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Key Points from "Left Behind"

Season 3, Episode 15
Episode Air Date: 04/04/07

Point 1
Kate

Juliet
Kate isn't as compelling as the writers like to believe. Oh sure, she's pretty and resourceful and she's much more interesting than she was in season one, but she's also the weakest link among the key characters.

And that's why this episode's central focus on her "adversarial" relationship with Juliet doesn't hit the right note. Superficially, a showdown between two alpha-females sounds hooky, but let's face it: Juliet is older, smarter and stronger. Juliet vs. Kate is like Batman vs. Robin -- an unequal battle between a seasoned veteran and a cocky upstart.

Even with this flaw -- perhaps in spite of it -- "Left Behind" still has plenty of high points, including the surprising return of Ol' Smokey. So let's get to it!

As the episode opens, Kate is still locked inside the Other's pool hall. She's tired of practicing trick shots and the Other TV only gets Lifetime, so she's itchin' for some action. Outside, Kate hears someone approach. She grabs a pool stick and hides near the hall's front door -- her visitor's nasal cavity is seconds from becoming a stick scabbard.

The door opens and Kate swings, but the oncoming Other deftly ducks and -- with ninja swiftness -- grabs Kate and flips her onto the hard concrete floor. It's Juliet! And she just schooled Kate without breaking a sweat!

Juliet composes herself. "I was bringing you a sandwich," she says while tucking a wayward strand of hair behind her ear. Kate sees ham and cheese detritus sprayed across the floor.

Kate pouts all night, but she brightens when Locke appears the next morning. Her enthusiasm is short lived. Locke's hand is bandaged, but beyond that he seems to be in good shape and in good spirits (especially for a guy who mere hours ago reunited with the father who tried to kill him). Locke makes no mention of Cooper, but he tells Kate that he's leaving with the Others. In ambiguous language, he says he tried to make a case for Kate, playing up her reliability and her honesty, but the Others then countered by revealing Kate's criminal past. "Forgiveness isn't one of their strong suits," Locke shrugs. "Good luck." With that, Locke leaves.

He Leaves! With the Others!

Kate is dumbfounded, but her confusion soon turns to panic when she looks outside and sees a squadron of gas-mask-clad Others scrambling around camp. Additional Others are carrying luggage, prepping to abandon Bennsylvania. What the?

The pool hall door flies open and a metal can rolls across the floor spouting toxic fumes. It's gas! Kate tries to break the pool halls' windows, but she soon succumbs to the fumes.

Sometime later -- perhaps the next day? -- Kate wakes in the jungle. It's a scene reminiscent of Locke's groggy opening in "Further Instructions," and Jack's awakening in the pilot episode and, well ... every other jungle come-to we've seen (these people have a consciousness problem).

But there's a twist. Looking to her right, Kate sees that she's handcuffed to Juliet. Her mortal enemy! Her love-triangle adversary!

Juliet is unconscious, so after Kate clears her mental cobwebs and absorbs her surreal predicament, she notices a small knife poking out of Juliet's pocket. Kate successfully nicks the knife, but Juliet suddenly wakes and snares Kate's wrist (she has to be a ninja -- no normal person can move that fast).

The standoff begins.

The shackles prevent a full-blown battle. Kate resists the urge to plunge the pocketknife into Juliet's jugular and Juliet resists the desire to kill Kate with her ninja brain ray. Instead, their predicament requires them to work together -- at least temporarily -- so the inevitable fisticuffs will have to wait ...

As their tempers calm, Juliet tells Kate that she, too, was gassed by the Others and she has no idea where her former comrades were going. She thinks this may be one of Ben's mind games.

Kate decides that a return to Bennsylvania is the best idea: Jack and Sayid might still be there and it's the only spot on the island with running water and an ample supply of refrigerated chicken.

BOOM! Thunder cracks across the sky and torrential rain descends.

Perhaps inspired by the downpour's violent entrance, Juliet and Kate start sniping at each other.

"I hope you're not going back for Jack," Juliet says, revving for a fight. "I was standing right there when he told you not to come back, and now that you've ruined his chance to get off the island ... "

WHACK! Kate stops her mid-sentence with a right hook. The duo tussle. The rain falls. Back in the Others' camp, Jack and Sayid munch on Doritos and watch the fight via closed-circuit cameras. "I hope they make out!" Sayid squeals. (Seriously -- this scene must have been written by male writers.)

Kate somehow overcomes Juliet's ninja training. She twists Juliet's arm behind her back and ...

CRUNCH

Juliet screams in pain. Kate dislocated her shoulder! Kate's face drops ... she didn't mean to do that.

But there's no time for apologies. Juliet's scream attracted an audience.

AAAOOOOOO! Smokey's primordial horn blows through the rain. Kate immediately looks to run, but Juliet is confused. She doesn't recognize the noise -- she doesn't know about Smokey!

Kate drags Juliet to her feet and the two dart toward a thicket of trees (the island's monsters have a problem with thickets -- Kate and Charlie used a thicket to thwart a previous Smokey attack in the very first episode and Walt escaped the sharp claws of a polar bear by hiding amidst trees). Smokey approaches and peers inside. Fear streaks across Juliet's face. Smokey's computer/calculator noise crunches nearby, then bright light bursts into the thicket. Smokey's mind-camera has a flash!

Smokey retreats. Kate and Juliet are safe, but there's still that minor matter of Juliet's dislocated shoulder. Juliet tells Kate not to flatter herself -- this is the fourth time Juliet's shoulder has popped -- but she does need Kate's help snapping it back into place. Kate is apprehensive, but Juliet knows how to reignite her aggression.

"We have cameras on the cages, Kate," Juliet says, enjoying every delicious moment of this revelation. "He saw you and Sawyer. The reason Jack told you not to come back, wasn't because he didn't want you to get hurt, it was because you broke his heart," Juliet says.

In the span of three seconds, Kate's eyes go from surprised to sad to embarrassed to enraged. The enraged bit does the trick -- Kate grabs Juliet's arm and twists her shoulder back into the socket. Juliet screams.

The next morning, Kate and Juliet set out for Bennsylvania (I think that's where they're going, but I could be wrong). As they walk, Kate sheepishly asks Juliet if Jack actually told her that his heart was broken. Juliet says he didn't need to and Kate -- poor, adolescent, MySpace-loving Kate -- sees this as an opening. She claims that Juliet doesn't know anything about Jack. Juliet retorts with a laundry list of Jack facts:

  • Juliet knows his height.
  • Juliet knows his weight.
  • Juliet knows his birthday.
  • Juliet knows his bloodtype.
  • And she knows his hometown, his marital history, his parents' professions, his lifetime batting average, his time in the 40, and how his father died.
"What do you know about him, Kate?" Juliet asks gleefully.

And of course Kate has no reply. Fortunately for Katie, she and Juliet are about to be distracted.

AAAAOOOOOOO!

Smokey's back!

The pair scampers through the woods and falls in a mud puddle (look closely and you'll see a "Girls Gone Wild" camera crew hiding in the bushes). Smokey closes in. The duo regains their footing and darts through the trees, only to arrive at the sonic death fence.

And this is when Juliet reveals her sinister side.

Without hesitation, Juliet unlocks her handcuff (she had a key the whole time!) and kneels before a keypad on the death fence. Punching in a code, she orders Kate to get to the opposite side. Kate is confused as hell, but she complies. Smokey billows amidst nearby bushes. Juliet pushes a button and the fence sparks to life. An attack is imminent, so Kate wisely runs into the trees, but Juliet holds her ground. Hey Jules, you might want to ...

SWEET FANCY MOSES, Smokey attacks!

WHUMMMMMMMMM ... WHUMMMMMM ...

Smokey smacks into the sonic death fence, but it can't get through! After two attempts, Smokey tires of this stupid little game and retreats. Juliet doesn't blink.

Kate emerges from the bushes -- she witnessed the entire attack -- but she's less concerned with Smokey's presence than with Juliet's lies.

Juliet realizes the jig is up. She admits that she and the Others don't know what Smokey is, but they do know it doesn't like the fence. More importantly, she tells Kate that she orchestrated the whole handcuffing thing as a way to gain Kate's trust. It was all a bid to assure she wouldn't be abandoned a second time.

Kate is speechless. She turns and walks into the jungle.

Sidenote: I'm confused by this handcuffing thing. Juliet claims that she was gassed by the Others, but if this is true, how did she get to the pool hall and shackle herself to Kate? How did she drag Kate into the woods before passing out? Is that right? Am I missing something here?

Moving on ...

Sometime later, Juliet and Kate arrive back at the Others' camp. Juliet volunteers to retrieve Sayid so Kate and Jack can spend some quality time together.

Kate finds Jack in his Other apartment. He's initially unconscious, but Kate's angelic presence wakes him up (either that or she's a little ripe from that mud-puddle incident). Kate takes this opportunity to apologize for screwing up Jack's escape plan. If she hadn't been so hellbent on rescuing him, they never would have found the Flame or the sonic death fence or the Other camp and Locke never would have blown up the sub (or the dock, or whatever he blew up).

Jack isn't in the mood. He changes the subject and asks if Juliet left with the Others. Now it's Kate's heart that's breaking (sucka!).

Kate says Juliet was also left behind. Jack's mind wanders -- hmm, Juliet.

But there's no time for lush fantasies. Jack's a leader and a leader's gotta lead.

He and Kate go outside and meet up with Sayid and Juliet. Jack and Sayid haven't seen each other since "Live Together, Die Alone" but there's nary a greeting between the two, let alone a much-needed moment of "can you believe the crap we've seen?" Rather, Sayid marvels at the Others' ability to vanish without a trace. "It's like 50 people disappeared into thin air," he says.

Sayid turns his attention to Juliet and says there's no way she's accompanying them back to camp. But Jack will have none of it. He knows she's been ostracized by the Others ... he also knows he's about 30 seconds from gettin' it on. So Juliet is going with them and the tribes are gonna merge and that's that.

Sayid responds with a microscopic eye-roll.

And that's when it ends.

Point 2
Kate Kate's backstory was played out last season, so the writers resorted to a little character-connection razzle dazzle to make things interesting in this latest installment. The big "twist" is that Kate and Sawyer's pre-island degree of separation was much, much closer than either of them realize. You see, Kate once crossed paths with Sawyer's long-con victim (and the mother of his child), Cassidy. Remember her? She's got a soft spot for smooth-talking conmen and a predilection toward fluffy femullets? Yeah, Kate and Cassidy were BFFs for about 10 minutes. We witness those 10 minutes in this episode.

So this is what we see/learn in the backstory:

  • Kate returns to her hometown in Iowa after a few months on the run. Upon arriving, she encounters Cassidy at a gas station and, sensing another criminal in trouble, Kate actually helps Cassidy extricate herself from a botched con (remember: Sawyer got Cassidy into the con game and she became quite adept at it).
  • Kate uses the assumed name "Lucy" for most of the backstory. After "Lucy" helps Cassidy out of her con mishap, Cassidy offers to help Lucy/Kate with her own problem. It takes some prodding, but Kate eventually admits that she's returned to Iowa to confront her mother, Diane.

    Dear old Diane is the one who snitched on Kate. For some strange reason, Kate believes that her plan to blow up her stepfather ("What Kate Did") was foolproof, and if her own mother hadn't turned her in, mother and daughter would be sitting on a beach earning 20 percent on the insurance profits.

    Kate = Idiot.

    Her plan was riddled with holes. Gee, I wonder why a known wife-beater would suddenly die in a gas explosion just weeks after a new insurance policy was taken out? And I wonder if the person who took out that policy could have a role in his death?

  • So, Cassidy helps Kate establish contact with her mother. Kate and Diane have a reunion/showdown in a ladies room and Diane makes it abundantly clear that she doesn't condone father explosions. Their meeting ends on a real downer. "If I ever see you again, the first thing I will do is yell for help," Diane threatens.
  • In the closing moments of the backstory, Kate tells Cassidy her real name and, for a brief moment, Cassidy toys with the idea of telling Kate about her history with Sawyer. But Cassidy never mentions Sawyer by name, so the Kate-Sawyer-Cassidy connection will remain unknown until Cassidy mysteriously appears in an Other supply closet.
Point 3
Sawyer

Hurley
Kate and Hurley are two sides of the same coin (stick with me). Kate is portrayed as a central character and Evangeline Lilly is always featured in the marketing material (for good reason). But, really, Kate isn't all that noteworthy.

Then we have Hurley. In my very first "Lost" review I harped on Hurley's overuse of "dude" and I figured him to be a superficial comic-relief character; a guy who's inevitable death would be a sad but fleeting plot point in the early days of the series.

Oh how wrong I was. To me, Kate's lackluster character development is cancelled out by the "Hurley Surprise." His connection to the numbers and his role as the castaways' conscience are key to the show's overall development. I never would have pegged Hurley as a series linchpin, but it's a pleasant turn of events.

Okay, that's enough of my half-assed analysis. Let's move on ...

This episode showcases Hurley's Jiminy Cricket side. Early on, he warns Sawyer that the castaways are mulling banishment for the nickname-spouting, foul-attitude-having, supply-hoarding conman. Hurley suggests that a little bit of friendly could go a long way toward keeping Sawyer ensconced at the beach camp.

Sawyer reluctantly agrees to Hurley's suggestion and over the course of the episode Hurley acts as Sawyer's campaign manager. He guides Sawyer through the finer points of "being nice." This manifests itself in a visit with Claire and baby Aaron (the high point is Sawyer's observation/compliment that Aaron "isn't as wrinkly as he was a couple weeks ago") and an early-morning boar hunt with Desmond.

At the conclusion of the episode, Sawyer hosts a boar-roast complete with island fruit and a bountiful supply of skunked Dharma beer (Sawyer acquired the 25-year-old brew from the back of the VW bus in "Tricia Tanaka is Dead"). Sensing contentedness amidst the tribe, Sawyer sidles up to Charlie and, with a Cheshire grin, asks him to keep this wonderful feast in mind while he's voting at that evening's banishment meeting.

Charlie looks at Sawyer. Banishment meeting?

Sawyer's face drops. Hurley conned the con man.

Sawyer confronts Hurley and Hurley admits that banishment was never even discussed. Rather, he orchestrated Sawyer's "Campaign of Niceness" because Sawyer is now the camp's de facto leader and he needs to be in the group's good graces.

"What if I don't want to be the leader?" Sawyer whines.

"Sucks for you, dude," Hurley says, mawing on a boar leg.

During the episode's closing montage, Sawyer seems to enjoy his newfound role ... if only for a moment. He even goes so far as to hold Aaron while Claire eats, but as he clutches the wee man, he looks toward Sun and immediately feels the death ray beaming from her eyes.

Sawyer bows his head. That whole kidnapping thing is still in play.

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "You, sir, Hugo, are rotund, annoying, and you're ruining my damn view!" -- Sawyer to Hurley.
  • Second Best Line: "Welcome to the wonderful world of not knowing what the hell's going on." -- Kate to Juliet.

  • Just in case you're wondering, the sonic death fence activation code is not 4 8 15 16 23 42. I'm not entirely sure what Juliet punches in, but it looks like the last digit is 3.
  • Where did the Others go? And how did they bugger off without leaving tracks? Could the map Sawyer discovered in "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" outline a tunnel system rather than roadways?
  • Will any of the current castaways pull up stakes and relocate to the Others' abandoned compound? Granted, the Others' sudden departure doesn't bode well and there's always the chance they'll return, but when you compare beach livin' with indoor plumbing and pool halls, it's hard to resist the siren song of suburbia.
  • What's Locke up to? Is he joining the Others, or, will he use their resources to construct an eight-story building that will eventually be used as a launching pad/retribution center for his father?
  • The Others' lack of "forgiveness" suggests a Puritanical belief system. Could they be old-school proponents of "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"? Or, do they simply need an outsider bad-boy to show them that dancing isn't a sin?

  • I'm assuming Alex was part of the Other exodus, but wouldn't Rousseau be watching her like a hawk? Maybe Rousseau knows where the Others went ... and maybe she'll share that information toward the end of the season. Hmm ...

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That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"One of Us" -- A joyous reunion turns sour when an Other enters the castaways' ranks. Airs Wednesday, April 11, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Great Review Mac.

Juliet's handcuffing to Kate is a ploy.

#1. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at April 5, 2007 11:54 AM

Could there be a better ep than Kate in a wet t-shirt, girl fight in the jungle, and a romp in the mud?! I have to watch again in slow motion.

#2. Posted by: gk at April 5, 2007 11:54 AM

"Sitting on a beach, collecting 20%"...I think that was Hans Gruber's plan. Didn't work out so well.

