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Key Points from "D.O.C."

Season 3, Episode 18
Episode Air Date: 04/25/07

Point 1
Sun

Juliet
It's becoming readily apparent that the "Lost" crew is much smarter than me (but I'm sure you already knew that).

Case in point: When Sun's pregnancy was first revealed in "The Whole Truth" I figured it to be a melodramatic secondary plot that sorta-kinda justified Sun and Jin's continued presence on the island. What I didn't expect is that the core question of this plot line -- i.e. Who's the Daddy? -- would plug directly into one of the island's larger mysteries. Nor did I anticipate the paternity question would be addressed anytime soon.

But the "Losties" surprised me again. And that's a good thing.

So let's recap.

The episode opens with an odd exchange between Jack and Sun in Sun's secret garden (which has now been rebuilt 10 times). Under the guise of "helpful neighborhood doctor," Jack swings by to ask Sun about her pregnancy. But Sun's no fool. She may seem sweet and kind, but Sun's bloodline is pockmarked with criminal duplicity (courtesy of her father, Mr. Paik), so she knows a ruse when she sees it. And this thing with Jack ... it's a ruse.

Following the Jack exchange, Sun goes to Kate because they're BFFs and, more importantly, Sun knows she can pry information out of her. Sun gets things rolling with a suggestion that Jack may have been turned by the Others -- "How do we know he isn't working with them?" she asks. It's a brief bit of dialog, but it's an important moment: never before has Jack's loyalty been overtly questioned.

Kate initially defends Jack, but his dalliance with trampy Juliet and that evil handshake he shared with Ben ("The Man from Tallahassee") have planted doubt in Katie's tween mind, and the doubt quickly manifests itself as a revelation. She tells Sun that Juliet is a fertility doctor (useful) and the Others kidnapped Claire because they wanted her baby for research (not so useful).

Sun goes on the warpath. She finds Juliet at the camp watering hole/urinal and demands immediate answers. "I want to know about your research," Sun seethes.

Juliet's eyes settle into her Jedi "I'm not here, I'm in Miami" look.

But Sun is immune to Juliet's mind tricks. "Why are you taking children?" Sun spits. "What happens to pregnant women?"

Juliet knows the jig is up.

"They die," she says coldly. "They all die."

Sun wasn't expecting that answer. Her anger turns to fear. Juliet returns to the urine trough.

But this isn't over.

Later that night, Sun sleeps alone in her tent (Jin is still on his camping trip/rescue expedition), so Juliet sneaks in and clamps her hand over Sun's mouth. This seems like an odd way to treat a pregnant woman, but Juliet learned this technique from esteemed mentor Dr. Cliff Huxtable.

Juliet is in her pissy/evil mood. In no uncertain terms, she tells Sun that if she wants help -- if she wants to cling to one last sliver of hope -- she needs to accompany Juliet on a secret trip.

Juliet's bedside manner leaves something to be desired (Who'd she learn it from? Jack?), but her argument is compelling. Sun agrees and so the duo goes tromping through the jungle to revisit the abandoned medical hatch.

Remember this thing? Kate, Claire and Rousseau rummaged around the decrepit medical hatch in "Maternity Leave," but their only significant discovery was a fake beard and natty old clothing (aka "Other Hobo Gear"). Sun knows about this hatch -- she claims Kate and Claire told her about it (when did the castaways start communicating?) -- but, to Sun's knowledge, the hatch is abandoned and useless.

Or is it?

Upon arriving, Juliet flips on the lights -- she's clearly spent a lot of time in this place. Sun blinks as the hatch's fluorescent bulbs spark to life. The gravity of the situation starts to settle in. She asks Juliet why she's helping her. This is when we get a glimpse of the kind Dr. Juliet Burke.

"Once upon a time, I told women that they were pregnant and their faces ... it was the best news they ever got in their entire life," Juliet says, smiling.

But her smile disappears. She tells Sun that she's lost nine island patients in the last three years and, for once, she wants to give someone good news (and, presumably, she wants to remember what it's like to be a regular doctor with a regular job instead of an island priestess held captive by a bug-eyed megalomaniac).

Unfortunately, there's a wee problem with the "good news." As we discovered in "One of Us," a pregnant woman's island survival is tied to her conception date. If her child was conceived off the island, she'll probably live (e.g. Claire), but if babymaking took place on the island, both mother and child are very, very screwed.

Juliet tells Sun all this and Sun immediately realizes she's in a pickle. Since there's no one else to talk to and Juliet has shown a willingness to help, Sun reveals that she had an affair before coming to the island ("The Glass Ballerina"). That means, if Juliet determines the baby was conceived before the plane crash, Sun will live, but the baby won't be Jin's. On the flip side, if the baby was conceived during island time, the baby is Jin's, but Sun and the baby are both goners.

Sidenote: Isn't option A (the baby isn't Jin's) a little better than option B (Sun and the baby die)? Sun seems to think they're equal, which doesn't make much sense to me. Of course, I'm applying reason to a TV show that features a shape-shifting smoke monster. So maybe my point is moot.

Moving on ...

After their heart-to-heart, Juliet guides Sun to the hatch's locker room. This is the same spot where Kate found the discarded hobo gear. What Kate didn't find was a secret lever that opens a secret door to a secret room.

Juliet opens a locker and pulls down on a creaky metal switch. Deep rumbling echoes through the hatch as a locker room wall shifts and a heavy blast door slowly cracks open. Juliet guides Sun toward the door.

We've seen this room before. This is where Claire was kept after Ethan kidnapped her. Back then, the room looked like a nursery, but now the baby furniture and decorations are stacked in a corner. Standing in the doorway, Sun looks over the room and asks Juliet where they are.

Juliet pauses. Her icy demeanor is gone.

"It's where we brought the women to die," Juliet says quietly.

Nice. C'mon in and let's take a looksie at that demon spawn of yours!

Juliet organizes the room and whips out an ultrasound machine (because that's a perfectly reasonable thing to have on a remote tropical island). As Jules preps, Sun tells her there's really no way Jin is the father. He's as sterile as a Lysol puddle ("The Whole Truth").

And this is when dorky Dr. Burke shows up to instruct us on the finer points of sperm counts. She tells Sun that the average sperm count is between 60 and 80 million ("Jeopardy" fact!). But here's the kicker: on this island, the sperm count is 5 times the average.

Good lord. No wonder the island is killing off pregnant women! With fertility like that, the island's population would crack 200 million in 5 years.

Juliet fires up the ultrasound and switches into Kind Doctor Mode. She slides the ultrasound wand over Sun's stomach and, within seconds, that familiar whoosh whoosh whoosh noise emerges. Sun beams. She knows this is a crappy situation, but dammit, that's a baby and there's just no way to feel bad when you see that squirmy little miracle appear on an ultrasound screen.

Jules and Sun share a moment, and for a brief second, things are good.

But there's work to do. Juliet turns toward the ultrasound and performs a few calculations.

The envelope please ...

"You crashed here 90 days ago," Juliet says. "The baby was conceived about 8 weeks ago. You got pregnant on the island."

Woo! The baby is Jin's!

Crap! The baby is Jin's.

Sun weeps. Juliet's face drops, but Sun looks up. She's happy. She's happy because the baby is Jin's.

Sometime later, Sun and Juliet leave the hatch, but once outside Juliet says she wants to backtrack to make sure she didn't leave any evidence lying around (like a recently used ultrasound machine and date-of-conception documentation). Sun waits outside while Juliet darts back into hatch.

Juliet moves into the locker room and reaches into a locker. There's a tape recorder inside. She hits the record button.

What the?

"Ben, it's 6 a.m. on Saturday morning," Juliet says, speaking into the recorder.

"Kwon is pregnant. The fetus is healthy and was conceived on-island with her husband. They were sterile before they got here."

Sonofabitch

"I'm still working on getting samples from the other women. I should have Austin's soon. I'll report back when I know more."

WHAT-WHAT-WHAT? Austin=Kate. They set her up! The dress! The bear cages! The Roofies in the fish biscuits!

Juliet snaps the recorder off. And this is when we get a hint of things to come.

"I hate you," she says out loud, referring to Ben.

Ah-ha! Juliet is alone. The recorder was off. It's an honest moment and, more importantly, it suggests that Ben is forcing Juliet to double-cross the castaways. But why? And how?

Point 2
Sun

Jin
Prior to this episode, the Sun-Jin backstory seemed straightforward. They were a star-crossed pair from different sides of the tracks who drifted apart when family obligations got in the way. Toss in a rich/powerful father, a dash of violence, a suicide, and an extramarital affair and you've got yourself a nice little soap opera.

But in this episode, we learn there's a much deeper level of complication in Sun and Jin's relationship.

So here's what we learn:

  • In the early days of their marriage, Sun and Jin were the epitome of lovey dovey. But Sun's chance encounter with Jin's mother -- whom she and he both believed was dead -- throws a massive monkeywrench into their marital bliss. See, Jin's mom was a ho. LIterally. He was born to a village prostitute and raised by a kind old fisherman who may or may not be his father (more on this later). Problem is, Jin doesn't know his mother was the "village entertainer" -- his father only told him that his mother died soon after he was born. (Sun learns all this during a secret visit with Jin's father.)

    Ahh, but Ho-Mom knows Sun is rich, so she tracks Sun down and threatens to reveal the Big Secret -- and dishonor Jin -- unless Sun coughs up $100,000.

  • Sun visits her father, Mr. Paik, and asks him for the $100k. Daddy Paik wants to know what his daughter plans to do with such a large wad of cash, but Sun resists. Instead, she uses one of Daddy's favorite tricks: blackmail. Sun knows full well that Mr. Paik isn't "just" an auto magnate. She also knows about his sinister dealings. So she tells daddy that for a one-time payment of $100,000, she'll gladly forget about all the bad stuff. Without saying a word, Paik opens his desk safe and puts $100k into an envelope. And this is when things take a tragic turn.

    Paik knows the $100k has something to do with Jin, so he tell Sun that this debt is on him. Jin will need to "work off" the debt -- and "work off" doesn't refer to the low-level factory job Jin currently holds in Paik's organization.

    Sun accepts the money and seals the deal ... and seals Jin's fate. She's the reason Jin was looped into Paik's dirty deeds!

    Let's consider this for a moment. Prior to this revelation, it seemed that Jin had sorta willingly joined up with Paik's criminal element. Sure, he did it so he could provide for Sun, but the choice appeared to be his. But now we know that wasn't the case. Sun's desire to protect Jin's honor, and her subsequent deal with her father, forced Jin into Paik's web -- and Jin doesn't even know about it! Moreover, Sun knows she instigated Jin's criminal life and, despite this, she cheated on him and she plotted to leave him. Sun wasn't the victim. Jin was!

  • Shortly after her meeting with daddy, Jin discovers the cash envelope in Sun's purse and Sun whips up a lame story about wanting to buy furniture, blah, blah, blah. Because they're newlyweds and Jin is more focused on what his wife is wearing than what she's saying, he accepts the excuse and asks, in a very nice way, that she allow him to be the provider. Sun agrees to return the money to her father.

    But remember, Sun has no problem lying (as a little girl, her lies led to the firing of a family maid). She meets up with Ho-Mom and hands over the envelope. Sun's angry. You don't want to get Sun angry.

    She asks Ho-Mom why she didn't tell Sun that she's Jin's mother (Ho-Mom never mentioned her relationship to Jin, she just threatened to expose it).

    "I gave birth to him, but that doesn't make me his mother," Ho-Mom snaps.

    And this is when Sun shows just how badass she truly is.

    "You know how powerful my family is," Sun says with one eyebrow raised. "My husband believes you're dead. Don't force me to make that a reality."

    Whoa. Sawyer better watch his back ...

Sidenote: Jin's questionable lineage has to be a set up for something bigger. To date, Jin's fisherman dad is the series' only decent father figure, and you just know the writers aren't going to let that stand. So, who is Jin's real dad? When will he appear on the island? Could Jin and Sun share more than a marital connection? (I hope not ... inadvertent incest is best left to indie films and bad literature, not "Lost.")

Point 3
Desmond

Hurley

Jin

Charlie

At the end of last week's episode, Desmond had just unmasked the "pilot" who parachuted onto the island and got stuck in a tree. As this episode opens, the pilot is still alive, but she's in rough shape -- a nasty nub of tree branch is shoved into her lung and she's moving in and out of consciousness.

The boys all agree that Tree Girl needs to be saved, but they argue about the best way to make that happen. Desmond volunteers to run back to camp and get Jack, but Charlie blocks his path, citing the dangers of running through an Other-infested jungle (Charlie is also concerned about his "life keeper" abandoning him).

"Nobody knows we're here!" Desmond says, defending their relative safety.

BOOM!

A flare arcs high into the air and explodes over their location. Desmond, Charlie and Jin look down at Hurley. Smoke wafts from a flare gun clutched in Hurley's hand.

"Whoops," Hurley says sheepishly.

The boys continue to argue (little known fact: extended debate is a recognized treatment for lung punctures), but their sniping is soon interrupted by the sound of nearby footsteps. The group falls silent. The footsteps grow louder. Desmond reaches for his machete.

A man emerges from the brush.

OH... MY ... GOD

Mikhail Bakunin! It's Mikhail Friggin Bakunin! The sonic death fence didn't kill him! How? Why?

But there's no time for questions. Bakunin realizes he's made a mistake following the flare, so he turns and darts back into the trees.

Jin -- who's suddenly become the island's action hero -- runs after Bakunin and easily catches him. The two tussle and for a moment it seems Bakunin has the drop, but Jin unloads a stunning series of punches and blocks. Bakunin staggers back. Jin whips his leg through the air and cracks Bakunin across the jaw!

Jin = Baaaaad man.

Desmond and Charlie arrive moments later and help haul Bakunin back toward the dying Tree Girl (it makes sense; she probably should be monitored).

Desmond shoves the flare gun into Bakunin's chest and demands answers, but Bakunin doesn't say a word. Charlie recognizes ol' Mikhail as the guy Locke shoved into the sonic death fence (again -- when did the castaways start talking?).

The interrogation is interrupted by Tree Girl. She mutters something in Italian. The castaways are confused.

"She says she's dying and needs help," Bakunin notes. The boys look incredulously at their captive. Bakunin senses an opening, so he offers his services as a field medic.

And with that, the boys step back and let Bakunin examine their fallen Tree Girl. After a cursory exam, Bakunin notices the wooden nub protruding from Tree Girl's side.

"Well, there's yer problem," Bakunin says, twirling a toothpick. "She's got a branch shoved in 'er lung."

Bakunin knows the power just shifted in his direction, so he makes a deal with Desmond: He'll fix up Tree Girl, but the boys need to let him walk away. Desmond agrees. This girl fell from the sky clutching a picture of his beloved Penny; there's no way she's going to die on his watch.

Bakunin morphs into the Medical MacGuyver. Using a syringe, a dab of gauze and a banana peel, he ventilates Tree Girl's lung and successfully extracts the tree nub.

Tree Girl screams, but the worst has passed. As her consciousness fades, she looks at Bakunin and says something in Russian. The boys look on, confused. Bakunin claims she thanked him (can anyone confirm this?).

Tree Girl passes out and Bakunin says she'll be better in a day or so. Charlie scoffs -- the woman just had her lung punctured by a tree, how could she possibly recover in a day?

"On this island, the wounds are a bit different ... maybe a day and a half," Bakunin says with a slight smile.

What's that, Mikhail? Different wounds? Might you be alluding to your own recovery from a SONIC BRAIN HEMORRHAGE?

Unfortunately (but not unexpectedly), none of the castaways pursue the comment and the topic is dropped. Bakunin moves to leave, but Charlie blocks his path. He's sick of letting these damn Others escape. Desmond overrules Charlie, claiming they gave their word. Bakunin smirks at Charlie and departs.

But Action Jin is still on the case. He knows something is wrong, so he shuffles through Desmond's bag and discovers that the broken satellite phone is missing (remember: Tree Girl came with a satellite phone, but its batteries are dead). Jin, Charlie and Desmond rush after Bakunin and easily catch him. He coughs up the phone, but Charlie is gunning for a fight. Bakunin provokes him, but Jin and Desmond hold him back and allow Bakunin to depart.

The next morning, Jin, Charlie and Desmond construct a makeshift stretcher for Tree Girl while Hurley watches over their still-unconscious patient. Tree Girl stirs and opens her eyes. She asks the requisite questions:

"Where am I?" Answer: an island

"Who are you?" Answer: Hugo Reyes, a survivor of Oceanic 815.

And this is when things get very interesting.

The mention of 815 spreads confusion across Tree Girl's face.

"815? Flight 815? The one from Sydney?" Tree Girl asks.

Hurley confirms it.

"That's not possible," she says. "Flight 815 ... they found the plane."

Wait for it ... WAAAAAIT FOR IT ...

"There were no survivors," Tree Girl says. "They were all dead."

And then it ends!

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "Mom?" -- Hurley pretending to call his mother on the dead satellite phone.
  • We need to talk about this Mikhail Bakunin resurrection business. How? How did he survive? We saw his brain bubble out of his ears! We saw his head turn to mush! How could he possibly be alive? Do the Others have Industrial Light and Magic on speed dial? Could Bakunin be a clone? Did Smokey take Bakunin's form? Also, if Bakunin can survive such a gory encounter, doesn't this call into question other deaths?
  • Tree Girl's revelation about flight 815 certainly seems to support the multiple time periods/realities theories. Maybe the electromagnetic disturbance credited with downing 815 allowed for dual timelines to be created. In one, 815 crashed on the island. In another, 815's wreckage was discovered.

    Also, if the 815 wreckage was discovered, then Penny is the castaways' only hope for rescue. As far as the Oceanic friends and families know, the castaways all died -- so why would any of them bother with a long-term search? This also means there's going to be a lot of explaining to do when Michael and Walt dock in Guam.

  • Juliet tells Sun that most of the pregnant women died during their second trimester. Sun does the math and figures she has two months left to live. If the show's timeline continues to progress as it has, this means Sun will likely be around for all of season four and part of season five.
  • The hand-to-hand skill Jin exhibits during his fight with Bakunin probably traces back to his military days. This episode's backstory reveals that he spent time in the army. That expertise might come in handy during a climactic Other battle ... hmm.

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"The Brig" -- Locke returns, and he's got an interesting proposition for Sawyer. Airs Wednesday, May 2, 2007 at 10 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Wow!

Two mind-blowers in the same episode.

(1) Mikhail Bakunin returns from the dead.
(2) No servivors in Flight 815.

Almost make "Sun's going to die" pale in comparison.

Well, since the writers already said purgatory was out... Matrix anyone?

All the Losties are computer simulations of the deceased?

Clones?

Alternate realities and wormholes between?

Naomi's am Other playing with their minds?
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Mikhail:

Twin?

Just played dead?

Clone?

Time traveler?

Nertz.

#1. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 11:58 AM

wow am i 2nd?? cool! omg r these people
dead! wow! i luv this show n mac!

#2. Posted by: jenny talia at April 26, 2007 12:01 PM

GAFRAM!

They just keep throwing us curve balls don't they...

I don't think Juliet is going to be able to completely go through with any diabolical Ben plans. She obviously hates him too much and is under his coercion. She's a sharp cookie- she'll figure a way out of the situation.

I don't buy any of the parallel universe type theories. I think the explanation may be as simple as Dharma/The Others/some other associated party planted some wreckage to be found and associated with Flight 815.

#3. Posted by: JoePike at April 26, 2007 12:09 PM

Am I the first comment? Dang, thought it was a good episode, maybe The one eyed russian did die but the island healed him, and allm the poeple on the plane died too but they were healed... But then how did the 9 pregnant woman die.. hmm this is a doozy...

#4. Posted by: Joe King at April 26, 2007 12:10 PM

I have a feeling Juliette will eventually turn on Ben..

Good review Macie baby!

#5. Posted by: John Gotti at April 26, 2007 12:13 PM

i think the translation of the tree girls final foreign language is something along the lines of im not the only one

#6. Posted by: asdf at April 26, 2007 12:13 PM

Funny how Juliette new about all the secret stuff in the "station"..

#7. Posted by: Harold Miller at April 26, 2007 12:15 PM

Penny's father has the power to fake plane crashes and alter FAA reports. He is one powerfull dude. Great episode and great recap Mac.

#8. Posted by: Glen at April 26, 2007 12:15 PM

Yo on the real this is my first season peepen the show, and its FIRE!!! I am a lil upset my boy Tay Diggs show was taken off, but other than that this is Onions!

Good recap playa!

#9. Posted by: Omar Adams at April 26, 2007 12:18 PM

Hey, I thought russian dude said "...The rules are diffeent..." did he say "wounds?"

#10. Posted by: JaSoN at April 26, 2007 12:20 PM

@#6/asdf: I've read the same thing, she said something like, "I'm not alone."

@#8/Glen: I thought the same thing when I was watching. Penny's father has something to do with it. Probably a cover up with a different plane so no one would continue searching for the real flight 815. But Penny is on to him and has her own search party.

