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Key Points from "The Economist"

Season 4, Episode 3
Episode Air Date: 02/14/08

Point 1
Sayid

Kate

Miles
It's official. Ben is the puppet master.

I have no idea how they're going to do it. Not a clue. But oh my, is it going to be fun to see how current events mesh with future flashes.

Let's spill this episode's two biggest beans right up front:

  • Bean No. 1: We learn that Sayid joins Jack, Kate and Hurley among the Oceanic Six.
  • Bean No. 2: We also learn that someone else makes it off the island, but his association with Oceanic is limited to occasional transcontinental trips and watching jumbo jets crack into pieces above his beloved island.

    It's BEN. Benjamin Linus gets off the island!

    And it gets better! BEN AND SAYID ARE IN CAHOOTS!

It's all un-freaking-believable.

So now that we've got that out of the way, let's hit the high points of this future-flashy episode of goodness.

The episode picks up where last week's left off -- Miles reveals the Boaters' true mission (find Ben) and Jack/Kate/Sayid/Juliet stand around, jaws agog. But here's the interesting bit: Miles says he doesn't know why they're supposed to retrieve Ben.

So let's get this straight: Four seemingly random people from wildly disparate backgrounds are brought together to travel to a strange, geographically anomalous island so they can retrieve the Other Overlord. Yet these people have no idea why Ben is so important.

Huh. Weird.

Anyway ... since this is a Sayid episode, he's presented with a rare opportunity to step out of the background and assume a leadership position (next week he'll reassume his customary role hauling guns across the island and offering whispered warnings to his fellow castaways). Early on, Sayid makes a deal with Frank Lapidus, the Boater/helicopter pilot: If Sayid brings Charlotte (Locke's Boater hostage) back safely, Frank will fly Sayid to the freighter so he can kick ass and get answers. Frank agrees.

With that, Sayid, Miles and Kate head off to the Other barracks for a little island diplomacy.

Upon arriving at the shores of Bensylvania, the trio finds the barracks abandoned (we know this because there's lots of attention paid to the set design -- old swingsets creaking in the breeze; tipped bicycles; odd swirls of dry leaves; Richard Alpert's discarded eyeliner, etc.). But then, in the distance, they hear the muffled cries of ... someone.

The group follows the sound to an empty Other condo. Inside, they find ... Hurley?

The big man has been bound and gagged by Team Locke. Sayid and Kate set him free and he tells them that Locke ostracized him because he was asking too many questions (and that "dude" thing was just too much to handle in these pressure-packed times). Unfortunately, Hurley's information is minimal -- he tells his rescuers that Locke planned to visit Ben's condo before departing. It's not much to go on, but it's a start.

The scene shifts to Ben's swank bachelor pad (outfitted with blacklights and a sexy monkey bar dangling above fresh silk sheets). Kate scopes out Ben's room while Sayid looks over Ben's library ... and that's when he notices the deep scratch carved into the hardwood floor at the base of the bookcase.

Sayid moves the bookcase and discovers BEN'S PANIC ROOM!

Moving into the small windowless room, Sayid sees a collection of suits and luggage arranged neatly along the walls. Tucked inside a desk he finds a drawer full of paper currency -- Ben has amassed quite a collection of international funds -- and a big stack of passports.

Ben = Jason Bourne.

Let's pause a moment to consider this revelation. Somehow, Ben has been leaving the island and spending money in all sorts of countries. Presumably, his chief method of departure was the submarine. But here's a question: If Ben has been jet-setting to and from the island for decades, why didn't he scurry off to the mainland to treat his tumor? Why did he wait for Jack to fall out of the sky? Is the Other medical plan that bad?

And to touch upon the future-flash revelation: Has Ben been pulling murderous strings all along? Is he some sort of homicidal secret-agent handler who makes lists of Bad People and then uses island recruits to systematically kill them? What the hell is going on?!

Okay. Deep breath.

Moving on ...

Sayid's investigation is cut short by the surprise arrival of Locke, Sawyer and Rousseau. Turns out, Hurley's ostracism was a semi-elaborate ruse to disarm and trap Team Jack.

So, Sayid gets tossed into the Other gameroom (now acting as the Bensylvania Penal Colony), where he has a brief but important chat with Ben and Locke. Ben is tied up and looks like a bug-eyed flesh wound, but his Darth Ben skillz are in full effect. Knowing what we know about their future partnership, the dialog in this scene takes on a whole new feeling. Ben is methodically setting the stage.

Eventually, Locke and Sayid make a deal: Locke trades Charlotte for Miles. Locke goes for it because one Boater is just as good as the next and it might be useful to let Sayid run amok on the freighter for a while.

Sayid returns to the helicopter with Charlotte. Miles and Kate are still with Team Locke. Sayid tells Jack that Kate chose to stay behind, but that's not entirely true. Technically, Kate is being held captive by Sawyer in Ben's bedroom. I say "technically" because Kate still has a gun and Sawyer's primary concern has less to do with guarding Kate and more to do with getting her clothes off and convincing her to stay on the island (presumably, we'll get more information on this burgeoning soap opera during next week's Kate-centric episode). Fortunately for Sayid, Jack's inability to apply reason to any Kate-related topic allows Sayid's outright lie to pass without incident.

Upon seeing Charlotte, Frank momentarily scoffs at Sayid's little Charlotte-for-Miles maneuver. But it's clear Frank has no particular affection for Miles, so he agrees to fly Sayid back to the freighter. The two remaining chopper seats are given to Desmond (who was summoned after that mysterious Desmond-Penny photo was found in Naomi's bag) and Naomi's decomposing corpse. It's surprising that Jack or Juliet didn't cause more of a stink about dead Naomi's inclusion on the helicopter, especially since there was an entire discussion about Naomi being left behind in last week's episode. But then again, maybe Jack and Juliet want a little alone time ...

Point 2
Sayid

Ben
Now we come to the future flash. As we've already established, Sayid and Ben join forces off-island at some point in the future (the timeline of Sayid's future flash isn't clear). But here's the rub: the partnership isn't equal. Sayid works for Ben as a contract killer.

The exact details of their arrangement are murky, but here's what I could gather:

  • Ben has a list of people he wants killed. Sayid is dispatched to all corners of the earth to kill these people. Where this list comes from (Jacob, perhaps? Or maybe it's auto-generated from Ben's address book?) is a mystery. We also don't know if the names on the list are set in stone, or if the list is constantly growing/evolving.
  • At the very end of the episode, we learn that Sayid is working for Ben in order to protect "his friends" (Ben's words). Are these "friends" castaways still trapped on the island? Or, is Ben referring to the Oceanic 6?
  • Someone knows about Ben and Sayid's dirty deeds, but all we know about this guy (or woman?) is that he/she claims to be an "economist." The majority of Sayid's backstory chronicles his attempt to find this "economist" by wooing the target's Berlin-based assistant (a German woman named Elsa). In the end it turns out that Elsa was on to Sayid from the start. The two exchange bodily fluids (in a nice way) and bullets (in a not-so-nice way). Elsa's shot isn't lethal. Sayid's is.
The whole backstory is a real mind-bender, but I don't have the typical bombardment of questions swirling around my mind because I feel like we just watched a late chapter in the overall story. That's why I find it so damn intriguing -- I truly have no idea how they're going to get from the island's current storyline to this distant storyline.

And along those same lines ... back when Sayid tortured Ben in the hatch armory, could you have ever anticipated this sort of development?

Point 3
Faraday Mumbling Danny Faraday spends most of this episode overseeing an odd experiment that involves a series of crazy physicist doo-dads and a small science rocket launched from the freighter (no joke). The specifics around this experiment are vague -- no on except Danny has any idea what's going on -- but there's one very interesting result from all this, and I think it will eventually lead to a massive revelation about the island's location.

Danny discovers a bizarre 31-minute delay between the time the rocket should have arrived on the island and when it did arrive on the island. I have no idea what this means, but a lot of time and effort went into this wacky little storyline so it undoubtedly ties into a much larger revelation (I hope).

Over the last two episodes, we've learned there's some sort of island bubble that delays rocket-propelled projectiles and scatters sunlight. Is the island under water? Is the air thicker than normal? Is the entire show some sort of super-entertaining cautionary tale about climate change? We shall see ...

Point 4
Island A few closing questions and observations:
  • Best Line: "Oh, awesome. The ship sent us another Sawyer." -- Hurley, referring to Miles.
  • Second Best Line: "I saw you snap that guy's neck with that break dancing thing you do with your legs. I think I'll hang back here." -- Hurley to Sayid "Turbo" Jarrah.

  • Third Best Line: "What's with the swing set? These people had day care?" -- Miles, after seeing Bensylvania for the first time.
  • Naomi was wearing a bracelet with an inscription: "I'll always be with you. R.G." Do we know anyone with those initials? Will the ghost of Robert Goulet make a guest appearance in season five?
  • A new acronym is born: ANTB -- "Anyone notice the bracelets?" It appears that Naomi and Elsa were wearing similar bracelets. That Robert Goulet gets around ...
  • There appears to be a hierarchy on the freighter: Naomi and the heard-but-not-seen Minkowski are at the top of the org chart, Regina (also unseen) is a middle manager, and the four Boaters are the grunts. Does that seem right?
  • Locke's connection to Jacob isn't as strong as he thought. The cabin he's been walking toward for the last two episodes has disappeared. Did Hurley move it with his mind? Did Jacob pull up stakes?

That's all I've got!

Be sure to drop by the "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture.

Next Episode:
"Eggtown" -- We get a glimpse into Kate's post-island life. With eggs. Airs Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008 at 9 p.m. on ABC.

Review by Mac Slocum. All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

Damn.....

Ben Linus is a sneaky sneak...

#1. Posted by: shikotee at February 14, 2008 11:47 PM

Great recap Mac!

Quick thing here I thought about: Isn't Claire supposed to be one of the Six? Desmond once said that he saw Claire getting rescued on a helicopter if Charlie sacrificed himself, didn't he?

I'd love to know if they're gonna complete the season or if we're stuck w/ 8 eps... but so far this season has been GREAT!

#2. Posted by: Daniel Rivera at February 14, 2008 11:50 PM

Thanks for the recap mac. Wow, what an episode. My head will still be hurting tomorrow. After being called Tubby, Hurley's response "Oh, awesome. The ship sent us another Sawyer." just cracked us up.

#3. Posted by: JT at February 14, 2008 11:55 PM

ANTB (Any One Notice the Bracelets?) Sayid's Berlin buddy seemed to have one too. (I'll have to rewatch to make sure.) Did it refer to RG as well?

#4. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 14, 2008 11:59 PM

Did not Elsa have the same bracelet as Naomi, or was it just me?

This seems to imply that R.G. is the Economist - the man Ben is trying to hunt down?

#5. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 12:00 AM

Was it me or did elsa have on the same type of bracelet as naomi?

#6. Posted by: up too late at February 15, 2008 12:05 AM

@2/Daniel Rivera "I'd love to know if they're gonna complete the season or if we're stuck w/ 8 eps"

Per Kristin...
(Source: E!Online)

Lost is back! Oh, wait, that happened two weeks ago.

What I mean is, Lost will be back-back, after the strike. And even better, we've just checked in with inside sources, and we have dates! Yes, dates! So, break out your calendars, 'cause we're hearing this is the approved plan:

The last episode of the current pod (episode seven) will air Mar. 13. Then the show will be off the air for six weeks and return Apr. 24 at 9 p.m.

(That Apr. 24 episode will be the already-completed episode eight, which was filmed prestrike, but which apparently works much better as a minipremiere than it does as a minifinale.)

Anyhoo, the following week, on Thurs., May 1, a little show called Grey's Anatomy returns to its usual 9 p.m. time slot, so Lost will move to 10 p.m., where it will stay for the rest of the season.

"Yippee" just doesn't do it justice, does it?

To find out what this all means for the season-four story, I checked in with my personal Jesus, Damon Lindelof, who explains how his writing team plans to squish the eight episodes of plot they had planned into only five more episodes.

"We are going to execute our full story plan for season four," D.L. says. "This simply requires a shift from high-octane storytelling to superhigh-octane storytelling. It requires no cramming, only a slightly heavier foot on the gas pedal...so, hold on to your hats. Those of you waiting for the long-anticipated Jin and Hurley Ping-Pong tournament, however, will be very disappointed."

#7. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 12:06 AM

sorry. delay.

#8. Posted by: up too late at February 15, 2008 12:08 AM

It looked like Elsa was wearing a bracelet just like the one Sayid removed from the Naomi corpse.

#9. Posted by: JT at February 15, 2008 12:13 AM

I also felt like I was watching the "The Borne lost-imatum" several times tonight.

I was almost relieved to see ben at the end -- to know that Sayid is playing secret agent to "save his friends", not just because he is in a bad mood. (although after what Hurley did to Sayid, I don't think he is still on the friends list). By the way, I didn't think Hurley had it in him to act like that.

#10. Posted by: Frogurt at February 15, 2008 12:16 AM

Is Ben also a doctor? He seems to have some medical skills when he takes care of Sayid's injury at the end of the episode.

#11. Posted by: perdue100lost at February 15, 2008 12:34 AM

Great recap Mac, I actually remembered those lines because I wanted to mention them as well! Yes, I also noticed the bracelet on Elsa. I feel like they wanted us to see that one, because there were two good shots of it on her wrist, one at the begining of the scene and one at the end.

This episode went by so fast! Can't wait for next week. There may be a way to calculate how far the boat is from the island based on the projected speed and distance. I am way to tired to do it now. Also, if there is a 31 minute delay, I perpose that it is compounding, so the 100 or so days, could be more way more or way less in the real world. WOW! What an episode.

#12. Posted by: db at February 15, 2008 12:35 AM

So....

Jacob's cabin in itself is a manifestation of sorts, and does not physically exist (in the way normal things physically exist). Again with the sand....

#13. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 12:38 AM

Wow! What an episode! Thanks for the great review Mac.

Something I have been thinking about since last week and I didn't notice anyone mention it in last episode's comments...Is there any significance to the fact that Juliet and Ben are on separate "teams." I still have a hard time trusting Juliet and I wonder if there was part of Ben's strategy in choosing to go with Team Locke since Juliet was already with Team Jack, that way one of each of them would be with each group. Any thoughts?

#14. Posted by: Christine at February 15, 2008 12:41 AM

Thanks Mac. GRAA. Let the brain fornication continue...

31 minute delay? Shouldn't the island be getting less weird as we go?

Hurley as the bait was very surprising. I too didn't think he had it in him. Especially after Locke told him my way or the highway.

Now that Kate is "staying behind" does Jack feel bad about encouraging her to go?

I continue to think that Naomi is not quite dead yet. Last week's flashback and this week's continuing focus on her "corpse" has me betting on a surprise recovery.

And finally, Ben's character is amazing. Michael Emerson is one lucky dude. How could we not see this coming, that Ben will controlling, manipulating and downright toying with these people's lives for their forseeable futures.

#15. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 15, 2008 12:43 AM

One question.

In the last scene with Ben and Sayid, Ben makes says something about Sayid needs to remember what happened last time Sayid made a decision with his heart rather than his gun (I am sure that is a pretty bad job of paraphrasing). Does anyone know what he meant by that? Was that something that has happened already--pre-island, or on-the-island (that we've seen) or something that happens in a future flash that we have not yet seen?

#16. Posted by: Christine at February 15, 2008 12:46 AM

Thanks Mac, great review as always!

Yes, Elsa had a bracelet on very much like the one that Naomi had on. I didn't get enough of a look at it to see if it was identical, though.

I definitely got the impression that Ben is manipulating Sayid into doing his dirty work through blackmail. Ben certainly seems to dislike Sayid...he was practically spitting venom in the last scene & seemed to be taking delight in causing Sayid pain (both mental & physical). That's our Ben!

BTW, Frank the Fruity-Shirted Pilot agreed to take Sayid off the island, not to fly him to the freighter. Whether or not this becomes important or not I don't know, but Frank's choice of words stood out.

Did Desmond learn to fly in the military?

Why was Sayid so solicitous over Naomi's dead body (aside from the fact that the writers were able to bookend the episode w/him closing two sets of dead eyes)?

#17. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 15, 2008 12:50 AM

Sayids' first target was Mister (?) at the exclusive golf club in the Seychelles (French - mid Indian Ocean).
Should be a clue - seems the target had a minor European accent.

Question on the single "an Economist" reference. The way my minds' ear heard it, my impression was that Ben (soon to be revealed) was the Economist. (I haven't gone to the replay yet).

#18. Posted by: DocH at February 15, 2008 1:08 AM

Excellent Episode and recap.

While this episode is starting to support my "too many unanswered questions" theory, it really was too dang good to complain. I wasn't sure if I was watching Lost at times, or "Spyid 007".

Something that may be big that wasn't covered was the fact that when Dan asked for the radio, Frank tells him to make sure that he ONLY talks to Regina, and to hang up if Mitkowski comes out of the bathroom and picks up.

That's all for now. GOULET!

#19. Posted by: The Other Other at February 15, 2008 1:11 AM

Great review, Mac! Just a quick thought that radio communication is instantaneous with the freighter and physical contact is time delayed?

#20. Posted by: a tad lost at February 15, 2008 1:16 AM

I like the honest(?) connection between Des and Frank when the question about the Penny/Des picture came up. I see these two as future heroes (maybe dead heroes).

I also like the BoSox reference. I thought Frank was probably shrugging off the Jack remark because the Sox have just won the world series again for the second time in three years - which Jack did not know. But if the island is really running 10 TIMES slower than the rest of the world, the Soxs have one twice in the 90+ days since 815 crashed.

#21. Posted by: DocH at February 15, 2008 1:18 AM

It's not so much the amount of time it took the package(rocket) to get to the island, the clock on the rocket had a time shift. I'll have to watch again to see if it ahead or behind Dan's reference.

#22. Posted by: mtncbn at February 15, 2008 1:58 AM

Isn't it about Christmas on the Island?? Lostpedia claims it's Dec. 24th.

#23. Posted by: mtncbn at February 15, 2008 2:01 AM

For a moment at the end, as Sayid walked past the kennels, I thought, "Oh no, he's going to kill Vincent!"

Amazing episode. The pieces are slowly and steadily falling into place.

We know four of the Oceanic Six.
We know time appears to elapse more quickly on the Island.
This begs the question: how long have they REALLY been gone? If a few seconds account for a thirty-minute time difference, Oceanic Flight 815 may have crashed YEARS ago to the rest of the world (but probably no more than four years or so).
Is Sayid's working for Ben somehow tied to this lucrative settlement he mentioned?
These people Sayid is killing, they know and fear the Oceanic Six. At least, that guy on the golf course did.

When Ben said he had a man on their boat, I originally thought it might be Michael, but what if it's Sayid???

@#16 (Christine): I think Ben may be referring to Nadia.

Also, I think the Economist was the man in the first flash-forward. The end of the story was placed at the beginning of the episode. Sort of like Memento.

Oh, and Mac, the pilot's last name is Lapidus. Still, great review.

#24. Posted by: James at February 15, 2008 2:02 AM

What's with Jacob's moving shack? It seems like it has only showed up in order to knock some sense into people (Hurley: forces him to tell himself it's not real, Locke: makes him stop doubting Ben and start having faith in the island/Jacob) Thoughts?

#25. Posted by: The Other Sawyer at February 15, 2008 2:09 AM

@#25 (The Other Saywer): Maybe it's an RV?

Seriously, though, we haven't seen Jacob's Love Shack since Hurley made it disappear. Maybe it's Hurley's fault.

#26. Posted by: James at February 15, 2008 2:24 AM

@19/The Other Other "...if Mitkowski comes out of the bathroom and picks up."

This proves that Mitkowski is Paulo reincarnated!

#27. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 2:33 AM

Great review as always, Mac!

Exciting episode.....ohhhhh, I can hardly wait until next week!!!

OK, I have to say it -- SAYID LOOKED SO FIIIOOONNNEEE! So freakin' handsome. I need a screen shot...or two...goodness!

#28. Posted by: amelia at February 15, 2008 3:04 AM

Good show and good review.

The bracelet will be a big deal. I think.

So, at least seven people get off the island. I think that means that the Freighter Tots chopper isn't the way off, unless it makes more than one trip.

Ben's control over Sayid makes me wonder if Ben isn't still in complete control and allowing everything to happen.

How does Kate not go to prison? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

#29. Posted by: Raider at February 15, 2008 3:25 AM

I haven't even started to read any of the content of this thread. I just got off of work, and as soon as I got home I watched Lost on the DVR. (i'm "not quite in Portland", so I'm 3 hours behind most of you).

Mac: I've never commmented on your work directly, although I have always been impressed.
But seriously, how the hell could you have processed the most WTF? episode so quickly and have written a coherent, well thought out review. Kudos to you.

I just needed to get that out. That was the best....episode...ever.

#30. Posted by: markthefish at February 15, 2008 5:40 AM

I don't remember the exact line, but the beeper that the "Economist" uses to contact Else is "old technology" according to Sayid. I think Else replied that bosses are generally old fogies. Could this suggest that the Economist is Penny's father (Charles Widmore?)? I think he's the only still-presumed-living old-fogey that we know of.

#31. Posted by: PK at February 15, 2008 5:47 AM

Best line of the episode (and a fantastic philosphy for all of us in an unfortunate and unpredictable world):

Kate : How long, Sawyer, how long can do you think we can play house?

Sawyer: Why don't we find out?

Once again, best....episode....ever.

#32. Posted by: markthefish at February 15, 2008 5:48 AM

Let's see if I can relate this.

Assume: clocks sync on launch(radio is near real time, they can talk to each other). Equip. sync's also.

At rocket land: rocket=3:16:22
island=2:45:04

Rocket time for 80miles(128km)=64s

The rocket (traveling at 2km/s) should have arrived.

Some time later(31:19) it did arrive.

The rocket traveled in real time. else it would have run out of fuel.

Time on the island runs 30x slow
the 90 days has actually been 7.397 yrs
(is this related to Vincent and dog years?)

#33. Posted by: mtncbn at February 15, 2008 6:00 AM

Re: my own #33
No... I reconsider. It's a time shift, or they couldn't talk on the sat. phone! One of em would've sounded like fly's buzzing.

#34. Posted by: mtncbn at February 15, 2008 6:07 AM

About the 31 minute delay...

it doesn't have to mean that time moves slower on the island or that time is shifted. It could be that the island is farther from the ship than they think.

Based on the sat phone conversation, the rocket took about 21 seconds to go 40 km-- thats about 1.9 km/ sec (or about 6 times the speed of sound). At that speed it could have traveled an additional 3500 km (2100 miles) in the 31 minutes after it lost contact with the freighter.

The sat phone communication has no delay, which would be true no matter where they were on Earth.

Related questions:
- Would the rocket have enough propulsion / fuel to make the extra distance?
- Would it need it?
- Did the helocopter experience the time delay? Maybe the rocket did not follow the magic heading, which is a short cut?

As an aside, I'm no expert or anything, but I would think a rocket that size traveling that fast would leave a bit of a crater when it landed.

#35. Posted by: Frogurt at February 15, 2008 6:12 AM

Another clue from the Red Sox conversation could be that the pilot made a big deal out of being from Brooklyn. Possibly related to the obituary/coffin?

Truly a WTF episode! I got up early this morning to read Mac's clever and observant review and to see what everyone else thought. This group makes the LOST experience so much more intense and fun. Thanks for always thinking outside "Ben's magic box".

#36. Posted by: Lynne the Shrink at February 15, 2008 6:46 AM

I would bring up the bracelets, but...:)

I kind of got the idea that Ben and Sayid have been in cahoots together for a long time. Maybe even that Sayid had been in with the Others since the beginning. It would kind of go along with that whole "I've got someone on their boat" thing. Maybe he was a sleeper? Maybe he's just that great of an actor. It will be interesting to see it play out.

I am enjoying these episodes, but I am getting left with an empty feeling inside.

More later...I figured out how to get around the block here at work..:)

#37. Posted by: meg at February 15, 2008 7:41 AM

wow.wow.wow.

Great observations from Mac and everyone.

I wondered about the bracelets, too, and about the closing of the eyes. Sayid was also sort of meditating before he went over and closed Naomi's eyes. Have we seen him be mystical before??

Where the heck are the rest of the Others - Richard Alpert and the gang? Are they just camped out in some kind of island limbo somewhere?

I wasn't really clear about the purpose of getting Desmond to go in the chopper. Were they just investigating the Penny connection? Frank seems to be fairly clueless about a lot of things.

Why no follow up on Frank's revelation last week about Juliet not being on the plane?

I'm wondering if Kate is officially part of the Oceanic Six. Perhaps she got off the island in another way, surreptitiously, to evade arrest, and is living in hiding somewhere. Only Hurley and Sayid have actually stated that they are part of this group. Although I assume Jack is, too, since he has had quite a bit of publicity in the front stories.

Once again, more questions than answers. I was so happy to have a new episode devoted to my favorite character! Great writing! The writers deserved whatever they got, and I can't wait to see more of their work!

#38. Posted by: equeyaya at February 15, 2008 7:43 AM

Speaking of Ben's magic box - if people can be teleported through it (Locke's dad) if the island wants it - is that how Ben could travel so much and so fast off the island doing the island's bidding?

Or was Ben actually on the island and an image travelled (like the island used Charlie to talk to Hurley and could be seen by other people)?

Also how come it was so easy for the Dharma folks to repeatedly arrive in a boat?

The others are very well trained militarily (even Juliet who arrived after the Dharma purge). Are they under attack that often or do they go "on assignment in Canada" to kill people/defend the island like Sayid?

Lastly, the time element may give some explanation for the lack of birthdays for the original inhabitants.

#39. Posted by: Lynne the Shrink at February 15, 2008 7:50 AM

Another thing...

the replay of last week's episodes had those cool captions, which confirmed a lot of observations, like the one about Charlotte (CS) Lewis. It said that the Boat Guy Minkowski shares a name with a German mathemetician - the Economist??

I don't think Sayid has been in cahoots with Ben all along. I think something happens where Ben is threatening to kill his friends if Sayid doesn't do his bidding. Ironic that after renouncing his life of torturing, he is forced back into that kind of life to help the Losties...

#40. Posted by: equeyaya at February 15, 2008 8:00 AM

@ #38-
I don't think Kate's in hiding. I believe it was in the scenes from next week's episode that it was revealed that she has become one of the most recognizable figures in America...or something to that effect. She becomes famous somehow.

#41. Posted by: RAW at February 15, 2008 8:15 AM

I also wondered about that guy's warning to the pilot (sorry, I am terrible with names). He told him to make sure he came in on exactly the same settings he used before, no matter what. So, the island is hard to reach, and you can only get there one way it seems. Didn't someone work out something with the numbers before, and perhaps these are the exact long and lat settings needed to enter a "hole in the rift", so to speak.

Is anyone else finding themselves disturbingly attracted to Ben?? Bug eyes and funny nose and all, he's got it!

#42. Posted by: meg at February 15, 2008 8:17 AM

@#29: If they're all declared legally dead, would she still have to go to prison?

#43. Posted by: TeamM at February 15, 2008 8:20 AM

Good review, except Sayid is talking to Frank Lipidis, not Frank Faraday!!!!

I have a feeling R.G Is the economist too, could it be Richard Gere???

#44. Posted by: Naz at February 15, 2008 8:22 AM

@James: Thanks for the catch on the Lapidus thing!

@markthefish: Thanks for your kind words. I read a lot of mythology as a kid and I've always been a sucker for intricate and entwining storylines, so I guess I'm predisposed toward them (that's probably why I guilty enjoy soap operas too ...).

Couple of notes:

-- I added a bit about ANTB. I should have seen that one coming.

-- I also added a note about Jacob's disappearing love shack (JDLS?)

And finally ...

I just want to express my appreciation and admiration of all you guys. Many of the old-timers keep coming back and the conversation is always top notch. You add so much to my "Lost" experience -- it's really a joy to write these reviews and converse with all of you.

