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Key Points from "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead"

Season 3, Episode 10
Episode Air Date: 02/21/07

Point 1



Back in the heyday of "The X-Files" (i.e. the "non-Doggett years"), the writing team had an impressive ability to shift tone while still advancing the storyline (the Lone Gunmen episodes were particularly good at this). "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" is in the same vein. Technically, it's a "funny" episode, but take a closer look and you'll see that the mythology took a number of steps forward. Tackling an episode like this is a tightrope act that can go horribly awry if not handled with care. Thankfully, the "Lost" crew rose to the occasion and reminded me how fun this show can be when it lets the story breathe a little.

So let's get recappin'.

Hurley stages a welcome return to the spotlight this week, and, as you'd expect, his angst and paranoia about those damned numbers continues to play an important role. As the episode opens, the curse of the numbers still hangs like a rotting albatross from Hurley's neck. He's also reeling from Libby's death (which in "Lost" time occurred less than a month ago). In an early quiet moment, Hurley stands over Libby's grave and reflects on his rotten luck. What he doesn't realize is that transformative changes are afoot.

Hurley's metamorphosis begins with the unexpected appearance of Vincent. Hurley and Charlie see the lab bound out of the jungle, which by itself is a bit of a miracle since Vincent really should be bear poop by now. But Vincent has a second surprise: a decomposed forearm is clenched in his mouth and a rabbit-foot keychain is dangling from one of the arm's exsanguinated fingers.

Charlie has no interested in prying a rotted appendage from Vincent's mouth, but something about the rabbit foot keychain compels Hurley to follow Vincent back into the jungle (because Vincent, as we all know, never, ever comes when called).

Vincent leads Hurley into a previously unexplored thicket of jungle, and this is when Hurley experiences a life-changing encounter with ... a rusted out VW bus.

The blue bus is tipped on its side and overgrown with vines. It's been in its present location since Reagan's first term, but Hurley dreamily looks past the dented doors and the rotting corpse in the driver's seat. (The vehicle's sole passenger is a long-dead Dharma drone named Roger. We know his name and profession because "Roger" and "Work Man" are both stitched into the corpse's jump suit.) Despite external experiences, this cockeyed bus is Hurley's harbinger of hope.

Superfluous Sidenote: At this point in the episode I felt my eyes uncontrollably roll at the prospect of Hurley discovering redemption in a "Little Miss Sunshine" prop. But what I found interesting -- and impressive -- is that the episode later managed to pierce my battle-tested cynicism and win me over in its second half. Was I the only one who experienced this? Has parenthood made me soft?

Moving on ...

Inspired by his discovery, Hurley returns to the beach and pleads with fellow castaways to help him bring the bus back to life. Hurley's request is shunned by Nikki/Paulo (achieving a new standard in uselessness) and scoffed at by Charlie. The only castaway who shows any interest is Jin, whom Hurley ultimately enlists because Jin has absolutely no idea what Hurley is proposing.

Back in the jungle, Hurley and Jin use wild hand gestures and nibbles of English to formulate their bus renewal plan. They decide to extricate Roger's husk from the van before they tinker with the engine, but their exhumation is a bit rough and Roger's head pops off in the process. Sorry about that, Rog.

Moments later, Sawyer appears. He and Kate have recently returned to camp (oddly, it wasn't much of a homecoming) and Sawyer has discovered that Charlie and Hurley raided his stash of booze and porn. He arrives at Hurley's Body Shop to put a beat-down on the proprietor, but Sawyer's anger is immediately tempered by the massive man-hug Hurley wraps him in. It's a fitting greeting since this is the first time Hurley and Sawyer have seen each other since the Others bagged and gagged Sawyer, Kate and Jack at the end of season two ("Live Together, Die Alone").

Sawyer initially shows zero interest in Hurley and Jin's bus project, but he pulls a 180 when Hurley points toward the two cases of skunky old Dharma beer strewn throughout the van's cab (I'm 99 percent sure it's Milwaukee's Best). With their combined strength and know-how, the trio successfully tips the van back onto its wheels. There is much rejoicing.

At this point, Hurley's exuberance gets the best of him and he assumes the van will miraculously start without any tinkering. But it doesn't work out that way. He turns the key and nothing happens ... not even a sputter. Dejected, Hurley retreats to a nearby tree stump to pray to St. Mineke.

As Hurley calls upon the Great Dealership in the Sky, Sawyer cracks can after can of Dharma Beer. In-between swigs, he stages an impromptu ESL class with Jin.

You see, Jin is slowly learning English and his dialogue is now peppered with bits and pieces of English phrases ("No," "Yes," "You can't prove it's mine!"). Sawyer, being such a magnanimous guy, provides Jin with the three most important phrases in the the English language (as voted on by Sawyer):

  1. I'm sorry.
  2. You were right.
  3. Those pants don't make you look fat.
Clearly, a Nobel prize lies in Sawyer's future.

Sawyer later notices that Hurley is still sitting alone on his tree stump and so Sawyer tries to cheer him up by lobbing a warm can of beer in his direction. But the can arcs high over Hurley's head and tumbles into the jungle. Hurley turns and watches as the can rolls ... and rolls ... and rolls. Intrigued, Hurley parts the foliage and sees that they're situated near the ledge of a steep grassy hill.

Holy Fahrvergnuegen!

Newly -- and oddly -- inspired by his hill discovery, Hurley runs back to the beach to coerce Charlie into the van project. Charlie is mired in a deep funk -- Desmond's warning about his impending death is a real downer -- and he's decided to spend his days camped on the beach, looking mournfully at the horizon. But Hurley will have none of it. He slaps Charlie across the face "Moonstruck"-style and tells Charlie it's time to turn that precogged frown upside down. The slap works. Charlie accompanies Hurley back to the van site.

The hill has given Hurley a new van plan. Standing on the ledge of this massive hill (it's a borderline mountain), he believes that if he and the boys can shove the van down the hill, he'll be able to gain enough speed to pop the clutch and spark the engine to life.

It's pure insanity, and Sawyer tells him as much (even if he starts the van, where's he going to drive it?). But to Hurley, the van's resurrection is tied to his own hope, and if he can bring this beaten and battered and cursed vehicle back to life, then dammit, he too can get busy living.

Or something like that. Basically, Hurley is pinning everything on this nasty old van, and he's willing to risk his life to drive it. Charlie is also revitalized. To hell with wacky Scots and their eerily accurate predictions! Charlie calls shotgun for Hurley's death ride.

So Charlie and Hurley hop in and Jin and Sawyer shove the jalopy down the hill. It crests the ledge and kicks up dirt ... faster and faster it goes ... SWOOOOOSH!

As they bound down the hill, Hurley and Charlie watch as a distant pile of very small rocks becomes a much closer collection of very big boulders.

Hurley closes his eyes ... there is no curse ... there is no curse ... nanananananana ...

Charlie digs his fingers into the dashboard. Oh sweet jesus those are big boulders!

Hurley pops the clutch ...


The engine barks to life! Three Dog Night's "Shambala" blares from the 8-track wedged into the van's dashboard. Hurley spins the wheel and dodges boulders with NASCAResque skill.

Jin and Sawyer look on incredulously from the top of the hill. They watch as Hurley digs donuts into the lush green ground. Charlie and Hurley's celebratory shrieks echo through the valley.

Jin and Sawyer sprint down the hill (with Vincent at their heels -- where'd he come from?). They spill into the van and together, the foursome drives recklessly across Ben's manicured lawn.

Later, at Eric Forman's place, the buds bond with a nickel bag of choice weed.

Well, not exactly. Sawyer, Jin and Charlie head back to camp while Hurley continues to trailblaze a track for the Dharma International Speedway. Jin reunites with Sun and the two share a moment. Charlie reunites with Claire and another moment is had. Sawyer reunites with ... no one. Kate isn't around and Ana-Lucia is still dead. Sawyer sits outside his tent and drowns his sorrows in a can of Dharma's Best.

Point 2
Hurley When the title of this episode first surfaced a few months ago, I thought it might focus on one of the people who died on the deck Hurley believes he brought crashing down.

Shows you what I know.

Turns out, Tricia Tanaka is -- well, was -- a TV news reporter in Hurley's hometown. And just as the title suggests, she bites it. She's really quite irrelevant as far as this episode goes, but her name is funny in a sing-songy way: Triiiiicia Taaanaaaaaakaaaaaa!

Anyway, this episode's backstory reveals three significant things about Hurley:

  • We now know how/why Hurley gained so much weight.
  • We see why the VW bus becomes so important to Hurley.
  • We discover the catalyst for Hurley's ill-fated trip to Australia.

And it reveals one significant think about Hurley's mother:

  • She's a very passionate woman -- (Hurley wears massive headphones to drown out her orgasmic love yelps.)

Let's address Hurley's three key revelations:

No. 1: The Weight

We discover that Hurley was once a skinny little boy, but he ballooned when his father (played by Cheech Marin) abandoned his family. Food becomes the salve that soothes Hurley's deep daddy pain.

No. 2: The VW Bus

Hurley's attachment to the blue Dharma bus goes beyond a passing interest in German-engineered vans. Back in the day, his dad used to dispense sage advice while the duo fixed up a busted old Camaro. During once such moment, Cheech tells little Hurley that he needs to "make his own luck."

When Hurley discovers the bus, his subconscious goes into overdrive making connections: the bus is his father, the bus is his relationship with his father, the bus is his luck, the bus is his salvation, etc., etc., etc.

No. 3: The Australia Trip

Tricia Tanaka's death has two levels of importance: aesthetically, it's hilarious (a wayward meteor plummets into a Mr. Cluck's restaurant while Tricia and her camera man inside); storytelling-wise, Tricia's demise is the accelerant for Hurley's eventual trip to Australia.

Prior to Tricia's death, Hurley began cataloging all the bad things that happened around him since he won the lottery: his uncle died, his mom's new house burned down, his love interest ran off with his best friend, a guy committed suicide outside his accountant's office, his box company was destroyed, mutton chops went out of style, etc. The "curse" of the numbers grew with each subsequent tragedy, but Tricia Tanaka's galactic death is the thing that finally spurs Hurley to action. He simply cannot let a low-grade features reporter die in vain. So, ignoring the protestations of his mother and his father (who miraculously "appears" once Hurley wins the lottery), Hurley packs up and heads Down Under to track the source of those accursed numbers. (Hurley's Australia trip is chronicled in "Numbers").

So that's that on the backstory front.

Point 3


I started out this review complimenting the "Lost" crew on their agility with this episode's comedic shift. They deserve additional praise for shifting the tone back toward mystery/drama in the episode's closing moments. This sort of maneuver is often jarring, but the "Losties" made it work seamlessly.

The key to the in-episode shift lies in the episode's table setting. Early on, Kate and Sawyer return to the beach and are greeted semi-enthusiastically by the castaways. Sawyer, as we've discussed, turns his attention toward his ransacked stash. Kate, however, has far bigger fish to fry. These few opening moments with Kate make the closing scene fit into the overall episode.

Kate -- God bless her -- finally opens the lines of communication. She immediately unloads a cornucopia of details to Locke and Sayid, telling them about Jack's status, the Others' presumed home base, the zoological/prison location, and the Others' means of transportation (she correctly guesses that they have at least one boat). It's a refreshing exchange because it addresses one of the major flaws in this show: namely, the characters don't talk to each other (the most egregious example of this came mid-way through last season when Kate, Claire and Rousseau discovered the medical hatch, but didn't tell anyone about it until the end of the season).

Beyond spilling details, Kate's also on the warpath. She's pissed at Locke and Sayid for not organizing a rescue mission (more on that in a second) and, more importantly, she knows that Jack's rescue becomes more difficult with each passing minute. In Kate's estimation, there's only one person who can help her Go Get Jack.

Enter ... Crazy Danielle Rousseau!

In the closing moments of the episode, Kate travels alone into the jungle in search of Rousseau. She revisits the spot where she and Jack were snared in one of Rousseau's net traps, but a monkeywrench is thrown into her plan when Locke and Sayid emerge from the dark treeline. The characters share an exchange that finally -- finally -- casts some light on recent developments.

Locke and Sayid ask Kate why she scampered off by herself. Kate's explanation is quite reasonable: she doesn't think Locke and Sayid have the motivation or the knowledge necessary to save Jack.

But that's where you're wrong, Katie.

Locke grins as he approaches Kate. He tells her it wasn't a matter of not wanting to look. Rather, they didn't know where to look.

But they know now. In fact, they've got a compass baring.

Kate furrows her brow. How, exactly, did they get that?

Sayid picks up the thread (and barely avoids rolling his eyes). "Because of the way the sunlight hit Eko's stick when John was burying him," he says. (So that's what they were up to with all that "Lift up your eyes and look North" business ... hmm).

A smile begins to erupt across Locke's face, but it's interrupted by gunfire ... BLAM BLAM!

Bullets splinter bark from nearby trees. Locke and Sayid point their weapons, but Kate tells them to stand down because the gunfire is coming from the person she's looking for: Rousseau.

Rousseau emerges. She's still covered in 16 years worth of dirt and grime and, as always, she's got that maniacal, "I eat kittens for breakfast" look. Kate says she needs her help finding Jack. Rousseau asks why Kate thinks she'd be willing to offer that help.

And this is when someone finally -- finally -- makes the overt connection between Alex and Rousseau.

"The girl who helped me escape is about 16 years old," Kate says. "And her name is Alex."

Rousseau's mouth drops.

"I'm pretty sure she's your daughter," Kate reveals.

Thank GOD. This plot point has driven me batty ever since "Maternity Leave." We know Alex is Rousseau's daughter. The castaways know it. Yet no one ever bothered to tell Alex''s MOTHER.

Phew. I'm glad that's over with.

(Incidentally, how funny will it be if Alex isn't Rousseau's daughter?)

And with that, the episode ends.

Point 4
Island As usual, I'll close with a few questions and observations:
  • Favorite line of the episode (there were many to choose from):

    Sawyer: "I'll be damned. Ya'll found yourselves a hippy car!"

