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Lost Random Topic Hiatus Thread No. 4 (Winter '10)

Hi everyone!

I'm anticipating this will be the last Random Topic thread before the sixth season premieres in early February. The usual rules apply: talk about anything and everything, but be nice.

You'll notice Filmfodder has a new design. This shouldn't have an enormous effect on regulars since all the same tools are in place. Hopefully it'll be a little faster, though. If you run into any hiccups, please drop me a line directly at mac@filmfodder.com.

See you soon for the final season!

First!

#1. Posted by: mac at December 19, 2009 10:20 PM

Got my Ben bobblehead!!! I'll put up a picture of it soon. =]

#2. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at December 19, 2009 11:53 PM

What are we going to do when Lost is over? Has enyone seen FlashForward? Is it any good? I have them all recorded but now I read somewhere that it might me cancelled. I don't want ot watch it if that is true. Thanks!

#3. Posted by: Brian at December 20, 2009 9:52 AM

@Brian: I've been watching FlashForward. It's pretty solid, and I think they've hit upon a format that's a bit more accessible than hard-core mythology shows like "Lost" and "Battlestar." That's only a good thing insofar it lets the show hang around for a while. Personally, I like my mythologies dense and hard to follow ;)

#4. Posted by: mac at December 20, 2009 10:18 AM

Bad Robot team interview from a few days ago

http://tinyurl.com/ya3fxab

#5. Posted by: Jibblicks at December 20, 2009 3:23 PM

Happy Holidays to everyone. I hope you all get Season 5 of LOST for Christmas! That's what I asked for and seems there's a package under my tree that's just about the right size... yay!

Be safe everyone.

#6. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 21, 2009 11:31 AM

Hey mac - one thing I noticed in the new format which I miss is the total count of posts for each topic. That's the way I could tell if there had been more posts since the last time I visited. Now I have to actually pull up the thread and go all the way to the bottom to see how many posts there are. Any way you can fix that?

#7. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 21, 2009 11:34 AM

There is only ONE thread that makes my day. That is the one that comes from BunnyLover.

TruDat.

#8. Posted by: DocH at December 22, 2009 12:08 AM

I would have to agree with bunny. I think, later on, when we're in the midst of series discussion, not having the number tally at the opening will be rather irritating. I usually make a note about what number I left off from.

BTW: Mac. Have a great Christmas with the family. AND everyone else as well.
Personally I'm not ashamed to say Merry CHRISTmas at my house, regardless of what the ACLU and half of Congress promote. We're all suppose to only say Happy Holidays and yet they take an official "Christmas Vacation". LOL.

I have a number of non-Christian friends and none of them have ever mentioned that they are offended by having December 25 off from work. Hey, here's a bonus - Take the 26th off as well. It's my birthday! It's the least I can do for friends.

#9. Posted by: davidrh at December 22, 2009 7:23 AM

hey people long time reader first time poster. short and sweet but i'm dreading that day in may when lost is finally over and i know the come down is going to be very hard. Happy holidays.

#10. Posted by: smellslikecarrots at December 22, 2009 6:19 PM

hey people long time reader first time poster. short and sweet but i'm dreading that day in may when lost is finally over and i know the come down is going to be very hard. Happy holidays.

#11. Posted by: smellslikecarrots at December 22, 2009 6:20 PM

Found the previous thread locked down and now just found out there's a new thread. Mac, please post a "final" message on the previous thread that people should move over to this new one. Didn't know it existed until I tried to post something on the previous one. Anyhoo...

Interesting post by Doc Jensen. This is the text of the addendums to the treaty between Dharma and the "Others", the native people of the island led by Richard Alpert, along with Doc Jensen's comments on each of the four addendums:

THE FIRST ADDENDUM
''If the Dharma Initiative enters or violates any preexisting ruins on the island, the truce is violated.'' [The word ''preexisting'' is crossed out.]
ANALYSIS: As I've stated earlier, I am struck by Alpert's use — and then deletion — of the word ''preexisting.'' Maybe he thought, ''Why am I using this word? It's unnecessary! Like there's any other kind of ruins on the Island. I'm so verbose! Like Doc Jensen, I'd be a lousy Twitterer!'' Still, I wonder if time loop theory (open loop edition) offers a different spin on this and three other addendums. Was Alpert allowing for the possibility of future ruins popping up on the Island? Were he and his Others building ersatz, ancient-looking debris — stage dressing and sets for the future drama to come?

THE SECOND ADDENDUM
''If the Dharma Initiative digs or drills any more than 10 meters into the ground, even in their designated territory, the truce is violated.''
ANALYSIS: In case you're metrically challenged, 10 meters is not quite 33 feet. We learned in the season finale that the Others had hidden ''Jughead'' in the ancient tunnels below the Dharma village. It would be safe to assume that this addendum was intended to protect that secret. Separately, we saw in season 5 that Dharma was pretty wantonly breaking this part of the truce. Radzinsky's top-secret Black Swan team was drilling (quite loudly) into a pocket of electromagnetic energy. Ditto Dr. Chang's Orchid project. How did Alpert not know of either of these Truce-violating projects? Or did he? More in a minute about how time loop theory might make sense of this rule — and Alpert's apparent non-diligence in enforcing it.

THE THIRD ADDENDUM
''The Dharma Initiative pledges its term of residency will last no longer than fifteen years. At the end of this term, all facilities and personnel are to leave the island.''
ANALYSIS: This addendum is probably the one that jumps out as most provocative. The date of the truce was 1973. That means that, per the agreement, Dharma had to clear out in 1988. We know that didn't happen, because the Purge went down around 1991. Was the Purge ordered because Dharma didn't leave?

THE FOURTH ADDENDUM
''The D.I. can only The maximum population of D.I. members cannot exceed 216 at any one time on the island.'' [The fragment ''The D.I. can only'' is crossed out, so the sentence begins with ''The maximum...'']
ANALYSIS: ''216'' is twice the sum of the Numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), or 108 x 2. Coincidence? Regardless, the number is so extremely specific. Why?

Sounds like interesting and quite intriguing hints at future revelations about the island to me.

#12. Posted by: LostedIt at December 23, 2009 12:00 PM

Thanks Mac for setting this possibly last Blog before Season 6 begins. I am slowly getting back into reading posts...getting warmed up for Feb. I had full intentions of re-watching Seasons 1-4 by now and then quickly catching up with Season 5 once it was released to be ready to go in Feb, but no such luck or time. I look forward to relying on all the insightful folks on this Blog to help me clear up all the Lost cobwebs in my brain.

#13. Posted by: Boodle at December 23, 2009 12:59 PM

i wonder what we are gonna do when lost is over...it feels like we have been fighting a war and are now returning home....

#14. Posted by: luuk at December 23, 2009 1:30 PM

Hey vacc!

We've got an official start date now -maybe it's time to update your countdown clock over on the photo captions blog?

Speaking of which, how about some more photos to caption as a Christmas present for your fellow Lostophiles?

#15. Posted by: Cecil at December 23, 2009 2:36 PM

#12. Posted by: LostedIt at December 23, 2009 12:00 PM
''The D.I. can only The maximum population of D.I. members cannot exceed 216 at any one time on the island.'' [The fragment ''The D.I. can only'' is crossed out, so the sentence begins with ''The maximum...'']


Perhaps there were 216 Dharma folk on the Island, at the time of the truce. They may have agreed that there would not be anymore of them there. It's suspicious though.

#16. Posted by: Mischa at December 23, 2009 5:33 PM

Hi guys -- great suggestion re: the comments count. I just added that back to the Lost Blog home page. Clicking on that comments count will also bounce you directly to the comments area of a page. You won't have to scroll down.

#17. Posted by: mac at December 24, 2009 11:24 AM

Here's something interesting - the 12 days of Lost-mas. They're up to day 4 at the moment. Some intriguing hints/spoilers. Read at your own risk!

http://tinyurl.com/ya5u5vo

#18. Posted by: LostedIt at December 24, 2009 1:58 PM

Merry Christmas Friends! Joy to the World! Have a great family day.

#19. Posted by: davidrh at December 25, 2009 12:03 AM

i wondered where everyone had gone,
it now seems mac has paid yet another visit to the FDW in his basement & were "on the move" once more,
anyway nosebleed has stopped.
seasons greetings all.

#20. Posted by: san at December 25, 2009 2:33 PM

hey guys - found my season under the tree!

has anyone watched the "video from the 80's" yet in the special features? curious to see everyone elses opinion. personally i thought it was interesting, but a poor attempt. the "interviews" were the videos downfall - bad actors playing people who claimed they knew people that went missing thanks to dharma. cool idea tho, and probably fun to make, but i found myself a bit bored at times.

aside from the video, i'm glad to have another 16-18 hours of LOST to watch :)can't wait for all the new theories to emerge thanks to the new release!

#21. Posted by: driveshaft at December 26, 2009 11:29 PM

Hello Mac! and everybody else too!
Glad to see we are getting ready for the new season. Been re-watching from season 4 on and getting psyched.

#22. Posted by: berkyo at December 27, 2009 4:16 PM

@ DocH - Thanks for the kind words!

@ mac - Thank YOU for putting the counts back on. Yay!

Oh, and Santa was good to me cause I got Season 5 just like I asked for. Will start watching again this week. (It came with a Dharma luggage tag too... sweet...)

Hope Santa was good to everyone and hope you all have a safe and Happy New Year. 2010.. wow!

#23. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 28, 2009 4:00 PM

[DELETED BECAUSE IT WAS SPAM ... STUPID, STUPID SPAM]

#24. Posted by: Cefspouff at December 28, 2009 4:56 PM

@ 24-cefspouff.
you not into lost then?

#25. Posted by: san at December 28, 2009 5:49 PM

San in #25:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Very funny!

#26. Posted by: davidrh at December 29, 2009 8:11 AM

@ #21 driveshaft ~ Were is the "video from the 80's" in the Season 5 DVD's. I know there were/are several different collectable DVD's out there, but mine doesn't seem to have that on it unless it's maybe on the last disk which I haven't seen yet. Wasn't on the bonus disk. Did you get a groovy cool luggage tag?

#27. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 29, 2009 1:40 PM

@26: davidrh - is that like "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!" after shuffling the deck of cards once? ;)

#28. Posted by: LostedIt at December 29, 2009 1:41 PM

oh crap - typo - should have read WHERE is the video from the 80's, not were. Don't want the grammar police on me...

#29. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 29, 2009 1:42 PM

@ LostedIt - nice, very nice catch re: davidrh. Shuffling the deck - only you would have thought of that. Nice...

#30. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 29, 2009 1:46 PM

Hi everyone. I hope the holidays are treating everyone well. Can't wait for the season to start followed shortly thereafter by Mac's recaps! I saw this poster and was intrigued by all the dead characters that appeared.

http://tinyurl.com/ydkbzxd

Interesting that Locke's back is turned. And they included Desmond but not Rousseau. Probably more marketing than clue but it's cool to see.

Happy New Year everyone!!

#31. Posted by: Alex (Not Rousseau) at December 29, 2009 2:17 PM

Hey y'all...so nice to see all the familiar names still rockin and rollin on this blog....Feb 2 can't come soon enough!

@31 Alex (not Rousseau)

I just caught a glimpse of the same poster (but it was a graphic on the ABC website) and was wondering what everyone else thought of this too...noticed the reappearance of many old faces but noticed there was no Walt....interesting...

#32. Posted by: Vikki at December 30, 2009 6:35 PM

Gramma knows the difference between a typo and a grammar error.

#33. Posted by: Gramma Pole Lice at December 31, 2009 1:19 AM

@31 Alex
@32 Vikki

That poster reminds me so-o-o-o much of this:

http://www.theackattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/previouslyonlost.gif

Be sure to scroll all the way to the right.


Hope you have a browser that magnifies.

And in case you're having trouble identifying the Benry characters, here's a cheat sheet:

The lineup: Smokey, Sun, Jin, Ji-yeon, Radzinsky, Desmond, Penny, Charlie, Miles, PF Chang, Jack, Kate, Roger, Aaron, Bram, Ilana, Caesar, Charlotte, Daniel, Lapidus, Horace, Amy/Ethan, Phil, Abaddon, Walt, Ana-Lucia, Hurley, Sawyer, Juliet, Rousseau, Robert, Montand, Nadine, Sayid, Eloise, Widmore, Jacob, Alex, Alpert, Christian, Locke AND of course, Ben.

(Wish they'd lined up the characters in this order on the poster.)

#34. Posted by: Cecil Rose at December 31, 2009 1:38 AM

Want a chance for an advanced sneak peek at the season 6 premiere?

ABC is offering this:

==============================
Win a first look at the premiere of
LOST: THE FINAL SEASON

Can't wait for the premiere of LOST? All you have to do for your chance to win is visit the official sweepstakes website, and enter the
"LOST: The Final Season Sweepstakes" by answering six LOST questions correctly. You'll then be entered for a chance to win a message in a bottle with an exclusive sneak peek of the season 6 premiere...days before anyone else.

Click Here to Enter Now!

It's the beginning of the end!
LOST: THE FINAL SEASON Premiere Event
Tuesday, February 2 at 8|7c on ABC

==============================

The click here link is:

http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/final-season-sweepstakes?cid=09_lost_alert_12302009_pt

Don't know if the questions are always the same, but the six I got were:

1. How many survivors were there from the fuselage section of Oceanic flight 815?
A. 108
B. 23
C. 48
D. 16

2. Who are the Oceanic Six?
A. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron
B. Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Sayid and Sun
C. Sayid, Kate, Ben, Jin, Sun and Jack
D. Kate, Sun, Jack, Sayid, Ilana and Hurley

3. What game did Locke use to illustrate the battle of good and evil on the island?
A. Chess
B. Checkers
C. Connect Four
D. Backgammon

4. A surprising romance developed between which unlikely couple during season 5?
A. Kate and Sawyer
B. Sawyer and Juliet
C. Juliet and Jack
D. Faraday and Kate

5. What was the name of the scientific organization that built the stations on the island?
A. The Hanso Foundation
B. Widmore Industries
C. Black Rock
D. Dharma Initiative

6. Who is the first person to say, "Whatever happened, happened"?
A. Sawyer
B. Faraday
C. Eloise Hawking
D. Locke

Which I assume anoyone on this forum should handle easily.