-- mac

#45. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 8:29 AM

what about the guy that sayid shot on the golf course.

he looked nervous.

also if we remember the other 'recruiter' that visited hurley in his flash foward talks about helping his friends.

is one set of friends with ben and one against? (ie dharma versus those that lead the purge).

i think with reference to the time delay u do get into some sort of worm hold based on a heading. Remember when Michael and Walt left - ben gave a heading and faraday told the pilot to stay on heading - no change.

more thoughts later

c

#46. Posted by: lost at work at February 15, 2008 8:34 AM

Was Sayid's first mark, the man on the golf course, also wearing one of those "RG" bracelets? And, is it important that Ben appears to be a vet of some sort (or, he's making Sayid visit him in a kennel) when he fixes the gunshot wound?

#47. Posted by: Lesley C at February 15, 2008 8:38 AM

-Maybe Ben doesn't leave the island but his 'panic room' also has a tunnel to get to some means of transport other than the sub. We don't actually know where Sayid goes to meet with Ben at the end.

-Dan makes a very big deal of telling the pilot to keep the same bearing they came in on, no matter what.

-I thought the watches were showing time-of-day, not elapsed time, making the 31 minute difference more likely attributable to some odd physics issue rather than the boat being 31 minutes farther away than they thought it should be.

#48. Posted by: HS at February 15, 2008 8:46 AM

Mac - awesome recap as always. Your following has grown since I've been reading your blaog the past 2 years - Congrats man.

About the last night's ep. - Un-Freakin-Beleivable ! ! ! You hit the nail on the head. The Ben-Sayid revelation was truly out of left field and unexpected. But I think that the biggest reveal (maybe clue is a better description) had to do with Danny's experiment and the payload. A couple of seasons ago I had posted here a theory that I had found that claimed that the Island was somehow a nexus in the space/time continuum. The theory stated that the island sits at a pivotal point and can access the past, present, and future simultaneously. Danny's experiment demonstrated this time lapse. Where was the rocket for those 31 minutes and 20 seconds? Answer that and you'll have solved one of the biggest puzzles - what is the island.

Next week's ep appears to be a Kate-centric one - I'm dying to see how they have Kate living free and clear of her fugitive status.

Mac - keep up the great work.

#49. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 8:50 AM

Sorry - i meant "blog"

#50. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 8:51 AM

Hello everyone. First post!! I'm from the Dominican Republic, and my brother and me have been reading Mac´s reviews and most of the comments since season 2. I think this is a great blog!!!
Anyway... awesome episode!! I also noticed the bracelet thing and wondered if it was just me!! Good to know it wasn't.
To "DB" and the others that have made similar comments: That theory about the time difference between the island and the "real world" could have something to do with the fact that Charlotte's name refers to CS Lewis, because that is something that happens in Narnia and the "real world" too.
Can't wait for the next episode!!

#51. Posted by: MassielZ at February 15, 2008 8:54 AM

im intrigued by the bracelet, sayid took it from naomi and im presuming kept it, i noted the inscription on it, is it possible he gave it to elsa in the future flash? if not then naomi and elsa probably know the same person
RG. i was blown away by seeing ben in the end. he must have something incredible over sayid to get him to be his assasin.

#52. Posted by: defranco rulz at February 15, 2008 8:57 AM

@Lynne the Shrink:

Frank actually says to Jack: "Don't go there , my dad's from the Bronx, I bleed Yankee blue".

#53. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 9:08 AM

@Lynne the Shrink:

Frank actually says to Jack: "Don't go there , my dad's from the Bronx, I bleed Yankee blue".

#54. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 9:09 AM

I was wondering about the initials on the bracelet & whether they're a bit of a misdirection (misdirection? on LOST? nahhh... ; > ). The inscription starts out w/just "N," which seems pretty obvious—N for Naomi. Why would the inscription end w/both "R" & "G," then? Not that I've given that many inscribed pieces of jewelry, but wouldn't a love gift like the bracelet appears to be just have the giver's first initial at the end? So perhaps "R.G." doesn't stand for a person's first & last name, but a first & middle name, or an affectionate nickname. Off the top of my head, the only three characters who have names that begin w/R are Roger Linus, Richard Alpert, & Regina.

#55. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 15, 2008 9:11 AM

OH! I just remembered - in the beginning of the captioned "Confirmed Dead" episode, it said that the woman talking to Daniel when he was crying and watching the found plane footage on TV was his CAREGIVER not his wife. Is our Mr. Faraday insane??? or is he somehow crippled like Locke was?

#56. Posted by: equeyaya at February 15, 2008 9:18 AM

I was so freaked out at the end ("I think that's ben's voice!" "That IS BEn's voice!" OMG - how can that be Ben?" etc.) that I totally missed the dialogue b/n Ben and Sayid. I was stunned. My brain was frozen and unreceptive to all other incoming data.

So...I need to rewatch tonight after I get home from work. Oh my, I love this show!

#57. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2008 9:18 AM

Maybe someone mentioned this last week, (and please let me know if they did), could the CS Lewis reference have anything to do with the fact that when you enter one area, time keeps going (inside the wardrobe) and when you come back out, no time has changed at all (leaving the wardrobe)?

#58. Posted by: Leila at February 15, 2008 9:21 AM

I enjoyed the Sayid flashforwards this time quite a bit. His first scene on the golf course was fantastic. So out of character, yet he pulled it off...he does need to work on that swing a little though. The follow through was awful!

I was glad to see the physics experiment too. Now we know we now for sure what we've all suspected over the years...there is a time/location "issue" related to the island.

However, unlike most, I have to say, I was a bit disappointed to see Ben in the last scene. When his buggy little face popped up I thought..."C'mon Lost. You've got enough hooks and mysteries weaved into this story, don't get hokey with us." For me, it just seems like they went a little overboard with that twist, and I was almost insulted.

That said, as others have postulated, I guess Ben is undoubtedly blackmailing Sayid either with the threat of killing the Oceanic 6, those left at the island, or possibly telling Sayid that when he's done with his work, he can go back to the island which seems to be the theme for the Oceanic 6 that we've seen so far.

Oh yeah...the disappearing cabin. Didn't we see this when Hurley first saw it? Wasn't he turning around seeing the cabin in different places?

"Ben's Panic Room"

Very good Mac...very good!

As always, thanks!

#59. Posted by: petew at February 15, 2008 9:27 AM

@Leila - That's exactly what I am thinking, and the time suspension could have to do with the watches, the equipment being outdated, etc. It all seems to fit in my cloudy mind, and if it doesn't, please poke holes in it people.

It seemed as if Sayid was somehow drawn to Naomi. What race is she? black? middle eastern? I can't figure it out, but maybe it has something to do with it.

Maybe Ben isn't bad after all, and that's why Sayid finally joins with him??

#60. Posted by: meg at February 15, 2008 9:28 AM

@Leila: We have the same theory (#51) : )

#61. Posted by: MassielZ at February 15, 2008 9:32 AM

Could the man on the boat be Ben himself? Obviously Ben wouldn't physically be on the boat, but perhaps he gives orders to someone, like Minkowski. This would explain how Ben knows all the boaties; he recruited them himself. This would also explain Abbadan/Smokie working for him. Ben brought the boaties to the island for a reason and is pretending he knows nothing, saying they are bad. It's obvious now Ben wants some people off the island like Sayid and the boat is a logical explanation. It's all orchestrated by Ben from the beginning. I wouldn't even doubt if Sayid was his puppet from day one.

Also, in the last scene, did Ben not souund and act like Christian Shepherd before we discovered it was him?

#62. Posted by: BEMH at February 15, 2008 9:33 AM

-great review mac.

-last nights episode was intense, one of the best by far and i hope they keep getting better and better.

-as mac stated above and to paraphrase, it is going to be sooooo much fun finding out how all of the future flashes come together; especially sayid's.

- post#28 yes sayid was extra "FIONE" and sexy last night. is it getting warm in here? :)

- i think the bracelets will become even more significant as the seasons go on.

- i wouldnt be surprised if charles widmore is the "economist" but how is he linked to ben and why do they have so much contempt for each other??

- who exactly is the guy the sayid shot on the golf course and why did he need to be killed? did he work for the economist?? why the fear when the name "oceanic" is mentioned??

-regarding last weeks episode, the captions on the bottom of the screened mentioned that daniel had a "caretaker". i dont know about anyone else but i assumed that the lady asking him what was wrong with him when he began crying was his wife. why would he need a caretaker?? was he institutionalized at some point in his life and why??

anyway, peace & love to all :)

#63. Posted by: tiffani at February 15, 2008 9:34 AM

This may be waaay out there, but didn't Elsa kind of look like Shannon in that last scene with her and Sayid? I also wondered if maybe he gave the bracelet to Elsa but she would have wondered about the inscription. The first thing I thought when I saw the inscription: "N" for Nadia!

#64. Posted by: Rudy at February 15, 2008 9:35 AM

All of you folks talking about the rocket experiment are ignoring a pretty important bis of dialogue. When Farraday notes the time differential on the watches he also notes that it’s ‘getting worse’ and says ‘that ain’t good’. This implies both that Farraday has been to the island before and done this experiment (or he’s got access to the data from someone else who has), and that something has changed which makes the time shift worse, in turn, strongly implying that some unexplained danger factor about the island has ramped up.

I’m inclined to think that there is a connection between the worsening of the time shift and the hatch incident. That would explain why they’re as interested in Desmond as they are in Ben. They know something’s gone wrong to destabilize the island, and they’re seeking answers from the two people in the best position to know what and why.

Stellar recap, Mac. You played off the energy of the ep nicely with some serious edge of your own.

#65. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2008 9:44 AM

An interesting quote from an interview with Evalgeline Lilly (Kate): Another burning Kate question:

Who is the "he" referred to by onetime commitment-phobe Kate when she implied to Jack that someone was waiting for her at home? "Kate's kind of got her s--- together," Lilly says, "and the reason she's coping quite well is that person."

Hmmm. Who could that person be? Anyone else think it could be Ben? Sawyer? Her former cop hubby? A male child, perhaps? Guess we'll find out next week!

#66. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2008 9:49 AM

@ Deep Cover -

Good catch on that bit of dialogue from Faraday. I heard it but hadn't made the connection the way you had - I actually thought he had said - "oh no, no, no - this isn't good" - referring to the difference in times on the clock.

#67. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 9:51 AM

was it me or did it sound like Ben had 2 different voices at the end of the show. His voice was distorted.

#68. Posted by: DRALI at February 15, 2008 9:52 AM

I think that we have to consider the notion that when Ben tells Sayid that he’s protecting his ‘friends’, the people being referred to are not the Oceanic 6, but the three dozen or so folks left behind on the island. They are the one’s whose lives Ben is in a position to jeopardize.

#69. Posted by: Deep Cover at February 15, 2008 9:52 AM

@meg #60...I an with you on the Sayid connection to Naomi. I don't think the shots of him staring at her, closing her eyes, sitting with her in the chopper would be insignificant. It's almost as though he knows her from off the island. I am interested to see how this plays out.

@gator gal #66...The first thing I thought of when I saw Ben was "I wonder if he is the 'he' Kate refers to..." I think there is more to the story here too...Or the same "he" in charge of the beeper...

I am thinking that maybe Ben and Sayid's mission back "home" is to eradicate any trace of Dharma that still exists. If the existance of the island was revealed when the anaomaly happened with the hatch, whatever was left of Dharma found the island again and now has a vengeance to find Ben for wiping out Dharma on the island (hence why the boaties are looking for him...). Upon learning this, Ben knows he needs to "get rid" of Dharma completely, on the island and off. He did tell Sayid that "these people don't deserve our sympathies"...That seems like a kind of obvious theory though, right? Thoughts anyone?

#70. Posted by: Vikki at February 15, 2008 9:57 AM

okay.. here is another way way out there.

maybe ben becomes the new richard alpert, and lock becomes the new ben?

C

#71. Posted by: lost at work at February 15, 2008 9:58 AM

Anyone else catch this summary of tidbits/insights on the Boaties from an interview with the producers that ran yesterday in USA Today:

SOMEWHAAT SPOILERISH+++++++++++++

Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse reveal:

(1) Miles isn't here to make friends. He's here for something else. And it ain't what he told us at the end of Episode 2. (That they had come for Ben.)

(2) Physics can be fun. They can also be incredibly dangerous. Watch Faraday demonstrate both.

(3) Lapidus is like a lot of fans of Lost - he never takes anything at face value. A true conspiracy nut, he has probably seen every episode of The X-Files, and that's going to pay off for him.

Source: USA Today


#72. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2008 9:59 AM

Ok, I have been discussing this with my hubbie but here is my non-PHD assessment: There is some break in the space-time contingency that the island created...so when they are rescued they go back to before all the reasons they were origianlly on the plane for...Kate killing her dad, Sawyer shooting whoever he shot, Jack's Daddy issues, etc. But they know what was supposed to happen and that torments them..Cue the Huey Lewis music...I know this creates some sort of Paradigm, can you go back in time to change one bad thing that happened to you and still get to the place you left from? Wow, that hurts my head. I think that is why Ben looks exactly the same in the photo Miles was carrying,sans the groovy 70's sweater vest..So if Claire gets off the Island with Aaron, will she be pregnant, can Aaron exists in the past (future)? Thanks for letting me ramble

#73. Posted by: UsetheSchwartz at February 15, 2008 9:59 AM

Does anyone else think Regina's voice sounds remarkably like Naomi's?

Also, perhaps the Oceanic 6 are the only ones that decide to leave the island when given the choice. The "6" are sworn to silence, claiming the are the only survivors.
Perhaps Sayid has been employed to "help" protect that secret.

#74. Posted by: Marge at February 15, 2008 10:05 AM

Hey Mac - I'm probably one of the most obsessed fans of the show - I could talk about the show and it's themes for hours on end - I own over a dozen books on the show and I've always thought you should do one. There's a series from Nikki Stafford that resembles your recaps - but yours are way better and she makes alot of mistakes in her recaps, as well as misses a boatload of connections between characters.

Anywho - you should consider taking all your recaps and putting them together in a book format along with some of the better insights from "posters" to your blog.

I smell "best seller list"

#75. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 10:10 AM

the original post asked why Ben could not be transported off the island when he had his tumor... Jack actually asked this question to Tom (dude with fake beard) who says something like: "We would have but ever since the sky turned purple..." and then Tom is interrupted - He was inadvertently referencing Dez's turning of the fail safe key... the absense of the electromagnetic field has something to do with getting off the island.

#76. Posted by: John at February 15, 2008 10:11 AM

WHOA!!! HOLD EVERYTHING!!!
This was one of the best episodes yet!!!
I have a theory that Sayid and Ben are in cahoots from the time they talk in Bensylvania prison. And going back to last episode that Ben mentions he has a Man on their boat. Sayid could be that man, the time difference between the island and the boat could mean Ben already has the 411 on the boat from Sayid even before he gets on the boat or knows he's gonna be working for Ben. I know, I know its crazy, but bear with me on this. Ben can travel back and forth, so he already knows what's gonna happen 31 minutes ahead of time. So according to LOST chronology, last episode was something like 15 minutes before this one. AHA!!!! This theory of mine could almost be confirmed at the end of last nights episode when Benry tells Sayid if he wants to help "shis frioends" he has to stop thinking with his heart. Cause Ben already knows whats happening on the island 31 minutes before it happens. He even tells Jack in last season, that Jack WILL be operating on him.
I loved the way Elsa played Sayid even when he was being so "rico suave".
Two questions to my fellow bloggers out there and also to Mac.
1.What was the NAME OF THE "DUDE" THAT SAYID SHOT ON THE GOLF COURSE? This could be a super important clue.
2.Why is Sayid's hair on the island so curly and shinny and in Berlin all straight and well kept. OTHER shampoo has secret island ingredient to make it look like that product soul glo? Has Sayid given up on his search for a shampoo with such a magical ingredient in Berlin?
Seriously what was the name of the guy Sayid shot? And so far we know 4 of the Oceanic 6 survivors: Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. Ben doesn't count cause he is not a survivor, but he definetely, gets off the island. Did the rest of the OTHERS vote him off?

#77. Posted by: mapache at February 15, 2008 10:13 AM

@Mister_Grimm: I've thought about maybe doing an ebook or something like that, but I'm so squeezed for time I just don't know how I would fit it in. I *really* like the idea of mixing reviews with great comments -- that's a phenomenal suggestion.

#78. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 10:13 AM

How many questions will continue to be unanswered even since the pilot?

What the heck is the monster? Why has he stopped terrorizing people?

Another thing, I think there are just too many characters and questions and issues that need to be handled. Is that possible in 45 more episodes? I think not.

Also by the way Jack talks I'm starting to think he's been in the medical profession before coming to the island, whatya think?

I love the show, I just think the writers are in over their heads. We now have 4 more characters to develop too. Too many tangents to explain, I mean how could Jack's dad be alive if the producers say when they die they stay dead?

I'd love to hear everybody's input on these matters.


#79. Posted by: Eggo at February 15, 2008 10:18 AM

Yes!! I think the idea about the book is great!!
Has anyone read "Lost and Philosophy: The Island Has Its Reasons" (The Blackwell Philosophy and Pop Culture Series)by Sharon M. Kaye? ç
I'm thinking of buying it.

#80. Posted by: MassielZ at February 15, 2008 10:23 AM

I thought the best line was:

Sawyer:

Let's point the gun at his big toe and watch piggy go to market!

lol... had me bawling!

#81. Posted by: tommy gun at February 15, 2008 10:24 AM

So, it seems like "keeping the hatch running" was more about preserving the unusual effects of the local island environment than anything. Once the Purple Sky Event (PSE) occurred, who can say what the true implications were, as it relates to the island?

And now that we have a physicist on the island who can do whacky experiments (a *true* professor would involve coconuts as well), expect it to get deep quick, science students! The reviews are as great as ever Mac, thanks for all your efforts!!

#82. Posted by: The Duf at February 15, 2008 10:27 AM

Lost presents your world travels tip for today, people:

Hooking up someone who doesn't like to talk about their past + a city with a past like Berlin = Not good.

#83. Posted by: Tom at February 15, 2008 10:31 AM

Perhaps Jacob's Love Shack is Baba Yaga's Hut? (Yes, I'm an old D&D player) It gets up on its chicken legs and moves around. Hurley and Locke didn't agree on its location and in fact Hurley ran into it twice in different locations.

ANTB? I think the bracelet is how Sayid determined that Elsa was the person to chat up at the cafe. It was identical in design to Naomi's bracelet.

Perhaps the magnetic fluctuation which Desmond theoretically set off when he destroyed the Hatch is causing the difference in light perception (remember the purple sky?) and throwing off the rocket's tragectory. I am not a physicist so I can't say for certain. The Northern Lights are a magnetic phenomenon and I believe missles can be thrown off with a great deal of magnetism.

"Perhaps Kate gets back, accused of her crime (killing her step-father) she gives them the story that he was abusing her and that's why she ran. As a 'big' celebrity, no one contradicts her story and she gets off. She rolls her new found fame into another semi-celebrity marriage. So when Jack comes stumbling into her life she has no desire to return to the island.

→ 162. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 9, 2008 09:28 AM"
Yay! It looks like one of my predictions comes true with Kate as celebrity.

#84. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 15, 2008 10:32 AM

@mapache #77

you wrote:
2.Why is Sayid's hair on the island so curly and shinny and in Berlin all straight and well kept. OTHER shampoo has secret island ingredient to make it look like that product soul glo? Has Sayid given up on his search for a shampoo with such a magical ingredient in Berlin?

Speaking as a person with similar hair to Sayid's...off the island he can probably use products such as gel to straighten it out and give it that "organized" look; yet, while on the island there doesn't appear to be any hair brushes (don't quote me on this though). The curliness would increase with the humidity, and that ocean water.

You would think that he would simply borrow one of those scarfs from Cindy though, in order to contain those curls!

#85. Posted by: meg at February 15, 2008 10:35 AM

Best Quote EVER:
“Hurley: Have you seen a blad guy in a bathrobe running with a coconut? and....
Charlie: No, but i saw a polar bear on rollerblade with a mango.”
-Charlie Pace

#86. Posted by: mapache at February 15, 2008 10:36 AM

I think the name of the man Sayid shot on the golf course was Mr. Avelino...

#87. Posted by: Vikki at February 15, 2008 10:37 AM

@mapache #77 & meg:
Also, if Sayid uses a hair dryer it would give his hair that look. It's what I do too :)

#88. Posted by: MassielZ at February 15, 2008 10:46 AM

@ 85. Thanks meg, and i totally agree with you. a scarf from cindy would've helped immensly.
Anyone catch the name of the guy Sayid kills on the golf course?? He had sort of a Spanish maybe Italian accent. Why did was he so worried when he finds out who Sayid really is????

#89. Posted by: mapache at February 15, 2008 10:46 AM

@42/meg "Is anyone else finding themselves disturbingly attracted to Ben?? Bug eyes and funny nose and all, he's got it!"

OOMBDA
(Oh, oh, meg's been drinking again)

#90. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 10:49 AM

Is Sayid left-handed? I thought he hit the golf ball lefty.

The man he shot is Mr. Avellino. Lostpedia says that he is credited as "The Italian Man".

I await my royalty check for contributing to your book!

#91. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 15, 2008 10:52 AM

@87.Thanks vikki.
Mr. Avelino's worried ass, when he learns who Sayid is, tells us that he knew what was coming to him. There is something definitely sketchy there. He knew he was on Sayid's infamous list and that he was going to get whacked. This could all be related to him being one of the people that, we dont know why, but are trying to snatch Ben from OTHER island..... hmmm interesting. THAT could be "the list" and Benry's using Sayid to get back at them. AHA!!!!

#92. Posted by: mapache at February 15, 2008 10:54 AM

My head is still hurting after watching this EP, man was it good, as was (is always) Mac’s review. Hurley’s little con was just great.

I do have one big concern. I remember another show that had a three or four season run and was starting to get so lost and broken and then did a 180 with its story line and re-energized the show but then laid a great big giant egg at the end of its run. I hope this show has not started down the same path. Oh the show I am referring to was Alias.

I hope they don’t try and rap this up to quickly and leave a lot of loose ends or lame answers. Sorry to be a downer, but I had Alias flashbacks after the EP was over. I love this show and watch and re-watch it and will to the end.

#93. Posted by: micHael at February 15, 2008 10:57 AM

@Eggo:

So many questions have been answered since season 1 - far too many to list here, but what you have to remember is that the answers are usually subtle, the writers don't bash us over the head with them as if to say "HEY - HEY YOU VIEWER - HERE'S AN ANSWER ! ! !"
They handle the answers in a smooth way that flows with the rest of the writing on the show. Here are some questions that have already been answered:

Q: Polar Bears on a tropical island?
A: DHARMA conducted zoological experiments

Q: What made the plane crash?
A: Desmond failing to return in time to enter the numbers and causing the System Failure. (confirmed by Damon and Carlton)

Q: What happened to the DHARMA Initiative?
A: Ben happened

Etc, etc, etc. The list is very long for what's been answered. But there is also an equally long list of questions that are as yet unanswered and eventually those will be answered as well. Just don't expect to get hammered over the head with the answer.

Regarding the "dead means dead" quote - what the creators of the show said was that when you die on the island you are dead. They never touched on what would happen if you brought an already dead person to the island - ala Christian Shephard. If you followed the "mobi-sodes" - episodes viewed via cell phones and other mobile devices that were about a minute in length, they filled in some gaps from seasons 1 and 2. The final "mobisode" showed Chrstian Shephard walking up to Vincent the dog and saying, "My son is just over there, go wake him up. He has work to do." Vincent then rushes off through the bamboo trees and we see the opening scene of S1E1.

#94. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 10:57 AM

@87 - the man on the golf course was named Avellino. That's also the name of a city in Italy, though I have no idea if that has any relevance.

#95. Posted by: LostChameleon at February 15, 2008 11:02 AM

@MassielZ:

I have "Lost and Philosophy: The Island Has Its Reasons" - pretty good so far - it's a colloection of papers with a philosophical view of themes on the show. I haven't finished it yet but it seems to be a decent read so far.

#96. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 11:04 AM

I think the Oceanic Six are rich and famous because they have somehow saved the world. That old space-time continuum thing again? In the first future flash - the one where Jack almost jumped off the bridge - he was referred to as 'one of the heroes.' Why hero, rather than survivor? Their notoriety seems way beyond what the average airplane-crash-victim-who-survived might get.

#97. Posted by: jazzswimmer at February 15, 2008 11:07 AM

@96 and 92...My family's from Avelino in Italy...maybe I am related to that guy on the golf course...I hope Sayid doesn't come after me...hee hee :)

#98. Posted by: Vikki at February 15, 2008 11:09 AM

LOL @ Mac

Nice Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo reference w/ Sayid "turbo" Jarrah.

#99. Posted by: Joshua at February 15, 2008 11:11 AM

Great comments everyone!

It is good to be back and see all the familiar faces (alias' to be precise) from oh so long ago. Also kinda sad to think that there is only 5 more eps to go, a break, then just a few more (yet to be filmed) to come....

This show is like crack! We need more!!!!!

@74 It certainly seems like the Oceanic Six have not been honest about their experiences on the island.

Everyone keeps speculating that Ben is controlling/manipulating Sayid, but I can't help but wonder - Could Ben really actually be the good guy that he has always claimed to be? Perhaps future Sayid is aware of the "bigger picture", and he now willingly has sided himself to the cause Ben serves?

@77 As mentioned @76, ever since the hatch blew, Ben seemingly lost communication and transport to the outside world. Seeing Ben in the future seems to imply he has regained this ability.

Other thoughts:

- in this case, quite literally an "other thought"... Where the heck are the others? Underground? Secret hideout?

- island time shift relation to Desmond's prophetic abilities? When Dez would have a vision, how far in the future were they? Is it possible - 31 minutes? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they were all Charlie related? Now that Charlie is gone, no more visions?

#100. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 11:11 AM

ben had to have the surgery on the island, bc the island's curative were the only thing keeping him alive. if he left, he'd die.

#101. Posted by: lost fan at February 15, 2008 11:15 AM

"Also, in the last scene, did Ben not souund and act like Christian Shepherd before we discovered it was him?"

Yes, I totally thought it sounded like the elder Dr. Shephard! I thought it might be Ben, but his voice was different, like it had been altered or something. It only sounded like him again after they showed his face.

I think Sayid closing dead people's eyes was just to show that he still has some humanity left in him, despite what he did/does for a living.

So many WTF's last night. The show just keeps getting more and more complicated...but, Oh, so good! And I agree about future Sayid.....rrrrowl!

#102. Posted by: Trinity at February 15, 2008 11:18 AM

"Wow!" = understatement of the series.

Three things:

1. Mac: I don’t know how you do it. It’s truly amazing that you can take an episode like this (i.e., so incredibly nuance-filled) and resist tossing more than 2,000 words at it a’ la episode re-caps of years past. Your ability to edit yourself to only the most pertinent facts, whilst throwing in enough whimsy, pop-culture reference, and creativity to stay true to your voice is remarkable and admirable. I could never do it. Translation: I’m apologizing in advance for a too-long post here. In fact, I’ll split it into three posts, egocentrically hoping that someone might actually read all thee points. My head is spinning. Not just about the perfect-ness of this episode, but all the episodes and seasons that have come before it. How are the writers going to tie all this together? The Island Monster, polar bear(s), Dharma Initiative, hatches, button pushing, Ben’s rise to Great Island Poo Bah, the “electromagnetic anomaly,” the “reproductive anomaly,” what happened to Walt and Michael, Jacob and his phantasmagorical cabin. Now we have the Oceanic 815 Cover Up, the race between Penny and the Boat People to find this fantasy island, the splintering of the castaways into the Lock v Doc camps. Not to mention how who all gets off the island and what that means to the fractions that remain (not just our favorite castaways, but the rest of Ben’s folk too . . . remember them?). Holy Jesus on Toast that leaves a lot of loose ends. If the writers keep throwing in new conundrums they’ll need to go over their 5-season limit to properly address it all. Right?

#103. Posted by: desertrat at February 15, 2008 11:18 AM

@62/BEMH "Also, in the last scene, did Ben not souund and act like Christian Shepherd before we discovered it was him?"

