The Lost Blog

Key Points from "The Beginning of the End"

Season 4, Episode 1
Episode Air Date: 01/31/08

Point 1
Hurley

Hi there. My name is Mac and this is the Lost Blog.

I figure a reintroduction is necessary because it's been more than eight months since the last new "Lost" episode. Good lord. Eight months.

Before we get down to business I have to do some administrative housekeeping. As you'll see, this review is significantly different than my previous recaps. From now on, I'll be posting shorter reviews an hour or so after a new episode airs. The downside is that the reviews aren't what they used to be. The upside is that everyone can start talking about new episodes sooner than before.

I wish I had the time and energy to crank out the 3,000-word epics of seasons' past, but life just doesn't work that way anymore. So I hope this humble new format still brings a smidgen of entertainment into your "Lost" experience.

Enough of that. Let's get to the first new "Lost" episode in eight months!

The fourth season premiere puts the spotlight on Hurley, which is yet another interesting twist in a show that continues to pile 'em on. Way back in the early days of season one I pegged Hurley as a background character who'd pop in for occasional comic relief and then fade into the mist until he was needed again (sorta like the Lone Gunmen on "X-Files"). But oh how wrong I was. As the years have progressed, I've become convinced that Hurley is one of the two or three most pivotal characters on the show -- and there are times when I wonder if he's the most important character.

Anyway, in this episode we discover a couple interesting things about everyone's favorite van driver:

  • He makes it off the island. Yup, you read that correctly. Hurley, along with Jack and Kate, are three of the "Oceanic Six." You should become familiar with this phrase since it's undoubtedly going to play a huge role in the final arc of the series.

  • In Hurley's future-flash (anyone have a better name for these things?), he's wracked with guilt. Actually, "wracked" doesn't do it justice. "Insane" with guilt is more appropriate. Something happened on that island -- something involving Jack, Kate, Hurley and at least three other survivors. That "something" appears to revolve around the Oceanic Six leaving fellow castaways behind ... or so the "Lost" crew would like us to believe. "Lost" is the craftiest show on television, so I doubt they'd build the entire future-flash concept around a simple betrayal. You just know the rabbit hole on this one goes way, way down.

  • Following a high-speed chase and subsequent arrest, Hurley is overjoyed to be readmitted to the same mental hospital seen in "Numbers" and "Dave." While inside he "sees" two people: the first is a suspicious Oceanic Airlines lawyer named Matthew Abbadon who stands about 7'10" and has an uncanny ability to bore holes in peoples' skulls with his laser-focused pupils (seriously ... that dude freaked me out real bad). Abbadon asks Hurley: "Are they still alive?"

    Speaking of "they" ...

    Hurley's second visitor is our old friend Charlie Pace. Chuckie looks good for a dead rock star (we know he's dead because: 1. this is a future flash and 2. dead Charlie confirms he's dead). Charlie has taken a break from the great gig in the sky to deliver a message to Hurley: "They need you, Hugo," Charlie says from behind designer aviator sunglasses. Who "they" are and where "they" are presently located remains unknown (how great would it be if Charlie is actually referring to the surviving members of Driveshaft and it's Hurley's otherworldly mission to reunite them for a "Behind the Music" special?).

  • And in a final interesting bit, Jack visits Hurley in the mental hospital. Presumably, this visit occurs before the future-flash in the season three finale. At this point in time Jack isn't yet sporting a bug-ridden Other beard, nor is he reveling in his own personal hell. All things considered, Jack looks like he's got his mojo going -- he's back doing doctorly things and wearing suits and running a razor across his face on a regular basis.

    Now, it could be that this visit between Jack and Hurley is what inspires Jack's inevitable descent into bearded madness. Hurley makes it clear that they (the Oceanic Six) did the wrong thing and now it (the island) wants them to come back. Jack doesn't want to hear it, but Hurley's pretty damn adamant about this and when the big man gets adamant, things happen (e.g. bringing a 30-year-old van back to life by sheer will).

Moving on to the island ...

Point 2
Jack

Kate

Ben

Rousseau
Island events pick up right where they left off in "Through the Looking Glass." Jack and his merry band of followers have successfully made contact with Naomi's boat. Naomi, unfortunately, can't enjoy the revelry because she's still got Locke's knife wedged into her back. Ben is tied to a tree. Rousseau is mumbling in French and licking her paw. Kate is ... unusually tan? (Anyone else notice that?)

Basically, things are all good.

But then Naomi miraculously drags her knifed body into the woods, so Jack, Rousseau and Ben set out to find her (Ben doesn't really go on the trip, rather he's dragged along by Jack because Jack doesn't trust anyone else to watch the buggy little man).

Ah, but that not-quite-dead Naomi is a sneaky minx and she fools her pursuers by doubling back. Fortunately, Kate took it upon herself to track the wayward Naomi (and she stole the satellite phone from Jack ... tricky, tricky Kate). Eventually, Naomi jumps from a tree and puts a knife to Kate's throat, but the satellite phone miraculously rings at just the right moment and Kate's lovely jugular is spared. Naomi takes the call and then reprograms the phone so "George" (the guy on the other end of the line) can triangulate her position or lock in on her or some such thing. Naomi punches in the command (4 8 15 16 ... oh, I guess we're not doing that anymore) and then dies. Really. Her final action on this earthly plane is reprogramming a satellite phone.

And this brings us to Key Point 3.

Point 3
Hurley

Desmond

Sawyer

Sayid

Jin

Desmond

Desmond
Following Charlie's heroic sacrifice, Desmond paddles back to the beach camp and tells the assembled (Hurley, Sawyer, Desmond, Sayid, Jin, Juliet, Bernard and a pile of charred Other corpses) that Naomi and her people are not to be trusted ... and, oh yeah, Charlie's dead.

Hurley snaps into Terminator mode. His normally jovial face goes dead. When Sawyer threatens to use his walkie-talkie to warn Jack about Naomi -- against the wishes of Sayid, who thinks all communications are being monitored -- Hurley ends the debate by chucking the walkie-talkie into the ocean. With that, the group grabs a bunch of guns and heads into the woods to find Clueless Jack and his Roaming Horde.

Along the way, Hurley gets winded and drops back from the pack. Within moments he's lost, wandering through the dark forest and calling for help. And that's when he stumbles upon ...

Jacob's Love Shack!

Hurley creeps up to the shack and peeks through a broken window. A lantern burns on a table ... that weird dog painting still hangs from a nearby wall ... and there's an obscured man rocking in a chair!. A big eyeball suddenly pops into Hurley's view as a second person scares the living hell out of him. Hurley pounds back from the shack and darts away, but suddenly the shack appears in front of him (that's not a shack ... that's an RV!). Hurley trips and closes his eyes. And when he opens them ... he sees John Locke.

At this point, Locke's been MIA for at least a few hours. That whole "knifing the girl with the satellite phone" incident has made things a little dicey. And it appears -- if I'm reading this correctly -- that he opted to kill a few hours with Jacob. I think the scary eyeball that caused Hurley to soil his Underoos actually belonged to Locke.

So, Hurley tells Locke about Charlie's warning ("Not Penny's Boat") and the news confirms Locke's suspicions and, in his mind at least, justifies the back-stabbing he unloaded on Naomi. Hurley and Locke set off together and soon reunite with Desmond, Sayid, Sawyer, et al. The group has convened around the last remnant of Oceanic 815 -- the cockpit that crashed into the jungle.

Within moments, Jack and the other castaways arrive ... and this is when something very interesting indeed occurs. Jack sees Locke. Jack punches Locke. Jack grabs the gun from Locke's belt. Jack points the gun at Locke's head.

Yeah, but he wouldn't ... right? Nooo.

JACK PULLS THE TRIGGER!

* click *

The gun isn't loaded! But Jack didn't know that. Jack had every intention of splattering Locke's head all over the jungle floor.

I imagine it's pretty hard to repair that sort of rift ("Sorry I tried to blow your head off, John ... wanna get a pizza?")

And things only get worse. Jack is restrained by Sayid and Sawyer, which allows Locke to dust himself off and announce he's forming a splinter group that will be based in the abandoned Other barracks. If anyone wants to join him -- and survive the impending attack from Naomi's bloodthirsty cohorts -- all they need to do is round up and head out.

Jack initially thinks he's got the upper hand here, but Hurley turns the tables by being the first to join Team Locke. See, Hurley believes Charlie's warning and he isn't about to let his buddy die in vain, so it's off with Locke he goes. Claire joins up because the news of Charlie's death has turned her into a zombie (and, really, the barracks are a much better place to raise a child). Ben and Rousseau and Alex and Karl go with Locke as well.

But it's the final member of Team Locke that really surprises: Sawyer.

Kate is flabbergasted at Sawyer's decision. Sawyer plays it off as par for the con-man course, but what Kate doesn't know is that Sawyer and Locke have a newly-formed bond over the murder of Locke's con-man daddy.

Team Locke departs. Team Jack meanders away (I'm assuming ... we never actually see them leave). Jack and Kate stay behind and reminisce about the first time they ever visited the cockpit wreckage ... way back in the very first episode. As they talk/mope, the air above them hums with the sound of a helicopter.

A figure parachutes into the night sky and floats to the ground nearby. He plucks off his helmet.

"Are you Jack?" the bearded man asks.

And that's when it ends!

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "I'm trying to buy some jerky and a slushee and suddenly you're standing there over by the ho-hos!" -- Hurley to Dead Charlie.
  • Second Best Line: "Hurley, if you want to do a cannonball ... cannonball." -- Bernard
  • Is Mystery Coffin Person from "Through the Looking Glass" one of the Oceanic Six?
  • Naomi's final words were "Just tell my sister I love her." So, who's her sister?

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Confirmed Dead" -- The "rescuers" arrive, but their motives are murky at best. Airs Thursday, Feb. 7, 2008 at 9 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

My good friend Biffs did a few pvr pauses and screen shots.
the man in the rocking chair looks awfully similar to Christian Shepard.

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#1. Posted by: Zoop at January 31, 2008 11:22 PM

Sorry for the double post. But look at that Tie, isn't that the tie that all those ppl were wearing when questioning Hugo in the mental hospital, including Jack?

#2. Posted by: Phil ZOOP at January 31, 2008 11:28 PM

I totally called the Charlie sighting before it even happened! I knew that's who Hurley was running from. It's like Damon, Cuse, and I are one mind! :)

Mac...I missed you so!! *collapses breathlessly in mac's arms*

#3. Posted by: Trinity at January 31, 2008 11:39 PM

Hey Mac, it's great to have you back! Hope Little Mac & all are doing well.

Jack's gotten quite interested in killing these days, no? First he beats BEB (Bug-Eyed Ben) to a bloody pulp & tells Kate he'll kill him when rescue is imminent. Then he has no trouble overriding Locke's statement that he (Jack) won't kill him (Locke). I got the impression that Locke was surprised that Jack pulled the trigger... It appears that Jack has exchanged "Do no harm" for "An eye for an eye" as an oath.

Does Hurley feel like he betrayed the Lostaways by going w/Locke? It seems like he (Hurley) has taken refuge in the psych institution. And yes, Matthew Abbadon is pretty scary. Just for grins, I did a Google search on Abbadon & found 1) in Hebrew, Abaddon means "destruction" & that many Biblical scholars consider Abaddon to be Satan, the anti-Christ, or a dark angel (from Wikipedia); 2) in the Star Wars universe, Had Abbadon was an ancient mythic planet that may have been the home of the Jedi Order (from Wookieepedia).

Just as a final note, did anyone else wonder if the blonde w/her back to Hurley after Charlie's departure is Libby?

#4. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 31, 2008 11:52 PM

Could the man in the casket in the season 3 finale be Locke? It would make sense that Jack would go but say Locke isn't a friend or relative. Then he tells Kate he thought she'd be there and she says "why?"
This may have been discussed after last season's finale, but I kind of dropped off the blog for a while.

Great start to season 4! But the writers strike could ruin the season, and that really makes me angry! The strike needs to be resolved asap!

#5. Posted by: Becky at January 31, 2008 11:56 PM

Maybe you could go the Robert J. Sawyer route and call the future scenes "flashforwards". Seems a handier term.

Love your reviews!

#6. Posted by: Scott at February 1, 2008 12:21 AM

Just wanted to point out that Locke did indeed fire the old gun he found in the season three finale as he was aiming at the sat phone.

#7. Posted by: jj at February 1, 2008 12:21 AM

It seems that now Locke is the main guy on the island, and not Ben. Ben is currently under Jack's custody and he (locke) and Jacob are having meetings in Jacob's dissapearing house. Why is Ben so afraid of the people that are coming?, i mean he tells Russeau to take Alex away, anywhere, just not there and he even asks Jack to let him go with Locke even though he shot him and left him for dead. How does John Locke know that the people that are coming are evil? Could it be that the people that are coming to the "rescue" are the remainders of the Dharma iniciative coming to get some payback and kick Ben's ass for killing their comrades. hmmmm
Ah so many questions.
It was really freaky to see Jacob in the Rocking chair.
Great episode, lots of stuff to wait for on next weeks episode.
Great to hear from you again Mac.

#8. Posted by: mapache at February 1, 2008 12:32 AM

The lawyer that visited Hurley in the nuthouse looks like the Haitian "mind eraser" from "Heroes". 6'-5" not 7'-10"...

#9. Posted by: DocH at February 1, 2008 12:39 AM

- Locke did shoot the gun at the ground next to the sat phone in TTLG, so maybe there was only one bullet?

- I would guess that the casket does not contain one of the Oceanic Six because they're celebrities, and it would make bigger news than a tiny blurb in the newspaper.

- My favorite line was cannonball.

- Remember the Hoffs Drawlar funeral parlor? So the writers use the term "flashforward" for the future-flashes.

#10. Posted by: Dan at February 1, 2008 12:46 AM

I wondered if the blonde in the mental institution was Juliette. It sure looked like her from behind. When I first saw the guy sitting in Jacob's chair, I thought it was Jack, and I thought the guy who popped up in the window looked like Sayid. Now that I've seen the still picture, I think it looks like Christian. I could have sworn the guy had dark hair, though!

#11. Posted by: rhondab57 at February 1, 2008 1:04 AM

It's me again. I just wanted to clarify--I don't think that Christian Shepard is Jacob. I think Jacob can take whatever form he wants, such as Christian or Hurley's Dave, or Kate's horse.

#12. Posted by: rhondab57 at February 1, 2008 1:42 AM

Hey Mac, welcome back. I've been reading this blog since season 1, but barely ever posted. I loved this episode and actually almost shed a tear when hurley and claire were grieving over Charlie...Almost.. Anywho, great to have you back Mac (rhyme time!) even if it is just for 8 episodes (let's pray the writers get what they want)

><> Keep Swimmin'

#13. Posted by: Fish at February 1, 2008 2:16 AM

My theory on The Oceanic 6:
Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sawyer, Michael, Walt.
All of the people that were on the dock at the end of season 2

#14. Posted by: Krock at February 1, 2008 3:24 AM

did anyone else see the commercial in Eli Stone? The Oceanic commercial that had the glitch and the guy says "I can't trust them..." and he says "I found the flight?"
And they show shots of the plane and it's UNDERWATER???????!!!!!!!
What gives? Are they all dead?

#15. Posted by: brian at February 1, 2008 3:33 AM

Mac's Back!!! Are you real or will you disappear again if I count to five?

I think Matthew Abbadon was ol' Smokey taking human form, like when he appeared as Eko's brother.

Did Sayid go with Locke or stay with Jack?

I can't believe there are only 7 more episodes!

#16. Posted by: Clementine at February 1, 2008 6:03 AM

I also noted the similarity between the Oceanic guy and the Haitian!!!

Could Penny be Naomi's sister? Half sister?

And where Hurley says he made the wrong choice in going with Locke...who says that was the choice he made in this episode....theres still a whole lotta choices left to go!!!

Thats all i noted....

#17. Posted by: Naz at February 1, 2008 6:07 AM

No one else recognizes Matthew Abbadon as Lt. Daniels from the Wire? He plays a very gentle soul on that show so it was a surprise to see him in that role. It seems pretty obvious that helicopter dude from Saving Private Ryan is obviously George, things are getting very interesting. As always, they have raised a lot more questions than they have given answers. Genius.

#18. Posted by: richardalpert at February 1, 2008 6:11 AM

Also, where 'charlie' swims to the window in the questioning room, his hand bears the message 'they need you' instead of 'not pennys boat'....

#19. Posted by: Naz at February 1, 2008 6:17 AM

I've been calling them front stories.

I'm wondering if we will have anymore back stories - it seems like there was more history there to learn.

Great episode, and great recap and analysis by Mac and all.

I'm wondering if Juliette was in the casket, which would also explain Kate's bitterness. My husband thinks Sun because she got pregnant on the island. Good thought though that there would be more attention if the death were one of the "Oceanic Six."

I think it was Locke in the Jacob Shack.

When Charlie mentioned Naomi to Penny, she said, "Who's Naomi?" So if Penny is Naomi's sister, she doesn't appear to know she exists.

Can't wait for next week!!

#20. Posted by: equeyaya at February 1, 2008 6:48 AM

Great episode.

Anyone who thinks the writers don't know what they are doing is lost himself.

Going back to "Through the Looking Glass", did anyone else notice that when Jack is on the Bridge getting ready to jump off, he whispers "Forgive Me!", ....but it is a woman's voice?

Could he be channeling one of "The Betrayed"?

Just a thought.

#21. Posted by: Usually Lurkin' at February 1, 2008 7:58 AM

Thanks to everyone who pointed out that Locke *did* shoot the gun in the season 3 finale. I totally forgot about that! -- mac

#22. Posted by: mac at February 1, 2008 8:36 AM

Ok, what the heck did this episode tell us that we DIDN'T already know?

1) People get off the island, then seriously regret it.
2) Locke and Jack have a little disagreement.
3) Naomi may or may not be who she says she is.
4) Kate still has sticky fingers.
5) Sawyer still plays whatever side suits him at the time.
6) Jack is still too arrogant to see he may be wrong about something.
7) Bernard and Rose are still staying. 8) Charlie is still dead.

So what???????????????? We knew all that ahead of time! Sure, we may not have known that HURLEY was one of the people off, but this episode was almost a non-event! People cry, people are hurting....but we still are no closer to knowing WHY than we were 8 months ago.

BOOOOOOO!!!!

Taylor0822

#23. Posted by: taylor0822 at February 1, 2008 8:38 AM

@Becky: I thought that Locke was the man in the coffin too after this episode. He had no family or friends. Perhaps his legs are amputated after leaving the island because they don't really work?

@Dan: The Oceanic 6 might be something that registers in your brain after 2-3 years but Jack even says that he only has to give a few autographs and the cops don't seem to recognize Hurley when they take him down.

@Clementine: I believe that Sayid went with Jack. We saw the main characters who went with Locke: Sawyer, Hurley, Danielle, Ben, Alex, presumably Karl (Alex's boyfriend)

Overall I was on the edge of my seat again. You know they're always going to leave more questions than answers. Hurley seems to be making quite a career out of crashing cars!

#24. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 1, 2008 8:52 AM

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I think it's worth noting that Hurley SAW Jacob right away. Even Locke did not see him when he first entered the cabin with Ben last season. Interesting...Hurley must be "special" to the island as well.

#25. Posted by: Denise at February 1, 2008 8:59 AM

Hurley sees Christian shepherd in the rocking chair at Jacob's cabin. And it is Jacob who pops up in front of the window!

Also, Jack's former wife who I seem to recall being pregnant prior to the crash appears as noticably pregnant in last year's finale, when she sees downward spiral Jack in the hospital. So are we to assume all of this takes place in the span of 6 months? Its only been 3 on the island so far.....

