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Key Points from "Enter 77"

Season 3, Episode 11
Episode Air Date: 03/07/07

Point 1
Sayid

Locke

Kate
"Enter 77" fits into a "Lost" sub-genre: the "Dharma discovery episode." These episodes are marked by rapid-fire clues, dense details, and special guest appearances by Dr. Marvin Candle. (They also take an ungodly amount of time to recap ... so thanks for that, Damon and Carlton).

We've seen two previous Dharma discovery episodes -- "Orientation" and "?" -- and both became quite important in the show's mythology. Given what we learn in this week's episode, "Enter 77" could prove to be even more pivotal than its Dharma-discovery predecessors.

Or it could be a total one-off that's forgotten in two weeks (but I doubt it).

So let's get to the recap.

At the conclusion of "Tricia Tanaka is Dead," Kate enlisted Rousseau in her Jack Rescue Plan by dangling an "Alex carrot" in front of Rousseau's face. The carrot works beautifully, because as this episode picks up, Rousseau has joined Kate, Sayid and Locke on a journey toward ... well, we -- and they -- don't really know where they're going.

The ambiguity of the excursion is wearing on Sayid, and he expresses his growing displeasure to the group's tour guide, Locke. Sayid says they've been dutifully following a compass bearing of 305 for their entire trip, yet they have nothing to show for it. Obi-Locke smiles quietly and plays with his Jedi robe. All in good time, Sayid.

Sidenote: Sayid's compass bearing is different from the direction Ben gave Michael at the conclusion of "Live Together, Die Alone." Ben told Michael to follow a bearing of 325, not 305. I'm not sure if there's any connection between these details, but there you go.

The ambiguous journey turns into the Fantastic Journey when Sayid later discovers a brown cow munching foliage. A jungle cow is anomaly on its own, but this particular cow also sports a big ol' cowbell. A short whistle rings from nearby, and the cow meanders back through the trees in response. Sayid follows Bessie through the brush, and that's when he sees ...

A new hatch!

And ...

The Patch guy!

Okay, so the building isn't a real hatch. It's an above-ground structure with a door and a roof and a yard (complete with a second cow, a horse outfitted in a saddle and a ratty old cat). It's actually quite refreshing to encounter a Dharma building that's not shoved into a sequoia or carved into 40-feet of limestone.

As for Patch guy, we first encountered this one-eyed bandit back in The Cost of Living." He briefly appeared on one of the televisions in the Pearl Station.

Back to the action ...

Patch moves inside the building, unaware he's being watched. Sayid's eyes lock in on the building's roof, which sports one of those massive satellite dishes from the pre-DirecTV days.

Locke, Kate and Rousseau arrive by Sayid's side, and they all assume the same gawking expression as they gaze upon Sayid's discovery. Sayid says that the building's sizable satellite dish is capable of broadcasting images and sound and porn for thousands of miles.

Rousseau turns on her heel and tells the group she's leaving ... again. She claims that her long-term survival on the island has been predicated on avoidance, and she has no desire to stir up this latest hornet's nest. With that, she scampers toward a nearby stream to wait for Sayid, Locke and Kate's return (or to make friends with a rainbow trout -- either or).

Sayid whips up a quick plan. He drops his rifle and quietly tiptoes through the compound, scanning the grounds for intruders and taking in the sights. His attention is diverted by the ratty old cat. "Oh hiii there, kitty ... helloooo ... helloooo ... who's a good kit..."

BLAM!

Sayid goes down! Sayid's been shot!

"We had a truce!" Patch barks from a window. His voice is marked by a Russian accent.

Kate tries to move in, but Locke holds her back. Patch could easily pop them full of bullets.

Clutching his left shoulder and wincing in pain, Sayid shouts toward Patch: "My name is Sayid Jarrah. I was on a plane that crashed here months ago!"

The eyebrow over Patch's good eye crinkles in confusion. "A plane?" he asks.

Realizing that Sayid isn't a threat (sucka!), Patch closes the window and momentarily disappears inside the building. Locke and Kate seize the opportunity to burst from the treeline and prepare an ambush.

Patch swings the front door open, but he's met by gunfire at his toes. Patch drops his weapon as Kate tends to Sayid and Locke moves closer to the one-eyed shooter.

The tension evaporates as it becomes clear that Sayid will survive (the bullet is lodged in the meaty part of his shoulder). Kate keeps her rifle trained on Patch as Locke gleefully prances into the building. Another hatch! It's another hatch! Woo! Woo!

We'll explore the new Dharma building in just a moment. Right now, we need to take stock of the eye-challenged Dharma drone we've just met. Herein are his biographical details:

Name: Mikhail Bakunin

Birthplace: Kiev, Ukraine

Aliases: Patch, Patchy, Steve Johnson

Birthday: Nov. 12 (same as legendary gymnast Nadia Comaneci)

Favorite Athlete: Nadia Comaneci

Years on Island: 11

Catchphrase: "I am the last living member of the Dharma Initiative."

Relevant Work Experience: Claims to have served in Afghanistan with the Soviet Army; reveals an interest in communications hardware (satellites, radios, etc.); appears to have a cursory knowledge of medicine -- at least enough to dig bullets out of shoulders.

Hobbies: Being alone; tinkering with old computers; spending time with his pet cat, Nadia; cultivating an unhealthy fixation on prepubescent, '70s-era gymnasts.

Professional Organizations: National Honor Society, Cold War Castoffs Association, International Brotherhood of Lying Liars

And here's what we learn about this new Dharma building:

  • It's known as "The Flame."

  • Its purpose, according to Bakunin/Patch, is to communicate with the outside world. Unfortunately, the satellite dish has been out of commission for years (or so we're led to believe ...).
  • The Flame has an open floorplan -- its walls are lined with couches and old recliners. Bookshelves are tucked in corners and old throw rugs are haphazardly arranged on the wooden floor. All in all, it looks like a dorm room crossed with a farmhouse.
  • The building has separate rooms for a kitchen and a computer/communications area. The kitchen isn't really notable, but the computer room has its own TRS80 computer and it's marked by the wires and mainframes typically found in Dharma hatches.
  • Remember that thick electrical wire Sayid discovered way back in "Solitary"? It mysteriously ran out into the ocean, but we had yet to discover where it went or what it did. Now we know. Bakunin says the Flame is the island's hub; wires run from the Flame to the other Dharma stations. The ocean-based wire manages a defunct sonar system that guided Dharma submarines to the island.
  • The wire mystery appears to be solved, but another long-running tech question remains: where is the radio tower? Early in this episode, Rousseau claims to have never visited the Flame. Her 16-year-old distress message is originating from another location.

And now for the really interesting stuff ...

Moments after entering the Flame, Bakunin transforms from steely-eyed gunman to Ricardo Montalbon on "Fantasy Island." Beaming with hospitality, Bakunin uses his rudimentary medical skills to dig the bullet out of Sayid's shoulder while answering Sayid's many, many questions. The Sayid-Bakunin exchange reveals the following details:

  • At some point in the past -- presumably within the last 11 years -- Dharma decided to purge the island of its original inhabitants. Dharma refers/referred to these people as "The Hostiles." (Desmond used this same terminology).
  • Bakunin says the Hostiles have been on the island for a very long time (could they be the source of that massive four-toed statue seen in "Live Together, Die Alone"?).
  • The Dharma-Hostile battle ended badly for Dharma. Bakunin claims that his Dharma comrades were all killed. He was spared because he chose not to participate.
  • Bakunin hasn't seen or heard from the Hostiles in years. Following the "purge," the Hostiles said they would leave him alone if he stayed away from an imaginary line surrounding the island's valley. Bakunin stayed away and the Hostiles kept their word.

It's an unbelievable exchange.

Literally.

Bakunin momentarily leaves the Flame's living room to prepare tea, and, once gone, Sayid tells Kate that there's no way the Hostiles or the Others or the Whoevers would surrender an asset like the Flame. Bakunin isn't with Dharma ... he's with the Hostiles. In addition, Sayid says the saddle mounted on the previously-noted horse is configured for a person much smaller than Bakunin. Bottom line: Bakunin is lying ... and he's not alone.

Bakunin comes back with the tea and for a few moments both sides continue with their faux friendliness. But Sayid pops the friend bubble by revealing/bragging about the Other/Hostile they killed in "The Glass Ballerina" (Sun shot Colleen on the sailboat). Anger carves into Bakunin's face. He rises menacingly, then flings the pitcher of tea at Sayid and cracks Kate across the jaw. The pitcher misses its mark and Sayid responds with a series of body blows and kicks. Kate is sprawled on the floor, unconscious. Locke is holed up in the computer room and can't be bothered to help.

So Sayid and Bakunin beat the crap out of each other, but Sayid ultimately gets the upper hand and Kate wakes at just the right moment to land the knock-out blow with the butt end of a rifle. With Bakunin subdued, Locke flings open the computer room door and points his gun into the living room. Thanks John. Big help.

Sayid tells Locke that another Hostile/Other is hiding in the Flame, but Locke says he searched every nook and cranny of the place and there's no way ...

Oh.

As Locke speaks, Sayid peels back a floor rug and reveals a trap door.

Kate and Sayid open the door and begin to explore the subterranean catacombs beneath the Flame (Dharma can't resist underground lairs). Locke opts to stay topside to watch over Bakunin and continue playing with the Flame's computer.

Down below, Kate and Sayid discover that the Flame is wired with explosives, which is disconcerting since they don't know who controls the trigger (is it Dharma? The Hostiles?). They move deeper into the underground tunnel and soon discover a room outfitted with Dharma instruction manuals and Dharma jumpsuits in a variety of sizes and styles (It's Dharma Big & Tall!). Sayid pages through a "Dharma Initiative Operations Manual" and seems pleased with what he's discovered.

His pleasure is short-lived because the hidden Other is about to make an appearance.

From out of nowhere, a spry little Other pounces on Kate and sends her rifle spinning across the floor. The Other grabs the gun and takes aim at Kate, but Sayid appears and digs his rifle into the back of the little Other's neck.

Kate rises. Her eyes grow as she recognizes ... Mrs. Klugh!

Kate pounds a right hook across Klugh's chin. Kate and Klugh have unfinished business because Klugh played a key role in the abduction of Kate, Sawyer and Jack (she also squealed with delight when Alex inadvertently felt Kate up on the Pala Ferry dock).

Sayid immediately understands Klugh's value, so he steps in before Kate turns Klugh's face to pulp. The trio move back up into the Flame's living room to reconvene with Locke.

But Locke isn't there.

See, Locke turns into a bit of an idiot in this episode. Maybe it's the excitement of a new hatch, or maybe it's the Siren-like lure of a functional computer -- either way, Locke's idiocy causes trouble in "Enter 77."

Let's backtrack for a moment ...

While Sayid and Kate are unearthing clues and battling spry Others in the Flame's basement, Locke abandons the unconscious Bakunin and takes a seat in front of the Flame's computer. Unlike previous Dharma computers, this one has games!

Locke beats the computer at chess, but rather than getting that unsatisfying "You Win!" message, the computer flashes and Dr. Marvin Candle appears on the screen. ("Congratulations, you saved the princess! You can now leave the island.")

Turn out, the chess game is a glorified password prompt. If you beat the computer, you gain access to the the Flame's communications tools. It's a ridiculous system -- video-based instructions? -- but the ever-curious Locke follows Candle's prompts:

"For mainland communication, enter 3-8," Candle says.

Locke presses "3" and "8" on the keyboard.

"The satellite dish is inoperable," Candle says. "Communications are down. For sonar access, enter 5-6."

Locke enters "5" and 6"

"Sonar is inoperable."

Damn you Marvin Candle!

The video continues ...

"Has there been an incursion of the station by the Hostiles?" Candle asks. "If so, enter 7-7."

Locke rubs his chin. His finger hovers over the 7 button, but the surprise appearance of a long, sharp knife at his throat prevents him from pressing it.

Bakunin is conscious, and he doesn't like people messing with his computer.

When Sayid and Kate bring Klugh up into the living room, Bakunin is outside, pointing a gun at Locke's head. A hostage standoff ensues, but it doesn't go the way you'd expect. Klugh speaks to Bakunin in Russian, which gets everyone atwitter because Sayid, Kate and Locke have no idea what's going on. Klugh shouts. Bakunin shouts. Locke shouts. Sayid shouts. Kate pouts.

"Just do it, Mikhail!" Klugh blurts in English.

Bakunin aims his pistol at Klugh and shoots her in the chest!

What the ... she's dead! Bakunin killed his Hostile sister!

Locke, Sayid and Kate rush in and subdue Bakunin. Sayid shoves his rifle into Bakunin's face and Bakunin asks/pleads with Sayid to kill him. Sayid sneers in response. No death for you, Mikhail!

Things settle down and Locke and Kate move back into the Flame to gather supplies and continue fiddling with the computer. Locke regains access to the communications system and this time he successfully presses "7-7."

Yeah. Bad idea.

Outside, Sayid calls to Rousseau and she magically appears with a rainbow trout clenched in her teeth. Together, they march Bakunin into the treeline. Bakunin's energy is sapped, so he's unable to continue his ruse when Sayid asks him for the truth. Bakunin reveals that he was never a member of Dharma, but he did become the Flame's manager after the "purge" battle.

Sayid tells Rousseau -- and brags to Bakunin -- that he now has a way to find the Others. Bakunin mistakenly believes that he's the key. Not so, Mikhail.

See, Sayid's basement investigation revealed a detailed map that shows the electrical infrastructure for the entire island. Producing the map, Sayid shows Rousseau that a number of pipelines lead into an area known as "The Barracks."

Bakunin's face drops. Sayid knows how to find the Others' lair.

With his back against the wall, Bakunin resorts to Bond-villain dialogue. "You will let your guard down, and when you do, I will kill you," he says with absolutely no conviction. Rousseau temporarily regains the ability to think, and she notes that now might be a great time to kill Bakunin. But Sayid likes to make things difficult, and so he opts to let Bakunin live.

Kate and Locke amble out of the Flame and rejoin Sayid and Rousseau. Locke brags about beating the computer at chess and gaining access to the controls and as he ...

BOOOOOOOM!

The Flame erupts in a fireball! The satellite dish and roof are engulfed in flames as a massive explosion rips the building apart!

The group dives for cover. Sayid glares at Locke and demands an explanation.

Locke's face is plastered in that "I was wrong!" look he does so well. "The computer said to enter 7-7 if there was an incursion," he stammers. "I entered 7-7!"

Whoopsie.

And with that, the episode ends.

Sidenote: It's hard to justify Locke's stupidity, especially since he's logged considerable time with Dharma computers. However, I suppose Locke may have believed that the "77" code would send a help signal. In addition, Kate and Sayid never told him about the C4 they discovered in the basement, so maybe if these people talked to each other, The Flame wouldn't have become The Cinder.

Point 2
Sayid The backstory in this episode felt a little forced. Granted, the acting was good and the story itself provides a deeper look at Sayid's "tortured" soul, but much of it felt like filler.

Anyway, the backstory reveals the following:

  • After escaping from Iraq, Sayid assumes a new identity in Paris. He calls himself Najeev and claims to be from Syria.

  • A married Iraqi couple lures Sayid into a trap by enticing him to become a chef at their restaurant. The wife -- a woman named Amira -- believes that Sayid is the man who tortured her while she was incarcerated in Iraq.

