The Lost Blog

Key Points from "What They Died For"

Season 6, Episode 16
Episode Air Date: 05/18/10

Point 1

Jack Kate Sawyer Hurley Jacob

It's hard for me to understand that the next time I sit down to write a "Lost" review, that'll be the end of it. No more new episodes. No more revelations. No more typing deep into the night, weaving and wandering around the hundreds of questions blazing in my mind. I guess it's all hitting me now. This is it. Only one chapter remains.

But let's put that aside, shall we? You don't reminisce about the marathon when you've still got a mile to go!

And oh my, did we ever have ourselves a treat tonight ...

Let's start with the big development. Really, one of the single most important things we've ever seen. Jack -- Mr. Man of Science himself -- will take Jacob's place as Island Protector.

What's amazing is that Jack's 180-degree transformation actually makes sense. This is an unbelievable bit of storytelling -- taking a stubborn, flawed man who lives by empiricism and rage, and sending him on a journey that ends with that same man willingly accepting a job that is defined by fate. And yet, when Jack accepted Jacob's offer, did it feel out of place? Did it feel like the wrong character was taking charge?

I didn't think so. Not one bit. And for that, the writers and producers and everyone involved with this show deserves enormous kudos. They've pulled off something quite amazing here.

(And when we find out in the finale that the whole candidate thing was one big ruse, I'll retract that last statement and damn them all to hell ... just sayin'.)

Jack's elevation to Island Protector would of course be incomplete if it didn't bring a host of questions in its considerable wake. In no particular order, here's a handful of Jack-Jacob-candidate observations and queries (and no, I don't expect any firm answers to these ... but writing a "Lost" review without ample questions just doesn't feel right):

-- I hadn't considered this before, but when Jacob tells Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley that they're all like him -- "all alone, all looking for something you couldn't find out there" -- it struck me that loneliness has been a sneaky theme lurking about the entire series. Almost all of the major characters were dreadfully lonely in their pre-island lives, and they're brought to the island by a guy who's been alone for centuries. Loneliness is a side-effect to a life poorly lived. I get that. But as a viewer, I'm pleasantly surprised -- tickled, even -- to see a "new" defining characteristic revealed this late in the game that, when you track it, has been with us since the very beginning. How cool is that?

-- Another bit of coolness: Jack seemed to be closest to the island's heartlight, proximity-wise, when Oceanic 815 crashed. Remember that opening shot of Jack waking in the bamboo grove? The heartlight is right by there.

-- And speaking of that heartlight: It would appear that the true location is only known to the Island Protector. That person can bring others there -- Fake Mother brought the boys, and adult Jacob later dragged MIB to the light cave -- but only the Protector knows how to get back. That seem about right?

-- I hope Jacob spent eternity jotting down a few notes for his successor. It'll be a shame if, centuries from now, Jack's replacement can't take the gig because Jack can't remember the damn mumbo-jumbo he's supposed to whisper during the cup ceremony.

-- Any guesses as to why/how Jacob took on corporeal form? Was it the ashes? Or, did he have that ability all along but chose to remain ethereal? (That would certainly fit with his douchey sensibilities.) Also, I'm assuming that teen Jacob and adult Jacob are both the same guy.

-- Remember all those hours we spent early in the season wondering why Kate's name was either missing or crossed out? And yet, in this episode we see that all the name conjecture added up to zilch. Turns out, Jacob nixed Kate from the list because she became a mom. That's it. Nothing more. And if she wanted Jacob's job she could still take it!

-- I can't help wondering what the Shephard Administration will bring to the island (assuming there is an island after all is said and done ... that underwater shot from the alternate timeline hints at a soggy future). I'm guessing Jack will be more hands-on than Jacob, perhaps going so far as to lure the infirm to his paradise so he can satisfy his fixer urges. And let's hope he ditches Jacob's penchant for letting people learn their own lessons. What a waste of time. If Jack is smart, he'll reconnect Dharma's satellite feed and build a 100,000-square foot sports bar / singles resort on the beach. The candidates will roll on in after that.

Point 2

Jacob Jack Locke Ben

Moving on the alternate universe ...

Alt Desmond stepped up his efforts this week. I have to give this guy credit. He may be a little wacky -- and his American accent needs work -- but the man gets things done.

Along those lines, here's where things stand on a character-by-character basis in this week's edition of "Touched by a Scot":

-- Ben: Most of the alternate universe characters become aware of the island timeline through near-death experiences and/or love. But it's fitting that the man who has absorbed more beatings than anyone else -- Mr./Dr. Benjamin Linus -- gains "island consciousness" only when Desmond beats the snot out of him.

But there's an upside to the beatdown. Ben's awakening seems to catalyze Locke as well (more on that in a moment). And then there's that budding romance with Alex's mother. Seriously. Danielle Rousseau and Ben Linus are into each other. I know that looks ridiculous when written out -- it sounds ridiculous, too -- but the scene between Rousseau and Ben was actually touching.

-- Locke: After Ben shares his post-assault epiphany, the "Man of Faith" juices get flowing in Locke. That old Obi-Locke glow appears, and Locke now believes that fate or destiny or something along those lines is pushing him toward the spinal surgery Jack so desperately wants to perform.

-- Jack: All in all, not a bad week for Alt Jack. Sure, he wakes to discover that pesky and mysterious neck wound is bleeding again, but that's a minor quibble compared to his ever-improving relationship with David and the quirky-but-sweet family dynamic he's forging with Claire. Toss in Locke's willingness to go through with the spinal surgery, and you can see why Alternate Jack Shephard is feelin' good.

-- Hurley: He's a full-fledged member of Team Desmond now. He also recognizes Ana-Lucia from the island, so it appears his memories of the island timeline have solidified beyond the brief flashes seen in "Everybody Loves Hugo."

-- Sayid and Kate: Whether they like it or not, they're now part of Desmond's master plan (which has yet to be revealed, but it seems to involve a concert). With the help of Hurley's millions and Ana-Lucia's greed, Desmond springs both from jail.

-- Ana-Lucia: She has a a blink-and-you'll-miss-her-sneer cameo. Interestingly, Desmond tells Hurley she won't be participating in their island reunion because "she's not ready yet." If the show wasn't ending next week, I'd find this off-hand comment very interesting. That said -- and I don't think this will happen, but I'm putting it out there nonetheless -- the comment does make me wonder if we're poised for an eternal return loop, whereby certain characters are repeating lifetimes/timelines in a quest to break their own cycles.

Point 3

Flocke Ben Richard Miles Widmore

I'm glad things are going well for Alternate Ben, because the future looks quite dim for his island twin. Earlier in the season it seemed Ben had found his ethical footing. That teary speech to Ilana felt like a breakthrough. But in this episode, when Flocke plays to Ben's base instincts with a renewed offer of island control -- and Charles Widmore just happens to drop by -- Ben's homicidal fury reappears. Oh well. He tried.

Of course, Ben is in a much better position than the now-dead Charles Widmore. It's a shame, really. Widmore spent all those years trying to get back to the island. He even reveals that Jacob paid him a visit after the freighter mishap. And yet, days after his triumphant return, Widmore is gunned down in his adversary's secret spy closet. If that's not a bummer I don't know what is. (And RIP to Zoe, too -- but she kinda sucked so a parenthetical mention is all she warrants.)

A few other odds and ends from the Ben/Flocke storyline:

-- I find it interesting that the more we learn about Richard, the less impressive he becomes. He incorrectly assumes that Flocke is coming for him. This massive miscalculation is driven home when Smokey launches Richard deep into the jungle. That was an epic toss.

-- Widmore tells Flocke (allegedly) that Desmond is Jacob's failsafe (i.e. he activated the hatch failsafe so now he's become The Failsafe; sounds like a superhero origin story). Flocke interprets this to mean that Desmond can destroy the island, and that pleases Flocke greatly. How he reaches that conclusion is unknown.

-- Also unknown: Desmond's whereabouts. Late in the episode we see that someone tossed Desmond a rope and helped him escape from that well.

-- Miles, the smartest one in this little group, runs off before Flocke can chuck him in a tree. I hope that's not the last we see of him.

Point 4

Island

A few closing questions and observations:

  • Best Line: "What's that? A secreter room?" -- Miles to Ben, after seeing that Ben's secret room has another doorway.
  • Second Best Line: "We insist, even if we have to kidnap you." -- Alt Rousseau inviting Alt Ben to dinner.
  • Third Best Line: "Can I get you a glass of lemonade?" -- Ben to Flocke.
  • Fourth Best Line: "I thought that guy had a God complex before." -- Sawyer, after Jack volunteers to become the next Island Protector.
  • Fifth Best Line: "Technically, opening a box of cereal is not making breakfast." -- Alt Jack to David.
  • I found the Shephard Family Breakfast scene in the alternate timeline both touching and unintentionally hilarious. Nothing says "happy family" like a giant box of Super Bran.
  • "Lost" has always played a little loose with the daytime/nighttime transitions, but the sixth season has taken that to a whole new level. Case in point: Hurley finds Jacob while the sun is up, but it's pitch black when the candidates convene around Jacob's fire. How long did it take for Hurley to get everyone together?
  • When Alt Jack gently chides Alt Locke for connecting a few too many destiny dots, he says, " I think you're mistaking coincidence for fate." There's a reason that line sounds familiar: Eko used similar words with a much different meaning in the season two episode, "What Kate Did." Eko's version: "Don't mistake coincidence for fate."

That's all I've got!

Next Episode:

"The End" -- The title says it all. Airs Sunday, May 23, 2010 at 9 p.m. on ABC.

All photos and episode descriptions © ABC Inc.

SIF!!!!!!!

And if not, I blame the devil!

Alas - 'tis the last real attempt at first too. Forgot that on Sunday, will be away at a banquet hall celebrating a 60th, so I will miss the finale, and will only likely see it on Monday. Alas!

In any case...
Looking forward to reading the review, and have jotted down some thoughts/observations.

Jack's neck bleed - once again we see this. Hmmmm... I'm guessing guardian Jack will cut his neck in the finale?

Everyone at the beach - yikes - felt really bad for Sawyer. He just looked wretched, knowing that his mistake lead to the boom.

LoL at Ben confronting Desmond - "I'm making a citizens arrest"

I gotta wonder - does sideways Desmond remember how off-island Ben came after Penny and Charlie? Seems like he was enjoying kicking bug-eyes butt in!

I will admit - my island geography is non-existant, but is it really believable that Ricardus and crew is still en route to Dharmaville? It seems really sloppy, considering all that has happened to Jack and crew since they split. Why not just have them there already?

Umm - odd spot to bury Alex, no?

Nice to get some vague info on how Ben summoned smokey. "It's where I was told I could summon the monster. That's before I realized it was the one summoning me." I'm sure we'll never find out, but I wonder who told Ben? The impression I'm left with was that it was MIB disguised as someone else?

And you know - as soon as we saw Widmore and Ben together again, I just knew that walking by Alex' grave was gonna unlock Ben's vindictiveness.

I thought it was pretty weird that Widmore turned on the water tap, filled a glass, and drank it. Seriously - no one has been taking care of that plumbing for 3 years! Yuck!

As suspected - looks like Widmore was a good guy, and he was on the Jacob hotline.

Sideways Ben was having himself a nice long stare in the mirror while he was being treated by the slutty nurse...

Man - what was up with young Jacob being so rude and snippy to Hugo? As if Hugo wouldn't just hand it over if asked nicely. No real explanation from Jacob why he did not appear earlier. But, I guess his ashes had something to do with his being able to do so.

So much for that heart to hearty with smokey Richard..... ouch!

I thought it was pretty cool how Flocke approaches Ben sitting in the chair. I totally got a "Jacob's Cabin" vibe from Ben in the chair. He was so weirdly motionless!

LoL - Gotta love how Rousseau insists on having Ben over for dinner, even if she has to "kidnap" him. Pretty funny how Ben can't drive because of his injury, but the Rousseau's still make him carry plates after dinner. Very weird that Danielle would know so much about Ben and how he has helped Alex, but had never met him before.

Ta-ta Tina Fey! You were so useless. And as suspected - revenge for the death of Alex. Through all of this - I kept thinking that Ben was very zombie like. Healing Pool side effect?

More repetitive dialogue between Jack and Locke. Mixing coincidence with fate?

Jacob meeting with the final four. I think the timing of last week's episode is clear. I think it gives support that smokey did not exist prior to MIB being chucked in the light cave - this is the mistake Jacob made. "You were all flawed". And the objective is - kill smokey. And Jack steps up to the plate! No one talks him out of it. As suspected - no magic wine.


#1. Posted by: shikotee at May 19, 2010 12:05 AM

Mac, thanks for another great recap. I'm confused, but ready for Sunday.

#2. Posted by: MySoulmateDigsLost at May 19, 2010 12:05 AM

Yes...it's here... I can't wait to read. It's like Christmas time.

#3. Posted by: bridge at May 19, 2010 12:06 AM

Just finished out of the race - 4th.

#4. Posted by: dk at May 19, 2010 12:12 AM

third! and WOW what an episode

#5. Posted by: Brian Mistretta at May 19, 2010 12:13 AM

WOW

#6. Posted by: nidiadelrosario at May 19, 2010 12:15 AM

7th lol

#7. Posted by: sumgb at May 19, 2010 12:19 AM

I Feel like crying :'(

#8. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 12:29 AM

I've read Mac's post - GRAA - and read all the other posts - and I'm going to bed to think about this episode. WOW. Sunday will be a great day.

#9. Posted by: dk at May 19, 2010 12:29 AM

One thing that made this episode just a bit sweeter for Mac...Red Sox scoring six runs in the last two innings vs the Yankees!

#10. Posted by: MySoulmateDigsLost at May 19, 2010 12:30 AM

I cracked up when the shot of Desmond looking at Locke in the car, smiling, and then Ben runs up and yells at him that he's not going to run over him again. XD I wasn't sure if Desmond was going to do it but I had that impression haha. =)

It's going to be sad to see it end but I'm also excited to see how it all happens. I kind of figured Jack would step up to be a leader again and not because he wants to fix things, so I think his character development is really interesting and yes it felt quite natural. Kudos to the writers. =)

#11. Posted by: Silhouette at May 19, 2010 12:31 AM

After reviewing the past 5 seasons and some of 6, I dont think we should lose hope in Ben. Ben is a MASTER manipulater and when Widmore tells him hes a few steps ahead of him, I think Widmore needs to remember who got kicked off the island a couple of years back. I think Ben is outsmarting MIB and maybe even Jacob or is a soldier is Jacob's army. I highly doubt we should quickly assume Ben has joined the Dark Side just off of one pathetic offer MIB proposed. Ben is a very significant character and it could be that Jacob and him have been working together from the start. Just Something to think about before you guys turn The Great Ben Linus into the bad guy....... Again.

#12. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 12:38 AM

Yes, it definitely seemed like Jack was the obvious choice after the campfire pow-wow. None of the others seemed quite willing to give up their "other" life to be the protector. It had to be Jack.

And it did seem that the light-cave was somehow "hidden" from others, and only able to be found by those "worthy".

I kinda like how the whole Kate's name isn't on the wall think was resolved, simply because she was a mom now. It's like one big "duh". Maybe we are overthinking this a bit. (ya think?)

I'm just now wondering, if the island is really underwater, or is that just what happens to the island as it's traveling thru time (and therefore not visible to those looking for it). ie, when the Oceanic 6 were on the helicopter and the island simply vanished. Maybe the island doesn't cease to exist after all. And maybe alt-Jack's neck wound gets worse and worse until he dies from it, and therefore Jack exists only on/in island time?! Or maybe I'm just crazy and, once again, this show has got me going around in circles!

I love, love, love Desmond!

I can't help but think that something big is going to happen at this concert everyone is going to.

I must say, I love Miles, too. He has the best lines lately... the "secreter room" -- ha, ha!

The whole Rousseau-Ben thing is just too weird for me - gives me the creeps!

Can't wait for Sunday, plus am kinda sad about Sunday, too -- last show!!! (can't be...)

#13. Posted by: bridge at May 19, 2010 12:41 AM

@Mac--The concert they are going to is David's since Jack and his mysterious ex-wife(?) will be there. Also Dr. Candle will be there with his creepy kid.

#14. Posted by: PiecesofArzt at May 19, 2010 12:47 AM

Just for the record, I've looked ahead in my didgital cable guide, and the events of the weekend are as follows:

Thursday May 20

Times Talks Live: LOST: Simulcast

At a theater near you, 8PM EDT, 7 Central, 6 Mountain, Tape delayed 8PM Pacific. The producers answer questions with a NY Times entertainement editor.

Click my name for a link with more info, theater locations, ticket ordering.


Saturday May 22

8 EDT/7 Central - Pilot part 1&2 enhanced version aires (2 hrs)

Sunday May 23

7 EDT/6 Central - Lost finale event - Special broadcast with the cast and crew

(2 Hrs)

9 EDT / 8 Central - Losts season six episodes 17 & 18 "The End" (2 1/2 hrs)

12:05AM EDT / 11:05 Central _Jimmy Kimmel Live (except I think it was taqped the previous Friday) Aloha to Lost(1 hr)

All told, at least 9 1/2 hours for Lost fanatics this final weekend.

#15. Posted by: Cecil at May 19, 2010 12:48 AM

@12. Posted by: EMAC
re: I don't think we should lose hope in Ben

I totally agree, and wanted to mention this before I was seduced by posting my incomplete thoughts "first".

This is all about Ben getting revenge. He delivered it to Widmore - time to unleash a con on MIB, to get revenge for being tricked into killing Jacob. Above all things, you know Ben is totally still burning from being used in such a fashion.

I wonder - was part of the con mimicking zombie like tendencies? Not sure how much this would matter, considering Zombie Sayid managed to disobey the dark smokey lord.

Indeed - Ben will no doubt betray the dark smokey lord.....

#16. Posted by: shikotee at May 19, 2010 12:53 AM

Great review Mac!

@12 After reviewing the past 5 seasons and some of 6, I dont think we should lose hope in Ben.

Benjamin Linus has been a manipulator since the beginning. His entire purpose has been to be the protector of the island but has been slighted because he fell under the spell, so to speak, of MIB. MIB inhabited "Jacob's" cabin and it was MIB who Linus took his orders from. No matter how much everyone loves Benjamin Linus, he exterminated the entire Dharma Initiative, basically killed his daughter, attempted to kill Desmond and Penny, murdered John Locke in order to have his body ready for MIB, killed off all of Widmore's real world crew, murdered Jacob, and an enormous amount of other people. He has NEVER been a good guy no matter how badly you want him to seem good. Ben Linus will be sacrificed in Jack's and his follower's (Sawyer, Hurley, Kate) attempt to stop MIB from destroying the island.

#17. Posted by: l0stb0y at May 19, 2010 12:57 AM

I agree. Ben seemed to assume he was to be the island's protector. But he was never officially asked or given the "cup of eternal life" by Jacob. He's been doing all this evil under the guise of following Jacob, but he's been duped -- by MIB.

Now, can someone tell me, why isn't Richard the island's protector? He's been granted eternal life, but why wasn't he deemed worthy (by Jacob, I assume) to be "the one"? (It was probably mentioned in previous episodes, but I'm getting "lost-brain" and can't think straight.

#18. Posted by: bridge at May 19, 2010 1:14 AM

GRAA Mac!

@1 Shikotee - I wondered the same thing about Widmore and also what the heck was Zoey looking for under the sink??

@13 bridge - Yes the concert seems to be the meeting place, I had thought the Hospital or Jailhouse but why the concert? Any hope Daniel & Eloise might also make an appearance? What about Locke? what will happen if he shows up?

#19. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 19, 2010 1:14 AM

Anyone else think Dr Shepherd is going to nick Lockes Dural sac and have to make a decision?

#20. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 19, 2010 1:16 AM

Can't wait for the concert! Rock on Desmond!

#21. Posted by: Not lost at May 19, 2010 1:21 AM

@17 - l0stb0y

I agree looking at Ben's track record one could say he isnt the greatest guy HOWEVER we have to think MANY steps ahead if you want to understand Ben's motives and also keep an open mind and understand there is ALOT that is still not revealed on the show.
For one, how are we so sure that Jacob himself didn't appear to Ben in some time ago and inform him on what was to come i.e Widmore's boat, the rules, the "war".
Jacob could of planned out his whole death. Perhaps Jacob knew he had to die so he could be replaced or rid the island of the smoke monster.

If you really take a look at all of Ben's actions they almost all favor Jacob.
another reason could be that Jacob needed Locke to die to MIB could take some sort of human form and reveal himself to the other islanders. if Locke's body was never there noone would even be aware he existed.
I ultimatley think Ben has been apart of some huge Con since the beggining.
He is perfect for the job. Whoelse could make it so believable and kill Jacob like that. Ben has conned the losties before and took everybody by suprise when he assumed the identity of Henry Gale.
The MIB is a very smart and cunning figure so you need someone just as smart and tactical to con him. The MIB has ever reason to believe Ben would bend to his will considering what he's been through and what he seemingly "want" but one golden rule for any master manipulater, always keep your true motives in the dark and only show people what you want them to see. Ben has done EXACTLY that in the past and will most likely do it again. he is Jacobs greatest weapon and will be one of the Lost's Greatest Heroes.

#22. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 1:26 AM

I'm a bit confused on one part, that I guess I should have asked last week. But remember the episode where it opens with Jacob and the MIB on the beach talking about the Black Pearl coming? And MIB says at one point, "do you have any idea how bad I want to kill you?"

But in the last episode they were hanging out with each other! What gives?

And also, I think the greatest ending to Lost would be Jack jumping in the secret fountain-light-thing and have an ultimate 'Smokey' showdown.

#23. Posted by: Erapp at May 19, 2010 1:39 AM

GRAA Mac

It totally cracked me up when the french chick said something about you will come to dinner even "if we have to kidnap you". Now, you'd think that would give him a flash sideways!!

OK, now I thought that Ben and Widmore could not kill eachother! What is up witht that???

SEE, we KNEW that Desmond was really really important!!!!

#24. Posted by: Christina at May 19, 2010 1:43 AM

@ #23 - Erapp

The season 5 finale, where they talk by the statue, that was many years AFTER they were hanging out in the last episode. The last episode was set many many years ago.

#25. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 1:43 AM

@13 - I guess that would technically rule out Sun from candidacy because she's a mom as well. Which is interesting that Jacob apparently didn't decide to tell anyone else that while they were searching for the Kwons.

#26. Posted by: Silhouette at May 19, 2010 1:54 AM

#26
I was just about to type a message saying now we know that Jin was the canidate not Sun because she became a mom.

#27. Posted by: Christina at May 19, 2010 1:58 AM

A few questions eating away me:

Who was Fmom protecting the light from? Humans who wanted more light, right? This would be before a smoke monster existed.
But Jacob created the smoke monster and as of that point the light now needs to be protected against the smoke monster. So are humans no longer a threat to the light? If the smoke monster was never created by Jacob's childish tantrum, his job would be protect from humans only?

Can there be more than one smoke monster if more humans were to get into the light? Does any one of these smoke monsters getting back to the light end humanity? Or is it like, once a smoke monster is born, that's the only one you really gotta watch out for?

That being said...If the Losties kill Smokey, does that mean that everyone automatically shifts to the alternate timeline as their reality? Is there a way to ensure that no other humans will ever find the island in the future (sink it?) so that Jack's job as island protector is finished as quickly as it began and that he can live his wonderful alt life with his family? No Smokey...No island...No need to protect the island...Jack's energy can go to the alt timeline?

Wouldn't it be great if the show ends with Jacob alive and well in the alt timeline, which is now the real timeline; present when all the characters reunite?

#28. Posted by: Steve at May 19, 2010 2:02 AM

So if kate's name was crossed off the list for being a parent, why were the kwon's still listed? Wouldn't they also be considered parents?

#29. Posted by: Steve at May 19, 2010 2:03 AM

I think that "This is why I'm here, this is what I'm supposed to do". Should be on the best line list... seriously

#30. Posted by: john at May 19, 2010 2:09 AM

@ 27 - Haha. =) Yeah, and I guess that rules out Claire (her name was on the wall too right? Though, I think it was crossed out)

And it's interesting that Jacob apparently doesn't care for romantic relationships as much as familial ones, which is weird that he didn't cross Jin's name off it either since he's a Dad. Maybe only Mom's count for some reason.

@ 30 - Yeah, I agree. I actually had to rewind that part again because there was just something moving about it.

#31. Posted by: Silhouette at May 19, 2010 2:38 AM

So, who pulled Desmond out of the well? The final 4 were meeting with Jacob so I think this counts them out. Widmore, Zoe, Miles, Ben, Richard at Dharmaville. Could have been Miles after fleeing the barracks but doubtful as he wasn't even aware of him. Or Claire - where was she this episode? Last seen w/Flocke on the docks. Or could be the retirees - Rose & Bernard but that could be kind of random. Or Franks not dead - but I truly think he is.

