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AndreasG2000
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posted 05-29-2003 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AndreasG2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know where to find a reloaded rip or copy because i have searched the whole of kazaa and cant find one .Also a longer trailer from the revoltuion film, all i casn find is a 1 minute 19 version, which quite frankly is shite

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Jebus
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posted 05-29-2003 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jebus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Ebola,

The flight of the osiris animation takes place before Reloaded. You people need to play the Matrix game. The Osiris was ambushed by machines that were digging and they sent a final broadcast to warn everyone.

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DoogsDC
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posted 05-29-2003 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DoogsDC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed someone asked what the significance of Neo's original name was. I watched something on the history channel recently explaining the role of the apostle Thomas in the story of Jesus. In order to be sure that Jesus had been resurrected, Thomas asked to put his fingers in Jesus' wounds in order to be sure of the authenticity. Because of this, the scholars said that Thomas was referred to as "the doubter" since he was the only one to doubt the resurrection and accept it on faith alone.
Thomas Anderson doubts the authenticity of the matrix and the real world both. Perhaps this was the reason for using the name Thomas.

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Jebus
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posted 05-29-2003 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jebus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This last one here is just something i kinda of thought of....
5. Persephone...Now why would she just want a kiss...and why did she put on lipstick...I just find it kinda strange...and you can hear a faint buzzing noise as there coming out of the kiss. I think she may have a bigger part then we all think.


Nope, I dont think so. Again referencing the game, Pesrsephone also kisses Niobe. She just wants to know what it feels like to be loved. So if she secretly gave Neo some kind of power then Niobe should have it too.

I just want to point out that the movies, game, and the upcoming animated shorts are all part of the same story. To truly understand all that is going on, you must experience all of it.

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Xcubetion
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posted 05-29-2003 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xcubetion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MY CONCLUSION TO MATRIX "RELOADED"

I have watched this movie for quite sometime, it has seperated many fans (to those who still want to really understand the plot of this movie).

First off, there is MANY people coming up with conclusion about the movie when as stated the movie is to be 'concluded'.

What needs focus is what happened on Matrix Reloaded..

And so my conclusion about MATRIX RELOADED (Matrix reloaded only!!)

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In this film they showed the Oracle was a program and she is a 'control' to lead the ONE to their purpose.. the entire process for 'the one' is a control for people in Zion to have belief.. from what i understand is that NEO has a code that MUST be passed.. the matrix is a program that needs to be maintained.. the one - whoever they might be, is an 'anomaly' and the codes he carries must be in the matrix so it can run properly (the one,the search,the 'rebels' like trinity,morpheus are all part of it)--- they did all see the ORACLE..thus the controls are set for 'the one' to - as always get to their purpose.. mainframe (the TV room)---as Neo stated
"the one wasn't here to end anything, it was all just another system of control"


Now, on the TV room it was explained.. i dont think you really need to look up the dictionary for every word the 'architect' said.. it pretty much gives enough explanation.
From what they talked about there and other parts of the movie, that is what i understood after watching this movie a good amount of times.

Also on this room, i believe Neo made a choice (a wrong choice for the programs).. save trinity (even though the ARCHITECT told him she will die) and the end of Zion.. he did not choose to get the code he carries to be reinserted in the matrix and the rebuild of Zion which means is the 'reloading' process AGAIN.


Neo's path was different from the previous ones, again as stated because of love.

With that said, the ending when Neo destroys the machines in the REAL WORLD.. there is no answer to that yet.. he says 'something is different.. i can feel them' --- any here can go to their theories but there is no TRUE answer yet----is it because its another matrix... is it because of Smiths/Neo connection?--no one said..is it because another ship (the one that picked them up) pulled a EMP?? YOU COME UP WITH ANYTHING YOU WANT!

This movie, as always like any book.. the answer and what was needed to be understood was given.. "to be concluded" is a book half open.

No matter how you put it, Matrix Reloaded pretty much left a splinter on your mind with questions that cannot be answered YET.


ENOUGH SAID---I hope i can get a amen.

