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Lost Random Topic Thread: Spring '08 Edition

Got something to say that isn't "Lost" related? Post it below (just be nice ... the normal rules still apply).

"Don't forget to bring a towel!"

#1. Posted by: shikotee at April 11, 2008 10:52 AM

@ #1 shikotee

MIF ! Boy when she sobers up is she going to be mad !
;)

#2. Posted by: SamFin at April 11, 2008 11:18 AM

Mac,

We've talked about this...

It's ransom with an ess, not a dee...

#3. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 11, 2008 11:29 AM

I can out run all of you!

#4. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 11, 2008 11:31 AM

Here is a link to a "send-up" of LOST opening credits.

www.slashfilm.com/2008/04/08/the-lost-opening-what-if-jj-abrams-thought-like-everyone-else/

#5. Posted by: TanziTwo at April 11, 2008 11:33 AM

If a log falls in the woods, and no one else is around, does Smoky still hear it?

BTW...ILBLxoxo...I bet I could out run you if Smoky was behind me!

#6. Posted by: JoePike at April 11, 2008 11:47 AM

@6 / JoePike

Smokie "she's a girl you know"
would hear the tree fall before it fell.
but only if it felt like falling.

#7. Posted by: SamFin at April 11, 2008 11:56 AM

@ JoePike - 6
Maybe... but see... if smokey was chasing after you, and I was near you, then I'd be running from smokey too. Considering the fact that I would have to be near you in order for you to out run me. So I still think I'd out run you in that situation.

I'm ranked pretty high in the state I live in for track. (100-m sprints/dash)

And for your question:
Smokey would not still hear it. He is deaf, but he can detect movement, so he will notice it fall, but still not hear it.

#8. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 11, 2008 4:03 PM

I am the WALRUS ! ! ! KooKoo KaChoo ! ! !

#9. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at April 11, 2008 4:20 PM

The Fat man walks alone.

The eye is on the sparrow.

#10. Posted by: Mister_Grimm at April 11, 2008 4:21 PM

The cobra is a dangerous snake.

The eagle has landed.

#11. Posted by: shikotee at April 11, 2008 5:03 PM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx/8
"Smokey would not still hear it. He is deaf ..."

Yet Smokey seems to "hear" the sonic fence!

#12. Posted by: ealgumby at April 11, 2008 5:51 PM

The dog squats at midnight.

Little children laugh at "Calvaire."

#13. Posted by: ealgumby at April 11, 2008 7:02 PM

The belief is in your own precision

#14. Posted by: ealgumby at April 11, 2008 7:27 PM

The chicken is in the microwave.

The turkey is in the toaster oven.

As per DarkUFO, there will be a 3 part season finale (which will include an additional hour of programming).

May 15th - Finale, Part 1 (One hour)
May 29th - Finale, Parts 2 and 3 (Two hours)

No Lost in the intervening week (May 22nd), when the 2 hour finale of Grey's Anatomy will air.

The Frozen Donkey Wheel rotates at midnight.

#15. Posted by: Clementine at April 11, 2008 7:39 PM

@Clementine/15
"The Frozen Donkey Wheel rotates at midnight."

The Hold Steady rock.

#16. Posted by: ealgumby at April 11, 2008 7:54 PM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx/8
"I'm ranked pretty high in the state I live in for track. (100-m sprints/dash)"

I was too back in the day (200 was mine) ... did you ever try long jump? If not, put a couple low hurdles ten feet from the board as motivation and see how you do ... if good in the 100, I'll bet you can excel in LJ as well. If you can clear the hurdles, technique can come later ...

#17. Posted by: ealgumby at April 11, 2008 8:14 PM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx/8

Okay, thinking like a guy ... try one hurdle at eight feet first before ya hurt yourself.

#18. Posted by: ealgumby at April 11, 2008 8:21 PM

@ ealgumby - 17
I actually used to do long jump... But it kind of stopped after middle school. I wasn't TERRIBLE at it, but when I got to high school, there were so many other people that were so much better.

Freshmen year I did hurdles (100) and the 100. My coach told me I should stick to the 100 because that's what I was best at.

Our school is really competitive. There's always someone better. I guess it's like that everywhere though, so I shouldn't complain... even though I wasn't complaining, but you get my point.

And I was just guessing about the deaf thing... I couldn't think of anything else to say. (#12)

Ugh... ACT's tomorrow morning. I should probably sleep.

#19. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 11, 2008 10:07 PM

Fish don't fry in the kitchen,

And beans don't burn on the grill.

Took a whole lot of trying just to get up that hill.

#20. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at April 12, 2008 1:33 PM

A philosophical pair:

The chicken is in the egg.
The egg is in the chicken.

One of the following three French phrases was applied as a real code. Which phrase is it & for what event was it used?

*Par nuit tous les chats sont gris.
*Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne/ bercent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone.
*Grosse Corvette, petite quéquette.

#21. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 12, 2008 2:15 PM

@Alaïs_Longthought/21

"Chanson d'automne" (Verlaine) quote broadcast by BBC to alert the resistance prior to D-Day invasion (alternately, to spur resistance activity a few days before the invasion at the wrong location, to confuse the German defenses). The quote is actually from the slightly altered Charles Trenet song version of the poem.

Do I win a prize?

And exactly what message were you trying to send with the other two selections? Bet you don't think "Par nuit tous les quéquettes sont gris."

#22. Posted by: ealgumby at April 12, 2008 4:44 PM

→ 22. ealgumby:

Ding ding ding ding! Now I have to come up w/a prize...

As far as the combination of the other two French lines, let's not even go there. There are minors here. ; )

Now for something completely different: One person's idea of 110 of the best books ever written:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/04/06/nosplit/sv_classics06.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

I liked one of the comments following the article: That the best library is the one that one builds oneself.

#23. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 12, 2008 5:08 PM

What if D-O-G really spelled God?

"Whoa... thats deep Ogre."

- Revenge of the Nerds

#24. Posted by: Mr_Naysayer at April 13, 2008 12:46 AM

I can break dance. =]

#25. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 13, 2008 12:01 PM

I've been away from the blog (sick) for a few days, so eal beat me to it, but I immediately recognized the 'sad violins of autumn' quote, as most D-Day afficianados would.

#26. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 14, 2008 2:20 PM

@23 Alaïs_Longthought recommended:

?Now for something completely different: One person's idea of 110 of the best books ever written:

>http://www*telegraph*co*uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/04/06/nosplit/sv_classics06.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

Sadly, I've only read 22 of these among the 2,395 books I've read since the 10th grade. Many more are on my someday list. (Are there books in heaven? If not I'm not sure I want to go.)

#27. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 14, 2008 2:28 PM

→ 26 & 27. Cecil Rose: I'm sorry you haven't been feeling well...hope you're on the mend!

I agree w/your sentiment about heaven & books. It also reminds me of that classic Twilight Zone episode, about the man who finally had the time to read all the books he wanted (well, minus the broken glasses part).

"My library/Was dukedom large enough."
—Wm. Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act 1 scene 2

#28. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 14, 2008 2:44 PM

@ealgumby RE: Dog walking woes

Key Points from "Meet Kevin Johnson 546/553/555/ealgumby

Dude, I used to live - literally - just a couple of miles SW of you in the Wilde Lake area. I lived in Columbia, worked in Baltimore (Inner harbor) and spent most of my time in DC with college friends.