Finally, I'm not sure its safe to say Kate is part of the Oceanic 6 - she was a fugitive before, she doesn't just get immunity for surviving on a freaky island for 3 months. In other words, she was rescued, just not publicly acknowledged.

#26. Posted by: thunder at February 1, 2008 9:14 AM

We paused it when the eye pops up in the window of Jacob's house and scares Hurley, and its definitely not Locke's eyeball, and it doesn't look recognizable eitehr. Any thoughts? Someone we don't know yet?

Also, whatever happened to Ms. Klugh? I was thinking about her today for some reason. Will she come back?

I don't think the coffin person was one of the "Oceanic Six" either, since it would've been more publicized. I wonder who it was...

I'm so glad LOST is back. :)

#27. Posted by: Hurley is Hot at February 1, 2008 9:17 AM

Just a comment on Locke's gun. If you remember from the episode where Ben shot Locke and he fell into the pit, Locke got the gun from one of the dead people so he could shoot himself. He looked into the barrel to see if it was loaded and there were a few bullets in it, but it wasn't fully loaded. This explains why the gun was empty by the time Jack tried to shoot Locke in last night's episode. It was quite a surprise to me that he pulled the trigger. My theory on the Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Sayid.

#28. Posted by: LL at February 1, 2008 9:24 AM

Welcome back, everyone.
Mac, you posted a recap and didn't notify the forum?!?!?!?!?! :(

#29. Posted by: hurling at February 1, 2008 9:27 AM

@Hurling: Ugh, my bad. I'll post one now. -- mac

#30. Posted by: mac at February 1, 2008 9:29 AM

Mac, thanks! So glad you're back...we all missed you madly!

Something interesting to note concerning the Oceanic 6:

Back in mid-December, Kristen Veech (from E! Watch with Kristen) had posted the following "teaser" to her blog:

"Well, the Oceanic 6 are the 6 people who get off the Island and are semi-famous. They are...." She went on to list the names! More recently, in a video she did earlier this week to preview the S4 premiere, she mentioned the Oceanic 6 and explained that Damon and Carlton had personally asked her to remove the names from her site, which she did.

However, if you want to see her original post and the NAMES of the supposed Oceanic 6, go to spoilerfix(dot)com and scroll down to the "general" section and read the post from Dec. 13. I will NOT list the names here out of respect to those who do not want to possibly be spoiled. Very unfair and uncool, so if you do go and look, don't come back here and post em.

What I'm curoius about is the possibility that this was a designed ploy/diversion on the part of the producers. Perhaps they purposely fed her mis-information and then asked her to "remove" it so that these names would seem legit. Or, maybe they are accurate. If so, there is one name inparticular that is missing that causes me great anxiety.

Can't wait till next week!

#31. Posted by: GatorGal at February 1, 2008 9:34 AM

I would add to taylor0822's list that Hurley can see Jacob.

#32. Posted by: L B at February 1, 2008 9:35 AM

I recommend http://flyoceanicair*com/. Interesting video regarding another character of Lost.

This was the same guy that cut in on the Oceanic Air commercial at the end of the Eli Stone show, but this video has more information in it. Just a minute or two.

I have a feeling that it is another online game, and not really related to the show.

Great marketing by the producers, especially with the Writers' strike cutting the season short. They know people will follow this just to keep up on their favorite show.

#33. Posted by: ANTP? at February 1, 2008 9:38 AM

Dude! My first thought at the end of the episode was "Can't wait to checkout Mac's comments." Thanks for the recap.

#34. Posted by: Walker at February 1, 2008 9:38 AM

Just a comment on Locke's gun. If you remember from the episode where Ben shot Locke and he fell into the pit, Locke got the gun from one of the dead people so he could shoot himself. He looked into the barrel to see if it was loaded and there were a few bullets in it, but it wasn't fully loaded.
→ 28. Posted by: LL at February 1, 2008 09:24 AM

I re-watched the ep were Locke is going to shoot himself, when he open it it has completed loaded (six bullets). I remmember this I was thinking with the way he was holding the gun to his head he was going to miss or just graze his head but he would have five more bullets.

#35. Posted by: micHael at February 1, 2008 9:39 AM

Did anyone else notice Hurley's drawing right before Charlie appeared? Looked like an igloo. I wonder if there's any connection btwn that picture and Penny's team (remember they were stationed somewhere that appeared to be in the artic)?

BTW: Great episode!

#36. Posted by: duchess at February 1, 2008 9:39 AM

Welcome back Mac.

The eye in Jacob's Love Shack was certainly Locke's. I DVR'd it and you can tell by the wrinkles around his eye that it's him. Does this mean now that Hurley has the "island" ability if he can see Jacob? Was the "it" he was refering to when talking to Jack in the future the island, or possibly Jacob?

Also, in rewatching "Through the Looking Glass" the night before, the coffin that Jack stands over at the funeral is really small. If anyone else noticed it, let me know I'm not crazy. It almost looked Walt sized, if he wasn't ten feet tall by now.

Mac, may I suggest "Flash-forward" if looking to replace "future-flash".

#37. Posted by: The Other Other at February 1, 2008 9:43 AM

I would have to disagree about Locke's death being well publicized. If you look in the obituaries there are almost always some minor celebrity who did one thing several years ago that you would say, "Oh, I remember him/her." Not semi-famous person who dies is big news.

#38. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 1, 2008 9:43 AM

I think it's interesting that Hurley said to Jack while at the mental institution that he shouldn't have went with Locke. Hurley seems to be regretting his decision to go with Locke and somehow that decision seems to have affected everyone and been very crucial in the way things turned out. Also interesting: even though Hurley decided to leave with Locke, he and Jack BOTH were rescued.

Or, who knows, it may have been that Hurley decided to leave with Locke to spruce up Jacob's cabin and the decision has nothing to do with the outcome of the rescue whatsoever. He may simply be regretting a wallpaper choice.

#39. Posted by: SuperMe at February 1, 2008 9:44 AM

@ Clementine: just rewatched and Sayid is definitely with Jack.

@ Hurly is Hot: Mrs. Klugh died at the end of last season. She had Mickhail shoot her outside the communication station after Sayid, Locke and Kate captured them.

Other thoughts:

Naomi's sister could possibly be Nadia? Remember, Nadia has crossed paths with Locke and Cahrlie in addition to Sayid.

My fav line was when Rose called the satellite phone a gizmo! I love that word (and use it all the time)

For those of you that think that Jacob might be Christian Shepherd, have you seen Mobisode #13 on the ABC site? If not, check it out -- it is a flashback to the the crash and invovles a live Christian talking with Vincent!

Man in casket? My money is on Michael. We know it is a man and he was from NY. Michael fits the bill and is also neither family to Jack nor a friend since his betrayal put the wheels in motion for the initial capture.

#40. Posted by: GatorGal at February 1, 2008 9:48 AM

ive been thinking it could be michael in the casket. one of the only enlightening pop ups on wednesdays re airing of the finale indicated that the person who died was born in new york and died in la. this would also explain jack saying he was neither friend nor family if nothing else transpired after michael left the island. i cant explain why walt wouldnt be at the viewing unless he has used his powers to trick a bird into taking him back to the island and then killing the bird and its whole family, but michael hasnt been shown to have any other family.

#41. Posted by: mdc at February 1, 2008 9:52 AM

@SuperMe

As mentioned before, there is still PLENTY more show left, the decision to go with Locke could very well be another point in time where they have to split up again. I guess we cannot jump to any conclusions yet.
If anyone needs me, I will be hibernating until next Thursday!

#42. Posted by: Phil ZOOP at February 1, 2008 10:03 AM

Okay, so I'm looking screenshots of Jacob as seen in last season and I'm noticing some differences: he's a bit more cleaned up in last night's episode than the first time we saw him. In the past, it looks like he's wearing the Other's "tromping through the forest" gear and his hair is longer and more unkempt. Now he has on a suit and got a haircut. What gives? Did he clean up because he knew Hurley was coming for a visit and first impressions matter?

I'm going out on a limb here and saying Jacob is one of the survivors of the Black Rock. I know it probably ran aground over 200 years ago, but dang it, if that Richard Alpert didn't age in over 30 years, what's another 170 for someone with awesome light-flashing powers like Jacob?

#43. Posted by: SuperMe at February 1, 2008 10:13 AM

Welcome back Mac!

I missed this forum. The only thing I'm going to add is that I don't think the man sitting in the chair was Christian Shepard. I think it was Charlie. We know the island makes people see things from their past, that would make sense in this case. Plus when i tivod it last night, it looked a lot like Charlie with his new haircut.

Also, did anyone catch what the wind was saying when Hurley found the cabin? I tried to listen, but I couldn't get a clear sound.

My question is why when Hurley was asked about Ana Lucia, did he claim to not know her? Is that part of the, "you didn't say anything" that Jack was talking about when he visited Hurley.

Welcome back everyone!

#44. Posted by: Sam at February 1, 2008 10:19 AM

So the person who said it was going to come down to a Jack verse Locke camps was right based on what we learn from last nights EP.

I was thinking about this question and what I would do if I was on the island and had to make the choice. I would go with Locke because of the all the strangeness on the island and the warning from Charlie. Also if I was wrong then I would be one of the last to get off the island but if I was with Jack I would be dead if the people coming are who Ben thinks they are.

I was thinking it would be intersting for all us to post who we would choose and why. Post if you like.

#45. Posted by: micHael at February 1, 2008 10:21 AM

Hey guys! Does anyone know of a website where we could re-watch the Oceanic air add that aired during Eli-Stone???
I think that that add is really important to this episode.
Mac??? Anyone???

#46. Posted by: mapache at February 1, 2008 10:22 AM

Welcome back, Mac and "Lost"!

I didn't notice how tan Kate was, but I did notice how thin Jack is. Someone give the good(?) doctor a sandwich!!

#47. Posted by: Cate at February 1, 2008 10:27 AM

Oh it's good to have the show back. And you too Mac.

I agree with your comments about Hurley. There clearly seems to be some potential for him to become a very pivotal character. Also, he's always had some sort of relationship with the island....I'm thinking of the numbers and how they played into his life pre and post crash. The fact that he saw Jacob and the shack only reinforces this.

The six; I would think that in addition to Jack, Kate and Hurley, you would have to add Jin and Sun (they had to get off the island if she wanted to live) and Juliet who wanted to get off the island as much as anyone.

Fun episode and again, it's great to have the Lost Blog back again.

Thanks Mac!

#48. Posted by: petew at February 1, 2008 10:29 AM

Oh, and I don't think we should forget . . .

MIF!!

#49. Posted by: ANTP? at February 1, 2008 11:15 AM

I agree with #37 that the coffin looked small. I noticed this right away last season. I think that it is Walt who is in the coffin. We don't know how far in the future the funeral takes place, but it may only be a few months after their supposed rescue. Remember, they've only been on the island for 90 days, so if only a few months have passed since the rescue and the funeral, then Walt would not have grown more than a few inches. Remember he was only 9 I believe at the time of the crash. So even if a year had passed (3 months on island, 9 months post-rescue) he would still be only 10, which would call for a smaller casket. So let's assume it is Walt in the coffin. If Walt and Michael did actually make it home after Ben released them in Season 2, surely part of the deal would have been that they would have to be under hidden identities. Otherwise there would be too many questions from the media about the fate of the other passengers, which Ben would have none of. Ben does not want anyone to know about the existence of his special island, let alone to find it. So under new identities, Michael and Walt would have no family or friends. Also, Jack is neither Walt's family nor friend, since Walt was only a kid, and Jack really had little contact with him anyway on the island. So then why wouldn't Micheal at least be at the funeral? Well I'm sure he would be unless he is dead himself by this time. And why would the other Oceanic 6 not go to the funeral (like Kate)? Well maybe it will be revealed later that Walt did something bad/evil, which contributed to the fate of at least some of the Losties. Therefore they'd have no interest in his death. Or maybe some would, like Jack. Perhaps there is contraversary amoung the Losties as to who is good or bad. Wasn't Walt also born in NY? And if that's where he and Michael lived prior to the crash then perhaps that's where they returned after being sent home by Ben.

#50. Posted by: BEMH at February 1, 2008 11:17 AM

Not sure if this means anything or maybe it's just a production oversight, but Jack's beard definitely grows a little during his scene with Hurley in the gym when they shoot some hoops.

I found it interesting because he mentions he may grow a beard.

#51. Posted by: Adam at February 1, 2008 11:19 AM

I agree with #37 that the coffin looked small. I noticed this right away last season. I think that it is Walt who is in the coffin. We don't know how far in the future the funeral takes place, but it may only be a few months after their supposed rescue. Remember, they've only been on the island for 90 days, so if only a few months have passed since the rescue and the funeral, then Walt would not have grown more than a few inches. Remember he was only 9 I believe at the time of the crash. So even if a year had passed (3 months on island, 9 months post-rescue) he would still be only 10, which would call for a smaller casket. So let's assume it is Walt in the coffin. If Walt and Michael did actually make it home after Ben released them in Season 2, surely part of the deal would have been that they would have to be under hidden identities. Otherwise there would be too many questions from the media about the fate of the other passengers, which Ben would have none of. Ben does not want anyone to know about the existence of his special island, let alone to find it. So under new identities, Michael and Walt would have no family or friends. Also, Jack is neither Walt's family nor friend, since Walt was only a kid, and Jack really had little contact with him anyway on the island. So then why wouldn't Micheal at least be at the funeral? Well I'm sure he would be unless he is dead himself by this time. And why would the other Oceanic 6 not go to the funeral (like Kate)? Well maybe it will be revealed later that Walt did something bad/evil, which contributed to the fate of at least some of the Losties. Therefore they'd have no interest in his death. Or maybe some would, like Jack. Perhaps there is contraversary amoung the Losties as to who is good or bad. Wasn't Walt also born in NY? And if that's where he and Michael lived prior to the crash then perhaps that's where they returned after being sent home by Ben.

#52. Posted by: BEMH at February 1, 2008 11:21 AM

Very glad the show is back and very glad you are back Mac. Thanks.

#53. Posted by: Ronny B at February 1, 2008 11:30 AM

ABC kept advertising this as a 2 hour premiere. It was actually a 1 hour episode with a 1 hour recap. ABC also did a recap last night.

I feel a bit ripped off! I was expecting 2 hours of new but just got 1.

#54. Posted by: Sean at February 1, 2008 11:31 AM

ABC kept advertising this as a 2 hour premiere. It was actually a 1 hour episode with a 1 hour recap. ABC also did a recap last night.

I feel a bit ripped off! I was expecting 2 hours of new but just got 1.

#55. Posted by: Sean at February 1, 2008 11:32 AM

Welcome back MAC! GRAA..
Hey you all everybody - did anyone else hear Naomi say something like "Isabella... tell my sister I love her..." Just before she died. I could have sworn she said Isabel or Isabella. Anyone?

One other thing that totally bugs me - nothing to do with plot or anything, just the makeup people. In TTLG, Charlie had the snot beat out of him and was bleeding A LOT. When Sayid freed him and he went over to the shot blonde girl to get the code to turn off the jamming equipment, his face is clean as can be. No blood at all. Then, when he's entering the code, he's all bloody again. Just bugged me that the makeup people and the proofers missed this in post production.

Anxiously awaiting next week's epi.

Welcome back everyone! Missed you!

#56. Posted by: BunnyLover at February 1, 2008 11:38 AM

I just wanted to add to my posting about it being Walt in the coffin. The only thing that does not fit with this assumption is the part of Walt standing over Locke in the open grave and looking clearly older. But this vision of him could later be explained along with Hurley's vision of Charlie post-death and all the other strange visions on the island. The fact that Walt was older in the vision really can't be helped with the filming timeline. Perhaps the writer's tried to disguise the actor's aging by the angle they filmed him to hide his height.

#57. Posted by: BEMH at February 1, 2008 11:38 AM

I think Naomi's sister is Cindy's scarf!!

(That's either really funny or 8mo's away has my sense of LOST humor WAY off!!)

I love the name 'The Oceanic Six'...very solid!

No other coments...just a good continuation of last season's finale. Can't beat a Hurley-centric episode too.

#58. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 1, 2008 11:38 AM

I guess the big QUESTION this EP creates is who are the Oceanic 6. We knew two of them, Jack and Kate and now Hurley. So who are the other three. It has to be three other people from the plane so it can not be Juliet or Desmond. I believe it is Claire, Aaron, Sawyer, and Jin. I know this is four but would Aaron (Claire baby) be grouped as an Oceanic 6 since he was born on the island. Anyone else have a guess?

#59. Posted by: micHael at February 1, 2008 11:42 AM

I am so glad to be back here discussing and waxing philosophically about LOST...it has been way too long!

@rhondab57....I too thought it was Juliet at the table at the institution behind Hurley...

Some thoughts and questions...

Did Hurley ever reveal to anyone else on the island that he had won the lottery? Or is Bernard the first person to hear of this?

I think it is interesting that Hurley remarked to Bernard as well that "when I go back I am going to be free" but yet when we see him in the flash-forward, he seems more trapped by something/someone than ever...looks like his bad luck curse hasn't run its course after all...

Who are the "they" that Matthew Abbodal is referring to when he questions Hurley in the hospital?

I am stuck on the whole Hurley sees Jacob's cabin thing...First, does anyone else think that the name Jacob holds anything significance to the biblical reference of Jacob's ladder? It seems like an obvious reference, but maybe too obvious? Second, does this mean Hurley sees "Jacob" because he is as in tune with the island's "powers" as Locke is? I thought the fact that he saw the cabin door open in his second vision was signficant because maybe it symbolized an invitation? Like Hurley is worthy enough to be "let in" on Jacob's secret? I too thought it was Christian Shepard in the rocking chair...when I paused it on that frame, I could have sworn it was.

I was also VERY intrigued by what DC (dead Charlie) said to Hurley: "I am dead, but I am here" because it struck me that this line could also apply to unusual visions of other characters:
-Eko's brother
-Jack's father

And other odd visions on the island:
-Kate's horse
-backwards talkin' drippin' wet Walt
-suddenly aged Walt who talks to Locke when he is in the pit

What does it all mean???? And P.S....how could the other guy in the institution give Hurley a head's up about the "guy staring at him"??? Does this mean other people can actually see DC???

Sorry for the looooooooooong post...I am just so excited to be back!!! I am looking forward to everyone's insights and can't wait to continue the conversation...

Namaste and WGNABB!

#60. Posted by: Vikki at February 1, 2008 11:44 AM

Maybe something happened on the island that forced the crew to leave and in turn had only space to bring alone 6 members?

Also, my favorite line I'm surprised no one mentioned it... was:

Ben to Jack: With your permission Jack, I would like to go with John.

#61. Posted by: aitriad at February 1, 2008 11:46 AM

can tell you how good it feels to be back with the ol' gang...u guys are my people

anyway...u know the guy in the bath robe walking around outside with hurley at the institution...he could see charlie...what was the deal with that?

maybe that guy was a figment of hurley's imagination

#62. Posted by: lostme at February 1, 2008 11:47 AM

http://www*gitsiegirl*com/the-lost-experience-explained/

This website talks about the online game, "The Lost Experience". One of the bullet points really intrigued me, simply because of Hugo's drawing of the eskimo's and icehouse.
It mentions that testing has been done on mental patients in Iceland. Now, I know that Iceland is very green, and Greenland is mostly ice, but for some reason I think this has to be connected somehow, or maybe I'm just losing it.

#63. Posted by: ANTP? at February 1, 2008 11:57 AM

Thanks Mac for a great recap!

@Vikki - how could the other guy in the institution give Hurley a head's up about the "guy staring at him"???

I was wondering the same thing. My only thought is that I am not too sure that any of the characters around Hurley are real. I think that he might be having severe hallucinations and that he imagined the other patient as a way to introduce his brain to Charlie.