@68/DRALI
"was it me or did it sound like Ben had 2 different voices at the end of the show. His voice was distorted."

I noticed the same thing. At first I thought it was Christian Shepherd and then I thought it was Christian Shepherd with Ben's accent. The producers did a good job of disguising his voice. As you listen to it, the speach pattern is obviously Ben's but much deeper. As the monlogue continues, the voice slowly morphs into Ben's normal voice. Pretty cool.

#104. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 11:21 AM

(desertrat’s second point)

2. Sayid: Ahhh, finally a long-overdue character-centric episode for our favorite Iraqi, and he gets a bit more nookie too. Priceless. BTW, did it escape anyone the perfect-ness of the timing for this Valentine’s Day episode for all of us Sayid fans? Thank you writers. But, Ben = Jason Bourne? Nah, Sayid is Jason, Ben is the mastermind behind the creation of our international hit man. But it’s more than just that. Sayid is really a pirate. He joins the Republican Guard, but really ends up on the fringes as his torture-skills develop. Then he’s “recruited” by the Americans to extract info from his erstwhile commander in exchange for “freedom.” Later he throws in with the CIA for some international terrorist infiltration duty, ostensibly to break up a bomb plot in exchange for info on Nadia the long lost love of his childhood (Remember her? Sayid does, the bracelet he removes from Naomi says, “N. I’ll always be with you. R.G.” We are going to find out in a future episode that Nadia’s pet name for Sayid can be abbreviated R.G.). Once on the island Sayid alternately throws in with Jack, Lock, Hurley, Kate and even Sawyer whenever it fits into his current personal goals. Now if that isn’t behavior worthy of a Captain Jack Sparrow award, then I don’t know what is. And I truly believe that this is what the writers want us to think. There were two POTC references incorporating dialog that was practically verbatim from Curse of the Black Pearl. (1) When Sayid returns to the helipad with Charlotte but sans Miles AND Kate and he brushes by Jack who says, “Where’s Kate?” Without even looking him in the eye, Sayid dismisses him with, “She stayed behind.” Remember when Will Turner returned to the Black Pearl without Jack after the first confrontation with Barbosa on Isla de Muerta and Gibbs questions, “Where’s Jack?” Will gives Gibbs a similar Sayid-style brush off with “He fell behind.” And, as if we needed a bop on the head with a 2x4, five paces later when Sayid presents the Jimmy Buffett-esque helicopter pilot with Charlotte, proudly proclaiming to have traded her for Miles, what does the pilot say? Another Will Turner line, “You cheated!” (Remember, in the blacksmith shop when Jack pulls out a pistol in the middle of a swordfight?) I swear. If you watch Sayid at ¼ speed during this exchange you can see him mouthing the word, “Pirate.” But really, the self-satisfied sneer says it all. And isn’t it just like Sayid to bring a pistol to a sword fight, not to use it mind you, simply to intimidate. In fact, doesn’t he remind Jack that tho he may have the bigger gun, he doesn’t wield it willy-nilly like the good old Doc would; a revolver to the face of Lock last episode being a case in point. Folks, our favorite Iraqi has turned pirate. He’s at world’s end . . . even after getting off the island he remains “lost.” Think about it.

#105. Posted by: desertrat at February 15, 2008 11:21 AM

(desertrat’s third point)

3. The Oceanic Six: I’m with you #38. I don’t believe that Kate is one of the Oceanic Six. Yes, she gets off the island, but not to the fanfare, parades, settlement offers, and Oceanic Platinum Passes bestowed on the famed Six. She (and maybe Sawyer) get off via some sort of long con involving either the Boat People or Ben. Perhaps some sort of friendship triangle is struck between Sayid, Sawyer and Kate which Ben manipulates causing Sayid to “think with his heart instead of his gun” thus landing him in servitude to Ben, selling his soul to Davy Jones, so to speak. As evidence for this claim I give you the following: (1) Sawyer’s comment to Kate as he keeps her captive in Ben’s condo, reminding her that she was being hunted by the FBI at the time of the crash. There’s nothing waiting for her back home but handcuffs and prison. (I’m sure there’s another POTC reference here, but it eludes me.) Sawyer too admits that there’s nothing “back home” calling to him either. What’s so bad about the island? There’s a roof over their heads, hot water showers. “I’m not saying I’d build a summer home here, but the trees are actually quite nice. Besides, we know the secretes of the Fire Swamp. We can live there quite happily for some time.” Or I thought I heard him say something like this. On second thought, maybe Westley doesn’t get off the island with Buttercup. Maybe next episode she cons him as they tryst in Ben’s boudoir. (Yeech.) Also, (2) I do not believe for a second that our savvy LOST writers are going to just lay down all six of their Oceanic Survivor cards, one-by-one for us, in orderly fashion, as the season progresses. When has anything about this show been orderly and forthcoming? Besides, in the season three finale future flash, the whole clandestine meeting between Kate and Jack at the end of the runway at midnight had that “don’t blow my cover, buddy” undertone.

If you’re still with me, these are my two-cents. What a bargain, eh?

#106. Posted by: desertrat at February 15, 2008 11:24 AM

@#16 & 24 - I thought Ben meant when Sayid trusted Hurley saying Locke left him behind. If Sayid hadn't been friends with Hurley, he would have been more careful. Hence Ben's comment about knowing which friends to trust. I also didn't expect that from Hurley, but that just proves Ben's point.

Also, James/24 - excellent suggestion about the guy at the golf course. I had thought it was just one more name on the list. But this makes sense - after killing Elsa, the economist would know who was after him.

@amelia/28 - I almost agree - Sayid is almost totally hot. But I got a new TV, and I hafta tell ya, those long, dirty fingernails are vicious in HD.

When I saw Elsa's bracelet, I wondered if Sayid had given her Naomi's, but then I realized the inscription would have made her kill him right then.

@meg/60 - Sayid was also drawn to Shannon and Elsa. Have you not figured out he falls in love with every woman he meets? LOL

@Mister_Grimm/75 & Mac - I second that, I'd buy it. And not just the raw comments, but a synopsis of what we speculated and how it turned out. Maybe by the time the series ends, you'll have time. I'd like a hard copy too, though.

Also:
Sayid & Ben are the only ones so far not to have a conversation about returning to the island. Do Jack, Kate & Hurley know what Sayid & Ben are doing? Do they need to return in order to prevent S&B from leaving (and then killing the remaining Dharma-ites, or whoever they are)?

Des's FFs came true, but we haven't seen Claire leave the island yet. Maybe we'll find out next week, but I just don't think it's her & Aaron. So why would his FF have been wrong on that? Or did Des lie to Charlie? I don't remember if we actually saw that FF or he just told Charlie about it. I think all the FFs we saw were about Charlie dying, weren't they? So I think he lied about Claire.

#107. Posted by: hurling at February 15, 2008 11:27 AM

If Kate is indeed a member of the Oceanic 6 (and until she says as much we can't assume she is), it'll be heartbreaking to see who else joins the group. Would it be Claire and Aaron? Or Sun & Jin? It sounds like either pair could remain on the island. For Sun, it could be a death sentence. And I also wonder, were the Oceanic 6 volunteers or were they chosen by Ben? Or do they simply survive unknown future events?

Charles Widmore = Red Herring?

As for Sayid's hair, I agree it looked great in Berlin. Now we know what his answer would be if asked the question, "If you were stranded on a desert island, what luxury item would you bring with you?" Answer: A hair dryer!

#108. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 15, 2008 11:28 AM

Sayid sold his soul.

Remember earlier in the epi when Sayid says that he the day that he trusts Ben is the day that he sells his soul? Well, apparently he did sell his soul. It will be interesting to watch the transition that he goes through and to see what he learns that is important enough to change him.

#109. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 11:35 AM

@63/tiffani & 56/equeyaya "why would he need a caretaker?? was he institutionalized at some point in his life and why??"

Michael "Monk" faraday

#110. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 11:37 AM

New thought about Sun's pregnancy - is she the first woman to become pregnant since the hatch blew up? Maybe she's safe now, but they don't know it.

#111. Posted by: hurling at February 15, 2008 11:40 AM

How funny would that be if R.G. stood for "Republican Guard?" That would certainly explain why Sayid took the bracelet!

#112. Posted by: Trinity at February 15, 2008 11:41 AM

@ 105 Expanding desertrat’s second point slightly...

This is where the brain fornication really takes hold. We've all wondered from the beginning whether it is fate, randomness or just plain manipulation that brings these people together on this island. Sayid's story points to manipulation. He becomes a "torturer", is recruited by a CIA operative who happens to later in life get hired by the Dharma Initiative. This CIA operative is killed trying to leave the island while in the very next instant, Sayid and the rest of Oceanic 815's passengers are crashing onto the same friggin' island.

Penny, take me away!

#113. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 15, 2008 11:48 AM

@110/me

Oops, make that Daniel "Monk" Faraday

#114. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 11:50 AM

Now that Miles is with Team Locke, it could be really interesting if he (as a ghost whisperer) meets up with Jacob.

Also, Harold Perrineau ("Michael") was listed on the opening credits last night, although he didn't appear on the show. Did we hear his voice somewhere?I think he is Ben's spy on the boat.

#115. Posted by: momofdjalandjim at February 15, 2008 11:51 AM

@114/115

That isn't a double post, it's an experiment in stereophonic posting.

#116. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 11:56 AM

I don't think Ben is the 6th person.

The ones we know for sure, cuz we've seen them post-island.......Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Sayid

We're assuming that Desmond is the 5th and Ben the 6th?


But, for some reason I don't think Ben is the 6th. I think Ben comes and goes to the island when he wants to. How, I'm not sure. I think the 'sub' was the vehicle to get the people there, and by doing so, that's how the people on the island think that's the only way to get off. The sub is way too slow for Ben. He's a mover and a shaker and does his thing in fast mode. So, he's got some other way to leave the island. I think he leaves after the 6 get off.


The shack has only been seen in the dark, correct? Maybe it's too early to be seen.


Mac - - - Someone asked how did you do that so quick. Maybe you have a 31 minute head start?????


#117. Posted by: David at February 15, 2008 11:57 AM

@74/Marge "Does anyone else think Regina's voice sounds remarkably like Naomi's?"

I had the same thought. Surely the writers wouldn't try to pull the old twins stunt on us? If this were any other show...

#118. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 11:59 AM

@David: You're on to me! ;)

#119. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 12:00 PM

For those whe thing Sayid was always in with Ben. Remember he went to a lot of trouble proving he lied about "Henry Gale"

Scary: Sayid is right handed on the island and left handed when he gets back. very big clue. Mirror Universe anyone?

Finally: Sayid uses the cell phone and throws it away. Seems the economist has a lot of power to monitor cell phones?

Great review Mac !!

#120. Posted by: SamFin at February 15, 2008 12:06 PM

Regarding the foks who think Regina sounds like Naomi: The part of Regina (I think) is being played by Zoe Bell, one of the stars of Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof (part of Grind House). She played the blonde stunt-woman in the second half of the film (the one who gets stuck on the car hood during the chase scene). Zoe Bell, by profession, is a Stunt Woman. Apparently, she's getting into acting as well. I saw her name in the credits last week, but never saw her in the episode... when Dan Faraday called the boat and spoke to Regina more at length in this episode, I recognized the voice as being Bell's. She is Australian (or possibly a Kiwi, I'm not sure), so that would explain the similarity of her accent to Naomi, who was Brittish. If we actually get to meet Regina in an episode, I bet we'll see some cool fighting sequences, or something exciting so she can show off her stunt skills.

#121. Posted by: Sarah C at February 15, 2008 12:08 PM

i'm not sure on how to analyse the time delay because of the dialogue during the experiment itself.

The girl counts down the delay to contact and Dan says something like it's not here.

So, when it finally arrives, if the times on the "clocks" represent time of day, then the Island is 31 minutes slower.

If it's elapsed time, then I'm not to sure what to make of it.

If anybody rewatches, could you tell me if the time line in the epi fits more with 31 minutes or nearly 3 hours before the launch and the reception.

Thanks

#122. Posted by: One of the Six at February 15, 2008 12:14 PM

Mirror Universe? Interesting.
Does anyone know back when they were playing golf on the island if Sayid first played? Second if he swung the club righty or lefty?

#123. Posted by: Lost Is Found at February 15, 2008 12:14 PM

Sayid was a lefty

#124. Posted by: One of the Six at February 15, 2008 12:17 PM

OK - So I'm not thinking it's sand where the cabin was, but ash. Brimstone, maybe?

#125. Posted by: DeskDiva at February 15, 2008 12:19 PM

@125

Sand, ash, brimstone.... who knows...

Heck - could be a Heroin Circle that Charlie never managed to sniff out!

We're lead to believe it has something to do with Jacob and his cabin, but who knows, it could be something completely unrelated and different, and the writers are messing with us.

When Hurley found the cabin, did anyone notice if this substance was around?

#126. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 12:28 PM

Jacob's ash is from an old hibachi. It gets disturbed when he takes the cabin on the road. ;)

#127. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 12:31 PM

Two things - Not key features with all that went on this episode, but worth noting and keeping in mind for future reference.

1. The moment Sayid mentioned he was one of the Oceanic Six, the dude on the golf course became noticeably nervous and passed on collecting his wager.

2. After the rocket landed and Farrady learned of the time "issue" on the island, he made a point of telling Lapidus that he had to fly out on the exact bearings that he flew in on -- not to deviate even slightly. I imagine we'll learn more about this in a later episode.

#128. Posted by: Pdaddy at February 15, 2008 12:32 PM

WOW! I loved this episode.

1) What's the deal with the dogs? Vincent can see/understand dead people, there's the dog painting in Jacob's cabin and suddenly Ben is a vet? A beagle wins Westminster???

2) Sayid's left handed swing SUCKED and no way he could have gotten the ball that close. His talents lie (literally) elsewhere. Sleeping with the enemy indeed.

3) If Sayid had given the bracelet to Nadia, wouldn't it be in Arabic?

4) No way Naomi is down for the count. She should be smelling kind of ripe by now.

Love this show!

#129. Posted by: EthansGirl at February 15, 2008 12:32 PM

Response to post 97 by jazzswimmer.
You asked why Jack was refered to as a hero in the pharmacy. The flash forward episode where he nearly jumps off the bridge. He's derailed from jumping because an auto wreck occurs on the bridge and he pulls people from the burning vehicles. This is why he is called a HERO...not because he saved the world. If that were the case i think he'd be doing more then signing autographs occasionaly.

#130. Posted by: jalex at February 15, 2008 12:36 PM

@26/shikotee "When Hurley found the cabin, did anyone notice if this substance was around?"

I heard an interview with Jorge (Hurley) in which he said there was a scene that was cut in which he noticed the ash.

***** Possible Spoiler *****

He also a referenced a scene in which he was sitting in Jacob's chair. He did not know why they filmed it and was surprised when he saw the person that was in the chair when the show aired. I wonder if they will use the footage later?

***** End Possible Spoiler *****

(Note the non-screen tipping, symmetrical asterisks)

#131. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 12:37 PM

The cabin was probably there, but invisible to everyone because of all the people that were with Locke.

#132. Posted by: marlisa at February 15, 2008 12:37 PM

Anyone find it sad that Locke fell for Ben's mind f*** AGAIN? It was the same tactic he used against in the hatch. Locke still has a chip on his shoulder about being a 'hunter'.

By the way - will we ever find out why smokey beat the daylights out of Eko? I miss him.

#133. Posted by: EthansGirl at February 15, 2008 12:46 PM

Alright Mac (and all), here's what I've got.

--equeyaya, I'm with you on the status of where the heck the rest of the others are. And does anyone know how many of them there are? Eyeliner Alpert has been on the island a long damn time, too long to just sit tight and wait for Ben to come back. It will be intersting to see what the writers do with this loose end.

--Jacob's Love Shack. The "sand" surrounding it. To me, it looks like gunpowder. Just sayin. Has Locke actually considered just following that trail of weird gray sand and seing where it leads?

--The whole time-warp thing is way interesting. But in last week's episode, when we saw the "pilot" (or whoever he really was), he still had skin and a uniform etc. If hed been there for years and years, wouldnt he be just a lil more rotten? Again, just sayin'.

--And speaking of loose ends, and I can't believe nobody else has thought of this, or bothered to post it (There's no way Im this smart...): Naomi is totally still alive. One of those crazy spiders from the "Expose" episode with Nikki and Paolo must have gotten her. Right? Why else would Sayid The Pimp bring her along on the helicopter, unless he knew something was up? Didnt he close Nikki's eyes the same way in "Expose"?? So, Naomi is just wicked paralyzed. Shes got to be. Why else would the writers devote an entire episode to two bimbos like Nikki and Paolo unless it was to clue us in to yet another wacky island feature. That whole episode (Expose) is one long loose end: Why should we care about the diamonds? Vincent the Wonder Dog knew they were still alive, bcs he pulled the blanket off of them. And At the very end of the episode, we see from Nikki's POV when she opens her eyes as they're shoveling dirt on her. The writers definitely used the episode to introduce us to those spiders, and I think they'll make a comeback at some point, if they havent already with Naomi's "death." The only problem with my theory, and I admit its a good one, is Ghost Whisperer Miles. He supposedly communicated with dead Naomi (BTW- I loved that he was interested in her on the boat because "She had a hot body and I dug her accent." Awesomely sleazy...), so if she wasnt really dead, we have to assume he'd know it. Unless he's a fraud, or keeping something from everyone, both of which are entirely possible...

Anyways, thats what I've got. Mac, keep it up man. I'm totally hooked to the blog and the posts now. Thanks??

-chopkins

#134. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 12:48 PM

@bcre8ve - OOMBDA lol, good one. It's like you know me!!

seriously though, ladies, back me up on this one. (Ben = sexy, but in a sick way)

I don't think Ben "got off" the island. I think he goes back and forth without any effort somehow.

Has anyone ever considered that Sayid's flash forward with Ben may indeed be a flashback?? The pretty girl mentioned the crash, yet which crash?? Just thinking outside the box.

#135. Posted by: meg...OOMBDA...mif at February 15, 2008 12:50 PM

JLS (Jacob's love shack) didn't show up because as Ben pointed out to L’Oreal spokesmodel Richard Alpert, you don't go to see Jacob, he summons you. Well did he tell Locke "pick up your friends and a six-pack and stop by Friday night on your why to Otherton, BA." Which is why Ben had that s-eating grin at Locke - Ben's thinking, Locke still doesn't get it, but I do, I’m still Jacob's favorite.

#136. Posted by: CC at February 15, 2008 12:54 PM

→ 134. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 12:48 PM

I thought the same thing, that Naomi was alive. Sayid knows it, and that's why he insisted she was on the helicopter going back to the boat. It makes sense as well because of the flashback, when the guy tells Naomi that she has to make sure the others come back alive, and that she's the one with the "training", so to speak.

#137. Posted by: meg at February 15, 2008 12:54 PM

Does anyone think that Miles resembles the dude in all of the Dharma videos?

#138. Posted by: toby at February 15, 2008 12:58 PM

@106/desertrat - THANK YOU! You articulated so much better than I did what I'm feeling in my gut about Kate. I guess we'll know better if we're on the right track if next week's episode is about her.

@114/bcre8ve - Are you implying a Faraday-Desmond connection with the Monk reference? Do Monks need caregivers? Or am I being obtuse???

I don't think Ben is 6 either. He wasn't on the Oceanic. Neither was Juliet or Des...

#139. Posted by: equeyaya at February 15, 2008 12:58 PM

Thanks to everybody for helping me get my Friday post-Lost fix.

ANTB... "RG" - Republican Guard? (If anyone else has suggested this possibility, I apologize for not refreshing prior to posting."

#140. Posted by: JozOfLife at February 15, 2008 12:58 PM

CLear link between Naomi's bracelet and Elsa's-they both work for the same spy or army outfit and have the same boss

Ben's group is enemies of this other faction

two companies/outfits vying for control of the island

#141. Posted by: Art at February 15, 2008 12:59 PM

Did it appear to anyone else that as Sayid approached the dead Naomi her eyes were closed, but when he stood above her they were open (he then closed her eyes)?

#142. Posted by: Len at February 15, 2008 1:00 PM

Sorry for double post....were the two timers used by Miles set for hours-minutes-seconds or minutes-seconds-mili-seconds? If the rocket was launched from the freighter, just offshore, why would it take 2 - 3 hours to reach the island? Makes more sense for minutes - seconds-mili-seconds, based on the countdown of kliks by the operator on the boat. Anyone have any other ideas?

#143. Posted by: Len at February 15, 2008 1:04 PM

@SamFin/120 - yes, and he washed his hand with snow after tossing it, as if he needed to wipe the phone print off his fingers, rather than the other way around.

#144. Posted by: hurling at February 15, 2008 1:06 PM

@-jalex RE: post 130-

I think it is evident that Jack and the others are considered heroes for whatever they did to get off that island. Jack tells Hurley he still signs a few autographs before he ever rescued that woman in the car crash. Also, the Chief of Medicine said that Jack was a heroe twice over after that car accident.

#145. Posted by: Raider at February 15, 2008 1:11 PM

Wow! I've just picked my jaw up off the floor after that episode.

Good work, as always Mac.

Just thought I'd throw this one out there for everyone as it has been bugging me for a while and this episode highlighted it for me even more.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember from a season 2 or 3 podcast that Ben wasn't supposed to be a permanent character and that his role was altered due to a well received audience reaction.

Now, I was under the impression that the main plot is known by JJ and Carlton and has been pretty much mapped, and that they are not making this up as they go along, but if my memory is correct, how much has extending Ben's role affected the original storyline? Surely Ben and Sayid's alliance was not part of the original story?!

Hopefully I've gotten my point across properly there. Am curious to know what thoughts anyone may have on this.

#146. Posted by: Lost n Confused at February 15, 2008 1:13 PM

The whole time shift thing has me stumped. If time works out much slower on the island, then how is it that Ben showed up on the island when he was a kid (1970's, I think?) and has aged to 30's or 40's? On the other hand, Alpert doesn't seem to have aged much since kid-Ben bumped into him outside of the force-field.

#147. Posted by: RAW at February 15, 2008 1:19 PM

Okay, I am guilty of not reading all comments before posting, but I just had too. I got to #38 before bailing.

I too think the payload and the time delay are very important. This brings up an observation from the pilot episode in season one. Locke's really cool scar across his eye. It reminded me of the comic book character, Grimjack. Grimjack lives at the nexus of several trans-dimensional portals. I am beginning to think the writers have read this as well. The similarities are getting stronger. I have no idea what is going on and it hurts my brain to think about this.

GRAA, mac
biggest revelation of the year....mac is hooked on soaps.....omg

#148. Posted by: onelostdude at February 15, 2008 1:22 PM

@onelostdude: It's true! Back in the day it was "General Hospital." In the last few years it's been "Days" (which explains my occasional Sami Brady references ...)

#149. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 1:26 PM

Been reading the blog since S2, but don't post much. I'm another lurker in the background. But when I saw meg's plea for backup, I had to say something. meg, I don't know. I usually agree with just about everything you say, but Ben - sexy....hmmm...not so much. Now Sayid, or even Sawyer, another story entirely. Sorry I can't give you support on that one.

Absolutely fantastic episode and Mac, as usual, phenomenal recap. I'm also enjoying your occasional comment into the postings. I was cracking up at the hibachi comment.

#150. Posted by: AmyK at February 15, 2008 1:26 PM

@LostnConfused - #146:

You're right about Ben being a short term character for the show when he was first brought on, and because of fan feedback his character was extended and given a more pivotal role. But the creators could still do that even if they had the whole series mapped out. Damon and Carlton have said all along that they've had a vision for the show and how it would end, regardless of the destination, there can be multiple routes. They decided to take a slight detour and add the Ben character. They might have had another character in mind for the leader of the Others and when the character of Ben was a hit with fans they probably said, "hey this guy's already in place, the fans love him, and he's got the acting chops to pull this off. You know what - let's make him the leader of the Others. (Buzzzzz) Suzie, call Lorenzo Llamas and tell him we won't need him." I'm sure the conversation went exactly like that.

#151. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 1:43 PM

The Autobiography of Ben Linus:

Introduction

You may not know it but I am one of the richest and most powerful men in the world. I am responsible for some well known, but also less well known technologies---some for military use. I believe I am one of the “good guys,” but I am also a liar, thief, and murderer. I have most importantly dedicated my life to saving the last of an ancient and special race of people. It was all worth it, and I am determined to continue to fight those who want to destroy my true family.

It started when my father got a job on a beautiful island in the pacific. But at first it was not beautiful to me. My father taunted me--- not only blaming me for the death of my mother while she gave me birth, but also simply that he hated me (and himself) his entire life. I ended that life. It never occurred to me that I could be so powerful, but on the island anything can happen. I once left our protected cottages at a young age. . . and I actually saw my dead mother. She appeared to me and spoke to me. Was it a spirit, a ghost? Or was it an energy left by her in my body that manifested itself in front of me. Was I just crazy? These questions would soon no longer concern me as I would have a new purpose in life. When my mother appeared is when I realized the island was special, and that gradually, I learned that perhaps I was special too. I had found beauty.

I was soon befriended by an ancient race of miraculous people that have been on the island for thousands of years. They were quite interested that someone new to the island could feel its special affects. They adopted me and became my real family. They even accepted me with all of my faults. Believe it or not, some of those ancient people did not seem to age. But I did. The Ancients, as I call them, would never suffer from disease, and if they did get hurt their wounds would heal tremendously fast. I later would find that I would not be the only newcomer to the island with special gifts or what I would call that “special connection” to the island. One man was a paraplegic and the instant he hit (literally hit) the island, he could walk. One could see the future. There was a boy who could be in more than one place at a time. So many fantastic stories.

I will explain in future chapters how I took part in a movement that killed hundreds of the members of the DHARMA initiative, a subsidiary of a multi-national anti-moral economic machine that continues to be my sworn enemy. There was a reason I kill and still kill. DHARMA’s evil scientists studied these strange natives with these great powers like RATS. When there was some resistance, DHARMA conspired to murder all of them because of their own paranoid fears. I would not let that happen. I will further explain how I used what I basically stole to become the billionaire I am today. I used and continue to use the influence of wealth to not only protect what I have, but also my true family on the island. Oh, I have my problems, and all families have problems. I am selfish and really like to get my way. I’m greedy, but I don’t want others to see it. I do seek things sexual, but only on my private trips to Thailand. And I really hate it when strangers get in the way.

Is it technology governing the islands or the spirits—God--faith? Is it natural forces governing the islands or the spirits—God--faith? Were these “effects” created by DHARMA themselves? My belief, and it’s just a belief, is that the nature of the island gave man a way to use parts of his mind he never thought possible. Shoot, maybe the island itself is alive? In any case it is quite amazing because even the mind or spirit or energy of the dead can be alive on that island. Am I the crazy one? No. I have known many natives with amazing and intensely diverse powers. A bit of it was given to me and I am truly thankful. Whether it was really my mother or not did not matter because she gave me something my father never could, to feel loved by a new family.

DHARMA studied these phenomena, but I took it away from them--- I took their technology, what they discovered and thus, my money stems from them. I made it so no one but myself or my friends could come and go from the island. I tried to make it so the Ancients would never be bothered again. I tried to create a utopian society working on saving mankind. I wanted to help the infertile have children, so many things I’ve done and tried to do, but alas, there seems to be another mystery with the island. It not only can hide, but in can GRAB things. Boats, helicopters, planes--- once caught up in these strange forces, they crash here. Some live through it.

I am determined to keep the ancients alive, to keep DHARMA away from the island. I am willing to die for it--- and kill for it. I am one of the good guys, after all.

Chapter One . . .


