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trustno1
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posted 08-14-2000 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the place to talk about the next Jack Ryan movie.

You can also keep up on the latest Ryan news on the movie's spotlight page:

Jack Ryan spotlight page

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Nahal
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posted 08-16-2000 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nahal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who else is hoping that this film is sabotaged and derailed in the preproduction processes? I can't stand the idea of a Gen X Jack Ryan. The whole idea of Jack Ryan is that he's a middle aged analyst, more brain than brawn but with guts to spare. No offense to Affleck or his fans, but his typical roles are ignorant young smart@sses and that role suits him. He plays it well. Jack Ryan is not an ignorant young smart@ss and if you've read "Sum of All Fears" it's not exactly a storyline that can be carried particularly well by an ignorant young smart@ss wannabe analyst. I may just have to skip this one.

I would have said go back to Baldwin, his career could use the help and he did a great job in Hunt for Red October.

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trustno1
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posted 08-16-2000 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nahal: I'm also in the group that wants to see Baldwin return. Furthermore, I'd like to see John McTiernan (the director of "October") bring his brand of "smart-action" to the next Ryan movie.

Casting Affleck is a desperate attempt to appeal to a younger age group, but I believe that if you make a legitimately entertaining movie with virtually any star, it'll work.

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Nahal
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posted 08-16-2000 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nahal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll get no disagreements here on the fact that a good film with any workable star will equal success. I just don't think it will be anywhere near the caliber of the other films. Also, much of the storyline will have to be reworked if you want to make a Gen Xer the star. The main character is written as a middle aged guy, not a twenty something, the whole Ryan personna will pretty much have to be scrapped.

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Cole
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posted 10-24-2000 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm, I'm new here, but I'm a huge Clancy fan, and find that the rewriting of the script to fit a younger Jack Ryan is horrible. A script shouldn't have to adapt to the actor, the whole point of acting is to adapt to the script. Hell, if you want someone else, use Baldwin, Pierce Brosnan, or if you want gen-X but someone a little older looking, Brad Pitt (I hate to say that cause he's too cutesy, but he ages easily). Here is a short list of what will be missed with a younger actor...

1. The family. Not only is Cathy a integral part of one plot against Ryan (she has some awesome lines against her husband's female rival, who started some nasty rumors), but the family gives Jack a reason to fight this nuclear exchange.

2. The nasty rumors (of an affair) mentioned above would not exist if he was unmarried, and if his rank was lowered in deference to Affleck's age. Both of these rumors I have read on other websites. And the result of that conflict provides some confict later with the President, since he's sleeping with the female rival.

3. The rank of DDI is also needed if you want to proceed chronologically with the series. Remember, he is supposed to be the youngest DDI, but still in about mid-late thirties. Especially if you want to make Debt of Honor and Executive Orders, all of which have more captivating plots but need the background from SoAF.

As a question, will Willem DaFoe return as John Clark? And who played Chavez? That could improve the movie somewhat.

Ok eough venting. If I have insulted the intelligence of anyone by giving the plot away of a book you've already read, I'm sorry. I'm just flustered.

--Cole

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trustno1
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posted 10-24-2000 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cole: Welcome and thanks for the astute analysis. Seriously, your points are well argued. It's been years since I read a Clancy book; I'm not even sure if I read Sum of All Fears, but based on what you've written I'd say the script writing team has a monumental challenge in front of it. A challenge that really shouldn't be attempted.

Affleck isn't Ryan -- I wish the studio would realize the folly of their ways.

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PJ-HTCF
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posted 02-27-2001 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PJ-HTCF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest problem with the new movie is that I'd rather see "Debt of Honor" or "Rainbow Six" done, or, God willing, "Executive Orders" made into a movie staring one of the two origional Jack Ryans. (there is no perfect actor to play Jack Ryan. Ford and Baldwin both had their strengths & weaknesses, but neither was bad)I'm sure "Sum" will be great, but that's just not my favorite book.

