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Lost: Ben's magic box... fantasy, reality, delusion... or weird science ?

Creepy Ben told Locke that there is a magic box on the island that manifests anything a person wishes and voila, there's evil Cooper, gagged and bound right in front of Locke's eyes.

Did Ben have Cooper ready for Locke's arrival? Did Locke dream him up for capture or has Cooper been on the island for a long time?

And, most importantly, if the box is real... how do I get one?

Posted by on March 26, 2007 4:10 PM |

I think Ben probably had Sylar eat Walt's brain and now Primatech/Dahrma has Sylar locked up on the island and he just conjures stuff up at will.

"What's in the box? What's in the F---ING BOX!?!?!?!?!?!?"
--Brad Pitt, "Seven"

#1. Posted by: Rob at March 26, 2007 4:50 PM

I want one too

#2. Posted by: Phil at March 26, 2007 4:56 PM

Dude! Walt.... I bet HE had something to do with this...

There was a theory that Walt could manifest things at will... will that play into it?

#3. Posted by: CorrosionX at March 26, 2007 5:26 PM

Jack is in the box! why ask wiki..

Jack-in-the-Box is a fictional character in the comic book series Astro City. Created by writer Kurt Busiek and artists Brent Anderson and Alex Ross, Jack-in-the-Box is a prominent superhero of Astro City, rather in the vein of Spider-Man and the Creeper. He is motivated by a powerful desire for justice based on his own family history, a strong sense of responsibility to society based on his expertise and capabilities, and the sheer enjoyment of being a superhero. A conflicting sense of responsibility to his own family, however, combine with reminders of his own mortality to make him question his superheroic mission.

#4. Posted by: namaste at March 26, 2007 6:28 PM

here are my thoughts on common theories:

"box" as an actuality - this means that everything the losties ever could want is in their hands! Of course this would mean that the others/hostiles/crazy people would have been able to blink their own kids there instead of stealing those of innocent french women and cute australian blondes.

"box" as the submarine - i think it's very improbable that the box could be the submarine considering it was incapable of transportation back and forth after the hatch imploded....or so they say.

"box" as a fantasy - if the box is actually not real, then how the heck did cooper appear in the cell?

"box" as a delusion - everyone has gone crazy. well hey, we already knew that.

"box" as a weird science - the most probable of them all, considering we have witnessed even weirder things such as a smoke monster that travels through the jungle reaking havack and killing creepy eyed jungle priests, a clicking machine that pulls men into holes and is only destructable by dynamite, random hatches, and let's not forget, ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCES THAT CAUSE THE SKY TO TURN PURPLE, AND CRASH PLANES DOWN TO THE EARTH.

those are my thoughts!!

#5. Posted by: LOST_junkie at March 26, 2007 9:39 PM

Maybe Jacob "Him" actually controls the box and that one of his many abilities is fulfilling wishes of those that he favors (as long as they don't wish to be off the island)

#6. Posted by: mylostshow at March 27, 2007 8:42 AM

If I had a magic box I would wish for another magic box.

#7. Posted by: bcre8ve at March 27, 2007 8:46 AM

Metaphor.... 'box' is the easiest way Ben could think of to explain a weird science that he doesn't really understand himself, but he's figuring or has figured out how to use. Sort of like 'the force' except I'm pretty sure Yoda understood it and didn't just hijack it for his own use.

#8. Posted by: Helen at March 27, 2007 8:55 AM

I agree with Helen...Ben said he was describing 'it' in a way Locke could understand. 'It' may be 'magic' but I don't think it's box, but whatever 'it' is Locke seems to be able to control it better than Ben.

I also don't think Locke summoned his father, because of Ben's statement earlier in the episode ('bring me the man from Tallahassee').

Will be interesting to see where this goes.

#9. Posted by: Zizzy at March 27, 2007 9:25 AM

The box is also reminiscent of a device featured in the novel "The Third Policeman," which has figured largely in explanations for things in the series. It served exactly the same purpose in TTP as it does on "Lost," except that the people in possession of the device in the novel used it to do things like boil eggs perfectly. But it's the same idea.