Namaste, and good luck!


#35. Posted by: Cecil Rose at December 31, 2009 10:22 AM

I submitted my chance at the sneak peak yesterday. Woo hoo! My apologies to the crew over here. I shoulda posted the link as soon as I found it. Thanks, Cecil, for redeeming my remissness (is that a word? ;) )!

To be honest, as intriguing as it would be to get a chance to see a preview of the episode before anyone else, what I would really LOVE is to get one of those keys in a bottle as a memento. That, m'friends, is *my* motivation for submitting for a chance to win. I don't know about anyone else but it would KILL me to know what happens in the season premier and not be able to talk about it with all of you here. (gawrsh!) That's half of the fun of watching the episode. You're all so insightful and such a fun group to have made this journey with, I might explode from the secrecy.

Then again, for one of those keys in a bottle, I'd find a way to survive. ;) I wonder if Doc Jensen and others like him get previews of the episodes before everyone else so they can get to investigating and researching for their blogs?

#36. Posted by: LostedIt at December 31, 2009 12:08 PM

Just checked. Apparently "remissness" *is* a word. Yay me! ;)

#37. Posted by: LostedIt at December 31, 2009 12:11 PM

OMG ~ If you guys haven't been to this site yet, it's awesome. These guys "The Bare Naked Hurleys" have written some great lyrics to old favorites like "Your So Vain" aka "Son of a B*tch" ~ check it out, you'll enjoy. OH, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

http://barenakedhurley.blogspot.com/

#38. Posted by: BunnyLover at December 31, 2009 1:09 PM

So, BunnyLover - be in town tonight to watch the Vols play my actual Alma Mater? Or staying home? If you're going to be here give the word and we'll meet you guys.

May the best team win.

Go-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Hokies!

#39. Posted by: Cecil Rose at December 31, 2009 2:26 PM

@38 BunnyLover
re: barenakedhurley
Some of those are great!!

Happy New Years to all

#40. Posted by: mtncbn at December 31, 2009 7:06 PM

aww mac,
you deleteted no. 24 - cefspouff,
we coulda got him into lost!
who could forget kate juliet bitch fight in the mud!
hmmm...
we may have missed our chance to bring this guy on board.

#41. Posted by: san at December 31, 2009 8:21 PM

@San: I was tempted to leave it just to provide context for your response ;)

#42. Posted by: mac at January 1, 2010 9:09 AM

@ 42-mac.
glad you deleted his spam ass,
i was gonna click on his link but i didn't see the word "time travel" in his pitch,
hmmm....
happy new year all,
all the best for 2010.

#43. Posted by: san at January 1, 2010 7:05 PM

Hey, Happy New Year everybody!

Wow, 2010 - the year we make contact!

#44. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 2, 2010 3:01 AM

I decided, instead ioof jumping into my S-5 DVDs right away, I'm rewatching the whole series - on season per week, leading right up to the S-6 premiere.

I'll be posting anything that jumps out at me on re-watching.

S-1-1 Pilot part 1 - The first time we meet Kate, coming out of the woods for Jack to requisition as a suterer, she's rubbing her wrists - a small gesture that probably no one notices on first watching, but significant when we discover she's been wearing handcuffs.

S-1-4 White Rabbit - Jack's searching for water - and the apparition of his dead dad. One of the apparitions is at night, and he doesn't see it but hears it - the clinking of ice in a drink glass, which Jack instantly associates with his dead dad - and goes chasing the sound with a burning branch.

That's how Jack finds the cave - and when he first enters the cave, the floor is littered with porcelain dolls - anybody remember that?

#45. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 2, 2010 3:08 AM

Happy New Year to all! We are officially in the same year as Lost's series finale. So my to think about. So much to talk about. Gonna be a good run up to the season premier.

#46. Posted by: LostedIt at January 4, 2010 9:06 AM

Yeah, that would be so "much" to think about. Obviously the alcohol from NYE hasn't totally work off yet... ;)

#47. Posted by: LostedIt at January 4, 2010 9:07 AM

And THAT would be hasn't totally "worn" off yet... Wow... Seriously, I must avoid typing at all costs I think. Have no words left to use. Must... fight... off... goldschlager... on... brain...

#48. Posted by: LostedIt at January 4, 2010 9:09 AM

So on Nov 20, vacc said he would update his countdown clock and post a new photo caption "tomorrow". Nothing has posted from him.

Hey vacc, buddy, you OK? Still out there? Just busy? Hope it's nothing serious.

#49. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 4, 2010 9:50 AM

less than one month!
I haven't been following this board much lately, but...

Why is ABC's prime commercial for the return of Lost featuring Charlie????

Is it just to help with recognition for Flash Forward?

I can't wait for the start of the end!

#50. Posted by: 74 aka Steve at January 4, 2010 10:04 PM

I'm preparing for dissapointments this final season. That way, I'll appreciate it even more when they actually manage to tie everything together in satisfying ways. There's still so much to reveal.

I hope that Ben makes it to the final ep and then has an epic redemption/death scene :-)

#51. Posted by: Mischa at January 5, 2010 12:57 PM

Well my re-watch project is up through episode 1-19 "Deus ex Machina" and in it, Locke reveals to Boone that he was paralysed before coming to the island - I didn't remember Locke had ever told anyone.

Of course, Boone never gets a chance to tell anyone else because he takes his fatal fall shortly thereafter. So no one inside the story will ever get a chance to piece all the pieces together, unless maybe it's Benry.

Hope we do, outside the story.

#52. Posted by: Cecil at January 5, 2010 2:52 PM

Doc Jensen's prognostications continue on EW. http://tinyurl.com/cxpl9u Read up on his interpretations of the "Last Supper" image of the Lost cast on "Lost: 28 days to go". There's a heck of a lot of good detail about the picture foretelling possibilities for the final season. Also, be sure to check out the "Brokeback Island" video on the final page of his article showing Jack and Sawyer as the "couple". Quite funny.

#53. Posted by: LostedIt at January 5, 2010 4:01 PM

Sorry, Bunnylover that the Hokie treated UTennessee so roughly. I guess te moral is UT shouldn't schedule any school the Rose boys graduated from. So better watch out for USC and Murray State as well.

#54. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 5, 2010 6:30 PM

I saw the Lost Supper picture, too. I do not know what it foretells but I observed:
1. the table is a plane wing;
2. 2 human skulls are beneath them;
3. John is posed in Jesus position;
4. Kate is posed in the Peter position;
5. 7 are seated, 7 are standing;
6. the debris behind them is a modern building (re-bar seen) and not the Hatch because it imploded;
7. the table contains Dharma beer, cola, and two jars of peanut butter;
8. there is a white cup in front of Ilana, Clare and Jin;
9. there is a beer in front of Ilana, Clare, Sayid, Kate, Hurley, Miles and John;
10. the people without drinks are Sawyer, Jack, Ben, Sun and Frank;
11. the people to the left of Locke are Jack, Jin, Ben, Hurley, Sun, Miles and Frank;
12. the people to the right of Locke are Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Claire, Alpert and Ilana.

Is this graphic supposed to symbolize which team(s) the characters will be on?

#55. Posted by: welh at January 6, 2010 12:10 PM

LOST petition for Disney attraction:

http://tinyurl.com/ycjxdve

I'd go see it.

#56. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 6, 2010 1:36 PM

By the way... I just went on the same route (Sydney to LA) that Oceanic 815 went when it crashed on September 22, 2004. I'd be cooler if it was September 22, but I was still excited.

#57. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 6, 2010 1:40 PM

@ Cecil - sorry I couldn't make it New Year's Eve. Didn't want to drink and drive you know! And believe me, I drank a lot after the beating UT took. Embarrassing...

So ilovebenxx - you flew from Sydney to LA? Were you visting Sydney for New Year's Eve? How exciting! I've always wanted to go to anywhere in Austrailia just to scuba dive. Jealous!!!!!

#58. Posted by: BunnyLover at January 6, 2010 4:06 PM

@55: welh - Wow, totally didn't realize that was a plane wing! Nor did I see many of the other things that you did. I really need to take a course in observation or something. Between your and Doc Jensen's observations I cannot believe how much planning and detail they put into that one picture.

#59. Posted by: LostedIt at January 6, 2010 5:05 PM

@55-welh.
wow,
i just looked at this lost supper pic,
the first thing that came into my mind was,why the hell does it portray john locke as jesus,
loved the list of details you provided in your post.

#60. Posted by: san at January 6, 2010 8:15 PM

Rewatching orgy update:

Ep 1-23 Exodus, Part 1 Flashback - Jack meets Anna Lucia in the Sydney airport bar - didn't recall us meeting any Tailies in Season 1. Wounder what I thought at the time - "Ouch - there's a pretty one that didn't make it.?"

#61. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 7, 2010 12:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIFL104E9Ts&feature=player_embedded

Everything You Wanted to Hnow About Lost in 8 Minutes 15 Seconds - New and complete through Season 5.

#62. Posted by: Cecil at January 7, 2010 1:28 AM

@59 LostIt, @60 san, et al:

I am in deep detail mode during this final hiatus, as I have spent the break going through all my old show notes, observations, comments, postings, and theories to prepare for Season 6. In order to organize the diamonds and dirt clods of my mind, I have started to re-post and analyze my thoughts on a blog:

http://www.lostheory.blogspot.com

#63. Posted by: welh at January 7, 2010 9:41 AM

Hi y'all & Happy New Year...I'm looking forward to hearing from all the regulars again! Interested to see how TPTB wrap everything up...or not. ; )

Last season I missed about a quarter of it due to class, so I was happy that my class this semester is on Tuesdays, figuring that my Wednesdays were safe. Joke's on me...sigh. BTW, has anyone seen the news yet that the State of the Union address may pre-empt the season premiere?

#64. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 7, 2010 3:46 PM

@64 Alaïs_Longthought revealed:

>Hi y'all & Happy New Year...I'm looking forward to hearing from all the regulars again! Interested to see how TPTB wrap everything up...or not. ; )

I have every confidence D&C will wrap up every single little loose end... right after the island pigs start flying.


>Last season I missed about a quarter of it due to class, so I was happy that my class this semester is on Tuesdays, figuring that my Wednesdays were safe. Joke's on me...sigh.

That's what VCR's/DVR's are for.

>BTW, has anyone seen the news yet that the State of the Union address may pre-empt the season premiere?

So... you're saying Obama has no plans to stand for re-election? Maybe we'll send in Jack Bauer through those flooded subterranian tunnels beneath the White House.

#65. Posted by: Cecil at January 7, 2010 4:28 PM

And where. oh where, is Geof Vaccarella. You OK buddy?

#66. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 7, 2010 4:29 PM

#64. Alaïs_Longthought: you beat me to it by minutes! I was just getting ready to send this post:

Lost' fans fear Obama speech will bump premiere

By LAURI NEFF
Associated Press Writer


NEW YORK (AP) -- These fans would truly be lost without their favorite TV show - and they're taking their case to the top.

Fans of the ABC series about marooned plane crash survivors fear President Barack Obama will give his State of the Union address Feb. 2.

That's the same day as the three-hour premiere of the final season of "Lost."

Twitter comments Wednesday included "Leave my LOST alone, Skippy!" and "Come onnnn, Obama..pick another day."

The Facebook group "Americans Against the State of the Union on the Same Night as LOST" asks "When will it end?" It notes that Obama already bumped "A Charlie Brown Christmas" for his Afghanistan speech in some markets.

The White House isn't saying when Obama will speak. An ABC spokesman wouldn't say whether the network would consider moving the premiere.###

#67. Posted by: lovelost at January 7, 2010 4:47 PM

@ #27 bunnylover ~ my set certainly included a groovy luggage tag. my in-laws made fun of me for it already... we'll see who's laughing when i find my luggage first on the beach.

the 80's video is on the bonus disc - didn't come in the dvd case, but was attached on the outside with my tag. should be able to find it somewhere on youtube now... it was called "Mysteries of the Universe", surrounding the Dharma Initiative.

Long-finished season 5 re-watch, gone back to the beginning to watch again. i know it's been said before, but watching the first episode with the idea that jack has been there before... as in the first episode was his 'reset'... makes a lot of sense. just waiting to find out how ben's ninja stick got there beside his head...

#68. Posted by: driveshaft at January 7, 2010 10:58 PM

sorry for my elipsis over-use... it's my favourite :)

#69. Posted by: driveshaft at January 7, 2010 11:00 PM

#67. lovelost: Three-Hour Premiere

WHAT??? They can't do this to me! I don't get out of class until 7 & then it's an hour & a half to drive home...no!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#65. Cecil: VCRs

I know...I actually own one. The problem is is that once it's taped, I never seem to find the time to go back & watch it before I've read all about it here. Sigh.

#69. driveshaft: Ellipses

I can see you & I are going to have a contest this season...who uses the most ellipses? ; )


#70. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 8, 2010 12:57 AM

Woo Hoo!

National Champs!

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#71. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 8, 2010 2:20 AM

Cecil,
Just saw the commercials last night for the Survivor Heroes vs. Villains lineup.
Rupert and Colby back for a third time each?
And Boston Rob, Coach, and Russell on the same tribe may cause the universe to implode!
They went by so fast those were the only ones I noticed right off.

#72. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at January 8, 2010 1:28 PM

My sources tell me that Gibbs was asked the question during the daily press briefing and said that the State of Union address will not pre-empt the season debut of LOST. No other details yet. So, we'll see.

#73. Posted by: lovelost at January 8, 2010 1:43 PM

@73: lovelost - So glad to see this country has its priorities straight! ;)

Did someone seriously bring that up as a question to the President's staffer? O...M...G... I mean, among us I'd *expect* that, but out in the real world? Unbelievable. I'm sure ABC would find a way to move it to a different night or just start the whole thing one week later.

I know with Feb 2nd being Groundhog Day, one can't help but believe that the date selected is one huge in-your-face hint of the theme to the season (a la Bill Murray's same-named movie). But if the series started one day or one week later, other than some serious heart-palpitation by those on this and other similar boards who will have built to a froth-at-the-mouth frenzy by all of the build-up by then, does anything really change?