#32. Posted by: Beth at May 19, 2010 2:44 AM

Now this does not make sense to me...
Some time after Alex was killed Ben went to kill Penny to get Widmore back. Part of their conversation made it very clear that they COULD NOT kill each other. SO HOW did Ben kill Widmore tonight?????

#33. Posted by: jack at May 19, 2010 2:55 AM

@33. jack: Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules!

It's not clear that the rules have any enforcement, rather they may just have been asserted by Jacob through Richard to the Others. At the time, Ben believed them, even after Alex got killed. But now that Ben realizes how he's been manipulated by both Jacob and Smokey, he no longer chooses to obey the "rules".

In fact, with confirmation from tonight's episode that Ghost Boy Jacob is the same as Ghost Jacob, it looks like Jacob was simply asserting the rules to Flocke, too. The boy tells Smokey he can't kill the candidates (or maybe just Sawyer). Maybe Smokey *could* have killed them directly, but he believed he was not allowed to. Good play by Jacob.

#34. Posted by: LockeBox at May 19, 2010 3:49 AM

Thanks Mac for all these years of enhancing the Lost experience.

Another best line that I don't remember word by word was Miles saying "I used to live here 30 years ago, which is like last week".

Jacob didn't care about Jack being a Dad either.

#35. Posted by: phg at May 19, 2010 4:50 AM

One thing I am still having trouble with is that both Jacob and MIB were manipulated by their mother to keep them on the island. The MIB just wanted off. He wanted to go see where he came from, he wanted to be free of the island, he wanted to have a life, but his mom and Jacob plotted to keep him a prisoner. So he's been imprisoned there for centuries, watching boats come in, seeing families evolve and all the while Jacob has kept him trapped. After leaving to be with the nice little village of shipwreck survivors, he has the altercation with his mother and wakes up to find all of his people dead. His actions are all the result of Jacob's and his mother's behavior so I"m not sure he's the "bad" guy here. After centuries of being held there, I'd start killing people too!

#36. Posted by: DebE at May 19, 2010 5:26 AM

@35 phg

"Jacob didn't care about Jack being a Dad either."

I think Jack is only a dad in the alt timeline, yes?

Speaking of which, I could swear Jack was nicked by the bullet on the right side of his neck during the Dharma shootout. Now the wound is on the left side. Do I recall incorrectly or is it another "mirror image" at work?

Also, could someone tell me when and if Claire was shown being touched by Jacob - she must have been to have her name put on the wall in the first place, right? BTW Mac, loved "Touched by a Scot" - cracked me up!!

I have to say that Terry O'Quinn had an absolutely delicious time this week. BOTH his roles were kick butt acting opportunities. Give the man another Emmy or two, please!

I also agree that Richard lost his impressiveness when he lost his mystery. He's become so ineffectual after "Ab Aeterno". I wish they'd bring back a little of his former commanding presence.

#37. Posted by: glostover at May 19, 2010 6:48 AM

GRAA Mac
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@at can't remember who....Umm - odd spot to bury Alex, no?

>from what i could remember, she was buried where she died
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"the concert"

>don't think it is David's...i'm thinking Drive Shaft Reunion with Daniel Faraday as guest artist!
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#38. Posted by: surefoot at May 19, 2010 6:51 AM

Thanks Mac...terrific as usual!!

I really liked this episode. It felt like things are coming together and/or setting up for the 2 1/2 hr finale!!!

If I'm not mistaken...there are 2 concerts/events happening. I don't think David's piano concert is the same event as the Miles is attending at his dad's museum. Also, thought about the Daniel cocnert, but remembered that that was probably some time back since that event was happening before Locke was run over...or was it just last week (to quote Miles)...? LOL!

Interesting that Jacob wanted to give the Final Four something his FMom didn't give him...a choice as to whether to be Island Protector. Jacob said that one of them "had" to decide. Not much of a choice if you ask me. What if they couldn't decide...who would decide for them? Even if FMom had given Jacob a choice, don't think he could have refused.

Wonder what was the point of bringing Danielle back at the 11th hour? Who else are we going to see come back in the finale...?

#39. Posted by: Boodle at May 19, 2010 6:54 AM

Has Ben, our master manipulator, really been the ultimate pawn, used by both Jacob and MIB?

Ben was not lonely and he was a single parent so not a candidate. Widmore had a wife and kids and was not lonely either.

Why did Widmore come to the house if not to sacrifice himself after pushing all Ben's buttons? Maybe he told MIB the secret that will ultimately destroy him as a setup and ultimate sacrifice. Jacob knew that Ben was so angry about how he never talked to him and then Widmore would not let him hear directly what Jacob said, throwing down the gauntlet. The only time Jacob had spoken to Ben was to be a jerk with "what about you?" to egg him into killing him. It seems that MIB is happy after every event where we are led to think he will be angry. Is Jacob smiling too? One step ahead or behind?

#40. Posted by: Addicted to LOST at May 19, 2010 7:17 AM

So it appears that I was wrong ( Duh!) about The smoke monster always being there and killing MIB when he floated into teh glowy cave.

Have to read more on what everybody else thinks about this. Not sure if that changes things.

#41. Posted by: berkyo at May 19, 2010 7:19 AM

For some reason the sideways story had the feel of The Usual Suspects movie. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

#42. Posted by: Dan at May 19, 2010 7:37 AM

Since it "only ends once", will Jack's reign as protector end as quickly as Locke's reign of the others?

Will Desmond go into the light to "blow the hatch" one final time?

So sad to see so many friends die and to know it is not done yet. Grieving will have to wait until the dust settles, for the characters and for the viewers.

#43. Posted by: Addicted to LOST at May 19, 2010 7:45 AM

@Dan

That's what I keep thinking. How do we know the shining cave is not the gates of hell?

#44. Posted by: DebE at May 19, 2010 7:46 AM

I'm not 100% convinced that Richard is dead - remember he was supposed to be endowed with eternal life by Jacob. If MIB can't kill the candidates then perhaps he also can't kil Mr Guyliner? Don't be surprised if RA makes another appearance on Sunday.

#45. Posted by: flambe moi at May 19, 2010 7:46 AM

Also, whatever I thought after last week's episode, this week they came back with a vengeance. Best episode of the season (so far). Kudos to the writers.

Mac - GRAA. It's going to be sad not to have anymore Lost after the wekend but will almost miss your reviews and the chat here more. Any plans to start reviewing other shows after this?

#46. Posted by: flambe moi at May 19, 2010 7:53 AM

So, Jack is going to be the island keeper. I�m wondering who, if anyone, will remain on the island to keep him company. As long as she�s alive I would think at a minimum Kate will. If she does, then Jack and Kate can hatch their own group of candidates to take over the island one day.

#47. Posted by: opserc at May 19, 2010 7:55 AM

Could part of the fail safe plan be for Desmond to arrange for Jack to somehow kill Locke on the operating table (whether by purpose or accidentally)? Not sure how all that would fall together but could be a reason why Desmond is in the sideways world "organizing" things.

#48. Posted by: Ali at May 19, 2010 7:59 AM

@45 flambe moi - "I'm not 100% convinced that Richard is dead - remember he was supposed to be endowed with eternal life by Jacob."

Good point. Maybe that is why he was thrown so far by Smokey, so he couldn't interfere with MIB wanted to do.

#49. Posted by: opserc at May 19, 2010 8:15 AM

I've always noticed how none of the crash survivors had kids. Very odd when you look around you on a flight. The two kids on the flight were 'rescued' by the Others.

When Ben and Flocke were having their little convo on the porch and MIB said that Ben could have the island, I got the distinct impression that Ben knew he was lying and was simply saying what he wanted to hear for the time being. Ben may be beyond redemption at this point but I bet he plays a role in killing MIB. Now that W is dead he has nothing to live for. That makes him dangerous to Flocke.

For some reason I see Kate staying with Jack on the island. Sawyer & Miles are KIA, Hurley goes home, Ben dies sticking it to the MIB. He's simply too complex a character to suddenly make him black/white.

So my bet is that the concert is David's and Daniel is his teacher. It's being held at the museum w/ Chang, Miles and Charlotte. The Widmores are benefactors. Juliet will be there, Miles will see Kate and call Sawyer. Don't see any Jin/Sun appearances. Should be quite the show-down. Hurley and Sayid will come to the rescue.

I sure hope Richard is dead because if he's still alive then he is hurtin' bad right now.

So my Ana-Lucia as Miles' girlfriend does not seem to pan out. Too bad, they would've made a great snarky couple.

#50. Posted by: otherkate at May 19, 2010 8:18 AM

As dumb as it sounds now, I was kind of thinking that when Flocke asked Ben where Widmore was, Widmore was really hiding somewhere else and Ben was luring Flocke into the closet where he was going to try to blow him up with the C4.

As for Ana Lucia, she was a cop, but not Miles' girlfriend, right? She just seemed to be an ordinary cop on the force, (to say nothing of on the take) !

Kind of an ignominious end (or is it?) for Richard. But then, on this island, you practically have to be beheaded to be dead! I'm pretty sure he'll pop up again...

I guessed we missed the wake up by Sawyer, ever so grateful that jack saved him.

And Kate ..dragging behind Jack and Sawyer, back with Hurley..asking if Hurley was ok while she trogged along with a bullet wound sewn up with (what was that he sewed her up with, "all he had"??) Heck, I had to stay in bed for 2 days when I got my wisdom teeth pulled. Kate, you're a trooper!

#51. Posted by: sandivon at May 19, 2010 8:30 AM

I think there is only one concert. In which case a huge number of the cast will be in the same place during the finale (but not Ana Lucia, she's not ready!). Jack, David, David's mom, presumably aunt Claire, Desmond, Kate, Miles, possibly Sawyer, Dr. Chang, Charlotte, Daniel, Penny, Charles, Eloise...and I suspect Hugo, Sayid, Libby, and Charlie will end up there too, at a minimum.

I got the impression that once Jack drank the magic water, he received the enlightenment of the Island. Not only can he now find the sweet Caroline--er I mean heartlight--, but I think he has a lot of Jacob's knowledge about how thinks work, too.

The scene at the fire felt awfully Survivor tribal council to me. I kept waiting for Jacob to say "Hurley has the immunity necklace, you can't vote for him. Jack, you're up first.". Well the tribe has spoken, and while Sawyer's line was a good snarky moment, what sold the scene was Kate's gentle rebuke, and Hurley's admission of relief.

#52. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 19, 2010 8:31 AM

Oh, and while Ben might still help the good guys in the end, he is by no means a good guy or always acting in the Island's best interest. Just ask Gretchen and what's her name from the Looking Glass Station. Ben was always ready to kill innocents or his own people to cover up his mistakes or for personal power.

#53. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 19, 2010 8:37 AM

What if Ben is like Sayid, soul-less, that would justify his actions, and would be consistent with the storyline, and also the problems with Claire. Anybody brought back by light, is not the same!

#54. Posted by: Armando at May 19, 2010 8:44 AM

Hey, everyone, 1st time poster (about time, right?). Just a few random thoughts...

Any chance that Sawyer becomes the new MIB? His overwhelming drive has been to get off the island, although he's turned down several chances to do so in the past. I think his love/hate relationship with the island and with Jack could end up with him being Jack's nemesis when it all shakes out. I could see him forced to make a decision in the finale that would save the others but doom himself to being stuck on the island. Having Sawyer and Jack playing a little modified backgammon would be a fitting final shot...

Interested to see where this Ben thing goes. I don't think it's a question that Jacob wanted Ben to kill him, Obi-Wan style. It seems like when the protector is ready to go, they're ready to go (like FMom saying "thanks" to MIB). Also, an interesting parallel to the island protector as FMom/Jacob/Jack and the button pushers Inman/Desmond/Locke...

I think Lapidus has to be alive. Why keep him around this long otherwise? Makes no sense to have a plane and no pilot...

Perhaps Charles couldn't be killed so long as he agreed to remain in exile off the island? Once he returned, he's fair game?

Still no guesses on who Jack's ex is? Has to be an important female character, one who wasn't on the flight, and one who we haven't seen in the flash-sideways yet, right? Juliet has to be the favorite. Who else could it be? Sarah?

Will we have a Walt sighting off the island? Bernard and Rose on it?

In any case, looking forward to the finale, then rewatching the series!

#55. Posted by: TheTeeto at May 19, 2010 8:45 AM

I agree that Ben is going to turn on MIB at some point. As touching as seeing Ben seemingly become a good guy for awhile, it is much more satisfying to see him get his mojo back.
And what was MIB thinking at the end? He thinks he haas Ben's loyalty by promising him the island. Now he tells Ben he's going to destroy the island? If Ben wasn't planning on turning on Flocke before, he certainly will now that the promise is revealed to be a lie.
Interesting about Ben killing Widmore. However the rules had already been broken when Widmore's men killed Alex. Also at this point Ben has learned from Jacob that he was not really special or important at all and so probably realizes that the rules don't really apply to him.
Wow so much good stuff to chew on! I'm really not caring anymore about some of the half baked answers we've gotten as those mysteries probably weren't all that important. This episode sets up for a fun and satisfying finale and I can not wait. It's gonna be awesome! Best show ever!
Better eat your Wheaties Mac--it's gonna be a doozy!

#56. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 19, 2010 8:48 AM

Admittedly I have no idea what�s really happening here, but I�m totally NOT surprised that Jack is THE MAN for the island. I suspect that the decision by the writers in the season one pilot NOT to kill him off put his character on the fast track to ultimate leadership - whatever they imagined that would be in the dim future . . .

This �collection� by Alt-Dez is really intriguing. It�s also very interesting to me that Alt-Hurley knows everything that Alt-Dez does. Some would venture that he is simply a follower because Dez is so persuasive, but I believe his �flash memories� have been so vivid he really knows about the �island world� he has existed in - or exists in.

I just hope the END is satisfying on all fronts. True, it may turn out tragically on the island, but if the writers can give us a �feel good� conclusion in the Alt-World, everything will even out. (As strange as it sounds, a �Tragic� ending on the island may actually be the �satisfying� ending to that story - didn�t say it would be a �happy� ending.)

BTW: Sorry Rishika, but it�s a little hard to love �island-Ben� after last night! BUT, Alt-Ben - that�s another story. Admittedly a very touching moment with his new found �family�.

Checking in throughout the day to see what�s happening. At least, we only have to wait 5 days (instead of 5 seasons) to know if this weeks �theories� - read �guesses� - will actually materialize.

#57. Posted by: davidrh at May 19, 2010 8:51 AM

The ashes had to have something to do with Jacob being able to take on corporeal form and become viewable by everybody. It was Ilana's true purpose to save those ashes. Once she'd done that, the island was done with her. KABLOOEY!

Still can't figure who let Des out of the well. Could Jack and company have done that between episodes and let him out to go to what he needs to do? Maybe they will flash back and show that later?

It was great seeing RA get the smack down. Could the island be done with him? Maybe he can be killed now--especially since the one who granted him the gift is also dead. Maybe RA comes back as a spirit or is reunited with his wife. Otherwise he's gonna be laying there doing a whole lot of nothing for a loooong time with every bone in his body pulverized. (Or maybe Smokey prepared ahead and stacked a nice big pile of leaves for him to have a soft landing in?)

#58. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 19, 2010 8:55 AM

@51. Posted by: sandivon - And don't forget, the bullet went through, so Jack had to stitch up her back also.

I still want Jack to ask more questions! What did drinking the water do to him, is he non-aging? How does he keep Smokey & all the other humans away from the light? How can he kill Smokey if Jacob didn't know how? If only the protector can find the light, why does it need a protector????????????

If Jack is the protector, then his alt-character has to die. So that's what the neck wound is. Except then his son (who doesn't exist in any other universe) & Claire are left in the lurch. Jack is no longer a loner.

#59. Posted by: hurling at May 19, 2010 8:58 AM

Wasn't it Sayid who let Desmond out of the well?

#60. Posted by: hurling at May 19, 2010 9:00 AM

A few people have asked who let Desmond out of the well. I sort of assumed it was Sayid. Desmond played on his love and loyalty to Nadia. Sayid didn't kill him and ended up helping him out of the well. Hence the smirk he gave Flocke when Flock asked if he killed Sayid. Sayid ended up redeeming himself not only by taking the bomb in the sub, but helping Desmond as well.

#61. Posted by: irishfan at May 19, 2010 9:03 AM

@Mac - fantastic review as always (FRAA) :) Your wit and humor truly make each weekly review something to look forward to. I'll be missing you come next Tuesday, the day I awake knowing I have nothing to await from you when I get to the office.

- Where's Claire?
- Was I the only one laughing as they watched Desmond sitting in the car seemingly contemplating running Locke down a second time?
- Why would Widmore fear for his daughter's life should MIB leave The Island if he had already stated that the world would end if he ever got off? That's either 'end of series sloppiness' or Widmore knew he was dead either way and was giving MIB a false lead. I'm leaning towards the former but hoping for the latter.
- With Jack now the new guardian didn't MIB just run out of options? I mean, he was trying to kill all of the candidates after spending centuries finding a loophole to kill Jacob specifically to keep them from becoming the next guardian. Isn't it completely bacl to the drawing board for MIB? Something tells me either Claire or Ben might kill Jack in the finale.
- So now MIB wants to destroy The Island? What happened to just getting off of it? Did that plan chnage with Jack becoming the next guardian? Will he use Jack's friends against him? I think that's a likely scenario.
- If Jack makes the rules now, can't he just undo the 'mistake' Jacob made, declare MIB can go free, and remove his smokiness?
- Jacob forgot to tell Jack to never go into the cave or what the cave is, other than it being the 'heart' of The Island.
- Given everything The Island has done, maybe it's better to kill it at this point? I mean, what good has it ever really done? Kill it and disperse the light so no one person could ever harness it again and problem solved, no? I know, I'm being simplistic but still, just sayin'....
- So, seriously, where are Rose/Bernard hiding on this island that nobody has run into them since last season?

LostedIt out (until I get to the office)...

#62. Posted by: LostedIt at May 19, 2010 9:06 AM

@Mac - fantastic review as always (FRAA) :) Your wit and humor truly make each weekly review something to look forward to. I'll be missing you come next Tuesday, the day I awake knowing I have nothing to await from you when I get to the office.

- Where's Claire?
- Was I the only one laughing as they watched Desmond sitting in the car seemingly contemplating running Locke down a second time?
- Why would Widmore fear for his daughter's life should MIB leave The Island if he had already stated that the world would end if he ever got off? That's either 'end of series sloppiness' or Widmore knew he was dead either way and was giving MIB a false lead. I'm leaning towards the former but hoping for the latter.
- With Jack now the new guardian didn't MIB just run out of options? I mean, he was trying to kill all of the candidates after spending centuries finding a loophole to kill Jacob specifically to keep them from becoming the next guardian. Isn't it completely bacl to the drawing board for MIB? Something tells me either Claire or Ben might kill Jack in the finale.
- So now MIB wants to destroy The Island? What happened to just getting off of it? Did that plan chnage with Jack becoming the next guardian? Will he use Jack's friends against him? I think that's a likely scenario.
- If Jack makes the rules now, can't he just undo the 'mistake' Jacob made, declare MIB can go free, and remove his smokiness?
- Jacob forgot to tell Jack to never go into the cave or what the cave is, other than it being the 'heart' of The Island.
- Given everything The Island has done, maybe it's better to kill it at this point? I mean, what good has it ever really done? Kill it and disperse the light so no one person could ever harness it again and problem solved, no? I know, I'm being simplistic but still, just sayin'....
- So, seriously, where are Rose/Bernard hiding on this island that nobody has run into them since last season?

LostedIt out (until I get to the office)...

#63. Posted by: LostedIt at May 19, 2010 9:07 AM

@57. Posted by: davidrh - Oh, no, I think ilblxx will agree with me - Ben's got his mojo back. I love his evilness. "Can I kill more people, can I, huh, can I?" So different than Sayid's resignation.

#64. Posted by: hurling at May 19, 2010 9:08 AM

Sayid told Jack and the others to go find Desmond in the well (just before he Artzed himelf) so I'm assuming Sayid did not let Des out.
I'm thinking that maybe some of the rules and instructions may be left behind for the island protectors in such things as the tapestries Jacob wove or maybe on the Temple walls in the hieroglyphics.

#65. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 19, 2010 9:10 AM

@#55 TheTeeto

I have said in previous posts that I think David's mom is Sarah. After Jack tried to jump off the bridge after learning of Locke's death and he ended up at the hospital, he called Sarah to come and get him. Obviously, they were no longer together, but I recall that she was pregnant. Maybe in Alt-universe, they got back together, had David, to only split again...? I can't think of any other female that we haven't already seen in Alt-universe or was not on the plane that could possibly be David's mom.

#66. Posted by: Boodle at May 19, 2010 9:20 AM

Re: #64 - Oooooo hurling, you have such a dark heart!


:-)

Just call me "Pollyanna".

(I just realized I will probably have to explain who that is to three-quarters of our posters!)

#67. Posted by: davidrh at May 19, 2010 9:21 AM

Sarah makes sense because she is a loved character by the fans (and Modern Family filmed an episode in Hawaii - so Julie Bowen could do a cameo?) It was interesting that David said to Jack "are you going to act all weird" when refrencing that his mom would be at the concert. Weird because Jack still loves Sara. Happy ending Jack, Sara and David, but Jsck stays on the island so what happens to the happy family.

#68. Posted by: Rudy at May 19, 2010 9:27 AM

first post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard didn't think Locke was looking for him at DHARMA barracks, he was trying to distract him and give Ben, Widdy, Miles, etc time to hide. It didn't work.

#69. Posted by: Captain Sandwich at May 19, 2010 9:29 AM

I Agree with EMAC: Ben Linus will redeem himself. He is keeping his enemy close, by buddying up with smokie.

#70. Posted by: Justin at May 19, 2010 9:30 AM

@ shikotee: I thought it was pretty weird that Widmore turned on the water tap, filled a glass, and drank it. Seriously - no one has been taking care of that plumbing for 3 years! Yuck!

Am I the only one who caught the (probably unintended) pun? As Widmore filled the glass, Ben says "What're you doing here?" (Water you doing here.)

I know, silly, but I'm so confused by all this, it's all I have to contribute!

#71. Posted by: Kathy at May 19, 2010 9:31 AM

Mac, you are the man. Boy I'm gonna miss this!!

@52 FenwayBen...The scene at the fire felt awfully Survivor tribal council to me.

I said the same thing! Jacob was holding a torch after he had Jack drink the kool-aid/water. I looked at my husband and said, "Jacob, the tribe has spoken." Jack shoulda put his torch out in the river ;-)

@56 Crispy...I agree that Ben is going to turn on MIB at some point. As touching as seeing Ben seemingly become a good guy for awhile, it is much more satisfying to see him get his mojo back.

Agreed. I think that a few things happened with Ben last night to help him get his mojo back. First of all, I think the jolt of being painfully reminded of the reality of Alex's death kind of woke him up. Then, within minutes, to see Widmore, who he blames, added to that. The last straw though was for him to fully realize that the Smoke monster was "summoning him" and not the other way around has unleashed The WRATH of BEN. Just to seal the deal, Flocke tells Ben, "When I leave the island is yours." I would love to have heard what was going through Ben's mind right then. What the h-e-l-l is left on the island for anyone to have? I'm sure that was a big slap in the face.

Anywho, I think that Ben will indeed turn in a major way on the MIB. I don't, however, think that it will be out of his newfound "goodness." I think that he will turn on him to exact revenge for being played all of those years by the MIB. The fact that he helps save the world in the process will be irrelevant to our selfish Ben.

BTW, I loved it when Alex looked at Ben and said, "You look like Napoleon." Classic!

So much in this episode...I'll be back!

#72. Posted by: lost2theworld at May 19, 2010 9:32 AM

Mac GRAA. I also find it hard to believe that next Tuesday, there will be no new episode, no new review :-( Guess I'll just have to re-watch the series.

Some observations:
- I remember the writers saying something about the Kwons' daughter being important and that maybe she is the Kwon candidate. Who could be more lonely that a little girl who lost both of her parents?

- I also saw Jack's neck wound switch sides. probably a mirror thing.

...and a few questions...
I know we'll probably never find out, but why was Widmore trying to kill everyone on the island (freighter episodes)? Was he serving MiB? Did MiB make the same promise (i.e. control of the island)?
- What was Widmore's plan when he brought the huge team there with Desmond? Why the mortars? Was he hoping he could kill MiB - with mortars or explosives in the plane? If Desmond was the failsafe, what was plan one?

#73. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 9:34 AM

Cecil, thanks for the weekend events summary. Very helpful.

I read the interview with Darlton in the NY Times over the weekend. It is interesting that they knew what the very last scene of LOST would be in Season 1! We always knew that they had a clear begining and ending, but i didn't know that actually knew the last scene. Can't wait to see it!

#74. Posted by: HurleysTHEone at May 19, 2010 9:37 AM

My money says that Claire let Desmond out of the well. Maybe MiB sent her to kill him (or check up on him) and he worked his magic like he did on Sayid (although I admit that that would be a stupid move by MiB...). Maybe it's a convenient explanation for two questions (where is Claire and who let the Dez out...)

