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Lost: Dude! Whose side are you on?

It seems that every week, we posters are given new reasons to speculate as to the intentions of our beloved Losties. Who's working for Dharma? Which side is Jack playing, or is he? Did Locke join up with the Others? Some other recent favs are Hurley, Desmond, and even Kate! Let everyone know your thoughts. Tell the blog your latest theory as to who's good, and who's bad, and of course...Why?

It's going to be pretty amazing when Bernard is unveiled as Jacob ;)

#1. Posted by: mac at April 30, 2007 7:17 PM

Angelina Jolie - HOT
Linsay Lohan - NOT
D.C. Madam - HOT
Half of Washington - CAUGHT
Tenet - HOT
Wolfowitz - NOT
Condi - HOT
Gonza . . .

O wait . . .wrong list!

Sorry, this was for my “Inside the Senate” Blog . . .

#2. Posted by: davidrh at April 30, 2007 8:26 PM

I hope that the season finale wont be a complete cliffhanger, I don't want to have to wait till possibly January for new episodes!

#3. Posted by: mclostie at April 30, 2007 8:58 PM

As a red-pencil-carrying member of the Punctuation Police, I have to point out that the title of the question should actually be "Dude! Whose Side Are You On?" "Who's" is a contraction of "who" & "is." ; )

As for the question...IMHO, if Hurley turns out to be working for Dharma, that would be a seriously big surprise to me, dude, & also a big disappointment. Hurley's been showing himself to be the moral conscience of the group & I would hate to have that exploded.

Locke may be in league w/Ben's Others, at least for the time being, but he's so focused on his inner vision of what the island is that his allegiance to any group—Others, Lostaways, etc.—is questionable.

****************POTENTIAL SPOILER****************

If it turns out that Locke is trying to get Sawyer to kill Cooper, I'll be REALLY disappointed. Is that the mark of a good person, to coerce someone else into doing your killing for you? I don't think so...


#4. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 30, 2007 9:34 PM

The undercover Other = Rose

And if Jacob were a woman, she’d be Danielle Rousseau.

Girl power!

#5. Posted by: Clementine at April 30, 2007 10:10 PM

@ Alaïs_Longthought/#4: Thanks. I submit to the PP's rendering. Course Correction has taken place!

#6. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at April 30, 2007 10:38 PM

Sorry, RedNeckMan, we haven’t been playing the game right, have we? The problem with this question is . . the perimeters are always changing every time we have a new episode. Some of the Losties allegiances are obvious and some are - at least, at this point - vague and vaporous, depending on the whim of the writers.

So, in no apparent order, here’s my read on da’players:

Sun - She’s on Jin’s side.

Jin - He’s on Sun’s side and obviously from last weeks demonstration, he’s also a very good friend with Chuck Norris and David Carridine. “Take THAT, Grasshopper!”

Des - He’s on Penny’s side and always will be, no matter the situation.

Claire - is blond and obviously thinks she’s lost on an island somewhere.

Charlie - is on the side of “General Chaos” and “Major Irritation”.

Kate - reeeealy wants to be on Jack’s side, but seems to have lost her top billing somewhere in the middle of season two . .

Jack - is either a hero or a heel. The jury’s out. It appears he’s trying to get a date for the prom by playing the field, thereby, by choosing the girl at the last minute, he doesn’t have to spring for the corsage . . . (ah, come on guys, we’ve all done it. You know - breaking up before the birthday and then making up in five days just to get out of that expensive dinner and gift thing . . )

Sawyer - He’s on Sawyer’s side. He’d like to be on Kate’s side. Actually, I think that because he’s always been on the “bad” side, he’d really like to be on the good guys side when it comes down to it. Even with all his name calling, I think he’s really, really on Hurley’s side.

Hurley - He’s on the side of community development and social consciousness. He’ll make a great President someday.

Nikki and Paulo - Wormfood side. But rich!

Rousseau - On the “Crazy as a Fox” side. Wildcard.

Rose - Always wanted to play Dorothy in the “Wizard of Oz”.

Bernard - Always wanted to play Dorothy in the “Wizard of Oz”.

Ben - Really really really on the DARK SIDE.

Tom - Faithful Sidekick of DARK SIDE BEN. Always wanted to play Dorothy in the “Wizard of Oz”.

Patchy - Mistakenly sent to island after Hurricane Katrina by FEMA.

Locke - MAN OF MYSTERY. He’ll come down on the good side, just wait and see!

Juliet - She’s bad . . . or good . . . no, she’s bad, I know it . . but then again, maybe she’s a prisoner also, so that makes her good . . . but she’s working for Ben, so bad, bad, bad . . . but if it’s against her will? . . good . . . no, bad . . . good? . . . . uuuuh, bad? , , kindof bad and good? . . . . O heck, I don’t know . . .

Vincent - Major player on the Lost Blooper Reel.

#7. Posted by: davidrh at April 30, 2007 11:33 PM

@RMN/#6: Thanks very editor's heart is much gratified!

@davidrh/#7: Wow, what a great list...especially Patchy. LOL!

#8. Posted by: Alaïs_Longthought at April 30, 2007 11:44 PM

@MAC... Bernard? Spoiler or Speculation?