I know, blasphemy. I'll take my lashings with a wet noodle now. It's superb fun to get crazy about all of this. The anticipation, the speculation, every intriguing "Last Supper" image bringing things to yet another level of frenzy. It's spectacular just watching things all unfold. But for someone to even *ask* the President to change his agenda for our little TV show, much less expect him to do so? That reporter needs to take a pill, kiss their kids for the sheer wonder and miracle that they are, close his notepad, take his thumb out of his mouth, and get some perspective.

I apologize. Don't know why that riled me up so. Had to speak my mind on the subject.

Now, back to our own personal world...

The President's going to do his speech the same night as Lost? What's this world coming to?!?! Is there no justice in this world? We've waited for MONTHS, seemingly YEARS, to get to that date. WHYYYyyyyy?!?! I cannot bear another minute of anticipation added to the burden!! I've already carved the date on the wall above the calendar in the kitchen! It's written in STONE now (or at least sheetrock), STONE STONE stone stone..... I tell you... ...

So will the reboot have to reboot? We shall see. This might be more painful than a kidney stone, but it too shall pass...

Hey, what's the date again when we find out if anyone won one of those keys in a bottle that allow for special access to a preview of the series premier? I've forgotten and I'm leaving the office so I don't have time to open another page to find out. Ok, I'm lazy. Shoot me. ;)

Everyone have a great weekend!

#74. Posted by: Stan at January 8, 2010 5:11 PM

@74 Stan asked:

>Hey, what's the date again when we find out if anyone won one of those keys in a bottle that allow for special access to a preview of the series premier?

The contest rules say the entry period ends Jan 17 and the drawing for winners will be the next day, Jan 18.

Also something I didn't notice before - it says you must have the correct answers to be entered but will be allowed to change your answers until you've gotten them all correct.

I guess I must have gotten them right on the first try, since nothing popped up and told me I'd made an error and would have to change an answer to qualify.

#75. Posted by: Cecil at January 8, 2010 6:09 PM

punxsutawney philcould make a guest appearance on lost,
your president could "throw a sicky,
we dont care as long as we get to watch our season opener.

#76. Posted by: san at January 8, 2010 6:35 PM

ilovebenjaminlinusxx is happy with Obama again.

http://tinyurl.com/yld9ryu

@ BunnyLover - 58
So ilovebenxx - you flew from Sydney to LA? Were you visting Sydney for New Year's Eve? How exciting! I've always wanted to go to anywhere in Austrailia just to scuba dive. Jealous!!!!!

Yeah, I was. The fireworks were amazing!!! They seriously go all out. It was a lot of fun, and 16 hours early! =]

The whole trip was awesome. I also ran into David Anders on my way (who happens to be my second favorite villain ever).

#77. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 8, 2010 11:51 PM

@ILBLXXX

I'll bite. Wgat was David Anders a villain in?

And, by the way, by my calculations from reading previous year's posts, you must have started college this year, right? Might one ask which one you chose and what your major is? How are you liking college life.

#78. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 9, 2010 3:50 AM

@ 55 welh (myself!)

There is a second Lost Supper photo (with the characters facing straight into the camera).

Upon further review, both photos show the building rubble in the background as a Dharma station (logo), with over grown jungle on top of it. Also, Ilana is sitting on a broken airline seat, with another on the opposite end of the table (wing).

The second Lost Supper photo has changes I noticed:

1. John is the only one unchanged, still posed in Jesus position;
2. Kate is posed in the Peter position, but she is the only person with her hand on her face;
3. 7 are seated, 7 are standing, but Alpert, Sayid and Frank assume the same pose leaning on the wing;
4. characters who have changed places: Miles (Claire's old spot), Claire (Hurley), Hurley (Miles), Sun (Ben), Ben (Sun).
5. I found the new arrangement closer with the following people "covering" a person's back so to speak: Jack behind Locke, Sun behind Jin, Ben behind Claire, Sawyer behind Kate.
6. there is now a white cup in front of Ilana, Miles (not Claire) and Jin;
7. the people now to the left of Locke are Jack, Jin, Ben, Hurley, Sun, Claire and Frank;
8. the people now to the right of Locke are Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Miles, Alpert and Ilana.
9. Also, the second photo's background is the same, but the lightning is slighly different (a reference to Faraday's initial comments about the light on the island?)

#79. Posted by: welh at January 9, 2010 8:57 AM

@79-welh,
deep detail mode (DDM)continues to amaze me,
i had just began to consider the info you provided from lost supper pic #1,
the pictures may or may not have any relevance to the storyline for season 6,
if so im sure you will put it all together.

#80. Posted by: san at January 9, 2010 6:09 PM

After seeing the pictures, I wouldn't recommend spending much time analyzing them. Looks pretty random to me, just a fun idea they had for promo pics, a last/lost supper. There are no real clues or anything, I would be surprised if anything, significant to future developments on the show, can be deducted from them.

#81. Posted by: Mischa at January 9, 2010 8:38 PM

@ Cecil Rose - 78
I'll bite. What was David Anders a villain in?

I know him from Alias. It was funny because he asked me who my favorite was and we had a whole conversation about Michael Emerson, LOST, and J.J. Abrams. I wasn't sure if I was happy about how nice he was or disappointed that he didn't try to jump out of the plane or something. Ha... But I also know him from Heroes.

David Anders on IMDB:
http://tinyurl.com/yhokje7
_________

(Continued by Cecil Rose)
And, by the way, by my calculations from reading previous year's posts, you must have started college this year, right? Might one ask which one you chose and what your major is? How are you liking college life.

Yes, I did start college this year. I love it (academically and socially). I'm doing extremely well so far, and although it has only been one semester, I've been doing a good job at making myself stand out (which is one thing I was worried about going in).

I'm doubling in political science and history with the pre-law program. I'm pretty much minoring in criminology, but I can't declare it as a minor because I don't want to take all the policing classes and stuff.

Although I'm also in clubs and on the dance team, somehow I still watch a lot of TV. The only downside is that I haven't found any friends in my school that appreciate LOST the way I do, so I'll probably end up kicking my roommate out and watching it alone (which is the way I prefer it anyway). I even made sure I had an HDTV to watch it on. =]

Sorry for the ramble...

#82. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 11, 2010 1:11 AM

So Carlton Cuse claims: "Our cliffhangers are designed to frame the question that we want audience thinking about."

http://tinyurl.com/y9zmygn

I guess we're usually discussing the right stuff?

***POSSIBLE UNWANTED INFORMATION***

They also mentioned:

THR: You mentioned a narrative device, I'm assuming it's not a flashback or flashforward?

Cuse: Musical numbers. If you love Bollywood movies, you will love this season.

***END OF POSSIBLE UNWANTED INFORMATION***

What does that mean?!?! I'm getting extremely curious...

#83. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 11, 2010 1:38 AM

@75: Cecil - That was me, Cecil. A little too fast on the draw that time picking the name from the drop-down. Haven't made that mistake in all the years I've been hanging around here.

@76: san - "your president..." Are you "across the pond" somewhere? Or perhaps Canada?

@77: ilovebenjaminlinusxx - Yes, it would appear that Lost is more important than the leader of the free world giving a speech. Don't know what to make of that. Interestingly, Matthew Fox spilled some beans there in his discussion of the upcoming season. Apparently the first 1/3 of the season will entail further jumping around through time before settling down on the island for a "final battle".

@79: welh - Love the observations you manage to eek out of these photos. Quite interesting that they'd put out a second version of the same photo. Could it be that one is meant to represent individuals' alliances early in the final season and the other represents the same alliances later in the season? Could prove incredibly interesting to see how these photos' relevance turn out to be once 20-20 hindsight comes into play.

@81: Mischa - I've got to believe that there's more to it than some "glamour shots" when they put so much effort into prepping these scenes and then even more effort to subtly change them for a second photo. Hope you're wrong but I'll try to be the first to point it out later in the season if you're correct.

@82: ilovebenjaminlinusxx - congrats on starting your college career! Glad to see you've still got some time left to check in here once in a while. Don't want to turn all lecture-y here and give out a bunch of advice. All I want to say is have a fantastic time (but be careful!) and remember that you own your learning "career" from here forward (no mom and dad over your shoulder any more). You've got a great head on your shoulders.

Lastly, I just want to say I was pleasantly surprised to find so many posts after the weekend after such a long period of one or two messages every few days to a week. Glad to see some of the "old crowd" returning in force. Here we go on our way to the big season finale premier!

#84. Posted by: LostedIt at January 11, 2010 9:17 AM

@84-LostedIT,
i meant no disrespect with my "your president" comment,
im actually in Falkirk,central scotland.

#85. Posted by: san at January 11, 2010 2:35 PM

@Stan

YOU ARE PRICELESS!!!! :)

#86. Posted by: tifani at January 11, 2010 2:47 PM

I'm sure they were being sarcastic/kidding with the whole bollywood thing. I don't think I made that clear. Ha...

@ LostedIt - 84
Thank you! I'm on winter break right now. Hopefully I don't get too busy once the season and semester start. I'm anticipating it won't be much of a problem.

I'd say I'm generally a responsible person... maybe too much of a neat freak though. =]

#87. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 11, 2010 10:38 PM

@85: san - No offense taken, truly. I just observed that you must be in a different country and was interested where that might be.

@86: tifani - Actually, that was me. Clicked the wrong name from the drop-down. But thanks nonetheless. Now if I can just get on a MasterCard commercial! ;)

@87: ilovebenjaminlinusxx - Cleanliness is next to godliness. ;) Hey, where's the picture of the Benjamin Linus bobble-head doll you were going to post?

#88. Posted by: LostedIt at January 12, 2010 9:30 AM

@88: thanks for letting me know LostedIt, and it's actually tiffani with two f's. :) i couldnt spell my own name that day for some reason.

You definitely need a mastercard commerical.

Namaste!!

#89. Posted by: tiffani at January 12, 2010 9:54 AM

This one's great: How each Lost character would make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. ILBLXX, you'll appreciate how Jack makes one.

http://tinyurl.com/y88gzj4

#90. Posted by: LostedIt at January 12, 2010 2:16 PM

Anybody know when/if FlashForward is returning?

#91. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 12, 2010 4:43 PM

ABC site lists the return date for Flash Forward as March 18th

#92. Posted by: Debunker at January 12, 2010 4:56 PM

Bravo Google!

http://tinyurl.com/yecp9nz

Finally a company with the nads to stand up to the Chinese govt ... BTW, official ROC government policy is STILL to bring down ALL capitalist societies (read their constitution!), and we're payrolling the way to our own destruction via big corporate investment in China. Newsflash, they don't give a crap about us (nor their own people with the audacity to speak truth!), and will gladly accept our cash with one hand and stab us in the back with the other (with a knife purchased from the cash we gave them).

As we are distracted with Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran, the REAL threat bides time and builds for conflict (China is currently in the midst of the largest military build-up in history ... that's right, EVER, even including WWII ... look it up. Uh, why do you think that might possibly be?).

Time to wake the hell up, and realize the Chinese are taking complete advantage of our own greed ... and it is entirely ideologically consistent for their authoritarian communist leadership to employ our own capitalist tools in order to bring us down; it is after all, merely guerilla warfare on a grander scale. Yet one more aspect of Wall Street selfishness and short-sightedness (along with greased palms in Washington!) run amok that will eventually come around to bite us in the ass.

... IMO ...

Of course I'm a cynic, and believe nothing will be done, or even realized, until it is far too late ... status quo.

I know, time for me to go wandering off again muttering under my breath ... rumble, grumble, mumble, "get off my lawn!," rumble, grumble, mumble ... Damn, I'm going to make an excellent cranky old man!

#93. Posted by: ealgumby at January 13, 2010 8:58 AM

Maybe if we could find a way to jump to the past and explode an atom bomb under the Long March?

Say, there's this funky island in the South Pacific...

#94. Posted by: Cecil at January 13, 2010 10:13 AM

#93. ealgumby: Being a cranky old man:

Just as long as your name's not Jerry... ; >

#94. Cecil: Exploding an atomic bomb under the Long March:

Ah, but if What Happened Happened, exploding Jughead wouldn't change the outcome of the Long March, right? ; )

I still have a major problem w/WHH.

General question: Is LOST going to be on Tuesdays all season, or just for the premiere?

#95. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 13, 2010 1:12 PM

@93-ealgumby.
but tell us what you REALLY think of the chinese govt.....

#96. Posted by: san at January 13, 2010 5:12 PM

#85. Posted by: san

Hey, San, I'll be in Scotland at the end of July/first part of August. Maybe after LOST is over (sob, sob)we can talk about Scotland. I'll be in Edinburgh, St Andrews, Aberdeen, Inverness, Dornoch.

Meanwhile, namaste.

#97. Posted by: lovelost at January 13, 2010 6:45 PM

@97-lovelost.
you are making the classic mistake of visiting all of the things you think you should see during your time in scotland,
come to my house with "good" boots,warm waterproof jacket & tenacity,
i will show you my country.

#98. Posted by: san at January 13, 2010 8:09 PM

@98: san - Now THAT'S the sound of a true Scot! A hint of fire in the belly and a whole lot of home town hospitality to boot.

#99. Posted by: LostedIt at January 14, 2010 9:59 AM

After LOST, I always thought Desmond would become a Scottish tour guide & pub crawler.

#100. Posted by: welh at January 14, 2010 10:16 AM

Hey did anyone catch naveen andrews on law&order svu last night??.... he was looking YUMMY!!! ;) They need to give him a reoccuring role.

Ladies, back me up.

#101. Posted by: tiffani at January 14, 2010 12:46 PM

What do you guys think happens with Jughead?

If whatever happened, happened, I'm guessing Juliet activates Jughead. By doing that, she's not changing anything, she's causing the incident that we already know about.

So I'm guessing Jughead explodes. Daniel's theory about changing everything can't be true. That's not what we want to happen now. First we need to find out all the things that have already happened. So no death. It doesn't make sense to me, that the explosion would cause the Lostees to conveniently foom away from harm. So I'm now thinking that the fooming might be controlled by someone/thing/whatever. Using the Lostees and others as pawns/agents on a chessboard of time. Jacob seems the likely candidate, knowing how he has already steered these people's lives toward the Island before (or after... ehm).

When he said 'they're coming', right before he seems to die, I think he was talking about the foomers.

