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trustno1
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posted 12-12-2000 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Oscar-winning screenwriter of "The Usual Suspects" will direct a big-budget biopic of ancient conquerer Alexander the Great. This is the place to talk about the production.

For all the latest "Alexander" news, visit our Spotlight Page.

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vincetex
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posted 07-04-2001 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vincetex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The big, burning question is: Who's going to play the lead? I'm a graduate student in Classical Studies / Classical History, and I know that Alexander was a complex character -- meaning, he did some not-so-nice things. The audience needs a powerhouse charismatic figure because the audience has to "stick" with Alexander even through his mistakes -- mistakes that cost the lives of thousands.

I think Jude Law would do a good job: Alexander was sexually ambiguous -- he was most likely homosexual. And, though he was the leader of "rough" Macedonians, he was a royal and was cultured.

Of course, he was an extremely complex person. This is going to be a tough call for Scott / DeLaurentis.

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Wolfie
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posted 07-05-2001 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wolfie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
two words

Robert DeNiro

nuff said

W~

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CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN?!

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trustno1
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posted 07-05-2001 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trustno1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wolfie, DeNiro 20 years ago would have worked, but he's way too old to play a guy who conquered most of the then-known world by his early 30s.

Then again, there's always computer graphics

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Cheryl
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posted 07-27-2002 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheryl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I had anything to say about it, I would think Orlando Bloom (the sexy elf from the Lord of the Rings) would make a fantastic Alexander. And, he's only 25!!!

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amb
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posted 08-29-2002 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm looking for the alexander the great screenplay, penned by peter buchman. i've read good reviews on it, but can't find it - anyone come across it?
thanks, amb

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Richard Brown
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posted 09-09-2002 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the key element in any film about Alexander is the way in which the Persians are portrayed. Darius must be shown to be the King of a great empire that is weaker that it realises.
The Persians underestimated the Greeks. If Darius had listened to Parmenon?, Alexander would never have conquered his empire.

My own opinion of Alexander is this: he was mad, bad and dangerous to know!!!

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Andrew
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posted 10-21-2002 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andrew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Additional problems with making Alexander likable is the fact that he is disliked by the descendants of the Persians. ("nearly all of the mideast nations")How do you make someone like that a hero? He was driven to avenge the Greeks, but assigned the Persian satraps in charge of most of the cities he had conquered. He must have viewed the Persians as absolute in the rule of their kingdom. Therefore he wanted each state to rule itself, but have loyalty to "his" empire.

I would love to get my hands on the script.

Any word on the production of the film?

I would say he was obsessed... not mad. Dangerous, yes!
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mgribler
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posted 10-21-2002 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mgribler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vincetex:
The big, burning question is: Who's going to play the lead? I'm a graduate student in Classical Studies / Classical History, and I know that Alexander was a complex character -- meaning, he did some not-so-nice things. The audience needs a powerhouse charismatic figure because the audience has to "stick" with Alexander even through his mistakes -- mistakes that cost the lives of thousands.

I think Jude Law would do a good job: Alexander was sexually ambiguous -- he was most likely homosexual. And, though he was the leader of "rough" Macedonians, he was a royal and was cultured.

Of course, he was an extremely complex person. This is going to be a tough call for Scott / DeLaurentis.


When we reach back into the past we must understand that homosexuality was not viewed or understood in the same way in Ancient Greece as it is today. Alexander was not a homosexual in the sense that you would see now but a person who was "driven". He was cfar more driven by his own (massive) sel esteem and his sense of honour. He felt that he was launching a war of revenge on the Persians for their invasion of 150 years earlier.

He was one of the most complex characters that the Ancient world knew. Educated by one of the worlds first and greatest philosophers (imagine Stephen Hawking or Einstein as your tutor) but without the prejudice against non Greeks that the Macedonians shared.

FAR MORE WORRYING would be Alexander's megalomania and serious belief that he was a god. Also the growing antagonism between Alexander and his Macedonians over this issue and his reward of the Persians (unjustly as they would have it).

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mgribler
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posted 10-21-2002 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mgribler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trustno1:
The Oscar-winning screenwriter of "The Usual Suspects" will direct a big-budget biopic of ancient conquerer Alexander the Great. This is the place to talk about the production.

For all the latest "Alexander" news, visit our Spotlight Page.