P.S. if Debt through Bear&Dragon were all three made & released as a trilogy, I could die happy

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Rocketmonkey
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posted 03-07-2001 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocketmonkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Baldwin was a moron for not sticking around...he went on to make much better peices of art(crap)...Clancy himself said Ford was too old but what could he do..Clancy's only a writer...many of whom are raped creatively by everyone in Hollywood...the sad thing is Affleck is what this material needs...a good kick in the ass to jumpstart a dying series.

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Rocketmonkey
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posted 03-07-2001 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocketmonkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Baldwin was a moron for not sticking around...he went on to make much better peices of art(crap)...Clancy himself said Ford was too old but what could he do..Clancy's only a writer...many of whom are raped creatively by everyone in Hollywood...the sad thing is Affleck is what this material needs...a good kick in the ass to jumpstart a dying series.

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Nahal
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posted 03-08-2001 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nahal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I wanted this movie derailed before, now I just want it to die. Making Jack Ryan younger makes no sense whatsoever and I won't be able to sit and watch Affleck butcher the character with another performance like the insipid one he delivered in 'Armageddon.' It's also true that neither Debt of honor nor Dragon and the Bear will be possible if they decide to break the continuum. Since Debt of Honor picks up immediately where Sum of All Fears ends, they're needlessly destroying any chance at making future films. I may just skip the whole lot of these films since I can't stomach the idea of watching more of the same five 'middle eastern terrorist guys' in Hollywood reinforce stereotypes any more than I can watch Affleck sabotage continuity.

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argonauta
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posted 03-08-2001 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argonauta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The script will be they key. Writing a screenplay that pulls Clancy books together can't be a piece of cake. There's TOO MUCH story! Afflek can act - but I don't see him as Ryan ...

I REALLY want to see Rainbow Six carried off well - and if this one flops, the chances of that are more and more remote.

If they are going to bring in a new character, why not someone who can see them through a couple more. Baldwin would be my first choice. Or go with someone like Gabriel Byrne (or Tim Matheson )

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Wolfie
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posted 03-09-2001 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolfie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uhhh who is jack ryan and why are they making a movie about him?

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trustno1
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posted 03-09-2001 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jack Ryan is the main character in many of Tom Clancy's novels. "The Hunt for Red October," "Patriot Games," and "Clear and Present Danger" are the three films with him at the center.

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Wolfie
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posted 03-09-2001 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolfie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah no wonder i don't know who he is...umm how is it posible that he is in ALL his stories? i don't get it...

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Nathan
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posted 07-22-2001 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nathan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I an hearing, Sum of All Fears on screen is likely shaping uo to be disaster. Yeah, it might make some money, do well even at the box office, but it will only be as one of many see-and-forget action flicks with lots of special effects and explosions and very little real suspense or meaning and sense of depth (as Clancy novel have more often than not.) It will not look like the book or likely have much redeeming quality to it.

The replacement of Ford with a much younger and very different actor like Affleck is a big mistake. Not that Affleck is terrible; just that he does not suit the character at all. He does not have the presence or maturity, especially for drama of this kind. He will likely bring a freshman or frat-boy sort of laid-back attitude. That is what he does, he does it well, but it does not suit this role or style of film. The required changes, particularly around the age issue, will destroy any continuity and connection with the previous films, as well as ruining what I feel is one of Clancy's best books.

Baldwin might have been a good choice, since he was fine in Hunt for Red October, which was the best film adaptation of a book I have even seen, and the best film of the series. And McTiernan as director would have been and excellent choice with real possibilities!

This series is dying, though, as Patriot Games was an average film, and the film version of Clear and Present Danger ruined what was an excellent book. (This is not due to Ford, who was a descent Jack Ryan, but just because of bad adaptation writing, and partly because of compromises made in order to secure the offical help of the US military.). Sum of All Fears is better than the following book, Debt of Honor, and much better than Executive Orders (which I suffered through). So the material isn't getting any better. I doubt if the series, as it stands, will life past this mistake. Only Batman could survive this many hero actor changes!

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Al Pond
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posted 08-18-2001 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Pond     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we need to wait to see this film before condemning it. From what I've heard, there are FEWER explosions and special effects and gunfights, and MORE suspense in this one than the past few.