#75. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 9:42 AM

@66 Boodle said:

>I have said in previous posts that I think David's mom is Sarah. After Jack tried to jump off the bridge after learning of Locke's death and he ended up at the hospital, he called Sarah to come and get him. Obviously, they were no longer together, but I recall that she was pregnant. Maybe in Alt-universe, they got back together, had David, to only split again...? I can't think of any other female that we haven't already seen in Alt-universe or was not on the plane that could possibly be David's mom.

Sarah was pregnant because she was with another man by then. Jack didn't call her, the hospital did because she was still listed as Jack's emergency contact - Jack had never updated his information after the breakup.

Sarah declined to give Jack a ride home from the hospital because 'that wouldn't be appropriate.'

My money's on Juliet as David's mom.

#76. Posted by: Cecil at May 19, 2010 9:42 AM

If Jack = Jacob, does Ben get to hang back as the new, improved MIB? Does the island require evil twins or just a single caretaker?

#77. Posted by: bearandbu at May 19, 2010 9:47 AM

Someone posted this over on Ack's site in her comments section. I thought it was awesome so I wanted to share...

�What if Desmond is getting them all together [at the concert] so that they can all have this mega flash (everything rising converges at this point) and if they all remember the Island then when Flocke tries to destroy it, it can�t be done because of that whole philosophical concept of �I think therefore I am� so you know, they all remember the Island and so Island Time won�t get obliterated.�

Interesting, no?

#78. Posted by: lost2theworld at May 19, 2010 9:50 AM

I think the last scene will be Jack and Flocke sitting on the beach, with Flocke saying to Jack "Do you know how badly I want to kill you?"

I also think alt-Jack will "die", or cease to exist, at some point. I would have thought it would happen when he became the Protector, but it didn't. So now I think it will be while he's operation on alt-Locke, which will also cause alt-Locke to die.

I wonder if there can be multiple Protectors? Could Kate drink from the cup and join Jack in eternity?

#79. Posted by: LostInConnecticut at May 19, 2010 9:51 AM

Did anyone else notice that the Alt timeline "reunion" (Dez, Kate, Hugo, Sayid) appeared to happen at the same dock that the original island reunion happened to go back? (Ben, Jack, Sun, Kate...and I believe dead Locke?)

After that meeting...they all went to see Eloise. This woman almost HAS to be super important to the plot of the finale. She seems to know everything.

I don't think that the dock has much to do with anything to do with anything but I just love the subtle things the writers do to tie oddball things together.

Also, I'm calling Bullet proof vest on Widmore. I don't think he's dead. I just don't see Widmore getting axed like that.

#80. Posted by: Reesespieces at May 19, 2010 9:55 AM

I think people are reading in way too far with the Kate not a candidate because she is a mom rule applying to everyone. I don't think this was a universal decree or rule. It was just Jacob's opinion on Kate. It does not mean that this criteria MUST BE applied to every other person.


@53. Posted by: FenwayBen
re: Ben - he is by no means a good guy

I disagree. He's simply complicated. Sure - he's killed lots of people, but who hasn't?
I imagine he had the same cynical views on humanity that Fmom and Flocke have expressed, which makes anyone expendable. I argued previously on behalf of Widmore, and I make the same case for Ben. He's a man who has done some very horrible things, but believed he was serving a higher good. He's as blurred as MIB is as a bad guy. Nice to see Ben take a more active role, but I believe he will once again serve good by the end. In the process, he may very well do some horrible things once more....


@58. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes
re: Still can't figure who let Des out of the well

As has been mentioned, it was not likely Sayid. My money is on Rose and Bernard out for a walk with Vincent, who takes them to Desmond.


@62. Posted by: LostedIt
re: where are Rose/Bernard hiding

Assuming they time jumped like everyone else, I would imagine they have been fixing up what was left from their 60's shack HQ.


@71. Posted by: Kathy
re: Water you doing here

LoL!


#81. Posted by: shikotee at May 19, 2010 9:57 AM

@15 Cecil - You can add another hour to Lost-centric programming - Food Network is getting in on the act too! Tonight (5/19) at 10 "Dinner: Impossible" is Lost themed - preparing a meal Lost-style for the cast and crew (whatever that means...they can only use food from the Dharma drop palates?)

#82. Posted by: ionlydrinkmccutcheon at May 19, 2010 9:58 AM

Hi all - Long time reader of this blog, but first time poster.

Mac, your reviews have been awesome. I usually work Tuesday nights, so by the time I make it to this blog, there's so many posts, it feels too late for me to even begin to post, but I've always enjoyed reading everyone's comments.

I do have one comment to HurleysTHEone comment that Darlton knew the last scene back when the series started 6 years ago, but it might be a spoiler.

**SPOILER**

I remember reading somewhere that they filmed the last scene of Lost the first season and it has young Walt in it from S1. Anyone hear that as well?


**SPOILER**

#83. Posted by: BenIsGlory at May 19, 2010 10:04 AM

Any chance that Sawyer played a role in having Ana-Lucia assigned to transport the group? Maybe Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer are working together, and maybe Jack's stepping up to follow Jakob is all part of Desmond�s master plan, not Jakob's.

I just don�t like Jakob. He isn�t �enlightened.�

I can�t help thinking that what Locke must �let go,� is not guilt about his father, but rather guilt about his violent, but necessary, role in the island ordeal that ultimately brought the whole group back to the alt universe.

Couldn�t Charlie be a performer at the concert?

#84. Posted by: CATON at May 19, 2010 10:04 AM

@79: LostInConnecticut - I don't remember there ever being anything stated that there can be multiple protectors. Multiple candidates, yes.

One must wonder, given the history of the guardians, how much Jack now knows about everything related to The Island. The implication was that simply becoming the guardian gave them a great deal of knowledge. Are the writers going to ignore that implication and completely leave Jack in the dark as much as always (something for which I'd be greatly annoyed) or will Jack suddenly know a lot about a lot and have powers nobody even knew were possible (like wiping out a village and burying a well, anyone?) such that he can allow his friends some kind of protection from MIB and know how to protect The Island all at the same time?

#85. Posted by: LostedIt at May 19, 2010 10:09 AM

GRAA Mac.

Zoe gets a parenthetical...nice.

Is it possible that Ben had blanks in the gun?

Do they really keep male and female "guests" together in jail? And transport them together? With only one cop at the wheel and no escort?

I know I know I'm picking nits, but c'mon...really?

Richard ain't dead...just re-applying his Guyliner.

Could Jacob have let Des out of the well? Or did Lassie go fetch Timmy...?

More later after caffeine kicks in...

#86. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 19, 2010 10:10 AM

Nice job, Mac.

I can't believe it ends in a matter of days. :(

#87. Posted by: Walker at May 19, 2010 10:11 AM

Anyone notice every time someone said, "If Locke," it sounded like "Flocke?"

#88. Posted by: hurling at May 19, 2010 10:12 AM

Charlie is dead in the Alt timeline, correct? But everyone else is still alive. We've never seen Michael or Walt in the Alt timeline, but we assume they are alive.

#89. Posted by: Rudy at May 19, 2010 10:13 AM

#1. Posted by: shikotee

You are right on the button about the island. Sometimes they get across it in what seems like hours, other times it days. What does the island change shape? I thought the others had some way to get across it quickly.

As for the comments on Ben. I think he has stopped caring and is looking for an angle.

And everyone is talking about the rules, they just have been changed. Since Jack is the new Jacob, the MiB can kill the rest, no?

And if the loophole was someone else had to kill Jacob, why bring people to the island. I think Jacob, like his "mother", wished to be killed.

Oh, and Jacob's line about the rest being lonely, didn't he push and pull their lives gently to that point?

#90. Posted by: Stock at May 19, 2010 10:14 AM

Jacob says that Kate's name was crossed off as a potential candidate because she had become a 'mom'. If you remember, Jacob said that he wanted the candidates to have a choice...something he said that he never had. If a mother were the protector she, like Jacob's fmom before, might force their child to be to be the successor. Therefore, Jacob is consistent in his plan - let the eventual 'protector' have a choice, and don't place anyone in the position to be the 'stuckee'!

#91. Posted by: MySoulmateDigsLost at May 19, 2010 10:16 AM

So, attendees at the benefit concert willl be:

Jack
David
David's mom (I assume this is Juliette)
Miles
Dr. Chang (MIles already said his dad would be there)
Charlotte (Miles said she would attend)
Kate (by way of Desmond)
Sayid (by way of Desmond)
Desmond (the pupetteer)
Hurley (Des' wing man)

I am betting that somehow, it will also include:
Sawyer (who will give in and go with Miles)
Claire (who will tag along with Jack and David)

What about Locke and Ben? Will they somehow show up too?

#92. Posted by: GatorGal at May 19, 2010 10:16 AM

All this lead-up to "the concert" keeps putting me in mind of the "At the Prom" song from Not Another Teen Movie.

Mac, I'll miss your posts almost as much as the show. Thanks a mil for all your awesome efforts over the years!

#93. Posted by: korper at May 19, 2010 10:16 AM

Rose and Bernard let Desmond out of the well. We'll see the scene in the finale.

#94. Posted by: schiano at May 19, 2010 10:18 AM

The pitch has been that the character driven series would wind up in heroic fashion, but I found no compassion or heroic qualities in the characters last night. The four around Jacob's camp fire reminded me of four kids in the principal's office, and Jack standing up to take the blame for something he does not know about. Who in their right mind would take an island guardian job, with the duty to kill a monster, without any instructions or plan?

I never liked the sideways story arc, but I think the writers will use it in this bold fashion: sideways Jack will intentionally screw up Locke's surgery, killing him on the table (just like his father did to a patient) which would then "kill" Flocke on the island world. I have no explanation how or why that would happen, but I think that is the purpose.

I also thought that EVERYONE left on the island will be Capt. Frank'd in the finale, except Cindy, Emma and Zach, who replace CrazyMom, Jacob and MIB.

#95. Posted by: welh at May 19, 2010 10:19 AM

This week's Totally Lost recap of "Across the Sea" over at ew.com includes guest appearances by Titus Welliver and Mark Pelligrino. It is too funny.

#96. Posted by: lost2theworld at May 19, 2010 10:28 AM

@59: If only the protector can find the light, why does it need a protector????????????

I asked this same question of myself last night. I am guessing that we learned the answer last week. Only the protector can find (and lead the chosen) to the actual light cave. But MIB found a "loophole" and started digging. He was able to find the source of the light underground. MIBs people, Dharma and others have tried to find the light in the exact same way. The failures to actually get to the light by so many is clearly a result of the protector's actions directly or indirectly....Well, that's what I think anyway.

#97. Posted by: Steve at May 19, 2010 10:37 AM

Phew - a goodie.

Some thoughts:

- the whole 'name crossed off because you became a mother' business. Does this have anything to do with women dying after childbirth on the island? Does it have anything to do with the Other stealing babies? If it does, i still don't know what it all means. Why don't peoples' names get crossed off when they become fathers?

- I'm starting to think that Locke and Jack Bauer are the same person. It's amazing that 24 and Lost are both turning into revenge bloodbaths as both series wrap up!

- What really does it mean to be the protector of the island? Will Jack have superpowers?

- What really is Ben's end game? did he really have fresh lemonade?

- Widmore getting killed - kind of a disappointment - i thought that he was the ultimate villain way back when then boom, he's gone.

ciao!

#98. Posted by: TS at May 19, 2010 10:41 AM

GRAA Mac!

I think Ben is keeping his enemy close; MIB assumes Ben wants to Be Captain of the Island and Ben is playing along with it. Ben will come through for us. He may make a supreme sacrifice to permit Jack to do what Jack has to do.

Desmond is going to be Jack's consigliare.

I knew Kate was crossed off because she was a mother! You know how I knew? Because it is the only thing that had changed about her; she is otherwise the same tough broad she has always been.

I think David's mom will be Juliet...has to be so she and Sawyer can meet and go for a cup of coffee.

I don't care if Widmore had a visitaion by Jacob or not...he was on that island because he intended to exploit the island's mysterious properties.

Happy Trails Ricardo...

Sayid did not let Desmond out of the well, he is the one who told Sawyer that Desmond was in the well. Before last nite's episode, I figured Ben, Miles and Richard would get Desmond out, but that is no longer viable. There are only two people and a dog unaccounted for on the island right now and I can't help but think they are responsible for freeing Desmond.

What purpose did Zoe serve? Just to show us how ruthless Flocke is?

I love Zen-Desmond with his calm smile, so serene and amused by all of it.

So Flocke is the one and only Smoke Monster, a Jacobian boo-boo of the first magnitude! Truly, how do we get the genie back in the bottle!
So I think it is safe to say that: 1.Smokey is not a security system. 2.There is no one who is destined to take over the position of smoke monster.

How will they get rid of Smokey? You know, they showed us Adam and Eve at the beginning of the show; they showed us again last week. This week Jacob tells us now that he has his ashes in the fire, when the fire goes out, Jacob will be gone once and for all....so I'm wondering is the Lostees will do something with MIB's bones.

I'm hungry, going to eat.

#99. Posted by: undauntid at May 19, 2010 10:47 AM

@#89. Posted by: Rudy
Charlie is dead in the Alt timeline, correct?
Maybe I'm not remembering something, but I think Charlie is still alive. He tried to drown in the car, but lived to tell Desmond about the memories of the island. And, he was supposed to play in the concert with Daniel Faraday so he could be there.
Now, if I have "misremembered" someone please set me straight.
Also, was I alone in thinking that Jin was going to wash up on the beach while they were all looking out to sea?

#100. Posted by: Amyr at May 19, 2010 10:51 AM

@89: Charlie is dead in the Alt timeline, correct?

Nope - Charlie is still alive in the alt timeline. He wanted to be dead and was disappointed when he was saved by Jack. On the Island, yes, he drowned a long time ago...Well, long ago in our eyes.

#101. Posted by: Steve at May 19, 2010 10:51 AM

#50 Awesome theories.

Miles had the best line - the one about 30 years ago being last week!!

#55 Sawyer being new MIB - good theory - some things in the episode left it open for a new TV series "based on Lost", in my book.

MAC, LOST community, THANK YOU. This show has been awesome, but you guys have enhanced it. I've never posted before but I've always looked forward to reading your comments as soon after the show as I could. Thanks again. You will be missed.

#102. Posted by: endoflost at May 19, 2010 10:55 AM

@99 - undauntid
"Jacob tells us now that he has his ashes in the fire, when the fire goes out, Jacob will be gone once and for all....so I'm wondering is the Lostees will do something with MIB's bones."

Could it be as simple as burning the remains completely. I am connfused.
Locke kicks Jacob in foot statue fire.
Jacob burns in foot statue fire.
Fire in foot statue goes out.
Ilana gathers ash from burnt out foot statue fire.
Jacob burns ashes in jungle fire pit.
Jungle fire pit fire goes out (light is extinguished).
Jacob goes for good.

Oh, I think Claire is not accounted for. She could have helped Desmond, or maybe it was Waaaaaaaaaalt!!!

#103. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 11:02 AM

The actors that have been on talk shows have stated that they know how the show ends with their character - but they also stated that they don't know the ending because there was other filming that they were not part of. Does this mean that the end will involve only a couple of the main character's?

I like the idea that the island is at the bottom of the ocean, so that means that something will happen and it will sink or whatever an island does.

@ 86 - Lassie had to go and get Timmy. That's the only way people get out of wells.

#104. Posted by: dk at May 19, 2010 11:07 AM

I liked the Miles line about living in New Otherton 30 years ago/last week but find it confusing.
Didn't he say the line to Ben--something like: "I lived there about 30 years before you or like a week ago."

Was he unaware that Ben was also living there 30 years ago as a boy? Or did I just waaay mishear the line?

#105. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 19, 2010 11:11 AM

Mac - GRAA! You will be dearly missed.

a few thoughts on last nights episode: Given the sibling connection of good vs. evil, I'm hoping it does not end up as Jack 'protector' and Claire as the 'new smoke monster'. Also, Flocke left her at the pier perhaps she went off on her own to rescue Des?

I agree they are all headed to the museum concert for a mega dose of dejavux! (so to speak) What or how this rememberance impacts both timelines is the ultimate question. Des knows and now so does Jack. It seemed clear that once Jack drank the 'jacob juice' he knew the secerets of the island. I'm hoping he's going to be able to protect our last remaing friends otherwise Sunday nights epi will be gut wrenching.

Finally, ....To the Lost community here, thank you for great commentary the past six years! Sunday night will be bittersweet but I am ready for our story to conclude (wheter I like it or not) We'll see you back here, one last time, Sunday night!

#106. Posted by: Lost4ever at May 19, 2010 11:13 AM

How was Ben able to kill Widmore? I thought this was against "the rules". Remember how when Ben showed up in Widmore's bedroom, and Widmore said Ben couldn't kill him?

#107. Posted by: BEMH at May 19, 2010 11:15 AM

whoa- missed that altogher. When Des was doing the Ben beatdown on the hood of Des's car. He said "you want to know who I am?", then while beating him to a bloody pulp, Ban had flashes of the beatdown on the marina dock.

#108. Posted by: mtncbn at May 19, 2010 11:23 AM

Maybe I was just "Lost" last night watching (I do loves me some snacks during commercials) but did I hear something about seeing alternate endings on the Jimmy Kimmel follow up show? I know they did that at the end of season 4 (or 5?) when they had different characters in the casket at "Hoffs Drawler" Funeral Home.

On a side note, thank you, thank you thank you MAC for all of your insight, dedication, and wisdom in guiding us through the last 6 years of LOST. This website has enhanced the series for me, and made LOST more than just a show, but truly an experience like no other.

You're the best!

#109. Posted by: Three Men and a Baby (I counted Hugo twice...) at May 19, 2010 11:26 AM

With regard to the rules, widmore and ben cannot kill each other...I don't think (never did think) the rules were a universal law of some sort, like the first law of thermo dynamics. They were just regular everyday rules...brush your teeth, say excuse me, don't kill your brother, etc.

#110. Posted by: undauntid at May 19, 2010 11:27 AM

Long time reader -
3rd time poster

Just gotta say, I never would have "found" my way through Lost without Mac and all you guys. You've had excellent insite and made this a great entertainment experience. I'm so sad to have the series end.

Nope - not all questions will be answered this Sunday and I'm GLAD!!! Why would I want Lost to end any different - I've been confused for the last 6 year. If they answered all the questions - the confusion would be over and I would quit speculating when I rewatch the series. And THATS WHAT MAKES THIS SHOW EXTRA SPECIAL - the questions it raise that we must think about.

Gotta add - those "ghost kids" keep appearing. Are they time jumpers as well?

Also - the female voice at the very end of the show - is that the "mother" of the island to be revealed next week?

Thank Mac and all - Great ride for the last 6 years!!!!

#111. Posted by: Mark at May 19, 2010 11:35 AM

Haven't read all the posts yet ...
(this is a lie but SSHHH don't tell davidrh ... haven't had an AAARRRRGGGHH fix for a while)

#80 I thought Ben killing W might have been a ruse too. If Ben didn't "pretend kill" W then MIB would have for sure and Ben might need him when he turns on MIB. All Ben has left is the island and that's what he wants. Where did he suddenly get the gun though?

#112. Posted by: Kompletely Lost at May 19, 2010 11:36 AM

Is it just me or is the ALT Des just getting hotter and hotter by the episode? Whew!

#113. Posted by: Kompletely Lost at May 19, 2010 11:44 AM

@88 hurling

I thought I heard that too!! Doubt it was intentional but could be a callout to the fans

#114. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 19, 2010 11:46 AM

I was also wondering if perhaps Widmore was not really dead. Nobody actually checked to see if he was dead. What better way to keep Flocke from killing Widmore than for Ben to "kill" him first.

#115. Posted by: chele at May 19, 2010 11:49 AM

@112 and @80 I thought Ben killing W might have been a ruse too. If Ben didn't "pretend kill" W then MIB would have for sure and Ben might need him when he turns on MIB. All Ben has left is the island and that's what he wants. Where did he suddenly get the gun though?

Had the feeling that was a settup. Ben got the gun from the secret room when he went in to get the C4. Maybe W had a bullet proof vest in there too.

It seemed to me that Flock/Smokie just picked up Richard and moved him far awy. He did not do the usual slam into a tree, or smash into the ground manuver.

#116. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 11:50 AM

My bet is that Kate is David's mom, but then I know both Kate and Jack were on the plane together. Still they were split up so no reason for them to sit together or share a taxi. However, I would think that Jack would know if she was in handcuffs, and therefore on the run or in jail, thus could not attend the concert. So I guess that maybe she is not David's mom.

#117. Posted by: BEMH at May 19, 2010 11:57 AM

previous poster (?) said they were waiting for Jin to come ashore when Hurley, Sawyer, Jack and Kate were looking out to sea. I thought it would be Lapidus who washed up and was disappointed that no one did. Still think Lapidus will pop up sooner or later, otherwise he really served no purpose to the story all this time

#118. Posted by: Kompletely Lost at May 19, 2010 11:58 AM

I liked how sawyer said "If Locke" but stretched the f to make it sound like If Flocke. Shout out to the flocke fans.

#119. Posted by: ALEX_ANGEL at May 19, 2010 11:58 AM

I'm glad that they don't turn every death of a major character into a long, drawn-out, teary scene - Richard's death was quite to the point.

#120. Posted by: yellowporcupine at May 19, 2010 11:58 AM

Jack has kept that backpack with him all this time, including escaping the sub, just to have a cup with him for the ritual of drinking with Jacob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#121. Posted by: m at May 19, 2010 11:59 AM

Ah, as I thought I saw, when they put Des in his cell, he still had his belt. Still has it when getting out of van with Anna Lucia. I don't think that is a definite production boo boo.

#122. Posted by: mtncbn at May 19, 2010 12:05 PM

@118. Posted by: Kompletely Lost
"Still think Lapidus will pop up sooner or later, otherwise he really served no purpose to the story all this time"

I am hoping Lapidus shows up, because I have been saying how useless he has been for quite some time, to find out he was just frame filler would be a real let down.

Does anyone else think that maybe Jacob, being the slow child that he was, is still not really very savvy as an adult, and he may have interpreted the turning his brother into smokie thing a bit too simply. Although it does seem that his explaination would make MIB smokie. I just still don't feel the connection is so unique as to be just one individual making up all of smokie.

Besides Jacob called what he did to his brother a mistake. He knew that to "go into the light" was to endure fate worse then death. this was not a mistake, he did it on purpose.

#123. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 12:08 PM

I disagree with Mac about letting people learn their own lessons being a waste of time. If Jacob had told Mac at the outset just after his eyes blinked open,

Jack: Who are you?
Jacob: I'm Jacob. I've been running this strange and weird island where you just crashed for about 18 centuries give or take a few and I'm getting tired of it. I want you to take over this job and in particular maintain the heart light of the island and keep a smoke monster you're about to meet from getting to it. OK?
Jack: Why gosh, I'm honored. You're on!

Don't think so. The journey to faith is not the only point, but it is a necessary journey to take in order to get there. At this point, all the survivors probably could have done it as they have all to some limited extent redeemed themselves (even Kate by raising Aaron and realizing there was someone more important than herself) but Jack seems to have progressed the furthest.

#124. Posted by: August Paul at May 19, 2010 12:13 PM

So mother's can not be candidates...
Is this why children conceived on the island can not come to full term? Jacob needs to call candidates to the island, so if he called a mother who was pregnant, it might be because that child is to be his candidate.

But if a child is conceived on the island, the pregnancy might not be at Jacob's will so the pregnancy is terminated.

Or MIB could possibly have terminated the pregnancies somehow, as this would mean Mother and Child were not candidates and thus, free for the killing...

GRAA Mac! I am dreading/excited to read the final one Sunday... GULP!!

#125. Posted by: vintage at May 19, 2010 12:14 PM

"If Jacob had told Mac at the outset just after his eyes blinked open ..."

Wait ... I'M ON THE ISLAND?!

;)

#126. Posted by: mac at May 19, 2010 12:14 PM

Shot in the dark theory here...

If Desmond is the fail safe, picture this scenario...

- In the final show down with the Smoke Monster, he can be destroyed by the same EM energy (Light) that created him.
- Desmond is the only one who can carry FLocke "into the light".
- Desmond's special abilty will be activated when he enters the EM energy. The island, smoke monster and everyone on the island is destroyed.
- But at the same time it is destroyed, thanks to Des, we will see another time shift a la season 5, and the island will slip through time.
- We go back to BEFORE 815 crashed. The island is now underwater because Des has sank it. And 815 flies on over.

Not sure it connects all the dots we've been seeing, but who knows??

#127. Posted by: vintage at May 19, 2010 12:19 PM

#126
Well, of course, you're on the island. You've been there for six years silly

#128. Posted by: Kompletely Lost at May 19, 2010 12:22 PM

Why can't the Monster kill Jack, Sawyer, etc.? Is it because Jacob named them Candidates, or because Jacob touched them, or both?