Wouldn't it be crazy if we found out he hallucinated Jack at the end too - as he thought Jack would be after life on the island returning to medicine. But really Jack is falling apart too?


#64. Posted by: agunther at February 1, 2008 11:58 AM

I think the person in the coffin is Ben. The man has no family and certainly not a friend. I also am curious as to who Kate is with after the rescue and suspect it is the same guy she was in love with before she became a fugitive.

#65. Posted by: sleepy at February 1, 2008 12:01 PM

Ok, i finally found the effing site.
http://tinyurl.com/2fzkc8

On this site you can watch the Oceanic air add from last night that aired sometime in the middle of Eli Stone, you can clearly see the wreckage at the bottom of the ocean and the bearded Aussie dude there says: "I cannot trust these people", so is he ON the search and rescue boat that Naomi and E.T. dude are on???

#66. Posted by: mapache at February 1, 2008 12:05 PM

.....George McClosky.....

I believe that was the name 'George' gave on the phone with Jack...knowing of the writers penchant for fun with anagrams, I came up with the words 'Secresy' as part of it - maybe I have the McCloskey name wrong? Anyone hear a different name???

#67. Posted by: SonnyESQ at February 1, 2008 12:08 PM

'Secrecy'

sorry

#68. Posted by: SonnyESQ at February 1, 2008 12:10 PM

One more quick thing...
While Hurley is in the interrogation room at the police station, I think it is Charlie that is swimming underwater and smashes the glass during that hallucination. I paused it on the frame right before the glass breaks, and you can see the "not Penny's boat" on the palm...

#69. Posted by: Vikki at February 1, 2008 12:17 PM

re: "flash-forwards"/"future-flashes": why not call em what hurley called desmond's premonitions: futuregrams...

#70. Posted by: arbitronics at February 1, 2008 12:28 PM

Great episode! Mac even though your reviews are a bit shorter now, they are still just as hilarious! Mumbling in french and licking her paw... ha haha.

But as for whos in the casket... I originally thought it was sawyer, which would explain why kate might not want to go see him. But since it would have been more publicized if it was the oceanic six, i think it's Ben. No one liked Ben. He killed his only family member. No friends due to lifetime seclusion on an island....

anyone else agree??

#71. Posted by: nina at February 1, 2008 12:30 PM

sorry sleepy, didn't notice you posted that as well.... :/

#72. Posted by: nina at February 1, 2008 12:34 PM

I think it is Walt in the coffin. The coffin does appear to be on the smaller side, and when Jack pulls up in front of the Funeral Parlor the shot pans to three African American men standing on the sidewalk. Also, the Funeral Director also appears to be African American. Not to stereotype, but you would tend to believe that this is predominantly an African American neighborhood so someone of African American decent would be in the Funeral parlor.


+++++++

#73. Posted by: opserc at February 1, 2008 12:43 PM

Instead of a flash back, it is a flash forward?

#74. Posted by: db at February 1, 2008 1:14 PM

Another DVR moment.

During the commercials for Lost, at the end, there is the logo screen with the Lost logo in front of an Island. What is reflected in the water? It doesn't appear to be a reflection of the Island, but something else.

#75. Posted by: Neal Mindflood at February 1, 2008 1:16 PM

@ neal mindflood


you can see the reflection of a city in the water

#76. Posted by: lostme at February 1, 2008 1:17 PM

@neil mindflood...I was going to say the same thing but then I thought I was really nuts in seeing something different in the reflection...I am glad someone else saw it too! To me, it looked like the mountain line of the island was reflected as a city horizon line in the water....

#77. Posted by: vikki at February 1, 2008 1:20 PM

One comment about all of you who think Hurley saw "Jacob." How do you know that was even Jacob. It could of been Jack's father visiting Jacob. (which would still be crazy that Jack's dad was on the island)

#78. Posted by: Lost Is Found at February 1, 2008 1:21 PM

i'm sure everyone watched last season's finale two nights ago, and we all saw future Jack tell the new head-o-hospital man to call his father down to see which one had more to drink - an odd thing to say to someone who knows his father is dead. we all kind of blew it off last year, but now that we saw Christian Shepard in Jacob's lair, that may need to be revisited.

#79. Posted by: jiggy at February 1, 2008 1:30 PM

ok...

if the people on the boat mean to do some kind of harm to the losties anyway, why does naomi lie when she gets on the phone with george?

hmmmm????

#80. Posted by: lostme at February 1, 2008 1:30 PM

It does make sense that it would be Ben in the casket, BUT why would Ben have left the island? Clearly many people were left behind. I don't think Ben would willingly leave. Even when he needed business taken care of off the island, he always sent one of his henchmen to do the deeds. But I suppose he could have been forced off the island for some reason. Also, didn't the obituary state the person was born in NY? We know Ben was born outside of Portland, although he claims to have been born on the island. Although I do agree Ben should not be ruled out as being in the casket, I still think it is Walt.

A separate point: Not only was dead Charlie pointed out to Hurley by a patient, but so was the Oceanic lawyer pointed out to Hurley by a staff member. Was he really a lawyer concerned about reducing any lawsuits and restoring Oceanic's reputation by finding more survivors (thus asking "Are they still alive?") or was he someone from the island pre-rescue that we have yet to meet?

#81. Posted by: BEMH at February 1, 2008 1:35 PM

@ 75, 76, and 77 (Neal Mindflood, Lostme, and Vikki).

Regarding the city you see in the water. Here is my opinion on that.

If any of you watched the showing of the 2 hour finale on Wednesday night, the producers mentioned in their little pop-ups, that the two worlds of Jack are opposites of each other; hench, "through the looking glass". They said that Jack's life on the island, where he was in control and was the leader, was the opposite of his life in the "real world" where he was falling apart and was suicidal.

I took the reflection of Lost Island vs. the City, to be an homage to the two being polar opposites. That's just my take on it though.

On another note. The man in the rocking chair is Jack's dad, but we don't know for sure that it is "Jacob", do we? We are all kind of assuming that, which I think is what the producers want us to believe.

#82. Posted by: ANTP? at February 1, 2008 1:35 PM

@ ANTP

That is exactly what I mean about Jack's father not being JAcob. The producers know about screen grabs and they wouldn't make it that easy.

#83. Posted by: Lost Is Found at February 1, 2008 1:38 PM

I keep thinking of different things to point out. I know this is regarding Season 3 Finale, but it was just brought up on Wednesday's episode . . .

When Jack (in the future) is looking at the patient's chart, and is noticeably intoxicated, the new chief of surgery comes in. Did anybody see that his last name is the same last name as our beloved Bernard? Looks like Bernard and Rose have a child who is a doctor as well!!

#84. Posted by: ANTP? at February 1, 2008 1:42 PM

WGNAA - We're gonna need another acronym:

FFFFFG - flash-forward/future-flash/flashgram

DANTOGSDC? - Did anyone notice that other guy saw Dead Charlie?

WIM? Where is Meg?

#85. Posted by: hurling at February 1, 2008 1:55 PM

I think the Oceanic Six has something to do with the 'List' that was mentioned in season 2. It was said that (I think it was Sawyer) wasn't on the list and they didn't know why he was part of the group.
Anyone remember who else was supposed to be on the list (Locke?)

I don't think it's Walt in the coffin. I think he's already dead and it's dead-but-alive Walt the visits Locke.

I want to see Ethan arise from the dead and perform surgery at Jack's hospital.

#86. Posted by: Ethan'sGirl at February 1, 2008 1:57 PM

@ANTP...about the doctor's last name being the same as Bernard and Rose's...that was one of the pop up clues in the replay of season 3 finale on Wednesday...the clue said that the doctor scheduled to perform the surgery on the crash victim shares the same last name as Bernard, but I didn't even realize the doctor in the clue is the chief of staff with the name tag on. However, didn't Rose and Bernard meet and marry later in life? How could they have a son that is so old now? Unless it's Bernard's son and not Rose's...

And also, ANTP, about your theory of the island/city reflection in the water...bravo! I didn't catch the mirror image reference there. I think I agree with you.

I am not so sure that it "is" Christian Shepard in the chair either. I guess I should have written it is his IMAGE in the chair, but, I agree, I think it's Jacob that's actually in the chair taking on the form or image of Jack's dad...

#87. Posted by: Vikki at February 1, 2008 2:04 PM

I've looked at screen caps online (losteastereggs.blogspot.com) and it is DEFINITELY Christian Shephard in the rocking chair, no question. I don't know if that means Jacob=Christian necessarily, though. The eye in the window is unclear--the head definitely seems to have hair, so it can't be Locke.

Charlie's(?) hand says "They Need You" when Hurley has his hallucination in the police station.

I also thought it very interesting that Hurley could see the people in Jacob's shack, or that the shack even appeared to him--although Hurley does have a history of seeing people others cannot see. Also interesting that another inmate "saw" Charlie.

#88. Posted by: No-L at February 1, 2008 2:07 PM

Jack may be doing okay in this future world, off the island, but there were signs in last night's episode that he was only barely holding things together. I can't say mixing alcohol in your oj before work is a good thing.

#89. Posted by: LC at February 1, 2008 2:12 PM

FYI - There were two websites listed in the Oceanic commercial that played during Eli Stone. The first was the obvious flyoceanicair.com, but the other you catch a glimpse of as the the the other video cuts in. If you watch it in slow motion with a DVR you can see it is find815.com. Interesting stuff. I like that they are doing the web stories again.

#90. Posted by: Jason at February 1, 2008 2:24 PM

Wow! I'm so happy to start posting about Lost again, especially here. Missed your reviews Mac. Eight months...goodness gracious...but it was WORTH THE WAIT (I'm all giddy).And Mac, you're still so freakin' funny.

Just a few comments:

1. Excellent season opening! Geez, I cried, screamed, a bunch of oh-no's and of course, "damn Jack mucked up again!"
2. Still lovin' Hurley. Back in "Dave", I thought perhaps Hurley's a little off his rocker but NOW, he's one of the "I see dead people and can feel a mean slap!" kinda folk. Problem is, he doesn't quite know that yet so he needs to get up to speed with his special talent.

3. The eye-ball in Jacobs shack, I believe belongs to Charlie.

4. Mr. Abbadon. CREEPY! I swear I saw him opening the door to the gym where Hurley was playing basketball but Jack walked in instead. Gonna slow play that scene again...and again..

5. My bet is that Locke is in the casket because his name is Johnathan. Simple.

6. Desmond isn't on the up & up about his flashes.

#91. Posted by: amelia at February 1, 2008 2:25 PM

I think Hurley's Camaro the one he fixed with his Dad.

Good job Mac, as always. I was looking forwardto reading this since 10 PM latt night.

Where's crispy? good to see Red...Neck

#92. Posted by: CC at February 1, 2008 2:28 PM

What about the guy that parachuted in? Actor Jeremy Davies or as I now call him "Charlie-Lite." Let's get rid of one bearded actor for another.

What was up with the Oceanic Air commericial during Eli Stone? What am I missing?

The Hurley-Claire moment did bring a tear to my eye :::sniff, sniff:::

#93. Posted by: Connie at February 1, 2008 2:28 PM

The man in the chair from Lostpedia:

Just after the crash, a few minutes prior to the start of the series, Christian (wearing white tennis shoes) found Vincent in the jungle. After talking to him for a moment, he tells the dog to go wake up his son. As Vincent trots off, Christian says, "He has work to do." ("So It Begins")

He was later seen on the Island, still wearing the white tennis shoes, several times by Jack. The exact nature of these "appearances" is still unknown, but when Jack found his coffin, Christian's body was not inside. ("Walkabout") ("White Rabbit")

In "A Tale of Two Cities", Jack hears his father's voice through the intercom in his cell in the Hydra.

He is, along with Yemi, one of two deceased bodies on the Island that have gone missing and then later appeared to people. Also, Christian, Yemi, and Emily Linus all died off of the Island but appeared to people on the Island.

When Hurley gets separated from the group during "Beginning of the End", Jacob's cabin appears before him. When Hurley looks in the window, he sees Christian Shephard sitting in Jacob's rocking chair, donning the same suit, tie, and shoes from prior seasons. ("The Beginning of the End")

After the Island
In the flash forward in "Through the Looking Glass" Jack references him twice as if he was still alive. First, he presents a pharmacist with a prescription Jack says was written by Christian Shephard (although possibly Jack could have had some of his father's prescription tablets and written the prescription himself). Second, Jack tells Dr. Hamill to get his father "down here" and see if he is drunker than his father.

#94. Posted by: IdMonster at February 1, 2008 2:28 PM

One other point it mentioned:

Christian was said to be dead in the Official Lost Podcast on April 20, 2007, though the creators of Lost qualified their statement by saying that they "may be using the word 'dead' in a sense we [the audience] don't fully understand yet." This indicates an uncertain status as to Christian.

Perhaps Charlie is also "dead" in a sense that we don't fully understand yet...

#95. Posted by: IdMonster at February 1, 2008 2:33 PM

For years, the producers have been screaming at us that the show's premise is not purgatory. But why for the last few episodes have they beaten us over the head with characters telling us that they are DEAD?
Last night's exclamation mark was when Hurley tells Dead Charlie he's dead, and DC SLAPS Hurley in a "so are you!" metaphysical moment.
The physical contact is evidence that they are on the same plane of existence. So my new working theory is that all the characters are dead. Everyone.
Instead of the conventional thought that once one dies on earth you go to heaven, hell, or cease to exist, what if your body and soul travels to a waystation (an island) in a parallel dimension close to your own. You may not even realize you have died. In this new place, you exist until you die again. Then you travel to another parallel dimension which may overlap or intersect with your past life or lives. So in the flash-forwards, the Oceanic Six were returned to their old existence by being killed on the island near the intersection point of their past parallel dimension. The haunting secret of the Oceanic Six is that there are aware that they are among the Living Dead in their own old time line.

#96. Posted by: welh at February 1, 2008 2:33 PM

For years, the producers have been screaming at us that the show's premise is not purgatory. But why for the last few episodes have they beaten us over the head with characters telling us that they are DEAD?
Last night's exclamation mark was when Hurley tells Dead Charlie he's dead, and DC SLAPS Hurley in a "so are you!" metaphysical moment.
The physical contact is evidence that they are on the same plane of existence. So my new working theory is that all the characters are dead. Everyone.
Instead of the conventional thought that once one dies on earth you go to heaven, hell, or cease to exist, what if your body and soul travels to a waystation (an island) in a parallel dimension close to your own. You may not even realize you have died. In this new place, you exist until you die again. Then you travel to another parallel dimension which may overlap or intersect with your past life or lives. So in the flash-forwards, the Oceanic Six were returned to their old existence by being killed on the island near the intersection point of their past parallel dimension. The haunting secret of the Oceanic Six is that there are aware that they are among the Living Dead in their own old time line.

#97. Posted by: welh at February 1, 2008 2:35 PM

I thought the best part of the show was when Rouseau belted Ben. hahahaha

Was a bit disapointed that we didn't get a complete jawdropper of an episode after waiting all this time but maybe next week ... loyal fans deserve one.

I must say that the actor who plays Hurley did a SPECTACULAR job! He's a much better actor than I thought.
Jacob was dressed very differently from last season and cleaned up, too. Looks like Jacks dad ... but then he could change his appearance ... maybe he was the one talking to Echo as his bro. Maybe he's the smoke monster, too. Why would he say help me to Locke? Has Ben got something on him? Keeping him contained with that ring of "ash"?

#98. Posted by: Hurley ho at February 1, 2008 2:43 PM

I think the man in the coffin is Michael because the obit said he is survived by a teenaged son. When the plane crashed in 2004, Walt was 10. The FF was dated to be in 2007 (based on other articles in the newspaper where Jack found the obit, and the fact that his cell phone model came out in 07) so that would make him 13.
I don't believe Juliette would be one of the Oceanic 6 because she wasn't on the plane. She may still get off the island, but she wouldn'y be considered one of the Oceanic 6 simply b/c she's not a survivor of the crash.

#99. Posted by: Trinity at February 1, 2008 2:48 PM

I hope this hasnt been posted already, but 5 of the 6 have been revealed.

Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin

Season 3 finale showed Sun & Jin on the Oceanic plane behind drunk, bearded Jack.

Kate alluded to having to get back to "him" which means the 6th person could be Sawyer. Just a thought...

#100. Posted by: lostinAZ at February 1, 2008 3:06 PM

I think it is safe to use the term "flash-forward" It is a common literary device, and the writers of the show love to mirror the use of other writings and genres, so we might as well stick with the common literary technique of "flash-forward"

By the way: I loved the episode, and I am enjoying the character development. It is nice to get answers, but I think this show is so much more than just mysteries and answers, it is about humanity at its core.

#101. Posted by: kevin at February 1, 2008 3:07 PM

Did you mention how Hurley apologized to Jack for going with Locke's splinter group? That was HUGE!

#102. Posted by: Dave Cano at February 1, 2008 3:22 PM

I just had a thought. When Naomi says on the phone, "Tell my sister I love her," maybe that's a code to tell the people on the feighter/helicopter that she's been hurt or something.

Does anyone else think that's a possibility.

#103. Posted by: Sam at February 1, 2008 3:22 PM

After re-watching last night's episode, here is my latest take/theory:

Eternal Life -vs- Returning Home.

The Oceanic 6 (the six survivors that return "home") made a deal-with-the-devil. They were let go by Jacob/the island with a promise to act as if they were the only survivors. And, if they ever tell about other survivors/island inhabitants left on the island then those that remain will be killed. In exchange for their freedom, their friends get life, possbiyl even life eternal.

Not sure if everyone is given this choice or if it is just presented to some. Either way, this could explain Dead Charlie (i.e. eternal life) and his comment, "I am dead. But I'm also here." --------- thoughts?

#104. Posted by: GatorGal at February 1, 2008 3:29 PM

How did George(from the rescue? boat) know Jack's name? Jack only referred to himself on the sat phone as 'an Oceanic 815 survivor'.

#105. Posted by: mtncbn at February 1, 2008 3:30 PM

Another thought I just had re-reading all the posts about the coffin. Since the coffin was small i.e. for a child, maybe the coffin is for Baby Arron. i mean Jack doesn't know he's the Uncle and maybe something happens to Claire. Anyone else agree?

#106. Posted by: Sam at February 1, 2008 3:31 PM

@ kevin/#101:

I agree. But, won't we need a term to distinguish between the flash-forwards (like Jack and Hurley playing basketball at the mental institution) and the flash-way-forwards (like bearded, drug-addicted, alcohol-swilling Jack and his friday night Oceanic flights)?

Obviously, the flash forwards will keep coming and, based on how things have already played out, they will not necessarily come in any kind of order. At all. So....flash-way-forwards and simply flash-forwards?

#107. Posted by: GatorGal at February 1, 2008 3:35 PM

Six Random Questions Upon 2nd Viewing:

(1) Hurley looks guilty and ashamed when lying to the cop about not knowing/meeting Anna Lucia. Why?

(2) Jack's tells Danielle, "I don't trust him (Ben) with anyone but me" and then he simply lets Ben go with Locke, of all people. This makes no sense. Can anyone explain?

(3) In the scene in the institution when Hurley is talking to creepy Mr. Abbedon, there is a chalkboard behind him that features a drawing of an island with a boat, palm trees, a shark and a sun! Coincidence or a clue?

(4) The eyeball that peers out at Hurley from inside Jacob's shack is definitely not Locke's nor is it Christian's. Is it the real Jacob's who just takes the physical form of other people? (i.e Christian, Yemi, Smokey, etc.)?

(5) Does the shack only appear if you have the "gift" to see it? Kinda like seeing Jacob himself? Found it intersting that the shack "disappeared" when Hurley willed it so by telling himself "it is not there."

(6) If Charlie is dead, then why can Hurley's fellow patient in the plaid robe see him? ("I'd watch out if I were you. There's a guy over there staring at you.")