#3. Posted by: Josh at April 5, 2007 12:06 PM

@meg I

Sorry about the not first thing this week. There's always next week...

#4. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 12:07 PM

@Josh: Nice catch. That's exactly what I was shooting for. -- mac

#5. Posted by: mac at April 5, 2007 12:09 PM

GRAA Mac,

Yo Meg...what up? Getting old?

Locke's leaving with no explantion caught me by surprise...can't wait for that explanation/episode.

Loved the girl-on-girl mud wrestling. Yeah, it was manipulative and contrived as hell, but hey, I'm a guy.

Juliet gave Kate a righteous ass-whupping. Made Katie look like she was standing still. Practically superhuman she was...almost robotic...cyborg-ish...

I thought Kate's nom de con "Lucy" had more to do with her outlandish schemes than anything else. And Cassidy needs to go back to Con School. Can't sell gold necklaces to rubes in Iowa? Criminy...

Loved Smoky...I thought he/it sounded a lot like a JP T-rex.And why couldn't Smoky go OVER the fence? Afraid of heights?

#6. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 5, 2007 12:10 PM

Did anyone else notice the use of the words "good" and "bad" throughout the episode? For example, Locke said to Kate something like "I thought you were good... but the others told me about your past" something like that. Then I believe Juliett also said something similar. Off and on throughout the episode I noticed the words "good" and "bad." Anybody with a Tivo want to count them? Point of this whole posting, good/bad, black/white, rain/mud? Also good to reveal the reason for the perimeter fence was to keep ole Smokey out, not harmless little bunnies and boars and losties. And 'they' don't know what Smokey is either? Waz up with dat?

#7. Posted by: BunnyLover at April 5, 2007 12:12 PM

The code Juliette typed in to activate the fence was 1623. I saw the video in slowmo.

#8. Posted by: skeets at April 5, 2007 12:13 PM

The whole thing with Juliet was strange because despite not seeing anyone actually leave the compound, Juliet knew she had been "left behind". When she returned to camp, she also knew that Sayid and Jack were there, but she didn't mention Locke...as if she knew he was gone. We already know the she has no problem lying and she’s a total flip-flopper

Can’t wait to find out what happen with Locke’s Dad, obviously something important was explained to Locke for him to decide to go with them to another part of the island. I also think part of the reason why they are leaving is because in the last episode, Locke implied that the reason Ben hadn’t healed was because they lived comfortably in houses and with food – Ben didn’t deserve to be there.

What were those flashes from Smokey?? If Juliet was telling the truth about no knowing wearing it came from, then Smokey can’t be what Ben meant the “magic box” She could be lying though. Why couldn’t it just fly over the fence????

At last but not least Paulikki did not rise from their gruesome deaths. YAYYYY!!! Good Episode

#9. Posted by: Mary at April 5, 2007 12:15 PM

Mac, your analysis of Hurley's is very smart. I would say you used at least three-fourths of your ass, not just "half".
RWS

#10. Posted by: Wade at April 5, 2007 12:15 PM

Wait a second.

So, Kate and crew were able to go over the fence safely without any harm. But the smoke monster couldn't?

Come on. Did they overlook this? The smoke monster has been high above the ground before. Hell, it pulled the pilot out of the plane that was still in a tree.

#11. Posted by: schiano at April 5, 2007 12:17 PM

I thought one of the best lines was when Sawyer tried to smile at Jin and said, "I don't have the Korean vote, that's for sure."

This espisode was okay, not the best and definitely not the worst. I wish they'd showed more about Locke and his dad. Also, I think Juliet is not really on the other side now. She had the key which shows she is part of the mind game. Unless they planted it on her, but that just doesn't make sense.

I restrained myself from being "first", and I sure hope Jon is FOUND appreciates this..:)

#12. Posted by: meg at April 5, 2007 12:18 PM

Comments on this episode:

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o Why the sudden departure of the Others?

Because it's all ruined now that the Losties know where Losteria Lane is and have proven they can get in? Or totally unrelated to the Losties? Hostiles, perhaps?

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o Is the departure temporary or permanent?

They certainly seemed to be leaving suddenly, taking only what they could carry on their backs, leaving a lot of infrastructure behind.

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o What can wee infer from the fact that they took Locke with them?

One of them all along? Converted? Useful? Whim?

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o Or from the fact they knocked out, but didn't otherwise harm the Left Behinders?

Benign intentions? Really are the good guys? Leaving permanently and so indifferent to the Losties?

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o Why gas the people being left behind on Losteria Lane?

The only explanation that makes sense to me is so they wouldn't see just HOW the Others left. Dharma helicopters, perhaps? Operating off that nice cleared field Kate and Sawyer were working on?

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o What kind of gas was that, anyway?

My first thought was tear gas, but tear gas wouldn't knock people out, and would leave them nauseous.

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o The future of Losteria Lane.

Any reason the Losties should (or shouldn't) move in to Losteria Lane and avail themselves of the facilities?

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o Smoky!

OK, so here we have a clear indication that the Smoke Monster is NOT an artifact of the Others, not in their control, and is actually hostile to the Others, the the extent that they feel they need to defend themselves against it, and is stopped the 'acoustic energy field fence". What does this tell us of the nature of Smoky? Was the true reason for the fence to defend against Smoky, and who/whatever he/it represents? And what were those flashes as Kate and Juliette cowered in the tree?

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o Juliette.

So apparently she is not considered "one of us", at least not completely, by the Others. Unless, of course, this is a ploy.


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o POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW - SKIP IF YOU DON'T WATCH THE PREVIEWS


Did you see the sub conning tower in the previews? It was really brief and strangely lit, but in the magic of DVR stop motion was pretty clear. So is this:

(1) A second sub?
(2) Evidence Locke DIDN'T destroy the sub? or
(3) A flash back?

#13. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 5, 2007 12:18 PM

Mac -- "I hope they make out!" Sayid squeals ... and "Girls Gone Wild" references --- HILARIOUS!

Here's my thoughts on last night's episode....

* Juliet is toast. Seriously. Only two people have been "scanned" by the smoke monster to date: Locke and Ecko. Locke has proven to be special. When he looked into the "eye of the island", he saw beauty. When Ecko looked, he was thrown against the trees and killed, after confessing to the manifestation of his dead brother that he did the best he could with what he was given in his life. Last night Juliet was scanned by the smoke monster. I don't know what actress Elizabeth Mitchell's contract calls for (1 or 2 seasons of LOST?), but I'm seeing that writers have set her up to [possibly] die. Also, another Juliet note: She's dislocated her arm 4 times ??? Jeez, what the heck is she doing (or hanging out with) where she's dislocated her arm so often?? I've *never* dislocated my arm. I think that was a "story seed" that will pay off later.
* Locke. Wow. He seemingly drank the Others Kool-Aid. Strange. What the heck??!
* Rousseau. It's been posited on other LOST fan sites that Rousseau (last seen hiding in the forest) helped Locke hide the submarine. That the submarine was not blown up. That Locke pulled a fast one, which is why he was wet on the dock during the episode "The Man From Tallahassee". I thought Locke's reaction to Kate this week was telling. When she asked about where Rousseau was, Locke paused and I almost sensed that he had something to say about that. Interesting, no? Also, I wonder if the reunion between Alex and Rousseau has happened?! Offscreen of course -- to be revealed later. Is it possible that since both Alex and Rousseau were in the forest at the same time, that somehow Locke got them to submerge the submarine? And they're both underwater right now getting to know each other better?
* The Others Leaving. Huh? What the heck? There is another story happening that we haven't been told about yet. Why would they abandon their homestead? Why so fast? The Beach Losties should move into the Others' barracks now that they have left! All the comforts of home and a sonic fence to keep the smoke monster out!
* Kate's Flashback. The Cassidy/Kate connection is interesting. And this episode seemed to be all about Kate and her relationships with women (Kate & Cassidy; Kate & Juliet; Kate & her mother).

I see a parallel between what Kate learned from her mother vs. what Kate learned from Jack. Kate's mother said (in a nutshell) that Kate's actions (killing her step-father) were selfish. You can't help who you love! Kate said she did it for her mother!! Kate's mom said, "You did it for yourself!". Hmmmm. Meanwhile, Kate apologizes to Jack for ignoring his request to leave him. The dialogue could have, but didn't, read the same. Kate said she came back for Jack. She really came back for him because of what *she* needed/wanted.

* More Kate Observations: Kate, during the real-time story this week, was being held captive in the game room. Those Others (especially Ben) love games! I noted, however, that when Locke entered the room to speak with Kate that Ms. Kate was playing ... backgammon. LOST fans will remember that this is the game Locke played with Walt in season 1. Locke had some sort of dialogue that went like this: "Two opposing forces, one good, one bad ..."

* Meanwhile Back at the Beach... The writers have definitely been rehabilitating Sawyer, trying to change him for the good.

* More About Juliet & Jack: Last night left me with a feeling of unease regarding Juliet and Jack. First, Juliet pulled another manipulation with Kate -- the handcuffs. Juliet is a lier-lier-pants-on-fire! Some things don't change. This season has been called by the producers "the snake in the mailbox". I take that to mean that one reaches into one's mailbox with comfort that everything will be like it always is ... and one is shocked to discover that a poisonous snake is in there instead! So ..... The show seems to imply that Juliet will change her evil ways and become a Lostie. Of course, the promos for next week show that not all are accepting of her presence. My point is this: Could Juliet ... and Jack (!!) ... be pulling a con? Infiltrating the Lostie group? Jack's work with Ben seems to be done. He removed the tumor. However, it was implied that Jack would serve a larger purpose with the Others. Confusing .... Where are they going with this? I just can't believe, though, that Juliet was left behind and "excommunicated".

* LOST Thematic Thoughts... What's confusing me on this show is what stance the writers are taking on the topic of redemption?

Obviously some themes of the show are: change, redemption, atoning for past "sins". With Sawyer last night, the word "amends" was used -- which is a concept of the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous.

But, to me, the morals on the show are a bit extreme. For instance, Ecko is killed by the smoke monster when he denounces his past sins as the result of making the best of what he was given in life.

And Locke sounded downright judgmental with Kate last night when he mentioned her past.

And then, describing the Others, Locke used the word "unforgiving".

So why are the forces on the island and the Others so darn severe in their judgment?

What are the writers saying here?

To me, it's a notion of perfection that we cannot live up to! What is required of us, as humans, to get past our former "sins" and become "good" people?

It seems like the show is saying we MUST FEEL BAD AND REPENT over our past mistakes. Ecko did not show remorse, but instead accepted that he did the best with what he had --- is this not an acceptable answer?

LOL. Sorry to be so deep, but I'm really trying to understand this super-theme that the LOST writers have been revealing to us slowly over the last few seasons.

Thanks, Mac! I luv coming here the day after the show airs!!

#14. Posted by: Matt-DC at April 5, 2007 12:19 PM

WHAT IS WRONG with you "first" people of the world? Where do you COME from? Nevermind, it's really not so compelling a mystery.

Kate should have looked over Juliet's shoulder for the sonic fence code.

Juliet (undoubtedly trained by Benry) is far sneakier than Kate could ever aspire to be, and I don't trust her for a second. Spy! Spy!

And yeah, running water? A/C? Drywall? Pool table? Chicken? Piano? Pack it up, Beachies and head to the 'Burbs.

#15. Posted by: Guv at April 5, 2007 12:20 PM

@Mac --
Could the map Sawyer discovered in "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" outline a tunnel system rather than roadways?

Wasn't that Sayid's map, found at the Flame or am I getting my episodes run together and need a reread of your reviews? :D

#16. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at April 5, 2007 12:22 PM

@Neal: Actually, there are two maps. Sawyer discovers a map in the back of the VW van and Sayid later found an electrical/wiring map in the Flame.

#17. Posted by: mac at April 5, 2007 12:24 PM

Great Post Mac, I <3 U!

#18. Posted by: Jenny Talia at April 5, 2007 12:28 PM

The Smokey not going over the fence thing will bug me for all eternity unless someone does some 'splainin. I swear that I even had a dream about it last night. I don't even need a plausible explation but it needs to be addressed. I'm hoping Sayeed brings it up during next week's interrogation.

Also, was I the only one bothered by the Dharma "A-1" sauce? I mean, the bottle actually said A-1, a brand name, and not "Dharma Steak Sauce" or something like that.

#19. Posted by: Razzle Dazzle at April 5, 2007 12:29 PM

Whatever Smoky is or is not, those flashes are a critical key/clue. Maybe Smoky's got a photo album?

"Mama don't take my Kodachrome
Mama don't take my Kodachrome
Mama don't take my Kodachrome away"

Much like the Alien didn't chomp on Sigourney in Alien 3 b/c it knew she was soon to become an Alien mommy, Smoky knew not to harm Juliet for a similar reason. Either she's "good" or she's a clone or she's a cyborg/robot or she really needed a bath…whatever.

#20. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 5, 2007 12:31 PM

I feel like the writers got a little lazy in this episode. Kate and (maybe) Juliet are gassed, and wake up within a minute of each other. They then traipse through the jungle, spend the night in the bush, and finally get back to Losteria Lane the next morning. JUST IN TIME for Jack and Sayid to awaken from their own gas-induced blackout!

I know the writers needed to create the Kate/Jack moment, but they could have done better.

Of course, when I mentioned that Jack & Sayid were knocked out much longer to my wife, she simply noted "that's why we have the babies"!

One more thing... is it just me, or is this two degrees of separation thing starting to bother anyone else?

#21. Posted by: Buck41 at April 5, 2007 12:33 PM

I really think Juliet is such the con-artist! She is definately playing everyone. I don't think she was unconscious in the beginning at all- just faking it. She's very tricky, that one! Who knows what she's got up her sleeve. But she most definately knows more that she's letting on, to anyone, Jack included. The whole smoke monster thing. I think she knows she's done for (since the thing "read" her and all).

And I have wondered, too, why everyone doesn't just come back to the neighborhood to live. I mean, they are obviously not getting rescued anytime soon. And why not enjoy some running water for a while. And I really don't get why Kate and Juliet don't want to get a shower ASAP. Puhlease!

#22. Posted by: erinb at April 5, 2007 12:33 PM

Just for the dislocating of the shoulder comment above...

Once you dislocate a shoulder (or other joint), it becomes easier and easier to have it dislocated. This is why many people get pins in their joints.

#23. Posted by: schiano at April 5, 2007 12:34 PM

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#24. Posted by: Anne at April 5, 2007 12:35 PM

Bennsylvania, that was too funny.
My other question about the episode....
Kate and Juliet filthy with mud, why not stop and take a shower????? What's the hurry, come on, five minutes folks.

#25. Posted by: donna at April 5, 2007 12:47 PM

I take no credit for Bennsylvania -- that was generated by the creative regulars. -- mac

#26. Posted by: mac at April 5, 2007 12:50 PM


WHAT I SAW TONIGHT (11:10 EST - 4/04/07)

As a composer, I know that every piece of music contains a myriad of streams that circle and elaborate on a central theme, therein giving that apparent singular subject a multifaceted “personality”. Multifaceted, in that, no piece of music can be made up of ONLY dissonance, or ONLY consonance. Every good composition, AND story, has a equal share of reiteration and contrast - some drama, some comedy, some joy, some sadness, some angst, some spirituality, on and on.

I think that’s why, when others are “pissing and moaning” about how a certain episode is “useless” or “doesn’t move the plot along”, I tend to simply enjoy it as a “facet” of a larger picture. And obviously, LOST has given us a myriad of distraction this “second” season - from Hurley’s joy-riding VW bus saga; to Kate’s posse going to the rescue of Jack in that three episode serial featuring a good recipe for “Fried Russian”; to last week’s “sit on the edge of your chair screaming at the top of your voice that you can’t believe what you’re watching!” Hitchcock-noir episode!

And then, there’s tonight - an episode I found baffling at first, but with a few minutes thought, I’m thinking that we are on the crest of a major “information wave” in next weeks apparent “Sayid and Juliette have a heart-to-heart” episode. I’m glad they show previews immediately following the show. It actually helped clarify my thoughts about tonight’s chapter.

And tonight? What’s the REAL story of John Locke? Is he running his own agenda? Does he mean MORE to the “others” than even he knows? Has he JOINED the “others” or does it just appear as a possibility? What’s he hiding from ALL of the folks on the island?

Has anybody really ever counted HIS toes?

And poor, poor Kate. How much anguished emotional stress can we heap on one character? Cry me a River! You reap what you sow! If nothing else, it was quite the “morality play” tonight!