  • Sayid is imprisoned and beaten in a restaurant kitchen. Initially, he denies involvement in Amira's torture, but in the final moments, he breaks down and acknowledges his violent past. The backstory's culminating scene is a little confusing because Sayid adamantly -- and convincingly -- denies knowing Amira in the early part of the episode, yet he pulls a full 180 in the closing moments. Is it possible that Sayid didn't have a hand in Amira's torture, but he admits involvement because he wants to atone for his mistakes? Or, was he the actual torturer? And really, does it matter?
  • The cat Sayid sees outside the Flame looks similar to Amira's cat. This is the second time an off-island animal -- or its doppleganger -- makes an on-island appearance. Kate saw a black horse from her past in "What Kate Did." In a future episode, we'll learn that a treefrog killed Sawyer's brother.
Point 3
Sawyer

Hurley
The "B" storyline in this episode revolves around a ping-pong tournament.

Really.

It goes like this: the Hatch's ping-pong table miraculously survived the "incident" (was anything actually destroyed in that explosion/implosion?). The table is brought back to the beach and Sawyer gets an idea: he'll challenge the castaways' best ping-pong player to a match. If Sawyer wins, he can reclaim his stash (which has been divvied up among the survivors). On the flip side, if Sawyer loses he can't use any nicknames for one full week.

Yeah, it's pretty dumb.

Sawyer goes up against Hurley and Hurley turns out to be a world-class ping-pong player (he honed his craft in his mother's basement and in the mental institution). Hurley wins, so Sawyer is now banned from using nicknames for the next seven days.

In a post-ping-pong moment, Hurley tries to ease Sawyer's fears about Kate. I suppose this "comfort" scene is meant to reveal the the depth of Sawyer's feelings for Katie, but haven't they already been made abundantly clear?

And that's all there is to that.

Point 4
Island As usual, I'll close with a few questions and observations:
  • Best line: "A. It was mine when I took it and B. Who are you?" -- Sawyer to Nikki.

  • The "purple sky" incident in "Live Together, Die Alone" is becoming more important with each passing episode. The event's impact on the Others' communication system was mentioned in passing earlier this season, but the purple disruption appears to be much more than a mere glitch. During the Flame scenes, Sayid tells Locke and Kate that the "other Other" (Mrs. Klugh) was probably sent to the remote Flame station to check on the communications breakdown. If this was a simple glitch, the Others probably wouldn't dispatch reinforcements.

    Also, communication with the real world gives the Others power and control over the castaways, but if the lines of communication are down -- and now that the Flame is destroyed, they're really down -- the power between the two factions could be balanced. In time, the "purple sky" incident could prove to be a huge game changer.

  • Speaking of purple skies ... Did the hatch implosion "fix" the island's magnetism? I ask because "Enter 77" shows Sayid using a compass. At the beginning of season one, compasses didn't work on the island.

  • I'm intrigued by the "purge" that took place between Dharma and the Hostiles. When did it happen? How did it happen? Is Ben some sort of war hero? Did certain Dharma members switch sides? How does Juliet fit into it?

  • And finally ... a completely random bit of nothingness: I wonder if actors whose characters wear eye patches have a hard time readjusting to "normal" vision. I ask because way back in my youth, I once worked as an Easter Bunny at my parents' store (no, I won't elaborate, thankyouverymuch). The eyeholes in the bunny head were placed way too far apart and my peripheral vision was screwed up for days. I imagine an eye patch would lead to similar problems. Anyone know for sure?
  • That's all I've got!

    Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Par Avion" -- Claire's rescue plan makes Charlie twitchy. Elsewhere, the Jack Rescue Party trudges on. Airs Wednesday, Mar. 14, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.




Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.


you're the best mac, thanks for another great review!

#1. Posted by: ct at March 8, 2007 12:36 PM

did i win?

#2. Posted by: adam at March 8, 2007 12:36 PM

LOST is back, baby!!!!!

What an amazing episode. Wow. Wow. Wow.

#3. Posted by: KG at March 8, 2007 12:37 PM

Translation I found of Klugh's and Patchy's Russian exchange:

Mrs. Klugh: Mikheil, you know what to do.

Patchy: ...Do we have a chance?

Klugh: We can't risk it... you know the circumstances.

Patchy: ... there IS another way..

Klugh: You know what to do, that is an order.

Patchy: We've GOT ANOTHER WAY!

Klugh: Do it Mikheil!

Patchy: I AM SORRY! (Shoots Klugh)

There also some bare bones translations of the type-written pages Locke found that seemed to suggest his name is not Mikhail or he's pretending to be someone else and just memorizing lines from that person's memoires.

#4. Posted by: Trinity at March 8, 2007 12:40 PM

YES!!!!!! Lost is back!!! Last night was the reason I have hung in there through all the dross.

#5. Posted by: El at March 8, 2007 12:42 PM

P.S. My Russian skills are even barer than bare bones, but I did recognize the word "revolution" on one of the pages.

#6. Posted by: Trinity at March 8, 2007 12:42 PM

Great review, Mac.

Our losties are certainly taking a toll on the island's infrastructure. Let's see…two hatches blowed up, several (I've lost count) Others killed, one polar bear iced…

Our friend Locke (aka El Destructo) is all but turning into Gilligan…once he blows up the sub I think he'll have completed his metamorphosis.

Question - Have they ever truly explained why the plane crashed? Was Locke playing chess with Oceanic 815's computer?

#7. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 8, 2007 12:51 PM

Great recap Mac, thanks!
See the difference dropping a few juicy tidbits makes?
This episode is more of what season 1 was all about. Even with the extra fluff (ping pong challenge) and emotional filler (Sahid backstory) the episode still was able to answer some questions while generating new ones.
Personal note: if you Tivo the show and then start watching it 20 minutes into it you can fast forward all the commercials and still end at 11 PM (EST). I guess I just ticked off the sponsors of the show with that.

#8. Posted by: RC at March 8, 2007 12:58 PM

I don't buy for a minute that Rousseau has never seen The Flame before - something seemed odd in that scene.

In another forum, somebody pointed out while the saddle was setup for somebody shorter than Patch, Mrs. Klugh would be too tall as well, but it would be just right for ... Rousseau
(would have to see screen caps of the horse, Rousseau & Klugh to be sure)

Also pointed out elsewhere - Dr. Candle's left hand might be artificial. In the screen cap I saw it certainly looked odd to say the least.

#9. Posted by: Zizzy at March 8, 2007 12:59 PM

Locke wants to be behind a desk.. that is his destiny.

#10. Posted by: alltogetherseperate at March 8, 2007 12:59 PM

While watching tonight's 9pm episode, I was forced to take an important phone call during the last 10 minutes. Luckily, I knew that the episode was on again at 10pm! I decided to jot down some observations while watching the 2nd time around.

My thoughts... (written before reading Mac's sum up)

1) Ping Pong - Wager seemed kinda weak. One week of no name calling VS all sorts of stuff that everyone is collectively using. I just can't see everyone else agreeing to this wager - they must have known Hugo was a ringer. Poor Sawyer - his con skills have really gone to the shitter. His feelings for Kate have really f-ed up his sense of judgement, as we have seen when he released Carl.

2) And speaking of shitter - I couldn't help but chuckle at Paulo heading out to drop some anchor with "Guns and Ammo" reading material, along with some good old fashioned Dharma TP. No doubt, he is missing the use of the toilet from the other station....

3) The cat - This cat is what distracts Sayid before he is shot. No doubt, it brought back the memory of the backstory cat. Do you think Patchy was messing with him when he called the cat Nadia? The preview for the next episode indicates that Patchy knows Locke and Sayid by name. As the communication guru, he was the one who dug up the info on everyone (ie the file Juliet had on Jack). Others love mind games - so I wonder if he called the cat Nadia knowing full well that this could affect Sayid. Just before the episode ends, Sayid glimpses at the cat again, and then walks away... what up with that?

4) Rousseau - It felt weird that we were not allowed to experience Rousseau's reaction to the info about Alex. But, as she is with the crew, we assume that she is all for hunting down her daughter. After todays episode, more than ever, I am really beginning to believe that Rousseau is a liar, and likely an other. She is reluctant to go to the Flame station, and claims she has never seen it before. Heck - her justification seems reasonable - that she has survived on the island by avoiding such encounters. This is the same crazy lady who kidnapped Claire's baby, allegedly hoping she could trade for her daughter with the Others? She seemed like she was willing to do anything to hunt Alex down, but then suddenly is not in for checking out a strange building? We know that the Others are amazing liars, and I think Rousseau for sure fits that criteria. Also, she really tries to pressure Sayid into killing Patchy. For whatever reason, members of the others are completely willing to die when they have been compromised, as we have seen several times, especially with the death of Mrs Klugh. Rousseau is an uber-other!

5) Patchy - as mentioned - like many others, is a great liar. So - when he provides info about Dharma, is he lying? At the end of the episode, he claims that the only falsification was that he was an original Dharma survivor. Did he really respond to an ad in the paper that asked "Would you like to save the world?" Were the Others/Hostiles on the island well before Dharma? Gotta love how Patchy played Locke, much like Ben played him back at the hatch. He tells Locke that the computer chess opponent can't be beat, knowing that this would compel him to keep playing.

6) Obi-Wan Locke - His sense of judgement is really shaky. In this episode, he seems like such a tool. When Patchy realizes Sayid is on to him and attacks, despite all the noise, it takes him forever to get back. He looked over the whole place, and was certain there was nowhere else to hide, only to be proven a fool by Sayid, who finds the underground entrance. And when the computer eggs him on by saying "Your Move", he can't resist. In typical Locke form, instead of talking to the others about what he discovers with the comp (Pallet drop, Station Uplink, Mainland Communication, Sonar, Hostile incursion), he hushes. Instead, he does what he thinks is right, and enters 77.

7) Sayid - This episode proves that he is way smarter than Locke, but also shows that he, like the Others, is very capable of lying when it suits his purposes, as proven by the backstory.


All in all, I think it was a great episode. Damn - sure wish Sayid could have snagged some of those Dharma manuals.

#11. Posted by: shikotee at March 8, 2007 1:06 PM

They already DID explain why the plane had crashed.

Desmond let the counter go down to zero in the hatch so everything started going crazy since the giant magnet hadnt been discharged. And the plane got sucked down to the island... snapping in two

#12. Posted by: JB at March 8, 2007 1:12 PM

Great review as always Mac - the Steve Johnson reference cracked me up!!

Thanks to Trinity for the "bare bones" Russian translation.

Mikheil was obviously pretending to be a Dharma member for a while, so was Kelvin the last of the Dharma Initiative, or was he an Other in disguise as well?

#13. Posted by: Summer at March 8, 2007 1:16 PM

Great recap once again.

I was yelling at Locke to stay away from the computer from the minute he looked at it. He really is a dumbass sometimes.

Sayid really has gotten himself into quite a few sticky situations in his life.

Sawyer was at his finest with comedy this week. Loved it.

#14. Posted by: Melissa at March 8, 2007 1:18 PM

I don't believe Sayid said that the compass didn't work in Season 1, but that it was pointing in the wrong direction.

#15. Posted by: Theoldred at March 8, 2007 1:20 PM

Sawyer's porn has been featured a couple of times now. I suspect that one of the ladies in the mag is going to "revealed" to be on the island.

#16. Posted by: 108 at March 8, 2007 1:21 PM

@mac - Mythbusters recently had a pirate episode where they explained that pirates used an eye patch not to cover a missing eye, but to keep one eye ready for night vision. This was useful in battle, should they switch between below-decks and above - they just shifted the patch from night-eye to day-eye. The mythbusters tested it and it worked quite well. They didn't note any long-lasting after-effects.

#17. Posted by: hurling at March 8, 2007 1:25 PM

I found it cute when Hurley said to Sawyer after he brought him back his porn- that he did it because Sawyer is a guy "who needs stuff" Awwww!

Thank you to who translated the Russian!

Sawyer calling Hurley "Grimace" LOVE LOVE LOVE!

Why would Rousseau just leave? I found that weird.

Kate is on my nerves.

Sawyer is still delicious!

Though you guys felt the ping pong scenes were stupid- I liked them. I thought it was funny how Sun got involved and Charlie said "Nice!" when Sun said Sawyer couldnt use nicknames if he lost. It was cute.

#18. Posted by: p2thew at March 8, 2007 1:26 PM

@hurling: I saw that episode of "Mythbusters" (great show, btw). Maybe I'm the only one who suffers from eye issues ;) -- mac

#19. Posted by: mac at March 8, 2007 1:27 PM

They Explained why the plane crashed in the season 2 ender. Desmond didn't push the buttons in time.

#20. Posted by: Josh at March 8, 2007 1:28 PM

Possible benign explanations for Locke's behavior:
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1) If he didn't know the station would implode.

Just what you said - he was hoping that entering 77 would signal Dharma in some way and possibly get help sent or at least in investigation dispatched. Maybe the 77 signal (or so he might think) was designed to work like the under-desk alarm button at the bank, to summons help.

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2) More interestingly, if he *did* know the station would explode, any or all of these thoughts may have been operative:

a) Sayid and Kate have already removed what suppies they want and can carry. The Others will probably dispatch a force too big to be repelled, so deny them the use of the Flame by destroying it.

b) The Others have proven themselves to be the Losties enemies, and also consider Dharma their enemies - if the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I want to do whatever will help my friends and therefore my group. Dharma wants 77 pressed if the hostiles have taken over the station, so press it.

c) The Others consider the Flame a valuable asset, so deny it to to them.

d) Anything that spreads fear and confusion among my enemies is a good thing, so blow up the station.

e) None of the (at least the external) communication channels work so why save the station?

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3. Other odd thoughts:

a) One of the choices Locke *didn't* make referred to a pallet drop. Now that the station's destroyed, will the supply drops cease?

b) Had Mikhail ever seen the hidden videos and heard the options? Maybe, despite being Russian, he's not just that good a chess player.

c) Maybe that's why the ridiculous front-end - to keep the casual observer from even realizing there's a control system hidden there.

d) Even if he'd never seen the control menu, Mikhail had to have seen the explosives - how did the others think they were set off, and why didn't they disconnect them? What's the advantage to the Others of having a functioning destruct system on their valuable asset?

e) The chess game - Locke's postion wasn't a checkmate - it was a check. The threatening rook could have been blocked by either the white bishop or the white knight. True, the checkmate was inevitable in four more moves, but do programs (unlike actual players) concede checkmate when all the conditions are not yet fulfilled?

f) And what was Locke doing with the black pieces, anyway? I didn't see the computer move before flashing up "Your move". The player who plays first is always White.

g) The explosion. Way too small for that amount of C4. That much should level the jungle for a hundred yards around.

h) If none of the communications channels work, what use was the flame to the Others? Internal (inter-island) communications, perhaps?

i) And if none of the channels work, how did the Others have off-island communications, if Ben was telling the truth?

j) Have the communications really been down for years, or just since the purple-sky event?

k) If the Other really pre-date Dharma, where do their off-isand connections come from? Which among other things enabled them to recruit Juliet just a few years ago?

#21. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 8, 2007 1:36 PM

IS MRS. KLUGH DEAD???

I have a hard time swallowing that one. Considering the things that the others do have, is Kevlar really out of the question?

People have been shot MANY times on this island and not died...Heck, even the U.S. marshal took an execution bullet and still held on for a bit.

I'm with you guys on Rousseau acting a bit strange....I wonder if she too has been 'marked'. Hmmmm

Love the tree frog line mac.

