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Key Points from "One of Us"

Season 3, Episode 16
Episode Air Date: 04/11/07

Point 1
Juliet

Jack

Claire

Sayid

Sawyer

Kate
Who is Dr. Juliet Burke? Is she a kind-hearted researcher who brings hope to childless women? Is she a calculating super-ninja with a murky agenda and a thirst for revenge?

Or, is she both?

Back in "Not in Portland," the first Juliet-centric episode, the case was made for Jules' nebbish nature, but after witnessing her ass-kicking skills in "Left Behind" and the jaw-dropping twist at the conclusion of this episode, I don't know what to think of dear Dr. Burke. (Well, that's not entirely true -- I "think" she's one of the most interesting characters on the show).

But now it's time to stop thinking and start recappin'.

The early portions of "One of Us" focus on Juliet, Jack, Kate and Sayid as they trek from Bennsylvania back to the beach camps (Juliet's knowledge of sonic death fences removes peril from the journey, which is nice). Along the way it becomes apparent that Kate and Sayid have major issues with Juliet. Kate shows her ire by uttering exactly four syllables in this entire episode (I'm not even sure she has a full line of dialogue), but Sayid prefers a more direct route: He demands Other details from Juliet -- lots and lots of Other details.

And just as it seems a great geyser of answers is about to spring from Juliet's mouth, Jack swoops in to shut down the inquisition. Jack -- who continues to show unparalleled idiocy -- seems to think he's "protecting" Juliet, and part of this protection involves her taking the Fifth whenever and however she likes.

So the juicy Sayid-Juliet showdown hinted at in last week's previews was yet another anticlimactic tease from the marketing department (thanks, guys). Fortunately, there's plenty of good stuff to cover this teaser faux pas.

Things get very interesting when the group eventually returns to the beach camp. Sawyer is the first to spot Jack, and his expression is priceless: a mix of relief -- because he doesn't have to be camp leader anymore -- and disappointment -- because this leader thing was growing on him.

At first, the surprise arrival of Jack, Kate and Sayid spurs hugs all around, but when Sawyer catches sight of Juliet standing down the beach, the mood turns sour ... fast.

"What's she doing here?" Sawyer growls.

It's an excellent question, and it's one Jack tries to answer for the rest of the day. In a true "Survivor" moment, the castaways hold a town meeting while Juliet sits alone on the beach (she's the Richard Hatch of "Lost" -- minus the nakedness and tax evasion). Hurley joins her, partly following orders (he's supposed to keep an eye on her) and partly because he's the island's guest coordinator and dammit, he just can't help being hospitable.

Hurley notes that Juliet wasn't present during last season's dock incident (the one with the poison darts and the burlap sacks and the kidnapping). And Juliet, God love her, has the perfect response.

"I had the day off," she says with a small smile.

Hurley is momentarily assuaged, but the Others' atrocities aren't easily forgotten and he can't resist the urge to dig at Juliet. Hurley says the castaways are a little iffy about Others because one of them -- Evil Ethan -- infiltrated their camp, kidnapped the pretty pregnant girl and tried to kill their C-list rock star.

"We buried him over there," Hurley says, nodding toward a blank patch of sand covered in Vincent's poop.

Juliet doesn't respond.

As night falls, Jack continues to make the case for Juliet. He uses the old "if I trust her, you should trust her" technique, but after three months of this Other business and freaky islands and Jack's occasionally shaky leadership, unchallenged belief in a very flawed doctor just isn't going to cut it.

The mob's mood turns angry when Desmond asks about Locke: Where is he? What happened to him?

Jack can't help snarling. He says Locke went with the Others after he destroyed the submarine that was supposed to take him off this godforsaken island.

A ripple of anger/confusion zips through the crowd. What's that, Jack? Submarine? Explosion? ESCAPE?!

Jack backtracks. He tells the assembled that he made a deal with Ben so he could eventually return with a rescue party.

Sawyer scoffs. The rumbling crowd grows hostile.

Fortunately for Jack, a high-powered stream of blood suddenly shoots from Claire's nose.

You see, Claire was walloped by a three-ton ass truck at the beginning of this episode. Early on, she wakes from a nap looking pale and confused. Initially, she and her fellow castaways think she accidentally sipped from the urine trough or got into a bad stash of mangos, but as the episode progresses, it's clear that Claire is in a world of hurt.

That hurt bubbles over at the town meeting. A river of blood shoots from her nostrils (nice effect) and Charlie summons Dr. Jack. This works to Jack's advantage since he was three seconds from being strung up by his fellow castaways.

As Jack tends to Claire, Juliet appears at the periphery of the camp. She's been staying in the shadows, but Claire's sudden sickness has her concerned. And rightfully so.

Juliet quietly tells Kate she needs to talk to Jack. Kate huffs: Why? Why would Juliet have any interest in Claire? And what does Juliet think she can do to help?

"I did it to her," Juliet says.

WHAT?!

Juliet and Jack quickly confer and it's during this consult we learn something very interesting about this island: it hates pregnant women.

Juliet tells Jack that for the last three years (possibly more), she's seen case after case of "Evil Baby Syndrome" (EBS ... won't you please help?). The women's bodies turn on the babies and treat them like a "foreign invader."

"Every pregnant woman on this island died," Juliet says.

So what's that have to do with Claire? She already had her baby and both mother and child have been fine for weeks. Or so it seems ...

Juliet reveals that during her kidnapping, Claire was injected with a serum (developed by Juliet) meant to protect her during the pregnancy (so that's what Ethan was doing in "Maternity Leave"). Obviously, the serum worked, because Claire delivered Turnip Head and lost her baby weight in record time. But now, a "latent reaction" is turning Claire into a blood fountain and unless Juliet tends to Claire immediately, Jack's sister will become Jack's dead sister. And in a convenient twist, Juliet just happens to know the location of Evil Ethan's secret medicine stash.

Jack doesn't blink. He tells Juliet to get the medicine. (Uh, Jack, she's smokin' and all but don't you think blind faith is a little iffy on this island?)

So Jules runs off to retrieve the case and it must be quite a journey because the sun rises before she reaches a big ol' tree marked with a spidery brand (it resembles the "brand" burned into Juliet's back). Juliet digs around nearby leaves and finds a locked metal case. She spins a combination into the padlock and cracks it open, but just as she's about to make off with the case, two visitors appear from the treeline.

Sheriff Sayid and Sheriff Sawyer are in town.

The unlikely allies have decided that all this Juliet business just needs to slow down. They followed Jules so the three of them could have little talk and sort things out.

Ah-ha! Now we're gonna get some answers! Right? Right?

Nope. Sayid and Sawyer don't realize that Juliet is a 10th Level Jedi (Darth Burke?). She deftly overcomes her adversaries by weaving a tapestry of guilt and confusion that dredges up the tortured (and torturing) pasts of Sayid and Sawyer and mocks their moral hypocrisy.

The trick works. Sayid and Sawyer are speechless (and I think Sawyer cries a little).

"I'm taking that medication back to Claire and you're going to let me, because if she doesn't get it, she's going to die," Juliet says with deadly calm. "And the last thing either of you needs right now is more blood on your hands. These are not the droids you're looking for."

Juliet walks off. She is a BAD ASS.

Juliet returns to camp (eight days later ... but no one mentions the delay) and she and Jack prep Claire for an injection of Juliet's Snake Oil. Charlie initially protests -- after all, Juliet was sorta involved in Claire's kidnapping -- but Jack pulls the "do you trust me?" maneuver and Charlie backs down because he's a feeble-minded former hobbit and Jack is Jack.

Juliet pokes the tip of a needle into Claire's stomach, but now it's Jack's turn to hold up the proceedings. He touches her wrist and looks into her eyes. "If something happens to her, I'm not going to be able to protect you anymore," Jack says. "You'll be on your own."

Juliet doesn't flinch. "I'm already on my own, Jack."

With that, she plunges the needle into Claire's stomach.

Three hours later ...

Claire wakes to a new day, looking dewey fresh and sporting a HyPro glo. Juliet's Magic Juice did the trick and Claire is now right as rain.

It's a big moment because not only does Claire get to live for another few episodes, but Juliet's quick thinking and swift action have opened the door to broader acceptance from the castaways. Jack finds Juliet sitting alone by the shore and presents her with the island's highest honor: a tarp, a blanket and airplane pillows.

He takes a seat next to her and the two share one of those conversations that only takes place on "Lost."

See, if it were me I'd immediately pummel Juliet with questions: Who are you people? Why does the island have its own source of birth control? What's with all the hatches? Why doesn't Ben have any eyelashes? Where'd the Others bugger off to?

Et-cetera, et-cetera, et-cetera.

But Jack doesn't bother with any of that little stuff. He does offhandedly note that his fellow castaways will "eventually need some answers," but Jack, apparently, doesn't much care.

Juliet asks him why that is -- "Why don't I have to explain myself to you?"

And that's when we're treated to another installment of Jack's Wacky Logic:

"You were there," Jack says, all hero-like. "You were standing right next to me when that submarine exploded. I saw it in your eyes. You want to get off this island more than anything else in the world. That makes you one of us."

Juliet smiles softly. The two sit and watch waves and sip on tequila and tonics ... oh wait, that was Ana.

Initially this appears to be the end of the episode, but then something big happens. Something profound happens. Hold on to your hats, this is gonna be a doozy.

In the closing moments of the episode, Juliet cheerfully hangs her new tarp. As she works, the scene intercuts with a flashback sequence.

And this is when we discover that things are not what they seem.

We see Juliet and Ben sitting in Ben's dark apartment. Ben is in his wheelchair and Juliet is wearing the light blue sweater she wore in "Left Behind."

Ben asks Juliet to go over their "plan."

Plan? What the hell?

Juliet lays it all out:

Step 1: She's going to drag Kate into the jungle, handcuff herself to Kate's wrist, then tell Kate that she, too, was gassed by the Others. If Kate catches on to the lie, Juliet must admit to the ruse and claim it's the only way she could gain Kate's trust.

Oh ... my ... god

Step 2: Juliet must go back to the beach with the group. Juliet voices mild apprehension about this part of the plan -- she thinks her status as an Other is going to cause problems.

And this is when we learn just how eeeevill Ben truly is. He says that an "implant" in Claire has been activated and within 48 hours sweet little Claire is going to be sick as a dog. "By the time you get to that camp you'll have a nice big crisis to solve," Ben snickers.

Implant? IMPLANT?

Step 3: When Claire starts to hemorrhage from her eye sockets, Juliet will retrieve medical supplies from a predetermined location (the big tree with the mark on it). She'll then rush in, save the day and earn the castaways' trust.

"Tell Jack that you can save her," Ben says, summing up the plan. "He trusts you."

Juliet grows silent. Her eyes are a 1,000 miles away.

"Are you all right?" Ben asks.

Juliet blinks and looks up. Her placid look reveals nothing.

"I'm fine," she says quietly.

Ben hands her a gas mask. "See you in a week," he says, rolling off.

The flashback sequence ends.

Back on the island, Juliet looks at the castaways and considers them all (Desmond, Charlie, Claire ... and then Jack). Turning away from her new tribe, she stares at the horizon and grabs the last two strings of her tarp.

SNAP

The strings knot together. A wayward fleck of symbolism lands in my eye.

AND THAT'S WHEN IT ENDS! SWEET FRANCIS ON TOAST, IT ENDS!

Honestly, I don't know how to process this so I'm going to go stream-of-consciousness and hope something useful pops up:

  • Is Juliet setting up the castaways or is she setting up Ben? Or, could she be setting up BOTH?
  • Is there anyone alive who has a better poker face than Elizabeth Mitchell? Juliet's expression is so blank (intentionally -- this isn't an acting critique), it's impossible to know her motivation.
  • I'm assuming that Juliet was supposed to leave on the submarine. If this assumption is correct, then the sneaky plan we see Ben and Juliet concoct must have been Ben's Plan B. So how did Ben get Juliet to play along? Does he have another way off the island?
  • How does revenge factor into Juliet's actions? We learn in her backstory (Key Point 2) that she had a relationship with Goodwin. Could a vendetta be in order? Granted, it's a flimsy theory, especially since Goodwin's killer (Ana-Lucia) has been dead for a while and the remaining Tailies are either dispatched (Eko, Libby), absorbed (Cindy), or harmless (Bernard).
  • Ben says he'll see Juliet in a week, so I'm assuming the next seven days of island time are going to comprise the final six episodes of the season. But what's the end game? How does Locke factor in? Will the mysterious Jacob make an appearance?

My brain hurts.

Point 2
Juliet

As backstories go, this was one of the best. Not only did it offer a glimpse into Juliet's make-up, but it also revealed a few island clues.

So here's what we learn about Juliet:

  • The backstory picks up where "Not in Portland" left off. Juliet accepts Mittelos Bioscience's wacky job offer and she and her sister go to a private airport (Herarat Aviation) so Jules can begin her six-month, super-top-secret work with Mittelos. You'll recall that Juliet's sister, Rachel, recently experienced two medical miracles: her cancer went into remission and, with Juliet's help, she was able to get pregnant.

    Juliet has misgivings about the Mittelos job -- the company demands that she have no contact with the outside world during her tenure -- but her two Mittelos contacts, Richard Alpert and Ethan Rom, soothe her fears with the prospect of using her "pregger skills" to make the world a better place. So Juliet pushes her concerns to the back burner and happily trudges forward.

    Of course, in the Other 'verse "trudging forward" requires a big glass of sedatives and a sneaky submarine trip to an undisclosed tropical location. While still in the lobby of Herarat Aviation, Juliet is voluntarily drugged (Ethan and Alpert warn her that the trip to their facility is bumpy). Sometime later she wakes and is startled to see she's strapped to a narrow cot in a small submarine. Ethan immediately appears and untethers her (the straps are for "safety") and Juliet is then invited to go above-deck and see her new home.

    And this is when Juliet meets Ben. The snide little man greets her on the dock. "I'm really looking forward to working with you," Ben says. Look carefully and you can see a hidden set of vertical eyelids snap across his buggy eyes.

  • Six months later, Juliet's eager attitude has been replaced with soul-crushing failure. She's lost yet another pregnant patient and, despite support from her Other comrades (including Goodwin and Ethan), she simply can't continue. Sometime later, Ben meets Juliet on wind-swept rocks (it's the same spot where Desmond accidentally killed Kelvin) and that's when the honeymoon officially ends.

    Juliet says she needs to go home, but Ben -- donning his svengali top hat -- says that her sister's cancer has returned and there's no way Rachel or her unborn child are going to survive.

    Ahh, but there's a glimmer of hope: Ben says that cancer doesn't exist on the island, and if Juliet chooses to stay and continue her work, Ben will "cure" Rachel.

  • Juliet stays and three years later she's allowed herself to be absorbed into the Others' world. She and Goodwin are in a relationship (Goodwin = overachiever), but Juliet's bubble of contentment soon pops. Ben's back has been bothering him, and after running tests and performing x-rays Juliet discovers that the island's magic cancer skills are in disrepair. A big fat tumor is growing on Ben's spine.

    Juliet gives Ben the bad news, but her concern for Ben is trumped by her anger and disappointment. She believes that the tumor on Ben's spine proves that Ben was lying to her about the island's cancer-curing abilities. And if Ben lied about the cancer cure, then he also lied about Rachel being saved.

    Juliet is furious. She slaps a glass of water from Ben's hand and flambes Ben for lying. Her anger turns to tears and she pleads with Ben to let her go home.

    He pauses, snares a fly with his tongue, then flatly denies her request.

  • But here's a twist: Ben claims he didn't lie. Rachel was cured, and he can prove it.

    The timeline flashes forward to the moments when Oceanic 815 ripped apart over the island (we saw this scene play out in "A Tale of Two Cities"). As Ethan and Goodwin dart off to infiltrate the castaway groups, Ben asks Juliet to accompany him to the Flame Station. He wants to show her something.

    The pair visit Crazy Mikhail at the Flame and, once inside, we get a first-hand look at how the Others gather intelligence. At this point the satellite system was still working, so Mikhail is perched in front of six television sets, each of which is broadcasting reports about the disappearance of Oceanic 815.

    But Ben wants to watch something else: it's a new reality show titled "What's Up With Rachel."

    Richard Alpert is (supposedly) in Miami, so Ben uses the satellite to communicate with him (we never actually see or hear Alpert). One of the video screens cuts in and we see a copy of a September 22, 2004 Miami newspaper lying on a park bench. The shaky camera then swings over to a nearby playground, and that's when Juliet absolutely loses it.

    Rachel and her young son ("Julian," natch) are cavorting around the swings. Rachel's flowing hair has filled back in and Julian appears to be a rugged and healthy two year old.

    Ben cuts the feed and tells Richard to get back to the island as soon as he can.

    "I'm not a liar Juliet," he says with disdain. Now that Ben has Juliet on the hook, he demands that she find more mothers so she can continue her research.

    "Who knows, maybe there's even one on that plane," Ben snivels.

