditched them after learning the truth). Up till now we've assumed that the Others are Dharma-approved, but what if they're not? What if there's another group -- a group the Dharma folks are scared of?

  • Poorly Formed Point No. 3 When Locke first encountered the Beechcraft crash site in "Deus Ex Machina" he experienced muscle failure in his legs, but this time he was able to tool around on his crutches and climb down the long Pearl hatch ladder. I have no idea what this means, but I figured I'd point it out.

    That's it for now. Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Three Minutes" -- Michael convinces a band of castaways to help him save Walt. Airs: Wednesday, May 17 s, 9 p.m., ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.


Excellent review as always.

The screen in "? / Pearl" still shows "Swan" hatch active.

Theory:
the button-pushing allows electricity to continue to feed the "active" area(s).

#1. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at May 11, 2006 12:06 PM

'Wonder Twins' and 'Heart of Darkness' in one sentence... congratulations, mac.

#2. Posted by: JT at May 11, 2006 12:09 PM

Theory 2:
The "aggresive" Others have access to a separate monitoring station that also monitor activities of the "? / Pearl" ... a control hub of sorts.

... thanks for the wonderful reviews.

#3. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at May 11, 2006 12:09 PM

Mac, great review, as always!

One theory that has not been posted (or at least, not since I’ve started to actively read your blog) is that maybe the Lost Island is a reality TV show. It might seem obvious, but when you think about it, maybe at the end of the show, all the people that died will show up alive, in front of the “survivors” (i.e. winners) of the show, and tell them that it was just a game! The food drops even correspond to those on reality TV shows!
Remember Running Man? Well, Lost is the same thing, except that people don’t really die. Or maybe they do, who can tell just yet?

#4. Posted by: Cesco at May 11, 2006 12:17 PM

Another fantastic episode, and great review again, thanks!

Chris
http://amateureconblog.blogspot.com/

#5. Posted by: Chris Meisenzahl at May 11, 2006 12:29 PM

A TV reality Series?

Anyone remember the Truman Show? It doesn't seem like it was that long ago.

#6. Posted by: Yes, Good! at May 11, 2006 12:30 PM

Awesome review as always, Mac! Just some stupid little things that bugged me last night: Did it surprise anyone that Locke went gingerly bounding off after the guy formerly known as Henry Gale with a BROKEN LEG? And when Locke kept yelling "Eko! Eko!" when Eko was climbing the cliff...it made me crazy. Like the climb wasn't treacherous enough without all that distraction! The Pearl lounge looked like an old Star Trek set with those swivel chairs! I don't know what the heck is going on...but I am SO HOOKED! I will be LOST without LOST all summer...

#7. Posted by: Tazbee at May 11, 2006 12:37 PM

Oh, and I guess scrambling DOWN that treacherous cliff was a piece if cake?! All it took was a commercial break to get down, I guess.

#8. Posted by: Tazbee at May 11, 2006 12:39 PM

Did you notice Lockes face though when he sent Echo up?

He had been saying earlier how boone was a sacrifice the Island demanded and he seemed to be all grinning like Echo needed to die too.

#9. Posted by: J at May 11, 2006 12:43 PM

can you believe chris got the boot on american idol last nig...sorry, wrong blog.

great recap as always mac. this show makes my brain hurt.

#10. Posted by: vladi at May 11, 2006 12:51 PM

I believe they said "back to the barracks" in the Orientation video when talking about where the Ferry would take them

#11. Posted by: JD at May 11, 2006 12:51 PM

Two theories:

Regarding Claire's not-so-psychic psychic, as I recall, as he was trying to get her to go to LA, he was mega scared. Like, the kind of scared you'd be if you'd been faking being a psychic for years and then all of a sudden had a for real phychic vision (ala Ota Mae in Ghost).

Regarding the mysterious changes to Candle/Wickmund in the two Orientation films, maybe they're two people. Twins. Like one of them is the "Bad Twin."

#12. Posted by: janezy at May 11, 2006 12:56 PM

The 2 handed presenter of the video orientation is the key in this episode.

We are told to think that the Swan hatch is just a psychological experiment. But between recording the two orientation films, he looses his hand. This means that the orientation for Swan may have happened after the "Incident" (mentioned in the Swan orientation), and the incident is what causes him to loose the hand. The button pushing may have been part of a psychological experiment at first, but when the "incident" happened, it stopped being that and became whatever it is today.

#13. Posted by: Adam at May 11, 2006 1:01 PM

Oh, and Libby isint dead!

Nope, not goona believe it. Not when in the same episode we have the dead girl comming back to life with messages from the after life. (and what messages will Libby come back with?)

#14. Posted by: Adam at May 11, 2006 1:03 PM

OR perhaps the one-handedness is just a ruse to make the button pushing seem that more important, because the "Incident" is so dangerous that Candle lost his arm.

#15. Posted by: JD at May 11, 2006 1:04 PM

One interesting thing I noticed:

When Libby goes looking for the blankets, it is daylight outside.

When the group finds Michael it is dark outside (I think) and it is definately dark out when Locke and Eko leave to find the ?

When Sawyer and Kate go for the heroin it is daylight again.

All of these things should have happened within max a couple of hours.

WTF?

#16. Posted by: Lordfoul at May 11, 2006 1:09 PM

After watching the orientation film, I can't believe Locke or Eko wouldn't want to explore what or who is at the other end of the pneumatic tube.

#17. Posted by: maxlife at May 11, 2006 1:10 PM

Thank you again, Mac! The scenes in the transition part of Ecko's dream may also be important. Someone else, fill in the ones I missed. There was a teddy bear, some trucks, a skull, and more I can't remember. They flashed on camera just before he saw his brother.

#18. Posted by: Kim at May 11, 2006 1:11 PM

The Characters on Lost are stuck between two realms...

Between the earth realm and the heavenly realm, there exists two hellish realms known as (1) the earthbound realm and (2) the void. Both of these realms can be considered hell because they are the two darker levels. The earthbound realm is a hellish dimension that overlaps the physical realm. It is a dimension where souls who are bound by some strong earthly fixation, may remain indefinitely until they are able to extract themselves from this fixation.

While in the earthbound realm, people go about their daily pursuit and completely unaware that they are being stalked by beings from the spirit world. Demons in all shapes and forms moving at will among the humans.

Hell is a state of mind. When we die, we are bound by what we think. (Angie Fenimore)

Hell is a psychological condition which represents the hellish inner thoughts and desires within some souls. In hell, souls become uninhibited and their hellish condition is fully manifested. . Each soul acts out their own anger and hatred by warring and tormenting others. (Emanuel Swedenborg)

The hell of hells is knowing you were our own devil. (Arthur Yensen)

It is your mind which creates hell. (Dr. Timothy Leary)

The way out of these hellish realms is to have a willingness to see the light and seek love for others and God. (Angie Fenimore)

From what may anyone be saved? Only from themselves! That is, their individual hell. They dig it with their own desires. (Edgar Cayce)

Each Character on Lost has his or her own personal Hell and they torment each other along with the demons. Their only salvation is to see their sins and own them, to make peace with one's self, then they will ascend to the heavenly realm. Demon's play a part in advancing you to your death.

Maybe Dharma found a way into this realm, but they have lost control or their subjects. A Matrix into another realm, if you will, and they cannot bring all of their subjects back.

or this is all just some really bad dream Hurley is having in the Mental Hospital.


#19. Posted by: ElvisZombie at May 11, 2006 1:30 PM

The reality theory was posed before somewhere, but I am really jumping on the bandwagon of the whole Dharma experiment going awry. The books had dust all over them!
Next week has a few of the Others involved, so I really think some questions will be answered then. I bet Michael had to free Henry or Walt would be killed. Think of it, nothing else would drive a character like him to kill and apologize first. When they see the Others next week it is possibly something that has been planned by Dharma, to pit the two groups against each other. One group says not to push the button or tries to convince them otherwise, and the other force manipulates them to do it.
I'm sure this theory would hold up like swiss cheese to you all! :)

#20. Posted by: Meg at May 11, 2006 1:32 PM

OMG Mac!

I have my little Thursday rituals...work my a** off all morning, then close my door at lunch, and settle in for The Blog Read (such a ritual, it now requires capitalization). I've now learned to not eat while reading this. You had me rolling (and choking!) with the "Thanks Kate" line, the visual of Michael spontaneously combusting from guilt overload and everything else in between. Thanks for doing what you do (so well).

But now, back to that Kate line...that annoyed me (not your writing it, but Kate speaking it). I was peeved with Jack last night...it's like he forgot how to be the kind of doctor he used to be. I think HE should be pronouncing the dead, and what? no chest pounding on Libby? Why was he so willing to just let her go with barely any attempt at his usual miracle working (i.e. Sarah, Boone and Charlie). No way. Libby can't be dead, yet. I'm with the prior poster...she's going to spring back next epi with news of what she learned in the "inbetween".

Was anyone else just dying for Locke to hit a rewind button when he saw the Swan hatch spycam video and learn that Michael was the real killer?!

Another random question...but is anyone else wondering what's happened to the supposed security system monster? If that theory lives up, then wouldn't Locke and Eko's entry into the Pearl hatch be a security-needin' kind of situation? I kinda miss the little dude.

#21. Posted by: SthrnMstKGirl at May 11, 2006 1:33 PM

Elvis Zombie, Oh my god, you quoted Emanuel Swedenborg. I never heard his name spoken before outside of Bryn Athyn!!

#22. Posted by: Meg at May 11, 2006 1:34 PM

Fyi, the sublymonal page, click fast on the tv screens. then click on the spinning circle, this takes you to a page that says sublymonal message unlocked. Watch the tv screen, and it shows a flash of 'Code:' then a few seconds later 'Heir Apparent'. Below is a hidden link under the 'sublymonal message unlocked' verbiage, that will take you to the Hanso Foundation website, and Alvar Hanso's bio.

Tried the Heir Apparent in the login, didn't work.

#23. Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2006 1:35 PM

and by the way, there are new directors listed.

#24. Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2006 1:37 PM

I can't help but think that is why the dream came at that point in time. They are supposed to find that video so they can hit rewind and see Michael!
Yes, it got on my nerves as well the yelling at Eko while he was trying to climb.
I am really bummed about not finding out Libby's story now. or maybe they'll work it in somewhere.

#25. Posted by: Meg at May 11, 2006 1:38 PM

Yes Meg and now you too can join the new world order by just taking a simple flight across the Pacific Ocean. Want to join our perfect society and get lost in paradise?

#26. Posted by: Elvis Zombie at May 11, 2006 1:39 PM

It seems to me that the psychic guy was responsible for getting Claire on flight 815 AND also for getting Eko aboard by insisting that it wasn't a miracle....is he working with Dharma? Or maybe Jack's Dad?

#27. Posted by: J-Rod at May 11, 2006 1:43 PM

Great review as ususal Mac.

- "Bring the axe," Charlotte says.
- GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY!

Loved those 2 lines. Entertaining to the core!

I finally realized what Yemi in the wheelchair said to Eko when he reached the top- he said 'Wake up John!' I think the site of the wheelchair and hearing his own name startled John/Eko into falling and then woke John up.

I agree- the daylight continuity seemed wrong, especially when Sawyer and Kate left the hatch to get the heroin. It was completely dark when they left, and fully light when they arrived on the beach. The hatch isn't that far away.

I'm disappointed that the Libster croaked before she could effectively reveal Michael was the shooter. Seemed like the only reason she didn't die right away was to get in the Hurley scene with her. I think at some point someone will review the videotape of the shooting from the new '?' hatch and will see that Michael did it. The orientation video made it clear that the observers in the hatches are being recorded.

I hope they don't irritate us again by having Eko and Locke NOT tell anyone else about this new hatch for a while.

So Eko really was a fake priest. He seemed interested in that 'job' in LA the thug was offering him, so I don't think he planned on doing the priesthood forever. Doesn't seem to fit with how faithfull/religious he is on the island. Oh, and if he's really not a real priest, then is Aaron really not really baptized?

I agree with a previous poster that though Claire's psychic admitted to being a fraud in this episode, he had a REAL psychic vision with Claire. And that's why he was so obsessed with convincing her to raise the child herself- because what he saw freaked him out because it was probably his first real psychic experience. And that's why when he couldn't convince her to raise her baby, he sent her on a plane he knew was due to crash. (He must've had a 2nd real vision about that...) He saw some real danger if Claire didn't raise the kid, so saw sending her on a plane that was doomed as 'get rid of the problem' solution. I believe he had no idea she and the baby would survive.

#28. Posted by: JoePike at May 11, 2006 1:43 PM

and the word OBEY seems to be prevalent.

#29. Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2006 1:43 PM

Great review! Very comprehensive. I really appreciate your work. A couple of comments:


1. It sounded to me like Wickmund said the ferry "will take you back to the village." A ferry is a pretty short-range craft. So, does that mean there's a village somewhere on the island, or another island nearby, or even a mainland??? Where is this island, and how big is it? How could such a big island be unnoticed by civilization?


2. The term "Pan" refers to a side-to-side camera movement, so you can "pan left" or "pan right" but you can't really "pan back." I think what you meant was "zoom out."

#30. Posted by: LukeCordoba at May 11, 2006 1:45 PM

Loudfoul, I completely agree about the night vs. day thing. It drove me nuts watching that last night.

But, it was a great episode. It is going to suck when it ends in a few weeks and we have to wait an entire summer for more answers.

#31. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 11, 2006 1:47 PM

Ok, LOVED the episode, but have a few things to note too.....I agree with SthrnMstKGirl about John using the Pearl to see that Michael indeed is the one that killed Ana and Libby. Also, because I want to see what went on between Michael and Henry after the new "incident".

Also, Eko taking the printed out logs, I am thinking that he will read them and find out that Michael was conversing with Walt (or someone pretending to be Walt) right before he went all vigilante. But, will he find out before they all believe Michael and go huntin'?

WHAT IS UP WITH JACK? AND WHY IS EVERYONE STILL LISTENING TO HIM?
I think as of late that his has turned into more of an egomaniacal despot on this little island. I am really hoping that Kate will refuse to tell him where the guns are -- oh yeah, and that she will remember about the COSTUMES she saw in the medical hatch. I really used to like Jack, but now, not so much.

You know a show is fabulous when you spend the entire commericals saying "I HATE this show.....I LOVE this show....AAAIIIIIEEEE."

Hey Mac, think the Wonder Twins will "deactivate" the Pearl station?