If Jack is the new protector of the island then that means he'll need to come up with some Candidates of his own just in case Ben stabs him in the heart.

If he were to declare Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Desmond, Claire, and Miles as his Candidates would that mean that the Monster couldn't kill any of them?

#129. Posted by: Harley R. Pageot at May 19, 2010 12:24 PM

why was Ben able to kill Jacob, of Jacob was talking to him first? I thought that whole "don't let him talk to you first" applied to both jacob and MIB.

Also, what's the significance of MIB slashing Zoe's throat once Widmore told her not to talk to him? MIB said "when you told her not to talk to me she became pointless."

#130. Posted by: BostonSteve at May 19, 2010 12:27 PM

@24 Christina "OK, now I thought that Ben and Widmore could not kill each other! What is up with that???" I had the same question. I recall Ben telling Widmore re. the death of Alex, that Widmore had broken the rules. Presumably Widmore also broke the rules by having a baby (Penny, maybe Faraday) out of island. So taken with the somewhat confusing rules MIB and Jacob vis a vis each other, what is the relationship of all these rules? This is a question I don't think we'll even have an answer to.

Another one--how about Jack's surgical skills--Locke wheeling around back to normal a few hours after major spinal surgery!

#131. Posted by: August Paul at May 19, 2010 12:35 PM

What's up with all this jacob bashing on every write up?! If slept in the same room as your mom for 40 years and never lost your virginity, you'd be swarmy and irritating too! lol

#132. Posted by: Quite Visible Jacob at May 19, 2010 12:37 PM

What I don't get is why did Jacob continue to search for a candidate to protect the island when he had Ben Linus there all along, back to when Ben ran into Richard in the forest?

Ben WANTED the job and he was COMMITTED to the island, and he was also very lonely and flawed. Isn't this the best possible candidate Jacob could have hoped for? What was wrong with Ben that Jacob didn't want to pass the torch to him? So many lives could have been spared!

#133. Posted by: BEMH at May 19, 2010 12:38 PM

My favorite line came from Miles:

I get kinda wonky around dead stuff.

Love that guy!

#134. Posted by: Christin at May 19, 2010 12:41 PM

#121. Posted by: m He needed the backpack not just for the cup but also for the needle and thread to sew up Kate (nice reflection of pilot where Kate sewed up Jack.)

#135. Posted by: August Paul at May 19, 2010 12:51 PM

Thank Goodness.

LOST is almost all over.

I can have my life back.

I can kick my addiction.

I can use the Season Six DVD Box Set to ween me of my LOST craving over the Winter.

I see a bright golden light at the end of the tunnel. (or is that Room 23 on Hydra Island?)

I - - - am - - - almost - - - there...

(AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!! collapses from stroke)

#136. Posted by: yaysayer at May 19, 2010 12:53 PM

Do you have to drink the waters of the River of Enlightenment in order to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Is that what Jacob meant when he said, "now you are just like me?"

@1. Posted by: shikotee: I think Alex was buried by Ben more or less where she was shot which is where Miles "heard" her.

Widmore wasn't a good guy, but he was "born again" when Jacob visited him. That is assuming Jacob actually visited him. I have always assumed Widmore lied at will, but if I think about it, I cannt recall having caught him a lie, in contrast to Ben.

#137. Posted by: August Paul at May 19, 2010 12:54 PM

Thought some of you would enjoy this also...

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Word to John Locke!

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Stay tuned for more �MAYDAY! treats before the new album drops on 9/7/2010.

#138. Posted by: callmejohnlocke at May 19, 2010 1:04 PM

Unfortunately I can�t remember the ending of the show. Did Flocke explain the Desmond=failsafe to Ben and tell him that that means he can destroy the island? If so, then Ben would have to realize that he couldn�t have the island to himself at that point as Flocke told him wouldn�t he?

#139. Posted by: opserc at May 19, 2010 1:05 PM

#126. Posted by: mac That's what comes from watching too many episodes of LOST. Major brain foom. Of course, I meant if Jacob had told Jack.

I wanted to suggest, if haven't already thought of this, that after your last recap you open a thread dealing with everybody's take on the show as a whole. What did it all mean to us? Or maybe a thread on favorite unanswered questions with possible answers.

#140. Posted by: August Paul at May 19, 2010 1:05 PM

loved the call back to Episode 1 with Jack, Kate and a Needle and Thread. Only this time, Jack has to stitch Kate up!

#141. Posted by: vintage at May 19, 2010 1:05 PM

I told myself after last weeks episode I wasn't going to come up with any more theories. I was just going to sit back and enjoy the last few episodes. While reading all the posts, I have come up with a theory.

Jacob states that Kate became a Mom, so that is why she was crossed off. I assumed he meant the Mom of Aaron. But then I recalled hers and Jack's tryst before going back to the island. Does anybody think she is pregnant??

#142. Posted by: Skulley at May 19, 2010 1:09 PM

I think we're getting too hung up on the "rules" that have been stated in the show. Remember when Alex was shot by Keamy? Ben said, "He changed the rules." It's like Kate asking about her name being crossed off and Jacob says he'll put her name back on the list if she'd like. As we've seen somethings can change - we just don't know what they are.

#143. Posted by: dk at May 19, 2010 1:11 PM

oh and is Miles STILL the only one who hasn't been talked to by MIB?

#144. Posted by: BostonSteve at May 19, 2010 1:14 PM

"Loneliness is a side-effect to a life poorly lived."

I whole heartedly disagree. Just sayin'.

#145. Posted by: BlackNyx at May 19, 2010 1:15 PM

@ BlackNyx: Now now, let's not get too philosophical. That was an off-hand quip, not a call to action. Moreover, I was referring to the *characters*. I'll continue to stand by that conclusion, too.

#146. Posted by: mac at May 19, 2010 1:17 PM

I think Kate was crossed off the list because ideally, she would raise the child. Since she was no longer an ideal candidate, and there were still several others, Jacob crossed her off.
However, that's just "ideal" candidates. Doesn't mean she can't still CHOOSE to take the job, as Jacob states.
Remember he likes to let people have a choice. She could choose to raise her son, or choose to be the protector of the island. Jacob assumed she would choose the former, but like he said, it's just a marking on the wall, and she can do what she wants.

#147. Posted by: BostonSteve at May 19, 2010 1:22 PM

The whole name on the wall thing bothered me. Jacob answered Kate's question as if he was the occupant of the ocean side cave. Why would he need TWO places to write down candidates' names (the cave and the lighthouse)? It makes no sense.

Unless, of course, "Jacob" does not really exist. Suppose, when Smokey was created, it immediately killed Jacob. That would leave Smokey totally "alone" on the island. He would have to re-create Jacob (ghost kids) in a schizophrenic way to have conversations, to interact with his lost humanity, to cope with its inherited memories and its loneliness.

#148. Posted by: welh at May 19, 2010 1:24 PM

I can�t believe there was so much hatred for last week�s episode, which I thought was terrific, and this week�s gets all the kudos when it was only a so-so episode. By so-so I mean by lost standards, which means it was still awesome. My scale is based on whether the episode supports the idea that the writers had this planned all along or whether they were making it up as they went. After last week I thought they definitely had the whole thing planned. After last night I�m not so sure. While Desmond is my favorite character, his actions in the alt timeline seem like they could be interpreted as a �failsafe� for the writers, running around and tying up loose ends whatever they may be.

There were too many things last night that felt a little contrived. Kate�s name being crossed off because she was a mom struck me as backtracking on the writer�s part rather than anything planned. The Ben Rousseau match, while some found it touching, was cheesy to me.

Despite these things it has me really drooling over Sunday. I can�t wait.

My own theory, while dealt a blow at Jack being elected protector (he�s been irritating me since around season two), is that Locke was meant to be the islands protector. The alt timeline is the islands way of getting the real Locke back after he was killed. It�s a thought.

The concert is going to be ahmdinger. As for those who are going to be present, I think we have most people accounted for don�t we? Not sure how Jin and Sun will get there. Someone mentioned Charlie but isn�t sideways Charlie dead? He didn�t seem to have any interest in getting out of that car when he tried to kill himself and Des.

Jacks ex. Someone suggested Juliette. Did we not see sideways Juliette already? I thought we did but can�t remember where or who she was connected with. Whoever it is it has to be someone of importance. Who else hasn�t put in an appearance?

Richard�s end (if it was an end) may have seemed swift and out of left field, but I think it is telling in that he thought he was much more important than he actually was. He was saying how the monster just wanted Richard on his side. So much for that.

Ben, while definetly skeevy, did nothing wrong in this episode. His cooperation with FLcke seemed to be only a matter of survival. He didn�t seem too convincing in his acceptance of FLockes deal that he could have the island, and he killed Widmore at a very opportune moment, though FLocke claimed he had already heard what he wanted to know, Widmore had not finished speaking.

These thought are in no particvualr order but if I tried to organize �Lost� thoughts I think I would go jibbering mad and end up in Santa Rosa.

#149. Posted by: Blix at May 19, 2010 1:30 PM

@62, I agree, where are Rose, Bernard, and VINCENT!

If the writers don't close the loop on the whole "Walt is special" drama from the beginning of the show I am going to be pissed.

Also, once the Oceanic 6 got back to real life, why were Ben and Sayid killing all those people to protect the six? Who was trying to harm them and why? Does this have anything to do with the visit Jacob paid Widmore after the freighter explosion?

Who built that statue that Jacob was living in?

I hope Richard is still alive.

#150. Posted by: karen at May 19, 2010 1:34 PM

also, who was that weird creepy black dude that talked to locke in the hospital and drove locke around? we never really learned what his purpose was.

#151. Posted by: karen at May 19, 2010 1:50 PM

@ #75. Posted by: Paul_C

Good call!!!

Desmond is awakening the zombies, one by one. Kind of like he's doing in the alt-verse?? Oooo connection!

#152. Posted by: Christin at May 19, 2010 1:53 PM

@13: What I don't get is why did Jacob continue to search for a candidate to protect the island when he had Ben Linus there all along, back to when Ben ran into Richard in the forest?

Ben WANTED the job and he was COMMITTED to the island, and he was also very lonely and flawed. Isn't this the best possible candidate Jacob could have hoped for? What was wrong with Ben that Jacob didn't want to pass the torch to him? So many lives could have been spared!

The only thing I can think is that while Ben would make an excellent protector, perhaps Jacob saw a much more powerful skill in Ben: To be the one to kill Jacob and free him of the burden of protecting the island. To find the person and manipulate the person who can end your term as protector seems the greatest task.

#153. Posted by: Steve at May 19, 2010 1:54 PM

One thing that was never explored was what Kate was thinking and seeing when she had her near-death experience.

We know that timelines merge at this point and that merge can go in either direction; alt to island (Sun) or island to alt (Hurley).

But Kate didn't seem to see anything and if she did, we were not privy to it.

She did, however, make an incredible recovery. I believe Sepsis might be setting in, but then again, the island has healed before.

#154. Posted by: Steve at May 19, 2010 1:58 PM

GRAA, Mac....I will miss you and this blog. 140 posts already! It's tough to keep up this fast pace.

The fireside chat was confusing to me, as well... how these people could suddenly see Jacob. I thought: did Jacob re-create - and then - re-cremate himself?

Ben says about Charles: "He doesn't get to save his daughter". I wonder if Ben really believes he can still try to kill Penny or if he believes Charles could have saved the world and, thus, Penny.

What were the promises that Des said the jailbirds had to make? Was it simply going to the concert? Love that he had a LBD for Kate in the car!

And I wouldn't mind being touched by that hot Scot. Yup. Des is yummy.

#155. Posted by: lovelost at May 19, 2010 1:58 PM

@137: Do you have to drink the waters... ... what Jacob meant when he said, "now you are just like me?"
==============
I think that is more a reference to the permanent island amoebic dysentery/diarrhea. You know... $h!t trigger stuck on full auto... playing Hong Kong Hop-Scotch... the Trotskies... the Porta Potty Polka... dropping anchor without orders from the Captain... Matt Fox's career choices...

#156. Posted by: Oh Blivious at May 19, 2010 2:00 PM

I can never get close to caught up on the comments. There is a photo on the table as Locke enters Jack's office, it is on the right side of the room from Locke's perspective. Might it be a family photo? I have looked through a bunch of frames, but I can't go one at a time, I wonder if there is a frame containing that photo in focus.

Just getting caught up to my 108(I GOT 108!!) Anyone Notice The Flashes ANTF

#157. Posted by: mtncbn at May 19, 2010 2:10 PM

@149 - Charlie is alive in the alt universe. him and desmond were in the hospital after their car crash.

@151 - his purpose was to "get people where they needed to go"

@154, those near-death experiences only work in the alt-timeline, where they see visions of the island. Not the other way around.

With Widmore dead, Ben won't try to kill Penny. I think the whole point of killing his daughter was so he'd have to live with that pain.

#158. Posted by: BostonSteve at May 19, 2010 2:13 PM

My favorite quote of the night was from Jacob to Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, and Kate, fireside, "the island needed you as much as you needed it." I've been waiting forever to hear someone say that...out loud!

#159. Posted by: Jenny at May 19, 2010 2:15 PM

Destiny or Choice?

All along, we have been led to believe that the show is about destiny. But last night, was all about Choice. Just found this interesting...

#160. Posted by: GatorGal at May 19, 2010 2:20 PM

am i missing something? kate is not a "mom"; she was raising claire's child. could she be pregnant now and not know it?

#161. Posted by: bob at May 19, 2010 2:20 PM

#153. Steve ...perhaps Jacob saw a much more powerful skill in Ben: To be the one to kill Jacob and free him of the burden of protecting the island...

Jacob wants Ben to kill Jacob??? Well, up to this point no one has found any error in Miles reading the dead...and Miles said (after reading dead Jacob's ashes) that up to the very last moment he (Jocob) was hoping that Ben would not go through with it (stabbing/killing Jacob)...but, being 'good'.

#162. Posted by: MySoulmateDigsLost at May 19, 2010 2:20 PM

@ #158 Charlie is alive in the alt universe. him and desmond were in the hospital after their car crash.

Really? I must have missed that. I thought we last saw him in the sinking car and raising his hand up to Drs as he did in the looking glass.

Now can anyone remind me of Juliettes role in the the alt universe. Or am i just being daft rmembering her there at some point?

#163. Posted by: Blix at May 19, 2010 2:23 PM

Here are some general questions about Smokey:
why/how did he/it show people, like Eko, flashes from their lives? What purpose would the MIB have for doing that?

And why did smokey look different to Locke when he first saw it (a bright beautiful light) vs later on (when smokey tried to drag locke underground)?

#164. Posted by: karen at May 19, 2010 2:24 PM

@163: Blix - Daft, si senor. No Juliette to date in Alt-verse, and how did you miss the entire set of scenes in the hospital where Charlie enlightens Desmond on the "leaky" visions from the "real"-verse, the ones we've been talking about for weeks?

Sorry, had to say it. Take heart, it was better than getting one of davidrh's AAAAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhs...

#165. Posted by: LostedIt at May 19, 2010 2:33 PM

When you die on the island, maybe you've been freed to live in the happier alt universe.

#166. Posted by: sandivon at May 19, 2010 2:35 PM

Not thrilled with Widmore being gunned down while hiding in a closet no less. After all that Ben vs. Linus intrigue involving assault teams, freighters and high tech anti-smokey equipment he is simply offed in a closet? What was his purpose? What did he want with the island? Why did Ben kick him off? Why does Flocke threaten to murder Penny? Do his powers extend off island. Is that the evil that will be unleashed if he gets off the island? Just wonder if 2 1/2 hours will be enough to close all these loose ends.

#167. Posted by: gables79 at May 19, 2010 2:42 PM

2 quickies...

1. Ben's doing whatever he has to to gain MIB's trust so he can kill him (as soon as they figure out how) in retaliation for Alex. After all, when Ilana told him, "I'll have you," I truly believe Ben turned a corner and he's back on Team Jacob, and...

B. Juliet is Jack's ex. I'm convinced of it. And Jack will know - when the lightning bolt hits - that he was responsible for her island death...even though he wasn't really responsible for her island death. And he'll truly be happy for her, and stop being weird for her, when she meets up with Sawyer and they go for coffee. Dutch.

And for an extra bonus...

I believe that John Locke let Des out of the well in a sort of post-life Look-at-me-Hey-I'm-walkin'-here pennance for what he's done and what he's become. If everybody else's ghost can meander around the island, why not Locke's? And then, somehow, FLocke will assume the identity of another. My guess? Kate. So they can make babies and live HEA.

#168. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 19, 2010 2:56 PM

@165 Lostedit
@163: Blix - Daft, si senor. No Juliette to date in Alt-verse, and how did you miss the entire set of scenes in the hospital where Charlie enlightens Desmond on the "leaky" visions from the "real"-verse, the ones we've been talking about for weeks?
THANK YOU! I knew I remembered him in the hospital but with a couple of people thinking he was dead I started to doubt myself and thought maybe I rememebered out of order. But you are right!
@130 BostonSteve
Also, what's the significance of MIB slashing Zoe's throat once Widmore told her not to talk to him? MIB said "when you told her not to talk to me she became pointless."
I took it to mean since he told her not to say anything that Flocke knew he would get no information out of her, therefore she was useless or "pointless".
@132 Quite Visible Jacob
What's up with all this jacob bashing on every write up?! If slept in the same room as your mom for 40 years and never lost your virginity, you'd be swarmy and irritating too! lol
AHAHAHAHAHA!! That really cracked me up!

#169. Posted by: Amyr at May 19, 2010 2:57 PM

WAIT hold on!
If Mother's arent really first choice for becoming the protectors of the island because they have other responsibilites then could that have somehow effected "fake" Mom when she adopted Jacob and MIB? Because Kate isnt a real mom she just adopted him cause clair wasnt around so what is the effect it would have on Fake Mom????

#170. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 3:05 PM

So many questions, so little time. I love to read the comments because it helps me catch stuff I missed or hadn't thought of.

Will the island explode, will Jack get his throat slashed by Flock? What will happen at the concert? Is there another power on the island we haven't met yet? If smokey get thrown in the river of light a second time will that cause the island to explode or will he revert back to being a man and be able to leave the island. It is only just.
There is mother nature and you don't fool with mother nature. She is the ultimate power on the island.

Whatever happens we have grown to love the "Losties" and we will miss them.

#171. Posted by: fred symmes at May 19, 2010 3:06 PM

Was anyone else just a little annoyed that the conversation with Jacob and Jack by the stream ended with Jacks realization that he had to kill smokie, but did not last long enough for clueless jack to ask Jacob just how to accomplish this task?

Or am really off base here.
I now really believe the Island must be an alternate world, because even the most clueless among us would think of followup questions. I ask my self... "In what world would not ask?" My answer is "In this alternate world"

#172. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 3:08 PM

they should make a sawyer/miles cop series on TV.. that would kick ass!!!
it would be on the caliber of Magnum p.i.

#173. Posted by: mapache at May 19, 2010 3:09 PM

@80 Reesespieces
"Also, I'm calling Bullet proof vest on Widmore. I don't think he's dead. "

I think you may be right. I don't see any obvious blood after beening shot 3 times.


@121 my post, but forgot how to type my name


@122 my post. RE Des's belt. Should have been 'I think that was a definite production boo boo' they never put you in holding with a weapon of any sort.


@132 Quite Visible Jacob ""If slept in the same room as your mom for 40 years and never lost your virginity, you'd be swarmy and irritating too! lol""

LOL

@121 August Paul ""He needed the backpack not just for the cup but also for the needle and thread to sew up Kate (nice reflection of pilot where Kate sewed up Jack.)""

Good point. I thought he was unraveling the thread from a pair of undies.
By the way 121 was a type of mine on my name.

@136 yaysayer = I presume you are typeing name impared as I am :-)


@142 Skulley ""Does anybody think she is pregnant??"" Refering to Kate.

Durn good point, I give it 5 of 5 stars.


@144 BostonSteve ""oh and is Miles STILL the only one who hasn't been talked to by MIB?""

I think it's only at that particular meeting. bib and mib had talked to fmother many times.


@158 BostonSteve ""With Widmore dead, Ben won't try to kill Penny. I think the whole point of killing his daughter was so he'd have to live with that pain.""

good point!


I'm up to 164. I better take a speed reading course!

#174. Posted by: mtncbn at May 19, 2010 3:13 PM

@90. Posted by: Stock
re: Since Jack is the new Jacob, the MiB can kill the rest, no?

The "rules" and how they work are very vague. From last weeks episode, it was the young MIB who left us the impression that rules can be changed, and he is hardly a person of authority on the matter. They might clarify this by the end - I guess we will see what rules Jack enforces. It would appear some rules carry over from guardian to guardian, though this may be due to the guardian choosing to preserve them. Nothing is etched in stone (thusfar).

@99. Posted by: undauntid
re: I don't care if Widmore had a visitaion by Jacob or not...he was on that island because he intended to exploit the island's mysterious properties.

LoL! I disagree. Even bad people are capable of doing good things, given the right circumstances. But you know my stance on this...

re: How will they get rid of Smokey?

It would be pretty funny if the solution is chucking his bones into the cave again. If I was island guardian, I would have resolved this so quickly. Then again, who knows what other trouble I would unleash through my constant chucking of things through the cave! But yeah - as I expressed last week - I think the bones have the potential to be significant. I'd love to have Miles make his way to the cave. I'll bet FMama has some last words of advice to pass on!

@133. Posted by: BEMH
@153. Posted by: Steve
re: Ben Linus - Ideal Candidate

Are you kidding me? Ben would be a horrible guardian, for various reasons.
Like Jacob, I'd be all "Ummmm - my people will, um, contact your people..." after the interview. Awkward!

I think the cardinal rule is that you never give power to those who thirst for it. Jack's character development has been very well executed. He was always a natural leader, but he has learned so much in the process. Ben has also developed considerably, but there is still a darkness within him that would be extremely dangerous.

@137. Posted by: August Paul
re: Alex was buried

Richard stated that he buried her. It does seem to be the spot where she died, which I find weird, considering the location. Who finds a body in an abandoned village, and buries it exactly where it was found? Not a biggie - just odd.


@140. Posted by: August Paul
@Mac
re: open a thread dealing with everybody's take on the show as a whole

I completely agree! I think this would be more accessible to people who are not partial to the facebook bandwagon. I'm guessing I'm in the very small minority here. I think it is great that people will have a means of connecting further after the show is done, but must admit I'm slightly resentful that the jump is already in progress whilst the show is not yet over. I hope I don't sound crabby in expressing this, as such is not my intent.

#175. Posted by: shikotee at May 19, 2010 3:15 PM

@165 Blix - Daft, si senor.

Thanks for the kid gloves. I'm new to all this "Lost" analysis but it is helping me get things in order. I thought I remember all the Charlie talking to Des stuff happened before the sinking car.

As for sideway Juliet, I guess I still had the TV on while "V" was playing.

#176. Posted by: Blix at May 19, 2010 3:17 PM

@168
That could be very true John Locke could of came back to life some how after Jack fixes the altlockes back. And that could ruin the whole MIB in John Lockes body because if you remember what happen to the rabbits in that Dahrma Video two objects cannot occupy the same space therefore if the REAL John Locke were to come back to life and he touched MIB who is in his form that could destroy him and maybe everything else lol

But if we want to take the logical route Bernard and Rose saved Desmond fro the well because if we obviously seen EVERYONE else too busy with there own problems and the only people who arent involved in ANYTHING are those two. They must wander the island all the time for food and supplies they could of easily stumbled upon him and took him out.
Also i cant remember when was the last time we seen them but i know that the writers wouldnt end their story with that unmemorable ending so theyll give us a good farewell for our old cute couple.

So YES! as uninteresting as it sounds I believe Rose and/or Bernard saved Desmond and are going to help him on his mission, whatever it is.

#177. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 3:18 PM

I think Claire saved Dez from the well.

#178. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 3:20 PM

@173 mapache
"they should make a sawyer/miles cop series on TV"

LOL, great idea! I don't even like cop shows but I'd totally watch that.

#179. Posted by: korper at May 19, 2010 3:28 PM

A bit of clarity about the Facebook group: that's just one outlet, albeit a good one since it has a lot of features that allow for passive but ongoing connections.

That said, the blog isn't going away. I may not post to it all that often, but the infrastructure will remain intact and I'm open to any and all ideas folks may have about perpetuating things. If people want to repurpose this spot to engage in ongoing conversations, then I can certainly make that happen. We did something similar with the hiatus threads.

#180. Posted by: mac at May 19, 2010 3:32 PM

@178
I dont know if Claire was the one that saved him cause if you think of it if she did, Locke would already know where he was. Claire is too weak to resist lockes control she would han him right over to Locke.
I think Rose and/or Bernard saved him. its the onl logical explaination going off of what we are shown so far. unless of course John Locke resurrected once again.