#11. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 12:20 PM

Mac:

2 things:

Another blog states that Naoami says, in Brazillian Style Portuguese, something to the effect that, "There are others". Since the other backpack has the Portuguese version of Catch -22 the implication is that at least one of the "Weather Station" guys is with her.,

Did anyone notice in the scene between Sun and Jin's Dad the Tae Kwon Do Statue/Award on the table in the background? Jin seems to have been proficient in the Martial Arts before he was in the Military.

#12. Posted by: Usually Lurkin' at April 26, 2007 12:20 PM

Hey, I thought russian dude said "...The rules are diffeent..." did he say "wounds?"

#13. Posted by: JaSoN at April 26, 2007 12:20 PM

Hey, I thought russian dude said "...The rules are diffeent..." did he say "wounds?"

#14. Posted by: JaSoN at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM

-Juliet's eyes settle into her Jedi "I'm not here, I'm in Miami" look.

-Juliet learned this technique from esteemed mentor Dr. Cliff Huxtable.

-(and, presumably, she wants to remember what it's like to be a regular doctor with a regular job instead of an island priestess held captive by a bug-eyed megalomaniac).

OK, OK, I'll stop or I'll just be re-posting the entire re-cap...utter brilliance. Mac, you da man.

New term for island male potency = SPERMICHLORIANS!


#15. Posted by: JoePike at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM

I immediately thought this was one of those cliffhangers that will be dismissed rather anticlimactically in a few episodes, like the rescuers found the planes fuseloge that had travelled back out to sea or something. I hope I am proven wrong.

#16. Posted by: trevenator at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM

@9.Omar Adams

>I am a lil upset my boy Tay Diggs show was taken off, but other than that this is Onions!

You do know that the remaining episodes of "Daybreak" are available on the ABC website, right?

#17. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM

Finally I get on here from Barcelona without being buried under 200+ posts! Haven't seen the episode yet (we don't get the current ones yet, they are being dubbed for the Spanish viewers) but will download later from Itunes.
Thanks Mac for the reviews, really helps me decide which ones to download. Just wanted to please ask for you to avoid exact dialogue if you could--paraphrase is better. Then it is more of a surprise for us Losties overseas. Great stuff everybody, I check this a lot and love the commentaries and acronyms!
Hasta pronto,
Mark

#18. Posted by: Markymark at April 26, 2007 12:22 PM

Hey everyone, I was staying at a hotel in Hawaii and ran into the actor that plays Walt, he looks so much older, he said the season finale is going to be nuts, I cant wait. The paracute chic know mad languages... hmm wonder whats up with that...

#19. Posted by: Neo at April 26, 2007 12:22 PM

The interweb says that rather than "Thank you," Naomi was saying: "I am not alone."

Others were on the 'copter with her?

#20. Posted by: Lex at April 26, 2007 12:25 PM

Well, I didn't see THAT one coming--there were no survivors? Some questions were answered, but several more are posed. I can't wrap my brain around all the time travel/alternate universe stuff.
I did think it was notable that Sun asked Kate "Don't you think Jack seems...different?" Do you think this could be a "substitute Jack"? Like a clone or something?
Great review, Mac. As usual.

#21. Posted by: Kathy at April 26, 2007 12:25 PM

Great job, Mac,

If what Naomi says is true - and we really don't know that it is - I'm thinking that maybe Oceanic 815 went through some kind of EM wormhole that's sort of a cross between a camera and a Star Trek-type transporter. So the folks on the beach aren't clones per se, but more like photographs of their former selves. Some are negatives and some are positives. They seem to get fully "re-" developed, except for that whole reproductive thing. Maybe ovaries, being reproductive factories in their own right, don't copy well.

Some folks like Juliet, Des, Mikhail, Rousseau were brought to the island somehow and are their true one and only selves, but the ones who went through the Metaphysical Xerox machine are living on borrowed time.

Patchy is back?!? Maybe they oughta start digging up Paolikki...

#22. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 26, 2007 12:25 PM

Can't wait to find out what Naomi was actually saying in Russian and Italian. She needs to be a love interest for someone... I wonder who...

#23. Posted by: Melissa at April 26, 2007 12:26 PM

Should we trust what Juliet told Sun and Ben about the D.O.C.? Keep in mind that Juliet is very good at deception, and all she wants is to get off the island. She can't leave until she is able to sucessfully deliver a baby conceived on the island.

Suppose that Juliet discovered the actual D.O.C. was prior to the crash, so the baby was not conceived on the island. If that is true, Sun will successfully deliver her baby just like Claire. If Juliet can lead everyone else to believe that the baby was conceived on the island and then successfully deliver the baby, then her work is done and Ben will let her leave.

#24. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 12:26 PM

Men have five times the normal sperm count on the island?!?!?!?!?!

Kate is SO knocked up. Bank on it.

#25. Posted by: Rob at April 26, 2007 12:27 PM

@Markymark: Sorry, Mark. I need to pick my spots. If I try to customize for every possible viewer (U.S., international, future downloader, etc.) I'd go nutty. The dialog I include often says things better and faster than I ever could.

#26. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 12:30 PM

@9.Omar Adams

>I am a lil upset my boy Tay Diggs show was taken off, but other than that this is Onions!

You do know that the remaining episodes of "Daybreak" are available on the ABC website, right?

→ 17. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 12:21 PM


No Way!!! U My frend Made my day, My week, MY LIFE!! I was gunna peep it on DVD if it ever came out, and i found someone selling bootleg copies on ebay but Im def gunna check it on the web now.. Holla! Good looken out!

#27. Posted by: Omar Adams at April 26, 2007 12:31 PM

"there's just no way to feel bad when you see that squirmy little miracle appear on an ultrasound screen"
Spoken like a true daddy who's been there, done that! ;)

I think the best line of the night (rather than "Mom?") was: "Like...I'd...tell you?" LMFAO! Way to be a badass, Hugo!
Glad Bakunin's back. He's an awesome character! Plus, someone's gotta change the kitty litter.

I'm with JoePike about the planted wreckage. I believe it was either Dharma trying to stop people from searching for it (and possibly finding the island in the process) or Mr. Widmore trying to keep Penny from finding Desmond on the same island. Like he said, "With enough money and determination you can stop anyone from finding anyone." :)

#28. Posted by: Trinity at April 26, 2007 12:32 PM

"there's just no way to feel bad when you see that squirmy little miracle appear on an ultrasound screen."

Spoken like a true father.

Love your reviews

#29. Posted by: T at April 26, 2007 12:32 PM

Good Blog, but one error. The vault was not where the nursery was, its just where they hid everything when they abandoned it. The Nursery was in the hall and Kate found it. There were discolorations on the walls where the decorations used to be. Juliet just knew where the equipment was stashed...

#30. Posted by: Sanderson at April 26, 2007 12:33 PM

Mac: Thank you for another great summary.
Gut feeling: Jack could be a bad guy. Juliet is a good guy disguised as a bad guy disguised as a good guy. What??? Once again, I'm lost. Also think Kate is preggers!!!

#31. Posted by: Donna at April 26, 2007 12:35 PM

If the island's healing powers are so great, why couldn't Kate's Marshall recover/survive?

#32. Posted by: MacistheMan at April 26, 2007 12:37 PM

And what was up with Desmond letting Bakunin go, after he stole the Satellite phone. I’d think that the minute he tried to pull a fast one, all bets are off, and he could be taken prisoner, without Desmond breaking his word.

#33. Posted by: Usually Lurkin' at April 26, 2007 12:38 PM

This is the only Lost recap I read religiously but the first time I've posted -

Did it seem as if Patchy was running towards the site of the flare a bit intently? Almost as if he were waiting for a flare and knew to be on the lookout. He got there pretty quickly and looked shocked to see the Losties. Any ideas on who he may have been anticipating?

#34. Posted by: chesl8a0 at April 26, 2007 12:38 PM

The words that Tree Girl speaks to Mikhail are Portuguese and translate to:

"I am not alone" or
"I'm not the only one"

This straight from a neighbor who pseaks Port. and was borna dn raised in Brazil!

#35. Posted by: GatorGal at April 26, 2007 12:39 PM

@ MacistheMan -

The same could be said for Boone; the island's healing powers didn't seem to do much for him. (Of course, having a plane land on you could rate higher on the mortal wounds list than Sonic Death Fence or tree limb in the lung.)

#36. Posted by: chesl8a0 at April 26, 2007 12:41 PM

@ Cecil Rose: I'm still thinking the whole cloning thing is a significant possibility. Maybe the whole "good clone/bad clone" (i.e. good twin? bad twin?) thingy?

#37. Posted by: GatorGal at April 26, 2007 12:42 PM

If Dharma is able to sustain the island with complete secrecy, it isn't a stretch that they could provide wreckage of 815 to throw off search and rescuers.

Juliet may have lied to Sun and Ben about her DOC. If Ben believes Sun conceived on the island, and Sun & baby live, Juliet could say she "cured" the pregnant women dying problem and earn her ticket home.

#38. Posted by: LostGirl at April 26, 2007 12:46 PM

Ahhh...my weekly fix is now complete...first the show then the recap.

So how many of you out there were yelling for Sun to follow Juliet back into the hatch when she went in to close it up? I was going nuts.

The one thing that really bugged me about this episode was Hurley's line after he shot off that flare gun. "Oops" How weak was that? Very disappointing line. Perhaps that could be a question of the week...what should have Hurley said when he shot that gun off.

Thanks Mac

#39. Posted by: petew at April 26, 2007 12:47 PM

I don't think Hurley was joking when he called on the sat. phone. I think he was calling his mom and when Naomi (pilot girl) woke up he turned it off so he would not get caught.

#40. Posted by: michael at April 26, 2007 12:49 PM

Could Ethan & Goodwin still be alive?

Is this why Bea was so willing to take one in the chest from Bakunin?

What's with the super-human strength that the others have? Bakunin and Ethan were both able to lift men who weigh roughly 150 lbs. off of their feet.

I don't buy the alternate universe thing.

Unless ...

*** SPOILER ALERT ***

That would mean that the others have mastered string physics because of the islands geo-magnetic characterisitcs and can travel between dimensions to recruit someone like Juliet. The fact that Juliet was the only one revealed so far that was transported to the island (other than Locke's dad) messes with those alternate universe theories.

On the other hand, if the others do possess this ability, it explains a whole lot of the weird stuff like pirate ships, polar bears in the tropics, the "wish box", etc. For all Juliet knows, in the reality she comes from, her sister is actually dead from cancer and the images that Ben & Bakunin showed of her sister was of a reality where her sister never got sick in the first place. This would also explain the "good" and "bad" list the others keep, and so on.

I'm gonna stop now before I ramble into madness.

#41. Posted by: CA Mileham at April 26, 2007 12:49 PM

@petew

I actually said - Sun's no dummy she's following her...

#42. Posted by: Melissa at April 26, 2007 12:50 PM

I think the supposed wreckage of Flight 815 might be some sort of media conspiracy, perpetrated by Penny's father.

Let's just say that he is a financier of this initiative, which certainly seems plausible given the fact that he drinks scotch that is worth more than all of our lives combined. In addition, the fact that Penny knew to look for some sort of electromagnetic pulse leads us to believe that she knows something about the island, it's experiments, etc.

So, if Mr. Penny is indeed a financier of this project, he would want to keep it COMPLETELY secret. First, because they do some downright nasty stuff there, second, because they are doing medical research that could potentially net them BILLIONS of dollars.

It seems like they are working on cures for both cancer and infertility problems. If they were able to cure both problems with near certainty, there's no telling how much loot is at stake.

And, as we all know, pharmaceutical companies are evil. Hence, they would do anything to protect their investment.

So, when a friggin jet liner crashed on the island, Mr. Penny knew people would come looking for it, so, using his connections (most likely at Fox News), and his vast wealth, he was able to come up with some bogus footage of the wreck, complete with bodies (probably Other victims), and convince everyone that everything was done.

No survivors, no search and rescue, billions upon billions of dollars protected.

I mean hey, they faked the moon landing, a simple plain crash can't be so hard, right?

#43. Posted by: The Face at April 26, 2007 12:52 PM

Mac, Sheer brilliance once again, of course!

@ Copwife #24 - I never thought of that... brilliant!

@ Rob #25 - Yep, the others were lookin for more than porn, they wanted the two to hook up.

I have to say, this was truly one of the best episodes. I did not see any of what was revealed coming. I was totally blown away the entire hour. I was so sad for Jin, shocked about Mikhail, OK, not surprised by Dr Jules, then to hear the 815 crash had no survivors! WOW! At least by this rate, it looks like the rest of the season should be good... Unless, of course they just gave us the good stuff early and are going to make us suffer now until January... I could see that being a real possibility :(

#44. Posted by: AuntiePooh at April 26, 2007 12:54 PM

New Mikhail = twin = Jacob?

#45. Posted by: Eric at April 26, 2007 12:54 PM


Wow, mac. I would have hated to be you this morning . . Just trying to keep track of all the plot venues in last nights ep must have been daunting. But as always, good job. I appreciate (as we all do) your plot organizational skills - not to mention the humor - in last nights review. As usual, I like to set down at the computer immediately after the program and write my view - and then see how close I come to yours.
Thank goodness, YOURS is a lot more complete than my first thought was last night:

WHAT I SAW TONIGHT (11:07 EST - 4/25/07)

I haven’t the foggiest!

Ooops.
Patchy is supposed to be dead,
but he’s alive.
Naomi’s near death,
but she lives.
Sun and Jin’s baby lives,
but Sun is dead-girl-walking,
The Losties all LOOK alive,
but according to Naomi,
They’re all dead.


Iiiiii seeeeee deeeeaad peeepuuuul . . .

One Bright Spot: Juliet hates Ben.

So . . All is not lost. (no pun intended.)


DRH

#46. Posted by: davidrh at April 26, 2007 12:58 PM

@32.MacistheMan

>If the island's healing powers are so great, why couldn't Kate's Marshall recover/survive?

Lets think about this for a little bit. Suppose there is some agent on the island, natural or man-made, that you absorb by living there. You ingest it with your food, maybe, or breathe it in the air. Over time, it works wonders on the immune system. Wounds heal quickly. You never catch diseases. Cancers are reversed or repelled. A miracle, right?

But as any asthma sufferer can tell you, a hyperactive immune system is not always a good thing. And since a developing baby is basically a little invader in the body, but not completely of it, being genetically half not the mother's, maybe that hyper-immune system goes to war against the little invader, killing the mother and the child.

And maybe babies conceived on the island absorb this agent as well (maybe it's gene altering?), thus contibuting to the war within the mother's body, while babies conceived elsewhere have less antagonism with the mother's body.

Maybe this agent IS the disease that Dharma and Rousseau's science team were worried about, conveying enourmous benefits but with tragic costs as well.

OK, this theory would explain the healing powers experienced on the island, but only if you'd lived there long enough to "catch" them.

Thus the Marshall dies because he hasn't been there long enough, but Bakunin, Sawyer, and Naomi can recover - Note that this would imply that Naomi has been on the island before, or for some time, and is not a searcher just sent here at Penny Widmore's behest.

How, then to explain Locke's immediate paralysis cure? Maybe the shock of the crash 'fixed' something in his back, or maybe his paralysis was psychosomatic and the shock gave his mind an excuse to 'cure' him? At any rate, if the above theorizing explains anything, Locke's case has to be an exception, somehow.

Good Luck, and Namaste!

#47. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 12:58 PM

I agree with copwife and lostgirl about the date of conception being pre-island. You don't hear a heartbeat on an ultrasound at 8 weeks. I think Juliet is lying so she can deliver a live baby and get off the island.

#48. Posted by: equeyaya at April 26, 2007 1:01 PM

first time poster, long time lurker. great review.

@ lex: remember after patchy fixed the tree girl, she mumbled something and everyone asked what she said... he had this weird look on his face and said she said 'thank you,' but obviously he was lying.

i think juliette will turn on ben. she has to.

#49. Posted by: sunisbadass at April 26, 2007 1:02 PM

Couple of comments:

About the sidenote, Sun's baby dilemma, in a culture where honor is everything, I think both options really end Sun's life. Either the same shame that caused Korean Kareem to throw his last skyhook, or the real inevitable death without dishonor. Even if she can put aside the shame thing, if the baby wasn't Jin's, it's just one last kick in the face to somebody who's life she's really screwed up, and I believe she loves him, so maybe she'd rather die than see that happen.

As for Mikhail Habibulin "Patch" bein' alive, the island's got a much different sense of fatal wound than most of modern science does. I'm not gonna rush out and think that means everybody dead is gonna come back ... that's not 'til season 8.

Thanks again Mac. Great lunchtime reading.

#50. Posted by: trexl at April 26, 2007 1:02 PM

Okay, so the island heals, we all know that, but it resurrects? So if the Losties dig up Boone, Shannon, Ann Lucia, Libby, Eko, and Paolikki, all they have to do is remove the shard of glass from the back of their heads (oops, wrong show!) and they'll wake up? Does this mean that a reconstituted Arzt is running around the jungle somewhere?

My gut says that Mikhail wasn't the smoke monster in person form (a la Yemi or Christian Shepherd), since he wasn't just there to deliver a warning or exact judgement. And what would the smoke monster need with a satellite phone?

I hate it that satellite phone Barbie never has the batteries included! But what if the batteries aren't really dead? We only have Hurley's word for it...what if he really was on the phone with Mom and had to hang up when the rest of the camping party came back?

My first thought on the final scene was that someone (Jacob?) planted wreckage that would convince the world that no one surviverd flight 815. After all, he knows damn well where they are and that they are alive, but it looks like he never intends any of them to ever leave the island. Not even Cindy, the cruise director!

#51. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 26, 2007 1:05 PM

Awesome reveiw Mac. You had me laughing out loud. My first thought at the end of the episode was that someone made it look like flight 815 was found with no survivors so people would stop looking. I'm glad to see other people agree with that theory but knowing the Lost writers, that is way to obvious and we all know the writers don't do ANYTHING obvious. So now I'm really confused. Regarding Jin, maybe his real daddy is the Dharma guy in the old videos. Now that would be cool.

#52. Posted by: Mary at April 26, 2007 1:06 PM

what if they were all destined to die, and they died in the plane crash but the island healed them, and the reason why no one (the others) want to escape is because they'll die if they go back

#53. Posted by: sarah at April 26, 2007 1:07 PM

Awesome Recap Mac. Top form as always.

So Mikhail is alive, and I think he was ressurected. Some might argue that it was smokey, but smokey never cooperated in that high of a level of deception. Also - smokey has never taken on a human shape in front of more than one person. Anywho, it all goes back to the Rose-centric episode with Issaac of Uluuru. Different places on the earth heal different people. This should explain why the island woould ressurect Mikhail but not other Losties that have since gone on to the big dirt nap in the sky. Of course that's not to say that the losties can't be ressurected, it's just that the ones killed so far haven't had that special connection to the island.

My favorite line, Hurley telling Mikhail about the stuff Naomi had in her pack, then Charley gives Hurley the death glare for blabbin about the satphone. Mikhail asks Hurley if the phone works and Hurley reponds with, "Like i'd tell you if it did". Nice try Hurley, too bad you blabbed about the best part.

My last point on last night's ep: Widmore is evil, evil, evil. Well, evil if it is Widmore that is in touch with Ben and his merry band of Others. Who else would have the resources, and the stones, to plant wreckage and in one diabolical swoop guarantee that a rescue party wouldn't accidentaly stumble across the island. I thought Mac's alternate timeline theory was cool, but I'm not buying it - yet.

#54. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 26, 2007 1:11 PM

I was thinking something different with the "no survivors of 815" thing, although the dual timeline sure does go along with the theme of the show, so that makes sense. I was thinking something more that Ben had something to do with that. He has connections on the mainland, so I figured he had someone stage the remains of the flight so that nobody would come looking for the real plane and therefore nobody would find his precious island. I dunno, just my initial reaction, may be nothing. ??

#55. Posted by: Laura at April 26, 2007 1:11 PM

How about the preview? Locke will kidnap Ben so Sawyer can shoot him?!?

I don't think this would be the "Ben plan" since he knows Sheriff Sawyer certainly WILL want to kill him. The ping-pong match was just foreshadowing, it's going to come head-to-head between Jack and Sawyer and further divide 'The Beach Tribe' into two factions.

And of course, THAT is just what Ben *really* wants. The weasel will face death in order to achieve his ends.

#56. Posted by: The Duf at April 26, 2007 1:12 PM

I'm so happy my mother's name isn't Ho-Mom.

#57. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 1:14 PM

Couple things. First, can we all stop with this alternate universe thing and time travel. We know the producers are smart, they will make "sense" of all this within the world they have created. It's like the first season of Twin Peaks compared to the 2nd. It's believable even though its proposterous, but then it goes completely sci-fi and you lose the audience. I don't think that will happen. There's no doubt in my mind they have this thing mapped out to the end and are just not making it up as they go like my wife believes! My 2 cents...

#58. Posted by: JR at April 26, 2007 1:16 PM

a few points:

Locke's paralysis was most definitely not psychosomatic, as we saw him fall out a very high window, and he says he felt his back break.

I agree with the "cover up" theory about Flight 815. I think someone wanted to make sure nobody ever came looking.