  • I'm not sure if this will prove to be important in future episodes, but during the Van Project, Sawyer discovers architectural plans for a Dharma road.
  • I'm not sure why Kate is seeking Rousseau's help. Rousseau has been marooned on the island for 16 years, yet she's consistently flabbergasted by Dharma discoveries (the hatch confounded her) and she appears to have no useful information about the Others. The castaways, meanwhile, have bungled and botched their way to actual revelations: they've found multiple hatches, they've discovered the quarantine was a ruse (or so we believe), they know the Others wear costumes, they know there's a second island and a boat, etc. Rousseau, meanwhile, hides in underground lairs and howls at full moons. I don't get it -- how is she going to help?
  • The music folks deserve props for this episode. "Shambala" perfectly captured the unexpected joy of the van scene, and the song's transition into an orchestral version worked wonderfully. In addition, the tonal shift in the closing moments was facilitated by the reintroduction of the "Lost Mystery Theme" (you'd know it if you heard it). The music is always important, but it really distinguished itself in this episode.
  • And finally ... a bit of introspection. I discovered that my enjoyment of a specific "Lost" episode increases exponentially when I am not exposed to ABC's overblown marketing. The marketing hacks had a hard time dreaming up false hooks for this episode ("a diesel-powered mystery is answered ..."), so they largely left it alone and kept it off the hype radar. Lo and behold, the underexposure allowed me to watch the show with unfettered eyes! From here on, I'm ignoring every "Lost"-related bit of propaganda that comes my way. It's poison ... evil, duplicitous poison concocted by wiry-haired mandroids who will meet fiery fates in a super-heated circle of Hell (I can do overblown, too).
  • That's all I've got!

    Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Enter 77" -- Locke, Sayid and Kate go on a Dharma fact-finding expedition. Back at camp, Sawyer competes in a ping-pong tournament (no joke). Airs Wednesday, Mar. 7, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Great as always Mac.

#1. Posted by: Gerard at March 1, 2007 11:23 AM

My Tivo broke Tuesday night and I'm an Account so this is not the time of year for Tivo to pick a fight. I did make it home right in time to see an episode of Lost that nothing happened till the last minute of the show.

Looks like Charlie gets to live for now, since Sawyer did not kill him for stealing his stuff.

Kate gave Sawyer an out and he did not take it so she is done with him and on to find her real man of choice. Kate is proving to be a little smarter with her attack/rescue plan right now. Forget about the beach losties use Alex and Russo to help you get Jack back. Hopefully Hurly will lend her his car. Syaid and Locke are totally going to go with her no matter what she said though.

I think the guy that was in the mental institution with Hurly was an ex dharma, he was made to push the button so many times he went mad so they got ride of him and gave him a lobotomy.

Gin is going to become a bigger character, with him learning English over a few beers and all. They will now be able to give him dialog.

I think next week is really the turning point of the season. Lets hope! They owe us that much.

#2. Posted by: Dakota at March 1, 2007 11:28 AM

I must say that after 3 years of agreeing with just about everything that Mac said, I am absolutely shocked to hear this favorable review. This episode was absolute garbage, IMHO. At the height of public dissatisfaction with LOST, ABC drops the biggest goose egg in the history of the show. Stunning. My office is abuzz this morning, just as the teaser predicted...but not in the way that ABC had hoped.

#3. Posted by: KG at March 1, 2007 11:32 AM

As always, pleasepleaseplease get a better picture of Hurley!!

#4. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 1, 2007 11:33 AM

KG -- As the episode played out I fully expected that the general consensus would be frustration and dislike. To me, it just worked on its own, but I certainly can see how folks would be put off by it.

Personally -- and this ONLY applies to me -- I want to continue to enjoy this show, and the only way to do that is just to let my frustration go. (It's not much fun to write about something that makes you a big ol' crank). So, again, this is just my perspective but I've decided to just go for the ride and see how it plays out.

But I really do understand why other folks wouldn't enjoy this one -- or this season, for that matter. -- mac

#5. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 11:39 AM

Yes Mac, parenthood has made you soft. Ya wuss.

Even though I felt this episode did not really advance the mythology of the show, I really liked it. It was fun.

Sawyer: Why would I help?
Hurley: Cuz there's beer.
Sawyer: Okay then.

And Sawyer's (to Jin) Three Things A Man Must Learn To Say To A Woman…outstanding. But you're going to get a lot of flak about "Noble" versus "Nobel".

I think the whole purpose of this ep was directed at the viewer, to have hope, hang in there, and not give up. I for one got their message and am willing to stick in there.

The Kate/Sawyer spat seemed forced, almost throwaway. And at last - the long-awaited return of Paolikki!

And destroying Hurley's chicken joint with an asteroid was absolutely friggin' priceless. He may need to come up with a list and start righting previous wrongs and be karma's bitch for a while...

#6. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 1, 2007 11:40 AM

It was a weak episode hands down.. middle of the season syndrome!

#7. Posted by: indian again at March 1, 2007 11:42 AM

@ransomjackson: Thanks for the Noble/Nobel thing. I used to work at a place called "Nobles" -- it seeped into my brain!

#8. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 11:43 AM

@PiecesofArzt: Feel better now? ;)

#9. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 11:52 AM


>Was I the only one who experienced this?
>Has parenthood made me soft?

Nah, and Nah.

#10. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 1, 2007 11:57 AM

LOL mac/arzt....that Hurley pic was pretty hideous!

I was envisioning a suicidal Filmfodder LOST community today, I'm surprised that the reaction has been so mild (so far). Maybe people are taking the mac route and letting go of their frustration. I tried...but can't. I don't really want to, either, but perhaps it's the best thing to do.

#11. Posted by: KG at March 1, 2007 11:59 AM

@KG: For me, it's a little different because I ultimately spend a LOT of time with this show. And if I'm going to do that, I better derive some enjoyment from it because, why would I spend my time writing about something I don't like?

But I think the criticism is warranted. I just can't summon the energy to go down that route anymore. -- mac

#12. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 12:02 PM

Mac, I made the same, immediate mental connection to the X-Files and the MOTW eps vs. the mythology eps. OTOH, I don't think it works quite as well in this series. X-Files was built as a MOTW show that stumbled into a mythology plotline. Lost is a mythology show with strong character drivers, but in which the character moments always (theoretically) have a relationship to the mythology. Lost feels like it's wandering afield when it puts so much emphasis on non-mythology matters as it did last night.

Hurley's resurrection of the VW Microbus essentially parallels the plot point/character development of his creation of a golf course. Except for promoting it from comic relief subplot to comic relief major story line, I don't see the difference that was worth the repetition.

You need another paragraph in your recap, Mac, so I'll propose a draft of it for you:

"The episode opens on Hurley, as we see him in close up, talking to someone. Actually, he's not talking so much as pour his heart out. Hurley is beyond unhappy, checked through despondent, and is wallowing in a sweaty mass of misery. We don't see who he's talking to, but after a while it dawns that, as this is really more monologue than dialogue, the other participant in the conversation might not be with us in more than spirit. Sure enough, the camera pulls back to reveal that Hurley is paying a visit to Libby's makeshift grave, and his Emmy-submission scene ends with his tearful declaration that he misses her terribly. We've never seen Hurley this down, before, not even when he was institutionalized."

You can't get a proper recap of Hurley's character arc in the episode without including a recap of that scene, IMO. It's got to be there. But I'd rather light a candle than curse the dark, so I'm giving you a draft 'graph to work with.

#13. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 1, 2007 12:04 PM

I agree Mac, good episode. I too was worried about the whole Hurley needing to start the VW plotline, but if you weren't satisfied as he popped the clutch and Shambala started playing..check your pulse. The diegetic time b/w alcatraz / island seem to be screwed up....probably no way around it for writers...but its hard to believe all the shee-yacht that happened to jack last week is in line with this weeks events. I think Hurley was starting the VW about the time Jack was talking with Tom in his glass house. I know, I know..who cares....these are the things I think about......along with what the numbers at the end of sillygirls name mean.

#14. Posted by: Diggler at March 1, 2007 12:05 PM

Maybe I'm just a Lost/ABC sickophant (a "bobble head" if you will) but I thought this was a very enjoyable ep! It was wrought with pop culture references and new nicknames from Sawyer (e.g. "Jumbotron"), we finally learn the significance of the "Lift up your eyes and look north" thing, Rousseau makes a grand reappearance, and of course Cheech Marin! What's not to like? This wasn't one of the more mythology-steeped episodes that make you have to think and think hard. This was more of a release from that tension, save for a few scenes. We were ripe for a Hurley flashback and I'm glad they delivered. This one you could just watch with amusement and not analyze so much.
Good job, Mac! Parenthood may have made ya soft, but you still ain't lost yer touch!

#15. Posted by: Trinity at March 1, 2007 12:05 PM

So take that, all the posters tht claimed (not necessarily here) that they could see Vincent in the boat with Michael and Walt as they left. Unless, of course, they're back, having sailed around the world on that heading of 330 degreees without ever finding another land mass.

#16. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 1, 2007 12:07 PM

@DC: Good point re: the structural differences between X-Files and Lost. X-Files had standalones built in from the get-go (in retrospect, I think the entire show was meant to be standalones, but then they lucked up on a "mythology").

As for the Libby thing -- you got me. Totally flaked on that one.

#17. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 12:08 PM

I was surprised that Kate and Sawyer's homecoming was so anti-climatic. And, what happened to Rose and Bernard? You'd think they'd be there to welcome them home.

#18. Posted by: Shannon at March 1, 2007 12:12 PM

OK, here's what I took away from TT is Dead...

First, we had a hoot watching it. It was funny and Hurley seems to have just had enough of *whatever* and become a player. My husband and I were busting a gut at Sawyer's nicknames & one liners. Hurley seems smarter and more like an action figure now. Sawyer has changed. Kate is now a bit of a catalyst.

Here's what I was thinking as I watched it...I saw an Oprah episode a few weeks ago - something about 'The Secret' which has apparently been around a while. What the purveyors of 'The Secret' say is, basically, that you make your own luck. Sound familiar? Their premise seems to be that since we are all energy, we affect our energy by our thoughts, and our energy attracts or repels things according to our thoughts.

We've seen this before in Lost. Doc getting whacked by the bus, Walt changing things, I think there were more examples.

I think I'm onto something but I'm not sure what. I just think something changed last night and it has to do with the islanders creating and changing their own luck/destiny. Maybe Charlie's problem comes into play here, maybe it has something to do with Desmond's seeing/changing/not changing the future.

Well. that's my .02.


#19. Posted by: Helen Stergius at March 1, 2007 12:14 PM

I'm really surprised at the comments by those who didn't like this episode. I loved it! I thought it was really fun, and I am into enjoying Lost rather than analyzing it. I especially enjoyed the comic chops that Josh Holloway brought to his role as Sawyer--his acting skills just keep improving. There has been so much tension and despair that it was nice to have this relief. I for one am sick of Jack and his sneering, one-note character (apparently he went to the Ana Lucia school of acting) and it was refreshing to be back with the other cast members for a change (with the exception of the utterly useless Paolikki). I agree that this is a message from the writers to have hope, be patient and hang on.
Could someone with Tivo make a list of all the "Sawyerisms"? They were coming fast and furious and most were very funny. Did you notice that he called Charlie "Munchkin"? How much funnier would it have been if he had called him "The Hobbit"?

#20. Posted by: Kathy at March 1, 2007 12:21 PM

i have to agree that this episode was a bit too "little miss sunshine"-esque for my liking. discovering a bus in the jungle that will magically cure all of hurley's paranoid bad-luck/number

as for adding to the plot, i don't think the writers managed to do this at all. ok so hurley didn't have bad luck for half a everything on the island is going to be all great and dandy now? are the others going to become friends with the beachies and they will stop kidnapping and reveal all the secrets of the island?

yea didn't think so.

overall i didn't like this episode. it was too... blah.

#21. Posted by: nina at March 1, 2007 12:22 PM

Date: Sometime last fall
Location: Lost Writers meeting room.

Writer 1 - You know guys, our days with this "Lost" job are numbered with the limited episodes that we've commited to...pretty soon we're going to need to look for other gigs.

Writer 2 - Yeah...I've been thinking of the same thing. I'm worried...sure people like what we've been doing, but I think as writers, we will become stereotyped and it may be hard to find a job.

Writer 3 - I have an idea...lets write a light hearted episode like every other comedy sitcom out there so people know what we can do.

The writers all agree and there is much rejoicing...and we as fans got a totally saccharine worthless episode so the writers could enhance their resumes.

#22. Posted by: petew at March 1, 2007 12:36 PM

I gotta say, my quote of the night was when Sawyer called Hurley "Jumbotron" and Hurley came back with "Shut up," Sawyer's response? "Touche." Most brilliant Lost exchange ever.

#23. Posted by: Stef at March 1, 2007 12:38 PM

The food:

I couldn't really tell on my TV, but I assume that the candy bar Cheech gave Hurley was an Apollo Bar.

>[Kate] knows that Jack's rescue becomes more difficult with each passing minute. In Kate's estimation, there's only one person who can help her Go Get Jack.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Kate assuming Jack is still on Alcatraz/Hydra Island. So they're going to storm over there, somehow (didn't Karl take the boat?) only to find empty bear cages?

>I'm not sure if this will prove to be important in future episodes, but during the Van Project, Sawyer discovers architectural plans for a Dharma road.

My guess is it was an attempt to explain what a car is doing out in the middle of the jungle.

>Rousseau, meanwhile, hides in underground lairs and howls at full moons. I don't get it -- how is she going to help?

She's sucessfully evaded the Others for 17 years, she's a crack shot and great at improvising snares/booby traps, for a few reasons.


>As always, pleasepleaseplease get a better picture of Hurley!!

I have to concur on this one.
I see now you've done it - slightly better.

#24. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 1, 2007 12:41 PM

Here's a small thing I noticed that may play out in an interesting way down the road:

It occured when Hurley was trying to recruit people on the beach to form a pit-crew for the VW bus. As everyone was walking away, you could see Nikki (God forgive me for adding her to discussion) get yanked away by the beltloop from behind, almost as if Paulo (looked like a tan hand doin' the pulling) pulled her away. This just jumped out at me as being odd. Why would she need to be pulled away from volunteering? Did she forget something? Are Paulo and Nikki trying to stay out of the mix for some reason? Getting comfortable in the community, picking their spot to make an impact - kinda like Others such as Ethan and 'guy killed by Anna-Lucia'.

Did anyone else see this or did I have one too many Darhma UltraLights last night?

#25. Posted by: Mhausen11 at March 1, 2007 12:42 PM

I’ll chime in on the episode later after reading comments for a while, however....

Speaking of Noble and Nobel -

Mac, I think the spell-checker also did you in when you wrote: “They deserve additional phrase for shifting the tone back toward mystery/drama in the episode's . . “

I suspect the word “phrase” should be “praise”.

Sorry. It’s the “teacher” in me.