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Question i have for ANYONE is simple.. Who is the guy on Zion.. the guy that like Neo.. the one that tells Neo he said saved him--because honestly i dont remember him from the first..and i dont remember Neo saiving anyone at all.
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"To Be Concluded"

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NeoMorph
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posted 05-29-2003 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeoMorph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question i have for ANYONE is simple.. Who is the guy on Zion.. the guy that like Neo.. the one that tells Neo he said saved him--because honestly i dont remember him from the first..and i dont remember Neo saiving anyone at all.
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Your post is a good one...and you are correct that no one knows the answers because it is not explained yet. I even said this. What people are doing here is coming up with their theories and observations, not really an concrete conclusions to the movie.

To answer your question, you and most others need to watch "the animatrix". It, like the game that you need to play, explains SOME holes in the movie and allows for more theories and speculations.

Now finally your answer...the boy from the movie, as explained in the animatrix movie, wakes up on his own with no one's help. He just believes it and wakes up. Now he is not special...there are others that just wake up from the system.

K-

Watch the animatrix, play and beat the game, and read some books.

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MRM
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posted 05-29-2003 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MRM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HoriRori:
Misery restrains us from higher thought.


Not true, actually it's quite the opposite; misery, emotional pain and misfortune are the foundation of modern religion, philosophy and self-examination. All these are products of 'higher thought'. Read any modern philosophy book and you can glimpse into the author's dissatisfaction with their own life and the lives of those around them, which in turn has lead to them questioning everything and everyone.

Isn't Neo 'miserable' in M1 (can't sleep, lives alone, has no friends, hates his job)? isn't this 'misery' the reason he questions his own existence and ultimately drives him to search for the truth? - Morpheus asks him "you want to know, what is the matrix?"

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markjoes
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posted 05-29-2003 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for markjoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NeoMorph:
Question i have for ANYONE is simple.. Who is the guy on Zion.. the guy that like Neo.. the one that tells Neo he said saved him--because honestly i dont remember him from the first..and i dont remember Neo saiving anyone at all.

I think this boy is actually in the first movie. I think he is the Spoon boy. He gave Neo a spoon, I think it was actually himself who made it.

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NeoMorph
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posted 05-29-2003 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeoMorph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by markjoes:
I think this boy is actually in the first movie. I think he is the Spoon boy. He gave Neo a spoon, I think it was actually himself who made it.

Umm, that doesn't make sense. The boy in the first Matrix says "there is no spoon...blah blah". This young guy said that a kid told him to give it to Neo. The young guy believed and just woke up from the matrix. Hell this guy didn't have near the intellect the young boy did in the movie.

X on this theory.

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havenfx
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posted 05-29-2003 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for havenfx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ive been very lazy to register but ive read all the posts and ive got to say..you guys are a bunch of idiots..nah jk..but anyways imma put this one up for you guys to ponder about..

If Neo can manipulate the matrix(break rules and shit) what is keeping neo from going through walls or teleporting or reading people's minds. He should be able to do this.

Also, someone in an earlier post talked about morpheus saying "he fights for us" in "in disbelief" in the revolutions trailer. I believe he was talking to someone else because of the facial expression on his face and the eye contact. But im not gonna get too deep in the puddle of shit..just face the facts from matrix 1 and 2..stop spectulating what gonna happen because you know you arent right and just wait til november

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sky_wayz
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posted 05-29-2003 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sky_wayz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To Havenfx
Neo can't go throught walls because "the one can only "bend the rules" he can't break them. As it is explained in the first movie

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sky_wayz
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posted 05-29-2003 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sky_wayz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In response to Neomorph
From your quote:Originally posted by NeoMorph:
Question i have for ANYONE is simple.. Who is the guy on Zion.. the guy that like Neo.. the one that tells Neo he said saved him--because honestly i dont remember him from the first..and i dont remember Neo saiving anyone at all.

That is just a random guuy that Neo saved during Matrix 1 and 2. Alot has happened during that time. i.e Tank not dying (but there are reasons why he isn't in the second movie.)