I echo your experience. Columbia is a nice area - for those of you out there not familiar with the area - the crime rate is very low, but the kids there remind me of Jamie Kennedy as B-Rad in "Malibu's Most Wanted." Sorry about your recent experiences. Small world, eh?

#29. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 14, 2008 4:55 PM

@bcre8ve/29
"Dude, I used to live - literally - just a couple of miles SW of you in the Wilde Lake area"

Then guessing you were either in the Lil' Pax loop or down by HR town center ... if the latter (small chance I know), you wouldn't have known a biker dude named "Fat Bob" (off Cedar Lane near 32), would you? Old friend of mine ...

"... the kids there remind me of Jamie Kennedy as B-Rad in 'Malibu's Most Wanted.'"

Exactly! Unfortunately, not a joke. I can intimidate some (most) of them with my theatrics, but probably not the next coming gen who just don't seem to GAS (hence the shooting). I know my Buford Pusser shtick as neighborhood protector carries just so much weight, and am expecting a confrontation soon. Have already been starting to get some occasional lip on my dog walks ... from little kids! This is no longer the Columbia you left ...

#30. Posted by: ealgumby at April 14, 2008 7:20 PM

@Cecil Rose/26

As an avid student of the era (I'm guessing) ... what do you think about the Battle of Kursk?

Not many people had even heard of the city/battle until the submarine sinking ... a crying shame ... not in terms of the politics behind it, but in terms of the absolute sacrifice/suffering that occured on both sides ... truly the most momentous battle in all of history (with apologies to D-Day dead and survivors ... my uncle was an Arizona survivor (died a few years back), and I thank God every day for the sacrifices our valiant men made in defense of our beloved country ... but this contribution to sacrifice simply cannot be ignored because it wasn't "ours." It was, in simple terms, the largest tank battle of all time, with conditions of brutality that mankind will hopefully never see again ...

Now, read the Chinese "Constitution" and see what you think about free trade with China ...

tinyurl.com/84ejb

Reagan saw fit to drive the Soviets into the ground financially (and "he" won!), and to this day we strangle impoverished communist Cuba ... yet we send BILLIONS of dollars (for corporate interests) into China, the nation that has according to its own "Constitution" ... "have thwarted aggression, sabotage and armed provocations by imperialists and hegemonists" and "The Chinese people must fight against those forces and elements, both at home and abroad, that are hostile to China's socialist
system and try to undermine it."

Wake up America! Who do the hell do you think the "imperialists and hegomonists" are! It's US! I find it astounding that we, as a nation, have "normal" relations with the one single entity on this planet that WILLINGY states as their goal to destroy us ... I am a liberal, but NOT a pacifist ... China has, and always has since 1949, been bent on destroying the Unites States of America! Are we so stupid!

I have elements in my neighborhood that want to undermine the nature of my community, and I fight them ... we have a NATION of over one billion (or at least their leaders) that want to undermine the nature of our country ... and yet we (corporate America) feed them money, to buy the bullets that will one day be put through our own heads ... STUPID!!!

Count your money now you AHs that deal with China today ... it will be taken from you tomorrow, you F'ing idiots!

No empire lasts ... and you are facilitating the ENEMY by dealing with China ... boycott the Olympics!

Ban me if you will mac, I have hopefully fulfilled my public service ...

#31. Posted by: ealgumby at April 14, 2008 8:21 PM

re@31. Posted by: ealgumby
------
I'll support the individual athlete that PERSONALLY chooses to boycott the games (for whatever reason).

I'll support the individual athlete that PERSONALLY chooses to attend the games (regardless of political pressures).

I will NOT support the government that prohibits its' individual athletes from attending the games, in order to exude political pressure.

The games are about athletic excellence - which knows no borders. Besides, you do your personal cause a better service when you go the bullies backyard and take a stand there, instead of staying in your own backyard and sulking.

#32. Posted by: TanziTwo at April 15, 2008 10:49 AM

ealgumby/TanziTwo:

I figure that the Chinese are becoming capitalists so fast they'll hesitate to become militaristic. Capitalists, despite all the leftist propaganda, prefer peace and profits.

If we can hold Olympics in Hitler's Berlin (1936 - only 3 years from the Anschluss) I guess we can stomach the far lest authoritarian and menacing Chinese.

If we're going to get in a race with anyone, economics is a vastly superior area that arms. The more someone has, the more they have to lose, which is why I think the Arab world is much more likely to be the source of security threats than the Chinese.

---

Ah, yes, Kursk. Read Marshal Zhukov's memoirs. I have/had a lot of respect for the Russian fighting in WW II. A few hundred miles more of advance by the Germans and the battle (and the war) could have gone the other way. True, it's a big country, but most of their most productive land had already been taken, and millions of their subject peoples ended up fighting for the Germans (without too much persuading needed).

The sanitized news over here didn't do them justice. It's a crying shame such a heroic people were saddled with such a lousy system and leaders.
Lucky for us, but a shame for them. I still hope a vital and responsible country (and countries) can be formed out of the shambles of the Soviet empire.

#33. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 15, 2008 11:33 AM

@TanziTwo/32
@Cecil Rose/33

I apologize to all for my rant last evening ... no excuse, but am now apparently just "losing my dog" away from becoming a country music cliché, and have handled my misfortune badly. This is clearly not the appropriate forum for venting my personal woes, and sincerely regret any offense.

That being said, I respectfully submit the following (to be perused/ignored at your own discretion):

tinyurl.com/6pyelt
tinyurl.com/2j3gmh

I'll now keep my mouth shut re world/national politics, I promise.

#34. Posted by: ealgumby at April 15, 2008 5:27 PM

ealgumby,

You've said absolutly nothing you need to apologize for. Vigorous discussion is a good thing, and I enjoy your postings.

I may be a bit more sanguine that you about China's territorial ambitions (they don't have any, that I can see) but of course the experience of Tibet is a hinderance to good relations with the international community, and I support the Tibetan demonstrators and hope that can have some impact on the Chinese government.

Thanks for the links. Is mac allowing them through now, or just approving them more promptly?

#35. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 15, 2008 6:00 PM

Just took my dog for her last evening walk (very late ... I'm up late), and came across two kids about ten years old (why the F are they still up?) ... one kid had a McD's cup in his hand, and as I walked by, he threw it to the ground in front of me. Out of his mouth came, "A$$hole, pick that sh@t up!" I was simply stunned, and just stood there. They laughed riotously and ran away ... I did pick it up, and as I walked toward the trash dumpster, I realized ... I am now the subject of games.

I do not have patience for such games ...

#36. Posted by: ealgumby at April 16, 2008 1:22 AM

Ealgumby, welcome to the world of 'kids who lack decent parental guidance'. Don't let them get under your skin...they are not worth it. Just be glad they're in no way related to you!

Or next time, tazer their butts and super-glue the cup to one of their foreheads! ;o)

#37. Posted by: JoePike at April 16, 2008 12:11 PM

Mister_Grimm:
"I am the WALRUS ! ! ! KooKoo KaChoo ! ! !"

I always sing it as GooGoo GaJoob!

But I never hear "cranberry sauce" as "I killed Paul"...

#38. Posted by: JoePike at April 16, 2008 12:13 PM


You mean it ISN'T "GooGoo GaJoob"?

Gwarsh.

#39. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 16, 2008 5:07 PM

I am a very curteous person. I usually get praised for it. =]

...along with my break dancing.

#40. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 16, 2008 7:29 PM

I saw another Mourning Cloak on my dog walk today ... I remember these spring butterflies from my youth, often appearing at this time of year in Wisconsin over still snow-capped ground ... don't see them much here in Maryland, though this was my second of the year. I smiled.