#32. Posted by: Chimowicz at May 11, 2006 1:49 PM

My 2 cents...very short version..

I love the program and storyline. Love your style of writing.

I think all the people died in the plane crash. Their time on the island is a purgatory of sorts. They are "lost" until they except their fate, their lives (that were) and come to peace so they can go forward.

Play with that for awhile. Like to hear other comments and/or your observations.
Diane

#33. Posted by: diane wood at May 11, 2006 1:54 PM

"The Characters on Lost are stuck between two realms..." said ElvisZombie.

Great post and theories. But it fits too much in the category of Purgatorialness, and the producers have made it clear that the Lostaways aren't dead (unless they died after the crash) and aren't in any Purgatory or Hell like setting.

#34. Posted by: JoePike at May 11, 2006 1:55 PM

Diane, that "purgatory" theory is widely circulated, but I believe was shot down by the creators in USA Today yesterday. It would be very disappointing if that were the truth

#35. Posted by: JD at May 11, 2006 1:55 PM

I think the losties need to have a grown up, jungle version of show and tell field trip to get each other up to speed.

1. Claire and Kate can show everyone the medical hatch and (pa-lease already, come on!) tell everyone that the Others are posers!

2. John/Eko can show everyone the newly discovered Pearl Hatch, and rewind the friggin tape.

3. Sawyer can show everyone his hickeys from AL.

4. If they get hungry on the trip, and they've taken Hurley, he can show them his food stash! Anyone think he's going to go on a bender now that he's lost Libby?!

#36. Posted by: SthrnMstKGirl at May 11, 2006 1:58 PM

Want to want out where those tubes go? Send a "special delivery" of dynamite from the ship.

#37. Posted by: Hunter at May 11, 2006 2:02 PM

I have a thought about the psychic that told Claire to give up the baby/not give up the baby. The main point he made in his talk with Eko was that he was a fraud. He searched for information on people and used it to "lie" to them in his "readings." If he originally told her that she had to be the "sole parent" of the child, then changed his mind and told her to give him up for adoption, that means that he somehow found out that her plane would crash and the baby would be better off with a family that was not flying on Oceanic 815. But, how did he know the plane was going to crash if he is a fake psychic? What links does he have to Dharma? This is getting interested. Great review Mac!.

#38. Posted by: Jim at May 11, 2006 2:13 PM

They may not be dead, but they could be in hell.

Tapping into ones subconscious, and your own personal hell - your mind. That is what Dharma has unleashed. There is an earthbound realm that exists when you dream, now combine your dream world with others and you have total hell. Now just imagine if someone could control bits and pieces of that world through a conscious participator linked into your dreams or they could send various images or memories from your life while you lay in this vegetative state. Your not dead, but you are in hell.

#39. Posted by: elvis Zombie at May 11, 2006 2:16 PM

I agree that the timing seemed a bit off on this episode. Why would Hurly wait a full day before going around looking for Libby? And wouldn't he know she went to the hatch for blankets?

#40. Posted by: Jim at May 11, 2006 2:21 PM

I don't think that they cameras watching the Swan were recording anything, so I don't think they will be able to "rewind" anything.
They only "recording" mentioned in the Orientation video is when the Dr. was saying they needed to record everything they saw in the notebooks.


Ok, here's my 2 cents:
The Swan Experiment was started first.
That way the people were in there doing their thing before the Pearl was started.
Dr. Wickmund looks young in this video.

Then somewhere along the lines there was an "incident" and the Swan expirement gained more importance, and The Button was implemented, and a new Orientation film was made.
Dr.Candle looks older in this video. Not sure why he would have changed his name.

Go back and watch the Swan Orientation, and I think that supports the theory that the Button came along after the Incident. He says the Swan was an experiment at first, but shortly after the experiments began there was an Incident, and since then the Button protocol has been followed.

One more thing I want to throw out that everyone can tear up:
Maybe this whole island is only supporting the Swan/Electromagnate experiments, and that all these hatches are support hatches for that one.
Maybe there are other Islands for the other experiments.
But maybe I am just not thinking right.

#41. Posted by: Zeppo at May 11, 2006 2:23 PM

JoePike--you don't need to be a priest to perform a baptism and have it be legal (at least in Catholicism)

#42. Posted by: drsteggy at May 11, 2006 2:24 PM

Did anyone notice all the quick flash images in Echo's dream (between the beach scene and when Echo found his borther in the hatch). We played the scense on Slow motion on the DVR and counted almost 20 quick flash scense of Echo's life. (I'll try to have the list of the scenes up later tonight).

I wonder what the meaning behind them were?

Peace

#43. Posted by: Kalico at May 11, 2006 2:25 PM

A few comments:
I don't think that the Pearl station is videotaping anyone. I think it's just real-time observation. There were no stacks of videotapes to suggest that things in the past were preserved on tape. And the notebooks were for recording all the activity. I don't think that we will be able to see video of Michael shooting anyone. But the idea did occur to me as soon as they saw Jack on the video monitor.
Also, it seemed strange that there was a video camera IN PLAIN SIGHT in the Pearl hatch. If the people doing the monitoring could see it plain as day, then wouldn't they think, "Oh, we're being watched, too."? Why leave a camera out in the open like that? That seemed very out of place.

Poor Desmond, living all that time in the hatch, and no one is even watching him! (it seems the Pearl hasn't been used in a LONG time. And Desmond was down there for years.)

JoePike wrote:
So Eko really was a fake priest. He seemed interested in that 'job' in LA the thug was offering him, so I don't think he planned on doing the priesthood forever. Doesn't seem to fit with how faithfull/religious he is on the island.

My answer: He probably wasn't planning to be a priest forever, and was a fake to begin with, but then he got the message from Yemi through Charlotte. That probably pushed him more into being a believer. And he became even more faithful/religious on the island because he found Yemi's body. He thinks his faith is being confirmed by the island. That's why he's building a church. He's more of a believer than ever because of everything he's learned since crashing on the island.

Just my 2 cents.

Oh, and I was really bugged by John yelling, "Be careful!" to Eko. Thanks, John, that's a big help. I did feel bad for John, though, once he found out he was pushing a meaningless button. He was crushed, and Terry O'Quinn deserves an Emmy. He rocks!

One last note, when are they going to question the forensics on the murder scene? How could Ana have been shot sitting on the couch? If Henry had escaped, wouldn't she have jumped up, fought with him, moved in some way? No way she would just sit there and get shot in the stomach. I think this is one of the ways they'll see through Michael's lies. In the preview for next week, Sayid brings it up, and Jack says, "Why would he lie to us?" Sayid will be all over Michael's story like white on rice.

#44. Posted by: Amanda at May 11, 2006 2:26 PM

oh, and the number of clicks on the screens at sublymonal.com correspond to the numbers...4, 8, 15 etc...

#45. Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2006 2:27 PM

Great review as always Mac! Thanks!

The whole ferry reference ... could the Others be using that ferry?? Weren't they on one when they snatched Walt off the raft??

#46. Posted by: LostFan at May 11, 2006 2:31 PM

not really about this episode but just thought i'd mention it...i saw mission:impossible 3 this weekend, which was directed by jj abrams, and in it there is a scene where a character dies and is recusitated (after unsuccesful CPR) by another character punching his chest and screaming his name. given the number of times this has happened on lost, it looks like its beginning to become an abrams trademark...

#47. Posted by: kyle at May 11, 2006 2:32 PM

not really about this episode but just thought i'd mention it...i saw mission:impossible 3 this weekend, which was directed by jj abrams, and in it there is a scene where a character dies and is recusitated (after unsuccesful CPR) by another character punching his chest and screaming his name. given the number of times this has happened on lost, it looks like its beginning to become an abrams trademark...

#48. Posted by: kyle at May 11, 2006 2:32 PM

I just can not buy Sawyers behavior in this episode. There is NO WAY he would take Kate to the gun stash just because Jack said so, especially after the book burning gun in the face BS last week. He would turn it around and say "Jack, Heroine is yours as long as you let me go alone" "The choice of letting Libby die in pain depends on how petty YOU want to be". Actually he probably would have killed Jack by now for pointing the gun at him and barking orders instead of asking nicely, but hopefully that will come soon. It won't be long before Jack's pig headed I'm in charge stupidity has killed more people then he has saved.

#49. Posted by: Killjackoff at May 11, 2006 2:37 PM

Did anyone notice in the airport, the desk counter woman told Eko, "Flight 815, from Gate 23"

More numbers stuff!

#50. Posted by: blarry at May 11, 2006 2:37 PM

Did anyone see in next week's previews the guy giving Michael the injection of some sort? He looked a LOT like the guy from the gulf war who taught Sayid how to torture people.

Also, I'm starting to think that the others are part of a current, on-going experiment. Perhaps they think their job is to kidnap people who meet certain criteria (among other things) and are made to believe their job is of "utmost importance."

Those numbers in the prinout sheet: could they be from another hatch with a similar function?

#51. Posted by: Trinity at May 11, 2006 2:41 PM

Has anyone visited this website? It is full of clues about the Hanso Foundation: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

#52. Posted by: Lisa at May 11, 2006 2:46 PM

When they go thru the data Eco brought back Locke will know if HG ever pushed the button during lock down

#53. Posted by: wilcoy at May 11, 2006 2:49 PM

Ah, I've overstayed my lunch to read and write this, but here it goes:

1) The Psychic - loved it. I'm wondering if his first vision was legitimate (hence, his shock, since he's normally a fraud), then he was convinced or coerced to tell her to take the flight (under any number of ruses) by an agent of Dharma/Hanso.

2) Mac's 2nd disjoint point, about the Others not being directly connected to Hanso... It's an interesting one to consider, that the inmates are running the asylum - something happened, the subjects revolted, and are now in control of their own island paradise/strong hold... perhaps taking advantage of available Hanso medical/genetic tech to make themselves stronger, etc. Meanwhile, Hanso tries to wipe out the Others, by sending biological weapons (if there really is a 'pathogen'), even using their electromag research to crash a plane of specially "selected" individuals onto the Other's island, hopefully resulting in a conflict that takes care of the "Other" problem for Hanso.

It seems like so many of the passengers have association with hospitals / health care / mental health / long term illness... and Hanso appears to be involved in a ton of medical / research / mental health initiatives world wide, that it could use that information to put an "army" of people on a plane...

3) I'm hoping there's another monitoring station and somehow it's used to out Michael's crime. I'm thinking the logs will reveal his communications. I was watching the last minutes urging Libby, "Come on! Say it!" and the second she says Michael, Jack jumps in "He's fine..." talking right over her dying words. LET YOUR PATIENT TALK, JACK!!! Argh...

I'm hoping they start using their noggins and think, why would HG manage to shoot two people quite expertly and then manage to shoot a SLEEPING Michael in a particularly non-life-threatening way? If Michael were sleeping in the hatch and Libby is shot where she was shot, why on earth would her last words be Michael? Maybe Alex will send them a videotape of Michael shooting everybody...

4) The pneumatic tube system works. Considering the fact that everything was so dusty, it seemed odd that it worked. The knob on the chair to control the lights also looked like an old oven knob (labeled "Warm" then some numbers, I think)... Anybody else think that Locke's putting his map into the tube system is going to come back to haunt him/the Losties? No doubt now, the Others or someone will know that Locke has seen a map of the hatches.

6) Maybe the Boat the Others used to take out the raft was the "Ferry"? I thought the Dr. said something about a tram or transport. That'd be the thing to look for...

Good times...
BH

#54. Posted by: biohazard76 at May 11, 2006 2:52 PM

Wilcoy,
Why do we care if HG pushed the button? I think we can assume now that there is no point to the button. Doesn't matter if he pushed it or not. Plus, I think that is the least of their worries right now.

#55. Posted by: Amanda at May 11, 2006 2:52 PM

Awesome review Mac. I love the thought of Eko 'scampering' anywhere!

I agree with Poorly Formed Point #2. I really think the inmates have taken over the assylum, as it were.

#56. Posted by: JOSS at May 11, 2006 2:53 PM

never assume anything

#57. Posted by: wilcoy at May 11, 2006 2:57 PM

I thought the metal arm on the 2 swiveling lounge chairs reminded me of Dr. Claw from "Inspector Gadget"

#58. Posted by: Trinity at May 11, 2006 2:58 PM

Thanks again for your reviews, Mac...I think you are the most popular guy on the Web for Lost fans.

A couple of points...
1. I don't think it was a coincidence that the drug-running Beechcraft crashed on that spot. Mac, you said yourself that the question mark could be a signal to planes. That, along with the suspicious stuff in the hatch that looks like heroin, leads me to believe that Eko's drug dealing friends were somehow connected to Dharma and were actually HEADED to the island and the Pearl hatch, but crashed. Now, why would Dharma people need heroin for their experiments??

2. I don't know why Sawyer was worried about taking Kate to the gun stash...after all, all he has to do is re-hide the guns somewhere else. Simple solution.

#59. Posted by: Christina at May 11, 2006 2:59 PM

code: Heir Apparent

#60. Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2006 3:00 PM

Great review Mac, I think Jack is onto Michael and is about to turn Sayed loose on his ass.

I like the idea of sending dynamite up the tube. anything to speed up answering some of these questions.

I really hope those who say Libby isn't dead are correct, I think she is, but I also never thought Michael would join the others I hate his charachter now, I don't care what happens to him or his gurgling wierd wet kid.

#61. Posted by: D lostinboston at May 11, 2006 3:01 PM

Did anyone watch Regis and Kelly when Ana- Lucia was on?? They showed a clip that didn't air that was of Hurly and Libby on the beach. They were talking and Libby said she will be right back. That is when she went into the hatch.

#62. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 11, 2006 3:02 PM

Another point:
I wonder what the readout sheet that records the button-pushing will say at the 2 points where the button wasn't pushed?

#63. Posted by: Christina at May 11, 2006 3:05 PM

Someone said that this could all be a reality TV show and the characters who have died aren't really dead. This couldn't be the case for 2 reasons:
1) They have been checked that they are infact dead. If someone can live through being in a body bag and buried in the ground, then they are fricking God!
2) This would be a crap ending. If this was the case then they should have Ashton Kutcher come round on a helicopter saying 'you've all been punk'd!!'

Also, if Kate just opens her mouth and tells them about the hatch she found with Claire and the fake costumes, then they will know that Michael's story will be false because he said that the Others were wearing the fake clothes when he saw them, and this was without knowing that Kate knew the truth!