#102. Posted by: Robbedoes at January 14, 2010 3:53 PM

You are making the classic mistake... come to my house with "good" boots,warm waterproof jacket & tenacity, i will show you my country.
#98. Posted by: san

It's a golf trip, what more can I say? And I'm traveling with 3 other ladies. As the time nears, we'll have to "talk". Who knows? We may all descend upon your house! THEN we'll see who has tenacity! ;-) Meanwhile, we can only hope to run into Desmond. sigh

#103. Posted by: lovelost at January 14, 2010 4:44 PM

@ILBLXX

I hope you've become aware of and seen the "Benry Knows Best" series of micro-miniature cartoons made by someone who defeintely feels the same sympathy for Ben Linus that you do and featured on The Ack Attack website.

If not, start here:

www.theackattack.net/?cat=130&paged=7

Start at the bottom and read upwards to see the stips in their original chonological order, then click the "Newer Entries" for the next set.

Be sure and read the responses (by clicking on the title) as well as viewing the strips (by clicking on the buttons), to see just how many Ben sympathizers there are out there.

And lastly, inspired by the popular web phenomenon "Linus in Hats":

linusinhats.tumblr.com/

We now have "BEN Linus in Hats":

benlinusinhats.tumblr.com/

Post your own!

#104. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 15, 2010 1:05 PM

Hey Cecil ~ Thanks for the links to Ben in hats. Too funny.

Now, if you don't mind, can you post a link for a new football coach for Tennessee?

#105. Posted by: BunnyLover at January 15, 2010 3:25 PM

@103-lovelost.
(HEALTH & SAFTETY WARNING)
FLYING TO ISLANDS CAN BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
for more information on this subject please call DR. jack shephard on 4815 162 342.
but joking aside,
i hope you & your friend have a very good time when you visit scotland,
i also hope the weather will be kind to you,
i would be happy to chat with you as your trip draws closer.
namaste.

#106. Posted by: san at January 15, 2010 4:57 PM

@ Cecil Rose - 104
Thanks for the links! I've actually been looking at the Benry Knows Best(s) since the beginning (ish). I think someone posted a link to the Ack Attack a season or two ago (may have been you), and most of us have been fans ever since.

But I second BunnyLover. The "Ben Linus in Hats" is too funny!!! I may submit my own when I get photoshop to work on my mac.

@ LostedIt - 88
"Cleanliness is next to godliness. ;) Hey, where's the picture of the Benjamin Linus bobble-head doll you were going to post?"

It's in my dorm room... I took a picture of it but it's not too good. I'll post one when I get a better one once I go back to school Sunday. =]

Regarding the PB&J link:
I got a great kick out of reading those! Thanks for sharing that! Yes, Jack's was very true... I think Hurley and Libby's were the best though. =P

#107. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 16, 2010 1:08 AM

TPTB at ABC are messing with our heads. There is now a third Lost Supper picture floating around the net.

#108. Posted by: welh at January 16, 2010 9:58 AM

#103: lovelost meeting Desmond:

If you're traveling w/three friends, don't forget the Hot Scots replicator so you can all have a Desmond! ; >

#109. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 16, 2010 1:20 PM

Like Cecil, I try to spend my "offseason" rewatching the series, although I do my best to watch it in chronological, rather than episodic order.

Among all the disc swapping, I recently rewatched "Flashes Before Your Eyes". I think in retrospect this may prove to be one of the most critical epis of the first few seasons.

We get to see how Widmore and Hawking have been working off-island to guarantee that the Oceanic flight gets to the island, plus TPTB have said that "Flashes" lays the groundwork for how time travel works in the Lost universe.

Des is directly exposed to the energy at the Swan, throwing his consciousness back to a critical point in his life. While Hawking speaks to him of his destiny, ultimately Des must relive the critical decision to sacrifice his life with Penny and get to the island, and this time the decision is one of free will.

So the critical players of Lost at the end of season 5 were just exposed to massive energy from the Swan station. Will it be any surprise if their consciousness goes back in time, perhaps to where they were "bookmarked" by Jacob's touch, and now they must relive their lives, except this time they must choose of their own free will to go to the island to save the day?

Don't know if that is what season 6 is all about, but it would offer great symmetry to end the season, plus hit dead on the issues of sacrifice, destiny, redemption and free will that the entire series has revolved around.

#110. Posted by: Mizzed at January 17, 2010 12:57 AM

@110 Mizzed:

that's an interesting idea. Then again, how would that work? Kate and Sawyer were just kids when Jacob came to them. Seems weird that their post-jughead exploding conscience would be transferred to their childhood self. And what about Locke and Sun? They were touched by Jacob as well, but they're not present at the incident.

Perhaps you are on the right track, but there is another twist to it, that we can't see yet.

#111. Posted by: Mischa at January 17, 2010 5:14 AM

@111 Mischa:

you raise valid questions. I'm not sure (yet) that Jacob's visit to Locke and Ilana were in the same class as his other visits- these seemed to be more of a physical healing. Jacob appears to bring Locke back from the dead after his fall- if true, that means Jacob intends for his death at the hands of Nemesis-Locke to occur: the Obi-Wan- style death others have referenced.

The rest of the visits seemed to revolve around moral crossroads: Sawyer and Kate being broken from early ages, Jin and Sun just before Jin became an enforcer for her dad (ultimately leading to Sun's affair), Jack just when the problems with Christian emerge that leads to a failed marriage and his father's death, Sayid when Nadia's death turned him into Ben's killer assassin.

Hurley has no moral crossroads, and remains one of the only honest and giving characters on the show, so it seems fitting his visit didn't come earlier in life and was the last- the night before the return to the island when he had lost faith.

"Flashes" and "Constant" didn't necessarily say that one would have to live their entire life over- perhaps the redo happens only at critical, life changing moments. As Jacob says to Jack- "when things get stuck, sometimes they need a little push."

A sticking point is that all of the consciousness jumping characters so far- Des, Faraday's assistant, Charlotte, Minkowski- were physically in two places, while their conscious mind was only in one.

Since I don't think our Losties will be shown laying around the Swan semi-comatose while their minds take a vacation, I'm leaning towards their death in the Incident (as Richard claims he saw), followed by a spritual resurrection back to Jacob's touch.

If you agree it is unlikely that season 6 will leave them in 1977, the other option seems to be the incident moving them back to the present- but that plot choice seems too simple for a show that always likes to take the long way home.

Anyone have a choice C, I'd love to hear it.

#112. Posted by: Mizzed at January 18, 2010 2:09 AM

@112 mizzed:
There are too many time travel concepts to try to figure out what is going on:

Desmond's mind travel = explosion + island energy + strong memory (constant)but body stayed in same time.

Locke & Ben turn FDW = full body time travel.

Based upon Juliet already in full time travel mode, her explosion + island energy + strong memory (Sawyer) should equal (additional) mind travel but her body should stay in 1977 (?)

#113. Posted by: welh at January 18, 2010 10:48 AM

@#112. Posted by: Mizzed at January 18, 2010 2:09 AM

Thanks for responding and I like what you're saying. I agree that Jughead will detonate and the foomers won't stay in 77. That leaves several more options open, though:

A They die but their ghosts linger on the Island
B They are foomed back to present day
C They foom even further back into the past
D They foom into the future
E Some foom back, others forward

But knowing this show, something else entirely will probably happen :)

#114. Posted by: Mischa at January 18, 2010 2:33 PM

at last i have a date for the season 6 opener for the UK,
we are being made wait until friday 5th of february to see the final season premiere.
will i take this delay as just one of these things we have to put up with?
HELL NO!!
i am usualy a patient guy,
i wait for the train,bus,sugary microwave snacks,
but i refuse to wait until stupid friday the stupid 5th of february to see the new season,
i will have a plan (call my son) to see the show a few hours after you guys get to see it.

#115. Posted by: san at January 18, 2010 8:36 PM

@105 BunnyLover

>Now, if you don't mind, can you post a link for a new football coach for Tennessee?

Well, they had David Curcliff, briefly, last week, and then they didn't again.

Maybe Mike Shcula is available?

#116. Posted by: Cecil at January 19, 2010 1:15 AM

@110 Mizzed confused me with:

>Like Cecil, I try to spend my "offseason" rewatching the series, although I do my best to watch it in chronological, rather than episodic order.

Including flashback/forwards? Man that's a lot of disk swapping.

I always said that it would be very interesting to dub the whole thing, scene by scene, into chronological order. So ChronoLost would start with Jacob and Esau/Loophole/Number 2/Man in Black's scene on the beach and end with Sun and Frank meeting Christian in the rec-hall. (At least for now.)

Although if Jughead generates an alternate timeline we might have to go split-screen part of the time.

Show of hands - how many think the bomb reset everything and 815 never crashes and the flight goes on to LAX - name of the first S-6 ep?

And if Jughead doesn't reset everything are all the Losties back in 1977 dead and and the show carries on with Sun, Frank, Ji-Yeon and Aaron the only remaining principles - oh, and Ben, Widmore and Mrs Hawking, of course. And Richard and Zuleika Robinson, whatever her name was.

#117. Posted by: Cecil at January 19, 2010 1:30 AM

Having just finished S-2, one thing that stands out to me is - remember how we chided "Jack's" what would it take to train an army?" line for never pying off.

But a few eps after that line, in the S.O.S. episode, Anna Lucia mentions to Jack that Bernard is having trouble getting help building his gigantic rescue sign for the same reason that 'nobody wanted to join our army' - because everyone was feeling too safe and comfortable on the island by this time and didn't want to rock the boat.

#118. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 19, 2010 1:35 AM

@115: san - Doesn't ABC post the episode for viewing online within about 12-24 hours of it premiering on TV? How are they planning on preventing people like yourself from just going to their site and watching it?

@117: Cecil - My vote is that the bomb does the proverbial "reboot" that it was intended to do. That being said, perhaps we're going to either start the season with them at LAX or show how they all manage to still get drawn to LAX for the fateful flight. Hey, what if the reboot places them on flight 815 *after* it's already taken off?

That being said, we already know there's still some time travel left in the first part of the season before things "settle down" to a final battle on-island. Don't know what that means in terms of time travel, but it's all we have to go on. With all of the now-dead actors being recruited back for the final season one can bet there will be a lot of reloading of the first 5 seasons, if slightly or greatly different than the first time around. It should be interesting nonetheless.

We likely will expect a large part of the "big picture" to get filled in (a-la the battle between Jacob and MIB) and the "small picture" (the Losties) will play out against the backdrop of their overall struggle against...what? One another? Some greater force than even them? Time itself? That will be what drives the final season. We've been given a crack of a view into who they are and what they've been doing. The final season likely will blow that crack wide open and deposit the Losties front and center in the battle (what battle?) that is to become the centerpiece that takes us to the end of the season and the series itself. We'll learn how much bigger than them this all really is and how much they are pawns vs. actual catalysts in changing the cycle that Jacob and MIB are presumably stuck in. I'm thinking whomever is really on the side of good (I'm definitely hedging my bets on this one - this is D&C we're talking about here so it could be either one, or perhaps neither of them!) has a plan for breaking the cycle and helping the Losties out of their individual personal issues in the process. The hows, whens, whys, wheres, I can't provide even a clue beyond what I've already hypothesized. I can only say that THAT is what the final season is for. Oh, and we'll never find out Libby's story. Deal with it. ;)

#119. Posted by: LostedIt at January 19, 2010 10:04 AM

Oh, one more thing. My thought is that the plan for breaking the cycle has already begun. The chess game of move and counter-move began long ago. The killing of Jacob looked like checkmate to MIB but it will turn out to have been a ruse, a distraction, so that Juliet and the rest could accomplish the first really big move in the game that sets in motion the final battle that has been talked about for the past two seasons. It will be Lostie against Lostie with even us not knowing which side is the right one for a good part of the season until the final episode(s) put everyone towards a common goal and a final push reveals a winner and the angels come from heaven and sing their praise and... um, err... ... ... uh, yeah... Let's just watch and enjoy the whole thing because once it's over it's over. Hopefully it ends as the masterpiece it has been building up to becoming over the last five seasons and everything after it will have to live up to it for years and years to come...

Go team?...

;)

#120. Posted by: LostedIt at January 19, 2010 10:16 AM

Wow, ok, so just so everyone doesn't think I've *really* LostedIt, there was a bunch of text in there surrounded by brackets that was removed by the blogging system. After, the "and..." and the "um, err..." and the "..." were interspersed things like *uncomfortable pause* and *fanatical expression* and *blink blink*. You know, all of the things that would have given a hint that I was going off the deep end on purpose just to be funny. Instead, I just looked crazy. *sigh* (remembering not to use brackets this time) Perhaps that's really how it should remain, the rantings of a crazy person. We all need to lose it once in a while. Gives us some character and shows we're not taking ourselves too seriously around here.

#121. Posted by: LostedIt at January 19, 2010 10:32 AM

[Brackets OK]
{Braces OK}
(Parentheses OK)


"GT/LT thingees NOT OK"


On the fourth line above I use the "less than" thingee and the "greater than" thingee. If I'm correct they will not come through.

This line will not come though becuase the blogging system thinks it's html and knocks it out.

#122. Posted by: Cecil at January 19, 2010 11:08 AM

@117 Cecil:

I always feared that the secret of LOST will be production editing slight of hand: the linear story line chopped up into segments, shuffled up and played out of order to create mysteries. In order to fully understand the story, one will have to buy the ABC 6-box set Chronology Correct blue ray discs after S6 ends.

If Juliet exploded Jughead within the energy field, then like Desmond turning the fail safe key, there should be no time jump. Since the Island Rules have not been explained, I suspect a different result. I think the writers need to get everyone in the same time period in order to resolve separated character story lines. S6 probably will begin exactly the same as S1 started, with Jack opening his eye in the jungle.

#123. Posted by: welh at January 19, 2010 11:10 AM

Guys,

The Onion has got us pegged.

www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to?utm_source=videoembed

#124. Posted by: Cecil at January 19, 2010 11:15 AM

@117 Cecil:

yes, lots of disc swapping. But seeing things in chronological order helps make connections I miss when I watch the episodes as originally presented. It's fanatical, I know.

@119 LostedIt:

My Jacob touch-reboot theory in #110 still works with them in LAX in episode #1. Guess: we see them arrive in LAX in a mirror image sequence from "Exodus" in season #2- then the first few episodes of the season rollback to the reboot and show us how they got there second time around. (Dead actors: resume your places on set!)