Juliet's backstory also reveals a number of island tidbits:

  • We get a good look at the Others' submarine. It looks like it can hold four or five passengers.
  • When Oceanic 815 first crashes, Ben instructs Mikhail to get full dossiers on all of the passengers. Now, anyone who's used Google knows you can easily acquire basic biographical stats, but there are limits to public information. The Others would need access to secure databases to get the secret details they eventually find (e.g. How could Juliet possibly know that Sawyer killed a man in Sydney?). So, do they have a WOPR stashed in the Flame's basement, or is Mikhail a super-hacker with Frohike-esque kung-fu?
  • Juliet appears to have a passing knowledge of Jacob. Ben mentions "He Who Shall Not be Seen" during their beach argument and the name appears to trigger a change in Juliet's attitude. Could she have been subjected to the same psych experiments Karl endured in "Not in Portland"?
  • Add another corporate entity to the watchlist: Herarat Aviation. I'm sure it's got some sort of connection to Hanso or Widmore, but don't bother visiting www.herarataviation.com. The domain is parked at GoDaddy, which is a giveaway since we all know Network Solutions is the preferred domain provider for secret organizations.
Point 3
Sun Oh, crap.

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "Well, if it ain't three men and a baby ... I counted Hugo twice." Sawyer to Hurley and Charlie, who are tending to Aaron.
  • The Others appear to have a home base located in the U.S. Does Richard Alpert manage this Other bureau?
  • The Others' pregnancy issue reminds me of "Children of Men" (awesome movie, by the way). Just like the film (and the novel), it seems that the Others' "Evil Baby Syndrome" materialized without explanation at some recent point in the past. Ben claims to have been born on the island, which means his mother was able to bring him to term. Of course, Ben might be lying about that whole "born on the island" thing.
  • Speaking of island mothers ... whatever happened to the elegant older woman who appeared briefly in the book scene of "A Tale of Two Cities"? She doesn't appear to have an exoskeleton, so I doubt she's Ben's mom. So who is she? Where is she?
  • How does Rousseau fit into all this? Was the "Evil Baby Syndrome" in effect when she shipwrecked 16 years ago? If so, wouldn't the Others be particularly interested in her? Might they have used some sort of bioweapon (i.e. the "sickness") to eliminate her fellow shipmates so they could steal her baby?
  • How did meek Dr. Burke turn into Juliet Burke: Ass Kicker? In Juliet's pre-island existence she's a kindred spirit to Pam Beesly, but on the island she's a ninja-Jedi with moxie to spare. How'd that happen?
  • In his conspiratorial conversation with Juliet, Ben says that "Pryce" will hide the medical supplies. I'm assuming "Pryce" is Ryan Pryce, the Pickett-like guard who watched over Sayid in "The Man from Tallahassee."
  • Hugo Cup Update: Thanks to all who voted for the Lost Blog in the Hugo Cup. The first round of voting closed on Sunday (4/9) and a "Lost" panel will now sort through the nominees. Finalists will be announced April 22 and folks can once again vote for their favorites. The winner will be crowned on April 30. I was really touched by all the wonderful comments and I appreciate you guys taking the time to cast your votes!

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Catch-22" -- Desmond's "future flashes" inspire a jungle trek that could prove problematic for Charlie. Airs Wednesday, April 18, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

holy cow am i first?

hahaha

#1. Posted by: lost at work at April 12, 2007 11:28 AM

Awesome episode. But it's not up on ABC.com for me to watch again.

#2. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at April 12, 2007 11:29 AM

Can someone say 1st?

#3. Posted by: Ian at April 12, 2007 11:29 AM

holy cow am i first?

hahaha

#4. Posted by: lost at work at April 12, 2007 11:29 AM

The show is finally as good as your reviews.

#5. Posted by: scott at April 12, 2007 11:30 AM

So is Juliet setting up the Losties, or is she setting up Ben?

Which raises another question: is Ben setting up Locke, or vice versa?

#6. Posted by: LockeBox at April 12, 2007 11:39 AM

So what is their plan, why is Juliet there?

I think she's either there to divide the camp, cause them all to turn on Jack, who’s the leader or she’s there to keep an eye on Kate who might have conceived when she did the nasty with Sawyer and sun who conceived off the island. The problem was not having babies on the island it was conceiving on the island, so I think she will be experimenting on them both. She still has to hold up her end of the deal with Jacob. (Curing the island women in exchange for saving her sister) She goes off to figure out the cure to the only place that has pregnant women or at least women who have not been exposed long enough to whatever is causing this and Ben goes to work out the Locke father son drama.

OR I could be wrong (it has happened before) and she's out for herself and not necessarily following Ben’s plan. Maybe she has her own plan we don’t know about yet. We haven’t seen what happened right after the sub “blew” up. How could she have gotten over that her chance to go home had blown up their faces so fast? I think we’re missing important info there.

OR she will become too close to the Losties and can’t go through with whatever her mission is. They gave her a tarp for god’s sake – if that doesn’t warm your cold little other heart, I don’t know what will.

This pregnant-women-dying thing would also explain Ben's desire to keep Alex and Carl apart. In the scene where Juliet gets the X-rays back, she says that Carl helped her develop them, so he was on good turns with them, what could have made them put him in a cage?? Maybe Ben caught his daughter getting a little too close to Carl?

My favorite scene? When Juliet goes buck-wild on Ben about the X-rays – he looks totally scared for the first time ever (Not counting when he was fake scared as Henry Gale) I was just waiting for Juliet to punch him in his buggy face.

Also Mittelos = Lost Time

#7. Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 11:40 AM


WHAT I SAW TONIGHT (11:30 EST - 4/11/07)

Well, what can you say . . . ? . . .

I must admit, I have been fairly smitten with Juliet since her first appearance, doing her sad/happy/sad/happy swaying dance before the mirror in the book club episode. Even with all the strange turn of events I was sure she was a poor damsel in distress.

And of course, when that flashback episode with her sister - and that strange headhunter with the heavy eyeliner - and sneaky Ethan with the evil smile showed up, I was firmly convinced that surely she was being led down the primrose path and we will all discover eventually, that she is absolutely as white as the driven snow . . . tho slightly misled in her allegiances.

And then last week, as she “saves” Kate with hair-raising efficiency before the dreaded “Smokey” - literally staring it down with clear, cold, blue-icey eyes, I was more determined to believe that here was the girl of our dreams . . . the one link to the “others” who would turn away from the evil doers and lead our small band of good guys and gals to the promised land . . . one way or another . . .

And tonight, as the episode progressed, we saw our poor, poor Juliet

Saying a poignant tearful farewell to her sister,
Trucked in secret to the foundation fancy headquarters,
Slick-talked again by our resident eyeliner guy,
Seduced into unconsciousness,
Transported by clandestine means to an unknown destination,

Forced to crawl across a submarine deck in a tight skirt
and Ruched d’Orsay stiletto pumps, no doubt being taped
for future episodes of the island “What Not to Wear” Series,

Disappointed time after time with her medical insufficiency,
Saddened month after month with dying patients,
Worried sick about her sister,
Kept against her will on this evil island,
Having to film at least one scene naked and mud-free.
(Poor poor Juliet -Another terrible indignity forced upon her.)

Constantly suffering at the cold hearted decisions of Evil Ben,
Her tearful requests to go home repeatedly rejected,
Personal dilemma piled upon soul-crushing dilemma . .
Could “Jacob” REALLY heal her sister so far away?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
Could Norstorm’s ship Ferragamos to Never-never-land?

And then, at last:

Finding redemption in the eyes of Jack,
Verbally smacking down Sayid not once, but twice,
Giving a bravado performance in the jungle against the “righteous ones”,
And in the nick of time,
Against all odds,
Being the NOBLE PERSON my heart tells me she is,
Magnificent Juliet saves Claire from CERTAIN DEATH!!!
On the “Heroine Nobility Scale” It just doesn’t get any better than this!!!!

And finally, with a vote of 26 to 17, with 6 abstentions,
she wins over the hearts of our beach community who
reward her with the extra low-rent lean-too normally kept as
a possible guest house for visiting dignitaries
to lay her sweet, sweet head in peaceful slumber.

O boy, O boy. She really is GOOD JULIET!
My heart was bursting with merciful love toward our little “other orphan”.
I felt so good . . being so right . . .

And then in an instant,
she turned into
SUPER JUDAS COLD-HEARTED TRAITOR BITCH GODDESS.


My dreams were smashed.

Jack. We need to talk.


#8. Posted by: davidrh at April 12, 2007 11:43 AM

Yes, the twist at the end was jaw-dropping...if by jaw-dropping you mean completely predictable.

#9. Posted by: Phil at April 12, 2007 11:49 AM

I've changed my mind about Juliet. As much as I wanted her to be truly evil, I now believe that she isn't so much evil as she is single-minded about going home and seeing her sister and niece. She played Jack extraordinarily well from Day One (working Sawyer and Kate like dogs to weaken their spirit and hence facilitating their jail cell romance and making sure Jack catches their hook-up like a teen-ager on the internet when his parents aren't home), coordinated her little adventure with Kate and the subsequent "saving" of Claire to garner trust with our castaways to find out who killed Ethan. And now that she knows who killed Ethan (thank you very much Hurley), Charlie's life ain't worth a hollowed out Virgin Mary statue. Anybody know if Dominic Monaghan has a guest shot scheduled on Regis and Kelly?

Wait a sec…just had a thought…did Juliet give the cancer to Ben? She out-maneuvered Ben…she's evil again! YAY!!

I thought it was extremely telling that the Flame station was functioning perfectly fine just weeks before Locke blew it up. Maybe that's why Locke blew it up…

And now for my working theory of the week…Ben told Locke to blow up the sub (and the Flame station?). Or at least make it look like he blew up the sub. In Other words, Ben told Locke, "If you wanna stay on this here island, get rid of the only thing(s) that can take you away." Locke's going away with the Others was his reward (from Ben) for Mission Accomplished.

Ouch! Just had another thought…with so many cons going on at the same time, I'm starting to get the feeling that there is a long con going on here. Anybody see Henry Gondorff and Johnny Hooker? Is that Ragtime I hear in the background?

#10. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 12, 2007 11:50 AM

Oh my...what a wonderful episode that was. The most behind the scenes look at the Others that we've ever gotten.

And for 57 minutes, we were told why Juliet was good, why she should be trusted, why she had good reasons to sway to the Losties side.

But then, just like that, with no warning at all...BANG. The writers burst our world with 90 seconds of "WTF is going on."

Oh yes...that Juliet...she's a crafty one isn't she? However, I think she'll be okay....I just have this feeling. And yet...I can't stop thinking of the time Sawyer told us all how dangerous she was...how she'd kill in an instant.

I can't believe I have to wait another week.

As always..thanks Mac!

#11. Posted by: petew at April 12, 2007 11:51 AM

Wow, Mac this episode was almost too much info to process. I couldn't sleep and it has caused me to post a comment for the first time. Your review is always entertaining and insightful and I look forward to it almost as much as the show. Thanks

#12. Posted by: Sheila at April 12, 2007 11:55 AM

Great commentary, Mac- as always, you over-whelm me.
Oh mymymy! Although, I could kind of see the double agent twist coming, it still hit me like a ton of bricks.
I noticed that was that Juliette seemed (in her conv. w/ Ben) to be really looking forward to infiltrating the losties' camp. EEEVIL
As well, isn't it odd that both Sawyer AND Sayid backed down like dogs w/ their tails tucked away?
And I guess my last question is, after bringing back an Other, and admitting that he was almost off the island (ie escaping, alone), why would anyone take Jack's word for anything?

#13. Posted by: eeeviljuliette at April 12, 2007 12:00 PM

Did anyone else thing that the woman we see die on the table could have been Ben's wife? Juliet seemed almost scared when she died. And the conversation between Ben and Juliet on the rocks - he is talking about how it is not Juliet's fault because the woman wanted to get pregnant...just a crazy theory.

#14. Posted by: ac at April 12, 2007 12:02 PM

Oh crap is right...does this mean that the Sun is setting?

#15. Posted by: J-Rod at April 12, 2007 12:02 PM

Note in the latter beach scenes the random, generic lostie-extras mixed in with the main cast.

Are these people the future Nikki & Paulo?

Is the blondish dude Neil the Frogurt Guy?

#16. Posted by: Guv at April 12, 2007 12:02 PM

@Mac: You mentioned the elegant old lady. Her name was "Amelia". Somewhere else, it was suggested that she might be identical with "Amelia Earhart", the pilot that disappeared in 1937 trying to fly across the Pacific. That could be true, as the name of the Mittelos airport "Herarat" is an anagram of "Earhart". Of course, she would have to be more than 100 years by now...the island´s healing power? Time running in a different way? Does it have to do with the Hanso Foundation´s Life Extension Project? Hmmmmm.

#17. Posted by: John K at April 12, 2007 12:04 PM

Well, I saw the Jules=mole twist coming from last week, but I thought it was nicely executed, anyway. The Jules-as-Jedi-master theme ("these are not the droids you are looking for") is brilliant, Mac. Jules seems capable of superhuman feats, explainable by little short of Jedi power. Though it was nice to see the tense look on her face as she turned her back on Sawyer and Sayid. We were at least allowed a glimpse at her being not 100% sure her Jedi mind trick had worked.

I *do* want to know how she (or anyone) knew that Sawyer killed a man the day before he got on the plane. One-eyed Mike didn't pick that one up off the broadband scope. As far as we know, no one except Sawyer knows what he did. Short of telepathy, it's hard to figure how Jedi Jules knew.

#18. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 12, 2007 12:05 PM

Haven't finished always.. but i just thought of something.

Druggin Juliett on the sub made me think of this.. what if the island is not that far from a main land. What if the sub trip is fake like so many other things that the Others do? They have everyone thinking there is no other way off the island but maybe there is. Anyway just a thought.

#19. Posted by: Melissa at April 12, 2007 12:06 PM

what was once a failed season and a series on the brink, has now rejoined the rank of classic

great review buddy

#20. Posted by: urottenkid at April 12, 2007 12:11 PM

Interesting pickup on the anagram for Hararat Aviation. My first reaction was that it was evocative of "Ararat" the mountain that Noah's Ark is said to have landed on. Could be either/both symbolism was intended. Could just be a Jedi Mind Trick.

#21. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 12, 2007 12:11 PM

I found Alpert's comment about time passing on the island interesting: "Six months may seem long but you'll be amazed how quickly time passes here."
Another hint at the rate of time passage or just a shout out to the conspiracy theorists?

#22. Posted by: Trinity at April 12, 2007 12:14 PM

Only 5 episodes left already? Aieee!! :)

#23. Posted by: The Duf at April 12, 2007 12:18 PM

@Mac

>Ben says he'll see Juliet in a week, so I'm assuming the next seven days of island time are going to comprise the final six episodes of the season.

But haven't we already seen several of those days pass by?

1) He's planning with her apparently at night. The next day she implements the plan, Kate gets gassed, they 'wake up' together - maybe same day maybe next, but they spend a night in the jungle being Xeroxed by Smokey [end day 1]

2) They take off for the beach and spend a night en route [end day two]

3) They arrive at the beach, Clair gets sick, sometime that night Juliet sets off for the medicine in the dark [End day three]

4) Retrieves the medicine, cures Clair, still daylight. Seems to me she's in day four of the week. Or maybe five if Kate slept through a night after the gassing.

#24. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 12, 2007 12:19 PM

I loved all the little details in this week's ep. Stuff like Sawyer making a point of volunteering to fetch Claire's asprin, the meaningful looks in Sun's direction at the mention of the dangers of pregnancy, etc. Lots of little moments to evoke connections from past eps to this one, and bring a sorely needed sense of continuity.

#25. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 12, 2007 12:19 PM

Great catch on the anagram for Hararat (Earhart). All I could come up with was "a threat".

I think you might be on to something there, although what that might be I have no idea.

I'm just so happy that Juliet is evil.

#26. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 12, 2007 12:20 PM

But that doesn't quite work...

#27. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 12, 2007 12:22 PM

So the island has magical medical properties except for Ben. Is it because he was born on the island?
Furthermore, these healing properties can be exported as Juliet's sister clearly has not been on the island. Unless, Ben willed her there using his magic wish box.
So, we have a bunch of people living in Otherville, complete with pretty houses, book clubs and football games. Perhaps Otherville is a medical commune made up of former terminally ill patients. All is complete except the women cannot go to term and deliver a living baby. That would explain the Other's fascination with kidnapping children. Now how this ties into the Dharma initiative and the whole electromagnetic thing, well ....

#28. Posted by: gables79 at April 12, 2007 12:22 PM

Absolutely LOVED the reverse at the end - OMG! Who is she really setting up is right!

@mac Sun: Oh, crap. LMAO!

@davidrh LOL - I love your renditions as well.

I also noticed the reference to Carl "developing the xrays" and wondered about his subsequent imprisonment and brainwashing. I wondered if, because he saw Ben's tumor, he lost faith in the Other's philosophy/Jacob/etc so he had to be reprogrammed? Of course, it could also have to do with Alex.

Now, Alex, why didn't the EBS get her and Rousseau? Didn't Rousseau say she gave birth shortly (a month or so) after arriving on the island. But the EBS didn't turn her body against the baby. And I don't think they said the island prevented conception - just that the mother's all died during pregnancy as the body treated the baby as a "foreign invader".