#59. Posted by: jason at April 26, 2007 1:17 PM

I also think that the plane wreckage was staged. I prefer not to think that everyone is actually dead, or that it gets to be that crazy later on. Juliet didn't seem to die, doesn't seem like a duplicate. Then again, maybe when the "put her out" for her bumpy ride, maybe they actually killed her and cloned her while we weren't watching?

By the way, I had always thought that the numbers might have meant something as a location marker, finally found something for latitude and longitude though. Go to maps*google*com (change the *'s to .'s) and type in "4.815, 162.342" - - - the infamous numbers, and look at the location. Looks like a nice route from Sydney to L.A.

#60. Posted by: ANTP? at April 26, 2007 1:18 PM

Sorry mac, I forgot my props in my first post, but it was another great recap! I've been going back to the old ones to remind myslef about things that happened waaay back in season 3.1 (aka before the hiatus). Thanks so much for doing this and doing it well!

I was hoping for a minute that Michael might have been one of the others Naomi mentioned, back to redeem himself (and, of course, die immediatley afterwards), but since she is convinced no one survived Flight 815, that doesn't seem likely.

Side note, Korea is still technically in a state of war, there was never a peace treaty to end the Korean War, just a cease fire. All Korean men have compulsory military service.

I'm with you Mac, I hope Sun's dad doesn't turn out to be Jin's dad...we had enough incest when Shannon and Boone were on the island...

#61. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 26, 2007 1:27 PM

@#60/ANTP?: Wow, you're right! That location is on a northeast route to the US, and still a believeable location for a plane originally headed to the US that's somehow gone off course. Did the pilot ever say in which direction they had been flying off course?

#62. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 1:27 PM

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but almost all school-age children in South Korea takes Tae Kwon Do as they grow up and all boys are conscripted into the army to serve for a few years. That's why Jinn would have these skills.

#63. Posted by: JOSS at April 26, 2007 1:32 PM

@theduf:

Locke kidnaps his dad away from Ben and that's who he wants Sawyer to kill. The tease for next weeks ep is that Locke will ask Sawyer to help him deal with someone that has caused alot of pain in both their lives. In other words, this is finally confirmation that Anthony Cooper aka Locke's Bad Daddy is also the 'real' Sawyer that Sawyer has been looking for. The conman that ruined his life when he was a child.

#64. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 26, 2007 1:33 PM

So is Penny's Dad Jacob?

#65. Posted by: HalBankers at April 26, 2007 1:34 PM

There is no reason to trust Patchy's translation of anything Branch Girl said, so we definitely need the exact translation of the last thing she said. Previous to that, she was speaking Italian, and the last thing she said did not sound Italian to me...

I do not, for one second, trust anything that comes out of Juliet's mouth (but I sound like a broken record about this...been saying so since October...), whether is is fertility information, soothing remarks to Sun to ease her shame, or what she reports to Ben. There is nothing stopping her from lying to Sun. She just may be playing all of us when all is said and done...

#66. Posted by: Vikki at April 26, 2007 1:34 PM

Great Job Mac

#67. Posted by: Artie Lang at April 26, 2007 1:36 PM

#1 You can hear a heartbeat at 8 weeks. I heard my son's at 7 weeks. You also see a little flutter on the screen.

#2 I think being 'good' (ala Locke) or 'bad' (ala Sawyer) dictate who gets killed and who heals. Not sure where Ethan/ Goodwin fall in the spectrum.

#3 Wow, does high sperm count make you super strong? I loved Ethan's super strength, and Juliet totally kicked Kate's a$$ in the pool hall.

It for now...

#68. Posted by: EthansGrrrl at April 26, 2007 1:38 PM

If Naomi truly is from the real world and everyone thinks that there were no survivors then I think it's pretty safe to assume that Walt and Michael never succesfully left the island.

#69. Posted by: petew at April 26, 2007 1:39 PM

GRAA, Mac.

Okay, I posted this a while back, but I will recap. They have been on the island for 90 days now. Sun is not showing at all. In the normal world she would be. I believe that Jin is the daddy. Now, the island is not normal, so the writers could blow that one out the air pretty easily. I do like the theory that Juliette is lying about the conception date to 'show' she has cured the disease. That would certainly be within her realm of diabolical evilness.

I did not expect Rasputin to come back to life, but he is Rasputin after all. That was quite a shocker for me.

I do like the planted wreckage theory. I don't really care who planted it, Ben, Dharma, or Widmore, I like the theory.

We all seem to think Kate is preggers, well is Juliette? Again, the scene of her in bed with Goodwin is 90+ days old, she should be showing as well.

Peace out.

#70. Posted by: onelostdude at April 26, 2007 1:39 PM

@#60/ANTP:

Sorry to burst your bubble - the google map (and if you have access to Google Earth) with the numbers as coordinate was done last year. Smack in the middle of the Pacific. Reverse the numbers and it puts you in Nigeria.

#71. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at April 26, 2007 1:41 PM

I have a hard time believing Des would let Mikhail go once he tried to steal the sat phone. If he was trying to take it, wouldn't that prove he could make it work somehow? It seems like Des would want to keep him around to fix it - or at least show them where some batteries are! That phone is the only sure-fire way to communicate with the outside world. Wouldn't someone wonder why Mikhail wanted it so badly?

I wonder if he had a Desmonition that involved Mikhail doing something to help/benefit the Losties in the future. Or maybe, he is afraid if he doesn't keep his word then Tree-girl will die?

#72. Posted by: callie at April 26, 2007 1:47 PM

@copwife, #62

IIRC, the pilot said they were a thousand miles off course and had turned back around to fly back to Sydney. So, they should have been flying west or southwest at the time of the crash. I do like the longitude and latitude theory, wish I had thought of that first.

#73. Posted by: onelostdude at April 26, 2007 1:48 PM

@mac - Maybe the writers are smarter than you, but they sure aren't funnier!

So many people have been killed on the island (incl the pregnant women), and AFAWK, they are still dead. I think Mikhail didn't die. It's been suggested that he had an implant similar to Claire's and he set it off when Locke shoved him. Gave a good show, but wasn't fatal, and the Losties, as usual, were too incurious to check. The island's healing powers are strong, but not omnipotent.

#74. Posted by: hurling at April 26, 2007 1:51 PM

What if we're all going in the wrong direction about Parachute-Chick?

What is she really was sent by the Others from the other island? She WAS in a helicopter (or so we are led to believe), which has a very short range. She knew Desmond (much as the Others do), and was tended to quite nicely by Dead-Man-Walking Mikhael, to whom she also gave a very private, yet telling message. She also leaves our Losties with some very poignant, confusing, and possibly false information which will have an incredible impact on them, their psyche, and morality.

Just my $.02.

#75. Posted by: WDWRadio .com at April 26, 2007 1:52 PM

Anybody catch the combination to Mr Paik's safe? Here's betting it's some combination of 4,8,15, 16, 23 or 42.

#76. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 1:55 PM

#74
Well said Hurling- I concur! The island can't resurrect the dead, just speed heal. So Mikhail was never truly toast. He faked it.

#77. Posted by: JoePike at April 26, 2007 1:56 PM

HEY!!!!! Remember all of you who laughed at me when I said "Patchy" had faked his death??????? WELL I will accept your apology!!!! Yes even the guy who said the blood in the ear joke. Us Canadains are pretty smart!!

#78. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 1:59 PM

@ 78, dantheman. Smart eh? Too bad you "Canadains" didn't take any spelling classes.

I'm just kidding, all in jest.

#79. Posted by: ANTP? at April 26, 2007 2:09 PM

The "Canadains" spelling is a joke. I know its Canadins.hahhaah I guess not!!

#80. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 2:13 PM

@dantheman: "We got ways of making you pronounce the letter "o"..."

Seriously though, props on calling that one way way back.

#81. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 26, 2007 2:14 PM

HEY!!!!! Remember all of you who laughed at me when I said "Patchy" had faked his death??????? WELL I will accept your apology!!!! Yes even the guy who said the blood in the ear joke. Us Canadains are pretty smart!!
→ 78. Posted by: dantheman


OK - that was me. I'm sorry. I'm big enough to own up to it . . .

And I think that's "Canadians" . .
(Now that I think of it - I'll bet that was a white haired old CANADIAN woman in that . . nevermind. I don't want to be chastised by mac . . . )

I know when to quit.


DRH

#82. Posted by: davidrh at April 26, 2007 2:16 PM

What if Tree Girl is an other plant (no pun intended), and is lying about there being no survivors, all dead on 815? This would fit right into Ben's plan to isolate the island and totally demoralize the losties.

#83. Posted by: Loz at April 26, 2007 2:16 PM

If the show was based in Canada..would Smokey's new name be: Canadian Mist?

#84. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 2:22 PM

First up, great review Mac! I really liked Hurley's "Mom?" line as well...very sweet & wistful. One comment: I think Juliet was at the island laundromat rather than the latrine when Sun approached her.

Re time travel/clones/wormhole travel etc.: I try to keep to Occam's Razor when looking for explanations. The simplest & most plausible real-world theory is that Ben contacted the head "Other" off-island (Jacob?) & had wreckage planted to make it appear that 815 had been found, thereby getting rid of any search parties & protecting the island's secrecy. We've seen numerous demonstrations of Hanso/Widmore/etc.'s power & reach.

Re Mikhail's "resurrection": Two theories--1) Mikhail is dead; this "Mikhail" is his twin. Whether both of them had an eye missing or not is somewhat moot; they could both use an eyepatch just to be confusing. 2) Mikhail wasn't actually killed by the sonic fence; it was a fake (although I'm still trying to figure out how Mikhail could have planted "blood" vials in his ears to activate them at the right time). Locke &/or Rousseau were in on the faked death. Has anyone rewatched Enter 77 to see if anyone went over to Mikhail after they got over the fence to check on him? Or would his graphic "death" be enough to convince them that he was deader than Tsar Nicholas?

Re "Tree Girl": It definitely appears to me that someone was watching for her arrival beside Desmond & Camping Crew. Hurley's firing of the flare gun was what brought Mikhail to the scene ("oops" indeed ; >). So perhaps "Tree Girl" wasn't sent by Penny at all w/the intention of rescuing Desmond, but by Mr. Widmore w/the intention of taking out Desmond. Also, I don't trust Mikhail's translations of what "Tree Girl" was saying, in any language. When he said that she had said "Thank you," it sure didn't sound like "Grazie" to me!

Re Sun/Juliet: I have to say that Sun's telling Juliet about her affair w/Jae was DUMB. Why put an explosive secret like that in the hands of an Other? I agree w/Vikki that Juliet is not be trusted. No way, no how!

#85. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 26, 2007 2:24 PM

Has anyone rewatched Enter 77 to see if anyone went over to Mikhail after they got over the fence to check on him?
→ 85. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought


Didn't Kate go over and check him out? I kindof remember that, but my eyes may have been glazed over from watching her shimmy up that tree trunk . .

(whoa. Dirtyoldman Dave just surfaced for a moment there . . )

sorry.

#86. Posted by: davidrh at April 26, 2007 2:33 PM

Havn't read the other comments yet.


I think you guys are looking too deep into the 815 info. We know Ben was in contact with the outside world after the plane crash.

The simplest and most logical explanation for the news that this helicopter pilot brought (that the plane had been found, no survivors) is that Dharma (or Bens company) covered the accident up.

#87. Posted by: Alex at April 26, 2007 2:37 PM

Can we please all agree to read the posts before typing something that has been typed many times before?

#88. Posted by: ANTP? at April 26, 2007 2:42 PM

Lot of comments... didn't read through them all...

Anyway.
Has anyone thought that maybe, must maybe, The Others/Dharma arranged a plane crash? They're awfully resourceful after all. It doesn't seem to be too far fetched to presume that they could obtain a 747, paint it up, and crash it into the ocean. Given the time it would take to find the wreckage in the first place they would have probably had a week to get it done. It's a stretch, but not much of one.
And if the plane crashed in the ocean I'd doubt that anyone did any extensive identification. *Maybe* a body count.

Maybe it's just too simple of an idea.

#89. Posted by: Jeff at April 26, 2007 2:45 PM

Why on earth did tree girl speak so many different languages? Surely if you're dying it's going to be less taxing to speak in your native tongue!

#90. Posted by: Paul at April 26, 2007 2:46 PM

"Also, if Bakunin can survive such a gory encounter, doesn't this call into question other deaths?"

I remember in the episode where Ethan was buried he was definetly breathing....I watched it in slow-motion and had a buddy confirm it for me. I always assumed it was an oversight but now who knows??

#91. Posted by: dan at April 26, 2007 2:46 PM

@89 Jeff

>...they could obtain a 747, paint it up, and crash it into the ocean.

That might arouse a few suspicions, since Flight 815 was a 757.

#92. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 2:49 PM

Did Mikhail "fake" his death? I don't think he FAKED it. None of the Losties checked his pulse after he fell through the SDF so perhaps he wasn't quite dead yet (although he did know the average air speed of a European swallow). If the island has these incredible healing powers then perhaps he was just severely injured and took a few days off to push the brain matter back into his head. The healing power had been alluded to previously through Locke's paralysis and Rose's cancer being cured. Although why the island didn't create a new eye ball for him makes me wonder.

Does Naomi speak at least 5 languages? She spoke Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, English and Russian, right? I would think that if she were in that much pain she might moan and groan in just one language but hey, that's just me.

If Juliet lied about Sun's date of conception, wouldn't the lie be exposed when Sun gave birth several months early? I would think she would have thought that one through.

And I'm not touching the 815 wreckage angle. That's gonna drive me crazy.

#93. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 2:56 PM

@#92 Alex,

Was that a laden European Swallow?

Carrying perhaps a coconut for the lovely Kate to wash her hair with?

(Sorry for the dangling participle...if you've ever dangled a participle you know just how painful that can be.)

#94. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 26, 2007 3:02 PM

@ Rob/#25: "Kate is SO knocked up. Bank on it."
Not necessarily. A woman can only become pregnant during certain days on her cycle, so there's a little safety net for the writers there to explain why she's not with child. Plus, on a deserted island, she's probably not eating as much as she used to and therefor is undernourished, which can stop your cycle all together (so said my friend with bulemia).

@ The Face/#43: "I mean hey, they faked the moon landing, a simple plain crash can't be so hard, right?"
I'm with ya there! That moon landing was sooooo doctored! Conspiracy theories, anyone?

@ RNM/#57: I think her actual name was Sum Dum Ho. (I totally knew it was Jin's mother before they revealed it, BTW!)

#95. Posted by: Trinity at April 26, 2007 3:03 PM

@ransomjackson #93
"Was that a laden European Swallow?"

Thanks for catching both the reference and the omission. Since the island has rejuvenating powers perhaps the Losties should bring out their dead!

#96. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 3:15 PM

Juliet tells Sun that she conceived 53 days ago (90-53 = Day 37 on the island). Juliet has to be lying because Sun and Jin were not cohabitating at that point. On Day 33, Sun was part of the Michael-Jin beach fight scene which ended with Jin leaving Sun because he felt betrayed by her. Jin spent his time working on the raft, which left on Day 43. Jin washes up on shore with the Tailies, and does not return for the tearful reunion with the survivors (and Sun) until Day 48. Sun asks for the pregnancy test on Day 58, and tells Jin about it on Day 59.
So the ultrasound images were not Sun's (a videotape supplied by Ben). The pregnancy test was rigged to show a false positive. The plan is to have the women "believe" they are pregnant and in danger so the Others have access to the wombs to run their own unethical experiments (under the guise of trying to save the mother and child).

#97. Posted by: welh at April 26, 2007 3:19 PM

I think Mikhail explained why he's not dead when he told the Losties that Tree Girl should be better in a day. The Sonic Death Fence only severely injured him. And he probably would have died laying there if he was anywhere else but on the island.

As for other island deaths... The only 2 that may still be alive are Goodwin; and Im pretty sure that he's really DEAD.
But now I'll expect to see Kelvin on the island again before the Series ends.

Maybe Ben really did have flight 815 planned to crash. Perhaps they knew Desmond would leave the hatch on the day Kelvin said "Bye Desmond".

The only disappointing aspect of Season 3 in my eyes is that we still haven't learned anything more about Libby. I thought the producers promised more info on the Libby backstory. I know she's busy w/ another show, but it doesn't look like it's a real success.

#98. Posted by: middies at April 26, 2007 3:27 PM

A few points -
I think that when Kate had "breakfast with Ben" on the beach, whe was told she had to get pregnant to save someone (Jack? Sawyer? Both?) - She was then returned in the dress and set up to hook up with Sawyer.
Second, maybe when the hatch exploded/imploded the situation changed in the pregnant women department.
Third, the sub could have towed a small amount of the wreckage/debris somewhere - a search party would assume that the rest of it sank.

#99. Posted by: curious at April 26, 2007 3:28 PM

I like the 'Mikhail faked it' theory. This would also explain why Kate et al could climb over the fence and Smokey could not! When Kate et al climbed over it, it was actually off! They could have walked through it, but thought it was on because Patchy was faking his sonic boom/ ear bleading death.

Smokey couldn't go over it because Juliet had turned it on.

#100. Posted by: GFish at April 26, 2007 3:29 PM

@welh

I like your theory about the timeline, but also consider that in their culture, a man expects that he will be "with" his wife, even if they are fighting. Not like an American relationship, where it gets turned on and off with every little argument.

#101. Posted by: trevenator at April 26, 2007 3:32 PM

Google map -- that is really interesting. It places you in the middle of the ocean off Africa. THe location is directly between Australia and LA and it is right below a country named BENIN. Does anyone think there is some significance there???

#102. Posted by: ALl at April 26, 2007 3:35 PM

Here's what Lostpedia is reporting on Naomi's foreign language utterances:

>Naomi (the parachutist) speaks at least five languages (including English):

o "Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions).

o "Aiutami sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions; partially incorrect, but comprehensible).

o She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese, not Korean. "出了什么事?(chu le shen me shi)" is Chinese for "What happened?" or "What's going on?".

o After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." The "Ardil-22" book is also Portuguese.

#103. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 3:38 PM

If we go with the Hanso/Dharma/Paik/Widmore fake plane crash theory, why not take it a step further and say that it was set up before the plane ever took off? That way they could have stolen some luggage and other stuff maybe even a couple bodies and staged the crash well beforehand. Then, if some S&R folks got there immediately everything would've already been GTG.

Ben & Friends (A Disney Co.) being surprised by a plane crashing in their midst might only mean that Ben is middle management and hadn't gotten the memo yet.

#104. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 26, 2007 3:39 PM

@welh

Could it be? Is Sun pregnant with Michael's baby?!?
I had been hypothesizing this for a while, but given the timeline, it seems highly possible, if not probable!

#105. Posted by: velouria at April 26, 2007 3:43 PM

@Alex/92

>If Juliet lied about Sun's date of conception, wouldn't the lie be exposed when Sun gave birth several months early? I would think she would have thought that one through.>

Not necessarily--Juliet said she's about 8 weeks pregnant and they've been on the island for 90 days (about 12 weeks). It's not out of the ordinary for a baby to be born 4 weeks early. I've even seen babies born early that are as big as full-term babies, so I think she could easily get away with it.

#106. Posted by: copwife at April 26, 2007 3:43 PM

-96:
what day was it when Jin came out of tent with afterglow(i.e. sh*t-eating grin) and Hurly gave him the thumbs up? If that was night 32 that's well within timeframe estimate from ultrasound, and the writers were setting it up.

#107. Posted by: mtncbn at April 26, 2007 3:44 PM

Thanks again, Mac for the LMAO review. You are truly the best!

From the previews, I thought this episode would be filler-type stuff but it was so freakin' informative! Just a few things...

#16. When Naomi said that Flight 815 was found w/ no survivors, my 1st thought was that Ben used his "magic box" to create the duplicate plane crash. The same type scenerio worked for Juliet when she claimed she couldn't go anywhere unless her ex was hit by a bus! But then I recalled in S1 how Jack advised the Losties to move off of the beach because it was eroding. So...many possibilities to explain away what Naomi said.

#24. I too though Juliet was lying to both Sun and Ben. She just wants off the island. I believe before too long, Juliet will off Ben. And speaking of off...
@ 32. The marshall didn't heal in island fashion because he asked Kate to off him based on Jack's diagnosis. So Kate didn't off him, Sawyer tried, Jack completed the mercy killing.

Lastly, I recall in "Enter 77" Mikhail making a point about speaking five different languages. That ties into what Naomi said (per Lostpedia.com)

Naomi (the parachutist) speaks at least five languages (including English):

"Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions).

"Aiutami sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions; partially incorrect, but comprehensible).

She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese, not Korean. "出了什么事?(chu le shen me shi)" is Chinese for "What happened?" or "What's going on?".

After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone."

The "Ardil-22" book is also Portuguese.

So there's my input for this week! I won't even go into my theory about a parallel universe again...lol

THE BRIG IS NEXT WEEK! LONG LIVE LOCKE AND SAWYER!!