"Dharma" roughly translated could mean "the proper way of living" or "living in accordance with higher truths". Found that interesting....

#9. Posted by: R at May 1, 2007 10:18 AM

Sorry, I guess Bernard was a joke... Too slow, not enough coffee yet for me today!

#10. Posted by: R at May 1, 2007 10:22 AM

Ok, not to go off the topic or anything, but how about a list of Good and Bad? The writers seem to set up this dichotomy often and it's a major theme. So here's my list:

Sun - We thought she was totally Good, but last week's epi makes her look at least slightly Bad. She did threaten to kill Jin's mom if she ever shows her face again. I think she's mostly Good.

Jin - Mostly Bad--because he's killed people (right?). And he was mean to Sun in the first part of season 1.

Des - I have to say he's Good. Even though he killed Kelvin, it was clearly an accident. We don't have any other reason to think he's Bad.

Claire - is Good. She hasn't killed anyone (and haven't we all wished our moms would die when we were teenagers?).

Charlie - Did he kill anyone? Can't remember, but certainly not in his life before the Island. Does being a herion addict mean you're Bad? I say he's Good.

Kate - is a very Bad girl. She coldbloodedly killed her father and then did anything and everything to stay out of jail--even drugging her own fiance.

Jack - is Good. He's never killed anyone--even when he should have killed Ben.

Sawyer - is very Bad. He's broken hearts and killed a guy and who knows what else. He tries to be Good, but he can't.

Hurley - is so Good it kills me.

Nikki and Paulo - are very Bad and should be eating dirt.

Rousseau - Does attempted murder count? She could kill anyone with her deadly booby traps all over the Island. She's a big question mark.

Rose - We really don't know very much about her, but what we do know makes her Good. Wouldn't it be great though if she turned out to be really, really Bad?

Bernard - is Good, but very whiny.

Ben - Has he, himself, actually killed someone? Does manipulation of Others to do your killing for you count? I say yes. Ben is Baaaaaaaaaaaadddddd.

Tom - Not sure, I don't think he has actually killed anyone and he seems like kind of a nice guy. But, he is an Other. Are they all Bad? Jury's out on this one.

Patchy - seems Bad what with the Russian accent and all. But like Tom, has he killed anyone? We don't know enough about him yet.

Locke - is Good. He may do stupid things but they usually don't kill anyone.

Juliet - is very, very Bad. She killed Danny in cold blood. Just because she says she hates Ben doesn't get her off the hook.

Sayid - is Bad. Sorry Sayid, you're awful cute and all, but you killed and tortured people.

Can't think of anyone else who isn't either already dead or off the Island. Feedback always welcome.


#11. Posted by: En Provence at May 1, 2007 12:15 PM

it would not surprise me at all if Hurley turns out to be much more involved in the others than we thought.

First: Is the only one aware of the numbers and their significance

Second: "Accidently" shot off that flare which "accidently" summoned patchy. all performed under the "Sorry guys! I'm wacky Hurley and always messing things up! Buh der der!"

Third: Was relesaed by the others at end of season two without a scratch. (is he Jacob?)

Fourth: sure is knowledgeable about that satellite phone

Fifth: is the only person on the island that is universally liked. he is always involved in everyone elses business and probably knows more about any plans the losties have than anyone else because he talks to everyone.

flame it.

#12. Posted by: brian at May 1, 2007 12:20 PM

Hey Red,

Congrats on your questions section ! ! !

I see the split going this way:

Jack's Side - Hurley, Jin, Sun, Claire, Aaron, Vincent, The "Frogurt" guy, and Rose.

Sawyer's Side - Kate, Sayid, Charlie, Bernard, Desmond, Naomi and Karl.

No funny anecdotes to go with my choices. Basically I just picked them randomly from a hat.

#13. Posted by: Mr. Grimm at May 1, 2007 1:04 PM

@ davidrh #7 - Dude! You're whole post was hilarious. (And by-the-way, I've always wanted to play Dorothy in the “Wizard of Oz” too... does that make me gay? No, wait - I'm a woman so that's okay - whew!)

@ En Provence #11 - Enjoyed your good/bad references but I kinda disagree on some of them. You asked
"Charlie - Did he kill anyone?" Yes, he did. He killed Ethan.

I can't help wondering if this island turns out to be (in a galacy far, far away) the training camp for the "dark side of the force." Perhaps the offspring of Kate and Sawyer will be Luke Skywalker or Hans Solo?

"May the force be with you..."

#14. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 1, 2007 2:09 PM

@ Mr. Grimm: Thanks buddy. Happy to add something extra that can fuel a little more discussion.

@ BunnyLover: Ya, it's ok w/ me too. And I think you meant to type Hanso Solo...that'd be about right, right?

#15. Posted by: Red...Neck...Man at May 1, 2007 2:19 PM

The problem is, no one usually sees themselves as a "bad person". They might think they are a good person that did some bad things (because they were stupid in their youth (Charlie), they were in a impossible situation (Sun), it was for the better good (Kate), they were following orders (Sayid)...), or they may feel that the bad things weren't bad at all, once you know the whole story.