#29. Posted by: Kristine at April 12, 2007 12:22 PM

@Ransom - nice, but there's only one 'T'

#30. Posted by: The Duf at April 12, 2007 12:25 PM

@Trinity: The aspect of this episode that the time flow theorists have to address is the apparently correct continuity between the passage of island time and real world time in the Jules backstory. Benry is at pains to point out to Jules that the date on the newspaper is the same one as by island reckoning -- "this is live" he says, and the camera responds to his commands in real time. How would that be possible if there were a time discontinuity for the island? The kid looks as old as he should, assuming time flows at the same rate on and off island. One-eyed Mike is watching live coverage of the missing Oceanic flight from world news broadcasts. Again, how would that be possible if there were a time discontinutity affecting the island? The time flow theorists have their work cut out for them, explaining away the details of this episode that only work if time on and off the island is the same.

#31. Posted by: Deep Cover at April 12, 2007 12:25 PM

Awesome episode, great review! One question on my mind...

Does anyone else think that Ben lied about the fact that Juliette's sisters cancer had come back so that he could use 'curing' it as a way of gaining her trust and keeping her on the island?

#32. Posted by: Paul at April 12, 2007 12:25 PM

Oh, I almost forgot:

I thought Ethan's off-hand(?) comment to Juliet in the airport "you'll be surprised how fast time flies" [at the secret facility] was interesting. Maybe even provocative given our discussions on time with this series...

Also, Jack's comment to Juliet, "They're good people. Sometime, they're going to need some answers." immediately made me think the writers were talking about us!

#33. Posted by: Kristine at April 12, 2007 12:26 PM

Mac - Point #3 ... HI-LAR-I-OUS!! LOL. (But I'm worried about Sun, too).

That submarine ride must be a doozy if Juliet needs tranquilizers in order to journey to the island! Seriously ... what's up with that?? Did she really travel via submarine? Like Ben said in a previous episode, the sub gives the illusion that the Others can leave. Is it just an illusion? Can they really leave? And more importantly, how do they get to the island, if not by sub? Also, it appears as if Richard (the guy with the fabulous dark eyelashes) can come and go from the island. We have seen him off-island and also at the Others compound.

So the Others can conceive children ... just not carry them full term. Apparently the island effects the womb. But Ben says he's lived on the island his whole life -- but was he BORN there?? Also, why is Rousseau still alive if she gave birth to Alex on the island??

Jack .... what's UP ??? So, at the end of the episode I felt so bad for him. He has been duped by Juliet. He has rejected Kate. His leadership is on tenuous ground due to his semi-defection to the Others. He told Kate last night that he just "kept his head down" and did what he was told so he could get off the island. Wow. Jack has confused me this season. It feels like he's broken. And now, it is obvious that the writers have set him up to be betrayed by Juliet. I certainly hope Jack is smarter than he appears right now.

I almost felt bad for Ethan last night. Although, I also do not believe the whole story has been told. According to last night's show, Ethan was just trying to save Claire's life in Season One when he injected her. Then, according to Juliet's version of the tale, Ethan "improvised" the kidnapping. Hmmmm. Something smells rotten there. Why was Ethan so evil and "pumped up" like he was Super-Ethan?

If Ethan was planted in the camp *only* to take blood samples and administer medicine to Claire, then that leaves out the whole LIST THING.

So, the Tailies were infiltrated by Goodwin, who made lists. Many of their people were kidnapped, including children. But then there's the Beachies -- infiltrated by Ethan whose only mission, it seems, was to administer medicine to Claire. What about the lists? Only Walt was kidnapped, out of the entire 40-something bunch of Beachies. There was mention of Jack not being on Jacob's list. And Ben says he came for Locke. But ... why were Tailies terrorized but not Beachies?

#34. Posted by: Matt-DC at April 12, 2007 12:29 PM

Juliet didn't say they couldn't conceive, just that something went wrong during conception. That's way she wanted to take one of the women off the island. Rousseau conceived off the island, so EBS didn't affect her.

EBS - Tell Someone.

#35. Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 12:29 PM

@DeepCover: I think you're clearly right about island time being the same as mainland time, and that those scenes were intentionally shot to quash timeline theories.

On the other hand, "Herarat Aviation" = "Earth: A Variation" so maybe time is the same but it's an alternate wormhole universe?

Just kidding, I'm with the Earhart crowd.

#36. Posted by: LockeBox at April 12, 2007 12:31 PM

@Paul
I agree that Ben may have lied about Juliet's sister to keep her on the island. Perhaps an early example of his threaten-what-they-care-about-most strategy for getting people to do what he wants.

#37. Posted by: ct at April 12, 2007 12:32 PM

ive heard people comment and say this is all someones dream. to many details to be a dream but what about.......someones time in a comma...say after the crash

#38. Posted by: abigerbang at April 12, 2007 12:32 PM

I thought this was a so-so epi until the last three minutes. I should have predicted it, but I did not.
We have been on island now for almost three months. When did Sun take the pregnancy test? I thought it was after the tailies joined the middies. (The fronties are all dead) It is my understanding that she conceived while on island, not before. I say Jin is the father and not the bald guy, IMHO.
I don't know what Juliette's plan is, but I do not think she is entirely evil, just focused on what she wants....to go home. The mighty Jack says he was going to help them after he got home, are you kiddin' me? They should string Jack up as well. Peace out.

#39. Posted by: onelostdude at April 12, 2007 12:37 PM

Another thing, I think Jacob doesn't even exist. I think all the Others are put threw that brainwashing session we saw Karl put though. They make them all believe that their is a higher power - Big Brother style. Juliet looked scared and didn't even question it when Ben said Jacob would cure her sisters cancer - Wouldn't you ask how he can cure cancer or something? She just took it on faith and didn't ask about it again until she got the x-rays 3 years later! That's some mighty brainwashing!

#40. Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 12:41 PM

Number 25 in, beat that people :-)

#41. Posted by: Gerard at April 12, 2007 12:44 PM

Has anyone here read Arthur Clarke's Childhood's End? There seems to be parallels.

#42. Posted by: Loz at April 12, 2007 12:47 PM

Mac - GREAT REVIEW! Episode was great in terms of revelations and all that.

BTW, WTH is up with the giant foot Sayid found at last season's finale? Are we ever visiting that again? My take is that it has to do something with the original inhabitants of the Island, of which Ben is a descendant.

Also, are we ever getting a glimpse of the REAL Henry Gale?

Finally, @Sheila, yes I do agree... Lost is not complete without Mac's reviews...

#43. Posted by: DanielLost at April 12, 2007 12:47 PM

Mac, your reviews are the highlight of my week, even though the program does not air till sundays over here in the uk. I LOVE LOST & I LOVE MAC

#44. Posted by: Angela UK at April 12, 2007 12:50 PM

Two questions -

1. Was Juliet the woman who threw the bomb at the raft in season 1?
2. Do you think the producers had Juliet in mind from the beginning? Considering Ben/Gale was only supposed to do 3 episodes and is now a main character (I mean, unless the producers have ESP, how could they possibly have planned that from the beginning like they like to claim?)

#45. Posted by: Sam at April 12, 2007 12:51 PM

@deep cover: good point on the time continuity

#46. Posted by: Kristine at April 12, 2007 12:51 PM

Thought about it some more, and this whole episode was only pretending to reveal more information. It focused on the infertility problem but gave no insight into what the Others are doing there in the first place.

Juliet is brought in to help not because she is a "good" person but because she has a critical skill.

Assuming Ben is telling the truth whenever he explicitly says he's not lying, then there is a Jacob somewhere off the island who can cure cancer but can't cure the reproductive problem. And the island must be *so* special that Jacob would rather keep the island a secret then reveal the cure for cancer.

Interesting also that we never see the sub move. Also, did it look like it popped up in a lake, or just a cove? They never quite show the full 360, but there are trees in the background of every dock shot, never open water.

The ep felt satisfying at first but was actually kind of junk-foody.

#47. Posted by: LockeBox at April 12, 2007 12:51 PM

The producers have planned out 4 seasons, and have stated that they have proof in "Adam and Eve" As they go along they would probably have better ideas than they had in the beginning.

Juliet wasn't the woman who through the molotov at the raft.

#48. Posted by: sky at April 12, 2007 12:54 PM

We have never seen the sub move but we know that it does work because of how the Others are able to magically board the sailboat.

#49. Posted by: ac at April 12, 2007 12:56 PM

Right, I forgot "the sub is back" after the sailboat raid.

#50. Posted by: LockeBox at April 12, 2007 12:58 PM

I took Herarat for exactly what it says (sans the poor grammar). It was foreshadowing that Juliet was a rat! We were being told from the beginning of the episode that Juliet was infiltrating the Losties camp for an alterior motive.

#51. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 12:58 PM

Some tremendous acting from the ex-Borg Queen in this episode.

Also, I love the bit where Ben exasperatedly reminded Mikhail not to shoot him.

#52. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 12:59 PM

oh yea in the scene where sayid and sawyer confront julliet did any body recognize the symbol in the tree above her head that was shown twice it looked like a big * astreck circle carved in the tree my wife pointed it out to me first and luckly it was shown again briefly or i may not have believed her it was definatly placed there and out of character

#53. Posted by: abigerbang at April 12, 2007 1:09 PM

@ Sam - I always wondered about Benry and how he could have always been intended if he was only supposed to be for a few episodes. BUT, I believe the writers said that Michael Emerson was only supposed to be in up to 6 episodes, but I don't *think* they said anything about the character. My guess is that Michael Emerson was this supposed Henry Gale guy (who was an Other but not Ben, THE Other) but then was so phenomenial, they improvised and made him turn out to be the Ben of Season 3. Maybe they would have been 2 different characters at first, but the actor was so great they combined they so he could be a regular.

Also, @ Deep Cover - you're so right about the time issue. Good job!

#54. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 1:15 PM

*******I DON'T THINK THIS IS A SPOILER BUT I'M PUTTING A SPOILER WARNING HERE ANYWAY****

Apropos of exactly nothing, but Kiele Sanchez (Nikki) is credited in IMDb with appearing in the last five episodes for this season. Maybe Victoria's Secrets bras come with inflatable air pockets...

No sign of Paolo, but then again, I wasn't exactly looking...

****END PSEUDO-SPOILER WARNING****

#55. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 12, 2007 1:17 PM

I'm just not ready to see Jules as totally evil. I think that Ben, being the master of manipulation that he is, has sent her into the camp to finish her research and make Sun their new "control" subject. How do they know Sun is pregnant? Well, how the heck do they know all of this other stuff!? But i think Ben has promised her something else, to get her to do his evil bidding.


I also really want to know how she went from meek, verbally abused, brilliant fertility scientist, to kick-ass, pook stick swingin, Jedi mind trick usin, second in controll master manipulator!!? She is Ben's very own "Number One". They must teach classes in Bensylvannia on "How to Lie Effectively, and Get What You Want From People With A Calm Exterior". I love her character!! I love it when she kicks ass deffensively and verbally!

#56. Posted by: karen at April 12, 2007 1:20 PM

Good calls on the various possible anagrams ...

Here's one that occurred to me after seeing the satisfied look on Juliet's face in her bedroom scene with Goodwin:

Goodwin = I Go Down

#57. Posted by: ealgumby at April 12, 2007 1:33 PM

Another good episode.

Thought #1:

Juliet is working for Juliet.

But I think she is in the middle of a multi-step process to go home, thanks to Locke. The only thing she cares about is her sister. And we all know that Ben knows how to prey on what people care about the most. So he promised to send Juliet home ON THE SUB.

Oops, way to go John. No more sub.
(as Ben smiles to himself)

So when Juliet asks to go home another way, Ben says, "uh no, I said you could take the sub home, that was what I promised." So now she is in the next phase of "earning her ticket home."

And this phase is: Prepare the Survivors for "The Invasion." They are running out of women to impregnate and they need some fresh supplies. They have the docs, they just need the subjects. But instead of kidnapping more, which would lead to gangs of Survivors coming after them since they know where they live, they have to take them by force, all at once.

Which mean, there are more Survivors than Others. Maybe?

Or, they just want to make sure they still rule the island, so remove, imprison, or just vote out the Survivors.


Thought #2:

There is no Jacob. Even Ben is not in on this ruse. Jacob is a caricature of what Dharma wanted for it's society. And if Jacob is real, Jacob may not even be a person, it may be a group or a faction or a philosophy.


Thought #3:

Good or bad, evil or sympathetic, mud- dirty or clean, Juliet is Ms. LOST Island!


Thought #4:

Will the invading Others use Locke for information and then as a tool to gain access to the Survivors? Are they making him feel that he is there Obi-Locke just to lead him to a false sense of leadership when they have other plans in mind?


Thought #5: (future prediciton)

When the Others finally invade Survivor camp in the last few episodes, Desmond's old girlfriend will arrive on the beach with her "Desmond Hunting Party" and cause a three-way standoff.

Just a few random thoughts. Great blog.
Cya

#58. Posted by: David at April 12, 2007 1:36 PM

Regarding time on-island and off-island, it has been heavily implied that they travel through a wormhole, and wormholes connect not just space, but SPACETIME.

It could be that time moves more quickly on the island, but the wormhole is effectively a two-way time machine that perfectly matches on-island time and off-island time. So people on the island THINK that it's 2004, but it's really something like 2104.

Maybe that's why Ben is so determined to keep people on the island, because he's already seen the future through communications at The Flame, and he knows that only certain people make it off the island. Or maybe he's trying to change the future?

#59. Posted by: Dan at April 12, 2007 1:38 PM

The Tree Symbol = The symbol for the planet Ummo

http://tinyurl.com/3cx9l7

#60. Posted by: Dolomite 76 at April 12, 2007 1:38 PM

@Paul:

I thought the same thing as soon as Ben pulled out those files about Juliet's sister. She didn't really have cancer, and her pregnancy was going along fine. But Ben needed a way to keep Juliet on the island without actually telling her there was no way in hell he was letting her go. So he comes up with some fake paperwork to keep Juliet on the island, where she'll have no way of knowing how her sister is, and will have no choice other than to trust what Ben is telling her. Then two+ years later when Juliet again expresses her desire to leave the island (more than likely thinking her sister has already died), "Oh, by the way, your sister was cured of her cancer and had the baby with no complications whatsoever. I kept my promise. Now keep yours and finish what you're here to do." We all know that Ben is the master-manipulater, so I believe that is the case here.

Oh, and I loved the dialog between Rachel and Alpert when she dropped off Juliet:

Rachel: "Try to bring her back in one piece..."
Alpert: "Well, we'll do our best..."

Just this short dialog exchange foreshadowed that Rachel probably would never see her sister again...and, of course, Alpert knew that.

As for island babies, it seems to me, as others have said, that women cannot get pregnant and carry to term on the island. Claire was just about to term when she arrived on the island, and Juliet said she believed that the problem happened during conception. If the child was not conceived on the island, then they would probably be fine (Aaron and Alex are both proof of this). Now, if Sun is newly-pregnant with Jin's child, things do not bode well for her. If she if pregnant with her lover's child, then she'll probably be fine, as she would have conceived off the island. A thought though -- if it IS in fact Jin's child, why would the island heal of him of his sterility if it is somehow trying to keep babies from being born on the island? And if Ben was actually conceived AND born on the island, that may explain why he is not able to be healed by the island -- he unwillingly has broken the rules of nature on the island, and therefore the island is punishing him for it, or indifferent to him because of it.

#61. Posted by: Stocky at April 12, 2007 1:39 PM

**I think Sun will be just fine**
(medically speaking)

My wife pointed out the fact that Juliet believes that the pregnancy problem occurrs at "conception". Kate may be the only one truly in trouble if it happens that Sun concieved off the island, as did Claire and Rousseau.

#62. Posted by: J-Rod at April 12, 2007 1:43 PM

I was kind of disappointed when the 'answers' teaser came to an abrupt end when Jack interfered. And I have a feeling that Jack's character is shown a weak one recently because Mathew Fox wants to leave the show. Castaways will soon find about Juliet and turn on Jack.

Last week, I posted a comment saying that Juliet is a Trojan horse and that’s EXACTLY it turns out to be! When the siege of Troy for 10 years didn't work, Greeks devised an evil plan to build a huge wooden horse and filled it with their soldiers. They burnt their camps and appeared to leave in a hurry. A Greek spy convinced Trojans that the wooden horse is a gift and take it inside their city. Trojans took the horse inside the city walls and celebrated by drinking. In the night, soldiers came out of the Horse and opened the city doors for the returning ships and massacred Trojans! Don’t you see a big similarity in the story line here?

If the Island is the Cancer cure, how come Rachel is not in the island? Or is she?

Are Ben & other 'Others' cancer survivors cured of their cancer by the miraculous powers of the island? Is that why Juliet bought Ben’s argument that no one in the island have cancer?

#63. Posted by: aj at April 12, 2007 1:44 PM

@Dan: I haven't seen one blue police box so i don't believe the space-time theory! :)

#64. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 12, 2007 1:50 PM

I was wondering..if Richard Alpert was in Miami and Ben told him to get back to the island asap, could he have brought Locke's dad with him?

This epi explians why they need to take all the kids...they pro-create.