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havenfx
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posted 05-29-2003 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for havenfx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sky_wayz:
To Havenfx
Neo can't go throught walls because "the one can only "bend the rules" he can't break them. As it is explained in the first movie

actually if you can remember during the kung-fu scene in matrix 1 morpheus said something along the lines of "the rules can be bent or even broken"

and i really want to say tank dies in matrix 1 even though they dont show it because zee does say she "lost two brothers to that ship and i dont want to lose you (link)" so i want to say tank dies when the sentinels are trying to destroy the neb at the very end of matrix 1..i belive the sentinels kill tank and then morpheus discharges the EMP..

speaking of EMP, i was reading in an earlier post that it couldnt have been an EMP that neo used to stop the machines in M2 but if you've ever seen the new and awesome ocean's eleven movie, then you might remember the black guy part of the heist. As you might remember, he is depended on providing a pinch to shut down Las Vegas' electricity. As he described it "a nucleur weapon releases a devestating blast along with an electromagnetic pulse which shuts down any power source in a certain radius but the blast destroys everything you might use for power so the EMP is useless. But a pinch is a nuclear weapon without the destruction." Anyways, when the black guy turns on the pinch when it goes off you might recall that you see nothing but every power grid in Las Vegas shuts down. So i think the EMP blast that you always see in the matrix(that blue effect shit) is just an effect to clarify the EMP radius and for eye candy

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EBOLA
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posted 05-30-2003 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EBOLA     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jebus:
Actually Ebola,

The flight of the osiris animation takes place before Reloaded. You people need to play the Matrix game. The Osiris was ambushed by machines that were digging and they sent a final broadcast to warn everyone.



Jebus - Did say that it wasn't. Ofcourse it was before reloaded.

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shaun_lee30
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posted 05-30-2003 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaun_lee30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what I love about this movie. So much room for speculation. There are over what? 250,000 free people in ZION now, and only one of them is thanking the person who set them free. Unless he set himself free, I thought I saw a post about that? Either way, there must be some significance to that, or he would be just another one of the crazy orgy dancers from Zion! No way he is the boy bending a spoon though. Not only would that be corny, but the boy hand an accent and half of his brain must have been lost when he flushed out of the Matrix.
By the way, I still think that the sentinals were stopped by an EMP from the sabotage, not by NEO. Only thing I can think of other than that is that the sentinals are a product of yet another matrix, which means no happy ending, and that would be terrible

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posted 05-30-2003 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for no. 47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's something to think about. The first thing the oracle said to Neo when he arrived at the bench was, "I know you're not sleepy but will get to that" was she perhaps forshadowing his coma later on the movie?

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markjoes
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posted 05-30-2003 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for markjoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My theory (based on Greek myths).

There are now too many greek names, it would be foolish to ingore there place in the greek myths.

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Matrix Revolutions will involve The Mother (who is not the Oracle) in some way trying to get her daughter (Persephone: daughter (sub program) of The Mother & The Architect) back from Merovignian. Merovignian originally kidnapped the program of Persephone after asking for her from the Architect. The Architect would not say Yes or No.

The Mother found out of The Architects secret from a new character who overhead the conversation (exchange). The Mother will give this character (program) the gift to sow human crop fields. The Mother will be the original crop sower and overseer of the pods.

Since Persephones' kidnap, the Mother has been destroying human crops in rebellion to the Architect and not keeping a look over the pods. Therefore allowing too many to awake from The Matrix.

The Architect realises the seriousness of the problem, with The Mother destroying crops (and thus allowing more people to escape the Matrix?) and he will either in someway use Neo or a new character (I think something like Hermes the name might be) to get a message to Merovignian (the rogue program) to release Persephone before The Mother destroys everything. Please note Merovignian is now a rogue program, quite like the Viral twins.

Eventually Merovignian and The Mother will make a deal (via Neos help) to share her (or her program) and The Mother wil stop killing crops, everything will return to normal. The Matrix will function fully.

I am sure the Mother and the Architect or at battle with each other, still not sure which one is responsible for the attack on Zion?

So what about the Oracle? I think Merovignian is the one responsible for trying to hunt the Oracle down. She is the only one who can lead Neo in the right direction. The Mother has no need to get rid of the Oracle, nor does the Architect. They both want the same thing, the return of Persephone, something that Merovignian will not want. Might turn out he is the one responsible for the Agents and Smith i.e. he created them?

The myth concludes that Persephone spends time (as laid out in the deal) with both the kidnapper (Merovignian) and the Mother. Maybe the Architect will copy her program?

Maybe even The Mother will reward Neo (if he is the one to return Persephone) and allow those that have escaped The Matrix and the inhabitants of Zion to co-exist on Earth?

Maybe, maybe not.

For more links to this theory see previous posts PERSEPHONE and THE MOTHER.