#108. Posted by: amelia at April 26, 2007 3:47 PM

In a deep ocean plane crash, search parties would likely find only floating debris which could be traced back to plane and passenger manifest. Once found, they would assume that the bulk of the plane fell to the bottom of the ocean, and if there were no one alive on the surface, assume that everyone perished.
So when Naomi says they "found" the plane and there was no survivors, it means the search parties found the believed crash site, found no survivors, and called off the search.
If they found the physical plane wreckage in the sandbars off shore of The Island, then the inference is that all the survivors are dead. The producers were adamant that the survivors were not in "purgatory." But what if they were delivered directly to Hell? Instead of Dante's inferno, the 815ers fell into the Devil's Club Med.

#109. Posted by: welh at April 26, 2007 3:47 PM

mac,

Another technical question.

I notice when I preview a post on Witz's TVFodder "Survivor" blog it properly preserves linefeeds/paragraphs in the preview. Is this a setup option that can be turned one here and in my blog so as to make it easier to review a comment preview?

#110. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 3:52 PM

Now that the whole pregnancy thing is clearer I find the deaths of Shannon and Ana Lucia a bit more interesting. Both were shot shortly after having sex (Shannon with Sayid and Ana Lucia with Sawyer). At first I thought this was to be taken as a horror film device (where the young girl is ALWAYS killed after sex) but now I'm not so sure. Could their deaths have a correlation to the problem pregnant women encounter? As as has been said before, could the island be course correcting? Granted, everyone on the island has had their own near death experiences but both Sun and Kate have had guns pointed at them post sexual encounter.

#111. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 4:00 PM

@ welh/#96: Well, Juliette said the baby was conceived 8 weeks ago, which is actually 56 days. Since they've been there 90 days and the raft set sail on day 44 (according to what Locke told Desmond) that would equal 90 days. Plus, back when she first took the test, there were some math gurus calculating the conception date based on symptoms (i.e. the onset of morning sickness) and determined it happened the day the raft set sail. So, aside from the 3 day discrepancy, it comes out about right.
Also, about the issue of showing, you don't usually show until your 2nd trimester, especially if it's your first pregnancy (because your abdominal muscles are still nice and taut).
Man, this is like my 3rd or 4th post today. Sorry for being so long-winded, I just keep forgetting stuff I wanted to add. Plus, I work for an OB/GYN so all this pregnancy talk has me putting my $.02 in!

#112. Posted by: Trinity at April 26, 2007 4:01 PM

There girl that fell to the island out of the chopper, why did she have a breathing unit on? Its not like the chopper was at 10,000 feet when she jumped out.

#113. Posted by: ClownSauce at April 26, 2007 4:05 PM

I remember when Patchy hit the fence he said 'thank you' then fried. The group, after climbing over the fence, went to check saw his red skin and assumed he was dead. I don't think anyone checked for a pulse. Locke didn't care, Sayid was mad at Locke for doing it, and Kate just stared at the body and Rousseau just went on like nothing happened. I think it's possible that he passed out. There was still blood caked in his ears when he met the Camping Boys. (Sidenote: Why doesn't anyone clean the blood off themselves? Jack walked across the island with blood on his face. Yuk!)

As for the plane crash, here's the scenario. Ben sees plane go down, informs Dharma Central. If they look for plane after widening their search, they might find the island so Dharma creates a crash site with wreckage that satisfies searchers. Families give up, FAA/government stops looking, island stays hidden. Naomi's revelation makes me think that she is not an Other because she seems surprised with Hurley's information. I think she is there looking for Desmond for Penny. It explains why she said his name, a one-track mind why she is there when she suddenly wakes up.

Juliet's tape check means that Ben or some Other is still on the island in order to retrieve the message. Isn't there a hatch or two that the Losties haven't found? And when will she casually drop Sun's secret tryst on Jin? I think that will come at an inopportune time.

Does anybody recognize what Sun is growing in the garden? I thought I saw elephant ears (taro root).

#114. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 26, 2007 4:08 PM

@ 96.

How about both Sun and Juliet are lying to each other? Yes, Sun gave up the information about her lover but she never talked about her separation from Jin and it was a long time between breakup and makeup!

Also, if Kate is preggers then what a triangle between Kate, Sawyer and Cassidy!!

Season 3 is a true tribute for Lost fans! So far everything we've seen in S3 very much relates back to Season 1. And it's coming together nicely!!

Oh and what is Desmonds connection with the Others (or the Hostiles as he called them in Season 2. When he told Charlie & Jin that "I gave him my word" it kinda creeped me out. BEN!

#115. Posted by: amelia at April 26, 2007 4:09 PM

@amelia #114
"Oh and what is Desmonds connection with the Others (or the Hostiles as he called them in Season 2. When he told Charlie & Jin that "I gave him my word" it kinda creeped me out."

And Desmond also told Charlie that the Losties have killed more of the Others than the Others had killed Losties. Perhaps he sees something in the Losties aggressiveness towards the Others.

#116. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at April 26, 2007 4:16 PM

#57 - what you don't know won't hurt you

#117. Posted by: clarabooth at April 26, 2007 4:18 PM

@ Trinity/#111: 56 + 44 equals 100 days, you imbecile!! God dammit, learn to add! That's what you went to 4th grade for, right?!


Sorry. Just had to vent.

#118. Posted by: Trinity at April 26, 2007 4:18 PM

I cast my vote with the 815 cover up crowd. Easy explanation. Occam's razor indeed.

There is no reason to believe that Penny knows of any connection between Desmond and the fate of flight 815. Naomi was searching for Desmond and surprised to find him in the company of people who were supposed to be dead. Plane crashes make big news and people tend to remember the flight numbers, like PanAm 108.

So how about those enormous sperm counts. The excess sperm may have something to do with the deaths of the women midway through the pregnancy. Particularly if they were longer lived than normal sperm. If so, perhaps Jin's sperm count was raised from unmeasureable and/or feeble to normal so that Sun would not have to face the same fate.

As for selective healing, it seems that only Mikhail has come back from the dead and so I go along with either faking it or the damage wasn't nearly as bad as it had seemed. But there are too many loose ends already mentioned above about who is healed (Locke and Rose) and who isn't (all the dead ones) On the other hand, Locke's and Rose's conditions predated arrival on the island, all other injuries, diseases arose on the island. Is that significant? Then Naomi is a goner? Too bad as we need attractive women who can speak English, Spanish, Russian, and Italian and pilot helicopters. She's not alone? Rest of them in that helicopter in the drink? Already there? Good luck, writers, sorting this one out.

August Paul

#119. Posted by: August Paul at April 26, 2007 4:18 PM

My wife insisted I mention the following point:

Kate was all dolled up in that lovely dress to picque Sawyer's interest. She was told to do this and to 'make love' the night they did, hence her Houdini-esque escape. This serves 2 functions: 1. The Others knew when she would ovulate 2. The Others could time Jack's PTS (peeping Tom syndrome). Timing is everything!

#120. Posted by: Rich at April 26, 2007 4:24 PM

@RNM/#84
Good one! Almost spit out my coffee!

#121. Posted by: Krys at April 26, 2007 4:28 PM

> juliet is hands down, the most lying, manipulative and deceptive person on the show. she is desperate and will double cross anyone that stands in her way. and, she's playting jack like a fiddle. why anyone believes anything she says is beyond me. they should have her locked up alone somewhere so she can't gather any info. jack has to have flipped sides, there is no explanation.

> i'm also not so sure we can trust this Naomi person. Mikhail magically appears when she requires medical attention? just seems fishy to me.

thanks for another great recap!

#122. Posted by: LT at April 26, 2007 4:35 PM

Actually, Benin is on the Western shore of Africa. When the coordinates are typed into google map they put you square in the ocean en route between sydney and la. However, not far from that mark there is an island/volcano that has no name and I cant seem to figure out what is is my google searching.

Anyway, first time to this site, its great!

#123. Posted by: HF at April 26, 2007 4:36 PM

right dudes, i think that the island has immense healing powers.

locke can now walk,
rose is in remission,
locke's leg healed quite quickly
(remember he was crushed by that door)sawyer AND sayid have been shot!
---and there's obviously other wee incidents that i havnt mentioned but it goes on the list.

what if the island is so powerful that "it" believes that the little feotus's are aliens, completely foreign because they are not completely wholesome of the genetic make-up of the mother. thus the mother's immune system goes into overdrive and she pops her cloggs.

RIP?

oh... the fact that juliet recorded that msg on a pretty dated device and placed it in a cupboard, does that mean the others are able to get to it? cos i doubt she's gonna have a little gossip with ben when they meet up in a few days. it sounded like she was in a hurry.

im new at this blog :D

#124. Posted by: Andie at April 26, 2007 4:46 PM

Re: post119 Rich, one problem with that theory, remember Juliet telling Pickett that she needed Kate now and Pickett exclaiming that he thought they had two weeks, and she said the timetable had been moved up. That was in response to Ben finding out he needed the tumor removed RIGHT NOW, because Jack told Ben the tumor was borderline inoperable, if that's the case then the bear cage sex may have been a few days too early to result in conception, if I'm correct and ovulation lasts roughly five days.

#125. Posted by: unladenswallow at April 26, 2007 4:52 PM

I think there's an easy explanation for Naomi speaking 1,000 different languages. If she just got catapulted out of the sky, thrown into a jungle, and impaled by a branch, my guess is that she's pretty confused.

If, as I suspect, after conducting much medical research, that such an incident might disorient you, she could have no idea where on Earth she is.

And, if she doesn't know where she is, she doesn't know what language the people speak who are near her. So, her survival instinct could kick in and she could just start speaking all these languages hoping that somebody understands one of them.

Makes sense, right?

#126. Posted by: The Face at April 26, 2007 4:54 PM

Rather than DOC this episode should have been titled "Oh Crap."

I agree Mr. Grimm that Locke was healed and not the marshall because the different people are healed in different places.
I'm not so sure about the faked plane crash. They usually search pretty thoroughly for black boxes and such. I would think they would know if they had pieces of the real 815 or not.

What should Hurley have said when the gun went off? "Dude, that was a bit premature!"

#127. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 26, 2007 5:05 PM

I'm not sure how to do coordinates on Google whatever but from the descriptions I'm hearing I'm confused. Isn't the most direct route to LA from Australia across the Pacific? How would Africe be directly on the way to LA from Sydney? I would think that would be the wrong direction. Help!

#128. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 26, 2007 5:12 PM

Anybody besides me hear a few Smokey clicks just before the flare went off?

#129. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 5:14 PM

Am I the only one that remembers Jack's dad coming back to life (confirmed by the sealed yet empty coffin)? That could relate to Mikhail Bakunin returning.

#130. Posted by: Zebra at April 26, 2007 5:20 PM

@ Zebra/#129: Not sure how that works since Dr. Daddy died off the island.

#131. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 5:23 PM

@ Mr. Grimm

I checked, and Locke says, "I snuck into Ben's tent, and I kidnapped him."

At first hearing, I took this to be Ben himself, but of course, as phrased, "him" can be someone else. It does make a lot more sense that Locke would take daddy over Ben.

Interesting, thanks for the comment.

#132. Posted by: The Duf at April 26, 2007 5:29 PM

@89 Jeff

>It doesn't seem to be too far fetched to presume that they could obtain a 747, paint it up, and crash it into the ocean.

That would propbably raise a few suspicions, since Oceanic Flight 815 was a 757.

#133. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 26, 2007 5:36 PM

@ all,

Perhaps it would be beneficial for someone who has access to a website or Wiki to post the running list of Lost mysteries / questions and subsequent answers if and when they are revealed.

My suspicion is that when Lost started, there wasn't a plan. No roadmap for the 5 year journey, and now one has been created, but some questions or features that were added early on to generate viewership, may never be resolved.


To point: Smokey - not much known, don't know what the images in the smoke mean, why did it kill Eko, can it manifest as other entities?

Ben, obviously added late last season, and due to popular viewership, had a storyline written into this season.

Same for Juliet.

Where is Rose and Bernard?

Why were Paulo and Nikki even brought to the forefront?

The Black Rock ship...where did it come from? Why was there dynamite in its hold?

Rousseau---Alex?

Dharma founders? Alvar Hanso? What happened to them?

Jacob?

Widmore involvement? Penny and the frozen wasteland guys monitoring for EMPs.

Locke and the pot growers...

Michael and Walt? Where is their boat now?

The whispers in the jungle?

Helicopter? Launched from where?

There are probably a 100 more I can't remember.

With sooo many questions and mysteries being generated, the writers / producers may have no way to explain some of the early question marks, and may be hoping they get forgotten in the new plotlines of Losties vs Others etc.
all the while trying to not jump the shark.

There needs to be some sort of Internet based listing and checkmarks next to those items that get answered with an explanation to keep this sane and from being a disappointment by the show's finale. If they know we're watching all of the questions, we'll hopefully get some sort of resolution.


#134. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at April 26, 2007 5:48 PM

@ransomjackson #93: The longer the participle, the heavier it dangles... ; >

It would be too funny if the next person shot looks at his/her wound & says "It's just a flesh wound!"

I just figured out what the last scene of the entire series will be--all the Lostaways & Others & Other Others (etc.) holding hands in a big line on the beach, accompanied by Charlie on guitar, singing, "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"!

#135. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 26, 2007 5:51 PM

I dont care who comes back to life, as long as it isnt Paullikki...!!!

#136. Posted by: Three men and a baby (I counted Hugo twice...) at April 26, 2007 5:54 PM

Lost Girl you are thinking exactly what I am thinking. Mac believes in some sort of time warp"BS". I think that Darma is trying to fool the "real world" into believing that there is no one that survived the crash. A perfect Darma plan. Why should believe antthing that they want us to. Alittle note: Wanna bet that (in the clip for next week) its not been under the bag but Lockes DaD>>>>>

#137. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 6:04 PM

Hi, long-time reader, first-time poster. There's one thing that really doesn't make sense about the 100% mortality rate for pregnant women: the abundance of other types of animal life on the island. Why would pregnancy=death only affect one species (humans)? There seem to be plenty of boars--Locke even talked about seeing piglets at one point IIRC. Lots of birds, bugs, fish, etc.--they don't seem to have any problems reproducing and carrying to term. Why are only people affected?

#138. Posted by: Mim at April 26, 2007 6:06 PM

Hi, long-time reader, first-time poster. There's one thing that really doesn't make sense about the 100% mortality rate for pregnant women: the abundance of other types of animal life on the island. Why would pregnancy=death only affect one species (humans)? There seem to be plenty of boars--Locke even talked about seeing piglets at one point IIRC. Lots of birds, bugs, fish, etc.--they don't seem to have any problems reproducing and carrying to term. Why are only people affected?

And why hasn't Juliet included animals in her study? She had no problem using mice in her experiments when she was in Miami. Guess they just don't have cages that small.

#139. Posted by: Mim at April 26, 2007 6:08 PM

@trevenator/100 - I'd buy that about Sun not "withholding," except she did tell Juliet she & Jin hadn't done it for awhile right before they left Korea. Sun didn't seem to be lying about any of that. But, given the extreme circumstances (no TV or internet!!!!!), what the heck else would they be doing every night?

#140. Posted by: hurling at April 26, 2007 6:24 PM

my theory:

the others planted another plane somewhere so that the search would be off for the REAL oceanic flight 815.

#141. Posted by: sierramark at April 26, 2007 6:29 PM

my theory after this episode is that:

a. Patchy survived because of the island's healing powers and everyone who has died on the island from treatable wounds could actually survive if they hadnt been buried. that could explain why Patchy shot his fellow "other" and was about to shoot himself.....not really sure this theory has any actual substance so hopefully this will be answered this season....

b. i do not buy into any "cloning" theories....sounds too farfetch'd for LOST

c. naomi's comment on the no survivors of flight 815 could easily be explained as a Widmore coverup if in fact he is "Jacob"...which i believe....

d. and next week's episode....i think locke is lying about capturing benry, like he said in the preview last night, but instead captured his dear ole daddy and tricks sawyer into cappin his ass....idk though....i think mr cooper has some splainin to do with both his son and Sawyer, who took his nickname. i am implying that he is the Saywer that James has been searching to kill

e. and im not sure if this has been touched on, but the producers say that there is a gay character and the only one who has a revealing episode coming up and has no definite orientation that im aware of is Benry.....

great review as always Mac
loved the episode
cant wait for the finale
im expecting (nay hoping) for either a walt or michael cameo

GXG

#142. Posted by: grimgravyX at April 26, 2007 6:30 PM

Mac: "Isn't option A (the baby isn't Jin's) a little better than option B (Sun and the baby die)?"

No! Definitely not, me thinks. If the baby is Jin's, this means love can truly conquer all (even dark times with a bald, annoying, ego-centric Chines dude) and that Sun can now at least feel truly happy about how the crash and the stay on The Island have re-ignited the innocent and pure love she and Jin once had. I was truly happy the upcoming "new kid on the block" is Jin & Sun's :). So, IMHO, A is definitely the better option, Mac. (Sorry 'bout disagreeing with you there, pal ;). I do absolutely _love_ your weekly reviews.)

r-Yawn.

#143. Posted by: r-Yawn at April 26, 2007 6:35 PM

@r-Yawn: Disagreements backed up with supporting opinions are always welcome!

#144. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 6:40 PM

@dantheman: To clarify, I don't actually believe that time warp theory. To be honest, I don't believe any of the theories.

#145. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 6:44 PM

@ r-Yawn/#143: That's beautiful story. The bottom line is that Sun is a F'n cheater! I don't care how lovey-dovey they get, she's still in the grand scheme of things living a lie.

But OMG is she hot!

#146. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 7:01 PM

**Totally Wacked Out Theory Alert**

What if Sun and Jin have not had sex on the island....and Sun already knew that the baby was definitely 'Kareem's'. So she tells a suspicious Juliette a two-faced story (some true regarding the infidelity / some false regarding banging Jin on exile island). All this to see what Jules's response will be after the ultrasound. So when Jules says that Sun got preggers on the island and will die, Sun KNOWS that Jules is full of shiiiiii. Sun puts on her happy/sad face and plays along because the jig is up. She doesn't care if Juliette goes back down into the med-hatch alone. Sun now knows that Juliette is a super-hot mole and who cares if she goes down to scheme or whatever.

Now THAT would be cool. Go tell it on the mountain Sun!!!!!

#147. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 26, 2007 7:15 PM

@Trinity/#118 LMAO.

But that's ok, Trinity. Everybody makes mistakes from time to time.

@Red...Neck...Man/#147
Ain't you a genius! Now we are talking about the level of the Lost writers!

#148. Posted by: laodoufu at April 26, 2007 7:28 PM

To all the posts about Dharma staging the plane crash, I completely agree...

something you all seem to be forgetting is how Dharma can "make" things happen i.e the bus killing Juliet's husband to get her to come to the island

It seems that if they wanted to keep the island a secret bad enough, they easily could have schemed a realistic looking plane crash

First time poster...love your recaps Mac Daddy

#149. Posted by: mikeymike at April 26, 2007 7:47 PM

The one problem I see with Dharma staging the plane crash is the Mikhael story about Dharma and the Others being enemies... anyone remember the Purging. Thoughts?

#150. Posted by: Gitmo at April 26, 2007 7:48 PM

Mac don't get me wrong you are the "Jacob" of this web site. I am humbled that you responed to me. If you come to Canada I will get "a bigger boat". Kudus to you and your work.

#151. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 7:55 PM

@Dantheman: No worries at all. Sorry if it came across as snippy -- that wasn't my intention. Rather, I just wanted to clarify about the whole theory thing. I'm not smart enough or creative enough to concoct my own or latch on to others -- I just sorta go with the flow.

#152. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 7:58 PM

Seems like there are a bunch of first-time posters this week. That's great! Welcome to you all!

#153. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2007 8:00 PM

Gotta feel bad for Jin. First he's on a plane where he is the only person who doesn't speak English. Then he crashes on an island where he is the only person who doesn't speak English. Then someone falls from the sky who speaks every language (including Canadain) known to man.... except Korean.

#154. Posted by: lostsox at April 26, 2007 8:18 PM

I said the same thing about Michael and Walt showing up in another thread, that would definately be a news story!

#155. Posted by: heather Lyons at April 26, 2007 8:25 PM

I said the same thing about Michael and Walt showing up in another thread, that would definately be a news story!

#156. Posted by: heather Lyons at April 26, 2007 8:26 PM

Mac I have posted before...Just nothing interesting enough for you to take note. I still am alittle confused!! Please help me out. Season 1 and 2--The numbers and Dharma are the central part of the show. So we are left with the job to find out why these number are important. k . Then we meet the "others". The numbers become not important any more and Dharma seems to be just a side note. k . Now we have this fertilty thing and it seems that the hole point of this show may be around that. k. Well thats what bugs me about this show. They hammer points, and then they leave them with know real explaination. So we are left with know answers and no real idea about what this show is real about..NUMBERS-DHARMA-OTHERS- FERTILITY-RELATIONSHIPS-PARENTS- SINS-FORGIVENESS ----- AHHHHHHHH..TIME FOR A COLD LABATTS BLUE-EH

#157. Posted by: dantheman at April 26, 2007 9:18 PM

i didn't get much out of this episode at first, but having read the comments I can surmise that a baby concieved and born on this island has some immense value to many people. Seemingly this will drive season 4, and in hindsight all season 1-3 mysteries will all make sense (magnetism?). What this baby is capable of will probably be hinted at in the finale, and likely bring back elements of the 4 toed statue and Jacob (perhaps Jacob was the last one born to the island?) and Ben, who has been born but not concieved on the island?