#10. Posted by: Krissy at March 27, 2007 9:47 AM

If all of my wildest dreams came true, the magic box would have something to do with Kate....get it?!?
I'm lonely.

#11. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 27, 2007 10:30 AM

Witty, funny...yet sad!! LOL!

@ All bloggers:
The "magic" is what keeps me coming back week after week, YEAR after YEAR, to this amazing bit of pop culture. I love joining in this forum to discuss theories and throw around ideas, but truth be told I'd rather just watch the mystery unfold and enjoy the ride!

#12. Posted by: Sillygirl0630 at March 27, 2007 1:14 PM

I'm one of the ones holding out for a rational explanation for everything. So I'm hoping this is a metaphor. Ben does start out by saying "Suppose you had a magic box..."

#13. Posted by: Cecil Rose at March 27, 2007 1:51 PM

I think the box was definitely a metaphor, but for what I've no idea. I know this is a bit of a stretch but is it possible the box actually refers to Smokey AND that Smokey is Richard Alpert. We know Smokey can appear in various forms, including humans. We know the wish-fulfillment angle isn't restricted to the island itself ala Juliet's hit-by-a-bus ex. Ben turns to Richard and tells him to "Bring me the man from Tallahassee". Richard is also the only link to Juliet stateside. Again, a bit of a stretch, but...

#14. Posted by: Dr. Bologna at March 27, 2007 2:33 PM

@ lost_me: Congratulations! Great first question for your forum. Glad mac has you running this. As to the question - what is Ben's box - I say it's the island itself. Some people "have it" and some don't when it comes to the island fulfilling their desires. Speaking of desires, seems like Sawyer and Kate got theirs! Think they wished for it? Kate's flashback showed us the black horse; the island showed her the black horse. Walt was reading comic book with a polar bear; island produces a polar bear - but wait... why were there already bear cages on the other island. All I'm trying to say is I think if you have "it" the island will produce it. Dharma was there trying to find out how to harness this power and part of that was finding people that had this unique capability, whether they knew it or not. my head hurts... Great job again lost_me. Looking forward to your next question.

#15. Posted by: BunnyLover at March 27, 2007 5:36 PM

Is the box from Locke's box company?

Is there a Locke on the box to keep anyone from getting into it?

Can we cross over into other shows for our box wishes? I think I'd rather the box had to do with Eva Longoria than Kate. I guess as long as it isn't Rousseau I'll be ok with it!

#16. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 28, 2007 8:59 AM

Hopefully it isn't really Ben's magic box! Geez Red__Neck--Why'd you drag my mind down in the gutter like that?

Need to go chant and purge my mind of this nastiness!

#17. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at March 28, 2007 9:01 AM

here's a crazy idea..not that i necessarily subscribe to it myself but, along the lines of things the losties read manifesting in real life as suggested by "BunnyLover"..then we could take it a step farther and suppose that ALL the books read on the island are being made real life on the island. Hence the relation of the novels read by the losties, and possibly the others, to their current circumstances.

#18. Posted by: kilorooster at March 28, 2007 9:58 AM

@Crispy Seaplanes - LOL...couldn't help it. And I agree, Rousseau's box is certainly after 16yrs, UN-magical.

On a serious note, it could be Ali Larter or Sarah Tancretti? Right?

#19. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 28, 2007 10:41 AM

@lost_me - thanks for taking this on. We appreciate it. If you can see my e-mail drop me a line. I've got a nice question for next week.

Keep it up ya'll.

#20. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at March 28, 2007 10:52 AM

red... neck... man...

I will send you an email to get your idea for next week's question. If anyone else has any burning questions, please let me know in the comments section and I will send you an email to get your idea.

Thanks for all the comments so far.

Coming up with creative questions is more challenging than I thought it would be! :)

#21. Posted by: lost_me at March 28, 2007 11:25 AM

@Lost Me: thanks for taking the initiative with the forum questions. All of us Lsot-obsessed apprecaite it!