This whole 'characters keeping EVERYTHING to themselves just to make a decent episode and then discard the story that was made just to make it exciting', is getting very boring now and is one of the down sides of LOST. If this was season 1 then we would have found out a lot more by now, which kind of makes you wonder if the writers have run out of material and haven't got a clue how they are going to wrap this all up!

#64. Posted by: Vicki105 at May 11, 2006 3:09 PM

Michaels cold blooded actions will be recorded in the new hatch. Wheres Henry?

#65. Posted by: Kevin at May 11, 2006 3:14 PM

I thought of something else:
Why would everyone just let Eko and Locke go after Henry Gale alone, without any guns yet? Or did Sawyer come back with guns? I would think they would send more people than just two..

#66. Posted by: Christina at May 11, 2006 3:18 PM

Crazy Idea: What if the former inhabitants of the Swann hatch pieced together the map of the island through the years and drew it on the blast doors in black light ink/paint because they knew they were being watched. They could have been planning on revolting for a while. the purpose of the black lights coming on when the food is being dropped is so the people in the Pearl hatch can still observe what is going on inside the Swann, right? Also, because the T.V.'s are black and white in the Pearl, they wouldn't be able to see what the inhabitants of the Swann were drawing. Wasn't there other artwork on the walls inside the Swann when it was first open at the beginning of this season? Plus, that camera only had a limited view of the Swann. Maybe the other screens used to be other working cameras inside the Swann and not of any other hatches.

Any thoughts???

#67. Posted by: mcarbone241 at May 11, 2006 3:21 PM

Anagram for Heir Apparent = 'A Hint Prepare'.

#68. Posted by: Mike at May 11, 2006 3:29 PM

I remember reading somewhere that black vs. white is a very prevalent theme on the show (examples: the dharma logo, the backgammon game, Claire's dream with Locke having one black eye and one white eye, etc., etc.) Well, the 2 hatches we know the names of so far, Swan and Pearl, are both white things. Are the other hatches named for other white (or black) objects? Maybe the ones named for white things are "good" hatches, and the black ones are "bad."

#69. Posted by: Trinity at May 11, 2006 3:34 PM

Okay, what bothered me most about this episode was John - it boils down to this:

1) John interpreted his dreams and 'compulsion' to press the button as a calling. It appearaed that the island and the experiment were one and the same.
2) John clearly understands the healing properties of the island, as does Rose. He also understands that this may be what gicves his purpose. This truth has not changed for JOhn - his leg continues to heal rapidly.
3) Now John finds out that the button is a fraud, or may very well be a fraud.

Now, take a couple other points:
1) There is a naturist "Others" group and what may be a techno "Others" group (the boat-folk). They are at odds - I can't remember when, who, or where this was revealed.
2) The island was at one time sans-experiment. It must have had its healing properties, even without the technology that Hanso brought there.

To get to my point:
My newest theory is that the island and its group of Others is at odds with the techno-Others and Hanso. The island could even have rejected the experiment at one time, cauising the incident. Overall, what this means for Locke is that his frustration at loss of purpose may be resolved after all. The island has its purpose, and the hatch(es) has/have another purpose.

#70. Posted by: Dan VP at May 11, 2006 3:41 PM

on thehansofoundation.org site, if you go to Thomas Mittelwork's bio there's a little text box in his bio...that's where you type in 'Heir Apparent.' And you'll get some clues about Mittelwork's background or conflicting issues.

Also, on the newsletter part of the site, the password I believe is "breaking strain"...forgot to write it down, and it logs me in automatically now...and I don't think it's an actual newsletter, but you get a message.

#71. Posted by: Tron at May 11, 2006 3:49 PM

You know what is so funny? Go back and read the posts that come fast and furious right after a new episode airs, full of speculation about what will happen, yada yada yada...

It's hilarious how off base most of the speculation is. It cracks me up to see all the past comments in light of how much we now know.

Still, it's fun to speculate...

Oh, and didn't Michael look like pure evil at the end of last night's show? Sent shivers down my spine...

#72. Posted by: Amanda at May 11, 2006 3:49 PM

Anyone think that dr. marvin CANDLE and dr. mark WICKmund were clues? whats with the candle symbolism? anyone have any ideas b/c, as usual w/ LOST, i'm clueless

#73. Posted by: matt at May 11, 2006 4:01 PM

Anyone notice Wickman/Candle use the phrase "struggle with their assignment" (or some such thing) on the video in reference to the hatch experiments? Why 'struggle', doesn't seem to be too hard to push a lousy couple of buttons. Any thoughts?

#74. Posted by: JOSS at May 11, 2006 4:05 PM

At the sublymonol web site, the TVs on the first screen each have to be clicked a different number of times. The first one has to be clicked 4 times, the second one 8, then 15....I am sure you get the picture. So it is more than just clicking quickly, it is clicking the right "number" of times.

#75. Posted by: sharkkiller69 at May 11, 2006 4:05 PM

I think we're looking at this Dr. Candle arm thing all wrong........

Knowing how medically related everything with Dharma and the island seems to be....I think it's safer to assume that he had a prosthetic arm in the first film b/c it was MADE first but he was somehow healed or surgically repaired for the second film(pearl). I mean it makes sense logically to have the 'swan' people in place first before you assign someone at the pearl to watch them.

#76. Posted by: J-Rod at May 11, 2006 4:06 PM

Obscure cross-reference: Jin told Bernard that there were no pearls on the island (bernard was searching for oysters). It looks like there is a Pearl on the island!

#77. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 11, 2006 4:07 PM

I agree PiecesofArtz....and one of the stations is called the 'staff' and we know Eko has one helluva staff. One of the stations is called the arrow....and it's an arrow that brought HG to the losties. LOTS of symbolism.

#78. Posted by: J-Rod at May 11, 2006 4:11 PM

Any thoughts on who will discover/question that fauxHenry "got out" of the locked room?

Even if AL had opened the door (again) she certainly wouldn't have casually rest on the couch (undefended from any possible attack) ... and they all new it.

Besides, it would be obvious that michael and libby wouldn't have known the comination.

#79. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at May 11, 2006 4:18 PM

matt, interesting point about candle and wick, considering that there is a hatch/station labeled "The Flame" on the blastdoor map.

J-Rod, typically in most experiments you'd want to have your observers/observation system in place before you started the experiment.

I like mac's point about Dharma tho - nothing is ever what it seems. The camera in the Pearl tells us, someone is watching the watchers...

BH

#80. Posted by: biohazard at May 11, 2006 4:26 PM

I agree with BioHazard - Locke putting the map in the tube is definitely going to come into play later on. Since the Pearl Hatch has obviously been deserted for awhile, whoever was/is on the other side of the tube will notice when something comes through after such a long time.

#81. Posted by: Summer at May 11, 2006 4:38 PM

A Few Notes

1) Judging from the previews for next weeks episode I think we'll learn what happened to Michael while he got captured by the Others through backstory segments while he tries to convince the castaways to go after the them.

2) Locke will learn whether or not Henry Gale really pushed the button while he was trapped beneath the door

3) Whoever monitors the air pipes now nows that "The Pearl" has been discovered due to lock sending up his map

#82. Posted by: Babaganoush at May 11, 2006 4:42 PM

I believe Locke's map went to another empty station, the losties have yet to discover one that seems to have been used in quite some time. When they find the end of the tube there will tons of old dusty notebooks just lying there, never being read.

#83. Posted by: Jack at May 11, 2006 4:48 PM

Everything has been abandoned. Who's to say there is someone watching the watchers ? I think the whole Dharma experiment has been scrapped and some did not realize it. Somethings gotta give...

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#84. Posted by: thinng at May 11, 2006 5:03 PM

I defintaly think that Eko's dream related to them finding out what really happen to AL and Libby. I mean. They said that it was all recorded...

#85. Posted by: 4815162342 at May 11, 2006 5:08 PM

Ok, i didnt really understand the instructions on the video, which looked a little too big to be a normal VHS tape, kinda looked like a bigger tape, the kind that Ron Burgundy plays in that movie. anywho..did i not hear correctly, or did the candle/wick dude say that after your 8 hour shift, you go down to the ferry and leave the island? no replacements? like at the swan? whats the use of only watching them for 8 hrs at a time when theres 16 more hours of fun watching available.
----a previous poster said that what we see in the preview of next week about michael is a fade to a backstory, and i totally agree! you know damn well that the others were not gonna be a stalked by michael unseen. they probably caught his ass the 1st night he was in the jungle in a trap of some sort and they took him back to their camp. they inject him with some drugs and tell him that if he doesnt do what they say, they'll kill walt. thats when he says, "i dont think he's even alive" and the black girl tells him,"he's just outside" i have a feeling that these people that captured michael are a group of others but not the people that are really in charge. theres definitely another group on the island thats calling all the shots and manipulating all parties involved. pitting one group against another with mind games and various people getting knocked off. I think ethan, goodwin and faux henry gale are all parts of these other groups but not neccessarily part of the SAME group. Is it possible that these 2 different"other" groups are having a huge war between one another and they're taking people from flight 815 to be on their sides? it would explain all the disappearances of the taillies those 1st couple of nights. 1st one group comes along and takes a couple, then the next night, they come back, but this group isnt as suave so they make a whole bunch of noise and wake people up in the process and AL kills one of them and then 2 of em get whacked by Eko. Theres definitely something big coming and i cant freakin wait!!! GOOD JOB MAC!!

#86. Posted by: marls at May 11, 2006 5:16 PM

I thought it was 3 week rotation with 8 hr shifts during the rotation.

#87. Posted by: maxlife at May 11, 2006 5:20 PM

Jack,
LOVE that idea that the notebooks go nowhere and never get read! That would make a really creepy visual. Very "Twilight Zone."

And to Marls, I think the Pearl hatch would have people working in 8-hour shifts, so that when one shift is over, another team arrives to do the observations. 3 shifts in a day. Not just one team working for 8 hours and then going home.

And I definitely felt like the Pearl hatch is just another part of the experiment and that they, too, were being watched. I think that's why they showed that video camera about John and Eko's heads when they were surveying the room.

I'm so curious what was on that table, looked like white powder or something? Did anyone get a good look?

One question just occurred to me. If the Question Mark in the dirt is supposed to be a signal to planes, where is the landing strip? Or is it just a drop site? I haven't seen anywhere that a plane could actually land, and the area where the question mark was would be too small for a landing site. Any pilots out there want to tackle this one?

#88. Posted by: Amanda at May 11, 2006 5:28 PM

Why do people keep saying that Kate did not tell anyone about the medical hatch or the costumes she found? She did tell Jack. It was about 2 episodes back. She told him that since he decided to bring her back into the "click" she would tell him what she found.

#89. Posted by: Marie at May 11, 2006 5:46 PM

In the preview, it appears the conversation Michael has with the black lady regarding Walt takes place in present day and not a flashback. He has the same wound on his head he has had since returning to camp. That being said, the rest of what the preview shows with him does appear to be a flashback

#90. Posted by: Ignatius at May 11, 2006 5:46 PM

I believe the ferry was the Apollo Ferry, not the Pala Ferry, but I'm not a native speaker so I might be mistaken. It'd fit with the candy bars and the mythological theme, however. Great review as always.

#91. Posted by: Antti at May 11, 2006 5:46 PM

could it be that the dharma people have no idea that things have gone bad on the island? thats why they're still dropping supplies onto the island? how is that possible? they have to know that no one is manning the "observation" hatch(the pearl) anymore and my guess is that its been about 16 years since someone has actually manned the pearl. (since the french chick has been there) ----didyou see in the preview of next week where everyone is looking in amazement at something....is it me? or does it look like everyones on the beach since they're kind of on a slant, and the trees are behind them, which means they're looking out into the ocean blue.......could it be? do they see a ship?!?!? or better yet, a submarine pops out of the water! oh man, i'm salivating here

#92. Posted by: marls at May 11, 2006 5:47 PM

And why haven't the Others tried to come after Claire and the baby in such a long time?

#93. Posted by: Amanda at May 11, 2006 5:48 PM

amanda, i have a feeling they're done with claire and aaron, they pricked and prodded her with enuf needles while they had her so i'm sure whatever they wanted to do to her and the baby was already done. i wonder if french chick's daughter, if indeed that was her, got in trouble for helping claire escape?

#94. Posted by: marls at May 11, 2006 5:52 PM

Re: the pneumatic tubes... Unless there's an unlimited number of tube "jars" in which to put the notebooks, someone or something will have to be on the other end to shoot the jar back so it can be refilled. So the interesting thing will be to see if the tube jar does, in fact, return to the Pearl hatch.

#95. Posted by: JR at May 11, 2006 5:54 PM

JR,

during one of the scenes in the "Pearl" the camera shot pans across a table where Locke is standing nearby.
there are rows of empty tubes sitting on the table.

#96. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at May 11, 2006 5:59 PM

JR,
Pneumatic tubes only work in one direction, as far as I know. So there'd have to be another 'return' tube. I'm surprised that Locke and Eko could so comfortably sit under a camera and not inspect it to see if it was still working, and if they were being watched.


#97. Posted by: Joss at May 11, 2006 6:05 PM

Joss, the pneumatic tube at my drive thru bank works 2 ways, but i doubt the people in the hatch would need more than were already on that back table, it looked like those composition books were pretty thick. writing even on just the fronts of each page, it would be weeks before you could fill up a whole book and send it away.

#98. Posted by: marls at May 11, 2006 6:12 PM

They were all on the beach looking at something, and it seemed to me that there was an odd golden glow either reflecting on them or appearing around them - similar to the glow from the religious dreams about Claire & Aaron that Charlie had...

Incidentally, has anyone with Tivo gone through all the images in Eko's dream / flashback? There were a bunch of images...

Some of the hatch stations may have been abandoned, but the Pearl is obviously an observation point - not a control point. The "control room" is at the other end of the pneumatic tube. The inhabitants of the Pearl weren't told the *Why* of the experiment, just their duties. No doubt they were part of the experiment as well.

The content of all those old notebooks would be an interesting read, for sure.

#99. Posted by: Biohazard at May 11, 2006 6:13 PM

Regarding the shot in the previews where everyone is looking in amazement, maybe they saw Walt, who has grown a foot or so "in reality" since we saw him.

#100. Posted by: The Duf at May 11, 2006 6:14 PM

does anyone want to take a stab at y eko's brother was in the wheelchair in locks dream?

#101. Posted by: 4815162342 at May 11, 2006 6:15 PM

So great episode and great recap! This is my first time posting, but I’ve been following for a while.