Well, only a theory.,..

#158. Posted by: uuh...clem at April 26, 2007 10:06 PM

Remember that Des didn't crash with oceanic 815, so Penny would still have a reason to search for Des even if a crash of 815 was staged, so no reason for Penny's dad to stage it

#159. Posted by: lakra at April 26, 2007 10:26 PM

One question - where is Siayed? Did he just throw up his hands and say enough of this other-love-in - I'm go'n fishin! I bet he's watching Juliet's every move. He was all ready to practice his skills on her. He's not just going to walk away.
What he does next will be very interesting!

#160. Posted by: Matt at April 26, 2007 10:32 PM

Anyone else notice the sinister music that was playing when Sun was gardening as if something bad was going to happen? Then Jack showed up? His motives were definitely shady.

#161. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at April 26, 2007 11:20 PM

@CrispySeaplanes/#161: Yes, I agree; the music during the period right before Jack came out of the bushes was eerie. I wasn't sure if it was supposed to remind us that Sun had been attacked before, or if it was directly related to Jack. Were Jack's insistent questions designed to tip Sun off that's something wrong to get her asking questions rather than Jack himself asking questions?

#162. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 26, 2007 11:38 PM

@ 161/162: I'm having a tough time remembering a moment in this series where someone is lurking towards people through the jungle (and that seems to have happened non-stop) and there is a lulla-bye or dance music playing in the background.

'Oh my gosh...Mikhail is lurking....

Heeeeeeeeeeeeey Macarena, Aiiiiiiight!'

It's always sinister music I guess.

#163. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 27, 2007 12:12 AM

I love this blog. I can't wait to see what happens next with the whole Naomi thing (was Penelope with her?), and the "no survivors" thing.

I have a feeling we're in for the most cliffhanging finale yet.

#164. Posted by: James at April 27, 2007 12:21 AM

@159
I was thinking the same thing but what if Mr Widmore didn't want people looking in that area for fear that they may find "his" island? I have no doubt he is the man behing the experiment

Personal feelings on abortion aside, I'm not sure why no one seems to mention this as an option. If Sun did go to Jack for that sort of medical attention, Juliet could really be screwed

#165. Posted by: lostaddict at April 27, 2007 12:58 AM

Wow, great review of a great episode.

My main man Hurley is at it again.

His next flashback will include his boarding of flight 815 as an operative hired by Dharma.

Either that, or the writers are really starting to intentionally make him look shady. Or something else.

Anyway, keep your eye on him.

The girl in the parachute was sent to meet with the new (or same) Patchy. The flare was her signal to be found. Hurley fired it off (knowing about the confrontation that would occur)by accident.

Does Hurley have the ability to see future events or was that all included in his Mission Briefing at Dharma?

Are the Dharma food drops a condition of Hurley's employment? This question needs to be addressed.

#166. Posted by: t-dog at April 27, 2007 1:00 AM

I've been reading the reviews for a while - great job mac!! First time posting though...

Just wanted to make a comment about the d.o.c from the ultrasound - u/s are note necessarily 100% reliable. In fact, the further pregnancy progresses, the more likely a d.o.c from u/s is to be incorrect. Juliet would definitely have an out if she was lying. If she wasn't, she could easily be wrong about the d.o.c anyway so that Sun and Jin could have been together at the right time. It's only an estimate.

#167. Posted by: Hannah at April 27, 2007 1:14 AM

@mac: Great job, as usual. Ho-Mom. Hee-hee!

Who is Jin’s father? There are so many mis-“conceptions” among this group, we’re gonna need Maury Povich to sort it all out.

Could Mr. Paik be the father, as well as father-in-law? Yuck, I sure hope not! Someone mentioned Marvin Candle. (Because he’s Asian? I don’t know. Namaste.)

Anyone else in the vicinity when Ho-Mom was painting the town red (light district)? According to Lostpedia, Jin was born in 1974 in Namhae, South Korea. Other than locals like Sun and Mr. Paik, the only other character I could find with a connection to South Korea was Kate’s step-father, Sam Austen. He was stationed there when Kate was conceived (leading to Kate’s discovery that he was not her real daddy.) Kate was born in 1977. Could Sam Austen be Jin’s father?

On another topic, I definitely think Sun has plans for Juliet that we haven’t seen yet.
After leaving the hatch, Sun looked like she was thinking HARD and not about the baby. For a minute, I thought she would follow Juliet back inside. But I love all the great theories mentioned above. Is Sun playing Juliet or is Juliet playing Sun about the DOC?

Michael better not be the father of Sun’s baby! Just as bad to think maybe it was Charlie when he faked being an Other to kidnap her! I’m rooting for Jin as the baby daddy. And, yes, I can understand why she would want the baby to be his, even if it means her life is in danger. (And, yes, maybe I’ve watched Love Story one too many times.)

One last comment @CA Mileham #41: How do string physics and the alternate universe theory explain the “good” and “bad” list? You Lost me there.

I really enjoy all the post-ers here. You guys are the best (and incredibly smart!)

#168. Posted by: Clementine at April 27, 2007 1:15 AM

@165: As I understand it, the preggers disease is contracted at conception, and the mother's death is the result of the disease itself, not the progression of the pregnancy. So even if Sun had an abortion, it wouldn't save her.

#169. Posted by: James at April 27, 2007 1:31 AM

@James/169: You could be right, but I don't think they know for sure, since they haven't tried aborting any of the fetuses.
Another point is, it's not so easy to perform an abortion without the correct equipment or drugs. That's why so many women died from them for centuries. Juliet may have D&C tools in case of a natural fetal death, but that's only good for a certain window, and she sure wouldn't let Jack have it. Sun may be the one who knows the right combination of herbs to induce it.

#170. Posted by: hurling at April 27, 2007 3:26 AM

Mikhail's comment at the end got me thinking about a matter brought up in "the Man from Tallahasse". Locke is not in a wheel chair, but Ben is. Has Ben DONE something to make the island stop healing him? Maybe it's time Smokey met the Benster! But if the island doesn't heal "bad" people, why did it heal Sawyer?

Speaking of dropped plots, when Juliet was trying to get Jack to kill Ben, she said that many or several (I forget the exact wording) of the Others wanted a change...so long as it looked like an accident? Was she lying then, or are there other Others waiting to see Ben kick it?

I am looking forward to the Locke and Daddy and Sawyer (James, that is) story next week...but how many more Locke flashbacks can they do? I mean, now that we've seen him thrown out a window, what else do we need to see? Did he help Sawyer's baby mama with a con, too?

@Crispy Seaplanes, depending on if you use North, South, East or West with the coordinates, you end up in different places. You shouldn't have ended up anywhere near Africa, that's the opposite side of the world from any of those coord combos!

#171. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 27, 2007 3:53 AM

"D.O.C." = "Date of Conception" or "Dead on Conception"? (like D.O.A., Dead on Arrival)

I'm glad to see Mikhail back. I thought he was a great character, and was sad when he "died" after only two episodes.

@etew (and others): Sun may well have followed Juliet back into the medical hatch and spied on her & the tape recorder session -- that's the sort of thing likely to be revealed in a later episode (maybe Season 4?).

The identity of the hypothesized Wreckage Planter: I vote for "Jacob," whoever he/she/it is, because Jacob has a vested interest in protecting the island's secrets. But Widmore? Why would Widmore care? Desmond wasn't on the plane, remember... That hypothesis only makes sense if Widmore's alter ego is Jacob, or some other island-connected personality (which, to my knowledge, is so far unproven).

@ The Duf (post #56): That's a spoiler, dude. A lot of folks like me don't watch the previews for next week. It's cool to post them here, but give folks fair warning that you're about to reveal something about what happens in the show's future. Thanks!

#172. Posted by: Callan at April 27, 2007 6:57 AM

Long time reader, long time poster...

I HAVE read all the posts, yet my memory sucks so please be gentle if I repeat something.

1. When Naomi said there were no survivors, she DIDN'T say they found the bodies specifically. So, it would make sense to assume there were no survivors since none have been found.

2. I just don't buy the producers statement that there is a logical explanation for everything. I'd really like to see them explain the island's healing factors.

3. Whoever it was that stated patchy might still be alive - you are AWESOME!

4. There are some really great ideas in these posts, but I don't think anyone has questioned why Sun didn't just have that lady killed right off by her dad. Come on, that would be the best solution.

#173. Posted by: meg at April 27, 2007 9:19 AM

I got a question about the whole Spoiler mentality.

Isn't this whole review a spoiler?
If you read the review, you know what happened, right?
As for next weeks previews, well they have been known to do some "creative editing" so that what they show sometimes turns out to be not even close to what actually happens.


Thanks for the great review as always, Mac.

#174. Posted by: Zeppo at April 27, 2007 9:26 AM

Regarding the inability for women to carry to term on the island:

In Juliet's flashback two episodes ago, Alpert is trying to convince Juliet to go with her gut and go through with the job- he tells her "You created Life where Life isn't supposed to be". When he says this he is referring to Rachel's barren womb. But, this could have a duel meaning... what if "Life isn't suppoed to be" on the island? What if it was never meant to support human habitation? If that's the case, the the island is trying to stop people from procreating and creating MORE life there.

As a counter-point, if the above is true, then why does the island multiply the sperm-count of men, why does it heal the wounded and why does it seem to attract people? (The planes/baloons/boats that have crashed here).

Overall, I liked this episode. I want Patchy's return to be explained, though- more than just "the island healed his wounds" you know?

#175. Posted by: sarah c at April 27, 2007 9:38 AM

Jules is shown to have a desire to leave the island by any means at her disposal, but she must provide a live birth of a child conceived on the island, so.........Jules is pleasantly surprised to hear that Sun slept with another man before arriving on the island (and this pregnancy will most certainly provide a live birth). Jules provided Sun with test results belonging to someone else, making Sun believe the baby is hers. Jules tells Sun (fraud) that the baby's father is Jin. Sun believes Jules. Jules makes this information available to Ben in hopes that Ben will also be duped. Therefore, when the baby is born Jules will be free to leave the island (maybe). Jules has just performed her own "long con".

#176. Posted by: Len at April 27, 2007 10:33 AM

you all know your gay, thought so!
Å® 176. Posted by: damodamodamo


I must have missed something . . I’m not entirely positive what this post has to do with the subject matter at hand, but nevertheless, and regardless of the obvious bigotry implied, herein lies a very good lesson in the power of proper grammatical foundations in sentence structure, most of which are taught well before the junior high public school level.

I believe your post should probably read:

You (capitalize the “Y”) all (already implied - probably better stated as “All of you . . . ) know your ( should be the contraction “you’re” for “you are” - contractions are usually first introduced at the fourth grade level along with all those homonyms, like “There, Their, and They’re”.) gay (Followed by a “?” question mark, also known as an interrogation point, indicating the full stop at the end of an interrogative sentence.)

thought so (Probably better as a separate sentence, however the “T” would have to be capitalized.) Suggested alternative sentence would be something like, “This is my personal perception.”

Remember, Good Grammar Makes the Man.

#177. Posted by: davidrh at April 27, 2007 10:40 AM

@davidrh: Now I regret deleting those posts ;)

#178. Posted by: mac at April 27, 2007 10:44 AM

@davidrh - You rock!!! :)

#179. Posted by: meg at April 27, 2007 10:48 AM

mac. If you want to take mine off now, that's fine. It won't make much sense now that the original post is gone.

DRH

#180. Posted by: davidrh at April 27, 2007 10:51 AM

If good grammar makes the man...I am toast!
@mac...now that the numbering system is up and running, can you delete the post content, but not the post? JUst keep the post as a placeholder? If you delete post, say 42, after 108 posts, that messes up the post people may be referring too. Please do not take any offense, your blog rocks! Mine is just a pebble, that can easily be snatched from someone's hand.

#181. Posted by: onelostdude at April 27, 2007 10:56 AM

@davidrh #177

That was great. Very well said and an excellent way to handle a really rather silly and useless post.

#182. Posted by: AmyK at April 27, 2007 11:05 AM

@Meg
1) A crash in the open ocean would make it hard for anyone to survive (normally). Impact followed by lack of flotation devices plus Dharma sharks would severly minimize survival chances.

4) Having Sun ask her father to kill the blackmailer would also be an insult to Jin showing that he had to turn to his father-in-law to take care of his business. Sun was probably guessing that the lady was Jin's mom when she confronted her. Making the money disappear satisfied Jin (thinking she returned it) and her father (making Jin his biatch). There is a lot of saving face/keeping secrets in Asian culture.

#183. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 27, 2007 11:09 AM

I agreed with the ideal that Naomi thinks there are no survivors because the media reported finding debris and wreckage from the plane. But as for these things being planted by the others/Drama/Jacob, I believe they found wreckage and debris from flight 815 that drifted from the beach when it all washed away. If you remember from season 1, they had to move because the beach was being washed away and was taken the wreckage out to sea.

#184. Posted by: michael at April 27, 2007 11:10 AM

@142-the gay character is Tom/Zeke. That was revealed quite early this season when he watched/guarded Kate in the shower. He made it quite clear that she wasn't his type.

I've been giving a lot of thoughts to the island, though, mostly in connection with Desmond. What if the island is like Brigadoon: only present for a short window? That would explain why it is so difficult to leave (the bloody snowglobe) or why the island isn't on a map. It would also make it possible for only Penny to find him as not only does she have enough money, etc., but she loves him enough to *wake Brigadoon* and bring it out of the mist.

2d: the whispers. There was a Star Trek episode where there were remnants of a civilization living at an accelerated rate. They sounded like flies to the Enterprise crew. Interestingly, the men were all sterile and this group kept accelerating different species with the goal of an attempt to mate (it never worked, the species they selected couldn't survive at that level.).

Maybe Mikhail was running toward the beach and surprised to see Hurley as part of the Enter 77 plan was a rescue of their team after the structures were destroyed. Just some guesses.

But what is still hanging out there to me are the mysteries of: Walt backwards-talking, all of Walt's abilities (which his step-father Brian feared and the Others wished to study), Kate's horse, why Alex's crew all got sick (men and women).

Sorry for being so wordy this week.

#185. Posted by: boharpe at April 27, 2007 11:22 AM

@davidrh: Please ignore the trolls :)

#186. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at April 27, 2007 11:24 AM

Guys...............We're gonna need a bigger Ultra Sound Machine !!!!

Thanks Mac for making my week with your comments.

Mom ?????

#187. Posted by: PJ in Paradise at April 27, 2007 11:34 AM

Did anyone notice that when Hurley fired the flare....just as the flare exploded there seemed to be an effect in the sky that resembled ripples in water after a pebble is dropped. Did anyone else see this or was it just the drugs?

#188. Posted by: Len at April 27, 2007 11:38 AM

Regarding the post about whether people with serious wounds would survive if they were not buried, I believe we saw the rotting corpse of the "Other" Goodwin that Ana Lucia killed.

Also with the scene which clearly showed Ethan breathing, I have always thought that a blooper, however I saw on a site that in "The Other 48 days" you could see a white van in the background many regarded it as a blooper, but then a white van appeared in "Tricia Tanaka is Dead"

But maybe Mikhail was just in that group of people that Isaac of Urulu mentioned in "S.O.S" that could harness the energy of places such as the island.

#189. Posted by: Sky at April 27, 2007 12:29 PM

D.O.C. = Dead on Crash
Naomi's statement to Hurley is too big to be a red herring. It makes sense that all the passengers died in the crash. But then what happened to them? Many cultures believe that when you die on earth you are re-materialized in either Heaven or Hell. Some cultures believe that you are re-materialized with the possessions around you when you die. Just before a person dies, it is said that that their life "flashes" before their eyes. This could be data collection from a person's memories for the re-materialization in the next realm.
What if the 815ers landed in Hell but don't know it? Hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone. But what if it is an island of pychological fears and tedious eternity is one's penance? (punching in numbers every 108 minutes, staring a TV monitors, watching patients die in OR, running away from Smokey).
In hell, a pregnant woman who dies can come to term; but a woman in hell can't come to term to create a "new" life.
But this little corner of Hell is special because Satan's minions (Ben's business card) are on a special mission: to create new life to go back through the Gate to Earth as the Devil's Hell Spawn army for the Rapture/Judgement Day. Juliet's research is all about creating new life where it should not occur naturally. That is why Ben will never allow her to leave.
So once the 815ers realize that they are "dead," and the evil purpose of the island Others, the epic battle between Good and Evil will occur.

#190. Posted by: welh at April 27, 2007 12:34 PM

@ post # 190(welh)

Dude, that was like the greatest theory ever!!!!

#191. Posted by: Rock1149 at April 27, 2007 12:46 PM

@ #134

Anyone remember Neal the Frogurt Guy?

Shout out to Jiggy.

The episodes just get better and better...and of course Mac's reviews are awesome.

IWAE (it was an escaltator)

#192. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 27, 2007 12:58 PM

@ #134

Anyone remember Neal the Frogurt Guy?

Shout out to Jiggy.

The episodes just get better and better...and of course Mac's reviews are awesome.

IWAE (it was an escalator)

#193. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 27, 2007 12:59 PM

sorry about the double post.

#194. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at April 27, 2007 1:00 PM

If the island's healing powers are so great, why couldn't Kate's Marshall recover/survive?

→ 32. Posted by: MacistheMan

Wasn't the marshall essentially killed by the Losties? Didn't someone "put him out of his misery" and kill him?

#195. Posted by: Sam at April 27, 2007 1:15 PM

→ 190. Posted by: welh at April 27, 2007 12:34 PM

Interesting theory but it has been put out there before. The writers and producers have said they are not in Hell or anything like hell. I believe this was at the end of season 1 or the being of season two. If you review some of Max’s review from then you will see this talked about.

#196. Posted by: michael at April 27, 2007 1:16 PM

There is one big problem I see with the 'Juliette is lying about the DOC to con Ben into letting her off the island because she gets him to believe that there is a healthy island-conceived child and mother' theory. The problem is that Juliette would have to explain to Ben how Sun had a month and a half premature baby that looked like a perfectly healthy 9 month baby. I'm fairly certain that Ben would then want Juliette to duplicate this wonder process for having healthy island-conceived births if he is looking at a perfectly healthy 9 month Jin Jr. that's supposed to be a 7 1/2 months baby.

On that note, it begs the question that if we are getting near the 'death zone' for moms on the island, would Sun and Jin go for an abortion if it would save Sun. Since we know that as of right now it is 100% mortality rate for pregnancies (both child and mother), they should at least try to save Sun. I suspect that because of whatever Ben has over Juliette, she will not make that suggestion, but I wonder if Jack would. Could lead to a very interesting fight (between Losties and Ben's Others) over how to deal with Sun's (and any other Losties') pregnancy.

#197. Posted by: chudan at April 27, 2007 1:24 PM

@134 - there is a Lost Wiki called Lostpedia that has all the details of every theory and every crackpot idea out there.

As an aside, why is everyone so sure that the alleged recovery of 815 is a cover up by Widmore to keep anyone from finding the island? That's an awfully big cover-up to try and execute.

Is it because people are opposed to the idea that the producers are probably lying to us all the time? They SAY that the show isn't some sort of afterlife or has little to do with alternate timelines, but how do we know they're not fibbing?

Remember, these are the people who said just last fall that Niki and Paulo were goign to be major characters until they succumbed to fan pressure and "killed" off Niki and Paulo. These are the same producers who killed of several folks at the end of season two - not because it was part of the story, but because the actors wanted to leave the show. These are the same producers who had a 3 episode arc for Benry and because of the huge success of his arc, he's now a regular character.

Which makes me wonder - does anyone know if Jacob was mentioned before Ben became a regular? I wonder if Ben was the original "Him" until they decided to keep Ben around and created "Jacob" to be the new "Him"?

Not that I mind - come on, it's better as an organic show for sure.

But let's not expound upon theories as if they're carved in stone because who exactly can we trust? We can only put our faith in what we see executed on the screen.

#198. Posted by: Sam at April 27, 2007 1:27 PM

@ posts 32/195

"Wasn't the marshall essentially killed by the Losties? Didn't someone "put him out of his misery" and kill him?"

The definitely did (Sawyer tried and failed, Jack went through with it), so I think that explaines that. But what about Boone? Why did he die of his injuries? Were they just "too much" for the island to cure? And what about all the original tallies that died? Didn't one guy die of a broken leg? Any why didn't Shannon and Ethan survive they gun-shot wounds when Sawyer and Sayid survived theirs just fine (I realize they were both "flesh wounds" while Ethan was shot like 5 times and Shannon was shot in the stomach- I'm just saying).

So what are we to believe the island is capable of healing? Only non-life-threatening injuires? Or does it have to do with WHO is getting healed and not the injury at all?

And where does that leave Patchy? I'm pretty sure brain leaking out your ears is life-threatening, so how did he survive? Why would the Island WANT to heal him? I'd prefer to believe that the fence wasn't on, and Patchy somehow faked the whole thing. I'd feel a little let down if they (the show) says he just "healed" by the grace of the island. Anyone agree?