@ everyone: In the recent ABC Lost podcsat, the prodcuers of the show sa y that the"box", as Ben explained it to Locke is a metaphor. Not an actual (physical) box. Damon says that Ben was putting it into terms Locke could understand. "It would be silly for there to actually be a box," says Damon. According to the podcast, the box "stuff" will become clearer the next time they pick up the storyline. Which, I am afraid to say is not supposed to be for several episodes.

Cheers everyone! Enjoy tonight.

#22. Posted by: GatorGal at March 28, 2007 3:53 PM


It is my pleasure.


#23. Posted by: lost_me at March 28, 2007 4:18 PM

Yeah, I heard from some article that had interviewed the Producers and they said that it wasn't a real "box", but did they give us what it actually was? No! Of course not! I'm not really sure what it is, but I don't think Locke's father came out of the "box" since that would have been Loke's wish not Ben's. and Ben asked for the man from Tallahassee.

@ lost_me (This is kinda a joke, kinda not...I do want to know though!)
I have a question for this week's discussion. It's been one that's been bugging me for most of this season. How the hell did Claire get a completely new hairstlye (i.e. the bangs) when she's been stranded on the island for freaking 80 days?! What did she stroll on over to Otherville and visit the barbershop?

#24. Posted by: lost_fugitive at March 28, 2007 7:57 PM

surely they have a pair of scissors, is that really the mystery of LOST that is bugging you?

#25. Posted by: kilorooster at March 28, 2007 9:05 PM

@lost fugitive: Yes, it was made clear in an earlier episode that there are scissors in the Lostaways' possession. Kate cut Sawyer's hair on the beach.

#26. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at March 28, 2007 11:43 PM

Has anyone commented on the name Richard Alpert? An associate of Timothy Leary who later became Baba Ram Dass. Preached the harmony of all peoples and religions.

#27. Posted by: calv1n at March 29, 2007 8:39 AM

@ kilorooster & Alais_Longthought

No that isn't the question that is truly burning me up about just happens to be one that might have a chance of actually getting answered ;)

Some of my real questions are: Are there two separate groups of Others (one good & one bad)? Did Michael & Walt actually find rescue? How come birds were able to migrate to the Island but nobody else can come & go (or did they come to the Island on accident)? What is the smoke monster & why is it only nice to some people?

#28. Posted by: lost_fugitive at March 29, 2007 8:20 PM

How about Pandora's box...According to the myth, Pandora opened a container releasing all the evils of mankind—greed, vanity, slander, envy, pining—leaving only hope inside once she had closed it again...

I went back to the key points of season one and remember what Leonard said to Hurley when he told him he used the nubers to win the lottery: "You shouldn't have done that!" Lenny screams. "You've opened the box! You've gotta get away from those numbers!"

It's just a theory but as a metaphor it seems to fit the bill

#29. Posted by: Prosecutor67 at March 31, 2007 6:42 PM

to bunny lover, yes your comment is the best i've read in any forum on theory on lost island, yes i'm thinking the same, vivement the next episode.

#30. Posted by: Renée Ferland at April 3, 2007 9:12 PM

The magic box is the TV or a computer. "...there is a magic box on the island that manifests anything a person wishes and voila..."

#31. Posted by: Kid at April 4, 2007 3:31 PM

Don't let yourselfs get fooled by Ben!!