I love this mind-bending, lie-awake-at-night-thinking-about-it show!!!

#108. Posted by: GatorGal at February 1, 2008 3:50 PM

I don't recall any mention of the smoke monster in the 1 hour recap Thur. night. Did I miss it, or are the writers trying to wiggle out of ever explaining it?

#109. Posted by: mtncbn at February 1, 2008 3:53 PM

Anagram for creepy guy who visits Hurley in the institution offering an "upgrade" on behalf of Oceanic:

Name: Matthew Abbadon
Anagram: What bad boat men?

#110. Posted by: GatorGal at February 1, 2008 3:54 PM

Very glad to have lost back in my life. Forgot how great it was to spend the day reading about last night's episode, looking for clues on the web etc

Did anyone else think that the captions for the airing of last season's finale on Wednesday could have been written by mac?

#111. Posted by: bob d at February 1, 2008 3:57 PM

I don't think it's Aaron in the coffin. Why would he be neither family nor friend?

If smokey can take the form of any dead person (or horse, I suppose) do you think Smokey is really the collective consciousness of all who have died? Remember season 1 with the group of people whispering in the jungle.

If it IS smokey-as-Christian-shepard in the chair, why would he pick Christian Shepard? Usually he comes in the form of someone the person knows (yemi,etc). Does Hurley even know what Jack's dad looked like?

#112. Posted by: Ethan'sGirl at February 1, 2008 4:08 PM

Hello, Mac. I've been following your recaps since Season 3 and it has always been a wonderful experience.

I wonder if I could translate your stuff into Chinese (instead of reinvent the wills myself who has much less creativity and fun) and put it on my blog and discussion forums in Chinese forums? I would certainly make it clear that the work is from you and put a link to your original post. Please let me know.

#113. Posted by: laodoufu at February 1, 2008 4:09 PM

When Ben was tied up at the tree he asked Rouseau to get his daughter out of there and hide before the new "baddies" landed. Rouseau snapped back that she wasn't his daughter...hmmm?

#114. Posted by: u2d2 at February 1, 2008 4:09 PM

@95 - idmonster:
Perhaps Charlie is also "dead" in a sense that we don't fully understand yet...

I couldn't agree more!! That was one of the things I thought of. We didn't actually see Charlie *die* - it is inferred. I can't believe that his "swim team" experience and the fact that he dove all the way down to the station in one breath means he can't suck in enough air to resurface.

Course, then he'd have to worry about the dangerous Dharmasharks lurking in those waters...

#115. Posted by: debilost at February 1, 2008 4:25 PM

Great ReCap as Always Mac.
Watched the episode again today. There's not a lot in it, but what they do give us is good gristle. I believe the key points in the flashforwards are these:
~ Jack is already starting to drink, albeit a wee bit of vodka.
~ Hurley denies Ana Lucia (why, I guess we'll have to wait and see)
~ There are shady people still out there to find out about the island and if anyone (survivors or others) is still on it.
~ Charlie's alive? Or Jacob, or the smoke monster, or maybe Cindy's scarf is posing as Charlie. Does this mean smokey got off the island? Maybe that's who is Christian Sheppard in Jack's FlashForward. If that's the case maybe when Kate says, "He'll be wondering where I am" she's referring to her horse.... ew!
~ Jack at this point in time is going with the secret game, though Hurley is straying and desiring to go back.

On the island I see the key points as this:
~ Ben is savvy to the 'NEW' others, but still won't reveal why/how.
~ Hurley can see Jacob's Love Shack and therefore has some kind of special meaning in the overall story.
~ Lots of survivors (red shirts) are going to die. It looks like that is the case. I hope so. We don't need any more Paulnikki's.

One thing I noticed both times is when Locke starts his sect and Claire opts to join, some red shirts in the back (not wearing red), both appearing to be male decide to join Locke and hold hands doing so.

I think Locke unloaded the gun at one point in time before nightfall. Lucky for him.

I also agree that Naomi's "Tell my sister I love her" is likely a code for "situation is all F'd up, come heavy"

That's all I got.

Oh and my coffin vote right now is still Michael. Though Locke is a close second.

My favorite MAC-ism:
Naomi punches in the command (4 8 15 16 ... oh, I guess we're not doing that anymore)
&
Jacob's Love Shack

#116. Posted by: callaway76 at February 1, 2008 4:37 PM

@bemh - I automatically skip your postings as they are too hard to read. Please use paragraphs - I'm sure you have good things to say, butwhen it's all together in one HUGE paragraph, it is too difficult to read. :>)

#117. Posted by: Smitty at February 1, 2008 4:41 PM

@112 Ethan'sGirl

Truly is weird that Jack's Dad, or image of Jack's Dad, or Smokey as Jack's dad to be in the cabin.

Here's wild stretch. Perhaps it was meant to warn Hurley to follow Jack later and not Locke??? I.E. he opened the door to invite him in. Then he was intercepted by Locke, who seems to be in Ben's camp who is holding smokey hostage in the cabin surrounded by ashes....ugh....

Told you it was a stretch but anything's possible...

#118. Posted by: IdMonster at February 1, 2008 4:49 PM

@GatorGal #108: Regarding your first question—if I was lying to someone about not knowing someone who had been important to the questioner, I think I'd be guilty/ashamed. For me the question is why deny knowing A-L at all? On your second question—Jack detests both Locke & Ben (& is acting pretty close to the edge w/both of them). Maybe he figures that "gifting" Locke w/Ben is fitting. Jack doesn't know at this point (or does he? I can't remember) that Ben & Locke have had a bonding session or two. And regarding the eyeball peering at Hurley, from the screen captures over in the Forums, it appears that the eye is brown (although the lighting is pretty bad). Locke has blue eyes, so I agree it's not Locke's eye. Not sure what color eyes Christian had/has.

@u2d2 #114: Alex isn't Ben's daughter; she's Rousseau's. Alex was kidnapped by Ben's Others just after her birth 16 years ago & raised to believe Ben is her dad.

@debilost #115: As much as I'd love to have Charlie be alive, I just don't think it's so. He had to hold his breath for at least a minute or more while he was writing his message on his hand, then holding it up to the door for Des to see. The last we see of Charlie is air bubbles coming out of his mouth as he pushes back from the door & him floating backwards crossing himself—not exactly signs that he's trying to swim out the porthole & make for the surface. Unless the Incredible Revivable Patchy is lurking somewhere out there to grab Charlie, get him to the surface, & blow the water out of his lungs, it doesn't seem likely that anyone was able to get to Charlie in time.

Random thought: It appears that Jack was extremely upset over whoever it was in the coffin. Who in the Lostaways/Others did Jack like & Kate not? If it was Michael, what happened to change Jack's mind about him that he (Jack) would be so upset over his (Michael's) death?


#119. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 1, 2008 4:59 PM

I almost forgot what it's like to open this blog and see 100 new comments since this morning. It makes me giddy :)

@PiecesofArzt and GatorGal: Thanks for the answer about Sayid.

Regarding the "Christian Shephard: Dead or Alive" discussions, this is from an Entertainment Weekly interview with Matthew Fox several weeks ago:

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EW: Fans have been analyzing this Jack line from the flash-forward: ''You get my father down here.... And if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me.'' Given that his dad is dead, what was your take on that?
MATTHEW FOX: He was so loaded and emotionally distraught that he talks about his father as if he's still alive. I called Damon on it, and he gave me a couple stories — actual accounts of people whose very close relative [died], and in a moment of being really f---ed up, talked about them as if they did not know they were not alive. In that moment, Jack is losing track of any concept of time. I knew that there was a way to look at it and go, ''Well, that's kind of manipulative.'' But when you [realize], ''Oh, it's in the future,'' you can believe that the man — years after his father has actually passed away — says that about his father in that moment. I totally buy it.
*********

Of course, it's always possible that Damon was deliberately leading Matthew Fox astray, but I think it's more likely that Christian Shephard is dead to our understanding of the word, but the secrets yet to be revealed will redefine the meaning of death, especially on the island.

On another topic, I read something interesting earlier at DarkUFO. (Hopefully, Mac doesn't think I'm cheating on him, since I bring all my comments back here!) The letters H-0 appeared three times in this episode. #1 On a shelf behind Hurley when he's yelling about Abbadon #2 Hurley tells dead Charlie he saw him in the convenience store right next to the "Ho-Ho's" #3 Hurley and Jack's game of HORSE after Jack misses the 2nd shot, Hurley says "That's H-O."

#120. Posted by: Clementine at February 1, 2008 5:13 PM

"The Oceanic Six" - Let's see, there was was Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr. Peter Lawford, Cecil Rose and Clementine.


By the way, I agree with post #61 about his favorite line. That was so cool!


@ hurling - add one more "f" and make it "FFFFFFG - friggin flash-forward/future-flash/flashgram

#121. Posted by: ButchM at February 1, 2008 5:19 PM

How did George (from the rescue? boat) know Jack's name? Jack only referred to himself on the sat phone as 'an Oceanic 815 survivor'.
→ 105. Posted by: mtncbn at February 1, 2008 03:30 PM

My wife asked the same question. So I re-watch the beginning of the EP and Jack did say he was “One of the survivor’s of Oceanic 815”. But I still knew I had heard him say his name. So I pulled out Season 3 DVD, put in the Looking Glass and he does say his name. Jack hears someone say hello. He then said “who is this” and they say “who is this”, and then Jack said “This is Jack Sheppard, I’m one of the survivor’s of Oceanic 815”.

#122. Posted by: micHael at February 1, 2008 5:21 PM

I'v noticed tahat in the Lost episode when Hurley's in the interrigation room, and he's asked about knowing Anna lucia he looks nervous and he looks like he's hiding something? What the heck could it be?

#123. Posted by: Yolanda at February 1, 2008 5:31 PM

I think Hurley looking nervous is just him not wanting to talk about it and explain...oh yea, she was alive, but someone killed her. Sorry about that.

#124. Posted by: kevin at February 1, 2008 5:40 PM

@63 ANTP? said:

>http://www*gitsiegirl*com/the-lost-experience-explained/

>This website talks about the online game, "The Lost Experience".


I hope you realize the website you cite is a straight ripoff of mac's blog (unless, of course, mac's given his permission for the reposting).

The original is right around the corner at:

http://www*filmfodder*com/tv/lost/archives/003345*shtml

and there's a link to it in the upper right-hand area of this and every filmfodder lost blog.

o----------------------------------

That having been said, there's a problems with the theory. The mental health facility in Iceland is/was a Hanso/Dharma facility (and apparentl;y some un-ethicla research went on there).

So unless the Others have, in addition to killing off all the Dharma personnel on Lostylvania Island, also somehow appropriated all of Hanso's assets in the wider world (don't know how they'd do that) then there's no connection between the Icelandic mental institution and the two Portuguese-speaking men in the frigid quonset hut.

Good luck, and Namaste.

#125. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 1, 2008 7:14 PM

@100 lostinAZ said:

>I hope this hasnt been posted already, but 5 of the 6 have been revealed.

>Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin

>Season 3 finale showed Sun & Jin on the Oceanic plane behind drunk, bearded Jack.

Sorry, freeze framed in high-def DVR, magnified four times, examined carefuilly. It's just a young asian couple. NOT Sun and Jin. Of course it's still possible they're two fo the six, but not from this evidence.

#126. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 1, 2008 7:23 PM

Great review Mac. The short form works just as well for me...good writing is good writing!

My favorite line from the episode (and maybe even the series!)- Rose talking to Claire about Charlie being the real hero- "...so you better make sure you treat him REAL GOOD when we get back!"

I couldn't really tell from the future Hurley parts- does he still have his lottery millions or not?

Jack & Hurley's basketball conversation made it clear that the '6' had an agreement of sorts to not reveal anything about the island. So it's not surprising to me that Hurley lied to the cop and said he never met AL. If he said he had known her, he would've been pumped for more info which would've opened too many cans of worms.

I don't think the coffin is small at all. I think it's normal size and the camera angle (the shot of Jack from above) caused it to appear smaller to some.

I'm still pretty shocked that Jack pulled the trigger with the full intention of wasting Locke.

And finally, I've given up on the speculation about who or what Jacob is...that's one part of the story that I'm just along for the ride on and will enjoy the reveal when/if it finally happens.

(Taking a positive stance now)- Yaaaah! We get to do this 7 more times in a row!

#127. Posted by: JoePike at February 1, 2008 7:43 PM

i laughed my ass off at he Hurley-does-a-cannonball part.

ok, heres my bet for who will make it off the island.

obviously, if locke survives hes gonna stay on the island.

berard and rose will stay too (roses cancer)

gin's gonna bite it soon.

sayid will either get shot or make it off the island. he could go both ways.

sawyer will get off. i have a feeling.

sun is probably gonna die.

claire and aaron will make it off. but i dont think that technically aaron would count tword the oceanic 6.

desmond will survive, but he doesent count as the oceanic 6.

#128. Posted by: Kaseygirl106 at February 1, 2008 7:45 PM

Some Ransom Thoughts:


Nice to see that Hurley got the old Camaro fixed up. Wonder if Dad Cheech helped?

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Annoying as they were, the pop-up comments in the Wednesday repeat of the S-3 finale seemed to have closed at least one debate - Jack said *"Neither"* when the Hoffs-Drawler funeral director asked him "Firend or family?"

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From S-3-22 and S-4-1, there definitly seems to be some compulsion on folks that got off the island not to spill the beans about what went on there.

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Thought sure we were about to get a visit from smokey when the rain burst out suddenly as Jack and Kate were reminiscing about old times at the cockpit section. Jack Said "Listen, what's that?" and my spine tingled expecting "aaaaahoooooooooo!". The helicopter was an anticlimax.

o-----------

Faith in "no suopernatural explanations" teetering, teetering....

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Ah, it's good to be back...


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If, as rumored, the end of the writers strike is near, can we please have our remaining eight eps SOMETIME this year?

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@18 richardalpert said

>No one else recognizes Matthew Abbadon as Lt. Daniels from the Wire?

Me, Me, Me, Me! But isn't it Capt Daniels now? "The Wire" is in its final HBO season and I recommend it to everybody.

>It seems pretty obvious that helicopter dude from Saving Private Ryan is obviously George, things are getting very interesting.

Confusing sentence. I was wracking my brain tring to remember a helicopter in "Saving Private Ryan". Clonk. Then things drop into place.

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Hope Dominic Monoghan enjoys many episodes as a ghost. If that's what he is.

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Two more "House" episodes (Sun and Tue) nefore the well runs dry. Drop by the blog, yall:

www*tvfodder*com/house

#129. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 1, 2008 7:49 PM

BEST QUOTE EVER:

"This is for talking Walt off the boat..
KABLAM!" - Sawyer

How cool is it that Zeke and Sawyer are "done yet"

#130. Posted by: JAKE3841 at February 1, 2008 8:17 PM


4-1 (72) The Beginning of the End

Have rescuers come?
Or is there another force
Appearing here, now?

#131. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 1, 2008 8:32 PM

@Clementine/120 - Just means we're all Lost Ho's. LOL

#132. Posted by: hurling at February 1, 2008 9:07 PM

The eyeball at the door is....Patchy's missing one.

#133. Posted by: justlost at February 1, 2008 9:47 PM

So if Christian Shepherd is in the chair and the "eye" is someone else, does that mean that Smokey stops by Jacob's containment hut/love shack for social visits? Maybe they play chess, like Professor X & Magneto? ;)

Locke doesn't have to be the eye in the window. Locke could still be in the cabin without being visible.

Maybe Smokey is rooting for Jack and Jacob is recruiting Locke? How ironic is that?

Things I still want to know:

* How limited is Ben's true knowledge about Jacob?

* Why did Ben manipulate Locke into blowing up the HATCH?

* Did Jacob or Smokey somehow manipulate Desmond into leaving the hatch for 109 minutes so the plane would come down?

* Are the others camped inside or outside of the sonic death fence?

* Where IS all the electricity coming from?

* Did Ben ever use the Pearl cameras to spy on Desmond in the hatch?

* How could the flame have been secure from Smokey for all those years? It was outside the sonic death fence! (Unless Mikhal just hid in the basement a lot, or used his regeneration ability every time smokey killed him.)

And the big question I just thought of:

IS SMOKEY JACOB'S MISTER HYDE PERSONNA?

That would explain a lot... except for the floating eyeball in the shack.

Hmm....

#134. Posted by: Bill at February 1, 2008 10:08 PM

First time poster...long time reader. This may seem a bit obvious but I will put it out there cause I haven't seen anyone post it yet. The great thing about the coffin is that while you speculate who it is, you realize that all the main characters are alone if they return from the island. Jack, Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Michael, Ben etc have no family to return home to. Don't know what to make of it but I just thought it was interesting.

#135. Posted by: DjDaveyDave at February 1, 2008 11:59 PM

I thought of something while reading these posts (which are great, by the way!)...

Just because there's a group called "the Oceanic Six" doesn't mean that ONLY six people got off the island, does it?

This seems like a trick the LOST writers would throw our way - having us believe that only six make it off the island, when in actuality only Six are linked to it.

Just a thought...

#136. Posted by: Carlos at February 2, 2008 12:32 AM

If Kate is not acknowledged as one of the Oceanic 6 (since she is a fugitive), then does that mean that one other person besides her was rescued as well? Jack said he is "sick of lying," so obviously if everyone else in the real world thinks everyone from flight 815 is dead, then Jack and Kate are lying and living with guilt at the fact that everyone else is still on the island alive and well, waiting to be rescued

#137. Posted by: Buckie at February 2, 2008 12:37 AM

Regarding the patient in the robe...isn't that the same man that Hurley thought was real when he was in that hospital before the flight? He turned out to be a figment of his imagination. The doctor took a picture of him and Hurley and showed it to Hurley. Nobody there...only Hurley.

#138. Posted by: arvalynne at February 2, 2008 1:14 AM

@DjDaveyDave(135)...I was thinking the same thing regarding the person in the coffin and applying the logic in the clue the funeral director gave us about the person not having any family. I do think that Hurley has family though; at least I believe his dad is still alive. And Kate's mom is still, presumably, around. So that does leave Sawyer (but was he born in NY???), Michael (if something happened to Walt), Walt (if something happened to Michael), Locke, and Ben (though I don't think either of them would ever WILLINGLY leave the island...). But who's to say that the body in the coffin is that of a character we already know. Obviously some time in the story line transpires from point A (survivors still on the island) to point B (Jack is in funeral home), so there is always the possiblility that the person in the coffin is someone the viewer has yet to meet. Makes for good speculation though!

#139. Posted by: Vikki at February 2, 2008 9:10 AM

I must be lost because it really seems impossible that nobody has posted this already. In 4-1 when charlie is showing desmond his hand there is clearly a person standing behind desmond. I watched this scene in both 4-1 and the last ep of s3--it's not there in the s3 version. Has this been covered?

#140. Posted by: Dave2d2 at February 2, 2008 9:17 AM

@79- Jiggy...Pathetic attempt at insight...LOL!

Good to be back! I gave the episode a solid B...I was waiting and waiting for the "WOW" factor, as in Season Openers Past. (Desmond in the hatch, Juliette's Book Club) It just seamed like a really good, regular season episode. Either way, I missed the Losties, the Tailies, the Others, Oceanic 6, and most of all my fellow Fodder-ers!

Question (or comment really)...Have we seem the last of the numbers? I hope not- it was my favorite game to play during my second viewing of each episode! Thoughts?

#141. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at February 2, 2008 9:49 AM

The entire point of Lost is at the end of Season 4, everyone decides to return to the Island.

#142. Posted by: rose at February 2, 2008 10:43 AM

@ Red Neck Man #58

I think Naomi's sister is Cindy's scarf!!
LMAO!! No, your sense of humor has been sorely missed. I haven't been around for a while, and this site has been BLOCKED from my work now..:(

@ANTP ? - Thanks for remembering...sniff, sniff

@hurling - glad to be back!!! I missed ya'll!