#26. Posted by: davidrh at March 1, 2007 12:47 PM

@ Mhausen11,

I also saw what looked like Paolo's hand yank back Nikki by her belt loop. I took it to mean that she was being nice and was going to help, but Paolo saw it as one of Hurley's hair-brained Gilligan-esque schemes and de-volunteered her. Either that or he didn't want her secret identity as a Dhar-mechanic to be revealed.

#27. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 1, 2007 12:57 PM

I saw the beltloop pull back too, and at first i thought it was Jin(tan arm) pulling her back Which would just be wierd.

#28. Posted by: Dakota at March 1, 2007 12:57 PM

@davidrh: got it, thanks.

#29. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 12:58 PM

>Could someone with Tivo make a list of all the "Sawyerisms"?

There's several places around the net where these are collected. Try:

"http colon slash slash" stripped off to avoid aggravating the blogging gods -

#30. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 1, 2007 1:00 PM

@Mhausen11: Yes, I noticed Nikki getting pulled away by her beltloop, too. Hopefully it was by a producer, who then threw Nikki's character into the Dharma recycling bin forever...

@mac: First-time poster, always enjoy your posts. I thought it was a great episode, perfect for mid-season. A little breather to keep us off our game a little bit. But I disagree, the BEST line of the night was Hurley's dad: "That's a hell of a Jesus." We had to stop the DVR for a while until we could stop laughing. (We also liked Sawyer's comment to Jin: "Looks like somebody's 'Hooked on Phonics'!")

Keep up the great work!

#31. Posted by: debilost at March 1, 2007 1:03 PM

I am with Mac. Loved the episode. Thought it was a hilarious breather in the Lost series. I had to stop the Tivo multiple times becasue I was laughing so hard. Best nicknames ever.

I also agree that it is time to just sit back and enjoy this show. Its no fun to be aggravated over it.

#32. Posted by: Melissa at March 1, 2007 1:09 PM

Of all the recent eps, I enjoyed this one the most. Probably because it was comic relief and the show needed that.

They need to do something with Paulo/Nikki soon - like toss them to the Dharma Shark! What a waste there.

@Stef - I also loved the exchange between Sawyer and Hurley, "Red...neck... Man!" Priceless, but my fav has got to be Sawyer teaching Jin English. I was so hoping that at the end of the episode after giving Sun that flower, Jin would say those three phrases to her. That would have capped off the episode for me!

Now what is Hurley going to do when that bus runs out of gas? Is there a Dharma gas station nearby? Can I buy a Dharma lotto ticket there?

#33. Posted by: Connie at March 1, 2007 1:12 PM

Last night's was the most disappointing episode for me of all three seasons. I finally convinced some family to watch last night to catch a glimpse of the mystery this show provided. That was a collosal mistake! Not only was there little-to-no mystery... there was little-to-no story advancement, and of all the characters to see on your first viewing....Hurley, although enormously loveable, is certainly the least convincing.
Questions I still have after the so-called light-hearted, fun or funny episode are:
Why did Hurley accept Sawyer's return without the slightest question about what happened to him with the Others? (I think a short scene set to some music showing Hurley and Sawyer talking and sipping beer with a detail here or there was in order. But that bus was just too important in this ep I guess.)
Did Charlie's demons take flight with Hurleys as they sped down the hill? Or are we still waiting for Charlie's imminent death?....and lastly..
How did Jin and Sawyer run down that hill so fast?

#34. Posted by: kilorooster at March 1, 2007 1:16 PM

I have to agree with alot of comments here. I too have lost my once monumental enthusiasm for the show, and now pay attention in the lone hopes that the fire will be rekindled or my lingering questions will be answered... or worse, just to see how badly it ends. lol.

Am I the only one who felt like the reporter Tricia Tanaka was a parody on Family Guy's 'Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa' who also despises her menial asignments? Well, even if it wasnt, it made me chuckle.

and because this is a first comment for me, I should add...

Good job with your writing and sardonic synopsis of the episodes, Mac.

#35. Posted by: Daema at March 1, 2007 1:20 PM

@Kathy-Lostpedia's list of Sawyerisms

#36. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 1, 2007 1:21 PM

Loved when Sawyer called Hurley "Snuffy"

#37. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 1, 2007 1:23 PM

I guess my point is that I didn't feel like I needed a "break" from the "intensity" of Season 3 (which hasn't been intense at all, for the most part). The audience still hasn't been rewarded for hanging in through a ridiculous 3-month break, and there are a billion other shows on TV if I'm interested in whimsical, breezy romantic comedies. I want my LOST back, and I'm getting more and more worried that it's not coming back. Compare last night's ep to one of the classic Season 1 or 2 episodes, and the contrast is stunning.

#38. Posted by: KG at March 1, 2007 1:24 PM

I thought y'all were going to slaughter this episode, but I am glad to read that so many people saw the positive side of this episode. I did too. Loved Cheech Marin. Loved the same song playing at the same moment in the VW. Loved Sawyer. Loved the breather the episode took from the usual veil of mystery this series often hides behind (which I also love)....

As for the Nikki pull back...I saw that too. I think maybe (and I think I read this somewhere too...) that Paolikki are going to play significant roles in the future (whether we like it or not)...what if they are Goodwinesque? Somehow working for Dharma or Hanso Corp?

As for Vincent...I thought he was on the boat too and thought his return may hint towards the return of Walt and Michael, but if you all are saying it ain't so, then I believe ya!

#39. Posted by: Vikki at March 1, 2007 1:27 PM

I also felt as though we watched Hurley's story arc come full circle last night...does this hint at his demise?

#40. Posted by: Vikki at March 1, 2007 1:31 PM

Sorry Mac I must disagree with your post.
This episode was a complete waist of time. It did not advance the storyline to any significant degree. Learning that Hurley has daddy issues and that his mom is one horny doggie takes us nowhere. Hurley and friend go for a drive? Drinking stale beer? A meteor?
I have been saying this for weeks now I am following through. Lost is now relegated to Tivo status. You know, the shows you plan to watch but ultimately end up erasing half of them before you do?

#41. Posted by: RC at March 1, 2007 1:35 PM

It was also great when Hurley's mom covered Jesus statue's ears and explained, "I have needs."
I think I was aas horrified as Hugo was!

#42. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 1, 2007 1:36 PM

Been a while since I posted....I couldn't help notice the similarity between Tricia Tanaka and Tricia Takanawa, the asian reporter from Family Guy....tribute or coincidence?
Also, how does Rousseau not know that there is another island? (I apologize if that has been covered, I admittedly have not been on the site for a while)

#43. Posted by: J-Rod at March 1, 2007 1:38 PM


I haven't even finished your recap yet, but have to tell you I think it's your best yet! I'm laughing myself silly! Excellent job, absolutely filled with the humor and sarcasm that only you can do.

#44. Posted by: AmyK at March 1, 2007 1:44 PM

@Connie - that's exactly what I was thinking. Instead of the standard happy music and panning around the beach, I wanted Jin to use his new vocabulary. Mac, as a married man, recently to a pregnant & post-partum wife, I'm surprised you don't yet know the extreme importance of those lines! My husband uses them all the time. He's wonderful. *sighs dreamily*

I also loved the VW microbus scene, but I thought the flashback was a waste of time.

#45. Posted by: hurling at March 1, 2007 1:47 PM

I love the idea that nikki/paulo are 'other-under-covers' and have been there all this time. kate loves sawyer, but only when she calls him 'james', cause when he gave her crap, she reverted to 'sawyer'. my favorite laugh, by far, was sawyer in the van getting beer and....'what the hell?!?...why's there a head in here??', and he gets no response and dismisses it. friggin hilarious!

#46. Posted by: Mike L at March 1, 2007 1:50 PM

Also, i was fine with a "lighter" lost this week. Frankly, my head needed a break from the time-warp des, jack n juliet n benny love triangle. The meteor and many sawyer-isms were a riot. Jumbotron! Still lmao! Relax all, have faith, they will screw with our heads plenty the rest of the season. Plus next week, we get our second "I was wrong" Locke moment. I'm just looking forward to Sayid interogating Isabel one day. BRRRRRR! i get chills just thinking about it.

#47. Posted by: Mike L at March 1, 2007 1:59 PM

The VW made me think of one funny thing: this was the Mystery Machine from Scooby Doo. They even have the dog (Vincent).

However, I found most of this story disappointing (except the last 5 minutes with Kate and Rousseau) and found myself wondering during the show that the best is long over. The writing has gotten very watered down. My guess is that the better writers have left (Heroes, anyone?) and this group doesn't really know how to move the plot along. This seems particularly so as they have killed off Eko and Libby, who I believe were pivotal to the overall plan of the show. Maybe they will bring Libby back to life like good soaps do (or her evil twin sister--Bad Twin anyone?). Maybe that was why they showed Hurley talking to her grave. Btw the actress does seem to be available.

#48. Posted by: boharpe at March 1, 2007 2:06 PM

I gotta say, the whole episode through I kept thinking and saying to my wife, "I think they've just jumped the shark!" This episode really did nothing for me, other than give some more air time for Hurley (which I normally love, but even he was not his usual pithy self, it seemed to me).

Finding the VW bus was the beginning of the approach, absolutely no one being willing or interested in investigating a new discovery and its potential to contain useful items (not to mention the obvious appeal for picking up Dharma chicks!) brought us to the edge of the ramp, and the skid down a 40 degree hill on @20 year old tires, riding a rusted suspension, popping a rusted clutch to start a probably dirt clogged engine using gas STALER than Sawyer's Dharma brew was the leap over the teethy watery beast.

For me, that was SHARK JUMPING in its finest form. I will continue to stay involved and interested -- I am in this for the long haul -- but this episode truly stretched the writers' credibility account in my mental bank...

#49. Posted by: BELost at March 1, 2007 2:09 PM

Mac, your review was hysterical. Loved the episode, not sure why some people did not. My co-workers and I always rush to each others desk to discuss LOST every Thursday and this one had us all laughing. Sawyer ROCKS!

#50. Posted by: Gwen at March 1, 2007 2:11 PM

I gotta say, the whole episode through I kept thinking and saying to my wife, "I think they've just jumped the shark!" This episode really did nothing for me, other than give some more air time for Hurley (which I normally love, but even he was not his usual pithy self, it seemed to me).

Finding the VW bus was the beginning of the approach, absolutely no one being willing or interested in investigating a new discovery and its potential to contain useful items (not to mention the obvious appeal for picking up Dharma chicks!) brought us to the edge of the ramp, and the skid down a 40 degree hill on @20 year old tires, riding a rusted suspension, popping a rusted clutch to start a probably dirt clogged engine using gas STALER than Sawyer's Dharma brew was the leap over the teethy watery beast.

For me, that was SHARK JUMPING in its finest form. I will continue to stay involved and interested -- I am in this for the long haul -- but this episode truly stretched the writers' credibility account in my mental bank... Heck, I watched the Fonz for years after he jumped the shark, crashed into the chicken stand, rode the rodeo bull and won the surfing competition. If I can endure that, I can certainly hang on a little longer.

#51. Posted by: BELost at March 1, 2007 2:11 PM

This was the first time since season 3 started that I was smiling through an episode. I didn't realize what a drag it was seeing Alcatraz Island and the infuriatingly redundant soap stories there week after week after week. I enjoyed seeing the rest of the cast and having a lighter episode with a comedic touch was a relief. Sawyer was brilliant and heartbreaking. Good job Josh Holloway! He's so yummy when he smiles!

#52. Posted by: ab at March 1, 2007 2:19 PM

Does think the map Sawyer found may not be a road...but a tunnel? Way of getting around the island without being observed?

#53. Posted by: John at March 1, 2007 2:24 PM

This episode was funny, but if I want funny, I will watch Two and Half Men. This episode advanced nothing and was "fluffer nutter" if you ask me. Not exactly content rich and disappointing.

#54. Posted by: Losssssssst at March 1, 2007 2:24 PM

We're willing to entertain the idea/accept that the island cures cancer, makes paralyzed people walk again, contains a smoke cloud that can manifest itself into the form of dead relatives, impregnates people with the sperm of impotent men (maybe...), and perhaps provides people with a means by which to travel through time, but we have a problem with the possibility of an old rusty car starting up? How's that?

Sometimes it's the lure of the uncertain, of the ambiguity of a situation, that keeps our minds turning this stuff over and over again drives our willingness to believe in the power of the island, but it's the more plausible of situations that we call "ridiculous" or "unrealistic" and we are most critical of...I am just wondering why this seems to be... Any thoughts???

#55. Posted by: Vikki at March 1, 2007 2:26 PM

Am I the only one who did not get the compass stuff?? Ok the sunlight on ecko's stick told them (presumably) where north is (ignorant question: do they needed a stick to find out? Can't you find out where north is by looking at the stars? I might be wrong)..
But what has it got to do with Kate? Or is it normal not to understand??

I kinda liked the episode, it was funny, this is the first time I watched it live in the US (I usually download the episodes, europe is far behind) and it's the first time I saw a preview of a following episode.. have to say that the preview looked good!

#56. Posted by: Cello at March 1, 2007 2:26 PM

We're willing to entertain the idea/accept that the island cures cancer, makes paralyzed people walk again, contains a smoke cloud that can manifest itself into the form of dead relatives, impregnates people with the sperm of impotent men (maybe...), and perhaps provides people with a means by which to travel through time, but we have a problem with the possibility of an old rusty car starting up? How's that?

Sometimes it's the lure of the uncertain, of the ambiguity of a situation, that keeps our minds turning this stuff over and over again drives our willingness to believe in the power of the island, but it's the more plausible of situations that we call "ridiculous" or "unrealistic" and we are most critical of...I am just wondering why this seems to be... Any thoughts???

#57. Posted by: Vikki at March 1, 2007 2:27 PM

Sorry for the double post up there!

#58. Posted by: Vikki at March 1, 2007 2:29 PM

I just can't understand why people get so agitated about this show anymore. Yes time and again they have promised us answers to the big mysteries without delivering. Here's the thing though. Mac, you made me start to think that maybe the ABC promotion guys and the Lost guys don't collaborate on what is said in the previews. Maybe the guys from Lost just say heres next week's episode make a trailer and then the ABC guys blow it up out of proportion. Perhaps thats why we get so amped up for something that isn't true.

Last night's episode was light hearted and funny which was a nice change from the serious tone the show has taken on. I laughed through the entire episode and if you didn't as well then you don't understand good story telling. All the people who hated this episode are the same people who want all the answers right now. Sometimes you have to be patient and just let things come in time. I'm sure we'll get all our answers. It just might take a long time.

