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trustno1
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posted 08-14-2000 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the place to talk about The Matrix 2 and 3.

You can also keep up on the latest news on their spotlight pages:

Matrix 2 spotlight page

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Wolfie
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posted 08-16-2000 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolfie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
why are they making a 2 AND 3 why? why? the first one was horrid. and keanu reeves is about as good as an actor as a dead tree. oh why do they make me suffer so? WHY?

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trustno1
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posted 08-16-2000 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wolfie: You didn't like the Matrix? I'll admit that it had it's hokey moments (the "kiss" at the end is most notable), but the special effects and the story itself were exceptional.

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Wolfie
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posted 08-16-2000 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolfie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
god no, i HATED IT. it was so stupid and nothing but a huge add for nokia cell phones and long leather jakets. yeah the special effects were cool, but...i mean the plot good! come on! its like unless you take the red pill you'll live in the fake world and be eatin by the big mechanical aliens that REALLY rule the world. argh...i understand what they were trying and i really say TRYING, but i mean...god i would rather shoot myself in the foot then sit through a 2nd and 3rd movie (i hope you're reading this SYXX).
okay forgive my rant i just had to get this all out...
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argonauta
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posted 08-16-2000 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argonauta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wolfie - better get out the 1st Aid Kit because you ARE gonna have to sit through not one, but two more Matrix movies !!!! The Matrix took the leap forward and look at all the rip-offs ... the DVD release is the most popular ever ... and caused more than a few people to BUY a DVD player just to get it when it was released.

I understand the storylines have been done for a while and I'm chaffing to see the next one .... and the next.

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leia
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posted 08-17-2000 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought the Matrix was a great movie! When I first saw the previews I thought, "Oh God, another one of THESE," but when I saw it, the special effects and that kickass machine-gun scene at the end where they shot up the whole first floor of the building convinced me that this was indeed a worthy movie. Granted, it IS Keanu, and no, he can't act, but it was entertaining and that was what it was trying to be.

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syxx
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posted 08-19-2000 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for syxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I rented The Matrix but the DVD was so scratched I couldn't finish it. I got about halfway though but nothing I saw really lit a fire under me to see the 2nd half. The day has passed where special effects can keep me entertained for too long without those other little things like plot and acting. To be honest, I enjoyed Johnny Mnemonic more.

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Das Modell
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posted 09-03-2000 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Das Modell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked the Matrix because it was a bit of a Fantasy.

It also had very cool graphics.

Leia, that's exactly what I thought, I thought it wouldn't be too good, but when I saw it, I was blown away.

I never saw it in the theatre though because I was busy watching Star Wars.

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leia
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posted 12-07-2000 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's been a while since anyone's posted in here, but trustno1 advised me to post my theory about what's going to happen in the Matrix sequels. (This is just a little detail; nothing big.)

Remember how the Oracle predicts that Morpheus is going to sacrifice his life to save Neo's? Well, that didn't *exactly* happen in the Matrix--Morpheus *lives* in the end. So, possibly, the Oracle is predicting something that might happen in one of the sequels, and this time Morpheus will die. Which is horribly disappointing because I love Morpheus, I love Laurence Fishburne and I don't want him to die.

So I hope I'm wrong.

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wolfie_hater
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posted 08-26-2002 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wolfie_hater     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wolfie, syxx, you suck ass. The Matrix rasied the bar for all the movies that are now being released. It's a shame you morons can't seem to understand that. "The Matrix" is one fo the best movies that has ever been made and the sequels will be the only movies that can compete against it. You are morons. Thanks to you, everyone that reads this forum is dumber, I award you no points and may God have mercy on your souls.

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mgribler
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posted 10-21-2002 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mgribler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wolfie_hater:
wolfie, syxx, you suck ass. The Matrix rasied the bar for all the movies that are now being released. It's a shame you morons can't seem to understand that. "The Matrix" is one fo the best movies that has ever been made and the sequels will be the only movies that can compete against it. You are morons. Thanks to you, everyone that reads this forum is dumber, I award you no points and may God have mercy on your souls.

I agree with Wolfie the matrix was complete crap - although an imaginitive postulation. I suspect this was all a metaphor for the gigantic headache that I had at the end of the film.

Anyhow crash bang wallop - lets read books and somehow see that plot and characterisation would save bundles on special effects. Someone read a novel in hollywood for crissakes! At least the old studio moguls tried to uplift us culturally - this lot knows we are brain dead morons and will accept any old garbage as at least t will take us away from our trailer park for teh afternoon.