#181. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 3:46 PM

I have been reading this blog for years and have loved every minute of it, but I had to post for the first time just to thank Mac for this amazing place along with the hundreds of posters throughout the years. :)


One more thing- If Miles dies I riot.

#182. Posted by: Tim at May 19, 2010 3:51 PM

Staying in touch after the final episode is a good thing. Especially for those who made strong relationships on this forum. Be carefull not to over opinionate other possible endings, or beat dead dogs following the conclusion. I fear that they only outcome will be a cheapenning of the show itself however unintended that may be. I for one will not publically speculate on themes unanswered following The End. Greatest show ever, I want to remember it the way it was.

#183. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 4:00 PM

@181 EMAC -
You're probably right, although I would find it a bit odd for them to re-insert Rose and Bernard into the island story. It would seem out of the blue to me, although we have seen Bernard in alt-verse recently. And maybe it will be a matter of good old Vincent pulling a "Lassie" and finding stranded Dez then going to get Rose and Bernard.

Re: Claire, I woudln't completely write her off, though. She may have been sent by MiB to check if Dez was in fact dead and was convinced/converted in the same way Sayid was.

Either way, we'll find out on Sunday!

#184. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 4:09 PM

I like the parallel of Kate stitching up Jack on the pilot with the turnaround here with Jack stitching her up.
Both said the same line: "This is gonna hurt."

*****

Re: Kate's name being crossed off because she became a mother.
I guess Jacob's got a serious mom fixation.
Maybe that's why (Claire) Littleton was crossed off, and why the Kwon candidate was Jin and not Sun.

*****

Other best line nominee:
Ben: "He doesn't get to save his daughter"

*****

Regarding Desmond saying about Ana Lucia that "she's not ready"
Eloise had said the same thing to Des before Charlie forced their car off the pier.

*****

Not sure yet what to make of the interchange between Flocke and Ben. FLocke promised Ben he could have the island, but then after finding Desmond missing from the well, he told Ben he was going to destroy the island. Not sure how that will end or sit with Ben.


**** SPECULATION ALERT **** SPECULATION ALERT ****
I do have a suspicion that MiB will unleash Ben on the Losties. I speculate that he'll get Hurley back for that Hot Pocket of Doom incident, but I think Ben will exhibit better aim. (I hope that is NOT the case.)
**** END SPECULATION ALERT ****

#185. Posted by: Gumbo at May 19, 2010 4:19 PM

@172 - I don't think Jacob knows how to kill Smokey


You'd think all this time on the island, Rose and Bernard would encounter Smokey. BUT, they seem to be the only ones who don't lie, steal, manipulate, etc. so maybe they would be spared?


Also, earlier I stated that the near-death experiences leading to visions of the island only work in the altverse, but perhaps I'm wrong, since Juliet appears to have had a vision of the altverse in her death scene on island. So then I'm not sure why Kate (or anyone else) didn't have visions.

#186. Posted by: BostonSteve at May 19, 2010 4:20 PM

I think baby Kwon is actually the candidate.

#187. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 4:23 PM

When Jacob said that when the fire goes out they would not see him anymore, did he leave open the possibility that he would still be around, but they would just not be able to see him?

#188. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 4:24 PM

The closing of the show is perfect with episode 6x18 (which by the way doing the math is 108) I don't know if it was planned?

#189. Posted by: Salvador at May 19, 2010 4:26 PM

@186. Posted by: BostonSteve
"Juliet appears to have had a vision of the altverse in her death scene on island."

I will play Jacob's Advocate.

We do not actually know that it was vision of another timeline. We assumed this, but even Charlotte's mutterance were simply from her past on the same timeline. or were they? Miles did have correct himself when he asked Charlotte why she wanted to leave the island so soon after spending so much time trying to find it.

Juliette was broken and near death. Her perception of what worked and what did not may have been made under this stress, and she may not know what she was seeing.

Which brings us back to Miles, he may be able to hear the dead things, but does he see across timelines as well?
Remember the phrase "You can go now!" Miles says this to ghost in the old ladies house, and Christian says it to Micheal on the freighter.

Interesting.

#190. Posted by: Revelation at May 19, 2010 4:34 PM

I know there have been many ties to the works of Stephen King. Here is another one that is more of a plot device. King has had characters in his novels reappear only to serve as a means of delaying the bad guy long enough for the hero to escape.

A primary example of this is in The Shining. I forget the character's name, but, in the original film with Jack Nicholson, he was played by Scatman Crothers. I'll call him Summer Caretaker. He, like the boy Danny, has "the shine". And a mental call from Danny causes the Summer Caretaker to race back to the hotel where his appearance is just in time to distract Jack (interesting casting of Jack Nicholson to play Jack Torrance) from finding the boy and killing him. In fact, in the film, the Summer Caretaker dies for his troubles, but his arrival by Snow-Cat provides Danny and Wendy a vehicle for their ultimate escape.

This also happens in The Langoliers where Mr. Toomey? (Balky/Bronson Pinchot) is called back from near death to distract the Langoliers long enough for the pilot to get the plane off the ground.

Widmore appears to be a similar character. His reappearance provides MiB/Flocke with enough of a distraction to allow Jacob to have his tribal council with the remainder of the O-6 where his successor emerges.

Something else interesting to note with Widmore. He was the one to wire the plane with C-4 after all. He told Ben so as his being 3 steps ahead of him once again.

#191. Posted by: Gumbo at May 19, 2010 4:41 PM

@191 Gumbo

We may never find out, but why did Widmore have the plane wired with C4? Was that one of his plans for killing "I'm impervious to bullets" MiB? Seems more like it would have killed off all the candidates, but then he put them in the cage to "protect them" from a smoke monster that can easily go through bars...I still don't get Widmore. I hope we learn more.

#192. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 4:50 PM

Yeah that whol thing about MIB manipulating Ben and bending him to his will is completely off.
How could MIB offer the islan to Ben then tell him hes going to destroy it, like how stupid can you be to tell him that. If MIB destroys the island WHERE THE HELL IS BEN GOING TO GO!!!! Ben cannot be that stupid and even if he was a zombie, i mean come on its like MIB telling him to just kill himself! and not even Sayid would go as far as to kill himself, even when Sayid was a zombie MIB would still try to keep his offer known.
Something is seriously WRONG there. I doubt the writers would make such an obvious mistake so something has to piece that together or make some sense of it.

#193. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 4:53 PM

For Mac @145: I hear what you're saying but I don't need to be chided for getting too philosphical when you posed a very philosophical observation in the first place. I guess you've dibs on the philosophical obervations since it's your blog. Oh, and they may be *characters* but we're watching them and drawn in to their lives because the themes are universal. If this isn't a show crying out for philosophical observations - then I don't know of one.

#194. Posted by: BlackNyx at May 19, 2010 4:56 PM

@BlackNyx: Fair enough.

#195. Posted by: mac at May 19, 2010 5:03 PM

FYI: BlackNyx is in the black trunks and Mac is wearing tan . . .

#196. Posted by: davidrh at May 19, 2010 5:09 PM

Suspect Widmore not dead and working with Ben... and here is why... remember Ben insisted on Widmore handing over the walkie talkies right before Flocke came into the closet. Ben probably has one walkie talkie in his pocket and he left the other for Widmore so he could listen in on the discussions with Flocke. The walkie talkies must be significant.

#197. Posted by: Stuckinphila at May 19, 2010 5:10 PM

Miles has the other walkie talkie, ben gave it to him before he left. Widmore didnt have a chance. it was his destiny to die.

#198. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 5:13 PM

But i agree the walkie talkies are very significant. Ben does EVERYTHING for a reason and Im almost positive he has a plan and knows EXACTLY what he is doing.
Jacob said it himself, he could never kill MIB. Ben is perfect for the job. My guess is Jack and Desmond are destined to do something with the Light in the heart of the island possibly actually go down into the well themselves and fix something and Ben is destined to kill MIB.

#199. Posted by: EMAC at May 19, 2010 5:16 PM

Ben could very well turn out to be very Gollum-like...seemingly a he's-no-good-so-let's-kill-him character, but as Gandalf says, Who knows what part he may play..."

But I think Ben will sacrifice himself...for the island...a hero's death.

But the story of the island will go on. I picture Jack and Locke playing backgammon on the beach as a futuristic flying contraption appears just over the horizon and heads for the island.

And Jack says, Double or nothin'?"

#200. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 19, 2010 5:31 PM

Anyone remember the translation of Jack's tattoos? Just to refresh your memories: "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us".

Need I say more?

#201. Posted by: grannyvi at May 19, 2010 5:32 PM

Anyone saying that Widmore didn't die because Ben couldn't and that Ben only shot him to save him is wrong. I would agree if there were 20 episodes left but trying to explain this in the last 2:30 is not going to happen. He's dead. Get over it.

#202. Posted by: ALEX_ANGEL at May 19, 2010 5:51 PM

I'm sure Ben is going to be involved in killing Smokey. He has nothing to gain by helping him getting off or destroying the island. His short term survival depends on him being useful to Smokey. Ben has got his revenge by killing those he feels are responsible for the death of Alex (Keamy, Widmore, Jacob) Smokey is all there is left.

#203. Posted by: IllanaIShot at May 19, 2010 5:56 PM

My observations...

Jacob is sexist. At one point Jack was helping raise little Aaron but you didn't see his name get crossed off the wall did you! I know Jack and Kate had some relationship troubles, but still! Evidently Jacob assumes that moms would rather take care of their kids, where as dads would rather become island guardians.

It seems like the ferquency of clumsy revelations has increased. Of course there's pressure to provide as many answers as possible before the series comes to an end. E.g., Hurley explains to us that the whispers are ghosts. What didn't sit quite right with me on last nights episode was Flocke's revelation to Ben that in addition to leaving the island he now wants to use Desmond to destroy the island. Why would Flocke tell anyone his plans, especially if it would be a detractor to someone he wants help from. Flocke offered the island to Ben in exchange for his killing services. This doesn't work out very well for Ben if there is no island left for him to rule! Thus, there is no longer any incentive for Ben to help Flocke, other than to stay alive. Also, Flocke has had a goal for approximately 2,000 years, which has been to leave the island. Why does he want to add on destroying the island all of a sudden? It felt to me like the writers wanted to create some additional immenent danger for the finale and used an unlikely conversation to convey it to the audience. Don't get me wrong. I still love the show, that conversation just didn't feel right.

While I know Ben looks like he reverted to his old murderous bastard self, I'm not sure it's that simple. He gave up Widmore, who he hates, and as a result he gained Flocke's confidence. Flocke may now be assuming that he's dealing with evil Ben, when in fact it is really good Ben in disguise. We have seen that the act of murder is often a practical necessity for those trying to protect the island. Other factors that would suggest Ben has something up his sleve: 1) Ben had Miles take a walkie-talkie so that Ben can contact Miles if he needs help; 2) Ben shot Widmore before he could fully explain things to Flocke; and 3)Ben was very inquisitive as to what Flocke had been told by Widmore. Given a 2.5 hour episode coming up, that's plenty of time for Ben to change sides once again.

Possibly Ben's Gollum like obsession with the island could result in him taking a little boat ride down the tunnel of light and becoming the next Smokie?

Can's wait to see what Desmond, Eleanor Hawking and Danial Faraday are cooking up in the alt verse and whether it results in some sort of merge of the two universes.

Great blog for a great show. Can't wait until Sunday!

#204. Posted by: Mike at May 19, 2010 6:04 PM

I have been saying all season that the last scene will be Jack and Flocke sitting on the beach, watching the sunset as Jack hands him a bottle of wine. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship. Also, the previous episode followed the story of Jacob and Esau very closely, and the preview implied it's all going to come down to the balance of good and evil.

#205. Posted by: Paul Gant at May 19, 2010 6:16 PM

#60 If Sayid let Des out of the well then he would not have said to Jack "I left him in a well go get him".

#106 interesting...Jack the one who protects the island and Claire the one who becomes the monster. Like it...

#109 Yes the commericial said there would be alternate ending on the Jimmy Kimmel show after the finale.

#113 yes Des is hotter in the alt. We love bad boys.

#131 very good point. He broke the rules so he could break the rules. ah

#206. Posted by: christina at May 19, 2010 6:20 PM

It's good to see everyone pumped up again! This episode definitely gave me the feel of "old school" Lost, and renewed my expectations for a big ending. I don't think we'll be let down.

Best Line: "So, you mentioned some more people you wanted me to kill?"

What about Aaron? Surely he's got to play some significant role in all this?

#207. Posted by: The Duf at May 19, 2010 6:33 PM

You know, I think that Jacob was an only child and the island created the MIB in his mother's womb while she was pregnant. Hence, she did not have a name picked out for a second child since he was not there to start with. Makes me think that the island is evil and the light is good. MIB sent toward the light leaves a dead body but keeps/splits off the evil in the form of the smoke monster.

#208. Posted by: japfooser50 at May 19, 2010 6:35 PM

Why didn't Sun's name get crossed off if Kate's did? Sun was a mum. That didn't make sense to me.

#209. Posted by: ALEX_ANGEL at May 19, 2010 6:39 PM

I hate to disagree with Flocke, but Zoe became pointless long before Widmore told her to stop talking.

I'm with Paul C, I think Claire saved Des.


*********(kinda) SPOILERS*********

Yes, there will be alternate endings on JKL. However these were filmed for JKL, and should be taken in that spirit.

#210. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 19, 2010 7:05 PM

@209 Alex Angel

Sun's name didn't come off because she wasn't the Kwon candidate. Some speculate it was Jin because of this, but I think their daughter is the candidate and she will play some role in the finale.

#211. Posted by: Paul_C at May 19, 2010 7:17 PM

what a fantastic episode,
and GRAA mac,
only two things spoiled this epi for me,
1-10 minutes in, my mother phones me,
2-23 minutes in, my son phones me,
I TELL THESE PEOPLE WHEN IM WATCHING LOST,
i can either have a davidrh outburst on the phone ( aaauuuggghhh!) to tell them i need my time for my tv show or i can unplug & switch off every damn phone in the house.

#212. Posted by: san at May 19, 2010 7:30 PM

Floke wants desmond because of his unique response to electromagnetism. He will use Desmond as a compass to find the heart of the island and then put out the light. Or try to at least, that was my take on it anyway

#213. Posted by: Monkphish at May 19, 2010 8:19 PM

Ok -- a few random thoughts:

1. Could the smoke monster actually be the fake mom of Jacob and the MIB? It seems to me, that being the ever-protective mother who does not want her son to leave the island, she leers and lunges out of the jungle, usually when MIB is nearby. That's why it's easy to confuse him with her. She attacks when she feels her boy may be threatened, and decimates anyone who may lie in his path. The fear she invokes in others makes them more reluctant to allow him to or facilitate his leaving the island, and thus, he remains there -- trapped in whatever shell is available.

2. If she's the smoke monster, then Jacob's guilt that he feels for seemingly turning his brother into the smoke monster is un-warranted. All he did was kill his brother's body, not turn him into the evil spirit he seems to have become.

3. If the MIB isn't the smoke monster, he's still undeniably a badass. Perhaps this change in personality stems solely from the fact that he was: a) lied to by his fake mother; b) favoured by his fake mother throughout his childhood, and then easily forgotten (or so he thought) when he left to live with his people; c) frustrated beyond belief after being told about all the things that he could never do (ie: you won't kill your brother, you won't leave the island, you won't know your real mother, etc.). All that denial and falsehood is bound to bring a person down, and indeed, bring out the worst in someone -- especially if he feels trapped.

It seems to me that in analyzing some elements of the show, which I happen to love btw, we have over analyzed several things. I feel like the writers were pointing that out to us last night when Kate asked why her name was crossed out and the answer was simply: "You've become a mother. The job is still yours if you want it." Point being -- there isn't always a mystical, complicated meaning behind things. Thus, smoke monster = mama; guilt = un-warranted; MIB = mad because he feels trapped.

Any ideas?

#214. Posted by: Andrea at May 19, 2010 8:59 PM

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get as far away from that damn secret closet of death as possible.

#215. Posted by: Darn tootin' at May 19, 2010 9:52 PM

The "fireside chat" (as someone referred to it) left me with a bad taste. When Jacob said that they "always had a choice" I actually yelled "bulls*%t" at the tv. Our characters never had a choice; they were chosen by someone else long before they knew what was going on and drawn to the island. NOW they have a choice. One of you can choose to be the protector or you all die? I find it hard to believe that they would let a comment like that go.

Also Jack as protector doesn't feel right. I think he is a stopgap measure until the true protector (whoever that is) can be put in place safely.

#216. Posted by: Lumped at May 19, 2010 9:58 PM

Funny scene............. Hurley says to Jack, Kate, and Sawyer that Jacob was standing by the fire. (one can't be sure who can see who what when or where) The *actors* looked like they were ready to crack up but I believe the *characters* were in deep philosophical mode.

#217. Posted by: lostsox at May 19, 2010 10:04 PM

#125. Posted by: vintage: "So mother's can not be candidates..."

___ No. No one said mothers cannot be candidates. Jacob said Kate's name was crossed off because she became a mother. I take that to mean that however compelling Jacob found Kate's character as a candidate, Jacob felt her adoption of Aaron took precedence. But Jacob also said, if Kate wanted the job she could have it.

#218. Posted by: undauntid at May 19, 2010 10:29 PM

Am I remembering this correctly: Jacob told the final four that if Smokey gets off the island, "Everyone you know and love will die" or perish or you will lose the or some doomish thing. The important point of his statement was "everyone you know and love". He didn't say every human being on earth will perish.

Is there significance to the that distinction? I dunno.

#219. Posted by: undauntid at May 19, 2010 10:47 PM

Didn't anyone notice that the well they looked into for Desmond with the rope hanging down into it looked much deeper than the scene we saw with Sayid holding a gun to Des sitting at the bottom. Also when Des was in it, it didn't seem to have much water in it, but last night's well a fair amount of water at the bottom.

I vote on Jacob freeing Desmond from the well. He could have done it prior to shaking down Hurley for his ashes.

I can't remember who posted the ending speculation (219 posts, for pete's sake), but I agree with the scenerio that Desmond will carry/drag/bring Flocke into the light-cave (Desmond being immune himself to electro-magnetism) thus destroying MIB/smoke monster but he himself will not be changed, but that reaction will ultimately destroy the island/bury it beneath the ocean -- with all our main characters on it -- giving us the very sad ending all the actors are referring to in interviews lately. (Found it #127-vintage)

Also, I agree with most that Juliette must be David's mom. Would make for an interesting reunion.

#220. Posted by: bridge at May 19, 2010 11:02 PM

after 220 posts don't really have much to add that hasn't already been said...but, when Jacob said "when the fire goes out I will be gone and one of you will have to protect the island" (or words to that effect) did anyone else think that maybe one of them should go gather up some logs to keep the fire going?? ;P

#221. Posted by: surefoot at May 19, 2010 11:23 PM

@221 - sure, we could throw on logs on the fire to keep the fire going, but I think Jacob is animated by the burning of his ashes - once his ashes are burned up, he's gone, up in the air wherever smoke goes.

#222. Posted by: benIsGlory at May 19, 2010 11:41 PM

I just remembered after reviewing episodes Sawyer is a parent too. Sawyer has a daughter off island and Jacob didnt mention that to Sawyer??? maybe he is sexist

#223. Posted by: EMAC at May 20, 2010 12:28 AM

Of course he's sexist!! He was born dozens of centuries ago! :-)

#224. Posted by: bridge at May 20, 2010 12:47 AM

Sawyer isn't my primary caregiver - in fact, I don't believe he's ever seen me in person. But I did appreciate the money he left in my bank account.
Thanks, Dad.

#225. Posted by: Clementine at May 20, 2010 1:02 AM

#212. san
I hope for the finale you unplug your phone!

#226. Posted by: sweetpea at May 20, 2010 2:31 AM

#210. FenwayBen
Oh this sucks...so these alt endings are not '''actuall''' alt endings...just spoofs? man that sucks

#227. Posted by: sweetpea at May 20, 2010 2:33 AM

Wow, what an amazing episode!!!

@Mac, I just wanna say thank you so much for this blog...you and the people that you have brought together here have made this show so much more exciting for me. You do such a great job of scrutinizing this amazing show in such few but concise paragraphs!
However, as much as I understand why you have resorted to the shorter version for the last few seasons, I really miss your long recaps of the early seasons...any chance we could get one more next week for the FINAL episode??? I know its asking too much but just thought I'd try my luck. However short it might be its definitely gonna be GRAA Mac!

And to the rest of the gang, thanks for your insights which have helped me understand this show so much better...I love all the rantings, the praises, the jokes...its been one hell of a great ride with you guys even though I haven't been a very active participant the last few seasons. I'll really miss all your comments.

Now, back to reading the posts from #23.

#228. Posted by: kataPlusSun=Fun at May 20, 2010 3:05 AM

how did jack get his backpack back from flock? and how did it contain his original supplies? actually, flock is still carrying jack's pack around - he had it when he was in newotherton. production error?

#229. Posted by: skipper at May 20, 2010 7:01 AM

#230.

Whoops!


Good eye.

#230. Posted by: davidrh at May 20, 2010 7:22 AM

@230. Posted by: skipper

The other thing to consider is whether Flocke actually switched backpacks, or just slipped the explosives into Jack's backpack. I can't recall what it was that made us think it was a switcharoo instead of a stuff job - can anyone?

In fact, I'd be more inclined to believe a stuff job, due to the fact that Flocke's backpack does not really exist, but is a manifestation of smokey (like his clothing)....

#231. Posted by: shikotee at May 20, 2010 8:02 AM

Click my name for Lost Webcomics.

"Now You're like Me"

#232. Posted by: shikotee at May 20, 2010 8:15 AM

How to choose the guardian....

#233. Posted by: shikotee at May 20, 2010 8:16 AM

Looks like @71 Kathy was not the only one to pick up on this....

#234. Posted by: shikotee at May 20, 2010 8:19 AM

Things from the sub....

#235. Posted by: shikotee at May 20, 2010 8:20 AM

@221 & 222 What Jacob said at the fire was
"When it burns out, you�ll never see me again. "
IMO, this does not mean that he will be "gone", simply that they will not "see" him again.

#236. Posted by: Revelation at May 20, 2010 8:45 AM

re: Jack's son's mother -- couldn't be Sara -- she WAS pregnant, but didn't she have a little blonde girl? Jack was watching her in a playground at one point; the girl hurt herself, Jack helped her, Sara was really angry at Jack for 'hanging around'.
Not sure if this was in an episode or a mobisode.

#237. Posted by: ebk at May 20, 2010 8:52 AM

LOST bleeds over into political cartoonery.

[Click my name below to see.]

#238. Posted by: Cecil at May 20, 2010 9:29 AM

@ 229 and 231 - In The Candidate, there is a really subtle scene were FLocke switches bags with Jack.. But this is a good point, this must be a production error..

#239. Posted by: vintage at May 20, 2010 10:36 AM

@231

It was a switcheroo. You see Locke and Jack huddling and spying and then Locke says let's go and you see him switch the backpacks. It was pretty evident. What also bothered me is that his backpack was in the sub, but then he had it on to grab his cup for Jacob. A little bad editing. Seems the director is getting sloppy this season.

#240. Posted by: ALEX_ANGEL at May 20, 2010 10:36 AM

Not that this matters in the grand scheme, but did Jack really go back and get that backpack after the explosion in the sub? He took the bomb out of the bag, right? Anyone remember if he had it on when he was scrambling out with unconscious Sawyer?

#241. Posted by: mac at May 20, 2010 10:56 AM

When Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley wash ashore, Jack is not wearing a back pack. That does not mean one did not float ashore from the sub.

#242. Posted by: welh at May 20, 2010 11:22 AM

Anyone else notice how Desmond is 'touching' everyone like Jacob did?

#243. Posted by: opserc at May 20, 2010 12:05 PM

@243. Posted by: opserc

Not everyone... He never actually touched Locke.

#244. Posted by: Revelation at May 20, 2010 12:10 PM

@243, opserc:

Yes, I did notice that. Instead of a plane crash, the sideways world is hit with an earthquake and the concert hall traps the characters:

Desmond = new Jacob
David = new Walt
Jack = new Michael . . . "Daaaaaaaaviddd!!!"

Horrible ending.

#245. Posted by: welh at May 20, 2010 12:18 PM

@219 undauntid
*everyone you know and love will die*
I had the feeling it might just be the Losties being referred to, Jacob pointed out they were leading lonely pathetic lives (not his exact words), so maybe only they will die...

Also, just read in my local newspaper that there are alot of viruses/Malware out there duping LOST fans with teasers about whats going to happen in the finale, I'm sure most of us are patient people waiting for the big finale but
do be careful.

#246. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 20, 2010 12:18 PM

Not everyone... He never actually touched Locke.

#244. Posted by: Revelation


Well his car "touched" him--does that count?

#247. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 20, 2010 1:09 PM

If you haven't already read Jeff Jensen's recap of "What They Died For" then it's a must see.