#59. Posted by: JAC at March 1, 2007 2:37 PM

@John: Why would Dharm build a winding tunnel? Isn't part of the reasoning behind tunneling is that you can go from point a to point b the quickest?

@Vikki: I am all for suspending disbelief when given a viable opportunity, but I don't feel like we've been given any sort of reason to believe certain aspects of "TT is Dead" by the writers.

I appreciate the "breather" aspect of this episode, but I also prefer more backstory insights and clues and curiousities. I think we have had fun, comical eps in the past that still had a little "meat" on their bones, haven't we? I hope, as you do Mac, I am sure that they don't build up next week to greatly and that it returns us to Lost's lost excellence.

#60. Posted by: BELost at March 1, 2007 2:38 PM

I might be wrong but...

In the episode "Dave" when we learned that the deck at Hurley's house collapsed, wasn't his father killed then and that's what drove Hurley to the Nut House??

I might be wrong or am I???


#61. Posted by: Kalico at March 1, 2007 2:51 PM

Yes, I too think the map will come into play somewhere along the line.

#62. Posted by: Dakota at March 1, 2007 2:53 PM

There is a classical music form called “Sonata Allegro” form - a traditional first movement of about every famous symphony you’ve ever heard of.

Basically, it’s this: First you get an introduction, and theme ONE appears in tonality (or key) ONE - And the theme is elaborated on over a fairly long period of time so that the listener can readily identify its qualities.

This is followed by theme TWO - another large section where this 2nd theme is treated to a similar musical evolution as the first, EXCEPT this theme in a ANOTHER key.

At that point, something occurs in the music called the “development section” - and here, these two themes get fragmented, convoluted, inverted, augmented - pretty much gutted and scattered about in a complicated interplay that may move through a dozen tonal keys, and a half dozen deceptive cadences, if the composer wishes them too.

At the conclusion of that section, BOTH THEMATIC SECTIONS return, one after another - the one major difference is that both are in the SAME KEY - and this leads to a closing amalgamation of the movement in a very strong section called the Coda.


Especially, since reading the comments of the past three weeks, I’m beginning to understand that perhaps we are in the middle of a gigantic symphony. If the LOSTIES are Theme One and the OTHERS are Theme Two and we correlate those themes to the seasons - I think we’re in the middle one heck of a development section!

Ever since the very first six weeks - episodes that were supposed to “tie things together”, but just aggravated us - and now, these four seemingly very “uneven” presentation episodes - Listen to us - We’re all in a tizzy, because we see some things moving to closure, other matters seemingly getting turned upside down, the obvious not being addressed, and other events inexplicably leading us into more confusion. We are watching characters and plots from both the LOSTIES and the OTHERS become fragmented and scattered. Bear cages, Tumors, sheriffs, tattoos, brands, boats, darts, belt loops, VWs, Crazy French Woman, Cable in the ocean (Betcha forgot about that, huh?), Carl and his stargazing - So which of these is leading us to the truth and which - because great writers have the same playful minds as great composers - are leading us down the primrose path into another deceptive cadence?

Take the “preview” to next weeks show. Obviously, we find the “eye-patch guy” - whom of course, we’ve all figured must be or might be the elusive REAL-HEAD-HONCHO-JACOB-OTHER - and yet, we get a glimpse of, what, a farmhouse? (Were those pigs in the yard?) Is this guy just another-other-castaway? And OH NO! Not another “JOHN - What have you done?!?” moment . . . .

It’s Season Three, the “development section” - We’ve moving the fragments around to align the themes . . . I think I’ll just sit back and enjoy it - Because, you have to trust me here, the middle of the development section is NOT the place to make one’s best evaluation of the symphony as a whole.

Two seasons from now, I want to stand to my feet and yell “BRAVO”!

OK. Lost writers - Make Music.


BTW, I agree - the “Sawyerisms” are getting better every week. But I’m still laughing at “You got backyards!?!” Sorry, just living in the past, I guess . . .

#63. Posted by: davidrh at March 1, 2007 2:54 PM

The 1st thing I do when I get to work on Thursdays is to read your review of Lost. Because the show had a more comedic feel, you're review was even more funnier! My co-workers think I'm insane with all the Mac-induced hysterical laughter. Thanks: )

A couple things I noticed from last nights epi: When Sawyer & Kate returned to Losties camp I noticed Sawyer looking around (obviously for Kate) but when he saw Nikki he sorted of did a double glance as if he didn't know who she was or wished she wasn't there.

Also, when Hurley was goin' on about hope, Sawyer said "If you're looking for hope it's not here"...or something to that effect. To me, it seemed as though he's suffering from the events in Room 23.

Sawyer's in L O V E. He knows it and he doesn't know what to do about it. He's starting to look like a wuss by not helping Kate. That would be the "man" thing to do.

My favorite scene: Sawyer clinking his Dharma beer against Skelators head. Funny as hell.

#64. Posted by: amelia at March 1, 2007 3:07 PM

I'm going to vote for enjoying the episode. Hurley is one of my favorite characters and his stories make me laugh with the impossible run of bad luck he has. Let's not forget one of the classic X-Files episodes was "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" which was hilarious and occurred well into the mythology phase.

As for forwarding the story, this one did more than Desmond's story a couple of weeks ago which told us NOTHING new. Now we know why Hurley is fat (big-boned), that Kate is going to hunt for Jack with Sayid, Locke, and Danielle, and that Nikkolo is really useless (but we already knew that). Part of the original charm of the show for me was that there was no hardset story, it flowed and we all sat for the ride. Having Jack and the Others run around yelling and chasing each other gets boring after a while.
My big question of the week is why was the Hippy Van on it's side? If it stopped it would still be upright. Did it hit something? Did something (polar bear, Monster) hit it? Could vines turn over a one ton (900 kg for our foreign friends) truck? Why was Roger Work-Man still at the wheel?

@boharpse: Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, the actor who played Eko wanted to move on, so he was written out of the show. Easiest way to leave Skull Island: die!

@mac: The picture looks the same? Send him to Glamour Shots!

#65. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 1, 2007 3:08 PM

Someone in my office mentioned that they thought Hurley's boss's name was Roger ... the same as the dead guy in the van. Any way to find out?

I think the new map will come into play and possibly answer some questions. Can we get a pic?

Why hasn't anyone asked about that spike that Sawyer stepped on? Why didn't Kate or Sawyer even look at it? It is so implausible that a person could step on a spike and not look at it or wonder what it was doing there! (also implausible that Hurley wouldn't question Sawyer about what happened after he last saw him captured with a bag on his head). The writing makes no sense at all and stinks more than Hurley's sweaty shirt.

#66. Posted by: lost addict at March 1, 2007 3:20 PM

Does anyone know the ratings for last night? While I love this show I can see people turning it off. There are too many little details to pay attention to and the average Joe does not want that.
Just my opinion.

#67. Posted by: D Ral at March 1, 2007 3:20 PM

The only reason I can think of for the VW Van and Roger the Dharma janitor is to give us some evidence on Time. The winding road map is what Roger was driving on until he crashed; then the jungle overgrew the roadway signifying a long passage of Time since Roger's tragic event. It would also mark a long time when Dharma was in control of the island, because if Roger did not return to camp with the beer, would not the Dharmanites go looking for him (finding him off the roadside, then taking care of the body?) But then again, maybe Roger was fleeing when he met his demise.

#68. Posted by: welh at March 1, 2007 3:24 PM

@davidrh: Thanks a because of you will I never listen to the audio on LOST again, but I may never listen to music all together!!

#69. Posted by: Mhausen11 at March 1, 2007 3:25 PM

@davidrh: Thanks a because of you will I never listen to the audio on LOST again, but I may never listen to music all together!!
→ Posted by: Mhausen11


#70. Posted by: davidrh at March 1, 2007 3:30 PM

@lost addict: is your friend! Randy was Hurley's boss.

Also it looked to me like Sawyer stepped on a dart. At this point I don't think anybody would question any piece of trash laying around the island with all the people that have trampled around the island.

#71. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 1, 2007 3:34 PM

I could be wrong, but I figured the dart Sawyer stepped on was left over from the hatch implosion (the dartboard also survived). -- mac

#72. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 3:37 PM

@davidrh: Just messin'...very, very long explanation of musical structure. I prefer just enjoying and not thinking....sorry for dissin' ya.

If ya can't take the heat, get out of the completely imploded kitchen!

#73. Posted by: Mhausen11 at March 1, 2007 3:49 PM

Most important piece(of Artz) information: I will no longer go by my regular name of Mhausen11....from now on, I will be known as:


#74. Posted by: Mhausen11 at March 1, 2007 3:51 PM

This episode takes the cake and proves the points that some have been making about the filler to content ratio in this show. "Pointless" is too kind a word for this look into Hurley's backstory. What progress was made in this episode? We learned that Hurley is big because he overeats because of father issues. So what? Did anyone care why Hurley was big? I'm curious as to why Locke was in a wheelchair, but Hurley's size has not been a burning question on my mind.

But what really stands out are all the things you had to overlook when you watched this episode:

Sawyer steps on a dart (?!) in the middle of the jungle, but it's like, "whatever". They don't pick up the dart and examine it?

Kate and Sawyer return, but there are no sitdowns with all the beach extras to explain what happened, where Michael and Walt are, and where Jack is?

Hurley tells a crowd that he's found a car and NOBODY has enough curiosity to accompany him to even see if it is a Delorean or a Yugo? Not even Nikki and Paulo, who are desperate to say or do something to justify their existence?

A map (a MAP!) is found in the VW, but nobody picks it up and studies it?

Jin is going to pick up conversational English in a matter of days (island time, remember).

The French woman has traipsed all over the island for 16 years, but somehow she never came upon the others' suburb (where she could spy on them long enough to notice her own daughter wandering around), YET Kate now wants her to lead them there?

They now think they can find their way to the others' suburb because Locke suddenly realizes that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? This is a new revelation?

Sure, the show is fiction, but when you're asked to ignore basic human curiosity to this degree, it becomes too obvious that you're being played for a chump.

I'd even venture to say that the VW and everything in it will be summarily dismissed and never again figure in future episodes.

#75. Posted by: Darryl at March 1, 2007 3:57 PM

Agree the dart came from the hatch event (I just can't call it an explosion).

Better character moment than Hurley's '' is Sawyer's response, 'touche'. Sawyer appreciates it when someone stands up to his gibes. Just don't touch his porn.

Last night on AI, Simon advised a contestant that she *really* didn't want to invite a comparison to Whitney Houston by singing one of her songs. I have the same reaction to someone bringing up "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" in this thread. If you want me to like this ep of "Lost", you really don't want to invite that Jello vs. creme broulet comparison.

#76. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 1, 2007 3:59 PM

Have anyone noticed that the guys who prevented Penelope that they had capted a "signal" at the end of season 2 spoke portuguese from Brazil, and Paulo is Brazilian.... Perhaps he is not so useless after all...
Enjoyed a lot this review.

#77. Posted by: mne at March 1, 2007 4:03 PM

shockingly poor episode, just a filler that didnt advance the story on bit

#78. Posted by: adam at March 1, 2007 4:10 PM

lighten up people and quit hating so much, or better yet just stop watching if ALL you are going to do is complain. it wasnt the best episode but it wasnt the worst either. i found it entertaining and refreshing but definitely look forward to getting back to the edge of your seat, hurry up commericals, lost we all love,or most of us,still love.

lets get back to analyzing the story and the significance of what we did learn from this episode becasue we did learn a few thing, i think.

just my .03


#79. Posted by: tiffani at March 1, 2007 4:14 PM

Great Review!!
The fun was great but I didn't like how the plot did not progress very much. It was still good, though.

Loved the Python reference!!!!

#80. Posted by: Castaway at March 1, 2007 4:18 PM

Refreshing? Light? I don't get these comments. What, you've found this season to be tense and stressful and mentally demanding such that you need a breather?! Whoa, this show is so intense that I can't stand the tension. Please, some lighthearted fare!

This season has been anything but demanding. I'm not needing a break, just a reason to keep watching, and by that I mean some answers. How about a minimum of one answer for every 4 newly introduced mysteries? That'd be a good start.

#81. Posted by: Darryl at March 1, 2007 4:25 PM

One of the best episodes in years- It felt like season one....that great sence of fun and mystery. And I loved seeing the "gang" again, just hanging on Lost Island and kickin' it old school.

@Mac- Totally enjoyed your recap; but my favorite line of the episode was from Sawyer to "Jinbo"..."Well, it looks like somebody's hooked on phonics"!

Great episode, great review.

#82. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at March 1, 2007 4:30 PM

I loved it because it was a great way to give the long time viewers their cast aways back. I think it was a writing device to bond everyone in viewers minds and remind them that they haven't been there very long. They are all scared, Hurley said so to libby and they just want to stay alive.It made me happyto be with them again,sappy or not. It reminded me of the first ear. You got all mushy with the characters and then bam something bad happens!

#83. Posted by: islander at March 1, 2007 4:48 PM

Was ayone else waiting for Sawyer to keel over from the "poison" on that dart?

Am now informed in another venue that the "Vincent on the boat" clip was an outtake not actually broadcast, but which ended up on the net somehow. So these things, like the "little girl in Jack's terrarium" still-shot that also found it's way onto the net can't be taken as canon? It's getting hard to have a grasp on 'reality' here. How about the Lost Experience? Can we count on what we learned there?

#84. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 1, 2007 5:11 PM

Hurley definitely seemd to be the "scent" of attraction this week.

Well, now we know why Hurley is fat! I was staying up nights wondering about it - I guess it always did Hurley's dear mother’s heart good to hear him eat.

#85. Posted by: ButchM at March 1, 2007 5:37 PM

I just burst out laughing when the meteor took out the chicken shack. A nice special effects shot too.

That Dharma van is the stuff! Can you imagine, it laid in the jungle all that time, yet had no flats, gas in the tank, and despite PLANTS growing in the engine, somehow didn't need so much as an oil change to rev up! And you thought a Toyota had legs. Pfft...

The two most interesting things to me:

1. Hurley's Dad: "I'll be here when you get back." That doesn't seem random.

2. Just why WAS Roger the Workman dead in this VW after making a beer run? A plan for a road is one thing, but was he driving this car in the jungle? I can't help but wonder if there is a bit more to this yet to be revealed.

And PLEASE, for god's sake, let Sawyer show someone the map, looked like a good part of the island was depicted on it, or will we have to wait until the end of the season for him to mention it?