@mac - Jack sporting his Other beard...lol, great one!

I guess at this point I don't have much to say. This episode was great, but it didn't contain much that was shocking. I'm excited to see the twists that are yeat to come. I am hoping to see some of Libby, and some of the other characters.

One of my favorite lines/moments was when Ben said in a pouty voice, something like, "Well I would have told you that she took the phone but you'd just beat me up again." That Ben is the master freak.

New acronym: BBL - Bring Back Laffo

#143. Posted by: meg at February 2, 2008 10:50 AM

Sorry for double-posting, but you'll probably get more now that I am rewatching it...

I'm sure the triviality (is that a word??)of this comment will piss someone off, but it bothers me that at Hurley's hospital they walk around in housecoats. When you are depressed, or mentally ill, isn't it better to shower and dress?? Are these hospitals really like that?

#144. Posted by: meg...MIF at February 2, 2008 11:01 AM

Wow, all these months of boredom and now I can get my fix again. I'm glad they started with a Hurley-centered story, but how about narrating the clip show with Ben's voice? Talk about starting the season with a sense of doom...

I think we're still due some flashbacks at some point this season. My biggest question is how Des joined the military, ended up in jail, why Penny doesn't give up on him, etc.

It's been great to see so many familiar names in the posts. I'm also blocked from work - why must our tech people be so difficult?

#145. Posted by: jaybee at February 2, 2008 12:10 PM

re: Hurleys' Ana-Lucia denial.
Would YOU tell her former-partner, who you are the prisoner of, that yea... I knew the brutal, ego-centric, paranoid bully. (?)
The real question is - will this "connection" come back to us as relevant in the remaining 47 episodes? or was the Ana thing just a dead-end (or tease) from the writers/producers?

#146. Posted by: DocH at February 2, 2008 1:41 PM

I'm thinking that only six people could fit in the chopper to be taken off the island and then they couldn't re-establish contact with the island again. However Jack would probably have other people go first since that's his style. I also feel there is more of a reason for them to go back then just to save people that were left behind - possibly to save this magical island from bad guys. I'm proud of the writers of this show they got a little off track but really wrapped up last season nicely and while it took forever to get to this season we're off to a promising start! By they way I think it is Michael in the casket - I know this was mentioned before but the funeral is clearly held in a black neighborhood and the viewing is at a black establishment/church

#147. Posted by: JacobsField at February 2, 2008 1:42 PM

Can anyone tell me what Jack muttered when he saw the Camero and the high speed chase? I tried several times and I can't get closed caption to work on hi-def.

Mac - thank you for all the work you do and a salute to all the follow up posters!

#148. Posted by: Seahawk3 at February 2, 2008 2:09 PM

Glad the show and this blog are back! I missed both terribly. Glad yer back, Mac, if self-declared as truncated. Still an excellent recap!

Dead Charlie looks like he lost about 20 pounds. His hobbit babyface is looking gaunt. Though his cheeks are pretty rosy for a dead guy. Is he on the new miracle death diet?

We already know if you get pregnant on the island you die. Now we know if you leave the island, your life will suck. (Though granted, most of these folks didn't have great track records to begin with, and they weren't exactly enjoying life on an island paradise after the crash either.)

After thinking the writers were just getting bad at making Jack appear a proper hero, it is now painfully obvious that they fully intend that Jack come off as tragically incompetent. I've heard of flawed heroes, but this is ridiculous. Will he redeem himself in the end?

I can't believe Jack actually tried to kill Locke! has Jack ever killed anybody on this show? So much for Do No Harm, doc. Will they ignore that he crossed this line later in the show? I guess it comes down to his desire to get off the island no matter what vs Locke's desire to stay there no matter what, or do whatever the island wants (which Jack sees as insane and dangerous behavior for obvious reasons)

So who is right... Jack or Locke? It looks like the "rescuers" are up to no good, yet Hurley apologizes for going with Locke, and at least one of each group get off the island. What is going on??? Ahhhh!!!

Why did the bird say "Hur-leeeee" a few season finales ago? He's definitely got some special connection to the island that rivals Locke's. Maybe just like Star Wars was really about Darth Vader as the central character when you saw the big picture, Lost is actually about Hurley. We just haven't seen it yet. Hmmmm.

#149. Posted by: catbarf at February 2, 2008 2:44 PM

Since she isn't serving jail time for murder, I don't think Kate is one of the famous "oceanic six," even though she obviously makes it off the island.

#150. Posted by: Pezpunk at February 2, 2008 3:45 PM

Could Kate get off for murder if she had been declared dead? (As a technicality or double jeopardy?)

@Seahawk3: I believe Jack says something to the effect of 'Oh, no' since he recognizes Hurley's Camaro.

#151. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 2, 2008 6:34 PM

finally lost is back, im loving the future flashes and things seem to be taking a darker tone in lost, excellent

#152. Posted by: adam at February 2, 2008 6:49 PM

#111 I was thinking the same thing, especially the reference to "Patchey." Not so fast on the numbers, Mac. Six numbers = Oceanic 6?

#153. Posted by: lostsox at February 2, 2008 7:48 PM

@60/Vikki Hurley told someone earlier, I think it was Charlie, and they thought he was just joking around, didn;t take him seriously.

@66/mapache Thanks for the link! Stupid DC station preempted the Oceanic commercial for "what's on tomorrow's Oprah!" I was about to shoot somebody!

@99/Trinity You and I are on the same page about Michael and the coffin. Honestly, I didn;t notice the coffin being small any of the four times I watched the episode, but maybe I am just not familiar enough with coffins.

Thanks for bringing this back Mac!

#154. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 2, 2008 8:53 PM

i'm just going to input a few sentences that I believe are very true. first of all, the next epsiode will feature a flashback of the characters on the freighter. second, the guy in the casket... can't be one of the oceanics. he's not one of the losties (they were celebrities). and it can't be ben - he wouldn't leave the island. the guy in the chair in jacob's cabin IS an apparition of christian shepard. the oceanics are jack kate hurley sayid sun and jin. sawyer will not leave the island - he met his life goal there. everyone becomes what they hate the most in the future flashes : jack - alcoholic, kate - stuck in a serious relationship (And wearing excessive makeup) hurley - a nutter.

#155. Posted by: abiogenesis at February 2, 2008 9:33 PM

Where does anyone get that Jin/Sun get off the island? That wasn't them sitting behind Jack on his weekly Sunday flight back to LA from Tokyo, Singapore, etc.... If anything, they have to stay on the island because that is the only place that she rear a child.

#156. Posted by: MorBid0 at February 2, 2008 9:46 PM

I think it is Michael in the coffin. I think that Jack is upset because Michael is the only person that knows how to get back to the island...he sailed from the island back home, so he might be Jack's only chance of finding his way back to the island. Jack wants to go back to the island, but Kate doesn't, so she wouldn't care. Also, the neighborhood was a predominantly African American neighborhood when Jack was driving and walking around....just my thoughts.

#157. Posted by: lost junky at February 2, 2008 10:28 PM

@100/lostinAZ Really? I thought it was an Asian couple that was not Jin and Sun, I'll have to watch that bit again.

@GatorGal/108 I think Jack let Ben go with Locke because he was so gutted that so many of the Losties would pick Locke over him. He seemed ot take it really personally.

@116/callaway76 LMAO!!! I sure hope it's not her horse!

@126/Cecil Rose THanks for saving me the "chore", but I might just have to re-watch anyhow! :P


Okay, that's 150 comments gotten through! I need to stop being late to the party!

I really enjoyed the episode, I thought the dialogue was great (not goign to repeat all the great lines already quoted by others), and I like how they are showing the flash forwards apparently out of chronological order. Seeing AL's partner makes me think we'll see other people from the flashbacks in different people's flash forwards...I'd liek to see Nadia pop up next.

As for Kate, is it possible she could have been disguised during the rescue and posed as a different passenger when they reached dry land, and then gone into hiding? Or am I reaching there?

#158. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 2, 2008 10:35 PM

I am sure that anything we are sure we saw was put there on purpose. Therefore, if it is Christian Sheperd, and is that obvious, they want us to know. I think Alpert has more to do with the island than we have given him credit for. Maybe he is speaking with Jabob.

I also highly doubt we will see a flash-back or forward of the crew on the boat, if they are really even on a boat. We have seen one character say a single line. Maybe this season, but not yet.

Namaste

#159. Posted by: Raider at February 2, 2008 10:49 PM

@meg/144 - my wife had the same thing to say about the bathrobes, and I explained it as such (and I truly don't mean to sound condesending):

Lost is a television show, and due to time constraints, certain "shortcuts" need to be made to limit the amount of expostion. By creating bathrobes = mental hospital, the writers don't need to waste time explaining where the scene is taking place. If Jack walks into a gym and starts talking to Hurley, and Hurley is wearing street clothes, we (the viewers) need to have the setting explained to us.

I think Lost is a fantastic show, and I enjoy reading this review/forum every week. However, I think some posters tend to forget the "temporary suspension of disbelief" that is needed to truly enjoy the show. Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake, and no one is perfect.

keep surviving.

#160. Posted by: markthefish at February 3, 2008 2:19 AM

i think jin and sun get off the island because... the list gets pretty short. juliet's use gets waned so i dont think she'll survive for much longer. sawyer won't go off because his life's purpose was achieved on the island, with locke. bernard and rose... again, they're a pair of nice fifth wheels that have been going on for too long. desmond was NOT on oceanic. sayid will go off.. he was determined to do so, and we all know he achieves a lot with his determination. who else is there? claire & aaron or jin & sun. but i don't think claire and aaron will go off. here's why. in "greatest hits", charlie remembers his past, right? and there's that one bit when he's singing wonderwall on his guitar and then it starts raining. there was NO desmond (guess you all remember desmond met him on the street in his flash after the hatch detonation at that precise moment before it rained). which means that desmond's temporal excursion didn't quite happen in real time, it didn't affect the course of events since charlie would remember him in his flashback. anyone getting that? ... anyway he said that claire and aaron would go up the helicopter - does not mean they'd actually get to the boat.

#161. Posted by: abiogenesis at February 3, 2008 5:32 AM

I think when Matthew Abbadon was leaving the room,he seemed like smoky.
Anuone else noticed anything?

#162. Posted by: Dark Lord at February 3, 2008 8:01 AM

WOW great to see everyone back to battlestation !

say can anyone tell me who the narator was in the recap-episode it sure sounded as a mutant mix of ben(jamin linus) and morgan freeman ????

#163. Posted by: occomor at February 3, 2008 9:06 AM

140. Posted by: Dave2d2

That was a scene that cut back to Des with the group when Hurley was telling Claire about Charlie

#164. Posted by: btly at February 3, 2008 9:09 AM

156. Posted by: MorBid0

If anything, they have to stay on the island because that is the only place that she rear a child.

I believe you have that backwards.. Woman who get pregnant on the island die.

So we have to assume that Jin and Sun would do whatever it takes to get off the island

#165. Posted by: btly at February 3, 2008 9:30 AM

On the discussion as to whether or not the casket contained a member of the Oceanic 6 or not...

I agree that 3 years after the crash they would not longer really be celebrities, but I am sure that the obituary would have mentioned that the deceased had survived a plane crash of that magnitude. Therefore, it was someone either not on the plane, or who got off the island separately from the Oceanic 6 and took an assumed name.

I always figured that if Michael did make it back to land, he would have taken an assumed name so as to not explain what happened to the other passengers, or admit what he had done to escape.

#166. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 3, 2008 11:14 AM

Hello fellow Lost lovers! It's great to be back reading all of you smart people's comments. Have to respond to Seahawk3's question: "Can anyone tell me what Jack muttered when he saw the Camero and the high speed chase?"
He says, "dammit."

I thought it was weird too. It really made us think differently about Jack compared to how we felt about him at the end of season 3.

And wow! Has anyone else read the interesting/wacky theory on the Forums that think the island is actually at one of the poles, specifically the north pole? And that the "ho, ho, ho's" were clues? Along with a whole bunch of other clues like snowglobes, arctic listening stations, polar bears and other things too numerous to list here?

Just thought I'd toss that into the mix seeings how we have a long week ahead.

GRMAA (albeit un peu plus court ;)

#167. Posted by: En Provence at February 3, 2008 1:20 PM

My comments/questions upon second viewing:

•In the opener, Hurley knocked over a display stand and possibly didn’t pay his bill at the convenience store. How did this result in a high speed chase with 10 police cars? I guess it made for good TV. I didn’t pick up on the Hurley/Camaro connection, but I did know it was him when the dimpled hands came out of the window. By the way, according to Lostpedia, the guy standing off to the side filming was Randy Nations, Hurley and Locke’s old boss. And he still had the lens cap on the camera. Hee!

•When the detective is questioning Hurley about Ana-Lucia, he says “Maybe you met her on the plane? Before it took off?” So, he doesn’t consider that Hurley could have known her on the island? Guess the Oceanic Six cover story included everyone but them dying in the crash (not afterward).

•I still think that Abaddon is some version of Smokey, our island djinn. The bottom of the door turned black as it was swinging closed behind him.

•The patient who told Hurley that Charlie was watching him could see Charlie, too. So, either island “dead” people can make themselves visible, or being in proximity to Hurley’s powers can make them visible to other people, or Hurley imagined both the patient and Charlie. But then what was Dave?

•On the beach, Juliet is digging graves while Sawyer stands around in the background drinking Dharma beer. Classic.

•The eyeball dude in Jacob’s Love Shack appears to have some shaggy hair, so I vote “not Locke” for now.

•Why would Jack, the doctor with the savior complex, not confirm that Naomi was completely dead before leaving her to lie around with a knife in her back? How did the gasping, gurgling Naomi manage to hike all over the island to leave a dummy-trail? Was she re-invigorated by the island’s healing powers, like Locke when he climbed out of the mass grave after his visit from Walt? In the shot of her on the ground with Ben tied to the tree in the background, her eyeball was open, staring and fixed. Was she faking?

•I’m not buying this whole re-triangulation of the sat phone coordinate thingy. The whole conversation between “George” and Naomi seemed staged. But why?

•Why did Desmond, of all people, stay with Jack when he was so determined to convey Charlie’s message and stop contact with the freighter?

•Who’s more of a danger to our Losties at this point, the “not Penny’s boat” people or their own fearless leaders? If I had to choose between following Jack or Locke, I think I’d form my own splinter group with Sayid. And, maybe, Des. Those Desmonditions could come in pretty handy.

#168. Posted by: Clementine at February 3, 2008 1:58 PM

i wonder if locke crapped the bullet he had in his stomach out.. he seems to be doing just fine. unless jack's daddy patched him up :)

#169. Posted by: abiogenesis at February 3, 2008 2:23 PM

@ markthefish - Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense. I would never even think of something like that, and I guess that's why I'm not a writer/director...:)

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the eyeball. To me, it's clearly Charlie's eye. When I watched it again, I saw it again. Maybe I am wrong; it happened once before.

One of my favorite ideas I've read lately is that everyone becomes what they feared as they leave the island....Perhaps Kate has assumed someone else's identity??


#170. Posted by: meg at February 3, 2008 3:22 PM

Perhaps it is Charlie's eye and Christian sitting. If so, it would seem that this shack is some sort of meeting place for the dead. Also, both people in the shack would have a strong connection to Claire.

#171. Posted by: Raider at February 3, 2008 3:53 PM

With regard to the Oceanic 6, I thought it sounded familiar. Sounds like the Jenna 6 (was it 6??) in the news a few months ago. I'm sure it's nothing, just odd that the phrase was coined. My guess is that the entire season will be spent guessing who is the 6th one, and we'll find out close to the end - even in the finali - and that character will be pivitol. (argh - I can't survive without spell check, so bear with me)

#172. Posted by: meg at February 3, 2008 5:20 PM

I know we've brought this up, but I just read that Abbadon is seen, by some scholars, as the anti-christ or even Satan himself. This is obviously not a coincidence, especially with all of the religious symbology in this series. I expect to see this guy a lot more.

#173. Posted by: Raider at February 3, 2008 5:43 PM

Weren't there over 40 Oceanic survivors and most of those are characters we haven't been introduced to. So the unknown other members of the Oceanic Six could be ones we don't (yet) know the names of.

There was some discussion about the bullets in Locke's gun. It's a revolver so spent shells are not ejected. When Locke opened the cylinders and saw the back ends of 6 shells, you can't tell how many are actual unused bullets and how many have already been shot. So when he shot it at the phone, it could have been the last unused bullet.

What ever happened to the children the others abducted (and Cindy also)? Are they with the camp of Others that Ben left and told to keep on going to "the Temple"?

And did anyone figure out if there was another group of others that wore ragged clothes, were barefoot, and could silently get around - the group Eko and Jin saw with one dragging a teddy bear on a rope?

#174. Posted by: ardie at February 3, 2008 10:57 PM

@Clementine #168: You bring up some good points. As far as why a high-speed chase, perhaps Hurley took off as far as his Camaro would go & that's what got all the police involved. And did Randy really not have the lens cap off? Too funny!

I agree that Naomi, who appeared on the point of death when Locke's knife hit her in the back, wouldn't have had the energy to lay a false trail, climb a tree, & leap down on Kate. And how did she manage to get up & get away w/o one of the Lostaways seeing her? What exactly was the point of that little subplot?

Good point about Desmond not going w/Locke...although I would agree that if I were Des, I'd grab Sayid & form my own group. I did find it interesting that Rose absolutely refused to go w/Locke, seeing as how they both knew that they had been healed by the island. Lord knows Locke has done plenty of stupid things since he & Rose "bonded" over that fact, but I wonder what it was that turned Rose so against Locke?

W/Ben, Danielle, & Alex all going w/Locke, that's the start of a nice little dysfunctional family there.
; >

#175. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 3, 2008 10:58 PM

Greetings Friends,

From “Meg-is-first” to “RNM is Last”, it’s good to see all the old names and batches of new names in our MacPack. And certainly, though the opening episode was not as dramatic as I thought it might be, it’s good to have THE SHOW back on the air!

As I mentioned at the first of the week over on the LOST NEWS somewhere, I realized that Thursday night I would be in the air on the way to this weekend’s rehearsals and concert, thereby missing the opening night of season 4. As it happened, I flew out on Wednesday, thereby missing Thursday night because of rehearsals but also the “enhanced rerun” of last season’s finale. I WAS distraught.

So, the first thing Sunday afternoon on arriving home was . . . well, actually, kissing and hugging the wife, playing with the dogs, reading the 400 emails on my university entourage, running to a matinee performance of the opera SUSANNAH, after concert grocery shopping with the Misses, putting together a new computer table, finally unpacking the dirty clothes from the trip, and taking care a a couple of “honey-doos”.

Well, like the guy in the preview says . . . “ {Catching up on the first episode of season four today?} . . Can’t really say it’s our primary objective, Jack . . .”

But now, AT LAST, I’ve watched IT. AND the preview show. AND read all the comments here. And I’ve spent a few hours trolling the internet, going back a few days to watch previews and the “missing pieces” that I’d . . well, missed.

MAC’s opening shots are as funny as ever . . and as right on. Thanks for bringing us back together again, buddy . . . I feel like standing in a circle and singing Ku-Bah-Yaa.

Or not.

And everyone’s comments were very good. To me, this apparently was one of those shows written, more than anything else, to set the stage for all that is about to happen. I wasn’t overwhelmed by the episode, but I’m sure that its impact will become ever so clear as the season progresses.