#22. Posted by: J-Rod at March 8, 2007 1:40 PM

The Flame wouldn't have become The Cinder.

Loved that line by the way.

#23. Posted by: Melissa at March 8, 2007 1:40 PM

Great recap, as always.

I thought Locke being so engrossed in the chess game was very uncharacteristic. You didn't hear Patches wrestle his way out of his bindings and come up behind you in his combat boots? I don't think so.

I thought for sure it was Sun or Jin that was going to be the expert ping pong champ (oh, that's just the Asian in me).

Loved it when Sawyer called Hurley, "Avalanche."

Paulo must have some loose stools (slow down on the mangos, my friend!) or something because all we ever see him do is either go to the bathroom or come out of it...

#24. Posted by: Connie at March 8, 2007 1:42 PM

You can't just drop something like "I was the Easter Bunny" and not elborate. That's gonna bother me for the rest of the day. :p

great review as per your usual.

Who is nikki?! Why do they keep making us think she's going to be relevant?

#25. Posted by: denise at March 8, 2007 1:44 PM

Great review Mac. Thanks for what you do here.

alltogetherseperate's comment on Locke ... Hilarious! (But so true).

Yep, last night, to me, was *classic* LOST. It felt like they got their mojo back in a big way. I was shocked, curious, intrigued, and at full attention.

And, thank God, the Losties got a huge amount of clues last night.

I also like how they are consistent with Rousseau's character. I don't think she's an action hero like Kate. The writers wisely had Rousseau slither away (to catch trout, as Mac said) and re-appear at the end of the episode. She is a cypher, for sure. I don't know what to believe from her though. She's NEVER seen the hatch from last night???? Come on! Very, very curious. Rousseau is either baked/wasted/stupid or she's playing dumb and is really up to something.

I love LOST! It's getting so good!!

#26. Posted by: Matt at March 8, 2007 1:47 PM

GAFRAM & YATKOALER and all that jazz Mac.

I can't believe Danielle has been on the island so long, yet there are so many places she hasn't been and things she hasn't seen that the Losties have no trouble stumbling across in the 3 short months (or whatever ) they've been there. That just doesn't make sense to me. She should've been combing every inch of the island for years and years looking for her daughter. Avoiding conflict is one thing...but not coming across the Other compound or all of the 'hatches' by now is ridiculous.

Great episode overall, and I loved the "why are we continuing with this charade..." exchange right before Mikhail threw the pitcher at Sayid. Most of the conversation seemed like the writers saying- OK, here are this week's answers on a platter. But that's okay, as it was all good info.

Since the Flame is toast now, and it was the 'power hub', are we to assume that the Other City is powerless now?

The Others/Hostiles have been on the island long before Dharma came (Ben told Jack he'd been there all his life). Dharma built the hatches. The
Flame was the electrical hub. Are we to also assume that the Others were powerless before Dharma built the hatches, which then allowed them to run the wiring (or commandeer it) for their town?

So Dharma came to the island that was already occupied by the Others. I think then, that the show's answers lie not in finding more out about Dharma, but about the others and their island history.

I thought the Sayid's back story and the ping pong thing were really just filler, but they were entertaining nonetheless. And it will be hilarious to see Sawyer call everyone by their real names for a couple of eps. 1 week Lostie time = at least 2 or 3 eps for us.

#27. Posted by: JoePike at March 8, 2007 1:47 PM

Hey Mac ... long time reader here, first time poster. I love your reviews and can't wait for Thursdays!

I don't know if it's worth noting, but I was glad to hear Sawyer question whether the hatch collapsed or exploded. Nice to see that the Losties are just as confused as us, and makes me believe that the way the hatch imploded wasn't just an oversight on the writers' part.

I also think that Rousseau's statement that she's survived 16 years by avoiding confrontation with the Others explains why she always is so surprised at the Lostie's discoveries on the Island. Maybe she just recently started trekking further away from her hole in the ground after she met Sayid. I don't think she's an Other, she's just a touch of crazy. I can't see her having shot Benry with that arrow and then having turned him over the Losties ... that didn't seem to be in the Other's plans.

Does anyone think that the horse Kate saw also belonged to Dharma or the Hostile Others?

Oh and I was ROFL @ "It's Dharma Big & Tall!". You're just too much Mac! :-)

#28. Posted by: Jenna at March 8, 2007 1:48 PM

Oh, and Mac, on the eye-recovery business. There have been psyschological ecperiments where subjects wore special glasses that inverted up and down, or left and right.

After an initial period of confusion, the subjects were able to adapt and function pretty normally, their brain re-inverting the image to let them see normally (The image projected by the lens of the eye on the retina is upside down anyway, so the brain is practiced at transformations.)

And when the subjects took the devices off, after wearing them for a period of, I believe, a few days, their *normal* vision appeared inverted to them for a while (don't know the exact time it took) until their brains could adjust again and present the correct information.

#29. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 8, 2007 1:50 PM

So Locke now destroys two hatches? Is he dumb, does he have bad luck, or is he working for the other side?

I'm starting to enjoy the brief appearances of Nikki and Paulo more and more. I suspect that their roles will grow considerably by the time the show ends.

Mac, as always, thanks for the excellent work.

#30. Posted by: petew at March 8, 2007 1:55 PM

I wonder if Sayid knows about Danielle and is just keepin' an eye on her. Sayid is a smart cookie. Not much gets past him.
Great job mac! I love the "Locke is holed up in the computer room and can't be bothered to help" & "Thanks John" comments. Oh, the rainbow trout was good as well.
It should be interesting to see if the two must join together to fix the communication w/ the outside world problem.

#31. Posted by: MrEko237 at March 8, 2007 1:56 PM

What if Locke destroyed the Flame on purpose? With the return of his legs, he doesn't necessarily want to leave - maybe he doesn't want communication. Maybe he "did it for the Island" or "the Island demanded it".

#32. Posted by: howecurious at March 8, 2007 1:59 PM

Wikipedia is reporting the following about the typewritten Russian document with the two red notes on it:

Translation of the Russian printed page, what little fragments can be seen:

.. lost in his land, and they must
... if necessary, through complete social
(break)
...
... pushed away Andrey (underlined, see first red note). Nadji was not
... resistance, however he was an excellent
... a cousin of influential
... one of the northwestern
... ...cialist helping
(break, paper scrolls down)
.. radicals of that time...
...believed that they held up the West...
...road to Allah, so he could erase infidels from the face of the Earth...
... Andrey thought, that the fall of Afghanistan will become an impulse ...
... of revolution
... came today", Nadji reported with a strong accent...
... Russian language.
... ICI (some Russian acronym) will be included in this. And you...
... Andrey ...

The first red note written in Russian handwriting is "My name is also Andrey".

The second red note written in Russian: "I have forgotten so much about Afghanistan"

#33. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 8, 2007 2:05 PM

Great Ep and Great Recap Mac.

Keep up the great work.

#34. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 8, 2007 2:06 PM

Ok, here's some convo-fodder:
Rousseau mentioned that she survived for so long on the island because she traveled the path of avoidance.
That was the same excuse that Patchy gave for being allowed to live after the Dharma-Hostile scuffle.
It seems like too big of a coincidence to ignore, especially since Patchy also mentioned the part about the imaginary line. Seems like he (and Rousseau?) use bits and pieces of the Other's philosophies in their lies.

#35. Posted by: Kaytied at March 8, 2007 2:07 PM

I really don't believe Locke intentionally blew up the Flame. He really thought he would be summoning help from the outside world. He didn't know (as I believe Mac pointed out) that the place was wired with C4. Plus, he would have no clue about the delay from pressing 77 to detonation. He wouldn't have risked blowing himself up.

Why is Kate looking for Jack on Lostie island? She doesn't know that they transported Jack back to the main island, so shouldn't she assume he's still across the water on the 2nd island?

#36. Posted by: JoePike at March 8, 2007 2:07 PM

Petew and howecurious - I was wondering the same thing. It seems as no hatch is safe once Locke is around. Wouldn't we all be fooled if he turns out to be an Other or Dharma mole. If he was a mole he would know that the Pearl "observation station" was just a ruse - all of the "important" observations were laying in tubes in the jungle. But after they saw Patchy on the second visit he was just waiting for a reason to head out and blow up the flame. I am sure that I am reaching with that theory for sure.

One thing that I have been wondering - have people moved back into the jungle Adam and Eve camp now that the hatch has been destroyed? How are they getting their fresh water?

#37. Posted by: ac at March 8, 2007 2:08 PM

Whats the title of the episode mean?

#38. Posted by: Hurley is Hot at March 8, 2007 2:08 PM

Petew and howecurious - I was wondering the same thing. It seems as no hatch is safe once Locke is around. Wouldn't we all be fooled if he turns out to be an Other or Dharma mole. If he was a mole he would know that the Pearl "observation station" was just a ruse - all of the "important" observations were laying in tubes in the jungle. So no need for to accidently throw a match on some greasy rags there. But after they saw Patchy on the second visit he was just waiting for a reason to head out and blow up the flame. I am sure that I am reaching with that theory for sure.

One thing that I have been wondering - have people moved back into the jungle Adam and Eve camp now that the hatch has been destroyed? How are they getting their fresh water?

#39. Posted by: ac at March 8, 2007 2:09 PM

Okay random lost thoughts:

THANK YOU SAYID! You are the only one we can depend on to ask the questions everyone wants asked when presented with an opportunity. You may have been Republican Guard, but you're #1 in my book, you ol' torturer you...

Rousseau is either a liar or crazy or she's both. I have never believed that she'd live on an island 16+ years with a daughter missing and has not explored every solid inch of ground on the island. [Oh, I feel a sneeze coming on -- Bull-sh!!!

I gotta wonder if Locke is really that stupid or if he really felt that pressing the 7s were the best way to go. I couldn't tell by his response to the explosion.

The Dharma project coming in to an island for experimentation and being taken over by the angry natives sort of reminds me of a StarTrek TNG gone awry.

#40. Posted by: BELost at March 8, 2007 2:09 PM

Re: the chess game

I dont' TiVo or tape, so my comments are from real time viewing, but I'm also an avid chess player.

Either the graphics people responsible for the effect, or the editor, doesn't actually play chess, one or the other, because there were massive continuity problems with the chess game Locke was playing. Also, as someone else pointed out above, the final position was not checkmate, though the graphic indicated it was. There's no point in rationalizing away the obvious: the chess game effect was sloppily realized.

I suppose these were the kinds of things running through the writer's heads, in terms of interposing a chess program as a password protect making conceptual sense:

--Dharma seems to have a thing for games

--Russians and chess go together (like Russians and gymnastics, say), so it would make sense (in a cultural stereotype kind of way) that the Others/Hostiles would assign a Russian to be caretaker of the Flame, as he would have no difficulty getting past the chess game password protect

--Locke is big on games, especially strategy games (as we know from his backstory), so it makes sense that he would beat the computer at chess

--Chess is another instance of black/white duality (however ill-connected and unexplained) for us to ponder

#41. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 8, 2007 2:09 PM

@JoePike

>Why is Kate looking for Jack on Lostie island? She doesn't know that they transported Jack back to the main island, so shouldn't she assume he's still across the water on the 2nd island?

I thought this at first, too, but Karl told them that the Others lived on the big island. So maybe she's made the intuitive leap that they've returned home.
→ Posted by: at March 8, 2007 02:07 PM

#42. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 8, 2007 2:10 PM

I am hoping that Kate will eventually tell SOMEONE that she saw similar costumes (when they found the medical hatch) to the row of identical Eye Patch Guy's jumpsuits in the basement. To me, this means that Dharma and the "Others" and the "Hostiles" are all the same. Maybe Dharma went in at one point to "purge" any natives on the island in the first place, but I am beginning to think, since then, they are one in the same....

#43. Posted by: Vikki at March 8, 2007 2:13 PM

@howecurious:

I was thinking the same thing. Let's not forget who it was that clubbed Sayid over the head back in season 1 when he was doing the whole triangulation project with Kate and Sawyer to find the source of the transmission. It was Locke. I can't remember his reason for doing it when he finally confessed to Sayid, but that's twice now that he's put the Kibosh on stuff that would help them get an SOS signal out.

#44. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 8, 2007 2:13 PM

Good stuff, bad stuff in that episode.

Some small things:

Why did Sawyer take guff from freakin Paulo? Sawyer had almost been killed several times in the past weeks, he'd beaten up a few others and banged Kate, why not just slap Paulo and take his mag back?

I agree, the wager was completely unbalanced and stupid. Unless part of the wager was the implied "we get to keep all you loot Sawyer in addittion to you not being able to call people names." Now that would make sense, but they never said it. It turned out that way though.

Annoying big stuff:

Locke destroys the Flame by pressing 77. What's the best he could have hoped for there? Sending a distress signal to the other Others and having an army descend upon them? No, Lost writers needed to destroy the Flame because it contained all those binders with everything you ever wanted to know about the Dharma Initiative. We all know it had to go, but what a poor writing decision.

Mac pointed this out before, but Rouseseau has been on that island how long? She's trekked to the other radio beacon enough times to modify it? Yet she's never been to that building? and she's been clueless about similar things before. AND SHE caught Ben in her net. AND she lured people away to steal Claire. Seems like she's working for the Others. She could just be acting like she lost Alex when Alex is actually just a renegade and left home to be with her lame boytoy.

Why would Mrs. Clugh need to be killed if captured? They captured Ben and Ethan, sort of, and neither of them felt it neccessary to take their own lives. Just silliness to keep Sayid from getting answers from her too early in the show's run. Seems to happen often.

Sayid needs to interrogate Mikhal, not set off immediately for the Other's camp. I'm pretty sure they can get more answers from him than getting caught at the camp, which you know they will, or at least a couple will be caught and one let go.


Probably just nit-picking. It was a good episode, the part about the Flame anyway, if you ignore the character mistakes.

#45. Posted by: Chris at March 8, 2007 2:19 PM

I was annoyed with Locke blowing up the hatch, too, at first, but it really makes sense in a deus ex machina kind of way.

Do we really want the plot to bog down at Fire station with Sayid/Professor trying to fix broken communications equipment between philosophical discussions with Locke about faith vs. science? Been there, done that. Buy the DVD sets for earlier seasons if you miss that dynamic. Fire station was merely a way point on the way to the real destination: the Others/Hostiles main camp. Sayid has the map. There was no point dawdling at Fire station. Blowing it up was a good way to impel the story forward.

The story structure demanded, anyway, that there would be no way to get communications up at Fire station, so why waste story time there? I agree in part with speculation posted above that the logical outcome of destroying Fire station is that the power should be cut off to the rest of the Others/Hostiles and that they should now be on more of an even playing field as a consequence.

Locke's character had to take a hit to accomlish this, but he had it coming. Not every impulsive action can be rationalized as a great leap of faith. Impulsive acts have bad consequences more often than not. It was getting tiresome seeing him win all the arguments (up to the point where he blew up the hatch, anyway), and the opening scene between him and Sayid was threatening to return Locke to his infallible island mystic status.

#46. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 8, 2007 2:21 PM

I was a bit perplexed by Sayid's backstory this week...All the while, despite his very checkered past, I have found him to be one of the most trustworthy and reliable characters, never a doubt in my mind. However, I believed up until the very end, that he was not the person responsible for torturing the wife. When he finally admitted it, I didn't see it coming. I was left thinking...maybe we shouldn't trust him as much as we do...