#41. Posted by: ealgumby at April 17, 2008 4:57 PM

* * * * FLASH * * * * *

I thought that with no "Lost" rerun last week they didn't have enough time left to broadcast "enhanced" versions of all the S-4 episodes broadcast so far.

Wrong.

In case you haven't looked at the TV schedule, they're broadcasting TWO enhanced eps tonight (8/9 in the Eastern time zone) "Ji Yeon" and "Meet Kevin Johnson".

Still no word on if we'll ever see enhanced versions of the NEW "Lost" eps that start next week.

#42. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 17, 2008 6:14 PM

30/ealgumby "you wouldn't have known a biker dude named "Fat Bob" (off Cedar Lane near 32), would you?"

No, I never had the pleasure. But I did get no know several colorful characters. Overall, liked the area a lot.

Oops, I wrote "SW" in my previous post - meant "NW" - off of Columbia Rd.

#43. Posted by: bcre8ve at April 18, 2008 1:05 PM

4 DAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

#44. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 20, 2008 3:51 PM

@31 ealgumby -

Funny you recently mention the battle of Kursk. I'm trying to track down and read all the literary works referenced in "Lost". I've just finished "The Invention of Morel" (review in progress) and am currently reading "The Survivors of the Chancellor", and "Valis".

In "Valis", the POV character is former hippie and drug enthusiast among a group of same, who, having moved on from drugs now engage in philosophical and theological discussions.

One of the characters (a woman cancer-survivor) introduces the battle of Kursk as evidence of the proposition she's advancing. Seriously.

Serendipity.

#45. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 21, 2008 12:32 PM

4-8 (79)

Michael escapes but,
Doesn't, pulled back in madness
Ben's pawn, he's in play.

#46. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 22, 2008 3:26 PM

Anybody checked out lostscape dot com?

It's an interactive site where you go on a treasure hunt and try to find 34 objects. After you find 7 you get to enter a sweepstakes.

I found 31 so far...

#47. Posted by: ransomjackson at April 23, 2008 1:49 PM

Tickety-tockety....

My ohhh my what time has flown!

One more day and we are back in business...

And how have people spent their time away from Lost?

Myself - the burden was eased with Season 4 of new series Doctor Who starting. Big fan of y'olde timelord!

Also, I finally got a chance to watch "The Prisoner". I had always heard about the parallels between it and Lost, and it was interesting to watch with that in mind.

Looking forward to seeing Rover ... I mean smokie, in future episodes! ;)

Be seeing you....

#48. Posted by: shikotee at April 23, 2008 7:00 PM

So uh... this may seem completely random but I was trying out this new massage therapist, and weirdly enough, he looked A LOT like Michael. It was SO WEIRD. I thought I may have been hallucinating or something, or maybe even going crazy, but I guess that's how he really looks.

I told my mom and she was like, "all you ever think about is LOST." I'm like MOM! Now I feel like I'm living in it! Maybe he came here from NY, maybe this is a side job or something.

Unfortunately, he said he had 2 daughters and his name wasn't Michael or Kevin.

It was really weird.

I'm half asleep right now so please excuse my improper English.

SECOND THING.
I think Macbeth and John Locke are alike.

1. Macbeth "depends" on the witches to guide him... Locke depends on Jacob.(they look to someone else to tell them what to do next)

2. They're both greedy.

3. They're both tyrants. (Kill people, destroy things to get what they want and feel "secure")

... Locke wants to stay on the island, Macbeth wants to stay King.

4. Tragic heroes? I think they both have more than one flaw.

There are probably a lot more... I don't feel like thinking now. I'm trying to "save my brain" for tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be a good day!

#49. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 23, 2008 10:17 PM

I don't know where else to go with this comment....I mean on Mac's site.

But...I just read the USA Today Lost Theorists submissions. Nice going, Vacc!

#50. Posted by: lovelost at April 24, 2008 2:08 PM

@shikotee/48
"And how have people spent their time away from Lost?"

This is a bit serious, and some may consider it a downer, but am now free to speak on the subject ...

I have spent most of my time away stressed out of my mind ... my ex-girlfriend (and I use "ex" loosely ... I'll explain) was murdered last year about this time, and the trial FINALLY took place this week in Indianapolis ...

I will try to keep this relatively short ... We dated for five years (Oct 2001 to Oct 2006), and went through a lot together (not always good, but mostly). Through it all, we always loved each other dearly, but over some period of time, she began turning to alcohol more and more to deal with personal set-backs (both mine and her own). This did not improve things, as you might imagine, and as much as I loved her, it came to a point where I felt compelled to lay down an ultimatum ... I told her we simply could not be together any longer, unless she got serious about treatment.

Don't get me wrong, this was not a first/last demand; her family and I had tried to help her repeatedly, but it never carried enough weight to encourage a change in behavior. At heart, she was the sweetest person you'd ever meet, but the drinking overcame her good nature, and I just couldn't take the mutually destructive results. It was hard to let her go, and told her I still wanted to be with her, but not like that.

She said she would show me differently, and "win me back," but dragged her feet a bit at first to do anything about it. Finally, she entered rehab at a treatment facility in NY state, and I prayed for the best.

That's not what happened. I suppose as often happens under such circumstances, she bonded with a fellow member of the program, and they left treatment "as a couple" in January 2007. She moved to Indianapolis with him, but almost immediately they both slid back to old patterns. I started getting phone calls from her at all hours, increasingly to complain about his abuse, and begging for me to take her back. Maybe I played the "tough love" card too much, but told her I held to my previous stance; I told her to leave him, and try treatment again, this time "for real." In February, he called me at 4 am and left a rambling, threatening, message on my voice mail. I saved it, and decided to no longer answer her calls, but also kept a few recordings of her future, ever more desperate calls. Not knowing what else to do, I contacted her family, and explained my position that, with or without me, she needed help.

In late March, she called me from her parents' house here in Maryland, and explained that she had finally left him for good, and was committed to setting things right. She had finally "reached bottom," and knew it. She had gotten out of Indy quickly when, according to her, he had threatened her life, as well as mine, and had left a few very personal items behind as a result. She said she was going back into treatment the next week, but wanted her things back before "disappearing" for a few months.

I told her to forget about them. She was insistent not to; among other things, mementos from our relationship were in his possession, and she just wouldn't let them go. I told her he was going to use them as bait to bring her back, but not to let that happen. I suggested she send family members out to Indy to retrieve the items, and thought nothing further of it. She asked if she could contact me while in rehab for support, and I told her of course, that would be fine. She told me the next time I heard from her, she'd be in treatment, and wanted more than anything to get into recovery, and be back with me. Although she was in Maryland, we agreed it would probably be best for her to spend her remaining time apart, and have her focus on the task at hand. This was Thursday. We exchanged a couple e-mails over the weekend, and the last I heard was that she was very excited "to get back to a sense of normalcy." I was optimistic this time.

I was wrong. Against all advice, she apparently decided to go back to Indy on Monday to get her things before starting treatment on Wednesday in NY. Unfortunately, her family was unaware of the direness of this plan. I didn't hear from her for a few days, but thought nothing of it; didn't expect to hear from her for at least a week into treatment.

On April 5th, 2007, I received a call at work from her mom. She told me Nupur had been attacked on Tuesday morning, doused with gasoline, set on fire, and burned over 80% of her body. She was dying in an Indianapolis hospital, and not expected to make it through the night. She died 40 days later, many skin grafts and antibiotic treatments later, very early in the morning on Mother's Day, while her family was out of town attending the funeral of her recently-deceased uncle; she died alone.