Everybody seemed to agree on many of the “trickery” aspects of the episode. Yes, it obviously was taking place (future-flash-wise) BEFORE the season three finale. And no, we really don’t know who the “6” are, entirely - but of course, a few of the possibilities can’t be - like Dez or Juliet - they weren’t ON the plane, so they’re not the “Oceanic 6”. HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean they didn’t escape, does it? And like MAC implied, we’ve probably seen the last of the “numbers” . . that was just a plot-line to get us on the island. Hurley IS our hero. I don’t care if he sees dead people or not, it’s clear that he is a very important and pivotal person in this serial.

[ INTERJECTION: I think I’m seeing the possibility of a “Freaking-Future-Flashing-Flipperies-Festival” at the end of this season. . . . hmmmmmmm . . .]

*****
I know that this is a late entry and many people will be at work on Monday before they read it, but I was really intrigued by the last MOBISODE.

Christian Shepherd stands in the jungle in SUIT and WHITE TENNIES. Vincent sniffs him out. (I’ll forgo the irrational junior high ramblings on the phrase “sniff him out” at this point). Christian Shepherd tells Vincent to find his son. In the bamboo forest. He has “WORK TO DO.”

Talk about “God-Like” inference here! whew! Heavy, Dude.

Cut to Hurley peeking into Jacob’s cabin. Freeze Frame while the camera pans up the guy in the chair wearing suit and white tennies. hmmmmmmm.

*****
WHICH in some sort of transference thinking brings up the SHAPE-SHIFTING THEORY concerning “Smokie” . . . Is this some entity that takes on “familiar” forms depending on the character to whom it is relating?

*****
THE EYE IN THE WINDOW. I missed the opening eye. Instead, a pile of fruit!?! But, not to disappoint us, the EYE did show up later. The winning conjecture seems to be that it was John Locke visiting ol’J . . . but on a freeze frame, it really doesn’t look like John’s eye. Maybe we have a new character? Afterall, remember the opening shot of “Patchy” on the farm. New character introduced “out of the blue”!

After all, it is a writer’s trick not unknown to us at this point.

Afterall, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me over and over and over and over . . I must be watching LOST!

*****
I’m excited about next weeks show because of the two previews on the ABC web site.
First the parachuting blue-eyed chick who falls into the lap of John’s Team. Suspicions begin to rise immediately in the, let’s call them the RED TEAM, even in this preview.

And then of course, the preview of the parachutist of the “not our primary objective” fame falling in the midst of Jack’s . . well, BLUE Team. Suspicions begin to rise immediately here as well.

I’m sensing a “unilateral suspicion treaty” coming on.

Wow. The possibility of Red and Blues working together? That would be a stunning development!

*****
No. Let’s not talk politics. Why ruin great friendships!

******
Got a little tired of the Eli Stone promos. Certainly hope it has better luck than “Groundhog Day with Blood” or whatever that show was called. What was it? Three episodes and dead.

*******

That’s all I got.

Except: #149. Catbarf!!!??!! Are you kidding!?! CATBARF!?!?! Does your mother know you call yourself that!?! :-)

Maybe I should begin gathering nominations for the “Freaking-Future-Flashing-Flipperies-Festival” now and save the rush at the end of the season . . . .


DAVIDRH

#176. Posted by: davidrh at February 3, 2008 11:00 PM

If Abbadon does show up again, please let him bring Omar (and his sawed-off) with him.

extra credit to anybody who feels that

#177. Posted by: markthefish at February 3, 2008 11:02 PM

@162 Darklord

I went back and watched Matthew Abbadon leave the room. I have Tivo but not HD and slowed it down and it was Smokie. It's not even close to a shadow. Wouldn't this mean Charlie and Matthew are both Smokie? If that's true then we really don't have a clue who's real and who isn't. The thing with the tie could it be that smokie has to use something he's already seen and he's only seen one tie?
Mac! thanks again your reviews just make my week !!

@RNM I agree That Cindy's scarf is her sister but she's way overweight. Maybe she and Hugo will get together.

#178. Posted by: SamFin at February 4, 2008 9:14 AM

Maybe Smokey/Jacob took the body of Jacks dad to use as a "host" for himself - therefore appearing all over the island in other episodes.

And now - maybe he has taken the fresh form of Charlie now that Jacks dad's corpse has become a little smelly?

#179. Posted by: Tao at February 4, 2008 9:27 AM

@179 TWO
I think we are on to something here. They have said that when someone dies on the island they are really dead. So Patchy shoud have been dead a couple of times and came back.

That would me mean that he was really Smokey. He let Locke beat him up to increase John's mojo.

But that would mean Locke came back to life so he is Smokie.

That would mean that Smokey beat himself up to increase his own mojo. You have to admit the writers are just having the time of their lives here !

#180. Posted by: SamFin at February 4, 2008 9:41 AM

I have not heard anybody mention this.
After Hurley got scared at the cabin with the eye in the window he ran then turned around to see the cabin again. When the door opens, freeze the frame and you can see a reflection of somebody in the upper glass of the door. Charlie??

#181. Posted by: btly at February 4, 2008 9:47 AM

I have not heard anybody mention this.
After Hurley got scared at the cabin with the eye in the window he ran then turned around to see the cabin again. When the door opens, freeze the frame and you can see a reflection of somebody in the upper glass of the door. Charlie??

#182. Posted by: btly at February 4, 2008 9:49 AM

Ok, I haven't really gotten through all of the posts yet, but I got this thought on the "Oceanic Six" that I just had to post.

First, on a semi-unrelated subject - For a while, I'd thought this (the whole show) was all a dream or mental break of Hurley's. Now, I'm not necessarily holding fast to that position any more since the whole car chase scene where he was screaming about being part of the Oceanic Six would seem to preclude the possibility. But who knows?

Ok, so about the Oceanic Six: There are well-known 6 numbers that Hurley used to win the lottery, that were used to punch into the computer to "save the world", etc. What if those six numbers are in some way an indicator of who the six people are? Say, if someone could produce a manifest of the passengers, would the Oceanic Six coincide with the positions on the list of passengers?

Just my point-o-two dolares.

#183. Posted by: Stan Levine at February 4, 2008 10:01 AM

No one is talking about Sawyer's transformation. Since the end of las season he is calling people by their names, and in this episode he was very sympathetic toward's Hurley, do you want to talk about it, let me know if you need me...

#184. Posted by: Dude Man at February 4, 2008 10:08 AM

So excited Lost is back! Just ashame it is only for 8 episodes.

Been thinking about that scene in series 3 when the doc says about calling Jack's dad down. I don't think it means jack's dad is alive. I think it was said almost sarcastically as a warning to Jack. As in.... let's get your dad down here, oh, we can't since he is dead, and if you aren't careful you will end up that way if you keep up this behaviour etc.

#185. Posted by: Cat at February 4, 2008 10:13 AM

Actually, it was Jack who ranted to the doc about getting his dad down here to see who's drunker. I read that Matthew Fox asked Cuse/Lindelof about this and he was informed it was just another way to show how mentally off balance Jack had become, that people in his state of mind sometimes blur reality. (Paraphrasing of course.) For an instant, Jack confused his present time with one from the past when Dr. Daddy was still alive.

#186. Posted by: JoePike at February 4, 2008 10:32 AM

When I first heard this line from Jack, I thought it was odd. But now, when his dad is rocking in Jacob's cabin it is ringing in my ears. Flashforward when loaded Jack has just busted into the hospital's drug cabinet. He runs into the chief of staff in the hall. Who by the way moonlights as the head of security at the Montecito in Vegas. The c.o.s. tells Jack he is drunk. Jack says get my father down here and we will see who is more drunk. First I thought, down here meant back from the dead. But now I believe Jack's dad must be alive in this time line that the Oceanic 6 came back to!!!

#187. Posted by: jst at February 4, 2008 10:32 AM

It cracked me up how formal Ben was... "Jack, with your permission I'd like to go with John..."

I'm in the camp who think that the critically injured Naomi sneaking off into the jungle unseen (except maybe by Ben) was just too cheesy. Suspension of disbelief cuz it's a TV show applies here.

I'm really looking forward (pun intended) to Kate's inevitable future-flash. It should reveal who she's shacking up with (another of the Oceanic Six? Sawyer?). She seems a bit more mentally stable than Jack, at least from their runway conversation, and at least at that point has no desire to return to the island. And she implies that Jack definitely knows who the 'he' is that will wonder where she is.

It'll be very interesting to see how the rest of the six become convinced that they need to go back to the island.

#188. Posted by: JoePike at February 4, 2008 11:03 AM

@176 davidrh saod:

>Got a little tired of the Eli Stone promos. Certainly hope it has better luck than “Groundhog Day with Blood” or whatever that show was called. What was it? Three episodes and dead.

"Daybreak" with Taye Diggs. Actually not half bad. And it went about 7 eps on-air, I think, and they finished it up on-line. Only major disappointment is they never produced any explanation for the major mystery - how the heck he was repeating the same day over and over. Did answer the minor mystery - details of the frame-up conspiracy he used his day-repeating powers to solve.

Eli Stone was promising, with similar caveats.

#189. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 4, 2008 11:11 AM

Can someone please explain to me the comment about Cindy's scarf being Naomi's sister? I just don't get it. By cindy, are you referring to the Tailie stewardess who was taken by the Other's who said she was there to watch when Jack was in his cage?

#190. Posted by: BEMH at February 4, 2008 12:04 PM

@Dude Man/184 - Sawyer lost a bet to Hurley, so he's not allowed to use nicknames for a week. But I also noticed and agree that it was out of character for him to be concerned about Hurley's emotional state.

@BEMH/190 - last season we were joking a lot about the scarf Cindy the tailie stewardess always wears around her neck. It started to take on a life of its own. Just a continuation of the silliness.

#191. Posted by: hurling at February 4, 2008 12:30 PM

@ BEMH: It's also well known that I'm the only one that's been on a date with Cindy's scarf. So don't be messin' with my woman!!

#192. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 4, 2008 12:34 PM

Okay, obviously hear-say, but my wife had heard someone's explanation that the Producers are totally effing with us. Run this little scenario through your mind . . .

The flash-forwards, are flash-backs as well.

Someone's idea is that all of those scenes of Kate and Jack in the future, talking about going back, is actually still in the past. It is a flawed opinion, but I figured I'd throw it out there for everyone to mull over.

#193. Posted by: ANTP? at February 4, 2008 1:00 PM

I believe the eyeball in Jacob's cabin belongs to Richard Alpert. Richard was told to go to the "temple"....could the temple be the cabin - or could the cabin be the entrance to the temple.

At the airport, flashforward w/Jack, Kate needs to get back to....her son.

Just wild guesses.

Len

#194. Posted by: Len at February 4, 2008 1:35 PM

Thanks for the explanation about the scarf. Would love to here the details of Red Neck Man's date with it! LOL

#195. Posted by: BEMH at February 4, 2008 1:39 PM

Red . . Neck . . Man!

YOU CAD!

My brother, DarrellAnn is pining for you in northern Minnesota and you're two-timing her with Cindy's Scarf!

I'm very disappointed.


#196. Posted by: davidrh at February 4, 2008 1:56 PM

HA!


You think BEMH was confused before? After that last post, ALL the newcomers will be totally confused . . .

For quick clarification (I only do this out of respect for my jilted brother) go to LOST NEWS: Lost Lines contest: and the winner is.


DarrellAnn. Or the Scarf? I think I've made my point, thankyouverymuch.

#197. Posted by: davidrh at February 4, 2008 2:04 PM

I really loved how Seasons 2 & 3 opened to 60's music (Mama Cass & Petula Clark); disappointed that they didn't continue the trend...

#198. Posted by: TT2 at February 4, 2008 2:04 PM

Ooooohhhhh, Len...now that's a good theory about Kate's mystery "he"...good one!

#199. Posted by: Vikki at February 4, 2008 2:24 PM

==THEORY THAT COULD BE A SPOILER ALERT=

Since a lot of people mentioned that Kate is a felon and she wouldn't be set free just because she survived a crash, I agree. I started to think about that. I just realized, the Oceanic 6 probably told the authorites that Kate Austin is dead and that the person we know is Kate has taken on another identity...maybe Claire's (since there is speculation that she adopts Claire's baby).

Remember, in the season 1 finale she tried to get on the raft with someone elses identity, so it wouldn't be unlike her. That could also be the secret that Jack and Hurley are trying to keep.

Anyone agree with this theory?

#200. Posted by: Sam at February 4, 2008 2:51 PM

@151/
Double jeopardy attaches when a criminal court begins to decide the merits of a case.
Kate has never stood trial so her return would not stop criminal prosecution. There is no statute of limitations for murder.

#201. Posted by: welh at February 4, 2008 4:25 PM

I went over to the find815(dot)com site/game and have come up with some ideas about where they are and what is truth/reality.

On the find815 site/game they have been emphasizing a few things:

1) There is a kind of bermuda triangle off of Australia somewhere where, according to the find815 web site, tons of ships and planes have been lost.
2) This guy "Sam", whose yet-to-be fiancee was on Flight 815, has hooked up with some people on a freighter that has been trying to locate the "Black Rock" (one must surmise the same one from the TV show) in this strange area.
3) Sam has video of Flight 815's remains at the bottom of some trench within this bermuda-triangle-like area. (This I got from the Oceanic Airlines commercial on TV I'm surmising that in the site/game he thinks he found the Black Rock and instead will find out later that it's Flight 815).

Now, if you tie in everything we know (and don't know) from the actual Lost TV show episodes with what they're positing on this site/game, you start to see a clearer picture about where the Losties might be.

Think about this: What if that plane he has found (according the the interruptions on the Oceanic Air commercial) really is Flight 815? There's already been mention from I cannot remember who at this moment that the plane wreckage of Flight 815 has been found with no survivors. The site/game, if truly part of and faithful to the storyline of the TV show, basically furthers that same fact, and now we know that it's Sam that finds the plane, even if he doesn't know that yet on the site/game.

Taking in both the show and the site/game as part of the same storyline, suddenly there's a new line in the sand drawn between the real world and the place where the island exists (and the people that are on it).

What if everyone and everything's existence on the island is distinct and separate from their existence in our reality? Basically, two existences, at the very least for our Losties.

Perhaps if you have something that can take you between the two you can have one existence that travels between the two realities? The Others were using a submarine to get to/from the island. Perhaps this isn't just to keep a low profile, but that they really do need to go "down" (not to Hell, per se) to something/somewhere to get to the island we know of on the show? Perhaps the button that was being pushed in the first two seasons kept control of some gateway between "there" (where the island and everything surrounding it exists) and "here" (where we exist). The few times we know of that things got out of control I think it broke open a gateway between "there" and "here" that is bigger than the one the Others normally used to travel back and forth.

I know there's supposedly a freighter off in the distance as of the most recent episode, and that now two helicopters have landed on the island including the one from last season. But we don't know it's actually a freighter, nor do we know how it got anywhere near the island. I'm beginning to think that perhaps it exists on the "other side" (our side) and the frequency lock they needed from the cell phone thingy was a way to find the pathway between the two sides.

Ok, I've thrown a lot of concept out there at once, and I haven't really filled in enough of the blank spots just yet - perhaps I won't be able to until the season unfolds further. Perhaps I'll need to see the truth in future seasons. But I think there's something very on-target to my idea. I just don't have enough answers yet to flesh it out.

#202. Posted by: LostedIt at February 4, 2008 4:53 PM

Holy Mololoy!

Remember those Lost Mobisodes? The faintly interesting little 2-3 minute episodes you could get on your cell phone or from the ABC website. For a while I was recapping them, but I got busy at work and haven't been there for a while.

But they really didn't add too much to the story, did they? So Christian gave Jack his daddy's watch on the day of his wedding, and Christian's daddy disapproved of Christian's marraige, whereas Christian thinks Jack's marrying the right woman.

So Jack and Ben played chess. So what? Right?

Well the 13th and final episode "So It Begins" changes all that.

The episode starts with the sound of a dog panting and running though the undergrowth of the Island. It's Vincent. He runs past scattered luggage and plane debris. Someone whistles for him and he runs to....


wait for it......

CHRISTIAN SHEPARD!!!!

Appearing alive!

On the island!

Or at least a very good imitation of him by Smokey.

He calls Vincent, kneels and holds his muzzle tenderly, telling him to "I want you to find my son. He's over there in that bamboo thicket. I want you to find him and wake him up." Vincent runs off to do so. Christian straightens and says "He has work to do." (Shades of Locke/Walt.)

We see Vincent run over to and past the unconscious Jack Shepard, straight out of the opening scene of the pilot. He wakes in the midst of the towering bamboo.

WOW!

#203. Posted by: Cecil at February 4, 2008 5:20 PM

I just noticed something strange in the screenshots of the Hurley-Oceanic lawyer scene. The chess board where the lawyer is sitting with Hurley is slightly different just after Hurley sits down next to him. I recall neither person moving any pieces.
And if you look at the table, there are actually 6 pieces missing (2 white pawns, 3 black pawns and 1 black bishop). If white represents the island (because that is where some believe Smokey is sitting), and black represents the 815 survivors, then could the Oceanic 6 actually be only 4 815 survivors and 2 Others?

#204. Posted by: welh at February 4, 2008 5:21 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought #175:
"W/Ben, Danielle, & Alex all going w/Locke, that's the start of a nice little dysfunctional family there."

Sounds like a Hallmark special "A Family for Alex." Ben and Danielle move in together to provide Alex with a home, but eventually fall in love and eat refrigerator chicken, while Uncle Locke lives in the apt over the garage, sharpens his knives and goes on long hikes with Carl, who he likes to call "Boone."

But, seriously, will Locke try to keep Ben prisoner? Will Ben scurry off to the temple to find his lost love, Richard? Will we finally get to see Rousseau's back story? (please, please, please!) I can't imagine Locke, Ben and Sawyer peaceably co-existing for longer than a nanosecond, so this should be interesting!

#205. Posted by: Clementine at February 4, 2008 6:44 PM

#203 Cecil Rose

You are so right about that last Mobisode. I mentioned it in my entry (#176) in relation to the suit and shoes worn by CS, but wow, it was an astounding piece of film.

Can you imagine if Season One had actually started with that scene! About the time we hit the father/son flashback episode, I fear we all would have be totally weirded-out!

That was a GREAT mobisode - after so many so-so to somewhat interesting "missing pieces".

#206. Posted by: davidrh at February 4, 2008 7:05 PM

@Clementine #205: LOL! Do they get the Hallmark station on I-TV (Island TV)? ; >

I posted this over in the Forums section, but thought it might spark some discussion here.

A memory floated out of the recesses of my brain earlier today...one of the exercises that exchange students did in a workshop before going overseas was a sort of team-building. We got a list of 25 or so people w/various attributes & had to decide which six we would want on our team & why (the setting was a deserted island & we were to plan to rebuild a civilization).

So here we have a list of beloved (or not so beloved) characters that we've had a chance to get to know. The Lostaways have split into Team Locke & Team Jack. If you were part of the group, which team would you choose & why? If there was an option to set up a third team, who do you think would be the leader & why, & who would be on that team? And if you could pick five people from all of the island inhabitants to make up your own team, who would they be & why? (This isn't to decide who & how to rebuild a civilization, but to think about what we'd do if we were in the Lostaways' situation.)

Discuss among ourselves...

#207. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 4, 2008 7:13 PM

@Stan Levine #183
"If someone could produce a manifest of the passengers, would the Oceanic Six coincide with the positions on the list of passengers?"

I had the same thought, but alas, the answer is not so simple. From Lostpedia, a list of the known Flight 815 seat numbers:

Boone Carlyle 9E
Shannon Rutherford 9F
Hugo "Hurley" Reyes 20G 20H
Jack Shephard 23B
Rose Nadler 23D
Bernard Nadler 23E
John Locke 24D
Claire Littleton 27C
Edward Mars 27G
Kate Austen 27H
Charlie Pace 29C
Ana-Lucia Cortez 42F

The only seats corresponding to the Numbers belong to Jack, Rose, Bernard and Ana-Lucia (and not Kate).