#47. Posted by: Vikki at March 8, 2007 2:22 PM

I thought it was really intriguing that Sawyer said to Nikki "Who the hell are you?", and Paulo looked up at him. They are SPIES! SPIES I'm telling you!

#48. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 8, 2007 2:24 PM

Okay, now everyone sing:
"Old McDharma had a farm, E-I-E-I-O.
and on this farm there was a patch man.
E-I-E-I-O. With a patch, patch here, a patch, patch there.....
Great recap mac! Keep up the good work. The Dharma Big & Tall and the Flame is now the cinder were great.

#49. Posted by: onelostdude at March 8, 2007 2:27 PM

I bet the cat was really the smoke monster. I bet Kate's horse was too.

Based on the scene where Smokey 'probed' Eko's mind, and later appeared as his brother, I just imagine the monster could have probed Kate and Sayid to get the image of an animal that would cause them to pause in confusion... so the monster could probe them.

In other words, the horse and cat forms were just to make Kate & Sayid stand still a moment - like Eko stood still during his 'probe' experience.

Of course, the monster would need an initial probe BEFORE knowing what to appear as, wouldn't it? Hmm.

Ah well. It's a working theory! ;)

#50. Posted by: Herobill at March 8, 2007 2:27 PM

Overall: Very much enjoyed this episode.

Positives: My comment to Mrs. DC as they rolled credits was that it looked like they were finally going to get the story momentum rolling again. The episode actually felt like it went somewhere. The character writing in the back-at-the-beach subplot portion was true, redeeming the trivial nature of the story.

Negatives: The writers have become trapped in their own hook with the flashbacks. Sayid's flashback was gratuitous and hackneyed. It had no relationship to the main action and was a momentum killer. Actually, it had the opposite of a relationship to the main action, as it totally contrasted with Sayid-man-of-resolve as we saw him in the episode.

#51. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 8, 2007 2:32 PM

Re: Kelvin . . .

Someone posted the question as to whether Kelvin was Dharma, or an Other. I've seen this theory being tossed about on numerous boards, and I'd like to point out a couple things. First, Kelvin was trying desparately to escape. That alone makes him an unlikely Other - at least not one who was born on the island. Second, he fought in the Gulf War, and was the American soldier who taught Sayid how to torture people, so he's not likely Dharma. I think Kelvin really was who he appears to be in "Live Together, Die Alone": an outsider who, like Jack & Co., became stranded on the island, and then recruited to push the button.

#52. Posted by: TribbieSt at March 8, 2007 2:50 PM

Ok for starters thanks Mac

About your eye patch question, a teacher I once had in elemntary school made us all where eye patches. The experment was to show us that after you have one eye cover for a period of time you loose all depth percetion(it really works)


My second though that has now been killing me that i did not think of it sooner is Desmond. He did not come back to the camp bc he could not find his way home, he came back bc the others made him return to be a spy. Far reach right but he too like Julies could have been promised with his return home if he reported all Losties activities.

I too think there is alot more to Russo then we have seen yet

All in all a great episode!!!!!!!!

#53. Posted by: Dakota at March 8, 2007 2:52 PM

Wow, what a bumper crop of mac-isms in this recap. Hard to pick the best, but "the cinder" might be it. I think I look forward to the recap as much or more than the episode itself.

I've been saying for a long time that the Others are not Dharma, that they are occupying abandoned Dharma facilities. I've also asserted that the key to understanding Lost is to figure out what was happening on the island before the crash.

So...there was some civilization there. Maybe descendants of the Black Rock shipwreck (ala the descendants of HMS Bounty on Pitcairn Island). Maybe these people built the foot statue.

Dharma comes along, decides to set up shop for their experiments. The others/hostiles hide in the jungle with their dirty legs for a long time (long enough for Dharma to do all that construction).

Eventually the groups meet and come into conflict. Seems it went on for some period, because it is implied that Dharma at some point finally decided to put an end to it and purge the hostiles.

But something backfired, and Dharma's island people were wiped out. And somehow, the dirty legged others changed from a ragtag group of castaways into a sophisticated paramilitary organization.

This took place 11 years ago, yet a mere 3 years ago Dharma sent Juliette to the island. Are the others/hostiles masquerading as Dharma islanders so that Dharma continues to send food drops and people?

That's my stream of conscienceness. Plenty of holes in it, especially the fact that the others seem to have some purpose to them, which you wouldn't expect from the descendants of a shipwreck.

#54. Posted by: Darryl at March 8, 2007 2:54 PM

Sorry about asking if they truly explained the plane crash…I was going for facetious. I was picturing Locke playing Donkey Kong on the flight computer as the plane split in two. Cracked me up I did.

And if Alex is Ben's daughter and Alex is Danielle's daughter doesn't that imply that Ben and Danielle have more than a passing familiarity? Are they some kind of Koresh-type cult where only the leader (Ben) gets to "breed" with the eligible females like a pride of lions? Is that why his continued survival is so important?

And Sawyer's cockiness at Ping Pong? Seems like a conman would set up a contest that he'd be guaranteed to win instead of just playing a game where the outcome might be in doubt. Maybe Sawyer's pining for Pouty Kate has affected his mad conning skills.

#55. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 8, 2007 3:05 PM

General comments:
Patchy said he was unaware of plane crash survivors, which is a lie because he was with Kluge who had captured survivors. So everything Patchy said to Sayid is probably false.
The term "Hostiles" is political-military jargon for the enemy. The outer hatches appeared to be manned by military personnel, while the experimental stations were manned by scientists. The "purge" could have been the control dispute on who was in charge of the overall island operation: the military or the scientists.
If you really wanted to know what was going on with the island, and you had access to an Operations Manual, would you not take the whole manual with you and not just a page for the electrical grid? Since Sayid knows that information on the Others is key to any rescue, he should have taken the whole manual with him to understand the entire Dharma infrastructure.
With Mr. Candle's reappearance, his left arm looked artificial --- a week after Vincent tore off Roger's arm and brought it to Hurley (?) Do the island's present events create changes in the past?
Also, the idea of a video instruction with the same Dharma computer equipment from the Hatch (which was purely numeric imput) made no practical sense.

#56. Posted by: welh at March 8, 2007 3:12 PM

Sayid fully planned on coming back to the Flame and digesting all the manuals he could. Which is why he was so incredibly pissed at Locke for blowing it up. Even unintentionally. It wouldn't have made sense to take any manuals immediately when they would be there for the taking later.

#57. Posted by: JoePike at March 8, 2007 3:17 PM

I think that the reference to Alex being Ben's daughter is more of a "I raised you as if you were my own" kind of thing. He's her father because he raised her, he's just not her biological father.

#58. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at March 8, 2007 3:19 PM

I don't think the Losties would be coming back to the Flame station; it was a long way away, the communication devices were inoperable; Rousseau's communication tower is operational; and the main purpose was to find the Others compound. One would want the most information about an opponent before going into a confrontation. The manual could contain information on security, protocols, gates, hatches, ect. Maybe the manual is in Sayid's backpack.

#59. Posted by: welh at March 8, 2007 3:30 PM

Did he? or didn't he? (Torture the woman, that is). While many are less than enthusiastic about the flashbacks in this episode - they were very 'Death and The Maiden'-like to me (I've seen both the play and the movie recently).

For those unfamiliar, in the story is about a South American woman who captures the man she thinks tortured and raped her many years before. Did he really do it? Did she stoop to his level? Was it justified?

Sound familiar? ;-)

#60. Posted by: Zizzy at March 8, 2007 3:31 PM

@welh et al... I kinda assumed that since they raided the Flame for all its goodies, Sayid DID in fact take more than just a map from the Dharma Library stashed in the basement. Maybe not, but if so I have a HUGE bone to pick with our lovable torturer.

@Darryl, could the event that "backfired" in the Others v. Dharma conflict have anything to do with Smokey going beserk. Remember the black light map saying something like Cerebrus incident??? We've always assumed Smokey = Cerebrus...

@Batteries -- you all that have been insisting Paolikki have been Dharma plants for so long may be on to something. How could a guy like Sawyer not even notice someone as obviously hot as Nikki, no matter how much stupid stuff comes out of her pie hole and no matter how bad of an actress she is. But don't you think Hurley would have noticed people not on the manifest hanging around after the Ethan incidents?

@ransom -- I knew it was a joke even if others didn't quite catch it :oD

#61. Posted by: BELost at March 8, 2007 3:32 PM

All good points above.

Here is my question of the week.
Sayid said that they had been walking North for 2 DAYS, and they still hadn't found the main camp.
Back in Episode 1 of this season, Ben and Ethan were at the main camp when the plan went over head.
I can't remember exactly how long, but did Ben or Ethan say that he could reach the beach in 45 minutes if he hurried?

That is one HELL of a shortcut.
Unless Locke had the group going around in circles for 2 days with a broken compass.

#62. Posted by: Zeppo at March 8, 2007 3:47 PM

Lost is back and mac is better than ever.

I think Locke thought he was actually sending some type of distress signal and didn't realize the consequences

Rouseseau is a liar more than she is crazy. Wait for you at the stream? Bull-oney

The only two eps where Paulo actually did something involved going to the bathroom. If he doesn't do something else soon he will be the never-ending BUTT of jokes (Q: who the hell are you? A: I'm Poopie Paulo! Do you have any Imodium?)

Are the hostiles and the others one and the same? Did dharma's experiments give the hostiles some disease (quarantines) that made them violent?

#63. Posted by: lost addict at March 8, 2007 3:52 PM

welh said: "Patchy said he was unaware of plane crash survivors, which is a lie because he was with Kluge who had captured survivors."

The actor who played Patchy was good and his scenes were well played. Yes, that was a lie, and the actor showed us that by playing his reaction to Sayid talking about the plane crash with poorly feigned interest.

However, when Sayid talked about the Others capturing their sailboat, *that* perked up genuine interest in Patchy. He never knew about the sailboat, and his reaction said that he would have wished for that knowledge earlier.

So we have a picture of Patchy living an existence that was genuinely apart from the other Others/Hostiles, and the information he got was, apparently, on a 'need to know' basis, only. His independent setup, actions and reactions suggest someone with a semi-free agent or outcast status. We have already seen that there is such a thing as Other Politics and that there are wheels within wheels to it.

I expect Patchy will live to fulfill some important function for our lostaways in the next episode or two.

#64. Posted by: Deep Cover at March 8, 2007 3:53 PM

@Zeppo

>Here is my question of the week.
Sayid said that they had been walking North for 2 DAYS, and they still hadn't found the main camp.
>Back in Episode 1 of this season, Ben and Ethan were at the main camp when the plane went over head.
>I can't remember exactly how long, but did Ben or Ethan say that he could reach the beach in 45 minutes if he hurried?

Downhill vs uphill?

Secret Dharma/Other subway/hang glider?

#65. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 8, 2007 3:53 PM

I think this is the type of episode we have been waiting for! Action, comedy, mystery, questions answered and new questions! What more can we ask for?

I think Locke had no idea that the station would blow up but was trying to get off the island. he should have known that it wasn't going to work since the first two communication attempts failed but Locke likes pushing buttons.

Did anyone else get the impression that the Hostiles were not Dharma or the Others? If they were one of those groups, why was Klugh there and then Mikhail yells that they had a truce and to go away? Also did everyone see the look on Paolo when Sawyer yelled at Nikki? He was mad. There may be a parallel between Sun/Jin and Nikki/Paolo's "man in charge" relationships.

I think Rousseau is just crazy and has not bothered to leave her safe bunker area. Perhaps her teammates are suspects for the Hostiles.

@JRod-I believe Klugh is dead. They had plenty of time to ransack the place for some things after her shooting. I think they could have re-checked by then.

@JoePike-Kate is searching on the main island because Karl said they didn't live on the small island. She is searching for their home on the main island which is why she draws out Rousseau for a guide.

@ac-I believe even though they are not living in the caves anymore that they are still getting thier fresh water from the caves. There was a security/rescue issue at some point and the people moved back to the beach.

@Hurley is Hot-The title refers to Locke entering the number 77 is the chess computer for hostile incursion.

#66. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 8, 2007 3:54 PM

I understand that Kate knows from Karl that the Others live on their island. But she has no reason to believe they took Jack there. Why wouldn't she think they were going to hold him captive indefinitely on island #2? Other than she knows where it is now...hmmmm, that's gotta be the answer... Kate knows they know she knows where Jack is being held. Kate knows they know she is gonna try to rescue Jack regardless of his instructions.

It's all coming together for me now...

#67. Posted by: JoePike at March 8, 2007 4:08 PM

@Batteries

I agree that something is definitely going on with Nikki/Paulo- whether or not they are spies- there is something. I think the writers are too smart to just throw these characters in without a bigger plan in mind. I think they are going to become key players. And Sawyer saying to Nikki- who the hell are you? Classic Sawyer, but also a foreshadowing I think.

#68. Posted by: ND Fan at March 8, 2007 4:16 PM

Ok i think that sibling of Jacks we keep thinking is Clare just might be Nikki. Wouldn't that be interesting.

#69. Posted by: Dakota at March 8, 2007 4:27 PM

Nah, not really a foreshadowing- just something the writers threw in for Sawyer to say since N/P have been so insignificant so far. But N/P have been there all along as far as the show is concerned, since (as someone pointed out) Hurley would know if they were ones that weren't on the plane's official manifest. ...Again, that's how Ethan was weeded out.

#70. Posted by: JoePike at March 8, 2007 4:27 PM

Great review Mac, I have said it all along and will continue to say it this island is full of clones. I think Dharma had an experiment left them to their own devices and then came back to observe them closer.

#71. Posted by: BigNameJames at March 8, 2007 4:34 PM

if the others af horses my be the horse in kate ep was one of the others

#72. Posted by: wade clapp at March 8, 2007 4:40 PM

I hope they aren't gonna say Jack and Claire or siblings. Too predictable. Maybe it's Kate and Sawyer ! That would be ugly but suprising.
Maybe the guy that goes through the fence on the preview for next week vanishes into another dimension ?
I'm gonna go read your guys entries now...

BTW... this was the best episode of this season so far.
I was wondering when they were gonna "kick her in the guts"

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#73. Posted by: thinng at March 8, 2007 5:00 PM

The dialogue in Russian:
Klugh: Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: We have another way.
Klugh: They know us. We will not let them [unintelligible]. You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: But we still have another way! (pause) I’m sorry! (shoots)

#74. Posted by: Dakota at March 8, 2007 5:30 PM

Sayid might still be able to go back to The Cinder to catch another peek at those manuals....especially if they were in the basement. He might have to pick through a lot of debris from the explosion first, but maybe the basement survived the explosion? Or were the explosives wired to the basement in order to destroy any evidence of the innder Dharma workings?

#75. Posted by: Vikki at March 8, 2007 5:31 PM

Another reaching theory, but I posted a long time ago how I thought that Kate and Rosseau resemble each other. I always that it was a coincidence in the casting department, but now lately with all of the mention of time lapses, etc. Is it possible that Rosseau is a future version of Kate? They ahve the same blue eyes. And I know that Rosseau supposedly crashed on a medical expedition but maybe she is just crazy from being there so many years alone. Thoughts?

#76. Posted by: blight at March 8, 2007 6:01 PM

Five Questions and an observation:

1.) What happened to the horse?