I think Jules' only motivation is to get back to her sister, that is the only thing she cares about. I think that is way she is being manipulative

#65. Posted by: Lostsplorer at April 12, 2007 1:55 PM

I was wondering..if Richard Alpert was in Miami and Ben told him to get back to the island asap, could he have brought Locke's dad with him?

This epi explians why they need to take all the kids...they pro-create.

I think Jules' only motivation is to get back to her sister, that is the only thing she cares about. I think that is way she is being manipulative

#66. Posted by: Lostsplorer at April 12, 2007 1:56 PM

@aj:

The island is necessarily the cure for cancer, but for any ailment or injury. It hasn't been reveled to us that there are any cancer survivors on the island. But it is implied by Ben that either anyone with cancer has been cured of it, or that the island simply prevents it from happening to begin with. Either way, this is why none of the Others have cancer. Except, as we soon learn, for Ben of course...

Oh, and thanks for the history lesson, but I would seriously hope that anyone on this blog would know the historical significance, and thus the metaphor, of the Trojan horse...

#67. Posted by: Stocky at April 12, 2007 1:56 PM

Stocky:
Rose was revealed as having cancer before she boarded the plane in sydney, once on the island it was gone.

#68. Posted by: Lostsplorer at April 12, 2007 1:58 PM

Great Episode, Great Recap Mac Daddy...

Hi Brian, have fun at work...

#69. Posted by: Jenny Talia at April 12, 2007 2:01 PM

Hey Mac,

Great review as always. I haven't read the comments left by everyone before me, so I do not know if it has been mentioned. I had two observations from last night's episode.

There was a black man on the submarine. We only saw his back and partial profile of his face. He looked like Michael to me. I might be stretching there and I don't have tivo, so I can't verify this.

Another observation that hit me as I was reading the review is that Herarat is an anagram for Earhart. We all know that Amelia Earhart was lost over the Pacific Ocean, it is obvious given the Lost's writers history of making subtle links, that this is to make the comparison that flight 815 was lost over the Pacific Ocean. Furthermore, just like Amelia Earhart was never found, maybe this foreshadows that the Losties will never be found.

Sam

#70. Posted by: Sam at April 12, 2007 2:08 PM

I'm wondering if there is another way off the island other than the submarine. We have been led to believe that Michael and Walt left the island by boat. We haven't seen them all season since they left but I guess they could be held somewhere else on the island.

#71. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 2:09 PM

Am I suffering from multiple personality disorder? Did the Others clone me? Or did someone else take my name....

Signed,
the original hookedonlost.

#72. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 2:13 PM

@snow: Alice Krige played the Borg Queen. Is there another Borg queen that I do not know about?
Star Trek and LOST, two of my favorites.

#73. Posted by: onelostdude at April 12, 2007 2:22 PM

What the heck does the 48 hour activator mean??? Someone infiltrated camp and planted it on Claire? Or was this part of the shots she received via Ethan?

Wouldn't Juliet want revenge for Goodwin's death?

Also, I noticed the symbol on the submarine was familiar to the hexagons of the I Ching, so I looked it up, and here is what I found:

http://tinyurl.com/3xops4

Pretty interesting, right???

See you later, alligators!

WGNABB!

#74. Posted by: Vikki at April 12, 2007 2:24 PM

Just a thought.

Y did the feed that Ben showed Juliet have to be live. What if that was a recording done by whomever at a previous time. He could have just scripted it so it appeared live (the date on the newspaper was the date in real time) but now is centuries later. The clip of the flight 815 on the news also could be from the years ago...and the plane just entered the island airspace at such a delayed time because of the islands powers or some other dimensional thingy.

I'm not a time theorist but just adding some support.

#75. Posted by: i'm addicted to lost at April 12, 2007 2:26 PM

I don't think Juliet has any "secret" information about Sawyer. Perhaps he was a suspect when a dead body was found and it made the news, the news that Mikhail watches from the Flame....I've also been thinking back to the episode where all of the Losties send a message in a bottle on the raft. They probably either wrote to the person closest to them or just wrote something they wanted to get off their chest-maybe the others found the bottle and read all of their secrets? (of course Sawyer did read them first)

#76. Posted by: lostaddict at April 12, 2007 2:29 PM

Great review as usual Mac ... I absolutely loved Point 3! LOL.

There's so much to be said here, but for the most part others posting are covering the bulk of what I am thinking. But here's a question: The Others know nearly everything (if not everything) significant about our Losties' lives. That being said, they absolutely have to know about Rose's cancer. This being the case, why isn't Ben as intrigued with her as he is with Locke? She's the one you would think he'd have greater interest in, seeing as how her situation is more parallel to his than Locke's. I know part of the reasoning may be that the actress who plays Rose has been unavailable, but even so, you would think you'd hear him at least speak of her. Is this an oversight by the writers or is there a reason? What does everyone think?

Also, it doesn't have anything to do with this episode really, but I recently realized that Losteria Lane definitely must have originally been inhabited by Dharma (I don't know if this has been said by others before, sorry if I'm just slow lol). Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sayid found a map in the Dharma materials in Flame that showed the "Barracks". This is how they found Losteria Lane, because when questioned, Mikhail said it was where they lived. If this is the case, I wonder what the function was of the Dharma employees who lived in the Barracks. I don't know if this is at all significant, but I just thought I'd put it out there.

#77. Posted by: Jenna at April 12, 2007 2:31 PM

@ hookedonlost - Sorry for the intrustion of your name. I've changed mine.

#78. Posted by: hookedonlost 2 at April 12, 2007 2:34 PM

@Lostsplorer:

Thanks for correcting me. I was actually referring to any of the Others having had cancer, but I had completely forgotten about Rose. Maybe they should actually have her on the show once in a while... Ben and Juliet's conversation would have taken place prior to (even if only a few days) Rose's arrival to the island, so they would not have known the island cured her cancer until later.

I guess my point was that we can only ASSUME that the island either cured any Others of their cancer, or simply prevented any of them from getting it to begin with. From Juliet's point of view, she was led to believe that Ben had the power to cure her sister's cancer if she agreed to stay on the island. This would have had to involve bringing her sister to the island, which doesn't seem likely. And through characters like Rose and Locke, I think it's been made clear that the healing powers of the island won't work off the island. So I don't think Juliet's sister's cancer ever came back, and that Ben just made Juliet think it did to keep her on the island.

Now, if the powers of the island ARE able to be taken off the island and used elsewhere, well, then Ben is even more evil than we thought. He would have convinced Locke that he would lose his ability to walk if he left the island, knowing this wasn't the case. He must really have some dastardly plans for Locke to want to keep him on the island so badly.

We now know one other thing -- Ethan and Richard are at least two people who have been to the island, have left it, and gone back to it. And Richard must have returned to the island very recently if he was in Miami when 815 crashed on the island, but was back on the island by the time that Locke, Kate and Sayid invaded the barracks. And if he used their one and only sub, he would have had to have returned before the attack on Sayid, Jin and Sun on the sailboat as well, since the sub seems to have been present at the island since that time. Unless there's more than one sub...

#79. Posted by: Stocky at April 12, 2007 2:37 PM

@ hooked 2 - No problem! :) Great minds, right?

#80. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 2:44 PM

@ ealgumby - LOL. That was brilliant!

#81. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 12, 2007 2:46 PM

1. Ben could have easily lied about Rachel to keep Juliet around. Since Juliet isn't allowed to speak to her sister, she only has Ben's word that he cured Rachel. IMHO: Ben = Liar. That being said, I think Jacob is real but is more CEO than field general. Perhaps he'll make an appearance in a future episode.

2. I asked last week and I'll ask again: If Juliet REALLY wants to leave and be with her sister, why is she so loyal to Ben? He has prevented her from leaving the island at every turn. Does she not get that Ben will NEVER let her leave?

3. If Amelia Earhart shows up she better bring Fonzie and a pair of water skis with her.

#82. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 12, 2007 2:51 PM

Much like Juliet's faith in Jacob, my faith in the show had been shaken in the first several episodes this season, however, I must admit, Lost once again is AWESOME!

#83. Posted by: Three men and a baby...I counted Hugo twice! at April 12, 2007 2:54 PM

Something that no one has mentioned yet, but that I immediately thought of last night is what if Juliet is pregnant? We see her post-coitus in a flashback immediately preceeding the plane crash. This would also make her a candidate for her own medicine since the child was conceived on the island.

#84. Posted by: trevenator at April 12, 2007 2:56 PM

Two more thoughts-

When Juliet makes a comment about already being on her own to Jack, I think this was the first time she wasn't lying-she really is in it for herself now.

Did anyone notice that Ben made it a point to say the name of Rachel's son? Do you think "Julian" was a tribute to "Juliet"? Perhaps Rachel was led to believe that her sister was dead

#85. Posted by: lostaddict at April 12, 2007 2:56 PM

To be fair about the cancer curing thing, Juliette never said Ben had cancer, she just said he had a tumor. It was never disclosed whether it was malignant or not. Perhaps the island doesn't prevent tumors, it just prevents/cures cancer.

@ Deep Cover: I'm not in agreement with the time conspiracy theorists. I'm in the camp that believes island time is the same as the rest of the world. I just thought it was an interesting comment by Alpert, given the many other time references.

@ mac: "Hurley says, nodding toward a blank patch of sand covered in Vincent's poop." LMFAO! One of the best macisms of all time, along with: "He pauses, snares a fly with his tongue, then flatly denies her request" and of course "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

I'm likin' all the new name anagrams, namely Earhart and "I go down." ROTFL!

#86. Posted by: Trinity at April 12, 2007 3:05 PM

Two very odd scenes in this episode.
First, when we see Ben at his home desk, there is a telephone! A regular, black household telephone front in center in the scene. I don't recall seeing any other telephones on the island (Others used walkie talkies). We were lead to believe that the Flame station was the center of all communications. With the telecom cable Sayid found on the beach going into the ocean, there is a link to the outside world.
Second, when Ben was "proving" that Juliet's sister had cancer, he gave Jules a medical file. What struck me at first was that the page was a EKG chart which I thought odd. I subsequently saw a screen shot of the medical file labeled Carlson, Rachel and the document was for an 187 pound male with a cardiac condition. Significant prop error (especially when Lost fans comb their screen shots for clues) or a cue that the characters are not really who they say they are?

#87. Posted by: welh at April 12, 2007 3:05 PM

Is anyone else having trouble with the travel rate on the island? Does it really take hours or days to traverse through the jungle? How big is this island? Even a fairly slow pace of 2 mph should get them here to there within a day. The island would have to be many miles across to keep them from being where they want to be quickly. Ethan and Goodwin did not seem to have any trouble getting to the crash sites 'within an hour'. Even if there are underground tunnels, wouldn't they be running?
And how about retracing your steps, Sayid? He's always hacking some vines away. They could not possibly grow back in 2 days could they? The return group (Jack, Kate, Sayid, Juliet) must have trusted Juliet enough to let her turn off the sonic fence. Why do they keep pressing her later?

I think Juliet must have been promised something and she believes Ben keeps his promises. Ben does keep his promises but he looks for a loophole to get out of them. Ex.) Jack can go home for saving his life. He doesn't want Jack to go home because he will try to come back. He tells Locke don't blow up the sub. (Knowing Locke will blow up the sub.) Locke blows up the sub. "Sorry Jack I really tried to get you off the island."

#88. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 12, 2007 3:08 PM

Last nights episode leads me to believe the following:

The sub has nothing to do with getting to the island. The others can come and go another way (space-time stuff). Juliet is drugged and wakes up in the sub thinking she traveled there in it, but its all a scam.

This also might explain what happened when Ben said "Bring me the man from Tallahassee." Locke's father was not even on the island when the command was given. The others simply stepped through their secret door to the outside, grabbed him and brought him back. His appearance of being tied up, beaten and gagged in the chair gives me the impression he had just been kidnapped. He looked scared too, which is how you would look if you had just been grabbed and thrown through a black hole into a closet on the other side of the world.

Makes sense to me. Do I win something?

#89. Posted by: gregzilla at April 12, 2007 3:30 PM

Does someone out there have a screen snap of the newspaper shown to Juliet over the video feed? What was the exact date and headline again? Does it bear any resemblance to the "real" news that happened on that day? Don't have access right now, but in typical Lost fashion there's probably a clue there.

#90. Posted by: ealgumby at April 12, 2007 3:37 PM

This is my third time trying to post this, so if you have seen it twice before or will see it twice again, I apologize...

Anywho...if they implanted Claire with something that activated 48 hrs ago, does this mean someone infiltrated the beach and implanted something in/on her? Timewise, wouldn't that be when the group "found" Losteria Lane and were captured there? And isn't that the same time as the discovery of the VW bus/Paolikki death/luau? Who did it then?

Would Juliet want revenge for Goodwin's death? I just knew she was in on it with Ben...

I noticed the symbol on the submarine (broken line over full line over broken line) reminded me of the I Ching...so I looked it up, and here is what I found...interesting, right????

http://tinyurl.com/37s239

WGNABB!

#91. Posted by: Vikki at April 12, 2007 3:39 PM

It cracks me up how Sayid was hackin' through those trees that weren't even in his way. He's mowin' a lawn over the exchange with Doctor "protective". Sheesh, what's Jack thinking ? He must have learned something about the Others or he's just a complete moron. Looks like Jacob has been solidified as the "Brilliant Man" behind Others club. Though it's possible Ben made up Jacob. How could Juliet / Others know that Sawyer shot that guy in Australia ? Is that why we saw Sawyer being hauled into the police station before ? Juliet doesn't sell as the "bad-ass villain" that I am assuming the writers have her cast as. Sure, she's a great actress but we'll have to see how that all pans out. I knew that was Juliet putting on a gas mask last week. i don't know why she would risk being seen doing that by Kate though.
Smokey sure is a lousy "security system" with all this activity traypsen through the jungle.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#92. Posted by: thinng at April 12, 2007 3:43 PM

Can't take credit for this one as I'm not up on my scriptures, but my brother points out that in the bible, "Jacob" is "Ben's" father. Coincidence? Connection?

#93. Posted by: R at April 12, 2007 3:47 PM

@ealgumby:

IIRC, the date on the newspaper was September 22, 2004. That would be two days before the crash, which was on the 24th. Even if you account for the international date line, the earliest the paper could be is the 23rd. Again, this is from memory of the scene, but I noticed it instantly. I have no idea what the news was that day. Someone let me know if I am wrong.

#94. Posted by: onelostdude at April 12, 2007 3:49 PM

@ealgumby: The "paper" is the Miami Journal, which as far as I can tell (and remember), isn't an actual paper. The Miami Herald is the big one.

A shot of the paper is available here:
http://tinyurl.com/3yw9w7

Hope that helps! -- mac

#95. Posted by: mac at April 12, 2007 3:51 PM

The crash was on Sept. 22, 2004. (NOT the 24th).

#96. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 3:51 PM

Probably over-analyzing, but ...

There was no transmission delay in Ben's supposed conversation with Alpert from Miami. Unless you believe in one of the spacetime-dilation theories, then the plane/island must be in the Pacific. A satellite comm link to the other side of the world will induce a couple seconds of delay back and forth, as you may have noticed watching live reports on the news from Iraq or any other place overseas.

Either an intentional clue showing that Alpert was really in the next hatch over playing a doctored tape, or just a technical oversight by the production staff.

#97. Posted by: ealgumby at April 12, 2007 3:55 PM

abigerbang (symbol in the tree above her head that was shown twice it looked like a big * astreck circle)-- It was an image of a spider. I couldn't decide why it was there though. I am sure it will have some significance at a later time.

Personally I found this episode very thin. I thought last week that Juliet was a spy/worm/trojan horse. (Maybe because I recently saw The Departed.) I was starting to doubt myself when we see Juliet and Ben at the end. The only twists were the implant issue (brilliance) and that I think she is going to turn on Ben (she told Jack, "she's already alone"). She also shot Desmond a very odd look. I think she knew him previously.

#98. Posted by: boharpe at April 12, 2007 3:59 PM

Something about the Rachel/cancer thing didn't sit right with me, so I rewatched the episode (yes, me=dork) and I think it's possible that Ben made up the cancer report as a way of convincing Juliet to stay on the island. It seems that even after Juliet opts to stay, she still doesn't have contact with her sister, so, technically, it's possible that in the 2 1/2 years between Juliet's original request to leave and the arrival of the Oceanic castaways, she simple took Ben at his word.

But the catalyst for Juliet remaining was the original medical report. Ben claimed that Mikhail obtained the report, but isn't it just as possible that Ben *fabricated* the report?

And as for Ben's assertion that "he didn't lie" -- wouldn't a liar say this?

#99. Posted by: mac at April 12, 2007 4:02 PM

I know how Ben will die. In the series finale, his pants will light on FIRE...of course, cause he's a LIAR.

#100. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 12, 2007 4:13 PM

@Vikki:

Ethan is the one who put the implant into Claire. It has just been dormant inside her. Ben says they ACTIVATED the implant in Claire, which would make her sick in the next 48 hours, just as Jack and crew are arriving back at the beach.