**********************************
@BEMH #190
"Can someone please explain to me the comment about Cindy's scarf being Naomi's sister?"

I am pre-nominating you for this year's Lost Lines Contest.

**********************************
@Sam #200
"I just realized, the Oceanic 6 probably told the authorites that Kate Austin is dead and that the person we know is Kate has taken on another identity...maybe Claire's"

I really like this theory. But it would depend on Claire not having any family or friends to identify her. Claire's mom is dead, but her Aunt Lindsey was still alive shortly before the flight (when drunken Christian Shepard went to her house) and little Aaron's daddy might come forward, if Kate claimed to be Claire.

But wouldn't it be neat if the "he" in "he's waiting for me" was Aaron?

#208. Posted by: Clementine at February 4, 2008 7:28 PM

@Clementine #208: Thanks for looking those seats nos. up. Seeing Charlie in Row 29 reminded me, though, that he didn't end up there at the time of the crash. I forget—was anyone else moving around the cabin who might have ended up in Rows 4, 15, & 16?

#209. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 4, 2008 7:43 PM

@davidrh... catbarf has personal relevance to me only because it is something my kitty leaves a lot of around the house, but its use as a screen name merely reflects my lack of patience with "clever" screen names and is my answer to them all. It also makes a great gamer tag ;)

God, I love this show.

CB

#210. Posted by: catbarf at February 4, 2008 10:16 PM

Wow, it is good to have LOST and Mac back.
I thought this epi was, 'meh.' It did not do a whole lot for me, but at least it is on again! I am glad I am stating my view at post 200+. I don't want to completely stir things up.

I have one theory that I don't remember reading, but it has been a while since I read season three. Ben killed his father to become the leader of Richard's group. Ben tells Locke that he must kill his father, and when he doesn't Ben apologizes to the crowd stating that Locke is not the man they thought he was. Locke gets Sawyer to do his dirty work, Locke brings dead daddy back and then Locke is number one. So, does killing your dad make you a leader to Richard's group? Peace out.

#211. Posted by: onelostdude at February 4, 2008 10:28 PM

Favorite line... "I don't want to see the ocean" - Hurley

#212. Posted by: catbarf at February 5, 2008 12:20 AM

Great to be back and GRAA Mac!

Just a thought as to the HO-HO-HO theory (sorry I don't remember the post # and we're already at 200 +).

I was watching a "Missing pieces" recap last night (really late...ah! the joys of Lost being back) and at one point Sam, the main character, circles a point on a map and right next to it is a location called...CHRSTMAS ISLAND.

I haven't done alot of digging but there seems to be 2 such Islands: the one in the area of the search in missing pieces (Indian Ocean) and a second one that would be pretty close to being a thousand miles off course of a regular Sydney-L.A. flight plan in the Pacific.

I haven't found any real significance yet but geographicly, it looks about right.

Have a good one

P.S. I had to make the name change, it seemed natural (used to be Prosecutor67)


#213. Posted by: One_of_the_Six at February 5, 2008 6:42 AM

Sorry about the mistake, you've probably guessed it's CHRISTMAS and not CHRSTMAS.

Just wanted to correct the mistake before the spelling police started an investigation...

P.S. Sorry for any other mistakes but it's early and I'm French-Canadian

#214. Posted by: One_of_the_Six at February 5, 2008 7:50 AM

P.S. Sorry for any other mistakes but it's early and I'm French-Canadian
214. Posted by: One_of_the_Six


OH NO! I can see it now . . .You and Alaïs_Longthought will become intimate penpals . . we’ll all have to learn to converse in French . . We’ll be compelled to start blogging on the Wine and Cheese website . . . and worst of all, we’ll all have to find some glamorous SUPER MODEL to cavort with . . . .

o wait. I’m having second thoughts . . .

#215. Posted by: davidrh at February 5, 2008 9:19 AM

. . . and worst of all, we’ll all have to find some glamorous SUPER MODEL to cavort with . . . .

o wait. I’m having second thoughts . . .

→ 215. Posted by: davidrh

Now I know that alot of the women here in Quebec are really good looking but remember, Rousseau is also French, so you should be having second thoughts...

#216. Posted by: One of the Six at February 5, 2008 9:36 AM

...recent episode, and that now two helicopters have landed on the island including the one from last season...

202. Posted by: LostedIt at February 4, 2008 04:53 PM
***************************************
I don't remember any copter landing on the island. So far the freighter people have parachuted in. Also, both of their copters looked & sounded in trouble when this happened. I am thinking the freighter is a remnant of Darma. It may be where the periodic supply drops had originated from. They kept the drops coming as long as someone was pushing the electro/magnetic hatch button. Now that the button pushing has stopped it is time for some button kicking.

#217. Posted by: jst at February 5, 2008 10:11 AM

@ Clementine/#208:
'@BEMH #190
"Can someone please explain to me the comment about Cindy's scarf being Naomi's sister?"

I am pre-nominating you for this year's Lost Lines Contest.'

--Oh man do I second that...so funny!!

@One of the Six/#213: Outstanding handle change...it may change your life like RNM did for me!!

#218. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 5, 2008 10:30 AM

A new thought on why Hurley said he didn't know Ana Lucia: Since Michael killed AL and he (Michael) is one of the O6, Hurley didn't want to point the finger at him. So he told angry cop guy that he never met her.

Although I still believe that Locke is in the coffin, at Lostpedia a good theory I saw was that Bernard or Rose is in the coffin. Rose is black (since that seems to be the prevaling thought of why the funeral was in a black neighborhood) and without Bernard around for whatever reason she may have ended up in the poorhouse dealing with her cancer.

#219. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 5, 2008 11:14 AM

Great to be back! I thought the eyeball in the cabin looked like Patchy but it makes sense that it would be Charlie since Hurley was having visions of him the whole rest of the ep.

Did anyone get together for an S4 party?

So glad to have these mysteries to make my head spin again!

#220. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 5, 2008 12:42 PM

Over at The Fuselage there is a fantastic thread: "Ho Ho Ho, I know where they are" - it ties all the references to the North Pole, Santa, Ho Ho Ho, Hurley's red and white robe, red and white Camaro, etc. Take a look and see if you agree that this is as solid an explanation for the location as any seen so far.

Can't wait to hear what you guys think.

Len

#221. Posted by: Len at February 5, 2008 12:45 PM

Considering we went 8 months between new episodes the LOST premiere was less than overwhelming. I agree with Taylor 0822 there was nothing significantly revealed that we didn't already know. Considering there will only be 6 episodes due to the writer's strike I was expecting something with more punch to it. The strike is going to wreck havoc with this show with further large gaps between episodes. The show's ratings which had declined last year, benefitted from the strike and lack of new programming. Yet, another 8-10 month hiatus after the last episode will effectively serve to kill the show to all but the most diehards. At the end of day it is viewership that pays the bills. That would be shame.

#222. Posted by: RC at February 5, 2008 12:57 PM

@davidrh "OH NO! I can see it now . . .You and Alaïs_Longthought will become intimate penpals . . we’ll all have to learn to converse in French . ."

Hey what about me? I'm "En Provence"! et je pense que Meg parle le français aussi. Ou peut-être c'était Clementine... Allez les enfants, encore trois jours pour arriver au nouveau Lost (les Disparu ;)

#223. Posted by: En Provence at February 5, 2008 1:15 PM

222:RC

Actually there will be 8 total eps this season...1/2 of the originally promised 16.

I'm okay with this episode not starting out with the BANG that everyone expected...I'm cool with it picking up right where last season left off and building up to episode 8. That one should have plenty of BANG.

#224. Posted by: JoePike at February 5, 2008 1:27 PM

En Provence . . .

I AM SOOOOOOOO SORRY! It's a busy day and I got all my folks mixed up . . .

So . . . WHATEVER YOU SAID . . . I agree. I am a grand popohead . . . Does that sound better in French? . .

My apologies.

Afterall, we're just ONE BIG MAC-DADDY FAMILY HERE, right?

#225. Posted by: davidrh at February 5, 2008 1:34 PM

@jst (Post 217)

My apologies for saying they had actually landed. I do understand one crashed off-shore and the other simply dropped the new visitor in the most recent episode. I should have worded it better. I should have said "reached" the island, not "landed on".

@Len (Post 221)

I'll check The Fuselage, but I think at first blush that, like the Hurleybird, it's all just an intentional diversion from the central storyline.

Then again, if in fact the whole show is all just a dream or mental break of Hurley's somehow (see Post 183), one could place these kinds of things as simply hooks into his psyche, kind of like how we all weave seemingly nonsensical things into our dreams at night. The difference here is that an entire nightmarish world exists around the little peeks into niceties.


#226. Posted by: LostedIt at February 5, 2008 2:27 PM

@jst (Post 217)

Holy cow-puckies, batman. Now I've got the creepies. The post sounded VERY close to what I just recently posted on this site (post 202), and I can promise you I definitely NEVER saw that person's hypothesis until I went over and read it just now.

I'm telling you, it just makes sense: They're not in the same reality (as we know it) as us.

If the information on find815 is correct, the Black Rock was lost in 1881 and somehow ended up on the island, but Rousseau thinks it's only been around 18-20 years (cannot remember, but I think that's around how old her daughter is) since they crash-landed. Richard doesn't seem to age. The Others use(d) a submarine to get to the island. Energy bursts seem to suck things like airplanes in (or a copy of them? - see my aforementioned post). People seem to heal miraculously.

It's either another reality or some intermediate place between life and death (if the Lost writers want the story to be all existential and spiritual and the like), or both - they're almost interchangeable in some ways.

Anyhoo, I'm more convinced than ever about this theory.


#227. Posted by: LostedIt at February 5, 2008 2:53 PM

I don't think the "he" that Kate refers to is a child. It's supposedly only been 3 years since the crash, so if Kate had a son he would be around 2 yrs old, and Aaron would be 3. She says "he will be looking/waiting for me" (I'm blanking at the moment, does anyone remember). This has to be an adult who would ask her questions that she doesn't want to answer.

#228. Posted by: Rudy at February 5, 2008 3:01 PM

@Un des Six, davidrh, En Provence: Bonjour! Ça va aujourd'hui? Ici il pleut. ; > I guess emoticons are like Esperanto. ; > So en français, would LOST be PERDU?

I was looking through the newest issue of the LOST magazine today & found the transcript of Leonard's conversation w/Hurley from way back in Season 1, when they were playing Connect 4 in the mental health institution. One line caught my attention: Leonard is very upset that Hurley used "The Numbers" to play the lottery & yells, "You've opened the box!" What if the nos. are like a passkey to a portal to the island? Would that explain how Ben brought Anthony Cooper to the island—through "the box"?

Another random thought—coffins can be referred to as boxes. Does one have to die to go to the island, literally (like Christian) or figuratively (like all the Lostaways were supposedly dead, like Naomi said)?


#229. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 5, 2008 3:08 PM

HEY HEY MAC.

It may have been 8 months - but you haven't lost the magic touch. I wouldn't worry about the length of your recaps - it's the quality, not the quantity, of the words that count.

Anywho - I'm sure this has all been covered already and I tried reading all the posts, I got to #86 and my eyes started going buggy. So please forgive me if I'm covering points already discussed.

1) I've noticed that folks keep mentioning that there are only 7 more episodes left. There should be 15 eps left for this season, unless you're referring to the writers strike and it's effect on current production. I could have sworn that the creators of the show had struck a deal with ABC to continue for 3 more seasons (including this season) but run shorter (16 eps, instead of 24).

2) I swear the guy in the chair of Jacob's "Love Shack" is Christian Shepherd. I'm not sure though about the eye that pops into view belonging to Locke, the eye that popped into view is brown, Locke's eyes are green.

3) Gotta love that Hurley.

Anyway, I'm sorry if this has already been discussed to death.

Mac - Great to have back ! ! !

#230. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 5, 2008 3:12 PM

Ok, I'm posting one more time because I've read a bunch more of the theory on The Fuselage, and it just seems to be so right on the money, at least with their theory about the North Pole being a major point in the whole Lost storyline. I just didn't see it until this moment.

There are just too many clues going all the way back to the first season about how the North Pole must have something to do with the island.

Everyone, seriously, find your way over to The Fuselage for a moment (be sure to come back here though!) and look over the discussion labeled "Ho, Ho, Ho . . . I may know where they are" . It's just THAT compelling.

#231. Posted by: LostedIt at February 5, 2008 3:25 PM

@En Provence: Je parle français...très très peu! Mais je ne réside pas en Provence. Malheureusement ! I’m coming to you from under my umbrella in Pittsburgh, with two and a half inches of rain expected today.

@Davidrh: I think Prosecutor67’s nom de Blog has changed to One_of_the_Six, while En Provence remains En Provence. Literally. But can we still have wine and cheese, please?

@Alaïs_Longthought: En France, il est “Lost, les Disparus” et “Perdues” dans la version canadienne. And if I were to watch either version, I would truly be Lost.

@Crispy Seaplanes: ¡Hola! Where have you been, dude?

And where’s bcre8ve??

#232. Posted by: Clémentine at February 5, 2008 3:34 PM

#231

See.....I thought you'd like it!

#233. Posted by: Len at February 5, 2008 3:48 PM

The more I look at the mysterious eye that pops up, the more I am convinced it isn't any of our losties. I have no other theories as to who it is, so I am assuming we haven't met him yet. Also, I never really saw Christian (I am positive that the figure in the chair is Christian) move. It very well could be his body. Since we didn't get a real good look at it, we don't know if it was decomposing or not.

#234. Posted by: Raider at February 5, 2008 3:48 PM

@Raider/235 et al: Well, my VCR is in bad shape, so I'm watching blurry, dark images, but I thought the skin & eye color could make it Marvin Candle.

#235. Posted by: hurling at February 5, 2008 4:34 PM

"Jacob" is definitely Christian Shepard. John Terry (who plays Christian) is listed as a Guest Star at the beginning of the episode, and imdb.com lists that John Terry appeared as Christian Shepard in this episode.

#236. Posted by: Rudy at February 5, 2008 4:56 PM

It very well could be his body. Since we didn't get a real good look at it, we don't know if it was decomposing or not.

→ 234. Posted by: Raider at February 5, 2008 03:48 PM

As ten-year-old Miss Longthought would say, "Gross man!" ; )

#237. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 5, 2008 5:43 PM

Je pense que mon nom n'est pas creatif, mais, mes amis, je parle Francais aussi! Je parle Francais un tres tres peu, mais j'ai participer dans le conversation...merci! :)

Sorry about that...this show does funny things to you.

#238. Posted by: Vikki at February 5, 2008 5:51 PM

@ En Provence - I'm not sure what you said, but I saw my name in there and it got me all warm and fuzzy inside...:)
Hey, I used to date a guy with the last name "Provence" maybe you are he....shhh, don't tell :)

#239. Posted by: meg at February 5, 2008 6:04 PM

I love LOST and MAC. The 8 month wait was worth it. Re: Kate....finally someone proposed that the "he" waiting for her is her son. Remember, Kate was having Juliette do a pregnancy test. Also, Kate obviously wouldn't go to the funeral for fear of being recognized. I also believe she's living under an alias. So many other good theories, so little time to comment. Thank y'all for the humor and insight.

#240. Posted by: lovelost at February 5, 2008 6:26 PM

My first thought when I saw the eye in the window at Jacob's house was that it was Mikhail's eye. Anyone else agree?

#241. Posted by: Julia at February 5, 2008 7:33 PM

OK OK ENOUGH!

All you show-off French-speaking linguistically acrobatic tongue-twisters out there.

I’ll show you guys.

Schooby-dobie-doBop Do Dilliya-dah-do-wop. Boobily-booboo-do
didilyBop pu-dobop. Schada-schada shubop boo . . Dop. Boop. Bop.

Let that be a lesson to you.


Thankyouverymuch.


davidrh has left the building.

#242. Posted by: davidrh at February 5, 2008 7:49 PM

@raider-

we don't know for sure that the eye didn't belong to a lostie. it could very well be locke's. Remember? He's "special."

#243. Posted by: forever_lost at February 5, 2008 9:13 PM

En Provence/#223: je pense que Meg parle le français aussi. Ou peut-être c'était Clementine...

En Provence: je parle français aussi. (C'est moi qui t'ai demandé si tu habites en provence.) Un de ces jours, nous devons avoir une Soirée de Lost chez vous! Je porterai la Brie! ;)

#244. Posted by: Trinity at February 6, 2008 1:24 AM

@davidrh -
Oh, ooby do! I wanna be like you-ou-ou
scoobedy doo! Walk like you, talk like you do-oo-oo!

#245. Posted by: hurling at February 6, 2008 9:51 AM

oops, i didn't see Crispy Seaplanes'(#220) post

#246. Posted by: Julia at February 6, 2008 10:06 AM

I believe all of us uni-linguists would appreciate a halt to the foreign language lesson going on in here. First a Chinese recap request, then a Frenchy revolution. Let's keep it English yo....or mac is gonna have to start deleting the riff-raff.

Why?

Cause I said so!!

#247. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 6, 2008 11:08 AM

@Red...Neck...Man

Dear Mr. Red... Neck...

Do you realize that your last post was spoken by a gentlemen that's in love with a scarf !!!

ok ok a very nice scarf.

I can tell we are ready for another episode !

Hey you all everybody maybe one with at least one answer!

p.s. I love you guys !!!

#248. Posted by: SamFin at February 6, 2008 11:46 AM

YOU WON"T BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!
When Hurley starts to faint after seeing the eye in Jacob's cabin you can clearly see someone standing behind him as he falls! I had to watch the video a couple of times but in the last second as he falls away from the window you can clearly see someone behind him! You have to pause just at the last second to see him. You won't believe who it looks like!

www.fanpop.com/spots/lost/videos/707693

#249. Posted by: Hurley ho at February 6, 2008 11:57 AM

FUN LITTLE THINGY:

If you go to the ABC LOST webpage...there is a fun little thing called 'Sawyer's Nickname Generator'...if you were lost on the island...what would his nickname be for you????

Mine is:
MILQUETOAST

What the hell does that mean?

#250. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 6, 2008 12:45 PM

@ Alaïs_Longthought -

Sorry. I know it was a bit macabre, but it seemed to make sense. I guess that shows you how my mind works.

@ hurling -

It does look a bit like Candle! I just wasn't thinking of him. What if he is still on the island or died on the island? I think you might be on to something.

#251. Posted by: Raider at February 6, 2008 12:50 PM

My nickname is "sticks" which is better than milquetoast but not by much.
Sawyer is having a bad day

#252. Posted by: Hurley ho at February 6, 2008 12:53 PM

Well, I'm Twiggy. But I look nothing like the original Twiggy. ; )

#253. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 6, 2008 1:39 PM

Is it just me or does anyone else continue to get Dr. Marvin Candle from LOST confused with Dr. Marvin Monroe from The Simpsons???? (slightly slow day)

#254. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 6, 2008 1:40 PM

→ 250. Posted by: Red...Neck...Milquetoast
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Casper Milquetoast was a 1920's English Comic Strip about "a timid and retiring man." Much like 'SadSack' or 'Wimpy'.

now - Milquetoast - a timid man or boy considered childish or unassertive.

Synonym: pantywaist, sissy, pansy, coward, a person who shows fear or timidity.
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Wow, I think RNM hit the "Sawyer Nickname" lottery. (because of the irony... it is so NOT RNM... just like Sawyer would use it).

#255. Posted by: DocH at February 6, 2008 1:42 PM

I have a theory about the coffin ... I think it's Michael. I do not believe that we'll see Michael on the island this season. I suspect that all of Michael's scenes will be off-island and that he takes on a new persona & name. I think Season 4 will wrap up Michael's story, ending with his death by suicide. I'm just guessing here ...

