The Lost Blog

Key Points from "Through the Looking Glass"

Season 3, Episode 22
Episode Air Date: 05/23/07

Point 1
Jack

Ben

Kate

Rousseau

Alex

Rose

Sun
It's a good thing season four doesn't start until 2008; we'll need the extra time to process this time-shifting, jaw-dropping, series-changing episode. To quote Ned Ryerson: This was a doo-oooo-ooooozy.

So let's get to it!

The episode begins with a beach exodus. Jack rounds up the assorted castaways -- including all those background people who waste their days refilling the communal water trough and hunting for ripe mangos -- and the group heads out "Rawhide" style toward the island's radio tower.

The early portion of the journey is without incident, save for Kate's odd sartorial choice of a hooded sweatshirt. But as night falls and the group crests a far hill, they see that all is not well with the world.

You'll recall that our castaways had recently developed a "blow up the Others" plan that involved three snipers (Sayid, Jin and Bernard) exploding old sticks of dynamite as the Others entered the beach camp. From afar, the castaways can see that two tents explode (more on that later), but a third batch of dynamite fails to ignite. Rose and Sun immediately demand to return to camp to see what's what, but Jack nixes the idea. Drawing upon a reserve of positivity we've never seen before, Jack says that perhaps the Great God of Explosive Devices intervened and wiped out the Others with only one explosion.

Nice try, Jack.

Rose and Sun don't hold much sway over the group -- and besides, they've already trekked miles into the jungle -- so the castaways reform the herd and continue their journey.

This long trip gives the writers ample opportunity to insert lots of plot details and relationship tangents. For example:

  • In an expository scene, Naomi whips out her satellite phone and shows Jack how it works. You might want to take notes, 'cause it's pretty complicated. Naomi says the phone's red blinking light is bad (i.e. communication is still jammed, rescue isn't happening anytime soon), and a green light is good (the line is open, operators are standing by). Somehow, Jack manages to retain this copious amount of information.
  • Sawyer and Kate are on the rocks because Sawyer is still reeling from the unfathomable appearance of Anthony Cooper (and Cooper's subsequent demise). Sawyer hasn't told Kate about his extracurricular Black Rock activities. Instead, he's opted for the "bury it deep and mope" technique, which always works fantastically. Kate tries to coax information out of Sawyer, but he's not interested. And when Kate discusses pregnancy, Sawyer immediately excuses himself from the Father of the Year competition by growling: "Let's hope you're not." Yeah. Sunny days.
  • The outlook is much cheerier on the Jack-Juliet front. Mid-way through the journey, Juliet decides to accompany Sawyer back to the beach camps (more on that later), but before departing she plants a big ol' non-platonic kiss on Jack.
  • Of course, Jack is an idiot and doesn't realize that Juliet is, by far, his most viable romantic option on the island. Instead, he and Kate share a moment later in the episode that reignites the Jack-Kate tango. Jack tells Kate that Sawyer's gruff attitude is a defense mechanism -- he simply wants to protect her, much the way Jack wanted to protect her from the Others. Suddenly, Jack blurts "I love you."

    BLAM! Cupid's arrow zings into Kate's behind. Jack walks off, knowing full well he just rocked Kate's world.

With satellite phones deconstructed and romantic entanglements further entangled, the castaways continue their hike across the island.

And then Ben appears.

Our buggy-eyed psycho has inserted himself directly in the castaways' path. Alex has joined him because Ben is an evil little bastard who delights in torturing his "daughter." Or something like that. Basically, the writers needed Alex and Rousseau to meet up and this is how they do it (more on that in a minute).

Ben is unarmed, save for his exoskeleton and heightened sense of smell, but Jack's "Leader Alarm" immediately blares. Jack scrunches his face and stares at Ben real hard.

Ben tells Jack they need to talk and for some inexplicable reason, Jack agrees. The pair retire to a quiet spot away from the group and begin a classic tete a tete. We've been waiting a long time for this.

"Not so long ago Jack, I made a decision that took the lives over over 40 people in a single day," Ben says, referring to the Dharma purge. "I'm telling you this because history is about to repeat itself, right here, right now."

Jack isn't impressed. His botched surgeries have accounted for at least 2,000 deaths. "Forty? Hell, I killed 40 people last year!"

Ben continues, claiming that Naomi is not who she says she is. In his typical vague way, Ben says Naomi is part of a group that's been searching for the island for a long time. And if this group happens to stumble upon their tropical locale, "every single living person on this island will be killed." (Except for Locke, because he's got serious mojo. And Juliet, because she's smokin'.)

Again, Jack isn't swayed. He's played Ben's little game in the past. It's not much fun.

Ben turns to Plan B. He asks Jack to hand over the walkie talkie he lifted from Ben's belt moments earlier. And again, for some unbelievable reason, Jack does what he's told.

Ben flips the radio on and speaks to Tom, who's watching over captives at the castaways' beach camp (more on this in Key Point 4).

Ben instructs Tom to shoot the hostages if he doesn't hear back from him in exactly one minute. Ben turns to Jack and issues his ultimatum: Jack needs to bring Ben the satellite phone in 60 seconds, or Sayid, Jin and Bernard will die.

Jack paces like a caged bobcat. Decisions ... decisions.

Ben watches the second hand swing across the face of his wristwatch. 30 seconds ... 20 seconds ...

"'I'm getting them off the island," Jack growls. "All of them!"

10 seconds ...

Jack isn't moving.

3 ... 2 ... 1

Gunshots crackle through the radio. BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

Anguish runs through Jack. The boys are dead. Sayid ... Jin ... that dentist who disappears for months at a time ... all dead.

Jack looks at Ben.

Oh Ben. Ben Ben Ben. This isn't going to end well.

You see, Ben may be an evil genius, but his intelligence doesn't extend to physical comparisons. If it did, he'd realize that Jack is a big, strong, athletic guy with a violent streak. He'd then also realize that he, Ben, is a wimpy, gamey, spikey-haired toad with a gimpy back.

Jack charges Ben and slams him to the ground. IT'S GO TIME, BENNY!

WHACK! Fist to the face. WHACK WHACK WHACK! Blood spurts from Ben's nose. WHUMP! A massive hook knocks the consciousness out of Ben's bug head.

Moments later, Jack hauls Ben's wrecked body back toward the castaways. Ben is alive, but his face looks like a horror movie. Jack instructs Rousseau to tie Ben up because they're bringing him along. You see, Jack has a revenge fantasy: he and his fellow castaways will be rescued and Ben's last moment will be filled with the knowledge that he failed to keep them on the island. Or something. Jack's off his chump at this point.

And this is when we witness the long-percolating Rousseau-Alex reunion. Rousseau looks at Alex, who's kneeling in a blood puddle forming under Ben's ruptured face. Rousseau's simian stare makes Alex twitchy, but Ben spits a wad of blood and tells Alex that this woman -- this freaky island witch -- is her mother.

Rousseau approaches and delicately moves a strand of Alex's hair from her face.

"Help me tie him up," Rousseau purrs.

Ahhhh. Such a poignant moment. Standing amidst a lush island field with Hurley birds floating through the sky and a megalomaniac bleeding out, mother and daughter are reunited at last.

So they tie Ben up and continue their journey. Moments later, Naomi looks at the satellite phone and sees a green blinking light. The line is clear! But there's just one wee problem: Rousseau's 16-year-old distress transmission is still blocking outgoing signals. Fortunately, the island's radio station -- WBEN -- is just around the bend.

The group reaches the radio tower and Jack, Kate, Naomi, and Rousseau go inside. Ben is strapped to a tree. He bleeds in response.

Rousseau turns off the distress signal. Naomi fires up her phone. The thick walls of the tower block the signal, so she goes outside and wanders around, searching for contact. The phone clicks into range. Naomi dials.

Kate giddily anticipates rescue. Obviously, Kate isn't a Red Sox fan. You never anticipate. Ever. Especially when a re-inspired island shaman is about to appear ...

SWISH SWISH SWISH ... thunk!

Blood suddenly sputters from Naomi's mouth! She drops the phone and collapses. What the? ...

Jack spins and sees ... Locke! Locke just knifed Naomi! And he's holding a revolver! Why use a knife when you've got a gun? It makes no sense!

Jack moves toward the satellite phone. The phone is still trying to connect.

BLAM!

Locke fires a warning shot near the phone. Jack stands.

"I don't want to shoot you," Locke says, aiming his revolver at Jack's chest.

Jack moves forward. Locke pulls the hammer back. Jack bends and picks up the phone.

Locke hesitates. He doesn't have it in him. He slumps and pulls the gun down.

The satellite phone is connecting.

"Hello?"

Jack swings the phone to his ear. Contact! They've made contact!

"My name is Jack Shephard. I'm one of the survivors of Oceanic 815. Can you get a fix on our location?"

"Hell yes we can," a man on the other end confirms. "Sit tight, we'll be right there."

The castaways rejoice.

For now ...

Point 2
Jack And now we come to the rattlesnake in the mailbox.

I don't usually worry about folks who haven't seen the episode, but in this case, I highly suggest not reading the rest of this review if you haven't watched "Through the Looking Glass." This next segment is so monumental, even a hint of what's to come will spoil the viewing experience. Be warned: The biggest twist in series history lies ahead.

Here goes ...

Remember how the Jack flashbacks felt tired and played out? The most recent one, "Stranger in a Strange Land," chronicled the history of his tattoos. Excitement incarnate it was not.

But then the writers had an idea ...

This episode's Jack sequence changes everything. Everything. Here's what we learn:

  • As the off-island sequence picks up, Jack is in rough shape. He's sporting a bushy beard and deep circles are carved beneath his eyes. Early on, we see him sitting on an Oceanic flight (not 815), drinking an overpriced cocktail and harassing the stewardess for more booze. She cuts him off and offers a newspaper as entertainment. Something in the paper catches his eye. Concern washes over his face. He rips a small article from the paper, but we can't see the headline or text.
  • Shortly after the flight, Jack drives his dilapidated old Jeep through the streets of Los Angeles. He stops the Jeep on a bridge and weeps while re-reading the mysterious newspaper article. Given the small size of the ripped article, it appears to be an obituary.

    Jack's at his wit's end. He exits the Jeep and moves to the side of the bridge. He hauls himself up onto the ledge and gazes down at a desolate stretch of concrete. "Forgive me," he says, tilting his head back.

    SCREEEEEECH .... BOOM!

    Jack turns. An accident just ignited behind him. Victims call for help from the wreckage. Something to fix! Jack has something to fix! He jumps down from the ledge and runs in to save the day.

  • Hours after the accident, Jack is stitched up in a hospital emergency room (it's the same hospital where he works). His heroics led to minor injuries, but an unexpected visit from Sarah inflicts far more pain. The hospital called Sarah because she's still listed as Jack's emergency contact. Jack isn't particularly thrilled to see his ex-wife and Sarah isn't thrilled to see Jack, either. The two share an awkward moment that becomes even more awkward when Sarah turns to leave and her big, pregnant belly swings into view.
  • For much of the episode, Jack tries to call an unknown person, but his attempts are always thwarted by voicemail (and it's voicemail with a generic pick-up message, so we have no idea who he's trying to call). Remember this. It's going to be hugely important.
  • Jack's downward spiral continues through three events:

    First, he visits a funeral home to attend the service of the anonymous person noted in the obituary. The funeral director says no one showed up -- just Jack -- and so Jack spends a quiet moment with a closed casket, then leaves the home. We have no idea who died.

    Second, Jack's attempt at refilling a painkiller prescription is denied. He tries to pawn off a second prescription from his father -- Dead Dr. Daddy -- but the pharmacist isn't convinced. While in line, a fellow customer recognizes Jack as the hero from the car wreck (Jack's antics attracted media attention). Jack doesn't like the recognition, and he really doesn't like being cut off from his much-needed meds. Summoning the rage of Dr. House, he pounds the pharmacy counter and leaves in a huff.

    Finally, Jack steals painkillers from his own hospital. He gets away with the theft, but on the way out he runs into the new chief of medicine, Dr. Hamel. Hamel says a victim from the bridge car wreck is recovering, but when she regained consciousness, she revealed the cause of the accident: she was distracted by a man standing on the ledge of the bridge. Hamel challenges Jack: How was he able to get to the accident so quickly? More importantly, how much has Jack been drinking?

    "You do this," Jack snaps. "You get my father down here, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me."

    Dr. Hamel doesn't respond, presumably because Jack's dad is dead (or is he?).

  • And now we come to the big moment ...

    Jack hits rock bottom. In the final moments, we see him sitting in his dark apartment. World maps and Oceanic tickets are strewn about. He seems to be searching for something on the maps.

    He makes another phone call. This time, the unknown person answers. Jack arranges for a rendezvous at the airport.

    Jack is first to arrive at the airport. He's parked at the end of a runway. It's dark. In the distance, jets land and take off.

    A sedan approaches. The car is bathed in darkness. The door opens.

    Jack turns.

    Footsteps draw closer. Jack approaches the unseen visitor.

    Light slinks across the person ... we see an arm, a shoulder ...

    Oh. My. God.

    Kate steps into view. KATE?!

    And that's when it becomes apparent. This is it. This is the rattlesnake in the mailbox.

    This isn't a flashback. This is the future. THEY GOT OFF THE ISLAND.

    Kate approaches. She and Jack seem drawn but wary. There's a history here, but we don't know what it is.

    "Why did you call me Jack?" Kate asks.

    Jack pulls the newspaper clipping out. He thought she might have seen it. He thought she would go to the funeral.

    "Why would I go to the funeral?" Kate asks, anger flitting through her voice.

    Jack changes the subject. He tells Kate he's been using the "golden pass" Oceanic gave them to fly every Friday night. "I fly from L.A. to Tokyo or Singapore, Sydney. Then I get off, then I have a drink, then I fly home."

    Kate's confused. Why? Why would he waste his time?

    And this is when we learn the depth of Jack's despair.

    "Because I want it to crash, Kate," Jack says.

    A tear drops from Kate's eye. "This is not going to change," she says.

    Jack loses it. "I'm sick of lying," he shouts. "We made a mistake!"

    Kate backs away. "He's going to be wondering where I am," she says, referring to someone we probably know.

    Jack says they weren't supposed to leave.

    Kate's heard enough. She opens the door of her car.

    "We have to go back, Kate," Jack says.

    Kate shuts the door and reverses the car.

    A jet engine grows louder as a massive airliner prepares for takeoff.

    "We have to go back!" Jack screams.

    The plane arcs into the air. Kate drives off.

    And that's when it ends. Holy Moses on Dharma toast, that's when it ends!

Okay, let's process this.

First, I have to give the "Lost" crew credit for even attempting this massive shift. It's the ballsiest maneuver I've ever witnessed -- even ballsier than the one-year-jump "Battlestar Galactica" pulled off last year.

In one fell swoop the "Lost" producers have flipped the entire series on its head by changing the show's essential question. Prior to this episode, the guiding question was "Will they get off the island?" All the mysteries and extra questions were secondary to this core query. But not anymore. Now the question is "How did they get off the island?"

How.

It also brings up a slew of additional questions:

  • When did they get off the island?
  • Who else got off the island?
  • Why is Jack so hell-bent on returning to the island? What happened?
  • Who was in the casket?
  • Who is Kate with in the future?
  • Is the future set in stone? Can we trust what we see in this episode? Can current on-island actions change the future?
  • Is Jack's dad alive?

Unbelievable. Just un-friggin'-believable.

Point 3
Charlie

Desmond
It's amazing to think that a main character's death warrants Key Point 3, but that's what happens when a series reinvents itself.

But yes, someone dies. Someone important. And we already know how it happens.

The Charlie-Desmond storyline picks up where it left off in "Greatest Hits." Charlie has just been captured by two armed women who are monitoring the Looking Glass station. Their presence in the station is particularly unnerving because the station itself was thought to be flooded. It's not. Nor is it abandoned.

The women -- Bonnie (the blonde) and Greta (the brunette) -- tie Charlie to an office chair and beat the snot out of him. It's during this interrogation that we learn the following:

  • The women are with the Others, but their presence in the Looking Glass is supposed to be a secret. In fact, the Looking Glass itself is a secret. Ben has been lying to his comrades all along, telling them the Looking Glass is flooded and inoperable. But it works just fine, and Ben has instructed Bonnie and Greta to keep the Looking Glass' jamming mechanism in place indefinitely.
  • Charlie turns into a smartass/badass when he's got nothing to lose. He spends the majority of this episode torturing his interrogators with humming, singing and snide comments. He knows he's going to die, and his carefree attitude gives him enormous power.

Charlie's presence in the Looking Glass freaks Bonnie and Greta out, so they break Ben's mandate of radio silence and contact their buggy leader. Ben is shocked by the news of Charlie's arrival. He instructs Mikhail to go to the Looking Glass and clean up the mess.

So Mikhail loads up his scuba gear and goes to the shoreline. As he arrives, Desmond is regaining consciousness in the outrigger canoe bobbing above the underwater hatch (remember, Charlie knocked Des out with an oar). Des' adrenaline kicks in when he realizes that Mikhail is taking pot-shots at him from the shoreline. Des takes a deep breath and makes a desperate dive down to the Looking Glass. He struggles to reach the moon pool, then erupts from the surface gasping for air.

Fortunately for Des, he arrives while Bonnie and Greta are pow-wowing in the Looking Glass' sealed control room. Charlie warns Des to hide and he manages to scamper into an equipment closet before Bonnie and Greta reemerge.

Moments later, Mikhail pops up in the moon pool. He's surprised to see Bonnie and Greta because he was told they were on assignment in Canada. But the surprise quickly passes because Mikhail has specific instructions.

He hauls himself from the pool and checks in on the control room. Bonnie and Greta inform him that the jamming mechanism will stay in place indefinitely -- even if the Looking Glass is flooded -- so long as the deactivation code isn't entered. And since Bonnie, Greta and Ben are the only ones with the code, there's no real threat.

Satisfied, Mikhail follows through on his mission. He whips out a pistol and shoots Greta in the gut. She falls backwards into the moon pool, dead. Bonnie tries to run, but Mikhail shoots her square in the back. She sprawls on the deck and turns. Mikhail approaches for the kill shot.

"Hey!"

Desmond pops out of the equipment closet.

SWOOSH!

Des pulls the trigger on a spear gun. The metal tip pierces Mikhail's chest. He slumps to the deck and drops his pistol. Des grabs the weapon and takes aim at Bonnie, but Charlie stops him from pulling the trigger. Bonnie is the only one who knows the deactivation code.

As Bonnie's life fades away, Charlie convinces her to cough up the code. He says it's the one way she can make Ben very, very angry. She blurts out the multi-digit code, but Charlie can't write it down fast enough. Greta's strength is waning. Charlie pleads for her to repeat the code.

"Good Vibrations," Bonnie sputters. "Beach Boys. On the keypad. Numbers. They're notes. It was programmed by a musician."

Bonnie dies. Des and Charlie spring to action. Charlie rushes into the control room to enter the code (thank God for all those piano lessons). Desmond gathers up equipment for their escape.

Charlie finds the keypad. A yellow light blinks above the control panel, just as Desmond predicted in his future flash. But at this point, Charlie believes he can still make it -- after all, Desmond is in the Looking Glass, too, and that wasn't part of his prognostication ... right?

Charlie punches in the code and turns to leave, but as he does, a red button flashes. "Incoming Transmission."

Charlie hits the button. A monitor sparks to life. Through the static, Charlie can make out the form of ...

Penelope Widmore!

Ms. I Only Appear in Finales shows up on-screen. She and Charlie establish contact. Charlie tells her he's a survivor of Oceanic 815. He also mentions Desmond and Naomi's rescue boat.

But there's a problem.

Penny doesn't know Naomi. She doesn't know about a boat.

WHAT?!

Charlie spins to call to Desmond, but he's located at the other end of the Looking Glass. He doesn't hear Charlie.

Knock ... Knock ...

Charlie turns. His eyes grow wide.

Uh. Oh.

Mikhail is bobbing in the water outside the Looking Glass, treading near the control room's window. He's holding a grenade. He pulls the pin.

Desmond hears Penny's voice. He rushes toward the control room.

Charlie sees what's happening. The future flash is coming true.

Charlie slams the control room door in Desmond's face and seals it shut. Mikhail presses the grenade against the window and releases the trigger.

Charlie steps back. Desmond pounds on the door.

BOOOM!

The window ruptures. Sea water pours in. Charlie stands by the door. His face is placid. He's ready to accept his fate.

But then he remembers ... Naomi ... the boat ... it's a ruse! Water rushes around Charlie as he struggles to write a message on his hand.

Charlie dives and slaps his hand against the door's window. Desmond sees him. He reads the message.

"Not Penny's Boat. "

Charlie looks at Des for confirmation. Des puts his hand on the window.

Charlie smiles a little, then struggles against the watery onslaught. He floats back. Water rushes through his lungs. Air bubbles pop from Charlie's mouth. He slumps.

Godspeed, Charlie Pace.

Point 4
Sayid

Jin

Bernard

Vengeance is one of this episode's themes, and it certainly makes sense. For 90 days, the castaways have been at the mercy of the Others, Dharma, a smoke monster, random hatches and island hoo-ha. But in this episode, the castaways go on the offensive. They get their vengeance.

The seeds of vengeance were planted last week when Jack, Sayid, Juliet and Rousseau concocted an Other sneak attack. The attack occurs in the early moments of "Through the Looking Glass," but it doesn't play out as we expected.

As noted, Sayid, Jin and Bernard stay at the beach camp while Jack leads the castaways to the radio tower. As night falls, the three snipers take position in the woods. They watch as a platoon of Others creeps into their dark and quiet camp.

The Others approach the tents. Closer ... closer ...

Now.

Sayid fires. His shot nails a pile of dynamite and a massive fireball erupts. Barbecued Others shoot into the sky.

Unfortunately, the rest of the plan doesn't work out. Jin showcases some piss-poor aim and instead of taking out the remaining others with a dynamite shot, he's forced to shoot directly. The surviving Others return fire and Jin is forced to take cover.

The Others quickly gain the upper hand. Sayid, Jin and Bernard are captured. Sayid and Jin resist the Others' interrogation, but Bernard caves like a sinkhole. He tells Tom and his cronies that the castaways are headed for the radio tower -- and this explains how Ben was able to intercept them.

Later, Tom receives orders from Ben to execute the hostages and, based on Key Point 1, we're initially led to believe that all three are dead.

But that's not the case. Tom and Ryan Pryce (the chief Other henchman and platoon leader), didn't kill the men. The gunshots heard over Ben's radio were shots fired into the sand.

Sidenote: This scene confused me. Was the faux-shooting part of Ben's plan? Or, did Tom and/or Pryce turn on Ben?

Moving on ...

Late in the episode, Juliet and Sawyer arrive at the edge of the beach camp. Earlier, the pair had separated from the castaway exodus because Sawyer felt compelled to double-back. Juliet claimed to know of a weapons stash, so Jack let Juliet accompany Sawyer.

But there are no weapons. Juliet lied to get Jack off their backs, and this little revelation boosts Sawyer's respect for Jules.

So, the two sneak back to camp and see that Sayid, Jin and Bernard are being guarded by three men (Tom, Pryce and some random guy). Sawyer is ready to rush in, but Juliet notes that each of the guards is armed and, unfortunately, the dynamic Sawyer-Jules duo is a little weapon-deficient at the moment. As the pair discuss their options, a low hum sounds from the deep woods.

"You hear that?" Sawyer asks.

VROOOOOOM!

The blue Dharma van bursts from the treeline! It's Hurley!

Hurley stomps on the pedal and slings the van onto the beach. Pryce takes aim and pops shots at the hood, but the trusty van deflects the bullets. Hurley bears down.

WHAM! Hurley launches Pryce into the hereafter!

The two remaining Others take cover. Sawyer uses the van diversion to his advantage. He darts behind the van and spots a pistol in the sand. As he reaches for it, he sees an Other standing over Sayid. The Other hears something and is distracted.

And that's when Sayid pulls off the greatest move ever.

Sayid is bound and gagged, but as the Other turns away, he swipes his legs under the Other and drops him to the ground. Sayid wraps his legs around the Other's neck.

SNAP!

The Other's spine crunches. He goes limp.

Sawyer looks at Sayid. Sayid nods back. "I am a bad ... ass," Sayid says with his eyes.

Sawyer turns his attention down the beach. Juliet has a gun aimed at Tom.

Tom sees Sawyer approach. He puts up his hands in surrender. "Okay, I give up," Tom says.

BLAM!

Sawyer shoots him in the gut! Tom's face drops.

"That's for taking the kid off the raft," Sawyer sneers.

Tom croaks.

"Dude it was over," Hurley says. "He surrendered."

"I didn't believe him," Sawyer growls.

Sidenote: Sawyer is a cold-blooded killer, but he's also a man of his word. Way back in "The Hunting Party" he warned Tom about an impending showdown."You and me ain't done Zeke," he threatened.

I guess they're done now.

Sometime later, after Sawyer has lowered his weapon and finished shooting Others, Hurley grabs a discarded Other walkie-talkie and issues a warning/notice. "Attention, Others," he barks.

On the other side of the island, Jack hears the announcement through the walkie-talkie he took from Ben. He responds to Hurley and Hurley give him the good word: everyone is alive, including Sayid, Jin and Bernard. Jack's albatross of guilt untethers itself from his neck and flies away ("Hurley! Hurley!" it squawks). Nearby, Rose and Sun hear the news and embrace.

And that's that.

Point 5
Locke And now we come to Locke.

You'll recall that Locke has been bleeding in a Dharma ditch for the last day or so. During a brief scene in the middle of this episode, we see Locke in his darkest moment. He's got a massive hole in his chest. His legs don't work.

Nearby, he sees an ancient revolver tucked into a holster wrapped around a Dharma corpse. He grabs the gun, checks the chamber and slowly points it toward his head.

"Don't, John," a voice says from above.

Holy crap! It's Walt! (And he's 22 years old and has the voice of Barry White!)

"Put the gun down," Magic Walt booms.

Locke complies because, damn, that's Walt and he's a big man now.

"Now get up John," Walt says.

Locke whines about his legs. They don't work.

Walt has none of it. "Get out of the ditch, John."

"Why?" Locke sputters.

"Because, you have work to do," Man-Walt says.

Locke smiles.

Now, we don't see how he gets out of the ditch or how he miraculously recovers, but since Locke shows up at the end of the episode and has the strength to sling a knife into Naomi's back and point a gun at Jack, it would appear he's on the mend.

This Walt appearance opens the door to all sorts of questions:

  • Is it really Walt? Or, is Jacob/Smokey taking Walt's form?
  • Does Walt have a connection to Jacob?
  • If this is an apparition, where is Walt dialing in from? Did he and Michael successfully escape? Does he need to be within certain range of the island to "show" himself?
  • When did he stop talking backwards?
  • Why is a 15-year-old boy dressed like a pre-teen?
  • As for Locke, at the very end of the episode -- after Jack has made contact with Naomi's ship -- Locke tells Jack it "wasn't supposed to happen this way." How was it supposed to happen? What is "it" exactly? And where does Locke go now?
Point 6
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "If you say live together, die alone Jack, I'm going to punch you in the face." -- Rose to Jack.
  • Second Best Line: "What did you do for a living before you became Moses?" -- Naomi to Jack as he leads the castaways to the radio tower.
  • Third Best Line: "If I told you I would help you with your S.O.S sign, would you change your mind?" -- Rose to Bernard, discussing his enlistment in Sayid's Sniper Corps.
  • Fourth Best Line: "I came in my invisible submarine, don't you see it?" -- Charlie, explaining his sudden appearance in the Looking Glass.
  • So, who is (was) Naomi? What does she want with Desmond? Who does she work for? Is it some sort of anti-Dharma consortium? Or, is it a newer, sleeker, angrier Dharma?
  • Penny confirmed that Desmond is alive and on the island. So what does she do now? And, how do those arctic researchers factor into all this?
  • When Mikhail first pops up in the Looking Glass moon pool, he says Bonnie and Greta are supposed to be in Canada. How many outposts do the Others have? How do the Others recruit outsiders? Is there a standardized test? An essay? A feat of strength?
  • Speaking of Mikhail ... Ben describes him as a true believer in the island (whatever that means). Could Mikhail's unwavering belief be tied to his miraculous recovery from the Sonic Death Fence incident?
  • Ben mentions a "temple." Do the Others practice their own religion, or do they use this temple for boar sacrifices and holiday gatherings?
  • Nitpick 1: Kate = technophobe. She can't even set up the voice mail on her cell phone. Granted, this proves to be a useful storytelling device in Jack's future flash, but c'mon now.
  • Nitpick 2: I can accept one miraculous van start-up, but two? Did Hurley pray to the patron saint of ignition?
  • Finally, I'm interested to know if folks who read the spoilers beforehand were still surprised/impressed with the episode. Personally, I wish I hadn't known about the big reveal. I thought the episode was great and I enjoyed the ride, but I missed out on the WTF experience. How did others react?

That's all I've got! Thanks to all the folks who have continued to make the Lost Blog a haven for fun, intelligent and respectful discussion. It's been an absolute pleasure sharing this season with you guys. Myself and a few volunteers will continue to post news and rumors over the long months ahead, and everyone is always welcome to suggest discussion topics. Have a wonderful summer and I'll "see" you all soon!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"???" -- "Lost" returns for its fourth season in early 2008.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

first? great finale!

#1. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 24, 2007 12:55 PM

I don’t care if I am first. What a great ****in episode. Anyone think it could have been Ben in the coffin? Maybe Ben joins the Losties to fight of Naomi’s camp.

#2. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 24, 2007 12:55 PM

Hey! I'm first!

#3. Posted by: The Kid at May 24, 2007 12:56 PM

1st? 2nd? top five?

#4. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 12:57 PM

GRAA Mac

I loved this show. How many others got waisted last night. I have to say, sorry to see Tom go. That Mikail must be dead now. Did he have the grenade in his hand when it blew?

Amazing.

#5. Posted by: Glen at May 24, 2007 12:58 PM

Okay, I think the timeline is present day with island flashbacks. Here is what I noticed:
1) Jack mentioned that 20 minutes can be a long time to the flight attendant. Is that a ref to an altered space-time continuum?
B) Jack makes ref to his Dad, not sure what to make of it, some have already started to discuss. We did see Jack identify the body in season 1, and the producers have said that once a person is dead, they are dead. Except for Mikhail, he has more lives than a cat.
i) The song playing in Jack's SUV was the one Charlie was writing in the Looking Glass. Does this mean Charlie lives? I doubt it, but it is pretty cool. TTFN Peace out.

#6. Posted by: onelostdude at May 24, 2007 12:58 PM

GRAA Mac

I loved this show. How many others got waisted last night. I have to say, sorry to see Tom go. That Mikail must be dead now. Did he have the grenade in his hand when it blew?

Amazing.

#7. Posted by: Glen at May 24, 2007 1:01 PM

GREATEST TWO HOURS OF MY LIFE WOOO HOOO

#8. Posted by: matts at May 24, 2007 1:04 PM

Wow. I mean, wow. Just...wow....

A flash forward! I knew it was coming! Perfectly executed, although by the time Jack started whining in the hospital about what he had been through, it was pretty clear we were watching future Jack, a.k.a. Jim Morrisson circa 1971, even though there was that clever line about Jack's father; I knew something really strange is going on with that.

Awesome episode, though I was pissed that Charlie ended up dying. I always liked Charlie and was really rooting for him. Oh well...

So here's my question: who's in the casket? Locke? Michael? Ben? Any guesses?

#9. Posted by: Rob at May 24, 2007 1:04 PM

When Kate said to Jack, "He's going to wonder where I am" Who do you think she is talking about?
Maybe- Sawyer? Someone who got them off the island? Or my favorite guess, it's her baby?
I think she has a baby off the island.

Great episode. Now that we know they get off the island, it is going to lead to so much more. I'm hoping it is just Jack and Kate (they cut some deal) that got off and they decide to go back and get the rest off.

#10. Posted by: Jon is FOUND at May 24, 2007 1:05 PM

a) Why didn't Charlie just go out of the hatch and lock it behind him and escape with Desmond?

b) Why didn't Charlie put on his gear first before he typed in Good Vibrations?

c) Now that there is Mikhail chum in the water, perhaps the Dharma shark will show up, Charlie can grab a fin and swim away to safety.

d) Radio tower? Hell no, that was Snufflufugus Mountain! I was pretty sure Big Bird was in the background!

e) I thought it was flashfoward from the get-go, but then Jack says, "Call my dad, if I'm drunker than him..." which threw me off thinking maybe it was a flashback.

#11. Posted by: Connie at May 24, 2007 1:05 PM

For all the naysayers, I insist that this TV finale was better than ANYTHING I've seen in years. TV or Movies.

A masterpiece of "giving the fans what they want", and then haveing them realize, that maybe it wasn;t such a good idea.

As the old Chinese expression goes: "Be careful what you wish for, as you may receive it!"

#12. Posted by: Usually Lurkin at May 24, 2007 1:05 PM

Pretty wild stuff!!

Alas - no girl on girl action for Charlie. Instead - death!

Wonder who the funeral was for....

#13. Posted by: Shikotee at May 24, 2007 1:06 PM

@ onelostdude "The song playing in Jack's SUV was the one Charlie was writing in the Looking Glass." - Didn't catch that - will look for that when I review the second time.

#14. Posted by: NotinKansasNEMore at May 24, 2007 1:08 PM

Wasn't there two tents that exploded and one batch of dynamite that failed to ignite? There was two trails of smoke.

*** ED: Yes. The review has been changed to reflect this. ***

#15. Posted by: Pieces of Mikhail at May 24, 2007 1:08 PM

The funeral place was Hoffs/Drawlar - an anagram for "Flash Forward"

#16. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 1:08 PM

a) Why didn't Charlie just go out of the hatch and lock it behind him and escape with Desmond?

b) Why didn't Charlie put on his gear first before he typed in Good Vibrations?

c) Now that there is Mikhail chum in the water, perhaps the Dharma shark will show up, Charlie can grab a fin and swim away to safety.

d) Radio tower? Hell no, that was Snufflufugus Mountain! I was pretty sure Big Bird was in the background!

e) I thought it was flashfoward from the get-go, but then Jack says, "Call my dad, if I'm drunker than him..." which threw me off thinking maybe it was a flashback.

#17. Posted by: Connie at May 24, 2007 1:08 PM

Don't know if this will be important next season, but I think Ben was knocked out (courtesy of Rouseau) when Locke reappeared. So Ben doesn't know that Locke survived.

#18. Posted by: Buck41 at May 24, 2007 1:10 PM

A Question for everyone.

When did you first realize that jack was having forward flashes?

Whenhe pulled out a Krazr to make the phone call to Kate, I thought to myself, "Oops, Jack couldn't have one of those before the 815 crash".

It wasn't until Kate came into view that it dawned on me.

Is it also clear to everyone else that the true Villain is old man Widmore. I figure he wants the Island's powers for himself.

#19. Posted by: Usually Lurkin at May 24, 2007 1:12 PM

When Jack made a call before getting out of his car on the bridge (right after he lands after reading the newspaper), did he start off by saying 'Kate' or 'hey'? I thought he said Kate, so the "reveal" at the end wasn't that exciting for me.

#20. Posted by: Dave at May 24, 2007 1:14 PM

Sorry in advance for the lengthy post. I suspect there'll be a lot of 'em.

So bittersweet…like baker's chocolate…

Gotta wait til January for the next episode? If waiting six weeks between new eps hurt the show's ratings, what will eight months do?

Anywaist, my first thought was that that Patchy is one hard-to-kill sum-beech. Yeah yeah I know, that eyepatch shoulda bin my first clue. And getting shot my second. And surviving the SDF my third. I guess I'm just not too bright. He couldn't have gotten too far away before that grenade went off, so I wouldn't have a warm-and-fuzzy about how his eardrums are doing. Des shoulda made sure Mikhail was dead. As Henry Fonda said about Jimmy Stewart in Firecreek, "A man worth shooting is a man worth killing." Like to know where he got the dive gear though...

And those poor Looking Glass girls Betty and Veronica…they get basically one episode…bitch-slap a hobbit...no flashbacks...and they're toast? Man that's harsh. Even Paolikki got a flashback…

And why Charlie couldn't have closed the door from the other side? Or held his breath and then gone out the porthole once the water stopped rushing in? It seems to me swimming up woulda been a helluva lot easier than swimming down, weight belt or no, 70 feet or 70 meters.

How stupid is Jack to give the walkie to Ben? Yeah sure he beat the snot out of him, but too little too late. Wouldn't it have been easier for Ben just to tell Jack WTF is going on and why he shouldn't contact the boaties? Seems like it woulda saved him a righteous ass-whupping...

WALT! WALT'S BACK!! Methinks that kid's shaving already…and it's only been a coupla weeks island-time…that's gonna make for an interesting episode.

So Obi-Locke dint have the stones to off Daddy, but poor Naomi gets a knife in the back? Symbolism much? At least Locke doesn't hafta loiter in the pit with the dead Dharm-ites for eight months. That guy's like Claire (sans cheerleading outfit…now there's a visual for ya) from Heroes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I heard Smoky-type whispering just before Walt showed up.

Seeing those tents blow up, all I could think was, "Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?"

My fave part was Hurley in the VW Microbus running down the baddies. Only lacked Shamba La playing in the background. Born To Be Wild woulda been cool…and then Sawyer kicking back with a warm brew after popping a cap into Tom…it's Dharma Time!

And future-/back- (?) flash Jack's Golden ticket? What up widdat? Next stop - Wonkaville? Thank you, Oceanic…what do you give a guy who survived a plane crash? Why, an endless supply of plane tickets, what else? Seemed like a little more Scotch woulda been nice. I think all of that was to convince us that they really are alive, not in Purgatory, and on Earth. Kinda ruins any potential threats to Jack and Kate's lives though...

At first I thought that that chief of surgery dude might be a grown-up Walt, but then when they had to introduce themselves I ditched that theory right quick.

The funeral scene I just knew was going to be manipulative as hell. Who's in the box? Quite frankly I couldn't care less. By the time they get around to showing us who's in the box it'll have more to do with who's available for filming (contract-wise) and less to do with plot. Kinda like putting Han Solo into Carbonite…they didn't know if Harrison Ford would be available for SW VI:RotJ

With rescuers on the way, I for one cannot imagine how they're going to stretch this thing out for another three seasons.

Seems to me that the island is where good people who've gone wrong (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Claire, Des, Jin & Sun…pretty much everybody except for Hurley) get to go to get another chance at having a good life. Instead of Dharma-ville, maybe we should call it Karma-ville. (Where's Earl?) Like Ben said to Jack, "What do you want to go back to?"

#21. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 24, 2007 1:14 PM

14 hours later and I’m still in a daze. The episode was unreal and I still haven’t digested it. At times I felt like I was a ping pong ball getting slammed back and forth as events were unfolding in rapid succession. My first thought after the episode was over was “how the heck is Mac going to be able to capture all THAT”? Mac, I figured that recap would take about an extra 3 hours to complete.

And the Jack Back/Forward story. My god, how dark was that? From the first shot, you knew something was different, I don’t know how they did it…the music, the dark beard, Jack’s total absolute despondence in every one of those scenes……something just told you that these memories weren’t your usual Lost flashbacks. Things were different this time….are we potentially dealing with a Groundhog Day type scenario?

As far as determining whether or not those scenes were flashbacks or flashforwards, I’m just not sure. We had clues pointing us to both directions. I almost wonder if in fact they were/are like Desmond’s premonitions…only not in flashes, but in complete sequences.

And the funeral: Who was it? Did I hear the funeral director refer to the person as a “she” or a “her”? Bizarre! Juliet? Claire? Russeau? Cindy?  Or maybe a future character who we haven’t even met yet?

Then Sawyer…what’s going on with him? He’s clearly a different person now that he’s killed Locke’s dad. His anger is consuming him. “That was for taking the kid.” I loved that line too…was I the only one who was surprised he shot Tom? I’m not going to even get into the whole Locke business….I’m sure there’s plenty of you out there who have lots to say about him….and Jacob too.

Yes indeed, they set us up beautifully for next season. For all we know, they could do a dozen episodes of the show next year OFF the island.

Kudos to the writers, producers and actors. The episode was simply fantastic and everyone clearly brought their “A” games to this episode…in fact, I think last night’s show was better shot, written, acted and directed than probably most/all of the blockbuster movies that will be released this year.

Thanks Mac!

#22. Posted by: petew at May 24, 2007 1:14 PM

@ onelostdude The song playing in Jack's SUV was "Scentless Apprentice" by Nirvana. It is the second song on their 1993 album, In Utero. I gotta go back to my DVR and see if that was what Charlie was singing in t he looking glass.. He could've just been singing the words to songs he knew to draw attention from Desmond

#23. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 1:15 PM

Ok I just have a quick question/comment. Didn't two of the tents/piles of dynamite go off? Wasn't it just Jin that missed? I thought that both Sayid and Bernard hit their targets, meaning the Losties would have seen two explosions, not just one.

On a side note, at the beginning I thought 'Jack looks so much older!' I didn't read the spoilers, but I think the Lost special from last week really gave it away for me. When the creators said something like 'if they get off the island, the show's over... isn't it?' Seemed kinda tongue in cheek to me, and now that we know they get rescued, the next 3 seasons could all be off the island for all we know!

Great recap, great episode, great scott we have to wait a long time for the next season!

#24. Posted by: Laura at May 24, 2007 1:17 PM

yippie! great post! i'd been waiting all morning. thanks for writing such awesome, clarifying reviews.

#25. Posted by: nikki c at May 24, 2007 1:20 PM


If kate and jack (at least) made it back to safety then how the heck is kate living outsied a jail cell? She was a federal fugitive when the plane crashed and surely would have been taken back into cusotdy. Right?

#26. Posted by: GatorGal at May 24, 2007 1:21 PM

Mac... I gotta say I'm a little confused...

Why would you write that "Dr. Hamel doesn't respond, presumably because Jack's dad is dead (or is he?)." At this point in the show, we all assumed this was a flashback. And since Jack's dad died in Sydney, just before Jack boarded 815, why would anyone think that Jack's dad was dead in a scene that took place back in LA?

#27. Posted by: Buck41 at May 24, 2007 1:21 PM

To all the people who complined that the first 6 episodes sucked: HAHA! You missed one of the best shows ever!

#28. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 24, 2007 1:21 PM

I've been trying to decipher the screencaps of the article Jack ripped out of the paper. I replaced words that can't be seen with ??

LOS ANGELES

Man found d?? in
downtown loft

The body of J?? ??ntham of
New York was found shortly after 4
a.m. in the 160?? Block of Grand
Avenue.

Ted ??, a doorman? at The
Tower .... Complex heard loud
noises ... from ..ntham's loft
Concerned for ?? ?? safety, he
alerted the ?? ?? uncovered the
body hanging from a beam in the
??.

#29. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 1:26 PM

Great recap - I've been waiting for it to see what you thought. Other boards today are all buzzing about how the flash forward "Jumped the shark", ruined the show, etc. but I thought it was great! Opens the door to all kinds of new possibilities.

#30. Posted by: Steph at May 24, 2007 1:26 PM

one more thing, **SPOILER**
the woman in the car crash that jack saved, with the little boy- could that have been sawyer's lady friend (who later helped kate) and their son? might not work with the timeline, but it's my stab at a guess.

#31. Posted by: nikki c at May 24, 2007 1:26 PM

Holy Russian Cyclops Batman!

I have to say that this season finale left me thrilled yet melancholy. I'm not sure if it was the fact that the season's over or whether we have most certainly started the downhill portion of our journey (there are as many seasons behind us as in front of us) or just the realization for Jack that getting rescued is not all it's cracked up to be or maybe simply Charlie's selfless death. It was a good episdoe but I certainly don't have that high like after season 2.

Some points:

I was blown away (no pun intended) by the fact that they answered on the biggest questions: Will these people be rescued?

I had a pretty good idea the flashbacks were actually flash-forwards. I kept looking for excuses not to believe but alas none stuck. That being said, it was pretty obvious at the end of the show that the person meeting Jack would be Kate.

Walt's appearance was great. I'm not sure if he'll be around much more but it was nice for him to have a role.

Casket = Ben? Walt?

"We ain't done Zeke." Sawyer gets his revenge over Tom (who had really started to grow on me). Sadly we won't find out much more about him. So long Tom. We hardly knew ye.

Can anyone check to see if Patchy is actually dead? Come on people, learn!

And to close, here's to Charlie. He made a complete journey from the dark side back to light. His sacrifice was surprising yet poignant. It's sad to see you go brutha.

Mac, thanks for a great season. Hope you have a great summer...and fall...and winter!

#32. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 24, 2007 1:27 PM

Charlie was singing "You All Everybody" when Desmond was hiding, I'm not sure if that's what he was singing the whole time, but I'm pretty sure it was that and not the Nirvana song.

#33. Posted by: just me at May 24, 2007 1:27 PM

Timeline Question: First, the facts --

The newspaper in Jack's opening flash-forward scene on the plane is dated April 2007.

The Losties plane/flight 815 is supposed to have crashed in Sept. 04.

Approximately 90+ days are to have passed on the island since the crash of #815.

So...are we to believe that the flash-forward scenes from last night are happening 2+ years post-rescue?

#34. Posted by: GatorGal at May 24, 2007 1:27 PM

Anyone think the Walt who appeared to Locke is present-day, future-flash Walt?

#35. Posted by: James at May 24, 2007 1:28 PM

onelostdude: the song playing in Jack's SUV is "Scentless Apprentice" by Nirvana - a track off of In Utero.

It is not the song Charlie wrote on the beach.

#36. Posted by: tim at May 24, 2007 1:28 PM

Wow, mac, you did it! After that extended episode you must have had to stay up all night just to decide where to start. Great job, as expected.

Wrote this earlier today:

Got off the flight and reached home about 2:00 AM this morning and then stayed up for three hours to watch the last two weeks of LOST. Read mac’s review and everyone’s comments from last week . . . However, how we got from Charlie’s Top Five to “Boom goes the dynamite” to floppy boobs is beyond me . . . but AS ALWAYS, this blog is the most entertaining one in town!

All I can say at this point is “Holy Future-Flash, Batman!” When Matthew Fox said on Leno the first of last week that the finale would “alter everyone’s perception”, he was certainly on target!

Lots of HEROES last night.

I’m not sure why Charlie closed the flood door, unless only to ensure that nothing interfered with Desmond’s premonition and Claire would be saved . . . (Of course, eventually the entire inner deck would have been flooded, but surely there would have been enough time for both he and Des to escape.) At least he went out with the “ultimate sacrifice” for Love. Thank you, writers, for elevating his character beyond
ex-druggie-dorkie-rocker-fellow.

Dharma VW Bus = HURLEY BOMB! It just proves that the “fat kid” on the playground might not be so worthless afterall. Can’t judge a hero by his weight . . .

Sawyer and “lovable” Tom - A bit shocking, but “let the punishment fit the crime”. Lots of “pent-up revenge anger” there. And Tom WAS a bad guy, regardless of his winning grin.

Alex and Rousseau - “Hallmark Card” moment.
Penny and “Who’s Naomi?” - Whoops.
Charlie’s Hand - Heroic to the end!

Locke - Did Jacob appear in a vision AS Walt? Whatever it was, it obviously did the trick. Rubber legs healed . . . knife throwing technique enhanced . .

Final scene - For all his dastardly ways, perhaps we SHOULD HAVE LISTENED to Ben afterall. We are obviously going on a BRAND NEW JOURNEY next season!

Only thing I obviously missed - Who’s in the coffin? I frame-by-framed that opening scene, but there’s just no way, without HD, to read that newspaper obit.

Can’t wait to read the comments.

#37. Posted by: davidrh at May 24, 2007 1:28 PM

Anyone think the Walt who appeared to Locke is present-day, flash-forward Walt?

#38. Posted by: James at May 24, 2007 1:28 PM

I am a tortured soul. Not only was I not able to watch the 2 hour finale last night, but my wife tempts me by telling me she saw the last 5 minutes, and that it was ridiculously good. Now I am the kind of guy that forced himself to stop looking at spoiler sites so I wouldn't have my finale ruined, but now I hear other people in the office talking about the finale, along with multiple websites with opinions posted on their main pages. Everywhere I go is Lost. I feel like Charlie when he is on Heroin. And everywhere I go I have little Mary statues looking at me, already cracked, ready to ingest.

What's killing me most . . . I trust you people and your opinions, and I want to know if it was indeed the best show of the season, with the surprises that the producers promised. Mac, please shoot me an email and let me know if it lived up to your expectations. I didn't even read the first part of your review, as I was afraid to see something that would give an ounce of the show away.

I look forward to sharing my thoughts and speculations about the show tomorrow.

I'm wondering if we'll be able to top the 500 posts from a couple of episodes ago.

P.S. - The only bit of info that has been leaked to me is a bit about Jack's mustache that looks really fake. (My d*mn supervisor just had to watch me squirm.)

#39. Posted by: ANTP? at May 24, 2007 1:28 PM

I LOVED the episode last night; I actually clapped when Hurley came out of the jungle in the van! However, I was not at all surprised that it was a "flash forward"; even though he had no gray in the beard, Jack just looked older. And what was up with that awful fake beard? I couldn't decide if he looked more like a rabbi or Yukon Cornelius!
Best line:
Sawyer:"You having sex with Jack yet?"
Juliet:"No, are you?"
Next best line:
Sawyer:"Why did you have us breaking up all those rocks?"
Juliet:"We were building a landing strip...for the aliens."
It will be hard to wait until next year for more Lost, but I've had to wait out the Soprano's so I guess I can do this.
Thanks, Mac, for a fun review!

#40. Posted by: Kathy at May 24, 2007 1:29 PM

Mac, awesome review as always! The next eight months are going to be l-o-n-g...

This is probably a pretty small point, but I thought I'd bring it up. When we first see BJ (Bearded Jack) on the Oceanic flight, the flight attendant (whose expression is "I know you, buddy, & you're not getting any more sauce") gives Jack the newspaper. But instead of it being folded up neatly, it's folded to show an inner page. I don't fly often enough to know, but don't the flight attendants usually refold the newspapers between one reader & the next? Is the paper deliberately folded in such a way that Jack will see the obit that upset him so? In other words, is someone trying to push Jack over the edge? Later on I even wondered if the flight attendant was a grey-haired Isabel, but I'm sure that's really stretching it.