@onelostdude:

The date on the paper was Sept. 22, 2004, same date as the crash. That's why there was all the news footage on the other monitors of the missing flight.

@gregzilla:

I agree, they definitely have some other way of getting to and from the island besides the sub and the small boats we've seen. I don't tend to agree with the whole space-time portal as some people do, but "bring me the man from Tallahassee" and poof, there he is, does have me thinking a little now to what you suggested...

#101. Posted by: Stocky at April 12, 2007 4:15 PM

Mac -
The newspaper url didn't seem to work. Can you recreate and post it?

#102. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 4:15 PM

BOHARPE/ THANK YOU....for commenting on my post of the "spider symbol" hidden in the tree above Juliets head while talking to sayid and sawyer i said astereck but thinking back and you saying spider symbol you are absolutly correct that is what it looked liked i just couldnt think of it at the time thanks again and yes I do think it will mean something later

#103. Posted by: abigerbang at April 12, 2007 4:16 PM

Laughing @ Mac: "Oh, crap". You ain't got NO sense..None!

You know, each episode is better than the last! I KNOW the season finale is going to be stellar. Can't wait!

I'm pretty sure that Juliette is a Gemini w/ great coping skills. The woman has dual personalities. Anyways, I'm conflicted because it's pretty clear that if she follows Ben she'll get what she wants - off the island. If she takes the high moral ground and stand with the Losties, well, she'll be on Craphole Island until - whenever. What's a girl to do? ...stay away from Smokey, that's for sure..lol

How whipped can you get? Ask Jack. Ask Sawyer. Ask Sayid! Dang you, Sayid!

Loved this episode! How's your TIVO?

#104. Posted by: amelia at April 12, 2007 4:18 PM

@onelostdude:

I called Mitchell Borg Queen because Susannah Thompson's Borg in the Voyager episodes is so very Juliet in nature.

#105. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 4:20 PM

@mac "Why doesn't Ben have any eyelashes?" HILARIOUS!

@mac "Point 3: Oh Crap" OUTSTANDING!!!

Great Review!

Jack needs to grow a pair!

If the Others have complete files on the castaways, does JULIET know that CLAIRE is JACK's half sister?

@ransomjackson: Harold Perrineau Jr. was credited for the entire season 2, even though he was not in many of the episodes. I think this is a contract thing with actors who are series regulars. Kiele Sanchez may be listed but never appear again.


#106. Posted by: kimberly at April 12, 2007 4:22 PM

For all ye who have so little faith in the leader of the losties: Jack is playing Juliette. He knows how bad she wants to leave the island and he realizes that her best chance is by remaining in contact with Ben. I'll give 3-1 odds that Jack knows she is a mole.

#107. Posted by: PAG at April 12, 2007 4:23 PM

@hookedonlost: I just gave it a try and it worked. Apologies for being a bit obvious, but you need to copy the url and paste it into the address bar of your browser. It's not a live link.

#108. Posted by: mac at April 12, 2007 4:24 PM

@mac:

That was exactly my point in one of my earlier posts: Juliet simply took Ben at his word, for both her sister having Cancer, and then for curing it. For those 2 1/2 years, Juliet could only hope Ben was curing her sister (as far as she knew anyway -- I don't believe that her cancer ever came back), and Rachel probably assumed that Juliet had died (why else wouldn't she have come home as she promised, esp. in 2+ years), and thus named her son after her. Ben is truly a VERY evil person AND a liar... He keeps his promises, but they are based in fabrication so he doesn't actually have to honoe them when the time comes (as someone else said, they always have a loophole that will let him off the hook).

#109. Posted by: Stocky at April 12, 2007 4:27 PM

Thanks Mac -

I got it after I posted back to you. It just took several tries for some reason. Might be problems with our server here at work. Anyway - thanks!

GRAA!

#110. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 12, 2007 4:28 PM

@snow: Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense now.
@stocky: Thanks for the clarification as well. My memory is failing me. Oh crap!

#111. Posted by: onelostdude at April 12, 2007 4:29 PM

Was the symbol on the tree the same as the brand on Juliet's back?

Also, could Jack, Kate, and Sawyer have been injected with something like sodium thiopental (truth serum) - ergo the Others knowing deep secrets about their past dealings?

Len

#112. Posted by: Len at April 12, 2007 4:29 PM

Point 1: what if jacob is not one person, but an entity? Maybe a group or even another acronym? (ie.e you know sometimes how groups of people or departments can take on a singular feel -- like "tell corporate about it" or "we don't have clearance from legal on this.")

Point 2: I think that the whole preggers thing isn't about conception, but about carrying to term. If we look at the evidence -- Claire and Danielle both arrived on the island already PG and gave birth on the island. Why would this be? Why them and not the Others? Is there something in the genetic make-up of the Other women (as opposed to outside women) that is different? What does this imply about Sun?

Point 3: "Why doesn't Ben have any eyelashes?" Tee hee ...that cracked me up, Mac! That and the second set of eyelids comment. You da best!

#113. Posted by: GatorGal at April 12, 2007 4:34 PM

One continuity error from last night: Juliet is awakened in the submarine by Ethan and when she gets out of the bunk she is barefoot. She picks up her purse and jacket. She then follows Ethan to the ladder leading out of the sub and VOILA! She's wearing her pumps. Does the island also have mysterious shoe creating abilities?!?!?

By the way, one of the guys sitting at the table in the sub does kind of look like Michael although we never get a good look.

#114. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 12, 2007 4:35 PM

@mac: Thanks for the link to the shot of the paper.

For what it's worth, checked the White House press releases, and Bush did in fact speak to the UN on September 21, 2004. Probably irrelevant, but actually read the transcript of his speech, and didn't see a thing about any life-changing plans.

#115. Posted by: ealgumby at April 12, 2007 4:37 PM

LEN good point and kudos for the observation but I hate to admit it but I dont recall symbol on Juliets back. Does the symbol look like a spider on her back and if yes then I believe there is definatly significance to that scene. thanks again!!!!

#116. Posted by: abigerbang at April 12, 2007 4:40 PM

Re: The men in the submarine.
I just had an inspiration for a new Lost nursery rhyme: "Rub-a-dub-dub, 2 men in a sub."

#117. Posted by: Trinity at April 12, 2007 4:44 PM

The sub was small enough. Now only if it had been... yellow.

#118. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 12, 2007 4:51 PM

Maybe Jacob is Ringo Starr?

#119. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 4:55 PM

angram for earhart

her a rat

#120. Posted by: abigerbang at April 12, 2007 4:55 PM

Herarat, which is an anagram for Earhart, as in Amelia Earhart, the famous aviator who went missing in the 30s.

Herarat Aviation is an anagram for "a variation Earth."

hmmmmmm...

#121. Posted by: GatorGal at April 12, 2007 4:59 PM

@Stocky: Sorry about that! You posted the exact same point re: the cancer report.

And here I was thinking I was all cool and stuff ;) You beat me to the punch!

#122. Posted by: mac at April 12, 2007 5:00 PM

"Home is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there..." - it seemed somewhat painful that they had to recap the misuse of the 'downtown' song in the season opener, as I reacall, they were showing the Talking Heads album cover and perhaps the podcast covered why they couldn't get the rights. A damn shame as now it seems the perfet musical clue for Juliet's personality. Perhaps in the DVD they can switch it out?

#123. Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2007 5:03 PM

One last comment on the paper ...

"New Glitches May Need New Fixes" is a reference to problems with the new Florida voting system, reported by CNET on September 22, 2004. I don't think there are any plot references here, but perhaps a little political commentary?

#124. Posted by: ealgumby at April 12, 2007 5:05 PM

That satellite dish was moving in the scene where Ben and Juliet walked up to Mikhaels pad. But obviously it was working at that point.

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#125. Posted by: thinng at April 12, 2007 5:10 PM

Couple running theories on Jack right now:

1. He's truly turned into an idiot. Now that may seem funny but follow me for a sec. Jack has spent his whole life as a man of science, not believing in faith or destiny. The last 90 days have provided him countless opportunities to change his way of thinking. Locke seemed to want to pound this into his skull whenever possible. Maybe he's believing more, having more faith, trusting that he DOES have a destiny. Maybe his new thought process is filled with as much conviction as his previous ways. He doesn't understand how to cope with these new feelings so he relies on 'blind faith' to get him through. I mean really! In the past, had a lone coconut hit the ground, Jack would have investigated it to no end until he had a full and rational answer as to why it happened. Now, he just let's anything slide as if it were meant to be. What's up with that?? That could explain why he's an idiot now and not before..no?

2. He found something out from Others that blew his mind and he understands that if his crew knew what was REALLY up, they'd pull-a-Patchy and spontaneously combust. There is no way that the info Juliette finally revealed (no-preggers-island) is what Sayid would have 'killed her' for. We all know we didn't get full disclosure from her. So maybe Jack is in it with her ('They're gonna need some answers soon'..not ALL the answers, just some.. or 'I can't protect you forever') with each having the same ultimate goal...play along = go home and make babies.

3. He is aware that Juliette is playing them and is just playing along. It makes sense because he knows that the only way to get off this island is through Ben. If he aligns himself with Jules, he'll eventually get another opportunity to leave. Why not screw the other survivors of 815, he was gonna screw them a couple days ago by bolting on the sub.

4. *add all of #3 here* ...and he also wants to find Locke, cut his kidney sac, shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails, gas him, then ask why in the hell he'd blow up the sub!

#126. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 12, 2007 5:38 PM

@MAC
Someone mentioned this a few weeks ago, but can you number each post? It gets hard to keep track. I do like that you changed your color though.

#127. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at April 12, 2007 5:54 PM

I know it's a pain, but I just jot down (or remember) the data and time of the last time I was reading and then scroll down to there when I return.

#128. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 12, 2007 6:01 PM

Mac I love your blog. This is my first time posting and after reading much of the feedback (I apologise if someone else already picked up on this) I noticed something huge last night that I did not see mentioned in your blog.
For numerous reasons, including the story Mikhail told Sayid about a psuedo war between DHARMA and the OTHER, we the audience (well, I) still believed the Others and the DHARMA were mutually exclusive organizations. But during the flashback in last night's episode the scene where the patient dies in surgery (labor??) all the medical staff wear DHARMA medical lab coats. If these Others can import a hot infertility specialist, Stephen King novels, and World Series footage couldn't it also be reasoned they would wear their own medical uniforms? This may seem like an insignificant detail, but if the function of the Others is to deal in some cancer/fertility specialty I can't imagine them donning DHARMA surgical hand-me-downs. I am now convinced there is no difference between the Others and DHARMA. If everyone else figured this out last season I aplogise for boring you with my light bulb moment.

#129. Posted by: i_am_turd at April 12, 2007 6:08 PM

I've been doing a bit of thinking about the preggo-problems on the island and Juliet's attempt to cure it. Here's some of my interpretations and theories:


Juliet's hypothesis is that something happens at conception and she wants to test the hypothesis by taking a woman off the island, getting her preggers, then bringing her back. (Yay, scientific method!)


The plane crashes, and she gets what she needs: a woman who conceived off the island now on the island.


It is possible that Juliet is only lying about part of Ethan's claire-napping. Ethan may have been taking blood samples for Juliet, then they found the signatures for the "problem." Juliet (or Ben) then orders Ethan to kidnap Claire so they can use Juliet's therapy. It works, Claire goes to term, and viola - turnip head.


Now, here's a thought: Maybe Jule's figured out a way to put her therapy in as an implant, so they don't have to keep injecting. Ben "activated" the implant by turning it off, thus requiring injections again.


Anyway, that's my idea about the pregnant stuff and Juliet.


Oh, and for gregzilla: The doors between dimensions was in one of my favorite Stephen King novels, the dark tower book 2 The Drawing of the Three.

#130. Posted by: juice227 at April 12, 2007 6:09 PM

@Jon: I looked into it, but there's no easy way to implement the number functionality (it's pretty lame, actually). Sorry!

#131. Posted by: mac at April 12, 2007 6:16 PM

I just rewatched the episode and what I first thought was poker face in the last Juliet-Ben scene is actually abject hatred.

Juliet is planning Ben's demise.

She may have even faked his tumor.

Maybe Jack didn't find a tumor when he was operating and knows what Juliet is up to.

#132. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 7:22 PM

@Red...Neck...Man

Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Cracked me up!

#133. Posted by: mrsdobalena at April 12, 2007 7:36 PM

Ok, so the island cures cancer. (well, until Ben) and they want to bottle that up and share with the world (Hence being "good people") but the flip side is no babies can be born. Is this the work of the Others in a nutshell? Help me here.

All that stuff with Juliet's info about Ethan was a Lie, lie, lie! So easy to beleive, and put peices together for the viewers. But with the implant business--turns out to be just another lie of Juliet's.

And last thought--the Book Club. How is it that this island happens to have 15 copies of Steven King's Carrie sitting around? Does Amazon.com deliver, or do they have a rediculously well-stocked library?

#134. Posted by: robin at April 12, 2007 8:03 PM

So was anyone else surprised that Juliette's boyfriend was Goodwin, not Ben?

#135. Posted by: KaytieD at April 12, 2007 8:36 PM

Okay, just a thought. Is it possible that Saywer has also been injected with some type of device that they can activate at their will(if you remember he was subjected to a procedure of some sort)
And as far as I am concerned, the writers can send Jack to the fate of Pauliki. He has become such a bore. Really either he has a great plan ior he lost his back bone while operating on Ben.
Another note, which may already have been mentioned, a tumor does not necessarily equal cancer.

#136. Posted by: Sheila at April 12, 2007 8:57 PM

Jacob is REAL. When we finally find out who he is we will be very suprised....Its to good of an opp. for the writers to let slide and be nothing

#137. Posted by: dantheman at April 12, 2007 9:10 PM

@mac...SWEET FRANCIS ON TOAST

Keep em' coming ;)

#138. Posted by: green at April 12, 2007 9:28 PM

A couple more things: Juliette is not trying to avenge Goodwins death because it was Anna Lucia who killed him. One thing that never made sense to me was the fact that Ben and his gang have all or at least most of the weapons. So why don't they just storm the beach and take everyone. Why play the "lets send Juliette to the beach" game. There must be a reason for this cat and mouse game....

#139. Posted by: dantheman at April 12, 2007 9:30 PM

Oh my gosh, Juliet did do it with Goodwin, which could possibly lead to a pregnancy. What a great observation.
I haven't seen enough emotion to make me think she would seek revenge for his death.

I think Jack is up to something too. If he isn't in cahoots with Juilet, then he has some plan of his own.

You guys take Lost to whole 'nuther level!!!! I love it!

#140. Posted by: ej at April 12, 2007 9:33 PM

Death toll of Others...

Ethan, Goodwin, Danny, Mikhail, Bea, Colleen...

Six so far that I can think of.

So the Losties aren't exactly "not a threat"

#141. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 10:09 PM

Oh, yeah and Kelvin. So, seven, kind of.

#142. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 10:10 PM

I only got through half of last week's posts so don't know if this was mentioned.

I noticed in the scene where Locke says good-bye to Kate, that his right hand was all bandaged up. Could he have hurt his hand beating the crap out of his father?

Also, in the previous episode, Locke looked fine when he was caught at the docks, but then when brought before Ben, the whole left side of his face was bruised like he had been beaten up.

#143. Posted by: ardie at April 12, 2007 10:11 PM

oh...and the couple that Eko killed.

Any more?

#144. Posted by: snow at April 12, 2007 10:12 PM

Herarat = A.R. Earth (as in Artificial Reality)... Maybe Juliette took the red pill... like in matrix... Or maybe more like total recall... Thats how they know all the information etc....

#145. Posted by: Jason - UES Manhattan at April 12, 2007 10:14 PM

Death toll of others (continued)...

Eko killed the two guys trying to drag him off. Ana Lucia killed one in another of their raids (she found the list on that one). When Michael was leading their 5-person Walt rescue party, Sawyer shot one who was shadowing them on the other side of the river. Juliet killed one in allowing Kate and Sawyer to escape.

#146. Posted by: ardie at April 12, 2007 10:20 PM

@I_am_turd Great catch!


@Everyone who think Jules is "with child"
The last time Jules did "it" with Goodwin was three months ago, if she got preggers, she would be showing by now. More likely that Kate could be preggers - you'd only need two weeks to tell.

#147. Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 10:35 PM

Welllll...

During the scene when Ben and Juliet were walking up to the Flame, Ben made sure his presence was known, and specifically said, "Dont shoot..."

This was during the immediate aftermath of flight 815, so I am sure Mikhail was not concerned about any of THOSE people coming to get him...

Which would lead me to believe that there IS another group of people on the island. Otherwise, why would Mikhail shoot at his own people? Right? Right?!

PS I really hope that Juliet is seriously considering her options and is realizing that being on the side of the 'Losties' is her best bet.

#148. Posted by: Keluha at April 12, 2007 10:49 PM


Mac,

To the issue of "numbering" the postings" problem. Perhaps a simple solution is to insert "bookmarks" every 25 postings or so. Something simply like a empty block in a distinctive color.

Depending on the website perimeters, this might be automatically generated.