@113 welh:

No question, time travel as presented so far is inconsistent and confusing.

My thought is that the Des consciousness jumping will prove to be the rule, while the FDW/Ajira jumping will be the exception.

We were told that the dislodged FDW caused the island to be unstuck in time, randomly depositing our group throughout time.

I think that's false. First of all, not everyone was dislodged- the Others, Dharma, (and presumably the local wildlife) did not travel through time- selected individuals only.

Secondly, if the timejumps were random, they could have put the Sawyer-Locke group anywhere from the distant past (Locke hunts dinosaur) to the far off future. It didn't- it put them where they were specifically needed to complete an action:

54: Start the Richard "con" that Locke was special while securing Jughead, 88/89: save Rousseau so Alex would be born so she could be killed by Keamy so that Ben would flee to the Orchid and turn the FDW, 04: perpetuate the Nemesis Locke plan with the handing over of the compass, 74: save Amy/Ethan, etc., all while convincing Locke to voluntarily jettison himself from the island.

Same thing with the Ajira flight- certain individuals were selected to go to a specific time and complete specific actions.

This seems less like time travel and more like game play: game pieces are physically moved to different pieces of the gameboard for strategic purposes.

Whether these moves were orchestrated by Jacob, Nemesis or both (alternating moves?) remains to be seen.

TPTB have compared season 6 to season 1. All indications are that Jack, etc. will somehow have to return to LAX and complete a do-over, this time mixing a little of free will into the destiny cocktail.

The only other character seen so far who has specifically acknowledged reliving segments of his life for the greater good? Desmond. How did it occur? Consciousness Time Jumping. Could I be absolutely, positively, 100% wrong? Without question.

#125. Posted by: Mizzed at January 19, 2010 11:19 AM

I guess I just don't like the reboot scenario. I keep looking for other ideas.

I like the idea that whatever happened, happened. What if Juliet, Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hugo, etc die during the incident and their 'ghosts' remain on the Island. In s6, we could be reliving events from previous seasons, from the perspective of the dead Lostees. And finding out that they influenced some or a lot of what happened to themselves and others.

Fi, maybe Ghost Kate showed herself the ghost horse.

#126. Posted by: Mischa at January 19, 2010 12:20 PM

@ You all everybody... ; )

A girlfriend just sent me a link to a site called "Seed.com." It appears to be a beta run by AOL; they're looking for writers & photographers to contribute articles on various topics. I looked into it a little bit, but you can't get past the first couple of pages w/o signing up for it & I didn't feel like doing that. But my friend said that there are LOST-related articles there, including one of Pg. 47 entitled "The Ten Best LOST Moments." Anyway, w/all of the intelligence flying around here, I thought that someone might be interested in writing for the site...especially as it pays. Just imagine, getting money for enjoying our favorite obsession! ; )

#127. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 19, 2010 12:35 PM

@126 Mischa expounded:

>I guess I just don't like the reboot scenario. I keep looking for other ideas.

Here's another one. Jughead exploded but it's effects were localized because the magnetic anomaly at the bottom of the shaft absorbed all the energy of the A-bomb, making it even more powerful.

Thus only Juliet died and the Swan was pre-excavated for the Dharma folks - they just need to furnish it once Pierre Chang perfects the the energy-dissapating mechanism and start pressing the button.

Now the Losties have to start from scratch at coping with the island. Having shot their bolt with Dharma, they're forced to defect to the Hostiles, and in 2007/8 80-year-olds Jack and Sawyer join either Jacob or MIB in fighting the good fight.

#128. Posted by: Cecil at January 19, 2010 12:55 PM

@128 Cecil:

The Ultimate Grandfather Paradox?
When Jack visited his 80 year old grandfather and found the shoes for Locke, he was really visiting his 80 year old self?!

#129. Posted by: welh at January 19, 2010 3:10 PM

@129 welh presented and interesting, but flawed, scenario:

>The Ultimate Grandfather Paradox?
When Jack visited his 80 year old grandfather and found the shoes for Locke, he was really visiting his 80 year old self?!

But he only went back to 1977. Absent further time jumps, not far enough back to have met, married, and had children with his grandmother. (Or met, had an affair with.)

Now we *might* be able to cook up a Jack=Christian scenario. Oooh Oedipal connotations!

Robert Heinlein did it better in "All You Zombies."

*** Spoiler alert ***

Don't read any further if you don't want to be spoiled for the Heinlien story.

Young girl grows up in orphanage. Coming of age, meets older man who seduces her, has his baby. Gets recruited by secret time-traveling service as agent, has to give up her baby, traveling back in time to deposit her at an orphanage, which grows up to become her.

While agent, has sex change operation, becomes functioning male. Goes back in time, seduces and impregnates earlier female self. Later on as older man, goes back and recruits his earlier female self for secret agency.

Writing about his life, says "I don't find my life confusing at all. I know exactly where I came from every step of the way. What I don't understand is where all you zombies came from."

#130. Posted by: Cecil at January 19, 2010 4:56 PM

They foom.
They foomed.
They are fooming.
They have foomed.
They were fooming.
They had foomed.
They had been fooming.
They will have been fooming.
They will foom.
They will have foomed.
They will be fooming.
They have been fooming.

having foomed

#131. Posted by: Gramma Head Lice at January 19, 2010 9:52 PM

@131: Gramma Head Lice - All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. (much easier with cut/paste than when Nicholson had to do it on a typewriter...)

@130: Cecil - Amazingly, I've never read that book and now you've ruined it for me! Ruined ruined ruined! ;) So, why would the guy call everyone else zombies?

@127: Ala�s_Longthought - I'm going to hold out on this one pending further confirmation. There was once a site that claimed to be looking for local writers in every city that collected your information and later turned out to be a spammer - there was no online magazine to speak of. I certainly think you or whomever found this site has better sleuthing abilities than I did way back in the day, but still the best looking site does not a legitimate site make...

@124: Cecil - They completely nailed us to the floor! Oh! I've got to post that to all of my friends just so they can expound their pent-up frustrations on me.

@123: welh - I'm subscribing to the "if D&C say it is so, then it is so" theory of Lost for the remainder of the show. It rarely comes to pass that continuity and/or realistic science will win out over the reality within the Lost world, so I'm just going to roll with the story as they present it and to heck with the inconsistencies! It'll make the ride much nicer. "That'll keep you going for the show, c'mon it's time to go..." - Pink Floyd

#132. Posted by: LostedIt at January 20, 2010 9:25 AM

@132 LostedIt bemoaned"

>@130: Cecil - Amazingly, I've never read that book and now you've ruined it for me! Ruined ruined ruined! ;) So, why would the guy call everyone else zombies?

You were spoiler-warned. And it's a short story, not a book, and well worth reading even spoiled for the seamless way he knits it together. Not sure what collection you'd find it in these days.

He called everyone else zombies because he understood exactly where every bit of his germ plasm was generated, but was mystified where everyone else came from. Thinking back to origins, it's a mind-bending thing to ponder. Sure, you came from your father and mother, but where did they come from? Repeat to infinity.

#133. Posted by: Cecil at January 20, 2010 10:51 AM

Another excellent Heinlein short story involving time-travel paradoxes is "By His Bootstraps", which I won't further describe here to keep LostedIt unspoiled.

#134. Posted by: Cecil at January 20, 2010 10:56 AM

@134: Cecil - I'm sure you realized I was kidding, but just wanted to post a message stating as such just in case. I'm almost equally sure that you'll post one asking me what drug I'm taking to think that I thought you thought I was serious. Then I'll have to post one saying I thought you thought I thought I was serious so I thought I should think of a proper way to clear things up to prevent further misthoughts on the subject of thought-provocation, thus the reason for this timely and thoughtful revocation of my evocation and delineation of my aggravation from actual elation.

Thusly spoke, thusly resolved. ;)

#135. Posted by: LostedIt at January 20, 2010 11:19 AM

BTW, no bunnies were harmed in the creation of that last message.

#136. Posted by: LostedIt at January 20, 2010 11:20 AM

Interesting. I just got to S-3-2 in my rewatch last night, and got to see Sawyer's "Did you just kill that bunny?" and "How do I know you didn't just paint '8' on another bunny?" lines delivered to Ben.

#137. Posted by: Cecil at January 20, 2010 12:28 PM

@128 Cecil:

I would definitely prefer that scenario over the reboot.

On another subject, I went to see The Road, with Viggo Mortensen, based on a Cormack McCarthey novel. Awesome movie. Tragic, but awesome.

#138. Posted by: Mischa at January 20, 2010 2:28 PM

For anyone who hasn't checked it out Ack has posted links to all her Lost photp recaps on her site

www.theackattack.net/

A side splitting way to get back up to speed.

#139. Posted by: Cecil at January 20, 2010 4:57 PM

@124-cecil.
i just checked out the onion.net link you posted,
had me laughing so much,
are we LOST fans really that annoying...
its not as though we approach strangers on the street, trying to convert them to our faith,
i did however try to get my 22 year old star trek obsessed son to have a look at LOST,
no luck yet but i wont give up trying,
i may have to tell him that the federation & starfleet feature heavily on the show,
just to get him hooked.

#140. Posted by: san at January 20, 2010 5:21 PM

I don't recall anyone posting this right now, but Ack posted it... it really made me laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwICmPYCXdM

Very well orchestrated...

I vote for no reboot... or if they do, everything will just happen the same way. I also like the idea of "whatever happened, happened".

So over winter break my friend and I were re-watching LOST, and we noticed and discussed many things. Then we came to the revaluation that we noticed and discussed these same exact things the first time around. Then we realized how out-of-sync we were and concluded that re-watching season 5 was a good decision.

Let's just say, the "wtf moments", (which are literally 90% of the show), never seem to get old.

#141. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at January 20, 2010 9:32 PM

I'm actually on board for WHH, followed by reboot for a handful of individuals. Any scenario that involves wiping away everything that has occurred and allowing Oceanic to safely land in LAX will be difficult for me to swallow.

Moving on, after having rewatched "Live Together", I guess that the concept of "Desmond must go to the island" because "Oceanic must crash" offers possible answers to formerly vexing questions:

1. Why did the Others conduct the purge after 20+ years of tolerating Dharma?

A. No idea on why 1992, other than it had to happen prior to 2001. Because for Desmond to become co-captain of the all button pushing team, Dharma had to be neutralized- it would have been unlikely that the marooned Des would have been assigned permanent Swan duty in a fully functioning Dharma. In addition, by using poison gas, that would have convinced the Swan residents that they were essentially quarantined inside.

2. Why did the Others leave Radzinsky and Inman alone in the Swan after killing everybody else?

A. See above- for the Desmond scenario to play out, the Swan needed to be isolated and cut off but still functioning. Way back in Season 2, TPTB suggested that Ben was kept in the dark about the Swan (we certainly know Richard knew about it), perhaps for the same reasons that he was never summoned by Jacob. The jaw dropping Great Manipulator of past seasons has turned out to be simply middle management.

3. With Dharma disabled, how did the supply drops continue to happen?

A. This is an admitted stretch, but it was important for the residents of the Swan to continue to believe that Dharma somewhere was still functioning for them to continue to push that button. What better way to keep the machine rolling than to provide them with ongoing supplies?

And who potentially could pull that off better than Widmore- he has major manufacturing at his disposal, knows that Dharma has been wiped out, knows the Swan is still functioning, may or may not have some level of access to the island, and is aware that Desmond is destined to get to the island. This qualifies as a Big Heaping Guess, but it fits.

4. Libby? what the?

A. For a long time the speculation was that Libby was a Dharma agent. After season 5, I'd suggest she was recruited and working for either Widmore and/or Hawking. Starbucks special: buy an Americano, get a free sailboat. If Libby was a Widmore agent, it would also go a long way in explaining how she ended up on the Oceanic flight.

#142. Posted by: Mizzed at January 20, 2010 11:46 PM

@142: Mizzed - I'd agree that perhaps they let Des and his ilk continue to press the button because it suited their need to have someone do it so why not leave it to the Dharma people to do it. They could keep watch over the button-pushers from the station with all of the monitors at the Pearl to make sure they didn't abandon their post (but that doesn't explain why they let Des *not* push the button that one time and cause the crash of flight 815).

Regarding Widmore being the one running the supply drops, he did *not* know where the island was (he was searching forever for it and when it was finally located, long after Des stopped being a button-pusher, Widmore sent the ship there to capture Ben) so he couldn't have been the one. Don't know who else to propose, although one idea put forth in the past was that all of the drops actually had already occurred, but were done by coming at the island from different angles/coordinates, thus causing the drops to arrive at vastly different times even if they actually were performed in a relatively short period of time. I don't recall if we ever really got an answer as to what would happen if one didn't follow the proper coordinates to/from the ship, but I do remember that the body of one of the crewmen arrived on the island *prior* to his actual death on the ship, which led to the theory of the food drops happening at different times than their actual drops.

Regarding Libby, she's the one person who really ever got close enough to Hurley to make a difference in his life. Holy crap: *OK, BIG REVELATION EVERYONE THAT JUST CAME TO MY HEAD SO I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE* - The only other person to have such influence over Hurley was Dave, the "imaginary friend" dead guy who tried to get Hurley to kill himself. Looking at it from the distance of time and the knowledge of Jacob and MIB, I'm now getting the feeling that this episode might have contained an unknown-to-us-at-the-time potentially seriously significant moment in the Lost story. Think about it, Hurley is the only other person to have actually seen Jacob's cabin besides Ben. There's always been something special about him that's been hinted at a number of times but subtly, in fringe ways. Plus, he's the only one that had trouble getting his heart into going onto the flight. Everyone else had fate paving their way onto the flight. What if MIB and Jacob know something about Hurley that the rest of us have not been privy to as of yet? What if *he* is the key to the solution(s) to breaking out of the loops on the island, *not* Locke or anyone else? If MIB knows this, and is in fact on the side of "bad" (can't really qualify what that means at the moment), then he'd do everything he could to keep Hurley from fulfilling his role on the island by keeping from getting there and, losing that battle, would likely try to get Hurley killed (for some reason he couldn't do it himself, even as the Smoke Monster) so that he cannot be there at the "final battle" we're looking at in S6. My thought is that MIB and Jacob can *both* see into the past *and* the future in ways the rest of us cannot, and have placed their "pawns" (the Losties, and likely others in the past) carefully throughout time (furthering my and many others' "Chess game" theory) to fulfill certain future outcomes or, in the example of Dave, try to prevent fulfillment of certain outcomes.