First thing is that I hope the losties couldn’t see the in-your-face evidence against Michael because of the shock, because it would be so unrealistic for them not to figure it out.

I think that Jack is one of the best characters in the whole show (along with Eko and Sayid), one of the few that is putting his skills to use helping other people and not his own agenda. I am starting to get frustrated with some of the other characters decisions that just don’t seem to make sense:

Locke acting all shady and not sharing information that they could all be working on to figure out what is going on. This is the second time his cover-up has led to someone’s death.
Kate is so whiny and needy, she wants to do everything all the “big kids” do and she just ends up getting in the way.
Sawyer being the a$$hole he is for no reason (not so much in this episode, but overall) I’m glad Jack finally made a power play to find the guns. I mean, their on an island being picked off by the “others” and he’s hiding the guns under his bed.

I love this show, but the fact they don’t communicate and explore the island kills me. I’ve been thinking the experiment thing for a while now, even if it’s not true, it something that should have crossed the minds of our losties. I men they crash on an island (seemingly uninhabited) and there are hatches and electricity, running water even computers. Food drops from the sky and they don’t even dwell on that for half an episode?

But anyway about this episode, I think that the button does mean something, it can’t be worthless. Just because they were being watched doesn’t prove anything either way. Besides the first orientation video said the button had to be pushed because on the “incident” so that means whatever experiment were going on before don’t have anything to do with it’s function now. Also I don’t think Libby will be back, no one else has returned from the dead, so we have no reason to believe she will. But I think her story will be played out in flashbacks, maybe Hurly’s, Eko’s, or some other Lostie she came in contact with.

Can’t wait to find out more about the deal Michael made with the others and I’m very intrigued with the Pearl and the other hatches – I wished they would have examined it more . . .(damn Locke)

#102. Posted by: Mary at May 11, 2006 6:15 PM

Since each 'tour of duty' is 3 weeks; they have enough tubes.

#103. Posted by: maxlife at May 11, 2006 6:19 PM

Does anyone find it a little weird that Michael stumbled out of the hatch doors at the beginning of the episode as Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Locke were about to walk in? Was he just waiting there for them to come back? Just a thought as I re-watched the beginning.

#104. Posted by: Robby at May 11, 2006 6:23 PM

the wheelchair...any1... i just cant figure it out

#105. Posted by: 4815162342 at May 11, 2006 6:26 PM

I love the show and mac's reviews. Anyone ever play Myst?

#106. Posted by: Ross at May 11, 2006 6:30 PM

Yeah, I don't know if this is where you were going with it, but the thought has crossed my mind that the island and the strange happenings are somehow similar to the myst games. The islanders seem to keep finding new places with more clues that will eventually allow them to solve the greater puzzle.

#107. Posted by: Sabrina at May 11, 2006 6:40 PM

okay so lost is the best!!! BUT get this i went to sublymonal.com and the tv screens come up...well u click the first one 4 times...and it turns yellow...click the second one 8 times and it turns yellow next click 15 then 16 then 23 then 42!!! then it takes u to the next page....and if u click on the hanso foundation link...go to executive bios...then click on dr thomas whatever and in the middle of his breif biography there is a box u can type in...type in HEIR APPARENT...which was on the tv clicking page and a black bubbl comes up and a girl (freaky ring looking girl walks close to the screen) disappears and u see a paper from caltech univerity and click on the red underlines words....then u can get th rest urself....

THEORY # 1---everytime the survivors punch in the numbers...the tvs in the pearl hatch or whichever one locke and eko found work and they "OTHERS" can observe them!!!

THEORY # 2---all the others couldnt get anywhere in life so they started this club to make other peoples lives miserable...eh??

#108. Posted by: Autumn at May 11, 2006 6:41 PM

In the preview, it appears the conversation Michael has with the black lady regarding Walt takes place in present day and not a flashback. He has the same wound on his head he has had since returning to camp. That being said, the rest of what the preview shows with him does appear to be a flashback

-- Posted by: Ignatius at May 11, 2006 05:46 PM

In response to this wouldn't it make sense that he got that head injury in the flashback running from the Others and has had it ever since i.e. when he's now in the Hatch with Jack & Kate?
Its obviously a flashback scene.

#109. Posted by: babaganaush at May 11, 2006 6:54 PM

Re: Comments suggesting LOST is a reality show.

Has it occurred to anyone that Dharma and Hanso or their facsimiles are actually real? But that their psychological experiments are not about a group of plane crash victims on an island? Maybe they are all about studying what is occurring in real life. They created a TV show with twists and turns then create websites and Blogs about this TV show then they sit back and study how people react. I have read entries that deal with the same conflicts the losties deal with. Good vs. Evil like those disturbed and sad because everything happening to the group is bad and then there are entries from people who applaud the killing off of a character because they didn’t the looks on her face (AL’s sneer). Those that condemned the torture of faux HG vs. those that approved of it because he MIGHT be one of the Others. Speaking of the Others how many of you are actually one of the Others making entries just to screw with people’s minds (ala HG messing with Locke). And what about Mac? Isn’t it possible that he just might be HIM? The unidentified leader that is pulling all the puppets strings.
HMMMMMMMMM


#110. Posted by: whatisreality at May 11, 2006 7:15 PM

Love your blog and writings, Mac! Keep up the good work.

Did anyone else notice that when Eko visited the psychic (who lied to Claire), his mole was on the wrong (-> right!) side of his face in a couple of close up shots? Maybe those *fake* flashback memories were implanted by a Dharma Institute member who didn't do his homework? ;).

" Blinkered by habit we glance around
rather than look with acuity. In effect the eye sleeps until the mind wakes it with a question ... " --Alan Fletcher

#111. Posted by: DutchDude at May 11, 2006 7:17 PM

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned the fact that Locke put a copy of the map in the tube and sent it. Any significance here??

#112. Posted by: meg at May 11, 2006 7:21 PM

Zeppo, the wording he used is "the following protocal has been observed" I wonder if the word observed means that somehow events got confused or misunderstood and then they started doing the button.

#113. Posted by: meg at May 11, 2006 7:25 PM

i dont know if this is important but i recall the phsycic saying something like "u cant see a persons future, not in this world at least" something like that i dont know the exact quote

#114. Posted by: Heavens Reject at May 11, 2006 7:29 PM

Maybe I am too eager to believe in psychic powers but I thought Claire's psychic was lying about being a fraud. Being a psychic and all he knew that Eko needed to be on the plane to LA - and if what happened to Charlotte was in fact a miracle, Eko would have been forced to stay in Sydney - and not been available for discovering new hatches(remember Father What's-His-Name saying Eko would have to postpone the trip to investigate.).

#115. Posted by: jay at May 11, 2006 7:29 PM

Hey all--excellent points all around and few more thoughts:

1) I agree that something within another hatch might out Michael's crime. When Obi-Locke figures out where the Swan recordings are, he is gonna see Michael doing the deed...sooooo

2) Yemi and the wheelchair...I thought it was interesting in Obi-Locke's dream that Mr. Eko's brother Yemi was in a wheelchair at the top of the cliff. Might this reprsent Locke and his feelings of failure, loss, inadequecy?

3) Seems Dr. Marvin Candle is now Dr. Mark Wickmund....hmmmmmmm, candle, wick, hmmmmm. Maybe word play or maybe something else

cinefyl

#116. Posted by: cinefyl at May 11, 2006 7:30 PM

This episode proved to me that Lost is the first well-done drama series based entirely on one massive McGuffin. It is truly great.

#117. Posted by: maltese falcon at May 11, 2006 7:37 PM

Hmmmmm Mac is HIM.
Makes perfect sense.
We are all rats in his little maze.
Where's the cheese?

#118. Posted by: El at May 11, 2006 7:52 PM

I find it really odd that all the hatches annd dharma stuff is so old, yet they just recently had food sent down by dharma

Does anyone have any reason for thinking Libby isnt dead? I really hope ppl who believe that are right.

Personally I was dissapointed by the hatch. I thought it would be more significant, like the others' hideout.

#119. Posted by: Ollie at May 11, 2006 8:00 PM

question: how did charlotte know that eko was going to be at the airport on that flight? think the psychic saw that too? or maybe *she's* a real psychic? or maybe this was already answered and i'm just an idiot? :)

#120. Posted by: jm at May 11, 2006 8:01 PM

Your theory about the others sounds convincing, Mac. I'm curious to see if and how the other hatches are used and find out why Desmond was in this one. And I'm more curous to see what Sayid is going to do about all this. I hope he's in the next episode.

#121. Posted by: Kim at May 11, 2006 8:04 PM

now you can send hanso an email

McIntyre@thehansofoundation.org

#122. Posted by: meg at May 11, 2006 8:09 PM

Someone PLEASE tell me what the scenes were in Eko's dream after he saw A.L. and before he saw Yemi in the hatch. I have no way to watch it in slow-mo and I am convinced there is some significance to those scenes.

Also, did anyone pick up on the fact that during John's dream when Eko was chasing after Yemi to the cliff he was limping on the same leg that is hurt on John? And that would possibly have something to do with Yemi being in a wheelchair at the top of the cliff. I can't quite explain it, but it's as if Eko was supposed to be John, or they were one person......or something. Just a thought.

#123. Posted by: karen at May 11, 2006 8:15 PM

@whatisreality:
your theory could actually explain the abundant occurrence of the "Dharma-Logo" on the Lost-"show". It could be some kind of advertising.

As real-world scenarios have become pretty unlikely, reality TV, purgatory or a collective dream/therapy scenario, each would explain most parts of the storyline, but I doubt that any of these speculations could really explain everything that has happened so far on Lost. I'm pretty sure the overall storyline has gotten inconsistent. This seems to affect all mystery shows, which run for too long, like Alias, X-Files, ...

Therefore, I've decided to stop watching Lost after this season. I'm tired of standard-Alias plots like the 5th Rumbaldi endgame, people dying and later coming back, people getting "good" for one season, then getting "evil" again... after some time a lab rat learns that there's always the scent of cheese in the air, but it will never be able to really snatch it. I've become a pretty annoyed lab rat.

#124. Posted by: Margot at May 11, 2006 8:50 PM

Did anyone else see the DeGroots in the video? The guy with the bushy dark hair looks just like the leader of the Others. Or am I nuts?

Diane

#125. Posted by: Diane at May 11, 2006 9:17 PM

I'm thinking the main reason why Sayid will question Michael's story is because Sayid pulled the same scam in Iraq. He set Nadia free, shot his commander and then shot himself in the leg. And Michael's story has major holes in it.

As someone already said, Ana-Lucia was sitting down in the chair which wouldnt make sense. Also, dating back to Ethan Rom, every Other we've encountered has had ridiculously good fighting skills and killer instinct. Surely if Gale escaped, he wouldve shot Michael in the chest and not leave him alive.

But yeah, Michael is definitley doing all this because he's being forced. The Others probably said that the only way he gets Walt back is if he brings them the rest of the castaways.

#126. Posted by: RoyMitchels at May 11, 2006 9:31 PM

I really think there's more to Michael than just being blackmailed. That crazy evil look was just too reminiscent of HG. The Others have a pretty intense program of drugs and brainwashing, a la Claire. She was wacked out of her gourd when they had her in the medical hatch, not to mention her lost memory (ahem). Charlie too, couldn't remember anything when Ethan attacked him.
I certainly don't see a resemblance between DeGroot and Zeke. However, he looks like he could be Peter Jackson's brother!

#127. Posted by: Joss at May 11, 2006 10:22 PM

If u pause it during the clip from the next episode..when they are capturing micheal u can see alex i think

#128. Posted by: Evan at May 11, 2006 10:35 PM

re: scenes during eko dream
beach crash scene
monster explosion ( i think just before eko meets monster)
tailie kid face down in water
cross necklace on ground
bare foot, bare leg, others
teddy bear on leash (from above)
a flame
blind folded jin facing eko
v.m. statues on table in front of guy on one crutch
charlie & eko watching beechcraft burn
yemi in church
dharma arrow logo - flame in front
eko holding holy bible
eko stick
dried out gold tooth corpse
locke
eko-smoke monster vision - lady?
cross on yemi's dead body
beechcraft at airstrip in florida (it just doesn't look like africa!)
troop truck approching beechcraft
yemi agape
dr m. candle

geez, hope all that helps

#129. Posted by: mtncbn at May 11, 2006 11:47 PM

Before the plane crash, Locke was wheelchair-bound. That's at least part of the reason he saw Yemi in the wheelchair.

#130. Posted by: James at May 12, 2006 12:16 AM

The log file seems to correlate to the button pushing the castaways have been doing for the entire second season ...
***************************************
I must confess that maths isn't my strong point. Can somebody please explain the correlation.

#131. Posted by: nichst at May 12, 2006 12:44 AM

I think that Locke sending the map up the tube was a mistake, How could he just so carelessly do that?!

Wish the wonder twins would have explored the pearl some more, there's gotta be more than one room in there. Also I think that the tv screens were all to monitor the swan only. I bet that if Locke and Eko search more in the pearl they will find recording tape to reveal the true killer. If the tape is looped, well, they better hurry and find it before the evidence is gone.

All the theories about puratory and losties all being dead and stuff is stupid. I would hate the show if that is what is going on.

#132. Posted by: moe at May 12, 2006 1:30 AM

i'm not sure who said it but, "gurgling wierd wet kid" really made me laugh.

#133. Posted by: Laura at May 12, 2006 1:42 AM

Never mind. I've got it now.

Now let's forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream.

#134. Posted by: nichst at May 12, 2006 1:45 AM

[ Post deleted because someone's cap lock was stuck. Please don't post in all caps -- Mac]

#135. Posted by: NEPHESH at May 12, 2006 2:26 AM

nephesh, i have no interest in reading what you typed out -- caps suck.

#136. Posted by: schiano at May 12, 2006 2:28 AM

I don't get it ... Ecko is supposed to be reinforcing Lockes faith in the button punching but finding the "? hatch" and orientation flik only seems to destroy his faith.

Hopefully the revenge factor will unite the Losties (especially jack,james and locke)these guys need to get on the same page.
Maybe that is the running theme, that we need to be surrounded by "others" to be stronger. Pun intended ? Maybe for sure.

Maybe in a dream, Libby will tell Hurley or someone what Michael did.