#86. Posted by: The Duf at March 1, 2007 6:02 PM

I only read about 5 comments before I had to post.... This episode was GREAT!!! I thought it brought back the good season 1 feeling. A break from all the drama and terror was nice.

And C'mon... Throwing a VW bus into the same episode w/ Cheech~!?!?! It was obviously a late night party when the producers wrote this one.

Best lines: Hurley to Jin "I UNDERSTAND YOU" And Hurley to Sawyer "and his name's not Skeletor. It's Roger Workman!"

On a personal note... I have been very disapointed w/ this blog as of late... Most posts are just complaints anymore, and sry mac, you've been pretty negative lately as well.

It's just since this thread has become so popular now, It would be nice just to discuss the show with those who also enjoy it.

#87. Posted by: middies at March 1, 2007 6:21 PM

@middies: Okay, it bugs me when I clearly note where I'm coming from, yet my reviews are perceived as negative. Granted, the "Flashes Before Your Eyes" review was, by far, the most negative "Lost" piece I've written, but I think it's a bit much to call this latest review negative. I made a solid stand in the "liked it" camp.

Along those lines, I think the growing schism between the "just roll with it folks" and the "answers already!" folks is something that's worth discussion. I don't really perceive the current state of things as negative, rather, people are just sorting it all out. Where it goes and what it will become remains to be seen, but in the interim I don't see the harm in keeping the discourse open and lively. As long as everyone is respectful, I have absolutely no problem with any of it.

The only thing I ask everyone to remember is that this blog and this show are supposed to be fun. That certainly doesn't mean we all have to enjoy every second of it -- or that we all have to agree. But at the end of the day the blog and the show should NOT cause any real frustration in any of our lives. Good lord, that just doesn't make any sense! -- mac

#88. Posted by: mac at March 1, 2007 6:35 PM

Wow. So many strong opinions about the best show on television. Perhaps that's what makes a great television show. Writers write, that's what they do. And they always have a method to their madness. Consider the frustration over unanswered questions- I'm sure given the fact that we are only 10 episodes into season three that the producers/writers could throw up their hands and say..."We give want answers, they are"..season three's finale now becomes series finale..who wants that? Not me, thats for sure. Any great story takes time, and lots of it, to unfold it's layers. If you don't have the patience for it, maybe Lost isn't for you. I think as fans of this show we've all gotten to wrapped up in the answers and when are we gonna get 'em, that we've forgotten to just enjoy the show. This show hooked me on great characters that I grew to care about(hence the importance of Hurley's backstory last night)that found themselves involved in a mystery on a strange island. I didn't care about answers in season one, or season two for that matter. I watch to see where these characters are going and what happens to them. The producers have already stated several times that all the questions will not have answers. Is that a cop out? Maybe to some people, but not me. As long as the writers bring the characters stories to a conclusion then they have fulfilled their duty. Will everyone like the conclusion? I think the answer to that lies in the posts that appear every week in response to this blog. Two quick sidenotes, then I'm out. The Nikki/Paulo belt pull scene. Am I the only one that thought that might be a glimpse into an abusive relationship? Just a thought there. And as far as the ABC promos go....the producers/writers have nothing to do with them. In a recent podcast with Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse concerning the promo for "Stranger In A Strange Land" know.."3 of the islands biggest mysteries answered tonight" promo...Damon and Carlton tried to guess what all three mysteries, take that for what it's worth...


#89. Posted by: Jeff at March 1, 2007 6:37 PM

I love the episodes that have more humor in them, and last night's was a good one. Sawyer's one-liners, the "English lessons" for Jin, etc. etc.

I laughed throughout the whole show, and I think it was about time they lightened things up a little. It reminded me of the one where they built a golf course.

Not all of the eps can be earth-shattering cliffhangers...

#90. Posted by: Amanda S. at March 1, 2007 6:49 PM

Is Mac the best moderator ever, or what?

I'm critical of what I view to be the show's missteps. I was hooked in season 1 and somewhere in season 2 I saw the whole thing starting to slide downhill. I'm a fan; I don't want that to happen. But fans have the right to complain too. Any Chicago Bears fans out there?

I just don't get the responses that say, "hey, if you don't like it, don't watch" or "go somewhere else and complain, will you, we like the show" or "if you don't like it, maybe it's not for you". Come on you guys, you're even complaining that Mac has expressed some minor frustration and isn't over-the-top enthusiastic.

Think of any other realm where people are having a discussion. When everyone sits around and agrees with each other, is it very interesting?

#91. Posted by: Darryl at March 1, 2007 7:03 PM

Long time reader, first time writer: #1 I totally agree about the music! It was awsome. The song itself brings back many teenage memories(oops), and the way it developed at the end of the show was tremendous. #2 Keep in mind that I have always had a couple of nips B4 watching-especially now that its on at 10-but wasn't there an episode where it was revealed that Jin actually spoke and understoood English?

#92. Posted by: johnny at March 1, 2007 7:24 PM

@jeff - Thanks for saying what I was thinking. I'm just enjoying every minute of the ride!

#93. Posted by: mrsdobalena at March 1, 2007 7:30 PM

Yes, I have to say that this episode was not my favorite - in fact, I liked it about the same as the episode where Bernard built the SOS sign. where are those two?

I was disgusted when Sawyer was drinking that flat, tepid beer! I was annoyed at the detour from the story with the ridiculous car. I wished they spent more time building the story or answering the questions, but this did nothing for me. The last few minutes were the best though.

Yet, I have to say that the scenes for next week look intriguing.

#94. Posted by: meg at March 1, 2007 7:36 PM

quote of the day:
"mutton chops went out of style, etc."

nice job mac.

#95. Posted by: LT at March 1, 2007 7:43 PM

sry mac... wasn't a personal jab at you; you do always justify your points of view. And I was relieved when reading the review that u thought this episode fit in well. There are really just a select few posts each week that just seem to jump on the "hate" bandwagon.

concerning the episode... i too really enjoyed the musical aspect, but they've done a great job w/ that for 3 seasons now.

And I apologize if this was discussed before, but I was thinking about when Henry Gale climbed through the vents to put the numbers in the computer. He must have contacted The Other's. I'm pretty sure it was the next day when Jack and Kate found Michael. Sorry again if this is old news.

Does anybody know if next week's episode is based on Sayid??? Looking at the characters involved in the preview, he's the only one we haven't seen yet this season. And where have Rose and Bernard been???

#96. Posted by: middies at March 1, 2007 7:49 PM

on 'Lostpedia' it says Hurley's dad was named "David Reyes". Hmmm.... who else in Hurley's flashbacks is named David?
And who else, possibly named David, kept enabling Hurley's eating problem?

#97. Posted by: bowchicawowow at March 1, 2007 8:02 PM

@ Diggler: "...along with what the numbers at the end of sillygirls name mean."

Thanks for the shout - I laughed out loud! I'm taking a stab (no pun intended ) as to what diggler is in reference to!

#98. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at March 1, 2007 8:48 PM

Did no one else hear Sawyer (btw- the HOTTEST MAN ON EARTH!!!)call Charlie "Jiminy Cricket"? That was the funniest Sawyerism to me!

Loved this ep! I had fun! I felt the joy! But i just had a baby myself- so maybe I'm soft too!

Kate bugs me.

I missed what Cheech said to Hurley re the candy bar at the beginning? Obviously it made Hurley turn to them for comfort.

Hurleys Mom-"I have needs" Come on!Thats great!

Did I mention how HOT Sawyer is?????

#99. Posted by: Page at March 1, 2007 9:23 PM

Mac, we are so lucky to have you, keep up the great work!

I loved this ep, I was singing Shambala all day! Perfect song for the scene!

Maybe Sawyer will "Cowboy-up",then they can use the van to help Kate rescue Jack.

Another revelation in this episode was when we found out that Sawyer watched "Little House".

#100. Posted by: green at March 1, 2007 9:50 PM

I understand and agree with most of the criticisms regarding this episode but that didn't stop me from laughing out loud at least ten times and thoroughly enjoying myself start to finish.

The van was silly, The Mr. Cluck meteor was silly. The Dharwaukee's Best was silly. Almost everyting was silly.

And the silly was well done.

#101. Posted by: snow at March 1, 2007 9:52 PM

Complainers, go away!

I need a break from the intensity. I want to see more Bernard. What happened to his SOS sign?

#102. Posted by: HurleysButtcrack at March 1, 2007 9:59 PM

Complainers, go away!

I need a break from the intensity. I want to see more Bernard. What happened to his SOS sign?

#103. Posted by: HurleysButtcrack at March 1, 2007 10:00 PM

Maybe Artz was the real head of Dharma and the rest is just empty bluster by people whose boss blowed up but they're too embarrassed to own up.

#104. Posted by: snow at March 1, 2007 10:04 PM

Sorry, that shoulda been Arzt.

Artz was just some shmuck.

But Arzt was a secret mastermind. And Vincent.

#105. Posted by: snow at March 1, 2007 10:08 PM

I dont know something bothers me about this episode..those "trons" housemaids..where did they pick them up again....are they koreans also.????

why has the van no vw symbol and just dharma written on it...however skeletor belonged to the swan station marked on his vest

vincent is one creepy dog!

#106. Posted by: Jazz at March 1, 2007 10:12 PM

I'm with the "roll with it" folks. I've felt the frustration with the lack of answers & the sense that all the "clues" are red herrings, but I like the characters, I like the world the show has created, and I'm willing to watch just to see what they do next. I imagine that since they don't plan on ending the show this season, any meaty answers are a ways off. This was certainly not the most exciting episode, but I liked the funny, and I liked the fact that the characters got to have some fun.
Mac, I've been reading this blog for a long time, but I don't think I've ever posted before. Your recaps are great & so is your attitude.

#107. Posted by: jcs at March 1, 2007 11:44 PM

Cheech Marin as Hurley's dad? DUUUUDE! Great casting!


During the reunion scenes on the beach there was no sign of Rose and Bernard. Have they been written off of the show for good?

What can possibly be done about the young actor who plays Walt? When Walt and Michael return the kid will be a good foot taller than he was when they started the series 3+ years ago.

Love the reviews as always Mac.

#108. Posted by: dumb luck at March 2, 2007 12:06 AM

Cheech Marin as Hurley's dad? DUUUUDE! Great casting!


During the reunion scenes on the beach there was no sign of Rose and Bernard. Have they been written off of the show for good?

What can possibly be done about the young actor who plays Walt? When Walt and Michael return the kid will be a good foot taller than he was when they started the series 3+ years ago.

Love the reviews as always Mac.

#109. Posted by: dumb luck at March 2, 2007 12:07 AM

Despite the crappiness of this episode, it did have its moments. Jorge Garcia really shined in this one, and not just because his character was featured. His emotional scenes really rang true, and it was nice that they gave him more to say than just "Dude."

The meteorite was pretty amazing.

Sawyer is back in full effect. He had me laughing the entire time with his quips. My favorite may have been when he referred to Roger as Skeletor.

Without having read any other comments that were posted since I loaded this page at a little after noon on Thursday, I'll throw this out there: Did Hurley break the curse?

Maybe the curse was only as powerful as he allowed it to be. As he was rolling down the hill in the Dharmawagon, he decided he would make his own luck. If the curse was still in effect, with (1) the way death has surrounded him and (2) the fact that Charlie should be dead and this would have been a golden opportunity for the universe to course-correct, one or both of them should have bit the big one.

Does this mean Charlie has defied fate? Or is it just a matter of time?

Next week looks like a good one, finally. Here's hoping we get a good payoff to the whole eye-patch-guy mystery.

#110. Posted by: James at March 2, 2007 1:08 AM


Gotta say that I did enjoy the episode, and am glad that I'm not just bitching about things here!

Totally agree with Mac - no lame marketing = no disapointment!

Definately some good funny lines.

I think the Libby grave scene was very insightful towards Hugos personality. Finally, a more realistic reaction of his coping with the loss of someone he really cared for.

What is of interest is how the whole fate vs hope thing played out.

In the Desmond episode, they presented the possibility that some things are destined, and can't be changed. There was the odd glimmer of hope, but it ended with Desmond admitting defeat - that despite all his efforts, he would not be able to change things.

Hugo is faced with a similar dilemma regarding the curse of the #'s. Bad things keep happening, and he feels like he is stuck in a rut that he can't escape.

But as Cheech said - even when it looks impossible, hope is key. Sometimes the craziest risk can pay off.

So - correct me if I'm wrong, but the dharma beer had the swan? Was this the same for Rogers outfit?

#111. Posted by: Shikotee at March 2, 2007 2:16 AM


Pretty funny - i too posted before reading all posts, a woah and behold, some similar thoughts!

#112. Posted by: shikotee at March 2, 2007 2:45 AM

Thanks for the review, mac. Just by coincidence, I watched the episode "Everybody hates Hugo" from Season 2 again yesterday, and guess what Hugo´s mum says to him: "Jesus will give you a new car" (or so). Well, it took a while, but in the end Jesus sure did deliver!
btw, speaking of the car: it´s "Fahrvergnuegen" (sorry, being German AND being a university teacher coming through).
I´ve been enjoying Lost from the first day and still love it!! It´s too bad my fellow countrymen don´t seem to be ripe for it - tv rates are quite poor.

#113. Posted by: John K at March 2, 2007 4:28 AM

someone noticed THE islandpicture on the wall during Hugo's dinner with his parents double click to max.the picture...!

#114. Posted by: jazz at March 2, 2007 7:10 AM

@JAC says: All the people who hated this episode are the same people who want all the answers right now. Sometimes you have to be patient and just let things come in time. I'm sure we'll get all our answers. It just might take a long time.

This is the problem that I think a lot of us have: you are setting up a false dichotomy, saying that there are two types of people: Those who are willing to wait, and those who want "all the answers now."

I propose a third group: Those of us who want SOME of the answers now. There are mysteries that were introduced in the PILOT EPISODE that have yet to be addressed (smoke monster, anyone?) There is plenty of stuff from the first season (why is Locke in the chair? who were "Adam and Eve" and what is the significance of the black and white stones found with them? The list goes on and on.)

I am glad that you still feel that "We will get the answers" and I think that is the fundamental difference between the "answers now" crowd and the "be patient" crowd. I think a lot of us are demanding the answers because we've started to fear we're NEVER going to get them. We've started to believe that the series will end and leave way too many questions unanswered. The "Adam and Eve" (the two bodies found in the caves with the black/white stones) mystery is the perfect example. I have a sinking feeling they are never going to get back to that, and dismiss it as "unimportant", and that is only one example out of a couple dozen. Many of us will feel that if they do not address ALL The mysteries they have introduced, then we will have been ripped off.