Immediately after the incident, her "new boyfriend," Michael Wilson, claimed it was a "barbecue accident," although the grill was found covered on the patio. But the 911 call tells a different story, and when the EMTs picked her up and took her to the hospital (still conscious, probably in shock), she told them he doused her with gasoline and set her on fire, consistent with the evidence at the scene. She apparently ran through the house, with pieces of burning clothing and flesh dripping from her body, before dousing the flames in a shower. He was arrested almost immediately, and had been in jail without bond until the trial.

When first reported in the Indianapolis media, his "friends" posted very nasty messages on-line about Nupur, suggesting she was a worthless person who deserved to die, because she was mean to him. I was livid, but had been asked by the prosecutor's office and her family not to publicly say anything about the case, lest pollution of the jury pool be brought up by the defense.

I was subpoenaed to testify at the trial, based upon my recorded voice messages. The trial was postponed over and over again, for various reasons, but FINALLY the April 21st, 2008, date was set in stone. Last week, I spoke with the deputy prosecutor, Brad Banks (who BTW apparently did a wonderful job with the case ... kudos to you!), and he informed me that my testimony would not be needed ... I had a recorded threat against me, and hearsay comments from Nupur, but no direct evidence of him threatening her life. They felt they had more than enough evidence to present without introducing any ambiguity via hearsay. I was told to stand by, in the unlikely event my testimony would be needed. As I'm a very passionate person, it was also thought my presence in the court room might prove detrimental, should I spontaneously unleash a tirade of obscenities toward Mr. Wilson. I agreed, and stayed here in Maryland for the duration. It was very difficult though.

I tried to follow the progress on-line, and saw jury deliberations had begun late yesterday afternoon. Last night, Nupur's sister called me, and told me Mr. Wilson had been convicted. His sentencing awaits in early May; whatever he gets, it will not be enough, IMO.

Here are a few links to Indy info, if you care to look:

tinyurl.com/45n7nz
tinyurl.com/3uokq9

and a few pics of us (poor quality I know, that will be rectified soon):

tinyurl.com/5szsuj

I have been torn apart with guilt for the past year, thinking about how I should have handled things differently. I will simply never be the same again. I especially feel for Nupur's mom ... I'm sure she will never again be able to enjoy Mother's Day.

Nupur's sister told me his family was very respectful at the trial, but this rings hollow to me. I will NEVER have any forgiveness for what this "person" did, and whatever his sentence, he should thank God every day for the rest of his life that I am not administering what I consider just punishment ... there are no words.

Sorry for the less than cheery post ... perhaps you now understand why I have been on edge a few times in the past. May none of you ever have to experience the gut-wrenching pain I, and Nupur's family, have had to experience over this madness.

- Erik

#51. Posted by: ealgumby at April 24, 2008 8:11 PM

ealgumby

Wow, that is just awful. Having to go through something like this is terrible. Hang in there, though, there's plenty of happiness ahead. Just think- in the future, when you and ilovebenjaminlinusxx welcome your newborn baby into the world, all this will finally start to seem "in the past".

#52. Posted by: Lost in Baltimore at April 24, 2008 11:56 PM

#51-Erik

I hope, by sharing your story with us, it proves to be somewhat cathartic for you, although there is certainly nothing that can take away your pain.

Your suffering makes me think twice about the minor everyday complaints I have, and reminds me to be thankful for all the good in my life.

You have "friends" here, who obviously enjoy your contributions. I sometimes think this is group therapy for all of us!

I sincerely wish you all the best, and look forward to "seeing" you on the regular weekly blog.

#53. Posted by: lovelost at April 25, 2008 1:58 PM

Erik,

That is such a horrible, horrible, tale. My heart goes out to you and Nupur's family. I will pray for all of you. May the trial bring some closure for you.

#54. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 25, 2008 3:14 PM

I'm not sure what Lost in Baltimore meant by that, but from the way I took it, Lost in Baltimore is a perv.

ealgumby -- That's really terrible. Just the thought of someone doing something like that to someone is painful.

I can't even begin to imagine what you and Nupur's family are going through.

But remember, Karma's a bitch. Let's hope "she"(karma) comes all the way back around and hits him hard.

#55. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 25, 2008 4:01 PM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx/55

I'm sure LIB's comment was purely innocent, just an attempt to inject a little levity and lighten things up a bit. I certainly take no offense, as I see the intent as completely otherwise.

@lovelost/53

Yes, it was cathartic, and I feel much better now that the trial is over. Although I had shared some details with friends, and let slip a few references here previously, I have keep my angst bottled up for too long. I really didn't post that with the expectation of eliciting sympathy, just to vent, if that makes any sense. Now it is time for me to start moving forward again.

Thanks to all who responded with the supportive words. It is appreciated.

#56. Posted by: ealgumby at April 25, 2008 8:41 PM

A perv!! Not at all, I'm a mother with 2 young children. I'm glad ealgumby didn't take my comment the wrong way. Basically, I was pointing out that I think ilovebenjaminlinusxx has a thing for ealgumby. That's all! And I may be wrong... just decided to put it out there.

#57. Posted by: Lost in Baltimore at April 26, 2008 12:32 AM

@ Lost in Baltimore
Uh.... I'm 16 and he's like 99 or something a lot older than me. I respect him, that's all. I don't have a "thing" or anything like that.

@ ealgumby
Sorry I ruined that levity.

#58. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 26, 2008 10:51 AM

Allrighty ... I think that's all clear -- everyone's intentions are good.

And Ealgumby -- my thoughts and prayers go out to you. I'm very sorry for your loss, grief and pain.

#59. Posted by: mac at April 26, 2008 11:03 AM

@ilovebenjaminlinusxx

Ok, my mistake. But I bet ealgumby is younger than Ben Linus... (less buggy eyed looking too, and probably smells better)

#60. Posted by: Lost in Baltimore at April 26, 2008 11:01 PM

@ Lost in Baltimore
Doubt it.

And Ben's an exeption to the whole age thing.

#61. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 27, 2008 9:26 PM

Hope none of you tuned in for the new "House" episode last night only to find out "House" is on Mondays now. If you missed it my preliminary review of the first new post-strike episode is up in the TV-Fodder blog linked to my name, below.

http://www.tvfodder.com/house/

#62. Posted by: Cecil Rose at April 30, 2008 11:52 AM

@ Cecil Rose - 62
I knew HOUSE. moved it's day to Monday, there's been commercials since forever.

I don't watch commercials, but I press play and watch HOUSE commercials because HOUSE is awesome.

#63. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at April 30, 2008 6:19 PM

(begin shamless plug)
Well, drop by the "House" blog and leave a comment. Unlike "Lost", it's easy to be FIRST.
(/end shameless plug)

#64. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 1, 2008 12:13 PM

Erik,

Your story moved me to tears. I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your loved one. I have been down the road of feeling the guilt of someone else's death, and I can empathize with you. Please know that you are amongst friends here. And thank you for sharing your story. I just looked at the pictures and Napur was a beautiful woman.

~Vikki

#65. Posted by: Vikki at May 1, 2008 2:26 PM

4-10 (81)

Attempting to live
A normal life, but mistrust
Shatters families.

#66. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 8, 2008 12:33 PM

→ 66. Cecil Rose: Haiku 4-10:

This isn't just relevant to LOST, either, CR...great verse. Thanks!