NOTE from the real author:

I have my own pilot script for a new TV series (that no agent at this point is even interested in reading) and of course, outlines of 22 episodes. I do dream of being a creator and executive producer / millionaire. It is about a private special education school in the Midwest that contracts the most severely behaviorally disordered youth in the area. It is called THE FOUR LOVES and it carries the themes of the C. S. Lewis book of the same name. If any agents are interested my e-mail is v628762 at the ya hoo place. I lived that job teaching (and retraining) some of the most violent youth outside of the jail system. The story has flashbacks and the characters are as rich as those in the show Lost (with maybe some flash-forwards in future episodes). These youth are part of our society that has been ignored, but there are both great and bad things that happen to these kids. Some are very low funtioning, but also street-wise sociopaths. Still—kids who deserve an education even if they get into fights everyday. In the news there are occasional deaths from physical restraints, but there are also thousand of kids who do learn and grow because of great teachers and staff. God bless them. Just wait until Autistic water boy Jason McElway‘s (the 3-pointers in basketball) movie comes out--- then you’ll see that special kids will be the next big thing in TV.

#152. Posted by: Brian VanDyke at February 15, 2008 1:44 PM

Spend 1/2 an hour and read this site. It will blow your mind. I think the author has nailed a lot of what's going on here. It also fits neatly into last night's episode.
http://www.timelooptheory.com

#153. Posted by: EvilGator at February 15, 2008 1:50 PM

Uhhhh ...

Well, I'm going to let Brian's comment stand because, technically, it's Lost-centric.


#154. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 1:52 PM

Let me first begin with a moment of silence in tribute to the man who first gave voice to our favorite phrase here on the blog--WGNABB--Chief Brody himself, Mr. Roy Scheider. See ya in that big boat in the sky someday Roy!

I wasn't surprised to see Ben controlling Sayid. When they were about to do the big reveal as to who Sayid was working for I kind of expected it to be him. I mean who else would it be? I was also extremely happy to see Ben gets off the island and returns to a position of power. He just hasn't been as much fun in his current weakened condition and I was worried they might ventually kill him off.
I think it's fairly obvious that Ben has Sayid executing members of the organization that sent the boaties. Possible Dharma or Widmore or both. Because Ben considers them to be the bad people. I think it's also far obvious that Ben is not a good guy and Sayid knows it. Sayid does not seem happy to be under Ben's thumb at the end. Can't wait to see what Ben has on him!

With the potential time differential from real world to island--could Elsa have given Naomi the bracelet? Maybe the flash forwards are in essence flashbacks and have already happened in the time it has taken for events to unfold on the island.

I am also back to wondering if Locke really blew up the sub. When someone brought it up to him in "Confirmed dead" Locke was silent but looked as if he had something he wanted to say.

#155. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 15, 2008 1:54 PM

I re-watched last EP again during lunch today on my HD computer screen (Loved it) and noticed something. When Sayid is leaving with Kate and Miles there is a shot of his arm and the bullet hole from where Patchie shot him. Later when he is in bed with Elsa and through this screen when he has his shirt off (don’t guess and of the women will have noticed this with the shirt off) there is no bullet hole. Was this an error from the make-up people or was this a flashback not a flash-forward?

He did say he was one of the Oceanic 6 to the guy he shot and also Elsa said she understood why he did not want to talk about the crash, which I took to mean flight 815. Where some of these screens flashbacks and others flash-forwards? I’m beginning to question everything I see as to when it is taking place; before island, on island, after island. Could they be putting screens out of order and when watch could be through to come in that order?

#156. Posted by: micHael at February 15, 2008 1:54 PM

@ 156 Lost n Confused

"Now, I was under the impression that the main plot is known by JJ and Carlton and has been pretty much mapped, and that they are not making this up as they go along"

I've read that the main story is mapped out but is not dependent on any one character. If a character leaves the show they can continue without the story getting off track.

#157. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 15, 2008 1:57 PM

@ 134; chopkins
You know, I never thought of Naomi being spider-bitten as a possibility here... but I think I am on board! Miles talks to dead people, yes- but all he said after he'd 'conversed' with her corpse was "They're not lying, they didn't kill her." right? Well, at the time, we thought he meant Jack and Kate didn't kill her, but what if he means no one killed her, and she is still alive? Then again, the Spider poison is supposed to last 8 hours (or was it 12? I forget), so if that were the case, wouldn't she have woken up by now? Oh well, either way!

#158. Posted by: sarah c at February 15, 2008 1:57 PM

Long time reader first time posting, mac love the recaps and I have told several of my lost buddies about it. the seems like everytime I think of something, by the time I get thru the comments someone else beat me to it ! Anyhow heres my two cents

If time does past slower on the island that might be how they plan to explain the taller Walt. If he did make it to the mainland and has hit that teenage growth spurt a year or two could mean quite a bit! Also none of the others seem to age? Richard Alpert looks the same now as he did when he first met Ben. Speakin of that ....the original inhabitants of the island seemed to have no link to the outside world until they met Ben? Their clothing and general appearance etc. But he Darhma folks had figuted out how to come back and forth when ever they wanted.

Chopkins# 134 GREAT POINT about the spiders ! they did that show for a reason now we know what ! ( I also think that someday someone will need those diamonds to finance something)

I agree Sayid knows she is alive and took her back cause he'll need back up on the boat and how handy that she has military experience and they will reconize her as one of their own and trust her. wether we can or not is yet to be seen

#159. Posted by: Katewannabe at February 15, 2008 1:59 PM

→ 158. Posted by: sarah c at February 15, 2008 01:57 PM

I dont know how long the poison lasts, but maybe she got bitten more than once? I agree, who knows... I just dont think Naomi is dead. Too easy.

#160. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 2:03 PM

On the topic of Jacob's cabin I think its just that it only manifests itself to certain people. Hugo, Locke and Ben normally would see it, but since others were present,the cabin did not show up.

#161. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 15, 2008 2:04 PM

@ 151 Mister_Grimm
@ 157 Alex (Not Rousseau)

Cheers guys for the responses.

You've restored my faith in the writers again. Knew I wasn't going mad!

#162. Posted by: Lost n Confused at February 15, 2008 2:25 PM

I thought the whole reason for the spider episode was to kill off 2 characters everybody hated in quite a hilarious fashion. Kind of as a big gift & apology to us the die-hard fans who had to put up with Nikki & Paulo for so damn long.
Saying that.....it is possible that Naomi was spider bitten.......

#163. Posted by: Marge at February 15, 2008 2:25 PM

I'm not getting any work done today.... shocking.

Sarah C wrote: "Then again, the Spider poison is supposed to last 8 hours (or was it 12? I forget), so if that were the case, wouldn't she have woken up by now?"

She may have been bitten more than once, thats a possibility.

However, it's easy to forget, the timeline on the island is really only a matter of hours. All this stuff, Locke knifing Naomi, the groups splitting up into "Locke v. Doc" (whoever came up with that, btw, brilliant...), Naomi "dying" and Daniel and the boaties landing on the island took place "last night" to Jack, Kate etc. So even if the poison lasts 8-12 hours, if these events happened at, say, 1 am, and they're finding everyone etc the next morning, its entirely possible the poison hasnt worn off yet... isn't it?

The more I think about it, the more I think I really am a genius...

#164. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 2:31 PM

@7 bcre8ve relayed:

"Anyhoo, the following week, on Thurs., May 1, a little show called Grey's Anatomy returns to its usual 9 p.m. time slot, so Lost will move to 10 p.m., where it will stay for the
rest of the season."

So does this mean that after May 1 we don't get the "enhanced' rebroadcasts?

o-------------

Frank Lapidus

- an interesting anagram "farads link up" farads are the units of "capacitance", the ability of capacitors to hold a charge. What this may have to do with the electromagnetic properties of the island I don't know.

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@38 equeyaya said:

>I'm wondering if Kate is officially part of the Oceanic Six. Perhaps she got off the island in another way, surreptitiously, to evade arrest, and is living in hiding somewhere.

>Only Hurley and Sayid have actually stated that they are part of this group. Although I assume Jack is, too, since he has had quite a bit of publicity in the front stories.

In the S-3 finale, Jack mentions he's using that golden pass thingee "they gave us" to cruise the Pacific hoping to find the island again. The "us" may be a little ambiguous as to whether it includes Kate, but it clearly seems to indicate Jack is one of the 6.

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@55 Alaïs_Longthought wondered:

>I was wondering about the initials on the bracelet & whether they're a bit of a misdirection (misdirection? on LOST? nahhh... ; > ). The inscription starts out w/just "N," which seems pretty obvious—N for Naomi. Why would the inscription end w/both "R" & "G,"
then?

Obviously the giver of the bracelet is a Southerner with two first names, e.g., "Billy Joe" or "Bobby Ray". I favor "Redneck... Guy".

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@64 Rudy said:

>This may be waaay out there, but didn't Elsa kind of look like Shannon in that last scene with her and Sayid?

In the second Elsa scene, where we see her in that red dress in profile, I thought it was Charlotte at first. But the accent wasn't right, and as soon as we say her in full-face
the illusion disappeared.

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By the way, is it Elsa or Ilsa?

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@69 Deep Cover said:

>I think that we have to consider the notion that when Ben tells Sayid that he’s protecting his ‘friends’, the people being referred to are not the Oceanic 6, but the three dozen or
so folks left behind on the island. They are the one’s whose lives Ben is in a position to jeopardize.

I agree the reference is probably to the "Left Behinds" (all similarity to a popular Christian Novel series disclaimed) but I got the impression that it was not Ben they were in jeopardy from, but the forces Ben is fighting (and forcibly enlisting Sayid to fight, as well).

o-------------

@82 The Duf said:

>And now that we have a physicist on the island who can do whacky experiments (a *true* professor would involve coconuts as well)...

Laden or on-laden coconuts?

Sorry, can't resist even a sideways MP reference. And yes I know it was really a Gilligan's Island reference.

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@98 Vikki said:

>@96 and 92...My family's from Avelino in Italy...maybe I am related to that guy on the golf course...I hope Sayid doesn't come after me...hee hee :)

Or maybe you do, if you know what I mean.

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@100 shikotee asked:

>Other thoughts:

>- in this case, quite literally an "other thought"... Where the heck are the others? Underground? Secret hideout?

In a cavern, in a canyon, excavating for a ...

Wait, wrong song. In the temple, with Richard, per Ben’s S-3 finale instructions.

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@desertrat

Paragraphs are our friends.

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Sayid and Naomi

Why was Sayid so moved by Naomi's body? More so than any other Losty. More so that even her own people? When she was alive, he was openly suspicious of her answers and her motives. Remember "Remind me not to rescue you Sayid Jarrah?"

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Sayid and Elsa (or is it Ilsa?)

Why was Sayid so sad and moved after killing her IN SELF DEFENSE!? He's heard her on the phone to her "boss" and she obviously had no feelings for him, so why was he weeping while Ben patched him up?

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Agreeing with Crispy

Rest in peace, Roy Scheider.

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The Physics Experiment

I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter what the absolute times on the clocks were. I believe they were originally 'synched' to the same time, and now they are different.

Clocks recording time at a different rate is Einsteinian physics - relativity in a nutshell.

For time to pass at different rates, either

(1) one of the clocks has to be accelerated to a significant fraction of light-speed - we're not talking normal speeds here at all. Or

(2) one of the clocks has to be near a significant mass (we're talking millions of gravities - black hole time.

Now there was some speculation that the Swan hatch was guardian of a mini-black hole, and that the button pressing had something to do with keeping it under control. There was also some speculation that Desmond's fail-safe key somehow 'dissipated - nullified - otherwise rendered safe' this black hole power source, but what if it's still around?

o-------------

Dan's warning to Frank -

"Fly out of here on exactly the same heading you came in on".

1) To a pilot, this would mean leave the island on the opposite side, heading away from the direction you came from (i.e. same heading - if you came in flying 090 (East) leave flying 090 (still East). To as non-pilot the words would probable mean leave on the reciprocal of the heading you came in on (if you came in flying 090 (East), leave flying 270 (West). Which meaning was intended here?

2) Did you notice the helicopter making a change of heading over the water? Has Frank violated Dan's warning?

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Namaste, and Good Luck!

#165. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 15, 2008 2:31 PM

Re all the comments about Naomi not being dead: I dunno. If she's not dead, that to me would be a shark jumper. When Locke hit her w/that knife, she spouted blood out of her mouth pretty quickly. Even her setting the dummy trail is skiing pretty close to that shark. And when would she have been bitten? Up in the tree before jumping on Kate? Or did Locke put spider venom on the knife before throwing it? I agree that there's been a weird amount of attention paid to Naomi, but am just not sure that it's because she's not dead.

Mac, if you ever do go ahead w/putting together a book, I'd be glad to help w/the editing (my real job, as opposed to posting about LOST ; > ) or in any way I can. You run the best LOST site on the Internet!

#166. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 15, 2008 2:34 PM

GRAA, Mac.

As always so many good points have been made.

I agree with Crispy...re Sayid working for Ben, it doesn't really look as though Sayid is enjoying it. My guess is that Ben is still spinning his little webs and getting back at folks for his own nefarious purposes while telling Sayid it's all for the good of his friends back on the island. This leads one to believe that not only are there people still back on the island, but that Sayid cares enough about either them or the island itself to trot around the globe, meet interesting people, and kill them. But oddly enough, while Jack and Hugo want deperately to get back to the island, Kate and Sayid and Ben really don't seem to want to.

When Sayid went in to the vet's office to get his shoulder plugged reminded me of the scene in Batman when the Joker went to the back-alley doc to get his face stitched. Somehow, I knew immediately when Sayid went into the back room with all the doggies, I knew he was there to get patched up and I knew it was Ben even though they tried to disguise his voice. Either that, or Vincent is one of the Oceanic 6, and been gettin' downright doggie biz-zay…

And while Sayid's golf swing was woefully inadequate, the Italian dude displayed some seriously poor golf course etiqutte. Pulling up in a golf cart sans cocktails…how gauche…PLEASE REPLACE ALL DIVOTS AND REMOVE ALL DEAD GUYS FROM FAIRWAYS!

#167. Posted by: Randy at February 15, 2008 2:39 PM

Must we bring back Nikki & Paulo?

It's like remembering a night of suffering from a bad case of diarrhea!

Quite the contrast with the new characters we have met this season - so much more excitement!

I doubt the spider venom has anything to do with it, but it certainly is suspicious that they keep showing her dead body (ie keep paying the actress, and not just a visual cheat - ie body under blanket). Perhaps she'll come back to life when the helicopter leaves the distorted island time-zone?

#168. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 2:41 PM

it makes no sense that Ben could have a hidden room jutting out the side of a small house and no one would notice the weird architecture. Wouldn't there be a substantial lump coming out the side of the house?

#169. Posted by: your linus at February 15, 2008 2:46 PM

re: Uhhhh ... technically, it's Lost-centric. Okay then.
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The Autobiography of Jacob:

Introduction

You may not know it but I am one of the poorest and least powerful men in the world. I am responsible for some well known mountain myths, and also for some less well known technologies---some for NASCAR use, some for moonshinin' use and some for just blowin' stuff up. I believe I am one of the “good hillbillies,” but I am also tempermental, a drunkard and a domestic abuser. I have most importantly dedicated my life to saving the last of an ancient and special race: mountain-folk. It was all worth it, and I am determined to continue to fight those who want to destroy my true family.

The biggest squirrel in my trap is them tree-hugging Dharma city-slickers. They rezoned into my neck of the woods and now I have to shove all my car rebuilds off the front lawn and out of visual range. Heck, no one can find my place anymore. And because that damn VW was leaking fluids for so long, they made me drop a line of oil absorbing grit around the whole place so I can't damage the pristine environment any more than I have. It was that or they were gonna call in the Feds and the EPA.
.....

#170. Posted by: ANON2 at February 15, 2008 2:48 PM

→ 168. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 02:41 PM
"Perhaps she'll come back to life when the helicopter leaves the distorted island time-zone?"

Doesnt it work the other way around? IE, its the isalnd that keeps you alive (Rose w/cancer, Ben's miraculous recovery from comlicated back-alley spinal surgery etc.)??

I guess Naomi coming back to life would be dangerously close to shark jump territory, but maybe not... the writers have done more with less. Personally, I like that actress (did anyone see the terrible Martin Lawrence "comedy" Black Knight"? Shes in that...), and wouldn't mind seeing her hang around.

#171. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 2:52 PM

→ 168. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 02:41 PM
"Perhaps she'll come back to life when the helicopter leaves the distorted island time-zone?"

Doesnt it work the other way around? IE, its the isalnd that keeps you alive (Rose w/cancer, Ben's miraculous recovery from complicated back-alley spinal surgery etc.)??

I guess Naomi coming back to life would be dangerously close to shark jump territory, but maybe not... the writers have done more with less. Personally, I like that actress (did anyone see the terrible Martin Lawrence "comedy" Black Knight"? Shes in that...), and wouldn't mind seeing her hang around.

#172. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 2:52 PM

@Cecil Rose

This would appear to be a pretty straight-forward time dilation effect ... somebody earlier posted that the countdown was 21 sec and the rocket came in with a time delta of 31:19 sec, for a Lorentz factor of about 89, corresponding to a special relativity dilation effect produced by traveling at about .99994 times the speed of light. Let's say there's some sort of worm-hole they travel through to get to the island (or time dilation due to immense gravity as you suggested), then some issues are clearer ... Alpert's lack of aging for one, and maybe even the "outdated" pager reference in this ep (could have been new technology when someone from the island obtained it for her).

There are SO many other issues that still make no sense though ... time dilation does not put polar bears with Dharma collars in ancient Tunisian desert strata ... time dilation is not the same as time travel, and does not put you back in time. Nor does the whole Rousseau thing make sense ... if she's been on the island for 17 years, then something like 1600 years of "real" time would've passed, which would put her arriving considerably before the Black Rock.

The writers very early on said they weren't doing any temporal distortion plot-lines either, but I still say they're mostly flying by the seats of their pants plot-wise. What about the smoke monster? What about the giant chain mechanism under the ground that was trying to drag Locke down in S1? I know, I know, there's clearly some master plotline in play with the Oceanic 6 and all, but I never have and still do not believe there is/was/will be a satisfactory plausible scientific explanation for many of the island's effects.

#173. Posted by: ealgumby at February 15, 2008 2:54 PM

- meg........ben is not sexy!! :) sorry sister you are on your own with that one, and if you put him up against sayid and/or sawyer he definitley loses. :) nice try.

- i dont understand why sayid washed his hand off with snow after he threw away the cell phone. i read the previous post about finger prints but i still dont get it. can someone help me out??

- i'm going to agree with those that think naomi is still alive. i was leaning that way with last weeks episode but didnt say anything. my question was, why did it take so long for someone too close her eyes?? wouldnt it be knida creepy to be walking past her and having to look at her with her eyes open?? at any moment i was expecting her to sit up, stretch and maybe yawn. anyway.... i do believe sayid does have a reason for taking her body back to the freighter and hopefully we will find out before the last non-strike episode.

peace & love to all

#174. Posted by: tiffani at February 15, 2008 2:59 PM

→ 156. Posted by: micHael at February 15, 2008 01:54 PM

I wanted to explain my theory about the flash-forward, flashback, and island time again. I believe I did a poor job earlier.

I believe we know island time, it when they are on the island. But I think sometimes the writer are giving us both flash-forwards and flashbacks within the same story line but not putting them in timeline order.

We get a flash-forward then a flashback but they appear to be from the same timeline. They are so similar they appear to be from the same story but are in fact different stories from this person complete story line. Does this make sense or have I just watched too much Lost and have completely gone off my (Jakob’s) rocker.

#175. Posted by: micHael at February 15, 2008 3:00 PM

@ 164 chopkins

Totally agreed. I didn't want to bring up the spiders (see my post #15) but now that you have mentioned them it makes a lot of sense. That said, I disagree that Sayid knows she's alive. Unless he has different ghostbusting abilities that we're not aware of.

@ 165 Cecil Rose

"Laden or on-laden coconuts?"

Monty Python references are always appreciated. After all Naomi is "not quite dead yet".

@ 167 Randy

"PLEASE REPLACE ALL DIVOTS AND REMOVE ALL DEAD GUYS FROM FAIRWAYS!"

Such poor etiquette indeed. Hilarious!!!!

#176. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 15, 2008 3:01 PM

Last episode Miles said that it wasn't Naomi 'just a piece of meat'. That implies that her soul has left her body.

Meg - If I can think Ethan is hot (actually I like the actor - he's a total sweetheart) then you can dig Ben. I see the appeal but he should be taller.

#177. Posted by: EthansGirl at February 15, 2008 3:05 PM

My guess since Sayid is so interested in the bracelet, the initials R.G. stands for "Republican Guard".

The 31 minute delay indicates things on the island move slower or time is slower on the island than the outside world. It explains why Walt appears taller because he's grown up in the real world already.

Jack says he hasn't watched baseball in a year. I was expecting Frank to say something in the lines of "A year? It's been 2 years" but then that would have spoiled everything and made it too easy.

#178. Posted by: Mike L at February 15, 2008 3:06 PM

@ 177 EthansGirl
"Last episode Miles said that it wasn't Naomi 'just a piece of meat'. That implies that her soul has left her body."

Unless Miles is covering something up? We already know he's a shady character (ghost whispering for profit.. how dare he!) If shes just a piece of meat, like he says, why carry her body around the jungle all day as, literally, dead weight??

I'm annoying myself responding to responses of my own theories. But I cant help it. Sorry. It beats working on a Friday before a long weekend...

#179. Posted by: chopkins at February 15, 2008 3:11 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought: Thanks! Don't be surprised if I take you up on that offer!

#180. Posted by: mac at February 15, 2008 3:14 PM

@tiffani #174 -

Sayid washing his hand with the snow after ditching the cell phone had nothing to do with fingerprints. It had to do with the icky feeling of having held something that transmitted the voice of someone he despises. He was cleaning his hand because it felt dirty from holding a phone while talking to Ben.

#181. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 3:21 PM

Citizens of Mac-ville, buckle up before reading this Real World "Lost" moment that happened to me today:

I was installing new software this afternoon. During the installation, the radio station in the office gave the time: 12:50. I looked at the computer's clock: it read 12:41. I first thought that the computer clock froze because of the installation software loading, but no, it clicked ahead. When the radio next told the time, 12:56, the computer clock read 12:45. In the course of 6 minutes, the computer clock "lost" another 2 minutes to become 11 minutes behind real world time. When the installation finished, After I restarted the computer; the computer clock read exactly the same time as the radio.


#182. Posted by: welh at February 15, 2008 3:24 PM

Does anyone recall the Dharma tape with the rabbit marked with a "15" and the freak-out that ensued when another identical #15 rabbit drops in...the scientist demands to shut the camera off and they are all screaming that the 2 rabbits cannot be in the same place at the same time. Implication: Something will go terribly wrong if they do. This would hint that there are doubles of people. Maybe the OCEANIC 6 are actually off and on the island... (Hmmmm- 2 Sawyers...more to go around...lol..Sorry, I digressed). Maybe Naomi is still on the boat? Maybe there are 2 Sayids, etc.

#183. Posted by: Barbara at February 15, 2008 3:26 PM

@Barbara #183 -

You're refering to the "Orchid" training video. I've been meaning to bring it up but kept silent for fear that others hadn't seen it and I would spoil something. But know that you bring it up, the video is a great peice of evidence to support the theory of the Island existing as a nexus in space in time. They were shooting the training video when there was an incident. This incident caused the same rabbit to be pulled into the room from another period in time or from an alternate universe. Either one is possible if the island is a nexus in space/time. Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time - a fairly simple fact of physics. If i'm standing in a particular location you wouldn't be able to occupy that same space until after I had moved. But, if two objects that were identical, on a molecular level because they are in fact the same but existing in different universes, were to come into contact with each other the theory states that they would cancel each other out while releasing a tremendous amount of energy. Think matter/anti-matter.

#184. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 3:42 PM

re: Orchid video

Just did a google search and watched it on You Tube.

When was this released, and where?

Is this something we will encounter later in the show, or is it something they tossed to hype up the internet community?

#185. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 3:55 PM

@shikotee #185:

Not sure when it was released - I came across it in late summer, early fall 2007. It has been included in the Season 3 Blu-Ray Disc set, which I own and re-watched in one 24 hour sitting, and gives it the official stamp of the show's creators.

#186. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 4:00 PM

Re: Orchid Video

I went to You Tube to check out the Orchid Video. While I was watching, I noticed it seemed to flash other images. I was able to pause it at 2.02 and saw something very interesting, and a bit creepy.

#187. Posted by: Raider at February 15, 2008 4:04 PM

Sorry. I paused it at 1:09 into the 2:02 video. Check it out.

#188. Posted by: Raider at February 15, 2008 4:07 PM

@Raider #187:

Did you catch the fram at 1:09?

It's from the brainwashing video Karl was watching - "God loves you as he loved Jacob".

#189. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 4:08 PM

Faraday's experiement said that there was an inconsistency between the two clocks. It was 31 minutes. 3+1 = 4, while 15+16=31 and 23+8=31.

Anyone else notice "the numbers" in here?

#190. Posted by: ANTP? at February 15, 2008 4:08 PM

2:02 is the length of the whole thing!

1:09 - there is a message.

Around 1:42 is upside-down footage that looks like Otherville, with cyclist?

#191. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 4:12 PM

@welh/182 - Sorry to disappoint you, but computers - PCs at least - tend to do that frequently. You and your computer are still in the same continuum.

#192. Posted by: hurling at February 15, 2008 4:25 PM

Elsa said her boss was very old-fashoned. Could it be Jacob???
Jacob got pissy when Locke used the flashlight and Ben said he didn't like technology.
Could Ben have turned against Jacob and be hunting down his followers?
Seems odd the writers would add that Elsa part in without a reason.

Just thinkin' aloud.


#193. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:29 PM

Elsa said her boss was very old-fashoned. Could it be Jacob???
Jacob got pissy when Locke used the flashlight and Ben said he didn't like technology.
Could Ben have turned against Jacob and be hunting down his followers?
Seems odd the writers would add that Elsa part in without a reason.

Just thinkin' aloud.


#194. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:29 PM

Elsa said her boss was very old-fashoned. Could it be Jacob???
Jacob got pissy when Locke used the flashlight and Ben said he didn't like technology.
Could Ben have turned against Jacob and be hunting down his followers?
Seems odd the writers would add that Elsa part in without a reason.

Just thinkin' aloud.


#195. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:30 PM

Elsa said her boss was very old-fashoned. Could it be Jacob???
Jacob got pissy when Locke used the flashlight and Ben said he didn't like technology.
Could Ben have turned against Jacob and be hunting down his followers?
Seems odd the writers would add that Elsa part in without a reason.

Just thinkin' aloud.


#196. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:31 PM

Elsa said her boss was very old-fashoned. Could it be Jacob???
Jacob got pissy when Locke used the flashlight and Ben said he didn't like technology.
Could Ben have turned against Jacob and be hunting down his followers?
Seems odd the writers would add that Elsa part in without a reason.

Just thinkin' aloud.


#197. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:32 PM

Sorry, I mean the scene where Sayid takes her pager and comments on how there's newer technology.

#198. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:34 PM

@139equeyaya
re:@114/bcre8ve - Are you implying a Faraday-Desmond connection with the Monk reference? Do Monks need caregivers? Or am I being obtuse???

I believe the 'monk' reference can be credited to the simple 'anal retentive' similarities between Daniel Faraday and the unique Adrian Monk.

#199. Posted by: JT at February 15, 2008 4:38 PM

looks like castaway got stuck in the island's time loop. j/k ;-)

#200. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 4:39 PM

@castaway - Actually, I believe you've contradicted yourself. 5 times. Jacob doesn't like technology AT ALL. So an "old-fashioned" pager (which to use, might be 2 yrs old) is still unacceptable.

#201. Posted by: hurling at February 15, 2008 4:44 PM

@185 shikotee asked

>re: Orchid video

>When was this released, and where?

Lindelof premeiered it at the San Diego ComicCon in September (always a major congregation of Lost fans). "Rachel Blake" showed up their and challenged the "Lost" panel memer to 'tel the truth' as part of the Lost Experience between S-2 and S-3.

It's also on the S-3 DVD set, Probably we won't see it in the series, but who knows?

#202. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 15, 2008 4:46 PM

This show is certainly a challenge, especially when sifting through all the red herrings the writers love to toss our way. While it is no doubt exciting and fun to scrutinize and read into every aspect of this show(i'm guilty), i find it ridiculous that people are actually questioning the significance of Sayid grabbing the snow after tossing the phone in the trash. Funny stuff!