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AndreasG2000
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posted 05-30-2003 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AndreasG2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by no. 47:
here's something to think about. The first thing the oracle said to Neo when he arrived at the bench was, "I know you're not sleepy but will get to that" was she perhaps forshadowing his coma later on the movie?

ur stupid she said "i know your not sleeping we will get to that" becoz neo was having the dreams about trinity which turn out to be the truth therefore the choice at the end of the film!

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NeoMorph
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posted 05-30-2003 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeoMorph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, gotta correct some things I have read or I'll go crazy.

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From your quote:Originally posted by NeoMorph:
Question i have for ANYONE is simple.. Who is the guy on Zion.. the guy that like Neo.. the one that tells Neo he said saved him--because honestly i dont remember him from the first..and i dont remember Neo saiving anyone at all.
That is just a random guuy that Neo saved during Matrix 1 and 2. Alot has happened during that time. i.e Tank not dying (but there are reasons why he isn't in the second movie.)

I did not make that quote. I made a response to that quote that someone else posted. Read previous posts. Also, the guy that played Tank is Chong's (from Cheech and Chong) adopted son. No word why he wasn't in the second movie, but he (Tank) was not happy about it. Hollywood stuff.

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By the way, I still think that the sentinals were stopped by an EMP from the sabotage, not by NEO.

I can't believe that these is still being brought up. For one, the timeline does not work out right. The sabotage could not have happened the exact same time as Neo walking out of the Neb. Listen carefully...
Ok, did the ship that saved them (the one that went looking for survivors AFTER the attack) use super warp speed/time machine to run around the battle area to search for survivors (after the EMP blast AND squiddy battle) pick up Bane, then super speed fly to where Neo was in about 30 seconds???
The answer is NO, of course not. That just does not work. Now another explanation on the squiddy's falling dead, after being "zapped" by something needs to be addressed.

Look at it as it is...Neo felt different, and it seemed he knew the squiddy's were around the corner, put up his hand and JERKED around just a bit (like the squiddy's did) and the squiddys fell and he fell. It's pretty freakin obvious that whatever happened they BOTH involve Neo and the Squiddys. Neo also fell AFTER the squiddys fell, not the same time.

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here's something to think about. The first thing the oracle said to Neo when he arrived at the bench was, "I know you're not sleepy but will get to that" was she perhaps forshadowing his coma later on the movie?

She said SLEEPING, not SLEEPY. Neo had not been sleeping much, as shown by the councilor scene in the movie.

I hope that confused the masses again.

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shaun_lee30
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posted 05-30-2003 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shaun_lee30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah..I know about the timeline, and it doesn't fit one bit, just don't like the idea that the "real" worl dis also a matrix or neo can control sentinals outside of the matrix. My idea gets a thumbs down.

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MRM
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posted 05-30-2003 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MRM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by markjoes:
My theory (based on Greek myths).

There are now too many greek names, it would be foolish to ingore there place in the greek myths.

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Matrix Revolutions will involve The Mother (who is not the Oracle) in some way trying to get her daughter (Persephone: daughter (sub program) of The Mother & The Architect) back from Merovignian. Merovignian originally kidnapped the program of Persephone after asking for her from the Architect. The Architect would not say Yes or No.

The Mother found out of The Architects secret from a new character who overhead the conversation (exchange). The Mother will give this character (program) the gift to sow human crop fields. The Mother will be the original crop sower and overseer of the pods.

Since Persephones' kidnap, the Mother has been destroying human crops in rebellion to the Architect and not keeping a look over the pods. Therefore allowing too many to awake from The Matrix.

The Architect realises the seriousness of the problem, with The Mother destroying crops (and thus allowing more people to escape the Matrix?) and he will either in someway use Neo or a new character (I think something like Hermes the name might be) to get a message to Merovignian (the rogue program) to release Persephone before The Mother destroys everything. Please note Merovignian is now a rogue program, quite like the Viral twins.

Eventually Merovignian and The Mother will make a deal (via Neos help) to share her (or her program) and The Mother wil stop killing crops, everything will return to normal. The Matrix will function fully.

I am sure the Mother and the Architect or at battle with each other, still not sure which one is responsible for the attack on Zion?