#67. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at May 8, 2008 1:23 PM

4-11 (82)

Island lost in time
People just as lost - seeking
Purpose, fulfillment.

#68. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 9, 2008 2:59 AM

Lost Book Review: “The Invention of Morel”

Hooray for interlibrary loan! (ILL)

I try to peruse the literary works that "Lost" throws our way from time to time, but recently the writers have been coming up with some not in our local (Wake County, NC) library system. But their ILL service will scour cooperating, mostly university libraries for any text you can name, and serve it up at no cost to the customer. Thus I've recently obtained copies of "The Invention of Morel" (U of Richmond), "The Survivors of the Chancellor" (U of Kentucky) and “VALIS” (U of Missouri).

I've finished "The Invention of Morel" now and would like to share a little of the experience.

First of, the titular story is actually a novella, and takes up less than half the volume, the remainder being short stories.

The book, written by Adolfo Bioy Casares, was published in Argentina in the 1930's and is clearly very advanced SF for the time. And at a time when SF was given short shrift in the English speaking literary world, the book is given a sparkling endorsement by Jorge Luis Borges, one of the major literary figures in South America.

And the themes Bioy Casares displays are dazzling - besides the title novella, his stories deal with time travel, multiple worlds, alternate histories, and other sophisticated themes that wouldn't be seen in English for some time.

Obviously time travel came earlier in H.G Wells, but I'm unaware of any English speculation on multiple worlds until much later. In particular, in one story his protagonist, a doctor, deduces that his friend, a test pilot, has traveled to and from an alternate world in his test flights from very subtle clues relating to place and people names that vary in the alternate locations. He deduces that in the alternate world, Carthage was never defeated by the Roman Empire, and that Wales had never existed.

But on to the main (and Lost related) novella.

The protagonist, unnamed, is a fugitive from justice who flees to an uninhabited island where there are abandoned buildings from an earlier settlement - a museum, a chapel, and a hotel. He ekes out a bare living from scrounging among the buildings and the meager resources of the island.

One day, a boatload of visitors arrives, a group of men and women who apparently are there to party. In particular, they spend a lot of time in cocktail parties and dancing outdoors. They do this rain or shine. The fugitive, fearful of discovery, flees to the wilderness of the island. From afar he observes the goings on, and in particular a young beautiful woman who goes to a certain high hill every evening to watch the sunset.

The fugitive falls in love with the woman from afar, and creeps closer to see more of her. He overhears enough conversation to learn her name is Faustine, and that she has a suitor in the group - Morel.

One day the fugitive sees two suns in the sky, and later two moons. He decides this is due to some heretofore unknown to him astronomical phenomena.

Still fearful of discovery, the fugitive creeps ever closer to the partiers, even into the buildings. He discovers that the power for the buildings is generated from the tides. The machinery for this is in a room with a closed door he cannot open.

The fugitive begins to plot ways to declare his love for Faustine, and meet her without scaring her. He gathers wildflowers and plants a massive portrait of her watching the sunset, placing it at the foot of the high place from which she watches the sunset. She never notices it.

One day, the fugitive listens as Morel calls all the visitors together for an announcement. He has, Morel says, developed a new machine that can record and play back whole scenes in three dimensions. And he has secretly been recording all their activities on the island and when they depart, the automatic machines will play back their time on the island endlessly repeating and giving them a kind of immortality. Some of the partiers are upset at being recorded without their knowledge or permission. One recalls the events at a facility in Switzerland where Morel was developing his machine - several people died at that time. Morel engages in some philosophical speculation as to whether an image that cannot be distinguished from the original must in fact possess a soul, and if it does, has it stolen the souls from the original - can/will the machine cause the death of the original? Are the original ‘actors’ all dead now that their souls live on in this replication?

The fugitive comes to terms with what he now realizes is the situation. Now he can freely follow his beloved Faustine throughout her day, and does so, following her into her room at night, sleeping on the rug at her feet at night.

Another thing he learns, almost causing his death, is that the ‘solid projections’ of Morel’s invention are absolutely impenetrable. If a door is closed, nothing he does can open it. If a wall is projected over the original, the original may be broken by tools, but not the projection. During a lull in the tides, the projection ceases and he uses the opportunity to go into a room that had always been closed to him and examine the machinery of Morel’s invention, but he can make nothing of it, and when the tides pick up he is trapped in the room which was closed all the time the original recording was made, and almost starves to death before another lapse allows him to exit.

The novel closes with the fugitive having become so entranced by the week-long repeating story that he finds a way to edit himself into it, walking among the projected people and entering into their conversations in such a way as their chatter seems to be responding to his.

- - - -

Relevance to “Lost”:

I still remember the exact words of Ben in ‘Through the Looking Glass’ when he was trying to convince Jack not to phone Naomi’s boat:

“Jack, listen to me. If you phone her boat, every single living person on this Island will be killed.”

Every. Single. *Living*. Person. On. This. Island.

The implication, to me, has always been that there are some “people” on this island who *appear* to be living, but are not. They are ‘projections’, perhaps, made by some means – Jacob, Smoke Monster, Magic Box, what-have-you.

Now, think about that while reviewing “Horace” and his little performance for Locke in ‘Cabin Fever’. Something causing the ‘projection’ to repeat, perhaps? Maybe it was Locke's dream, or maybe he really saw it, but it wasn’t quite what it appeared to be.

#69. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 15, 2008 5:54 PM

Cecil: That's fascinating. And what a timely connection to the Horace scene. Definitely seems like it may have inspired Damon.

That story sounds so familiar to me... maybe I read it once upon a time.

I think you're on track with dead people who appear to be living (other than the ones we know about, like Christian). In this case, you mentioned that people are not just projections; they have a physical being that occupies space. The difference with the Others might be: they're not on a continuous loop, as they have respondent interactions with the Losties. Unless everybody is dead and looping. But I don't think so.

It would be much easier if the producers had not debunked the Purgatory theory :)

What a tragic love story this was, also.

I very much enjoyed your recap. Two thumbs up!

#70. Posted by: Clementine at May 15, 2008 11:35 PM

And might I add: Two thumbs up for the InterLibrary Loan!

Uh-oh, that's four thumbs. Well, better than six, cause that would just be weird ;)

#71. Posted by: Clementine at May 15, 2008 11:38 PM

4-12 (83)

Six escape the isle
Inside a web of deceit
Where are all the rest?

#72. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2008 4:35 PM

Completely "random" topic here ...

Just watched a story on local news about a crooked used-car dealership being shut down in DC, accused of a number of crimes (chop-shop number one).

Had to LAUGH though, when they interviewed one of the local residents for commentary about the "dealership" closing, and she said something to the extent of "Every time I buy a car from them, it breaks down, in like three weeks."

It made me think ... how many times does "every time" equate to? Apparently not cognizant of the "fool me once, fool me twice" adage!

Still chuckling ...

#73. Posted by: ealgumby at May 21, 2008 6:25 PM

A few years ago my brother George could well have been interviewed for such an article (lawyer for the Montgomery County consumer protection office). He's got several VHS cassettes full of his TV appearances in the DC area.

Now, however, he's retired from the county and gone over to the dark side - works for Fitsgerald Auto Malls.

#74. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2008 9:38 PM

OK, I just couldn’t complain about this in my review of the “House” season finale (which is up now, click my name to go there), but there was a HIGHLY inappropriate commercial in the finale on Monday.