#203. Posted by: jalex at February 15, 2008 4:46 PM

Just by the way, Sayid said to Locke about Ben, "The day I start trusting him will be the day I've sold my soul." Which means .....

Sayid sold his soul!

{Cue sad music}

#204. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:46 PM

Maybe if the need was there, Jacob would allow for some technology, but would try to keep it restricted. I dunno.

I kinda wrote that as I was thinking of it

It would be pretty awsome though if it were true, a Ben-Jacob war!

#205. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:51 PM

@Jalex:

Guilty as charged - I was only trying to put the scene in context for someone that had mentioned he was wiping for prints. Obviously that scene makes sense when we find out at the end that he's talking to Ben. I think it also helps to set-up the fact that Sayid is a reluctant participant in Ben's plan.

But you're right - I do tend to analyze and scrutinize every scene possible for clues and significance.

#206. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 15, 2008 4:51 PM

Maybe if the need was there, Jacob would allow for some technology, but would try to keep it restricted. I dunno.

I kinda wrote that as I was thinking of it

It would be pretty awesome though if it were true, a Ben-Jacob war!

#207. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 4:52 PM

i like Barbara's idea about their being two sawyers, two syeds etc as this the video highlights the time space thing, maybe syeds doing the work to save his other self and buddies!

#208. Posted by: adam at February 15, 2008 4:54 PM

@Mister Grimm

I think it's great. The writers must love it! All this collective brain power focused on the smallest details of a tv show. Imagine if we gatered in a room to solve the worlds problems. ...Just not on Thursday nights.

#209. Posted by: jalex at February 15, 2008 4:59 PM

Forget the 31 minute head start. I think Mac has "flash-forwards" and he actually writes the reviews before the show even starts. You are totally awesome, Mac. But (woman to woman) I can't agree w/all the ladies who think Sayid is hot: eeeuuuuu. And speaking of Sayid: even if he's not a REAL golfer, c'mon - throw that golf bag over your shoulder like a man; don't carry it like a suitcase. Now that I have the trivial stuff out of the way, I can go back to reading these wonderfully articulate and intelligent blogs. Thank you, Mac, for creating such a great forum.

#210. Posted by: lovelost at February 15, 2008 5:09 PM

You know what else I'd like to see as a future story? The island. Will we get to see the Island in the future, those that were left behind?

#211. Posted by: Daniel Rivera at February 15, 2008 5:22 PM

Ben needs to remember the good slogan from Vegas, What happens on the island, stays on the island. His vengenence is great!!!

#212. Posted by: Lost Is Found at February 15, 2008 5:27 PM

@ 168 shikotee
I agree, and I think Sayid is conducting his own experiment on the island's effects. Maybe he believes that maybe she could come back or perhaps what happens on the island is only real within that microcosm.

@ 165 Cecil Rose
There's a penguin on top of the television set.

@ meg
Sorry, sister, I have to agree with the rest that BenBug is just not sexy. Sawyer? YES! Jack of all Whines? No. Sayid? Not when he spends more time on his hair than I do.

I'm loving Lost and this smart group of devoted fans.

Mac - come back to the "Hospital"!

#213. Posted by: Lost in Love (and I know why) at February 15, 2008 5:34 PM

The powder around Jacob's Love Shacks supposed location reminds me of the movie The Skeleton Key. The movie is about voodoo, but in one part of the movie Kate Hudson uses brick dust around all of her windows and doors - it is supposed to keep anyone who means to do you harm out. I wonder if if there is something of the opposite that traps people - that the gun powder or gray sand is meant to keep Jacob in. That is why he asks Locke to "help him".

Also, my two cents - I think that Naomi is dead. Even if she was bitten by a crazy coma inducing spider I think that getting knifed in the back and walking around the island bleeding would be enough to kill her. Besides, why would she give the code about her sister unless she was about to die?

#214. Posted by: agunther at February 15, 2008 5:37 PM

This episode got me thinking about ley lines and vortexes again. I can't remember if those theories were disproven in season's past blogs? If not, it would explain so much! The physicist, the electro-magnetic properties of the island, the healing effects. Was anyone else curious as to why Team Jack didn't think to ask Faraday about his experiments and why the freighter would send a physicist out to the island? Aren't they curious about Smokey and all the crazy things that happen on Mystery Island? I think the vortex theory might even explain Smokey...

#215. Posted by: lostlova at February 15, 2008 5:43 PM

Okay, go with me here. The problem with Daniel's experiment isn't time... it's space.

Hypothesis: That the island and immediate surroundings are highly compressed with respect to normal space.

To give an analogy, from the outside, the island looks like a snowglobe (well, maybe a few meters wide), while from the inside it's massive - tens of kilometers wide.

Why does this apply? When Daniel F hammers his doodah in to the ground, the freighter gets a fix on it.

If the hypothesis is correct, then their 'fix' will be somewhere within the snowglobe - an area only tens of meters wide.

They then fire a rocket. Presumably the rocket has a tracking device built in so it can course correct itself.

The freighter (several kilometers away) tracks the rocket, and at some time they say, "It's right on top of you!". And indeed, to the freighter, it would appear the rocket was within a few meters of the doodah.

But it isn't. In fact it takes another 31 minutes to reach Daniel F. This is because the rocket has passed from R-Space (real space) to I-Space (Island space) - it has entered the snowglobe. As far as the tracking system in the rocket is concerned, there are still tens of kilometers to go. To the freighter, the rocket may move a few meters in 31 minutes; to Daniel Faraday, it moves many miles.

This interpretation can also help to explain the importance of headings. The snowglobe analogy suggests a spherical boundary to I-Space. This need not be the case; the boundary could be more like a polar plot of 1 + cos(theta), giving a channel of entry in one direction.

#216. Posted by: Danny at February 15, 2008 6:26 PM

@165 Cecil Rose...I wouldn't mind if Sayid was after me, but I would much rather the good doctor, whiny or not ;)

Going to go watch that orchid video...

#217. Posted by: Vikki at February 15, 2008 6:32 PM

@agunther
Or, the sand keeps people who mean him harm out, too: Charlotte. Locke may not, but Charlotte might.

#218. Posted by: castaway at February 15, 2008 6:43 PM

Mac, you gotta be kidding me. The absolutely BEST line so far for this season was.

"In case you were zoned out tweezing your goatee, one of these yahoos took Charlotte with her" I practically laughed my *** off. It was hilarious.

#219. Posted by: Mr. Cube at February 15, 2008 6:49 PM

Quick addition to my post 216.

The boundary between I-space and R-space could not be a surface - rather there would have to be an volume over which a smooth continuous transformation between I- and R-space is performed.

#220. Posted by: Danny at February 15, 2008 6:49 PM

@139equeyaya "re:@114/bcre8ve - Are you implying a Faraday-Desmond connection with the Monk reference? Do Monks need caregivers?"

@199/JT I believe the 'monk' reference can be credited to the simple 'anal retentive' similarities between Daniel Faraday and the unique Adrian Monk.

Definitely an Adrian Monk reference. Monk, in addition to his anal retentiveness, is under the service of a caregiver.

#221. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 15, 2008 6:50 PM

is it just me or am i sensing locke and hurley tensions?

competing for jacobs affections anyone?

#222. Posted by: obilocke at February 15, 2008 6:52 PM

Hey, a little late but I just saw that Orchid video. Real interesting!! Just when I was starting to think: "this is boring" happened the incident with the bunny outside the cage!! Nice!

#223. Posted by: MassielZ at February 15, 2008 7:06 PM

MAC, you are THE MAN.
Just a few thoughts: I agree with a few people who think Naomi is still alive. Will bringing her back to the freighter alter her timeline? I also think Richard & the Other-Others went to "the temple". But where are the children who were taken? I still remember creepy-but-cute Goodwin saying that the kids were fine. I don't remember having seen them.
Meg: I too, am strangely attracted to Ben, but Sayid should be wrapped up with a bow and left on my front porch.
Gwen

#224. Posted by: Gwen C. at February 15, 2008 7:14 PM

Great Episode, Great Re-Cap MAC. Here's my thoughts:

In regards to Sayid's leftie/rightie scenario I found this interesting. Sayid is clearly right handed on the island, he even wears his watch on his left wrist, as does he playing golf. Yet he swings like a leftie. The Iatlian man as well wears a watch on his right wrist (showing that he's left handed) yet he swings as a rightie. WTF?

When it comes to Naomi I really think we'll see more of her. Traditionally in show format, people get buried pretty soon after dying, yet the show keeps our focus on her corpse. Also I noticed that her eyes were closed at the beginning of the episode but open when Sayid is there. Spider bite? Could be, and I think that would be clever, but either way I think we will be seeing more of Naomi alive, whether it be in flashback/forward or by some miracle. Plus she's got a great body and a hot accent.

Dan Faraday is my favorite addition to the cast. I know a lot of people think he's quirky, but we need that. There's always elements of men of science and men of faith, but we need more men of science (Artz was one, but...). Also Dan’s very passive and I think that's good as everybody else seems to be so uptight. Hopefully Daniel's antics and experiments will open some answers to scientific facts about the island. Plus his acting and delivery is superb.

The big reveal at the end was great as it shows that we no longer have to wonder if Ben will die each time Sawyer or Locke or Jack or anyone threatens to kill him. Plus how it’s all going to play out from point A to point C… well point B is going to be awesome.

Looking forward to the next four episodes, but not the 6 week break before the final 6 episodes, though I am very relieved that they will at least finish the season proper as they had originally planned before summer (albeit 2 episodes short, for which they said they will just condense the episodes, essentially giving us more bang for our buck) Also I really hope good old smokey makes an appearance before the break… hopefully in front of a freightie (freighter tot).

Favorite MACisms
“Ben has amassed quite a collection of international funds -- and a big stack of passports.
Ben = Jason Bourne.”
&
“Is the Other medical plan that bad?”

#225. Posted by: callaway76 at February 15, 2008 7:26 PM

Great recap as always. This show...I don't know....I'm not digging it this season so far. I know, I know...I'll give it some time.....but honestly the whole Ben thing at the end....kinda ridiculous....of course, I take producers at there word that the Ben character was originally conceived for a few episodes, then due to popularity they kept him around. Well if they pitched the entire "uber-plot" to the network at the start of this whole thing....Ben would not have been involved...I don't know how he could not be part of the uber-plot now. It just seems like next episode in the Kate flash-forwards she will be talking to psychiatrist or getting a pap smear or at a confessional and the last 2 minutes...we found out she's talking to....wait............Ben. Maybe I'm just cranky.

#226. Posted by: Diggler at February 15, 2008 7:44 PM

let's just clarify one thing. There's been a lot of talk that Micheal is ben's "man on your boat". HES NOT. Of course, there's no way of knowing for sure, but I'm pretty sure about this one.

I think it may be Charlotte. Ben tried to shoot her because he doesn't like anyone on his team having power over him. Also, maybe that's how he knew so much about her.

I don't know. Post what you guys think!

#227. Posted by: forever_lost at February 15, 2008 7:51 PM

Just found this Blog recently and have been enjoying it. You guys give me more to think about than I think about. Found LOST last year and have been trying to catch up at the Video store so I could finally watch it in real time. How exciting and frustrating this is!!!!!

I thought that the flash forward seemed to turn into a flash back also as someone said, but need to watch it again. Not sure what made me think that....Maybe they are mixing them. Could Sayid have been working with Ben from before the island? I have to rewatch and listen to everything he says to Ben. Somebody stop me, please.

Also, Just watched the first season again with hubby to catch him up. Remember the 2 bodies in the cave with the spring? No sign of murder, just natural death and Jack finds 2 stones, one black, one white. He puts them in hos pocket and tells no one. Kate was there then so she knows. I thought at the time. I bet that is them - Jack and Kate in the future. I didn't read the time loop theory yet, but that would explain how Ben knows everything. he's been there before.

#228. Posted by: Berkyo at February 15, 2008 8:33 PM

@Danny #'s 216/220

So in a world such as your describing, wouldn't the conversations on the satellite phones experience some sort of delay as well. Currently, there is not, but I suspect that there should be.

Obviously, it could just be producer oversight.

#229. Posted by: petew at February 15, 2008 8:38 PM

@ 226 Diggler

"I take producers at there word that the Ben character was originally conceived for a few episodes, then due to popularity they kept him around."

Ben was supposed to be middle management but was so good he wound up being the boss!

#230. Posted by: Alex ( Not Rousseau) at February 15, 2008 9:17 PM

@225 callaway76

I totally agree - it is great to have a scientist! Now if only he would make something with coconut shells...

@226 Diggler

Why are you letting "Ben in the grand scheme" bug you? I guess I feel quite the opposite - I am impressed with how they expanded the character, considering he was only supposed to be middle management!

If not him, it would have been some other leader we would have met, and would have found out that he had means to be off the island in some form or another.

Kudos to the writers for building on something that works. Yikes! Imagine if the grande scheme was dependent on Paulikki? It would have been yuk to sit through 3 more seasons of them!

The flash-forwards have been very refreshing, as flashbacks were getting very stale (how much more background do we really need!!). It will be very interesting to see where the writers go with this - will the season end with the oceanic six leaving? Will the show resume with some of them (if not all) returning, and then exploring what has happened on the island since they have been gone? Very exciting!

#231. Posted by: shikotee at February 15, 2008 10:15 PM

Geez, I can't believe the number of posts today during working hours. Come on people, the economy needs our help! We must be productive and keep working! I need to keep working! It was all I could do to keep up with the posts and still get a few things done.

#232. Posted by: Frogurt at February 15, 2008 10:32 PM

Anyway,

@220 Danny and 229 Petew

I like that compressed space idea.

@ 229 Petew
"So in a world such as your describing, wouldn't the conversations on the satellite phones experience some sort of delay as well. Currently, there is not, but I suspect that there should be."

The rocket would travel another 3500 km in 31 minutes at the speed it was going. That distance would not produce much of a delay for a satelite transmission.

--Time shift / slowdown theory

I just don't see a shifted or slowed time theory working. How do you explain the sat phone conversations?

#233. Posted by: Frogurt at February 15, 2008 10:42 PM

I am completely missing why people think Daniel is OCD. Daniel does not appear to be OCD at all. He is a very focused scientist, fairly oblivious to details extraneous to his immediate concern. He has not shown any ritualistic behaviors involving washing, touching things, evening things out, repetitiveness or other classic OCD activities. Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder is not an umbrella term for quirkiness.

And Frogurt - I usually put in a lot of overtime. Today was a very slow day, my boss was out, and we got let out early for the long weekend. I was happy to have a rare opportunity to waste time!

#234. Posted by: hurling at February 15, 2008 10:52 PM

RE:An interesting quote from an interview with Evalgeline Lilly (Kate): Another burning Kate question:

Who is the "he" referred to by onetime commitment-phobe Kate when she implied to Jack that someone was waiting for her at home? "Kate's kind of got her s--- together," Lilly says, "and the reason she's coping quite well is that person."

Hmmm. Who could that person be? Anyone else think it could be Ben? Sawyer? Her former cop hubby? A male child, perhaps? Guess we'll find out next week!


→ 66. Posted by: GatorGal at February 15, 2008 09:49 AM

I read an interview with Kristin from E Online. Evangeline Lilly guessed that "He" was either Sawyer or a child, and Kristin from E confirmed that from a conversation she had with JJ Abrams. I also found a hidden spoiler that stated who the "Oceanic Six" were. Way to spoil it for myself!

#235. Posted by: Ailsa at February 15, 2008 10:54 PM

I read an interview with Kristin from E Online. Evangeline Lilly guessed that "He" was either Sawyer or a child, and Kristin from E confirmed that from a conversation she had with JJ Abrams. I also found a hidden spoiler that stated who the "Oceanic Six" were. Way to spoil it for myself!

#236. Posted by: Ailsa at February 15, 2008 10:56 PM

R.G. on the bracelet - Regina Goodspeed. Horace Goodspeeds daughter. A few years younger than Ben, survived the Purge, protected by Ben - currently Bens' "Man" on the boat. She is the loyal spy and the downfall of Naomi and the freighter tots.

#237. Posted by: DocH at February 15, 2008 11:58 PM

how is this whole flash forward thing goint to work out in the long run? after they reveal all of the six(were already at 4) the rest of the series will be about Ben playing mob boss. thats gotta get old at some point, right?

i think that the only way that sawyer wont follow kate off the island is if he dies before he gets the chance too. i know that its cheesey, but its the whole sawyer-kate love story thing that the producers wont let end without a HUGE bang. sawyer either dramatically is killed by the Bensylvanian mofia, or follows kate into the sunset.

theres some sort of corporation behind the frieghter and i think that its the same corporation that Ben sends Sayid to kill people from. why else would Naomi and Elsa have the EXACT same type of bracelet??

#238. Posted by: Kaseygirl106 at February 16, 2008 12:27 AM

To all looking for some conspiracy to Spyid swinging a club left-handed, let me put this to rest. There are a ton of right-handed people that bat, swing a golf club, bowl, etc... lefty. That is nothing unusual.

I was really hoping to get some closure on the note that Aquachuck gave Des. I realize that it's a small thing, but to devote a whole episode to him making the list and ignoring it just seems odd. At the very least we need to see someone find the ring at some point. How else will they summon Captain Planet to fly them all off the island to safty. Well...at least six of them anyways.

The biggest question in the Lost universe was finally answered this week, thank goodness. What question was that you ask? How has Vincent stayed alive all this time? Answer: With the help of his good friend, Benjamin Linus, Pet M.D.

#239. Posted by: The Other Other at February 16, 2008 12:51 AM

I don't think Naomi is dead. Several people on the island have had what would normally be fatal injuries only to miraculously recover. However, none of them actaully "died". I like the spider theory though. She'll be back.

I too thought the person at the vet office was Jack's dad. Where did Ben get the medical skills?

I read somewhere (probably here) that the writers are Star Trek fans. So the whole space/time continuum thing is not surprising.

I like the idea that the Oceanic 6 go back in time when they are rescued. So maybe Jack's dad is still alive and Kate never killed her step-dad. Just a thought.

#240. Posted by: Naomi_aint_dead at February 16, 2008 1:30 AM

@229 & 233

Frogurt is absolutely right - the extra distance the EM signals would have to travel would produce a time difference of around a thousandth of a second.

Incidently, Frogurt has caught something I missed - namely that the countdown tells us the speed of the rocket, and so implies that the compression of space is much greater than I was thinking.

I'm going to have a go at working out the equations that would govern such a transition. I'll report back later.

#241. Posted by: Danny at February 16, 2008 3:12 AM

Thank you #240 for validating my post way back #73..
If the space/time continuum has been breached and when they get rescued they go back in time:
1. The pilot was supposed to be on Flight 815 but he knew it was going to crash so he did not go..
2. Hurley is back in the psych ward or is this the reason he went into it the first time..when he found out the numbers to win the lottery..
3. When Sayid was getting stitched up by Ben and he does not have a scar from being shot by Patchy..
4. Desmond's time with Penny and his images of Charlie dying..

What is with Ben and Lists? Didn't he have one on the Island that Ana Lucia was not on..Maybe that is the list of survivors or people that get off the Island? or work for him and by work i mean Kill for him...
I think the flashback/forwards are not necessarily in chronological order.
Now, I know people will systematically tear this post apart but really people, a smoke monster? Polar bear on a tropical island? All in good fun..

#242. Posted by: UsetheSchwartz at February 16, 2008 7:52 AM

Mac, You have made me an addict. Shame on You =)

You MUST make the book(s). I´ll help You with money if needed, email me! And puhleeasseeeeee don´t ever quit this blog!

#243. Posted by: Fahlander at February 16, 2008 8:00 AM

I seem to notice a growing trend in today's TV series. Often, somebody wanted by the police, or a villain, hurt and bleeding, will go and seek medical help into a veterinary clinic.
Hm....Sayid does it, another well known character from Prison break does it, and the examples could ontinue.

Being a vet myself, I start to become increasingly anxious. Who knows who will walk next into the practice?

I have been a fidel reader for the past 2 years. Keep them coming, Mac, and thanks!

#244. Posted by: Andreika at February 16, 2008 8:04 AM

Hmm... Bens name on one of the passports is "Dean Moriarty". If i am not remembering this wrong, Dean Moriarty was a key person in the book "On the road" by Jack Kerouac. The book is about life of adventure on the road, of a life based in the here and now, where the future and past is not interesting.

Clue?

Mac, thinking more about it, I would definitely finance Your book! I am Widmore rich =) and this would be a lot of fun!

#245. Posted by: Fahlander at February 16, 2008 8:17 AM

One more observation. When Kate and Sawyer are talking (when Sawyer is "guarding" her), there is a star map on the wall. Hmm.... Why would Ben has a star map on the wall? MY BRAIN HURTS!!!

#246. Posted by: Fahlander at February 16, 2008 8:22 AM

One more observation. When Kate and Sawyer are talking (when Sawyer is "guarding" her), there is a star map on the wall. Hmm.... Why would Ben has a star map on the wall? MY BRAIN HURTS!!!

#247. Posted by: Fahlander at February 16, 2008 8:41 AM

I was rewatching Sayid's "left" handed golf swing and realized that at the begining of the scene they show -from a distance-Sayid completing a right handed golf swing. Oops.

#248. Posted by: Andy at February 16, 2008 10:05 AM

I was rewatching Sayid's "left" handed golf swing and realized that at the begining of the scene they show -from a distance-Sayid completing a right handed golf swing. Oops.

#249. Posted by: Andy at February 16, 2008 10:05 AM

OK. Not only did I double post, but I was wrong about the right handed swing. Sorry. I will now pick up my monitor and smash it on the ground like Locke.

#250. Posted by: Andy at February 16, 2008 10:20 AM

@Fahlander: Any and all Widmore benefactors are welcome ;)

To be honest, the financing aspect isn't the problem -- since I envision the first version of any "book" as being an eBook. It's finding the time to go through all the old stuff and all the comments to really deliver something that's entertaining and interesting. I've seen a few attempts at such things, and more often than not the results are lackluster. The folks who come here deserve something much better, but that would take a significant amount of time to deliver.

It's definitely on my mind, though!

#251. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2008 10:24 AM

@DANNY - #220:

Interesting theory regarding compressed space. That would probably explain the fact that the island seems gi-normous and noone seems to come across each other randomly.

Would space compression relate to String Theory or M Theory? I only ask 'cause I am pretty convinced that one of the themes on the show relates to multiverses or alternate realities. If not, I still think your "Space Compression" theory has alot of merit based on what we saw n the last episode.

#252. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 16, 2008 10:36 AM

re: Moriarty

No one seems to have mentioned the obvious reference - Prof James "Moriarty" is the criminal mastermind nemesis of Sherlock Holmes, described by Holmes as having extraordinary mental powers.

I could see Ben getting a kick out of taking on the Moriarty alias for that very reason....

#253. Posted by: shikotee at February 16, 2008 12:08 PM

No one mentions that when Sayid is looking around Ben's house and goes to the bookcase, his gaze lingers on a copy of the Qur'an, the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind. Is it curious Ben has a copy? Or is it just a moment for Sayid to connect with his spirituality (which he seems to do when we see him praying). It also would tie in with him saying he would have sold his soul when he started believing Ben.

I'm with the whole idea that Kate doesn't get off scotfree from her prison sentence, but instead her hubby Kevin the cop (and was doing a lot of fugitive recovery work, as you may recall)is "keeping" her as a sort of deal so she stays out of prison.

Kate having a child is an attractive possibility,too. They certainly set that up a bit in her marriage ep when she thought she was possibly pregnant. I have been surprised that she and Sawyer have had so much sex w/o protection--you would think he would have recovered all the condoms on the plane (LOL). I don't think Sawyer makes it off the Island, and he already has a daughter he more or less refuses to acknowledge, remember?

They have obviously built into the plot very strongly the idea of following a certain heading is the only way "off" the Island--remember the raft going nowhere? And when Michael and Walt got on their boat, Ben very particularly tells them to follow an exact heading. You may not need that heading to get "on" but you need it to get off.

I've read all the discussions on the time possibilities, but it doesn't seem to make any kind of real sense yet.

One thing that has almost been mentioned, but not quite...how about clones? Is this Ben the only Ben? Is Richard the only Richard? We know they could clone rabbits...wouldn't humans be close behind?

Also, when Frank asks Daniel and Charlotte if they want to fly back to the freighter, they both are quite keen to stay on Island...and obviously not to hang out hoping to catch Ben. Charlotte seems quite excited, actually, to get to work doing...???

#254. Posted by: Noelle at February 16, 2008 12:08 PM

I watched the episode again last night, and I am convinced that flashforwards are going to be mixed with flashbacks, and that we might not be able to tell. Sayid may have known Ben before this all happened. When Elsa brought up his experience with the "crash", it may not have been the Oceanic crash. Just seemed weird to go from one flash forward (the golf course) straight into another, unless they were trying to trick us.

It's my theory, and I am sticking to it!


LLB - Long Live Ben....:)

#255. Posted by: meg at February 16, 2008 12:10 PM

Ok, after just watching the EP (I always read the re-caps first) there is no doubt in my mind that Sayid is still very much "a good guy" and there are serious and necessary reasons for him to be working with Ben. It seemed like he had genuinely loved Elsa, and was heartbroken by her betrayal--and every time he looked at Ben in the vet's office, it was with regret.

Ben is slimier than a slug after a thunderstorm. Eeew!

#256. Posted by: taylor0822 at February 16, 2008 12:18 PM

Wow - took a while to get through all those posts!!! Things just keep getting better and better, don't they?

Just a few things I've noticed - Elsa seemed to look alot more like Nadia to me, rather than Shannon. (Just me?)

I also felt that the powder around Jacob's shack was gunpowder back when Ben first took Locke to see him. Can't remember if I actually posted it here, or just discussed it with friends, but glad I'm not alone!!

I'm with #256 - Sayid was using her for her connection to his target, but never wanted to kill her at all. Maybe he got a little more attached than he should have, cuz I sure wouldn't have stayed with someone once I found out they had used me to meet and kill my boss, but at least she still would have been alive.

Also #228 - I was thinking about Adam and Eve as well the other day!! LOL!

That's all for now - and GRAA, Mac!

#257. Posted by: Irish at February 16, 2008 1:33 PM

@256 taylor0822

re: serious and necessary reason

This is what is exciting me! It seems like Sayid is much more aware of the bigger picture (something we might not find out til the last season - to keep suspense)), and understands and is willing to do "horrible" things for the overall better good.

I just can't buy into Ben/Sayid alliance pre crash - it seems way too "jump the shark". However, if time manipulation/parallel world comes into play, who knows?

We all know that Ben has issues, but what if the cause he serves is truly in the best interests of mankind? His cause could be noble, though his methodology could be severely flawed. Ben Linus - the dark hero!

Only time will tell....

#258. Posted by: shikotee at February 16, 2008 1:52 PM

If you want to do a book, you should take a look at this http://tinyurl.com/2ebpg5

#259. Posted by: Meredith at February 16, 2008 2:07 PM

Hey, I've lurked here for a year now, after I watched Season 1-3 online. I found this journal to be really fun and I love the theories and satire that comes with it. After all, if you can't poke fun of the show then it's not really that great. =)

As for theories I was wondering why they showed Kate focused on Naomi's knife wound. To me, it looked like it was healing and that's why Kate w shocked. Of course, it could have been because she was shocked that Naomi possibly pulled the knife out of her back.

Meg - You think that Ben is sexy and I'd have to agree with you on the point of intelligence and smugness is kind of sexy but physically he's not that attractive to me. Though when he does wear his glasses he looks rather cute. =)
But just the fact he's such a manipulative jerk makes me somehow really like his character more and more.

Desmond is my favorite and I was happy when they showed him again. =D Yay. I just have a feeling he'll end up dying. =( Boo.