#115. Posted by: Jay at March 2, 2007 7:49 AM

I think this is the first episode that some one had a comeback to Sawyer's Sawyerism. Help me out here with what Hurley called him. Was it "Mr. err Red Neck ummm Man."

#116. Posted by: Craig at March 2, 2007 7:50 AM

Roger the workman was dead in his car, which was flipped over, for a reason.

He was doing something "bad" or illegal. The smoke monster got him and was flung several miles, from the road, into the jungle. :)

#117. Posted by: schiano at March 2, 2007 8:09 AM

VOTE: I enjoyed the episode.

@Cello: I think the "Compass stuff" was a reminder that Locke bases his decisions on faith. He felt the sunlight on the stick was a sign, and now he's following it. Seems pretty flaky by comparison with Kate's real know-how, but Kate's heading back towards Alcatraz. Perhaps Locke's compass bearing will actually lead the trio + Danielle to Whoville and all its backyards. (The writers used to play up the logic vs. faith thing quite a bit, but it has not been as prominent this season: perhaps this will lead up to a reconsideration of that issue.)

Observation: the dozens of times I've push-started a car (including a VW bus), I never had to get it rolling at 40+ mph. It only needs to be going ~5 or 10mph to kick into second gear.

Observation #2: I thought it was worth noting that while Kate and James/Sawyer were walking back to camp, Kate called him James. At that point, she was still trying to rekindle their flame. But he was having none of it, and opted to act like a jerk instead. So Kate switched back to calling him by his jerk-personality-name, Sawyer.

Why was Roger mummified? That's the sort of thing that happens to dead bodies in ARID climates. Usually, in tropical climates like Lost Island, things rot, and rot really quickly. Compare the condition of Roger's dessicated body with that of Yemi in the little yellow plane. A bit of a disconnect.

When do we get to see a Danielle flashback? Maybe she accidentally plugged Roger when she was shipwrecked. Wandering through the jungle, and suddenly a big blue pillbox comes hurtling out of the foliage. Yah! Blam, blam. Sixteen years later.....

#118. Posted by: Callan at March 2, 2007 8:47 AM

For me, this episode was vintage LOST. It felt like the writers got their mojo back. I thought it walked the tight-rope of mystery, character development and story just right.

For me, the last two episodes did not do that. The Desmond episode wasn't a favorite of mine.

I liked it!

And the previews for next week look pretty awesome. It looks like one character defect that Locke seems to have is that he enjoys pressing buttons he probably shouldn't press!

#119. Posted by: Matt at March 2, 2007 9:46 AM

Upthread, someone asked: is Mac the greatest moderator ever?

A: Yes. This is not the first very successful effort Mac has made in this arena, and it is due in no small part to his deft hand as a moderator. It's a more subtle skill than his clever writing style, but also a more critical one.

I had a college professor once who would often redirect classroom discussions with the phrase: You don't want to go putting words in someone else's mouth, because that would be unsanitary. That would be a fine thing for everyone to keep in mind before they slap up a post that labels a point of view they don't share. It's the difference between discussing the merits and having every discussion devolve into shouting "hater!" and "fanboy!" at each other.

#120. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 2, 2007 10:09 AM

I was wondering about the title of the episode: why would they put the name "tricia tanaka" in such a prominent place? After all, the poor lady´s career as a character was pretty short...or is there a deeper meaning to it? Could be another anagram, but nothing really made sense so far, including "I attack Iran" - still one "a" missing! Any ideas?

#121. Posted by: John K at March 2, 2007 10:19 AM

@Daryl and DC: Thanks for the moderator thoughts. There are certainly times where I feel my own fur rising, but passionate discussion is often hard to find and I place enormous value on intelligent debate, *even* if I disagree.

I've been very fortunate to find two communities ("Lost" and the "X-files") that have witty, smart, and eloquent fans. This blog provides a platform for those fans, and I'll do my best to never forget that. So thank you for your words -- they mean a lot. -- mac

#122. Posted by: mac at March 2, 2007 10:21 AM

Just for the record, I LOVED THIS EPISODE!. I didn't bother reading everyones posts because I have the feeling the majority was disappointed with it. I have decided that I am just going to quit trying to figure anything out and simply enjoy the show. The humor in this episode was refreshing. I'm glad that Sawyer was back to his old name calling and even happier with Hurley's comeback to him.
Mac, your reviews are always funny and make the show even more enjoyable for me. Thanks!

#123. Posted by: Amy at March 2, 2007 10:22 AM

Hey, great review Mac. Dunno why all the negative comments with the episode! For crying out loud, THEY WERE HAVING FUN... FOR A CHANGE! No "Oh my God I'm stranded on an island, oooooh, the Other are so bad", etc. Good to see people smile for a change! Plus you get the "Dharma Highway", "Who was Roger and what was he doing?", etc. IMHO, one of the most enjoyable episodes so far.

#124. Posted by: Daniel Rivera at March 2, 2007 10:36 AM

I'm in the "liked it" camp as well. I found this episode refreshing. It sure beats watchin' the Others & Jack walk around in circles at the Hydra.
I asked Gregg Nations if there would be any follow up on "Skeletor" and he said to get back w/ him after next weeks show. Maybe he was patchy's friend. Something made him put on an eye patch. Van wreck?
The previews for next week show Patchy layin' on the groundw/ Sayid's gun in his face. Maybe some answers will come our way!

#125. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 2, 2007 11:12 AM

Yes, I wonder about patchy as well. Locke seems to make some other screw up on the computer there. I am curious about how it's all related to the flash of the video clip with mr. armless (forgotten his name).

Didn't it look more like a pointed missile that hit the restaurant? Hurley's flashbacks are always a bit on the comical side.

#126. Posted by: meg at March 2, 2007 11:24 AM

Two thoughts:

1) Why was Roger a "Work Man" - 2 words? Is there a "Work Woman" and a "Play Man" etc.? Seems an odd job description.

2) I thought compasses didn't work on the island.

#127. Posted by: howecurious at March 2, 2007 12:51 PM

I realize I might be setting myself up for some zingers, but can any of you women tell me what Kate wants Sawyer to apologize for exactly?

#128. Posted by: kilorooster at March 2, 2007 12:52 PM

@kilorooster: I think Kate wants Sawyer to apologize for refusing to go back and get Jack and for letting Karl go.

#129. Posted by: Kathy at March 2, 2007 12:58 PM

Has everyone not learned yet not to trust the writers of this show. I was on the edge of my seat through most of it. First I was preparing myself for Charlie to be killed. Then I was sure they were going to finish off both Charlie and Hurley when the van was headed for the rocks and then again I thought they wouldnt dare kill off all four of them while riding in the van. After Anna Lucia and Libby's deaths, I don't trust any of these shows to be strictly comedy. Luckily I was right but I found it a very stressful last half hour.

I went back and watched the show again, and found much more humor in it. It really is a light hearted show to enjoy after all the dark episodes we'd had. I'd really like to see a Sawyer/Hurley spin off. Those two are great together.

I also would like to thank those of you who explained where the dart came from. That one had me also waiting for Sawyer to be poisoned.

Thanks for all you do Mac. It's a great blog.

#130. Posted by: peb at March 2, 2007 1:11 PM

Sorry, I meant to say "Luckily I was wrong...."

#131. Posted by: peb at March 2, 2007 1:14 PM

@davidrh Thanks for the analogy of Lost and the symphony! I thought it was very enlightening. And it promotes a wait to see the whole performance before determining its worth vibe.

@johnny There was an episode where Jin indicated that he understood more English than he let on - when Sayid and Sun were going to lie about how to entice the others to the sailboat. But he still doesn't speak much English.

@mac Great job as always!

#132. Posted by: Kristine at March 2, 2007 1:14 PM

Seems to me like they may be setting up a Kate vs. Juliet angle. "Only on Pay-per-view!" Hope Juliet doesn't end up killin' her & tryin' to cover it up.
*No spoiler people, just me rambling*

#133. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 2, 2007 1:56 PM

Bottom line for me is, I enjoy this series for it's pure entertainment value. I go into each ep with no expectations. For me, this was a very entertaining episode.

One thing that had bothered me though, was the fact that Hurley (the few recent times we've seen him) was never shown grieving for Libby. It was like he just forgot about the mojo they had brewing. Kudos to the show for that very well done emotional scene at the beginning of this ep.

Mark my words...there will come a time when we think of Nikki & Paolo as full-fledged and much less irritating characters. Their time is coming!

#134. Posted by: JoePike at March 2, 2007 2:09 PM

Who is Gregg Nations?

Also, didn't Jin speak perfect English in someone's dream sequence in a past episode?

#135. Posted by: Vikki at March 2, 2007 2:29 PM

I thought Skeletor's name was Roger, and his 'occupation' was Work Man. I could be wrong.

#136. Posted by: JoePike at March 2, 2007 2:39 PM

Mac-thanks again for your insights! Even tho I got more out of this ep on my own, laughing all the way, your reviews are a great barometer for me. (Oh, I noticed that, too!--or--Oh, I feel that way-guess I'm not crazy after all!--and OMG that was Shambala!!)

Can anyone confirm that the "mother" actress at Locke's hippy farm is the same as the actress who plays Isobel? Or was it the actress who played the doom-sayer in the recent Des flashback? Or am I way off.....don't have a tivo.

Loved the episode in spite of the sudden start of the van. Realized the terrific, careful writing and acting to make it believable. I'm hooked for the 3rd season.

And I agree that it's unique to have a blog with such respect and great dialog; so much so that now I depend on the answers too, and send thanks to you all--especially davidrh, JAC and Deep Cover (again) for filling in the cracks.

BTW, having a child only makes you better, Mac! How the hell do you find the time to write such a great and comprehensive blog?!! I don't notice your reviews being any shorter...

#137. Posted by: stontilam at March 2, 2007 3:02 PM

I too try to adopt a strategy of "no expectations" or "roll with it" when I watch the show. I try.

Ah, but the thing that sticks in my craw about that is that this show did not set itself up to be throwaway, disposable entertainment. You needed to watch, pay close attention, to see all the details. "Two and a Half Men", it purported, this is not.

So what is it, an amusing trifle to watch and forget, or a serious show that provides viewers with more rewarding experiences the more they invest themselves into it?

I think it is the former disguised as the latter.

#138. Posted by: Darryl at March 2, 2007 3:47 PM

Roger Work Man - another anagram? Help me out - best I could come up with is "Work Arm Goner!!" Or perhaps an alien reference "ORK Warmonger"? (from that Happy Day's spinoff)

Perhaps roger was meant to serve as a warning to the LOST cast - DON'T drink and drive!

Hurley chomps on Glacier bars, not Appollo bars... have we seen Glacier bars before?

I don't think this was so much intended to reveal how Hurley became fat as it was meant to show how big a factor his dad leaving was in his life.

Time to add Hurley to the growing list of Lostaways with big-time Daddy issues!

Could 305 be a compass bearing and not a bible passage? (Lift up your eyes and look North John 3:05) I was remembering how Benry told Michael to follow compass bearing 325.

Lastly, I'm in Mac's corner on this ep. (Asian Reporter) Tricia Tanaka might call this one a "puff piece", but I got nearly as many laughs from the show this week as from mac's recap. Perhaps going into this knowing it was a Hurley story with Cheech guest starring framed my expectations. (That, plus I spent some time in Eric Foreman's basement around 9:45pm)

#139. Posted by: vacc at March 2, 2007 3:48 PM

"I realize I might be setting myself up for some zingers, but can any of you women tell me what Kate wants Sawyer to apologize for exactly?

→ Posted by: kilorooster at March 2, 2007 12:52 PM "

Actually, I thought Kate was referring to Sawyer basically accusing her of having sympathy sex with him. I could be wrong, but that was my take.

#140. Posted by: AmyK at March 2, 2007 4:03 PM


I couldn't agree more; Wed's episode was indeed vintage LOST.

I totally enjoyed "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" - every single second. (Yes even Nikki/Paolo) But after reading such negative reviews and opinions here on this blog, I sat down to re-watch it.

Look, everyone is entitled to their ideas and this forum allows us to share them. BUT, most of you guys need to give it another chance. It's fantastic! The dialogue, the acting, the music, the entire tempo of this episode just rocks! What's better than a Hurley episode? It was light and upbeat, Dude.

Some of you were bummed that there was little plot development, and I agree that there wasn't much. However, Charlie faced his fear of death...Hurley faced the fear of his curse...Kate/Sayid/Locke are headed to save Jack...and most importantly, Vincent made a cameo. :)

This show is amazing; and I, for one, loved that the writers decided to give us this episode to JUST ENJOY!

#141. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at March 2, 2007 4:07 PM

look...I really enjoyed this ep too. I think it was designed to get us "connected" with the characters again. Show us their humanity and free will that the others don't have. I don't dwell on the "progress" made or not made towards answering the many mysteries of the island. In fact, if we were spoon fed the answers this type of forum would not be so enjoyable. There were lots of plot points in the episode anyway. the stuff. If my patients knew why I was running a little late they'd be pissed. For all you grumpies, relax and enjoy the show!

#142. Posted by: SF at March 2, 2007 4:17 PM

A note on music, in the 'nothing is accidental' part of observation:

At some point the background music (was it in Hurley's house?) was New World Symphony by Dvorak.

Stranger in a Strange Land from last week is not only a novel (which I couldn't draw any real connection to other than Jack being a foreigner - but it's been years..) is also not 1 but 3 songs - one by Metallica and 2 others. Haven't heard any of them.

Does anyone with more music history knowledge than I posess have anything to add?

#143. Posted by: Helen at March 2, 2007 4:25 PM

I'm definitely in the "roll with it" group of fans. i can however see where people are coming from who are disppointed. It doesn't seem to be just that people want answers, but that the writers are going out of their way to not give the answers. i.e. characters acting out of character--like Sawyer not getting more info from Carl, or characters doing illogical things--such as not investgating the dart and not showing more interest in the map. Its not so much that the questions aren't answered, its that they are being a bit clumsy in their efforts to conceal information. That said, those aren't big enough problems to me. I love this show and I'm willing to be patient with any missteps the writers might take. An ambitious show like this is enormously difficult to pull off, so I'm willing to put up with a few mistakes and give them some leeway. I believe when all is said and done the whole of the series will be more than the sum of its parts.
I enjoyed Cheech in this ep, but I found it a little distracting to have him on the show. they've had other recognizable stars on the show before, but usually character actors who you don't generally remember their name right away. But Cheech is Cheech and no amount of goofy hair on his head is going to keep him from being Cheech. On a character driven show, he wasn't a character. He was just Cheech. I guess it's a good thing it wasn't a very heavy(aside from Hugo's weight) backstory or the casting might have been a little too disappointing to me.
Also, is Vincent the Smoke monster? It would explain a lot!
The ep where jin was speaking english was a dream.