Also, I finally figured out what Bearded Jack reminded me of—my brother's GI Joe doll (sorry, action figure) from circa 1974. You know, the one w/the flocked beard & the facial scar...

#41. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at May 24, 2007 1:30 PM

I think Jack's dad is probably still dead. I think Jack was just making a sarcastic reference to the fact that his dad was an alcoholic and always drunk at work but he wasn't fired (until Jack turned him in), so Jack feels that he can be just as drunk and strung out and still be a good doctor.

#42. Posted by: Stacey at May 24, 2007 1:30 PM

GRAA mac--going to miss you this summer.

I had most of the same questions as Connie in 17, so I am not going to repost, but I thought Charlie's death was completely avoidable.

Once again, I am going to say--they are on Brigadoon. And for those of you unfamiliar with the script, this summer is a great time to catch up with Gene Kelly and Van Johnson.

I, too, couldn't figure out why Kate, the fugitive was not in prison (or why she would live in LA) or how Dr. Daddy was still alive and practicing at our favorite hospital. I think this whole flash forward was not a spoiler but a red herring.

Don't think Mikhail is dead just yet. And how is it that Penny Widmore had the Looking Glass number--unless it is Widmore property (*or* not really Penny Widmore).

If Naomi's boat was not sent by Pen, who did and how does she (Naomi) know so much about Des?

#43. Posted by: boharpe at May 24, 2007 1:32 PM

Great job Mac. All of your Walt-references in point 5 are instant classics. "Man-Walt" I actually stopped to compose myself during the reading of that section.

Fantastic episode. I still think the last episode in season one still has some special shock to it where this episode was close to that with the flash-forwards, but not the same. Still, great episode. I read up on spoilers, but did not know about the flash-forwards. I'm glad I didn't because I was surprised at the end.

I'm glad that Charlie died. They couldn't milk that storyline any longer. Desmond had the visions that he was going to die and Charlie believed that taking one for the team would save everyone.

Also, I'm guessing that Charlie's oar to Desmond's head may have corrected Desmond's visions so that he no longer has them. I just say that because when Desmond showed up in the station and Charlie asked if he had any new visions, Desmond paused as if he hadn't had any in a while.

Other random thoughts:

* I think that Naomi's team will show up but be unable to leave the island. It sounds funny but remember that Desmond was sailing for two weeks (I believe) but didn't manage to leave. I'll bet that Ben will need to provide the coordinates to leave (just like he gave to Michael).

* I think that Naomi's team is working for Dharma or Penny's Dad (which actually may turn out to be the same thing). I'm leaning toward Penny's Dad being involved since Naomi had the picture of Penny and Desmond.

* It's really weird that Penny was able to connect to the station once the interface/blocking was removed. He did she manage that? Is she someone aware of Dharma?

* Mikhail. How many lives does this guy have? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he survives the grenade.

* Ben appears to be the last of the extremist within the Others (unless Mikhail survives), so it will be interesting to see how the Others respond to him.

Lastly, I'm happy that we know that there is a fixed number of remaining episodes because I don't think that they would have introduced those "flash-forwards" otherwise. But, at the same time, it seems premature to do this since we know that there are 48 episodes left. I'm guessing that there is no way that they can actually leave the island until the mid/end of the last season.

We'll see... I'm sure that next season will introduce more about Jacob, more Dharma origin storys, and more island mysteries (we'll find out about this "temple" and maybe the four-toed statue).

Marty.

#44. Posted by: Marty at May 24, 2007 1:32 PM

Not only was the anonymous voice mail important - but so was the Razor (sp?)phone Jack was using to make the calls. I thought it was a prop failure and said, "Blew it - THAT phone wasn't out before 2004". Right thought - WRONG time period.

Thanks for another great season's reviews, Mac. Enjoy the break - from THIS show and I look forward to your return in January 2008.

#45. Posted by: NotinKansaNEMore at May 24, 2007 1:33 PM

GRAA mac--going to miss you this summer.

I had most of the same questions as Connie in 17, so I am not going to repost, but I thought Charlie's death was completely avoidable.

Once again, I am going to say--they are on Brigadoon. And for those of you unfamiliar with the script, this summer is a great time to catch up with Gene Kelly and Van Johnson.

I, too, couldn't figure out why Kate, the fugitive was not in prison (or why she would live in LA) or how Dr. Daddy was still alive and practicing at our favorite hospital. I think this whole flash forward was not a spoiler but a red herring.

Don't think Mikhail is dead just yet. And how is it that Penny Widmore had the Looking Glass number--unless it is Widmore property (*or* not really Penny Widmore).

If Naomi's boat was not sent by Pen, who did and how does she (Naomi) know so much about Des?

#46. Posted by: boharpe at May 24, 2007 1:34 PM

A couple of things: Jules told Sawyer that what they where working on was a runway???(by breaking the rocks when he and Kate where captured) The funeral...Ben,Jules or even Walt or Mikes??? It has to someone Jack was close to. He was really bumed out. Lastly could CANADA really have DHARMA people working there. WE ARE A PEACEFUL NATION !!!!!!

#47. Posted by: dantheman at May 24, 2007 1:35 PM

@mac, as one of those who read the spoilers, I too wish I hadn't. I was still surprised over a few things, all of whcih have been noted already, but I truly missed the WTF experience.

I wondered why Charlie gave up. Why didn't he put the SCUBA gear on since he knew the room would flood. Why didn't he try to get out of the little window? I feel very guilty for wishing he would die - I'm sorry Charlie!!

Last night's episode left me feeling bad. I hate to admit it, but I am disappointed they apparently get off the island. I felt like Ben should have been saying, "Jack, you don't want to do this! This means the end of the series and you'll regret that."

I am hoping Jack's experience was just a flash-forward, and that he will now do something to join forces with Locke.

I also believe Jack's dad is alive. Maybe he's part of it.

The coffin did look small. I have no ideas on that one.

I tossed and turned all night long last night. Wow!

#48. Posted by: mif aka meg at May 24, 2007 1:35 PM

I've seen speculation that the name of the deceased is Jeremy Bentham. This aligns nicely with the readable text in the article Jack ripped out.

Perhaps it is a character that gets introduced in an upcoming season.. Jeremy Bentham is the name of a philosopher, which is not unlike LOST to name a character after such a figure (Locke, Rousseau, Desmond David Hume, etc..)

One thing Jeremy Bentham was noted is the Panopticon : From Wiki -

The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience."

#49. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 1:38 PM

@46 - "If Naomi's boat was not sent by Pen, who did and how does she (Naomi) know so much about Des?" I'd say Penny's Dad - who hated Des is behind the Naomi storyline - provide the picture to identify him, etc.

#50. Posted by: NotInKansasNEMore at May 24, 2007 1:39 PM

Looking glass girl said the computer programmer was a musician who substituted numbers for notes when he wrote the de-activation code ("Good Vibrations"). Is there a musician out there that can try that in reverse with the recurring "magic" numbers to see if it translates into anything significant?

#51. Posted by: maries at May 24, 2007 1:39 PM

I have never been on a plane where I could get the paper from the town I was flying in to. Anyway, now Jack will be around to watch the Sox win the '07 series. Maybe he and his dad will even be there. Thank God Hurley turned the stereo down in the bus, and in the box, Eleanor Rigby.

#52. Posted by: lostsox at May 24, 2007 1:39 PM

@Connie, #11
a) Why didn't Charlie just go out of the hatch and lock it behind him and escape with Desmond?
@rj, #21
And why Charlie couldn't have closed the door from the other side? Or held his breath and then gone out the porthole once the water stopped rushing in?

I thought the same as you guys, my only explanation was that at that point maybe Charlie thought he had to die as Des predicted, so didn't try to escape.

@Usually Lurkin, #19--thought the same thing about Jack's phone, definitely not 2004 technology.

Regarding the "future" scenes, on the island, Jack's beard stubble is flecked with gray. In the 'future' his beard is solid brown....

#53. Posted by: ct at May 24, 2007 1:41 PM

Wow. Anyone who bailed on this show because it had "jumped the shark" missed out. Great writing and acting.
I did not see the flash forward coming - though I did notice that Jack's cell phone was the latest Razer - not available at or before the time of the crash. Sounds like Dr. Dad is alive.
Obituary options -- obvious ones are Ben or Locke; more likely Locke -- nobody in the real world even knows about Ben (or maybe that's why nobody went to the funeral.)
My guess, though -- Juliette -- Jack failed to hook up with her, that's why he drinks. Now she is dead and Jack has nothing to live for, and wants to die if he can't go back to the island. Kate wouldn't attend any of these funerals, though seems other people would go to Juliette's.
Charlie died very well. Did Desomnd see his message? It was not clear to me that he did . . . Looking forward to the rest of the story.

#54. Posted by: JT at May 24, 2007 1:45 PM

Well done, Mac.

Your last question, regarding spoilers...I avoid every spoiler, every network promo, even "Next Week on Lost" like they're the plague. Among all of my friends who watch the show, I'm the only one who makes every effort to go into every episode cold. (I even stop reading your posts before "Next Week...)

Anyway, I've found that I am consistently happier with the show than anyone else I know. Apparently, network promos often promise "secrets revealed" and those secrets turn out to be mundane...like the origin of Jack's tattoo. Going in cold eliminates nearly all disappointment.

It's a difficult move to change the channel immediately upon the end of an episode and skip "Next Week..." but I swear to each & every one of you that you'll be happier in the long run.

AVOID SPOILERS!

#55. Posted by: Jeff at May 24, 2007 1:46 PM

Another home run, Mac.

--Possible Spoilers--

This episode was awesome. I think the flash forward had to do with fate. If the Losties get off the island via the big ship lollipop 80 miles off shore, Jack's fate will be the one shown tonight. I do, however, think that Desmond will prevent them from leaving on Naomi's ship. I also believe that the ship belongs to Mr. Charles Widmore.

The show continues to blow my mind.

#56. Posted by: Liz at May 24, 2007 1:46 PM

Three thoughts:

1. Am I the only one who couldn't stop thinking of Ron Burgandy every time they showed future Jack? Especially after he stumbled out of the medicine cabinet and screamed at the other doctor, "You can't help me! I've got no heart, because a SHE DEVIL STOLE IT FROM ME!"

Suspicious Doctor: "The woman just woke up from a coma, she says she got distracted by a man on the bridge about to jump. So my question is, how did you get there so fast?"

Future Jack: "What did you say? I don't speak Spanish."

2. After seeing this episode I am thoroughly convinced that Hurley's character was inspired by R2D2.

Think about it. They both appear to be little more than squat, slow-moving characters created for comic relief. But there's always that moment in every Star Wars movie when everyone is facing certain death, and the only thing that stops it is R2 sticking his door decoder thing into some futuristic key hole.

Hurley coming out of NOWHERE with the bus served the EXACT same purpose. I mean, who saw that one coming?

3. I loved the scene where all the Beachies find out they are going to get rescued (probably) and they're playing some sappy music in the background, and then they cut to Ben's mangled, bleeding face. "And I think to myself...What a wonderful woooooorld" (Snarl, hisss, snarl). There couldn't have been a more hilarious juxtaposition of good/evil.

#57. Posted by: The Face at May 24, 2007 1:46 PM

I could swear there were 2 explosions. Sayid & Bernard both hit their targets.
Jin missed the target, but took down 2 others. Oh, Way to spill the beans Bernard. Give away any place other than the radio tower. Not to quick with the improv. I enjoyed the suicide/sacrafice theme. Jack on the Bridge, Sayid & Jin (kinda Bernard), Locke in the ditch, Sawyer & Juliet, Jack when Locke threatens to shoot and of course Charlie.
Overall hefty body count....i count 14.
Does that seem right?

#58. Posted by: jalex at May 24, 2007 1:46 PM

WOW!! My head hurts! What a crazy episode. Loved it & can't figure it out.

#59. Posted by: Dawn at May 24, 2007 1:46 PM

#50 - Apparently the philosopher Jeremy Bentham was very influenced by David Hume...

#60. Posted by: PenFoe at May 24, 2007 1:47 PM

I could swear there were 2 explosions. Sayid & Bernard both hit their targets.
Jin missed the target, but took down 2 others. Oh, Way to spill the beans Bernard. Give away any place other than the radio tower. Not to quick with the improv. I enjoyed the suicide/sacrafice theme. Jack on the Bridge, Sayid & Jin (kinda Bernard), Locke in the ditch, Sawyer & Juliet, Jack when Locke threatens to shoot and of course Charlie.
Overall hefty body count....i count 14.
Does that seem right?

#61. Posted by: jalex at May 24, 2007 1:48 PM

I thought, according to Des, that "this time" Charlie "had" to die in order to ensure that Claire and Aaron get off the island in the helicopter? Perhaps Charlie did not want to risk altering the future by donning the SCUBA gear and avoiding his death?

#62. Posted by: Vikki at May 24, 2007 1:48 PM

Two things:

I saw a pic of the obituary freeze-framed and it looked like the name was Jerry Cantham...

Who is this person, who we don't know yet, who's death affects Jack to the point where he wants to kill himself...

Also, with Charlie, Des says that if Charlie does die then Claire and Aaron get rescued... So I guess Charlie died for love... How sweet is that??? 'Cause Charlie and Des could have totally gotten out of there...

#63. Posted by: Kate&Jack=NOGOOD at May 24, 2007 1:49 PM

How come Ben always says he's doing something for "The Island". We know there are more then one island. Just a thought.

#64. Posted by: Tim Cox at May 24, 2007 1:49 PM

@mac

>Unfortunately, the rest of the plan doesn't work out. Jin showcases some piss-poor aim and instead of taking out the remaining others with a dynamite shot, he's forced to shoot directly. The surviving Others return fire and Jin is forced to take cover.

In defense of Jin, he had a pistol. Sayid had a rifle with telescopic sight, and Bernard had a shotgun. Pistol's a lot harder, especially in the dark. I'f I'd been arranging this every dynamite trap would have been in range of at least two shooters, if not all three. Redundancy.

#65. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 1:49 PM

Even more amazing than the fact that we now wonder how they got off the island is the fact that we now have to figure out why that will be a bad thing (at least for Jack). And we can't really hope for a happy ending any more. At least not unless the action catches up to Jack and maybe we get back to the island?

#66. Posted by: Andy at May 24, 2007 1:50 PM

Soooo.... You know how the pharmicist denied Jack his 'scrip? The guy in the back of the line said something along the lines of "Don't you know who this guy is? He's a hero." At the time, I thought it referenced the car crash, but getting recognized like that seems like it would require an unusual amount of local news air time. Did he get recognized for how the Losties got un-lost? Plus, and this one is pretty darn interesting, Jack said the RX came from his dad. The pharmacist picked up the phone to call over there. Since she seemed to know Jack by name and have the office number on speed dial, it leads me to think that Christian is still kickin' it.
What do ya'll think?


P.S. I heart Lost

#67. Posted by: Kaytied at May 24, 2007 1:50 PM

First time writer, long time reader....Could it be possible that this was a dream sequence for Jack, not a flash forward?
Great recap Mack!

#68. Posted by: fbdallas at May 24, 2007 1:50 PM

I actually thought Future Jack looked like a cast member from "300" - TONIGHT, WE DINE IN HELL!!!

Oh, and I don't remember the extent of Naomi's injuries falling out of the tree and all that, but they seemed pretty serious yet she was up an walking around camp not long after and one knife in the back takes her down? Weak.

No one remembers Snuffleufugus Mountain? :o)

#69. Posted by: Connie at May 24, 2007 1:56 PM

Hey Mac - BRILLIANT ! ! !

Loved the ep. I want to answer your question about folks that knew what was coming and whether or not they still enjoyed the ep. Hell Freakin' YES ! ! ! Even though I knew exactly what was going to happen, I still had to see it played out. The dialogue, the sets, the movement - everything lends to the delivery of what you experience happening on the screen. Reading a spoiler can't convey that power. Besides, you don't know if the spoilers are accurate until it starts to happen, so up until that moment it's still uncertain exactly what will happen.

I've got so many things spinning around in my head after last nights ep that I can't possibly fill it all in this post.

Hey Mac, now that we'll be going through 9 months of withdrawal waiting for new eps why not start a "theories" section. Folks can post what they think will happen and what they think is going on for the 4th season.

Great recap Mac - my Thursday are about to get alot lonelier :-(

#70. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 24, 2007 1:58 PM

Anyone else notice that the porthole was too small for Charlie to swim out of? When I watched the episode the second time, I looked for that speciffically and there was now way his shoulders would have fit out the porthole. Also if he had actually left that room and shut the door, Mikhal could have just swam back to the main opening and lobbed the grenade at them from there.

The Body in the casket was a man's the obiturary that Jack pulled out said "Man Found Dead" at the top of it. My guess is it was Ben, who else would have gone to his funeral, nobody that's who.

What group is Naomi really with? Anyone think that our Losties and the Others team up to fight Naomi's crew?

#71. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 24, 2007 2:00 PM

Great review, Mac! Was looking forward to it all day.

#72. Posted by: Walker at May 24, 2007 2:02 PM

@The Face, comment #57...

I have yet to stop laughing at that one. Love it!

#73. Posted by: Combat Chuck at May 24, 2007 2:04 PM

Two questions that I have been dying know:

1. What was up with the 4 toed statue?
2. Why was Libby in the psycho hospital with Hurley?

I know they are not main questions, but they still were WTF moments that I hope someday in some world they get answered

Great episode, but I'm very wary about where the show will be heading next season. My first guess is off the Island with Flashbacks to the island rescue. My second guess is still on the Island, with Flashforwards to off the island.

Also, the creepkeeper asked if Jack was family or friend and he said neither.....my guess is Ben is the corpse, he really was trying to save them in his own weird bug-eyed way

#74. Posted by: WTF at May 24, 2007 2:08 PM

The song Jack was listening to in the SUV was actually Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice." It has nothing to do with Charlie.

#75. Posted by: mike1135 at May 24, 2007 2:09 PM

OK - I want to revise/hedge my guess on the Obit - if it's a MALE whose name starts with a J -- it's JACOB. we dont' know him very well yet, but methinks Jack meets him between now and the very end. In Jack's future, if Jacob is dead, Jack is never going back, thus is suicidal.

#76. Posted by: JT at May 24, 2007 2:10 PM

The song Jack was listening to in the SUV was actually Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice." It has nothing to do with Charlie.

#77. Posted by: mike1135 at May 24, 2007 2:10 PM

Two questions that I have been dying know:

1. What was up with the 4 toed statue?
2. Why was Libby in the psycho hospital with Hurley?

I know they are not main questions, but they still were WTF moments that I hope someday in some world they get answered

Great episode, but I'm very wary about where the show will be heading next season. My first guess is off the Island with Flashbacks to the island rescue. My second guess is still on the Island, with Flashforwards to off the island.

Also, the creepkeeper asked if Jack was family or friend and he said neither.....my guess is Ben is the corpse, he really was trying to save them in his own weird bug-eyed way

#78. Posted by: WTF at May 24, 2007 2:10 PM

When I heard "temple" I immediately had the idea the island was Atlantis. Have we ever suggested this on the blog?

#79. Posted by: The Duf at May 24, 2007 2:13 PM

The 2 hour finale had to have had at least 45 minutes of commercials. The first half was pretty ho-hum although they were obviously setting us up for the final WTF moment.
Kudos to the writers for throwing this serious curve at us. That said, the whole Jack/Ben showdown was a farce. I guess asking him point blank why we should save the island and kicking the crap out of Ben until he comes clean was out of the question. I guess Ben and his recruits are trying to keep the island and its super healing properties a secret from big brother pharmaceutical giants Merck and Pfizer who want to convert it into $5 pills that we cannot afford and have to import from Canada! Ah, Charlie? you really didn't have to lock yourself up in the hatch you know? I don't know what's up with Patchy but he clearly has super hero powers. The dentist giving up all the information reminded me of the scene from Deliverance, "squeal like a pig, squeal like a pig". Next year Sahid has a flash forward where he is now in the US infantry deployed in Iraq. He gets to give the super leg neck massage to that lady with the cat!
If they think they can keep their audience waiting until 2008 they are crazy! I have long since stopped watching the show live and barely noticed the 11 week winter hiatus this year.

#80. Posted by: gables79 at May 24, 2007 2:14 PM

In Jack's flash forward, did anyone else think that the couple sitting behind Jack looked Jin and Sun?

#81. Posted by: fan o' lost at May 24, 2007 2:14 PM

In Jack's flash forward, did anyone else think that the couple sitting behind Jack looked like Jin and Sun?

#82. Posted by: fan o' lost at May 24, 2007 2:14 PM

@Mac:

Answering your question, I avoid spoilers religiously and so did not know that the flash was going to be forward, not back. Yet, very early on it was apparent something was different. What I said to Mrs. DC was that the flashbacks felt like a magician trying so hard to hide the ball, he forgot to do the trick. They weren't going anywhere, so they weren't tying in. When Jack had his 'you don't know what I've been through' line, the light came on regarding what they were hiding, and then practically every scene after that had some kind of confirmation about what the ultimate payoff was going to be.

I'm excited about the change in structure. There is now the definate possibility that the last 24 episodes can be constructed in a timeline pastiche, like Slaughterhouse Five or Pulp Fiction. I'm anticipating that we aren't going to get a straight narration of the rescue at the beginning of the next season. We'll see it from different perspectives, in bits and pieces. The nature and manner of rescue/escape is seemingly what has Jack in such a state. It will become the new central mystery for season 4, I expect.

#83. Posted by: Deep Cover at May 24, 2007 2:21 PM

Very pleased about last nights finale would be the understatement of the world! I'll be re-watching to fuel my fire.

One tidbit - Ben was writing/reading something and there was a picture on the table of a nice looking black woman. Who dat? Naomi's mom?

#84. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 24, 2007 2:23 PM

So, does anyone think that it is possible that the woman and child that Jack saved on the bridge in his flash forward could have been Juliet's sister and her child? From a timeline standpoint, the child might have been too old, but . . .

@41 -- I think the flight attendant that gave Jack the newspaper from which he tore out the obit was playing exactly the same roll as Isabel was with Desmond.

#85. Posted by: DJ at May 24, 2007 2:23 PM

Regarding Jin's "poor aim", I think that the sight on that gun had to be off. Jin has military training, so his aim should be good, but he missed both times he shot. I'm no gun expert, but I assume it would take more than two shots to figure out how to correct for a miscalibrated handgun. Both times Jin fired, he missed low and to the right.

Also, that pistol was the one that Karl donated to the cause, which came from Alex, which Ben used to shoot Locke. Considering the location of Locke's wound, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that Ben was aiming at Locke's heart, but the miscalibration caused the bullet to strike in a non-critical area (especially if that was the location where Locke's kidney would have been before it was removed)?

#86. Posted by: Ironfist at May 24, 2007 2:23 PM

@ Mac

The miracle was the van starting in the first place. Once it had been running for some time (remember Hurley was just driving it in circles originally) I see no reason why it wouldn't start up again.

It's just like my lawnmower after a New England winter. It never wants to start up that first time, but once it does, vroom vroom.

Other quick thoughts:

Finally having the chance to see Alex and Mom together for comparison, isn't it incredible how much they do look alike? Great casting.

Charlie dies because that way he knows Claire will be saved. Of course he could have reached the door, but then the future might not play the same...

It also looked like Mikhail was "pushed
back" by the force of the grenade. He was under water. He can get better. After all, how does it compare to sonic brain death or a spear in the chest? He is "in tune" with the island's healing, just like Locke is. Expect him again.

#87. Posted by: The Duf at May 24, 2007 2:24 PM

Great finale and recap Mac.. couple of things:
- Could man in coffin be Sawyer or Michael? The scene prior to funeral home, Kate made a comment to Jack that implied Sawyer wouldnt have done anything for Jack .. therefore when Jack answered "neither" to the parlorman's, "Friend or family?", it kinda hinted at Sawyer.. but then who would Kate be with in the end ?? They would all feel betrayed by Michael since he left them stranded on the dock and no word since...

How do we know that Jack's flash forward wasnt just Desmond having a premonition while he was knocked out ?


#88. Posted by: jack_is_hot_n_jasper_al at May 24, 2007 2:26 PM

my seven year old kept telling me that Jack looks old, but I kept resisting saying that its the beard which makes him look old.

the episode was eye popping. but have some questions

1. if stopping the Losties from making the phone call is the top priority then why did Ben travelled alone, unarmed? may be he thought Mikhail 'nine lives' will deal with already captured Charlie and the jamming will continue and also he is supremely confident of his 'talking' abilities!

2. If Charlie gets enough time to close the door from inside, he could have come outside and closed the door too! the only explanation is the door can be closed only from inside or Charlie wanted the future flash to play out and not interfere with the impending rescue!

3. How did Penny managed to call the looking glass? even if she is sending out messages in all kind of frequency, it got to be a recording rather than a live video chat!

4. Tom was pissed that Ben is loosing it. He said they should have actually shot the three captives instead of shooting into the sand. why would Ben be kind to the three captives when he has no remorse over killing 40 Dharma and lots of others!

5. And finally, the good guys! how come the others still remain good guys even after killing so many people and Sawyer is bad because he killed one? Others plot and kill people all the time, which should amount enormous amount of bad karma!

the shocked and trapped others immediately circumventing three hidden snipers is a little too much, but this is another fiction and impossibles hapen here. I didn't understand why Ben would order Mikhael to kill Bonnie & Greta? they knew Ben lied to the people about floding of the station. and if the station can continue to jam frequencies even if it flooded, why not flood it? why man the station with two people secretly? this is also my main problem with Lost. why should a user enter code and execute every 108 minute to de-magnetize when you can write a program/service which would do this automatically and more efficiently?

#89. Posted by: aj at May 24, 2007 2:27 PM

Awesome episode! And review! What am I going to do with myself until February 2008?

I'm so happy for Hurley. I was POd after that scene with Sawyer. Last week Charlie told him he was too big to go in the boat and this week Sawyer told him he would just slow them down. Kudos to Hurley for taking things into his own hands and proving to the Losties that his size doesn't decrease his worth. That bus scene was perfect!

IIFY? (Is it February yet?)

#90. Posted by: Shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 24, 2007 2:28 PM

I think people who are exploring the physics of pressurized underwater labs, measuring the diameters of portholes and other such things are missing the narrative beauty of Charlie's story.

Charlie's character has always been about trying to find his inner strength--to rise above the selfish and narcissistic and act for the greater good. The mechanism supplied for his doing so was learning of his future fate from Desmond. By the time he popped up in the Looking Glass, Charlie had come to believe so thoroughly in Desmond's power of prescience that his faith gave him the strength and courage necessary to sustain him through his ordeal. If he had not believed in his fate, he would very likely have failed in his mission.

Asking why he didn't seal the door from the other side misses the point. Charlie had finally learned that the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few, or the one. The placing of hand-over-hand through the glass as a gesture of farewell in obvious homage of another heroically self-sacrificing character in a similar circumstance could not have been coincidental. The visual quoting from Star Trek II was deliberate and meaningful.

#91. Posted by: Deep Cover at May 24, 2007 2:31 PM

When jack enters the funeral home the funeral director ask's Jack "Family or friend?" Jack answers "Neither"...

#92. Posted by: Dan at May 24, 2007 2:35 PM

My favorite line was Sawyer asking Juliet if she was doing Jack yet, and she replies, "No, are you?" I love that Sawyer gets to ask the questions the audience wishes it could ask.

#93. Posted by: Jen at May 24, 2007 2:35 PM

I had a HORRORFYING thought.

is their any chances that season 5 or 6 could be an 'off-island' season.

i.e. they could be rescued soon?!??!?!

PLEASE NO!

#94. Posted by: Richard TTT at May 24, 2007 2:36 PM

@aj - 7 year old watching Lost?? My 6 year old has nightmares from Wizard of Oz! :)

I was so happy for Hurley as well. It's almost as if the curse he suffered has finally been lifted. He has been made to feel so bad about his weight, but he overcame it all and made out like a hero in the end.

A little note about "Smokey". When I watched the eight o clock show, the producers said something suggesting Smokey was a "collective entity" that read the minds of the losties and produced what they yearned for. Perhaps Smokey is indeed the metaphorical box.

#95. Posted by: meg at May 24, 2007 2:36 PM

I am not even sure where to start. I havent read all the posts yet because I figure I have plenty of time. Acutally there might need to be a seperate dsicussion for each key point!

Anyway I loved the episode.

As for the TWIST and not knowing:
Had no idea - I stopped reading spoilers about it because I love the surprise of this show. I am so bad I thought when Kate first appeared that she was in Jack's back story! it wasn't until he said that they had to go back that I realized what it was. I even thought (when I saw Jack's cell phone) - that is a screw up the razor phone is too new for pre-2004!It never occured to me it was the future!

Few thoughts
1) Is it just Kate and Jack who are off the island?
2) I think the funeral was for Sawyer but could be talked into Ben or Locke.
3) The way that Jack said "you know where it is" to meeting him makes me think him and kate had something secret going on for a while and she had recently ended it.
4) I think Charlie didn't try to save himself in anyway b/c he had resigned himself to fate.
5) Next favorite line - when the girls are on the phone with Ben - "its charlie, tell him I said hi"

Anyway I am sure I will post more when I get a chance to read it all!

#96. Posted by: Melissa at May 24, 2007 2:36 PM

mac,

I did NOT read spoilers or watch previews, but it seemed pretty obvious from the beginning that Jack was having a future flash. I already had a sense of the timeline from before the island, and growing a long beard (with grey hair!), becoming an alcoholic/drug addict, etc., did not fit in the timeline.

For me it would have been a surprise if Jack did NOT meet up with Kate at the end. Seriously. Very disappointed.

I have to disagree with everyone who said this was a good episode. I thought it was okay. Maybe I'm just too hung up on getting answers at this point.

What's sad is that more and more, it doesn't look like Darlton will ever give us big reveals. I think they'll introduce many, many, many more questions and then just gloss over the answers as if it doesn't matter.

There are many examples of this; one that comes to mind is Ben's plan to convince Jack to remove his tumor. Paulo overhears Ben explain to Juliet that he'll get caught ON PURPOSE so that Michael can free him and get sympathy enough for Jack to help him go after Walt, so that the Others can then capture Jack, and then "break" Jack so that he would convert to an Other, then finally Jack would agree to remove Ben's tumor. Ridiculous.

How about the Numbers? 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, those numbers? The numbers that win money? The numbers that show up everywhere? The numbers that drove a man insane? And the answer is... the.... Val..en..tino?..xeno? ziti? Well, who cares anyway, right?

So, yeah. LOST is wearing thin with me. I really just want answers, but the grim reality is that the writers don't have any answers. They are great with questions and mystery, but they're just not insightful enough to give us any decent answers. It's all so sad. Sad but true.

But, hey, mac, at least your recap is entertaining. Usually more entertaining than the episode, but that's just how things go sometimes. Thanks anyway, mac.

#97. Posted by: Dan at May 24, 2007 2:37 PM

Mac, I've been reading your blog for all of season 3 and I have to say that you are a GREAT writer. I always have to laugh out loud when I read your reviews. Excellent job.

By the way, this was the BESTEST episode EVERRRRRRR.

#98. Posted by: Red56 at May 24, 2007 2:40 PM

I have some mixed feelings on the flash forward. While I loved that it was a flash into the future vs. another backstory, I'm pretty bummed that Jack's life seems to go downhill. How much of this future is set in stone? Can the future be changed? I really hope so. Otherwise, why spend 3 more years watching if we know they (At least Kate and Jack) get off the island and Jack turns into a zero? I'm leaning towards the idea that the flash forward is a possibility of what the future could hold instead of a definite this is what happens.

Along with many of the previous posts, I'm also wondering why Kate isn't in jail...

#99. Posted by: shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 24, 2007 2:40 PM

My thoughts on new mysteries:

I was the first to post in these demense that the partial view of the name on the obit appeared to suggest "Jeremy Bentham" was the stiff in the box. There's a whole new timeline (complete with new characters) to be explored between rescue and the time of Jack's flashforward.

Kate's new man is Christian Sheppard. This will complete Jack's Oedipal complex. No, I've got no theory about why Jack's dad might not be dead after all, but this is "Lost". Dead people don't seem to stay dead.

Jack is tortured because he had to make some BIG decision at the point of rescue/escape which caused losties to be left behind.

Kate is not in jail because she assumed the identity of a dead lostie when rescued, then went back underground before she could be discovered. Her anonymous voicemail box and preference for clandestine meetings is the big clue here.

#100. Posted by: Deep Cover at May 24, 2007 2:42 PM

I'm really hung up on the Walt thing. It seems obvious that it's really smokey in disguise (d/t whispering right before his appearance, where would he get bigger clothes that fit him.. )

I've noticed that Smokey only manifests himself as DEAD people from off-island (Yemi, Daddy Shepard, Mommy Linus . ...) Does this mean that M/W ate it on the boat? This caused much consternation with the hubby.

Juliet is a bad-ass. She lies like a rug and people still buy what she says.

Still want Ethan back. {sigh}

#101. Posted by: EthansGrrl at May 24, 2007 2:47 PM

1. Who else from the show Las Vegas is going to appear on the show? Maybe Ed Deline is on the ship that Jack called.

2. Any chance this is a "desmonition" like in the movies Final Destination, where you see exactly how things happen before someone does something to change it?

Just some random thoughts...

#102. Posted by: Three men and a baby...I counted Hugo twice... at May 24, 2007 2:50 PM

first to post. yea!

#103. Posted by: One Eyed Willy at May 24, 2007 2:51 PM

3 comments

Looks like Jin has bad aim both with Sun and explosives

I may be mistaken, but I am almost positive that we saw the funeral director before, when Ben first comes to the island he is standing right behind young Ben.

Also, I am pretty sure I heard Tom tell the other "other" that they would have killed Jin, Sayid, and Bernard and not put a couple bullets in the sand. Does this mean that Ben is a little soft on the losties?

#104. Posted by: John B at May 24, 2007 2:52 PM

@89 aj - RE: Tom. I interpreted Tom's statement differently. I thought he said something to the effect of 'if we'd have followed Ben's orders we would have killed three men instead of putting three holes in the sand.'

I think Tom was doubting Ben's leadership skills. Somehow he convinced Pryce and other other to not kill the hostages. I'm not sure how he did that in one minute after the 3 hostages had killed 7 of their friends.

I think Ben would have had no hesitation in having the 3 hostages killed. I can't remember if Ben looked surprised when Hurley called and said they were all alive.

#105. Posted by: GFish at May 24, 2007 2:54 PM

The flash back/forward was the ****. Jack had talked about his dad and then his ex-wife came in all preggers I really figured they were in the past. But as far as we know Jack didnt know Kate before the crash unless he just dosent remember her from his drug induced stupor. Jack (fox)is really a very good actor. I bet Kate was talking about Sawyer. I think under that mean hard exterior there is a real man who is just afraid to let himself go. I saw it in the cages. How could Ben even know that Naomi is a bad guy. Hasen't he been camping for about a week or more. I know they know everything but their contact with the outside world was supposed to be broken when Locke blew up eye-patch guy's place wasn't it? That was strange when Walt showed up. He was the last person I expected to see. Charlie really did die, unless of course he gets resurected by the island. If it was me I sure would have swam out thru the porthole. I really hated Sawyer for talking to Hurley like that. And hurray for Hurley for saving everyone. But I wasn't really too surprised to see Jin, Syaid and Bernard alive. No, dont know why. One of the best episodes this year.

#106. Posted by: gay at May 24, 2007 2:54 PM

I'm actually a little disappointed that Hurley killed Pryce. I was hoping Hurley would prove to be a distraction but wouldn't do any actual killing. Obviously, he was pushed into this by the comments made to him (first by Charlie, then by Sawyer) but it still leaves me with a bad feeling.

#107. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 24, 2007 3:02 PM

@meg

my 7 year old has been watching it for some time now. when some unusual scene is about to come, she would know it and close her eyes! surprisingly the only thing which disturbs her is the Lost title music!

some more thoughts on the episode:
Ben teasingly asks Jack why does he want to get out of the island so badly? what is in store for him outside! it turned out be pretty dark for Jack on the outside, inheriting his Daddy's alcaholism and suicidal! what a grim picture!

I think the next three season will be about Jack finding his way back to the island! I am not sure if that is going to be interesting enough!

#108. Posted by: @aj at May 24, 2007 3:03 PM

@meg

my 7 year old has been watching it for some time now. when some unusual scene is about to come, she would know it and close her eyes! surprisingly the only thing which disturbs her is the Lost title music!

some more thoughts on the episode:
Ben teasingly asks Jack why does he want to get out of the island so badly? what is in store for him outside! it turned out be pretty dark for Jack on the outside, inheriting his Daddy's alcaholism and suicidal! what a grim picture!

I think the next three season will be about Jack finding his way back to the island! I am not sure if that is going to be interesting enough!

#109. Posted by: aj at May 24, 2007 3:04 PM

Yeah! I accounted for 3 of the numbers so far : 4, 16 and 23.. Can this be 108?

#110. Posted by: vacc at May 24, 2007 3:04 PM

How about this as a possible explanation?

There are multiple realities that are able to converge on the island. Desmond,Naimi, Penny, and Penny's father are from one reality. In their reality, nobody survives the plane crash. In a different reality, the plane does crash.

When they leave the island, Jack and others go to Naimi's reality where they don't belong. The Jack from that reality is dead from the plane crash, so there are not two Jacks running around. Jack doesn't fit there and is having major issues, so he wants to return to the island and get back to his reality

This may help explain what they will do for 3 more seasons.

If this makes sense to anyone, see if you can fit Ben and the other others into a reality. Are they from a 3rd reality and travel back and forth to Jack's reality and Desmond's reality?

#111. Posted by: Mark at May 24, 2007 3:05 PM

@vacc/29:

Great transcription of the obit -- that's pretty much what I made it out to be as well.

@Mac & @Kaytied/67:

I noticed as well, that the man in the drug store called Jack a hero, but never actually referred to the car crash. The new doctor (played by James Lesure) also referred to Jack as "a hero, twice over" when he was talking to Jack at the hospital, and so I think here he was also referring to the rescue of 815, not just the car crash.

Of course, because of some ***HOLE who managed to post a spoiler on the review from "Greatest Hits" I already knew Jack's flashes were future flashes, and that Walt was going to appear to Locke. That F***ER had me pissed off after I read that post, because I was trying to avoid any spoilers, and Mac did such a great job of keeping them out, but that one got by, and I happened to read it. Kindof ruined the WTF for me, but it was still a great episode.

And I am with Meg -- I too feel really bad for having wanted Charlie to die. Throughout the series up til now, I felt he was just a whiney baby who didn't serve any purpose. I was completely proven wrong last night, and I am actually saddened that he will no longer be around. He died bravely, and managed to get that last message to Desmond. Unfortunately, I don't know how useful that info will be at this point, because Jack already made contact with the ship and SOMEONE IS COMING! I too think that Penny's father is probably behind it in some way, thus explaining Naomi's possession of the picture of Desmond with Penny. And wasn't he on the board of directors (or somethinglike that) on the Hanso sites from last year's Lost Experience stuff? We know for a fact his company manufactures pregnancy tests. I'm glad that Desmond is turning out to be a MAJOR player in the events that are surrounding this island. I think he is such a great character -- I guess trying to get one's honor back will do that.

Last thought -- when Ben was asking Jack why he wanted to leave the island so bad, and pointed out that back in that world, Jack had NOTHING, it occurred to me -- this is pretty much true for almost everyone that crashed on 815. None of them really has a REASON to go back to their old lives, but they are trying as hard as hell to do it anyway. I think this is a big part of what will be revealed in the character's back- (or future-) stories as the show progresses.

#112. Posted by: Stocky at May 24, 2007 3:06 PM

Hey Mac, great review. Wish I was as high on the episode as everyone else seems to be!

To answer your last question first, I had stayed away from spoiler sites, but someone had posted on here that Jack's story would be a "front story" not a "back story" a week or two ago (with no spoiler warning!!!), so I spent the first half of the episode wondering if it was front or back (hey, people on here have been wrong before!).

I loved the stuff in the Looking Glass, the beach side rescue by Hurley and most of what happened on the Island. I think it's clear that Walt can't come back as a regular unless it's in the "future", the kid's just grown too much in the last three years! The thing I didn't like about the episode is that it lacked hope. One of the draws for me to the series has been the hope of rescue, the hope of redemption, the possibilities that even if things were crap, even if YOU were crap before the crash, things can change.

The front story was just too bleak for me. I'd be okay if it were the final episode, ending on a bitter note, but now we have three more seasons to watch how Jack flushes his life down the drain? No thanks! That's like watching Nic Cage in Leaving Las Vegas. A terrific acting performance, but not something I want to spend 2.5 hours of my life watching. I'm sure I'll be tuning in 4 years from now when the hiatus finally ends, but I am suddenly no longer holding my breath for the show's return. Maybe the producers will do something to redeem the downer in next season's opener.

Off to work...

#113. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 24, 2007 3:09 PM

@47 dantheman said:

>...Jules told Sawyer that what they where working on was a runway???

It was joke, son.

>Lastly could CANADA really have DHARMA people working there. WE ARE A PEACEFUL NATION !!!!!!

Don't try to give us that. Jim Carrey. William Shatner. Ann Murray. That's three acts of aggression by you wiley Canucks, right there.

We'll forgive you Alex Trebeck.

#114. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 3:11 PM

Okay, to clarify:
Charlie was writing a new song, (I know he was singing a Driveshaft song earlier) while he was being interrogated by the Looking Glass Girls. He was very annoying about it. I was told by another Lost fan that it was the same song playing in Jack's SUV. Several have said the song was by Nirvana, so my bad. I wish that was true, it would be a cool twist. Looking forward to 2008 when BSG and Lost returns.

#115. Posted by: onelostdude at May 24, 2007 3:12 PM

Great as always Mac, see ya in Jan.

Everyone has been hitting on my questions, so I won't be redundant.

One thing I do want to know. i live near Topeka, KS., and I remember some bar near Kansas City used to air the Sorpranos and people would come together to watch it. Well I don't know if I would want to do that, but people getting together on Thursday mornings to recap Lost over a cup of coffee would be way cool. Just a thought.

#116. Posted by: Gerard at May 24, 2007 3:15 PM

So much to compute and say about this episode and the following Mac review. More on that later.

One thing you left out of the recap that I think is vital is that at the funeral parlor it is revealed that the recently deceased is female (Juliet, Penny?) and when the director asks, "Are you family or friend" Jack responds, "neither"

I personally held back on spoilers (Thank God!) and was blown away by the twist, had to watch all two hours all over again.

Also, is it just me or did the 'Good Vibrations' code on the keypad thing kind of remind you of the movie 'Goonies' when they have to play the notes on the bone organ?

#117. Posted by: callaway76 at May 24, 2007 3:15 PM

Another thing that bothers me: Penny

How/why was she able to contact the station? It seemed from the Desmond flashback at the monastery that his 'chance' meeting with Penny was a set-up. I think that his 3 years with Pen may have happened solely to get him motivated to do what he was destined to do.

Long shot but I'm not sure she's completely good. I doubt she and Bonnie were just going to chat about their Jimmy Choos. Why else have contact with the Others????

#118. Posted by: EthansGrrl at May 24, 2007 3:16 PM

What a way to end. (Both the season and Charlie.) I also wondered why Charlie couldn't swim back through the porthole once the water pressure had stabilized. I figured he stayed inside the control room to save Des because the door only locks from the inside.
For me, the worst part of the episode was seeing Mikhail without his patch on. Cover it up, dude! Cover it up!!
Are the writers sure they won't start again until February? Perhaps we can petition to do a quick fall season??
GRAAM! I couldn't even begin to break down this episode so muchos kudos to you, amigo!

IIFY? (Is It February Yet?)
258 days to go!!!

#119. Posted by: Trinity at May 24, 2007 3:18 PM

So Locke can't kill the man who stole his kidney and pushed him out a window, can't kill Jack to prevent the emergency phone call from being made, but Locke can throw a knife into the back of a woman (a black woman to boot!)?

What the charles dickens Locke?

On a further note, I wish the losties would take turns beating the tar outta Ben while he is tied up the tree and throw him in the Dharma mass grave.

#120. Posted by: Jim at May 24, 2007 3:26 PM

@117 - Actually, it reminded me of the Towelie episode of South Park where the door code was the theme to "Funky Town"

#121. Posted by: Ironfist at May 24, 2007 3:31 PM

This may be petty but it bothers me...

In the first scene when they are all walking DOWN the beach, the water is to their right.

The next scene they are walking UP the beach with the water to their left.

???

#122. Posted by: Paige at May 24, 2007 3:34 PM

I firmly believe that the whole Jack/Kate flashforward thing is nothing more than a Desmond vision, a.k.a. Desmondnition. Also, Desmond will escape the LG, find the Losties, explain his vision to Jack, which will in turn cause Jack to change his mind about leaving.

#123. Posted by: Len at May 24, 2007 3:36 PM

Can we get a close up on the map in Jack's place? It may show the island.
Awesome episode...best ever! Too long of a wait, but I will start watching the show from Episode 1 to see what if anything I can catch from the first moments they are on the island.

#124. Posted by: Julie at May 24, 2007 3:38 PM

Fantastic job of hitting all of the key points of last night’s massive finale. You rock Mac!

Why didn’t Alex acknowledge Karl at all when she and Ben found the Lostie’s? I believe he was with them, but they never even looked at each other that I remember. And why on Earth didn’t Ben ask where Juliet was??? Also, why didn’t Alex demand answers from Ben about how she got separated from Danielle? Why didn’t she immediately kick Ben in the nuts for lying to her all these years about her mother being dead? That whole ‘reunion’ seemed rather anti-climactic to me, though I realize the show didn’t have much time to focus on that little meeting.

I'm still really confused by Jack's reference to the other doc to go get his daddy to see who was more drunk. Since I still really believe Dr. Daddy is dead I don't understand that statement. Hopefully it'll be explained in the future. Or the past?

I think the whole Hurley van scene was WAY over the top, but I really loved it anyway. Very satisfying to see Hurley make a big difference after being crapped on by Charlie and Sawyer. I was sorry to see Tom get wasted by Sawyer. He was a good character. But before he shot him, Sawyer should've actually SAID to Tom, "I told you we 'ain't done yet." Oh well.

I had a tough time with the whole Mikhail grenade thing. How he could survive that wound to the chest and be strong enough to swim around to the window where Charlie was really just doesn’t seem plausible to me. I wasn’t happy with the way that played out. And if Patchy is still alive he'll certainly be minus an arm now!

As others have mentioned, why did Locke have no problem killing Naomi, but then couldn’t shoot Jack? I think Walt may have been Smokey in disguise. Afterall, Smokey has been referred to as the island’s defense mechanism, so Smokey was trying to get John up and moving to try to prevent the communication with the ship and the island’s discovery.

It was pretty heart wrenching when I thought Bernard, Jin, and Sayid got toasted. It made me realize I’m way too invested in this show and these characters! But then that moment was pretty much ruined when I realized they hadn’t shown the scene of the 3 of them lined up and gagged on their knees on the beach, so I knew they weren’t really dead. Darn previews!

I went back and read the spoilers that were referred to recently (the ones I made sure I avoided before the show aired). It’s crazy how right on they were, and I’m SO glad I didn’t read them first and ruin the finale for myself. I’m going to avoid that site and other spoilers like the plague in the future. Why bother watching the show when it’s already been so completely laid out for you in a spoiler? I know it's cool to see how they arrive where you know they're going, but not half as cool as not knowing at all!

The Others are pretty decimated now. We don’t know what happened to Ben (did he leave the island too?) and more than a baker's dozen of them were killed in the finale. Only Alpert remains as the key Other we know of. I just don’t see where the show can go from here based on this episode and what they showed of Jack in the future. How can they drag this out for 3 more seasons if they’ve been rescued already? Will the rest of the story be about certain Lostie’s like Jack going back to the island because ‘they never should have left’? I just don’t see how they can pick up where this episode left off! Jack's 'future' must not be set in stone and can potentially be changed...?

Looks to me like Obi-Locke has completely gone over to the dark-side and will take over for Ben as the Other’s leader on the island. Jacob’s new 2nd in command.

#125. Posted by: JoePike at May 24, 2007 3:40 PM

@125
The reason Alex didn't go off on Ben or talk to Karl is because the episode was so jam-packed it would have taken the focus off of the other scenes. I am sure they will delve into that next season.

I think the next few seasons will deal with a lot of the same issues they have previously dealt with. I don't think they will get off the island next season

Anyone else tired Mikhail and his countless lives? I just want that f***er to die once and for all

#126. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 24, 2007 3:46 PM

@89 aj said:

>1. if stopping the Losties from making the phone call is the top priority then why did Ben travelled alone, unarmed?

Maybe the Ryan-squad was the whole of their military force?

>2. If Charlie gets enough time to close the door from inside, he could have come outside and closed the door too!

Given that it's Charlie, after all, he may just not have thought of it.

>3. How did Penny manage to call the looking glass? even if she is sending out messages in all kind of frequency, it got to be a recording rather than a live video chat!

She responded to things Charlie said, so it had to be her, live.

>4. Tom was pissed that Ben is losing it. He said they should have actually shot the three captives instead of shooting into the sand. why would Ben be kind to the three captives when he has no remorse over killing 40 Dharma and lots of others!

We didn't actually see Tom at the Purge, did we? We did see Richard - the only recognizable Other (and Ben, of course.)

>5. And finally, the good guys! how come the others still remain good guys even after killing so many people and Sawyer is bad because he killed one? Others plot and kill people all the time, which should amount enormous amount of bad karma!

Even as Desmond said, the Losties far exceed the Others in body-count, at least in the current day.

This episode alone - losses:

Losties -

Charlie

Others -

Ryan
Tom
8 unnamed kidnap squad members
Mikhail (at least I think so)
Bonnie
Greta (although these three not
at the Losties' hands,
or at least not directly)

Who knows whose side -

Naomi


>the shocked and trapped others immediately circumventing three hidden snipers is a little too much, but this is another fiction and impossibles happen here.