One of the problems in portraying someone rom another era is to make him "relevant" to the modern world. People like Alexander have NO modern parallels and cannot be understood by modern people and teenagers. Why did he set out to conquer Persia with relatively few troops. Why did he think he was a god. Why did he lead his men with reckless bravery. Why did he not live long enough to pass on the succession and when laying dying he was asked who should inherit the empire the reply was "to the strongest".
It would be impossible to make Alexander sympathetic in the sense that he was a ruthless conquerer that "liberated" no-one but made the ancient world aware of the superiority of the Greek culture. he was also seduced by despotism and became uncomfortable about the lack of deference that his companions showed him (eventually killing his friend Cleitus in a drunken brawl after he had been called inferior to his father "Philip faught men - you fight women").

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Pelasgian
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posted 12-12-2002 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pelasgian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even saying I am looking foreward to seeing this film, I know right from the beggining I will be dissapointed.

I don't mean in filmmaking terms, I mean in factual terms.

Alexanders biggest anemies were Persians and Greeks. Only at one point writes Arrian in his "The campains of Alexander" there were 30 000 Greek mercenaries in Persian side fighting Alexander.

Alexander was Macedonian, and Greeks were his bitter anemies at all times. Greeks trully believed that the Great Persia would simply walk over Alexander. They were so wronge.

Anyway, have fun!

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CHRISTOS
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posted 02-23-2003 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CHRISTOS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
www.ALEXANDERTHEGREATMOVIE.com

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fat bastard
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posted 02-27-2003 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fat bastard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not sure what you mean by "Greeks being his worst enemies"? First of all, by definition, the term Greeks referred to all Greek-Speaking races, regardless of location (as opposed to "barbarians" who were speaking jiberish - bar bar). Furthermore, lets not forget that out of the 10,000 troops he had with him when he begun his campaign, 3000 derived from other Greek cities.

In his 15years as a king (and emperor) he only fought 1 year against Greeks (the Thebes) and won convincingly. Most Greek city-states were fighting each other for the past 3 centuries and immediately backed him up due to their wish to take revenge upon the Persians for the 2 Hellenic-Persian wars. And true, his mother was Illerian (geographically coinciding with modern Albania) but she also spoke Greek and was raised with the Macedonian-Greek culture.

Thats exactly what I am worried about. Stone is known to seek causing a buzz via controversiality. He knows that by presenting Alexander as a queer (in contrast to the ancient Greek mentality of "filia" which was the rule rather than the exception) and as a Slav (based on what?), he will cause massive reactions and, hence, promote his film for free.

Furthermore, I was (sadly) informed that he petitioned for a grant & support from the Greek ministry of culture, IF he was to present Alexander as a Greek. When the (thick) officials refused to provide him with assistance, he decided to go ahead with the Slavic version (lobbied by Skopje expatriots). Fair enough, I just hope Hollywood doesnt manage to screw up this one Hercules-style.

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sam.trip
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posted 06-27-2003 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam.trip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pelasgian:
Even saying I am looking foreward to seeing this film, I know right from the beggining I will be dissapointed.

I don't mean in filmmaking terms, I mean in factual terms.

Alexanders biggest anemies were Persians and Greeks. Only at one point writes Arrian in his "The campains of Alexander" there were 30 000 Greek mercenaries in Persian side fighting Alexander.

Alexander was Macedonian, and Greeks were his bitter anemies at all times. Greeks trully believed that the Great Persia would simply walk over Alexander. They were so wronge.

Anyway, have fun!


The Greeks were not Alexander's bitter enemy, being Macedonian meant that he was Greek, his father Philip and himself were both the commanders of the union of Greek states against Persia. Alexander did feel slight resentment against the intellectually superior Athenians who saw him as a barbarian . However It is true that Alexander is controversial in terms of character. Despite being the first of the fifty people in history to earn the "great" moniker historians do debate as to whether he is a hero or not. Personally I feel that Alexander is a deeply heroic figure, feared by his enemies, loved by his men, admired by contempories, he spent his life trying to emulate the likes of his supposed ancestors, Herakles and Akhilles, and in doing so had the short glorious life that adds romantic heroism to his legend. He was a fearless warrior, he lead from the front, a great commander and prodigious in most ways, even his horse, Bucephelous was famous. There is no space for his like in society today whether you see him as a conqueror or unifier , but he is possibly the most famous and enigmatic of antiquity's heroes. By the way Arrian's history of Alexander is not a very reliable source.