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matrix fanatic
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posted 02-01-2003 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matrix fanatic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wolfie: How can you dislike the matrix I agree with wolfie_hater the matirx is the best film ever made personaly i like it because of the philosophy the action and the storyline.
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Originally posted by wolfie_hater:
wolfie, syxx, you suck ass. The Matrix rasied the bar for all the movies that are now being released. It's a shame you morons can't seem to understand that. "The Matrix" is one fo the best movies that has ever been made and the sequels will be the only movies that can compete against it. You are morons. Thanks to you, everyone that reads this forum is dumber, I award you no points and may God have mercy on your souls.

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cheesenuts
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posted 02-02-2003 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cheesenuts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dont go see the sequals if you didnt like the first. How could you not like the first though? no appreciation of a quality plot? maybe you should go see some nice romantic comedies starring huge grant. I hate movies where technology rises above humanity and we have to battle for our own survival, how lame.

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cabindweller72
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posted 03-07-2003 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cabindweller72     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
m1 kicked ass, m2 will kick ass, and m3 will kick ass!!!

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MatrixDanzr
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posted 03-16-2003 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MatrixDanzr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reloaded baby!! The Matrix -- First DVD movie title to sell over 1 million copies. First EVER! 2003 is The Year of The Matrix, whether one out of a billion people like it or not. It will make billions, it will be #1 in the box office, etc. I'm sorry, but the Lord of the Rings is going down this year. We're Reloading to kick ass in the box office.

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ARCHREALM
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posted 04-12-2003 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARCHREALM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone see the new trailer released yesterday (Friday)? My god............


P.S. get ready to make a huge laugh at Terminator when it crashes and burns.......

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abbyshot.custom.clothiers
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posted 04-24-2003 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abbyshot.custom.clothiers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New uber-trailer from Mark Strube. You'll need quicktime.. it's big but it's worth it. Fan-made Trailer.

Also, AbbyShot has finally released the 'Lobby Reloaded' Trench Coat. Check it out here.

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Dilton
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posted 04-24-2003 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dilton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Watchowsky brothers would vomit reading this comments on this forum


Bunch of brainless americans

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SJerusalem
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posted 05-09-2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SJerusalem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trinity dies, but Neo revives her a'la the first Matrix... but while he's in the Matrix.
The keymaker dies a few scenes earlier, right as Neo reaches the source.
The neb gets destroyed. Everyone in Zion gets killed, except one person.
Neo discovers that he can stop sentinals... but he goes unconscious.
the construction of the Matrix has a flaw that people starts waking up randomly. It's inevitable, the machines cannot avoid this probability of this happening. As is the anomaly of having one human born with superhuman abilities in the Matrix.

Thus, the machines created this routine where they just let humans wake up and allow them to build a "Zion". The people are told that they have to go into the Matrix and find the "One" to end the war.
Neo is the seventh "one". Zion has already been wiped out and restarted several times. Thus... the Matrix "reloads".
The resistance THINKS its been about 100 years since their true origin. That's wrong. It's been more like 700 years. Everything morpheus has fought for and believed in will be challenged.
Keep a sharp eye out for a Jesus Christ picture in the movie somewhere. The first time they enter the matrix in this movie... you'll see it. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Jesus christ's pic just sitting there.

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teknoholic
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posted 05-15-2003 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teknoholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Trinity dies, but Neo revives her a'la the first Matrix... but while he's in the Matrix.
WTF was the point of that anyway?

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The keymaker dies a few scenes earlier, right as Neo reaches the source.
I liked that little guy...

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The neb gets destroyed. Everyone in Zion gets killed, except one person.
Why the hell didn't they show Zion falling? I don't think it really happened. I think they were just told that for some reason. That one person is Agent Smith inside some human's body

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Neo discovers that he can stop sentinals... but he goes unconscious.
That was COOL.

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the construction of the Matrix has a flaw that people starts waking up randomly. It's inevitable, the machines cannot avoid this probability of this happening. As is the anomaly of having one human born with superhuman abilities in the Matrix. Thus, the machines created this routine where they just let humans wake up and allow them to build a "Zion". The people are told that they have to go into the Matrix and find the "One" to end the war. Neo is the seventh "one". Zion has already been wiped out and restarted several times. Thus... the Matrix "reloads". The resistance THINKS its been about 100 years since their true origin. That's wrong. It's been more like 700 years. Everything morpheus has fought for and believed in will be challenged.
Oh is THAT it? I was wondering why there have been six of everything. But there has to be some reason why. Or this this some higher level of programmed FATE or something? ... You know how in the first movie morphius says that a man that could change the matrix to be anything that he wanted freed the first people? Was that the previous One? ... And since Neo chose the other door, does that mean that no one will be freed in the next version?