That one irked me, too. In the previoew I assumed the Others had advanced intelligence, and sneaked up behind the Losties. It's hard to credit only three survivors of the initial ambush could recover and best each of the three ambushers so speedily.

>I didn't understand why Ben would order Mikhael to kill Bonnie & Greta?

As to why this, I'm assuming that Ben didn't want his actions disclosed to the rest of the Others (who, remember, don't know that Ben's secretly making sure none of them can leave the island, while presenting the illusion that they can. I guess he didn't trust B&G to keep the secrest but for some reason does trust Mikhail,


>they knew Ben lied to the people about floding of the station. and if the station can continue to jam frequencies even if it flooded, why not flood it? why man the station with two people secretly? this is also my main problem with Lost. why should a user enter code and execute every 108 minute to de-magnetize when you can write a program/service which would do this automatically and more efficiently?

No clue from what's been presented so far, but these sure are interesting questions.

#127. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 3:48 PM

Did anyone catch the name of the guy that answered the call? I could have swore he said Radinsky... or something similar. Isn't that the same name as the guy that was in the hatch pushing the button before Desmond?? I'm probably way off base -- we definitely saw him die, right?

#128. Posted by: shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 24, 2007 3:49 PM

i read all the spoilers and I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. I kinda wish i hadn't read them from the aspect of mind falling out of my as at the end, but maybe it's good it didn't

#129. Posted by: crowbar at May 24, 2007 3:50 PM

i read all the spoilers and I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. I kinda wish i hadn't read them from the aspect of mind falling out of my ass at the end, but maybe it's good it didn't

#130. Posted by: crowbar at May 24, 2007 3:50 PM

@113 --> I agree about the bleak future for Jack. My hope is there will be some sort of butterfly effect back on the island that will change his course. Jack isn't my favorite character, but I sure as hell don't want to see him end up like Rush Limbaugh!

But I did enjoy the episode and I will be watching next year to see how the story continues to unfold.

I watched the episode twice. I could swear that Jack said "either" to the funeral director and not "neither." Don't know if I'm mistaken or if it means anything, but I thought it was interesting. My first thought was that Rose was in the coffin, having succumbed to cancer after leaving the island. But there are lots of great theories here, and I could buy into many of them!

#131. Posted by: equeyaya at May 24, 2007 3:51 PM

First!!!
Wait, I'm not first?!?!?
Hate to say it but I may be posting here all year long.

So the big Tsunami ending that a lot of us came up with didn't happen. One theory I have though on that is this:

Naomi works for some evil corp (Whidmore likely) who has been searching for the island to remove it or exploit it. Maybe they are sending aircraft right now to bomb it back to B.C. Still I see hope that the unexpected Tsunami of '04 happens and huge waves destroy/disable the freighter and/or aircraft - hence leaving the losties back to the comfort of being stranded on the island.

I was hoping for more smokey and four toed explanations but oh well, I was definitely rooting on the Losties out loud last night, it was a good episode.

#132. Posted by: callaway76 at May 24, 2007 3:53 PM

@128
The name was Gradowski I listened to it a few times to be certain, spelling obviuosly could be wrong

#133. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 24, 2007 3:53 PM

I do believe the flashforward was legit and I can't see any alternate timelines coming into play.

For those who are depressed at the prospect of seeing Jack turn into such a bum, remember that what we saw in the flash forward doesn't have to be the end of Jack's story. At some point after those events he could get it together.

It seems to me we are being led to believe that Jack can only find peace by getting back to the island and his journey back there will be more of a finale for Jack and maybe the series.

#134. Posted by: Razzle Dazzle at May 24, 2007 3:59 PM

@112 Stocky said:

>Last thought -- when Ben was asking Jack why he wanted to leave the island so bad, and pointed out that back in that world, Jack had NOTHING, it occurred to me -- this is pretty much true for almost everyone that crashed on 815. None of them really has a REASON to go back to their old lives, but they are trying as hard as hell to do it anyway.

Well, Hurley's got about 160 million reasons to go home.

#135. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 4:07 PM

Mac,

GRAA!! I'm gonna miss you just as much as Lost. You have the BEST review. Thanks so much!!

The "snake in the mailbox"? Totally delivered by my favorite postmen, Damon and Carlton! Bender, the cast and crew put on a kick-ass show that kept me fixated in front of the TV like a little kid watching cartoons after school! Oh my goodness! I cried, cheered, cried some more, yelled, oh'd and awed, cracked up and cried again! THE BEST SEASON FINALE - EVER!

As far as spoilers, very minor details so my "WOW" experience wasn't ruined. I was in AWE. Charlies death scene was beautiful & peaceful and I cried - like a baby. I've always loved how Charlie connected with nearly all of the Losties through humour, kindness and honesty. I'll miss his character!

THE FLASHFOWARD. OH MY GOODNESS. Blew me away! Jack...poor, poor Jack. He was in a really, really bad place.I honestly think the conversation that he and Kate had at the airport alluded that Kate broke off their relationship because Jack couldn't get the Island out of his head. Something else must have happened on the island BEFORE the rescue. Guess we'll find that out next year. GRRRR!

I did some checking around re: the FUNERAL. CREEPY. The name in the obit started with "JO" so I'm thinking John Locke. John had no family or friends.

WALT! A brief visit back to the island but I wasn't sure if he was really Walt, Smokie or Walt making one of his Shannon type appearances.

FUNNIEST LINE: Danielle to Alex: "wanna help me tie him up?"...funnier than ***t.

I'll be checking things out through the summer. But until then..I'm gonna miss Lost. Can't wait for S3 DVD

#136. Posted by: amelia at May 24, 2007 4:08 PM

Does anyone remember the end of "Back to the Future"? This could be an alternate version of what COULD happen when/if they get off the island. The future isn't written yet, so things could change.

#137. Posted by: Kim at May 24, 2007 4:10 PM

I initially thought it strange that Locke would kill Naomi. We've seen him choose not to kill at least 3 times - his dad, Jack, and the cop-kid in the woods. However, I wonder if the knife wound in Naomi is not fatal. Did he intentionally hit her in a non-lethal place. We already know she heals well - she had a freakin punctured lung 2 days ago. I think Naomi will be back. And Locke's "kills" reset to zero.

I don't think I'm going to get to hung up on Jack's "future" story. There's no way they'll do Final Destination (it's already been done - too many times). Remember that last season's finale included 2 off-island characters that we NEVER saw during season 3. I have a feeling that we won't see many "future flashes" during Season 4 either. The arctic team was a game-changer too, and it didn't affect season 3. I don't think the finale's game changer will effect season 4.

Something big will happen to start season 4 that will keep the Losties from being rescued. Will it be Desmond that comes back to warn them that it was not Penny's boat? Will Locke do something to re-jam the signal? (It looked like he was heading in to the radio tower). Will Michael & Walt be on that boat? Are Micheal & Walt hostages on that boat (the coordinates Ben sent them to) and Walt is using his projecting abilities to warn Locke that it is not a rescue? Will Richard and his group do something to stop the boat people?

I think Jack's flash-forward is a possible outcome. It's not set in stone. Desmond has already changed things many times by saving Charlie.

The game-changing piece of it is that now we, the audience, don't want them to leave the island!!! We realize they (or at least Jack) don't have a bright future to look forward to off the island.

The island is where certain people can find redemption from their past. Once they discover the secrets of the island, maybe they will be able to live peaceably with the Smoke Monster, Jacob, and Alpert's natives.

#138. Posted by: GFish at May 24, 2007 4:11 PM

Fantastic recap, Mac. My weekly Lost experience is not complete until after I've read your summary.

The person in the coffin can't be Ben if Jack followed through with his plan to kill Ben as soon as they were rescued.

I can't imagine an "urban" Lost. Lost moving from the island to the city is like the Ricardo's moving from New York City to Los Angeles; it just doesn't work!

No Lost for 8 MONTHS!! NOOOO!!!

#139. Posted by: Jes at May 24, 2007 4:13 PM

#122 Paige said:

>In the first scene when they are all walking DOWN the beach, the water is to their right.

>The next scene they are walking UP the beach with the water to their left.

Shhhh, you weren't supposed to notice, but Jack started off going the wrong way at first because he held the map upside down.

Or, would you believe, the transmitter moved while they were in transit?

Or, had to swing by the rest stop first?

Or, walked through magic island field that reversed left and right?

Or, There's realy two islnads and they walked counter clockwise around the first, swam over to the other, and walked clockwise around the second.

Or, Island topology not confomally mapped to earth?

Or, Island is on a different planet that's saddle shaped rather than spherical, so this all makes sense.

Or, walked North a ways along eastern shore of island with sea on right, then crossed over to opposite side of island and continnied walking North along western shore with sea on left.

Or, bad writing/directing.

#140. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 4:20 PM

I think the scene where Charlie was getting the password was really interesting. Something tells me that's going to come up again in the future. Why would the password be set to a song? She said that a musician made it up. Any guesses as to who?

#141. Posted by: shannon... But I don't date my brother at May 24, 2007 4:21 PM

Dang. Well, Charlie died. I really, really, hate that eye patch guy. With a burning passion. Where did he get that grenade anyway?

Oh, and by the way, I believed Ben about the Naomi thing for, like, 2 seconds, but then everything got really confusing and I just tried to stay out of it.

Oh well, that's what I get for trying to wrap my tiny brain around the gigantic bundle of confusion that is lost.

A bundle, I might add, that we won't be seeing again for a year. Good. I need some time to cope with Charlie's death.

#142. Posted by: dominoghan at May 24, 2007 4:23 PM

@post 135/Cecil Rose wrote:

>Well, Hurley's got about 160 million reasons to go home.

In our eyes, sure. But in Hurley's eyes -- that lottery money is the embodyment of his being cursed. Nothing good has happened to Hurley since he won that lottery money (his life really took a downward turn if you think about it), and based on the way he's been living his life on the island, I'm sure he'd be more than happy to NEVER see that money again...

#143. Posted by: Stocky at May 24, 2007 4:23 PM

Of course, I was referring to Jack's flash-forward! :-)

#144. Posted by: Kim at May 24, 2007 4:24 PM


One more thing (posted this someplace else..can't remember..lol) :

Flashforward?

I hope this is the direction Lost is going when it starts back next year. It only makes logical sense to explain the whole tale of the Losties. Seasons 1-3 were flashbacks. We learned who they were BEFORE they came to the island. The show is basically their lives on the island. It makes logical sense for us to know what happens or who they become once they leave the island. If that's the direction, I'll embrace it, especially if it's ANY indication of the quality show we seen in "Through the Looking Glass".

#145. Posted by: amelia at May 24, 2007 4:25 PM

No spoilers for me and I'm glad!!!
And I loved the "Jim Morrison Jack"!

#146. Posted by: R at May 24, 2007 4:26 PM

I doubt the body in the casket was Walt, Juliet or Locke. Michael would obviously had gone to the funeral; he's Walt's dad (Walt's mom would've gone too). Juliet's sister and child would go it she would've died. And Locke's ex-girlfriend (aka Peg Bundy) would surely be there for him, along with a few random co-workers from the box factory. But from the other posts about being able to read the obit, perhaps it's a new character we haven't yet met.

#147. Posted by: Laura at May 24, 2007 4:28 PM

Maybe it's just me, but all throught Jackie-boy's pathetic drunken suicidal pill-popping bout of self-pity, I kept thinking of Dante in Kevin Smith's Clerks who kept saying, "I'm not supposed to be here!"

#148. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 24, 2007 4:31 PM

Just my take, from the Answers show it seems like the producers were like - if we tell you something, we told you, analyze but don't over-analyze, we're not lying to you... By that rationale I think the Jack future flash is what it is and won't be changed by other events - ala back to the future. They tease us, but when they tell us something, I think it's legit.

#149. Posted by: R at May 24, 2007 4:32 PM

@ Laura re: 147

Uhm... Walt's Mom is dead.

Not that it means anything on this show.

#150. Posted by: The Duf at May 24, 2007 4:33 PM

I think Naomi may be affiliated with Dharma because Ben didn't want Jack to call her people. He knew he'd have to pay the piper for the "purge". Just my 2 cents.

#151. Posted by: Ian at May 24, 2007 4:37 PM

RE. "Fortunately, the island's radio station -- WBEN -- is just around the bend. "

Small point...apologize for being nit-picky...OCD kicking in against my will...but...

Radio stations east of the Mississippi start with a double-yew. Radio stations west of the Mississippi start with a kay. So it should be KBEN.

I don't believe satellite radio stations are held to this same convention.

Of course, they may not even be on this planet...

ANTP? - Anyone Notice The Porthole?

#152. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 24, 2007 4:38 PM

New acronym:

TSWN

That Song Was Nirvana.

#153. Posted by: JoePike at May 24, 2007 4:41 PM

I LOVED HURLEY!!!!!!
And I loved Danielle's idea of mother/daughter bonding, "Island-style"
Patchy has to be dead. He's the 5th person who was supposed to die.
How'd we get the idea that the funeral was for a girl? Nothing indicated either way that I could see.

#154. Posted by: littlelostlamb at May 24, 2007 4:46 PM

1.) I dont think its too hard to explain why Penny is now contacting the Looking Glass... It happened immediately after Charlie disabled the jamming equipment. Seems obvious that she has been trying to contact the island since the arctic researchers got a signal, and the transmission opened up when charlie played that beach boys song.

2.) Charlie didn't escape because he was giving his life for the group as seen by Desmond. He has come full circle (remember his finger-tape that said fate). You are missing the point (and beauty of this story line) if you are wondering why he didn't save himself.

#155. Posted by: EricS at May 24, 2007 4:49 PM

I think they were "returned" to the past - it is a flashback of the "future" of them getting off the island but they somehow end up in a parallel world where they haven't made the mistakes they made the first time - Kate is not in jail for killing her step father -maybe because in this world she didn't kill him, in this world Jack's dad didn't die. They all get a "second chance" to make things right, and for some reason things are worse for Jack in this world - he makes worse mistakes than he did the first time - thus wanting the redo again...getting too mind boggling...and I promised myself not to think about this until at least next November!!

#156. Posted by: momofteen at May 24, 2007 4:50 PM

Does anyone know the actual numbers Charlie pressed when he was in the Looking Glass? I'm sure it's some variation of our favorite numbers, but just curious.

As for Locke...why is he so hell-bent on keeping everyone on the island? If he wants to stay, just stay! He doesn't have to get on the helicopter or rescue boat or whatever it is. I doubt he just wants the company.

Also, I did not read spoilers and thrilled that I didn't!

#157. Posted by: PenFoe at May 24, 2007 4:55 PM

Fifth Best Line: "I am a dentist, I am not Rambo"

#158. Posted by: Ronny B at May 24, 2007 4:56 PM

WBEN - absolutely priceless! One of the best macisms ever!!!!


What does Walt have against Charlie. Apparently he is prejudiced towards hobbits and prefers old geezers like Locke.


It was great to finally see Sayid do something for a change that showcases his military eppertise.


You and me ain't done, Zeke - way to go Sawyer, you cam thru with flying colors on that one!


Who pushed the van this time to get it started? me thinks this is a writer's relapse.

#159. Posted by: ButchM at May 24, 2007 5:03 PM

K so if Jack's flashback was actually a "flash forward" into the future when they're off the island.....

Why did he say to the black chief of surgery dude "Get my father down here, and if he's drunker than I am, you can fire me."

Jack's dad isn't dead?!?!

My theory:

When you come to the island, you leave the "current timeline" and are in some alternate timeless sort of place. When you leave the island, you go back to the current timeline -- but you go back a little bit further back in the past than when you left. I think this is what happened to Desmond when he turned the key in the failsafe -- he went back to the "real timeline" and entered his own past... He told his buddy in the pub about what being on an island, pushing a button, all that stuff. After Desmond disappeared in the boat race, that guy told Penny about it, and Penny has been searching for Desmond ever since.

So when our Losties leave the island, they go back to the "current timeline" but a past part of the timeline -- but they all still remember what really happened. Jack's father doesn't die, maybe Kate doesn't kill her own father and that's why she's not in jail... Jack says something like "I'm tired of lying" which I think means they all kept the secret. I think maybe Kate, Jack, and one other (whoever was in the coffin) were the only ones who eventually made it off.

The only thing I can't reconcile is that the plane still must have crashed -- because Jack talks about "the golden passes they gave us". The only thing I can think of is this whole theme of 'redemption' going on. Maybe the characters were brought to the island to redeem their past mistakes; and if all the characters redeem themselves on the island, and then they go back into their past timeline... Jack doesn't get his dad fired (so his dad doesn't die), Kate doesn't kill her dad (so she's not in Prison), the plane crashes, but it crashes on a "regular" island since they don't need the redemption anymore. (Does that make any sense?)

#160. Posted by: jay at May 24, 2007 5:03 PM

Now this is pretty far fetched, but it's my only hope that Charlie lives and Jack's life isn't all messed up. What if everything we have seen back to a certain point is a Desmonition. He realizes what will happen and change the course of action. This way, Charlie can live, Naomi's lies will be known, and they still know when the others are coming. Not likely, but I can hope.

#161. Posted by: Kyle at May 24, 2007 5:03 PM

Great review!
1. I think the body in the casket is Ben - why else would nobody show up? He just took the name of Jeremy Bentham, like Kate took the name of another to protect herself. If Jack wanted to get back to the island, and Ben died, who else could tell him how?
2. I think Desmond and his choices are the key to all of this. Why didn't he bonk Charlie on the head and dive in before Charlie got him? Everything Dez does has consequences for another character.
3. Anybody else catch the cyclops (Mikhail) from the Odysseus story? And Penelope was the wife's name. Maybe our Dez is in a Fantasy Island Meets Hell-inspired version of the Odyssey?

#162. Posted by: Dharmabum1 at May 24, 2007 5:07 PM

Re: Jack's Father

I believe he is still dead and will remain so. Notice that no one in the hospital got on the phone and called the Drunk Doctor down. Jack's comments were drug/drink induced.

And at the funeral home, when he was asked about being a friend or family member of the deceased, his reply was "Neither."

#163. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at May 24, 2007 5:11 PM

After Penny's apparently *deliberate* call to the Looking Glass, and seeing her surprise that Desmond might be there, I'm rethinking Naomi's first appearance. First, we see that a picture of Desmond and Penny from way back is part of her 'necessary' equipment, then we hear Naomi's surprised "Desmond?" upon regaining consciousness. We now know Penny had not hired Naomi's crew to scour the earth for her lost love, so I'm beginning to suspect that Naomi was searching for PENNY, not Desmond.

#164. Posted by: marissa at May 24, 2007 5:12 PM

This was one hell of an episode. A friend got me hooked on this show, which i had never seen before this year, I started by netflix-ing seasons one and two and became so hooked i was going over the whole 4 hour DVD in one sitting jonesing for the next one to arrive. I watched the 4 hr dvd and then read the previous seasons blog here as well as some of the comments on each episode, I finally caught up and my friend and I watched it every Wed. It is a great show and this is a great review. Thx Mac, I really enjoy it very much. This particular episode was really obscure (poor charlie knowingly swam to his death?!?!?) and very enlightning as well. Hurley proves his worthiness to the tribe. We see that they get off Ben's Pacific paradise island and that something actually happens between kate and jack. WTHIITC????
Is sawyer with kate now. Or BEN??? "he's waiting" hmmmmm.....
I am trying and trying to decipher who the heck died but so far i've come up with nothing. Who from the island died and nobody shows for the funeral? Kate even asks jack :"Why wouldI go to the funeral?" so she despises him or doesnt give a crap. WTF????
WTHIITC <---Who the hell is in that coffin??

#165. Posted by: mapache at May 24, 2007 5:19 PM

Jeremy Bentham is an anagram for:

My Jet Been Harm

So there you go.
Obviously.

#166. Posted by: PenFoe at May 24, 2007 5:19 PM

Two all those who write: "am i first?" you sound incredibly dumb. what are you pre-last-episode-Walt?

#167. Posted by: mapache at May 24, 2007 5:22 PM

Man, it's really hard to find words how to describe how insanely awesome last night's episode was. The only thing that bothered me was I knew it was coming, but not because I saw it on the net. I watched "The Answers" episode right before, and the producers specifically said, this show has a past, a present, and a future. Dead give away.

As awesome as this episode was, they have to be very careful with how they use this. There will be a much harder time killing off characters now, and as much as I enjoy the how did they get off the island question, I still enjoy the will they get off question (now only pertaining to death). ABC also did a show about life after a tragic event called "The Nine" and it lasted all of four episodes.

It doesn't matter though. This was the greatest season finale, and I can't wait to see how they top it next year.

#168. Posted by: The Other Other at May 24, 2007 5:22 PM

Mac - wonderful recap for the finale! I can't believe we have 9 months of NOTHINGNESS !! (is that a word?) Take a much earned rest and I'll be waiting IMPATIENTLY for your reviews.

Shoot I miss Charlie already, hope old Turnip Head wears the ring Charlie left behind.

Thanks all for your interesting theories!!!

#169. Posted by: PJ in Paradise at May 24, 2007 5:23 PM

Mmmm mmm what a great episode...

A lot of good questions have been posed so far, but I just want to tip my hat to the writers and what they pulled off last night. Here are my thoughts:

1) Charlie - I was in the "sick of Charlie" camp that was ready for him to die, tired of his rise and fall and rise and fall, rinse & repeat character arc. That was, until he entered the LG station. Charlie won me back with his cool, calm, reserved nature and the way he totally screwed with his captors. The whole exchange was brilliantly written and acted. I believe he did what he did (didn't try to escape) because he firmly believed he had to drown to get Claire rescued. Touching stuff, especially when Aaron started crying after he died. Also, bravo for quickly thinking and scrawling that note on your hand for Des - finally some forward thinking communication of important facts!

2) The Losties finally win one. I was irritated with last week's "Next time on Lost" because I felt like it gave away the fact that the Losties plan was a failure, and led to the capture of Jin, Sayed, and Bernard. I was tired of seeing the Losties constantly getting their butts handed to 'em by the Others. My boy Hurley pulled through when he barreled out of the jungle in the van - I didn't care about the how or why, it was a worthwhile suspension of disbelief. When Sayed broke that guy's neck with his legs - man, what a badass. And the Other's 10 best men are toast.

3) Which brings up my next point - Not Penny's Boat. My gut feeling is that Naomi/Freighter is likely some Dharma expedition sent to find/retake the island. Now that they have a position, they may try to send a task force to the island, but of course as Naomi, Des, Henry Gale, Flight 815, and the Black Rock have learned, the island is a tough place to get to, alien landing strip or not. I have a feeling this Dharma boat may wind up beached/sinking, marooning the new Dharmites on the Island as well. In anycase, I think you'll have Dharma folk landing and trying to retake the island (they did this once before after 'the incident', no?) ... this new outside influence may result in a banding together of the Losties and Others against a new common enemy, or possibly a split of the Others with a few true believers going with Locke into the jungle, and the disenfranchised joining with Juliet and the Others. Still, lots of possibilities.

4) Flash forward - I first noticed the automatic BP cuffs in the hospital looked like brand new Welch Allyn units we just got in the hospital where I worked, but I naturally assumed it was a simple overlook. Ditto Jack's cell. He mentioned Daddy but he was also drunk and hopped up on oxycodone, so he could be saying plenty of things that don't make sense. I was bummed for Jack. No idea who's in the coffin, except its not Kate. Maybe someone new, that'd be good. In anycase, while I normally abhor the candy coated happy endings hollywood churns out, i'm so invested in Jack that I want him to get off the island and return to a good life, not a sucky one. And Kate is apparently living the good life and she's a fugitive? WTF? Hoping that it was a dream, or a flash of a potential future, or one Jack can work his way out of... I've always thought that they might get off the island and spend the final season or few episodes showing what happens to the Losties when they get home. I doubt they get rescued next season. I'm thinking Desmond's flash of Claire on the helecopter was farther in the future. Right now I"m betting for some sort of Lostie/Other/Freighterfolk showdown. I think we'll learn more about Jacob, the Island, and the Hostiles (and the fact that they only have 4 toes?) in the future.

I sure hope Mikhail is dead, even though I was beginning to like his character as a potential anti-Ben Sayed-like badass. Another great exchange from last night: after Ben orders him to kill the two women in the LG station, he goes out and talks to them and the one makes her case for blind adherance to Ben's orders and Mikhail kind of shrugs and says "You make an excellent point"... and procedes to carry out his orders. Brilliant.

Alright, too much for now, so I'll quit. I can't wait until 2008!!! :)

BH

#170. Posted by: biohazard at May 24, 2007 5:27 PM

Okay here are my thoughts after reading “most” of the posts had to skip over tons of people repeating the same things – READ PEOPLE READ!

Anyway I loved the episode, I stayed away from spoilers and I think it’s better, I did read spoilers for 2 of the previous episodes and it took all the excitement away.

I think Jack life is going down hill because he is racked with guilt. I wished Ben would just stop lying so that Jack could have believed him – I believed his story about the people on the boat being bad, but after everything he’s done to the losties, who can blame them for not believing. I think next season is going to be about what happened when Darma finally finds the island, what that means for the rest of the world and what the do with the island powers. Maybe in the 70’s Darma was a peace loving people but the world is a very different place in 2007. Maybe Ben and the others were really trying to protect the world by not letting the island fall into the wrong hands.

I don’t know if the flash forward was real, or something that could be changed. But I think we saw Jack self destructing because of the guilt he felt about letting the power of the island out into the world. We didn’t get a chance to see who else dies after the rescuers and why the losties aren’t “friends” anymore. If I had gone threw all that with those people, I’d keep in touch. Something weird happened between all of them. I think Darhma is forcing them to keep what the island can do a secret, that’s what Jack meant about being tired of lying

#171. Posted by: Mary at May 24, 2007 5:29 PM

REARVIEW MIROR - Freeze frame this. Did anyone else notice when Jack looks in rearview miror while waiting for Kate at the airport - the reflection looking back looks like he's 50 years old. Bizarre. Anyone?

#172. Posted by: jamama at May 24, 2007 5:33 PM

@mac: Great review, and thanks for all your hard work. You made too many LOL remarks for me to repeat this time. I need to read your recap another 2 or 3 times before I can take it all in.

Going into this without spoilers really worked for me. Although I did get the future-flash idea before the final reveal, I loved riding the Lost roller-coaster. I think my new policy for next season will be to avoid all spoilers and wait for the WTF moments. (And thanks, RNM, for starting the “WTF” epidemic on this blog. That’s not one of my usual acronyms, but now I can’t stop!)

As for the future-flash concept, I think one of the main themes will continue to be fate vs. free will. And I like to believe that the future, as presented last night, can still be changed. (Don’t give up hope, FenwayBen!)

Regarding Jin’s gun being miscalibrated (Ironfist/86): I still believe Ben (mr. bug-eyed secret agenda) did not shoot Locke with the intention of killing him. Ben didn’t accidentally shoot Locke in the side because the gun sight was off, or he would have followed up with a head shot to seal the deal. However, after Jin missed hitting the dynamite, it did occur to me that maybe Ben “adjusted” the gun before returning it to Alex’s bloody hands (since she betrayed him and there is now a teensy trust issue. Teenagers!)

And, speaking of treachery, what’s a bug-eyed optimist to do when his people are turning on him at every opportunity? That’s why he went alone (other than Alex) to the radio tower. Who the heck can he trust to have his back at this point? Although he did a nice job of reminding Patchy Mikhail of his loyalties.

If only Ben could have been as convincing with Jack as he was with Patchy. During the Summit of Snuffleupagus Mountain, I was really routing for Ben to change Jack’s mind. And I have no idea why (darn manipulative Lost writers!) If only Ben could present his case with less innuendo, and just lay out some facts. Although Jack’s viewpoint is so narrow, it’s not likely he could put the situation in context and made a reasoned decision, no matter what Ben said. I really don’t look forward to another season of Jack’s angry, arrogant, tortured, self-pitying existence. Let the man find some redemption already, or just kill him off.

As for Juliet, I thought her expression when Sawyer capped Tom was “Oh, crap!” My theory remains that she was working with Alpert (and maybe Tom) to overthrow Ben. And still not revealing all her secrets to the Losties. She is one of my favorite characters. The kiss with Jack (as Kate looks on) and the remark to Sawyer about the alien landing strip! Classic!

Oh, and after all of our speculation about Bonnie and Greta, they get offed by a remorseless Patchy (“You’re right, Bonnie, it IS important to follow orders. Thanks for the reminder.” BOOM! BOOM!)

Now we have 8 endless months to debate who’s in the coffin (groan).

@nikk c/31: Congratulations on the first Cassidy sighting of this episode (but I don’t think it was her : )

@Cecil Rose/140: Thanks for all the scenarios as to why the ocean changed position, but my favorite is that Jack had the map upside down! (Good grief, Jack, whenever you find a map, just hand it to Sayid immediately!)

TSWN! (JoePike/153)

My absolute favorite scene (dancing around the living room, clapping and yelling) was Hurley in the bus (don’t care how he got it started, don’t care who he ran over). And his endearing boast on the walkie-talkie “I saved us. I saved us all. I saved Sayid and Jin and Bernard and Juliet and Sawyer.” Never underestimate the Hugo-nator! Love you, Hurley!

Oh, no! Hurley will be devastated when he finds out about Charlie : ((

On the walkie, Ben to Bonnie: “Which one is it?” Bonnie: “I don’t know.” Charlie: “Tell him it’s Charlie! Tell him I said Hi!” RIP, little hobbit. You did good.

#173. Posted by: Clementine at May 24, 2007 5:36 PM

Things that the producers said in the "intro" made things seem straight forward, so things should fall as they seem. Things do logically fall into place, eventually. Sawyer was in the casket. It was a real flash-forward. Jack's dad is dead but he is haunted by all that died.

In the fourth season. . . Jack saved a lot of castaways but all the savees had to promise that there was no-one else left on the island and they had to say there were no "miracles" there. This will be the start of the next season. Those who want to leave will be convinced that they need to say nothing by “this corporation” who knows SOME of the secrets from Dahrma, especially the fountain of youth to be tapped. All will agree. But Slowly Jack realizes that he put those left all in doom, realizing that Ben was right in that the island should not have been “discovered.” So we'll see flash-forwards and Jack and Kate getting the gang together -- ala Heroes, and working to find a way on the island using Hurley's millions. What is happening on the island with those who chose to stay will be the other half of the season.

Again, Darhma is probably NOT the ones who were trying to find the island as they could make "drops" (and this is probably just one person last standing, unknown to by the "corporation ".) One last thought.

I already said, "Again, Darhma is probably NOT the ones who were trying to find the island as they could make "drops" (and this is probably just one person last standing, unknown to by the "corporation ".)"

This is Hanso and the other Heroes track him down in the Far East---perhaps is was on Jack’s tattoo all along which said where to find him!!! That he would be a leader-- hero, he's searching to find it again as the other times others told him he was a hero it really was a failure.

The evil corporation wants to tap into the mysteries, but they will not risk anyone else leave the island and the hunt is on with Jacob (again the immortal lost “Ancient” trapped in some magnetic vortex, helping Locke save everyone possible. They have surveillance on the returnees as a threat for them not to talk--- along with the threat that they will kill all on the island. Jack knows you cannot believe those who make a threat and he suffers for years---that’s why Kate and Jack’s L.A. relationship did not last long. Kate said in the flash forward that "he will be wondering where I am." There is someone closely following her and that's why she can't make a commitment yet to help Jack.

The fifth season will be something else--- Jack fighting along with Locke to recapture the island—leaving him ultimately the choice “to kill forty”—and he will, but this time shooting himself in the mouth as he cannot live with it as Locke can. As Ben could.

See you next year.

#174. Posted by: afriendnebraska at May 24, 2007 5:41 PM

@mapache - MIF is all you need to remember!!

@ everyone else - I'm saving my "rewatch" for this evening's festivities. The coffin mystery is really bothering me; that one is going to come back and WTF us next season. I also think that Kate's man is going to be a major surprise. For all we know she has been forced to be Ben's mistress all this time..:)

#175. Posted by: meg at May 24, 2007 5:41 PM

Is the island really far east of the Mississippi, or really far west? I think KBEN may be more accurate, buy hey, this is LOST.

#176. Posted by: onelostdude at May 24, 2007 5:45 PM

Oh, and my favorite macism of this week was Jack's response to Ben's obseration.

mac wrote:

Jack isn't impressed. His botched surgeries have accounted for at least 2,000 deaths. "Forty? Hell, I killed 40 people last year!"

#177. Posted by: meg at May 24, 2007 5:45 PM

This is what I posted on Monday (May 21) under the "Lost gets its end date - 2010":
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"Okay, here's my two-cents worth for a storyline over the next couple seasons. I think the Losties do eventually get off the island. However, there are certain parties (the government and the private research/medical industry) who would have been happy if they had been left there to rot. I foresee the Losties trying to get their story out against an ever-growing number of people/agencies that discredit the Losties at every turn AND wants/needs to make sure the world never finds out about this "magic" island where no one ages or gets cancer. Unfortunately, they're also not able to reproduce just yet....but they're working on it. Just some food for thought...

→ 20. Posted by: grannyv at May 21, 2007 02:18 PM"
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Didn't really think about the Losties wanting to get BACK to the island. But, if you think about it, it actually makes sense for at least some of them to want to go back -- like Jack, who has absolutely nothing going for him back in the real world.

And, here's some more food for thought. How in the world are they ever going to get back there anyway? The Losties dropped out of the sky totally by accident. The "rescue" (or is it???) boat found them, but only with the aid of a signal from a satellite phone. My guess is that they'll have to hunt down whoever's behind Dharma (Hello, Mr. Widmore)in order to return to "fantasy island" again.

Last night's episode was awesomely jaw-dropping. I'm so glad I taped it! Can't wait til next year, but I guess I'll have to.

And by the way, I was just made aware of this blog by one of my co-workers, who got it from her brother-in-law. Figures. We could've been exchanging theories all season long, but noooo -- we discovered it with two weeks left in the season. Sheesh. There's always next year....

Even though I'm a new poster here, something tells me this won't be my last one.

#178. Posted by: grannyv at May 24, 2007 5:56 PM

I agree with whomever said that it was depressing to watch Jack as such a loser. I was starting to get annoyed with Jack and his "she's under my protection attitude". I knew right away these were flash forwards and really started to feel for the guy. His demise began when he allowed Ben not to radio back to Tom. I think Jack finally grew a pair, so it was a good idea for the group. I wonder if we slowly see Jack fall apart on the island.
I do think the series will end because of a decision Jack makes - leaving us all to take sides and debate - should they have left or shouldn't they have?

#179. Posted by: reg at May 24, 2007 5:56 PM

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

amazing finale, probably the best eps so far in lost ( the future flash thing was awesome)

so sad to see charlie go, he was a funny guy!

8 months till s4? no way, thats crazy!

anyhow s3 has been way better than s2, bring on s4!

#180. Posted by: ismail at May 24, 2007 5:59 PM

First time posting..
what if the casket person is Sawyer? Maybe it wouldn't explain why jack is so sad except for their mutual connection to the island. But for Kate, if she IS preggers and he ditches her after they get off the island, that would explain why she wouldn't go to his funeral. bad baby daddy? Actually, now that I think about it, I like Sawyer way too much to think he would ditch Kate..
"Greatest Hits" had me practically in tear, watching Charlie accept his fate so bravely and sya his good-byes.. poor charlie, that really got me.. even more then losing Eko. and Johnny Damon.. GO SOX!
I love this show.. I love how it makes people think! it's so smart and complicated and well acted.. even if there are some gaps in there once in a while.
It's going to be a long wait until next season.. think I'll rent the dvds and watch the first two seasons again..
Junkie!

#181. Posted by: AnotherMeg at May 24, 2007 6:01 PM

The real tragedy of Charlie's death is that it might not have even mattered. It has only been implied that Claire and Aaron would be rescued, but what Desmond said that he saw was Claire and baby getting onto a helicopter. If it is a Dharma helicopter, all was for naught.

Instead of the Beach Boys, maybe Charlie should have listened to some Tupac. M.O.B

#182. Posted by: markthefish at May 24, 2007 6:06 PM

@meg: I rest my case........ PLEWMIF
pre last episode walt meg is first

#183. Posted by: mapache at May 24, 2007 6:06 PM

I've been reading your recaps for a long time and I love your style Mac!

Posting #2 theorizes that it is Ben in the coffin. That makes sense for two reasons 1)Small coffin 2)Kate's disgusted response when asked if she went to the funeral. This would put the "he'll be wondering where I am" comment in the her and Sawyer combination possibility.

Another thought is that it was Sawyer in the box and Kate's little Jack Sawyer Jr. is at home waiting up for her.

The mystery now is what was ruined by them leaving? Did they change the evolution of the planet is some Stephen King type way or did they realize they deserted Paradise? Jack sure was hit hard.

Thanks for all your hard work in these recaps. Have a great vacation.

#184. Posted by: IguanaDon at May 24, 2007 6:13 PM


@ransomjackson - With rescuers on the way, I for one cannot imagine how they're going to stretch this thing out for another three seasons.

I don't think they are going to be "rescuers." If they are not with Penny, there is a chance they may be evil people.

@GatorGal, #26 - great point!

What I'd REALLY like to know is "Who
shot J.R.?"


witb - who's in the box? Although I want to say Ben, I'm gonna have to go with Locke.

#185. Posted by: ButchM at May 24, 2007 6:16 PM

Isn't Rose going to die if she leaves the island? Her need to stay is just as strong as John Locke's. Why would she support a rescue mission if she's not going to leave? Just wondering...

Thanks for the amazing recaps Mac. You've made Thursdays such a joy.

#186. Posted by: jill_in_az at May 24, 2007 6:17 PM

@Everyone

So what are we going to do now that the show is over? I think we should....
(a) Reinvent the caption contest. Mac, that was genious! Why did you take it away?
(b) Keep on posting our brilliant thoughts. Yes, I know it'll be a long time. However, knowing me, I'll probably think of something revealing about this episode in, like, October.
(c) Yeah, that's all I've got.

Let me know if you guys have any other ideas to pass the time!

#187. Posted by: dominoghan at May 24, 2007 6:21 PM

When Charlie floats away from the door hatch, the port hole is directly hehind him. Even diminutive Charlie could not have fit through it. Des yells "Penny" just before Charlie locks the door; Des is desperate to get inside to talk to her. Charlie knows Des would also die, since Patchy has waved the gernade defiantly in front of him.

Also think Michael is in the coffin and Walt is still on the island.

Fabulous writing, Mac. Can't stand the 8 month wait for more!

#188. Posted by: Dackers at May 24, 2007 6:29 PM

In the future flashes Jacks's dad is still alive, and Kate's not in Jail. It seems like a lot of this show revolves around mistakes and screw ups that each character made in their lives. Do you get the feeling that they were given a 2nd chance to relive part of their lives? Just a thought. Also if a musician made up the code numbers and they play music if typed into a phone, has anyone tried the original lost numbers and heard what it played? I hope it's Margaritaville by Jimmy Buffet.

#189. Posted by: Brandon Massey at May 24, 2007 6:32 PM

1. Is it just me or have they just completely abandoned the original hatch thread...

I find it hard to believe that someone had to keep entering the numbers and pushing the button or the hatch would implode... (AND THAT IS ALL THAT WOULD HAPPEN?).

What are the long term effects of the hatch imploding? If the hatch was serveing the purpose of de-magnatizing the natural occurance of the island's magnetic force on a regular basis, why is the island not out of control now?

It's like... BOOM the hatch implodes and that's it... done with that... no need to deal with hatches anymore.... carry on... It leaves me wanting much much more.

2. Last season ends with the guys in the arctic seeing the blip on the screen and contacting Penny... So why didn't they set off and try and find the the source of the blip... let's see.. the guys are sitting there for months.. years???? They see the blip... "hey there's a blip!" and then go back to their card game....... Give me something!!!!!!

That said, it was the best episode yet!

#190. Posted by: schmutzmd at May 24, 2007 6:40 PM

@Clementine - The Hugo-nator, that's a good one.


@mapache - MIF


@AnotherMeg - welcome aboard, but remember, you are merely JAM (just another meg)

#191. Posted by: ButchM at May 24, 2007 6:42 PM

@Clementine - The Hugo-nator, that's a good one.


@mapache - MIF


@AnotherMeg - welcome aboard, but remember, you are merely JAM (just another meg)

#192. Posted by: ButchM at May 24, 2007 6:42 PM

About Penny appearing on the radio screen - she asked Charlie, "How did YOU get this frequency?", implying that the Looking Glass radio called HER frequency, not that she called or chanced upon them! Was the Looking Glass radio tuned into her father's frequency, perhaps? Is it his ship that is off shore? We know she's been searching like crazy, but it appears that she was contacted by the Looking Glass, not the other way around!

#193. Posted by: Dackers at May 24, 2007 6:42 PM

Woohoo, I'm the 193rd person to post! Seriously, what's the obsession with being first to post. Anyway, loved this episode - it blew the Heroes finale out of the water. It's going to be a long, long wait from here.

Mac, excellent recap as always.

#194. Posted by: t-code-j at May 24, 2007 6:57 PM

@Butch - nenaa -- not everything needs an acronym.
You're one of the "am I first" guys, too, aren't you? wcwf - who cares who's first? mapache is right about that. Harder, better goal - be the first poster with a good observation, question, or theory.
Also, @97 Dan and @80 gables79, and others, why even bother to come here and complain about how dumb the show is? I don't go on the Gray's Anatomy blog and b****c about that show, I just don't watch it.

#195. Posted by: dwasd at May 24, 2007 6:58 PM

All this time we've Obi-Locke has really been Darth Locke. Who cares, he's still the best on the island.

I also didn't see anyone else mention about the scene where Ben tells Richard to lead the rest of the others to the Temple (or ruins) as planned. That's one of many clues that tells me the main story will stay on the island w/out rescue until the series ends. I think the Tsunami will take out the Naomi's boat or the "Bad Guys," or the immediate rescue in other words.

My Favorite Line; when Sawyer asked Juliet what the freeway was for she replied "For the aliens" gotta love that girl.

And no spoilers for me. It's like using cheats on a video game.

#196. Posted by: middies at May 24, 2007 7:07 PM

@195

ILA (I Like Acronyms)

IELBA (I Especially Like ButchM’s Acronyms)

ARF (Acronyms Are Fun)

BTW DFTM (Don’t Forget the M) as in ButchM

#197. Posted by: Clementine at May 24, 2007 7:09 PM

I meant to say:

ARF (Acronyms 'R' Fun)

Hee, Hee! And they are!

#198. Posted by: Clementine at May 24, 2007 7:12 PM

WOW!AWESOME!!!At the casket/viewing,Jack says that he is neither a friend nor family with whomever is in the casket.Add that together with the fact that noone showed up other than Jack,I'm willing to guess it's Sawyer,Lock, or maybe even Ben.Who knows it may even be someone we haven't been introduced to?Needless to say,someone else got off the island other than just Kate and Sawyer.

#199. Posted by: Hurley Burley at May 24, 2007 7:19 PM

@152 ransomjackson said:

RE. "Fortunately, the island's radio station -- WBEN -- is just around the bend. "

>Small point...apologize for being nit-picky...OCD kicking in against my will...but...

>Radio stations east of the Mississippi start with a double-yew. Radio stations west of the Mississippi start with a kay. So it should be KBEN.

But if the ispands on the other side of the international date line, it becomse East Longitude, which would make it... "W".

Bit of course these rules hold only in the USA, of course. Mexican stations start with "X". Canadians, I belive, with "C". Who knows if there's a prefix for Lostelvania?

#200. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 7:22 PM

Wow, 200 in seven hours. mac, ya'll have outdone yourself.

#201. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 7:40 PM

Great show! I'll be watching agin tonight. Two things about Jack jumped out at me. They're probably insignificate but here goes?

1. When Naomi askes Jack: "What did you do for a living before you became Moses?" Jack's reply: "I was a doctor." WAS not AM. Since when is he no longer a doctor. Why would he say 'was?' Will we find out that he has already left the island and returned, ala Desmond? What really happened when he was living with Others. Are we going to be seeing flashbacks of unexplained time on the island?

2. When Jack was standing on the bridge, did he say "forgive me" or "don't leave me." I replayed it about five times and I could have sworne I heard "don't leave me."

Probably nothing but wow what a great twist.

#202. Posted by: Okinawagi at May 24, 2007 7:43 PM

Loved last night's episode. It was nail-biting and full of interesting moments.

I adored the look of complete surprise and bewilderment on Jack's face when Juliet kissed him and then walked off with her "don't wait up" line. Takes me back to her remark that Jack was 'Cute" whan she first sees him and obviously she has been wanting to plant that kiss for a while.

I think that Jack's fate is one possible future and that he knows clearly of one decision that he made while on the island that he wants to go back and change.

So, is Juliet still a bad guy? Seh certainly surprised many of the others when they heard she had given up the info on the looking glass and on the impending arrival of the others on the beach. She also looked like she was about to shoot Sawyer and then was stunned when he shot Tom.

Sawyer's line about not believing Tom will play into nexgt season cos now Juliet knows Sawyer does not trust her..

No surpirse that the one time Ben tells the truth (about Naomi) nobody believes him and that ultimately it means that Ben is responsible for the outside world finding the island not Jack. Ben knows this and he is desperately trying to get himself out of the little predicament he owns up to in his conversation with Mikhail.

Jack's future is certainly bleak and I would like him to be on the path to happiness as a result of all his bravery, leadership and courage. Part of me thinks the next season will be more about him coming back to the island to redeem himself, but that he will need many of the other losties to go back with him.

Penny sounded genuinely surprised to hear the Des was A-OK so I think her connection to the island has been in constant loop for years and that she just responded when the channel finally opened - talk about obsessed!!!!


{lease don't be so hard on Bernard. After all his spilling of the beans resulted in Jin still being alive at the wnd of the show.

Can't wait till next season, thanks MAC

#203. Posted by: weepict at May 24, 2007 7:59 PM

Again, most seem to be seeing without looking. At no point is it made explicitly clear that Jack's father is still alive.

When Jack says to the head surgeon "go get my father and see who's drunker", he could easily be speaking rhetorically, and keep in mind he is stinking drunk.

When he produces the prescription from Dr. Christian Sheppard's office, couldn't Jack have easily grabbed a stack of prescriptions from some of his dead father's effects and forged one? If I were addicted to oxycontin and had access to scripts, I would forge them too.

I guess what I'm saying is that nothing on this show is as what it first appears. Keep that in mind while coming up with all of your crazy ass theories.

It's gonna be a long 20 minutes till next season

#204. Posted by: markthefish at May 24, 2007 8:22 PM

@204 markthefish said:

>It's gonna be a long 20 minutes till next season

Is that in island time?

#205. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 8:27 PM

@193 I think you are on to something.

I think Naomi was hired by Penny's father, Mr. Widmore. When she discovered Desmond was on the island, she made up this story about how she was hired by Penny... maybe Widmore knew Desmond would be on the island, and wanted him killed once and for all to keep him away from Penny? Remember, a lot of the Dharma stuff - the real Henry Gale's balloon, Sun's pregnancy test, etc - has Widmore logos on it.

I think the Others, after the purge, did something to render the island invisible, or make DHARMA unable to find it. Widmore/DHARMA has been searching for the island. Penny has been searching for Desmond. They both appear to have found what they were looking for at the same time....

#206. Posted by: jay at May 24, 2007 8:42 PM

Just got around to the official Lost podcast from 5/21. Loved this quote from the producers:

"If anyone can snatch failure from the jaws of success its Jack Shephard."

#207. Posted by: Clementine at May 24, 2007 8:49 PM

Mac Daddy, what will we do until 2008? Will you post anything interesting periodically to help quench our lost thirst?

Bring on football season...

#208. Posted by: R at May 24, 2007 9:04 PM

A technical error from the producers? Water coming into a room through a blown porthole would fill the room to just above the top of the porthole. Then the remaining air would have nowhere to go. There'd be quite a lot of air for Charlie to breathe - for many minutes.
Great show - great review Mac.

#209. Posted by: Diveshaft at May 24, 2007 9:06 PM

A technical error from the producers? Water coming into a room through a blown porthole would fill the room to just above the top of the porthole. Then the remaining air would have nowhere to go. There'd be quite a lot of air for Charlie to breathe - for many minutes.
Oh - and a waterproof jamming transmitter? Right!
Great show - great review Mac.

#210. Posted by: Diveshaft at May 24, 2007 9:08 PM

@210 - I don't see why not. You ever been aboard a US Navy submarine? Those guys can (and do) waterproof *everything.*

#211. Posted by: jay at May 24, 2007 9:43 PM

***** SPOILERS *****
Maybe the whole episode was one of Desmond's flash forward "flashes" and none of it has actually happened yet. In this case, he now knows what he has to prevent.

#212. Posted by: drew at May 24, 2007 9:44 PM

Spoiled vs Non-spoiled

I read the spoiler synopsis last week and wish I hadn't. I really would have been surprised by the flash-forward and the appearance of Baby Shaq at the Dharma pit otherwise. I'm done being spoiled....lesson learned.

Mac, it seems you almost have to check out the spoilers so you'll be able to detect if some j'moke comes in here and posts actual spoilers as their "theories".

great, great finale though.

#213. Posted by: Diggler at May 24, 2007 9:56 PM

@Stoky/112 - Maybe they have nothing to go back to, but they want to get away from Smokey & the crazy people who keep kidnapping, torturing & threatening them with no explanation.

#214. Posted by: hurling at May 24, 2007 9:59 PM

Guys, a word about spoiler warnings at this point. Nobody, probably even including the writers, knows for sure what's going to happen next, since nothing's in the can.

So you may commit *speculation*, but there's no possible *spoilers* right now, unless you've got a direct channel to Lindelhof and Cuze's secret vault.

#215. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 24, 2007 10:06 PM

Just a thought, I remember Ben beating the tar out of Sawyer when he was in the bear cage. He had super human strength. so, I am of the opinion that Ben intended to let Jack woop him so that he could go along for the journey with the losties. This is all part of his plan.
I still do not trust Juliette.
Whoever is in that coffin was awfully short.
Could this all have been a dream sequence that Jack has and the whole night has not yet happened.