#144. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 2, 2007 4:49 PM

@stontilim: No, "Jan" and "Isabel" are not played by the same actress (

@Jay: The producers have already told us that the "Adam and Eve" episode WILL pay off . . . and that it will prove that they have known what they are doing all along.

Frankly, I agree that this very much had the fun, character-driven "Season 1" feel to it. Cuse and Lindelof told us that Season 3 would be more character-driven, anyway, because they received too many complaints about Season 2's mythology-driven plots.

It truly is perfectly fine for people to dislike an episode of Lost . . . and maybe we should respect people's opinions. However, I *do* feel it's disrespectful to claim that "the writers don't know what they're doing," or that two undeveloped characters are "useless" - folks, we DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM YET! Once we get their backstories, and see how they fit in with the show, THEN we can decide whether they are useless.

As Mac posted in "Numbers," Hurley was pretty much the plucky comic-relief with no real story point . . . until we discover that the most tragic events of his life are connected to the island by a string of bizarre numbers. Nikki and Paolo haven't done anything, I agree. They were also thrust rather violently upon us. And, maybe, they will prove useless to the story.

But until they either do something, or spend the rest of the season being background characters with minimal dialogue, it isn't fair to the writers to judge their ability to tell a story.

This was long, and I apologize. Everyone is going to feel differently about certain episodes, and that's fine. It's NOT fine that we are personally judging the writers and producers for our own picky, stupid opinions.

#145. Posted by: TwistedCactus at March 2, 2007 4:52 PM

> someone noticed THE islandpicture on the wall during Hugo's dinner with his parents double click to max.the picture...!

good catch - that is really neat. The producers think of everything, it seems.

#146. Posted by: ButchM at March 2, 2007 5:05 PM

>Stranger in a Strange Land from last week is not only a novel (which I couldn't draw any real connection to other than Jack being a foreigner - but it's been years..) is also not 1 but 3 songs - one by Metallica and 2 others. Haven't heard any of them.

>Does anyone with more music history knowledge than I posess have anything
to add?

"Stranger in a Strange Land" is a lot older that that. It's from the Bible, as Heinlein well knew. See:

Exodus 2:22 (KJV)
And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.

#147. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 2, 2007 5:28 PM

First of all, Mac thank you for all of the hard work that you put into this blog every week. Please don't lose faith in us and stop writing - you are half the fun of Lost. Now onto the comments...

One of the things that I noticed that no one else has mentioned is that the Losties finally have something that as far as I can tell the Others don't - a car and a way to get from point A to be without walking. I think that this might be important down the road.

The dart and why Kate and Sawyer didn't discuss: Kate said they only had to pass the treeline to get to their camp. I think that if I had been kidnapped, shot at, basically canoed in the ocean, and walked for miles and was that close to "home" I wouldn't stop either.

The map that no one looked at: The people at the van aren't the typically investigative characters. If Locke had been there he would have ripped that map out of Sawyers hands. Saywer was only concerned in the items he could claim. Jin is still learning english, and Hurley was wrapped up in getting the van to run. I think that the map and all of that trash in the van will be important later on.

#148. Posted by: ac at March 2, 2007 5:39 PM

@Helen - to your point on the music and that nothing is by accident - go back to "Flashes Before Your Eyes"... as Desmond approached Charlie, the words he was singing from the Oasis song Wonderwall : "maybe.. You're gonna be the one that saves me"

@Jay & @TwistedCactus : Ever since the Desmond Time Warp, I started to believe that Adam and Eve will turn out to be Desmond and Penny. When Desmond first woke up in a pool of red paint, look at the table in front of him and you see two similar looking stones as the ones from Adam and Eve.

@Jazz @ButchM : Is that the same Island picture seen in Dr. Brooks' office in ep 218 - Dave?

#149. Posted by: vacc at March 2, 2007 5:56 PM

re: Stranger in a Strange Land

Iron Maiden also had a song with that title, which was, as mentioned, referenced from the bible.

re: Negativity

I've been pretty critical at times, and have definately felt very frustrated at various quirks and inconsistancies.

Is the glass half empty, or half full?

In the loosely based words of Chris Rock, it's like playing basketball with someone who is retarded, and calling them for double dribble. You just gotta let some shit slide!

If everytime you tune in, you are waiting for the answer to that specific puzzle that has been bugging you, prepare to always be diappointed! They answers will come as they are needed - let's just hope the writers don't forget to tie up all loose ends before the end!

#150. Posted by: shikotee at March 2, 2007 6:44 PM

Hurley was 6 when his father left. He came back after 17 years. 6+17=23

#151. Posted by: Mr. Cube at March 2, 2007 8:33 PM

I thought that Kate wanted Sawyer to apologise for being a bully. When they fought about leaving Jack and letting Carl go, Sawyer basically steamrolled her and acted like her opinion didn't count.

#152. Posted by: El at March 2, 2007 8:35 PM

@Kristine-Thank you

#153. Posted by: johnny at March 2, 2007 11:26 PM

Could somebody post a link to the review of the "Adam & Eve" episode? I don't remember Adam & Eve.

#154. Posted by: jcs at March 3, 2007 11:51 AM

@jcs : You can read mac's review of the episode that introduced "adam and eve" - 2 decomposed bodies found in a cave on the island - click on the Season One Reviews link in this page and scroll to Key Points from "House of the Rising Sun"

#155. Posted by: vacc at March 3, 2007 12:05 PM

Mac, thanks for the great recap. Always Lovin it!

I enjoyed this ep, too. I just wished they shot (again) a scene with all the castaways sit in a circle with bon fire and hear Charlie singing with his solo guitar.
Dude, that was so LOST.

#156. Posted by: vazirani at March 3, 2007 12:07 PM

does anyone remember the first episode when "patchy" was introduced?

#157. Posted by: kilorooster at March 3, 2007 3:18 PM

am I imagining things....omg...i think maybe im stuck in a time/space continuum.

#158. Posted by: kilorooster at March 3, 2007 3:23 PM

I am with BELost on this one. One could miss this goofy episode of nothing and pick up next week without having missed anything important to the Lost story. This episode might just be the jump the shark moment for my favorite show. Enough said.

#159. Posted by: tony at March 3, 2007 3:36 PM

I enjoyed the episode quite a bit.

I think that a healthy take on this show considers that Lost...

1) has an intriguing mystery/storyline
2) has interesting characters that are easily empathized with
3) has good writers that reward attention to detail (Easter eggs)
4) has producers that have promised a definite ending (4-5 seasons) with answers

I think that the item above that most keeps me coming back is number 4. If the series were open ended it would be a lot harder to stick around.

Re: Nikki and Paolo? They're part of the mystery of the island. Be patient, let the show work its magic as it progresses.

It may be that after all is said and done we may all look back and say, "Boy that was dumb! What were they thinking?" Or it may be that it will be one of the greatest shows of all time. It is too early to judge in the middle of the journey (or symphony : ) I personally am reserving judgment until its all over.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting back, enjoying the ride while getting to know the characters as they develop, and enjoying the mystery as it unfolds.

#160. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 3, 2007 4:05 PM

@vacc--Thank you. I guess it's been too long since Season One!

#161. Posted by: jcs at March 3, 2007 8:07 PM

@ Kilorooster:

We first meet "Patchy" in Season 3, Episode 5...The Cost of Living.

#162. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at March 3, 2007 9:23 PM

This week showed a disturbing trend on the forum. Those of us who didn't like the episode critized the episode, but those us who did like the episode critized those of us who didn't. It adds nothing to the discussion to say that if somebody didn't like the episode, then they should "go away" or that "maybe this show isn't for them" or that they "want the answers spoon-fed to them." Personally, my dissatisfaction with the episode had nothing to do with "not getting answers." I just thought that it was poorly written and didn't seem to distinguish itself from all the other fluff on TV, which was a first for me.

If you liked the episode, then I am glad for you. But it is offensive to insult those of us who didn't. This forum has survived for 3 years based on healthy discussion, but like many many forums on the internet, it would go downhill quickly with an increase of personal attacks or insults.

There, my two pennies!

#163. Posted by: KG at March 4, 2007 9:16 AM

@kilorooster re: Kate

I think Kate fell in to her usual pattern of sleeping with whoever she has a major emotional moment with her but this time she can't run far away so she decides to go after Jack on her own. Remember she was running from the bank robbery, her own husband, accidentally killing her friend, intentionally killing her step-father, etc.

#164. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 4, 2007 9:44 AM

"""I gotta say, my quote of the night was when Sawyer called Hurley "Jumbotron" and Hurley came back with "Shut up," Sawyer's response? "Touche." Most brilliant Lost exchange ever."""""

→ Posted by: Stef at March 1, 2007 12:38 PM

This was very funny

#165. Posted by: IAMCOOL at March 4, 2007 10:12 AM

O Gosh.....I just had this terrible realization looking at my calendar that, because of upcoming commitments on the west coast, I will miss the next two Wednesday nights of LOST . . . at least, “live”. It will be the middle of the month when I get back to my DVR.

So, Mac, & old friends from last season, and newbies this season, I’m looking forward to the review(s) and comments when I get home. It’s been somewhat a rocky and uneven ride so far this season. There have been UP episodes and DOWN episodes and a few just didn’t get on the escalator at all, but there’s still a lot of time left - and obviously - a great deal of probability and opportunity for some great story action in the future episodes. Let’s give all the themes time to realign.

I must admit, poster “KG’ has a valid point about “healthy discussion”. We certainly don’t need “personal attacks or insults” to be part of the equation here. When “Darryl” posts that he “adopts a strategy of ‘no expectations’ and just rolls with the show", he makes a credible point. The volatility occurs when there are others who have “GREAT expectations” and feel a bit disappointed in the outcome of a specific episode. I watch LOST because it IS imaginary and entertaining and it’s fun to try to outguess what some writer will do with us each week. And grouse because he or she fooled me again! But let’s remember, it’s just TV. It’s entertainment. We’ve all decided to escape into it for “the fun of it” and regardless of our emotional commitment to the show, it is, after all, just MAKE BELIEVE. It’s not real.

REAL is gangs in our inner cities, drug pushers, unemployment, homelessness, and hundreds of innocent people and our own young men and women dying in a war on the other side of the world. These are issues worthy of our “real emotion”!

Britney, Paris, and Anna Nicole do NOT fit on this list! They’re not “real” either.

Have a good time and live blessed in the weeks ahead. davidrh.

#166. Posted by: davidrh at March 4, 2007 11:46 AM

Sayid: John... John! What is it that you see in there?

Locke: Bodies... three of them. They're... They're decomposed, but there's plastic, or silicon, or something everywhere.

Sayid: Please John, allow me to see.

**Locke moves away from the small hole and Sayid peers in.

Sayid: You are right John. What horrors did they practice here.

Locke: I don't know. Maybe-

Sayid: Wait! I see labels tied to the wrists. I can just reach... ... ... There... Anna Nicole, Britney, Paris... John, what can this mean?

Locke: What can this- ... ... 4 8 15 16 23 42 ... 4 8 15 16 23 42 ...

Sayid: The numbers John? What relevance have they here?

Locke: Not numbers Sayid... not numbers... Vital statistics.

#167. Posted by: Danny at March 4, 2007 3:42 PM

In response to the "We Want Answers Now!" faction who complained that this episode did nothing to advance the plot:

To expand on davidrh's "Sonata Allegro" form analogy, in every great opera there are moments when the plot comes grinding to a halt and the composer allows one or two characters to express themselves in depth, and gives a great opportunity for the singers/performers to strut their stuff as well. We all know these little sections as "arias" and it's usually where the most hummable tunes and recognizable music occurs.
Well, that's what this episode was. It was Hurley's "aria." No, the plot didn't advance much, but it gave Jorge a chance to shine and run the gamut of his emotional repertoire. All in all, it was a memorable performance with some truly "hummable" quotes. Next week we'll get back to the fast-action, plot-driving recitatives.
(Sorry if that's confusing. Music major here!)

Question: When Hurley was sitting by the tree praying for help, did it sound like he was just repeating the numbers? I couldn't tell because it went by so fast, but that's what it sounded like to me. And it reminded me of the season 1 finale when he was iterating the numbers on the way to blow up the hatch. Is that his way of breaking the curse--to "pray" to the all-powerful numbers? Sounds kinda voodoo-ish if you ask me, but if that's where he gets his help from...

And about the Kate/Sawyer apology thing, I also took it to mean she wanted him to apologize for his accusation of her having sympathy sex with him, and for him being cold to her in order to mask how much he really cares about her. That guy is whipped big time but he'll never let her know that. Ahh....Maybe he can't let anyone else love him until he learns how to love himself. (HAHA! I love being pseudo-psychological! But enough of that sh*t.)

#168. Posted by: Trinity at March 5, 2007 12:04 AM

Gregg Nations is a script coordinator for the show. He usually talks w/ fans on the message boards. I asked him if we'd find out about Roger "Work Man" in a Ben flashback. He doesn't come out and give away anything, he just told me to check in after next weeks eppy.
Take it for what it's worth.
I re-watched the first couple of eppy's of season one and I will not be shocked if someone discovers lab dog bones later this season. The producers say that a big question is answered at very beginning of the show. Vincent is w/ Jack when he wakes up. Smokey can take on different forms so I think he takes on the form of a dead lab-Vincent.
When Michael is looking for Walt, he seems pretty sure that Vincent is dead...until Jack says he saw Vincent in the woods. Comments?

#169. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 5, 2007 8:33 AM

RE: Kate/Sawyer apology - Sorry if it was said, but I came to understand that Kate wanted Sawyer to apologize for a few things. Ya the 'sexy-time' is pro'ly part of it. But I thought the bulk was her asking him to apologize for refusing to go back and get Jack while on 'alcatraz'. He said they had to leave now and Kate wanted to go back. That's why she's so f'n gung-ho to get back there...oh ya and the whole love thingy might play in a bit.