So what about the Oracle? I think Merovignian is the one responsible for trying to hunt the Oracle down. She is the only one who can lead Neo in the right direction. The Mother has no need to get rid of the Oracle, nor does the Architect. They both want the same thing, the return of Persephone, something that Merovignian will not want. Might turn out he is the one responsible for the Agents and Smith i.e. he created them?

The myth concludes that Persephone spends time (as laid out in the deal) with both the kidnapper (Merovignian) and the Mother. Maybe the Architect will copy her program?

Maybe even The Mother will reward Neo (if he is the one to return Persephone) and allow those that have escaped The Matrix and the inhabitants of Zion to co-exist on Earth?

Maybe, maybe not.

For more links to this theory see previous posts PERSEPHONE and THE MOTHER.


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AndreasG2000
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posted 05-30-2003 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AndreasG2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by havenfx:
actually if you can remember during the kung-fu scene in matrix 1 morpheus said something along the lines of "the rules can be bent or even broken"

and i really want to say tank dies in matrix 1 even though they dont show it because zee does say she "lost two brothers to that ship and i dont want to lose you (link)" so i want to say tank dies when the sentinels are trying to destroy the neb at the very end of matrix 1..i belive the sentinels kill tank and then morpheus discharges the EMP..

speaking of EMP, i was reading in an earlier post that it couldnt have been an EMP that neo used to stop the machines in M2 but if you've ever seen the new and awesome ocean's eleven movie, then you might remember the black guy part of the heist. As you might remember, he is depended on providing a pinch to shut down Las Vegas' electricity. As he described it "a nucleur weapon releases a devestating blast along with an electromagnetic pulse which shuts down any power source in a certain radius but the blast destroys everything you might use for power so the EMP is useless. But a pinch is a nuclear weapon without the destruction." Anyways, when the black guy turns on the pinch when it goes off you might recall that you see nothing but every power grid in Las Vegas shuts down. So i think the EMP blast that you always see in the matrix(that blue effect shit) is just an effect to clarify the EMP radius and for eye candy

[This message has been edited by havenfx (edited 05-29-2003).]



WHY DOES NEO FALL TO THE GROUND AND GO INTO A COMA THEN WHEN TRINITY LINK AND MORPHEUS ARE ALL FINE????

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[This message has been edited by havenfx (edited 05-29-2003).][/b][/QUOTE]
WHY DOES NEO FALL TO THE GROUND AND GO INTO A COMA THEN WHEN TRINITY LINK AND MORPHEUS ARE ALL FINE????[/B][/QUOTE]

Maybe because he(Neo) was the one that did "something" extraordinary and passed out from the experience. This question will not be able to answer until you se M3...period.

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posted 05-30-2003 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Menace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if Neo used EMP or not but he did hold up his hand and stop the sentinels. Also, in the video game Enter the Matrix the new Oracle tells Niobe that Neo is now trapped between the Matrix world and the real world and that it will take Trinity to get him out of that hell.

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posted 05-30-2003 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Omega     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Architect never said Neo would be eliminated once he entered the Source. The code he carried would be assimilated, and he’d be allowed to take 23 people with him, to build a NEW Zion, so that when the next One appears, the Architect would have a mean of black-mailing that One to again chose the door that leads to Zion and so on and so forth endlessly. The Architect explains it. The One/Anomaly is a programming anomaly. The Matrix works flawlessly, but because of the choices the humans plugged into it is given, it creates a paradox, since they don’t really have a choice, and the anomaly: One mind that can control the system appears from time to time. The prophecy is another kind of control, designed to make sure the One returns to the Source when Zion is about to be destroyed, and rebuilds a new Zion. The beginning (of the new Zion) and the end (of the old Zion).

The matrix-within-the-matrix is not needed to explain what is happening, if we remember one thing. The Keymaker said the door Neo had to go through lead to the Source. Maybe the Architect and his room is already part of the Source. The machine mainframe. Neo was never ever meant to chose to return to the Matrix anyways. And so with Menaces tidbit of info from the videogame, it seems that Neo can stop the sentinels because he is both in the real world and in the Matrix.


So no, there is no EMP close to Neo and co. at the end of Reloaded. Neo even says “Something is different. I can feel them.” Them meaning the sentinels. And as he stops bullets, he stops the sentinels. IMHO because he’s somehow connected with the source.