#216. Posted by: Sheila at May 24, 2007 10:07 PM

Everyone seems to believe that there really is a ship 80 miles off shore. We now know that Naomi was not really working for Penny. But what makes everyone still believe that there is a ship? If she was lying about working for Penny and looking for Desmond, she could be lying about a boat. We also know that Ben has files on everyone...so he could have given her information on Desmond as well (ie: the picture of Desmond and Penny). The phone Naomi finally got to work could have connected to another phone anywhere...including someone the island. And the man on the other end really could be coming...but not to save them. I don't remember Ben being all that shocked or surprised when he learned Naomi had been found...perhaps she was another plant...maybe to spy on Juliet?

#217. Posted by: Ham at May 24, 2007 10:09 PM

How is it possible that no one(although I might I have missed it) has mentioned that the end of the show sets up the entire show as a new rendering of the James Hilton novel "Lost Horizon"

The 1933 novel tells the story of Hugh Conway who crashes with four others in the mountains of Tibet. The survivors learn from the dying pilot of a nearby lamasery known as Shagri-La.

Shangr-La, which holds the secret of extended life contingent on the residents staying in the lamasery and is a seemingly ideal community.

Conway decides to flee and then later regrets it. Conway later realizes that he has made a mistake and the story ends with Conway consumed with the fruitless task of trying to find Shangri-La in the wilds of the Tibetan mountains.

Perhaps the rest of the Lost series will become Jack trying to get back to the island.

#218. Posted by: HOW DID YOU MISS LOST HORIZON SPIN??? at May 24, 2007 10:17 PM

Charlie did not attempt to escape because he believes if he lives then claire doesnt get rescued. which is also why he knocked des out on the boat. he did it for claire.

side note: who else believes jacob and the smoke monster are one in the same?

#219. Posted by: karen at May 24, 2007 10:40 PM

Excellent episode. Best ever as far as I'm concerned. I'd just like to make a couple points (I haven't read all the comments yet).

1. I really believe Jack's father is still dead. A supporting example would be when the pharmacy attendant was about to phone Jack's father for confirmation regarding the prescription, but Jack told her to forget it and left in an angry rampage.

2. I know some of you are wondering "Why didn't Charlie just go out the shattered window to safety?" Well that's because he thinks he HAS to die for everyone to get rescued. If Desmond was to intervene, the entire premonition would not become reality.

3. The maps on the floor of Jack's apartment, nearing the end of the episode lead me to believe that Jack and the rest of them don't know where the island is. How would he not know where the island was if he was rescued from it?? Something fishy there.

4. The last scene was incredible. Best expository scene in the entire series. I was thinking, "Hmm maybe its PENNY?!?!" but when i saw Kate, my jaw dropped. Definitely didn't see that coming (as the gullable fellow I am). And is it just me or does Kate look hotter on the island than off???

5. And finally, the reason why Jack wants to go back onto the island is because he wants to continue fixing something. As exemplified in the back story - excuse me - future story**, he seemed to enjoy having the project of fixing the woman he saved. I thought Jack put an emmy award winning performance together in this episode, i really do.

#220. Posted by: Ross at May 24, 2007 10:41 PM

re: HOW DID YOU MISS LOST HORIZON SPIN???

Perhaps the reason that Jack is depressed is the fact that the person in the coffin was Ben. Ben being a main link to Jack getting back to the island. Perhaps not - why would Ben ever leave the island.

Perhaps it is Sawyer. In a previous post someone screen captured the obituary which stated that the person had committed suicide by hanging. Obviously other people are feeling the same way Jack is and like Jack are despondent or suicidal because they have left the island like the guy in the novel Lost Horizon.

#221. Posted by: scoopdownunder@yahoo.com at May 24, 2007 10:44 PM

Oh yea i forgot to add this comment...

6. The person in the coffin is, i'm pretty confident, an african-american. Jack pulls up beside a couple black guys when he parks for the service of the unknown gentlement. And the pastor was african american as well. This would definitely lead to an african-american in the coffin, correct?!

We definitely don't know who it is yet, the idendity of the fellow will be revealed later on in the series, I think.

#222. Posted by: Ross at May 24, 2007 10:53 PM

"Previously On Lost. . ."

They didn't start out with this familiar statement.

This is a stretch but; previously deals with the past so if this was an episode based on a flash forward then the producers left out the previously on lost opening as a subtitle hint of the flash forward.

#223. Posted by: Sean at May 24, 2007 11:04 PM

I think only one other person commented on it, and it's not that big of a deal, but I'm pretty positive that the woman who crashed her car was the woman that Sawyer conned. It looked just like her! Which means that the boy that Jack saw in the waiting room was Sawyer's son? Helps with the timeline a little bit...and, as always, everyone's connected!

#224. Posted by: Brittany at May 24, 2007 11:05 PM

The Ben-in-the-casket theory is sounding more and more plausible. More on that later.

I think Walt is from the present day (aka the future). He knows what has happened, and is talking to Locke in the past (on the Island) to change the timeline. This is why Locke told Jack that this (contacting Naomi's boat) isn't the way it is "supposed to happen."

Now, post-rescue, Jack realizes what a mistake it was, and is reliant on Ben, whose health took a turn for the worse after the rescue, as his one hope to return to the Island.

Now Ben has finally died, and with him Jack's remaining hope to go back. This is why he decides to commit suicide.

#225. Posted by: James at May 24, 2007 11:34 PM

@ Sheila 218 et al...

Just so there is no speculation in regards to the person in the "coffin" being small (like Ben or Walt)- I am a Funeral Director, and I can assure you the casket shown sitting on the bier was standard size adult casket. In my experiences for nearly 15 years,unless the deceased is an infant under 3' or a teenager under 4', everybody who is buried is in a standard adult size casket. When closed, there would be no way of knowing if the person was 4'6" or 6'6" tall. Just thought I'd share.

@ Ross 224- Yes, the on island Kate is much hotter than L.A. Kate. Kind of Maryann vs. Ginger huh?

#226. Posted by: Three men and a baby... I counted Hugo twice... at May 24, 2007 11:45 PM

Seems to be more DOUBLE POSTS than usual this go-around. Friends, just hit the “post” button once . . and WAIT. It will eventually go thru the system.

I agree with many who think the body in the coffin will turn out to be very important in the entire scheme of the show. But I think we’re going to have to . . again, WAIT . . and eventually it will come thru the system . . .

The funeral parlor appeared to be in a black oriented neighborhood. That would usually indicate African-American “clientele”, however, I can’t recall ANYBODY of African-American decent that would inspire such abject sorrow and complete emotional breakdown that is being experienced by Jack at this point in time.

I’m considering that we haven’t met this person yet.

And as for the “Lost Horizon” spin, I alluded to that movie two weeks ago in a post. I’ve been seeing that scenario loom beneath the surface of this season for some time. Afterall, it’s a great classic fantasy story line . . long before we referred to that kind of genre as SciFi. (It was one of my favorite films as a boy to watch on Saturday afternoon TV.)

BTW: The folks who did the “Frick and Frack” act on Jack turning the upside-down map over to Sayid as quickly as possible . . . that was very sharp!

Enjoying the comments.

#227. Posted by: davidrh at May 25, 2007 12:02 AM

I don't understand the Charlie death, and I refuse to believe he's gone...

We don't see him dead...only we see him getting fuzzy and breathing with the fishes. Can Desmond save him somehow? CPR worked in other episodes. Picture this: Des gets on some scuba gear and gets Charlie out through the porthole on the other side. The only reason Charlie didn't attempt an escape was because he believed it was his fate. Desmond saved him many times before, whats the difference now?

OK, OK, maybe not, but it would suck to kill off Charlie, he doesn't get redemption this way... I think there is something more to it.

And for the record, my guess: during Jack's flash forward, it was Locke's funeral.

#228. Posted by: Yensalt at May 25, 2007 12:46 AM

I'm confused....

and not feeling very satisfied ...

All season they did not give us anything on the Penny Widmore deal at the end of season 2. And it's the same thing for the season 3 finale ? sheesh... and now we have what appears to be a future scene ? Kate and Jack got off the island ? Why is Jack so distraught ? Why is Kate not in the slammer ? Nothin' but questions and no answers. I will say it was nice to see the Losties win a couple rounds, sure, but can't you guys pay some bills ? You owe me !

now I understand that we gotta wait 8 months ????????? 8 months !!! EIGHT ???

"we're gonna need a bigger boat"

#229. Posted by: thinng at May 25, 2007 12:51 AM

@ Ross #220

RE: Charlie's death

"Well that's because he thinks he HAS to die for everyone to get rescued. If Desmond was to intervene, the entire premonition would not become reality."

Not true! Desmond predicted that Charlie was to fiddle with the buttons, make the light go out, and thats it. Who says he needs to drown? Desmond saves Charlie when they are out looking for the parachute... The resulting premonition was still full filled then. If he gets out alive after doing all of this, mission STILL accomplished!

Not to mention, Naomi's boat isn't going to rescue them...Charlie knew it wasn't Penny's rescue boat, thats why he had to warn Des. Its a setup! Naomi lied! premonition null and void!

#230. Posted by: Yensalt at May 25, 2007 1:12 AM

@224 (and at least one other) - Cassie, Sawyer's ex, had a daughter, Clementine. (Don't ask me how I remember crap like this! LOL!)

Was pondering the show with my mom tonight, and we both wondered something bizarre - is the entire show so far a flashback in itself, and Jack is remembering it? Not something I totally want, as I'm hopeful Jack will possibly change the outcome of his future, to something at least marginally better than how we saw him last night. But it was something unusual....

#231. Posted by: Irish at May 25, 2007 1:21 AM

I did not catch the african american funeral parlor setting. Ross #222 might have a point there(at the same time, you did not really go out on a limb to predict we will learn that little bit of info in the future.)

who is it? Three black candidates -- micheal, or walt (who is no longer short) or Eko, or some other fellow we have not met.

Other thoughts on the i.d. -- The deceased is obviously very important to Jack, though not his family or friend, and the death has a devastating effect on his desire to return to the island. That leaves Ben, maybe Locke, Jacob, or Michael or Walt, maybe someone new. Lack of attendance by others, plus kate's disdain for the deceased, suggests someone who had not been very friendly thus far -- ben, locke, michael, or someone we meet in the interim who is or turns out bad, maybe walt, maybe jacob, maybe someone new. I don't think it's Sawyer, though I'm not convinced kate is with Sawyer in the future. . . . could also be Juliette, if she (as is quite possible, even though her crew is mostly dead now) betrays our losties again. Looking forward to finding out, but am pretty sure I can entertain myself in the meantime -- it is almost summer!

#232. Posted by: kateisalwayshot at May 25, 2007 1:28 AM

1. Who's in the casket? Jack's 1st cell phone call he starts to tell the person (kate?) that he saw the paper and was "sorry". Who would be likely to end up hanging themselves?

2. Where/How the heck did Charlie find a sharpie with only seconds until his predetermined drowning?

3. Locke tells Jack "you're not supposed to do this" when Jack is insisting on making the satellite connection. Could it be part of the work Man-Walt (luv that!) says Locke has to do--protect Jack from the dismal future?

3. Ben told Pryce not to kill them, Tom thought Ben was losing it and they should've offed them. This was to demonstrate Ben's undoing as a leader and to make sure we wouldn't feel too sorry to see "loveable" Tom go. Although I kinda was.

4. Love Sayid--that boys got some skills!

5. Still too many unanswered questions about the island to leave it yet.

6. The show's creators said it's all about the character's redemption yet Jack seems to be as bad or worse than when the plane went down. I've never been disappointed in a single thing about LOST but I HATED that part. I was considering quitting LOST until I read Mac's Review. I'll hang in there for now. Thanx Mac.

#233. Posted by: Rainmom at May 25, 2007 1:39 AM

So, is it correct to say that for this episode, the story on the island is a flashback, and the story about Jack is the present day?

#234. Posted by: Madally Wurlpiz at May 25, 2007 3:44 AM

Just watched the highlights again on dvr in HD -
-no hint as to the body's gender from the funeral director
- I personally could not read ANYthing on the obit; but it seems to be accepted here that someone named Jerry Bentham or the like hung himself
-casket was in fact kinda short
-Aaron cried right after Charlie died, and was redeemed (excellent death, destiny and all that rot; don't wonder why he did not try to escape, or hope is is alive; his passing was far better than that of everyone else who has died on this show)
-Ben did not appear to hear the news about Tom & co from Hurley
-loved the scene of Sawyer kickin' back with a dharma brew on the beach beside the VW bus after the battle. maybe his personality will return.
-map on Jack's wall, above his head before he called Kate at the end, was covered with push pins in the INDIAN ocean- NE of Australia - in the 2004 tsunami path (is the timing of that still "on"?)
-'nother random glimpse of Vincent - who takes care of that dog the rest of the time?!
-once again, not Cassie. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

#235. Posted by: analysisparalysis at May 25, 2007 4:31 AM

@233

Charlie was using a sharpie to write down his 5 Greatest Hits list. It was in his pocket, I imagine.

Speaking of which, the list was in Desmond's pocket and is probably pretty wet now.

#236. Posted by: I Saved Everybody! at May 25, 2007 4:43 AM

In the "questions answered" (or some other inappropiate title) piece before the finale, the producers clearly stated something along the lines of "Lost has a past, a present and a future, and by the end of it we'll see all three". Again, I would have been happy to have this as a SERIES finale, but 24 hours later I don't feel any better about the future they showed us. Call me crazy, but watching once noble people drink themselves to death isn't very rewarding. Cuse and Lindelof have pulled some incredible rabbits out of their hats (admittedly, only to see Alex skin them!) in the past, but I fear next season will unfold one of two ways: Either every character will have a "front story" in the "now", or the producers will forget about it for at least a season (see Desmond getting in the sail boat, the research station that calls Penny Widmore, Michael and Walt leaving the Island, the numbers...)

The bright side is that (despite a few gaffs re: what side of the island is the ocean on?!?) the on Island stuff is getting good. Everything in the Looking Glass was well done, Charlie was smart, witty and determined. the Double Double Cross with Ben/Greta and Bonnie/Patchy was awesome, adn the Penny/Desmond separated again wsa timed just right. Watching our Charlie save Des, and finally pass on critical information to someone else before contently losing breath was a great TV moment.

Not only that, but resolutions at least appear near. Maybe we'll see more about the "temple"/ruins and learn about the Island's "original" inhabitants next season. Ben seems to have one friend left (and it's not Jacob), assuming Patchy can survive grenades like he can everything else. Will we see more "trials" like when Juliet killed Danny? Patchy and Ben sure do have some splainin to do if the truth gets out! Where the heck does Locke think he's going? And why did Ben instruct Pace to only pretend to shoot Jin, Sayid and Bernard? These are the questions I'll focus on this summer/fall/winter. You all can worry about the coffin, Kate's keeper and the (pickled?!?) status of Christian Shephard, I think I'm gonna do a mind wipe on the future stuff till the show gives us something that ties into it.

PS Thanks to whomever was the funeral worker, I din't think there was anything strange about the size of the coffin (wait, what coffin?) but I didn't want to look foolish for saying so!

#237. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 25, 2007 5:37 AM

WHAT a GREAT ENDING!!!!!!!
I think that losties action on the island will change thier future. I do't know about u guys but has anyone noticed that the new doctor in Jack's flash was working in the hospital before, it is in the season 2 when jack's wife had an accident the doctor was their helping Jack, so i suppose that the future has changed and the doctor became the chiefe of surgeon!!!!
I hope in season 4 we get some answears about these changes .

#238. Posted by: lost with Jack at May 25, 2007 6:20 AM

I've checked several computers and it appears that my post back at #227 seems to have come into the system all jumbled. Here's a re-post:

*****

Seems to be more DOUBLE POSTS than usual this go-around. Friends, just hit the “post” button once . . and WAIT. It will eventually go thru the system.

I agree with many who think the body in the coffin will turn out to be very important in the entire scheme of the show. But I think we’re going to have to . . again, WAIT . . and eventually it will come thru the system . . .

The funeral parlor appeared to be in a black oriented neighborhood. That would usually indicate African-American “clientele”, however, I can’t recall ANYBODY of African-American decent that would inspire such abject sorrow and complete emotional breakdown that is being experienced by Jack at this point in time.

I’m considering that we haven’t met this person yet.

And as for the “Lost Horizon” spin, I alluded to that movie two weeks ago in a post. I’ve been seeing that scenario loom beneath the surface of this season for some time. Afterall, it’s a great classic fantasy story line . . long before we referred to that kind of genre as SciFi. (It was one of my favorite films as a boy to watch on Saturday afternoon TV.)

BTW: The folks who did the “Frick and Frack” act on Jack turning the upside-down map over to Sayid as quickly as possible . . . that was very sharp!

Enjoying the comments.

#239. Posted by: davidrh at May 25, 2007 7:47 AM

"Ben is unarmed, save for his exoskeleton"

roflmao

first time post - usually a lurker but i just had to tell you i love ur ben-bug jokes :D theyre hilarious

#240. Posted by: nat at May 25, 2007 7:56 AM

Wow! So much to add since last night. I've read up to post #227, and I have to add some things before I forget.

@dwasd - ADM - Acronyms Do Matter
LBMAA - Leave ButchM Alone Already

@Clemintine - Oh my darling, Clemintine (I've always loved that name!)

@Ross - You and I seem to be on the exact same page. After rewatching last night I wanted to post about how much better Kate looks on the island without all the makeup and polished look. Also, about the dead person being African-American, most definitely. Maybe Naomi survived somehow, and they hate her because she was responsible for ultimately getting them off the island. Or, maybe someone she knows or she was working for was involved in this and he's the one.

#241. Posted by: meg at May 25, 2007 7:57 AM

One more thing I forgot to add that someone commented on earlier. Rose definitely does NOT want to leave the island. What if she does something to try to prevent everyone from leaving. it would be out of character, but hey, this is Lost. What if the dead person in the coffin is her? She left the island and died of cancer. This explains why Jack is now so sure they HAVE to go back. It wouldn't explain why no one was at her viewing though.

#242. Posted by: meg at May 25, 2007 8:01 AM

What if Jack's "Flash-Back" is truly a flashback, and not a "Flash-forward"?

Consider that CC and DL have stated that Jack's dad is definitely dead. Maybe Jack's statement in the hospital about his dad being drunk isn't a misstatement.

Consider that the real twist at the end of the show was that Jack and Kate knew each other prior to the crash on the island.

Consider that, with the exception of Desmond's premonitions, the story has only used flashbacks.

Consider that the obit appears to be for somebody that has yet to be introduced into the story.

Consider that none of our Losties had so much hatred toward them that nobody would attend their funeral based on what we know right now.

Consider that the only real story point that would support the "Flash-Forward" theory is the golden airline tickets, which could be explained some other way.

Consider that the the story has consisted of the common thread of what is happening on the island, with flashbacks on how our characters go to where they are in their lives.

Personally, I find the prospects to the story to be much more appealing to have Jack's flashbacks be flashbacks. Either way, everything has changed. I’m much more intrigued to think that the Jack/Kate relationship existed prior to the crash and that maybe they aren’t really strangers to the island.

#243. Posted by: Bill at May 25, 2007 8:17 AM

I have to read all the posts, maybe somebody addressed this notion already.... But how is it that Kate is a "free" woman in that flash forward? Shouldn't she be in jail for the murder that surely wasn't forgotten or forgiven? Did she lie about her identity when they made it off the island? Is that one of the things Jack is "tired of lying" about? And who is "he wondering where I am" as Kate says... Her Probation Officer? lol, probably not. Thoughts?

#244. Posted by: R at May 25, 2007 8:30 AM

Madally Wurlpiz/234 wrote:

>>So, is it correct to say that for this episode, the story on the island is a flashback, and the story about Jack is the present day?>-map on Jack's wall, above his head before he called Kate at the end, was covered with push pins in the INDIAN ocean- NE of Australia - in the 2004 tsunami path (is the timing of that still "on"?)<<

The Indian Ocean is NW of Australia, not NE. The push pins WERE marked out in a NE direction -- they were marking the flight path of 815, leaving Australia, and making the course correction in the wrong direction. Clearly Jack has become intent (obsessed?) with finding where the island is, and a way to get back to it.

Remember what Ben told Michael when he let him leave? He told Michael that once he left, he would never be able to find his way back. So far, we have only seen two people (not counting Walt) actually be able to return to the island once they've left it -- Richard and Ethan, who I believe are both natives to the island, and thus somehow have the ability to do so (how, we do not know yet...).

#245. Posted by: Stocky at May 25, 2007 8:31 AM

To those who think Kate looked better on-island than in the "future flash":

Isn't it obvious that Evangeline Lily was made up to look slightly older? Her face is fuller, from the puffiness around her eyes to her cheeks. She is clearly supposed to look older, just like they did with Jack. Depending on when they actually get rescued (Dec. 2004 or early 2005), that gives them about 2 years of time post rescue (assuming that the "future flash" takes place in the present/2007), which is plenty of time to put on some weight and show some aging.

#246. Posted by: Stocky at May 25, 2007 8:48 AM

The obituary:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

Any thoughts?

#247. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 25, 2007 8:57 AM

At first I was sort of dissapointed that jack's flashback was really a flashforward. I have never liked his character on the island but I felt really sorry for him. After going through all that now he's a drunk hooked on precsription meds... In his flashforward he's alone, so where is Juliet? Does she die?

But after I thouhgt about it, I'm not so much dissapointed anymore. I always thought a way they would end LOST is when rescue comes some Loasties decide to stay some go..but this is obviosly not going to be the case...so I suppose an even better ending is some of them going back to he island...Jack obviously wants to go back...maybe he'll convince Kate etc...

About the coffin...at first I though Ben because Kate said " Why would I go" so she didn't like who died..then I thought maybe Locke? From the poster who wrote what they could see that was in the paper is seems that person who dies committed suicide? So Jack is not the only one adjusting to normal life? Jack was almost going to kill himself...so I wonder if some of them will try to go back to the island in the end??

#248. Posted by: lostgrrl at May 25, 2007 9:09 AM

@ 212 Drew
"***** SPOILERS *****
Maybe the whole episode was one of Desmond's flash forward "flashes" and none of it has actually happened yet. In this case, he now knows what he has to prevent."

Someone's personnel theory is not spoiler it is just what you think will happen. Theories are not facts and therefore not spoilers.

@247 how do you know that is what the obir said? I have a 55' HDTV and 20/20 vision and when pausing my TV I could not make that out. I could only make out "Man Found" at the top of the obit, which you don't even mention. What is your source?

My two theories on the casket is Ben, which I have previously said and many others have specualted, and nobody. The casket right now is a mystery and maybe the writers haven't fully decided who is in it yet. They didn't decide to kill Charlie off until "The Brig" episode (source Kristen interview of Damon E! online). I don't think it has been decided who is in the casket yet, it leaves them more possibilities.

#249. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 25, 2007 9:16 AM

#247...

Ok, no clue who John Latham is? Maybe a new person we have't seen yet. I would assume on the island since Jack/Kate both know him..Someone Kate didn't care for?

#250. Posted by: Lostgrrl at May 25, 2007 9:17 AM

@247
i agree with 249, how the heck can you read what that paper says? all i could make out was man found downtown. very curious about your source!!

#251. Posted by: karen at May 25, 2007 9:51 AM

Maybe John Latham is a new identity for Michael. Perhaps part of the deal for him to leave the island is for him and Walt to have to adopt a new identity. Ben definitely couldn't have them re-enter the outside world as Walt and Michael, especially in light of the story that all paasegars on 815 were killed. Mike would also probably keep up the ruse after the Losties got rescued, as I'm sure he didn't want to have to explain to police how he murdered several people on Dharma island. I would also guess that Michael would be carrying around a lot of guilt over what he did, and would be a prime candidate for suicide. That would only leave how Jack, Kate and any other Losties found out about Michael and Walt's new identity, and I'm fairly certain that Jack's description of himself being neither 'family or friend' would fit how he felt about Michael to some degree.

#252. Posted by: chudan at May 25, 2007 9:52 AM

@SillyGirl0630 - Yes, how do you know what it says? Can you post a picture of what it says? Maybe the initials indicate its John Locke - JL - John Lantham. That's my idea. Yet, I still think the person is black.

#253. Posted by: meg at May 25, 2007 9:52 AM

FWIW....here's a Wiki excerpt for an artist named John Latham.....Hmnnnn


"Perhaps the culmination of Latham's fusion of art, science and sociology was the concept of Flat Time. In its most basic form, it is represented by a canvas attached at the top to a cylinder which rolls up and unrolls on an electric motor. The back of the canvas faces outwards so that the image is only visible along the cylinder at the point where it unrolls. This represents the present moment in passing time which can only be made sense of when related to what has already gone, the past, represented by the image on the back of the canvas. The ideas contained within the time-base roller, as it is know, are far more complicated. While the vertical represents passing, clock time, scale along the cylinder is the 'time-base'. This is a concept, developed by Latham, asserting that the period of an event is fundamental to its properties and to how it relates to other events. The cylinder is scaled A-Z with A denoting the shortest possible event, M the period of human activity cycles (roughly 30 years), U the period of the universe and Z a notional period in which other universe could occur. The square of this canvas, time-base against clock time, is the area where all events can be mapped out, as Latham himself puts it, 'This omnipresent component the painting surface becomes a score which unfolds while being there all the time, via the time base.' If all events, however large or small, can be represented on the same scale, then psychology and sociology must take an equal foot physics in our understanding of the universe."

#254. Posted by: petew at May 25, 2007 9:54 AM

@Chudan
good observation! that would make sense. he was from NY, he has a teenaged son. he is riddled with guilt over what happened on the island. could be true!

#255. Posted by: karen at May 25, 2007 10:03 AM

I don't understand how some people still think Jack's flash-forward was a flashback. Denial can be an ugly thing.

#256. Posted by: James at May 25, 2007 10:09 AM

There must be a time warp and that would explain why everyone has to come to the island on the submarine and knocked out with sedative. Maybe humans cant stand going through a time warp.

#257. Posted by: gay at May 25, 2007 10:21 AM

I take some things at face value on the show. Not everything is a trick. I could be wrong, but I think it was a legit flash forward. And as such... I would LOVE to see the story show Jack getting BACK to the island. I can's guess the hows or whens of that plot line occuring, but it would be so cool.

So what do we really really know about the obituary, not speculation. I thought we only knew the name started with a J - Jack, John, Jacob, Juliet, James(Sawyer)??????

Like Meg & James, I need the proof sillygirl.

#258. Posted by: R at May 25, 2007 10:23 AM

Another issue to think about is the impact of Michael's death (if he is Lantham) whould have on Jack and why it might lead him to jumping off the bridge. Michael is likely the only person, other than Ben and some Others, that knows the double top secret heading for getting off the island. Maybe Jack saw Michael as the only way to get back to Dharma island by backtracking his route. For whatever reason, Jack was devastated by the news of Lantham's death, and coupled with his obsession to get back to the island, might indicate that he saw Lantham/Michael? as the only way back short of a bizarre repeat of the original crash.

#259. Posted by: chudan at May 25, 2007 10:24 AM

@Matty Matt(249) & Karen(251):

While I was not able to make out the entire obit, as Sillygirl0630(247) was able to somehow, what I was able to make out does match up with what she had written out. This is what I was able to make out:

"Los Angeles

Man found....
downtown......

The body of J... ...antham of
New York was found shortly after 4
am in the ...... ...... of Grand
Avenue."

I gave up after that, but it does fit to this point. I'm sure SillyGirl0630 probably found the obit online somewhere, because I don't see how anyone could have made out the entire obit from what was shown on TV.

Based on the obit and the time frame, it does make sense that it could have been Michael, if in fact he and Walt did make it back to "civilization" on that ferry boat. No one else we've met so far would have been able to have been survived by a teenage son 2-3 years after the crash occurred. But I agree as well that it could be someone we haven't met yet. I also like Chudan's thoughts (post 252), that it could have been Michael under an assumed name...

#260. Posted by: Stocky at May 25, 2007 10:33 AM

Watched the episode again last night. A couple things I caught the second time:

1. Sawyer kicking back a brew, leaning against the Dharma hippie van/death wagon after the losties raid.

2. Sayid is a crazy dude. Tied up, but still head butting and spitting. Meow! This guy will have an action movie for sure!

#261. Posted by: Jim at May 25, 2007 10:37 AM

I wonder what that Dharma brew is like. I'm completely alcohol dependent, yet I'm not sure a twenty-year-old warm beer would be enticing.

Did anyone else think that the sound of Walt's voice was dubbed? I bet his voice has changed so they dubbed it with someone else's. they sure didn't let the camera rest on him for long.

#262. Posted by: meg at May 25, 2007 11:10 AM

I think i will be haunted by Charlie's heart wrenching death scene until next January. I never thought a death could be so beautiful but wow, SAD AS HELL and for me, the most memorable and meanigful moment of the finale. Some will argue the Jack flash-forward, but I have a strong feeling that in the end, that reality will be somehow re-worked for Jack, he'll do something in the past so the outcome changes. Sawyer's in a very dark place and will be for a while. And I had a major "phew!!" moment wuntil we knew Jin, Bernie and Sayid were OK...Hurley really saved the day and it was funny, and awesome.

I will sorely miss Dom Monaghan from the cast and wish him nothing but good things. Farewell Merry!

Thanks for the great season of reviews Mac, it's a long way to January!

p.s. Nice shout out to the great Gregory House! "Summoning the rage of Dr. House, he pounds the pharmacy counter and leaves in a huff." nice. :)


And sorry Mac, but GO YANKEES...Have a great summer everybody!


#263. Posted by: Lauren at May 25, 2007 11:29 AM

Great review Mac!! I will miss reading them for the next eight months.

Like FenwayBen (#113) & many other posters, I had a hard time with the flash-forward because it totally lacked hope and although Jack has not always been my favorite character, it was hard to watch his future as a suicidal, drug-addicted alcoholic. I have always felt that in spite of his character flaws he has always tried to do what he genuinely felt was best for the group and to see his life turn out that way was sad.

Reading Mac’s review and the comments of so many of the posters has lifted my spirits a bit, I initially thought of Jack’s flash-forwards as where he would be at the end of the series, but perhaps not, there are three more seasons of potential flash-forwards, maybe the hope will come back.

As for my theories as to why Kate was not in jail and what was really going on with Jack I the future, who was in the casket, etc., I will hold off until I watch it another time or two.

For those of you looking for an up-close image of Jack's newspaper clipping, you can see a good image of it here:

tinyurl*com/2b75tc

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#264. Posted by: Christine at May 25, 2007 11:31 AM

@263 Marty

I have a thought try typing in english so people can understand you.

#265. Posted by: Matty Matt at May 25, 2007 11:33 AM

@ Matty Matt - Back off, that's how kids speak today! I think he's laffo's cousin..:)

#266. Posted by: meg at May 25, 2007 11:41 AM

I don't have much to add except that Jack wasn't driving a Jeep, he was driving a 1966-1977 Ford Bronco.

Great Reviews MAC!

#267. Posted by: Archie at May 25, 2007 11:42 AM

My take: The island is an anomaly that floats between alternate dimensional time lines. Which makes for a rough submarine ride to get there. Jack, Kate, and "dead in casket" made it off the island. They currently are living in a different time line than their original. Naomi and the rescue boat are from that alternate time line. They came for Desmond and had no clue the 815 survivors where there. In their world flight 815 was found with all dead, Jack's father is alive and as drunk as ever, Kate is not wanted dead or alive, and Ford Broncos are called Jeeps. Of course, Jack wants to go back and fix the mistake and Kate prefers to stay and not be a wanted felon again. Next season - Jack to the rescue of everybody left behind.

#268. Posted by: jst at May 25, 2007 12:01 PM

I'll be rewatching w/ pen and paper so I can blow all of your minds w/ my insightful commments...but till then....

Reflection in rear-view mirror: I initially thought it was not an older Jack, but it looked like Locke's eyes.

Kate's new hooded sweatshirt: She obviously requested to pay homage to her real-life boyfriend (Charlie) since he was about to be offed...that's what I suspected.

Black funeral home means black person in casket: That's a bold statement..don't buy it. But if I did, is it possible that it's Smokey in the casket...you know, cause it's 'black smoke'.

Can't wait for people to recognize my comment that the 'real life event' in this season was Red Sox winning World Series...not the tsunami.

#269. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 25, 2007 12:03 PM

I think that Pennys Dad (Widmore), knows about the islands location as well as Penny. And sent the boat:

1. To kill desmond ? ? ?
2. For the islands powers ?

#270. Posted by: UK Freddie at May 25, 2007 12:11 PM

@JST - Don't know if it's true, but I like that theory! Theories are all iffy, but at least yours adds up.

@lostisweird - Boone & Shannon were good characters? Ugh. Shannon was annoying. I will miss Charlie though.

@christine - thanks for the link.

#271. Posted by: R at May 25, 2007 12:17 PM

@263 marty said:

>here wats d story wit jak sayn go up and see if my father is more wasted dan i am ?? isnt his da dead like nd dat was supposed 2 b in the future ? any thoughts ??

Gee, mac, the blog has a text messaging interface now?

#272. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 25, 2007 12:18 PM

Fisrt off:
EAWTRA- Enough already with the ridiculous acronyms!

Also, the KRZR phone was a DEAD giveaway that we are not in 2004 anymore. The Saturn Ion almost hitting Jack and the flat screen in the waiting room were just fuel to that fire.

Next, does anyone else here think that the producers should put special guest stars who may spoil things jussst a bit in the end credits? The second I saw Malcolm David Kelley's name, I told my wife, "well we know Walt is showing up!" It is just not necessary to put the spoiler names there.

Finally, I think the casket might just be Locke's. Not sure why Jack would tell Kate "I'm sorry", but their conversation at the end of the show where Kate says "why would I want to go to the funeral- he wated to keep us there?"- it makes sense that she is referring to Locke whom Jack now (2007)realizes was right all along hence the regret and pills and the moping and the "i'm-still-living-on-that-island can't-you-tell-because-I-have-this castaway-beard.

Can't wait till an unbroken season of shows!

#273. Posted by: MikeDee at May 25, 2007 12:21 PM

@264 Lauren said:

>p.s. Nice shout out to the great Gregory House! "Summoning the rage of Dr. House, he pounds the pharmacy counter and leaves in a huff." nice. :)

Everyone is highly encouraged to follow the link behind House's name, and drop a few comments while you're there. Plenty of room, no waiting, easy to be FIRST! New review fresh today! We now resume your regular programming...

#274. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 25, 2007 12:23 PM

The Red Sox won the World Series?

#275. Posted by: Real Lost at May 25, 2007 12:29 PM

Jack's flash forward can't be Desmond's premonition because Desmond is not in it. It could be Jack's own premonition if Jack somehow got that ability.

#276. Posted by: cambridgegirl at May 25, 2007 12:32 PM

@279 cambridgegirl said:

>Jack's flash forward can't be Desmond's premonition because Desmond is not in it.

Unless it's *Desmond* in the coffin.
(Cue Twilight Zone Music)

#277. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 25, 2007 12:37 PM

@Cecil Rose - I love House, and I watch it religiously. I guess I don't have the time to fully devote to two blogs. Maybe this summer I will try.

#278. Posted by: meg at May 25, 2007 12:48 PM

I think Jacks comments at the end of the show raise the most intriguing questions.
1. "I'm sick of lying". Lying about what? Did they do something horrible to be rescued? Is Jack so miserable because he is living a lie? Is it possible they left people behind, but told rescuers they were the only ones left?
2. "We made a mistake!" Okay, mistake getting rescued? Mistake on how they got rescued?
3. Jack says they weren't supposed to leave. WHY? What was the purpose or mission in staying?
4. "We have to go back, Kate. We have to go back!" WHY??? What is left UNDONE, or what needs to be resolved?
It is obvious that whatever the answer to these questions are, they are eating away at Jack to the point of self destruction. What is he feeling so guilty about, or perhaps what is he guilty of? Last thought, all these questions need an answer, so it is obvious that at some point Jack and whoever else will go back to the island.
Two more observations.
1. Ben said if they made the phone call everyone on the island would die. We know this is not true because of the flash forwards.
2. Locke didn't shoot Jack, and walked away confused almost as if he knew the threat to shoot Jack would make Jack put the phone down. He even said it wasn't ssupposed to happen this way. How did Locke know what was supposed to happen?
That's all I got. Great work as always Mac. Enjoy the family this summer!

#279. Posted by: ross at May 25, 2007 12:49 PM

POSSIBLE SPOILER?

Never wrote in before but just reading all your guys comments I just thought of something. What if this is like "A Christmas Carol" and someone is showing Jack what his future will look like if he gets off the island. Maybe Jacob? (as in Jacob Marley?) What do you think?

#280. Posted by: Lori at May 25, 2007 12:51 PM

I think Jacks comments at the end of the show raise the most intriguing questions.
1. "I'm sick of lying". Lying about what? Did they do something horrible to be rescued? Is Jack so miserable because he is living a lie? Is it possible they left people behind, but told rescuers they were the only ones left?
2. "We made a mistake!" Okay, mistake getting rescued? Mistake on how they got rescued?
3. Jack says they weren't supposed to leave. WHY? What was the purpose or mission in staying?
4. "We have to go back, Kate. We have to go back!" WHY??? What is left UNDONE, or what needs to be resolved?
It is obvious that whatever the answer to these questions are, they are eating away at Jack to the point of self destruction. What is he feeling so guilty about, or perhaps what is he guilty of? Last thought, all these questions need an answer, so it is obvious that at some point Jack and whoever else will go back to the island.
Two more observations.
1. Ben said if they made the phone call everyone on the island would die. We know this is not true because of the flash forwards.
2. Locke didn't shoot Jack, and walked away confused almost as if he knew the threat to shoot Jack would make Jack put the phone down. He even said it wasn't ssupposed to happen this way. How did Locke know what was supposed to happen?
That's all I got. Great work as always Mac. Enjoy the family this summer!

#281. Posted by: ross at May 25, 2007 12:53 PM

@RNM/272 (Oh, wait, does that count as an acronym? WTF, ILA. ARF!)

I would like to give a little “recognition” where it’s due:

Reflection in rear-view mirror = Locke’s eyes (Hmm, something interesting to look for in my second screening of the finale this weekend)

Kate’s new hoody = homage to Dominic (Good call, I agree)

Black funeral home means black person in casket = bold statement, don’t buy it (Totally agree)

Smokey in the casket (Best guess I’ve heard so far. I personally choose not to speculate because we have very little to go on at this point. I’m content to leave that mystery to be resolved in the distant future.)

‘real life event’ in this season = Red Sox winning the World Series, not the tsunami (I’m not commenting on this because my memory is fuzzy. I thought the producers said something would happen on the island that would have global repercussions? Anyone remember what the actual statement was, and the source?)

#282. Posted by: Clementine at May 25, 2007 12:56 PM

Jack was upset when he read the obituary, suggesting he cared about the person at some level. However, absolutely no one came to the funeral, suggesting there weren't others who cared about the person. One possibility that I haven't seen mentioned is that in the future, bad things are happening to all of the rescued losties, not just Jack. So, it was a "no, not again" kind of sadness that Jack felt. Its been said that the person who died committed suicide--as Jack was about to before the accident,

#283. Posted by: ct at May 25, 2007 12:59 PM

@Lori. Interesting, that could be one aspect of it. Anything's possible on this show!

#284. Posted by: R at May 25, 2007 12:59 PM

GRAA, Mac. Found you at the end of S1; first time poster. A few thoughts after re-watching the great WTF finale. On Jack: I’m not convinced that he said “neither”. He may have said “either”. Watch him in slo-mo. He doesn’t seem to form the “n”. It’s something closed cap might not catch. On Kate: maybe Kate CAN’T go to the funeral for fear of being recognized. Perhaps she took on a new ID when rescued,possibly the ID of someone killed/left behind on the Island. Hmmm - could it be - Cindy??? (If Kate starts wearing a scarf, we’ll know for sure.) Yes, maybe that’s one of the things that Jack is tired of lying about. Also, I think the “he” she refers to is her love child with Sawyer. The Coffin: my bet is it’s someone we haven’t met yet. Or Sawyer. Unanswered questions: Will we ever learn about the real Henry Gale? And since the families of the Losties thought they were all dead, will we see more future flashes (like Jack’s) of what happens when the key characters try to assimilate back in? Is that what this is all about? You can never go back (ie be happy) - not home and not to the Island. Or maybe only some people can never go back. Maybe only those who found “redemption” will be happy. My brain hurts. But I can't wait for S4, and your reviews, Mac.

#285. Posted by: Lovelost at May 25, 2007 1:11 PM

A few people made references to the "answers" recap show. Could somebody confirm if it was said that "lost" has a past, present and future or if the "island" has a past, present and future.

Thanks

P.S. GRAA Mac

#286. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at May 25, 2007 1:24 PM

analysisparalysis:

re: "I personally could not read ANYthing on the obit; but it seems to be accepted here that someone named Jerry Bentham"

Could have been only because the authors like such connections. Google Jeremy Bentham and then Google Jeremy Bentham auto icon. Interesting reading.

I too thought of the Lost Horizon parallel but was unable to log in until just now after #272. The parallel is a rather strong one as well as some have mentioned.

I think all these sightings (black horse, Eko's Brother, Jack's Dad, Ben's Mom, Walt in various stages of development, are hallucinations brought on by some special terpenes being released by plants peculiar to just this island. The nature of the hallucination will depend on the peculiar psyche of the individual. Were this so, it would certainly be of great intrest to some outfit like Dharma seeking to bottle all that psychic energy.

I feel bad about Charlie but like some am hopeful although Desmond only saw Claire and Aaron being picked up by a helicopter, not that they were necessarily being rescued. Jack's flash forward does define the future arc of the story. Rescue does not necessarily bring restoration. I like the idea of Ben, the last hope of finding the island, in the coffin, but if so, how did he get there. I too thought it looked like a small coffin. Heaven forbid, Juliet? This is month 5, Lost returns in month 14, that makes for a 9 month gestation.

Thanks to Mac for enhancing the Lost experience.

#287. Posted by: August Paul at May 25, 2007 1:34 PM

Could it be Kate's 'black horse' in the casket? Why's it always gotta be a black/white thang? Wazzupwitdat??

#288. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 25, 2007 1:35 PM

From the get-go I had an inkling it was a future flash - i said so much to my watching partner. I think it was his wife's pregnancy - or it was Jack's demeanor. Everything seemed a little off.

But still - the big reveal shocked me and confirmed to me that this is the most intelligently written show in years, maybe ever. To have a seismic shift like this is to take a huge risk, and in my mind it has paid off. It raises more questions to me - supernatural? real? fake? good guys? bad guys?

Wowsa!

#289. Posted by: MeMeMe at May 25, 2007 1:59 PM

Okay I just looked it up (shame on me for not remembering) - Ben's last name is Linus. Interestingly enough, Linus was a strong Greek mythological character who was supposed to be the best musician. I remember one of the girls in the LG saying that the code was programmed by a musician.

#290. Posted by: Linda at May 25, 2007 2:07 PM

I really really hope they don't leave us hanging on this future Jack & Kate storyline until the final season. They need to revisit this future SOON and give us some answers to the questions it produced sooner than in 2010!

#291. Posted by: JoePike at May 25, 2007 2:19 PM

pinkisthenewblog.com is posting that Hoffs-Drawler (the funeral home) is an acronym for "Flash Forward." nifty, eh?

#292. Posted by: nikki c at May 25, 2007 2:39 PM

@281 meg said:

>@Cecil Rose - I love House, and I watch it religiously. I guess I don't have the time to fully devote to two blogs. Maybe this summer I will try.

Well, at least with mine you won't have all the comments to wade through, just the scintillating reviews. Maybe someday. - wistful sigh -

#293. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 25, 2007 2:42 PM

Re: Sillygirl0630 newspaper revelations

Put my vote for the body in the coffin being Michael for these reasons stated all before:

1. Survived by a teenage son
2. Black funeral home (not conclusive but lend credence)
3. Jack asking whether Kate went to the funeral and Kate being disgusted makes sense - Michael was an old friend who did something unforgiveable
4. Lastly, think about the Lost Horizon novel angle of Jack trying to get back to island that has been proposed. The person who has been away from the island the longest is Michael (and son) who has already committed suicide. Jack is on the edge of suicide already. Seeing that Michael has topped himself can't have helped.

#294. Posted by: scoopdownunder at May 25, 2007 2:57 PM

CRLTOH = Cecil Rose Loves Tooting Own Horn

I'm kinda wishing I watched House now but ever since I found out that dude's American accent/voice is fake, I ran for the hills! Or even scarier....HIC = House In Casket? I know his accent is fake, but if his skin is fake...black anyone? Totally makes sense.

#295. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 25, 2007 2:58 PM

Don't worry Cecil - I'll come read your House review. But ultimately, what's there to say about House? He's the a**hole you love to hate and hate to love. They solve the mystery disease each epi. Not like LOST that takes you YEARS to figure out.
Don't worry CR, I'll be there in a little bit.

#296. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 25, 2007 3:00 PM

Future Jack sent the search party and Naomi to 'rediscover' the island. Jack is the person that Jack spoke with over the sat phone. Jack is the rescue party!

Everything is so......blue!!!

#297. Posted by: Len at May 25, 2007 3:06 PM

I think something interesting was left out of the flash forward from Jack's perspective.... Where was Juliet? Does this mean she either dies or betrays them? hmm....

#298. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 25, 2007 3:20 PM

#122 Paige said:

>In the first scene when they are all walking DOWN the beach, the water is to their right.

>The next scene they are walking UP the beach with the water to their left.

Isn't Jack from Boston? Where "you can't get there from here" you have to "go there first to get to there."

#299. Posted by: rinz at May 25, 2007 3:24 PM

Wow! That took forever to read through all the posts, so my comments are reaching back a bit.

First of all, LOVED the episode! Was totally slack-jawed with shock in the final moments. I knew something was off with Jack's "backflashes" - I kept trying to place when they could be before the crash and, obviously, couldn't.

@42 @ 67 et al

As far as Jack's scenes interacting in the hospital. We didn't actually see him 'work' in the hospital in these flashes. He says he wants to do the surgery and the new Chief of Surgery (which is what Jack's dad was before he died, wasn't he?) puts him off. He seems to be handling Jack gently and ignores Jack's comment about his dad.

And then the pharmacist also seems to be handling Jack gently, like she's dealt with him in this state before. Maybe she wasn't picking up the phone to 'confirm' the prescription, but to call security or Dr Chief of Surgery to intervene.

Here's my thought. Maybe Jack's kind of lost his mind a bit; he doesn't actually work at the hospital anymore, but they know him from when he did and from treating him after his rescue/descent into despair/alcoholism etc. So they're all trying to 'handle' him and help him. Maybe he gets confused about/forgets Dad's dead, he doesn't work there anymore, etc. I do have to say at least they gave Matthew Fox some better scenes to act.

@51 Marie - That's a good thought. Any musician's to take this challenge up?

@252 Chudan Best theory on coffin inhabitant I've seen yet.

Loved the episode. Hurley - fantastic! Charlie - so sad, great acting. Can't wait to see where the writers take it next season!

#300. Posted by: Kristine at May 25, 2007 3:32 PM

#91-Deep Cover
Wonderfully written post about enjoying the story arc set up by the writers regarding Charlie's noble death. I encourage everyone to scroll back and re-read this post!

"Why can't he fit through the porthole? "Why didn't he just close up the door from the outside?" Why didn't he take his scuba gear in with him?" "Desmond should swim around to the open porthole and save him!"

These are just all of our natural reactions to losing a character on the show that we care about. I seem to remember a bunch of moaning and gnashing of teeth when ol' Smokey took out Mr. Eko. Enjoy the beginning-middle-and-noble-end of a beautifully drawn character. God knows we don't get to experience that very often in today's world of American Idol and Dancing With the Stars!

I seem to remember someone on this site posting about Charlie's confession to Sun about the attempted kidnapping plot. Something about how his confession and request for forgiveness was the first step in the redemption of his character. Charlie accepted his "F-A-T-E", as spelled out on his finger tape, and laid down his life for his friends and his love.

Nice catch on the "Star Trek 2" parallel, too!

#301. Posted by: Wade at May 25, 2007 3:34 PM

I could be wrong about this but when Desmond and Penny take "the" picture on the street - isn't that the only copy and Desmond keeps it? How the heck does Naomi have a copy?

#302. Posted by: ncc at May 25, 2007 3:55 PM

@ ncc/#308: Maybe with all the alternate timeline theories out there somebody figured out how to make a copy of a photo in one of them....come on, really, it's fairly obvious to surmise that Widmore got a copy off his daughters dresser...or it was Smokey.

#303. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 25, 2007 4:11 PM

@ MikeDee

I wholeheartedly agree with you about putting Malcom David Kelly's name on the opening credits. I think they even peppered it with a "Special Guest Star" tag to draw even more attention to it. I instantly knew Walt was showing up and would have rather been surprised.

I avoid spoilers and loved the future flash revelation. What I don't need is the producers ramming a spoiler down my throat at the beginning of the episode!

#304. Posted by: Razzle Dazzle at May 25, 2007 4:13 PM

GRAAM!
Okay, everyone’s pretty much covered all the WTF and OMG moments from this amazing episode. Last thing that I said to myself at the end was “the writers are brilliant!” Then, as ‘bad robot’ did his thing, I made a toast to all of you. (sniff)

I stopped reading any spoilers about a week ago and I’m so glad I did. Totally didn’t see the end coming – incredible. That’s when I realized that earlier Jack had implied his father was still alive. I thought, ooookaaaay, so if Jack’s father is alive in the future, then perhaps when they were rescued they were also deposited back in time to have the opportunity to correct or redeem themselves from past mistakes. (Hang in there with me…) Someone posted this same theory above, but I wrote this last night, just haven't had time to post yet. Here goes.

We only got to see Jack and Kate's "future flash" and I can only speculate about the others (not the Other others, but the others from the plane). What if Jack is so depressed now because he didn’t rat on his father this time, therefore, his father is still practicing medicine. His father didn’t drink himself to death this time because Jack didn’t turn him in. Now Jack must deal with this, plus what he went through on the island, etc.