2.) The video cam that Locke noticed over the chess game computer was flashing a red LED. Who was watching and where?

3.) Kate was picking up ammo when they were leaving the Flame and the camera zoomed in on this as if to make it significant, yet we don't know why yet.

4.) Did someone bury Klugh or was she just left on the dirt next to the building?

5.) The cat in the backstory was male, the cat in the Flame was female, based on the dialog of the characters (Nadia?). Who can tell what gender a cat is anyway?

Observation - This episode was written by Damon Lindelhof and Carlton. Big difference in the overall storyline, and revelations presented when compared to "TT is Dead". When those two write the episode, there will be movement to the overall storyline, and other episodes will be primarily character exposition.

#77. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at March 8, 2007 6:02 PM

Great Episode (at least for season 3). I must admit Locke was unusually dopey this episode. He really was Scooby-Doo and Shaggy all rolled into one. I guess we now know where Kate's Horse-Dad comes from. Peace.

#78. Posted by: REDHOTRYAN at March 8, 2007 6:04 PM

Did anyone think "War Games" when Locke was playing chess on the computer? I thought for sure it was going to start talking and telling him the world was going to end if he lost.

#79. Posted by: Destynee at March 8, 2007 6:05 PM

Great Episode (at least for season 3). I must admit Locke was unusually dopey this episode. He really was Scooby-Doo and Shaggy all rolled into one. I guess we now know where Kate's Horse-Dad comes from. Peace.

#80. Posted by: REDHOTRYAN at March 8, 2007 6:06 PM

Concerning Kate not going to the prison island... With Sayid's knowledge, I'm sure they realized that the Other's will not stay at the same place the Losties know where to find them. Just like how they set up the fake camp for Michael. There was a brief scene earlier this season where Ben said they wanted Sayid to find the fake camp.

On Locke blowing the communications hatch... I really do believe it was an accident. But Locke did admit to bashing Sayid over the head in Season1 and claimed he did it because Sayid was just going to lead people to danger. Also, in season 1, when Locke asked Walt why he burnt the boat; Walt told Locke because he doesn't want to leave the island. Locke said he likes living on the island too.

I also think all signs point to Danielle being an OtherUnderCover. But I think back to her conversation with Hurley in the Jungle in the "Numbers" episode. Seemed like she really does have a nice/generous side mixed in with all that craziness. Claire also remembered Rousseau helped save her when she was kidnapped. In "Maternity Leave" Rousseau admitted that she took Claire somewhere she knew the Losties would find her.

And for those wondering where the survivors get fresh water. I think there's probably some fresh water from the Dharma drop. But it would be a waste of time for the producers go into stuff like that. We learned in season 1 that the Losties have all the resources they need to survive on the island.
-It's probably part of Hurley's diet plan to walk the distance to the springs everyday.

And finally. Am I the only one expecting Sayid to torture Patchy for answers? Or is everyone else expecting them to use Patchy for bait or a trade for Jack?

#81. Posted by: middies at March 8, 2007 6:08 PM

Something tells me that Locke maybe working for someone, the way he's pressing all the wrong buttons and destroying hatches; I think Jack needs to come back quick and knock some sense into that old coot.

#82. Posted by: Tony at March 8, 2007 7:29 PM

Anyone else agree that Kate is prob now pregnant with Sawyer's love child given the fertility powers of the island?

#83. Posted by: JP at March 8, 2007 8:04 PM

-- So, am I the only person here that thinks that the writers named the Other/Dharma/Patch dude Mikhail Bakunin for a reason?

-- Historically, Bakunin was important in some of the lesser uprisings of the 19th century, was captured by the Russians and released because they perceived him as being inherently honorable, was exiled to Siberia, and then escaped to foment more revolutionary though before he died in 1876.Bakunin was an anarchist and an atheist who didn't believe in "free will."

-- I can't help but think that this must mean something. I mean, they don't name a character John Locke for nothing.

#84. Posted by: Alex at March 8, 2007 8:16 PM

Would every1 stop having a go at Locke please he was only trying to help and no1 told himabout the dynamites... John you are my fav character no matter what every1 else says!

#85. Posted by: c at March 8, 2007 8:19 PM

Would every1 stop having a go at Locke please he was only trying to help and no1 told himabout the dynamites... John you are my fav character no matter what every1 else says!

#86. Posted by: c at March 8, 2007 8:20 PM

Okay- Locke blowin’ The Flame up was a mistake. Since screwing up the Swan hatch he’s been looking to redeem himself and, having been right on with the direction to The Flame he was feelin’ like his good ol’Obi Locke self and truly thought getting a message to Dharma would bring help. It was stupid, but innocent. Yes he liked living on the island, but that was before his Swan mistake when his own perceived insight into the island was making him feel like the BMOC and when he thought life on the island was a bit more idyllic for those with faith. I think he understands how much of a threat the Others or Hostiles are now. Where he was when the fisticuffs were going down is much more confusing. Bad writing or REALLY intense chess game?

Neal Mindflood >Wouldn’t the camera watching Locke play chess be the one broadcasting to The Pearl station which we originally met Patch on?

The look on Rousseau’s face while she was claiming she had never seen The Flame before left me to think she knew all too well what the place was. I also agree that Ben showin’ up caught in her net is looking much more suspicious to me.

I think Sayid’s back story was pretty important. We’ve known all along how great he is at catching people lying but now we know just how great a liar he is. We also now know that he is capable of torturing women quite brutally. We learn this just before he decides NOT to shoot Patchy dead. Is he letting him live to torture some more info out of him or out of remorse for the brutal things he’s done in the past? Is that a line he’s drawing for himself out of guilt?

I agree with some of the posts above- Jack’s Dad & Kate’s horse were both Smokey. Don’t think the cat was though, unless Patchy’s got a great rapport with him/it. Hell, maybe Vincent is now too.

I don’t think we can count on Dharma & Mittelos being the same anymore. I think the Dharma initiative is pretty old and either Mittelos is former Dharma that evolved OR what the Hostiles/Others created after taking all the Dharma folk out and getting access to whatever they had, including, maybe, ways off & on the island(s).

Peace

#87. Posted by: Dr Bologna at March 8, 2007 8:43 PM

Dr. Bologna-Your post made me recall the scene between Jack and Juliet in the Season 3 premier. When Jack asked her if the others were just the Dharma 'leftovers'. She told Jack "It doesn't matter who we were... It only matters who we are now" I guess Patchy helped us figure out what that means... kind of.

I also forgot to comment on the backstory in my previous post. I think Sayid was lying to Amira's husband because he was too ashamed. We've known since season 1 that Sayid is not proud of his past. Either he cannot admit it to anybody else or I figure Sayid wanted Amira to watch him get his share of imprisonment/torture.

#88. Posted by: middies at March 8, 2007 8:58 PM

Long time reader, first time poster - love your work Mac

I don't think Locke is behaving in any way out of character. We know from his backstory that he is pretty gullible & that a lot of his Obi-Locke characteristics are in his own mind. Also he's easily led astray with the promise of 'family' so the chances of him already being won over to the Dharma (or hostiles or whatever they are) -side are pretty high. Although, on the other hand he most likely just thought he was alerting Dhama to the fact that the hostiles had control of the Hatch. Don't forget Patchy didn't want him to press 77.

#89. Posted by: satin at March 8, 2007 9:14 PM

I think 3 element's of this week's ep were direct nods to us Lost fans:
1 - Sawyer's "the hatch exploded? I thought it imploded"
2 - Sawyer's comment to Nikki - "who the hell are you?"
3 - Sawyer's nicknaming as a stake in the ping pong game
Remember it was Sawyer who also sang the Jaws song?

Also, I think Sawyer is getting soft. He wanted to let "his stuff" stay with the lostie community but had to still seem all tough and badass to save face. He planned to lose all along but was stunned that Hurley turned out to be a ringer.

#90. Posted by: Solost at March 8, 2007 9:14 PM

I know this is really late but I had write back to this one because it's annoying me

So here's to you "Hurley is Hot":

The title of the episode "Enter 77" comes from the number Locke was supposed to type in to contact the "outside world"

Did a bell go off for you now?

I know, I can you hear you now: You're welcome.

#91. Posted by: Destynee at March 8, 2007 9:28 PM

@ Deep Cover:
I thought Sayid's flashbacks were extremely relevant to the story this week. When Amira brought in that BEAUTIFUL cat (a Maine Coon, btw--I got one meself!):) and she told the story of rescuing him and forgiving him for biting her because she also knows what it's like to never feel safe. Maybe it's just the animal lover in me, but that tugged at my heartstrings something horrible! I wanted to cry just hearing her tell the story because I know there really are people like those mean little kids everywhere. Then, when Sayid refused to kill Patchy (putting it back in the context of Amira's kitty story) it showed our little torturer still has a bit of humanity left in him, despite all he's done and all that's been done to him.
As soon as the Flame exploded my first words were: "Where's the kitty?! Did the kitty get out?!" When Sayid saw her sitting it the grass, it was like a bit of redemption for him, or at least one less innocent life on his concious. The main purpose of that shot was probably just to assure people like me that no kitties were harmed in the making of this episode. Of course, now I'm worried about the cows and horses. And I feel sorry for poor Nadia since she no longer has a couch to sleep on and her owner has been taken hostage. (OMG, there go the heart strings again! This is what all those years of volunteering in a Humane Society will do to you.) LOL!

Also, am I the only one that totally believed Sayid was lying when he said he didn't know her? I think the way he kept adamantly denying it only made his guilt that much more obvious. No surprise there at all, sorry.

Oh, and mac: Have I told you lately that I love you?...You mean the world to me, you are my everything, I swear the only thing that matters...You get knocked down, but you get up again. They're never gonna keep you down....
(I guess what I'm trying to say is that you rule all and are the king of everything Lost-related!)

#92. Posted by: Trinity at March 8, 2007 9:44 PM

Maybe Patchie was sent to the flame because he had some problem with disease. Did you all see his face? He was all scabbed up.
Gross.

#93. Posted by: lostiegirl at March 8, 2007 9:55 PM

Maybe Patchie was sent to the flame because he had some problem with disease. Did you all see his face? He was all scabbed up.
Gross.

#94. Posted by: lostiegirl at March 8, 2007 9:56 PM

@Wade Clapp

I agree with you.

#95. Posted by: Diggler at March 8, 2007 11:03 PM

Lostiegirl, Sillygirl90210, Gatorgal, Vikki...whats a Diggler to do? ....the gals are bringin it dawg. Here's the thing....they come in here.... showin the boys whats up..yeh, that what I'm talkin about...that was hot dawg.

Mac, ya know....you look great and I think you made it your own and I think we'll see you next week (spread finger clap, clap, clap)

Batteries Included, that was like a low grade, cruise ship soliloquoy...I wasn't impressed. I don't bloody think you gonna stand out with that Paulikki talk. Its rubbish and you best call your mum and tell her your comin home next week.

#96. Posted by: Diggler at March 8, 2007 11:17 PM

A couple of thoughts:

If Alex is Rouseau's daughter AND Ben's daughter why hasn't someone asked Rouseau the pertinent question: What up with you and Ben? Is he your baby daddy or just an adoptive parent?

How long has it been since we've seen Rose and Bernard? Are they still even on the show? I've heard the producers say on the podcast that Michael and Walt are coming back... what about our favorite middle-aged mixed-race couple? Why bring lame new characters like Nikki and Paulo into the picture when we have perfectly good cast members who are getting no screen time?

Loved the episode overall... though I still fear that answers to the series' big questions will necessarily be disappointing. I can't imagine how they will wrap up all the loose ends in a satisfying way. I believe the show will ultimately fizzle out like by early 90s fave Twin Peaks, but oh what a wild ride while it lasts.

Love the review as always Mac... must read it every Thursday before watching the show a 2nd time (with the captioning on for pick up new tidbits.) It's the only way to enjoy the show.

#97. Posted by: ron at March 8, 2007 11:24 PM

@lostie girl:

Andrew Divoff has used his craggy face to good effect as a character actor for decades, even when the movies and TV shows he was in weren't always good. Best known for the Wishmaster movies

#98. Posted by: snow at March 8, 2007 11:32 PM

First of all I agree with "solost" that much of what is written in the script is in response to fan comments from lost blogs.
Some Questions:

What will go wrong on the 2 day journey escorting Patchy back to camp?

Did Patchy go straight into "dharma" character upon shooting Sayid when he was yelling "We had a deal"? or were those comments genuine.

I think Locke just wanted to see SOMETHING happen with the computer. He did after all try a couple of other number combos before the one that eventually blew up the flame.

Regarding Dharma drops..... If patchy is an "other" wouldnt those running Dharma know he wasnt one of their people and disregard calls for drops of food and supplies. Does anyone see where I'm going with this...im having a hard time describing it. And since it seems there were drops not all too long ago, who was the REAL last surviving Dharma worker. Of course, none of that matters if the others and Dharmas merged or are indeed one in the same.

#99. Posted by: kilorooster at March 8, 2007 11:44 PM

best line ever in a trustno1 recap:Locke gleefully prances into the building. Another hatch! It's another hatch! Woo! Woo!
i was at work reading that and i laughed out loud and hard. people were looking at me funny. thanks a lot! :-P

#100. Posted by: Laura at March 8, 2007 11:52 PM

@Laura: Workplace ostracism is my goal ;)

#101. Posted by: mac at March 8, 2007 11:57 PM

@ransomjackson and Mr. Grimm --

I think something happened to the Others that made them infertile. That is why they brought Juliet there and snatched the castaway children.

#102. Posted by: pegasus_x at March 9, 2007 1:41 AM

I've had a theory regarding the Others that I thought (in light of the spoilers for this epi) might break down after this epy. I don't believe it did though. Maybe you all can shoot holes or add to it.

I do not believe that the Hostiles that Patchy and the computer program referred to are necessarily Benry and crew. The producers have said that there are "factions" of Others. I believe that there are several factions and that some are at odds with each other while some are friendly. Think of them as tribes on the island.

The factions could have come from the following sources:
1) Dharma-ites who believe in the Dharma mission/means
2) Dharma-ites that believe in the mission but not the means and splintered off (maybe recruits)
3) People who just didn't want to chose sides and splintered off (Rousseau)
4) People wrecked on the island
5) The island's original natives
6) Maybe even people who were part of the Dharma expiriments? (lab rats so to speak)?

When Patchy first saw and shot Sayid he may have been sincere about all of the not crossing the line stuff. Remember Zeke/Tom established a line in the jungle that the Losties were not to cross? These factions may have established territories with the understanding that hostile factions are not to violate the boundaries. It may be a way of keeping the peace so to speak.

Having said all of that, I believe that there are actually a group of hostiles that we haven't seen yet on the island . And I bet they are nasty mean. Remember a couple of times that the Others ( I believe that it was Ben and Tom on two seperate ocassions) said something to the effect of, "We're the good guys here." What if they were not talking about being good in relation to the Losties, but rather in relation to the Hostiles? Benry/Tom would have then been saying that the captured Losties should be thankful that they are with this group of Others and not the Hostiles.

What if there is some type of agreement between the factions that each time there is a wreck on the island each faction gets to chose a certain number of the survivors? Hence the list and Benry's need for speed to get Goodwin and Ethan to the crash site.

Remember that there are still captured Tailies - besides Cindy, Emma and Zack - that have not been accounted for. Were they taken by the hostiles?