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quote:
Originally posted by no. 47:
i think the mother of the matrix is someone who hasn't been introduced yet, because that I have a strong feeling about the voice from the Revolutions trailer is hers and I don't seem to recognize it from anyone else.

The woman speaking in the revolutions trailer was the Oracle. It doesn't sound like her because, technically, it's not her. The actress who played the Oracle, Gloria Foster, died of diabetes before filming for the third movie began. The "new" Oracle is seen in Enter the Matrix.

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[/QUOTE]Also, someone in an earlier post talked about morpheus saying "he fights for us" in "in disbelief" in the revolutions trailer. I believe he was talking to someone else because of the facial expression on his face and the eye contact. But im not gonna get too deep in the puddle of shit..just face the facts from matrix 1 and 2..stop spectulating what gonna happen because you know you arent right and just wait til november[/B][/QUOTE]

speculation is what keeps us all interested...heres one for you...just because the quote "he fights for us" comes during the fight between neo and smith, it doesnt mean morpheus actually says it then. They could have just dubbed it that way to make us all think that way. He could be talking about sereph!!

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posted 05-31-2003 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darksun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That kid in Zion (named Kid) is someone that Neo frees between Matrix I and Matrix II. His story will be explained in the Animatrix (Kid's Story).
In addition, I seriously doubt that an EMP was the explanation of the sentinels being destroyed at the end of Reloaded. If you have seen the first movie, there is always this sphere of blue lightning that extends from the ship when the EMP is triggered. It is a lot more likely that Neo has either (a) gained control over the machine world due to his connection with Smith or, even more likely, (b) that it is a matrix within a matrix.

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posted 05-31-2003 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AndreasG2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neomorphs quote about why he cant figure outwhy tank is in the 2nd movie is because he died, as his sister said to link " i have already lost two brothers to this war im not gonna lose you"

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Okay, so i posted thsi on the main forum, but it appears ppl only read this topic, so here ya go.....

this is my theory regarding the bloke in the matrix reloaded who tried to kill Neo at the start, and who was the sole survivor of Xion.... (note this has been slightly edited form my other post, if you read it)

I think he may be Agent Smith. Before you completely disregard this idea, please read my ideas.

Agent Smith says Neo 'set me free'. At first I though this was in reference to his ability to clone himself, then I though harder and realised he may mean set him free form the matrix (if you remember in the first film he said to morpheus he wanted out, and Morpheus was his key)

He could have downlaoded his mind into a bloke connected to the matrix, jsut before he was brought out.

It would explain why he was cutting himself at the start, he was experimenting with his new body (no innuendos of experimentation of the male body please, lol)

It would explain why he attempted on Neo's murder near the start.

He could have been the one who set off the early EMP or whatever it was which caused Xions downfall

He may have survived because he alone knew would have insider info as to the tactics the robot would use. Maybe he knew a place where he could hide out safely or something?

i think thats about everything. If there are any key moments/events/quotes I missed, please let me know, and I will try to explain them.

I look forward to constructive critism, or I look forward even more to 'Wow, your so insightful, I am honoured to be in your presence'

A special mystery prize goes to the first one to count all the typos i probably made in that post.

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(ps any SWG beta players out there - look out for me as Zerir Calin ;))

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Othyem> Remember that Gloria Foster, the actress who played the Oracle died during shooting of the movie. Since the character still had a role to play, she changes appearance. It is the voice of the new Oracle we hear in the Revolutions trailer.


Silaagu> We’ve been over the Bane=Smith a few times here now, already. No one doubts that Bane has been infected by Smith, since Banes avatar was infected in the Matrix. Smith has now managed the impossible. A program has taken over an unplugged human. Agents can’t do that.

So here is my theory:
Neo has touched the Source, and part of his mind remained in the Matrix, in the machine mainframe when he left the VR after rescuing Trinity.