...and EVAN, you are correct! That is Alex in the preview for next week.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#137. Posted by: thinng at May 12, 2006 4:23 AM

I have a possible theory about Claires psychic, he may have been telling the truth when he said he was a fraud, and as someone mentioned earlier his daughter is the real psychic. When she "died" she may have found out more than just the message from Yemi, she may have also come up with the whole prediction of claires baby's future and passed the information onto her father to pass to claire, as he is meant to be the psychic one afterall, and claire is more likely to believe him than a kid.
I don't know if claire saw the psychic after his daughter "drowned" or before. I dont know how it fits in with the whole timeline before the flight. It's a theory.
Any thoughts?

#138. Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2006 5:17 AM

Maybe I'm missing something about the timeline here, but when Michael came back, wasn't he 'out of it' it for a while? Like, until daybreak? After that, everything transpired in a few hours... at daytime.

#139. Posted by: Illusivemuse at May 12, 2006 8:10 AM

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this before but.... When Locke & Eko were in the hatch with all the old TV screens they saw a live shot of Jack in the other hatch. I predict that they will find the recorder for these cameras in the Pearl and will see what REALLY happened. In other words they will see Michael shooting AL & Libby and letting FH go. This would be a great cliffhanger if the LOST army goes out to defeat the Others and rescue Walt. Locke COULD find the video of Michael while the rest (Jack, Sawyer, Michael, etc.) leave to fight. Locke couldn't go since he has a bum leg at the moment.

Any comments anybody??

#140. Posted by: Scott at May 12, 2006 8:14 AM

Scott - Good ideas, but these have been discussed pretty extensively above.


In the previews for next week, we see Michael talking to a woman. Is this the same woman we saw in Eko's smoke monster? Some of the smoke monster images were familiar to us, but some we hadn't seen yet. When I saw the woman talking to Michael, I thought she looked really familiar. Could someone check this?

#141. Posted by: AmyK at May 12, 2006 8:54 AM

I agree with the others (pun intended) that the TV's aren't being video recorded. I was cheering for it during that part of the episode too, but I think they will find out some other way.

And if you go back to the Key Points for "Two for the Road" there is a link (I think it's that review) that will take you to screenshots and there are already a few for next weeks episode on there. And yes, Evan, Alex is in one of the shots with Michael. Geez I love this show!

#142. Posted by: karen at May 12, 2006 8:55 AM

I was also wondering about the printout that Eko grabbed. I did not get a good look at the numbers, but I wonder how they are deciphered to know when the button was pressed.

The food drop still puzzles me though. The food drop must have been occurring all along because Desmond was manning the hatch. The Pearl video seems to point out that the button pressing is an experiment. But what does the button do? I think that the food drop is definitely linked to the button. If the button is continually pressed, Hanso knows that people are still there working the hatch, meaning they need to keep dropping food. But why didn't the video mention the food drops? When the experiment first started, did the people not know about the food drops and were they made to think that the food drop woudl stop if the stopped pressing the button? I like the idea that the Swan station is the only one appearing because the button pressing keeps the electricity flowing. Now that Locke knows that they are being watched, I'm sure he'll investigate the camera locations at Swan.

Is next week the finale?

#143. Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 9:04 AM

about the food drops.

if the food drops were to support persons manning the hatch experiment, then they would be willing to exit.
desmond didn't seem to be willing to exit until after his encounter with our losties. how long would the food have lasted for one person (desmond) not to run out?

the inside of the common "hatch" showed Quarantine on the lid at the surface. there is also another entrance/exit to the hatch ... desmond shared this and now the losties use it all the time.

was quarantine part of the "experiment" or did it come along after.

#144. Posted by: 4ever_Lost at May 12, 2006 9:14 AM

The wheel chair, Think about it, the dream was actually Locke's dream not Echo's so therefore it would include elements of lockes life, like in your own dreams where people morph into different people or places are oddly connected to unrelated places. so Yemi was sitting in Locke's wheelchair.

#145. Posted by: D LostinBoston at May 12, 2006 9:18 AM

Does anyone think this might be one big video game. shearch, find, kill, clues,etc??

#146. Posted by: Denise Blesing at May 12, 2006 9:40 AM

Did anyone actually see or hear the plane during the food drop? Seems to me the food was just stumbled upon, and then someone said it was a plane but no one actually could verify this 100% Maybe it's old food? I thought that odd because they discovered the food and then later was the scene where someone claimed it was dropped.

#147. Posted by: Meg at May 12, 2006 9:41 AM

I think Desmond made some reference to the fact that he could come and go from the hatch, but couldn't go far because he had to push the button every few hours. When he and Kelvin were there together, maybe they could go exploring on the island and that is how they made the map that Locke saw. Desmond was under the impression that the island would make him sick; that's why he was injecting himself with the vials of "vaccine" and that's why he loaded up his backpack with the extra vials before he ran off into the jungle. He also asked Jack and Locke how many of them were sick.

The people running the experiment used the button pushing and the fake quarantine to keep people on a short leash. Not wanting them to wander too far from the Swan hatch.

That's my guess.

I have no idea why food is still being dropped if no one is actually monitoring the Swan hatch (watching Desmond).

I agree with someone who posted recently that some elements of the story seem not to follow logically. If you dig too deep, you can find holes in the story. But on the surface, it's lots of fun! I just love the back stories, and the emotional/human element of the show. I'm less interested in the whole "mythology," to borrow an XFiles reference.

#148. Posted by: Amanda at May 12, 2006 9:54 AM

I think that this island is part of one big computer network, with all hatches somehow linked together to one main control station. The Pearl hatch is also an experiment because people are watching them via the camera Locke found. The pressing of the button must go to the main control station also so that food drops can be coordinated. I do not think the amount of food will change though, but who knows. Maybe the main control center has tv sets too and the main controllers can see multiple people coming in and out and they adjust the food supply base on the number of people. Who knows.

Maybe the others are part of an Al Queda sleeper cell. hehe.

#149. Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 10:26 AM

Has it ever been established WHY Libby went to the hatch? Am I remembering wrong, or was her sole responsibility before the picnic to simply get the blankets? She obviously already got the blankets since she had them in her hands when she got shot, so WHY WAS SHE HEADING INTO THE HATCH AT ALL?

To tell AL about her date? (Unlikely, but you know how girls are.)

To get other supplies for the picnic that I'm not remembering?

To take a quick shower to be all fresh and clean for Hurley?

She's not one of the regulars at the Hatch, so why was she there at all? This has been bugging me since last week's episode. Have I totally missed something? Can someone help me out with this? Thanks!!!

#150. Posted by: hookedonlost at May 12, 2006 10:29 AM

In Eko's dream why didnt Ana Lucia say "Oh by the way that rat bastard Micheal killed me".

#151. Posted by: bcook at May 12, 2006 10:34 AM

I just had another thought. I first want to mention how cool it is that ABC is now putting episodes on their website to watch for free. That is awesome. Maybe the iTunes thing isn't going as planned.

In any case, Yemi told Eko, in his dream, that "the work he is doing on this island is important." He also mentioned that John has lost his way and needs help. When a priest speaks in those terms, he usually means that they are swaying away from the Lord. I think when he said that the work he was doing was important, he meant his work on building the church and preaching the word to the castaways who are "Lost." If you think about it, all of the people on the island have lost their way in some manner. Sayid is a killer, Locke helped his dad steal money, Charlie was a drug user, Kate was a killer, Hurley did accidentally kill people, but he was also a glutton. Do you see where I am going with this? All of these people represent the fabric of America slowly dwindling into the depths of hell. We have boobs showing up in Superbowl halftime shows, numerous shows on TV making a mockery of marriage, i.e. Desperate Housewives, etc.

I can't help but think that this is some form of the afterlife or purgatory. Henry Gale said that no one can see this island. Until these castaways or "Lost" people see the error in their ways, they will remain in purgatory. That is why Eko's work is so important. The people in the plane who truly died during the crash have made it to heaven.

I thought that there was a hole in my theory with Rose/Bernard, but Bernard went to a holistic healer (bad), and Rose lied to him about being healed. Until they repent for their sins, they may all remain. Plus, we may not have seen other bad things they have done in their lives.

#152. Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 10:39 AM

= Heavens Reject - I think the reference was 'there are no miracles to be had, at least not in this world'
= Ollie, - it has been mentioned that when a character is dead, they're dead.
= The finale "Live Together, Die Alone airs the 24th.

#153. Posted by: maxlife at May 12, 2006 11:01 AM

iTunes is going smoothly -- shows are actually selling quite well. ABC offering tv shows free and online are just another form of them being able to make money -- through advertisements.

Now, they have their product out in numerous ways -- each Weds night, commercials advertising for next weeks episodes, $2 show purchase on iTunes, watch "free" on abc.com, and at the end of the season, DVD set.

It's all about the benjamins.

#154. Posted by: schiano at May 12, 2006 11:04 AM

Jim- Good theories about afterlife/purgatory, but again, the producers have said numerous times that they are not in any purgatory type of setting, and are all as alive as we are. (Unless they've croaked since the crash of course!)

Jay- Interesting theory that the psychic guy was lying to Eko about being a fraud. I wonder what his motive in lying would be? Getting Eko on the plane wouldn't have much to do with Claire. I tend to think he is a fraud, but had a real vision when dealing with Claire.

Margot- You're taking this all too seriously! In the end it's just a TV show. Sit back, relax, and just be entertained. No reason to obsess about the details! (Like the rest of us are...) There's just no way I could ever stop watching the show. It'd drive me crazy not having all of these questions and mysteries answered. No matter how long it takes.

I believe for a true Catholic baptism to happen, it has to be done by a Catholic priest or deacon since it is one of the sacraments. And technically, holy water has to be used. (ie, water that has been blessed by a real priest.) However, the Catholic church DOES recognize Christian baptisms done in other Christian religions as valid. (NOT done by a priest or deacon, and no 'holy water' involved.) So I guess Eko baptizing Aaron may have been legit afterall- he wasn't Catholically baptized, but he was Christianally baptized. (I reserve the right to make up my own words!) But it really doesn't matter for Lost purposes. The real issue was Charlie getting his sanity back and Claire feeling secure that her baby is safer or protected by having been 'baptized' by a religious type person like Eko. Afterall, Claire probably isn't even Catholic!

#155. Posted by: JoePike at May 12, 2006 11:32 AM

'there are no miracles to be had, at least not in this world'


and this is why they must all be sent to the island, for that is not part of the world (not even god can see it).

I seem to remember that Claire's guy was a fake at first, but got scared at what he actually did see with her.

ugh! Get me off this website and back to work!!! :)

#156. Posted by: Meg at May 12, 2006 11:43 AM

When Clare visited the psychic he was blind and it appeared real. Clearly when he runs out to speak with Eko, he is not. Maybe he is a fraud, but he seemed genuine while convincing Clare to take the trip. There is definitely more to this.


Second, the psychic's daughter has a zombie like look (ashen with dark circles under the eyes). People in Australia lead a healthy lifestyle, she should n't have looked like that.


Also, why does Rose believe she cannot leave the island? She and Bernard went to the healer in Australia, and he (allegedly) healed all of those people and then they went home. Even if the island is her special place of restorative powers, her reasoning just doesn't make sense.


Finally, there are Hanso ads in the New York Times. (The most recent one was about the *Bad Twin*) Has anyone else seen them? There haven't been any post about them. Perhaps Darma was originally one kind of experiment and then was hi-jacked into something else.

#157. Posted by: boharpe at May 12, 2006 11:47 AM

Oh good point bcook, why didn't AL tell Ecko who shot her?
One thing is bugging me about the theory where Michael is sent by the Others to set HG free and then they will let him have Walt. If he comes back to the hatch and sets HG free, wouldn't he go back with HG to get Walt? By staying at the hatch, he has no leverage with the Others to get Walt. Now they have HG back and Walt.

#158. Posted by: El at May 12, 2006 11:50 AM

I would like to add once more...


The characters on Lost are NOT IN PURGATORY!! This has been shot down time and again by the producers. Whenever they get a chance to respond to outlandish theories that are NOT TRUE, they do!

Again -

NOT PURGATORY!!
PURGATORY IT IS NOT!!
PURGATORY?! UH-UH!!
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE-ity-NOPE!!!
NO PURGATORY HERE!!

That having been said, I wonder if they're all in Purgatory? Hmmm...

OH WAIT - I REMEMBER NOW - THEY'RE NOT NOT NOT IN PURGATORY, NO WAY, NO HOW!!


#159. Posted by: NOT PURGATORY at May 12, 2006 11:51 AM

Gosh I wish people would read through the posts before posting their own. There's an awful lot of theories being presented that were touched on several times previously in the Blog.
If this is an experiment then the food drop would be the random reinforcer meant to keep them pressing the button.
It scares me to think that we're part of the experiment in real life by commenting on all the details of the episode. That's definitely the creepiest theory yet!

#160. Posted by: chris at May 12, 2006 11:52 AM

Cool article from Star Wars Homing Beacon (obviously relates to "Lost"):

http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20060505/index.html

#161. Posted by: Miss Val at May 12, 2006 11:54 AM

Maybe the fake physic isn't fake.

Theory: He told Eko that because he "saw" something if his daughter's story was made public and certified as a miracle. Thus he choose "cover it up" to prevent it.

Just a theory.

#162. Posted by: Matt at May 12, 2006 12:34 PM

Theory 1.... Henry Gale(the real one) is Rose's brother (same last name)

Theory 2 .... In the Pearl room, it being a recording room and all, Locke and Ecko will find out how to rewind and view previous scenes from the hatch that have been already recorded (of course including Michael's shootout to free Gale)

#163. Posted by: Phil dubs at May 12, 2006 1:03 PM

How many times is someone going to suggest that they rewind a tape in the Pearl to see Michael committing the crime? Please read all the entries before posting folks! It's been suggested ad nauseum!
There have been some theories whether or not the cameras were actually taping anything. My thought is that they were not, that they are just a live feed. If the events in the swan were being taped then why would the people in the Pearl need to record everything they saw in a notebook?

#164. Posted by: chris at May 12, 2006 1:13 PM

Long time reader, first time poster. My husband brought up a good point that I wanted to share. I doubt it has anything to do with the show really but it is kind of a fun to think about.

Has anyone read "Ten Little Indians" by Agatha Christie (unsure of the spelling of the last name)? A bunch of people are brought to an island because of previous wrong doings and then are killed off one by one. They were all connected but didn't know it. A lot of the characters on Lost have some type of wrong doing in their past and so maybe that is why they are on the island. They are the "bad people". Some people end up there because of bad luck/being on a doomed flight, so they are still "good people". They are just stuck on the island with bad people.