#103. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 9, 2007 3:01 AM

Re: Locke not wanting to get off of the island so he is sabotaging efforts to do so.

He certainly has done this in the past but in this epi remember that he did attempt to establish communication with the outside world via the sat dish and then sonar before entering 77.

#104. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 9, 2007 3:07 AM

Am I the only one that was biting my nails in the seconds preceding the explosion before Locke and Kate caught up with Sayid? Knowing that the explosives were in place, I was sure that “77” will trigger a catastrophic one, I also knew that Locke would enter “77”. The scene following Locke at the computer showed Sayid in the company of Patchy and crazy woman with the house in the background, a good camera set up for the explosion. So I was there screaming “Do not do it, get out” J. It would not have been the same without Freckles and my man, Locke.

I also do not buy that the crazy French woman has never seen this place. I think that she and Ben, were actually a couple at some point and Alex is their offspring.

I believe that Locke feels very comfortable on the island and that he would probably like to stay there, remember he was disabled before he came on the island. He may even be afraid that if he goes back to the normal world that he will have to get back on a wheel chair. I do not believe though that he is anything but gullible and that he really believed that he would call out for help by pressing “77”.

This was the first episode in a long time that I felt brought the story forward, maybe it is the beginning of the end. I love this show, I have found myself spending more time than I should listening to iPods, reading Mac’s reviews and your comments, etc. but the longer the show gets the more unexplained and ultimately unanswered incidents/questions/etc. will occur and that will lead to a bigger disappointment at the end because tying it all up will not be easy. On the side, the writers have shown cunning, I would just hate it if the show just dragged on for financial purposes and not for the sake of the story.

Why did the Hostiles/Others leave Sayid and Locke behind? They know well that they are more of a leader than Sawyer or Kate ever were? On the other side I guess there are a myriad whys in all of our minds J.

I have a last comment about a previous episode. I believe that Jack does not necessarily want to go back to the Losties. That is why he also says to Kate not to come back for him. I am not sure what his motivation is/will be but for some weird reason it makes sense… …of course I have been wrong before, as has Jack ;-)

#105. Posted by: itsif at March 9, 2007 7:22 AM

Forgive me if this is a repeat of info, but I haven't read every post and I need to tear myself away from here to get ready for work. My boss doesn't watch Lost and just wouldn't understand if I was late due to this site... bastard...

I was not surprised at all that Locke blew up any chance to communicate with the outside world. He already clocked Sayid over the head in season one to keep him from using the transceiver to get help. I think the look on Sayid's face was a flash of recognition back to that incident. Locke doesn't want to leave Lost Island and once again be stuck tooling around in his two-wheeler. The Flame was a threat to Locke and he has no intention of leaving this personal walk-about and going back to pick up his employee ID at the box company.

Also, I think Sayid got a hint that there is more that one person who was coming and going at The Flame. He was observing that cat pretty closely, maybe because it reminded him of the one in his backstory, but also he is a trained observer. If that cat was only used to seeing the same person come and go from that building all the time, it would have pulled a Rousseau and gone to get its own trout. Kitty is used to all types of Others, Dharma or Hostiles strolling by.

#106. Posted by: Sara at March 9, 2007 7:59 AM

Some were wondering if Rousseau and Ben "had history", too, and if Alex was their child. If we are to believe what Rousseau told the survivors in Season 1 (which is of course more doubtful than ever), this can´t be true, because according to her she was pregnant (presumably by her love Robert) before stranding on the island.

#107. Posted by: John K at March 9, 2007 8:01 AM

Locke's intentions are always good...I think he really thought he was summoning help by pressing 77, and thought it was the only next logical step after failing to send communications with the first 2 button pushes. Had he known the result of '77' was the Flame becoming 'the Cinder', he never would have pushed it. Especially after already blowing up/imploding another hatch.

My opinion is that if there was a way for the Losties get off the island, Locke would do whatever he could to make it happen. He might choose to stay on the island himself, but he'd help his fellow Oceanics go home.

Worst theory ever? Kate and Sawyer are bro and sis. Just sick. The show already treaded thin ice by hooking up Shannon and Boone. (Not blood siblings, but close enough!) I do like the theory that Sawyer just knocked Kate up, but I doubt the timeline of the story will progress long enough for us to actually see her (or Sun) deliver.

If there are separate 'factions' of Others, they are not opposed to each other. Mrs. Klugh was with Mikahail, so if Mikahail was his own little faction he still interacted with the main Others.

I think what we know about Danielle is genuine, and I don't believe she's an Other in any way, shape, or form. She and Ben never hooked up- he 'abducted/adopted' Alex. I think that's why Alex is so rebellious- she knows she doesn't really belong with the Others.

It still really bothers me how a man in Ben's leadership role allowed himself to be captured last season. Why would he have risked that? And if it really was unintentional, why was he out there alone? I don't believe he was 'coming for Locke'. I guess it only makes sense with the fact that the writing for the show often evolves into something unplanned- Benry was never supposed to be on the show for this long, but the actor did such a great job that they decided to keep him, and therefore had to create a different story arc for his character than originally planned. I'm sure when Ben got snared in Danielle's net the writers weren't thinking of him as the Other top dog.

Can't until the connection between 2 Losties is revealed. I wouldn't mind if it was Jack and Claire as siblings, but I don't think the show will go there.

#108. Posted by: JoePike at March 9, 2007 9:19 AM

New questions:
1) Is (was) Mrs. Klugh working for Juliet or at least against the Others by trying to get support from Mikhail?

2) Are Sayid/Locke/Kate returning to the beach or are they moving on with their heading?

3) Could Ben's Alex not be Rousseau's Alex? It is a common name and Kate could be mistaken. Or did Rousseau give baby Alex to Ben so she could be left alone (her deal) and now has regrets.

@Zeppo: The Losties are traveling in a straight line along a heading and apparently over the mountains. The Others who have had years to scout the island would probably know some shortcuts. But I agree with you that the time difference shouldn't be as large. Maybe they wasted the first day following Kate and hunting for Rousseau?

#109. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 9, 2007 9:25 AM

Several people have theorized about what will become of Patchy, but in the preview for next week, it looks to me like he will get zapped by that fence they come upon. Looks like Locke pushes him across the boundary to test if it is safe, and I'm guessing that's it for him.

#110. Posted by: Darryl at March 9, 2007 10:20 AM

I actually think Patchy runs across the boundary to kill himself so he doesn't give up info on how to get into the other barracks.

My theory on pre-island events. There were a group of uncivilized hostiles that built huge statues and did overall bad things. One day Dharma comes to the island to set up shop (hatches, satellites, radio towers, etc.) and begin some core value changing. However, the hostiles don't take friendly to strangers and violence ensues. A purge eventually does occur where the hostiles kill every last Dharma member (so they think). The hostiles take control of the dharma facilities and become civilized. However, there true purpose on the island is still in question. Yet they still need new members, causing them to kidnap children whenver people get stranded on the island. Children are easiest to mold and their resistance to their views will not be as stubborn as fully grown adults. Also, they find means to leave the island and recruit for Dharma (thru the fake Mittelos Bioscience). Thus the others are born and our losties need some more answers.

#111. Posted by: MattS at March 9, 2007 10:52 AM

- Holly cow, there's a cow !
- Locke is very good at blowing hatches. Feel sorry for Patch's hatch (careful on that)

Less humor on this recap, mac? Or is it just me?
Love your recap no matter what. (and all the comments.)

#112. Posted by: vazirani at March 9, 2007 11:19 AM

Another strange fact I noticed about the numbers. The compass bearing says 305 north. 3+5=8 3x5+0=15

#113. Posted by: Mr. Cube at March 9, 2007 11:21 AM

Wow! It took hours at work today to read through all these posts. I have a few comments as well, of course:

1. Didn't it seem odd how quickly Patchy gave up the plan to shoot Sayid? I mean, he went from shooting him one minute to saving him the next.

2. I think Sawyer made that comment to Nikki because of all the complaining on the blogs - who ARE these people? Of course he would know her.

3. Sayid recognized the lady from the start. You could tell by the way he looked at her and her hand.

The connection that will be revealed next week is what intruiges me. I'm hoping it has something to do with Libby. Is she listed in the guest star's names?

#114. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2007 11:24 AM

Yes, don't blame my beloved Locke! He was just looking for some redemption after he blew up the old hatch.

#115. Posted by: Destynee at March 9, 2007 11:40 AM

If the Others did "purge" part of their collective, that would mean elimination of one part of the group by the stronger and more violent leadership. There would be no reason for allowing non-believers to live on their island with a grudge against those who purged them.
There may be a theme developing within the plane survivors group. One group wants to be rescued and get off the island (Sawyer, Jin, Kate); one group wants to stay (Locke, Walt). Maybe Locke's destruction of the tools at the stations is a way of purging hope for the group that desires to leave the island. Could Locke be such a monster to destroy hope for others for his own selfish benefit?
It depends on how Locke was disabled.
I have speculated that this is how Locke was injured:
After Helen dumped Locke in the airport motel parking lot for associating with his father, Locke goes to the airport to have a final confrontation with his father who had ruined his only chance for happiness. When Locke gets to the gate, he finds his father boarding the plane to South America with Helen! Locke is devastated by the double cross con. He returns to the motel to get the $200k share of his father's con, only to find the thugs his father ripped off in the room. The thugs confront Locke who says take what's left of the money on the table, his $200k. But when the thug opens the package, he finds paper and not currency. Locke realizes that his father triple crossed him. As he turns to flee the room, he is shot in the back. The wound cripples him, physicially and emotionally. He vows to not trust anyone else; and make decisions only for his own benefit.

#116. Posted by: welh at March 9, 2007 12:03 PM

Where to start...

First: When Locke was at the computer and punched in the numbers for sonar, satellite, etc., he got an error message from Dr. Candle which prompted him to ultimately type in "77". I wonder what, if any, message appeared after typing in "77". One would presume that there would be some message saying it was successful since there was an error message for each unsuccessful attempt. You would think there's be something saying the input was successful and then maybe an FYI telling the typist to get the hell out of Dodge before they get blown to smithereens. Ack, it bothers me because there should have been a message in order to be consistent. Wouldn't it be interesting if there was and Locke just didn't mention it because he knew what he was doing all along? I loved Locke when he used to kick the knowledge and dispense the Locke wisdom, but he's becoming even more looney (is that even possible) to me and I can't figure out what's going on with him anymore. Perhaps he's still just a misguided fool, but really, can anyone truly be as misguided as Locke and still have his actions be believable?

Re: Sayid's confession: I don't think he was lying about not torturing the woman. Maybe it's just the optimist in me, but I want to believe in Sayid! I think that he realized this lady really needed some closure, so he decided to give her what she wanted: a confession, even if it was false. He did it for her, to help ease her pain. Add to that the fact she was so willing to let him go and tell her husband that he did NOT torture her, she was totally mistaken, makes me think that maybe she did realize she had the wrong person. Perhaps she does recognize his face and wanted to make someone, anyone who was there pay for what had been done to her. As long as she made at least one of the torturers feel remorse, she was satisfied. I'm giving Sayid the benefit of the doubt and hoping that he confessed to help heal a tortured soul and not because he wanted to save his own butt after he realized his lies and protestations weren't working anymore. I'd like to think he has more honor than that.

And lastly: Are the Others/Hostiles/Whomever the Patch is working for just dumb? Why would anyone leave explosives connected all over their residence and main communications hub? After a time, those things become unstable, don't they? If they were set up at least as long ago as that Commodore 64 Locke was typing on was hooked up, wouldn't they have either lost their some of their destructive potency or have become highly unstable, a la, Arzt and Black Rock? I don't know explosives, but even if they were as fresh as they day they were manufactured, I ain't chilling in a hut wired to send me to kingdom come.

#117. Posted by: SuperMe at March 9, 2007 12:19 PM

@cecil & @Deep Cover : Excellent points about the chess game not ending in Check Mate.

I'm going on the assumption that nothing in this show (even the occasional inconsistencies) is an accident - and this would be considered downright careless considering the attention to detail the show usually strives for.

Perhaps the manual override of the computer is achieved upon placing the computer opponent in check. That would make it quite difficult to ever truly beat the computer as it would require the first time you place the opponent in check to also be checkmate.

That - and perhaps also not allowing the human opponent to be White in the game - could be what Patchy is referring to in his remark that the computer cheats.

Conversely, even if you are playing a vastly superior opponent, I imagine that attaining a position that places the opponenet in check would be a simple matter even for a novice player - if he gives no consideration at all to trying to win the game.

#118. Posted by: vacc at March 9, 2007 12:53 PM

@alex - I agree about the name of Mikhail Bakunin-another philosopher. Wikipedia has loads of info. Didn't want you to feel alone out there!

#119. Posted by: Bobbi at March 9, 2007 1:21 PM

Not sure if this was addressed above, but in regards to the compass question: is it possible that the compass issues we saw in Season 1 were the residual effects of the phenomenon that caused the plane crash? Perhaps once the button was pushed and things got back on track in the hatch, the magnetic irregularities gradually sorted themselves out... or the whole hatch exploding/imploding fixed it. Either way, there's a simple explanation. We just don't know what it is, and truth be told, we don't need to.

#120. Posted by: James at March 9, 2007 1:23 PM

If I remember right, wasn't Rousseau pregnant before her group crashed on the island?

Ben is just an adoptive father.

But that also brings us back to Rousseau saying many in her group got sick.
Well, none of the Losties have gotten sick.

I think Rousseau is in on it.

If anyone wants to read any spoilers, this is a good place:
www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php

Gives a lot of good information about a few of the upcoming episodes without giving everything away.

#121. Posted by: Zeppo at March 9, 2007 2:09 PM

@Middies - Am I the only one expecting Sayid to torture Patchy for answers? Or is everyone else expecting them to use Patchy for bait or a trade for Jack?

I believe that he is viewed as a bargaining tool by Sayid.

@Diggler - Batteries Included, that was like a low grade, cruise ship soliloquoy...I wasn't impressed. I don't bloody think you gonna stand out with that Paulikki talk. Its rubbish and you best call your mum and tell her your comin home next week.

Whoa, I am sorry for the remark. I did not know that you were a Paulikki sympathizer.

#122. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 9, 2007 2:15 PM

Another poster said:
Sawyer's "the hatch exploded? I thought it imploded", which leads me to ask -
Sawyer was held captive at the boat landing when the hatch was destroyed, so who told him about the "implosion". Just seems strange that he was aware of the occurrence since he was being held elsewhere. I don't remember anyone telling him about it.
Sorry if this has been addressed before.

Len

#123. Posted by: Len at March 9, 2007 2:31 PM

I think there were a couple lines in the show meant to show that the writers are reading the blogs. We've debated on here a long time about how the hatch imploded and yet the three people inside were thrown clear. I think having Hurley dismiss it in the way he did was their way of saying not to dwell on this issue. It is what it is and it doesn't matter in the long run what happened. I consider that to be their ultimate explanation for the results of the Swan hatch implosion/explosion.

I also think that Sawyer saying "who the hell are you?" was to recognize how we on the blogs have been feeling that these characters are really nobodies. I don't think Sawyer was literally meaning that he didn't know her. I think it was more like "hey we've been here 3+ months and what have you done? What gives you the right to have a say in anything?" At any rate, Paolikki ain't others.

Also I'm confused because this episode seemed to say that the others aren't Dharma. Juliet's backstory about her recruitment and the presence of Ethan in that story seemed to indicate that Dharma was behind the whole thing. I have to think that there were native hostiles but that dharma took them over and that they are gone now.