Kate isn’t in jail. Why? Because maybe she didn’t kill her stepfather/father this time. Maybe the one she has to go back to at the end is him and her Mother. Maybe he’s the one in the coffin and died naturally this time?

I would imagine that if Hurley had it all to do over again he either wouldn’t have played the numbers in the lottery, therefore not winning and starting a “bad luck” path. His grandfather is still alive, his Mom may be poor, but she’s happy and not in a burned out mansion. Etc.

Sawyer – what if he quit being a con artist and married his preggers girlfriend. See where I’m going here? I mean this opens up a big ole can of confusing worms here people. I LOVE IT!

Charlie’s death was beautiful and what a great acting job. Did anyone notice as he was dying he was floating back towards the port hole and as he was doing the Catholic ‘Father, Son, Holy Ghost’ cross across his chest the port hole appeared to be like a hallo? Gave me the chills… Got to hand it to Charlie, he was like the Energizer Bunny – took a lickin and kept on tickin. Oh wait, that’s Timex… Meant to say maybe Charlie is the Energizer Bunny and keeps going and going and going…

Bernard – WTF? I know Rose made you say “I am a dentist, I am not Rambo” but dammmm. You totally told them the truth and exactly all the details of where your people (and wife) were going. Why didn’t you throw them off and tell them anything but the truth. “They went to the medical hatch” or “They went camping.” (worked for Desmond) I just didn’t get it. Very disappointed in Bernard.

Killed:
Sayid, Jin, Bernard = NOT
Patchy = twice in one episode? DIE pleeeesse!
Charlie = sorry, but had to happen. It was a beautiful thing you did. People keep debating, why didn’t you save yourself and close the hatch from the outside where Desmond was. The answer is simple and I get it… you had to die. And, you had to save Desmond. Couldn’t risk the chance of the whole station going down when THAT EVIL GUY THAT SEEMS TO NEVER DIE showed the hand grenade. Way to go out Charlie. Heroism in its truest form.
Tom = sorry to see you go. I think you were my favorite Other - but you had it coming (disappointed in how Sawyer did it though – too cold.)
9 others in Tom’s raid party = blown to bits or shot. (Jin was right on with his shooting, even if he missed the dynamite.)
Naomi – double crossing beeotch. Glad John got to target practice on your back.
The two LG Charlie torturers.
That totals 16 dead in one epi. Wow.

More stuff people have touched on:
Ben told Richard to take everyone to the temple. Definitely raised an eyebrow here. “Temple of Doom?” Temple of the Lost City of Atlantis? WTF? – definitely gonna see some 4-toed-ness here.

Notice the “Moses” comment from Naomi? Notice there were 40 people in the losties party? Well, Moses and his people travel the desert 40 years. Noah also experiences 40 days and nights of rain. The number 40 seems significant here. And once again a Bible reference.

The Looking Glass – Desmond used the anchor line to pull himself down! Yes! Exactly what I would do. From the looks of the depth, it was 70 feet – not 70 meters. Somebody messed up on the charts. At 70 meters it would be extremely dark and there’s no way we could have seem the lights of the LG from the surface. Glad to see the SCUBA gear come into play. Explains a lot.

Juliet and Jack kissed – boooooo.

Haven’t noticed anyone mentioning that Ben told Alex he didn’t want Carl to get her pregnant. That seemed pretty significant.

#122 Paige said:

>In the first scene when they are all walking DOWN the beach, the water is to their right.

>The next scene they are walking UP the beach with the water to their left.

This is from the camera angle. When they are walking DOWN the beach we are looking at their backs. When they are walking UP the beach we are looking at their fronts. Therefore, the water is on the same side. Think of it this way. If you are facing the ocean, turn left and take a picture. The water is on your right. Now turn right and take a picture. The water is on your left. Make sense now?

I think it's Michael in the box. Makes sense to me anyway according to all the posts.

That's all I got. I'll definately hang out here this summer to see if mac puts up some caption fun. (pleeessse?)

I’m also very glad to report that no bunnies were harmed in the making of the season finale. Hurrah!

#305. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 25, 2007 4:39 PM

first off, great review Mac!

I've read through a lot of reviews and i didn't see the issue of Richard brought up yet. From my recollections, Richard is the only character that has been on the island, left the island (to recruit Juliette), and come back to the island. not to mention that he hasn't seemed to age since he met Ben as a child. i'd be very interested to know more about his past. Also, in the finale, with Ben gone, he seems to be the leader of the remaining others, which still have a decent population. I'm very intrigued to find out about this "temple" they are going to. i think Richard will be even more of a main character in next season's events.

#306. Posted by: roberto55 at May 25, 2007 4:42 PM

I've been with this forum for over two years and it is definetly the best. HOWEVER, I've noticed a lot more people slipping in acronyms for profanity. That's not very classy and not worthy of the quality of this forum. It would be nice if everyone was a little more considerate and not so profane. Is that too much to ask?

Thanks!

#307. Posted by: lost_lifer at May 25, 2007 5:19 PM

@308/ncc

Des has a copy on the island. At the end of Season 2, when Penny is woken with a phone call in the middle of the night, we see she has a copy on her nightstand. So there are at least two copies out there, at first we all assumed Penny gave Naomi a copy of it to recognize Des. Maybe someone else (her father? He could get his hands on Penny's copy) did instead.

And to whomever asked, yes the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004, and will again in 2007!

#308. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 25, 2007 5:26 PM

@Diveshaft - dude, what a great handle, I really like it ... "Diveshaft."

@drew, #212 - oh my goodness, that would really be something. Let's hope that isn't true.


@Sean, #223 - what a keen observation. I'd have never thought of that in a million years. I wonder if it was done intentionally.


@I Saved Everybody!, #236 - wow, another great handle. You guys are amazing.


@dwasd - MHMBAH - meg has my back (you figure out the "ah")


@meg - I never thought of Rose being in the coffin. I was thinking more of Ben or Locke (leaning toward Locke), but now I have to reconsider - Rose is definitely a viable candidate for the box. Wow, good thinking!


@marty , #263 - here wats d story wit jak sayn go up and see if my father is more wasted dan i am ?? isnt his da dead like nd dat was supposed 2 b in the future ? any thoughts ??

noe martee, i dun hab eny toughts on dat subjek ;>)

#MikeDee, #276 - EAWTRA- Enough already with the ridiculous acronyms!

Yeah Mike, right! That was a brilliant way to let us know that you are not fond of acronyms. BY the way, we devoted an entire POST a while back to acronyms - hmmmm, maybe some people like them, huh?

@BunnyLover, #311 - That's all I got. I'll definitely hang out here this summer to see if mac puts up some caption fun. (pleeessse?)

I'll volunteer one article, a crazy sort of thing like the Smokey Back Story.

#mac - should I just send it to you when I am done? It may take 2 or 3 weeks, as I am very busy right now.

omdc - oh my darling, Clementine
mif

etc (one we may have heard of before - it means "et cetera" ;>)


#309. Posted by: ButchM at May 25, 2007 5:42 PM

I have only gotten to #37, so sorry if this is addressed later on.

I think that Naomi must be from Dharma. Ben is the king of withholding information. He probably does know exactly where she came from by now.

Does anyone else want to know more about the Hostles? I am kind of bummed that we don't know any more about them yet.

GRAA Mac!

#310. Posted by: wendy at May 25, 2007 5:43 PM

Ok one more thought.....what about the person in the coffin being James Ford? Maybe his middle name begins with a C or something since everyone is speculating about the obit name starting with a J ?

#311. Posted by: wendy at May 25, 2007 5:56 PM

BunnyLover said:
"Haven’t noticed anyone mentioning that Ben told Alex he didn’t want Carl to get her pregnant. That seemed pretty significant."

Loved that scene. When the writers throw out a rare human moment from Ben, it makes the character even more fascinating to me.

My other thought: Holy Super Sperm! Seems like this goes beyond an elevated number of "swimmers." The Others have access to all the amenities of the modern world which would include birth control/condoms. Alex witnessed women dying from pregnancy. She seems like a smart girl, so I doubt Ben was worried she wouldn't use protection. So, and I know I'm making a leap here, that means any/all forms of birth control are ineffective and sex always results in pregnancy.

How does that fit with the Juliet/Goodwin affair?

And are the Others maintaining complete celibacy (other than Juliet's experimental pregnant women who died)?

Also, it gives Tom's statement to Kate "You're not my type" a whole other spin.

And how were those brainwashing images supposed to keep Karl from being interested in sex? I went to Lostpedia to remember the exact nature of the images:
•Sayings…resemble Buddhist precepts such as the Four Noble Truths
•The phrase "Plant a good seed and you will joyfully gather fruit"
•close-ups of dolls, fish and women's eyes

But it did give me a laugh to be reminded how Sawyer was entranced by the slide-show, and Kate had to snap him out of it! LOL!

#312. Posted by: Clementine at May 25, 2007 5:58 PM

@245 petew

Wow, I think I gotta go burn one after that...

#313. Posted by: Id_Monster at May 25, 2007 5:59 PM

Ahh, yeah, that did the trick. Am I first?

#314. Posted by: Id_Monster at May 25, 2007 6:01 PM

@ 250 & 251

the source for the translation of the obituary is lost easter eggs (Mac, can I put the link on this blog?)

I swear I didn't just make it up! LOL!

#315. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at May 25, 2007 6:08 PM

Actually, the ocean is to the right of our characters when they are walking away from the camera and to the left when they are approaching the camera. I don't think it's a big deal but just wanted to clear it up.

#316. Posted by: Kyle at May 25, 2007 6:10 PM

@311 BunnyLover said:

>>#122 Paige said:

>>In the first scene when they are all walking DOWN the beach, the water is to their right.

>>The next scene they are walking UP the beach with the water to their left.

>This is from the camera angle. When they are walking DOWN the beach we are looking at their backs. When they are walking UP the beach we are looking at their fronts. Therefore, the water is on the same side. Think of it this way. If you are facing the ocean, turn left and take a picture. The water is on your right. Now turn right and take a picture. The water is on your left. Make sense now?

Sorry, does not compute. In the scene where they depart camp, they are walking away from the camera, backs to us, the ocean on their, and our, RIGHT.

In the scene where Naomi demonstrates the phone to Jack, the Losties are walking toward the camera. The ocean is still to our (the camera's) RIGHT, but to the walking Losties, the ocean is on their LEFT. They've reversed direction somewhere.

#317. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 25, 2007 6:20 PM

Regarding John. I am kicking myself for hoping last week that John would be resurrected. What was I thinking? Once again he showed his true colors -- selfish, arrogant, no personality or charisma, trying to force his beliefs on everyone else. In the end, he really does not care about anyone else, just like Ben (maybe that’s the point). If John does not want to leave the island, he should follow his own path and stop blocking everyone else’s options. Let them discover their own karma. He could pair up with Rousseau and live in a cave or in one of the hatches that he has not blown up yet. Why the island favors John is the biggest mystery of all. I felt bad about his predicament because no one should end up in a ditch being bested by Ben, so I wanted him to survive so he could get the best of Ben. But then he knifes a woman in the back just to make her drop the phone! Come'on. No one at the tower had reason to think Naomi was lying, so why not just disable her by targeting an arm or leg? If she died, was this John's first direct kill? I'm not counting Boone or daddy who both died because of John's directives although not by his hands.

As for Naomi. Someone said earlier that Naomi's wound may not have been fatal. I hope not, because Sayid could easily make her open up about her ship after Des tells the Losties “not Penny’s boat.” But if Naomi survives I still won’t like John. And if she was bad and deserved to die and in fact died, I still won’t like John or think he did a good thing.

Ah, Charlie. I sincerely hope Charlie’s noble act was the right course (thus saving Claire & Aaron), and that we don’t learn he was foolish for ending his life based on the assumed validity of a Desmonition which turns out to be bogus.

Um, Penny. Her sudden appearance on the incoming message screen, and brief conversation with Charlie live in real time, caused the big question mark this week for me. I’m starting to think she is baaaad. But if she is bad, then Naomi may be good. Makes my head hurt.

Bad Patchy. Yeah, he is a real snake and appears to be unkillable. If he lives he will only have one arm. Next to go will be a leg.

@ 167 & 183 (mapache) - re. your comments on the intelligence of some posters on this blog. You might try to relax and have a little fun.

@195 (dwasd) re. your suggestions that posters need to (1) only post good questions or theories, and (2) stop complaining. Please help me find a good theory or "non-complaining" statement in your post. Maybe you can follow the advice of @195, "why even bother to come here and complain . . . " Oops, that's your quote. Sorry.

Finally, but most importantly, Mac, I regret that I only found this site a few months ago, but better late than never. Your recaps are witty and clever and awesome. They make the entire Lost experience more enjoyable. Thank you very much for making this blog available to us.

#318. Posted by: leegull at May 25, 2007 6:21 PM

Yeah butchM you must be REAL busy, judging from the number of your posts, double posts, and replies on this forum. Are you writing the 'Big Book of Acronyms'? Why don't you and meg and clem go watch "House" at Cecil's.

#319. Posted by: dwasdAH at May 25, 2007 6:25 PM

I've stumbled upon a couple of good “theories” at www.lostreview.com.

1) A note about Jeremy Bentham and his design for a prison called a “Panopticon” - the draftman’s drawing of which resembles the Dharma Insigia.

2) Plus several posts down the page is a HD screenshot of the newspaper Obit.

#320. Posted by: davidrh at May 25, 2007 6:30 PM

@Everybody:

Just read Cecil Rose's House recap and would like to recommend it, not only to House fans, but if you fancy yourself an amateur diagnostician like me :) You can read about the wacky diseases without even having to watch that obnoxious House guy!

And it's well-written, but I would expect nothing less, considering Cecil Rose's thoughtful responses on this blog.

#321. Posted by: Clementine at May 25, 2007 7:40 PM

I have a few questions as I look back at the series as a whole and this past season...

1) Didn't Rose want to stay on the island because her cancer was non existant and now she wants off and allows her hubby to be one of the shooters. whats up with that??? i thought her and john were to form a commune.

2) what happened to the sherriff, played by the woman who was in the movie mommie dearest. she was in one episode and now no more.

3) with regard to the tsunami...did anyone notice how the water was starting to get a bit rough. and when hurley finished with the walkie talking to claire that he looked at the ocean and kind of made a concerned face and then they show the ocean right away.

I know that these are kind of lame posts, but you all covered every other topic, these are just some random things i have been thinking about...

any thoughts guys???

#322. Posted by: Dana at May 25, 2007 7:49 PM

@Dana/328:

I was also wondering about the "sheriff" (was her name Isabel?) Maybe she'll turn up at the Temple where Alpert and the other Others are going.

When Hurley looked out at the water, I thought it was after telling Claire that Charlie wasn't back yet. I think his concerned face was for Charlie.

#323. Posted by: Clementine at May 25, 2007 8:01 PM

Based on the fact that Jack is miserable and on the brink of insanity after returning home. I'm wondering if anyone else already believes this notion of LOST, as the title, describing the castaways' lives in general. Not the intended notion of being lost on an island??? I think its self-evident, but I dunno lol.

#324. Posted by: Ross at May 25, 2007 9:01 PM

wat the **** happened i havent seen the episode and i didnt take your advise wat the HELL!!!was i thinking i think i just pissed mi self!

#325. Posted by: lost fan at May 25, 2007 9:51 PM

After seeing the future flash, my first thought was Locke's comment to Boone - "is that what it made you see?" Maybe it's all a confusing dream Jack has because he is still conflicted as to who to believe. It's like Ben says "what do you have to go back to." Each one of those flash forwards represents something on the island, pregnant women, lack of drugs/medicine, maps, a coffin, the lies and deceit and most of all not being able to move forward with Kate because of Sawyer. If they are rescued, he will definitely lose Kate. His whole life has been spent trying to rescue people. Maybe this is why Jack has been sent to the island. It's time to stop being the hero. And, can anyone determine if he was in seat 23C on the plane?

#326. Posted by: peb at May 25, 2007 9:53 PM

@323/Cecil - Sorry if I messed the direction up. Did it by memory. I'll go take another look & see WTF I was thinking.
Oh, sorry about the profanity slip there lost_lifer. I actually agree with you, but using acronyms is a heck of a lot better than using the words. When I type WTF, I really mean "what the freak" if that helps any. And OMG is "oh my goodness." By-the-way, this is one of the cleanest sites I've read and the only one I post to. (Except for House now...)
Thanks mac, for your wonderful moderation.
WTFWIT ... What the freak was I thinking? Oh NoooooOOOOO more acronyms!!!!! (Mr. Bill voice)

#327. Posted by: BunnLover at May 25, 2007 10:19 PM

Oh shoot... that was supposed to be "BunnyLover" not "BunnLover" although I do enjoy hamburgers and hotdogs... and Brad Pitts'.

Notice I said "shoot" not that other word. Thanks for making me more conscience lost_lifer.

#328. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 25, 2007 10:23 PM

Ok..here we go...obviously most of the goods have been touched on...so here's my pen & paper rewatch review:

-The Desmonition was described by Desmond (is that a double negative?) as Charlie flipping a switch....he never actually flipped a switch. He only entered in the Good Vibrations code. Does this mean he won't die?

-When the Others are about to raid the tents, I believe most of the Others have guns....but the only female there - Diane - has an immunization gun. Again, wazzupwitdat?

-Right after Ben and Alex have rested while hiking to head-off the Losties, Alex questions him as to why he just won't let them leave, she refers to him as 'Ben' for the first time in the show...I believe she's called him dad before.

-Ben says to Jack, "If you make that call, every single LIVING person on this island will be killed." Any significance to the fact that he said LIVING? Interesting...

-Why didn't anyone notice that Hurley had left the hike to go help Sawyer and Jules? He'd be hard to miss (that was a mean comment like Charlie and Sawyer...pile it on!).

-Naomi's instructions to Jack on how to operate the satellite phone - push 2 buttons. When she makes the connection - pushed like 7 buttons. Writers inconsistency, or liar-liar-back-on-fire-from-large-serated-knife?

More Tidbits:
When Jack's ex-wife comes to the hospital as the emergency contact, the poster on the door behind her says 'Acido Folico'. Now I only speak english, but a quick google came up with info about 'Pregnancy & Folic Acid'. Very interesting reading. May contribute to the island preggers thingy. And why would that poster/advertisement be on the door of a stitch-people-up-room?

Pascal Flats is where Ben, Richard and the rest of the temple-roamers start from so Ben can cut them off. Blaise Pascal is another philosopher dude and after another google, here's the quote I'm pasting:
"For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either. The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret. He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed." Coooooooooooooool!

Charlie Pace anagram = Clair Pace Eh

Rousseau's distress signal played, accompanied by numbers as well. They are: 17550445

Mrs. Arlen is the lady in the car accident that Jack saved and wants to operate on. Arlen anagram = Learn

Lastly:
Dr. Rob Hamill, chief of surgery, says that the operation on Mrs. Arlen will be performed by Dr. Gary Nadler. Guess who has the same last name..........Rose and Bernard Nadler. Spooooooooky.

Lot of it's waaaay random, but who cares. lost_lifer needs to get a lifer...the reason people use 'anagram-curse-words' is to avoid actually using the curse words....hence clean.

On a positive note, I had dinner and a movie w/ Cindy tonight. We watched Castaway, she thought it would be nostalgic. She says hi. Pretty good kisser. And btw....the carpet matches the scarf! HA!

#329. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 25, 2007 11:21 PM

Why can't you guys just face it? Jack just turns out to be a pathetic guy after some sort of incident. We dont know whats that, and we also dont know if that happens "AFTER" or "BEFORE" the 815 plane crash.

Golden pass? Knowing Kate? How about the prescription from Jack's suppose to be dead father? I mean what other evidences that make most of you think that those are flash forwards?

Cant Jack knew Kate for long but the plane crash made them "Lost" their (and so as every survivors) memories?

#330. Posted by: Random reader at May 25, 2007 11:44 PM

For all of the people wrapped up in Jacks reference to his father, please remember that just a minute previous, he was loading up on Hill-Billy heroin and stumbling around the hospital. He was obviously in an altered state, so, NO, his father did not miraculously return from the dead. Jack is just having some serious issues due to his use of alcohol with oxycodone chasers.

#331. Posted by: HurleysSweatRings at May 26, 2007 12:23 AM

Okay. . . nothing like a little "woo hoo it's summer" booze to loosen up the keyboards, apparently.
-Charlie is dead, and that's ok.
-It was a flash forward.
-Some well known acronyms (like WTF, btw, fwiw) are useful and if it is vulgar, an improvement over the actual words. "GRAA" is a good one here, but most made up ones are just silly. [And some, like "etc." are actually abbreviations, not acronyms.]
-Personal attacks, unless they are really funny, are kind of a waste of everybody else's time, as are irrelevant discussions of other shows, and of the poster's own blogs about other shows.

I love this show, and the fact that it generates this sort of interest. Mac, I have looked around this big Net of ours and this is easily the best Lost blog, and the best forum. Keep up the good work. Most posters, excellent insight and ideas. Everyone, have a good Summer!

#332. Posted by: JT at May 26, 2007 12:30 AM

@323/Cecil and 333/me:
I do believe you're right oh Cecil-wan-ben-obi. The ocean is on the right both times. Either A) oversite by production team B) the path to the radio tower made a few turns (like when you're hiking up a mountain) C)the island curved somewhere - cause they were hiking quite a distance and nobody knows how many miles wide or long it is. I personally have traversed the island of Key West a couple of times. Only 2 miles wide and 4 miles long if memory serves. I know the bartenders did. Wound up with the sun setting in several directions.
In any case, I stand corrected, though I'm not sure why and I'm actually sitting.

#333. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 26, 2007 12:51 AM

Just for yucks (what are those anyway?) here is a compilation of teasers/statements/***SPOILERS***/comments that I could find regarding next season. Or, in some cases, beyond. This is stuff that the producers have said in ABC podcasts or in media interviews.

So, here are some things we have to look forward to.........STOP HERE if you don't want to know!

- Smokey will not be explained till the end of the series.

- The four-toed statue is very important and will be adressed in S-4.

- They will be revisiting the psychic's prediction for Claire. No reference as to when, though.

- The Others' obsession with kids and pregnancy goes beyond the inability to bear children on the island. They are interested in children w/ special abilities.

- There is a "great deal" left to be told about the Kate/Sawyer relatioship (per Kristin on E!, not directly from the producers).

- Christian Shepherd is dead! They were emphatic about this one.

- Christmas will be celebrated in S-4 (note: they didn't say "celebrated on the island" just "celebrated")

- Rousseau will get a flashback, possibly explaining Montand and his arm.

- Rose and Bernard have an "awesome" storyline coming up. (Note: this was from back on 3/30, so maybe the storyline was what happened in the finale?)

- Harold Perrineau / Michael is in negotiations for a return in S-4. (Note: this from People mag. so don't take it as gospel)

- Libby's story is a mystery that will be answered in S-4. They will address the question how did she get from giving Des her boat to a mental institution? They (the producers) know the answer and will tell it via another character's flashback. According to E!, this character is "not among the beach dwellers."

- The Walt/Michael story is likely year 4. We will find out what happened to them after they boarded the boat. When the prodcuers return to this story it will be "very compelling" and will unfold in the overall mythology of the show via a long, planned approach.

- Eko might be back and it might not necessarily be in a flasback.

- We will learn: why Libby was in an asylum and why the island has healing powers.

- We'll start to learn Libby's moves via flashbacks over the course of S-4. We(the producers) have a master plan for telling this story ...all posthumous.

- A story coming about the wrecked research vessel is probably in S-4.

Well. Lots of food for thught. And, in the spirit of anlyzing the past to shed light on the future, I hope this helps all you fellow Losties over the next, long nine months. Ugh.At least it is a teeny, tiny "something" to look forward to! Cheers!

#334. Posted by: GatorGal at May 26, 2007 12:57 AM

I truly hope that the upcoming statement is being directed to a woman.......

GatorGal....I love you!

I see nothing wrong w/ your *spoilers* at this moment in 'time'. The majority of the comments are what we all suspect will occur in the future....cause we f'n need it (re: f'n...ECL = Eat Crow lost_lifer)(was that funny enough JT?..I think so)! But any reveal that shows a potential 'series timeline' is coolio w/ me. Plus...there is no chance I will remember anything I just read cause I'm completely hammered...I mean tired.

Also, I wished for a minimum of 2 WTF moments in the season finale....I was pleasantly surprised that I received a healthy dose of 11!! (no chance that's accurate but 11 is my favorite number and again....ripped!)

@ All Potential Off-Season Creative Article/Question/Offspin Posters: I'd love to have a musician (preferably not the one who programmed the de-activation code in the Looking Glass) write a song about LOST. Maybe something like what Charlie was 'coming-up with' while tied up in the LG. Or a Hurley inspired song. Or whatever comes to mind.

Man I have great ideas!!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaand, cue passout.

#335. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 26, 2007 2:23 AM

I know that there is a lot of misinformation on Lost, but you gotta take certain things at face value. We know that the plane crashed in September, 2004. This has been confirmed over and over again. The newspaper Jack reads on the plane is from April 2007. So if the whole meeting with Kate and telling her he needs to go back to the Island isn't enough to convince you, the date on the paper (and the newish KRAZRs) should. IT WAS A FUTURE FLASH. Oh yeah, they even gave us an anagram at the Funeral Parlor (did anyone notice that? Was there a picture of an old aldy on the table next to the coffin?)

I love that Alex is now calling "dad" just "Ben" now, and instantly took to her mom, bonding through bondage (of afforementioned ex-dad). Does anyone STILL this Russeau is Annie?

I liked that the producers showed restrained, it took about an hour before we got a close up of Locke's eye. I want to know what happened between him and "Walt", how did he go from about to shoot his brains out to knifing a stranger in the back?

Maybe the gun wasn't loaded. Remeber in "the Brig" he tells Sawyer he wouldn;t have used the knife on him if the gun was loaded? Same thing here, except, oops! He shot at the ground near the gun and we actually saw bullets in it while he was still in the ditch. So why doesn't he shoot Naomi? Is he just more accurate with knives? Will anyone on the island ever want to talk to him again?

Are we ever gonna find out what Cindy's deal is? RNM, you have an in with her, pump her for some information!

How many days is Juliet gonna be stuck with a drunk, angry Sawyer, Super Hurley, Legs of Steel, Jin (whose English makes him a less than ideal conversation partner) and the wimpy Dentist? As our good friend Dr House might say, H E Double Hockey Sticks is other people...

I do have one question...Ben's diary. Who has it right now? If it's in his bag, would make for some interesting reading for our Losties...

#336. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 26, 2007 2:54 AM

@342 FenwayBen

The picture is of an old _lady_ not an old _aldy_, whatever that is.

the _restrained_ producers showed _restraint_. And yes, there were a lot of restraints this episode, look at how many characters got tied up!

And Locke shot the ground near the _phone_ not near the _gun_.

Man, you need some more sleep!

#337. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 26, 2007 4:05 AM

Am surprised more people aren't talking about what that runway was suppose to be for considering when slave-labor r' us was installing it they were on the other island (aka: bear cage island). Why start on a runway and then turn around and pack the outriggers and leave. Didn't that Seahag-looking sheriff chick stay on that island though when Jack and the rest left?

Not enough chat-smack going on either as it pertains to that temple. The fact Ben had to break out the go-back-to-school utensils and plot a course for it on a map infers he hasn't been there yet (after all, he didn't have to hook up the GPS to find Jacob's bachelor pad). Richard was an island native and yet he's hardly been the bloodhound in leading Ben on this trek to the temple...so whose crib is that exactly?

Moreover, when Ben let Michael and Walt go last year didn't he tell Michael to head at course blah, blah, blah and they'd come to a ship? Naomi's ship? And how'd her whirlie-bird bite-it anyhow?

Later fellow dudes/dudettes.

#338. Posted by: General Nicholas Alexander at May 26, 2007 4:27 AM

Friggin' knew there had to be something to the name of the funeral parlor-- Hoffs/Drawlar. Check it out, it's an anagram for 'Flashforward.'

#339. Posted by: Kendall at May 26, 2007 5:01 AM

Ah Gen Alexander, we meet at last!

Okay, so Batmanuel is leading the Others (well, the weak and the children among them, there aren't many of the ones we got to know left!) to the "temple". Is this a temple built by the ancients that built the column big Sawyer was tied to, and the four toed foot by the shore? Is it a "temple" to worship Jacob at? Both? Frankly, I don't know if there is much to blog about it until we get some details. I am tickled that the Others are camping at a place called "Pascal Flats" on Ben's map (Is it on a Broken Road? Has that Broken Road been Blessed?). I wish the map showed what they call their own home (frankly, "Crash Site Beach Camp" is pretty lame for the Lostie's home, although accurate).

As far as the runway goes, a couple thoughts. One, Ben wants to keep the illusion that any "Other" can leave the Island, he makes them _choose_ to stay (as I noted before, not much of a choice for poor Juliet, stay or your sister dies!), so maybe that's why they are building a runway. Or maybe they aren't building a runway at all, Juliet was _IMHO_ joking about the aliens, why assume she is serious about that part? Or maybe we misunderstood, and they are building the set for "Project Runway". The show did begin airing in December 2004 (aka "now" for the Islanders) and the producers warned real world events would be reflected in the show...

Good question about Walt and Michael! Although, as old as Walt looks now, it would be hard to bring him back to the island unless they recast, pull some kind of time warp thing, only shoot him from CAREFULLY chosen angles, or pretend no one notices how tall he has gotten or that he is now shaving. Does anyone know if that exorcism show Harold P was gonna star in got picked up or not?

Who is on the ship, why they are looking for the Island, and what has been keeping the Island secret/marooning people on it for centuries...well those are the questions we must ponder. All summer long. And fall. And winter...is it February yet?

PS _Rascal Flatts_ are performing at Mohegan Sun this July...

#340. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 26, 2007 5:03 AM

Just a random thought, if anyone else has mentioned it, apologies in advance. Am I the only person who finds it hard to believe Kate (Super fugitive Kate) could possibly stay in one place and stop running??? Could the person Kate is with be someone she couldn't be with in our timeline: Yes, I think so, It's the Marshall. Which is why Kate seems worried "He" will find out about their secret meeting. In this alternative timeline the Marshall didn't die on the island and blackmailed Kate into living with him in order to stay out of prison. I got the impression that whoever Kate was with, she seemed quite unhappy, which would not have likely been the case if it had been Sawyer, because he would not have able to coerce a relationship with her if she didn't want to be with him, but the Marshall would have almost certainly had he lived. Kate could have assumed the identity of one the dead female passengers.

#341. Posted by: unladenswallow at May 26, 2007 5:19 AM

what if the person in the coffin was juliet?

i was totally freaked out by the way Jack was freaking out when he was pleading with kate that they need to go back to the island and that they've made a mistake. he looked absolutley terrified and desperate. something happened, something really really bad happened and jack obviously feels tremendously guilty. i think, that that jack's flash forward is the last piece of the journey of LOST, the ending. its gonna end right there when that plane flies over his head and hes screaming "we need to go back!!" and i think that it will the only flash forward ever!

#342. Posted by: Andie at May 26, 2007 6:09 AM

→ 348. Posted by: unladenswallow

i like your theory about kate assuming the identity of a female passenger, maybe thats why she hasnt recorded a voicemail message thing...?

#343. Posted by: Andie at May 26, 2007 6:13 AM

A couple of ideas 1) what if the island adventure is the flash-back ? And the present flash-backs are ways to get aquainted with the characters ? And flash-forward is REAL LIFE . 2) Did Kate look PG at the end ? Anyone with a picture ?? 3) Who is the little boy with the broken arm from the car crash ?
Who does he turn out to be ??

#344. Posted by: Fred Schwardt at May 26, 2007 9:34 AM

You are a load of old softies aren't you? Personally I found Charlie to be another irritating Northern tosser and will not miss him one bit and think that the lovely (but dim) Claire and approval dependant Hurley well rid of him.
Another point worth making (I think) is that the future Kate may still be a fugitive as she has certainly changed her appearance with the straight hair look.
Re the Losties walking off down the beach left/right note that there were tracks ahead of them that must have been made by a hundred people at least.

#345. Posted by: oldgroover at May 26, 2007 9:35 AM

@ Red Neck Man....yep! 100% female! Glad the summary of producers' comments made ya happy!

#346. Posted by: GatorGal at May 26, 2007 9:52 AM

@339 BunnyLover said:

>B) the path to the radio tower made a few turns (like when you're hiking up a mountain)

I thought about that - switchbacks. But in both cases the Losties seemed right down at the ocean - sandy beach in one case, and rocky coast in the other - not much chance for there to be a lower down trail going the other way that they'd doubled back over.

O-------

By the way, was anyone, like me, fooled by Juliet for just a leeetle tiny moment when she said they were building a runway...... for the aliens?

I so *wanted* that to be true.

#347. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 26, 2007 10:25 AM

@263 marty "here wats d story wit jak sayn go up and see if my father is more wasted dan i am ?? isnt his da dead like nd dat was supposed 2 b in the future ? any thoughts ??"

...um... I'd like to buy a vowel

#348. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 26, 2007 12:53 PM

The above double post did *not* come from pressing the submit button twice. The blog has grown so big my poor at-home Win98 browser can barely load it. When I pressed "submit" it failed to reload the first time and I pressed the "refresh" button, which apparently created the double post.

OLC: It totally was a flash forward.

#349. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 26, 2007 1:38 PM

@352

oldgroover, would you be the fella who called Desmond one of "them" for singing a celtic song couple weeks back?

If so, "them" could use some clarification since some of us may also be that and possibly not appreciative.

#350. Posted by: I Saved Everybody! at May 26, 2007 1:51 PM

Great review, Mac!

Nitpick -- Ben says "You've always been a loyalist, Mikhail," which I took to mean he's always been loyal to Ben. I didn't think he was saying anything about Mikhail being a true believer in the island.

#351. Posted by: Emily at May 26, 2007 1:55 PM

Ahh, I feel so sad that I basically have nothing to contribute to these discussions anymore because so many of you get to the points I would have written first, but, nevertheless, I do enjoy reading every one of them, so thanks!

All in all, I thought this finale was awesome, especiallly the "return" of Walt...I have no complaints, only that we now have to wait a half a year to start it all up again. Mac, thanks for your ever amazing blog and to the rest of you, if I don't see you round these parts in the next few months, have a great summer, y'all!

WGNABB!

#352. Posted by: Vikki at May 26, 2007 2:00 PM

This show will end up being the worst ever if at the end it turns out someone, like Jack, wakes up from a coma and it was all a dream. That would really suck.

#353. Posted by: Mark at May 26, 2007 3:56 PM

My wife seems to remember watching one of those special episodes when the producers are talking and learned that Jack and Kate are really brother and sister, maybe sharing the same father. Does anyone remember this?

#354. Posted by: Mark at May 26, 2007 4:08 PM

Hey Mark, that's Jack and CLAIRE, not Kate, who share the same daddy. There was enough ickiness with Boone and Shannon to fill the quotient on the incest front. (PS Christian knew they were both his kids, and WE know they are half brother and sister, but Jack and Claire have no idea as of yet that they are related)

#355. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 26, 2007 4:46 PM

JST at 271 and R at 274 like the alternate reality idea. It was brought up back at 111.

#356. Posted by: Mark at May 26, 2007 5:00 PM

@359-I saved everybody

Not guilty, todays' was my first post.
I rather like Desmond, but found Charlie a typical
whinging, whining,self serving little prick from the North. Alright so he died to save Claire, but he was going to die anyway wasn't he?
I don't know any of "them" whatever that means, but perhaps you do though as you seem quite sensitive about it.

#357. Posted by: old groover at May 26, 2007 6:51 PM

Not to be the bad cop, but i don't remember the 'Others' killing ANY of the Losties. Instead, it has been Jack and the gang doing the killing (Sawyer, Sun, Sayid, etc). So along this train of thought I don't think Ben is a bad guy. Thoughts? Theories?

#358. Posted by: zeke at May 26, 2007 7:06 PM

@leegull, #324 - Your entire first paragraph about John is excellent. It's how I feel but was unable to put into words. I never did see anything redeeming in him. AND sincere thanks for your comments about loosening up and having a little fun. I think a whole bunch of us appreciate that.

@Red...Neck...Man, #335 - dinner with Cindy, huh? Sounds pretty good to me.
I bet you just scarfed that up ;>)

#359. Posted by: ButchM at May 26, 2007 7:11 PM

@Zeke/367 Goodwin killed that Canadian guy, and Ethan killed Steve (or was it Scott?). Ethan also tried to kill Charlie, Patchy tried to kill Des and Charlie, and Ana Lucia, Libby and Big Sawyer all were killed by Losties following directives from the Others. Plus Danny tried to kill Sawyer (James) twice, and yes, I think he really would have. Not to mention the dozens of Dharmaites killed, I don't think the Others are above murder. Possibly they felt there was no need to kill the Losties before now, they were no threat to them. Boy did they underestimate if that's the case!

#360. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 26, 2007 7:45 PM

Again thank you for another great year Mac, and thank you Lost Blog members for your insights which made "My Lost Experience" twice as nice. I don't think any Lost fan has a doubt that the FilmFodder Lost Blog is the best written site of all the Lost sites with the most insightful members by far. I certainly hope you won the award for best Lost Blog, Mac!


Here are a few random thoughts after watching "..Looking Glass" a second time

1) What a great episode to wrap the year, anyone who pans Matthew Fox acting in Lost had to eat their words in this his Flashback episode, so many great scenes by him i loved the scene with he and Kate where he talks about Sawyer and himself protecting her...why " Because I love you" had to bring a tear to the eye of alot of Lost fans,


2) When you tie in the Fact that you can't kill Patchy/Mikhail(don't think he's dead), Richard Alper never ages, the secret of the island is that those who can connect in some way with the Island/Jacob have "eternal life". Locke didn't die and was healed as Walt (through Smokey? appeared to him.
Mr Widmore has been trying to find the island and "own" whatever gives certain members it's healing powers/ongoing life. Jack & Kate want to go back after they've gotten "rescued" because the island fixes their character flaws(Charlie's weakness of character which is fixed as he dies a hero for the rest of the Losties) and gives members of the island the one thing they want most something their very soul craves to live a fullfilling existance.

Obviously Jack and Kate were never as happy as when they were on the island but had to get back to "reality" to realize it...

3) I'm not the first to mention similarities between Lost and the famous Star Trek episode The Cage Abrams, Cuse Lindoff have stated they are big fans of Star Trek. "The Cage" was the original 1965 Pilot for Star Trek... where Captain Christopher Pike(Jeffrey Hunter) and others from the Enterprise are held captive on Talos where most of the human inhabitants are illusions created by the powerful minds of a race of aliens. Pike uncovers the Talosian's plans to repopulate their war ravaged planet using himself and Vina(Susan Oliver) as breeding stock.When the Talosians realize that humans will not thrive in captivity and send Pike and his companions back he wants to bring Vina, with him but finds that she was deformed in a crash and her beauty and health are also an illusion created by the aliens so she stays. Later Pike is injured badly in a crash as well
and is basically just a head & torso. Star Fleet sends him back to Talos where the Aliens give him his life back through their illusions.

Illusions are certainly a big part of Lost now and giving people the life they want through those illusions may be one of the eventual big secret of Lost.

4) I think the person in the casket is Claire..when asked by the Priest at the Viewing if the person who died was a Friend or Family...Jack said Either not Neither....so the person is a friend as well as family...only people that fit that description(that we know of are) Christian Shepard, Claire, Sarah. The casket looks small and we know Sarah is alive so my bet is Claire.

7 months is a long time to wait for your favorite television show...Ever!

#361. Posted by: Zapper at May 26, 2007 8:00 PM

It has been said that the woman directly behind Jack on the plane in the flash-forward is the same woman behind him on Oceanic flight 815 as seen in the pilot episode. From the looks on the DVD and iPod, she could be one and the same, but I can't tell for sure. Anyone out there know?

#362. Posted by: Coop at May 26, 2007 8:57 PM

@Vikki - You must be a mind reader because I have been wondering where you were. I was just about to post a "Where's Vikki" post, when I turned it on and you were there!

@ Cecil Rose - Oh, come on and admit it. You clicked "post" twice! :)

@ButchM - SGYB - Still Got Your Back!


@ everyone - you all have come up with everything that I can possible think of.

But, can anyone tell me the colors in Cindy's scarf without looking back?? Eh, what's that? Not THAT smart, are we??!! hehehe

#363. Posted by: meg at May 26, 2007 10:05 PM

Ok, I stopped reading at 187. Sorry

Here is my thing...if this is a flashforward, and I believe it is, then why isn't Jack with Juliet off the island? Maybe he is so depressed b/c she dies on the island or is left there? No way is that her in the coffin. He would def say he is a friend. Maybe that is why I sensed that same love triangle tension between Jack and Kate at the end!

#364. Posted by: lostsplorer at May 26, 2007 10:14 PM

This my third post, but I watched it again with pen and paper as per another poster and these are things I'd like bring up.

- When they start their Exodus down the beach and across the rocks some red shirts are holding a crate or something but I think it's meant to represent the ARC of the covenant (hence Moses)

- Kate is wearing a hoodie, I wonder if it's Charlie's from when he weant all Anakin Skywalker on us, perhaps Evangeline thought it was well suited as her boyfriend, Dominique, was going to be off'd.

- Speaking of Charlie, I love his acting during interogation, especially when he responds, "I die."

- Also Matthew Fox was amazing, especially when Ben counts down the seconds, JAck goes from fearfull, to remorseful to the incredible hulk in a matter of seconds.

- Also I love when Kate says to Sawyer, "And since when did you start calling me Kate."

- Speaking of Kate not being so tech savy on the phone. The three times Jack calls her he dials the number. Who in this world dials numbers nowadays?!? I don't know anyone's number, I just have them programmed in. You'd think Kate was in his top five or something.

- Naomi is hot and I love her raspy accent, I know she had to die, but it's a bummer (like Nikki).

- Lastly my nitpick, I have a degree in music and carefully watched the 'Good Vibrations' elements. The code she said, what Charlie dialed and most importantly the music reference is hogwash. I can go in to great detail about it, just a show error. The code she mentioned was 54587755437761131, which is nothing like GV's, Charlie dialed a completely diferent number on camera (on a 16 digit keypad - which I know is one of the "magic numbers" but a better key pad would have 12 digits), a better transcription would be 3#235512322223321565 in the key of F.

That's all I got. Thanks MAC for another season. I'll try not to post anymore. But if 20 minutes is a long time, 8 months is an era. The pub I go to has a clock ticking down til next St. Patty's Day, I did the math and will use it to count down to LOST season 4.

#365. Posted by: callaway76 at May 26, 2007 10:24 PM

I have some weird feelings about this episode. Best? Naah. But not as disappointing as previous finales were.

* In the coffin? Juliet. Even not sure why, but newspaper cutout depresses Jack enough to jump from a bridge. If it's orbituary, who could be important enough to jump? If he wanted to jump only because rescue was mistake, he'd done it earlier.

* Naomi's "team"? The guy at satellite phone sounded very military-type to me.
I'm having this weird feeling that fourth season starts with choppers coming over losties. MILITARY ones, filled with commandos with intention to kill every one human on island. And whole season will be a run-fest again.
Dharma technology (submarines??? undersea bases with jammers -- like, why would researcher JAM anything???) is far too expensive to be just a research company's one.

* Charlie dead? Through whole season 2, I hated charlie. Whiny slave to even whinier bossy b**ch Claire. But after this season, I started quite to like him. i.e. - all other losties have rather miserable and boring background, a high-fly rock star isn't that bad type of character in this mix. If he really died, script writers shamed him with so stupid death and I hate it! Why not just wait until room fills with water, and swim out from window? He was able to dive there, getting out is times easier?

Stupid-stupid-stupid!

* This Jacob-thing is getting on my nerves. Invisible man? Yawn.

* Writers are burning out. Some blood was a nice relief for a sorryass lostie team, but answers? This is stinking like a soap opera already, they'd better cut the drama and focus on something interesting. Like a conclusion. So what if they all got rescued? How about going back? anything?

#366. Posted by: InC at May 26, 2007 10:26 PM

Does anybody else thinks the woman Jack saved was Rachel, Juliette's sister?

#367. Posted by: João Sem Nome II , O Dormidor da Noite at May 26, 2007 11:31 PM

I would like to make a guess. Maybe the person in the coffin is Rousseau. Because right after Jack went out of the funeral parlour in the flash-forward scene, we saw a scene of Jack and Rousseau talking (on Island). Maybe it's a hint; a juxtaposition of two scenes - flashback and present.

#368. Posted by: Madally Wurlpiz at May 27, 2007 12:01 AM

João: É você portuguese? Meu português não é muito bom. Que é "dormidor"?

To answer your question, the woman that Jack saved was called “Mrs. Arlen.”

It is possible the woman is Rachel. Her son would be the correct age to be Julian (who is Juliet’s nephew).

#369. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 12:10 AM

@ 372 meg said:

>@ Cecil Rose - Oh, come on and admit it. You clicked "post" twice! :)

Not guilty your honor. Stack of bibles. "Refresh" did it. This old slow system, plus dial-up modem, plus 300+ entries = frequent load failure. And the post where I explained it the *also* drew a load falure. AHA! sez I, and clicked my bookmark instead of "refresh" and got a clean load without a second post - this old dog has learned a new trick. I present it for what benefit others might derive.

o-----

@375 InC said:

>I have some weird feelings about this episode. Best? Naah. But not as disappointing as previous finales were.

Weak?

S1: Mysterious, inhabited hatch found hidden on supposedly uninhabited island!

S2: Sky turns purple, hatch blows, 4 principle characters captured by Others!

These are weak?

#370. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 27, 2007 12:41 AM

@Clementine/379

Does that make them the House of the Julii?

#371. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 27, 2007 1:18 AM

Wow, future Kate is kind of a bitch.

#372. Posted by: Iggy Pop and the Magic Llama at May 27, 2007 1:36 AM

@ #345:

"General Nicholas Alexander"...that was Terry O'Quinn's character's name in 'Alias'--good homage.

But the General has hit on a very good point about last year's season finale. I can't find anything specifically about what Ben told Michael when he let him go. I thought also that he said go so many miles and there'd be a boat there. But here's the thing: how could Ben just let Michael go when if -- and this is still an 'if' considering it has yet to be elucidated on -- Ben staged a phony flight 815 in the bottom of the ocean so as to "call off the dogs," so to say, and civilization would stop looking for them. In other words, to the world away from the island Michael and Walt are dead. Now, when they're rescued obviously they're going to have to give their names up so as to get back to their lives (I imagine all Michael's credit cards are in his name, are they not?)and therefore it is inevitable that someone discovers that he was on 815 and guess what...the search for the plane is back on -- which, of course, would be the last thing Ben would want. So, I was wondering if when Ben was talking to Michael if he promised him that he would let them "go home" or rather he'd let them "leave the island?" For remember, Ben pulled that "it's in how you phrase it," FWY mind bullsh&t with Jack and Jules when he told them that he'd let Sayid and Kate go the very moment they hailed a sub off the island -- knowing as he did that Locke was in the process of blowing the tuna can up.

Anyone know?

#373. Posted by: Weeble-Wobble at May 27, 2007 2:16 AM

Uh, _FUTURE_ Kate? From what we saw, Past Kate wasn't a bowl of sunshine either. Just ask her mom, her hubby, the marshall, her step dad...

#374. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 27, 2007 2:29 AM

WHEN WILL WE SEE A ROUSSEAU FLASH BACK!

#375. Posted by: Phil ZOOP at May 27, 2007 3:44 AM

What if the woman / boy in the hostpital are Claire & Aaron? I know the woman's name on the chart was not Claire. But we don't recognize the name of the important dead person, either, from the obituary. What if people came back and some assumed different names for privacy reasons?

#376. Posted by: H at May 27, 2007 8:17 AM

ok,
The Dead dude in Coffin was BEN.
Jack's whole existance in the LOST/FUTURE was negative,no life,no peace and no girl, HE went to the funeral put his hand on the Coffin to say to BEN that you were RIGHT,We should have not left the Island(He said it to Future Kate).BEN was not liked by ANY and he did not have any family in the US,no one would have gone to his funeral. Ben was the KING of the Island and a bum when he finally returned.


#377. Posted by: Sportsdesk at May 27, 2007 8:33 AM

@FenwayBen/381:

Maybe that statue (once attached to the 4 toes) was wearing a toga. If James Purefoy shows up at the temple, I will be very happy.

#378. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 8:35 AM

@H/386: Wouldn't Jack recognize Claire? And if the future flash was 2007, Aaron would be 3 years old. The woman's son was quite a bit older.

#379. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 8:42 AM

@meg...thanks! ;)

Did anyone see Best Week Ever on VH1 this week? There is a pretty tongue in cheek interview with Michael Emerson (sp?) during their "Sizzler" section. He goes all "Ben" on the interviewer...pretty funny if you get a chance to catch a re-run...

#380. Posted by: Vikki at May 27, 2007 9:01 AM

Hey Clementine, I'm brazilian and "Dormidor da Noite" means "sleeper of the night".

I think the dead man was Ben, it makes a lot of sense, the guy is a tragic (anti-)hero, but not the kind that dies in action (that's John), he's the kind that dies alone.

#381. Posted by: João Sem Nome II , O Dormidor da Noite at May 27, 2007 12:01 PM

@leegull/324:

I don't think it is Locke's intention to keep the losties from getting rescued. He, like Ben, wants to prevent the island from being found/discovered. Unfortunately, in order to do this, he HAS to prevent the losties from being rescued, because their rescue will only occur if someone finds them on the island. Essentially, if A is the cause (someone finds island), and B is the effect (losties get rescued), and you are trying to stop A from happening, in the end, you are also preventing B from happening, because it cannot happen without A happening first.