I just now had another thought- Maybe the Fence has nothing to do with people at all, maybe it is JUST there to keep Smokey away. Maybe it can't hurt people, or maybe it just knocks them out, but doesn't kill. Who knows?

#199. Posted by: sarah c at April 27, 2007 1:29 PM

***** SPOILERS *****

Possible spoiler info I noticed from the Lost Media site for the next episodes' previews and promo photos.

It looks like Locke, Sawyer and Rosseau are in the hold of the Black Rock with whoever is hooded. At first I thought it might either be the remnants of the blown up hatch or another damaged/abandoned hatch, but when you look at the blown up photos (especially the promos) you can clearly see wood plank walls, wooden barrels and boxes, assorted rope rigging and heavy chains, and the familiar box of dynamite (labeled EXPLOSIVES) the helped lead to Artz demise. So, somehow, they all end up in the Black Rock, if my observations are correct. Also, based on the shirt that the hooded person is wearing in the preview screen caps for next week and the shirt Locke's dad was wearing in the closet at the end of Man From Tally (my current residence), it looks like it is Locke's dad that he brings to the Black Rock and wants Sawyer to kill.

#200. Posted by: chudan at April 27, 2007 1:45 PM

Some speculations, in no particular order:

- Smokey is under direct control of
someone.
- This person is likely associalted with
the Others. My gut says Patchy but
this is a complete guess.
- As soon as flight 815 crashed, a
coverup/diversion was set in motion to
fake another crash to stop further
searching.
- Smokey was at the cockpit in the pilot
to retrieve the 'black box' to plant
at the fake crash.
- Patchy is something of a loose cannon
with his own agenda. He is not
above crossing Ben if it suits him.
- Widmore is likely involved in the
fake crash but might not know
Desmond is on the island.
- The plane for the fake crash may have
come from the airline we saw when
Juliette left Miami.
- Patchy was badly injured by the
sonic fence but was aware that if he
passed through quickly it would not
necessarily be fatal.
- Locke pushed Patchy through the fence
which might mean that he also knew
it would not be fatal. Perhaps he
has been working with the Others for
longer than we thought. As he started
to shake and foam, Patchy thanked
Locke.
- Other people we thought dead might
not be, but most are. A candidate
to be alive is Picket. Likely still
dead are Boone, Shannon, Goodewin,
Nathan, Anna-Lucia, Libby, Nicki,
Paulo, Arzt, and Generalissimo Franco.
- Kate is probably pregnant, but so
might be everyother surviving 815
woman. Given the lack of anything
else to do!

#201. Posted by: Stupid Toad at April 27, 2007 1:47 PM

It would be extremely easy for Ben and the Others to seed a faux crash location to act as a red herring for potential search and rescue efforts for Flight 815. A good portion of the tail section ended up in the water to start with, including whatever bodies were still in or around it. It would be fairly easy for Ben's seaborn commandoes (the same folk who snatched the sailboat) to grab enough debris that floats with Flight 815 id on it (floating seats, monogramed cloth napkins, bouyant parts with part ID numbers, luggage with flight tags, etc.) and bodies with ID (both killed in crash and kidnapped from the beach and then terminated) to create a good enough debris field. Just load it on or tow it behind the sub, cut it loose near a peotentil crash site, and then have someone radio it in to authorities or a passing ship. Ben, IMHO, would have no problem using the dead or captures he has no use for to seed such a crash site to make it more believable. Also, it brings into question what REALLY happened to Mike and Walt after they left the island. Ben did let them leave, as he promised, but he never said he would let them rach safety somewhere else....

#202. Posted by: chudan at April 27, 2007 2:02 PM

@Stupid Toad #201:

The black boxes are actually in the rear of the plan, even the cockpit voice recorder. They are also orange to make them easier to find. Never understood why they are 'black boxes.' I did like the idea of Smokey, or someone else, retrieving the boxes to plant at the fake crash site. The flight recorder would have to be altered, it would record the latitude /longitude and altitude of the aircraft. It may even record GPS info as well.

#203. Posted by: onelostdude at April 27, 2007 2:04 PM

@davidrh/#177: Loved it--& welcome to the ranks of the Punctuation Police! ; )

#204. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 27, 2007 2:57 PM

Now, I don't watch the show while holding a comb (ie. so I can comb over the details) but I was under the impression when the parachute woman said "They found 815 and everyone was dead" that she meant they found the plane and that everyone was dead. Not that they found some of the plain and they assumed everyone was dead.

Which, of course, is possible. But to me, she seemed completely amazed that there would be anyone from 815 talking to her, so either they found the whole plane or the "plot" to cover it up was so effective that everyone thought they had the whole plane. No way would anyone be as incredulous if there was some possibility of there being survivors (ie. reports taht only the tail had been found) - even the recent cruise ship disaster in which there were reports of two folks being unaccounted for: even in that situation, there's some hope that those two folks are alive somewhere.

I like the theory that Patchy controls Smoky (can't you just picture the sitcom spin-off?) But, why and how and to what purpose?

This show drives me batty. (I love it.)

#205. Posted by: Sam at April 27, 2007 3:09 PM

@Stupid Toad/201

This just in...Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead. ;)

*************SPOILERS *****************

Is there really any doubt about who(m?) Locke wants Sawyer (as in James) to kill? I saw the promo at the end of the episode for next week, and immediately understood it's his dad who(m?) Locke wanted dead. Why would Locke want Ben dead? Sure, he's hurt that Ben tricked him back in the Hatch (his look of disappointment when Hurley delivered that nugget was clear), but he obvioulsy feels some kind of connection to Benry. And he's certainly not gonna kill him if he can reveal insights into the mystical island!

What intrigues me more is when Locke says he needs Sawyer to pull the trigger because he can't! Does he still love his lying, murdering, daddy? Or does he think the island would turn against him if he becomes a murderer and fears its wrath (covering his existensial butt, like the cylons did when they force Gaius to sign the death order on New Caprica if anyone watches BSG. Or like I did with the grammar police!).

But hey, if Sawyer won't...he can always ask Russeau, I bet she'd gladly carve up anyone not on her side!

#206. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 27, 2007 3:15 PM

It seems to me that the most obvious answer about the plane that was "found" is that Tree Girl is lying, as she has been instructed to do.

But that still doesn't explain the picture of Desmond in her book.

#207. Posted by: jessica t at April 27, 2007 3:22 PM

#142, the gay character was already mentioned a few weeks ago, no? I thought it was Boone.

"Boone asks Paulo if he can take a seat from their table but Shannon walks off continuing to yell at Boone and we can clearly hear Shannon saying that Boone should stop flirting with random guys." (from wikipedia)

#208. Posted by: lostie at April 27, 2007 4:14 PM

Okay, so did Patchy see the same beacon the Losties did, and that's the reason why he was searching the jungle (the flair from Hurley leading him the rest of the way), or was he expecting Naomi? I HOPE that Hurley accidentally shot the flair and slipped out the info about the satphone...but given how the writers have shown him manipulating people of late (Sawyer, be nice or you're going to tribal council without the immunity idol! Watch the master, I can make Jin go camping!) I have my doubts...The others specifically wanted hurley to be the one to deliver the message about the fates of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Walt and Michael...they could have asked for anyone else, and there surely would have been people Michael could have asked that would have aroused less suspicion than him insisting it be Hurley. Was there an off screen bargain struck that we don't know about yet? Hurley's keeping as many secrets as anyone else on the island (the lottery, the insane asylum, the invisbile friend) And while he has always seemed to have what's best for others at heart, maybe he was convinced that his actions would help keep the Losties safe...

Just a thought.

PS How much longer do you think they'll be selling those "Save Charlie" t-shirts?

#209. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 27, 2007 4:17 PM

@Red...Neck...Man/#84 "If the show was based in Canada..would Smokey's new name be: Canadian Mist?"

Of course it could be from Sierra too... or if it were in the UK, it would be known as, "London Fog"

#210. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 27, 2007 4:28 PM

I think there is a lot more to the connection between Naomi and Mikhail, especially because of their abilities to speak multiple languages, and especially since Bea kicked into super-rooskie mode when instructing Mikhail to shoot her (how much do you want to bet we see her again too???)...that's an interesting connection between the three of them. Also, it did indeed seem as though Mikhail was running towards the flare, maybe because he knew exactly who to be looking for once he got to where he was running to. Is there any chance that Des knows Mikhail from his experience being in the hatch? Perhaps this is why he let Mikhail go, even after the attempt to "steal" the satellite phone (I put "steal" in quotes because if Mikhail and Naomi know each other, then maybe the phone belongs to the Others...they seem to have a ready supply of various electronic devices...).

And what to make of what Naomi said..."I am not the only one" or "There are more of us..." or whatever it is she said...more of who? People looking for her? Others chasing her? Other rescuers/searchers?

Personally, I will FREAK if we see Eko again (rising from "the dead")...but I know that's wishful thinking!

IWAE!
Namaste...

#211. Posted by: Vikki at April 27, 2007 4:30 PM

@Michael/196
I recall the producers specifically claiming that the show is not about characters in purgatory, which would technically correct if the show is set in Hell.
I also recall that one producer once said early in Season 1 describing Lost as a show about "redemption and rebirth."
Why would the creators drop the revelation that the survivors are dead?

#212. Posted by: welh at April 27, 2007 4:32 PM

@Paul/90 "Why on earth did tree girl speak so many different languages? Surely if you're dying it's going to be less taxing to speak in your native tongue!"

I have a friend that speaks several languages as does his girlfriend. He says that when they go out they find themselves naturally conversing in more than one language and don't really realize it until after they've done it. It would seem that someone slipping in and out of consciousness would do the same.

Grammer police - please be gentle. It has been said of me that English is my second language and that I don't have a first.

Seriously though, - davidrh - classy reply to a post that wasn't worth the time it took to read it. I enjoyed your reply as it made the lost time worth it.

#213. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 27, 2007 4:40 PM

You know, the easier solution would be that the PRODUCERS are lying when they said that the island was not purgatory.

#214. Posted by: Dotty at April 27, 2007 4:42 PM

Other posters have touched on this but not fully...

I don't think the Patchy clone theory works. First off, the producers have debunked the clones theory - but with them and the way they debunk things, you never know.

Also, as noted above, Patchy has dried blood on his ears - presumably from the SDF encounter. If someone were to make a clone of him, I don't think that they would bother placing blood on his ears. He, in addition, seems to demonstrate some degree of hearing loss. (He doesn't seem to hear Jin running after him in the jungle and he motions to Charlie that he can't hear him - although this might just be to taunt him.)

My thoughts are that he knew that the fence would hurt him but not kill him and that he could actually go through it (if you think back, he did go through it and ended up on the other side.)

He said, "Thank you" to John because, once pushed into the fence, he had given him his chance to escape.

I would not be surprised to learn in a later epi that you can actually run through it with little to no permanent damage.

#215. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 27, 2007 4:53 PM

Don't post often cause usually just repeating other ideas/theories but I've read all the posts and have not seen this mentioned. Didn't Tree Girl seem to recognize Patchy and look a little frightened. She was hurt and babbling but seemed to be calm until he showed up and offered to help. Then she started thrashing around and acting like she was afraid and didn't want Patcy to touch her. This makes me think that she was sent by Penny but maybe knew Patchy was connected to Widemore somehow.

@185 - Just 'cause Tom said Kate wasn't his type doesn't mean he is gay. Maybe he just likes blondes. I think he is a little sweet on Juliet.

Just my $.02

#216. Posted by: DB IN BC at April 27, 2007 5:10 PM

This may of been addressed but I guess I must of missed it, when does the results get confirmed for the Hugo cup?

#217. Posted by: Sky at April 27, 2007 5:10 PM

A few thoughts:

-Patchy was pretty clear with Des that Naomi's wound needed to breath (maybe something to do with the island air...)

-Was it just me but when Hurley was calling his mom, I thought I heard the tones while he was dialing, if the batteries were dead this would be impossible (could somebody please verify this point...I can't watch the epi on abc.com, Canadian Mist and all...)

-I was wondering if the fact that Naomi told patchy that she was not alone could possibly confirm that the stuff found by our campers was someone else's (like one of the guys from antartica) Also, if so, is it possible that Naomi was not on board the Helicopter we assumed crashed in the sea but was surveying it from some other type of plane since alot of posts last week mentionned that her flight suit didn't fit with that of a helicopter pilot.

GREAT REVIEW MAC

#218. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at April 27, 2007 5:22 PM

Mac did you notice the picture on the prior's desk in catch-22? :D

ANTP

Seriously though i dont trust tree girl i think shes lying. i think Mikhail was waiting for her. Do u guys think she came because Locke entered 77?

#219. Posted by: Lily at April 27, 2007 5:27 PM

dudes, i'm sorry right, but why are people talking about someone being gay? i was trying to read thru the posts to see if it was a theory or something someone has just realized, but i couldnt find the source!
ive just found people respondin

can someone please explain to me the origin of the gay theory or can the origin of gay theory source mention it again.

(sorry if it makes the person repeat themself!) for my benifit and the benifit of others!

#220. Posted by: Nic at April 27, 2007 5:39 PM

@ 142 said producers revealed that that a character will be revealed as gay and thougt it would turn out to be Ben.

@185 said he thinks gay character is Tom because Tom said Kate was not his type.

#221. Posted by: DB IN BC at April 27, 2007 5:44 PM

DB IN BC

thank you very much! where do these producers proclaim such theories? i feel so left behind!

#222. Posted by: Nic at April 27, 2007 5:48 PM

DB IN BC

thank you very much! where do these producers proclaim such theories? i feel so left behind!

#223. Posted by: Nic at April 27, 2007 5:48 PM


heres a simple math problem

4+8+15+16+23+42=108...hey that number looks familiar I am not just talking about the 108 cases of wine they could only make at the monastery.

#224. Posted by: abigerbang at April 27, 2007 7:01 PM

#65 - I'm with you. I think Widmore = Jacob

#168 - I think Sun is on to Juliet. She had a wierd look when Juliet said she was going back into the hatch. I hope Sun is waiting in the jungle for Juliet and kicks her lying, evil butt.

#219 - I like the idea that Tree Girl is there because Locke pushed 77. It did seem like Patchy was looking for somebody.

How many episodes are left? Are they doing fewer and fewer each season?

#225. Posted by: Juliet_Is_Evil at April 27, 2007 7:13 PM

Hey! The FRENCH WOMAN in the woods - her daughter is Ben's daughter, implying they had sex. Ben said he has never been off the island, means THE FRENCH WOMAN and BEN conceived the now teen girl ON THE ISLAND!

How'd they do that?

Either the French woman was pregnant when she got to the island or Ben did leave the island at some point. We need to explain this teenager (and her boyfriend who also said he was born on the island) Was the moms dying during pregnancy thing something recent?

What happened that caused the baby disaster?

Does leaving the island while pregnant keep you alive?

#226. Posted by: momofteen at April 27, 2007 10:11 PM

Didn't Mikhail say something like "Thank you" to Locke after he was pushed through the security fence? He must have known he wasn't going to die.

#227. Posted by: peb at April 27, 2007 10:13 PM

Re:momofteen/226

Did anyone else cringe at the thought of a flashback episode involving Ben and Russeau doing the "Kate and Sawyer" in the jungle! (BTW, Ben probably not Alex's biological dad)

I am hoping that they one day reveal Ben has a significant Other. My money is on Batmanuel!

#228. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 28, 2007 2:21 AM

I'm wondering if rousseu could be the smoke monster. has she ever been chased by it? have we even seen her being chased by it?

#229. Posted by: Nic at April 28, 2007 5:10 AM

Long time lurker, new to posting. Thanks Mac for providing an excellent forum for all us Lost geeks and for your hilarious reviews--"Mom?" LMAO!!

I've read all the posts and I have something to add. As soon as I saw Patchy emerge from the jungle, I thought "IMPLANT"! It was the implant being activated that make him bleed and foam. I bet all the Others have implants so Ben can control them. We know Claire has one, Ben told Sawyer he had one (and his heart would explode if he got too excited!).

I think Patchy either activated his implant himself, or he was being watched by an Other who activated it at a time when it could prove useful. Or, maybe the fence itself activates the implant? But my vote goes to the fence being off until Juliet turned it back on.

If my theory is right and all the Others have implants, and some of the Losties as well (Jack maybe? Sayid? Kate? I'm trying to think of all the Losties who had been kidnapped or held by the Others), then that will make them completely controllable by Ben. All he has to do is activate the implant, and BAM! bleeding from the ears, foaming mouths and probably pain as well, but NOT death.

We know the Others have various ways of controlling other Others, i.e. Carl in the brainwashing room, Juliet with her "trial" and subsequent brand, and though Claire isn't an Other, Ben can control her as well.

The problem with my theory is that it doesn't really address the healing properties of the island. The writers are definately giving us breadcrumbs about that; Locke, Rose, what Ben says to Juliet about healing Rachel's cancer, and now what Patchy said about Naomi.

But we don't know how the island heals and why it doesn't seem to heal everyone; Ben's tumor, the Marshall, Danny, shot by Juliet, and also the woman on the boat that Sun shot. In fact everyone who has died on the show.

If, as the writers have said, the show is about redemption and rebirth, then maybe the island "redeems" some people, gives them the chance to be "reborn" but other people, it lets them die. This ties in with the whole list thing. The good guys and the bad guys. Locke seems to fit right in with this. Ben was "looking" for him, Locke is spectacularly reborn with paralysis cured and has deep connection with the island.

Eko, on the other hand also has a connection with the island but he is deemed "bad" because of his past deeds and the island literally kills him. However, how Boone and Shannon fit into that, I have no idea. Certainly Shannon was a bitch, but she wasn't really bad. Boone wasn't at all bad, as far as we know, so why did he die?

I think my implant theory still holds in spite of the healing properties of the island, just wanted to acknowledge that there are "other" forces at work here.

My question is, what is the motivation behind Ben's use of implants? Why not just stick an implant in all of the Losties and integrate them into Bensylvania (still my prefered name for the Barracks)? Why manipulate Jack into doing the operation, why not put an implant into him and MAKE him do it? Why set up the whole jealousy thing with Kate-Sawyer-Jack-Juliet? And especially, why tell Sawyer he has an implant and then show him the main island afterwards? And while I'm at it, why drop the whole storyline of Sawyer's implant anyway?

Whew! One theory and a thousand question. Any feedback would be most welcome. We are heading into the home stretch and I think we are on the brink of changing everything we had previously thought about Lost.

Randi

#230. Posted by: En Provence at April 28, 2007 6:26 AM

The producers have previously said that we will not see people return from the dead. Could this have been a matter of semantics? If everyone on the Island is already dead - at least from the POV of the real world - then they can't die again: Mikhail didn't return from the dead, the Island just returned him to a more active state of deadness.

This raises a disturbing question: recall a few episodes ago when we were all mortified at the live burial of Paulikki? If people cannot remain dead on the Island, then the people who have previously been buried may still be alive; alive, buried, unable to move, breath...

Could the producers seriously have this in mind?

And what is to stop our Losties from following this train of thought? Would they dare to exhume someone? What would they be like, driven over the brink of insanity after lying in their own grave for weeks?

And what about Dr Daddy - if the dead walk as a rule on the Island, then why shouldn't he be up and about?

And is it a coincidence that the writers had Hurley tell Juliet where they buried Ethan?

I don't mind admitting that the darkness of these possibilities scares me.

#231. Posted by: Danny at April 28, 2007 7:46 AM

I think is was a ruse when the Russian man died. Remember when Jules had to push Kate thru the fence when they were returning to the Losties camp? Jules had to turn on the fence to keep ol' smokie away from them. Supposidly, the tree girl said in Italian, I am not alone, there are others... Great write up as usual!!!

#232. Posted by: Nancy at April 28, 2007 10:08 AM

Why did Juliet ask Sun about when she and her husband last had sex? Usually the question would be, "What was the date of your last cycle?" When you LAST had sex has nothing to do with it (I mean, the sex does, but not the "last").

I love how the characters have nice new styles. I just bought a pair of pants like Kates at Old Navy!

#233. Posted by: meg at April 28, 2007 10:32 AM

....... Dude, Where are we?????

#234. Posted by: rock1149 at April 28, 2007 11:02 AM

@Danny/231
If everyone on the island is already dead, they could not "die" again in the conventional sense, but they can only "leave" Hell by dying in this realm after their past sins have been redeemed.
The rule could be that an islander can't leave the island by an agency of his own demise, i.e suicide. Example, Patchy wanted Kluge to shoot him and she refused. So he runs through the sonic fence to die, but does not because it was an act of suicide.
Example, Desmond turning the key to implode the hatch was a suicidal act so he rematerialized in jungle.

#235. Posted by: welh at April 28, 2007 11:19 AM

#230 Thanks for bringing this idea to light. I was wondering about Mikhail and made mention that he thanked Locke for pushing him through the fence. Now I'm wondering if it was because he knew he had an implant and that kept him confined to his little compound. Now that the implant has been activated, he is free to roam the island. The implant is designed to keep people under a threat and in place. That was Sawyer's problem on the other island. Kate didn't try to escape and neither did Jack. It's also a possibility that an implant drove Michael to do the things he did.