#165. Posted by: ydnewc1 at May 12, 2006 1:23 PM

An ET article that Mac posted a link for lists the Dr. in the Pearl video as Whitman...NOT Wickmund.

#166. Posted by: J-Rod at May 12, 2006 1:43 PM

I was just on the tvguide website, looking at the specifics of the finale, and it listed Kelvin being played by Clancy Brown. Remember him? He's the same guy who met Sayid during the war and showed him a video of his village being burned then taught him how to torture people. Ergo: That dude was/is Kelvin! I thought I saw him in the previews for next week, giving Michael an injection. Turns out, I was right! HA HA! :)

#167. Posted by: Trinity at May 12, 2006 1:46 PM

The Wickmund/Whitman thing is something I need to look into. The close captioning listed it as Wickmund, but I've seen him referred to as Whitman in a number of places so I've got my doubts about the CC text. -- Mac

#168. Posted by: mac at May 12, 2006 1:46 PM

El-

I'm thinking that Michael didn't come back to rejoin the Losties, rather, he was sent back by the Others to incite the Losties into gathering up their weapons and going to "attack" the others, either waltzing into a trap in the process - OR, if the "two groups of Others" theory is correct, then possibly to attack the 'primitive others' for some purpose - part of the experiment? maybe the primitive others have become 'a problem' for the sophisticated others...

So, Michael was sent back to release HG, who's psych-ops mission has been going swimmingly, and then incite the Losties to help him get Walt "back". My bet is that, after he leads the charge, he is planning on rejoining the Others and staying in their camp, with Walt... or that's what he's been promised. I doubt it'll happen.

So I don't think Michael was looking to settle down with the Losties again.

Also, some people have expressed doubts about how he'd knew AL would have a gun, etc. I think it's worth pointing out that when he left, the guns were all in the Hatch. He likely just knew he had to free HG and make it look like he was overpowered. When he saw AL w/ the gun, he seized the opportunity but killed her to cover his tracks (or as part of brainwash programming to get revenge on AL, but that requires a LOT of coincidences...) Libby was obviously a mistake/reflexive reaction...

Still, the others have jacked up Michael's head good. I'm liking the idea that Sayeed will be the one to figure out Michael's BS, because of his past with Nadia. I hope someone does. I doubt there are tapes in the Pearl - but there MIGHT be tapes somewhere else, maybe Alex will send them an incriminating one...

I'm hoping the season ends on more of a "high note" or a "WTF?" note, than a real downer (like Season 1)... I'm not sure about other people, but there's a certain fatigue to seeing the "good guys" (not those kooky "good people") get screwed at every turn...

Now, to see what spoilers EW hath wrought...

BH

#169. Posted by: biohazard at May 12, 2006 1:53 PM

I knew Clancy Brown would show up again at some point. He seemed like too recognizable an actor to have had such a small role in Sayid's backstory.

That Agatha Christie book sounds like a good read. Maybe it's on Sawyer's summer reading list!

#170. Posted by: chris at May 12, 2006 2:09 PM

My goodness...it took me two days to read all these postings....

I don't think the psychic is fake. I think he realizes it's EKO who is the fraud and, therefore, didn't want a blasphemous priest to interact with his daughter and at the risk of jeopardizing anything that had to do with his daughter. But it took Charlotte and her message from Yemi, coupled with the crash and actually finding Yemi's body on the same island for Eko to choose the righteous path.

As far as Kate explaining to Jack about the costumes...she was about to tell him when Michael came stumbling out of the jungle....since then, hasn't it only been less than 24 hours since finding Michael, shooting AL and Libby, HG escaping, going with Sawyer to get the gun, etc??? Maybe she hasn't had a chance to yet???

Can someone explain the "two groups of others" theory to me? How are there two groups of others if we know about the costumes? To my knowledge, the only other possible group of others (does that make sense?) would be the group that walked by Eko and Jin's eyes at the beginning of the season who appeared to not make any noise. And, if that is at all correct, I believe a set of those legs and the bear were two images in Eko's dream montage. Is there a connection???

#171. Posted by: Vikki at May 12, 2006 2:25 PM

speaking of which: when did Sawyer get the new glasses that aren't all taped together?

#172. Posted by: chris at May 12, 2006 2:27 PM

At some point while Sawyer was reading on the beach with the new specs, Kate made fun of them and he pointed out that he was lucky enough to find another pair that was pretty close to his prescription, so it didn't matter what they looked like. (Paraphrasing from a poor memory...)

Chris said:
"If the events in the swan were being taped then why would the people in the Pearl need to record everything they saw in a notebook?"

Because even the 'observers' are part of a grand experiment whether they know it or not. That's why they are also being watched by that camera...

I think we keep bringing up that video theory for Mike getting nailed because there are now no witnesses and it would be a logical and easy way for the truth to come out. (I doubt FHG will ever have the opportunity or reason to spill the beans.) The videos could be looped so they auto-record over themselves after a period of time, and that's why there's not 'stacks of tapes lying around.'

#173. Posted by: JoePike at May 12, 2006 2:45 PM

JoePike--
Those are good points about the video. We'll see, but I still doubt there's any recording of Michael to find. I think Sayid will have to get the truth out of Michael the old fashioned way. Thanks for catching me up on the glasses--I missed that somehow!

#174. Posted by: cplane at May 12, 2006 2:55 PM

The Artist-Formerly-Known-As-Henry-Gale...

Hilarious! Loved it. Sawyer's best line yet. Interestingly the EW article pointed out that he didn't want to say it and was told to 'Make it work.'

I think it worked!

#175. Posted by: JoePike at May 12, 2006 3:09 PM

I just rewatched the episode and noticed something that may be nothing. When Kate goes into the hatch and declares Ana Lucia dead, AL has a ring on the fourth finger of her left hand, like she is married.

I don't recall seeing a ring on her finger before, or did she have one and I just didn't pay attention?

Also, again, anyone else think the woman speaking to Michael in the previews for next week is the same woman from Eko's smoke monster?

#176. Posted by: AmyK at May 12, 2006 3:18 PM

"The artist formerly known as Henry Gale"

One of Sawyer's best.

#177. Posted by: Charlie Salinger at May 12, 2006 3:26 PM

I think they are all in purgatory.

#178. Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 3:57 PM

That's very funny Jim, you torturer! Why don't you just mention that they may rewind the videotape!

I hope that's not the last we'll see of Faux Henry Gale. Such a great character and actor.


#179. Posted by: JoePike at May 12, 2006 4:09 PM

if you go to this link you can read an interview with the producers that explains why they killed off Libby and A.L.

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

#180. Posted by: karen at May 12, 2006 4:09 PM

does anyone else think that libby might have just slipped into some sort of heroine induced coma? maybe she didnt actually die.....yet(after all, she has a new show on CBS)

--and in the preview..did you see when one of the natives threw some sort of bolo string weapon? do you think they REALLY dont have guns? or are these people a bunch of different "others" like i've speculated? maybe they're on the run from the bad "others" and are trying to just keep to themselves. these people would be the ones that eko and jin saw walking thru the jungle with bare feet and what looked like kids with a teddy bear on a rope. they're good people that are constantly on the run from the non-stop-experiment-conducting-dharma jerks.

man, i cant wait til hurley finds out the truth, michael is gonna get his ass WHOOOOOPED!!!!!!!

#181. Posted by: marls at May 12, 2006 4:22 PM

man Karen!! youre killing me, i post my idea of libby just being in some sort of coma, and you post the interview with the LOST producers that shoot my theory down!! way to go! keep doin your homework, heehee
please just dont tell me that locke and eko get into a fight or anything in the
upcoming episodes j/k

#182. Posted by: marls at May 12, 2006 4:35 PM

During the Hanso commercial, I saw a brief flash on the screen that said it was paid for by Sprite (or something like that). Right after that, when the website address appeared, my wife made the comment that Sprite used to advertise that they had something like "Lymon" in the drink (lemon/lime), which was triggered when she saw "www.subLYMONAL.com". So would this advertisement be subliminal or conscious? Why hasn't anyone mentioned their thirst for Sprite on this board?

Is Sprite (Coke) behind the whole thing (just kidding...Wait--do they have Sprite in purgatory???)

jj

#183. Posted by: jeffthx at May 12, 2006 4:38 PM

Here's a link to the pic of the mysterious substances on the tray in the Pearl station. Can anyone make out what it is?
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x21/tray.jpg

#184. Posted by: Joss at May 12, 2006 4:50 PM

I think it looks like someone found the heroin and had been snorting it like mad, but was interupted? Or had to leave in a hurry and couldn't take it with them?

#185. Posted by: Joss at May 12, 2006 4:52 PM

Maybe since the Others wear costumes to disguise themselves they also disguise the hatches to make them look abandon. Dusty books, a mess, etc.

#186. Posted by: meg at May 12, 2006 5:17 PM

Someone asked about Ana wearing a ring on her left hand fourth finger, I looked at picture from the other 48 days were she is first on the island and she is wearing a ring on this hand and finger. I could not make out if it is the same ring as the one she has on in the two for the road or ?.

#187. Posted by: mad about lost at May 12, 2006 5:54 PM

So here's my thoughts on the 2 groups of others, I think only one groups exists. We know they sometimes were costumes, I think so they can fool the losties or people in experiments (maybe??) into thinking that they are natives. We've seen some of them in modern clothes because they got caught trying to infiltrate the group. In the Others group there have to be some that are higher up than others like HG and mr. Friendly, the others with no shoes were probably the ones that have to do all the "heavy lifting" (like kidnapping kids)

Also one point about Micheal, the others knew he was looking for them after the "don't cross this line" confrontation, I doubt he was clever enough to spy on them from the bushes w/o them noticing. He must have gotten caught and told to release gale or they would kill walt or something, he would've not had a choice but to do what they said.

#188. Posted by: Mary at May 12, 2006 6:32 PM

here is a ? How did the map get drawn. It was said earlier that when Kelvin was in the hatch with desmond that since they took turns pushing the button every 8 hours they had time to explore the island and thats how the map got drawn. Um, hello...the hatches were on all ends of the island. Remember when they went to find Fake HG baloon...they said it was at least one days trip. So...where could you go in 4 hours. Half the time to get there and half to get back.........

#189. Posted by: hellomoto at May 12, 2006 6:39 PM

Someone mentioned the heroin in the Pearl hatch...if the question mark was a signal to planes, then maybe the Beechcraft with the drug-runners aboard were actually HEADED to the island to connect with someone in the Pearl hatch or another, that's how they got the heroin.
Or maybe the Pearl people just got it from the downed plane afterwards.

#190. Posted by: Christina at May 12, 2006 7:57 PM

Okay for one are u sure it was a question mark that eko saw cause he said it was a circle that could seen from above... and on the map there are 6hatches and the question mark right..so mabe they didnt find the question mark and just found nother hatch. Because the question mark ment they didnt no what it was. Sry if im mistaken or anything. Please comment back..help me out THANKS

#191. Posted by: Evan at May 12, 2006 8:29 PM

Okay for one are u sure it was a question mark that eko saw cause he said it was a circle that could seen from above... and on the map there are 6hatches and the question mark right..so mabe they didnt find the question mark and just found nother hatch. Because the question mark ment they didnt no what it was. Sry if im mistaken or anything. Please comment back..help me out THANKS

#192. Posted by: Evan at May 12, 2006 8:29 PM

Holy Cow!!! First time poster. I love this blog! Great Job! I laughed so hard on this review....especially when you said Eko "did a Boone"...I'm still laughing. I have introduced many people at work to this blog. They love it too. I have a terrible memory so the recap is wonderful, but didn't Charlotte say something about Eko being a "good" person?....or is that just what I wanted to hear?

#193. Posted by: Janie at May 12, 2006 9:11 PM

Didn't I read at SpoilerFix in the comments about this episode that Charlotte was a "16th century Australian"? That must have been a typo, I guess.

#194. Posted by: Christina at May 12, 2006 9:39 PM

I don't know if anyone has posted this before, but since reading all these posts takes a while, I'll say it anyway.
In Buddhism there is something called the nobl eightfold path that consists of eight things to do right to attain Nirvana (heaven, sort of). One of them is "right dharma" meaning right conduct.
I don't know if this has any relevance, but I thought it was pretty neat.

#195. Posted by: Kate (my real name) at May 12, 2006 10:52 PM

I am suprised that no one noticed the time line. When Eko and Locke leave the hatch to "find" Henry Gale, it is in night time, however it is daytime when all hell breaks loose and Ana and Libby are shot and Hurley asks Kate on the beach during the day if she has seen Libby. Or am I just confused?

#196. Posted by: nancy at May 12, 2006 11:03 PM

Wow...finished reading all the comments. My heading is spinning. I don't have TiVo and I don't tape ( I know...shame on me, but I am going to download the episode from ABC), but I musta definitely missed something. Who is Kelvin/Alex? Is this the same (CIA?) person that helped Sayeed with his torturing skills? I have a few theories:
1. I think Locke meant to send his map up the chute. It was kinda like saying "I'm on to you." Not a wise move, but just an idea.
2. Michael really looked shocked when he shot Libby. I'm thinking she was a "good" person and he wasn't suppose to shoot her and now he is in trouble.
3. Does anyone else think that the Dr. (DeGroot?) in the film looks like a plump version of the crazy friend of Hurley's...the one he got the numbers from?
4.I bought a TV guide this week because it had KAte and Sawyer on the front. I haven't bought a TV guide in 30 years. Anyway....Desmond is coming back (for an episode?...more?...dunno)and Libby has a part in his back story. They are going to explain why the plane went down. And in an interview with Terry O'Quinn, he says he's not sure if his character(Obi-wan...aka Locke) is going to survive the season....OH NO!!! Hopefully, This is TV guide hype.

#197. Posted by: Janie at May 12, 2006 11:03 PM

The log is a list of the time (relative to the beginning of the experiment(s)?) and wether or not "the numbers" were entered. Here is what I've mathematically concluded:

First, let's look at the last 6 numbers on the log:

41602081:05
41602082:53
41602084:41
41602086:29
41602088:17
41602090:05

I believe that the numbers before colon are hours and the numbers after the colon are minutes. So let's convert the above times to hours:

Take the number before the colon and add it to the number after the colon divided by 60 (to get minutes to hours):

41602081:05 => 41602081 + 05/60 = 41602081.083
41602082:53 => 41602082.883
41602084:41 => 41602084.683
41602086:29 => 41602086.483
41602088:17 => 41602088.283
41602090:05 => 41602090.083

The time between any 2 consecutive numbers is 1.8 hours or, converted to minutes, (1x60)+(0.8x60) = 60+48 = 108 minutes!!!