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Keep a sharp eye out for a Jesus Christ picture in the movie somewhere. The first time they enter the matrix in this movie... you'll see it. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Jesus christ's pic just sitting there.
Haha i missed that. My GF saw it with me and she said it was pretty obvious (not subliminal or anything) and there's also a bhudda and barbies and shit there too

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jelangfo
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posted 05-15-2003 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jelangfo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, so is this ending still part of the cycle that has happened six times already?? Not only that but what is going on in Revolutions? Why does Neo have to fight agent Smith? What humans are left? How do they win???

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shanethebassguy
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posted 05-15-2003 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shanethebassguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The neb gets destroyed. Everyone in Zion gets killed, except one person.
Neo discovers that he can stop sentinals... but he goes unconscious.

ok. i got a theory. i have no clue if its right. so please help me better understand it, and see if you agree.

The matrix is actually inside another matrix. where zion exists, along with the sentinals is actually a secondary matrix. My reasoning is that Neo somehow felt those sentinals and was able to destroy them.
Agent smith is reincarnated into the one survivor of the zion attack. is there a 2nd matrix that he now needs to get out of too???
Neo is different then all other anomalys before him because he fell in love and his emotion clouds reason but could that have been the REAL choice to save mankind?
my thoughts are not too well put together, email me to help me figure out more or post.

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winomonkey
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posted 05-15-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for winomonkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I enjoy how you all seem to make it sound as though the entire plot of this second film is hard to follow. Let's get a few things straight...

1) Zion doesn't get destroyed. It was the counter-attack group that was stopped by an EMP pulse set off prematurely, and then they were attacked by the sentinels. They haven't yet reached Zion. All of the CA deployment was destroyed, and then the machines continued their digging.

2) The one guy that survived the attack on the ships was the Bane character (or whatever his name was - I may have heard it incorrectly). I am pretty sure that agent Smith didn't have facial hair, and when the camera panned out to show who this "mysterious survivor" was, he had what could be called a "goatee".

3) The "Real World" that Neo woke up to in the first movie turns out to be another matrix in the sequel. That's why he "feels" the sentinels. That's how he has the power to stop them.

All in all, I feel that the movie was based upon far too much hype. The first film had some groundbreaking special effects and some great fight scenes. Of course, these effects have been used by pretty much everyone that can get their hands on it since then - movies, commercials, etc. This movie had nothing new in the effects department, and only a few fight scenes that are of any mentionable quality (the entrance to where they kept the key maker was pretty sweet, as was the chase scene with the twins). I was looking forward to the fight against the Smith-mob, but the computer animated look of it all certainly didn't do it for me. That, and the fact that the fight lasted far too long, made it far less than I had hoped. The plot was nothing great, some might go so far as to say "bad". The obvious parallel to the story of Christ is very similar to the first (the self-sacrifice, the healing, the resurrection, the choice to save yourself or your love - all things seen in the first film). Instead of the rave/Rob Zombie/whatever-you-want-to-call-it scene, they had the big tribal orgy thing. Not quite sure what else to say about it, though. I was not very happy about the movie, and I hope that Revolutions offers something better. Next time, I will wait until I have heard how good it is before I pre-buy a ticket. That's how little I liked it - I slightly regret having spent three hours on it (the driving, waiting, etc). I don't think that it is "the biggest film ever made", which was what everyone was saying about it...I don't know where else to go with this post...so...

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posted 05-15-2003 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frOzEn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure that the other guy that is lying unconcious in a coma with Neo is Mr. Smith. It only makes sense that it is him. Overall, I am disappointed, because this only says that the entire first and a large portion of the second movie is "fake."
What if Neo is in the process of being awakened into the True world? Being awakened from the Matrix involves bloody bubbles and being flushed from the system. What if being awakened into the True world involves a "program crash" in which the said person goes into a temporary coma? That's what I think is happening. Neo said something is different, that he could "feel" the sentinels. And in that way, everything the Architect told him, and now being able to control the sentinels -- he realizes that this world is just another program. And what happens when a person truly sees that? They are awakened.
When Neo and Morpheus are fighting Mr. Smith in the hallway, what did Mr. Smith say he wanted? "Everything." He was the one responsible for the EMP blast that disabled Zion's front defense line. And he was the sole survivor. In a coma, just like Neo. How? If what I said is true (and I think it is), that means Mr. Smith is being awakened as well. How can a mere program, even if it is above the rules as a type of "virus," be awakened? Why is he being awakened and what triggered it? Some things have to wait for the 3rd movie. I'm pretty sure it will be explained then.
My disappointment is just that, how am now supposed to trust the story? How do I know that Keeanu Reeves playing himself is not going to wake up from a "dream" at the end of the 3rd movie and say something stupid like, "Whooooah"? It was cool in the first MIB when the camera zoomed out to giant aliens playing marbles with the galaxies, but how many times can you get away with it? Too many times and it becomes a big cliche. What's the point of telling a story if at the end, the author says, "Just kidding." "There is no spoon." That was cool. 'not only is there no spoon, there is no you.' That's not cool.