DRH

#149. Posted by: davidrh at April 12, 2007 10:59 PM

I would also like to know (someone else mentioned it) how Ben "cured" Rachel of her cancer without her coming to the island, because supposedly its the Island that cures, not Ben.
Also, everyone keeps mentioning the fact that the "EBS" pregnancy problem happens during conception only to women who conceived on the island, then why did Juliet inject Claire with the serum? She knew Claire conceived OFF the island, so she should be safe. Thoughts?

#150. Posted by: Christina at April 12, 2007 11:36 PM

Mac, how's fatherhood treating you? And speaking of fatherhood, did anyone catch the new series "Notes From the Underbelly"? They did a great homage to Lost. There's a scene where all the men are trying to watch "Lost" while their wives are trying to get their attention. Funny!

#151. Posted by: Christina at April 12, 2007 11:39 PM

Juliet's evil, and I couldn't like her more.

This would be a somewhat inexact numbering system, but if everybody numbered their own post, you could just look at the last post and add one.

Yes, there would be some posts seemingly out of order, and newbies would have to catch on, but on the whole, with a little cooperation, it'd be almost/kinda/sorta accurate.

#152. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 12, 2007 11:45 PM

Point 3: Oh, crap.

Biggest understatement of the year. Funny as hell though; can't stop laughing.

#153. Posted by: Matt at April 12, 2007 11:47 PM

Re: Sun... I loved the look Kate directed toward Sun at the mention of the "Evil Baby Syndrome". Refresh my memory...is Kate the only one who knows that Sun is pregnant (besides Jin, of course)?

#154. Posted by: Christina at April 13, 2007 12:01 AM

Could Jacob be an alias for Alvar Hanso? Or, better yet, the "good" twin?

Another thought: if we take Ben at his word (difficult, I know) and accept that "Jacob" cured Rachel's cancer, then...

why aren't they sharing this monumental breakthrough with the world? Here's why: they are playing God and self-selecting/hand picking who to save. Who knows what type of criteria they might be using but may be trying to create a "super-human" race where "special/good" people are cured. Maybe the Others are justifying this to themselves that their actions are for the "future salvation" of mankind. Kinda creepy, really...

#155. Posted by: GatorGal at April 13, 2007 12:18 AM

@Mac
Now that i've read your review, top notch as always and some hilarious comedy.
One thinng, uh...
Children of Men ? uh... please, if there has ever been a worse ending for a flik ?

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#156. Posted by: thinng at April 13, 2007 1:21 AM

Ben wants Alex separated from Carl because they ran out of Dharma Condoms in the '80s.

#157. Posted by: MacistheMan at April 13, 2007 1:54 AM

Do you think that the island's cancer curing properties are related to the inability to bring a child to term? Whatever prevents the cancer from growing may also prevent a child from growing. This could mean that Ben's cancer is actually good news for the other. If his tumor could grow, then there is hope for conception.

Maybe Juliet was able to give Ben cancer. She indicated that she was able to create a medication that would be successful for conception. Could that medication have Whatever medication given Ben cancer?

#158. Posted by: lost fan at April 13, 2007 3:49 AM

first??

Okay, maybe not, but I still want to get my 2 cents worth in.

Wasn't it strange how Juliet walked on the dock with the spike heels, yet the heels didn't poke through the spaces in the wood? I could NEVER pull that one off.

Juliet is definitely in it for herself. If she believes following Ben will eventually get her home, that's what she'll do. The Losties have NO way to get off, so she's with Ben unless some better opportunity comes forth.

Sun's pregnancy will be the way Juliet solves her problem. She'ss help Sun for Ben and then she'll be able to go home. This will happen near the end of the show. Or, she won't be able to do it and Ben will give up, thus being the "not satisfying" conclusion that was hinted at.

Where are Rose and Bernard??? :)

#159. Posted by: meg at April 13, 2007 8:15 AM

Sawyer also knows about Suns pregnancy at least. As she came to him for a pregnancy test.

I think also Hurley knows, as Hurley knows everything.

#160. Posted by: Scott at April 13, 2007 8:43 AM

A few more thoughts since I idn't sleep last night because I was Lost in thought (pun intended)
-Jacks first question upon seeing Claires ebola like hemmorage " has she had enough water" are you kidding me, you went to medical school for this!!

-How big is this flipping island? (remember the giant foot statue and the sailboat ride)

-Sun has more to worry about than being pregnant, she shot colleen

-where is the sailboat now?

- How could Ben not know of it's existence? Again, how big is this place

-what type of experiments were they doing on Walt had him so distraught(of course he isn't your average kid)

-Rose and Bernard!!!! Where are you? Are they off making island babies?

_Maybe the others went back to the camp with the huts that Sayid found way back in the beginning of this season ( or 3 days ago in Lost time)

#161. Posted by: Sheila at April 13, 2007 9:03 AM

@Gregzilla- Love your theory..I'm with you! I think you're right on target!

@ Mac- HyPro Glo? Hysterical!

Great re-cap of one of the best episodes of season 3 (2nd only to the Locke-and-the-wheel-chair episode) Is anyone else in panic mode that there are only 5 episodes left?? Yikes!

#162. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 13, 2007 9:14 AM

The whole issue about the pregnancies follows the cancer theme. The pregnancies are being rejected like a tumor would be. The island obviously has healing powers but apparently they are in such overdrive that pregnancies are rejected as foreign.

#163. Posted by: SF at April 13, 2007 9:42 AM

Five episodes left puts us right about where Juliet will meet with Ben (or not). I'm thinking that they are going to torture us with the ultimate cliffhanger. It's got to be something that no one thought of. Perhaps Penny comes in somewhere. That should be a question, "What's the cliffhanger going to be?"

#164. Posted by: meg at April 13, 2007 9:44 AM

"And as far as I am concerned, the writers can send Jack to the fate of Pauliki. He has become such a bore."

Before you treat Jack too harshly remember that Locke became a bit of a boob before his more recent transformation to interestingness. I think the writers need to make the characters appear weak so that their later, possible heroic actions look more...well, heroic.

#165. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 13, 2007 10:46 AM

Another good question would be "what answers do we have now that we didn't have before the hiatus?"

Think about all the amazing things we've found out in the past 2 months!! I love this show!

#166. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2007 10:48 AM

Here is a picture of the tree symbol. It looks like the astrological sign for Uranus to me. http://tinyurl.com/33gamu

@Alex (not Rousseau): I believe Juliet's shoes were right under the bed. It would have been easy for her to slip them on before going outside.

@dantheman: Storming the beach would be a bad idea for the Others. Then you have a captive population which you have to watch and take care of (or kill). The whole group never comes into the jungle, just 3-6 at a time, which they can easily handle. Let them fend for themselves since the majority are redshirts who haven't wandered off the beach.

@GatorGal and everyone else: How about a J.A.C.O.B. acronym game? After all this isn't Just Another Cliche Online Board!

#167. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 13, 2007 10:53 AM

I apologize if someone has mentioned this theory, but i couldn't read everything. Maybe Juliet wants off the island so bad right now, because she is pregnant (thru Goodwin). I couldn't help but notice that just as she was saying to Jack and Kate that, "all the pregnant women on the island die" they flashed immediately to a half naked (thank you by the way, writers) Juliet in bed with Goodwin (way overachieving) eating ice cream. More importantly, there didn't seem to be any point to there conversation other than she had been there 3 years, which we already knew. So why flash to that (other than to make me smile)? Now knowing that her sister has hair and is well with Julian (gag), why is she still begging to leave. Pregnant=Dead.
This is totally Ben's plan B. His dangling of another exit method to get Juliet to do as he pleases, until he gets Locke to blow that up too, and moves to plan C. Any thoughts?

#168. Posted by: Mike L at April 13, 2007 11:09 AM

Hey, what about this. The island is supposed to have the "magic box". We have seen that people's thoughts are coming true or alive or whatever. What if someone (or many people) are sick of Ben (like Juliet said back at the beginning of the season) and they all wished some disease or death on him and the island manifested that as his cancer?

Hmmmmm....sorry if this has been said before, but I have not read it.

#169. Posted by: wendy at April 13, 2007 11:20 AM

#169

^ ransomjackson Is that what you had in mind?

@Mike L "So why flash to that..." (Juliet & Goodwin in bed)

If you remember, they were interrupted by a knock at the door and then a quick scene change. One theory is that Ben and Juliet have had a relationship and that this scene is there to be revisited and continued later. The knock at the door will be Ben who will then catch the two naked monkey wrestlers red handed.

#170. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 11:23 AM

# 170 (?)

@PiecesofArzt & everybody:
Ok guys, I´m in the acronym-competition. How about that one:
John Awaits Cure Of Baldness!

#171. Posted by: John K at April 13, 2007 11:35 AM

#171 ?

I want to play!

Juliet Actually Creates Other Babies

#172. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2007 11:47 AM

Question: Why would Ben and the others care about the Losties anymore, especially with Ben's cancer gone, to concieve of yet another elaborate plan to infiltrate them?

Answere: Juliet says, "every woman on the island who concieved while she's been there has died...until Claire". My guess is that Ben does have another way to get off the island, and he has manipulated Juliet yet again to do what he wants while dangling the carrot out there. I think they want to study Claire some more to figure out why she is different from all the other women. Also, they probably put the implant in here when she was captured just in case she escaped. I believe Juliet was lying about Claire's kidnap not being part of the plan.

Some other observations:

1. What happens when the Others discover Sun is pregnant, and Rose was cured from cancer?

2. I don't believe Juliet will keep playing the Losties forever. I think she will eventually stand up to Ben and say, "The hell with you." I think right now she is doing what she needs to to survive. Like she told Jack, she is truly alone.

3. I think the Others uptopian society has been seriously tainted in recent history. They seem to be very interested in figuring out why our Losties are more in tune with the island than they are at the moment. John Locke, Claire, and possibly in the future, Rose and Sun.

#173. Posted by: CeStyle at April 13, 2007 12:05 PM

Just Another Castaway On Beach!

#174. Posted by: Sheila at April 13, 2007 12:09 PM

#175

J.A.C.O.B. = Just Another Counterfeit OZ Bluff

#175. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 12:14 PM

#176

J.A.C.O.B. = Jack And Crew Oust Ben

#176. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 12:30 PM

#177
@ Meg: Trust me, you'll learn how to walk in stilettos. Aside from making you look tall, having such a great sense of balance really gives you a sense of empowerment. ;)


J.A.C.O.B.= Jack's Ass Can Open Bras

#177. Posted by: Trinity at April 13, 2007 12:40 PM

# 178
@ bcre8ve, John K, hookedonlost, Trinity,

That's exactly what I had in mind. Ain't perfect, but it's simple.

Juliet "Actually Cons Others" Burke

#178. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 13, 2007 12:54 PM

Freeze frame! That was DEFINITELY Michael on the sub when Juliet arrived at the island.

#179. Posted by: Lostjaya Malakar at April 13, 2007 1:19 PM

Can I play, too?

JACOB:
Join A Cult Of Ben's

#180. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 13, 2007 1:43 PM

#181

I want to play too!

Jack As Claire's Older Brother

#181. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 13, 2007 2:00 PM

sorry lostjaya but there is no way that's Michael on the sub

#182. Posted by: Sheila at April 13, 2007 2:09 PM

lostjaya, dawg, that Michael thing just isn't workin' for me, you know? It's a little pitchy ;)

#183. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2007 2:13 PM

# 184
As Desmond might say...

Juliet's A Clever Obstetrician, Brutha.

#184. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 13, 2007 2:17 PM

If I'm being honest, Lostjaya, I have to say that your Michael on the sub theory wasn't horrible.
:-)

#185. Posted by: J-Rod at April 13, 2007 2:19 PM

Lostjaya - It was just awright for me, dawg. It wasn't the best for me for you...it was just awright.

Mac, on the other hand, lots of YO factor from you. We got a hot one tonight, America!

#186. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 13, 2007 2:24 PM

#186

@Lostjaya

The guy on the sub has appeared in some other scenes and many people have mistaken him for Michael. It is more apparent that he is not Michael in the other scenes.

#187. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 2:26 PM

I am starting a vote to get Lostjaya off the blog. I wonder what the hair looks like today?

AAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

#188. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 13, 2007 2:28 PM

I think the easiest way to determine if Michael was on the sub would be to read the credits. Wouldn't his name appear if he was in the episode?

#189. Posted by: petew at April 13, 2007 2:28 PM

JK...I love all you kookie people.

#190. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 13, 2007 2:29 PM

Has anyone considered that there is something wrong with whoever is fathering these babies on the island?
Is Jacob fathering all the babies? Juliet said it seems to be something going wrong at conception.

#191. Posted by: rosepjb at April 13, 2007 2:31 PM

#189
Typically, you're only credited if you actually get a line. But as we've seen time and time again (Paolikki), sometimes even that isn't necessary. Cameos are usually not credited.

Ben's advice to juliet...

"Just Act Cool On Beach."

#192. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 13, 2007 2:34 PM

I am 99.99999 percent sure that wasn't Michael on the sub. Kristin at E Online reported a while back (http://tinyurl.com/2yapfv) that Harold Perrineau denied the "Lost" producers' request to return for the finale. If he wasn't willing to show up for the Big Dog, I doubt he'd be okay with a 1.5 second appearance in the sub's galley.

#193. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2007 2:35 PM

#191

If that was Michael on the sub he would have been on the island 3 YEARS PRIOR to the crash (since that's how long Juliet has been on the island). An intriguing possibility but doubtful. Sounds like a wild goose chase.

#194. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 13, 2007 2:48 PM

I just saw Michael in our fax room.

#195. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 13, 2007 2:54 PM

"I just saw Michael in our fax room"

Couldn't have been. I just saw him chatting with Elvis over an RC Cola and a moon pie.

#196. Posted by: Brian at April 13, 2007 3:00 PM

@Lostjaya... They'd have alot of explaining to do, but I don't think it was Michael, but I won't say you're wrong for sure... I saw Juliet with the gas mask on last week but nobody believed me til this weeks ep. Hoorray for me, do I get a Dharma Cookie?

#197. Posted by: R at April 13, 2007 3:11 PM

@R: Just A Cookie On Break!

#198. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 13, 2007 3:14 PM

@R: Just A Cookie On Break!

#199. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 13, 2007 3:15 PM

Must be Friday and "Lost" must be back on track 'cause everyone's punchy.

BTW, Michael called. He says Walt is using his super powers to propel Sanjaya to an improbable "Idol" win.

I *knew* Walt was evil ;)

#200. Posted by: mac at April 13, 2007 3:20 PM

@ pieces of arzt:

How fun! Thaks for turning my "Jacob is an acronym" theory into a fun Friday diversion. Love it! How about:

Just A Couple Of Bums

Justify. Answer. Conceal. Oppress. Banish.

BTW, entymology of the name JACOB is as follows:

JACOB: From the Latin Jacobus, which was from the Greek Ιακωβος (Iakobos), which was from the Hebrew name יַעֲקֹב (Ya'aqov). In the Old Testament, Jacob (later called Israel) is the son of Isaac and Rebecca and the father of the twelve founders of the twelve tribes of Israel. He was born holding his twin brother Esau's heel, and his name is explained as meaning "holder of the heel" or "supplanter". Other theories claim that it is in fact derived from a hypothetical name like יַעֲקֹבְאֵל (Ya'aqov'el) meaning "may God protect". A famous bearer of this name was Jacob Grimm, the German linguist and writer who was, with his brother Wilhelm, the author of 'Grimm's Fairy Tales'.

#201. Posted by: GatorGal at April 13, 2007 3:35 PM

Nice Artz!

Great as always Mac, this site makes the time go faster between Wednesdays!

And What 'blockbuster' role to Harold P land that he's too good for Lost???

#202. Posted by: R at April 13, 2007 3:39 PM

Nice One Artz!

Great job Mac, this site makes the time between Wednesdays go faster!

And just wondering, what "blockbuster" movie role did Harold P land that he is now too good for Lost??? please

#203. Posted by: R at April 13, 2007 3:41 PM

Forget the babies...

Juliet And Claire On Board!

Dumb, I know, have a great weekend all.

#204. Posted by: R at April 13, 2007 3:53 PM

#204

Juast A Cloud Of Black

#205. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 4:07 PM

#204

Or as we say in English...

*Just* A Cloud Of Black

#206. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 4:08 PM

- When everybody talks about where Ben was born and stuff, this pops in my mind: isn't Ben Alex's father? So Ben and the middle-aged French chick (MAFC, I can't spell her name right)had some sex after the MAFC got on the island? Somebody might have talked about this long time ago...
- About where the mask-wearing Other went: Don't we have another island across the water? Am I missing something here?
- About the symbol on the submarine: It's one of the eight components in Bagua (try Wikipedia), each with 3 straight or boken lines. The Darhma Logo has all 8 components surrounding the Ying-Yang plot in the middle. Now this seems to suggest: are there totally eight subs (with each labeled as one of the symbols)?

#207. Posted by: laodoufu at April 13, 2007 4:08 PM

Here's another statement that will get overlooked, as all my other ones do, but here it goes anyway....