I'm going to need to think this through a bunch more before continuing writing. It's all coming out faster than I can think it properly through and I keep going back and changing sentences as I come to another recollection or realization. Let me just say that I think we're going to see a *lot* of situations like Dave from past seasons turn out to have much broader significance and/or direct influence by Jacob and MIB that we realized at the time.

OMG, D&C are such geniuses. Either they had all of this planned all along and were leaving bread crumbs for us everywhere that will only come to fruition as the final season unfolds, or they've managed to weave all of the random, disparate threads they've sown into the fabric of the story as a cohesive all-encompassing masterpiece of a plot the likes of which may not be matched in television for a long time to come. In either case, my hats off to them. More on this theory some time soon, once my head stops spinning.

#143. Posted by: LostedIt at January 21, 2010 11:09 AM

In an interview with Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn, Michael says in response to the question of redemption that Ben is, in a way, "pre-redeemed" due to his past history (as a child). Check it out:

http://tinyurl.com/y8b2t38

There's some other interesting hints as well, but I'll leave that for everyone to read/listen.

#144. Posted by: LostedIt at January 21, 2010 1:44 PM

RE #142 Mizzed:
4. Libby? what the?
A. For a long time the speculation was that Libby was a Dharma agent. After season 5, I'd suggest she was recruited and working for either Widmore and/or Hawking. Starbucks special: buy an Americano, get a free sailboat. If Libby was a Widmore agent, it would also go a long way in explaining how she ended up on the Oceanic flight.

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From Lostpedia:
...How Libby got from being a patient in a mental institution to giving Desmond her boat and ultimately ending up in Australia was originally intended to be explored in season 3, but was not. She was then slated to appear in multiple episodes of season 4 to finish her backstory, and it was stated that those speculating she worked for Widmore were "barking up the right tree." Unfortunately, the writer's strike of 2007 interfered with these plans, as well as the flashbacks of Faraday, Miles, and Charlotte. Unfortunately, as of 2009, mid-way through the second-to-last season, Damon and Carlton felt that they are done with Libby's story. "We feel like we resolved Libby’s fate, and for the fans that are still obsessing about Libby, maybe at some point someone will write sort of a 'Star Wars'-like novel about the story of Libby, but we don’t consider that to be a major story thread for us." Damon later said Libby's portrayer Cynthia Watros was either unable or unwilling to come back to finish Libby's backstory post-season 4 and that they felt it would be cheap to finish it in an off-hand comment from another character. They later revealed in an interview the reason for her being in the institution was her going mad after her husband's death and that it will not be explained without Cynthia's presence...

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I always hoped there would be more to Libby's story, but I guess it isn't meant to be. I also hold out hope for more Rousseau (the Lost years), but probably won't get my wish!

#145. Posted by: Clementine at January 21, 2010 6:37 PM

Almost there.......

As per my instructions, I have been taken out of cryo storage (that I've been in since S5 finished - seriously - that is why you haven't heard a peep from me) a little earlier, so I can prep up for Season 6.

Looking forward to catching up on the latest theorems of how the entire experience has been a figment of Cindy's scarf's imagination. Too dated? ;)

Hope everyone is well...

#146. Posted by: shikotee at January 21, 2010 9:38 PM

@142 - Mizzed

"With Dharma disabled, how did the supply drops continue to happen?"

I think this is the work of Ben - aka The Economist. This seems like a plausible way of explaining why Ben had all the passports, foreign currency, and fancy clothes. It would also explain why Elsa had infrequent contact with her employer.

Whether this pans out to be true, I think they will show us more of the off-island actions of Ben from the purge to 815 time. We know he has money - we know he knows how to get off the island and return - it seems to make sense that he would be able to pull off Dharma supply drops.

#147. Posted by: shikotee at January 21, 2010 10:36 PM

@147 shikotee speculated:

>Whether this pans out to be true, I think they will show us more of the off-island actions of Ben from the purge to 815 time. We know he has money - we know he knows how to get off the island and return - it seems to make sense that he would be able to pull off Dharma supply drops.

Ben apparently got of the island via the sub, and without it could only get off by turning the FDW, and having done that had no way back except to hitch a ride with the folks who had been summoned in some fashion by the island.

On the other hand there was some evidence he'd used the FDW before (witness his greeting in the Algerian hotel). But now with no sub, will be be able to arrange and future drops?

#148. Posted by: Cecil at January 21, 2010 11:30 PM

@143 Losted It

re: Widmore and the freighter

That whole plot line (Widmore has been searching for the island, finally has found it, wants Ben captured and is willing to kill anybody who gets in the way) seems highly suspect after the events of season 5.

Given that Widmore had access to knowledge of future events, the intent of the freighter now looks like a plot to get Ben- and eventually Locke- to turn the FDW (i.e., the second protocol involving the orchid).

Widmore also had firsthand, personal knowledge that by putting Faraday on the freighter, the Incident would occur.

It's not even clear whether Widmore did or did not know the location of the island- the whole searching for the island via the Antartica monitoring station was about Penny locating the island, not her father.

There's a lot of smoke (which sometimes means deliberate TPTB misdirection) to suggest that Bram was correct- Widmore is playing on Team Nemesis.

#149. Posted by: Mizzed at January 21, 2010 11:34 PM

@148. Posted by: Cecil

We do not know for certain if the sub is the only way on/off - Ben is a notorious liar. But that is irrelevant speculation.

There is plenty of other evidence that Ben has had a secret life off island. Think of all the connections he has that provide him info that he relays to Sayid to track Widmore's goons. They've been dropping his off-island connection hints for the last two seasons.

Anyways - even without the sub, or whatever means Ben used to leave the island at the time, my idea would be that it is the forces that work for Ben (the Economist) off-island that would arrange the Dharma drops, and not Ben directly.

#150. Posted by: shikotee at January 22, 2010 12:37 AM

I thought the Economist was never really identified in that episode. It could have been Ben, or it could have been Sayid's cover for his globe trotting killing spree. Or, my first thought was the Economist was the man Sayid shot on the golf course. It probably does not matter in the final story solution.

FYI, Economist is from the Greek word for Household Manager.

#151. Posted by: welh at January 22, 2010 9:44 AM

@149: Mizzed - I would definitely have to agree that there are some serious conflicts in the stories regarding how each character understands things are, even among individuals that we otherwise think know everything there is to know about one another. I mean, I'd expect us, as the viewers to be misled, but the characters are supposed to be the ones who are there, in the story, having lived through things we get to see or learn about through their actions and conversations. What I'm thinking is that as time is going by (for us) the story is unfolding slightly differently than originally written, at least in terms of all the subplots and interrelations, in ways that may alter the history of Lost as we know it to justify continuity to the larger storylines that are being introduced. There's going to be some things from the past 5 seasons that they're going to tie nicely together into S6 and there's going to be some things that would appear to be in direct conflict with "life as we know it". I'm willing to let some things slide as writers' discretion so long as it doesn't change something fundamental about the show. Since this *is* Lost, pretty much anything could realistically be written off as a time aberration or whatever, but with that being said I do hope to see them adhere as closely to the story they've laid out to date as possible without taking such liberties.

Now, back to the original question - Is Widmore playing for "Team Nemesis/MIB"? It's certainly possible, but I'm also thinking if he is he may not realize who he's going to bat for. Widmore is definitely one of those characters we've been seen portrayed as someone to hate but also someone who's supposedly trying to do the right thing. He's killed people simply because they had information he didn't want revealed and he's also helped people when it would seem in his interest not to. So, is it a situation of him doing seemingly nice things to further a larger evil plan or is he doing seeming evil things either because he's reckless or because he has orders to do it from people higher up for whom he doesn't reveal his allegiance? Could be both. I'm thinking he's smart, power-hungry, willing to do wrong things to further himself, but at the same time he's got some much higher interest at heart and could end up "changing teams" once he realizes who he actually "reports to" and the motivations of said individuals.

BTW, there apparently is a third "Last Supper" picture out there. Again tying into this conversation is the question I've posed earlier - are these pictures going to be hints of allegiances throughout the final season? These and many other questions to come... Answers optional. ;)

#152. Posted by: LostedIt at January 22, 2010 11:31 AM

@152 LostedIt:

Go to www.lostheory.blogspot.com and click on lost supper label to see all three in comparison.

#153. Posted by: welh at January 22, 2010 1:32 PM

@ #136 - LostedIt said:
"BTW, no bunnies were harmed in the creation of that last message."

I would like to sincerely thank you for
1) your thoughtful revocation in your post #135 and
2) your thoughtful notation that no bunnies were harmed in the making of said post.

While my nose is still bleeding somewhat, I am at ease knowing my little bunny friends are okay. Stick with mice and rats I say...

#154. Posted by: BunnyLover at January 22, 2010 2:23 PM

Doc Jensen's latest article is up:

http://tinyurl.com/yepem5d

#155. Posted by: LostedIt at January 22, 2010 5:40 PM

From Sci Fi Wire

"The 100 questions Lost better answer or we'll be pissed"

http://tinyurl.com/yzptsn2

Not all are very astute, and some have been answered, but still a quick way to remind you of a few things.

#156. Posted by: shikotee at January 22, 2010 10:37 PM

As a lead-in to the S-6 premier next Tuesday, 2/2, ABC will be showing the S-5 finale "The Incident" parts 1 & 2, tomorrow, Tuesday 1/26 from 9-11 PM.

No word on if "enhanced" or not.

#157. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 25, 2010 10:45 AM

Also, Ack shares a pamphlet that came with this week's Entertainement Weekly with some outstanding Lost aet work, at

www.theackattack.net/?p=1146

Check out the high-res versions for some extreme detail.

#158. Posted by: Cecil at January 25, 2010 10:49 AM

@158 - Cecil

That is a pretty good promo/verizon ad!

Glad to see you are still enjoying The Ack Attack. Rachel is so funny and creative.

#159. Posted by: shikotee at January 25, 2010 12:09 PM

Some real-world support of WHH?

Brett Favre was supposed to retire after his last season w/the Packers. But his final play w/the Packers was to throw an interception. He didn't want his career to end w/an interception, so he un-retired. Now he was set to retire after this season w/the Vikings, & what happens? His last play w/them...is to throw an interception.

I wonder if there's another Lamppost under the Superdome... ; >

#160. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 25, 2010 4:29 PM

Rewatched last season's finale. Where did Hugo go, at the end when the rest was fighting off Dharma and dropping the bomb?

#161. Posted by: Mischa at January 25, 2010 5:03 PM

@161

I believe we are to assume he is taking care of the gun shot wounded Sayid. I'm sure they wouldn't leave him by himself, and Hugo is a pretty big target.

#162. Posted by: shikotee at January 25, 2010 9:56 PM

Apropos of nothing, I just realized who Kate reminds me of face-wise...Nancy Kerrigan. And unfortunately Kate has turned out to be as stupid as her as well. One of my big disappointments w/LOST is the development—or lack thereof—& misuse of her character.

#163. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 25, 2010 9:58 PM

Hi all! Seems like it has been so looooong since I had Lost on the mind, but now I"m definitely looking forward with anticipation. It's fun to read all the old contributors again.

I saw this funny song/video today about all the questions remaining to be wrapped up this final season, and it made me think to check out the old MAC Lost blog again. Here it is:

http://tiny.cc/KDWQK

(True fans will note that several of these questions have already been answered, but it's really fun to watch anyway.)

#164. Posted by: Frogurt at January 26, 2010 10:22 PM

It's wierd, but that link works on my computer but on my wife's laptop it take you to a facebook warning page first before going to you-tube. I got a new tiny url and this one seems to work on both computers. Sorry!

http://tiny.cc/tTzv7

#165. Posted by: Frogurt at January 26, 2010 10:55 PM

The rebroadcast of the S-5 Finale last night WAS an enhanced version, for what that's worth.

#166. Posted by: Cecil at January 27, 2010 1:44 AM

I watched the enhanced version last night and afterward came to one major conclusion.

The white out at the end of the Incident was not the bomb going off. Juliet was hitting the device with less impact force than the fall down the shaft.

I believe the white flash at the end of the episode represents Eloise (possibly through Richard) turning the Frozen Donkey Wheel.

It was when Richard said that he was protecting his leader, Eloise, when he knocked her out to protect her and her baby that I thought the only way for Richard to protect her was to get her off the island by turning the FDW. This would explain how Eloise got off the island.

And with the bomb not exploding makes case that WHH. The bomb was sealed in the concrete tomb that Sayid said reminded him of Chernobyl when Jack and Sayid were investigating the Swan Station. Dharma buried the bomb in concrete, and made the Hatch station next to it with the word Quarantine on the door.

Turning the FDW at the end of the episode probably moved the island like a pendulum back toward a flash forward reset. My guess, based on the ABC promo of the timer clock resetting to 109.11 to September 11, 2004. This date is significant because it is around the time the major characters had to make choices on whether to go to Australia and/or get on Flight 815 13 days later.

#167. Posted by: welh at January 27, 2010 10:11 AM

@#167. Posted by: welh at January 27, 2010 10:11 AM

Wow, that would be awesome and it makes sense as well.

Didn't Richard say that he saw the foomers die? Did he mean that literally or did he lie?

#168. Posted by: Mischa at January 27, 2010 11:05 AM

@168 Mischa:

I think it was his way of explaining the people disappearing into thin air (fooming) as the island time skipped.

#169. Posted by: welh at January 27, 2010 11:38 AM

@168 Mischa wondered:

>Didn't Richard say that he saw the foomers die? Did he mean that literally or did he lie?

Richard said that, and I think he was being honest, but there's a lot of room for debate over what he meant.

Could be: "I know they were over at the Swan station site and a big muchroom cloud arose from there."

Doesn't necessarily mean he saw bodies.

#170. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 27, 2010 11:44 AM

I haven't seen any discussion of this:

Everywhere the S-6 premiere's title has been shown (including the official ABC website), it's written like this:

"LA X"

Their fonts make it a little less obvious than here, but that space betweeen the "A" and the "X" is there.