@ncc/308:

I pondered the question of the Desmond/Penny photo when I first saw Desmond's flashback of the photo being taken. How did Penny have a copy of it at her bedside if, when Desmond broke up with her (immediately after the photo was taken), he left with the photo? My answer is this -- even though he broke up with her, he must have still been in contact with her for some time after (before going off to the army and prison). Otherwise, when would she have been able to put her letter into his book that he had with him? Maybe she gave him the book (with the letter in it) when he joined the army, and at that time, he gave her a copy of the photo, and kept a copy for himself. That's my thoughts, and that's why I'm inclined to believe it's Penny's father who sent Naomi (since we now know Penny did not) -- he would be the ONLY other person who would have access to that photo besides Penny and Desmond (unless one of them gave a copy to someone else at some point, but I doubt that is the case). I think Mr. Widmore stole a copy of from Penny, and sent a team looking for Desmond, to get rid of him once and for all during his "race around the world." They lost track of him for three years after he marooned himself on the island, but they didn't stop looking (because they were ordered to continue until they found him), and now they have fianlly stumbled upon the island where he was marooned. Sounds a little far-fetched, I know, but that's my thoughts on how Naomi got the picture. Now if Mr. Widmore was also looking for the island in addition to looking for Desmond, he probably knew that finding one would result in finding the other...

#382. Posted by: Stocky at May 27, 2007 12:04 PM

How about: They get rescued BUT they get sent back to the time BEFORE they got on the plane -- Like a parallel universe!!! -- ONLY they still know all that happened before and on the island.

And this universe isn't like the one they left and they don't fit in the same way as before AND they would know each other now. So, Jack's father would be alive; Jack would know Kate and whoever died; everyone's life would be "different" than it was in the other universe -- so maybe Kate is hooked up in a nice situation with a "rich" guy or something she likes better than Jack who is a drug addict and major downer!

So whoever died was someone they knew from the island, but maybe everyone but Jack likes their new life and they don't want to associate with each other!!

They said it was a "major shift" -- Space Time Continuium Here we Come!!

#383. Posted by: PlatPat at May 27, 2007 12:26 PM

How about: They get rescued BUT they get sent back to the time BEFORE they got on the plane -- Like a parallel universe!!! -- ONLY they still know all that happened before and on the island.

And this universe isn't like the one they left and they don't fit in the same way as before AND they would know each other now. So, Jack's father would be alive; Jack would know Kate and whoever died; everyone's life would be "different" than it was in the other universe -- so maybe Kate is hooked up in a nice situation with a "rich" guy or something she likes better than Jack who is a drug addict and major downer!

So whoever died was someone they knew from the island, but maybe everyone but Jack likes their new life and they don't want to associate with each other!!

They said it was a "major shift" -- Space Time Continuium Here we Come!!

#384. Posted by: PlatPat at May 27, 2007 12:27 PM

Allow me to quote RNM:
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

These double and triple posts are driving me crazy! I know it's got to be a fluke in the system and not everybody hitting the button twice.

And since mac has not addressed this problem or the profanity as he usually does, I'm guessing he was so exhausted from writing the last review that he has taken the family and escaped town on a LONG vacation . . .

Not that anybody could blame him.

Afterall, it IS Memorial Day Weekend, a long weekend where the wife and I can spend time painting, staining and installing new EVERYTHING in the upstairs guest bathroom.

For the rest of the nation, it's PARTY TIME! (Ohyeah, and remembering all those service men and women who have given their lives for our freedom over the past 200 years . . . if you have a spare moment or two . . )

I have six comrades on the Viet Nam Wall so . . . "partying" just hasn't been the same since 1973 . .

Everyone be safe out there.


DRH

#385. Posted by: davidrh at May 27, 2007 2:32 PM

@Clementine/388

I would love nothing better than for the cast of one of my all time favorite shows (ROME) to all be living in togas at the temple when Batmanuel arrives. Unfortunately, there is another ABC show, Private Practice (the Grey's Anatomy spinoff) that seems to have the monopoly on hiring actors whose shows were cancelled last season (or their plotlines resolved, although Prison Break has gotten so rediculous they might as well cancel it). But it seems all my favorite shows are either cancelled or not coming back till January/February next year, so I guess I'll be watching a lot of Fottball and Baseball till then! Hey Mac, do you write a Red Sox blog?

Have a great summer, fall and winter everyone!

#386. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 27, 2007 4:16 PM

Has anyone noticed how many Lost actors are/were in 24? Recently I started watching it, and I am on season 5 now. So far I have seen Jin, Desmond, and Ben. There was another one in the mix somewhere. It sure is freaky. I think I'm skating on the edge and actually believing these characters are real! LOL


(Okay, I won't click twice - It will go through, IT WILL!!!) :)

Happy Memorial day to all. Unfortunately I wll be with sick kids. The day on Florida Beach - CANCELED!!!!)

#387. Posted by: meg at May 27, 2007 5:20 PM

@392 (Stocky) Your points about John's agenda are well stated and I don't disagree with you. On one level, I understand that John's only goal is to keep the island hidden and he may have good reason for doing so, especially if we believe Jack’s future story. My real beef is with John's character and the way he goes about doing things. I wish the writers had given him some admirable qualities so he would deserve to be healed by the island, and be a worthy challenger (to Jack) for leadership of the Losties. Then I could cheer him on. But he still has the loser, loner, gullible traits that plagued him in his back stories -- John is not showing any internal healing or improvement. He has no personality, no charisma, no social skills. In spite of being a good hunter and having good survival skills, he has made some serious blunders and bad judgment calls, and recently showed he has no honor (after he got Sawyer to kill daddy) John dumped the body at Ben's feet and took credit by implying he had done the deed himself. Then he knifed Naomi in the back to get her to drop the phone. That act will haunt me for the next eight months.

About Hurley’s arrival at the beach in the van. This was a great touch to make him a hero after his help was rejected by Charlie and Sawyer, but the timing and motive do not make sense to me. The only reason Hurley would come barreling out of the jungle at a fast clip is if he intended to injure or disable the Others, but this would require knowledge of what was happening on the beach and time to develop a plan to disrupt the scene, and I don't think the story line allowed time for the knowledge or the plan. Hurley is a slow walker at best so he would not be able to arrive at the beach before Juliet and Sawyer, discover that the three amigos were held captive by the Others, then go to wherever the van was located, get it started and put the pedal to the metal to save the day just a minute after Juliet and Sawyer arrived and said to each other "we have no weapons, what can we do?” Enter Hurley. I’m glad he got there, but it seemed a bit contrived. Did I miss something?

#388. Posted by: leegull at May 27, 2007 5:51 PM

After being awake for days with sick kids I had a revelation:

Do you ever think that the reason we all love Lost so much and are addicted to it is taht we wish WE could be on that island solving that mystery with the other characters (I mean, if we could at least get confirmation that we wouldn't die). Just a thought...:)

#389. Posted by: meg at May 27, 2007 5:51 PM

@meg - if we were on that island, WE would communicate. You would be easy to talk to because you would be the first one in line every morning for breakfast ;>)

mifoi (meg is first on island)

#390. Posted by: ButchM at May 27, 2007 6:41 PM

Wow!

In UK and just seen the finale....!
Brilliant.

Not looking forward to the 8 month wait though!

(Loving Sayid's move - That man just gets better)

My only concern is that, as someone else has already pointed out, doesn't this mean that Jack and Kate are pretty invincible now? I hope for the writer's sakes both Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly continue to renew their contracts?!!?

#391. Posted by: Patchy's missing eye at May 27, 2007 7:30 PM

Hey João, tudo bem? “Sleeper of the night” = cool name!

What do you think about the Brazilian connections in Lost? Any ideas about the men who worked for Penelope Widmore and detected the “electromagnetic anomaly” at the end of Season 2? Do you think they were located in the Antarctic or on some mountaintop?

Hope you are enjoying mac’s Lost blog! It’s the best!

#392. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 9:34 PM

@Patchy’s missing eye 401/402: another great name!

Good point about the ramifications of Jack/Kate’s future off the island. If we believe that is the inevitable outcome, it really limits Jack/Kate’s storylines on the island. We viewers won’t find it believable if the writers put them in mortal danger. Or if they accidentally have Jack make a GOOD decision :)

I personally think the Losties’ actions on the island can change that future, at least I’m hoping so.

#393. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 9:39 PM

I thought Kate looked really different but not older, her face looked fat. I thought it was me. I also think that maybe just Kate, Jack and Sawyer got off the isalnd. The guy in the coffin is Michael with his new identity so not only did he have no new friends no old friends/family would know him either.I think Kate and Jack were approached by him after their rescue to let them know that he and Walt were alive.

#394. Posted by: isalnder at May 27, 2007 9:53 PM

I thought Kate looked really different but not older, her face looked fat. I thought it was me. I also think that maybe just Kate, Jack and Sawyer got off the isalnd. The guy in the coffin is Michael with his new identity so not only did he have no new friends no old friends/family would know him either.I think Kate and Jack were approached by him after their rescue to let them know that he and Walt were alive.

#395. Posted by: isalnder at May 27, 2007 9:54 PM

@leegull/398: Hurley’s van ride was one of my favorite moments, and while I agree with your analysis of why it’s not logical, it’s one of those times where I choose to suspend common sense for sheer entertainment value. Maybe the van came equipped with an Others/Losties radar screen that allowed Hurley to pinpoint who he wanted to hit or miss :) (As mac said, the van was able to deflect bullets!) As for John Locke, while I wanted him to survive, I have also been very disappointed in his character, especially after he arranged for Sawyer to kill Anthony Cooper.

@FenwayBen and everybody else: If you’re looking for some quality viewing this summer, I highly recommend “Heroes” and “Friday Night Lights,” if you missed them the first time around. Both have full season DVD releases coming up. I think I’ll be renting “Jericho” even though it was cancelled. And there’s always my guilty pleasure, “Big Brother.” Yes, I can hear you laughing, but I look at it as a socio-psychological experiment (with no bunnies harmed in the process, BunnyLover!)

@meg/397: I’ve watched every season of “24” as it unfolded, but I’m sure I missed some episodes along the way. (I found this year to be pretty sub-par.) Isn’t it funny how you get to know actors from one show, and then notice them as supporting cast on other shows? I remember Jin and Desmond being on “24”, but have no memory of Ben (Michael Emerson). What role did he play? BTW, the lovely Looking Glass ladies, Bonnie and Greta, also had supporting roles on “24”!

Sorry, about your canceled day at the beach. Hope the kids feel better. I’ll be fishing tomorrow, which mostly involves sipping a cool drink and relaxing at the lake.

@davidrh/395: I will also be stopping at the cemetery in the morning, my dad was a vet. Gone but not forgotten.

Have a safe holiday everyone!

#396. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 9:58 PM

@Clementine

I actually saw all of Friday Night Lights this season when it first aired, and I agree, it's a really good show (which baffles me as to why it wasn't cancelled, but it's best not to ask questions and just be thankful!). Okay, so I have FNL, House and Bones to enjoy this fall. And maybe Survivor: China. See some of you over at the House Blog!

#397. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 27, 2007 10:13 PM

@FenwayBen:

I gave up on "Survivor" awhile back, but might tune in for the China locale. Especially since "Amazing Race" won't be back until next spring! (grr, stupid networks!)

#398. Posted by: Clementine at May 27, 2007 10:28 PM

Boat must belong to Penny's dad. Bet a bunch of the Losties get killed when the boat people show up, bringing some truth to Ben's prediction that Jack's actions would get Jack's people killed. Possibly creating the mental state that has sent Jack off the deep end. Obviosly, Jack and Kate survive. Fortunately, many of the other central characters are not at the radio tower (Hurley, Sawyer, Jules, Desmond, Sayid, Jin). I don't believe the exit will be as simple as the helo showing up and simply taking them all away.

The coffin seemed short to me. Ben is kind of short. Funeral home looked like it might be in a black neighborhood (black guys on street and black mortician). Maybe Michael? Alternatively, the mortician asked Jack if he was family or friend (family wouldn't make much sense if the dead person was African American), so maybe the dead person is white. Based on the obit, either would have to be under an assumed name (J... ...ntham per the obit). Possibly a new character?

Thanks to those that deciphered the obituary. Fascinating!
And thanks to Mac for another great review!

#399. Posted by: Bingo at May 28, 2007 2:03 AM

Jack said "EITHER" at the funeral home, not "neither", but not sure if this could be significant in any way.

#400. Posted by: cambridgegirl at May 28, 2007 8:41 AM

The season finale did not rule out anyone's theory about Lost or the island. It just created more questions.
If Ben is afraid of the Outsiders, then how will they treat the 815ers who are already dead to the outside world?
And what is the real reason the island must keep its location secret? What if it has nothing to do with science or faith but simple human greed: the island has a hidden but cursed pirate's treasure that the hostiles, the Others and now the Outsiders are after.
If Jack's flash forward is true, then what if during the Outsiders reign on the island, Jack was "rewarded" by leaving the island - - - and in a Survivor like twist, only allowed to take one other person with him? He chose Kate, who turned her back on him. It causes him guilt because he had promised to get everyone off the island.

#401. Posted by: welh at May 28, 2007 1:25 PM

My new theory is that there will be a more elaborate warning from Jacob, Ben, or Locke that if the Losties leave the island they will die. (Ben mentioned something to that effect during his chat with Jack.) Nobody believes the known-to-be-a-liar. They get rescued-- this will take up a good chunk of season 4. The rescuers on Naomi's boat are bad guys sent by Penny's dad, not Penny. When they get off the island the Losties start dying-- Sayid, Sun & Jin, Hurley, Claire. Nobody but Jack is convinced that it's because they left. He starts going crazy, seeing his father again and thinking he's still alive. He flies across the Pacific every weekend in the hopes of crashing. The dead person in the coffin one of the last Losties left-- only Kate and Jack remain (possibly Sawyer if he is indeed the "he" Kate referred to). Jack somehow convinces Kate to go back (maybe by saying that Sawyer will be the next to die?) and this is the adventure for season 5, battling new Dharma/Whidmore badguys to free Ben(!)/Locke/Jacob and reverse their curse. Whaddya think?

#402. Posted by: jessnyc at May 28, 2007 2:07 PM

***SPOILER ALERT***

This is a big one. Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) has been contracted by Lost's producers to be on the show for THREE MORE SEASONS. That's until the end, people!! This could mean....

a) He's not really dead (most likely)

b) We follow his journey to the 'lost' underworld, which contains Boone, Analucia, Boone, Eko, Boone, Shannon, Boone, Libby, Boone, Nikki, Boone, Paolo, and all the rest. Oh, and Boone.

c) He's in a LOT of flashbacks.

#403. Posted by: dominoghan at May 28, 2007 7:47 PM

@414 Is that true? You sure about that source?

#404. Posted by: katijo at May 28, 2007 8:28 PM


#414 - the weirdo -

If you can't provide a reputable online link then don't post crap here. Dom has done SO MANY INTERVIEWS ONLINE, on TELEVISION stating that he won't be back and that he's known it since last February.

He MAY return in a flashback, if necessary.

#405. Posted by: amelia at May 29, 2007 7:22 AM

As Desmond is still alive, the Jack falshback/flashforward could be just one of his visions of the future.

If thats the case, he could warn in advance that getting off the island is as Locke says....not whats supposed to happen.

#406. Posted by: Rasher at May 29, 2007 7:27 AM

Hi everyone -- Hope you all had a nice weekend.

Just wanted to let all the regulars know that if you ever spot any comments that seem out of whack (profanity, general nastiness, etc.) please drop me a line directly at mac@filmfodder.com. I check my email far more often than the blog, so that's usually the best way to get me.

Thanks! -- mac

#407. Posted by: mac at May 29, 2007 7:49 AM

Well how about this for a way out scenario, Charlie is resusitated because at the moment he was drowning, the tsunami does take place and it pulls up the watery grave he was trapped in and throws it inland! Not only does Charlie survive but the ship off shore does not get to rescue them , it loses contact again.This gives Charlie new life and Lost a whole new season to develop how they do get off the island.

#408. Posted by: islander at May 29, 2007 10:50 AM

I have not read all 408 posts, so this may have been said. Also, this may have been shot down in past discussions that I missed. But, I was just reading the Lost Experience blog again. What about the ship belonging to the Hanso Foundation. Thoughts?


Also, because I watch Heroes as well. I was thinking, maybe the flash forward was a "what if" episode. I think someone may have already said this, but I would have to scroll through many posts to confirm. Maybe the rescue had not happened yet. Just a thought. No one will know for sure until the next season begins, or the finale. That's what makes it fun.

Going back to the theories from the first or second season. Hugo wakes up, this has been in his head. After all, he was the heroe in the finale.

#409. Posted by: RickN at May 29, 2007 11:46 AM

****SO NOT A SPOILER ALERT****

I just read that Cindy's scarf signed on for 3 more seasons!

#410. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 29, 2007 11:58 AM

Cindy's scarf?? Really? I am so mif'd about that!

#411. Posted by: meg at May 29, 2007 12:52 PM

Well, I for one am glad to hear that Cindy's scarf will be *hanging* around for a while. Although, the fact that it signed up for three seasons sorta takes the suspense out of it - now we know that it will survive.

I guess knowing that there is a definite time period now, the writers can write better episodes for it and not have so much *fluff*

I read in an interview that it really wanted to stick its neck out and try some new stuff - you know, kinda stretch itself in some new ways - get a part it could really wrap itself around. Cast members have said that since "Scarfy" joined them they are a much more closely knit group.

When asked if it took much needling about its cameos, Scarfy replied by spinning some long yarn about not getting the attention it deserves.

I for one will be paying close attention as its tale unwinds...or unravels.

#412. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 1:16 PM

I think that the season 3 DVDs should contain a deleted scene from when Jack is in the cage and sees Cindy with Emma and Zack (the Tailies kids)...

Scarf Face (Cindy) walks up to the cage and says (in a heavy Latino accent)"Say hello to my little friends!"

#413. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 1:26 PM

@Clementine
Tudo bem!
You know, when I heard Rodrigo Santoro (brazilian actor, Paulo) was in Lost I was sure he had something to do with those guys at the end os season two. Now he's dead and as far as he's mentioned in interviews, he hasn't signed for the next seasons.
Brazil does have a station in antartica that studies environmental changes, so it all made sense. Now I don't know.

Hey, mac’s Lost blog é o que há (rulez)!

#414. Posted by: João Sem Nome II , O Dormidor da Noite at May 29, 2007 1:48 PM

@ bcre8ve: Scarf Face...now that's perfect.

#415. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 29, 2007 1:51 PM

Has anyone got a theory re: Ben was responsible for the deaths of 'over 40 people in a single day'.

The Losties number somewhere in that vicinity. Is the Island replacing the ones that Ben killed????

I need a theory, people ....

#416. Posted by: EthansGrrl at May 29, 2007 1:52 PM

@ Ethansgrrl/#416: I believe he is referring to the 'purge' he initiated against Dharma when he gassed the crappola out of 'Poppa-Lazlo' and the rest of people in pre-Bennsylvania.

Does that answer your question or were you looking for some parrallel between the 40 deaths in one day and the coincidental splash-down of approx 40 or so Losties? I think Ben says 'history is about to repeat itself' but he is not referring to his own involvement in another 'genocide' purge against the Losties, rather that a whole bunch of peeps will get wiped out on this special island.

#417. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 29, 2007 3:08 PM

I was disappointed that this finale was absent a Hurley Bird spotting. If you remember back... (whooosh) it was during the previous two finales, "Exodus" & "Through the Looking Glass", that we were given glimpses of the fine feathered fowl.

Maybe in the DVD collection we'll see a deleted scene in which the bird carries Hurley to the VW thus explaining how he beat Sawyer and Juliet to the camp.

Regardless, it appears that the bird has gotten the ax. Or, to put it another way, "The Hurley Bird got the Term."

#418. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 3:29 PM

@ bcre8ve: Holy crap do we think alike. I was hoping that the 'Hurley Bird' was going to be a finale-fixture. Alas, we'll have to wait in suspense for the dvd to see. I would anticipate that the bird can't carry Hurley since he weighs as much as the VW bus to begin with.

I think a more logical explaination would be that the Hurley Bird craps out 93-octane which would put to rest all these sceptics who question how Hurley got the bus started again. And btw, if you look closely at it's appearance in the previous finales, it's legs are actually stocky jumper-cables. Mystery........solved!

#419. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 29, 2007 3:47 PM

From Post #410 on . . .

Thank goodness we're through with all that serious stuff and are getting back to our loveable silly selves again! . . .


Thanks to RNM, Bcre8ve and meg for bringing us to our senses!


:-D

DRH

#420. Posted by: davidrh at May 29, 2007 3:59 PM

@João

Rodrigo Santoro was not on the show for long, but he certainly was memorable. There was a little nickname for him, Poopy Paulo, because...well, he was always on his way to or from the "facilities" :)

Too bad his character was not involved with the Penny Widmore crew. That would have been a much better role. I don't think he'll return after being buried alive, although Sawyer might dig him up at some point to get the diamonds!

#421. Posted by: Clementine at May 29, 2007 4:30 PM

@RNM/419 "I would anticipate that the bird can't carry Hurley since he weighs as much as the VW bus to begin with."

Depends on whether or not it is an African Hurley Bird or a European Hurley Bird. Obviously with Hurley in its clutches it would be laden.

#422. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 5:05 PM

Either/Neither?

I don't get why some folks think Jack uttered "either" to the question at the funeral home. The answer would either be "neither" or "both". I don't think anyone would answer "either", at least it doesn't make sense to me. But then it is Lost and so am I. Although, Jack's not the sharpest scalpal in the O.R., not to mention being hopped up on Oxies, I suppose a non-sensical response wouldn't be unexpected.

#423. Posted by: ID_Monster at May 29, 2007 5:24 PM

@davidrh/420 sorry to disappoint but I still have a little seriousness to attend to...

One thing that I love to hate about Lost is the beauty of the ambiguity of the writers. For instance - the whole Penny not knowing Naomi thing.

One the one hand...

Of course Penny doesn't know Naomi. The company that Naomi works for was hired by Penny to find Desmond. Naomi told us herself that she had never personally met Penny. I would not expect her to have. It would be like me hiring Fed-X to deliver a package to a friend across the country and it being delivered by a courier - lets call him Tom. The courier would have my address and info but would not know me. If the friend then called me and told me he had met Tom, I'd say, "Who? I don't know any Tom" So it makes perfect sense for Penny not to acknowledge Naomi.

On the Other hand (or the Dharma hand) it also makes perfect sense for Penny to react the way she did if she didn't send Naomi.

- for all we know Penny *is* on the boat waiting...or not.

So what are we to think? They certainly have given us plenty to discuss over the next few months - and that's just one example.

BTW: I personally think that Naomi is bad and not a part of Penny's search party. But we'll see.

And now back to regularly scheduled nonsense...

#424. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 5:32 PM

Maybe it was the Hurley Bird in the coffin, thus preserving the string.

#425. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 29, 2007 5:34 PM

@RNM/419 "And btw, if you look closely at it's appearance in the previous finales, it's legs are actually stocky jumper-cables."

So a priest, a rabbi and a Hurley Bird walk into a bar...

The Hurley Bird says, "Do you serve Hurley Birds that have jumper cable feet here?"

The bartender looks at him suspiciously and slowly draws, "You can come in, just don't start anything."

[insert bad joke drum snare hits and cymbol crash here]

#426. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 5:46 PM

@Cecil Rose/425 "Maybe it was the Hurley Bird in the coffin, thus preserving the string."

I love it! That is exactly what I am choosing to believe. Thats my alternative reality delusion and I'm sticking to it.

And yet another observation from the blue...Anyone else not sold on Jacliet's kiss not being a first kiss? I don't recall ever seeing them kiss before but that certainly was not a first kiss.

#427. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 29, 2007 6:01 PM

I think the scarf was in the coffin. It seemed a short coffin and Kate doesn't seem like a scarf person, as such.

#428. Posted by: (Dude, I Already Told You) I SAVED EVERYBODY! at May 29, 2007 6:53 PM

Or,if it were in a black neighborhood, it could have been Rose's scarf/headkerchief and whatnot.

#429. Posted by: I SAVED EVERYBODY! at May 29, 2007 6:56 PM

#303 love that idea about the search party being sent from jack in the future. way cool idea.
#367 if that is juliettes sis how come jack didnt get in touch with juliette? surely he must know her phone number. he knows kates.
#383 that they go back to the time before they crashed would make sense about jack talking about his dad. humm
#385 nicely said. maybe if more people remembered what memorial day is really about we would have one less drunk driving fatality during this weekend. my son just joined and will leave for basic soon so i do hope that there is an end to the 'war'. just lets all remember that we should support the troops not the war. the troops are just doing their jobs just like we do every day

#430. Posted by: gay at May 29, 2007 7:40 PM

Okay i just had the most horrible thought.
what if they get off the island and then its just
"Life After Lost"
until 2010...

but i highly doubt that cuz i'm pretty sure Naomi is evil...

BTW...
Desmond jumped in the water with the list Charlie made for Claire which totaly sucks for poor old dead Charlie...

#431. Posted by: Maholowayan at May 29, 2007 9:33 PM

@ Cecil Rose: "Maybe it was the Hurley Bird in the coffin, thus preserving the string."

-That is funny. But, I actually looked forward in my mind to that ending...and I realized...that if I the series finales' last scene of LOST was an open casket with Hurley 'Don't Call Me Tucan Sam' Bird resting with a peaceful grin....I would commit straight Hara-Kiri (prn. Harry-Carry - def. ritual suicide by disembowelment practiced by the Japanese samurai or formerly decreed by a court in lieu of the death penalty....in case you didn't know) on the spot!!

@ (Dude, I Already Told You) I SAVED EVERYBODY!/#428: Hilarious!!!

@ I SAVED EVERYBODY!/#429: Not that hilarious. Let's hope you and #428 aren't the same person or you should make an appointment w/ Dr. Artz asap.

@ bcre8ve/#427: "And yet another observation from the blue...Anyone else not sold on Jacliet's kiss not being a first kiss? I don't recall ever seeing them kiss before but that certainly was not a first kiss."

-I completely agree. There was something about that kiss, maybe the non-awkardness they seemed to share, that seemed natural. I also believe that they are both sneaky, sneaky double-crossing mofo's that will together end-up in the end of the series....

***PREDICTION: END OF SERIES SPOILER***

....completely dominate everything together (because they are the only ones/team who have intimate knowledge of both sides) and end up having the opportunity to save all of the Losties. But, Jack and Juliete will end-up having to 'make a choice'....

1) Save everyone....but Kate has to perish in the rescue.

-to which Jack will NOT choose...

and 2) Jack chooses to save only Kate because he LOVES HER and also Jules is with him.....

...the THREE OF THEM ONLY get off the island....a 'couple?' years later in the real world...Jack is completely bummed out on pain pills because of the guilt of how many people he slaughtered (Ben says, 'I made a decision one day that killed 40 people in one day on this island and if you make that call, history is about to repeat itself on this island Jack.)..gee, what a coincidence - says me....he continues to try to get ahold of Kate who is his only support left, and he loves....she can't forgive him for what he did, so she doesn't answer her phone...Jack sees Juliete's obituary and freaks...you see, Jules has gone to live with her sister and 'young-Padawan-learner' Julian...but she got suddenly sick in her 7'th month of pregnancy and died...that damn magnetic island - says me....Jack gets ahold of Kate...'We Have To Go Back Kate!"...the end.

-Now...who is Kate with that will know she's gone...if we get that it's over!!!

I'm so lame...too much time....

***PREDICTION: END OF SERIES SPOILER***

Alas, I don't think the qualifies as spoiler material...so I basically just completely violated one of my 'only-blog-I've-ever-been-on-Rule-#-11'...darn.

#432. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 29, 2007 11:23 PM

I still don't buy the ending but if it is truly a flash forward has anyone given any thought that both Jack and Kate don't live in the same city and that one or both used their golden ticket to fly to the meeting site?

#433. Posted by: peb at May 29, 2007 11:42 PM

@peb/433 Good observation. I like the way you're thinking there. That would certainly explain why they met at an airport.

However, Jack flew into Los Angeles and the area code that Jack calls is 310 Santa Monica, CA, a suburb of LA. So while possible (Kate could have a CA cell phone while living elsewhere) it is probably unlikely. Of course, it could be that Kate is still on the run which would make your scenerio much more likely. It would also explain the lack of Kate's voice on her voice mail.

#434. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 30, 2007 8:09 AM

We still have to remember that Kate has a husband she's very much in love with. Plus, we still dont' know how she ended up in Australia.

#435. Posted by: peb at May 30, 2007 8:33 AM

Yes, she does have a husband but can she go back to him? He is a law officer and knows that she is a fugitive.

I for one would love to see Nathan Fillion come back to Lost.

#436. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 30, 2007 8:46 AM

#417: I understood Ben's references but I still think they are using the number 40 a lot. If Ben killed ~that many and now that many show up, it could be a test to see if Jack/Locke/whoever makes the same decision as Ben. Me thinks it's Jack.

Basically I don't think it a coincidence and would like to link them other than 40 being in a lot of bible references.

Still think Des is being played by Penny....

#437. Posted by: EthansGrrl at May 30, 2007 9:29 AM

Sorry, I wasn't able to read ALL of the messages. It's just too much!


First of al to answer mac's question:
I once started to read a spoiler, but when I heard about Walt coming up I quit reading because I wanted to wait and see.
Until the very end I was sure that it was a flashback. Even when Kate arrived, I thought "Did they knew each other?".


My theory: Jack and Kate get off the island with a helicopter (maybe only 2 can go). They promise to go back to rescue the other losties but aren't able to find the island again ("once you get off the island, you can never go back"). Jack "live together die alone", can't cope with the fact that they weren't able to save the rest and sinks deeper and deeper and wants to go back, like he said to kate (she was maybe speaking about her baby).
But this is not the end (it can't end like this), they return to the island and save the rest.


I 'm also in favor of what stocky (112) said about nobody having a reason to go back to their old life. They weren't supposed to go back. And Ben&Locke already knew it.
Maybe this has anything to do with it being these particular people who got on the plane.


I understand why some people don't believe they will ever get proper answers. The fact that the producers of Lost didn't know how it was going to end after the first season disappointed me. I hope they do now!


Wow, difficult to explain my thoughts in English. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say!
If I even understand myself....


Mary-Jane


None of them really has a REASON to go back to their old lives, but they are trying as hard as hell to do it anyway. I think this is a big part of what will be revealed in the character's back- (or future-) stories as the show progresses.

→ 112. Posted by: Stocky at May 24, 2007 03:06 PM

#438. Posted by: Mary-Jane at May 30, 2007 11:11 AM

Mary-Jane-
I can understand why the producers weren't sure how the show would end after season one. Look at how many series are cancelled before they even complete one season. It's similar to Lucas with Star Wars--he wasn't sure he would get to make more movies after the first. Also, as a writer I'm often not sure where a novel might go when I'm only a fifth of the way through. By the time I'm halfway or more, I have a much more solid idea of how I will end it (it may change a bit here and there as I continue developing, but usually the basic ending is fairly set by then.) I'm sure the writers know where they are going now. They may have some flexiblility as to how they will get there, but they know where they are going.
RNM- Meg is always first in line for a tasty breakfast of Crispy Seaplanes!
Also--loved your line about Cindy's carpet matching her scarf--classic!

Speaking of Scarfy the series finale will feature an epic battle between Scarfy and Smoky but both will be defeated in a surprise return of the presumed dead Patchy!

Personally I would love to see the last three seasons lead up to the flash forward of Jack that we saw. It would be a great set up for a whole new series of Return to Gillig-er-Lostie Isle. Maybe they could set up a luxury resort on the island when they get back and arrange for a performance by the Globetrotters against the Rockem Sockem Robots! Seriously--a new series where everyone gets together to go back could be way cool and open up a whole new world of possibilities. I would watch!
I b

#439. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 30, 2007 1:19 PM

I have to be honest I think there is no question it is Ben in the coffin. Jack hoped that Kate would go to the funeral, and she was obviously upset that he would think this. She even says "why would I go"? It is at this point that Jack describes his desperate desire to get back to the island. He realized that Ben was right all along and he wishes Ben would have kept them on the island. And of course when the guy at the viewing place asked family or friend Jack said "neither". If it was anyone else BUT Ben there would have been people there, even if it was Locke.

#440. Posted by: Jaycee3 at May 30, 2007 1:55 PM

I'm fairly new to this blog...just found it in the "spring season". Can someone explain the 'hurley bird' conversation to me?

#441. Posted by: notsoeasy at May 30, 2007 2:20 PM

I'm embarrassed to say that I chuckled at RNM's "it's legs are actually stocky jumper-cables." And I chuckled again at bcr8eve's joke "You can come in, just don't start anything." After reading 400+ posts I'm a little loopy I guess.

The 1/2 second they showed of Ben's initial surprise at seeing Locke alive was priceless. It would've been nice for Ben to not have been knocked out...then Locke could've given him the bird before disappearing into the jungle...

I don't think they'll have any trouble renewing any of the actors' contracts. What actor wouldn't want to be on a hit show with a definite end in sight? They know they'll be able to move on to something else in 3 short years. And I wouldn't read too much into any of the dead characters renewing contracts too. It could be as simple as showing up in one or two flashbacks over the next 3 seasons.

#442. Posted by: JoePike at May 30, 2007 2:20 PM

I don't think it will be Ben in the casket. Didn't the obit say he had a teenage son. I'm liking the idea of Michael. I have a feeling he'll be back and be a major player at the end. By how upset Jack was about the death, I think it has to be someone who's been there from the beginning, not a new character.
I also don't think the flash forward was a desmonition. Charlie even asked Des if he'd had any visions lately and he said "no". If he was currently having one about Jack in the future, he would have had a different answer--though he hasn't always been totally honest with Charlie about his flashes. He seemed pretty sincere this time though.

#443. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 30, 2007 2:27 PM

And for all those trying to come up with ways Charlie might not really die, I say:
El CID--The Charlie Is Dead!

#444. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 30, 2007 2:37 PM

notsoeasy--
The season finales for the first two seasons each had a cameo appearance by a strange looking bird whose sqwacking seemed to sound as if it were saying "Hurley". Naturally we all assumed that the finale this season would follow suit and contain yet another appearance. There's been speculation that it was a manifestation of Smokey.

#445. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 30, 2007 2:46 PM

I don't remember exactly who, besides Bernard were from the tail section, but how come no one has been asking about ALL the people that were abducted the first few nights on the beach? Is that part of the story EVER going to come up again?

Great recap, not just by MAC, but by everyone else with your great posts. I'm sure the writers of LOST are sifting through them and are jotting down ideas for season 4 as we speak.

So now that Rousseau has her precious Alex back, does that mean that she WILL leave the island? Its too bad, i thought her and Locke would have made a great Adam and Eve.

Anyone realize that Desmond's premonition was only of Claire and the baby getting into a helicopter? I dont remember him definitely saying anything about anyone else getting on a helicopter. Is it possible that ONLY claire and Aaron leave the island and everyone else gets stuck.

I am a big supporter of the idea that the real life Tsunami disaster of december 2004 will come into play in season 4. If I'm right, at the time that rescue seems most possible, all the water from the beach is going to drain away into the ocean(warning sign that a monsterous wave is approaching)
Then a 6 story wall of water is going to crush the rescue vessel off the coast and everyone is going to have to run and scramble for safety.

ATTENTION LOST WRITING STAFF: If you need an extra brainstormer, I'm available

#446. Posted by: marls at May 30, 2007 5:26 PM

If the Tsunami does hit, almost all of the residents are already on the highest part of the island. I hope Hurley and his van will save the ones on the beach.

#447. Posted by: peb at May 30, 2007 5:40 PM

Things that annoy me:

Debating either or neither, like the one person said, who would answer either (took me too long to read all of it to respond earlier). Are you friend or family? "either" yeah... either. This from the same people who have brough us cutting edge television, now we assume they have no command over common grammer responses.

Anger at acronyms

Debating the forward flash.... i mean really, the 2007 newspaper wasn't enough?


Other than that, I do have to say everyone that posts brings quite a bunch of good perspective to this show. We'll all be 99% wrong in the end, but it beats paying attention at work.

I also have to agree there is a good shot that the person in the casket is Michael, I think it very plausible that Walt ends up back on the island, thus he commits suicide cause he cannot get back. Plus he has no family. Outside of it being Ben or someone we don't know, there is no other reason for Jack to say Neither, and Kate to proclaim why would she show up?

I'm also deeply saddened Ninja Juliet didn't make it off the island, i was hoping for her and Jack to have ninja doctor babies, equally talented with a scaple and katana.

#448. Posted by: Slightly Visible Jacob at May 30, 2007 5:58 PM

My theory:

There are parallel universes and time dimensions and the island is a sort of intersection between them. Desmond isn’t really seeing the future. The island is allowing him to see a parallel universe where events have already taken place. He can alter the future of his own dimension based on these insights. Similarly, we didn’t see a future Jack. We saw a different Jack in a parallel universe where his father was still alive. In that same dimension, Kate has no freckles and Jack fancies a beard. Somehow there is a Walt out there that can really take advantage of the island’s ability to bring these universes together and he can appear between realities briefly. Jacob also has this ability and has used this power to control Ben. The overlapping of the parallel universes would explain a lot of the appearances of dead people and other phenomena. It explains how many of the Losties crossed paths in previous dimensions (like Libby being at the same hospital as Hurley).


#449. Posted by: Bill Messick at May 30, 2007 6:33 PM

@ bcre8ve - Do you suppose Srarf Face is the great grand daughter of Al Capone?

#450. Posted by: ButchM at May 30, 2007 6:37 PM

@446 marls said:

>I don't remember exactly who, besides Bernard were from the tail section, but how come no one has been asking about ALL the people that were abducted the first few nights on the beach?

Bernard's the only one left from the tail section. Eko, Anna Lucia, Libby, that Canadian guy, all dead, stew Cindy and the children kidnapped. I can't recall if there were any other adult kidnap victims, although I seem to recall they tried to get Eko when he killed two of them, and certainly Ethan tried to take Charlie and Claire from Losties beach. We *have* seen Cindy and the kids parading though the Bear Cages on Alcatraz Island like a school field trip, apparently all fine with being Junior Others. I'm surprised that nobody speculated Cindy was the Other woman on the beach raid -there was certainly a resemblance and we've been spotting Cindy all over the place, everywhere (falsely) lately.
But later I believe Ben or Tom or Ryan referred to her by name on the radio and it was a different name.

You and all the other newcomers - welcome. I went back to find when I first started posting and it was after last season's finale - I was very tentative - so afraid, it was like I was barging in to an established group and I was afraid of rejection. But this board has a lot of very friendly, funny, and creative people on it. Thanks to mac for making it such a friendly place, and step right up and weigh in with your opinion.

One word of advice, be cautious with the "Post" button. Every time you post, you're basically revising the whole blog entry to add your post, and it takes a while, at the beginning of which it may seem like nothing is happening. It's working, just give it some time. If you press it again, you'll wind up making two, or three posts, (and taking twice, or three times as long).

Glad to have you with us. Good luck, and Namaste.

#451. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 30, 2007 7:25 PM

If Lost wasn't big enough already, one university decided to offer a class entirely about the show....read below (as a college student myself, I am a bit jealous of this...)


http://tinyurl.com/35bv5b

#452. Posted by: michael at May 30, 2007 9:09 PM

Wednesday at almost 10pm and if all were right with the universe, I’d be scampering around the house with last minute pre-show prep for a magical, fantastical, sometimes frustrating, but mostly entrancing “Lost” experience. But it’s post-finale and I’m a little cranky, a little grumpy, a little depressed, and a whole lot out of sorts. Experiencing withdrawal, like Jack staring down the barrel of an empty Oxy container, with no fix in sight for 8 months. If only I could grow a Theodore Kaczynski Unibomber beard to better express my despair.

And what news have we today? The Season 3 DVD to be released December 11th. My feelings can best be expressed with this quote from Mr. Homer J. Simpson "Oh cruel fate, why do you mock me?!?"

(Sigh.)

#453. Posted by: Clementine at May 30, 2007 10:04 PM

Dec Freakin' 11th?? Seriously. Must they torture us? I suppose they guess that if they wait that long, everyone will go out and buy it in preparation for season 4.

#454. Posted by: notsoeasy at May 30, 2007 11:01 PM

Oh and #445/Crispy Seaplanes: Thanks for the explanation. I'd never heard that before! Now I have to go back and watch for it.

#455. Posted by: notsoeasy at May 30, 2007 11:05 PM

@Michael/452 I wish I had a class available to me when I was in college that had an hour of television a week as required watching, and articles from the New York Times instead of text books! Of course, back in my day the class would have been about the X-Files.

@ everyone who wants to take the time to read my meandering thoughts:

On a serious question, do you think anyone overheard Ben tell Mikhail to kill Bonnie and Greta? That was over the walkie talkie, right? And whatever happened to the walkie Paulikki had that Hugo and Sawyer found in their belongings after (well really, BEFORE) they died?

Poor Charlie, always sucks to be the guy voted off the Island just before the merge. Guess he shoulda tried harder in the Immunity Challenge. I noticed that Des put the top 5 list in his pocket as well. Serves Charlie right, Des told him to give it to Claire himself, didn't he? Or maybe December 11th we'll see a deleted scene where Des waterproofs his shirt pocket.

While I am at it, I was quite confused when I turned on Fox last night and saw a continuation of Jack's "flashforward". As if drug addiction, losing Kate's love and being benched as a surgeon wasn't bad enough, his three member team has all been fired or quit on him. At least he got out of LA to scenic Plainsboro, New Jersey!

And the Tsunami. The writers again lead us in the direction that the flight crashed over the Pacific. That's why Jack keeps flying trans-Pacific flights hoping one of them will crash, right? The Tsunami had no effect on the South Pacific. So unless we find out they're on the OTHER side of Australia this whole time, I really don't want to see the Tsunami. Either way, I already saw the HBO miniseries, that was enough Tsunami watching for me. Tsunamis are about as fun as, well, as watching Jack try to kill himself. So maybe we will get a Tsuanmi for Christmas after all.

I am still hoping the "real world" event from December 2004 will be Project Runway that Juliet alluded to in the finale. It would also explain those bizarre hobo clothes, totally looks like a PR challenge gone wrong!

#456. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 31, 2007 1:35 AM

Maybe when they referred to real life events, they were talking about Jack's flash forward. Since it took place in the present back on the mainland it might be considered real life as opposed to island life a few years ago.

I wish there was a way to justify the tsunami in the pacific but it just wouldn't work. It would have been a cool plot device.

Maybe they were just referring to the red Sox thing earlier this season.

#457. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 31, 2007 8:13 AM

Has anyone on here ever read "Tuck Everlasting"? It's a kids' book about a family who unwittingly drinks from the spring of everlasting life and they go through life feeling cursed because they can't die (or change at all) while all of their friends and family grow old and die. They have to keep moving from place to place so that people don't discover their secret (they want to protect others from the same curse). They are pursued by a man who is on to their secret and who wants to find the spring so he can sell the water for lots of money.

Last night (in a dream of all things) it occurred to me that maybe, just maybe, the island is a source for everlasting life and that's why it's so special and has to be kept so secret (according to Ben and Locke, at least). The Dharma people figured it out and sent people to live eternally separate from the rest of the world. The Others figured it out even earlier and don't want to share the secret with anyone else. Maybe one of the reasons Jack hates being back in the real world is because he feels cursed and he can't tell anyone why he isn't growing older or changing. The obvious argument against this theory is that people die on the show all the time. hmmm. I don't know how that would work. But, boy, when I woke from my dream last night, it felt like a real "aha" moment.

Thanks for your welcoming words, Cecil Rose.

#458. Posted by: mamaz at May 31, 2007 9:44 AM

When Ecko died I was upset because I liked his character but now I really think the show is better without him. He slowed down the pace and his back story was brutally awful.

#459. Posted by: alex at May 31, 2007 9:54 AM

@alex/459 "When Ecko died I was upset because I liked his character but now I really think the show is better without him."

Eko is one of my favorite Lost characters and I was disappointed when he died. I wish that his death would have had more of a meaning to it - more Chalie-esque.

Unfortunately, Lost is filmed in the real world where actors, agents, networks, time constraints, other comitments, etc. all intrude on plot lines. It would have been intresting to see where Lost would have gone with out all of these intrusions. Especially if the writes had known from the start that they would have exactly 6 seasons to complete the story.

#460. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 31, 2007 10:45 AM

@ButchM/450 "Do you suppose Scarf Face is the great grand daughter of Al Capone?"

Interesting question... Could it be that Jacob is Jimmy Hoffa? That could explain a lot. Ben certainly seems to think he's the Godfather of the Island.

#461. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 31, 2007 10:58 AM

@Deep Cover/91 "I think people who are exploring the physics of pressurized underwater labs, measuring the diameters of portholes and other such things are missing the narrative beauty of Charlie's story."

Thank you! My sentiments exactly. People need to realize that television is a medium with limitations. TPTB do well with the contraints that they are subject to.

Story telling as a tool will often take certain liberties in order to communicate a given point. The point of Charlie's death was not to prove or disprove the safety and reliability of exit points from underwater hatches but rather to demonstrate the beauty of the selfless act of laying down one's life for the lives of others.

Excellent post Deep Cover.

Now, having said that... C'mon, it's just as easy to exit a room and shut the door from the outside as it is to stay and shut the door from the inside. P~)

So why do we XargueX discuss such points? Because some people have the need to have events be within certain perameters of belivability while others are content to accept events at face value. But most importantly, we discuss because it's fun and entertaining.

#462. Posted by: bcre8ve at May 31, 2007 11:49 AM

@453 Oh, my darling, Clementine said:

>Wednesday at almost 10pm and if all were right with the universe, I’d be scampering around the house with last minute pre-show prep for a magical, fantastical, sometimes frustrating, but mostly entrancing “Lost” experience. But it’s post-finale and I’m a little cranky, a little grumpy, a little depressed, and a whole lot out of sorts.

Well, there's always the solution '24' fans have adopted. Once again the Amazing Steve is continuing to crank out recaps of 'differently realitied' shows - i.e. after the finale. Many fans prefer Steve's version.

He's doing it again this year folks!

http:\\blogs.herald.com\dave_barrys_blog\24\index.html

Make the slashes lean the other way for a true URL.

Can we "Lost" fans do any less? Who'll step up to the plate with a recap of 3-23(i)?

#463. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 31, 2007 11:51 AM

@Cecil Rose/463: Not it ;)

#464. Posted by: mac at May 31, 2007 12:00 PM

Michael,

The course sounds interesting. I was particularly interested in one of the elements of the syllabus, on "The Lost Experience" that referenced an outside reading: Mittel, "Lost in an alternate Reality."

I have no idea who Mittel might be, but noticing the similarity to the name of Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk, I wondered if there was any connection. However, a Google on the reference returns only links to information about the course. Oh, well.

#465. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 31, 2007 12:10 PM

Cecil Rose--that sounds like a job for ButchM to me!

mamaz--love the book Tuck Everlasting (The recent movie however not so much!)Maybe when Widmore shows up at the island he'll be wearing a yellow suit.

#466. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 31, 2007 12:21 PM

Don't know if many of you are familiar with The Onion, but this is their take on Lost's season finale...

Lost: Sawyer stuns the castaways by confessing that, many years ago, he killed a woman named Laura Palmer.

I dunno...I thought it was amusing...

#467. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 31, 2007 1:14 PM


I think I'm posting out of habit. It's gonna be a REALLY LONG WAIT. So here's my thoughts for this week.

I believe, in the first season, Damon and Carlton were asked "will the Losties ever get off the island?" and their reply was that they would but it would be a happy yet tragic one. After viewing the flash-forward in "Through The Looking Glass", I see the tragic occuring and it looks rather devastating. As some other fans have insisted, I believe that D & C are NOT making up the story as it goes along - except when new characters become popular like Ben and Juliet - and there is a carefully well thought out plan.

After a week, I still cannot get the season finale out of my mind. Everything about it was exciting, puzzling, dreary but more than anything
I'm really wound up about Jack. Is this the tragic Damon and Carlton talked about? Is Jack's downward spiral the reason Kate to kick him to the curb. At their meeting at the airport, she said to him "this is not gonna change". Kate no longer loves Jack but pities him.That's pretty damn sad since we've witnessed her love for him. On the other hand, Jack is usually chasing the woman he loves until he finally figures it out that SHE doesn't love him anymore. This time, he's chasing Kate but for a different reason - to get back to the island.

On a lighter note, Ben seemed to be having a VERY bad day. Everyone pretty much betrayed or kicked his ass in this episode.

#468. Posted by: amelia at May 31, 2007 4:17 PM

For those of us who LOVE to debate the details...

 Is it possible to ignite dynamite with a gunshot?
 Would a grenade work underwater?
 Can you break someone’s neck with your legs?
 Would Rousseau’s radio transmission have blocked the sat phone’s signal?

Fact vs. Fiction from Popular Mechanics:

http://tinyurl*com/3arqq6

(replace the * with a period)

Remember that great article on the undersea NASA research station with moon pool? I love Popular Mechanics! Some other questions I would like them to answer:

 Can an entire island be camouflaged from detection by satellites, ships and airplanes?
 Could a submarine be used for transportation to an alternate dimension?
 Can 2 giant hamsters on a wheel supply enough power to keep the Othersville chicken platters cold?
 Can a Hurley-bird jump start a VW bus?
 And finally, why is Sayid not in charge of everything?

#469. Posted by: Clementine at May 31, 2007 6:20 PM

Lost: Sawyer stuns the castaways by confessing that, many years ago, he killed a woman named Laura Palmer.

I dunno...I thought it was amusing...
467. Posted by: ransomjackson


The youngsters won't understand, but it was MORE than amusing, it was VERY funny!

#470. Posted by: davidrh at May 31, 2007 6:31 PM

Does this mean we should expect the Log Lady next season? I'll keep an eye out for Margaret Lanterman at the airport...

#471. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 31, 2007 7:06 PM

471. Posted by: FenwayBen

It just gets better . . .

#472. Posted by: davidrh at May 31, 2007 9:14 PM

WHEW 472 posts read over a few days. dang you folks are funny, witty, clever, nice, and amazingly smart. my only additions to the conversation are:
1-what if naomi really truely believes she is from penny, and has no idea that anyone else may be funding her.
2-naomi seems to have some power with the island as she heeled up so quick, so perhaps the knife in the back didn't kill her.