And of course, this was obviously a Kate-centric episode, but JULIETTE was indeed a MAJOR player tonight! Obviously, Ben is not the ONLY mind-game-playing “Other”!
DIDN’T know about the smoke monster. Uuuuhhh, DID know about the smoke monster. DIDN’T have the key - whoops, DID have the key. Fence? What fence?
Oh....THAT fence. DE-fence! DE-fence! Played every card in the deck tonight - Little Girl Lost, Shock and Awe, Lovelorn Advisor, “Catty” Other Woman, Take Charge Rescuer!

(In the midst of that, I must thank the writers for the “Charlie’s Angels handcuffed girls race through the jungle falling into the ONLY major mud hole within 50 miles” moment! - Obviously there was no way to work a tub of jello into the story line!)

And on the other side of the island - Let’s give it up big time for Hurley!!!!! What a marvelous con - Forcing out the “softer side of Sawyer”. I don’t know, but I think I actually “giggled” at a couple of those moments - Can guys “giggle”?!? (Actually, there was a good tie-in in the backstory . . . Cassie is pregnant with Sawyer’s child, and WE ALL KNOW that Sawyer did the RIGHT THING for his little girl way back in season two.) Obviously, he still has to work on the “Korean vote” . . . but I’m not too worried.

LOTS of future plot possibilities (and questions) opened up tonight:

Kate-Jack-Juliette? There’s a trifecta worth watching!

The “Others” lost-colony exodus?

Do you think CFW is “tailing” the fleeing villagers?

Did they order a “scoot-around” for Ben for that overland escape?

Kate’s Mom moved from Florida to Iowa? Iowa!?!

Who IS John Locke?

Are Locke’s eyes getting “shiftier” every week?

Anybody even considering the whereabouts of that mysterious “third” group - the “Hostiles”? Sooner or later . . . ? . . .

Is Oceanic Airlines stock coming back up on the NYSE?

OK writers: We did the “mudhole” thing - so why wasn’t there the proverbial “girls in prison shower scene” before leaving camp?

Who is “Steve” and why is he the ONLY guy carrying the water to the beach?

Can’t wait to see what “mac” and the rest of the longtime blog-friends have to say tomorrow! At least it was an episode without the adrenaline-rush-ending tonight - we should all be able to go to sleep quicker than last week . . .

Cheers.

DRH

#27. Posted by: davidrh at April 5, 2007 1:00 PM

My first impressions after last night:

The other's were raptured... everyone else was Left Behind.

raptured = enlightened to whatever the Other's enlighten themselves to.

smokey = decides who is enlightened

Kind of alludes to a purgatory theme. Not really sure it's supposed to *be* purgatory, but the series seems to be using the island as a metaphor for purgatory...

#28. Posted by: Helen at April 5, 2007 1:01 PM

@ Cecil Rose "What kind of gas was that, anyway? My first thought was tear gas, but tear gas wouldn't knock people out, and would leave them nauseous."

@Razzle Dazzle "Also, was I the only one bothered by the Dharma "A-1" sauce? I mean, the bottle actually said A-1, a brand name, and not "Dharma Steak Sauce" or something like that."

There was another real roduct too. (unless it is an elaborate hoax by TPTB - which I wouldn't put past them).

You could make out the name of the company (ALS) and their web address on the smoke cannister:

alslesslethal.com

(add to above to get apparent specific product)/SpecsHtm/psg272.htm

@Buck41 "Kate and (maybe) Juliet are gassed, and wake up within a minute of each other. They then traipse through the jungle, spend the night in the bush, and finally get back to Losteria Lane the next morning. JUST IN TIME for Jack and Sayid to awaken from their own gas-induced blackout!"

I don't think that Sayid was still out when they arrived. He had already had time to check and know that everyone was gone and had taken everything with them. They did place TWo cannisters of gas next to Jack so I guess we were to believe that he got doubly gassed? Yeah, kinda lame.

#29. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 1:04 PM

OK, So I've done a bit of back-tracking and discovered that, yes, Kate does come from Iowa . . . somehow I had Florida on my mind . . .

So the question changes: Kate's Mom moved from Florida to Iowa? now becames:

Why would Kate's Mom STAY in Iowa?

Just a joke! Just a joke! My home town is not THAT FAR from the Iowa border!

Cheers again.

DRH

#30. Posted by: davidrh at April 5, 2007 1:12 PM

I think there is NO WAY it's a coincidence that Juliet mentions Ben's admiration of mind games and she JUST HAPPENS to have the key to the cuffs. We didn't NOT see her (sorry for the double negative there...) with a mask on, so why should we believe that she didn't don a mask, get Kate out, drag her to the jungle, then cuff them together? We should know by now not to take anything for granted in this show. Sure, she doesn't want to be left out, but maybe she intended to be left behind, all under the direction of Benry, and all for the reason to infiltrate (again) the beach. Sadly, I think Jack is in on this, but not to betray the survivors...I think it's Juliet who will get hers in the end.

About ol smokey...it did indeed appear to scan Juliet, so if the Others do know about this thing, how did she not know what it would do to her? Should we believe her just because she says they know about it but don't know what it does? Who's to say that the Others didn't create this thing themselves, in collaboration with the "magic box"? Maybe they understand what it is capable of, hence the fence. Maybe it had never scanned an Other before because they prevented it from doing so. Either way, I do agree with whoever said it up there....looks like, if anything follows suit here, Juliet might Smokey's next victim, a la Eko....foreshadowing? We shall see...

#31. Posted by: Vikki at April 5, 2007 1:15 PM

@Mac--
Thanks for your review- as always. hows baby? mine crawled today for the first time! yea!

2 things--

1. favorite line-- Sawyer " I dont 'do' amends"

2. the "thicket" of trees is actually one tree --its a banyon tree its sprouts go to the ground and root and create a maze of above ground roots. theyre cool and are all over hawaii--the largest (in the world?)being in Lahaina, Maui. just so you know. theyre great trees and part of the reason i love "lost" -- the hawaii-centricness (hows that for a made up word!)

anyway- good luck with the cup!

#32. Posted by: pagew at April 5, 2007 1:20 PM

@ GUV re: WHAT IS WRONG with you "first" people of the world? Where do you COME from? Nevermind, it's really not so compelling a mystery.

Why is it that the 'first' people take a mere 'second' to annoy a 'third' party after an April 'fourth' show? So we can metaphorically hi 'five' each other!

#33. Posted by: rich at April 5, 2007 1:26 PM

WHY CAN'T SMOKEY JUMP THE FENCE?

First off, let's agree it didn't know it was going to hit the fence at first. So, there was no reason to start it's attack by going over something it didn't know about. I thought, as it "hit" the fence, that it was being disrupted! Was I the only one who thought it might suddenly get zapped somehow or dissipate, if only temporarily? (After being blown up, we know it can reform) But instead, it looked like it was spinning around in circles, out of control for a bit. At that point, I think it was so rattled, it decided a retreat was the best option for now. Ever touch a lightbulb while changing it and get zapped by the current? Similar thing, it rattles the nerves in your arm for a few minutes.

I think it could easily have "learned" from this encounter, and it might not work again. However, Juliet did say something like "it doesn't like the fence", implying previous contacts, so who knows for sure. I do think rattling it up a bit kept it from trying anything else though. Loved the polaroids it took of Jules brain, but I agree with the earlier poster who suggests this bodes ill for her, I agree completely. And with at least one stone cold shootdown to her credit, I don't think Juliet will be judged good anytime soon.

Ever wonder how the monster makes -any- sounds at all? Does it form speakers in mid air? :D

#34. Posted by: The Duf at April 5, 2007 1:26 PM

@davidrh: I think guys "chuckle."

@bcre8ve: Maybe they also bonked Jack on the head just to make sure he wouldn't wake up early. But then why didn't Sayid try to wake him, to help explore?

#35. Posted by: hurling at April 5, 2007 1:31 PM

I'm pretty jacked up for the prospect of next week delivering some much needed answers. It looks like it'll be Juliette's backstory of how she came to the island (standing on submarine) and what she was brought there to accomplish (Ethan shushing her, saw a needle or two in preview - mommy-tummy injections for all!). If anyone can convince her to confess it's Sayid. A couple bamboo shoots under the fingernails 'ala Sawyer would do the trick.

What's bothering me is that I'm sure that Ben wants all this to happen.

And how 'bout the ballsacks on the Others? Ben intentionally gets caught and pro'ly knew he'd get his heine kicked. Now they send Juliette to the beach, right into the mouth of the lion. Only a cunning clan of super ninjas could pull off such a feat.

And ya, Smokey not going over the SDF is a bit of an oops....that is unless Juliette knows exactly what it is and how it reacts/moves and also it's purpose. The Others gotta know.

And thanks to the producers for the trip in the mud for my two gals. Dirty, Dirty girls!

#36. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 1:35 PM

I think one of the bigger revelations of this ep is that when kate's mom gets splatted with chili and the sawyers gal starts apologizing the mom replies with "No worries". This is NOT an Iowa saying it is an australian saying so she has some connection to australia. Maybe Kate was in australia looking for this connection when she got caught by the marshall before they got on the plane. Convenient that the marshall knew she was there? Mom is such a snitch.
And Juliette is a snake and always will be ... bury her next to Poopy and Stikki!!!

#37. Posted by: lost addict at April 5, 2007 1:38 PM

As always, great review Mac. I'd vote for your blog 100 times if I could.

Why didn't Smokey just go over the fence? Because the writers didn't want him to. I'm sure we'll never get a good explanation for it. It's the first thing I thought of too though!!!

GREAT scene with Locke telling Kate goodbye. Great acting and great setup to keep us salivating for the next Locke-centric ep.

I'm going to be really peeved if they don't ask Juliet every question they ever wanted answered about the Others. Kate should've been more chatty with her while they were walking through the forest...but only wanted to talk about Jackie-poo?

When they arrive back at the beach it will be the perfect opportunity to figure out exactly what the heck is going on with the Others. Although, if Juliet really is just a plant then any answers she gives would be suspect. Still, if she's really an ex-Other then she shouldn't have a problem with spilling the beans.

The Losties won't migrate to Bennsylvania. Hope springs eternal...they'll want to stay near the beach for a potential rescue. Plus they've seen what the Others can do, and the average beach comer wouldn't want to be potentially any closer to the Others than necessary. And they've already proven with the 1st hatch that they don't give a squat about having the luxuries of home!

#38. Posted by: JoePike at April 5, 2007 1:49 PM

@MAC

The code for "electric fence" was 1623 (not sure if anyone else posted that already)

#39. Posted by: Sillgirl0630 at April 5, 2007 1:50 PM

Here are my various thoughts/theories:

Juliet has been "planted" among the Losties by Ben to spy on them and/or learn more. She did not get gassed, hence it's why she "woke up" just after Kate. This is all part of a master plan, and she has specific instructions on what to learn from them and more importantly what to tell them.

Juliet and the others know about Smokey and probably created and/or control it, and that Juliet is just pretending she doesn't know much about it. To prove her point, the Smokey into the fence scene was orchestrated by the Others, which is why it didn't go over the fence. They wanted it to appear like they are afraid of it, and what better way than to use the fence to show they have protected themselves from it.

When Smokey "read" Juliet, it's possible that "could" have been controlled by Ben to "read" her thoughts to ensure she is still complying by the plan. Alternately (if the Others don't control the monster), Juliet saw "bright light", just like Locke (whom it did not kill), thus implying she is good, not bad. However she also saw black smoke (although that could have only been from Kate's point of view), so maybe Juliet is both good and bad, and things could go either way for her.

Does anyone notice a resemblance with Kate's mom and Juliet or her sister?

During Alex's talk with Locke while they approached the submarine, she told him that Ben likes to play mind games. Locke took this opportunity to deceive Jack into thinking he blew up the sub. Instead he hid it and this is how the Others left.

Locke is part of the whole Other/Island mystery. When he was rejected to take the Walkabout, I think he was approached by someone to go to a very different walkabout - an island with healing powers - where he can do great things when he is one with the island. While relieved, I don't think Locke was surprised when he regained the use of his legs after the crash; he knew it would happen. He knew his purpose there was to work with the island and it's powers. This was foreshadowed in Expose: "It was you all along".

Thoughts, anyone?

#40. Posted by: BEMH at April 5, 2007 1:51 PM

@hurling . . .

"chuckle" it is. I'm feeling much more manly now. Thanks.

DRH

#41. Posted by: davidrh at April 5, 2007 1:54 PM

Did anyone else notice that Kate's baseball cap (from the flashbacks) said "Cowboy Up"?!?!

Gotta get me one of those...

#42. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 5, 2007 2:00 PM

FIRST (not first as in "FIRST!" but as in "first of all") I think the gas used to knock Kate, et. al. out was nitrous oxide. Anyone who's ever done a "whippit" before will recognize the telltale way Kate's eyes bugged out of her head just before losing conciousness. Oh, yeah. Good times. ;)

I don't think Juliette's been marked for death by Smokey like Eko. Remember when he and Locke were discussing their differing visions of the "eye of the island" Locke says he saw a huge bright light which was beautiful, but Eko said that was not was he saw. Apparently, seeing a big, bright light like the one shone on Juliette is a good thing. Perhaps when it scanned her, it decided she was one of the good ones and therefore won't kill her....yet. Kate, however, should definitely watch her back.
That made me think that perhaps Smokey is one way they "recruit" people. First (there's that word again!) it scans them. Eko wasn't afraid of it (remember when Mikhail said they weren't on the list because they were afraid, etc.) so he passed stage #1. Then, when it came back as Yemi and demanded he atone for his past sins, Eko refused, ergo Game Over. I could be way out there on this, but it made sense to me at the time.
And mac noted the lack of greeting between Sayid and Jack, but there was a brief one there. It was like a "Glad you're OK, man, we'll get caught up later."
Something tells me Ben knows all about Smokey, but he's one of the priveleged few. It's one way he keeps them scared so they don't leave.

#43. Posted by: Trinity at April 5, 2007 2:00 PM

Mac, great comparison of Kate to Hurley. Kate's a beauty, but her character has been LOST for some time. She's just been an extra for most of the trips and advantures.

Hurley has become the glue for the non-important/revolving cast that we see at different times on the beach.


Juliet points:

Definitly a setup. Her having the key should have cleared up the ruse, but we're talking Kate here. Did it seem like Juliet was getting alot of information from Kate? Asking about Smokey when she already knew, asking about what she knew of Jack, watching to see if Kate could track her way back to Bennsylvania?

I think the Others are finished with Jack, surgery complete, and plotted the exodus, great word, to "cleanse the camp". I'm betting they will be back.
Leaving Juliet behind to "guide" the Losties to rescue Jack and Sayid. And get them out of the camp.

And if they really don't control or know what Smokey is, what does? Or do they? Did Smokey not chase over the fence to allow Juliet to go with Kate to learn more? Another Juliet ruse to gain Kate's trust?

And next week, does Juliet become the new "Others" spy at the beach? Check her bag. I sure as heck don't trust her, and neither does Sayid. But I love her character.

Great post!

#44. Posted by: David at April 5, 2007 2:21 PM

Loved this paragraph Mac:

"What's Locke up to? Is he joining the Others, or, will he use their resources to construct an eight-story building that will eventually be used as a launching pad/retribution center for his father?"

You're a comic genious!

Some of these 2 degrees of separation things have been revealed (Sawyer telling Jack about meeting Dr. Daddy in the bar), some are important and will come out later in the story (Claire being Jack's 1/2 sibling), and some aren't important and are just fun to put into the story (Kate hanging out with Cassidy who was Sawyer's con target/baby mama, Ana-Lucia hanging out with Dr. Daddy).

Jin will find out Sawyer/Charlie planned and performed Sun's abduction attempt, and he will beat the crap out of them both. It's coming.

I know it's been said that a Rose/Bernard-centric ep is coming soon (so they ARE still on the island) but it was strange to not see them at all during Sawyer's boar roast party.

Now that Jack is coming back to the beach, Sawyer will have no trouble reverting back to his conning/rotten/nicknaming ways.

#45. Posted by: JoePike at April 5, 2007 2:28 PM

Staying with the good/bad topic, most of the characters past lives can place them in either the good/bad category (with a few ambiguous exceptions):

BAD:
Kate
Sawyer
Sayid
Jin
Nikki
Paulo
Eko
Ana Lucia

GOOD:
Hurley
Claire
Locke
Libby
Boone
Walt

AMBIGUOUS:
Jack
Sun
Shannon
Desmond
Michael
Charlie

I put Charlie and Sun under ambiguous because I'm not sure if their transgressions off the island are worthy of bad status (drug use & infidelity respectively). Shannon and Desmond I'm not sure about either. Is being a bitch enough to put you on the bad list? And Jack is point of confusion because it seems to me that his treatment of his father helped propel him over the edge to his drunken, Australian death. But then again Jack and Claire's daddy brought most of that on himself.