Click my name below to go there.

And if you don't have time to read twelve pages of recap, then just skip to the end for the 'Totally Lost" video. If you thought Mark Pelligrino and Titus Weliver were funny in the "Connect Four Million" commercial, you haven't seen anything yet. They just hit it out of the park in the video, especially the first and last segments that are pitched as a problem employee counseling session.

#248. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 20, 2010 1:11 PM

@212. Posted by: san - Now that our beloved show is almost at an end, we must come up with new questions.
#1 - Why does san answer the phone whenever it rings? What easier way is there to say, "Sorry, I'm busy now" than to not answer it? What happens to the phone when you're not home or in the bathroom?

#2 - What does davidrh scream when he's not online?

@welh - I just skimmed some of your blog and saw your question about Hurley's name. He told everyone that's his nickname and that he didn't want to explain why. It was early, probably in the pilot.

#249. Posted by: hurling at May 20, 2010 1:13 PM

Anyone think the Suns should sign Smokey to a ten-day contract for the playoffs. It looks like they really need an inside force that can throw some people around.

#250. Posted by: Gumbo at May 20, 2010 1:14 PM

Ransomjackson's LAST Wild Ass Guess of the Week!

**** BY NO MEANS A SPOILER A SPOILER BY NO MEANS ****

I believe that Jacks's bleeding neck cut/scratch is caused by Juliet's bullet from the outrigger shootout causing him to die in AltWorld.

If they start getting in outriggers heading to the other island...look out, Baby. Look out.

********* END OF RJ's LWAGotW***********

#251. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 20, 2010 1:47 PM

@251. Posted by: ransomjackson

The juliette shoots jack scenario fits very well into the mirror themes of LOST

#252. Posted by: Revelation at May 20, 2010 1:52 PM

@249. Posted by: hurling
Hugo's nickname

Thanks for the pilot episode reference. I looked up the transcript and found:

JACK: Just hand me the strips, I need to get this bleeding stopped.
HURLEY: I don't think I can.
JACK: Oh.
HURLEY: "Oh" what? What, what's going on, something in there? [Hurley looks down]
JACK: The strips. Just hand me the strips. Give it to me. [Hurley looks sick.] Don't even think about it, Hurley. Don't even think a � Hurley! Hey! [Hurley passes out on the Marshal] Damn it!

>>>> The first mention of "Hurley" is from Jack, because Hugo looked sick and was about to "hurl." Jack gave Hugo his nickname.

#253. Posted by: welh at May 20, 2010 2:08 PM

"248 Cecil

Thanks for the tip re: Jensen's write-up and the videos. The write-up was an intersting (but long) take on the last episode and the videos were just hilarious. I could have watch a dozen more. Thanks again.

#254. Posted by: Paul_C at May 20, 2010 2:22 PM

@253 - Welh

Hurley introduced to himself to Sayid as Hurley, after Sayid fights with sawyer who accused Sayid of being a terrorist that crashed the plane. This happenned before jack tries to pull the shrapnel from the officers chest.

#255. Posted by: Revelation at May 20, 2010 2:28 PM

@255 I will check that out.
I don't recall Hugo telling Jack his name was Hurley.

#256. Posted by: welh at May 20, 2010 2:59 PM

@256. Posted by: welh

He told Sayid when he introduced himself. Look up the scene following Jack/Kate breaking up the fight on the beach between Sawyer/Sayid. Pretty sure that was before Hurleys passes out from the blood.

At some later on Hurley is asked why he is called Hurley, and says something to the effect that jhe was given that nickname and it stuck. He also said that he did not want to talk about it. I will try to find that scene as well

#257. Posted by: Revelation at May 20, 2010 3:08 PM

QUESTION
I remember Jacob saying "that is what they died for" but now I cannot recall what is was. So WHAT DID THEY DIE FOR?

#258. Posted by: christina at May 20, 2010 3:12 PM

I found it - In Raised By Another - hurley tells Jack his real name.

HURLEY: Look, we don't know who's living here and who's still at the beach. I mean, we don't even know each other. My name isn't Hurley, it's Hugo Reyes. Hurley's just a nickname I have, alright? Why? I'm not telling. The point is, we've got to find out who everyone is.

JACK: You want to start a census.

#259. Posted by: Revelation at May 20, 2010 3:13 PM

@258. Posted by: christina

He never said why they died, only that he was sorry. Before he could continue, Kate interrupted him with a question.

I remember thinking to myself, they don't ask questions when they should, and they ask questions when they should be listening.
I work with people just like this...Hmm...

#260. Posted by: revelation at May 20, 2010 3:16 PM

#240 Maybe the directors WANTED us to see the switcheroo and be like OMG!

#260 Rev, thanks...
you must work with the ''others''

#261. Posted by: christina at May 20, 2010 3:28 PM

Kind of funny the episode was called What they died for but they didn't actually answer that question! I love Lost!

#262. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 20, 2010 3:28 PM

We should watch that part again (Jacob talking to the canidates as he burns his ashes) to make sure we aren't missing some thing.

#263. Posted by: christina at May 20, 2010 3:34 PM

#248. Cecil Rose recommended the Totally Lost video...Thank you Cecil! "Julian" made me laugh out loud!

I've never followed a show so closely before, so I may be wrong about this, but...It seems it is probably a rare thing to see a program in its original run during which it's stars and producers actively parody themselves in other media.

If I could have any LOST keepsake I wanted, I think I'd go for puppet Dr. Pierre Chang.

If I could have a living momento...Josh Holloway.

#264. Posted by: undauntid at May 20, 2010 3:41 PM

@264. Undaunted, I will let you have Josh because I want Mac!

#265. Posted by: hurling at May 20, 2010 3:58 PM

#244. Posted by: Revelation (re Jacob)
Not everyone... He never actually touched Locke.

#247. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes. Well his car "touched" him--does that count?
-------
Locke plummented from the tall building. Jacob sat nearby. The crowd screamed. Jacob walked to Locke, took a knee, and touched Locke on the shoulder. Locke started sucking air again, and got his motivational speech from Coach Jacob... aka BIG MISTAKE!

?speech: "Hello son. My name is Jacob Farley. After three unsuccessful marriages, I find myself... livin' in a statue... down by the ocean!"

#266. Posted by: MorBid0 at May 20, 2010 4:32 PM

@251 and 252:

Jack's neck was grazed by a bullet during the shootout in Dharmaville in which Sayid was mortally wounded.

BTW they BETTER tell us who Juliet shot in the outrigger!!

#267. Posted by: glostover at May 20, 2010 4:35 PM

@266. Posted by: MorBid0

We were talking about Desmond in the alt world not Jacob.

#268. Posted by: revelation at May 20, 2010 4:40 PM

My comments:

1) Last week's episode was a terrible mistake and the worst space of a filler. Skipping it would make for a better transition. Jacob referring to his "mistake" would have been much more interesting/mysterious if I knew it wasn't that lame fight scene and floating down the river.

2) I thought they handled Ben very well bringing up his daughter's grave and then the very enemy that caused her death.

3) No one's mourning the passage of Richard? All those years on the island and he never got any closure or meaning? Very tragic. Of course there's no body so he could be alive... we've seen worse injuries crawl up and come back.

4) Speaking of bodies, where's our pilot? I guess he is really out of action.

5) Keeping my fingers crossed over the ending next week... I hope they don't frack it up across the sea CJ Craig con Battlestar Galactica w/ a dash of Seinfeld style...

#269. Posted by: DFTR at May 20, 2010 5:10 PM

23. Posted by: Erapp at May 19, 2010 1:39 AM

And also, I think the greatest ending to Lost would be Jack jumping in the secret fountain-light-thing and have an ultimate 'Smokey' showdown.

EB
I agree maybe this is why jack took it so quickly, I don't think jack is going to live, maybe a good smokey and a bad smokey will cancel each other out leaving Des or Hurley to be the Island protector.

also #36. Posted by: DebE at May 19, 2010 5:26 AM
One thing I am still having trouble with is that both Jacob and MIB were manipulated by their mother to keep them on the island. The MIB just wanted off. He wanted to go see where he came from, he wanted to be free of the island, he wanted to have a life, but his mom and Jacob plotted to keep him a prisoner. So he's been imprisoned there for centuries, watching boats come in, seeing families evolve and all the while Jacob has kept him trapped. After leaving to be with the nice little village of shipwreck survivors, he has the altercation with his mother and wakes up to find all of his people dead. His actions are all the result of Jacob's and his mother's behavior so I"m not sure he's the "bad" guy here. After centuries of being held there, I'd start killing people too!

EB
MIB was the chosen one, and really got a raw deal! Jacob was such a coward through out his child hood, it really puts a damper on good vs evil. Seems to me MIB was just trying to live with out the control of his murdering mom.

Last have any of you seen the band Previously on Lost? http://goo.gl/z77M these guys recap each show through there music. Some of the cast even were at there last show. Listening to them maybe a way to reminisce after next week.

EB

#36. Posted by: DebE at May 19, 2010 5:26 AM

#270. Posted by: Echo at May 20, 2010 5:37 PM

I've read the first 200 posts, can't keep up.

Awesome episode, best of the season for me, watched it 3 times :)

I can't imagine Lapidus showing up. Even Jack wouldn't have made it to the surface without some extra air. Also, the plane is not going anywhere anyway. Flocke doesn't need it, he needs to get back to the light. And what are the Lostees going to do? Stripsearch the plane for the c4, then somehow move the plane into a position that allows for a clear runway, etc. I like how he died. Oh shit. Bam! The character didn't need another payoff or prolongued death scene. Frank was cool, funny and had relevance to the story. He flew to the Island by chopper and jetplane!

Jin still being alive, I won't even go into that. That would be so lame.

Richard is a different story, for me. I do want one more payoff for his character, especialy after this. Killing Ben, f.i. I loved his character and ate up the few scenes he had in previous seasons. If Smokey is going to kill him, I want it to be more spectactular than that one push, brutal as it was. I want Mr Eko times three, at least :)

Ben back in the groove. I love how they use lighting and color to make Ben look even more creepy sometimes. Like with Jack at the mortuary, or after strangling Locke. He stole this episode, I thought, even though everybody was excellent. Well, since he had a lot of screen time, he wasn't stealing it, I guess :)

Looking back, I must say that TPTB and Matthew Fox have done an excellent job on Jack's character development. I grew to like him, only this season. Never thought I would root for the guy. when Jacob asked him if he was asking a question, when he said that he was meant to be the new protector, and he answered no, I believed him and connected with him. In a totally non-erotic way, ofcourse...

Still don't care about Kate, but she has become a lot less annoying lately. She definitely deserves a dramatic death scene. Dude.

Still can't make up my mind about the ALT. The payoff of that storyline will determine if like it overall or not. I enjoyed a good part of it anyway, seeing the same familiar characters, but in very different circumstances. But in the end, it's all about plot relevance to me. It's the final season. So much to tell. If you ask me to invest in a completely new, seperate, mysterious storyline, make it a huge part of the show and not explain it to me untill the very end, you had better make the reveal worth it. I'm just saying.

So what is going to happen at the benefit concert? I'm guessing Eloise is involved, working with Desmond, Daniel and perhaps Charles. Will Jacob be at the concert?

#271. Posted by: Mischa at May 20, 2010 5:43 PM

Btw, Jacob did answer the question what they died for. They died so he would end up with the best candidate to take his place and correct his mistake of creating the monster. He's not apologizing for his actions. But he only chose them because they were flawed, lonely and in search of meaning, like he is. Also, he didn't kill or hurt them. He didn't help them though, and he did place them in harm's way.

So the answer is simple. They died as pawns in an effort to slay the king.

#272. Posted by: Mischa at May 20, 2010 6:06 PM

Another thought about that concert: the location is a museum. Museum, n: a building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value.

Perhaps Dr Chang will give a presentation of some sort. Perhaps the subject will be about...hmmmm....the Island???

#273. Posted by: lovelost at May 20, 2010 6:08 PM

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#274. Posted by: Mischa at May 20, 2010 6:11 PM

Mischa I agree with you about Ben being back in the groove. I actually felt the alt-spark between Ben and Rousseau more so than with Jin and Sun in either timeline. When Richard got wisked away by Smokey and Ben just turned right around and headed back to the porch it really made me smile. I almost thought he was going back to the secret room.

I also wanted to mention that Sawyer actually looked physically sick about having the death of all of his friends on his hands. Great acting all around. Even Kate was bearable.

Can't wait for Sunday night, but I don't want it to end.

#275. Posted by: DEZOMBIFICATION at May 20, 2010 7:51 PM

Holy Hot Pocket, Hurley! I go away for 36 hours and I'm 200 posts behind...

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

#276. Posted by: lost2theworld at May 20, 2010 7:53 PM

I just left the local broadcast of the New York Times Talk Lost event, and I cannot wait until Sunday. Lots of non answers, but a few spoilers and even a sneak peek. I have a feeling only the most jaded viewers will be disappointed.

#277. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 20, 2010 10:02 PM

The photo on Jack's desk was a photo of Jack, Jack's dad and Jack's son. It can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/388e7q6

#278. Posted by: Not Zero at May 20, 2010 11:22 PM

Fenway Ben,

How well attended was it? Here in Raleigh, we were two of about twenty fans in one of the two theaters in the area shoing the Times Talk.

We got to the theater about 90 minutes early and they told us it was opena ns we could go in. As I was standing in the hall while Carol went tot he restroom, I heard some familiar voices coming from the auditorium and went in. The video was up and D&C, Jorge, and the interviewer were sitting on the stage making sound checks and small talk. Jorge counted to ten, then Damon did his in French, then Carleton in Spanish. The interviewer went back to English for his. I was hoping we'd get 90 minutes of backstage conversation, but they cut to movie star interviiews fro most of the pre-show time.

#279. Posted by: Cecil at May 21, 2010 1:15 AM

It just dawned on me that there is some thing with Ben that we are not seeing here.....
okay for one, he killed Locke and brought the body back for smokey.
and for two, he killed Ben which aided smokey.
last night he reminds us that he was "able" to SUMMON (call for) smokey any time he wanted. And then added he figured out that smokey was actually calling him.
This whole time we have thought he was an other, the leader of the others, but now we know his body was healed by the pond water so he was "claimed".
I am not sure what I am trying to say here but in some way I see some thing I just cannot quite put my finger on it. But why has he been seeming to help smokey all this time.....
oh what is it, it's on the tip of my brain.
Ceil, Revelation, shikotee HELP

#280. Posted by: Christina at May 21, 2010 1:57 AM

is everyone in bed? where are you all?

#281. Posted by: smokey will get you at May 21, 2010 2:16 AM

#79 said "I think the last scene will be Jack and Flocke sitting on the beach, with Flocke saying to Jack "Do you know how badly I want to kill you?"

Agreed, except Smokey will be in the form of Ben.

#282. Posted by: bearandbu at May 21, 2010 7:46 AM

Cecil, I'd say we had about a hundred people at ours. I only got there twenty minutes early, so they were already on Charlize Theron when I took my seat.

We also had two theaters in the area, Friendship Heights in NW DC/Chevy Chase, and Ballston in Arlington. But there were maybe 8 theaters showing it within a 45 mile radius.

Without giving away spoilers, one of the things I enjoyed most was the explanation of how planned out the show was.

First Carlton explained that with a TV show, unlike a book series, the writers do not have total control. They collaborate with 425 other people, and sometimes real world events get in the way. But, they had the final scenes figured out very early on in season one (and claim that the finished version is basically unaltered since then). They created the Island mythology between seasons 1 and 2. Every summer they held a month long writers camp where they would flesh out the major plot points and themes of the season. Then each episode would be written, starting with where the show needed to end up by the end of it.

So there was an overarching architecture in place from the start, but the details were filled in little by little. And Hurley's Dharma food stash in the jungle was a response to viewer complaints that he wasn't loosing any weight, which Damon found odd because the equally inexplicable good hygiene of Kate, Shannon, sun, etc. was never really questioned by fans.

#283. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 21, 2010 8:08 AM

Josh Holloway as on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night, AND he brought a clip from the finale. Plus a very entertaining skit with Mark Pelligrino/Jacob visiting Jimmy in high school band and bestowing a "touch" and a guitar case full of a high schooler's dreams.

D&C are going to be on tonight, and take note that it's shifted a bit from its regular hours. It might be different where you are so I'd say look it up in local listings.

#284. Posted by: Cecil at May 21, 2010 8:55 AM

First time poster long time lost fan.
What about the outrigger shoot out?
What about "Wallace" who was on the lighthouse dial? Who is that? Jacob said they would find their way to the island even though Jack smashed the light.
I know Jack is the obvious choice to suceed Jacob but the creators never give us anything straightforward. They have something up their sleeve that will blow us all away.
Ben will do something good, I'm
sure about this. He is playing Flocke like a puppeteer he has always been. And Widmore is not dead, trust me.
Can't call Jacks ex wife...
Bring it on...

#285. Posted by: Dave at May 21, 2010 9:06 AM

@280. Posted by: Christina
I don't know for certain that Ben fully understands the nature of Smokie. I know we certainly have not had his nature fully explained. I got a hint of this when he calls the monster out to destroy Keemy and his men. Ben calls the monster, but then waits for the carnage to begin and quickly sends our happy troop in the other direction. Ben was afraid that the smoke would come after them.
Ben kills Locke because Ben wants to keep his power. He takes Locke�s body back for one of two reasons: Either Eloise tells him to, or it was a trophy offering to the island to prove that he was still in charge. On a side note, Smokie knew what Locke�s final off-island thoughts were� Curious
Another noteworthy problem for Ben is that it appears as if he thinks that Jacob and the Smokie are working together with the island, but I can�t reason why he would not know the distinction after having consulted with Richard over the years.
I think Smokie keeps Ben around because he is still usefull; a means to the end.
On another topic, I have seen MIB live among the people on the island. He sees them as a means to an end. I think this pattern of working with the smart ones to harness the power so he can leave did not end when what I assume to be FMOM destroys it all. We may have seen MIB in other forms with each of the islands factions at one point or another.
And now there is the issue with Alex appearing to Ben (We assume Smokie uses the image from reading Ben) If Richard buried Alex, what significance would that have on Smokie using the likeness of Alex. There was an unspoken reason to bury bodies, I just don�t know what that was.

#286. Posted by: Revelation at May 21, 2010 9:39 AM

I am missing something here and I need someone to clarify. After Locke turned the donkey wheel, he ended up in Tunisia with Widmore telling him he had things to do and had to get everyone back to the island because there was a war coming and if he wasn't there, the wrong side would win. But wasn't he the one to tell him he was going to have to die? And if his only reason for dying was so that Smokey could claim his body, it would seem that Widmore knew Smokey's plan all along. No? It's like Widmore was assisting Smokey while trying to defeat him at the same time. I don't get it.

#287. Posted by: irishfan at May 21, 2010 9:55 AM

#280. Posted by: Christina: About your nagging suspicion of Ben....Ben has told us many that he "always has a plan." And he has a plan now.

He finally realizes that his strings were being pulled by Smokey for a very long time. That's got to tork his jaw! Ben thought he was dedicating his life in service to the island and Jacob and discovers very late in the game that the smoke monster has been influencing him all along the way.

Flocke is cocksure he knows what motivates Ben. In addition to that, Flocke is terribly caught up in his rage and hell bent on destroying the island. That combination is a recipe for making very poor decisions. Flocke is currently in exactly the same state of mind that Ben was in when Flocke handed him a knife and pointed him in the direction of Jacob...that is, mad as hell and cocksure he understands the true nature of his mark. But Ben was wrong about Jacob and Flocke is wrong about Ben.

My father taught us that in any fight hot anger is a weakness, but cold anger is a tempered tool. Always let your anger cool before you act. It's a Sicilian thing.

Ben is cold angry now. He will come through for the good guys. He might do it for the sweet taste of revenge (best served cold) against MIB, but he will do the right thing.

#288. Posted by: undauntid at May 21, 2010 10:52 AM

I concur, FRAA Mac, with one caveat: you missed out listing what I consider the ep's best one liner. After shooting Widmore and never ceasing to amaze Flocke Ben asks:

"Did you say there were other people to kill?"

I laughed out loud - Ben's got his Mojo back!

#289. Posted by: robinpiney at May 21, 2010 11:03 AM

Everyone's psyched up for the finale, and of course i am as well, but it's funny, we already know how the locke thing ends right? They sink the island because it's the only way to keep everyone from the light (presumably until the miniseries Lost: The Atlantis years comes out). Plus we already learned that water is Lockes kryptonite

#290. Posted by: Quite Visible Jacob at May 21, 2010 11:24 AM

a Few extra Thoughts:
Charles Widmore told Locke that he needed to get all of the O6 to go back to the island, and to do this he would have to die. Widmore did not specifically tell Locke that he had to go back, only that he was instrumental in coordinating the return of the O6. It was Eloise that told Ben that he had to duplicate the original flight as closely as possible, and that included the body of Locke as a proxy for Christian. Looking back now, she was the one that groomed Desmond as well.
I don�t get this part? When Locke turns the FDW, he does so at the direction of Christian. Christian was MIB, so MIB tells Locke to move the island. But Locke does not move the island, Ben does. I don�t understand why it was important for Locke to do it, and Why MIB wanted the island moved. Was MIB protecting the island? Furthermore, if Locke had moved the island, He would have been in Ben�s place in Tunisia, and most likely would have been killed by the two men on horseback. Now, in comes Charles, who claims he was visited by Jacob and convinced of the errors of his ways. I believe this visit came just before Locke appears in Tunisia. Charles is waiting for him to show up. He may actually have been following Jacob�s instructions in an attempt to save a candidate.
The whole candidate thing made me uncomfortable, because anyone could have volunteered to replace Jacob as long as they did it of their own free will.

#291. Posted by: revelation at May 21, 2010 11:29 AM

@ 267 glostover posted, "Jack's neck was grazed by a bullet during the shootout in Dharmaville in which Sayid was mortally wounded."

Yer right. And now Kate's been shot. So, as the Losties draw together, and as the two "realities" merge closer and closer at the museum and possibly at Widmorefest, can we expect Kate's and Sayid's wounds to start manifesting themselves in Alt-world?

Does that work in only one direction, or does "bleed-over" occur from Island-world to Alt-world and vice versa?

#292. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 21, 2010 11:54 AM

Or would that be LOSTstock?

#293. Posted by: ransomjackson at May 21, 2010 11:55 AM

A short ABC Tribute piece featuring all the members of the cast is going on now and among the comments they make about the ending is that it is "moving", "honorable" and "ending in a beautiful way." This gives me GREAT HOPE that we will all be emotionally satisfied when the final frame dims out . . .

#294. Posted by: davidrh at May 21, 2010 2:12 PM

Even as I am starved for more LOST, I have to admit that I don't want to hear anything outside the 2.5 hour finale. Not before it and not after it. IMO ? Before the finale Mumbo Jumbo is just advertisement that I don't need to make me want to watch. I am already definitely watching. All the after-finale stuff is just stuff that is no longer relevant to the story. It is like going back as an adult to a camp where you spent the summer as child. All those great memories just cannot be relived, the innocence is gone, and, in some cases, the experience just lessens the memory. I must be a glass is half full person!!!

#295. Posted by: Revelation at May 21, 2010 2:27 PM

Ben shot Widmore saying "He doesn't get to save his daughter."

What Widmore ws doing to sasve hsi daughter was talking under the threat "Talk or I kill your daughter".

But Ben has saved Penny by making killing her pointless - with Widmore dead, there's no need for FLocke to threaten to kill her or to actually carry it out.

So either:

1) Ben didn't think that killing out really well, or

2) He's not seeking to kill Penny any more, he only wanted Widmore not to have the satisfaction of having saved her.

#296. Posted by: Cecil at May 21, 2010 2:55 PM

@296 Cecil

Good point. By killing Widmore, Ben saved Penny. Then again, his beef is not with Penny but with Charles.

Many people have suggested that Charles isn't really dead. By the abrupt way he was dispatched, I tend to think they may be onto something. Then again, the island has a way of brutally ending people once their job is done and Widmore's job was to get Dez to the island.

#297. Posted by: Paul_C at May 21, 2010 3:06 PM

I know many have said this before but I also LOVE the way the writers have handled Ben's character. One week you hate him, one week you trust him, one week he's a cold blooded calculated killer, the next week he is a remorseful man or even a man redeemed.I have to admit that I buy into the remorseful redeemed act every time. Brilliant writing and acting.

#298. Posted by: Paul_C at May 21, 2010 3:11 PM

#296. Posted by: Cecil: "2) He's not seeking to kill Penny any more, he only wanted Widmore not to have the satisfaction of having saved her."

That's what I think. But Ben actually kills two birds with one stone on this because in addition to the satisfaction he gets by killing Widmore, he also illustrates to Flocke that he (Ben) is still the man Flocke thinks he is.

#299. Posted by: undauntid at May 21, 2010 3:15 PM

@296 & 299

Ben does exactly what he always does. He eliminated any other leaders claim on the island. He takes out Locke, and Now he takes out Charles... Again.