3-IT WAS THE FUTURE ACCEPT IT
4-PAPA JACK=DEAD ACCEPT IT

mac you know i adore you! thanks for the recaps see you in...jan or feb? holy lord...what will i do till then? actually go to the gym?!
L~

#473. Posted by: laura at June 1, 2007 3:01 AM

For the first show of season 4...if they do a 'Previously on Lost' intro, can it contain any scenes from the future-flash? Wouldn't they have to say, 'Previously, but partially in the future, on Lost' instead?

Personally I hope that the series does NOT lead up to Jack's depressing future life off of the island. Unless they roll into it and then continue to a more positive resolution from there. Like Jack and Kate actually DO go back to the island, make right whatever needs to be made right, then leave again and somehow live happily ever after.

#474. Posted by: JoePike at June 1, 2007 10:51 AM

Prediction - Jack's plane will crash and Kate will lead the rescue party to save him.

I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms

#475. Posted by: peb at June 1, 2007 11:10 AM

@469 Clementine said:

> Is it possible to ignite dynamite with a gunshot?

If it's old, unstable dynamite, leaking nitroglycerine, absolutely.


> Would a grenade work underwater?

Yep. Self-contained, no oxygen required.

> Can an entire island be camouflaged from detection by satellites, ships and airplanes?

Not with current technology - but maybe Dharma invented something...

#476. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 1, 2007 11:21 AM

Something else that's not been discussed (I think). When Mikhail is in the LG station he is surprised to see the two girls. He says something like "I thought you two were stationed in Canada?". Any theories on what is going on in Canada?

#477. Posted by: Charlie Farley at June 1, 2007 11:54 AM

@ Charley Farley 477

They're picking up some more Dharma brew: everybody knows we Canucks make the best beer!

#478. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at June 1, 2007 1:23 PM

@Charlie Farley/477 "He says something like "I thought you two were stationed in Canada?". Any theories on what is going on in Canada?"

Bonnie & Greta AKA "Charlies Angels" are not as in tune with the island as Patchy is; therefore, they do not heal as quickly. So they were sent to Canada for the free health care. Patchy was just rubbing it in.

#479. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 1, 2007 3:37 PM

@479/bcre8ve: Bonnie & Greta AKA "Charlies Angels" . . . . NICE! But, where's the third one?

In the above posts folks keep talking about Charlie should have escaped through the porthole. It seemed to me the porthole was way too small to fit through, although I don't recall seeing the exploded one. The one he floats back to after he dies is definately too small. (Unless you're a Hobbit.) Someone else also mentioned breaking the glass. Not so easy considering it was at least 4 inches thick to withstand the pressure of surrounding water. Probably closer to 6 inches. But then again, I'm a woman and you know what we've all been told about 6 inches...

How about a caption posting there mac? Are you on vacation already? We need you!

#480. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 1, 2007 4:32 PM

Hope I'm not too late

Thanks Mac GRAA

Ok I just got back from the best vacation of my life, on a little island in the West Indies called Nevis(it is very small and not highly inhabited I felt like I was on the Lost island). I did not get to watch the show till last night, was totally worth the wait.

Yes I did read every single post, here are the few things I have to add I have not yet seen mentioned.

* Alex lived with Ben she must have some kind of answers and she is now with the Losties she will prove to be a big help in the future.

* Sayid now has Juliet alone, let the interrogation begin.

* The look Juliet shot Tom gave me the chills I felt like she was about to shoot Sawyer. any thoughts?

* Why was Juliet so willing to go unarmed to the beach, because they are her people still that is why and she was going to meet them and go home.

* I have never trusted Desmond. He is the one making all the trouble happen. Patchy would have the Satellite phone if it were not for his flashes. Charlie would not have killed himself. The LG girls would be alive and well. What good has come out of his Desmonisions. Just because he see the future does not mean he has to make it happen.

@#446 Marls I keep wanting to know the same thing about the Tallies that were taken why did they join up so quickly with the Others.

@ Everyone who is upset that the writers did not know how they would end the series from the start. I might date myself here but who cares. I remember being very sad after reading my first Harry Potter book and finding out the author new she was going to write seven books, but had not yet figured out how she would go about it. She wrote one book at a time and I have loved them all, because she stayed true to the characters as well as her readers. Hopefully Lost does the same.

* how many of our Losties are on island killers?
Charlie, Sawyer, Michael, Sayid, Anna, Hurley, Eko, Bernard, Jin, Sun, cant remember anymore right now.
What will the consequnces of Killing be?


That is it for now thanks for a great season

2,4,6,8, who do we appreciate MAC

#481. Posted by: Dakota at June 1, 2007 4:50 PM

@BunnyLover/480 "Bonnie & Greta AKA "Charlies Angels" . . . . NICE! But, where's the third one?"

She already took off to the Great White North, eh?

#482. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 1, 2007 5:09 PM

@Dakota/481 "Ok I just got back from the best vacation of my life, on a little island in the West Indies"

You're not popping pills, reading obituaries and trying to get back are you? Just stay away from bridges.

#483. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 1, 2007 5:30 PM

Anyone still out there? (I think I hear an echo.)

If you have time, please read this “Theory of Everything” from Vozzek69 at DarkUFO:

http://tinyurl*com/37v2f8

(replace the * with a period)

If you were unhappy with dark nature of the finale future-flash, here’s a great reason for it not to be “true.” Or at least not the end.

#484. Posted by: Clementine at June 1, 2007 10:03 PM

@Cecil Rose/476:

> Can an entire island be camouflaged from detection by satellites, ships and airplanes?

Not with current technology - but maybe Dharma invented something...

Like Harry Potter's invisibility cloak?

Super-sized, of course :)

#485. Posted by: Clementine at June 1, 2007 10:11 PM

By the time Chahleee (as Des and Claire call him) could possibly get out of the room to shut the door from the outside, (a) Desmond would be inside glued to the TV with Penny on it just long enough to flood everything (thus killing both of them) and Charlie knew this, so he shut the door from the inside so save Des; and (b) Water is really heavy. One pint = 1 pound. And it was under at least 30 feet of pressure and flowing in fast. A few seconds more and there would be no way the two of them could have shut that huge door against water coming in a hole that big at that depth. So Charlie bought it to save them both. Not sure why he didn't swim out out the porthole, maybe because he took too long writing the message with the sharpie (he had the sharpie on him BTW, to those who wondered how he got it so fast... he used it to write his "greatest hits" in the last ep). I figure the escapable porthole was a goof in the set design w/regards to the script and they just went with it. They needed it just big enough for that shot of Mikhail with the evil smirk and the grenade to look awesome, that's probably why it was so big, and for no other reason.

#486. Posted by: catbarf the 3rd at June 1, 2007 10:26 PM

I think I have an answer to Jacks sadness in the future. :D I belive Jack, Kate and someone else (mabye Sawyer, Locke, Julliet ect.) leave the island. But leaving everyone else behind. The Funeral may have been the 3rd person off the island. These reasons may be why Jack says his 'not' a hero and why he is so down because he left these people to die on the island

The Funeral
I think the person in the Coffin may have been Michael as he left the island. Also Walt may have gone back to his mother so that is why no-one went to the funeral. Kate also said to Jack 'Why would I want to go?' this puts forward that Kate didn't like Michael because he put everyone in danger to protect Walt so that may be why Kate didn't want to go to the Funeral.
If you would like to message me about lost please contact - jinx_2500@hotmail.com

#487. Posted by: stuey at June 2, 2007 8:20 AM

I think I have an answer to Jacks sadness in the future. :D I belive Jack, Kate and someone else (mabye Sawyer, Locke, Julliet ect.) leave the island. But leaving everyone else behind. The Funeral may have been the 3rd person off the island. These reasons may be why Jack says his 'not' a hero and why he is so down because he left these people to die on the island

The Funeral
I think the person in the Coffin may have been Michael as he left the island. Also Walt may have gone back to his mother so that is why no-one went to the funeral. Kate also said to Jack 'Why would I want to go?' this puts forward that Kate didn't like Michael because he put everyone in danger to protect Walt so that may be why Kate didn't want to go to the Funeral.
If you would like to message me about lost please contact - jinx_2500@hotmail.com

#488. Posted by: stuey at June 2, 2007 8:20 AM

@stuey/488 "I belive Jack, Kate and someone else (mabye Sawyer, Locke, Julliet ect.) leave the island. But leaving everyone else behind. The Funeral may have been the 3rd person off the island. These reasons may be why Jack says his 'not' a hero and why he is so down because he left these people to die on the island "

Could well be. We know that Jack is willing to leave the island without the other Losties and return to rescue them later as evidenced by his attempt to leave via sub.

"Also Walt may have gone back to his mother so that is why no-one went to the funeral."

Walt's mom is dead. Her death is the reason for Michael and Walt being on the flight in the firt place.

#489. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 2, 2007 9:37 AM

"firt place"

Sorry about that. My keyboard ran out of "s"'s. I have restocked and am ready to go now.

Should have been "first place"

#490. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 2, 2007 10:36 AM

After looking back on the finale for over a week now, they biggest mystery on my mind is about Jack's beard. How is it always the same length on the island. And only after he gets off the island does he let it grow out.

#491. Posted by: middies at June 2, 2007 2:48 PM

Once he leaves the island he vows never to never shave again until he returns, and then he won't be able to shave! Thus, you are looking at years of growth.

mac - I think it's time for an off season discussion board...what do you all say??

#492. Posted by: meg at June 2, 2007 5:16 PM

oops - to many nevers in my last post...I will never never do that again.

#493. Posted by: meg at June 2, 2007 5:18 PM

@catbarf the 3rd/#486: Inquiring minds just have to know...what happened to catbarf the 1st & 2nd?

@bcr8ve/#489 & #490: Ha ha! That's the best excuse I've heard of for typos, ever. I'll have to remember that next time I mis a letter while typing. ; >

@meg/#492 ǭ: Do two "nevers" cancel each other out, like two negatives make a positive? ; )

#494. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 2, 2007 10:21 PM

@ all you guys and gals above...
You never cease to amaze me. It's 10:20 p.m. EST and here I am, pineing away wanting more and more comments from all my lostie friends. Thank you, thank you one and all...
Now, where the hell is mac.
oh, crap - I said hell...
HECK!!!! Sorry about that.
Where the heck is mac.
WE NEED A CAPTION.
(Also sorry about the all caps.)
I'd comment more, however, I know when the vodka has won.
@ bcre8ve - you are the bomb!!!

#495. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 2, 2007 10:27 PM

As Monty Python said " stop, this is getting silly"

#496. Posted by: old groover at June 3, 2007 2:26 AM

Has anyone see Smokin' Ace's? Matthew Fox and the guy who plays Richard Alpert were both in it! The guy who plays Richard kills Matthew Fox's character! Sorry, I know it has nothing to do with the final episode, but I thought it was interesting!

#497. Posted by: Matt at June 3, 2007 1:52 PM

Has anyone see Smokin' Ace's? Matthew Fox and the guy who plays Richard Alpert were both in it! The guy who plays Richard kills Matthew Fox's character! Sorry, I know it has nothing to do with the final episode, but I thought it was interesting!

#498. Posted by: Matt at June 3, 2007 1:54 PM

Seems to me that while the room Charlie was in would take on water from the outside, as soon as the level of water reached the top of the hole, it should have stopped coming in. There should have been an air pocket in the top of the room.

Also, Des and Charlie were going to leave. The water could not have flowed in fast enough to keep them from leaving as planned with or without the scuba equipment.


Seems to me that while Charlie made the sacrifice of his life (no pun intended), he didn't have to die. If he had left the door open, both of them should have been able to get out.

#499. Posted by: bill at June 3, 2007 3:46 PM

If we’re quoting Monty Python:

“I don’t think there’s a punch-line scheduled, is there?”
“And now for something completely different.”

We really need a new topic.


BTW, CIF(ivehundreth)

#500. Posted by: Clementine at June 3, 2007 5:04 PM

I got them Levi Button Fly,
Lost is gone for months (about nine),
501 blues.......

#501. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at June 4, 2007 10:04 AM

@bcre8ve

Hahaha, How did you know I was taking it so hard?

#502. Posted by: Dakota at June 4, 2007 11:12 AM

@ stuey/#488: re: Jack's future...

I'm sure you read all the posts, which is why I'm fining you $108.00 for copywrite infringement. My brilliant post '#432/End of Series Prediction' sounds cooler!

I look forward to checking out DavidRH's article.

I'll be doing a new LOST Question very soon. I have a thought provoking idea but am trying to come up with the right wording....oh yeah, and I'll work a little bit too.

#503. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at June 4, 2007 11:47 AM

@503 Red...Neck...Man said:

>@ stuey/#488: re: Jack's future...
>I'm sure you read all the posts, which is why I'm fining you $108.00 for copywrite infringement. My brilliant post '#432/End of Series Prediction' sounds cooler!

However, you are hereby ordered to forfeit the suit for misspelling "copyright".

The court has spoken.

#504. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 4, 2007 12:17 PM

@ Cecil Rose: LOL. Knew it! Damn Grammar-Police strike again! My bad.

#505. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at June 4, 2007 3:55 PM

@oldgroover - I think it's about time for you to sign off and get off
this blog! You sure seem to not like it.

#506. Posted by: Younggroover at June 4, 2007 5:33 PM

In light of RNM's "copywrite" faux paus, my tendency toward a lack of grammerly correctness, and in honor of all of the grammar police out there, I offer the following:

--------

OWED TO THEE HOMONYM
(A.K.A. ODE TO THE HOMONYM)

Homonym, Homonym, forever am eye odd bye thee,
Inn your're shadow isle four ever bee.

To grasp ewe - owe, suite mystery,
Wood bee sew grate, wood set mi free!

Aye oft attempt to billed - butt brake,
The English language buy Miss steak.

I've tried to change fore mini daze,
Too rid mi of my heiring weighs,

But best could dew, when passion dyed,
Was just give up and swallow pried.

And as eye bring this two a clothes,
You're mystery yet steel it grows,

Wheel aye ever grasp you're magic pros,
With patients, thyme, think eye, "hue nose?"

As fore all of those who think can spell,
and in doing sew, due it whale,

If you judge my wrighting pour,
and thinking eye should right no moor,

Inn discussed lend incite,
Hoping eye might start righting wright.

Do naught four get as tempers grow,
Eye did confess and toad ewe sew.

And that aye wish two chews too wrightly rite,
And sum day mite,
...butt knot too knight.


--------

I throw myself at the mercy of the quart.

#507. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 4, 2007 5:54 PM

Amazing....

#508. Posted by: kaytied at June 4, 2007 9:07 PM

BRAVO!!! BRAVA!!! BRA VOUGE!
bcre8ve has struck again and rules! I shall now nominate THIS for the best of the best.
I ham humor really ate ed.

I
yam
sofa
king
we
todd
ted
come
paired
two
be
create
tiff

(read s-l-o-w-l-y...)

#509. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 4, 2007 10:08 PM

@bcre8ve/#507: We are no doubt in the presence of a master of writing skills...we are not worthy! Thanks for a huge laugh... : ) : ) : )

PS—Did you ever see Sandra Boynton's work? You would enjoy it, I think...

#510. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 4, 2007 11:28 PM

Yes, bcr8ve rules. I still think her best post was #366 iirc under "The Man Behind The Curtain":

Baby Cries
Mommy Dies
Daddy Sighs
Lil' Bug Eyes.....

That was the best!

#511. Posted by: onelostdude at June 5, 2007 11:36 AM

But we, the grammer police, feel contrained to point out that "hue" and "who" are not homonyms.

#512. Posted by: Gramma Pole Lice at June 5, 2007 2:13 PM

@onelostdude

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that somewhere back in the last several thousand posts, bcr8ve admitted to being of the male persuasion.

#513. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 5, 2007 2:16 PM

Hey grammer police #512- hue cares what sexual orientation they may have? I'm sure homonyms are welcome on this site just as well as street people.

#514. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 5, 2007 2:38 PM

Hey Gramma Pole Lice (there’s a string of words I never expected to use),

My highly refined investigative instincts lead me to ask...are you typing on bcre8ve's keyboard? Because you also seem to be short on "s"s (contrained).

Remember mac's rule #4: Do not post under multiple identities and then have inane conversations with yourself. (Inane conversations with others are also highly discouraged, although often unavoidable.)

@mac: If you ever read this, may I mention that mac's rule #5 contains a typo (your're)? Perhaps, a Lost contraction (you’r’reverybody)? And your’re welcome. Anytime you need a nitpicker, here I am.

#515. Posted by: Clementine at June 5, 2007 4:16 PM

I throw myself at the mercy of the quart.

The final line was too much! Which quart - white, choocolate - or beer? LOL

#516. Posted by: ButchM at June 5, 2007 4:17 PM

Okay guys, I strongly feel the need to interject here - it is grammAr, not grammEr...sheez, I guess you are too busy with the grammar to monitor the spelling...:)


Yes, I always pictured bcre8ve as a man...not sure why. Okay....on to the new blog!

#517. Posted by: meg at June 5, 2007 4:50 PM

@bcre8ve:

Wow, I must say, wow! After a few attempts I was able to turn off my brain's spellcheck to get the flow. You definitely are a po'it if you don't already no'it (groan, and eye am knot).

Anyway, very nice!

#518. Posted by: Clementine at June 5, 2007 4:51 PM

@Clementine: Thanks for the catch! The offending your're has been sacked.

#519. Posted by: mac at June 5, 2007 5:01 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought\510 "PS—Did you ever see Sandra Boynton's work? You would enjoy it..."

I am not familiar with her work but will become so. I quickly glanced through her site and it definitely looks creative and fun. Thanks for the heads up.


@onelostdude\511 Dude, I'm a dude.


@Gramma Pole Lice/512 "But we, the grammer police, feel contrained to point out that "hue" and "who" are not homonyms."

Oh. ...um...er...it was a reference to Hugh Grant.?


@BunnyLover\514 Ha!


@Clementine\515 "...you also seem to be short on "s"s (contrained)."

"Con Trained" is the sequel to the Nicolas Cage thriller, "Con Air."


@ButchM/516 A quart of MacCutcheon, of course.

#520. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 5, 2007 5:03 PM

@bcre8ve: “Dude, I’m a dude.” LOL

@Cecil Rose et al
DarkUFO is posting weekly scripts of “The Lost Alternative – Season 4” with the first 2 episodes already available. The plot picks up directly from the finale. Entertaining read, considering the author is a 20-year old. Straight drama, no snark. (We would’ve had lots of snark ;)

http://tinyurl*com/2952ma

(replace the * with a period)

#521. Posted by: Clementine at June 5, 2007 8:47 PM

Sigh. Having insomnia in N.C. and looking at the calendar is NOT helping. has it really been only two weeks (tomorrow) since the Lost season finale? And do we really have to wait until Jan. 23, 2008 for another new episode? Is that possible? Say it ain't so! I claim cruel and unusual punishment ... for whatever that's worth! It is going to be one heckuva l-o-n-g summer. Not to mention the fall. Oh yeah. And winter too. Good grief.

#522. Posted by: GatorGal at June 5, 2007 11:37 PM

I have read numerous commentaries on the finale's snake in the mailbox moment, Jack's flash forward, as being the key to the direction of the show. For the long summer hiatus, I propose this meaty observation for the grill: the purge pit holds the biggest clue of the season. When the hostiles took out Dharma they used lethal gas. When we first saw with Locke the purge pit, there was one skull that had a bullet hole in its forehead. In the finale, when Locke is dying in the pit, his legs won't move, he reaches for the gun to end his pain. Instead of putting the gun in his mouth, to his temple, or over his heart, he points it at his forehead. He would have pulled the trigger if the image of Walt had not stopped him. With LOST's strange concepts of time, one can theorize that in the past, Locke did commit suicide in the purge pit by shooting himself in the forehead. Then in some other time line, this could put Locke on the island long "before" the plane crash.

#523. Posted by: welh at June 6, 2007 11:58 AM

@Cecil Rose #513: My bad. I must have missed that in the thousands of previous posts. I can't imagine why I missed it! :-)

@bcre8ve #520: My bad again. Thanks for the info. You certainly are cre8ve. I am just Lost (and Heroes, BSG, Jericho......)

I am certainly glad I do not to worry about the gender of tables, plasma screens, cars, chairs, etc. since I only type in English.

#524. Posted by: onelostdude at June 6, 2007 1:34 PM

@521 Clementine said:

>@Cecil Rose et al
>DarkUFO is posting weekly scripts of “The Lost Alternative – Season 4” with the first 2 episodes already available. The plot picks up directly from the finale. Entertaining read, considering the author is a 20-year old. Straight drama, no snark. (We would’ve had lots of snark ;)

>http://tinyurl*com/2952ma

The young man needs a poorfreader. A little pedestrian, and not the sort of humorous thing I think we'd do here. I don't really see the point of most fan fiction, but parody/satire - that's something else.

#525. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 6, 2007 4:20 PM

@522 GatorGal said:

>Sigh. Having insomnia in N.C. and ...


What's this? Another Tarheel? Me too! (Apex) And I think BunnyLover is, too. I'd assumed Florida from the screen name. Any more denizens of the Old North State on here? We'll have to plan an S-4 party in January.

#526. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 6, 2007 5:26 PM

Here's something to think on. Where the heck did Karl come from? He seems to be about the same age as Alex. We know Alex was conceived off the island. If all pregnant women on the island die before delivering, how did Karl get there?

o-----

Woo Hoo! My S-1 and S-2 DVD's (Complete with lotsa extras)- ordered through the links on this site, naturally - just arrived. Now I've got something to do with the off-season - as soon as I can find the time to watch them.

No, I didn't records this show from the beginning. It was somewhere in mid S-2 where I really got hooked and turned on the VCR. Then I tried to complete S-2 from the summer re-runs, but they stopped rerunning in the middle of the summer, without explanation. And with "Lost" still showing up on my cable guide schedule and in the newspaper - most annoyingly - I'd sit there poised over the "RECORD" button, only to have George Lopez reruns showing up instead. Two of them, back to back - week after week.

#527. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 6, 2007 5:39 PM

@ Cecil Rose/527

"And with "Lost" still showing up on my cable guide schedule and in the newspaper - most annoyingly - I'd sit there poised over the "RECORD" button, only to have George Lopez reruns showing up instead. Two of them, back to back - week after week."


Proof that if the show's characters are not in Purgatory, we all certainly are...

#528. Posted by: FenwayBen at June 6, 2007 8:49 PM

@ Cecil Rose/#525: New definition: A poorfreader is an impoverished editor. Oh, wait, that's all editors. ; > You meant it as a grammatical joke, yes? Or you were checking to see how closely we were reading? ; )

#529. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 6, 2007 8:53 PM

I may have found another historical/literary/whatever name. I am currently taking a Europe in Transformation class and came across a familiar name. In one of the prefaces to the "Communist Manifesto," Marx and Engels state that the first Russian translation of the Manifesto was translated by a man they simply name as Bakunin. This could mean nothing, probably, but I thought it was interesting.

#530. Posted by: Kyle at June 7, 2007 2:46 AM

@529 Alaïs_Longthought said:

>@ Cecil Rose/#525: New definition: A poorfreader... You meant it as a grammatical joke, yes? Or you were checking to see how closely we were reading? ; )

An APA (Amateur Press Association) I'm in sort of has a tradition of mangling "proofreader" in various and interesting ways "poofreader" "poorfreader" "porforeader" "porofradeer", that sort of thing. APA-L, loosely associated with the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society, if anyone's interested.

#531. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 7, 2007 9:58 AM


Post 430:
" . . In one of the prefaces to the "Communist Manifesto," Marx and Engels state that the first Russian translation of the Manifesto was translated by a man they simply name as Bakunin. This could mean nothing, probably, but I thought it was interesting."

Kyle - the truth is, that in college classes, information LIKE THAT is ONLY important to the PROFESSOR . . Trust me on this . . .

#532. Posted by: davidrh at June 7, 2007 10:04 AM

@ Cecil Rose: I'm in a group that has a tradition of collecting Canadian quarters...so...I got that going for me.

#533. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at June 7, 2007 10:06 AM

@530 Kyle said:

I may have found another historical/literary/whatever name...a man they simply name as Bakunin.

The anarchist philosopher was not only named Bakunin, but Mikhail Bakunin, an exact match to our island whack-a-mole. No one's sure if the philosopher names have any more significance than a C&L whim, but they are interesting.

And that's why many fans jumped to the conclusion that the partially visible name in the clipping that so devastates Jack in thie episode is "Jeremy Bentham", an Englissh philosopher and near-contemporary of John Locke.

However the full transcript of the clipping posted on some blogs and reposted here @247 by Sillygirl0630 has the name as "John Lantham". And in the screen caps I've seen that fifth-to-last letter in the second name does look more like an "a" than an "e".

Still, nobody that I know of has yet revealed (or maybe admitted) the source of the complete transcript, so we still ahve lots of room for speculations.

http:\\en.wikipedia.org\wiki\Mikhail_Bakunin

(Reverse the slashes for a true URL)

#534. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 7, 2007 10:22 AM

@533 Red...Neck...Man said:

>@ Cecil Rose: I'm in a group that has a tradition of collecting Canadian quarters...so...I got that going for me.

You're not my brother Charles, by any chance, are you? Sounds just like him.

#535. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 7, 2007 10:27 AM

@526 Cecle Rose said:
"What's this? Another Tarheel? Me too! (Apex) And I think BunnyLover is, too. I'd assumed Florida from the screen name. Any more denizens of the Old North State on here? We'll have to plan an S-4 party in January."

I think an S-4 party (or any party for that matter) would be really fun. Get to meet some of the amazing folks from this site. (Unless you're a serial killer or stalker - then please do NOT attend.) I can attest that I am an all American "normal" person who just happens to be addicted to LOST. Let's see how many NCers respond and we'll set a group date somewhere. (Raleigh?) Awesome idea - count me in!

#536. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 7, 2007 11:36 AM

@BunnyLover - I used to live in Raleigh - back in 1990-1992. Graduate of ECU. Lived in Greenville (of course) and Charlotte for most of my life.

Yes, a party would be nice. Yet, NO cereal killers invited (escept for Crispy Seaplanes, of course).

(Just thought I'd join in...)

#537. Posted by: meg at June 7, 2007 5:38 PM

Here’s a little something for y’all to gag over. Note that there may be TWO or more entries for some of the more familiar names. Consider yourselves LIKED ;>)

LAFFO IS A GASSO

By doing some e-x-t-e-n-s-i-v-e research, I discovered that our good buddy, Laffo, has a lot of friends and family. What I will attempt to do here is list each and every one of them, AND write a short statement about each. I think we can have fun with it. No biggie, but Laffo has a twin sister named miffo (meg is first, friends-o) but she isn’t too fond of her chuckling brother, and prefers the name “meg-o.” So when you see meg-o somewhere below, you’ll know it’s really Laffo’s twin, miffo. Hope you all can get a few laffs from this.


mac-o ... every time he sees his wife with a broom, he doesn’t know if she is going to clean or take a ride.

Davidrh-o ... defines “endless love” as Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder playing tennis.

Shikotee-o ... if sex appeal were sunshine, she’d be a snow storm.

Matty Matt-o ... is as ugly as 3 miles of scar.

meg-o ... the only way she could get a living bra is to set a trap.

vacc-o ... is a professional blind date.

ransomjackson-o ... always has the same problem - how to start his car in the morning and his wife at night.

thinng-o ... if thinng-o were alive, he’d be a very sick man.

Sillygirl0603-o ... made Phi Beta Kappa - one by one!

Alex (Not Rosseau-o) ...had twins recently - the copier repairman and his cousin!

Vikki-o ... is a terrific swimmer. She should be - for years, she was a street walker in Venice.

Glen-o ... is really ugly, even in Braille.

Trinity-o - told her boss she’d start at any position - they’re now up to the 45th.

Red...Neck...Man-o ... would epoxy a worm to the ground, so the early bird would get a hernia.

onelostdude-o ... once went to a mortuary and asked, “What’s cooking?”

Jon is Found-o ... a union official, he once told his son a bedtime story, “Once upon a time and a half ...”

Pieces of Mikhail-o ... a man of a few words - but he keeps repeating them.

Prosecutor67-o (sir!) ... likes to serve his guests a lot beer, then puts an “Out of Order” sign on the bathroom door.

GatorGal-o ... has ivory skin - and a head to match.
Was so excited to get out of kindergarten she could hardly shave her legs.

Red...Neck...Man-o ... put beer on his waterbed so he’d have a foam mattress.

PiecesofArzt-o ... thinks that mushroom is a place for necking.

ransomjackson-o ... has been known to bark up the wrong she!

Alais_Longthought-o ... his dialogue is so salty it can cure fish.

Usually Lurkin-o ... a politician - the speaker of his house!

PenFoe-o ... was told to just be himself - it was terrible advice.

Cecil Rose-o ... is a very bright man - just bought a bicycle with an air conditioner.
Believes that priests should be allowed to marry - that way they can see what Hell is like.

Mr Grimm-o ... doesn’t buy toothpaste because his teeth aren’t loose.

Clementine-o ... won’t eat ladyfingers unless they’re manicured.

Stocky-o ... dates a girl who can take a joke - - him.

boharpe-o... has a clear conscience (actually it’s a bad memory).

FenwayBen-o ... talks a lot because of heredity - his mother was a woman.

Deep Cover-o ... invests in Sweet Chariot stocks. The minute he buys them, they swing low.

Three men and a baby...I counted Hugo twice...O ... was an unloved child - was given drowning lessons.

bcre8ve-o ... worked his fingers to the bone for years - at the end of that time, he had very bony fingers.

BunnyLover-o ... after all is aid and done, BunnyLover-o keeps talking.
was only a salesman’s daughter, but gave away lots of samples.

I Saved Everybody!-o ... cologne smells like chlorine - people in the office think he has a pool.

Diggler-o ... his wife wanted beautiful red roses like the people next door, so Diggler-o waited till dark.

JoePike-o ... has the looks that turns heads (and stomachs, too)

Diveshaft-o ... It was a great party - the Italians brought wine, the Englishmen brought roast beef, the Frenchmen brought strawberry short cake, Diveshaft-o brought Hugo, meg-o and davidrh-o

meg-o ... thinks boycott is a male bed.
Thinks she’s a robot because she was made by a Scientist.

Hurley Burley-o ... didn’t last long as a salesman - one day he got three orders - get out, stay out, and don’t come back.

markthefish-o ... ideal vacation is to stay home and let his mind wander.

Dackers-o ... has been called mean, vicious and rotten, but that’s only his families opinion.

ANTP-O ... Such a miserable bastard that he calls “Dial a Curse” ;>)

petew-o ... his family used to hang around a lot, especially from trees.

welh-o ... when asked what Paul Revere said at the end of his famous ride, welh-o said, “Whoa!”

Connie-o ... friends were going to tar and feather her, but someone said, “If she wants to improve her looks, let her do it herself.”

Shikotee-o ... was going to get her hair dyed its original color, but can’t remember what it was.

Pieces of Mikhail-o ... his dog tags came with a collar.

ButchM-0 ... has 10 fingers like any normal person – 7 and 3.

Buck41-o ... when he goes on a picnic, ants don’t!

Usually Lurkin-o ... so ugly, even his answering machine won’t answer.

Dave-o ... has a face like a rhino, and once a month gets an urge to ram a Jeep.

ransomjackson-o ... RJ is a regular caveman. That’s where they keep him.

petew-o ... so ugly that his sister is an only child.

Laura-o ... is a rare beauty. Nobody can find it.

mapache-o ... didn’t tell spouse he wasn’t good enough for her - let it come as a surprise.

nikki c-o ... did not invent ugliness, contrary to popular belief.

GatorGal-o ... will never go to the moon - wouldn’t know what to wear.

meg-o ... for her, making a pie is a piece of cake.

Clementine-o ... looks like a million dollars - all green and crumpled.

PiecesofArzt-o ... even starvation couldn’t look him in the face.

Steph-o ... when she goes to therapy, the doctor makes her lie on the couch face down.

Alex (Not Rosseau-o) ... the only one who thinks she is a 10 is her shoe salesman.

just me-o ... so ugly that when she goes to bed, she puts her whole body up in curlers.

James-o ...his face could curdle a cow.

davidrh-o ... had towels made out to “him” and “what.”

ANTP-O ... is going to have his face capped.

Kathy-o ... one day she wore feathers. She was attacked by an ostrich.

Alais_Longthought-o ... went thru medical school – as a cadaver.

boharpe-o... went camping - the bears built a fire to keep him away.

Stacey-o ... when she called information, they told her to get a face lift.

Marty-o ... they said he was uglier than sin. Sin sued!

NotinKansaNEMore-o ... was born twins, but mother threw away the good one.

dantheman-o ... models for death threats.

lostsox-o ... took one look at his passport photo and decided he looked too sick to travel.

Marie-o .. Her make-up comes in a snake bite kit.

Clementine-o ... hates sex in movies - she tried it once but the seats folded up.

ct-o ... read a book about non-fat milk, but only skimmed thru it.

JT-O ... drives a ‘79. Not the year, that’s it’s resale value.

Jeff-o ... had a great vacation. He bought a station wagon and put the kids in the back - and he took a cruise.

Liz-o ... had her face lifted so many times, it’s out of focus.

jalex-o ... has a sunken bath tub (every time jalex-o gets into it).

The Face-o ... lives beyond his seams.

Dawn-o ... was some dish! The main dish at a luau!

PenFoe-o ... the last picture of PenFoe-o had to be taken by satellite.

Vikki-o ... dated an undertaker, but he was just after her body.

Kate&Jack=NOGOOD-O ... doesn’t enjoy running over people, as it’s too bumpy.

Tim Cox-o ... nickname is “earthquake,” because he can find fault quicker than anybody.

Cecil Rose-o ... CR is so vain that he once took a walk and was hit by a passing motor boat.

Mr. Grimm-o ... likes to kid around with the waitresses as he is playing for big steaks!

Andy-o ... doesn’t believe everything he hears, but that doesn’t prevent him from repeating it.

Kaytied-o ... can find a corner in the middle of the block.

WTF-O ... his weight keeps going down - and sideways, around, up ...

The Duf-o ... no man is an island but he comes close.

gables79-o (not to be confused with gables78-0) ... so heavy that each knee has a lap.

fan o’ lost-o ... is fired with enthusiasm - EVERY time!

Deep Cover-o .. He watches his weight - has it right out in front where he can see it.

DJ-O ... is here under difficult circumstances - wasn’t asked!

Ironfist-o ... started at the bottom - and worked his way down.

Jack_is_hot_n_jasper_al-o ... when told she was going to have twins, she said, “That’s impossible, I never double-dated in my life!”

Dan-o ... nobody could warm up to Dan-o - even if they were cremated together.

Jen-o ... gets excited when hearing four-letter words - like “sale.”

Melissa-o - in church, they put her behind the curtain - even when she isn’t confessing.

EthansGrll-o ... gained so much weight that when she put on her wedding dress, everyone went snow blind.

Three men and a baby...I counted Hugo twice...O ... so overweight that can’t get self and water into the tub at the same time.

One Eyed Willy-o ... carrying so much weight that he is barred from one-way streets.

Gfish-o ... been turned down so many times, he has hospital corners.

gay-o ... the waiter said, “here’s your coffee. It’s Brazillian.” Gay-0 replied, “Oh, so that’s where you’ve been!”

Mark-o ... bought his wife a mink! She keeps the cage really clean.

Stocky-o ...did well on Wall Street - until a broker jumped and landed on his pushcart.

FenwayBen-o ... says you can balance the budget by tilting the country.

callaway76-o ... is pooped every day - dreams every night that he is working.

Gerard-o ... never did a thing in his life - and didn’t do that well.

Trinity-o ... is so overweight that when she wears yellow, men whistle for her instead of a taxi cab.

Paige-o ... was going to get a face lift, but found out the price and let it drop.

Len-o ... a descendent of Noah - when he travels, he takes 2 of everything.

Julie-o ... an efficient homemaker. After dinner, she gives the kids something to play with in the tub - the dishes.

JoePike-o ... keeps a bowl of wax fruit on the table - in case a couple of mannequins drop in.

crowbar-o ... takes him 2 hours to watch “Sixty Minutes.”

equeyaya-o ... a librarian who faced over-booking at an airport.

Razzle Dazzle-o ... so thin that his teacher keeps marking him absent.

amelia-o ... nobody can cook like amelia-o, although they came pretty close in a prisoner of war camp.

Kim-o ... get more dirt out of the phone than she does the vacuum cleaner.

dominoghan-o ... was at a topless place and saw a sign that said, “Watch your hat and coat.”

Ian-o ... has no dates - even the light in his refrigerator never goes out.

littlelostlamb-o ... so unpopular, had to go to the Sunday tea dance on Wednesday.

EricS-o ... some men are fat and ugly - not EricS-o, he’s thin and ugly.

Kyle-o ... took his wife to Italy 2 years ago - you know how it is, you always take something you don’t need.

Dharmabum1-o ... thought about a job as a jester but was only fooling himself.

marissa-o ... complained about not being wanted, so boy friend went to post office and put her picture up.

mapache-o ... talk is cheap and in addition, mapache-o gets it wholesale.

The Other Other-o ... can make coffee nervous.

biohazard-0 ... has a tongue that could clip a hedge.

hurling-o (his - hurling-o is second) ... doesn’t get many laughs, but the smiles are deafening.

Mary-o ... only likes sex in the days that have “d” in them.

jamama-o ... thinks “damn” and “taxes” are one word.

grannyv-o .. Broke her jaw ... husband called doctor and said for him to drop by when he returned from his vacation.

AnotherMeg-o (not to be confused with Laffo’s twin sister, miff-o) ... an unemployed school teacher, she has no class.

markthefish-o ... when grilling out, was afraid he’d burn the meat, so put suntan oil on it.

jill_in_az-o ... should stick to washing, ironing and cooking. There’s no reason for her to work.

Dackers-o ...loves tennis - and anything else that calls for an argument.

middies-o ... front teeth are so far apart, he/she should get severance pay.

Hurley Burley-o ... very shy - his answering machine said, “Hello, I’m in right now, but you probably don’t want to talk with me.”

weepict-o ... only has one tooth, but it comes in handy for opening beer bottles.

Diveshaft-o (not a singing group) ... once played hooky from school - the teacher sent a “thank you” note.

drew-o ... his accountant saves him time - five, ten years!

Diggler-o ... a church-going Texan who thinks that when he dies, he’ll be able to stay in Texas.

Sheila-o ... asked the mirror who was the fairest of them all. The entire wall broke!

Ham-o karen-o ... For years was an unknown failure - now is a known failure.

Ross-o ... he is thrilled to be one of God’s frozen people.

Sean-o ... has been admired for years - none of them recently.

Brittany-o ... get up early in the morning - so she’ll have more time to hate her ex husband.

Yensalt-o ... has no prejudices - hates everyone equally.

Irish-o ... very familiar with hard work - has fought it for years.

kateisalwayshot-o ... has a plan for business - it’s called neglect.

Rainmom-o ... next time she gives her OLD clothes away, she should stay in them.

I Saved Everybody!-o ... makes silence such a wonderful thing to look forward to.

lost with Jack-o ... wasn’t born yesterday - nobody could get that ugly in 24 hours!

nat-o ... has all the charm of a dirty Christmas card.

Bill-o ... you could say that Bill-o is warm, generous and giving. You could say that, but it wouldn’t be true.

Sillygirl0603-o ... looks like a canvas - oily.

lostgrrl-o ... never knows what she wants until the lady next door gets it.

chudan-o ... has a GREAT singing voice - sounds like a cow who stepped on her udder.

Lauren-o ... her hope chest was filled with linen - they ran out of silicone.

Christine-o ... has so many wrinkles, she can hold 10 days of rain.

Archie-o ... shouldn’t go to a shrink, he’s small enough already.

lostisweird-o ... eats so much fish that he can breathe thru his cheeks.

Red...Neck...Man-o ... once cut his lips on his wife’s coffee.

UK Freddie-o ... The third degeneration of his family.

Real Lost-o ... has the only garbage disposal with ulcers.

cambridgegirl-o ... very, very neat! Every wrinkle is in place.

Lori-o ... doesn’t want to be liberated yet. First she wants to be captured.

Lovelost-o ... has a new job, is a marriage counselor for the Pope.

Prosecutor67-o (sir!) ... quit his job as an attorney and is now a life guard at a car wash.

August Paul-o ... know when it’s time for dinner - the smoke alarm goes off.

MeMeMe-o ... talks to self, but is such a bore.

scoopdownunder-o ... has no kitchen skills - opens an egg with a can opener.

BunnyLover-o ... lived by the creed that when God made man, She was only fooling around.

Slightly Visible Jacob-0 ... just wondering what convention he is leftover from?

rinz-o ... is very cool - works in a meat locker!

Kristine-o ... wants equal rights with men (she has no ambition).

Wade-o .. A renowned chef - favorite utensil is his soup knife.

roberto55-o ... would like to have his head for my rock garden.

wendy-o ... puts on a wig, fake eye lashes, falsies, fingernails, ten pounds of makeup, and then goes around complaining that she can’t find a real man.

leegull-0 .. Takes his girl everywhere. It’s better than kissing her goodbye.

Dana-o ... takes his wife out to dinner on Halloween as he doesn’t have to explain her.

lost fan-o ... wouldn’t hurt a flea (lost fan-0 has so many of them)

peb-o ... is definitely going places - and the sooner, the better!

bcre8ve-o ... heard a woman libber yelling, “Free woman, free woman,” and asked, “Do you deliver?”

Emily-o ... can never be President - would have to admit she’s 35.


Please - no one be offended. This has all been in jest - just something to keep our filthy minds occupoied ;>)



#538. Posted by: ButchM at June 7, 2007 6:44 PM

@Cecil Ro_e 527/489/490/512/515

"No, I didn't records this show from the beginning."

In entry 490 above, I made mention of the fact that I had run out of a certain letter. In entry 512, Gramma Pole Lice, feeling a little contrained, too ran out of the aforementioned letter.

But, I have noticed that a certain per_on apparently ha_ an abundance of them. Ye_, even enough to randomly and carele__ly throw them in place_ where they are not needed - like on the end of word_ like "record." You then had the audacity to follow through with two more word_ containing above mentioned letter! Behavior like thi_ lead_ me to _u_pect that you might be hoarding letter_.

You know that many people in the world can't afford thi_ kind of extravagance. Many le__ fortunate _oul_ have to bugdet and ration for month_ ju_t to _crape together enough to form one word. They can only lie awake in bed at night dreaming about a full _entence.

Do you know that there are kid_ in China that don't even know what an "_" i_?

Can't we end thi_? Can't we all ju_t get along?

_ave the "_"'_!!

(I think I feel a telethon coming on.)

#539. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 8, 2007 12:49 AM

meg--
I'm not from anywhere near NC, but it's nice to know I'm welcome to crash the NC S4 party! I'll bring my spoon--we cereal killers only use spoons, no knives, machetes, or gloves with blades on each finger!

#540. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at June 8, 2007 12:27 PM

@424 bcre8ve

If I remember correctly Penny said "what boat?" along with "who's naomi?"
I'm pretty sure even if Penny doesn't know one of the individuals working for her she should at least know there is a barge sitting off an island that she hired to sit there and monitor.

Next, the obituary is interesting but what if the producers never really intended people to decipher it. I mean seriously I couldn't see any way of reading it from watching it in Hi-def. Granted, the producers throw these things in there for the viewers to dig in and find easter eggs and whatnot, but what if they chose a random obituary out of the local newspaper who happened to be Jeremy Bentham (name wasn't even that clear). That's why it is probably Ben.

#541. Posted by: matt s at June 8, 2007 1:05 PM

I haven't seen any speculation on this, but notice that neither Penny Widmore *or* the guy who asnwered Naomi's sat-phone displayed any consternation or puzzlement at being told they were speaking to a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815.

So maybe it's *not* common knowledge that "Flight 815 crashed with no survivors" because there was no fake-crash, as has been speculated. Maybe it was just a cover story Naomi was briefed to give, for some reason, and the guy on the phone doesn't know about it, and either Penny doesn't know about the cover story or maybe has no connection whatever to the people on the ship (assuming there is one).

#542. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 8, 2007 2:04 PM

@Butch M/#538: Just an FYI...it should be "her" tongue was so salty it cured fish.

All the little fishies
Swimming in the sea
Have been thoroughly salted
By lil' ol' me.

; >

#543. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 8, 2007 3:09 PM

@ 532.davidrh
Believe me, I've had that knowledge for a while now. But, it may be useful in that I could find connections with Lost in almost anything. Like my coaching golf class. I could really help Hurley with his swing.

#544. Posted by: Kyle at June 8, 2007 3:19 PM

Oh ButchM, I didn't realize you knew my mom! Be sure to say hi for me. She is, like most of the bloggers, in North Carolina. In fact, maybe she is also one of your mothers, and the rest of the bloggers will find out in a flashback but the two of us will have no idea!

#545. Posted by: FenwayBen at June 8, 2007 4:32 PM

@matt/541 "If I remember correctly Penny said "what boat?" along with "who's naomi?"
I'm pretty sure even if Penny doesn't know one of the individuals working for her she should at least know there is a barge sitting off an island that she hired to sit there and monitor. "

Oh, I agree with you and stated the same thing later in the post. The point of the post was "the beauty of the ambiguity of the writers." They leave just enough doubt that it leaves you second guessing. Penny and the boat is just one example.

#546. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 8, 2007 4:38 PM

Alaïs_Longthought/543 said:
“@Butch M/#538: Just an FYI...it should be "her" tongue was so salty it cured fish.”

Translation:
“Dude, I’m a Dudette!”

:) Hope everyone had a nice weekend.


Slightly off-topic…just watched a fascinating “60 Minutes” piece called “The Sea Gypsies” about the Moken, a nomadic people who live on the coast of Thailand and Burma. They live mostly on and in the water and survived the tsunami by recognizing the signs and moving to higher ground. The signs were described in a tale passed down through their culture of “the sea that ate people.” There are no words in the Moken language for “want,” “worry,” “when,” “hello” or “goodbye.” When asked their age, they have no idea, because time has no meaning in the Moken culture. Being nomadic, they don’t value possessions of any kind.

A hard life, but I am jealous of their ability to live absolutely in the moment. And their communion with the environment did remind me of Ben/Locke’s discussions about being connected to the island. The Moken were dismissive of not only the tourists, but also the other locals who didn’t recognize the warning signs of the tsunami. They basically said “they look, but they don’t see.”

Note: No 4-toed statues appeared in this story :)

#547. Posted by: Clementine at June 10, 2007 8:53 PM

@Andy #66: I totally agree. We now have to figure out why it's bad that they get off the island.

Jack said to Kate in the FF (flash forward) that they made a mistake and weren't supposed to leave, and he was trying to go back. But why go back if nothing's still there? Either Jack just can't get a grip on reality and wants to live in the past (which, if he could live with a beard like that, is totally possible), OR one of two other options: There are still people there who they left behind, or there is an issue with leaving the island itself, like it needed him (or..them).

If I remember right, Kate didn't look super happy, either - although maybe she was just annoyed with Jack. I think I remember her wearing super heavy eyeliner ("she looks like a Richard Alpert wannabe" was my thought at the moment). Also, maybe she's not in prison and has a generic voicemail because she adopted a different name when they escaped. She did have a stolen ID on her when she was trying to get on the raft.. Although, if Jack is tired of lying, it leads to believe they were all bribed to lie about something (people left on the island, what really happened to them..) and maybe part of Kate's bribe was to drop all charges.

And the freighter might not be what ultimately rescues them. The typhoon might affect it (although, I'm not sure the island is in the right ocean for that), or the Losties might open a can of whoop-ass on them. And while we know that Claire and Aaron climb into a helicopter, I think it's interesting that we still *don't* know that they actually make it off the island... Lots of things could happen to prevent that. (I hope they don't, though)

@Meg 387 & Clementine 396 -- Wow, I feel lame! I did NOT notice all the Lost actors in 24 - thank you for pointing it out! I know Jin was an agent that was killed this season or last (Mike somebody?), but when were Desmond, Ben, Bonnie, and Greta on 24? Being a big fan of both, I'm kicking myself for not noticing that.. (and Clementine, I totally agree that 24 has been very sub-par this season, and also kinda last season. Offing any likable character other than Jack, if you ask me.. I just read an article, posted somewhere in this blog about the Amazing Steve's 24 continuance, that notes that the last 2 seasons were not mapped out and had no direction according to the producers. Yikes! They promise to fix it.)

@RickN 409: I definately agree there's a good chance that ship belongs to the Hanso Foundation. And since Locke pushed the 77 meaning there's hostiles.. Either that was only to blow up the communications building, or it gave the Hanso Foundation a message and they're going to mistake the Losties for the hostiles.

@ButchM 450.. Scarf face, great grand-daughter of Al Capone.. *Love it!!*

@ those of you worrying about Charlie's Top 5 list..
He wrote it in Sharpie, which is a permanent marker. Sharpies are not water soluable, which means the colors in the ink do not run when they get wet like most pens would. I work with kids and we just did a scientific experiment on that. His list is probably a little blurry, but ok.

@ Dakota #481: "Sayid now has Juliet alone, let the interrogation begin." I'm with ya on that one!!

#548. Posted by: seakay at June 11, 2007 1:19 AM

There are a lot of posts so I'm not sure if anyone's made mention of this yet, but this is from the abc wesite:
======================================

The Obituary
Throughout the flash forwards of "Through The Looking Glass," season three's game changing season finale, Jack was distraught due to a piece of a newspaper. While we never see the whole article, this was posted on the Fuselage (if anyone has the link, please add it), reportedly by a LOST staff member.

Take it with a grain of salt until further confirmation appears:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.
Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.
Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.
According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.
Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

Theories:
I believe it was Michael. He is survived by a teenage son Walt his only surviving relative who hates him for leaving his friends and dog on the island so wont go to his funeral but is his father so wants him to have a showing out of common decency.

Michael was an artist and living in a loft, of course, is very typical. He also would have changed his name since Ben told him he could never tell anyone about the island.

You will also notice that The (sic) Latham, not Lantham. Later John Latham was an artist from Zambia that died in 2006 and he and his wife devised the idea of 'flat-time', based on the theoretical physics of Event Structure.