#124. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 9, 2007 3:15 PM

Locke was definitely not one of the TRS-80 Whiz kids when he was growing up! That man needs to leave the old computers alone!

#125. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 9, 2007 3:22 PM

@meg-Next week is a Claire episode and the only notable guest is Jack's dad.

@SuperMe- The info I found says that C4 is made to be extremely stable. It needs ignition to detonate. You can drop it or even shoot it without explosion.

#126. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 9, 2007 3:23 PM

Considering the fate of dear old Arzt, isn't it appropriate that PiecesofArzt comes up with info on the stability of an explosive!

#127. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 9, 2007 3:37 PM

few things --- looked like mikael was goign to kill himself.

could it be the story that mikael told siyad (i.e. --- about the line) is actually what danielle has to obey and that is why she is not getting close.

just some thoughts

c

#128. Posted by: lostatwork at March 9, 2007 4:26 PM

@JoePike
"If there are separate 'factions' of Others, they are not opposed to each other. Mrs. Klugh was with Mikahail, so if Mikahail was his own little faction he still interacted with the main Others."

There would be many factions, some opposed to each other, some friendly, and some neutral. I believe that there is an uneasy peace that has been established after the fighting/Purge and lines (territories) have been drawn.

They had to realize eventually that it would be in their best interest to hold to the peace otherwise they would end up destroying the nicities of the island (communications, electricity, etc.) and no one would win.

Having said that, there is probably a "tribe" of hostiles that do not subscribe to the peace but so far have been kept in check by the other Factions.

On the surface it would seem as though Rousseau is a neutral that pretty much comes and goes and is left alone. There my be others as well.
Were Klugh and Patchy a part of the same faction? Maybe. Or maybe the Flame was neutral territory that the factions agreed to leave alone so that they could all benefit from it and Klugh was visiting (as a representative of the Others) to see why the comm was down.

Holes in that theory? If the flame was so important that it was necessary to destroy it and then themselves to keep its secrets wouldn't it have been better guarded?
I don't want to talk too much more about this theory due to the fact that some if it is based on spoiler material and some don't want to be spoiled.

#129. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 9, 2007 4:44 PM

@ Zeppo - Thanks for the spoiler link. Very interesting, and I just couldn't resist.

I think that Juliet was somehow brainwashed by the others. She's a scientist, and I am guessing that was Dharma that recruited her. Somehow, after the war (or whatever it was called) she was forced to join the other side.

#130. Posted by: meg at March 9, 2007 5:23 PM

Well, one of the inconsistencies that I believe nobody highlighted is that Sayid should be able to speak some french. It donned on me as I am watching the first season on DVD, when they are urging Shannon to help them translate the signal from the crazy(...sorry french) woman and also translate some of the writings that Sayid took with him when he escaped her dungeon. He spend time at least some time in Paris as a cook and he should be able to pick up at least simple phrases/words.

I love this show but I believe that there will be more inconsistencies in the future as the writers will have to "correct" or ignore some elements/incidents of the past either by mistake or on purpose. I just hope that there wont be many because that can ruin the show.

Why would Patchy help Sayid with his wound? Why would he even let him live and not shoot him again? The Hostiles/Others should be very angry at the Losties. They will have to take revenge on them for the killing and destruction that they have caused.

#131. Posted by: itsif at March 9, 2007 6:46 PM

@Batteries - I didn't post that, it was Simon Cowell. We're good.

#132. Posted by: Diggler at March 9, 2007 6:59 PM

@ Diggler-

"Sillygirl90210"...

Now my Lost-Blog-name has an alias....I love it- thanks!

#133. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at March 9, 2007 7:20 PM

Someone else mentioned that the terms of the bet were kind of weak for Sawyer's loss. To that I say, again, that the whole scene was written soley for the fans who love Sawyer's one-liners and name calling. As a side note.. when Paulo ,after being called "Zoro" by Sawyer, answers back to him "hillbilly" in that funny Brazilian accent, I cant help but to crack up. To steal a line from another movie. He "put the wrong em-PHAS-is on the wrong syl-LAB-le."

I find it interesting that Danielle says she is reluctant to get involved in the losties activities or encounters, but more than willing to maim or kill their captives.

#134. Posted by: kilorooster at March 9, 2007 7:51 PM

Someone else mentioned that the terms of the bet were kind of weak for Sawyer's loss. To that I say, again, that the whole scene was written soley for the fans who love Sawyer's one-liners and name calling. As a side note.. when Paulo ,after being called "Zoro" by Sawyer, answers back to him "hillbilly" in that funny Brazilian accent, I cant help but to crack up. To steal a line from another movie. He "put the wrong em-PHAS-is on the wrong syl-LAB-le."

I find it interesting that Danielle says she is reluctant to get involved in the losties activities or encounters, but more than willing to maim or kill their captives.

#135. Posted by: kilorooster at March 9, 2007 7:52 PM

The numbers on a binder in the flame station add up to 42! Good thing i have my tivo

#136. Posted by: Mr. Cube at March 9, 2007 10:02 PM

Just a theory but what if Rousseau and her team were dahrma..i mean it would make sence. the war happend her team was killed they took her baby..thats why she is so hesitant to go to the flame station. Im just saying you never no. Any thoughts.

#137. Posted by: Evan at March 9, 2007 10:20 PM

Just a theory but what if Rousseau and her team were dahrma..i mean it would make sence. the war happend her team was killed they took her baby..thats why she is so hesitant to go to the flame station. Im just saying you never no. Any thoughts.

#138. Posted by: Evan at March 9, 2007 10:20 PM

Three things that jumped out at me from this episode.
1. Locke referred to the bearing they were following as "his" and Sayid looked at him funny, no mention of Ecko.
Locke always seems to get into a power struggle with any other dominant male.

2. The horse and the saddle. I expected Kate to have more of a reaction to the horse and thought she would have noticed the short stirrup, but Sayid had to point that out to her. Also wouldn't the losties want to load up that horse and take it with them or was it killed in the explosion?

3. Paulo's reaction when Sawyer asked who Nikki was. Was it fear? Was it jealousy? Was it astonishment? None of the Losties seemed to notice but the audience was shown it clearly. If we get a Paulo/Nikki backstory they will transition to key characters.

#139. Posted by: maureen ponte at March 9, 2007 10:35 PM

As always MAC, thank you. Looking at the comments, it seems your blog gets more and more readers each week. Awersome!!!

Okay let's get to the comment.

HUGE episode!!! It had my mind swimming all night and in to the next day, I like it because it really forces you to draw back on earlier episodes of the whole first 2 seasons and re-evaluate it all. It re-awaked the dormant synapses and Lost endorfins in my brain. If I leave a comment about all that I discovered it would be a mile long so I'll try and address what hasn't been mentioned.

Patchy's eye (or lack there of). How did it happen? When? On the island, before the island. I seem to remeber that the tail section (tailies) found a glass eye in the Aarow hatch, was patchy there as well? And why did he leave or lose his glass eye?

Also the line, "You can not win" (patch to locke about the chess game) "It cheats" - that still gets me irked. Yes we know Patch is a liar, an other, a Russian so probably a good chess player (racists), and we have no idea where the truth lies now (hee hee "truth lies"). But how do you cheat at chess, better yet at computer chess, and the camera above locke would that be the other person playing chess with him?

So many questions. And now with that hatch destroyed things are going to get gritty. No electricity? No drops? No communication? And why didn't Sayeed say "F!" the "save jack mission", let's fix that friggin satelite and get us all saved. I mean Sayid made a beacon from a friggin walkie talkie, think what he could do with that dish, at least get it so you could download porn.

I need to watch this episode over and over, so much. Good to have it, some episodes were getting weak and stretched a little thin, this was all meat. And even though the ping pong game and the backstory made little difference it was nice to have it in there.

WHOOOOOSH!!!

Favorite Mac-isms:
"Obi-Locke smiles quietly and plays with his Jedi robe."

"Klugh played a key role in the abduction of Kate, Sawyer and Jack (she also squealed with delight when Alex inadvertently felt Kate up on the Pala Ferry dock)."

That one was great, makes me wonder if that actually happened, either way - genius Mac.

Until next week. Have fun living the family life.

#140. Posted by: callaway76 at March 10, 2007 12:15 AM

Sayid for President! The man can lead an lie as a professional...he's my favorite.

Good job Mac.

#141. Posted by: Jibber at March 10, 2007 6:39 AM

Most of the Others seem to have experience at war such as Goodwin who was a peace corp, Pickett who use the military word "Klick", there was an US army knife discovered on one of the Others and Mikhail claimed he was in the Soviet Union and Kelvin was in the army before he joined Dharma.

And if i remember correctly from the Lost experience Alvar Hanso was an ammunition supplier for the cold war or something like that, so maybe the Others that we have seen so far are Dharma recruits.

maybe Ben was a hostile but switched sides as he has no medical or military knowledge. Ben was also sick so maybe the hostiles were the carriers of the disease (which maybe makes the infected immune from the island's powers) and Ben became sick and developed his spinal tumor, and didn't Ethan say that they were running out of vaccine.

I also believe that "Adam and Eve" were some of the Hostiles that had perished in the purge.

#142. Posted by: Sky at March 10, 2007 6:52 AM

Danielle's definitely lying: If she "avoids encounters" with other Island residents, why did she capture Ben and turn him over to Jack and the boys? The action and the rhetoric don't match up.

#143. Posted by: Callan at March 10, 2007 7:32 AM

@diggler....thanks for representin'! Do I detect a bit of Sawyer in you, or was that just Simon Cowell??? :)

#144. Posted by: Vikki at March 10, 2007 9:16 AM

Ok, fellow losties, I need your help. I am getting majorly confused by the "factions" of Others we are all waxing philosophically about, and I am hoping one of my forum friends can clear this up.....please, please, please!

As far as I can tell, we are dealing with one other group that we refer to as "Others"....there was a time when viewers were led to believe that there could have been more than one faction: the "dirty" ones who roamed the jungle in rags and grew gnarly beards (seen on the boat when Walt was captured and when Mr. Friendly "drew the line"...among other times) and the Others of the clean cut variety (Goodwin, Ethan, the gang in the medical hatch, etc...)...But then wasn't it revealed that these two groups were in fact one in the same because Kate found their costumes? And then, we realized Zeke was Tom, and FHG was really Ben? Aren't they the same? And if so, aren't these people Dharma then?

What has happened on this series that supports the idea that there were ever really hostiles, and that the hostiles aren't Dharma, besides the fact that Patchy said so? And don't we know now that Patchy is a member of the "gang" if he is chillin in his Flame pad with Mrs. Klugh, complete with every Dharma secret conveintly organized into three ring binders for easy reference?

Am I missing something? Because I feel like I am....I guess my question is: did we get concrete evidence on the show that there are many factions of Others, or is this part of our collective conspiracy theory? Anyone, if you can shed some light for me, I would really appreciate it!

#145. Posted by: Vikki at March 10, 2007 9:31 AM

@Vikki

I must say..a post like yours was long overdue. I too thought that most of the current postings are all erroneously based on this "purge/faction" theory. The truth is the only evidence we have that those things really existed is the testimony of a proven liar, AKA patchy, and comments from one of the producers/writers regarding "factions" of others. (although I dont know when those comments were made)They very well may be outdated as you suggested.

#146. Posted by: kilorooster at March 10, 2007 10:40 AM

Woman: Mikhail! Are u sure you closed the Gasmeter for the oven
Mikhail: Yes, woman ofcourse...
Woman: We cannot risk. You know what will happend if you left the gas on!
Mikhail: We still have another penthouse on the other Island either ways.
Woman: We cannot risk. You know my prenuptial conditions!
Mikhail: Are you deaf or something or is Kate's gun to deep in your ears.
Woman: If they knew our Gasconsumption...you know they could be from the gascompany. We will not let them [unintelligible]our bills. You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: I told you it was a bad idea to tap the gas off and hide on this island! (pause) I'm sorry! (shoots)

#147. Posted by: Jibber at March 10, 2007 10:45 AM

@Vikki - I agree, we don't have concrete evidence that there are "other" factions. But there could be other "Dharma" factions.

Just because Patchy said the rest wasn't a lie doesn't make it so. They could have all the good computers back in other suburbia that would let them edit the Marvin tape - and does anyone really think they would wire their ONLY commlink to blow? That was surely a diversion.

Only we see Patchy without his patch and with an empty eye socket will I believe the glass eye is his. I think the Others knew about that little stash, just like they knew about Henry Gale's balloon, and used it to create Patchy's alias.

Maybe Other-burbia started as the housing for Dharma employees doing the construction and then later the support of the Dharma projects - maintenance, trash pickup, etc. They would not have had any specific knowledge of the projects. Later some of the Dharma scientists involved in the projects split into two factions - believers in Dharma, and non-believers. The non-believers came to realize that in order to change the Vanzetti equation, Dharma was going to perpetuate a great evil on the world. They recruited the Others and together managed to neutralize most or all of the hatches without alerting Dharma in the outside world, thus the supplies and new recruits continue to be delivered to the island. This was the so-called purge. The Others don't want the Dharma powers-that-be to know they have failed, or they will come to the island to restore the Dharma Initiative.

Juliette was recruited by Dharma because they wanted to use her knowledge to prevent fertility rather than enable it. Her skills can't help the Others - they have all been rendered sterile surgically by the Dharma project and therefore are unable to ensure there will be future generations to continue the charade. Thus the interest in children.

Desmond was recruited after the takeover and is not really an Other or a Dharma-ite. The vaccine was just to keep him scared and in the hatch, pushing the button so Dharma would think it was still operative. Now that it is blown up I think we will see the real Dharma come to the island to investigate.

Danielle's research team's destination was actually the island. She is an original Dharma scientist. She changed the signal to alert Dharma about the revolt and takeover but for some reason they did not pick up on it.

Wow, sorry for such a long post. But I'd love to hear anyone's views on any or all of this!

#148. Posted by: Solost at March 10, 2007 11:18 AM

Long time reader (from the other side of the ocean / the Netherlands) and a first time poster.

@Mac: Whoa, you *definitely* got your groove back :) :). It's really nice and inspiring to see this (great!) episode has rekindled your passion for Lost and made you write this playful, inspired episode recap. Keep up the enthousiasm and good work!

#149. Posted by: r-Yawn at March 10, 2007 2:35 PM

Wow! After hours of reading last week's posts and this week's posts - here are some thoughts:

1) Mac rules! Great job every week (the treefrog killing Sawyer's brother had me rolling)

2) Outstanding comments from the peanut gallery! Great banter.

3) For those who are offering spoilers, please either start that section of your post with 'SPOILER INFO AHEAD' or resist posting such info all together. As a person who puts my fingers in my ears, closes my eyes tightly, and starts humming "London Bridges" while my wife watches the plug for next week's episode, I would sincerely appreciate it.

4) On this episode, "Dial 77 for Fun":

- Locke IS a nut job - and I love him for it. Remember when Jack came to ask Locke where he was while Sayid was getting the beat down. Locke said he was hunting boar, then spun the blame on Sawyer - and then offered Jack a big 'ol knife in case he needed it to do battle with Sawyer. John wants to be Obi-Wan, but he is just a lost soul like everyone on the island. He thought he was redeeming himself for leaving his post by punching in the double '7' - not blowin' it to kingdom come. Locke is unintentionally fulfilling his role as the 'Great Neutralizer' by blowing up ALL hatches on the island. Which on will he destroy next?