Finally, let's convert the last number on the log to years and see what happens:

41602090.083 hours x (1 day/24 hours) x (1 year/365 days)
= 41602090.083 x (1/24) x (1/365)
= 4749.097 years ???

Hmmm... this doesn't make sense, but perhaps someone can make heads or tails of this. I was hoping for a bigger bang.

Will re-post with new findings.

ITB

#198. Posted by: ITB at May 12, 2006 11:04 PM

Regarding my previous mega-long post, I think I'm realizing a shortcoming: I used the image from http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x21/printout.jpg and assumed it was the last page of the log.

#199. Posted by: ITB at May 12, 2006 11:15 PM

Did anyone notice that when Locke went into the new hatch he could walk around without any problems yet he was on crutches until just before he climbed down the ladder?

#200. Posted by: JJ at May 13, 2006 12:41 AM

thank you for adding the lastest new "rule" mac. :o)

#201. Posted by: Laura at May 13, 2006 2:37 AM

Wait what if everything on the T.V. in the Pearl/? Mark is recorded??????Then they'll see Michael kill Libby and Ana Lucia

#202. Posted by: Jonathan Fitzpatrick at May 13, 2006 8:55 AM

Spoiler

i looked on wikipedia and it sed guest charcters Kelvin inman, cud this be 'HG" or zeke

#203. Posted by: rosier at May 13, 2006 9:39 AM

Hey J. Fitzpatrick, now THERE'S a new and unique theory! Oh, hang on...I think I may have read that somewhere before...?

Are there only 2 or 3 people on this thread who read the posts that come before our own!!??

#204. Posted by: Jay at May 13, 2006 10:24 AM

About the NUMBERS ...

What if "4", "8", "15", "16", "23" and "42" stand for the episode numbers? Maybe _these_ episodes from Lost give away some major clues on which we should concentrate? Thus:

4 = "Walkabout"
8 = "Confidence Man"
15 = "Homecoming"
16 = "Outlaws"
23 = "Exodus, pt.I"
42 = "Dave"

Just a thought ...

#205. Posted by: DutchDude at May 13, 2006 2:21 PM

After reading through all the posts (whew! good stuff, thanks again mac and posters) most of my thoughts have been addressed. But, I found 2 cases where objects seem to appear out of place.

(1) The surveillance cameras appear to be up to date technology. I'm not an expert, but the camera above the TV screens is comparable in size to today's common surveillance cameras.

(2) I caught a view of what appeared to be a smooth top stove in the lostees hatch.

I could be wrong about these items not being available in the same time frame as reflected by the computer equipment and the TV sets. This also could be explained as an oversight by the program. But, there is also the possibility of retrofitting of broken/obsolete equipment by Dharma.

#206. Posted by: DW at May 13, 2006 3:29 PM

I rewatched the episode last night (yes, me=dork) and here's a few things I ran across:

* The closed captioning clearly says "Dr. Mark Wickmund." I'm going to assume that's his name until I see official notification otherwise.

* The camera Locke and Eko see in the Pearl Lounge appears to have been "unearthed." If you look closely, the wood surrounding the camera has been broken. I didn't notice this the first time around, but it suggests the camera wasn't always in plain view.

-- Mac

#207. Posted by: mac at May 13, 2006 3:55 PM

do u think the pearl and the question mark are the same? im not sure

#208. Posted by: Evan at May 13, 2006 4:15 PM

i'm inclined to think that the ? and pearl are one in the same, but i don't think that the station its self is the center of everything. where ever that damned tube leads will be the center.
and mac there is a picture of you on that buddy thingy! my whole day is now made LOL and you think you're the dork!

#209. Posted by: Laura at May 13, 2006 5:03 PM

Picture of mac?? where? I am curious too.
me= dorkette, I watched the episode again as well. I also started watching season one again to see if I could pick up on anything. This show is killing me!

#210. Posted by: meg at May 13, 2006 5:12 PM

Okay, I saw the picture. I think mac might be Jack!!! lol

#211. Posted by: meg at May 13, 2006 5:17 PM

Anyone else think that the Hanso Foundation logo is reminiscent of the symbol for the "flame" station on the blast door that pinned Locke? Check it out:

Blast Door
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMapOverlay.jpg

#212. Posted by: ITB at May 13, 2006 6:36 PM

So many comments... for one, i'm not too sure Henry Gale went back to the others. He did say that they(others) would kill him.
And maybe Ecko's brother isn't dead. Could just be another one connected to why the plane was brought down w/ Ecko in it. It just seems to me that all the characters on the show got on the plane because of someone else.

And I too believe that Libby is not dead. They cant just show her in the nut house a couple wks ago and kill her off. Ecspecially when she dies the same episode that deals w/ some one dying and coming back to life
So much more to say but i know u all have a lot more to read

#213. Posted by: middies at May 13, 2006 7:37 PM

-- Posted by: hellomoto at May 12, 2006 06:39 PM

"here is a ? How did the map get drawn. It was said earlier that when Kelvin was in the hatch with desmond that since they took turns pushing the button every 8 hours they had time to explore the island and thats how the map got drawn. Um, hello...the hatches were on all ends of the island. Remember when they went to find Fake HG baloon...they said it was at least one days trip. So...where could you go in 4 hours. Half the time to get there and half to get back........."

Answer -- maybe one day Desmond said to Kelvin, "Hey Kelvin, you know, we've been here on this Island for a while now, here in this hatch. I wonder what's outside, don't you? Maybe today, I'll push the button every time it needs to be pushed, and you go out and explore for a little. If we take turns doing that, for just a couple of days, we might get an idea of just where we are, and maybe find a way off this island..."

I personally don't think either of them drew the map in the hatch. It was drawn by whoever was in the hatch before them -- they just never knew about it.

Oh, and I agree with what someone else said -- there must only be a handful of people on here that actually READ what has already been written before posting a comment. Don't start your post with "I don't know if it's been mentioned before..." if you haven't read the posts to find out if it's been mentioned before.

As for Claire's psychic, I think he WAS a fraud, until he met Claire that is. If I remember correctly, he went to give her a reading, which would have been just made up. But upon touching her hands, he shivered, got a strange vibe, and decided not to give her a reading, and gave her money back. Why would a fraud do this? Because he got a real vision that scared the crap out of him, not only because of what he saw, but because he also realized what he could do.

Someone also wrote that Clancy Brown is playing Kelvin in the finale -- does anyone remember, in the episode with Sayid being taught to torture, did they ever mention his character's name, or was it on his fatigues or anything? If it is him, then Kelvin AND Kate's Dad both know Sayid. And if it was Clancy Brown giving Michael that injection in the preview, than it would appear that Kelvin isn't dead after all. Should be interesting to see what happens if Sayid catches up with him on the Island...

#214. Posted by: Stocky at May 13, 2006 7:49 PM

here you go folks, http://www.buddytv.com/TVjHome.aspx?TVJId=91
sorry i didn't post it before, tottaly didn't think about it. tee hee

#215. Posted by: Laura at May 13, 2006 8:02 PM

Here's a great decoded version of the blast door.

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg

#216. Posted by: Joss at May 13, 2006 9:20 PM

Desmond said Kelvin died.

If so, flashbacks would be the only possibility for the Currigan.

I think STOCKY may be the only one who remembers that.


"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#217. Posted by: thinng at May 13, 2006 11:25 PM

Was it a quesiton mark...or a circle eko saw in the grass?

#218. Posted by: Evan at May 14, 2006 12:10 AM

I definitely think Libby is dead. She is not resting. She is not stunned. She is not tired, shagged out, or pining for the fjords. She is deceased, no more, ceased to be, expired AND gone to meet her maker. She's a stiff. Bereft of life. She rests in peace. She has joined the choir invisible.

#219. Posted by: El at May 14, 2006 12:10 AM

I think it looked more like a circle than a questions mark. Which would make sense seeing as it's called the 'Pearl'. I think it only looked like a question mark on the map to indicate the unknown.

#220. Posted by: Joss at May 14, 2006 12:29 AM

When the Losties find out that Michale wasted AL and Libby, they're gonna freak. I think they're gonna find out by...

1) Libby or Ana tells Eko in a dream.
2) They rewind the tape.
3) Michael snaps under the guilt
4) They find HG in the jungle, and he tells them.
5) Sayid tortures Michael cuz Sayid's been under that situation before.

Also, I can't wait to see how much Walt has grown. Zeke looked alot like Moses in the previews, for next week with his 'beard' flying everywhere. But what if we really ARE experiments commenting on the episodes of Lost. THAT WOULD FU--ED UP!

#221. Posted by: murphdog at May 14, 2006 12:50 AM

OK El...That sounded kind of uhhhh...goth? I mean "She died" would've done but all that sad goth stuff was kind of unnecessary.

#222. Posted by: murphdogg at May 14, 2006 12:53 AM

murph dog (my dog's name is murphy oddly enough), you don't know your monty python! she is an ex parrot indeed! hehehehehee

#223. Posted by: Laura at May 14, 2006 1:11 AM

That's not Goth. That's Python!

Well done El! For some strange reason I could actually see Libby pining for the fjords ;)

#224. Posted by: mac at May 14, 2006 1:13 AM

Laura you beat me to it! You still got your T@p moxie ;)

#225. Posted by: mac at May 14, 2006 1:15 AM

Monty Python.... ?

"two days ago I saw a vehicle that'd haul that tanker"


"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#226. Posted by: thinng at May 14, 2006 1:39 AM

Regarding the psychic. I think he is indeed genuine. Think back to the Oracle in the Matrix. She outright lied to Neo to get him to do what needed to be done. What would have stopped the Lost psychic from doing the same to Eko to get him on the plane.

Also, the alternative, giving (I'm calling the psychic Baldy until someone tells me a better name) Baldy's involvement with 2 Losties now, is that he is somehow involved with a vast unseen conspiracy.
This consiracy would need to involve, at the minimum, Claire's friend that dragged her to Baldy to begin with, Baldy, Baldy's wife to make the false miracle claim, Baldy's daughter to play along and deliver the message to Eko at the airport, someone who knew both Eko and Yumi, including their history, relationship, and that Yumi was dead. Don't forget the adoptive couple and their lawyer.
This assumes that someone in this conspiracy had access to Claire's medical records, (seeing that her baby was what they wanted) and that they also had both her and Eko under close surveillance for an extended time.

Simply put, I think the psychic is genuine because the conspiracy is already far too convoluted to believe.

#227. Posted by: Thorr at May 14, 2006 2:32 AM

i bet kelvins zeke oh by the way thorr its 'Yemi'(strong desire 2 use caps)not yumi

#228. Posted by: Rosier at May 14, 2006 8:35 AM

I'm thinking the "Pearl" is also part of the "experiment." The people sent to "monitor" are being told they are watching a "phychological" experiment when perhaps is it not really of "phychological" nature.

Perhaps this is why Eko believes it's important to keep pushing the button....because there IS purpose behind it.

#229. Posted by: Rich at May 14, 2006 10:47 AM

Thanks Mac for yet another great recap (nice pic too!). I so look forward to Thursday lunchtime! I have to read all the posts on Thursday night though - this place is getting so popular. Great ideas by all!

Back to the printout from the Pearl-- if you assume the first three numbers identify something (the hatch??) then the remaining numbers translate to a count down that has be going on for 68 days. Lostpedia's timeline indicates that Libby died on day 68 so it appears the record started on the day they crashed.

I am embarressed to admit I have watched the episode 3 times and noticed:

1. Eko states that they drew a circle so you could see it from the air (not exact words). I assume this implies the Pearl is not "?" The hatch map also shows what appears to be mountainous terrain in the area of #4 - the Pearl not "?".

2. When the orientation tape cuts to Wickman/Candle standing by the recliners there appears to be smoke (?) wafting from the arm of the chair on the left side of the screen.

3. Eko tells John they are being tested and John told Boone last year they were being tested...Interesting. I hope Locke's coming to grips with his life's purpose doesn't foreshadow his demise!

4. Why would the folks journaling need the magnifiers? Could they be examining something as well as logging observations? Or are the observers just middle-aged (ha ha)? Maybe the magnifiers were added later?

5. If the ground is salty then someone continues to salt it. And a plane needs a strip to land.... Maybe it just marks the entrance so it is easier to find later, and that would imply the lack of another way in - also confirmed by the hatch door map. (The entrance opened fairly easily.)

I agree that the Pearl appears to have been trashed, although the plane crash would have caused dust/damage I think. The ceiling has been mentioned but it appears they had to bring in a monitor from the Swan and one of the magnifiers has been removed from a chair.

With all the dust, someone must be maintaining the computer equipment, electrical, bulbs, etc. Dot matrix printer and keyboard would surely be in trouble otherwise.

Don't you just wish our heroes would all talk to each other and share their collective knowledge??

Looking forward to next week's show and Blog and wondering how we will get through the summer!


#230. Posted by: Lesley at May 14, 2006 11:22 AM

Reality Check, anyone? The new discovery of the "?" hatch explains more of the fabric of Lost. Locke claims they were never intended to push the button but Echo concludes that they all felt it was still their duty. Lost's directors have hinted that the show is a personal quest for the meaning of life and that there is no simple answer as there are no simple answers in life. I see some hints at the correlation between our lives and the the Crash Survivors lives. That's why so many of us feel a connection. Majority of us get into the mode of doing what we think we are supposed be doing in life. These crash survivors have each been uprooted from their ordinary lives and left to question their being by analyzing their old lives and finding the intended path of their new lives. We are all in a since 'lost' in the monotony of our busy lives. Look at our Country, for instance. We are neck deep in a war that was similarly sparked by tragic deaths.(Michael’s cover story about Anna and Libby's deaths.) I hope your following. September 11th and the Henry Gale "supposed" shooting. September 11th sparked fear and revenge in our nation. And, I'll be the first to admit, I was scared, angry, and I wanted revenge. But how much do we really know about this supposed enemy or enemies? We are as detached and lost in this strategically planned war as the Crash Survivors are from the "Others". What the Crash Survivors and US citizens don't know is the whole story or the truth. And we, as well as the Crash survivors, may never find that truth. Does Jack have the right to initiate an attack on the others based on his knowledge of events? Are we seeing what we our selves are guilty of doing? Jumping too quickly to pull the trigger. I want to reach out and tell them the truth! It was frustrating to hear Libby's last words and for them to still not get it. Are we finally getting it? It's strange that Dharma is also secretly watching, by video recording, everyone involved in the project. Is this the Big Brother? Funny how we just found out that our own telephone calls are and have been recorded by our own Government!! It hurts to know that, as you could see in Locke's face and reaction to the newly found surveillance, that you've been suckered. Does anyone else see this? I hope I'm not alone.