We see previews with Lance (Matthew Abbadon) Riddick talking intently, people running, people exploding. Airplanes, airlocks, helicopters, people running on rooftops. “I just want to go back. To before.” “I don’t think you can.”

I’m thinking – great a “Lost” finale promo! Then I’m thinking “Wait a minute. This is Fox. They couldn’t promote an ABC show on Fox, could they?”

No, they couldn’t. it’s a promotion for a new fall series, “Fringe”.

This is just wrong on so many levels.

First of all – Lance, oh, Lance, we’re counting on you to be back on “Lost” next season with your brooding air of menace. C’mon man, talk to Nestor Carbonell about “Cane”. Leaving “Lost” for a new series is doomed, man, doomed. The Losties will bad-talk your new series just to be sure you come back. (Again, ask Nestor.)

Second...but there is no second. WE WANT OUR MATTHEW ABBADON. Let the letter campaigns begin.

#75. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2008 11:25 PM

Sad day for folk music afficianados. Utah Phillips died in a little village in the foothils of the Sierras in California.

#76. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 27, 2008 1:21 PM

@Cecil Rose/76
"Sad day for folk music afficianados. Utah Phillips died in a little village in the foothils of the Sierras in California."

Can't say I know much about him ... what I've heard has only been via Ani DiFranco, but that's good enough for me. RIP.

#77. Posted by: ealgumby at May 27, 2008 11:35 PM

Yo, Fringe is going to keep me occupied in the fall!

It was a complete turn on right when they said "from the creators of LOST."

I'm already hooked.

So who's planning on starting a "Fringe" blog??? Maybe we can have "iIF" there too!!!

Don't worry, I'll still be visiting here. =]

I accidently just drew on my face with my pen that I thought was closed.

#78. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at May 28, 2008 6:52 PM

@45 (on the captions blog, but I'm noviong it over here because it's more of a random topic) ilovebenjaminlinusxx said:

>I hope Matthew Fox reads blogs about LOST. and happens to stumble upon this one and reads everything I write about him.

>Are they allowed to do that?

Sure they are. There's another blog (The Fuselage) which is sort of a semi-official "Lost" blog) that has areas set aside for interaction between fans, actors, writers, producers, etc. Not every cast member is active in their area, but you can usually get a response from Jorge Garcia, Terry O'Quinn, or William Mapother.

But before you be too hard on Matthew Fox, remember the Simpson's episode where the major league baseball players play an exhibition game in Springfield, and Bart heckles Daryl Strawberry unmercifully. Marge tells him to stop being mean, but bart says "He's a major leaguer, he can take it." But out on the bases, Strawberry wipes a tear from the corner of his eye.

#79. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 29, 2008 9:28 AM

@78 ilovebenjaminlinusxx wrote:

>So who's planning on starting a "Fringe" blog??? Maybe we can have "iIF" there too!!!

So sign up. mac's always looking for talent. Drop him a line at mac(at)filmfodder.com and volunteer. Then you'll always be First, besides in our hearts.

#80. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 29, 2008 9:32 AM

@ Cecil Rose - 79
Are you sure that's really them -- and not just someone pretending to be them?

Because if it is, that's pretty cool.

I'm going to go to that site right now. Thanks!

@ Cecil Rose - 80
Volunteer to actually write it, or just to be first?

Sounds like a cool job. =]

#81. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at May 29, 2008 5:07 PM

Damn!!! That season finale was crazy exciting!

Looking forward to the write up, and the great discussion that will ensue...

#82. Posted by: shikotee at May 29, 2008 11:27 PM

@81 ilovebenjaminlinusxx wondered:

>@ Cecil Rose - 80
>Volunteer to actually write it, or just to be first?

>Sounds like a cool job. =]

To actually write it, of course.

The pay and fringe benefits are legenday (which is to say, not real :)

But the emtional satisfaction is great.

Do it and I'll come comment. I might even watch the show, if only for Lance Riddick's performance.

However I must say that even Nestor Carbonnel couldn't hold my interest in "Cane" last fall, nor apparently anybody else'e, which just goes to show that 'without good writers, nothing else matters much'.

#83. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 30, 2008 11:24 AM

NO FAIR!

Mac posted a note with no comment patch (didn't know you could do that) so no place to attach sarky remarks.

#84. Posted by: Cecil at May 30, 2008 11:27 AM

And, for the astronomically inclined, NASA APOD (Astronomy Picture of the Day) is a picture of a spacecraft (Phoenix Lander) taken in the process of landing on another planet, and taken by another spacecraft (Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter). Outstanding!

This URL is good only for today (5/30/08), though if you're reading this after today you can find links to brows backwards to this date.

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/

#85. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 30, 2008 11:34 AM

@ Cecil Rose - 83
Okay, I'll ask Mac about it. Thanks for the advice!

I'm getting kind of scared of the "There's No Place Like Home, Part 1" page... I'm not going to lie.

So much for trying to be 800.

#86. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at May 30, 2008 12:09 PM

What's Scary?

All the on/off topic discussions?

Ignore them. People used to threaded forums who can't handle normal conversational flow.

Which is of course what makes this place special.

And off-topic discussion can spring from a side discussion off and on-topic post. Eventually we say "but I digress..." and swing back to the topic.

And for totally off-topic posts there's always the random topics area (i.e. here). But what attracts most of us to this place is a bunch on interesting and diverse folks with all sorts of interests, who share a love for this nutty island TV show.

Who knows, the dicussions could well keep going for years after the finale finale in '10. And that's just fine.

#87. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 30, 2008 12:51 PM

@ Cecil Rose - 87
Yeah, true. But that Babola person totally flipped out on me.

And some other people were really mad too.

#88. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at May 30, 2008 5:11 PM

I'm sitting here at my desk working late,

1) Installing gigabytes of .Net developer software and documentation on my new super-duper laptop

2) Listening to Hitchhiker's on my headphones as the installation proceeds,

3) Reading and posting to the Lost blog while doing all the above.

Am I plugged in or what?

I feel like I'm wasting some multiprocessing capability since my feet aren't doing anything. Well, other that tapping my toes, anyway.

#89. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 5, 2008 6:18 PM

Continuing the trivia contest:

Here are the remaining "Last Words" of "Lost" characters after subtracting the ones correctly identified by Alais_Longthought.

Who can identify these?:

"What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?"

"Fine, then, if you're not interested why are you concerned -- ?

"Beach Boys. "Good Vibrations." On the keypad, the numbers, they're notes. It was programmed by a musician."

"Para...lyzed...."

"I was afraid of losing you. If you found the diamonds...you wouldn't need me anymore."

"Okay. Okay."

"Ryan!"

"Okay. I give up."

"Well, at least that's something we have in common."

"I'm sorry George...just tell my sister that I love her."

"Walt! Wait!"

"Which way's the beach?"

"For what?"

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not wander...

"Ben?"

"The casing for the equipment is waterproof, it'll keep going forever."

"One...two...three!"

"But I'm the doctor."

"Who are you?"

"It'll come back around..."

"Fifty-two years."

#90. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 6, 2008 2:33 PM

Here are the remaining "Last Words" of "Lost" characters after subtracting the ones correctly identified by the players below:

Score so far: First correct identification:

Alaïs_Longthought - 14
ilovebenjaminlinusxx - 6
-------------------------
Who can identify these?:

"What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?"

"Fine, then, if you're not interested why are you concerned -- ?"

"Okay. Okay."

"Ryan!"

"Okay. I give up."