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Locke
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posted 07-15-2003 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Locke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alexander was a great leader, ruler, but the fact of the matter is that he burned out young. If he hadn't had died so young how much of the world would now be called Alexandria. Or Bucephelous after his horse. Was it his ambition that caused him to die so young. If he hadn't spent years fighting and conquering trying to be a king even greater then his father, would he have died so young. If he hadn't so much ambition would he such a hero or just someone barely talked about in the history books. There will never be another Alexander, the world wouldn't have it. An 18 year old, alcholic, bi-sexual general. NO. But there might be able for someone to come close. The very thing that Alexander so popular, dressing and acting like the people he conquered. As they say the highest form of flattery is to copy somone. If for example some one from the U.S. were to get into a power of Authority in China, imagine the doors it would open. Alexander burned out young but his dream of becoming the most powerful man in the world, lives on.

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Tony_k55
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posted 09-24-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tony_k55     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear "fat bastard" - I liked your reply and I'm getting quite concerned about the Alexander films. If you want to see why I'm concerned please check as a typical example, this absurd website:
http://historyofmacedonia.org/

I feel sad that the people of skopje (vardar) have been brainwashed for over 50 years (Stalin-Tito-Dimitrov plan) and are attempting to take ownership of another people's history as their own identity (ancient Macedonia wasn't even in the region of their ex-yugoslav state!).

Being British this is like renaming Calais, Stratford-upon-Avon and hence saying Shakespeare is French!!

Please can you send me an email tony_k55@yahoo.co.uk with your thoughts?

Many thanks.

quote:
Originally posted by fat bastard:
I am not sure what you mean by "Greeks being his worst enemies"? First of all, by definition, the term Greeks referred to all Greek-Speaking races, regardless of location (as opposed to "barbarians" who were speaking jiberish - bar bar). Furthermore, lets not forget that out of the 10,000 troops he had with him when he begun his campaign, 3000 derived from other Greek cities.

In his 15years as a king (and emperor) he only fought 1 year against Greeks (the Thebes) and won convincingly. Most Greek city-states were fighting each other for the past 3 centuries and immediately backed him up due to their wish to take revenge upon the Persians for the 2 Hellenic-Persian wars. And true, his mother was Illerian (geographically coinciding with modern Albania) but she also spoke Greek and was raised with the Macedonian-Greek culture.

Thats exactly what I am worried about. Stone is known to seek causing a buzz via controversiality. He knows that by presenting Alexander as a queer (in contrast to the ancient Greek mentality of "filia" which was the rule rather than the exception) and as a Slav (based on what?), he will cause massive reactions and, hence, promote his film for free.

Furthermore, I was (sadly) informed that he petitioned for a grant & support from the Greek ministry of culture, IF he was to present Alexander as a Greek. When the (thick) officials refused to provide him with assistance, he decided to go ahead with the Slavic version (lobbied by Skopje expatriots). Fair enough, I just hope Hollywood doesnt manage to screw up this one Hercules-style.


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Astibus
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posted 09-29-2003 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astibus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tony as you know there are always 2 sides to history, you say that "skopians" were brainwashed by the Communists,making the implication that this was a ploy devised by the latter to gain the whole of the balkan peninsula.
You mention a plan The TITO-STALIN-DIMITROV plan(whatever that is) such a plan could never exist it would be self defeating for the Bulgarians to promote a Macedonian ethnicity since they were and still are claiming that "Macedonians" "Skopians" call them whatever you want are nothing but Western Bulgarians.
I Suggest you read into the history of the region a little more,there were people dying for Macedonia before Tito or Stalin were even born.
You also claim that FYROM "vardar" as you so lovingly call it wasnt even in ancient Macedonia.
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Really?
Around the city of Bitola there are ruins,these ruins were built by a man named PHILIP.
There are rumours that Alexander himself had a palace near the city of Veles, i wonder how this would shape the minds of modern historians if it were found within FYROM.

I am Macedonian,My Family comes from the city of Voden which is now called Edessa.We didnt have Tito feeding us and tecahing us we had Greeks telling us that we were greeks who'd been slavified and now we had to be helenized again,but this was BULLSHIT we knew what we were and proclaimed it fully and still do.

Macedonia was never ruled by Greeks,not until 1913,this is a fact and if your going to say the byzantines were greek ill puke.
ROMANS not GREEKS

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mitsos
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posted 01-25-2005 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mitsos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

You,Astibus,either you do not speak the slightest bit of the greek language,either you deliberately lie.PHILIP is a greek name.It derives from the words PHILOS(friend)+IPPOS(horse) hence PHILIP,friend of horses,he who loves horses.And this name is not the only one that is greek.ALEXANDER is also Greek.It comes from the the words ALEKO(to defend)+ANDRAS(man) hence ALEXANDER,defender of men.In fact ALL of the macedonians had greek names.
How come all these non-greeks had greek names and spoke greek?I guess that's another conspiracy of the greeks trying to steal the history of macedonians.

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