Michael was 1 of only 3 characters from NY. The others were Rose and Bernard from the Bronx.

=======================================

End of article. Maybe that answers some of the questions I was reading here earlier...

#549. Posted by: The Kid at June 12, 2007 1:17 PM

Assuming anyone's still reading down here ---

You might want to check out the summer replacement series that's going on in Lost's time slot "Traveler". What seemed like a typical road series (Three grad students emulate Jack Kerouac with a post-grad-school road trip before taking up their careers). The road trip unravels before it can get started as one of the three (Traveller) apparently frames the other two as terrorists - or is he killd *by* terrorists? It quickly develops the person they shared a house with all through grad school has no provable existence. And *everybody*, FBI, police, even one of the two's rich daddy seems to be against them, except for the mysterious (bellhop?) who helps them evade the initial dragnet. Nothing is what it at first appears to be... sounds like familiar territory for Losties.


Another summer show I can recommend is the new "John from Cinncinati" on Sunday nights on HBO. I was really prepared to hate this show because producing it was what led the producers of "Deadwood" to cut it's last seasson. Instead, one show in its got me hooked.

Don't let the title mislead you - it's set in Imperial Beach, CA, just north of the Mexican border (near San Diego). It first apepars to be about the surfing Yost family. Patriarch MItch was a championship surfer back in the day until he blew out his knee. Now he and his wife rein a small surf shop near the beach. He's still bitter bitter that, and about the Surfer sponsor companies he blames for addicting his son, Butchie, to smack. Thus he doesn't want his grandson, Butchie's son, (who he and his wife have custody of) to get into competition surfing - but it seems to be in his blood.

But again things aren't always what they seem, as Mitch one day after an early morning surf Mitch finds that he's having a tendency to float a few inches off the fround, and fears it's a hallucination and symptom of a brain tumor until he finds Butchie can see it, too. And into his life stumbles the eponymous "John" who seems to have strange powers, and a chamelion-like emotional adaptabilty to those around him. OK, I'm hooked.

#550. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 12, 2007 5:34 PM

Hey Kid - nice post #549. Best analogy I've seen so far re: Michael. I agree 99.96%.

And yes, there are people still reading this Mr. Rose. Thank you for the alternate viewing replacements for LOST. Think I'll stick to my DVD collection however. Somehow I fear nothing will compare to it and I just don't feel compelled to commit myself to another series for the summer. So much to do... so little time...
You know I adore you CR - thanks for the best bartering I've had the pleasure of participating in... ouch, ended with a dangling participle (participal, particle, partical, principal, principle... crap...
The spelling pole lice are gonna get me for sure!)

Hey Mac - maybe it's time for a caption posting???

#551. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 12, 2007 11:37 PM

Hey! Kyle's post @544 just put us over the record for "most commented" blog entry in the Lost Fodder chain, breaking the 543 for "The Man Behind the Curtain". And every one from here on raises the bar. (Just doing my part.)

#552. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 13, 2007 1:18 PM

Ahh, the captions. If there's someone out there with photo chops who would like to be in charge of weekly captions, drop me a line at mac@filmfodder.com.

#553. Posted by: mac at June 13, 2007 1:45 PM


Wow..just checked by to see if anyone's still posting...and we are! Amazing.

Anyone know about the gossip tidbit about the "diva" on the "outs" with their fellow Lost cast mates??

#554. Posted by: amelia at June 13, 2007 3:41 PM

LTR/FTP

How do we know the flash-foward scenes were in chronological order?
Obviously the accident on the bridge came before the hospital scene;reading the obit occurred before the visit to the funeral home. But, do we really know if the meeting between Jack and Kate happened AFTER the other events?

#555. Posted by: BABS at June 13, 2007 3:54 PM

To pass time while waiting for Lost S4, I've been playing "Spot the Lostie" (STL). The biggest STL was in the film "Smokin' Aces" where I got to see Jack and Richard! Jack was a security tech and sexy Richard -- a hit man! Richard kills Jack...I cracked up during the entire time! Cool movie though... Maybe Dom had the right idea to graciously exit Lost now rather than risk the chance to be forever known as "Charlie".(versus the Hobbit? I know. But I've never seen The Lord of the Rings..and don't want to.)

@ 550. I too am an HBO fan! Actually, I sent several emails to Lost's Damon and Carlton begging them to ditch ABC for HBO..lol. Anyway, I haven't watched JFC yet but my summer Lost replacements have been "Big Love" and "Entourage". I even watched the Soprano's series finale and was kinda like um...WHAT? Then it dawned on me that perhaps Tony, family and friends will always live in the unknown. I guess that was the point. I'm hopin' that was the point!

#556. Posted by: amelia at June 13, 2007 4:09 PM

To pass time while waiting for Lost S4, I've been playing "Spot the Lostie" (STL). The biggest STL was in the film "Smokin' Aces" where I got to see Jack and Richard! Jack was a security tech and sexy Richard -- a hit man! Richard kills Jack...I cracked up during the entire time! Cool movie though... Maybe Dom had the right idea to graciously exit Lost now rather than risk the chance to be forever known as "Charlie".(versus the Hobbit? I know. But I've never seen The Lord of the Rings..and don't want to.)

@ 550. I too am an HBO fan! Actually, I sent several emails to Lost's Damon and Carlton begging them to ditch ABC for HBO..lol. Anyway, I haven't watched JFC yet but my summer Lost replacements have been "Big Love" and "Entourage". I even watched the Soprano's series finale and was kinda like um...WHAT? Then it dawned on me that perhaps Tony, family and friends will always live in the unknown. I guess that was the point. I'm hopin' that was the point!

#557. Posted by: amelia at June 13, 2007 4:10 PM

If the Others (Ben) killed a lot (all?) of Dharma people (the purge) when he was still a young man how could Juliet have been recruited by Dharma and sent to the island only 3 years ago?

#558. Posted by: Pedro Fortes at June 13, 2007 6:31 PM

...or Juliet was recruited by "the company" / Widmore?
Who supports the others from outside?

#559. Posted by: Pedro Fortes at June 13, 2007 6:39 PM


@ 558. Ben's timeline:

Ben came to the island when he was about 10-12 yrs old with his father.

The Dharma purge seemed to have occured when Ben was in his late 20's or early 30's. Ben became the defacto leader of Dharma although he really is now an Other or a Hostile, like sexy Richard. I believe that Dharma headquarters (wherever that is) thought that they were still a functioning group allowing Ben and crew the opportunity to pursue their goals with the use of Dharma money, equipment, housing, food..etc. But then Locke entered "77"...so maybe there will be some type of Dharma site audit next season...lol Hey, that would be a great epi title "The Audit"..

Alex was kidnapped from Danielle (the french chick) about 16 years ago.

Juliet, recruited by sexy Richard, arrived 13 years after Alex's kidnapping.

#560. Posted by: amelia at June 13, 2007 6:49 PM

With all due respect, CR, I can't recommend either of those shows. Traveller is like a cross between Prison Break and Lost, there's little that feels new about it to me, and after several episodes I still have no connection or rooting interest for the main characters. I watched the first episode of John from Cincinnati this weekend as well, most notable for trying to break Deadwood's swearing record. I wanted to like the show, wiuth the intergenerational conflict and the mysterious Christ-like title character, but by the end of the first hour the only thing I felt was relief, that it had ended. Maybe I've just raised the bar too high, and there's no replacing Lost and the Sopranos (the shows whose timeslots these new shows are taking over).

Hope you enjoy them CR, I'll be watching the new seasons of Big Love on HBO and Doctor Who on SciFi, all while waiting patiently for January...

#561. Posted by: FenwayBen at June 13, 2007 7:36 PM

I just finished watching seasons 1 and 2 again. While watching the finale of Season 2 I did notice that Vincent is in the boat with Michael and Walt. Now he's on the island. I never noticed that before. Is this old news?

#562. Posted by: marlisa at June 14, 2007 3:35 PM

@ marlisa / 562:

My boyfriend and I had a debate on this recently, which the good folks of this blog cleared up for us. I guess in the tv version, the dog was not on the boat, but they added it into the dvd. Why, I don't know, because it makes no sense that way. But there ya have it.

#563. Posted by: SeaKay at June 14, 2007 4:48 PM

@562 marlisa said:

>I just finished watching seasons 1 and 2 again. While watching the finale of Season 2 I did notice that Vincent is in the boat with Michael and Walt. Now he's on the island. I never noticed that before. Is this old news?

Are you watching the DVDs with 'extra' and 'deleted' scenes? It's my understanding that Vincent was on the boat in one of these, but it was cut from the broadcast version, thus not becoming canon.

I just got the S-1, S-2 DVDs, but haven't had the opportunity to watch them, yet.

#564. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 14, 2007 5:04 PM

Stop! Hold the Presses!

I just discovered incontrovertable proof that Jack's 'flash forwards' take place in an alternate reality.

I was rewatching the episode, and in the scene where Jack goes to the Hoffs-Drawler Funeral Parlor, he gets out of his car on the opposite side of the street, walks across in the middle of the block, causing a Saturn to screech to a halt to avoid hitting him, then proceeds across the street. As he crosses, the next car to pass immediately behind him is an LAPD patrol car. AN LAPD PATROL CAR!

As anyone who's lived in LA will verify, there's one offense that the LAPD and LA Sheriff's office have absolutely no tolerance for...

JAYWALKING!

LA cops will drive past a bank robbery and a donut shop at quitting time to cite a jaywalker. The fact that Jack walks across that street unmolested is proof positive that the scene takes place in an alternate reality.

#565. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 15, 2007 12:00 PM

@ Cecil Rose / 565

Hahaha, I second that notion! Great observation. My only counter theory is that perhaps just down the street was a whole *group* of jaywalkers, and they were either celebrities or out-of-towners.

-CK

#566. Posted by: SeaKay at June 15, 2007 1:24 PM

@Cecil Rose/565 "LA cops will drive past a bank robbery and a donut shop at quitting time to cite a jaywalker. The fact that Jack walks across that street unmolested is proof positive that the scene takes place in an alternate reality."

@SeaKay/566 "Great observation. My only counter theory is that perhaps just down the street was a whole *group* of jaywalkers, and they were either celebrities or out-of-towners."

Sorry, but you're both wrong. They didn't stop Jack because were too busy taking Paris Hilton home.

#567. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 15, 2007 3:20 PM

Touché!

#568. Posted by: SeaKay at June 16, 2007 4:53 PM

We can't let the last post of the S3 blog be "Tushie". Come one--someone--anyone--please come up with some witty way to wrap up the season! RMN--you are the new always last--any last words?

#569. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at June 20, 2007 2:56 PM

how 'bout........heine?

#570. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at June 20, 2007 3:15 PM

@570 Red...Neck...Man

>how 'bout........heine?

Heinrich?

Somehow I've always found "German Romantic Poet" to be a triple oxymoron.

#571. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 20, 2007 3:48 PM

Perhaps laffo or even charlies dead??? could come up with a last entry (or rather next-to-last entry). Then we'd have something to chat about the rest of the summer...

I miss those guys...

Oh well - it's up to you RNM. Make us proud now that you have the title "always last."

#572. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 21, 2007 9:20 AM

I have been spending my Wednesday nights and any other available time re-watching Season 1 and season 2 on DVD. Two things I caught that I though were interesting and shows how much though is put into writing this show are detailed below. The first was in the episode “Everyone hates Hugo”, Season 2 Episode 4). At the end of the episode Sun is burying the bottle that went on the raft that had message front the losties. When she is digging the hole you see her wearing her wedding ring then as she is filling in the hole the ring is gone. We all know this is where she finds the ring in a later episode. What is interesting about this is the writers were in tone enough with the details to put this in so those of us who watch close enough would catch this. I for one did not catch this until I knew she had lost the ring while burying the bottle. The 2nd observation comes from “The Greater Good”, Season 1 Episode 21. Charlie is walking down the beach singing to Aaron. He is singing the “Itty’s Bitty’s Spider” song but gets one line wrong. Hurly points this out to him. The line was sung as “the rains came down and drowns the spider out”, Hurly tells him the line should be “the rains came down and washed the spider out”. Was this the writers giving us a clue to Charlie’s final fate? I know in the future I will watch for these little details that usually go passed me as just filler to see if they have more meaning then just as filler.

#573. Posted by: michael at June 25, 2007 3:29 PM

@michael: Good catch on both points! I always liked the idea that the writers are planting those little gems for us to find later. They're just hard to spot on the front-end. What's the expression about hindsight being 20/20? ;) Lost always makes me feel a bit myopic @@

#574. Posted by: Clementine at June 25, 2007 8:05 PM

Hey Michael - nice post and nice catches. I thought that also about Sun's ring, but not about the "spidey" song.

Don't recall seeing many posts from you on this site. Are you new? Or do you only post when you have something really good (like the above) to share.

Again, good job. Notice any connection with the rabbits you'd like to share?

#575. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 25, 2007 10:27 PM

@Michael:

I ordered the S-1 and S-2 DVD's a couple of weeks ago and just finished watching them all.

A few observations:

o This is one of the most beautifully set and photographed series ever. Rewatching all those shows just re-emphasized that to me.

o Viewing whole seasons in this comperessed manner is a whole different experience - so much so that it tempts one to skip the original viewing and wait for the DVR. Except I know I. Just. Couldn't. Do. That.

o Vincent on the boat. I've been hearing for a year that one of the deleted scenes on the S-2 DVD shows Vincent on the boat with Michael and Walt as they leave the island in the S-2 final episode, thus confusing everyone who saw it when Vincent turns up on the island in S-3. Now I've got the DVD and no such scene is on there. What's up with that? Have they deleted that deleted scene from the DVD? (Will there now be some new packaging for the deleted deleted scenes?) Anybody have a DVD with that deleted scene on it?

o Could there be some sinister reason for this - are all the S-3 Vincent scenes really the smoke monster? By the by, I've also seen some speculation that *ALL* Vincent scenes are the smoke monster, including the pilot - that Vincent died in the crash and the smoke monster has been impersonating him all along to infiltrate the Losties.

o Vincent, by the way, is played by a female Lab named Madison, and her usual action motivation is a tossed tennis ball off camera. Lindelof says Naveen Andrews also responds well to tossed tennis balls.

o The extras make buying the DVD's quite worth the experience. At least one in four episodes has a commentary version with writers, producers, directors and actors commenting over the episode, revealing many and interesting things about the filming. Dominic Monaghan felt compelled to extending his commentary all the way to parodying the "Bad Robot" in a flasetto voice at the very end.

o The audition tapes included on the S-1 DVD show both Matthew Fox and Dominic Monaghan reading for the Sawyer part. Wouldn't that have beeen weird?

o Sawyer originally tried to suppress his Southern accent for Sawyer, until producer JJ Abrams told him to just go with it. Josh Holloway reports feeling liberated by that decision.

o It's really disconcerting when you hear Naveen Andrews talk in his real voice. It also seem weird when tyou hear and see Daniel Dae kim speaking perfect English.


o Of course if you purchase the DVD's do it though this site - Mac can use the business. Just scroll up to the top and click to purchase through Amazon.

#576. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 26, 2007 11:42 AM

Self correction to the above:

1. It was of course Josh Holloway who had to suppress his Southerb Accent *as* Sawyer.

2. I've located the "Vincent on the Boat" scenes. Not in the "Deleted Scenes" segments, but in the "On Location" segment, where actors, producers, and set dressers comment on the many and varied locations used in S-2.

3. Mac, this blog desparately needs a Spel Czhechur.

4. C'mon folks, only 24 more posts to break 600.

#577. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 26, 2007 2:40 PM

If we keep this going until Season 4 starts we might break a thousand!

#578. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at June 27, 2007 8:59 AM

@Cecil Rose/576 "Viewing whole seasons in this comperessed manner is a whole different experience - so much so that it tempts one to skip the original viewing and wait for the DVR. Except I know I. Just. Couldn't. Do. That."

I originally watched S1 and S2 in this manner. I agree that it is a totally different experience. My sister’s husband (AKA brother-in-law) and I had agreed to wait and watch the whole series after it had aired in its entirety IF it ended up being a worthwhile show. I made it through season 2 and couldn't resist all of the hubbub (he is still a hold out despite my constant prodding).

There are several things I feel that I missed by waiting and watching each season as a whole but there are also things that I gained by watching them in a “compressed manner.” Here are some of my observations:

1) The details. When watching one show after another you tend to quickly move from episode to episode, glossing over important details. I totally dismissed the whole Adam and Eve event the first time through. On the other hand there are several things that are easier to catch. For example Sun's ring (see michael's post 573 above.)

2) The internet. This, in my opinion, is the best argument for watching the show as it airs. So much is gained by sharing the experience with a community. What you don't catch, someone else will. Of course I don’t even have to mention the fun banter that is a part of this blog.

3) Pure imagination. So much is lost (no pun intended) when you watch an episode and then go directly to the next without soaking it all in. Half the fun is in brainstorming, going over the clues, and attempting to out guess the writers. The week between episodes is an important time for cultivating ideas and building excitement. I have had a plethora of Tuesday evening revelations just rethinking the previous week’s episode.

4) Timeliness. A large part of the fun of Lost is knowing what is going on behind the scenes at the time an episode was written. A perfect example of this is the Expose episode. Sawyer’s “who are you?” lines lose their meaning if you don’t understand what was behind them. Another example would be Juliet’s line about making a runway for the aliens. These lines will be lost on those who simply watch the series out of the box and have no idea about the fan theories and feeling of the time.

Bottom line? There is much to be gained by watching and enjoying the show both ways. Watch it as it airs and then go back and watch it out of the box. If you plan on watching the series out of the box, having not seen it as it originally aired, do so with someone that was there as it unfolded. I know that Cecil Rose isn’t being serious about waiting but I thought I’d throw my .02 into the ring.

#579. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 27, 2007 9:08 AM

Other interesting things found on the DVD sets:

o For the Australian scenes, they couldn't find enough right-hand drive cars to simulate the streets of Sydney. How did they film the street scenes with automobiles in them in Oahu then? They produced every single visible sign - street signs, t-shirts, outdoor advertising, etc in mirror image, backwards form. They created mirror image costumes (pocket on reverse side, etc) for the actors. They then filmed the scenes with left-hand drive American cars, then digitally reversed the image. I haven't gone back to look and see if the mirror imaging extended to makeup - parts of hair on reverse side, moles on opposite cheek, etc, but it would be interesting to do so.

o To film Ann Lucia in her hotel room overlooking Sydney harbor - in Oahu with her reflection in the window, they constructed an all blue simulated hotel room, photographed Anna Lucia (Michelle Rodrigiuez) from the reverse side as she walked though the set, digitally reversed this image, and overlaid it on the Sydney harbor scene looking out the "window" to produce the reflection. (The blue background being easy to remove, digitally).

o In "Fire and Ice", (1) in the scene where Charlie imagines he sees his Mom and Claire as angels on the beach warning him that the baby is in danger, the Nigerian drug plane is briefly seen above the palms as it crashes. (2) The backdrop is clearly fake, as the dove that flies through the scene has it's shadow clearly projectined on the flat "jungle" background, but this is probably consistent with it being a drug-induced vision. (3) Claire and Charlie's mom have halos, consistent with the painting the scene was modeled from. (4) But they dropped the wings - also in the painting - because they looked too fakey. (5) In the commentary on this episode Dominic Monaghan - who has to do a lot of swimming in some rough water as Charlie - comments that "Charlie's not a very good swimmer - Dominic Monaghan swims like a fish, but Charlie's not so good at it." Contrast that with Charlie's statements in the final S-3 episodes. (7) What a pleasant surprise to find there was apparently one episode - this one - that I had missed in the original viewing, and so got to see what was, to me, a brand new episode off "Lost".

o ***SUGGESTION MAC***

(Note the balanced asterisks ;>)
How about creating a "No Topic, Endless Discussion" blog, where we could chat about "Lost" and other things without being off-topic in a particular article? I can see a lot of desire in the community to keep in touch over the lo-o-ong haul to February.

#580. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 27, 2007 4:28 PM

RE: Cecil Rose/580

{o ***SUGGESTION MAC***

(Note the balanced asterisks ;>)
How about creating a "No Topic, Endless Discussion" blog, where we could chat about "Lost" and other things without being off-topic in a particular article? I can see a lot of desire in the community to keep in touch over the lo-o-ong haul to February.}

Uh, isn't that what the House blog is for? j/k :)

RE DVD's, I was in Korea when the first season aired, and I didn;t watch it on Korean TV. I bought the DVD set the summer after S1 aired when I got back to the States (well, Hawaii, anyhow :) ). I enjoyed watching the episodes back to back, but I feel I missed out not only on the discussions with other fans, but I also never remember what happened in which episode as they all kind of run together in my mind. DVDs are great for re-watching, but I'm glad I get to watch them when they air and here ideas about them from all y'all!

#581. Posted by: FenwayBen at June 28, 2007 1:42 AM

oops, I meant HEAR ideas on HERE from all y'all o.O

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#587. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 28, 2007 9:56 AM

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→ 575. Posted by: BunnyLover at June 25, 2007 10:27 PM

I am happy you enjoyed these findings and thank you for your kind remarks. I wasn't sure anyone would care to review details from season 1 or 2. Like others have said I have to watch episodes as they air but enjoy re-watching them on DVD. It like re-reading a good book, you know what to watch for and can find the clues the writers put in.

I have been reading Mac’s wonderful reviews since episode 20 of season one and will post maybe one or two times for each review. I always re-read Mac’s reviews after re-watching an episode too.

#588. Posted by: michael at June 28, 2007 12:46 PM

@581 FenwayBen said:

>>RE: Cecil Rose/580

>>I can see a lot of desire in the community to keep in touch over the lo-o-ong haul to February.}

>Uh, isn't that what the House blog is for? j/k :)

Would that I had enough posters to produce a need for such. I've even thought of creating a "Lost Off-Season Discussion Blog, and Oh, Yeah, House, Too) over there but I think more people would find it over here. We don't have as many loose ends to discuss on House - although there are three powerful ones this year.

j/k?

>RE DVD's, I was in Korea when the first season aired, and I didn't watch it on Korean TV.

Do they have Sun and Jin speak without subtitles and everyone else gets them? Or do they dub the English speakers into Korean? In which case do they still show English subtitles when Sun and Jin speak? Gosh, this opens up all sorts of interesting questions. How do you indicate that two characters are speaking in a language that no one else understands, when the audience understand them? Invert the whoel situation and have everybody else speak Korean while Sun and Jin speak English, and Sun conceals her knowledge of Korean from Jin? Or change their Korean to Pig Latin? Or Japanese?


>I bought the DVD set the summer after S1 aired when I got back to the States (well, Hawaii, anyhow :) ).

Hawaii counts. We gave them a star, and everything. Pardon me while we all emit envy waves at you.

#589. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 28, 2007 3:47 PM

@gikpn ftvdj/583/584/585/586

"utgps hirbsw kyptfcz umts eaqgzt oagb husolywi"

Wow, that has to be the longest acronym we've seen yet! Let me take a stab at what it stands for...


Uneasy
Trip
Gets
Pretty
Sticky.

Heavenly
Incident
Reveals
Bad
Smoke
Woes.

Killed
Young
Polarbear
Traveled
From
Caged
Zoo.

Undesirable
Man
Takes
Someone.

Ethan
Asks
Questions
Gathering
Zygote
Testing.

Others
Are
Getting
Blownup.

Huge
Unknown
Ship
Off
Lost
Yon
Waters
Is...???

"gikpn ftvdj" you are brilliant! Who else could have come up with such an awesome acronym that does such a good job of summing up the show through season three? Well done!

And posting it 4 times to ensure that we all have a chance to see it...yet another brilliant move! My hat's off to you.

Now, if I could only figure out the acronym that you use for your moniker...

#590. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 29, 2007 9:19 AM

@bcre8ve/#590: Holy Hurley bird, it's like LOST haiku! My hat's off to you for the interpretation of the mysterious acronyms... : )

#591. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 29, 2007 12:36 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought/591

Thanks. I actually had to make two trips to Locke's sweat lodge before I got the answer to that one. It was a toughy.

Just for the record, in attempting to read haiku, I am very LOST.

#592. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 29, 2007 12:52 PM

Simple words in lines
Meaning transcending our thoughts
Alone, unknown, "Lost"

#593. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 29, 2007 4:33 PM

@Cecil Rose/593

Very nice. You're such the haiku-er! : )

#594. Posted by: bcre8ve at June 29, 2007 5:45 PM

1-1

Airplane lands badly
Jack wakes in bamboo forest
Chaos, despair, hope?

#595. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 29, 2007 8:09 PM

@bcre8ve/590: Spinning straw into gold, as usual. And “Zygote” was 24 karat.

@Cecil Rose/593/595: Beautiful.
(In my mind, your image just donned a black beret and turtleneck)

Oh, and from 589:
j/k = just kidding (I think : )

@gikpn ftvdj: Great attempt to recycle used letters. Waste not, want not. Al Gore salutes you. On the other hand, if you’re playing Lost scrabble, you stink. Give it up.

@mac: I second Cecil Rose’s “No Topic, Endless Discussion” space request. Or we could just drive this season finale comment section to 1000+. But my browser is tired of loading it. And the RSS feeds aren’t working on this one. (I’m getting an error message due to a poster using an “=” sign in their name on #63, if that means anything.) Yes, I know, a blogger’s work is never done ; )

#596. Posted by: Clementine at June 29, 2007 8:54 PM

@ Clementine/596 "Great attempt to recycle used letters. Waste not, want not. Al Gore salutes you. On the other hand, if you’re playing Lost scrabble, you stink. Give it up."

LOL! Hey, gikpn ftvdj, if you have any extra s's I could sure use some!

#597. Posted by: bcre8ve at July 1, 2007 5:05 PM

@590 bcre8ve, that was possibly the funniest thing I ever read on this blog, I was laughing out loud so hard at first it took me a couple minutes to get through the post!

@589 Cecil Rose:

I was joking that off season Lost conversations is what the House forum is for. You;re right about their being three big loose ends this off season, I haven't been looking for spoilers about how (if at all) they will be resolved, maybe I should pop over to the House :)

Korea almost always shows American TV and films with subtitles, the main exception being animated children's fare which gets dubbed but is sometimes available as both a dubbed and a subtitled version. It's actually kind of neat, as newer computer animated films will sometimes also change any writing into Korean as well. Ever see Polar Express? The kids each get a ticket with part of a word on it from the conductor, and in the Korean dubbed version not only are they Korean words, but the lettering on the ticket is Korean as well.

In Lost (if I remember correctly, it's been over two years), they subtitle everything but the Korean.

In France, I read they dub the show. There was a sticking point in season one when Russeau's message is heard in French and no one but Shannon understands it. They changed Russeau to a German character, dubbed her message into German and had Shannon say she studied in Germany instead of France. Course they later got her map, which was written in French. Oh well.

"Hawaii counts. We gave them a star, and everything. Pardon me while we all emit envy waves at you."

Hawaii is the 50th State, and as such every summer we have "the Fiftieth State Fair". One summer I was driving past with a friend of mine (from Plymouth), who said "It was the fiftieth state fair last year, shouldn;t this year's be the fifty first state fair?"

But apart from using dollars, paying taxes, voting in elections and seeing Interstate signs on the Highway (and no, they don't actual go "interstate"), Hawaii doesn't feel much like the US. So literally I returned to the US, but psychologically it's a different story. Don't be too jealous, it was 75 and cloudy one day last week, so it's not ALWAYS 85 and sunny here :)

#598. Posted by: FenwayBen at July 1, 2007 7:08 PM

Dear FenwayBen... et. al.,

I just (in person) saw 23 Korean's play in the LPGA U.S.Open in Pinehurst, North Carolina, United States of America.

So, what's THAT all about?

(I wrote a lot more, but just erased it.)

#599. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 1, 2007 10:22 PM

@BunnyLover/599 "I wrote a lot more, but just erased it."

I hope you save it for the "Lost Blog DVD Extras - Deleted Lines" feature.

#600. Posted by: bcre8ve at July 1, 2007 11:21 PM

And the award for Best Non Sequitur in a Lost Blog Comment goes to:

BunnyLover
for “Through the Looking Glass” #599

Congratulations, madam.

You may not be always first or always last, but you are always entertaining. I wish I had an official certificate for you, but please accept this video as a (somewhat bizarre) reflection of my admiration for your talents:

http://tinyurl*com/36zl4m

(replace the * with a period)

And bcre8ve/#600, you just ruined my victory CIS(ixhundreth) posting while I was off looking for a video! I’m gonna sic Psycho Crispy on you!

#601. Posted by: Clementine at July 1, 2007 11:48 PM

1-2

Trek across island
Sawyer kills a polar bear
Guys, what is this place?

#602. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 2, 2007 9:28 AM

@Clementine/601 "And the award for Best Non Sequitur in a Lost Blog Comment goes to"

Dang, I missed it. I didn't even know there was such an award. I would like to make a submission for next year's consideration:

"Four Yellow ducky slippers"

(fingers crossed...)

----
"And bcre8ve/#600, you just ruined my victory CIS(ixhundreth) posting while I was off looking for a video! I’m gonna sic Psycho Crispy on you!"

Sorry, but like they say, "The early bird gets the worm."

BTW: Ever thought about that saying? The early bird gets the worm but the early worm gets eaten... So, I guess if you're a bird be early but if you're a worm, sleep in?

Or are worms nocturnal? If so, maybe it's the early bird gets the worm and the late worm gets eaten? Hmmm...

#603. Posted by: bcre8ve at July 2, 2007 10:12 AM

@bcre8ve/603: {Sorry, but like they say, "The early bird gets the worm."}

The problem arose when I counted my 600 chickens before they were hatched. But I’m still mad at you, my avian friend. It is not logical. It just IS.

And @Cecil Rose/595/602: Do I sense a Lost Haiku Epic in progress?

#604. Posted by: Clementine at July 2, 2007 12:14 PM

1-3

Kate a fugitive
Down Under worked as farm hand
Betrayed, escaped, caught

#605. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 2, 2007 3:06 PM

My Dear Clementine #601 -
Thank you, thank you so much for the award. I wasn't really trying for one, but I accept this with great humility.

Also, thank you for the video. This is one of my personal favorites. SnakeHater (the bunny featured in the video) had just finished eating a bowl of Phycho Crispy Seaplanes when he spotted that snake. He is my hero...

#606. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 2, 2007 3:18 PM

1-4

John, in a wheel chair
With dreams of martial glory
Left back in Sydney

#607. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 2, 2007 4:58 PM

@Cecil Rose

I hope that once your Haiku-ing is complete that you will make one big post so that we can read them all together.

Keep 'em coming...

#608. Posted by: bcre8ve at July 3, 2007 1:53 AM

Bunnylover, the most popular sports in Korea are baseball, soccer, golf, archery, tae kwon do, judo, and badmitton(sic?). Women participate largely in all but the first two. Korean girls (and Asian girls here in Hawaii like Michelle Wi) are steered into the sport at a much higher rate than (Mainland) American girls are.

When the LPGA had an event in the Bay Area a few (4?) years back, it had a billboard that read something to the effect of "Finally, 48 women that can drive better than you can". I can only imagine the uproar in the area if it had said "Asian women"...

#609. Posted by: FenwayBen at July 3, 2007 4:07 AM

FenwayBen - you are a virtual fountain of information. I'd hate to be up against you in a 'Trivial Pursuit' game! Thanks for all your informative comments. You cracked me up about the billboard!

As far as my comment about the Korean's in the LPGA, I guess I was just venting (and drunk) when I posted that. I'd heard so much translation during the day, I thought I was in another country! I apologize for the not-so-wise crack. (But at least I got an award for it... ha!)

#610. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 3, 2007 10:25 AM

gotta jump in.....

Ben has a dolly
Wishes it were still alive
Who knows what he'd do?

#611. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at July 3, 2007 11:37 AM

can't help myself....

Kate takes a shower
Tom won't watch for some reason
Wrong type? Whatever!

#612. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at July 3, 2007 11:40 AM

another....

Four, Eight, Fifteen, Six-
Teen, Twenty Three, Forty Two..
Head hurts, need Advil!

#613. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at July 3, 2007 2:49 PM

why not...

Who likes Tucan Sam?
Not me. You know why I don't?
I love Hurley Bird!

#614. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at July 3, 2007 2:53 PM

another direction....

An Ode to Hurley Bird

There once was a bird on an island,
When you see him you immediately start smilin',
He'll fly overhead,
If you see him you're dead,
Says your name and you know you'll be cryin'.

#615. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at July 3, 2007 3:01 PM

Hey Red...Neck...Man... - it's a little early in the afternoon to be hittin the bottle isn't it? (Unless you're on vacation. In that case, have one for me.)

#616. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 3, 2007 4:36 PM

Who knew there was all this activity over by here? If a haiku is the cost of admission, then so be it...

BunnyLover FenwayBen
Clementine and Red...Neck...Man
bcre8ve too.

Cecil Rose blogs House
February is so far
Mac, where have you gone?

#617. Posted by: ransomjackson at July 3, 2007 4:47 PM

Bunnylover, I have the hardest time finding people to play trivial pursuit against. Cranium usually levels the playing field though! :)

If the translators were driving you crazy, I'd stay away from Waikiki, everything here is in English and Japanese...

For Red...Neck...Man

James Ford's alias
Taken from a conman's name
Sawyer, whom he killed.

My Charlie lies under the ocean...

#618. Posted by: FenwayBen at July 4, 2007 4:10 AM

1-5

Jack chases dead dad
Finds water instead, and then
An empty coffin

#619. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 5, 2007 12:13 PM

I just re-watched the S3 finale and noticed something that wouldn't have made sense the first time. When Jack first meets the other doctor in the hospital, the other doctor says something like, "You're a hero, twice over." Would "twice over" be referring to Jack saving the woman and her son, or maybe Jack saving them, and also something referring to the rescue from the island, like maybe he was a hero for getting them rescued?
Thoughts?

#620. Posted by: Christina at July 6, 2007 12:38 PM

1-6

Jin attacks Michael
Jack proposes move to caves
Dischord, harmony?

#621. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 6, 2007 5:00 PM

Red Neck Man posts a poem
FenwayBen jumps in too
ransomjackson adds a thought
so I'll add two

Thought one - you guys are too funny
Thought two - you guys are funny, too

(hiccup)

#622. Posted by: ButchM at July 7, 2007 7:22 PM

If you haven’t already come across this Season 3 review from the DarkUFO site, I found it very enjoyable. And I had to laugh at the philosopher portraits and the picture of Jack as Leonidas (but where’s Paulo as the Persian king??) Lots of G-rated bunny pics. But look out for the ongoing battles of the Jater/Skater shipper wars in the comments section. (And if you don’t know what that means, you’re not missing anything. I’m always bemused by the heated opinions on that topic, LOL!)

http://tinyurl*com/2h5qcc


@Cecil Rose: You are definitely in the zone. I’m enjoying your haiku recaps. I wonder if you’re watching those S1/2 DVDs again? It’s a looong time til S3 is released in December (sigh). And you and bcre8ve certainly have inspired your fellow commentators. Perhaps we need a poetry forum?

@ButchM/622: (giggle)

#623. Posted by: Clementine at July 8, 2007 12:22 AM

@FenwayBen/#618: Re "My Charlie lies under the ocean"...I immediately thought of the StarKist mascot, Charlie the Tuna. Sorry Charlie! ; )

#624. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 8, 2007 10:08 PM

1-7

Like a moth, Charlie
Emerges triumphant. Don't...
Get too near the flame.

#625. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 9, 2007 1:37 PM

Clemtine #623 - thanks for that link. It was an awesome article/review. I especially LOVED the bunny pics!

#626. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 9, 2007 1:46 PM

uh... I'd like to buy an "en" - sorry about that ClemENtine...

#627. Posted by: BunnyLover at July 9, 2007 1:49 PM

Charlie's drowned
At least we think
But if he's like Patchy
He'll be back - and that will stink


Clementine, oh Clemenetine
How is life in Mars
Do you or don't you
Frequent some of the bars


Clementine, oh Clemtine, where is the en
Me thinks BunnyLover forgot it
A mere slip of the pen
I know that you like to giggle
Tee hee, tee hee, tee hee
But if you saw Laffo
You'd guffaw so loud, you'd have to pee.


Alaïs_Longthought is a gal, not a pal
And she says things like younse, jumbo and gum band
Because she is my "homey"
From dear old Pittsburgh land


As Fred G. Sanford once said, "The G is for goodness."

#628. Posted by: ButchM at July 9, 2007 8:29 PM

Another article. Damon Lindelof on the final installment of Harry Potter:

http://tinyurl*com/35jhom

And may I add, I love Damon Lindelof and I love Harry Potter : )


Shout-aht to my homey, ButchM! In da BURGH!!


And question for Ms. Longthought – inquiring minds want to know:

Is it ‘A-less’ or ‘a-LACE’?

#629. Posted by: Clementine at July 9, 2007 9:34 PM

@Butch M/#628: You're quite the poet! Thanks for pointing out my status as a "gal"...although I could certainly be a "gal pal" as well. However, it's Mr. Longthought who's the "yunzer" rather than me. I am a gen-u-ine GDY (uh, gosh-darned Yankee), born in the irascible state of Vermont.

@Clementine/#629: Saw the article by Lindelof on HP & enjoyed it. Are you going to the big party on the 20th?

And as far as my nom de blog...it's Ah-LAY-iss, actually. I borrowed it from a book from my fave author (Guy Gavriel Kay), & am still not quite sure of its meaning, but it may be the Provencal version of Alice.

Clementine, are you the American pronunciation (ClementINE) or the British (ClementEEN)? I believe Winston Churchill's wife was a ClementEEN...

#630. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 9, 2007 11:16 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought: Speaking of Guy Gavriel Kay, I read “Lions of Al-Rassan” not long ago and very much enjoyed it. Need to fill out an inter-library loan request for his other works.

Alice would be a good Lost moniker : )

Funny you should mention Mrs. Churchill…when someone asked me for a picture over on the other post, I was going to use her engagement photo, but thought the reference might be too obscure (and perhaps disrespectful to the esteemed lady?)

I pronounce myself ClemenTINE. (Well, that sounded pretentious.) But the French accent makes me feel...ah, continental?...so I may have to use that version (Clémentine) for the occasional comment. Perhaps you and I will start a trend…

soyez créateur (bcre8ve)
Amoureux de Lapin (BunnyLover)
rançonjackson (ransomjackson)
Hydravions Croustillants (Crispy Seaplanes)

#631. Posted by: Clementine at July 10, 2007 8:52 AM

J'aime mon appelle francais!
(Pardon my French if it's wrong--it's been a long time since high school!)

#632. Posted by: Hydravions Croustillants at July 10, 2007 10:09 AM

Hydravions Croustillants sont comme par magie délicieux!

Cwispy, I think your name must be universally amusing, no matter what the language. But when I say the French version out loud, it sounds more like "Crusty Seaplanes." LOL

#633. Posted by: Clementine at July 10, 2007 10:59 AM

1-8

Confidence man or
Torturer, which has more to
Repent? Time will tell.

#634. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 10, 2007 11:48 AM

I just saw Transformers today...the teaser trailer for the new JJ produced movie looks awesome.

In French, my name is pronounced FenwayGee (as in key)

#635. Posted by: FenwayBen at July 11, 2007 5:52 AM

@Clementine

Yes, I'm rewatching (at a slower pace this time) those S1/S2 DVD's. And re-reading Mac's reviews as well. In 1-9 (Solitary - Sayid's trek into the jungle where he encountered Rousseau for the first time) Sayid (and Mac) assume that "Alex" is *male*, and Rousseau doesn't enlighten them in the episode. Now I'm wondering where we first learned that fact.

#636. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 11, 2007 1:11 PM

1-9

Follow this cable...
Whoops! Weird French chick! Missing child!
What to do now? Fore!

#637. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 11, 2007 2:19 PM

@Cecil Rose/636: regarding when we learned "Alex" was a dudette

Hmmm...veddy, veddy interesting...

I remember Rousseau telling the story of how she gave birth all alone and named her daughter Alexandra, but I can't remember when that occurred. I just remember her saying "Alexandra" with her French accent.

637/"Fore!" LOL

#638. Posted by: Clementine at July 11, 2007 2:49 PM

Losties in Other Venues -

Sighted Nestor "Richard Alpert" Carbonell in a promo for upcoming Fall series "Cane" starring Jimmy Smits, to air on CBS on Tuesdays.

#639. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 11, 2007 6:32 PM

@Cecil Rose #639

Hmmmm, what gave him away? Was it the
EYES? I saw it too - the guy must be a newbie to the Hollywood scene as he is popping up everywhere.

@Mr. Longthought - So yer wife is from the Green Mountain State, eh? That's okay - as long as she is a Steeler's fan.

@FenwayGee - Are you sure that's the French version of FenwayBen and not the Squirrel Hill version? By the way, I saw my first X rated movie in Squirrel Hill. It was 1966 or 1967, thus was actually "R" rated compared to today's flicks.

#640. Posted by: ButchM at July 11, 2007 6:51 PM

@Clementine/#631: "Lions" is GGK's finest-written work, IMHO, but "A Song for Arbonne" has really grown on me over the years. His first three are a trilogy...not surprising, as he worked w/Christopher Tolkien in preparing "The Silmarillion" for publication. "The Fionavar Tapestry" (GGK's trilogy) isn't his best work, but I do love the mixture of Welsh, Celtic, Norse, etc., mythologies that he tosses together. I'll be interested to hear what you think of GGK's other books!

Love the French translations of our noms de blog...do Hydravions Croustillants sound the same when you eat them in French? In English a cat says meow, but en francais it says miaou...

@ButchM/#640: Mr. Longthought is in Germany on "bizness," so I'll take the liberty to respond for him. Sadly, to his family's dismay (or at least to the male members thereof), Mr. Longthought's Green Mountain wife is an unrepentent Patriots fan of nearly 30 years' standing. Go Pats! ; )

#641. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 11, 2007 9:25 PM

Regarding Nestor Carbonell, ButchM sed:

>...the guy must be a newbie to the Hollywood scene as he is popping up everywhere.

Like most 'overnight sensations' in show biz, he's worked around twenty years to get there. See a line of credits as long as your arm at:

http://www.imdb*com/name/nm0004801/

change * to . for URL

#642. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 12, 2007 10:18 AM

1-10

Clair, with child, alone...
Psychic's plan? an "Other Man"?
Delusion? Danger!

#643. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 12, 2007 11:09 AM

@Alaïs_Longthought

Pats???? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh rats!!!!!!!!

@CR - a 20 year overnighter, wow!

#644. Posted by: ButchM at July 12, 2007 6:21 PM

Sorry if this is a duplicate, I got a weird error message when I tried to submit.

Anyhow, I was really tired when I posted my "Frenchified" name. FenwayGuy is part of my e-mail, so that's what I was thinking of. What's the French version of Benjamin? Is it the same?

Eye-liner guy...I first saw him on "Suddenly Susan", but I didn't watch it too much. I know him better as Batmanuel on the short-lived, live action "The Tick" TV show!

#645. Posted by: FenwayBen at July 12, 2007 7:00 PM

@FenwayLeBen: Taking into account my 3 years of college French and the remaining 3 brain cells that have retained any of it, I think the French version of Benjamin is...Benjamin. But pronounced something like Bou-jah-men.

Gee, maybe we should just call ya Guy. But I think that's Bill : )

@Alaïs_Longthought/641: Thanks for the info on GGK. I'm excited to read more. And no comment on your questionable taste in sports teams. To each her own : ))

#646. Posted by: Clémentine at July 12, 2007 7:41 PM

@myself/646: Uh...make that 3 *semesters* of college French (and I probably overestimated the brain cells.)

#647. Posted by: Clementine at July 12, 2007 9:46 PM

Ah, thanks for the translation Clem.

And I can take a moment off from my Sox cheering to say a quick GO PATS!

#648. Posted by: FenwayBen at July 13, 2007 2:45 AM

1-11

Jack/Christian yin/yan
Charlie saved/Clair gone... and lost?
Something under ground

#649. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 13, 2007 12:56 PM

@Clementine, ButchM, & other "Stillers" fans: I will hereby dig my grave deeper in your eyes by confessing that I've been a Steelers disliker for as long as I've been a Pats fan. I actually distinctly remember why I started disliking them; my dad, a huge Vikings fan, refused to root for the Vikes in Super Bowl (small no.) because he said he knew they'd never win (so their Super Bowl drought can be laid at my dad's door) & he wanted to root for the winning team. I thought that a team that could cause my dad to do an about-face like that was awful (obviously I was too young to realize that my dad's comment said a lot more about my dad than the Steelers, but I digress), & thus was born an anti-Steeler. Being about the only Pats fan in my grade made for quite a few interesting mornings in homerooms in junior & senior high, as the boy behind me was a die-hard Steelers fan (I still ended up going to the prom w/him) & the guy across from me was a die-hard Cowboys fan. I suppose it's some sort of karma that I married someone from a Pittsburgh-sports-addicted family. ; >

@FenwayBen: I also racked my long-ago French brain cells & even did some quick online searching, but didn't find a specifically French version of Benjamin. The closest I came was Benoit, but that's Benedict en anglais. Guy en francais is Guy in English, as in Guy Fawkes; Guillaume is William or Bill. The only reason I know that is that I had both a "Guy" & "Guillaume" in my high school French classes (& "Guy's" real name wasn't Guy anyway; it was Glen).

@Cecil Rose: Are you writing a haiku for each LOST episode? This should be a special DVD feature...

#650. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 13, 2007 5:36 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought - Being about the only Pats fan in my grade made for quite a few interesting mornings in homerooms in junior & senior high, as the boy behind me was a die-hard Steelers fan.

Was you hair long enough that he could dip it into the ink well? ;>)

@FenwayBen - A nice nickname for you during football season, FenPats Ben. Well, maybe not so "nice." Can you sing "Here we go Steelers, here we go."

@Alaïs_Longthought&FenPatsBen - I must admit that I honestly feel that Brady is the best QB in the league. Iam so SICK of hearing about Peyton Manning - especially within my own family, as half of the traitors are Colts fans - but only becasue Manning plays for them.
Ok, guess I'll hear from the Colts fans now.


Thought of the day: Stealing from an actor - Robin Williams.

#651. Posted by: ButchM at July 13, 2007 5:57 PM

@650 Alaïs_Longthought said:

>@Cecil Rose: Are you writing a haiku for each LOST episode? This should be a special DVD feature...

Some things I know and some things I don't know.

I don't know Butchie instead.

The end is near.

Mitch Yost should get back in the game.

Only time will tell.

I can tell you it's a challenge trying to capture 44 minutes of action plus flashbacks in three lines and 17 syllables.

Future installments will be posted on our new random-topic discussion area.

#652. Posted by: Cecil Rose at July 13, 2007 6:55 PM

@ButchM/#651:

>Was you hair long enough that he could dip it into the ink well? ;>)

We had no ink wells in our desks, but funnily enough, it was...I never had my hair cut until my sophomore year at college. My mom didn't believe in going to a stylist. No lie, she's actually still wearing a version of a Jackie Kennedy bouffant. ; )

In all honesty, I'm really not hugely involved w/any sports teams any more, although I root for the Pats for old times' sake. There are a lot of people whose self-esteem & sense of being seem to be tied up w/a sports team of sort, though.

@Cecil Rose: Well, you're doing a bang-up job on your haikus, IMHO. Looking forward to the next installment of them!

#653. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at July 13, 2007 10:24 PM

Sidenote: This scene confused me. Was the faux-shooting part of Ben's plan? Or, did Tom and/or Pryce turn on Ben?
--

It was part of Ben's plan.

[At the beach, Ryan and Tom argue as they walk]

RYAN: It was an order, Tom, we had to follow it.

TOM: Ben doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, he's lost it! I mean look at what they did to us. Instead of putting three bullets in the damned sand, we should have killed them for real.

#654. Posted by: reza at August 11, 2007 4:27 PM

m630k

#655. Posted by: ro229ck at August 25, 2007 1:28 AM

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#656. Posted by: ro501ck at August 25, 2007 1:29 AM

So yeah, I heard from a reliable source that it's Juliet in the cascet. Kate is with Sawyer and their baby. They got off the island because the island allowed them to. Walt is 'posessed' by the island, but it's more of a friendship. The island speaks through him. Michael is already dead. Flashbacks of Walt's story will reveal this.

The island allowed Jack & co to leave because of something Locke does. I don't what, but it has to do with Ben, some awesome island creature (no, not a polar bear) and with a group from the company of Penelope's father, that arrive on the island. They will cause a lot of trouble and some fatalities (Sayid, Claire).

So anyway, the island gives the group a boat and bearings. The boat will only carry 5 people. Jack, Kate, Juliet, Sawyer and Desmond are chosen, they swear they will be back with help. I don't know how it is decided who gets to go. Desmond dies at sea.

Juliet dies because of Jack. He feels so guilty for leaving the others behind, because there doesn't seem to be a way back. He drinks, etc etc, and kills Juliet in a car crash.
Sawyer, Kate and Jack will return to the island, with the help of Penelope, at the end of the season.

Well not really. In season 5 we finally discover there is no island. It's only a tv show :(

#657. Posted by: dick at September 3, 2007 5:28 PM

Just watched the Season 3 Finale... honestly I see Charlie's death to be pointless.... he could have just as well ran to the other side of the door hatch, shut it, and the only room to be flooded would have been the room he is currently dead in... not that I'm not a fan of characters dying... but his death was too unnecessary to be appreciated...

#658. Posted by: Champin at November 17, 2007 7:28 AM

DAD?

#659. Posted by: Len at January 24, 2008 4:19 PM

WALT?

#660. Posted by: Michael at January 29, 2008 11:23 PM

DAD! Is that you?

#661. Posted by: Len at January 30, 2008 1:09 PM

WHERE ARE YOU?

#662. Posted by: Michael at February 1, 2008 8:25 PM

3-22 - Through the Looking Glass Part I

Others ambushed but
All is not well, three captive
While Jack presses on

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3-22 - Through the Looking Glass Part II

Hurley saves the day
Revenge is sweet, but Charlie
Dies - in vain - or not?

#663. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 1, 2008 8:27 PM