#300. Posted by: Revelation at May 21, 2010 3:18 PM

@285: Dave
What about "Wallace" who was on the lighthouse dial...

I'm not sure if this is inconceivable or not but it might be for Wallace Shaw (Vezzini from The Princess Bride).
Who knew that all this time, Des was building up an immunity to iocaine powder...er...EM energy.


@288: undauntid
My father taught us that in any fight hot anger is a weakness, but cold anger is a tempered tool. Always let your anger cool before you act. It's a Sicilian thing.

So...are you saying that Smokey is falling for the second most classic blunder?
Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

#301. Posted by: Gumbo at May 21, 2010 3:26 PM

@301
One of my all time favourite scenes from one of my favourite movies :-)

#302. Posted by: Paul_C at May 21, 2010 3:39 PM

What a second, didn't Inigo refer to Wesley as "The man in black"... *shudders* that's eerie.

#303. Posted by: Paul_C at May 21, 2010 3:41 PM

#301. Posted by: Gumbo

I laughed out loud. HAhA... HAHA.. HaHA Ugh.

#304. Posted by: Revelation at May 21, 2010 3:49 PM

#229. Posted by: skipper
""how did jack get his backpack back from flock? and how did it contain his original supplies? actually, flock is still carrying jack's pack around - he had it when he was in newotherton. production error?""
> I agree, it looked more like a switch than a stuff. I suppose Jack could have gone back to the dock and retrieved his original backpack. Handy that 2 packs looked alike!

#278. Posted by: Not Zero
""The photo on Jack's desk was a photo of Jack, Jack's dad and Jack's son. It can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/388e7q6""

excerpt from my 157
""There is a photo on the table as Locke enters Jack's office, it is on the right side of the room from Locke's perspective. Might it be a family photo?""

at least 4 people in it. you can go to the link you posted and see the pic in question in the 2 previous frames. I think they are too small to contain enough detail to ID.

Did anyone rewatch the Des/Ben beatdown on the hood ( see @108 *Ban = Ben)
I'm amazed that didn't get commented on!
And yes, I had gone back and reread Mac's take on it, and just thought it was referencing Ben's look of awareness afterwords. Maybe it is just that I'm 3 cans shy of a 6 pack :-(
from Mac's review:
""-- Ben: Most of the alternate universe characters become aware of the island timeline through near-death experiences and/or love. But it's fitting that the man who has absorbed more beatings than anyone else -- Mr./Dr. Benjamin Linus -- gains "island consciousness" only when Desmond beats the snot out of him.""

#305. Posted by: mtncbn at May 21, 2010 4:10 PM

Glad you all appreciate it. The show isn't just about those deep philosophical questions. It is also filled with humor. Hurley writing the screenplay for Empire Strikes Back, for example.

RAAAAWR?

****** Speculative theory, feedback is appreciated *****

@291: revelation
I think I am beginning to figure out the FDW thing. I am sure this theory is swiss cheese with its holes, but...

I think the Light (cave of light, golden throne toilet bowl MiB is flushed down) and the Dark (Smokey) always existed. The embodiment of Light always needed to keep the embodiment of Dark from leaving. the Dark cannot directly attack the Light, so instead must use indirect actions.

Chronologically,
Ghost Claudia speaks to MiB telling him of his real home from across the sea to manipulate and motivate him into trying to leave. I believe Ghost Claudia is the first time we "see" an embodiment of Smokey. She manipulates him by using his natural curiosity against him.

MiB, working with "learned men" brought to the island, began to build the FDW. To prevent him from leaving, Fmom bashes his head against the wall. The ultimate resolution of all this is that MiB stabs the guardian (Fmom), but she had already transferred her guardian of the Light super powers to Jacob, so Smokey's attempt to kill the Guardian is foiled. That Jacob kills MiB and flushes him is a by-product, perhaps the intent to begin with, and by doing so, releases Smokey from the bottom of the golden flush. Smokey is still chained to the island (those metal ratchety sounds are the island pulling Smokey's chain, holding it back from leaving), but still cannot fully leave it. However, Smokey is now on the surface. Maybe Smokey was always on the surface and is what slew the villagers, providing the ultimate impetus for MiB to stab Fmom.

The next time we encounter the FDW is when Ben smashes through the Rabbit chamber. Additional "learned men" (Dharma) are brought to the island and discover the Hot Pockets of EM energy, creating the Rabbit Chamber in the first place. I assume they reestablish the FDW. They test on rabbits and polar bears, but not on people. Residual energies from this screws up pregnancies on island. Ben is the one (possibly the first actual person) who turns the FDW and "moves" the island. This circumstance sends Ben to Tunisia and is what causes Time to skip. I believe this is MiB's "proof" that the FDW is actually a viable medium for getting off the island. Plus, the skipping is what enables the Loophole to be created.

Smokey is now aware that there is a guardian and candidates to replace the guardian that keep him on the island. He needs to draw the candidates back and eliminate them, so he can ultimately leave the island.

Yes, Locke turned the FDW at the direction of Christian (Smokey in master manipulator mode). This resets the FDW so the skipping stops. Similarly, it put the notion into Locke that he had to die to bring the others back. Christian/Smokey could not directly kill him, so had his surrogate Ben accomplish that goal. One candidate down.

Desmond is truly a wild card. Perhaps he is the ultimate candidate to protect the island (the failsafe), so even Jack and the other Losties are simply a diversion. I think that he is the cork that will stopper Smokey back down the golden flush.

#306. Posted by: Gumbo at May 21, 2010 4:25 PM

@288 -- I agree with you completely.

@291 -- I'm now of the belief that Eloise was helping Smokey. Smokey (as Christian) is the one who tells him to find Eloise Hawking because she'll know how to get back to the island. And she is the one who orchestrates the return of the Losties to the island which Smokey desperately wants so he can kill them.

#307. Posted by: srharmon at May 21, 2010 4:55 PM

Ack's outdone herself and gotten this week's review up already, instead of her usual Sunday Night (and you know why).

Click my name to go

#308. Posted by: Cecil at May 21, 2010 5:02 PM

I attended the Times Talks LOST last night. I thought it was awesome!

Our theater was pretty packed. There were only a few open seats. I'm assuming there are a few hundred available in there. I was surprised... and everyone had pre-bought tickets and arrived at least half an hour early. It was nice being surrounded by so many sharing the same interest. It was interesting to see the diversity of the group as we were exiting the theater.

Definitely a "worth it" experience, and got me quite pumped for the finale!!

My friend was complaining about the lack of character focus and development this season as opposed to others, and instead focusing on the mythological aspect. D&C addressed this issue. I'm butchering it but they essentially said that the first three seasons focused on character flashbacks, but then we knew mostly everything about them, so then they moved to flash-forwards. This season, they did flash-sideways as a "new start" for the characters. The characters have the same arc, yet they made different decisions in the sideways world to lead them to where they are. But the character development is all in the sideways flashes.

Oh, and Ben showed up!! Put the cherry on top! Ha...

I had something else to say, but I forget.

2 days!!! =]

#309. Posted by: ilovebenjaminlinusxx at May 21, 2010 5:44 PM

the sense of anticipation is now palpable in this blog,
for all who have followed the show from epi#1 season#1 to next weeks finale we have never before been faced with possible disappointment,
im almost certain now that many mysteries will remain unanswered and that some fans will dislike the way their lost experience
reaches its conclusion.
i have decided to watch the finale with no preconceptions,hopes or expectations,
sci/fi shows are ten a penny but LOST has set the bar pretty high for this genre,
for next weeks finale i will have snacks & ice cold coke(hate pepsi) at the ready, switch off stupid,stupid phones & enjoy the best damned drama on tv finish.

#310. Posted by: san at May 21, 2010 5:58 PM

Do we know WHY Desmond would be considered the "failsafe"? Who/what is he?

#311. Posted by: Lumped at May 21, 2010 6:27 PM

My belief is that Desmond's special qualities stem from his surviving the purple sky event when he triggered the failsafe in the Swan station. Before that we have no indication he was anything other than an ordinary man.

After that, he has a form of precognition, (and for that matter, postcognition) and he uses it to survive an otherwise unsurvivable situation.

As Widmore demonstrated, Desmond can stand electromagnetic fields the strength of which would kill ordinary people.

We have some indications that the island's (and maybe the smoke monster's as well) special powers are connected to the island's unique electromagnetic properties.

Perhaps his abilities make Desmond the only human being capable of going down the glowing stream and surviving, untransformed.

If protector Jack is unable to contain the smoke monster, perhaps only intervention by Desmond can save the Losties/the Island/all humanity.

I have a sinking feeling that Desmond is going to have to sacrifice himself, in a moment of purest love for his Penny and the human race, as the only one who can stop the forces of evil.

But, we'll all know as much as we're going to in only 51 1/2 hours. (-sniff-)

#312. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 21, 2010 6:57 PM

#307. Posted by: srharmon
very interesting.
is she helping smokey or jacob?
the same could be said for jacob tho...
she wanted to help jacob get them back as so help protect the canidate, to make sure his replacement was there.
OR
help smokey get them back there to kill them all so they could have the island (or he could leave or distroy it).
I tend to think for jacob...if they were gone and needed they to get back.
but, if they are gone and no long at risk for taking over they are no threat any long, why bring 'em back.....????

#313. Posted by: jack at May 21, 2010 7:04 PM

#312 Cecil Rose

Thanks for the quick response. I think I'm wondering about the seeming all-knowingness (did I just coin that word?) that he has now. It strikes me as similar to Jack's after he drank from Jacob's cup. Did Desmond always have that quality (since the Swan/before the Swan) and not know it (not know he was all-knowing, not know what he didn't know??? - sorry, my head hurts...)Other than leakage which doesn't seem to fully explain it, why did he suddenly KNOW what he had to do? He never seemed to know what was going on before.

#314. Posted by: lumped at May 21, 2010 7:29 PM

@287 IIRC Flocke (aka Smokie) told Richard to tell Locke that he was going to have to die (when Richard treats his leg wound he got when Ethan shot him). Locke then tells Christian (also Smokie) at the frozen donkey wheel that he is going to have to die in order to bring everyone back ("That's why they call it a sacrifice, John"). Once he meets Widmore off Island, Locke tells him about needing to die and Widmore tells him "I'm not going to let that happen."

#315. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 21, 2010 7:44 PM

Thanks for the review, Mac!

I have been wondering about the boy - Jacob. When he appeared to Hurley to grab the ashes, He was very rude and abrupt. I don't think it was in character for him in any time or age we have seen him. He was almost nasty.

Now why would that be?

#316. Posted by: berkyo at May 21, 2010 11:01 PM

If'n your still up an in the estern opr central time zones, Jimmy Kimmel Live is just aout set to broadcast - and will have Lindleof and Cuze as guests tonight.

#317. Posted by: Cecil at May 21, 2010 11:57 PM

In his initial segment, Jimmy Kimmel was taking questions from the audience to ask D&C later on.

L Scott Calswell and SDam Anderson (Rose and Bernard) were sitting in the audience and asked in unison "What's going to happen to us?"

#318. Posted by: Cecil at May 22, 2010 12:30 AM

How come no one but me and Cecil are on the Fringe blog? It was so good last night. What is up with that?
click name to go there or Cecil's name above

#319. Posted by: christina at May 22, 2010 1:18 AM

Do you think Lindleof and Cuze will ''say'' any thing????

#320. Posted by: sweetpea at May 22, 2010 1:20 AM

@319. Posted by: christina
How come no one but me and Cecil are on the Fringe blog? It was so good last night. What is up with that?

I will be there soon. I have not completely caught up with the series.

#321. Posted by: Revelation at May 22, 2010 4:18 AM

Thanks a lot for the recap, mac.

We're at episode 6x18-1 and we still have no real clue about the overall premise and about the ending of LOST. I just have to say that I love it!

I still think that episode 6x18-2 was not really about "answers" to the mystery. If the writers wanted to give us the answers in this way, they could have easily done it much more consistently. I think the writers' intention was merely to give us a better picture of Jacob's and MIB's point of view, respectively. They showed us that Jacob and MIB were not on the Island from the beginning, and that they may still be not aware of the bigger picture.

My final "candidates" for the premise of the Island's mystery:
1) simulated reality
2) aliens
3) magic

The overall premise could actually be a combination of these points. Premise 1) would probably provide most degrees of freedom for the writers, since everything that happened on the Island could quite consistently be explained this way. Premise 2) would probably be some kind of alien space ship underneath the Island which uses an advanced energy source. In case the final answer is really just premise 3) without a more "scientific" explanation, I wish FMom and Jacob would at least have said "ABRACADABRA" at their wine/water scenes!

My final speculation for the ending regarding the timelines is that the Island timeline will cease to exist and the characters in the ALT-timeline become aware of their ALT life on the Island via sideways flashes. Maybe the existence of the ALT-timeline is Jack's way of "fixing" things in his role as Jacob's successor.

I'm sure we will see a lot of reunions/couples and happy ends at the concert:
- Juliet is probably Jack's ex wife and she will finally meet Sawyer at the concert (they are in love since they "remember"...)
- Jack and Kate could also become a couple there
- Charlie doesn't die in the ALT-timeline and he meets Claire
- I also bet on Faraday and Charlotte
- Bernard and Rose
- Desmond and Penny
- ...

#322. Posted by: Margot at May 22, 2010 7:13 AM


Frogert (sp?) and Cindy . . . ?!? . .


Oh that's just silly. He's much too short for her . . .

#323. Posted by: davidrh at May 22, 2010 7:41 AM

As to ALT world, and Jack's ex. Julliet is way to obvious, and she needs to have coffee She is an ex, so I guess that doesn't matter. How about Cindy, or even Nikki?

#324. Posted by: mtncbn at May 22, 2010 8:45 AM

No, wait. Cindy doesn't work. She was serving drinks to Jack on the plane with no ex type interaction.

#325. Posted by: mtncbn at May 22, 2010 8:47 AM

@325/mtncbn:

What if Jack's ex is Penny?

#326. Posted by: welh at May 22, 2010 9:18 AM

@326 welh
LOL
That's a beauty, and quite possible!

#327. Posted by: mtncbn at May 22, 2010 10:42 AM

#321. Revelation
I am really glad YOU will be there too.
We need to get others here to watch it.
It's worth it!!! very good

#328. Posted by: christina at May 22, 2010 11:36 AM

What if Jack's ex is KATE? They did look at each other funny at the airport. Yes, that could be the ''possible'' recognize each other thing. BUT that is exactly what the writers would want us to think. What if it's acutally a clue? You know how they love to make us think and speculate. Ok yes she was on the run so how would David know she WOULD be at the concert...haven't quite figured that out. She was busted out...maybe she called. Ok just thinking. I hope it's Kate. (sorry kate haters).

#329. Posted by: christina at May 22, 2010 11:42 AM

#322 Margot
would totally love for it to be number 2

#330. Posted by: sweetpea at May 22, 2010 11:46 AM

Yes, super jealous Jack goes postal when Desmond makes his move on ex-Penny at the concert; then Ben recognizes Desmond from the beat down and joins in a mass melee; as Charlie sees "Claire" and creeps her out on his undying love for her, so Charlotte pushes him away, which leads to Faraday and Charlie wrestling to the ground; Kate and Charlotte exchange words then cat fight; Sawyer and Miles show up to the disturbance and get caught up with fighting Sayid; Hurley keeps eating at the buffet table, occasionally hitting people over the head with the silver lids from the food warmers; all ending in a Mad,Mad,Mad,Mad World/Animal House parade chaotic blood bath scene.

#331. Posted by: welh at May 22, 2010 12:02 PM

Cecil & others - Love Fringe and will check out your site soon

@310 san - Ha - I'm chilling Pepsi (cause I can't stand coke) but I also am going to turn the phones off.

@326 welh - I was considering the same thing, somehow it seems right

Anyone wonder if the *enhanced* version of the Pilot tonite will hold any clues? I have rewatched it several times since hearing that *we all everybody* may have missed something vital but cannot figure out what it is.

#332. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 22, 2010 12:38 PM

GRAA Mac!

These last few weeks I can't keep up with the blog anymore, reading or posting. So I'm just jumping in here to thank Mac for all the great reviews over the years, to thank all you posters for the great discussions, and to wish you all a wonderful finale tomorrow!

#333. Posted by: Plain Simple at May 22, 2010 1:09 PM

Alright the whole name on walls things is once proof that the writers are just all over the place.

Kate gave up Aaron to Claire's mom/g'mom (can't remember). So why wasn't the line through her name erased? Jack played 'daddy' to Aaron for just about the same amount of time and knew that was nephew, his name should have been crossed out, IMHO.

I also find it wildly erratic that MIB and Jacob both chose their placements/ are replaced by people that realized that off the island, LIFE SUCKS! Of course MIB and Jacob use those ppl as means to different ends. Kind of makes you think... about what? I have no idea, just think and get back to me.

Let's not forget that underneath it all Jack and Locke pretty hated each other from the get go, so I'm hoping, no I'm praying that this plays a huge role in the finale.

#334. Posted by: Anthony at May 22, 2010 2:23 PM

#334. Anthony____ With regard to the names on the walls... People are still trying to make the crossing off of names comply with a set of rules that don't exist. Jacob didn't say all parents are crossed off the list or parenthood disqualifies a candidate; clearly it doesn't ... Sawyer is a father and Claire was pregnant when they arrived on the island.

Jacob flat out told Kate he removed her as a candidate because she became a mother but he also told her that it is only a mark of chalk, and if she wants the job she can have it. So it would seem Jacob crossed Kate's name off the list because he thought Kate would not likely volunteer for the position if she had a child in her care. As simple as that.

Jack's name wasn't crossed off probably because Jacob felt Jack would not be prevented from volunteering for the position by his sense of duty to Aaron. Turns out Jacob was right about that.

As far as MIB choosing a replacement: He hasn't chosen a replacement. He is still himself manifesting in the form of John Locke. I suspect he used John Locke specifically because the Lostees knew Locke and it would give MIB the opportunity to infiltrate without their questioning the bossy new guy in their midst.

#335. Posted by: undauntid at May 22, 2010 5:44 PM

@331 - welh --->

"all ending in a Mad,Mad,Mad,Mad World/Animal House parade chaotic blood bath scene."

They find the golden island toilet bowl under the Big "W" and everyone starts to dig, except for Culpepper who watches until they find the heart of the island.

#336. Posted by: Revelation at May 22, 2010 7:01 PM

Wait One Question?
They never fully explained the Numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42) right? like how they where bascially EVERYWHERE!! and even over that radio transmition and how they followed Hurley Everywhere? Where the hell did these numbers come from?

#337. Posted by: EMAC at May 22, 2010 7:31 PM

just when i thought there were only a few more twists & turns to my whole LOST experience i found out today that the first showing of THE END parts 1 & 2 will be shown at 5am on monday morning,
that may be ok for dairy farmers (milk cows-watch lost)
there are only 2 places i can be found at 5am - and both of them are in bed,
the reason for this crazy viewing time from what i understand is so the finale can be shown as soon as it has finished in the states.

#338. Posted by: san at May 22, 2010 8:02 PM

@338 san

Sounds like you might want to make an exception ....sleep can always wait ;)

#339. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 22, 2010 10:31 PM

San,

That's what DVR/VCRs are for. Or sympathies. So go to bed at 6PM.

#340. Posted by: Cecil at May 22, 2010 11:23 PM

WARNING: IF BAD ANY CHANCE YOU'RE READING THIS WITHOUT HAVING WATCHED THE SERIES - DON'T READ THIS - HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD

(BUT NOT FOR ANYONE WHPS ACTUALLY BEEN WATCHING)

I certainly hope that no-one who never watched Lost sat down to watch the "enhanced" Pilot episode to decide if thet wanted to check out what allt he uss was about, bucause the 'enhancements' basicallly spoiled the entired future series up to and inclucing last weeks episode "What They Died For".

Enhancements like "That noise in the jungle is the smoke monster, who wants to leave the island, as we'll learn in Season 6. And John Locke will become the smoke monster."

or "Jack will take over as protector of the island from Jacob, as seen in the season six episode 'What They Died For'."

Sheesh!

#341. Posted by: Cecil at May 22, 2010 11:30 PM

The TV stations around here see weather of any kind as a profit center. I can understand special bulletins if a hurricane is approaching our coast, or tornadoes have been sighted in the area, but these guys treat RAIN like a natural disaster, for cat's sake.

So they breathlessly break in to tell us a line of thunderstorms is moving through the area - and then keep updating us with a crawl ont he bottom of the screen advising us that, for instance, when it rains the cricks rise, or that it's not a good idea to drive into pools of water you don't know the depth of, for instance.

And tonight they did this for the entire two hours of the LOST: Pilot Parts 1&2 broadcast, laying their stupid crawl right over the only thig we fanatics tuned in for in the first place - the 'enhancements'. Of course tonight they mostly turned out to be for laughs - no new information that I noticed, just gynormous spilers fro anyone who hadn't watched LOST and was looking to get introduced to it through the Pilot.

Of course the crawls weren't so important that they would lay them over their advertisements, not even their stupid station promos - just the actual show people tune in to see.

Eventually the engineers figured out how to squash the picture so that the crawls didn't cover up the subtitles, but for at least the first half hour, any two-line subtitle only line 1 was visible.

DavidRH lemmie have an
!ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

#342. Posted by: Cecil at May 22, 2010 11:41 PM

First time poster. And I'm not sure if this type of thing is frowned upon here or not, but I've been reading for a while, and I've seen that occasionally you guys like to post haikus relating to Lost. I've done the entire series (I also post haiku-reviews of movies, and Lost is most certainly like a weekly movie).
Anyway. If you want to check out some haiku reviews of old Lost episodes, swing on over to my blog at www.ape10.blogspot.com
the reviews are linked to on the side.

#343. Posted by: P@ at May 23, 2010 1:18 AM

@P@:

Feel free to drop a haiku on us, as well. I used to do one for every episode, but got so behind last year i dropped it, although I may go back and catch up sometime after the finale.

I think it got started because somebody posted a short note and somebody else said "That was almost like a haiku" and I just said to myself - well why not go back and actually DO a haiku?

LOST ends tomorrow,
All questions will be resolved,
For better or worse.

#344. Posted by: Cecil at May 23, 2010 1:39 AM

Thanks to Cecil's reminder, I caught the Kimmel interview last night with D&C. They added virtually nothing new, but given they needed an additional 1/2 hour to the finale, I suspect we will get everything plus the kitchen sink tomorrow night.

Doc Jensen also noted that we may (not a spoiler, hence the word "may") get some info regarding both Walt and Hawking tomorrow. Not surprisingly, he writes that D&C will include "extra content" on the final season six DVD to answer remaining questions not addressed in the final episode.

Bottom line, I expect them to eventually wrap up most, if not all, unanswered questions. Not sure if that's a good thing or not- I felt the last episode was so straight forward there was little to speculate about.

So much of the experience has been theorizing over the answers- will it have the same pull when the mystery is gone?

#345. Posted by: Mizzed at May 23, 2010 2:52 AM

I really liked the pilot 1 and 2 tonight. It's funny how the WHOLE show is basically right there! Amazaing. Personally I think that shows that they are NOT "all over the place" have have known from the very beginning where they are going with this show. Yes if you never saw lost then tonight was not a good night to watch. They should have put a SPOILER ALERT before the show or some thing like that. I esp liked Locke and his backgammon game!!! It reminded me WHY we were hooked from the very first show!!!

#346. Posted by: Christina at May 23, 2010 3:04 AM

dang, could I have made any more errors typing that? crap
I am tired and I don't want to go to bed cause then I will wake up and it will be my birthday and I will be 40. WHA WHA WHA
Although I do get the best present ever, the finale of the best show ever!

#347. Posted by: Christina at May 23, 2010 3:09 AM

@347 - Christina.
Happy Birthday!!! I have few years on you and I can tell you 40 is great. Don't listen to others, just feel your way. I have never been stronger, fitter, or had more stamina. You go @ 40 headstrong!!!

#348. Posted by: Reve;ation at May 23, 2010 3:28 AM

Happy Birthday Christina!

40 - pisht - you're young (64 +2 months here)

Did you mean to type "wrap, I am so tired?"

Such silliness for a Sunday morning.

10 hours before it all starts to wrap.

#349. Posted by: Cecil at May 23, 2010 8:19 AM

Cecil did you mean 10 hours until it starts to "crap". You guys will just never let me live that down will you? I love you guys. You guys---or could be ladies for all I know---have always made me laugh and made me "think" harder about the show. I cannot wait for the show tonight but it's also bitter sweet. Dying and yet dying :) :(
ah crap I have joined the old people now.

#350. Posted by: christina at May 23, 2010 9:13 AM

#342. Cecil ____ I feel your pain! Although I appreciate the tornado warning alerts, I am sick of the pre-warning alerts..."Atmospheric conditions are favorable for tornadic activity." To which I shout at the TV, "No sh*t sherlock, it's oklafreakinghoma!" They interrupt the show with satellite images and discussions and instructions. I am hoping for a nice thunder free evening.