As for Jacob=Christian ... I think the writers f&*#ed with us. They wouldn't give it away so simply and so quickly. I fall into the camp that thinks Christian was in Jacob's cabin, but that Christian is not Jacob.

Finally, a thought: Remember bearded Jack in the last episode of Season 3? Remember how he talked about Christian being upstairs? Maybe Jack will start seeing Christian apparitions, just as Hurley saw a Charlie ghost? Maybe Christian and Charlie, because their dead bodies are on the island, somehow become ghostly?

Hmmmmm ...

#256. Posted by: Matt at February 6, 2008 1:46 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought - Bonjour! ça va, ça va. Il fait beau ici, 14 degrés et plein de soleil ! En France, Lost s'appelle, "Lost - Les Disparu" go figure.

I think there's something to your "box" theory. I don't know about the numbers part, but definitely the phrase, "you've opened the box" has come out more than once.

@LostedIt - yup, I'm right there with you. I love the "Ho, Ho, Ho" theory. The only problem I have with it is that the Losties are much closer to the south pole than the north pole and all of the clues seem to point North. There's so, so many clues for this theory!

@Clémentine, te voila ! Tant pis pour le temps a Pittsburgh (très beau ville, je l'aime bien). Je suis contents que tu est la. Bring on the vin et fromage!

@Crispy Seaplanes: "¡Hola! Where have you been, dude?" like Clementine said, where ya been?

@bcre8ve - where are you?!?

@Vikki - ouais ! te voila, bienvenu parmi nous !

@meg - yay MIF! I said, "I think Meg speaks French too, or maybe it was Clementine... Let's go kids, there's still 3 more days before the new Lost.

@davidrh - oh david, I just learned to speak French. I'm living here and when I arrived I had maybe 30 words of French. After three years, I'm doin' ok. Not bad for a 45 year old! An for all you old farts out there, my little brother told me learning a language or how to play an intrument "later in life" helps stave off dementia. I don't think it's working, I'm still demented ;)

@Trinity - Est-ce que tu habites ici ? Compte sur moi pour une soirée, excellente idée !

@Red...Neck...Man - sorry RNM, it's just that French is so dang hard to learn, we can't help showing off a bit. I'll try to stay on topic from now on. But don't be surprised if a little French seeps in, c'est la vie ;)

@Hurley ho - I thought I saw someone else too, and I haven't heard anything about it on the other Forums. Anyone got a screencap?

#257. Posted by: En Provence at February 6, 2008 1:49 PM

Does anyone remember that Jack and Claire are half-brother and sister?

#258. Posted by: Chris at February 6, 2008 2:36 PM

Here is some food for thought.

We saw Hurley, back home, in a 'maddened' state of mind, having 'visions' of Charlie. We also know that Hurley has had 'visions' before - his friend Dave(?) I believe. When he saw Charlie, Charlie looked nicely dressed and groomed, nothing like his island (or pre-island) self.

Now we know Jack has had 'visions'. He has conversed with his dead father. He was in a state of despair when he did. We have also seen Jack post-island, in a depressed & maddened state, nearly suicidal, in the season 3 finale . In that state, who did he converse with that was nicely dressed & groomed, nothing like her island (or pre-island) self? That would be Kate! So... if a dead Charlie appeared to a "crazy" island survivor like Hurley, may I suggest that Kate is dead too, appearing to "crazy" island survivor Jack. KATE IS NOT ONE OF THE OCEANIC SIX.

#259. Posted by: DocH at February 6, 2008 2:36 PM

@249 Hurley ho said:

>When Hurley starts to faint after seeing the eye in Jacob's cabin you can clearly see someone standing behind him as he falls! I had to watch the video a couple of times but in the last second as he falls away from the window you can clearly see someone behind him! You have to pause just at the last second to see him. You won't believe who it looks like!

OK, I've watched it and still can't tell much. Who is it you think you see?

#260. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 6, 2008 2:55 PM

@DocH #259: "may I suggest that Kate is dead too, appearing to "crazy" island survivor Jack. KATE IS NOT ONE OF THE OCEANIC SIX."

Oh, I like that! Maybe that's why she was wearing so much lip-gloss. Cause Jack imagined-her-up that way.

#261. Posted by: Clementine at February 6, 2008 3:03 PM

Cecil Rose:
Well, I'd rather not say until someone else sees the person there too. Did you try to pause the video at the very last second? It's tough to do but when you get it right there is no mistaking it

www.fanpop.com/spots/lost/videos/707693

P.S. For all I know it could be one of the guys on the set making sure the actor didn't hurt himself

#262. Posted by: Hurley ho at February 6, 2008 3:03 PM

→ 261. Clementine
I thought you would like that. It also explains why she is well to-do, not incarcerated, and we don't see any freckles.

(Though I do like my ladies with chest freckles... its' an Irish thing).

#263. Posted by: DocH at February 6, 2008 3:45 PM

@En Provence: Bonjour! Il pleut aussi aujourd'hui, which means it's probably raining on Crispy too (am I right, Crispy?). Your statement about about learning a new language to stave off dementia was a LOL! I have beaucoup de vin de Nouveau Zealand to contribute to any LOST parties...

@Clementine (& anyone else living in the Pittsburgh area): If you're a Viggo Mortensen fan, you'll have to keep your eyes open for sightings. Cormac McCarthy's The Road is being filmed in SW PA from late February to late April.

@DocH #259: Wow! V-e-r-y interesting theory. We'll have to keep our eyes peeled for evidence as the season continues. Maybe we'll hear something about Jack's lip gloss fetish. ; >


#264. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 6, 2008 4:24 PM

I think the "ash" ring aroung Jacob's place is the Black Smoke. It could be either 1) the leftover from his last sojourn or 2) stored there for future appearances or 3) a protective "moat" around his house (to keep out the bad karma) or 4) all of the above. So Jacob could either be or control the Black Smoke either as a monster or as a protector.

#265. Posted by: LostInSpace at February 6, 2008 4:34 PM

Ahhhh.. my fellow losties...
Good not great epi. i think we see JUMBO-TRON's flash forword 1st for a reason, Hurley is "KING" . We should focus more on him. I keep going back to the St. elsewere logic, it's all in his mind.
Maybe he never left the nut house in the first place,that's why that other guy can see dead Charlie, anything possible in his story. In the interrogation room the No smo"KING" sign seems to be stratigicly placed right behind Hurley in several shots,(U know how the show likes to show us certain things they want us to see) check it out, ahh.. DVR how did we live without it. it could be nothing though. Great RE-cap Mac.

#266. Posted by: T -spoon at February 6, 2008 5:09 PM

Ahhhh.. my fellow losties...
Good not great epi. i think we see JUMBO-TRON's flash forword 1st for a reason, Hurley is "KING" . We should focus more on him. I keep going back to the St. elsewere logic, it's all in his mind.
Maybe he never left the nut house in the first place,that's why that other guy can see dead Charlie, anything possible in his story. In the interrogation room the No smo"KING" sign seems to be stratigicly placed right behind Hurley in several shots,(U know how the show likes to show us certain things they want us to see) check it out, ahh.. DVR how did we live without it. it could be nothing though. Great RE-cap Mac.

#267. Posted by: T -spoon at February 6, 2008 5:10 PM

Ahhhh.. my fellow losties...
Good not great epi. i think we see JUMBO-TRON's flash forword 1st for a reason, Hurley is "KING" . We should focus more on him. I keep going back to the St. elsewere logic, it's all in his mind.
Maybe he never left the nut house in the first place,that's why that other guy can see dead Charlie, anything possible in his story. In the interrogation room the No smo"KING" sign seems to be stratigicly placed right behind Hurley in several shots,(U know how the show likes to show us certain things they want us to see) check it out, ahh.. DVR how did we live without it. it could be nothing though. Great RE-cap Mac.

#268. Posted by: T -spoon at February 6, 2008 5:10 PM

SORRY for 267&268 computer Gremlins!

#269. Posted by: T -spoon at February 6, 2008 5:14 PM

@254 - R...N...M....or Dr. Leo Marvin from What About Bob???

"I'm saiiiiiiiiiiiiiiling!!!!"

#270. Posted by: Vikki at February 6, 2008 6:29 PM

Okay guys, I am ready for tomorrow. I would break out speaking in Cebuano here, to compete with those speaking French. Yet, I'm not sure anyone here knows that language. Anyone know the country?


My predicition is that tomorrow will reveal many more questions, and solve little...I used my crystal ball to predict that...:)

#271. Posted by: meg at February 6, 2008 6:54 PM

@meg #271: Being the grind that I am, I Googled it—the Philippines (or more specifically Central Visayas and most of Mindanao). Did you spend time there?

#272. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 6, 2008 7:12 PM

Sawyer said my name is "Little Bo Peep"...not sure how that fits, but I'll take it!

#273. Posted by: Vikki at February 6, 2008 8:03 PM

Sawyer said I was

SUPER MACHO STUD-MUFFIN!


I lied.

"Capt. Albino".


(Definitely a downer. grrrr. Just see what I call YOU for the rest of this season, buddy . . . big . . blond . . putz . . guy . .)


#274. Posted by: davidrh at February 6, 2008 8:42 PM

my Sawyer-generated nickname is Peachfuzz. Not the most degrading of terms, so I'll quit while I'm ahead.

@En Provence: Non, j'habite aux EE-UU. Mais, je suis allée au Montréal avant que je pouvais parler français et je veux y rentrer maintenant et essayer mes aptitudes linguistiques avec les francophones canadiens. Alors, si quelqu'un y habite, nous devons faire des plans pour une réunion!

OK, I'll stop now. It's hard to close those gates once they're open!

#275. Posted by: Trinity at February 6, 2008 9:53 PM

Just watched again and realized, the last thing Hurley says to Jack in the flash forward is "I think it wants us to go back...(WE'RE NEVER GOING BACK) Never say never dude!"

Minus the "dude", this is exactlty what Ben said to Jack about someday wanting to return to the island if he leaves in the Missing Pieces ep of them playing chess

#276. Posted by: CC at February 7, 2008 12:24 AM

If pregnant women are supposed to die on the island, why is Claire not dead yet ? I might have missed/forgot something in the previous seasons...

Lot of french people overhere!! I'm from France too.. but I hate watching the french dubbed version of Lost. The french voices are kind of ridiculous!

Good job Mac. I've been reading all your recaps since the begining. Keep up the good work!

#277. Posted by: Vega at February 7, 2008 4:11 AM

I got my Sawyer nickname, its Rerun. I beleive this is Charlie Brown's or Lucy's little brother, is this right?

I tried it serveral times and it always came up with a new name.

#278. Posted by: micHael at February 7, 2008 8:49 AM

I think the key is that Claire didn't conceive on the island, which seems to be a pre-cursor for pregnancy croaking.

I don't expect tonight's episode to move the story forward much again, but we have to hang in there...everything that happens is major setup for the final episodes this very short season. And those final eps will be well worth waiting for.

#279. Posted by: JoePike at February 7, 2008 9:40 AM

I know we’re running out of time on this episode’s blog, but before we move on to tonight, I wanted to make a comment about Cecil’s #260 posting - and mentioned by several others - concerning the “person” behind Hurley when he fell backwards at Jacob’s cabin.

Somebody mentioned that it could have been a “stagehand” helping with the fall. This is not an implausible answer. Remember that scenes in movies and TV shows get shot numerous times and a film editor puts the pieces together from the “best” available material.

And we all know about the many gaffs in movies - The Arnold Governator scene in TWINS where the beer bottle appears, disappears, appears, disappears - all in the same “continuous” scene. Anjelica Huston in EVER AFTER speaking with Drew Barrymore with hand on the cheek, hand in the lap, hand on the cheek, hand on the lap - all in what was meant to be a “continuous” scene. Matthew Perry in THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, sitting on a wall with hands on the wall, hands folded in lap, on the wall, on the lap, on the wall, on the . . YOU get the picture. I think there’s actually a book - or at the least, a website - on film bloopers.

Anyway, all this to say, that perhaps the “fall helper” - afterall, Hurley is a BIG BOY - shows up in ALL the takes of the shot and the editor chooses one, no doubt the darkest one - and splices it in for one second. It happens all the time.

Of course, maybe it is SOMEBODY NEW to the cast - we’ll soon find out, I’m sure. And on the other hand, it could be just a blooper no one thought anyone else would catch.

Why they might think that, I don’t know, since LOST is probably the most over-analyzed and minutia factoid dissected show on television.

Nothing gets past a LOST GEEK!

(Well, at least until the next plot twist . . . )

#280. Posted by: davidrh at February 7, 2008 10:14 AM

@ davidrh: Don't forget the Storm Trooper hitting his head in A New Hope...that's rad!!

Also, I've decided instead of complaining about all the french crap..I mean talk in here, that I will step-up and compete.......so I present to you...directly from my step-mom...my foreign language phrase of the day...let's see if anyone get's it!!

'Gung Hay Fat Choy'

WHAT'S UP NOW Yo?!?!?!?!

#281. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 7, 2008 10:36 AM

@ 259. "KATE IS NOT ONE OF THE OCEANIC SIX."

Interesting thought, especially since it almost sounds like Jack is calling a disconnected number most of the ep. But what about what Jack says when he does get through: about the meeting place, "You know where." Which turns out to be by the fence at the airport, suggesting that Kate and Jack share a final poignant heart-breaking moment when they do return home, a private moment while a big "Castaway"-type celebration goes on on the tarmac.

#282. Posted by: LockeBox at February 7, 2008 10:42 AM

@Alais_Longthought - Good job! Yes, I did, but it didn't help me at all with my French...:)

Only a few more hours to go...

#283. Posted by: meg at February 7, 2008 10:42 AM

And happy new year of the mouse to you, too.

#284. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 7, 2008 10:54 AM

@Meg 271

I knew right off where they spoke Cebuano, I spent 2 years in the Phillipines back in 1965-66. Let's see I was about minus 15 then !

Anyway I would give 20 bucks if I could remember how to say Meg is First in Tagolog !!!!

#285. Posted by: SamFin at February 7, 2008 12:00 PM

Haha, my nickname is "Einstein!" That Sawyer, he's pretty sharp. ;)

And I'm furiously signing many witty and rude phrases at all of you, but without universal webcams, I'm unable to show off.

#286. Posted by: hurling at February 7, 2008 12:27 PM

@Chris #258: Yep, still remembering Jack's & Claire's relationship...I'm not sure if anyone else knows of it though now that Christian is dead (we think) & Claire's mom (whose name escapes me) is comatose. Does Claire's aunt know?

@Vega #277: Unfortunately I'm not really French...I just play a Frenchwoman on this blog. ; > But I did study in Strasbourg for a semester at the university. Which part of France are you from?

@MicHael #278: Rerun is Linus's & Sally's little brother.

@JoePike #279: I had asked the same question, but regarding Danielle, over in the Forums (although...I think it was you who had said last year that "We don't need no stinkin' forums!," so maybe I shouldn't mention the Forums ; > ) & hurling pointed out that it was what you said—if the conception took place on the island it was bad.

@RNM #281: Happy Year of the Rat to you also! Did you get your red envelope today?

#287. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 7, 2008 12:28 PM

@Vega #277: Unfortunately I'm not really French...I just play a Frenchwoman on this blog . . .

I'm not French either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express outside of Paris, Texas once . . .

#288. Posted by: Davidrh at February 7, 2008 1:05 PM

@Davidrh/288 - I learned all the French I know from Alec Baldwin on Saturday Night Live.

#289. Posted by: hurling at February 7, 2008 1:16 PM

@Davidrh/#288: "I'm not French either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express outside of Paris, Texas once"

LMAO!! Good one!

#290. Posted by: Trinity at February 7, 2008 1:32 PM

Je ne parle francais!

#291. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 7, 2008 3:10 PM

I'm gonna drink so much MacCutcheon's tonight it's ridiculous!!!!!

#292. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 7, 2008 4:03 PM

Rerun is also Rog's friend from What's Happening from the 70's. Hey, Hey, Hey...

#293. Posted by: green at February 7, 2008 4:08 PM

The HO HO HO theory is awesome. This episode of Lost was brought to you today by the letters H and O. North/South Pole makes sense for the fact that there is a magnetic abnomally. Polar Bears. Echo's stick saying look North, Penny's crew being in an artic region, Desmonds reference to a snow globe.

Also, based on what I hear about tonight's episode being a freighter-centric episode. I wish they used this one as the first episode of the season, it would follow form more. First season starts by introducing Losties, Second cleverly introduces Desmond and hatch-land. Third cleverly introduces the other-ville. It would be fitting to have Fourth season start in a clever way to introduce the freighter party. I think people would have been more excited. I liked this Hurley episode, but it could have waited I think.

#294. Posted by: callaway76 at February 7, 2008 4:32 PM

Happy LOST watching tonight folks. You guys crack me up as always!
(and no, I don't speak French - I have a hard enough time speaking English - or is that American...?)
Anyways, have fun tonight and I look forward to reading all your posts tomorrow. (Hey, isn't it about time for a "bunny" sighting?)

#295. Posted by: BunnyLover at February 7, 2008 4:57 PM

Hmmmm... My Sawyer nickname is "Haus".

Should I mention this other blog over thataways...

www*tvfodder*com/house

#296. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 7, 2008 5:30 PM

Thursday could not come soon enough. Is it just me, or was that the longest week ever? Anyway, happy lostday to all!

#297. Posted by: Raider at February 7, 2008 5:48 PM

Ill bet you five bucks Gin bites it this season.

#298. Posted by: kaseygirl106 at February 7, 2008 7:11 PM

@red...neck...man

please have one for me. I quit drinking 20 years ago and still haven't sobered up.

Is Mac's post up yet?

Oh crap it hasn't started yet.

#299. Posted by: SamFin at February 7, 2008 8:36 PM

@170/meg Hey what if Kate assumed somone else's indentity?!? Did anyone notice the picture? ;) :P

@193/ANTP except it was clearly established that the crash occurred in 2004, and unless there are major continuity errors, Jack's Flash Forward should be in 2007.

@200/Sam Wow, what if Kate assumed somone else's indentity?!? Did anyone notice the picture? ;) :P

@227/LostedIt Russeau wasn't on the Black Rock, she was on a different ship.

@278/micHael ReRun was also a character on What's Happening?!?


Sawyer calls me Skeletor! Almost 9PM! See you guys in the episode 2 recap thread!

#300. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 7, 2008 8:57 PM

You guys just HAD to jinx tonight's episode by writing in French, didn't you?
Bueno, yo voy ahora. La semana que viene, van a hablar todo el episodo en espanol. O ivrit, yiddish, or ASL. Si no es ingles, debe ser alguna idioma que entiendo.
See ya tomorrow on the next page.

#301. Posted by: hurling at February 7, 2008 10:13 PM

James says I'm "Cloudy".

What do you suppose he means by that?!
Nice to see I've been missed. Hopefully I'll have more time this next week.

#302. Posted by: crispy seaplanes at February 7, 2008 11:21 PM

Sorry to post for a third time but I have a hard time waiting for tonight's episode, though it's only a half hour away.
Anyways, is it just me or does anyone else hope and pray that there will be a flashback in the upcoming seasons dealing with how Black Rock got there. Basically the origin of Richard Alpert.

#303. Posted by: callaway76 at February 7, 2008 11:33 PM

OK, just discovered your website tonite..think you're hilarious and can't believe I haven't been here before, so happy to be around LOST fans, and look forward to your reviews from now on. LOVIN Daniel the mustached-parachute guy (although he has a bit of dodgy hairdo..) Any LOST parties going on in Mpls ?
Weez

#304. Posted by: Weezy at February 9, 2008 1:53 AM

Might as well take advantage of my award last season....

RNMiL!!

#305. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 12, 2008 12:44 PM