#231. Posted by: Laura Graham at May 14, 2006 12:03 PM

regarding the print out, i wonder if you could go back to when faux HG said he didn't push the button and find out what it says.

#232. Posted by: Laura at May 14, 2006 1:20 PM

its Wickman, Mar Wickman not Wickmund

#233. Posted by: Rosier at May 14, 2006 2:42 PM

To add to my recent comment above. I too see the similarities between Lost & Myst. But only in the way the mysteries/puzzles are created and solved. As for the theory as to what the h*ll is goin on, It would be real dull if the Losties were just sucked into a book... But the show does reference a lot of books, hmmmmmm.....

#234. Posted by: Middies at May 14, 2006 2:58 PM

Thanks goodness somebody got the Monty Python. Now if they would just add a character called Arthur Pewty.........

#235. Posted by: El at May 14, 2006 4:05 PM

Laura Graham, how right you are! At least this show lets us escape from the scary times in which we currently live.

#236. Posted by: Lesley at May 14, 2006 4:50 PM

Why did Micheal shoot Ana and Libby!?!?
Does any1 else think the others captured and then convinced him to kill them and take their side?

(next episode is him rallying them up for an attack, or a TRAP!)

Why do the others hate the survivors? Cuz their "BAD" people?

Will the fanile be, him double crossing the others to get his son back?!!

#237. Posted by: Chris at May 14, 2006 7:59 PM

Hmmmm I dunno Chris, why might Michael do that?
Oh here's a thought. Maybe they are in Purgatory.

#238. Posted by: El at May 15, 2006 12:21 AM

Mac- When you said that the area around the video camera was broken away, you are absoulutely right!Were you thinking it was broken away by the original "watchers?" Maybe they didn't know they were being watched and thought they were part of an "experiment" too and decided to run off and start a new group called "the others" !!! I forgot what that theory is called...it is way to early!!!!

Also-Does it kinda look like Faux Henry Gale in that Hanso commercial??? When it shows the business man in the office building window. Thin, pale white guy with reddish hair? Did FHG have reddish hair??? Just reminded me of him

#239. Posted by: MattR at May 15, 2006 5:26 AM

Libster has definitely croaked, as confirmed by the producers. But they have also confirmed that she'll show up a couple times next season in flashbacks. It'd be cool if AL did the same.

I think if the plane hadn't been there it would be much more obvious to us all that what Eko saw when standing on the cliff was indeed a big question mark. It wasn't a coincidence that the middle of the map was marked with a '?'. It wasn't saying that the artist didn't know what it was, it was saying- 'Hey, this station is under a big question mark in the grass!'

I think it would be interesting if Hurley went postal on Michael after he finds out Michael really shot Libby. There's not going to be much more for Hurley to do now anyway! Maybe they can hook him up with Claire so they can both get more screen time again...

#240. Posted by: JoePike at May 15, 2006 9:36 AM

I found it interesting that the only time during the episode that Locke was at least, somewhat enthused was after helping Eko uncover the Pearl hatch...then asking to 'do the honors'...why?...because he didn't have to get more dynamite!!!

#241. Posted by: DonnaD at May 15, 2006 1:14 PM

OK, I've been missing for a few days, but I'm back. (I'm so frikkin addicted, it's sick!)

Christina....you mentioned that you saw Charlotte referred to as a 16th Century Australian and you thought it was a typo. I'm not so sure. Isn't one of the theories that the losties are trapped in a rift in the time continuum? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that on oceanic's website, one of the baggage check tickets showed up with a date of 2039 or something like that.

Finally....did we ever consider they might be in purgatory? :)

#242. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 15, 2006 1:28 PM

I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought that Locke and Ecko were completely stupid for not rewinding the tape. That was my first thought when they walked in and saw the tv's. The only thing that really bothers me about this show is that no one will just say what they need to say. Locke should have said, "hey I dreamt you fell off the exact cliff you are about to climb",instead of screaming his name over and over again as he climbed and Kate not telling everyone about the costumes...JUST TELL EVERYONE ALREADY.

#243. Posted by: Stacey at May 15, 2006 1:36 PM

I was wracking my brain trying to find out why this guy looked familiar.

The man in the church that gave mr. Eko the fake passport is the same man

That is listed on the hanso website as hugh mcintyre as one of the board of directors.

[edit: Mat, because I'm such a nice guy I changed the case of your post. Please avoid posting in all caps in the future -- Mac].

#244. Posted by: MAT at May 15, 2006 1:44 PM

In response to Laura Graham's comment, "Funny how we just found out that our own telephone calls are and have been recorded by our own Government!! "

Laura,
The government wasn't taping our calls. They just looked at phone records to see WHO we called.

Not that I'm defending them or anything. Just wanted to be clear.

#245. Posted by: Amanda at May 15, 2006 3:45 PM

MAT-

The guy that got eko's passport does look like hugh mcintyre, but I don't think it is the same person. They guy that got the passport is much older and has different facial features. The hair is similar though.

#246. Posted by: MattR at May 15, 2006 4:04 PM

Hey Mac, just wanted to say thanks once again for the great recap....loved the Dharma porn line!!

nice theories everyone...keep up the good work and lets hope next season we get to see sayid kick some michael ass...i have never liked his character especially the way he would just sit there and yell out Walt!!!

i am going to hate summer without Lost!!

#247. Posted by: katePlusSun=Fun at May 15, 2006 4:38 PM

Did it occur to anyone that Candle and Wickman might be twins? That would explain the prosthetic arm vs. normal arm. You know, good twin, evil twin. BTW, I can't take credit for that theory as it was mentioned to me by one my co-workers (just wanted to throw that out there so he doesn't get pissed at me for stealing his theory when he reads this).

#248. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 15, 2006 5:01 PM

Hey, Mr. Pants.
I'm not a Republican. And I'm not a fool.

thanks.

#249. Posted by: Amanda at May 15, 2006 5:07 PM

bottom line, 1-no reason for locke or ecko to not believe michael, 2-no tape to rewind anyway!

#250. Posted by: Laura at May 16, 2006 1:15 AM

Can anyone confirm there is another series

#251. Posted by: Steve at May 16, 2006 11:51 AM

the creators have said that they will introduce new characters in season 3-

Can anyone confirm there is another series
-- Posted by: Steve at May 16, 2006 11:51 AM

#252. Posted by: rosier at May 16, 2006 1:13 PM

I recently heard that they had this all mapped out for the next 4-5 years.

I saw Walt in the scenes yesterday. he has grown, but not too much that he isn't recognizeable (why isn't there a spell check on here!)...:)

Until tomorrow night...I look forward to my Thursday ritual lunchbreak as well.

#253. Posted by: Meg at May 16, 2006 1:32 PM

I wonder if Charlotte's father fronts for Charlotte? Maybe she is the real psychic.

#254. Posted by: intrepid at May 16, 2006 2:35 PM

Unless the new hatch has TiVo, you can't "rewind" to see what happened. Even if there was a vcr tape recording of what was being monitored on the screen it would have to be either changed or rewound every 6 hours and Oh Man, would that have implications...and I don't think someone is climbing down into that hatch or being teleported to that hatch every 6 hours to change tapes to see what is also probably monitored on another screen somewhere else.

#255. Posted by: intrepid at May 16, 2006 2:47 PM

could be that one of the other hatches on the island has the tapes of everything being recorded in the pearl AND the swan. could be another dharma initiative experiment having people constantly change tapes and time stamping them or something...oh all the people on this island sure are poor bastards.

also, i have an opinion about the psychic...you know how crazy people get about religious sightings? like how people line up around the block and pay $5 each to see the likeness of the virgin mary in a potato grown in idaho? well if this guy's daughter really was part of a miracle i'm sure he wouldnt want it to get out and start having pilgrimages to his house just to see her. his career as a bogus psychic would be impossible to keep going. thats why he told Eko that it wasnt a miracle.

so does anyone else think that tomoro night after sayid warns the losties not to go with michael that he'll secretly follow them thru the jungle and come to their rescue?

#256. Posted by: marls at May 16, 2006 3:20 PM

Unless you're making/receiving regular calls to/from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or some other terrorist state, the federal government could give a rat's ass about your phone calls.

#257. Posted by: maxlife at May 16, 2006 4:38 PM

Let's just keep politics off this great site. Thanks

#258. Posted by: maxlife at May 16, 2006 4:41 PM

Some of you are missing the point. It's the fact that the Losties and US citizens have coincidentally been recorded (whether that be by just call to call or eaves dropping) without the knowledge of it.

#259. Posted by: Laura Graham at May 16, 2006 5:02 PM

oh my gosh...guz seriously keep off the topics other than lost...no politics. Go type on a different site

#260. Posted by: 4815162342 at May 16, 2006 5:58 PM

...ya or you'll end up in purgatory perhaps...

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

"smile you son of a ...

#261. Posted by: thinng at May 17, 2006 2:49 AM

Wow...purgatory! Did it ever occur to anyone that they might be in purgatory???? : )

#262. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 17, 2006 10:57 AM

Guys, I've been doing a lot of thinking about this, and I'm now 100% convinced I've figured it all out:

The castaways are in a government-run purgatory

;)

-- Mac

#263. Posted by: mac at May 17, 2006 11:01 AM

I love you guys!!!

"The castaways are in a government-run purgatory"
Best theory yet!

#264. Posted by: vikster at May 17, 2006 11:17 AM

Ok, so, what if the Island is actuall Purgatory? Has anyone mentioned this already? I can't wait until they review the tapes! Then they'll see who the shooter really is! (I can't believe no one else has mentioned this yet!)

#265. Posted by: Jes at May 17, 2006 11:40 AM

THE TAPES!!!! No freakin way...we all missed that Michael's murders will have been caught on tape. How come no one ever mentioned this before? We all must have been asleep at the wheel!

#266. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 17, 2006 12:07 PM

Hi Mac, first post here, but long-time (and amused) reader.
Great job, man, keep it up!
I can't wait to see the season 2 finale!
I've read some spoilers (i'm an ignobile guy, i know), nevertheless i wonder how'll end the "Walt Issue". I truly believe in a desperate Michael, trying to save Walt's life rather than a lame brainwash theory. But where the scary backward-speaking children had been kept during the whole season 2?
Why he did't call some of his pet-friends in aide? (a T-Rex or a Mammuth would come in handy). He's fine? He's adored as a beast-God by the Others?
And finally: how can i apply for a job at Hanso's? ;-))
Greetings from Milan!!
And sorry for my poor english....:(

Alex

#267. Posted by: not_THAT_Alex at May 17, 2006 12:32 PM

formerly known as Rosier-
pronounced- ro-ZI-er

when Henry sed that Zeke was "nothing no one!" that might mean that Henry knew of Zeke because he woz on a rival organization, so there are clearly two sets of others on the evidence-

Zeke and Ethan converse in flashback (Zeke and Rom are linked)

Gale comments that Goodwin was not gonna kill Ana Lucia (Gale and Goodwin r linked)

Gale says about Zeke "he is nothing! No one!" this may be thought has Gale laughing off the suggestion that Zeke was the leader of the team (which incidently is excactly wot the producers wanted) but actually insulting the opposition.

leading to my theory that there are two sets of others

#268. Posted by: Mr X at May 17, 2006 2:25 PM

I know this wasn't on this episode but I had a revelation. The cloning or experiments to improve life have been considered. Remember when Sun got knocked out and now she is mysteriously pregnant. Her doctor already told her it was impossible for her to conceive. In cloning, a host is used to hold the cloned embryo. Could Sun be the host? We'll see when the baby arrives next season if they baby looks just like Erin (freaky)! Also, Claire was injected or cells could have been extracted when she was held hostage. Remember, when he used a syringe on her pregnant belly? It made me cringe. Maybe her cells were inserted in Sun. On one of their websites (I can't remember if it was Hanso or The Fuselage) they have an interactive segment on cloning. Anyone else see this connection?

#269. Posted by: Laura Graham at May 17, 2006 3:48 PM

Laura,
I don't think Sun is pregnant with Aaron's clone, seeing as how Sun was "kidnapped" by Charlie, and not one of the "others."

Sorry.

#270. Posted by: Amanda at May 17, 2006 5:44 PM

it was jin not sun who was the problem anyway.

#271. Posted by: Laura at May 18, 2006 1:34 AM

...frustrating isn't it.

your Lost details need to be dead on here or ...

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

...and we'll be feeding you to the Dharma sharks !

#272. Posted by: thinng at May 18, 2006 3:30 AM

Amanda and Laura,

You are totally right! I forgot it was really Charlie that knocked out Sun. Jin still doesn't know that he was the one that had the problem. Sun must of had an affair with her tutor then? Did we see the entire seen from begining to end when Charlie had Sun? I can't remember. They often leave out some scenes to bring out in later episodes. If he was compromised due to Erin being kidnapped maybe he was asked by the Others to bring Sun to them. That is still possible. Just as Michael was asked to make a trade for Walt. We didn't find that out until last night. Still I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to clone Erin.

#273. Posted by: Laura Graham at May 18, 2006 8:57 AM

"The castaways are in a government-run purgatory"
LOL, that is great!
Socompletelylost: I never thought of that either! That can't be it, though, because they're all actually dead, remember?:) And, rewinding the tapes--what a great idea!!

Wait a minute...you ever notice those same numbers keep appearing everywhere? I wonder if maybe they mean something!?!?!

#274. Posted by: Trinity at May 18, 2006 10:54 AM

Trinity, what numbers? I don't know what you are referring to....

#275. Posted by: socompletelylost at May 18, 2006 11:03 AM

Ha ha,
this is getting a little out of hand...


"smile you son of a ..."

#276. Posted by: thinng at May 18, 2006 5:13 PM

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sagasgき、
女性のセックス相手になって頂けますでしょうか
dsgsdggsdg?

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#279. Posted by: yhgig777 at March 19, 2007 8:58 PM

2-21 - ?

The dead reappear.
Dreams? Prophecy? Locke, Eko,
Explore new questions.

#280. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 11, 2008 12:22 PM