As for the Daniel rock experiment theories and observations I have to agree with some points on that.
I thought that when we saw the clock it read as 2 hours 13 minutes etc and not 2 minutes etc.
The reason being is because he set up the experiment while Juliet when to go find Desmond (which would take a hour there and back from the beach, right?) and also the switch Sayid did. By the time that all happened two hours had passed and then the rocket found it's way to them.
I'm a little skeptical of reading it as 2 minutes because there was more time passed between his initial attempt and when it landed since we see the other people interacting between those two points.

Also...this could be just me, but I also read the clock initially as 2:13pm.

Sayid and his Ben cahoots being a 'flash back' - I'd have to say then who would his friends be at that point in time? Between his hiring by the CIA he seemed to lay low and his only goal was to get to Nadia.
I thought Ben was referring to the Island buddies. But the bullet wound/non-wound is a good observation.

#260. Posted by: Silhouette at February 16, 2008 2:21 PM

Read the timeloop theory in #153, very convincing.
http://www.timelooptheory.com

Was the reddish pack of money in Ben's desk in the secret room the same currency Charlotte bribed the guy in Tunisia with the same currency?
Any link to passport Sayid looked at and Tunisia.
All would be evidence of Charlotte being 'man on the boat'

#261. Posted by: mtncbn at February 16, 2008 2:32 PM

I'll repeat an observation I posted near the end of last week's blog. In the screen captures for last week's episode, there's a scene from Mile's backstory while he's in the room of the dead drug dealer where you can see a poster on the wall with the months of the year on it (above the desk with the little clock). There are 6 months down the left edge and 6 down the right. You can't quite read it, but can tell by the length of the month names that July to December are on the left and January to June on the right. You can also see which day of the week each month starts and ends on. This calendar is the fiscal year 2007-08, either that or 1979-80 because 1980 was the last time February 29 falls on a Friday.

So first I thought this is a future flash. But before Miles gets out of his car, the radio is talking about the finding of Oceanic 815 story. So it's a back flash.

How can this be? The time shift that Daniel has discovered. On the island, only 90-some days have passed and for them it's late December 2004. But for the real world it's 2007 or 2008.

#262. Posted by: ardie at February 16, 2008 4:20 PM

Some other things.

One of the Boaties (or maybe it was Naome) said to someone, "you've been here this whole time?", which may make more sense if they were thinking 3+ years instead of 3 months.

Another good line: when Kate asked Sawyer if she was his prisoner, he says, "Only if you're into that sort of thing". Hmmm - roll playing anyone?

The ash around Jacob's cabin. Isn't that some kind of voodoo thing to control or confine a spirit? Like in that movie where Chevy Chase is splashed with nuclear waste and gets all those weird powers and acts demon possessed, then the Jamacan (or whatever), spiritualist lady comes in chanting and puts an ash ring around the bed he's lying on (which he subsequently snorts up like cocain).

As for Kate post island. Perhaps with her fame and with the help of Oceanic Airlines, she gets a presidential pardon for her crime.

#263. Posted by: ardie at February 16, 2008 4:33 PM

And lastly, I did a head count of Team Locke from the screen captures. It looks like there are 12 of them, not counting baby Aaron: Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Clair, Rousseau, Alex, Carl, Ben, and 4 other 815 survivors (2 men and 2 women that are no-name background ones). Well 14 now, if you count Kate and Miles.

#264. Posted by: ardie at February 16, 2008 4:48 PM

@149/mac Well Days certainly has it's share of supernatural ellements. I haven't watched it much since college (early-mid 90's), but you had all that Marlena possessed stuff and the DiMeras brainwashing, implanting false memories, and swapping babies left and right...GH had those kinds of stories in the 80's with the freeze ray gun and Robert Scorpio's super secret spy network. Alias and Lost perhaps both owe a bit of a debt to them!

#265. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 16, 2008 6:09 PM

Well, again late to the party, I started a new job on Friday then hit happy hour with a group form my old job, but I have finally gotten through all the comments! First off, this was an amazing episode. I was totally blown away by the bug-eyed reveal at the end of the episode, and was also caught off guard by the Elsa double cross. I was not caught off guard by the freighty for freighty swap, but I loved Sayid's delivery of his line to Locke along the lines of "I don't expect you to just give her to me for nothing."

I was once again heartbroken for Jack. How does Meg watch an episode with Jack, Sawyer, and Sayid, and decide Ben is the guy for her?!?

Great review as always Mac, keep it up please!

Oh and...

@193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198/Castaway

No, I don't think Jacob is the Economist.

#266. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 16, 2008 6:34 PM

Okay, okay, okay..things have got out of hand here, so I feel I need to clarify it a bit. Below you will find the order of attractiveness list:

1. Sawyer (yet he should keep his mouth shut)
2. Sayid (if I can get past the whole "torturer" thing)

3. Desmond (yet, alas, he's in love with Penny and has no honor yet)

4. Jack ( at least he'd make a good salary, but he's now a drunk...ick)

5. Eko (but, he's dead, and I'm not into that...or the whole Jesus stick thing)

6. Ben (okay, maybe I am drunk, but this wine sure is tasting good)

7. Kate - okay, I'm kidding. But she does look great with no makeup! :)

PS - Don't ban me yet mac, this is Lost related...:)

#267. Posted by: meg at February 16, 2008 7:18 PM

meg - you crack me up. Wish I had some wine.....

#268. Posted by: AmyK at February 16, 2008 7:26 PM

4 times in a row the same thing--- it's only been a few days---- no more monitoring-- all for money- crap.

Please delete when you wake up,

bud

#269. Posted by: bud smith at February 16, 2008 7:37 PM

Okay, and let's make bud #8 because he makes a darn good point with his intruiging post!!

#270. Posted by: meg at February 16, 2008 7:40 PM

@269 - huh?

#271. Posted by: AmyK at February 16, 2008 7:40 PM

Just being sarcastic Amy....:) I didn't understand it either.

#272. Posted by: meg at February 16, 2008 7:42 PM

meg - I didn't even see your post before I responded. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. I thought maybe I was just missing something!

#273. Posted by: AmyK at February 16, 2008 7:46 PM

"4 times in a row the same thing--- it's only been a few days---- no more monitoring-- all for money- crap."

Is that haiku?

;)

#274. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2008 8:07 PM

Eureka! That's got to be it!

#275. Posted by: AmyK at February 16, 2008 8:13 PM

mac, please forgive me, you are #1 on the list..:)

#276. Posted by: meg...MIF at February 16, 2008 8:21 PM

Awww, thanks Meg!

#277. Posted by: mac at February 16, 2008 8:42 PM

Great Review Mac!

The one thing that still bugs me is how much of the suspense is taken out knowing that Jack, Ben, Kate, Sayid, and Hurley dont die. Just weekend it for me. When the helo was flying off with Sayid and Desmond I new they would get to the boat bc Sayid had a fututre flash so not Helo crash.

#278. Posted by: dakota at February 16, 2008 10:11 PM

@fenway Ben

Congrats on the new job. Still in Hawaii, or back on the mainland?

#279. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 16, 2008 11:14 PM

Great review Mac! It's been said many times before: you definitely enhance the Lost Experience. I usually do this: watch an episode, read your post and all the comments and then re-watch the episode. I can't get Lost enough ;).

Anyways, I like the compressed Space theory by Danny in #216. Refreshing take on what is going on here :). Does this mean that the island is sort of a semi "black hole" which could destroy the entire planet earth (because of it's enormous gravity?).

#280. Posted by: r-Yawn at February 17, 2008 6:20 AM

Mac-we're taught in Wt Watchers to find "rewards" other than food....your column is my end-of-week reward for pounds ! But I have a really long way to go, so keep hanging in there....You are the best!

Still--I cannot believe that in 280 posts no one caught this, so I must be wrong. No TIVO to check on it again, so here goes:

When Sayid IDs himself on the golf course, he does NOT say he is one of the Oceanic Six, he says he is one of the Oceanic THREE. And when he IDs the flight, it is NOT 815 but a different flight number.

Is this true? Can someone verify this for me? Because I think that Mr_Grimm and michHael are on to something with their posts (#164, #184).

Pdaddy--I think that yes, Ilsa IS Shannon in this scene. Sayid "knows" the original Shannon is dead, so this one is his for only a short time before she also must become dead in this new universe/time.

He must experience the joy of her alive again, which would help explain the extreme suddenness of their affair in this ep. (I can't believe it was just a bad job cutting) but also the sadness of losing her again, as he is shown weeping as he holds her (great acting!!). And this time HE has to kill her, altho it's clear that he doesn't know when or how this is to occur, to protect his friends as we find out later from Ben.

If it turns out that parallel universes are being used here, then that also helps explain why some flash-forwards and some flashbacks of the same character do not match up exactly. Because there's different strokes for different times, folks. And that could cause some problems, eh?

However, as Mr_Grimm points out, the same characters in different universes cannot meet. Anti-matter cannot exist in the same place as matter, something like that.

But...maybe on the island, the divisions are not so difficult to cross. Or maybe that's what is "getting worse"....

AND....if those other "same" characters are disposed of so that the Ilsa in one universe is dead and the Shannon in another universe is dead, and so on, then maybe there exists one universe somewhere for Sayid to eventually meet and keep his love.

But maybe all the others have to be dead......so he has to kill and kill and kill in universe after universe after universe, which would also explain why the normally-fanatically-careful Sayid would be so out of character on the golf course obviously not caring a damn about his cover.

I believe Ben is blackmailing Sayid with something like this, and maybe it is to save the ones who are left on the island. There certainly is no feeling of friendship between the two in the last scenes, only watchful hatred.

Sorry to come to the party so late, but it takes about 2 hours to read everyone's comments, not to mention the 2 Aleve for the pounding brain. Still it would be nice to know if I was in error....

#281. Posted by: stontilam at February 17, 2008 12:34 PM

I've read everyting and don't remember if this was covered.

When Jules kisses Jack when before leaving to go back to the beach. His beard have a lot of grey one it.

When he is in the flash forward at the airport it's pitch black.

Has this been covered?

Meg: Don't give up on the Wine you are a lot more fun when partaking !

#282. Posted by: SamFin at February 17, 2008 1:07 PM

@ 281 stontilam

Sayid tells the Italian he received a settlement from a plane crash. "Oceanic Airlines flight eight one five. I'm Sayid Jarah. One of the Oceanic six."

And as far as a Shannon/Elsa connection, I don't see one other than the fact they are both blondes. I'm sure Shannon went through Sayid's mind while with Elsa but I don't think he believes Elsa IS Shannon.

#283. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 17, 2008 1:19 PM

well this sucks. ben doesent die. i was looking forward to that moment...

#284. Posted by: kaseygirl106 at February 17, 2008 5:22 PM

Along with Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Jack haven't we already seen the other 2 members of the Oceanic 6? In Jack's flash forward during the season finale of season 3 weren't Sun and Jin on the plane with him in the background...?

#285. Posted by: Ali at February 17, 2008 8:05 PM

Hmmm...we're back to the Jin and Sun on the plane thing...

ANTP...

Anyone Notice The Passengers?

#286. Posted by: Randy at February 17, 2008 9:05 PM

I like the space compression theory. What I like about it is that if its right then its just what Desmond said,

"We're trapped in a bloody snowglobe, brother"

Wouldn't it have been funny if we've all been speculating about what's going on when the writers flat out told us what was happening.

By the way, if my calculations are right, which they almost certainly are not, that snowglobe would only be 4 or 5 inches. If thats right, it actually would be a snowglobe.

#287. Posted by: castaway at February 17, 2008 9:37 PM

Is it just me or has anyone thought about the fact that the Oceanic 6 were allowed to leave under the circumstances that they were to not speak of any activities that occurred on the island AND to not reveal that Locke and his crew decided to stay behind? BTW the bracelets are identical. Sayid's work with Ben seem's to say that he was right about the boaters. perhaps the flash forward is about revenge.....or is Ben a good guy? I hate that I just wrote that.

#288. Posted by: Goodnight at February 17, 2008 9:45 PM

OK . . Just got home from a concert trip and HAVEN'T seen the episode yet, but HAVE read Mac's synopsis . .

And one thing jumped out to me that I hadn't thought of before . . . If the others can't have children, why do they have creaking swingsets? . . .

After I read all the comments I'm sure I won't have anything to add, but wow . . am I READY to watch this episode!!!!

Thanks Mac for the pre-rush!

DRH

#289. Posted by: davidrh at February 17, 2008 10:08 PM

Noelle #274: I don't think Sawyer makes it off the Island, and he already has a daughter he more or less refuses to acknowledge, remember?

Does Sawyer know about the daughter? How did he find out? I missed that!


#290. Posted by: Rudy at February 17, 2008 10:37 PM

@289 davidrh

The swingsets in otherville are from the days of Dharma, where people moved to the island with their families for work, much like Roger did with Ben. There were children that likely played on the swings - they just were not necessarily born on the island.

#291. Posted by: shikotee at February 18, 2008 12:19 AM

Ben definately has not lost his edge. Has anyone ever so mastered the art of manipulation and deception coupled with an impossible will and ability to survive.
What creeps me out is that in the end Ben might actually be a 'Good' guy like he has insisted all along. Or maybe he's just the better of two Evils. Picture Sahid working for Ben the same guy he panel beat a new face with his fist.
Could't believe Sahid fell for the trap. was screeming at the tv when they went to Ben's Bachelor Pad
If Dharma are the one looking for Ben, why do they still make food drops. If not perhaps Ben was able to negotiate a deal with the Dharma Initiative.
+ @mac. they were not suppose to retrieve Ben but to just give him a picture. Probaly to let him know that he is on their radar.
Think the Oceanic 6 are as follows.
JACK-KATE-HURLEY-SAHID-CLAIRE-AARON.
Unless kate is not among their number(they hid her and implied she died on the island) hence she will be replaced by someone else.
Sahid took Naomi's body back as a gesture of good will. not because she is still alive. everybody die when they die, i.e suffer a mortal wound. except Locke and there was an explanation; missing kidney. As for patchy, he himself said the barrier was not set to full power.
We all predicted or wished Eko did not die but he did, same for Charly, Libby, Ana Lucia, Paullanikky, etc
Ben can leave the island the same way Micheal did by boat on a particular heading. remember how excited he was about the prospect of Desmond's Boat.
I think something bad is gonna happen to Sahid on the freighter, that might lead him to work for Ben.
And last but not the least, from reading the above posts. I have observed that Lost is a drug that has negative side effects. lost has turned the fail safe key on people's imagination, based on the theories and observation some poeple are peddling. some just sound downright riddiculus. no offence intended, i know its all in good fun, but please think ur ideas through before u clogg up the already clooged up posts.
-No sahid has not been working with ben from the beggining or at time before the rescue.
-No faraday could not have visited the Island previously, he was dazzled by the suulight on the island, hence he hasn'yt obseved it before
-No Ben cannot travel in time, otherwise he would not keep getting taken taken hostage and have his body panel beaten. (just look at his eyes bulging fro several fist impact)
-No Naomi is not coming back, she ain't patchy. if she does i'll eat my keyboard!
No ...... all other crazy ideas.
LOL>>>>>>>HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
with all respect to mac. you owe me several hours of my life i spend on this blog.

#292. Posted by: David_Don(thelostprophet) at February 18, 2008 5:47 AM

Hey shikotee . . .About a minute after I wrote that I remembered the big "slaughter on Lost Island" episode. Of course, you're right! Children of the former residents . . after all, Ben was a boy once himself.

I still haven't had a chance to watch the episode. Have to leave town tomorrow early and lots to do, so I'm just drooling over the comments!

And of course, from the archives of the Lost Bloggers I am reminded, for no apparent reason by no one in particular, that yes indeed, "Grammar Makes the Man." :-)

Have a great week.

#293. Posted by: davidrh at February 18, 2008 7:53 AM

I was watching the Missing Pieces Mobisodes last night and it came to me in the first one, The Watch, that maybe it was a clue that Jack's grand-father was somehow related to this whole Widmore-Sun's father conspiracy.

Remember that Jin was delivering similar watches to very important "friends" of his father-in-law.

I'm not sure what to make of it, maybe it's just a general reference to "time" as being important, but I really think that there's more...

#294. Posted by: One of the Six at February 18, 2008 8:32 AM

I caught something else when I re-watched this EP during the weekend that I wanted to get everyones thoughts on. When Jack is talking with Frank (the pilot) about the Red Socks, he said it had been 100 days since he had seen a baseball game. If the last time he watched a game was the day before the crash then the date on the island is December 30 or 31.

Does this match with what we have as the date on the island? I thought we had not passed Christmas yet. Anyone have any ideals?

#295. Posted by: micHael at February 18, 2008 9:26 AM

I think they have all been cloned in some way,Dharma knows this about the island.If they start to come back to the states then dharma would have to kill them off. Syaid is left handed on the golf course(FF), but yet he does eveything else with his right hand on the island.

#296. Posted by: T -spoon at February 18, 2008 10:07 AM

@255
I rewatched the episode too and while at first, something made me think I was watching a flashback, I am pretty sure that Sayid mentions "Oceanic 6" in all of them, so I believe they are forwards.

Do the forwards have to be written in stone? "The future, uncertain it is". Maybe these are POSSIBLE futures? like Lukes vision of his future?

I read a theory at Dark UFO that I like about worm holes and time shifts. Maybe they go to the future to change the past or else wind up dead at the bottom of the ocean.

#297. Posted by: berkyo at February 18, 2008 10:47 AM

When Jack asked Frank about the World Series, is Frank thinking the 2007 series or 2004?
We assume island time is running slower than real time. What year is it to the boatie people. This may be why Frank didn't say anything when Jack said its been 100 days since he has seen a game.
OK am I way off in what I am thinking?

#298. Posted by: btly at February 18, 2008 11:13 AM

@ardie (#262):

Cool catch! And take it a step further... what if all four of the individual scenes we saw with the boaties are actually flash-FORWARDS instad of flash BACKS? Think about it for a moment...with the time-travel element, it could actually make sense. Hmmmm

#299. Posted by: GatorGal at February 18, 2008 11:33 AM

Okay, I had a thought this morning (for a change) - since the creators are big Star Wars fans are we going to get a big "Luke, I am your father" moment. Darth Ben begets ????

Found it creepy but oddly possible.

#300. Posted by: EthansGirl at February 18, 2008 11:44 AM

@289 davidrh asked:

>And one thing jumped out to me that I hadn't thought of before . . . If the others can't have children, why do they have creaking swingsets? . . .

The swingsets are left over from when this was a Dharma village, and Dharma definitely had kids. Didn't Annie present Ben his Annie-doll at the swings?

The Others only recorded use of the swingsets is as a Sayid holding area.

#301. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 18, 2008 12:12 PM

@290 Rudy asked:

>Does Sawyer know about the daughter? How did he find out? I missed that!

In a Sawyer flashback in 3-4 - Every Man for Himself, Sawyer's ex-partner and lover visits him in prison to tell him he now has a daughter, Clementine.

He professes not to believe her, but later when he is paroled and given a reward for conning another convict into revealing the location of stolen loot, Sawyer has the reward money put in a bank account in Albuquerque in Clementine's name, anonymously.


#302. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 18, 2008 12:28 PM

Just FYI...Phil Mickelson does everything right-handed...except play golf. Being right-eye dominant and playing left-handed go hand-in-hand, or something to that effect. The fact that Sayid might play golf left-handed is not that unusual. The fact that the shook-up Italian dude stiffs his approach to 5 feet to win the bet is what is more unlikely! Nerves of steel on that guy!

#303. Posted by: Wade at February 18, 2008 1:00 PM

Rewatched again...and am hung up on the golf course scenes. When Sayid first kills the guy, there are major shadows everywhere. After the camera pans to Sayid's face and back to the dead guy on the ground...voila....not a single shadow. The LOST creators seem too meticulous to let this get by the editors. But I admit it doesn't seem to have much significance. Unless there's some time/space thingie going on there.

And,I agree, in the LOST Most Sexiest Guy Poll, Mac is #1.

#304. Posted by: lovelost at February 18, 2008 1:09 PM

I am with you all as for voting Mac #1 in our poll this week...well deserved! :)

Something dawned on me while watching the S3 DVD extras...now this may have been well covered last season, but I couldn't find posts about it in my quick perusal of a few of last season's discussions....Did we ever cover whether or not it's Mikhail's eye in the trunk that Eko found in the Arrow station?

Please, before you tear me a new one here, it could just be a simple yes or no (I just don't have the memory that some of you do in here to cover all of the previous discussions we have had), even if we discussed it. If we didn't, could this be significant in some way? If we did, what did we surmise?

I know this has nothing to do with the week's episode, but I just got the DVDs for my bday and you all are the ones I would come to first to run this thought by....

ANTP and Namaste...thanks for your insights, friends! :)

#305. Posted by: Vikki at February 18, 2008 1:16 PM

Just listenting to a LostCast Podcast #59, which was recorded between S-3 and S-4, and whihc dealtt with "Theories". The 'casters claimed to have read in an interview with Michael Emerson that, in the first 8 shows (then in the can) he had no scenes off the island. If so:

1) I wonder if we're mistaken about where the Ben/Sayid interchange in "The Economist' took place, or

2) Emerson was misled as to where his character's scene was set, or

3) Emerson was being misleading.

#306. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 18, 2008 1:40 PM

I'm actually a little peeved at myself for not keeping up with the flow (to contribute my brilliant POVs of course)....but that stupid Valentine's Day thingy got me all sorts of bass-ackwards...women?!?!?!

Just a couple quick comments for now...rewatch coming up soon I hope:

-I think Sayid is killing all people with 4 toes.

-I guess the end of this ep signifies (outside of timing) that Ben is NOT in the coffin. Glad I never went there.

-Spiders coma-tozing Naomi....uh, no. Unless the spiders can morph into a metalic object that pierces skin and spine and produces blood from the mouth. She may still be alive (island is kinda cool like that), but no spiders. Maybe she's hooking up with Patchy in the same waiting room that Beatlejuice was in at the end of his movie.

-meg has the worst taste in men ever!!! (I don't believe that 'new list' for a second!!)

-Wierd continuation of timers and whole space time thingy: If the timers were syncronized on the freighter, and both timers went through the 'portal', then wouldn't both of the timers be the same when Daniel looks at them after the rocket arrived? I'm so smart!!

-Lastly: I can't wait for Hurley and Miles to be put in the same scenes together. The two 'comic reliefs' going head to head will be titanic!! It'll be a plethora of one-liners for all to enjoy!!

#307. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 18, 2008 1:47 PM

about right/left handed thing.

I do everything righty but bat when i play softball/baseball. I do that lefty b/c I was raised during the mid-70's in NYC watching one Reginald Martinez Jackson put them over the short porch at Yankee Stadium.

So I dont think that it has much to do with anything.

#308. Posted by: lostatwork at February 18, 2008 1:53 PM

→ 305. Posted by: Vikki at February 18, 2008 01:16 PM

Yes, Vikki this was discussed but no conclusions were made as to if it was Mikhail's (Patchie’s) glass eye. There was a lot of speculation that it was but I think not because when we see him without his patch cover on in the Looking glass he has no eye socket. So without the socket why would he need a glass eye?

#309. Posted by: micHael at February 18, 2008 1:56 PM

→ 305. Posted by: Vikki at February 18, 2008 01:16 PM

Yes, Vikki this was discussed but no conclusions were made as to if it was Mikhail's (Patchie’s) glass eye. There was a lot of speculation that it was but I think not because when we see him without his patch cover on in the Looking glass he has no eye socket. So without the socket why would he need a glass eye?

#310. Posted by: micHael at February 18, 2008 1:57 PM

--267

Can't stop thinking about meg's list:
meg and Kate?

How am I supposed to focus on work around here?

#311. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 18, 2008 2:59 PM

@279/Cecil Rose

>Congrats on the new job. Still in Hawaii, or back on the mainland?

Thanks, CR. I am off the island and in DC now, reverse commuting it out to NoVa. This is actually my second job since I moved to DC, but glad to have it!

@288/Goodnight
> perhaps the flash forward is about revenge.....or is Ben a good guy? I hate that I just wrote that.

Well, Ben has always said that he is one of the "good guys"...

#312. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 18, 2008 3:02 PM

@ RedNeckMan -- four toes! That's funny. Clever too, of course.

Any chance that Cahrles Widmore is The Economist?

#313. Posted by: GatorGal at February 18, 2008 3:28 PM

@303 Righty/Lefty
True, lefty still looks FAT! But in season two, When Hurley says everybody needs to just chill. He sets up a golf course on the isle,Jack,Kate& Sayid plays & "not" left handed. But yeah, all in all it may not mean a thing...Also about the golf course, check out the werid looking sand traps under in green,almost look like symbols.Or the hill just behind Dan when he is setting up the rocket Exp.

#314. Posted by: T -spoon at February 18, 2008 3:30 PM

@298 - Jack saying it's been 100 days since he's seen a baseball game.

a) It could have been a few days before his flight to Sydney that he last had a chance to watch a game.

b) He probably was in Sydney a few days before he found that his father had died and he recovered the body.

c) 100 days is just a round (about that long) figure.

I think Jack is referring to the 2004 baseball season and the he hasn't seen a game since early September.

#315. Posted by: ardie at February 18, 2008 4:27 PM

A little disappointed...

This is how I feel about the Alex and Rousseau reunion. I realize there is alot going on, but I find it hard to believe that Alex is not super excited, or even asking the obvious questions - ie where have you been all my life, and why?

I guess they want us to assume that something like this has happened, and we have just not seen it?

There was such a long build up to this moment (reunion), so I guess I was expecting more emotion when it happened.

Forgive me if this was mentioned or discussed in previous episode threads...

#316. Posted by: shikotee at February 18, 2008 4:27 PM

@314 T -spoon SAID:

>...But in season two, When Hurley says everybody needs to just chill. He sets up a golf course on the isle,Jack,Kate& Sayid plays & "not" left handed.

Yeah, it *may* not mean anything. I noticed he *shot* righty, but that's not conclusive since many left-handers train themselves to shoot righty because guns are not symetrical and are designed for the majority right-handers.

On the other hand, in a non-professional, I'd think switching golf-hands would be unusual. And since the Orchid video has already hinted at time-travel/matter teleportation (which are essentially the same thing), I've got to wonder.

Some SF matter tranportation scenarios have resulted in mirror-reversal of the things transmitted. I'd really like to know what side Sayid Mark-II's heart is.

Plus, the name of the S-3 finale episode (and the underwater station) have always suggested something to me. The title of Carrol's work was "Alice's Adventures *Through* the Looking Glass". I've harbored a suspicion that the real commerce on-off the island was though a matter transmitter in the Looking Glass (located underwater to dump the heat generated in operation, perhaps) and that all the persons so transported were unconscous (a la Juliet) so as not to learn the secret, and that the sub was used only for the last leg from the Looking Glass Station to the dock. And moreover this was true for Dharma, too.

And maybe the tramsmitter no longer works because the power source dissappeared with the Swan station, so the only way on-off is along the precise bearing Ben sent Michael and Walt on (and Dan cautioned Frank about using).

#317. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 18, 2008 4:27 PM

Sorry to post again, but I forgot to mention that when Dan Farady examines the payload watch he says, "31 minutes, oh no, this isn't good" I almost think he also said "It's getting worse".. Going back to the theories about the island I am looking forward to see what's so BAD about that experiment, and how it all plays in to the future of the island and losties.

#318. Posted by: callaway76 at February 18, 2008 5:18 PM

I noticed that after Elsa shoots Sayid, and she called her employer The Economist (worst Super Villian name, ever!), she was speaking German to him (or some dialect similiar to German) and the subtitles were provided. Is this any clue to who The Economist really is? I'll take a wild guess and say The Economist (I love saying The Economist) is not Mr. Paik.

IBEO = Ich bin ein Otherer

#319. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 18, 2008 6:19 PM

@304/lovelost:

I rewatched the scene where Sayid’s dispatches Mr. Avelino to that big golf course in Heaven and you're absolutely right about the shadows detail!

After the close up on Sayid's face there is not a single shadow on the ground. Not one. I even tried to look under the golf car... and then the sprinklers start to run.

Obviously those scenes were filmed at different times of a day. The first one it seems to be in late afternoon and the other early in the morning. But Sayid’s movement suggests continuity, so…

LOST crew is so concerned about this kind of details… it was a bit of disappointment.
But it's still the best show on Earth!