I hope we find out more about the Others and their "mission statement" in the Man Behind the Curtain, because they clearly think they are "good" (and Cindy seems to agree!), yet Goodwin killed the Canadian to keep his secret, Ethan tried to kill Charlie (assuming you buy that Claire's kidnapping was for her own good), and who knows what happened to poor Henry Gale!

As for Hurley...well I have no reason to believe he might have an ulterior motive, except that no one in this show is ever what they first appear. Maybe we've been let in on all of his big secrets already, but he's been pulling a few strings lately...

#16. Posted by: FenwayBen at May 1, 2007 3:23 PM

"Hanso Solo" - good one RNM!!

#17. Posted by: BunnyLover at May 1, 2007 4:06 PM

Sorry everyone, but who's the "Frogurt" Guy?

#18. Posted by: Krys at May 1, 2007 5:33 PM

Yo Randi!As far as we know Jin has not killed anybody.He was ordered to kill by Sun's father twice but both times chose an alternative route.Jin's a great guy!

#19. Posted by: HurleyBurley at May 1, 2007 10:29 PM

****Possible spoiler?****

Tom- Definitely on Jack's side. Just don't know if that makes him on the good side or bad side. Good side with bad intentions?

Dr. Marvin Candle- BAAAADDDD side. I mean, this guy is definitely Jacob.

#20. Posted by: Kingjon at May 2, 2007 8:15 AM

Revisiting my previous list (#7), I realized I left out one major player, Sayid. So:

Sayid - Tough Dude. I don't care whose side he's on as long as he's on MY SIDE!!!!!!!!

#21. Posted by: davidrh at May 2, 2007 8:45 AM

@11 En Provence said:

>Charlie - Did he kill anyone? Can't remember, but certainly not in his life before the Island. Does being a heroin addict mean you're Bad? I say he's Good.

As long as killing Ethan doesn't count.

#22. Posted by: Cecil Rose at May 2, 2007 9:06 AM

I'm intrigued by ideas of Hurley as an Other. It would be an interesting development. I think he is on the level though. Why would he have pointed out to Jack that Ethan wasn't on the manifest if he was with the Others?

#23. Posted by: Crispy Seaplanes at May 2, 2007 1:12 PM

@ Crispy-

Hurley would point out Ethan didn't belong on the plane for the same reason Goodwin tried to funnel doubt onto Nathan during 48 Days Later- To keep himself from looking suspicious!

I personally don't think Hurley will turn out to be a Mole, but if any of our Losties do, I think he stands a better chance than some of the others.

#24. Posted by: sarah c at May 2, 2007 3:53 PM

But how was Hurley to know they'd crash on the island? We saw him just barely make the plane in Sydney. Unless they converted him after the crash......

#25. Posted by: irish76 at May 2, 2007 8:46 PM

Does anyone know What was the name of the book that Benry was reading before Locke approached him then Benry quickly hid it?
If anyone remembers Id love to hear it.

#26. Posted by: mapache at May 3, 2007 10:05 AM

@mapache... I didn't think it was a book, I thought he was listening to the tape recorder. Maybe there was a book too??

#27. Posted by: R at May 3, 2007 10:24 AM

#27 Thanks, and last nights episode yes it was a tape recorder, but when they take Locke to Benry the first time, Benry is reading a book.

#28. Posted by: mapache at May 3, 2007 10:28 AM

@ En Provence: Although I enjoyed your analysis of everyone's character, I don't necessarily agree that whether or not they've killed someone is the deciding factor on their goodness vs. evilness. A lot of times, it was either an accident (e.g. Desmond) or in self-defense (e.g. Charlie and Eko). And sometimes it was just cold-blooded murder (e.g. Kate). But, in Kate's mind she was doing what was best for her mother. And I'm sure in Ben or Sayid's mind they were doing what they had to do also. That's what I love about this show is that no one is one-dimensional. They all have their own cause and reasons behind it, and they are all following their own agenda according to the good of that cause.
If we had to choose a main antagonist, I would say Ben is the closest thing to evil (or the furthest thing from what we consider good, depending how you look at it). I think Juliette is inherently good, but is doing things to better her own cause, rather than what's in everyone else's best interest. Perhaps this should be broken down in "Us vs. Them" mode, rather than "Good vs. Bad."

Us: Hurley, Charlie, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer, Sun, Jin, Desmond, Rose, Bernard, Penny

Them: Ben, Tom, Richard, Mikhail, Naomi, Charles Widmore

Neutral: Rousseau, Locke

More Us than Them: Jack

More Them than Us: Juliette

Am I forgetting anyone? BTW, En Provence: Vous habitez en provence? :)

#29. Posted by: Trinity at May 3, 2007 11:25 AM

Hold on . . . let’s not have any secret talking in foreign languages here! . . .

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I know, I know . . Only little six-year-old girls with ringlets talk in "pig-latin" . .

#31. Posted by: davidrh at May 3, 2007 11:37 AM

@ davidrh: Sorry, I was just asking En Provence if he/she perchance lives in Provence, France, hence the name. And I never really cared for piglatin. Bobut Obi dobo lobove tobo spobeak OB! :)

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