This hypothesis is based on the following: Two times in M2 Neo dreams of present and future IN the Matrix, without being in the Matrix. How can he do that? Knowing that he’s “simply” a programming anomaly, his Avatar has the ability to reshape the Matrix almost as he sees fit, he can also read pre-set programming. But how can he do that, if he is not plugged in?
Because he is The One, as the Oracle answers one of his questions. The Oracle is truly on the side of the humans, at least this time, but she cannot fully escape her programming.
She has, however, left her usual place of residence. Why? She has many enemies, Seraph explains.
She didn’t seem to have that in M1. No golden-glowing kung-fu master attack program was protecting her there. No, the Oracle has decided to also disobey the system. Why? Maybe because of Smith, a new kind of equation. Seraph seems to know that Smith is coming, he ushers the Oracle away, just before the former agent makes his entrance on the scene.
And of course I still ponder at the RED piece of candy The Oracle gives Neo, which looks quite similar to the red pill. It is of course a program, and we see at the Merovingians restaurant that somethin gas harmless as a piece of cake can have profound effects on the ones eating it. Why not candy, too?
Now the Oracle can only send Neo to meet the Architect, and hope he understands his choice. She tells him he is not there to make a choice, but to understand why he made it. In M1 we see there are quite a few more and a lot younger potential Ones waiting in the Oracles apartment, who at the time bend the Matrix a lot better than Mr. Anderson does.
Neo was never meant to step out of the door, that theoretically spells the end of the human species (Because if he WAS, then the love between Neo and Trinity is just a third kind of control.). By stepping through the door to the Architects room, Neo made contact with the source. Since the Source as it is displayed in the Matrix still is IN the Matrix, it means it, too, is affected by the systemic anomaly. And Neo is in turn affected by it. He’s in touch with the grand remote control if you like. He stopped the sentinels, but that made him aware of his connection to the machine mainframe.

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quote:
Originally posted by Silaagu:

I think he may be Agent Smith. Before you completely disregard this idea, please read my ideas.

It is obvious that his mind is corrupted by Angent Smith, and it is also obvious that he set off the EMP early to aid the machines advances on Zion, this is all pretty well explained during the movie.

You see agent smith take over his body just before he exits the matrix and from then on he is intent on killing Neo/Sabotaging the hunmans defences against the attack on Zion.

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lol sorry guys, i thought i was being really clever. I missed the scene where he downloads into that geezers body, i must have went to the toilet or something at the time. Anyway, I'm watching the film today again so I'll look out for it. Thanks for the polite pointing out and not the giving of juvenile responses I am used to on some forums.

I just cant wait till number 3 when everything else will be explained.
The Matrix Online looks pretty cool too.

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quote:

Architect: Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another--An intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its Mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program


When the Architect says "Please" here, it seems almost a derogatory tone, almost to say "as if" to Neo's suggestion that the Oracle is the Mother that he speaks of.

The Architect never seems to confirm nor deny that the Oracle is the Mother, has this been covered here already or not? I personally havn't heard any hard evidence that the Oracle is in fact the Mother? Please correct me if i am wrong.

BTW: I realise that perhaps the Architect replied in a derogatory tone to down note the label of "Oracle" that she has been given by Neo and co. but this seems like a pretty weak leg to stand on given that he says "As i was saying" as if Neo interrupted him for, what he thought, was a rather silly suggestion?

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Silaagu> Happens to the best of us

Disturbed> There is no “hard” evidence to suggest the Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, no. Just is there is no real hard evidence that it is Persephone. But the Warchoski Brothers seem to utilize myths, legends and every piece of classic storytelling in the world, along with philosophy and Zen, so I went to look at some… names.
The Merovingian was a dynasty of french kings in what is now France and Germany in the 5th to 8th century, and was later the name of an order of the grail. The Merovingian Order of the Holy Grail. A coincidence here? Hardly
Persephone was the Greek legends myth daughter of Zeus and Demeter. Hades, the evil lord of the underworld went to his brother Zeus and asked to marry her. Zeus kinda said “yes” between the lines, knowing Demeter wouldn’t really think the king of death to be the best part for her daughter. So Hades abducted Persephone and took her to the underworld, where she eventually came to love the cold king of darkness. Demeter is fairly pissed, and Persephone wants to leave the underworld. Fortunately she hasn’t eaten anything down there, it would bind her to the underworld. But on the day she is to leave she does eat something. Oh, doom.
Okay try that with Demeter=The Oracle, Zeus=The Architect, Hades=The Merovingian and Persephone as herself. Along with the don’t eat any Hades-related stuff.
Persephone might be a program written by the Oracle and the Architect to keep an eye on exiled programs. The whole underworld theme is elaborated by ghosts, aliens, vampires and werewolves.
Might be an over interpretation, I agree. But imagine where we are just before revolutions opens!

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