In the beginning of the first Juliet-centric epi (A Tale of 2 Cities, I believe) we see what looks like Ethan leaving Rachel's room and passing Juliet in the hallway, right? Well, Rachel was in the car when Juliet was greeted by Ethan and Richard, so why didnt Rachel recognize Ethan? Or maybe she did and Rachel is a part of this whole experimental thig-a-ma-jig that's going on? Or perhaps, just an oversite on the writers' part? Anyone else think something's up with that?

#208. Posted by: Keluha at April 13, 2007 4:22 PM

@ Keluha

We don't actually see Ethan leave Rachaels room, we just see him pass Juliet from the corridor.

#209. Posted by: sky at April 13, 2007 4:27 PM

Jolly Arch-enemies Can Only Brawl
Journey After Canopy Opened Bridge
Jaundiced Actors Could Own Bronzers
Jenius Arzt Checked Out Boomingly

#210. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 13, 2007 4:34 PM

I have not seen this address yet so maybe I am the only one who missed this.
What happened to the babies when the mothers died? When did the mothers start having porblems? Did the mothers carry to term then die?

I know two women who had this type of problem (but the baby was lost) with their pregnancy. Their bodies rejected the baby and caused a miscarriage.

#211. Posted by: michael at April 13, 2007 4:51 PM

#212

@Keluha "Here's another statement that will get overlooked, as all my other ones do, but here it goes anyway...."

Sounds like someone could use some love thrown their way on a Friday afternoon. So here 'tis...

We've been spelling Jakob incorrectly:

Just Answer Keluha Or Beat it

Now to address your post. I am sure that Juliet thought nothing of Eathan when she first saw him in the hallway. Later, when she was introduced to him she didn't recognize him. I bet that happens often in life - more than we realize it.

As for Rachel, we don't know for sure if he was with her or not. What if he were giving her preggy potion injections as he has shown the propensity to do island side. What if she isn't really pregnant and the positive test came from hormones that Eathan had injected into her?

Anyway... just some thoughts for a Friday.

#212. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 4:59 PM

Loved the "drink the Jonestown Kool-Aid and come with us or decide not to drink"--very Matrix-y.
I think Juliet's not upset about the sub because Ben probably told her that it wasn't really blown up. He's still dangling that carrot of going home to get her to do what he wants. Wherever the Others went, he said they'd be back in a week--that should be just in time for the season finale. This season is turning out pretty cool after all. Can't wait to see how it all plays out!


Jack Ate CrispySeaplanesCereal Over in Bensylvania!

#213. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 13, 2007 5:01 PM

Ya know, there are just too many loose ends as far as the mysteries go on Lost. They writers need to start giving us some freakin' answers as Hurley would say!
The 4 toed statue ?, The numbers significance ?, Walt and Michael ?, The real Henry Gail?, The food drop?, Libby's nut house reason ?, Desmonds girlfriends search?, the list goes on and on....c'mon guys feed me.... I'm starving !!!

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#214. Posted by: thinng at April 13, 2007 5:03 PM

@Keluha - I pay attention to your posts!~ Everytime I see it I think of one of my favorite drinks - just spelled a little differently, but great with coffee.

Speaking of Michael, who in the heck would turn DOWN an offer to be on LOST???? Are these actors crazy? Or just too stinking rich to care???

#215. Posted by: meg at April 13, 2007 5:14 PM

#48,706

@ MacistheMan - Ben wants Alex separated from Carl because they ran out of Dharma Condoms in the '80s.

They didn't run out of condoms. Juliet threw them all away:>)

@ meg - first?
SWEET FRANCIS ON TOAST!

@ Red...Neck...Man - I am starting a vote to get Lostjaya off the blog. I wonder what the hair looks like today?

I second that motion - it's bad enough I have to put up with Sanjaya twice a week already.

@ Lostjaya - nice try :)

@ Red...Neck...Man - I just saw Michael in our fax room.

What - and you didn't strangle the sob?

#216. Posted by: ButchM at April 13, 2007 5:33 PM

From: bcr8ve -Sounds like someone could use some love thrown their way on a Friday afternoon. So here 'tis...

We've been spelling Jakob incorrectly:

Just Answer Keluha Or Beat it


LOL thanks :)
I thought I had remembered reading some posts in which some people SWORE he was leaving Rachel's room...

@Meg: Yes, I love Kahlua too, and since my real name is Kelly, I just thought I'd change it to Keluha to suit me, ;) haha.

#217. Posted by: keluha at April 13, 2007 5:33 PM

IF.....
...this island is an entrance-way into other dimensions or time-lines, then it would be easy to get up-to-the-minute details on anyone's life because it's already happened and they can "see" it. This would also include being able to show press coverage of the missing flight to Juliet.
...Rachel is "cured" of her cancer, perhaps she and her son are also on the island, maybe in another "dimension", and Ben is keeping this from Juliet. What better revenge than for him to give that creepy smile and say "but she's always been here with you"! Also Rachel would then HAVE to stay on the island, or have her cancer return.
...there is a "worm-hole" entrance to the island, the Others would have a reason to keep that a secret and pretend that Juliet came in a 21st century accepted mode of transportation (ie submarine). Maybe that's why Ben doesn't care about the sub's destruction. But then, that doesn't go with Ben's spoken desire to get Desmond's sailboat no matter what.
...the actual island time is in the future, as opposed to the Losties' time which is 2004, then that could explain some of Desmond's "visions".
...something was implanted in Claire, why not Kate? And we don't know what the "quarantine" sign referred to in the original hatch yet.
...Jack has any knowledge of Juliet's work on the island, he must have figured out that eventually the Losties women will be taken by the Others for future attempts to produce babies, and he is trying to get Juliet (who will do this procedure) to look at them as "friends" rather than "experiments" to save his friends' lives.
Namaste

#218. Posted by: stontilam at April 13, 2007 5:36 PM

#4815162342

@keluha "I thought I had remembered reading some posts in which some people SWORE he was leaving Rachel's room..."

Could be. I really want to see that one again. It was up on the ABC site for the longest time but was taken down a while back. I'll have to wait for the DVD. :(

#219. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 13, 2007 5:41 PM

I don't know if anyone else already said this, but Juliet said that Ethan was only taking blood samples from Claire. But we can cleary see that he had been injecting Claire. Testing her, because I highly doubt they knew whatever they pumped in her would work. This would also explain why they weren't terrorizing this set of losties. They didn't want to stir anything up so they could continue to test Claire.

#220. Posted by: Jaki at April 13, 2007 7:33 PM

Holy Cow with all these coments this would be a good time to enter.....
************PREVIOUSLY ON LOST*********

ok my turn
Juliet As Killer Of Ben

Juliet Also Kills Others (for) Ben

Yeah I know Im reachin :)or
Previously on the Blog

#221. Posted by: abigerbang at April 13, 2007 7:50 PM

stupid thought?!

could Jack =Jacob he just doesn't know it yet but Ben does??

they always refer to him as a great man

#222. Posted by: art at April 13, 2007 8:24 PM

Okay...

Ben = Just Another Crazy Otherville Boss
Juliet = Just A Cool Otherville Babe
Tom (post-too many DHARMA cheeseburgers) = Just A Corpulent Otherville Blob
Pickett = Just A Corpse in Otherville, Brutha
Colleen = Just Another Corpse in Otherville, Brutha

#223. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 14, 2007 12:01 AM

Considering the question of whether ETHAN came out of RACHEL’s room in the NOT FROM PORTLAND episode:

I had the episode still on my DVR, so I checked it a moment ago.

In the scene, as Juliet is walking down the hallway, Ethan comes out of a door on the right side of the corridor. The next camera angle shows Juliet walking PAST that door and on down the hall. There is no visual evidence that Ethan was exiting Rachel’s room.

#224. Posted by: davidrh at April 14, 2007 8:35 AM

Not In Portland

#225. Posted by: sky at April 14, 2007 8:53 AM

#815

For all of us in the forum....

-Just Another Crowd Of Believers-

Namaste

#226. Posted by: Vikki at April 14, 2007 9:06 AM

OK, the symble on the tree is a cerilic symblo called a "dsch". Havetn been able to find out what It means yet. But its also the symble of the baseball team I play on here in Germany. You mentioned that its also what was branded on Juliet, can you tell me what episode please? Would love to go over it and see it. If you want to see what I mean, Google Heidelberg Hedgehogs, name of my team.
I wonder if Juliet wasnt place near the Losties cause Sun is pregos?
Also, can it be that her entire story of mothers dieing only has to do with the Others and they are interested to see why it doesnt affect the Losties? As far as we can tell the Island magical healing powers is still working on the Losties, but perhaps because they have been on the island so long, perhaps not on the Others anymore. Hmmm, something to consider.

#227. Posted by: Adrian at April 14, 2007 9:24 AM

curious:

Wikipedia says

DSCH is a musical motif used by the Russian composer Dmitri Shostakovich to represent himself, in the manner of the BACH motif of Johann Sebastian Bach. It consists of the notes D-E flat-C-B, or D-Es-C-H in German notation, standing for his initials (Д. Ш.) in German spelling (D. Sch.).

#228. Posted by: snow at April 14, 2007 10:01 AM

Excellent review as always Mac. Just like everyone else I'm still chuckling about Point 3!

OK, I just can't resist the JACOB thing any longer. When Juliet double-crosses Ben in the next couple eps:

Jack's Attitude Can Only Brighten

I'm really torn with what Juliet's intentions are. She really does want to get off the island, as was proven by her breakdown in Ben's kitchen when he told her no for the hundredth time. And there's no way she could've known Locke was going to 'blow up the sub', so I think she was as bummed out by that as Jack was.

So now she seems to be back in cahoots with Ben in some devious plan against Jack and the Lostie's. But when she told Jack she's already alone I agree with those who have said she's going to do what she has to do to for herself- not for Ben and not for Jack.

So if going along with Ben again for now will get her closer to going home, then she'll screw the Losties however she can. If double-crossing Ben will somehow allow her to get what she wants, then she'll do it too.

The interesting part of all this though is that she's a human being who can develop feelings for people. As some have said, she may develop a soft spot for the Losties for accepting her into their group...even though she manipulated them to gain their trust. So it'll be really interesting to see if she goes through with Ben's little plan or not...

If she does, she'll inevitably be caught- Jack will probably be the one to strangle her!

#229. Posted by: JoePike at April 14, 2007 1:23 PM

Not In Portland
→ Posted by: sky

In, Out, From, Too, Over, Under . . .

picky picky picky.

:-)


#230. Posted by: davidrh at April 14, 2007 1:26 PM

This was posted by a blogger on thetailsection.com:

In watching the scenes of 815's mid-air breakup on the monitors in the flame in slow motion, I noticed something that has been in front of our eyes since the Pilot. In fact, it's a scene we've seen repeatedly over the three seasons. The sight of a plume of black smoke in conjunction with a crashing airplane seems natural. But if you look closely, while the plane is moving forward, the black smoke plume is too. This is unnatural. The smoke should be moving in the opposite direction of the plane. Perhaps Des didn't cause 815 to crash after all?

#231. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 14, 2007 2:34 PM

First time "poster", long time reader...

I have a few theories that I want to share...

I think that there must be a larger island relatively nearby (less than 25 miles?), with a landing strip. The submarine makes trips too and from this island. and perhaps more Dharma facilities. Clearly Juliet and the others didn't travel by microsub to the middle of the South Pacific from the coast of Oregon or wherever they left from... She would have had to have been drugged for a LONG time, perhaps several days to a week. Perhaps this is where Ben sent Mike and Walt with the compass bearings he gave him.

I think that the balloon that the REAL Henry Gale crashed on the island is one of several. I think that these balloons are how the Dharma food drops arrive on the island. Perhaps they originate from Next week the promos hint that we will see some sort of aircraft... I think it will be a balloon.

I am of the opinion that Ben never had cancer, which is a suspicion that others have shared. Once Jack realized that there wasn't one after the incision, this could be why he "trusts" Juliet and knows that she is more likely to align with the Losties than the Others... the whole, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. We have to assume that Juliet's desire to kill Ben in the OR was real, although once Ben found out about it, I can't imagine that he would trust Juliet to follow through on another plan again... To think that this was just part of the whole "testing Jack" thing is hard to imagine. I can't rationalize that Ben would allow himself to be that vulnerable.

I think it is fairly obvious that Charlie will die soon... I also think that it will be Juliet that will kill him... I think he will stumble upon her con, and she will have to silence him. I actually think that Juliet's vicious knot-tying exercises at the end of the episode were an allusion to the rope that was tied around Charlie's neck in season 1. Let's think about this... there really isn't any way that Ethan could have kept Claire from escaping AND tried to commit hobbitcide without an accomplice. I think that accomplice was Juliet...

I think the focus of Juliet's mission does involve the pregnant Sun...

I also agree with those on this board who suspect that Juliet is also pregnant, and she knows that unless she leaves, she knows she only has six months to live, since she DID conceive on the island.

I think that the Others (and Locke) have headed for the other island that I theorize exists nearby. I can't speculate as to why, or why it would be necessary to gas the whole village first, unless it was just to simply allow the orchestration of the Juliet-Kate scenario. IF the sub is indeed destroyed (and I believe it is) then perhaps Ben could have journeyed to the other island using the aforementioned balloons.

To explain why Rousseau & Ben's mother (who I think WILL turn out to be Amelia Earhart and the same elderly lady at the book club) gave birth okay, we can draw from the Lost Experience and postulate that Hanso may have once used the bio-engineered virus on the island population as a control, or perhaps it was accidentally unleashed during a lab accident. The vaccine (the bottles bearing the NUMBERS) may actually have yeilded the side effects that have led to the "Evil Baby Syndrome." This could explain why people once got sick (like when Rousseau arrived), but no longer do so.

Despte the obvious misdirection coming from Mikhail, I think that the Others ARE Dharma. I think that the Hostiles that were mentioned are an entirely different contingent of people that will be the focus of Season 4. Let's not forget that when we first encountered the Others, there were all wearing ragged clothing and disguises. We can't assume that these (and the fake village we saw at the end of Season 2) were invented for the Losties benefit. The others are likely at war with another faction (which is why Mikhail was so antsy) and why there was a need for the defense system, which also happens to be a Smoky-repellant. In fact, perhaps some of the "Others" we thought we have seen were actually this other faction, which might be made up of former-Dharma employees (led by the DeGroots?), or maybe even indigenous people that were the descendants of the Black Rock survivors. Maybe the aforementioned virus was used as a weapon against them after the "Uprising".

That's all I got... let me know what you think!

#232. Posted by: Dwayne Stevens at April 14, 2007 4:36 PM

How about the love story?

It looks like Jack has fallen in love with Juliet. The way he protects her and looks at her. What do you think?

Talking about Claire's implants. Why do you think the others would add implant in her body? They could have activated them long before...What's the point?

I am trying to remember the episode of Claire in the hospital, when Alex, rescues her and tells her to leave because they are planning to kill Claire.
Why would the dharma plan to kill claire and keep the baby? why did they steal Alex from Rousseau, and why did they still waltt from mickael?
what is it with the children? is it because their community can't have children that they steal them?

I dont think they were trying to save claire.

#233. Posted by: Helene at April 14, 2007 5:47 PM

me again...
Actually, thinking back to the episode of Claire, ethan and alex in the hospital:
When Alex tells claire : "they are going to do it tonight". We might think that they want to kill claire and save the baby through a cesarian. Maybe they decide to do so because they don't have enough vaccin to continue. Claire is about to give birth, she is fine so may be the cesarian is a way of keeping her and the baby alive.
On another hand, if Alex tells her 'one day you will thank me' it means that she is in danger. It is rather confusing

PS ; sorry my english is no very good, I am french. This blog is definitively the best one on the net. French ones are very poor.

In France they show season 2 on TV this year !!!! If I had not found a way of watching season 3...I would be really frustrated! When you are able to watch the shows on wednesday I can only see them on saturdays...hard to wait...

#234. Posted by: helene at April 14, 2007 6:30 PM

Ben really did have a tumor. Juliet diagnosed it, Jack confirmed it on his own, Jack removed it during surgery, then did the extra cut he had to repair for Ben to live. Theorizing away the tumor is really reading too much into it. The producers can't be fooling us on everything!

The mystery is why Ben got the tumor on the 'cancer free' island and how Locke/Rose are able to harness the island's healing powers. Ben will learn from Locke. But he really did have a tumor independent from the Losties and the plane crashing.

#235. Posted by: JoePike at April 14, 2007 7:02 PM

Jacob's son is Benjamin in the bible
Ethan, Rachel and probably more are names from the bible.

#236. Posted by: nice at April 14, 2007 7:26 PM

@Dwayne Stevens

I think that there must be a larger island relatively nearby (less than 25 miles?), with a landing strip. The submarine makes trips too and from this island. and perhaps more Dharma facilities. Clearly Juliet and the others didn't travel by microsub to the middle of the South Pacific from the coast of Oregon or wherever they left from...

Or the island is in the little-known tropical climate off the Columbia River delta...

I posted last week that the only reason I could see that arrival was by submarine was to conceal something about how they got to the island. With someone above's clever catch of

"Herarat Aviation" =
"Earth: A Variation"

I'm beginning to wonder seriously if the writers are going for some kind of Alternate Worlds explanation. Maybe the transition IS seriously "bumpy" as ethan said - maybe you really do need to be sedated.