#170. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 5, 2007 10:35 AM

Hi Mac, great recap (as usual) and pardon me if i'm so late!
Me and my girlfirend found the last ep a real cool one. It was both a great piece of comedy (with the Hurley-centric story shining with amazing Sawyerisms and skillful acting), but most of all, a major season's turnig point.
I mean, anyone beside me think that finally the beachies are showing some recovering from the kidnap/implosion-shock that stunned 'em till season 2 finale?
Look, the fab-four get woke up by the dharmacoaster ride, as seen in the homecoming scene (Charlie and Jin back to their mates with renewed energy and passion, Hurley in wanderlust mode feeling free again, and Sawyer, although alone, is definitely feeling something positive too). They are back on track.
Helping Hurley fulfilling his quest, they felt something too. They experienced a good feeling that believed lost forever due the last adversities. As Sawyer said to Hurley . "This is the wrong island to looking for hope. There's no hope here."
That was BEFORE their little-big adventure. Fixing the van showed 'em that actually THERE is hope, and that was a major boost for all of them.
Without to count that the action-men (Sayid, Locke and Kate) are on the warpath again.
I, just like the losties, felt a new hope raging in this show. I think they're defintely up to something, and i can't wait to see next week's ep to know what Patchy hides in the Flame (beside a rack of guns, a new Dharma Orientation Premiere and a Chessmaster 3000).
Just my opinions here, maybe a bit cheesy, maybe already told, but i feel they could be really important on the show's dynamics.
And i'll close with a "Forget About My Poor Eglish"
Keep the faith, Mac!!

#171. Posted by: Not_THAT_Alex at March 5, 2007 10:44 AM

Another hilarious moment from this ep...when Hurley's mom tells Cheech that they got their butlers from Bennigan's. Loved it! The writing in this show is so great from just a simple dialog point of view. I still had no problems with the ep and wouldn't mind if there were more like it in the future.

#172. Posted by: JoePike at March 5, 2007 10:45 AM

@ tony: glad to know I wasn't the only one! We've talked about shark jumping so much on this forum, I can't believe the possibility of the arrival of said event didn't spark in more minds.

@Jay, I think I definitely find myself in your third hybrid camp, altho I probably tend to pendulum (can I borrow that from MAC?) back and forth depending on where the show is and where I am. Hey, I love the comedy, I love the actors and storylines (MOST of all!), and I love the mystery and suspense. So sue me if I like to see some of each in every eppy. Like I said, I still love the show and I will be here (with the show and this forum) till the end. And if I want to grow up to be just like Mac someday, then who's to say that it is wrong for me to dream???

@joepike, et al: I could be wrong, but I think much of our disdain and dislike for Paolo and Nikki stems from the fact that their acting and their dialogue just plain SUCKS!!! Can I say that here? Oh well, sensor if necessary for our younger audience members...

#173. Posted by: BELost at March 5, 2007 11:04 AM

@Not_THAT_Alex : I like your take on this episode instilling a new hope in our lostaways. Perhaps the writers should've named this ep. "A New Hope" and added a George Lucas type intro:

Episode CCCX


It is a period of civil war.

A team of Survivors, striking

from a VW micro bus, have won

their first victory against

the evil Dharma Others.

During the battle, Survivor

spies managed to steal secret

plans to the Other's

ultimate weapon, the FLAME

HATCH, an armored island

bunker with enough power to

destroy an entire island.

Pursued by the Other's

sinister agents, Kate and

Sawyer race home aboard their

rowboat, custodian of the

stolen plans that can save

their fellow castaways and restore

freedom to the island...

#174. Posted by: vacc at March 5, 2007 11:23 AM

I loved this episode. I can't believe that some are complaining that this episode didn't move the plot along. What about the two previous episodes? "Flashes Before Your Eyes" only told us that Charlie is a marked man. Oh yea, and that the universe has a way of course correcting. How did that move the plot? That episode, for me anyway, brought up more questions than answers.
"Stranger in a Strange Land" told us how Jack got his tattoos, yet it did not tell us why he was in Thailand. Granted, it did tell us that the others live on the same island that the Losties live on, though I am still not totally convinced of that.
This episode gave the Losties a map, which will surley come into play shortly. It also gave them a vehicle, which will probably be forgotten, just like the army thing and other various plans. I think that it this episode is also a turning point. Everyone seems to regrouping their thoughts or mentality, if you will. Seems like something big will happen soon. I think that the return of Kate and Sawyer will give the other Losties hope. I think the flame of hope will be fanned by Sawyer, Jin, Charlie, and Hurley. I know that if I were on that island and a van that had gas that old started up, I would think that anything would be possible. (I would probably be looking skyward for falling pig feces.)

#175. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 5, 2007 12:05 PM

You guys need to just chill out and enjoy the show for once. This episode was hilarious!

#176. Posted by: perrin at March 5, 2007 12:34 PM

@MrEko327....thanks for the Gregg Nations info...I had no idea

#177. Posted by: Vikki at March 5, 2007 1:51 PM

Hey Mac,

Great Ep and Great Recap. You've got your MOJO back baby. Not that it ever really left, just that for a while it was brooding mojo. Funny recap. You hit all the right spots as always.

I do have one observation, re: charlie and the "death mission". Charlie might have agreed to go with the belief that if he was going to die in the van that Des would stop him and save him yet again. If I had a precog watching my back I wouldn't be too worried about what would befall me, especially if he had already saved me once or twice. So it looks as though we might see Charlie taking a few more chances, well, once the same thought occurs to him that is.

#178. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 5, 2007 2:58 PM

Guys - mac's name is NOT capitalized! :) Okay, English teaching aside...

@ Mr. Grimm - All the scenes that led up to the episode made me think exactly that, Hurley is testing the fact that Desmond can see "flashes" into the future. He tested it this time with Charlie. I'm not sure if it was Charlie doing the testing.

#179. Posted by: meg at March 5, 2007 5:30 PM

@vacc- well done!

#180. Posted by: green at March 5, 2007 8:30 PM


>Guys - mac's name is NOT capitalized! :) Okay, English teaching aside...

Really? Scroll down a few lines past the comment box, and look at this:

"Lost Blog: Where's Mac?"

Written by Himself.

#181. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 5, 2007 11:46 PM

@Batteries Included
Well, done! Join our Hope Crusade!

Did you forget the "A long time ago in an island far, far away....."?

@Cecil Rose

#182. Posted by: Not_THAT_Alex at March 6, 2007 6:35 AM

I tell ya what - if I'm Charlie and I'm gonna be cashing in my chips - leastwise according to a naked drunken Scotsman - then I'm gonna go out with a little style and dignity and aplomb. I ain't gonna be sittin' on no stinkin' beach with no crab-ass baby pukin' on my sweat-stained t-shirt waitin' for no bolt of lightning to come take me to that Great (street corner) Gig in the Sky. It's all about choices and hope and living your life to the fullest no matter the cards that your dealt. To quote Maximus Decimus Meridius (Gladiator): I knew a man once who said, "Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back."

#183. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 6, 2007 8:53 AM

I like the Mad Max 3 Beyond Thunderdome moment....On the count of three..One...YANK!

#184. Posted by: redhotryan at March 6, 2007 11:43 AM

@ vacc:
"If you can read this, you don't need glasses."


#185. Posted by: Trinity at March 6, 2007 4:05 PM

@ Cecil Rose - Okay, you got me....but, my name isn't. lol

What are some ideas on Patchy? I think he's watching the others, maybe not truly one of them.

#186. Posted by: meg at March 6, 2007 5:14 PM

@ meg

"What are some ideas on Patchy? I think he's watching the others, maybe not truly one of them."

The producers have said that there are factions of the Others on the island. I wonder if he is part of "anOther" faction or just out there on his own like Danielle Rousseau?

#187. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 6, 2007 5:31 PM

My above post about factions of the Others got me to thinking...

There are several times that the Others (Ben and Tom that I can recall) have said something to the effect of, "We are the good guys here." I've always thought of this statement as the Others saying that they are good in comparison to the Losties. But what if they were calling themselves good in comparison to the other Others? What if there are Others that are just plain brutal?

This would open up a whole new way of viewing Benry and clan. What if the line that Zeke/Tom drew in the jungle was for their own protection from the brutal Others? It's something to think about anyway.

#188. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 6, 2007 10:50 PM

Thanks for the new photo of Hurley!

#189. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 7, 2007 11:19 AM

I'd like to see Patchy end up being the head of island security. Ben obviously knows everything that's happening on this island. He's got a viewing room with cameras all over the place, including all hatches. So he has to be aware that Patchy is hangin' out. If this is the case, he may be the one controling the smoke monster. He is provided 'the list' of all the losties from Ethan/Goodwin, get's the dirt on them from the mainland, downloads it to Smokey, and programs it to go out and F w/ people, scare them away. When someone get's too close to understanding how Smokey operates, they DIE (i.e. Ecko).

Holy stretch Batman. We shall see.

#190. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 7, 2007 11:28 AM

Hey gang,

Kristin Veitch over on Yahoo! TV is reporting a major spoiler. I won't post it here...a lot of folks don't like spoilers, and those who do can go look for themselves.

Let's just say that somebody with daddy issues is gonna have one more reason to kvetch...just like Luke and Darth...

#191. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 7, 2007 1:12 PM

@meg (note capitalization)

>What are some ideas on Patchy? I think he's watching the others, maybe not truly one of them.

I liked the idea of the nanobot cloud, as being the only pseudo-scientific rationalization I could accept, but others have said that the writers ruled that one out, so it's just one more of the issues on hold to see if the writers can deliver on their promise that all the mysteries have rational, non-magical explanations.

Anyone remember "Daybreak"? The "Lost" midseason filler that got cancelled half way through the gap? I actually thought it was a pretty decent show, and have watched the final episodes as they were delivered over the net. Remember how they promised that it would all be wrapped up and all the mysteries explained by the final?

Well ABC's finally delivered the finale, after missing several announced delivery dates, and I’ve seen the whole series now.

For those not familiar with it, Taye Diggs plays an LA detective who's relieving a single day "Groundhog Day" style. The first time through his day he finds himself framed for a murder, and his girl friend murdered by sinister forces. He uses the knowledge he gains each time through his repeating day to gradually uncover all the elements of the plot, and counter each move of the sinister forces and bring them to justice. Along the way, we learn that, unlike "Groundhog Day" he carries with him, not only the knowledge he gains each day, but any physical changes to himself - a bullet wound in one day is still present when he wakes up the next time in the same day, but gradually heals as he progresses through the "days". Thus, he can apparently be killed, unlike the Bill Murray character who offs himself in various amusing ways in "Groundhog Day".

So did ABC deliver on the promise to reveal all the mysteries by the final episode. Yes and no. Yes, they revealed all the complicated details of the conspiracy that is framing Diggs.


This is incredibly frustrating, as the details of the plot, however interesting to the character, are nowhere near as important to the viewer as the central question: How come this guy's living in a repeating day over and over again?

This is a theme that's been repeated in quite a few movies. We have more or less similar plots in

"Groundhog Day" no explanation - the karma of the universe straightening out a jerk, perhaps

"It's Wonderful Life" - Angelic Intervention

"12:01" - Shock from an electric current

"2:01 PM" - Physics experiment gone awry

"Premonition" - New Sandra Bullock film advertised but not yet released, so don't know why

"Boxing Helena" - (A stretch) and others like it - It was all a dream

"Lost" - Desmond's (apparent) dilemma - Who knows?

So here's what I greatly fear. Lost comes to a conclusion. The writers wrap up some mysteries like who the Others are and why they behave as they do. But they leave others completely unexplained, like what the smoke monster is or how the island heals people. If so, count me among the completely disgruntled.

I realize posting this so late in the cycle, relatively few people will read it. It Mac doesn't object, I'll repost it on tomorrows episode as well because I'd like to see more comments on smokey's nature.

BTW, do you prefer "Mac" or "mac"?

#192. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2007 2:53 PM

After writing the long post above I realize meg was talking about Patchy, not Smokey. I'm an idiot, apparently, but the main point remains.

#193. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 7, 2007 2:57 PM

@Cecil Rose
Unanswered questions remain a possibility and in all likelyhood, a probability. I think they introduced so many fascinating mysteries that they could run this show for many years and never answer them all.

One example of this is on ST: TNG. If you watched that show remember that one season finale involved the Federation Council being taken over by some sort of mind-control worm but they are exposed with the payoff being something like 'we have to find out where they came from'. Next season (and forever) THEY NEVER MENTION THEM AGAIN! Whahuh?
I hope this is not the case but I think we could spend many days asking unanswered questions just up to this point.

#194. Posted by: Piecesof Arzt at March 7, 2007 3:20 PM

@ransomjackson- Where can I find the spoilers from Kristin Veitch on Yahoo! TV?

#195. Posted by: green at March 7, 2007 3:56 PM

@Cecil Rose - Thanks for noting that. I was just playing around about mac and Mac. Remember last year when everyone was so picky about errors? Just poking a little fun.

Yes, I would like to think (hope) all mysteries would be wrapped up nicely. It's a shame that when they don't bring a series to a conclusion (or do) that they don't have some type of article or something to solve all mysteries. Even a book - I would sure invest in it. Anyway, I'll be late posint after tomorrow's review, as usual, due to the late time (old ladies turn in early!). Five hours to go!

#196. Posted by: meg at March 7, 2007 5:15 PM

This episode did not add to the plot at all .It is by far the worst episode ever. And Im beginning to think that the writers are completly lost . Take it up a notch its getting boring .

#197. Posted by: mohammed almoayyed at March 8, 2007 5:34 AM

I thought it ruled.

#198. Posted by: josh at March 8, 2007 9:11 AM

@ green et al,

Try this...

Looking forward to Mac's review of last night's show...

#199. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 8, 2007 9:58 AM

--Yes, this episode ruled...somehow, viewers cannot identify that this episode was the very type that the first one and one-half seasons were made of...the very ones that created the LOST phenomena.

--re: magnets and compass - they did not appear to work properly before the hatch implosion.

#200. Posted by: JT at March 8, 2007 12:10 PM

I liked the episode. for a supposedly rubbish episode people sure did have a lot to comment about it. compared to some of the last few.

#201. Posted by: David_Don at March 14, 2007 11:10 AM

Apologies if this was already stated, but Hurley's boss at Mr. Clucks, Randy, was/is also Locke's boss at the box company that Hurley owned!

#202. Posted by: Matt (Unti) at March 17, 2007 1:43 AM

3-10 - Tricia Tanaka is Dead

Hurley boosts morale
Raising a van from the dead
While Kate seeks Rousseau

#203. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 20, 2008 2:11 AM


Hurley boosts morale
Raising a van from the dead
While Kate seeks Rousseau

#204. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 20, 2008 2:18 AM