#236. Posted by: peb at April 28, 2007 11:46 AM

even if mikhale had an implant when the sonic death fence wasn't on and he got pushed though, then how did he get back out of the perimeter of the death fence after juliet turned it back on when her and kate were running form the smoke monster?

#237. Posted by: lostierocker at April 28, 2007 12:55 PM

@ Mac: Certainly, Mac, I didn't suggest writing several recaps for various audiences! What I meant was that in some of your previous recaps, you include so much dialogue it reads like a script (reread your recaps of "Collision" or "What Kate Did" in season 2 or "A Tale of Two Cities" )

Actually, this recap is good in summarizing/paraphrasing dialogue, e.g. "The episode opens with an odd exchange between Jack and Sun in Sun's secret garden (which has now been rebuilt 10 times). Under the guise of "helpful neighborhood doctor," Jack swings by to ask Sun about her pregnancy."
or
" She tells Sun that she's lost nine island patients in the last three years and, for once, she wants to give someone good news (and, presumably, she wants to remember what it's like to be a regular doctor with a regular job instead of an island priestess held captive by a bug-eyed megalomaniac)."

I completely understand bringing up the memorable lines to make a point and your points are good (and funny). But just something to keep in mind, I hope.

Count me in to the "Juliet is not to be trusted" wing of this blog. Very clear that her pattern of lies and manipulation shows that she is ultra-cunning, and will do anything to get off the islands. Sorry Mac, I am not convinced that her statement after shutting off the tape recorder is proof that Ben made her do anything. I agree with copwife @#24 and Len @ #176 that Juliet could just be playing the con against Ben. She equally could be playing a con against the Losties--Juliet could have made that statement just in case Sun was still in earshot to solidify her place amongst the Losties. She loses absolutely nothing by making the statement off the tape, and gains credibility. If no one hears it, no matter. It doesn't even matter whether she is telling the truth or not. Just another card to play if the game warrants it.

I find it interesting reading the posts stating that certain characters like Ben or Juliet have a particular, definite plan or motivation based upon a single statement or action. If we as an audience have learned anything from this show, it is about deception and misdirection! The con artist can work a con in several directions depending on how the target acts. Ben's treatment of Locke in whether he will blow up the sub is a perfect example of having plans within plans, alternate strategies:

1) As shown in the episode If Locke succeeds in blowing up the sub, then Ben can claim victory in keeping Jack on the island and controlling the rest of the Others;
2) If Locke failed to blow up the sub, then Ben could have toasted Locke with his consistent (and impressive, I might add) inadequacy to do the right thing at the right time. Ben could have driven the screws into Locke's flesh by saying that will lapse into paralysis because it is only a matter of weeks before being found, etc.

Frankly, I have always thought the sub was/is a big red herring anyway--the Others must have a larger ocean going vessel to be able to transport the amount of supplies necessary to build these installations or to allow for helos/aircraft to make airdrops. (If you remember, Sawyer made a point of saying in season one about the Other's boat that it wasn't an ocean going vessel) Would you hop in a teeny sub for a possible 1000 mile journey back to land? In 20,000 foot deep water? During storms? Really? In fact, rereading your summary of "The Man from Talahassee" Ben told Locke before he blew up the sub : "Whether you destroy it or let it go, the end result is the same," Ben says. "No one will find this island."
Maybe Ben couldn't care less about the sub at all. Maybe the magic room is a dimensional portal like some have suggested. I dunno. But I digress.

The point is that Ben realizes that Locke's self-confidence can be manipulated to the point that Locke must rely on Ben to figure out what his destiny is. I think that Ben would have shown Locke the "magic room" whether Locke blows up the sub or not. Ben is playing god, if you will. And Ben succeeds in that manipulation because Locke stays behind with the Others to find out. No matter what happened, Ben was going to win in this encounter because, as Locke explained reading people to Walt in season one, Ben is able to read Locke's "tell".

By the same token, I am surprised how many posters are ready to write off Jack as being nothing more than a clone, a pw'd idiot or flesh-eating zombie manipulated by Juliet. The writers of this show have spent large parts of three years supporting Jack as the hero, albeit with interesting and very human flaws. To my recollection, Jack has never deliberately manipulated a Lostie and has rarely ever lied, even to the Others. (The only times I can clearly recollect when Jack lied was to Hurley about Charlie having the flu instead of withdrawal symptoms and lying to Boone, and everybody lied to Boone!) If anything, Jack's sins have been sins of omission, e.g., not telling the other passengers in season one about things as to not decrease hope or scare them; or sharing information with the other Losties. We saw at the beginning of this season Jack's power play with Ben's surgery to get Sawyer and Kate released. Why should we believe that Jack is suddenly limp as dead carp? Jack has a plan and he is keeping the cards very close to his vest. It may be a dumb plan, but I think Jack's got a plan. I don't think the writers would plant the seeds of doubt in our minds about Jack so obviously unless they wanted to rehabilitate him again. Possibly in a heroic death? Hmmmm?

I also like RNM's post @ #147 on Sun--I agree, she could be that devious as well. Showing once again, the ability to play several directions with the same fistful of cards.

As for the crash and whether Dharma faked a whole airliner going down to deceive others, I think the easiest conclusion to swallow was brought up by welh @ #109; that a false assumption was made about survivors based on the wreckage found.

Ok, have fun all
Mark

#238. Posted by: Markymark at April 28, 2007 1:34 PM

Re 230

Ben doesn't want to just integrate people into Losteria Lane. He wants them to WANT to be integrated into it! Just like he wanted Jack to WANT to do the surgery. Juliet reminds Jack at one point this season that they all have free will, and (to draw another Biblical parallel, Ben sees himself as _A_ God) I don't think Ben would be gratified if everyone only wanted to be in his group because they were forced to by an implant. Cindy seemed pretty happy when we last saw her, and Locke chose to go along with the gang rather than try to break out Kate and Sayid.

Ben was deeply concerned about how his people see him, as he told Locke in "the Man from Tallahasse", he can't be seen NOT to be a man of his word. He couldn't blow up the sub, but he happily let Locke go and do it (or at least appear to do it depending on which conspiracy you're buying).

And yes, I know Ben is a conman, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING he says is a lie.

#239. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 28, 2007 2:34 PM

I don't believe that Bakunin had an implant in him, I believe that the SDF was built to repel smokey and is non lethal to humans (well not life threatening anyway).

I also noticed that after Bakunin's encounter with the SDF he seemed to be in awe of the island's healing powers (like he was with Jacob when he claimed he was "A magnificent man")at this point he might have "connected" with the island.

Did anyone also notice in the flashback that the Jin's mother was asking for Dollars and not the Korean currency (Won).

#240. Posted by: Sky at April 28, 2007 3:06 PM

RE: implants. Do you think that Claire's implant (and any one else's that may have one) works more than once, or is it a one shot deal? It will be interesting to find out who else may have been implanted.

#241. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 28, 2007 3:48 PM

@Danny/231 "more active state of deadness"

LOL - sounds like me at work on Fridays

#242. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 28, 2007 3:50 PM

#240. Did anyone also notice in the flashback that the Jin's mother was asking for Dollars and not the Korean currency (Won).

Yes, but I assumed they did this just to avoid confusing Joe Average Viewer who wouldn't know what a "Won" was or how much "100,000 Won" was worth.

#243. Posted by: Jay at April 28, 2007 4:30 PM

Also, American dollars are pretty universal in big cities. They tend to be a good investment in third world countries where currrency tends to fluctuate more.

#244. Posted by: meg at April 28, 2007 5:23 PM

@Sky/240 Having lived in Korea, I can tell you a lot of transactions are carried out in dollars, which were (until the current administration, which has a stated policy of not interfering with the market's determination of the value of the dollar) much more stable than Korean won. She probably should have said "bul" instead of "dalla" though.

On a side note, they crashed on September 22nd. They've been on the island 90 days. That makes it December 21st.

DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME AT ALL?!?

#245. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 28, 2007 11:51 PM

@Markymark/238 - You said "couldn't care less." I think I love you.

#246. Posted by: hurling at April 28, 2007 11:55 PM

@mark: I'm always reticent to directly address comments regarding my writing style since I'm sure it will be perceived as a "defense" rather than a "response." Nonetheless, there are times when I do feel a need to stick up for myself. This is one of those times, so don't take this the wrong way.

As you noted, the reviews used to be much longer. But they haven't been that way for quite a while and frankly, the shorter format works much better for me (instead of six hours of work, it now takes 4 or so). I understand what you're saying and believe me, I've encountered the same "transcript" criticism many times before. It's a common malady (just look at the size of Tom Clancy's first book and compare it to his recent 30-volume epic). I'm aware of my own tendency toward wordiness and I do what I can to offset it.

But there's a flip side to all this, too: these things are what they are. If I truly wanted each review to exist as some sort of masterpiece, I'd spend infinitely more time editing and reworking. But as it stands, I'm writing about a TV show. I certainly care about the reviews, but I also know there's nothing mission critical going on here. That's why I think it's odd that folks sometimes zero in on length, content, etc. If I was producing a TV show or writing a book or even writing an article, I'd certainly expect that type of criticism, but it's odd that a little fan blog chronicling a show occasionally inspires formal critiques. I suppose that's all just part of the creative process and it's the risk anyone takes when they publish something, but there are times when it still confuses me.

Anyway, sorry for boring everyone with this weird little response. It's truly apropos of nothing and I hope folks don't take it the wrong way. I just felt compelled to respond.

#247. Posted by: mac at April 29, 2007 12:21 AM

@mac:
(just look at the size of Tom Clancy's first book and compare it to his recent 30-volume epice),
Clancy is one of my favorite writers, even if has learned to take sub 300 page story and turn it into one pushing 1000 pages. You have good taste. I do not have as much time to read as I used too. Most of my current reading is by some guy named mac......

#248. Posted by: onelostdude at April 29, 2007 12:37 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#249. Posted by: Red..Neck...Man at April 29, 2007 1:39 AM

You ever think the Others planted Kate and Sawyer in their little 'Planet of the Apes' cages with an easy way for them to get at each other, specifically to try to arrange for one of the newcomer Losties to become pregnant?

#250. Posted by: travis at April 29, 2007 2:00 AM

**********SPOILER*************

So much for my hopes of Michael coming back soon, Harrold Perrineau is in the upcoming "28 Weeks Later" and is filming a pilot with Ron Eldard called "Demons" about a whacky gang of exorcists (seriously!)

Walt told me today in the jungle. He was speaking backwards, but I was able to get the gist...

#251. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 29, 2007 3:44 AM

An easter egg has been revealed, in this episode when Sun goes to see her fathr she overhears her father speakin in Korean to an employee.

Translations suggest that Paik was actually talking about forged documents and equipment that the Hanso Foundation was supposed to resolve for him. They seem to have for some reason not done so, causing Paik to threaten that he would get very angry.


#252. Posted by: Sky at April 29, 2007 1:46 PM

@mac/247: There was never a need to respond but I'm glad you did. I don't often post but I have been reading this Lost forum for a while and I love it. Reviews that are long or short, posted at 11 or 12 - I'll take it however/whenever I can.
Thanks for all the insight and LAUGHS.

#253. Posted by: callie at April 29, 2007 6:49 PM

@Callie: thanks very much, I appreciate that. I also appreciate all the folks who come back week after week and make this place an interesting and fun hub for "Lost" discussion. I honestly feel that my reviews are only one part of a vibrant and unique community, and it's *you* guys who truly make this place special. So thanks!

#254. Posted by: mac at April 29, 2007 7:09 PM

hokay, so

I'm totally with the camp that think Cooper(Locke's dad) is also the original sawyer. locke and sawyer have had so little interaction up til now that that's the only reason they would be paired for this upcoming episode. I also think ben had something to do with the discovery of the 815 wreckage, along with penny's dad. i also think paik has something to do with dharma. finally, i do not buy the cloning thing. if they could clone jack, why would they rely on him to operate on ben?

#255. Posted by: Gofrito at April 29, 2007 8:04 PM

I had the feeling that there was something in the conversation between Mr Paik and those guys when Sun arrived. We should get a translation.

#256. Posted by: sjm at April 30, 2007 4:38 AM

Any LOST question suggestions for this week? Let me know ya'll.

#257. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 30, 2007 12:50 PM

OK, this is SOOOO off-topic, but I just had to tell someone, and no one else I know is really into Lost like me. I was just reading the label to one of my hair products, and it's distributed by Namaste Laboratories in Chicago. Not really significant I know, but it really tickled me. :-)

#258. Posted by: Jenna at April 30, 2007 1:24 PM

Funny review, Mac!
A couple of points:
Mac, in response to your comments about the Losties finally communicating with each other, do you think it might be the writers responding to the fan's questions/complaints about the lack of communication? They have answered questions before in the course of the episodes.
As for Naomi's comment about Flight 815 being found, I thought the same thing about the possibility of Ben or Dharma setting up a fake wreckage site to cover it up, but today I realized the forensics problem: if the rescuer operation found wreckage and BODIES (leading to the announcement that there were no survivors), wouldn't there be a forensics team identifying bodies for their loved ones? If Ben or whoever planted bodies, the DNA wouldn't match that of the passengers who were on 815. The only thing I can think of (which someone said earlier) is that Ben had the real remainder of the wreckage planted somewhere for rescuers to find, but there would be no bodies, since the Losties burned all of the dead including those inside the fuselage. So how would rescuers think there were no survivors if they have no bodies?

@Cecil Rose, thank you for clarifying Naomi's translations. I knew what she said to Mikhail was Portuguese, because I remember hearing my Brazilian mother-in-law saying the same thing a few times. But I didn't know what it meant.

#259. Posted by: Christina at April 30, 2007 2:56 PM

@ mac: You owe no one an explanation. Your loyal readers love you just the way you are! I actually enjoy your paraphrasing because it comes out in your own words, in that satirical writing style we all come back for week after week. If someone would rather have verbatim episode reviews, Television W/O Pity is usually pretty exact. But I love all the creative liberties you take because it puts a new spin on them, often in a way I never would've interpreted the lines myself. And there's no minimum word count needed. Quality over quantity!

#260. Posted by: Trinity at April 30, 2007 3:12 PM

@RNM/257 How about which side are Locke, Jack, and Juliet (and maybe even Hurley) REALLY on?

@sjm/256 Sky has the gist of it in 252. I'm not native fluent, but I couldn't pick up anything else when I went back to re-listen to it.

Mac, do your thing! I'm gonna read no matter what, you're insightful and make me laugh out loud!

#261. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 30, 2007 3:34 PM

Mac, don't think twice when writing your recaps. Just keep doing your thing. (Summoning Billy Joel into the magic box...) "We love you just the waaaay you aaaaaaaaaare!"

There are just so many questions this show has conjured up. When we are FINALLY given definitive answers, I don't think we're being fooled. I really believe the whole ultra-sound thing is true. Juliet isn't conning Sun/Ben, nor was Sun lying to Juliet about anything. Jin really is the father. We have a real and true answer to that question. I think one of the main storylines for season 4 (and hopefully 5!) is going to be how Sun becomes Juliet's first island preggo patient who survives.

Re:t-dog #166 (waaaay back there).
All of Hurley's back stories so far have shown us nothing to support any theory that he was sent by, or is working in cahoots with the Others. Nor has his island behavior. While I respect all theories put up for consideration, I think this one is way off. The firing of the flare gun really was an OOPS.

I think Mikhail was running through the forest looking for the pilot he saw falling to the island (blinking red lights). Then he saw the flare and that's what led him to what he thought would just be the pilot. He was really surprised to see the Losties.

I still support the producers' claims that when you're dead on the island you're dead. Mikhail clearly never died then! And they'll have him explain it in a future ep I'm sure.


***** Minor Spoiler Alert *******


For those who don't listen to the pod casts on abc.com that is. The producers have confirmed that nothing happened between Ben and Kate from the time she sat down for breakfast to when she came to her cage. Nothing we didn't see that is. They said the redness on her wrists came from a struggling scene they ended up not using, but there was no scheming or Ben ordering Kate to do something or anything like that.

#262. Posted by: JoePike at April 30, 2007 4:07 PM

...and I don't think the producers are lying to us either! (Death, purgatory, clones, hell, etc...) They may not always give the whole truth for obvious reasons, but they don't lie.

#263. Posted by: JoePike at April 30, 2007 4:10 PM

About the island's healing powers.

Remember the "other" woman that Sun shot and Jack couldn't fix. They had a funeral ceremony for her so I think other "others" have died on the island. So why weren't they fixed.

I think Patchy faked the whole thing with an implant.

#264. Posted by: T at April 30, 2007 4:33 PM

@258. Jenna

>I was just reading the label to one of my hair products, and it's distributed by Namaste Laboratories in Chicago.

A subsidiary of the Hanso Corp, no doubt.

Good Luck, and Namaste!

#265. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 30, 2007 5:43 PM

I hadn’t checked in for several days and Cecil’s last post grabbed my attention, so I went on line looking for the Namaste Laboratories, but was led to “Isabella Gifts” which featured the ENGRAVED NAMASTE STONE, along with various Hindu-centric accessories.

(Hindu-centric? - Is that a word?)

Well, anyway, the advertisement for the ENGRAVED NAMASTE STONE (which basically is a polished rock with “Namaste” chipped on it . . ) states:

"The Divine in me honors the Divine in you." It is remarkable that one simple word, "Namaste," conveys such an enlightened reverence for oneself and another human being, both connected by the thread of the Divine. Keep the "Namaste" Stone on your desk, at your doorstep, in your garden, wherever -- to help guarantee all of your days will unfold stress-free.

Iconoclastically speaking, I love the last line of the ad:

“Stones will vary slightly in size and color. “

Considering the “stress” in the Losties’ camp, I would say that Jack and Company are in need of ONE BIG HONKING NAMASTE STONE this Wednesday night!

WNABNS

#266. Posted by: davidrh at April 30, 2007 6:21 PM

Lost Joke of the Week

What do you call a missing pinky-toe from an 11 story tall monument to an ancient civilization? A Namaste Stone

#267. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 30, 2007 6:37 PM

There are all kinds of simple Asian words that have long meanings...the Koreans have a word that means "to send one's parents on an expense paid vacation".

#268. Posted by: FenwayBen at April 30, 2007 7:02 PM

Good One, O Mighty Mhausen11/RedNeckMan!

#269. Posted by: davidrh at April 30, 2007 8:15 PM

Has there been a connection with the 1977 movie - The Island of Dr. Moreau.

#270. Posted by: Dave Jazz at April 30, 2007 9:00 PM

Wow!! It took me almost a week to read all the posts. Your site is always growing in popularity, Mac. "The Roofies in the fish biscuits!" LOL

For those who think that those short term preggo mothers should be showing....my wife is 20 weeks along tomorrow and she still wears her size 2 jeans. There is no real timeline for showing during a pregnancy.
Also, for those who know about the pregnancy/death issue (Kate e.g.) on the island, shouldn't they take more precautions about the number of intimate moments they share. I suppose the pull and pray method has been employed by Sawyer, but surely there are many men who know that doesnt always work.

I agree with Meg that Juliet's question "When was the last time you and your husband had sex?" was a little weird. I thought to myself "What does that have to do with anything and why would a fertility doctor ask such an ignorant question."

As soon as the episode was over I figured, morbid though it may seem, if I was a lostie I would go dig up the deceased immediately...just to see.

One question I have is...If tree girl knows so many languages, including English, wouldnt she know that Patchy is mistranslating her. If you were dying and being mistranslated, wouldnt you just speak the language most of the people were speaking to you.

On a side note-- D.O.C. is an anagram for cod, which is a fish I like to eat from the chip shops.

#271. Posted by: kilorooster at April 30, 2007 10:20 PM

Hi folks - I've read thru the full blog and didn't see this mentioned.

In the campfire/ghost story scene, Jin is using a flashlight for effect. Kind of wasteful if their battery situation is so dire. They have the original transponder and now the new satellite phone, both needing batteries to run. I would think Sayid could rig something up. Does anybody know if there's some blatant reason that this couldn't be done? Or should I just chalk it up to artistic oversight? Stupid, I know, but this is really bothering me!

#272. Posted by: Wendy at April 30, 2007 10:26 PM

@Wendy/272

Details like that always bother me, too. But then I just remind myself that there’s an entire electrified village available to our beloved self-absorbed Losties, and they have shown absolutely zero curiosity or interest. I know Ben said it was powered by 2 giant hamsters in the basement, but, jeez, shouldn’t somebody check that out? I mean, I assume he was joking, but who knows?

#273. Posted by: Clementine at May 1, 2007 12:36 AM

In the campfire/ghost story scene, Jin is using a flashlight for effect. Kind of wasteful if their battery situation is so dire.
Posted by: Wendy

But then I just remind myself that there’s an entire electrified village available to our beloved self-absorbed Losties, and they have shown absolutely zero curiosity or interest.
Posted by: Clementine


These are two good comments. The “battery issue” has come up before in this blog, even before Jin’s campfire story. (Afterall, way-back-when in the first season, didn’t Hurley go traipsing through the jungle trying to get a battery from the CFW?) They do seem in short supply, but never used for the right thing.