A lot of people are assuming that the title refers to Los Angeles International Airport (official FAA abbreviation: LAX), that being where the Losties expect to find themselves arriving if they succesfully reset time and Flight 815 doesn't crash.

But what does that space signify? Could it possibly be "LA" (Spanish/French definite article - "the") plus "X" which could either mean "the unknown" or perhaps Roman numeral 10?

If "The 10", what would that refer to? Were there 10 people within Jughead's range? The tenth Dharma station? Reference to a Juliet/Kate beauty contest face-off?

Let's see, how many major cast members have died?

1 Boone
2 Shannon
3 Ana Lucia
4 Libby
5 Eko
6 Charlie
7 Michael
8 Charlotte
9 Daniel
10 Locke

10!

Could they be "The 10"?

(Confession: I had to take Nikki and Paolo off the list to make it 10, but I believe it's at least debateable whether they were major cast members.)


If X= "The Unknown" could it mean the results are far different that what anybody expected?

At any rate, given the history of the 5 premieres that have come before, I expect the intial setting to be somewhere we don't recognize - at least at first - sending the story in a completely different direction from what we expected.

Or, as -I forget who- said:

__"Expect the unexpected"__

Waiting on tenterhooks...

#171. Posted by: Cecil at January 27, 2010 12:11 PM

And lastly, a video Ack referred us to that will have all the people in cubicles/offices near yours wondering what's going on over in yours:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a6Lybcps4w

#172. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 27, 2010 12:23 PM

@171 Cecil:
Expect the Unexpected?

Like,
Close up of a teary eye,
pan back to show grimacing Eloise in 1978,
pan further back to hospital delivery room,
close up of a birthing mother's hand clinching another person's hand,
the sound of a new born crying,
close up of Eloise's face relaxing in joy,
then close up of
the doctor handing the baby to the mother on the birthing table,
then "what is her name?" spoken by Eloise, who is standing beside the child and her mother, Juliet.

#173. Posted by: welh at January 27, 2010 12:43 PM

I can almost 100% guaranteed the eye.

As for the rest:

Who's the dad?

Who's the baby?

#174. Posted by: Cecil at January 27, 2010 1:05 PM

Esau
MIB (Man in Black)
GIB (Guy in Black)
Nemesis
Loophole
Lockehole
FLocke (as in Fake Locke)
Mocke

Anybody want to guess what he'll actually be called in the show?

Or which of these do you prefer?

#175. Posted by: Cecil at January 27, 2010 3:04 PM

I actually work with a young Korean-American guy named Jin. He hasn't watched Lost since Season 2.

Lately I've been describing to him the changes Lost has gone through since then and he was interested but despaired of catching up after such a long absence.

I sent his links to the videos:

Everything you Want to know About Lost in 8:15

Five seasons of Lost in Five Minutes

The Onion Report on the new season

I think I might have gotten Jin hooked on tuning back in, especially since I told him his namesake may (or may not) have been blown up by an atomic bomb at the end of last season.

#176. Posted by: Cecil at January 27, 2010 3:09 PM

Coming back to Richard's remark, it seems to me that he emphasized that he actually saw them die. He could not have been mistaken about the fooming. He's seen that before and by now knows that it does not mean death.

Perhaps he was being truthful, but didn't tell the entire story. Perhaps they died and came back to life :)

#177. Posted by: Mischa at January 27, 2010 6:04 PM

Oh wait, his scene with fooming Locke came after his little talk with Sun. Still, Richard wasn't at the scene when Jughead supposedly exploded, so could not have seen the fooming.

#178. Posted by: Mischa at January 27, 2010 6:08 PM

@167 welh on Eloise and the FDW:

Even before the purge and taking over the submarine, the Others must have had a method to get off the island- Richard went off-island at least twice to observe young Locke, and Widmore had enough access to get on and off the island to allow for a second family and the beginnning of a corporate empire.

@175 Cecil asks for thoughts on the name of the Nemesis:

from out of left field, how about Jacob II? In other words, both Jacob and the MIB represent a half of the same consciousness or energy force that emenates from the island. Perhaps these are two sides of the same coin, both striving for dominance.

Think Star Wars and the Force- the same energy feeds both great heroism and tremendous evil.

We have repeatedly heard that the Others are working on orders from "Jacob". We've seen the Others as civilized and merciful- Richard was willing to sign a treaty with Dharma and tried for a peaceful negotiation with the U.S. Army. Mercy was shown towards Rousseau (as well as Bernard and Rose) for decades, and the Others successfully moved into the Dharma barracks, complete with book clubs and pot luck dinners.

At other times, the Others have been downright cruel and blood-thirsty, and have lived in almost a primitive, tribal state. Think of attacks like the Frogurt flame arrow ambush, Ethan stringing up Charlie, the attempted execution of Amy and her husband, and virtually any scene involving Widmore as an Other.

Richard may serve as the balancing point, trying to appease both sides. It may also be that the Others strive for two leaders who represent that balancing act- Eloise and Widmore, Locke and Ben, etc.

One rewatch that recently led me to this idea was the whole Season 3 Kate and Sawyer working on building a runway on Hydra Island. Who instructed the Others to clear the land and build the runway? "Jacob" (which means Richard, since Ben never met Jacob). Who needed the Ajira flight to land safely three years later, Locke body in tow? MIB Nemesis.

#179. Posted by: Mizzed at January 27, 2010 6:53 PM

@178 Mischa:

While we haven't yet seen Richard at the Incident, that doesn't mean he wasn't in the surrounding area, watching the events.

Richard isn't just a casual observer, either- he understands the ways of the island. I'm inclined to believe him that the key Losties did die at the Swan, which is why I'm on board for some sort of consciousness-jumping back in time event.

Then again, given that virtually every major deceased character has been rumored to be reappearing in season 6, what does "dead is dead" mean?

#180. Posted by: Mizzed at January 27, 2010 7:08 PM

I didn't watch the re-broadcast of S5 finale, but I did watch it recently.

The one thing I had never considered previously was if we have been misled regarding the whole Jacob/Man in black duality thingy.

How does the context change if the man in black is actually "good", while Jacob is "evil"?

Just a thought...

@179 - Exactly! There must be some other way off the island besides the sub.

#181. Posted by: shikotee at January 27, 2010 8:29 PM

@179 Mizzed pointed out:

>One rewatch that recently led me to this idea was the whole Season 3 Kate and Sawyer working on building a runway on Hydra Island. Who instructed the Others to clear the land and build the runway? "Jacob" (which means Richard, since Ben never met Jacob). Who needed the Ajira flight to land safely three years later, Locke body in tow? MIB Nemesis.

So your idea is that Nemesis needed the body nearby to assume Locke's form? Therefore Ilana's group is on Nemesis's side?

But then why the dramatic reveal to Richard? Richard who appeared surprised? Richard who tried to oppose Ben going into Jacob's lair? Their contacting Richard would seem to indicate Richard is on the side of whoever they're supporting. Is on Richard on Nemesis's side? If he was Nemesis would have had a simpler murderer surrogate - Richard - unless Richard was under the same restrictions Nemesis was.

So do you think Nemesis was responsible for 815's crash as well? It would seem a simpler explanation that Ilana's group was on Jacob;s side, and bringing Locke's nody to expose Nemesis-Locke as a fraud.

#182. Posted by: Cecil at January 28, 2010 1:38 AM

@179: Mizzed - Regarding who it was that told them to build the runway, remember that "Jacob" had apparently actually escaped from the cabin much earlier than was known, and that MIB could just as easily been the person who gave the "order". It depends on who was occupying the cabin at the time the directive was given. Regarding the fact that many of the major characters, even those dead, are slated to appear in the final season, I think that's more a matter of the existing living-as-of-last-we-know-it Losties traveling back through time again or re-living their past time on the island than it is all of these characters coming back to life per se.

It is apparent that Iliana feels she is on the "right" side. What side and to whom she answers has as of yet not been apparent. It obviously isn't MIB's side, since she carried Locke's body along to show MIB for the sheister that he is. But then again what if she's also not on Jacob's side? What if there's a third, or larger, "side" to be on that we've yet to be presented? The possibilities expand greatly if this were true. What if Jacob and MIB are warring children of an even greater battle? D&C have "pulled back" a few times to reveal ever-greater breadth and depth of scale/complexity to the Lost story. I'm inclined to believe the final season revolves around whatever battle Jacob and MIB are waging but I still have this nagging wonder about whether D&C have one more trick up their sleeve, one more "pull back", that takes it to yet another level that will blow our minds yet again and for which we have no inkling of going into the final season.

In either case, it's T-minus 5 days and counting (!) and I'm very much looking forward to next Tuesday. Fire it up!

#183. Posted by: LostedIt at January 28, 2010 10:54 AM

@183 LostedIt recapituilated:

>Regarding who it was that told them to build the runway, remember that "Jacob" had apparently actually escaped from the cabin much earlier than was known, and that MIB could just as easily been the person who gave the "order".

I've lately begun to wonder if Jacob was *Never* in the cabin. We know Ilana is on Jacob's side since he summoned her (in a flasback in the S-5 finale and since they also apparently had history prior to that from his remarks to her.

Maybe it was *Nemesis" that was confined to the cabin and somehow released when a portion the ash ring was broken. We know Ben said he'd *never* actually seen Jacob, only read notes and lists brought to him by Richard. And Richard knew right where go - to the statue base. Maybe Ben was misdirected to the cabin to keep him - literally - in the dark.

(I'm so addicted to Ack I now have to resist writing "Benry" every time I refer to Ben.)

---

I still say that flash profile seen in "The Man Behind the Curtain" had to be either Michael Gross or Dennis Hopper. In any event it didn't look like the actors portraying Jacob, Nemesis, or Christian so it just had to be a throw-away stand-in until they cast someone.

That "Help Me" in 'Man Behind...' might have come from Nemesis, marooned there and needing help breaking out. Maybe that's where he first got the idea of recruiting Locke. Maybe we'll see a flashback where Locke goes back to the cabin and breaks the ring for the entity he *thinks* is Jacob.

The flaw in the ointment of this whole speculation is that, with Nemesis able to impersonate others, we don't know for certain that all those flashbacks *were* Jacob. Maybe they were Nemesis *impersonating* Jacob.

In any event, I tend to think there won't be any "third side" reveled in S-6, for purely dramatic reasons - too late in the story to be widening it further (I think). Instead they need to start narrowing things down.

But then, hhhhwhat do I know?

###########

05 Days, 09 Hours, 22 Minutes, 42 Seconds to go

Woo Hoo!

#184. Posted by: Cecil at January 28, 2010 11:40 AM

I just thought of something. There was no actor credit for 'Jacob' in "The Man Behind the Curtain". We all thought at the time that was because they hadn't actually cast Jacob yet. But maybe, just maybe, it was (or was also) to avoid telling us who was being *portrayed*.

Thus another indication that it might be Nemesis instread of Jacob. To even have put in a generic reference like "apparition in chair" might have revealed too much, leading to speculation that it wasn't Jacob at all.

#185. Posted by: Cecil at January 28, 2010 11:53 AM

I'm not even going to try to set up an S-6 prenmiere party in Raleigh this time around. Nobody responded in S-4, and S-5 came around too quickly to even try, and now, with a possible winter storm bearing down on North Carolina and disrupting travel it's probably best not to try.

Anybody have any interest in an S-6 Finale Viewing Party in the better weather in May? There's lots of venues around here where we could probably get a private room with a large screen.

#186. Posted by: Cecil at January 28, 2010 11:58 AM

My sister (who JUST got into Lost with her husband by starting with S1 and making their way forward to today) found this "subway map" of Dharma Rapid Transit. Interesting. Still trying to figure out if it correlates to actual actions and storylines directly, casually, or not at all.

http://tinyurl.com/yl7yu8t

#187. Posted by: LostedIt at January 28, 2010 1:20 PM

#186: Cecil: S6 Finale Party:

ealgumby & I are up for it, as long as it's after the end of my semester (late April). Does anyone know the date of the finale?

#188. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at January 28, 2010 10:06 PM

Not spoilers as such. Just Brian's guesses. These and his instant analysis and in depth review are always good reading.

http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

#189. Posted by: mtncbn at January 28, 2010 10:32 PM

@183 Losted It:

I agree- I don't think Michael, Charlie, Libby, et al come back from the dead. My guess is the Incident Losties relive pieces of their previous days on the island ala Desmond- thus requiring the "deceased" actors to shoot new scenes. Think Season 1, Version 2.

TPTB have repeatedly said that they will not release any season 6 footage because it would immediately tip their hand. What would Lost fans immediately recognize with just a glance? How about the crash of a certain Oceanic airliner....

#190. Posted by: Mizzed at January 29, 2010 12:45 AM

@182/184: Cecil

first of all, I'm right there with you regarding Nemesis (and not Jacob) living in the cabin, trapped by the circle of ash until someone (perhaps Claire?) releases him to embark on his trick or treating in Locke's body.

Second, just because Nemesis may have instructed Richard to build the runway, doesn't mean that Richard would have known the entire "Locke is dead/Locke is not dead" plot. We've already seen how the anti-Locke tricked Richard into delivering his message to the real Locke after he was wounded by Ethan near the Beechcraft.

In terms of impersonation, there's also the whole Smokey issue- we've clearly seen Smokey as Yemi and Smokey as Alex- why couldn't it be Smokey as Christian as well (with Nemesis already having left the building?)

Rewatching Lost from the end of season 1 (Walt's capture) to the arrival of the freighter in season 4- almost all of the plot in retrospect is one long con by Ben to first induce Jack to cure his cancer, with the side plot of establishing a relationship between Jack and Juliet so that she could be inserted as a plant into the beach camp.

While that was going on, there was an entire second plot NOT driven by Ben, that involved Locke and Boone, followed by Locke and Eko, on a mission to discover the secrets of the island.

While Locke is trying to discover a way into the hatch, he has a dream/vision of a future dead Boone that leads him to the Beechcraft. Later, both Eko and Locke have dreams/visions (both involving Yemi) that lead them to the Pearl.

The Pearl discovery leads to Locke's loss of faith which leads to the Swan implosion, after which yet another vision of a dead person (this time Boone) and a visit by Smokey dispatching Eko leads directly to the Flame, which leads directly to the Looking Glass and the Barracks and so on and so on...all the way to the turning of the FDW.