"Well, at least that's something we have in common."

"Which way's the beach?"

"For what?"

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not wander...

"Ben?"

"The casing for the equipment is waterproof, it'll keep going forever."

"One...two...three!"

"But I'm the doctor."

"Who are you?"

"It'll come back around..."

"Fifty-two years."

#91. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 6, 2008 5:47 PM

Who can identify these?:

"What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?" Capt. Gault

#92. Posted by: mtncbn at June 6, 2008 6:21 PM

Who can identify these?:

** "What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?" Capt. Gault

** "Fine, then, if you're not interested why are you concerned -- ?" Julliets husband - just before bus

** "Well, at least that's something we have in common." Karl

** "Which way's the beach?" Nathan

** "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not wander... Eko

** "The casing for the equipment is waterproof, it'll keep going forever." Greta

** "But I'm the doctor." Ray

** "It'll come back around..." Frank (the guy Sawyer killed in Australia)

#93. Posted by: mtncbn at June 6, 2008 6:51 PM

Who can identify these?:

** "Ryan!" One of the others, after Hurley's Dharma van runs over Ryan, and then he is then shot

** "Okay. I give up." Tom (Mr. Friendly)

** "Who are you?" Bakir (the guy Ben gets Sayid to shoot - at his enlistment to Ben's assassin force)

** "Fifty-two years." Hurley's grandpa Tito

#94. Posted by: mtncbn at June 6, 2008 7:48 PM

@Cecil Rose/89
"Installing gigabytes of .Net developer software and documentation on my new super-duper laptop"

This is a related random thought, but perhaps also Lost-related ... I'd like to hear what you think ...

I'm doing some upgrade work with Visual Studio now, and something occurred to me ... script writing, especially for Lost, is somewhat like writing code with Studio. Let me explain, and hopefully it will make sense.

When you start a new software project, you begin with a design concept. Especially if it is a complex project, there are bound to be changes made along the way, but you define the basic architecture up-front, and work from there. For a Windows application built from Studio, that means defining the user interface first ... whatever menu options will be available, and submenus initiated by them.

As each menu option is defined, a call-back "stub" is created. These stubs are created as empty routines, triggered by the event of clicking on a menu option, or entering the associated keystroke. When the menu tree of empty call-back stubs has been created, the developer fleshes out the functionality of each stub.

Now, this is my analogy to script writing for a show like Lost ... with such a complex, long-term plot, the writers can plant script "stubs" along the way, to be fleshed out later, or perhaps not at all. The more potential launching-points for future plot development (stubs in my analogy) they leave behind, the easier it is to work them into future episodes, or ignore them entirely, in which case they are blown off by the audience as mere subterfuge/misdirection.

This makes it "appear" as if the writers had planned the plot out a certain way long in advance, even if it isn't so. For example, take the Little Locke scene with the items on the table. By showing each item in some detail, the writers open the possibility of working that item into the plot at some point in the future. There could well be an episode in the final season, where it is revealed that Locke "should have" chosen the book, for example, because it was shown so prominently in that scene. The details of how this turn of events might work into the overall plot do not need to be defined at the moment ... the writers have left their "stub" to work from, and if they choose to go that way, many viewers will say, "the writers are so clever, they anticipated this two years ago when they showed Locke skip over the book ... just shows they have always had a detailed plan in place."

Or we may never hear anything about the book, or baseball glove, etc., ever again. In which case the writers will still be deemed clever, by leading us on to believe there would be some future reference. Do you see my point?

I'm not arguing it isn't clever, but more as a production tool, than as evidence of the writers holding the entire grand master plot in their back pockets as we speak. I also think this approach was adopted only after the show demonstrated some potential longevity, and they needed a means to "make it all fit together" no matter how long the series might run. In season one, if the Little Locke scene had taken place, we may have had scant idea of which items were placed on the table, only focusing on the knife he selected. The idea at that time being almost the opposite ... the fewer details you show, the less there are to be scrutinized.

I'd suggest this is revealed by the retaping of the 815 crash scene from different perspectives shown in later seasons. You could argue that was the result of clever writing, to view the "same" scene later with more detail, as has been done in numerous films before. However, the differences in scene detail each time we have seen 815 fall from the sky imply to me that this scene was in fact reshot numerous times, rather than shot once up front with the pre-planned intent of slowly revealing more later in the series. I take this an example of where the production staff did leave enough stubs behind to go back to, and had to "modify the code" as it were, to work the extra detail in later. I would also suggest they learned their lesson from that, which is why we get SO many apparently insignificant details either overtly zoomed in upon, or left in plain view, for possible future reference.

Once the production team realized they had an audience of people like us (me?) out there focusing in on these details, it became even easier to justify working them in directorially. And so the show has gone ever since ...

I want to emphasize this is not an attack on the writers/producers ... in fact, just the opposite. It would strike me a quite brilliant approach to take, and one unavailable to most TV shows. You need to have a long-term, multi-episode, continuous story-line in place for this to even make sense to pursue, eliminating most of what exists on TV today, where each episode (for the most part) stands alone. About the only equivalent would be the soaps, but they have too much schedule pressure to bother with such minutiae. Even a show like "24" wouldn't fit, because each season is one succinct story-line, with little need to plant "easter eggs"/"stubs" to either be worked from, or ignored, in the future. As such, I think the Lost staff have created their own techniques for managing the plot of this show, allowing them to continually build upon fragments left behind earlier, while still essentially "making it up as they go," and not requiring all of the details to be planned out years in advance. Only the basic structure needs to be in place, and even that is subject to modification, as needed. This approach allows them to present that illusion though.

I will be very interested to see what is said about this, if anything, upon the completion of the series.

I told you this was rather random! I'm curious if anyone thinks my idea has any merit, software-programming references aside or otherwise.

Just a thought ...

#95. Posted by: ealgumby at June 6, 2008 8:02 PM

Who can identify these?:

** "Okay. Okay." Cooper - the real Sawyer

** "For what?" Ana Lucia

"Ben?"

"One...two...three!"

#96. Posted by: mtncbn at June 6, 2008 8:53 PM


Well, here are my answers, not good!!!
8-((( I can't tell you how many times I've watched these episodes, but it was obviously nit enough.

"What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?"
GAULT

"Fine, then, if you're not interested why are you concerned -- ?

"Just do it Mikhail!" BEN

"Beach Boys. "Good Vibrations." On the keypad, the numbers, they're notes. It was programmed by a musician." THE OTHER GIRL IN THE LOOKING GLASS

"Para...lyzed...." NIKI

"I was afraid of losing you. If you found the diamonds...you wouldn't need me anymore." PAUOLO

"Okay. Okay."?

"It was an order, Tom. We had to follow it."ONE OF THE OTHERS WITH TOM ON THE BEACH

"Ryan!"?

"Okay. I give up." ME TOO

"Wherever you go...Widmore...will find you..."kEAMY

"Well, at least that's something we have in common."SHANNON?

"I'm sorry, Bonnie. I too am following orders."TMIKHAIL?

"I'm sorry George...just tell my sister that I love her."NAOMI

"Tell Shannon...tell her..."BOONE

"All right, we're not gonna take any more of this stuff than we need, because nitroglycerin is extremely temperamental. So we just --"POOR ARDST

"Walt! Wait!"?

"Which way's the beach?"?

"The children are fine. They're better off now."CINDY

"For what?" ?

"Michael...LIBBY

"Despite what you may think, I am not the enemy, we are not the enemy. But if you shoot me, that’s exactly what we’ll become.TOM

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not wander...EKO?