#237. Posted by: Ceecil Rose at April 14, 2007 11:46 PM

it seemed Ben was very optimistic to whether there would be a pregnant woman on the plane. "hey, who knows? Maybe there'll be a pregnant woman on the plane" or something to that affect. Perhaps he knew previously about the plane crash and information about the victims?!?!

#238. Posted by: ross at April 15, 2007 2:33 PM

KaytieD - Re: Juliet & Goodwin - I actually thought it was going to be Ethan. He was fixing something at her bungalow in the season opener that screamed couple hood to me. As usual, I was wrong though.

Keluha – Too true re: at least one other group on the island! This served to back up Mikhail’s yelling at Sayid & Co when they arrived at The Flame

April – Was it actually stated on the show that the babies were rejected as cancer? I honestly don’t remember but if that is the case then wouldn’t the result be dead babies and not dead mothers.

Why go to an airport to get on a sub?

When Juliet tells Jack about handcuffing herself to Kate doesn’t it seem like she’s telling Jack something he already know this?! Why would he already know this if he was gassed too?!? What else does Jack know?!

Namaste people!

#239. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at April 15, 2007 4:53 PM

Just throwing it out there, but has anyone come to the conclusion that this island is "Utopia"? All these researchers could simply be trying to use it's environment to create something like perfect humans incapable of catching diseases, who live longer...

#240. Posted by: hanxthre at April 16, 2007 1:47 AM

@Sillygirl0630

About the plume of smoke when the plane broke up over the island:
If this is Smokey and Smokey can crash a plane, why can't he go over a fence?

Sorry to bring up the whole fence thing again!

Also if you have to go through a wormhole or something to reach the island then how do boats and planes crash there on a fairly frequent basis?

#241. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 16, 2007 9:16 AM

@ Crispy Seaplanes (they are magically delicious), maybe the crashing planes are going through the wormhole by mistake, and since they are illprepared to handle the bumpy ride they crash. Perhaps the wormhole sucks them in. I am beginning to like this wormhole idea. It would explain why people are warned that they could "never find the island again".

#242. Posted by: meg at April 16, 2007 10:04 AM

Just re-watched the last part of the ep again, and I'm convinced that Smokey was not involved with the plane crash. Looked to me like normal smoke plume coming off a plane with problems.

What's still crazy to me is how the Others apparently had nothing to do with the plane crashing or bringing it to the island or with who was on board. All these connections and coincidences between the Losties are independent of Ben & Co, as are the 'number' coincidences with Hurley etc. So what island mystical-magical force caused all of that to happen? I hope the writers explain it to our satisfaction before the show is done. Wishful thinking?

What would cause big trouble on the show:

Juliet And Cooper Obey Ben

#243. Posted by: JoePike at April 16, 2007 10:37 AM

@John K & Dwayne Stevens:
About "Amelia" being the old lady at the book club - I re-watched that scene from the first episode of season 3 and they never mentioned her name. Has she been seen elsewhere or why else does anyone think her name is Amelia?


This episode was a cracker - can't wait for the next!

#244. Posted by: Sunaholic at April 16, 2007 10:48 AM

not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but unless i have my chronology screwed up, Ben showed Juliet's sister Rachel 'live' on September 22, 2004. I am assuming this took place after they had Jack in custody and after they had returned from Alcatraz. If this is so, he had already showed Jack the Red Sox winning the World Series which took place on October 27th of 2004 - a month after the 'live' shot of Rachel...Does this make sense to anyone else or do you think their trip to the Flame took place before they had Jack in custody?

#245. Posted by: scooby1 at April 16, 2007 11:08 AM

@ Scooby1-
You have your chronology screwed up... Sept 22, 2004 is right after the plane crashed, Jack hasn't been to Alcatraz yet, and won't be for about 2 months.

#246. Posted by: sarah c at April 16, 2007 11:12 AM

@ scooby1
Yes, Ben did show Juliette the live feed of September 22, but it was in one of the flashbacks. Island time is close to mid December, certainly after Jack learned that the Red Sox won the World Series.

#247. Posted by: onelostdude at April 16, 2007 11:16 AM

Any suggestions for the question of the week? Bring 'em......

#248. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 16, 2007 12:10 PM

Hi,new to the blog and it’s great…

This episode was as brilliant as it was frustrating and to me personally dissapointing in a way (Not the ep but the revelation)…

I’ll just cut the crap and get right to it…

While we don’t know everything and can only piece a few things together it seems this “island” is indeed JUST a research facility/experiment of some sort…Any thoughts of it maybe being some spiritial or supernatural hidden place with no connection to reality was shattered with this ep…What I loved about the island was the mystery of it’s origin but now it seems that this is all some man-made or man-infested scenerio…Yeah there may be a wormhole or an anomoly, but this episode suggests that Ben and a selective group of “The Others” knows what this place is, how to get there and how to get back if need be…So I guess I’m a bit dissapointed that (atleast for now) we are operating on the assumption that this island is easily connected to the outside world…That’s kind of a bummer for me and some of my theories…

What I can piece together based on this ep goes as follows…

-Juliet (ruling out manipulation here) was probably drugged so she wouldn’t learn about passing thru the worm-hole via the sub

-The entire project of Ben’s group pertains to finding an absolute cure to cancer and/or fertility

-Contact to the outside world isn’t only availible but seems to be an easy given
(This totally kills my enthusiam for us seeing Locke’s dad since I suspect some detectives just brought him to the island rather than him just appearing in “the box”)

-Juliet isn’t evil she’s just playing any and every game that is presented to her with the goal of giving herself whatever option she may need to get off the island (Why burn bridges with Ben when you can play both sides vs. the middle and take the side of whoever can get you the hell off that island first?)

As for Juliet I truley think she dispises Ben and regardless of him saving her sister, the way he has lied and manipulated her and how he is basically using her love for her sister as a weapon is to blame for this…

The only question I have is was the sub-explosion from a few weeks ago even real in the first place? Was Juliet in on that or did she decide to gravitate back towards Ben after it happened? Juliet is indeed a very interesting character and the way they made us love and trust her before they made many of us hate her is probably the true life she leads on that island…

My super dooper crazy theory that’s probably not close to being true is that the island is far, faaaaaaaaaar in the future and probably the only place left in civilization and they have to find a solution for stabalizing fertility or ending cancer to have a chance at not becoming extinct…They go back and forth thru the worm-hole bringing in specialist in an attempt to stop civilization from somehow getting to this point…Yeah nuts huh??

#249. Posted by: Wingman at April 16, 2007 12:31 PM

Red...Neck...Man :

Why can't Smoky go over the fence?

The secret story behind Rose and Bernard's mysterious disappearance.

What were Nikki's final thoughts as sand was being dumped upon her open eyes?

Where did the Others go?

#250. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 16, 2007 12:46 PM

→ Posted by: davidrh: The next camera angle shows Juliet walking PAST that door and on down the hall. There is no visual evidence that Ethan was exiting Rachel’s room.

Thanks David for the clarification.

After reading some of the other posts, I think I am going to be sorely disappointed if "Lost Island" turns out to be something supernatural or relatively impossible. I am hoping for something more 'real.'

#251. Posted by: keluha at April 16, 2007 2:35 PM

#8 (Bunny)

Juliet = Just Another Crazy Other B*tch

She really showed her "true" colors this epi. Loved it and loved your review as always mac. Thanks Artz for the acronym game. How'd I do?

#252. Posted by: bunnylover at April 16, 2007 3:48 PM

@Mike L - Why would Juliet even come close to even allowing herself to get preggos knowing what she knew?? If she just let Goodwin get all up in her with no condom at all knowing pregnent women die on that island she's not as bright as she most certainley appears to be...

#253. Posted by: Wingman at April 16, 2007 5:59 PM

@ Wingman: Why not? She had no problem using her sister as a guinnea pig back on the mainland. Why wouldn't she have the gusto to go ahead and use herself as a test? I would assume she would have the same unwaivering confidence towards success that she did with her sis.

#254. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 16, 2007 6:28 PM

^RedNeckMan I hear what you are saying, but making your cancerous sister a test subject when she has nothing to lose in the REALWORLD is one thing...Making yourself a test-subject on the "Better off being a VIRGIN ISLANDS" is another thing...Juliet has suffered and tormented herself over all the women who have died...Why would she just allow this to happen to herself? And even if by the slimmest of margins she did want a baby, how would she know that baby would be safe and not used in more experiments or taken away from her by Ben or Jacob or even Goodwin for "the greater good"? A baby could be an even better bargaining chip for Ben than her sister...So all in all I pretty much reject the idea that Juliet's preggos, because I can't see her being that careless...

#255. Posted by: Wingman at April 16, 2007 8:02 PM

no acronym, but a possible last name for jacob, keeping in lost tradition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Bohme

#256. Posted by: a robot by the river at April 17, 2007 2:48 AM

No acronym, but a potential last name for jacob could be bohme. In checking "jacob bohme" on wikipedia there are some character traits and general philosophy that seem conistant with the naming of lost characters. Sorry if this has been mentioned already.

#257. Posted by: a robot by the river at April 17, 2007 3:10 AM

@Wingman "Virgin Islands"

LOL - Classic!

What a good idea. I bet we could play "Name that Island"

Desmond might refer to them as the "Keys"
Roger Work Man might call it Road Island
Hurley - "MadatGasCar" (Ok, I know, technically it was a van...)
Kate's original travel buddy might call it the Marshall Islands
Locke - St Johns
Adam & Eve - the Caveman Islands
Eko's Brother - St Boy
Kate (assuming she has cute feet) - BarBaitToes
Klough - (after the place she took the 4 hostages) - EastTier Island

#258. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 17, 2007 9:15 AM

since lost is the type of show were you expect the unexpected, i am going to just put it out there and suggest that "jacob" is a woman. that's right, i think jacob could be a woman. :) have there been any references to jacob as a him or he?

that's my crazy theory and i'm sticking with it until proven otherwise.

have a great day everyone! :)

#259. Posted by: tiffani at April 17, 2007 9:21 AM

Jacob has been referred to as him, as recently as the last episode. (Of course that's assuming Ben is telling the truth...) Ben told Juliet that Jacob HIMSELF would cure her sister. Sorry Tiffani. ;-)

#260. Posted by: hookedonlost at April 17, 2007 9:41 AM

*****SPOILER******

Well, not really I guess. Just a little tidbit I heard today on the official Lost podcast by the exec. producers concerning the persistent question of why Smokey didn't go over the fence.

They didn't have a definitive answer...

They said things like (paraphrasing) "Smoke monsters can't jump...the Dharma Initiative found that the sonic barrier is an effective way to repel the Smoke Monster...so it's not very smart?...Well, even things that are smart have weaknesses...are we sure that it can fully detach from the ground?..."

In summary, they really tiptoed around the issue, theorizing and coming up with semi-valid reasons why Smokey didn't go over. In other words, they don't know- there is no single solid correct answer.

In my opinion it's just something we have to accept...with this being a fictional made up as they go along show. And with them making up Smokey as they go along too!

#261. Posted by: JoePike at April 17, 2007 10:37 AM

@meg

Thank you for noticing that Crispy Seaplanes are indeed "magically delicious"! Another satisfied customer!

#262. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 17, 2007 4:46 PM

After watching the scene where Rachel is playing with Julian on the "Live Feed" I had a (possible) revelation:

The plane crash occurred on September 22nd. When it's 12 noon in Sydney, it's 10pm in Miami (where the feed was originating) on SEPTEMBER 21ST. Now I don't know what time the plane actually crashed but since they left with the sun shining and were probably in the air for a few hours it was probably late morning or early afternoon when the plane crashed. It begs to reason then that they couldn't have a live feed with the sun shining in Miami when the sun was also shining on the island (which we're assuming is the Pacific Ocean). It seems to me that the math doesn't add up. Yes the date-line makes me dizzy.

And since Ben is a master manipulator, he could have easily planned this "Live Feed" in advance. He purposefully points at the date so that Juliet ignores the rest of the newspaper's content. If it has today's date, it must be true is what he wants her to believe. Juliet couldn't know if the newspaper was accurate anyway since she has no contact with outside world. The perfect ruse.

In other words: BEN = LIAR

#263. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 17, 2007 10:49 PM

→ Posted by: davidrh: The next camera angle shows Juliet walking PAST that door and on down the hall. There is no visual evidence that Ethan was exiting Rachel’s room.

Since posting that item days ago, I realized that we've all overlooked one obvious thing . . . If Juliet actually saw Ethan come out of her sister's room - because she DID see him exiting A room - then wouldn't the first thing she would have said to her sister have been, "So who was that guy coming out of your room?"

o yeah . . we're a bunch of sharp video detectives, aren't we?


duh.

#264. Posted by: davidrh at April 18, 2007 8:18 AM

This is a good place to point out what we see happen each week. The postings and comments go tangent! We get carried away having fun (this is all good, too). It points out how valuable mac's summary is, as he stays in focus to the LOST story, including the preceding episodes.

This week we have not come up with a plausible explaination for why Ben/Juliet/Ethan originally had Claire implanted with a device that could be triggered electronically, but nuetralized with a needle (chemically or biologically). And, why is Juliet really in the Losties camp...or how can we expect her stay to end in five days?

We need a crystal ball - my brain hurts!

Note: ABC is going to rerun last week’s episode at 9PM.

#265. Posted by: JT at April 18, 2007 11:42 AM

@bcre8ve---(holy crap...i just realized what your name meant when i spelled it just now) I was gonna ask, based on your creativity, if you happen to be a writer/artist?

I really hope that the writers aren't going with the "wormhole" angle. IMHO that theory ruins the show because almost every bit of mystery can be explained away too easily. I dispute the idea that Smokey brought down the plane also. It couldnt get lift off to clear the fence; It seems to like the ground.

Just Assume Cancer Overpowers Ben(nsylvania)

#266. Posted by: kilorooster at April 18, 2007 1:27 PM

@JT,

"This week we have not come up with a plausible explaination for why Ben/Juliet/Ethan originally had Claire implanted with a device that could be triggered electronically, but nuetralized with a needle (chemically or biologically)."

I think that stunt was nothing more than a plot device for getting the writers' bacon out of the fire over the incredulousness of Juliet going to the Lost camp. We start with the writers brainstorming because they're running out of ideas on where to take this thing...

"Ok, let's have Juliet go back to the Losties camp."

"Excellent! We'll figure out why she goes there later, but what do we do about the reaction that the Losties will have towards her? She's an Other, after all."

"And, don't forget, we need some way to keep Sayid from trying to get any answers out of her."

"Hmmmmm, couldn't they just ignore her like everyone ignored it when Hurley found a car?"

"I don't think that even we can go to that well again."

"Ok, let's have her do something and then everyone will like her and forget she's an Other."

"How about this, she is a doctor, we can have her perform some miracle cure."

"Yeah! Let's have Claire get sick."

"Beautiful, but how? And how can Juliet cure her?"

"I've got it! We can say Ethan implanted something in her that can be triggered by remote control!"

"Implants?! I thought those were real."

"Excellent! Ben can trigger it from his multimedia mad scientist control room."

"But how will she cure Claire? There are no medical supplies on the beach."

"Oh, that's the easiest. We'll just say that Ben will have supplies cached near the camp."

"Even better, we can say the stash was previously used by Ethan back in the first season. The viewers will think we had planned this all along!"

"Awesome! Let's go to lunch."

"One of these days we're going to have to figure out what Juliet is doing in camp."

"Yeah right, right after we figure out what that column of smoke was in the first season finale."

#267. Posted by: Darryl at April 18, 2007 1:50 PM

@kilorooster "@bcre8ve---(holy crap...i just realized what your name meant when i spelled it just now) I was gonna ask, based on your creativity, if you happen to be a writer/artist?"

Yes, artist. I chose the name because I like to encourage others (not *the* "Others", but people besides myself, you know what I mean...) to fan the flame of their creativity, to think outside of the box, to look beyond the obvious, and to .

"kilorooster?" I take it you're not a 1,000 gram* male fowl (of the Gallus gallus domesticus/ species?) Is there a story there?

* For those that live in the US, 1,000 grams (1 kilogram) = 2.25 pounds. For those that live in the UK, 2.25 pounds is a pretty good price for a chicken dinner.

#268. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 18, 2007 3:34 PM

@bcre8ve "...I like to encourage others... to fan the flame of their creativity, to think outside of the box, to look beyond the obvious, and to ."

That should have read:

"... I like to encourage others... to fan the flame of their creativity, to think outside of the box, to look beyond the obvious, and to [insert more overused cliches here]."

Darn "Post" button itchy finger! (Sorry, it's Lostday, I'm kinda giddy.)

#269. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 18, 2007 3:46 PM

@bcre8ve..."and to...."

--go the extra mile
--stand out amongst the crowd
--be an individual
--express yourself
Just Apply Creativity Over Basicity

#270. Posted by: kilorooster at April 18, 2007 8:26 PM

Exactly!

#271. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 19, 2007 1:30 AM

3-16 - One of Us

Juliet saves Claire
Or so it would seem, perhaps
Another plot looms...

#272. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 23, 2008 2:40 AM