#46. Posted by: Alex at April 5, 2007 2:29 PM

I had an issue with the time Jack woke up vs Kate/Julliete, but as someone else mentioned they may have used two cans for Jack??

I also had a HUGE issue with the way jack/ Sayid greeted eachother as they saw eachohter for the first time in forever, it was like hey..no hug or really any kind of real exchange. What was that all about?

Why did the others not tortue Sayid like he did to Ben? Not that I wanted them to but was wondering if they just do not belive in an eye for an eye?

And for God's sake someone please tell me where Rose and Bernard are? Are they ever coming back? What is goning on with them?????

#47. Posted by: Iheartdez at April 5, 2007 2:31 PM

Someone mentioned above (again) about the three groups on the island. We know of the Losties (and Tailies) of 815. We know of Dharma. We know of "The Others." Rousseus was first to use this term to the Losties/Tailies, as she was the first (known) non-member of flight 815 (Ethan wasn't revealed until later to be an Other). We now know of "The Hostiles." This term was first used by Kelvin, who was a self-proclaimed member of the Dharma Initiative, to Desmond. It was also used by Candle/Wick in the communication computer at The Flame. If we take out the 815 survivors for the moment, we are left with Dharma, The Others & The Hostiles. I think it is apparent that the Others (Rousseau's word) and the Hostiles (Dharma's word) are the same group of people. There are no savages on the island -- only people pretending to be savages. The same ratty-dressed group of individuals we saw walking silently through the woods are the ones who kidnapped the tailies. We know for sure now that this was the Others, as those pepople were with Cindy at Jack's cage, especially the child Emma and her brother. Why Dharma would refer to them as "Hostiles" has yet to be revealed, but I think, because of what ben said, that it is because the Others have been there for some time, LONG before Dharma arrived. Either that, or they were originally Dharma members who left Dharma to form their own society, and then eventually overthrew Dharma to take back control of the island. Clearly the Dharma initiative IS still up and running, otherwise there would be no food drops. So either the heads of Dharma aren't aware they have lost control, or the Others are Dharma, and there is a group of "Hostiles" we have yet to be shown...

#48. Posted by: Stocky at April 5, 2007 2:33 PM

One more thing...Desmond is by far the sexiest guy on island, I really wish he's have a larger role then just a weirdo who sees the future and gives weird looks to people all day!!! C'mon Des you can do it :)

#49. Posted by: Iheartdez at April 5, 2007 2:35 PM

It is getting annoying about major inconsistencies happening in the same scene.
if those left behind were all gassed, why did Kate and Juliet get moved outside the perimeter fence, while Sayid and Jack were left unconscious at the compound?
when Juliet gets to the fence post, the box is on the outside of the active sonic fence. She disarms it, tells Kate to cross the plane of the fence line, then rearms the fence and crosses over. . . should not have Juliet been whacked like Patchy after she reactivated the fence?
If Smokey can recreate matter, human beings, and horses at a molecular level, surely Smokey can get thorough sonic sound waves.
Why was Jack the only one left behind who was beat up before he was gassed (remember his room was tossed)? Jack and Sayid should have woken up BEFORE Juliet and Kate arrived.
When the group was leaving the compound, Jack states that they should look around for any supplies/equipment before leaving for the beach, but what do they do?--- they immediately start marching to the jungle.
At the beach pork roast, I counted only about a dozen "survivors" at the party. Should not all the remaining surviviors been around that boar, partaking in this feast? Or were Nikki-Paulo in charge of the invitations?
If you are trying to figure out the big picture Lost storyline, then the show may have hit the RESET button because you are repeating the Ben-Juliet-Others camp dynamic (two groups, leadership issues, a "purge" amongst the Others) with Jack-Juliet-Beachcombers new camp dynamic.
While finishing the post, I had a random thought about would have beat up Jack when the Others vanished quickly. Sayid had said he searched and found no trace of them - - which infers he was awake longer than Jack; what if Sayid interrogated Jack?

#50. Posted by: welh at April 5, 2007 2:37 PM

Just a few followup points after reading all the great posts.

1) Why do you think there is anything remotely close to a central theme here? Is it just me or does it seem like these guys make this up as they go ?

2) Everything we see, EVERYTHING, has a purpose. From the backgammon game to the reappearence of Ol Smokey, to the "backpack only" travel gear. If Juliet was as afraid of Ol Smokey as her shivering body was revealing, then why did she LOOK IT IN THE FACE? Her hand was up as if she was going to cover her eyes, but she didn't. Did she look so she could be scanned by the flashes so it would not hurt her and leave her be? The Others have proven to know everything, again EVERYTHING, about the Losties. Do you think they know they climbed the fence? Do you wonder why Juliet did not budge when Ol Smokey hit the fence? Cause it's their pet. (haha, just a guess) But I agree, Kate is an idiot unless they let this (the fact that Ol Smokey could have climbed the fence if it wanted to) "comeback to her" while on the beach and she goes after Juliet once more. How about in the ocean this time instead of the rain and mud.

3) You cannot believe a word any Other says. Period. Really big Period! Why were they wearing masks to begin with? The ones we saw don mask took off. But the only people to get gassed were Kate, Sayid, and Jack, and maybe Juliet. Weren't they all in closed-in spaces? Why the gas masks?

4) And why was Jack out so much longer than Sayid? Sayid looked liked he's just returned from a spa treatment.

I think the writers read some of this stuff and purposely throw us off, which is fun. But the deeper we try to get into this show, the more they change it.

If Ol Smokey takes shape, like Eko's brother, then if it really wanted thru the fence, it would have taken the shape of Ben or Jack, and followed them in. Ol Smokey not getting thru the fence should have been the most obvious "tell" of the show, but we're talking Kate here.

Never the less, what happened between Locke and his pappa will be brought out. They would not let that go wtihout some visual closure. If there is closure. The man got push thru a window for goodness sakes.

Overall, a good episode.

#51. Posted by: David at April 5, 2007 2:48 PM

Normally, I'm one of the non-posting multitudes, but this week, you've got me rolling:

"Or, do they simply need an outsider bad-boy to show them that dancing isn't a sin?"

It's right on point. Just the right amounts of ridiculous and subtle that makes your reviews the best. Thanks for the reviews MAC.

#52. Posted by: trexl at April 5, 2007 2:56 PM

@rich - Good one! Didn't realize I still had it in me to create such a ruckus! (sp?)

Juliet said something like, "Kate, you have to come through here." Possibly that explains the fence problem.

Which episode is supposed to be Rose and Bernard centric? Is that a rumor or confirmed?

I would definitely be moving into Losteria Lane - sleeping on the ground can't be good! Also, taking a shower would be the first thing on my list after some Dharma grub.

I am starting to believe that Locke did pretend to destroy the sub, and that he is the leader of the Others somehow.

#53. Posted by: meg at April 5, 2007 2:58 PM

@trexl: Happy to oblige. It's a good day when I can work in a "Footloose" reference ;) -- mac

#54. Posted by: mac at April 5, 2007 3:00 PM

@ rich "Why is it that the 'first' people take a mere 'second' to annoy a 'third' party after an April 'fourth' show? So we can metaphorically hi 'five' each other!"

And thus Rich proves to the group that his posts do count. :~p

#55. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 3:01 PM

Re: "I'm confused by this handcuffing thing. Juliet claims that she was gassed by the Others, but if this is true, how did she get to the pool hall and shackle herself to Kate? How did she drag Kate into the woods before passing out? Is that right? Am I missing something here?"

I had the impression that it was only the handcuff key that Juliet was holding back on. She had a key because handcuffs appear to be regular jewelry around Otherland.

#56. Posted by: August Paul at April 5, 2007 3:01 PM

@welh

Juliet told Kate she could go through the fence, because it was off. kate refused, so Juliet unhooked her, crossed the fence, hit the code and turned the switch from red to green.

Kate gets moved outside to bond with Juliet, so she has 2 "ins" tot he beach camp (Jack and Kate). Sayid is too smart to fall for that crap.

There wasn't exactly a group photo at the boar roast. People could have grabbed food and left...it wasn't exactly the Last Supper (i.e. everyone sits at the same table)

#57. Posted by: timb at April 5, 2007 3:07 PM

Some random thoughts...

As far as the lack of greeting between Jack and Sayid...I think it might be one of two things - I do think that Jack is playing the Others as much as they are trying to play him (and I don't trust Juliet for one cotton pickin second because we saw she is in cahoots with Ben from the very first second when they spied on Shepard in the Pearl station....remember they said they would exploit his weakness to get to him...what is his weakness? Being viciously loyal? Lovin the ladies? Both of them have been pretty exploited, especially when you add the Queen of Mean herself, Juliet, into the mix....sorry, I digress...), so maybe he had to play it off as though he was not as excited as we expect him to because he is trying to keep his "Others game face" on in front of Juliet....OR....he and Sayid are in cahoots and have been since Sayid's arrival on Losteria Lane...there is some time unaccounted for as far as viewers go - like the time between Jack seeing the sub "explode" to when Juliet brings Kate lunch....during this time, if I am not mistaken, the viewer is lead to believe that Sayid is handcuffed to the swingset...what if he and Jack managed to scheme and we just don't know it yet?

And now to something completely different (cue giant squashing foot...)

Is it me, or does Sun seem significantly more mad at Sawyer than Charlie for the whole kidnapping thing? I mean, granted, it was Sawyer's idea, but it was Charlie who actually snatched her, right? So why is she seemingly more willing to forgive Charlie but not Sawyer? Maybe it's because the baby is Sawyer's??? She did shoot him the most evil death ray when she caught a glimpse of him holding Aaron....and she has cheated on Jin before, so it's not completely incomprehensible to even think it. Now, I know that's way out there, but figured I would toss it in the mix...

#58. Posted by: Vikki at April 5, 2007 3:10 PM

O.K. This episode defintely got everyone's juices flowing again as evidenced by all the super long comments. I believe that the writers are putting in a lot more meat in the pot than they ever plan to use, (i.e smoke monster/fence, Jack/Sayid/Juliet and the supposed smoke canisters; we only saw Kate get gassed) MAC, I'm sorry and to whomever said they did not like this theory. CLONES;) ((( Jack, Sayid, Juliet ))) Let's see how they interact with the other beach losties when they get back.

#59. Posted by: BigNameJames at April 5, 2007 3:17 PM

I swear, sometimes I feel like a hamster running in a damn cage when it comes to this show...just running around in circles and circles and circles and getting NOWHERE, but loving EVERY minute of it!....After re-reading my last post above, even I can shoot some holes in my own freakin theories....duh! They BRANDED Juliet for Pete's sake, I guess implying that she is indeed an outcast with them, so it might not be so unbelievable that they left her behind, I realize that now. BUUUUUT I do still think that she is an Other at heart, and there is no reason to trust her at all....or to sensuously rub aloe on her back, JACK! IMHO, it should be:

Jack -n- Kate 4 eva! TLF!

BTW, has anyone ever read the Shirley Jackson short story "The Lottery"??? The Others society really reminds me of that story...from the dot on the paper (like branding Juliet) to the public stoning of the outcast (like leaving Juliet behind) to the norms of the society in both (incredibly hard for anyone besides the members to understand), the two seem very similar to me...

#60. Posted by: Vikki at April 5, 2007 3:19 PM

Well, I wouldn’t trust Juliet with anything she says, however, ‘a spy’? – why would they plant her with the Losties, when they already know everything about them! If it is to monitor their moves – then they need the ability to communicate that.

Maybe, someone could bring the universal translator online, then we may understand what smokey is saying. How come no one has told us about seeing images or faces in the cloud this time? Did you look?

#61. Posted by: JT at April 5, 2007 3:32 PM

@ Vikki: Yes I read that story (and watched the made-for-TV movie, too). It was some f**ked up sh*t! But it really makes you question why you do things (because it's the right thing to do or it's just the way it's always been done). Perhaps it's parallel to the Upper Management of Other society.

#62. Posted by: Trinity at April 5, 2007 3:38 PM

Juliet's a spy. Early, she said "they" when she referred to the Others. Kate called her on it and she explained she was out.

When she turns the fence on, she says "WE don't know what it is, but it does not like OUR fence."

She is an Other

#63. Posted by: timb at April 5, 2007 3:38 PM

The only thing that could translate what Smokey may be saying is....C3PO. After all, he is fluent in over six million forms of communication!

#64. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 3:38 PM

This was easily in the top 10 best episodes of Lost ever.
Anyone watching 24 ? It is getting weak while Lost is getting stronger !!! Have not read Mac's review yet or the posts. Just had to get my 2 cents in before you all everybody bury me.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#65. Posted by: thinng at April 5, 2007 3:54 PM

@Mac: Awesome review as always! Loved the "Footloose" reference.

Re Jack, Sayid: When Kate & Juliet returned to Losteria Lane, Juliet said Sayid was "behind" one of the buildings. That led me to believe that he was still cuffed to the swingset, & was therefore not gassed, or if he was, the effects of the gas wore off pretty fast in the open air. Perhaps the Others only needed him to be unconscious for the few minutes necessary for them to disappear into thin air. Jack's pad was trashed as though there had been a fight—I wish Kate had asked about that, as she certainly noticed it when she went in, but Jack still seemed to be pretty out of it. Perhaps he had been both gassed & whacked on the head. As far as the lack of greeting between Jack & Sayid, I don't see either of them being terribly sentimental about the other, & as soon as Jack said that Juliet was coming along, Sayid's "something's wrong" radar went into high gear. I would think that Sayid was already wondering about Jack based on what the rescue party saw of Jack's behavior w/Ben, Juliet, et al. while hiding in the woods.

#66. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 5, 2007 3:56 PM

I got ahold of C3PO and sent him the audio of Smokey from 'Left Behind'. Here's his translation:

Smokey: AAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOO, click-click-click, swoooosh, AAAAAOOOOO = "I really appreciate you two ladies getting all mudded-up for a change. All I've seen lately is dudes! My parrott downloaded the dude-thing from the fat one at the beach."

#67. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 3:56 PM

@Red...Neck...Man

LOL

#68. Posted by: JT at April 5, 2007 4:00 PM

I WATCHED AGIAN IN SLOW MOTION AND COULD NOT SEE ANNY GIRLS GONE WILD CAMERAS-----WHAT WAS THE TIME POINT ON THE SEEN THEY WHERE IN?

#69. Posted by: BOBBY at April 5, 2007 4:10 PM

My first impression was that kate was actually smokey, using juliet to get thru the fence(I also want to know why he can't go over it). But why would smokey have kate flashbackes? And we know smokey can appear as people/animals, is he solid to the touch?
In any case, how - who - why did kate and juliet end up in the jungle.

#70. Posted by: mtncbn at April 5, 2007 4:12 PM

@ BOBBY - watch the all caps please...check the rules at the bottom of the page.

#71. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 4:17 PM

Which episode is supposed to be Rose and Bernard centric? Is that a rumor or confirmed?

Guess I should've marked that with

"*****SPOILER******"

...but it was confirmed to be coming soon this season in the weekly podcast by the Lost producers.

Upon further reflection...I think Juliet's ousting from the Others is legit. She was planning on going home with Jack. She wanted out. When that couldn't happen anymore Ben considered her disloyal, so wanted her banished...wanted to punish her for wanting to leave. So I don't think she's in cahoots with Ben anymore, I think she really is stuck with the Losties.

Whether she was gassed or not, and whether she drug Kate to the forest herself or not, it's not so far fetched to think that she handcuffed herself to Kate to "not be left behind again." She realizes now that the Losties are her only potential source of human contact and food source etc.

Juliet hasn't been loyal for a while...remember the INXS poster-board video she showed Jack about killing Ben on the operating table? She has only been on the island 3 years, and it looks like she never thought she'd be there forever, so it's easy for me to think she was truly ditched by Ben and is not undercover for the Others right now.

Plus, she's got a thing for Jack so wants to stay near him!

#72. Posted by: JoePike at April 5, 2007 4:19 PM

Juliet's motives are still cloudy. She asks Jack to kill Ben but then negotiates her own escape. She kills Danny (in "Not in Portland") to let Kate and Sawyer escape but then handcuffs herself to Kate (which is my assumption; she had a key after all) to "bond" with her. She can't be trusted and Jack or Sawyer or Kate should have killed her the first time he laid eyes on her.