- Rousseau an Other? (I highly doubt it)
scene in coming weeks:
BEN: Rosseau, did you accomplish your mission?
ROUSSEAU: Jes, my masder.
BEN: Were you followed?
ROUSSEAU: No, my masder.
BEN: Rouss?
ROUSSEAU: Jes?
BEN: Why did you try to KILL ME with that crossbow?
ROUSSEAU: Surry, boss. I guess my aim was a beet off?

- Sayid DID torture that lady (me thinks). He said he would never torture a woman, but wasn't he almost ready to torture his girlfriend at one point? He's got it in him. It doesn't make him worse than anyone else - just troubled and lost...

5) My favorite theory on the people groups is that the castaways of the Blackrock ship inhabited the island many years ago. Their children knew of nothing different until Dharma landed and started buliding hatches all over the island. These castaways (known to the Others as the Hostiles) started causing trouble, eventually causing Dharma to pack their bags and leave - that is with the exception of the Swan, as the world still needed to be saved. Ben and some of the other Dharma group, threw a coup de taut to force the last remaining Dharma folk to start a utopian commune. Ben and his crew sometimes dress in rags and make-up to try and blend it to the Hostiles, like Ethan tried to blend into the Losties. (Lots of holes, but fun to ponder).

#150. Posted by: Flight 815 at March 10, 2007 6:48 PM

Re: Sayid lying about torturing the woman. Sayid recognized the woman with the burned arm immediately (you could see it in his reaction). He didn't admit it out of shame, but also because he is trained to resist interrogation and has an instinct to survive. He cannot admit the truth to the husband in the form of a brutal authority figure... he already knows how to handle that kind of situation and he (barely) remained detached from it. But when confronted by the gentle and kind woman who tells him the *emotional* truth of what happened, he has no defenses and admits to it with genuine emotional catharsis... more like a therapy breakthrough than a revenge kidnapping victim begging for his life. Loved the cat story, BTW. Where our fellow humans let us down, pets can heal our deepest wounds.

#151. Posted by: Catbarf the 5th at March 10, 2007 9:52 PM

The more we see of Rousseau, the harder it is for me to believe that she had never seen anyone else on that island for the first 16 years she was there. (In "Solitary" she told Sayid she'd never seen other people, but has heard them whisper.) Kind of odd that she never had any encounters with them before, but after the crash they're just poppin' up all over the place.
Think the writers forgot that little detail of her character?

#152. Posted by: Trinity at March 10, 2007 10:10 PM

@solost and kilorooster....thanks for the insight! I thought maybe I was going crazy or overlooked something that took place on the show. I appreciate everyone's theories about the Others, but I just wanted to make sure I had the "facts" (if there is such a thing on this show) correct before I started my own theory.

#153. Posted by: Vikki at March 11, 2007 9:34 AM

lost is back the fing dat i dnt get is how did locke nd sayid know how to find the flame i know it had sumfin to do with eko's stick but i didnt get it great episode btw

#154. Posted by: c at March 11, 2007 9:39 AM

Catbarf- I think you’re dead on with that assessment of Sayid’s flashback!

I’ve been thinking a lot about Patchy & his initial reaction to the Lostie’s arrival. We’ve definitely established that Patchy’s quite the accomplished liar but how would he have known ahead of time that it would be Sayid & co. arriving at his doorstep. If anything the Others/Hostiles/Dharma/Mittelos/Originals/Mouseketeers would be expecting Kate & friends to try and get Jack off of the other island, no? Who was he shooting at then? Why not keep shooting once he determined who was out there? Why invite them in, patch them up (alright, pun intended) & let Locke wonder around free? As unlikely as it seemed at first, does anyone think Ms. Klugh was in the basement actually rigging up the C4? All questions and no answers from me, sorry. I suppose we should be used to that though, eh?

#155. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 11, 2007 2:59 PM

And while Locke was wondering, why let him wander?

#156. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 11, 2007 3:02 PM

With the spectacular release of the movie 300 this past weekend, and thinking about the comment that one of the producers of Lost said once upon a time about the names of the characters and the actors NOT being chosen at random, it sort of makes me wonder if there may be a correlation with Paolo (Rodrigo Santoro) and the character he plays in 300, Xerxes. The producers have said that Paolikki will become "iconic characters." Seems to me that Xerxes is nothing if not iconic. Or am I just grasping at Dharma straws here…

My other goofy theory is that Paolo and Nikki are Adam and Eve and somehow time goes backwards on this island. Or maybe two timelines running parallel, but maybe separated by ten or twenty years or so. Could explain Desmond's precognition - he's not seeing the future…he's remembering the past.

#157. Posted by: ransomjackson at March 12, 2007 8:23 AM

Hi Folks,
I loved this episode and am looking forward to Lost getting its swing back.
But my post here is something entirely different- I saw 300 this weekend (it is fabulous and awesome and is unlike anything you've ever seen). Rodrigo Santoro played Xerxes, as ransomjackson noted above, and he does quite a good job (such a good job that I was in utter disbelief when I found out it was him). A far cry from the poop jokes he is accustomed to on Lost. That being said- I must admit that I am becoming more curious about the Paulicki story line and hope to see something interesting come of it.
Anyway, go see 300, it is well worth it!

#158. Posted by: sarah c at March 12, 2007 10:02 AM

@Dr. Bologna: Excellent point on Ms. Klugh possibly being in the act of rigging the C4 when Sayid & co. arrived. I like that thought but if that's the case and she figured they'd eventually 'blow it up', they have to have another way to communicate and have power. So that couldn't have been the main source. If this all plays out then that had to have been a fake Flame. Haven't all of the hatches been underground? Not this one besides the 'basement'.

#159. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 12, 2007 11:06 AM

@Maureen Ponte - ..."wouldn't the losties want to load up that horse and take it with them?" 10-4 on that.

#160. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 12, 2007 11:12 AM

1st time poster -- love the recaps, Mac!

Getting back to the cat named Nadia...I find it strange that Patchy's "favorite athlete" is Nadia Comaneci, a Romanian gymnast, rather than Olga Korbut, a famous Russian gymnast. To me it just reinforces the theory that Patchy was really trying to mess with Sayid.

#161. Posted by: copwife at March 12, 2007 12:15 PM

I would not take the horse with me if I was trying to sneak up the the 'enimies' camp...what would I say - 'ssshhhhhh, mr. horse, duck down behind the rock so they don't see you'!!!

#162. Posted by: JT at March 12, 2007 1:13 PM

A few random comments on this episode:

I don't think Sayid's backstory was boring or just "filler." It gave us insight into why he doesn't kill Mikhail at the end of the episode. I think he's trying to make amends for his past as a torturer, and by keeping Mikhail alive, he's trying to be a better person than he was in Iraq. No?

Also, way back, someone put forth the theory that perhaps Nikki and Paulo are "others." I don't think that will be the case. If they were, then Hurley would have discovered them at the same time he discovered that Ethan was an Other. Because their names would not have been on the passenger list.

One more thing: Why would the Dharma Initiative set up camp (and hatches) on an island populated by "hostiles"? Why not cut bait and run?

#163. Posted by: Amanda S. at March 12, 2007 1:22 PM

I think Nikki and Paulo are going to play a huge part in this show. During the ping pong part, Sawyer said to Nikki, "Who the hell are you." The next immeditate shot is a close up of Paulo and he looks up at Sawyer almost as though Sawyer knows something. Or that Paulo is worried they are onto them. Just throwing it out there.

#164. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at March 12, 2007 2:41 PM

I think that they (the writers) may want us to think that Sayid did not kill him because he feels bad for what he has done in the past, but not too long ago he said that he did not feel bad for torturing Ben because he knew that he was lying. I think that he wants the Russian as a bargaining tool.

@JT - I would have taken the horse because of the amount of ammunition and supplies it could carry. You could always tie it to a tree. If you needed to you could attack and get away fast.

#165. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 12, 2007 2:43 PM

@Batteries Included- Sorry I missed your earlier comment about Paulo and Nikki being spies. I posted before reading yours. But I 100% agree with you. They are in on this whole thing. There is no other reason for the writers to include these two.

#166. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at March 12, 2007 3:00 PM

Es evidente que ustedes no conoces el trabajo de Rodrigo Santoro, porque si lo conocieran no se sorprenderían por su trabajo en 300.Ustedes hablan de él como si el fuera un malisimo actor y nunca han visto una película de él, y no me refiero a estas apariciones de él en peliculas en ingles, sino las películas por las que el ha sido reconocido internacionalmente por su actuación. Deberian de informarse bien antes de hablar.

#167. Posted by: julia at March 12, 2007 3:28 PM

I think ppl are making way too much of the look Paulo gave Sawyer when he asked Nikki "who the hell are you". To me it looked nothing more than a guy wondering why some other guy is being a bit of a jerk to his woman. Thats it. I dont see how this makes anyone theorize that they are spies.

#168. Posted by: kilorooster at March 12, 2007 3:55 PM

@ Julia - Que?

#169. Posted by: Batteries Included at March 12, 2007 5:14 PM

@ Julia: I don't think anybody is questioning Rodrigo's capabilities as an actor, we're just doubting the relevance of his character on Lost. So far, the 2 of them haven't really contributed anything, so it's hard for us longtime fans to get on the Paolikki bandwagon and be excited about them being there. The writers have promised us all that will change once their episode airs. I hope they're right, but until then I wouldn't expect too many accolades.

#170. Posted by: Trinity at March 12, 2007 5:27 PM

@julia - I agree with you completely!

#171. Posted by: meg at March 12, 2007 5:31 PM

Have we thought about the fact that Ms. Klugh could have been being held prisoner by Patchy in the basement.

#172. Posted by: dakota at March 12, 2007 6:42 PM

@dakota "Have we thought about the fact that Ms. Klugh could have been being held prisoner by Patchy in the basement."

Seems unlikely since it appears that 1) we are to believe that she was the one that the horse was saddled for and 2) she was giving Patchy orders.

#173. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 13, 2007 10:09 AM

@Julia - Echo what Trinity said. I think the posters here are referring to the character not the actor. He is obviously a very talented and versatile actor. From my understanding of what the producers are saying, he will get his chance to shine in Episode 3.14: Exposé.

#174. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 13, 2007 10:22 AM

I personally think that Paulo is a very good actor in real life...we just haven't seen it yet. So on that note, since we haven't seen it, I would like to declare myself as a better actor than him at this current moment. Reason: I take at least 3 dumps a day...I've only seen him take 2!

#175. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2007 11:41 AM

When I first saw the explosives in the basement of the flame building I thought they looked new and quickly installed. Maybe Mrs. Klugh was there to wire the building if the losties found it so it could be destroyed.

#176. Posted by: michael at March 13, 2007 12:41 PM

Red...Neck...Man - I just spit up my coffee

#177. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 13, 2007 1:16 PM

@Dr. Bologna: Good! I wasn't sure if that one would fly. Good to see someone w/ same sense of humor. And the best part is it's true!!

#178. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2007 2:16 PM

We cannot yet tell whether Paulo is a good actor or not. What we do know is he is 'hot' in his homeland and the LOST Producers have acknowledged that he has been added to the cast as 'eye-candy' for the female viewers.

#179. Posted by: DonnaD at March 13, 2007 2:40 PM

@Red...Neck...Man "I personally think that Paulo is a very good actor in real life...we just haven't seen it yet. So on that note, since we haven't seen it, I would like to declare myself as a better actor than him at this current moment. Reason: I take at least 3 dumps a day...I've only seen him take 2!"

After reading your post I laughed so hard you can put me down for 1. So as it stands: Red...Neck...Man-3, Paulo-2, bcre8ve-1.

Seriously though, you have to admit that as his movie takes off like it has - it sure figures that Lost will cash in pretty well. Paulo's episode airs in a couple of weeks. What fortunate timing for the Lost producers/writers. Fortunate? Is it fate or faith?

#180. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 13, 2007 4:45 PM

Hey, for all of you Obi-Locke debators out there.

John did not 'blow up the first hatch'. Desmond did the deed. John just stopped typing in the numbers. So, maybe this time he feels he has to type in 77 to see what will happen. Just an alternate universe thought...

#181. Posted by: Neo at March 13, 2007 4:48 PM

@ Red...Neck...Man

Just out of curiosity, what hand do you wipe yourself with?

#182. Posted by: ButchM at March 13, 2007 5:20 PM

@ Butch M: I use TP for my bunghole. Not my hands dummy!!

#183. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 13, 2007 6:40 PM

Translation of Julia:
It is evident that [you guys] do not know the work Rodrigo Santoro, because if you knew it, you would not be surprised by [his] work in '300'. [You guys] speak of him as if [he is a foreign] malisimo(?) actor and [you guys] have never seen a film of him, and I do not talk about to these appearances of him in (cameos?) in English, but the films by which [he] has been recognized internationally by [his] performance. Deberian(?) to (know what you are talking about) before speaking.

Adios!

#184. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at March 14, 2007 12:21 PM

that last comment is a sign that we need a new episode because this thread has gone balloon..............

#185. Posted by: oxo at March 14, 2007 12:40 PM

thanks for that translation PiecesofArzt
and in response to Julia's post...I suspect based on his actor/model background Rodrigo Santoro was cast in Lost for much more than to pop a few squats here and there. We just havent gotten to that part of the story yet. Also, I think the Lost fans will appreciate his "performance" ability as soon as he gets a chance to do something. We all thirst for another major player in the Lost story.

#186. Posted by: kilorooster at March 14, 2007 12:50 PM

tonight's our lucky night. :)

#187. Posted by: tiffani at March 14, 2007 12:52 PM

Good point Neo. Locke would have just blown everything else up.

#188. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 14, 2007 3:19 PM

@ Red...Neck...Man

You ruined my punch line. Good job.

#189. Posted by: ButchM at March 14, 2007 4:58 PM

@ Red...Neck...Man: Dude, I love your humor! (A bit childish, but who isn't?):) I'm guessing your dumps have also shown more versatility than Paolo has. I mean, they can be soft, firm, nutty, corny, etc. So far Paolo's just corny.

OK, I'll stop now!

#190. Posted by: Trinity at March 14, 2007 4:58 PM

I've gotta be known for interesting comments from now on. The poo-poo moniker ain't gonna cut it!

#191. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 15, 2007 12:53 PM

I've gotta be known for interesting comments from now on. The poo-poo moniker ain't gonna cut it!

#192. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 15, 2007 12:53 PM

Yo no le s estoy pidiendo que amen a Rodrigo Santoro, yo como fan de Lost también considero que estos personajes no han aportado nada,pero ustedes han hablado varias veces de Rodrido como si fuera un actor novato, un mal actor, y precisamente porque el no ha salido casi nada en la serie, ustedes no conocen su actuación y no conocen su trabajo, entonces creo que deberian darle una oportunidad antes de criticarlo.

#193. Posted by: Julia at March 15, 2007 1:56 PM

3-11 - Enter 77

The Flame hatch hold a
Russian enigma, with patch,
Locke simplifies it.

#194. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 20, 2008 11:50 AM

The reason Locke goes North on bearing 305 is because he reads on Eko's stick "Lift up your eyes and look north" John 3:05.

#195. Posted by: Kelsey at February 16, 2008 10:17 PM