BTW, there was some discussion about Mr. Avelino origin that, being myself an European and all, I have to say:
- he makes the bet in €uros
- he says “Eccellente”, in Italian!

Can’t wait for next episode!

#320. Posted by: PreacherOnun at February 18, 2008 6:23 PM

anagram for Economist = 'Come To Sin'

or another one is 'Once Moist', so technically it could be Nikki?

nyuk-nyuk-nyuk

#321. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 18, 2008 6:44 PM

This entire show is based on a time machine, with 2 different realities being formed based on the time traveling that has taken place... once you all realize this you won't be wasting your precious time trying to figure out all of the mind-boggling details and trying to piece them together.

#322. Posted by: Boozy at February 18, 2008 7:25 PM

Ardie 315

I think Jack is referring to the 2004 baseball season and the he hasn't seen a game since early September.

Jack is thinking the 2004 series but is Frank thinking the 2004 or the 2007 series.

What I am saying is what year is it right now to the boatie people. (2007)?
The losties think it's 2004

#323. Posted by: btly at February 18, 2008 7:31 PM

I think the "numbers" represent the seat numbers in which the losties were sitting in on the plane; therefore possibly represent the oceanic six survivors? jack was sitting in seat 23 and i think kate's seat number was revealed some time ago. Just a thought....

what are sayids and hurleys seat numbers?

#324. Posted by: AC at February 18, 2008 7:42 PM

@317 - Cecil Rose

That's a good theory - that the Looking Glass Station is the method used to get on and and off the island via a teleporter (beem me out, Scotty). And then the submarine is used to get from the Looking Glass Station to the dock.

That would explain why they required that Juliet be drugged unconscience for the trip and then she revived just before the submarine got to the dock.

#325. Posted by: ardie at February 18, 2008 7:44 PM

@btly: I'm happy with the outcome of either season ;)

#326. Posted by: mac at February 18, 2008 7:46 PM

As to the lefty-righty, off-island on-island difference, I may be wrong but wasn't there just one set of right-handed clubs on the island.

#327. Posted by: One of the six at February 18, 2008 7:49 PM

Mac
You and me both, I am from Natick

#328. Posted by: btly at February 18, 2008 7:56 PM

@btly: Nice! There are a number of Sox fans who visit here regularly (and the Yankee fans are -- I can't believe I'm writing this -- really very nice and civil).

#329. Posted by: mac at February 18, 2008 8:03 PM

Hey Mac, I know it's not Lost related, but do you think it will be Tavarez or Buchholz? Or Snyder?

#330. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 18, 2008 8:40 PM

@FenwayBen: I think it all depends on how Buchholz does this spring. I know he did well in a limited showing last year, but throwing a no-hitter doesn't guarantee greatness. That fact seems to have been lost on many of the talk show hosts and callers, who are ready to punch Buchholz' ticket to the Hall.

Tavarez did pretty well in the first half of '07, so if he could provide 75-100 good innings, I think they're in decent shape. Snyder ... eh. He's a good long-relief guy, but I wouldn't want him as a consistent starter.

What do you think?

(And yes, I'm sorry for the non-Lost post ... but we're getting into the dead zone between episodes so I figured a little baseball talk wouldn't hurt).

#331. Posted by: mac at February 18, 2008 8:49 PM

Thanks Cecil Rose for the Sawyer/Clementine connection, I blanked at that.
One thing that has been bothering me is when Kate got Tom's airplane out of the case she told Jack it was owned by the "only man she ever loved". So does that mean she didn't love the cop, she seemed to. That whole "Tom thing" seems just out of place in her timeline. Also, who sent her the money at the beginning of the episode involving Tom. I'm going to go back and watch that one again.

Fenway Ben, I am a NoVa/DC commuter too, fun times eh?

#332. Posted by: Rudy at February 18, 2008 8:51 PM

I like Tavarez more out of the bull pen, but it's true he was able to eat up some innings as a starter last season. In general, I'd like to see them trot out the young guys (especially Jacoby in CF), but you never know if they'll have enough gas to go 162 games plus (hopefully) into the playoffs. Tavarez can always start in the pen then move into the rotation as a spot starter, Buccholz looks to be a starter only, whether that's in Pawtucket or Boston. I say unless he has a lousy spring he deserves a chance to start where the games count.

And after 7 years in Cali, Korea, and Hawaii, it's nice to only be an hour from an AL East city and get to see them play again!

#333. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 18, 2008 8:57 PM

@332/Rudy

Luckily I have a reverse commute, I don't know how my coworkers who live in Front Royal and Culpepper do it though! It's like they invented a special kind of traffic here for the beltway...

#334. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 18, 2008 9:00 PM

It doesn't bother me in the least if the talk is baseball, or commutes or whatever. I'm in the middle of trying to study for a research/stats exam and I'll appreciate whatever distractions any of you throw my way!

#335. Posted by: AmyK at February 18, 2008 9:34 PM

@120, 123, 317

Mirror, Mirror

(explains how 815 was apprarently traveling WEST when it crashed and was discovered on the Indian Ocean floor - but in our reality it would have been traveling EAST; explains how Sayid is now aparently right handed but in our reality was left handed, etc.)

The realities are blurred...the notions of good and evil are blurred...if Ben is a "bad guy" in one universe, couldn't he be a good guy in "this" universe? When we are shown flashbacks and flashforwards, which reality are we being shown???

The island IS THE looking glass ... as has been suggested by others...a way between realities...

#336. Posted by: SonnyESQ at February 18, 2008 9:36 PM

@FenwayBen and Mac:
Baseball is always appreciated. Spring training has always started! My team is in the AL West, but my wife, Debilost, is a BoSox fan and the 2004 and 2007 seasons were great. I am just glad is is not the Yankees.
Back to LOST: The Looking Glass Station is a transporter? Interesting, not sure I buy it though. I still want to know why Jason Benry did not leave the island for his operation before the sky turned purple. Money, passports, the guy can certainly get around. I agree that he needed jack's help after the failsafe key was turned, but it seems Ben could have done thing a lot easier. Walking up to Jack and asking for help would have been easier too, but certainly not as interesting as getting caught in Rousseau's trap.
My conspiracy theory is that 'The Economist" and Ben are the same person. Yes, Elsa's boss is Ben. Wouldn't that just be a trip?

#337. Posted by: onelostdude at February 18, 2008 9:42 PM

@RNM/319: "IBEO = Ich bin ein Otherer"
LMAO!! I love that! Ich liebe ein Otherer sein! ;)

@FenwayBen & Rudy: I'm actually moving to NoVa at the end of the month! Lost party? :)

#338. Posted by: Trinity at February 18, 2008 10:33 PM

This one's for mac......

Off Island Ben = Bournry

#339. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 19, 2008 12:26 AM

Just to clear things up for us I want one freightie and one Lostie to both bring up what they think is the current date, just to put the 2004/2007 question to end, you know like Back to the Future. (especially with the Red Sox possibility).

Also I dig the response about only one set of right handed clubs on the island. Still I am perplexed about why the watches for BOTH men (Sayid and Italian) were on the wrong hand. Granted I swing right and ALSO wear my watch on the right hand, but for both of them... I should probably drop it. As MAC said it's the Dead Zone betwix episodes. If it pops up as a big reveal in later episodes, then kudos to us, if not then we have too much time on our hands to watch over and over again to follow certain things like... er... shadows on a golf course.

I know the writers/set designers have fun dressing the sets and probably snicker a little when they place a clue, an easter egg, or even a red herring.

I must admit, in my 31 years I have never watched a show so compelling and interesting as Lost, that makes you think and demands discourse across the world. Kudos to Lost for making a damn fine television series. X-Files, Twin Peaks, some shows had it too but none seems to be as well executed as Lost (and it has an end date!!! You know that the answers have already been written!)

That's my two cents. Dead Zone ends in less than 3 days.

#340. Posted by: callaway76 at February 19, 2008 1:34 AM

Thanks, micHael, for the Mikhail/glass eye recap. Sometimes I think I am having these great "eureka!!!" moments, possibly coming up with something no one has thought of yet...then I realize these moments are hard to come by with the group that talks LOST in this forum! ;)

I appreciate the help :)

#341. Posted by: Vikki at February 19, 2008 8:39 AM

@davidrh #289:

The Others can't have children, but the swingsets are a holdover from the DHARMA Initiative. The people that where recruited by DHARMA would bring their children to the island with them.

#342. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 19, 2008 8:48 AM

I am by no means an expert of the show, although in my own mind I am convinced that no one knows more about the show than I do, eventually I snap out of it.

The reason I’m posting is an attempt to explain a couple of things that have been mentioned regarding Sayid and the whole Lefty-Righty thing. Mirror universes is an interesting theory, and I’m not discounting it, but the true explanation for his swinging the club lefty could be simply post-production editing error, they inadvertently flipped the film. I’ve seen this happen on lots of other shows and it wouldn’t surprise me. I believe that LOST uses actual film in production of the series. The only way to prove or discount this is to re-watch the scene with a DVR and try to pick up any wording or numbers in the scene and see if they are also reversed. If proven to be a simple editing mistake then we can all put it to bed and move on, if however it’s demonstrated that it’s not an editing error then there might be some merit to it and we’ll probably see the mirror universe theory integrated into the plot.

The second thing I saw mentioned was that the mirror universe would explain wy 815 was found in an area west of Australia when in our universe it would have been traveling east. No post production screw up there – the reason was given back in the very first episode of this great show. The pilot, when found by Jack, Kate and Charlie, says that they lost communications and had turned around to return to Sydney. The plane, having turned around and with faulty instrumentation, would have gone severely off-course and past it’s point of origin. The pilot also said they were at least a thousand miles off course. If the plane is a plant by Whidmore then he would have been advised by experts in the field and used it to make the wreckage more authentic.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see on both counts.

#343. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 19, 2008 9:26 AM

@343 Mister_Grimm:

Anything's possible, but I'd really have to be convinced that "Lost" let such a post production error slip by them.

This is a production so meticulous that to simulate left-hand driving Sydney in right-hand Honolulu, they once printed every street and store sign in reverse, made reversed costumes for the actors, then intentionally flipped the film.

They may well have intentionally the flipped the film to allow a right-handed actor to appear 'abnormally' left handed. But if they did so you can bet any printed matter will have also been reversed so as to appear normal in the flipped film.

#344. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 19, 2008 9:52 AM

@Cecil-Rose #344:

I agree with you - they are meticulous with their post production, but no-one is perfect. They have made some minor gaffs in the past. i.e.; in "Catch-22" when Desmond and Hurley are asking Jack for the first aid kit, they show Desmond with the kit hanging from his shoulder as Hurley nervously explains to Jack why he's hanging out with Desmond, then as the camera cuts away to them leaving the bag is clearly in Desmond's hand with the strap wrapped around the palm and then he hangs it on his shoulder. A very small continuity error, but it happens. Then there are the magically changing appliances in the swan hatch during season 2. I'm just saying that as meticulous as they are they can still make mistakes. I have a HD DVR and an HDTV, I'll check it out tonight and let you all know.

#345. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 19, 2008 10:03 AM

According to several other Lost fan sites (no I am not a traitor, just a surfer for knowledge!), one of our beloved Lost characters DIES somewhere b/n Ep. 4 and 8 of this season. Wanna bet on who...wagers anyone?

POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently, one of these 7 will join Paulikki, Charlie (God rest his soul) Eko, etc............. So, stop reading now (scroll down fast) if you don't want to know who is on the list as a possibility.

Sawyer (and if it is, I might just stop watching. Well, at least consider it anyway).

Claire (might present a problem with who would become responsible for Aaron, so doubt it is her)

Sun (guess that would mean no baby Jins/Suns and killing off a pregnant woman might be going too far and could alter the whole PG-women can give birth off-island but not on theory)

Jin (his story and air time has been very, very thin lately...)

Des (not likely b/c of the whole Penny/search thing that is still unresolved)

Juliet (guess that would take care of that side of the love triangle)

Daniel (if so, then the scene with him and his caregiven was definitely a flash-back. Would be a shame b/c his quirkiness is a great addition to the show).

My (imaginary) $ is on Jin.

#346. Posted by: GatorGal at February 19, 2008 10:51 AM

→ 346. Posted by: GatorGal

What website are you refering to?

#347. Posted by: AC at February 19, 2008 11:00 AM

Hi Mac and everyone, nice to have Lost back, if ever so fleeting. Mac, I really dig your new consolidated format, thanks. I haven't read everything yet, but I'd just like to say that if Sayid has truly moved to the dark side, I might be done with Lost. So my theories are: 1) the future isn't written yet, and this future reality will not actually happen...the Losties somehow change the future, or 2) Ben has somehow brainwashed Sayid. I much prefer my theory number 1. :)

#348. Posted by: silkyway at February 19, 2008 11:31 AM

I think that everything in the future flashes will eventually happen and the events on the island will determine what will happen in the future flashes. I don't understand why people want to look into it deeper than that. I think the intriguing thing is the fact that we have to accept that the events which happen in the future flashes are a result of the consequences of the actions of others on the island. It seems too ridiculous to have flash forwards/flash backs/ middle-of-the-roads. Sayid is working for Ben for some reason its a fact. The last minute revealed a tremendous amount of information that will be revealed to us shortly. Sayid hates Ben's guts in the present whereas in the future flash he is working for him albeit resentfully. Something major happened between the two. The contrasts in their relationship was deliberatley pointed out to us for some reason. Something happened and I cnnot wait to find out what that something is!
I am really enjoying this season. It's been fantastic and there are so many twists and turns and scary going ons. And Mac your reviews are hilarious as ever!

#349. Posted by: AC at February 19, 2008 12:01 PM

4-3 (74) The Economist

Sayid, Benjamin
Entwined by what principle?
Benjamin, Sayid

#350. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 19, 2008 2:46 PM

"The Economist" Haiku (v2.3):

Miles The New Sawyer,
Sayid Sells His Soul To Ben,
Kate Will Sell Hers Too.

#351. Posted by: DocH at February 19, 2008 3:07 PM

My money is also on Jin. I think he's going to be the next one who bites it.

#352. Posted by: marlisa at February 19, 2008 3:09 PM

I'm not saying it won't happen, but it seems we have had the "Jin is going to die next" conversation several times. I don't know if the writers will kill off that many more main characters. I think the writers will be careful becuase of the past DUI=dying accusations.

#353. Posted by: Raider at February 19, 2008 3:58 PM

@352/marlisa

But then who's gonna bite Sun?!?

#354. Posted by: PreacherOnun at February 19, 2008 4:06 PM

Even though I'm an animal lover I'm gonna have to put my money on Vincent. Hate to see him go but c'mon, how many more times is he gonna come trotting out of the jungle and put on a Lassie imitation.

#355. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 19, 2008 4:30 PM

@ AC: (sorry for the delay in response -- was at work). Anyway, I've seen this info (one of these 7 will die stuff) on the following sites:

spoilerslost(dot)blogspot(dot com)
lostreview (dot) com

BTW, one of the seven has been removed as a consideration...don't vist those sites if you don't want to know.

Also, I TOTALLY agree with your philosophy/post #349.

#356. Posted by: GatorGal at February 19, 2008 4:40 PM

Has anyone considered that the main character that is kicking the bucket might not be doing said kicking on the island. Does anyone think it's possible that the creators of the show have decided to have a little fun with us and off one of the main characters during a Flashforward? That way the character could still be around since they aren't supposed to die until the future? It would also add that extra element of suspense, we'd be on the edge of our seats to see if he/she survives at the end of the series based on choices made.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my achin' head ;-(

#357. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 19, 2008 5:03 PM

I always thought that would be Ben in the coffin. Friend or family? Neither. It makes (some) sense.

But now that he seems to be ALWAYS in control, I'm having some doubts.
Well, everybody thinks that Jason Bourne dies in the end and he survives, so...

Besides, Jack doesn't look into the coffin. And if it was really Benry he would want to see it, right? If he wasn't on drunk mode... aargh!

We'll have to wait and see. God help us!

#358. Posted by: PreacherOnun at February 19, 2008 6:25 PM

I'm always up for a Lost gathering, Trinity!

#359. Posted by: FenwayBen at February 19, 2008 10:37 PM

I think that would be brilliant to have a death take place in a flash-forward. I think the character can still do a lot on the island, and it may add to it much like the opening line to the movie 'American Beauty'.

I still want to piece together the time-line of flash-forwards. Hurley's is obviously before JAcks and probably a couple months after they returned. Who knows when Sayid's takes place, or how long until Jack's takes place.

Actually going back to the "is it 2004 or 2007?" issue, since Jack has a razor phone and a full beard, which takes years to grow, they probably returned to L.A. in early 2005. So I don't see why the freighties would be from the far future. Though they still might be from the not so distant future.

#360. Posted by: callaway76 at February 19, 2008 11:14 PM

ref: 360. Posted by: callaway76
... since Jack has a razor phone and a full beard, which takes years to grow,

---
My spouse could grow a beard like Jack's in just two months. (I mean before she started hormone therapy for menopause last year... nuk-nuk-nuk).

#361. Posted by: MorBid0 at February 20, 2008 12:14 AM

@345 Mister_Grimm

Actually - there have been several continuity "mistakes" in lost. I know of at least one site that documents this.

Damn - I feel like I just confessed about my other lady friend, but won't reveal her name!

#362. Posted by: shikotee at February 20, 2008 2:01 AM

Hi guys! Late to the party as usual. Being in France, we have to wait until Saturday for *coughs* the episodes to upload on cyberspace. By then there's usually at least 150 posts. Then I have to read all the posts, etc.

Mac, loved your "pause" in the recap, followed by, "deep breath, moving on." LOL, I fell out of my chair!

I just have a couple of comments after listening to the first official podcast from "Darlton" who confirm that Kate IS one of Oceanic Six. Wow!

They also say that for those of wondering how a polar bear ended up in the desert in Tunisia, we should watch the Orchid video. So all of us who speculated on the connection were right! Hooray for us!

All information recently given points to an obvious time abnormality. But we don't have enough information. The thing that bothers me about the Daniel Faraday reveal, is that he uses two clocks that have already passed through the islands "atmosphere" his own watch and the one on the rocket. I want to know what time it is on the freighter.

Absent knowing the time on the freighter, if we don't know how long Faraday has been on the island, we can't use his reveal to learn more about the anomaly. It just shows that since Faraday landed and since the rocket landed there is a time difference of 31 minutes. Grrrr!

Since we now know that Kate is revealed to be one of the Six, the next epi should be very interesting. Also, on the podcast they said the ending to this epi would be big.

Thanks everyone for all your wonderful posts, and to Mac for stimulating us. I love this blog!

#363. Posted by: En Provence at February 20, 2008 5:04 AM

Anyone think Kate will kidnap baby Aaron, when they come to be rescued and claim to be Claire when they get off the island? which would postpone the going back to prison for a while? And would be also relevent with her comment at the end of season three, "I have to go, He needs me"?

Great Review Mac!

#364. Posted by: LockenLoad at February 20, 2008 6:22 AM

Anyone think Kate will kidnap baby Aaron so when they come to be rescued she claims to be Claire when they get off the island? Which would postpone the going back to prison for a while and would be also relevant with her comment at the end of season three, "I have to go, He needs me"?

Great Review Mac!

#365. Posted by: LockenLoad at February 20, 2008 6:23 AM

@ Mr. Grimm: my thoughts exactly! Wouldn't that be wild if say, for example, Sun makes it off the island but dies in a complicated childbirth!

Other:
My $ is still on Michale in the coffin
Also, still betting that the "him" that Kate referred to during her encounter with Jack is a baby/child and not a lover/hubby. Guess we'll see tomorrow night!

Hey -- isn't this a record for us....366 posts?

#366. Posted by: GatorGal at February 20, 2008 7:22 AM

@366 GatorGal Asked:

>Hey -- isn't this a record for us....366 posts?


Not even close.

S-3
Through the Looking Glass 663
Greatest Hits 411
Man Behind the curtain 544
The Brig 429

S-2
Live Together, Die Alone 362
Three Minutes 368

Between Seasons
Random Topics 467

It's certainlly a record by far for only the third show of a season

S-1-3 Walkabout 3
S-2-3 Orientation 126
S-3-4 Further Instructions 332

Number of posts seems to build up toward the end of a season as the show builds up to blockbuster episodes, but this season seems to have hit the ground running on both a show-dramatic basis and a fan excitement basis.


#367. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 20, 2008 10:11 AM

I'm assuming Dan has been on the island long enough that his clock has slowed to island time whereas the clock from the rocket just arrived and would still reflect the time on the freighter. Just a thought...

Could be Ben in the coffin if Sayid's flashforward takes place significantly before Jack's...

Love the idea that Frank is talking about the 2007 Sox and Jack is talking about 2004...

BTW--All the Red Sox love is making me ill! Not that I'm much of a Yankee fan but I like just about every other team but the Sox. So when it comes to the rivalry, I definitely fall into the Yankee camp! Here's to another 80+ years between Sox championships! We'll just load all our Yanks up with HGH--we'll be unbeatable!

#368. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at February 20, 2008 10:30 AM

Hey -- isn't this a record for us....366 posts?

→ 366. Posted by: GatorGal

Hey, its a record for this season! And theres more to come!

Btw GatorGal i couldnt look at the website you refered too, although i was so intrigued when you first mentioned it, my conscience wouldnt let me find out who may or may not die!

I think it could be Ben or Locke thats in the coffin. Someone who would make Jack feel guilty for leaving the island. Ben already has people wanting to kill him and Locke just might get shot in his other kidney!

#369. Posted by: AC at February 20, 2008 12:08 PM

The time difference between the two clocks happened becauce of a glitch in the timeline cause by the magnetic anomoly surrounding the island. There is no way the rocket had enough fuel to fly an additional 31 minutes. It could reach geosynchronous orbit in that amount of time. The time delay when passing through the magnetic bubble happens instantaneously.

The magnetic anomoly that was kept under control by Des entering the numbers allowed for some reduction of the magnetic field allowed for some controlled acces to the island. When the numbers were not entered (purple sky incident), it was no longer as easy to reach the island. Ben incouraged the losties to not enter the numbers, knowing that it would secure the island.

Just a thought,

GRAA Mac

#370. Posted by: Glen at February 20, 2008 12:46 PM

SO MANY QUETIONS ....ITS HURTING MY BRAIN....whatever happened to the rest of the others? the kidnap-walt-twins for example, the black-white eyeballs, Who are the two corpses in the caves?Who or what is the whispering?What are the numbers - 4 8 15 16 23 42why would the word "Quarantine" be written only on the inside of the hatch?Why do images appear within the monster?Who dropped the rations onto the island? Why?are Rose and locke really healed?Why is there a giant foot from a statue on the island? Why does it have only four toes?Why did the smoke monster kill Eko?What is the metaphorical box Ben spoke of?# Why has Richard apparently not aged since he first met Ben?
# Who or what is Jacob?
# Why does Jacob want Locke to help him? To what end?
# What happened to Annie?
# Why couldn't the hostiles and DHARMA co-exist? # Whose funeral did Jack go to?
# Who was Naomi working for?

# Who is the "he" Kate is talking about?# Why was Daniel so affected by the news of the discovery of Oceanic 815?
# Why did Frank not pilot Oceanic 815 on the day of the crash? ;;;;;;;;;;crash game over !

#371. Posted by: CORROMO at February 20, 2008 1:58 PM

Gee, I hadn't thought of any of those questions....nor had I taken any time to figure out if at least 40% of them have already been answered. Brilliant!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

#372. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 20, 2008 2:14 PM

Thanks, Cecil Rose. I guess we are a bunch of Lost addicts, aren't we? Those numbers of posts are astounding. Thanks for that 9and for the entertaining haikus, too :)

#373. Posted by: GatorGal at February 20, 2008 2:15 PM

If the 'He' that Kate is referring to is a child, then who is watching him? Also, why would he be wondering where she is unless he's already to the toddler stage.

Not that my boys didn't miss me as infants but they're a lot less picky about who's holding them.

Probably completely irrelevant, maybe future rich Kate has a nanny.

#374. Posted by: EthansGirl at February 20, 2008 2:29 PM

Finally watched the episode today . . . .

wow.

What can I say that hasn't already been said 189 times over 375 posts? . .


nada.


(RedNeckMan . . (In my best Father-to-Son-Voice) . . come on, let's be nice to CORROMO . . I think he's a new guy . .and we were ALL new guys once . . Remember, "politeness makes the man" . . )

:-)

DRH

#375. Posted by: dholsinger at February 20, 2008 2:40 PM

Whoops. Put in wrong blogname. Sorry.

#376. Posted by: davidrh at February 20, 2008 2:44 PM

I bet the "he" Kate refers to is Ben.

It refers back to the beach lunch scene after Kate's capture by the Others.

#377. Posted by: welh at February 20, 2008 2:45 PM

Yeah, be nice to the new guys. I remember my first hesitant posts (to the S-2 Finale) and how intimidated I felt to be adding my words to all those really knowledgable people out there... So sure they'd reject me.

To mac's credit he's maintained a really friendly and welcoming place here, not least because of the nice people his style and manner have attracted:

.......YOU ALL, EVERYBODY!

#378. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 20, 2008 3:36 PM

What...are you telling me there have been some new Lost episodes lately??????

;o)

GAFRAM! Ah hell, do I even remember what that stands for anymore? Let's see, um, Great And Funny Review Again Mac. I will say that as always you haven't sacrificed quality with your less quantity.

As far as the ending Ben voice thing goes, it was just a means for the show to keep us guessing who it was until the last possible second...I thought it was a bit cheesy, but my eyes still popped outta my head. Just like Ben's.

Looks to me like Jack won't find out that Claire and Aaron are 1/2 sister & 1/2 nephew before he leaves the island. I wish they would somehow work that into the story soon. Just not cool to reveal that little tidbit and then leave it hanging for so long.

#379. Posted by: JoePike at February 20, 2008 3:56 PM

I haven't seen any comment on the money in the drawer in Ben's secret room. It not only looked to me like it was from different countries, but from different *times*.

Here's a screen cap of the money drawer:

http://www*docarzt*com/lost-easter-eggs/lost-easter-egg-403-funny-mone*php

Anybody know when the Bank of England issued a 20-pound note with Michael Faraday's picture one it?

#380. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 20, 2008 4:02 PM

One more thing. The fact that Miles is a 'ghost whisperer' means that he may be able to give insight into the jungle whispers, or maybe even Jacob if he can get close enough. Assuming they are on another plane of existence or something.

I don't think they would've given Miles that character trait if they weren't going to do something cool and island related with it. (Other than having him communicate with dead Naomi's spirit to verify the Lostie's story about how she croaked.)

#381. Posted by: JoePike at February 20, 2008 4:04 PM

Answering my own question:

From a couple of Bank of England and numismatist fact sheets:

Apparently the Michael Farady twenty pound note was introduced in 1990 and replaced in 2003, so those could be currently-circulated notes.

#382. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 20, 2008 4:08 PM

* * * POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW * * *

@382 JoePike said:

>One more thing. The fact that Miles is a 'ghost whisperer' means that he may be able to give insight into the jungle whispers, or maybe even Jacob if he can get close enough. Assuming they are on another plane of existence or something.

Assuming the "whisper transcripts" posted in various places on the net are accurate (gleaned by people with better audio equipment than me), the whispers seem to be those of neutral observers watching the island goings-on. And some even seem to be the voice of departed persons (i.e. Boone). One of the more intriguing mysteries I'm counting on Cuze and Lindleof to eventually enlighten us on.

>I don't think they would've given Miles that character trait if they weren't going to do something cool and island related with it. (Other than having him communicate with dead Naomi's spirit to verify the Lostie's story about how she croaked.)

Personally I can't wait until he walks across Paolikki's grave and says "Uh-oh" in the presence of Sawyer and Hurley.

#383. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 20, 2008 4:17 PM

**** Possible Spoiler *****

(though not really, because I'm just guessing)

re: guess of future death

If the speculation is true that death is coming, my guess would be Claire.