My question is, why is she still so loyal to Ben and the gang? If she really wants to get out after three years Juliet should team up with the 815ers. It's her best chance to survive.

#73. Posted by: Alex at April 5, 2007 4:21 PM

re: Smokey

I'm not sure but it seems to me that whenever Smokey has had to do something up high, it swells and grows taller. i.e. when it killed Eko it made itself bigger and slammed him around. I don't know if it actually leaves the ground or close proximity with the island when its done those things. So I think for whatever reason, Smokey may not be able to separate itself enough from the island because its a part of the island. It doesn't jump up to reach up high, it grows taller.
Also its possible that the fences irritate it so much that it panics and runs rather than rationalizing that it can go over. That's all I can think of that could explain Smokey not going over the fence.

#74. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 5, 2007 4:22 PM

GRAA, mac
Okay, good episode, enjoyed most parts of it. One thing that I caught was what appears to be a continuity error. Juliette opens up a can on Kate, and Kate is down for the count trying to relearn how to breathe, cut to beach scene. Locke says goodbye to Kate, cut to beach scene. Kate sees flys on her sandwhich, struggles to get up, and starts to eat. I think those last two scenes should be switched. Locke saying goodbye has no bearing on the sandwhich scene.
I also do not think Juliette carried Kate to the jungle. I figured that other Others helped plant Kate and Juliette out there, then cuffed them together. Juliette 'woke up' too quick, I do not even think she was gassed, IMHO.
Another blog, yes I am hooked enough to read more than one, had a post about two separate monsters. We do not see smokey in the first encounter, just see from its point of view when it takes pics of Juliette. That could be monster #1. Smokie could be monster #2. It is certainly an interesting idea.
Lastly, do we have any indication how long Pauikki have been buried? Sawyer making ammends, hunting boar and cooking it takes time, and all this happened after the burial. Can we dare say that Pauikki are true red shirts and have died? I certtainly hope so, but the island has done much stranger things.
Vote early, and vote often...for mac's site.

#75. Posted by: onelostdude at April 5, 2007 4:26 PM

re: smokey and the fence...

The only reason that I saw that might justify Smokey not going over the fence is the fact that it was after Juliet and she stayed pretty close to the fence (ie didn't run like Kate did) thus keeping the fence between her and Smokey. It seemed to be taking the most direct path toward Juliet but it did attempt to go left and right but not up or down. Kinda reaching here, but anyway...

So is Smokey more animalistic in nature than intelligent? Eventually, after several attempts, even an animal would find a way around the fence. Brings to mind the bear cage and the treat that Sawyer figured out (more slowly than the bears I might add.) Hmmmm...

Is it possible that Dharma was experimenting with Artificial Inteligence and Smokey got out of hand? Talk about a walking pig!

#76. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 4:33 PM

@Trinity "And mac noted the lack of greeting between Sayid and Jack, but there was a brief one there. It was like a "Glad you're OK, man, we'll get caught up later.""

Yes, those of the chuckling gender do not need long winded greetings. They say it all in a single glance.

Those that giggle, however, tend to weave perpetual tapestries of exquisite colloquy sprinkled with such linguistic ambience as to give the very birds of the field, God's great emissary of song, reason to pause and reflect on such beauty of articulation and promulgation.

(I apologize for the above sentence - my thesaurus fell over and spilled all over my post.)

#77. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 4:35 PM

First-rate review Mack, as usual, a point of clarification, I don't think Juliet handcuffed herself to Kate, I think she was gassed and handcuffed and Ben made sure the key to the cuffs was put on her. After she woke up she tried to play dumb with Kate in order to earn her trust, but when death was staring both of them in the face, she knew their only chance was to drop the subterfuge, which of course will make Kate even less likely to trust her, but I don't think Juliet is a mole. The whole surgery showdown with Jack and the private pow-wow with Ben showed that, plus the fact that Tom didn't seem surprised when Jack told him that Juliet wanted Ben dead, add to that Ben wanted an out to prevent Jack and Juliet from leaving on the sub, which was furnished by Locke's C4. If you combine all of these things plus the branding it shows that Juliet has been exiled by the Others. Juliet's problem is that for three-plus years she has been playing in Ben's sandbox of duplicity and deception, but that won't work with 815'ers who are naturally suspicious of her motives because she's an Other. But if she can learn to trust people again and the survivors start to trust her, they will finally be able to start unraveling some of the island's mysteries

#78. Posted by: unladenswallow at April 5, 2007 4:42 PM

@ bcre8ve - I agree w/ your animalistic comment...but I would think that Smokey has been there for quite a while and has encountered the SDF before. Which would afford it the opportunity to 'learn' how to go over it. I would assume that the SDF had to be erected after Smokey 'got out-of-hand'. And also, why wouldn't Smokey have been able to realize that the SDF was not on all of the time. I would think that by accident it would pass by and be able to go through it.

#79. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 4:42 PM

hmmmm . . . Did I just get dissed?!?


#80. Posted by: davidrh at April 5, 2007 4:43 PM

A thought about the fence--maybe it shorted out, or was inactivated in some way when Mikhail ran into it. The Losties went over it, but maybe they didn't have to--was there evidence that the fence was still on when they went over? This could explain why the smoke monster couldn't get past.

Thanks for another great review mac!

#81. Posted by: ct at April 5, 2007 4:47 PM

Was Sayid even gassed? Do we know that? How did he get free? Why did he stick around? Did he know Kate and Jules were coming back? Why didn't he wake Jack? He knew where he was and just left him there? Did he make sure Jack stayed asleep longer for some reason? I'm not sure what was going on with Sayid during this episode.

#82. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 5, 2007 4:48 PM

Ok, check this scenerio...

The Others don their gas masks knowing that the are getting ready to gas some fresh Lostie meat. They gas Kate first (shout out to meg) knowing that they will have to take her to the jungle. They take Kate to the jungle and handcuff her to Juliet either complicitly or against her will.

They come back and gas Sayid and then Jack, giving Jack a double dose as he fights back (thus his being in the hallway as opposed to being at the piano composing "Heart and Soul" wannabee songs.) Due to the fact that he is outside and the gas disburses faster (as mentioned above) Sayid wakes before Jack and explores the area.

Plausable, I guess, but it seems that the Others would simply split up and gas them all at the same time so they don't see anything, take Kate/Juliet to the jungle and meet up elsewhere.

Anyway, it's my best gas - er, guess.

#83. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 4:53 PM

excellent posting mac, your posts are sorta like a cigarette after a good night (of watching lost) ...

getting to the smokey conspiracy, perhaps the reason the smoke monster cannot go over the fence is because it cannot leave the ground.

If we remember back to season 1, was it not the smoke monster who attempted to bring Locke into the bottom of a pit via dragging him across the ground till jack saved him?

At least it would tie in why the fence is useful against negating the monster, it also casts doubt on some theories i read about scanning locke and 'accepting' him but not "call me meeester eko". the monster just might be in the underground, which also could explain where the others went (i.e. the map sawyer found)

thanks to whomever posted about 1623 being what turns the fence on, does that mean 4815 turns it off? perhaps if kate took two seconds to think she'd have noticed.

last lost thought: the magic box - does this help explain random memories appearing on the island. Jack's father, hurley's crazy friend, kate's horse, and now Locke's dad. Seems that what's on their minds is what appears. Though with eko it was the smoke monster, so they could be one in the same.


ok sorry if this is long but it's my first post ever and i've been reading mac's stuff for 8 weeks now

#84. Posted by: Matt from Philly at April 5, 2007 4:54 PM

I didn't read thru every single comment above, but in the first scene when the Others are donning gasmasks, I believe you can see Juliet putting on a mask. She has same color hair and same blue tee-shirt on as she has in the rest of the epy. Sooo, she IS conning Kate, et. al. to believe she was 'left behind'.

#85. Posted by: Gail at April 5, 2007 5:06 PM

As a side note... I would like to say that I have noticed a whole herd of new posters this epi and am happy to see it. Welcome!

Words out - mac's the best!

#86. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 5:06 PM

Another comment on the sonic fence.
I do not think the fence was active when the two girls gone wild came up to it. Jules was going to activate it, and Kate was on the wrong side. Kate crosses over, Jules arms the fence and smokie gets angry. Just another one of my crazy theories.

#87. Posted by: onelostdude at April 5, 2007 5:08 PM

APologies if this has been said, but WHY didn't Smokey go OVER the fence?
Also, in response to Mac's question about how Juliet got Kate to the woods, handcuffed herself to Kate and then passed out, maybe she wasn't gassed at all, but pretending. After all, she "woke up" pretty quick when Kate got the knife out. She was just waiting for the perfect moment.

#88. Posted by: Christina at April 5, 2007 5:09 PM

@davidrh "hmmmm . . . Did I just get dissed?!?"

No diss intended. Just a simple observations of the different communication styles of the sexes (chucklers/gigglers). You made it clear in your followup post that you are a chuckler.

#89. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 5:11 PM

@becre8ve - Great gas theory. Maybe this is all a test for Juliet. I know she went against the group before, yet the mind game continues. As Ben said earlier, he finds someone's weakness and exploits it. She was cuffed to Kate because Jack loves Kate and she loves Jack.

Also, I noticed the parallels with the side story - Kate befriending a con artist who helps er. I was trying to form a connection there.

Where is Jon is FOUND? I'm still waiting to see how old he is...:)

#90. Posted by: meg at April 5, 2007 5:27 PM

Just a small point:

"Kate decides that a return to Bennsylvania is the best idea... it's the only spot on the island with running water ..."

As I believe Paulo demonstrated, the Pearl has a fully functioning plumbing system.

Did he live, flush, and die in vain!?!?

#91. Posted by: Danny at April 5, 2007 5:31 PM

oops - bcre8ve! That's why I hardly ever speak directly to anyone - my spelling suxs! :)

#92. Posted by: meg at April 5, 2007 5:34 PM

@ meg I "Also, I noticed the parallels with the side story - Kate befriending a con artist who helps er. I was trying to form a connection there."

Good call. Kate's flashback is, as you said, "Kate befriending a con artist who helps her." That's what she is forced into in the jungle. Juliet, con artist, and Kate work together (though reluctantly) toward a common goal (mom/Jack) both of whom she (Kate) has disappointed. Will she meet the same end in her raltionship with Jack that she did with her mother?

Interesting... I don't know what else that could be read into it.

#93. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 5:36 PM

Maybe she is in fact having Sawyer's baby (Kate), just like the con artist she befriended.

#94. Posted by: meg at April 5, 2007 5:44 PM

@ rich "Why is it that the 'first' people take a mere 'second' to annoy a 'third' party after an April 'fourth' show? So we can metaphorically hi 'five' each other!"

And thus Rich proves to the group that his posts do count. :~p

→ Posted by: bcre8ve at April 5, 2007 03:01 PM

Or perhaps tomorrow we can "deep six" the whole idea :>)

#95. Posted by: ButchM at April 5, 2007 5:48 PM

Can someone please run me thru the process of how to vote for mac's site?

I was on the site but didn't understand how to vote .... probably old age catching up with me. But I gotta vote for the man, so help me out, y'all.
Thanks


Side note - perhaps they should call Juliet “Lilac” - she can lilac crazy.

#96. Posted by: ButchM at April 5, 2007 6:08 PM

@ButchM . .

Side note - perhaps they should call Juliet “Lilac” - she can lilac crazy.

groan.


#97. Posted by: davidrh at April 5, 2007 6:22 PM

I am thinking Ben is using Juliett as a Trogen Horse to inflitrate the Lostie camp. Ben has manipulated people in the past beautifully (deliberately sending Juliette to take care of Jack, bringing Kate and Sawyer along with Jack to force his hand, death threats to Sawyer to force Kate to mate with Sawyer). Juliette grabbing Kate's hand just in time and her having the key of the handcuff in her pocket, etc proves that she was not gassed at all. Others might have left much after Kate was gased and gased Jack & Sawyer just before leaving which explains why they were sleeping when Kate went back.

I agree that the smokie is such a wonderful creature and can tower up to sky while killing Mr.Eko it can surely cross the 12 feet height of the fence. I also don't believe what Juliette told about the smokie - they don't know what it is.

#98. Posted by: aj at April 5, 2007 7:46 PM

I think the Others left the fence off when they left Losteria. No reason to leave it on since they were gone and it provided an easy way for Juliet to get back in.
As for their disappearing without a trace, there definitely are tunnels and that was most certainly their means of leaving.
Don't know why they didn't check the place out more before they left. Given time I'm sure Sayid could find the tunnel.

#99. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 5, 2007 8:14 PM

It sounds like meg gonna lose it if someone doesn't FIND Jon soon!

#100. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 5, 2007 8:17 PM

Did anyone hear Juliet tell Kate the fence was off? How would Juliet know that if she was gassed and dragged out to the jungle?

Also, Juliet's ex was hit by a bus after making a comment about it. Did someone make that wish into the "magic box" on her behalf or does Juliet have some sort of Walt-like wishing powers??

Last question for me....If Sayid checked the compound, why didn't he find Jack? Did Sayid tear apart Jack's room but not even bother to wake him?

#101. Posted by: lostaddict at April 5, 2007 8:32 PM

-Locke's hand is bandaged because he is the one who KO'd Jack. I figured Locke as a Yankee fan the whole time. Love that Southern drawl them Iowan's have.

#102. Posted by: lostsox at April 5, 2007 8:40 PM

@ButchM-Can someone please run me thru the process of how to vote for mac's site?

I was on the site but didn't understand how to vote .... probably old age catching up with me. But I gotta vote for the man, so help me out, y'all.

I needed to register before it accepted my vote. After registering(@ right),go back and click the large number with the word vote below it. You can also post a comment about Mac's Lost Blog at the bottom. You always have something nice to say.

#103. Posted by: green at April 5, 2007 8:51 PM

I'm glad I've never used 'Trogen' condoms.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

#104. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 8:51 PM

When will we know the winner (mac) of the Hugo Cup?

#105. Posted by: green at April 5, 2007 8:58 PM

Did not read all the posts, so apologies if anyone already brought this up.

Locke did not drink the Others Kool-aid, the Others drink the Locke Kool-aid. Led by Ben, Ben sees Locke as having some sort of communion with the island. Locke is the prophet, the messiah to lead the Others to the promised land, whatever that is. Locke's the man and the Others know it. They abandonded Dharmaville for the woods because Locke says they are living all wrong out of touch with the island.

Later on, great review as always. I wish you had more time to write your reviews this season, I miss your style of writing from previous reviews.

#106. Posted by: jion at April 5, 2007 8:59 PM

Very first thing I noticed about this episode -- Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro have been removed from the opening credits. Guess what -- they're dead for good...

#107. Posted by: Stocky at April 5, 2007 9:11 PM

@ Crispy Seaplanes: 100% they left the fence off so Jules could get back in.

@ lostaddict: kudos for noticing Juliette saying that the fence was off and they'll be aiiiiight. TRUE!

@ jion: I love Kool-aid..well said about the Others view of Locke. BRILLIANT!

@ ButchM: After all that I could use a 7-up. ; LOL at lilac crazy!

@ mac: I'm your 'Question of the Week' replacement for lost_me. e-mail me son!

#108. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 5, 2007 9:18 PM

@ Mac - "Back in the Others' camp, Jack and Sayid munch on Doritos and watch the fight via closed-circuit cameras. "I hope they make out!" Sayid squeals." Now that was some ROFL sh..stuff. AND my Hugo Cup vote went to you! Just a couple of things:

@ Matt DC -
More Kate Observations: Kate, during the real-time story this week, was being held captive in the game room. Those Others (especially Ben) love games!

---Locke's into games as well. (I posted this observation on some other blog page last week. Sorry Mac). Remember in "Walkabout" he played military games with his office friend? They even had code names! He worked in a toy store - demonstrating to a kid how to play mouse trap. In one scene while talking to phone-bone Helen, there’s military type stuff hanging on the walls. (I also think Helen was in on the con with Locke’s dad, Anthony Cooper.)

---Although Jack is the leader of the Losties camp and Sawyer the interim, I think Hurley is definitely the Mayor!

---I’m going to hold out until the season finale praying that Locke will be a force to reckon with. I just hope he’s not with the Others when all hell breaks loose.

#109. Posted by: amelia at April 5, 2007 9:24 PM

The reason the fence kept Smokey out -- is that the fence was primarily DESIGNED to keep Smokey out! All other effects are secondary. The reason the codes could be punched to get through was that the fence was DESIGNED to facilitate that -- with time delays or whatever.