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posted 05-15-2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AgentSmith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, for some of you who don't understand what was really going on. I have seen this totaly awesome movie 4 times already and some of it I still don't get. But what I have analyzed is that when Neo goes into the Source and talks to the architect, the architect tells him how Zion has fallen 6 times already. He says that the original Matrix was "perfect" however humans are not so the original Matrix failed. So he created a new Matrix and makes a balance of resitance and Machines. This is a simile comapred to Star Wars when there is a balance in the force (Dark Side, etc) However when Zion builds up so big and strong, the machines have to wipe them out before they can overthrow machines. Thus "Relaoded" everything and starting over ("Neo you can choose 26 people to rebuild Zion, 10 men 16 women.") Zion DOES get destroyed contrary to belief by "winomonkey member". The EMP was set off by Agent Smith in the Real World in that guy's body. That's the reason he was the sole survivor. The captain of the ship that picked up Morpheus and them said Zion was destroyed and there was ONE SOLE SURVIVOR (the guy in the comma, Agent Smith in a human body). The reason Agent Smith is in his body is because in the Matrix A.Smith takes copies himself into the guy. Thus taking over his mind and allowing an Agent into the Real World. Now I have not been able to analyze how Neo can feel the sentinells in the Real World (or even if he is in the Real World or just another Matrix, but I'm pretty sure its the real world), and I'm sure we are not supposed to know, that is what makes the Wachowski brothers total geniuses. We will not know the truth behind it all until "Revolutions" comes out in November. I will watch it several more times and analzye it extensively, but still it will be hard to understand the truth behind it all.

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posted 05-15-2003 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jf1020     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part 1 is one of my favorite movies, but reloaded was no competitor. the plot sucked. the fighting scenes were too long.

it would have been more useful on acid as a 1-hour tv-movie.

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Dpm77
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Was the sole purpose of creating the "other matrix/real world" to trap the human anomaly each time he is randomly born into the matrix?

I thought the jist of what the architect was saying is that Neo's actions, decisions, choices, etc. were too unpredictable and vaired as opposed to the rest of the humans. The only way to stop the anomaly would be to lure him into a situation where there were only two choices, with two distinct outcomes. (someone please correct me if I am wrong)

However, if indeed both the matrix and and the "real world" were programs, what real threat did Neo and Zion ever pose to the machines? Essentially they were never freeing anyone, just moving them from one slavery program to another.

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Was the sole purpose of creating the "other matrix/real world" to trap the human anomaly each time he is randomly born into the matrix?

I thought the jist of what the architect was saying is that Neo's actions, decisions, choices, etc. were too unpredictable and vaired as opposed to the rest of the humans. The only way to stop the anomaly would be to lure him into a situation where there were only two choices, with two distinct outcomes. (someone please correct me if I am wrong)

However, if indeed both the matrix and and the "real world" were programs, what real threat did Neo and Zion ever pose to the machines? Essentially they were never freeing anyone, just moving them from one slavery program to another.

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For those of you confused about the "Architect conversation"
(yah, photographic memory!)

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Architect: hello Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix I've been waiting for you.
You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not.
Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realise it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. you are the eventuallity of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden asciduously avoided it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexorably....here

Neo: You haven't answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting...that was quicker than the others.

(TV "Neo"s:
Others [how many others?] what others? answer my question!)

Architect: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

(Tv Neos:
5 ones before me? 4...3..2.. what are you talking about? There are only 2 possible explanations, either no one told me....)
Neo: ...or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic--creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

(Tv Neos:
You can't contol me!
I'm gonna smash the wall
I'll fukkin kill you!
etc..)

Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

Cut to Trinity vs Agent.

Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art...flawless, sublime. And triumphed equally only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus. I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another--An intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its Mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice...even if they were only awar e of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion.