Her character has been dead weight for ages, especially in season 3 - always in the background - nothing else. I suppose they could explore her reaction to the loss of Charlie, but it seems like there are so many more interesting things to do in the show. Maybe the actress herself is bored and annoyed with being reduced to fifth business?

If not Claire, my 2nd guess would be Jin? I just can't see this happening though - not yet at least! I think we will find out that Sun's dad is involved with things (freighter, Dharma, Economist?), and Jin will be around for that.

No way that they would off Sawyer - too popular and interesting to the fans.

I can't see Desmond getting whacked either - I'm sure we have more in store regarding Penny.

#384. Posted by: shikotee at February 20, 2008 4:27 PM

@384. Posted by: Cecil Rose

re: Paolikki's grave

That is so funny!

Great observation too - Miles might be able to better understand the whisperings, or better yet, communicate with dead people on the island.

He doesn't seem to have his vacuum/ghostbuster equipment!

What would his reaction be if Locke brought him to the mass grave from the Purge?

#385. Posted by: shikotee at February 20, 2008 4:36 PM

@379 posted by Cecil Rose.
...YOU ALL, EVERYBODY!

Perfect! You, Cecil Rose, are one entertaining and articulate guy (that was NOT a political assessment). Thanks for all your insights.

I, too, wondered if Kate's "he" might be Aaron. I won't be unhappy if Claire is voted off the island...and in the coffin, which is why Kate wouldn't go to the funeral, if she now has Aaron. I realize that makes no sense, really. I'm just getting giddy waiting for Thurs night and can't think straight.

#386. Posted by: lovelost at February 20, 2008 7:39 PM

25.5 until Ben, oops I mean, until "the list" men..lol... purely a slip up, red....neck...man :)

@samfin...yup, I am "celebratin'" again tomorrow is Lost, so we all should!!!

I may belate to the party and all tomorrow, yet I'm still MIF!!!

'm up for a Lost reunion. I suggest ahotel somewhere in NC and we all show up under secret Lost nicknames...:)

#387. Posted by: meg at February 20, 2008 7:42 PM

→ 387... wondered if Kate's "he" might be Aaron. I won't be unhappy if Claire is voted off the island...and in the coffin...
______
Wow, if it is Aaron, then I fully expect Bens' alter ego, "Chuckie" the evil slasher puppet to pop out of the smallish coffin and murder grieving Jack. After that I can head for my safe, get my .44 revolver out, then see how rounds I can get into my cranium before the sweet relief sets in.
______


kidding folks
...
sarcasm
...
its a .38 revolver

#388. Posted by: RAP-A-HO TRIBE at February 20, 2008 8:41 PM

One more thought regarding the Sayid and Ben partnership...

However it is formed, it is safe to assume that Jack is not aware of it?

Doesn't crazy drugged and boozed up Jack want to return to the island? If he knew that Ben was running a vet store, he'd certainly hit it up for some Dog tranqs, and some info!

#389. Posted by: shikotee at February 20, 2008 8:56 PM

Why doesn't any of the Losties
ask or question what the day or date is.
Maybe not as soon as rescue arrives, but you would think at some point they would be curious.
It's not like they have a calender to mark the days off.

#390. Posted by: D. Jazz at February 20, 2008 9:10 PM

Great Review Mac....Thank you.

So many great thoughts I only have a silly bit to add. The organization and oddness of Bens secret room was spooky. He had his shirts, shoes and pants color coordinated. Everything was very OCD, and did he not leave his home in a hurry to escape the gas? Why still so clean in the house?

#391. Posted by: Dakota at February 20, 2008 9:21 PM

Sorry about the double post :)

#392. Posted by: Dakota at February 20, 2008 9:29 PM

FYI as to the relation between the Orchid video and what may be going on in light of Dan "the nutty professor" Faraday (from Wikipedia):

Casimir effect and wormholes

Exotic matter with negative energy density is required to stabilize a wormhole.[6] Morris, Thorne and Yurtsever[7] pointed out that the quantum mechanics of the Casimir effect can be used to produce a locally mass-negative region of space-time, and suggested that negative effect could be used to stabilize a wormhole to allow faster than light travel

Now what is "faster than light travel" you ask (also from Wikipedia):

(...)what some physicists refer to as "apparent" or "effective" FTL[1][2][3][4] is the hypothesis that unusually distorted regions of spacetime might permit matter to reach distant locations faster than light taking the "normal" route (though not faster than light moving through the distorted region). Apparent FTL is not excluded by general relativity. Examples of apparent FTL proposals are the Alcubierre drive and the traversable wormhole(...)

Hmm, traversable wormhole (still Wikepedia...):

Wormholes and faster-than-light travel

Special relativity only applies locally. Wormholes allow superluminal (faster-than-light) travel by ensuring that the speed of light is not exceeded locally at any time. While traveling through a wormhole, subluminal (slower-than-light) speeds are used. If two points are connected by a wormhole, the time taken to traverse it would be less than the time it would take a light beam to make the journey if it took a path through the space outside the wormhole. However, a light beam traveling through the wormhole would always beat the traveler. As an analogy, running around to the opposite side of a mountain at maximum speed may take longer than walking through a tunnel crossing it. You can walk slowly while reaching your destination more quickly because the length of your path is shorter.

Sorry for the x-long post but I found this info pretty interesting...

#393. Posted by: One of the Six at February 20, 2008 11:22 PM

Sorry, I ment to say "in light of Dan "the nutty professor" Faraday's EXPERIMENT".

The post makes more sense now (to me anyway)

#394. Posted by: One of the Six at February 20, 2008 11:27 PM

Whoops. Put in wrong blogname. Sorry.
→ 376. Posted by: davidrh at February 20, 2008 02:44 PM

Who are you really? Is davidrh your real name? Get Sayid for some 'truth'! :)

#395. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at February 20, 2008 11:51 PM

→ 393
re: Casimir effect and wormholes.

Shucks, I was just gonna say that.

"Wormholes for Dummies" (me)

To dumb it down.
Light about 186K miles per second, all energy.
A wormhole, so much gravity light can't escape.

Example: You drive 100 mph (Spd of Lt)indicated, up an icy slope (all energy), yet you actually slide backwards at 30 mph (you can't escape).
You spin around as you hit the intersection (wormhole) and head out into the non-icy flats, instantaneously accelerating to 130 mph, a.k.a. faster than light.
- - - -
My 12 y.old 'splained it to me.

#396. Posted by: DocH at February 21, 2008 1:37 AM

*** Possible Spoils ***

In their first official podcast of the season, Damon & Carlton confirm that there was a time fluctuation with the rocket. They also recommended a viewing of "the Orchid" video that is flying around on the internet, to explain how a Dharma polar bear could be found in Tunisia.

They seemed to suggest that the Orchid video would be seen in an episode at some point - at least that's how I interpreted it.

re: Casmir effect and wormhole

I wonder if this has something to do with the magic box that brought Locke's dad?

#397. Posted by: shikotee at February 21, 2008 9:14 AM

Here's a link to the Orchid orientation video:

http://tinyurl.com/ytucak

One word: Aweeeeesome.

#398. Posted by: mac at February 21, 2008 9:30 AM

Scary Thought #815:

What if Ben impregnated/artificially inseminated Kate during that mystery handcuff session on the beach and the "him" that Kate is referring to in the future is a child but not Sawyer's...Ben's! C-R-E-E-P-Y...

#399. Posted by: GatorGal at February 21, 2008 9:36 AM

I rewatched the episode last night in preparation for tonight.

I was struck also by all the money/passports that Ben had (1962? I don't think so....). Anyhoo - wasn't Ben a TSA agent at LAX in Locke's 'Boone Dream'? Also the picture that Miles had looked like it was taken at an airport.

It seems that as a TSA agent you would have secure access to areas that others might not.

Also, when Naomi parachuted into the tree branch (which should have killed her, but Patchy to the rescue!) she was speaking several languages (portuguese? russian?) Whoever The Economist is is multi-lingual.

Still trying to sort it out.

#400. Posted by: EthansGirl at February 21, 2008 9:47 AM

@CORROMO #371
Q: Whatever happened to the rest of the others?
A: Ben instructed them to continue on to the “Temple” at the end of season 3.
Q: The black-white eyeballs?
A: I don’t remember any Black-White eyeballs, but the glass eye found in the arrow hatch was believed to belong to Mikhail, although that was never confirmed.
Q: Who are the two corpses in the caves?
A: At this point their identity is still unknown.
Q: Who or what is the whispering?
A: At this point the source of the whispers is still unkown, but the creators of the show have stated that the whispers will be answered by the end of the show.
Q: What are the numbers - 4 8 15 16 23 42?
A: The numbers are a part of the Valenzetti equation. The equation predicts the extinction of the human race. The Dharma Initiative was attempting to change one of the core values (the numbers) in the equation to save the human race from extinction.
Q: Why would the word "Quarantine" be written only on the inside of the hatch?
A: To warn the inhabitants of the hatch that the outside was contaminated with an infectious disease. This has not been fully explained or explored as to what the actual disease was or if it really ever existed.
Q: Why do images appear within the monster?
A: It is currently believed that the monster can “scan” a persons mind and the image we see flashing inside of it are representative of the “scan”.
Q: Who dropped the rations onto the island?
A: Although not yet confirmed, it is believed that the Hanso Foundation or Widmore Labs continues to make the food drops.
Q: Are Rose and Locke really healed?
A: Yes. Rose’s cancer is in full remission and Locke’s paralysis is completely healed.
Q: Why is there a giant foot from a statue on the island? Why does it have only four toes?
A: Currently unknown – however I believe that the answer will come in a Richard Alpert Flashback episode – if there is one.
Q: Why did the smoke monster kill Eko?
A: There are many theories regarding this topic. The most popular being that Eko wasn’t repentant and the smoke monster thought he should be. Why the smoke monster would want Eko to be repentant is uknown.
Q: What is the metaphorical box Ben spoke of?
A: The island itself is the metaphorical box.
Q: Why has Richard apparently not aged since he first met Ben?
A: The most popular theory is that Richard is immortal because he is an original inhabitant of the island. Another theory states that he was on the “Black Rock” when it shipwrecked and has been on the island so long that the healing properties of the island have stopped his aging.
Q: Who or what is Jacob?
A: Currently unknown, I do believe we’ll have more information about who and what Jacob is by the middle of next season.
Q: Why does Jacob want Locke to help him? To what end?
A: Currently unknown, but it is thought that Jacob wants Locke’s help because he feels that Ben has lost his focus.
Q: What happened to Annie?
A: We haven’t been told or shown what happened to Annie, but I think I can make a fairly good guess. Annie and Ben became involved (don’t know if they actually got married or not) and Annie got pregnant. She died during childbirth, or prior to it, and that is what started Ben on his obsessive path to fix what was happening to the pregnant women on the island.
Q: Why couldn't the hostiles and DHARMA co-exist?
A: The exact reasons are un-known at this time. Some people believe that DHARMA was experimenting on the hostiles, others believe that the island instructed the hostiles to stop DHARMA because it didn’t want them there.
Q: Whose funeral did Jack go to?
A: Currently unknown – some believe it’s Michael.
Q: Who was Naomi working for?
A: She was working directly for Mr. Abaddon, it is unknown who Mr. Abaddon works for.
Q: Who is the "he" Kate is talking about?
A: Currently unknown – some theories think it is either Aaron or Sawyer. I think we’ll find out tonight.
Q: Why was Daniel so affected by the news of the discovery of Oceanic 815?
A: His reaction hasn’t been explained yet.
Q: Why did Frank not pilot Oceanic 815 on the day of the crash?
A: I’m guessing he was pretty drunk and they pulled him off the flight roster.

#401. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 21, 2008 9:56 AM

@Mister_Grimm: Great post! I'm sure CORROMO and others will find it very helpful!

#402. Posted by: mac at February 21, 2008 10:02 AM

Apologies for the superlong post above.

#403. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 21, 2008 10:07 AM

thanks mac...just rub it in why don'tcha?!?!!? lol

#404. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 21, 2008 10:51 AM

@RNM -- nothin' but love for you! You know it!

#405. Posted by: mac at February 21, 2008 10:53 AM

LOVEFEST ALERT! LOVEFEST ALERT!

#406. Posted by: davidrh at February 21, 2008 1:17 PM

Sayid could not have been working for Ben before the island...why would he have asked for a map to his balloon when he was still Henry Gale to us all...then freaked on Benry when they returned to the hatch to announce Ben is not Henry.

#407. Posted by: CC at February 21, 2008 1:49 PM

→ 407. Posted by: CC

Yeah i agree with you. You are making sense! We've yet to see how they form that beautiful friendship.

#408. Posted by: AC at February 21, 2008 2:01 PM

There is a Must-Read article that just got posted over at ew(dot)com (see the "Today's Most Popular" stories in bottom left; the "Lost mind-blowing scoop" is #1). It is an interview with Cuse and Lindelof and several things are revealed as well as debunked.

Here are some things we can stop theorizing about:

- the Mobisodes and the Orchid Video are cannon (i.e. official and accurate to the story). The online videogame is not.

- there is no connection (repeat, NO connection) b/n Elsa's and Naomi's bracelets. It was just meant to be a "cool emotional touchpoint" for Sayid.

- Flash Forwards are always in chronological order. So the killing on the golf course, for example, did NOT happen after the Elsa shooting incident.

- The show is NOT dealing with alternative realities. Producers have an "anti -paradox" rule and what they present to the audience is factual. They explain that FFs are the future and NOT simply possibilities of the future.

There is much more in terms of what is coming up trhough the remainder of this season as well as what is coming in S-5, so go read the article if you want to know. I am always hesitant about spoiling things for those that don't want to know a darn thing before they actually see it!

#409. Posted by: GatorGal at February 21, 2008 2:19 PM

@Mac/402: "@Mister_Grimm: Great post! I'm sure CORROMO and others will find it very helpful!"

People like me found it helpful, too! I've been watching the show since the day the pilot aired, but still it's nice to see everything spelled out for you like that, rather than having to surmise and hope other people agree with your theories.

@Gator Gal/409: I'm heading right over to that article! (picture tracks in the dirt and a cloud of dust from me dashing over there road runner style)

#410. Posted by: Trinity at February 21, 2008 3:01 PM

I'd like to see if Mister_Grimm can answer this for us all.......

Who is laffo?

#411. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 21, 2008 3:15 PM

@RNM #411:

Iaffo is Iaffa's fraternal twin brother ;-)

#412. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 21, 2008 3:22 PM

On a somewhat seperate but show oriented note: is anyone here a video gamer? Just curious if anyone is gonna buy the "Lost: Via Domus" video game. I'm picking it up next week for the PS3 - I think my geek factor just skyrocketed - LOL. The game takes place during seasons 1 & 2.

#413. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 21, 2008 3:26 PM

First post although I have been reading this blog for a couple of seasons. The Economist episode gave the most clues to date, so I have developed some off the wall theories. Hope you enjoy them!
If I'm right (although probably not) they could constitute spoilers, so I shall include the warning JIC.


***** SPOILERS *****


I think the island's big secret is that it drifts about in time. Dharma's interest in the island is entirely financial. An island drifting randomly about in time isn't very useful, but supposing you could go in and install lots of bunkers and concrete and electromagnetic gadgetry to anchor it, say a week ahead of real time. Imagine the billions that could be made on the stock market! The hatch accident has removed the anchor, so it is starting to drift again and it is accelerating.

That brings me to Sayid and Ben. Sayid would only work for Ben in exceptional circumstances. After all he said the day he trusted Ben would be the day he sold his soul. I think Ben and Sayid jump off-island in one of its backwards drifts, so Sayid is busy working for Ben BEFORE the crash - presumably eliminating the people responsible for engineering the crash, thereby saving his friends. Sayid announcing himself as a survivor of Oceanic 815 to the guy on the golf course would naturally scare him if he was involved in a plot to crash it.

Drifting about in time would help to explain some of the other anomalies as well, including the smoke monster. I have thought for some time that the smoke monster is a cloud of nanobots - anyone else read Michael Crichton's Prey? It can assume different shapes, can read people's memories, can heal illnesses and injuries (Locke and Rose), keep people young and fit (Richard) and can consume and destroy (Jacob and Rousseau's crew mates). My only problem was how did such an advanced technology arrive on our favourite island? Answer - in a future drift. Presumably the island picked up the people who built the four-toed statue and the Black Rock in one of its backwards meanderings. It picked up the people who engineered the nanobots on a future visit, then the nanobots got out of control (as in the book) and Jacob is the only survivor.

#414. Posted by: creenw at February 21, 2008 3:48 PM

@ 391 Dakota

"He had his shirts, shoes and pants color coordinated."

After re-watching the episode I noticed one other thing. Kate enters Ben's bedroom (with the hospital bed he was using for his post op recovery) and approaches the closet. She opens the closet doors and finds empty hangers. No clothes at all. Which begs the question, did Ben pack for the Others' trek across the island to the temple? I can't remember whether they were carrying luggage or not but somebody (Dharma Sherpas?) may be carrying some extra weight. This may prove insignificant but it struck me as odd on viewing number 2.

And Mister_Grimm, thanks for the FAQ. I do believe it deserves its own post on the site. Mac?

#415. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at February 21, 2008 3:54 PM

Read Prey too. Nanobots would answer alot, particularily the processing noises and images that are seen. As for how is got o nthe island, Dharma was there for all sorts of experiments, why couldn't one of them be nanotechnology.

Incidentally I looked at the hatch map the other day, we forget that the vents they thought smokey was travelling through were labeled "CV" as in Cerberus Vents. Abbadon...Cerberus...connection?

#416. Posted by: CC at February 21, 2008 4:08 PM

In the article from EW Cuse and Lindelof are calling the people from the Freighter "Freighter Folks", do we want to use this also?

#417. Posted by: micHael at February 21, 2008 4:51 PM

@Mister_Grimm

thanks alot buddy !

#418. Posted by: CORROMO at February 21, 2008 4:54 PM

Anytime CORROMO.

#419. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at February 21, 2008 5:07 PM

@399 Gator gal:What if Ben impregnated/artificially inseminated Kate during that mystery handcuff session on the beach and... the child... is Ben's!

ala the Exorcist. So maybe Ben is the devil, after all.

#420. Posted by: lovelost at February 21, 2008 5:10 PM

@409 GatorGal EXPOSITED:

>There is a Must-Read article that just got posted over at ew(dot)com (see the "Today's Most Popular" stories in bottom left; the "Lost mind-blowing scoop" is #1). It is an interview with Cuse and Lindelof and several things are revealed as well as debunked.

Thanks, GG, that was one interesting interview. Some very mildly spoilerish stuff if folks want to avoid that, but the major point for me was that the Find815 game is NOT canon, just an interesting run with one canonical fact - the finding of an 815 wreck in an improbable place. So I don't have to go all "Lost Experience" and track down everything there.

On the other hand MOBISODES are canon, which makes the last one even more interesting.

Woo hoo, four hours to another fix!

#421. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 21, 2008 5:18 PM

@409 GatorGal EXPOSITED:

>There is a Must-Read article that just got posted over at ew(dot)com (see the "Today's Most Popular" stories in bottom left; the "Lost mind-blowing scoop" is #1). It is an interview with Cuse and Lindelof and several things are revealed as well as debunked.

Thanks, GG, that was one interesting interview. Some very mildly spoilerish stuff if folks want to avoid that, but the major point for me was that the Find815 game is NOT canon, just an interesting run with one canonical fact - the finding of an 815 wreck in an improbable place. So I don't have to go all "Lost Experience" and track down everything there.

On the other hand MOBISODES are canon, which makes the last one even more interesting.

Woo hoo, four hours to another fix!

#422. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 21, 2008 5:19 PM

@416 CC said:

>Read Prey too. Nanobots would answer alot, particularily the processing noises and images that are seen...

A theory I liked a lot, too, except writer-producers Cuze and Lindelof say it's NOT nanobots.

#423. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 21, 2008 5:24 PM

I'm off to work and will miss watching Lost live tonight, if I don't put in my resignation. Please be thinking of me in my time of need. I'll see you all on the next thread.

#424. Posted by: Raider at February 21, 2008 5:33 PM

@416 CC

I think you are right about Abaddon (the destroyer) being the same as Cerberus (aka smokey). Several people noted that Abaddon looked smokey when visiting Hurley. One person even noted that when Jack visited Hurley he seemed to change from Abaddon in the previous frame.

Looks like smokey escaped the island along with (or disguised as one of) the Oceanic six and is now running amok amongst the general population. This explains Jack's downwards spiral through guilt and his wish to get back to the island (to take the monster back). It also explains the reappearance of Jack's dad as a successful surgeon (allowing smokey to easily infect other hosts?).

I would not be surprised if, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, Ben IS one of the good guys and is trying to prevent the monster from escaping the island.

#425. Posted by: creenw at February 21, 2008 5:39 PM

Ok, it's getting close to show time which means the fodder from the previous week is waning but the giddiness factor is climbing.

So here's to grasping at straws...

I did some anagramming on Frank Lapidus and came up with not so much ( I posted it last week.) So, instead, I thought I'd try "helicopter pilot."

The best I came up with is "Triplet Lice Pooh" I'm sure it means something.

Later Raider (#424), we'll keep an unpatched eye open for ya. Meetcha on the Other side.

#426. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 21, 2008 6:04 PM

Cuze and Lindelof said they'd been urged to have a character "Frank Lapidus, Helicopter Pilot" which has entirely too many letters to anagram.

#427. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 21, 2008 6:21 PM

@427/Cecil Rose

I agree. Way too many. I did, however, come up with:

"Hi Pops, run alot - free cad kilt lip."

Oh well, back to the drawing board...

#428. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 21, 2008 6:44 PM

"The Economist" Haiku (v2.4):

Ben Holds Sayids Leash,
While Locke Holds Bens Leash For Now,
Jarrah Swings Both Ways.

#429. Posted by: DocH at February 21, 2008 6:58 PM

Lice Score (more commonly known as Cecil Rose) is obviously attempting to divert bcre8ve from discovering his secret identity... he IS Triplet Lice Pooh!

And bcre8ve uses that numeral to maintain his mystique and stymie any reverse anagramming. But you can’t hide forever, Verb-ec! I shall uncover your valency!

2 hours and counting...

#430. Posted by: Clementine at February 21, 2008 7:10 PM

Good try "Icemen Lent" but my valency is still intact. That's right "Cement Line", you may have uncovered "Ice Closer" but you will never unvalencify me!

6 minutes...

#431. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 21, 2008 8:53 PM

I was thinking that Ben's ' vet' clinic is not really that. Could he be 'experimenting' on those animals?

#432. Posted by: dumbi at February 21, 2008 10:18 PM

Well, it is Lent, but Val Kilmer I am not.

Tower, this is Ghost Rider requesting a flyby. That's a negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

Sorry, just trying to stay awake for Mac's recap.

I feel the need, the need for speed...

I really did see that movie about 1,000 times.

#433. Posted by: Clementine at February 21, 2008 10:37 PM

Looks like Claire is holding first place on the Dead Zone List.

#434. Posted by: davidrh at February 21, 2008 10:55 PM

Ok I need someone who seriously loves Lost and is willing to talk.

I LOVE, absolutely LOVE this show. I own all three seasons. Unfortunately, I cannot be, will never be that internet obsessive guy who knows all about the something equation, numbers, etc.

But here it is...I need someone to help me through the mysteries. I cannot except watching the show and not really understanding what it is I love so much.

I really cannot believe there will ever be another show on TV that can compare to Lost. I mean, imagine John Locke, after Boone dies, his flashback being his father screwing him after he gives his kidney and his only redemption being some fate on this island......

How can you not be emotionally involved.....

So, please, if you are truly in love with this show, and not some arrogant snob, please contact me and mentor me. I want to know what I don't know. I need to feel complete when this show wraps. I really believe that the writers know what they are doing, I just don't. Please write to me at londonmh@hotmail.com. This is serious, for real, I want a Lost buddy who can stay with me and will get me through the next 2 years. I really love Lost and want to end up with the final satisfaction of knowing what is supposed to be.

Sincerely,

Matt London

#435. Posted by: Matt London at February 21, 2008 11:20 PM

Ok I need someone who seriously loves Lost and is willing to talk.

I LOVE, absolutely LOVE this show. I own all three seasons. Unfortunately, I cannot be, will never be that internet obsessive guy who knows all about the something equation, numbers, etc.

But here it is...I need someone to help me through the mysteries. I cannot except watching the show and not really understanding what it is I love so much.

I really cannot believe there will ever be another show on TV that can compare to Lost. I mean, imagine John Locke, after Boone dies, his flashback being his father screwing him after he gives his kidney and his only redemption being some fate on this island......

How can you not be emotionally involved.....

So, please, if you are truly in love with this show, and not some arrogant snob, please contact me and mentor me. I want to know what I don't know. I need to feel complete when this show wraps. I really believe that the writers know what they are doing, I just don't. Please write to me at londonmh@hotmail.com. This is serious, for real, I want a Lost buddy who can stay with me and will get me through the next 2 years. I really love Lost and want to end up with the final satisfaction of knowing what is supposed to be.

Sincerely,

Matt London

#436. Posted by: Matt London at February 21, 2008 11:21 PM

Ok I need someone who seriously loves Lost and is willing to talk.

I LOVE, absolutely LOVE this show. I own all three seasons. Unfortunately, I cannot be, will never be that internet obsessive guy who knows all about the something equation, numbers, etc.

But here it is...I need someone to help me through the mysteries. I cannot except watching the show and not really understanding what it is I love so much.

I really cannot believe there will ever be another show on TV that can compare to Lost. I mean, imagine John Locke, after Boone dies, his flashback being his father screwing him after he gives his kidney and his only redemption being some fate on this island......

How can you not be emotionally involved.....

So, please, if you are truly in love with this show, and not some arrogant snob, please contact me and mentor me. I want to know what I don't know. I need to feel complete when this show wraps. I really believe that the writers know what they are doing, I just don't. Please write to me at londonmh@hotmail.com. This is serious, for real, I want a Lost buddy who can stay with me and will get me through the next 2 years. I really love Lost and want to end up with the final satisfaction of knowing what is supposed to be.

Sincerely,

Matt London

#437. Posted by: Matt London at February 21, 2008 11:21 PM

Kudos to everyone who guessed Kate would be taking care of Aaron. But why won't Jack see him. Is this before the beard or after?

Man I love this show. Getting the answers brings on more questions.

Oh yeah, Clementime, "I think she's lost that loving feeling"

#438. Posted by: One of the Six at February 21, 2008 11:40 PM

@CORROMO #371 & 401/Mister_Grimm
RE: "...the black-white eyeballs..."

In Season 1's "Raised by Another," Claire has a dream in which Locke says to her, "He (Aaron) is your responsibility, but you gave him away." Locke has the one black and one white eye.

#439. Posted by: bcre8ve at February 22, 2008 12:51 AM

@437 Matt:

But you've got hundreds of "Lost" buddies right here at your fingertips.

@430
Ten Lice Men
or - Cement Lein
or - Lenten Mice (we're giving up cats)

I prefer:

Soccer Lei
Core Slice
Close Rice

#440. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 22, 2008 1:34 PM

To 'One Of The Six'.....could it be that Jack won't see Kate's baby because he thinks it is Sawyer's?

#441. Posted by: dumbi at February 22, 2008 8:45 PM

RNMiL....woohoo!!

#442. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at February 25, 2008 11:44 AM

If Kate is raising Aaron, would that not make him one of the Oceanic 6 as a survivor?

Could Charles Widmore be the one behind the Dharma Initiative and out to get Ben for his part in sabotaging it?

#443. Posted by: LostLover at February 25, 2008 4:49 PM

If Kate is raising Aaron, would that not make him one of the Oceanic 6 as a survivor?

Could Charles Widmore be the one behind the Dharma Initiative and out to get Ben for his part in sabotaging it?

#444. Posted by: LostLover at February 25, 2008 4:50 PM

RNMiL

it's like I'm FB'ing and posting

*cue nosebleed

#445. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 17, 2008 12:35 PM
#446. Posted by: ˮ at April 1, 2008 12:34 PM