#110. Posted by: kethd at April 5, 2007 9:30 PM

Before turning on the fence, Juliet says to Kate something to the effect of "you're going to want to be on this side." This is AFTER she has removed the handcuffs and Kate has the chance to run wherever she wants. In that moment, she TRUSTS that Juliet is not lying to her, and that trust is well placed. I think that they were both gassed, however Juliet woke up before Kate. Waking up with no idea where she was, she realized her only hope was Kate. So she handcuffs herself to Kate (knowing she has the key all along) to make sure that she does not get left behind by Kate. Thus Kate is forced to take Juliet with her no matter what until Juliet decides that she either doesn't need Kate anymore, or needs to prove to Kate that she can trust her.

As for Sayid, I believe it doesn't matter if he was gassed or not -- he was chained outside and Juliet freed him when she and Kate first got back to Otherville. Once Juliet freed him, that's when he checked out the camp and found no one else (with or without Juliet I'm not sure -- I doubt they would do it together based on his "she's not coming with us" comment). Then both he and Juliet met back up with Kate and Jack, and the foursome proceeded down the yellow brick road back to Oz, or, uh, the Losties camp...

#111. Posted by: Stocky at April 5, 2007 9:32 PM

Hi guys,

Full details on the Hugo Cup are available here:

http://tinyurl.com/2ufx9s

It's sort of an odd set-up. The voting process that's currently going on doesn't have a direct effect on the actual finalists (although I'm sure a site with a lot of votes will probably have a subconscious effect on the panelists). An esteemed panel of "Lost" community people will then select the finalists and a *second* vote will take place after April 22.

The winner will be announced on April 30.

Hope that helps! -- mac

#112. Posted by: mac at April 5, 2007 10:23 PM

@jion: Sorry, those days are long gone. What you see now is all I've got to offer. -- mac

#113. Posted by: mac at April 5, 2007 10:30 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but did anyone else think Smokey was taking pictures of Juliet? The way the light flashed.....
Just a thought.

#114. Posted by: Joss at April 5, 2007 11:07 PM

Time Time Time.........The Others must be able to manipulate time. The last few episodes have all had weird variations of time in them. I have said it before starting with TMFT when the clock in Bens house was change with every scene to, the weird timing of when Paulo found the ? verse when Locke did, and then this episode when Kate and Jules wake up hours before the boys.

The Others can control Time and Smokie!

Vote for MAC it does take a Minute but all worth it for the best reviewer ever.

Thanks Mac as usual

#115. Posted by: Dakota at April 5, 2007 11:11 PM

@Stocky

Great insights on the three groups on the island! This is exactly what I have been thinking, but didn't know how to say. Actually, I'm kind of thinking the "others" are the "hostiles". But you gave me a lot to think about.
Thanks!

#116. Posted by: JackieL at April 5, 2007 11:22 PM

Greetings Mac...I´m a long reader of your blog..and finally I have a theory (a weird one) to tell...
what if...Locke ..isn´t locke...what if the good one locke, the conned locke...the good intended Jhon is HIM,how? think about it..maybe a some losterian magic box interchanging bodies with the boss and Jhon...when,why and other things...remains as a mistery...
It´s the only explanation for the memories of the Jhon past life, and the strong desire for the others to make Jhon one of them again..

#117. Posted by: solointheplanet at April 5, 2007 11:39 PM

Does anyone remember the scene (I don't know the name of the episode) where Kate is in the really pretty dress and Ben & her have a breakfast by the beach. I remember thinking Ben said something really important to her becasue she came back really sad. But to this day she has never mentioned it to anyone...do you think we'll ever find out what went on there? Ben/others don't like Kate becasue she did "bad" things, so why did he choose her for that meal?

#118. Posted by: Amy at April 6, 2007 9:55 AM

Hey Mac,

Another great recap ! ! ! Great Job ! ! !

@welh:

I didn't notice any inconsistencies. When Kate and Juliet arrived at the Sonic Death Fence, Juliet tried to pull Kate through to the other side, Kate resisted and Juliet pulled out the handcuff key and released herself. Then she ran to the opposite side of the fence and opened the control box. Then she told Kate that she was going to want to be on her side in a second. Lastly she punched in the code twisted a lever and the fence was activated. My point is that from start to finish the actions where consistent with the fence already being turned off and Juliet turning it back on in time.

I found it very believable that smokey couldn't get through the SDF, a sonic barrier can be felt as a physical thing. What I had trouble with was the fact that Smokey didn't just fly over the top. Of course it may not be that smart.

#119. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 6, 2007 9:57 AM

mac...seems odd that there have been no posts since last night...happy easter all:)

#120. Posted by: JT at April 6, 2007 10:06 AM

@Amy
There were certainly more things that went down at the 'breakfast on the beach' than we saw. Re: Kate's wrists were red and raw. It has been mentioned, but not lately. I think that the details will be revealed in some future episode.

#121. Posted by: JT at April 6, 2007 10:13 AM

@Iheartdez,

i'm gonna have to disagree and say sayid is by far the sexiest man on the island, especially when he's about to torture someone. he gets all manly,brooding,low-key and smooth talking and it just gives me goose bumps!!

....sorry,back to reality. :)

#122. Posted by: tiffani at April 6, 2007 10:15 AM

I'd like to know: Just how did Jules know the security fence was off? She must have had prior knowledge or else she would have been fried by passing thru. I believe she is a plant - just to keep track of the 815ers. The walkie left behind and found by Paolo will become Juliette's means of communicating with her "other" friends. All she has to do is convince everyone at the beach that she is on the 'up and up', gain control of the walkie via false pretences, and use the device to make reports to Ben.

Any thoughts?
Len

#123. Posted by: Len at April 6, 2007 10:18 AM

@tiffani - I have to disagree with you. Sawyer is by far the the best eye candy I've seen in a long time - that is, until he opens his mouth! I especially like him with his hair tied back...ahhh, okay, back to reality!

#124. Posted by: meg at April 6, 2007 10:44 AM

Did anyone notice the Mouse Trap game in the game room with Kate at the beginning of the episode? It was sitting on a shelf against the wall.

Re Juliet and Kate: I think Juliet was already awake and pretending to be unconscious when she suddenly grabbed Kate's wrist.

Re Smoke monster: I still don't get why it can't go over the fence. To those that said it's grounded and simply grows taller, wouldn't it just grow tall enough to bend over the fence? Also, I don't belive it is grounded, because in this episode it seems to slither through the air like a snake, hovering above the ground rather than against it.

#125. Posted by: copwife at April 6, 2007 11:04 AM

Sayid, Desmond and Sawyer the the sexiest guys in that island....and in a creepy way I like Ben too?:)

Saywer looks so cute with his hair up! and desmond's scottish accent is sooooo hot (anyone know if it's real?)

#126. Posted by: Iheartdez at April 6, 2007 11:13 AM

Easy ladies.....the last thing all of us dudes need is for this to become the LOST Male Review.

But I have a Dr's note allowing me to discuss things like 'Secret Embrace' and mud wrestling amongst the LOST ladies. It's like a fever, and the only prescription is more cow-bell!!

#127. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 6, 2007 11:35 AM

Can anyone explain the fact that Smokey seems to be kept underground and released? Does someone control it and use it to keep tabs on people? When and why? I think the mechanical sounds are the doors opening to release him (remeber Locke being pulled into one in season one) I have never seen any comments on this.

Also, think Ben had enough of Julia's act and decided her faith would be better spent on the beach as an "outsider" rather then a pest to Bens (and Jacob?) leadership.

#128. Posted by: Corckp at April 6, 2007 11:36 AM

We're equal opportunity here, within reason. Male and Female "Gawk Talk" is fine as long as it doesn't degenerate into NC17 fanfic ;)

#129. Posted by: mac at April 6, 2007 11:37 AM

@ mac - here-here...just messin'..I really just wanted to add a 'cow-bell' comment to the blog...

#130. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 6, 2007 11:52 AM

@Red...Neck...Man: There's always room for more cowbell.

#131. Posted by: mac at April 6, 2007 11:57 AM

@obi-mac: I like the way your comments are in a different color now.

OBI-MAC FOR PRESIDENT!

Vote early & often!

#132. Posted by: hurling at April 6, 2007 12:00 PM

@Amy & @ T.J. -- in one of the official podcasts, Executive Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse confirmed that the Kate/Ben beach scene [followed by the scene where her wrists were bloody] was *not* an important clue. They said they cut out a scene in between where Kate tried to struggle, which is why her wrists were bloody. Lindelof & Cuse said they did not intend to suggest something happened that made Kate hide a secret.

Anyway ....

Another thought I had re: Juliet being left behind and brought back to the Losties camp ------

Juliet is a fertility doctor. We all know that the Others love babies and children (Alex, Walt, etc.) for some nefarious reason.

Well ... who's the only young one in the Losties camp right now?

Aaron.

Oh ... and who was revealed to be a blood relation to Jack?

Claire.

I may be a conspiracy theorist here, LOL, but it would be interesting if Juliet had designs on baby Aaron and Jack, having found out Claire is related, has to make an important decision.....

#133. Posted by: Matt-DC at April 6, 2007 1:26 PM

haha
check out

www.lostdesmond.com

I went googling ot find out more about the actor who plays Desmond and came across this!! HA!

#134. Posted by: Iheartdez at April 6, 2007 1:36 PM

For whom ever is concerned :)
Here is the actor who plays Desmond biography..I think the accent may be real after all?

Biography for
Henry Ian Cusick
advertisement Date of Birth
17 April 1967, Trujillo, Peru


Height
6' (1.83 m)


Spouse
Annie Wood (2006 - present) 3 children


Trivia
His mother is Peruvian and his father is Scottish. He was raised in Trinidad and Scotland.

He was kicked out of The Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama before joining the Glasgow Citizens Theatre where he performed for a number of years. He also performed with The Royal Shakespeare Company, Royal National Theatre, The Almeida, Liverpool Playhouse, Babel Theatre Company, 7:84 Theatre Company (Scotland) to name a few...

He auditioned for LOST by putting himself on DVD in London and sending it off to LA.

Special commendation for the Ian Charleson Award 1994 (Best performance by an actor under 30 in a classical role).

#135. Posted by: Iheartdez at April 6, 2007 1:43 PM

"""""@Amy & @ T.J. -- in one of the official podcasts, Executive Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse confirmed that the Kate/Ben beach scene [followed by the scene where her wrists were bloody] was *not* an important clue. They said they cut out a scene in between where Kate tried to struggle, which is why her wrists were bloody. Lindelof & Cuse said they did not intend to suggest something happened that made Kate hide a secret."""""

Thank you for this matt-dc...now I can forget about this :)

#136. Posted by: Amy at April 6, 2007 1:46 PM

Okay…another goofy-ass theory about Smoky…

(Note careful avoidance of the word "penultimate.")

The producers have stated that Smoky is not a cloud of nano-bots a la Michael Crichton's Prey. I have previously postulated that Smoky is a cloud of telekinetically-controlled black sand. I still think this is possible, although it begs the question of who is controlling the sand-cloud.

My new theory is that Smoky is some kind of cross between a swarm of bio-genetically mutated insects (Dr. Arzt did claim to discover a large number of new species on the island) like bees or ants with some kind of intellect-sharing capability like the Borg from Star Trek. Still leaves the why and all that other hooey, but that's all I got fer now.

Also, I think the reason Jack's place was all banged up was because he tried to get out like Kate did, only Kate didn't have a whole lot of breakable stuff in the rec hall (pool tables can be tough to pick up) and Jack had all kinds of gewgaws and knickknacks and the like.

BTW - I've made my peace with Smoky not going over the fence. I'm putting it down to a sort of super-charged electronic pet fence and letting it go at that.

#137. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 6, 2007 2:03 PM

How exactly did Juliette know that the fence was off when her and Kate approached it? Surely the only way she could know is by being told by the Others that it would be left off so she could return.

Also, when and why was it switched off? It was certainly on when the Lostville Crusaders crossed it a few episodes ago. I imagine the Others have a way of shutting off a certain point of the fence so they can come and go without switching off the *entire* fence which surely poses quite a security risk to such a paranoid group of people.

This says to me that Juliette is still involved with the Others and shouldn't be trusted. With Sayid back in the loop though, I can't see her managing to do anything useful.

#138. Posted by: Paul at April 6, 2007 2:13 PM

@Iheartdez

>Biography for
>Henry Ian Cusick

>Spouse
>Annie Wood (2006 - present) 3 >children

Now that's fast work!

#139. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 6, 2007 2:22 PM

i whole heartdly agree, sawyer, desmond and sayid are definitely the sexiest islanders ever and i certaintly wouldnt mind being stranded on a tropical island with either one of them and all three would be even better!!!! :)

#140. Posted by: tiffani at April 6, 2007 2:30 PM

What I don't get is, one week they lay a tree branch to go over a measly 12 foot fence and do so without any harm. However in an earlier episode ole' Smokey was hanging Mr. Echo a good two stories in the air. How come the Smokester couldn't bend over a 12 ft Sonic Death Fence like our friends did?

#141. Posted by: Moe at April 6, 2007 2:35 PM

@JackieL

I am with you -- I believe that the "Others" are the "Hostiles" -- just two different names for the same group, given by two different people (Rousseau and Dharma). I believe that they overthrew Dharma and took control over the island and whatever Dharma had been doing there. Now when this all happened, I have no idea. But I don't believe Juliet was brought on as part of Dharma -- she was brought to the island by the Others themselves...

#142. Posted by: Stocky at April 6, 2007 2:44 PM

I know that this has nothing to do with this weeks discussion topic, but I felt I had to sound the trumpet on Mac's behalf. I checked the latest standing in the Hugo Cup and our boy Mac is ahead of most but not yet in first.

The Standings:

1) LostPedia - 245 votes
2) DarkUFO - 217 votes
3) TailSection - 142 votes
4) The CDP.net - 112 votes
5) FilmFodder - 102 votes

Based on this I can only hope that many of those that visit and enjoy Mac's efforts week in and week out have just not had the chance to go and vote yet. Let's all pull together and show 'em that Mac's has the best blog out there. The others just can't compare.

Thank you.

We know return you to your regularly scheduled program . . . .

#143. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 6, 2007 3:03 PM

@Mr. Grimm: Wow, I didn't realize the voting had cracked 100. Thanks for the update! (And thank you VERY much to everyone who has voted -- I'm stunned and flattered and very appreciative). -- mac

#144. Posted by: mac at April 6, 2007 3:06 PM

ALL TIME BEST LINE EVER WRITTEN BY MAC:

Kate = Idiot.

I laughed for at least 10 min on that one Mac, thanks.


#145. Posted by: smokemonster at April 6, 2007 3:34 PM

All Time Favorite Macism:

Back in the Others' camp, Jack and Sayid munch on Doritos and watch the fight via closed-circuit cameras. "I hope they make out!" Sayid squeals. (Seriously -- this scene must have been written by male writers.)

#146. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 6, 2007 3:51 PM

In the past when smokey appeared, there have been whispers in the background. Has anyone noticed heard anything about whispers in this epi?

#147. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 6, 2007 4:00 PM

I always assumed the whispers were from the Others as part of the mind games.

I just voted for mac - 106!

#148. Posted by: meg at April 6, 2007 4:40 PM

@ davidrh (groan)

@ ButchM: After all that I could use a 7-up. ; LOL at lilac crazy! Red...Neck...Man

Nah, nah, nuh, nah, nah ...

Anyway davidrh, Juliet's conscience never "no’s" what’s wrong.

@ ransomjackson - Okay…another goofy-ass theory about Smoky…(Note careful avoidance of the word "penultimate.")

damn! How about antepenultimate?

Happy Holidays to all the macsters out there!!!!! (I miss Nikki - shhh)

#149. Posted by: ButchM at April 6, 2007 4:57 PM

@green

When I try to register to vote for mac, it tells me "incomplete user name or password." I've tried everything and still get that message. Any suggestions? Thanks.

#150. Posted by: ButchM at April 6, 2007 5:04 PM

@meg "I always assumed the whispers were from the Others as part of the mind games."

My favorite theory is that there exists a series of tunnels around the island and that a third group (hostiles?) use them to observe the Losties. The whispers are the echos of their talking to each other from the hidden tunnel exits or "windows." I know several of the whispers refer to a "gate."

#151. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 6, 2007 5:41 PM

@ ButchM - Did you register at the site?

#152. Posted by: meg at April 6, 2007 5:54 PM

@Corckp

may be smokey was pulling Locke into the magic box Ben was referring to! smokey is what cause the magic box to produce what u want by shape shifting!

#153. Posted by: aj at April 6, 2007 5:57 PM

vote number 110...I wonder who was vote number 108? Little spooky..