"Call him Benjamin."BEN'S MOMMY

"Ben?" ?

"Your boat, eighty miles off shore. Er... Naomi, parachutist." CHARLIE?

"The casing for the equipment is waterproof, it'll keep going forever." ?

"One...two...three!" ?

"Dad...they're serious. They killed Karl...and my mother... Please, daddy! Just please, please...ALEX"

"But I'm the doctor."THE DOCTOR - NOT WHO.

"Who are you?" ?

"It'll come back around..." ?

"Fifty-two years." ???????

"I...can't...get...back..." ?

#97. Posted by: berkyo at June 6, 2008 10:04 PM

95/ealgumby:

first of all, great post. Sometimes the conversations on this blog are so insightful that it seems wasteful that they will fade away when everyone has moved on to the next thread.

Your "stub" post strikes a nerve because I've recently been pondering a similiar thought- how could the creative team ever have anticipated this many details and reference points?

I think you are right on when you suggest that their story creation process has changed since the beginning- how can it not? They've progressed from selling a network pilot and trying to get renewed to this incredibly intense love/hate relationship with their viewers where every line of dialogue, every aspect of set design, every prop gets analyzed to a greater degree than any other show in the history of television.

I believe they started with the key concepts and character arcs, along with a central story arc for each season (season 1: crash on island, season 2: the hatch and the Dharma Initiative, etc), but have continually added and dropped ideas as they've gone along. I like your "stub" concept, but wonder if it would offend those viewers who want to believe that every element of Lost has a preplanned design and purpose. What is canon, indeed?

Look at the recent Rousseau discussion. When Rousseau talked about the mysterious illness that affected her crew, the writers may have intended to actually introduce some sort of plague in the survivor camp, perhaps to add dramatic tension, or to eliminate some characters who were not working.

But the show was working and was an immediate hit- so they buried the sickness idea, then eventually crossed it off the list by showing the time-shift madness of Minkowski and friends (but they never connect the dots in an obvious way, leading some fans to see them as dead ends, forgotten topics or deliberately misleading red herrings).

TPTB have a lion by the tail. They're own fans are their harshest critics, and I think they often use the show to directly respond and play with the viewers.

As an example, D&C admitted the Paulo-Nikki thing was an unplanned add-on, a response to fans who were critical that there were these other 30 or so faceless survivors. When they didn't fit well within the show, they sent the fans a direct message by burying them alive.

I've always imagined the writers room as having this giant whiteboard, loaded with ideas, unresolved plots, character development, etc. As someone who is a self-admitted Lost obsessive, I'm concerned that they have 70 pounds of potatoes but only a 50 pound bag, and that bag will continue to fray at the seam as the number of remaining episodes dwindles and the pressure to resolve the show increases.

#98. Posted by: Mizzed at June 7, 2008 1:09 AM

That's 14 first and correct for mtncbn, and the scores are:

Score so far:

First correct identification:

Alaïs_Longthought - 14
ilovebenjaminlinusxx - 6
mtncbn - 14

The only unidentified "Last words" remaining are:

"Ben?"

"One...two...three!"

#99. Posted by: Cecil Rose at June 9, 2008 4:33 PM

Berkyo score @97

16 right, 4 wrong (see below), none first.

The wrong ones:

"Just do it Mikhail!" BEN

"Well, at least that's something we have in common."SHANNON?

"The children are fine. They're better off now."CINDY

"Despite what you may think, I am not the enemy, we are not the enemy. But if you shoot me, that’s exactly what we’ll become.TOM

Want me to tell you (or you could look at previous posts)?

#100. Posted by: Cecil at June 9, 2008 4:40 PM

Who can identify these?:

"Ben?" Roger workman Linus

"One...two...three!" Danielle Rousseau

#101. Posted by: mtncbn at June 9, 2008 9:21 PM

Pennsylvanianese, SE & otherwise:

The best phonetic rendering of the SE PA pronunciation of H2O that I've seen is "wooder." And an assortment of meats, cheeses, & veggies on an Italian roll is a "hoagie"...but it's properly pronounced "hohhhgie." You definitely have to drawl out the long "o" to get it right. The one sound that tips off someone from SE PA (at least to me) is the "oo" sound—it's pronounced "ew" rather than "oo."

As far as "Eagle" & "Iggle," "Iggle" is actually SW PA. There's a grocery store chain out there called Giant & their video dept. is called The Iggle. SW PA is also where things aren't slippery, they're slippy; roses don't have thorns, they have jaggers; & if you're poking around where you shouldn't be you're not nosy, you're nebby. Clementine could probably provide lots more of these examples!

#102. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 9, 2008 9:42 PM

But TastyKakes more than make up for all their other foibles!

#103. Posted by: FenwayBen at June 9, 2008 9:59 PM

Sorry in advance for such a long post. I was reading the transcript of “Par Avion” Season 3 Episode 12 today and I thought this conversation between Kate & Mikhail was interesting in light of the recent events of the Season 4 Finale. It also made me wonder why Ben needs all of the O6 to go back if they weren't on "the list."

KATE: So how’d you get here? How’d you get onto this island?

ROUSSEAU: Don’t waste your breath; whatever he says will be a lie.

MIKHAIL: I was recruited when I was 24; I was approached by a man—

KATE: I didn’t ask you when, I asked you how.

MIKHAIL: They brought me on the submarine.

KATE: So your people, they can just come and go whenever they want?

MIKHAIL: Oh yes, but two weeks ago, our underwater beacon stopped emitting its locator signal. There was an event, an electromagnetic pulse. It would be impossible to come back.

KATE: Why would you want to come back?

MIKHAIL: You would not understand.

KATE: Try me.

MIKHAIL: I misspoke. What I meant to say is you are not capable of understanding.

KATE: And why am I not capable?

SAYID: Kate.

MIKHAIL: Because you are not on the list.

KATE: What list?

MIKHAIL: The man who brought me here, who brought all of my people here, he is a magnificent man.

KATE: If Ben’s so magnificent, then why did he need one of us to save him?

MIKHAIL: Ben? Ben is not. I will try to make this as simple as I can. You are not on the list because you are flawed. Because you are angry, and weak, and frightened.

#104. Posted by: Christine Loves Lost at June 9, 2008 11:22 PM

→ 103. FenwayBen: Tastykakes!

So I started off looking up Tastykakes, because I remember eating them as a kid, & ended up finding this Wikipedia article on "Pittsburgh English":

http://tinyurl.com/4a5s4y

It's a bit heavy in the "linguistic talk" in places, but that part's skimmable. You too can talk like a yunzer!

Unfortunately I couldn't find anything comparable for "Philadelphia English."

@ you all everybody:

What word do you use when asking for a carbonated soft drink? ; )

#105. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at June 10, 2008 1:28 AM

k4fb3lvt ob6f14id [URL=http://www.384255.com/270207.html] vjmfwqwb86slv6 [/URL] mvu7m35gr

#106. Posted by: yo65v52pus at June 10, 2008 1:59 AM

k4fb3lvt t3h4osdz0oenbekq2 mvu7m35gr

#107. Posted by: yo65v52pus at June 10, 2008 1:59 AM

And the *winner* with the last two 'first correct identifications' =

m t n c b n !

Scores: First correct identification:

Alaïs_Longthought - 14
ilovebenjaminlinusxx - 6
mtncbn - 16
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#108. Posted by: Cecil at June 10, 2008 11:35 AM