“Beloved self-absorbed Losties” indeed, Clementine! BSAL. Practically every dramatic situation our little island group goes through could be tagged with this closing acronym.

#274. Posted by: davidrh at May 1, 2007 8:09 AM

Maybe there is a legit-island reason Juliet asked Sun when the last time she and Jin did the deed instead of when her last cycle started.

- Maybe island cycles are WAY eratic so aren't a good measure for D.O.C. in that environment.
- Maybe the island makes women fertile 24/7 (eggs runnin' down the tubes every other day...) Watch out Kate!
- Maybe when a man's sperm count jumps up to a hundred million billion quadrillion, they tend to be a little more potent. And maybe they survive afterward a lot longer than normal. So Juliet can theorize that D.O.C. is more like within a week of nookie rather than 14 days (or whatever) after a cycle started.

So all I'm saying is that I don't think we have all the info. Juliet is a professional fertility specialist who knows all of the islands quirks concerning conception- she knows what questions to ask.

Or maybe the writers just screwed up on that one!!!

#275. Posted by: JoePike at May 1, 2007 8:23 AM

@kilorooster/271 "D.O.C. is an anagram for cod, which is a fish I like to eat from the chip shops."

Finally, the indisputable proof I've been looking for. kilorooster = Jacob
:] LOL

#276. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 1, 2007 9:21 AM

Many people assume that Kate is going to become pregnant. Is it possible that what they injected into Sawyer was something to make him sterile? Perhaps it's another form of experimentation.

However, it would make more sense that they'd want her to become pregnant so they could do research on her. Another thought is that they injected him with something that could alter the pregnancy. Maybe the problem with the pregnancies has to do with the male donors on the island.

#277. Posted by: Gris at May 1, 2007 10:12 AM

Whew! Been out of town and just now got finished reading all the posts. Some excellent conversations and GRAA mac.
Here's something that's been bothering me & I don't think it's been mentioned. In several epi's Ben states "I was born on this island." You think that's why he's so "special" to everyone. He survived being born on the island? Of course we don't know where/when D.O.C. occurred, but I get this sneaky feeling this will come into play down the road.
@ welh #109 - Devil's Club Med - LOVED IT!
@ trinity #118 - Come on... there's no need for language like that. I'm surprised mac didn't pull your comment.
@ Crispy Seaplanes #127 - What should Hurley have said when the gun went off? "Dude, that was a bit premature!" - LOL!!
@ davidrh #177 - That was the best comeback to one of the lamest postings I've seen. Nice work.
@ welh #190 - I've been leaning towards this same theory. I think you explained it nicely. If the producers are messing with us and this winds up being Hell or Purgatory, then the world will probably vibrate when every LOST fan shouts "I TOLD YOU SO!" simultaneously.

One other thing that's been bothering me. According to Desmond, Charlie has died several times before. Why can't that same theory be applied to Patchy? Maybe he did die at the SDF, but maybe he also has someone that watches over him (like Desmond to Charlie) that the "next" time he is saved.
My brain hurts again.

#278. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 1, 2007 10:46 AM

@272 Wendy said:

>Hi folks - I've read thru the full blog and didn't see this mentioned.

>In the campfire/ghost story scene, Jin is using a flashlight for effect. Kind of wasteful if their battery situation is so dire. They have the original transponder and now the new satellite phone, both needing batteries to run. I would think Sayid could rig something up. Does anybody know if there's some blatant reason that this couldn't be done? Or should I just chalk it up to artistic oversight? Stupid, I know, but this is really bothering me!
----------------------------------

Hey, I mentioned it last week! Post #12 under Catch 22

Mac lists:
>A satellite phone with spent batteries (of course).

To which I said:
>But given they're using FLASHLIGHTS! to tell ghost stories on the beach, batteries are apparently no problem for the Losties.

I think we've just got to assume that the Losties are not the brightest bulbs in the marquee.

o When they had the hatch nobody much spent much time there.

o No thought to food preservation. "Hey if we've got a lot of pig right now, lets just eat it all, not jerk any of it. After all, more food will fall from the sky tomorrow."

o No one had much interest in helping Bernard build a distress signal.

o "Oh, there's people on the island murdering and kidnapping us. Let's just concentrate on building better lean-to's."

o "Ah, a working truck. Let's just make doughnuts in the turf and listen to old rock music."

o "Gee, a monster that kills people at random - let's just cower here on the beach."

o "Oh, the Others have abandoned a working town with electricity and air conditioning, food, medicine and all the comforts of home. Let's don't move in, or even make a raid to see what we can scavenge."

o "There's a working radio transmitter somewhere on this island. Let's spend 90 days here and make only one half-hearted attempt to find it."

o "A communications station with cows, horses, medical supplies, and loads of documentation. Let's blow it up."

o "A working submarine. Let's blow it up."

o "Hatches full of stuff. Let's visit them once and never again."

o "Some food fell from the sky once. Let's just assume it will keep happening and not try to stretch it as far as we can."

o "Let's don't keep a watch for a passing ship or plane or, what the hell, surveillance satellite, or construct any means of signaling one if we should just luckily happen to notice it."

#279. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 1, 2007 10:58 AM

@ 97. welh Excellent job with the math and recall re Sun and Jin “separation”.

The following information is taken from wwwdotpregnacydotorg. I believe it supports the theory that Sun is actually preggers via her pre-Oceanic affair, but Jules is telling her the baby is Jin’s, perhaps for Sun’s piece of mind (and so Sun won’t have to knowingly lie to Jin) and / or for her own devices.

Week Thirteen – “On your next doctor visit you should be able to hear heartbeat with a Doppler by now”

Week Sixteen – “You might hear the tiny thumps of his heartbeat with an external monitor now.”

If I’m not mistaken, Doppler = sonargram, so Jin is at least 13 weeks pregnant, which would be slightly longer than the time they’ve been on the island.

#280. Posted by: losttravel at May 1, 2007 11:09 AM

Many of you have complaints about the losties lack of trying a couple of things, e.g. the battery issue.
I'm not saying its not possible with the aid of some electronics genius, but when was the last time you took you flashlight batteries out and put them in your cell phone, or satellite phone for that matter.
Regarding going to Bennsylvania, I can find lots of problems with that. No one really trusts each other right now. Jack is held in skepticism by just about everyone. Sawyer is busy making mixed tapes for Kate. Sayid is no longer with his adventuring partner because Locke ditched the losties. Charlie is clearly afraid of the jungle. Who is going to enlist for such a trip, and what are they going to do when they get there??

#281. Posted by: kilorooster at May 1, 2007 12:39 PM

losttravel 280
Just looked up that site and if you look under fetal dvelopment first trimester it says that you can detect a heartbeat at 5 weeks with an ultrasound. I didn't think you could either.
This quote is from that site.
Week Five
First heartbeats begin - If you have an early ultrasound you may not be able to recognize this tiny being as a baby, but there is no mistaking what it feels like seeing your child's heartbeat on that screen. That rhythmic beat is echoed in your own heart.

#282. Posted by: btly at May 1, 2007 1:55 PM

"...Tree Girl screams, but the worst has passed. As her consciousness fades, she looks at Bakunin and says something in Russian. The boys look on, confused. Bakunin claims she thanked him (can anyone confirm this?)."

Tree Girl spoke in Portuguese: "eu nao estou so". It means "I'm not alone".

#283. Posted by: Marcelo Pantoja at May 1, 2007 2:05 PM

279 - Cecil Rose - Loved it!! You are one mighty talented man. I always look forward to your posts.

Your fellow "gotta love the red-shirts" fan,
BunnyLover

#284. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 1, 2007 2:17 PM

Maybe Juliet knows from reading the Kwon files that Jin and Sun were on the rocks before the flight. Maybe when she asked Sun when the last time she had had sex with Jin, she was fishing to see if they were still on the outs or had reconciled.

As always...one can only hope that all will be revealed in due time...

#285. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 1, 2007 2:36 PM

@282

When I was pregnant (last time was 10 years ago), it was *very* easy to see/hear the heartbeat at 8 weeks with ultrasound and you could hear it earlier with use of a machine whose name escapes me.

My sister just had a baby. Ultrasound now is way sharper, in color, 3D, you name it. I am sure they can see/hear a heart beat even earlier. And while Lost takes place about three years ago, I am sure that the Others kept up with technology of the time.

#286. Posted by: boharpe at May 1, 2007 2:38 PM

Couple of notes:

--I'm glad someone else thought of Naomi being an other. The way that she spoke in a language only Patchy would understand, and the way he rushed towards the flare like he was expecting it. They have files on people on the island -- why not have one on Desmond, hence the picture of him and Penny? For getting research on him, couldn't Kelvin have been an other? And it would make much more sense for her to lie to the Losties about the wreckage being found, although it does make sense for the Others to plant *some* evidence to keep people from finding their island..

--There were a lot of theories about Penny's dad covering up the plane wreckage. Only if he works with the others (or Dharma, although they seem to be wiped out). Desmond wasn't on the boat. But as for a rich guy working with someone to plant evidence, he could have done it. For that matter, so could Sun's father (covering up the shame that she ran away?) or even Hurley the lottery winner, for those of you who think he's a bad guy. Whoever suggested he boarded as a Dharma-employee -- for all we know, he could OWN Dharma, like he did Locke's box company!

--I totally agree that Patchy faked it. Even if it was real blood coming out of his ears, that's not necessarily fatal. I have a friend who's deaf, and his ears bleed from time to time due to infections. But most likely, it was an implant, and he had the detonator in his pocket or something.

--With Sun being pregnant, there is one other problem with her getting pregnant at the time Juliet told her: When she took the pregnancy test. I haven't had to use one myself, so I could be wrong here, but isn't 20 days after conception too soon to think you might be pregnant, or for a pregnancy test to work?

--I too am hoping for more Libby backstory. Perhaps Hurley will have a backstory soon about his days in the mental ward, and it will include her?? Just a hope..

--Is there more to come with the whole Paulikki story? Why else would they have showed that they were actually alive when they were buried? JUST to mortify us??

--About the healing.. Ben said he could cure Juliet's sister, Rachel, of cancer. He pointed out how no one on the island has cancer. BUT.. They didn't bring her TO the island, right? So, whatever healing powers the island has, it must be in the water or in the food or something that can be bottled up and taken away. Maybe it's in the Dharma food drops, which is why Boone didn't get any? Or maybe it was just TOO fatal. Other people who died, ie from fatal gunwounds like Libby, Ana-Lucia, Shannon, etc it was too fatal, and people who died upon or shortly after arrival hadn't had time to absorb the healing powers.

--If Ben was born on the island, will we find out what happened to bring his pregnant mother here, or if she gave birth ON the island? Alex was adopted by Ben -- Rouseau said she was pregnant upon arrival. And who are Carl's parents? Maybe some of the others we know?

--Last one: Do you remember many episodes past when Juliet was talking to Jack back at the others camp and bragging about how much info they had on him, and she mentioned that it's no coincidence how much she looks like his ex-wife? I don't think Jack has turned evil, I think he's just ga-ga over Juliet and can't see the wrong she's doing. And I wonder what the look-alikeness has to do with anything, since well after that episode we learned that Juliet had been around for 3 years, long before Jack's plane crashed, so she wasn't imported to get him to cooperate. But is she being used as a set-up for Jack -- is she going to get herself pregnant and run some fun little tests about what happens when you get pregnant on the island and then leave?

#287. Posted by: seakay at May 1, 2007 3:59 PM

. . all will be revealed in due time...
285. Posted by: FenwayBen


Ah . . So you, too, watched "Ever After" last night on HBO, didn't you? . . .

#288. Posted by: davidrh at May 1, 2007 4:01 PM

Here's something random that may have come up before or not (if so, sorry): Way back when, in the hatch, Locke let the numbers go all the way to zero (more than once), and some symbols came up. Remember? I minored in history, specifically ancient history. Those were ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. If someone can post a picture of them, I can translate (I don't have TiVo *sniff*), but it was 3 pictures, a black line, and then I think 2 more pictures? The first 3 said S U M. I didn't have time to read the other word, but I'm sure it was all in reference to 108 being the sum of all The Numbers. BUT, here's the interesting part: whyyyyy was Dharma using Ancient Egyptian in the first place? And how is Dharma connected to the numbers?? (on the hatch door, noting the sum on the counter..)

Mannn, if Hurley wakes up at the end of season 5 and it was all a dream while he was in the cookoo house.. I will be pissed.

#289. Posted by: seakay at May 1, 2007 4:34 PM

I was just thinking of a line from last weeks ep that seems really important, yet overlooked. Juliet, in a back story was giving Ben a tongue lashing and asked him why he had cancer if the island prevented it. He replied in a semi-whine "I don't know". Did that seem strange to anyone else?

#290. Posted by: kilorooster at May 1, 2007 8:36 PM

The Island healing powers do not work for everyone, or many would not have died from injures (marshall, boone, etc.)

Somehow the Others can tell the difference of the ones that can be healed and the ones that can't. That's what they mean by the "lists", they make lists of the ones that can be healed - that can commune with the Island.

The Others kidnap part of the people on the "good" list, and they explain the healing powers of the Island, making it appealing for the kidnapped to go along. That's how the kidnapped seem so assimilated by the Others.

#291. Posted by: Next at May 1, 2007 9:00 PM

If you look at a screen cap of the baby monitor very carefully, you'll see that Sun's baby was conceived in first class bathroom of Oceanic flight 815. Way to go Jin!

#292. Posted by: vs. Goliath at May 2, 2007 1:23 AM

@davidrh/288 I confess I have SEEN Ever After. I used to run a video store and we could only show PG or G rated films, so it made the cut at some poinf in the 10,000 hours I worked for them. I also saw it on my HBO listings, and chose not to DVR it...Does it hold up to repeat viewings?

On a Lost note, any chance Jack is "protecting" Juliet because he thinks he is helping her get back at Ben?

#293. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 2, 2007 5:41 AM

@FenwayBen/293 "...any chance Jack is "protecting" Juliet because he thinks he is helping her get back at Ben?"

I think that Jack has something up his sleeve - part of which is the ol' "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" strategy. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and if he can keep the Beachies on his side while he does it. It's a delicate balance, this tightrope of deceit.

As to your comment, Jack and Juliet share a common enemy. I don't think that Juliet has made up her mind yet though. She could go either way and Jack knows it. As long as Jack thinks that there is hope for her to betray Ben, he'll let her stick around.

Of course I could be wrong and it could just be a simple case of thinking three feet lower than one should.

#294. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 2, 2007 8:08 AM

My take on the Jack and Juliet thing is that Jack's sweet on her because A. She's a doctor, and 2. She didn't sleep with Sawyer in a bear cage after a moonlight dinner of fish biscuits and armpit sweat.

BTW - I'm convinced that's why the Others put her in the cutesy sun dress...to up the "oh boy I'd like to get me some of that" factor for our boy Ford, and get her pregnant and use her as a lab specimen AND to get Jack to do Ben's operation. Two Hurley birds for the price of one...so to speak.

#295. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 2, 2007 8:17 AM

@ransomjackson/295

I agree. Remember that one of the reasons Juliet was chosen was, if we look back a few epis, she looks like Jack's former wife. Question is, has Jack found enlightenment since being on the island? Or does he still have blind blonde ambitions?

You're right on regarding Kate, the dress, cage, and biscuit boy.

#296. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 2, 2007 8:36 AM

Re: #287 seakay
"...isn't 20 days after conception too soon to think you might be pregnant, or for a pregnancy test to work?"

Speaking from experience, no it's not too soon. My wife and I have had a couple of positive preggo tests just a day or two after she's been late. Assuming she ovulates on day 14 and has a 28 day cycle, that's a true positive coming up just 15 or 16 days after conception.
(For all you Lost fans under 10 who are reading this... what I mean is we took a STORK test, and he agreed to bring us a baby...)

"--Is there more to come with the whole Paulikki story? Why else would they have showed that they were actually alive when they were buried? JUST to mortify us??"

Yes, that's exactly right. Their demise was for pure shock value and to give two widely despised characters a fitting send off as a gift to the fans. The producers have said they won't be back (when yer dead yer dead!), so flashback-land may be the only place we ever see them again.

#297. Posted by: JoePike at May 2, 2007 8:52 AM

@296 bcre8ve said:

>...Remember that one of the reasons Juliet was chosen was, if we look back a few epis, she looks like Jack's former wife.

Do we really believe this? That Juliet was chosen THREE YEARS before Jack set foot on that plane for resemblance to Jack's not-yet-former wife? Or is it that Ben just exploited an existing resemblance?

#298. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 2, 2007 9:32 AM

I re-watched this episode last night and still think Hurley made a call on the satellite phone. If you listen real close you hear button push sounds as he is dialing. Also the way he said "Mom" I felt he was responding to her saying hello.

I record the episode so I can watch again after I read Mac's reviews but it is on a VCR. Can someone who has better equipment then I check this out and let me know what you think?

#299. Posted by: michael at May 2, 2007 9:44 AM

@Cecil Rose

It is definitely Ben just exploiting an existing resemblance. I was using that statement to point out that Juliet is the type that Jack would fall for (I guess I could have worded my response better). I wasn't speaking to Ben's foresight. If Ben did indeed chose Juliet to con Jack, it was a decision made at the moment by considering the resources at hand - not three years ago.

#300. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 2, 2007 9:54 AM

Best Line: "Mom?" -- Hurley pretending to call his mother on the dead satellite phone. - Mac

As Mac said above in his Recap, that was a great line. But it was just Hurley screwing around. He wasn't really making a call- he couldn't. Just some wishful thinking on his part. He doesn't have any mysterious alterior motives, and it would serve no purpose for him to fool anyone into thinking the phone is dead when it really works.

It was just an entertaining little moment the Lost writers threw in there. Worked for me!

#301. Posted by: JoePike at May 2, 2007 10:34 AM

I got the strangest call last Wednesday night while I was watching the show. Some dude on the line asking for his mom. Must of been a wrong number. I just hung up on him.

The nerve of people calling during Lost!

: )

#302. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 2, 2007 10:38 AM

Man, some of the theories here are whacked! it's fine to go out on a limb but don't fall off the branch. I know there will be some twists and turns but c'mon, Naomi is not an Other and I'd be shocked if, say, Hurley or Jack was as well, or has become one. C'mon people. The Producers don't lie, I'm sure they laugh at half the stuff they read. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they will make "sense" of everything in the world they have created. They know having one person out of many come back from the dead would look foolish so I can gurantee you whatever the explanation for Mikhail, it won't be he was dead and now he's not.

Oh, and Mark, you like to hear yourself write apparently. We don't.

#303. Posted by: Jr at May 2, 2007 12:26 PM

Looks like someone's been drinking the 'Hater-aide'!!

#304. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 2, 2007 12:39 PM

How do you slam someone for liking to hear himself write and then triple post. Oh the irony!!

#305. Posted by: kilorooster at May 2, 2007 12:44 PM

Odd point from D.O.C.:
did anyone else think it was creepy/strange that Kate was washing herself in the survivors drinking water basin? And no one objected?

#306. Posted by: welh at May 2, 2007 1:01 PM

@ welh/#306: The hottness of a situation always trumps any sanitation issues!

#307. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 2, 2007 1:03 PM

of course, its heading into sweeps.

#308. Posted by: welh at May 2, 2007 3:01 PM

I know im late, but I just thougth of something. Why dont the Other burry there dead? The funeral that Jack attended showed them sending the body off to Sea. Dont know if this is significant or not let me know what oyu think.

Great review thanks Mac.

#309. Posted by: Dakota at May 2, 2007 4:11 PM

You can always tell when it's getting on towards Tuesday/Wednesday...other than by looking at the calendar I mean.

People start to get a little snippy and start critiquing other people's posts instead of coming up with goofy-ass theories and questions...

Like the plane went thru some metaphysical phenonemon and transmogrified (thank you Bill Watterson) into the multiverse (thank you Terry Pratchett). One plane crashed in the middle of the ocean, and one crashed in Bensylvania.

And why don't they just build a big ol' bonfire, throw on some greenery for smoke, and keep it burning for a coupla days?

Maybe they're on another planet...they're just zoo specimens (thank you Rod Serling)...

I need a nap...

#310. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 2, 2007 4:15 PM

#258/Jenna-I always feel tickled when driving on highway 108 ;)

#311. Posted by: Lily at May 2, 2007 5:03 PM

Whoa! 312 comments.....WGNABB Were gonna need a bigger blog

#312. Posted by: kilorooster at May 2, 2007 9:05 PM

According to Juliette, Sun is 53 days pregnant. That means she became pregnant on day 37 but Jin stopped talking to her on day 33. Oversight on the writers part?

#313. Posted by: peb at May 3, 2007 12:01 AM

"Sun beams."

Haha brilliant Mac. Subtle too.

#314. Posted by: David at June 18, 2007 10:38 PM

3-18 - D.O.C.

Sun's baby is Jin's
Good news, except Sun will die.
And "They were all dead".

#315. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 24, 2008 2:02 PM