#154. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 6, 2007 7:10 PM

My explanation for the different wake-up times for the various gassed characters --

Assuming Juliette wasn't gassed or somehow protected herself from receiving a full dose, she dragged Kate out into the jungle. Once in the jungle, Kate was free to breathe clean air, allowing her to wake up faster.

Jack, who was in a closed interior space, would have been breathing the gas for quite some time even after he initially lost consciousness. So it would take longer for him to wake up.

If Sayid was still outside, handcuffed to the playground, then he would receive the same open air benefits, and presumably wake up earlier. But being handcuffed to the playground, there wasn't much he could do about it. He may have screamed for a little while, but it wouldn't have been enough to wake up Jack.

#155. Posted by: BJ Nemeth at April 6, 2007 8:00 PM

Anybody remember when Ben&Jules were first shown observing the new arrivals in the tv hatch? Ben says he will have to get to "know" them because he wants to manipulate their emotional weaknesses for his benefit.

I think that Jules was given a "punishment" along with her brand. That being her assignment to be handcuffed to Kate, go with her back to the primitive living conditions of the Losties and learn as much as she can about them-even getting them to trust her-so that she can tell Ben what he needs to know when he wants to play his mindgames.

I hope Sayid beats the crap out of her next week, but she's tricky, that one...

BTW I too am having trouble voting---seems the site won't accept my registration's password. Had to get a new one emailed and now have to go back to vote. But Mac's worth it!!
Namaste

#156. Posted by: stontilam at April 6, 2007 9:30 PM

Is Juliet's whole relationship with Jack a con? From making him sandwiches in the cell, to the INXS video (nice one), to the others "trial" where she was spared the death penalty, to "killing" Danny to let Sawyer and Kate go? One big mind game... meaning Danny is probably still alive. All to 1) save Ben, but also 2) be able to infiltrate the losties camp down the road. I have to think we can't believe anything she says... even if Sayid tortures it out of her.

#157. Posted by: runningman at April 7, 2007 12:37 AM

People have been talking about how Juliet knew about the fence,
but I believe that Kate was koncked out with gas at her house, and Juliet (either was gassed herself all the Others just left her) went back to Kates house carried her to the fence and the deactivated it and carried kate to the jungle, and handcuffing Kate and pretending to be knocked out. Thus when the "Monster" was chasing them through the jungle Juliet knew the fence was shut off.

#158. Posted by: sky at April 7, 2007 6:39 AM


You know, there's always the possibility that there AREN'T any tunnels into or out of the Others' county seat, and Juliet knew that the fence was off because the folks needed to turn it off to leave on their journey . . .

It seems the obvious assumption - since we saw Ben and Juliet come into the one hatch thru what APPEARED to be a tunnel & we have this "roadmap" that Sawyer found - that there is a tunnel system, but as of yet, this is still just an assumption on our part, isn't it?

Have I missed something along the way that PROVES a tunnel system?

(Admittedly, it would be tie up a lot of loose ends if the tunnels existed.)

DRH

#159. Posted by: davidrh at April 7, 2007 8:52 AM

@ButchM
I just went back to the "vote site" to see if I could help you, and they remove the register/login area once you complete registration,I guess.

Can Mac (or anybody) help ButchM and possibly others having difficulty voting?

#160. Posted by: green at April 7, 2007 9:37 AM

I am really surprised that no one has mentioned that if Cassidy was pregnant with the "con man's" child, then why was she having DRINKS with Kate? I guess it's not really a huge point that's worth mentioning, I just found it odd.

I really, really, really wanna believe Juliet has good intentions. We have seen a bit of her backstory, and know that she is a 'recruit', and that she probably would love to get home to her sister. Since she was only temporarily 'One of Them' then perhaps her loyalty to them isnt as strong as it seems. Maybe she does really see it as a job. If she were branded, she could be spiteful towards the group. Besides, who of the Others' backstories have we seen? I think we have seen her's because she didnt really fit in with them, and the writers wanted us to become connected to her, because her change of sides is an important part of the storyline.

...of course, that's what they could WANT us to believe... :)

#161. Posted by: Keluha at April 7, 2007 10:10 AM

Re: the login process for the Hugo Cup.

I'm not sure what sort of behind-the-scenes quirks the system has, but judging from the registration page, it looks like you need to be careful about using lowercase for the email field. There's also a "captcha" feature on the second page of the registration (this is a computer-generated code that must be entered to proceed).

Once you've registered, you have to navigate back out to the voting area. Here's a direct link:

http://tinyurl.com/23utz2

Hope that helps!

-- mac

#162. Posted by: mac at April 7, 2007 10:29 AM

Hey, if the girls are gonna gawk, my vote goes to JACK...since day one baby!!!

What INXS video are y'all talking about? I must've missed that one...

NAMASTE!

#163. Posted by: Vikki at April 7, 2007 10:35 AM

I have a theory about Smokey. Firstly, seemed like there were two parts to Smokey. They separated and rejoined at the electric fence. So, I wonder if there is a "good" side to Smokey & a "bad" side to Smokey. Comments please!

#164. Posted by: WendyE. at April 7, 2007 10:51 AM

@Vikki: It's the "Need You Tonight/Mediate" video. You can see it here:

http://tinyurl.com/yzy7xd

The "Mediate" part is at the very end.

#165. Posted by: mac at April 7, 2007 11:06 AM

Methinks Mac's attraction to Jules is tainting his view of Kate. I think Kate is very compelling, except when she pouts up her face.

Which is about a third of the time, come to think of it.

#166. Posted by: snow at April 7, 2007 12:29 PM

@snow: Methinks you're right. Jules all the way, baby!

#167. Posted by: mac at April 7, 2007 12:33 PM

In regards to smokey not going over the fence when it was turned on......I believe that "patchy" was not zapped by the fense. He faked it. No one was going to take a chance so they climbed over it. When Juliet turned on the fense, it was really on, so smokey couldn't get over it.

#168. Posted by: dantheman at April 7, 2007 1:34 PM

I don't think "patchy" faked bleeding from the ears. He was zapped.

#169. Posted by: green at April 7, 2007 1:50 PM

About the ONLY nice thing about knee surgery is that I've had a chance to sit at the computer CONSTANTLY and roam around my favorite blogs, keeping track of all the ideas, while recuperating.

@dantheman, "I believe that patchy - - faked it."

Now, understand, I'm not willing to test this theory, but I would imagine that it's fairly difficult to make blood explode out your ears on demand! :-)

Not counting the "hold your breath" and "stop your heart beating" trick . . .


But hey, it was worth a good . . hmmm, chuckle . . anyway. Keep'em coming. Laughter IS the best medicine after all.

Cheers.

DRH

#170. Posted by: davidrh at April 7, 2007 1:53 PM

Thanks, Mac....a faboulous song, too, I might add...

#171. Posted by: Vikki at April 7, 2007 3:06 PM

Who knows maybe patchy is smokey or smokey was pretending to be patchy? I do not know....I just don't believe the fense was on when the climbed over it. CAUSE..why was it on when Locke and them where at it, but when Juliet and kate got to the fense it was off....fishy indeed.

#172. Posted by: dantheman at April 7, 2007 4:29 PM

re: "It's the "Need You Tonight/Mediate" video."

Actually, I believe that the INXS video (1987) got the idea from Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" video (1965).

Interesting that the Hydra where Juliet performed her MTV debut is subterranean (or suboceanic?)

***** POTENTIAL SPOILER *****
Also interesting that Lost is rumored to have a subterranean culture - possibly the hostiles.
***** END POTENTIAL SPOILER *****

#173. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 7, 2007 4:37 PM

@davidrh "Now, understand, I'm not willing to test this theory, but I would imagine that it's fairly difficult to make blood explode out your ears on demand! "

Ha! LOL!

Now the foaming at the mouth thing, that's a little easier.

#174. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 7, 2007 4:44 PM

HAPPY EASTER everyone!! I just got done decorating - I wrote LOST on a few eggs, then dyed them.. some real LOST Easter Eggs that I could put in my basket!!

Is it just me, or does anyone else get an "Incredible Hulk" vibe from the Kate flashbacks? Each one seems like an episode of the Hulk TV series - with David Banner assuming some new name in some new town, with that reporter McGhee right on his heels.. I can almost hear that teary piano music as Kate strolls away in the final scenes...

Mac, you definitely get my vote! (actually five of them so far) At last check, you're gaining ground on the Tail Section. I especially liked reading all the comments left by familiar posters and quite a few new names. On the downside, all this recognition may add hours to the time it aready takes to read through the postings. We're gonna need a bigger boat!

#175. Posted by: vacc at April 7, 2007 10:34 PM

Mac, thanks for another great summary.

The sonic fence: If smokey is a creature then one wonders why he didn't jump the fence. BUT if smokey is a machine it might be that being in the proximity of the fence's charge interferes with smokey's operation.

good vs bad: with regard to The Others' use of the terms, could be that it has nothing to do with morality at all. could be that it has to do with suitability. I think Ben's criteria (I do not believe in Jacob) for determining who is good and who is bad is whether or not people will buy what Ben is selling.

#176. Posted by: undaunted at April 7, 2007 11:57 PM

Maybe Juliet has deemed herself as a "plant/spy" within the Lsoties group so that she can get back in good with Ben? Or overthrow him perhaps?

Maybe Locke is doing the same with the Others so that he can ursurp Jack as the leader of the Losties?


These would be intersting parallel stories, especially if they are both acting as renegade/self-appointed crusaders.

Best line of next week's show?

SAYID: "And what do you think I will do if you don't?" (In response to Juliet' statment that if she tells him everything, the Others will kill her).

Go on, Sayid. Do it. Juliet is really beginning to tick me off. Lying. PLaying both sides of the fence and pitting everyone against everyone else (except herself). Smart? Yep. Compelling character? Yep. But...getting old. Growing tired of the lies about lies to cover other lies.

#177. Posted by: GatorGal at April 8, 2007 1:30 PM

@ mac/green/meg/etal

Nothing I do lets me into vote - caps, no caps, some caps, the name ButchM, my real email name, my real name - nothing! I keep getting "Incorect username or password."

I can't believe I'm that much of a dumb ass, but perhaps I am. I'm very upset that I can't get in there and vote for mac a bunch of times. Sorry, mac ;<(

#178. Posted by: ButchM at April 8, 2007 1:40 PM

Awesome post as usual mac. Thanks!

@ Trinity – Nice call on the whip hits. Wonder what Kate’s hearing was like as she was going down. Ah, college.
@ Matt-DC & Trinity re: LOST Thematic Thoughts... & Mr. Ecko – I think Smokey is definitely judging people but don’t have any problem with Ecko’s fate in that regard. Everybody thought Ecko was a bad mofo trying to do good and all but at his heart he was ruthless. Smokey checked him out & he stared it/him down, passing the 1st test maybe and thinking this dude pretending to be a priest has some potential. But when it was time to repent Ecko didn’t. He blamed his situation and claimed he had no problem with what he’s done because of it. The man was a cold blooded killer, drug trafficker & conman with no remorse. I think the moral there was that killing a bunch of people and living as a drug lord isn’t “the best” thing he could do, it was the easiest. And I think his inability to recognize that is what got him killed. Juxtapose that with Locke’s life. John, while not spending as much time in mortal danger as Ecko, has had the poopie end of the stick come his way more often than not but still always tries to do what’s best, not easiest, and usually to his detriment. While Locke has spent most of his life looking for a family, Ecko spent most of his time avoiding his family/brother. That’s just my idiot opinion anyway.
@ vikki re: Sun & Sawyer: Whoa! I don’t know if I buy them hooking up just yet but that’s intriguing. I think there’s something about Sun’s past that’s a little more… selfish, I guess… than we’ve been shown so far.
@ snow - Whats’a’matta with the Kate pouting?!?! I’ll take more of that over more cow bell any day : )
@ vacc – love the Incredible Hulk comparison. Very funny. I think there’s a whole buncha back-story re Kate & her Mr. McGee that we haven’t seen yet. He’s waaaay more dedicated (was I mean) to chasing her than the situation warrants IMHO.

I’m really looking forward to Sayid & Juliet’s dance this week!!!

#179. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at April 8, 2007 3:34 PM

@ButchM : We live in a society where everybody deserves a vote. Since you are experiencing technical difficulties, I cast an extra vote under the name ButchM_1 - you're vote number 140! Rest easy, your voice has been heard!

#180. Posted by: vacc at April 8, 2007 5:49 PM

Why, if you were gassing 3 people - 2 of which were indoors, would you ALL don gas masks and then leave?
Seems a bit odd to me.

#181. Posted by: taoski at April 8, 2007 7:00 PM

hey yall. longtime reader of macs review, first timt posting. i love reading macs reviews and the different therioes yall come up with. but i had to go vote for man #144. keep it up mack. rock on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#182. Posted by: longhornsjim at April 8, 2007 8:56 PM

@ Gail...
I too wondered whether or not I saw Juliet putting on a gas mask with the 'others'. Has anyone gone back to take a look?

Also, it's so easy to get wrapped up in wanting to know EVERYTHING about LOST that we forget to acknowledge the great writing. The symbolism between Kate's backstory (trying to help someone (mom) who didn't want to be helped) and what happened on the island (trying to help someone who didn't want to be helped (Jack)). Don't get me wrong...I've lost sleep over Ol' Smokey not going over the fence, but I still have to give credit where it's due.
RFD=Razzle freakin' dazzle, not Mayberry :-)
Namaste and WGNABB
And for the Locke fans: DTMWICD=Don't tell me what I can't do (like hide a submarine and con the others?)

#183. Posted by: J-Rod at April 8, 2007 9:03 PM

@Dr. Bologna:

The reason I don't want Kate pouting is because she's much more awesome when she's kicking butt and protecting friends.

But the scrunched up faces remind me too much that she sucks at figuring which guy she wants, That's not awesome. That's just irritating.

I prefer the kicking butt/protecting Kate to the sniffle face/how could you do this to me Kate.

#184. Posted by: snow at April 9, 2007 6:54 AM

I watched the re-run and I'm 99% sure that Juliet was one of the Others putting on a gas mask as Kate watched out the window...

#185. Posted by: R at April 9, 2007 8:36 AM

@snow - I totally agree with you about Kate. The scene where she confronted her mother was sickening! I mean, get over it already, your mom is a weak you- know-what! Kate should have realized this by this point in her life. And what indication did she have that her weak mom would be happy for the murder of her abusive husband. Come on, she stayed with the slime bag. Kate can be frustrating, and I like it when she's strong.

#186. Posted by: meg at April 9, 2007 10:07 AM

Sorry, but I don't see a significant difference between Mac's earlier reviews and his current ones. They're still brilliant, comprehensive, witty, thought provoking, and entertaining.

I'm 99% sure that was NOT Juliet donning a gas mask as Kate looked out the window at the Others. Juliet's shirt in later scenes is a similar color to the woman in question, but a different style. I just think they would've made it more obvious if they wanted us to think she was Juliet. Hooray for differing opinions!

Juliet definitely planned on going back to the beach with the Losties, but I just can't decide if it's because she was truly left behind or because Ben is forcing her to infiltrate. All signs point to infiltration (having handcuffs, having the keys to those handcuffs, knowing the fence was off- not just discovering it was off...), but my gut tells me she really wants out and is no longer loyal to Ben. Time will tell I guess.

In the preview for next week, I thought Juliet told Sayid that if she told him everything she knew then HE would kill her (not THEY, as in the Others). A minor point, and I can't wait to see how it all pans out. She's bound to spill her guts a little bit, but no matter what happens Jack will be her bodyguard on the beach.

#187. Posted by: JoePike at April 9, 2007 10:28 AM

I agree with other posters who asked, "Why can the Losties go over the fence and Smokey can't?" Totally dumb, Lost writers. Get it together, or this show will start falling apart.

Don't get me wrong. I love "Lost" as much as the next person, but if they keep dropping stupid plot holes like this one, I'll quit watching.

I think Juliet was not left behind. She is a mole. And the Losties just fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Except for Sayid. Because he's a bad mf.

#188. Posted by: Amanda S. at April 9, 2007 11:48 AM

I'm surprised that people are so focussed on why the smoke monster won't go over the fence.

I can think of plenty of real world examples where animals have easy ways to get out of invisible or rickity electric fences yet they don't because of a couple of initial bad experiences.

In psychological experiments, humans can behave the same way.

To me, it's really not that far fetched for the smoke to be so easily stopped. Bottom line, there are endless examples of things that happen or happened on that island, and at a certain point, you have to suspend logic and just go along for the ride.

#189. Posted by: petew at April 9, 2007 12:08 PM

"...at a certain point, you have to suspend logic and just go along for the ride."