Looking at that Locke/Eko plotline, does it seem too far-fetched to think that the appearances of the dead- from Christian to Yemi- as well as the visions/dreams of the dead were all part of Nemesis "long con" (Nemesis: "And you have no idea what I've gone through")?

If that seems plausable, and if we really want to fry the brain circuits, then perhaps it was Nemesis- not Jacob- who gave Ben cancer in the first place...and Smokey (via Nemesis) that first appeared to young Ben in the guise of his dead mother..and Smokey or Nemesis (not Walt) who healed Locke in the Dharma grave...

Five seasons. Perhaps one extremely long con....

#191. Posted by: Mizzed at January 29, 2010 1:24 AM

@189 mtncbn noted:

>Not spoilers as such. Just Brian's guesses. These and his instant analysis and in depth review are always good reading.

>lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

First of all - hey, good to see you back, buddy,

A few observations on Brian's observations:

o First of all it's nice to see somebody finally noticed the space between the "A" and the "X" - see my #171 above.

o The "X" in "LAX" does have some meaning. It's the standard abbreviation for "International" - i.e. airports that are original ports of entry for some flights from other countries.

#192. Posted by: Cecil at January 29, 2010 2:28 AM

If I go back to my wild tangent of the Periodic Table, for LA X:

La is the symbol for lanthanum, a silvery-white rare earth metal. It comes from the Greek word for ESCAPE NOTICE.

X is the symbol for TEN or in math, an independent variable.

LA X could then represent the phrase THE TENTH ESCAPE NOTICE, which could trigger a response from higher forces (They're Coming! as Jacob said).

It would tie nicely into the Hatch's warning symbols from the countdown timer which said HE ESCAPES PLACE OF DEATH.

#193. Posted by: welh at January 29, 2010 9:43 AM

* * * * * SPOILER ALERT * * * * *

No spoilers in this post, but if you're weak around spoilers, read no further.

Ack has posted the "First Four Minutes of S-6" video on her site. Couldn't resist.

Assuming this is the actual "First Four Minutes" offered in the ABC contest and not a mashup from some fan (guess we'll just have to trust Ack), then it comes across as mildly interesting, and shuts off some avenues of specualtion and opens up others.

The first TWO minutes is actually the last two minutes of the S-5 finale. Then it goes on from there...

YOU WERE WARNED

#194. Posted by: Cecil at January 29, 2010 6:55 PM

@194/Cecil

I admit it- after your post I gave into temptation and watched the clip. Like any other temptation, after the fact I'm left with a "damn! why'd I do that??!!"

Having said that, surely ABC and TPTB knew this would be leaked. And if so, doesn't it seem possible that these four minutes were designed to be deliberately misleading?

#195. Posted by: Mizzed at January 30, 2010 12:56 AM

I have a hard time believing that MIB is simply driving Locke's body. I'd prefer the idea that he is travelling along with Locke, only influencing his decisions when needed. He could even have been with him since childhood. John was painting pictures of the smoke monster back then.

Locke is easily my favorite tv character everrr.

#196. Posted by: Mischa at January 30, 2010 5:20 AM

Well, the storm has come, and NC is in bunkering down mode. Last night we parked the cars out near the road. Less driveway to dig out/negotiate when and if we finally have to go out, and less chance of a tree falling on them if it turned out to be ice-storm.

Luckily it didn't, it snowed from 9PM to 3 or 4 AM, then turned to sleet, but it' a very dry sleet more like little dry ice-pellets that cascade off the roof every time the wind blows hard in icy white clouds.

The temperature has actually been been dropping since sunrise, and everything is still all white and beautiful. I'm going out in a while and shovel off the steps from the low deck outside our back door - we never use the front, and anyway the snow is deep enouth to block the outer door from opening - then make a path down the driveway to the cars and the mailbox.

Don't reckon we'll be going anywhere today, and probably not tomorrow, but we're well provisioned and snug and warm.

Haven't seen any cars negotiations the hill on our short little spur road int he country, and the neighborhood kids are out sledding there. It's a good snow for that, but not for snowmen (smelling of carrots or not). All is peaceful and calm. And now it's time to go and do a little shoveling.

#197. Posted by: Cecil Rose at January 30, 2010 4:02 PM

i just treated myself to a playstation 3,
i kinda had to since my PS2 decided it couldn't be bothered with small tasks like loading games...
i was looking forward to playing all these new games, especially LOST for the PS3,
after reading a few reviews of the game i decided against buying it,
these reviews were almost all the same,
graphics-fantastic
plot-weak-poor
gameplay-tedious-boring
maybe one day there will be a game that was inspired by a movie or tv show that will come close to what we expect from the purchase price & exciting picture on the case of the game.
software companies & their film industry buddies should hang their heads in shame,
poor product cashing in on fans.

#198. Posted by: san at January 30, 2010 8:50 PM

wondering if anyone else noticed this...

i remember watching the season finale live, and not remember ever seeing the actor who played jacob in any other movie or TV show before that night. since then, i've noticed him in Lethal Weapon 3, an episode of Chuck, the Big Lebowski and in Dexter. The roles he plays in all of these is essentially the same: a bad guy.

then i imdb'ed him, and he also appeared in the show Supernatural as Lucifer.

i figure its a safe bet that jacob turns out to be a bad guy, or the bad guy, for whatever reasons. i've seen this with other actors before (the guy who plays the DEA agent that Nancy marries early on in Weeds... he turned out to be bad, then i saw the movie Sentinel sp? and as soon as he appeared on screen i knew he was gonna be the bad guy)..

so yeah, take from that what you want. hope noone mentioned this yet and i hope you can understand everything i wrote.

shake and bake.

#199. Posted by: litigators at January 30, 2010 9:27 PM

@198 San:

Movie-inspired games are almost always crappy, but who cares. Games don't need movies. With Uncharted 2, it's like starring in your own summer blockbuster movie. Bioshock's story can match that of almost any creepy horror movie. Who needs Avatar the game when there's Final Fantasy? And watch out for Hard Rain, coming soon. I think that will be a great example of how a game can be like an interactive movie.

#200. Posted by: Mischa at January 30, 2010 9:40 PM

@200-mischa.
one of the 4 games i picked up to start my PS3 experience was uncharted 2,
i read some good reviews for this game & decided to give it a go,
i am a gamer & always have been,
it just seems as if the better the machine - the poorer the games are.
i like good graphics but hate spending weeks, sometimes months on these idiotic games,
if i start a game i have to finish it!
i drive myself crazy playing stupid dunb ass games i hate.

#201. Posted by: san at January 30, 2010 10:06 PM

gonna have my first look at uncharted 2 tomrrow,
i will let you know what i think of it.

#202. Posted by: san at January 30, 2010 10:13 PM

Tonight, tonight, there will be Lost, tonight,
Tonight there will be no more long wait.

Tonight, tonight, we'll see Jack adn Kate tonight.
Tonight at last we'll find some answers,

(And probably get another thousand questions raised), tonight.

O clock, go faster toward hour eight...
Don't make us chew our fingernails, to the nub.

No phones, tonight,
Twixt eight o'clock and eleven,
We'll gorge on Lost like gluttons,
Tonight.

And then the second long wait, for mac's review,
to-N-I-G-H-T!

#203. Posted by: Cecil at February 2, 2010 7:28 AM

TODAY IS THE BIG DAY!!!! Can't wait to read your review, Mac.

Words cannot describe my excitement. I'm sure all of us feel the same way. =]

#204. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at February 2, 2010 10:53 AM

@203: Cecil - Nice. Yes, my wife officially becomes temporarily single on a weekly basis for the foreseeable future (she is *not* a Lost fan so I'll be watching it myself each week - I know, I should divorce her but she makes up for it everywhere else).

Today marks the last day that we can hold discourse amongst ourselves about whatever and whichever subjects we desire (although obviously we mostly stick to Lost-based discourse). The real heavy conversations start in t-minus 10 hours (based on my being here on the East Coast). Looking forward to the busy-ness once again, the hypotheses, everyone's individual interpretations of the episode, the prognostications, all of what makes this blog such a great place to be.

Kind of like the swallows returning to Capistrano! ;)

#205. Posted by: LostedIt at February 2, 2010 11:01 AM

Very sad that this is the last premiere to get excited about. Just like starting the 7th Harry Potter book.

#206. Posted by: Rudy at February 2, 2010 11:59 AM

Here in latin america we're getting the new season only next tuesday, the 9th :(
(which is pretty fast because usually we receive new episodes 3 weeks later).
But as someone from Britain already said here, I think I'll find my ways to watch the premiere before...
Even if I won't be watching tonight, I'm sharing all your excitement!! only some hours left! :-O

#207. Posted by: Julia at February 2, 2010 1:59 PM

@203 - Cecil, you totally read my mind. As I was logging onto FilmFodder I was singing "Tonight, tonight, the final season starts..." The very same song you posted!!

Just proves that great minds DO think alike!

Enjoy the show tonight - I know I will no matter what.

P.S. (and possible spoiler) Long live Cindy's scarf!

#208. Posted by: BunnyLover at February 2, 2010 2:16 PM

hope to see the new episode tomorrow night,
i may have found a loophole to make it happen,
(loophole doesn't involve strangulation/resurection or manipulation of timeline),
i will give my first thoughts when i have seen it,
till then FEAST MY FRIENDS, FEAST I SAY!!
enjoy.

#209. Posted by: san at February 2, 2010 3:45 PM

I thought this day would never come... could I be any more excited? No!!

My hopes for tonight...
Sun and Jin reunite
Juliet is alive (somewhere)
"Cleer" snaps out of it
Sayid is alive (somewhere)
Ben thumps somebody with his baton
Mac writes a GRAA

Well, at least one of the above will happen. See y'all on the other side! Namaste!!

#210. Posted by: Clementine at February 2, 2010 4:11 PM

T-150 Minutes and counting!

#211. Posted by: Cecil Rose at February 2, 2010 5:29 PM

@ LostedIt #205

Would those swallows be carrying coconuts? Or did we already address that in a previous post?
Happy viewing (and re-viewing) to all!

#212. Posted by: jaybee at February 2, 2010 7:27 PM

AKTERNATE TIMELINES!?

#213. Posted by: Cecil at February 2, 2010 9:23 PM

oOPS! Make that

ALTERNATE TIMELINES!?

#214. Posted by: Cecil at February 2, 2010 9:24 PM

Speechless...that's all I'm saying. Can't wait to hear everyone's thoughts!! Until tomorrow...wow!!!

#215. Posted by: lost2theworld at February 2, 2010 11:02 PM

POSSIBLE PREMIERE SPOILERS.*******

AHHH!!! EPIC. I don't even know what to think. I think I have the 2004/2007 concept down, but I can't be sure.

Ummmmm... lots to talk about. Can't wait Mac!!!

ENDD ***

#216. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at February 2, 2010 11:21 PM

Well there's a fine howdy-doo!

Lots of wild and crazy stuff - looking forward to the recap!

Ughhhh - too many commercials!!!

And yeah - sad that this was the last premiere ever. 'Tis the end, but the moment has been prepared for...

#217. Posted by: shikotee at February 2, 2010 11:30 PM

As Miss Longthought would say, OMG! OMG!

Can't wait for Mac's review & all the comments following...

Yes, bittersweet that this is the beginning of the end...

#218. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at February 3, 2010 12:15 AM

OK, from now on all my comments will adopt the following convention:

Sayid1 walks off the plane in Los Angeles.

Sayid2 almost dies, then is taken to the temple to be healed, but the temple healing process kills him. Then suddenly Sayid2 is alive again -pixie dust?

Alternate reality ONE is the one where the plane survives and flies to Los Angeles (simply because it was shown first - no other precedence implied.)

Alternate reality TWO is where they're still on the island. All characters/names/events (if unclear) will have a 1 or a 2 appended to them to make it plain which one I'm talkign about.

Feel free to use the same system if it serves your purposes.

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#221. Posted by: ealgumby at February 6, 2010 8:45 AM

Snowmaggedon!! Snowpocalypse!!

Obviously Damon and Carlton were trying to warn some of us with that white screen - it wasn't Jughead or time travel - it was SNOW.

If anybody is still reading this thread and you can drive a snow plow to Pittsburgh, please come get me!! And then buy me a house with a shorter driveway.

If you are also experiencing the snowpocalypse, I hope you have power, heat, bread, milk, toilet paper and Season 5 on dvd. Stay warm and dry!

#222. Posted by: Clementine at February 6, 2010 10:48 PM

@222/Clementine - Snow ...

After spending 20 years in the Balt/Wash area, I never understood the snow storm mantra ... "Milk, bread, toilet paper! Milk, bread, toilet paper!" Yes, big snow. Requiring a month of supplies, no.

For those who've never lived there, the empty store shelves you may've seen in reports from the area, where undoubtedly in the bread section. An empty refrigerated shelf would be from the dairy case, and while not as dramatic for TV, the toilet paper will also have been cleaned out. Why? Related query, when did these three things apparently become equated with survival?

I always wondered what people did with the gallons and gallons of extra milk too. Extra toilet paper is no problem to store, and bread freezes if necessary, but what do you do with 20 gallons of milk?

Well, for the first time in a long time I don't have to deal with that insanity. Of course, up here now it's much colder ... gotta have something to grumble about though!

#223. Posted by: ealgumby at February 7, 2010 11:57 AM

Old joke around here... if the storm's coming, and you have to choose between bread and toilet paper, always go for the bread. You can't eat toilet paper.

You actually can freeze milk - although it gets a little discolored, it still tastes okay. We used to take a frozen jug on camping trips.

And when armegeddon finally hits, you don't want to be the only one without milk!! Liquid gold!! :0

#224. Posted by: Clementine at February 7, 2010 3:41 PM

Still random topics until Mac shuts this down ...

Anyone else hate TransUnion?

Uggh ... it seems my hobby for the past year has become correcting their errors in my credit report. Not Experian, not Equifax ... no, their info is all correct and up to date, invariably accurate within days of status change. Just TransUnion, always WRONG and always behind on getting up to speed (only after forcing me to jump thru multiple hoops) ... how the hell do these incompetent POSs maintain business? They're very unresponsive, unhelpful, and above all, of course ... always right, in their opinion. I would beg to differ.

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