#351. Posted by: undauntid at May 23, 2010 9:57 AM

Happy Birthday Christina! I loved my 40s! Attractive, assured, altogether wonderful. Have a lovely day.

#352. Posted by: undauntid at May 23, 2010 10:09 AM

This is the last day......

Watching ABC news this AM and they had a piece on a Lost-A-Thon with 3 guys watching season 1 to 6 straight thru. No sleep. Just before it they did a piece on the futility of button pushing. Like the buttons on street lights. Do they actually change the light for walkers? And in elevators. Do the doors actually close faster? Are the Placebo Buttons? No reference to Lost but all the Lost fans prob caught it.

Watched the recap of pilot too last night.
If Jacob brought the losties to the island, did HE cause the miraculous crash? I remember D and C saying that Desmond, for sure, caused the crash. Seeing as Jacob requires free will (which Lostie willed the crash???) and he does not influence the candidates, would everything that happened to the losties on the island have to do with MIB influencing them to his loophole ending? And since Jacob was imprisoned in the cabin, and Ben thought he was taking orders from Jacob. And Richard must had known that it was Jacob in the cabin. Why didn't they let Jacob out of the cabin? Were they, Ben and Richard actually working with the MIB/Smoke monster? And so Jacob's plea to Locke to "Help me" is really tragic because Locke was being guided by MIB to be the one whose body he would use to convince Ben to kill Jacob.

You know, even with answers, this story is really hard to follow.

Thanks to all for for the years of intellectual and silly conversations. Thanks especially to Mac for providing this virtual lounge for us. I wonder if he had any idea what he was creating?

Busy day for me and then a bitter sweet evening. See you all tomorrow.

#353. Posted by: berkyo at May 23, 2010 10:11 AM

#337 @ EMAC
They did explain the numbers, sorta. They are the numbers of each of the candidates on Jacob's compass. The lost wiki also says the following: "In The Lost Experience it was revealed that these six numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The numbers in actuality are said to represent human and environmental factors in the equation, though their precise meaning is uncertain. One purpose of the DHARMA Initiative was to change the factors leading to humanity's demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of the human/environmental factors that succeeds in changing one of the numbers. However, in all its years of research, the Initiative failed to reach its goal. Despite much research and manipulation of the equation's values, the end result was always the same. " For more on this, check out Lostpedia (search term "the numbers"

Hope this helps.

#354. Posted by: Paul_C at May 23, 2010 11:34 AM

#337 EMac

* 4 - Locke
* 8 - Reyes
* 15 - Ford
* 16 - Jarrah
* 23 - Shephard
* 42 - Kwon

#355. Posted by: Paul_C at May 23, 2010 11:36 AM

In the pilot, after Seth Norris was killed, and our three idiots abandoned the relative safety of the plane for the open jungle, why did Jack disappear from Charlie and Kate for awhile? Was he meeting with smokie?

#356. Posted by: mtncbn at May 23, 2010 11:40 AM

Hello everyone! Here in France, I have to wait until Monday night to see the finale, boohoo. And on top of that, I have to keep myself from looking at a single Lost blog or online article until I watch it!

I wanted to say during this lull before the end, that I have so appreciated everyone's comments and contributions. You guys are so much smarter than me. I've learned, like so many of us, a lot about subjects I never even dreamed of: how to disable a plane, weapons in general, physics, wormholes, time travel, explosives, cindy's scarf. I've laughed out loud more times than I can count. And shared in people's life stories and experiences. So a big THANK YOU!!

That said, I hope we get to hear from some of our old timers who haven't been around for awhile, meg, bcre8ve, mr naysayer, clementine, Piecesof Arzt, bunnylover, JoePike, Three men and a baby... I counted Hugo twice, DocH, Red...Neck...Man, Alex (Not Rousseau), Mister_Grimm, ealgumby and Ala�s_Longthought (I know, I know, but still, I miss you guys!), boodle, Frogurt, Skipper, PreacherOnun, pebspostal, Scooby-Dude, etc.

And if I didn't post your name it doesn't mean I don't miss you but merely early senility has set in. And if I DID post your name and you've commented just a 100 or so posts up, well first excuse still applies.

Can't wait to read everyone's comments tomorrow.

#357. Posted by: En Provence at May 23, 2010 11:55 AM

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ


Just wanted to say it was nice forumin' with all of ya over the past few years.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

#358. Posted by: Mr Naysayer at May 23, 2010 12:15 PM

@357. Posted by: En Provence

Holy nostalgia! Agreed!

In any case....

Fearless leader Mac - Many thanks for providing some good stomping grounds! You are a gentleman good sirrah! I wish you great luck and success with all of your future endeavours! I raise my glass to you...

Just wanted to wish everyone (old, new, time-travelers) good luck and good times tonight. It has been a wild ride, with so much brainstorming, joking and whatnot. It has been a great pleasure grazing the great fields of knowledge and adventure with you all.

No matter what your opinion of the show is, I hope that you have a pleasant experience this evening.

Myself - I am off to an all day 60th b-day party with the extended familia. No doubt, plenty of will be getting pretty hammered all day and evening long. As such, I highly doubt I will see the finale while it airs. Who knows - perhaps in a blissful drunken stupor, some last second plan will come together to make a break to watch it!

So once again - all the best to you all, and looking forward to reading the final review for the show.

Salut!

#359. Posted by: shikotee at May 23, 2010 12:25 PM

3 years ago, I was about to commit suicide. Then I discovered Lost. After the finale, the show is done with me, and I will finally be able to let go.

I am going to drive my car into the river, but only after writing 'Not Penny's boat' on the palm of my hand. Maybe I'll make the news.

Namast�

Clairebear

#360. Posted by: Clairebear at May 23, 2010 1:10 PM

@ Paul_C

Thanks man, Yeah i kinda remember the equation thing and i remember they were attached to each candidate but what confuses me a lil is like how did this scientific equation merge with i guess u could say supernatural occurance. like ok the equation thing makes sense but then how did it follow hurley around and why would jacob use them to number each candidate? jacob doesnt look like much of a science guy. I think this is a huge mystery that wont be answered :( im actually scared to watch tonight, im afraid im going to left clinlically insane and ill never know all the answers

#361. Posted by: EMAC at May 23, 2010 1:54 PM

@347 Christina, a very happy bd. 40 is great, the only thing I hated was checking off a new box on surveys..the 40-59 years old box....Hated that, otherwise any day after surviving the big *C* is a great day.

@351 undauntid *No sh&t sherlock*
hey thats my fav saying too!

@360 Clairbear - I hope you're not serious, please tell us you're joking.

#362. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 23, 2010 2:24 PM

CLAIREBEAR - please don't drive your car into the river. Please respond. I've lost friends to suicide and I take it seriously. If you are *joking* please let us know

Mac????

#363. Posted by: lostbcyberspace at May 23, 2010 2:58 PM

oh sorry, just kidding

#364. Posted by: Clairebear at May 23, 2010 3:15 PM

@364 Clairebear, I'm very glad :), thanks for responding, sorry if it appears I overreacted, I understand your joke. Suicide is a serious thing and I couldn't let it go without addressing the issue. Enjoy the finale.

#365. Posted by: lostncyberspace at May 23, 2010 3:40 PM

Mac,
I declare your reviews are one of my favorite parts of this final season of Lost! You are so funny and spot on with your musings. I really going to miss my day after recaps from you.

#366. Posted by: LostInThought at May 23, 2010 3:58 PM

The Times Talks - I think these will fit without doing tinyurl

01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2q8a8X7i_0&feature=related
02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jczqh3TJPA&feature=related
03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSSFdc-73Y&feature=related
04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfMZtAbrxo8&feature=related
05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm2IE2KykQM&feature=related
06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_frCldk4Kw&feature=related
07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_w1lkqreSg&feature=related
08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyoy0dYbtiQ&feature=related
09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnm81zlBhLE&feature=related
10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc4yBhbnUNo&feature=related
11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AW4TQ1vY-s&feature=related

#367. Posted by: mtncbn at May 23, 2010 4:23 PM

LIST OF REMAINING MYSTERIES:

MiB's mother*
The Lighthouse*
Pregnancy issues*
Healing properties*
Hurley's Bird
The Sickness*
The Numbers*
Ash circles*
Room 23*
Walt
Supply drop
Glass eye
Desmond's Importance*
Ajira 316 Passenger massacre
Charlotte Malkin
Island's submergence
FSW Jack's wounds
David's mother
Flash-Sideways Relationship
Kate's horse
The Source (Hert of the Island)

* (Partially solved)

#368. Posted by: EMAC at May 23, 2010 4:38 PM

ALSO:
Something not to many people are aware of but either BEN LINUS or his father Roger LINUS WERE CANDIDATES!!! If you look closely at Jacobs long list of candidates at the lighthouse LINUS is a name on that list and his number is 117!

Other names on that list that we are familiar with are:
20 - Rousseau
32 - Rutherford (Boone or Shannon)
51 - Austen
58 - Burke (Juliet)
101 - Faraday
104 - Lewis (Charolette)
109 - Friendly
117 - Linus
124 - Dawson (Michael or Walt)

(also if you are unsure what myteries I am addressing in my previou post just ask.)

#369. Posted by: EMAC at May 23, 2010 4:50 PM

Why is the supply drop a mystery? Kelvin Inman (and in theory Radzinski) were known to still be in the hatch after the purge. Dharma wasn't going to let them starve to death (especially since no one would be able to push the button if they did). Do we really need someone to come on screen and explain it?

#370. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 23, 2010 4:54 PM

[DELETED because no one wants to watch Lost at the Jersey Shore]

#371. Posted by: Jen at May 23, 2010 5:05 PM

@368 re: the Glass Eye mystery

Isn't that Mikhail's glass eye? I know we never see him wear it - his eye socket in the Looking Glass episode is stitched up so that he couldn't wear it -- but perhaps he wore it prior to that. Then, after stitching-up (for reasons unknown to us), he abandoned the glass eye.

#372. Posted by: ebk at May 23, 2010 5:44 PM

@350 Christina asked:

>Cecil did you mean 10 hours until it starts to "crap".

Let's hope not.

Two hours now!

#373. Posted by: Cecil at May 23, 2010 5:46 PM

@353 betkyo postulated:

>Seeing as Jacob requires free will (which Lostie willed the crash???) and he does not influence the candidates, would everything that happened to the losties on the island have to do with MIB influencing them to his loophole ending?

Maybe without Desmond's slip-up, the candidates would have just flashed out of the plane like they did on the Ajira flight, and Oceanic 815 would have just flown on to LA.


>And since Jacob was imprisoned in the cabin, and Ben thought he was taking orders from Jacob. And Richard must had known that it was Jacob in the cabin. Why didn't they let Jacob out of the cabin? Were they, Ben and Richard actually working with the MIB/Smoke monster?

I thought we decided it was Smokey imprisoned in the cabin and Jacob had lifed int he foot all along, and therefore SDmokey was impersonating jacob to Ben, Richard, or both?

>And so Jacob's plea to Locke to "Help me" is really tragic because Locke was being guided by MIB to be the one whose body he would use to convince Ben to kill Jacob.

But this takes a different complexion if it was Smokey all along.

#374. Posted by: Cecil at May 23, 2010 5:54 PM

@359 shikotee revealed:

>Myself - I am off to an all day 60th b-day party with the extended familia. No doubt, plenty of will be getting pretty hammered all day and evening long. As such, I highly doubt I will see the finale while it airs. Who knows - perhaps in a blissful drunken stupor, some last second plan will come together to make a break to watch it!

You didn't say if that was YOUR birthday or some other family members, but if it's your, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!, and welcome to the club.

#375. Posted by: Cecil at May 23, 2010 5:59 PM

Hey you all everybody�one more time to be Ala�s_Longthought...

I haven't felt comfortable posting, but have also really missed my "blog buddies," so I wanted to stop by one more time to say good-bye to everyone who's not over on the "Facebook outpost." Five-plus years of conversing w/so many of you has been a joy for me. If I try to list everyone I know I'll forget someone, so I won't try (besides, I don't want to sound like an Academy Award speech). But I have to say thank you, Mac, for making this place. My life is immeasurably different & better because of what you did. : )

And for those of you who've been around long enough to know ealgumby's & my story, I did want to pass along that we're engaged...a year from June, after I finish my Big Adventure in Library School, is when we're planning to be married.

I hope all good things come to all of you... : )

#376. Posted by: Ala�s_Longthought at May 23, 2010 6:44 PM

@ Ala�s_Longthought and ealgumby: CONGRATULATIONS! That's fantastic news!

#377. Posted by: mac at May 23, 2010 6:49 PM

pulling from the bottom of the page because I couldn't say it any better...
"The end is extremely fucking nigh."
- 28 Days Later -

#378. Posted by: undauntid at May 23, 2010 6:57 PM

@undauntid: I know the language might make some blush, but that line was (and is) perfect.

#379. Posted by: mac at May 23, 2010 7:00 PM

Yeah those were good answers. but we really dont know who would drop the supplies because the DI was basicaly destroyed and shut down and the Hatch was forgetten about remember? cause Desmond was stuck there for 3 years because they never sent another replacement and thats why Kelvin wanted out so bad.

ITS FINALLY HERE!!!

#380. Posted by: EMAC at May 23, 2010 7:04 PM

Hello Alais, I've missed you and ealgumby these last few weeks but respect your reasons. Congratulations on your engagement and wishing you both a long and happy life together.

To All: Thank you for your insight and wit and warmth over the years.

Mac: Fearless Leader! Thank you so much for making LOST a richer experience.

Pre-show has started in Oklahoma! Clips with commentary by the cast...Sayid speaking with a British accent!

#381. Posted by: undauntid at May 23, 2010 7:10 PM

@-mac,
i guess you have a busy night ahead of you,
i dont envy you having the task of reviewing this marathon length finale,
i have decided against the unprecedented simulcast as it is now known ( episode will be aired in the uk at the same time as west coast US)
i have my dvr all set for tonights show,
i will watch it tomorrow & look forward to your recap.
see you all on the other side!

#382. Posted by: san at May 23, 2010 7:51 PM

Just sat down to watch the show and thought, �The end is nigh.� I came here to post that. And it was already posted. And that�s perfect.

Thank you, Mac, for the recaps. For a guaranteed laugh, each and every time. For noticing something I didn�t, each and every time. Most of all, thank you for loving the show as much as we do, for keeping the blog going for six years, for hosting a safe and friendly forum that allowed our Lost cyber-family to be born, and for staying up late to write, even when your own family was growing.

Thank you to everybody who is a part of this blog -- posters and lurkers and fill-in reviewers and entertainers and philosophers, all. I have learned from you, laughed with you, cried with you, argued and debated with you, and now I will share The End with you.

Wishing you the very best that life has to offer ~

Namaste,
Clementine

#383. Posted by: Clementine at May 23, 2010 8:05 PM

THANK YOU for all the birthday shout outs. ah big hug for everyone :)
I had pizza, chips, cheesecake and icecream....I think I need to call my cartiologist!
OMG OMG OMG 1 and a half hours to go!!!!!!!

#384. Posted by: christina at May 23, 2010 8:33 PM

all righty...here in oklafreakinghoma the the end has begun.

#385. Posted by: undauntid at May 23, 2010 9:10 PM

FYI: The Target commercials are hilarious!

#386. Posted by: undauntid at May 23, 2010 10:40 PM

Ladies and gents, watching the show, actually loving every minute of it. Can't wait to talk with everyone about it afterwards.

#387. Posted by: lostedit at May 23, 2010 10:44 PM

Congrats to the newly engaged couple!

Just saw Sawyer get his connection as I read about you guys. Quite good timing, I must say...

#388. Posted by: LostedIt at May 23, 2010 10:50 PM

So the Sideways world was heaven?

#389. Posted by: Lost Is Found at May 23, 2010 11:34 PM

WOW.

#390. Posted by: davidrh at May 23, 2010 11:35 PM

Well we've got a lot to talk about but let's not put any Finale spoilers here - either wait for mac to get the review out or come on over to the Facebook page.

#391. Posted by: Cecil at May 23, 2010 11:36 PM

OMG WHAT JUST HAPPENED

#392. Posted by: EMAC at May 23, 2010 11:36 PM

Daaaaaaaaam. That was sad!

#393. Posted by: Reesespieces at May 23, 2010 11:41 PM

I just got into the show a couple months back, and found this site to be so helpful when I was catching up. I enjoyed the ending. I won't give too much away, but I'm seeing on facebook people that are upset about it, but it seems to epitomize LOST so well.

#394. Posted by: Watrick at May 23, 2010 11:42 PM

MAC please give us a review!! your our Jack. and Im on the verg of tears but they just wont come out. OMG OMG OMG OMG what is ging on here!!!! I dont know what to think!!! I NEED ANSWERS!!! I hate that i was right about some questions that we had. It killed some of my experience of the finale. damn now im crying. it hit me.

#395. Posted by: EMAC at May 23, 2010 11:42 PM

Whats the link to the facebook page?

#396. Posted by: Lost Is Found at May 23, 2010 11:44 PM

#396

http://bit.ly/dAukyz

#397. Posted by: pebspostal at May 24, 2010 12:02 AM

Ok, I was totally confused by the ending for a little bit there until I finally realized (and this is not a spoiler) that what we saw in the "real" world didn't have a direct time correlation to the sideways world. It apparently was different for each person.

#398. Posted by: LostedIt at May 24, 2010 12:25 AM

Did anyone else see Maryln Manson in the audience of Kimmel? When Sayid and Clair walk out they cut to the audience and I swear it's him.

#399. Posted by: Lost Is Found at May 24, 2010 12:30 AM

yes it was him

#400. Posted by: EMAC at May 24, 2010 12:33 AM

Ha I paused it when I wrote that and then watch further and Kimmel makes a reference to him.

#401. Posted by: Lost Is Found at May 24, 2010 12:35 AM

AHHHHH!!!!! I finally GET IT!!!! IT makes so much sense now! WOW that was a perfect ending! THE BIGGEST and MAYBE ONLY Hint that was given so the ending could make perfect sense was what Hurley tells Ben outside the ******. That made so much sense. Now im really crying.

#402. Posted by: EMAC at May 24, 2010 12:38 AM

HA!!! I was right!!!! It ended EXACTLY as I predicted YEARS AGO ....Jack EXACTLY in the same place he was when the series opened and the last shot was the same as the first, Jack's EYE.... and they are all dead. I KNEW IT ! there's much that I still don't understand tho. Probably never will...OH and I LOVED the JKL, Jeff Probst ending, SO predicted that, but Bob Newhart, THAT was GREAT. It's been a great 6 year ride. RIP L O S T.

#403. Posted by: Ollie-Em at May 24, 2010 1:10 AM

Will MAC have a final review for the Last episode?

#404. Posted by: EMAC at May 24, 2010 1:15 AM

k i was a bit sleepy the 1st 1/2, woke up and got into it, disappointed how easy it was to kill off mib, teary at the very end when the real deal was realized and then it was over, im still unsure how i feel about it and am glad there's posts here, need mac's review and more comments to fulfill me, just knew juliet was jack's son's mom.

#405. Posted by: jenny tailia at May 24, 2010 1:28 AM

i have this bitter sweet feeling about the end, im kind of dumb founded

#406. Posted by: jenny tailia at May 24, 2010 1:31 AM

I am in serious need of Mac's review and everyone's comments!! Very sad that it is all over, and as usual, got a million questions. Someone needs to set up a FAQ to answer every imaginable query. Grrrrr....

#407. Posted by: Capybara at May 24, 2010 1:37 AM

The sideways world was a place (possibly Purgatory) they all eventually ended up after they died to move on to heaven, or whatever you wanna call it, together just at different relative times, i.e. it didn't directly correlate to time on the real world. They all eventually died, but at different times in the real world. For example Jack died after he fixed the heart of the island, Hurley could of died thousands of years later (since he was the protector of the island) and Kate could of lived a normal life BUT once they ALL died in Real World they all met up in that church and "Moved On" together since they were all so connected i guess. That is why Hurley told Ben "You WERE a great number 2" and ben says "You WERE a great number 1" it was because they worked together on the island until they eventually died of course. the sideways world was simply there for them to remember their lives and move on together. That why Cristian Shepard says, "Everyone die sometime Jack" The Show basically ended with us seeing them all dead in an afterlife together. SO the show ended for the origina characters BUT NOT for the island. the mysteries of the island they were on are still unsolved and whatever was going on with that place was a great mystery. Also all of the scientific stuff still remains to be solved.

Some things that were strange were Micheal not being there. Also The post Lost final scene when we see that plane that crashed.... WHat the hell was that. the camera just stood there on that plane and it didnt show much. that was strange.

#408. Posted by: EMAC at May 24, 2010 1:40 AM

Hope that helped explain what the finale was al about. As far as the original characters were concerned we were given a proper ending. However as far as the Island we are left in the dark. One major question is, if the sideways world was merely "Purgatory" then what the hell happened after the Bomb exploded after the incident?? We never saw what happened? Also, When the plane in the sideways world passed the spot where the island was why did we see the island submerged underwater if they were in like some purgatory clearly after they all died? Did the island "die" aswell? Another thing to think about is, so when the bomb went off Juliet died and Jack and crew jumped forward in time back to 2007 i think so they all were destined to stop MIB and thats it? cause if we just forget the whole final scene in heaven, they were put on the island to stop MIB and Hurley to protect it some more but thats it like it never ends.. IF MIB is gone then wat is Hurley Protecting it from? Ben Linus said that he could change the rules and just make people happy. Would Hurley need a replacement? cause he eventually dies so who replaces him? And why did Desmond say it didnt matter what they did on the island? how was desmond a failsafe? allhe did was like jump back and forth from the afterlife to the real world.. I think Desmond wasnt jumping between the two instead he seen the afterlife when he was shocked and knew they would all reunite in heaven sohe didnt care if he died anymore cause he gets penny when he dies anyways. so when he dies he remembers the island i guess thats what makes him special. Well anyways i just went on a 3 hour rant about my thought of the final episode, i promise it will continue soon when i think some more

#409. Posted by: EMAC at May 24, 2010 1:57 AM

(Rant Continued, since i have noone else to talk to about the show at the moment)

I guess when they said the MIB would destroy everyone they ever loved and knew could that have ment if he got off the isand he would enter purgatory and ruin their little voyage to the afterlife aka white light. Maybe when MIB said he wanted to go home he ment he wanted to go to the afterlife. Yet Desmond didnt really care What MIB did he just didnt care anymore about living.
Also another cool note is none of the children were there in the church, so they must be alive, however what is VERY strange is that Araon was born in the afterlife?? Maybe thats what made him special?? or he was just fake like Jacks son, Locke did tell him he didnt have a son. its cool to see Locke understand everything so quickly since he was a man of faith.

Also, Desmond was exposed to electormagnetic properties and all that jazz but what was the point of that? Jack went down there just find and was exposed to the light and didnt die, There. but maybe the energy desmond was exposed to kind gave him a near death experience and thats why he had all those wierd things happen to him.
And it turned out Mrs. Hawking was just a fucking coward who didnt want to let go and move on.
But this whole afterlife thing does make some kinda sense. for instance Hurley talked to Dead people, SO could ths be that Hurley was also conected t this afterlife world kind of like how Desmond was? Hurley was simpley talking to people in that world also Miles was hearing theyre last thoughts cause he was there too. and MIB saw his mother cause he crossed over aswell. and i think we got a good explanation to why Michael wasnt there it could have been cause he was trapped on the island but HOW? maybe he just never moved on like they did. Butwhat about MR. EKO?? Maybe he moved onto the light before them.

And alot of people werent at the Church because they werent ready, Desmond used Anna Lucia as a perfect example shes off getting money and all that dumb shit because she isnt aware shes already dead lol that can go for everyone else who wasnt at the church or they just dont have someone to remind them.

AND JUST SO EVERYONE CAN BE AWARE OF THIS GREAT MOMENT, EMAC IS FIRST ON THE LAST REVIEW OF LAST. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I, EMAC, HAS WENT DOWN IN FILMFODDER LOST KEYPOINTS REVIEW HISTORY!!!!!!! WHENEVER SOMEONE READS THE FINAL REVIEW OF LOST 20 YEARS FROM NOW AFTER THEY JUST WATCHED ALL 6 SEASONS ON SUPER BLURAY DVD AND THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WERE THINING AND WRITING ALL THOSE YEARS AGO THEY WILL SEE MY NAME AS THE FIRST COMMENT. IM SO EXCITED AND YOU GUYS ARE GREAT, A REALLY GREAT COMMUNITY, THANKS FOR MAKING LOST SUCH A GREAT SHOW AND BRINGING THE SERIES TO LIFE AND SOMETHING WE CAN AL ESCAPE INTO. THANKS YOU GUYS

#410. Posted by: EMAC at May 24, 2010 2:17 AM