#32. Posted by: Leo at April 21, 2007 7:21 PM

The whole premise for 'Lost', could be that the plane survivors are in an artificial reality type computer program(John Locke's & Jacob's dislike of modern technology may be leading them to the truth of exiting the artificial reality mind program that everyone is experiencing on the island). This could explain why visions of dead people and whispering voices are heard at different times in the jungle. These are the voices & appearances of those in the real world overseeing the plane crash survivor participants artificial reality game/experiment/escape from reality, that they all are either voluntarily or involuntarily partaking in. Remember the movies 'eXistenZ', and 'Total Recall', in the first movie the virtual reality participants had completely new identities and past lives created, and in the second Arnold Schwarzenegger's character chose what type of adventure he wanted to have. Also a few episodes of the English comedy 'Red Dwalf' deal with the programs characters waking up from their Red Dwalf artificial reality game to discover they were supposedly different people to who they believed they were. Another episode of Red Dwalf deals with the characters knowingly entering an virtual reality game together; Where upon all their wishes are realized, however what was different from a Star Trek holodeck experience, they discovered that all of their secret, dark desires of failure and self loathing, came true in their experience in the artificial game.
One thing that could point toward this is the requirement by the 'others' when Juliet first entered the submarine to get to the island location, to be drug injected, and sleep to get to the 'Wizard of Oz'-fantasy Island-'The plane, the plane, I see the plane arriving-Mr. Roarke(Ben)-the mysterious host of the Island, making all your wildest fantasies come true, which you only realise has happened when you reach the climatic end of the Island game. Also at the end of the 'Wizard of Oz', all the characters only realized at the end of their journey, they had achieved through their own hard exeriences what they all wished for the most.
Also when Locke accompanied Kate, Sayid and Rousseau on a mission to find and rescue Jack. The group came across a DHARMA Initiative station called the Flame, and a man inside with an eye patch. The man identified himself as Mikhail Bakunin, and claimed to be the last living member of the DHARMA Initiative, but he was soon discovered to be one of the Others. When the gunfight ensued, the 'Other' black lady demanded that eye patch Mikhail shoot and kill her. Why did this other lady demand eye patch man to do this and not be overly worried about her own death? No doubt she was fully aware that they are 'all' participants in a virtual reality type computer game, and at that point she wanted out of the game, and the only quick and easy way to exit the game is to be physically killed within the game. This would also explain why eye-patch man Mikhail was obviously definitely kill when Locke pushed him between two barrier pylons and he was subsequently killed by a sonic weapon. Then low and behold patch-man soon after is found running through the forrest and stumbling onto some of the plane survivors, eye-patch man obviously decided he wanted to re-enter the virtual reality game, or maybe he was allowed to re-enter the game because Locke was breaking the rules of the game somehow. The question is, is their only 'one' winner to this 'LOST' game, and he who discovers all of the secrets, or the one big main secret, wins all of the 1 million dollar prize.

Another idea is that 'LOST' refers to one of the lost tribes of Israel(Jacob), who possibly took with them the magical 'Box'-the Ark of the Covenant. Also 'smokey' could be the presense of the 'Angel of Death' that went thoughtout Egypt killing the first born children, as shown in the bibles book of Exodus.
"The phrase Ten LOST Tribes of Israel(Jacob) refers to the ancient Tribes of Israel that disappeared from the Biblical account after the Kingdom of Israel was totally destroyed, enslaved and exiled by ancient Assyria. Many groups of Jews have doctrines concerning the continued hidden existence or future public return of these tribes."

"go to Jeremiah 31. This chapter is about those Lost Tribes, The "isles(Islands) afar off"-is where it makes reference that they went too.

Also the soon to be erupting volcano theme, ties in with God's revealed presense on top of Mount Zion, his appearance resembled an erupting volcano, with all the ground rumblings and flashes of lightening, as also shown in the bibles book of Exodus.

#33. Posted by: Keith Michaels at May 12, 2007 6:51 PM

Hi i love lost and i have found a mistake in lost season 3. When dat woman gets shot by sun she dies wen they get bk 2 the others but wen they hve the funeral for her were they al dressed in white u cn see a realy big boat in da bakgrnd but i stil love it

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#36. Posted by: job vacancies at January 4, 2008 4:21 PM

In the Russian film "S-T-A-L-K-E-R" three men venture into a sealed area, "the zone" ,to see a room that will bring wishes and thoughts to life. The phenomenon is partly explained by magnetic anomalies. How can people not have picked up on this? The same director also made the first version of "Solaris", and I'm sure I don't need to tell you the plot of that film. And then of course there is the novel "Roadside Picnic".

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