Here's Jeffrey Wells's column in reel.com from February after he read the shooting script.


I laughed last year when Ben Affleck was hired to play CIA operator Jack Ryan in Paramount's The Sum of All Fears, a nuclear-terror drama that's about to start production in Montreal under director Phil Alden Robinson. But I may have laughed too soon.
It was hard not to smirk when the news broke that Affleck would be replacing Harrison Ford, who'd played and pretty much defined Ryan in 1992's Patriot Games and '94's Clear and Present Danger. The 27-year-old actor seemed way too young to play an eye-level advisor and confidante of top-level Washington types, a status that Ryan had risen to in Danger.

Especially considering that a March 2000 version of the Sum of All Fears script (by Akiva Goldsman and Paul Attanasio, and obviously written with Ford in mind), had scenes in which Ryan plays serious poker and speaks very bluntly with the U.S. president, the Russian premier, and various other top-level, middle-aged honchos.

I mean, c'mon. The White House team is eyeball-to-eyeball with the Russians during a nuclear showdown, and they're going to listen to that guy with the goatee in Chasing Amy for advice?

But now I've gotten hold of a two-month-old draft (dated December 8, 2000, with revisions by Daniel Pyne and Robinson) that reflects the Affleck casting, and guess what? It works.

Here's why: Instead of trying to convince us that Affleck is the new Harrison Ford, Pyne and Robinson have, in a manner of speaking, split the Ryan character in two. The seasoned advisor dialogue that Ford would have spoken is now being voiced by a senior CIA official named Cabot (Morgan Freeman). Cabot, in turn, is mentoring the young Jack Ryan (Affleck), a CIA operative who's written a study of a new Russian premier who's just assumed power, which keeps him inside the power loop since the Russian leader figures prominently in the film's extremely tense story line.



In other words, Freeman and Affleck are playing an "older cop/younger cop" team along the lines of the relationship Freeman had with Brad Pitt's detective in Seven, except that Affleck's Ryan is a lot smarter, more ambitious, and more diplomatic. (He also has a girlfriend.) Following a not-unfamiliar dramatic arc, this dynamic changes at the end of Act Two and Ryan is forced to stand up and fend for himself.
The March 2000 Ford script was longish (145 pages) with scenes that tended to go on a while. It was a first-rate thriller, but it also had a bit of a reflective, middle-aged attitude. The Affleck version is 22 pages shorter, and seems to be paced more like a younger man's film.

The basic scenario in The Sum of All Fears is that in today's world, nuclear devices are no longer strictly controlled by super-powers and are being bought, sold, and detonated by rogue elements.

Anyone who's read the original Tom Clancy novel knows that the centerpiece is a nuclear explosion that happens during a Super Bowl game. In the various Ford versions, the blast happened at the New Orleans Superdome. Now, in the new Affleck version, it happens at the Baltimore Stadium, the home of the Ravens. Either way, this is going to be one hell of a sequence.

In the Ford version, the U.S. president is watching the game in New Orleans and dies in the blast, leaving his avaricious, trigger-happy vice president to run things. I won't say what happens in the Affleck version, but the effects of the nuclear blast are now different.

One more interesting difference: In both scripts the nuclear device behind the Super Bowl blast is a relic (left over from the 1973 Yom Kippur War) that has been dug up in the Jordanian desert and sold to a freelance arms merchant. In the Ford script, the finders of the device, ignorant of its true value, sell it for $1,000. In the Affleck draft they accept $400. Why did Pyne and Robinson drop the price?

Robinson and producer Mace Neufeld will begin shooting Sum of All Fears in Montreal on February 12. Paramount is preparing a press release that will divulge most of the cast, and they didn't feel like giving me an exclusive. But they tipped me off about Freeman, and for that I'm grateful.



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Al Pond
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posted 11-17-2001 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Pond     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And now they've had their first test screening, and from what I read on Aint It Cool News, it was very successful. Read the reviews.

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trustno1
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posted 11-18-2001 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Al -- you have a link?

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Al Pond
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posted 11-19-2001 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Pond     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/

Do a search for "Sum of All Fears" - use the quotes.

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