Well said petew! Reminds me of a lyric from the Rush song Mystic Rhythms... "We suspend our disbelief, and we are entertained!"

This show is gaining some serious momentum now...I'm not going to let the petty details detract from my enjoyment of the show. Anyway, Kate is going to ask Juliet that question about why Smokey didn't just go over the fence in a future ep. Her answer will be something like "I don't know. He just doesn't." Mark my words!

#190. Posted by: JoePike at April 9, 2007 12:36 PM

150!!!!!!!

When I registered, my problem was the space between the two words. I had to register as Crispy_Seaplanes.

Go Mac!!!!!!

#191. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 9, 2007 1:28 PM

I just posted the latest Hugo Cup vote standings in the Vote for the Lost Blog topic. As soon as I did, Crispy Seaplanes rounded out the count to 150!

@Crispy Seaplanes: I think Crispy Seaplanes would be an awesome name for a breakfast cereal. Imagine colorful crunchy airplane shapes that can't be submerged in milk. Perhaps with marshmallow sharks that never float to the top.

#192. Posted by: vacc at April 9, 2007 1:44 PM

@vacc: I think Crispy Seaplanes would be an awesome name for a breakfast cereal. Imagine colorful crunchy airplane shapes that can't be submerged in milk. Perhaps with marshmallow sharks that never float to the top.

Would those marshmellow sharks have Dharma logos on them? Oh, and how about a submarine that snap, crackles, and pops?

#193. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 9, 2007 2:42 PM

re: Smokey VS the fence

I find it rather absurd that people are having "realism" issues with this. Like anyone here really has any idea what smokey is, what it can or cannot do. Like anyone here is an expert in sonic fences, and how they should or should not work.

In time, as we learn more about smokey and the fence, we will learn why smokey could not pop over. Heck - if I'm willing to believe that smokey even exists, I really don't have that big of a problem with the fence having the ability to hold smokey, while humans can hop over.

#194. Posted by: Shikotee at April 9, 2007 2:52 PM

Would the new 'Crispy Seaplanes' cereal come in a 'magic box'?

And imagine the possibilities regarding the toy inside:

Polar bear action figure
Small bag of diamonds
Phuket stick-on tattoo
Lock of Rousseaus hair (unwashed)
Handcuff keys
Mini Jesus-stick

I could go on forever.......

#195. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 9, 2007 3:28 PM

Of course there's a magic box--Crispy Seaplanes are magically delicious!

Let's not involve a lock of Rousseau's hair however--that's just not appetizing. Pfft,Pfft--I got a hair in my mouth!
How about a little Virgin Mary statue filled with pure sugar?

#196. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 9, 2007 3:45 PM

***** REALLY BIG SPOILER *****
Per ABC, Andrew Divoff (Mikhail) is listed in the credits of an upcoming Sun/Jin centric episode. So apparently he is not really dead. (This was hinted at on the official podcast) Of course it could be just a flashback.
***** END REALLY BIG SPOILER *****

#197. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 9, 2007 5:20 PM

What happened to the question of the week?

#198. Posted by: green at April 9, 2007 7:21 PM

I've only just realised Kate is Sabrina the Teenage Witches cousin =0

Well it could explain the magic box!

#199. Posted by: Scott at April 9, 2007 7:30 PM

---GAS MASK HYPOTHESIS-----

What if the gas masks were used because of where the others were GOING rather than b/c they were gassing 3 people. I mean really, why would they all have to put on masks? Having to use a mask in certain places on the island wouldn't be unheard of. Dharma people have done it for years. Maybe there is some hallucinagenic gas that naturally occurs on the island, which would help to explain things that the losties have seen. Crazy? Not so crazy as a smoke monster that can shape shift but not go over a fence.

DTMWICD

#200. Posted by: J-Rod at April 10, 2007 1:32 PM

176 and counting.

#201. Posted by: John at April 10, 2007 3:49 PM

I like that gas mask hypothesis--makes sense to me.

Now--question of the week: Why won't Smoky go over the fence?

When she was but a wee puff of smoke, (Smoky must be a she with the mood swings that have been exhibited!) ol' Smoky was kidnapped from the top of her mama's barbeque grill and relocated to the island as part if cruel and inhumane experiments by Dharma. While there they subjected her to experimental behavior modification through use of sonic conditioning (she still can't wear headphones to this day!), electric shock (she's careful not todrag her wispy tail on the carpet, lest she get a static shock), and hormone replacement therapy. Some other (Other?) important areas on the island are protected by the Don'twhizontheelectric Fence and the Estro-Death Ray Fence. The briefest of contact with any of these fences cause the ol' girl to revert back to the horrors of her childhood and run quivering back into the woods looking for a teddy bear to snuggle with.

Unfortunately this hypothesis on Smoky represents a major continuity error with Smoky's previously know backstory presented by ButchM!

#202. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 10, 2007 4:13 PM

@ JoePike: what if...Juliet has independently taken it upon herself to infiltrate the Losties with the intent of OVERTHROWING Ben? maybe she is trying to get in good with the Others (again) in order to usurp Ben of his power? If you follow my thoguhts then, Ben kinda did banish her (she was left behind) but has decided not to take it and has a devious plan to gte him back and boot him out. So...she is temporarily goin to pretend to be a Lostie in order to really go back and take over as leader of the Others (unbeknownst to them). Just a thought...

#203. Posted by: GatorGal at April 10, 2007 4:17 PM

@ vacc, redneckman and crispy: Ooh! This is fun! Love the cereal idea -- we might really be on to something here. Licensed food prodcuts have been done with a lot less than this. So, for the sake of, say, creativty, let's be sure to include the following in our cereal box:

-- a toy Ocenaic airlines plane (maybe it snaps apart?)

-- Stickers (could do a whole series: I pushed the button. The numbers are bad. WGNABB. Live Together or Die Alone. etc.)

-- a mini Haliburton case

-- Candy rocks (one black. one white)

Ah -- my marketing mind is all a twitter! Of course, standard-issue Dharma packaging would complete the look! (And really set it apart at retail, I might add).

#204. Posted by: GatorGal at April 10, 2007 4:29 PM

@vacc

Bless you and thank you for "my" vote. Now I feel worthy again.

@vacc (again) - @Crispy Seaplanes: I think Crispy Seaplanes would be an awesome name for a breakfast cereal. Imagine colorful crunchy airplane shapes that can't be submerged in milk. Perhaps with marshmallow sharks that never float to the top.

This is a fabulous idea and I just wanted to be certain that all the macsters out there know that it belonged to you.

In addition to airplanes, maybe some of the crunchy shapes can be of the Lost characters - naturally, 50% of each box of Crispy Seaplanes would be filled with shapes of Hurley.

By the way, the rumor that Hugo has lost 100 pounds is a big FAT lie!!!

#205. Posted by: ButchM at April 10, 2007 5:27 PM

Has everyone forgotten Alex's boyfriend?
He was supposed to go back to the second island and fetch her! Where the hell is he now???

why is Rousseau not rescuing Jack, sayid... I presume she is now following the others to their next destination.

Juliet should tell the whole story now to the losties if she wants to be one of them. Of course it would make no sense that in the next episode, they all go back to the beach and she starts telling everything. So... I guess she will either die, go away, be kidnapped or join the others again. Why would the others let her go with Jack if they know she can tell them everything? it makes no sense.

Why do the others give them freedom? I am sure it is because Locke has been negociating their freedom. Otherwise I dont see why they would not keep them in jail as before. Ben needs Locke to recover his legs.

#206. Posted by: helene at April 11, 2007 9:01 AM

Sometimes I think the writers can't keep up with it all themselves. Some of the people on here do a much better job of that. They should apply for jobs. I had already forgotten about the boyfriend as well!

#207. Posted by: meg at April 11, 2007 11:45 AM

@Helene

Alex's boyfriend was heading back to the barracks, not to the other island. Once he, Kate and Sawyer left Hydra Island, they got back to the main island, and Alex's boyfriend, well, wenthome. That is why Kate was mad at Sawyer for letting him go -- because they could have followed him back to where they live, which they found anyway. I'm sure he arrived safely back at the barracks, and then left when everyone else did.

Or, he never made it back to the barracks, got cuaght in one of Rousseau's nets somewhere, and is "hanging around" waiting for his eventual reunion with Alex and his future mother-in-law...

#208. Posted by: Stocky at April 11, 2007 11:56 AM

I just think that with Juliet's backstory, her main concern now is getting home. I don't think she wants anything to do with the Others or Ben anymore...

#209. Posted by: JoePike at April 11, 2007 11:59 AM

Right ON! I can't decide who i'd want to do first - sahid, sawyer, jack or Desmond! '

#210. Posted by: babydoll at April 11, 2007 12:51 PM

@Stocky

Is it possible that Alex's b-friend is not one of the Others, but part of the third unknown group (aka The Hostiles)? This would explain why Bens Others had him locked up in a cel by Sawyer, and in the clockwork orangesque scenerio.

I could totally see Alex dating someone outside of the Others clique, as this sure would piss off Ben!

#211. Posted by: Shikotee at April 11, 2007 1:31 PM

I have a new name ... someone was also using lost addict

Maybe Rousseau dragged both Kate and Juliette out into the woods because they were actually going to be killed (locke telling kate he fought for her but they are unforgiving) It makes no sense to just leave the Losties there and more sense to kill them. We know they don't have a problem with killing people. Maybe Rousseau saved Jack, too, and that's why his house looked like there was a fight there (after freeing Sayid of course)

#212. Posted by: Luvlost at April 11, 2007 1:45 PM

Hey Everyone,

I've tried reading through the posts to see where you folks are going with the latest theories. I've seen a bunch of good stuff. Alot if it makes me go "Hmmmmmm". But I just read from a very reliable source regarding tonight's episode and let me tell you, it is a game changer of an episode. I will NOT reveal anything about tonight's ep, but I will say that alot of doubts regarding the writers and the direction of the show should be put to rest after tonight.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH ! ! ! ! I hate having such great information and not being able to share it ! Trust me though, the Grimmster would never steer you wrong, tonight the show will knock you on your A$$. The best part is that Mac's recap will probably be one of his best.

#213. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 11, 2007 4:10 PM

@ mac : Again, hit me up for the responsibility for the weekly question. Where is lost_me?

@ Mr. Grimm : I figured as much. As I mentioned above, I think that Juliette's flashback regarding how/why she came to the island will reveal/explain a ton.

@ Red...Neck...Man : You really have incredible commentary. Keep it up! YEAH!

#214. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 11, 2007 4:21 PM

Just something that dawned on me when I heard Juliet espousing what she knows about Jack.

This idea of a list is probably not as complex as we first believed. The list that Ethan gathered was simply the full names of all of the passengers on the crashed flight. Once they gained these names, Ben and co. were able to send for detailed information/dirt on the passengers from back home. So when they say "X isn't on the list," I'm thinking this is simply a slip on Ethan's part in not getting all of the names of the passengers, rather than some more complex hierarchy of goodness theory.

Matt

#215. Posted by: Matt Crawford at April 11, 2007 4:59 PM

@Red...Neck...Man: I tried dropping a line to your yahoo address. Can you send me an email at mac@filmfodder.com? We can talk about the lost question.

#216. Posted by: mac at April 11, 2007 5:06 PM

***** SPOILERS *****

Hey Guys...
Micheal Ausiello from TV Guide was privvy to a copy of tonights episode and says that this could possibly be the best episode of Lost yet. To further quote M.A. he says...You want answers? This one's got'em in spades!
I can't wait!

Check it out!

http://tinyurl.com/syajl

#217. Posted by: green at April 11, 2007 5:21 PM

@Shikotee

I don't believe that Alex's boyfriend would be a member of the third group, because I believe that the "Others" and the "Hostiles" are one in the same. The group was called "the Others" by Rousseau, and was referred to as "the Hostiles" by both Marvin Candle and Kelvin Inman, who we know were both part of the Dharma Initiative (Desmond of course picked up the term from Kelvin).

So the three KNOWN island groups are our Losties, the Dharma Initiative (even though we have yet to actually SEE anyone from Dharma other than the aforementioned recordings of Marvin Candle, and of course Kelvin), and the Others/Hostiles...

#218. Posted by: Stocky at April 11, 2007 5:57 PM

@Shikotee

Sorry I posted before I finished my thought...

As to why he had been locked up, and then was being tortured, I honestly don't know. There were many people chained up and working in the pit with Sawyer and Kate, and I highly doubt they were all survivors from the tail section. Some were probably others being punished for one reason or another. I just think that he must have done SOMETHING to piss Ben (or someone else) off, and thus he required some sort of discipline or punishment. After repeated attempts, it seems to me that they finally just locked him up in that A/V stimulation room so they wouldn't have to worry about him. Remember, at one point Alex actually raided the Hydra worksite with a slingshot? She seemed to me to be banished to some extent (at least until Ben had his surgery that is). Maybe they were lovers on the run until her boyfriend (I really wish I could remember his name...) got caught back in the barracks and was thrown into that cage next to Sawyer's. Then Alex was forced to go rescue him, and found that Kate and Sawyer had been captured.

#219. Posted by: Stocky at April 11, 2007 6:14 PM

Oops. I just remembered Alex already knew that Kate and Sawyer were captured because she helped at the dock...

#220. Posted by: Stocky at April 11, 2007 6:18 PM

I wonder if anyone of you guys has been wondering about this like me. Why would Ben leave behind 2 (probably the only 2) qualified medical doctors while he probably still requires intensive medical attention given his present condition. He has gone to the trouble of having the "ONLY" sub to be blown up just to keep Jack there and then letting him go like that, I don't buy it.

#221. Posted by: Endolin at April 12, 2007 1:33 AM

Just typed on google : smokey lost
and it gave me this :

"Smokey Robinson and the Miracles" music group which produced "the Lost and found Album" !!!! 1958-1964

does anyone know their album?

#222. Posted by: Helene at April 12, 2007 8:37 AM

So what is their plan, why is Juliet there?

I think she's either there to divide the camp, cause them all to turn on Jack, who’s the leader or she’s there to keep an eye on Kate who might have conceived when she did the nasty with Sawyer and sun who conceived off the island. The problem was not having babies on the island it was conceiving on the island, so I think she will be experimenting on them both. She still has to hold up her end of the deal with Jacob. (Curing the island women in exchange for saving her sister) She goes off to figure out the cure to the only place that has pregnant women or at least women who have not been exposed long enough to whatever is causing this and Ben goes to work out the Locke father son drama.

OR I could be wrong (it has happened before) and she's out for herself and not necessarily following Ben’s plan. Maybe she has her own plan we don’t know about yet. We haven’t seen what happened right after the sub “blew” up. How could she have gotten over that her chance to go home had blown up their faces so fast? I think we’re missing important info there.

OR she will become too close to the Losties and can’t go through with whatever her mission is. They gave her a tarp for god’s sake – if that doesn’t warm your cold little other heart, I don’t know what will.

This pregnant-women-dying thing would also explain Ben's desire to keep Alex and Carl apart. In the scene where Juliet gets the X-rays back, she says that Carl helped her develop them, so he was on good turns with them, what could have made them put him in a cage?? Maybe Ben caught his daughter getting a little too close to Carl?

My favorite scene? When Juliet goes buck-wild on Ben about the X-rays – he looks totally scared for the first time ever (Not counting when he was fake scared as Henry Gale) I was just waiting for Juliet to punch him in his buggy face.

Also Mittelos = Lost Time

#223. Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 10:52 AM

Holy 8@#*! Mr Grimm--boy were you right about last night's episode! Can't wait for the recap!
Loved the drink the Jonestown Kool-Aid and come with us or decide not to drink--very Matrix-y.
I think she's not upset about the sub because Ben probably told her that it wasn't really blown up. He's still dangling that carrot of going home to get her to do what he wants. Wherever the Others went, he said they'd be back in a week--that should be just in time for the season finale. This season is turning out pretty cool after all. Can't wait to see how it all plays out!

#224. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 12, 2007 11:23 AM

I've read the comments until half way down and everyone is wondering about fence and Juliette. Isn't it obvious that Juliette knows the fence is off, because SHE turned it off when leaving , on her way to the jungle?(whether carrying Kate, with the others and kate, drugged/not drugged, whatever)?

#225. Posted by: Mr T at April 16, 2007 6:15 AM

3-15 - Left Behind

A hike in the woods
Smokey prowls, growls, and flashes,
Jules joins the beachies?

#226. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 22, 2008 4:11 PM

MIF...still haven't found Jon...???

#227. Posted by: meg at March 23, 2008 8:30 PM