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed--its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existance eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit
(TV Neos:
Bullshit!
Bullshit!
Bullshit!)

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured...this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.


Cut to Trinity vs Agent

Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you cary, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to selevt from the matrix 23 individuals--16 females, 7 male--to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world.
It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication--a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific--vis a vie..love.

Neo: Trinity.

Architect: Appropos, she entered the matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own.

Neo: No...

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end.
There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the matrix, to her and to the end of your Species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain-reaction--the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason--an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth...she is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Architect: Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

Architect: We won't.

Neo exits out of the left door.

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Dakotamatt
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I'm not convinced that the "real world" is another matrix. here's why:

1. If the "real world" is a program, outside of the 1st, then the Architect can see anything that goes on in this world. Thus he has seen it all happen 5 times before, and he wouldn't just be "very efficent", he would know every move Zion inhabitants would make.
2. I believe that Neo "absorbed" some quality from the Smith, much like Neo "freed" the Smith. Perhaps being inside the code of the smith enlightened neo on some level, and he can now control/sense/communicate with/etc the robots in the real world? I don't think that the only explaination for his act of sentinel destruction should be that the "real world" is in fact another program world.

A counter point to these arguments is that if the "Real World" is in fact real, then Neo, Trinity, Morpheous, etc. re-entering the matrix would present variables that would complicate the system harmony further than the Architect could control. By allowing the 1% of matrix citizens that did not choose to live that life to remove themselves into a second matrix world outside of the original, it lets them make a choice, the outcome is just to be controlled in a different fashion, however.
what do you think? I can't wait to see what the brothers have up their collective sleeves

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posted 05-15-2003 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dakotamatt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think Neo made the choice this time around that the Architect predicted he would make? Did love outweighing neo's sense of logic and reason figure into the big cheese's plans? And If the architect used Neo's love for all humans the past 5 times, and neo chose to "reload" the matrix those other 5 times, then this time was his decision to enter the door to the matrix not what happened before?!? Has neo escaped the loop?

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posted 05-15-2003 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for biggreenduke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Matrix Reloaded kinda sucked and it was such a let down. I liked the first one way better. This movie took too long on all of its scenes (the dance scene, the conversations, etc.,). I did like the fighting scenes, but its a typical movie with the stupid love (Trinity and Neo crap). I don't like the whole Matrix creator part either...it just took up time and made it less interesting. I think that a better trilogy might be...hmmmm... LORD OF THE RINGS!!!

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posted 05-15-2003 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously, there are two main differences between the other 5 reloads, and this one.

Firstly, 'The One' must choose to save Trinity, and thus could cause hesitance in the machines destruction of their primary power supply.

Secondly, and most importantly, a rebel program has escaped The Matrix and entered the real world, which could cause many differences of the fate of 'The One'.

Btw, humans can generate all that energy in a period of time, so isn't there a way to just exaust it all at one time, making a cheap little EMP? And obviously Smith's ability to do so is much more powerful than Neo's, since Smith is more accustom to using the full potential of an individual; he's just a program that would do anything with whatever he was using. And Neo just did it because he had a powerful will to save his friends.

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posted 05-16-2003 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mig-ru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just started reading Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baurdillard explains a lot of stuff. The so called "reality" in the movies is actually a simulation, no true reality exists, and The Matrix is a simulation of the simulation. This can be proven by Neo stopping the Sentinels after they escape from the Neb. Although I only read a few pages it explains a lot, go pick up a copy if you want to really know whats going on.

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posted 05-16-2003 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carl J     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off ... Zion isn't destroyed. The ships that were sent out were all destroyed, because of the "premature" EMP.

Secondly ... the one guy that survives, is the same guy that was "infected" by Agent Smith. If ya can't put 1 + 1 together, it was basically Smith who set off the EMP, and that's why he survived.

As for Zion being a 2nd Matrix, well, that's the conclusion I came to at the end of the movie. In both movies, agent smith says "afterall, he is only human". How can a human (neo) stop the whatchyamacallit's?

After only seeing the movie once so far, I believe (like others have posted so far) that Zion was created, for those who resisted (the 1%) the first Matrix.

And why are the Sentinels trying to attack zion? It's to make the humans (the 1%) believe that they are in the real world. The machines are still in control them.

As for my thoughts on the movie ... well, as a movie, I preferred #1. Even tho' #2 had some amazing special fx, and fight scenes, the scenes were way too long (the Zion "rave" & trinity/neo, the court yard battle, which was amazing, considering it was all 100% CGI, except when they were first talking, but way to long ... why didn't he just leave earlier?).

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